Is this the first time we see Malygos' humanoid form?

๐ŸŽ™๏ธ Sylvanas_only ยท 1386 points ยท Posted at 17:44:29 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)


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Yanatrei ยท 590 points ยท Posted at 18:18:00 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

We actually already saw it during Yogg-Saron encounter in Ulduar. He looked similar to this form there.

Tyrsenus ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 18:51:43 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
Only-Candidate3999 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:28:41 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

What the fucks up with his hands

comegetinthevan ยท 350 points ยท Posted at 20:30:29 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Looks like a crazy thing called gloves

Only-Candidate3999 ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 20:32:36 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

๐Ÿ˜‚ holy shit for a second I thought his hands were disintegrating because of some wild arcane madness magic, but youโ€™re totally right theyโ€™re just cool gloves

Essenji ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:16:11 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I like your interpretation better

coolerbrown ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 21:26:47 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I only clicked the link because I thought the guy who replied to you was funny

But then I saw the model and ...yeah... At first glance it totally looks like he dipped his fingers on some magic acid and they're rotting away lol

Synikul ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:58:56 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

That would be fucking sick though.

NoYouGetOut ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

This thing called glovesโ€ฆ I just canโ€™t handle it.

francoisjabbour ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:48 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Crying at this comment

brendamn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:56 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Is he into dirt biking?

shaun056 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:34 on November 8, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

These things, called gloves...I just... can't handle it

AlternativeFactor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:31:32 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Those are magic hands.

xiren_66 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:59:37 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

His hair is magic too. Animals talk to him... Malygos is Disney Princess confirmed?

AlternativeFactor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:47:35 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I first that, "that's silly, he never got kidnapped." But then I realized that "becoming corrupted"/crazy and becoming a raid boss is the WoW version of getting kidnapped. In fact, Malygos is one of the first WoW princesses because of that,

animagus_kitty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:41:29 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I would read this essay

FrostyWalrus2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:37:27 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Think his hands are a problem? You should see his legs.

Lexinoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:10 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Reminds me of the character Gabriel in "The bastard son of the devil himself (netflix)" that is an alchemist, and has stained fingertips because he constantly grabs pinchfulls of alchemical powders. But yeah. Nothing to with WoW. Decent show tho.

Arumin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:29 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Blue Cheetos

Only-Candidate3999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:14 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

This is the only real answer

[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:15:40 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

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Deathleach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:44:05 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I mean, same hairstyle and color scheme. It certainly looks close enough to suggest they used the model as inspiration.

M3M3_K1NG ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 00:11:08 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Here's a video for a better look https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

DJPeartree42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:51 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Username checks out. . .

Demileto ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:24:01 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think it's fair to say Malygos' visage form during the Yogg-Saron encounter is a generic placeholder, Blizzard always does this when they want to use a character that's not having a major role in the current storylines since developing an unique model takes time and human resources. See Ysera and Nozdormu in Dragonblight during Wrath and Queen Azshara in Darkshore during Cataclysm.

prescriptioncheese ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:31:43 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Can't recall which book exactly, but it said Malygos' visage was insectoid, not unlike an Aqir.

The High Elf appearance has since carried into Hearthstone however.

Beric_RS ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:41:22 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Damn that could have been cool.

Yanatrei ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:40:08 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think it was in Day of the dragon book? But it was long before the introduction of visage form, that limited shapeshifting only to one form.

BoKBsoi ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:07:41 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I know it's like cliche at this point to keep dunking on how weird and bad the new lore is but I truly do not understand how or why the dragons would have a single dedicated shapeshift form that they lock themselves into forever. Feels like a bandaid job to explain why the players can only be blood elf males or human females that they decided had to have a lore justification for some reason

ScavAteMyArms ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:23:39 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

It feels really weird when talking about Black Dragons, when they regularly changed form for infiltration and almost always picked their form based on what they think would do the best job in this (or intimidation or some other emotional tactic). Yet Wrathion is the one doing most of the exposition of how important these forms are to dragons to the player.

Also pretty sure Bronze did similar in order to blend in with whatever time way they where going into. Though with Chromie being the poster girl for the significance of these forms that went right out.

BoKBsoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:17 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)*

Absolutely, it's so weird. Even the benevolent dragons would want to be able to take on an inconspicuous mortal form to blend in sometimes, that seems hard to do when you have for some reason chosen to be a 9 foot tall red and gold mommy blood elf with giant horns covered in gemstones and gold chains instead of just picking and choosing what would be useful at the time. Dragons with Aspect magic are less convincing at disguises than Sylvanas was in Cataclysm by just going to the plaguelands wearing a hat and telling everyone her name is Lindsay

Yanatrei ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:33:28 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

But dracthyrs are not even full-fledged dragons: there is hardly any need to limit shape-shifting abilities of real dragons to justify visage forms of dracthyrs.

Brainth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:02:05 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Also, modern barber exists so thereโ€™s literally 0 reason they canโ€™t canonically modify their visage form.

Edit: fuck it, Iโ€™d even be down to give them a racial barber access so they can modify their forms wherever they are.

Gnivill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:16 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

The whole set visage form is earlier than Drakthyr, the fairy tales book sets Visage day as a big coming of age ceremony for Dragonkind.

