I was kicked from a random heroic for not dispelling a Disease.
They accused me of being afk and not doing my job.
Since I am a resto shaman I then posted my Purify Spirit spell for them to read that I can only dispell Magic effects and Curses.
I was kicked shortly after that.
worse than that it was some disease that came from trash mobs which could be kicked, but the tank pulled an ass full of mobs and my kick has a 12 seconds cooldown so I can't kick 3-4 mobs casting this crap
lmao so it comes full circle, where it turns out the DPS and tank weren't doing THEIR job. Healer should literally be the last to have to interrupt- or even better, shouldn't have to interrupt at all.
ExusDius ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 09:02:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most healers donโt have an interrupt. I believe the only one that does still is Shaman.
You can use typhoon (?) or bash (?) (been druid for 3 expacs now and still donโt know the names oops) but typhoon has the possibility of pulling trash if you arenโt careful and some tanks arenโt happy when you scatter the pack and bash isnโt useable on all mobs. Plus neither of them silence the target. So technically we do buy itโs really unreliable
forbjok ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:00:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, they can sort of be used to interrupt, but as you point out the downsides make them nearly useless for a healer in PvE. Mighty Bash would be a good choice for the melee specs, but as a healer or ranged, it's impractical.
I'm a MW and am constantly using Leg Sweep and Ring of Peace because DPS don't interrupt anything. Sorry, tank, I don't care if you're mad about shit getting moved around when I'm being forced to stop healing to be our only interrupt.
Yeah I'm playing holy priest and this happens all the time. Tank is pulling too many mobs at once that need interrupts, DPS is not interrupting anything, I'm struggling to keep up with dispels and keep health up while dodging interruptible uber spells.
corvak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve only ever had Dps interrupts work in guild groups where we have voice chat. In pugs what usually happens is every DPS hits the first one because DBM yells about it.
That makes sense. The strategy I kind of use, and what I think kinda makes sense in PUGs without communication, is to randomly pick a percentage in my head and whenever an interruptible cast reaches that percentage to interrupt it. If the chosen percentages are random enough it should avoid stepping on each other.
When I play dps or tank I interrupt at the last possible moment, unless it's a dangerous channel, in which case I interrupt asap since we could be dead if I leave it towards the end
My wife and I were doing underrot with a resto shaman and THANK GOD we could coordinate our kicks because there were way too many of those fuckers with our tank deciding it was time to monster pull.
Gouge, between the eyes, vanish cheapshot and blind all had to be used as well. What a shitshow.
Jmrwacko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:19 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that stacking dot is brutal, you canโt mass pull without disease cleanse.
Dave0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:30:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre not supposed to dispel it. I can mass dispel so might do on mythic if the damage is high.
Occasionally take it off the tank if theyโre having a bad time. Stack up on tank and use gold circle to dispel everyone
What's supposed to happen is that the tank gets the boss real close to, and facing the mushrooms so the cleave takes some of 'em out, then the off-threat explosion is used by the DPS to take most of the rest, then if there are any left the tank/dps soak 1-2 each.
What actually happens is the tank and dps does nothing and the mistweaver (me) runs around popping 5-6 at a time then cleansing themselves on one set, and blowing revival to mass cleanse the instant they all pop on another set, then seeing the boss fall about 1s before they do a third that would force the wipe. Something literally only mistweaver can do right now. But hey, at least the boss didn't give me any loot.
I know what's supposed to happen, except you can't expect people know what to do perfectly that early in the xpac (and even more in hc/mythic running with pub)
CAWWW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:32:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heroic I understand, but in my opinion the moment you step into a mythic you should at least read the dungeon journal or ask if you are unsure. Its not unreasonable at all to expect people doing the (current) cutting edge stuff to at least try a little bit since presumably those same people are going to want to do M+ where these mistakes will kill everyone.
My "hardcore casual" analysis of that dungeon is that everything that can be stepped on, must be stepped on. In explaining this to my guildmates that ran it later in the week, I forgot that there is, in fact, a first boss, because the first boss is so faceroll easy compared to the "I hope you weren't planning to DPS during Tantrum" second boss, the "thank goodness Ret has access to Cleanse" third boss, and the "DPS might as well not even be here" fourth boss.
My guild's tank tried to tell me that Temple was rated the hardest m+0 because some DPS don't stand in the energy beams. Personally I think that the last boss of Shrine should get a shoutout for the adds that require an interrupt rotation and purple aoe you need to spot on a purple background, but I still think Underrot wins the "most frustratingly difficult" award.
I also didn't get the 2h axe I wanted off the third boss, so maybe I'm just salty.
I think both game and players forget that they put dispell on a 8 sec CD too, was on the last boss in siege of boralus and it puts 2 debuffs out at once that need to be dispelled, it does damage to those who are close to the target who has it and knocks them back also.
Anyways after a wipe due to us not realising the order in which to kill tentacles, a dps said "You do know you're supposed to dispell" well me after dispelling on CD being knocked about by him as he was running on me with the debuff etc... I just calmly said it puts out 2 debuffs at once and my CD is 8 secs I'm dispelling on CD, him.. "I had it more than 8 seconds" I just shook my head people are oblivious.
Kalysta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:40:52 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then the group gets to sit around for an hour waiting for another healer to join queue.
I donโt get these people , itโs like they donโt even try. When I tank I just put my healer on focus so I can see how heโs doing at a glance.
Dflowerz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:16:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the blame has to be Blizzard on this. It's such a random flip flop of whether a healer is going to have a limitless mana bar or one they need to watch carefully in between trash pulls. Changes every expansion, every patch sometimes.
I never understood this. I literally ask even if I see the bar full just incase before/after boss. I even all caps before we start. HEALER USE ALL CAPS IF YOU NEED MANA TO MAKE SURE I SEE PLEASE.
Erisique ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:17:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People got used to not having to wait for healer in legion, where only few healing classes had a problem with mana. Nowadays have mana problems all healers (even more while doing content undergeared) and mainly tanks canโt figure it out how to play around this game mechanic.
Scintile ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:29:35 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its perfect because it will be translated into other languages. Played with spanish folks the other day who literally didnt understand me when i asked to stop so i can drink
Un momento por favor. Necesita to tomar cerveza....i mean Mana.
Bwgmon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:34:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, a Bieber fan? /kick
Jwalla83 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:08:26 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Justin?
antarris ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:23:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Un momento. No tengo manรก. Necesito beber.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:58:50 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eu preciso beber. HEAUHEUAHEUHUHUHAEUHAEUHEA.
Jaba01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:21:18 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just drink between each pull and never go oom without taking a break.
sankto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's assuming tanks gives us enough time between pull to drink.
Jaba01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:12 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just a few seconds is enough. Combat doesn't end drinking at all. You just have to start it before the combat.
sankto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:14:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the only thing though. Not only you gotta drink, but you also have to run as fast as you can to save the tank with 15% hp left, half a kilometer away.
EDIT : And then drink again lol. Rinse and Repeat.
Jaba01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't 20 water from the vendor like 2g?
Yozo345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Healers are by far the most hydrated class type.
dsalter ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:06:47 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or hell, that line and another under it doing /oom so they see the thing, most i do /oom to dont even notice it
Shaanix ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 07:02:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup - time to remind everyone of the official MMO dungeoneering acronyms:
AFK: Attack! Fight! Kill!! - a healer typing this wants you to charge in OOM: Out Of Mobs - this means go pull more WTF?: Way To Fight! - the healer is applauding your tactical genius
Oh this just reminded me of something. Im german speaking and I was running with a german group, we where doing halls of valor. When we entered the area after the first boss, where you get in the big hall I would usually type LoS, as short for line of sight, indicating I want to draw the ranged mobs out of the hall and draw them together. Well after some failed attempts at that strat, even with different groups it dawned on me that I totally forgot Los means โgoโ in my native language.
Starting combat doesn't stop drinking, only taking damage does. So you only have to be out of combat for a half a second in order to drink to full. So I'll frequently start drinking while the tank pulls and wait until he's taken a solid chunk of damage before I jump in and start healing. It helps if I already have hits ticking. Something you learn quickly in M+ is keybind your water and mash the shit out of it as combat is ending. There is enough downtime in between pulls to drink quite a bit.
Also if you're a night elf you can Shadowmeld and drink while in combat if the tank is topped off.
All of this is good practice and doesn't cost you anything. Once you get to M+ you should also grab a stack of mana pots and chug them like candy.
People need to understand that it's not the tank's or dps' job to ask the healer to drink. The moment I leave combat, even if I'm at 75%, I drink. I guess it's just a habit that wore off on me during legion m+.
We're talking 5-10 seconds here. It really doesn't take long, especially since after a pull, unless it's a big one, they shouldn't have less than 50%.
As a healer, you should be on your way to the next pack before combat drops. It really isn't that difficult.
I'm pretty sure 99% of healers who complain about being oom all the time on reddit don't do this basic thing. In all the dungeons I've done so far in BFA, I've been oom like once or twice, and that was after a shitshow.
kissqt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:08:12 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, except after specific intense fight (like many adds, or intense healing boss / mistakes ) you should not need to Regen. I do understand that some people are not used to Regen between pack tho, but sometimes people are just stupid.
