I'ma a nigga that doesn't have a rocket launcher. Do you think niggas wit rocket launchers and niggas without launchers live together peacefully? I've aways been chill bout niggas wit rockets but sometimes I get jealous
knugeen · 422 points · Posted at 12:42:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
wtf is pansexual?
omfg,ripmyinbox
[deleted] · 92 points · Posted at 16:42:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
To be fair, though, I can see why some people make the distinction. I'm bisexual but only really interested in manly guys and extremely feminine women. Effeminate guys don't really do anything for me, same with butch women.
Sure, by definition they could mean the same thing, but "pansexual" gives a little more description and implies a more all-inclusive sexuality.
[deleted] · 111 points · Posted at 17:13:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yea but im a straight dude, that loves brunets, blonds are ok and overweight women dont do anything for me. Isn't it all just preference rather then a different sexuality?
If you want to create a community for that and name it then it 'counts'. It's just a term that people use to define themselves, mostly for their own benefit.
Some people really struggle with who or what traits they are attracted to, and so narrowing it down and defining it (in their own mind) makes it easier for them to reconcile and helps them to understand what makes them happy. Since they are defining themselves more specifically than most do, they tend to research and find communities, which is what creates these sort of definitions. It's similar to communities for 'rare' and specific fetishes like /r/holdthemoan or /r/Feet_NSFW do, except gender identity is something that's becoming less taboo to discuss in public.
Straight men who like blondes more than brunettes for instance don't tend to struggle to identify that or feel as alienated from the norm so it they don't really feel the need to define it further or create communities around that (though they still do, I'm sure reddit has some).
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:43:08 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I like this answer a lot. But can we then stop calling people bigots and transphobe's for finding this weird? I dont get called a bigot for thinking that Foot fetishes are disgusting and that i didnt put a guy with a foot fetishe in my film/video game, so why am i called a bigot if i think this shit is pointless and dumb?
It's an overreaction in response to a perceived (and somewhat justified) feeling of persecution.
Of course it's okay to disagree or find something weird. What isn't okay is to not take those feelings seriously and therefore discredit the other persons feelings.
i.e. Thinking trans people are weird is okay, marginalizing or trivializing their feelings is not.
It's the same for other things as well. By accusing anyone who points out statistical flaws in the black community of being racist, you shut down any dialogue to be had and close off the path towards solving those issues that disproportionately affect that community. Just the same, accusing someone of being homophobic or bigoted for personally disagreeing with gender identities closes off discussion and therefore any chance of reconciliation, understanding, or education.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:05:52 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I agree with everything you said. Today's society really wants to be seen as progressive to an extent that it's even doing a disservice to the communities they want (or just be seen like they want) to help. Im just glad this SJW movement didnt exist 5 years ago when i was a homophobe. I would have never changed my mind.
[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 17:36:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You are a brownsexual, embrace it. The blondsexual community won't be mad, I swear.
I can kind of understand that argument, but all words are all descriptors. Things are rarely cut and dry, especially when it comes to sexualities. You can be straight with bisexual tendencies, or straight "except I make out with girls when I get drunk," etc. We like to think of things like "bisexual" as all-encompassing terms, but the reality is sexuality runs on a spectrum and sometimes it makes more sense to use a different word that clarifies it better than the catch-all "bisexual."
That being said, you can argue on the validity of "pansexual" as a term in itself, but the existence of sexuality outside of straight/gay/bi makes some sense to me.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 19:31:12 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Sure i get what you are saying. It's just that you call it sexuality and i call it personality/preference. Like straight/gay/bi are core/basic ones in which we all belong, but preference comes in narrows the choices. The only argument left is how you personally feel on the subject. To me calling those sexuality's is dumb and pointless but you disagree which is ok. As they say "You cant please everyone."
Maybe. But what difference does it make? People like to label themselves to find their own identity.
Does it affect you in any way that people call themselves pansexual? Why is pansexual a problem but homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual and asexual isn't?
Just live and let live.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 18:11:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Because others have a point, by your logic pansexual is not different then Emo or Goth, in other words, im not obliged to respect it and i can see it as stupid as i see those two.
You aren't obligated to respect anything anyways. Tolerance is more than enough and is actually achievable. Sorry this is how it is.
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 22:37:19 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I am tolerant to it, because i see it as stupid and no point in getting worked up about it. I will make fun of it as any other thing and i wont treat it as something special like they want to present it.
Sexuality is a lot weirder and full of gray areas than you give it credit for. The lines between preference and sexuality are kinda blurry, especially once you start to consider gender as a spectrum. If you're a guy and sexually attracted to women... including pre-transition trans women, are you straight? Bisexual? Something not well-defined between the two?
I think most people agree that things like 'sapiosexual' are misguided attempts to co-opt the LGBT movement, but even when we're specifically talking about gender, sex, and attraction, you still can't easily boil it down to hetero/bi/homosexual. People sometimes use andro/gynosexual to specifically define being attracted to a particular sex, as opposed to being attracted to the "opposite" or "same" sex, which is particularly useful for trans people.
We all use labels to accurately define ourselves to ourselves and others, why would you consider yourself the arbiter of what people should and should not label themselves?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:53:19 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
First i think you made a mistake here:
If you're a guy and sexually attracted to women... including pre-transition trans women
I think you meant trans men, because why would a straight guy be attracted to pre-transition trans woman which is basically just a man. If you are attracted to a pre-transition trans woman then you are not straight.
The whole argument boils down to you see those as sexuality i see them as preferences. Like example, im a straight dude and i could never in my life be with a trans woman. I even had chases where i found them attractive until i found out that they are in fact trans. I've heard argument on how thats transphobic an what not but the matter of fact is im just not attracted to them. It makes me feel weird and uncomfortable and any attraction i had to her ,prior knowing shes trans, is gone. But there are straight men that dont care about that and are still attracted to those trans women. To you thats a different sexuality, to me it's just a straight dude with less restrictions.
We all use labels to accurately define ourselves to ourselves and others
This is the thing i dont get about a lot of people today. Why do you need to put your self in boxes? Sexuality is such a small part of you life and who you are. Through majority of your life it's insignificant it's forgettable. I see it as if some one asked me what kind of food do i like and instead of saying i like mexican or chinese, i start naming all the food that i like. The food that i like does indeed define me but numbering all the food i like is pointless and matter of fact, nobody cares.
why would you consider yourself the arbiter of what people should and should not label themselves?
I do not, no body is the arbiter. It's just my two cents on the topic. But the matter is I and majority of people will still see it as an Emo Goth label as in stupid, because i am an arbiter of my opinions.
I think you meant trans men, because why would a straight guy be attracted to pre-transition trans women which is basically just a man. If you are attracted to a pre-transition trans woman then you are not straight.
No, you mostly got my point there! A pre-transition trans woman is, in body, pretty much a man, yeah. But they may act, dress like, and present as a woman. And an otherwise straight man my find themselves attracted to that, but not cis men who are men in body, clothes, demeanor, etc. Straight wouldn't be the correct label for that. But neither would bisexual.
I'm not saying people in that position need to find an accurate label. If we tried to label every sexual orientation, we'd have millions of them. But by insisting on the hetero/bi/homosexual boxes, people with sexualities that do not fit into those boxes (a surprisingly large amount of people) are kinda trivialized and made to feel like their nuanced sexuality is somehow wrong.
Why do you need to put your self in boxes?
If anything, the whole pansexual thing is for the dissolution of the 3 hetero/bi/homo boxes we have now. It should be okay to say that you're bisexual, asexual, pansexual, androsexual, "i dunno i just think people are pretty sometimes"-sexual, or whatever. But as we are now, people expect people to fit within those 3 boxes, some people can have very narrow definitions of those boxes, and react with hostility to people who don't fall into them.
Of course to the grand majority of people we encounter, we'll never have to tell them anything about our sexuality. People don't wear identifying pins around (except maybe activists but that's different). But it should be okay to talk with friends about how we're pansexual or kinda-sorta straight or whatever we are.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:36:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Straight wouldn't be the correct label for that. But neither would bisexual.
But bisexual would be correct label, at least thats how i see it. As a straight dude im not attracted to all women. There are women that are snobs, slobs or just plane bitches and i am i no way attracted to them. So if a guy doesnt like your regular guy but likes more feminine dudes thats just bisexual with a preference.
people expect people to fit within those 3 boxes
But we do fit in just one of these boxes. Like i said in the other comment chain : Like straight/gay/bi are core/basic ones in which we all belong, but preference comes in narrows the choices.
react with hostility to people who don't fall into them.
People react with hostility to almost anything. This will not stop as long as humans exist. The best action to take is avoid them.
. But it should be okay to talk with friends about how we're pansexual or kinda-sorta straight or whatever we are.
Is this sorta straight equivalent to talking about what you like in a guy/girl, aka preferences?
But bisexual would be correct label, at least thats how i see it.
This theoretical guy would probably disagree with that label. He's attracted to cis women and trans women, not men. It doesn't matter how you see it, honestly. It matters how they see it and you should respect it.
But we do fit in just one of these boxes. Like i said in the other comment chain : Like straight/gay/bi are core/basic ones in which we all belong
Except plenty of people are saying that these boxes are not representative of how they feel. Sure, if they want to, they could define themselves as 'straight but okay with trans women too', but they might also feel like 'straight' is too far off. We used to (and still do kinda) think that people fit neatly into the 2 gendered boxes of male and female, but the increasing realizations of gender as a spectrum and that sex and gender can be mismatched shows that it doesn't quite work.
People react with hostility to almost anything. This will not stop as long as humans exist. The best action to take is avoid them.
I mean, that's all well and good if you're not the one experiencing the hostility. Avoidance is not the best action. Educating people and socially shutting out people who stick to old, hateful, and repressive ideas is how we actually get society to change.
Is this sorta straight equivalent to talking about what you like in a guy/girl, aka preferences?
It's kinda similar. People talk about everything and anything. Like I said, sexuality and preference have a bit of a blur when it comes to treating gender and sexuality as spectrums.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:26:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The 1st two paragraphs can we summed up with people can be wrong. If he likes women and pre-transition trans women he in matter of fact is bi doesnt matter if he identifies because by describing his attraction as such, he immediately belongs in that group, no matter if he likes it or not. I cant say im gay, but im only attracted to women. Thats not how words and definitions work. We have words to ease communication and understanding. By going against the words you are just confusing people around you. Let me give a drastic hyperbolic example. If a KKK member identifies as tolerant and not racist. Is he correct? No of course not, he can identify any way he likes but it does not make it correct.
We used to (and still do kinda) think that people fit neatly into the 2 gendered boxes of male and female,
I dont know where to begin with this, from whats the purpose of the word gender. It might be a language barrier but in my language we dont have a word for gender we just have sex. Why does word gender even exist? In majority of chases it synonymous to sex exempt in 1% for trans people which are people that are born one sex and feel that they are the other. Gender as a spectrum is just mumbo jumbo to me. Gender fluid- some times they identifies as male some times as female, what the fuck does that even mean? I've been male my whole life and not once did i feel like a "male", i dont even know the meaning of it. Majority experiences of Gender fluid people i've read are just sexist stupidness that they named a gender. Usual explanations are some times i feel feminine some times i feel masculine, some times i feel like wearing pants and some times i feel like wearing a dress. Im a straigh cis male and i fucking felt feminine and masculine those are called emotion... as in stereotypical femininity i felt emotional and in stereotypical masculanity i felt macho. Cross dressing has nothing to do with gender nor sexuality...
I mean, that's all well and good if you're not the one experiencing the hostility.
There is no human that never experienced hostility. Everyone did for one thing or another. Educating people is good to make a change, shutting out people is a good way to make enemies, in other words i dont think thats a good thing to do.
sexuality and preference have a bit of a blur when it comes to treating gender and sexuality as spectrums.
It really does not have a blur. You just see it like that for some reason. Because they are not spectrums. People are spectrums as in their personalities and choices they make but that does not affect gender nor sexuality. You keep intertwining the two for some reason. Like if you are gay, you can be either flamboyant or act like regular man, it does not change your sexuality neither does being attracted to one of those.
If he likes women and pre-transition trans women he in matter of fact is bi doesnt matter if he identifies because by describing his attraction as such, he immediately belongs in that group, no matter if he likes it or not
Definition of bisexual:
adjective: bisexual
1.
sexually attracted to both men and women.
You'd have to believe that trans women are men for him to be bisexual. You can choose to believe that it's the case, but you'd be wrong from many angles.
I dont know where to begin with this, from whats the purpose of the word gender. It might be a language barrier but in my language we dont have a word for gender we just have sex.
Language is imperfect. We didn't have a word to describe people who go to space, until we decided to cobble together "astronaut" from words we already had. Likewise, gender/sex used to pretty much be synonyms in english. Now we're realizing there is a distinction between biological sex, and how people experience gender as a social construct. To eliminate this confusion people use "gender identity" instead sometimes.
Gender as a spectrum is just mumbo jumbo to me. Gender fluid- some times they identifies as male some times as female, what the fuck does that even mean?
Well, neurologists and sociologists are increasingly discovering that the brain structures and societal conditions that work together to produce our gender identity can produce results very much on a spectrum. Most of us fall so close to the extreme of the spectrum that coincides with our biological sex that we're very much comfortable being cisgender men/women without even thinking about it. Some people fall on the opposite end of their sex. This is being transgender. Some people fall somewhere too far from either extreme to feel comfortable being men or women. This is where genderfluid/agender/bigender/genderqueer people fall in general. These are all just different expressions of being in the middle of the spectrum.
Im a straigh cis male and i fucking felt feminine and masculine those are called emotion...
Now this is where, as a cis man I can't speak first hand, but I'll do the best I can anyway. Being genderfluid is very much different from just feeling masculine or feminine. Someone can be an incredibly feminine man but still identify as a man on all levels. It's not just emotions, it's really deep complex brain chemistry falling between the two extremes of male and female brain activity leading people to feel male at some points and female at other points. I cannot stress enough that it's more than just feelings. People experience intense anxiety, depression, and end up killing themselves because they can't reconcile their mid-spectrum gender identity with their sex.
shutting out people is a good way to make enemies, in other words i dont think thats a good thing to do.
If you discover a friend of yours is racist, do you tell them that's fucked up and distance yourself from them? That's kinda what I meant.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:29:41 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)*
You'd have to believe that trans women are men for him to be bisexual. You can choose to believe that it's the case, but you'd be wrong from many angles.
We were talking about pre-transition trans women which are just men physically, if hes attracted to a trans women hes just a more (how should i put it) open straight guy because she post transition has womenlly features. I for example could never be with a trans woman, Im just not attracted to them no matter how passing they are.
how people experience gender
I still dont understand what gender is. For astronaut you explained that we needed the word for it, i dont understand whats the need for the word gender, when i learned English i thought that it's just another word for sex but now i keep hearing gender=/=sex so i dont know what gender is anymore. Is there a purpose for the word gender other then for that 1% that dont feel like their sex?
People experience intense anxiety, depression, and end up killing themselves because they can't reconcile their mid-spectrum gender identity with their sex.
So why do we treat it as normal, or even worse a trend (many teens that are confused enough from their hormones are now jumping on this) Example . The real ones need medical help and/or therapy, but they are in vast minority even in their communities. Their communities have been hijacked by Narcissistic people and confused/socially awkward teens.
If you discover a friend of yours is racist, do you tell them that's fucked up and distance yourself from them? That's kinda what I meant.
I in matter of fact have a friends that is racist and that say dumb racist things. I always call him on it and prove him wrong on the spot. Just because one thing we dont agree on doesnt mean we cant be friends, and it just so happeneds that he is an idiot on said topic. A lot of my friends are homophobic too (living in a country where this is ok) some of them i changed their opinons, others i didnt even want to try. I used to be homophobic my self, do you think it would have been a good idea to shut me off? Instead of leveling with me on the topic that you just called me a homophobe and shut me off? You would have just inforced my opinion. You have to teach people on certain topics not attack them/demonize them or call them bigots. People will not change their minds if attacked.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:53:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So should there be a different word for heterosexuals that aren't attracted to all personality types of the opposite sex?
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 17:45:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, a lot of bi-sexuals are not attracted to trans people, just cis men and women. Those that are might want to use a word like pansexual so people know they include trans as well.
Nah. The vast majority of transgender males and transgender females choose to not go through "sex change" surgery. Most go through hormone treatment, but still have their biological sex organs. A bisexual person may not be okay with a physically appearing woman with a penis, or a physically appearing man with a vagina.
Pansexual are different in that we have the capacity to find anyone attractive, regardless of what sexual organs they have. This also applies to androgenous looking people.
A huge portion of the LGBT community only believes in two genders. Male and Female. A transgender man, is male. A transgender female is female. An a-gender person is neither, and a gender fluid (although I have not seen any science to back up its validity), would fluctuate between male and female.
Nothing about bisexual implies non-attraction to trans individuals. Well, except people who insist that pansexual is different somehow and make up their own silly shit because it's more specialer.
It's more the opposite. It's "I'm also into special snowflakes". Bi people who date the "gender is not a thing" types. And that is actually useful for shit like OKCupid accounts in cities or stuff like that
If he's not attracted to men at all he wouldn't have sex with them for pleasure. Pansexual was invented for people who could get aroused by non-anthropomorphic things like sofas and doors.
I know there are people out there who "identify" as things that aren't even real, like fantasy creatures or whatever. Would pan people fall under being attracted to them, or is there another term for that?
You're talking about otherkin. Otherkin is not really a gender most the time. It's more like what we think of furry culture. It's more of a persona. However I'd say if someone did identity it with their gender identity id fit under pan
I'd say it's a subset of bisexual, because if someone says they're bisexual it doesn't automatically mean they aren't attracted to transgender or intersex people.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:45:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm not really an expert, but there is a-gender, gender fluid etc. Pansexual also refers to being attracted to all different types of sexual orientations.
GaryLOL · 419 points · Posted at 13:27:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
does this include being attracted to an attack helicopter?
I sexually Identify as an unoriginal joke. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of surfing reddit dropping shitposts and derailing actual conversation. People say to me that this has been really going on for far too long and and it trivialises gender identity but I don’t care, I'm a massive asshole. I’m having a plastic surgeon install a mountain dew dispenser, a catheter and and a poop shoot on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Logical Gamer” and respect my right to freeze peach. If you can’t accept me you’re a god damn tumblirina sjw cultural marxist liberal and you triggered lol?. Thank you for being so understanding.
What in Elbereth's name did you just fucking say about me, you little orc? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Rangers, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Mordor, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in elven warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire Gondor armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. By Durin's beard, I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Eä, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the palantir? Think again, dung-filth. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across Valinor and your spirit is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, wyrm. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, orc. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of Mirkwood, Rivendell and Lothlorien and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of Middle Earth, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you fool of an orc. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, orc.
Do you think a person suffering from schizophrenia is hurting themselves? Do you know the suicide rate of post op trans people? It's a mental disorder that society is celebrating, much to the detriment of those who 'identify' as being a certain way. This lifestyle is then packaged and sold to America as a virtue so that kids who feel 'different' have something to latch onto. But please, continue to celebrate this insanity like a good robot that accepts any social deviation as good and valid despite strong evidence to the contrary.
I love when people trot out the post op suicide rates thing, like it's not based on a single study which found that post op trans suicide attempt rates are only slightly higher than the general population (I think like, 3% vs 1%? Can't really remember the specifics), compared to around 50% for pre-op trans people. But please, don't let facts get in the way of your bigoted rant.
Actually it's not bigotry, in fact I think I care more about trans people than you do. You want them to suffer, I want them to get help. But please, don't let critical thinking get in the way of your sadistic world view.
Ah, yes, I'm sure you know better than all the psychiatrists and doctors who seem to think transitioning is the best cure for gender dysphoria. Let alone that whole 'suicide rates plummeting after surgery' thingy. Best ignore all that so you can pretend your transphobia is 'for their own good', right?
Let alone that whole 'suicide rates plummeting after surgery' thingy.
suicide rates skyrocket.
I'm sure you know better than all the psychiatrists and doctors who seem to think transitioning is the best cure for gender dysphoria.
source?
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 22:46:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
source?
