I recently met a celebrity, who is likely the most famous person I will ever meet. The person is also incredibly rich. Guy had the most awesome hat I've ever seen.
The one where he's holding the "better" sign he's wearing antlers. You can buy them on Amazon for like ~15$. I had to put mine on a head band with hot glue cause they look terrible otherwise.
The thing is Bill Gates created a monopoly, and did quite a few questionable things to ensure that position. He's also a large philanthropist. It's shades of grey.
Probably the largest reason for the change in attitude is Microsoft's decline. The company is still large, but they no longer have the clout they used to.
Yea, it's pretty easy to be nice to everyone and be generally liked when you've already carved out a piece of the pie so large that dozens of generations of your family are completely set for life.
Still is evil incarnate for me. Though he doesn't participate in the daily operation of M$ anymore the company he created is getting worse by the minute and is directly (negatively) impacting my business every day. I submit the whole Win10 spyware / forced-upgrade debacle as evidence.
Elon Musk is... questionable - certainly, he isn't exactly a mean person, but he's done more stuff that could be construed as bad than Bill Gates does. Elon also risks his money on tech companies that really only contribute to those who can afford it, whereas Bill is very involved in charity and helping people in Africa.
There's still plenty of time for Musk or other billionaires to spend their fortune on humanitarian projects. The Gates' have already built their fortunes, and can devote all of their time to make lasting changes in other ways.
Reading about him in his biography, it really doesn't sound like him to go and become a charity man later in life- he seems a lot more driven to advance the westerns world technology and advance the ways we live our lives. I guess though, in tern- when we get our lives advanced, all our old tech gets given to the 3rder world, so perhaps...?
So did Carnegie and Rockefeller early in their lives, but once they became two of the richest in the world and got older, they turned to spending their fortunes on humanitarian projects.
Damn it's just the perfect life situation. Spend half of your life becoming super rich. Spend the other half figuring out how to give it away. How cool is that?
Fig1024 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:51:40 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk is cool if you don't have to work for him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fig1024 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:10:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually kind of like him because he values progress over money. Unfortunately he doesn't put any value on quality of life for his employees. He's just pushing civilization forward, some people like to invest in that
True, things haven't always been perfect. I think that's a by product of being a billionaire though. I'm thinking/hoping his foundations work will make up for most of that bullshit in the grand scheme of things.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:53:37 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So as long as you use a portion of your ill-gotten gains for good you are totally redeemed. Makes sense.
He's not just giving money back though, it's being used to help better the lives of people around the world.
He's also not just donating to charity but creating foundations to further work towards solving specific problems. He has also stated he intends to have the majority of his wealth used towards philanthropic means by the time he and his wife die.
I dunno, to me it just seems like he's done a little more than just give back 10% of what he got through less than honorable means.
The point of Tesla for example isn't to make super sweet electric sport cars, the point of it is more to spur R&D in the electric car industry as a whole, leading to advancements in things like energy storage/ transmission within the automotive industry so they can eventually get to the point where electric cars are on par with the combustion equivalent.
it's right here in their mission statement :
Our goal when we created Tesla a decade ago was the same as it is today: to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible. If we could have done that with our first product, we would have, but that was simply impossible to achieve for a startup company that had never built a car and that had one technology iteration and no economies of scale. Our first product was going to be expensive no matter what it looked like, so we decided to build a sports car, as that seemed like it had the best chance of being competitive with its gasoline alternatives.
I believe this same principle is applied when considering any of the things Elon Musk is doing/ trying to do/ contributed to.
PayPal ---> electronic payments ---> Global economic connectivity ---> (advance society? idfk i'm high as shit)
SpaceX ---> advancements in astronautics ---> cheaper/better space flight ---> expand hummanity beyond earth for when earth becomes uninhabitable.
not saying the stuff he does is entirely his idea or that he is the only one working towards these goals nor am denying that he does things at least partially out of his own financial interest.
Do you think that Bill Gates was hatched ten years ago a fully formed billionaire? He was the poster child for unfair business practices throughout the 80's and 90's. The dude strangled competition and shit all over our laws to get where he is today.
loi044 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:04 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he's done more stuff that could be construed as bad than Bill Gates does
Whoa dude, I almost forgot about this comment. It's nice that you're curious, but if you actually want to find out what kind of stuff he's done you'll have to look at the replies to my post. I'm not too sure myself, and I'm mostly for Elon, but people have told me he's a real pain in the ass to work with, and he's done some excessive things for his business.
Tech is something where the trickle-down effect actually works though, innit? I mean, any new tech is going to be expensive, but the more development goes on, the cheaper it gets over time.
Just compare the $2500 1 MP digital camera the size of a breadbox from 1999 with the shitty little 5 MP digital camera the size of a pea from 2016, as an afterthought thrown into a $200 netbook...or, you know, anything else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:08 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk is going to turn out to be a Bond villain. Just you wait and see.
If you happen to be in a selected important project of his. Where quite a vital part of sacrafices and discovered know-how were made, and someone did not fulfill their end of the non-contractal part. Not saying all his projects are like that.
Gates is okay in the end, because he robbed, stole, American-style businessed from a number of the software/IT businesses, and gave quite a large chunk of it to the non-first-world poor-class. He was the more brutal but nicer Jobs, with a bit more on the giving back part.
Gates is certainly nicer to some of his own people than Jobs. Knows at least one person willingly worked to death in MS for him, not so for Jobs. Considering the style of security Apple have, not really surprised that is how the thing with NSA turned out. All PR and damage control now imho, since the election is so close.
Btw, who is this Torvalds dude? Never heard of him. /s
Ian Murdock, nothing to see here. /s
Also a lot of the technical founders did not get strong-armed out of their position by non technical people who don't know anything
technical. /s
So in this respect, Gates is not bad, and Jobs at least did not stong-arm Woziak, he only strong-armed others. And both of them actually earned their billions, with actual somewhat useful things, and legally regardless of how. All this will get buried anyway, with a lot of other things.
"#L-to-E-RatioMatters, actual engineers too.
koloup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:50:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I've never seen this before and it's amazing, thank you. I've been trying to reach a lot of conservative family members about the need for this exact taxation issue, propagated similarly by Sanders, but they haven't listened to "socialism." Hearing it from a one percenter might be what they finally need to understand, so again thanks
No problem, if your family and friends are farmers or live in a rural area, check out this 2 minute video of a farmer telling you why he's voting for Bernie.
The reason I can never respect the Koch brothers is their stance on climate change. They have actively opposed climate science in order to make more money and have dealt (possibly irreparable) direct damage to our only planet, there is no chance I can respect them.
According to the environmentalist group Greenpeace, the Koch brothers have played an active role in opposing climate change legislation. Organizations that the Koch brothers help fund, such as Americans for Prosperity, The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, and the Manhattan Institute, have been active in questioning global warming. According to salon.com, through Americans for Prosperity the Koch brothers influenced more than 400 members of Congress to sign a pledge to vote against climate change legislation that does not include offsetting tax cuts.
i mean i respect that opinion you hold, although i think those sources of Greenpeace and Salon are a little worrisome since they tend to be pretty far left of center. I'm just saying that the Koch's are always given a bad rep on their dealings with political donations while reddit wholly ignores the liberal billionaires like George Soros.
i'm not saying i'm a fan of the Koch's, i'm against the citizen united decision. But they do tend to fund libertarian leaning candidates, which i happen to agree with, but i just so happen to know anthropomorphic climate change is happening. Just saying i don't hate them as much as the rest of reddit.
i mean i respect that opinion you hold, although i think those sources of Greenpeace and Salon are a little worrisome since they tend to be pretty far left of center.
I accept that criticism, but can you expect the major media sources to report that? I mean seriously the Washington Post (supposed to be a liberal media source owned by Jeff Bezos[Libertarian worth 50+ billion]) runs 16 anti sanders ads in 16 hours.
Nearly every media outlet has ties to politicians so you're forced to look to media outlets with no ties to the establishment.
Report identifies Koch Industries giving $73m to climate sceptic groups 'spreading inaccurate and misleading information'
A Greenpeace investigation has identified a little-known, privately owned US oil company as the paymaster of global warming sceptics in the US and Europe.
The environmental campaign group accuses Kansas-based Koch Industries, which owns refineries and operates oil pipelines, of funding 35 conservative and libertarian groups, as well as more than 20 congressmen and senators. Between them, Greenpeace says, these groups and individuals have spread misinformation about climate science and led a sustained assault on climate scientists and green alternatives to fossil fuels.
Greenpeace says that Koch Industries donated nearly $48m (ยฃ31.8m) to climate opposition groups between 1997-2008. From 2005-2008, it donated $25m to groups opposed to climate change, nearly three times as much as higher-profile funders that time such as oil company ExxonMobil. Koch also spent $5.7m on political campaigns and $37m on direct lobbying to support fossil fuels.
i only brought up George soros to defend my position on it. The Washington post has more conservative leaning articles then a majority of other papers. The Guardian is a better source.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like you actually agree climate change is real.. wasnt sure where would be the right place to comment here but since you made me think of it.. whenever the argument comes up.. i always go back to this. what is the solution that people who are screaming about climate change are pushing for? less pollution. i think, no matter what your stance on climate change, it would be hard to argue that pollution is a good thing. maybe you dont agree it is changing the climate.. ok.. but our way of life is killing our oceans, destroying entire ecosystems by clear cutting, reducing the quality of the air we breathe and the water we drink, and the list goes on.. pollution in every form, from solid waste to carbon emissions to chemical runoff, is killing this planet.. i would argue that yes, in fact, climate change is also happening, but it is only part of the bigger picture of how we are destroying this planet and nobody talks about the rest of the effects of human impact on global ecosystems
i studied geoscience so i look at the environment a little differently in terms of time. for example our oceans are rising at a slower rate then other times in the geological record. we are moving from an ice house to a green house and have been since the pleistocene. is the burning of fossil fuels increasing this movement. yes. is the solution to ban fossil fuels, hell no, then you turn what is scientifically necessary to curb anthropomorphic climate change acceleration into a political movement which means in 4 years you get a new regime hell bent on getting those lost oil jobs back with maybe a worse deal. i personally believe the best solution is nuclear energy. yes you have to worry about the waste, but that waste can be stored safely if done with proper for sight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why not wind and solar? for example, Siemens divested much of their nuclear investment and diverted to wind power and it has been a huge success. i dont really have a problem with nuclear either though.. the new nuclear plant technology is vastly superior to the plants that were built 50 years ago. it can all work together. that all being said, what do you think about all the myriad other ways we are destroying the ecosystems of the earth? my whole point above was kindof along the lines of climate change is too much of the fucus and we arent working on reducing pollution for the right reasons. we should be protecting fisheries and keeping the oceans clean, keeping the forests intact and the rivers clean so that we can utilize those resources for generations to come.. but we arent doing that. all i hear about is greenhouse gas emmissions and nothing about industrial waste, chemical runoff from mass agricultural operations, plastics clogging our oceans, over fishing, decimation of rainforests etc.
i did a back of the envelope calculation last year using the latest figures i could find on energy usage and the energy the best solar panels could collect and it came out that in order to keep up with amount of energy we use from one year to the next. so just that acceleration little bit not the total amount, it would require the best commercially available solar panel the size of Arizona, with the amount of sunlight Arizona gets. That's just for the US. Nobody aside from people in the industry realize how much copper wind turbines take. not just for building the generator, but all those turbines need to go to one location to enter the grid. So if you are really pro copper mines then wind power is great. but i'm from Montana and like i said earlier, studied geoscience, i know what kind of impact copper mining has on water systems. just look at the Berkley Pit
I'm a huge fan of protecting fisheries and it may come as a surprise but thats why i'm a fan of GMO farming. because GMO's utilize land more efficiently than organic farms (more plants per acre), you are able to use less fertilizer per plant so you have less Nitrogen entering estuaries, more nitrogen changes the Redfield ratio inviting phytoplankton growth which in turn causes redtide and hypoxia in gulf waters killing coral and fisheries due to the lack of oxygen.
i mean this is a very difficult ethical dilema where you have to choose between whats best for the planet and whats best for people. aside for using Eugenics, i don't know of a good answer.
I will say i'm confident that after we humans die off, the earth will still be a thriving ecosystem. maybe she'll kill us off with a super flu of some kind. maybe the sun will cause a high energy EMP destroying all our electronics killing off billions of people in just a few months. who knows.
"Less pollution" is really putting a very complex issue in a tiny box. Everything you are talking about, deforestation, ocean acidification, carbon emissions, etc, are all either major contributors to or a result of global warming. Global warming is the big picture, the effects that you described are pieces of the puzzle, that will be greatly exacerbated as the climate continues to change. Everything that we do, and all of the changes that we need to make to agricultural, natural resource exploitation, etc., are to help mitigate the effects of global warming.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm saying is that they shouldn't be done for that sole reason alone. We don't need to stop clear cutting just because it is important to stop global warming. We need to stop clear cutting also because it destroys ecosystems. Same goes for over fishing and polluting rivers. I agree with you about copper mining and wind turbines as well. I think most mining is terrible for the environment but I know some of it is just unavoidable. I think we should be working at all levels to lessen our impact on the natural world and learn how to use it in a more balanced and sustainable way. We have to use the resources of the earth to maintain our quality of life and to progress as a species. I think we have been on a runaway unchecked march of progress since the industrial revolution and we just keep going without any regard for our impact on the earth. Yes climate change is a part of this but it doesn't have to be the only focus of discussion when it comes to better managing our planet
They technically don't. It's a system of supply and demand, not just supply side economics. Entrepreneurs can create jobs if they like, but hiring employees is a last resort for entrepreneurs, only used when demand requires it. Therefore it is the people who shop at businesses that are the real job creators. Demand will always create more jobs than supply.
Trickle down has been proven ineffective over and over again.
Absolutely. Typical consumers donโt know what they want until they see it. It takes innovators to dream, design and deliver the goods. Then, if demand is there โฆjobs will be created.
I'd be with you if this word was inventors. Inventing has been stifled however in the name of large companies using excessive litigation to tie anything newly created to legacy IP. Down with patent trolls!
Not sure what we call guys like Jobs, and Gates, and Mr. Facebook. Maybe they are both. Same thing with Mr. Amazon. I can't see how the government had anything to do with the start and growth of Amazon.
Traditional inventors are...well...often not the sort of people that know how to start and run a business.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually wrong. It is the Government that drives innovation. They do it through anti-trust laws and market regulation, as well as research funding through science and military. The single greatest innovation of the 20th century is the internet, created by the department of defense. Now, the private sector is important in making it available to the general public, at a nice profit of course.
So, here is the deal. Iโve led innovations in government, the private sector and education. Government can create a playing field and referee the play, but it is the individual participants that make the expansion of opportunity actually work โฆthat is because the players are willing to take risks and government does not. The โthe private sectorโ is made up of many players, most of whom will not become very profitable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The government is not responsible for the creation of Apple, Microsoft...etc. A further example, they did build or fund or support the 747.
They might "allow" it, and often they don't, but there's no way in hell you're going to convince me that those dumb shits take any responsibility for the majority of the innovation that we have.
Now..that said, sometimes things come from the universities, and yes, very seldom, from a grant. Maybe from NASA, and maybe from war efforts, both of which have little do with the products that we use day to day.
But the real reason for innovation comes from the person that wants to make change and wants to make money.
Jet engine was mostly developed in the U.K. by a dude that went against the odds to develop the concept. No government came to him and said, "here's some money to build a new type of engine". He drove the concept of the idea 100%.
Now...I give you that the government can take some credit because of money spent on wars/defense that help to fund advancements in engine design, but by no means did they directly fund or provide grants to develop the engine technology currently in use in today's commercial jets. I mean, when Boeing developed the 747 the government was no where in site, which includes what it took to develop the engine spec that Boeing requested from P&W.
And same thing with IC chips. Maybe the government had some early super computer stuff going on, but the move from tubes to chips was mostly Fairchild. And then it was guys like Job and Woz putting stuff together in their garage.
Show me any assistance or hand-me-downs via the government that helped to create or build Apple. Even when Apple was in the shitter, the government did nothing.
I'm not /u/quellian, but I think what he is trying to say is that in the United States, a majority of the technology adapted and put to use by companies today would not be possible without government funding. While the "government" is not a creator, it is an investor. University grants, DARPA, NASA etc. all play a key role in giving engineers and subsequently entrepreneurs the capital needed to create, embed, and distribute much of the state of the art tech available to the consumer today.
Show/tell me how Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Whole Foods, Amazon...etc. had anything to do with their success because of a government grant and anything government.
Maybe a company like Tesla. I'd buy that one. Maybe some solar stuff. You could argue that DNA/RNA research was government funded. But certainly few biotech.
But I live, work and breathe right in the middle of the Bay Area and I can tell you, the government here is a nuisance. It doesn't do jack shit to help any of these guys and gals working their butts off to start and run a business. We have a lot of guys and gals that come out of Stanford, but...other than being a non-profit, they had to pay for their education.
Even the very government agency that should be helping small business does little. Yes, you SBA.
What the government is good at is creating laws and regulations and taxing the living snot out of everything/everyone.
Look man, I was just trying to explain the other dudes comment. I worked for a 3 man subcontracting company for six years before I had to quit because of school, I understand how businesses under 50-30 employees get fucked.
However, what I was attempting to help explain was the fact that government funded tech eventually works its way into entrepreneurs or large companies hands. Did the government create apple or google? Fuck no it didn't, but Google came about through a research grant from the National Science Association. Apple's Siri and the internet came through DARPA.
I mean, the fact that we are having a stupid internet argument about this is a credit to DARPA's funding MIT students.
Hear me out. Companies like Whole Foods, John Doe's Landscaping, or your local deli, tailor or whomever are the backbone of any society from a standpoint based in GDP/C or socioeconomics. Yet, those aren't the companies getting funded by the Govt. it just has to do with mutual interest.
My general view of it is that aspiring tech entrepenuers/engineers/innovators simply align with the government's in that they both strive to create and distribute new tech. The government does it to stay ahead/for "defense", where as the entrepreneur wishes to make a profit by distributing at a consumer level.
I'm just defending the guy and gal that sticks their neck out to create something. How they then go about it, grants or not, is something else.
These are very VERY special people in my book...and by no means would I ever say that the government drives innovation, and they certainly have nothing to do with the work that it takes to start and run a business to make these products and services happen.