Pro tips, if you are scared people go when you are low Mana, leave them low at the end of the fight and top them after you drink ^
Another thing that helps is if you do need to say something, say it during combat. If you're paying attention to your mana you should know pretty early whether you're gonna run out pretty early in the fight. Just say "Need mana after this pull, pls break combat." I usually say it over discord but if you're with randoms you can just keybind a macro and hit it halfway through the fight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:16 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It seems there are people that consider a 3pack pull a shitshow because they have to actually do their job
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 10:33:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since water cost gold and im kinda tired of wasting a shit ton of them because the tank cant even let me drink the dam bottle... Now I stay down drinking and if the tank dies.. Dies.
Now you're just being cheap or making excuses to behave like a diva. Water is anything but expensive.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 12:00:11 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well... Lets be adults. I bought them. Doesnt matter if its cheap for you or for anyone. Its not for others to decide what I do with my bottles.
And no... These tanks are not going to decide if I drink it or not.
Its clearly me behaving like a diva while tanking blindly without spacial awareness at all.. This guys cant even look at a mini map neither at a healers mana and im the diva.
If you refuse to drink when you would have a chance to, and then go on & complain that you're oom, that is being a diva in my book. A good healer can make it so that the group almost never has to wait. I have been healing for years and mana has never been an issue in dungeons, I have no clue why this is suddenly /r/wow 's biggest problem
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:41:27 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt wrote anywhere that I refuse to drink.
I would love to finish mt drink. Thats what I said.
And about healing...
I have been healing since vanilla. Since using several ranks of the same heal. Yes Im that old.
Just because some people arent facing any problems... Maybe you guys got a good party.. A good guild.. A good anything.
Yes, some partys go easy as cake, others are a nightmare.
And you cant realize that many people are having problems healing because some people cant tank properly and dont have basic understanding of the job of a tank.
Neither dps using the skills blizzard give them... Stuff like a fking stun, a kick...something.
No.. Im not going to get up and stop my drinking because some guy that chose a character to play, in wich consists of protecting his companions, and doesnt do it.
No...he will die and I will finish my drink.
Congrats for being old, I am as well, but that's not really relevant. And no, I've been mostly in pugs, not guild runs. if you really are being such a diva in your groups, I understand that they kick you out.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:06:39 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are the diva here dude. This is mt last reply...
I didnt wrote i didnt drink.. I didnt wrote people kicked me.
You are strange and best healer in the world because blizzard queue you with best players ever.
Edited for a fu answer and your self entitled leetness
No.. Im not going to get up and stop my drinking because some guy that chose a character to play, in wich consists of protecting his companions, and doesnt do it. No...he will die and I will finish my drink.
read that again and tell me honestly that's not diva behavior... Or I 've been trolled
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:11:18 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You remember me those guys that stay with their opinions no matter what...
If you think when a person says enough is enough is beeb diva. I dont know.
Is really that hard to understand many people dont do their job? Like protect his team? Maybe even use their classes abilitys? Is that much to ask?
Do you really think everyone is playing exyraordinary good and if a healer goes oom its because of him?
Are you really saying all of this?
Again... No. Tanks learn to play. Im not fkg wasting my gold again because some dude doesnt know how to play.
People got spoiled this years of face melting dungeons. And amazes me that you cant realize it lol
๐ค You've admitted to being the cause of ๐คplayer deaths๐ค intentionally over trivial perceived slights. ๐ค It seems like you're one of those people who "don't do their job." ๐ค
I don't get this tbh, i'm playing disc, did all the mythics before friday, barely had to manabreak, even when we pulled 2-3 packs together. Most of the dmg in the dungeons are avoidable, as such i find myself not putting attonements on people in order to sins of the many.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:38:03 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I dont get is just because some people are having good partys with people stunning mobs, interrupting and avoiding unnecessary damage doesnt mean other healers are having the same luck.
How many times did I got a dumb ass party and looks like the healer is struggling... Its easy to look at the healer when people are completly clueless about what they have been doing in the dungeon.
It's okay to pull mobs as fast as the healer is comfortable with. E.g. it would take a long time if they wanted/needed to be at full health before every trash pack or dungeon boss! Especially if it is a group that doesn't take much avoidable damage, and/or a tank that has great self healing.
Orrly ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 05:34:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, โI JUST DISPELLED __________, ITโS NOW ON COOLDOWNโ on my holy paladin.
People who arenโt familiar with healing donโt realize we canโt chain dispel.
This. I usually position myself between my group and the next trash pack, and when the pull is over, start drinking immediately if I need to, and only start healing the next pull when either it's needed, or I have enough mana.
I'm leveling a Monk right now and exclusively heal in Dungeons. What's nice about Mistweaver is that you can get your heal over time spells going on the tank and a melee, sit to drink like a second before they enter combat, then rinse and repeat, so the group doesn't have to wait too long between pulls. I don't think I'm good enough yet to keep everyone alive on ~10% Mana though- your healer sounds like a pro!
elioz168 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:25 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pro healer n able to keep up. No deaths... Continue to chain pull . ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:06:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
over 50% you are good to go, unless it is one of those pulls with a lot of healers that aren't going to be interrupted or a tyrannical boss.
elioz168 ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 21:44:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some pro healer can deal with little mana some cant. So it's up to u to know hows ur healer like. If u chain pull and he cant keep up, pretty obvious gotta slow down a bit and curse u got that healer. Cant help u there.
This is what happens. When they make things slightly harder again, people forget things like healer mana, crowd control, and tank threat. We aren't back to the "wait for 3 sunders" days, but I like a happy middle ground.
dr_zex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:21:56 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're using weakauras, you can create an automatic warning in the chat when your mana is below a chosen threshold.
Kiirada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oo I like this. What would I search to find one that works like this?
dr_zex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I found what seems like a good base here. You have to adapt it a bit, I can provide you one once I'm home in a few hours.
Kiirada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:21 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I'd love a plug and play ability, I'm not super familiar with how WA works haha.
dr_zex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:40 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the string you can use to import the aura :
You can change the channel in which you'll say the sentence (and the sentence itself) under the "Actions" panel. I also enable a sound alert, you can disable in the same panel. Have fun pal !
snugzz ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then a hunter pulls a massive pack with misdirection and feign death....
In my last guild I set up a mana alert system through WA's and macros. I'd be able to press a button that sent a message to our tank or innervate battery that triggered a WA on their end that showed you were oom, with a innervate request if available.
Sure we could have communicated it over voice, but we wanted to keep comms clear.
Was just discussing this the other day with a friend. Can you link what you set up?
Rahnftw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:54 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's a pain in the ass but if you notice people not doing mechanics (which is causing them to take a lot more damage than they should, costing a lot of mana on extra heals), they sometimes just don't know them, so just explain.
It's honestly not that hard, and I haven't really had any hard mana issues with any groups that know what they're doing (though there is a couple harder fights I admit).
seva98 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:15:09 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As tank, I always use focus on healer and check his mana before pulling new group.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:03:40 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a tank, I always like to let my healer drink, and then still pull mobs. Part of my job as a tank knowing what level of damage I can tank without healing, so I pull and kite until they are ready.
I have something very similar! I donโt do โOOMโ because this implies I have none - but truthfully I like to stock up anytime halfway or under
I also have one for:
Slow down please
Please donโt move forward until everyone is at full health
Tank, youโre pulling too much
DPS, youโre pulling too much
STOP!!
Life of a Holy Priest :)
Lozlizor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I finally got around to deleting my macros like this from BC, and now I need them again
I stopped playing WoW in Cataclysm (I barely had time to play). I came back now. Everyone rushes dungeons, pulls 3 packs of mobs, ignore you when you ask for a mana break...
Wtf has happened to the WoW community?
Lozlizor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The game allowed people to play like that. Dungeons on N/H haven't felt like this since early cata, so people have no idea how to play them properly.
As a person who plays all roles here and there I find it sad when a tank doesn't have the capacity to simply view the healers Mana. When I'm tanking I literally check my healer mana with a quick click anytime a pull feels long or after a couple chain pulls. If they're below 50% I'll wait for them to drink.
What's funny is most of them don't expect me to stop so I have to type "it's okay, you can drink" before they realize they won't be blamed as I chain pull 5 more groups and a boss without consideration.
I don't think of myself as particularly benevolent or whatever either... But don't people want to NOT die? It's so easy to avoid this kind of dying. I don't understand the impatience.
Humans come with addons called common sense and eyeballs, combine them for it.
It's not too hard when you think about it. As a tank you can easily judge be duration of the fight combined with how spiky the damage to you was to realize that healer is either rock solid or oom. Addons for useful for many things, but why would anyone need assistant to something they can check by default from their frames?
I generally as a tank only check healers mana after first couple of pulls. It's very good indicator how well the healer is managing their resource and i don't have to pay attention to it afterwards.
Because Addons are there to make things easier and this would make things easier. Why would anyone need Weak Auras to track abilities, buffs, boss casts etc. when it's obviously shown in frames?
MS6Emew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What class is having mana issues healing? I'm coasting through heroics with 80-100% and Mythics i'm 40-60% on average for trash. It takes a mythic double pull for me to get close to oom <.<;
Are people actually running out of mana? Are holy priests really strong atm or is my character's mana renegn bugged as i don't remember the last time i was below 40% mana.