The DSM-5. Aka what psychologists/psychiatrists/doctors/the entire medical field uses to diagnose and cure anything involving the inner workings of the brain.
transitioning is the best cure for gender dysphoria.
it doesnt say that
The DSM-5.
from the dsm-5 "When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition"
lists counseling as the first priority.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 23:42:27 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You should read the actual DSM-5 and not whatever you got that from. You get counseling for a minimum of 3 months until they can determine if you actually have gender dysphoria, and then they assign HRT as the treatment.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:06:02 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
That source isn't there to talk about the symptom. Its there to talk about why they changed it from Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria from the DSM-4 to the DSM-5
Yeah, it's the first priority because it's the most important short term to lower suicide rates. The fact GRS is still on there should give you a clue that maybe they do in fact think it's a viable treatment...do you have any opposing sources at all?
The problem is that you assume they need help because they're trans, as opposed to needing help because of the way that they feel they are viewed and treated by others around them.
Comparing schizophrenia to gender dysphoria shows a remarkable amount of ignorance on the topic of disorders - it's not leading them to self-harm and suicide; the lack of acceptance and the cruel way that many of them are marginalized and mistreated, however, causes strain and a whole host of mental issues, which can lead to self-harm and suicide as a last-resort of relief.
There is nothing to grasp from your original point BUT transphobia, so it's not surprising /u/ramblingpariah fails at doing so.
It's just empty rhetoric, misunderstood and misquoted science and failure to change your point of view in the face of contradicting evidence AND personal experiences.
you havent presented any evidence. you think you have the moral highground because you hide behind buzz words like transphobia, because you dont actually have an argument or evidence. kind of funny to read your responses.
You say "straw man," but your statement indicates you have no idea what that means. I didn't respond to things you didn't say (nor invent things you didn't say and argue against those), but to things you actually said. You should probably figure out what "straw man" refers to before throwing it out there like you know what you're talking about.
It's not semantics - you flat-out stated that you want them to get help, but you've made it abundantly clear that the help you want is for them to be "cured" of their trans nature, which isn't the help that anyone with actual psych knowledge or training would be likely to recommend. You're the worst kind of ignorant - someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, but is completely convinced that they do.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 17:18:36 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I mean, I don't think he explicitly hates it, he just thinks is silly and immature, which I would say honestly, to an extent it could be. I thought the whole point of understanding gender was just to know which pronouns to use, when people start inventing pronouns then it's just messing with our language for no real reason other than to be different. I will use he/him she/her and that's it honestly. I'm not going to start using non-existent pronouns to accommodate a absolute minuscule practically non-existent portion of a population that I have never met and likely never will. Trans people I can sympathize with, 0.3% of the US is still a tiny population but large enough that you can give them respect by using the pronouns (trans-woman is a she, trans-man is a he) they desire. I mean, it's not a big deal, I honestly couldn't give a shit.
[deleted] · -14 points · Posted at 17:35:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hey, I identify as a "demi-Airbus 380 with the left wing kinda broken and a family of 8 living in it-queer" and it also bugs me when people say it's not a real gender!
I don't think its hate, its just that they overcomplicate shit too much, that is why a lot of people think they are weird. When they invent a dozen gender pronouns, and 20 different definitions for their sexuality people aren't sure wtf is going on. Specially when they always say they hate labels, yet they come up with new ones every day.
[deleted] · 21 points · Posted at 15:49:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You JUST hated on it. Whats the point in getting worked up over something that doesn't effect you?
Why is it hate? If you critizice something that doesn't mean you hate it. I have no hate towards people that have different sexualities or gender, but you just prove my point, if I don't keep up with all that stuff and find it confusing I'm labeled a hater even though I just don't understand that world and hope it didn't get even more confusing every day.
If you don't understand it why are you trying to criticize it?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 23:41:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
He's criticizing it TO understand it. He has questions and wonders about them, and when he asks them it doesn't get answered, only thrown aside and told that questioning this is bigotry.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 23:40:27 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Actually, it's simple. SRS is brigading the thread (explicitly against reddit rules, btw), and trying to shove their ideology down other people's throats. Anyone who asks questions is a bigot and should be murdered if the OH SO TOLERANT FOLKS are in a good mood.
obviously this is a low effort shitpost, but on the off chance you (or anyone else reading this) are interested in reading about some ways gender noncomformity is or has been expressed in various cultures/historical settings:
The attack helicopter nonsense is akin (pun intended) to having an imaginary friend as a child, and yes, the overwhelming majority of "kin" folks are in fact 12 and under.
[deleted] · -15 points · Posted at 16:06:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I honestly don't get why this less than 1% of the population is suddenly a protected species. Maybe trans people need to stop having paper skin and actually stand up for themselves. Instead of crying over pronouns and other such nonsense.
Enleat · 10 points · Posted at 16:58:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I honestly don't get why this less than 1% of the population is suddenly a protected species.
We're in no way protected and are seriously struggling to attain equal rights. We have to fight to piss in public bathrooms. How is that a 'protected species' that can't be safe in broad daylight from attack and isn't represented in the political system?
Maybe trans people need to stop having paper skin and actually stand up for themselves.
We do, we have been since the 60's and older than that, and we've been murdered and abused for it.
Instead of crying over pronouns and other such nonsense.
Some would argue no, but outside academia, sure. At least for now. 21st century gender is hugely influenced by biological sex, and even though there are things like intersex, male and female are 2 points.
[deleted] · 37 points · Posted at 00:15:51 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
In my opinion, all the "new genders" are equally stupid as they're based solely on pre-conceived notions of masculinity and femininity. And those are often argued by people who, hypocritically support the notion of "breaking down gender stereotypes."
I know what you mean. I'm biologically male, and I can't imagine not identifying as a man, because I don't really think I've ever felt like or unlike a man in the first place. I've never felt like it's wrong for someone to call me "him" or that it's right for someone to call me "him." I'm fine with being called a man and also not fulfilling every manly stereotype.
But some people aren't fine with that. Some people just feel wrong being called by their birth gender, and they feel wrong being called by the opposite one. And what can people like you and me say about that? I can't tell someone their feelings are wrong. I can't tell someone I know the inner workings of their mind better than they do, because I really don't.
For those people identifying with non-binary genders, as confusing as that may be to me, I really don't have the authority to shut down how someone else feels about who they are.
And maybe it sort of strengthens gender stereotypes. But nobody's telling me I have to be more manly if I identify as male, and nobody's telling me I must not be a man if I don't fulfill every male gender stereotype. As long as they're fine with me living how I want to, I'll do my best to support them. I'll use their pronouns and try my best to understand.
TLDR: Eh. Live and let live. Life's too short to be a jerk to someone about something I can't understand.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:08:49 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, I believe I understand it fully. It's people deluding themselves to attempt to stand out, and be unique because they want to rebel against normality for the sake of political rebellion. There's no honesty. It's not genuine. The new genders are based on the idea of standing out. That's what I can say about people who identify as non-binary genders.
That's such a cold, untrusting way to view other people, to say that they're liars and you know better.
Do you know any people who identify as non-binary? You might find that a lot of them are a lot like any other person.
I really don't get the argument that they're trying to seek attention. If they gain acceptance, they get to live normal lives, not really even getting much attention. And if they don't gain acceptance, they're getting scoffed at by people like you, and why would anyone want that attention?
[deleted] · -7 points · Posted at 01:37:05 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
People who make the mistake of trusting anyone in this world are imbeciles. You can only trust yourself. So yeah, I really do think they're lying.
The argument is it's not about acceptance, it's only because they want to be unique.
[deleted] · 22 points · Posted at 13:28:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
What do you mean buy "cis"? I keep hearing that word but I haven't found what it means.
[deleted] · 44 points · Posted at 14:49:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Cis means that a person's gender identity aligns with their assigned sex. It comes from the latin prefix 'cis-' which means 'on the same side as' as opposed to 'trans' which means 'across from.'
Yeah but so is being white, but no one calls being white abnormal
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:01:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Depends on the context/demographic of a region. It's perfectly "normal" to see a white person in northern Europe, while people in southeast Asia will take pictures with a black man because it's so unusual.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:12:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Enleat · 49 points · Posted at 15:58:42 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
The problem is that when you call trans people 'abnormal' it pathologises us and gives people free reign to discount us and our rights because we're 'a statistic abnormality'.
And don't fucking tell me it doesn't happen, it does. I see this shit on reddit constantly.
'Trans people are fewer than 1%, we shouldn't prioritise their rights'.
Just fuck off with this.
Here are some definitions that shows it's usually considered a negative thing:
different from what is normal or average : unusual especially in a way that causes problems
Deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying:
Not typical, usual, or regular; not normal; deviant.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 16:02:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Things that are abnormal aren't inherently bad though.
Enleat · 10 points · Posted at 16:08:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Of course they aren't, but do you think most people recognise this?
How many times have you seen the term 'abnormal' or the phrase 'this isn't normal' used to bully and harras LGBT people?
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 20:58:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I have seen that, it's been directed towards me, and whoever uses that as an argument is not worth interacting with.
Why use "abnormal"? It has a very clear negative connotation attached to it.
What if you were heavily overweight, or underweight, or very short, or very tall, or had a genetic disease, or were an ethnic or religious minority where you live? Would you want to be called abnormal?
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 20:57:06 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm abnormally short for my age and sex. I have been called as such before. Whether I want people to call me that is irrelevant, as they're right, I am abnormally short. If I cared, I could tell them not to call me that, but A: it would just give me weird looks and alienate people and B: it would never stop. It's best just to embrace it and instead try to change the more damaging things like depression and low life expectancy.
Wyzegy · 16 points · Posted at 16:20:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Maybe have the presence of mind to know that you are abnormal and not give a fuck about what people say?
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Those aren't all really the same thing, though. TONS of people discriminate against gender and sexual minorities, and they really don't against people with extreme heights or low weight.
People in this situation also have to understand that they are different from the vast majority, so yes it makes them abnormal, and most of them do understand that. If that neutral of a term is enough to offend someone, then the reality is that person is in for a lot more hardship than they are ready for. I have friends who are trans, who are gay, who are bisexual. It's more about how you address people or use terms. The word isn't bad just because it describes that you are indeed different from the vast majority.
OK, but some people take being called 'abnormal' as insulting
I'm not trans myself but I've seen trans people on twitter trying to raise awareness that they don't like being called abnormal because they believe their identity should be as valid and 'normal' as any cis person's
I mean, that green Shrek ketchup was abnormal, but it didn't invalidate the fact that it was ketchup.
Kvlter · 2 points · Posted at 16:48:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I love this, and am stealing it for next time this topic comes up.
Kvlter · 6 points · Posted at 14:59:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm trans, and to be honest I don't really care. I definitely am a statistical abnormality. As long as people aren't intentionally being assholes about it it's fine to me.
Bob is a healthy human being. He had no control over his leglessness. Bob's lack of legs will prevent him from participating in some events, but Bob can still live 99% of a human life without difficulty.
Bob is abnormal. Less than 1% of the population is born without legs. This is the definition of abnormal. For Bob to take offense at others calling him "Abnormal" is ridiculous. His abnormality is undeniable. In order for Bob to live a happy life Bob cannot deny what he is. Bob must accept that he has no legs, accept that this is just one of the many problems that life throws at us, and then tackle it (figuratively speaking, as Bob cannot literally tackle anything) as a mature adult.
It should be noted, however, that Bob's status is just as valid as any two-legged person.
You're right, but in the same way that someone with down syndrome is retarded. Sure they technically are but people generally avoid saying it because it's insulting.
I have a down syndrome woman in my family. Her name is Ann. My grandparents adopted her after her parents - friends of my grandparents - died.
Ann doesn't know a lot (for obvious reasons) but she knows that she is different from the rest of us. We don't try to hide that from her because hiding the truth from her would be a disservice. If she ever asked us "Am I retarded?" we wouldn't lie to her - we'd try and say "yes" in nicer words. In words that tell the truth, but also offer Ann our support in overcoming her disadvantages.
If a trans person asked me "Am I abnormal?" I wouldn't lie to them. I wouldn't say, "You're just as normal as the rest of us." To lie to such a person is disrespectful to their intelligence and doesn't get them anywhere. What I would say - and what I hope everyone would say - is
"yes, you are abnormal. Yes, there are things about you that are different from everyone else - and your perception of your gender is one of those differences. But you know what? That's only a problem if you make it one. Just because you're a bit different from the rest of us humans doesn't make you any less human than the rest of us. If you ever need to chat, call."
That's not patronizing. That's not insulting. That doesn't obscure the truth. I sincerely believe that the above is the most loving, helpful way I could respond to a trans person asking such a question.
Kvlter · 6 points · Posted at 15:01:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I think they're taking issue with the bluntness more than anything. I, being trans, personally don't take issue with it, but it's a big deal to some. Either way, as long as you mean the best, don't worry about it.
I appreciate that thought pattern. It seems to me in this day and age there are too many people willing to jump down each other's throats because they don't tow the politically correct line, even if they don't have malicious intents or they're factually correct. Social gentrification seems to be replacing honesty, among other things, which I think is a huge shame.
Good on Bob, then. As I'm not a Trans person I can't give a trans person's viewpoint on this analogy, but something tells me it's not as simple as just accepting it and moving on especially with how much transphobia there is around.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 14:33:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately, they don't understand the definition of 'normal'.
Kvlter · 0 points · Posted at 15:02:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's a word for "eggs", right?
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 15:29:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I understand some of the issues that trans people face and think they deserve respect or whatever.
But they are not normal. They will never be normal. As far as current science is concerned they have a mental disorder that is somewhat treatable with gender reassignment. As far as we know they were born with the wrong gendered brain in their body, and possibly more stuff is messed up with them.
AND THAT'S FINE! It's fine to not be normal. Acceptance is about accepting people who don't fit normal. By trying to claim normality they are kind of shitting all over acceptance and that's a large part of why the whole LGBT+ movement gets eyerolls from otherwise good people. 94% of people are perfectly fine with having sex and gender be synonymous words and being attracted to people who are the opposite sex. The more concessions the 6% of abnormal people try to have every one else make, the less the 94% are going to try to care. You want me to accept that you are a woman now? Fine. You want me to pretend you're normal? No.
As far as current science is concerned they have a mental disorder that is somewhat treatable with gender reassignment. As far as we know they were born with the wrong gendered brain in their body, and possibly more stuff is messed up with them.
The American Psychiatric Association disagrees with you.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 16:26:41 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
DSM not only determines how mental disorders are defined and diagnosed, it also impacts how people
see themselves and how we see each other. While diagnostic terms facilitate clinical care and access to
insurance coverage that supports mental health, these terms can also have a stigmatizing effect.
Translation: we're changing what we call it so we don't hurt people's feelings.
Translation: we're changing what we call it so we don't hurt people's feelings.
So what the hell is wrong with that? If a change in language allows people to live happier, more fulfilled lives, isn't that precisely the goal of the psychiatric field?
It matters to you because you want to be able to treat trans folks as "other" and feel superior. That's your shit, not their shit. That's something wrong in your brain and has no bearing on their mental health.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:54:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It matters to you because you want to be able to treat trans folks as "other" and feel superior.
Stop right there. He offered no intent in his comment, which I sympathize with. Changing the terminology is ultimately a waste of time, and is only a temporary solution to a more complicated problem.
"Retarded" used to be politically correct. It was then used as an insult, and that is one of a few reasons why it has changed multiple times over the years. Right now, if you need to used something to describe someone's mental disability, you describe them by what they have: autism, downs syndrome, etc. Now, inevitably, those words have turned to insults as well.
To the vast majority of people, trans people are "other." That's the reality of the situation. If it turns into words, such as "abnormal (which I've already said I think is an appropriate word)," then you can ignore it. What we should instead be focusing on is the exorbitant suicide rate and widespread depression.
tl:dr, Changing the words over and over again is a waste of time which could be spent on more productive activities.
This isn't changing the word. This is changing whether or not being trans is classified as a mental illness. Something that has huge implications for how people are treated. Something that has major implications in suicide rates, rates of violence, access to jobs and healthcare, and many other real world things. It matters.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 16:53:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There are about as many black people as there are white. Being an albino on the other hand is way more rare, thus making it "abnormal". This doesn't mean it's a bad thing though, it just means it's not the norm.
That's true, but that doesn't mean that being labeled as abnormal is a pleasant thing, especially when they get attacked by people for being crazy and what have you pretty damn often already.
Abnormal can imply "not the usual" and by that definition, yes, it is abnormal. But the term clearly carries negative judgement and privileges "normal" as superior or desirable. It has been used to attack people who are not gender conforming for a long time, so you can understand why people would feel that there's a difference between saying "not the majority" and "abnormal".
The "very definition" of abnormal usually makes this point:
By your argument you could just as accurately describe being trans as "exceptional" or "extraordinary", words with the same top-line meaning but with very different connotations.
[deleted] · -8 points · Posted at 14:24:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Here's the LGBT demographics of the US. Note that at the bottom of the table it says that 3.8% of the US is LGBT. Also note that in the introductory paragraph, it says that
"An earlier report published in April 2011 by the Williams Institute estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender". Source
0.3% is less than 1%, and /u/EgoandDesire said that less than 1% of the population is trans.
The Williams Institute is part of the University of California's School of Law, and is thus a reliable source.
There's your real data about it.
Also, I don't know if you actually don't understand the negative connotations behind the word "abnormal" or if you're just pretending not to understand for the purposes of the point you're trying to make, but referring to trans people as "abnormal" is blatantly insensitive and insulting no matter how "technically" correct you think you are.
"Technically correct" is all we've got to go on, and it's all we're ever obligated to go on.
Are trans people technically abnormal? Yes, they make up 0.3% of the population. Is repeating this true fact insensitive? Perhaps. So, should we, in the efforts of keeping trans people happy, pretend that these facts are false? No, of course not. The trans community will not be any better off if they hide the truth about themselves under a rock to protect their feelings. The trans community will only ever be able to progress forward if they accept that they are abnormal and understand that their abnormality isn't wrong, it is a part of who they are.
Nobody has ever achieved anything great in life on a foundation of lies. If the trans community cannot accept the truth about themselves, they will never achieve anything either.
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tfiggs · 11 points · Posted at 15:07:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I don't get why abnormal has to be perceived negatively. It's a perfectly fine word to use in this context, but instead of using it, they have to use 'cis' to describe 'normal' people because for some reason 'abnormal' = bad.
Because that's how words work? They carry meaning and nuance beyond their strict definition. That's where the richness of language comes from. That's why we have synonyms, because each has its own embedded nuance.
I could say "Hitler was an exceptional person" and by strict top-line definition I'd be right. But it carries a lot of additional meaning that I wouldn't want to imply.
tfiggs · 1 points · Posted at 17:48:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Atypical would probably a better choice and is typically used in this context for that very reason
Taken from the Google definition - abnormal: "deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying."
Calling someone's sexuality or gender identity "undesirable" or "worrying" should be what we're moving away from.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 16:00:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's why when talking about behaviour and cognitive or learning difficulties we generally say "Typical" or "Atypical" behaviour.
tfiggs · 3 points · Posted at 16:06:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Atypical certainly sounds better. It's also the term I was thinking of in my first comment. I was using abnormal and atypical synonymously, which is incorrect
That would apply to straight and gay too tho. Or basically anything that's not a Chinese woman if you want to go full statistics.
Kvlter · 1 points · Posted at 15:11:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Definitely. As long as people aren't assholes about it I don't mind.
tfiggs · 1 points · Posted at 15:15:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Labels are almost always used divisively and create an 'us' vs 'them' mentality. Creating a brand new label for normal people doesn't serve a constructive purpose imho.
Kvlter · 3 points · Posted at 15:19:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's useful as a term. I know people are using it negatively, which makes absolutely no fucking sense to me, but it's got it's uses.
tfiggs · 1 points · Posted at 15:27:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I don't have a problem with being called cis, It's 100x better than 'fucking white male.'