Most businesses fail or succeed solely for one reason - that one person behind the wheel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple, Microsoft - all dependent on computer chips, developed by the British Defense Department. The ancestors of programming languages used in their software was developed on were largely developed at public universities. The communication network over which they communicate was largely funded by the government.
Boeing - Largely still around because of DOD contracts.
ANY product you name today will have its roots in the government either funding parts or its ancestors.
You're missing the point that it takes a person to start and drive any business. That is the sole reason why these companies happen.
Yes, they may borrow or adapt some technology. Even Henry Ford did that. But, as with Henry Ford, and FoMoCo, the government didn't have anything to do with the hard work and drive that made that company what it was and is.
That said, what about Amazon? What about Facebook? Uber? Sales Force? What the hell...Red Bull. Lego? Pixar? I mean...most likely 90% of the companies out there, big and small, got their start with nothing to do with anything related to any government involvement.
eixan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:03 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
warren buffet's more complicated. He disowned his adopted daughter
Here's a comment on the shades of grey that is warren buffet
I think it means it's complicated. He has promised to give most of his wealth to charity and no one in his family gets a great deal of money. If they want money, they have to sell him on an idea that he will then invest in.
Nicole was the daughter of Peter Buffett's wife, Peter adopted Nicole and her sister, but the marriage ended in divorce, so she is not in Warren's bloodline. He had considered her a granddaughter up until the time that she was interviewed as part of the documentary. His letter to her soon thereafter stated that she was disowned, which probably means she will be left out of his will, and that he didn't want anything more to do with her, and that she is probably not welcome in his house.
There was apparently some reaction to his actions at the time that it happened ... Nicole was on Oprah and Marie Claire did an article about her. Warren was getting some negative press ... and about that same time he made the announcement that he was giving away most of his money. After that, the situation with Nicole dropped out of the press and public consciousness.
It is possible that the tiff with Nicole prompted him to make the move to donate his money. He also, not long thereafter, started pushing for increased taxes on the wealthy, which seems, at least on the surface, to be in complete agreement with the premise of the documentary.
I think another thing that few people know about Warren is that he was married and had a live-in mistress for years. In fact, he, his wife, and his mistress used to sign Xmas cards together.
Life is strange. And the very rich are no exception to that.
bgog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not defending him but I'm sure there is something to his side of the story. He paid for her college education and then she appears to have become a hippie, so maybe there were some bad feelings there or fights that were had.
Again not saying he's good or bad, just saying it is easy to take what was likely a very complicated and drawn out situation and boil it down into a headline.
It is sad when a family breaks up, but this also wasn't adopting an orphan or kid from foster care and then tossing her away because she had baggage (which I have seen happen). Family drama isn't something that can be easily judged accurately from the outside.
If you are not driven and ruthless when you are a businessman. You will never get the chance to be a great philathophist. Thats how i look at it.
Think of it this way. If he wasnt ready to step on someone's throat to afvance his business. He would have never made money. And if didnt have money. He wouldnt have been able to do any charity work.
Atermel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows, but if you fake it by spending millions in research to help people, then keep on faking.
I actually replied to LK_LK's comment as well, trying to give my own explanation. Clocktease just made a faster reply, which I found to be easier to understand anyways. link
Working:
Forbes claims he's still the wealthiest man on earth.
7bn peeps on earth.
1/7bn = 1.42... x 10-10
So we move the decimal point 10 places to the left making him technically part of the 0.000000000142...% (9 leading zeroes as jumping over the 1 used up a leading zeroes). But we want it in the format 0.00...01%, so we need to knock off a zero (as e.g the bottom 0.0142% is within the 0.1%). Giving us 0.000000001% (eight leading zeroes). :).
Jalfrezi. :)
Fig1024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure he's at least .0001%
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't use to be
1UPZ_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:57 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
0.01%?
That includes doctors, engineers and surgeons etc... Anyone earning over 100K USD.
Bill Gates and other billionaires are in the 0.00001% i would assume.
YoniTGF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone earning $100k isn't even in the top 1%, let alone the top 0.01%. You have to be making/have over $10 million to be in the top 0.01% in the US.
Magrias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because of how hard he seems to try to not be in that group. Dude spends a lot of his money on helping other people.
mreeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question: why? I mean I know he's now giving away all his money and has this charitable foundation - but he was the bad guy when I was growing up.
To my understanding, he ruthlessly wiped out competitors and was trying his darndest to set up a monopoly. He got at least some of that money by doing unfair/unethical things. Can you just be a nice guy in your golden years and suddenly it's all good?
If people can idolize Steve Jobs they can absolutely idolize Bill Gates.
Sometimes the ends do justify the means, and Bill Gates embodies someone who was ruthless in the business world like countless others were but instead of hoarding the wealth he acquired he decided it would be better to further the human race. You don't have to necessarily like him to respect his contributions to progress.
Yeah and no. He doesn't just give money away. he uses it to effect public policy to reflect his vision regardless of what the people want. Many of his ideas about education for instance are just wrong, the great results expected never happen but the changes he wants do. Basically among other things he is successfully privatizing the education system which is fine for rich people.
You can just google Bill Gates criticism and there is no shortage. People think he's an Angel and he's more like a friendly mobster. You're on the team and will be protected, as long as you do everything he says.
Why any normal person would get all fuzzy over a fucking billionaire is beyond me. As people struggle to find work and pay bills they think he's a hero. It's like thanking a guy who just stole ten dollars from you for "giving" you five bucks.
Why not respect the fact that when he was being a businessman he was ruthless perhaps, but that is what business is all about. If you donโt want to play the game, stay on the sideline. Now, he has the luxury to contemplate the greater realities of the universe and world issues. Kudos to him for his focus on trying to do the right thing. If there is anything true about life it is that things and people change, because they cannot remain the same โฆIโm just glad Bill Gates is who he is today. We need more like him.
Why not respect the fact that when he was being a businessman he was ruthless perhaps, but that is what business is all about.
Yeahhh...if the government has to step in and bring a legal case against you to get you to behave ethically...that's unconscionable behavior in my book. Glad you find it admirable though. Clearly it's making the world a better place.
I did not say that I โadmireโ ruthless behavior. I do not make a โgoodโ businessperson because I try to live an ethical life. But I do recognize that the reality of the game of business is brutal, not unlike warโฆwhich humankind has a habit of repeating (unfortunately). What I do see as admirable is when a general retires from battle and works to help the wounded. That shows character development. Bill Gates did not dispute the general tone of the โPirates of Silicon Valley.โ And BTW, government is no litmus test of virtue eitherโฆall too often government is playing out their own special interests, as we see in the current political events.
Yes, business innovation has made life โbetterโ for many. What we need to change is the general sociopathic attitude of the human species, still rooted in our reptilian brain fragments.
Fair enough. And I believe businesses should be competitive. Intensely when necessary. But there's healthy competition and there's take everything you can get up to the letter of the law...and maybe fudge that a little. I feel like there's space between the two...and part of being a great business leader is having the courage to make that call when it matters.
As for government, no argument that they don't always represent the 'right' side. I believe they did in the Microsoft antitrust suit.
We are in agreement. In my opinion, we would live in a much healthier world if a doctrine of fairness was respected by all, including shareholders, as the most important guiding business and government principle. Let us hope that we evolve into that type of mindset, sooner rather than later, if we are to survive as a species.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:26:54 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very valid points. People aren't praising the man he was, but the man he has become. You're very right that it doesn't excuse things, but it certainly adds to the other side of the scale. At this point, the general consenus is that he has more than made up for that.
He's giving away his money now, and back in the day where he was a ruthless business man and putting the hurt on the tech industry that was realistically the norm. Everyone would have done the same if they had the chance that Bill did. It was the wild west, and I don't fault him for being the best gunslinger.
tvent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:51 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he ruthlessly wiped out competitors and was trying his darndest to set up a monopoly.
So? Dude wanted to be on top. Do you not want to be on top?
He's an oligarch in a democracy. He's not a good guy, people are just amazed how much he "donates" to charity while forgetting how things like interest work. Put a billion in the bank and take a nap, wow you just made a million bucks.
We should start a campaign to get him elected President instead of ALL the douchewads currently running (seriously, NONE of the current candidates of either party deserve to be President)
said Noone in early mid 90s.... but yes, I love this guy. He's a Saint.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should I remind you that mr beloved Billy Gates tried to actively stop the development of the fucking Internet back in the late 90's? Or are you too young to remember or willfully ignorant?...
I'd introduce competition back into the computing world. I'd trash Windows 10 and create a new operating system that actually functions as an OS instead of a data collection system.
People have to remember, running a business isn't running a charity. He's there to make money. The board members don't care how he does it, as long as he does.
You don't have to approve, but 'hating' a ceo because of things the company does is kind of silly. Of course the company will do the things it needs to do to make lots of money.
There is nothing silly about hating a CEO for making money. It's silly to have such a romantic view of businesses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We should not put business on the same scale as humanity. But if we want to solve that problem, we should perhaps start teaching children that capitalism isnt all that great.
I'd blame the butcher if he was actively torturing the animals. He doesn't. A company and its CEO are not excused for its complete absence of a moral compass.
SiFixD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:27:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't even remotely the same thing, you can exist as a business without resorting to inhumane practices, companies like nestle shouldn't be excused of using child labour and slavery simply because they're making money, there's a definite line in which a company is no longer using morally acceptable practices and a butcher doesn't even come close simply because he supplies meat.
The fact is, almost any 'big business' is doing things you wouldn't approve of. That doesn't mean you go around 'hating the ceo'. Not only is it not always them doing this 'horrible thing', but it's not always something they're even aware of.
SiFixD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:24:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can what i said in any way lead you to believe i'm defending nestle's business practices? I literally used them as an example of a truly disgusting business, but clearly our opinions differ around the point that you believe a CEO, the face of a company and one of the largest beneficiaries, isn't accountable for the goings on within his own business, where as i believe they are.
A ceo is there to make money. They are not there to micromanage every little detail.
I would challenge you to micromanage every detail of a fortune 500 company with 10's of thousands of employees.
SiFixD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:24:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A ceo is there to make money.
The fact that it's your job doesn't inherently make everything you do perfectly moral and acceptable, you yourself called out nestle above for arguing that water isn't a basic human right, so you obviously understand that's immoral, and not excused by the fact that it's his job to do so.
Everytime I unhide these thread arguments I enjoy seeing the person on the minority end become less and less capable of handling their opinion being questioned, to the end that they become more or less incoherent.
It always ends in that person rattling off an insult or two, or calling the other side stupid, then leaving for good as they have lost but cannot accept that they aren't better than everyone else.
Best get to work winning a fight on one of the other randomly generated names you've got. It'll make you feel better.
It always ends in that person rattling off an insult or two, or calling the other side stupid, then leaving for good as they have lost but cannot accept that they aren't better than everyone else.
I'm still making my point. You're sitting here insulting me. You do realize you just insulted yourself too, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:48 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AntiTrust:
predatory acts designed to achieve or maintain monopoly power.
The company was convicted of this, and it is a crime. I'd argue the Netscape thing was very tame compared to what they had done previously as well.
sellyme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
one of the commentors on that article mighty joe said this
I watched the video of Gates and Charlie Rose. Gates just said that (1) it is technically possible to access the information; (2) that the courts will decide whether to get that information; (3) Apple will comply with the courts; (4) Apple is merely encouraging a debate about government surveillance and the processes we need to ensure we can trust the government in that supervisory capacity and forcing the matter up to higher courts. Gates was otherwise on the fence - it was just a factual description of the lay of the land. So yes, the FT has mischaracterised his comments.
Unless you are a programmer who has worked with systems like this it's very difficult to understand the issues here. Bill gates is seen as such a person, yet he didn't mention any of the issues described in the video above, which he should have.
I get a sense that this is more of a reflection on Microsoft's history of dealing with the government. A case of, well we had to add back doors so why shouldn't you. Although that's just a guess as to why he is one of few in this area who are not on the same side as Apple in this argument.
denpo ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 22:36:18 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He crushed a couple of company with pretty nasty moves : Digital Research, Beos, Netscape of what I know, there's probably others.
They also got caught stealing Stac's compression filesystem.
And if you ever had to deal with browser compatibility as a web programmer or designer, you probably still know why Bill Gate the 90's business man can be hated.
I'm a web developer and hate Microsoft with a passion.
Still, I don't know how anyone could hate Bill Gates.
denpo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:51:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering the bad moves related to web standard started while he was still in command, he's kind of related.
That doesn't prevent me from admiring his work outside Microsoft.
Bill Gates was a ruthless, cutthroat businessman who made his vast wealth by using every dirty trick in the book (and inventing a few new dirty tricks along the way) and then using Microsoft's success to effectively hold the computer industry hostage for 20 years.
He viewed any successful non-Microsoft software as a threat, even if that software was for Windows. And if that software was cross-platform he viewed it as an existential threat, since it lessened people's dependence on Microsoft.
Internet Explorer? Microsoft didn't make it. They completely missed the boat on the World Wide Web, and with the popularity of the Netscape Navigator web browser (which was available on almost every computer, from $20k SGI workstations to Macs to Windows PCs), Bill Gates & co saw a threat to Microsoft's dominance, so they rushed to get their own web browser by buying one from a company called Spyglass Software. Now, since Netscape Navigator cost money, everyone assumed Microsoft would charge for Internet Explorer, and Microsoft's contract with Spyglass Software promised to give Spyglass a cut of whatever money they made from Internet Explorer sales. So what did Microsoft do? They released Internet Explorer for free, which was something none of their competitors could do since Microsoft had such deep pockets. Spyglass Software was ruined, and so was Netscape eventually. Once Internet Explorer was available, Microsoft threatened not to sell Windows to any PC manufacturer that bundled Netscape Navigator, which would later get them in trouble with the Department of Justice and the EU.
DirectX? Began life as an OpenGL knock-off that would (Microsoft hoped) lock-in developers to Windows. Hell, Microsoft was so afraid of OpenGL (since it was cross platform and the industry standard at the time) that they offered to partner with SGI (creator of OpenGL) on a new, cross platform graphics library called FireGL. Except that Microsoft had no intention of actually releasing FireGL. They hoped working on FireGL would distract SGI from advancing OpenGL long enough to let DirectX (then called Direct3D) catch up to it, and when their plan worked Microsoft just up and abandoned FireGL.
When 3D accelerators were new (which are now called GPUs), there was a much larger number of companies developing desktop GPUs than the nVidia/AMD/Intel tri-opoly we have today, and many of them were too small to afford to create their own full OpenGL implementations. Since most PC GPUs at the time only implemented a small subset of OpenGL in hardware, Microsoft wrote a full software OpenGL implementation and then offered it to GPU companies, so those companies could just replace the parts that their GPU implemented in hardware and still have a full OpenGL driver. Once they had all spent a good deal of time doing this, Microsoft actually refused to license any of their OpenGL code for release, effectively guaranteeing that smaller GPU companies would only have support for DirectX.
Video For Windows? VFW (now called Windows Media or whatever) only came into being because Microsoft literally stole the source code to QuickTime For Windows. Both Microsoft and Intel were having a hard time getting video to play smoothly on PCs, when Apple surprised them both by releasing QuickTime For Windows, a port of their QuickTime video framework for Macintosh. QuickTime For Windows could to smooth video playback on ordinary PCs with no special hardware, and Microsoft and Intel were caught completely off guard by it. Apple had contracted out to a 3rd party company to do the Windows port of QuickTime, so what did MS do? They went to the same company and gave them a ton of money to develop Video For Windows, but an insanely short schedule, knowing full well that the company would essentially have to re-use a lot of the QuickTime For Windows source code to get the project done on time.
When Apple found out (their contract with the other company stated that Apple owned all the QuickTime For Windows source code), they went ballistic and sued Microsoft. Microsoft had been caught red-handed and knew that Apple had them by the balls. So MS settled. Remember when Microsoft "bailed out" Apple in the 90s by buying $150 million in Apple stock? Despite what the tech press reported, that's not what actually happened. The $150 million in non-voting Apple stock that Microsoft bought was part of their settlement (Apple was no longer on the verge of bankruptcy by that point, and didn't need to be bailed out). The settlement also had Microsoft agreeing to port MS Office and Internet Explorer to Macintosh.
So a lot of people my age tend to view Bill Gates' recent charities as an attempt to whitewash his reputation and, in a way, buy his way into heaven.
Remember when Microsoft "bailed out" Apple in the 90s by buying $150 million in Apple stock? Despite what the tech press reported, that's not what actually happened. The $150 million in non-voting Apple stock that Microsoft bought was part of their settlement (Apple was no longer on the verge of bankruptcy by that point, and didn't need to be bailed out). The settlement also had Microsoft agreeing to port MS Office and Internet Explorer to Macintosh.
In Steve Jobs biography, he confirmed Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy. Jobs went to Gates and said, "Look, you know that we are going to win this case and you are going to owe us a crap load of money. I know this, you know this. But Apple isn't going to last more than 3 months before hitting bankruptcy. I know this, you know this. So let's settle for non-voting stocks and agreement to port Microsoft Office." Apple needed cash to extend their lifeline and Microsoft didn't want to pay up a billion, so it was a compromise on both sides.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A billion dollars? Really? You need to post sources for this whole thing I think, that seems a bit out there for the 90s. That and I'm more keen to believe Microsoft would tell them to go fuck themselves unless everyone is far more buddy-buddy than business than I thought.
I called up Bill and said, โIโm going to turn this thing around.โ Bill always had a soft spot for Apple. We got him into the application software business. The first Microsoft apps were Excel and Word for the Mac. So I called him and said, โI need help.โ Microsoft was walking over Appleโs patents. I said, โIf we kept up our lawsuits, a few years from now we could win a billion-dollar patent suit. You know it, and I know it. But Appleโs not going to survive that long if weโre at war. I know that. So letโs figure out how to settle this right away. All I need is a commitment that Microsoft will keep developing for the Mac and an investment by Microsoft in Apple so it has a stake in our success.
also keep in mind that at this time Microsoft was being hit by anti-trust lawsuits by the government. It was Microsoft's advantage to keep Apple afloat.