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Lugonn ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:49 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
  1. Only have to make a single model per dragon

  2. Score progressive good boy points to distract from business drama

Lyoss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:36:33 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Ah yes, the progressive agenda of... forcing dragons to adhere to a single visage form for the rest of their existence

Brainrot

BoKBsoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:42 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I kind of get what he means. The Visage Day short story that laid out the concept of Visage forms was when Blizzard officially confirmed Chromie was trans.

I'm a long time proponent of Chromie being trans and thought it was shitty that Blizzard spent 16 years denying it and making fun of the idea until they suddenly were in the midst of a corporate crisis and needed to put a progressive face back on the company.

And the same company that had been making fun of fans who made their headcanons that Chromie was trans suddenly had come up with a million year old ceremony where the dragons all get together to respectfully discuss their pronouns together.

I'm not one of the "woke corporations" morons but I can see how Blizzard would want to (and did) start pushing their tiny slate of LBGT characters to the forefront to make the company look more progressive and distract from the million lawsuits about 80% of the company being sexually harassing breast milk thieves.

Lyoss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:50 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Regardless of the decision on Chromie, the final outcome isn't progressive

Chromie was speculated to be trans, like you said, long before any kind of visage day stories or anything like that

If anything the idea that a visage is permanent and never changing is anti-progressive, the idea that someone cannot change, and especially to a dragon with essentially immortality, is a bit against the whole idea of trans or nonbinary identities

I'm not going to speculate if Blizzard had some ulterior motives with it, it's pointless and disrespectful to artists and the people involved. Maybe the mass exodus of old guard allowed them to be more inclusive with storytelling,rather than it being a cynical malicious monegrab? We probably will never know

What is easy to know is how reactionaries spin this into some kind of narrative about "Blizzard and the ess jay dubayas" bad, and that's brainrot

BoKBsoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:58 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Totally agreed with most of this so I don't want to nitpick and argue too much but I think there's a difference between the outcome being genuinely progressive and being considered progressive by the often very credulous gaming press that I think is important, especially since that guy phrased it as "progressive good boy points."

I totally agree that it's not an actually progressive decision. These incredibly powerful and mysterious ancient beings having to permanently lock themselves into a single mortal gender and shape is obviously at odds with the real experience of NB or trans identities and the Visage Day short story was written entirely by cis waifu guy Steve.

But the story being either a genuinely subversive interrogation of how an ancient shapeshifter would even think about or experience gender vs what we actually got would still result in headlines from the press, who are typically eager to cozy up to the corporations to avoid upsetting them and risk losing access, saying "blizzard confirms fan theory that world of warcraft dragon is trans" so it does somewhat incentivize low effort faux-progressive lip service that falls apart if you give it too much thought

Obviously 'the evil pink hair sjws burned the world tree and made my dragons gay' shit is brain rot though

MaxinFio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:07 on November 3, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

This is why i think it would be better to have EVOKER be a class that any race could get, but in combat you turn into the Dracthyr form, that you can also customise.

FaroraSF ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:20:20 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I don't think they are actually limited to one form, its more like them picking a specific form that they will be using to represent them most often.

Khay85_Jugs85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:25 on November 16, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Aside from actual gameplay Visage, I assume the lore Visage is whatever shape the dragon (not dracthyr) is feeling at that precise moment.

StowStowStowtheTote ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:28 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

In WOTLK many of the humanoid dragon forms were placeholders they simply didnโ€™t have time to devote to individual models but eventually they got round to updating some of them.

Deathleach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:15 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think it's fair to say Malygos' visage form during the Yogg-Saron encounter is a generic placeholder

It absolutely was, but the model has the same hairstyle as this depiction, so they probably took inspiration from it.

mrspidey80 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:06:22 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Am i the only one who hates that they made these cool visions and put them in a place where you're way to busy dealing with annoying mechanics to pay attention?

Veritech_ ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 21:19:00 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Sephiroth cosplaying an elf.

SoulCrushingThighs ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 23:54:48 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Smash

eunryoung ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:56:21 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Same. Heโ€™s crazy as hell, but yeah.

Brainth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:07:15 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

That just adds to the experience

eunryoung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:25 on November 3, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Me, a priest: โ€œSoโ€ฆ right, there I was and he says to meโ€ฆ he says to me โ€˜no need to cast renew, because by the time Iโ€™m done with youโ€ฆ youโ€™ll need more than that.โ€™ And yeah, thatโ€™s when I knew I may have antagonized the wrong dragon. Worth it? Yeah. Absolutely.โ€

Ysara ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Is it ever canonically explained why the Aspects look like high elves (or humans, in Neltharion's case) before there were high elves/humans in Azeroth? Or is that just hand-waved?

Xclbr1 ยท 386 points ยท Posted at 19:05:27 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Maybe Nozdormu looked forward in time, went "wow these races are strong and noble and have a huge part to play in future events" and picked that form, causing the other aspects to follow suit.

Or they just wanted hot dragons and made up the lore later

ProfessorSpike ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 11:05:23 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

"Wow these models look good for transmog"

Deathleach ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Nozdormu: "Alextrasza, I have seen the future and it's absolutely imperative that you dress as a slutty high elf. Take this thong and lets go!"

