[TOMT] [REDDIT COMMENT] a concept for a movie where it describes Hitler’s early life trying to make you feel bad for him, without revealing who he is. Then at the end of the movie, his identity is revealed and you realize you spent the whole movie rooting for Hitler

🎙️ slightlydampsock · 1240 points · Posted at 15:53:49 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Pazzp · 1198 points · Posted at 15:57:08 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

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A Christopher Nolan film. On the surface it looks like a period piece set in the 60's -70's. A man in prison (Joesph Gordon Levitt) struggling with depression. In his cell, contemplating suicide, he begins recounting his troubled childhood to his cellmate, Micheal Cane.

In the first act we go quickly through his younger life. A child on a farm with 4 siblings, a strict father and a distant mother. The family moves to the city, where he gets bullied for being a hick. He finds solace reading old military books. Using tactics from his book, he and a group of misfit friends defeat the bullies.

Cut to prison where he is still considering suicide, staring at a homemade noose. Michael Cane urges him to continue.

He then relates dropping out of school, and traveling with some hippies led by Ellen Page, whom he is in love with. She flirts but keeps him at a distance. He has a knack for painting. This act focuses on his pursuit of Page, trying to get close to her through his art.It all comes crashing down when it is revealed she is a lesbian, which he discovers when he walks in on her with another woman. Dejected, and angry with himself he leaves the group.

He tries to get into a prestigious art college to avoid the draft but is rejected. He bites the bullet and enlist. Standard military "War is Hell" montage interspersed with him in prison crying. Cane is not consoling, but tells him some wise Michael Cane words about life being a struggle and it is our choice to live or die.

He gets out and on a chance encounter meets back up with Page. She is now part of a political activist group. Having nowhere to go he joins them. With his strict fathers upbringing, love of history, charisma and military service he becomes the face of the group. They plan to hold a huge rally. At the rally he gets arrested. At trial, Page back stabs him in a plea deal to get her charges dropped, and he gets 5 years.

Back to Cane and Levitt. We find out hes been in jail almost a year. Cane, who we thought all along was talking him down, is actually urging him to hang himself. A back and forth of dialog ensues, culminating in Cane attacking Levitt and putting the nose around his neck. Levitt, now wanting to live,fights him off. Just then the guards appear to break up the fight. They also announce he is getting early release.

Cut to Levitt being released from prison. Making his way down a long hallway. He passes by Cane's cell, where he has a defeated look on his face. The camra lingers on the cell and Cane says to someone offscreen. "I've failed. I tried to stop you but I've failed. Father help us all." Camera pans to reveal Ellen Page, in the shadows smirking in the corner of the jail cell.

As Levitt exits the prison a sepia tone takes over the screen. We see we are not in 1970's America, but 1920's Berlin. As Levitt walks down the street a free man, we see brief shots from his past, redone in a style appropriate for the 20's. All scenes with Ellen Pages have her replaced with Cillian Murphy. He enters a beer hall and is greeted by cheers from his former protesters, now wearing swastika armbands. You realize you just spent 2 and a half hours rooting for Hitler.

🎙️ slightlydampsock · 260 points · Posted at 15:59:20 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Solved!

Thanks! That was really quick

🎙️ slightlydampsock · 99 points · Posted at 16:09:09 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Are all the details of this story accurate?

MrMooga · 167 points · Posted at 17:35:24 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Well, kind of. Hitler wasn't arrested at a "huge rally" for example, he was arrested after helping to organize and lead an attempted coup in 1923 (the Beer Hall Putsch).

🎙️ slightlydampsock · 55 points · Posted at 17:50:08 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

What about the stuff in prison with his cellmate?

Opheltes · 86 points · Posted at 20:43:15 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Hitler and his cronies went to prison after the failed putsch. They got the royal treatment though. It was during his time in prison that he wrote Mein Kampf.

Grannyfister · 16 points · Posted at 03:45:06 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

One of the myriad time travellers who always go back to try and off him?

