Excuse me, but you shall address him with his full title of
THE ARCHLICH OF NAXXRAMAS, ESTEEMED LICH LORD OF THE PLAGUELANDS, COMMANDER OF THE DREAD NECROPOLIS, MASTER AND FOUNDER OF THE CULT OF THE DAMNED,formerlyofthecouncilofsix,CREATOR OF THE ABOMINATION, CORRUPTER OF THE SUNWELL, SUMMONER OF ARCHIMONDE THE DEFILER, BETRAYER OF HUMANITY, HEARTHSTONE ENTHUSIAST, AND MAJORDOMO TO THE LICH KING HIMSELF, KEL'THUZAD."
Kael'thelas's voice lines when defeated were probably the best I ever heard in the game.
The delivery was just so visceral.
Also, Kael's voice actor also voices my favorite character in LoL, Jhin
And Jhin is just amazing. I've never felt a such a strong connection to a character you play, it feels like you're slowly descending into his madness as he whispers into your ear about beauty and art.
Like, I could link a 29 minute of all his voice lines, or a 10 minute one with a song underlayer, but here's a 1 minute sample of Jhin's lines dubbed over Bob Ross: https://youtu.be/SypN-EZQNxo
Excuse me, but yuw shaww addwess him wif his fuww titwe of
THE AwCHwICH OF NAXXwAMAS, ESTEEMED wICH wOwD OF THE PwAGUEwANDS, COMMANDEw OF THE DwEAD NECwOPOwIS, MASTEw AND FOUNDEw OF THE CUwT OF THE DAMNED,fowmewwyofdecounciwofsix,CwEATOw OF THE ABOMINATION, COwwUPTEw OF THE SUNWEww, SUMMONEw OF AwCHIMONDE THE DEFIwEw, BETwAYEw OF HUMANITY, HEAwTHSTONE ENTHUSIAST, AND MAJOwDOMO TO THE wICH KING HIMSEwF, KEw'THUZAD." uwu
KT has a special place in my heart from Naxx40 (never got far enough to see him back then- my guild couldn't down Sapph before TBC) so I love this rendition of him.
Oh, I'm sure. I've heard good things about it, I just have so little time to play the games I'm really interested in, so it may be a while before I get to it. Plus I know the "twist" or whatever, with how you play the game.
I maintain the theory that all major 'villians' of WOW are actually just utilitarians. I predict that the void lords believe that all life is suffering, and that the universe would be a better place without life.
Isn't there some heavy hints that N'Zoth is expecting some sort of currently unknown and greater threat? Most likely the thing that Sylvanas bargained with?
My guess would be something Light-based that wants to turn everything into some sort of lightforged undead so that the Void doesn't have anything to corrupt anymore.
also definitely a possibility. I do not expect the holy undead calia menethil to be a good guy. I think it would be nice to explore a light-based enemy again too, the Horde and dark magic have been in the spotlight for a while now. Maybe we can see the Alliance doing some questionable things in support of the light, only to realize their faith was misplaced later
One little fact that I think is interesting is that Anduin is a disc priest, meaning he uses both light and shadow. In his hearthstone character art, this is seen very clearly. That could be a neat little thing to expand upon when we get to the light vs void expack.
That or pretty much any fantasy work featuring a battle between "Order" and "Chaos". There's always a point when Order win enough battle that they become the problem as their ultimate goal is to make everything static.
OK, that could be a wonderful story line, a thing that trying to prevent the creation of corrupted while essentially creating its own form of corrupted.
Platycel ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:23:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If the Lightforged Undead meme would go away already it would be great
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it's pretty much "someone resurected and with golden eyes".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:44 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, visually sure. We haven't seen Calia Menethil in game yet, so we can only assume that's the case.
From a lore perspective, that's not true at all. All the speculation points to lightbound undead being essentially lifeless puppets being manipulated and completely animated only by some manifestation of the light. It is not at all clear how much of the original is left
Exactly my point, there is like 5 pages total in book talking about the ritual and it was mostly just a "by power of friendship we will save her", not some deep lore moment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:18 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"By power of friendship we will save her"
That's a bizarre takeaway from what was clearly supposed to be a very important moment; the light doing something we up until this point didn't know the light could do in the first place. This is especially the case given that this whole expansion has been focussed on death, and reanimation.
This is even more true now that we've seen N'Zoth resurrect Azshara. Is this something all the six forces of the cosmos map can do? We know that Death, Void, Life (with the red dragonflight rezz'ing Bolvar in WotLK) and now Light are capable of it, so what about Fel and Arcane?
All of which is to say, it's a weird take and people have every right to be excited about what this could mean lore wise.
Azshara never died though. Ever heard of unconsciousness?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:00 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's very strongly implied that she died and that she was rezzed. Admittedly, we don't know definitively either way. The rest of the point definitely still stands either way
You think our Lord and Savior Tentacle Boi did it to make Il'gynoth's words come true?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:41 on July 13, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Even the sound design implied it, the way the weird smoke tentacle grips her, and there is that brief defibrillator sound when he squeezes. Idk, either way I think it's probs a red herring by Blizzard, and the third death is still going to be Azeroth.
I don't think it would be worse than the void lords, but maybe worse than just n'zoth. probably something that feeds on souls, maybe it wants to eat the world soul
During the Horde-only Vol'jin storyline. Talanji decides to have Vol'jin's ashes interred in Atal'dazar (big honor for trolls), so you bring his urn there. But when you go to do it, Bwonsamdi appears and commands you to bring the urn to his Necropolis in Nazmir, because Vol'jin's spirit is not in his realm. When you do, Bwonsamdi discovers that his spirit isn't in the urn either. He says "da boss ain't gonna like dis". Afterwards is the quest chain about summoning his spirit and figuring out what happened the day he died and named Sylvanas warchief, and what happened to his spirit afterwards.
Rhombico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:13 on February 16, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
lol, how'd you find us 2 years later? Sadly I gave up wow after getting kicked from my guild during the first tier of shadowlands. I hear the lore got awkward with Sylvanas's story, but I've been avoiding wow news since then
If you play on alliance and need a guild in the future lmk.
I doubt they would kick you. It's been around since tbc and has decent progression stats historically. Invariably it has been the best raiding guild on the realm for alliance. The next patch drops later this month so I imaginr everyone will be coming back in full force
Rhombico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:22 on February 16, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
appreciate the offer :) I don't think I'm ready though, really hurt. I've been trying ff14 to scratch that mmo itch for now, and catching up on all the games I wanted to play but didn't have time for. Good luck in the new raid!
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:30:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's always a bigger evil.
I'm just waiting patiently before we return to the elements, and it turns out there is a 5th element, which is pure evil or something.
I have no clue honestly but i didn't just come up with this i believe this is in chronicles. Maybe certain kinds of elents are present at certain planets?
Nah, just blizzard introducing the warhammer deities into warcraft, every pantheon thinks the other guys are utterly evil and the universe will be better off without them (Nurgle with Tzeentch, Necrons vs the creations of the gods, imperium vs Tyranids, etc)
Shovi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:56:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Xero0911 ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 11:50:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Was this legit for the army of undead?
They were countering the legion? I mean I assume it was just Arthas being a dick.
Gorshun ยท 935 points ยท Posted at 11:53:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Originally the Scourge was created by the Legion to weaken Azeroth before the main invasion.
Except immediately after Ner'zhul was made into the Lich King he started plotting to work against the Legion because he hated them so much.
Xero0911 ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 11:56:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Never knew this. So they also created the Lich King who then basically made his army to the reverse (kinda) and prepare for the legions main invasion?
Ner'zhul is his own person, he's sentient. He gets locked in the Frozen Throne to raise the Scourge but limit his power by the Legion. He gets Arthas to take up Frostmourne and march to Icecrown to free him. The Legion realizes the plot and sends Illidan to fuck Arthas up and they have a big fight at the Frozen Throne.
Arthas, being the Billy Badass he is, fucks Illidan up then goes and shatters the ice around the throne containing the helmet Ner'zhul is bound to. Slaps the helmet on, sits upon the throne and becomes the Lich King.
Woah woah woah now, Arthas didn't fuck Illidan up, the man barely escaped his asskicking with the world's luckiest swipe with his sword, because Ner'zhul basically poured all his power into the strike
luktaros ยท 554 points ยท Posted at 12:23:49 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Right but illidan dickslapped a titan (who are higher on the hierarchy than gods) while arthas got killed by a bunch of level 80s, and now has his former citadel farmed weekly by 120s for his beloved horse that is pimped out harder than a half priced whore. Illidan also casually fucked a naโaru up without even needing to use his glaives.
Arthas has it good for a while, but illidan got to fulfill his life goal and is remembered as a hero. Plus his bootie is thick in those 1000 year old carpi pants while arthas was scrawny as hell.
He didnโt die though, and he got his redemption arc. Arthas is extra dead, and the only person who can bring him back is one who he tortured into a charred husk so negative chance thatโll happen for arthas.
I mean arthas' will could live on in the helmet is so form you dont know
Pamelm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This, whe killed Ner'zhul in the Helmet of Domination, meaning that Arthas more than likely moved in there and is influencing Bolvar meaning he could theoretically influence Bolvar to resurrect him but why do that when he has partial control of a being equivalent to a god on Azeroth
We killed an echo of Nerzhul inside the fragments of Frostmourne, not the Helm, if you're talking about the DK quest. They both could still be clattering around in there.
Luvas ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:52:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly unfair statement.
Fighting the Legion was a pipe dream back in Arthas' time, and he was the most threatening thing around when he made his last stand. It took "a bunch"(read: at least 20 people against him alone) of level 80s and divine intervention to stop Arthas.
Sure one Beerus can smack him down without a sweat but it still took 20+ Vegetas when he was current content and they still technically didn't win.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:22 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Us fighting him for an hour and then getting frozen was what gave him the will of strength to call on the light and break out of his own ice. He saw how hard we tried and it gave him the burst he needed to end it.
The Scourge itself wasn't more than a decade old at the start of WoW I don't think, and probably less than that. It was created shortly after Ner'zul blew up Draenor I think. And Arthas himself was a human and as such not 10,000+ years old.
Illidan is on fel drugs and got blessed by Sargeras himself.
I like night elf lore as much as the next guy, but they are not gods of destruction. I think Knaak wrote them to be a tad too powerful and since then people give them a bit too much credit.
It is stated in the Illidan novel that he was weakened during the fight, I give you that.
Illinois would still have thousands of years of experience with a blade and his tremendous natural talent for sorcery to Arthasโ <10 years with a blade and however you want to rate his abilities as a paladin. So Illinois would win with no external power sources.
Illidan left himself open for attack and Arthas pressed on it. It's in the cinematic, unless there is some book lore that explains it that i'm not aware of
Edit: brain switched some words lol
DorkNow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:44:07 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
don't know about Arthas book, but it definitely is in Chronicles
Shovi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:08:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Have you not done the demon hunter intro? Maybe he's not an outright demon, but through all the changes he suffered over the years his soul is like a demon's now, in that it goes to the twisting nether like a demon's.
You have a choice to make in the intro, sacrifice an npc or yourself, and if you choose yourself, after you die, Illidan will say that like him you have an immortal demon soul and it will go to the twisting nether waiting for a body to inhabit. (but that was a bit weird, since that spot, from what i know, is halfway into the twisting nether, and when demons die in places like that, or in the twisting nether outright, they die for good; guess it was an oversight/plot hole on blizzard's part)
I can swear I remember his torso and his lower half being on opposite sides of the screen as Arthas walked away. Mind you, it's been like fifteen years or something since that game came out -- but I'm almost positive. Might be a Mandela Effect thing though
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
get pwned
say "I wasn't seriously trying"
blame the other guy for using outside help
lie on the floor bleeding regardless
I remember Illidan using the skull of Gul'dan, too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, it's an army on army full scale war, and you still think that it's unfair Ner'Zhul gave his champion and vessel Arthas a power-up to not die?
Not really? Thats never been my point. My point has just been that Illidan didn't get fucked up, he lost in a moment of arrogance when nerzhul autopiloted frostmourne into his side while he gloated.
True, but that's all Illidan needed to lose. It's a recurrent theme with the Legion, they've conquered and destroyed so many planets they literally dont understand how to respond when they start actually losing for once. They've become so careless in their arrogance for so long that they have become decrepit from within, unable to defeat the militarily inferior army on paper, but far more motivated to actually win the conflict. If Illidan didn't fuck around he would have kicked Arthas' ass.
Alelnh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Arthas was all around poisoned by Sylvanas arrow, he was in pretty bad shape and still beat Illidan at his prime.
After the Third War, Illidan was visited by Kil'jaedin who offered immense power in exchange for the Lich King's defeat. Illidan recognized the Lich King as a threat that needed to be dealt with anyway, and he was never one to say no to more power. His first attempt was to remotely destroy Ice Crown magically using the Eye of Sargeras, but this was stopped by Night Elves who simply saw a very demonic Illidan hanging out with Naga and using demonic artifacts to cause massive earthquakes. When that situation is cleared up, Illidan flees to Outland to try and escape Kil'jaedin's wrath over his failure.
Outland at the time was under the rule of the demon Magtheridon, and Illidan built up an army to oust him from the Black Temple; eventually imprisoning him in Hellfire Citadel where he would be used to create Fel Orcs to bolster the Illidari ranks.
Kil'jaedin found Illidan ruling over Outland, and because demons are conniving and often willing to betray each other for power, he did not recognize Illidan's attack on the Legion at Black Temple for what it was. Kil'jaedin thought that Illidan was simply gathering his forces to make another attempt on the Lich King and reminded Illidan that he will destroy him and retake Outland if he fails. Illidan feigned allegiance yet again shortly before failing again.
He then fled back to Outland where he started preparing for the Legion to inevitably come for him, only to be defeated in Burning Crusade by the Alliance and Horde expeditions.
Hust91 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Was Kil'Jaeden really fooled though?
I got the impression that he knew precisely what Illidan was doing and came in person to set him straight back on the job.
That's a good point. It's hard to tell for sure from this cutscene, but Kil'jaeden has a very "is that so?" tone to his voice could be interpreted as him either believing or humoring Illidan in the moment.
Hust91 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:02:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly thought it was just him going "Of course you were. And now, unless you want to pay up your debt right here and now using your soul, you are going to go right ahead and finish the job, of course."
intiia1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is that Kil'Jaeden being there in person or just his avatar/projection?
I can't seem to find any definitive statements either way, but I've always assumed that was just an avatar he projected in order to communicate to Illidan. He is a master of illusions and deception after all, and I doubt he made many appearances in person. Even if that was literally him appearing in seconds and vanishing just as quickly on Outland, I suspect it had to have been a projection when he first contacted Illidan off-screen based on the fact that he needed the power of the Sunwell to reach Azeroth in person at the end of BC.
Illidan was never one to say no to more power... except that one time it was offered with no strings attached to allow him to do exactly what he "always" wanted, to which he responded by blowing up a naaru.
The Void Lords are the opposite of the Light, and are the source of Old God power.
Old Gods infest planets/growing Titans and seek to corrupt them.
Sargeras was a Titan tasked with eliminating the Old Gods and essentially waging war on the Void, but concluded this more or less futile, and decided just destroying all the planets/baby Titans was the best way to prevent the Void Lords from gaining power. He then created the Burning Legion by freeing some demons he imprisoned earlier, to help him in his quest.
I might be off in a minor detail or two, been a while since I brushed up on lore, but yeah, essentially the Void is the ultimate evil as far as we know, and the Burning Legion's whole point is to combat their spread.
How did they retcon illidan doing the legions bidding?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:16:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC no retcon was necessary, Illidan always hated the Legion but essentially acted as a double agent. It was the Legion who burned out his eyes and made him into the demon hunter he became. He was just a regular night elf before that. He worked for them until his eventual betrayal of them, but he always planned to do that.
At what point did he betray them? And why were there still demons serving him?
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:00:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
During the war of the ancients when the well of eternity was destroyed, which was what split Kalimdor and EK apart. Sargeras believed Illidan would acquire the dragon soul in order to empower the burning legions portal (as they we're looking to be summoned into Azeroth). Instead, Illidan betrayed the burning legion and he and Malfurion used the dragon soul to close the portal instead.
However, Illidan was always trying to become more powerful and after having his eyes burned out by Sargeras he had a vision of the legions true might. He knew that stopping them on Azeroth wasn't enough. He was concerned that the destruction of the well of eternity was too high a price to pay since it was the source of power, and potentially the immortality, of the elves. So he took a few vials of its water and created a new well of eternity in Hyjal which is what ultimately landed him imprisoned. The other elves disagreed with this action since it was the power of the well that ultimately corrupted Azshara and nearly allowed her to bring Sargeras to Azeroth.
As for the demons serving him I assume you mean the demon hunters? They, like Illidan, are using fire to fight fire, except in this case fire is fel. If you meant the demons in Black Temple in Outland, it's because Illidan fled there after escaping imprisonment to regroup. Outland was ruled by Magtheridon at the time so he defeated and imprisoned Mag and took control of Outland, including the demons that served Mag.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there is a lot more to his story that I've kind of skipped over since this is a timeline spanning 10k years. But there's a lot of back and forth Illidan had with Kil'jaeden regarding his mission to kill Arthas. Illidan did fear the wrath of the legion to some extent, and even after his first betrayal in the war of the ancients he was able to convince KJ he was still in their service.