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[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 15:11:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I admit I could have reacted in a more reasonable manner, but I stand by saying that I never insulted anyone.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:31:11 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Not to be a sensitive sally, but the statement of cis being "comfortable the way you were made" has two pretty blatant implications:
Being trans is 'unnatural' or defying some kind of natural force that dictates how you were made. That you are made man or woman and deviating from that is some kind of abhorrence to 'how you were made'
Being trans is being 'uncomfortable with who you are'. While there is some minor truth to that -- a person born with male sexual parts feels more comfortable with gender associations like that of a woman. However, to act like it's just a bunch of non-confident/socially inept/outcast-like people who are doing this is literally the numero uno line of attack against their existence -- and you either wittingly or unwittingly fell into that line of thinking.
Just something to keep in mind. Yes, a lot of trans people can be a little touchy. That has to do with the fact that they suffer one of the highest rates of sexual violence in the country, have the highest suicide rate out of any group in the country, are regularly thrown out of their homes and denied jobs and denied relationships in general because of something that they fundamentally can not just 'switch off'.
The only difference between the trans rights and gay rights movement, frankly, is one comprises less than 1% of the population and the other more than 10% of the population. One gets exposure, one does not. That was the entire purpose of gay rights demonstrations and pride parades -- to show that gay people are out there, to let them demonstrate their own voice rather than let people who think they have never met one create little fireside ghost tales of them. Trans people don't have that right -- so when they are 'outed' so to say, it's like they're a fuckin unicorn and it just amplifies the reactions -- hateful ones usually.
It's what they call people who identify with their physical gender... so if you are physically a dude and mentally like "yeah being a dude is fine" then you are cis. It's basically like the sjw/Tumblr version of 4chan "normies"
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 19:15:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
but wouldn't those be sexualitys, its heterosexual not heterogendered its bisexual not bigendered
Gender is biological, there is only two biological genders.
Sexuality is subjective I guess? I don't really know the word but you can go around telling people you like to fuck pans and you're pan but it doesn't biologically replace your dick with a pan.
Well I guess I can't really understand it without having experienced it myself. Thanks for the info though.
I think the "you do you" philosophy is important here.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 00:51:17 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Like most things about the human mind it's really complicated and nobody knows. We just know that some people, those with gender dysphoria aka trans people, feel really, reeaallly wrong in their bodies. Like, 40% suicide rate bad, all the time. Luckily treatment through therapy and transitioning if it's severe enough can help these people to live normal, healthy lives.
I can talk about my personal experience with gender dysphoria if you'd like.
Is it associated with body image/self esteem or is it a more fundamental, difficult to explain emotion?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:40:05 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)*
Good question. I mean it's definitely a very emotional thing as well, but for me at least it's always mostly been a visceral, physical feeling. I've just never felt like my body was right. When puberty started happening it just got worse and worse. My brain was like "Woah! This is not what's supposed to be going on here."
It definitely made me feel extremely self-conscious and disgusting, but I wouldn't say it is fundamentally about self-esteem. It just made me feel so gross to look in the mirror and see myself becoming further and further away from what my self image of myself in my head was each day. It's disheartening to be powerless as you're body turns into something that you don't understand and don't want.
A lot of trans people make the comparison of gender dysphoria with phantom limb syndrome, and I personally came independently to this analogy when trying to describe what it feels like to friends. In the same way that someone with PLS can feel a limb they no longer have, for trans people we feel a very different body than we physically have. Since I was young I have always felt the opposite sex's genitals downstairs than the ones I have. It's a very strange and uncomfortable feeling that never goes away. I'd learned to ignore it with the same kinds of techniques I used to keep my thoughts on track with ADHD, but it's always there in the background, even now.
With puberty was when it just became too strong to possibly ignore, though. It was a constant in my life to just feel wrong and uncomfortable all of the time. I would cry myself to sleep night after night praying to a god I still believed in that he would make me whole and get rid of this pain. My first year of college I was an absolute wreck 24/7. I was a borderline alcoholic, incredibly depressed and suicidal all of the time, would go almost full weeks without sleep, cut myself and abuse pills and anything else I could find to take my mind off of things for just a little bit. I have absolutely no idea how I passed my engineering classes.
Then I finally got on HRT after months of dealing with abusive, bigoted doctors lying to me and sabotaging me, and it was like a breath of fresh air for the first time in about 7 years. I'm the happiest I've ever been, my dysphoria is almost negligible now unless I focus on it and my whole mind just feels clearer, and being seen as me instead of feeling constantly invisible lifted so much off of me emotionally. I look and feel like myself. I'm just another girl now that nobody would second guess. I still desperately want surgery, and dating is still really difficult but being pretty doesn't hurt.
Congrats on the improvements in your life and thank you for sharing that with me.
Good luck.
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Kvlter · 8 points · Posted at 15:14:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's not really the same. Not personally an expert, but it's deeper than liking different clothing.
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Kvlter · 2 points · Posted at 16:41:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
How do people think that waking up and feeling like another gender is mentally sound??
It's not. I'm trans, I would know that of all people. It really, really, fucks with you.
its about accepting mental illness rather than treating it
It is treated. The best treatment is to help people who suffer from it, such as me, to transition to the gender they better identify as.
(which probably is not real either)?
While DID is dubious, and rare at best, gender dysphoria is most certainly real.
Enleat · 2 points · Posted at 16:03:14 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That is nowhere near the same thing. A metrosexual is a man who exhibits traditionally feminine characteristics. A tomboy is a woman who exhibits traditionaly male characteristics.
Gender fluidity is a person who 'fluctuate' from gender to gender.
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Enleat · 3 points · Posted at 16:30:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's.... because they're not genderfluid if they don't say they are. Genderfluid does not mean 'i'm gona dress like a guy' it literally means fluctuating gender or gender identity.
Being a tomboy and being gender fluid are not the same thing.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:32:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
Same reason why we call ourselves men and women, boys and girls, hetero-/homo-/bisexual, dog or cat person, metal or jazz fans, gamer of soccer player.
Sometimes, people want to label themselves because it helps you fit in and find your own identity.
[deleted] · 34 points · Posted at 15:10:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I have no clue how serious this is, but I figure I'm gonna answer anyway.
Even though the terms are often used interchangeably, strictly speaking, male and female are sexes, not genders, meaning they refer to a person's biology, i.e. chromosomes, genitalia, hormones... it gets complicated. And because of that, it's not always clear-cut which sex you belong to, there is such a (relatively rare) thing as intersex people that don't neatly fit either category.
Then beyond that is the psychological aspect, gender. Basically, whether you feel like a man, woman, or neither. Trans actually isn't even a gender. Trans just means you don't identify with the gender you were assigned at birth (as opposed to being cis, which means you do). Most commonly, this will be people who think of themselves as women but were raised as men, or vice versa. But there are also lots of people that don't identify either as men or women. There's lots of terms to describe this with varying connotations and specifics, e.g. third gender, genderqueer, non-binary, etc.
But really all you ought to know as some random person that isn't really involved with these issues, is that there is more beyond the dichotomies of man/woman and male/female. And ideally, to accept people who fall outside of that dichotomy, because honestly, it has no impact on your life anyway.
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 15:48:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I have no clue how serious this is
It isn't. It's the same thing as people going "And who is this Justin Bieber kid?" They just want to prove how out of the loop they are or something.
Trans isn't really a gender in and of itself. You can be trans and still identify as male or female.
And yes, there are many people who feel that male and female don't adequately describe them; some people consider themselves genderless, or genderfluid, or as belonging to some other category entirely outside of the male/female binary. These "third gender" conceptions exist in many cultures across centuries, often but not always associated with alternative sexual expressions.
Some people are attracted to others without regard to their gender expression, and some of those people refer to themselves as pansexual (pan- from greek for "all"). There's not a widely accepted terminology at the moment, but that's what they're saying.
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There are a bunch of examples regarding intersex people, but many do not regard sex.
In the 3rd introductory paragraph
The term "third gender" has been used to describe hijras of India, Bangladesh and Pakistan[9] who have gained legal identity, fa'afafine of Polynesia, and sworn virgins of the Balkans,[10] among others, and is also used by many of such groups and individuals to describe themselves.
Mayans.
The ancient Maya civilization may have recognised a third gender, according to historian Matthew Looper. Looper notes the androgynous Maize Deity and masculine Moon goddess of Maya mythology, and iconography and inscriptions where rulers embody or impersonate these deities. He suggests that the third gender could also include two-spirit individuals with special roles such as healers or diviners.[150]
Anthropologist and archaeologist Miranda Stockett notes that several writers have felt the need to move beyond a two-gender framework when discussing prehispanic cultures across mesoamerica,[151] and concludes that the Olmec, Aztec and Maya peoples understood "more than two kinds of bodies and more than two kinds of gender." Anthropologist Rosemary Joyce agrees, writing that "gender was a fluid potential, not a fixed category, before the Spaniards came to Mesoamerica. Childhood training and ritual shaped, but did not set, adult gender, which could encompass third genders and alternative sexualities as well as "male" and "female." At the height of the Classic period, Maya rulers presented themselves as embodying the entire range of gender possibilities, from male through female, by wearing blended costumes and playing male and female roles in state ceremonies." Joyce notes that many figures of mesoamerican art are depicted with male genitalia and female breasts, while she suggests that other figures in which chests and waists are exposed but no sexual characteristics (primary or secondary) are marked may represent a third sex, ambiguous gender or androgyny.[152]
Two-spirit is a very common idea for Natives.
Historically, the Indigenous people of Illinois have decided the gender of their members based on their childhood behavior. If a male child used tools considered to be "women's tools", such as a spade or ax instead of a bow, they were considered to be third gender, feminine men. The modern, pan-Indian term for this role is "Two-Spirit".[155]
No, you can call people sluts. It's well within your rights. People will just rightfully call you a jackass and not want to be around you. Nobody is stealing your freeze peach.
I tried to find a list of recognized genders but every search result brings up sites with titles like "nonbinary" and "it'spronouncedmetrosexual". Something tells me these are biased, so would you mind sending some links my way so I can read more about the subject?
[deleted] · -7 points · Posted at 16:32:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, only males and females. Penis or vagina.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 14:49:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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Athrul · 8 points · Posted at 15:06:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It seems odd that someone bisexual would have a problem with transgendered people. Infact of all orientations one would think they'd have the least issue with it.
She laughed at my hetero ignorance and told me how it really was.
So how is it really? I'm legitimately curious. I'm close friends with more than a few gay guys of whom I could ask questions without being offensive, but I don't know any lesbians. I have never assumed that strapons are a critical part, but I'm pretty sure what I've seen in my friends have told me about what is in porn isn't accurate either.
rividz · 3 points · Posted at 15:58:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 17:46:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There is a reasonable reason, a lot of bi-sexuals are not attracted to trans people, just cis men and women. Those that are might want to use a word like pansexual so people know they include trans as well.
I mean, there aren't different words for straight people who are/n't attracted to trans people. And many bi people are attracted to trans (or other) people anyways. It's a pretty meaningless distinction imo.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 19:51:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Take a second to think about it from this perspective: if you're someone who is attracted to men, women, and trans individuals, you may want to be able to express that fact, to distinguish yourself from those that are simply bi-sexual but only are attracted to cis individuals.
Also, forgive me if I'm wrong, but most straight people would not say they are attracted to trans people who happen to have their preferred gender. Most straight people are attracted to cis members of the opposite sex.
In regards to your word question, there in fact are also words associated with people who like the opposite sex in general but are ok with trans versions of said preferred sex, such as Supersexual or heteroflexual. They aren't common words, but they are no more uncommon than pansexual.
if you're someone who is attracted to men, women, and trans individuals, you may want to be able to express that fact, to distinguish yourself from those that are simply bi-sexual but only are attracted to cis individuals.
I just don't think that's necessary distinction to make. Saying you're attracted to men and women doesn't exclude trans people, just as saying you're straight doesn't. The only real advantage, imo, of "pansexual" is that it's more inclusive towards non-binary genders- which is certainly a good thing, but still seems unnecessary since I've never seen "bisexual" as being exclusive in that regard.
In general I just prefer to keep labels simple and somewhat relaxed. Defining them strictly always feels restrictive and often just makes things harder to keep track of. So to me, pan- and bisexual are just minutely different ways of saying the same thing.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 20:48:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I dunno. Pansexual to me means I'd give it a go with any person regardless of sex/gender. Whether that means just sexually or romantically is debatable for some, I guess.
[deleted] · -8 points · Posted at 16:49:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
this shit is getting retarded, just say you like to fuck other human beings no matter what gender they are. holy fuck man
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 20:49:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Kind of a mouthful...
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 22:15:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
why do you have to even identify as someone like that? its so retarded
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:12:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Eh, I dunno. I def wouldn't go out of my way to mention it. But, y'know, it's a word. It has a meaning. Come to think of it, I probably wouldn't use this in public for myself because of the type of person it's associated with.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:25:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
yeah i mean heck you can be whatever you want and do whatever you want but i find the word awkward as fuck. its like saying youre mylittleponysexual. now come and tell me this and expect me to not judge you lol. if i were of the pansexual thoughts and someone asked me, i think just straight up saying im open minded to everyone is way better
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:29:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I dunno. It's a word with a specific meaning. Rarely does my sexuality come up in a social setting anyway, personally. But I get why it exists.
Pansexual is pretty useful for including trans people which (arguably unfortunately) don't fit into other attractions. i.e., a straight guy/lesbian woman might not like an M-F trans person because of the downstairs.
jrackow · -19 points · Posted at 14:02:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
M-F trans person because of the downstairs
So.... Is there an office on the floor below them? M-F is actually the normal working days, but I understand noisy neighbors can be frustrating.
Kvlter · 25 points · Posted at 14:54:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Thank you for "seeing me". I see you. And you are beautiful.
[deleted] · -10 points · Posted at 15:05:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I generally prefer saying gyno-/androsexual to hetero-/homosexual for a similar reason. But attraction is just fucking weird and difficult to categorize in general tbh.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 20:18:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
All I'm implying is that attraction is based on appearance. Appearance doesn't have a sex, it can at most be feminine or masculine. Hence gyno-/androsexuality. It's not like a straight guy would not be attracted to someone who looks exactly like a "normal" woman just cause they happen to have a Y chromosome. Straight guy = gyno, straight woman = andro, gay guy = andro, gay woman = gyno. It's not any more difficult tbh
Still seems like an imperfect definition as it implies the person is okay with both cis and trans men and women, whereas they might just only be okay with cis and trans women for instance.
Being sexually attracted to a person of any gender. Or in other words, not using gender as a bracket for requirement when seeking a partner. I'm a pansexual! Lots of people joke about the "wackiness" of it but it's legitimate; it allows for the inclusion of non-binary and trans people.
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 15:32:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So what if you're attracted to both cis-women and trans-women, but not cis-men, trans-men, or other?
BlLE · 21 points · Posted at 15:39:31 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I think that counts as straight, since trans-women are women, assuming you're a man.
[deleted] · 43 points · Posted at 15:41:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Well then why is pansexual different from bi?
There are too many possible categories to actually name them all. Pansexual is kind of a pointless distinction.
I'm bi. Hot people are hot. That's it. The entire idea of pansexuality being about the person and not the gender is fucking silly. I don't meet someone and immediately fall in love with their junk.
It seems as though pansexuality became prominent as an idea after people decided that bisexuality was somehow trans-exclusive, which it absolutely isn't.
aessa · 19 points · Posted at 18:17:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It seems as though pansexuality became prominent as an idea after people decided that bisexuality was somehow trans-exclusive, which it absolutely isn't.
I just wish people would stop classifying 'trans' as being a gender. 'trans' is a quality of myself that helps identify who i am, much like being short, tall, large, small, freckled, any nationality, hair color, or whatever. It's an adjective that helps describe me, not my gender. The idea that bisexual people will not be attracted to transgender people is transphobic in that sense. I am a transgender woman. This means I am a woman, who is also trans. How does that all exclude me from being able to date a bisexual person?
It doesn't in the grand scheme of things, but it's frustrating to be assumed transphobic because of my orientation. Bi people get a bad rap already, the "hearts not parts" shit doesn't help our case.
Labels man. Not everything needs to be categorized, it's just different tastes for different folks.
BlLE · 0 points · Posted at 18:06:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Pansexual Definition:not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity.
Sounds a little bit like bi-sexuality to me. In my opinion, being attracted to a transsexual man or woman shouldn't be labeled differently than being attracted to a cis(?) man or woman. I think it separates trans people into a whole other group of their own which seems like it's the opposite of they might want. Trans women are women, trans men are men. They aren't excluded from being counted as men and women. If you're into both men and women, you're bi-sexual. I don't understand the difference between bi-sexuality and pansexual, if there is one I'm not seeing.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:54:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Whether they want it or not, it's ridiculous to say there is no distinction between a woman and a trans woman, a man and a trans man. Of course there is. Sorry, but that is just the way the world works. That being said, I'd hit it regardless.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 18:11:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's basically a way for tumblerinas to say that they are even more open and accepting than other people are. It makes them feel better about themselves I guess.
I would say most men (from reading comments whenever this topic comes up anyway) wouldn't be comfortable dating a male to female transsexual so I think on dating websites and such describing yourself as pansexual rather than just straight would show that you are one of the men who doesn't mind it?
BlLE · 1 points · Posted at 18:07:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Ah you know what that makes some sense to me. I still don't agree with it, but I understand what you're saying.
No, there's really no "default" sexuality, but lesbianism technically implies inclusiveness of transwomen.
So, if I told you I was a lesbian, you would think to yourself "ah, ok, she likes women. Transwomen are women, so she likes trans women too." Which is usually correct but there are bigoted lesbians out there who do not accept transgendered people into their sexual life.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:39:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So they should be called trans-exclusive lesbians. You should just be called a lesbian.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 17:25:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
But its not legitimate, at least in my view (im not trying to insult you or be an asshole, it's just that i dont get it). It's basically bisexual+ that includes trans people. Isnt it basically just preference? Like Im a straight dude that doesnt find overweight women and women that are higher them me attractive, but that doesnt make a new sexuality. Like if there is a PanStaightual that likes women+ overweight and tall. Isnt it basically the same thing?
Bisexuality only recognizes the gender binary (female and male). Pansexual includes people who do not subscribe to that gender binary system. It's founded on preference, yeah, but I wouldn't say it's quite as physical as the characteristics you're describing. The romantic and sexual attraction I feel isn't first screened through "is this person a man or a woman", it is instead screened through "is this person someone I could be close with"
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 21:08:27 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I dont quite get what you are saying. Im a straight dude and attractions i feel arent screened through "is this person a man or a woman". When it's a man i dont feel any sexual attraction to be screened through, i just dont feel anything like if you were talking about an animal, dog for example. Do you screen it as "Is this an human or a animal?", you dont, you are just not attracted to animals( im trying to put in terms we can both agree that are not attractive) . But when its a women then it goes through "is this person someone I could be close with". So i dont quite get what you were trying to say.
I'd like to point something out. I'm bisexual and I'm attracted to non-binary people, too. I'm just not fond of the "pansexual" label at all. Attraction to non-binary folks isn't limited to pansexuals.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 19:27:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Some people think this, but I do not. Some people do not recognize the possibility of genders outside the binary or some only want to date cisgendered individuals. It's a bit more complex that than but I think you get it.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 17:45:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Most people don't stipulate their sexual attraction with "except trans people, because I think they're icky". An MtF woman together with a man is considered a heterosexual relationship, imo.
You're correct! However, some people are tied strongly to their trans identity and although they identify as a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth (lets say at MtF), they still find the trans component necessary to their personhood as it represents their experience and helps them relate to other trans people.
"except trans people, because I think they're icky"
I don't think it's so much "icky" as much as it's "I'd rather be with a "real" man/woman". I don't know a way to phrase it that sounds less hateful. I bear no ill will to trans people, but I think they're kind of a grey zone.
Similar to bi, but bi limits to male and female as a criteria. Pansexual is hearts, not parts -- not liking people for what their is under their clothes, but liking them for their personality.
Bisexuality is an attraction to same and other genders. I'm bi. I didn't meet my husband and fall in love with his dick. This hearts not parts bullshit is fucking stupid lmao
Similar to bi, but bi limits to male and female as a criteria.
That depends on your definition. There really isn't a clear "rule" for what bisexual means. I personally use bisexual and pansexual pretty much interchangeable, because I think limiting bisexual to male and female seems a bit silly. Like another user says, it kinda gives a bad rep to people who call themselves bisexual - as if it implies that bisexual people in general aren't interested in transgendered folk.