DoomyHowlinkun ยท 268 points ยท Posted at 19:03:54 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

In the last legacies video, Wasn't it said along the lines of 'we eventually learnt to take the visage forms to communicate with the other races'? Meaning that they most likely only took those forms around the time when elves already existed.

samuraislider ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 19:29:45 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

That's what I gathered. As soon as hot Elves showed up, the Aspects were like "Me likey" and took their looks. And the trolls were like "WTH man. I wasn't hot enough for you?"

kid-karma ยท 583 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Trolls: appear on Azeroth

Aspects: "...let's wait and see what else shows up..."

Redditfrigginsucks ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 00:02:24 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Phew that was a good chuckle

Sanddaemon ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:56:35 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Lmao, damn elf beauty standards.

Feathrende ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:35:38 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Aren't all elves just trolls that morphed due to magic anyway?

mrspidey80 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:08:36 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Yes, but don't tell them.

On second thought, please do, as often as possible.

OrientalWheelchair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:55 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

As much as humans are evolved monkeys.

Feathrende ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:07:34 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Nah the Humans are descendants of the Vrykul, in a similar fashion to the Elves descending from the Dark Troll tribe. Humans in real life are also not descended from Monkeys, we merely share a common ancestor with Chimpanzees. This has been your one-time random video game lore and real life evolutionary fact check.

lightening9 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:15:37 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I laughed so hard, I couldn't breathe. Thank you kind reddit stranger.

b3tamaxx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:29:46 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Noz: Alex go to Zandalar and attempt to make peace with the troll king MEANWHILE Alex: UH so ya mon. I be reppin me bruddas n sistas from far off lands yfeel me

Polaro12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:02 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I am at work reading this and I had to explain why I bursted into laugh, thank you stranger you made my day

DoomyHowlinkun ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 19:33:07 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

To be fair, Senegos, the oldest living blue dragon (from legion in Aszuna) apparently uses a troll Visage form.

samuraislider ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 19:33:44 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

A dragon of taste!

MrMan9001 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:53:37 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I really hope we see more of the Azurewing in the future

tmb-- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:07:12 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

the oldest living blue dragon

I think he's the oldest living dragon period. Pretty sure he is older than all the Aspects.

retsujust ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:54:00 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

No he is not. But he is the oldest dragon excluding the aspects. Malygos was older than him, but obviously is not alive anymore.

Therval ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:37:18 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

By the fact that heโ€™s not a proto-dragon you know he has to be younger than the aspects.

[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:11:20 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

yea and deathwing decided he really wanted to look like the weird freakish mutant shrunken babies vrykul were having. makes sense.

psychospacecow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:12:11 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Listen, one of them told him this absolutely banger idea he had for a book and the rest was history

retsujust ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:51:12 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think it would be kinda cool if some dragon was a troll, some was an elf, heck, some even panda. We have seen a Tauren dragon already, so I donโ€™t really understand why not

Berdiiie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:35:16 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

One of the first ones you meet on the Dragon Isles uses a different race as their visage! And then of course our player character is all confused by it.

ProfessorSpike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:07:18 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

We also see our old pal Senegos in his glorious troll form in the Azure Span

aracheb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:55 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Hahahahha

prazulsaltaret ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:45:32 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

In the last legacies video, Wasn't it said along the lines of 'we eventually learnt to take the visage forms to communicate with the other races'? Meaning that they most likely only took those forms around the time when elves already existed.

But High Elves/Blood Elves ( the race ) didn't exist during the War of the Ancients. The Night Elves ( of the Highborne caste ) that were exiled from Kalimdor to the Eastern Kingdom left thousands of years AFTER the War. So unless Malygos can see through time, how did he know what a High Elf looks like?

DoomyHowlinkun ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:03:30 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

A mix of hand-waiving, Blizzard not wanting to update the models to make sense, not knowing their own lore, or dragons are racist. Pick your poison. I think it's closer to being racist, considering we have Alextrasza who is a very red/tanned color, and she is described as a night elf when none with that tone have ever been shown before. In the same vain Malygos is a high born, but resembles a high elf by accident. There could be other speculatory reasons, but thats up to Blizzard to BS, not me.

Kitchen-Educator-959 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:51:05 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Its probably just for watchability of the trailer, why show random visage gorms that noone seen before when you try to depict a character everyone knows

Sennkoh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:08:58 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I guess that's the main reason... also dragons do have favourite visages they still can change these... so assume while the nightelfen empire was there, they all went nightelf... if they need to go to ironforge they probably have a dwarfen visage etc...

Testobesto123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:21:46 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Alexstrasza turned herself into a tree once, so yes the aspects can definitely choose their visage depending on the situation.

Totalitariani ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:05 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

When did she turn herself into a tree?

PyroMojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:27 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

She never took the form of a tree. The closest analogy to that in her lore points to Wyrmrest Temple's sanctums. The Ruby's Sanctum tree was created from a drop of her blood.

DoomyHowlinkun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:09 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

That could be it too, would make sense.

raptor2k1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:33 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I'm going to head-cannon that they just talked to trolls as normal dragons because they were cool with it... but when talking to the younger races as dragons, they'd freak out and go on a dragon hunt, lol. Ergo visages to not upset the panicky masses of younglings.

Not_Another_Usernam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:29 on November 3, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Didn't the War of the Ancients series show the exile of the High Elves directly following the war?

prazulsaltaret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:30 on November 3, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Even if they were exiled immediately after, Malygos had already participated in the war and shown his High Elf form by then. They became High Elves after they founded Quel'thalas.

