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This is illegal under most State/Local shield laws (usually an exception for violent crimes).
Mongo1021 ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 21:18:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great point.
How does he plan to compile this information? The various law enforcement authorities aren't going to do it. It's illegal, unconstitutional and immoral.
It won't happen. They will say they don't collect that data, or some other excuse.
Actually, some law enforcement agencies, like the Maricopa County moron, will gladly hand over the lists, but the majority of law enforcement won't do it.
When I was in Phoenix, they had copies of arrests of the week with mug shots. I think it's pretty despicable to ruin someone's life for fun like that instead of giving them a chance at rehabilitation. They'll probably need to take locally sourced news stories which receive occasional tips from cops looking to make an extra buck.
I really don't think his team is intelligent enough or hardworking enough to go through the amount of work it would take to compile this horrendous list.
Its a news paper now. When Apairo was in office you can pay 3.99 (I think) for a monthly newspaper with all mugshots and ads. It was like Auto Trend but with mugshots.
Then the news they take some of these and plaster it with "mugshots of the day." Its pretty sad. You can see with some of them they just need help. But they are paraded around to make them look like degenerates. Yet our last Sheriff decided to use tax payers money to fund a legal battle that we was found guilty of.
You talking about that "the slammer" paper? Good friend of mine was on the front page of that... Didn't ruin his life any worse then he already had, but he didn't deserve to get publicly humiliated for smoking a one hitter outside of a bar, looking disheveled and having some weird tattoos. Could only imagine how embarrassing it must be for your friends/relatives/coworkers to see your face plastered all over on some mugshot rag in a 7-11.
Yes, but Germany has learned that lesson. They shall never fall victim to that again. It is illegal for a Fascist to run for office in Germany. We on the other hand, haven't learned a thing. We think fascist means socialist means communist means liberal, and that the only thing that the Nazi's did that was wrong was kill jews...and invade others lands... totally missing so much of the fucking point!
I realise that the same legal protection isn't afforded them, but there are plenty of cases where people are innocent, and exonerated, or arrested for reasons that don't justify a public humiliation.
Perhaps it's an American thing; I don't recall seeing this done anywhere else. It's a little like putting people in stocks, and I think that these kind of things create the kind of society you live in. I really believe that.
Cielle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He finally got ousted, thankfully - but yeah, it was.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lived in a small, rural Tennessee town a few years back, and there was a weekly publication that had mugshots and a brief blurb on their arrest. Not that what they were convicted of. You could buy them in gas stations and grocery stores for a dollar or so.
I think it's pretty despicable to ruin someone's life for fun like that instead of giving them a chance at rehabilitation.
Not just rehabilitation, let's also keep in mind that an arrest is not a conviction, and plenty of people who are arrested have the charges dismissed or are found innocent at trial.
I really don't think his team is intelligent enough or hardworking enough to go through the amount of work it would take to compile this horrendous list.
I don't think they're intelligent or hardworking enough to compile ACCURATE lists, but I have the funniest feeling that accuracy might not wind up being their primary objective.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm if the list is so horrendous and takes so long to compile...I think we have some deporting to do!
Cute how you twist facts. Going through hundreds of thousands of jurisdictions (state/fed/local/city/district) for arrests vs. convictions is going to waste a LOT of time and money. All this list is going to do is demonize legal and illegal immigrants which make up 14% of the overall population (illegals making up less than 1/2 of 1 %). Why not publish a list with all violent criminals?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BTW, we already deport illegal and legal immigrants who commit crimes and have done so for decades. This is nothing new so stop pretending like Trump thought up deportation for criminals or border security. If you knew anything, you'd know that 40% of illegals here are VISA overstays who crossed into this country legally. No one is advocating keeping criminals here who are illegals, this is just a stupid and sensational way to go about doing something we're already doing.
U mad? Sad?
Yes, and protecting all us boils down to catching ALL criminals. Focusing only on illegals is stupid and you won't find any sane police department doing it.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not mad. I'm getting exactly what I want and what America needs. You people clearly have never heard about the power of the purse. For example, bone up on the commerce clause if you want to see how far the federal government can twist your precious sanctuary cities' arms. Deblasio is going to be on his knees faster than a whore at the bunny ranch. Reeee!
Illegal immigration is a federal issue. The power of the police is protected by the 10th amendment. That would be quite authoritarian for Trump to use federal powers to do the State's job? I can do this all night long.
The constitutional scholar abused the constitution so much you sock puppets don't even know what is in it. Reeee!
Ain't no thing, my intent was to reassure more than correct. Sheriff Joe isn't there anymore, which isn't a huge silver lining but we need to grab onto all of them we can get!
Bannon will hand him a fake list and Trump will regurgitate it. And then Spicer will defend it as "alternative statistics" and Conway will defend Spicer.
And the only thing most Americans will get from it all is "Oh, shit, I'm completely right to fear and despise brown people. Just look at how much crime they're committing."
What do you mean "compile information"? If they don't have any facts, they'll use alternative ones. Hell, they'll even use those alternative ones if they do have the actual facts.
Or he may solve some personal issues with certain (illegal) immigrants who got angry with him for never being payed out by him. You know Trump's motto:
One of the things you should do in terms of success: If somebody hits you, you've got to hit 'em back five times harder than they ever thought possible. You've got to get even. Get even. And the reason, the reason you do, is so importantโฆThe reason you do, you have to do it, because if they do that to you, you have to leave a telltale sign that they just can't take advantage of you.
When will Alicia Machado or Gonzalo Curiel appear on the list? And how long will it take before one of them gets a visit from an angry Trump hothead like that pizzeria that was mentioned in the made up conspiracy right before the election?
It could be when city officers work with ICE deport immigrants, those offensives will be published. Even with sanctuary cities if you commit a major crime they will contact ICE. Obama deported on average 6000 immigrants a week. If only 10% of those committed a crime to get caught that list is still 600 a week. It adds up and makes other Mexicans look like they are all degenerates even though the vast majority are law abiding people. This is to make the American people turn against Mexicans.
The worst part is the very few that commit major crimes (rape, murder, child molestation) will get spot light by the media and after weeks and months of this. The reputation of the Mexican people will get diminished and make Trump point of "They send us their rapist..." comment seem like he had some insight that the rest of us lacked.
Ctaly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And let's not forget that all Hispanic people are viewed as Mexicans regardless of actual origin. And the question then is, does he also publish crimes committed by US citizens, of which there are more than enough to go around.
How does he plan to compile this information? The various law enforcement authorities aren't going to do it. It's illegal, unconstitutional and immoral.
I agree that it is immoral, but I don't believe it would be illegal or Unconstitutional.
The most pertinent piece of case law on this issue is Printz v. United States. That case addressed the Constitutionality of so-called "executive commandeering," which is about the extent of what the federal government can direct state executive officials like local law enforcement agencies to do.
The law actually immunizes local officials from federal control to a great extent, but says in dictum that "ministerial reporting requirements" would not violate the Constitution. This means that the federal government could probably make local enforcement agencies hand over their information.
I don't like the result personally, but it would probably be consistent with contemporary Constitutional case law.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make them up. I guarantee it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is unconstitutional illegal and immoral about it
some law enforcement agencies, like the Maricopa County moron, will gladly hand over the lists
If you are referring to the notorious sheriff Joe Arpaio he has finally been voted out of office and was no longer the sheriff of Maricopa County as of the 1st of this month.
So uh, you know, small victories even amidst a political climate of absolute chaos.
That is a great point. There are Unites States federal, state, and local laws that protect US citizens, green-card holders, people with visas and work permits.
How dare Trump disclose information on illegal aliens who have committed crimes on US soil because of one reddit users' gross misunderstanding of what shield laws are?!?! Think of the children! Give this man some gold! Call CNN!
er crime statistics are already collected, Trump is just making the data public.
oced2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, some law enforcement agencies, like the Maricopa County moron, will gladly hand over the lists, but the majority of law enforcement won't do it.
But that is probably all he will need. It will make the problem look worse than it actually is because of that asshole targets Latinos. Plus it will just confirm the bias that his voters already have.
Remember, this are the same people that believe that John Lewis's district is some kind of post apocalyptic wasteland that is ruled by thugs (blacks).
i_smart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does he plan to compile this information?
Since when has Donald Trump let the facts get in the way of a good story?
How is publishing a matter of public record illegal or unconstitutional? Law enforcement around the country (world) does so regularly.
And fyi? The "Maricopa County moron" was voted out. Pay attention.
Ctaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't think it was necessarily wrong, if he also published the crimes of US citizens as well. He's choosing a specific group and as far as I've read not making a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.
Not that, that matters in the end. Publish away, I say. But don't try and make it like immigrants are the only ones commiting crimes in America- is if they have a monopoly on crime commiting.
I can open my newspaper or watch my local news to see that in fact lots of people commit crimes and they are all from different walks of life. Let's make sure we remember that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ctaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't disagree to a large part, except this - Trump, as the president of the US, is making the distinction not the media. He is separating immigrants (legal or otherwise) from the rest of the citizenship. He is saying to citizens, by this act, look how bad immigrants are. They are not deserving of your respect or empathy. They are criminals. And highlighting this does nothing to establish the baseline that immigrants aren't the only ones commiting crimes. That in fact all demographics of society tend to commit crimes.
By this separation he makes it ok to treat immigrants with disdain, hate and revulsion. Not criminals as a whole, but specifically immigrants (legal or otherwise), whether they have committed crimes or not.
The FBI already has a data base for criminal activity and it breakdown who is commiting what, and at what numbers they are doing it. But they don't say hey, guys check out this one group cause we don't like them. And that is my contention with this move by Trump.
As far as I understand things, only those illegals that commit crimes will be posted. Just like my local sherrif's office posts pictures of arrestees. The news already does an excellent job of pointing out the multi-time deportees that continue to cross the border to commit crimes. This whole issue seems very mountain-from-molehill to me.
Every single citizens criminal report is available on case net for free. Illegal aliens should be treated the same, and are not governed or protected by the same laws since they are not citizens.
Wake up and read people. It's not that hard to find this information. Stop believing ever Internet moron who claims something is illegal.
Sanctuary cities are a problem. I would challenge you to find a single study that shows them providing benefit to citizens of that city or economical benefit in any form. Illegal immigration costs tax payers over 100 billion dollars annually. If you support that, your a moron.
Source? Police blotters and public court records have been around for years, IMO this is no different except that it targets a specific group of people, which I personally disagree with. Unless your state has a law specifically banning targeted releases of public information, I doubt it's illegal. Genuine question by the way, not trolling.
That doesn't really say that it's illegal in other states, just that arrest reports may be harder to come by. Federal crimes are and likely always will be public information. If someone is accused or convicted of a crime, that information is public.
Yeah, but I'm assuming he's only talking about federal crimes. Those are really the only records he'd have any authority to release, unless they were already considered public information, AFAIK.
I doubt he'd break the law to release information about the drunk immigrant pissing on the corner of a building in a sanctuary city.
Fair enough. The Hitler angle, while true, is a little much. I just don't like demonizing any group. Let's be honest, there are more illegals overstaying VISAs from Canada by a large margin than Mexico but we're not putting up a wall with Canada, now are we? Truthfully 40% of all illegals are here on overstayed VISAs and we aren't enforcing that. To give you a perspective, that's 4 million out of the 12 million (upper estimate). Given our population is some 330 million at this point, you're looking at less than 1/2 of 1% of our present population consists of illegal aliens. Which is clearly just racist dogma and scapegoating.
Also, you need a conviction before you can state that someone committed a crime. From what I gather, trump's intent as to publish a list of "crimes" where certain jurisdictions do not cooperate with his USCIS agents in handing over perps. But at that point, these perps are just that, alleged perps. Circumventing the entire judicial process and calling these suspects "criminals" is the exact idiotic thing that only trumpe could think up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he didn't list the actual names of the offenders and just showed the statistics to try and show a correlation between crime rate and if it's a sanctuary city or not (which is highly unethical, and would breed the same hate Hitler tried stirring up), I can see him using that as a loophole right? It still is a means to an end in
I don't think i'd mind that, actually. Problematically, those sanctuary cities are some of the safest in the country.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about.
You can look up criminal reports yourself, its all public information.
Here is the one for PA.
Enjoy.
https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/
wwlink1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.. It is illegal when talking about an American citizen. But I think you missed the big elephant in the room. They aren't citizens.
i_smart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's not illegal if the president does it" -Richard Nixon.
Vorbiz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good thing he actually said Illegal immigrants
Actually, he didn't, which means legal aliens too:
The order reads:
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by
aliens
and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such
They are not citizens, they are here illegally so they have no rights. Why is that so hard to understand? Oh that's right y'all are liberal so common sense doesn't apply.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not mad at "criminals" being exposed.
1. Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.
2. I don't like the idea of encouraging vigilantism which this list would almost certainly do.
3. I'm for enforcing immigration laws but believe we need to use common sense. Specifically scapegoating a specific people when EVERY group commits crimes is pretty Hitler-ish, no?
Adding 1/2 of 1 % of the population of this country to a federal list disturbs me. Adding another 13% of the population to that list should disturb everybody. Why not make a list of EVERYONE who commits a violent crime? Why is it suddenly more disturbing if an alien commits a violent crime instead of a U.S. citizen?
Well the FBI collects aggregate statistics but not detailed and publishes them annually, I believe. I'm not sure how this helps us, though. Surely not all illegal aliens are criminals any more than all white or black people are criminals. It's like a bad SAT question which doesn't get us to the heart of stopping crime other than making a single group look bad.
The more data we have, the more verifiable the "not all" claims are.
Surely not all illegal aliens are criminals
They are criminals, that's what "illegal" means. If they're nonviolent then the data should reflect that. We can't determine percentages for them because we don't know how many there are, but that's part of the problem with illegal aliens.
๐๏ธ Michigang ยท 2104 points ยท Posted at 16:20:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump, after winning the election, vowed to "bring people together as never before." Well, this is certainly a novel approach: publishing weekly lists of criminal immigrants. As noted in the article below, we haven't seen this in America before. It was, however, used by Nazis to give credence to their racist trope that Jews were predisposed to crime. So I suppose this is Trump's Administration giving credence to their racist trope that immigrants are predisposed to crime. Anecdotally of interest: Breitbart publishes articles under the tagline "Black Crime" to highlight their racist trope that African Americans are predisposed to crime. Breitbart's publisher, Steven Bannon, is a senior adviser to the Trump Administration.
It was, however, used by Nazis to give credence to their racist trope that Jews were predisposed to crime
Anecdotally of interest: Breitbart publishes articles under the tagline "Black Crime" to highlight their racist trope that African Americans are predisposed to crime.
Also of interest: last year Trump tweeted an image of obviously false statistics about crime, including African Americans being responsible for 81% off white homicides. The original graphic came from a neo Nazi website.
Did he tweet it knowing it was a lie and knowing where it came from because he knew it would appeal to his base?
Did he tweet it because he was too careless to check the source or isn't intelligent enough to understand that source matters?
Was it because he, the current president of the United States, is so gullible that he'll believe anything he reads online, without fact checking, even if it's ridiculous?
Or is he just so ready to believe negative things about minorities that the 81% stat didn't seem ridiculous at all?
I'm really not sure which one it is (although I would guess it's some combination of the above), and I'm not sure which reason or motivation is the worst.
DrXaos ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 20:17:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess: he did so because he wanted to feel the adulation of his base by appealing to their shared animosities. Factual truth is irrelevant compared to the emotional charge.
You're forgetting that Bannon is probably running the majority of media operations. Trump is just the mouthpiece.
But, I'm becoming genuinely scared for the country. The ease at which Trump's administration lies and the way his supporters unquestioningly consume them is terrifying. It may not be enough for the media to identify his lies if most republicans distrust well established news outlets.
I can't believe I'm writing this, but at least Milo Yiannopoulos is not involved as far as we know.
buuda ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:50:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he doesn't go online but watches TV incessantly. In the last few days he has been tweeting out info he must have gotten from Fox News broadcasts. What I believe is happening is that Steve Bannon is telling him these things and he believes what he is told. I believe his advisors think they can use him for their own purposes.
If I'm correct, wasn't this the image that he got called out about on O'Reilly and his response was something like, "What? Am I supposed to fact check everything?"
When he was asked about it, he said he couldn't be bothered to check the source on it (which was a neo-nazi twitter account) or fact check its statistics (which were fake), because, he said, "I have millions of people."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's no good option there
cgsur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just need to create your alternative reality.
Then you believe your created alternative reality. Then Bam he won the argument and you have to realize he is the greatest.
For example pick a small zone with needed unifying hate object with appropriate tendencies. Maybe add a time frame, you get any statistics you want to back your alternative truth , and of course obfuscate any reasoning or origin.
dizekat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is truly terrifying is that he immediately proceeds to use the state resources to push his propaganda forward, with that list. He knows what he's doing, too - the immigrants in the US have substantially lower crime rate than US citizens do, but publish a list he'll still be promoting the idea that immigrants are more criminal.
The legal immigrants have a particularly exceptional low crime rate as there is a background check combined with the fact that you have to have your shit together to an extent to which most US citizens don't, to be able to immigrate (vast majority of US citizens wouldn't qualify to immigrate to the US if they weren't citizens).
Trump's statistic was not a valid statistic. At all.
In fact, the source cited at the bottom of Trump's image is a completely made up organization. It's all made up to scare gullible people. Trump said over 80%of white victims are murdered by blacks. According to the FBI, the real numbers on black on white homicide and white on black are almost completely flipped. The number trump was looking for there was actually 15%. In fact over 80% of white victims are murdered by other whites, which makes total sense, because most murders are done by people the victim knew, and that's more likely to be someone in your own race. The rest of the statistics he shared are less wrong, but still wrong, and also leaning in the direction which makes African Americans look worse.
Do you have a source on the claim that close to half or most crimes are black crimes? No one is saying crime rates between races are equal, because they aren't. The real murder rates are also skewed according to race (to a lesser extent). However, Trump's claim is a complete and utter lie.
Edit: phrasing
shea241 ยท 2075 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump, after winning the election, vowed to "bring people together as never before."
Trump couldn't unify two legos.
DBek23 ยท 393 points ยท Posted at 18:42:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get a kickstarter for this? Have a lone Fred Trump actor in front of the White House 24/7 in shifts just pointing and screaming loser, over and over, again.
You know, the way he blows his stack over the most minor of insults, maybe everyone including the media should just amp this up to 99. Who knows, with him being 70 and most likely hypertensive from that attitude of his, something good might happen inside his head.
Yippies terrorized Nixon with shit like this. Trump is like a D-Student Nixonian character, he'll ruin himself via public shaming, and by that I mean, he can't avoid this public rancor, there will be no private thought of his that isn't interlaced with fear of being a failure to the American public for the rest of his life. There is no bubble small enough for him. He'll collapse like a shell-shocked WW I soldier once he is thoroughly reviled enough.
Impersonating someone's dead father for the purpose of insulting them is pretty disgusting. Trump is undoubtedly bad for this country, but by doing such a thing you would debase yourself.
You definitely have the right to do that. And you also have the right to play with your own shit in the bathtub. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
When I weighed 300 lbs my ties looked exactly like his. Comically short small end, preposterously long big end, otherwise it would have ended at the top of my belly shelf.
He needs to own up to his weight and get better fitting clothes. I really don't like to fat bash but for him, the ultimate woman body shamer, there are no fucks to give.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:25:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between bodyshaming and pointing out that the guy wears suits that look like they were tailored by a half-blind seamstress with delirium tremens in a funhouse mirror. He can afford proper attire, but this is what he thinks 'success' looks like. He's the fucking President, you'd think he'd at least dress like it, even if he's mentally incapable of acting like it.
Donnadre ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:32:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about a guy who applies orange pancake makeup and leaves large raccoon ovals around the eyes.
The problem is that suits don't fit well for a person with a giant gut
bingaman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of fat guys who can pull it off. This guy is just a slob con man not a billionaire. I don't know how anyone falls for that shit. He might be a billionaire once he's done selling out the country I guess.
muzakx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donnadre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's apparently been dealing with that issue by just progressively increasing his claimed height. Fake height totally helps fix the height to weight ratio.
bingaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tomdarch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:34:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect it has to do with some crazy attempt to cover up how fat he is.
In general though, while he's full of shit about his actual net worth, he's very much rich enough to have people help him look decent in public and get suits that fit, even if it means extensive tailoring.
His inability to understand that he looks terrible is probably his narcissism, but we can infer that he refuses to allow anyone to help him get his shit together looks-wise, including his clearly fashion-aware wife.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I used to wear my ties too, when I was 300 lbs. The short end was hilariously short, and the long end comically long, otherwise it would end at the top of my belly shelf.
As a result, I avoided ties. Now I look for reasons to wear them!
Jmandr2 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 20:13:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone pointed out yesterday, with pics, that he's so bad at it that he has to use scotch tape to keep the tail in place.
Mikey_B ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:22:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've lost all ability to focus on my work because of this. Something about it feels like the straw that finally broke the camel's back and is making my world come crashing down. How could anyone in the wide world of humanity even consider doing this? Literal five-year-olds would come up with a better solution. I am totally dumbfounded.
WHY?????????
Donnadre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once worked with a man who was fashion challenged and did a similar thing but with a stapler. He was a bigoted leader of the free world though.
I have started to wonder if he has a fine motor control problem that makes it difficult for him to use a tie pin. It would also help explain why he is so uncomfortable with people paying too much attention to his hands.
I've entertained this thought before. He signed everything in thick gold sharpie right? Now everything he signs is in thick black felt tip pen. Those felt tips on both have a lot of friction on paper and don't slide around easily, unlike ballpoints which roll all around if you can't control them well. I've seen elderly people's handwriting when it gets hard for them to manipulate things and there's a lot of "wiggle" around, or when they have obvious tremors. The resistance of a felt tip could help control this wobble.
And when you look at his signature it's really up and down squiggles, and very big. He could just be signing it big as an ego thing (trying to be the next John Hancock) or its to overcome fine motor trouble by using larger movements. A lot of conditions that can have effects on mental capacity also degrade fine motor movements.
I know this sounds very conspiratorial and far fetched but I just keep seeing little things like that and it just keeps adding up in my head. It also just could be I can't help but analyze everything he does.
Jmandr2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:12:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The short bit behind the tie. He ties it so short it doesn't reach the holder and I guess he's never heard of a tie clip. So he tapes it to the back.
What's just as infuriating is that he could just have his ties made longer, it's not like he can't afford it! Also, if you shop at any big and tall men's store, the ties are longer!
The damn thing usually hangs down to his crotch too. Colbert was cracking me up the other day when he came out with it hanging all the way down to his pant leg.
OK.. can you show me when he killed a Muslim child?
Unlike Obama that blew up a wedding and a Doctors With Out Borders Hospital...
Also, I'm pretty sure the #1 threat to muslim children are Muslim men, epically if it's a girl. Considering how they still kill baby girls, never stop killing each-other, oh and yeah child rape / it's not murder to kill your wife. Especially if she did not obey you..
You said Muslim prayer ritual that required the sacrifice of a child. We all know Muslims kill more Muslims then any other groups. Especially their girls.
DynamicDK ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 19:56:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is unifying women, scientists, environmentalists, immigrants, minorities, entertainers, and many other groups. As time goes on, that list will grow.
He is also energizing them. Pushing them to take time out of their lives to get involved. He may inadvertently be the spark that ignites a political revolution.
Maybe it's all on purpose. Maybe he's pulling an Ozymandias from Watchmen. Maybe he thinks he's sacrificing himself and millions of others for the greater good of everyone.
And maybe he's uniting humanity so we can develop the technology to deliver a part to a Tralfamadorean ambassador whose spaceship broke down on one of Saturn's moons
As if I didn't have enough things to hate about the T, my husband pointed out to me yesterday that he never marries within his own social circles. His chooses wives who are beautiful, and far below him economically. He finds women who "owe" him everything.
I actually do think there can a positive side to this. It's time for moderates, people in the center of politics to define a new vision. The Democrats have lost their way. They have become consumed by the money driven system of Washington. Perhaps people will realize now if they sit on the fence the country might as well be flushed down the toilet.
My only offer for people who think bad of my country, those who do not wish for NATO to help keep peace from Russia, is to invite them here, show the vibrant Western democracy my forefathers have managed to create.
ed_lv ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:06:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slovenians are pretty tame when it comes to that part of the world.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slovenia is pretty nice actually. It's comparable to Sweden.
Although I still agree we should be accurate about her ethnicity.
Slovenia and Sweden are comparable in the same way that New York is comparable to Detroit.
I've taken the sleeper train from Vienna to Slovenia. The differences are stark. You can see the soviet hangover. The on board dinner was a hot sausage and a slice of bread.
Sweden is by any comparison one of the nicest countries in the world. It has the highest happiness rating in the world. It's an amazing place to work in, public transport is cheap and awesome. Every 5th car seems to be a Tesla.
Wouldn't that part of Europe not want Russia to start taking over the former soviet bloc?
Edit: I was wrong in thinking Slovenia was near/in the Russian bloc.
PlayMp1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slovenia borders Austria and Croatia, it was hundreds of miles from the Soviet border and has never been part of the Russian empire or USSR. It's not one of the areas that should be worried about Russian encroachment directly. Those areas would be Finland and the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. That said, Belarus has already been incredibly close to Russia for ages (I think they already have made a preliminary agreement to integrate Belarus into Russia). Poland wants nothing to do with Russia after spending centuries under their thumb (over a hundred years from the last partition of Poland until WW2, then about 50 years from ~1945 to ~1989). Ukraine is the midst of civil war over whether they're wanting to join Russia or not.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:36:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finns want nothing to do with Russia's plans either. They already kicked them out once.
Yes obviously everyone cares about shit that happened hundreds to thousands of years ago in a national pride sense, you really got me. Never realized.
The point is that just because the Finns bloodied the Soviet nose before even WW2 broke out (and mind you, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best, and a loss at worst), doesn't mean the nation today somehow has nothing to fear from Russia, or could easily repel an invasion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
doesn't mean the nation today somehow has nothing to fear from Russia, or could easily repel an invasion.
Can you copy and paste for me exactly where I said they could easily repel an invasion and have nothing at all to fear? Thanks.
Mackinz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lego are amazing, but Megablox is its own thing with its own unique sets like the Halo series. The comparison you propose is not apt in my opinion.
kohlmar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there may have been some improvements in QC some time in the late aughts. When I was a kid though Megablox were very much inferior to LEGO.
Tahl_eN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Lego's patent on block dimensions expired and the quality of most building sets improved dramatically over night. Mega Bloks in the 80's and 90's were rubbish, but the new ones are nearly as good as Lego.
Word up. I just figured the lack of choking hazards would most benefit someone at Trump intellectual level.
PewPews ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, DUPLO is made by LEGO, trump isn't going to spend any more than he has to on connecting blocks. I am sure he is fine with Megablocks and their terrible design and clutch power.
darryh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duplo is a Lego product. They are Legos for babies and toddlers.
No no I think he has. Follow me on this. Half the country hates that orange dildo outright. Scientists, rich entrepreneurs, women, and his own motherfucking departments that keep quitting. Hell even the actors keep dying just to not live through his presidency. He has also united Europe and perhaps the world against him.
Same here and it's really disappointing to me.. I moved here when I was a teenager, and I decided to stay here alone after my parents went back to Ireland. I had to join the Army to get my citizenship and I lived on my recruiters couch for a few weeks while I waited to leave for training. I deployed twice, and took 3 bullets, I literally bled so that I could call this country my own. It's been less than 10 years and I feel rejected. I've had people yell at me to take an American flag off my hat because they found out I was born in Europe, even though it was the same hat and flag that I was given in the military.
I'm so close to finishing school, months, and there are times I seriously feel like just throwing it away and going back to work on the family farm.
[deleted] ยท 195 points ยท Posted at 19:27:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 20:26:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, those are all true. That's part of the reason why we focus so heavily on street crimes, while overlooking the significant harms being done.
paffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people would appear on the immigrant list and the American citizen list. Just being an immigrant doesn't mean you're not American. And there's a thing called the courts that already deals with crimes. The only purpose of Trump's list is to rouse hatred.
dizekat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he has the government resources to push his list. That's what's so terrifying. The first thing he's doing is using state (I mean, government) resources to push his propaganda, which is exactly how dictators operate - they get themselves to be popular by using their government's resources for propaganda.
What does regular, on-going, vocal dissent look like to you? As in, daily or weekly activities that an average person like me (41/f/middle class) can do that will get noticed by other average citizens & people posting on reddit?
I see people complaining about everyone being silent or dismissive, but a LOT of my friends are quite vocal & politically involved (fundraising for candidates, writing to reps, encouraging ppl to vote, etc). How do we make that visible to people so that they see that we on the left aren't sitting idly by (especially in a red state in the midwest where I live)?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do go to protests. But how will OP know? OP will think I'm continuing to sit in silence.
I'm largely being sarcastic, but really just... annoyed that people think that a bunch of us are silent just because they don't see mass demonstrations every day or something? Dunno.
In principle, I'm with you. In reality, the country is collectively sitting on their asses right now. Another march 2 months from now (April 15th) is probably too little too late. There needs to be mass numbers of people in the streets every day. Right now we're lucky to get a couple hundred.
As for Trumpeters going too far, they're already going too far. The Trumpers on my FB feed are absolutely elated that we're going to charge bystanders with 10 years prison and a felony. And they can't wait for "law and order". I'm not counting on them suddenly having a crisis of conscience once someone gets hurt.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bystanders? Last I heard the ones that got arrested and charged were the ones that were actually rioting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, ok. Thanks for the article.
h3lblad3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustained protest is the only protest. Just like a strike, if it ends after the first day then it was a waste of time.
After Bloody Thursday in the 1930s, San Francisco was shut down for four days. The US Postal Strike in the 70s lasted two weeks. If you're only willing to show up and then leave having "said your piece", they'll just wait until you go away and carry on business as usual.
tomdarch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This site has a link so you can find local groups. Pick one and join. Keep up to date on what's going on and volunteer a little time. Get to know people so that you're forming some community.
Indivisible specifically is about how to put pressure on and influence politicians who are currently in office. They watched how the Tea Party did stuff, and are trying to learn some of the effective parts, without the hate and insanity.
Figure out which political/social organizations look like they'll be most effective and donate. Only a very small percentage of the population make political donations, and donating more than $200 per year puts you in the top 1% of people who make political donations.
And how would /u/caponfoam have communicated any of that information so that /u/SlaughterhouseIce9 wouldn't have made the assumption that she was part of some silent majority? Is she (or I) expected to list all of the ways that we are politically active in every one of our posts so that we aren't automatically assumed to be a silent bystander?
My sister went to the march, and i'm trying to make sure i'm available for the scientist march, but aside from what you've mentioned, my wife and I have been stitching the star wars Rebellion logo on our backpacks. Not sure if it'll catch on but we saw it a ton at the women's march.
The fact that I know the majority doesn't feel that way is why I want to stay, despite my girlfriend begging me almost daily to go. I feel like there's still a fight to be had, and I want to be part of that fight. I've given lectures to committees in congress (didn't do anything) got a face to face meeting with my representative the other day (don't think it'll do anything), but there's still a fight.
It's just really disappointing what we've become. It's disappointing that people will value my opinion less because I was born in another country (I mean for fucks sake, it was Ireland, we're just a bunch of lovable drunks) if I don't side with them on an issue. I feel like a WASP dad, I'm not mad I'm just disappointed.
ishywho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you are doing things, lots of folks are awakened and doing things. Its going to take some time but I have hope and actions. Laying down and ignoring this hoping for the best is not an option.
[deleted] ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:57:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See it's this kind of story that I want to ram down Trump's supporters' throats. So often the immigration control/reformation crowd is really the "anti-anyone who hasn't lived here for generations" crowd. They're not pro-American, they're pro-tribe. This country allows you to immigrate, to come over and live here. When you get naturalized, by whatever legal means, you are an American. Full stop. I'm sorry you've had to deal with shit like that after your experience, I'd bet my life you've done more with your life and more for this country than those people yelling ever have or will.
You guys have missed the point entirely. Hardcore Trumpers WILL SUPPORT ANYTHING HE DOES. I don't see why you guys are waiting for something horrible to show to them. It does not matter, it will not matter and it won't ever matter.
We need to focus on energizing our base, not usurping his.
This is important to remember. Trumpers' morality has left the equation over a year ago. The GOP WILL NOT stand up to him.
It's interesting, I have friends, close friends even, that have the same attitude, they say that people who weren't born here need to leave, regardless. Even if I point out that I wasn't born here, sometimes they'll go "Oh but you're different, you've made something out of yourself!" (I'm finishing up grad school), but it's still the same crap. I've noticed many who have this viewpoint have never really traveled outside of their immediate area, not for long term anyway, and most never really got involved in another culture, and I'm sure that's a big part of it.
Older white angry conservatives who were lawyers and believed that Scalia was the best thing to happen to the Supreme Court. It was pretty stupid.
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shhalahr ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:32:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Antonin Scalia was a right wing Supreme Court Justice. Consistently voted in favor of conservative rulings, such as those in the Hobby Lobby and Citizens United cases. Also dissented in Obgerfell v Hodges, which legalized same-sex marriage throughout the US. His death last year created the opening on the Court that the Republicans in Congress refused to consider even filling while Obama remained in office.
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shhalahr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former conservative leaning Supreme Court Justice who was nominated by Reagan. He died probably close to a year ago. Donald Trump is set to nominate a judge to fill in his empty seat.
They might be the parents of the kids who told my 13yo American cousin, also white, that he'd be deported because one of his parents was born in Europe although both he and his parents are US citizens.
Nope, I know I'd be welcome home with open arms from my family and my little village. There's just not the type of jobs that I'm looking for there, and I feel like it's a waste to go be a farmer. However I have a box of cash and my passport ready if I feel like I have to go.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bleeding for the flag you chose. I respect the hell out of you. It helps that you're Irish too. Put your head down and finish school. After that, the choice is yours.
Thanks! I'll likely stay here, just because the jobs are better for my field than in Ireland. Plus I like that California is gearing up to lead the resistance to Trump's regime, and I want to make sure I support efforts for California Single Payer and things like that.
Merzeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn dude, I'm so sorry to hear that. I honestly don't blame you for feeling that way. There are times where I don't even feel welcome, so I can't imagine this for you.
As someone who has a lot of immigrants and people born of immigrants in my family, whenever I see that some members of my family voted Trump, my blood boils. I've never been so disgusted in my life. These are they same people who will laud a family member who was KIA, born of an illegal, yet vote in favor of such nationalistic policy.
I'm not sure how much of this made sense, but know that I feel your pain.
You're white, you'll be fine.
As incredibly fucked up as that is, that's life now.
fatsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't listen to them. They are not what the majority believe. You are a veteran that risked his life for our country. You are an American don't let anyone tell you differently.
Okit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finish your schooling and just think -- you unlike many other Americans have the flexibility to flee before the shit hits the fan.
I just want to thank you for your service. How horrible one must be to demand the removal of an American flag from a veteran's hat. Best of luck on whatever decision you make.
I'm here as a legal non-immigrant worker (professor) on an H1B (from Canada). This shit is terrifying me. Am I the only one who noticed that it's "criminal acts" and not "convicted of crime"? What exactly defines a "criminal act"?
I'm American and I just wanted to say that you have a place here. Those people who told you to take your hat off probably call themselves patriots but they are the opposite.
However I understand wanting to leave.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is so fucking rage-inducing. These people make the biggest deal about how you need to support the troops and veterans to be a patriot and then prove they don't believe in it a single bit with bullshit like this. It's all just an act put on for political brownie points.
My wife is a Japanese immigrant. We spent 10 years in Japan and then came here last year. We just received her green card this month and I'm already trying to figure out how we can go back to Japan. Every single day I feel more and more like this was a big mistake to come back here. My wife feels unwelcome and unsafe here now. I never felt like that when I lived in Japan. At least the school system is better here for our kids...for now.
Unfortunately, moving elsewhere in the US isn't really an option. We moved here partly for family reasons so our kids could get to know the American side of their family. So if we were to look in to moving to another state, I'd prefer to just go back to Japan to be near our family there. Where we are currently isn't that bad though. It's just frustrating seeing what's going on at the national level...what happens with healthcare is going to have a big impact on where we live in the future.
That makes sense. It does suck that the government is doing one hell of a job of even making their citizens feel welcome right now. Whatever you do I hope it works out man.
Healthcare is the big one, but it's just lots of little things that kind of add up so that when we compare how we lived in Japan and our general happiness, going back is tempting.
One thing that bothers my wife is the prevalence of guns...she's just not used to it and it makes her nervous to be out and about. In Japan, we could go for a walk at night anywhere without worry, but not so much here. It doesn't bother me personally, but it bothers my wife and her happiness and comfort impacts mine. She thought it wouldn't bother her much before we moved here, but it is (she freaked out when we visited my racist uncle and he told us to not let the kids leave our site and not to touch anything because he had loaded guns hidden all over the house to protect himself from the government when they come to take his guns...).
As for schools, they are indeed better. One thing I didn't like about Japan was the education system. Preschool and kindergarten were outstanding, but right off the bat in 1st grade it's nothing but hours and hours of homework. The school my son was going to didn't even have a computer lab. There were some good things about the school system, but overall, I prefer the US system. But my oldest son (2nd grade) has not adjusted well to school here and has developed "selective mutism" and its severely affecting his grades. He's extremely anti-social now and it's starting to become his part of his personality whereas before he was outgoing and had a ton of friends. It pains me to see him struggle like that so going back for his sake is another point in the "move back to Japan" box. Even though I prefer the education system here, I don't want to negatively affect his mental development. We thought it was a phase and that he'd come out of his shell after a few months, but it's been over a year now and has only gotten worse.
There's lots of little things though and it's difficult to list them all. Life in Japan wasn't perfect, but we were happier and healthier. The general direction the US is going is worrisome especially with regards to relationships in Asia and that's very concerning for my wife and I. Racism is still very much alive and well and my wife sees it especially when we visit further south (she's Okinawan, but has been mistaken for Mexican a couple times and we have heard comments about our interracial marriage and children). My wife not being Christian has been a source of contention with some of my family and certain neighbors which bothers us. We miss Japan where religion just wasn't a big deal. The immigration process was ridiculously expensive and absurdly complicated which made initial impressions of life in the US that of frustration. For comparison, for me to get an equivalent visa in Japan, it cost $40 and the process took two weeks.
If they fuck up healthcare though, it's pretty much guaranteed we'll go back as I have a preexisting condition and my wife is a high risk for cancer and healthcare in Japan is far more affordable and makes more sense.
That said, it hasn't been awful living here...just disappointing. And President Trump makes us doubt whether or not we made the right choice going so far in to debt to move here. Another state would probably be better for us. We did consider NY and WA, but for family reasons, we are where we are. But when I see my family post shit on Facebook trying to explain how the Muslim Brotherhood was behind the protests on Saturday, I wonder to myself why I moved here to be near them.
Massachusetts too, though it's cold as fuck a lot of the year
Donnadre ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel your concern, but I question if fleeing is ultimately best.
I still cling to the hope that this rise of unfettered bigotry is still a that of a minority - albeit a powerful and vocal one.
Standing up against it may be the better long term choice.
This could be naive, but my wish is that this Trump-Bannon alt right experiment implodes and serves as a long lasting reminder of what our true American values are, and the risk of entrusting too much power to blatant supremacists. I'm somewhat relieved that the alt-right didn't elect a more smooth talking leader, one with actual edcuation, literacy, speaking skills, and discipline, one without a 60 year documented history of evil behavior. Such a personality would be harder to unseat and disregard than Trump.
I think that is the silver lining of a Trump presidency. I see every day more and more people regretting their vote after they realize that the shit he said on the campaign trail and the actions he's taking now actually affect them personally. Part of me hopes he gets every single policy he wants through and when the price of food and healthcare (if they can get it) skyrockets and private, for-profit, toll roads pop up all over the place, people will finally come to their senses. They'll probably just blame Obama somehow, but I'm hoping for the best and I hope that people come to their senses before things get bad.
As a first generation American I also fear for my safety and I actually also have some fear that my citizenship might be revoked for not being American enough, whatever that means.
Luckily I have the option of moving to either Latin America or to the EU as I have dual citizenship
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:28:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you feel this is an irredeemable blow to US democracy, and that the country just can't be fixed, then you should go.
But if you think there's still a chance to fix it, then please stay. If you've got citizenship then your vote counts, and we'll need every vote we can get. You can help make 2018 a true and decisive victory for democracy.
I've been a lifelong citizen and seeing these first couple days of his presidency makes me think the us will not be economically viable enough to support a family when I'm out of college in December.
I want to stay and make it better, but it seems like a lost cause now. Far right people have majority control and support no clean energy initiatives. Trump's actions so far don't actually create many, if any, jobs, eg a wall instead of more permanent guards. My view up to this point was I don't really care about policy of either party as long as we're focusing on the future of our planet and the people who will be living here, not short term wins that mean nothing in the long run. Sad that's been mostly Dems as I don't agree with all democratic policy.
But really it seems like only impeachment followed by a reelection is our only way out of this shit hole. I hope it actually happens, and soon.
yeah there is this problem ...all the conservative republicans in congress and in governorships and in the executive branch seem so hostile, unfriendly and mean... actually not caring what happens to people here in america...
and then i realise that my community has quite a few republicans.
and i just don't want to live with them.. they are so mean and have undermined so much that we have done in this town.. and they think its great... fine... admirable..
and actually i wouldnt care except they are ruining the spirit of our town. they destroyed our exceptionally fine newspaper and our summer fair and an arts event we have every year... just took over and killed them or took over and nullified their spirit.
Come on, I'm almost 30 and I don't have kids yet either because I have bills to pay and things to do. But I'm not going to blame it on some president.
George Bush did not cause the recession.
ARCHA1C ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
now. Far right people have majority control and support no clean energy initiatives.
Just to pick one point, I think there is already too much momentum for things like renewables. Solar is financially viable now (as cost-effective, if not more so than fossil fuels) and the private sector stands to gain financially form accelerated adoption.
There is now an economic benefit to clean energy, even without government subsidies.
And that isn't the only such issue.
Sure, socially this administration will pose some setbacks, but I think we have enough momentum to ride it out until 2018, when we can get some more progressive officials elected to regain a majority somewhere.
Hah, you think there will be a proper election in 2018. Wake up. You going to tell me Putin won 97% of the vote in his last election? Right. This train doesn't end until there's someone's blood. We're in a stare down right now, but eventually one side will crack. Don't know which, but there will be a first strike either by citizens or the feds. My money's on the feds.
icyone ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:33:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals don't believe in voting in midterms, which is how this country got this fucked up to begin with. The only way Republicans lose their seats is when they're asleep at the wheel and liberals sneak out to see what daylight is like. Some democracy, when half of it would rather not participate.
I hold out hope that the unmitigated disaster of the Trump presidency is the shock therapy the left needed to get off its ass. If 2018 rolls around and we still lose out, that's the point where I'll start losing hope.
icyone ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:46:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 million liberals who voted for Obama decided that Clinton was so unpalatable that they'd rather throw away their votes for Obama and 8 years than hold their nose. Think about that. 10 million people who thought the gulf between Obama and McCain and Obama and Romney was worth coming out for. But the gulf between Clinton and Trump? Nah. Pretty much the same thing!
You're not going to find perfect candidates for what few seats are available in 2018, and liberals only turn out for perfect candidates. They don't vote in local or state elections either. Sometimes, if you're reeeeeeeally lucky you can get them to show up for a presidential election. 40% of Americans didn't vote in 2016. 28% of those who did voted for Trump. A full two-thirds of Americans are anywhere from neutral to pleased as punch with this turn of events.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:31:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:37:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Patriot Act didn't get liberals out to vote. The War in Iraq didn't get liberals out to vote. It literally took 6 years before they got fed up enough to show up.
And even then, it took Dean's grass roots organizing for them to start flipping seats. A unified 50-state initiative and Obama's data analytics gave the Democratic party supermajorities. The liberal drive to fuck ourselves over due to apathy gave the GOP complete control of 26 state governments and all three branches of the Federal government. I fucking give up.
icyone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking give up.
Same. My personal values may mirror the Democrats' platform (environment, civil rights, basic science) but there's only so many times I'm going to vote for the idea of shared sacrifice at zero personal gain while so many liberals won't vote. I'd rather just take my Great Republican Tax Cut and wash my hands of the whole thing.
I give up too, as this is clearly the correct way to approach the problem
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icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Patriot Act was widely supported by Democrat politicians
Because, like now, liberal voters don't support their own platform. They don't call their legislators to make their opinions known. They don't support them at the polls when they make difficult choices in their favor. How many Democrats were forced to hide their support for the ACA because their own communities didn't support them? Fuck, I'd hate to be a Democrat in Congress. People throw a stink fit if you don't do what they want, but if you do what they want they don't reward you for it later. If you don't do 100% of what 100% of the liberals want, they don't vote for you. In the meantime, all it takes to get a conservative to vote for you is an R next to your name.
2006 - 2001 = 5 years, not 6.
2006 - 2000 = 6 years. You know, when liberals were also upset that Bush was given the White House by the Supreme Court. Lots of things that liberals get upset about. Very few of those things result in change at the ballot box. Maybe instead of being condescending and smug about it, you could spend that energy convincing your fellow liberals to vote?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See my other post, where I said I've given up on the liberal voting block as a viable force for change.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like years of evidence that liberals have consistently given over control of state legislatures, state governors, and Congressional seats, with no one to blame but themselves for failing to put forth a unicorn in each election.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people to blame for this is people like you, who keep insisting we should vote for mediocre milquetoast centrists, while simultaneously criticizing the policies those same centrists support.
I never understood this attitude. Your options are "stay here" or "go backwards" and your response is "fuck it, anywhere is better than here, let's go backwards. We'll wait for things to get better." And things never get better, so two years later, lather rinse repeat. This is why Democrats get shellacked. You not only can't cultivate the unicorn you're looking for because liberals don't get involved in local politics, but you refuse to fight for any ground you've gained in the meantime. Why can't you accept the centrist and look to upgrade for the next go around? You just gave up all progress you made in both Obama terms to prove a point to yourself. You cut off your nose to spite your face. Here's a tip: orchards don't grow overnight. If you keep cutting down saplings because they won't produce fruit, you'll never get an orchard.
And in the meantime, instead of accepting that hey, maybe there is a turnout problem with liberals, and hey, maybe that's why we keep losing state seats, and hey, maybe that's why all of our districts are gerrymandered to fuck and back, you decided that people you don't like shouldn't vote for your causes. That's certain to up the ol' turnout in your favor.
icyone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And still brought in fewer votes than Obama, and by the way, we don't elect Presidents on popular vote. You might further be surprised to learn that this idea of an Electoral College was not new, and wasn't a secret. No one changed the rules halfway through the election.
If you are referring to 2012, then that is true...but barely. Hillary in 2016 received 65,845,063 votes and Obama in 2012 received 65,915,795. It was a ~0.1% difference.
You can't really infer that the folks who didn't vote are neutral. As well, Trump has a historically low popularity rating, so that's a pretty good reason to believe they are neither neutral nor "pleased as punch."
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't vote, they're neutral. Voting is the one and only one valid approval rating of a politician. If you don't care enough vote, you don't have an opinion worth a damn.
I don't know what you mean by "valid." As well, many folks who voted for Trump seem to be regretting that choice; are their opinions not "valid" now, whatever that means? Are you sure you don't want to back off this strange view of what it means to have a "valid" opinion of a politician?
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their approval of Trump doesn't matter (to him or anyone else) because he's still President. If Trump's approval rating dropped to 0, it changes nothing. Congress has had an approval rating below 20% for years, and it has made no difference. The only approval rating that means a damn to anyone or anything is the vote you metaphorically drop in the ballot box.
That's a strange position to take, considering the President is ostensibly supposed to do what the people want him to do. If Trump's approval rating really did drop to zero, shouldn't he change what he's doing? You have a very bizarre view of how presidents should respond to the will of the people.
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're being naive if you think Trump behaves how a President should behave. His entire campaign was run on the idea of "I don't need your approval." When confronted with a view other than his own, he attacks the view as small and illegitimate. This is the guy who says he doesn't have to release his tax returns because the majority of Americans don't care.
You honestly think this guy is going to change his mind because of an approval rating? He spent his campaign attacking poll numbers as biased. If you think you're going to fight Trump by taking a phone call from Gallup and hurting his feelings, you're playing the wrong game.
I know Trump doesn't behave how a president ought to behave, that's one of his many, many flaws. You're the one saying this is fine and he shouldn't act any different, no matter how unpopular what he's doing is. I'm pointing out this is a strange view to take of how a president of a democratic society ought to act; sounds more like an autocrat than a president to me.
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say it was fine. I said he wasn't going to change his act based on approval polls, so who gives a fuck what approval polls say? It doesn't change anything - only voting does.
Yeah, this is simply not true. The Dems still went for Clinton but the moderates/undecideds flipped. On top of that, the overwhelming problem is that so many people don't turn out to vote. So what you get is these 52-48 type of elections where how that middle 10% swings decides the whole thing.
Then you get people that are in the middle and were swung to Obama but, after 30 years of hearing bullshit from the right, were NeverClintonTM.
That is the real reason Trump won, the DNC honestly thought that Sanders was more of a gamble than Hillary, not considering the shear number of people that outright refuse to vote for her.
How much of our place and legacy in the world will be shattered by then
MFoy ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:22:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2006 was one of the biggest wave elections in history, in favor of the Democrats. Trump is already far more unpopular than W was at this point. Please stop with the self-fulfilling prophecies made of non-existent facts.
That was 10 years ago. Since then, the GOP has gerrymandered the fuck out of Congressional districts to make it harder to lose the House. They've passed voter suppression laws in almost half the states in the union, and potentially more depending on this "fraud investigation" Trump is running. And in the Senate, only 8 GOP senators are up for re-election, most of them in deep red states.
Republicans know they can't win if more people show up (like 2006), so they've spent the last decade changing the rules of the game. Turnout in 2018 will only go so far.
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet liberal voters sat idly by in 2002, following the Patriot Act, and again in 2004 following the war in Iraq. Shit has to get pretty bad for a long time before liberals show up to vote. Trump isn't up for election in 2018, legislators are. The same body where the majority spent the last 6 years playing obstructionist and still managed to hold their majority for two more.
Republicans will be defending 8 Senate seats in 2018. The Democrats have 23 on the line and 2 independent seats in their caucus. It isn't a self-fulfilling prophecy, it's just a regular ol' prophecy. Liberals don't vote in midterms. You want to "save the democracy"? Start by participating in it.
MFoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:46:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2002 was a direct result of the War on Terror. Democrats did turn out in 1998 and 2006.
It's usually the party that holds the presidency that gets hammered at the midterms. The two most notable exceptions are in the aftermath of 9/11, and the aftermath of the Clinton impeachment (1998).
tomdarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And state elections, many of which are held on dates other than national elections so that only the organized/"energized" voters are likely to turn out, which has traditionally been Republicans. You know how the House of Representatives is so badly gerrymandered? All that happens in state legislatures. Pay attention to your state's politics and vote in your state elections, not just for governor but also for your state rep/senator/whatever your state has.
As long as the Republican party exists and is getting votes, the US will be a shithole. The US needs a left wing party and the political dialogue should be between that left wing party and the Democrats on the center right.
I doubt this will happen, therefore the US is lost and will continue failing while more sensible countries will rise.
The World War the US psychopathic right wing extremist leaders and their deluded population will cause will hopefully not end in their favour and see the rise of China, Russia and Europe. (Hopefully with Europe dominating, but I guess it will be China.)
We did fix it! This is the process of draining the swamp and all you establishment apologists are understandably upset. And you're right. At this pace, the democrats will never hold office again. Good riddance!
I was born in America and lately I wish I could go to the EU. I think that America and its people are still by and large worth fighting for though. The whole country hasn't gone to shit, just segments that were already pretty shitty to begin with.