But he failed to kill Ner'zhul twice (the second time at the hands of Arthas) and ultimately fled, heavily wounded and with the aid of Vashj and Kael'thas, back to Outland where he became the self proclaimed lord of the land and began conquering the territories in order to prepare for the legion invasion he anticipated due to his failure to kill the lich king. The demons in service of him were just one component, since he also had the naga, the Sin'dorei elves, the illidari and a new army of fel orcs he was creating.
Illidan is not necessarily good or bad, depending on what you believe is worth sacrificing to defeat the legion. During BC we saw him as a villain because to the people of Outland he was, but when fighting in Legion he was our ally. Ultimately that was his enemy all along, and anyone who got in his way was not shown mercy.
After killing Magtheridon, Illidan gets visited by KilJaeden who, instead of killing Illidan, gives him a second chance to bolster up and attack Arthas. I'm sure here is where it's cool that he leads Burning Legion demons (and shortly after that we attack him at BT) but I'm not sure if there was a civil war or not between BL demons and demons loyal to Illidan after the events of BT.
There were definitely many who stayed even after his true intentions are revealed, chiefly among them Matron Mother as a key supporting demon that helps demon hunters in their storyline in Legion.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:41:46 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Illidari were his own mini-Legion until we took his transmog at the Black Temple
dwt4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant video for proof of how much a pussy Illidan is.
He didn't. It's why he so heavily focused on turning arthas. It's like Kerrigan and the overmind. He didn't have true autonomy so he went and made someone who would.
Yeah he lacked autonomy. He wasn't able to do anything his dread lord jailers didn't let him. He setup arthas' fall to make it look like it was all part of the plan to bring down the human kingdom when he was really creating a vessel that would grant him his freedom.
Vark675 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:24:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think the more concise way to put it is that he simply lacked physical autonomy. Seeing how he was a spooky voice in an uncomfortably cold hat.
xR34ct ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is from now on my favorite description of the Lich King pre Arthas taking up the helm of domination
So the Undead came to be on Azeroth when the Legion took the twisted, tortured soul of Ner'zhul (who had failed them on Draenor and tried to escape them) and bound helm to the Helm of Domination. The Helm was created to control the Undead, giving them purpose and direction so that they could weaken Azeroth's defenders. The Helm/Ner'zhul combo was then sealed in a block of magical ice and launched into Northrend. As he was being hurtled towards Icecrown, Nerzhul managed to launch a tiny bit of his soul out of the ice through a crack, which attached to the cursed runeblade Frostmourne. Using the Undead and a tentative link to Kel'thuzad (who i think encountered Ner'zhuls soul on a tirp to Northrend), he was able to manipulate Arthas into coming to Northrend and taking up Frostmourne.
After the events of Warcraft 3: the Frozen Throne, Arthas shattered the block of ice and freed the Helm of Domination, whereupon he placed it on his head. There the souls of Arthas and Nerzhul fused, and the Lich King was created.
I don't know if you could strictly say the Lich King's end goal was to fight the Legion, but it is worth noting that a dreadlord (Lieutenant race of the Burning Legion) manipulated the Scarlet Crusade into traveling north to fight the Undead.
Now I'm not 100% on this and stand to be corrected, but I believe the helmet when ner'zhul got it was just him in there, but then he recruited Arthas with frostmourne, if Arthas just took the helmet he wouldn't have been as corrupt, it was the sword that ruined him. But now that the 2 of them are in the helmet, its thought that they are trying to corrupt Bolvar.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 12:05:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how that works out. You think the warchief would have responded better to his grand manipulation, mutation, enslavement and repeated betrayal of his people, destruction of his world, and finally murder and reconstruction of his very soul, better.
Ner'Zhul might have been a secret goodie but Arthas ironically made the Scourge pretty much pure evil.
Gorshun ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 12:23:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ner'zhul wasn't really a secret goodie at all. He didn't care if Azeroth went up in flames as long as the Legion went with it. He was completely in it for himself.
Nerzhul was technically just another orc immigrant coming to azeroth. the difference is that is soul got twisted and put into the helm of domination to submit to the legion then sargeras yeeted him across the universe to land on azeroth.
Afaik Arthas actively held the scourge back, thats why Bolvar had to replace him because without Arthas being the scourge wouldve actually done that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How powerful is the Scourge that an unrestricted horde wouldโve posed a more significant threat? I thought it was the organization provided by the Lich king that made them an existential threat.
I donโt know any lore and only played WoW at the end of WOTLK onward.
Why was Arthas trying to get folks to storm Northrend anyway?
Pretty powerful, after all their most dangerous trait as an army is that their numbers increase as the number of their enemies decrease, so once they have a foothold, which they did, they could quickly go out of control.
You have to remember, even though we invaded northend, we barely scratched the scourge as a whole and focused on taking down their leaders, and even after we were done with that we still needed a replacement for the lich king because the "remnants" of the scourge were still massive enough for us to shit our pants.
Arthas wanted generals for his scourge, the best of the best, so he set up the whole invasion so that people could distinguish themselves as capable enough by slaying his current generals and reaching his throne, so that he can give them a final test, to then kill and resurrect them.
He murdered his own advisors, made a deal with Deathwing, and destroyed Draenor. He isn't a secrect goodie.
Farabee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They kind of tried to explain Arthas's motivations in Chronicle 3 of using the Scourge as the ultimate "united Azeroth" against external threats. Generally the same logic used by any dictatorial government.
Though to be completely fair, we see in the Ebon Blade from Legion an organization of neutral undead, united against the bad guys that doesn't give a rat's ass about your race or gender but what you can bring to the cause. Granted we made a few missteps along the way in accruing more power (such as pissing off the Silver Hand and Red Dragonflight) but ultimately did more good than harm.
The way I was told that the Bolvar isnโt the Lich King- that heโs a part of the Lich King. Like that the replace more Arthus with Bolvar is akin to changing a tyre on a car
Just because he's fighting the Legion doesn't mean he doesn't want to eradicte all life on Azeroth himself.
dwt4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't recall the Scourge ever directly confronting the Legion. In WC3 as soon as Archimonde is summoned he tells Kel'thuzad and Arthas to get lost and leaves for Mt. Hyjal (after destroying Dalaran). In the expansion Kil'jaeden orders Illidan to stop Arthas from reaching the Frozen Throne and merging with Ner'zhul but doesn't give him any demons to help out. Illidan has to rely on his Naga and Blood Elf allies. Even in WotLK the closest we see is the Scarlet Onslaught subplot where Mal'Ganis poses their leader, but it's debatable if that's in service to the Legion or if he is just out for revenge against Arthas.
We only defended Azeroth from a full on burning legion big dick assault in legion because we had weapons like the Ashbringer and a dark knife with the strength of an old god behind it etc. If the scourge couldn't predict the discovery of 36 unique and incredibly powerful artifacts the day the burning legion invaded, they would have been right in thinking they needed to be the big powerful inexhaustible defence for the planet (and world soul)
Technically itโs based off of ancient Chinese mythology. The monkey king is extremely powerful. Is Ashbringer even on the same level as an eons old claw of an old god? I think not.
An amazing mythology that spawned goku. The monkey king went from pretty strong monkey to equal to the jade emperor in a pretty short time. Itโs been a while but I think the only thing that stopped the monkey king was Buddha and thatโs because Buddha has infinite power and can fold space and time as if it were tissue paper.
Gameplay wise they were dumb. Hurr I'm going to put the talent system on weapons instead so people have even less weapon/xmog options and everyone is running around with the same thing. They're even more legendary because literally everyone has one.
Garrosh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:08:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wish you were able to change your artefact appearance. But, reading your comment I guess that's not possible at all and everybody went around with the same looking weapon.
With the xmog bit, I'm talking about your options being limited because now your weapon type is limited, whereas before Legion, people didn't get strongarmed into those weapon types.
And if you're just talking about it not being an issue that everyone has these because xmogs existed, did that really stop your entire server from running around with the ashbringer? I swear I saw an entire gaggle of human kids playing with some ashbringers that got tossed away. Started a fresh alt and went to the kobold mines in elwynn forest. Every single kobold had an ashbringer. Sure, a couple of them had green tinted ashbringers, but they were still clearly ashbringers.
Malifos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it.
If a cheeky Kobold can wield the Ashbringer, then why can't my Fury Warrior?
Unpopular opinion, but Iโve always hated the way ashbringer looked. Like itโs so close to being such an amazing looking weapon, but it suffers hard from that late 80s-early 90s โfat swordโ look. Gonna get shit on hard so might as well double down, I also think the buster sword is clunky as hell looking.
It's become a common theme in sci fi/fantasy entertainment. Like with Revan trying to turn the old Republic into a Sith Empire to rival the real Sith Empire that was gearing up for an invasion in an unexplored corner of the galaxy. All because the real Sith Emperor intended to devour all life in the galaxy, and he figured the people would be better off miserable but united under a militaristic civilization than all dead and trapped inside a Dark Side god.
Lordgenome acted as the big bad guy on Earth because he lost the war with the Antispirals and the only way he thought humanity could survive was to induce fear as a tyrant to suppress Spiral Energy.
The Antispirals went to war and eventually started to suppress all the Spiral races, including Earth/humanity, to stop Spiral Beings from evolving too much Spiral Energy that would eventually lead to creating a giant universe-ending black hole called the Spiral Nemesis.
What many donโt entirely realize is that the light is a force, nothing more. It can be used by anybody with a strong enough will and conviction, even for evil. Itโs another side of a coin, the other side being the void.
Both of these forces arenโt inherently bad or evil, but rather, one is maddening and one is calming.
Basically, the main character seeks to end the cycle of imprisoning the Dark One (so he's later released in an unending cycle) by killing him once and for all, but he realises that in killing the source of evil, people are left in a world with no need for morality. Each person is basically a drone that lacks true free will because they are unable to act in a way that is "evil".
A planet corrupted by the Light might be similar.
It's "good", but in a way that people don't have truly free will because they are forced to comply with the wishes of the light. This is what they were trying to hint at with the Angry Wind Chime Magical Tentacle-rape, and with Alternate Draenor having the crazy Light cult. Also with Alleria's story arc.
The Light and the Void aren't good and evil, they're just two forces in the universe that need to be kept in check. See this chart. So basically, every expansion or major boss has been us pushing back one of the powers that had grown too strong, be it Death (Scourge), Shadow (Void), of Fel(Burning Crusade).
So most predictions are that the next step will be that we unbalanced the forces in the opposite direction and we'll have to push back the other forces (Probably Light). The other possibility is that it's Bwonsamdi's boss, which would be back to Death.
It fits a lot of Warcraft(and games in general) writing that's it is just pretty base level and easy but the characters and larger world are the appealing things.
Actual nuance is hard so games often handwave it and just say things are a certain way.
The most horrific version is Maghar recruitment where bizzaro Draenor suddenly has the neo-Scarlet Crusade led by the most hippie Draneai who apparently had forgiven enslavement and attempted genocide by the Orcs. And they and the Light, the game tells us, is responsible for Draenor dying. And thats it, we get no more information, Maghar recruiting complete. Light is also bad and planet killing because shut up.
Or in your case Illidan touts himself as Mr Sacrifice but was unwilling to do so to achieve his ultimate goal and so the Queen Windchime(who earlier berated us for killing Illidan when he was a tyrannical slaver monster) is suddenly bad for attempting a thing Illidan did on the regular. But rather than hypocrisy "I AM MY SCARS" is supposed to be a powerful moment of self actualization and is displayed as such and also makes Light kinda bad.
Though that can just be explained as the fan favorite character getting shine because favorite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I hate that Iโll jump on the hype train as soon as the new expansion drops regardless of where the story goes since high-magic fantasy is my smutty, daytime TV pleasure, but I do sometimes wish my consumer demographic was a bit larger to be catered to.
MMOs simply arenโt as popular among gamers anymore. This means a lot of story writing needs to be less complex and follow a BBEG of the week format to appeal to the broader crowd.
Whatever, I watched power rangers as a kid and lost my shit every episode. Itโs definitely in my palate the same way McDonalds is.
At least Blizzard has stayed pretty consistent on PVE quality imo.
Anduin only brings Calia to the Gathering after his Bell Broken Bones tell him it's a good idea which I believe is tied to the Light. While there with Anduin, Calia, Turalyon (all major Light forces) they are completely unable to stop Sylvanas and Calia's shield dissipates so that she can be killed. The Light then raises Calia. For whatever reason the Light needed her dead and raised rather than how she was, it's got some weird creepy plans of its own.
Beiki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have little doubt that any grandiose beings in the Light see the mortal races as nothing more than tools to use against the Void. The Light does not oppose the Void because it is good. The Light opposes the Void because it is its nature.
Belerus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
Broekan ยท 442 points ยท Posted at 11:37:31 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Great comic
The scourge was created by the burning legion to ease the invasion of Azeroth but they went rogue.
The scarlet crusade was formed to stop the scourge before they went rogue and is now controlled by the burning legion and used to fight their former rebellious creation.
The burning legion is leaderless with sargeras being jailed by Illidan.
I don't know how I feel about a demonic power vacuum - Illidan isn't really doing anything and he's demon enough, can't they make him the new head of operations?
At least it would be more productive than him hanging out with the titans and pretending he's poking Sargeras with his glaives for other reasons than to annoy him.
And there is your argument against him coming back...
I kinda like being the leader of the Illidari. Although those lazy fucks apparently wont even lift a finger to help me keep an old god imprisoned... Pft.
If you spent a thousand years chasing this fucker after turning yourself into a fel being just to be able to fight him in the first place, youโd spend at least one expansion on vacation fucking with the guy. Heโs earned his time off.
What makes me sad though is we havenโt seen single god damn demon this expac. I forgot what itโs like being able to proc demon souls for an extra 20% dps randomly, I really miss it.
GoSaMa ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 12:44:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My impression is that the Scourge is much more top heavy, the Lich King basically runs it through mind control. The Legion has no reason to follow Illidan, certainly not if he tries to stop them from killing things.
That makes sense, since Scourge is just a horde of mindless magically controlled corpses, while Demons are the most cunning thing in most universes.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
More importantly we killed Argus. Putting Sargeras is Titan Time out is great and all, but killing Argus means that the demons can still revive in the nether, but it will take a while and only specific types may be able to.
Effectively meaning the whole endless army thing isnโt so endless, so even if they had a leader they canโt go crusading anymore due to the sheer casualties it would inflict.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:51:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Final boss of Legion was the world soul / Prototitan of Argus. Argus was being used by the demons to speed up the whole regeneration in the nether to blistering speeds in order to get the whole endless Legion. With him dead, the Legion isnโt endless anymore and their tactics they have used to this point is moot considering it now takes some time for them to regen.
Argus was the planet the Draenei/Eredar came from. Some(?) planets are also Titan eggs, and the Burning Legion had corrupted the newborn Titan Argus. He was the final boss of the Legion expansion.
Ryltarr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:26 on July 13, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Demons are likely reverting to their pre-Sargeras state of infighting and random trouble making... Sargeras just marshalled them together because he wanted armies to fight the void lords.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason Sargeras got the demons to follow him was because he was so powerful and he threatened them with death
They are giving themselves options to build upon past events in the future expansions!
Elaus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This was the exact point when the plot in WoW jumped the shark
GoSaMa ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:38:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Illidan has the power to take over the legion. Demons are kinda unruly so if you aren't pointing them at something to destroy they'll pick something on their own. You, if you're in their way.
I mean its not like sargeras wanted illidan as his personal new body. Locking those two together on the seats of the pantheon might have not been such a good idea.
Yeah, legion storywise is that guldan wanted to use illidan body as a vessel for sargeras. This is why Guldan has cordana felsong (legion turned warden) steal illidan's corpse.
Illidan souls is in the nether and the illidari and the DH pc contact him and then they try to get his soul back into his body.
Guldan had a deal with helya to keep his soul in helheim(she yanked illidan soul's from the twisting nether). Eventually the illidari gets his soul, puts it into the lights'heart (naaru artifact, part of xera). They give that to Khadgar who uses it as Guldan attempt to summon sargeras into illidan body. Which is why illidan is freed (but not possesed by sargeras) and then turns guldan into fel dust.
Malifos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:56 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
its more then just a power vaccum, they lost all there most important infrastructure and everyone at the top of the chain of command, theres no way for anyone to simply step in and do what they used to anymore it would need to be remade from scratch
Zeliek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The demons mostly do stuff out of fear, except perhaps most the eredar, they choose to follow Sargeras because of his offer. The rest of them were stuck to Mardum until Sargeras freed them and formed the legion, and they agreed to that because Sargeras threatened to make their existences as awful as possible - which was probably quite awful. Varimathras, for example, didnโt have the greatest time.
The scarlet crusade was defeated in wrath when we defeated malganis
They are still around. There was even some datamining that we might have to save a dark ranger from them. Death knights also fought them during Legion when people thought them to be gone for good. They get murdered all the time, but won't go down permanently. most villains and factions are put in the freezer until Blizzard sees them fit to make a return.
in legion dalaran there are scarlets walking around as "pilgrims" or something like that
Malifos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the Scarlet Crusaders in the updated Cata version of the Undead Starting Areas. (Correct me if wrong)
Elune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:11 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Priests headed to Northrend to rescue some and recruit one as a follower too. Blizz has basically written it so we're really bad at finishing off old villain factions.