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 21:03:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I mean, she has a youtube vlog series where she talks about her life, but if you're looking for porn, there are subreddits and websites for that sorta stuff.
Ukani · 18 points · Posted at 22:20:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
My god. If it wasnt for her voice I would never know she was a man. Thats probably the best transition Ive ever seen. Also I guess it helps that we only ever seen her from the chest up in her videos. Her hip game is probably lacking.
My brother had to come into my room to check if I was OK.
Mlahk7 · 1 points · Posted at 00:47:50 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)*
Please keep things civil here, folks.
Edit: This thread is now locked. We have no problem with people having opinions, but this isn't the place to have pointless, drawn out arguments. Go somewhere else if you want to debate.
There actually is a slight difference. Bi people are typically into men/women. Whereas Pansexual means that in addition to being Bi they are open to relationships with transexuals. It is actually a pretty significant difference.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 01:10:32 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
While some people that identify as pan would define things in this way, which is incredibly annoying, not all do and it's a useful term. If you're straight you just get to assume the opposite sex won't reject you for being male/female. If you're homosexual you can assume that lebians/gay people of the same sex won't reject you for being male/female. If you're trans, you pretty much just have to assume nobody, straight, gay/lesbian, or bi, is capable of being attracted to you unless they specifically mention it.
So what they go around asking people if they are pansexual before they can date or have sex instead of being open that they are transsexual and seeing who responds positively? I know I can't begin understand the struggles of being transsexual but this seems overly complicated.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:44:00 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Me personally I just test the waters and see if people are comfortable then tell them. It's really difficult living where I do, but I'd rather someone actually get to know me as a person before telling them I'm trans and being reduced to a one dimensional stereotype in most people's heads. I feel like if they know that beforehand, even if they're willing to give things a shot they're still going to filter everything past that through that lens.
This is just low effort bait. This is an issue that has nothing to do with me. But, to answer your completely misguided response, I don't care what happens between 2 consenting adults. And I will address anyone by how they identify.
Not even bait, you just worded it in a way that implies what I said. Bi people are attracted to men and women and pansexuals are in addition attracted to transsexuals which in this definition are completely excluded from the men and women groups. I don't look at a transsexual and see anything other than a man or woman, this pseudo third sex style of describing things doesn't work.
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 00:16:38 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Eh, not really. It is like any other term for sexual preference. I don't know why so many people are against it. Just let them do their thing, they aren't hurting anybody.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:04:50 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
There is a convention going on right now thats literally full of people who gather to spite the idea you just made.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 00:51:49 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Because if you believe that most of the new genders are stupid, it's an unnecessary term.
That is my entire point. Pansexuality is about being attracted to someone regardless of sex or gender identity. It is not some "new gender" as you call it.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 01:35:06 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Where the fuck did I ever call it a new gender, dumbass.
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 01:10:44 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, it's stupid because I do understand it. It's a bunch of whiny, mal-adjusted people attempting to garner attention by politicizing fake genders and demanding rights for a super-minority.
You obviously don't understand that most people not conforming to a traditional binary-gendered system have gone through years of self-loathing, confusion, and rejection. Their lives don't affect you at all, don't be a dick. Try to have a little perspective.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 01:33:58 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hah. You think they're the only people who fucking self-loathe? I'm the fucking king of self-loathing, but you don't see me dressing up like a caricature of a rave to garner attention.
They're not trying to garner attention, they're trying to find a phrase that accurately describes who they are. We can all tell you have no self-esteem; you're projecting like the damned king of self-loathing.
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 01:59:44 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Maybe not everyone in the world does things to try to piss you off or make you happy. Maybe to most people in this world, you don't matter. They have their own lives and their own goals and your opinion means nothing to them. I know its hard for you to understand that you're not the center of the universe, but you're not the center of the universe.
It's similar to Bisexuality, but Pansexuality differs from Bisexuality because the latter is often seen as constrained to the gender binary and doesn't implicitly include trans people.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 15:35:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So as opposed to being attracted to both sexes, you like all two of them. Got it.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 17:47:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, a lot of bi-sexuals are not attracted to trans people, just cis men and women. Those that are might want to use a word like pansexual so people know they include trans as well.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 17:48:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Love how people just assume that someone is part of a group just because they defend them.
Reminds me of /r/fatpeoplehate - everybody who spoke against them immediatly was a "hamplanet", no matter their weight. And now apparently I'm a "special snowflake" even though I'm as regular as they come.
There's this thing called empathy, maybe you should try it out some time.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 15:33:25 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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R/shitredditsays doesn't require np.reddit links, so when a circlejerky neo-prog follows a link from there, they can freely leave downvotes on comments they disagree with.
If any other sub did this, they'd probably be banned.
R/shitredditsays doesn't require np.reddit links, so when a circlejerky neo-prog follows a link from there, they can freely leave downvotes on comments they disagree with.
np doesn't prevent this. You can still downvote on np links. Further, the admins have repeatedly said they dislike np because it's a cheap hack of the site and ruins functionality of the site. They also have repeatedly said that SRS brigades no more than any other sub.
drivec · 1 points · Posted at 02:01:22 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm straight, but the high school football players call me gay.
[deleted] · -10 points · Posted at 15:22:36 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So you don't think a bunch of people who won't reproduce has anything to do with a birthrate less than 2.1? Only European and Asian countries have birthrate so low. The average Muslim birthrate is over 8.0, at least they are smart enough to preserve their people.
hamataro · 596 points · Posted at 15:34:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEWzJULJpeM
walkingtheriver · 187 points · Posted at 18:06:11 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I love this line.
Fun fact - it's a tribute to The Wire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLa5Bfw2cnA
hamataro · 24 points · Posted at 18:13:35 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's so good. I was rewatching it and kept seeing scenes that other shows would borrow or steal.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 01:43:57 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
A "tribute"
icepho3nix · 144 points · Posted at 16:15:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
"[Haiku] #ProudToBe [5]"
gravitationalBS · 49 points · Posted at 19:30:33 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
/u/Kmlkmljkl
Scruffynerffherder · 8 points · Posted at 17:19:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Let's make it happen people!
RealRickSanchez · 1 points · Posted at 01:21:01 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
With a big ass dick.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 21:59:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
ass-dick
xkcd, yadda yadda...
hungoverbear · 199 points · Posted at 14:23:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Ok where is the clip at the end of the video from?
Fraero · 434 points · Posted at 14:28:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/9-fFHZuIa40
ChildishForLife · 202 points · Posted at 23:25:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
"Look look, this my nigga jack"
Haha I lost it
[deleted] · 183 points · Posted at 17:07:42 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
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Fraero · 393 points · Posted at 18:21:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No that's young nigga
EMINEM_4Evah · 72 points · Posted at 20:55:14 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nah it's just Nigga now.
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 00:35:06 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
he not young no more
dillpickled1 · -3 points · Posted at 20:05:41 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, this is patrick
captainpoopoo · 2 points · Posted at 20:20:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I thought this was Patrick
[deleted] · 45 points · Posted at 17:28:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
From the show Loiter Squad. It's on hulu, it's kinda like jackass, it's OK from what I have seen of it.
CVance1 · 78 points · Posted at 20:11:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's original title was going to be Blackass
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 17:08:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yes.
komali_2 · 44 points · Posted at 20:38:25 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
How are they bleeping "fuck" but not "nigga?"
My_Knee_Grow · 112 points · Posted at 21:50:53 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bruh, have you ever watched Boondocks?
komali_2 · 25 points · Posted at 22:12:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
oh shit that's right
yea how the hell
An_Insane_Stork · 11 points · Posted at 23:38:12 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure most shows only get 1 f bomb a season. Archer is another good example.
SirNarwhal · 1 points · Posted at 00:49:28 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Cable has 0 restrictions on how many are said.
snoharm · 11 points · Posted at 01:59:52 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Legally, no. In practice, networks regulate themselves so as not to upset sponsors or draw the attention of the FCC.
Typicaldrugdealer · 15 points · Posted at 22:14:09 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Damn one legged scooter riding is no no joke mad respect
GrizzlyAdams90 · 6 points · Posted at 21:17:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Idk why, but I always lose it when he peeks over the stall.
[deleted] · 49 points · Posted at 14:29:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 35 points · Posted at 16:47:47 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
'This my nigga Jack, ay Jack'
ScramblesTD · 921 points · Posted at 15:55:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I also sexually identify as a nigga wit a rocket launcher.
Omnilatent · 87 points · Posted at 17:01:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Is that an innuendo?
ScramblesTD · 345 points · Posted at 17:03:25 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nope.
Ever since I was a child, when the other boys in the class were wearing t-shirts and blue jeans, I was wearing timberlands and carrying a AT4.
Omnilatent · 39 points · Posted at 17:10:43 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I feel you, that must have been pretty harsh.
DigNitty · 53 points · Posted at 18:11:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Many of the other parents wouldn't let their kids play with him, simply because of his identity.
bathroomstalin · 31 points · Posted at 20:00:42 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
They considered him dangerous just for being who he was :(
gogriz · 6 points · Posted at 01:09:55 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
In your endo
TaintFair · 399 points · Posted at 16:21:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
As someone who identifies as just a nigga with a rocket launcher, thank you. It means a lot that people are starting recognize that we do exist.
8MilesUphillBothWays · 242 points · Posted at 01:04:39 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Member of the LGBT-RPG community.
blickblocks · 1 points · Posted at 01:47:52 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm already LGBT. Do I just need an RPG to join then?
migvelio · 25 points · Posted at 16:44:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Rocket launcher nigga IAmA.
brodesto · 2 points · Posted at 00:33:41 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'ma a nigga that doesn't have a rocket launcher. Do you think niggas wit rocket launchers and niggas without launchers live together peacefully? I've aways been chill bout niggas wit rockets but sometimes I get jealous
knugeen · 422 points · Posted at 12:42:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
wtf is pansexual?
omfg, rip my inbox
[deleted] · 92 points · Posted at 16:42:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Kinda like this (NSFW)
le-imp · -2 points · Posted at 16:55:36 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I'm confused So would they fuck animals too ?
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[deleted] · 573 points · Posted at 13:02:55 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
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faiban · 65 points · Posted at 14:50:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Many definitions of bisexual include non-male/female attraction as well. Tbh I'm not sure of the distinction
NeMoubliezPas · 67 points · Posted at 14:55:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bisexual means attracted to more than one gender, pansexual means being attracted to someone regards of gender.
[deleted] · 38 points · Posted at 20:13:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
bisexual means attracted to both genders. bi=2
EliasKeller · 32 points · Posted at 15:45:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I guess "gender blind" would be correct
tsniaga · 19 points · Posted at 16:35:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Pansexual is a term invented by people who wanted to be more special snowflake than just bisexual.
Mzfuzzybunny · 75 points · Posted at 16:42:56 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
To be fair, though, I can see why some people make the distinction. I'm bisexual but only really interested in manly guys and extremely feminine women. Effeminate guys don't really do anything for me, same with butch women.
Sure, by definition they could mean the same thing, but "pansexual" gives a little more description and implies a more all-inclusive sexuality.
[deleted] · 111 points · Posted at 17:13:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yea but im a straight dude, that loves brunets, blonds are ok and overweight women dont do anything for me. Isn't it all just preference rather then a different sexuality?
BeatMastaD · 24 points · Posted at 00:00:01 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
If you want to create a community for that and name it then it 'counts'. It's just a term that people use to define themselves, mostly for their own benefit.
Some people really struggle with who or what traits they are attracted to, and so narrowing it down and defining it (in their own mind) makes it easier for them to reconcile and helps them to understand what makes them happy. Since they are defining themselves more specifically than most do, they tend to research and find communities, which is what creates these sort of definitions. It's similar to communities for 'rare' and specific fetishes like /r/holdthemoan or /r/Feet_NSFW do, except gender identity is something that's becoming less taboo to discuss in public.
Straight men who like blondes more than brunettes for instance don't tend to struggle to identify that or feel as alienated from the norm so it they don't really feel the need to define it further or create communities around that (though they still do, I'm sure reddit has some).
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:43:08 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I like this answer a lot. But can we then stop calling people bigots and transphobe's for finding this weird? I dont get called a bigot for thinking that Foot fetishes are disgusting and that i didnt put a guy with a foot fetishe in my film/video game, so why am i called a bigot if i think this shit is pointless and dumb?
BeatMastaD · 8 points · Posted at 02:00:01 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's an overreaction in response to a perceived (and somewhat justified) feeling of persecution.
Of course it's okay to disagree or find something weird. What isn't okay is to not take those feelings seriously and therefore discredit the other persons feelings.
i.e. Thinking trans people are weird is okay, marginalizing or trivializing their feelings is not.
It's the same for other things as well. By accusing anyone who points out statistical flaws in the black community of being racist, you shut down any dialogue to be had and close off the path towards solving those issues that disproportionately affect that community. Just the same, accusing someone of being homophobic or bigoted for personally disagreeing with gender identities closes off discussion and therefore any chance of reconciliation, understanding, or education.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:05:52 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I agree with everything you said. Today's society really wants to be seen as progressive to an extent that it's even doing a disservice to the communities they want (or just be seen like they want) to help. Im just glad this SJW movement didnt exist 5 years ago when i was a homophobe. I would have never changed my mind.
[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 17:36:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You are a brownsexual, embrace it. The blondsexual community won't be mad, I swear.
Mzfuzzybunny · 5 points · Posted at 19:04:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I can kind of understand that argument, but all words are all descriptors. Things are rarely cut and dry, especially when it comes to sexualities. You can be straight with bisexual tendencies, or straight "except I make out with girls when I get drunk," etc. We like to think of things like "bisexual" as all-encompassing terms, but the reality is sexuality runs on a spectrum and sometimes it makes more sense to use a different word that clarifies it better than the catch-all "bisexual."
That being said, you can argue on the validity of "pansexual" as a term in itself, but the existence of sexuality outside of straight/gay/bi makes some sense to me.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 19:31:12 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Sure i get what you are saying. It's just that you call it sexuality and i call it personality/preference. Like straight/gay/bi are core/basic ones in which we all belong, but preference comes in narrows the choices. The only argument left is how you personally feel on the subject. To me calling those sexuality's is dumb and pointless but you disagree which is ok. As they say "You cant please everyone."
Jeanpuetz · 8 points · Posted at 17:44:31 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Maybe. But what difference does it make? People like to label themselves to find their own identity.
Does it affect you in any way that people call themselves pansexual? Why is pansexual a problem but homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual and asexual isn't?
Just live and let live.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 18:11:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Because others have a point, by your logic pansexual is not different then Emo or Goth, in other words, im not obliged to respect it and i can see it as stupid as i see those two.
undercoverhugger · 8 points · Posted at 21:52:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You aren't obligated to respect anything anyways. Tolerance is more than enough and is actually achievable. Sorry this is how it is.
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 22:37:19 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I am tolerant to it, because i see it as stupid and no point in getting worked up about it. I will make fun of it as any other thing and i wont treat it as something special like they want to present it.
Zekeachu · 0 points · Posted at 19:55:15 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Sexuality is a lot weirder and full of gray areas than you give it credit for. The lines between preference and sexuality are kinda blurry, especially once you start to consider gender as a spectrum. If you're a guy and sexually attracted to women... including pre-transition trans women, are you straight? Bisexual? Something not well-defined between the two?
I think most people agree that things like 'sapiosexual' are misguided attempts to co-opt the LGBT movement, but even when we're specifically talking about gender, sex, and attraction, you still can't easily boil it down to hetero/bi/homosexual. People sometimes use andro/gynosexual to specifically define being attracted to a particular sex, as opposed to being attracted to the "opposite" or "same" sex, which is particularly useful for trans people.
We all use labels to accurately define ourselves to ourselves and others, why would you consider yourself the arbiter of what people should and should not label themselves?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:53:19 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
First i think you made a mistake here:
I think you meant trans men, because why would a straight guy be attracted to pre-transition trans woman which is basically just a man. If you are attracted to a pre-transition trans woman then you are not straight.
The whole argument boils down to you see those as sexuality i see them as preferences. Like example, im a straight dude and i could never in my life be with a trans woman. I even had chases where i found them attractive until i found out that they are in fact trans. I've heard argument on how thats transphobic an what not but the matter of fact is im just not attracted to them. It makes me feel weird and uncomfortable and any attraction i had to her ,prior knowing shes trans, is gone. But there are straight men that dont care about that and are still attracted to those trans women. To you thats a different sexuality, to me it's just a straight dude with less restrictions.
This is the thing i dont get about a lot of people today. Why do you need to put your self in boxes? Sexuality is such a small part of you life and who you are. Through majority of your life it's insignificant it's forgettable. I see it as if some one asked me what kind of food do i like and instead of saying i like mexican or chinese, i start naming all the food that i like. The food that i like does indeed define me but numbering all the food i like is pointless and matter of fact, nobody cares.
I do not, no body is the arbiter. It's just my two cents on the topic. But the matter is I and majority of people will still see it as an Emo Goth label as in stupid, because i am an arbiter of my opinions.
Zekeachu · 2 points · Posted at 21:13:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, you mostly got my point there! A pre-transition trans woman is, in body, pretty much a man, yeah. But they may act, dress like, and present as a woman. And an otherwise straight man my find themselves attracted to that, but not cis men who are men in body, clothes, demeanor, etc. Straight wouldn't be the correct label for that. But neither would bisexual.
I'm not saying people in that position need to find an accurate label. If we tried to label every sexual orientation, we'd have millions of them. But by insisting on the hetero/bi/homosexual boxes, people with sexualities that do not fit into those boxes (a surprisingly large amount of people) are kinda trivialized and made to feel like their nuanced sexuality is somehow wrong.
If anything, the whole pansexual thing is for the dissolution of the 3 hetero/bi/homo boxes we have now. It should be okay to say that you're bisexual, asexual, pansexual, androsexual, "i dunno i just think people are pretty sometimes"-sexual, or whatever. But as we are now, people expect people to fit within those 3 boxes, some people can have very narrow definitions of those boxes, and react with hostility to people who don't fall into them.
Of course to the grand majority of people we encounter, we'll never have to tell them anything about our sexuality. People don't wear identifying pins around (except maybe activists but that's different). But it should be okay to talk with friends about how we're pansexual or kinda-sorta straight or whatever we are.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:36:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
But bisexual would be correct label, at least thats how i see it. As a straight dude im not attracted to all women. There are women that are snobs, slobs or just plane bitches and i am i no way attracted to them. So if a guy doesnt like your regular guy but likes more feminine dudes thats just bisexual with a preference.
But we do fit in just one of these boxes. Like i said in the other comment chain : Like straight/gay/bi are core/basic ones in which we all belong, but preference comes in narrows the choices.
People react with hostility to almost anything. This will not stop as long as humans exist. The best action to take is avoid them.
Is this sorta straight equivalent to talking about what you like in a guy/girl, aka preferences?
Zekeachu · 1 points · Posted at 21:56:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This theoretical guy would probably disagree with that label. He's attracted to cis women and trans women, not men. It doesn't matter how you see it, honestly. It matters how they see it and you should respect it.
Except plenty of people are saying that these boxes are not representative of how they feel. Sure, if they want to, they could define themselves as 'straight but okay with trans women too', but they might also feel like 'straight' is too far off. We used to (and still do kinda) think that people fit neatly into the 2 gendered boxes of male and female, but the increasing realizations of gender as a spectrum and that sex and gender can be mismatched shows that it doesn't quite work.
I mean, that's all well and good if you're not the one experiencing the hostility. Avoidance is not the best action. Educating people and socially shutting out people who stick to old, hateful, and repressive ideas is how we actually get society to change.
It's kinda similar. People talk about everything and anything. Like I said, sexuality and preference have a bit of a blur when it comes to treating gender and sexuality as spectrums.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:26:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The 1st two paragraphs can we summed up with people can be wrong. If he likes women and pre-transition trans women he in matter of fact is bi doesnt matter if he identifies because by describing his attraction as such, he immediately belongs in that group, no matter if he likes it or not. I cant say im gay, but im only attracted to women. Thats not how words and definitions work. We have words to ease communication and understanding. By going against the words you are just confusing people around you. Let me give a drastic hyperbolic example. If a KKK member identifies as tolerant and not racist. Is he correct? No of course not, he can identify any way he likes but it does not make it correct.