Does Ms still have ownership in apple? I.e. every time someone bags out windows phone on their way to the apple store...Microsoft is still winning right?
i believe so. apple and microsoft worked together and tried to eliminate the "they have to lose in order for us to win" type mentality. the fight was fed via media. that's not to say they weren't competitiveย or didn't feel that way at one point, but as you can see, microsoft has a stake in apple so that they win together. jobs also started helping google (and vice versa) too at the end of his life, who they got sour on after they introduced android. not stock investment, but just general mentorship
This is the one thing about apple I never hear about. Every tech company one way or another has a general vision to help the betterment of humanity. Apple doesn't have a change the world motto. It's strange but not surprising
steve jobs' biography is pretty good at explaining it. steve's (by extension, apple's) motto is to make the best products possible. he gets a lot of bad rap for overpricing items, closing things off, being a greedy asshole, nazi, etc, but when you read the brutally honest book, you realize he was only focused on making great products. he never cared about anything else (philanthropy, money, making world a better place, market share, etc) because it wasn't on his radar. Wonderful products (apple, pixar) was his way of giving to the world.
again, i know it's hard to believe that anything corporate is not 100% after profit, but i think steve jobs profit was not his sole objective. in many ways, profit was a means to his goal, to make better products. anyways, people will believe what they want to believe. but it was clear that he turned down many opportunities to milk the cow because it didn't meet his goal of making a better product.
To be fair as a consumer we also benefited from some of it as well.
Since Microsoft had deep pockets to out due to competition we got the products for cheaper or even free (IE). Because of that today I bet 99% of the populous if you asked them would you pay for Chrome, Firefox or Edge (IE) they would say "No, why would I its always been free"
It's amazing how in none of those examples did the smaller companies cover their asses. They just jumped into bed with Microsoft looking to either get rich or make a name for themselves.
It's easy to make Microsoft look like they were doing all kind of underhanded things to these small companies, but no one forced Spyglass to word their contract as a percentage of profits, they did that because they wanted to get rich off of Microsoft and they got nailed for it.
The Quicktime thing was good business, Microsoft leveraged a company for their knowledge. It's not Microsofts problem to worry about whether or not their subcontractors are breaking existing contracts with what they're creating. The short timeline is a bit nefarious here, but again that company could have said no, but they didn't.
I guess the OpenGL thing is a bit scuzzy, and there wasn't much SGI could do besides not partnering with MS to build FireGL.
zouhair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How a small company can defend itself? If a big corporation has you in their line of sight it is more of "an offer that they can't refuse" kinda of thing.
They get the money or their company goes bankrupt and their lives get destroyed.
The contract with Spyglass was greed on Spyglass's part. A normal software development contract is the client (Microsoft) paying for services and products rendered (Internet Explorer). Spyglass got greedy thinking that MS was going to sell shitloads of copies of Internet Explorer and they were going to make a windfall, so instead of charging MS a flat price that would cover their expenses, they went with the % and got fucked by their contract.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also amazing how in none of those examples did the smaller companies cover their asses
It's easy to do that when you have an unfair share of the world's wealth.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a lot of conjecture (that can definitely be agreed with here and there, but it's conjecture nonetheless) in that quote, dude. The OpenGL thing, for example. Isn't Facebook a knock-off of myspace? No? Is Amazon a knock-off of ebay or Newegg? The biggest things in the world are pretty much the same level of "knock-off" as that guy claims. The absolute, 100%, only difference is when you can compare two things and say definitively that "these parts are identical", but that isn't applicable in the above situations. It's worth debating but it never amounted to anything.
He also states Microsoft choosing proprietary over open-source or supporting other developers. No fucking shit? Apple does this all the time with everything, no one seems to care. People still bought and will continue buying ipads and crappy macbooks they don't need, iphones that are worth half as much as the price tag, and continue to get railed by Apple policies. There are loads of examples of this. I'm sure this happens so regularly with a vast number of companies that it's a joke to even mention it in passing. People simply don't hear about it that often.
The copyright/lawsuit thing with QuickTime code was a settlement that ended up being a fraction of what the lawsuit was worth, and you're going to believe this guy saying they dropped to their knees over it? Again, I'm sure this happens a lot; things happen behind closed doors and by the time anyone outside hears anything, it's all said and done. People make assumptions and judge something they'll never get all the information on.
I'm not really surprised this is upvoted but fuck, reddit. Collectively use your brain and stop eating up bullshit.
Hehe, easier said than done mate. It's a big bad world out there, some people don't even want to know.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was a small slice of terrible things Microsoft has done and how they leveraged their desktop monopoly. There is still Java, DR-Dos, MS-Office, Open document formats, and the list goes on.
They are in the process of doing it right now with DirectX12 and Windows 10 to try to kill Vulkan.
PuppyLV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You completely lost me at
and will continue buying ipads and crappy macbooks they don't need, iphones that are worth half as much as the price tag, and continue to get railed by Apple policies.
Really because last time I checked if iPhones weren't made by underpaid Chinese people they'd cost way more. And yeah I know they aren't the only ones, but I'm just making a point, that if anything they are overpriced, not underpriced.
Dude was a Grade A+ asshole and killed, murdered, burned the fields and salted what was left of any innovation in the computing industry that didn't bend to their will.
What came from the ashes was Linux, albeit the roots were earlier than the plundering, which was something he couldn't touch because it was free as in beer and free as in libre.
Idk...I admit I'm not old enough to truly understand what happened. Let's take a look at iOS and Android, they're so popular in part because they're easy to use. It wasn't always obvious that phone/tablet ui should be easier to use.
When I use Linux even the main distros there is a feeling that I need to poke around with the settings to get things working how they should. Would an open Linux type OS have organically become easy to use if MS were not around? Idk, but from my pov it really doesn't seem like it would have. It's obvious now that computers are ubiquitous but imagine trying to teach grandma how to use Linux...
Linux only seems to be lacking in hardware support compared to windows, which is an egg or chicken problem. Though I didn't have any problems with it on my Intel Z97 system.
These are the types of things I was referring to, would an open OS eventually created an 'system' where hardware 'just works'? Hell non-techies have a hard enough time dealing with drivers in Windows.
That's not what the fight was about although that's what some people think it is.
There's so many parallel stories.
There's the DOS that went around computer clubs adding to it's popularity. MS (Gates) comes out with a letter saying that it's not for free but for pay and people need to pay for it. Fair enough but it's the trading that got it used and popular.
DOS and Windows was pretty much easily copied and traded all the way up until Windows XP. Windows 95c and 98 had license keys but you could use a single install one in an installation INI file.
Then you had non compete. There were multiple OSs available for the IBM and cloned formats. Microsoft said to manufacturers that any machine made also had to pay for a Windows license regardless of what OS is installed on the system.
That was the death of OS/2, BeOS, and a handful of other specialized operating systems. OS/2 got cornered into the PBX market as Windows was unreliable for switching calls. BeOS couldn't stay alive in the multimedia market and went away when the MMX chipset became ubiquitous.
The dumpster diving for SQL went to court.
The whole IE debacle.
Just volumes. Look for Gates deposition on the bundling of IE with the justice department. That was happening at the same time of Clinton's deal with "I don't know what 'IS' IS"
ycnz ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:09:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot was down to simply not liking unbridled capitalism (to be clear, I don't either). He was doing his job - trying to "maximise shareholder value". No part of his job description would have said "help the little guy succeed". Hell, Google quietly removed their "Don't be evil" slogan.
Don't expect a corporate to ever have your best interests at heart. It definitely can happen, but it's not the safe bet.
Well, their parent company changed the wording to "Do the right thing". Theoretically, it could be the same, but... why change it if you don't want to change what it means? :)
"Do the right thing" has a different meaning depending on what the CEO, managers, or workers define as the "right" thing. Evil is pretty clear cut.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:10:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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upp3r90 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:27:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A company like Google does many things, not just 1. Having a slogan that says "do the right thing" makes it easy to justify doing some wrong things by having lots of right things to point at. A slogan like "don't be evil" means "don't ever do the wrong thing, regardless of how many right things you're also doing."
It's also reassuring to the users who have invited Google into every part of their life. I like knowing that even though Google could destroy my life if it wanted to, it says it's not going to fuck me over. Do the right thing is very ambiguous and a terrible slogan. Every evil person ever thought they were doing the right thing. Does the right thing involve me getting fucked over? I hope not.
I still do, but it's amazing what money will buy you. Just throw reddit a couple hundred reddit golds and they'll bend over backwards to remove all the negative comments about you or your company.
Leporad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or clone himself multiple times just for a thank you photo.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:11:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suck at life
Gastte ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta look on the bright side dude. I may not have seven-nineteen's million dollars like Bill Nye but I have a warm cot to sleep in and the love of a beautiful anime body pillow. Things are alright.
-5m ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:55:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can only suppose he's the one intercepting my e-mails with that nigerian prince
Rhumald ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:30:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try not to lean too hard one way or another. Bill Gates is an amazing philanthropist and general human being now, but when he was a businessman, he was pretty ruthless.
He was disliked for some pretty good reasons, even if the circlejerk has rose-colored glasses.
The issue with business tends to be that if you aren't ruthless enough, you'll be taken advantage of more often than you'd get the upper hand on deals. And if you aren't being ruthless, someone else can easily fill your niche in whatever sector you're in.
Does that justify cut throat business tactics? Maybe? No proper answer to that really.
You reminded me of something Bill Burr said about Lance Armstrong. Society has to channel sociopaths into projects that can do some good. Bill Gates moved his efforts from crushing business competitors to crushing diseases. The results are amazing when you can get these people on the right treadmill.
best part is he owns up to it. I remember in one of his older amas someone asked him about how he felt about pirates of silicon valley and he said it was an accurate representation of him in the movie.
That's not true. They just don't get to have monopolies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:48 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs was a dick even when he wasn't being a businessman.
Truth_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same goes for Warren Buffet. Now that he's old and made his millions, now he thinks tax loopholes should be closed and philanthropy is great and all super-rich should do it. Same for Gates.
This doesn't mean what they're doing isn't great, but it doesn't erase the past.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:39:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Dude's given 10's of billions of dollars to charity, and is currently doing many things to try to help people and better the world. If he had to strangle a baby to get to where he is today to do the stuff he's doing now, I would have said, let him.
kinda douchey? that has to be the understatement of the year. It has always baffled me that Microsoft, and by extension Bill Gates, was so utterly hated by pretty much everyone on the planet for their sometimes shady business practices and taking advantage of their leading position, and when Steve Jobs and Apple not only does the same but crank it up by a factor of ten, the whole world still loved him and shat themselves over every new Apple product. Steve Jobs was 10 times the asshole Bill Gates/MS ever was at their worst.
They were both pretty ruthless. Steve Jobs denied paternity of his daughter which made him an ultimate asshole, but he was in his early 20s and they reconciled. I think that's what people fail to understand.
I think the main difference between them is that Bill Gates is very public about his philanthropy. Steve Jobs was very private about his philanthropic efforts and his wife was (and still is) the face of it. Reason being, Steve Jobs was very active at Apple and Pixar. He pretty much ran Apple until the day he died.
wootis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's what people fail to understand.
You're the one that called him the "ultimate asshole"
Like any other multi-billionaire, Bill Gates has done his fair deal of damage to a huge number of people/competitors, not to mention setting the entire PC market back at least 10 years through his company's monolithic presence in the tech market and it's iron grip on it.
Don't be fooled. While it's respectable that he's being so philanthrophic now, he's not an individual worthy of admiration.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:21:00 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
WHAAAAT? Dude runs the largest charity in the world. One that has its sights on eliminating polio. I'm sorry your computer isn't as cool as it could be, but christ, lighten up a bit.
The Rotary Club is, and has been, leading the effort to eradicate polio way before Gates was interested. Not to knock Gates, but as a Rotarian I'd be remiss to not correct the record here.
But Microsoft doesn't build components for the PC... so how the hell could it set back the market? You talking about Windows? Sure there were good versions and bad but I don't think Windows itself has set back the PC market "10 years."
That is saying that Mac is 10 years more advanced than a normal PC, or Linux...
The PC market doesn't simply include the 'hardware' market - it includes a hell of a lot more than that. The area in which Microsoft was particularly harmful was to software through its 'Embrace, extend and extinguish' policy.
So yes, it did set back not only the PC industry but the entire tech industry back 10 years, because at the time there was essentially no alternative to Windows worth using due to Microsoft's systematic suppression of anything resembling a worthy competitor. It is only now that we are exiting that 'dark age' - with the apparition of major competing OSes on a different market (iOS and Android) and the rise in the Mac helping diminish Microsoft's domination of the desktop PC (laptops and towers).
Edit: Besides, they did in fact affect the hardware market too - for many years, Intel's hardware was developed together with Microsoft's software. This was done in order to force users to upgrade to the latest batch of Intel hardware in order to not have sucky performance on PCs with old hardware that was, in fact, perfectly capable of running Microsoft's latest software.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see where you got that 10 year figure. You're right, theres a lot towards the 'tech' industry, I can't imagine our software, hardware, and infrastructure capabilities (including economic feasibility) have existed 10 years ago, assuming Microsoft didn't exist, or even didn't even have that specific strategy towards market competition.
You're being obtuse. Arguing semantics about 'how long' Microsoft set back the industry is irrelevant - the fact is it did, and this was a movement spearheaded by Bill Gates. Thus, he isn't worthy of admiration - he's done plenty of bad.
How is how long Microsoft did or did not set back the industry "irrelevant", if you don't mind me asking? If Microsoft had only set the industry back by a single day, but had provided livelihoods for thousands of people for years, surely that'd be worthwhile?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:06 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, tech has been pretty good for the last 25 years. Speculate all you want though
You're being obtuse. Arguing semantics about 'how long' Microsoft set back the industry is irrelevant - the fact is it did, and this was a movement spearheaded by Bill Gates. Thus, he isn't worthy of admiration - he's done plenty of bad.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:25:16 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said feel free to speculate
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck is this downvoted?
Bill Gates/Microsoft were really really terrible and did everything to slow down progress so they could make money off of it. The Microsoft hate circlejerk from the 90s till late 00s was not unfounded.
That's because Bill Gates has a much better ability to do so. All of us combined can dream of having the ability to help other outs, I get the OP sounds crazy for calling out Gates on his 1990s antitrust business practices, but don't call out people's abilities generosities all willy nilly like that, it's two different scales of giving. That's just not a fair thing to say IMO.
I think it's deserved. Gates is not just writing checks he actually visits these places and attempts to do smart things with his money, and has also convinced many billionaires to pitch in in the same way. He has started the largest philanthropic movement in the history of the world and this idiot is still mad because he broke Java compatibility on Windows. Ridiculous tunnel vision is what it is.
Well, the thing will Bill Gates, is while I love the man, it's important to not duck the Microsoft vs. US case IF we are going to talk about the big picture. Like it will ultimately end up as a footnote in any biography about him, but the case was basically about how Microsoft single handily tried to wipe out the competition, because at its peak, Microsoft was the lone King and could've manipulated the market anyway it wanted, even at a what seems to be a small level with an Internet browser, if it didn't work on a Windows computer, it wouldn't work on anything else, leading to Windows being the only OS for computers.
But hey, hate is pretty much subjective as people will like and dislike whomever they want for whatever reasons.
Yeah I hear you. Microsoft had it's time as the big bad monopoly, but as you said that will barely be remembered compared to Gates' final chapters and what he has given back to the world. OP lead in with (paraphrasing) "don't look up to Bill Gates..." which is an utterly ridiculous thing, I think, when weighing the two things together. The guy is out there literally saving lives with big ideas, and yeah, he has the means, but lots of people have the means and barely do anything.
Yeah, while I do believe breaking anti trust laws is bad, the what if scenario I mentioned is only a what if scenario now, technology has rapidly evolved since then and at the same time, Bill Gates improved his image by putting on an amazing showing in philosophy basically exceeding any type of wrong deed.
I get what the OP was saying, and it's completely understandable, but his argument comes off kinda off setting by going off as you HAVE TO hate Bill Gates, rather than, he's a great guy now, but in his past, he was ruthless in business approach.
I'm sure he does have marketing people, but I would think a Reddit AMA and a follow up video is something that he could handle with virtually no input from anybody else. The man has been in the spotlight for a long time, and is pretty smart and eloquent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marriage has had such a good effect on Bill. Back in the 90s, he was evil. Now he's a cool rich dude trying to do good in the world, and generally doing it in a really sensible way, too.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:50:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And for some reason, we make movies about Steve Jobs instead.
Everybody likes him for who he is after stepping down as CEO.
Microsoft is cool now, and so is Gates, but together they were pretty fucking gross and shady.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:00:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Microsoft is cool now
I know some people who would strongly disagree with this statement.
Edit: I should specify, personally I've been liking Microsoft more and more, but I know some people who aren't me who don't think Microsoft is cool. Telling me all of these cool things Microsoft is doing isn't going to change their minds.
We just got SQL Server for Linux (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That many ! Needed) and MS joining the eclipse foundation today after they bought Xamarin and are likely to open it up. The number of people who can reasonably disagree are dwindling
I don't know, these are some of the moves Microsoft has made in the past year.
Open source the Edge JS engine
Open source the .NET framework starting at version 5
Created ability for power users to access builds quicker for Windows and Windows Phone
Offered a pretty much full featured version of Visual Studio for free
SQL Server for Linux
They might not be cool yet, but they are doing things that even 5 years ago would have been seen as suicidal and insane if the CEO of Microsoft started down that path. My 2 cents.
pzinha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their phones and tablets are real computers. How cool is that ?
And finally added Virtual Desktops (although the implementation kinda sucks) to windows!
pzinha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are people without much of critical sense to me. Being informed made me change my opinion in the last 5 years and now I am very fond of several things in MS and their products.
It does get better. Maybe not over the last five years with the turmoils and Middle East, the mass migrations and what that does with the rest of the World, but in general the World does get better. The news create a skewed perception of the World.
Kind of amazing to think that this lovable old man was one of the most ruthless businessmen in the 80s and 90s. I wonder what happened that made him change his mind.
The spectre of death loomed over him and he knew his legacy could not be defined as a billionaire who screwed over customers, stifled competition and fought the US government... instead now he's a reddit darling, philanthropist and all around wise old guy.
All Ensemble had to do was introduce a few new pieces/ civs to the Conqueror edition of AOE every few years and they could have milked that franchise for a billion dollars. Instead they went Gods and fixed town centers...... and F'd the game.
I just picture him saying, "I know, I'll do something where I wear like 30 hats" and some assistant running all over town trying to find just the right ones.