Shovi ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:46:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"sargeras being jailed by Illida"
Lets be serious, Illidan aint doing shit to Sargeras, the other titans jailed and keep him in there, Illidan is just there for eye candy and nothing more.
Actually I think they were technically defeated in MoP after we killed resurrected Whitemane. She could just res herself which is why we had to stab her with the blades that Lillian Voss had us get. That killed her permanently until she is resurrected as a DK.
Broekan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Broekan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:08 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, Mal'Ganis in Nothrend, on their island in Icecrown. Balnazzar was in Stratholme
Jebobek ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 12:10:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If the legion was actually competent we'd all be speaking demon and it would be world of slaverycraft. You log on and do 30 dailies for 8 hours or be level-downed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
thats what makes wow a fantasy i suppose, it doesnt require you to do anything over and over regardless if you like it or not to keep up with other people
psterie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
World of Wokecraft - Titans remove ability for players to choose gender when creating a character, all white/light skinned characters have their prices doubled and xp/rep gains halved to promote equality. Titans are then revealed as pawns of Disney who bought the Titans out.
Think you might want to boost your reading comprehension a bit there
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:11:32 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My reading comprehension is just fine. I read two short sentences you wrote and didn't even have to check your posting history to know you're an avid the_donald poster.
Why not go back to that quarantined cesspit of yours?
Not really. You see, i never said no u. What i said was that you're the joke. Which is probably why you thought they were all the same joke, when they were very different jokes, but about the same kind of person.
But i wouldn't expect someone with your critical analysis skills to spot the difference, so don't sweat it.
Iโm actually gonna bet that Nโzoth convinces us that the true evil ones are the titans...
Sure, Old Gods are bad, but the titans remove the chances of free will and choice! The curse of flesh was a fluke in the titans plan which gave us those gifts. We need the old gods to ensure the titans donโt return and make us all mindless automatons!
undont ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:48:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you really think about it the Titans really just want to save us from ourselves.
merc08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:28:01 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He is an old god, we haven't seen any void lords, Just lackeys.
Sabard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:41 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, just like I'm pretty sure we've never seen a light "lord", the highest ranking light-being we've seen are naruu which are the equivalent of the old gods.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:03 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK it's currently impossible for a Void Lord to enter the realm of reality, but they can create Old Gods and throw them all over the universe somehow. I don't doubt that they'll manage to manifest themselves in the universe at some point in the story though.
Zeabos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah at a certain point we have to stop rehashing Legion, Old Gods, Undead and try something new as the big bad.
Malifos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
SHULK INTENSIFIES
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so ready to finally fight another Old God. Those story lines hold a special place for me.
Malifos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
tbh I actually believe the Titans aren't as nice as they seem. Sure they're all whimsical and magical and friendly to our faces, but how quickly we forget that they wanted to nuke the planet in Ulduar.
Titans don't give a darn about Mortal life, we're either sucking their toes or we're a hindrance and an obstruction.
Then you're getting into a conundrum of "The perfect world is not a desirable one".
Like in Gurren Lagann, the Anti-Spiral want to create an ideal world, because if the Spiral gets out of control (such as a spiral species breeding normally) the universe is bound to blow up. And I bet that is what happens 200 years into the future after the series ends.
In DnD, the plane of Mechanus is a world of complete balance, but its also a caste society, where machine beings do the same thing their whole lives, where a machine of a certain order literally cannot understand the language of non-adjascent orders. Its a perfect, clockwork world, but its not one any of us would like, is it?
I know that nโzoth, the big old god baddie, has just turned into a corgi for only 30 secs but if anything happens to him i will kill everyone here and then myself.
Rafoel ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:51:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is meant to be a joke, but it actually underlines how differently you can judge the wars in warcraft depending on your point of view.
Sargeras is a Titan, a being of cosmic scale. He was alive when Azeroth was still ravaged by elements, and he will still be alive when our civilizations turn to dust. Meanwhile, Void Lords are a threat of similar cosmic scale. If we were trying to save Earth from incoming comet, would we care about fate of ants? For Sargeras, we are ants. Irritating ants that want to doom whole Universe in order to slightly extend our completely insignificant lifespans.
From our perspective, we just want to live. Why would we care about some "abstract" threat that won't even influence us in any way for the next 100000 years?
Similarly, we fight against the Scourge. But if the Lich King REALLY believed there is no hope of defending against the Burning Legion unless we unite as undead? Truly, we would lose if not the help of the Pantheon.
And of course, from the point of view of Scarlet Crusade its clear who is the villain. Scourge are monsters that destroyed whole human kingdom, they need to be eradicated so common people can live peacefully.
And of course, from the point of view of Scarlet Crusade its clear who is the villain. Scourge are monsters that destroyed whole human kingdom, they need to be eradicated so common people can live peacefully.
The Scarlet crusade and a bigger threat to those common people than the scourge at this point. They're just a bunch of murderous lunatics who use "we kill some zombies too" as their justification.
sesor33 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:40:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kel'Thuzad is best boi in Warcraft history, don't @ me.
Elune ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:45 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Still possibly out there too, since his phylactery still exists, only thing that'd realistically stop him from returning is how to use him while not reusing nax for a third time.
Hyunion ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 12:14:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cue Blizzard's "tassadar isn't actually dead, kerrigan and zerg have been the good guys all along" rolls eyes
NotHomo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:25:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
that's not the main storyline anyways. starcraft is all about an unwilling victim of hybridization becoming the most powerful force in the whole galaxy, but she's still weak because raynor has the bone she really needs
And why would life and the light be inherently better than eternal darkness and void?
Whoever made that comic is a bigot!
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 11:31:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Light isnt inherently better than darkness though ? Too much light turned lightbound into turbo space nazis, and the naaru tried to mind control the illidan when he refused his foretold "destiny". And before that you have scarlet crusade who were capable of wielding the light when their leader was balnazzar. Light doesn't depict good in wow, it depicts order, while darkness depicts chaos.
I still maintain that Xe'ra is bad, not the Light itself. She was responsible for trying to lightforge Illidan, the radicalization of the Lightforged, and another version of her was responsible for the hyper-radicalization of the Lightbound on Draenor. She's the single constant among the three biggest recent scenarios that showed the Light can be bad, and she was the one who orchestrated all of them. Not to mention that she seems to be an outlier among Naaru, considering pretty much every other named Naaru that hadn't voided-out has been chill with us and pretty much everyone else that's not a villain. That doesn't really incline me to believe the Light is bad, especially when you consider that we've seen it as a staunch force for good that can be abused by evil groups for over a decade.
Especially given that all 3 instance that you mention were objectively good things, the whole "the Light is just as bad, both sides blah blah blah" rhetoric really gets old.
Broekan ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 11:34:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. All the light cares about is your devotion to it. Retribution paladins call upon the light to inflict suffering in their enemies. The light does not care who you are or who you fight. It doesn't even care about your motives. All it cares about is your devotion to the light.
The Light doesn't care about anything though, and certainly not your devotion to it. It's a magical power type not a diety. A force that is generated by feelings of hope, courage, compassion, determination, devotion (to anything), and conviction.
The game's been pretty explicit about that as of late seeing as half the things in the game that use light don't worship the human Light.
Light is just depicted as the opposite of void that live upon the same coin. They do not mean order vs chaos.
Order is known as Arcane which the titans live under as they are opposed by chaos which is known through the fel or burning legion.
Then you have the third section which is life vs decay. Basically wild gods vs scourge.
Even though each duo has their mortal enemy of their opposite, they still know of the other affinities and have certain relationships between them. Thats why when alleria windrunner was near sylvanus, the void within her was practically yelling for alleria to kill her sister right there as the void is afraid of undeath. There have been speculations that undead have no connection with the living construct thus making them immune to old god influence but its still a hypothesis.
So if it's true that light and shadow don't represent good and evil, it's false to say they represent order and chaos (witch is more an arcane/fel thing)
Wait, the Scourge had a reason for what it did beyond wanting to rule Azeroth? I knew they were originally created by the Burning Legion but I donโt remember it being said that they were doing their evil in order to stop the Burning Legion
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:22:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
But was that the whole plan or were they just enemies Arthas was preparing for? Was conquering Azeroth the goal or was it just a step to the goal of beating the Legion? I donโt remember seeing anything saying fighting the Legion was the goal, just something they were preparing for
Haatsku ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:17:33 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Unify the whole planet in undeath to stop fighting with each other and focus solely on stopping the burning legion.
Nope, they didn't have an ultimate goal beyond slipping the rug from under the legion so they could have the world for themselves. They did have an important-ish role in the legion's defeat though, which was Arthas slightly nudging Illidan in Tichondrius' direction so they could get rid of the legion top dog at the time.
You could however make the argument that since the whole thing was orchestrated by Ner'zhul, maybe he really was in it for revenge and solely for defeating the Legion and by extension KJ, for his own personal reasons and definitely not to save the world or whatever. But for Arthas, KT, Anub etc. i'm sure they wanted the world for themselves, especially after Arthas becomes the LK.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah people are misrepresenting the Scourge a little bit here.
Yes, the scourge was the enemy of the Legion. But this isn't a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of situation. The Scourge was an enemy of EVERYBODY. They weren't interested in fighting the Legion to save Azeroth, like the Illidari were. They wanted to fight the Legion for revenge, as they used to be enslaved to them.
The Scourge are the true chaotic evil on Azeroth (not counting the void lords). They don't serve a higher purpose. They aren't misguided fallen heroes, they're just pure evil who want to see the world burn and rise again as undead.
Ultimately, it's gonna end up being "Azeroth was trying to destroy the void the whole time we were just trying to keep the titan in stasis to keep our own world safe."
Thereโs a reason why the Cosmic Forces chart for WoW is a circle.
Light says scourge are the baddies
Scourge says the Legion are the baddies
Legion says the void are the baddies
The void will likely say the light are the baddies and weโll have an expac called WoW Voidbringers
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:40:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we are the bad guys.
psterie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Millions of heroes... all just dancing to these fuckers tunes. Go here, do this, get shineys. We need to converge, get all of the void, light, titans, scourge and all of the "forces" and corral the into one big fucking room and just say "we're locking the door. Sort your shit, all of it, or we'll sort it for you. We're tired of being the middlepeople. Resolve your shit." Throw in a broken pool stick and tell them to make it quick. If they don't, we the players start the million member boot party and just wholesale stomp ass on all of them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
YEAH WE TRY TO TAKE OVER PLANETS AND CREATE A VOID TITAN ABLE TO DESTROY THE UNIVERSE BUT WE ONLY DO THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING SOMETHING IN OUR OPINION THE TITANS ARE EVIL SOMETHING SOMETHING BLAH BLAH BLAH I DONT KNOW WHY THEY DO THIS IN THE LORE BLAH BLAH BLAH
Skelosk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's always an eviler fish
Warmor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Could have gone at least one more, we all know the Light is the REAL enemy!
Gimbu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I love how somewhere during the writing of Legion Blizzard's writing team seems to have shifted, deciding that the massive army of fucking Demons can't just be evil for the sake of evil and needs to justify its burning crusade for reasons other than simple enslavement and destruction.
Don't get me wrong, I know the Old Gods and Sargareas have always been at odds. But the whole "we, the soul stealing, torturing demons do what we do to stop the really evil guys" angle seems laughably unnecessary.
Vinven ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:58:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the only reason why he wants to destroy the world is to prevent it from being born corrupted by the void.
Well the demons are evil, they spawned from the chaos of the twisting nether and exist to spread chaos. Sargeras just lead them with the promise of more power
I'm going to take the stance that it's 100% okay for demons to be Saturday morning cartoon villains. They're literally evil creatures from a hellish world that feed on souls and derive pleasure from the pain of others.
The problem I have is that unlike the undead, demons are all different races and have independence. With races like that I need to think about how they live their lives everyday.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:40:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Now I'm waiting for the void lords and old gods to say they're just trying to defend against an even bigger threat, and then the bigger threat just shows up and is like "sup, bitches".
Jcorb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This legit made me laugh.
It's definitely interesting (and a bit frustrating) that they so constantly have to point to a "But we were just being evil to stop an even greater evil".
The "Void Lords" were such an ass-pull, I still can't take any of it seriously anymore. Sargeras was built up to be THE big-bad, for so long. And then we briefly see the entire Pantheon of Titans in a freaking cutscene, Sargeras gets dusted like a little bitch without even taking a single character out, and Sargeras was "only evil because of those darn Void Lords"?
I mean shit, fuck-face from Nighthold even scored a kill with Tirion Fordring. Sargeras did fuck-all, other than give us a lore excuse to unequip our Artifact weapons.
Idk if anyone has posted this already, and its a small detail, but I would have loved to see hes eyes be slowly narrowing as he progresses down the line of baddies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:28 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
OP really understands the Metzenverse. It's sad when this principal theme is also within StarCraft II. Soon we'll find out that Diablo and the Lords of Hell were really "not the bad guys."
Woahful ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Illidan is missing from this comic, this was his entire thing! Still love it nonetheless.
Falkens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's always a bigger fish
Gnivill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah just wait until the Void are only trying to offer freedom from the tyranny of the Light Gods.
newmdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the good ole days of farming around stratholme and that area for silk. At least i think it was silk.... Its been about a decade since I've played
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:11 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Op now I can say I understand what the hell has been going on this entire time.
I realized how evil were the Horde and the Alliance when they made player pandaren choose side and kill their former brethren just because they had different uniforms.
Real enemy is likely a part of the Pantheon (Aeonar).
We see how the light can be an enemy during the Mag'har Orc Allied Race introduction storyline. The Light can be 'zealotous' and the 'blood of Azeroth' is quite likely infusion from the blade, which contained Argus the Unmaker (death), too. Sargeras took the essence of Argus in the blade, pushed it into Azeroth (hence they Eye) and what's coming out is possibly Argus and/or Azeroth.
With cut scenes from released video, we know all of this part of a bigger gambit by Azshara and N'Zoth.
Pyromancer has been quite spot on, both with in-game lore and the chronicles books.
The Scarlet Crusade will forever be badass tho, I always transmog my dudes to be Scarlet Crusaders.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading this in the Warcraft Chronicle! Explaining why the Burning Legion was formed really added characterization for Sargeras. I thought it was great. Love this comic
Ttotem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they're gonna make up some other villain(s) once we eventually deal with the void lords.
And then it turns out that the Void Lords are just puppets of the Activiziers.
Ryltarr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:49 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying we progressively defeated all the nested layers of conflicts between Azeroth and the void lords, thus becoming the ones who put Azeroth in increasingly more danger and now we've gotta deal with that danger ourselves?
TowzyTV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is great haha! Those rascals, good job OP!
bbiaso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I knew wow was absolute shit when they retconned the lich kings motivation. Such a pathetic atempt at turning everyone into a anti hero. Man blizzard turned into a cheap hooker these years.
The retcon was before Bolvar. The lich kings motivation changed from hateful being that suffered unimaginable torture to I must build my army to protect Azeroth...
Great, except you ended the comic 1 panel too early. The void lords should say they are only trying to stop Sylvanas, to which Sylvanas should say, "What? Trying to wipe out all life in the universe makes me evil now?"
The real bad guys are the players - a.k.a. the murder hobos who basically murder everything from undead to titans to old gods and everything in between for a few shiny pieces of loot.
The original plan behind the scourge was to weak the World for the arivaal of the burning legion ๐ค
Later with Arthas they fought against the legion because they feelt used or other emotional Prince honour shit. ๐
MrCamie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:42:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The scourge started to free themselves for the burning legion right after the defeat at Mount Hyjal. That's why Kil'Jaeden asked Illidan to destroy the Lich King.
โฆ soโฆ so you wanna elaborate on the nope, give some proof or something towards your case? Or do you wanna just dig in your heels over being incorrect?
Richo93 ยท 2304 points ยท Posted at 11:01:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is this OC? This is great haha. Damn those rascals.
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 1491 points ยท Posted at 11:05:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I just made it
drododruffin ยท 559 points ยท Posted at 11:08:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Should consider making more, the Scarlet Crusader turned out great
LGP747 ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 12:32:17 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kelโthuzadโs face is also priceless for the comedic moment
GetEquipped ยท 376 points ยท Posted at 12:43:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Excuse me, but you shall address him with his full title of
THE ARCHLICH OF NAXXRAMAS, ESTEEMED LICH LORD OF THE PLAGUELANDS, COMMANDER OF THE DREAD NECROPOLIS, MASTER AND FOUNDER OF THE CULT OF THE DAMNED, formerly of the council of six, CREATOR OF THE ABOMINATION, CORRUPTER OF THE SUNWELL, SUMMONER OF ARCHIMONDE THE DEFILER, BETRAYER OF HUMANITY, HEARTHSTONE ENTHUSIAST, AND MAJORDOMO TO THE LICH KING HIMSELF, KEL'THUZAD."
jishdefish ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 12:54:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot caretaker of the fluffiest Mr. Bigglesworth.
GetEquipped ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 13:00:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's not possible, because I killed him.