I dont know where to begin with this, from whats the purpose of the word gender. It might be a language barrier but in my language we dont have a word for gender we just have sex. Why does word gender even exist? In majority of chases it synonymous to sex exempt in 1% for trans people which are people that are born one sex and feel that they are the other. Gender as a spectrum is just mumbo jumbo to me. Gender fluid- some times they identifies as male some times as female, what the fuck does that even mean? I've been male my whole life and not once did i feel like a "male", i dont even know the meaning of it. Majority experiences of Gender fluid people i've read are just sexist stupidness that they named a gender. Usual explanations are some times i feel feminine some times i feel masculine, some times i feel like wearing pants and some times i feel like wearing a dress. Im a straigh cis male and i fucking felt feminine and masculine those are called emotion... as in stereotypical femininity i felt emotional and in stereotypical masculanity i felt macho. Cross dressing has nothing to do with gender nor sexuality...
There is no human that never experienced hostility. Everyone did for one thing or another. Educating people is good to make a change, shutting out people is a good way to make enemies, in other words i dont think thats a good thing to do.
It really does not have a blur. You just see it like that for some reason. Because they are not spectrums. People are spectrums as in their personalities and choices they make but that does not affect gender nor sexuality. You keep intertwining the two for some reason. Like if you are gay, you can be either flamboyant or act like regular man, it does not change your sexuality neither does being attracted to one of those.
Zekeachu · 1 points · Posted at 00:00:51 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Definition of bisexual:
You'd have to believe that trans women are men for him to be bisexual. You can choose to believe that it's the case, but you'd be wrong from many angles.
Language is imperfect. We didn't have a word to describe people who go to space, until we decided to cobble together "astronaut" from words we already had. Likewise, gender/sex used to pretty much be synonyms in english. Now we're realizing there is a distinction between biological sex, and how people experience gender as a social construct. To eliminate this confusion people use "gender identity" instead sometimes.
Well, neurologists and sociologists are increasingly discovering that the brain structures and societal conditions that work together to produce our gender identity can produce results very much on a spectrum. Most of us fall so close to the extreme of the spectrum that coincides with our biological sex that we're very much comfortable being cisgender men/women without even thinking about it. Some people fall on the opposite end of their sex. This is being transgender. Some people fall somewhere too far from either extreme to feel comfortable being men or women. This is where genderfluid/agender/bigender/genderqueer people fall in general. These are all just different expressions of being in the middle of the spectrum.
Now this is where, as a cis man I can't speak first hand, but I'll do the best I can anyway. Being genderfluid is very much different from just feeling masculine or feminine. Someone can be an incredibly feminine man but still identify as a man on all levels. It's not just emotions, it's really deep complex brain chemistry falling between the two extremes of male and female brain activity leading people to feel male at some points and female at other points. I cannot stress enough that it's more than just feelings. People experience intense anxiety, depression, and end up killing themselves because they can't reconcile their mid-spectrum gender identity with their sex.
If you discover a friend of yours is racist, do you tell them that's fucked up and distance yourself from them? That's kinda what I meant.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:29:41 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)*
We were talking about pre-transition trans women which are just men physically, if hes attracted to a trans women hes just a more (how should i put it) open straight guy because she post transition has womenlly features. I for example could never be with a trans woman, Im just not attracted to them no matter how passing they are.
I still dont understand what gender is. For astronaut you explained that we needed the word for it, i dont understand whats the need for the word gender, when i learned English i thought that it's just another word for sex but now i keep hearing gender=/=sex so i dont know what gender is anymore. Is there a purpose for the word gender other then for that 1% that dont feel like their sex?
So why do we treat it as normal, or even worse a trend (many teens that are confused enough from their hormones are now jumping on this) Example . The real ones need medical help and/or therapy, but they are in vast minority even in their communities. Their communities have been hijacked by Narcissistic people and confused/socially awkward teens.
I in matter of fact have a friends that is racist and that say dumb racist things. I always call him on it and prove him wrong on the spot. Just because one thing we dont agree on doesnt mean we cant be friends, and it just so happeneds that he is an idiot on said topic. A lot of my friends are homophobic too (living in a country where this is ok) some of them i changed their opinons, others i didnt even want to try. I used to be homophobic my self, do you think it would have been a good idea to shut me off? Instead of leveling with me on the topic that you just called me a homophobe and shut me off? You would have just inforced my opinion. You have to teach people on certain topics not attack them/demonize them or call them bigots. People will not change their minds if attacked.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:53:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So don't bang them then. Problem solved.
xXsnip_ur_ballsXx · 8 points · Posted at 17:28:42 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'd say that you just have personal preferences when selecting sexual partners.
BeatMastaD · 1 points · Posted at 00:01:28 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yeah, like having no preference regarding gender, AKA being pansexual.
hbgoddard · 2 points · Posted at 20:10:36 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So should there be a different word for heterosexuals that aren't attracted to all personality types of the opposite sex?
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 17:45:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, a lot of bi-sexuals are not attracted to trans people, just cis men and women. Those that are might want to use a word like pansexual so people know they include trans as well.
WontonDesire · 9 points · Posted at 20:17:22 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nah. The vast majority of transgender males and transgender females choose to not go through "sex change" surgery. Most go through hormone treatment, but still have their biological sex organs. A bisexual person may not be okay with a physically appearing woman with a penis, or a physically appearing man with a vagina.
Pansexual are different in that we have the capacity to find anyone attractive, regardless of what sexual organs they have. This also applies to androgenous looking people.
A huge portion of the LGBT community only believes in two genders. Male and Female. A transgender man, is male. A transgender female is female. An a-gender person is neither, and a gender fluid (although I have not seen any science to back up its validity), would fluctuate between male and female.
Only two genders.
tsniaga · 6 points · Posted at 21:53:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nothing about bisexual implies non-attraction to trans individuals. Well, except people who insist that pansexual is different somehow and make up their own silly shit because it's more specialer.
miniflip · -5 points · Posted at 19:22:25 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Fuck outta here with that TiA willfully ignorant shit.
tsniaga · 6 points · Posted at 19:39:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's hilarious.
devotedpupa · -1 points · Posted at 18:57:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
It's more the opposite. It's "I'm also into special snowflakes". Bi people who date the "gender is not a thing" types. And that is actually useful for shit like OKCupid accounts in cities or stuff like that
alexropo · -2 points · Posted at 16:39:31 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
A guy who's attracted to girls and not men, but would still have sex with men for pleasure is considered pansexual, I believe?
tsniaga · 2 points · Posted at 16:40:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, that's something else.
SafariDesperate · 0 points · Posted at 16:42:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
If he's not attracted to men at all he wouldn't have sex with them for pleasure. Pansexual was invented for people who could get aroused by non-anthropomorphic things like sofas and doors.
alexropo · 7 points · Posted at 17:10:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
like pans?
BobbyAyalasGhost · 1 points · Posted at 17:27:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
lol
SafariDesperate · 1 points · Posted at 20:35:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yes.
Poke493 · 1 points · Posted at 19:41:28 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I know there are people out there who "identify" as things that aren't even real, like fantasy creatures or whatever. Would pan people fall under being attracted to them, or is there another term for that?
NeMoubliezPas · 8 points · Posted at 23:17:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You're talking about otherkin. Otherkin is not really a gender most the time. It's more like what we think of furry culture. It's more of a persona. However I'd say if someone did identity it with their gender identity id fit under pan
skywreckdemon · 7 points · Posted at 01:18:46 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Some people, like myself, technically are "pansexual" but really don't like the label. I prefer "bisexual".
Mechalibur · 16 points · Posted at 16:21:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'd say it's a subset of bisexual, because if someone says they're bisexual it doesn't automatically mean they aren't attracted to transgender or intersex people.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:45:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bi=2 pan=all/every
Dr_King_Schultz · 159 points · Posted at 13:07:47 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There's more genders besides trans, male, and female?!
comix_corp · 157 points · Posted at 15:28:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Trans isn't a gender
Crazybonbon · -12 points · Posted at 21:27:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I actually said the opposite of what I meant..oops. :(
BeatMastaD · 32 points · Posted at 00:03:02 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's not. Trans people are transgender, meaning their genitals and body do not match the gender they are psychologically.
Charles_Chuckles · 209 points · Posted at 13:10:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm not really an expert, but there is a-gender, gender fluid etc. Pansexual also refers to being attracted to all different types of sexual orientations.
GaryLOL · 419 points · Posted at 13:27:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
does this include being attracted to an attack helicopter?
OldOrder · 784 points · Posted at 16:44:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I sexually Identify as an unoriginal joke. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of surfing reddit dropping shitposts and derailing actual conversation. People say to me that this has been really going on for far too long and and it trivialises gender identity but I don’t care, I'm a massive asshole. I’m having a plastic surgeon install a mountain dew dispenser, a catheter and and a poop shoot on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Logical Gamer” and respect my right to freeze peach. If you can’t accept me you’re a god damn tumblirina sjw cultural marxist liberal and you triggered lol?. Thank you for being so understanding.
sammanzhi · -55 points · Posted at 19:03:56 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
You mad about old memes though?
EDIT: Since I'm being downvoted so much, I'd just like to take this time to say "fuck your mother."
OldOrder · 115 points · Posted at 19:06:53 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
What in Elbereth's name did you just fucking say about me, you little orc? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Rangers, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Mordor, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in elven warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire Gondor armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. By Durin's beard, I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Eä, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the palantir? Think again, dung-filth. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across Valinor and your spirit is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, wyrm. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, orc. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of Mirkwood, Rivendell and Lothlorien and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of Middle Earth, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you fool of an orc. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, orc.
TrippingOnAlkali · 566 points · Posted at 15:18:01 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Haha, funny unique joke there
[deleted] · -54 points · Posted at 15:27:01 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
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[deleted] · 104 points · Posted at 15:32:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Why do you hate it so much when people are happy and can express themselves?
[deleted] · 112 points · Posted at 15:46:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
God, fuck those people for doing what they want in a way which doesn't affect me! What a bunch of assholes!
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TrippingOnAlkali · 22 points · Posted at 15:39:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Exactly. It's not hurting anyone.
Cattywampus · -34 points · Posted at 18:50:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Do you think a person suffering from schizophrenia is hurting themselves? Do you know the suicide rate of post op trans people? It's a mental disorder that society is celebrating, much to the detriment of those who 'identify' as being a certain way. This lifestyle is then packaged and sold to America as a virtue so that kids who feel 'different' have something to latch onto. But please, continue to celebrate this insanity like a good robot that accepts any social deviation as good and valid despite strong evidence to the contrary.
Herebedragons59 · 22 points · Posted at 19:19:47 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I love when people trot out the post op suicide rates thing, like it's not based on a single study which found that post op trans suicide attempt rates are only slightly higher than the general population (I think like, 3% vs 1%? Can't really remember the specifics), compared to around 50% for pre-op trans people. But please, don't let facts get in the way of your bigoted rant.
Cattywampus · -17 points · Posted at 20:01:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Actually it's not bigotry, in fact I think I care more about trans people than you do. You want them to suffer, I want them to get help. But please, don't let critical thinking get in the way of your sadistic world view.
Herebedragons59 · 19 points · Posted at 20:22:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Ah, yes, I'm sure you know better than all the psychiatrists and doctors who seem to think transitioning is the best cure for gender dysphoria. Let alone that whole 'suicide rates plummeting after surgery' thingy. Best ignore all that so you can pretend your transphobia is 'for their own good', right?
Cattywampus · -12 points · Posted at 22:04:35 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
suicide rates skyrocket.
source?
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 22:46:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The DSM-5. Aka what psychologists/psychiatrists/doctors/the entire medical field uses to diagnose and cure anything involving the inner workings of the brain.
Cattywampus · -1 points · Posted at 23:18:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
it doesnt say that
from the dsm-5 "When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition"
lists counseling as the first priority.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 23:42:27 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You should read the actual DSM-5 and not whatever you got that from. You get counseling for a minimum of 3 months until they can determine if you actually have gender dysphoria, and then they assign HRT as the treatment.
Glassle · 1 points · Posted at 23:47:28 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is his source I assume.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:06:02 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
That source isn't there to talk about the symptom. Its there to talk about why they changed it from Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria from the DSM-4 to the DSM-5
Herebedragons59 · 5 points · Posted at 23:48:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yeah, it's the first priority because it's the most important short term to lower suicide rates. The fact GRS is still on there should give you a clue that maybe they do in fact think it's a viable treatment...do you have any opposing sources at all?
Glassle · 3 points · Posted at 23:46:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Just because it's the first mentioned doesn't mean that it's the top priority.
ramblingpariah · 15 points · Posted at 20:51:36 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The problem is that you assume they need help because they're trans, as opposed to needing help because of the way that they feel they are viewed and treated by others around them.
Comparing schizophrenia to gender dysphoria shows a remarkable amount of ignorance on the topic of disorders - it's not leading them to self-harm and suicide; the lack of acceptance and the cruel way that many of them are marginalized and mistreated, however, causes strain and a whole host of mental issues, which can lead to self-harm and suicide as a last-resort of relief.
Cattywampus · -3 points · Posted at 22:06:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
obvious straw man and semantics. youre so obsessed with the transphobia narrative you don't even seem to grasp my original point.
devotedpupa · 5 points · Posted at 22:56:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There is nothing to grasp from your original point BUT transphobia, so it's not surprising /u/ramblingpariah fails at doing so.
It's just empty rhetoric, misunderstood and misquoted science and failure to change your point of view in the face of contradicting evidence AND personal experiences.
Cattywampus · -2 points · Posted at 23:06:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
you havent presented any evidence. you think you have the moral highground because you hide behind buzz words like transphobia, because you dont actually have an argument or evidence. kind of funny to read your responses.
devotedpupa · 2 points · Posted at 23:19:55 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The entire American Psychological Association can handle the evidence for me.
ramblingpariah · 4 points · Posted at 01:06:24 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
You say "straw man," but your statement indicates you have no idea what that means. I didn't respond to things you didn't say (nor invent things you didn't say and argue against those), but to things you actually said. You should probably figure out what "straw man" refers to before throwing it out there like you know what you're talking about.
It's not semantics - you flat-out stated that you want them to get help, but you've made it abundantly clear that the help you want is for them to be "cured" of their trans nature, which isn't the help that anyone with actual psych knowledge or training would be likely to recommend. You're the worst kind of ignorant - someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, but is completely convinced that they do.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 17:18:36 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Because it personally affects him!... Somehow?
OfficialRambi · 12 points · Posted at 16:03:27 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I mean, I don't think he explicitly hates it, he just thinks is silly and immature, which I would say honestly, to an extent it could be. I thought the whole point of understanding gender was just to know which pronouns to use, when people start inventing pronouns then it's just messing with our language for no real reason other than to be different. I will use he/him she/her and that's it honestly. I'm not going to start using non-existent pronouns to accommodate a absolute minuscule practically non-existent portion of a population that I have never met and likely never will. Trans people I can sympathize with, 0.3% of the US is still a tiny population but large enough that you can give them respect by using the pronouns (trans-woman is a she, trans-man is a he) they desire. I mean, it's not a big deal, I honestly couldn't give a shit.
MildlyAgitatedBidoof · 18 points · Posted at 17:40:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Honestly, if you don't go explicitly looking for the weirdos? 98% of people will probably be fine with they/them.
OfficialRambi · 1 points · Posted at 19:07:43 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Well yeah of course, it's also easy to use if you are unsure which they prefer.
[deleted] · -19 points · Posted at 16:20:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I know right? It bugs me when people say demi-Boeing 747-queer isn't a real gender! It's my life CHOICE to be what I am.
LassieBeth · 8 points · Posted at 17:21:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Here we are with the strawman again.
[deleted] · -14 points · Posted at 17:35:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hey, I identify as a "demi-Airbus 380 with the left wing kinda broken and a family of 8 living in it-queer" and it also bugs me when people say it's not a real gender!
Murasasme · -22 points · Posted at 15:44:47 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I don't think its hate, its just that they overcomplicate shit too much, that is why a lot of people think they are weird. When they invent a dozen gender pronouns, and 20 different definitions for their sexuality people aren't sure wtf is going on. Specially when they always say they hate labels, yet they come up with new ones every day.
[deleted] · 21 points · Posted at 15:49:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You JUST hated on it. Whats the point in getting worked up over something that doesn't effect you?
Murasasme · -9 points · Posted at 17:02:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Why is it hate? If you critizice something that doesn't mean you hate it. I have no hate towards people that have different sexualities or gender, but you just prove my point, if I don't keep up with all that stuff and find it confusing I'm labeled a hater even though I just don't understand that world and hope it didn't get even more confusing every day.
Hitandrun127 · 11 points · Posted at 18:33:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
If you don't understand it why are you trying to criticize it?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 23:41:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
He's criticizing it TO understand it. He has questions and wonders about them, and when he asks them it doesn't get answered, only thrown aside and told that questioning this is bigotry.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 23:40:27 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Actually, it's simple. SRS is brigading the thread (explicitly against reddit rules, btw), and trying to shove their ideology down other people's throats. Anyone who asks questions is a bigot and should be murdered if the OH SO TOLERANT FOLKS are in a good mood.
SafariDesperate · -6 points · Posted at 16:44:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It affects everyone browsing the internet and the people behind it deserve mockery.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 22:09:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
so brave
iNVWSSV · -6 points · Posted at 15:55:12 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It is fucking retarded, but I don't really care enough to try to make them feel bad. I just laugh instead.
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Omnilatent · 88 points · Posted at 13:59:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
If the attack helicopter happens to be a human being: yes.
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cosmic_boredom · 32 points · Posted at 18:06:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I love lamp, for instance.
BeatMastaD · 20 points · Posted at 00:04:03 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Just because medical procedures haven't been available for people to transition doesn't mean there haven't been trans people in the past.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:08:56 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Just because trans people existed in the past doesn't mean they were prevalent.
BeatMastaD · 10 points · Posted at 00:15:30 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
They are not even prevalent now.
kauneus · 31 points · Posted at 18:07:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
obviously this is a low effort shitpost, but on the off chance you (or anyone else reading this) are interested in reading about some ways gender noncomformity is or has been expressed in various cultures/historical settings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
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[deleted] · -10 points · Posted at 14:14:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
What an original joke
Photo_Evangelist · 97 points · Posted at 16:25:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Really? Even this sub isn't safe from this stupid fucking joke that's been beat to the ground?
samusarans · 72 points · Posted at 18:56:15 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is /r/youtubehaiku. This whole sub is built on jokes that have been beat into the ground
terusama · 10 points · Posted at 20:42:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It didn't used to be.
teh_bakedpotato · 52 points · Posted at 22:27:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/xtf3Ihw
SafariDesperate · -23 points · Posted at 16:46:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Please enter your safe space.
Nothing can harm you in there.
None of the mean internet bullies can hurt you now.
Photo_Evangelist · 37 points · Posted at 16:48:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm not saying anything about it offending me. It's just not a funny joke.
Possible_Novelty · -23 points · Posted at 17:27:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
We're really lucky to have you here to tell us what is funny and what isn't.
stupidrobots · 31 points · Posted at 14:17:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
If you're not sexually attracted to attack helicopters then what the fuck is even wrong with you
Kvlter · 14 points · Posted at 15:06:11 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Like christ, who isn't. Mmmh, those AGM-114 Hellfire missiles...
stupidrobots · 20 points · Posted at 15:27:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hot girthy missiles
The_Nightster_Cometh · 3 points · Posted at 17:19:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'd like you to put your payload in my cargo bay. ;)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:30:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm all about that crocodile look of the Hind.
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ArchangellePepe · 33 points · Posted at 19:35:09 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
bleep bloop here they come
devotedpupa · 6 points · Posted at 22:59:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT that username was free? My god.
Empanser · 0 points · Posted at 21:20:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Fuck SRS
Transgendered_Kitten · 3 points · Posted at 16:29:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
What is it called if attack helicopters are the only thing you are attracted to?