Xiuetsu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:00:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Run a quick slitherius on mythic and you'll understand. I ran it on mythic+ in beta and if I recall, every healer had a issue with running out of Mana.
Heroic or below there are no issues, it's just right now at the moment you have dps that don't avoid damage which causes us healers to have to struggle to keep them alive. Which in mythic, is not fun.
As i said ive ran every mythic. And as for mythic + thats what water ia for.
Xiuetsu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is indeed what water is for, however you can't drink it when in combat. I was doing mythic+15 runs in legion and had issues, even healers that are way better than I had issues with mythic+ slitherius in beta.
I havent had many problems as a Druid yet except when the group starts taking some really every damage and im trying to hot everyone and spam regrowth.
If you are chain pulling and there is decent damage happening you can start to get worn down on mana pretty quick.
Maldios ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:00:47 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its sad that this is getting downvoted. It really sais something about this subreddit.
Wait why am i getting down voted... i was asking a simple question :/.
kolix32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly depends on the tank. I ran out of mana as a disc priest because the pug tank kept pulling 3 or 4 groups in motherlode and as soon as 3 mobs died he ran and pulled more. He didnt use any mitigation cds and to keep him up I had to spam shadowmend and try to keep my shield up which literally fell off within seconds.
I said mana and he continued chain pulling like that. So it happens.
I did waycrest manor yesterday as a lvl 100 holy priest and didn't have any issues. Idk if its because the class is OP or if I just had a great tank. I was really nervous reading everything on here and nothing bad happened lol.
quanjon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:02 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't done any mythics yet but at 310+ ilvl now I've never gone OOM in a dungeon as Holy. Even sitting there spamming flash heal and prayer of healing I rarely go below 50%, and if I do then I'm typically back to full while we walk to the next pack. 100k mana 4000 regen.
trinde ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On a now 305 iLvl resto druid in mythic I rarely need to drink because I'm literally oom. Even with bad pulls at lower iLvl it was rare to get below 20%.
Druids have some advantages over other healers in that we can pre-hot and drink, however the mana is nowhere near as hard to manage as it was in early legion.
Your groups are standing in far less fire than mine.
I'm drinking probably 3-4 times per heroic at 326. I've yet to actually run out of mana but when one "oh shit" series of pulls takes me to ~50% and the next one could be just as hectic with less cooldowns available, that's generally when I ask the tank to hold up a sec.
trinde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the mythics I've done so far most actually dangerous shit that people stand in pretty much just kills them in a few seconds so even if you wanted to you can't waste much mana spam healing them.
Normal and Heroic pugs are way harder both on mana and in general than mythics with a decent group.
Jwalla83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I usually only drink about once per mythic on Resto - either an accidentally large pull or if we've chain-pulled up to the boss. Otherwise I feel fine running on 60% or so
Yeah I have no idea wtf these people are talking about, honestly not much to heal in most of the mythics. I spend more mana doting mobs than I do healing.
Average players don't know how to heal efficiently. They just play Whack-a-Mole with their Flash heal equivalent.
Also dealing damage is not a thing that crosses their minds. I have seen monks, shamans and holies so far outdps me when tanking a boss simply because they don't go afk when there is nothing to heal (which is basically 70% of the time during most bosses).
Yeah idk, I've healed a few heroics and a mythic under 300 ilvl (it's an alt) and I didn't drop below 70%. (Atal Dazar, Underrot, Motherlode, and Tol Dagor for Heroics and Tol Dagor for Mythic, if it matters)
No it's not a problem. I've done all the mythics this week with random pugs and I've never seen healers struggle with mana in all of those.
The people on here are just, on average, extremely bad. And as such people who actually know what they are doing gets downvoted because it differs from what the bad player sees through his own eyes.
I donโt run out of mana as a hpally buuuuut I hate when people pull ahead regardless. Or overpull.
Kiyuri ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:55:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Overpulling is a big problem that I've had recently. Tanks run in and pull whole rooms (sometimes plus a boss coughcough Waycrest Manor coughcough) thinking that dungeons work just like they did at the end of Legion.
Hell, I even had an instance yesterday where a warrior tank pulled a whole room + 3rd boss, died because I had run out of cooldowns to save him with, and then DC'd after the wipe. It was very clearly his first time in that dungeon, and I had managed to keep him up despite similarly outrageous pulls throughout the first half of the dungeon. I'm reminded of that old pandaren saying:
This is a big problem Cata had at the start. An expansion of really easy dungeons where you just chain pull and AOE leads to people just doing that. Cata had decently hard heroics and trash and people acted like ti was just another wrath dungeon and got mad when they died.
Novai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:12:05 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering if this was the case. Did a random heroic with one last night and he barely dropped below 90% mana.
It's going to take a week or two for people to get over their Legion ways.
Dave0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I presumed he was talking about the last boss. The 3rd boss just needs the tank to get the boss to slam 2/4 of the circle and the dps with the debuff to blow up the other 2/4. That way when he does he blow up shrooms bullshit you donโt die ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:19 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I made this exact macro back in Cataclysm when it first came out and the Heroics were brutal. I used it all the time.
Hey fellow tanks. You shall always put the heal in focalisation and consider that his mana bar is your third bar after rage/mana/whatever you use. Itโs what I do and itโs great.
If only all deeps had this weakaura somewhere in their screen they can actually pay attention, like on the middle of the screen, showing ONLY OUT OF COMBAT ...
Tamiko33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great until tanks just decide to ignore chat, pull, die, and blame you for not healing them. SMH
Dekayius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm.. as a Resto shm i haven't really ran into this problem :X
I never spam flash. I always do the longer cast one because itโs more mana efficient. I got booted from my first heroic the other day because the dk tank pulled as much as he could (think the entire area your eyes could see) in motherlode. He said I needed to do better but?? My spells have a gcd and youโre pulling like youโre raid geared at the end of legion. Relax.
Then ran heroic tol dagor immediately after and everything was fine. We had a nice pace, no over pulling, no wiping.
But yes, pally healers really donโt use their resource.
Nuiji ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:02:46 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ur not doin arcan rite
ikzme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go farm Magic truffles. They regen mana quicker as normal food.
Adg01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just use mana potions instead, stupid healer. Why would you drink when it takes so much time, and potions are instant? You're just greedy because they cost more. /s
I just donโt get this why is that every tank thinks it is a great idea to pull 2 or 3 packs in mythic and you struggle to keep them alive, popping all your cool downs and then proceed to do the same thing again like some how it didnโt cost anything to keep you alive. Donโt get me wrong I have had some good tanks that keep there pulls stable and we never wipe, shocking. I also feel people forget what is like to cc and interrupt. I watched as a hunter could not land his trap on a non moving target.
Well that is enough healer ranting but word of advice keep pulls small everyone is just starting to gear and they arenโt all mythic out, watch chat or healers mana and having a mob ccโd is ok if it means you die less.
ZataH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a tank, it boggles me even more when I see the healer on 30 % mana before a fight and he's the one wondering why I'm waiting to pull.. Then they all blame me anyway for being oom anyway.
Eregrith ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:09:09 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But how can people have so many mana problems? I main a Resto druid and I got 99 problems but mana ain't one -_-
Imagine being so bad at managing mana that you actually ran out of it.
Laeria ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 06:08:59 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I may get downvoted into oblivion but i do play a 332 disc/holy priest, did all mythic dungeons and i had absolutly 0 mana problems. i may had to dring up once / instance but that's about it.
What's up with all those mems these days? I honestly don't understand it since i feel the opposite with having too low mana costs?!
gundarin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:14:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Disc only priest at 336 here, same thing, literally the only boss I had mana problems with was mythic avatar of sethrallis.
You know you can't drink while in combat, right? If the tank is chain pulling then you're never out of combat. I say fuck it and let everyone die as a healer. If they kick me /shrug I have 1 min queues.
Wilibus ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:09:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've pretty adopted the same philosophy as a tank. It's kind of unnerving how many DPS take it upon themselves to set the pace of a dungeon by pulling packs.
You'd think they would be a little more responsible after waiting so long for a spot.
I didn't say it had to be the whole instance. If you chain pull 4 groups and the healer was oom at 3 then you're going to die.
Fuck is up with these bad attitude players. Healer asked to stop and your response is why aren't you drinking when you can. Fuck outta here with that bs.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:14:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can still maintain a good speed as long as you can manage the combat status. Usually what I do is run ahead of the group during the fight, start drinking the second combat status drops, and I'm back at a manageable mana level by the time anybody is even slightly damaged.
So yes as a mainspec healer who likes doing mythics, that is my response. I view the role of a healer as one that helps the other party members exceced their own limitations rather than one that limits the group by mine.
yes, literally this with micro drinking. all of these oppressed heroic dungeon healers overreacting
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How have you still not realized that this is exactly what the people in this thread are asking for? You cant micro drink when the tank is literally chain pulling. Chain pulling doesnt mean you dont take breaks between packs, it means you overlap the packs. Healers here complain about tanks that start pulling pack B before pack A is fully cleared. Theres probably some people that just dont drink quickly like you said, which is when I agree with you, but thats not always an option.
This only applies to high mythic keys where you are pressed for time and the team knows when to pull, what to pull, and which mobs the healer can drink on. Otherwise, if you want to live, let the healer drink.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:46:29 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:57:54 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You cant get any sips in if the tank pulls more before the previous pack is cleared. I do think that this issue should be much rarer than people in this thread make it out to be tho. These mana issues require both a chain-pulling tank and a group of dps that stand in fire and/or dont use their utility spells. Although I guess just one of these is enough if youre really undergeared.