And now I am the owner of the hairless cat
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:42:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No!!! A curse upon you, interlopers! The armies of the Lich King will hunt you down. You will not escape your fate...
GetEquipped ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Kael'thelas's voice lines when defeated were probably the best I ever heard in the game.
The delivery was just so visceral.
Also, Kael's voice actor also voices my favorite character in LoL, Jhin
And Jhin is just amazing. I've never felt a such a strong connection to a character you play, it feels like you're slowly descending into his madness as he whispers into your ear about beauty and art.
Like, I could link a 29 minute of all his voice lines, or a 10 minute one with a song underlayer, but here's a 1 minute sample of Jhin's lines dubbed over Bob Ross: https://youtu.be/SypN-EZQNxo
twothumbs ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:49:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hail
Skandranonsg ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 13:05:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KEL'THU-FREAKING-ZAD!
LGP747 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 12:51:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
why did you not mention mr. bigglesworth?
Lordborgman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:14:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Charles zi Britannia the 98th emperor of the Holy Britannian Empire
RlySkiz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:36:28 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Vomax343 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:33:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs not Settra
s3bbi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/Uv35ukl8c-w?t=315
Kevin is being missed D:
secret3332 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
r/heroesofthestorm leaking in
sushithighs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when you say his name, it has to be KELโTHUZAD
NaiveMastermind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He's got nothing on Settra the Imperishable. FYI Arthas corrupted the sunwell.
daddydss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:44 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
u/uwutranslator
Sorry I had to see what it would be like.
uwutranslator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:17 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Excuse me, but yuw shaww addwess him wif his fuww titwe of
THE AwCHwICH OF NAXXwAMAS, ESTEEMED wICH wOwD OF THE PwAGUEwANDS, COMMANDEw OF THE DwEAD NECwOPOwIS, MASTEw AND FOUNDEw OF THE CUwT OF THE DAMNED, fowmewwy of de counciw of six, CwEATOw OF THE ABOMINATION, COwwUPTEw OF THE SUNWEww, SUMMONEw OF AwCHIMONDE THE DEFIwEw, BETwAYEw OF HUMANITY, HEAwTHSTONE ENTHUSIAST, AND MAJOwDOMO TO THE wICH KING HIMSEwF, KEw'THUZAD." uwu
tag me to uwuize comments uwu
ImFeklhr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:25 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx
WareThunder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Ursula from The Little Mermaid
agentpanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KT has a special place in my heart from Naxx40 (never got far enough to see him back then- my guild couldn't down Sapph before TBC) so I love this rendition of him.
Forever_Awkward ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:23:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, don't. Once you become reddit famous, your creativity gets warped into something profane.
It's not worth it, /u/ChromedDragon.
Rizatriptan ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 12:13:33 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wait..I know you..
finish your game
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 12:25:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no they followed me
MisanthropeX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:40:13 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Are you from the Warlizard gaming forums?
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:52 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
no I'm chromeddragon
from... um... a place
jstiegle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Now I want to know what game!
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:06:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
this is the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpoNm1ZKl4Y
and it's almost done
AerThreepwood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:13:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It kind of feels like something Sierra would make.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:31:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looks pretty much exactly like Undertale. Skeletons and all.
AerThreepwood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:35:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've never played that game.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:39:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good and wildly successful independent game. I could see why other independent developers would want to copy it.
AerThreepwood ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm sure. I've heard good things about it, I just have so little time to play the games I'm really interested in, so it may be a while before I get to it. Plus I know the "twist" or whatever, with how you play the game.
Hate_is_Heavy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:11 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The overworld looks more zelda does undertale but meh. Still looks interestingly enough
Syvandrius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that looks fun!
Starslip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
From the mountains
FuzzyBuzzyCuzzy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:44:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nicely done mate, good work.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:33:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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altiuscitiusfortius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt it mostly mail gear? Can you xmog mail into place now?
viverx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you can buy the plate scarlet set at the darkmoon faire if you have a scarlet tabard on a plate user
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ah cool. My alt paladin had the full set and just wore low level mail anyways to look cool. Havent used him since mists though.
herdases ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:18:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The last panel is what sold me
MZA87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:37 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, enjoy the punchline to the entire joke
Living-Bones ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:25:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
First the expanded Classic zones then this, you're a chief!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Amazingly well done. The only thing I would change is have the human's pauldrons grow obnoxiously bigger every panel.
Hyunion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:33:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder where and when Sylvanas will fit into this
boredguy12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:28 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Cuz i'm the bad guy."
StendhalSyndrome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yupp the friends leave you and the guild and game eventually.
The bosses are there week in and week out.
RIPSlurmsMckenzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Great job!
Nookiezilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You made this?
awesinine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
made me lol, ty!
shoony43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
whew...to think back to when the Scarlet Crusade was our biggest problem
anakinwindwalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
its good man , props to u :)
Poatus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I like the nathan reference
Ramps_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit man, you forgot the oppresion of the light
slashoom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I made this!
Bobrexal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The real way to tell if this is OC is to wait and see if it gets reposted tomorrow by a different user and gets twice as many upvotes
ClassicStatement ยท 400 points ยท Posted at 12:11:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I maintain the theory that all major 'villians' of WOW are actually just utilitarians. I predict that the void lords believe that all life is suffering, and that the universe would be a better place without life.
MercyPistols ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 13:29:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Did you wrote the ending of Final Fantasy IX
Ristilukki ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:14:04 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And VII and X and...
MercyPistols ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:16:17 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Was confused about mention of X, until i remembered Seymour and Mika
Techhead7890 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:40 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the ME3 Reapers too
SondeySondey ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 13:33:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there some heavy hints that N'Zoth is expecting some sort of currently unknown and greater threat? Most likely the thing that Sylvanas bargained with?
Rhombico ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 14:02:08 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, my theory is that it's something in the shadowlands, probably Bwonsamdi's boss
SondeySondey ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 14:06:41 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My guess would be something Light-based that wants to turn everything into some sort of lightforged undead so that the Void doesn't have anything to corrupt anymore.
Rhombico ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:17:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
also definitely a possibility. I do not expect the holy undead calia menethil to be a good guy. I think it would be nice to explore a light-based enemy again too, the Horde and dark magic have been in the spotlight for a while now. Maybe we can see the Alliance doing some questionable things in support of the light, only to realize their faith was misplaced later
IcyGravel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:55:56 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
One little fact that I think is interesting is that Anduin is a disc priest, meaning he uses both light and shadow. In his hearthstone character art, this is seen very clearly. That could be a neat little thing to expand upon when we get to the light vs void expack.
G66GNeco ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:59:49 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Anduin? Is that that one supporting character for Jaina that we (as in the Horde) haven't really heard much about since 8.0?
Yeah, he seemed nice. Could take on a bigger role some time I guess.
Techhead7890 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:33 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Jaina? She's that dreadlord, right ? ;)
krippler_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:40 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Anduin for Alliance warchief 2020!
JuanLob0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds exactly like something blizzards creative team would think is morally gray AF
FiannMia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:59:39 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
so basically FF14's new expansion?
SondeySondey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:07:01 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That or pretty much any fantasy work featuring a battle between "Order" and "Chaos". There's always a point when Order win enough battle that they become the problem as their ultimate goal is to make everything static.
YouNeverReallyKnow2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:45 on July 16, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
OK, that could be a wonderful story line, a thing that trying to prevent the creation of corrupted while essentially creating its own form of corrupted.
Platycel ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:23:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If the Lightforged Undead meme would go away already it would be great
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That is literally what Calia Menethil is though?
Platycel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:50 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it's pretty much "someone resurected and with golden eyes".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:44 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, visually sure. We haven't seen Calia Menethil in game yet, so we can only assume that's the case.
From a lore perspective, that's not true at all. All the speculation points to lightbound undead being essentially lifeless puppets being manipulated and completely animated only by some manifestation of the light. It is not at all clear how much of the original is left
Platycel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:38 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my point, there is like 5 pages total in book talking about the ritual and it was mostly just a "by power of friendship we will save her", not some deep lore moment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:18 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"By power of friendship we will save her"
That's a bizarre takeaway from what was clearly supposed to be a very important moment; the light doing something we up until this point didn't know the light could do in the first place. This is especially the case given that this whole expansion has been focussed on death, and reanimation.
This is even more true now that we've seen N'Zoth resurrect Azshara. Is this something all the six forces of the cosmos map can do? We know that Death, Void, Life (with the red dragonflight rezz'ing Bolvar in WotLK) and now Light are capable of it, so what about Fel and Arcane?
All of which is to say, it's a weird take and people have every right to be excited about what this could mean lore wise.
Platycel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:23 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Demon souls can be resurected in Twisting Nether, but that's all we know of.
Aegwynn spent years building up the power to bring Medivh back to life and she was successful
Gaulannia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:31 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Azshara never died though. Ever heard of unconsciousness?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:00 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's very strongly implied that she died and that she was rezzed. Admittedly, we don't know definitively either way. The rest of the point definitely still stands either way
Gaulannia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:08 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You think our Lord and Savior Tentacle Boi did it to make Il'gynoth's words come true?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:41 on July 13, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Even the sound design implied it, the way the weird smoke tentacle grips her, and there is that brief defibrillator sound when he squeezes. Idk, either way I think it's probs a red herring by Blizzard, and the third death is still going to be Azeroth.
ClassicStatement ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:55 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Neato. I don't know much about the shadowlands, would Bwonsamdi's boss really be a bigger threat than the void lords?
Rhombico ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:37 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it would be worse than the void lords, but maybe worse than just n'zoth. probably something that feeds on souls, maybe it wants to eat the world soul
Maxrokur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:32 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well you should check out the Tauren heritage quest, that is a confirmation of the shadowlands expansion.
MindBuckle1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on July 16, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
When was Bwonsamdi alluded to have a boss?
Rhombico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:43 on July 16, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
During the Horde-only Vol'jin storyline. Talanji decides to have Vol'jin's ashes interred in Atal'dazar (big honor for trolls), so you bring his urn there. But when you go to do it, Bwonsamdi appears and commands you to bring the urn to his Necropolis in Nazmir, because Vol'jin's spirit is not in his realm. When you do, Bwonsamdi discovers that his spirit isn't in the urn either. He says "da boss ain't gonna like dis". Afterwards is the quest chain about summoning his spirit and figuring out what happened the day he died and named Sylvanas warchief, and what happened to his spirit afterwards.
GayFroggard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:28 on February 16, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
You guys were so close in this thread. Shame.
Rhombico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:13 on February 16, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
lol, how'd you find us 2 years later? Sadly I gave up wow after getting kicked from my guild during the first tier of shadowlands. I hear the lore got awkward with Sylvanas's story, but I've been avoiding wow news since then
GayFroggard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:54 on February 16, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
If you play on alliance and need a guild in the future lmk.
I doubt they would kick you. It's been around since tbc and has decent progression stats historically. Invariably it has been the best raiding guild on the realm for alliance. The next patch drops later this month so I imaginr everyone will be coming back in full force
Rhombico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:22 on February 16, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
appreciate the offer :) I don't think I'm ready though, really hurt. I've been trying ff14 to scratch that mmo itch for now, and catching up on all the games I wanted to play but didn't have time for. Good luck in the new raid!
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:30:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's always a bigger evil.
I'm just waiting patiently before we return to the elements, and it turns out there is a 5th element, which is pure evil or something.
benthenister ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:35:46 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There is a fifth element in wow, and it is spirit.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I don't think it is really spirit. It's probably malevolence.
benthenister ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:39:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No i am telling you it is spirit. Azeroth (the titan) simply sucked it somewhere early.
IcyGravel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any reason why the orc shamans didnโt use spirit in Draenor?
Mortholemeul ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:37:17 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They did/do. There's a lot more of it on Draenor which is why (I'm pretty sure) everything is wild and overgrown. Also why orcs are all shamany.
benthenister ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:03:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And the presence of spirit also makes the other elements calmer if i remember it correctly
benthenister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have no clue honestly but i didn't just come up with this i believe this is in chronicles. Maybe certain kinds of elents are present at certain planets?
MisanthropeX ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:41:57 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Leeloo Multipass
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Techhead7890 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:46 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, you beat me to it under the hidden comments. Here's the comic: http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0208.html
Techhead7890 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:36:13 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the bigger fish!
itsmauitime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:17 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sylvanas proves hell exists so...
Mega satan's army including a mecha-actual demon-sargeras?
Maxrokur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:49 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just blizzard introducing the warhammer deities into warcraft, every pantheon thinks the other guys are utterly evil and the universe will be better off without them (Nurgle with Tzeentch, Necrons vs the creations of the gods, imperium vs Tyranids, etc)
Shovi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:56:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But they are alive too....
Is_Not_A_Real_Doctor ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:52:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is it too late to join the Void Lords? The sweet, sweet embrace of death is sounding pretty good right about now.
psterie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Void Lords turn out to be just trying to prevent student's souls being crushed by mountains of students loan debt.
Irradiatedspoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:11 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is that the Void Lords are the Goth Kids from Southpark?
ValissaSurana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:56 on October 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
so it's like Final Fantasy then
Planktillimdank ยท 769 points ยท Posted at 10:46:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why did I never make this connection before
Xero0911 ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 11:50:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Was this legit for the army of undead?
They were countering the legion? I mean I assume it was just Arthas being a dick.
Gorshun ยท 935 points ยท Posted at 11:53:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Originally the Scourge was created by the Legion to weaken Azeroth before the main invasion.
Except immediately after Ner'zhul was made into the Lich King he started plotting to work against the Legion because he hated them so much.
Xero0911 ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 11:56:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Never knew this. So they also created the Lich King who then basically made his army to the reverse (kinda) and prepare for the legions main invasion?
How did the lich king have his own will to do so?
ConnorMc1eod ยท 632 points ยท Posted at 12:04:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ner'zhul is his own person, he's sentient. He gets locked in the Frozen Throne to raise the Scourge but limit his power by the Legion. He gets Arthas to take up Frostmourne and march to Icecrown to free him. The Legion realizes the plot and sends Illidan to fuck Arthas up and they have a big fight at the Frozen Throne.
Arthas, being the Billy Badass he is, fucks Illidan up then goes and shatters the ice around the throne containing the helmet Ner'zhul is bound to. Slaps the helmet on, sits upon the throne and becomes the Lich King.
AolongHong ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 12:21:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Woah woah woah now, Arthas didn't fuck Illidan up, the man barely escaped his asskicking with the world's luckiest swipe with his sword, because Ner'zhul basically poured all his power into the strike
luktaros ยท 554 points ยท Posted at 12:23:49 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Call it what u like, he lose
Lukthar123 ยท 574 points ยท Posted at 12:35:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Virgin Illidan vs Chad Arthas
Managarn ยท 416 points ยท Posted at 15:02:41 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Illidan, cucked for a thousand years by his brother.
Arthas, banged the hottest sorceress in the land.
Illidan, doesnt rule anything.
Arthas, prince of Lordaeron. Becomes king of lordaeron, lich king and eventually rules over the whole continent northrend.
Illidan, blind.
Arthas, fully functional eyes.
Elleden ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 15:24:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Cenarius? Malfurion and Illidan aren't Cenarius' sons, he was just their mentor in druidism.
We know nothing about the Stormrage brothers' parents.
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Yawgrimas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:15 on July 16, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you mean Brad and Janet...queue Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Managarn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
aye your right. i misremembered they arent actully cenarius sons. He was still basically their adoptive father.
Facefoxa ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:37:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
His hair, wack. His gear, wack.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:21:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The way he doesnโt even like to explain to his friends and allies that heโs trying to protect everyone from the legion? WACK
ThePretzul ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the part where Arthas cucked Kael'Thas himself when he managed to get a piece of Jaina.
Proxnite ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:35:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Right but illidan dickslapped a titan (who are higher on the hierarchy than gods) while arthas got killed by a bunch of level 80s, and now has his former citadel farmed weekly by 120s for his beloved horse that is pimped out harder than a half priced whore. Illidan also casually fucked a naโaru up without even needing to use his glaives.
Arthas has it good for a while, but illidan got to fulfill his life goal and is remembered as a hero. Plus his bootie is thick in those 1000 year old carpi pants while arthas was scrawny as hell.
OrezRekirts ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:07:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan got his dickslapped by a bunch of level 70 people in mismatched gear. Also, Illidan only is strong because he got fed jesus juice
Proxnite ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:12:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He didnโt die though, and he got his redemption arc. Arthas is extra dead, and the only person who can bring him back is one who he tortured into a charred husk so negative chance thatโll happen for arthas.
Hate_is_Heavy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:45:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean arthas' will could live on in the helmet is so form you dont know
Pamelm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This, whe killed Ner'zhul in the Helmet of Domination, meaning that Arthas more than likely moved in there and is influencing Bolvar meaning he could theoretically influence Bolvar to resurrect him but why do that when he has partial control of a being equivalent to a god on Azeroth
Hate_is_Heavy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope they deliver a good pay off with how they are setting up bolvar
Mortholemeul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We killed an echo of Nerzhul inside the fragments of Frostmourne, not the Helm, if you're talking about the DK quest. They both could still be clattering around in there.
Maxrokur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KT is still around, likely Blizzard would use him to rez Arthas after
WoDBFA since the expansion tanked. Just like our lovely purple edgelord IllidanDos_Ex_Machina ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:49:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And the saddest part is that those 120s will never see that horse drop.
