๐๏ธ Corelulos ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 11:07:50 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An open letter to Neil DeGrasse Tyson asking 12 simple questions regarding the shape and Nature of our Earth. These questions are asked in all seriousness and requires straight-forward tangible answers free from mathematical constructs, abstract concepts, impenetrable technical jargon or so-called proof from NASA
A petition has been started to request that NASA or the Scientific Community answer these questions, sign the petition here:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/requesting-nasa-or-government-funded-science-agencies-respond-12-flat-earth-questions
Grakchawwaa ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 09:24:07 on April 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask why it's exactly Neil DeGrasse Tyson whom the video is addressed to?
decdec ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:37:33 on April 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hes taken a few cheap shots at flat earth lately and cheesed people off, this video captures the sentiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJhiy4YVz6k
Grakchawwaa ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 09:41:14 on April 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That I understand, but if the answers being looked for are in search of the alternative point of view, shouldn't it be either a more open address or an address to someone more capable? NDT is often perceived as a charismatic scientist rather than a brilliant scientist.
decdec ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:51:18 on April 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
anyone can answer whatever they want, this is specifically to ndt, where is it saying nobody else can answer, this is a tactic of a FE community who are trying to gain traction by milking someone popular who was foolish enough to address the situation in a derogatory manner.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:22 on May 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting video.
I find some of the questions a bit silly, for instance, the last one regarding the height/shape of the ocean (you could perform a similar experiment in your kitchen, get a sink of water and fill it with objects, the water will fill the gaps and still remain flat on the surface) however the premise is right; theories are never definite, the flat earth theory has every right to be debated and tested.
One segment that stuck out for me though; that ketchup bottle. Very fucking interesting.
wonderloss ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not think Tyson is capable of answering questions without being condescending, so I am not sure why flat-earthers expect to be treated differently.
๐๏ธ Corelulos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:08:41 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We would like these questions answered because we genuinely want to understand. Keep in mind we all went to school too. Most of us didn't go to college to learn astrophysics and astronomy or physics. Some didn't even go to college. We are all trying our best to understand and make sense of what is evident to our eyes, yet is explained to us to the apparent contrary. The questions that were presented, at least for us, are pretty well put together and express our genuine desire to learn the answers. Part of the reason this was addressed to 'the Grass" is that on some things he seems to be able to explain things in lay terms pretty well, the other part is that some of his explanations seem to be contradictory to what we can observe. 'The Grass' also has a way of being downright condescending about the Flat Earth inquiries, if he is so passionate about science then perhaps he could actually help us out by educating us rather than trying to make us look like fools. He and his peers all seem to have the same reaction when asked about the flat earth. We think it is because they are so enamored of their Helio-globe-oblate-pear shaped-theory that the flat earth actually threatens them, because if we are correct it shuts them down, exposes them as liars and they have to find a new way to eat. (welcome to the food stamp line in other words.)๏ปฟ
Squid10 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:27:59 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can answers be posted here though? I think the subreddit rules say a post must be a question or supportive of Flat Earth, so even if there were answers you couldn't post them here.
Deflated_Planet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:19 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think op was meaning Tyson would post here, rather the post title is just referencing the YouTube title in the link.
Squid10 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:32:29 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but what about other people? It seems difficult to claim a genuine desire to understand other views in a place where their expression is forbidden.
It just seems a weird sentiment to express in what is necessarily an echo chamber. Even if Tyson did respond, posting his video would be against the rules.
decdec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:49 on March 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
echo chamber is such foolish talk, like we dont have access to the rest of the internet? like i cant look at every other sub on reddit that is pro status quo? because we dont tolerate the flood of fools coming in here to gripe and spew their opinions in a place that is specifically not for them to do so its an echo chamber? If i go into r/communism and go NO YOU CLOWNS FREE MARKETS IS THE ONLY WAY TO PROSPERITY! what do you think will happen? i dont see everyone rushing over there to call them an echo chamber.
so sick of hearing this childish nonsense argument.
Squid10 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:51:49 on March 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misunderstand my point. Having a safe place to talk about a controversial topic only with those who agree with you is just fine. There isn't anything necessarily bad about echo chambers, they are often very comfortable. But of the topics which are appropriate to such a setting, basically the only thing not suitable is asking for the expression of an opposing viewpoint!
Consider if we had a forum for tea enthusiasts. If you don't like tea you aren't welcome. Why would I link a video calling someone out to explain why they don't like tea, and follow it up with a post in the comments about how I'm genuinely trying to understand why someone wouldn't like tea? Even if someone had good reasons there is no path to deliver them, so how genuine can the desire be? If I actually wanted to understand about not liking tea such a forum would be the last place in the world to get such an explanation.
decdec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:37 on March 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
right but..
yeah how about, the topics which are appropriate to such a setting are whatever we feel is appropriate, your opinion on this matter does not register with us.
if you come to this place with the presupposition that the earth is a globe and everything here is foolishness, then everything here will be foolishness, coming here to express to us that it appears that way to you is pointless and not the point of this subreddit.
Deflated_Planet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:52 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's in order to stop the giant flood of comments that would drown everything out here if they didn't make it an echo chamber. If you need discussion for and against flat earth there are plenty of other forums and websites you can find with a quick Google search. In this sub we can talk about FE without being constantly attacked.
๐๏ธ Corelulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:46 on March 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, I would expect that if Tyson were to actually answer the request, it would likely be posted on Youtube.
/u/Squid10 If you wish to answer any of the questions, feel free to and then post a link here to your responses.
As many of us here have plainly stated, we have all been taught the same way about the globe model and all the same information you have been taught. Our aim here is to explore and discover and discuss the Flat Earth model. I posted the above link here because the questions posed were some that I hadn't even thought about yet, perhaps others here also can find some more avenues to consider as well.
damage3245 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:43:29 on April 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sort of understandable.
RunAMuckGirl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:44:06 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting so I can keep track of the fascinating and respectful discussion that will happen in this thread. Great post. Thank you /u/Corelulos. =]
๐๏ธ Corelulos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:00 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome. :-)
๐๏ธ Corelulos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:23 on March 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To add another question to this post: I read a post, I think it was on YouTube, of a person who is / was a radar operator in the Navy or on a ship. He stated that he was aware that the radar had a range of up to 120 miles. According to the math, on the globe that would be essentially useless and impossible, as an object that far away would be very far below the line of sight of the radar, yet they routinely pick up ships that far away. Radar just wouldn't work without line of sight.
ThatStutterGuy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on April 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're misunderstanding the fundamental way radar works my friend. Radar does not work on a "line of sight" based detection system. Radar technology varies but the average reader pings out a electro magnetic wave and the wave can propagate about twice that of the detection range accurately the ping when hitting an object the ping bounces back at the receiver and by using a few equations you can figure out the direction and distance to that object and its heading. Radar is not perfect and nothing like you see in the movies. Radar gives an approximate location and sometimes the size is close. Although most radars don't care about size only location. If you want to read up on it I suggest you to study it yourself through testing how to detect electromagnetic waves yourself and not take my words for true. I hope you understand how radar works so my friend.
Deflated_Planet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:48 on March 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when he had that rap feud with bob? He was super condescending and dismissive about the whole thing. I guarantee he would have nothing but malice to spew at the flat earth. Hell, he's even an ass to people interested in mainstream science as we saw here
https://np.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4bwshx/why_are_people_so_mean_to_neil_degrasse_tyson_on/d1daa05?context