Blizzard should set something up which keeps track of every time a player votes to kick a healer.
If your group's score exceeds a certain amount, bring in a DPS as the replacement for the healer who got kicked (who also has a few points worth of this). If idiot players want to pull more than the healer can handle, they don't have to run with a healer.
Maybe something like this for tanks as well.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 03:29:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not always the truth though. Iโve been in plenty of dungeons where everyone has died because of maybe being feared and they accidentally pulled, or maybe a mob got too close to what we were fighting and decided to join in. If you purposefully let your group die youโre the problem
You might be doing normals friend. As a holy paladin in mythics depending on how big the pull is I'm popping wings/aura mastery and my trinkets. I haven't had a pull once in a mythic where I wasnt sitting at 50% mana after it because of the insane amount of dps who dont kick and stun mobs. Not even including how some dungeons have a ridiculous amount of poisons or magic dots that tick for 5k+ damage if not dispelled.
[deleted] ยท -99 points ยท Posted at 20:54:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Essem91 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:18:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Firstly your attitude is shitty. Not sure why simply being a tank gives you such a superiority complex. Ignoring that, you do you but if everyone dies because the healer didn't have enough mana, you're the problem. And no you can't come back with "well then the healer sucks." No. If you expect to start a fight at full health then you wait until the healer is comfortable.
It's frankly ridiculous that this even has to been said. That's been the consenses for over a decade. Don't be a twat.
[deleted] ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 21:23:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Essem91 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:25:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't once say I had a problem keeping up. I also didn't even say I play a healer. Your assumptions of my capability are as misiformed as your tanking philosophy.
[deleted] ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 21:29:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Essem91 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:30:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am a healer. Again...I didn't say one way or the other. But you're too busy being toxic to be objective.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:38:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really not see why you are being perceived by others as an asshole?
Nekus01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:55:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol toxic.
Yes. That is what you are being, "kiddo".
You said you don't have a healer or a tank and this your opinion is nothing cause you're clueless
He literally said he's a healer. Read every once in a while, it helps.
This spamming in chat means thereโs a problem that isnโt the tanks fault.
Yes the fuck there is. If the tank pulls when the healer doesn't have mana and says such but the tank pulls anyway, it IS the tank's fault. Unless it's an asshat DPS, in which case it would be the dps' fault.
Please don't tank again. Stick to your good ol' rogue. I assure you it will benefit many people in the long run.
The benefit being they don't queue with you as a tank.
Essem91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude deleted all his posts. I actually looked at his comment history earlier because I'm petty. It was all similar shit throughout this sub. What a hateful little asshole.
DatGuy45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have very tiny epeen. Must make up for it by being big strong tank.
DrChym ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, if that's what you'd prefer, even better.
konahaku ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:22:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be slower for you if we wipe. I wait my 4min in queue and bring my own food. You can wait half the amount of time it takes to run back and let me get mana. Give your ire to the dps that don't bother interrupting or moving out of shit, we should be on the same side here.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:24:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jkaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is not about least efficient heals it about most hps...
But I will let bad dps and bad tanks die.
You set the pace I decide who lives ๐
konahaku ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do try this when I'm feeling pretty done with the dps but they genuinely don't seem to get that they're failing at mechanics and that's why they're dying so they just initiate a vote kick. ๐คท
Hahhaha watch out guys mr badass over here. Enjoy your lfr mate! Link us your armoury lets see where this elitist attitude comes from. Tank is by far the easiest role in the game so you must be doing mythic raids right??
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DivinumX ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 01:38:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My healer friend was kicked from a group for the reason "not healing" when the tank pulled and he had 4% mana. This is important.
KariRaiha ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 06:09:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was kicked from a random heroic for not dispelling a Disease. They accused me of being afk and not doing my job. Since I am a resto shaman I then posted my Purify Spirit spell for them to read that I can only dispell Magic effects and Curses. I was kicked shortly after that.
Balticataz ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 06:32:28 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Under rot boss? That boss is intense even when you can dispel diseases.
KariRaiha ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:41:27 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
worse than that it was some disease that came from trash mobs which could be kicked, but the tank pulled an ass full of mobs and my kick has a 12 seconds cooldown so I can't kick 3-4 mobs casting this crap
MyotositJabbit ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:10:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lmao so it comes full circle, where it turns out the DPS and tank weren't doing THEIR job. Healer should literally be the last to have to interrupt- or even better, shouldn't have to interrupt at all.
ExusDius ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 09:02:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most healers donโt have an interrupt. I believe the only one that does still is Shaman.
philbegger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:14 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy priest has a stun with chastise that works as an interrupt. Long cooldown though.
corvak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:25 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Our healers used to do them because we were on average geared enough that they got bored in late Legion
philbegger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:19 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still using it now just for the stun as it prevents damage for a few seconds. Most efficient "heal" in my toolkit.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 09:27:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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forbjok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:28 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Resto Druid doesn't have an interrupt as far as I know.
VicLasagne ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:29:20 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can use typhoon (?) or bash (?) (been druid for 3 expacs now and still donโt know the names oops) but typhoon has the possibility of pulling trash if you arenโt careful and some tanks arenโt happy when you scatter the pack and bash isnโt useable on all mobs. Plus neither of them silence the target. So technically we do buy itโs really unreliable
forbjok ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:00:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, they can sort of be used to interrupt, but as you point out the downsides make them nearly useless for a healer in PvE. Mighty Bash would be a good choice for the melee specs, but as a healer or ranged, it's impractical.
synchrxny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:03 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a MW and am constantly using Leg Sweep and Ring of Peace because DPS don't interrupt anything. Sorry, tank, I don't care if you're mad about shit getting moved around when I'm being forced to stop healing to be our only interrupt.
edit: grammar is hard
philbegger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:35:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm playing holy priest and this happens all the time. Tank is pulling too many mobs at once that need interrupts, DPS is not interrupting anything, I'm struggling to keep up with dispels and keep health up while dodging interruptible uber spells.
corvak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve only ever had Dps interrupts work in guild groups where we have voice chat. In pugs what usually happens is every DPS hits the first one because DBM yells about it.
philbegger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:49 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. The strategy I kind of use, and what I think kinda makes sense in PUGs without communication, is to randomly pick a percentage in my head and whenever an interruptible cast reaches that percentage to interrupt it. If the chosen percentages are random enough it should avoid stepping on each other.
MyotositJabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I play dps or tank I interrupt at the last possible moment, unless it's a dangerous channel, in which case I interrupt asap since we could be dead if I leave it towards the end
Photovoltaic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I were doing underrot with a resto shaman and THANK GOD we could coordinate our kicks because there were way too many of those fuckers with our tank deciding it was time to monster pull.
Gouge, between the eyes, vanish cheapshot and blind all had to be used as well. What a shitshow.
Jmrwacko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:19 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that stacking dot is brutal, you canโt mass pull without disease cleanse.
Dave0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:30:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre not supposed to dispel it. I can mass dispel so might do on mythic if the damage is high.
Occasionally take it off the tank if theyโre having a bad time. Stack up on tank and use gold circle to dispel everyone
TemporaMoras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:59 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he's talking about a disease it must be the 3rd boss that give you a stacking debuff if you walk in the mushroom/make them explode.
That's why I love being a warlock and casually taking 5 stack while drain lifing to not lose any hp and help the healer tremendously.
MildStallion ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:14:15 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's supposed to happen is that the tank gets the boss real close to, and facing the mushrooms so the cleave takes some of 'em out, then the off-threat explosion is used by the DPS to take most of the rest, then if there are any left the tank/dps soak 1-2 each.
What actually happens is the tank and dps does nothing and the mistweaver (me) runs around popping 5-6 at a time then cleansing themselves on one set, and blowing revival to mass cleanse the instant they all pop on another set, then seeing the boss fall about 1s before they do a third that would force the wipe. Something literally only mistweaver can do right now. But hey, at least the boss didn't give me any loot.
#NotSalty
TemporaMoras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know what's supposed to happen, except you can't expect people know what to do perfectly that early in the xpac (and even more in hc/mythic running with pub)
CAWWW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:32:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heroic I understand, but in my opinion the moment you step into a mythic you should at least read the dungeon journal or ask if you are unsure. Its not unreasonable at all to expect people doing the (current) cutting edge stuff to at least try a little bit since presumably those same people are going to want to do M+ where these mistakes will kill everyone.
TemporaMoras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree with you, but you shouldn't expect pugs to not be total trash at the game.
Lupinefiasco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:05 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My "hardcore casual" analysis of that dungeon is that everything that can be stepped on, must be stepped on. In explaining this to my guildmates that ran it later in the week, I forgot that there is, in fact, a first boss, because the first boss is so faceroll easy compared to the "I hope you weren't planning to DPS during Tantrum" second boss, the "thank goodness Ret has access to Cleanse" third boss, and the "DPS might as well not even be here" fourth boss.
My guild's tank tried to tell me that Temple was rated the hardest m+0 because some DPS don't stand in the energy beams. Personally I think that the last boss of Shrine should get a shoutout for the adds that require an interrupt rotation and purple aoe you need to spot on a purple background, but I still think Underrot wins the "most frustratingly difficult" award.