Do it. I would try to leave here if my wife weren't going through American medical school. Even if Hillary had won, almost half the nation voted for Trump. This country is a shithole and deserves everything that's coming to it. I just feel really sad for the slight majority of innocents who will be caught up in it all.
If you can financially do that feasibly then you should consider it. If I could with no repressions I'd move to Canada (to quickly be annexed by the new American and Russian Axis) or Europe.
I'm past the "considering" stage personally. I haven't been in Europe in a long time, and given the fragmented nature of my family, it's going to take a bit of time to plan the move. If it weren't for these issues, I would be there already.
I'm British, but lived in the US from the age of 18 - 30. Earlier this year my American husband and I decided to go live in Germany for a few years. Then Brexit happened, and then Trump happened, and now I feel a bit trapped. I don't feel like I can go back to either of my homes because both are in rather crazy states of flux right now.
So I'm extremely concerned with what's been going on. At the same time, I'm a student of history.
Emotions are running high, and I have no doubt that a Trump presidency will end up hurting quite a few people.
Here's my question to you: how do you feel unsafe, wherever you live in the US? Specifically, in what ways do you feel less safe now than six months ago. In what ways do you think you'll feel less safe in a year?
All of us, myself included, need to breathe deeply. We need to calm down and clear our heads so we can, at a minimum, figure out how to rectify this situation as efficiently as possible, or at least mitigate the damage.
What, specifically, are you afraid of?
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 18:45:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of these things make me sad, but it's important that they be pointed out.
I fully acknowledge those risks, and it is utterly bullshit that we are on the cusp of taking tangible steps back.
One of our friends just had a procedure, facilitated by the ACA, that saved his life. There's a good chance that procedure would not be possible for him in a year.
Thank you.
to_j ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:15:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just brought tears to my eyes. This feels unreal.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of those things that you list were things we already had, but fuck caring amiright?
pofish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:42:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll go ahead and throw in my 2 cents as well. Like the commenter below, I am also a woman, living in Texas. Not only am I totally afraid of having my reproductive rights taken away, I am also concerned by what will follow it.
If you've been to Texas, you know it's rife with mosquitoes, known to carry Zika. Which is highly detrimental to pregnancies. Considering the cut to government funding to conduct scientific studies, and the reports that scientists at the National Institutes of Health and other agencies of the Department of Health and Human Services have been instructed to not send โany correspondence to public officialsโ, we would not be adequately prepared for an outbreak. Throw in a bunch of unwillingly pregnant people, who have been stripped of their health care, and it's a recipe for disaster.
Just one of those things on its own is bad enough. Not having the option to choose, especially to terminate a pregnancy that carries a substantial risk, is reprehensible. Leaving people to die because they can't afford to change health care plans, or won't be covered because of pre-existing factors, is bullshit. Throttling the scientific community, and instituting hiring freezes, because they might go against the GOP narrative is un-American.
On a more personal note, I've been with my muslim Mexican-Pakistani significant other for over 4 years. His parents are legal immigrants. It makes me SOOO fucking uncomfortable that Secretary of State nominee Rex Tillerson, who had said at his confirmation hearing that while he ruled out a โblanket banโ on Muslim immigration, he would need more information before deciding whether to support a domestic registry of Muslims. A DOMESTIC REGISTRY. Something Trump supported during the campaign as well. That's my partner they want to put on a list, and have touted around like a second rate citizen and future terrorist. The kids we plan on having some day. His family. On BOTH sides, because Trump isn't just against muslim browns. It's also the other ones who are "stealing all the jobs" too. The ones he wants to build a wall to protect us from. It's vitriolic and hateful and I am scared for our future.
Yeah, this shit has the potential to get really painful, thank you for laying some of it out so plainly.
I've honestly been so bent out of shape by this stuff over the past few weeks that it's been hard to think clearly about anything.
The HELL of it is that we're likely now in a position to find out how low the rank and file Republicans are willing to go; we know that they think Trump is going too far, but are they willing to actually act on it?
We're now subject to the hopefully good graces of the Republican leadership.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, if I could, I would. I looked into how to move to other countries the other night and realized I was too poor and unwanted to do so, I'd never be allowed to any of them so I'm kind of fucked.
As an American who's family has been here since 1910, I'm seriously considering transferring to our Toronto office and getting the hell out. Gonna wait and see what happens over the next two to four years though.
You just need to have a kid here to get rid of that filthy immigrant smell. Just by virtue of being born here, he'll/she'll be crime free. You won't even need to do any parenting apparently.
Please don't take offense to this. You're still an immigrant and I don't want any trouble.
If you can, I would definitely start saving up enough money to move quickly, get any paperwork and visas in order, and come up with a plan of where to go and who to stay with while you get settled.
I don't think there's reason to pull the trigger yet, but if you have a plan in place then you'll be able to sleep easier.
If you can, I would definitely start saving up enough money to move quickly, get any paperwork and visas in order, and come up with a plan of where to go and who to stay with while you get settled.
I don't think there's reason to pull the trigger yet, but if you have a plan in place then you'll be able to sleep easier.
jimbo831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a natural born US citizen, please take me with you.
You are safe in general, but I can assure you that major events will be happening in the US very soon. As far as the EU is concerned if Le Pen wins in France the EU itself might not exist in the future. Extremely turbulent times are ahead for the West and the world in general.
Personally I have never even read about ANYTHING like this in the US's 240 year history. The closest thing resembling anything like this was the civil war, but this is MUCH MUCH different. And I say this as as student of history, I never thought something like this would happen in the US.
Public schools are overcrowded, so probably on lunch. I remember we used to have a section that had lunch at 10:30. Though, it is almost 12:30 on the East Coast.
mattbrvc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there something we can slip him that will make his throat sore and his voice hoarse?
And his fingers numb?
chengg ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it actually says "aliens". So essentially all non-citizens, whether here legally or illegally. (but does not include immigrants who are now US Citizens I believe, which is the distinction between immigrant and alien)
Oh thank god. Maybe now we'll have a president who's tough on those damn extraterrestrials from planets like Mars and Omicron Persei 8.
chengg ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:22:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Mars sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending butt probers. They're sending cow mutilators. And some, I assume, are good people.
pbjamm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free Waterfall Jr., Free Waterfall, and Free Waterfall Sr.
Penuwana ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't try to talk sense into people who don't give a damn.
To the people in here, you have some sort of right to forgo our immigration system.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like when he spoke about Mexicans, he never once said illegals, he said all Mexicans, it was after the speech that his spinsters claimed it was only illegals, sadly they managed to convince enough people
civic19s ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:47:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his supporters didn't give a fuck either way
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they just give a fuck about lying and tricking others, they certainly don't care about who he demonizes
MosDaf ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump was very clearly talking about illegal aliens.
If you look at what he said, in the context of the speech, there's no doubt whatsoever that he's talking about illegals. To deny this is just bullshit.
And speaking of which: 'illegal' is also left out of the title of this post and the title of the linked article, despite the fact that even the body of the text notes that he's talking about illegals. [No it doesn't--but he is and everyone knows it; to pretend otherwise is just bullshit.]
Now...he's also wrong about illegals. First-generation illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, not more (probably out of fear of being caught and deported.) So that's something too.
There are more things to criticize about Trump than one can effectively criticize. So why make things up? You're spinning things as blatantly as Trump's "spinsters."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:28:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called context. He was talking about illegal immigration right before, so anyone with a brain could figure out he meant illegals.
We heard and feared the undertones during the election and the supporters would say it wasn't racism or white nationalism, just concerns about our borders and enforcing laws on the books against illegal immigrants.
These people are so full of shit.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To everyone shouting down Nazi comparisons and shedding crocodile tears "This is a diservice to my family members who died at the hands of Hitler": Shut the fuck up and eat a dick.
eggpie ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 17:16:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony here is that actual holocaust survivors are standing up against this. Y'know, because they've fucking seen it before.
Germans, who are hesitant to make Hitler comparisons, have been kinda dipping their toe in the water about this because they are constantly asked by outsiders "HOW COULD SOMETHING LIKE HITLER HAPPEN" and all this is making them go "Well...see it started kinda like this..."
Other people have addressed your first point, but I'd like to address your second and say I believe we're all currently in the process of eating said dick.
ibzl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was so satisfying to watch, fuck that girl and her bullshit.
ibzl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i especially enjoy her "my world is falling apart" look at the end. if you're into finkelstein owning assholes, check out his debate with dershowitz. it's long, but "fiery" is an understatement. finkelstein opens the debate with an accusation of plagiarism.
What are you even arguing against? Obviously you are pro dick eating, but your statement doesn't make it clear if you are for or against Nazi comparisons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I'm pro dick eating, but how do you not comprehend the gist of my sentence?
Shouting down something means to silence it. So you are telling people who are silencing Nazi comparisons to eat a dick, but I don't think that's what you intend to say. It's also a little unusual that you are quoting yourself. I mean, you are already the one talking.
I think you misunderstood what the person you replied to was saying. He's talking about people trying to bury Nazi comparisons by saying that this is nothing like the Nazis. He is telling those people that are falsely crying to stop, because is allowing trump to get away from those comparisons.
Normally I'd let you go on misunderstanding, but, and I'm assuming here, since you called him a trump supporter, and sarcastically called them classy, you misunderstood the person's message.
If I'm mistaken and you're protecting those people that are ignoring Nazi comparisons, or I'm misunderstanding the prior poster's sentiment, then feel free to ignore me.
That is like saying I have a black friend so Im not a racist
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck , he has to say all of them to have any amount of substantial data. If u did undocumented he'd had very very little numbers because if an undocumented immigrant broke a law he gets deported right away no court appeal
gavdaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think the list also includes the immigrants who gave the natives smallpox and also kidnapped, enslaved, murdered them and stole their land? Or was that not all able to fit on the list?
KhabaLox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order says all inmigrants. Not just undocumented
Not "immigrant" but "alien." Aliens are non-citizens who may be here legally (e.g. the "green" card is actually the Resident Alien card) or illegally.
My wife is an immigrant. She came from The Philippines when she was 6. She got citizenship, so she wouldn't be subject to this. Here's the relevant text from the order.
To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.
The other part of this that is extremely worrying is that it allows the Homeland Secretary to name jurisdictions who are acting as Sanctuary Jurisdictions by not deporting aliens. These cities, counties, or states can now be denied federal grants based on this.
he's already been blithely using a nazi slogan for months with precisely zero repercussions: "america first"
these guys never seem to stop and consider what happened to actual fascists when the clock struck midnight - I won't subject you to proof-of-death pics of Mussolini, but they are pretty fucking gruesome
every population has limits, and americans are not famous for their restraint once they get pushed that last bit too far
I had someone tell me that Trump's stance is nothing like the Nazi party because Muslim immigrants refuse to "assimilate" to western culture, and that is completely different than what the Jewish population of Europe did. As if the Jewish people somehow maintaining their language, identity, and sense of community for almost a millennia is completely different than Muslim refugees who aren't even allowed a single generation to integrate into Western society. If the Jewish people had "assimilated" their language and customs would have died out long ago, it has only existed in the West because they held onto their beliefs and traditions despite outside pressure and discrimination.
And to clarify, I'm not saying the Jewish population of Europe did anything wrong at all by maintaining their culture. But if the "alt-right" is going to cover up their racism with "we just want the Mozlems to assimilate into our culture!!!" then they need to understand that said claim is exactly how the Nazi party viewed the Jewish people's presence on their land.
The thing is there's never a "solution" to immigration, or people entering the country without documentation. Humans have been immigrating since we left the trees. There hasn't been one civilization that didn't have immigration.
It's not possible to "solve" immigration; it's just managed.
Sadly the orange one and P90x have elections erections and unable to think straight due to the lack of blood. Although, in fairness to Eddie Munster, Don-o-reeno is just not very smart.
And illegals can slide to mean illegal immigrants, illegal voters (they're investigating that one now), illegal flag burners, illegal pipeline protesters, etc. Illegals have caused all the problems that plague our precious inner cities and our beautiful children.
As long as they are good, honest white men. Nothing causes people to unite more than a common enemy to hate. You can see that in countries that have Trump-like presidents, like Hungary, where the government always has a group they are actively attacking.
Sanctuary cities that have vowed to fight need to counter with positive news about immigrants, push through the media, and even focus on working in heavily immigrant populated areas to build the communities together.
Boy, mentioning sanctuary cities make me think about that DS9 episode where they went back in time to 2024. Let's hope we won't need the Bell riots to get people's sympathy.
I remember that episode pretty well since it was one of the few good ones before Sisko got a beard. The other one is Duet, which is my favourite of the whole series.
Every Star Trek series had one like that. For TOS, it was Spock's brain. For TNG, it was that overly racist episode in season 1, or the monstrosity of Sub-rosa, which had me scratching my head for a day. And of course, let's not forget VOY with Threshhold, which is just a shitfest through and through.
I think what bugged me the most about Threshold, is how they just completely abandoned the technology after actually achieving warp 10. It's like their thought process went, "Well, our first successful warp 10 flight turned our helmsman and captain into aliens, and then they fucked......fuck that noise." LOL WUT?!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given that San Fransisco is a prominent sanctuary city with a massive separation between the poor and the wealthy in terms of the ability to have a place to live and a huge homeless population... Well, let's just hope there are no time traveling space-station commanders coming around any time soon.
I was in grad school, getting an urban planning degree when that was originally aired. I was doing a class on poverty policy at the time, and it blew me away that science fiction could be so pertinent to not only current issues, but ones I was studying. That two-parter is still my favorite episode of that series.
I just heard Portland mayor Tom Wheeler's response to Trumps EO re: federal funding for sanctuary cities yesterday and it was quite poignant, well done.
I can't wait for people to be lining up at the door of ICE to work to get rid of the illegals before dems can demand they be made into citizens for breaking the law the moment they entered the country. Just to get a vote that will probably not come.
Because data is data and any social scientist should have access to it, let alone the people of the nation. I'm not talking about listing names, just figures, like they've done for legal citizens here.
Are you saying we shouldn't track who is committing more crime? Just not make it available to the public? Should we not break down types of crime? Or the types committing them? Sex? Age? I mean the FBI breaks down crime incidents to very specific details, should we censor that because it could be looked poorly upon?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he said he is going to get rid of the illegal immigrants.
Funny thing is his grandfather was a draft dodger who left Germany to avoid joining the military. He made his money owning brothels during the gold rush and when he tried to reestablish himself in Germany, he was denied.
tomdarch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of my ancestors fled the Austro-Hungarian Empire because they didn't want to become cannon fodder for the empire in what would turn out to be WWI. I have an ancestor who got on a train with little baggage in Vienna heading north. A very nice fellow young man sat next to him and confided that he was on his way to Hamburg or Bremen to get on a boat to the United States to escape military service. My ancestor kept his mouth shut and stuck to his story about an apprenticeship in a town in Germany. The young man moved down the car and sat an talked with another young man. At the next stop, the talkative guy got off the car, waived over the police and they hauled the third guy off the train.
Lots of Irish-Americans have family stories about an ancestor who fled to the US because they had committed a minor crime and were facing absurd punishments. (Perhaps ironically, in the 18th and early 19th centuries, poor English faced similar crazy shit like the death penalty for poaching, under the Black Law, and some fled to the US.)
Of course, once the Irish arrived in the US, they faced pretty extreme bigotry that was very, very much like anti-Hispanic bigotry today. They were called dirty, lazy, disease-carrying, inherently stupid, inherently violent and prone to alcoholism and crime.
In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a few Italian immigrants were political radicals and a few did carry out terrorist and similar attacks. Italians in America were viewed somewhat like Arab/Muslim immigrants. There were radical anti-Catholic hate groups (in addition to the KKK) who claimed that all Catholics were disloyal to America and would be part of a revolution ordered by the pope to take over the country, again, very much like the bigotry against Muslims today.
Not as much as Australia, but many "white" Americans aren't just descended from immigrants, we're descended from criminals and "undesirables". How quickly
Trying to claim that immigrants are a special problem is fucking nuts.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree.
Circumin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also suffered serious anti-immigrant discrimination in new york.
Lucky for them ghettos are already a thing in the US so what comes next won't take as long to accomplish.
But seriously as much as people throw the word fascist and authoritarian around I honestly don't think they truly believe it. Even in the face of mounting evidence. Because I'm certain if they did heads would roll not peaceful parades and calls to vote after the fascist has had enough time to ruin any chance of voting making any difference. I'm frustrated because my skin is brown and Im about to be a target because even though I am an American, fascists don't give a shit as long as I fit the profile. I will not go quietly.
Over 200 individuals were arrested on January 20th and charged with felony rioting. Most of them were participants in an anti-fascist action black bloc March.
The media isn't reporting it but there are people in the streets who are putting their safety and their freedom on the line like they believe that this is actual fascism.
Well considering he just threatened to "send in the feds" to Chicago yesterday...
Irishish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:00:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife, a first generation American (second? Her parents are immigrants), asked me the other day what it would take for me to contemplate leaving this country for the sake of our future children. I was outraged. This is my country. My ancestors suffered to get here, my entire family is here. Doesn't she have any loyalty or ties to the nation her parents fled a dictator in order to move to?
Now, on the daily, I understand her point more. This shit is terrifying. I'm just more insulated from it because I'm a third-generation white guy.
It's actually disgusting. Rather than accept that he lost the popular vote to Hillary by nearly 3 million votes, and that the country is more divided than ever before, he's insisted that voter fraud cost him the popular vote and has spewed consistently divisive vitriol via his Twitter account. When GWB was handed the presidency by the Supreme Court he did his best to unify America and even appointed moderates to his cabinet. Trump is deluded enough to believe he won in a landslide and therefore holds no responsibility to reassure the 65 million people who voted for Hillary that he will be a president for everyone.
Yep! I was thinking this too. The lists serve to foster the narrative of immigrants as criminals. The administration isn't coming out and saying that "all immigrants are criminals and that we should fear them," but instead creates a negative perception that will result in people making widespread generalizations about all immigrants, whether subconsciously or not. It's "inception" at the shallowest level and it makes it harder to change someone's mind on a topic when they believe they arrived at the idea on their own.
We are witnessing the seeds of racism being sewn for future generations.
Edit: grammar
Edit 2: On another level this works to confirm existing prejudices, which serves to rile up the base. There's no solution to better understanding. Masses stay uneducated and angry as the wall gets higher and we grow old and die.
Hitler defined Jews, Communist as non-citizens before he did any of that. He called them immigrants to Germany first. Jews were immigrant job thieves that brought crime, and Communists were terrorists. Then he started publishing lists of crime. Then he wrapped in afro-Europeans, Socialists, LGBTQ, Romanians, and the Polish. Then anyone not German.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet Jesus they have a section called 'black crime?" I've never been to Breitbart, so this is news.
I guess it makes for better reading than 'white crime,' boring stuff like banks ruining people's lives, pollution, corruption......
ojii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rounding people up in concentration camps is technically bringing those people closer together, so he might still fulfill this promise.
Tunis1jp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony in it all is...he actually might. Aside from his strident supporters; I could envision people coming together to stop his destructiveness. The catastrophic nature of his decision making doesn't even touch the political world. The consequences reasons behind his actions aren't ideologically driven, they're ignorant. Not understanding the value of your own intelligence departments, the impact of being a world leader ranting on Twitter...etc. These are not partisan issues, they should be things that everyone agrees on.
All that being said, having a single identifiable thing to focus your ire on is a great way to unify people. Having a common enemy does bring people together.
myne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this all that different to the long running "America's most wanted?"
riskable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he thinks it's fair: The media is regularly publishing the crimes committed by Trump.
CCG14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he going to publish a list of the crimes committed by citizens too?
Roook36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to put the words "rich" and "white" in front of the word "people". They don't think anyone is actually a person unless they're those.
The thing that we need to repeat over and over: undocumented immigrants, as far as we can tell, commit crimes at a lower rate than native born Americans.
No smoking policies were also used by the Nazis. Nazis also were the first to impliment a labour day. Should we get stop using those things as well?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screw Hitler and these stupid correlations. A large portion of this country believes there is a problem with immigration and this concept isn't really new considering many newspapers still publish a police blotter. Without emotion or saying that it's unneeded, explain to me why this is a bad thing?
He wants to bring together Americans, not bring together foreign nationals.
[deleted] ยท -82 points ยท Posted at 16:40:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants... Please, don't muddy the waters by saying "immigrants" when it's obvious his supporters and himself are talking about illegal immigrants. The distinction is an important one.
100%, without ever showing that you sincerely believe any other way.
lvl12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just find people get so fundamentalist about anything that could be considered fascist talk that they shut down any reasonable discussion. Case in point: all the people downvoting me for simply asking how tolerant to the discussion the other commenter was.
Am a Trump supporter. You couldn't be more wrong. We have open arms for anyone that wants to become an American. For those who want to skip the process and live here illegally, we do not support. They broke the law, face it.
Yeah I'm sure they'll be so judicious and not mix up brown people who can speak Spanish! Give me a fucking break. Citizens and documented immigrants will get swept up just the same.
beermile ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:55:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And someone else told me it was obvious to his supporters that Trump's wall was metaphorical. I will not be surprised at all if this list includes legal immigrants. Specifically brown ones.
Why am I arguing this point anyway? Whether they're illegal or not it's pure propaganda. I know Trump doesn't like stats that don't favor him, but compared to American citizens illegal immigrants commit less crime (in addition to their being in the country illegally, yes. Had to throw that in because every time I mention this that's the first response). The only reason to specifically publish immigrant crime is to make it seem otherwise and further build their favorite scapegoat.
akunis ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? It's not only illegal immigrants that will be on the list. It's
felesroo ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:00:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that case it's also an important distinction that many illegal immigrants are here to flee violent crime (some of which is a result of our drug war activities)
let us know when he makes any effort to tell the difference...afterall, this is the guy spouting second-hand stories of what some supposed German dude said where he saw people that looked like they weren't legal voters....explain to me how a legal immigrant looks different from an illegal one when standing in a line?
Well blacks do tend to commit crime at a much higher rate than any other ethnicity. 13 percent of the population yet commit over half of murders. That's a problem there
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:18:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White supremacists love to use this as evidence that black people are more prone to commit crime.
They fail to consider that America is an incredibly racist country, and after slavery ended (which was only 150 years ago) America continued to be segregated for another 100 years, and even since then, America continued to be racist.
Black people do not have the same opportunities in life. They are policed more violently than white communities. When you are poor, ahve no options, and you are already treated as a criminal, it is more likely that you will turn to crime.
White on white crime is also higher in impoverished white areas.
In other words, black people are more likely to commit crimes BECAUSE people are racist against them. Racism is not a result of black people committing crimes.
So then why aren't Asians, Hispanics, middle easterns, etc also commiting crime at such disproportionate rates. Hispanics just as poor as blacks and a larger percent of the population yet commit less crime, Asians worked basically as slaves building the railroad which is harder than picking cotton yet they also don't commit crime at the same rate. All of these ethnicities also suffered under Jim Crowe laws yet don't commit the same amount of crime or blame racism for all their problems. Racism isn't why their fatherless rate is so high but that's probably a better reason why their crime rate is so high but nah just go with racism because it's easier to blame others especially from hundreds of years ago for your misdeeds. Also love how pointing out that yes they do commit more crime than any other ethnicity is white supremacy now. I thought the left was all for facts.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To clearly and simply answer your question, the reason black people are disproportionately affected is because racism is disproportionately directed toward them. That's a fact of American history.
Huge numbers of black people were brought over during the slave era. Numbers much, much greater than the number of Asians, Hispanics, Middle Easterns, etc. They were also located in populated areas, while most Asian immigrants were on the west coast (Which even as far back as the early 20th century was basically the wild west).
Blacks received more direct and violent action because racist white families surrounded them, and laws were written specifically to target them. While many of these laws were applied to asians and hispanics, black people were the primary target, specifically because of slavery-white people simply see them as being inferior, and did not want them integrated into society. In the early 1900s police would frequently take part in the murder of black people, and while that is still an issue today, it used to be blatant, instead of ruled as "part of the job". Lynching was primarily directed toward black people, not those other groups, who were often ignored.
This kind of shit was routine... Can you imagine what your life would be if a dominant group of people marched around treating you like shit? http://imgur.com/a/Uycf0
You act like slavery was "hundreds of years ago". Remember, the civil war started in 1865. That means its possible that people alive today had grandparents that were slaves. Furthermore, segregation didn't end until 1964. My parents were alive during segregation.
Only one group of people is was so hated in America as black people, and that is the Native Americans. The only reason we don't hear about it as much is because most of the damageโraping, murdering, theft of propertyโhas already been done to them, and there just aren't that many of them left. We learn about it in history, but when you read about it in textbooks you don't see the true horror, and no child in an American school is challenged to feel shame for what their ancestors have done.
dtdt2020 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrant has no become an ethnic group. It's so difficult keeping up with the leftist double speak.
wow getting downvoted for pointing out racism. I hope you guys feel good about yourselves drawing comparissons between Jews and illegal immigrants. Absolutely disgusting.
You all can't decide what you hate more, a republican pointing out racism, or Trump.
It's clearly politically motivated, meant to foment distrust and hatred of immigrants. Trump wants to create an "other" group which he can use to rally his base, justify the accumulation and abuse of power, and identify as a scapegoat for problems effecting our country. For example, immigrants have been pegged as stealing jobs from Americans, smuggling drugs, committing rape and murder, and generally just doing awful things (some of them, I assume, are good people).
A spinoff of that jingoism is pointing the blame for perceived economic woe at foreign countries and "bad trade deals" and painting Islamic countries as dangerous hellholes.
Trump doesn't give a shit about any of that. But the useful idiots who show up to verbally blow him sure do and he'll say or do anything to make sure they keep cheering for him.
Yes, they can. I finally saw a Trump supporter say exactly which era he thinks was America being great that he'd like to go back to and he chose the late 20s to early 30s. I assume he didn't realize when he chose it that that was the Great Depression, but I could be wrong about that. Anyway, when further pressed, they said it wasn't because of the economic depression but because of the "industrial boom, record low unemployment, and end of government handouts." There's a lot of dumb out there.
I finally saw a Trump supporter say exactly which era he thinks was America being great that he'd like to go back to and he chose the late 20s to early 30s.
I'm guessing he meant the period right before the great depression? They were called the "roaring 20s" after all. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit though.
Hmm, I personally can see the appeal of the 20s which seems to be what this poster is referring to, but I think it's easy to idealize/glamorize times in history, especially if you did not live through those times to get the full picture. When I think the 20s, I think Great Gatsby and would love to experience this part of history first hand, but it's easy to take modern times for granted. To take one of his quotes:
I mean there's good and bad at every point in history, but their was a much better sense of national pride vs the ugly us vs them we have today.
Again it's easy to imagine America as being unified in the past, especially compared to the vitriolic partisanship today, but that would be turning a blind eye to the not only socially acceptable but in fact institutionalized racism. For example, I was appalled by the woman who referred to Michelle Obama as an "ape in heels," yet in the 1930s that would have been a very mild quote. I was recently reading quotes of Harry Anslinger from around this time, and while I knew the history behind marijuana prohibition was dark and sickening, I wasn't quite aware of just how downright evil the people behind it were until reading some of the things he said to justify it. For example, some of his quotes:
Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice.
Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.
The primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.
The fact that not only did these statements not cause public outrage, but in fact were seen as perfectly legitimate arguments should indicate just how dark a period of our history this was. Nowadays there may still be people who share these sentiments, but the vast majority of the public would be outraged by them, as they should be.
The problem with the phrase "Make America Great Again" is that it paints a very idealistic view of our past and whitewashes the many examples throughout our history that were far from great. In fact, I would argue modern America is the closest to being great that it ever has been, because we are the closest we have ever been (though there is still a long way to go) to truly realizing the promises of equality for all people made by our founding fathers over two centuries ago. The declaration of independence described a beautiful idea of society, but until the abolition of slavery nearly a century layer its words held about the same weight and truth as the phrase "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." Even then it took an additional century before we could even pretend like we actually practiced the ideals described in the declaration of independence.
Trump wants people to believe things have never been worse because otherwise there is no reason, purpose or need for him. He represents opposition to the establishment which isn't going to win any elections if the establishment is working just fine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, ya know, he's welcome to try. In fact, creating a time machine would be a major accomplishment, and would avoid the rest of us being dragged into the past along with him.
fjodsk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Early 20s were alright. Off the cusp of I and money was rolling into the US. The 50s were alright too, despite some wars. Economically, the 80s were fine also.
Saying the early 20s were alright is like saying the beginning of Requiem for a Dream was alright. Sure, they were having fun and everything was fine, but the resulting crash and depression were an inevitable result.
They usually say it was the war. The one where the government increased taxes, redirected (almost nationalised) production, and went into a lot off debt.
lots of smart people were raised by right-wing. politics is traditionally a hand-me down mentality. it really has nothing to do with your problem solving skills. it has to do with social pressure.
Nearly 60 million people voted for a narcissistic reality television show host with a bad combover and an ego the size of Texas, and you're going to ask if people can be that dumb? Really?
Well honestly, the TV star, combover and big ego aren't deal breakers if you are still able to be logical and make good decisions or trust others who are experts to make those decisions for you. Unfortunately...
Revoran ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:19:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He got 62,980,160.
Compared to Hillary's 65,845,063 (and she was an uncharismatic, unpopular candidate at that - someone like Obama no doubt would have gotten more).
but the right apparently had enough of a monopoly on the electoral college.
Mkkoll ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 21:46:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Narcissistic: Alot of presidents were narcissists, and it can be looked at as a positive trait. link Imho, if your self-image is of a 'pretty-ok-dude' and you want to be president, I dunno, i think you are already unqualified.
Reality TV show host: Irrelevant. Reagan was a movie star.
Bad combover: Because hair-style = presidential competency.
Ego: Yeah, i want a meek little pushover bitch to be sitting down at the table with Vladimir Putin and Jinping.
Anybody voting one way or another because of these character traits and not on policy is the idiot.
Chakra5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say narcissism and egotism are quite different animals.
An egotist thinks they can sit down with Putin and win the game, and can still recognize that they are not the lone stakeholder and work to do the best they can for the country and it's people.
A narcissist doesn't give a shit if it's good for the country and it's people as long as they are center of all calculation and payoff.
Identity politics is what we've been reduced to, and it's unfortunate. It's been happening slowly, probably since George Washington himself, and nothing and no one has had a mind to try and change it, because it becomes useful to the losing side in our two party system.
Reagan was the governor of California for almost a decade between being an actor and being the President. It's deliberately misleading to frame that point that way.
Mkkoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My problem is that people cite his 'being on TV' as some sort of detraction on his character. Its always brought up when referring to him in a negative light. As if its also a negative attribute in itself. It is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
Most presidents have been lawyers, but it isn't a requirement to become president afaik. There are specialists around Trump to define the finer points of American law for him. Trumps job as president is purely, in my opinion, to be a figure head for the direction of the country and implement the policies the majority of the public wants right now. Unfortunately for the left, the most popular policies right now are right-leaning. And its causing some butthurt.
Policies he has outlined. And policies people voted for him so he could carry them out.
arssome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is the President so actually they are dumber.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not dumb, you can't be dumb in the 21st century. They're just wilfully ignorant because it's easier. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. Throw in a heavy dose of spite and this is the result
It's got nothing to do with nationality. She's associated with him and therefore doesn't count. This is literally how people think. "People on government assistance are all lazy!" You point out that they're on government assistance? "Well, that's not the same thing!"
There are actual legislators in Alabama with a (D) next to their name, but we don't count them because they're basically just all subservient clones that Joe Reed has grown in his basement. 30% of Alabama voters tend to vote Democrat, but most of those are technically "left-leaning conservatives." The word "liberal" will get you kicked out of line at Jack's in the morning, and dammit... We need our gravy biscuits, too!
A girl on facebook asked if anyone she knew voted for Hillary Clinton and ever received government aid (I'm not sure why she was interested in that, but oh, well). One of her siblings commented and noted that their entire family received Pell grants in school and that they were able to go to the local community college and get an Associate degree for free because of it.
The girl said that didn't count... somehow...
sunuoow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:53:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same people who can't comprehend that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.
jon_naz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:45:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's honestly no reason to give Trump the benefit of the doubt when it comes to racial animus. He's given us too much evidence otherwise.
Dude from my hometown who has only worked pizza jobs and magically got injured on the only good job he had(to get worker's comp)... and has like three kids to two different women started putting up those "obama is just giving welfare away to those who don't deserve it, they should just work harder like I do" kinda posts on facebook.
I had to point out that all of his kids were on medical assistance because he chose to not better himself or to actually work hard.
basically, I went off to college and found a good job, pay my bills and taxes... and his children's food and insurance... but because some black people get it, it makes it eveil
Fade to exterior: Bill-bob and Cletus are sitting outside the bait shop and see a person of color drive by.
Bill-bob: Mannn! I can't staaaand those diirty welfare queens in them there uuuurban areas.
Cletus: Yeah, all they do is suck off the tit of us hardworking Patroits.
Bill-bob: Hey, are you going into work tomorrow?
Cletus: Nah, I'm still on disability after the accident. I just got back from my week long hunting trip, but I'm goin' to the doctor later this week after the stupid gobment clears my medicaid. Are you working tomorrow?
Bill-bob: Well... kind of. I have to drive the capital to negotiate my CRP deal with the USDA.
Cletus: What in the heck is that?
Bill-bob: Well... um.. basically the gobment pays me to not grow any crops on land I've mismanaged and is now prone to erosion or poor water quality.
Cletus: So you actually have to drive all the way to the capital for that? God! I hate the gobment
Actually, I didn't attribute it to southerners or conservatives as those sentiments aren't even remotely widespread or exclusive to either.
I grew up in the Midwest, there are enclaves of people like that very thinly scattered around the country. I've actually had the displeasure of hearing it from my own family members, UAW and farmer Democrats.
Yes, I exaggerated their speech and made the location as cliche as possible for comedic effect, but the actual meat of it I have heard at family reunions from relatives in those situations described. I guess that can happen when you have an uncle named Wogus.
Detach the silliness of the caricatured overlay and I'm sure more people could identify with having heard something similar.
Nationality is a category people use to distinguish between "associated with me" and "not associated with me." It's not completely disconnected from the phenomenon you're describing.
No joke, my mother complained about the process of applying for government assistance and that it wasn't as much as she'd hoped. I pointed out that she votes Republican and that what she was experiencing was a direct result of their platform. I kid you not, she fires back, "No, they're trying to get all these welfare queens who won't work off of it-- not people like me who ** NEED** it!"
I let it go because I know how she is, but I'll add... She actually is one fo the types that shouldn't be on government assistance, because while she does have an injury, it's not the type that renders you unable to work.
It's cause Trump and a lot of conservatives are worried that we're going to be the majority of the population in 10 or 20 years. That's why they wanna get as many out of here as they can.
This is the last hurrah of the white majority.
Zaetsi ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 20:20:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This strikes close to home. How many times have you heard a conservative white guy say "Latinos breed way faster than us so they're going to be the dominant race soon" or "whites aren't even the majority any more!" Sends shivers down my spine.
Well I can see a few reasons why it being a minority is disadvsntageous:
a) If white people make up the majority, if we just act according what's most "efficient", we can maximize the happiness by catering to specifically white problems. Then, as a minority you wouldn't have the voting power to overrule that. (Ie why should we do anything about racism when it really only affects such a small percentage of the population? It's not a "major" issue by population, and it'll prolly not be worth the money spent on the issue /s)
b) It's easier to maintain political power than to gain (or regain) it. That's why (usually, historically) the party in power would gerrymander boundaries to help maintain their power, rather than let the election be as fair as possible and risk losing their elected job.
I dunno. It's just whatever the majority considers to be a problem which could not include the minority's situation and problems. Don't dwell on the term white to hard.
Literally had a family friend tell my wife and I to have as many babies as possible, because we need to out-breed the Mexicans. And he meant it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch. Time to make new friends!
pbjamm ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:23:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few more generations of high speed travel and the differentiating physical characteristics associated with race will be a thing of the past. Good riddance.
This has bothered me as I started rewatching Star Trek : Next Gen. By that point in their future culture would be far more an identity basis than ethnic background. Everyone would be so mixed ethnicity would be meaningless and unlikely to be connected to cultural background.
I always thought it was interesting that so many mixed race couples existed on SNG, for exactly that reason, I mean how in the fuck is O'Brien still a pasty white Irishman and his wife is still so predominantly Asian? I envision an entirely different future, one in which we're all slightly more or less brown than we currently are.
Maybe we are on the route to a Star Trek universe...only the downside is that we're going to go through a lot of shit before we even get to long term sustained space travel...
Revoran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Star Trek, there was a nuclear World War 3 around the 2060's which killed billions of people and led to a total breakdown of society in certain areas which later generations referred to as the 'post-nuclear horror'.
the bell riots, world war three and, the eugenics wars are still to come
Revoran ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people in the world do not have access to international travel. It may happen, but it will take much longer than just a few generations.
In Star Trek they can teleport you across the planet in seconds, or shuttle you there in an hour or two, and it's free.
In our world, it can take thousands of dollars to visit another country where people look different, let alone to stay long enough to find a partner to raise kids with.
That's the greatest thing I look forward to even if it won't happen in my life time.
Whites are dwindling and minorities are expanding but sooner or later, we'll all have to mix and everyone will become Brazilian.
It's inevitable or what? you won't date or marry unless your own race? lol it's 2017 and even lonely white, Asian, and African men are having a difficult time, that some are going to the Phillipines, Asia, and South America to find a wife because the thought of being alone sucks.
who knows, so many of them are just ridiculously attractive people
RCC42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm a Bernie or bust kinda guy, but just to play devil's advocate and to flip the script what if, say, Mexico had a big influx of Japanese people, and the majority culture/race(whatever term works for the argument) in Mexico in 20 years was going to be Japanese and they started building tea houses and Buddhist temples. Don't you think Mexican people would be at least concerned? Countries are usually defined by their culture, so if you change the culture you change the country.
The fear is entirely baseless. It's pure animal instinct fear of the unknown.
It takes no effort to adopt other cultures as a subculture. It happens all the time in America, if your culture is so rigid that you cannot or will not accept any additions or alterations, you're going to break with the slightest amount of pressure.
And why play a ranking game with "culture" anyway? I literally couldn't give a shit if Americans started favoring soccer over football. More taco places than Hamburger places? Oh no! The horror!
Even the language argument dies out after literally one generation. The parents and grandparents don't bother and use little Jimmy as a personal translator. Hell, best case scenario is it creates economic ties and generates wealth with another country (See Mexico-US) and your native language gets some neat additional vocabulary.
Things get even less problematic if you don't demand everyone adhere to unspoken rigid social rules.
RCC42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's the basic argument. People are indeed instinct-driven animals, so when they have a cultural identity and feel that identity is threatened/changing they become worried about it as if it were a personal attack. This has to be especially pronounced in difficult economic times where people feel more generally threatened and insecure.
I don't think it's a good argument to call fear of change/unknown baseless since for hundreds of thousands of years of evolution the unknown thing or tribe over the next hill could very well wipe out you and your entire tribe and way of life. The humans that were more cautious survived and so we're left with today's human psychology. It's just the way it is, so we have to deal with it. The same way, say, cancer is an outcome of biological processes that we had no part in designing, but we have to deal with it too, and we do with medical science, really good medical science in fact, but, nobody is out there suggesting we need to be conscious of human bias and (frequent) irrationality and take measures to deal with the fact that the default human programming comes with fear of people who are different than them.
American culture has mutated incredibly over the hundreds of years, and cultures that used to be demonized (the Irish and Polish among many others) have become a core American culture (pizza, anyone?).
To me it's baseless. I have no fears of being "out bred" or my fictional daughter dating someone whose skin is darker than an Irish ghost.
I work with people of Mexican descent every day, some of them openly talk about having family members here illegally. It doesn't bother me, Mexico hasn't always been the best place, and I don't begrudge them trying to make their family's lives better. My family would do the same if we hadn't been lucky enough to make it to the US.
There's Mexican music on the radio here. I don't care for it but since I listen to audible or npr during my commute it doesn't effect me. It's easier to get breakfast tacos here than it is to get pancakes. What's the problem? I've communicated with people who don't speak English, and I can joke with my bilingual coworkers by using my limited Spanish.
What's the downside here? What is there to fear? I can watch football on the TV every weekend just like every where else. I can get a pizza delivered on a Friday. No one has instituted any "Mexican Sharia" here. My neighbors are all nice people as far as I can tell. We even have our own app to sell used furniture to each other. Hell, as someone who enjoys spicey food, it's a huge boon with hot sauce everywhere.
I did volunteered to do taxes for a few months and found out we have a sizable population of people from Myanmar here, one of whom told me they hadn't seen a car until they came here. I felt bad for them since they all worked for Tyson foods who just got in trouble for shitty working conditions. I talked to an Iraqi guy who migrated here, his wife was extremely nervous about openly telling people they were migrants. And yet I can still get local or national beer in most restaurants. People cross the border and shop up here to the point where businesses rely on it. I'm the only member of my family who hasn't dated solely white people.
What is the threat? What should I be fearing? Who is trying to take away whatever it is I consider uniquely American (which is almost nothing)?
The concept of fearing it is just ridiculous to me. It has no base and I'm capable of being self-critical of my own thoughts and changing them.
I have nothing to fear and I don't see why anyone else does, short of future Brownshirts.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, to you it's baseless but other people have different perspectives, circumstances, and wiring. Similarly to when, say, a straight person says that the concerns about discrimination coming from gay people is baseless, i.e., "Why are gay people constantly complaining? They have rights, what's the big deal? Their complaints are baseless.", because of course, the perspective and circumstances of the straight person is different from the perspective and circumstances of the gay person. It's not that the gay person's perspective is baseless, or that the straight person's perspective is baseless. They are both have the foundation of that person's unique perspective and cultural circumstances backing up their opinion.
So when I say that there are people with these fears of cultural invasion or abrupt cultural change, it's because as a statistic there is going to be plenty of people who fall back on this kind of thinking when things go bad for them because they may not have a trustworthy institution (Government, university) that they believe will tell them the truth (i.e., the 'elite liberal' disdain).
The numbers clearly show a decline in the prosperity of the middle class, especially concentrated on the working class including a large white demographic. Thus explains the alt-right as it reacts to those disaffected people, appealing to their (base biology) of fear of the other and lack of institutional/cultural moors for that demographic. So when the alt-right says "You're right, it is that other who is causing you so much grief and is the reason why you lost your house and your job and why you have no culture, someone is taking it from you!" from the perspective of those disaffected and without any trustworthy institution to tell them otherwise it is no surprise to me that people are swayed by Trump's swinging bullshit on a string.
Unfortunately Trump and the GOP (and (alt)right media) place the blame on the other, taking advantage of these conditions instead of telling people that the reason they are so deprived socio-culturally and economically is due to monopolistic concentration of corporations AND government which deprives them of individual sovereignty (which is the only thing people actually want, see: Libertarians(who I disagree with on almost every policy)) as one Walmart in a community produces a handful of terrible jobs instead of 40 mom and pop stores and shuts down competition, because, what mom and pop could possibly compete with Walmart? (those mom and pops which would not only be retail stores, but also include repair shops, tool stores, and produce other pro-community, pro-economic, and pro-competition results) while concentration of government results in Big Gov (Dem or GOP) telling you that you have to let people into bathrooms or you absolutely must abort people, or whatever the crisis of the day is, instead of allowing local community government (borough, city, state) managing its own affairs.
Similarly to when, say, a straight person says that the concerns about discrimination coming from gay people is baseless, i.e., "Why are gay people constantly complaining? They have rights, what's the big deal? Their complaints are baseless.",
Really dude? You're reaching awfully hard in order to compare my open position on other cultures into the same thing as homophobia. I literally cannot hold those two concepts in my head at the same time. They're completely opposed to each other.
What is your point? Some undereducated jackass in nowheresville, nowhere is somehow justified in their asshole beliefs that entire races are criminals? That because you're a blue collar Middle American, your opinion that gay people spread disease is understandable?
Bullshit. Being poor doesn't excuse shitty basic logic. The statement all ___ are ___ is almost always going to be false when talking about social issues. It's not a coherent belief system. I didn't grow up in a culture that seeks an upper class who has all the political power, a disenfranchised and servile class of poor whites, and a subjugated and oppressed minority population. I wasn't brainwashed with any of that stupidity. There is no excuse. Seriously, but anything you want in those blanks and tell me how long it would take you to prove to yourself it isn't true. All men are rapists, all mexicans are lazy, etc. The statements are false at face value. I'm not going to excuse people for being mentally lazy because their upper class keeps them distracted with "LOOK OUT SPOOKY BROWN PEOPLE". They should know better. It has nothing to do with experiences or schooling. It's basic logic, no harder than 1+1.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it were as easy as 1+1 then we wouldn't be in this situation.
I am not excusing anybody or any opinion, I'm offering an explanation. It is well documented, for example, how cooperative and compliant the German population at large was during Hitler's rise to power as he isolated and turned segments of the population into out-groups (Jews, the physically and mentally disabled, communists, and homosexuals, etc). It's difficult to argue that the German people in 1933 were just super racist compared to other countries. Why would they be? What's different between Germans or the French or the British? The difference was a massive and devastating depression following Germany's defeat in WW1, resulting in hyper inflation and economic despair and uncertainty among the German population. Hitler exploited this (as Trump has done to a lesser degree) and amplified and inflamed people's increased anxiety and vulnerability to their more primitive, survival-based thinking which would include fear of out-groups in order to rally and exploit them.
So I don't ascribe to the idea that some people are inherently racist (such as the undereducated jackasses in nowheresville you describe) but that they are more reliant on methods of thinking that cause dislike or hatred of out-groups due to their deprived circumstances and/or lack of mental frameworks to deal with those xenophobic impulses that might arise due to their deprivation or inherited culture of racism, which itself may be due to any number of causes including centuries past Southern justification for why slavery was not morally wrong due to the economic benefit of slavery to them.
I am not saying that the person in nowheresville is justified in their asshole beliefs, just that there is a comprehensible explanation for it. Of course it is not moral or right and I would never suggest that it is.
There is significant evidence that poverty impairs mental function for both adults and children, and that children growing up impoverished may carry that impairment with them to adulthood. Fully 20% of children in the US are in households considered to be in poverty. So yes, being poor does impact basic logic, and it doesn't help that highschool doesn't teach logic or critical thinking.
Unfortunately people don't necessarily need to have coherent belief systems to function. Cognitive dissonance allows people to have conflicting facts and opinions in their heads at the same time, which is a deeply unfortunate human trait (but then human traits are what we have been talking about).
I am not clear that I understand your statement:
I didn't grow up in a culture that seeks an upper class who has all the political power, a disenfranchised and servile class of poor whites, and a subjugated and oppressed minority population. I wasn't brainwashed with any of that stupidity.
So I can't respond to it accurately.
I don't suggest that you excuse anybody's behaviour, but understanding the source of their behaviour can be quite useful for helping them navigate out of poor thought processes or beliefs such as what we are talking about.
It's not constructive to ignore the impact that manipulation by the upper class has on people, which is why I try to bring it up at every opportunity to help people build mental frameworks that make things more comprehensible. It's much more rational that the wealthy are purposefully depriving the middle and lower classes to divert attention from the gross excess, abuses, theft, and division the wealthy are engaged in than it is to assume that large groups of people are inherently and unrecoverably racist (such as the person in nowheresville).
Here's the problem, you don't need money to see how moronic "All __ are ___" statements are. You don't need a college degree. You don't need to take symbolic logic. Sure, being poor has a tendency to cascade on itself, so you make more bad financial choices than a rich person might. You value things differently. But what's the excuse for believing an entire culture has some inherent flaw?
Your explanation just comes off as really long winded rambling that "tl;dr it's rich people's faults" as if it's somehow not the fault of Nazis, they were just tricked into having shitty beliefs by the Nazi Elite".
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give people a pass for their shitty beliefs because they're poor. I don't buy it. It's not an excuse for being intellectually lazy like that. They're not the victims, they're the victimizes.
Seriously, we fought a Civil War over this, millions died around WWII because of this. I'm not going to let them shift the blame to someone else to absolve themselves of their own sins.
Where is the leap in logic? If you can understand it, explain it in less than six paragraphs. "The rich said so" doesn't really work for me.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay I'll sum it up:
Desperate people are willing to do and believe desperate things on the chance it may improve their personal situations. The worse their situation, the more desperate.
(this does not cover rich racists, those guys are assholes)
And to me that's no explanation for joining the Brownshirts or the KKK. I fundamentally reject the notion that being poor means you can't figure out why such attitudes are moronic. Don't infantalize them, they aren't children. They know what they're doing, they understand the results even if they bend over backwards to hide it and live with themselves.
In West Texas, there's a tiny town called Slocum. It's got less than 300 people in it. You wouldn't even pass through it going to any of the major cities. In 1910, a number of white men lynched a black citizen and killed several others, then returned to town. Upon returning, they immediately started spreading rumors that the black community was preparing an armed retaliation.
You know what happened next?
A few hundred white men got into a mob and began to systematically genocide the black population of the town. All the victims (and there were more than a hundred) were shot in the back. None were armed, and no whites were injured. The Sheriff was there and didn't do jack shit. They eventually arrested a dozen or so people but no one was charged with any crime. The cherry on top of the sundae is they stole the houses and possessions of the people who were killed or fled.
I'm sorry but poor doesn't do that to a person. You don't do that kind of thing because some guy with more pockets than morality said to. Those people who were there wanted to be. The people who saw the rumors were false before their very eyes and stayed weren't tricked into being there. They didn't pull the trigger because they needed college tuition. They knew what they were doing and they wanted to be there at that moment with their finger on the trigger.
I'm sorry but mothballs in your bank account will never be a good enough explanation for me.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, not to be pedantic about it, but you've repeatedly said that "All ___ are ___" statements are moronic, but it seems like you're throwing a huge amount of people under the bus as irredeemable. Where do you draw the line that makes someone a monster? What about some guy's white mom who sees a mugshot of a black guy on Fox News and mutters "I knew it." but bakes cookies for all the kids (of all races) at the school she works at. How much blame does she get? How redeemable is she? Is it her fault she got sucked into Fox's vortex of irrationality? What about the school that failed to educate her, or her parents who told her black people were criminals, or the president who reinforces those fears? Where is the line between circumstance and choice?
I just don't think it's as simple as saying people are bad people because they have bad opinions, and there's a difference between opinions and actions too.
I think all of us should be concerned about falling into situations that make the wrong choices easier (such as being under a Trump presidency), because we underestimate how powerful mob mentality and groupthink can be.
Is it her fault she got sucked into Fox's vortex of irrationality?
Yes. We live in a society with freedom of speech, including shitty speech. The duty is on the listener not to become an asshole.
What about the school that failed to educate her, or her parents who told her black people were criminals, or the president who reinforces those fears?
Her's alone unless she hasn't hit the age of majority, although that's not really an acceptable explanation either unless we're in kindergarten/middle school range.
Where is the line between circumstance and choice?
There is no such thing as racist by circumstance. There is only racist by choice.
Seriously, someone comes up to you and says "I'm sorry I joined the American Reich and killed your parents, I was just under the influence of a rich dude. We cool bruh?"
And your response is, "oh that's totally understandable. You're poor and thus have no personal responsibility for your thoughts or actions, you're merely a blank slate that society shapes how it wants. You're just a product of your time. All is forgiven!"
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you must hold the belief that all Germans in Nazi Germany were monsters, or at least the vast majority of them. Are you suggesting that there is something special about German people that make them more monstrous than everyone else? What about WW2 Russians? or Japanese? The Japanese and Russians did an overwhelming amount of barbaric things too.
Is there something special about Germans, Japanese, and Russians that make them evil? Why?
Which is more likely - that those three groups of people are inherently more evil than the rest of the world OR people can be influenced by their environment and do horrible things that they would not do if put in different circumstances.