Not_Another_Usernam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:20 on November 3, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Had he? I don't seem to recall anyone besides Krasus taking the form of a Blood Elf during that time and that was because he was from the future.

wowguineapigs ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:50:27 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Why is chromie a gnome?

House-Hlaalu ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 19:54:11 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Dragons pick a humanoid figure that fits whatever they feel most comfortable with. Chromie picked a gnome. Ebonhorn, a black dragon, is a highmountain Tauren.

tmb-- ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:08:02 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

is a highmountain Tauren.

Well that specifically is because the person who saved him from corruption was also a Highmountain Tauren and Ebonhorn pledged loyalty to that entire bloodline so obviously had to blend in.

rixuraxu ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:05:09 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Because it suits her.

RoyInverse ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:56:52 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
Green-Event813 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:16:00 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

โ€œIt is a good day to be a dragon! he told himself, as he did every morning.โ€ Danuser is a trip lmao

kebeckistan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:12 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Much wow, such writings.

wowguineapigs ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:23:42 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Is this canon? Is chromie trans?

LeSorenOutan ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:07:36 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Yes, she is transtemporal

RoyInverse ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:25:11 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Always has been. Yes its canon.

mcmanybucks ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

TIL.

Good-Expression-4433 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:29:15 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Yes and yes.

Lareit ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 22:36:55 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

She's not. When you don't transition you're just female in chromie's cast.

With technology as advanced as Star Trek or magic as potent as WoW there is no trans. You start as 1 and just became something different. It's far removed from all the struggles trans people face in the real world both social and physical.

Lambdaformes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:59:31 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Hi. I'm a trans people. Trans people still exist in WoW or Star Trek. Just because they have a cure for gender dysphoria doesn't mean trans people stop existing.

Lareit ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:53 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Hi you're a trans person. You're not entirely wrong. Chromie during their anquish over their visage was trans for the duration of that dilemma. However, the chromie of today is not. It's not so much that people don't go through a transition in a WoW or Star Trek world, it's just that the trans part of it hardly matters because the solution is so perfect.

The perfect solution means the struggle and trials aren't there and aren't anything that trans people in the real world have to deal with. Seeing people in wow treat a trans person with bigotry or disgust would just seem odd considering magic and all the other far more outlandish things around. Even more so in a society as enlightened as the Federation.

Not so in the real world.

Lambdaformes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:09:36 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

What? I'm not any less trans now just because I pass and my dysphoria is gone. All I need to be trans is just to identify as a different gender than I was assigned at birth. Chromie is trans because who she is differs from what she was assigned at birth.

I'd take the "perfect solution" in a heartbeat but it wouldn't make me any less trans. There's no inherent value or virtue in suffering. Why should being trans be defined by the shallow bigotries of other people? Quit speaking for us.

Lareit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:20:57 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Trans is short for transition. Once you finish you're done. You're not transitioning anymore. It's just fucking english.

If you want to keep calling yourself a word just to be spiteful and ignorant go right ahead. Doesn't make you trans.

_tet_d_goon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:36:06 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Imagine being this wrong. The "cis" and "trans" prefixes are from the latin: "this side of" and "the other side of" respectively.

Lambdaformes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:40:01 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

from the dictionary:

Transgender: "denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their gender assigned at birth."

Trans doesn't meaning transitioning. Trans is a latin root word meaning "extending, across, or through. On the other side of". You're not even right with your farcical etymological argument. Trans is just shorthand for "crossing to the other side of gender"

Trying to say you know more about transness than a trans person is fucking absurd. Once I'm done with my transition I'm not magically becoming a cis woman

Lareit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:50:16 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Your words Trans is just shorthand for "crossing to the other side of gender

If that isn't transition I don't know what is.

But again, lets keep arguing definitions. That always goes well.

To further add. What if you could magic yourself to that other side of gender. Then you wouldn't need to cross. You wouldn't be trans.

ffs why is this always where this discussion dies I will never understand.

Lambdaformes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:48:08 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

"To further add. What if you could magic yourself to that other side of gender. Then you wouldn't need to cross. You wouldn't be trans"

I don't think you fundamentally understand language. Magicing myself to the other gender is a form of transitioning. You have a fundamental break in logic in your argument. If I had no need to cross gender in the first place, then I would be cis. To get to that other side of gender, I have to fucking cross/change in the first place.

You argue definitions because you have no form of substance. The argument dies here because you are so flawed in your own logic that it's honestly astonishing. You can say words, but there's no intelligence or thought behind them. I'm honestly concerned for you.

Lareit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:22 on November 3, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

So concerned that you hide jabs in passive aggressive mockups of compassion?

Yeah you're really concerned all right.

There is also no break in logic. Once you get to the other side you can't continue to go to the other side. You're there. It's past. You once were tran and now are not. Which is not a thing that happens in the real world. Hence why magic in WoW or science in Star Trek negate the trans issue.

Fucking reading comprehension.

Antagonist2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:42:20 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

it always dies here, no matter who you talk to? There's a common factor here, maybe you'll find it if you look in a mirror?