I wonder if he has a personal assistant to put a video like that together or if he does it himself for fun. I find it amusing that he might have spent several hours taking photos of himself and making a video for fun, potentially a video worth tens of thousands given the value of his time.
Marriage has had such a good effect on Bill. Back in the 90s, he was evil. Now he's a cool rich dude trying to do good in the world, and generally doing it in a really sensible way, too.
Airazz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see that Windows Movie Maker is still not much more advanced than Paint.
I can't stand that this fucker has so successfully and easily rehabbed his image. Putting half your fortune into a tax shelter and promising to give it away sometime before you die. And Reddit just laps it up.
n0xz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He already gave away billions in real money, what have you done besides sitting on the couch and complaining?
Putting it into a tax shelter is not giving it away. Spending it on business ventures that have a humanitarian goal is also not giving it away. Having to pay billions in fines for criminal activity gives him a negative Ledger that I assure you exceeds mine.
n0xz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a tax shelter, but they've spent at least a few hundreds millions a year for the past ten years helping various causes. It's not just sitting there nor business ventures.
dcnblues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Gates doesn't typically donate cash. He starts companies that profit (or at least break even) by doing something for human good. It's not in his dna to donate and loose control of his money. Biggest personal fortune on earth, go ahead and show me the straight up cash donations for humanitarian purposes. I guarantee it's the lemon next to the pie compared to the fines he's had to pay for illegal corporate activity.
And he locked the planet into the shittiest OS ever created for decades by predatory behavior toward the competition. And he isn't tarred by it at all. Baffles me.
25 - You reminded me of something Bill Burr said about Lance Armstrong. Society has to channel sociopaths into projects that can do some good. Bill Gates moved his efforts from crushing business competitors to crushing diseases. The results are amazing...
4 - No problem, if your family and friends are farmers or live in a rural area, check out this 2 minute video of a farmer telling you why he's voting for Bernie.
1 - Unless you are a programmer who has worked with systems like this it's very difficult to understand the issues here. Bill gates is seen as such a person, yet he didn't mention any of the issues described in the video above, which he should have. I...
That is the most expensive video produced for reddit in the history of reddit.
Just to cover the time spent by Bill Gates sitting there (not even including the pittance it cost to have somebody film and edit it, or the building, or the power used, or anything else) is insanely big bucks.
Arnold could take his time and make a thousand 5 minute videos of him running over shit in his tank and it still wouldn't cost as much as 15 minutes of Bill Gates' time.
I work in the same building as Bill Gates' personal office. I was confused when I was walking into the office today and I saw a bunch of guys with camera equipment. guess this explains it.
"Well, that's all the time I have for your questions. If you'll excuse me, I have to get back to trying to implement a eugenics based white supremacist plan by sterilizing all of sub-Saharan Africa. But here's a kooky video with some hats."
Guy Behind Camera: Bill... um Bill... a guy called asking for money to fund a breakthrough cancer treatment. Bill: QUIET! Can't you see I'm in the middle of putting on a funny hat for Reddit!?
When you're 50+, everything fun looks like a midlife crisis. Sometimes your back hurts, so putting on a silly hat is all the fun you can have.
vloger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The man is having some fun and just enjoying his life. You can say whatever you want about him but Bill Gates is just one awesome dude.
0dde0 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was shot on an iPhone 6S Plus 128 GB using the new time lapse feature in the camera app!
SpetS15 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Remember the world is getting better"
dont mind those people being bombarding and killed everyday, and child being raped and beheaded, they are not part of the world. Also, poor people, homeless, they dont exist, is just your imagination and bad propaganda media
Percentage-wise, there is less of that happening than in the past. So the world is getting better.
In about 1200 AD there were roughly 400,000,000 people in the world. Genghis Khan's dreams of empire killed 40,000,000 of them, about 10% of the world's population.
Some of the Christian Crusades happened in this era too, and of course, people in other areas were being raped and beheaded. Its not a new thing at all.
Lots of poor people and homeless too.
In WWII, there were 2.3 billion people on earth, and at least 60 million died because of that. That is 3%.
I mean, I agree that the quality of life for the average person is getting better, but there's objectively more suffering nowadays by virtue of having a larger population. Reducing actual suffering to a percentage relative to the population at the time is misleading.
I suppose, but I hesitate to say that it is even possible to reduce actually suffering in raw numbers, at least with a positive population growth. There are newer ways to die, more diseases, fiendish weapons...
On the other hand, many types of horrible death are in decline. For all that ISIS likes beheading, that was a very common way to execute criminals, traitors, and captured soldiers in earlier eras. Most societies do not practice it any more. Most militaries do not summarily kill their captured enemies.
And in other cases, horrible deaths from disease such as influenza, food poisoning, failed childbirth, and other medical maladies are also in decline. Soldiers aren't dying in muddy trenches, nor lingering in shell holes in the middle of no-mans-land.
The world is never going to let the Irish have another famine, so to speak. It was a very corrupted effort, but we chipped in to feed Ethiopia in the 80s. 100 years ago nobody gave a rat's ass about Africa.
So I think it enough to chip away at the edges and call that progress.
SoupGFX ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:44:39 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Troll what? That I believe being the richest man in the world is a shitty title to have when there's so much poverty in the world. This guy wants to be held up on a pedestal when in reality, he's not doing enough to help people and this world.
Wisex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its a shame hes a "douche" considering hes donated well over 20 billion dollars to various charities and has also pledged to give away 95% of his personal fortune to charity, because that guy is such a bad guy am I right? Bill Gates is such a good person its a shame people like you think that just because hes rich hes a bad person.
SoupGFX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit... He hasn't donated well over 20 billion dollars and I've yet to see him give away 95% of his personal fortune to charity. What he does do is donate money to Warren Buffet's charities and WB donates his money to BG's charities. Do you see how that works? If you give me 40 million and you give me 40 million, we both get to write off that donation but we both get to keep our money. It's all a tax write off, money making scheme.
Wisex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 95% is surely a long term thing, but heres bill gates saying he has no use for money that also states that he has donated over $20 billion and that he plans to eradicate polio, and these are the other charities that he supports ALS Association
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
Children's Vaccine Program
Children with AIDS
Comic Relief
Earth Institute
Estamos
Food Bank For New York City
GALVMed
Make A Child Smile Appeal
MASSIVEGOOD
Rotary International
The Lunchbox Fund
Source
So what do you think he should do? Distribute his wealth among the poorest people on the planet? He could feed a billion people for a month and disappear into a middle-class lifestyle. Or he could fund ongoing research to eradicating diseases that have killed billions. Surely you can appreciate that to a philanthropist, having enormous wealth necessitates spending it wisely.
SoupGFX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. That would be a waste of his money. What he could do, is setup more organizations that focus on more worldly issues, like fresh water and global warming. I don't discount his funding on eradicating certain diseases but if you're the richest guy in the world and you have pledged giving away 99% of your wealth, wouldn't you be doing more to see that wealth be put to use in your lifetime???
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Aegisuv ยท 718 points ยท Posted at 21:16:52 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates owns way too many cool hats.
[deleted] ยท 305 points ยท Posted at 00:27:20 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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8bitslime ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 00:49:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How will he ever pay it back?
squateveryday ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 02:59:26 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With a small loan of 1 fortune
pieplate_rims ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:08:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I started this company with this computer... And an 8 million dollar loan from my father.
Get Hard lol
_KKK_ ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 10:20:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, did you just demand an erection from me?
pieplate_rims ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:05:08 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Did it make you feel... Uncomfortable?
_KKK_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No sir. I popped wood and I've had that same boner ever since.
cmad182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever see a hundred women get wet at the same time?
Watch this.
pieplate_rims ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are... Are you going to spray them with th garden hose?
GldRush98 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:22:26 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he'll be alright.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No problem. He can convert the Gold from redditors.
Old_Man_Lucy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:51 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a humble man. He probably owns a lot of unusuals but isn't showing them off.
SkyGuy182 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 02:46:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates plays TF2 confirmed
punktual ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 09:00:30 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He used to play Engineer but now he mostly plays Medic.
BackwardsSnake ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:39:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
underappreciated comment
martymcflyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He รberCharges those heavy issue charities.
lordeddardstark ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:07:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I you're a billionaire and you don't own a ton of cool hats then I don't know what to think of you
ignorant_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently met a celebrity, who is likely the most famous person I will ever meet. The person is also incredibly rich. Guy had the most awesome hat I've ever seen.
AMasonJar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Was he planning to build a mini mall?
suggestionsonly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he keeps his hat guy on retainer.
ericluster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And we have way too many fedora's
INFJ684 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many hours of TF2 he has logged.
dyskid2011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My question is, if he's stuck in a poster board factory, why are there so many hats there?
djblur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This mofo has way too much free time on his hands.
SaltyBabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one where he's holding the "better" sign he's wearing antlers. You can buy them on Amazon for like ~15$. I had to put mine on a head band with hot glue cause they look terrible otherwise.
primeight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Him and Adam Savage
Willch4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be friends with Jamiroquai.
BassVity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:04 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Team Fortress 2 and Gaben superfan.
Nik_Tesla ยท 265 points ยท Posted at 23:44:19 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, I think Bill Gates might be a nerd.
Hizenboig ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:43:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quick, let's give him a swirlie!
_KKK_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna steal his pocket protector. That'll show him.
Duches5 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:28:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its like hes a nerd at heart but on the outside he's a billionaire with too much free time.
codesign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:54 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better a nerd than a mad-scientist. Wouldn't you agree nik if that's your real name?
[deleted] ยท 1396 points ยท Posted at 19:35:57 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, this dude such a badass.
SinaSyndrome ยท 712 points ยท Posted at 20:23:17 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the most loved of the .01%
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 00:17:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Dr_StrangeLovePHD ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:24:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when I was eight the running theory was that he was the Antichrist.
EmperorArthur ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 09:43:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is Bill Gates created a monopoly, and did quite a few questionable things to ensure that position. He's also a large philanthropist. It's shades of grey.
Probably the largest reason for the change in attitude is Microsoft's decline. The company is still large, but they no longer have the clout they used to.
Balls_deep_in_it ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 11:17:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is no longer running the place. He has total fuck you money. He does not need to push anyone around anymore.
gzroff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are definitely approximately 50 shades
acdcfanbill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:26 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, it's pretty easy to be nice to everyone and be generally liked when you've already carved out a piece of the pie so large that dozens of generations of your family are completely set for life.
european_impostor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember this: http://lurkertech.com/bill-the-borg/windoze2495.jpg
"Windoze" lol.
I_W_M_Y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:46 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he did kill my beloved Amiga, I will never forgive him for that.
moneyshift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still is evil incarnate for me. Though he doesn't participate in the daily operation of M$ anymore the company he created is getting worse by the minute and is directly (negatively) impacting my business every day. I submit the whole Win10 spyware / forced-upgrade debacle as evidence.
Bloodysneeze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's pretty extreme. Bill Gates is on the same level as people who commit genocide?
NotAModBro ยท 310 points ยท Posted at 20:39:46 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the only one loved.
[deleted] ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 22:28:06 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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DominarRygelThe16th ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 22:30:05 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nick Hanauer isn't that bad either.
Au_Sand ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 02:24:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I kind of like Elon Musk.
Mayor_North ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 02:55:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I like Tai Lopez!
ingibingi ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:00:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was beautiful
Scarmored ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:07:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Construct additional Pylons!!!"
I fucking lost it
KypAstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found it
rabidcorgi ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:03:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'll always watch this. It's like the buffet warren billionaire says; the more you watch, the more you drive up here in the hollywood hills.
larswo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:22:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I love more than this video? This new lamborghini here.
thratty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TEDx talks where I talk about Warren Buffett in my TEDx talks where I talk about Warren Buffett account
ingibingi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:24 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone seen the kinobody ads, guy seems to have taken a page from the Tia Lopez playbook
cmad182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And my axe!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"and only 47 billion lamborghinis in my lamborghini account"
untitled_redditor ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:30:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Musk and Gates are both heroes of mine. For different reasons.
Tandemmirror ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk is... questionable - certainly, he isn't exactly a mean person, but he's done more stuff that could be construed as bad than Bill Gates does. Elon also risks his money on tech companies that really only contribute to those who can afford it, whereas Bill is very involved in charity and helping people in Africa.
ikemynikes ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 03:19:32 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is necessary that both types exist to move society forward.
thratty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's true but it doesn't mean both kinds of people get to be likeable
Au_Sand ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:12:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone is trying to compare the two.
loginfliggle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:43:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's still plenty of time for Musk or other billionaires to spend their fortune on humanitarian projects. The Gates' have already built their fortunes, and can devote all of their time to make lasting changes in other ways.
magicmellon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:23:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading about him in his biography, it really doesn't sound like him to go and become a charity man later in life- he seems a lot more driven to advance the westerns world technology and advance the ways we live our lives. I guess though, in tern- when we get our lives advanced, all our old tech gets given to the 3rder world, so perhaps...?
Bird-The-Word ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So did Carnegie and Rockefeller early in their lives, but once they became two of the richest in the world and got older, they turned to spending their fortunes on humanitarian projects.
batshitcrazy5150 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it's just the perfect life situation. Spend half of your life becoming super rich. Spend the other half figuring out how to give it away. How cool is that?
Fig1024 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:51:40 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk is cool if you don't have to work for him.
Tandemmirror ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:55:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's what I heard.
CommanderDerpington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:21:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or do business with him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fig1024 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:10:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually kind of like him because he values progress over money. Unfortunately he doesn't put any value on quality of life for his employees. He's just pushing civilization forward, some people like to invest in that
LaughingCryingSmiley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he doesn't invest his own money in those companies.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:29:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has everyone forgotten what Microsoft and Bill Gates did in the 80's and 90's? He was far worse than Elon.
batshitcrazy5150 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:04:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, things haven't always been perfect. I think that's a by product of being a billionaire though. I'm thinking/hoping his foundations work will make up for most of that bullshit in the grand scheme of things.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:53:37 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So as long as you use a portion of your ill-gotten gains for good you are totally redeemed. Makes sense.
_Otakaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he should have no means of redemption?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I steal 100$ from bill, then donate 10$ to charity, am I redeemed?
_Otakaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He's not just giving money back though, it's being used to help better the lives of people around the world.
He's also not just donating to charity but creating foundations to further work towards solving specific problems. He has also stated he intends to have the majority of his wealth used towards philanthropic means by the time he and his wife die.
I dunno, to me it just seems like he's done a little more than just give back 10% of what he got through less than honorable means.
Decolater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:42:24 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they have. But I like a good redemption story. Its a modern version of A Charles Dickens story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't he also a huge dick to his ex-wife?
kmofosho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming you mean things like Tesla?
The point of Tesla for example isn't to make super sweet electric sport cars, the point of it is more to spur R&D in the electric car industry as a whole, leading to advancements in things like energy storage/ transmission within the automotive industry so they can eventually get to the point where electric cars are on par with the combustion equivalent.
it's right here in their mission statement :
I believe this same principle is applied when considering any of the things Elon Musk is doing/ trying to do/ contributed to.
not saying the stuff he does is entirely his idea or that he is the only one working towards these goals nor am denying that he does things at least partially out of his own financial interest.
CommanderDerpington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elon smells funny.
kangarooninjadonuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:04 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that Bill Gates was hatched ten years ago a fully formed billionaire? He was the poster child for unfair business practices throughout the 80's and 90's. The dude strangled competition and shit all over our laws to get where he is today.
loi044 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:04 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Examples of this?
friendly_capitalist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:31 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what has elon done that can be considered "bad"?
Tandemmirror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:50 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa dude, I almost forgot about this comment. It's nice that you're curious, but if you actually want to find out what kind of stuff he's done you'll have to look at the replies to my post. I'm not too sure myself, and I'm mostly for Elon, but people have told me he's a real pain in the ass to work with, and he's done some excessive things for his business.
TheJollyLlama875 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gates did plenty of shitty stuff to get his fortune, don't forget.
malenkylizards ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:24:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tech is something where the trickle-down effect actually works though, innit? I mean, any new tech is going to be expensive, but the more development goes on, the cheaper it gets over time.
Just compare the $2500 1 MP digital camera the size of a breadbox from 1999 with the shitty little 5 MP digital camera the size of a pea from 2016, as an afterthought thrown into a $200 netbook...or, you know, anything else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:08 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk is going to turn out to be a Bond villain. Just you wait and see.
Grizzly_Berry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:48:20 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Mark Cuban is kinda cool.
The_Collector4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:04:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the Koch Brothers
RunMoustacheRun ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:24 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are there people out there who don't like Elon Musk?
ThrowawayGooseberry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:53:30 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Besides those in the oil business?
If you happen to be in a selected important project of his. Where quite a vital part of sacrafices and discovered know-how were made, and someone did not fulfill their end of the non-contractal part. Not saying all his projects are like that.
Gates is okay in the end, because he robbed, stole, American-style businessed from a number of the software/IT businesses, and gave quite a large chunk of it to the non-first-world poor-class. He was the more brutal but nicer Jobs, with a bit more on the giving back part.
Gates is certainly nicer to some of his own people than Jobs. Knows at least one person willingly worked to death in MS for him, not so for Jobs. Considering the style of security Apple have, not really surprised that is how the thing with NSA turned out. All PR and damage control now imho, since the election is so close.
Btw, who is this Torvalds dude? Never heard of him. /s
Ian Murdock, nothing to see here. /s
Also a lot of the technical founders did not get strong-armed out of their position by non technical people who don't know anything technical. /s
So in this respect, Gates is not bad, and Jobs at least did not stong-arm Woziak, he only strong-armed others. And both of them actually earned their billions, with actual somewhat useful things, and legally regardless of how. All this will get buried anyway, with a lot of other things.
"#L-to-E-RatioMatters, actual engineers too.
koloup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:50:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I've never seen this before and it's amazing, thank you. I've been trying to reach a lot of conservative family members about the need for this exact taxation issue, propagated similarly by Sanders, but they haven't listened to "socialism." Hearing it from a one percenter might be what they finally need to understand, so again thanks
DominarRygelThe16th ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:53:46 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No problem, if your family and friends are farmers or live in a rural area, check out this 2 minute video of a farmer telling you why he's voting for Bernie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPomvCsDp0
Fattswindstorm ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 22:54:18 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I personally don't hate the Koch's nearly as much as the rest of this website does.
edit: ah reddit you never cease to amaze me in your hive-mindedness. I never even said i liked them, just i didn't hate them as much. amazing.