Then you must hold the belief that all Germans in Nazi Germany were monsters, or at least the vast majority of them
Nope. The elections that got the Nazis into power had them at less than 50 percent of the vote. That's when they started persecuting their political rivals. After that, there was a lot of vote rigging, voter intimidation, and domestic spying program to enforce ideological purity. Then you get things like laws forcing people into nazi party programs only so they have no alternatives, etc. It's definitely not all, but I don't know the numbers to even say most. There definitely were Germans who didn't commit war crimes.
Is there something special about Germans, Japanese, and Russians that make them evil? Why?
Nope, not in the slightest. Those individuals who engaged in war rape did it of their own free will. There's no mandate that you rape your way through Germany and China while conquering them.
Which is more likely
I completely reject that dichotomy.
Maybe I can rephrase my stance and see if it helps. At no point are you forced into any action. Sure we can get into hypotheticals about guns to foreheads and such, but when it comes down to it, not raping someone is pretty easy. You just don't do it. So when say you're a revanchist taking back territory and you come upon some foreign women who are poor and alone, you just don't rape them. When you're in the middle of China and bored because your country has no idea how to get themselves out of the situation, just don't take underage girls as "comfort women". You don't get a free pass because "they burned down my farm 6 years ago" or something. You don't get a "get out of jail free card" because you were poor. You just don't do that behavior. If someone starts rabble rousing, you still don't do the behavior even if they tell you. Because why would your circumstances or the words of another person somehow chance the morality of the act?
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... why did the Russians and Japanese plunder and rape more than the Allies? Are you suggesting that British, American, etc, that their people were just better, more moral people and didn't make the individual decisions you're talking about that the Russians and Japanese did? What's the difference between an American soldier and a Japanese soldier who takes comfort women? Is the Japanese soldier just inherently more racist/immoral and more likely to do immoral things? Why are they that way? Is it their biology or their circumstances?
So... why did the Russians and Japanese plunder and rape more than the Allies?
Couldn't tell you, those two armies were in complete opposite situations when they did it. I'd say at the very least it was personal failures on the part of each of those soldiers. I don't know enough about their psychology to know why their abhorrence for the act was overriden by their desire for revenge.
Are you suggesting that British, American, etc, that their people were just better
I'm not big on making those kinds of all encompassing statements about groups of people, so no.
What's the difference between an American soldier and a Japanese soldier who takes comfort women?
Do you want me to list every variable.or can you figure that on your own?
Is it their biology or their circumstances?
To me, thought would be a third pillar that I would chose. They weren't born rapists, they weren't made rapists. They chose to be.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't born rapists, they weren't made rapists. They chose to be.
Yes that's exactly what I am trying to ask you - Why did Japanese and Russian soldiers, by overwhelming statistics, rape and pillage while their counterparts in the Allies did not? What was the difference that kept American soldiers from raping German women?
Here's the issue were stuck on: you have to either convince me that all there is, is nature or nurture (or both), or you have to convince me that free will of thought doesn't exist. That we're slaves to our biology or experiences and therefore have no choice or ability to pick another option.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:11 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is definitely both nature and nurture. People are complex and squishy creatures, just like at the case of the railway foreman Phineas Gage who got a railroad spike through his head(prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that could best be describes as 'impulse control') in an accident and his personality completely changed from a kind, generous, and thoughtful man to rash and impulsive, violent at times and unable to hold a job.
A human comes with a great /potential/ for many different kinds of behaviours, but we can look at humans as a group and say "We pretty consistently help our family." where indeed the vast, vast majority of us desire and try to follow through with helping our close relatives more than we would strangers. People similarly identify in-groups and out-groups, i.e., "People like me" and "People different than me" and have different biases towards those groups once they make that determination. So if for example a person holds the belief that "I'm an American, that guy is an American too. He is like me and part of my group" then they will have a positive bias towards that other person, but, if they have the belief "I am white. That guy is black. He is not like me." then even if we are talking about the exact same two people, based on how they think about each other will activate different parts of the brain reacting to whether that person is an in-group or an out-group. This is how dehumanization starts, where Hitler for example turns the German Jews into an out-group, and people start to hate them as a result of that. Not everybody, obviously, and of course it's possible to use reason to compensate for the change in circumstances. "Hitler is telling me that Jews are bad people and not of my group, but I know Michael and he is my baker, I've known him for years." but maybe you don't really know the person very well, so you need to find a different reason. "Michael is my baker, but I just met him last week. But he is clearly German. Sure he is Jewish, but he talks about Oktoberfest, and I love Oktoberfest, it is a very German thing, so Michael is a German like me."
We are unfortunately both slaves to our biology and experiences but ALSO capable (but not frequently enough it seems) of disciplining our own thoughts. The danger is that ideas can become stuck in our head, and pervert all future thought. It is much easier to continue to like Michael the baker once you've already known him and liked him for years, but much harder if you have never met him, or don't know any Jews. Also if you see everyone in your country as an American first, and you are also American, then it is easy to assume that they must be like you and part of your group, but once you forget about that and start thinking that the other person is black or white, and you are the opposite, therefor they are different than you, it is very hard to climb back out of that mental framework because whenever you see that person who you consider to be the out-group it will reinforce that thinking like running grooves in a dirt road.
Biology also kind of works this way, for example if you are healthy it is easy to stay healthy, but once you are sick (say, obese, or with heart failure) it becomes difficult or impossible to climb back out from that. Modern medicine helps, but only so much.
I mean, I've understood it the entire way through, I just don't see the part in which we suddenly lack intellectual free will.
For me, I just wouldn't blame some minority group for my own failures. I'm self-critical enough to the point where I can see "yeah, that was my fault and I should change" even if it isn't instantaneous. I can't imagine a scenario in which I would do anything of the things we've talked about (ignoring "covert racism/sexism, which is always a possibility). I'm too distrustful of politicians from either side so both Trump and Sanders, to me, are both incredibly disingenuous (for different reasons) even if I agree with one much more than the other. So I just have a hard time seeing how other people would fall for that, short of a lacking of some quality. The inability or refusal to be self-critical would be an example. Take Donald Trump's (rumored?) refusal to evaluate his past actions because he's afraid of what he'd see as an example of this in a person. So to me, "nurture" ends up being a personal failing, not the fault of the people around it.
And I don't know enough neuroscience to be able to say "oh, you can clearly see on the MRI that this bit of his brain indicates he's predisposed to being racist" or anything like that. So "Nature" gets too close to phrenology for my tastes if you're trying to point to people and say "oh, he's naturally servile and being in a racist environment will result in him becoming a racist". Just seems like he had every opportunity to not be racist.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:30 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to be insulting because I have enjoyed our discussion, but I encourage you to look into the psychology of behaviour. We're a lot more vulnerable to subtle circumstantial influence than we believe.
This is a Ted video that shows how easy it is to make tiny little nudges in the environment to cause regular, normal people to change their behaviour in measurable ways without their knowing. The video is about wealth inequality and its influence on behaviour but the same principles should be understood to be at work to cause people to follow fascists or commit suicide or any number of non-normal/ideal behaviour: http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean
I can't promise to watch it within a day or so since I've got other commitments, but I'll watch it at some point.
I've read Lack of Character: Personality and Moral Behavior by John M. Doris and he kind of touches on what you're saying, but doesn't exactly get into anything too hardcore.
Part of it is that he talks about how we talk about personality traits incorrectly, for example we say someone is "brave" and this is meant to be an example of their consistent behavior, but they aren't brave all the time. Are they brave when they brush their teeth? Do they drive their car bravely on their morning commute? Etc.
He then transitions into talking about the idea that our emotions aren't consistent. We can "wake up on the wrong side of the bed" as one example. In another, he describes an experiment where a researcher either does, or does not leave some change in the coin return slot of a pay phone. A test subject (passersby) then went into the phone booth to use it, found or did not find the coins, then the researcher would walk past them as they left and drop a bunch of paperwork. They would then record whether or not people would help them. The people who found chance in the booth were more likely to help. His overall point being that when good things happen to people, they are more like to be good in return.
The closest he comes to to what we're talking about is the Miligram Experiment and the Stanford Prison Experiment. Problem is that both of those have issues when trying to relate them to something larger like the Nazism. I can't pretend to be an expert in that argument, but I'm aware that they exist.
I have long lost the source, but I also recall a study that showed one of the more effective ways to combat racist beliefs (among college age white students) was to move students from high racial homogenous schools in which they were the minority, and instead moving them into schools where they were a racial minority.
Not trying to start anything but isn't calling yourself a Bernie or bust kinda guy when we're in the middle of bust and it's the worst thing ever incredibly embarrassing?
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
calling yourself a Bernie or bust kinda guy when we're in the middle of bust and it's the worst thing ever incredibly embarrassing?
No.
The polls for Bernie vs Trump between July 2015 to July 2016 averaged a 10 point spread through their campaigns.
During the exact same time period for Clinton vs Trump (July 2015 to July 2016) Clinton averaged only 3 points ahead of Trump.
Polls overwhelmingly suggested Clint had at best a squeaker victory over Trump while Sanders would have flipped the country blue unlike Trump's red-flip. In an alternate reality where Sanders wins the Dem primary Democrats would own the presidency and both houses.
The fact that today Bernie is out there railing for justice and grilling Trump's swamp-creature appointees like Betsy "Public School is a waste of money" DeVos only further suggests that he was the right candidate to work for the American people, while Clinton is... on vacation? I guess? Anybody heard from her?
Bernie or bust = refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton = why Trump is the president.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America is a representative democracy. You're supposed to vote for the person that represents your interests and will benefit your life and the life of others. If you vote for someone despite knowing that they hold policies which you do not, then you're never going to get representation.
Douglas Adams wrote it best:
โIt comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happenned to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
"But that's terrible," said Arthur.
"Listen, bud," said Ford, "if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another bit of the Universe and say 'That's terrible' I wouldn't be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.โ
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uuuuhm, okay, so how about... never vote for the lesser of two evils because then all you're ever going to get is evil. It's this thing called a principle, where you make choices based on a personal or societal set of morals. One of those morals includes voting in a representative democracy for those who represent you. So when presented with a choice between Clinton (does not represent me), Trump (does not represent me), or Jill Stein (represents me more than the other two) then if you believe in the principle of a representative democracy then that principle informs you to vote for the option which represents you best. Even if Bernie Sanders is not on the ballot, but he represents you the most, I don't find anything morally objectionable to writing in Bernie as your representative of choice, even if the ballot gets thrown out.
This is not the fucking point, bro. I'm asking if you're embarrassed to have asked for this bust when actually faced with what it looks like. Apparently you aren't. Let me guess: straight, white, male, under 25? Good work, budski.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not embarrassed. Nobody should be embarrassed for voting their principles. I don't have any control over who or how many people voted for Trump so you shouldn't hold me responsible for their actions. Be mad at them, not me.
For that argument to work the USA would have to have a defining set of cultural characteristics that were worth preserving. Other than various genres of music (made by minorities and immigrants for the most part) and movies (again, a disproportionately multicultural arena) I'm struggling to think of anything.
RCC42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm struggling to think of any [defining set of American cultural characteristics].
Hmm, maybe that's part of the source of people's fears and uncertainty? Trust in Western institutions is at an all time low, especially so in America. Similarly people may be struggling to find a cultural identity for themselves beyond consumerism and brand-identity. America doesn't have Brazil's Carnival or Japan's Tea Ceremonies or Germany's Oktoberfest, etc. American identity post WW2 seemed to be that of industry, moonshots, grand projects, and "The American Dream" of a house, partner, 2.5 kids and a boat along with local community (Church, civics, public institutions such as libraries, schools, local offices.) basically whatever the rest of the world did, the Americans did better. (cars, watches, supermarkets, etc) just look at the public concern in past decades about, for example, Japan building better electronics than America. It was a big deal from what I read, and likewise the communal smugness Americans felt after the USSR was unable to put food in supermarkets while American stores were overflowing.
That kind of cultural identity dissolves when you export manufacturing to China and haven't built a Panama Canal or gone to the moon in decades either. What is America best in these days? Lead poisoning, corruption, social unrest. Not really great.
Underneath the scum and mold of Trump's rhetoric he is promising an American identity of some kind, whereas Clinton's message was overwhelmingly "The world is new and scary so deal with it, but do it yourself because I'm not going to help you get over it." or at least that is how she may have sounded to many ears.
Rofl it is true that American white folks will lose the country they rightfully won by being a minority in their own country by 2050. Maybe Mexicans have sped up that process. I don't know for sure. But the dems think they can be the ruling white minority in a republic of cultures that hate each other. Sorry but the amount of white hate is too high. The second white folks are the minority in the USA they are being put into camps. Every race will gang up to exterminate white people from America. Even the dems who fought for the other races. There is no peace and harmony for brown and black folks of white people are alive. We can't start to give up on our country yet.
-Tommy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally never.
soAsian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:31:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cause Trump and a lot of conservatives are worried that we're going to be the majority of the population in 10 or 20 years.
Oh please. They will just reclassified what's white. Just look at the history, how the definition of white have evolved in America.
its because they want to maintain a cheap labor force for agriculture n' such. they know damn well that they cant stop illegal immigration, but as long as people stay illegal, they can be paid a lot less and cant go off looking for better jobs. they'll bitch and moan about how they're just trying to get rid of "illegals" but really they just want to keep an underclass of non-citizens that can be easily exploited. as long as certain people have no legal status, they cant demand things like decent pay and they cant sue for better working conditions.
MosDaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did not say "Mexicans are rapists," nor did he say anything even vaguely like that. He did say this about illegal immigrants though.
Of course, the original article at the link, the title of this post, and basically everyone here conveniently leaves out 'illegal' in order to pretend that Trump is "against immigrants."
Trump's an unhinged moron... But I'm not entirely convinced that the most vocal anti-Trumpists are a whole lot better.
cfoley45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an illuminating article about the economic motives behind the blatant racism. https://nplusonemag.com/issue-26/the-intellectual-situation/prince-trump/ It essentially says that working class Americans resent illegal immigrants for taking their jobs and the wall represents a step in increasing the demand for cheap American laborers. But also, blatant racism.
Bernhard Langer disputes that he has talked to Trump. He says that he talked to a friend which talked to someone from the White House.
Langers daughter said that her father isnยดt a friend of Trump.
If Trump considers all latino votes to be illegal, maybe that's where he gets the "3 million illegal votes" number.
fre3k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What he said is that "Mexico is not sending us their best, they're sending us... their rapists". But most of the media reported that he said they're rapists. Which is an easy "misinterpretation" if you're lying for propogandic effect.
He's still a regressive idiot of a president though.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she isn't a dirty Mexican so who cares? Obviously nobody has a problem with more sexy white women in America. /s
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:10:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An interviewer asked Richard Spencer how he felt about having Tila Tequila's support. He said something along the lines of, "Well, there will have to be exceptions. I'm a pretty generous guy."
He also has dated Asian women.
Basically, immigrants and foreigners are bad, except for when we decide they aren't. It's hypocritical and stupid.
richt519 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup that's what most racism looks like in today's world. Racist people have no problem associating with "the good ones" while still thinking the race as a whole is bad.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is actually misinformation. It is not illegal to work while your visa is being processed. It is not recommended in certain circumstances but it is not illegal.
But who cares facts no longer matter to you folks both sides are so full of hyperbolic bullshit no one is speaking the truth.
It doesn't get more attention because it isn't true. Trump is an American citizen and as a result his kids are entitled to citizenship regardless of their mother's citizenship status. Even so, all his children were born in wedlock, which means that their mother's citizenship status was not in question at the time of their birth. It is factual to say that four of his five kids were born to immigrant mothers, but that Barron is an anchor baby is provably false. Additionally, as far as I know, it has not been definitively proven that Melania worked illegally.
Lrrr23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, whose war on women? She worked here for 30 days with the wrong Visa. Made $20k, so much for her being a drag on society. Was that a job our previous FLOTUS could have filled?
Trump is talking about people who came here with clearing any immigration and killing people, and people want to focus on four weeks of a super models career. Yep, that will get you power back.
This is totally wrong. She's not brown. The whole point is to get the brown people out of this country. Duh. Eurotrash is fine. As long as it's not to many. Or the Irish.
Castro02 ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 17:13:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, we all know "immigrants" doesn't refer to white people.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:48:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, bet you $1000 that the list will only be of crimes committed by Mexican immigrants and those from nations where Islam is the main religion
Ctaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or immigrants (white or otherwise) who sympathize with non-white immigrants getting the brunt of Trump's vitriol, and have been or are vocal about it.
xereeto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's white-skinned Blacks too. Racism in the US has operated through such things as the "one-drop rule," not so much skin color. Unless you can lie and pass yourself off as a white person, you're not going to be treated as white in the US.
xereeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand the logic... Europeans are white, but not people with Spanish heritage for some reason.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xereeto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, as were Italians. But what I can't wrap my head around is that somehow they now accept them as "European master race" but not the Spanish. Makes no damn sense.
It also shows how fucking stupid the idea of racism is.
Can someone explain to me why in the holiest of fucks was he not disqualified in some sort of way for doing these things? Surely the White House has legal teams.
no, there will be no such list... no one cares about that... like his tax returns.
what irks me right now, is that the only fraud he can come up with is on his side and specifically his own board of people.
so, maybe there were 3-5 million illegal/wrongful votes... just maybe they were all for him.
hillary only lost PA by like 30k. so maybe she did win here... only voter fraud against him is bad apparently
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many of you were mad that people questioned Obama's birth certificate, but then upvoted this guy over a rumor that Melania was an illegal immigrant? Hypocrites.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you have no principles, you just pretend that you do while you have power, and abandon them as soon as you need to trash someone.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:46:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cregister ยท 1465 points ยท Posted at 17:54:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's recap. Since taking office on Friday afternoon, Trump's has:
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
Frozen all EPA grants and forbidden the EPA from awarding any new contracts.
Placed gag orders on the EPA and USDA that forbids their employees from talking to the media about anything.
Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media about anything.
Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees.
The military and the Department of Homeland Security are exempted, of course.
Re-instituted and strengthened a global gag order on abortion information.
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy.
Nominated a woman who said she wants to eliminate public education to head the Department of Education.
Retroactively declared January 20, 2017 "National Day of Patriotic Devotion."
Nominated a man who wants to eliminate net neutrality to head the FCC.
Signed a bill that hikes FHA mortgage rates for poor people.
Signed executive actions to push through construction of the deeply unpopular Dakota Access and Keystone oil pipelines.
Ordered his press secretary to lie to the press about the size of his inaugural crowd.
Acted like a toddler at his first press conference as President, also at his speech to the CIA.
Said his first overseas trip might be to visit with Vladimir Putin.
Introduced the phrase "alternative facts" into the public discourse.
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had his press secretary double-down on the claim the following day, and now has Congress investigating his baseless claims.
Said in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News: "I've spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago, with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked them the question, 'Does it work? Does torture work?' And the answer was yes. Absolutely."
Claimed in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News that not a single one of the 3-5 million "illegal votes" he alleges were cast in the 2016 election were cast for him.
Threatened martial law in Chicago via a twitter post.
Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, which is something Hitler did.
I remember feeling good seeing the images from the Women's March. That feels like it happened a month ago now. The pace of this disaster I just cannot comprehend.
Nerdloaf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:07:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Introducing Trump years. It's like dog years but shittier
Xetanees ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:18:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
??? 4 at least, 8 at most.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, look at Trump gearing up to massacre voting rights. Why do you think he keeps harping on the "MILLIONS" of illegal voters? In fact his line about how none of the illegal votes are for himself tells me his actions will absolutely be designed to target the Dem party and Dem counties.
8 years. Maybe more!
Xetanees ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:44:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is true. If he does what he wants he really could be the "God Emperor" of America.
massacre voting rights
You mean for people who illegally entered our country?
So you're saying we shouldn't have voter ID, so that just anyone can waltz on into a voting booth?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so that just anyone can waltz on into a voting booth?
Close.
Trump wants to investigate voter fraud - Florida's Republican government was way ahead of him and looked into their own voter registry in 2012. They turned up a whopping 85 people out of almost 9,500,000 million voters. That's 0.0009%, to really drive home how negligible voter fraud is.
So the question isn't really "should anyone be able to waltz in". The question is "will scaling back voting rights have a deeper impact on American democracy than just 85 law breakers". Personally, I don't think much of solutions that would stop more Americans voting than foreigners.
And voter ID isn't the only way republicans have tried to limit voting rights, so I don't know why you're acting like it's the only measure on the table.
Trump could very well go "We need less polling places so we can have more scrutiny", resulting in longer lines, longer waits, and less people able or willing to vote. And with that approach you can specifically target certain areas that you want to silence politically.
Point me to some proof that millions of people voted illegally.
All that should be required to vote is a valid social security number and a completely free photo ID provided by the government on your 18th birthday. Like how most people treat their driver's permit. Except not everyone can afford a car.
That would make voting simple and easy for those qualified to vote. Like how the Founding Fathers intended. Only now we live in a time where any adult American citizen (non-felon) can vote.
It's 8. They will use every power available to them to brainwash even more people with their alternative facts. So as a european. Fuck the US. I disliked this country in the Bush era, Obama cozied me up again and Trump needed 10 days in office to completely write you guys of forever. Every politician with even only a slight favorable view towards this shitcountry won't get my vote.
Fuck David Muir for not calling him out on his bullshit. Like, he didn't come prepared with facts about the "illegal" voting? I would trust MSM more if they actually did the job they pretend to do.
Muir honestly tried. Trump told him to reference the Pew report for his claims. Muir then told him he spoke to the author of the report the previous day, and he had stated flatly that there was no voter fraud. Trump then interrupted and shouted down Muir while calling the author of the report a "groveler." It doesn't even make fucking sense. The idiot had just finished using the guy as a reference. He also apparently has no idea what the word 'groveling' even means.
lonestiz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:04:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought David Muir did a good job and basically let Trump hang himself.
If you haven't read the transcript, it's frightening. Trump is not mentally stable.
At this point, the sheer number of competing lunacies makes it hard for me to know where to begin when someone talks to me about Trump. I just don't know where to start.
It is very hard for a man to defend anything of which he is entirely convinced. It is comparatively easy when he is only partially convinced. He is partially convinced because he has found this or that proof of the thing, and he can expound it. But a man is not really convinced of a philosophic theory when he finds that something proves it. He is only really convinced when he finds that everything proves it. And the more converging reasons he finds pointing to this conviction, the more bewildered he is if asked suddenly to sum them up. Thus, if one asked an ordinary intelligent man, on the spur of the moment, "Why do you prefer civilization to savagery?" he would look wildly round at object after object, and would only be able to answer vaguely, "Why, there is that bookcase . . . and the coals in the coal-scuttle . . . and pianos . . . and policemen." The whole case for civilization is that the case for it is complex. It has done so many things. But that very multiplicity of proof which ought to make reply overwhelming makes reply impossible.
- G.K. Chesterton
bcon24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just do my best Trump impression: cry like a baby and call them a terrorist.
Retroactively declared January 20, 2017 "National Day of Patriotic Devotion."
Honestly, this one blew my mind the most. This is something you would expect from some banana republic dictator with self-aggrandizing medals pinned to his chest. Fuck me.
[deleted] ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 19:22:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Obama did the same thing on his Inauguration day. The difference was the name of the "holiday."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chowler ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:10:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I never said any that. The TPP abandonment has its merits and Obama had several shady deals in regards firing certain scientists and his inaction with marijuana.
However "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" sounds like something Kim Jong Un is kicking himself for not creating first.
Yeah, tbf those both strike me as a little dystopian sounding. It's just that Obama's sounds more like Brave New World and Trump's sounds more like 1984.
domrepp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:38:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The intent is basically the same, just like freedom and subservience.
I'm pretty pro free trade which is what the TPP is supposed to be doing, but it seemed like such a mess I couldn't get on board with it. Super huge document, held secret from the public, with quick votes so there can't be any discussion and leaked info about it that it would fuck up IP laws and give corporations the power to sue governments? Anything that sketchy has to be full of cronyism and corporate bs. As it's been said "the best free trade law is no law", becasue free trade is the natural way and it takes laws to restrict it. No free trade agreement should be as complicated as the TPP is
supported a bill for immediate withdrawal from the UN
How the hell is that a good thing? Unless you want World War III to happen. The fact that attacking a country may trigger economic and even military sanctions from a lot of other states, most of them unrelated to the attacker, is the only reason we don't see countries append Crimea on a daily basis.
I know reddit has a rage boner against the TPP and I think it had some serious flaws but without it China is going to rule the next century. And if Mexico leaves NAFTA and joins with China, we are fucked.
supported a bill for immediate withdrawal from the UN
What a complete and utterly stupid bill. Yes, let's just give up our vote in world politics and allow Russia and China to do whatever the fuck they want. Great idea.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pataglop ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:43:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The withdrawal of TPP has some merits, although I think it leaves the door open for every other countries to get better trade with Canada and Mexico.. but I agree, it is something, thanks.
supported a bill for immediate withdrawal from the UN
I am very very confused about this one... Considering the UN is a big part of the US hegemony and soft power projection in the world, leaving it seems odd... but it does align with the isolationism of Trump's America.
Nationalism is perfectly compatible with the UN, but regardless nationalism and xenophobia go hand and hand. It's not mere nationalism that would lead you to a withdrawal from the global community. America always put's itself first, part of that is participating in the world to protect our interests and further our economy. Both withdrawing from the TPP and the UN will harm our economic and political interests.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:06:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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autranep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global trade lowers prices, increases capacity for consumption, does not change productive capacity and raises average standard of living. It's BASIC economics.
voksul ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States got more out of their UN role than they put in. We got to direct the world policy on a holistic level, with minimal regulations actually compelling us. Why is the UN bad?
NSEERS? It hasn't been used since 2011 and Obama completely shut it down last year. There is nothing to keep going. Trump would be specifically reestablishing it as it existed when introduced by DHS in 2002.
Yeah, that admittedly does sound kind of Stalinesque.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:20:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think DT is a racist piece of garbage and shouldn't be anywhere near politics, but his critics need to be aware of facts and focus on important issues. It annoys the piss out of me how things like this are blown out of proportion when there are so many over issues that should be in headlines.
Pretty much the only ones he hasn't hit directly on the head -- most in the last week alone -- are #8 (religion) and #10 (labor unions). And he has Pence whispering in his ear for #8 regardless of his own inclination.
The complaint of the other commenter was that Trump had the self-importance to name a national day after himself. He wasn't even aware that it had been done before by His Savior.
You can stop with your FASCISM mating call at this point. Fascists don't generally consider heavily arming the populace they intend to oppress as wise policy.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of white people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." - The Constitution of the United States
Me, blind? You wrote "banana republic dictator" yourself.
The article equates the actions taken by Trump and Obama on their first day in naming their days of inauguration (in Obama's case, "National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation").
By the Transitive Property of Equality, Obama must have been a "banana republic dictator".
Your lack of education (historical and mathematical) has blinded you to logic your statements imply, and for that, I feel sorry for you.
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
This didn't really happen, it was a normal site changeover that archived Obama's administration's files during the transition. They weren't deleted, they were archived until could make his own version of them. Spanish language will probably be added soon. The issue comes in with what he replaces climate change and civil rights with.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 21:17:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I checked that place out a few hours ago. It's frightening how much they worship him. They're bragging aboit the trade massacre the United States is going to wage against Mexico. Apparently even the recent decision by Mexico's president to cancel their meeting is part of God/Trump's plan.
I'm sure they are both being downvoted. Both have positive karma. The top comment has more which is to be expected, more people are reading it (the commenter should have edited his comment to make the corrections, but no one can force him to do that).
Also, downvoting vs being banned? Apples and oranges.
ssesq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The_donald isn't a forum for politics discussion. It is a pro Trump subreddit. R/politics should be neutral. Apples v Oranges....
People get banned all the time for correcting people here. You just don't see it. There are tons of [deleted] comments of people who have been banned.
How about you get the mods to open the ban log and then you can make that claim. They should have no problem opening the ban log if everything is on the up and up right? Ask them and let me know what they say.
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website
That may be only half true, I'd suggest you look at this
Also, he replaced the Climate Change page to one that wants to repeal acts that prevent it.
And I don't think language translations ar enormal changeovers.
Atario ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:40:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So your theory is that a billionaire and a whole team of professionals couldn't write up three paragraphs each on a dozen different topics over the course of three months?
I did happen, and we can continue to be pissy about it until something goes up in their place.
The fact that President Obama's pages went down is part of the routine exchanges of power.
Likewise, the archiving isn't "...until could make his own version..." [SIC]. The archiving is a normal thing that isn't temporary from my understanding. Just like President Obama's White House website, President George W Bush's is also still available in archived form.
However, the fact that those pages weren't replaced on these issues, while the incoming President Trump administration had others ready to go the day the site went live is a profound statement about what is and is not relevant to President Trump. On the LGBT front, witness that Spicer also won't say that the Trump Administration intends to keep the LGBT protection provisions for federal contractors.
masahawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Translating isn't hard and surely with the amount he tweeted he can make a few 140 character paragraphs
QuinZ33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't deleted, they were archived until could make his own version of them.
He's not putting up his own climate change page unless it's to spout anti-scientific nonsense.
Spanish language will probably be added soon
This seems wildly optimistic, but we'll see. How do you define "soon?" A week? It could be translated in a matter of hours, if done carefully (or minutes quickly).
This didn't really happen, it was a normal site changeover that archived Obama's administration's files during the transition. They weren't deleted, they were archived until could make his own version of them.
They were removed, and no replacement was put up. It's up to you to wait and see if replacement pages ever go up in order to pass judgment.
But saying "this didn't really happen" when, at this point, it accurately describes exactly what happened, is completely dishonest.
Tyr_Tyr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:25:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it DID happen.
He removed everything, AND DIDN'T REPLACE anything mentioning civil rights, LGBT rights, climate change, etc. Nor did he put up anything in Spanish.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 19:21:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been one week since you looked at me, threw your arms in the air and said "you're crazy"
-"One Week", Barenaked Ladies
People kept calling me an alarmist. I'm pretty damn alarmed by what we've seen in a week.
merganzer ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 22:13:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' Why not?-Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, 'everyone' is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, 'It's not so bad' or 'You're seeing things' or 'You're an alarmist.'
And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have....
But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked-if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in '43 had come immediately after the 'German Firm' stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in '33. But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying 'Jewish swine,' collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in-your nation, your people-is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way."
-Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945
The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way
This is terrifying. Trump starts out by baiting China. What does that look like in four years? What will he do in order to maintain the perception that he is a strong man leader?
nasrmg ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:33:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought I'd ever live in a scary time historically. How naive I have been.
Overpopulation is a huge problem, that, along with the populist far right "blacklash" and the terrifying effects of climate change make it, (imo), immoral to have kids, but morally imperative to adopt children. For me, the issue is really up in the air, because my father was terrible to me and my brothers, and I'm very similar to him, temperment-wise, so I'm afraid of being a bad father, but at the same time, I occasionally daydream about teaching kids things about my moral system and artistic taste, which (imo) are very important things to teach to children. It's imperative to teach children to be anti-racists, feminists, and, if not full on Marxists, at least an awareness of the evils of the class structures capitalism creates. I additionally think that teaching children the ability to critically examine the art and media they consume is a political project, because it teaches critical thinking skills necessary to interpret political events, and I think there's a ton of value inherent in the project of criticism.
Moxxface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been wanting to read that book for so long, this made me buy it. Thank you.
Claimed in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News that not a single one of the 3-5 million "illegal votes" he alleges were cast in the 2016 election were cast for him. See earlier
Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, which is something Hitler did.
If anyone feels like finding the rest of it I'm game, as I was googling I noticed this list of stupid shit could definitely be longer
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
Can't source it because it's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Also it was done by outgoing Obama staff.
Thank god they froze the EPA. They were getting out of hand.
I'm not going through the whole list, there are some things Trump does that I don't agree with 100% but the majority of what he is doing is good. NAFTA is a joke, the TPP even Reddit was against until Trump did away with it. The left is acting like a bunch of cry babies because their pony didn't show after stealing the primaries from Bernie.
Trump will end up being the best president the US has had in over 100 years. Just wait until he audits the Fed and realizes that we need to mint our own money interest free. Shit is going to get real around here.
I actually didn't source it because it's been pretty obvious. But forgive me for figuring you'd had the internet over the past week this is also easily sought out by GOING TO THE WEBSITE.
NO REALLY GUYS REEE, HE SAID REEE WHAT A GOOD ARGUMENT!!!!!!
How the fuck did they make YOU mod of a sub.
we need to mint our own money interest free.
I'm not sure if you've trolled so hard no one realizes it anymore if you actually think this is how money works...
I'm not going through the whole list
Yeah, just try like the only part I didn't source out of laziness to make a point, and then fail to make that point. I guess that works too.
Lord knows how you believe a man who will not release his own tax returns is going to remove corruption, but man these mental gymnastics are great to watch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if that's the hill you want to die on why not. The website doesn't even claim that this is unusual, and they also show that it was archived, which imo is a good thing.
The fact that you can't read is starting to paint a pretty good picture as far as why /r/conspiracy is such a shithole to begin with.
Why not discuss his policies that harm the middle class or anything else that I've posted? Because this is the only thing on that entire list that you can actually defend, and somehow you're doing it poorly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NAFTA removal would hinder trade with the people we trade with the most... I'm not sure why you'd want it's removal unless you're all for raised prices in the US.
Or you just don't understand what it's for... which really seems to be the case...
Honestly I don't know why you even bother coming out of that subreddit, without an echo chamber you're pretty much useless.
Go back to your hole, no one will miss you, unless you want to get BTFO by reality again then by all means come converse with the rest of reddit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you don't understand how it doesn't work as intended?
You seem eager to appoint yourself as the expert but you're just throwing around talking points. Do you think TPP would have also been good?
My first gilded comment was a similar list sourcing this shit. The problem is it becomes a full time job. My first take had 23 links, within 2 days it was up to 43 with new material. You literally can't keep up with his scandals as a normal person who isn't paid to do it
TehSr0c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who isn't paid to do it
But you just said you got gold! what more do you need!
It's a pity that this isn't on your sub, because I guess you could just delete it then. Are you going to put your fingers in your ears and scream fake news?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fake news! Isn't that a term the MSM came up with?
draztico ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:36:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
7.Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees, exempting only the Department of Homeland Security and the military:
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had press secretary double down on the claim the following day, and now Congress is investigating his baseless claim:
Claimed in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News "I've spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago, with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked them the question, 'Does it work? Does torture work?' And the answer was yes. Absolutely.":
17.Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, something Adolf Hitler did during his persecution of the Jews:
taeem ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:28:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friend started an instagram called todayintrump that lists a bunch of his acts per day much like this comment + the sources at the bottom. I think he started it a few days ago but it's a nice way to keep up to date and all the ridiculous shit he's pulling since there is so much of it.
I hope you continue to keep a running tally like this.
Don't forget private email server, yahoo accounts, unsecured phone, as well as Clinton-esque 'no fly zones' in Syria.
Also, to clarify they prohibited the communication of anything scientific research related by a bunch of the fed. organizations, not an outright ban on all of them from using social media. Essentially all scientific results from a handful of agencies have to be approved before being published now. Granted, this should only last a short time, until they stop receiving funding for research.
White House website is cleared whenever a President is replaced. The whole website. You may want to take those off the list.. it wasn't just those individual/controversial parts... the whole thing is being redone, but it's not a "Trump did it!" type of event.
Federal Hiring Freezes are also common when a President switch occurs. It happens even when Presidents aren't switching, for certain reasons. Also, not a big deal for that one. Another, "May want to take that off the list.." type of item. Not really news...
The Abortion gag order historically has been added and removed based on Dem/Rep for as long as I can find details on it. Not a Trump thing, but more of a party thing.
As for everything else, looks accurate and worthy of mentioning to me....
Well, there goes the price of GMC SUVs! And Ford small cars!
Nessie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:59:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had his press secretary double-down on the claim the following day, and now has Congress investigating his baseless claims.
...While his kids were each double-registered in different voting districts
Please continue to keep track of this list and post it regularly all over the place. We need to hold him accountable for every action. We need his own supporters to understand what he's doing. We need them to see this as much as possible.
You can drop the poor people comment about FHA loans.
Edit, I bought a house using FHA, I'm not poor. It's not just for poor people, it's for first time home buyers, mainly. Not always the poor. I just resent the statement.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Baghdad Sean Spicer claimed in a press briefing that the White House had not issued the EPA gag order.
You should probably add that during the CIA speech he casually stated that we may have another chance at occupying Iraqi oil fields. It's only fair right? We had to spend a lot of money destabilizing that region with nothing in return. Di-sas-ter!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When people say "it's like choosing the lesser of two evils, it doesn't matter which one you pick" I hear "it's like picking between convicted criminals Martha Stewart and Charles Manson, it doesn't matter which one you pick!"
You forgot that he also nominated the former executive director of the anti-immigrant hate group Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), chief of staff at U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the largest federal law enforcement agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
Thank you for this list. It's absolutely beautiful
GdUppp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about making US taxpayers pay for the wall. And then get "reimbursed" by Mexico.
DrCage24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would honestly like to see this list spun from the right wing fox news perspective. Got to keep up with and understand their way of thinking to keep our critical thinking sharp.
lysecret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine this list after a year or four. GL us citizens.
And that was the last time we ever heard from u/cregister. He disappeared shortly after.
sacundim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's recap. Since taking office on Friday afternoon, Trump's has:
[...]
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy.
Nominated a woman who said she wants to eliminate public education to head the Department of Education.
Those two are absolutely true things, but note that they happened before Friday afternoon. Your list is excellent, but the description at the top is wrong.
The nominations aren't official until the president takes office. While he SAID who he would nominate well before taking office, the actual actions don't take place until after he is sworn in.
Please keep this list going and repost it every week with each new atrocity. I want to see this list at the end of four years. Point by point. In detail. In fact, add links to each point so we have the public record.
Konraden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy. A man who also had no idea that the Department of Energy is responsible for the safety and security of our nation's nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants.
Acted like a toddler at his first press conference as President, also at his speech to the CIA, by bringing in people to cheer for him after his speech.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to bash on Hillary for no reason, but she lost to this fucking guy!
If we survive, at least Bernie Sanders will seem a hell of a lot more reasonable. The Overton window just got blown wide open and nothing is off the table of public discourse anymore. And it's only been a week.
Free health care and college is gonna look like vanilla pudding after Trump marches the national guard into Chicago.
If you are trying to fire up your own crowd then this list is spot on. If you want to engage the opposite side and have them look at this list in hopes of changing their minds then you failed. It's only going to piss people off, because you included phrases like "Acted like a toddler". You'd be much better off including things he actually said or stuff he did without peppering in opinions. Also adding sources really adds extra punch to a list like this. I thoroughly enjoyed it either way just offering my two cents.
Eh, the removing pages on the Whitehouse site wasn't really such a big deal, being that everything was removed as part of the transition. All you can get on him for is not having replacement policy pages ready for most things.
chmod777 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:34:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, it was all so sudden. they just grabbed him off the street on jan 20 and told him he was president. there was literally no time to prepare content to post. or find staffing. or divest from his businesses.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda why we're upset. If he can't even replace pages on the White House website who the hell believes he'll replace Obamacare?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:21:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except they were instantly replaced with his own "issues" pages. This isn't about waiting for his transition to catch up - they took the pages down and put up the ones they prepared in advance. This is how they want the site to be.
And you know what, even going by your logic, how is that not a thing to hold against him? Trump had months in advance to get someone, anyone to format his policies for the site. The guy has time to run a completely unproductive victory tour but doesn't have time to actually lay out his plans in a logical, coherent fashion? That's like standing up for a kid who didn't do his homework because he was too busy jacking off.
Our mistake I guess: maybe he does care about those issues and is just lazy and unprepared. Great.
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
This is normal. They removed all former policies of the Obama administration as they begin crafting their own policy.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
See above.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
The new administration claims new Spanish language content is on the way, according to the LA times. It was only day two when this happened.
Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media about anything.
This is provably false. The VA twitter account (@VeteransHealth) just made a twitter post today. The Department of Education, NASA and many others did the same. They're still communicating. The EPA is largely the only one being affected by his social media policies.
Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees.
Not sure how this is alarming. He's conservative; the whole mantra of conservatism is to shrink the government. Do you expect him to build up?
Signed executive actions to push through construction of the deeply unpopular Dakota Access and Keystone oil pipelines.
According to the ICCI, 30% believe there's been enough studying of the pipeline to warrant construction (50% say there needs to be more studying, 20% are unsure). This is far from "deeply unpopular". You are correct that half of people seem to not want it, or are at least skeptical.
The rest I believe you are correct on. Good post.
Ohnana_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:22:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's routine for pages to be replaced. But he's had three months and a small army of webdevs to slap something together. Hell, they could have just word vomited his speech where he loves the L-G-B-Tees and put up the photo from the campaign trail of him holding a flag. 30 seconds of work, but they didn't take the time to do that. Why?
Sure, agreed preparation could've been better. But when people mention he removed them, they're usually saying so as indication his administration is no longer supporting LGBT rights policy wise, when that isn't (yet) to be the case. So the removal, in and of itself, doesn't mean much.
Officially, we don't know what he's going to put up for policy, if anything.
Ohnana_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. We do not know. But the projection isn't looking good.
50against and 30 for is an approval rating of -20, lying been Clinton and Trump in September; then then two least liked candidates of all time. I'd say deeply unpopular isn't a bad fit.
Similar but with different overtones: "Renewal and Reconciliation".
"Day of Patriotic Devotion" sounds like something straight out of North Korea. If someone had asked me which country had such a holiday beforehand, that seriously would've been my first answer.
You realize that the Obama administration was the one who took all the references off the website? The leaving administration always takes down their own stuff to let the new administration put up their website. I don't see what's bad about gag orders on FDA and USDA, considering they should have been under NDA in the first place; there's absolutely no reason someone in a government position should be able to freely talk to the media as they wish. Obama did the same exact thing, proclaiming Jan 20th a holiday. "Acted like a toddler" is an opinion and quite frankly a wrong one, I think you're just predisposed to hate anything Trump says or does. There's no reason not to visit a foreign leader of one of the few other superpowers of our world, especially considering how many people want better relations with Russia and there's no reason not to have good relations with them; after all, we consider Saudi Arabia one of our greatest allies, so please don't try to say "Russia is evil so we shouldn't be allies." Obviously, illegals aren't going to vote for Trump, and there's a very good chance that a large number of them voted. Chicago is a very bad place with way too many deaths; Trump's working with others to find a way to fix inner cities, and in the meantime, I, along with all my friends who live in Chicago, support him sending the Feds 100%, not quite sure who wouldn't support that.
"acting like a toddler" is an opinion backed up by the fact that he continues to push forward this narrative that his penis inauguration crowd was the largest ever.
Overall your entire post reads like someone who wants to enable the president, rather than hold him accountable for his actions.
Gr1ml0ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the acting like a toddler statement. It is an opinion. I copied this list for myself and changed it to read "Verbally abused CNN reporter at his first press conference as President claiming "fake news"."
Fact.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you left out his actions against TTP makes the objectivity of your list rather suspect.
This is a list of outstandingly terrible things. It's not going to include news you like for completeness or "fairness" or whatever. "President kicks puppy" does not need to be followed by the names of dogs he's petted.
Trump is promoting torture, fighting imaginary voter fraud, and openly demonizing immigrants. Is mentioning the TPP supposed to fucking exonerate him of those jawdropping failures?
It could mean a variety of things. Yes, on the most extreme end of those options would be Marshall Law. But Trump did did not "Threaten martial law" as OP stated.
He called Chicago a โwar zoneโ and said โAfghanistan is not like whatโs happening in Chicago.โ He said if they didn't end the "carnage" he would "send in the Feds."
You don't send in actuaries or logistics guys to deal with a "war zone." You send in the military
[deleted] ยท 346 points ยท Posted at 17:49:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever said "Never Again", now's the time to step up.
There's not actually anything out there that stops really bad things happening.
When bad things don't happen to the people we personally know for a long time, we start to think that bad things can't happen to us, that there must be something fundamental about our society or our government or w/e that prevents it. But there isn't, it's just that super bad things happen at semi-random times and places and one could hit us at any point with little warning.
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 22:16:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, trumper. Your grandparents fought a war to kick people like this out of power. They would be ashamed of you. You're an insult to American tradition and our nation's values.
joshj516 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:21:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin a right man. That generation saved the world only to watch their children and grandchildren turn into everything they fought against.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:31:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:44:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you said "Democratic opponent" like we don't know who she is lmao... I'd like to see that statistic specifically for WW2 veterans.
joshj516 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:57:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WW2 veterans?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:34:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:37:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Im sure the people who fought against fascism in Europe would be ashamed of them as Americans.
You all really need to really reevaluate what actual fascism is. Winston Churchill once said the "antifascists" of the future are going to be the actual fascists. Funny how true he was
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I checked anti-fascists weren't massive racists. Churchill on the other hand was.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:07:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repeatedly contact your representatives, pressure constituency organizations you belong to, demonstrate, don't let the people around you say this is fine or normal, etc. Everything we didnt see when people were appeasing Hitler.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because fascists can be pressured by writing letters to your representatives. Ha.
Direct action is the answer, and if people start getting shot for direct action (which is already happening) then defend yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send the CIA. I'm Canadian sucker! :p
Besides, nothing wrong with defending yourself. Or do you fascists believe only you have that right?
Trump supporters have already shot protestors. Its a reasonable assumption that there will be a need to protect yourself.
Edit: HAHA! BANT!
givalina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:54:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Principiis obsta; Finem respice:ย Resist the beginnings; consider the end.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? These are crimes from people who are not supposed to be here. If I overstayed my visa in Mexico, don't you think they'd have the right to kick me out? What if I raped a Latina? They should be able to post my crime and my name on a public list
I'm literally shaking. These are people, you fucking fascist! You can't just publish their crimes online. What's next? Cart us off to the gas chambers? If this isn't evidence Trump is the next Hitler, I don't know what is...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:33:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singling out immigrants as a threat to society is literally the first thing Hitler did to rise to power, you appeasing weakling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't immigrants. My parents are immigrants when they went through the process from India and paid taxes as engineers. These are illegals and shouldn't be here. We are a society and world of law and order.
Exactly. It's just one more step down the slippery slope right into Hitlerville. Thanks Trump. Jeeze, is not having a Nazi president so much to ask for?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigration is literally the oldest American value. It's what makes our country great, and why we stand above the rest of the world. Your comments tell me exactly how little you believe in this country and its values. If you dont like it here, leave.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you aren't immigrating illegally, then leave. Europeans immigrated to native America illegally
I'm right there with you, bud. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, being against immigration is essentially a pre-Nazi philosophy. It's only a matter of time. I'm as tired as the next guy of these Hitler-lite types and their hate facts.
(Okay, in all seriousness, I'm mostly pro-immigration. But I'm more skeptical of third world islamic immigration because of their high rates of radicalism. Hundreds of millions worldwide, according to Pew Research Center. I'm just making fun of you guys because leaping from being anti-illegal immigration to gas chambers is laughable. Do you realize how many politicians over the years have professed skepticism of mass immigration? Tons. Do you know how many turned out to be tyrannical dictators? A few. You may as well point out Trump drinks water.... JUST LIKE HITLER!!!1!!1!!)
He's publishing lists primarily aimed at stirring up hatred and anger against an already demonized group. He uses anecdotes to attack an entire massive group because the evidence would show the people he attacks are nowhere as bad as he thinks. He has claimed to only want them out of the country, but how is that logistically going to work? The Nazis learned removing millions of civilians from a country forcibly doesn't work, so they moved on to killing them. When will Trump advocate the same, and will his followers back away from him even then? It's not about the skepticism of mass immigration, it's about what he plans to do to the people already here.
removing millions of civilians from a country forcibly doesn't work... When will Trump advocate [killing them instead]?
Obama deported millions. Look it up. We know it can be done.
You know the rednecks Jon Stewart used to show freaking out over a war on Christmas? You guys pushing this "Trump is a Nazi" shit are even crazier. Your media bubbles and partisanship have worked you into a hysteria, and you cannot think clearly.
...and just so everyone sees the danger here, the Nazis didn't go from zero to Holocaust overnight. They waged a steady campaign of dehumanization against the people they genocided until the natural human inclination to view people as people with a right not to be genocided had been overcome, such that the public wouldn't be outraged to the point of revolt by the Holocaust program.
And the thing about that is, even if Trump's ultimate goal isn't a Holocaust (or, if he's unsuccessful), this is going to have knock on effects in the way both immigrants and people who seem like immigrants but actually aren't are treated.
Basically this is extremely reckless, and if he goes through with it we have good enough reason to lay responsibility for hate crimes against immigrants squarely at his feet for a very long time.
cregister ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 19:34:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Trump has already set race relations in this country back 50 years. The way he pits groups of people against each other for his own personal and political gain makes him the closest thing to a literal demon that has ever been President.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 21:20:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone made a website of crimes committed every day by white people, I wonder how much I'd have to scroll down to get to the end of day one? Probably couldn't keep up.
Sometime ago, a FB friend posted an article saying something like 1/5 people in jail were illegal immigrants. Guy failed to realize that that meant 4/5 were not, therefore Americans. Most of the criminals in our country are American, but they'd rather point at the foreign ones. This isn't about preventing crime, it's about racism and any one with a head on their shoulders knows it.
acox1701 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometime ago, a FB friend posted an article saying something like 1/5 people in jail were illegal immigrants. Guy failed to realize that that meant 4/5 were not, therefore Americans. Most of the criminals in our country are American, but they'd rather point at the foreign ones.
You're gonna want to come up with a way better argument than this. If 1/5 of criminals are illegal immigrants, and illegal immigrants commit crimes at the same rate at American Citizens and legal immigrants, that suggests that 1/5 of the people in America are illegal immigrants.
If, on the other hand, only 1/10 the people in America are illegal immigrants, then the 1/5 statistic suggests that illegal immigrants commit crimes at twice the rate of citizens and residents. If the actual population is only 1/20, the the rate of crimes is 4x. (this assumes a fair judicial system, all crimes prosecuted equally, etc)
If you're gonna combat racism, you've got to do better than that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't using an actual statistic. What I remember is not the actual number, and I don't even remember if his source was legit. The point of my comment was to say how some people (like my friend) like to point out how we have crimes committed by "illegals" that shouldn't even be here, when they ignore the amount of crimes that shouldn't have been done by Americans in the first place.
Essentially, I think certain people decide to label and peg undocumented immigrants as criminals so they can justify their reasoning as "I just want to keep my country safe" instead of saying "I don't like foreigners in my country." If their interest really was in keeping our country safe, there are many more issues they could tackle that would benefit Americans, like creating healthcare reforms that benefit Americans or doing more with traffic laws (since over a million Americans die each year from car collisions).
The point still stands that any stat like this has to be compared to the base population rates.
acox1701 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of my comment was to say how some people (like my friend) like to point out how we have crimes committed by "illegals" that shouldn't even be here, when they ignore the amount of crimes that shouldn't have been done by Americans in the first place.
I understand that. And what I'm saying is that you need to look more carefully at the statistics before you reject them. If, for the sake of argument, we could show that illegal immigrants committed crimes at 10x the rate of legal immigrants and citizens, then the argument to remove them is much stronger, and simply brushing it aside makes you, and your side look foolish.
Essentially, I think certain people decide to label and peg undocumented immigrants as criminals so they can justify their reasoning as "I just want to keep my country safe" instead of saying "I don't like foreigners in my country."
This is absolutely true. But when they come up with an actual argument, you have to meet it with an actual argument.
Sometime ago, a FB friend posted an article saying something like 1/5 people in jail were illegal immigrants. Guy failed to realize that that meant 4/5 were not, therefore Americans.
You missed the whole point. First of all 20% of all people in America aren't illegal immigrants so they are vastly over represented in prisons. Secondly if you had 0 illegal immigrants in America, you would have 20% less people in jail.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you had 0 crimes committed by Americans, you would have 80% less people in jail.