The world uses Transgender to refer to a person who is trans, not someone who transitions. They use Trans to refer to that to. The common usage beats out dictionary definitions any day. Even so, even with your definitions, the community is called the Transgender Community, meaning that members of that community are Transgender. The community includes people who need to transition to deal with dysphoria, attain euphoria, or are actively transitioning. Thanks to this, even with your semantics, people can be transgender. Characters who have these desires, even if they haven't transitioned, are also transgender.

I admit, this is less unpleasant than straight up transphobia, but rigid definitions are rarely used in the real world to the extent you do. People adapt the language differently, and to be understood you kind of have to as well. We tend to switch things up, and people who are trans are going to know how their community is referred to :)

Lareit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Funny you say common usage beats dictionary when others were the one who threw dictionary definitions into the mix.

The whole idea of Trans is to move from the gender they were born to the gender they feel they are supposed to be. I'm not the one stuck on definitions. I'm focused on the idea that in a world with magic or super tech there is no such thing as a trans person anymore.

Antagonist2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:07 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

We'll agree to disagree here. I know that my experience has changed who I am, and an instant magic driven transition wont undo that. Anywho, people still call ourselves trans even after we pass, and that's still how it's used in our community. Try to have a good day, ok?

offensivex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:47 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Holy fucking nuclear take.

Antagonist2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:57 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

So the folks who transitioned via Mare's urine in the past are the only real transfolk because we have it easier? When transition becomes accepted, it no longer counts?? Trans does not have to be synonymous with a temporary struggle in our current society you know.

Lareit ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:25:02 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

yes, OUR society. There is nothing in any wow society, much less the dragonflights, to imply they would give a single iota of a fuck about someone using magic to change themselves. Even Racism is almost entirely nonexistent in wow. Humans hate orcs because the orcs tried to murder them, not because of human superiority or orcs being demi beings. Racism of course being the one thing pretty much everyone in America and most the world has been on 1 side or the other multiple times in their lives.

Fantasy and Sci-Fi are great mediums to explore things like this but you can't just shoehorn it in and pretend things are parallels to our world automatically.

Antagonist2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:28:38 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

sure, but you can still look at pelagos, someone who lived life as a woman but desperately desired to be a man, and then transitioned to one, as trans.

Because he is trans. He transitioned with magic, and no one was marching outside of planned parenthood or anything but he still is trans. that's still trans

Lareit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:56 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

It WAS trans. Then boom, magic. Honestly the kyrians would make 100% more sense to be completely genderless from a design point of view. Thats a discussion in itself.

Antagonist2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:40 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

You're really caught up in this. The trans community defines being trans as wanting to transition. the method doesnt matter really. You seem more focused on the Idea that trans is only a thing because of the imperfections. Its tempting to focus on that, to celebrate our struggle and deny blizzard cheap rep points without putting in the effort--but again, our struggle has been lessening over the centuries anyways. Itll always lessen, and itll always still be trans, no matter how easy it becomes

CreativeAd9898 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:35:01 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Well in our world, the transition can never be finished, that's why you stay trans. Pelagos transition finished and in the campaign he is a male kyrian. Not a trans-male kyrian.

Antagonist2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:06 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)*

I feel like his backstory still marks him as trans, and his experience as well. But, I also kinda see where you're coming from here. Still, the label isnt just a language quirk anymore, it's been adopted as a label. A trans person is still considered trans even if they dont transition. Trans is no longer referring to the process of transition.

That how the language has evolved in common usage. I dont know if it's different in other languages though

Still you phrased your point better than the other guy, so theres that

CreativeAd9898 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:13 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Pelagos once was trans. But in the afterlife he is a male kyrian. His soul was put into a new body.

wowguineapigs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:32 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Iโ€™m assuming that when she turns back to dragon form itโ€™s still a male dragon body?

Morthra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:37 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Has Chromie ever turned into dragon form in front of the player?

Eredun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:17:07 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

She has a few times, for example in the Culling of Stratholme and during the WoD Legendary questline. Though there aren't gendered dragon models so it doesn't really answer the question wowguineapigs had

psychospacecow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:33 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Frozen Throne Time Stratholme dungeon

wowguineapigs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:05:17 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I remember her turning into a whelp to follow us around, but ofc you canโ€™t make out any genitals

mariosau ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:22 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Not with that attitude!

ScionMattly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:27 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

It's honestly not surprising, can't many reptiles change gender to reproduce, dependant on environmental factors? Not wholly surprising that dragons, being roughly in that family and able to completely transform their species and body, would see gender in a much different light than we do.

mariosau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:57 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

There was a theory from a while back that Chromie was a male dragon-female gnome, since their dragon name was Chronormu, which matches male dragons (see Zidormi female, and Nozdormu male) which was kinda left unanswered.

With the short story Visage day (fully canon, since it's from Blizzard themselves) we have confirmation that Chronormu was initially referred as a he, and by the end as a she.

Chubs441 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:22 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Chromie makes sense as gnome as they are tinkerers and would likely have invented clocks in the wow universe which would appeal to chromie

Babywipeslol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:28 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Well in these videos they have the forms during the first legion invasion which is before blood elves so still probably hand waived

Jristz ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:13:05 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

There is a dragon with a Vulpera visage form out there and I will find them and pet them

Arrentoo ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:17:53 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I could be totally wrong, but I think one of the very earliest NPCs you meet after landing in the Dragon Isles is a dragon with a Vulpera Visage. I could be misremembering though and it may just be a Vulpera.