Because it's invincible
Techhead7890 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:24 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So you hover on thin air, then? :P
Luvas ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:52:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly unfair statement.
Fighting the Legion was a pipe dream back in Arthas' time, and he was the most threatening thing around when he made his last stand. It took "a bunch"(read: at least 20 people against him alone) of level 80s and divine intervention to stop Arthas.
Sure one Beerus can smack him down without a sweat but it still took 20+ Vegetas when he was current content and they still technically didn't win.
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Horyfrock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:42:41 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan had a hyperbolic time chamber installed in the Black Temple
dunkmaster6856 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:59:17 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Uh we didnt kill arthas ourselves. He one shotted us. It took literal divine intervention to kill him
Proxnite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:06:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Us fighting him for an hour and then getting frozen was what gave him the will of strength to call on the light and break out of his own ice. He saw how hard we tried and it gave him the burst he needed to end it.
allthework
ImmutableInscrutable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Man that's so badass. I love grinding ilevels for my character so I can inspire the actual main characters even more.
dataistimesensative ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:38:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But Arthas gots dem boots with the fiir!!
Truckerontherun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:15 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But even at the very end, Arthas couldn't get over those Daddy issues
The_Castle_of_Aaurgh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:52 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan, Lord of Outland, doesn't rule anything. K.
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CrashB111 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:12:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan the 10,000 year old virgin.
gavwil2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But didn't Illidan have all them hoes in the Black Temple?
Yvng3lvis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yโall the wacky bunch arguing over wow
DorkNow ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:30:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
but, to be fair, Illidan lost only because Ner'Zhul helped him. Arthas would've lost if not for Ner'Zhul
SpitefulShrimp ยท 245 points ยท Posted at 12:35:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like Some Crazy Dude vs Ten Thousand Year Old Immortal Mage Juiced Up On Demon Souls already wasn't a fair fight.
strain_of_thought ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 13:56:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell which character is supposed to be which.
Ledgo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:19:07 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think Some Crazy Dude might be Betty White, but don't quote me.
SpitefulShrimp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, Betty White vs Ner'zhul was a closer battle than expected
omerdude9 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:09:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO
fezzam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:39:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Go by class. Ones a paladin class changed to death knight the others a mage class changed to demon hunter.
McBossly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:44:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but the Scourge and it's magic is created by the Legion, which is also older then 10.000 years.
miso_ramen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Scourge itself wasn't more than a decade old at the start of WoW I don't think, and probably less than that. It was created shortly after Ner'zul blew up Draenor I think. And Arthas himself was a human and as such not 10,000+ years old.
brownbluegrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lmao same
Nachoslayer ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 12:55:07 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan is on fel drugs and got blessed by Sargeras himself.
I like night elf lore as much as the next guy, but they are not gods of destruction. I think Knaak wrote them to be a tad too powerful and since then people give them a bit too much credit.
It is stated in the Illidan novel that he was weakened during the fight, I give you that.
ItsSnuffsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:52 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The only blessing saggy gave illidan was his magic eyes though. Not really any powers.
The powers came from the skull of gul dan.
Nachoslayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:57 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that giving him magic eyes and fel tattoos isn't giving him powers.
ehhish ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 12:34:17 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
In Illinois and would have lost if not for his powers from the demons? Everyone's getting support in here.
Edit: And Illidan would have lost *. Damn autocorrect, but it's funny at least.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 13:05:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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Karmo_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:53:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As a native Illinoisan and an irl member of the Scourge, it is a breathtaking sight.
loser_of_the_beer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:40:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about this whole thread is fucking hilarious.
blackie197666 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 13:22:56 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh growing up a youth in Illinois I fondly remember the tales of Illidan and Arthas' epic battle.
karspearhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illinois would still have thousands of years of experience with a blade and his tremendous natural talent for sorcery to Arthasโ <10 years with a blade and however you want to rate his abilities as a paladin. So Illinois would win with no external power sources.
Forever_Awkward ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:27:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, and how many demon dicks did Illidan suck for his power? Does that not help him?
StringerBel-Air ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I'm aware he sucked exactly 0 demon dicks.
Forever_Awkward ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:52:52 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda hard to sacrifice everything if you can't let go of your heteronormative views on sexuality, my dude.
Is_Not_A_Real_Doctor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:35:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In a row?
RemoveTheTop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Guess you haven't read my slash-fic
ItsSnuffsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:59 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He sucked gul dans skull.
TDenigMa ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:40:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan left himself open for attack and Arthas pressed on it. It's in the cinematic, unless there is some book lore that explains it that i'm not aware of
Edit: brain switched some words lol
DorkNow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:44:07 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
don't know about Arthas book, but it definitely is in Chronicles
SimplyQuid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:29:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Horseshoes and hand grenades my man
mono15591 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winnings winning.
PettyCrimeMan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:50:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Only wins fight because of ner zhul buff cheese
"Ez game ez life GG no re"
Ezekielyo ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 12:34:33 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't he left at the brink of death aka got completely fucked up?
AolongHong ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 12:38:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because frostmourne would normally have taken his soul entirely, but Illidan was a badass so he didnt lose his soul.
Shovi ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:40:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can it even take demon souls?
AolongHong ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:44:18 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I would imagine so? Although that would be a very good reason as to why he didn't lose his soul entirely, it just drained the shit out of him
mighty_bandit_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Stormrage isn't a demon
Shovi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:08:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Have you not done the demon hunter intro? Maybe he's not an outright demon, but through all the changes he suffered over the years his soul is like a demon's now, in that it goes to the twisting nether like a demon's.
You have a choice to make in the intro, sacrifice an npc or yourself, and if you choose yourself, after you die, Illidan will say that like him you have an immortal demon soul and it will go to the twisting nether waiting for a body to inhabit. (but that was a bit weird, since that spot, from what i know, is halfway into the twisting nether, and when demons die in places like that, or in the twisting nether outright, they die for good; guess it was an oversight/plot hole on blizzard's part)
Here is a video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQ71GNZRkU At 1:11 is where he says it.
mighty_bandit_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, wow. Well that's lame.
Thanks for the clarification. Haven't actually played through legion.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 12:54:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is that what happened in the book?
Screw your revisionist book. You know Arthas straight up killed Illidan in 1v1 and then Blizz regretted it
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:50:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I only accept the WC3 cutscene.
verybrutalunicorn ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 13:49:28 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Although all Illidan had to do was a corpse run.
AolongHong ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:43:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It was in the Arthas book, I believe
Jbird1992 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:07 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that he was cut in half and then after an update the cutscene changed to him just being badly cut in the stomach
mighty_bandit_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cut in half? You sure about that?
LifeupOmega ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:03:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Jbird was watching The Phantom Menace on the other screen, easy mistake.
Jbird1992 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can swear I remember his torso and his lower half being on opposite sides of the screen as Arthas walked away. Mind you, it's been like fifteen years or something since that game came out -- but I'm almost positive. Might be a Mandela Effect thing though
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remember Illidan using the skull of Gul'dan, too.
AolongHong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Theres a difference between using something to enhance your skill, and having someone else intervene in the fight entirely, though.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't both bring their entire army to the fight? I kinda think all gloves are off once you go to war.
AolongHong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. To fight arthas' army.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, it's an army on army full scale war, and you still think that it's unfair Ner'Zhul gave his champion and vessel Arthas a power-up to not die?
AolongHong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not really? Thats never been my point. My point has just been that Illidan didn't get fucked up, he lost in a moment of arrogance when nerzhul autopiloted frostmourne into his side while he gloated.
wonder590 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:14:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
True, but that's all Illidan needed to lose. It's a recurrent theme with the Legion, they've conquered and destroyed so many planets they literally dont understand how to respond when they start actually losing for once. They've become so careless in their arrogance for so long that they have become decrepit from within, unable to defeat the militarily inferior army on paper, but far more motivated to actually win the conflict. If Illidan didn't fuck around he would have kicked Arthas' ass.
Alelnh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Arthas was all around poisoned by Sylvanas arrow, he was in pretty bad shape and still beat Illidan at his prime.
Nutcrackit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky for us reforged will give us a much clearer cutscene of that fight.
They are not redoing the cinematics (even though they should) but they did say they would redo all of the cutscenes.
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reddsyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan is a whiny little sissy
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Hem0g0blin ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
After the Third War, Illidan was visited by Kil'jaedin who offered immense power in exchange for the Lich King's defeat. Illidan recognized the Lich King as a threat that needed to be dealt with anyway, and he was never one to say no to more power. His first attempt was to remotely destroy Ice Crown magically using the Eye of Sargeras, but this was stopped by Night Elves who simply saw a very demonic Illidan hanging out with Naga and using demonic artifacts to cause massive earthquakes. When that situation is cleared up, Illidan flees to Outland to try and escape Kil'jaedin's wrath over his failure.
Outland at the time was under the rule of the demon Magtheridon, and Illidan built up an army to oust him from the Black Temple; eventually imprisoning him in Hellfire Citadel where he would be used to create Fel Orcs to bolster the Illidari ranks.
Kil'jaedin found Illidan ruling over Outland, and because demons are conniving and often willing to betray each other for power, he did not recognize Illidan's attack on the Legion at Black Temple for what it was. Kil'jaedin thought that Illidan was simply gathering his forces to make another attempt on the Lich King and reminded Illidan that he will destroy him and retake Outland if he fails. Illidan feigned allegiance yet again shortly before failing again.
He then fled back to Outland where he started preparing for the Legion to inevitably come for him, only to be defeated in Burning Crusade by the Alliance and Horde expeditions.
Hust91 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Was Kil'Jaeden really fooled though?
I got the impression that he knew precisely what Illidan was doing and came in person to set him straight back on the job.
Hem0g0blin ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:29:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good point. It's hard to tell for sure from this cutscene, but Kil'jaeden has a very "is that so?" tone to his voice could be interpreted as him either believing or humoring Illidan in the moment.
Hust91 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:02:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly thought it was just him going "Of course you were. And now, unless you want to pay up your debt right here and now using your soul, you are going to go right ahead and finish the job, of course."
intiia1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is that Kil'Jaeden being there in person or just his avatar/projection?
Hem0g0blin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can't seem to find any definitive statements either way, but I've always assumed that was just an avatar he projected in order to communicate to Illidan. He is a master of illusions and deception after all, and I doubt he made many appearances in person. Even if that was literally him appearing in seconds and vanishing just as quickly on Outland, I suspect it had to have been a projection when he first contacted Illidan off-screen based on the fact that he needed the power of the Sunwell to reach Azeroth in person at the end of BC.
GreySage2010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Illidan was never one to say no to more power... except that one time it was offered with no strings attached to allow him to do exactly what he "always" wanted, to which he responded by blowing up a naaru.
Kaiserigen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How come the Void guys are greater than the BL?
Roboticide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:38 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Void Lords are the opposite of the Light, and are the source of Old God power.
Old Gods infest planets/growing Titans and seek to corrupt them.
Sargeras was a Titan tasked with eliminating the Old Gods and essentially waging war on the Void, but concluded this more or less futile, and decided just destroying all the planets/baby Titans was the best way to prevent the Void Lords from gaining power. He then created the Burning Legion by freeing some demons he imprisoned earlier, to help him in his quest.
I might be off in a minor detail or two, been a while since I brushed up on lore, but yeah, essentially the Void is the ultimate evil as far as we know, and the Burning Legion's whole point is to combat their spread.
Kaiserigen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:39 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your writing but meh, destroying WC3 campaign once again
textposts_only ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:07:11 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How did they retcon illidan doing the legions bidding?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:16:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC no retcon was necessary, Illidan always hated the Legion but essentially acted as a double agent. It was the Legion who burned out his eyes and made him into the demon hunter he became. He was just a regular night elf before that. He worked for them until his eventual betrayal of them, but he always planned to do that.
Is_Not_A_Real_Doctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
At what point did he betray them? And why were there still demons serving him?
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:00:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
During the war of the ancients when the well of eternity was destroyed, which was what split Kalimdor and EK apart. Sargeras believed Illidan would acquire the dragon soul in order to empower the burning legions portal (as they we're looking to be summoned into Azeroth). Instead, Illidan betrayed the burning legion and he and Malfurion used the dragon soul to close the portal instead.
However, Illidan was always trying to become more powerful and after having his eyes burned out by Sargeras he had a vision of the legions true might. He knew that stopping them on Azeroth wasn't enough. He was concerned that the destruction of the well of eternity was too high a price to pay since it was the source of power, and potentially the immortality, of the elves. So he took a few vials of its water and created a new well of eternity in Hyjal which is what ultimately landed him imprisoned. The other elves disagreed with this action since it was the power of the well that ultimately corrupted Azshara and nearly allowed her to bring Sargeras to Azeroth.
As for the demons serving him I assume you mean the demon hunters? They, like Illidan, are using fire to fight fire, except in this case fire is fel. If you meant the demons in Black Temple in Outland, it's because Illidan fled there after escaping imprisonment to regroup. Outland was ruled by Magtheridon at the time so he defeated and imprisoned Mag and took control of Outland, including the demons that served Mag.
Ewoksintheoutfield ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:48:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nice explanation. I wish you were around dropping lore bombs when I was jumping into legion two years ago.
Is_Not_A_Real_Doctor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:50:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Werenโt there actual demons serving him at the Black Temple?
333Freeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Does this not include his last line:
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there is a lot more to his story that I've kind of skipped over since this is a timeline spanning 10k years. But there's a lot of back and forth Illidan had with Kil'jaeden regarding his mission to kill Arthas. Illidan did fear the wrath of the legion to some extent, and even after his first betrayal in the war of the ancients he was able to convince KJ he was still in their service.
But he failed to kill Ner'zhul twice (the second time at the hands of Arthas) and ultimately fled, heavily wounded and with the aid of Vashj and Kael'thas, back to Outland where he became the self proclaimed lord of the land and began conquering the territories in order to prepare for the legion invasion he anticipated due to his failure to kill the lich king. The demons in service of him were just one component, since he also had the naga, the Sin'dorei elves, the illidari and a new army of fel orcs he was creating.
Illidan is not necessarily good or bad, depending on what you believe is worth sacrificing to defeat the legion. During BC we saw him as a villain because to the people of Outland he was, but when fighting in Legion he was our ally. Ultimately that was his enemy all along, and anyone who got in his way was not shown mercy.
FourOranges ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
After killing Magtheridon, Illidan gets visited by KilJaeden who, instead of killing Illidan, gives him a second chance to bolster up and attack Arthas. I'm sure here is where it's cool that he leads Burning Legion demons (and shortly after that we attack him at BT) but I'm not sure if there was a civil war or not between BL demons and demons loyal to Illidan after the events of BT. There were definitely many who stayed even after his true intentions are revealed, chiefly among them Matron Mother as a key supporting demon that helps demon hunters in their storyline in Legion.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:41:46 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Illidari were his own mini-Legion until we took his transmog at the Black Temple
dwt4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant video for proof of how much a pussy Illidan is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csdgQ7QBnu0
GargleProtection ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 12:08:18 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't. It's why he so heavily focused on turning arthas. It's like Kerrigan and the overmind. He didn't have true autonomy so he went and made someone who would.
ManicMarine ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 12:36:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nerzul didn't lack will, it's just that he was trapped. He used Arthas to escape from Icecrown and become more powerful.
GargleProtection ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 14:05:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he lacked autonomy. He wasn't able to do anything his dread lord jailers didn't let him. He setup arthas' fall to make it look like it was all part of the plan to bring down the human kingdom when he was really creating a vessel that would grant him his freedom.
Vark675 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:24:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think the more concise way to put it is that he simply lacked physical autonomy. Seeing how he was a spooky voice in an uncomfortably cold hat.
xR34ct ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is from now on my favorite description of the Lich King pre Arthas taking up the helm of domination
twothumbs ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:53:24 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Aka nerzul didn't have true autonomy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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GargleProtection ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not according to sc2. It was shackled to the big bad guy's will. Kerrigan was its one little piece of resistance.
Freezinghero ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:14:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So the Undead came to be on Azeroth when the Legion took the twisted, tortured soul of Ner'zhul (who had failed them on Draenor and tried to escape them) and bound helm to the Helm of Domination. The Helm was created to control the Undead, giving them purpose and direction so that they could weaken Azeroth's defenders. The Helm/Ner'zhul combo was then sealed in a block of magical ice and launched into Northrend. As he was being hurtled towards Icecrown, Nerzhul managed to launch a tiny bit of his soul out of the ice through a crack, which attached to the cursed runeblade Frostmourne. Using the Undead and a tentative link to Kel'thuzad (who i think encountered Ner'zhuls soul on a tirp to Northrend), he was able to manipulate Arthas into coming to Northrend and taking up Frostmourne.
After the events of Warcraft 3: the Frozen Throne, Arthas shattered the block of ice and freed the Helm of Domination, whereupon he placed it on his head. There the souls of Arthas and Nerzhul fused, and the Lich King was created.
I don't know if you could strictly say the Lich King's end goal was to fight the Legion, but it is worth noting that a dreadlord (Lieutenant race of the Burning Legion) manipulated the Scarlet Crusade into traveling north to fight the Undead.
doctorstrange06 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:23:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Man you should read Arthas. It talks about this whole thing with great explanation. Fantastic read too.