The race relations seemed quite bad even before Trump, with the whole BLM thing going on etc.. That seems to be Obamas failure.
tomdarch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At its core, we are being honest about the very real discrimination that people face and trying to improve it, and that's going to be tough. But somehow addressing the reality is a bad thing? "Obama's failure" because serious shit isn't being swept under the rug?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sub would never blame a democrat for anything
Mirazozo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:43:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is in office for 3 days and he personally set back race relations 50 years.
And it couldn't have anything to do with his predecessors?
I seem to remember Obama having a fondness for saying he inherited problems, yet race relations is SOLELY Trump's fault.
More so than that, Nazis just wanted the Jews out of all German occupied land (into very inhospitable places). Between the impossibilities of moving so many people and the radicalizing ambition of high ranking SS officers, they decided to start killing them instead.
Edit: If you want a good resource on how someone who just wanted a new career in uniform can become "the architect of the Holocaust" and how deportation can evolve into genocide, I suggest you read Hitler's Hangman: The Life of Heydrich by Robert Gerwarth.
That's true. The original plan Hitler had was to mass deport the Jews. Turned out deporting millions of people from their home is not as easy as it looks.
Ironically, Syria accepted many of those jewish refugees
domrepp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:42:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry; soon we'll open a few hundred private prisons to take care of that. Maybe some hard work will teach those nonchristianheathen terrorist refugees some good old fashioned American values.
It's my vague understanding that Hitler was always going to exterminate the Jews - shipping them to less-populated/civilized areas of Eastern Europe was a way to keep [that which was happening to the Jews] away from the sensitive eyes of (most of) the German public.
Remove the Jews from positions of governmental and cultural power (purging the Gov't) -> remove the Jews from places of mercantile power (Kristalnacht) -> remove the Jews from every day social life (ghettos) -> remove the Jews from Germany proper (concentration camps) -> remove the Jews from Europa by working them for as long as their bodies would last, then discard their empty, shriveled shells.
Europe, and indeed the world, was always to have been for the strong. Even if some of the Jews could've survived concentration/labor camps out in the forests and the boonies of Poland and Czechoslovakia, once the master race's population increased, they would need more Lebensraum eventually.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my fear has never been for the illegal immigrants, though honestly I am concerned for them, but all the same, more horrifying is the effect on brown people of all kinds. I have a friend whose half japanese and half spanish. She was at starbucks when she (for the first time of 4 times so far) was told that they're building a wall and she should go back to mexico where she belongs.
If Trump does try to deport all the Illegal Immigrants, the first thing that would happen is people who look foreign having to carry papers with them. At which point we might just come up with some kind of symbol to help make things easier and "protect them" at which point we're basically in nazi Germany before the purge.
I get the idea of having a stronger stance on immigration, I don't get how anyone could condone this horrifying rhetoric. Although this move by Trump takes it beyond rhetoric.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:11:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure currently (and before Trump), citizens that looked foreign have mistakenly been deported. It's a thing. I'll see if I can find the report.
Don't assign to evil scheming what can be explained by sheer stupidity. Trump is no angry WWI soldier who saw his country humiliated. Trump is no manaical despot. He is basing his actions on the lack of oversight by previous administrations over illegal aliens taking the jobs from Americans that don't want them. In fact, illegal aliens should all be accepted because they provide a needed labour pool. He is alienating people and showing the mess that has been created by the politics of division and wealth and corporatism."
We're already further along than we realize. Black Lives Matter was met with "Actually,". Today, Trump Supporters call it a terrorist organization. They're already peddling in 'alternative facts' about violence rates and crime with their eyes trained to liberal cities and voting rights.
Already, people -- even otherwise fairly normal or non-extremist sorts -- tend to view 'breaking the law' as something that makes a person no longer a person. Trump Supporters, being extremists, barely even wait for that distinction. Potential to break a law is 'enough' for them to de-person someone. (well, someone with dark skin anyway)
Of course we're still a ways from the worst-case scenarios. But that those scenarios are even within conversation at this point...
3226 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
such that the public wouldn't be outraged to the point of revolt by the Holocaust program.
People aren't so easily manipulated to ignore Genocide. The German propoganda machine made sure people didn't hear about it. They made up alternative facts about the jobs they had given to the 'resettled' jews, and the wonderful conditions they were living in. They also reminded people to ignore the fake news of the Allies, using their propoganda to remind people that they couldn't rely on that as a source of information.
It didn't matter for ages anyway, as even the Allies didn't believe the concentration camps could possibly exist. It was utterly inconcievable at the time, so even when evidence came to light, at first, it was ignored.
If you look at the comments and views (in general, not necessarily only r.e. immigration) on The Donald it's not difficult to see how the situation could escalate in to a publicly supported worldwide catastrophe. It's terrifying frankly.
It is not automatic or entirely straightforward (and I am not even sure that she would want to give up her own citizenship, as that would mean visiting her own family would be a lot harder). We live outside of the US, so she has been visiting there on temporary visas so far. I have recently been looking at the possibility of getting her a green card so that she can come and go as necessary. The recent policies are all hinting on making any form of immigration and visitation more difficult.
Right but Jews weren't actively violating laws by being present in Germany. Illegal aliens (whom you seem to be relating to Jews) are in violation of the law. Trump merely wants the law enforced.
How does enforcement of the law require Trump to publish information about immigrant criminals? If Trump wants to "enforce the law," fine; but the law does not require him to do this.
When you have entire cities violation law and harboring criminals, I suppose you have to resort to other strategies. Public shaming could be effective in swaying public opinion to make those cities enforce the law. If they have an issue with it, they can just start enforcing the law.
So are you saying publishing a weekly report about the criminality of a class of persons you're trying to persecute is just like "drinking out of cups?" Did the Nazis drink out of cups in order to dehumanize their victims so perpetrating genocide against them would meet with less public resistance than otherwise?
Also, I'm glad the DOW is doing well, but remember, a) Trump hasn't actually done anything yet so it's hard to attribute that to him, and b) even if we do attribute that to him, keep in mind Hitler got Germany's economy humming too...so like, we shouldn't let the good stuff distract us from the really, really scary shit that's going on.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you had read my post, you would have understood that it doesn't matter if he actually intends to genocide immigrants (note: the definition of genocide includes forced relocation). As well, my view is that if you're doing Nazi shit, you don't get any positive coverage until your Nazi shit stops. The stakes are just too damn high. After all, nobody says "Yeah Hitler was a genocidal monster, but to be fair he DID get Germany's economy going again, so maybe he's not so bad..."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does enforcement of the law require Trump to publish information about immigrant criminals? If Trump wants to "enforce the law," fine; but the law does not require him to do this.
It doesn't, like I said I don't really agree with what he's doing. I figure he's trying to break people's thoughts that illegal immigrants are always peaceful people to drum up more support for a reinforced border.
Right, he's trying to dehumanize them to the public just like the Nazis did. He's not going to be talking about how most undocumented immigrants are law abiding and hard working. He's going to present a cherry-picked sample of stories to distort the truth; in other words, he's going to do what he always does and lie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Factual accuracy of everything you just said aside, what are you going to do if you are wrong and this actually snowballs into further human rights violations? Like, if they decided that deporting was too much trouble, would you be okay if they killed these people, used them as slaves, or just detained them indefinitely without trial? What about US citizens that get targeted for deportation by mistake, just because of their appearance?
Maintaining sanctuary cities is an issue of public safety, because if undocumented people can't contact the police, that also means they can't contact emergency services unless they want to risk being deported. This means they can't report crimes against themselves or citizens. It can prevent them from reporting fires, etc.
Cherrypicking stories to distort the truth? You mean the entire media? I wonder if you don't see it because you're a liberal.
This is a whataboutism straight out of the GRU handbook. Even if "liberals" or whatever are doing it, that doesn't mean it's OK for Trump to do it as well. I mean, if "liberals" are so terrible, then Trump shouldn't be following their lead, right?
And serious question, do you actually live around any illegals?
Probably, I live in a major midwest city with its own "Little Mexico," and my neighborhood is right next to it.
I know about 20 illegals. All of them are criminals by default, because they're not here legally.
Undocumented immigration is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. So no, they are not criminals by default. This is like, a basic "you must know this much to have a fruitful discussion about the issue" fact about the immigration issue.
And because I'm not really into unfruitful discussions, I'll end things here. You can have the last word if you want.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:41:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get organized, get over petty differences with people you mainly agree with. Agitate, educate, resist.
VStarffin ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 18:57:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, I continue to think that one of the most important people in the country right now has to be Jerry Brown.
CA is massive. It's a monster, the cornerstone of this country's economy and culture. And we are unabashedly liberal. If there's to be a resistance to this kind of fascistic nonsense, it needs to happen here. And it needs to be official. And Jerry Brown has the personality to do it.
I don't yet know what that means. I don't know what he can do. But I feel like he needs to do something.
If he could just implement a "in CA we don't pay federal income taxes, because states rights, like all you GOP say you want" it could get really interesting.
Statewide campaign to adjust your federal withholding to 0/exempt perhaps?
Nope, because that would put it on the individual, who could be punished. Take the full brunt at the state level, just say "employers in our state are only allowed to take out state taxes" and fight that fight at a higher level.
States rights is of concern to whomever doesn't hold power in Washington, or so it seems.
sacundim ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:50:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals don't profess a hard-on for states rights' like conservatives do. They prize individual rights, and see the federal vs. state rights question as a means to pursue them.
States depend on each other. If California didn't want to participate I'm sure the government could dry up California by closing the irrigation ditches from the Colorado river. Quit with your stupid fantasy because that's exactly what it is, stupid.
Oh, I'm sure the Trump Admin has him high on their list of enemies. I really hope Gov Brown is prepared and that other like minded states are ready to slug it out. Violence or not, this is Civil War II.
I agree, I'm from Washington and I can GUARANTEE that we will stick by our Californian brothers and sisters.
Oregon should be able to put up a fantastic resistance as well.
The West Coast is not going to stay silent about this shit, I know we like to give Californians crap but we love you guys.
Our states have to stick together.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:45:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the executive order calling for the list of immigrants committing crimes specifically targets sanctuary cities, saying they'll withhold federal funds from cities/states that fail to report/deport.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. CA doesn't need the feds money. Jerry Brown is acting like a true boss right now. I'm glad we have him.
Oregonian here. While we usually vote blue (due to Eugene / Portland) everything else is crazy gun nutsville. Population wise we have more progressives than GOPers and id happily join, the people in southern oregon and eastern would most certainly not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow lefty here - buy guns and learn about them - the fascists will have them if they decide to come.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we don't want to be under his power? If he sends troops to initiate massive deportations, will we comply? If we rebel against the federal government, you can call it whatever you like, I like the clearer message of secession.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. I'm big on 2A, but they're not that onerous. You'll have a harder time paying the rent than keeping a gun.
atc_guy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NorCal would like to talk to you about being "unabashedly liberal" I just moved here and there were far more trump signs than Clinton. Not to mention the whole "Jefferson state" thing.
Mulsanne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Central valley doesn't count
ademnus ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 19:05:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary was also an authoritarian who would have just kept increasing power, but with the approval of liberals. Eventually someone liberals didn't like would take power and it would only end up worse.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:56:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is not the job of local law enforcement to round up undocumented immigrants. Furthermore, it hurts law enforcements ability to police effectively when, in cities with many undocumentef immigrants, it is important for those people to not be afraid of the police and act in assistance with the police when a real crime is committed and witnessed. If an undocumented but otherwise law abiding immigrant witnesses a murder, how likely do you think it will be for him or her to report that murder to the police?
Looks like there is some pretty broad latitude baked in...
From Section 5 on reasons for removal:
"(g) In the judgment of an immigration officer, otherwise pose a risk to public safety or national security. "
ademnus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:30:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the judgement of some alt right zealot who can't wait to join up as Trump scrapes the bottom of the barrel to triple the staff.
Yup. You can count on those 5,000 new ICE officers being Trump's version of the SS, only instead of rounding up Jews, they'll be rounding up undocumented immigrants.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:58:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only instead of rounding up Jews
What do you think they'll do when they've run out of immigrants and Muslims?
To be clear, that applies to "removable aliens who... (g) In the judgment of an immigration officer, otherwise pose a risk to public safety or national security." So it doesn't make an immigrant removable based on that judgement.
MWL987 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:52:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To protect our communities and better facilitate the identification, detention, and removal of criminal aliens within constitutional and statutory parameters, the Secretary shall consolidate and revise any applicable forms to more effectively communicate with recipient law enforcement agencies.
What exactly does "identification" entail, and how is it possible to identify someone as an illegal alien without violating the Fourth Amendment?
Does this sound familiar: "Ihre papiere, bitte." Translation: "Your papers, please." A phrase used during Nazi Germany...
Some group better challenge this executive order in court so that it undergoes judicial review. Also, I'm expecting a filibuster of all of Trump's SCOTUS picks. An executive order establishing internment camps is next if the Dumpster doesn't get removed asap.
ademnus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:19:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Identification means domestic spying and cataloging and mass arrests. Expect detention camps as part of the border wall thing. He's already been replacing people who might object.
Right.... saved..... fucking idiots i swear. PP is incredibly useful for both women and men -- when i was broke and feared that I had an STI i was able to get free care and testing. Incredible program, and it probably saved me/the government a whole lot of money by me utilizing PP instead of an emergency room or something
PP save money by giving education and services, leading to prevention of STIs and unplanned pregnancies.
You don't see the savings in the prevention of an abortion? Or the treatment of an STI? or the cost on the state for a child raised on welfare? The initial cost of education and equipment far outweighs the cost of the consequences in taking those services away.
Sec. 14. Privacy Act. Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information
How's that going to work?Aren't all people within the US protected under the constitution?
So what does this part mean in reality: (c) Ensure that jurisdictions that fail to comply with applicable Federal law do not receive Federal funds, except as mandated by law;
I looked up a list of Sanctuary Cities here, what effect will this have on them and how are they being classified? One is DC lol?
Well, that was horrifying. I can't even process this in all honesty...it's making me feel so helpless right now, and I'm not even an immigrant. I can't even imagine how people who are must be feeling right now.
They generally pay higher taxes actually, because a job will usually automatically take taxes out and they dont claim tax returns out of fear
bikebum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I do think the narrative is incorrect about the immigrants being so terrible, but I don't get what's wrong with deporting illegal immigrants.
I have a friend who came here legally. They said it was a big pain in the ass with all the papers, and if they get a DUI or some other things they can be deported and banned for 10 years! Given that context I don't really understand what's so bad about deporting people who snuck in.
cregister ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 17:59:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... uh... are we still really waiting until April 15 for the next mass demonstration?
Right?? That's exactly what I thought when I read this. Everything that's happened since the inauguration has been abysmal, but this is too much for me.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:22:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, we should be marching in March at the latest. We're thinking early march for the March for Science but still nothing set in stone
sluttttt ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 19:07:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the start of this whole shebang, I thought that comparing Trump to Hitler and/or the Holocaust was a bit extreme. I don't feel that way anymore. How are people not getting scared by this (people=the people who are saying to "just give him a chance!").
datssyck ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:11:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because thats what they want
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bit unfair no? I always thought that the American people despised the establishment so much they would take anything over it. It's a funny meme now but seriously, Bernie would have won.
14 characteristics of fascism according to a nobody. He's not a scholar, has no peer-reviewed work whatsoever, and is a political partisan. Why should anyone care what his definition of fascism is over anyone else's?
Passmore, published by Oxford University Press (2002), gives the same definition as Eatwell and Laclau:
exalting the nation (defined in historical, bioligical, religious, or cultural terms) above all other forms of loyalty, with the state apparatus being supreme.
is reactionary in its opposition of competing systems (socialism, liberalism, feminism, etc.) due to their focus on aspects other than the welfare of the nation itself.
is organized in a mass, militarized party headed by a ruling radical elite and/or a single leader acting in the name of the people.
engaging in syndicalist corporatism.
implementing totalitarian systems.
Trump's administraion meets at most two of these requirements (numbers 1 and 2; and 1 is very doubtful because his policies have some libertarian/free market principles which undermine the idea that the state apparatus is supreme). The Republican party is not a mass party, and it is not militarized at all. He has no syndicalism. And he has virtually no totalitarian systems.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:38:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doctor of what? Where did he get his doctoral degree from? The guy is a non-entity. There is no dissertation or thesis or research published by this person. Anyone is allowed to claim they are a Doctor, I guess. But the more important question is, who has sanctioned this claim? No accredited institution in this Lawrence Britt's case.
Tyr_Tyr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exalting the nation is a YES.
Reactionary in opposition to competing systems is a YES. Did you see how he reacted to the Women's March? How he talks about other leaders who are not dictators?
Single leader is a YES. "I am the only one who can fix it" sound familiar? More executive orders in a week than Obama signed in the first six months?
Syndicalist Corporatism is a YES.
Totalitarian systems is a NO. We're not there yet. But we're sure moving in that direction at a rapid clip.
To be fair, 13 applies to both parties and 14 (rigging elections) applies more to Hillary for fucking over Bernie than it would to trump
On 4) (Supremacy of the military), it's applied to both parties for a while now. Rs are more guilty of it for sure, but it's not like Bill C, Obama, or Hillary were/would have been anti military either
On 2) (violation of human rights), Obama and Hillary have also been pretty sketchy here, not just Trump. Torture, Guantanamo, the NSA spy programs... all supported/tolerated/expanded by them. Hitler also did some things liberals today agree with, like socialize healthcare, enact gun control, enact pro-choice laws, and spend a lot on the federal level to get the economy going. But it's not genuine to compare these to Bernie's platform and conclude that Sanders is Hitler
Most of this list does apply to Trump, I jsut wanted to point these out since you said "Trump's America meets every one of those characteristics.". His competitors also meet a few, if we're to be honest
Tyr_Tyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton didn't rig the fucking elections. Would you please stop with that damn stupid meme. She got millions more votes. And no, the DNC doesn't run primaries. Stop.
Supremacy of the military doesn't mean that you're pro-military in a generic sense, but that you believe the military approach to international interaction is the correct one.
Agreed that both sides violate human rights, but again we're talking about a dude who wants to bring back torture and calls people who argue against it idiots.
phd2k1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right?! This team of white supremacists and their ultra rich puppet masters are using the exact same playbook as the Nazis and other dictatorships. They aren't even trying to hide it.
Discredit and censor the news.
Single out minority groups and use them as a scapegoat for economic woes.
Threaten and squash any reasonable political opposition from states and major cities.
Change the laws to tighten their grip on power.
This exact playbook has worked in many places before, and it could happen here if Democrats and Republicans don't come together to defeat these Fascists. It's time to step up.
YES he is Hitler and the Holocaust is coming! Join the protests and make sure you get on as many tv channels as possible while chanting these insane lines so Republicans sweep midterms easily.
Taliel ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:30:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also manufactured a crisis to justify getting emergency powers, entrenching him and nazi party in total command. The way Trump is unprepared to fill so many government positions yet putting the blame on Democrats looks like it may be setting up such a crisis. Watch for "congress is broken, give the president more power to fix it."
If you mean the Reichtagsbrand with the crisis, thats disputable.
Historians are not sure who set the Reichstag on fire. The guy they arrested (iirc some one from Holland with impaired sight) confessed, but there are doubts about this up to this day. But its true that Hitler used the fire to suspend the basic rights of the Weimar constitution. It was one of the main steps to establish the Nazi dictatorship.
venomae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also some major terrorist attack or shitty little military coup thats gonna get slaughtered ala Erdogans funk show - combined with "slow and ineffective congress"..
Taliel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, it is too! Sad.
cmal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the life of me I don't understand why congress isn't using this as an opportunity to reign in presidential powers. Is McConnell just incompetent or what?
cumdong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Playing it by ear.
mygawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't there need to be an amendment to the constitution to give the president more powers?
kyonu ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 16:33:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Trump hit all of these? A brief glance over the list looks like Trump represents every single one, but does anyone have a comparison of some things he's done or said that line up with each characteristic?
hmm yea going over it i guess Bush does make quite a few, but some are up for interpretation. He cut funding for the arts, but it's about a disdain for the arts. Obama definitely hits less of them than Bush though. He didn't intertwine religion and government, for one example.
I've only seen the 14/14 for Obama once. As an example for the kind of bullshit they put on their list, their example of Obama being misogynist was saying that black people are abusive towards their wives as a whole. Obama is nowhere in the same realm as Trump, and while Bush is definitely a war criminal and deserves to be sent to the ICC for ordering the torture of enemy combatants, he was nowhere as open to committing war crimes against his own people as Trump has hinted at (calling for putting Americans in Gitmo, open opposition to due process for suspected terrorists, and many more).
kyonu ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 18:47:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a list a reddit user created. It shows him representing all 14 in just the first 5 days of his presidency:
Obama failed to have any meaningful responses to human rights abusers abroad, and even regularly collaborated with them. He's done everything to warm up the likes of Iran and Cuba, and welcomed donations from the Middle East. Not to mention Obama continued the National Defense Authorization Act, which allowed him to continue to arbitrarily detain and torture anybody.
3) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Obama has continually blamed racism and whites for his shortcomings. After Obama won in 2008 and 2012, anybody who stood in the way of his agenda did so "because he is black." The reality is that racism is a boogeyman, and few people would dislike somebody because of their skin color before their policies.
"I think there is a reason why attitudes about my presidency among whites in northern states are very different from whites in southern states," Obama said.
"So are there folks . . . whose primary concern about me has been that I seem foreign, the other? Are those that champion the birther movement feeding off of bias? Absolutely."
4) Supremacy of the Military
This is absolutely the case with Obama. I don't even feel the need to defend this.
kyonu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:29:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama failed to have any meaningful responses to human rights abusers abroad, and even regularly collaborated with them.
Abroad? He isn't the leader of foreign nations you know. He's done a great deal for the equality of America, the country he was leading.
National Defense Authorization Act
Isn't this just a budget directive?
Obama has continually blamed racism and whites for his shortcomings. After Obama won in 2008 and 2012, anybody who stood in the way of his agenda did so "because he is black."
If you didn't know, right-wingers made a pretty good case to back this up. Bernie even recognized it during his primary. No other president has been accused of not coming from America other than Obama. He is black, so Trump said "he came from africa" like most racists do. How is that not proof of Obama's "because he is black" "agenda" (whatever agenda that is)?
Not to mention thanks to republican Gerrymandering, black people cannot vote in nearly the same capacity as white people in some southern states--so ask yourself, is it Obama creating a "black agenda" or the Republicans defying him because he's black?
Racism is not a boogeyman. there are clear cut examples constantly. Voter participation being one of them.
This is absolutely the case with Obama. I don't even feel the need to defend this.
I apologize, I typo'd. I meant 5. I do agree he has had way too much "supremacy" with military.
But he is not a rampant sexist as number 5 suggests.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:01:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well... considering the definition of fascism is: "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization", this is why im not surprised.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Quick quiz: What's Dr. Lawrence Britt a doctor of?
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Answer: Literally nothing. He's a retired Xerox finance executive. And the website you linked to, http://www.rense.com/, is a ridiculous "fake news" conspiracy site.
kyonu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at the definition and results of Fascism. Rense.com maybe a fake news site, but the content of this article is absolutely correct.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at the definition and results of Fascism.
Rense.com maybe a fake news site, but the content of this article is absolutely correct.
"On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage
kyonu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:11:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would help if you picked an article that wasn't almost a year old.
If you actually read it, which I know you didn't since you posted 7 minutes after me and it's a LONG article--you would find Trump now embodies almost the entire thing.
He is definitely a populist ultra-nationalist, definitely does not care for democracy (as per his whining when he lost), he is definitely "obsessively preoccupied with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."
You should read the whole thing. Today, not in May 2016, it is a good indication of his fascist nature, not the opposite.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would help if you picked an article that wasn't almost a year old.
Your conspiracy site article was written in 2004.
If you actually read it, which I know you didn't since you posted 7 minutes after me and it's a LONG article
What a petty complaint. I read it when it was published. You're grasping at straws.
it is a good indication of his fascist nature, not the opposite.
Yeah, I remember all those pro-Trump mobs committing "redemptive violence" with the "goals of internal cleansing" /s
Oh wait....That isn't happening. You should stop frequenting conspiracy sites lol.
kyonu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your conspiracy site article was written in 2004.
Fascism has been around since the early 1900's. My comment was about Trump changing his views within the last year. Context clues.
What a petty complaint. I read it when it was published. You're grasping at straws.
Yeah, I remember all those pro-Trump mobs committing "redemptive violence" with the "goals of internal cleansing" /s
lol what
He just put in a hiring freeze, fired a ton of people, and is trying to "cleanse" America of minorities, either through deposition or killing their ability to vote. How blind are you?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently you didn't otherwise you'd known Trump has changed in the last year and is obviously acting as if a Fascist leader.
Did you just cite a reddit comment as a source? Lol, I don't think you understand how sources work.
He just put in a hiring freeze, fired a ton of people
A hiring freeze is a "redemptive violence" now? What did you mean when you referred to Trump using "redemptive violence" to pursue "internal cleansing"?
and is trying to "cleanse" America of minorities
You're completely insane if you honestly believe this. Spend less time on conspiracy sites. Trump isn't purging America of minorities.
kyonu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just cite a reddit comment as a source? Lol, I don't think you understand how sources work.
What? That doesn't make any sense.
A hiring freeze is a "redemptive violence" now? What did you mean when you referred to Trump using "redemptive violence" to pursue "internal cleansing"?
Goals of internal cleansing, obviously. This is getting out of hand.
You're completely insane if you honestly believe this. Spend less time on conspiracy sites. Trump isn't purging America of minorities.
Policy and propaganda are perfectly good reasons to believe this. But since you are apparently not going to give me decent discourse and will simple personally attack, I am done with you.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:35:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did you mean when you referred to Trump using "redemptive violence" to pursue "internal cleansing"?
Goals of internal cleansing, obviously. This is getting out of hand.
What? What "redemptive violence" are you talking about? Just give me a straight answer!
"He's simply a racist who wants to keep the current system but deny it's benefits to the groups he's interested in oppressing." - phew, not fascist though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Words matter. Redefining language for political convenience is exactly what Orwell warned about.
All republicans aren't racist, but if you are racist and you're looking for a political party....
49erlew ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:25:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...please stay far, far away.
I already feel politically homeless as it is. Let's not make the problem worse.
[deleted] ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 20:06:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mate, a white supremacist is whispering in the Republican President's ear, telling him he needs to identify ethnic minorities for public condemnation. Your elected Congress isn't going to stop this. There's no more Republican party for people like you.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 20:42:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when has the right been concerned with Europeans or Canadians overstaying visas?
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:08:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It never references undocumented workers. This is anyone with immigrant status. And if you think this report will be singling out white people, you havent been paying attention.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 22:10:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:08:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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acox1701 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:18:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but the police aren't gonna start asking anyone from my group of friends for their papers, either. A few brown guys sitting around, though, they might get some questions.
I feel your discomfort, though. There are a lot of things that the GOP is against that I am also against, but the way they go about trying to fix the problem is totally unacceptable.
Animal31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which would be easier to believe if the white people didnt get a free pass
If you change illegal aliens to a racial group, you can call people's immigration views racist. Just like if you consider Muslims a race. Silly how we can tear Christianity to shreds for the outdated views but pointing out the Quran's call to kill gays and oppress women is somehow racist. Any ideology must be open to criticism
I'm completely with you. That's why I mentioned criticising Islam instead of Muslims. I have muslim friends and secular Islam fits into our society. It's wahhabism and it's spread that's the concern
I'm very open to that. I actively seek criticism. In fact, I upvoted people disagreeing with me, including you. Healthy debate is important when we disagree. It's much better than the isual echo chamber of /r/politics
The Republicans had 17 candidates to choose from and they went with the man who literally began his campaign with a speech where he called Mexican immigrants "rapists and criminals". The GOP has gone off the deep end and there isn't a place in it for moderates anymore.
You can either leave the party, fight back and reclaim it from them, or go down as an enabler.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton actively pushed Trump to the top, can't blame republicans for that.
ericmm76 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:21:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Democrats. I'm sorry, it just is.
The Democratic party is the party of governance by, of, and for the people. The Republicans are the party of extract value and avoid culpability. Ah a bunch of isms.
I can't see how I'm wrong. The Republicans have been acting like all government is bullshit for forty years. But America needs a government. The free market doesn't do what America does.
phd2k1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the ludicrous border wall, tax cuts for the super rich, and starting an isolationist trade war, at this point the Dems are far more fiscally conservative than this administration. The Republican party of today looks nothing like the party of Reagan. Fascists have stolen it. You don't need to become a Dem permanently, but you can join with them in the meantime to help defeat these Fascists.
Literally every other political party will happily accept you. Don't get bogged down in identity and label, just ask yourself what you truly believe and who best represents it.
tomdarch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get active and involved. Take back your party. From by political stance, I could snarkily say "Yay! The Republican party is gutting itself! Woohoo!" But as an American first and foremost, the Republican party in its current state is horrible for our nation and the world. A sane, moderate, reality-linked Republican party would be politically much stronger in the long-run, so moving back to that is bad for the Democrats/progressives I want running things. But for America and our future? Please get involved and work to bring back a sane, moderately conservative party that can contribute to governing our nation, not spouting racism and lies.
supporting the party that has time and time again shown to not be defiant in the face of racism makes you accsessory to the crime. Every GOP voters deserves to be ridiculed and shamed for what they have done. The path Trump is taking has been outlined for months now.
The people who hate blacks go with Reps and the people who hate whites go for Dems.
Do you have a point? Because this means nothing in isolation and has near-zero relevance to the article.
I'm not fully clued up on the Green party, but for arguments sake let's just say they are even more anti-racist than the Democrats. If the Republican party didn't exist, wouldn't that make the Democrats the party most attractive to racists (all else being equal)?
EDIT: for the hypothetical lets ignore the other, smaller parties.
He's doing it so dumbfuck Republicans will blow their collective loads again in the name of MAGA. They continue to support everything he does and their only response is still "lol librul tears".
[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 19:44:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:41:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I'm against it because it turns doctors into agents of the state which leads to less people seeking help. Same problem with mandated reporting.
mygawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So essentially they are against banning guns from the mentally ill, but don't want to own up to it so they blame liberals instead?
Yeah, but everyone gets compared Hitler. Trump, Bush, Clinton, Kanye, the Pope, Mister Rogers. I mean I've been comparing Obama to Hitler for 8 years so obviously Trump can't be Hitler now. /s
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Quick quiz: What's Dr. Lawrence Britt a doctor of?
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Answer: Literally nothing. He's a retired Xerox finance executive. And the website you linked to, http://www.rense.com/, is a ridiculous "fake news" conspiracy site.
[deleted] ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 19:27:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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venomae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
venomae ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you cant just kill milions of people straight away. Theres certain premeditation and careful preparations that have to be done so the whole gargantuan task is actually feasable. I mean, just getting the logistics in place to get all the ... customers ... in and out properly and on time is quite a task. And they dont have anyone whos experienced with government project of this size so they have to go just by historical books which they didnt burn in the meantime.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just give those preexisting conditions four years to work their magic and then we can reevaluate.
But remember guys, comparing Trump's behavior and policy to other dictators because he consistently behaves and proposes policy in a way reminiscent of those dictators is why people voted for Trump.
But unlike other dictators, I don't even have faith that Trump will get the trains to run on time.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:48:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're comparing a lifetime of crime from historical dictators to the first five days of Trump's administration. You're looking at the wrong part of the story. Read up on how they got started, and get worried.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:25:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:31:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should be condemning him for the things he's already done, and appreciating how they resemble the methods other authoritarians have used to seize power.
Eh, that's kind of a technicality. Canadian Prime Ministers are also technically "appointed", but their parties are the ones who are elected into power. Most people would say that Justin Trudeau and Stephen Harper were elected.
raviary ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:05:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many more instances like this do we need before trump supporters will allow the Hitler comparisons without throwing tantrums about it?
Well I wouldn't call it a tantrum. I'd say it's more of a rolling of the eyes. I mean I do the same. You guys just sound like little children when you do.
Kantina ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:13:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazi's First. Then America.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bathroom law bullshit makes total sense to me now. They just wanted to ensure that the person blowing them on the other end of the stall is an actual guy, not a girl that is transitioning.
rc_bhg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like it to be actual crimes though please. Too much of the "going to be a crime if blah" gets posted on reddit.
Yep. But before that he consolidated power through the Enabling Act which allowed him to make emergency decree without the Reichstag, after a supposed terrorist attack on the terrorist building itself. Wouldn't be surprised if Trump did the same after an alleged attack, somewhat like the Patriot Act but much more irrational. He would have the full fledged support of his supporters and many of us would be too fearful of an alleged domestic threat to fight it.
datssyck ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you wonder why on day 1 he decided to piss off the entire Arab world, doesn't it?
venomae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We dont have to go that far back. Imagine the same kind of fake like-a-coup thing that Erdogan orchestrated. It doesnt have to be a coup per say but one shitshow like that and you have Patriot Act II - The Rape of Constitution on the table.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look - when you're famous the constitution just lets you do it, it's totally consensual.
There were none really, at least on this level, due to his banning of Jews from owning media entities. Most of the hysteria against Trump, much of it just, is riled up and pushed by the Jewish owned media of today (cnn, nyt, wapo, etc). Imagine if you had no news at all telling you anything against Trump, you probably wouldn't get as riled up. This doesn't mean Trump has anything against Jews or anything, he's probably the biggest friend to Israel we've had in decades.
This doesn't mean Trump has anything against Jews or anything, he's probably the biggest friend to Israel we've had in decades.
I wouldn't be so sure... Remember when he spoke to that Jewish conference?
net_403 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:46:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the irony here the comparison of how many crimes are committed by actual citizens? Are we going to deport all of them too because it is a lot more. It's suggesting that a crime is worse when you commit it as an immigrant somehow, and not as bad as long as you're a resident.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worse because illegals aren't even supposed to be here. It's like if I invite a friend to a party and they fuck up then I'll forgive them, but if someone crashes my party and trashes my house then I'm going to call the police.
net_403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope if your friend trashes your house at your party you don't forgive them easily either though lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'll be pissed but it's on a whole different level.
net_403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we should invite everyone to become legal so we can trash our country together lol
We could assume, but I dont think that presidential memoranda is the place to assume
fdsa4327 ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 19:23:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
competing against americans to keep wages down. As a landscaper, its important that I get to keep from paying americans a fair wage or healthcare. It so much better to hire 4 illegals than 2 americans
Also when I was in costruction, I was able to get rid of 2 american guys getting $50,000 and hire 4 illegals at $25,000. WHy is it fair that an american should get that money? share the wealth like bernie says. when they send that money back to mexico, it probably eventually makes its way back to america eventually.
also, when I was a computer programmer, I imported cheap h1b slaves so i could fire my american tech department. americans in tech are overpaid anyway, and my h1b drones cant leave me without getting thrown out of the country
also when i owned a restaurant, so many illegals were there asking for jobs, i just fired all the americans and hired the illegals, because the americans didnt want their jobs anyway, plus those americans were probably xenophobes against the illegals anyway, so they deserved it. fucking drumpfxenophobehitlernazis wanted a living wage when so many illegals are just trying to get by
also when i owned a bunch of meat rendering plants, i only hired illegals, because there were so many around and they work way cheaper than american worker hitlernazis who want a living wage. it would be hitlernazi to hire american racists at a living wage when the illegals just snuck into america for a better life. what, are you hitlernazi and dont think that anyone who sneaks into america deserves to have an americans job?
if illegals are strong enough to sneak into america illegally and apply to work illegally, why shouldnt i hire them? they're here anyway, and so easy to find, why not?
why would i want my american employees spending money in my community when we can send it to mexico? why do i care about american families when i can hire illegals?
So you illegally hired laborers and are blaming them for you paying them less?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:43:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fdsa4327 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I HIRE the illegal immigrants dude. How can illegals survive in america without highly moral people like me? the more I hire the more i can help destroy the racisthitlerxenophobenazi american worker who wants a living wage. do you stand with the american hitlernazixenophobes who want a living wage?
since we all agree its immoral to deport illegal immigrants and that they should stay forever, and we all agree that anyone that sneaks in must stay in america (or you're racist), we must hire them.
or are you some kind of racist?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:35:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fdsa4327 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a sanctuary city, and Im a freedom fighter fighting for illegal immigrants rights to crush the american working class hitlernazis living wage. the more we drive the american worker into poverty with wage competition, the better
my sanctuary city approves of my quest, as evidence that they allow them here and dont harass me when i hire them.
it would be illogical to allow them to live in my sanctuary city and NOT use them as cheap labor to drive down hitlernazis quest for a living wage.
or are you some sort of racist who wants the american worker to have a living wage?
the only way we can have fairness and equality is to drag the american worker hitlernazis into the poverty gutter with us and the illegal immigrants
Oh...they will be. At least, as soon as they are discovered.
chmod777 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:32:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can you even print a list 33k names? cuase that's how many deaths there were by guns in the US. in just 2013. and that doesn't account for any other violent crimes.
Wow, I can't believe I never thought of that because it seems pretty obvious now. That makes this Banksy art look pretty stupid in retrospect. Like something that belongs on r/im14andthisisdeep.
Aavenell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounded really sarcastic until I went back and read my comment.
Local papers do not publish every single crime committed unless you live in a very small city.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. Also, every town I've lived in publishes annual reports including all criminal arrest/violations statistics and even includes finances of the department and who each member of the department is ect.
If Trump published a list of weekly crime statistics for aliens, then I think the media should publish a list of weekly crime statistics for all Americans.
However, it sounded like Trump was going to publish a list of all crimes committed by aliens. If he actually does that, the press should publish the full list of crimes committed by Americans.
I just think they should have parity with whatever Trump published...
They already do that and have for years, it's called a police blotter, except it wasn't done as a political move (like Trumps list is as would this mythical list in your scenario). Arrests and convictions are public information in this country.
I'm sure these crimes will be in the proper context, not like in his convention speech when he mentioned a woman who was killed by an illegal immigrant without mentioning it was a car accident.
The girl was killed by DUI - the previously-deported man's 5th DUI to be exact.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which means if that illegal immigrant had never entered the US, then she wouldn't have died so its still their fault just for existing. Its the same with terror attacks in Europe. They're being done by people born there, but if you hadn't let their trash parents or grandparents in in the first place these tragedies would have never happened.
So can I make the argument that abortion is justified because criminals could have been aborted? If we're going to legislate based on disturbances in the time stream, why not.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:18:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzanic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on it!
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:25:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard of the Iroquois nation? Yeah they were formed before European contact. But sure they didn't have castles or white people so they weren't a country.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:11:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, natives didn't even have written language
Are you saying anyone who does not conform to your way of life doesn't deserve to live? There is not much of a difference between you and the radical Islamists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the formation of the [Iroquois] League, the impact of internal conflicts was minimized, the council of fifty thereafter ruled on disputes,[17]displacing raiding traditions and most of the impulsive actions by hotheaded warriors onto surrounding peoples
If someone I knew was killed in a car accident involving an illegal immigrant I would advocate driver safety/awareness, not deporting all the immigrants.
Look at his username. Dude's blatantly a white nationalist.
Edit: whoops, meant the other guy responding. Although considering his statements about "trash", that dude's probably a white nationalist too.
Double edit: go back far enough in comment history and you find all sorts of wonderful things about getting rid of all the "trash". That's enough internet for the day; time to go do something more encouraging like play Dark Souls.
Because Trump has explicitly argued that Mexico is sending us murderers and rapists. This person wasn't committing premeditated or rage-fueled murder, he committed an accident.
An accident is that, he did not intend to kill that person. So, calling it "killed" by an illegal immigrant is straight up lying to suit your myopic view of the issue.
National policy should not be based on or refer to single accidents.
shadow776 ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 17:22:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Allegedly drunk driving and street racing, but it's just a "car accident" because Trump. If it was a rich white kid you'd call it murder and no amount of prison time would be enough.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:49:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a sarcastic comment? There was literally a case not too long ago when a rich kid was freed from a harsh drunk driving conviction because he had "affluenza."
I'm a Chicano living in Arizona. If Little Hands thinks he can terrorize my community without me doing everything I can to push back, he's sorely mistaken. I fought racist Sheiff Joe Arpaio with my friends, family and allies, most whom are US Citizens and have been for generations.
I want people to understand that when a man says something like "we only want the illegal Mexican criminals", They've already profiled a category of people regardless of their actual criminal or immigration status.
Thank you for this. This is so perfect for what's happening in this country and so many people are blind to it. Digging our own grave. All in the name of "security", allowing Republicans to drive the fear sword so deep into our culture we can't just live normal lives.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First they came for the illegal immigrants and I said nothing, because I'm a US citizen. Then they banned all the muslims and I said nothing, because I'm a US citizen. Then they came for me and I didn't have to say anything, because the US military is well funded.
It won't compare to a daily list of crimes Trump commits. He'll be responsible for more deaths and job loss than the last 30 years of illegal immigrants and all while being criminally corrupt and in violation of the constitution.
Hardly the foundation in any way. My statement is true even assuming death and job loss due to illegal immigrants is zero. Maybe you didn't read it very well?
If you say "immigrants cause all crime," someone disagreeing with you is not saying "immigrants cause no crime."
The negation of "all" is not "none." It is "not all." Calling bullshit on your extreme argument does not mean we are taking the opposite extreme position.
I never took any position whatsoever. I said that his statement implies that immigrants cause death and job loss. Which I find hilarious.
I know you only call people "EXTREME" because it inflates your sense of moderation and intellectual superiority. But before telling people off for their EXTREME arguments, make sure they at least made an argument in the first place.
Edit: Also what's with the "we". You don't even know that guy. Cut it out with the hive-mind nonsense.
Again: opposing the claim that "immigrants cause tons of problems" does not require one to believe "immigrants cause zero problems."
What you find "hilarious" is completely unremarkable - unless you don't understand this concept. Your kind typically doesn't. Same way you don't typically grasp irony; hence the eyerolling accusation of "hive-mind nonsense" from an obvious T_D username.
He never claimed immigrants cause tons or few problems. Neither did I. He just claimed that immigrants cause some level of problems which will be less than the ones caused by President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
Your reading comprehension seems weak. Common core? Excessive mind bleaching?
"Your kind" used to be considered a racist term. You are confusing a single individual with a group of people again. It's like you just can't stop with the collectivist ideas.
Speaking of Irish, I've always wondered if the mouth foaming xenophobes(who likely descend from European immigrants) that support Trump would rethink their views if they actually read a book and realized that they're basically the modern equivalent of the nativist movements that terrorized pretty much everyone under the sun who came to the country in the late 19th and early 20th century.
I know you'll always see some of these bozos say how "oh my ancestors came here in 18whatever from Ireland and they integrated just fine, why can't other immigrants?" but I feel like that only furthers the question for why have a ban when there have been endless instances of immigrants being normal people in the US?
Your family got to have the chance at a life in the US when their existence was treated as subhuman and times were volatile, why take that chance away from an entire group of people? I feel like too many people have this way too romanticized vision of what their family's immigration to the US was like in the 19th century and don't realize how pretty much anyone who wasn't pointing to a relative who was a New World settler had a target on their back for violence and discrimination.
I mean blanket statements like saying "all these people from x are criminals" is pretty much verbatim of when there was endless amounts of xenophobic hate fueled language about how every Irish person was a wife beating alcoholic, who want to leech on the system while actively draft dodging and following some old guy on a throne in Rome.
I transferred all my assets into Costco, Fuddrucker's, Gatorade and Powerade (just to be safe). I'm still terrified but at least my retirement is secure.
One of only two people I know who voted for Trump is a Jew. what a forgetful, hateful, piece of shit she is. But of course, because I'm brown I can't actually rally that point without coming off as the 'stereotypical angry brown person', so i just let myself stew.
I know a nice old Jewish guy who turned into an angry old Jewish guy and voted Trump because he hates Mexicans. Persecution does not turn a people into a better people. Look at how Israel treats Palestinians.
It's a scary tactics since very few people are able to make that very important distinction between how life looks out their own windows and how demographics and macroeconomics (which crime is a part of) work. With some 325 million Americans, any number of crimes reported by any significant group will set off massive red flags. "Last month, 5799 people of Latino heritage were arrested on theft/pickpocketing/breaking-and-entering charges in California" will probably scare the bejeezers out of most regular folks, people who can't really scale such number and hold them up against the fact that millions of people in California have a Latino heritage.
He was a great orator and knew how to surround himself with smarter people who had calculated economic and social plans. He was just the mouth piece and cult of personality that the people revolved around, though he was very powerful and gave the final orders, even to Germany's demise. His ego caused him to go against the advise of his generals in ways that would ultimately cause their devastating loss on the Russian front.
Would have never happened. Hitler hated communists to the core. They had a treaty which Hitler reneged on. He never planned on coexisting with them. Just wanted time to build his army without a Soviet threat, and to go into Poland.
sepharih ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:39:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone....maybe wesley clark jr.....said something that blew my mind recently.
Yes...Most fascists and totalitarian dictators are this stupid. That's actually why they're dictators. They lack the intelligence or nuance to achieve their goals through diplomacy so they push with raw brute force instead.
It was actually scarily similar to Trump - he gave speeches where he ranted and raved about things and people basically wrote him off for seeming too crazy to get elected. And then he did.
cmit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:37:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know about you but I don't like where this going. History shows it may not end well.
You're delusional, most states already provide arrest reports with the alleged crime committed for U.S. Citizens. Should aliens get special treatment over citizens?
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so they're going to be publishing weekly witch-hunt lists for everybody, are they? Because that is not what the order says. Seriously, guys, I know legalese can be opaque, but in this case it's extremely straightforward.
You don't know what a Declined Detainer Report is do you? It doesn't sound like it. Go read up. This isn't a "witch-hunt" as you make it to be.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I have to wonder if you've even read the order. Declined Detainer Outcome Reports will be (one of) the source(s) of the weekly public lists. Do you...do you not hear how fucking dystopian this is?
It would appear that your tin foil hat is too tight. "Declined Detainer Outcome Reports or equivalent". This is directly due to "Sanctuary Cities" ignoring the law that is already on the books in regards to criminal acts by aliens. Maybe you need to reread it.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I'm telling you the language is used is terrifyingly open to interpretation. Assuming an actual lawyer looked at this somewhere along the line, that can only mean it's deliberate. You can choose to believe that or not, I guess. I saw a survey recently where Trump supporters looked at the photographs of the Obama inauguration and the photos of the Trump inauguration and flat-out insisted they could see more people in the latter, so I'm probably beating my head against a brick wall here.
It's not thought. This E.O. is clear as day. Any Immigrant that commits a crime and a sanctuary city chooses to ignore it will have their names published with the crimes that they have committed. This is by far the most straightforward E.O. Trump has given.
Cool unrelated story. This isn't what I'm disputing here.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, beating my head against a brick wall.
Delnie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:39:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand whats the point in having these same discussions all over again, it always ends up a big circlejerk. Also I think it's stupid to discuss shit like this in a big safe place like reddit where 95% of the people share the same opinion. Why don't you all just join Shia in assaulting innocent people and yelling "He will not divide us" in the name of peace and tolerance?
Not just a list like some FBI data compiled at the end of the year, but a weekly list like a newsletter. It's ongoing state propaganda designed to incite hate against a vulnerable population. All this when immigrants actually commit less crimes than native born citizens.
Tell us again how we're being so irrational and over the top and ignorant when we compare Trump to Hitler. This is 21st century fascism in the making.
deadpear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe call it the Corrupt Criminals Calendar....or something like that.
10390 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:36:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he could come up with this stuff on his own.
The problem won't go away when he implodes.
By it's very definition, racism is "antagonism, or discrimination towards someone based on their race." The creation of a list which solely calls out the crimes of immigrants will inherently seek to foster a narrative of the immigrant as a criminal.
fuzzyKen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"immigrant" is not a race. That is, unless you think that all illegal immigrants are from one, non-white country, which would make YOU the racist.
Oafus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fucks sake, you know damn well that "illegal immigrants" is a dog whistle and refers to Mexicans. Unless of course you're referring to those goddam Canadians!
fuzzyKen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"illegal immigrants" is a dog whistle and refers to Mexicans.
Sure; for the uneducated and for racists.
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is exactly the target audience.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow 45%?
So an expensive wall wouldn't really help much with that problem
fuzzyKen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
It WILL help cut down on immigrants from the south, though. They make up a majority of illegals.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By a slighty majority.
Based on rhetoric you would think only 10 percent overstay their visa while 90 percent come the other way
I didn't say immigrants are a race, that doesn't make sense. The term immigrant refers to all groups of people migrating from one area to another. The posting of crimes committed by immigrants is racist because it creates a negative narrative towards them and people will make unfair and sweeping associations about groups of people coming into the country. If you only highlight the negative then people will only have it to respond to.
As to your second part I don't know what you're getting at.
I was referring to "the immigrant" in the royal sense, same as to say "the general group of people". To restate my last sentence in my original post: The creation of a list which solely calls out the crimes of immigrants to the United States will inherently seek to foster a narrative that all immigrants are potentially criminals. Does that clear it up better?
Of course they aren't a race, but immigrants are composed of many races. Racism doesn't have to target one specific ethnicity. It can be broader than that.
Doesn't matter what the name is, we all know who they are and what they do. If you prefer radical Christian terrorists by all means, I'm not going to disagree with you. That pretty much is Timothy McVeigh and Dylan Roof to a T. I'm not sure if McVeigh was a Christian terrorist or just a patriotic terrorist but he was a nasty piece of work regardless. I think you can also throw the school shootings into the mix, I'm sure somebody somewhere has compiled all of the stats and if they have this would be the time to release them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The alt right already touts citizen crime stats, especially by race. It doesn't get great PR though.
It would be very interesting to put the stats that Trump wants to publish side-by-side with the rest of them, I suspect that immigrant crimes wouldn't look anywhere near as bad when put against some of the homegrown terrorism that's happened over the last decade or two. I'm sure they would just come up with alternate facts to explain everything but it would be a place to start
It would be very interesting to put the stats that Trump wants to publish side-by-side with the rest of them, I suspect that immigrant crimes wouldn't look anywhere near as bad when put against some of the homegrown terrorism that's happened over the last decade or two. I'm sure they would just come up with lies to explain everything but it would be a place to start
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White crime rates are the second lowest, after Asian crime rates. Trump supporters might have sympathy for blacks, since it's not like they came here against our will, but it's hard to have sympathy for the rest. Most Trump supporters would just say that we should have banned immigration a long time ago, or never changed our policy from what it was in 1964.
It's not simply general crime stats, what about people like Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, what about the school shootings, what about all the people who have died violently at the hands of born in America Americans?
There's no doubt that immigrants commit crimes just like everybody else commits crimes but singling them out as a group without looking at the whole picture, without including homegrown terrorists, does not paint a balanced picture. Is the point to make immigrants look bad or is the point to get the whole picture out there? To me it sounds like the former is the only intent of this exercise. There's no better way to control a population then by scaring the shit out of them and the best way to scare them is to make them afraid of their neighbours. Choose the most easily acceptable "enemy" and demonize them. That is exactly what Adolf Hitler did to German Jews. The propaganda was so effective that by the time he started killing them nobody stopped him. Do I think Trump is Hitler? No. I do think however he's misinformed and misguided by the ultra conservative right wing Christians who make up his inner circle.
Just my opinion but looking at the way the first week has played out there are going to be tough times ahead and it's unfortunate because Americans are terrific people living in a gorgeous country with everything to look forward to and this man is going to wreak havoc on the middle class and the poor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not simply general crime stats, what about people like Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, what about the school shootings, what about all the people who have died violently at the hands of born in America Americans?
These stats wouldn't be meaningful to most Trump supporters. His supporters are white people who generally have more of a racial identity than left-wing whites. If you offer those stats then the response is just going to be the classic alt right position of "Well I'd love to live in an all white ethnostate, but that's not accessible. Getting rid of immigration is possible though and we've got a guy willing to do it." All that would be possible with an 'American vs non-citizen' comparison would be to increase white resentment of non-whites, which is much less safe than kicking out illegals.