I can check later after work.

kid-karma ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:35:49 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

No you're right, it's a dragon

GnomeConjurer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:23 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

what flight?

needconfirmation ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:41:43 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Red

GnomeConjurer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:47:14 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

as long as it wasn't blue, the true best flight ๐Ÿ™

tmb-- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:45 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

but I think one of the very earliest NPCs you meet after landing in the Dragon Isles is a dragon with a Vulpera Visage

Not just any NPC, but the Majordomo of the Red flight.

RoyInverse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:57:17 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Theres one on DF

Lichelf ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:44:02 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

IIRC they all looked human-ish back in Day of the Dragon (2001) but like, weird humans. Nozdormu was made of sand, Malygos was unnaturally pale and dressed like a jester or something. So back then it could be assumed they took a form similar to the Titans who uplifted them.

Eventually Dragons in WoW just became a boring type of elves that also sometimes turn into dragons when it's off cooldown or something.
Meanwhile the aspects lost their unique designs and character traits (like Nozdormu sssounding like thissss) and they just became wise elves who look conventionally attractive and talk and act just like everyone else.

feel_good_account ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:49:21 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

The black dragons at least pretended to be human nobles in stormwind.

--Pariah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:48 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

They choose their forms at will to fit in, basically. While they have a hard-on for elves those aren't the exclusive races for. There's theoretically also not much stopping an aspect from taking on another form, but aside the blacks they're not infiltrators like nathrezim but rather want to be recognized as diplomats or messengers.

Neltharion and Kalecgos go with humans, Ebyssian with a tauren, Chromie took the form of a gnome.

Guess a whole lot of handwaving aside the initial form they took depends on which race they interacted with a lot canonically. Neltharion and onyxia stuck with humans because they infiltrated stormwind at some point (and despite canonically having human visages way before that's the first big lore-relevance so the timeline here doesn't necessarily have to make sense). Ebyssian goes with hmt tauren because that's where he's hanging out, Ysera nelf because emerald dream being strongly connected to druid and nightelf.

In the end a lot in there probably is hand-waved and they went with elf as default because the "noble, ageless, wise" stereotypes kind of can be funneled in both dragon and elf easily.

Not much horde representation in there intruigingly. Where's my orc dragon blizz?

Randomixx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:06 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Vaelastrasz used an orc form in LBRS back in the day, but you're right, there absolutely needs to be more variety.

RoyInverse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:55:41 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Maybe highelves look like aspects, have you tought of that?

Dgdxem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:20 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

They never had visage forms before the mortal races came to Azeroth. They only adapted these so they could live amongst them and learn more about them. It's explained in the Visage Day short story.

pixelprophet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:55 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I thought they picked visages to not be threatening. Hence why Deathwings Visage is very threatening

DankMemerCatGamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:46 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Dragons can take on the form of anything. They just choose humanoid forms for practical reasons and to spy on mortals. Deathwing and Onyxia are both good examples.

nemestrinus44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:39 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

They can probably take on whatever form they want to, they just take on elf/human forms (and gnome for chromie) because that is the most pleasing shape for the people of Azeroth to converse with.

GrumpySatan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:20 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Its stated in short stories and I think somewhere in Dragonflight that visage forms can change over time. Likely they weren't actually in these forms until the races became active (though humans did exist in this period, they were just primative).

Realistically, visually they want the visages to be obvious and recognizable for most of the characters so visually they look like they do in the modern time even if they wouldn't have in reality.

Dannihilate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:49 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Since this is basically a Power Point presentation that Nozzy is doing, I assume he used their current visage forms so that the audience would recognize them, rather than whatever forms they probably initially took on back 10-20k years ago.

cerylidae1552 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:49 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

If you read the short story โ€œvisage day,โ€ you learn that they get to pick their humanoid form. They can look like anything they want.

CrebTheBerc ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:56:28 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think OP's point is that they picked forms of things that didn't exist yet, or at least that's how it's portrayed

Ysara ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:59:03 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Yep!

Ysara ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:01:21 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I know they can choose, the question is why they chose the forms of humanoids that didn't exist yet or weren't widely known.

Nozdormu I would understand, since he can see most anywhere in time. Ysera too, since night elves existed before Deathwing betrayed the Aspects. But everyone else there seems to be no explanation for.

DOOMFOOL ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:36:30 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I mean the explanation is perfectly simple, they just took a basic humanoid template from races that did exist and changed them to suit their tastes. I donโ€™t really see why it has to be anything other than that

onomatophobia1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:00 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

They literally took forms of races that started to exist in the future without knowing this. Also, I wouldn't say a high elve or a human is a basic humanoid form. I don't think that exists.

DOOMFOOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:03 on November 7, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Night elves were around and so were Vrykul, both of which are just different versions of high elves and humans. Idk this particular thing just doesnโ€™t bother me I suppose

onomatophobia1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:43 on November 7, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I am 90% sure that there were no intelligent races before the aspects got their new form and intelligence. And long before night elves or vrykuls were arround there were trolls. Yeah I understand. I just wished the wow universe made sense and was consistent.

DOOMFOOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:40 on November 7, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I guess we just donโ€™t know. I feel pretty sure that there absolutely were at least trolls when the Aspects got their powers since they got their power from the Titans and the Titans didnโ€™t show up until the Black Empire was in full swing, and iirc trolls predate the Old Gods

Pink_her_Ult ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:32 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Deathwings human form could simply be a modified vyrkul to look less intimidating.

Ofish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:14 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Do we see them take these forms in those times?

Ysara ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:58:40 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Well the cutscene this is taken from shows all 5 Aspects together, so it was before the War of the Ancients, and High Elves/Humans didn't exist until after that time.

Ofish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:11 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I see. Humanoid type forms could be inspired by the titans, but for them to basically be humans and elves does seem weird

[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:56 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

They look like elves because elves are the first people to be truly civilized, so the dragons took their form to blend in.

Of course, the Black dragons seem to prefer human forms.

But they can take any humanoid form they want.

Tigertot14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:29 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Neltharionโ€™s visage should be a Drogbar.

Dongodor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:06 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Humans look like titans so that make sense if they took a titan like form

Karamaru_Crow ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:10:13 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Kind of weird that Naltharion is disguised as a race that doesn't exist yet

Tigertot14 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:30:04 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

He should be a Drogbar.

fiftyseven ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:26:00 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

we are all drogbar on this blessed day

fnixdown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:57 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Speak for yourself.

Dissidence802 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:54 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I am all drogbar on this blessed day.

Dongodor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:06:46 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Titans look like human to be fair

Foobis25 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 18:10:52 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think so. And Neltharian/Deathwing with normal armor instead of his face jaw thing and being all molten core

Carnach ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:46:55 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

He is hot

calf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:51:49 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I agree

Shadowfel_Archivist ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:12:38 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Deathwing took a form of a race that didn't even existed back then. An evil human with slick black hair. He reminds of of Giovanni from Team Rocket.

TheLichling ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:21 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Iโ€™m pretty sure the Vrykul had been hit by the Curse of Flesh by this point and depending on when they devolved into humans, there might have been some primitive human tribes in Northrend/Lordaeron. So it is less weird to see a human form for one of the aspects than it is that 3 of the 5 aspects have high elf forms when all elves would have been night elves at that point.

Tigertot14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:12 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

He should be a Drogbar.

starcoder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:43 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

They made a sweet looking human model with a sick maceโ€ฆโ€ฆ and they used the model in like one leveling quest, never to be seen again ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

TheMickeyWilson ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:32:44 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Hang on, maybe Iโ€™ve missed something, but why do the Aspects always appear in High Elf form? I always thought that the High Elves came about after the Sundering when the Highborne were exiled to the Eastern Kingdoms?

Edit: Spelling

Hassadar ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:31:49 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

While I don't think there's been an official answer, they generally picked a race when around essentially lesser races that would reflect their age and mystic aura which ended up being High Elfs that have long life spans. Granted, the Dark trolls are older. Also, in the book the Twilight of the Aspects, I believe Korialstrasz and Alextrasza took those forms to make out and made reference to the feel of smooth skin that scales did not offer.

Tyrygosa also states the Elven look as the more aesthetically pleasing.

Dannihilate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:17:55 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Since this is basically a Power Point presentation that Nozzy is doing, I assume he used their current visage forms so that the audience would recognize them, rather than whatever forms they probably initially took on back 10-20k years ago.

GuiltyEidolon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:56:55 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Nah, the short story with Chromie implies pretty strongly that they choose their visages to be long-term. But in the new short, Noz does imply that they only took high elven forms once high elves were actually around.

Thrent_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:47:21 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

The mortal form they take is up to their liking, but fixed once they picked it.

So my head canon is that the aspects didn't really bother with one until they met the high elves and decided to mingle with them, hence the elven form of all aspects.

Doogiesham ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:44:44 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

fixed once they pick it

Unless they go to the barber. Those people are miracle workers these days

onomatophobia1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:16 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

but fixed once they picked it.

source? cos I don't think that's true at all but I could be wrong. As far as I know, they polymorph to whatever they wanted. If they wanted to appear as a baby the could do it.

met the high elves and decided to mingle with them

I could be wrong here too but the point of the person you are responding to is that they look like high elves despite there no being any high elves. Which is even more weird when you supposedly only have this humanoid form to mingle with the young races. It would make more sense for them to change their form based on the society they are interacting with.

Thrent_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:46 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

There was a short story about Chromie & how she got that gnome form iirc, and it describes how dragons obtain that visage form through a ceremony at wyrmrest temple

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Visage_Day

So it would make sense that this visage form becomes your baseline mortal form considering all the efforts that go with it.

As for the high elves, how so ?

Dragons probably ignored the troll civilizations due to them being little more than savages at the time but got interested when high elves appeared. Judging them to be "worthy" they decides to interact with mortal races & took an elven form, end of the head canon.

And that only stands for the older dragons as younger ones have appearances ranging from gnomes to vulperas.

onomatophobia1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:03 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I am pretty sure that the visage form is still not fixed. They video just shows that they decide on just one to use all the time.

Regarding the high elves. Long before these even existed there were civilized trolls (at one point they were savages for sure but at another point they must have seen their super empire that pretty spamed through the whole continent before the sundering) and most importantly: night elves. Those are just some.

Which also doesn't really explain why ysera would look like one long before they even existed.