I also didn't get the 2h axe I wanted off the third boss, so maybe I'm just salty.
Dimplebean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:57 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this me? When did I write this? I can't even remember now.
Jaba01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, it's really simple if you play the mechanics. Nobody in random heroics cares about them though.
wlfman5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*laughs in Revival*
Amyncloud ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:52:30 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think both game and players forget that they put dispell on a 8 sec CD too, was on the last boss in siege of boralus and it puts 2 debuffs out at once that need to be dispelled, it does damage to those who are close to the target who has it and knocks them back also.
Anyways after a wipe due to us not realising the order in which to kill tentacles, a dps said "You do know you're supposed to dispell" well me after dispelling on CD being knocked about by him as he was running on me with the debuff etc... I just calmly said it puts out 2 debuffs at once and my CD is 8 secs I'm dispelling on CD, him.. "I had it more than 8 seconds" I just shook my head people are oblivious.
Kalysta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:40:52 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then the group gets to sit around for an hour waiting for another healer to join queue.
They did you a favor.
staticxrjc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same on my shaman, dps crying for me to dispel and it's a disease.
SlayerJB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, for like 10 years Resto Shamans could cure Diseases then Blizzard took it away.
Sir_Pillows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:11 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exact same thing happened to me doing my first healing dungeon ever on Resto shaman.
Dyn0dane666 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:56:14 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt get these people , itโs like they donโt even try. When I tank I just put my healer on focus so I can see how heโs doing at a glance.
Dflowerz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:16:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the blame has to be Blizzard on this. It's such a random flip flop of whether a healer is going to have a limitless mana bar or one they need to watch carefully in between trash pulls. Changes every expansion, every patch sometimes.
BushdoctorTR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:42:32 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thanks for this **
Dr_Ambiorix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:40 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This,
I've been tanking ever since I played end-game in wow. And I've always felt like the tank and healer got eachothers back.
I don't even think many people know what /focus is I even have a mouse over macro for it.
MuscleFlex_Bear ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:25:06 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood this. I literally ask even if I see the bar full just incase before/after boss. I even all caps before we start. HEALER USE ALL CAPS IF YOU NEED MANA TO MAKE SURE I SEE PLEASE.
bertiebigbawspaw ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:14:54 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pff 4% is a bountiful sea
Erisique ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:17:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People got used to not having to wait for healer in legion, where only few healing classes had a problem with mana. Nowadays have mana problems all healers (even more while doing content undergeared) and mainly tanks canโt figure it out how to play around this game mechanic.
RingGiver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:48:18 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least they came up with a better reason than "that priest should stop DPSing and heal."
I've had a Disc priest alt for a while and I am not happy about how random groups treat healers at all.
Dflowerz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:12 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it weird how toxic people can be about game mechanics when they aren't even clued in on how Disc Priests work?
DisForDairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:13 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
is your friend sitting and drinking between pulls?
StopEnjoyingThings ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 20:57:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally /oom.
Scintile ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:29:35 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its perfect because it will be translated into other languages. Played with spanish folks the other day who literally didnt understand me when i asked to stop so i can drink
Reidanlol ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 02:08:15 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
por favor agua?
jhar23 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:55:28 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beber
MuscleFlex_Bear ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:23:47 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Un momento por favor. Necesita to tomar cerveza....i mean Mana.
Bwgmon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:34:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, a Bieber fan? /kick
Jwalla83 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:08:26 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Justin?
antarris ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:23:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Un momento. No tengo manรก. Necesito beber.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:58:50 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eu preciso beber. HEAUHEUAHEUHUHUHAEUHAEUHEA.
Jaba01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:21:18 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just drink between each pull and never go oom without taking a break.
sankto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's assuming tanks gives us enough time between pull to drink.
Jaba01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:12 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just a few seconds is enough. Combat doesn't end drinking at all. You just have to start it before the combat.
sankto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:14:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the only thing though. Not only you gotta drink, but you also have to run as fast as you can to save the tank with 15% hp left, half a kilometer away.
EDIT : And then drink again lol. Rinse and Repeat.
staticxrjc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and burn through all that food.
Jaba01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't 20 water from the vendor like 2g?
Yozo345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Healers are by far the most hydrated class type.
dsalter ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:06:47 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or hell, that line and another under it doing /oom so they see the thing, most i do /oom to dont even notice it
Shaanix ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 07:02:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup - time to remind everyone of the official MMO dungeoneering acronyms:
AFK: Attack! Fight! Kill!! - a healer typing this wants you to charge in
OOM: Out Of Mobs - this means go pull more
WTF?: Way To Fight! - the healer is applauding your tactical genius
Nathair98 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 10:53:52 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh this just reminded me of something. Im german speaking and I was running with a german group, we where doing halls of valor. When we entered the area after the first boss, where you get in the big hall I would usually type LoS, as short for line of sight, indicating I want to draw the ranged mobs out of the hall and draw them together. Well after some failed attempts at that strat, even with different groups it dawned on me that I totally forgot Los means โgoโ in my native language.
I felt really stupid afterwards.
philbegger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:36:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh this is so good lol
SnapDraco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:54 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Rmf16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot BTH: Blame the hunter - anytime someone dies or something goes wrong, it mustโve been the hunter.
qnull ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:27:34 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In every mythic I've done the healer has always told me to go at 50% mana. It makes me nervous.
They do stop and eat/drink quite frequently though so I guess they know what they're doing.
PG-13_Woodhouse ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 08:11:31 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Starting combat doesn't stop drinking, only taking damage does. So you only have to be out of combat for a half a second in order to drink to full. So I'll frequently start drinking while the tank pulls and wait until he's taken a solid chunk of damage before I jump in and start healing. It helps if I already have hits ticking. Something you learn quickly in M+ is keybind your water and mash the shit out of it as combat is ending. There is enough downtime in between pulls to drink quite a bit.
Also if you're a night elf you can Shadowmeld and drink while in combat if the tank is topped off.
All of this is good practice and doesn't cost you anything. Once you get to M+ you should also grab a stack of mana pots and chug them like candy.
crazyfish9 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 08:55:26 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finally a healer who knows what to do!
People need to understand that it's not the tank's or dps' job to ask the healer to drink. The moment I leave combat, even if I'm at 75%, I drink. I guess it's just a habit that wore off on me during legion m+.
We're talking 5-10 seconds here. It really doesn't take long, especially since after a pull, unless it's a big one, they shouldn't have less than 50%.
As a healer, you should be on your way to the next pack before combat drops. It really isn't that difficult.
le-tendon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:51:59 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure 99% of healers who complain about being oom all the time on reddit don't do this basic thing. In all the dungeons I've done so far in BFA, I've been oom like once or twice, and that was after a shitshow.
kissqt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:08:12 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, except after specific intense fight (like many adds, or intense healing boss / mistakes ) you should not need to Regen. I do understand that some people are not used to Regen between pack tho, but sometimes people are just stupid.
Pro tips, if you are scared people go when you are low Mana, leave them low at the end of the fight and top them after you drink ^
PG-13_Woodhouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:53 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another thing that helps is if you do need to say something, say it during combat. If you're paying attention to your mana you should know pretty early whether you're gonna run out pretty early in the fight. Just say "Need mana after this pull, pls break combat." I usually say it over discord but if you're with randoms you can just keybind a macro and hit it halfway through the fight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:16 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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le-tendon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:58:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know where you find your mates if every pull is always a shitshow
Despiteful91 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:23:23 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It seems there are people that consider a 3pack pull a shitshow because they have to actually do their job
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 10:33:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since water cost gold and im kinda tired of wasting a shit ton of them because the tank cant even let me drink the dam bottle... Now I stay down drinking and if the tank dies.. Dies.
le-tendon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:57:45 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now you're just being cheap or making excuses to behave like a diva. Water is anything but expensive.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 12:00:11 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well... Lets be adults. I bought them. Doesnt matter if its cheap for you or for anyone. Its not for others to decide what I do with my bottles. And no... These tanks are not going to decide if I drink it or not.
Its clearly me behaving like a diva while tanking blindly without spacial awareness at all.. This guys cant even look at a mini map neither at a healers mana and im the diva.
le-tendon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:05:10 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you refuse to drink when you would have a chance to, and then go on & complain that you're oom, that is being a diva in my book. A good healer can make it so that the group almost never has to wait. I have been healing for years and mana has never been an issue in dungeons, I have no clue why this is suddenly /r/wow 's biggest problem
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:41:27 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt wrote anywhere that I refuse to drink. I would love to finish mt drink. Thats what I said.
And about healing...
I have been healing since vanilla. Since using several ranks of the same heal. Yes Im that old.
Just because some people arent facing any problems... Maybe you guys got a good party.. A good guild.. A good anything.
Yes, some partys go easy as cake, others are a nightmare. And you cant realize that many people are having problems healing because some people cant tank properly and dont have basic understanding of the job of a tank. Neither dps using the skills blizzard give them... Stuff like a fking stun, a kick...something.
No.. Im not going to get up and stop my drinking because some guy that chose a character to play, in wich consists of protecting his companions, and doesnt do it. No...he will die and I will finish my drink.