There's no doubt that immigrants commit crimes just like everybody else commits crimes but singling them out as a group without looking at the whole picture, without including homegrown terrorists, does not paint a balanced picture. Is the point to make immigrants look bad or is the point to get the whole picture out there?
Same answer.
If those crime stats were broken up by race then white Trump supporters would just say we should have restricted immigration a long time ago so that people like the Orlando shooter's parents couldn't have come here. They'd see it as more reason to kick out immigrants and they'd see it as reason why we should have kicked them out a long time ago. If the crime stats weren't broken up by race, someone would break it up by race and it'd go viral.
There's no better way to control a population then by scaring the shit out of them and the best way to scare them is to make them afraid of their neighbours. Choose the most easily acceptable "enemy" and demonize them. That is exactly what Adolf Hitler did to German Jews. The propaganda was so effective that by the time he started killing them nobody stopped him. Do I think Trump is Hitler? No. I do think however he's misinformed and misguided by the ultra conservative right wing Christians who make up his inner circle.
This kind of argument annoys me a lot because it really lacks self awareness. The right wing has their own groups who they think have been scapegoated and they don't feel it any less than the left does. My boyfriend is a straight white male who feels like he's been bullied by progressive teachers and professors for his entire life. He feels the exact same way that these groups do when Trump backs the police state or kicks out the immigrants.
America is full of diametrically opposed groups with mutually exclusive interests. One set of them will always be scapegoated and attacked. That's what it means to have a divided nation. Electing Hillary wouldn't have made my boyfriend feel any more represented than electing Trump makes Muslims feel represented.
Just my opinion but looking at the way the first week has played out there are going to be tough times ahead and it's unfortunate because Americans are terrific people living in a gorgeous country with everything to look forward to and this man is going to wreak havoc on the middle class and the poor.
Tough times ahead for some people. Trump will be a huge push back for whites, traditionalists, males, etc. just like Obama was for non-Whites. Different groups get their turn being unilaterally represented for eight years and being shat on and exploited for the next eight. Neither group likes to acknowledge that the other side feels equally fucked over by their side as they do by the other's side.
So how do you differentiate? You're walking down the street and you see a Muslim family coming towards you. How do you know how long they've been in America? They could've been here for three generations and are just as American as you are. How many immigrants ended up in the military and served multiple tours in war zones? Should you be afraid of them? This is the problem. Like it or not there are many different ethnic groups making up The population of the United States. There is no way to tell by looking at somebody how long they've been in the country. Where do you draw the line and punish somebody whose grandparents or parents were born abroad? How do you punish somebody who wasn't born in the US but had been here since he was two years old and is a productive member of the community? This is not a simple us and them issue and anybody who paints it that way is wrong. This is fear that has been promoted by the new government soon as they started their campaign a year ago. US governments have been using fear to tighten their grip on the population since 911.
So who should your dad be afraid of? The guy who came to the country with nothing and struggled to make a success of himself, to provide for his family, to become a US citizen? Or the current government that is stripping away your democratic rights every day.
Anyway that's my rant, do with it what you wish. I judge people as individuals, not as a group and I choose not to live in fear.
I think you misread my comment or I didn't express myself well enough.. I do not share my father's views. I show him the FBI terrorist data every year to show him that radical right-wing terrorists kill more people in this country every year than Muslims do. He never budges to my chagrin.
That would only help Trump. Chaos and violence in the streets is what he wants. His inaugural address was all about the "carnage" and "blood in the streets" that's supposedly going on in this country. Protesters acting out violently gives him someone to point at and say, look, it's them, those are the people that are keeping America from being great!
It's actually an interesting point, if nobody arrives from the future to take him out soon then I'm going to assume we can conclude that time travel is actually truly never going to be possible.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well wait, are we talking Timecop rules or is this more of a Back to the Future situation?
The last 3 months was when I was holding out for the ability of time travel or divine intervention, even. When I went to bed on the 20th I knew we would have to do this ourselves. And I have no idea what to do.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By which I of course mean calling their senators constantly, and not the first thing that everyone in the world thought the second they heard that sentence. Obviously.
domrepp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it. How am I supposed to exercise my second amendment right to call them? Or did I miss an announcement about the next Samsung?
ademnus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:08:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're the ones who caused it. My money's on some alarmed CIA agent or ex-agent.
datssyck ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:07:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yes, the Kennedy route
venomae ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:13:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally JFK'ing the shit out of him.
ajt1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the Netherlands we had an anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim/next-Hitler guy in the early 2000's. He got shot by a liberal guy, before the elections.
Guess what happened...? His popularity soared, his party won the elections, before collapsing because of incompetence, and a lack of leadership. All the established parties were blamed for the assassination, because they had been against this guy, compared him to Hitler, and riled up the people. So it became impossible for them to be critical against new politicians who had even more extreme points of views.
This situation created an even worse anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim/next-Hitler guy, who is still extremely popular 14 years later.
Killing Trump, would be immoral of course, but also ineffective, because it's not about him. And if you make him/them actual victims, you will give them the power to act as the victims they want to be.
I think you have to let the incompetence run its course, and let his followers experience that his America isn't that great.
nasrmg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but wheres the line? What if shit gets really circa 1932? When is it acceptable?
In many ways, Hitler was a product of what we being felt at the time in Germany. He just tapped into what was already there. Without Hitler, there could have been someone else.
Amedais ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump secures total consolidated power, I'll eat a hat. Until then, stop trying to compare them.
Where's the list of crimes committed by Donald Trump? I'm sure that's longer than even a year's worth of crimes committed by all the immigrants in America combined.
Stormfront apparently does this too - although they tend to focus more on Blacks and Jews. But I'm sure they're happy to see the White House copying their playbook.
I own rural property, several loving animals and a few firearms. My family and I will try to shelter and feed and support any persecuted people escaping the Waffen Schultzstaffel in the coming days. Standing offer.
I'm certain his AMORAL supporters will be behind this 100% and be able to justify it somehow even though it absolutely WREAKS of authoritarianism and fascism.
For all of the snark in the thread going 'well, Hitler slept in a bed, so etc etc': the problem is that makes no fucking logical sense.
You are giving equal equivalence from a task everyone does (e.g breathing) to something that, statistically and historically, a very short list of people have done. And that list is basically dictators and fascists. You guys need to get it through your heads that this is a very authoritarian/fascist move from ANY political perspective, and stop doing weird mental backflips trying to get away from the fact.
This is a slippery, slippery slope towards normalization, and the only achievable goal in doing this is to incite violence and prejudice against immigrants in general.
does it say where he is going to publish these names? i think that if he actually does this then we should publish names and crimes committed by the GOP (was just reading up on Dennis Hastert and some others who like little boys)
NWmba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spelled Steve Bannon wrong
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FWIW, comparing Trump to Hitler is an insult to Hitler.
Hitler was an evil fascist. But he was also competent.
Reminds me of that cheese steak place in Philly that has pictures of all the police killed by non-white people.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has to do everything he can to legitimize the completely pointless anti-immigration bills that will cost us billions of dollars. Obviously it won't work on the majority of the population who are livid with the amount of money this is wasting. It's just more propaganda for his cult
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets just respond with a list of crimes committed by Trump.
different and same , Hitler had deranged ideology motivating him, Trump has personal ego driving him and there are so many more things possible under a Trump administration, some great, some abhorrent because its all down to how he ends up looking and whether he has to resort to X tactic to maintain his delusion of being the best at everything.
https://youtu.be/Th67trdmNTY?t=237
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the guy's political strategy is straight out of Joseph Goebels' playbook, it's not surprising to see this.
Interesting that the wording of the executive order doesn't even specify "undocumented immigrants," it just says "aliens." Are they intending to include legal immigrants too?
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens."
I can see this administration, with its lies and doublespeak, twisting the word "alien" to mean a lot of different things in the coming months.
We have to counter this with a list of crimes perpetrated by white anglos. Maybe the forced relocation of native Americans at the top. It has to be a list many times longer and far more egregious than the immigrant list.
If we could just figure out a way to mark them in public so all the citizens would know how to recognize them...that might work. It should be something gold, because that's Trumps color. Maybe something that stands out too, like a star that they have to wear on their lapels. Yes, a big gold star. That'll do.
If you don't like your guy constantly being compared do Hitler, maybe he should stop doing the same things Hitler did during his rise to power. Just a thought.
To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:56:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, "alien" doesn't automatically mean "illegal immigrant." It has several meanings. Just saying "alien" legally leaves it open to all immigrants. They worded it that way on purpose.
Let's force them to wear a little yellow star as well while we are a it. Just, you know, to be able to distinguish them. What possibly could go wrong right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? They're illegal aliens. It's illegal for them to be in the country and thus makes them criminals. Why is this so hard to understand people? and yet Trump is acting like the child?
Again, we are talking about illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be here. It is a crime to be in a country illegal anywhere you go. We are not talking about legal immigrants who are allowed to be here...It is perfectly legal to talk about the criminal acts of people who are in this country illegally...
fizzikz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So when people see this list every week and start associating all immigrants with this crime, and then maybe people start carrying out extrajudicial punishments on these immigrants, you will just say they deserve to be killed because they are here illegally and thus not people?
And then maybe we can just setup some camps to host all these undesirable cockroaches.
Fascism is when corporate and government powers are merged and all businesses are nationalized under the government. That hasn't happened yet. So no it's not fascist... I love how people just throw that word around like they know what it means. The US is State-Capitalist.
I never said I embrace it. I just wouldn't object to anything the president decides or congress decides to do with the illegals. Legal immigrants have nothing to worry about. People won't associate all immigrants as illegal. And if they are legal, they can just show their documents or card that they're approved. That's it. You're creating a hypothetical that we can only speculate about and probably wouldn't happen like the way you're blowing it up to be.
fizzikz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is straight from the dictionary " an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocrac
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice."
I hate to do this but that's the exact same thing Hitler did to the jews.
He just made them illegal and made them show their cards (or statuses) and them put them in camps. And then when it got too expensive they decided on a "final solution", what would your "final solution" be to this immigration problem?
Oi, I have to do this every time....yes your definition is correct but only covers one half the the description. By your definition alone fascism can be applied to any any government that has any minute amount of misplaced power. You could it apply it anywhere. But what makes fascism work is the merger of the other have of the definition. It takes the merger of both corporate power and government power in one, thereby nationalizing all production by the government under total control of economics and politics. Until that happens and everything is nationalized, we're not fascist. Sorry. And that's from the mouth of the very man who coined the term...Mussolini.
I don't have a solution to it. I'm simply indifferent to it. I don't care how he does it. As long as it works out for us. I wouldn't object to whatever we do to them or muslims. America for Americans only please. Just get them out.
Funny. This sub is still complete shit. Using a list of laws broken by immigrants to compare him to Hitler is so stupid. There are so many other things you could use against him, but this just makes me take the left less seriously.
cGt2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this information already publicly available via crime statistics published by the FBI and other law enforcement outlets?
Better publish a list of crimes committed by citizens right next to it.
socokid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could this not be seen as anything but a childish scare tactic?
I just don't get it...
Would continuously listing crime by members in other groups of people perform a service as well? Why not?
IMO, illegal immigrants would be less inclined to commit a crime as they would have more to lose. We already know immigrants commit less crime than your average American. Imagine one that is here illegally. I suspect they mostly try to stay under the radar...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would continuously listing crime by members in other groups of people perform a service as well? Why not?
IMO, Jews s would be less inclined to commit a crime as they would have more to lose. We already know Jews commit less crime than your average American. Imagine one that is here illegally. I suspect they mostly try to stay under the radar...
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order, however, doesnโt specify if this relates to just illegal immigrants, or all immigrants living in the US legally.
I guess that means we're about to have gas chambers and concentration camps now. The ol Hitlery slope
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping Trump will be the greatest challenge and achievement of America's modern bi-partisan democracy. Hurdle this and we pass the test. How resilient are we to reject a populist dictator-wannabe?
My father has lived in this country 25+ years and never gotten so much as a speeding ticket. Can he publish this list as well? While he's at it one of American born people and their crimes?
oakstave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bet it's half as long as the list of crimes he committed.
The number and type of crimes committed by immigrants is only meaningful if compared to the the number and type of crimes committed by non-immigrants. If it can be proved that immigrants commit more and worse crimes than non-immigrants then this argument has merit.
But just listing a few of the worst immigrant crimes with no context will just create the impression with the unsophisticated consumer of this sort of propaganda that immigrants really are more criminal. And of course that is the whole point.
It cannot be proved. Immigrants in fact commit less crimes than native born citizens. They are on their best behaviour because they know their situation is flimsy and they don't want to attract police attention and be deported.
That's an interesting theory, but where is the supporting evidence?
We have criminals committing rape and murder in the US after being deported repeatedly. It's easy enough to come back over, so threatening to deport them is not a deterrent.
Also, if they are willing to commit one crime, like immigrate illegally they are more likely to be open to committing other and more serious crimes.
Supporting evidence for what? You fucking sucker. Immigrants commit less crime. You fucking asshole. "If they are willing to commit one crime". These are people of HARDIER STOCK THAN YOU. These are real motherfucking people, who have balls and have faced hardship. You're just a fucking chump ass FAT american idiot who thinks the worlds owes him something because he was born in America. http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
Shut the fuck up. This is not why Trump got elected, he got elected because he addressed the globalization/China growth issue which is affecting all industrialized countries. He will lose the next election once everybody realizes he has no clue how to solve it.
You're missing the point. Any crimes committed by illegal immigrants are unacceptable; because they could have been easily avoided by simply enforcing immigration laws.
There should by 0 annual crimes committed by illegal immigrants; because there should be 0 illegal immigrants.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All other issues aside, there is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
I don't see a problem with it either way, actually. Hell, publish a list of all the crimes in the community regardless of the nationality of the criminal. A little bit of public shame might serve as a deterrent.
My college used to do this. You got arrested or cited, on campus your name was in the school paper. Don't want the attention, don't draw the attention.
It's all a matter of public record and the ppl have a right to know what's happening in their city. Isn't this really the point of journalism; to report the facts and hold ppl accountable.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
publish a list of all the crimes in the community regardless of the nationality of the criminal.
That isn't what's happening.
You got arrested or cited, on campus your name was in the school paper.
That isn't what's happening.
Isn't this really the point of journalism
That isn't what's happening. This has nothing to do with journalism, and Trump is no friend of the free press.
I've never understood this logic; let's think about this for a second.
1) really terrible shit happened in the past that couldn't have been prevented and cannot be changed
2) really terrible shit happens now that we can prevent
3) but we're not going to act to prevent really terrible shit from happening in the future; because really terrible shit happened in the past.
How does this make sense to you? How do the mistakes of the past justify crimes in the future? This makes no sense, to any rational mind.
xoogl3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
really terrible shit happens now that we can prevent
This is not happening. Terrible shit is not happening because of immigrants. The myth that immigrants (which obviously means non-white because Trump certainly doesn't have a problem with marrying the white ones, multiple times) are a cesspool of crime is just familiar scapegoating tactic used by every authoritarian dictator in the history of the world. Immigrants (documented or undocumented) have always been net positive to the American economy and society.
If you're genuinely interested in the topic and not just suffering from xenophobia, you can compare the economies and general prosperity, crime-rate, health indices (just pick any social development measure) of states with most number of immigrants against those with the least. I'll give you a hint, states like CA/NY/NJ/FL are on the top of the immigrant list while states like Alabama/Mississippi etc. are at the bottom.
Lol, really that's your argument? Immigrants never commit crimes? You're going with that? That's your story and you're sticking to it?
"There's nothing to see here folks, it's all a vast right-wing conspiracy. No, wait, don't look behind that curtain!!"
If that's true than Trump's list of criminals will only prove you right and make Trump look paranoid and foolish. So you have no problems friend, relax.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just willfully stupid. Nobody's claiming immigrants don't commit crimes. But what's clear from data
Is that (new) immigrants commit less crimes per capita than second or later generation immigrants (which covers vast majority of Americans). Publishing a list of "criminals" of any category is nothing but an age old tactic to demonize that group straight out of the Fascist playbook. And all of you who are cheering him on are going to have to answer to judgement of history the same way those who cheered on our past sins as a society like slavery, jim crow laws, Japanese internments etc.
If you admit that immigrants commit crimes than you've already lost the argument, try and keep up. Maybe read the entire exchange from the top.
Publishing a list of criminals is not "straight out of the fascist playbook". It used to be common practice in this country. There was a time once when all newspaper published a list of local crimes and criminals. It was called journalism.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're trying very hard to steer the conversation from the despicable act of targeting a vulnerable minority into simple "law and order" discussion but that only works with rubes who have no sense of history.
All sufficiently large groups of people will have some who commit crimes. There's no need or reason for me to "admit" it. OK I'll also freely admit to the facts if phases of the Moon and sun rising in the East.
You're willfully and despicably conflating the practice of reporting on all crimes with the fascistic tactic of targeting a single groupp of people and making then targets of racist violence and hatred. The original article is calling attention to the exact same practice carried out by the Nazis against the Jews. History will judge this despotic clown and his supporters (like you) the same way.
No one is calling for racist violence or hatred on anyone. That is a lie and you are a liar.
There is no correlation between this and fascism, that is a lie and you are a liar.
History has already judged you and your movement and you've lost.
OUT! OUT! OUT!
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is calling for racist violence or hatred on anyone. That is a lie and you are a liar.
Yup. Keep chanting that. I know your need to think of yourself as good person mandates that you willfully ignore history call others liars when they point what's going on. But people like me are here to keep reminding you that no matter how hard you stick your fingers in your ears and chant "naaanananana... I can't hear you", your complicity in these crimes will not be forgotten.
This is just the tip of the iceberg, and you want to deflect attention from a literal genocidal campaign; by accusing your political opponents of planning to do what you're already doing?!???!!!
BTFO!!!!
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you're growing more and more agitated. And I don't wonder why. I'm noticing all the links you've posted are to white supremacist websites who've been predicting white genocide, "take away our guns" etc. all through Obama's presidency and despite the fact that none of that happened, and now an openly racist clown, literally endorsed by the KKK and neo-nazis is the President, you're still convinced that your entire race is under attack. I believe the technical term for this condition is paranoid delusion. Trump's temperament is an exact fit for the likes of you and I'm happy for you that you have found each other.
Of course you can go on pretending that Trump calling Mexican immigrants "rapists and criminals" right at the start of his campaign was not a hateful attack on immigrants. I don't know why you need to pretend? Does it matter so much to you that strangers on the internet believe you to be a good person when you're so clearly on the side of racists and fascists?
You think everything is a white supremacist site, fuck you.
Hillary was supported by the KKK so are all democratic candidates.
Obama tried on many occasions to take the guns and every fear the conservatives had regarding him proved true.
Just because all of his policies failed doesn't mean he didn't try. It means he's a failure.
I don't give a fuck what you think. You're human scum.
How can you claim anything is clear when you've given no evidence what so ever.
I really don't care about you at all. You're losing; you've lost. You're falling, your whole movement is falling onto the garbage heap of history. Everything you do from this point is the pathetic, final death throws of the defeated.
All you can do now is scream, "racist, racist, buuuuuttttt iiiiittttt'sssss rrrraasciiiisssttttt." As you go down.
Well that's fine, do that if it makes you feel better.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:35 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't care about you at all. You're losing; you've lost. You're falling
Yeah dude. You totally sound like a winner.
Just like Trump, your repeated assertions about winning are only making it more obvious that the fact that Trump lost the vote is painful to you guys. I'm detecting severe mental disturbance from your rantings and ravings here. Hope you seek some help before people around you get hurt.
I could post examples all day of your side calling for mayhem and genocide. I ask you for one example of such rhetoric from my side and you've got squat.
Diddly-squat! So who's the fucking fascist? Who. Is. The. Fascist.
YOU ARE.
You are not the good guys.
You are the side of the racists;
you are the side of the rapists;
you are on the side of the the murders.
Rollakud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does one counter the argument "He's not racist he just wants to uphold the law."
Also I think Trump is really doing this all on purpose to unite the people against him because he doesn't want to be President for long. He either wants to be impeached or he's going to do a bunch of horrible things so that in 2020 he loses by a huge landslide.
I firmly believe Trump is going to push for the deportation of legal and illegal immigrants from Mexico. When he said he wanted to make America great again what he meant was to turn back the clock on the country's demographics.
Sparowes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know how Trump projects and always accuses other people of things he is actually guilty of? And remember how he compared the CIA to Nazis on Twitter?
... yeah, this sadly isn't surprising.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:09:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell would you need this? With all the other ridiculous ideas there's usually a seemingly sensible premise behind it even if the logic is flawed or facts don't agree. Building a wall? Stops illegal immigration. There's a thousand problems with this idea but okay, I get where you're coming from. Banning Muslims? Prevents terrorism. Again, problems, but I understand the fundamental premise and how you could believe in it. Publishing ONLY the crimes committed by immigrants? .... Making people hate immigrants and flaring up tensions? What the fuck else can you be going for? What other explanation is there? Why is this a thing?
DragonXV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A book of Hitler's speeches is one of the few books Trump has ever read, according to an ex wife.
aeiou69 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:49:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump drinks water. Hitler did the same.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:26:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aeiou69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you provide any evidence of him vilifying legal immigrants? It's easy to mislead and agitate people when legal and illegal immigrants are conflated into one group.
Wow, way to prejudge me. I didn't discuss my political beliefs at all. I voted for Gary Johnson. I'm about as anti-Government intrusion as possible, which is decidedly non-fascist.
I was simply commenting on how both sides eventually get to the point of saying their opponents are like Hitler. And here in the US, it's always a massive exaggeration.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not. Hitler wrote about how poisoning thousands of Jews would be justifiable in Mein Kampf. Trump wrote Art of the Deal. Trump has been democratically elected into an office well-known for stringent checks and balances. Hitler wasn't.
Just because someone wants people to immigrate to the US legally doesn't make them a fascist (which has also completely lost it's intended severity thanks to the left) or a white nationalist.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:54:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you point to some of Trump's quotes where he vilifies "immigrants", not just "illegal immigrants", just "immigrants"?
Furthermore, give me a statement where he vilifies a standard illegal immigrant with no criminal record.
As for non-Christians, I don't recall Christianity coming into play in this election - in fact, Trump was routinely mocked because he didn't have "Christian-cred", he couldn't recite a Bible quote properly. Can you point to him vilifying "non-Christians"?
If you mean solely "Muslims", can you point to where he vilified Muslims - rather than just advocated for suspension of immigration from terror-prone countries?
Can you give me a statement where he vilifies "non-whites", or even brings up the question of "race"?
Can you give me a statement where he's vilified black people, or Hispanics?
I'm interested to know.
subnu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can't. But they can link you to 1000 mainstream media articles stating as such.
The party (if I've misinterpreted, please define "left" for me) that couldn't get their shit together enough to defeat Trump in the General, suddenly has the wherewithal to send
thousands of violent people in to the street.
This is conspiracy theory of the highest order.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that party. The one Soros runs :) The Soros who funds 90 different groups that caused trouble on inauguration day.
Oops, shit. Sorry, CNN hasn't told you to think that yet. You must be very confused right now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:30:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh really?
I see this a lot. You say something to be true, but they always stop at that. Never say how.
Huh. Funny that.
Keep up the great work.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:41:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And there it is.
Two posts for the insult to come.
You're so smart. I can't possibly compete with your grand intelligence.
I concede everything. You should spread your message far and wide. Keep doing what you're doing :)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:46:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. No source whatsoever.
Totally didn't happen. No one saw anything. All a fantasy.
Have a nice day. Fight the power.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are ridiculously easy to trigger. They are more sensitive than the most sensitive SJW. I guess that's why they're attracted to men that project strength, because they are so weak themselves.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Totally triggered.
You should screenshot this and put it on facebook. Everyone should see how hard I got owned.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAAAAAAA!!!!
Yes. That's totally true. You should definitely inform people of that narrative. Please. Please put such wisdom on Facebook and Twitter. The world needs to see this great, totally true comment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To anyone reading this far: It IS true and you should inform people.
I don't know why you think I disagree with that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Absolutely.
Please keep insulting them. Please keep calling them racists and bigots and misogynists. Please keep dismissing the concerns they have.
I am NOT being sarcastic. I am NOT trolling.
Please, please carry on doing exactly what you're doing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to explain yourself to me matey.
I just told you. I encourage this all the way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. That's a good one. Definitely put that one on Twitter. It feels a shame to waste it buried so far down in these comments.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but if I'm your test dummy then what are you testing for?
That one wasn't as good. Relies on a lot of people not knowing how job markets work. And whilst the left are dumb, I'm not sure they're that dumb. (It would be unfair to sample the many, many, many, many,many,many, many, many, many, many, many, many individual examples to reflect the group wouldn't it?)
2/10, use only in emergencies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My responses are that you should continue doing exactly what you're doing.
You won't find me arguing with you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry what? 217 people were arrested for violently protesting. I'll go ahead and quote the article for you.
In Washington, Newsham told CNN the several hundred demonstrators who actively confronted police were vastly outnumbered by the thousands of nonviolent protesters who swarmed the nation's capital for Inauguration Day and Saturday's Women's March on Washington.
"Thousands of nonviolent protestors" being the operative phrase here.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the heroes that covered their faces (Proud of their principles. Total heroes) and ran away when they heard sirens.
Oh and you're using arrests made on the day. More have been made since which, funnily enough, proves the point in my first paragraph.
Let's give your first sentence credence and say there were 2,000 violent protestors in the country. Compare that to the estimated 3 million participants and notice that your argument holds very little water. You are using less than one percent of a population to determine the intention of the whole. But then I guess Trump supporters are used to the minority being the deciding factor....
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You nearly got me there. I almost got in to this with you.
You're right. They were all totally reasonable, non violent and not hateful at all. All those lovely signs (The ones with dead babies was a personal favourite) and chants filled with love and acceptance.
Please continue to publicly and loudly voice your opinion. You're doing a great job.
They were all totally reasonable, non violent and not hateful at all.
Just like Trump supporters. Yes, there were some bad eggs in the Trump rallies, but for the most part they were people there to see their candidate and spout the company line.
Please continue to publicly and loudly voice your opinion.
I will. I will also continue to call my congressmen on a weekly basis. It's the only way for my voice to be heard over the next 2 years. Trying to sarcastically shame me for voicing my beliefs will not work because I'm proud of them. I'm proud to be a rational person who is able to see the terrifying trend that Donald Trump has set. I'm proud that I am a part of the majority and not the minority when I see this.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to sarcastically shame me for voicing my beliefs will not work because I'm proud of them.
I don't think you understand. I'm not being sarcastic. I want you to keep doing what you're doing. I'm not shaming you. Please carry on.
I'm proud that I am a part of the majority and not the minority when I see this.
Approval rating 57%. Don't mistake ''majority'' with ''hugbox'' and 'echo-chamber''.
I'm proud to be a rational person who is able to see the terrifying trend that Donald Trump has set.
I bet if challenged you can't come up with ONE thing that stands up to just two questions worth of scrutiny.
But I'm not gonna take that challenge further. As I say, please keep doing what you're doing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry what now?
Lowest of all the polls. Of course The Hill would use that one and not the many others that say it's higher. Been as high as 59% I went conservative with 57.
How about a list?
Yep. Great list. Agree with it all. You should share it with everyone you know. (and hope like hell they don't look past the article for any further info).
Actually, thanks for the list. I am also going to share it.
No, you picked the highest one, from a pollster with a known Republican leaning.
Even Trump knows that he's staggeringly unpopular, and has been throwing fits of rage about this.
You guys bet on the wrong horse. Better start thinking about what you're going to do to make things right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you picked the highest one, from a pollster with a known Republican leaning.
Like you did with your poll being a dem leaning one?
No, no. Give me a sec'.
Yeah. Your poll was totally right and mine was totally wrong. You should keep pushing your superior views loud and proud. The hear say of the internet making up your arguments is great. Highly educational. People must see it. If only I had the intelligent superiority to take my news from an unverified twitter account. Your self awareness is inspirational.
You are lying, because your claims contradict other comments in your posting history. You're either lying now, or you were lying then. QED
We're done here.
v3ntti_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wants you to seriously keep it going. Hopefully for the next 8 years. He's not trolling. Why? Because watching the left have mental breakdowns 3 times a day, over things the TV told them is downright hilarious and has made this wild ride that much better.
Feel free to source the "looting, rioting, and harming," last I checked the largest protest in US history, a liberal one, resulted in zero arrests.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. A man wasn't attacked putting out fires the protesters set. A girl didn't get her hair set on fire. A female reporter didn't get punched in the face. People weren't late for work because protesters barred them from getting there by human chaining the sidewalks.
There weren't over 250 arrests on the day and more afterwards.
But yeah. This guy needs a source. Christ almighty.
You should definitely keep spreading your message. Please be vocal....We rely on it. You won't find me arguing with you. Please keep up this behaviour.
A Trump supporter certainly didn't kill two cops. No one has ever been beaten or hurt by Trump supporters. These people don't exist.
There weren't over 250 arrests on the day and more afterwards.
That's a very small number given the size of the protests. It sounds as if you're trying to exaggerate the violence in order to push a particular narrative.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
The peaceful ones. Swearing, name calling, holding banners of full term dead babies.
You're right. I tried to push a violence narrative.
Didn't really need to did I.
Beacons of society. Top quality people. Just lovely. And I hope they do it again. And again and again and again.
Again, you're wrong to think this hurts my side, and benefits yours. That tactic of yours is based on a false premise.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:27:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but that's what pro-Life protesters hold.
Oh I know. Not seen the mocking ones by the left? Passed you by? They were at the march....I mean, you have the internet. Presumably it';s the same internet as everyone else, no?
Again, you're wrong to think this hurts my side, and benefits yours. That tactic of yours is based on a false premise.
You keep saying tactic. I don't know how many times I have to say that the only tactic I have is to keep encouraging your behaviour.
There is no hidden agenda here. Please. Carry on.
You're right. It doesn't in the slightest hurt your ''side''. Which is why you should continue on, loud and proud.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because you think that behaviour is detrimental to my argument
What does it matter to you what I think? How do my thoughts have any bearing on your behaviour?
It's not a very well-hidden one, but it's certainly there. You believe that these kinds of post hurt your political opponents. Problem is, there is no evidence this is true.
Great. Fine. Keep going then. What's the problem here?
You should really stop lying so blatantly. No one is buying it.
I'm lying? So it does hurt your side? That's what me lying would suggest. I said it doesn't hurt you. The only logic here is that you think it does hurt you if you think I'm lying.
You need to get your own thoughts in order before you try and analyse mine.
Because we're having a conversation, one you are desperately trying to steer your way (but can't, because you are too obvious about the whole thing).
How do my thoughts have any bearing on your behaviour?
They don't, and that's not what we're talking about. Don't change the subject.
Great. Fine. Keep going then. What's the problem here?
The problem is you continuing to think providing counter-arguments to your BS somehow helps you.
I'm lying? So it does hurt your side?
Non sequitur. You are lying about agreeing with me. You don't agree with me, and do believe it "hurts my side," which is why you're egging me on to continue.
The alternative would be that you actually want to weaken your own position, which makes no sense.
I said it doesn't hurt you. The only logic here is that you think it does hurt you if you think I'm lying.
No, it means I don't think you believe it's not hurting my position. That's what you are lying about. I know logic is hard, but try to pay attention.
You need to get your own thoughts in order before you try and analyse mine.
My thoughts are fine, and you're not smart enough to rebut me by presenting fallacious arguments disguised as logical ones, sorry.
Since there's clearly no way to have an honest conversation with you, I'm just going to end this here. Have a nice day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we're having a conversation, one you are desperately trying to steer your way (but can't, because you are too obvious about the whole thing).
Look. You're getting delusional. I haven't steered anywhere. I've said the same thing every comment. Keep....Doing....what....you're.....doing.
They don't, and that's not what we're talking about. Don't change the subject.
Thats EXACTLY what you're talking about. OK, we've reached this point of leftist discussion. Let's just say stuff. Random stuff.
Non sequitur. You are lying about agreeing with me. You don't agree with me, and do believe it "hurts my side," which is why you're egging me on to continue.
No, you see, if you look back you'll see I conceded that by saying ''Yes I am. I honestly want you leftists to carry on like this exactly. Just because you don't like the reasons why doesn't mean i'm not being honest when I say it.''
If you're not gonna pay attention then what's the point in this? Was that just a blip in your superior intellect?
My thoughts are fine, and you're not smart enough to rebut me by presenting fallacious arguments disguised as logical ones, sorry.
I have no argument. I said keep going. And I still say keep going.
The mental gymnastics you just went through is tragic.
I'm happy you disagree with me. It means you'll do exactly what I have asked of you.
So because a couple thousand of the over 2 millions protester were violent that invalidates the vast majority of actual decent protesters? Also many far right outlets like Lauren southern were seriously reporting that a group of Anarchists were actually leftist protesters.
https://youtu.be/vkA876B6TFY
When did this happen? Do we live in the same country? There were like 100 arrests and barely any looting after 3 million plus people protested trump. Sorry if free speech = looting to you.
The biggest protest in American history was remarkably peaceful. But if you're sensitive ass is triggered by a few people out of a million "rioting", (again what alternative facts are you ever referring too) then let's not even talk about the 10% or Trumps support that is out and out racist. Or how actual KKK, snd neo-nazi's love him and supported him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did this happen? Do we live in the same country?
I doubt it.
Sorry if free speech = looting to you.
And theburning teenagers hair. And the assaulting citizens trying to put out fires.
Top class people.
In case you're not aware of my stance yet.....Please, carry on with your narrative. Spread it on facebook. Spread it on twitter. Shout it loud.
Fight the power!
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do all white males present themselves as the nation's sole hope to make the country great again. Oh and the way to make the country great again centers on blaming ethnic/religious groups and outsiders.
Trump's key issues: Immigration, Trade, ISIS. Immigration and ISIS are so far down on the list of problems facing this country it's insane. And his scapegoating of NAFTA is insane and rejected by every even moderately respected economist.
Let's also not forget about the widespread conspiracy theories and us vs them mentality he promotes. The election is rigged, millions of illegals are voting, all of our intelligence agencies are wrong or conspiring against me, Obama was born in Kenya, the media is out to get me, Hillary had a DNC staffer assassinated etc etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama did not double the national debt, he inherited negative gdp growth, two wars, and a deficit. You could replace Obama with any President and either the debt wouldn't look meaningfully better, or the economy would look meaningfully worse.
Saying that the debt increasing is Obama's fault is to seriously confuse correlation and causation. I'm pretty sure a balanced budget would have plunged us into a 1930's level depression. Imagine how many government workers alone would have to be laid off. Now imagine all the layoffs from everything the government funds in private enterprise. Schools, academic research, military etc.
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Can't wait to get forced into a death camp via executive order.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why everyone is acting so surprised. Trump literally slept with a copy of Mein Kampf on his bedside table for years.
Trump admires and wants to emulate Hitler. His entire strategy has been nothing more than copying the fascist playbook.
Now we have the unlucky task of trying to stop Hitler's playbook before the US ends up as the bad guys of World War 3. The good news is that Trump is incredibly unpopular and the liberal resistance is getting more organized and efficient.
The bad news is that Trump is president and the Republicans control Congress and many state legislatures, and they are all dictatorial corrupt tyrants who will piss on the Constitution every day so long as they can keep their seats.
You do realise that even the vast majority of Trump supporters, liberals, people, etc. condemn Spencer's views, right?
You could find the most outrageous Trump supporter, who is in line with everything Trump says, and they wouldn't get near Spencer with a ten-foot pole. They'll advocate for his right to free speech, but no more.
This sub-reddit hates Milo Yiannopolous with a burning passion, but even Milo hates Spencer.
My thoughts on it, let him talk - let other people talk to him, we've got the higher ground. If you can't defend your arguments against ethnic cleansing vs. someone who is for it - what the fuck are you doing? That's all I have to say.
Again, if you can't dismantle the arguments a Nazi has for ethnic cleansing - what are you doing?
Can you legitimately not come up with an argument against ethnic cleansing if you were to debate Spencer?
Do you believe that his position is so solid that you must censor him?
Furthermore, do you believe that by letting him talk, that it will extend his influence? The vast majority of people are moral people, they're not going to be convinced to believe that ethnic cleansing is right.
On top of that, I'm sure you've heard racist, sexist, etc. views expressed - if you believe that these views have strong influence, why are you not racist, sexist, etc.? Could it be because your moral convictions are more powerful than the immoral words of someone else?
I'm not telling you to reason them out of the position - I'm saying, can you defend your arguments, can you defend your principles?
It's not about what the other person is saying, can you put your thoughts out there using x, y & z to say why ethnic cleansing is bad - and if the answer to that question is yes, great.
If you have confidence in your arguments, you should have confidence to speak with people who hold opposing views - taking ethnic cleansing out of the equation, are you able to defend your standard principles? If someone questioned you on education, economics, etc. would you be able to give arguments for why you think your views are solid?
This is all I'm trying to highlight in this conversation - censoring people, shutting people down, it displays to your opponent that you don't have an argument to use. It displays to me that you can't defend against a morally reprehensible view like ethnic cleansing - and I'm sure you can, if you wanted to!
SVTBert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:06:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the whole "rightwing nazi" thing comes from /pol/ trolling the mainstream media, it's not an actual thing, the "alt-right" movement is literally just people trolling and being purposefully offensive on 4chan.
/r/fellowkidsThe MSM decided to run with the "white supremacist" angle, partly by declaring Pepe a white supremacist mascot when it's actually just a 10 year old 4chan meme, and partly by propping up controlled opposition like Richard Spencer who claims to speak for this group that literally does not exist. When they talk about Pepe being white supremacist, they're talking about the posts on /pol/. When they talk about the Alt-right, they're talking about the posts on /pol/.
And then you have this dude Spencer acting like he speaks on behalf of the sarcastic trolls on 4chan and is their "leader".
Not just illegals, all immigrants. Please read the article before commenting
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont need to read the article. You can read exactly what President Trump wrote...
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
Alien - relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government
Sanctuary Jurisdictions - In the United States and Canada, aย sanctuaryย city is a city that has adopted a policy of protecting illegal immigrants by not prosecuting them for violating federal immigration laws in the country in which they are now living illegally.
Sorry for presenting alternative facts. Don't worry Ill be down voted and drowned out and the circle jerk will continue.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:06:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't alien include all legal aliens as well? I.e. tourists, guest workers, legal permanent residents and student visa resident aliens. Per the Legal) definition of the word.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can read all about the detailed legal definitions defined by 8 U.S. Code ยง 1101.
I'd say the legal definitions are a little more complicated than Wikipedia lets on. Either way in context with sanctuary jurisdictions I think its pretty obvious how this is legally defined. If he was targeting legal aliens why would he even mention sanctuary jurisdictions. This is much more about getting rid of sanctuary jurisdictions than it is about tracking legal or illegal alien crimes.
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens. โ
As you can see from the last line he clearly outlines aliens who are illegal and therefore threatened to be detained by the federal government. Im done though, think what you all want, I am sure the truth will be known soon.
daner92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does sanctuary jurisdiction mean? How about detainer? How do those two terms apply to this statement? Context is important.
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
daner92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone doesn't know what a resident alien is...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does sanctuary jurisdiction mean? How about detainer? How do those two terms apply to this statement? Context is important.
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
I think the problem is that people are reading the article and assuming they're properly informed.
In fact, the article doesn't even corroborate what you're saying. It's playing dumb saying 'technically he isn't excluding legal immigrants' to get people agitated. They're speculating on him using this to go after legal immigrants when there's no indication he would.
Trump's rhetoric towards immigrants has always been regarding illegal immigrants, with an emphasis on violent and drug related crimes. If that follows with how this is handled you won't have to worry about the legal immigrants.
No one's in a good position to address your opponents if you misconstrue what they're saying, and nothing's been more frustrating the last 18 months than seeing people conflate his comments on illegal immigrants with legal ones. It's always been about illegal immigrants and I'm not sure why people think it's been otherwise. If you're armed with the wrong information you can't properly address the conversation.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused about what you're talking about. The post above you states:
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
That's from the executive order. Where he doesn't specify illegal aliens or legal aliens, and per this) i'm assuming it includes, legal aliens who are "tourists, guest workers, legal permanent residents and student visa resident aliens". Or anyone on a visa that's not a green card holder I imagine. So a work visa?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does sanctuary jurisdiction mean? How about detainer? How do those two terms apply to this statement? Context is important.
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
Admittedly due to the ambiguous legal definition of just 'alien' some additional context would be preferred, but when I see 'alien' I assume 'non-citizen'.
But my point was that for all the things people like to make of Trump for, he's been pretty clear over the last 18 months that when he's talking about the consequences of immigrants that he's referring to illegal immigrants.
I don't see why we need to share such a bizarre, assuming article with a rather trash headline for clicks when Trump's comments to date are not ambiguous at all.
Maybe it's just semantics and falls under the same unfortunate ambiguity in this but legally being in America (e.g. work visa; here for work or business with no current intent on being an American citizen or assimilate into our society) doesn't seem the same as being a legal immigrant (Came to America from elswhere with intent to become or is now a US citizen).
I didn't vote for him and don't like him, but I like to give him the benefit of the doubt where it's owed. This isn't some issue he's casually passed off here or there or brought up just the last few months. 'Be harsher on illegal immigration' was a core part of his campaign.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outside of inferring the terms meaning. Alien can be residents who are here working and have applied for residential green card which can take years. People saw "alien" and inferred it meant all immigrants.
I haven't seen much proof that that word isn't what it specifically says and I don't know if those who read the document and enact it also take context into account before taking action in a way they understand it. I figured they would do the literal word of what is written.
Maybe a lawyer can help me understand how this would actually be legally followed.
As an immigrant who's now a naturalized citizen, I don't want people to associate immigrants with being felons. Itll be harder on my parents who still retain their accents.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is the problem and has been for almost 2 years now. People trust the liberal media far too much to read what Trump wrote or said for themselves. You should check out No Agenda its a podcast I think you would dig it.
Yeah, Trump is going to publish a document of crimes committed by people who are legal citizens. Right.
Do you not realize how much you've plugged your own ears? You know he doesn't mean immigrants in general, but you want it to mean that so you can feel validated in calling him Hitler.
Jesus Christ you guys you don't have to like him but he's not remotely close to Hitler.
Tmazza21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:32:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only says it doesn't specify it does NOT say all immigrants. Don't be mislead by this person's comment. This is specifically targeted at sanctuary cities and is clearly for illegal immigrants only.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:52:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch out that I don't sneeze on you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clever.
DangHunk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:58:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike you.
ALL criminals should be named then right?
Ass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
Syliase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, immigration laws of the state trump federal. Also, illegal immigrants are not nearly as rampant a problem as xenophobes like yourselves keep spouting it out to be.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So then what's the problem? No crime will be reported in these sanctuary jurisdictions!
Syliase ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that this promotes xenophobia and racial profiling. The problem is that you are excluding crimes committed by other (specifically, people like yourselves) demographic groups on the extremely biased and racist belief that immigrants are somehow 'worse'.
You do not get to mock the issue here because you refuse to acknowledge the bigotry in your beliefs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so Mexican is a race?
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Syliase ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I know what 'xenophobic' means because I have been a victim of it, as a brown person who is frequently racially profiled as a Latinx. So, yes, the more y'all keep spreading lies and hate about brown people, the more brown people will be feared.
That said, sure, the federal government's responsibilities with immigration policy are generally seen as more 'potent' under the supremacy clause, but local and state governments can and will continue to resist because the singling out of a single demographic on the basis of racialized profiling is un-American. It is absolutely xenophobic to be afraid of immigrants--it is absolutely racist because you are singling out a single demographic on the basis of their race while ignoring all other problems and dumping unwarranted blame upon them. Let's face it, you're singling out Latinx people because you're afraid of them due to your own illiterate bigotry.
I don't think we are talking about the same document
The constitution has been borrowed from by every major democratic society on the planet.
Clearly it has merit. The fact you can't see it.. well just goes to show you share more in common with the Cuba and Venezuela of the world than western society.
You should probably move to one of those nations.
Syliase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that moment when someone runs out of arguments so they try to twist history.
Pretty sure that the Consitution was written in 1787 which, John, do you even know how to google?
Also, Rick, every "major democratic society on the planet" at the time...were all oligarchical monarchies? If we're talking about 1787 of course, but you know, maybe we're not talking about the same Constitution.
And aww, look, Bobbie can't make good arguments so he resorts to racism! Tsk, how typical.
looks like they're taking the "orange hitler" meme to heart
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:33:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They had so many Saudi funds left over they decided to campaign for Trump.
I love the attitude of this sub. Wins more votes for Trump than Trump could ever hope to win through campaigning.
A lot of people voted for him simply to tell people like this lot to shut the fuck up. They didn't vote for Trump, they voted against the mentally ill left.
So you're telling me that you voted for Trump only out of spite? You cut off your nose to spite your face... and are proud of your nose-less face? How will you indicate nonverbally to people about keeping a secret?
Yeah it sure sucks having an economy that revitalized itself overnight. It also sucks having all you whiney "victimized" liberals screeching your wimpy lungs out. Oh wait my bad its fucking awesome. So awesome.
It also sucks having all you whiney "victimized" liberals screeching your wimpy lungs out. Oh wait my bad its fucking awesome. So awesome.
And this was literally my entire point. You seem happier and more concerned about causing butthurt than policies. I'm not even American, I could care less but it would take concerted effort.
And a bunch of working stiffs with college funds and 401Ks but fuck them right reddit. It is your arrogance that makes us sick, you are not better or worse but you are all being assholes. Cut it out.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stock market is not a good indicator current employment rates, or the economy. At most you could say confidence is up, but even that would be a stretch.
Explain why I should. Why someone shouldn't talk about a country with the largest economy in the world, with far reaching consequences. Your country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for non-Americans talking about your politics
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be a {insert whatever Donald thinks is bad today}. /s
I suggest you learn about American Revolutionary War and the how France is the reason your fight for independence was successful.
I kind of find it funny I seem to know more about your countries past then you. But in your defense, I do have a penchant for world history.
"History cannot give us a program for the future, but it can give us a fuller understanding of ourselves, and of our common humanity, so that we can better face the future."
A lot of people voted for him simply to tell people like this lot to shut the fuck up. They didn't vote for Trump, they voted against the mentally ill left
You defined a vote out of spite as the reason for votes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're telling me every American went to the voting booth fully happy to vote for either candidate?
Of course their were votes out of spite. A hell of a lot of them. Doesn't mean it affected them one way or the other.
Technically a "strategic vote" isn't a spite vote, but I see the necessity for strategic votes as yet another sign of the broken 2 party system. But that's a different topic, though I would be happy to discuss.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Party politics should be banned. Everywhere.
That would be the general jist of that discussion from me and I'll doubt my mind will be changed on that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's mob rule. Party politics are a joke. People should be forced to run as the individual that most represents their region, so that would be by an election.
Then votes in Congresses and Parliaments and Houses etc.... will be the representative representing. Not voting for who the party told him to vote for.
Imagine how far the corruption will fall? It's easy to pay off a party leader, it's harder to pay off 150 individual representing their constituents.
Using ''Democracy'' and ''Party'' in the same sentence baffles me. Leaders of a group telling the rest of the group what to do and think and how to vote is not Democracy.
Ah, yes. The US needs to shift to preferential voting. Though I am not sure how it would work for the presidential election, for Congress and Senate it would allow people to actually consider 3rd party politicians. Politicians that better represent their ideals instead of being stuck with A for risk of B winning if you don't vote for A.
In the US if you are a person who is a social liberal but a fiscal conservative, there is no party that truly represents you. You are simply stuck with 2 'B' choices.
Because he is thoroughly incompetent, is alienating allies, and his policies will harm the country?
Just venturing a guess, here.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great guess.
Considering the closest allies are kneeling at his feet, his policies have helped the country and he's so incompetent he's got more done in a week than Obama did in 8 years, yeah a great guess.
You should tell everyone you know about it. Get the word out. Make sure everyone knows they're a dumb redneck if they disagree, that always changes minds :)
Considering the closest allies are kneeling at his feet
They're not.
his policies have helped the country
They haven't.
and he's so incompetent he's got more done in a week Obama did in 8 years
He didn't do anything more than sign papers, some with disastrous and ineffective policy. One would have to be an irrational fanboy to claim he's done "more in a week than Obama did it 8 years."
yeah a great guess.
Yes, it's a great guess. An amazing guess. My guessing abilities are tremendous.
You should tell everyone you know about it.
People already know about, which is why your idol is well on its way to becoming the worst president ever. Apparently, he's very upset that people don't like him. He though being elected president would bring him respect, instead he's the most contested new president in history - and the protests have only just begun.
Trump is a man-child, and so are his supporters.
Make sure everyone knows they're a dumb redneck
Why do you say "everyone"? Only a small portion of the people voted for him. He wasn't even able to win the popular vote.
Again, you're not very good at this. Very low energy. You should find another hobby (or, better, a job - though you might be a bit young for that still).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:34:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It appears they are sitting in a circle beating each others meat.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:59:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you two talking about, btw?
The comments in this sub. It's brilliant.
Keep up the great work You won't find me arguing with you.
Mardok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think of this article though?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lazy and boring. It contained 2 paragraphs of information and the rest was an opinion piece. Wasn't an article, was a blog post.
As for the issue. Trump needs to clarify that these lists only contain illegals and not legal and naturalised migrants. Listing legal migrants is totally wrong.
Mardok ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:33:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See that's a good response, I don't agree with you but I get where you're coming from.
If you want r/politics to be a better place you should engage more with people rather than just make the same old tired comments.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly never thought I'd see two people with different opinions being civil with each other on this sub. Good job
Notice how u/TheHamiwank didn't agree and try to mend fences? This is the type of shit I can't stand. You can disagree, but you don't have to be a fucking asshole about it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He extended an olive branch and you didn't reply to it. If you really felt that way, you'd, ya know, actually mend the fences.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. Desperation. I upvoted, what do you want a gushing response in agreement?
Get a grip will ya.
foodie69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man too bad he didn't follow through with his Saudi hatred right?? It's too bad he didn't add them to the list of banned immigrants... Wait a sec...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the only countries on that list are on the Homeland Security list of states that sponsor terrorism.
Are you suggesting we lump the other states in with the ones that sponsor terrorism?
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I see, ya got me good.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello? Hello? Sorry you appear to have gone silent.
I wonder why.
foodie69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm trying to sleep you dumb fuck now I'm restless browsing reddit. But it's nice that you cared enough to give me some love so late in the thread.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:09:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I stumped you 3 hours ago. And you've been very active since.
I think you're telling porkie pies ;)
foodie69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Lol
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:11:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have a look back at the convo. Did you forget?
You said something silly and ignored the response.
You made no rational arguments, thus they didn't require any kind of rebuttal.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:37:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you've managed to go 4 posts without an insult (You might have just set a record for leftists, good on ya) I'll help you along a little bit on this one.
The stumping I'm talking about isn't in this thread of comments.
In fact, because I'm so astonished you haven;t thrown an insult yet and you being a leftists makes this somewhat of a miracle, I will directly quote his silly comment and the stumping.
He said....
''Man too bad he didn't follow through with his Saudi hatred right?? It's too bad he didn't add them to the list of banned immigrants... Wait a sec...''
And I replied...
''But the only countries on that list are on the Homeland Security list of states that sponsor terrorism.
Are you suggesting we lump the other states in with the ones that sponsor terrorism?''
So, there you go, at least in your next comment you can know what you're talking about. No thanks needed. My pleasure :)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...implying that "leftists" always throw insults? In my experience, right-wingers throw just as many, if not more.
Look, the right might insult (personally, the astounding rate of mental illness in the left is something to be concerned about not insulted. Everyone deserves help. I don;t like that side of the right, guilty of it myself. Should be more understanding and accepting towards it.)
At least I'm being honest in my comments, while you aren't.