Dunnersstunner · 41 points · Posted at 04:41:59 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

https://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/

Everyone kills Hitler their first time.

CaseyFly · 9 points · Posted at 14:30:03 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

"Just slow it down, I'll shoot Hitler out the window."

Tensuke · 5 points · Posted at 23:49:58 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Well, I think the details of the sepia-tone updated story are the accurate ones, while the color retelling is a US modernization or something.

Pazzp · 101 points · Posted at 15:59:02 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · 39 points · Posted at 18:03:37 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Wait- if Levitt is supposed to be playing Hitler, why is it Page that's replaced with Murphy, and then walking into the beer hall? Wouldn't that be Levitt walking into the beer hall?

Coresink · 55 points · Posted at 18:51:09 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

That part didn't make sense to me. Plus why is Ellen page's character in the jail cell?

TeHokioi · 13 points · Posted at 07:25:28 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Plus why is Ellen page's character in the jail cell?

As far as this bit I figured it'd be the standard 'figure from the past hallucination' thing

[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 19:07:56 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Exactly! I'm very confused. The only solution I can think of is if there's two Hitler's, with Ellen page representing an amalgam of Hitler's old crush and some other part of his psyche that he associated with her.

veraamber · 13 points · Posted at 19:21:08 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

The "he" at the end isn't Cillian Murphy. You're misreading it.

[deleted] · 30 points · Posted at 19:23:35 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Ohhhhh. That makes more sense now. But in that case, why was Ellen in thr jail cell and why does she turn into Cillian Murphy? Was Hitler's crush on a man instead of a woman?

XellosPY · 36 points · Posted at 00:52:42 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

why was Ellen in thr jail cell and why does she turn into Cillian Murphy?

I thought it was a supernatural twist. Caine was an angel/good spirit that tried to kill Hitler while Ellen was a demon/evil entity making his anger grow and guiding him into becoming the Hitler we know.

[deleted] · 12 points · Posted at 00:58:17 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Ok this is pretty cool. I'm an idiot- I wish that Nolan would really pick this idea up because it would be dope

Momumnonuzdays · 2 points · Posted at 08:48:37 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Thank you for clearing that up, makes a lot of sense. I was thinking that Caine was a time traveller trying to stop Hitler.

shamelessnameless · 2 points · Posted at 04:12:27 on May 17, 2018 · (Permalink)

thank you for explaining this

loquacious706 · 12 points · Posted at 01:45:51 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I don't understand the significance of the Ellen Page / Cillian Murphy character.

Rain12913 · 27 points · Posted at 04:37:42 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Michael Caine was an angel trying to get Hitler to kill himself, Murphy was the devil or a demon egging him on who had taken the form of Page.

It doesn’t make much sense.

JellyCream · 7 points · Posted at 12:17:09 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

It's Christopher Nolan, it's not supposed to make sense.

mike2k24 · 23 points · Posted at 23:33:49 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Not sure if I’m dumb, but what is the title of the movie? Maybe I missed it reading through.

Wellnevermindthen · 50 points · Posted at 00:00:33 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

It’s a movie concept, not an actual movie. I didn’t realize it until after I read thru twice so thought I’d save you the trouble.

thoth1000 · 21 points · Posted at 01:55:35 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I didn't realize until I searched through the imdb pages of both Nolan, Michael Caine, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

mike2k24 · 11 points · Posted at 00:01:06 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Thank you lol. I was so confused for a second.

Wellnevermindthen · 16 points · Posted at 00:08:27 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Same here. And disappointed lol

mike2k24 · 11 points · Posted at 00:10:48 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Glad I’m not the only one disappointed. I’d actually really like to see a movie like that lol.

Wellnevermindthen · 3 points · Posted at 00:11:28 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

A couple parts I was like “ehh, could be better” but in general, this sounds like a bomb movie lol

mike2k24 · 7 points · Posted at 00:12:14 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Yeah I can’t even lie. A plot twist like that I could never forget lol.