Thanks.
le-tendon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:52:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats for being old, I am as well, but that's not really relevant. And no, I've been mostly in pugs, not guild runs. if you really are being such a diva in your groups, I understand that they kick you out.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:06:39 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are the diva here dude. This is mt last reply...
I didnt wrote i didnt drink.. I didnt wrote people kicked me. You are strange and best healer in the world because blizzard queue you with best players ever.
Edited for a fu answer and your self entitled leetness
le-tendon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:52:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
read that again and tell me honestly that's not diva behavior... Or I 've been trolled
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:11:18 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You remember me those guys that stay with their opinions no matter what...
If you think when a person says enough is enough is beeb diva. I dont know.
Is really that hard to understand many people dont do their job? Like protect his team? Maybe even use their classes abilitys? Is that much to ask? Do you really think everyone is playing exyraordinary good and if a healer goes oom its because of him?
Are you really saying all of this?
Again... No. Tanks learn to play. Im not fkg wasting my gold again because some dude doesnt know how to play.
People got spoiled this years of face melting dungeons. And amazes me that you cant realize it lol
NintendoVIVE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:15:38 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
๐ค You've admitted to being the cause of ๐คplayer deaths๐ค intentionally over trivial perceived slights. ๐ค It seems like you're one of those people who "don't do their job." ๐ค
le-tendon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:11 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let it go. That guy clearly needs a snickers
Mrpipelayar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:34 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mage water is free
Balticataz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:34:23 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
50% is about right. By the time the pull actually happens they will be 65+ and that should be plenty even if everything goes to shit.
Fungley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of this is why I love being a mage.
Take 100 damn cinnamon rolls, drink every pull, they're free!
Fernheijm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:53 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this tbh, i'm playing disc, did all the mythics before friday, barely had to manabreak, even when we pulled 2-3 packs together. Most of the dmg in the dungeons are avoidable, as such i find myself not putting attonements on people in order to sins of the many.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:38:03 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I dont get is just because some people are having good partys with people stunning mobs, interrupting and avoiding unnecessary damage doesnt mean other healers are having the same luck.
How many times did I got a dumb ass party and looks like the healer is struggling... Its easy to look at the healer when people are completly clueless about what they have been doing in the dungeon.
Titanspaladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay to pull mobs as fast as the healer is comfortable with. E.g. it would take a long time if they wanted/needed to be at full health before every trash pack or dungeon boss! Especially if it is a group that doesn't take much avoidable damage, and/or a tank that has great self healing.
Orrly ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 05:34:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, โI JUST DISPELLED __________, ITโS NOW ON COOLDOWNโ on my holy paladin.
People who arenโt familiar with healing donโt realize we canโt chain dispel.
ThatLexxyFellow ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:12:18 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Siege of Boralus intensifies
BashfulTurtle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:55:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Andddd this is why I went prot.
pseudonamehere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:50 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At this rate we might as well macro every spell we use to say something just so dps knows we are there.
elioz168 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 21:02:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's legit. Stop chain pulling when healer's mana less than optimal. They definitely will drink.
PolioKitty ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:37:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or at least stop pulling long enough for healers to start drinking then keep going.
MyotositJabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:56 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This. I usually position myself between my group and the next trash pack, and when the pull is over, start drinking immediately if I need to, and only start healing the next pull when either it's needed, or I have enough mana.
tokedalot ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:26:19 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't drink anymore, 2.5 years sober.
Jwhitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:53 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ODAATOOM
Alwaysafk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:06:23 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ran with a monk last night that kept spamming me to pull fast when he was at 10% mana. He kept me up though even though I pulled like crazy.
kaballion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:06 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm leveling a Monk right now and exclusively heal in Dungeons. What's nice about Mistweaver is that you can get your heal over time spells going on the tank and a melee, sit to drink like a second before they enter combat, then rinse and repeat, so the group doesn't have to wait too long between pulls. I don't think I'm good enough yet to keep everyone alive on ~10% Mana though- your healer sounds like a pro!
elioz168 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:25 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pro healer n able to keep up. No deaths... Continue to chain pull . ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:06:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
over 50% you are good to go, unless it is one of those pulls with a lot of healers that aren't going to be interrupted or a tyrannical boss.
elioz168 ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 21:44:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some pro healer can deal with little mana some cant. So it's up to u to know hows ur healer like. If u chain pull and he cant keep up, pretty obvious gotta slow down a bit and curse u got that healer. Cant help u there.
jacls0608 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:51:31 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about pro or not. Theres literally nothing a healer can do if the tank and dps stand in the bad and dont kick or completely ignore mechanics.
You cant brute force heal bad.
elioz168 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 01:01:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I know. I am replying do that he doesn't say what if healer is pro... its managing the mana resources with your heals n situation.
TehJohnny ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:41:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have been removed from the group.
Spriggz_z7z ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:12:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That spells doesnโt work on party members sadly.
AviasNelan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:21:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what happens. When they make things slightly harder again, people forget things like healer mana, crowd control, and tank threat. We aren't back to the "wait for 3 sunders" days, but I like a happy middle ground.
dr_zex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:21:56 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're using weakauras, you can create an automatic warning in the chat when your mana is below a chosen threshold.
Kiirada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oo I like this. What would I search to find one that works like this?
dr_zex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I found what seems like a good base here. You have to adapt it a bit, I can provide you one once I'm home in a few hours.
Kiirada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:21 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I'd love a plug and play ability, I'm not super familiar with how WA works haha.
dr_zex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:40 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the string you can use to import the aura :
duZwcaGleX2ef1CjsZMO6MsKBlvTtIyVu7g0(jPFIinmeQFRyOOk1GjXWLYbLGJHehgLfIG)Iklgv1YvAEiKEk0Yqu9CGZJKMQinzctx4qIkUfQsUSQRlPpjk0wrvSzjQTtu(ms9vrbttuIVlIrkkPXkkvJwcnErLoPOQZkkYPj19eLYJLkFdH41ikBko1yVrHrHtnk0GMCg10NBy0ySAA6Vo1yfCU2K818nwbNRc1HjySnjFdQTBjeBScoxBs(guB3emguB3iiyrfyScVSddJSAmg5xlxglojKcnckojKcl0fAz34LDyyK3tYxJvW5AF7omAtYxtWyfCogFWS8lnIBcgBF7omAtYxJui2y7B3HrBs(YnTVSywJenBomUNwpWuQTBmEUHrwxOL90vtt)T0iULWlkeBK1f6bcCQrqW2WPg7paWOVX8zSxvzQHQYuwvPNbzQk5OQKxvb(luvyQkIvdjtvjhJIHdmvOWem2FaGrFUGA7gXczYOy46paWOVjyemvOWyEy8TmR7slieKcbsZWzKvOUmG0sxOzsXPcfaPe0K9SolKKHM2HdJAHXEgKPQef3dkoYfg1W4lKjNNVa9aTKmBKje6qpqMCUy100Fbo1HXQwyKpp55r(KKDSermQH6GdeSnUWsO4WiWi5Kqesi3OmlHswiNIdBa
You can change the channel in which you'll say the sentence (and the sentence itself) under the "Actions" panel. I also enable a sound alert, you can disable in the same panel. Have fun pal !
snugzz ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then a hunter pulls a massive pack with misdirection and feign death....
Happens all the fucking time.
ITellSadTruth ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:56:46 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Should have played around that. ohwaitwronggame
Cow_God ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:20:00 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You play around it by backing up, not healing, not taking threat. Res the tank and the other dps and progress while the hunter is walking back
Balticataz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:35:28 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pull a massive pack with halo and fade. WHAT NOW HUNTERS!?
Neevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:59 on August 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, Halo is the new barrage.
Rmf16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When? Literally when has this happened since like BC?
snugzz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All the time...
Rmf16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah
lostdoormat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:53:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my last guild I set up a mana alert system through WA's and macros. I'd be able to press a button that sent a message to our tank or innervate battery that triggered a WA on their end that showed you were oom, with a innervate request if available. Sure we could have communicated it over voice, but we wanted to keep comms clear.
randomkido ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was just discussing this the other day with a friend. Can you link what you set up?
Rahnftw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:54 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's a pain in the ass but if you notice people not doing mechanics (which is causing them to take a lot more damage than they should, costing a lot of mana on extra heals), they sometimes just don't know them, so just explain.
It's honestly not that hard, and I haven't really had any hard mana issues with any groups that know what they're doing (though there is a couple harder fights I admit).
seva98 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:15:09 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As tank, I always use focus on healer and check his mana before pulling new group.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:03:40 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a tank, I always like to let my healer drink, and then still pull mobs. Part of my job as a tank knowing what level of damage I can tank without healing, so I pull and kite until they are ready.
Best of both worlds.
serventofgaben ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:35 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.take-a-screenshot.org/
mainecoonpriest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:57 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have something very similar! I donโt do โOOMโ because this implies I have none - but truthfully I like to stock up anytime halfway or under
I also have one for: Slow down please Please donโt move forward until everyone is at full health Tank, youโre pulling too much DPS, youโre pulling too much STOP!!
Life of a Holy Priest :)
Lozlizor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I finally got around to deleting my macros like this from BC, and now I need them again
Orobarsa3008 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:54:43 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped playing WoW in Cataclysm (I barely had time to play). I came back now. Everyone rushes dungeons, pulls 3 packs of mobs, ignore you when you ask for a mana break...