DominarRygelThe16th ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:08:47 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason I can never respect the Koch brothers is their stance on climate change. They have actively opposed climate science in order to make more money and have dealt (possibly irreparable) direct damage to our only planet, there is no chance I can respect them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family
Fattswindstorm ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:21:27 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i mean i respect that opinion you hold, although i think those sources of Greenpeace and Salon are a little worrisome since they tend to be pretty far left of center. I'm just saying that the Koch's are always given a bad rep on their dealings with political donations while reddit wholly ignores the liberal billionaires like George Soros.
i'm not saying i'm a fan of the Koch's, i'm against the citizen united decision. But they do tend to fund libertarian leaning candidates, which i happen to agree with, but i just so happen to know anthropomorphic climate change is happening. Just saying i don't hate them as much as the rest of reddit.
DominarRygelThe16th ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:03 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I accept that criticism, but can you expect the major media sources to report that? I mean seriously the Washington Post (supposed to be a liberal media source owned by Jeff Bezos[Libertarian worth 50+ billion]) runs 16 anti sanders ads in 16 hours.
Nearly every media outlet has ties to politicians so you're forced to look to media outlets with no ties to the establishment.
Here's an article from TheGuardian
Here is the actual GreanPeace study with sources.
Trust me, I have my qualms with George Soros but we were only talking about the Koch Brothers so I didn't mention them.
Fattswindstorm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:48 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i only brought up George soros to defend my position on it. The Washington post has more conservative leaning articles then a majority of other papers. The Guardian is a better source.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like you actually agree climate change is real.. wasnt sure where would be the right place to comment here but since you made me think of it.. whenever the argument comes up.. i always go back to this. what is the solution that people who are screaming about climate change are pushing for? less pollution. i think, no matter what your stance on climate change, it would be hard to argue that pollution is a good thing. maybe you dont agree it is changing the climate.. ok.. but our way of life is killing our oceans, destroying entire ecosystems by clear cutting, reducing the quality of the air we breathe and the water we drink, and the list goes on.. pollution in every form, from solid waste to carbon emissions to chemical runoff, is killing this planet.. i would argue that yes, in fact, climate change is also happening, but it is only part of the bigger picture of how we are destroying this planet and nobody talks about the rest of the effects of human impact on global ecosystems
Fattswindstorm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:32:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i studied geoscience so i look at the environment a little differently in terms of time. for example our oceans are rising at a slower rate then other times in the geological record. we are moving from an ice house to a green house and have been since the pleistocene. is the burning of fossil fuels increasing this movement. yes. is the solution to ban fossil fuels, hell no, then you turn what is scientifically necessary to curb anthropomorphic climate change acceleration into a political movement which means in 4 years you get a new regime hell bent on getting those lost oil jobs back with maybe a worse deal. i personally believe the best solution is nuclear energy. yes you have to worry about the waste, but that waste can be stored safely if done with proper for sight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why not wind and solar? for example, Siemens divested much of their nuclear investment and diverted to wind power and it has been a huge success. i dont really have a problem with nuclear either though.. the new nuclear plant technology is vastly superior to the plants that were built 50 years ago. it can all work together. that all being said, what do you think about all the myriad other ways we are destroying the ecosystems of the earth? my whole point above was kindof along the lines of climate change is too much of the fucus and we arent working on reducing pollution for the right reasons. we should be protecting fisheries and keeping the oceans clean, keeping the forests intact and the rivers clean so that we can utilize those resources for generations to come.. but we arent doing that. all i hear about is greenhouse gas emmissions and nothing about industrial waste, chemical runoff from mass agricultural operations, plastics clogging our oceans, over fishing, decimation of rainforests etc.
Fattswindstorm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i did a back of the envelope calculation last year using the latest figures i could find on energy usage and the energy the best solar panels could collect and it came out that in order to keep up with amount of energy we use from one year to the next. so just that acceleration little bit not the total amount, it would require the best commercially available solar panel the size of Arizona, with the amount of sunlight Arizona gets. That's just for the US. Nobody aside from people in the industry realize how much copper wind turbines take. not just for building the generator, but all those turbines need to go to one location to enter the grid. So if you are really pro copper mines then wind power is great. but i'm from Montana and like i said earlier, studied geoscience, i know what kind of impact copper mining has on water systems. just look at the Berkley Pit
I'm a huge fan of protecting fisheries and it may come as a surprise but thats why i'm a fan of GMO farming. because GMO's utilize land more efficiently than organic farms (more plants per acre), you are able to use less fertilizer per plant so you have less Nitrogen entering estuaries, more nitrogen changes the Redfield ratio inviting phytoplankton growth which in turn causes redtide and hypoxia in gulf waters killing coral and fisheries due to the lack of oxygen.
i mean this is a very difficult ethical dilema where you have to choose between whats best for the planet and whats best for people. aside for using Eugenics, i don't know of a good answer.
I will say i'm confident that after we humans die off, the earth will still be a thriving ecosystem. maybe she'll kill us off with a super flu of some kind. maybe the sun will cause a high energy EMP destroying all our electronics killing off billions of people in just a few months. who knows.
jaredlen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:16 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Less pollution" is really putting a very complex issue in a tiny box. Everything you are talking about, deforestation, ocean acidification, carbon emissions, etc, are all either major contributors to or a result of global warming. Global warming is the big picture, the effects that you described are pieces of the puzzle, that will be greatly exacerbated as the climate continues to change. Everything that we do, and all of the changes that we need to make to agricultural, natural resource exploitation, etc., are to help mitigate the effects of global warming.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm saying is that they shouldn't be done for that sole reason alone. We don't need to stop clear cutting just because it is important to stop global warming. We need to stop clear cutting also because it destroys ecosystems. Same goes for over fishing and polluting rivers. I agree with you about copper mining and wind turbines as well. I think most mining is terrible for the environment but I know some of it is just unavoidable. I think we should be working at all levels to lessen our impact on the natural world and learn how to use it in a more balanced and sustainable way. We have to use the resources of the earth to maintain our quality of life and to progress as a species. I think we have been on a runaway unchecked march of progress since the industrial revolution and we just keep going without any regard for our impact on the earth. Yes climate change is a part of this but it doesn't have to be the only focus of discussion when it comes to better managing our planet
Geofferic ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:40:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an actual, for real, idiot.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:47:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Explain, please.
Entrarchy ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:16:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't think that entrepreneurs create jobs.
DominarRygelThe16th ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:19:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They technically don't. It's a system of supply and demand, not just supply side economics. Entrepreneurs can create jobs if they like, but hiring employees is a last resort for entrepreneurs, only used when demand requires it. Therefore it is the people who shop at businesses that are the real job creators. Demand will always create more jobs than supply.
Trickle down has been proven ineffective over and over again.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:38:57 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Entrepreneurs drive innovation that create demand for products and services. THEY ARE the job creators.
And many times, products and services, that do supply jobs, don't even make it to market for customers to purchase.
Entrepreneurs are very VERY important for the economy, health and safety of any nation.
AngelPortal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Typical consumers donโt know what they want until they see it. It takes innovators to dream, design and deliver the goods. Then, if demand is there โฆjobs will be created.
MiyamotoKnows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be with you if this word was inventors. Inventing has been stifled however in the name of large companies using excessive litigation to tie anything newly created to legacy IP. Down with patent trolls!
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah..okay. I see your point.
Not sure what we call guys like Jobs, and Gates, and Mr. Facebook. Maybe they are both. Same thing with Mr. Amazon. I can't see how the government had anything to do with the start and growth of Amazon.
Traditional inventors are...well...often not the sort of people that know how to start and run a business.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually wrong. It is the Government that drives innovation. They do it through anti-trust laws and market regulation, as well as research funding through science and military. The single greatest innovation of the 20th century is the internet, created by the department of defense. Now, the private sector is important in making it available to the general public, at a nice profit of course.
AngelPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, here is the deal. Iโve led innovations in government, the private sector and education. Government can create a playing field and referee the play, but it is the individual participants that make the expansion of opportunity actually work โฆthat is because the players are willing to take risks and government does not. The โthe private sectorโ is made up of many players, most of whom will not become very profitable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh dear lord...
NEVERDOUBTED ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No..the government does not do jack shit.
The government is not responsible for the creation of Apple, Microsoft...etc. A further example, they did build or fund or support the 747.
They might "allow" it, and often they don't, but there's no way in hell you're going to convince me that those dumb shits take any responsibility for the majority of the innovation that we have.
Now..that said, sometimes things come from the universities, and yes, very seldom, from a grant. Maybe from NASA, and maybe from war efforts, both of which have little do with the products that we use day to day.
But the real reason for innovation comes from the person that wants to make change and wants to make money.
Nice try.
SimbaOnSteroids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't seem to know jack shit about the invention of the computer or jet engine.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jet engine was mostly developed in the U.K. by a dude that went against the odds to develop the concept. No government came to him and said, "here's some money to build a new type of engine". He drove the concept of the idea 100%.
Now...I give you that the government can take some credit because of money spent on wars/defense that help to fund advancements in engine design, but by no means did they directly fund or provide grants to develop the engine technology currently in use in today's commercial jets. I mean, when Boeing developed the 747 the government was no where in site, which includes what it took to develop the engine spec that Boeing requested from P&W.
And same thing with IC chips. Maybe the government had some early super computer stuff going on, but the move from tubes to chips was mostly Fairchild. And then it was guys like Job and Woz putting stuff together in their garage.
Show me any assistance or hand-me-downs via the government that helped to create or build Apple. Even when Apple was in the shitter, the government did nothing.
powellm18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not /u/quellian, but I think what he is trying to say is that in the United States, a majority of the technology adapted and put to use by companies today would not be possible without government funding. While the "government" is not a creator, it is an investor. University grants, DARPA, NASA etc. all play a key role in giving engineers and subsequently entrepreneurs the capital needed to create, embed, and distribute much of the state of the art tech available to the consumer today.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:13:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Okay...give me some examples of this.
Show/tell me how Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft, HP, Intel, Whole Foods, Amazon...etc. had anything to do with their success because of a government grant and anything government.
Maybe a company like Tesla. I'd buy that one. Maybe some solar stuff. You could argue that DNA/RNA research was government funded. But certainly few biotech.
But I live, work and breathe right in the middle of the Bay Area and I can tell you, the government here is a nuisance. It doesn't do jack shit to help any of these guys and gals working their butts off to start and run a business. We have a lot of guys and gals that come out of Stanford, but...other than being a non-profit, they had to pay for their education.
Even the very government agency that should be helping small business does little. Yes, you SBA.
What the government is good at is creating laws and regulations and taxing the living snot out of everything/everyone.
powellm18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:26 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look man, I was just trying to explain the other dudes comment. I worked for a 3 man subcontracting company for six years before I had to quit because of school, I understand how businesses under 50-30 employees get fucked.
However, what I was attempting to help explain was the fact that government funded tech eventually works its way into entrepreneurs or large companies hands. Did the government create apple or google? Fuck no it didn't, but Google came about through a research grant from the National Science Association. Apple's Siri and the internet came through DARPA.
I mean, the fact that we are having a stupid internet argument about this is a credit to DARPA's funding MIT students.
Hear me out. Companies like Whole Foods, John Doe's Landscaping, or your local deli, tailor or whomever are the backbone of any society from a standpoint based in GDP/C or socioeconomics. Yet, those aren't the companies getting funded by the Govt. it just has to do with mutual interest.
My general view of it is that aspiring tech entrepenuers/engineers/innovators simply align with the government's in that they both strive to create and distribute new tech. The government does it to stay ahead/for "defense", where as the entrepreneur wishes to make a profit by distributing at a consumer level.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm cool with that, and I get that.
I'm just defending the guy and gal that sticks their neck out to create something. How they then go about it, grants or not, is something else.
These are very VERY special people in my book...and by no means would I ever say that the government drives innovation, and they certainly have nothing to do with the work that it takes to start and run a business to make these products and services happen.
Most businesses fail or succeed solely for one reason - that one person behind the wheel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple, Microsoft - all dependent on computer chips, developed by the British Defense Department. The ancestors of programming languages used in their software was developed on were largely developed at public universities. The communication network over which they communicate was largely funded by the government.
Boeing - Largely still around because of DOD contracts.
ANY product you name today will have its roots in the government either funding parts or its ancestors.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point that it takes a person to start and drive any business. That is the sole reason why these companies happen.
Yes, they may borrow or adapt some technology. Even Henry Ford did that. But, as with Henry Ford, and FoMoCo, the government didn't have anything to do with the hard work and drive that made that company what it was and is.
That said, what about Amazon? What about Facebook? Uber? Sales Force? What the hell...Red Bull. Lego? Pixar? I mean...most likely 90% of the companies out there, big and small, got their start with nothing to do with anything related to any government involvement.
mirroredfate ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, somebody on reddit doesn't know what they're talking about again.
DominarRygelThe16th ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:33 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't believe it? Look it up. But you'd rather just shitpost.
NeokratosRed ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:36:03 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the Buffet Warren billionaire says
Charliefaplin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has got to be the funniest fucking thing I have ever seen. OH MY GOD Hahahahahaha
change1378 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KNAAAWWLIDGE
eixan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:03 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
warren buffet's more complicated. He disowned his adopted daughter
Here's a comment on the shades of grey that is warren buffet
bgog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not defending him but I'm sure there is something to his side of the story. He paid for her college education and then she appears to have become a hippie, so maybe there were some bad feelings there or fights that were had.
Again not saying he's good or bad, just saying it is easy to take what was likely a very complicated and drawn out situation and boil it down into a headline.
greenearrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is sad when a family breaks up, but this also wasn't adopting an orphan or kid from foster care and then tossing her away because she had baggage (which I have seen happen). Family drama isn't something that can be easily judged accurately from the outside.
placebotwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can have a boner without love.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:21 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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nonconformist3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:44:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would party with him. Not sure about anything else.
ProWaterboarder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:15:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Cuban is a pretty good guy in my opinion
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:29:55 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Slanderous ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:54:08 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a pretty ruthless businessman in his prime, I guess now he can afford to be nice.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he has paid off his debts to society with his philanthropy.
diamond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So can the Koch Brothers, but all they're doing with their money is buying elections and trying to bury the future.
thishitisgettingold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are not driven and ruthless when you are a businessman. You will never get the chance to be a great philathophist. Thats how i look at it.
Think of it this way. If he wasnt ready to step on someone's throat to afvance his business. He would have never made money. And if didnt have money. He wouldnt have been able to do any charity work.
Atermel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows, but if you fake it by spending millions in research to help people, then keep on faking.
escaped_reddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
.01% is underestimating Bill Gate's net worth.
SinaSyndrome ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:31:44 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really underestimating his wealth. Even if he's part of the 0.0000001%, he's part of the 0.01% too.
Fulmersbelly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:03 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.
- Mitch Hedberg
TunnelSnake88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:40 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys aren't giving him enough credit, he is at least part of the top 100%
LK_LK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what?
Clocktease ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:04:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lets use less zeroes.
if he is in the top 1%, he is also in the top 10%.
if he is in the top 10%, he isnt necessarily in the top 1%.
SinaSyndrome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I saw your comment before I replied. I like your example better.
bstandturtle7790 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:59 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he only replied to explain your reply, which in its own was sufficient
SinaSyndrome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually replied to LK_LK's comment as well, trying to give my own explanation. Clocktease just made a faster reply, which I found to be easier to understand anyways. link
SinaSyndrome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
0.0000001 is smaller than 0.01. Which means if Bill Gates is part of the 0.0000001%, it can also be said he is part of the 0.01% or even the 1%.
lordeddardstark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The very, very, very rich are also a part of the very rich and the very, very rich
GuiKa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You meant 0.00000001%
dplhollands ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:50:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you mean 0.000000001%?
Working: Forbes claims he's still the wealthiest man on earth.
7bn peeps on earth.
1/7bn = 1.42... x 10-10
So we move the decimal point 10 places to the left making him technically part of the 0.000000000142...% (9 leading zeroes as jumping over the 1 used up a leading zeroes). But we want it in the format 0.00...01%, so we need to knock off a zero (as e.g the bottom 0.0142% is within the 0.1%). Giving us 0.000000001% (eight leading zeroes). :).
Jalfrezi. :)
Fig1024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure he's at least .0001%
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't use to be
1UPZ_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:57 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
0.01%?
That includes doctors, engineers and surgeons etc... Anyone earning over 100K USD.
Bill Gates and other billionaires are in the 0.00001% i would assume.
YoniTGF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone earning $100k isn't even in the top 1%, let alone the top 0.01%. You have to be making/have over $10 million to be in the top 0.01% in the US.
Magrias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because of how hard he seems to try to not be in that group. Dude spends a lot of his money on helping other people.
mreeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is literally the 0.00000000001%
Uberzwerg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a position that you don't need to write about percents.
He is not in the top (.0)1% - he is in the top 1.
EightsOfClubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:32 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... I find this hilarious.
He's like, the Jaime Lannister of real life with that Heel-Face turn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:44 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
isn't he the 0.00000001th something percent?
zombiearclight ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:40 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question: why? I mean I know he's now giving away all his money and has this charitable foundation - but he was the bad guy when I was growing up.
To my understanding, he ruthlessly wiped out competitors and was trying his darndest to set up a monopoly. He got at least some of that money by doing unfair/unethical things. Can you just be a nice guy in your golden years and suddenly it's all good?
bizness_kitty ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 23:50:18 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If people can idolize Steve Jobs they can absolutely idolize Bill Gates.
Sometimes the ends do justify the means, and Bill Gates embodies someone who was ruthless in the business world like countless others were but instead of hoarding the wealth he acquired he decided it would be better to further the human race. You don't have to necessarily like him to respect his contributions to progress.
They_call_me_skippa ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:55:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right.
Gates was an arsehole to his competitors while Jobs was an arsehole to his employees.
I know who Id rather work for.
shiny_dunsparce ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:14:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and his friends, and his family
_thedarkknight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm mean he never almost acknowledged his own daughter! How long did it take?! Your own fucking daughter!
Those people go to a special type of hell.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Therefore it must've sucked to be an Apple employee.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you hung out with Wozinak.
holdenashrubberry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:04:37 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and no. He doesn't just give money away. he uses it to effect public policy to reflect his vision regardless of what the people want. Many of his ideas about education for instance are just wrong, the great results expected never happen but the changes he wants do. Basically among other things he is successfully privatizing the education system which is fine for rich people.