Narase33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna play Warcraft 3, lot of Lore in there
Shamscam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Now I'm not 100% on this and stand to be corrected, but I believe the helmet when ner'zhul got it was just him in there, but then he recruited Arthas with frostmourne, if Arthas just took the helmet he wouldn't have been as corrupt, it was the sword that ruined him. But now that the 2 of them are in the helmet, its thought that they are trying to corrupt Bolvar.
Politicshatesme ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:16:15 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, blizz is gonna do wrath 2: electric boogaloo with bolvar arenโt they?
Shamscam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
eventually
Is_Not_A_Real_Doctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Sylvanas is gonna get it.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 12:05:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how that works out. You think the warchief would have responded better to his grand manipulation, mutation, enslavement and repeated betrayal of his people, destruction of his world, and finally murder and reconstruction of his very soul, better.
alexmikli ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:19:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ner'Zhul might have been a secret goodie but Arthas ironically made the Scourge pretty much pure evil.
Gorshun ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 12:23:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ner'zhul wasn't really a secret goodie at all. He didn't care if Azeroth went up in flames as long as the Legion went with it. He was completely in it for himself.
Jackboom89 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:15:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Ner'zhul has absolutely zero interest in Azeroth, he's not even from the place!
Managarn ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:07:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nerzhul was technically just another orc immigrant coming to azeroth. the difference is that is soul got twisted and put into the helm of domination to submit to the legion then sargeras yeeted him across the universe to land on azeroth.
Elcactus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:08 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KJ did the yeeting but otherwise yeah.
Jackboom89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm well aware
kerriazes ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 12:25:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Arthas' end game was the exact same as Ner'zhul's: turning all living beings on Azeroth into undead to prepare for the coming Legion invasion.
Neither was more evil or good than the other.
Ksradrik ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:28:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Afaik Arthas actively held the scourge back, thats why Bolvar had to replace him because without Arthas being the scourge wouldve actually done that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How powerful is the Scourge that an unrestricted horde wouldโve posed a more significant threat? I thought it was the organization provided by the Lich king that made them an existential threat.
I donโt know any lore and only played WoW at the end of WOTLK onward.
Why was Arthas trying to get folks to storm Northrend anyway?
Ksradrik ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty powerful, after all their most dangerous trait as an army is that their numbers increase as the number of their enemies decrease, so once they have a foothold, which they did, they could quickly go out of control.
You have to remember, even though we invaded northend, we barely scratched the scourge as a whole and focused on taking down their leaders, and even after we were done with that we still needed a replacement for the lich king because the "remnants" of the scourge were still massive enough for us to shit our pants.
Arthas wanted generals for his scourge, the best of the best, so he set up the whole invasion so that people could distinguish themselves as capable enough by slaying his current generals and reaching his throne, so that he can give them a final test, to then kill and resurrect them.
Forever_Awkward ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:31:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Arthas killed innocent zombies after they ate some funky bread. He is evilest. Even his grillfriend agrees.
Maxrokur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:41 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What girlfriend?
Forever_Awkward ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:26:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You know, that Doomlord he hung out with throughout that storyline in WC3. Jaime or something.
ShongLokDong ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:47:33 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He murdered his own advisors, made a deal with Deathwing, and destroyed Draenor. He isn't a secrect goodie.
Farabee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They kind of tried to explain Arthas's motivations in Chronicle 3 of using the Scourge as the ultimate "united Azeroth" against external threats. Generally the same logic used by any dictatorial government.
Though to be completely fair, we see in the Ebon Blade from Legion an organization of neutral undead, united against the bad guys that doesn't give a rat's ass about your race or gender but what you can bring to the cause. Granted we made a few missteps along the way in accruing more power (such as pissing off the Silver Hand and Red Dragonflight) but ultimately did more good than harm.
Gamejunkiey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:04 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I liked how the Ebon Blade progressively got more morally Dark-Gray as time went on.
Bolvar: "No Tirion! You cannot become the Lich King, that is my burden to bear! You are the pure light this world needs."
Bolvar in Legion: "Hey Deathlord, go to this guy's tomb, my best friend who i damned myself for, and raise him into undeath. K thanks bye."
wriggly1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:14:16 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The way I was told that the Bolvar isnโt the Lich King- that heโs a part of the Lich King. Like that the replace more Arthus with Bolvar is akin to changing a tyre on a car
Elcactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:40 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just because he's fighting the Legion doesn't mean he doesn't want to eradicte all life on Azeroth himself.
dwt4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't recall the Scourge ever directly confronting the Legion. In WC3 as soon as Archimonde is summoned he tells Kel'thuzad and Arthas to get lost and leaves for Mt. Hyjal (after destroying Dalaran). In the expansion Kil'jaeden orders Illidan to stop Arthas from reaching the Frozen Throne and merging with Ner'zhul but doesn't give him any demons to help out. Illidan has to rely on his Naga and Blood Elf allies. Even in WotLK the closest we see is the Scarlet Onslaught subplot where Mal'Ganis poses their leader, but it's debatable if that's in service to the Legion or if he is just out for revenge against Arthas.
Psychedelic42069 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 11:52:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No its true. They wanted a world united under the scourge because it was the only force they thought could defend Azeroth from the big bad demons
Xero0911 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 11:56:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
At the time? Cause I mean in the end they did defend Azeroth? Several times actually
Psychedelic42069 ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 12:01:52 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We only defended Azeroth from a full on burning legion big dick assault in legion because we had weapons like the Ashbringer and a dark knife with the strength of an old god behind it etc. If the scourge couldn't predict the discovery of 36 unique and incredibly powerful artifacts the day the burning legion invaded, they would have been right in thinking they needed to be the big powerful inexhaustible defence for the planet (and world soul)
alexmikli ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 12:20:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget a staff a monkey king had.
Totally on the level of Ashbringer
[deleted] ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 12:33:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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ElkLegsFor20Quid ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:58:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Technically itโs based off of ancient Chinese mythology. The monkey king is extremely powerful. Is Ashbringer even on the same level as an eons old claw of an old god? I think not.
Politicshatesme ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:18:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
An amazing mythology that spawned goku. The monkey king went from pretty strong monkey to equal to the jade emperor in a pretty short time. Itโs been a while but I think the only thing that stopped the monkey king was Buddha and thatโs because Buddha has infinite power and can fold space and time as if it were tissue paper.
scarlettsarcasm ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:14:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What anime is that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dragon Ball.
HaLire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Saint Young Men
Bladelord ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:53:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Equal of Heaven.
ParanoidEngi ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:18:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't spend an hour and a half making demon-slaying IPAs with the coolest hozen to ever live for you to besmirch his good name goddamnit
anonymousssss ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:45:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I liked my โspear of that really cool hunter dudeโ I had as a hunter.
luktaros ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:25:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Men, artifacts where kind of dumb
TUMS_FESTIVAL ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 13:07:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lore-wise they were dumb. Gameplay-wise they were fun as hell.
Forever_Awkward ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 13:33:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Gameplay wise they were dumb. Hurr I'm going to put the talent system on weapons instead so people have even less weapon/xmog options and everyone is running around with the same thing. They're even more legendary because literally everyone has one.
Garrosh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:08:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wish you were able to change your artefact appearance. But, reading your comment I guess that's not possible at all and everybody went around with the same looking weapon.
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:22 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
With the xmog bit, I'm talking about your options being limited because now your weapon type is limited, whereas before Legion, people didn't get strongarmed into those weapon types.
And if you're just talking about it not being an issue that everyone has these because xmogs existed, did that really stop your entire server from running around with the ashbringer? I swear I saw an entire gaggle of human kids playing with some ashbringers that got tossed away. Started a fresh alt and went to the kobold mines in elwynn forest. Every single kobold had an ashbringer. Sure, a couple of them had green tinted ashbringers, but they were still clearly ashbringers.
Malifos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it.
If a cheeky Kobold can wield the Ashbringer, then why can't my Fury Warrior?
Politicshatesme ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:21:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion, but Iโve always hated the way ashbringer looked. Like itโs so close to being such an amazing looking weapon, but it suffers hard from that late 80s-early 90s โfat swordโ look. Gonna get shit on hard so might as well double down, I also think the buster sword is clunky as hell looking.
ThePretzul ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, hate swords that are thicc.
hugglesthemerciless ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:43:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Funny way to spell awesome
Regalingual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:52 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or Emperor Shaohaoโs personal toilet scrubber.
BowsersBeardedCousin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, where have I heard this logic before?
clockwork2112 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:29:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's become a common theme in sci fi/fantasy entertainment. Like with Revan trying to turn the old Republic into a Sith Empire to rival the real Sith Empire that was gearing up for an invasion in an unexplored corner of the galaxy. All because the real Sith Emperor intended to devour all life in the galaxy, and he figured the people would be better off miserable but united under a militaristic civilization than all dead and trapped inside a Dark Side god.
twothumbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:07 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How do i get revan lore without playing the game? The book didn't have any of that
shandais ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:32:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
this guy explains it pretty well. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqQbvd0yJVc)
Dajayman654 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is in Gurren Lagann (spoilers ahead).
Lordgenome acted as the big bad guy on Earth because he lost the war with the Antispirals and the only way he thought humanity could survive was to induce fear as a tyrant to suppress Spiral Energy.
The Antispirals went to war and eventually started to suppress all the Spiral races, including Earth/humanity, to stop Spiral Beings from evolving too much Spiral Energy that would eventually lead to creating a giant universe-ending black hole called the Spiral Nemesis.
Psychedelic42069 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:30:24 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Errr, the scarlet crusade against the scourge? Did we not read the same comic
Elcactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:10 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It was both. Arthas wanted to take over the world, but also knew he needed to protect himself from the Legion because they were PISSED at him.
8-Brit ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 14:12:22 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the void works to stop the light.
And the light works to stop... The Scarlet Crusade?
not-a-candle ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:36:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well the Scarlet Crusade wields the light so at that point it's already gone full circle.
alexmikli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:59 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The circle is complete when the players fight themselves, their mains having gone insane and holing up in some dungeon because of bad writing
scarlettsarcasm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Light Was The Biggest Bad The Whole Time would be an amazing final expac
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:55:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That would be so hamfisted.
Isnโt our only indication that the light is bad is that it tried to force Illidan to take its power?
Dick move by the Light but also kidโs league evil
LadderGuy42 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:00:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What many donโt entirely realize is that the light is a force, nothing more. It can be used by anybody with a strong enough will and conviction, even for evil. Itโs another side of a coin, the other side being the void.
Both of these forces arenโt inherently bad or evil, but rather, one is maddening and one is calming.
Stormfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It reminds me of the Wheel of Time.
PRETTY BIG SPOILERS FOR THE WHEEL OF TIME SERIES
Basically, the main character seeks to end the cycle of imprisoning the Dark One (so he's later released in an unending cycle) by killing him once and for all, but he realises that in killing the source of evil, people are left in a world with no need for morality. Each person is basically a drone that lacks true free will because they are unable to act in a way that is "evil".
A planet corrupted by the Light might be similar.
It's "good", but in a way that people don't have truly free will because they are forced to comply with the wishes of the light. This is what they were trying to hint at with the Angry Wind Chime Magical Tentacle-rape, and with Alternate Draenor having the crazy Light cult. Also with Alleria's story arc.
The Light and the Void aren't good and evil, they're just two forces in the universe that need to be kept in check. See this chart. So basically, every expansion or major boss has been us pushing back one of the powers that had grown too strong, be it Death (Scourge), Shadow (Void), of Fel(Burning Crusade).
So most predictions are that the next step will be that we unbalanced the forces in the opposite direction and we'll have to push back the other forces (Probably Light). The other possibility is that it's Bwonsamdi's boss, which would be back to Death.
Keldon888 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:17 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Its the easy path so its also probably the path.
It fits a lot of Warcraft(and games in general) writing that's it is just pretty base level and easy but the characters and larger world are the appealing things.
Actual nuance is hard so games often handwave it and just say things are a certain way.
The most horrific version is Maghar recruitment where bizzaro Draenor suddenly has the neo-Scarlet Crusade led by the most hippie Draneai who apparently had forgiven enslavement and attempted genocide by the Orcs. And they and the Light, the game tells us, is responsible for Draenor dying. And thats it, we get no more information, Maghar recruiting complete. Light is also bad and planet killing because shut up.
Or in your case Illidan touts himself as Mr Sacrifice but was unwilling to do so to achieve his ultimate goal and so the Queen Windchime(who earlier berated us for killing Illidan when he was a tyrannical slaver monster) is suddenly bad for attempting a thing Illidan did on the regular. But rather than hypocrisy "I AM MY SCARS" is supposed to be a powerful moment of self actualization and is displayed as such and also makes Light kinda bad.
Though that can just be explained as the fan favorite character getting shine because favorite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I hate that Iโll jump on the hype train as soon as the new expansion drops regardless of where the story goes since high-magic fantasy is my smutty, daytime TV pleasure, but I do sometimes wish my consumer demographic was a bit larger to be catered to.
MMOs simply arenโt as popular among gamers anymore. This means a lot of story writing needs to be less complex and follow a BBEG of the week format to appeal to the broader crowd.
Whatever, I watched power rangers as a kid and lost my shit every episode. Itโs definitely in my palate the same way McDonalds is.
At least Blizzard has stayed pretty consistent on PVE quality imo.
Belazriel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Anduin only brings Calia to the Gathering after his Bell Broken Bones tell him it's a good idea which I believe is tied to the Light. While there with Anduin, Calia, Turalyon (all major Light forces) they are completely unable to stop Sylvanas and Calia's shield dissipates so that she can be killed. The Light then raises Calia. For whatever reason the Light needed her dead and raised rather than how she was, it's got some weird creepy plans of its own.
Beiki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have little doubt that any grandiose beings in the Light see the mortal races as nothing more than tools to use against the Void. The Light does not oppose the Void because it is good. The Light opposes the Void because it is its nature.
Belerus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It works to fight the void. Apparently, the void and the light work to fight each other endlessly.
boostmane ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:08:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bleezword is berry bahd and only writes then publishes the storyโs. They didnโt know people wouldnโt read them!
EveryoneisOP3 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:35:11 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
Broekan ยท 442 points ยท Posted at 11:37:31 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Great comic
The scourge was created by the burning legion to ease the invasion of Azeroth but they went rogue.
The scarlet crusade was formed to stop the scourge before they went rogue and is now controlled by the burning legion and used to fight their former rebellious creation.
The legion is not doing a very good job overall.
GrandpaHuge ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 11:40:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they are doing anything anymore. Are they?
Broekan ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 11:42:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well, no. The scarlet crusade was defeated in wrath when we defeated malganis who was their leader in form of the bishop.
The burning legion is leaderless with sargeras being jailed by Illidan. And the scourge is kept in control by Bolvar.
Quantentheorie ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 11:52:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how I feel about a demonic power vacuum - Illidan isn't really doing anything and he's demon enough, can't they make him the new head of operations?
Cellhawk ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 11:57:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Bolvar, keeping them in check? That could work.
Quantentheorie ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 11:59:24 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
At least it would be more productive than him hanging out with the titans and pretending he's poking Sargeras with his glaives for other reasons than to annoy him.
Cellhawk ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 12:18:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Like, he already did that kind of stuff with the Illidari and the whole Black Temple stuff. He already has the experience.
G66GNeco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:19:25 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And there is your argument against him coming back...
I kinda like being the leader of the Illidari. Although those lazy fucks apparently wont even lift a finger to help me keep an old god imprisoned... Pft.
Proxnite ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:08:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you spent a thousand years chasing this fucker after turning yourself into a fel being just to be able to fight him in the first place, youโd spend at least one expansion on vacation fucking with the guy. Heโs earned his time off.
What makes me sad though is we havenโt seen single god damn demon this expac. I forgot what itโs like being able to proc demon souls for an extra 20% dps randomly, I really miss it.
GoSaMa ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 12:44:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My impression is that the Scourge is much more top heavy, the Lich King basically runs it through mind control. The Legion has no reason to follow Illidan, certainly not if he tries to stop them from killing things.
Cellhawk ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:49:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense, since Scourge is just a horde of mindless magically controlled corpses, while Demons are the most cunning thing in most universes.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
More importantly we killed Argus. Putting Sargeras is Titan Time out is great and all, but killing Argus means that the demons can still revive in the nether, but it will take a while and only specific types may be able to.
Effectively meaning the whole endless army thing isnโt so endless, so even if they had a leader they canโt go crusading anymore due to the sheer casualties it would inflict.
Kaiserigen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Who is Argus?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:51:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Final boss of Legion was the world soul / Prototitan of Argus. Argus was being used by the demons to speed up the whole regeneration in the nether to blistering speeds in order to get the whole endless Legion. With him dead, the Legion isnโt endless anymore and their tactics they have used to this point is moot considering it now takes some time for them to regen.
yingkaixing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:22 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Argus was the planet the Draenei/Eredar came from. Some(?) planets are also Titan eggs, and the Burning Legion had corrupted the newborn Titan Argus. He was the final boss of the Legion expansion.