Wtf has happened to the WoW community?
Lozlizor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The game allowed people to play like that. Dungeons on N/H haven't felt like this since early cata, so people have no idea how to play them properly.
tadow_bee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:45:13 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like this every expansion
3 weeks from now you'll get grinding those dungeons like nothing
Greenhairedone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:04:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a person who plays all roles here and there I find it sad when a tank doesn't have the capacity to simply view the healers Mana. When I'm tanking I literally check my healer mana with a quick click anytime a pull feels long or after a couple chain pulls. If they're below 50% I'll wait for them to drink.
What's funny is most of them don't expect me to stop so I have to type "it's okay, you can drink" before they realize they won't be blamed as I chain pull 5 more groups and a boss without consideration.
I don't think of myself as particularly benevolent or whatever either... But don't people want to NOT die? It's so easy to avoid this kind of dying. I don't understand the impatience.
Alwaysafk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:35 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there an addon that tracks healer mana? Like makes the edges of the screen flash blue or something.
Kuraloordi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:12:39 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Humans come with addons called common sense and eyeballs, combine them for it.
It's not too hard when you think about it. As a tank you can easily judge be duration of the fight combined with how spiky the damage to you was to realize that healer is either rock solid or oom. Addons for useful for many things, but why would anyone need assistant to something they can check by default from their frames?
I generally as a tank only check healers mana after first couple of pulls. It's very good indicator how well the healer is managing their resource and i don't have to pay attention to it afterwards.
Alwaysafk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Addons are there to make things easier and this would make things easier. Why would anyone need Weak Auras to track abilities, buffs, boss casts etc. when it's obviously shown in frames?
MS6Emew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What class is having mana issues healing? I'm coasting through heroics with 80-100% and Mythics i'm 40-60% on average for trash. It takes a mythic double pull for me to get close to oom <.<;
HumanMunchlax ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:09:29 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are people actually running out of mana? Are holy priests really strong atm or is my character's mana renegn bugged as i don't remember the last time i was below 40% mana.
Xiuetsu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:00:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Run a quick slitherius on mythic and you'll understand. I ran it on mythic+ in beta and if I recall, every healer had a issue with running out of Mana.
Heroic or below there are no issues, it's just right now at the moment you have dps that don't avoid damage which causes us healers to have to struggle to keep them alive. Which in mythic, is not fun.
HumanMunchlax ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 06:16:38 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As i said ive ran every mythic. And as for mythic + thats what water ia for.
Xiuetsu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is indeed what water is for, however you can't drink it when in combat. I was doing mythic+15 runs in legion and had issues, even healers that are way better than I had issues with mythic+ slitherius in beta.
I take it they were doing it wrong ?
LifeForcer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:47 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I havent had many problems as a Druid yet except when the group starts taking some really every damage and im trying to hot everyone and spam regrowth.
If you are chain pulling and there is decent damage happening you can start to get worn down on mana pretty quick.
Maldios ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:00:47 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its sad that this is getting downvoted. It really sais something about this subreddit.
ImTheAssGrassManPunk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:45:21 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We live in a subreddit
Pwnage_Peanut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:46 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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HumanMunchlax ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait why am i getting down voted... i was asking a simple question :/.
kolix32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly depends on the tank. I ran out of mana as a disc priest because the pug tank kept pulling 3 or 4 groups in motherlode and as soon as 3 mobs died he ran and pulled more. He didnt use any mitigation cds and to keep him up I had to spam shadowmend and try to keep my shield up which literally fell off within seconds. I said mana and he continued chain pulling like that. So it happens.
dpistachio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:15 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did waycrest manor yesterday as a lvl 100 holy priest and didn't have any issues. Idk if its because the class is OP or if I just had a great tank. I was really nervous reading everything on here and nothing bad happened lol.
quanjon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:02 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't done any mythics yet but at 310+ ilvl now I've never gone OOM in a dungeon as Holy. Even sitting there spamming flash heal and prayer of healing I rarely go below 50%, and if I do then I'm typically back to full while we walk to the next pack. 100k mana 4000 regen.
trinde ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On a now 305 iLvl resto druid in mythic I rarely need to drink because I'm literally oom. Even with bad pulls at lower iLvl it was rare to get below 20%.
Druids have some advantages over other healers in that we can pre-hot and drink, however the mana is nowhere near as hard to manage as it was in early legion.
MaritMonkey ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:20:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your groups are standing in far less fire than mine.
I'm drinking probably 3-4 times per heroic at 326. I've yet to actually run out of mana but when one "oh shit" series of pulls takes me to ~50% and the next one could be just as hectic with less cooldowns available, that's generally when I ask the tank to hold up a sec.
trinde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the mythics I've done so far most actually dangerous shit that people stand in pretty much just kills them in a few seconds so even if you wanted to you can't waste much mana spam healing them.
Normal and Heroic pugs are way harder both on mana and in general than mythics with a decent group.
Jwalla83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:04 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I usually only drink about once per mythic on Resto - either an accidentally large pull or if we've chain-pulled up to the boss. Otherwise I feel fine running on 60% or so
MaritMonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:15:55 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the answer is that you can't stand in so much bad in mythic because it will straight up kill you more often than not.
Which is actually making me a lot less nervous about making the jump to mythics tomorrow. :)
pleinair93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:38 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I have no idea wtf these people are talking about, honestly not much to heal in most of the mythics. I spend more mana doting mobs than I do healing.
Butteatingsnake ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Average players don't know how to heal efficiently. They just play Whack-a-Mole with their Flash heal equivalent.
Also dealing damage is not a thing that crosses their minds. I have seen monks, shamans and holies so far outdps me when tanking a boss simply because they don't go afk when there is nothing to heal (which is basically 70% of the time during most bosses).
nullKomplex ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah idk, I've healed a few heroics and a mythic under 300 ilvl (it's an alt) and I didn't drop below 70%. (Atal Dazar, Underrot, Motherlode, and Tol Dagor for Heroics and Tol Dagor for Mythic, if it matters)
Synthetsofetherlords ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:00:14 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not a problem. I've done all the mythics this week with random pugs and I've never seen healers struggle with mana in all of those.
The people on here are just, on average, extremely bad. And as such people who actually know what they are doing gets downvoted because it differs from what the bad player sees through his own eyes.
vvonneguts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:57 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt run out of mana as a hpally buuuuut I hate when people pull ahead regardless. Or overpull.
Kiyuri ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:55:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Overpulling is a big problem that I've had recently. Tanks run in and pull whole rooms (sometimes plus a boss coughcough Waycrest Manor coughcough) thinking that dungeons work just like they did at the end of Legion.
Hell, I even had an instance yesterday where a warrior tank pulled a whole room + 3rd boss, died because I had run out of cooldowns to save him with, and then DC'd after the wipe. It was very clearly his first time in that dungeon, and I had managed to keep him up despite similarly outrageous pulls throughout the first half of the dungeon. I'm reminded of that old pandaren saying:
LifeForcer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:57:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a big problem Cata had at the start. An expansion of really easy dungeons where you just chain pull and AOE leads to people just doing that. Cata had decently hard heroics and trash and people acted like ti was just another wrath dungeon and got mad when they died.
Novai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:12:05 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering if this was the case. Did a random heroic with one last night and he barely dropped below 90% mana.
Varientstipulations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only time management is a problem is when we spam Flash. But even now you can just spam LoM if your health is high enough now
LurkingHare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:38 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gogog ffs faster!!!1
Despiteful91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:16 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always challenge my healer to reach his maximum capacity, i only do this with the ones i have in voicechat though.
hopsandhorns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:56 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to take a week or two for people to get over their Legion ways.
Dave0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I presumed he was talking about the last boss. The 3rd boss just needs the tank to get the boss to slam 2/4 of the circle and the dps with the debuff to blow up the other 2/4. That way when he does he blow up shrooms bullshit you donโt die ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:19 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I made this exact macro back in Cataclysm when it first came out and the Heroics were brutal. I used it all the time.
Rachitiqueboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:34 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey fellow tanks. You shall always put the heal in focalisation and consider that his mana bar is your third bar after rage/mana/whatever you use. Itโs what I do and itโs great.
Despiteful91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:17:52 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you dont have to use healing cds/tank cds on trash packs you dont pull enough.
Jaba01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:02 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just drink when they're pulling?
Moses385 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:02 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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mateusoassis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only all deeps had this weakaura somewhere in their screen they can actually pay attention, like on the middle of the screen, showing ONLY OUT OF COMBAT ...
Tamiko33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great until tanks just decide to ignore chat, pull, die, and blame you for not healing them. SMH
Dekayius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:37 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm.. as a Resto shm i haven't really ran into this problem :X
vvonneguts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:29 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never spam flash. I always do the longer cast one because itโs more mana efficient. I got booted from my first heroic the other day because the dk tank pulled as much as he could (think the entire area your eyes could see) in motherlode. He said I needed to do better but?? My spells have a gcd and youโre pulling like youโre raid geared at the end of legion. Relax.
Then ran heroic tol dagor immediately after and everything was fine. We had a nice pace, no over pulling, no wiping.
But yes, pally healers really donโt use their resource.