THE_CHOPPA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here we go! Can I see a source? This sounds much more realistic and interesting!
holdenashrubberry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:24:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bill-gates-pulled-off-the-swift-common-core-revolution/2014/06/07/a830e32e-ec34-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html
http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique
http://newint.org/features/2012/04/01/bill-gates-charitable-giving-ethics/
You can just google Bill Gates criticism and there is no shortage. People think he's an Angel and he's more like a friendly mobster. You're on the team and will be protected, as long as you do everything he says.
Why any normal person would get all fuzzy over a fucking billionaire is beyond me. As people struggle to find work and pay bills they think he's a hero. It's like thanking a guy who just stole ten dollars from you for "giving" you five bucks.
AngelPortal ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:59:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not respect the fact that when he was being a businessman he was ruthless perhaps, but that is what business is all about. If you donโt want to play the game, stay on the sideline. Now, he has the luxury to contemplate the greater realities of the universe and world issues. Kudos to him for his focus on trying to do the right thing. If there is anything true about life it is that things and people change, because they cannot remain the same โฆIโm just glad Bill Gates is who he is today. We need more like him.
ball_gag3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:27:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this. If your aren't a ruthless businessman you'll never grow a company to the size of Microsoft.
zombiearclight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeahhh...if the government has to step in and bring a legal case against you to get you to behave ethically...that's unconscionable behavior in my book. Glad you find it admirable though. Clearly it's making the world a better place.
AngelPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did not say that I โadmireโ ruthless behavior. I do not make a โgoodโ businessperson because I try to live an ethical life. But I do recognize that the reality of the game of business is brutal, not unlike warโฆwhich humankind has a habit of repeating (unfortunately). What I do see as admirable is when a general retires from battle and works to help the wounded. That shows character development. Bill Gates did not dispute the general tone of the โPirates of Silicon Valley.โ And BTW, government is no litmus test of virtue eitherโฆall too often government is playing out their own special interests, as we see in the current political events. Yes, business innovation has made life โbetterโ for many. What we need to change is the general sociopathic attitude of the human species, still rooted in our reptilian brain fragments.
zombiearclight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:40 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. And I believe businesses should be competitive. Intensely when necessary. But there's healthy competition and there's take everything you can get up to the letter of the law...and maybe fudge that a little. I feel like there's space between the two...and part of being a great business leader is having the courage to make that call when it matters.
As for government, no argument that they don't always represent the 'right' side. I believe they did in the Microsoft antitrust suit.
AngelPortal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are in agreement. In my opinion, we would live in a much healthier world if a doctrine of fairness was respected by all, including shareholders, as the most important guiding business and government principle. Let us hope that we evolve into that type of mindset, sooner rather than later, if we are to survive as a species.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:26:54 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very valid points. People aren't praising the man he was, but the man he has become. You're very right that it doesn't excuse things, but it certainly adds to the other side of the scale. At this point, the general consenus is that he has more than made up for that.
minecraft_ece ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thus proving the point that you can buy your way into heaven.
ikescurvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's giving away his money now, and back in the day where he was a ruthless business man and putting the hurt on the tech industry that was realistically the norm. Everyone would have done the same if they had the chance that Bill did. It was the wild west, and I don't fault him for being the best gunslinger.
tvent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:51 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So? Dude wanted to be on top. Do you not want to be on top?
holdenashrubberry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:06:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an oligarch in a democracy. He's not a good guy, people are just amazed how much he "donates" to charity while forgetting how things like interest work. Put a billion in the bank and take a nap, wow you just made a million bucks.
RonDonVolante92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hes like the 2nd to 3rd richest person out of 7 billion. Someone do the math
Slim_Charles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:42:32 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's still #1 according to Forbes.
RudBoy1018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates and The Mexican Guy ( Don't know his name) have been battling for #1 spot for over a decade.
RonDonVolante92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ya if i remember correctly its the owner of a big oil company in Mexico, so im sure the guy was hit hard by plummeting prices, putting Gates at 1
nonconformist3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:43:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My vote is for Musk.
Chase1126 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk
themanwhopickedleft ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:39:07 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man he really is! Trust me i know him I am the real Don Cheadle, but you can call me Robert Xbox.
TheyKilledCorbin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:58 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Bill Gate.
root88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:08 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/whitepeoplegifs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can it be made official that gates is a cool dude?
RussellManiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should start a campaign to get him elected President instead of ALL the douchewads currently running (seriously, NONE of the current candidates of either party deserve to be President)
PM_ME_ANYTHING_FUN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:34 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
said Noone in early mid 90s.... but yes, I love this guy. He's a Saint.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should I remind you that mr beloved Billy Gates tried to actively stop the development of the fucking Internet back in the late 90's? Or are you too young to remember or willfully ignorant?...
Dialthetrekwarsgate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:49:58 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what a cutie :D
Balthanos ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:57:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so exactly? I think any one of us who has the amount of money and resources he does would think he's doing piss poor.
TheOldGods ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:54 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. What would you do differently?
Balthanos ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:10:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd introduce competition back into the computing world. I'd trash Windows 10 and create a new operating system that actually functions as an OS instead of a data collection system.
LemonHerb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:59:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know he hasn't run Microsoft for a long time now right.
agareo ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 20:19:51 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
steve jobs BTFO
G0PACKGO ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 22:53:58 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How long until someone photoshops one of the screens saying he is giving all his money away if you like and share it
Duches5 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:29:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that was on my facebook feed two days ago
filiped ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:33:03 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
twitch
Stink_Snake ยท 468 points ยท Posted at 19:55:41 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talk about rehabilitating his image. The internet HATED Bill Gates for so long.
Chillaxbro ยท 610 points ยท Posted at 20:47:46 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could you hate this guy?!
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Bill Gates jumping over a chair like a gangster
Bill Gates leaping over a chair, with a gangster twist
*I do not own the rights to any material in this video*
fade_like_a_sigh ยท 290 points ยท Posted at 22:52:56 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Knew what the link was immediately without clicking it.
Real OG.
abXcv ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 14:14:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was expecting this tbh.
Spyhop ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:08:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How have I not seen this?
BeardedGirl ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 00:40:16 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That reporter was fucking hot for Bill after that.
YESSS!
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:30:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's Connie Chung. Mad TV had great parodies of her.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:08:26 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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lYossarian ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 08:01:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
?
Dink means "dual-income, no kids" and was often applied to "career women". Is there some other meaning I'm unfamiliar with?
antiraysister ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He meant chink.
essential_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tricia Takanawa inspiration
eeyore134 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First Dr. Ruth is "that person's doctor" and now Connie Chung is "that reporter". This is what getting old is.
Pennypacking ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:43:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They hate this guy
gerrywastaken ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 22:57:02 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was mostly the way he made his money and the things Microsoft did while he was in charge. e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt#Microsoft
He has recently added to the confusion regarding the encryption debate: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/3559f46e-d9c5-11e5-98fd-06d75973fe09.html
However the post MS Bill Gates is a very different person and much more likeable.
14489553421138532110 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 03:49:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People have to remember, running a business isn't running a charity. He's there to make money. The board members don't care how he does it, as long as he does.
gerrywastaken ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 05:21:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People have to remember, just because a company has to make money, it doesn't mean we should approve of anything they do to get there.
14489553421138532110 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:57:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to approve, but 'hating' a ceo because of things the company does is kind of silly. Of course the company will do the things it needs to do to make lots of money.
drunkenvalley ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:25:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing silly about hating a CEO for making money. It's silly to have such a romantic view of businesses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We should not put business on the same scale as humanity. But if we want to solve that problem, we should perhaps start teaching children that capitalism isnt all that great.
14489553421138532110 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 09:11:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While you're at it, you should go and hate the butcher for killing animals.
drunkenvalley ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:25:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make sense.
14489553421138532110 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 09:29:33 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're blaming one guy for something he didn't directly do.
drunkenvalley ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:39:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd blame the butcher if he was actively torturing the animals. He doesn't. A company and its CEO are not excused for its complete absence of a moral compass.
14489553421138532110 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:03 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CEO makes money > "Omg how dare he"
Butcher kills animals > "Nah bro, u good"
drunkenvalley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:21:34 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do less drugs if you want to make your point.
SiFixD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:27:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't even remotely the same thing, you can exist as a business without resorting to inhumane practices, companies like nestle shouldn't be excused of using child labour and slavery simply because they're making money, there's a definite line in which a company is no longer using morally acceptable practices and a butcher doesn't even come close simply because he supplies meat.
14489553421138532110 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:54 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you wouldn't be defending nestle if you knew they promoting the privatization of water.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-privatisation-of-water-nestle-denies-that-water-is-a-fundamental-human-right/5332238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfy6LL-8sTg
The fact is, almost any 'big business' is doing things you wouldn't approve of. That doesn't mean you go around 'hating the ceo'. Not only is it not always them doing this 'horrible thing', but it's not always something they're even aware of.
SiFixD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:24:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can what i said in any way lead you to believe i'm defending nestle's business practices? I literally used them as an example of a truly disgusting business, but clearly our opinions differ around the point that you believe a CEO, the face of a company and one of the largest beneficiaries, isn't accountable for the goings on within his own business, where as i believe they are.
14489553421138532110 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A ceo is there to make money. They are not there to micromanage every little detail.
I would challenge you to micromanage every detail of a fortune 500 company with 10's of thousands of employees.
SiFixD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:24:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that it's your job doesn't inherently make everything you do perfectly moral and acceptable, you yourself called out nestle above for arguing that water isn't a basic human right, so you obviously understand that's immoral, and not excused by the fact that it's his job to do so.
14489553421138532110 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:54:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called out the nestle CEO for personally believing that water isn't a human right. I don't call him out for his business practices.
lolkaepernick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime I unhide these thread arguments I enjoy seeing the person on the minority end become less and less capable of handling their opinion being questioned, to the end that they become more or less incoherent.
It always ends in that person rattling off an insult or two, or calling the other side stupid, then leaving for good as they have lost but cannot accept that they aren't better than everyone else.
Best get to work winning a fight on one of the other randomly generated names you've got. It'll make you feel better.
14489553421138532110 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:14:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still making my point. You're sitting here insulting me. You do realize you just insulted yourself too, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:48 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The company was convicted of this, and it is a crime. I'd argue the Netscape thing was very tame compared to what they had done previously as well.
sellyme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It helps that he also runs a charity.
TheArtificialAmateur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:05:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Also since he was the father of proprietary software.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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eixan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:31:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
one of the commentors on that article mighty joe said this
gerrywastaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNKtwAGvqc
Unless you are a programmer who has worked with systems like this it's very difficult to understand the issues here. Bill gates is seen as such a person, yet he didn't mention any of the issues described in the video above, which he should have.
I get a sense that this is more of a reflection on Microsoft's history of dealing with the government. A case of, well we had to add back doors so why shouldn't you. Although that's just a guess as to why he is one of few in this area who are not on the same side as Apple in this argument.
SANAFABICH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got nothing on Tony.
scullytheFed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was asking the hard hitting questions in that interview
ctrl_all_del ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was going to be this.
LastInitial ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:51:28 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Why?
denpo ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 22:36:18 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He crushed a couple of company with pretty nasty moves :
Digital Research, Beos, Netscape of what I know, there's probably others.
They also got caught stealing Stac's compression filesystem.
And if you ever had to deal with browser compatibility as a web programmer or designer, you probably still know why Bill Gate the 90's business man can be hated.
MildlySerious ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 22:58:16 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a web developer and hate Microsoft with a passion.
Still, I don't know how anyone could hate Bill Gates.
denpo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:51:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering the bad moves related to web standard started while he was still in command, he's kind of related.
That doesn't prevent me from admiring his work outside Microsoft.
internetpersondude ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:16:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he made Microsoft do those things. Being a "nice guy" privately doesn't excuse the former.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 02:55:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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THE_CHOPPA ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:31:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how did he do it unethically? I am generally curious!
erikpurne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:41:46 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean genuinely* curious.
THE_CHOPPA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:20 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
o crap lol .
THE_CHOPPA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:31:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
But how did he do it unethically? I am generally curious!
Edit: nvm! Jesus he was an asshole .
tissn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wasisChesterakos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also a Web Developer and now I hate Apple because of Safari. IE is not a pain anymore.
deman910 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:54:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From /u/doc_block:
umbrellabranch ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 03:19:20 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Steve Jobs biography, he confirmed Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy. Jobs went to Gates and said, "Look, you know that we are going to win this case and you are going to owe us a crap load of money. I know this, you know this. But Apple isn't going to last more than 3 months before hitting bankruptcy. I know this, you know this. So let's settle for non-voting stocks and agreement to port Microsoft Office." Apple needed cash to extend their lifeline and Microsoft didn't want to pay up a billion, so it was a compromise on both sides.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A billion dollars? Really? You need to post sources for this whole thing I think, that seems a bit out there for the 90s. That and I'm more keen to believe Microsoft would tell them to go fuck themselves unless everyone is far more buddy-buddy than business than I thought.
umbrellabranch ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:19:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjackson/2012/03/01/steve-jobs-used-patents-to-get-bill-gates-to-make-1997-investment-in-apple/#14206d725d6a
also keep in mind that at this time Microsoft was being hit by anti-trust lawsuits by the government. It was Microsoft's advantage to keep Apple afloat.
Balls_deep_in_it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:25:37 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh Anti-Trust puppets. Just like AMD is for Intel now.
Fortune_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does Ms still have ownership in apple? I.e. every time someone bags out windows phone on their way to the apple store...Microsoft is still winning right?
umbrellabranch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i believe so. apple and microsoft worked together and tried to eliminate the "they have to lose in order for us to win" type mentality. the fight was fed via media. that's not to say they weren't competitiveย or didn't feel that way at one point, but as you can see, microsoft has a stake in apple so that they win together. jobs also started helping google (and vice versa) too at the end of his life, who they got sour on after they introduced android. not stock investment, but just general mentorship
Fortune_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the one thing about apple I never hear about. Every tech company one way or another has a general vision to help the betterment of humanity. Apple doesn't have a change the world motto. It's strange but not surprising
umbrellabranch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
steve jobs' biography is pretty good at explaining it. steve's (by extension, apple's) motto is to make the best products possible. he gets a lot of bad rap for overpricing items, closing things off, being a greedy asshole, nazi, etc, but when you read the brutally honest book, you realize he was only focused on making great products. he never cared about anything else (philanthropy, money, making world a better place, market share, etc) because it wasn't on his radar. Wonderful products (apple, pixar) was his way of giving to the world.
Fortune_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also seems to care about profit
umbrellabranch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
again, i know it's hard to believe that anything corporate is not 100% after profit, but i think steve jobs profit was not his sole objective. in many ways, profit was a means to his goal, to make better products. anyways, people will believe what they want to believe. but it was clear that he turned down many opportunities to milk the cow because it didn't meet his goal of making a better product.
Spinkler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:30 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to closed ecosystems like iOS, nobody wins. :P
ComputerOverwhelming ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:45:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair as a consumer we also benefited from some of it as well.
Since Microsoft had deep pockets to out due to competition we got the products for cheaper or even free (IE). Because of that today I bet 99% of the populous if you asked them would you pay for Chrome, Firefox or Edge (IE) they would say "No, why would I its always been free"
brilliantjoe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:40:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing how in none of those examples did the smaller companies cover their asses. They just jumped into bed with Microsoft looking to either get rich or make a name for themselves.
It's easy to make Microsoft look like they were doing all kind of underhanded things to these small companies, but no one forced Spyglass to word their contract as a percentage of profits, they did that because they wanted to get rich off of Microsoft and they got nailed for it.
The Quicktime thing was good business, Microsoft leveraged a company for their knowledge. It's not Microsofts problem to worry about whether or not their subcontractors are breaking existing contracts with what they're creating. The short timeline is a bit nefarious here, but again that company could have said no, but they didn't.
I guess the OpenGL thing is a bit scuzzy, and there wasn't much SGI could do besides not partnering with MS to build FireGL.
zouhair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How a small company can defend itself? If a big corporation has you in their line of sight it is more of "an offer that they can't refuse" kinda of thing.
They get the money or their company goes bankrupt and their lives get destroyed.
brilliantjoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The contract with Spyglass was greed on Spyglass's part. A normal software development contract is the client (Microsoft) paying for services and products rendered (Internet Explorer). Spyglass got greedy thinking that MS was going to sell shitloads of copies of Internet Explorer and they were going to make a windfall, so instead of charging MS a flat price that would cover their expenses, they went with the % and got fucked by their contract.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds familiar.. Cough Tuition loans Cough
brilliantjoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say what?
dantemp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:27:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holly shit O never knew these. And this guy is currently saving the world. Go figure.
underwaterbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy to do that when you have an unfair share of the world's wealth.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a lot of conjecture (that can definitely be agreed with here and there, but it's conjecture nonetheless) in that quote, dude. The OpenGL thing, for example. Isn't Facebook a knock-off of myspace? No? Is Amazon a knock-off of ebay or Newegg? The biggest things in the world are pretty much the same level of "knock-off" as that guy claims. The absolute, 100%, only difference is when you can compare two things and say definitively that "these parts are identical", but that isn't applicable in the above situations. It's worth debating but it never amounted to anything.
He also states Microsoft choosing proprietary over open-source or supporting other developers. No fucking shit? Apple does this all the time with everything, no one seems to care. People still bought and will continue buying ipads and crappy macbooks they don't need, iphones that are worth half as much as the price tag, and continue to get railed by Apple policies. There are loads of examples of this. I'm sure this happens so regularly with a vast number of companies that it's a joke to even mention it in passing. People simply don't hear about it that often.
The copyright/lawsuit thing with QuickTime code was a settlement that ended up being a fraction of what the lawsuit was worth, and you're going to believe this guy saying they dropped to their knees over it? Again, I'm sure this happens a lot; things happen behind closed doors and by the time anyone outside hears anything, it's all said and done. People make assumptions and judge something they'll never get all the information on.
I'm not really surprised this is upvoted but fuck, reddit. Collectively use your brain and stop eating up bullshit.