Beer_Is_So_Awesome · 3 points · Posted at 03:41:55 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Bomb as in good? Typically when a movie is called a “bomb” it means it was a total failure.

Wellnevermindthen · 3 points · Posted at 10:50:27 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Bomb as in good. Didn’t think about the other connotation there!

TeHokioi · 1 points · Posted at 07:45:37 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Could be bomb as in 'that movie was the bomb' but unfortunate choice of words for sure

Wellnevermindthen · 1 points · Posted at 10:49:43 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Yeah this is what I meant. I’m not good at slang lol

MilkyJosephson · 4 points · Posted at 02:14:57 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I was too scared to ask, figuring I must have missed the title.

mane_mariah · 8 points · Posted at 19:54:15 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Is this a real thing?

caitlinadian · 8 points · Posted at 23:43:27 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Nope, was a comment on this thread that has since been deleted.

TreyWait · 5 points · Posted at 05:47:17 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

One flaw I can point out. Hitler was recruited by the military to infiltrate the Nazi party as a spy. It wasn't until he started going to the meetings that he discovered he was totally on board with their agenda.

[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 15:00:24 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I swear, Hitler's early life sounds like a poorly-written prequel.

TreyWait · 3 points · Posted at 21:53:33 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

There's also how he was in love with his cousin who he kept kind of like a mistress in an apartment he paid for, who killed herself, and how that was hushed up. There were rumors that Hitler had some scat fetishes and that that was part of the reason she killer herself. Also there's Hitlers' ne'er-do-well bother who was basically paid to keep out of the public eye. He had a series of failed businesses and eventually ran away to Britain before the war.

_MickTravis · 4 points · Posted at 06:17:34 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

So Cillian Murphy is a lesbian?

vorpalpillow · 2 points · Posted at 08:28:19 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I've never known any personally, but isn't Danny Thomas one?

RhllorTheLordOfLight · 3 points · Posted at 08:52:26 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

As soon as he gets rejected from Art school and joins a war I think a huge number of people would figure it out

julioseizure · 6 points · Posted at 04:41:43 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Seth Rogan and the writers of the Preacher series owe somebody some money.

https://youtu.be/z4Qr34-jL3Y

TheSpiderLady88 · 3 points · Posted at 03:17:19 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Can you explain the Cillian Murphey part to me, please?

WhatIsThisBot · 1 points · Posted at 15:59:46 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

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Cptbanshee · 1 points · Posted at 03:10:22 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I would watch the shit out of this movie

Crizco-ok · 1 points · Posted at 09:29:27 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I am reading this through a naff client on my phone so apologies if it is answered elsewhere, what is the name of the film?

j3rry1103 · 1 points · Posted at 23:07:23 on June 28, 2018 · (Permalink)

Is this an actual movie?

browsingonmywii · 1 points · Posted at 05:39:10 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

What's the movie title?

romulusnr · 109 points · Posted at 18:44:55 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Similar to the opening scene of Doctor Who episode "The Magician's Apprentice," where you see a frightened little boy in the middle of a mine field in the middle of an active war zone, and the Doctor tries to help him, and then when he asks the boy's name, it's Davros, one of the Doctor's longest and worst foes.

Seemlypercy · 25 points · Posted at 19:55:30 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

That episode was a real pickle

BSA_DEMAX51 · 38 points · Posted at 18:05:18 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

You should read the Roald Dahl short story Genesis and Catastrophe

BelligerentSoup · 5 points · Posted at 00:09:35 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Or watch it on Amazon Prime. Tales of the Unexpected, season two, episode twelve.

kiyoledah · 3 points · Posted at 00:18:47 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

WHAT? watch it? whoa dude

Carbon-Based · 102 points · Posted at 16:12:54 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

I’m no fan of Adolf Hitler, but this film needs to be made.

