Coworker shares his opinion, but you'll never guess what the truth is.

Dale is that you?

Dude PC UW. You PC too bro? I had no idea there were so many like minded individuals on this website!

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Confederacy of Independent Systems duh. He's a filthy imperial sympathizer what else needs explained?

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Does anyone?

Can we trust 'im to crown the right person?

I'll be the first to say that the term, "bigot," is thrown around pretty damn loosely these days, but I can't stand when people cry about their freedom of speech when they're called out on their bullshit. Guess what buddy? You're not a prisoner of the state for criticizing the government, so no, your first amendment rights aren't compromised. You have a right to make shitty comments just like those who disagree have a right to verbalize their opinions on them.

It didn't come up in conversation, but he dropped his wallet as he left the train. I looked inside of it and the ID said "Albert Einstein".

Not in Texas.

While on break my coworker told me he hates hypocrites, but I'm actually a massive hypocrite

He's such a hypocrite

What do you call a snowman that does 2000 sit-ups a day? The abdominal snowman! Haaaahaaaa

Oh hi Mark!

Hypocritical?

They come over to his place after school.

I personally find Stitches very attractive.

I'm not gonna judge him: To each, his own.

You see no means they secretly want it. Biotruths

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Admittedly while I as a cis person would want to know if a girl was trans or not, I don't think they are obligated to tell me anything. I completely understand why I trans person would not feel the need to open up about their gender identity to someone, especially not if they aren't in a serious relationship with that person.

I also don't understand exactly when a trans person is supposed to disclose that information to someone, assuming they would do it before hooking up with that person. I don't think it would be fair to expect someone to tell everyone who is hitting on them about something incredibly personal and painful.

Exactly. If you're in a serious longterm relationship, it should probably come out at some point. In the same way that any sort of deeply personal information should probably become public with someone you love.

But if you're just dating? Or having a one-night stand? It's not anyone's business. Trans people have no obligation to blurt out "I'm trans" the moment someone asks them out. If I ask someone out and sleep with them, it means I'm attracted to them. Their personal history has nothing to do with my decision to go on a date and sleep with them.

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I think people just need to make an effort to look it at from a trans person's perspective. Because my immediate gut reaction would be to say that trans people should be open about their situation, but the more I think about the more unreasonable that seems. I wouldn't want to have to tell every person i flirted with about very personal and sensitive topics, especially if I had no way of knowing how they'd react.

And in the end I wouldn't really be the victim of anything by sleeping with a woman I didn't even know was trans.

Sorry that I'm not attracted to fuxking guys with their dicks chopped off. I could give a fuck of I offend you, I like real girls not fucking dudes.

I don't particularly care what you believe. Carry on.

You do realize not all trans women have deep voices, are tall, etc right? I think you're just reinforcing the idea that you're only noticing trans people who are visibly trans.

Well that's a silly generalisation based on absolutely no concrete evidence if I ever heard one! How do you know?

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Or that people just don't say anything out of kindness.

I haven't been accused of transphobia yet for the cardinal sin of saying that men and women have different bodies that can't be totally altered to resemble each other yet.

So hope springs eternal for civility.

Edit: I take that back, this has been downvoted. Thanks SJWs.

I think we're talking about two different success conditions for passing.

If we're talking about "able to walk through a crowd and not be immediately noticed as trans", yes, I'm sure plenty can do that.

But I was talking about the situation in the post, where a person is around other people day-in and day-out for months.

Then you stop thinking "that's an ugly woman" and start thinking "is that person trans"?

I've seen many before/afters for HRT, and 99% of the time I can't tell the difference.

If I missed your point before, you certainly didn't clear it up with your response, I'm sad to say.

I doubt that very much, it seems far more likely that you're turning this into a pissing contest.

Hormone replacement doesn't do anything to change the skeletal frame indicators that give away trans people.

But the trans population that do pass, you'll never think twice about, and thus they won't count against your notion that only a small part of trans people pass.

There are only a minuscule number of trans people period, so no, I'm afraid that math wouldn't work, because you could only divide such a vanishingly small population into fractions so many times before you were literally talking about a handful of people.

As I've said multiple times: I really doubt it.

Men don't just have facial hair and more masculine features, they also have different sizes and shapes to their skeletal frames, which plastic surgery isn't going to be able to fix.

So the only ones who would be able to "pass" would be the extremely small minority of trans people (itself a minority so extremely small it barely exists) who were born with frames that don't look like their biological sex.

But hey, why read that when you can repeat this odious "but what if there's a secret HUGE number of invisible trans people" argument I've already addressed so many times?

You realize you just proved my point exactly?

No, I don't. It hasn't been done at this point.

For example, when the Curious Case of Benjamin Button came out, many thought the facial effects were done with physical objects but it was entirely CGI.

Uhhhh....who are these "many people"? People currently getting glaucoma surgery? That is obviously CGI.

yes, it was addressed when we all took a vote and concluded that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Oh, you misunderstood. I was referring to another comment that I made addressing this point, not your asinine fantasies that you're clever.

Thanks for the great reply to the shitbag :)

That "weirdness" you feel actually has a term internalized transphobia. Don't take it as an insult a lot of people deal with it including trans people, and generally the only way to get over those feelings is to meet or talk to trans people. But honestly the fact that you are okay with them, not blaming them for the way they feel, and willing to befriend them is already a great start.

/u/Almostlastplace is right, that feeling is transphobia, and also you shouldn't necessarily feel bad about it- you're clearly not acting out on it and I think it's normal for people to feel weird about something that they've never really been exposed to. I'm a trans person and honestly I felt really weird being around other trans people at first- that feeling is really deeply ingrained in us by society, media, and culture. If you're actually around trans people for long then you realize we're just like pretty much any other people- some of us our nice, some of us are assholes, some of us are perfectly normal human beings, and others are socially awkward weirdos.

People like you are honestly the reason that I'm open about being trans even though I'd prefer not to be; I'm a reasonably socially well adjusted person (I mean, measured against the yardstick of other folks in IT I suppose), I blend in well, and I could probably be stealth if I wanted to- but I think people need to know that they know trans people so they can get past those awkward feelings. There are a lot of us that are very vulnerable, and people who are first starting out with their transition often are awkward and weird, just like anyone starting puberty (because that's what transition is really, a second, correct, puberty) but that's when we're most visible to the world.

This is either a straw man, or you are genuinely deeply confused about the argument.

I'll try to alleviate your confusion.

"Passing" does not mean "can a carefully staged picture make a trans person look non-trans". So you are tilting at windmills.

One would hope that you'd put that together, given that the case in the thread isn't about pictures. But I guess that was too much to ask for this weird agenda you have.

its pretty obvious they're all trans except for the last one, because her hair is covering most of her cheek bones on the side facing+a realistic makeup job make her look real.

Edit: the first one looks real too. But her jawline and cheek bones are that of a males. Thats the only way you can tell, they have man-ish features or plastic surgery (which is also obvious most of the time) like no. 3