[deleted] · -6 points · Posted at 15:37:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
People who identify as attack helicopters are offended by you calling them human, shitlord.
ChrisBabyYea · -3 points · Posted at 17:48:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The attack helicopter nonsense is akin (pun intended) to having an imaginary friend as a child, and yes, the overwhelming majority of "kin" folks are in fact 12 and under.
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SafariDesperate · 0 points · Posted at 16:47:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I honestly don't get why this less than 1% of the population is suddenly a protected species. Maybe trans people need to stop having paper skin and actually stand up for themselves. Instead of crying over pronouns and other such nonsense.
Enleat · 10 points · Posted at 16:58:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
We're more likely to be murdered, assaulted, abused, raped and commit suicide than the general population and we have a shorter life expectancy. We're also targeted and ostracised from LGBT spaces dominated by cis men and women.
We're in no way protected and are seriously struggling to attain equal rights. We have to fight to piss in public bathrooms. How is that a 'protected species' that can't be safe in broad daylight from attack and isn't represented in the political system?
We do, we have been since the 60's and older than that, and we've been murdered and abused for it.
Misgendering trans people by using the wrong pronouns has been connected to high suicide rates of trans people. It is a major cause of our problems and we encounter it daily. It is literally denying us who we are as people.
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SafariDesperate · -5 points · Posted at 20:24:15 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
As a people being mentally weak-willed is a theme.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 17:54:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
a-gender: neither male nor female. Gender fluid: fluctuates between male and female. Still just the two.
devotedpupa · 24 points · Posted at 19:00:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's really just saying gender is not a binary, but a sliding scale, like sexuality itself (Read about Kinsey scale, the "How gay are you" sliding scale that's been there since the 40's)
[deleted] · 19 points · Posted at 19:23:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Not binary yet a sliding scale between exactly two points?
devotedpupa · 12 points · Posted at 19:37:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Some would argue no, but outside academia, sure. At least for now. 21st century gender is hugely influenced by biological sex, and even though there are things like intersex, male and female are 2 points.
[deleted] · 37 points · Posted at 00:15:51 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
In my opinion, all the "new genders" are equally stupid as they're based solely on pre-conceived notions of masculinity and femininity. And those are often argued by people who, hypocritically support the notion of "breaking down gender stereotypes."
Staplingdean · 31 points · Posted at 00:58:21 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I know what you mean. I'm biologically male, and I can't imagine not identifying as a man, because I don't really think I've ever felt like or unlike a man in the first place. I've never felt like it's wrong for someone to call me "him" or that it's right for someone to call me "him." I'm fine with being called a man and also not fulfilling every manly stereotype.
But some people aren't fine with that. Some people just feel wrong being called by their birth gender, and they feel wrong being called by the opposite one. And what can people like you and me say about that? I can't tell someone their feelings are wrong. I can't tell someone I know the inner workings of their mind better than they do, because I really don't.
For those people identifying with non-binary genders, as confusing as that may be to me, I really don't have the authority to shut down how someone else feels about who they are.
And maybe it sort of strengthens gender stereotypes. But nobody's telling me I have to be more manly if I identify as male, and nobody's telling me I must not be a man if I don't fulfill every male gender stereotype. As long as they're fine with me living how I want to, I'll do my best to support them. I'll use their pronouns and try my best to understand.
TLDR: Eh. Live and let live. Life's too short to be a jerk to someone about something I can't understand.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:08:49 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, I believe I understand it fully. It's people deluding themselves to attempt to stand out, and be unique because they want to rebel against normality for the sake of political rebellion. There's no honesty. It's not genuine. The new genders are based on the idea of standing out. That's what I can say about people who identify as non-binary genders.
Staplingdean · 13 points · Posted at 01:24:51 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's such a cold, untrusting way to view other people, to say that they're liars and you know better.
Do you know any people who identify as non-binary? You might find that a lot of them are a lot like any other person.
I really don't get the argument that they're trying to seek attention. If they gain acceptance, they get to live normal lives, not really even getting much attention. And if they don't gain acceptance, they're getting scoffed at by people like you, and why would anyone want that attention?
[deleted] · -7 points · Posted at 01:37:05 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
People who make the mistake of trusting anyone in this world are imbeciles. You can only trust yourself. So yeah, I really do think they're lying.
The argument is it's not about acceptance, it's only because they want to be unique.
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izath46 · 8 points · Posted at 13:42:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
What do you mean buy "cis"? I keep hearing that word but I haven't found what it means.
[deleted] · 44 points · Posted at 14:49:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Cis means that a person's gender identity aligns with their assigned sex. It comes from the latin prefix 'cis-' which means 'on the same side as' as opposed to 'trans' which means 'across from.'
memememeeeeee · 97 points · Posted at 14:05:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It just means "not trans."
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 15:32:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It means you identify as a man internally and externally.
FgtBruceCockstar2008 · 2 points · Posted at 00:21:15 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
What a monster
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 14:35:53 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There's cis white male but I've also heard of fucking white male, any idea what that is?
Charker · 49 points · Posted at 14:59:33 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
WHITE MALE
HOLY GRAIL
SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 16:01:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Fuckin' Mastadon, bruh
kitton_mittons · -1 points · Posted at 19:24:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nice out-of-order lyrics
quaybored · -8 points · Posted at 14:57:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Also it means, "I have a tumblr page"
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quaybored · 12 points · Posted at 15:59:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Heh, I touched a sore spot. Actually do I know there's a lot of decent porn on there too.
devotedpupa · 1 points · Posted at 19:08:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I know this is the common response to being called out on Tumblr hate but I also find it surprisingly hard to find the actually good porn.
I rather use reddit subs who search Tumblr for me and show the best of it.
quaybored · 2 points · Posted at 19:12:41 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yeah I never search on tumblr. Just sometimes find a link to some tumbr page that has a collection of images.
devotedpupa · 2 points · Posted at 19:14:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Or just get spoonfed porn. I swear 70% of Tumblr followers are porn accounts.
bigbluethunder · 11 points · Posted at 16:32:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Your self-identified gender aligns with your physical sex.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 16:33:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Cisgendered, as in a gender identity matching your genitals.
EgoandDesire · 26 points · Posted at 13:45:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The opposite of trans. Basically a normal person.
BlueSoup10 · 44 points · Posted at 13:53:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
'Normal' isn't generally used in these situations because it implies that not being cis is abnormal which can make people feel excluded
EgoandDesire · 130 points · Posted at 13:57:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Except being trans is abnormal. Less than 1% of the population is trans. That is the very definition of abnormal.
Kernunno · 24 points · Posted at 18:45:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yeah but so is being white, but no one calls being white abnormal
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:01:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Depends on the context/demographic of a region. It's perfectly "normal" to see a white person in northern Europe, while people in southeast Asia will take pictures with a black man because it's so unusual.
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Kernunno · 13 points · Posted at 21:03:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Right, so white people are abnormal
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The problem is that when you call trans people 'abnormal' it pathologises us and gives people free reign to discount us and our rights because we're 'a statistic abnormality'.
And don't fucking tell me it doesn't happen, it does. I see this shit on reddit constantly.
'Trans people are fewer than 1%, we shouldn't prioritise their rights'.
Just fuck off with this.
Here are some definitions that shows it's usually considered a negative thing:
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 16:02:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Things that are abnormal aren't inherently bad though.
Enleat · 10 points · Posted at 16:08:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Of course they aren't, but do you think most people recognise this? How many times have you seen the term 'abnormal' or the phrase 'this isn't normal' used to bully and harras LGBT people?
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 20:58:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I have seen that, it's been directed towards me, and whoever uses that as an argument is not worth interacting with.
ScramblesTD · -4 points · Posted at 16:39:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's an...interesting way to respond when confronted with a factual statement.
Enleat · 8 points · Posted at 16:45:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
I was talking about this bullshit argument.
tabletop1000 · 56 points · Posted at 15:54:53 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Why use "abnormal"? It has a very clear negative connotation attached to it.
What if you were heavily overweight, or underweight, or very short, or very tall, or had a genetic disease, or were an ethnic or religious minority where you live? Would you want to be called abnormal?
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 20:57:06 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm abnormally short for my age and sex. I have been called as such before. Whether I want people to call me that is irrelevant, as they're right, I am abnormally short. If I cared, I could tell them not to call me that, but A: it would just give me weird looks and alienate people and B: it would never stop. It's best just to embrace it and instead try to change the more damaging things like depression and low life expectancy.
Wyzegy · 16 points · Posted at 16:20:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Maybe have the presence of mind to know that you are abnormal and not give a fuck about what people say?
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What you want doesn't change facts.
tabletop1000 · 5 points · Posted at 22:46:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Why do you find it so difficult to not call somebody "abnormal"?
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 01:12:02 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Why does someone find it difficult not to call a rock "rock"? It is what it is.
Staplingdean · 2 points · Posted at 00:47:00 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Those aren't all really the same thing, though. TONS of people discriminate against gender and sexual minorities, and they really don't against people with extreme heights or low weight.
blkells · 19 points · Posted at 16:14:56 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
and normal/abnormal isn't synonymous with right/wrong or greater than/less than
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blkells · 2 points · Posted at 19:29:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
People in this situation also have to understand that they are different from the vast majority, so yes it makes them abnormal, and most of them do understand that. If that neutral of a term is enough to offend someone, then the reality is that person is in for a lot more hardship than they are ready for. I have friends who are trans, who are gay, who are bisexual. It's more about how you address people or use terms. The word isn't bad just because it describes that you are indeed different from the vast majority.
BlueSoup10 · 40 points · Posted at 14:01:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
OK, but some people take being called 'abnormal' as insulting
I'm not trans myself but I've seen trans people on twitter trying to raise awareness that they don't like being called abnormal because they believe their identity should be as valid and 'normal' as any cis person's
knuckifyoubruck · 14 points · Posted at 15:24:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I mean, that green Shrek ketchup was abnormal, but it didn't invalidate the fact that it was ketchup.
Kvlter · 2 points · Posted at 16:48:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I love this, and am stealing it for next time this topic comes up.
Kvlter · 6 points · Posted at 14:59:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm trans, and to be honest I don't really care. I definitely am a statistical abnormality. As long as people aren't intentionally being assholes about it it's fine to me.
Akucera · 25 points · Posted at 14:17:41 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bob was born with no legs.
Bob is a healthy human being. He had no control over his leglessness. Bob's lack of legs will prevent him from participating in some events, but Bob can still live 99% of a human life without difficulty.
Bob is abnormal. Less than 1% of the population is born without legs. This is the definition of abnormal. For Bob to take offense at others calling him "Abnormal" is ridiculous. His abnormality is undeniable. In order for Bob to live a happy life Bob cannot deny what he is. Bob must accept that he has no legs, accept that this is just one of the many problems that life throws at us, and then tackle it (figuratively speaking, as Bob cannot literally tackle anything) as a mature adult.
It should be noted, however, that Bob's status is just as valid as any two-legged person.
Lost4468 · 6 points · Posted at 14:44:56 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You're right, but in the same way that someone with down syndrome is retarded. Sure they technically are but people generally avoid saying it because it's insulting.
Akucera · 7 points · Posted at 14:54:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I have a down syndrome woman in my family. Her name is Ann. My grandparents adopted her after her parents - friends of my grandparents - died.
Ann doesn't know a lot (for obvious reasons) but she knows that she is different from the rest of us. We don't try to hide that from her because hiding the truth from her would be a disservice. If she ever asked us "Am I retarded?" we wouldn't lie to her - we'd try and say "yes" in nicer words. In words that tell the truth, but also offer Ann our support in overcoming her disadvantages.
If a trans person asked me "Am I abnormal?" I wouldn't lie to them. I wouldn't say, "You're just as normal as the rest of us." To lie to such a person is disrespectful to their intelligence and doesn't get them anywhere. What I would say - and what I hope everyone would say - is
That's not patronizing. That's not insulting. That doesn't obscure the truth. I sincerely believe that the above is the most loving, helpful way I could respond to a trans person asking such a question.
Kvlter · 6 points · Posted at 15:01:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I think they're taking issue with the bluntness more than anything. I, being trans, personally don't take issue with it, but it's a big deal to some. Either way, as long as you mean the best, don't worry about it.
Akilroth234 · 1 points · Posted at 00:15:27 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I appreciate that thought pattern. It seems to me in this day and age there are too many people willing to jump down each other's throats because they don't tow the politically correct line, even if they don't have malicious intents or they're factually correct. Social gentrification seems to be replacing honesty, among other things, which I think is a huge shame.
BlueSoup10 · 3 points · Posted at 14:27:19 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Good on Bob, then. As I'm not a Trans person I can't give a trans person's viewpoint on this analogy, but something tells me it's not as simple as just accepting it and moving on especially with how much transphobia there is around.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 14:33:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
But it isn't normal.
JamesAQuintero · 0 points · Posted at 14:54:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately, they don't understand the definition of 'normal'.
Kvlter · 0 points · Posted at 15:02:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's a word for "eggs", right?
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 15:29:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I understand some of the issues that trans people face and think they deserve respect or whatever.
But they are not normal. They will never be normal. As far as current science is concerned they have a mental disorder that is somewhat treatable with gender reassignment. As far as we know they were born with the wrong gendered brain in their body, and possibly more stuff is messed up with them.
AND THAT'S FINE! It's fine to not be normal. Acceptance is about accepting people who don't fit normal. By trying to claim normality they are kind of shitting all over acceptance and that's a large part of why the whole LGBT+ movement gets eyerolls from otherwise good people. 94% of people are perfectly fine with having sex and gender be synonymous words and being attracted to people who are the opposite sex. The more concessions the 6% of abnormal people try to have every one else make, the less the 94% are going to try to care. You want me to accept that you are a woman now? Fine. You want me to pretend you're normal? No.
fishsticks40 · 2 points · Posted at 16:19:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The American Psychiatric Association disagrees with you.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 16:26:41 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Translation: we're changing what we call it so we don't hurt people's feelings.
fishsticks40 · -1 points · Posted at 16:45:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So what the hell is wrong with that? If a change in language allows people to live happier, more fulfilled lives, isn't that precisely the goal of the psychiatric field?
It matters to you because you want to be able to treat trans folks as "other" and feel superior. That's your shit, not their shit. That's something wrong in your brain and has no bearing on their mental health.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:54:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Stop right there. He offered no intent in his comment, which I sympathize with. Changing the terminology is ultimately a waste of time, and is only a temporary solution to a more complicated problem.
"Retarded" used to be politically correct. It was then used as an insult, and that is one of a few reasons why it has changed multiple times over the years. Right now, if you need to used something to describe someone's mental disability, you describe them by what they have: autism, downs syndrome, etc. Now, inevitably, those words have turned to insults as well.
To the vast majority of people, trans people are "other." That's the reality of the situation. If it turns into words, such as "abnormal (which I've already said I think is an appropriate word)," then you can ignore it. What we should instead be focusing on is the exorbitant suicide rate and widespread depression.
tl:dr, Changing the words over and over again is a waste of time which could be spent on more productive activities.
fishsticks40 · 2 points · Posted at 22:15:47 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This isn't changing the word. This is changing whether or not being trans is classified as a mental illness. Something that has huge implications for how people are treated. Something that has major implications in suicide rates, rates of violence, access to jobs and healthcare, and many other real world things. It matters.
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qewston · -2 points · Posted at 23:27:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There are about as many black people as there are white. Being an albino on the other hand is way more rare, thus making it "abnormal". This doesn't mean it's a bad thing though, it just means it's not the norm.
vgman20 · 7 points · Posted at 17:18:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's true, but that doesn't mean that being labeled as abnormal is a pleasant thing, especially when they get attacked by people for being crazy and what have you pretty damn often already.
fishsticks40 · -1 points · Posted at 16:15:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Abnormal can imply "not the usual" and by that definition, yes, it is abnormal. But the term clearly carries negative judgement and privileges "normal" as superior or desirable. It has been used to attack people who are not gender conforming for a long time, so you can understand why people would feel that there's a difference between saying "not the majority" and "abnormal".
The "very definition" of abnormal usually makes this point:
different from what is normal or average : unusual especially in a way that causes problems (emphasis added).
By your argument you could just as accurately describe being trans as "exceptional" or "extraordinary", words with the same top-line meaning but with very different connotations.
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Akucera · 4 points · Posted at 14:44:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Here's the LGBT demographics of the US. Note that at the bottom of the table it says that 3.8% of the US is LGBT. Also note that in the introductory paragraph, it says that
There's your real data about it.
"Technically correct" is all we've got to go on, and it's all we're ever obligated to go on.
Are trans people technically abnormal? Yes, they make up 0.3% of the population. Is repeating this true fact insensitive? Perhaps. So, should we, in the efforts of keeping trans people happy, pretend that these facts are false? No, of course not. The trans community will not be any better off if they hide the truth about themselves under a rock to protect their feelings. The trans community will only ever be able to progress forward if they accept that they are abnormal and understand that their abnormality isn't wrong, it is a part of who they are.
Nobody has ever achieved anything great in life on a foundation of lies. If the trans community cannot accept the truth about themselves, they will never achieve anything either.
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tfiggs · 11 points · Posted at 15:07:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I don't get why abnormal has to be perceived negatively. It's a perfectly fine word to use in this context, but instead of using it, they have to use 'cis' to describe 'normal' people because for some reason 'abnormal' = bad.
fishsticks40 · 43 points · Posted at 17:35:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Because that's how words work? They carry meaning and nuance beyond their strict definition. That's where the richness of language comes from. That's why we have synonyms, because each has its own embedded nuance.
I could say "Hitler was an exceptional person" and by strict top-line definition I'd be right. But it carries a lot of additional meaning that I wouldn't want to imply.
tfiggs · 1 points · Posted at 17:48:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Atypical would probably a better choice and is typically used in this context for that very reason
tabletop1000 · 26 points · Posted at 15:51:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Taken from the Google definition - abnormal: "deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying."
Calling someone's sexuality or gender identity "undesirable" or "worrying" should be what we're moving away from.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 16:00:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's why when talking about behaviour and cognitive or learning difficulties we generally say "Typical" or "Atypical" behaviour.
tfiggs · 3 points · Posted at 16:06:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Atypical certainly sounds better. It's also the term I was thinking of in my first comment. I was using abnormal and atypical synonymously, which is incorrect
devotedpupa · 2 points · Posted at 19:02:31 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That would apply to straight and gay too tho. Or basically anything that's not a Chinese woman if you want to go full statistics.
Kvlter · 1 points · Posted at 15:11:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Definitely. As long as people aren't assholes about it I don't mind.
tfiggs · 1 points · Posted at 15:15:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Labels are almost always used divisively and create an 'us' vs 'them' mentality. Creating a brand new label for normal people doesn't serve a constructive purpose imho.
Kvlter · 3 points · Posted at 15:19:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's useful as a term. I know people are using it negatively, which makes absolutely no fucking sense to me, but it's got it's uses.
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I don't have a problem with being called cis, It's 100x better than 'fucking white male.'
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HappyBot9000 · -11 points · Posted at 13:47:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It just means you're comfortable the way you were made and are attracted to the opposite sex.
BlueSoup10 · 23 points · Posted at 13:53:41 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You can be cis and homosexual, it's based off gender only
HappyBot9000 · -4 points · Posted at 14:03:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Are you serious? God there's too many rules. And I get downvoted for trying to give in to the rules.
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These aren't rules. You won't be sent to detention for making a mistake or forgetting shit or not even caring.
But when in response to hearing these thing you just start insulting people and acting indignant, you're an asshole.
HappyBot9000 · 5 points · Posted at 15:49:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I admit I could have reacted in a more reasonable manner, but I stand by saying that I never insulted anyone.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:31:11 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Not to be a sensitive sally, but the statement of cis being "comfortable the way you were made" has two pretty blatant implications:
Being trans is 'unnatural' or defying some kind of natural force that dictates how you were made. That you are made man or woman and deviating from that is some kind of abhorrence to 'how you were made'
Being trans is being 'uncomfortable with who you are'. While there is some minor truth to that -- a person born with male sexual parts feels more comfortable with gender associations like that of a woman. However, to act like it's just a bunch of non-confident/socially inept/outcast-like people who are doing this is literally the numero uno line of attack against their existence -- and you either wittingly or unwittingly fell into that line of thinking.