Thrent_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:18 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Feels like I missed something, what do you mean by Ysera looking like a high elf before they appeared ?

Aren't the oldest "footages" dating back to the war of the ancients ? If so I take that back, I worked under the assumption that we only saw these elven forms around that era.

onomatophobia1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:19 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I meant she looks like a night elf before these even existed. And before high elves existed, night elves existed before high elves and they did have at some point a good relationship with the dragons.

TBH at the end of the day this is blizzard and some fantasy game. A lot of things wont make sense and its bound to have possible inconsistencies or illogical stuff or even plot holes.

Mirimes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:18 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

tbf since elves were a single race high elves and night elves should have looked similar at the time they splitted

kebeckistan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:13 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think they all looked like Night Elves, the "High Elves" were mostly a social distinction, like being a noble. The High Elves that were then exiled and moved to the Eastern Kingdoms probably looked like NEs, created the Sunwell, then became pale skinned?

I think? I'm not 100% on this.

onomatophobia1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:01 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

This is a good question to which you are not given any answer. Why do they have the form of high elves if they actually never met one, wouldn't know how they looked like because they didn't exist yet.

It would make more sense for them to have the form of a race that currently exists.

Liliana_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:31 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Wasn't Ysera a Night Elf?

OberonFirst ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:24 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Dream Blood Elf mage transmog.

Namorath82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:52:10 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

dragons sure have a kink for Elves

landsoflore2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:54:51 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Man, I really, REALLY dig dat xmog /drool

Vedney ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:14:21 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
hellscream92 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I thought malygos was dead

Elune ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:32:23 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

He is, the picture is from the new dragonflight animation video, the context is you're seeing flash backs and this was from when Malygos was alive.

hellscream92 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:41:20 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Ooooh I see thanks, I havenโ€™t played retail in quite awhile and was just kinda confused if something wild happened ๐Ÿ˜‚

๐ŸŽ™๏ธ Sylvanas_only ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:24:16 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

This is a vision from the past

EvokeNightScale ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:32 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Nope! You can see him in Uldular :)

Tyberious_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:17 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Korialstraz also used an orc form once when returning Broxigar's axe to Thrall. If I remember correctly.

AdSpiritual4775 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:39 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

The perspective on the belt is making me insane.

jcjonesacp76 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:12 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

What? No, he was in WOTLK, have you not seen it?

Tarterus1454 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:29 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I believe the first time we see his human form is in WotLK

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/npc=33535/malygos

Lenxor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:30 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Looks like a male version of Miao Ying from Warhammer.

Throgg_not_stupid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:43 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

they could hook up, his last wife is also very cold and aloof

Parking-Impact5589 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:44 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Huh, thought he'd be fat. Wasn't Malgos' dragon form in The Eye pudgy?

hesitationz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:08 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

More like daddygos

midved ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:22:28 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

We see it in dragon soul raid.

Basic_Suggestion3476 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:35 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Am I the only one that wonders how 3/5 aspects had high elf form, during the time only night elves & satyrs existed?

TheLichling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:05 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I think about this all the time. It made sense to see them that way in modern times as they could have changed their forms, but literally only Ysera and potentially Neltharion had historically appropriate visage forms.

Mr_mcBOW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:35 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I wanna see him bouncing around all insane like in day of the dragon

Ogbaba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:03 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Final fantasy?

LeCampy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:11:55 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

First and prolly last

tapiocatsar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:58 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Hopefully itโ€™s not the last ๐Ÿ‘€

Arn_Rdog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:50 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Dude looks goofy af

1amN0tar0b07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:51 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Yea no wonder he is an elf :D

IamTradewind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:34 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Not digging the spike-horn shoulderpads, doesn't seem like it'd be his thing

Mister-Bohemian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:32 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

That beautiful chest. The Titans bestowed fashion sense.

Useless_Lemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:14 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Just bought the pre order heroic version. Can't wait to gear up and fuck up Mythic Tomb lol.

Emperormaxis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:53 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Damn he's got some drip

Final-Verdict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:30 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Why is there a sword icon on him?

vivalatoucan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:55 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Wth he has a huge ass beard in dragon form

xXLil_ShadowyXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:02 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Idk but my boi is GORGEOUS

Caradin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:24 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Looks like a Mortal Kombat character

TaikoLeagueReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:29 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Shorty arms lol

ExcellentOrange934 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:58 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Super disappointing.... looked better in the book and was a human hybrid not just another elf.

LordFieldsworth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:26 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Looks sick

rollover90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:32 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Only time I can think of him in humanoid form was Day of the Dragon, and heโ€™s insane so itโ€™s shifting constantly and half insectiod. Honestly the whole visage form is dumb as hell, Krasus canonically has multiple forms he uses, and also I donโ€™t like how Deathwing looked, heโ€™s described in the books as devilishly handsome in human form

brokenpromises234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:30 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

He looks so sexy I wish we get to see more of them

Awnastasia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:38 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

I really want my evokers female visage form to be a belf. I hope they add more options.

Dexiuss1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:07 on November 2, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

What is this from?

bloodmoth13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:11 on November 3, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

Did elves evolve to look like dragons or did dragons really wait till elves existed to look like them?

Physical_Button9459 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:32 on November 12, 2022 ยท (Permalink)

it is unknown if malygos does have beard and mustache.