Ryltarr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:26 on July 13, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Demons are likely reverting to their pre-Sargeras state of infighting and random trouble making... Sargeras just marshalled them together because he wanted armies to fight the void lords.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason Sargeras got the demons to follow him was because he was so powerful and he threatened them with death
Draco_Lord ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:40:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There must always be a Sargeras King?
DharmaLeader ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:52:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They are giving themselves options to build upon past events in the future expansions!
Elaus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This was the exact point when the plot in WoW jumped the shark
GoSaMa ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:38:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Illidan has the power to take over the legion. Demons are kinda unruly so if you aren't pointing them at something to destroy they'll pick something on their own. You, if you're in their way.
TatManTat ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:40:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There is no being other than Sargeras that could keep so many demons in line imo.
Denadias ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Its a rule by Iron fist kind of thing.
Sargeras ruled the demons because he could fuck them all up, Illidan cant so no bossing around for him.
mighty_bandit_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Correct
Roboticide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:03 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Probably another Titan but they don't really have a reason to at this point.
Managarn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:13:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean its not like sargeras wanted illidan as his personal new body. Locking those two together on the seats of the pantheon might have not been such a good idea.
mighty_bandit_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That was a plot point? Cool.
Managarn ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:59:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, legion storywise is that guldan wanted to use illidan body as a vessel for sargeras. This is why Guldan has cordana felsong (legion turned warden) steal illidan's corpse.
Illidan souls is in the nether and the illidari and the DH pc contact him and then they try to get his soul back into his body.
Guldan had a deal with helya to keep his soul in helheim(she yanked illidan soul's from the twisting nether). Eventually the illidari gets his soul, puts it into the lights'heart (naaru artifact, part of xera). They give that to Khadgar who uses it as Guldan attempt to summon sargeras into illidan body. Which is why illidan is freed (but not possesed by sargeras) and then turns guldan into fel dust.
Malifos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:56 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm....
Sargeridan? Ilidas? Sargeridanas? Illigerasdan?
ShongLokDong ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:51:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
30 IQ over here. You really think Illidan who try to lead the demons? His entire life mission is to kill them all...
yingkaixing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You ever been to Black Temple? He totally wouldn't want anything to do with demons, that's for sure!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:48:31 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I half expect him to come back in 8.3 with an army of demons to fight Nโzoth and Azshara.
Eliseo120 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:46 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs a demon hunter so shouldnโt he travel the universe hunting down the burning legion and kill them all. That would be a good redemption.
Forikorder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
its more then just a power vaccum, they lost all there most important infrastructure and everyone at the top of the chain of command, theres no way for anyone to simply step in and do what they used to anymore it would need to be remade from scratch
Zeliek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The demons mostly do stuff out of fear, except perhaps most the eredar, they choose to follow Sargeras because of his offer. The rest of them were stuck to Mardum until Sargeras freed them and formed the legion, and they agreed to that because Sargeras threatened to make their existences as awful as possible - which was probably quite awful. Varimathras, for example, didnโt have the greatest time.
Nachoslayer ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:58:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They are still around. There was even some datamining that we might have to save a dark ranger from them. Death knights also fought them during Legion when people thought them to be gone for good. They get murdered all the time, but won't go down permanently. most villains and factions are put in the freezer until Blizzard sees them fit to make a return.
youwillruinyou ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
in legion dalaran there are scarlets walking around as "pilgrims" or something like that
Malifos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the Scarlet Crusaders in the updated Cata version of the Undead Starting Areas. (Correct me if wrong)
Elune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:11 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Priests headed to Northrend to rescue some and recruit one as a follower too. Blizz has basically written it so we're really bad at finishing off old villain factions.
Shovi ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:46:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"sargeras being jailed by Illida"
Lets be serious, Illidan aint doing shit to Sargeras, the other titans jailed and keep him in there, Illidan is just there for eye candy and nothing more.
Kaiserigen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:56 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What happens Legion? Why is KilJaden sad? Do we see Sargeras?
Alozar_Lorandul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I think they were technically defeated in MoP after we killed resurrected Whitemane. She could just res herself which is why we had to stab her with the blades that Lillian Voss had us get. That killed her permanently until she is resurrected as a DK.
Broekan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That was cata, was it not?
Alozar_Lorandul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the dungeons got reworked in Cata but SM was reworked in MoP.
Broekan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:15 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, ofcourse it was. They added a monk boss. All the expansions seem to blend together
youwillruinyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
weren't they trying to regain power in MoP, but we squashed them again before it became too serious
Furycopter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:41 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Balnazzar*
Broekan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:08 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, Mal'Ganis in Nothrend, on their island in Icecrown. Balnazzar was in Stratholme
Jebobek ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 12:10:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If the legion was actually competent we'd all be speaking demon and it would be world of slaverycraft. You log on and do 30 dailies for 8 hours or be level-downed.
DragonForeskin ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 12:16:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hey thatโs /r/outside
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
thats what makes wow a fantasy i suppose, it doesnt require you to do anything over and over regardless if you like it or not to keep up with other people
Politicshatesme ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:24:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So essentially garrisons.
Hellknightx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:08 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a problem with middle management. I would take it up with their CEO, but I heard he's on vacation.
Revalent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:57 on July 18, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Legion sounds kind of like a big country in the west currently controlled by someone orange
Drss4 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 12:31:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Void: Light is actually really evil guys
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 12:48:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Light: Watch out for Shadowlands
Lenxor ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:37:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shadow: Titans are dicks, don't trust them.
twothumbs ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 14:02:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Titans: fucking white males, reeeee
psterie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
World of Wokecraft - Titans remove ability for players to choose gender when creating a character, all white/light skinned characters have their prices doubled and xp/rep gains halved to promote equality. Titans are then revealed as pawns of Disney who bought the Titans out.
twothumbs ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:48:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the 48 genders that need to be represented?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:49:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Literally the same joke weโve heard every fucking day since gamergate
twothumbs ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:59:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a joke you transphopic, anti-helipad, pro-hepatitis, anti-necrophilic, seminal ordinancaphobic, xenomorphic, hemophilatic racist nazi
Alohatrois ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:04:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
this is the same joke...
Jackpkmn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:11 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The real joke was you all along!
twothumbs ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:10:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You're the joke
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:18 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol, the redpilled elite resorting to the "no u" arguments
twothumbs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:09:19 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Think you might want to boost your reading comprehension a bit there
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:11:32 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My reading comprehension is just fine. I read two short sentences you wrote and didn't even have to check your posting history to know you're an avid the_donald poster.
Why not go back to that quarantined cesspit of yours?
twothumbs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:36:40 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. You see, i never said no u. What i said was that you're the joke. Which is probably why you thought they were all the same joke, when they were very different jokes, but about the same kind of person.
But i wouldn't expect someone with your critical analysis skills to spot the difference, so don't sweat it.
thebrobarino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:03:23 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Think of something original, try reeeeeeaaaaaal hard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:16 on July 13, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You're asking a lot
Proditus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:59:33 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly waiting for World of Warcraft: Shadowbringers at this point.
heartlessmushroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:37 on July 21, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That would ironically bring the whole thing full-circle, as members of The Scarlet Crusade are empowered by The Light
bigolfishey ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 12:21:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Little do we know that the Void Lords are merely pawns of the true evil...
HOGGER.
TheV0791 ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 13:04:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm actually gonna bet that Nโzoth convinces us that the true evil ones are the titans...
Sure, Old Gods are bad, but the titans remove the chances of free will and choice! The curse of flesh was a fluke in the titans plan which gave us those gifts. We need the old gods to ensure the titans donโt return and make us all mindless automatons!
undont ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:48:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you really think about it the Titans really just want to save us from ourselves.
merc08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:28:01 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The true evil was inside us all along!
PolioKitty ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:23:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's got my vote.
Zeabos ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:32:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Nzoth was an old god and not a void lord. Have we seen any significant void lords in game?
ShongLokDong ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:53:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He is an old god, we haven't seen any void lords, Just lackeys.
Sabard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:41 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, just like I'm pretty sure we've never seen a light "lord", the highest ranking light-being we've seen are naruu which are the equivalent of the old gods.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:03 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dimensius?
ShongLokDong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:35 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That is only a fragment.
miso_ramen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK it's currently impossible for a Void Lord to enter the realm of reality, but they can create Old Gods and throw them all over the universe somehow. I don't doubt that they'll manage to manifest themselves in the universe at some point in the story though.
Zeabos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah at a certain point we have to stop rehashing Legion, Old Gods, Undead and try something new as the big bad.
Qualiafreak ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:39:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The inevitable end of all rpgs is killing gods.
Malifos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
SHULK INTENSIFIES
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so ready to finally fight another Old God. Those story lines hold a special place for me.
Malifos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
tbh I actually believe the Titans aren't as nice as they seem. Sure they're all whimsical and magical and friendly to our faces, but how quickly we forget that they wanted to nuke the planet in Ulduar.
Titans don't give a darn about Mortal life, we're either sucking their toes or we're a hindrance and an obstruction.
HarrekMistpaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Titans didn't want to do anything, they were almost all dead at that point
Algalon was sending a message that would activate the Halls of Origination in Uldum, which re-originate the planet in case of too much corruption
It was all automated, titans weren't even aware it almost happened
Malifos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Aghhhh good point, I'd actually forgotten that.
Belazriel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shadows/Vorlons in B5
itsmauitime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're getting into a conundrum of "The perfect world is not a desirable one".
Like in Gurren Lagann, the Anti-Spiral want to create an ideal world, because if the Spiral gets out of control (such as a spiral species breeding normally) the universe is bound to blow up. And I bet that is what happens 200 years into the future after the series ends.
In DnD, the plane of Mechanus is a world of complete balance, but its also a caste society, where machine beings do the same thing their whole lives, where a machine of a certain order literally cannot understand the language of non-adjascent orders. Its a perfect, clockwork world, but its not one any of us would like, is it?
TheV0791 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:38 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It would be an amazing way to divide factions further... Alliance-Chaos, Alliance-Order, Horde-Chaos and Horde-Order!
Could add a ton of rpg elements into this โrpgโ.
GoatOfTheBlackForres ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:07 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hogger is Bwonsamdi's boss^^
drododruffin ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 11:13:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
D'aww, how are we supposed to stay mad at N'zoth when he looks that adorable!
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 11:50:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 11:53:33 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense why Corgi dominated the steam summer sale. It's one big crossover in the works!
popemichael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the current baddy is a cute little fishy...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs why they nerfed the corgi goggles, wouldnโt be able to perceive the true enemy
SurgeLoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:46 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know that nโzoth, the big old god baddie, has just turned into a corgi for only 30 secs but if anything happens to him i will kill everyone here and then myself.
Daankeykang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:22 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dude that's how I feel about Azshara. She looks like a cute cartoon character lol
FlyfishingThomas ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 11:51:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Rascals made me lose it. Good job.
Cyanomelas ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 12:46:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the real villains are our characters. Look at how much killing and destruction we've caused over the years.
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 12:48:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
look at the title
Cyanomelas ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:54:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol, i just saw the cool cartoons and started typing
Saturos47 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:57:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate your honesty
WrennFarash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:41 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hell I like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister!
Jammypotatoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:37 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:45 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
bruh ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐
benthenister ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Our characters just released an old god. That never happened before. We are not bad guys just idiots.
Cyanomelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:49 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol, truth
Gregamonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:14 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're playing Horde, no one the player kills isn't a clear and present threat to the innocent people paying you to stop them.
Horde are totally the bad guys though.
Butters055 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:00:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's always a bigger fish
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:08:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know the proverb far predates Qui-Gon saying it but I'm always reminded of him
Rdogg114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:02 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
your mind on prequel memes
Rafoel ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:51:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is meant to be a joke, but it actually underlines how differently you can judge the wars in warcraft depending on your point of view.
Sargeras is a Titan, a being of cosmic scale. He was alive when Azeroth was still ravaged by elements, and he will still be alive when our civilizations turn to dust. Meanwhile, Void Lords are a threat of similar cosmic scale. If we were trying to save Earth from incoming comet, would we care about fate of ants? For Sargeras, we are ants. Irritating ants that want to doom whole Universe in order to slightly extend our completely insignificant lifespans.
From our perspective, we just want to live. Why would we care about some "abstract" threat that won't even influence us in any way for the next 100000 years?
Similarly, we fight against the Scourge. But if the Lich King REALLY believed there is no hope of defending against the Burning Legion unless we unite as undead? Truly, we would lose if not the help of the Pantheon.
And of course, from the point of view of Scarlet Crusade its clear who is the villain. Scourge are monsters that destroyed whole human kingdom, they need to be eradicated so common people can live peacefully.
Gregamonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:07 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Scarlet crusade and a bigger threat to those common people than the scourge at this point. They're just a bunch of murderous lunatics who use "we kill some zombies too" as their justification.
sesor33 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:40:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kel'Thuzad is best boi in Warcraft history, don't @ me.
Elune ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:45 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Still possibly out there too, since his phylactery still exists, only thing that'd realistically stop him from returning is how to use him while not reusing nax for a third time.
Hyunion ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 12:14:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cue Blizzard's "tassadar isn't actually dead, kerrigan and zerg have been the good guys all along" rolls eyes
NotHomo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:25:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
that's not the main storyline anyways. starcraft is all about an unwilling victim of hybridization becoming the most powerful force in the whole galaxy, but she's still weak because raynor has the bone she really needs
Bladelord ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:57:31 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But Tassadar was actually dead and it was just manipulation to speed things along on the part of Ouros.
illutian ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 11:25:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Blizzard needs to read this and have N'zoth say that, when we confront him.
Make it so!
BoddAH86 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 11:08:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And why would life and the light be inherently better than eternal darkness and void?
Whoever made that comic is a bigot!
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 11:31:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Light isnt inherently better than darkness though ? Too much light turned lightbound into turbo space nazis, and the naaru tried to mind control the illidan when he refused his foretold "destiny". And before that you have scarlet crusade who were capable of wielding the light when their leader was balnazzar. Light doesn't depict good in wow, it depicts order, while darkness depicts chaos.
Warpshard ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:28:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I still maintain that Xe'ra is bad, not the Light itself. She was responsible for trying to lightforge Illidan, the radicalization of the Lightforged, and another version of her was responsible for the hyper-radicalization of the Lightbound on Draenor. She's the single constant among the three biggest recent scenarios that showed the Light can be bad, and she was the one who orchestrated all of them. Not to mention that she seems to be an outlier among Naaru, considering pretty much every other named Naaru that hadn't voided-out has been chill with us and pretty much everyone else that's not a villain. That doesn't really incline me to believe the Light is bad, especially when you consider that we've seen it as a staunch force for good that can be abused by evil groups for over a decade.
GreySage2010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Especially given that all 3 instance that you mention were objectively good things, the whole "the Light is just as bad, both sides blah blah blah" rhetoric really gets old.
Broekan ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 11:34:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. All the light cares about is your devotion to it. Retribution paladins call upon the light to inflict suffering in their enemies. The light does not care who you are or who you fight. It doesn't even care about your motives. All it cares about is your devotion to the light.
ConnorMc1eod ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 12:05:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
PURGE THE HERETICS
gio0sol ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 12:16:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
PURGE THE UNCLEAN
Lenxor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:35:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
NO PITY, NO REMORSE, NO FEAR!
killchu99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:44 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
FOR THE EMPEROR!
RockBlock ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:31:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Light doesn't care about anything though, and certainly not your devotion to it. It's a magical power type not a diety. A force that is generated by feelings of hope, courage, compassion, determination, devotion (to anything), and conviction.
The game's been pretty explicit about that as of late seeing as half the things in the game that use light don't worship the human Light.
twothumbs ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:01:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Arthas lost the light during his purge of that city because he was being so murderous.
mighty_bandit_ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:48:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because of himself, not the light abandoning him
twothumbs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He thought he was doing the light's work
mighty_bandit_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:20:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But clearly had doubts because the Scarlett Crusade have no problem lightbombing my ass
twothumbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:28 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or, in a way, they could be serving the light's will by bombing your ass. The light can be cruel, no one disputee that
Irradiatedspoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You could say he was pretty devoted to being murderous I guess?
Lenxor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:33:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also the light blinds you with it's shining, hiding it's true evil nature.
RudeHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the light used to be characterized differently- non interference and all that
I think once the writers realized the burning legion couldn't be the boogeymen forever, and neither could the void, they started the light's heel turn
GoSaMa ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 12:49:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But Order and Chaos are separate forces from Light and Shadow according to the Chronicles?
Zeliek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt arcane order and fel chaos?
SurgeLoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Light is just depicted as the opposite of void that live upon the same coin. They do not mean order vs chaos.
Order is known as Arcane which the titans live under as they are opposed by chaos which is known through the fel or burning legion.
Then you have the third section which is life vs decay. Basically wild gods vs scourge.
Even though each duo has their mortal enemy of their opposite, they still know of the other affinities and have certain relationships between them. Thats why when alleria windrunner was near sylvanus, the void within her was practically yelling for alleria to kill her sister right there as the void is afraid of undeath. There have been speculations that undead have no connection with the living construct thus making them immune to old god influence but its still a hypothesis.
Selenios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:12 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well, with Chronicle, the cosmic forces of Warcraft are defined: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/f/fd/TheCosmicForces-WoWChronicleSample.png/revision/latest?cb=20160313175241 .