Yes I am. I honestly want you leftists to carry on like this exactly. Just because you don't like the reasons why doesn't mean i'm not being honest when I say it.
(personally, the astounding rate of mental illness in the left
That's an insult in and of itself. There is no evidence the rate of mental illness is higher among people on the Left than people on the Right. I'd say that, with this recent election where Trump supporters believed in all kinds of conspiracy theories, the argument goes the other way.
Yes I am. I honestly want you leftists to carry on like this exactly.
You're not being honest when you agree with what leftist say, as you have done numerous times in this thread.
Since you are clearly not an honest person, I see no reason to continue this. Have a nice day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah OK.
You're totally right. You keep doing what you're doing.
Glad to see you bailed on the Saudi discussion. Double stumping. 2 for 1.
The mental illness of the DNC rigging the primary for unelectable hillary. old 227
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhmmm.? Mental illness would imply there's no coherent thoughts.. I'd call that kind of shit evil but it's far from being "mental illness of the left".
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I really don't see how stating another thing about how democrats can obviously be nuts makes it so republicans aren't?? It's like when trump supporters still use Hillary as a deflect. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Dwighty1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people voted for him simply to tell people like this lot to shut the fuck up.
Seems like a horrible way to decide who to vote for.
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These people didn't vote with logic.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure.
Obviously the FAR right have it's psycho's but with how far off the deep end the general left are now, ''right'' has come to mean more anything not totally batshit.
If the pole stayed in the same place and we saw the shift on a graphic, the left would be so far off the left side of the pole you wouldn't be able to see them and the right would be more in the centre of the pole.
Yes there are extreme right wingers, but the numbers when it comes to total insanity isn't even close.
I predicted that Trump would not last a week in office. Well, he has been in office that long and has managed to freak out just about everyone.
Even if I were a supporter, I could not see him last long if he does not slow down. It is like he is trying to do everything he can before they yank him out of there.
Congress can impeach the president. If Trump does something extremely rash like drop a nuke on ISIS they will yank him out of there so fast it will make his head spin.
PadaV4 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you the guy who predicted that Hillary has a 99% chance to win? GJ! /s
The point is there is no need for this kind of list to be published by the POTUS. Not unless he's doing the same for gun deaths in the US by US citizens. But then that would go against his base and we can't have that.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:10:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't firearms deaths already tracked and widely publicized?
Tracked, yes. Widely publicized? No, particularly not on the level of the POTUS publishing a weekly list.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:54:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google gun deaths, it is tracked by the CDC and FBI, and God knows how many websites, I know every time I have any sort of pro gun stance on reddit, it is shoved down my throat.
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter, because that list serves no political agenda. Imagine the dems control congress and the White House, and they are instituting some massive gun control program and have called for a weekly published list of gun related deaths so as to politicize and push their cause. That would be the equivalent argument. The country would lose its collective shit
Furbush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh maybe he's doing it because our government has always refused to share the data even though they have it?
I bet if it were someone in your own family was killed by an illegal immigrant you'd be singing a different tune. Our government doesnt exist to help shelter illegal immigrants from a neighboring country. The governement's priority should be defense of American citizens. The fact they're trying to cover up the data should tell you there's a problem. You can get crime statistics about every other ethnic group
They are not trying to "cover up the data." Crime data is published for every crime committed. There's not some vast leftist conspiracy to cover up the crimes of illegal aliens, but there should also not be a president publishing a list of crimes by a specific demographic. That is not in any way what America stands for as a nation free for all.
Furbush ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you purposely ignorant or just uninformed? You can DEFINITELY find crime stastics broken down by each minority group. How do you think we know the rates of black on black crime? They dont publish illegal immigrant crime records. This isn't debatable
It isnt a conspiracy, it's a matter of fact. Just like how liberals in Europe don't publish migrant crime rates. You can find the overall data of crime surging, but never on migrants specifically.
America is a free nation for all Americans, not every person on earth. I know liberals like to think legal immigration is a crime against humanity, but it's how all our immigration ahould be done. Anyone can be an American if they go through the proper protocols, just coming here isnt the threshold for becoming an american. The American way isnt illegally sneaking in and avoiding the law
Fuck criminals. Fuck pussy border jumpers. It's cut and dry. Are you a citizen or not? If you are, great if not, get the fuck out no exceptions. I don't care how long you've been here or how much family you have here your not a fucking citizen and your breaking the law.
We have homeless and veterans on the street and hungry. We need to take care of them before we take on refugees. How can any sane person want to harbor and help another countries people but not want to fix our problems first?
Yes fuck criminals, but singling out one group and ignoring the other because the later is part of your base is beyond stupid.
We have homeless and veterans on the street and hungry. We need to take care of them before we take on refugees.
I agree, and I've been saying for years that we need to take care of shit at home before we can be the world police (you know, like invading Iraq). But I'm also not a heartless person who thinks that we should just chuck someone back to a place they were willing to risk their lives to escape, there's probably a reason.
Read the link maybe?? Like I don't know how someone can be on this earth and be so ignorant and plain dumb.
Majority of America loves our president and wants him to succeed. Maybe you should leave and go to Syria if America is so bad
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Trump does not have a 59% approval rating. I'm not sure what link you are referring to, I just read what you wrote.
DangHunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is 59 % approval rating and climbing
Lol idiot. You know we are also on the internet right?
Moron.
We get to criticize Trump, so fuck off.
This is not your safe space kid.
EVERYONE in North America who is not native is descended from immigrants.
Fuck you.
Let's not offend the criminals?
No, lets not NAME them, or we get to name EVERYONE.
Again, fuck you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reported for incivility
Golftrip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:29:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus you are SALT-EE in this thread. Hilarious. Hope you're in therapy cause it's gonna be a long 8 years for you unless you decide to start thinking critically and see that Trump is the man for us.
Oafus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jeez, I hope we actually get to the point where it takes critical thinking to to confront Trump's nonsense. On the bright side, at least we can count on him ushering in another 50 years of progressive and democratic rule as his unorganized, knee jerk and grab-asstic brand of leadership plays the iceberg to the Titanic that is today's conservatism. Unless of course, conservatives start to distance themselves from him... hmm
2ndprize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DangHunk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we now?
Fuck you. No coddling for you, regressive shit stain.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't need coddling. I am an adult and could care less for your insults.
The problem is with you having to coddle everyone down to criminals. You guys are mad because Trump is singling out a specific set of criminals. It's a start to combat criminals and you cry foul. Pathetic
Trump has 59 % approval rating and he banned muslims from extreme areas. I bet your seething mad about how whites are oppressing everyone hahah. You a nut job and you lost miserably facts. You lost the house, senate and president. So America wants this change.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:38:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BrakTalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been attacked in here before I threw one insult. Please read above.
The guy I called a moron didn't even look at the link I posted.
So my link is fake and yours is real? Their is so much disinformation going on it's crazy. Both sides and all media is contradicting. I have 0 clue what's true or false.
Again you are wrong. He wants to post lists of people in sanctuary cities that commit crime who are illegal. Hardly all immigrants.
I appreciate you not slinging mud and actually giving me a response that I can respond too.
The polls are so bad and untrue; use the recent election for example. The fact e still rely on polls for anything is laughable. I only posted my poll to show y'all the variances that are taking place.
Dude, he wants to post illegal immigrant crime in sanctuary cities. Only illegal immigrants. Why is there such an outcry for illegals ? They are not citizens
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:43:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If illegal immigrants commit a crime, they're deported. Trump just wants to post it to whip people up into a frenzy of hate. There's no other reason to do it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Posting a list does what? Besides sow fear and hatred?
Like seriously what good would it do? It's propaganda.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would show that we have a problem that needs to be fixed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then they should also publish weekly lists on crimes committed by non-immigrants, so that one has the full picture. Perhaps there is also an issue there we need to fix. Should we break it down into ethnic groups? Perhaps we should also have separate lists depending how many generations their family has been here?
Otherwise, this is propaganda. It's given without context or comparison so either the person delivering the message or the person receiving it will be the ones to define what it means. Without context they will likely be incorrect (or intentionally deceitful).
It's really unfortunate that you can't see this. What do you think the nation would have looked like if we started publishing the same lists in the early 20th century? They'd have been full of Irish, Italian etc. etc. etc.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point. The point is that these people shouldn't be here in the first place. They're undocumented, ILLEGAL aliens.
What do you think the nation would have looked like if we started publishing the same lists in the early 20th century? They'd have been full of Irish, Italian etc. etc. etc.
WRONG. Those groups immigrated legally. They became Americans. Do you not understand the difference between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant?
It's really unfortunate that you can't see this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the law doesn't state illegal immigrants. It can be applied to all immigrants.
And there were plenty of 'illegal' immigrants back then. And many of them were UK/euro. And many committed crimes. Hell, many started or joined gangs.
And quite a few of us are their descendants.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just simply false. It clearly states aliens. Read the physical order, not some opinion article try to interpret a three sentence paragraph.
From Merriam-Webster: Definition of alien- "relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, which is why the typical preceding term 'illegal' is an important distinction that is left out here. Because legal immigrants can also be aliens, as they still retain citizenship elsewhere. They are referred to as 'legal aliens'. If they obtain residence, they are 'resident aliens'. In the US, from a legal standpoint, until you are a naturalized citizen you are an alien. So this order applies to ALL immigrants who have not obtained citizenship.
So, yes, it clearly states 'aliens', but you don't know what that means.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess technically, yes you could call a legal immigrant an alien. But I've never heard anyone use the term alien to describe anyone but illegal immigrants, I feel like it's implied. I'm sure this will be clarified in the coming days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not implied in law. And this is law. You can't 'imply' things in law. It has to be made explicit.
We have legal definitions of what constitutes an alien. I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't know this when crafting the legislation.
urgassed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. They only use the word illegal in the statement of their 'purpose'. They would need to state that any further references to 'alien' are a reference to aliens who have entered the country illegally. They do not even imply that the laws only apply to them, they simply make a statement that 'aliens entering illegally are a threat'.
They do not make the distinction in the relevant subsection, leaving its application open.
(b) To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.
This is where they define their list, and they do not explicitly state 'illegal aliens'. Laws need to be explicit.
This is frightening legislation.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wants to specifically single out immigrants.
No, don't you understand this applies to ILLEGAL immigrants, not all immigrants? Stop just glancing at headlines and read the actual article.
The list is to show how much illegal crime we have. I have 0 clue how much? Do you know? I think it'd be a good idea so we can gauge where we are at and determine how big of an issue this is.
Again this affects people in this country who are not citizens. Illegal aliens.
I swear it seems like some people want to coddle and give them more rights than citizens
You're confused. So called sanctuary cities already deport illegal aliens who commit crimes. I do love how angry you Trumpsters are at the cities who create the vast majority of wealth in this country. Trump is about to give us a huge tax cuts too, which is great. Time for is to spend more money on our cities rather than send it to the mooching red state leeches.
They harbor illegal aliens. We don't want illegals. America has spoken by electing Trump. We need to eradicate illegal migration here and stiffen prison sentences to the leeches.
I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree with you. Sanctuary cities are evil and against the law. We need to eradicate them all. You know 65k illegals graduate high school every year?
It really do t matter what I say or you say. It's happening. America has spoken and no more sanctuary cities.
Your done harboring the criminals. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. You lost. Your done. America wants patriotism and no illegals here. No open borders. Your done. You lost. Get over it and adapt or move
lol. I love how angry you guys get. Even when you win--still such rage. hahaha
You're going to have to send in the feds if you want this mass deportation you so desire. And, sure, Trump can do that. It's going to fuck the economy though and that will hurt you guys in the Trump states too.
I am persistent. It's a trait of successful people and winners. I don't let losers talk over me
How will sending illegals away fuck up the economy. I'd love to hear this brain buster.
You care more about illegal peice of shits than actual citizens. Have so god damn pride in America boy. Remember D DAy? Remember ww1 and 2? Those are the patriots and who we need to remember. Not some illegal fuck or a bitch who wears a hijab throwing up ISIS signs
No, successful people remain calm and don't get worked up.
How will sending illegals away fuck up the economy.
Do I really need to explain to you how losing millions of workers and consumers at once will fuck up the economy?
You care more about illegal peice of shits than actual citizens.
No, I just don't let my emotions get in the way of thinking about what's best for the country.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What don't you understand? These people have already broken the law by being here illegally, that's grounds for deportation right there. But sanctuary cities are safe spaces and they don't prosecute them for that alone. Any crimes on top of that are just icing on the cake for deportation. The citizens of sanctuary cities deserve to see the crime committed by illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants who commit crimes are deported. No one is saying they shouldn't be.
You still haven't made any case for why there needs to be a list published. They're being deported already. No one is saying they shouldn't be.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not always deported and unfortunately for some that are, they end up back here thanks to the presence of sanctuary cities. (See the Kathryn Steinle case in San Francisco).
This law gives the public exposure to the crimes committed by illegal aliens, thereby putting pressure on the law enforcement to follow through with permanent deportation.
Quinn Epan, economist, Time, CNN all have him below 45%. If people realizing that your cherry picking data and using alternative facts makes them morons then cool. You gullible child.
I'm showing you a poll from yesterday. Your the gullible one. You believe facts that fit your agenda and dismiss ones that don't. I'm open and have stated twice that their is so much dis information going around right now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding criminals or persecuting criminals isn't worth what these actions will do to the fabric of your society. Criminals will always exist in a society that has free people. Criminals don't exist in a society of slaves.
Trump had a 36 % approval ratings. But sure cherry pick the 15 point outlier. Act like an adult all you want your just parroting obviously dale alternative facts.
I love how I post a poll and you just call me wrong and not post one? Your either a shill or just ignorant and ignore.
I gave you facts yo! By the way. Polls are garabage. If they were any good CLINTON would have been president. So I hope you die or widen up you cucky
Your a baby. A bottle he baby. You can't cope with democracy. You lost baby. No participation award. You lost. Okay. Your a loser in this race. Get over it. Baby
potato1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than citizens. Our country would have less criminality if we literally replaced all Americans with Mexican illegal immigrants.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just illegals, but immigrants commit more crimes than citizens
What problems? Is there any sourced information suggesting illegal immigrants are more likely to commit a crime?
Further, in the past decades, illegal immigration had been at the lowest levels it has in decades. Very few people cared about it in the last two elections. Obama, Romney and McCain all had the opportunity to speak to thousands of people during their respective campaigns, and illegal immigration barely cracked the top ten of major issues four years ago, and the top twenty right years ago.
Despite the fact that illegal immigrant is less of a problem now than it ever has been, you have been told to worry about it, and are buying into it. The facts don't support you. Fear mongering and divisive rhetoric is working.
No one is saying they want crime or criminals in this country, legally or illegally. But this is a distraction from the real crimes occurring - at the level of corporate profit hoarding and hedge funds.
Maybe you should back up what you say with facts instead of feels.
Ncusa17 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:35:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even need to read the article to know this is fearmongering
leditgo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:39:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fear mongering???!! Dude, read the fucking executive order. It is literally in writing. The publishing of a weekly updated list of crimes committed by aliens.
Sure they are. Frightened of Mexicans coming across the border, afraid of terrorists sneaking in among refugees, etc.
The only reason for this publication is to make people believe the criminal rate of aliens is higher than that of non-aliens, which is in itself false (illegals tend to keep a lower profile in order to avoid being deported).
This is stoking fears of xenophobia, pure and simple. It is manipulation by someone who cares more about himself than about his countrymen.
The frightened ones are the ones rioting and throwing tantrums and screaming about Hitler right now.
They're not frightened, they're angry, and rightfully so. You dismissing them as "tantrums" suggests you're frightened by this opposition, too.
Face it, you bet on the wrong horse.
SVTBert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they are.
Nope.
Frightened of Mexicans coming across the border,
Following the laws isn't being "frightened". I'm not "frightened" when I follow other laws. It's called BEING A LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN, something which illegals aren't. Try again though.
afraid of terrorists sneaking in among refugees, etc.
That has been a legitimate concern, though, not just fear mongering. Unless you just want to ignore all of the attacks that keep happening.
This isn't about being "frightened", in this matter it's about common sense foreign policy. Even Pope Francis believes every nation has a right to control its borders and who comes in and he's like the most liberal pope yet.
The only reason for this publication is to make people believe the criminal rate of aliens is higher than that of non-aliens
"I've never taken a statistics class in college and I don't understand how crime statistics work" - You.
This is stoking fears of xenophobia, pure and simple.
All of that is in your head. Literally. There's nothing xenophobic about it, it has to do with crimes, not race or origin of country. We have NO problem with legal immigrants with proper documentation who follow the correct path to citizenship. But you seem to overlook that when it suits your hole-ridden arguments.
They're not frightened, they're angry, and rightfully so.
You're funny. The ones following law and order in this country are "frightened", but the ones who are out looting and rioting and screaming their heads off that Trump is literally Hitler aren't. Too funny.
But do go ahead, because this should be entertaining, tell me why they are "rightfully" breaking things.
Tell me what Starbucks (who donated to Hillary) did to deserve having their windows broken by anti-Trump rioters. Were rioters "angry" at Starbucks for supporting Hillary? Or do you think that maybe Starbucks had nothing to do with it, and that rioters were just breaking whatever they could, and maybe it wasn't rightful, and was maybe a bad thing.
Tell me what that Limo driver, who now can't afford another one for work, did to deserve his limo getting trashed. None of them had anything to do with Trump, and now they have to pay for damages and an increase in their insurance premiums thanks to a bunch of whiny children who can't act like adults, and instead decide to start throwing trashcans around and setting things on fire. Were the rioters rightfully angry at him?
Go on. Justify their behavior.
You're excusing this behavior and calling it "rightful" yeah, you are mentally unstable.
No.... He's going to publish a list of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. If reddit can distinguish between all 107 genders, why can't we distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?
DrChez ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:25:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you read this? Because the text of the order specifically states aliens, the word "illegal" isn't mentioned once. You folks need to pay attention and stop assuming shit.
Under federal law, any non-U.S. citizen is analien.ย Aliensย who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law asย illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate.
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...okay? The point is the order did not specifics illegal, therefore they could be collecting and publishing information on legal aliens
Donald Trump is going to wash his ass. Hitler did the same. You can find anyone doing almost anything and there's a good chance Hitler may have done it too. Hitler ordered policies to help German farmers, but nobody compared Dubya to Hitler when Ethanol from corn was being hyped up. It's like everyone wants to see him become a genocidal maniac. Like they can't wait for it and want to help him along and make sure it happens so they can be proved right. Can't we just enjoy having a bumbling Nero without having to turn him into Hitler? We can skip that brass ring, America. Let Hitler be number 1 at that. Or Stalin. Or Kahn. They all killed ungodly amounts. So far Trump has yet to make good on shooting anyone on 5th avenue.
The difference is that Trump fits the mold of a fascist unlike Bush or Obama. His campaign was driven by creating an us vs them worldview and blaming America's problems on outsiders. His campaign was defined by kicking out immigrants, building a wall to keep out foreigners, banning muslims, blaming free trade and thus other countries for our economic woes, and defeating ISIS.
It is also fueled by conspiracy theories and the belief that he alone can fix the woes of the nation. For examples of conspiracy theories, we can look at him saying:
-All the polls are rigged against me
-All of our intelligence agencies are wrong or conspiring against me
-Climate change is a Chinese conspiracy
-3-5 million illegals voted
-Obama wasn't born in America
-The media is conspiring against me.
-His supporters claiming Hillary had a DNC staffer assassinated
-His supporters claiming Angela Merkel is raising a secret EU army
-Oh and let's not forget vaccines cause autism but BIG PHARMA doesn't care.
1) What his supporters claim has nothing to do with how I judge him. I voted Obama twice and didn't judge him on the thoughts of black separatists. There's a man who runs for President who wears a boot on his head. We got all sorts here.
2) He did NOT only blame our problems on outsiders. He called out everyone, often by mentioning his donations to them. He called out the system like Bernie did, and the people who wanted that, went with trump. And, like Bernie, he rightfully called out free trade. I DO think his Americanism, and identity based on nationality not race, made a lot of people here feel like he was doing an Us vs. Them, but for others it struck a chord. I've had family here since the 1860s. At what point do i get to be "American" and not from 12 different countries? We're almost 250 years old as a nation. At what point do we begin to have a national identity the same way France gets to have one, or Japan? At the inauguration, he said let us all come together, black white, brown, as Americans. The Media missed that, choosing to focus on the "American Carnage" line and then lying and saying Trump didn't even call for unity during the speech. He called for national unity, not photo op unity.
3) He did not say "kick out immigrants" or "build the wall to keep out foreigners". It's all about the ones who came here illegally. I do not understand why people find that concept so hard to grasp. They had no right or permission to immigrate here in the first place. Trump has two immigrant wives and an immigrant mother and grandfather. He has views on the topic of illegal immigration. People who don't like those views and the inconvenient truth of his immigrant family then have to fall back and say "oh, he's only against black or brown immigrants" - but he's not. It's illegal ones, and he's been consistent on that.
4) The "muslims" remark has been walked back, and has to do with nations that sponsor terrorism or foster it. If you have a good agrument to make against vetting people who want to come here from nations that foster extremist religious violence, then make it. Make the case for just letting anyone in, security be damned. I only wish he had added Saudi Arabia to today's list.
I'm with you on his conspiracy theories. I really do believe he's the product of someone watching TV all day. This opens you up to potential conspiracies, or lazy thinking. Great example - That "racist" quote of his about the black getting shot when they go outside, crime , drugs, etc. - Well, do you ever see black neighborhoods NOT portrayed that way on the news? It's "American Carnage" out there, according to cable. And if Al Sharpton goes on CNN to talk about black issues, that's what he brings up. But the news media don't tell Sharpton he's got it all wrong and he's racist for saying it. Nor do they report on the good stuff. That's part of his/the nation's current conflict with the media - It's based on finding scandals and controversies and plight, even if there is none to find. And people have always felt a little lied to, so when they see Trump talk about what they too see on TV, and then the same media that's been telling them that about black neighborhoods does a complete 180 and says Trump is wrong, people notice. When he's talking about illegal immigrants, and the media says he meant all Mexicans and that 'illegal" is a racist slur, people notice, and they stop listening to the media, and start looking elsewhere, like blogs, for information. Everyone has shares in the corporation that is this mess.
That's fine but my point is fascism is demonstrated in part by how supporters view their leader.
He did not only blame outsiders, but they were the primary focus of his campaign. You are correct in that I neglected the "rigged" system but that honestly plays into the fascist narrative too. Don't trust the mainstream media, or any of the other politicians, or democratic institutions, put all your faith in me.
Well actually he did say he wants to kick out the immigrants. Then he said just the criminals. Then he said well maybe all of them. It doesn't really matter. The point is that he makes brown people into a huge fucking issue when they are barely a net negative on the economy, if at all. It's just such a tiny issue and yet it was the theme of his campaign.The wall isn't going to make a meaningful difference. America will not be significantly more or less prosperous because of the border wall. Yet, this was arguably the single most important part of his campaign. It's funny that is what he focuses on and what his supporters get worked up about.
He's dramatically decreasing the amount of refugees we will take in and I believe there is actually a blanket ban on Muslim immigrants right now from certain countries.
I'm fine with vetting people, but it's just such a non issue. First of all, it's not like we weren't vetting people before. Second, you are probably more likely to die by slipping in your bath tub than killed by a terrorist. But again, it's interesting that this is what he and his supporters focus on.
He did not only blame outsiders, but they were the primary focus of his campaign. You are correct in that I neglected the "rigged" system but that honestly plays into the fascist narrative too.
Ever hear the phrase "It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you?" It may correlate with the "facist narrative", which I think is a laughable term, but it is not causation. It doesn't make a certain way just because you did a thing. If I suck a dick, it might fit the notion that I'm gay, but it could have actually have been done for crack. The system really was rigged. That wasn't Trump's fault, that was the DNC. That was the media with familial and financial ties to Clinton and the Dems, who helped along her 'pied piper' strategy. If there is a 'fascist narrative', it certainly doesn't have a chapter where they laugh at you all the way to the White House in between calling you Hitler.
Well actually he did say he wants to kick out the immigrants...The point is that he makes brown people into a huge fucking issue when they are barely a net negative on the economy, if at all.
Illegal immigrants. Say that first word please. This is part of why people don't trust the media. Trump says "illegal immigrants", the media says "Hispanic" then "Mexican", then if they back off that they say "immigrants". Stop trying to enlarge the group so it fits you "narrative" about racism. What is so hard about admitting that people here illegally are breaking the law? Technically they are ALL criminals. And "brown people"? The only ones who ever say that term are the ones doing it to complain about Trump. Why are all the slurs and violence coming from the anti-Trump side? Just make an argument for not throwing out the illegal immigrants, that's all i ask. Make an argument.
Negative on the economy? 24.6 BILLION sent yearly, tax free, never to return. That's CNN, from yesterday. Plus, you have actual jobs that they take(which people will actually do), the cost of services they use while here AND the abuse of undocumented labor erodes the hard earned rights of America's working class, such as a 40 hour work week. You'll often hear they have a "better work ethic" which means they don't mind 60 hour weeks with breaks. It means they'll be abused and overworked willingly so they can send money home. They aren't joining unions and demanding healthcare.
He's dramatically decreasing the amount of refugees we will take in and I believe there is actually a blanket ban on Muslim immigrants right now from certain countries.
They are going to halt immigration from specific countries, all of which have something to do with terrorism, which I have no problem with. AND, they have said over and over again that it's until we can find a way to properly vet them, it could be 6 months. As for refugees, I have no desire to take them in. Certainly not the men of fighting age, who should have been in Syria doing that(or were and now want to be here?). I might be ok with taking the women and children temporarily. Other than Syria, all the other "refugees" are not "refugees". They are "economic migrants". I sympathize with their plight, but have no need for their services, and I know those dudes aren't all 14.
Second, you are probably more likely to die by slipping in your bath tub than killed by a terrorist.
The president can't do anything about bathtub falls, and their aren't as dramatic on the news like when a building falls down or a crowd explodes. More importantly, it not about the body count, it's about the ethos behind the cultural arguments being played out on the world stage. Osama Bin Laden didn't want to kill Americans, well, he did, but his actual goal was to make us spend trillions of dollars going to war with them so we would bankrupt ourselves. He knew he couldn't win, but he could make us bleed, and we did. The whole strategy is "we can keep doing this for hundreds of years, but you can't keep spending that way for that long." Trump doesn't want to be involved in the middle east at all, and neither do I. I'm good with that, they can keep their strife. Trade is fine, but they can handle their own internal affairs thanks.
But again, it's interesting that this is what he and his supporters focus on.
Fox News always says "it's interesting" when they want to imply things. But it's not really interesting at all. Everyone focuses on different thing. Make up a typical Hillary supporter - Maybe she tweeted #OscarSoWhite last year? Nation has about 12% black Americans, and movies have like 5 main characters on average. So that's 0.6 black people per film, before taking into account clustering in black movies like Medea. Hundreds of films are made every year, and four or five are nominated. Statistically, a black person should be nominated for Best Actor/ress every 2.5 years. It's the statistical norm that they aren't. But it's interesting that Hillary supporters focused on racism as the cause, like they had an agenda based on their personal experiences or something? That couldn't be the case right, and certain not so for Trump supporters. (Do I need the /s there?) I mean, everyone does this. You can pick any issue and add a bogey man. The White Devil, The Muslim Devil, it's all the same. If people want to get overworked by it, they will find a way.
There are certain things that Hitler did during early on his tenure that were indicators of the atrocities to come. Washing his ass was something that Hitler did, no doubt. But that was not considered and indicator of anything.
Something different - publicly vilifying Jewish people - is something that Hitler did that many people consider a precursor to actually taking more action against Jewish people. And all sane people agree that the actions he took at the end of his tenure were bad.
Trump has never killed a group of people. However, as somebody that is early on in his tenure, Trump sometimes he takes an action that is similar to an action that dictators also took early in their tenure.
With "indicators" I am very suspicious of who judges what an "indicator" is, because it can be manipulated, and try to avoid mixing up correlation and causation. If we're debating immigration, which we are, then a crime list might help his cause. It's "propaganda" to those who disagree, but to those who agree it's a data point to reference. It's an argument they are making. Furthermore, I MUST state the Trump did NOT vilify "mexicans"(which then magically became all "hispanics") or "muslims". He is against illegal immigration(me too, and I'm Hispanic), which is illegal, as in they commit a federal crime when coming here illegally instead of doing the legal paperwork. He is against radical islam(me too), and doesn't want to let just anyone in. The difference with the Jews was they weren't sometimes hijacking a truck and running over a couple dozen people in Berlin, or shooting dozens of German coffee haus patrons. The Jews weren't sneaking into Germany and working off the books, tax free, and sending the money outside of the country(Not like anyone wanted those deutchemarks then anyways, which is another big contrast). The Jews were legitimate victims. Illegal immigrants and terrorists are not legitimate victims, and hispanics and muslims are not the target. I'm so sick and tired of this "Hitler" bullshit. EVERY president in my 37 years has been compared to Hitler. People were calling Hillary Hitler, and Trump Hitler last summer. Enough already until you have a pit full of bodies to show me(speaking of which, where's the Hitler cries at Mexico for executing a school class full of kids last year?). What have we had, 10 billion or so people since the dawn of time and ONE Hitler. ONE. I can't wait until everyone born before 1950 is dead, so we can finally have a new historical reference point. I'll start taking this bullshit seriously when Alec Baldwin is in jail and not mocking Trump to broad acclaim in the nation's papers.
You make good points and thanks for the measured reply with actual thoughts instead of something like "salty tears."
Let's leave Hitler's name out of it. You are correct, it is inflammatory and detracts from the real issue. The issue, as I see it, is that he is choosing a segment of the population to dehumanize.
And here is where we differ. You believe that Trump wants to deport criminals only. That might be his intent, it might not. I believe that he wants to get rid of latinos and muslims. Why do I believe that? Because that is what the public sees when it sees this list. And Trump knows this.
You say that "'mexicans' magically became 'all hispanics.'" There is nothing magical about it. People, whether through ignorance or willful racism, will conflate illegal Mexicans with all hispanics, and terrorist sleepers as all Middle-Easterners. That, to me, is fact and not opinion.
Let's choose an ethnicity that you can identify on sight. Let's say "Asian" just because it's kind of benign at this moment news-wise. Publish a monthly list of crimes committed by Asians and pretty soon people will stop trusting Asians.
Trump wants to get his way. He's being advised by a man (Bannon) who wants America to be more European for whatever reason. He's selling the idea that illegals (hispanics) are inherently criminal.
Illegal immigrants (all of them, kids moms grandpas) are criminals. They need to go. That is not true. But that's not even the point. When people see this list what they compute is that ALL HISPANICS ARE CRIMINALS. And that's exactly the message that I think Trump wants to convey.
That is why we disagree. You believe that Trump legitimately wants to stop a crime from happening. I think that he is trying to round up and get rid of a specific ethnicity.
Now, I feel a little disingenuous conversing with a person who is Hispanic what I think about this. It affects you far more than it will ever affect me (white guy here). I understand if you don't answer, but personal question: Have you noticed any change in attitude towards you since Trump was elected? Just curious.
I voted Johnson, donated to Bernie, bought a Trump hat. I'm my own person. And thank you.
You believe that Trump wants to deport criminals only. That might be his intent, it might not. I believe that he wants to get rid of latinos and muslims. Why do I believe that? Because that is what the public sees when it sees this list.
I believe that he wants to deport all illegal immigrants and that by coming here illegally you have committed a crime, which does make you a criminal. Me and the rest of the Cuban side of my family do not think he wants to get rid of all lations, and we know our dictators. In fact, he's always talking about "illegal" immigrants. Like he's making a point about a subset of people who perform a specific action? Then the media says "mexicans/hispanics" or just "immigrants". They don't specify and distort what he said. People see that and see the blatant falsehood then stop listening to them and thinking "maybe that blog is right about Trump". As for "the public" - You have no more claim to knowing the "Real Americans" in this herd of cats than the right does. YOUR public sees that. THE public sees many different things.
You say that "'mexicans' magically became 'all hispanics.'" There is nothing magical about it. People, whether through ignorance or willful racism, will conflate illegal Mexicans with all hispanics, and terrorist sleepers as all Middle-Easterners.
But it's not Trump making the mexican/hispanic switch, it's MSNBC and CNN. Joy Behar was saying "illegal immigrant" was a racist slur. They never spoke of immigration as an issue for debate, just as a flame point for race baiting. Trump said illegal(there's that important word again) immigrants come here and some commit crimes, which they do(as do all sorts of americans), and some rape and murder, which they do. Some of them have been deported several times already. But the media cried havok and let slip the dogs of racism. Trump never made the switch. He never said "deport all hispanics". But the news DID say "Trump wants to deport all hispanics" hundreds of times, if not thousands, until it was accepted as fact. As for the terrorists, well not all muslims are terrorists, but an incredibly high portion of modern terrorists are muslim. I'd be supporting a closer look at Irish immigrants if this was the 1980s.
Trump wants to get his way.
On that, we agree. Reading Art of the Deal right now, and I have no doubt he wouldn't have it any other way, and it's kinda fascinating to read now, because you see the same mental processes at work. As for Bannon and the hispanics thing - I don't agree that there is a nefarious scheme, or that a list of criminals makes everyone see all hispanics that way. I, for one, CAN differentiate between illegals and all hispanics. The people who have the hardest time seem to be on the other side. I do not understand why we can't talk about illegal immigrants without having to bring all hispanics into this. If Mexico was three nations, with three different types of people, would we be being racist towards all three? I think we just happen to have another large country that just happens to be the main source of illegal immigration. But it could easily be ten-fifteen countries, like Europe has. I understand what Bannon means when he says "I am a nationalist." because to me, it comes off as caring about your country, not hating other ones. It's isolationism.
I feel a little disingenuous conversing with a person who is Hispanic what I think about this. It affects you far more than it will ever affect me (white guy here). I understand if you don't answer, but personal question: Have you noticed any change in attitude towards you since Trump was elected?
None. I'm Spain-hispanic, and live in NYC. Cuba kept the races segregated until Castro, like America did. If anything, I use "hispanic" as my cover so people don't just call me racist as a reflex. But let me let you in on an open secret(if you lived South of America) - We're not actually talking about "hispanics", we're talking about Indians that speak Spanish. People in South America don't say they are "hispanics", that's a made up American term so we can lump together the brown people south of us. They're brown because they are partially a mix of black white and red(brown really). But down there, the indians are still shit on. The lower class. Uruguay's president is the first native president. The whiter classes are still on top. For me, as a "hispanic" the most racist thing people do is call us "hispanic" like we're all the same people, and tell me I'm not white like I'm an Italian immigrant in the 1920s. That's racist as fuck, and belies an ignorance of history. We all get taught in high school that Spain brought the pain. Heck, the recent surge of immigrants that started this was from Central America, but nobody bothers to not lump them all together. Whether you want them to go back or want to give them charity, it's just the same monolithic mass of brown people to all Americans.
You've given me a lot to think about my friend, and I have been thinking about it. You have more faith in people than I do. Regardless, please keep posting as I will be reading. You are the Trump supporter that I (and other democrats who were/are confused) have been searching for. You've laid out a lot of good reasons to stand behind Trump for now.
We disagree on our expectations of fellow Americans. I, sadly, don't expect most to give issues the intellectual understanding and nuance that you have. I feel like the racial subtleties of your last paragraph is an example of that (not trying to use your words out of context against you or anything). Most people don't understand the racial nuances.
We also might disagree on Trump's motivations. You are giving him the benefit of the doubt. I can't separate his poor speaking skills with his intelligence. I also can't tell what his real motivations are when he surrounds himself with people who have a bad track record with racial sensitivity (Bannon et al).
In any case, I'm going to be reading what you have to say.
At the end of the day, I believe in Captain America. I believe in US, and that's why I don't have fear.
You are the Trump supporter that I (and other democrats who were/are confused) have been searching for. You've laid out a lot of good reasons to stand behind Trump for now.
It's because I'm not a supporter of the person, but the nation. I'm a political junkie, this shit is my NFL. Presidential election is drafting the new Quarterback. But 2016, holy shit, Trump almost single-highhandedly changed the game from football to baseball. As I have seen many times since my first election in 2000(voted Nader) - The Democratic Party is better at choking than the 90s Buffalo Bills. They have a hard time winning races that get handed to them, and it's all their own fault. Wasserman-Schultz should be thrown out of the party for what she did. Only Bernie would have beat him, because both of them tapped into the Zeigeist of America, albeit tapped in from different ends. Hillary didn't even seem to notice it, or to campaign much at all. She was my Senator and let me tell you something - Hillary Clinton has NEVER won a real race. That was Bill. Hillary was First Lady, then handed a Senate seat once Giuliani got cancer and had to drop out. A local rep from Long Island ended up running against her. Her second race, I don't think she had an opponent. 2008? Well that should have been the ONLY time Dem voters had to tell her they didn't want her. Sec. of State? Appointed. The fact that half of her experience comes from her husband or Obama's diplomatic appointment of her to soothe the party, make that "most experience candidate" lie even worse. (Gen. Wesley Clark in 2004 was more qualified, for example. John McCain. The list can go on.). Democrats lose when they fail to believe in their own progressive principles, and instead move to the center. They can't win by trying to be the most Republican Democrat, they have to have self-conviction. And no more identity politics. Stop apologizing for everything. You ever see Bush or Trump or any Republican apologize? No, because it's a TACTIC, and a good one.
I can't separate his poor speaking skills with his intelligence.
I'm from NY, the Bronx, him from Queens. He sounds like a million other Queens mushmouths I've heard before. It's almost like a local dialect, but it throws off a lot of people.
One other thing I noticed - All his speeches, before during or after the election, he does the "Thank you god bless America" bit, then a song starts to play. What song? The Rolling Stones "You Can't Always Get What You Want", which is followed lyrically by "but if you try sometimes, you get what you need". That can't be unintentional. He may very well be the president we need not the one we want. 75 Years since the War. 25 since the Wall fell. How long until we need to change things? How long can the old order stand and still work in the modern world, or does it need to change and adapt for the times, as nations have always had to do throughout history? But with change comes fear, good fear, healthy fear, like you have before asking a girl out or stepping up to bat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course we shouldn't be calling Trump the next Hitler. But if the media draws similarities between bad policies of the Trump administration and Hitler's fascist policies, what's the problem? It's not like we're saying Trump is Hitler because they both wear clothes. Publishing a list of crimes done by immigrants is a policy employed by few developed countries and it's noteworthy.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald trump will kill people, we probably just wont hear about it.
smh....They all kill people dude, they all do. Some did it by hand before they were President, and then used that as a qualification for being President. Anyone who runs for President needs to be comfortable knowing that many people will live and die by the decisions you make. When the drone blows up a wedding on accident - the blood is on you, Mr. President, be it Obama or Trump or Space Jefferson of the Future.
Only because his ministry of truth won't tell us about it. Maybe if we're lucky he'll score some tips from Putin on how to murder journalists that hurt his feelings.
TylrLS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he can drone the arabs and deport the most Mexicans in US history and win a nobel peace prize like obama?
Keep in mind this likely won't be a list of convicted illegal immigrants. Any Hispanic arrested, but not yet tried, will be on it.
venomae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Executive Order N(whatver the number is now) - Police will be encouraged to do more frisking and racial profiling as these methods have been deemed outstanding and effective.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:58:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine how much better a place the world would be if Hitler had been assassinated during his first days in office.
Soviet union would still be around, and insanely powerful. Japanese Empire would be aggressively provoking Asia. Italy would be fascist. Europe would probably still be in a depression.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So according to you we should all be grateful to Adolf Hitler. No need to ask who you voted for.
Nice Strawman. Hitler was a piece of shit. Doesn't mean you can't look back on history and realize that the world is better off now than it would have been had there not been a world War 2 when it happened.
Three powerful and evil governments were taken out and replaced with peaceful ones. Europe is flourishing. Asia is flourishing. It likely wouldn't be like that otherwise.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You believe the world is a better place for having had Hitler in it. You're a Nazi apologist at best and an actual fucking Nazi at worst. Fascists like you deserve nothing but contempt. Blocked.
Holy shit you're a fucking moron. Not a single brain cell capable of critical thought in your head.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:27:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What on earth is wrong with you? The Black Death was an awful thing, but it sparked some ultimately good things afterwards. Oh well, maybe you're just trolling.
To say that, for example, "Soviet Union could still be around and powerful" isn't exactly pro-Hitler speech. It's very possible that would be true if Hitler had been assassinated.
EDIT: There could also be more fascism in the world. Maybe the Nazi ideology in Germany could've survived until the present under a leadership of someone else. We simply cannot know for sure.
How much more does Trump have to do before the nation at large sees what he is? The Muslim registry is the yellow star of our day and yet so many see no problem. Now this?
DAGRIT5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump eats food and breaths air...SO DID HITLER!!!
It always makes me laugh when idiots think the national socialist party was a socialist government form. Like did you not listen at all in high school history, did you not have access to the history channel or books? National socialism =/= socialism.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It always makes me laugh when idiots on Reddit try to correct me and embarrass themselves.
We are socialist, we are enemies of today's capitalist economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with it's unfair salaries, with it's seemingly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
-Bernie Sanders... wait... no... that was Hitler on May 1st, 1927.
Do you want me to tell you how he socialized construction jobs, education, healthcare, advocated for abortion, implemented stronger gun control, created a police state, and blamed the one percent Jews for all their society's shortcomings? Or do you understand you're fighting an uphill argument while towing your broken down moped behind you.
You guys love to change history. National Socialism =/= socialism, that is an outright lie conservatives have loved telling for years now. Because you guys hate facts, you just re-write history in your heads and try and pass it off as fact. But any scholar of history or political theory will tell you that what you said is just plain false. That dreamworld you live in must be something else, a dumbshit utopia where only the dumb survive. That's why you guys have been curtailing the teaching of civics and history in classrooms, an uneducated populace is a conservative one.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:35:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he uses politifact to back up his claim
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I didn't even read anything you wrote after I saw politifact.
Hitler's regime was a right-wing totalitarian regime with some minor left wing economic policies. A left-wing totalitarian would be Mao. Do you even know history?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's recap. Since taking office on Friday afternoon, Trump's has:
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
Frozen all EPA grants and forbidden the EPA from awarding any new contracts.
Placed gag orders on the EPA and USDA that forbids their employees from talking to the media about anything.
Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media about anything.
Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees.
The military and the Department of Homeland Security are exempted, of course.
Re-instituted and strengthened a global gag order on abortion information.
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy.
Nominated a woman who said she wants to eliminate public education to head the Department of Education.
Retroactively declared January 20, 2017 "National Day of Patriotic Devotion."
Nominated a man who wants to eliminate net neutrality to head the FCC.
Signed a bill that hikes FHA mortgage rates for poor people.
Signed executive actions to push through construction of the deeply unpopular Dakota Access and Keystone oil pipelines.
Ordered his press secretary to lie to the press about the size of his inaugural crowd.
Acted like a toddler at his first press conference as President, also at his speech to the CIA.
Said his first overseas trip might be to visit with Vladimir Putin.
Introduced the phrase "alternative facts" into the public discourse.
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had his press secretary double-down on the claim the following day, and now has Congress investigating his baseless claims.
Said in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News: "I've spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago, with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked them the question, 'Does it work? Does torture work?' And the answer was yes. Absolutely."
Claimed in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News that not a single one of the 3-5 million "illegal votes" he alleges were cast in the 2016 election were cast for him.
Threatened martial law in Chicago via a twitter post.
Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, which is something Hitler did.
Do you agree with most of that?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
So because it's not on the website anymore, that means he doesn't believe in civil rights or LGBT rights anymore despite what he said on his campaign?
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
There is a lot of controversy over Climate Change. I'll leave references so you don't think this is some grand Right Wing conspiracy. 123456789101112 this is in particular shows less than 45% of scientist believe in Man Made Climate Change 131415
And I would urge you to read more than the headlines, or have a quick comeback that is refuted in one of those articles.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
English is the most recognized language in the world and is the unofficial language of the US. Why have Spanish?
Frozen all EPA grants and forbidden the EPA from awarding any new contracts.
Probably because they've become partisan and have had a good amount of scandals under Obama? 123
And I just want to point out that Link 1 is EPA covering up environmental damage done by fracking..
Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media about anything.
Because every federal agency should be politicized right? Surely you'll want tweets from the EPA once Trump runs it, right?
Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees.
The military and the Department of Homeland Security are exempted, of course.
You actually said this. You really think we should drop our entire security system because the post office can't hire new employees.
Re-instituted and strengthened a global gag order on abortion information.
Because half the country doesn't believe in abortion. I don't care either way, but it's a politicized issue. Also, don't get pregnant if you don't want a baby.
Said his first overseas trip might be to visit with Vladimir Putin.
He also has a 70% approval rating in Russia. But I'm going to guess that you know nothing about Russia's relationship to China, or China's military expansion into the Pacific Ocean that threatens the security of 3 allied countries in the region. Surely Trump is just going to Russia so he and Vlad can hire hookers to pee on things.
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had his press secretary double-down on the claim the following day, and now has Congress investigating his baseless claims.
1 Oh look. He says that and then this study comes out. Surely his hyperbole isn't based in reality.
Threatened martial law in Chicago via a twitter post.
I didn't see where he threatened martial law, I saw where he threatened to send in the Feds. Honestly, it's a good idea. 123
I'm not going to go through every single point you made, I'm at work and have already shown that your objections aren't necessarily based on reason. I'm not saying Trump is a saint. The consensus with the right is that we voted for him over Hillary, now we need to watch him. The consensus on the left apparently is cry wolf as much as possible so that they get ignored after 6 months.
There is a lot of controversy over Climate Change. I'll leave references so you don't think this is some grand Right Wing conspiracy. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 this is in particular shows less than 45% of scientist believe in Man Made Climate Change 13 14 15
First study written by someone who doesn't believe that smoking kills people, and has no degree in science.
Second one supports climate change lol
Third one still doesn't cite any research
Fourth one is from 2009. There's been a lot more research since then and 2014, 15, and 16 have broken records set by any other year.
All of those just seem like articles about people instead of actual studies.
English is the most recognized language in the world and is the unofficial language of the US. Why have Spanish?
Spanish is the second most used language. Why remove it?
Because every federal agency should be politicized right? Surely you'll want tweets from the EPA once Trump runs it, right?
They sure as hell shouldn't be gagged.
1 2 That's why.
Even after reading those, I don't see the problem with what Obama did. Freezing hiring was just stupid.
Because half the country doesn't believe in abortion. I don't care either way, but it's a politicized issue. Also, don't get pregnant if you don't want a baby.
I have no argument to this if you think that way. You're just wrong.
He also has a 70% approval rating in Russia. But I'm going to guess that you know nothing about Russia's relationship to China, or China's military expansion into the Pacific Ocean that threatens the security of 3 allied countries in the region. Surely Trump is just going to Russia so he and Vlad can hire hookers to pee on things.
Russia is a dictatorship that kills reporters and uses propaganda to get approval ratings.
1 Oh look. He says that and then this study comes out. Surely his hyperbole isn't based in reality.
You might want to read this The author of the study that Trump is citing says that Trump is citing it wrong and that he never claimed anything like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, this takes a lot of scrolling lol
He also deleted an apology that was put up a few months ago for no reason. He's said TONS of homophobic things throughout the campaign. Holding a flag doesn't mean shit.
At this point, we're probably going to have to cite everything claim we make unless it's an opinion. My Opinion - I'm assuming that Trump is dictating orders to his administration and not doing all these changes himself so I'm inclined to believe his most recent statement on LGBT. However, Trump had to make a lot of deals to become president, and one of those was selecting Mike Pence as VP. I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Pence was pushing anit-LGBT sentiment. It's what makes the most sense.
First study written by someone who doesn't believe that smoking kills people, and has no degree in science.
Second one supports climate change lol
Third one still doesn't cite any research
Fourth one is from 2009. There's been a lot more research since then and 2014, 15, and 16 have broken records set by any other year.
All of those just seem like articles about people instead of actual studies.
I would ask you to actually pay attention to what I listed. Some are sources backing my claim, some are context to the argument some of my sources are making. Either way, it proves my point that there is not uniformity on the issue of Climate Change, especially Man Made Climate Change. Even if you're correct in Man Made Climate Change, IPCC and others have muddied the waters with data manipulation and scandals that it would be hard to tell what the truth is. Sources were in the ones above. Also, you can't just disregard articles about corruption in the Climate Change movement because they're not specific scientific rebuttals to climate data.
Spanish is the second most used language. Why remove it?
Because you're legally required to know English to become an American by immigration, excluding the anchor baby loop hole.
They sure as hell shouldn't be gagged.
They shouldn't be politicized at all is the point. As for the gag order, 1
Even after reading those, I don't see the problem with what Obama did. Freezing hiring was just stupid.
Donald Trump was elected by a majority of Republicans. Republicans do not like large federal government. Obama increased the federal government. What do you think Republicans want Trump to do? Government is horribly inefficient 1 .
I have no argument to this if you think that way. You're just wrong.
I think you're wrong. My opinion has always been that if the baby can survive outside the mother, killing it is the same as taking a human life. Babies can survive as early as 21 weeks 1 . So why let people have abortions after that period? Before then, it's moot and I don't offer an opinion, but I would follow human conscientiousness as the marker for the beginning of human life.
Russia is a dictatorship that kills reporters and uses propaganda to get approval ratings.
I would really want credible sources for that claim. I'm a fan of Russia. There is a gigantic divide in cultures, but the people are extraordinarily nice and humble. The government isn't some overwhelming figure there. I recommend that you go, but be sure to get an invitation from a hotel first. It's required.
You might want to read this The author of the study that Trump is citing says that Trump is citing it wrong and that he never claimed anything like that.
Well then why don't we have an investigation into California as a sample then? The worst it's going to do is make Trump look silly, and at best, it will fix voter fraud, which happens a lot more than was claimed prior to the election.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pointing out that there is a similarity in the action isn't calling him Hilter. You can say things are similar and that's why they are bad, not that he is actually Hitler.
jaap27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump ate breakfast this morning. Hitler did the same.
Ad Hitlerum at its finest!
deltadal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... Hitler did what this morning?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler did the same
God, this subreddit is such a fucking joke.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kyle273 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:21:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order reads:
To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.
so what? that doesn't change the meaning. What is the point of publishing such a list? legal immigrants and US citizens commit those crimes as well. It does nothing except to gin up hatred toward undocumented immigrants and push a narrative about how 'dangerous' they are when in fact they are not more dangerous than anyone else.
While Trumpโs discourse suggests waves of immigrants equals violence, scholars say studies donโt substantiate that message.
Research on immigrants and crime finds that immigrants are not more likely than U.S.-born individuals to take part in crime, said Christopher P. Salas-Wright, an assistant professor at Boston Universityโs School of Social Work.
"Again and again, we see evidence that they are not," Salas-Wright said. "In fact, itโs the opposite."
Studies show that for the most part, people who migrate are a self-selecting group who want to better their lives, provide for their families back in their home countries and who donโt want to risk getting in trouble with the law, said Kubrin, the criminology professor at University of California, Irvine.
The American Immigration Council, a pro-immigrant nonprofit, analyzed data from the Censusโ 2010 American Community Survey and found that about 1.6 percent of immigrant males between 18 and 39 years old were incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of the native-born population in that same age group. (The Census does not specify legal status.)
daner92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, so he can scapegoat them for all of our real or perceived problems like you know...oh nevermind...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scapegoat by reporting their convicted crimes? Illegal immigrants that murdered people? What gives you the right to say their lives are better than your countrymen's who were murdered, and try to force that belief on others?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:13:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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daner92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please make a list of what you perceive to be our top 5 problems.
If criminal immigrants crack the top 5, then you are being manipulated by those that which to vilify the other.
A9LH ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Hitler permitted any illegal immigrant to live inside Germany.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't permit it... that's why they're called illegal immigrants. Somewhere in the past 30 years we decided to stop enforcing the laws. That ends now.