ReneMathis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:48 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Says the guy defending Microsoft
Transport_Minister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:33:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hehe, easier said than done mate. It's a big bad world out there, some people don't even want to know.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was a small slice of terrible things Microsoft has done and how they leveraged their desktop monopoly. There is still Java, DR-Dos, MS-Office, Open document formats, and the list goes on.
They are in the process of doing it right now with DirectX12 and Windows 10 to try to kill Vulkan.
PuppyLV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You completely lost me at
Really because last time I checked if iPhones weren't made by underpaid Chinese people they'd cost way more. And yeah I know they aren't the only ones, but I'm just making a point, that if anything they are overpriced, not underpriced.
Tokyo__Drifter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:23:34 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said and yet people defend this psychopath, like seriously, wtf.
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:48:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lemme guess. You were born in the '90s.
Dude was a Grade A+ asshole and killed, murdered, burned the fields and salted what was left of any innovation in the computing industry that didn't bend to their will.
What came from the ashes was Linux, albeit the roots were earlier than the plundering, which was something he couldn't touch because it was free as in beer and free as in libre.
loconessmonster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:56:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk...I admit I'm not old enough to truly understand what happened. Let's take a look at iOS and Android, they're so popular in part because they're easy to use. It wasn't always obvious that phone/tablet ui should be easier to use.
When I use Linux even the main distros there is a feeling that I need to poke around with the settings to get things working how they should. Would an open Linux type OS have organically become easy to use if MS were not around? Idk, but from my pov it really doesn't seem like it would have. It's obvious now that computers are ubiquitous but imagine trying to teach grandma how to use Linux...
photo_toppie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is Linux. It runs a Linux kernel.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:17:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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loconessmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are the types of things I was referring to, would an open OS eventually created an 'system' where hardware 'just works'? Hell non-techies have a hard enough time dealing with drivers in Windows.
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:10:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what the fight was about although that's what some people think it is.
There's so many parallel stories.
There's the DOS that went around computer clubs adding to it's popularity. MS (Gates) comes out with a letter saying that it's not for free but for pay and people need to pay for it. Fair enough but it's the trading that got it used and popular.
DOS and Windows was pretty much easily copied and traded all the way up until Windows XP. Windows 95c and 98 had license keys but you could use a single install one in an installation INI file.
Then you had non compete. There were multiple OSs available for the IBM and cloned formats. Microsoft said to manufacturers that any machine made also had to pay for a Windows license regardless of what OS is installed on the system.
That was the death of OS/2, BeOS, and a handful of other specialized operating systems. OS/2 got cornered into the PBX market as Windows was unreliable for switching calls. BeOS couldn't stay alive in the multimedia market and went away when the MMX chipset became ubiquitous.
The dumpster diving for SQL went to court.
The whole IE debacle.
Just volumes. Look for Gates deposition on the bundling of IE with the justice department. That was happening at the same time of Clinton's deal with "I don't know what 'IS' IS"
simjanes2k ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:31:12 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He invented a couple of the ways that companies are evil. Easy to forget when everyone does it now.
Monopoly and "versions" are probably the most severe offenses.
MrJohz ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:40:07 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't exactly "invent" them - he just used them ruthlessly.
mdave424 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:38:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man Monopoly has been around since the early 1900s
slz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:10:20 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what Ryan Phillippe and Rachael Leigh Cook taught me.
Dizzy_Drake ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
now that you bring it up, i remember there were a ton of games clowning bill gates on newgrounds back when i was still in elementary school
Stink_Snake ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 20:15:11 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late 90's Dank Bill Gates Meme.
jonclock ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:40:15 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 spooky
SpookyDogMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ruff
R3AL1Z3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:59:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rare pepe
Stink_Snake ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They won't let you play this Pepe n tournaments because it is OP.
Benlarge1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow bill you are doin me a spook
ycnz ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:09:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot was down to simply not liking unbridled capitalism (to be clear, I don't either). He was doing his job - trying to "maximise shareholder value". No part of his job description would have said "help the little guy succeed". Hell, Google quietly removed their "Don't be evil" slogan.
Don't expect a corporate to ever have your best interests at heart. It definitely can happen, but it's not the safe bet.
GtrSensei89 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:36:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google ditched the 'don't be evil'-slogan?
ycnz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:38:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://time.com/4060575/alphabet-google-dont-be-evil/
Well, their parent company changed the wording to "Do the right thing". Theoretically, it could be the same, but... why change it if you don't want to change what it means? :)
3210atown ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:08:26 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Do the right thing" has a different meaning depending on what the CEO, managers, or workers define as the "right" thing. Evil is pretty clear cut.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:10:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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upp3r90 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:27:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A company like Google does many things, not just 1. Having a slogan that says "do the right thing" makes it easy to justify doing some wrong things by having lots of right things to point at. A slogan like "don't be evil" means "don't ever do the wrong thing, regardless of how many right things you're also doing."
SirFapsALo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the difference between beneficence vs non-maleficence. Hippocrates would be proud.
the_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also reassuring to the users who have invited Google into every part of their life. I like knowing that even though Google could destroy my life if it wanted to, it says it's not going to fuck me over. Do the right thing is very ambiguous and a terrible slogan. Every evil person ever thought they were doing the right thing. Does the right thing involve me getting fucked over? I hope not.
Tokyo__Drifter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still do, but it's amazing what money will buy you. Just throw reddit a couple hundred reddit golds and they'll bend over backwards to remove all the negative comments about you or your company.
Leporad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When?
sporvath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in that time, there were games where you had to throw cakes at him, I never really understood why all the hate back then.
zouhair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still hate his guts.
diegojones4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:45 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking the same thing. He was constantly referred to as the anti-Christ.
aWintergreen ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 23:01:48 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's some sweet editing. Guy must work with computers or something.
Bakeddropbear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This actually made me lol
Murrdogg ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 01:45:33 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a reminder that this man is worth $79,200,000,000.
Megatron_Griffin ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 02:11:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's 20 Trumps, 1,000 Clintons, or 264,000 Bernies.
Santi871 ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 02:25:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or 79,200,000,000 mes
under______score ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 02:34:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tfw 1 dollar net worth
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:18:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Error: divide by 0
Tarantulasagna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you're doing better than Randy Quaid
Spuddicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, at least he has a dollar and doesn't owe >1000x his net worth in student loan debt...
ports84 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:59:24 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$1 net worth? Considering my student loans, I'd love to be in your shoes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or infinity mes
KushBlazer69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's also 1455245235 Good boy points
TrpWhyre ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:35:44 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats equals alot of tendies.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:33 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And some of me aswell
rddman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:53:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By Trump's logic, Gates would be 20 times as popular as Trump if he'd run for president.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean 79.200 Trumps?
default-username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is worth 4 billion. Choose your source: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=trump%20net%20worth
codesign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:( thats more than me in diablo 3 and Im legit paragon 740.
umbrellabranch ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no wonder he can afford to buy so many hats...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or clone himself multiple times just for a thank you photo.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:11:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suck at life
Gastte ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta look on the bright side dude. I may not have seven-nineteen's million dollars like Bill Nye but I have a warm cot to sleep in and the love of a beautiful anime body pillow. Things are alright.
-5m ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:55:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can only suppose he's the one intercepting my e-mails with that nigerian prince
Rhumald ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:30:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...
We have to save him.
lonehawk2k4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:20:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't
zeusmeister ยท 386 points ยท Posted at 21:11:00 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ashamed I got suckered into the whole "Jobs is ten times the man Gates will ever be" thinking a few years ago.
The more I learn about Steve Jobs, the more I think he was kinda douchy. And the more I learn about Bill Gates, I more I admire the man.
simjanes2k ยท 278 points ยท Posted at 23:32:26 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try not to lean too hard one way or another. Bill Gates is an amazing philanthropist and general human being now, but when he was a businessman, he was pretty ruthless.
He was disliked for some pretty good reasons, even if the circlejerk has rose-colored glasses.
PyroKnight ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 00:24:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue with business tends to be that if you aren't ruthless enough, you'll be taken advantage of more often than you'd get the upper hand on deals. And if you aren't being ruthless, someone else can easily fill your niche in whatever sector you're in.
Does that justify cut throat business tactics? Maybe? No proper answer to that really.
duckmurderer ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$80,000,000,000
RedZaturn ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:08:44 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
JUSTIFIED
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MooseEatsBear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:24:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Jonathan_DB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:30:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, you justified it.
ahalekelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not justified, that's left aligned!
aherco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a monster!
i_pk_pjers_i ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will give one hundred MILLION dollars to whoever gets me out of here. ONE HUNDRED MILLIIIIIIOOOOOOOOONNN DOLLAAAAA.
Bearrison_Ford ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:00:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd stab every kitten on earth to death for the kind of money that guy has.
goodDayM ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:12:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You reminded me of something Bill Burr said about Lance Armstrong. Society has to channel sociopaths into projects that can do some good. Bill Gates moved his efforts from crushing business competitors to crushing diseases. The results are amazing when you can get these people on the right treadmill.
Transport_Minister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looking for the next challenge perhaps.
lonehawk2k4 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
best part is he owns up to it. I remember in one of his older amas someone asked him about how he felt about pirates of silicon valley and he said it was an accurate representation of him in the movie.
imTHATitguy ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:12:30 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As is every good businessman. The nice, non-ruthless businessmen in the world are no longer in business.
balanced_view ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:23:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. They just don't get to have monopolies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:48 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs was a dick even when he wasn't being a businessman.
Truth_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same goes for Warren Buffet. Now that he's old and made his millions, now he thinks tax loopholes should be closed and philanthropy is great and all super-rich should do it. Same for Gates.
This doesn't mean what they're doing isn't great, but it doesn't erase the past.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:39:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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WockItOut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:36:03 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude's given 10's of billions of dollars to charity, and is currently doing many things to try to help people and better the world. If he had to strangle a baby to get to where he is today to do the stuff he's doing now, I would have said, let him.
FullMetalBitch ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:30:30 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates credits his wife in his change of heart from ruthless businessmen to philanthropist and polio eradicator.
GroovingPict ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:59:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kinda douchey? that has to be the understatement of the year. It has always baffled me that Microsoft, and by extension Bill Gates, was so utterly hated by pretty much everyone on the planet for their sometimes shady business practices and taking advantage of their leading position, and when Steve Jobs and Apple not only does the same but crank it up by a factor of ten, the whole world still loved him and shat themselves over every new Apple product. Steve Jobs was 10 times the asshole Bill Gates/MS ever was at their worst.
MeatbombMedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:32 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs had the turtleneck going for him though.
Billyblox ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 08:09:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is apple makes products that are 10x than Microsoft.
Microsoft makes really 3rd rate products.
Transport_Minister ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:45:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10 times more expensive?
soproductive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:26 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.
MeatbombMedic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:47:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, take Jobs' desiccated penis out of your mouth.
Chronostasis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:26:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing is one way or another in absolutes, there is nuance and distinctions to be made everywhere.
cyanletters ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:15:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They were both pretty ruthless. Steve Jobs denied paternity of his daughter which made him an ultimate asshole, but he was in his early 20s and they reconciled. I think that's what people fail to understand.
I think the main difference between them is that Bill Gates is very public about his philanthropy. Steve Jobs was very private about his philanthropic efforts and his wife was (and still is) the face of it. Reason being, Steve Jobs was very active at Apple and Pixar. He pretty much ran Apple until the day he died.
wootis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one that called him the "ultimate asshole"
cyanletters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EDIT: "made" not "makes"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't kind of douche. He was a gigantic douche.
And a turd sandwich.
Don't forget to vote, or I will motherfucking kill you.
Letsbereal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:38:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how bout u stop sucking dicks
LesbianDoritos ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 21:50:12 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't.
Like any other multi-billionaire, Bill Gates has done his fair deal of damage to a huge number of people/competitors, not to mention setting the entire PC market back at least 10 years through his company's monolithic presence in the tech market and it's iron grip on it.
Don't be fooled. While it's respectable that he's being so philanthrophic now, he's not an individual worthy of admiration.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:21:00 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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LesbianDoritos ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 22:47:41 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Care to read any of the fucking evidence I've presented? Christ.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:54:59 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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LesbianDoritos ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 23:02:44 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That third link has quite a lot of evidence.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:18:18 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Spongy_and_Bruised ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:55:50 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like this flavor of doritos.
Frickinfructose ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:47:19 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHAAAAT? Dude runs the largest charity in the world. One that has its sights on eliminating polio. I'm sorry your computer isn't as cool as it could be, but christ, lighten up a bit.
SmrterThanYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Rotary Club is, and has been, leading the effort to eradicate polio way before Gates was interested. Not to knock Gates, but as a Rotarian I'd be remiss to not correct the record here.
Savvy_One ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Microsoft doesn't build components for the PC... so how the hell could it set back the market? You talking about Windows? Sure there were good versions and bad but I don't think Windows itself has set back the PC market "10 years."
That is saying that Mac is 10 years more advanced than a normal PC, or Linux...
LesbianDoritos ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:10:34 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The PC market doesn't simply include the 'hardware' market - it includes a hell of a lot more than that. The area in which Microsoft was particularly harmful was to software through its 'Embrace, extend and extinguish' policy.
So yes, it did set back not only the PC industry but the entire tech industry back 10 years, because at the time there was essentially no alternative to Windows worth using due to Microsoft's systematic suppression of anything resembling a worthy competitor. It is only now that we are exiting that 'dark age' - with the apparition of major competing OSes on a different market (iOS and Android) and the rise in the Mac helping diminish Microsoft's domination of the desktop PC (laptops and towers).
Edit: Besides, they did in fact affect the hardware market too - for many years, Intel's hardware was developed together with Microsoft's software. This was done in order to force users to upgrade to the latest batch of Intel hardware in order to not have sucky performance on PCs with old hardware that was, in fact, perfectly capable of running Microsoft's latest software.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see where you got that 10 year figure. You're right, theres a lot towards the 'tech' industry, I can't imagine our software, hardware, and infrastructure capabilities (including economic feasibility) have existed 10 years ago, assuming Microsoft didn't exist, or even didn't even have that specific strategy towards market competition.
LesbianDoritos ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:37:38 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're being obtuse. Arguing semantics about 'how long' Microsoft set back the industry is irrelevant - the fact is it did, and this was a movement spearheaded by Bill Gates. Thus, he isn't worthy of admiration - he's done plenty of bad.
SkorpioSound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is how long Microsoft did or did not set back the industry "irrelevant", if you don't mind me asking? If Microsoft had only set the industry back by a single day, but had provided livelihoods for thousands of people for years, surely that'd be worthwhile?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:06 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, tech has been pretty good for the last 25 years. Speculate all you want though
LesbianDoritos ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:24:40 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not speculation.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:55:24 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link me to the part that says 10 years mate
LesbianDoritos ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:07 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:25:16 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said feel free to speculate
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck is this downvoted?
Bill Gates/Microsoft were really really terrible and did everything to slow down progress so they could make money off of it. The Microsoft hate circlejerk from the 90s till late 00s was not unfounded.
Periljoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:16:27 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gates' generosity will do more good than 1000 years of your bloodline combined get off your high fucking horse.
Bieberkinz ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:24:37 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Bill Gates has a much better ability to do so. All of us combined can dream of having the ability to help other outs, I get the OP sounds crazy for calling out Gates on his 1990s antitrust business practices, but don't call out people's abilities generosities all willy nilly like that, it's two different scales of giving. That's just not a fair thing to say IMO.
Periljoe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:34:49 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's deserved. Gates is not just writing checks he actually visits these places and attempts to do smart things with his money, and has also convinced many billionaires to pitch in in the same way. He has started the largest philanthropic movement in the history of the world and this idiot is still mad because he broke Java compatibility on Windows. Ridiculous tunnel vision is what it is.
Bieberkinz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:01 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the thing will Bill Gates, is while I love the man, it's important to not duck the Microsoft vs. US case IF we are going to talk about the big picture. Like it will ultimately end up as a footnote in any biography about him, but the case was basically about how Microsoft single handily tried to wipe out the competition, because at its peak, Microsoft was the lone King and could've manipulated the market anyway it wanted, even at a what seems to be a small level with an Internet browser, if it didn't work on a Windows computer, it wouldn't work on anything else, leading to Windows being the only OS for computers.
But hey, hate is pretty much subjective as people will like and dislike whomever they want for whatever reasons.
Periljoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I hear you. Microsoft had it's time as the big bad monopoly, but as you said that will barely be remembered compared to Gates' final chapters and what he has given back to the world. OP lead in with (paraphrasing) "don't look up to Bill Gates..." which is an utterly ridiculous thing, I think, when weighing the two things together. The guy is out there literally saving lives with big ideas, and yeah, he has the means, but lots of people have the means and barely do anything.
Bieberkinz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, while I do believe breaking anti trust laws is bad, the what if scenario I mentioned is only a what if scenario now, technology has rapidly evolved since then and at the same time, Bill Gates improved his image by putting on an amazing showing in philosophy basically exceeding any type of wrong deed.
I get what the OP was saying, and it's completely understandable, but his argument comes off kinda off setting by going off as you HAVE TO hate Bill Gates, rather than, he's a great guy now, but in his past, he was ruthless in business approach.
Billyblox ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:08:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking cringe and so brave to post that on Reddit. Steve jobs will be remembered way longer than gates.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 22:06:37 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RealRickSanchez ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:02:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to point this out, but instead found the comment that did. He is great at reaching out to us.
Im not trying to be cynical, but my guess is that there is a marketing team behind Mr. Gates.
The cool old school picture
The perfection with which he completes his AMAs
This awesome follow up video.
If he has a marketing team, this is really cool and I like the time he took to do all this. He is worth a ton of money and doesn't need o do this.
If there is no marketing team and Mr. Gates is doing this on his own then I am amazed.
lordeddardstark ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:12:59 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates is a geek through and through. He definitely has a marketing team but I wouldn't doubt that he had some major inputs on the geekery.
al-khidr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:44:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being such an influential figure, I think it would be foolish of him not to have some degree of organized public relations.
Supersnazz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he does have marketing people, but I would think a Reddit AMA and a follow up video is something that he could handle with virtually no input from anybody else. The man has been in the spotlight for a long time, and is pretty smart and eloquent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a redditor.
setfire3 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:15:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but.. what about age of empires?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best part of that question was the "Bill plz I know you can see this"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:00:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
we can only hope and pray to lord gates.
setfire3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bill plz, i promise I will leave Gaben 4 u.