Just something to keep in mind. Yes, a lot of trans people can be a little touchy. That has to do with the fact that they suffer one of the highest rates of sexual violence in the country, have the highest suicide rate out of any group in the country, are regularly thrown out of their homes and denied jobs and denied relationships in general because of something that they fundamentally can not just 'switch off'.
The only difference between the trans rights and gay rights movement, frankly, is one comprises less than 1% of the population and the other more than 10% of the population. One gets exposure, one does not. That was the entire purpose of gay rights demonstrations and pride parades -- to show that gay people are out there, to let them demonstrate their own voice rather than let people who think they have never met one create little fireside ghost tales of them. Trans people don't have that right -- so when they are 'outed' so to say, it's like they're a fuckin unicorn and it just amplifies the reactions -- hateful ones usually.
HappyBot9000 · 2 points · Posted at 20:37:22 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I did not imply those things.
HappyBot9000 · 2 points · Posted at 15:44:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I don't remember insulting anyone.
Ottoblock · 0 points · Posted at 18:53:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It means you are the generals that you have.
Cis-het means you have the genitals that you are and also are heterosexual or heteronormative.
It means that you aren't oppressed apparently.
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It means you identify as your genetic gender.
It's an insult used to say "you can't possibly understand the extent of my feels"
Kvlter · 5 points · Posted at 15:03:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Do you have a better word?
w-4-wumbo · -6 points · Posted at 15:29:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's what they call people who identify with their physical gender... so if you are physically a dude and mentally like "yeah being a dude is fine" then you are cis. It's basically like the sjw/Tumblr version of 4chan "normies"
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 19:15:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
but wouldn't those be sexualitys, its heterosexual not heterogendered its bisexual not bigendered
Gender is biological, there is only two biological genders.
Sexuality is subjective I guess? I don't really know the word but you can go around telling people you like to fuck pans and you're pan but it doesn't biologically replace your dick with a pan.
Charles_Chuckles · 21 points · Posted at 19:23:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Naw man, gender is psychological/sociological. Sex (penis/vagina) is biological.
Ymir_from_Saturn · 10 points · Posted at 19:37:43 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is something I've been ignorant of for a long time. What components make up someone's gender if it is independent of their sex?
Charles_Chuckles · 13 points · Posted at 19:42:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Sex= chromosomes, hormones, parts
Gender=socital/psychological structure.
I can't really speak how trans people feel but in most cases they have the same psychological aspects as the gender they identify with.
Gender is a really funny thing because sometimes the psychology of gender is influenced by biology but that's different for trans people.
Ymir_from_Saturn · 10 points · Posted at 19:47:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Well I guess I can't really understand it without having experienced it myself. Thanks for the info though.
I think the "you do you" philosophy is important here.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 00:51:17 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Like most things about the human mind it's really complicated and nobody knows. We just know that some people, those with gender dysphoria aka trans people, feel really, reeaallly wrong in their bodies. Like, 40% suicide rate bad, all the time. Luckily treatment through therapy and transitioning if it's severe enough can help these people to live normal, healthy lives.
I can talk about my personal experience with gender dysphoria if you'd like.
Ymir_from_Saturn · 1 points · Posted at 01:08:47 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Is it associated with body image/self esteem or is it a more fundamental, difficult to explain emotion?
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Good question. I mean it's definitely a very emotional thing as well, but for me at least it's always mostly been a visceral, physical feeling. I've just never felt like my body was right. When puberty started happening it just got worse and worse. My brain was like "Woah! This is not what's supposed to be going on here."
It definitely made me feel extremely self-conscious and disgusting, but I wouldn't say it is fundamentally about self-esteem. It just made me feel so gross to look in the mirror and see myself becoming further and further away from what my self image of myself in my head was each day. It's disheartening to be powerless as you're body turns into something that you don't understand and don't want.
A lot of trans people make the comparison of gender dysphoria with phantom limb syndrome, and I personally came independently to this analogy when trying to describe what it feels like to friends. In the same way that someone with PLS can feel a limb they no longer have, for trans people we feel a very different body than we physically have. Since I was young I have always felt the opposite sex's genitals downstairs than the ones I have. It's a very strange and uncomfortable feeling that never goes away. I'd learned to ignore it with the same kinds of techniques I used to keep my thoughts on track with ADHD, but it's always there in the background, even now.
With puberty was when it just became too strong to possibly ignore, though. It was a constant in my life to just feel wrong and uncomfortable all of the time. I would cry myself to sleep night after night praying to a god I still believed in that he would make me whole and get rid of this pain. My first year of college I was an absolute wreck 24/7. I was a borderline alcoholic, incredibly depressed and suicidal all of the time, would go almost full weeks without sleep, cut myself and abuse pills and anything else I could find to take my mind off of things for just a little bit. I have absolutely no idea how I passed my engineering classes.
Then I finally got on HRT after months of dealing with abusive, bigoted doctors lying to me and sabotaging me, and it was like a breath of fresh air for the first time in about 7 years. I'm the happiest I've ever been, my dysphoria is almost negligible now unless I focus on it and my whole mind just feels clearer, and being seen as me instead of feeling constantly invisible lifted so much off of me emotionally. I look and feel like myself. I'm just another girl now that nobody would second guess. I still desperately want surgery, and dating is still really difficult but being pretty doesn't hurt.
Ymir_from_Saturn · 1 points · Posted at 02:02:52 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Congrats on the improvements in your life and thank you for sharing that with me.
Good luck.
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Kvlter · 8 points · Posted at 15:14:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's not really the same. Not personally an expert, but it's deeper than liking different clothing.
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Kvlter · 2 points · Posted at 16:41:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's not. I'm trans, I would know that of all people. It really, really, fucks with you.
It is treated. The best treatment is to help people who suffer from it, such as me, to transition to the gender they better identify as.
While DID is dubious, and rare at best, gender dysphoria is most certainly real.
Enleat · 2 points · Posted at 16:03:14 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That is nowhere near the same thing. A metrosexual is a man who exhibits traditionally feminine characteristics. A tomboy is a woman who exhibits traditionaly male characteristics.
Gender fluidity is a person who 'fluctuate' from gender to gender.
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Enleat · 3 points · Posted at 16:30:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's.... because they're not genderfluid if they don't say they are. Genderfluid does not mean 'i'm gona dress like a guy' it literally means fluctuating gender or gender identity.
Being a tomboy and being gender fluid are not the same thing.
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Jeanpuetz · -2 points · Posted at 17:41:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Same reason why we call ourselves men and women, boys and girls, hetero-/homo-/bisexual, dog or cat person, metal or jazz fans, gamer of soccer player.
Sometimes, people want to label themselves because it helps you fit in and find your own identity.
[deleted] · 34 points · Posted at 15:10:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I have no clue how serious this is, but I figure I'm gonna answer anyway.
Even though the terms are often used interchangeably, strictly speaking, male and female are sexes, not genders, meaning they refer to a person's biology, i.e. chromosomes, genitalia, hormones... it gets complicated. And because of that, it's not always clear-cut which sex you belong to, there is such a (relatively rare) thing as intersex people that don't neatly fit either category.
Then beyond that is the psychological aspect, gender. Basically, whether you feel like a man, woman, or neither. Trans actually isn't even a gender. Trans just means you don't identify with the gender you were assigned at birth (as opposed to being cis, which means you do). Most commonly, this will be people who think of themselves as women but were raised as men, or vice versa. But there are also lots of people that don't identify either as men or women. There's lots of terms to describe this with varying connotations and specifics, e.g. third gender, genderqueer, non-binary, etc.
But really all you ought to know as some random person that isn't really involved with these issues, is that there is more beyond the dichotomies of man/woman and male/female. And ideally, to accept people who fall outside of that dichotomy, because honestly, it has no impact on your life anyway.
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 15:48:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It isn't. It's the same thing as people going "And who is this Justin Bieber kid?" They just want to prove how out of the loop they are or something.
HumbleManatee · 14 points · Posted at 16:53:55 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I really doubt that. This is still a relatively new topic to most people, theres bound to be some confusion
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Ah well, whatever. Didn't take a whole lot of effort to type up and maybe it'll inform somebody else anyway.
fishsticks40 · 19 points · Posted at 16:04:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Trans isn't really a gender in and of itself. You can be trans and still identify as male or female.
And yes, there are many people who feel that male and female don't adequately describe them; some people consider themselves genderless, or genderfluid, or as belonging to some other category entirely outside of the male/female binary. These "third gender" conceptions exist in many cultures across centuries, often but not always associated with alternative sexual expressions.
Some people are attracted to others without regard to their gender expression, and some of those people refer to themselves as pansexual (pan- from greek for "all"). There's not a widely accepted terminology at the moment, but that's what they're saying.
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tictacotictaco · 4 points · Posted at 21:16:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There are a bunch of examples regarding intersex people, but many do not regard sex.
In the 3rd introductory paragraph
Mayans.
Two-spirit is a very common idea for Natives.
America-Numba-1 · -7 points · Posted at 17:52:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
usually people call them sluts. but apparently slut is now a protected category and can't be discriminated against.
Zekeachu · 6 points · Posted at 20:05:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, you can call people sluts. It's well within your rights. People will just rightfully call you a jackass and not want to be around you. Nobody is stealing your freeze peach.
mastersword130 · 5 points · Posted at 23:38:11 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, there really isn't
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loliwarmech · 3 points · Posted at 14:04:12 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
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Nope. Two genders. Two sexes. Everything else is a statistical anomaly or insanity.
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Trans isn't a gender. Transgender men are male and transgender men are female. They're not separate categories of gender.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5YQvmBdfR4
Still_Alive_2 · -10 points · Posted at 13:42:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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St_Veloth · -1 points · Posted at 15:54:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I tried to find a list of recognized genders but every search result brings up sites with titles like "nonbinary" and "it'spronouncedmetrosexual". Something tells me these are biased, so would you mind sending some links my way so I can read more about the subject?
[deleted] · -7 points · Posted at 16:32:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, only males and females. Penis or vagina.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 14:49:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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Athrul · 8 points · Posted at 15:06:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Gender isn't about penis or vagina. That's sex.
America-Numba-1 · -5 points · Posted at 17:48:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
no
APiousCultist · 6 points · Posted at 22:27:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It seems odd that someone bisexual would have a problem with transgendered people. Infact of all orientations one would think they'd have the least issue with it.
pasaroanth · 3 points · Posted at 23:39:11 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So how is it really? I'm legitimately curious. I'm close friends with more than a few gay guys of whom I could ask questions without being offensive, but I don't know any lesbians. I have never assumed that strapons are a critical part, but I'm pretty sure what
I've seen inmy friends have told me about what is in porn isn't accurate either.rividz · 3 points · Posted at 15:58:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
But what is it called if I wanna fuck satyrs?
heyboyhey · 18 points · Posted at 17:30:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Satyrical
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 15:43:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 20 points · Posted at 17:46:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There is a reasonable reason, a lot of bi-sexuals are not attracted to trans people, just cis men and women. Those that are might want to use a word like pansexual so people know they include trans as well.
Doomsayer189 · -1 points · Posted at 19:35:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I mean, there aren't different words for straight people who are/n't attracted to trans people. And many bi people are attracted to trans (or other) people anyways. It's a pretty meaningless distinction imo.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 19:51:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Take a second to think about it from this perspective: if you're someone who is attracted to men, women, and trans individuals, you may want to be able to express that fact, to distinguish yourself from those that are simply bi-sexual but only are attracted to cis individuals.
Also, forgive me if I'm wrong, but most straight people would not say they are attracted to trans people who happen to have their preferred gender. Most straight people are attracted to cis members of the opposite sex.
In regards to your word question, there in fact are also words associated with people who like the opposite sex in general but are ok with trans versions of said preferred sex, such as Supersexual or heteroflexual. They aren't common words, but they are no more uncommon than pansexual.
Doomsayer189 · 1 points · Posted at 21:24:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I just don't think that's necessary distinction to make. Saying you're attracted to men and women doesn't exclude trans people, just as saying you're straight doesn't. The only real advantage, imo, of "pansexual" is that it's more inclusive towards non-binary genders- which is certainly a good thing, but still seems unnecessary since I've never seen "bisexual" as being exclusive in that regard.
In general I just prefer to keep labels simple and somewhat relaxed. Defining them strictly always feels restrictive and often just makes things harder to keep track of. So to me, pan- and bisexual are just minutely different ways of saying the same thing.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 20:48:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I dunno. Pansexual to me means I'd give it a go with any person regardless of sex/gender. Whether that means just sexually or romantically is debatable for some, I guess.
[deleted] · -8 points · Posted at 16:49:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
this shit is getting retarded, just say you like to fuck other human beings no matter what gender they are. holy fuck man
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 20:49:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Kind of a mouthful...
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 22:15:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
why do you have to even identify as someone like that? its so retarded
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:12:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Eh, I dunno. I def wouldn't go out of my way to mention it. But, y'know, it's a word. It has a meaning. Come to think of it, I probably wouldn't use this in public for myself because of the type of person it's associated with.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:25:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
yeah i mean heck you can be whatever you want and do whatever you want but i find the word awkward as fuck. its like saying youre mylittleponysexual. now come and tell me this and expect me to not judge you lol. if i were of the pansexual thoughts and someone asked me, i think just straight up saying im open minded to everyone is way better
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 23:29:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I dunno. It's a word with a specific meaning. Rarely does my sexuality come up in a social setting anyway, personally. But I get why it exists.
deathcab4booty · -4 points · Posted at 17:21:53 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That's called bisexual.
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 17:44:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
lol this is the only time I was kind of curious, back to not giving a fuck about these mentally ill retards
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 00:13:21 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I hate the term ally. It's such a stupid fucking word.
ernie1850 · 82 points · Posted at 15:58:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
He fucks pans
CaptainRene · 5 points · Posted at 22:13:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I identidy as le pot sexual
Make 420's legitimate cis male
AccessTheMainframe · 31 points · Posted at 17:29:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Any hole's a goal.
EgotisticJesster · 76 points · Posted at 13:41:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Pansexual is pretty useful for including trans people which (arguably unfortunately) don't fit into other attractions. i.e., a straight guy/lesbian woman might not like an M-F trans person because of the downstairs.
jrackow · -19 points · Posted at 14:02:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So.... Is there an office on the floor below them? M-F is actually the normal working days, but I understand noisy neighbors can be frustrating.
Kvlter · 25 points · Posted at 14:54:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It was an admirable effort.
jrackow · 2 points · Posted at 15:19:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Thank you for "seeing me". I see you. And you are beautiful.
[deleted] · -10 points · Posted at 15:05:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I generally prefer saying gyno-/androsexual to hetero-/homosexual for a similar reason. But attraction is just fucking weird and difficult to categorize in general tbh.
crazyjarrod · 2 points · Posted at 19:54:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Straight, gay, other isn't that hard
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 20:18:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
All I'm implying is that attraction is based on appearance. Appearance doesn't have a sex, it can at most be feminine or masculine. Hence gyno-/androsexuality. It's not like a straight guy would not be attracted to someone who looks exactly like a "normal" woman just cause they happen to have a Y chromosome. Straight guy = gyno, straight woman = andro, gay guy = andro, gay woman = gyno. It's not any more difficult tbh
GuerillaGorillas · -1 points · Posted at 16:45:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Still seems like an imperfect definition as it implies the person is okay with both cis and trans men and women, whereas they might just only be okay with cis and trans women for instance.
suddenswimmingpotato · 8 points · Posted at 00:35:49 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Someone who fucks pots and pans
nataconda · 44 points · Posted at 14:22:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Being sexually attracted to a person of any gender. Or in other words, not using gender as a bracket for requirement when seeking a partner. I'm a pansexual! Lots of people joke about the "wackiness" of it but it's legitimate; it allows for the inclusion of non-binary and trans people.
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 15:32:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So what if you're attracted to both cis-women and trans-women, but not cis-men, trans-men, or other?
BlLE · 21 points · Posted at 15:39:31 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I think that counts as straight, since trans-women are women, assuming you're a man.
[deleted] · 43 points · Posted at 15:41:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Well then why is pansexual different from bi?
There are too many possible categories to actually name them all. Pansexual is kind of a pointless distinction.
deathcab4booty · 55 points · Posted at 15:50:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It isn't.
I'm bi. Hot people are hot. That's it. The entire idea of pansexuality being about the person and not the gender is fucking silly. I don't meet someone and immediately fall in love with their junk.
It seems as though pansexuality became prominent as an idea after people decided that bisexuality was somehow trans-exclusive, which it absolutely isn't.
aessa · 19 points · Posted at 18:17:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I just wish people would stop classifying 'trans' as being a gender. 'trans' is a quality of myself that helps identify who i am, much like being short, tall, large, small, freckled, any nationality, hair color, or whatever. It's an adjective that helps describe me, not my gender. The idea that bisexual people will not be attracted to transgender people is transphobic in that sense. I am a transgender woman. This means I am a woman, who is also trans. How does that all exclude me from being able to date a bisexual person?
AwesomeJesus321 · 20 points · Posted at 17:04:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Eh, if it makes people happy to identify themselves as pansexual does it really matter?
deathcab4booty · 23 points · Posted at 17:19:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It doesn't in the grand scheme of things, but it's frustrating to be assumed transphobic because of my orientation. Bi people get a bad rap already, the "hearts not parts" shit doesn't help our case.
Splatypus · 7 points · Posted at 18:24:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Its just annoying. They're really just bi but apparently need to make a new fucking word for everything.
migvelio · 5 points · Posted at 16:43:15 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Labels man. Not everything needs to be categorized, it's just different tastes for different folks.
BlLE · 0 points · Posted at 18:06:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Pansexual Definition: not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity.
Sounds a little bit like bi-sexuality to me. In my opinion, being attracted to a transsexual man or woman shouldn't be labeled differently than being attracted to a cis(?) man or woman. I think it separates trans people into a whole other group of their own which seems like it's the opposite of they might want. Trans women are women, trans men are men. They aren't excluded from being counted as men and women. If you're into both men and women, you're bi-sexual. I don't understand the difference between bi-sexuality and pansexual, if there is one I'm not seeing.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:54:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Whether they want it or not, it's ridiculous to say there is no distinction between a woman and a trans woman, a man and a trans man. Of course there is. Sorry, but that is just the way the world works. That being said, I'd hit it regardless.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 18:11:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's basically a way for tumblerinas to say that they are even more open and accepting than other people are. It makes them feel better about themselves I guess.
dianthe · 6 points · Posted at 18:01:01 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I would say most men (from reading comments whenever this topic comes up anyway) wouldn't be comfortable dating a male to female transsexual so I think on dating websites and such describing yourself as pansexual rather than just straight would show that you are one of the men who doesn't mind it?
BlLE · 1 points · Posted at 18:07:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Ah you know what that makes some sense to me. I still don't agree with it, but I understand what you're saying.
nataconda · 1 points · Posted at 19:59:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Then I'd be a trans-inclusive lesbian.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:06:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So are lesbians trans-exclusive by default.
nataconda · 0 points · Posted at 20:15:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, there's really no "default" sexuality, but lesbianism technically implies inclusiveness of transwomen. So, if I told you I was a lesbian, you would think to yourself "ah, ok, she likes women. Transwomen are women, so she likes trans women too." Which is usually correct but there are bigoted lesbians out there who do not accept transgendered people into their sexual life.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:39:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So they should be called trans-exclusive lesbians. You should just be called a lesbian.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 17:25:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
But its not legitimate, at least in my view (im not trying to insult you or be an asshole, it's just that i dont get it). It's basically bisexual+ that includes trans people. Isnt it basically just preference? Like Im a straight dude that doesnt find overweight women and women that are higher them me attractive, but that doesnt make a new sexuality. Like if there is a PanStaightual that likes women+ overweight and tall. Isnt it basically the same thing?
nataconda · 3 points · Posted at 20:01:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bisexuality only recognizes the gender binary (female and male). Pansexual includes people who do not subscribe to that gender binary system. It's founded on preference, yeah, but I wouldn't say it's quite as physical as the characteristics you're describing. The romantic and sexual attraction I feel isn't first screened through "is this person a man or a woman", it is instead screened through "is this person someone I could be close with"
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 21:08:27 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I dont quite get what you are saying. Im a straight dude and attractions i feel arent screened through "is this person a man or a woman". When it's a man i dont feel any sexual attraction to be screened through, i just dont feel anything like if you were talking about an animal, dog for example. Do you screen it as "Is this an human or a animal?", you dont, you are just not attracted to animals( im trying to put in terms we can both agree that are not attractive) . But when its a women then it goes through "is this person someone I could be close with". So i dont quite get what you were trying to say.
skywreckdemon · 1 points · Posted at 01:21:22 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'd like to point something out. I'm bisexual and I'm attracted to non-binary people, too. I'm just not fond of the "pansexual" label at all. Attraction to non-binary folks isn't limited to pansexuals.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 19:27:32 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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nataconda · 3 points · Posted at 19:57:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Some people think this, but I do not. Some people do not recognize the possibility of genders outside the binary or some only want to date cisgendered individuals. It's a bit more complex that than but I think you get it.