So if it's true that light and shadow don't represent good and evil, it's false to say they represent order and chaos (witch is more an arcane/fel thing)
HildartheDorf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
To save
The First ShardAzeroth we must become theWarrior of DarknessChampion of the Void.Belerus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As it turns out, it's light isn't inherently good either. (And yes I get the joke being made)
ultramagnusx ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:03:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If the Old God in the last panel was blushing when they said it, I wouldโve died
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:04:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
now you remind me
Deekr1 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 11:18:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
NโZoth the Scamp
Flammablegelatin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:17:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Except the Legion kind of relished in torture and pain, so it wasn't just trying to stop the void lords
Warpshard ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:37:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm pretty sure the joke is that all of these groups are evil despite claiming to have a greater purpose that is ultimately good.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:47:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
that must be ok by demon standards
Reanit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:29:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing OC friend
BrutalWarPig ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:47:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I read nzoths voice in south parks satan voice.
Godzilla_Fan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:14:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, the Scourge had a reason for what it did beyond wanting to rule Azeroth? I knew they were originally created by the Burning Legion but I donโt remember it being said that they were doing their evil in order to stop the Burning Legion
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:22:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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Godzilla_Fan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:26:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But was that the whole plan or were they just enemies Arthas was preparing for? Was conquering Azeroth the goal or was it just a step to the goal of beating the Legion? I donโt remember seeing anything saying fighting the Legion was the goal, just something they were preparing for
Haatsku ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:17:33 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Unify the whole planet in undeath to stop fighting with each other and focus solely on stopping the burning legion.
mrlightpink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, they didn't have an ultimate goal beyond slipping the rug from under the legion so they could have the world for themselves. They did have an important-ish role in the legion's defeat though, which was Arthas slightly nudging Illidan in Tichondrius' direction so they could get rid of the legion top dog at the time.
You could however make the argument that since the whole thing was orchestrated by Ner'zhul, maybe he really was in it for revenge and solely for defeating the Legion and by extension KJ, for his own personal reasons and definitely not to save the world or whatever. But for Arthas, KT, Anub etc. i'm sure they wanted the world for themselves, especially after Arthas becomes the LK.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah people are misrepresenting the Scourge a little bit here.
Yes, the scourge was the enemy of the Legion. But this isn't a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of situation. The Scourge was an enemy of EVERYBODY. They weren't interested in fighting the Legion to save Azeroth, like the Illidari were. They wanted to fight the Legion for revenge, as they used to be enslaved to them.
The Scourge are the true chaotic evil on Azeroth (not counting the void lords). They don't serve a higher purpose. They aren't misguided fallen heroes, they're just pure evil who want to see the world burn and rise again as undead.
Forbizzle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:36:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is great. I would have loved if his armor changed with each expansion, but that's a big ask
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:40:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I did consider it, but it would have been a lot of work for not that much more joke
KarmaUK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:22:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He's just transmogged his new gear into his fave vanilla set, right?
MrNeurotoxin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:02 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You could have just put some silly clown clothes on him for TBC and use the normal armor for the rest.
Living-Bones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
devil's in the details! sometimes it's the little touches that get to you :') but this one doesn't need any touch haha
Throrface ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:28:32 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And then we find out that the old gods were just holding Azeroth in check and SHE is the reall villain! In the name of the Void; die, Azeroth!
dariusz2k ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:50:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ultimately, it's gonna end up being "Azeroth was trying to destroy the void the whole time we were just trying to keep the titan in stasis to keep our own world safe."
TheDamnburger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:57:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Void lords - The light are the real bad guys
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:49:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Well we only corrupt planets on order to fight against The Light that's been persecuting our people for eons."
Gojacks4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:20:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If Nzoth ever goes โyea we are a bunch of rascalsโ i might die
ReelyReid ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:21:43 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a reason why the Cosmic Forces chart for WoW is a circle.
Light says scourge are the baddies Scourge says the Legion are the baddies Legion says the void are the baddies The void will likely say the light are the baddies and weโll have an expac called WoW Voidbringers
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:40:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we are the bad guys.
psterie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Millions of heroes... all just dancing to these fuckers tunes. Go here, do this, get shineys. We need to converge, get all of the void, light, titans, scourge and all of the "forces" and corral the into one big fucking room and just say "we're locking the door. Sort your shit, all of it, or we'll sort it for you. We're tired of being the middlepeople. Resolve your shit." Throw in a broken pool stick and tell them to make it quick. If they don't, we the players start the million member boot party and just wholesale stomp ass on all of them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:25 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
YEAH WE TRY TO TAKE OVER PLANETS AND CREATE A VOID TITAN ABLE TO DESTROY THE UNIVERSE BUT WE ONLY DO THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING SOMETHING IN OUR OPINION THE TITANS ARE EVIL SOMETHING SOMETHING BLAH BLAH BLAH I DONT KNOW WHY THEY DO THIS IN THE LORE BLAH BLAH BLAH
Skelosk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's always an eviler fish
Warmor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Could have gone at least one more, we all know the Light is the REAL enemy!
Gimbu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And that's the current expansion of FFIV. lol
LordMetrognome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:01 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The title is the best part of this post lmao
Mega_Nidoking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ultimate WoW final boss: Ras'Cal the Cheeky One! Heard it here first!
Anastrace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:38 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This was awesome! I love the void being rascals. I'm imagining a void lord dressed like Dennis the Menace.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well. Guess Iโll join the Legion then. Gulโdan! Fetch me some of this demon juice, will ya?
NeophytePoser ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:08:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I love how somewhere during the writing of Legion Blizzard's writing team seems to have shifted, deciding that the massive army of fucking Demons can't just be evil for the sake of evil and needs to justify its burning crusade for reasons other than simple enslavement and destruction.
Don't get me wrong, I know the Old Gods and Sargareas have always been at odds. But the whole "we, the soul stealing, torturing demons do what we do to stop the really evil guys" angle seems laughably unnecessary.
Vinven ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:58:34 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the only reason why he wants to destroy the world is to prevent it from being born corrupted by the void.
Dosu_Kinuta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:32 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well the demons are evil, they spawned from the chaos of the twisting nether and exist to spread chaos. Sargeras just lead them with the promise of more power
Elementium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I'm ok with it cause I don't like Saturday morning cartoon villains. Although the Legion is still pretty close.
NeophytePoser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:22 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to take the stance that it's 100% okay for demons to be Saturday morning cartoon villains. They're literally evil creatures from a hellish world that feed on souls and derive pleasure from the pain of others.
Elementium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The problem I have is that unlike the undead, demons are all different races and have independence. With races like that I need to think about how they live their lives everyday.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:40:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Now I'm waiting for the void lords and old gods to say they're just trying to defend against an even bigger threat, and then the bigger threat just shows up and is like "sup, bitches".
Nat20_on_a_D100 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:13:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you silly voidlords
Jcorb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This legit made me laugh.
It's definitely interesting (and a bit frustrating) that they so constantly have to point to a "But we were just being evil to stop an even greater evil".
The "Void Lords" were such an ass-pull, I still can't take any of it seriously anymore. Sargeras was built up to be THE big-bad, for so long. And then we briefly see the entire Pantheon of Titans in a freaking cutscene, Sargeras gets dusted like a little bitch without even taking a single character out, and Sargeras was "only evil because of those darn Void Lords"?
I mean shit, fuck-face from Nighthold even scored a kill with Tirion Fordring. Sargeras did fuck-all, other than give us a lore excuse to unequip our Artifact weapons.
Gold_Atreyu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Twighlight crusade look cool. Any leather mogs for them that my druid can wear?
AddzyX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:40 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What a trooper. Keeping the same mog set for 14 years.
Frootykuk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit Cโthun
Snowyjoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So what happens when we defeat the final bad guy?
Do we get WoW 2.0?
Justice20 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So basically the scarlet crusade are just trying to stop the void lords.
Badger_boy_198 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh those rascals, rofl
No_one_32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:10 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
First, I want to say this top shelf OC, OP.
Idk if anyone has posted this already, and its a small detail, but I would have loved to see hes eyes be slowly narrowing as he progresses down the line of baddies.
videogamepie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:00 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
[insert Steve Urkel "DID I DO THAT?!" sound here]
mlcsc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:16:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't play WoW, sorry if I don't know what the characters are. But that red and white night is probably from Canada.
ekilmebe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:32:05 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Haha legitimately cute
Taizzdiya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:51:55 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is dope lol
kaytiecakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:16:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha amazing
Cyanomelas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:13 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bloody rascals!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
LMFAO that last panel is fantastic
Beeftin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:19 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But where do the troggs fit in?
Rambo_One2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The source of all evil - the "rascals" of the universe!
Gosun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nice reference there buddy. Good OC.
Somin1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But didn't the scourge did that in order to prepare the world for a legion invasion?
RoxLOLZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"The Light is the bad guy"
darclord1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Void: We want you to kill the true enemy The Light
LuckofCaymo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:32 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Basically WoW
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:28 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
OP really understands the Metzenverse. It's sad when this principal theme is also within StarCraft II. Soon we'll find out that Diablo and the Lords of Hell were really "not the bad guys."
Woahful ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Illidan is missing from this comic, this was his entire thing! Still love it nonetheless.
Falkens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:53 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's always a bigger fish
Gnivill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah just wait until the Void are only trying to offer freedom from the tyranny of the Light Gods.
forbearance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/Eh4f8SUp-PU?t=37
Mirions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Those rascals. Great Job OP
TheOstrich66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:31 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That last pane got me good ๐
Lonelan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:44 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also the void: But we power your weapons bro
Bulvious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:39 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Havent played WoW in ages but god the lore has gotten dumb.
BeerGogglesFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the series, Supernatural... 15 years of there's somebody worse, followed by, isn't God a rascal?
whatever_what ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
hehe..i stopped watching after the lore become so convoluted.
Chris-Strummer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:04 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs always a bigger fish
newmdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the good ole days of farming around stratholme and that area for silk. At least i think it was silk.... Its been about a decade since I've played
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:11 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Op now I can say I understand what the hell has been going on this entire time.
gnomulus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldโve started with murlocs.
Blindman84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:26 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hah! This got an actual audible chuckle at work from me.
Take your upvote sir/madam!
GoatOfTheBlackForres ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
<Insert Death>
MaxisDidNothingWrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely perfect, great work!
Million-Suns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I realized how evil were the Horde and the Alliance when they made player pandaren choose side and kill their former brethren just because they had different uniforms.
GeauxAllDay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
" Oou N'Zoth vorzz. I zz yrr al'tha. W'oq ky zz oou fssh wgah shandai zuq. "- The Void peeps
PB_Puffins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:00 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Love you for making this ๐
onlyr6s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm... maybe you are right. Kill them all anyway just in case.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Great post
ShoodaW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:58 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's pure gold
noobman5k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:30 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can somebody tell me where does the โfriend we made along the wayโ phrase originated from? Is it from onepieces?
Reciprocity187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Follow Pyromancer on twitter and other sources.
Void Lords = part of the Pantheon.
Real enemy is likely a part of the Pantheon (Aeonar).
We see how the light can be an enemy during the Mag'har Orc Allied Race introduction storyline. The Light can be 'zealotous' and the 'blood of Azeroth' is quite likely infusion from the blade, which contained Argus the Unmaker (death), too. Sargeras took the essence of Argus in the blade, pushed it into Azeroth (hence they Eye) and what's coming out is possibly Argus and/or Azeroth.
With cut scenes from released video, we know all of this part of a bigger gambit by Azshara and N'Zoth.
Pyromancer has been quite spot on, both with in-game lore and the chronicles books.
lavindar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahah this is great, I would love to see more comics like this.
woodjt5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Clever
ArcherIsLive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, great last panel, I lost it when I read "rascals" hahahaha!
Preemfunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A+
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:28 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this so funny? ๐
ChalupaBatman25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:23 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I love this haha cause itโs so true
tigerstorms ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
as someone who has followed the lore since Warcraft 2 this is beautiful and totally true, haha.
whatever_what ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
ha..so true....next... Void lords: the lights are the real bad guys.
Isslair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:32 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, we already saw that in how they tried to deal with Illidan. Stealing his scars and stuff. >_>
Kaiserigen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain me? The Burning Legion were THE evil, what about those void guys? Amon?
govicz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
OK WHAT NEXT?
Royal_Calamari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:37 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to refer to old gods as rascals from now on
PsychicSidekikk419 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:51 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They are a bunch of rascals, indeed. Gotta love'em
mayorjimmy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:49 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Void Lord, you scamp. musses hair
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Actually why I'm no longer interested in wow.
Parrtymonster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:57 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Scarlet Crusade will forever be badass tho, I always transmog my dudes to be Scarlet Crusaders.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading this in the Warcraft Chronicle! Explaining why the Burning Legion was formed really added characterization for Sargeras. I thought it was great. Love this comic
Ttotem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:12 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they're gonna make up some other villain(s) once we eventually deal with the void lords.
ChristopherandHobbes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:03 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I dont play WoW but this is still hilarious.
michaellucioperez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:46 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is the plot of the Journey to the West.
djordis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:29 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
it's only reasonable to think at this point that the Void lords must be indeed fighting Blizzard as the greater evil
Politicallybeastly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:52 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs always a bigger fish.
Sorenthaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:35 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And then it turns out that the Void Lords are just puppets of the Activiziers.
Ryltarr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:49 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying we progressively defeated all the nested layers of conflicts between Azeroth and the void lords, thus becoming the ones who put Azeroth in increasingly more danger and now we've gotta deal with that danger ourselves?
TowzyTV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:42 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is great haha! Those rascals, good job OP!
bbiaso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs the problem with cosmic wars
musclemaxmike777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is great lol
FeanorNoldor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:27 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know the burning crusade was doing that to defend against the void lords. Great comic sir
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:18 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
THE SCARLET CRUSADE DID NOTHING WRONG.
door_of_doom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely love this.
d0tEcho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:26 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That is an amazing title
Moonshainu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:50 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I knew wow was absolute shit when they retconned the lich kings motivation. Such a pathetic atempt at turning everyone into a anti hero. Man blizzard turned into a cheap hooker these years.
SharkRaptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:50 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What? Arthas died and was replaced on his throne with a chaotic neutral character, Bolvar Fordragon. We still donโt know Bolvarโs intentions.
Arthas was evil right up until the end, just like WC3.
Moonshainu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:02 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The retcon was before Bolvar. The lich kings motivation changed from hateful being that suffered unimaginable torture to I must build my army to protect Azeroth...
SharkRaptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:19 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Lich Kingโs intention was always to take over maliciously, at least from all the lore and quests that Iโve participated in
WobbySath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:41:40 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the funniest wow comics i've ever read, well done
Thorned_Beauty666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:35 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why can I not updoot this enough?!~ Though I love the last one... I couldnt tell if he was sticking out his tongue or something else XD
Magicbank7777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:05 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
KabaTheBier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:54:47 on July 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You are great sir. Keep up the work!
GreySage2010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:54 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Great, except you ended the comic 1 panel too early. The void lords should say they are only trying to stop Sylvanas, to which Sylvanas should say, "What? Trying to wipe out all life in the universe makes me evil now?"
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:28:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
what a rascal she is
Magnarose14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:24 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can see current Blizzard trying to pin it on her too.
Minecraftplaya13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:50 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Did someone say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?
hakoonamatata9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:59 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The real bad guys are the players - a.k.a. the murder hobos who basically murder everything from undead to titans to old gods and everything in between for a few shiny pieces of loot.
๐๏ธ ChromedDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:36 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
did you see the title?
hakoonamatata9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:40 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. And I tried my best to interpret it in case someone did not understand.
My little brother : I dont wanna kill these poor bears and zebras.
Me : you have to do it if you want that green cloak.
My little brother ๐ญ : fine. But howmany more poor animals do I have to kill in this game?
Me ๐ : Yes.
scarab456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:48 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, the third panel has me confused. Wasn't the Legion a product of the void lords and stuff?
JareBear2154 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:05 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm this isn't true though?
Platypys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:32 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you are correct doesn't mean you're right!
fellewsson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:02 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ase
csarmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:53:45 on July 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So maybe the end doesn't justify the means?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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Lucuhle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:17 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Scarlet Crusade did nothing wrong
Richestman78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:16 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Morally grey expansion.
DrewZee-DC ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:09 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I guess this goes along with the idea that Blizzard has some incredibly uncreative storytellers lol
MrMrFright ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 11:45:21 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The original plan behind the scourge was to weak the World for the arivaal of the burning legion ๐ค Later with Arthas they fought against the legion because they feelt used or other emotional Prince honour shit. ๐
MrCamie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:42:47 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The scourge started to free themselves for the burning legion right after the defeat at Mount Hyjal. That's why Kil'Jaeden asked Illidan to destroy the Lich King.
MrMrFright ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 12:57:20 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nope
MrCamie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:59:06 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that comment that provides lots of information about the subject we're disagreeing about.
Vatrumyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:32 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I like to call comments that disagree with a one word "Nope" as "Benedictions of falsehood". Its suitable, I think.
MrMrFright ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 13:04:45 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks I know, wish coud say the same about you.
BenGrandblade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:27 on July 11, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โฆ soโฆ so you wanna elaborate on the nope, give some proof or something towards your case? Or do you wanna just dig in your heels over being incorrect?