JOHANSENATOR ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:09:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HE'S BEING HELD PRISONER IN A POSTER BOARD FACTORY WHILST YOU ALL JEST
RzK ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 23:57:46 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thank you bill grapes, windows 8 is by far your best computer yet
Bspammer ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:15:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot, it's windows 9
restless923 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:32:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doors 11
Tarantulasagna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:54:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carpet 5C
theghostecho ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:00:34 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IS he talking about Reddit's super powers?
ProWaterboarder ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:19:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude, we did catch the Boston Bomber after all
IAskWierdQuestions ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have we found Carmen Sandiego though?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:10 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about Waldo?
orichitoxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Warren the warrant robot needs to do an AMA. He's seen some shit.
Aegisuv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:27:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I was "crazy hat" rich.
sirfut ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:10:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So does he play TF2?
bbm72 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:26:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, Bill Gates is so much cooler than Steve Jobs.
Cranyx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:43:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this looks like a gif from 1998, just with way better resolution
Thrannn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:04 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i just realized that he looks and acts like my aunt
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hi its me your brother
TigerlillyGastro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:03:33 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marriage has had such a good effect on Bill. Back in the 90s, he was evil. Now he's a cool rich dude trying to do good in the world, and generally doing it in a really sensible way, too.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:50:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And for some reason, we make movies about Steve Jobs instead.
heat_forever ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:25:20 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let the man die first!
E5150_Julian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:47:55 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might want an alibi when Bill Gates dies
Brandhor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:44 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a bit old but pirates of silicon valley is about gates too
daredaki-sama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates, a man of many hats.
InfectedP0tato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He made more than $5000 while you watched that video
YosafQuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:33 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he made way more than that. He's worth like 80 billion
mch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:16:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now there is a man who can jump over a chair.
apc0243 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:40 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You all have Melinda to thank for how awesome he's become.
I believe that without her, he and Jobs would have ended it console-wars style
so_hologramic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:15 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adorable.
Geofferic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love this guy so much.
Hieillua ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:37 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked him for money. Still waiting for a response..
IminPeru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:32 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't even own a Teemo hat. For shame
Treeribs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:37 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TFW the world is not getting better
RobbensLeftFoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there is any billionaire on the planet i would support to run for president, it would hands down be Billy.
fumanchu4u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if that thing about time is money is true, the production budget of that video is much larger than we could probably expect.
l1ve1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hoping this video was done after the meeting for making the next Age of Empires game.
snyte ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:03:44 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is one of the coolest CEOs ever.
QuicklyStarfish ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:54:07 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody likes him for who he is after stepping down as CEO.
Microsoft is cool now, and so is Gates, but together they were pretty fucking gross and shady.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:00:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I know some people who would strongly disagree with this statement.
Edit: I should specify, personally I've been liking Microsoft more and more, but I know some people who aren't me who don't think Microsoft is cool. Telling me all of these cool things Microsoft is doing isn't going to change their minds.
lordeddardstark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:51 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? My man Nadella ain't cool enough for ya?
MustyMustelidae ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:59:41 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We just got SQL Server for Linux (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That many ! Needed) and MS joining the eclipse foundation today after they bought Xamarin and are likely to open it up. The number of people who can reasonably disagree are dwindling
bigrubberduck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:48:34 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, these are some of the moves Microsoft has made in the past year.
They might not be cool yet, but they are doing things that even 5 years ago would have been seen as suicidal and insane if the CEO of Microsoft started down that path. My 2 cents.
pzinha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:14 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their phones and tablets are real computers. How cool is that ?
skymallow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And finally added Virtual Desktops (although the implementation kinda sucks) to windows!
pzinha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are people without much of critical sense to me. Being informed made me change my opinion in the last 5 years and now I am very fond of several things in MS and their products.
_HlTLER_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:05 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Business for you. You don't get to be the most powerful tech power at the time by making friends. You get it my making Windows Me.
SafariMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows /u/_HITLER_?
Checks out.
ctrl_all_del ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:18 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is still far from cool.
Licensedpterodactyl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I started crying at, "Remember the world is getting better."
Rarehero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:46 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does get better. Maybe not over the last five years with the turmoils and Middle East, the mass migrations and what that does with the rest of the World, but in general the World does get better. The news create a skewed perception of the World.
thereddituser2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First thing that came to my mind is "what? Is he following elections?"
eric1rr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:25 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really though. Climate change and nuclear devastation are as real of threat as ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what a guy.
jjmitchell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TL:DW
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:54 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand, isn't he like a mega busy billionaire?
Drawtaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:40 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does he collect hats?
GiantHawks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know you've made it when you can afford that many hats
PackingLite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping he'd jump over a chair
topdangle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of amazing to think that this lovable old man was one of the most ruthless businessmen in the 80s and 90s. I wonder what happened that made him change his mind.
heat_forever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:46 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The spectre of death loomed over him and he knew his legacy could not be defined as a billionaire who screwed over customers, stifled competition and fought the US government... instead now he's a reddit darling, philanthropist and all around wise old guy.
Tokyo__Drifter ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a few hundred reddit golds and it's amazing how much someone will bend over backwards to remove negative comments about you.
SnazzberryEnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did we ever get a definitive answer on Age of Empires, though?
Conansriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:59 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All Ensemble had to do was introduce a few new pieces/ civs to the Conqueror edition of AOE every few years and they could have milked that franchise for a billion dollars. Instead they went Gods and fixed town centers...... and F'd the game.
munster62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:17 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gates and his team of mind benders working overtime.
Curlypeeps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just picture him saying, "I know, I'll do something where I wear like 30 hats" and some assistant running all over town trying to find just the right ones.
grantmoore3d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:32 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if he has a personal assistant to put a video like that together or if he does it himself for fun. I find it amusing that he might have spent several hours taking photos of himself and making a video for fun, potentially a video worth tens of thousands given the value of his time.
bruise666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How long until someone photoshops one of the screens saying he is giving all his money away if you like and share it
Papabelter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hi, I'm Bill Gates, and I can buy your city. Fuck with me."
Bearrison_Ford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't know how to feel because he was such a huge piece of shit for decades and now I'm watching him try to be cute in silly hats.
capreesun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:03 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. He is adorable.
Great_Chairman_Mao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need 30 hats and other facial accessories. Here's a million bucks, make it happen.
That's how I imagine his conversation with his assistant went.
The_Shape_Shifter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:27 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did this one as well : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p4bm-RAlLA&ebc=ANyPxKp0S5rjcwev12s1m-r6IQ74HynGvAI83AP68pCq3oQyJZQDgKGP-uk0IzXGdwHqXgGhqv5B1kVYcpPTvgAkIt_-wSFI9g
krymsontied ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where does he get all the money for his extensive costumes and video editing?
RobbensLeftFoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:59 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna be that rich for an hour
rind1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy definitely has too much free time
mainemtnrover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He continues to inspire me. Thanks, Bill!
partofthevoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:06 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/kMFJBd40Awo
psychotic666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:11 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marriage has had such a good effect on Bill. Back in the 90s, he was evil. Now he's a cool rich dude trying to do good in the world, and generally doing it in a really sensible way, too.
Airazz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see that Windows Movie Maker is still not much more advanced than Paint.
ThurminMurmin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Help me this place frightens me.
LTVOLT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apparently once a nerd.. always a nerd... doesn't matter how much money you have
TeamRocketBadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:31 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming it took him about 10 minutes to make that video he made $68,000 making that video.
hotdogs4humanity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No way, he had to have spent hours in costuming for this video.
Shiroi_Kage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not. The world isn't getting any better until you deliver with an affirmative on the creation of a new AoE, Mr. Gates.
Chewy_Bravo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:35 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His earnings can be reduced down to minutes. Can some1 do the math please
ShiningRayde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:44 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit! I missed my chance to ask him about when he used that shotgun in the ancient Doom advert!
ev-dawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask him to fix the Xbox.
drakesylvan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates is one stand up guy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill is such a class act
sagr0tan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:59 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the world IS actually getting better with every single new Linux/GNU user! Change, don't give up, you'll discover a lot!
Supersnazz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does he afford all those hats?
sako36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:30 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was mildly upsetting but I can't put my finger on why.
geteq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, is he?
ermockler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:51 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like his Pirate getup the best for some reason....
Videophreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:02 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates is a really cool guy!
jbenga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me want to buy a surface
The_New_Flesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:57 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had his money, I'd be deluded into thinking the world is getting better, too.
Staggitarius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:12 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many replies and no one is alarmed that he is trapped in a poster board factory?!
We need to bust him out!
grapplerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me he would be cool to hang out with
LovingAnyway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:47 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved it. Bill is on my coolest list. :)
fr33dom_or_death ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:13 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, he didn't answer my question.
spin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when is was a kid Bill Gates was the devil. When did he get so cool?
SatansPal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That last bit reminds me of tiny Rick's song/dance
NotRalphNader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:58 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really like Melinda and Bill, best rich people ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:31 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Johannesboy1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:49:59 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With over 8000 upvotes, gladly its not hard to oversee the ama
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Humans are naturally trusting. Despite images, this man is not to be trusted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:56 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Thicknipple ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:42:36 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Offer yourself to Cthulhu and the path you seek will reveal itself.
Sancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Consistently feel that Bill Gates is 100% cooler than Steve Jobs.
thedavehughes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:53 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ah, to have unlimited creative resources at my fingertips whenever, now that is the dream. Great AMA Bill!
bluestreakxp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"i have billions of dollars and the best i can do is make stop-motion footage from equipment that is also available for lego home movies."
MiyamotoKnows ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please
Do not
Revolt
Against
The 1%
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates seems like a pretty cool guy!
dcnblues ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:49:58 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand that this fucker has so successfully and easily rehabbed his image. Putting half your fortune into a tax shelter and promising to give it away sometime before you die. And Reddit just laps it up.
n0xz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He already gave away billions in real money, what have you done besides sitting on the couch and complaining?
dcnblues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Putting it into a tax shelter is not giving it away. Spending it on business ventures that have a humanitarian goal is also not giving it away. Having to pay billions in fines for criminal activity gives him a negative Ledger that I assure you exceeds mine.
n0xz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:53 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a tax shelter, but they've spent at least a few hundreds millions a year for the past ten years helping various causes. It's not just sitting there nor business ventures.
dcnblues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Gates doesn't typically donate cash. He starts companies that profit (or at least break even) by doing something for human good. It's not in his dna to donate and loose control of his money. Biggest personal fortune on earth, go ahead and show me the straight up cash donations for humanitarian purposes. I guarantee it's the lemon next to the pie compared to the fines he's had to pay for illegal corporate activity.
And he locked the planet into the shittiest OS ever created for decades by predatory behavior toward the competition. And he isn't tarred by it at all. Baffles me.
Squawk_7500 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:19 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe he just opened his funny hat drawer and picked a few of his favorites.
gmikoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:55 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking Tickle Trunk.
auui ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:45 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The world is getting better...when you have billions its hard not to wear rose colored glasses.
apinc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:23 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, do you really want to go back in time even 10 years?
auui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that would be awesome!!!!
Whadios ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:09 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never realized how much Bill Gates looks like Mr. Dressup! Especially in the clown wig and nose.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:52 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
still didn't answer my question, though
Leporad ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand, you'd think he could have hired producers and stuff to make a better quality video with all his money.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:10 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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71513181 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:33:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
let's not fool ourselves. if I had super powers I would be evil.
defini1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:00:24 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was shot on an iPhone 6S Plus 128 GB using the new time lapse feature in the camera app!
catherder9000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:49 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think about this.
That is the most expensive video produced for reddit in the history of reddit.
Just to cover the time spent by Bill Gates sitting there (not even including the pittance it cost to have somebody film and edit it, or the building, or the power used, or anything else) is insanely big bucks.
Arnold could take his time and make a thousand 5 minute videos of him running over shit in his tank and it still wouldn't cost as much as 15 minutes of Bill Gates' time.
projectretreat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:35:04 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the same building as Bill Gates' personal office. I was confused when I was walking into the office today and I saw a bunch of guys with camera equipment. guess this explains it.
scoldeddog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:39 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates is proof that money really does buy admiration.
DraslinHDF ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, that's all the time I have for your questions. If you'll excuse me, I have to get back to trying to implement a eugenics based white supremacist plan by sterilizing all of sub-Saharan Africa. But here's a kooky video with some hats."
moccaricci ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finally a rich guy who's not a greedy fucker!
probywan1337 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:41:29 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He gets a lot of shit, but he seems like a really awesome guy
loli_trump ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:59 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt Bill Gates killing kids in Africa and India lmao.
lollerchopter ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:04 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guy Behind Camera: Bill... um Bill... a guy called asking for money to fund a breakthrough cancer treatment. Bill: QUIET! Can't you see I'm in the middle of putting on a funny hat for Reddit!?
FruityStuff ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:20:40 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it feels like he is trying really hard to be cool and stay hip. Sort of like midlife crisis. Not that it's bad, but it feels like it.
19991199119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:19 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you're 50+, everything fun looks like a midlife crisis. Sometimes your back hurts, so putting on a silly hat is all the fun you can have.
vloger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:15 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The man is having some fun and just enjoying his life. You can say whatever you want about him but Bill Gates is just one awesome dude.
0dde0 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was shot on an iPhone 6S Plus 128 GB using the new time lapse feature in the camera app!
SpetS15 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Remember the world is getting better"
dont mind those people being bombarding and killed everyday, and child being raped and beheaded, they are not part of the world. Also, poor people, homeless, they dont exist, is just your imagination and bad propaganda media
CanadianJogger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:11:08 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Percentage-wise, there is less of that happening than in the past. So the world is getting better.
In about 1200 AD there were roughly 400,000,000 people in the world. Genghis Khan's dreams of empire killed 40,000,000 of them, about 10% of the world's population.
Some of the Christian Crusades happened in this era too, and of course, people in other areas were being raped and beheaded. Its not a new thing at all.
Lots of poor people and homeless too.
In WWII, there were 2.3 billion people on earth, and at least 60 million died because of that. That is 3%.
The world is getting better.
maikuxblade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:17:43 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I agree that the quality of life for the average person is getting better, but there's objectively more suffering nowadays by virtue of having a larger population. Reducing actual suffering to a percentage relative to the population at the time is misleading.
CanadianJogger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:09 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose, but I hesitate to say that it is even possible to reduce actually suffering in raw numbers, at least with a positive population growth. There are newer ways to die, more diseases, fiendish weapons...
On the other hand, many types of horrible death are in decline. For all that ISIS likes beheading, that was a very common way to execute criminals, traitors, and captured soldiers in earlier eras. Most societies do not practice it any more. Most militaries do not summarily kill their captured enemies.
And in other cases, horrible deaths from disease such as influenza, food poisoning, failed childbirth, and other medical maladies are also in decline. Soldiers aren't dying in muddy trenches, nor lingering in shell holes in the middle of no-mans-land.
The world is never going to let the Irish have another famine, so to speak. It was a very corrupted effort, but we chipped in to feed Ethiopia in the 80s. 100 years ago nobody gave a rat's ass about Africa.
So I think it enough to chip away at the edges and call that progress.
maikuxblade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:22 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a way, though, we're just replacing natural ways to die with man-made ones.
CanadianJogger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, less "eaten by cave bear", more "eaten by bath salts zombie".
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:50 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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kopacetix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:01 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sentence makes my brain hurt.
Try again please.
SoupGFX ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 19:11:36 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BG is a rich douche.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:27:17 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not very nice. He does a lot of good with his money. He's a philanthropist. Being rich does not automatically equate to douche.
reddit_mind ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:57 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://np.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/49ej73/turns_out_bill_gates_was_a_big_dick_back_in_the/
SoupGFX ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 19:41:13 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does when you're the richest man in the world. If you're the richest, you're obviously not giving back enough.
manwich_made_right ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Troll
SoupGFX ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:44:39 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Troll what? That I believe being the richest man in the world is a shitty title to have when there's so much poverty in the world. This guy wants to be held up on a pedestal when in reality, he's not doing enough to help people and this world.
manwich_made_right ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see your point and suppose we shall have to agree to disagree, Troll.
SoupGFX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:04 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Me = Troll
manwich_made_right ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:52 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
Wisex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:21 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its a shame hes a "douche" considering hes donated well over 20 billion dollars to various charities and has also pledged to give away 95% of his personal fortune to charity, because that guy is such a bad guy am I right? Bill Gates is such a good person its a shame people like you think that just because hes rich hes a bad person.
SoupGFX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit... He hasn't donated well over 20 billion dollars and I've yet to see him give away 95% of his personal fortune to charity. What he does do is donate money to Warren Buffet's charities and WB donates his money to BG's charities. Do you see how that works? If you give me 40 million and you give me 40 million, we both get to write off that donation but we both get to keep our money. It's all a tax write off, money making scheme.
Wisex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:19 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 95% is surely a long term thing, but heres bill gates saying he has no use for money that also states that he has donated over $20 billion and that he plans to eradicate polio, and these are the other charities that he supports ALS Association Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Children's Vaccine Program Children with AIDS Comic Relief Earth Institute Estamos Food Bank For New York City GALVMed Make A Child Smile Appeal MASSIVEGOOD Rotary International The Lunchbox Fund Source
pepper_lipo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:40 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what do you think he should do? Distribute his wealth among the poorest people on the planet? He could feed a billion people for a month and disappear into a middle-class lifestyle. Or he could fund ongoing research to eradicating diseases that have killed billions. Surely you can appreciate that to a philanthropist, having enormous wealth necessitates spending it wisely.
SoupGFX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:42 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. That would be a waste of his money. What he could do, is setup more organizations that focus on more worldly issues, like fresh water and global warming. I don't discount his funding on eradicating certain diseases but if you're the richest guy in the world and you have pledged giving away 99% of your wealth, wouldn't you be doing more to see that wealth be put to use in your lifetime???
PatrioticImgurian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:45 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
b8
NieceyBabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:31 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wealth envy much? Oh, someone was successful and made a fortune?? The HORROR!!! Fuck him for changing the world and getting rich! What an asshole! /s
Factions ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:10 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a rich douche.
SoupGFX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:27 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could be as rich and douchey as BG.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:52 on March 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SoupGFX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:37:38 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha!
meatandtater ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:28 on March 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the Microsuck, and the fan bois , do explain why did he invent ctrl+alt+del again? Anybody knows? < INSERT VIDEO HERE > fucking tools.