77jamjam · -4 points · Posted at 17:34:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
so you're bi, got it.
nataconda · 2 points · Posted at 19:57:25 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nope, I'm pan :)
77jamjam · 0 points · Posted at 20:54:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 17:45:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Most people don't stipulate their sexual attraction with "except trans people, because I think they're icky". An MtF woman together with a man is considered a heterosexual relationship, imo.
nataconda · 3 points · Posted at 19:58:43 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You're correct! However, some people are tied strongly to their trans identity and although they identify as a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth (lets say at MtF), they still find the trans component necessary to their personhood as it represents their experience and helps them relate to other trans people.
ColdBallsTF2 · 2 points · Posted at 21:32:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I don't think it's so much "icky" as much as it's "I'd rather be with a "real" man/woman". I don't know a way to phrase it that sounds less hateful. I bear no ill will to trans people, but I think they're kind of a grey zone.
RagingNerdaholic · 7 points · Posted at 19:29:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Kitchenware fetish.
h0nest_Bender · 31 points · Posted at 13:32:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
He only has sex with satyrs.
Le_Faveau · 7 points · Posted at 18:49:01 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bisexuality for people who thought Bisexuality was too mainstream
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 14:37:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I've found that it's easier to to just let them do their thing and not try to understand it. Much easier.
Nowhere_Man_Forever · 4 points · Posted at 16:41:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bisexual, but more unique and special
Rhythm825 · 4 points · Posted at 18:44:15 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
a myth
cesarjulius · 4 points · Posted at 18:48:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
or mythter!
or both!
or neither!
Staplingdean · 3 points · Posted at 01:11:01 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
You're brilliant
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 13:39:12 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
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[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 20:12:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
A mental sickness.
thingscouldbeworse · 5 points · Posted at 23:15:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Wew, useful username, lad.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 20:55:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Made up nonsense by someone who needs to grow the fuck up.
Ercoman · 1 points · Posted at 15:54:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/7ZlNDMFyGzE?t=2m7s
ZEUS-MUSCLE · 1 points · Posted at 15:59:46 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Self identified as mentally ill
HairlessSasquatch · -13 points · Posted at 14:24:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
a made up, attention seeking thing. It's just a dude in drag.
stealingyourpixels · 19 points · Posted at 14:34:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Pansexuality had nothing to do with how one presents oneself. It's a sexual orientation.
HairlessSasquatch · -40 points · Posted at 14:36:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I don't care. I really don't care. I'm just a regular hetero person. Tran Pan Queermosexuals I just don't give a shit about
Ryosuke · 35 points · Posted at 14:42:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
sounds like you care a lot
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 14:59:55 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I don't know you seem pretty bothered
Kvlter · 7 points · Posted at 15:04:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Glad to hear! I don't give a shit about you either, to be honest!
stealingyourpixels · 4 points · Posted at 00:33:37 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
then why'd you comment ya silly billy
Pyrollamasteak · -9 points · Posted at 14:53:14 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Similar to bi, but bi limits to male and female as a criteria. Pansexual is hearts, not parts -- not liking people for what their is under their clothes, but liking them for their personality.
deathcab4booty · 16 points · Posted at 15:52:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Bisexuality is an attraction to same and other genders. I'm bi. I didn't meet my husband and fall in love with his dick. This hearts not parts bullshit is fucking stupid lmao
Jeanpuetz · 1 points · Posted at 17:48:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That depends on your definition. There really isn't a clear "rule" for what bisexual means. I personally use bisexual and pansexual pretty much interchangeable, because I think limiting bisexual to male and female seems a bit silly. Like another user says, it kinda gives a bad rep to people who call themselves bisexual - as if it implies that bisexual people in general aren't interested in transgendered folk.
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 21:03:44 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Someone who enjoys chimpanzee sex.
As in Pans Troglodytes.
TheGayslamicQueeran · -4 points · Posted at 15:40:57 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
You act like a man somedays, and like a woman other days.
OoThatDudeoO · 311 points · Posted at 15:44:47 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Would totally smash the blond(e).
ChutDillio · 51 points · Posted at 16:52:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Absolutely.
[deleted] · 27 points · Posted at 16:57:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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Omnilatent · 300 points · Posted at 17:00:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
A transgender
[deleted] · 29 points · Posted at 01:00:09 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is kinda like saying "a gay" and doesn't really make grammatical sense, just so you know.
Ashanmaril · 57 points · Posted at 02:03:48 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Don't be a dumb
LassieBeth · 32 points · Posted at 17:25:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I mean, she has a youtube vlog series where she talks about her life, but if you're looking for porn, there are subreddits and websites for that sorta stuff.
OoThatDudeoO · 218 points · Posted at 17:41:43 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The vlogs will suffice.
LassieBeth · 169 points · Posted at 17:50:12 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Jesus, guys.
bullet4mv92 · 39 points · Posted at 17:54:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hey man, 'baters gotta 'bate.
Poke493 · 8 points · Posted at 19:38:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I feel like a rule of the internet is that any photo of a girl has, or will be, jacked to very soon.
ChutDillio · 21 points · Posted at 18:56:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiepvIHZQdcVE3KOY0inQ9A
Ukani · 18 points · Posted at 22:20:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
My god. If it wasnt for her voice I would never know she was a man. Thats probably the best transition Ive ever seen. Also I guess it helps that we only ever seen her from the chest up in her videos. Her hip game is probably lacking.
BeatMastaD · 9 points · Posted at 23:49:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hormones do wonders, even on body shape.
[deleted] · 38 points · Posted at 18:06:05 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
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LassieBeth · -11 points · Posted at 18:20:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The comment you replied to was pretty adamant about the sexing, though.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 17:52:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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ChutDillio · 3 points · Posted at 18:56:59 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiepvIHZQdcVE3KOY0inQ9A
LassieBeth · -9 points · Posted at 18:01:04 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Jesus, find your jack pleasure somewhere else.
Slenderman327 · -32 points · Posted at 18:06:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · -19 points · Posted at 20:11:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
A man
ooh8Hfdfj38283283 · -9 points · Posted at 20:41:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
no she's an apache helicopter. (sorry for the unoriginal joke)
Le_Faveau · -21 points · Posted at 18:59:02 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Who she is, or WHAT she is?
MIK136PARKS · 16 points · Posted at 19:12:58 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
A woman.
Fuck you and your bigotry.
FirstTimeWang · 8 points · Posted at 18:46:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
She looks like Kristen Bell.
[deleted] · -9 points · Posted at 19:37:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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Susfour · 20 points · Posted at 22:04:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 22:10:42 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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Susfour · 5 points · Posted at 22:18:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
'Twas a joke
Wyzegy · -29 points · Posted at 16:22:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
with a hammer!?
Edit: Not fans of Dr. Horrible...are we?
Sprits · 14 points · Posted at 17:42:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yeesh, sorry pal. Not your Karma day I guess
Wyzegy · 12 points · Posted at 18:12:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Meh, I can see why it's being downvoted. Joke just fell flat. It happens sometimes.
physalisx · 5 points · Posted at 18:25:53 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Haha I was here an hour ago and thought about making the exact same comment. Now glad I didn't, looks like this isn't one of those threads.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:05:58 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I like Dr. Horrible...
dgager · 52 points · Posted at 16:04:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is kmlkmljkl and should be flaired so
icepho3nix · 9 points · Posted at 18:49:03 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
That'd be a [Meme] flair, right?
dgager · 17 points · Posted at 19:08:42 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No kmlkmljkl has his own flair
capnjack78 · 3 points · Posted at 18:01:11 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Not anymore. We're flairing it as meme so it can be filtered out.
mrmatthunt · 40 points · Posted at 20:47:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I am transgenderrrrrrrr.
Novacryy · 12 points · Posted at 00:00:18 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
My brother had to come into my room to check if I was OK.
Mlahk7 · 1 points · Posted at 00:47:50 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)*
Please keep things civil here, folks.
Edit: This thread is now locked. We have no problem with people having opinions, but this isn't the place to have pointless, drawn out arguments. Go somewhere else if you want to debate.
hornet54 · 5 points · Posted at 01:44:01 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-fFHZuIa40
Where the rocket launcher is from
EVOSexyBeast · 55 points · Posted at 15:59:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
launches video
ooh cute girl
hits play
hey there sh...
"shit"
ChutDillio · 116 points · Posted at 16:20:22 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
She's definitely cute.
mharrizone · 15 points · Posted at 18:00:19 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'd launch a rocket at her for sure.
[deleted] · -41 points · Posted at 19:34:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
[removed]
BeatMastaD · 8 points · Posted at 00:05:46 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
She identifies as female.
Saiaxs · 68 points · Posted at 19:47:28 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
"I'm actually Pansexual"
Oh you mean the snowflake term for Bi, got it
SirMctrolington · 38 points · Posted at 22:54:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
There actually is a slight difference. Bi people are typically into men/women. Whereas Pansexual means that in addition to being Bi they are open to relationships with transexuals. It is actually a pretty significant difference.
Indifferent_Response · 101 points · Posted at 00:19:33 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
So you're saying transsexuals aren't men/women.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 01:10:32 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
While some people that identify as pan would define things in this way, which is incredibly annoying, not all do and it's a useful term. If you're straight you just get to assume the opposite sex won't reject you for being male/female. If you're homosexual you can assume that lebians/gay people of the same sex won't reject you for being male/female. If you're trans, you pretty much just have to assume nobody, straight, gay/lesbian, or bi, is capable of being attracted to you unless they specifically mention it.
Indifferent_Response · 5 points · Posted at 01:33:35 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
So what they go around asking people if they are pansexual before they can date or have sex instead of being open that they are transsexual and seeing who responds positively? I know I can't begin understand the struggles of being transsexual but this seems overly complicated.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:44:00 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Me personally I just test the waters and see if people are comfortable then tell them. It's really difficult living where I do, but I'd rather someone actually get to know me as a person before telling them I'm trans and being reduced to a one dimensional stereotype in most people's heads. I feel like if they know that beforehand, even if they're willing to give things a shot they're still going to filter everything past that through that lens.
SirMctrolington · 1 points · Posted at 01:11:36 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is just low effort bait. This is an issue that has nothing to do with me. But, to answer your completely misguided response, I don't care what happens between 2 consenting adults. And I will address anyone by how they identify.
Indifferent_Response · 41 points · Posted at 01:27:34 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Not even bait, you just worded it in a way that implies what I said. Bi people are attracted to men and women and pansexuals are in addition attracted to transsexuals which in this definition are completely excluded from the men and women groups. I don't look at a transsexual and see anything other than a man or woman, this pseudo third sex style of describing things doesn't work.
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 00:16:38 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nope, still stupid.
andrewpost · 24 points · Posted at 00:36:31 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I love how you've managed to be less insightful than a stranger on the internet calling themselves "SirMcTrolington".
SirMctrolington · 8 points · Posted at 00:35:24 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Eh, not really. It is like any other term for sexual preference. I don't know why so many people are against it. Just let them do their thing, they aren't hurting anybody.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:04:50 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
There is a convention going on right now thats literally full of people who gather to spite the idea you just made.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 00:51:49 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Because if you believe that most of the new genders are stupid, it's an unnecessary term.
SirMctrolington · -1 points · Posted at 01:07:16 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Damn gays are destroying this country and are going to give us all AIDS!!!!
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 01:10:01 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
What the fuck does being gay have to do with gender? Is gay now a gender? I'm gay. Fuck off.
SirMctrolington · 2 points · Posted at 01:30:27 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
That is my entire point. Pansexuality is about being attracted to someone regardless of sex or gender identity. It is not some "new gender" as you call it.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 01:35:06 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Where the fuck did I ever call it a new gender, dumbass.
LonleyViolist · 2 points · Posted at 01:06:52 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
"I don't understand, must be stupid."
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 01:10:44 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, it's stupid because I do understand it. It's a bunch of whiny, mal-adjusted people attempting to garner attention by politicizing fake genders and demanding rights for a super-minority.
LonleyViolist · 1 points · Posted at 01:13:43 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
You obviously don't understand that most people not conforming to a traditional binary-gendered system have gone through years of self-loathing, confusion, and rejection. Their lives don't affect you at all, don't be a dick. Try to have a little perspective.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 01:33:58 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hah. You think they're the only people who fucking self-loathe? I'm the fucking king of self-loathing, but you don't see me dressing up like a caricature of a rave to garner attention.
LonleyViolist · 3 points · Posted at 01:44:02 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
They're not trying to garner attention, they're trying to find a phrase that accurately describes who they are. We can all tell you have no self-esteem; you're projecting like the damned king of self-loathing.
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 01:59:44 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Maybe not everyone in the world does things to try to piss you off or make you happy. Maybe to most people in this world, you don't matter. They have their own lives and their own goals and your opinion means nothing to them. I know its hard for you to understand that you're not the center of the universe, but you're not the center of the universe.
homicidal_penguin · 8 points · Posted at 23:15:16 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
Anyone have this with the "I'm gay" meme at the end? I have to send it to some friends
Edit: This is urgent
MolecularPretzl · 25 points · Posted at 23:33:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/0IAnc6WfndI
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[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 16:57:45 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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ChutDillio · 2 points · Posted at 18:57:35 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiepvIHZQdcVE3KOY0inQ9A
LassieBeth · -8 points · Posted at 17:26:01 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Jesus, just go search for porn yourself.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:11:31 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Idk why you're being downvoted in this instance. I've never heard someone ask for "sauce" in a context that wasn't porn.
LassieBeth · 1 points · Posted at 01:16:25 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
It's pretty creepy, too, like in the same comment some people are dismissing her gender identity and looking for her vlog.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 14:52:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 30 points · Posted at 15:08:26 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
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[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 15:16:29 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 15:23:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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Faldoras · 4 points · Posted at 16:21:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
"I am actually pansexual" is what he (she?) said.
Kvlter · 6 points · Posted at 15:13:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
From /u/Charles_Chuckles
Aceroth · 13 points · Posted at 15:19:42 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality
It's similar to Bisexuality, but Pansexuality differs from Bisexuality because the latter is often seen as constrained to the gender binary and doesn't implicitly include trans people.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 15:35:10 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
So as opposed to being attracted to both sexes, you like all two of them. Got it.
[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 17:47:54 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
No, a lot of bi-sexuals are not attracted to trans people, just cis men and women. Those that are might want to use a word like pansexual so people know they include trans as well.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 17:48:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Okay. I guess that makes sense.
Jeanpuetz · 3 points · Posted at 17:50:14 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Go back to /r/The_Donald please.
sweetrolljim · 0 points · Posted at 21:44:43 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I mean he's not wrong...
Slenderman327 · -6 points · Posted at 18:09:08 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hello snowflake
Jeanpuetz · 11 points · Posted at 18:56:38 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Love how people just assume that someone is part of a group just because they defend them.
Reminds me of /r/fatpeoplehate - everybody who spoke against them immediatly was a "hamplanet", no matter their weight. And now apparently I'm a "special snowflake" even though I'm as regular as they come.
There's this thing called empathy, maybe you should try it out some time.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 15:33:25 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Yes
EMINEM_4Evah · 3 points · Posted at 20:56:24 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
First time in a while I burst out laughing. Think I pissed myself too. Thanks op.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 15:04:18 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 22:48:55 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This thread gets my gender pronouns in a bunch
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 18:16:21 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Why is SRS allowed to raid posts here?
aboy5643 · 21 points · Posted at 18:26:22 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
What does this even mean?
[deleted] · 21 points · Posted at 18:50:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
"People are expressing opinions I don't like so it must be brigading!"
CaptainAutismo · 6 points · Posted at 18:47:17 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Why are super retarded seniors allowed to raid here
Empanser · -3 points · Posted at 21:27:06 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
R/shitredditsays doesn't require np.reddit links, so when a circlejerky neo-prog follows a link from there, they can freely leave downvotes on comments they disagree with.
If any other sub did this, they'd probably be banned.
aboy5643 · 6 points · Posted at 22:28:19 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
np doesn't prevent this. You can still downvote on np links. Further, the admins have repeatedly said they dislike np because it's a cheap hack of the site and ruins functionality of the site. They also have repeatedly said that SRS brigades no more than any other sub.
drivec · 1 points · Posted at 02:01:22 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm straight, but the high school football players call me gay.
[deleted] · -10 points · Posted at 15:22:36 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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berniamacattack · 4 points · Posted at 16:03:51 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Wanted to let you know this is a really funny and good joke and you should say it more often
physalisx · 1 points · Posted at 16:16:07 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
The best thing about it is how it never gets old.
[deleted] · -14 points · Posted at 15:19:23 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
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[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 17:50:43 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is by far the best thing I've seen on this sub so far. But I guess I need to hate it now.
loptthetreacherous · 2 points · Posted at 19:16:22 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I found it funny. I couldn't give a fuck if the same person makes 99% of the content on this sub as long as it's funny.
RequiemOfGwyn · -22 points · Posted at 15:29:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
This is why we are far below the safe replacement birthrate.
cantstoplurking · 11 points · Posted at 01:42:20 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
The fuck? Regardless of the hate behind your statement, you're just wrong. The human population is just exploding and is at an unsustainable level.
RequiemOfGwyn · -5 points · Posted at 02:08:20 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
So you don't think a bunch of people who won't reproduce has anything to do with a birthrate less than 2.1? Only European and Asian countries have birthrate so low. The average Muslim birthrate is over 8.0, at least they are smart enough to preserve their people.
CaptainRene · -3 points · Posted at 22:16:15 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Wger do babies com fromn?
nliausacmmv · -1 points · Posted at 17:27:30 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Not where I was expecting that to go.
[deleted] · -27 points · Posted at 15:31:00 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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DocFaceRoll · 15 points · Posted at 15:38:37 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Almost like every other meme on the fucking internet?
Kmlkmljkl · 11 points · Posted at 21:11:39 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
it's a meme you dip
BIG_JUICY_TITTIEZ · 3 points · Posted at 22:56:49 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Have you never heard of a meme before you dingus?
[deleted] · -131 points · Posted at 14:23:50 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
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MrBody42 · 47 points · Posted at 14:36:33 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)*
Report it for what? I don't think "nigga with rocket launcher" is a protected class
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 17:29:41 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
They are the least represented in our society, right there with Idubbbz with chronic depression.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:17:34 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
YES IT IS YOU NIGGA-WITH-A-ROCKET-LAUNCHER-IST FUCK
Brandon10133 · 51 points · Posted at 14:31:20 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
triggered
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 14:39:11 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
What is there to report?
ImMystikz · 5 points · Posted at 17:33:34 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Hurt feelings :((((
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:52:40 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. You have the right to having your feelings hurt, but that does not justify actions to be taken by the mods.
ImMystikz · 2 points · Posted at 19:54:48 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
I really should have put a /s on that
[deleted] · 23 points · Posted at 14:34:31 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
no
draginator · 8 points · Posted at 14:56:47 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Nah, were chill.
Dr_King_Schultz · 8 points · Posted at 14:41:52 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Boohooooooooo
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 00:17:43 on July 20, 2016 · (Permalink)
Get over yourself, newfag.
[deleted] · -4 points · Posted at 19:07:13 on July 19, 2016 · (Permalink)
Oh, you are pansexual I see.