SinJinQLB · 70 points · Posted at 17:43:05 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

I'm a fan of Hitler only because he killed Hitler.

Sazley · 36 points · Posted at 18:29:24 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

inb4 "Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler."

[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 15:01:14 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

But then he killed the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler.

mariofan366 · 1 points · Posted at 01:12:31 on May 13, 2018 · (Permalink)

Yes but remember he killed the guy who killed the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler.

gfycatsucks · 8 points · Posted at 17:46:39 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Or did he...

SinJinQLB · 7 points · Posted at 17:51:29 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Dun dun DUN!

SolidMiddle · 27 points · Posted at 19:40:43 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Not an answer but basically the plot of that one Black Mirror episode

🎙️ slightlydampsock · 10 points · Posted at 20:23:05 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

What was the name of the episode?

jakmanuk · 26 points · Posted at 21:00:49 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Whitebear??

Entschuldigung32 · 15 points · Posted at 23:10:47 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Or possibly Shut Up and Dance...

tootitorbootit · 4 points · Posted at 01:13:47 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

My first thought was S4E1... Black Mirror likes that twist!

ekolis · 11 points · Posted at 00:33:26 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

No idea, but it sounds a bit like the Star Wars prequels...

Volraith · 23 points · Posted at 02:23:48 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I hate the prequels. They're coarse, and rough, and they get everywhere.

kolakid11 · 7 points · Posted at 08:50:04 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

But from my point of view the original trilogy is evil!!!

DarthFarious · 4 points · Posted at 13:48:49 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I hate the prequels.

So uncivilized.

🎙️ slightlydampsock · 1 points · Posted at 03:08:44 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

How?

ekolis · 4 points · Posted at 03:19:45 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Darth Vader = Hitler

okasdfalt · 3 points · Posted at 04:30:53 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

Based on my extremely limited knowledge of Star Wars, the good guy we root for in the prequels turns out to be a bad guy with a lot of political power in the original trilogy.

ScrithWire · 12 points · Posted at 23:26:54 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

Oh my god. I love this idea! Take it a step further. Have it focus on his personal life throughout his suicide, and have the whole nazi thing just be something he refers to in conversation (as like, "work", or something).

Like, he goes to the bar one day because he needed to relax after a rough day at work. But the movie only has him say "rough day at work today" and then proceeds to talk about other things with the bar patrons.

This can allow the movie to possibly make it all the way up to his death, or even the thick of the atrocities committed, before revealing that the character is actually hitler.

It'd be a movie that requires no less than 2 viewings to glean the full impact.

Tensuke · 16 points · Posted at 23:52:13 on April 6, 2018 · (Permalink)

The only problem is you'd have to either never show his face, which would be doable, but difficult, or not give him the mustache, which would just be weird. The stache is too iconic.

ScrithWire · 6 points · Posted at 00:13:12 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

True. Though you could just change it, because it is just a movie after all. lol

Tactical-Power-Guard · 4 points · Posted at 11:22:40 on July 11, 2018 · (Permalink)

If the movie actually had you cheering for hitler then it must leave out some important details in his life, so imo it wouldnt really be authentice b/c hitler was violent and crazy, even without the racism and killings he wasnt all that good of a man. If you leave out the bad parts of a persons life, of course people will cheer for them but I dont think that would make it impactful.

Edit: sorry, I didnt relize how old your comment was when I replied to it.

LockedOutOfElfland · 6 points · Posted at 01:08:42 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

I saw a student film to this effect several years ago as a short by a BFA student - showed Hitler as a young artist obsessed with wolves, who got the tar beaten out of him with impunity by his parents. Probably not what you're talking about, though.

ag425 · 3 points · Posted at 00:52:48 on April 7, 2018 · (Permalink)

This movie - Max (2002) is very much like what you're describing. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290210/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_43

BelCifer · 1 points · Posted at 16:54:35 on April 20, 2018 · (Permalink)