GoatOfTheBlackForres ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:55 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is probably the least mana demanding launch we have had.
colidog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:54 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
laughs in disc priest
MichaelJCaboose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:19 on August 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait you can just /I?
Literally 13 years
Zarkon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go, /u/DonPaco96
I found this for you. Please use it in the future.
Conatus78 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:19 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's an essential arcane mage spell too.
Nuiji ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:02:46 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ur not doin arcan rite
ikzme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go farm Magic truffles. They regen mana quicker as normal food.
Adg01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just use mana potions instead, stupid healer. Why would you drink when it takes so much time, and potions are instant? You're just greedy because they cost more. /s
RedTheRobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:27 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just donโt get this why is that every tank thinks it is a great idea to pull 2 or 3 packs in mythic and you struggle to keep them alive, popping all your cool downs and then proceed to do the same thing again like some how it didnโt cost anything to keep you alive. Donโt get me wrong I have had some good tanks that keep there pulls stable and we never wipe, shocking. I also feel people forget what is like to cc and interrupt. I watched as a hunter could not land his trap on a non moving target.
Well that is enough healer ranting but word of advice keep pulls small everyone is just starting to gear and they arenโt all mythic out, watch chat or healers mana and having a mob ccโd is ok if it means you die less.
ZataH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Print screen broken?
Playturbo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:24:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a tank, it boggles me even more when I see the healer on 30 % mana before a fight and he's the one wondering why I'm waiting to pull.. Then they all blame me anyway for being oom anyway.
Eregrith ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:09:09 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But how can people have so many mana problems? I main a Resto druid and I got 99 problems but mana ain't one -_-
NintendoVIVE ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being so bad at managing mana that you actually ran out of it.
Laeria ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 06:08:59 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I may get downvoted into oblivion but i do play a 332 disc/holy priest, did all mythic dungeons and i had absolutly 0 mana problems. i may had to dring up once / instance but that's about it. What's up with all those mems these days? I honestly don't understand it since i feel the opposite with having too low mana costs?!
gundarin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:14:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Disc only priest at 336 here, same thing, literally the only boss I had mana problems with was mythic avatar of sethrallis.
DennisDoyle ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 20:59:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
drink whenever you can it's not hard
Synedrex1295 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 22:11:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Use defensive CDs whenever you can. It's not that hard.
beinlausi-us ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:54:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know you can't drink while in combat, right? If the tank is chain pulling then you're never out of combat. I say fuck it and let everyone die as a healer. If they kick me /shrug I have 1 min queues.
Wilibus ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:09:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've pretty adopted the same philosophy as a tank. It's kind of unnerving how many DPS take it upon themselves to set the pace of a dungeon by pulling packs.
You'd think they would be a little more responsible after waiting so long for a spot.
ChalkLitMilk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, being spiteful in group content is clearly not the answer.
Xiuetsu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One minute ? Please, it's a 30 second queue time :)
DennisDoyle ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 21:59:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
chain pulling literally the entire instance? ya no. you're supposed to drink whenever you can
beinlausi-us ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:01:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say it had to be the whole instance. If you chain pull 4 groups and the healer was oom at 3 then you're going to die.
Fuck is up with these bad attitude players. Healer asked to stop and your response is why aren't you drinking when you can. Fuck outta here with that bs.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:14:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can still maintain a good speed as long as you can manage the combat status. Usually what I do is run ahead of the group during the fight, start drinking the second combat status drops, and I'm back at a manageable mana level by the time anybody is even slightly damaged.
So yes as a mainspec healer who likes doing mythics, that is my response. I view the role of a healer as one that helps the other party members exceced their own limitations rather than one that limits the group by mine.
morelikemajorjayn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:24:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's referring to literal chain pulling. In my last group, the tank would drag the last mob or two of one pack to the next pack.
MaritMonkey ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:22:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason you're missing the fact that all we're asking for is to let combat status drop so we can do this.
DennisDoyle ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 02:08:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yes, literally this with micro drinking. all of these oppressed heroic dungeon healers overreacting
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How have you still not realized that this is exactly what the people in this thread are asking for? You cant micro drink when the tank is literally chain pulling. Chain pulling doesnt mean you dont take breaks between packs, it means you overlap the packs. Healers here complain about tanks that start pulling pack B before pack A is fully cleared. Theres probably some people that just dont drink quickly like you said, which is when I agree with you, but thats not always an option.
TheOneChooch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This only applies to high mythic keys where you are pressed for time and the team knows when to pull, what to pull, and which mobs the healer can drink on. Otherwise, if you want to live, let the healer drink.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:46:29 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:57:54 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You cant get any sips in if the tank pulls more before the previous pack is cleared. I do think that this issue should be much rarer than people in this thread make it out to be tho. These mana issues require both a chain-pulling tank and a group of dps that stand in fire and/or dont use their utility spells. Although I guess just one of these is enough if youre really undergeared.
RingGiver ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:54:10 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blizzard should set something up which keeps track of every time a player votes to kick a healer.
If your group's score exceeds a certain amount, bring in a DPS as the replacement for the healer who got kicked (who also has a few points worth of this). If idiot players want to pull more than the healer can handle, they don't have to run with a healer.
Maybe something like this for tanks as well.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 03:29:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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mainecoonpriest ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:37:02 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not always the truth though. Iโve been in plenty of dungeons where everyone has died because of maybe being feared and they accidentally pulled, or maybe a mob got too close to what we were fighting and decided to join in. If you purposefully let your group die youโre the problem
Bucket_Of_Magic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:41:45 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You might be doing normals friend. As a holy paladin in mythics depending on how big the pull is I'm popping wings/aura mastery and my trinkets. I haven't had a pull once in a mythic where I wasnt sitting at 50% mana after it because of the insane amount of dps who dont kick and stun mobs. Not even including how some dungeons have a ridiculous amount of poisons or magic dots that tick for 5k+ damage if not dispelled.
[deleted] ยท -99 points ยท Posted at 20:54:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Essem91 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:18:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Firstly your attitude is shitty. Not sure why simply being a tank gives you such a superiority complex. Ignoring that, you do you but if everyone dies because the healer didn't have enough mana, you're the problem. And no you can't come back with "well then the healer sucks." No. If you expect to start a fight at full health then you wait until the healer is comfortable.
It's frankly ridiculous that this even has to been said. That's been the consenses for over a decade. Don't be a twat.
[deleted] ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 21:23:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Essem91 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:25:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't once say I had a problem keeping up. I also didn't even say I play a healer. Your assumptions of my capability are as misiformed as your tanking philosophy.
[deleted] ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 21:29:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Essem91 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:30:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am a healer. Again...I didn't say one way or the other. But you're too busy being toxic to be objective.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:38:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Yuki_Onna ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:40:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really not see why you are being perceived by others as an asshole?
Nekus01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:55:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. That is what you are being, "kiddo".
He literally said he's a healer. Read every once in a while, it helps.
Yes the fuck there is. If the tank pulls when the healer doesn't have mana and says such but the tank pulls anyway, it IS the tank's fault. Unless it's an asshat DPS, in which case it would be the dps' fault.
Please don't tank again. Stick to your good ol' rogue. I assure you it will benefit many people in the long run.
The benefit being they don't queue with you as a tank.
Essem91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude deleted all his posts. I actually looked at his comment history earlier because I'm petty. It was all similar shit throughout this sub. What a hateful little asshole.
DatGuy45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hoo boy you are just a treat
druidofthestove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have no dog in this fight, I just wanted to say I'm sorry for whatever happened to you in your life to make you this kind of person.
Sometimes, the general opinion of a person is wrong. In this case, however, you definitely are being unnecessarily shitty to people over the internet.
I hope it helps you feel better about yourself, I guess.
beinlausi-us ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/awkwardquotes
madatthings ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:03:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please play your rogue instead
Goresmackk ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:15:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably should just stick with the rogue and never tank again with that attitude tbh.
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 21:24:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Goresmackk ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:26:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does it feel nice to compensate being your parents biggest mistake by trying to act like a hard ass in world of Warcraft?
beinlausi-us ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have very tiny epeen. Must make up for it by being big strong tank.
DrChym ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, if that's what you'd prefer, even better.
konahaku ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:22:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be slower for you if we wipe. I wait my 4min in queue and bring my own food. You can wait half the amount of time it takes to run back and let me get mana. Give your ire to the dps that don't bother interrupting or moving out of shit, we should be on the same side here.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:24:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jkaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is not about least efficient heals it about most hps... But I will let bad dps and bad tanks die. You set the pace I decide who lives ๐
konahaku ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do try this when I'm feeling pretty done with the dps but they genuinely don't seem to get that they're failing at mechanics and that's why they're dying so they just initiate a vote kick. ๐คท
IWillLeaveEarth ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:26:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go play with your small knives.
Daraugh ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:38:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then I'll heal when I think you need it.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Daraugh ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:47:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I not surprised you're soloing.
HumanMunchlax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:10:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahhaha watch out guys mr badass over here. Enjoy your lfr mate! Link us your armoury lets see where this elitist attitude comes from. Tank is by far the easiest role in the game so you must be doing mythic raids right??
TheMooodle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime I see these "you're too slow" comments, it's always a rogue.
Way to reinforce class stereotypes.
emp_Waifu_mugen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:44:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its funny because whenever i see it its from sonic the hedgehog