Once again, fulfilling the role of Fascist Dictator
gavdaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does the list also include the immigrants who gave the natives smallpox and also kidnapped, enslaved, murdered them and stole their land? Or was that not all able to fit on the list?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:58:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike the natives, we are going to take care of the problem before it takes care of us
gavdaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SMH. Ho the hell did we get here? I'm still reeling. Doesn't anyone read a f*cking history book anymore. Oh, wait most Trump voters can't read anyway. As soon as he screws his base, which wont be long, it will be fun.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're in for an interesting 4 years here, years that will force us to stand up to Trump and his follower's bullying, controlling, probably sadistic behavior, and unfortunately, laws and executive actions. And completely unnecessary belligerence with both allies and enemies, except Russia for some reason. Plus all the rampant corruption, that's already out of control 4 days in. The clamp down on science, the press, plus personal attacks on "enemies" (anyone who disagrees with him or makes him feel sad). And more... We can only hope it won't last 4 years.
The damage Trump and his crew will do is going to be very real, and not good for us. We're going to have to live with the consequences of these extremely selfish, extremely entitled people who do not give a damn about us. We'll be stinking in their shit, and they'll be flying away in their helicopters holding onto sacks of money. Great deal we're getting here.
Why would we give over our fates in this country to these friggin' people? There are people out there thrilled with Trump's useless, expensive, and vindictive crackdown on immigrants -- these are people whose main interest in life is hating others. I've met them, total Trump diehards, they care more about hating and dominating other people to the exclusion of everything else in the world.
Why the fuck would we give all the power in our country, and over our lives, to these people? It's pure self-destruction, we're not going to get anything good out of this, unless you're really into this hate shit, or are incredibly corrupt.
It's a great time to be alive if you're one of those people, I guess. But that's not how I want things to be.
c1327745 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is going to drink water. Hitler did the same.
Ryepodz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay what can I do as I citizen to stop this
Baricuda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of nazi sympathizers in this threat all making the same Trump defense is friggin unreal. It's like he found the most socially outcasted, angst-filled, redneck white guy and cloned him millions of times.
Is he also going to do the things hitler did? These comparisons are just so stringy and pointless. I get it, Reddit is left, I would say I sway left as well. But come on people. BREAKING: Trump goes to the toilet! You know who else went to the toilet? STALIN AND HITLED AND PUTIN! It's crazy. I completely expect downvotes considering the subreddit but please just try harder next time? This shit is tackier than most T_D posts. This doesn't need to be a shitpost war
What I mean is, this headline really could of done without the Hitler reference. Trump isn't a nice guy in my opinion but he's not exactly Hitler. Calling him hitler is understating the crimes that Hitler did.
The Jews were not migrants- illegal or otherwise. They were, until the Nazis decided otherwise, legitimate citizens.
Not agreeing with what Trump is doing, just saying it's not an apt comparison. Trump doesn't even say if this is specifically about illegals, or just immigrants in general.
I've refrained from directly comparing Trump to Hitler for a long time. I was afraid of being the boy who cried Hitler.
But now it's real. Now we have an authoritarian in power, and despite his obvious disqualifications he's still got followers who justify his every move.
That's not a weekly report from the president of the united States and you know it. Quit being intentionally obtuse to try to win an argument. It's painfully petty.
MrTex007 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally would like to know the statistics of the crime rates concerning illegal immigrants. Yall get mad when Trump says criminals are coming over, let him prove his point so it can stop being disputed or prove yalls point, either way.
booobp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly after seeing what one of my European friends sent me of how fucked up and violent the the Muslim refugees are there, I feel like more people should support this guy. Even when I'm against this weirdo, I'm starting to side with him.
They breed like rats and anyone who's not of their religion is the enemy. They've fucked up India, but Hindus fight back since they have numbers too.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breeding like rats and viewing anyone who isnt their religion as an enemy applies to evangelicals as well.
Please, PLEASE, I beg you liberals, please keep comparing Trump to Hitler. It helps his reputation immensely and makes you all look insane. Mid term elections will be a breeze.
xoogl3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It helps his reputation immensely
Heh... yeah we know his reputation is amazing from the surveys asking people about his reputation. Tremendous reputation. The best... best ever. No president had a reputation like this.
XENOPHOBIA: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.
How is my comment this?
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Illegals are literally committing a crime 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
If you don't think that's xenophobic, I don't know what to tell you. However, are you going to address my actual point, which is that there is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants?
Do you realize that by standing on American soil, they are committing a crime? And they are standing on American soil 24/7. Therefore that is FACTUAL, not xenophobic.
Regarding your point, it does appear they used the term "aliens", which leaves some confusion. I believe it will later be clarified that they mean illegal aliens, not all aliens. But you're right, there is some discrepancy and I guess we will find out shortly. I didn't get to watch the press briefing with spicer today, so maybe it was clarified then...
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it will later be clarified that they mean illegal aliens, not all aliens.
Oh yes. I'm sure they didn't have any lawyers look over the wording at all. Grab a clue. It's intentionally vague.
Let's not so quickly move past the fact that I TOTALLY proved your Xenophobic comment wrong. You lost your credibility the moment you started inaccurately name calling.
Just wait, the media will freak out and ask... it will be clarified.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't tell the difference between name-calling and a description of your political position, huh? Trump wants to build a wall to keep Mexicans out. He wants to put Muslims on a registry. He has made it very, very clear that it's America first (ha!) and the rest of the world can get fucked. He's a xenophobe, and if you uncritically support his policies (which you appear to), so are you. Yes, it is an unpleasant word. But it's not name-calling - it simply describes an unpleasant worldview. If that's what you believe, man up and have the courage of your convictions.
You know, it's okay to be proven wrong and admit it. You still have provided no evidence backing up your claim that my post was xenophobic. And you will sidestep this again with your next response.
I have an open mind when I debate and when enough evidence is presented against my opinion, I will change it. Obviously facts aren't enough to change yours (specifically speaking about this argument), so why should I even try to debate you?
In closing, I did want to mention that America has a process, a set of laws, for allowing Mexicans, and anyone for the matter, to come in to our country. Trump does not want to build the wall to keep Mexicans out. I REPEAT, America (pre trump) has laws for allowing them in, and those laws will remain. They should be followed, because they are the law. That is why trump is building the wall. Because our laws are not being enforced. It's fact that many of these illegals have committed violent crimes, including murder and rape. These facts are why President Trump wants to build the wall. For the protection of American citizens. Please just think about what I said for a second! Forget about any political narratives and just look at this for what it is.
That's all I have to say about this so it's been a pleasure debating with you.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an open mind when I debate and when enough evidence is presented against my opinion, I will change it.
I admire that in a person, and that being the case, I ask you to look at some non-partisan information about what's happening. Going to the Whitehouse website and reading the actual text of Trump's executive orders would be a good start - you can find them under "Briefing Room". Read the wording and do some independent research on issues like climate change,Trump's gagging of the EPA, and the Mexico City Policy to counteract the spin you're being fed by the_donald.
This is just all too much. I just want a fucking mundane day. as a early 90's baby, I've done my part by voting. I've done nothing to deserve this. I voted against this as an act by voting for Bernie Sanders. Where am I going next?
hrlngrv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a list of all lawsuits filed against Trump and his children?
Would this list show convicted immigrants or just indicted immigrants?
We spend a lot of time talking about the terrible actions of Trump, but I find very few comments that talk about actions we can take to make the changes we want to see. Our words have to be backed up by action.
What are some realistic actions that we can take within our own neighborhoods and communities to start the grassroots movement and make our country the place it should be?
I want to see a collective Reddit brainstorming session on this.
SO... I hear all this talk but... what is to stop him FROM becoming another Hitler? Surely the GOP would eventually step up and prevent even the most grievous crimes being committed and call for impeachment, right? Like friends of mine see the
and wonder if one day we'll all be rounded up for speaking out.
Morial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this legal?
jaybigs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is it will be crimes of illegal aliens listed, so do these illegal aliens have any real expectations for protection under laws designed for legal residents and citizens?
But the order does not contain the word "illegal". "Alien" refers to a citizen of another country and has no bearing on whether or not they are here illegally.
I do disagree with this, I believe that this makes it seem like immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than citizens, or that we should stereotype immigrants as criminals....
However, I think putting on the Hitler comment on the end just takes away from any legitimate debate we could have about the issue
For years I hated whenever someone's criticism of a politician was that they were "Hitler" or becoming a "fascist dictator". It seemed like such a cop out and low hanging fruit.
And now I see it happening before my eyes and I wonder if I'm just as crazy to them or if this is all for real
Ok, I need a decent read on Hitler. Anyone have suggestions? I'm not really a history reader, and would not be wanting the most in depth tomb on him. But I really need to look at what he did to gain power, and about his early reign.
I havent read it myself, but someone at work mentioned hitler having quieted scientists early on. Any one know about that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone link me to evidence of this "The Criminal Jew" newspaper in the article? I can't find any mention of it anywhere else on the Internet except for this paragraph long article without any citations, and some picture without context or interpretation from this Christopher Hooton guy.
mohrme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well if you think this to the logical conclusion, then just about every crime will be published. my family immigrated in the 17th century, my husbands in the 20th. Very few of us are native.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this similar to the war on crime that has been conducted on the black population since slavery was abolished so long ago? I mean, I feel like the American government tried pretty hard to paint black people as criminals and then started a war against criminals.
If a country has things like 3 strike laws and minimum sentencing, than that country is already in a lot of trouble. But true, keep comparing Trump to Hitler, when your country has been doing Hitler like things for generations. Maybe look past Trump to the establishment itself.
Please, don't get me wrong, I am not a Trump fan. But I am a fan of truth and an enemy of propaganda. You can't just say look at what this guy did that was the same as this other bad guy, THE END IS NIE. Please be serious with these topics, they should not be taken so lightly.
Just my two cents though, I hope someone can put a nicer spin on things than I have. It would be nice to see a more apathetic side to this argument that wasn't written with as much emotion as mine was, hahaha.
Poeple are just waiting until it's too late to start doing anything...Just like they waited until Trup got elected to massively protest against him and his rethorics....Had they done this prior people would have been more devoted to not "not" vote because this election always had world changing stakes at it's results if Trump was to win....people Always reacting too late....Watch people won't do what's necessary until we hear he's gathered up immigrants or prisoners somewhere and gassed them somewhere in a blacksite just cuz he saw it in a movie or tv show...inline with where he gets all his policy ideas..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember what Dylan Roof said brought about his belief in white supremacy? It was that he'd googled "black crime", and found a bunch of white supremacist sites online.
I'm a bit torn about this, I know the government publishes yearly data about the demographics of crime for race, and Trump's executive order isn't much different than that. It's difficult to rail against having these statistics available, when I routinely look over the FBI crime stats.
If Trump had come out and said he wanted weekly reports on police accused of corruption, I don't think I'd have blinked. It's very difficult to look at this objectively. Despite that, this raises alarm bells, for the same reasons that the article's author mentions.
xoogl3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:24:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statistics vs lists. Huuuuuuuge difference. It's the difference between Google publishing something like "90% of men search for porn" vs "Here's a list of all men from Mariposa county who have searched for porn". All perfectly legal. But do you want to be on that list?
it doesn't matter. immigrants, illegal immigrants and citizens all commit crimes and there is no evidence to suggest that illegal immigrants commit more crime (other than being here illegally of course) than others do. It is simply meant to push a narrative that they are dangerous.
TylrLS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:36:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the Jews were legal citizens. Illegal immigrants are not.
Hewgag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also breathed air.... guess we're all Hitler.
Wow, so /r/politics has gotten so bad that the new sources are literally opinion blogs of Reductio ad Hitlerum
Why even have this subreddit any longer if it is just one huge circle jerk of people latching onto whatever they can find to confirm their own bias. Of course I know I'll be downvoted into oblivion for not joining in the circle jerk, oh well.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants or illegal immigrants? Leave immigrants alone, they are as true an American as any of us and should be welcomed. Illegal immigrants on the other hand can seriously go fuck themselves.
Edit: That's a great misleading title. Article says ILLEGAL immigrants and not regular legal immigrants. In which case I do not believe Hitler did the same, he was about keeping Germany "pure" as in no immigrants at all. In which case the article is complete trash because the premise is false.
Cyuen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? Because the article clearly state trump's statement did NOT CLARIFY whether he's targeting just illegal or including legal immigrants.
Can you read?
Daverost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants or illegal immigrants?
Illegal immigrants. It's always been illegal immigrants. No one has ever had any problem with legal immigrants, but confusing the two on purpose makes for an easy way to cry "racist" and stop a discussion from happening so people will do it anyway as an easy way out.
Babbit_B ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong. There is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
Babbit_B ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:55:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
ajt1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is wrong with this sub? I've seen at least 3-4 literal suggestions that someone should assassinate the President, all highly upvoted. Are you people really this delusional?
I mean my god, you cry fascism and then advocate killing your political opponents.
deadpear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
opponents
You misspelled traitor (maybe, lets let the intelligence people complete their investigation and determine he is culpable before we ask for the death penalty).
ajt1296 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is the biggest problem in American politics: demonizing the other side of the coin.
We're all on the same team, here.
deadpear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's establish that Trump is playing for our side before we pat him on the shoulder...he already called me his enemy once.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This week we are shining the spotlight on the son of an immigrant. This country gave him everything. Yet this individual has been accused of sexual assault by multiple woman, and he brags about his sexual exploits and how "they'll let you do anything" if you have money. This untermench must be sent back!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how about a list of all the crimes and fucked up shit white people do?
We see it all the time in our local paper, the police blotter.
Don't understand those who want to protect the criminals.
I remember when my credit card got stolen. The guy was using it to pay his cable and electric bill!!! WTF!!! I called the local police (in that state) and they didn't care. I had the guy's address!!! Called the credit card company and they don't enforce laws.
And so now our credit card interest is around 23% so we can cover for all these crooks.
But I don't mind if the crooks are stealing for their small kids. That'd be ok.
Literally Hitler. No really, Trump is LITERALLY Adolf Hitler. Trump is also a Nazi. No really he is actually for real, literally the leader of the National Socialist German Worker's Party. I'm serious. He is.
"Donald Trump is going to publish a list of crimes committed by immigrants. Hitler did the same"
"Donald Trump is going to increase the military budget. Hitler did the same"
"Donald Trump is going to enact a large infrastructure plan. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to provide federal maternity leave. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to establish free child care centers. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to nationalize healthcare. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to enact a gun registry. Hitler did the same"
"X candidate is going to Y. Hitler did the same"
There are many things Hitler did. Many of them are things liberals support, many of them were things conservatives support. News flash: not every little similarity between Trump and X candidate means X candidate is a genocidal racist. Not every little law Hitler passed was even a bad thing in and of itself
I swear, this sub is a total parody of itself
DrChez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little similarity
Good thing the whole tone of their campaigns were the same, right down to the blind nationalism and "believe me, I'll get it done"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to get to that point for you to do anything about it? The point is to stop it BEFORE it gets to that point, and this policy is a not so subtle first step in precisely that direction.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Godwin's Law exists for a reason.
Trump isn't going to kill 6 million jews... it's not going to "get to that point", ever-- so it'll never be something you'll need to stop. It's just fear mongering to make the comparison.
Let me be clear, even without the Hitler comparison, this policy he is proposing is an incredibly fascist action, and I don't mean that figuratively, I mean it literally.
It's not good, and you shouldn't pretend to know that it doesn't get worse, because it is bad NOW.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me be clear, even without the Hitler comparison, this policy he is proposing is an incredibly fascist action, and I don't mean that figuratively, I mean it literally.
lol ok.
It's not good, and you shouldn't pretend to know that it doesn't get worse, because it is bad NOW.
Just... dude. He's been in office for a week. How can it be "bad" now when there hasn't even been time for him to get things changed. You seriously need a chill bro, and I don't mean that figuratively, I mean it literally.
Do you hit yourself in the head with a rock every election to forget everything you knew about the candidate that just got voted in? (Wait, don't answer that.)
I'll give you points for the really weird mental gymnastics, though. 8.5.
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the issue. All you folks know about Hitler is genocide. If you had educated yourself in some history up to this point you would realize that Trump is using the exact same kind of manipulation that Hitler did. Telling a bunch of scared sheltered people that their problems actually come from minorities and only blind support for him and your country will save you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you had educated yourself on how internet works, you'd realize how ridiculous it is to Godwin as a political argument. You talk about fear mongering, but all I see in this thread is people fear mongering about Trump.
You want to know something else? Up until very recent decades, the U.S. DID tabulate immigrant crime (don't have reference off hand, but we talked about this in my Am. Hist. class a while ago). Yet nobody called previous presidents Hitler, even though Trump is literally proposing the same thing.
It's cringe like this ("Trump is literally Hitler!" and "OMG He's Going to Nuke Europe!11") that completely turns off conservatives from having a conversation. Believe it or not, there ARE actually lots of common ground that you can find with conservatives to put pressure on Trump for some issues.
For example, I strongly disagree with Trump's recent statement on Chelsea manning. But fuck off if you think I'm going to protest with you on this issue if your rallying cry is "Trump is hitler neonazi all white men are racist REE!!11"
Liberals SERIOUSLY need to learn to respectfully engage without bullshit hyperbole if they want to have a conversation.
Good thing the whole tone of their campaigns were the same, right down to the blind nationalism and "believe me, I'll get it done"
Obama ran on "hope and change". Trump was "make America great again". both of those convey the same "trust in me, I will change things for the better". Hillary's slogan was "I'm with her".
Honestly, none of those 3 are very different: they all center on bling trust of the candidate to lead us to a better place. Trumps implies he will make us stronger, Obamas implied he'd take us to a utopia, Hillaries implies she's a visionary we can trust to lead us. All of those are vague, and all of them center on the greatness of the candidate. All 3 have the same amount of "believe in me, I'll get it done" to use your words
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that your default reaction to dissatisfaction with government is buying guns and ammo indicates you might need psychological evaluation and/or treatment.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't marginalize Hitler by stupidly comparing people to him. Given Hitler's actions during and before World War II, it would be wise for potential victims to be able to either flee the Carnage or fight back. That is a natural fight or flight response. So unless you consider Hitler to be just some regular not out of the ordinary bad guy, comparable to maybe a street Thug, then perhaps you are correct that buying guns and ammo is a bit paranoid. However I don't marginalize Hitler. I understand how significant it is to compare someone to Hitler. It seems that knowledge of Hitler and his actions has escaped the wisdom of the collective left.
The trajectory has parallels so the comparison is still apt. It may be a bit extreme at this point but when someone is showing similar character traits you can correctly make projections.
Will he get that bad? It's a very small probability. Is there something in his character and actions that makes a resemblance? Sure is.
That's not really the issue I was pointing out though. The issue is your default reaction of deadly violence. That's never a valid response unless you still live in a cave.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:41 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of 'parallels' with anybody. They both breath air. They both have very passionate constituents. They both advocate social progress. i'm talking about Hitler....and Obama.
Was Obama Hitler? No. Is Trump Hitler? No. This entire conversation is strikingly silly for ANYBODY who has spent even more than a cursory look at Pre-WW2 German History.
Nataface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this real? I mean, what an incredibly misguided thing to do. Are we going to publish a list of the same crimes committed by non immigrants? It is nonsensical and does nothing but gin up hate for immigrants or supposed immigrants.
Kidtuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone certainly should. I guarantee the citizen list of criminals would be much longer.
Let's see, his entire campaign was based around blaming different religions and ethnic groups for the nation's problems. It was driven by saying the biggest problems we face are Mexican immigrants, trade, and Muslims, when in reality, these are minor issues at best. The idea that NAFTA is this huge boogeyman that killed our economy is a complete joke and rejected by certainly the overwhelming majority, and probably all respected economists.
It is telling that all three of Trump's main issues relied on blaming the other and creating a dogmatically nationalistic mentality of America first.
He is a cult like figure in the eyes of his supporters. He alone can fix the countries woes. He is so beloved, he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and no one would care...hyperbolic but it's a telling quote.
He and his followers create conspiracy theories, much like Hitler did to scapegoat the Jews.
He has argued without evidence that
-Millions of illegals voted
-Obama is a secret Muslim from Kenya
-The polls were all rigged against him
-Global warming is a Chinese conspiracy
-His supporters have claimed Hillary has assassinated a DNC staffer.
-They also claim that Angela Merkel is allowing ISIS to operate so she can raise a secret EU army.
I'm not saying Trump is going to create concentration camps, but the comparisons to him and Hitler in terms of style of leadership are actually incredible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we also publish a list of crimes committed by citizens? You know, so we can actually compare?
What the press should actually do is publish a list of lies that Trump spoke each week.
Never in my life have I experienced such incessant whining, 24/7, my God you are all over the top and it's leading to a total blow out in the Midterms. Dems better get their shit together and start talking about what THEY want to do instead of bitching and whining about Trump 24/7. Get a F&#! grip already.
I think r/politics has replaced r/jokes as the #1 place to get some good laughs :D You guys are too much! Trump said we were going to get tired of winning! Love you guys here keep the good laughs coming! Thank you!!! :)
Hitler also has said that they needed to ban firearms for the sake of the nations children. He also created the highway to easily move military cross country. Something the usa adopted for the same reason
Jeffrey Lords of CNN just spent several minutes repeating anecdotes about murders committed by immigrants. So it looks like his brown shirts in suits are already falling in line on this one. We can't have a substantive policy debate on this issue without trying to paint an entire group of people as murderers?
Perhaps we should also publish lists of people killed by police? White men? Maybe just murders in states that voted republican. Crimes by dudes named Donald would probably be disturbing.
crusoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Publish a list of crimes by Trump. The it reason he can't be deported is he is a citizen.
novacham ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has been known to drink water. Who also enjoyed drinking water? You guessed it, Hitler!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'know, people clutched their pearls and admonished others for being panicky by comparing Hitler to the dreaded Khan... but then someone came along and knocked that guy off his throne and gave us all a new asshole to compare leaders too.
It's never a wise bet to assume history cannot top itself.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What part of illegal can't you get through your thick fucking skull?
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order didn't say illegal. The wording of the law is the part that matters, not what Donald fucking tells you. You should have learned after "I'll release my tax returns when I win" that Donald doesn't care to be honest with you
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you don't. But some of us actually care that a president might be benefitting himself unjustly off of our backs. You probably wouldn't even look, given the chance, you don't want your world to crumble.
Hillary Clinton is worth over $365 million dollars. She's never owned a business and has never sold one tangible product. You're telling me she sold words for $365 million? Suddenly you care about our leaders benefiting unjustly? gtfoh
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, I love this shit. You have to make up shit about what I believe just to have something to say. Instead of arguing against the imaginary characterization of me, saying "He's just like Hillary" no less lmao, how about you start caring about the actual health of the country.
Donald Trump is the amoxicillin this country needs, and in 3 days he's proved it. Every single move he's made thus far benefits the American people more than anyone else. He has shown he has nothing but our best interest in mind. We're fucking winning again. What more could you want?
Hitler also built a massive highway system that still exists today. Is Eisenhower like Hitler then too? Hitler also had the Gestapo, who spied on German citizens similar to how Obama's NSA spies on Americans. Is Obama Hitler?
Tmazza21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAE DRUMPF=HITLER?!?!!?? Comparing REAL crimes committed by people who have no right to be here in the first place to HITLER and JEWISH PEOPLE who's only crime was there religion. There's a difference between people who illegally entered the country and people peacefully practicing their religion. Hence illegal immigrant
daner92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone didn't read the article.
Hitler published the names of Jewish criminals to get the morons to believe that there was a crime wave committed by Jews and that they were inherently criminals to scapegoat them for the country's problems.
Still don't see any similarities to what is going on here?
Tmazza21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I realize how ignorant this sounds, but I don't need to read the article to know drumpf is not Hitler. I don't think the families who's children were killed by illegal immigrants should be ignored or considered morons.
I understand the left isn't exactly interested in the actions of a few, and aren't concerned with only a few murders. But ONE murder committed by someone with no legal right to be here is too many. One crime committed by someone who has no legal right to be here is too many.
We have our own crime, and our own problems we don't need to importing anybody else's. The Jewish people were living in Germany as recognized citizens of Germany and elsewhere. Illegal aliens circumvent the immigration system, allowing for zero vetting, and is a clear violation our immigration laws on their very entering into this country.
We have no problems with Mexicans or anybody who wants to come here Legally and contribute to our way of life. Think about it objectively not through the lense of Hitler and the Jews. Very different situation, and we just don't have a sovereign nation without sound immigration standards.
daner92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants have no natural right to be here. And the criminals should certainly get the boot.
The problem is the demonization of illegal immigrants as a tool to manipulate the masses into ignoring problems that the ruling class want ignored.
Hopefully you and others will keep an eye on that. Don't let Trump or anyone else scapegoat brown people for your problems and then ignore the financial system, healthcare, education, etc.
Tmazza21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude... that is LITERALLY what Obama and the ruling class have done for years! NO action, like nothing, 8 years and all we got was the unaffordable care act. Trump is days in and accomplishing soooo many of his campaign promises. He really isn't part of this faceless establishment that has ruled us for years. I won't defend his character but he is a citizen, FINALLY, and we love it!
I really want you to know that NONE of us, at least over at the_donald, or anyone I've ever met, despite what you may have heard, are letting or going to let someone scapegoat "brown people" into avoiding issues. We pride ourselves in not being sheeple and I'm a huge social liberal who would never let any innocent be persecuted for anything other than the make of their character. These illegal immigrants who happen to be "brown people" are part of the problem we want fixed, and Obama used your party's very valuable respect for human dignity and worry for the scapegoating of the little guys or anyone to avoid fixing the illegal immigration problem! Every issue connects and illegal immigration is HUGE for us on the right, but it's NOT because we're racists who hate seeing brown people in our country. That's an ignorant media interpretation of us and like you warned about, an opportunity to avoid the issue and just shrug and say it's racism.
We want everything fixed. Quick and efficiently which is why Hillary Clinton or any establishment crony is the LAST person we would vote for. Soooo many us are retired liberals who fled neoliberalism and couldn't be more proud of our president, but are ready to check him when appropriate.
Pleas reply if you see this, you seem very sensible in the fact that you understand illegal immigrants actually deserve to be deported if they're criminals, and I truly believe you have our new Trumpian conservatism misclassified.
Nice try, the title needs to be fixed, also comparing everyone/thing you don't like to hitler is getting old.
rwho77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
Where does it say anything about illegal aliens? The legal definition of alien includes tourists, guest workers, legal permanent residents and student visa resident aliens.
subnu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.
aยทliยทen:
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
This sub is fucking redundant and stupid. He isn't nor will he be anything like hitler. He might not be good but Jesus Christ stfu already with this fucking comparison.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You guys are fucking redundant and stupid. He isn't nor will he ever be anything like Pol Pot. He might not be good, but Jesus Christ shut the fuck up." -Someone in Germany 1933
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, I should've picked someone before Hitler, but you know what I mean.
Timeline doesn't add up but still that's hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oopsie daisy. But I agree, the Hitler comparisons are ridiculous. For him to be Hitler, the U.S. would have to be run like Germany. I'm confident we have enough checks & balances in place to avoid having a Hitler.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
obama invades 7 countries in 8 years, Hitler did the same.
Why is that distinction so hard for some people? Also, how the fuck is Jewish even close to illegal immigrant? Do you even realize how racist you're being OP? Likening Jews to illegal immigrants? The fuck is wrong with you?
conet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order specifies "aliens." Alien refers to any non-citizen, here legally or illegally. He's ordering they publish crimes committed by ALL non-citizen immigrants.
He's ordering they publish crimes committed by ALL non-citizen immigrants.
As if crimes aren't fucking public knowledge anyways.
I can look up any county in America and see who got arrested yesterday. Who the fuck cares?
The worst part about this is likening jews to illegal immigrants. That is so fucking racist and disgusting.
Cyuen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People with logic cares. He's singling out immigrants, legal or illegal, in his statement. This isn't the same as writing reports on crimes committed by everyone.
This is exactly what the nazi did. Ffs the fact you can't see what is wrong with it scare the shit out of me.
I will use my last effort to talk some sense into you. To put it in context you understand, it's like a high school principle writing weekly reports on the wrong stuffs that Indian kids committed and share those reports to the entire school.
Why are you likening Jewish people to aliens? That's so racist, do you not see that?
Germany was their home. Why are you likening Jewish citizens to immigrants? That is beyond racist. My ancestors escaped Germany, I don't appreciate your racism in the slightest.
To put it in context you understand, it's like a high school principle writing weekly reports on the wrong stuffs that Indian kids committed and share those reports to the entire school.
Is there a public report from all the other kids in that school? Like there is with crimes? No? It's just a stupid made up analogy? That's what I thought.
Cyuen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only one who is seeing race here is you. What people has problem with is that both trump and hilter single out a specific group of HUMAN BEINGS and turn other people against them. Hilter did that to Jews, and trump is doing that to immigrants.
It's amazing you twist this into a racial issue, then call others for being racist. This type of mental gymnastics is quite frankly, amazing.
I don't even know wtf you are talking about in the second half, so I will just assume you don't have the capacity to understand common sense and logic.
What specific group of people are aliens? Because I know white aliens, black aliens, latino aliens....can you enlighten me what specific group constitutes aliens? Jewish people are a SPECIFIC group. Aliens are not.
It's amazing you twist this into a racial issue, then call others for being racist.
I didn't twist this into anything. You're drawing a comparison between persecuted German Jews and illegal immigrants. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you don't see how that's racist then there is a simple truth here: You are racist.
I don't even know wtf you are talking about in the second half, so I will just assume you don't have the capacity to understand common sense and logic.
Doesn't understand something, thinks other person can't use logic. God buddy, you're like the walking and talking version of irony.
Cyuen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:21:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens are non citizen immigrant. That's it! Wtf are you grouping them in race??
Wtf is wrong with you? I am sorry but I am done with this. Blocking you now to avoid wasting any more time on this bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comparison was made between them and illegals.
Sorry that you're racist.
conet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying highlighters are pointless because the text is there. Yeah someone could sort who committed crimes into groups, but Trump is saving people the trouble and highlighting the non-citizens, including legal immigrants. Or maybe his wording was sloppy because he doesn't understand his job.
I like how you ignored the legal subset of aliens too.
The order doesn't specify illegal immigrants. It just says immigrants.
elljawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its fear mongering. the same sort of fear mongering that has been done previously to demonize whatever "other" a party discriminates against to gain power.
I should start publishing a list of crimes done by republicans, or white people. same level of relevance
I'm seeing a recurring theme in your logic: Since Clinton did something bad, that excuses trump from doing something bad.
Why do you keep bringing up Clinton? The election is over. Why do you think I'd be fine with trump doing reprehensible shit just because Clinton also did shit?
Edit: spelling
ghee99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:52:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm seeing a recurring theme in your logic: Since you know that Hitler is universally hated, and since YOU hate Trump, that means (in your mind) that Trump = Hitler.
Why do you leftists keep bringing up Hitler?
I mean, NO US politician is truly Hitler-like, but as Sanders was a socialist , and Hitler was a socialist, thats about as close as you can get (and even thats not accurate)
But comparing capitalist Trump to Socialist Hitler?
LOL
Now that funny!
As for you saying that Trump did anything reprehensible, I cant think of ANY thing that Trump has done that is bad.
On the other hand, obama dropping a bomb ever 20 minutes, for 8 years, non-stop, thats pretty reprehensible to me.
note: you said "ireprehensible", in speaking of Trump. Based on context, I knew you meant "reprehensible". But if anyone says that Trump is "irreprehensible" then I would agree with them 100%.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correction. Committed by Illegal* Immigrants,(which are already criminals because... illegal), not just any kind of immigrant. There's a special kind of irony when the left compares him to Hitler, yet the left engages in all kinds fascist-like actions itself - like censorship, shouting down dissent/differing opinions or views, or even violence against those who disagree. Instead of changing the wording of the truth to fit your narrative, actually listen and read the truth itself.
noun: alien; plural noun: aliens
1.
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
"an illegal alien"
synonyms: foreigner, nonnative, immigrant, emigrant, รฉmigrรฉ
"an illegal alien"
Please notice how the order, as written, specifies "alien", not "illegal immigrant". And that, by definition, an alien is simply a non-native. A synonym for alien is immigrant. All aliens are not illegal, otherwise the term "illegal alien" would be redundant.
So basically, you're wrong. Please follow your own advice, and actually listen and read instead of changing the wording to fit your narrative.
Do you honestly not understand the difference between drinking water, an act that's necessary to survive, and the ostracising of an entire group of people who are already being "other"d by a large portion of the country.
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin Jesus. Either you're a foreigner with no grasp on English syntax or you're just a mindless Trump supporter too wrapped up in the hype to pay attention.
I think they should bring attention to these crimes for the sake of the victims. When Trump called out some of the illegal immigrants as rapists, the media and hive mind seemed to side with the illegal immigrant criminals and not the women violated - the true victims.
cabose7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah you've convinced me, Trump is literally Hitler!!!!
29624 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:19:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anything would convince you with your head so far up your ass.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Fuck you m8.
29624 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then tell me, what would it take for you to agree that Trump is behaving like a dictator. What is your criteria?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That he got rid of internet freedoms, ironically enough.
29624 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it? Gas chambers are cool as long as you have internet rights? Be honest and thorough.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gas chambers? What? Have you gone off the deep end?
29624 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not accusing Trump of that but before I bother I want to know the line that cannot be crossed. What would it take for Trump to do to convince you that he is acting like a dictator.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably mandating patriotism. That would make me question him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit! Has he passed this law?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Why are you upset?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well done.
29624 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So dehumanizing minority groups is still on the table? Establishing themselves as the only source of truth is still ok? Committing war crimes is acceptable? Using the national guard to institute martial law alright? I just want to make sure you are okay with all of this from a leader.
-yoba- ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is absolutely nothing wrong with clamping down on illegal immigration.
Taome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this helps do that how?
-yoba- ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im presuming this helps to highlight the crimes committed by illegal immigrants. I would have read more into it, if not for the horrible title of the article.
I don't think he mentioned race, but now that you did it very clearly is on your mind despite that very condescending comment. That said, this changes nothing. Trump is essentially trying to create anti-immigrant propaganda. This will serve no other purpose but to paint immigrants in a negative light.
Your insults are meaningless because no one respects your kind. When you act like a toddler and call everyone a fascist, you're written off as useless.
I only called you a lefty. Are you not a proud lefty?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your rhetorical tactic isn't working. Contrary to what you believe, posts like /u/FUCKLORD_SKYPUNCH are not why Trump won, and they won't make more people support him.
You're trying to defuse criticism of Trump, but it's not working.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To compare Trump to Hitler is exceedingly insensitive to the victims of the Holocaust and should never come out of anyone's mouth. For being a sub full of SJW's, you certainly don't seem to mind making light of the pain and suffering an entire people went through. Js.
cabose7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Concern troll
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 18:59:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:37:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. u/cyuen, it doesn't matter to them if innocent people are lumped in with the illegal immigrants. Well, innocent brown people at least. Small price to pay to give innocent white people something to gloat over.
Suzookus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they all have to be brown? Illegals are illegals. Don't be racist and assume all illegals are brown.
Sorry, have I misunderstood this whole building a wall on the Mexican border? Or the deportation of muslim radicals?
What giant news story did I miss that indicates that Trump is planning on deporting swaths of white illegal immigrants?
Suzookus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Criminals first, then the rest. About half of illegals are visa over stays. Which means they could have come from just about anywhere. Not just Latin America.
Suzookus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with this as long as people are smart enough to read and understand statistics. It would be interesting to compare crime rates committed by immigrants vs the indigenous people. As far as I know there is not a significant difference anyway.
The United States keeps crime data on nearly every ethnic group and other specific groups in the country. Not keeping a record of crimes committed by illegal aliens is just purposefully shielding ourselves from facts
Wait... The guy who said he's too busy to read the daily updates intelligence report now suddenly has time to search out and publish every "crime" big or small committed by immigrants? What a piece of fucking shit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All opinions on Trump aside, Godwin's Law sure does seem to be pretty common these days.
DrChez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the guy shouldn't act like Hitler then? Mindless nationalism, check. Blaming a majority of problems on ethnic minorities, check. Increasing the military past reasonable limits, check. Claiming to be for workers before giving power to corporations, check.
I mean you're stretching on all four of your points but I get what you're saying.
You're assuming he's going to do the things that he says on twitter as opposed to the things that he's done since he's been on the job for what...6 days? It's a bit extreme to continue comparing him to Hitler.
I'm not a Trump supporter - I like to think of myself as a Trump hopeful.
Sex offenders are required to divulge their crimes to everyone around them because they're deemed to still be a threat to society. How is this any different?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choosing a similar major in college is basically equivalent likeness to publishing a list with the exact same information and intent. You're smart!
Also I'm pretty sure I'm not the only STEM person here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Leitnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if the act is going to yield good results it shouldn't matter.
The ends justify the means...
making this list... good things Hitler did
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Leitnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ends do justify means when you think critically
Often not the case. Let's take your criminals must be stopped argument. killing all people means all criminals are stopped. Is that a good plan, fuck no. Yes, that's taking it to th e absurd, but you can't just say the ends justify the means. It's a lot more complicated than that.
Criminals must be stopped, if you do not believe that then you are as bad as they are and should be locked up.
Regardless of what my opinion is (which is not what you imply), that opinion isn't a crime.
Laws exist to keep people safe and opposing them is opposing the very thing that holds society together.
And now you're assuming all laws are just and any opposition to them is by definition bad. That's just stupid
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Leitnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Critical thinking in itself is not limited to what you perceive as worthwhile.
Youre presupposing your conclusion is the correct one to make your argument.
And yes I believe in all those things. But I don't think selective transparency when it comes to crime statistics is a good idea.
"whatever logic" the logic is in the title and in the article - that the two guys share a political tactic.
the article doesn't make blanket assumptions about 3 million people being arts students, thats more like something Trump would do, he loves numbers around and above 3 million right now
hitler also banned guns, trump didnt, hitler also created laws to punish people who were legal residents like obama did hitler also rigged elections like the dnc did.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are certainly not comparable to lawful Jewish CITZENS of Germany. To draw an equivalence is intellectually dishonest at the very least. This might be the most misleading and completely dishonest piece of editorializing I've read yet! Shameful really.
Babbit_B ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:54:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All other issues aside, there is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
I'm glad you agree Trump is acting like a fascist dictator, I'm sorry you think that's a good thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lost the popular vote (by around 3 million), but won the electoral college; an inherently undemocratic system that counts votes disproportionately based on state.
I'm not sure how similar trump is to Hitler specifically (personally, I think trumps' more Orwellian than nazi), but he does fit the definition of fascist to a T . Though if I had to think of some comparison to Hitler, it would be trump's obvious disdain for certain ethnic minorities who he blames all of the country's ill on.
yaosio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What has he done that anybody could be pro-Trump?
akers8806 ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 18:36:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
liberals man, liberals. They can't STAND Trump and they apparently rule /r/politics. They are thinking the same exact same way conservatives did when Obama first took office - but acting way worse. The left is out of control and unhinged. They complain of bullying yet they bully Trump (making fun of his physical appearance, his wife, and kids), they complain of intolerance yet Trump supporters have been physically and verbally attacked, they made fun of Trump and his supporters not being able to accept the election results if he lost and now they are chanting "not my president", they complain of bigotry and prejudice yet they refer to Trump supporters as "Midwest rednecks" and "privileged whites". Literally everything they have sat on their high horses and said over the last 8 years they are now contradicting.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:40:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crud man, Donny supporters sound like snowflakes.
Wants to be treated special for being white. It checks out.
akers8806 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 18:45:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not quite. I just want to give the guy a chance and hope his intentions are really for the best. /r/politics has become the place to come shit on him. Every single post is a shitfest - while T_D is a lovefest and the man can do no wrong. I don't agree with either stance. He will make mistakes, but lets not jump to major conclusions that he is the next coming of Hitler (conservatives said the same about Obama). You realize the folks in T_D call him Emperor God to mock y'all in /r/politics, right?
yaosio ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:16:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been given lots of chances and blew every single one. There's so many so let's focus on the election. (Edit: I forgot I said this and did not focus on just the election. ๐ฑ)
He won the election, but refuses to recognize it was legitimate. His pro golfer friend tried to illegally vote in Florida, and knew there were a lot of illegal voters in the polling location. Trump is refusing to investigate illegal voting in Florida even though he know for a fact 5 million people voted illegal. He has implicated himself as part of the illegal voting scheme.
He was given a chance to tell us what will replace the ACA but he refuses to tell us what.
He was given a chance to admit the facts behind climate change but decided that it's not just a hoax, but that nobody has ever mentioned it before.
He was given a chance to tell the truth, but he continually lies, and in doing so continually implicates himself in every single false conspiracy theory he creates.
It was his 3rd or 4th day in office and there was already a post in here about his presidential approval rating being really low - WTF? Everyone jumped aboard. How is that even a valid poll when the guy has been in office for 3 days? and now, 6 days in there's post after post comparing him to Hitler and several users hinting at assassination. /r/politics is not a neutral discussion ground that it claims to be. It's either shit on Trump or GTFO.
yaosio ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which part of your post is a response to anything in my post?
lol. My feelings are not hurt. Just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy. If anything, I am annoyed by the whole "I'm offended" movement.
yaosio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing wrong with your feelings being hurt. You wouldn't be so angry about this if your feelings were not hurt. Nobody gets mad for no reason, not even me, and I'm bipolar. But you have to understand we're hurt too, otherwise 3 million people wouldn't have protested in the Woman's March across the country.
Because this is how it started. Hitler didn't start with kristalknacht and genocide. It was a process over several years of increasingly ramped policies exactly like this one.
It seems no one in the American media actually has any idea of the concept of Hitler and the Nazi's, maybe we should send them all to Dachau and lock them in an oven for 30 min or so, then maybe they would realizes what true evil is, and stop trivializing it
If you're Trump, and you run on national anger, this is a brilliant propaganda move. There are over 43 million immigrants in the US. You can put a name, face, and story on what is otherwise a stat.
Then you'll have people getting outraged, saying "Look at what this immigrant did! We need to put a stop to it!"
Remember Godwin's law? Remember how it had become sub-par reddit behavior to mention Hitler? Remember how we stopped doing it as much because, obviously, not everything has to do with Hitler?
It's time to pay attention to how much of this looks, sounds, smells, like Hitler. It takes one highly placed person to get assassinated and they will declare martial law, just like you-know-who, and then it won't just be Steve Bannon telling the press to shut up, the army will have to tell the press to shut up.
This is how fascism works. Now we have to figure out what stops fascism. I don't know that. Do you guys?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:51:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not happy about Trump being President, either. But I am less unhappy than I would have been if the election had gone the other way.
I know what a Clinton Presidency would have produced. At least Trump has a chance to surprise me and do well.
OmenQtx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just really tired of the "but Hillary" deflection. It doesn't matter what you think Hillary would have done any more. Trump must stand on his own and answer for his actions now.
That wasn't a "but Hillary" excuse. I simply said that I held my nose and voted against her. To me, she was pretty much a known quantity and I didn't like what I knew about her.
I don't really have high hopes for Trump, either, because here in Arizona, every time we elect a successful businessman to be Governor, it turns into a shit storm of verbal gaffes and financial shenanigans. There may have been others, but Evan Mecham and Fife Symington immediately come to mind.
Businessman (also Generals, but that's another problem) get frustrated in politics because they are used to having their commands carried out with a certain sense of alacrity. Trump is accustomed to being in control and having his subordinates carry out the instructions he gives them, or "You're fired!" echoes down the hallways. How quickly he adapts and becomes effective in this new environment is critical to his success.
Trump is clearly Hitler. Except for that whole death camp, support Israel and Jewish daughter thing. But hey, let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good Nazi comparison.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're supposed to understand that Nazi comparisons based on a website are absurd. The Nazis destroyed tens of millions of people. Comparing Trump to Hitler is a politically cynical move and not based in reality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazi comparisons based on a website are absurd
except they're not based on a website. they're based on what's really happening
politically cynical move
well, duh. that's that's what happens when you go fascist.
not based in reality
says a trump supporter
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:57:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, here goes nuthin, I'll just leave this here, it's as good a place as any. I have a friend who has a son that just got out of the border patrol school/academy? Whatever they call it, anyway, he got into the academy because his new wifes dad is some kind of regional big shot at DHS. My buddy and the kid hate trump with a passion, the father in law would apparently be fine with being on call to suck trumps dick 24/7/365 and the kid is playing along like he'd be fine with being on that list too.
So, yeah, the father in law tells the kid some double secret probation shit, like cross your heart, hope to die never tell a soul stuff. As I type this, I have to stop every once in a while and catch my breath and wipe the tears out of my eyes because ever since I heard it last night I just start laughing hysterically when I think about it. So, the secret is, somebody quite far up the food chain at DHS floated the idea of............Chipping every Mexican that crosses the border, chipping as in like the chips they put in pets, I think they even do it in some little kids now? But, yeah, there it is, supposedly some other people farther up the food chain as in far upper management level, really liked the idea and will be recommending it even higher up.
True, not true? I dunno, but I don't care who ya are that right there is funny fucking shit, and in this branch of reality we live in now it wouldn't surprise me in at all if it were true. If you think the Mexican president is pissed off now.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:58:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this of any use other than fear mongering and stoking the flames of xenophobia? GD
What else is Trump going to publish? The "Mine First!", a re-publishing of the Mein Kampf ?
I even bet he then tries to say how he totally isnt going door to door finding immigrants in an aggressive manner, that once inspired a girl named Anne Frank to write about. He'll likely just say this is how America is going to become better......No it wont. This is how the US falls from the sky.
Also just today before introducing Trump, Mitch McConnell(completely ignoring the "trail of tears") hailed Andrew Jackson as the president for the people and that Trump is comparable to him. Why is this administration so ready to become a fascist government knowing that it will end badly for them?
urgassed ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants โ ILLEGAL Immigrants. How come the left continuously uses these terms interchangeably?
Zephenia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because when you go after a group of people villianous intent that include women and children leads to an open door policy on that kind of behavior. Period
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The group we're talking about is illegal immigrant criminals who have committed crimes besides already breaking the law by being here illegally. What do women and children have to do with any of that? We have laws in this country and we need to start enforcing them. Otherwise, what is the point of having them in the first place?
We all know the difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. At this point, I have to assume that anyone that makes this mistake is either ignorant or promoting an agenda.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG why can't people see that Drump=Hitler I can't even breathe when i read these headlines. they make me cry and i need to take like 30 minutes to calm myself down
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF, y-you are ... the Hitler. Did you know Hitler was once a fetus. Ew. Fascism alert!!
basmith7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this public record? Did Hitler also wear pants, because Trump seems to wear pants a lot.
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 18:37:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:59:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm glad you're not in charge
Depends on what you mean by "in charge". I'm not the president if that's what you mean.
You sound like an awful human being with homicidal tendencies.
Everyone is to some extent. At least I'm honest.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being honest doesn't make up for being a homicidal maniac in any way.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to kill anyone, but like any self respecting person I will if it means protecting this nation or my family.
If you won't, then I think less of you as a human being for being so naive. Not that I think my opinion of you is particularly valuable. (It's not, just as yours isn't)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:55:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between killing out of necessity because the situation warrants it and killing out of want because you enjoy it.
The rest of the argument about illegal immigration has been done to death and there's a wealth of information out there so I won't bother justifying that. I do expect you to do your own research and yes that includes opposing sources. It's the result of my own research and life experience that has lead me to this "extreme" opinion that you think makes me a homicidal person.
I can tell you that my opinion is far more commonplace than you think and you should want people to express these things if your goal is to change hearts and minds and move forward with your ideals.
I don't think that's your goal however. I think like most liberals and young people you don't want your feelings to be hurt. You want to retain your youthful innocence and hide from the harsh reality of a world filled with people that would kill you without a second thought.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't call you a homicidal person. Someone else did, and you agreed. Then you said "everyone is, to an extent." That's wrong. Not everyone is homicidal.
That's not how psychology works. There aren't people that exist that lack the psychological elements necessary to kill. I view it as more of a sliding scale where the circumstances required to get someone to kill someone else are greater. Most people don't reach the threshold.
No, I have no illusions that I can convince you of anything.
That's a shame since it's inaccurate in my case, but you are right to think so since it's true for most people. I didn't always used to feel this way about illegals but life changes you.
Lol you want me to be weak so bad so you can dismiss me.
I dismiss people by ignoring them.
I'm aware the world is a dark place full of bad people, I can handle that. However, I don't blame all the ills of society on illegal immigrants and Muslims.
I blame the stupid and gullible but it's difficult to test for those conditions reliably and there are obvious concerns in doing so in regards to personal liberty.
I know immigrants. My wife is a muslim immigrant (please refrain from shooting her). Lots of my best friends are immigrants
Legal Immigrant? You mean American? So same as me then? Why would anyone want to shoot your wife? In fact, if someone tried to do that near me you can bet your ass I'd try to stop them. My family immigrated here legally, though some were brought over on slave ships against their will but it was a different time.
I'm not afraid of them. They are human beings. Being undocumented in the U.S. does not make people rapists and murderers.
If they're here illegally they are criminals and I'm not willing to take any chances.
It sounds to me like you're the one who is afraid of the world since you want to kill all the brown people coming over the border. You're so scared of them, you want to kill them. Think about that.
You'd be incorrect. I don't give a crap about skin color. It's meaningless. I think we should ruthlessly enforce our immigration laws. I don't see it being a large issue but if you're worried about equality we can apply the same policies towards Canada including building a wall up there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do know when an actual American citizen commits a crime it is reported on and a list is published on police blotters and websites. So once again liberals want the US to give more rights to Ilegal immigrants than there own tax paying citizens.
While I don't think it particularly helps to give the people a list of reasons to hate immigrants, I'm getting fucking sick and tired of comparing everything to Hitler and basing everything Hitler did as inherently evil/wrong/bad
Hitler also reformed and ensured a prosperous German economy, improved and encouraged education, pushed for women's rights, fought against tobacco usage, improved working conditions, improved living conditions, and fought against homelessness and hunger.
Bad people do bad things. Bad people do good things. Good people do good things. Good people do bad things.
Trump is repeating a bad action that Hitler did. It's as simple as that.
If only Trump would repeat the "good" stuff that Hitler did, as you put it: "improved and encouraged education, pushed for women's rights, fought against tobacco usage, improved working conditions, improved living conditions, and fought against homelessness and hunger."
Trump is not doing that. Hitler did bad things. Trump is repeating some of the early bad things that Hitler did. Hence the comparison.
Keeping in mind Hitler held power for 12 years, there was ample time for this reform. Trump has been in office for what, 5 days now? Of course there's gonna be unpopular things but there's also popular things that will be done.
I know people don't like the 'Just give him a chance' but that's a legitimate claim. You can't just say, "okay mr. president we're going to judge you based on the very first thing you do in office" no you let them serve the term, and make assessments rationally and accordingly
I completely understand your point. And I don't mean to say that Trump intends to ever do what Hitler did. Also, you're right, even if he did intend to, there is not enough time in 4 years probably. I am more concerned that even if he doesn't "follow through" all the way with plans for minorities in the US, each one of these little actions set us back as a whole, socially. In my opinion.
In addition, and I mean this respectfully, I can and will personally and publicly judge Donald on every last small little thing that he does. He doesn't get a pass just because it's his first week. I think he's done a poor job so far. He's trying to deliver on his campaign promises but seems to be falling on his face. I'm going to assess the guy in real-time.
I can appreciate what you're saying. It's difficult to phrase since I actually do think the POTUS should be held under intense scrutiny simply due to the severity of his position but I was leaning towards 'his legacy' or 'administration' should never be determined by his first week. It should be based on the total of his term like all presidents preceding. Some were bad to be impeached and showed to be terrible leaders, others were unpopular, others were very popular. None can reasonably be assessed solely by the very beginning
Chazz85 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm British are pm is meeting him soon, she's a woman I'm waiting for him to be sexist to her.
19Kilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say 2027 at the earliest. It seems Democrats and left-wingers always seem to develop a Strange New Respect for Republican elder statesmen after they've retired as a means of obliquely attacking whoever is The Current Threat.
I love that scene from parks and rec where Leslie knope talks about her plan to help the city and that evil dentist guy stands up and goes "you know who else had a plan? Hitler!"
Cleev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:49 on January 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that seems to be one striking way that Trump and Hitler differ.
I'm trying to point out that having an argument about an administration's policy can be more effective than going full-on Godwin straight out the gate.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:27:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since we want to compare him to Hitler, let's just go ahead and build concentration camps and gas the Liberals. I mean, he needs to live up to the accusations put against him, right?
So dramatic, lol.
Cyuen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, let's just wait for shits to happen before you start to think.
Ffs, trump literally is going to write weekly reports on the crimes immigrants do, and all you can say is "well I am ok with that because it's not as bad as concentration camps and gas chamber. MAGA!;&&&(&)
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is Hitler
REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Drama queens. Hahahaha
Cyuen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one say he's hilter. People are saying he's doing things hilter did in the past that resulted in the raise of the Nazi party.
Any more statements from you other than replying like a five year old kid who first get their hands on the keyboard?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, we'll rise up and become modern day Nazi's. Haha
Like I said before, drama queens. ๐
Cyuen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you will. I mean, you are already acting like one.
bye
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll make sure to throw you a few bread crumbs. Lol
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
go study for your GED
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:00:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need a GED to be part of the Waffen-SS! I'll be fine! ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uneducated and supports trump? who woulda thunk it?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this is my life now, explaining this simple point, I guess.
When we study Hitler, we see that certain actions he took early in his career were indicators or signals of events to come. Drinking water was not one of those indicators. However, publicly vilifying Jewish people - that turned out to be a significant early indicator of things to come. So that would be considered an important or significant event early in Hitler's career. Ok, now hold that thought in your head as you read the rest.
Because some of Trump's actions are overlapping with those important events I described before (not drinking water), people are making a comparison.
bledd7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:00:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too bad since immigrants don't comit crimes .
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, he's Hitler all over again. Because Hitler wore a yamurlka to his daughters wedding and moved Germany's embassy to Jerusalem. Trump is sooo Hitler.
Do you know who else compared people to Hitler? Hitler.
Aavenell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, you people need to get your heads out of your asses. Hitler literally did the exact same thing with a different demographic. I hate calling him hitler, because it seems weak, but this is completely applicable.
I'm just going to copy and paste now. Is that allowed?
When we study Hitler, we see that certain actions he took early in his career were indicators or signals of events to come. Breathing was not one of those indicators. However, publicly vilifying Jewish people - that turned out to be a significant early indicator of things to come. So that would be considered an important or significant event early in Hitler's career. Ok, now hold that thought in your head as you read the rest.
Because some of Trump's actions are overlapping with those important events I described before (not "breathing"), people are making a comparison.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:11:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is literally hitler
hrlngrv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll only believe that when he starts a White House blog named My Struggle.
More of a 2.0 since he's using Hitlers playbook to a 'T'
shamoops ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities. Libs just can't seem to seperate them from legal immigrants. No wonder they lost congress, the whitehouse, and the supreme court
Mmmm, good point. I guess breathing oxygen IS comparable to creating a propaganda list to smear a vulnerable minority and having it broadcast to the public each day. Let's move on then ...
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:07:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ScholarOfTwilight ยท 815 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is illegal under most State/Local shield laws (usually an exception for violent crimes).
Mongo1021 ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 21:18:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great point.
How does he plan to compile this information? The various law enforcement authorities aren't going to do it. It's illegal, unconstitutional and immoral.
It won't happen. They will say they don't collect that data, or some other excuse.
Actually, some law enforcement agencies, like the Maricopa County moron, will gladly hand over the lists, but the majority of law enforcement won't do it.
Just a prediction.
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 21:25:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in Phoenix, they had copies of arrests of the week with mug shots. I think it's pretty despicable to ruin someone's life for fun like that instead of giving them a chance at rehabilitation. They'll probably need to take locally sourced news stories which receive occasional tips from cops looking to make an extra buck.
I really don't think his team is intelligent enough or hardworking enough to go through the amount of work it would take to compile this horrendous list.
n4k3dm0s3s ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:00:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a news paper now. When Apairo was in office you can pay 3.99 (I think) for a monthly newspaper with all mugshots and ads. It was like Auto Trend but with mugshots.
Then the news they take some of these and plaster it with "mugshots of the day." Its pretty sad. You can see with some of them they just need help. But they are paraded around to make them look like degenerates. Yet our last Sheriff decided to use tax payers money to fund a legal battle that we was found guilty of.
oodlesofnudl ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:52:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You talking about that "the slammer" paper? Good friend of mine was on the front page of that... Didn't ruin his life any worse then he already had, but he didn't deserve to get publicly humiliated for smoking a one hitter outside of a bar, looking disheveled and having some weird tattoos. Could only imagine how embarrassing it must be for your friends/relatives/coworkers to see your face plastered all over on some mugshot rag in a 7-11.
WhirlinMerlin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the problem. I don't have any friends or coworkers and don't speak to my relatives so my life is basically awesome.
Runnerphone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't want made fun of they shouldn't have committed a crime.
Mongo1021 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:27:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, wouldn't it be fun to troll them somehow and make up fake Hispanic-sounding names and ridiculous crimes that they committed?
With their lazy and stupid staff, it could work.
JimiBrady ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:54:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His supporters wouldn't see get the "joke." They'd just see affirmation of their bigotry.
MammalianHybrid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:44:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we should do it instead with German and Russian sounding names instead?
celebrimborealism ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:42:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Vladimir Rodriguez"
Also why German? They at least learned something from history.
microferret ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:59:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible to spell Bad Hombre phonetically in Cyrillic? Might go with that.
RFSandler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brad Harambe is a saint.
MammalianHybrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of how many AltRight/NeoNazi followers Trump has. At least some of them have to be German right?
Victorian_Astronaut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but Germany has learned that lesson. They shall never fall victim to that again. It is illegal for a Fascist to run for office in Germany. We on the other hand, haven't learned a thing. We think fascist means socialist means communist means liberal, and that the only thing that the Nazi's did that was wrong was kill jews...and invade others lands... totally missing so much of the fucking point!
sugarfreeeyecandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/Floridaman
Donnadre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It worked to deport Munchma Qu'uchi.
RamuneSour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Franco Hernandez Arrested for violation of BF01 (eating waffles with only butter)
Atario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make them Russian sounding names
Alan_Smithee_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to innocent, until proven guilty?
baggysmills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the same thing.
Alan_Smithee_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I realise that the same legal protection isn't afforded them, but there are plenty of cases where people are innocent, and exonerated, or arrested for reasons that don't justify a public humiliation.
Perhaps it's an American thing; I don't recall seeing this done anywhere else. It's a little like putting people in stocks, and I think that these kind of things create the kind of society you live in. I really believe that.
CheekyMunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that Arpaio country?
Cielle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He finally got ousted, thankfully - but yeah, it was.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lived in a small, rural Tennessee town a few years back, and there was a weekly publication that had mugshots and a brief blurb on their arrest. Not that what they were convicted of. You could buy them in gas stations and grocery stores for a dollar or so.
Bogeyhatespuddles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Mugshot Monday" here in western PA
mightyatom13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they had websites in every major city that do this now. i know Portland does. pdxmugshots.com.
jtablerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In WV they sold mugshots as their own paper. I was fucking shocked.
wintertash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just rehabilitation, let's also keep in mind that an arrest is not a conviction, and plenty of people who are arrested have the charges dismissed or are found innocent at trial.
bone_salt_and_blood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.faulknercountybooked.com/ The county I used to live in just posts everyone (and then will remove them later, if proven innocent)..
CaptJackRizzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they're intelligent or hardworking enough to compile ACCURATE lists, but I have the funniest feeling that accuracy might not wind up being their primary objective.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm if the list is so horrendous and takes so long to compile...I think we have some deporting to do!
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:53:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cute how you twist facts. Going through hundreds of thousands of jurisdictions (state/fed/local/city/district) for arrests vs. convictions is going to waste a LOT of time and money. All this list is going to do is demonize legal and illegal immigrants which make up 14% of the overall population (illegals making up less than 1/2 of 1 %). Why not publish a list with all violent criminals?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ScholarOfTwilight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BTW, we already deport illegal and legal immigrants who commit crimes and have done so for decades. This is nothing new so stop pretending like Trump thought up deportation for criminals or border security. If you knew anything, you'd know that 40% of illegals here are VISA overstays who crossed into this country legally. No one is advocating keeping criminals here who are illegals, this is just a stupid and sensational way to go about doing something we're already doing.
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U mad? Sad?
Yes, and protecting all us boils down to catching ALL criminals. Focusing only on illegals is stupid and you won't find any sane police department doing it.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not mad. I'm getting exactly what I want and what America needs. You people clearly have never heard about the power of the purse. For example, bone up on the commerce clause if you want to see how far the federal government can twist your precious sanctuary cities' arms. Deblasio is going to be on his knees faster than a whore at the bunny ranch. Reeee!
Illegal immigration is a federal issue. The power of the police is protected by the 10th amendment. That would be quite authoritarian for Trump to use federal powers to do the State's job? I can do this all night long.
The constitutional scholar abused the constitution so much you sock puppets don't even know what is in it. Reeee!
Beam me up Scotty!
dashthestanpeat ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:44:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the record, Arpaio lost his reelection bid and I don't think his successor will be as amenable to Trump's ideas.
Mongo1021 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:55:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've checked before I typed that. My bad.
dashthestanpeat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:20:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't no thing, my intent was to reassure more than correct. Sheriff Joe isn't there anymore, which isn't a huge silver lining but we need to grab onto all of them we can get!
roterghost ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:45:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bannon will hand him a fake list and Trump will regurgitate it. And then Spicer will defend it as "alternative statistics" and Conway will defend Spicer.
And the only thing most Americans will get from it all is "Oh, shit, I'm completely right to fear and despise brown people. Just look at how much crime they're committing."
HeirOfHouseReyne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean "compile information"? If they don't have any facts, they'll use alternative ones. Hell, they'll even use those alternative ones if they do have the actual facts.
Or he may solve some personal issues with certain (illegal) immigrants who got angry with him for never being payed out by him. You know Trump's motto:
When will Alicia Machado or Gonzalo Curiel appear on the list? And how long will it take before one of them gets a visit from an angry Trump hothead like that pizzeria that was mentioned in the made up conspiracy right before the election?
Red_Carrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be when city officers work with ICE deport immigrants, those offensives will be published. Even with sanctuary cities if you commit a major crime they will contact ICE. Obama deported on average 6000 immigrants a week. If only 10% of those committed a crime to get caught that list is still 600 a week. It adds up and makes other Mexicans look like they are all degenerates even though the vast majority are law abiding people. This is to make the American people turn against Mexicans.
The worst part is the very few that commit major crimes (rape, murder, child molestation) will get spot light by the media and after weeks and months of this. The reputation of the Mexican people will get diminished and make Trump point of "They send us their rapist..." comment seem like he had some insight that the rest of us lacked.
Ctaly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And let's not forget that all Hispanic people are viewed as Mexicans regardless of actual origin. And the question then is, does he also publish crimes committed by US citizens, of which there are more than enough to go around.
Red_Carrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would not be his administrations goal to compare it to anything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it be immoral to have that information?
HaMMeReD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's just going to rebroadcast /r/uncensorednews through the white houses official twitter.
TumblinTonyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that it is immoral, but I don't believe it would be illegal or Unconstitutional.
The most pertinent piece of case law on this issue is Printz v. United States. That case addressed the Constitutionality of so-called "executive commandeering," which is about the extent of what the federal government can direct state executive officials like local law enforcement agencies to do.
The law actually immunizes local officials from federal control to a great extent, but says in dictum that "ministerial reporting requirements" would not violate the Constitution. This means that the federal government could probably make local enforcement agencies hand over their information.
I don't like the result personally, but it would probably be consistent with contemporary Constitutional case law.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make them up. I guarantee it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is unconstitutional illegal and immoral about it
x86_64Ubuntu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing how the police union(FOP) roundly supported Trump, I think they will chomp at the bit to get him the information he needs.
Z3CHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nassau county, NY used to have a DUI wall of shame in the mid 2000s
ryanbbb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former Maricopa County moron. We canned his ass finally.
Keyboard_Mouseketeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep thinking that. Trump loves proving you wrong. Over and over again. MAGA
Murrabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are referring to the notorious sheriff Joe Arpaio he has finally been voted out of office and was no longer the sheriff of Maricopa County as of the 1st of this month.
So uh, you know, small victories even amidst a political climate of absolute chaos.
I_Plunder_Booty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a great point. There are Unites States federal, state, and local laws that protect US citizens, green-card holders, people with visas and work permits.
How dare Trump disclose information on illegal aliens who have committed crimes on US soil because of one reddit users' gross misunderstanding of what shield laws are?!?! Think of the children! Give this man some gold! Call CNN!
Politics_r_us ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fervently hope you are correct and that our nation's laws and law enforcement authorities will prevail over this corrupt, despicable administration.
cchris_39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just guessing but this probably is not meant to be a crime blotter like your hometown newspaper. More likely a list of headline grabbers.
richardwoolly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
er crime statistics are already collected, Trump is just making the data public.
oced2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that is probably all he will need. It will make the problem look worse than it actually is because of that asshole targets Latinos. Plus it will just confirm the bias that his voters already have.
Remember, this are the same people that believe that John Lewis's district is some kind of post apocalyptic wasteland that is ruled by thugs (blacks).
i_smart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when has Donald Trump let the facts get in the way of a good story?
Imadethis4things ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is publishing a matter of public record illegal or unconstitutional? Law enforcement around the country (world) does so regularly.
And fyi? The "Maricopa County moron" was voted out. Pay attention.
Ctaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't think it was necessarily wrong, if he also published the crimes of US citizens as well. He's choosing a specific group and as far as I've read not making a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.
Not that, that matters in the end. Publish away, I say. But don't try and make it like immigrants are the only ones commiting crimes in America- is if they have a monopoly on crime commiting.
I can open my newspaper or watch my local news to see that in fact lots of people commit crimes and they are all from different walks of life. Let's make sure we remember that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ctaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't disagree to a large part, except this - Trump, as the president of the US, is making the distinction not the media. He is separating immigrants (legal or otherwise) from the rest of the citizenship. He is saying to citizens, by this act, look how bad immigrants are. They are not deserving of your respect or empathy. They are criminals. And highlighting this does nothing to establish the baseline that immigrants aren't the only ones commiting crimes. That in fact all demographics of society tend to commit crimes.
By this separation he makes it ok to treat immigrants with disdain, hate and revulsion. Not criminals as a whole, but specifically immigrants (legal or otherwise), whether they have committed crimes or not.
The FBI already has a data base for criminal activity and it breakdown who is commiting what, and at what numbers they are doing it. But they don't say hey, guys check out this one group cause we don't like them. And that is my contention with this move by Trump.
Imadethis4things ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I understand things, only those illegals that commit crimes will be posted. Just like my local sherrif's office posts pictures of arrestees. The news already does an excellent job of pointing out the multi-time deportees that continue to cross the border to commit crimes. This whole issue seems very mountain-from-molehill to me.
NSA_IS_SCAPES_DAD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every single citizens criminal report is available on case net for free. Illegal aliens should be treated the same, and are not governed or protected by the same laws since they are not citizens.
Wake up and read people. It's not that hard to find this information. Stop believing ever Internet moron who claims something is illegal.
Sanctuary cities are a problem. I would challenge you to find a single study that shows them providing benefit to citizens of that city or economical benefit in any form. Illegal immigration costs tax payers over 100 billion dollars annually. If you support that, your a moron.
palebluedot0418 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:55:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I know here in TN all arrests are public record, and are typically printed in local papers.
32BitWhore ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:40:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source? Police blotters and public court records have been around for years, IMO this is no different except that it targets a specific group of people, which I personally disagree with. Unless your state has a law specifically banning targeted releases of public information, I doubt it's illegal. Genuine question by the way, not trolling.
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a helpful guide. r/floridaman is the model:
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-government-laws-lead-to-the-shame-of-florida-man-news-stories-7608595
32BitWhore ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:54:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't really say that it's illegal in other states, just that arrest reports may be harder to come by. Federal crimes are and likely always will be public information. If someone is accused or convicted of a crime, that information is public.
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes the shield laws are far more local. Most sanctuary cities have one.
32BitWhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but I'm assuming he's only talking about federal crimes. Those are really the only records he'd have any authority to release, unless they were already considered public information, AFAIK.
I doubt he'd break the law to release information about the drunk immigrant pissing on the corner of a building in a sanctuary city.
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't really know. The fact of the matter is that the order is so vague it is open to many interpretations.
32BitWhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, I'm just trying to get actual information instead of more "sky is falling" rhetoric without any real evidence.
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. The Hitler angle, while true, is a little much. I just don't like demonizing any group. Let's be honest, there are more illegals overstaying VISAs from Canada by a large margin than Mexico but we're not putting up a wall with Canada, now are we? Truthfully 40% of all illegals are here on overstayed VISAs and we aren't enforcing that. To give you a perspective, that's 4 million out of the 12 million (upper estimate). Given our population is some 330 million at this point, you're looking at less than 1/2 of 1% of our present population consists of illegal aliens. Which is clearly just racist dogma and scapegoating.
AppaBearSoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they would...
jivemasta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://memecrunch.com/meme/1KHBQ/umbridge-for-now/image.png?w=400&c=1
Nobody1795 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:29:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad illegal aliens don't have the same rights as a citizen.
Because he's talking about illegals. Not immigrants. Weird how no one seems to be able to tell the difference.
WhizWit21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I can look up everyone who got arrested in my county anytime I want.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok we'll call it sanctuary law then. That's what the article called it for NYC.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See my other response with a link and article explaining.
HeartatacRN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. This asshole has no clue what he's doing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For legal residents...
All_Meshed_Up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have to gather REAL information from actual sources. Remember that...
I_CARGO_200_RUSSIA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, you need a conviction before you can state that someone committed a crime. From what I gather, trump's intent as to publish a list of "crimes" where certain jurisdictions do not cooperate with his USCIS agents in handing over perps. But at that point, these perps are just that, alleged perps. Circumventing the entire judicial process and calling these suspects "criminals" is the exact idiotic thing that only trumpe could think up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Federal law "trumps" state law
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing the executive branch can't write federal law.
Clown_Baby123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he didn't list the actual names of the offenders and just showed the statistics to try and show a correlation between crime rate and if it's a sanctuary city or not (which is highly unethical, and would breed the same hate Hitler tried stirring up), I can see him using that as a loophole right? It still is a means to an end in
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think i'd mind that, actually. Problematically, those sanctuary cities are some of the safest in the country.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about. You can look up criminal reports yourself, its all public information. Here is the one for PA.
Enjoy. https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/
wwlink1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.. It is illegal when talking about an American citizen. But I think you missed the big elephant in the room. They aren't citizens.
i_smart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's not illegal if the president does it" -Richard Nixon.
Vorbiz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good thing he actually said Illegal immigrants
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:20:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, he didn't, which means legal aliens too:
The order reads:
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by
aliens
and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such
aliens
.โ
wildarcher69 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are not citizens, they are here illegally so they have no rights. Why is that so hard to understand? Oh that's right y'all are liberal so common sense doesn't apply.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ScholarOfTwilight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not mad at "criminals" being exposed.
1. Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.
2. I don't like the idea of encouraging vigilantism which this list would almost certainly do.
3. I'm for enforcing immigration laws but believe we need to use common sense. Specifically scapegoating a specific people when EVERY group commits crimes is pretty Hitler-ish, no?
Soda_Muffin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens aren't a "specific people". That's about as nonspecific as it gets. If legal noncitizens are law abiding then why would this matter to them?
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adding 1/2 of 1 % of the population of this country to a federal list disturbs me. Adding another 13% of the population to that list should disturb everybody. Why not make a list of EVERYONE who commits a violent crime? Why is it suddenly more disturbing if an alien commits a violent crime instead of a U.S. citizen?
Soda_Muffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, why not have verifiable data for violent crimes for statistics? I didn't think noncitizens were normally counted in population counts though.
ScholarOfTwilight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the FBI collects aggregate statistics but not detailed and publishes them annually, I believe. I'm not sure how this helps us, though. Surely not all illegal aliens are criminals any more than all white or black people are criminals. It's like a bad SAT question which doesn't get us to the heart of stopping crime other than making a single group look bad.
Soda_Muffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more data we have, the more verifiable the "not all" claims are.
They are criminals, that's what "illegal" means. If they're nonviolent then the data should reflect that. We can't determine percentages for them because we don't know how many there are, but that's part of the problem with illegal aliens.
๐๏ธ Michigang ยท 2104 points ยท Posted at 16:20:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump, after winning the election, vowed to "bring people together as never before." Well, this is certainly a novel approach: publishing weekly lists of criminal immigrants. As noted in the article below, we haven't seen this in America before. It was, however, used by Nazis to give credence to their racist trope that Jews were predisposed to crime. So I suppose this is Trump's Administration giving credence to their racist trope that immigrants are predisposed to crime. Anecdotally of interest: Breitbart publishes articles under the tagline "Black Crime" to highlight their racist trope that African Americans are predisposed to crime. Breitbart's publisher, Steven Bannon, is a senior adviser to the Trump Administration.
Yer_A_Wizard_Hagrid ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 19:15:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also of interest: last year Trump tweeted an image of obviously false statistics about crime, including African Americans being responsible for 81% off white homicides. The original graphic came from a neo Nazi website.
Did he tweet it knowing it was a lie and knowing where it came from because he knew it would appeal to his base?
Did he tweet it because he was too careless to check the source or isn't intelligent enough to understand that source matters?
Was it because he, the current president of the United States, is so gullible that he'll believe anything he reads online, without fact checking, even if it's ridiculous?
Or is he just so ready to believe negative things about minorities that the 81% stat didn't seem ridiculous at all?
I'm really not sure which one it is (although I would guess it's some combination of the above), and I'm not sure which reason or motivation is the worst.
DrXaos ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 20:17:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess: he did so because he wanted to feel the adulation of his base by appealing to their shared animosities. Factual truth is irrelevant compared to the emotional charge.
TheOldGuy59 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now now, "alternative facts", remember?
CranberrySchnapps ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:41:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're forgetting that Bannon is probably running the majority of media operations. Trump is just the mouthpiece.
But, I'm becoming genuinely scared for the country. The ease at which Trump's administration lies and the way his supporters unquestioningly consume them is terrifying. It may not be enough for the media to identify his lies if most republicans distrust well established news outlets.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:37:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seriously - that rumpled, obese fuck Bannon wrote the inaugural speech and dogwhistled to his insane pubescent meme army by baneposting IN THE SPEECH
"batshit" does not begin to cover it; he is on record as saying that he wants to burn the whole thing down
also, this
CranberrySchnapps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe I'm writing this, but at least Milo Yiannopoulos is not involved as far as we know.
buuda ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:50:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he doesn't go online but watches TV incessantly. In the last few days he has been tweeting out info he must have gotten from Fox News broadcasts. What I believe is happening is that Steve Bannon is telling him these things and he believes what he is told. I believe his advisors think they can use him for their own purposes.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with your Trump-as-useful-idiot theory
drizzfoshizz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm correct, wasn't this the image that he got called out about on O'Reilly and his response was something like, "What? Am I supposed to fact check everything?"
cregister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When he was asked about it, he said he couldn't be bothered to check the source on it (which was a neo-nazi twitter account) or fact check its statistics (which were fake), because, he said, "I have millions of people."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's no good option there
cgsur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just need to create your alternative reality.
Then you believe your created alternative reality. Then Bam he won the argument and you have to realize he is the greatest.
For example pick a small zone with needed unifying hate object with appropriate tendencies. Maybe add a time frame, you get any statistics you want to back your alternative truth , and of course obfuscate any reasoning or origin.
dizekat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is truly terrifying is that he immediately proceeds to use the state resources to push his propaganda forward, with that list. He knows what he's doing, too - the immigrants in the US have substantially lower crime rate than US citizens do, but publish a list he'll still be promoting the idea that immigrants are more criminal.
The legal immigrants have a particularly exceptional low crime rate as there is a background check combined with the fact that you have to have your shit together to an extent to which most US citizens don't, to be able to immigrate (vast majority of US citizens wouldn't qualify to immigrate to the US if they weren't citizens).
mypasswordismud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found some more information about that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:28:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SocialNationalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes they can.
Yer_A_Wizard_Hagrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's statistic was not a valid statistic. At all.
In fact, the source cited at the bottom of Trump's image is a completely made up organization. It's all made up to scare gullible people. Trump said over 80%of white victims are murdered by blacks. According to the FBI, the real numbers on black on white homicide and white on black are almost completely flipped. The number trump was looking for there was actually 15%. In fact over 80% of white victims are murdered by other whites, which makes total sense, because most murders are done by people the victim knew, and that's more likely to be someone in your own race. The rest of the statistics he shared are less wrong, but still wrong, and also leaning in the direction which makes African Americans look worse.
Do you have a source on the claim that close to half or most crimes are black crimes? No one is saying crime rates between races are equal, because they aren't. The real murder rates are also skewed according to race (to a lesser extent). However, Trump's claim is a complete and utter lie.
Edit: phrasing
shea241 ยท 2075 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump couldn't unify two legos.
DBek23 ยท 393 points ยท Posted at 18:42:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/a/H1eto
He can't even unite a pen and its top.
Edited an apostrophe.
BC-clette ยท 206 points ยท Posted at 18:45:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBF that's probably more physical labour than he's done his entire life.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:41:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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childofeye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
250? your being modest.
Acquilae ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 18:51:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao who taught him to tie a tie? That's one janky knot.
batti03 ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 18:54:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not his dad, that's for sure
anthroengineer ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 19:12:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should start playing his dad on SNL.
EDIT: Also we should get people to play Fred Trump and call him a loser in public.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Impeach_Trump/comments/5qceal/can_we_crowdsource_actors_to_play_fred_trump_in/
AdvicePerson ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:15:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought shirtless Beck Bennett already was.
anthroengineer ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 19:19:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fred Trump.
We should dress a 1000 protesters like Fred Trump and have them follow Trump around calling him a loser.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Impeach_Trump/comments/5qceal/can_we_crowdsource_actors_to_play_fred_trump_in/
Linoftw ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:39:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahhahaha best fucking plan ever.
A_FVCKING_UNICORN ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:41:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These burns are getting evil. Is this r/roastme?
anthroengineer ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:47:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get a kickstarter for this? Have a lone Fred Trump actor in front of the White House 24/7 in shifts just pointing and screaming loser, over and over, again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Impeach_Trump/comments/5qceal/can_we_crowdsource_actors_to_play_fred_trump_in/
A_FVCKING_UNICORN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:51:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my God, that's brutal
SteinBradly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get Soros on the phone! (/s)
TheOldGuy59 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, the way he blows his stack over the most minor of insults, maybe everyone including the media should just amp this up to 99. Who knows, with him being 70 and most likely hypertensive from that attitude of his, something good might happen inside his head.
EDIT: A word, "him" to "his".
anthroengineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yippies terrorized Nixon with shit like this. Trump is like a D-Student Nixonian character, he'll ruin himself via public shaming, and by that I mean, he can't avoid this public rancor, there will be no private thought of his that isn't interlaced with fear of being a failure to the American public for the rest of his life. There is no bubble small enough for him. He'll collapse like a shell-shocked WW I soldier once he is thoroughly reviled enough.
Let's drive him utterly mad with contempt.
TheOldGuy59 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, if we could only summon up the Ghost of Patton to pimp-slap him...
Orangebeardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aw, removed?
thatssoright ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. He plays his Daddy. Not his Dad.
OrkBegork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good thing is that with klan robes and hood on, anyone could do a convincing impression.
trotptkabasnbi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impersonating someone's dead father for the purpose of insulting them is pretty disgusting. Trump is undoubtedly bad for this country, but by doing such a thing you would debase yourself.
anthroengineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viciously lampooning the POTUS in a ghoulish way is an inarguable American right.
trotptkabasnbi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You definitely have the right to do that. And you also have the right to play with your own shit in the bathtub. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
anthroengineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like we go to different kinds of parties.
IBetThisIsTakenToo ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:11:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also always has them hilariously long. It looks so silly.
ArtysFartys ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 20:03:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at his tie in this picture
http://www.refinery29.com/2017/01/137981/president-trump-first-tv-interview
Compensating much?
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:08:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Nedzulla ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:27:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, doesn't look like it's too long. He's just fat.
cenosillicaphobiac ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:57:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I weighed 300 lbs my ties looked exactly like his. Comically short small end, preposterously long big end, otherwise it would have ended at the top of my belly shelf.
a_wild_redditor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... which it should have been in that photo, that button looks like it's about to pop off.
bullintheheather ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:48:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFC, he's like a toddler trying to wear big boy clothes.
ArtysFartys ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 21:09:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He needs to own up to his weight and get better fitting clothes. I really don't like to fat bash but for him, the ultimate woman body shamer, there are no fucks to give.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:25:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between bodyshaming and pointing out that the guy wears suits that look like they were tailored by a half-blind seamstress with delirium tremens in a funhouse mirror. He can afford proper attire, but this is what he thinks 'success' looks like. He's the fucking President, you'd think he'd at least dress like it, even if he's mentally incapable of acting like it.
Donnadre ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:32:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about a guy who applies orange pancake makeup and leaves large raccoon ovals around the eyes.
IsNotACleverMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that suits don't fit well for a person with a giant gut
bingaman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of fat guys who can pull it off. This guy is just a slob con man not a billionaire. I don't know how anyone falls for that shit. He might be a billionaire once he's done selling out the country I guess.
muzakx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/#trumpisfat
Should be trending on Twitter.
ArtysFartys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scroll down until you get to him boarding Marine One. Dat Ass!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4160648/President-Trump-takes-trip-Marine-One.html
Donnadre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's apparently been dealing with that issue by just progressively increasing his claimed height. Fake height totally helps fix the height to weight ratio.
bingaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Six foot celery
Raezak_Am ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the hair...
tomdarch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:34:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect it has to do with some crazy attempt to cover up how fat he is.
In general though, while he's full of shit about his actual net worth, he's very much rich enough to have people help him look decent in public and get suits that fit, even if it means extensive tailoring.
His inability to understand that he looks terrible is probably his narcissism, but we can infer that he refuses to allow anyone to help him get his shit together looks-wise, including his clearly fashion-aware wife.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding the good ratio is the hardest part.
2legit2fart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen Colbert did that on his show. It was so funny! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0L9ZDnOB5ZU
Also, of course he's compensating. I've never seen someone so obsessed with size in my life.
Kickawesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he's rocking the oversized powersuits and fat long ties from the 90s
cenosillicaphobiac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I used to wear my ties too, when I was 300 lbs. The short end was hilariously short, and the long end comically long, otherwise it would end at the top of my belly shelf.
As a result, I avoided ties. Now I look for reasons to wear them!
Jmandr2 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 20:13:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone pointed out yesterday, with pics, that he's so bad at it that he has to use scotch tape to keep the tail in place.
capnofasinknship ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what
grungepig ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:46:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.esquire.com/style/news/a51174/donald-trump-tapes-his-tie/
Mikey_B ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:22:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've lost all ability to focus on my work because of this. Something about it feels like the straw that finally broke the camel's back and is making my world come crashing down. How could anyone in the wide world of humanity even consider doing this? Literal five-year-olds would come up with a better solution. I am totally dumbfounded.
WHY?????????
Donnadre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once worked with a man who was fashion challenged and did a similar thing but with a stapler. He was a bigoted leader of the free world though.
Amanita_ocreata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have started to wonder if he has a fine motor control problem that makes it difficult for him to use a tie pin. It would also help explain why he is so uncomfortable with people paying too much attention to his hands.
Radioiron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've entertained this thought before. He signed everything in thick gold sharpie right? Now everything he signs is in thick black felt tip pen. Those felt tips on both have a lot of friction on paper and don't slide around easily, unlike ballpoints which roll all around if you can't control them well. I've seen elderly people's handwriting when it gets hard for them to manipulate things and there's a lot of "wiggle" around, or when they have obvious tremors. The resistance of a felt tip could help control this wobble.
And when you look at his signature it's really up and down squiggles, and very big. He could just be signing it big as an ego thing (trying to be the next John Hancock) or its to overcome fine motor trouble by using larger movements. A lot of conditions that can have effects on mental capacity also degrade fine motor movements.
I know this sounds very conspiratorial and far fetched but I just keep seeing little things like that and it just keeps adding up in my head. It also just could be I can't help but analyze everything he does.
Jmandr2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:12:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The short bit behind the tie. He ties it so short it doesn't reach the holder and I guess he's never heard of a tie clip. So he tapes it to the back.
capnofasinknship ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god that's hilarious
RamuneSour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's just as infuriating is that he could just have his ties made longer, it's not like he can't afford it! Also, if you shop at any big and tall men's store, the ties are longer!
And, of course, tie bars are always classy.
I can't even.
SomeGuyNamedJames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can anyones reach those damn holders? If I left mine long enough to reach that my tie would stop above my belly button.
Nedzulla ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:25:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Over tightend half-windsor. What is this, middle school?
rokr1292 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pratt knot best knot.
JeremyStoppelman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is that a half? looks like a full windsor to me.
pigeondoubletake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're right too symmetrical to be a half-Windsor. It still looks terrible though.
WhyLisaWhy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The damn thing usually hangs down to his crotch too. Colbert was cracking me up the other day when he came out with it hanging all the way down to his pant leg.
InvadedByMoops ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same people who tailor his suits.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baron did it for him.
tallmidgety ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same person who taught him to comb his hair.
spotted_dick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:29:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's probably a clip-on. No way he can tie a tie with those tiny hands
pkcs11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was my first thought. I mean, it's at least a double-windsor, but he has no idea how to tighten it.... maybe he got it caught in his bike chain?
DBek23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe it got caught in the gaping anus he calls a belly button.
frzferdinand72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would think Steve Harvey would have fixed his tie for him when they met.
Donnadre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't all real mean use scotch tape to fasten their ties?
Qubeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a small knot. If it were any bigger, he wouldn't be able to handle it.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holeee shit I can tie a tie better than that.
pensee_idee ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:53:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imma put this in the "evidence that Trump has dementia" pile.
Any1ButYouRoman ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:26:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine thats a big fucking pile
Militant_Homofascist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:34:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't his dad get Alzheimer's at 68? Trump is 70. That makes it super likely that Trump has Alzheimer's.
cb1037 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:39:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a sign of Alzheimers or dementia.
MakoTitan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at those tiny tiny hands...
xereeto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a pen...
I have a apple...
ArtysFartys ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:08:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a little run head over to photshopbatles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/5q9go7/psbattle_trump_trying_to_close_his_pen/
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang, I was about to post this :(
crawlerz2468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I shall make this my wallpaper and get a daily chuckle.
clamatowas ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Militant_Homofascist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I'm pretty sure that he's putting it on, and is eerily reminiscent of a Muslim prayer ritual that requires the sacrifice of a newborn child.
Why do you support a child murderer? Because that's what Trump is.
clamatowas ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:11:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK.. can you show me when he killed a Muslim child?
Unlike Obama that blew up a wedding and a Doctors With Out Borders Hospital...
Also, I'm pretty sure the #1 threat to muslim children are Muslim men, epically if it's a girl. Considering how they still kill baby girls, never stop killing each-other, oh and yeah child rape / it's not murder to kill your wife. Especially if she did not obey you..
Militant_Homofascist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:29:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say he killed a Muslim child. What kinda fake news are you reading?
clamatowas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:38:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said Muslim prayer ritual that required the sacrifice of a child. We all know Muslims kill more Muslims then any other groups. Especially their girls.
DynamicDK ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 19:56:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is unifying women, scientists, environmentalists, immigrants, minorities, entertainers, and many other groups. As time goes on, that list will grow.
He is also energizing them. Pushing them to take time out of their lives to get involved. He may inadvertently be the spark that ignites a political revolution.
dishler712 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 20:30:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's all on purpose. Maybe he's pulling an Ozymandias from Watchmen. Maybe he thinks he's sacrificing himself and millions of others for the greater good of everyone.
Or maybe he's just a hateful idiot.
ElToberino ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:03:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And maybe he's uniting humanity so we can develop the technology to deliver a part to a Tralfamadorean ambassador whose spaceship broke down on one of Saturn's moons
He's probably just a hateful idiot though
Party_Wolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is bizarrely Rumfoordian when you think about it
gardevoiir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
now let's not get too farfetched with these possibilities
I doubt the man has even a drop of sympathy and empathy for people outside of his circles
Victorian_Astronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if I didn't have enough things to hate about the T, my husband pointed out to me yesterday that he never marries within his own social circles. His chooses wives who are beautiful, and far below him economically. He finds women who "owe" him everything.
SeedofWonder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna bet that nothing is done about this?
Anghellik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a mindblow. "He sacrificed his reputation for our unity"
magicsonar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually do think there can a positive side to this. It's time for moderates, people in the center of politics to define a new vision. The Democrats have lost their way. They have become consumed by the money driven system of Washington. Perhaps people will realize now if they sit on the fence the country might as well be flushed down the toilet.
comamoanah ยท 459 points ยท Posted at 18:27:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not. His hands are too small to hold them.
ravenkain251 ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 19:07:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why he buys strong, large handed, Russian lady for wife.
Mike_Aurand ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:13:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Slovenian
Not trying to petty; It's just that she's from that part of Europe where you really, really don't wanna get someone's ethnicity wrong.
ravenkain251 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily I'm not likely to ever travel that way nor am I important enough to be noticed by his mighty orangeness
h3lblad3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He retweets random schoolkids. No one is unimportant enough.
LatvianLion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:48:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you ever do travel to Latvia I can host you and buy you the first round..
ravenkain251 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:13:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you very much. So you are the first person I've met from Latvia...Doing a good job at first impressions! Lol
LatvianLion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:24:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only offer for people who think bad of my country, those who do not wish for NATO to help keep peace from Russia, is to invite them here, show the vibrant Western democracy my forefathers have managed to create.
ed_lv ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:06:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slovenians are pretty tame when it comes to that part of the world.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slovenia is pretty nice actually. It's comparable to Sweden.
Although I still agree we should be accurate about her ethnicity.
Timbershoe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:34:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slovenia and Sweden are comparable in the same way that New York is comparable to Detroit.
I've taken the sleeper train from Vienna to Slovenia. The differences are stark. You can see the soviet hangover. The on board dinner was a hot sausage and a slice of bread.
Sweden is by any comparison one of the nicest countries in the world. It has the highest happiness rating in the world. It's an amazing place to work in, public transport is cheap and awesome. Every 5th car seems to be a Tesla.
ThoseProse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that part of Europe not want Russia to start taking over the former soviet bloc?
Edit: I was wrong in thinking Slovenia was near/in the Russian bloc.
PlayMp1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slovenia borders Austria and Croatia, it was hundreds of miles from the Soviet border and has never been part of the Russian empire or USSR. It's not one of the areas that should be worried about Russian encroachment directly. Those areas would be Finland and the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. That said, Belarus has already been incredibly close to Russia for ages (I think they already have made a preliminary agreement to integrate Belarus into Russia). Poland wants nothing to do with Russia after spending centuries under their thumb (over a hundred years from the last partition of Poland until WW2, then about 50 years from ~1945 to ~1989). Ukraine is the midst of civil war over whether they're wanting to join Russia or not.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:36:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finns want nothing to do with Russia's plans either. They already kicked them out once.
AHedgeKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So did the Poles? Who cares what Finland did a hundred years ago.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finns. That's why they have an Independence Day, champ.
AHedgeKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes obviously everyone cares about shit that happened hundreds to thousands of years ago in a national pride sense, you really got me. Never realized.
The point is that just because the Finns bloodied the Soviet nose before even WW2 broke out (and mind you, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best, and a loss at worst), doesn't mean the nation today somehow has nothing to fear from Russia, or could easily repel an invasion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you copy and paste for me exactly where I said they could easily repel an invasion and have nothing at all to fear? Thanks.
ThoseProse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:09:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well thank you for the history and geography lesson. I had no idea.
MasterCatSkinner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:34:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good, atleast shes a racist too.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Pichus_Wrath ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 20:03:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Megablox are to Lego what Brietbart is to the New York Times.
PrincessSnowy_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you megablox had the Dragons sets and those are the best.
Pichus_Wrath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a megablox jet kit and those pieces wouldn't connect for shit, it was so frustrating to build anything.
runninhillbilly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had some MB models and I legitimately had to use a hammer to get some of the pieces to go together.
redmage753 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:42:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's giving Breitbart way too much credit.
Mackinz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lego are amazing, but Megablox is its own thing with its own unique sets like the Halo series. The comparison you propose is not apt in my opinion.
kohlmar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there may have been some improvements in QC some time in the late aughts. When I was a kid though Megablox were very much inferior to LEGO.
Tahl_eN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Lego's patent on block dimensions expired and the quality of most building sets improved dramatically over night. Mega Bloks in the 80's and 90's were rubbish, but the new ones are nearly as good as Lego.
celsiusnarhwal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch. Lego was better, but Mega Bloks weren't that bad.
Solracziad ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:04:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duplo is the word, ya'll lookin' for.
Admiral_Dillhole ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:20:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Merica got Duploed.
Gutbucket1968 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Duplo was the all-ages remixes of Diplo.
ax255 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duplo is legit, at least it is still made by Lego.
Solracziad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Word up. I just figured the lack of choking hazards would most benefit someone at Trump intellectual level.
PewPews ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, DUPLO is made by LEGO, trump isn't going to spend any more than he has to on connecting blocks. I am sure he is fine with Megablocks and their terrible design and clutch power.
darryh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duplo is a Lego product. They are Legos for babies and toddlers.
Solracziad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/gallery/U7Ghu2s
itsnotgoingtohappen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nahhh, duplo is the Washington Post to Lego's New York Times to Megablox's Breitbart.
CosmicSpaghetti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Megablox: Not even once.
DrinkOneForMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strong like bull.
crawlerz2468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Lana?
Letchworth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:21:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He uses the Kragle for that.
KFlaps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he strikes me as a Duplo kinda guy
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:31:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his idea of unity is "everyone bow down to me"
Morial ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:25:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
bajesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still figuring out Mega Bloks
ThePassionOfTheRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably enjoys seeing people step on legos.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he plays with Megablocks.
ParisGreenGretsch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also would have accepted "Lincoln Logs."
mcscoopy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would stack two building blocks and say he did -citing altentive unification technique
edit a to to two
JennJayBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all are being a little too hard on the poor fellow. Why, just this past weekend, he unified millions of women all over the globe!
(against him)
MAGADABADOO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's unfair to say. I think he could do that.
Nomandate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's more of a duplo guy with those tiny hands...
TeaBagginton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to print out and frame this post.
Voroxpete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duplo's. He's not mature enough to be allowed to play with lego yet.
musicotic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He only unified over 4 million women to march against him.
hbetx9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump couldn't unify opposing magnets.
shea241 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice
Gutbucket1968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duplo's at that.
SurprisinglyMellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh he's uniting the people alright, uniting them against him.
AndroidLivesMatter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should make a meme.
judgej2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two whats?
photoframes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duplos *
the_leprechauns_anus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the guy try to put a pen cap back on a pen?
vagimuncher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or cap and pen.
obitrice-kanobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he steps on them barefoot regularly.
The legos I mean
jdg_dc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
TheOldGuy59 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He couldn't unite the north pole of a magnet to the south pole of a magnet.
crawlerz2468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no I think he has. Follow me on this. Half the country hates that orange dildo outright. Scientists, rich entrepreneurs, women, and his own motherfucking departments that keep quitting. Hell even the actors keep dying just to not live through his presidency. He has also united Europe and perhaps the world against him.
jordanthejordna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe if they're white legos
OrkBegork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give him some credit. He managed to unite crypto-fascists and mainstream conservatives with straight up fascists and neo-nazis.
Revoran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not. LEGO is made in Sweden and everyone knows Swedes are filthy atheist socialists waiting to revolt against capitalist Jesus.
The_Tuek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is uniting America against a common enemy, him. I never thought I'd find common cause with David brooks, Glenn beck, or mit Romney.
Final_Senator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hands are too small he needs Lincoln logs
BigSexyTolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Obama did such a good job?
Politics_r_us ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. There seems to be a good bit of unity beginning to coalesce in the streets and in mainstream media these days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shea241 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plural of 'lego' is 'legen', actually.
dookieofdoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's going to unify the rest of the world against him and his fanatics
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He can't even unite his head and his toupee.
raudssus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:05:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/QOMbSPl.gif
paraguas23 ยท 281 points ยท Posted at 16:56:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order says all inmigrants. Not just undocumented
jkwah ยท 450 points ยท Posted at 17:15:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a legal European immigrant who has lived in the US since 1998, I'm seriously considering leaving this country and going back to the EU.
Actions like this make me fear my own safety.
spaghettiAstar ยท 275 points ยท Posted at 18:43:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here and it's really disappointing to me.. I moved here when I was a teenager, and I decided to stay here alone after my parents went back to Ireland. I had to join the Army to get my citizenship and I lived on my recruiters couch for a few weeks while I waited to leave for training. I deployed twice, and took 3 bullets, I literally bled so that I could call this country my own. It's been less than 10 years and I feel rejected. I've had people yell at me to take an American flag off my hat because they found out I was born in Europe, even though it was the same hat and flag that I was given in the military.
I'm so close to finishing school, months, and there are times I seriously feel like just throwing it away and going back to work on the family farm.
[deleted] ยท 195 points ยท Posted at 19:27:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 20:26:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Philly's mayor got the ball rolling today, detailing a few of the major accomplishments of immigrants in our city: http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/20170126_Commentary__Show_the_GOP_what_a_thriving__diverse_city_is__Philadelphia.html
Ohnana_ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:18:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES. Mayor Kenney is the shit, and I will fight anyone who says otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ctaly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:34:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Themselves is fighting words! At the corner after school, you and me!!
Donnadre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boston's mayor has pledged to use city hall to harbor immigrants.
I can see logistical problems with that, but it's the right sentiment.
Xander707 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:10:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am on board with this. It's a great idea. We must fight prejudice and bigotry at every opportunity.
sirspidermonkey ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:36:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No because that sounds like an excuse.
We should publish the list of crimes committed by American citizens every week. It'll be much longer.
Sure it won't be an apples to apples comparison in terms of sample size. But facts don't matter anymore and sample size is just a theory.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:41:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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zenthr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:41:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that would be "politically motivated fake news"...
Aroonroon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or let's try not to play his disgusting game at all and take to the streets instead.
sirspidermonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The streets accomplish nothing except giving the opposition a chance to portray you as a rioter, and maybe an arrest record.
Sure you can take to the streets in a free speech zone miles away from...where ever. No one will see you and if they do they won't care.
The only way to win this fight is to battle for the hearts and minds of the people who voted for them. Pull them back into reality.
makemeking706 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a list of white-collar crimes and those dollar figures? Give the people a load of the real crime problem.
sirspidermonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White color crime is:
makemeking706 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, those are all true. That's part of the reason why we focus so heavily on street crimes, while overlooking the significant harms being done.
paffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people would appear on the immigrant list and the American citizen list. Just being an immigrant doesn't mean you're not American. And there's a thing called the courts that already deals with crimes. The only purpose of Trump's list is to rouse hatred.
dizekat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he has the government resources to push his list. That's what's so terrifying. The first thing he's doing is using state (I mean, government) resources to push his propaganda, which is exactly how dictators operate - they get themselves to be popular by using their government's resources for propaganda.
DoktorSoviet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a list deatiling the weekly crimes committed by Republicans.
I guarantee it would be far larger too.
TopographicOceans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bigger. It'll be yuuuuge!
Sly_Wood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Positivity doesn't generate media coverage. No one cares especially these alt right. It's easy to hate. Noble idea but wishful thinking.
Any1ButYouRoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno something tells me Trump has the best lists
superbad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will have the best list.
cgsur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They will counter with a lot of noise and overblown facts, even add some lies if needed.
Their pockets are also lined with taxpayers money.
They will use the nations money to fight the nation.
ishywho ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 19:07:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your service and I'm so sorry you have gotten this treatment. The majority dont feel this way.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 19:32:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CapOnFoam ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:46:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does regular, on-going, vocal dissent look like to you? As in, daily or weekly activities that an average person like me (41/f/middle class) can do that will get noticed by other average citizens & people posting on reddit?
I see people complaining about everyone being silent or dismissive, but a LOT of my friends are quite vocal & politically involved (fundraising for candidates, writing to reps, encouraging ppl to vote, etc). How do we make that visible to people so that they see that we on the left aren't sitting idly by (especially in a red state in the midwest where I live)?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CapOnFoam ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do go to protests. But how will OP know? OP will think I'm continuing to sit in silence.
I'm largely being sarcastic, but really just... annoyed that people think that a bunch of us are silent just because they don't see mass demonstrations every day or something? Dunno.
enchiloda ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:16:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except this also does nothing. 2 million people took to the streets just 5 days ago. And so what?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:30:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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enchiloda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In principle, I'm with you. In reality, the country is collectively sitting on their asses right now. Another march 2 months from now (April 15th) is probably too little too late. There needs to be mass numbers of people in the streets every day. Right now we're lucky to get a couple hundred.
As for Trumpeters going too far, they're already going too far. The Trumpers on my FB feed are absolutely elated that we're going to charge bystanders with 10 years prison and a felony. And they can't wait for "law and order". I'm not counting on them suddenly having a crisis of conscience once someone gets hurt.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bystanders? Last I heard the ones that got arrested and charged were the ones that were actually rioting.
enchiloda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Over 200 people were arrested en masse. Only a few actually did damage to property
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/business/media/journalists-arrested-trump-inauguration.html?_r=0
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, ok. Thanks for the article.
h3lblad3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustained protest is the only protest. Just like a strike, if it ends after the first day then it was a waste of time.
After Bloody Thursday in the 1930s, San Francisco was shut down for four days. The US Postal Strike in the 70s lasted two weeks. If you're only willing to show up and then leave having "said your piece", they'll just wait until you go away and carry on business as usual.
tomdarch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.indivisibleguide.com/
This site has a link so you can find local groups. Pick one and join. Keep up to date on what's going on and volunteer a little time. Get to know people so that you're forming some community.
Indivisible specifically is about how to put pressure on and influence politicians who are currently in office. They watched how the Tea Party did stuff, and are trying to learn some of the effective parts, without the hate and insanity.
Figure out which political/social organizations look like they'll be most effective and donate. Only a very small percentage of the population make political donations, and donating more than $200 per year puts you in the top 1% of people who make political donations.
MistaHiggins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how would /u/caponfoam have communicated any of that information so that /u/SlaughterhouseIce9 wouldn't have made the assumption that she was part of some silent majority? Is she (or I) expected to list all of the ways that we are politically active in every one of our posts so that we aren't automatically assumed to be a silent bystander?
Farts_McGee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister went to the march, and i'm trying to make sure i'm available for the scientist march, but aside from what you've mentioned, my wife and I have been stitching the star wars Rebellion logo on our backpacks. Not sure if it'll catch on but we saw it a ton at the women's march.
CapOnFoam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw those too! That's actually a really good point, putting a sticker or patch on a car or bag.
fatsack ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call George soros and ask him how you can work for his agendas. He'll give you a job and transportation and you can be an anarchist too!
MistaHiggins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa fella, are you sure that paintbrush is wide enough for you?
ishywho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm not sure they are silent. The sheer numbers showing up for the Womens March in every state is pretty good start on things.
fatsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a trump supporter, if I saw anyone disrespect a soldier for being an immigrant I would fuck them up.
ecila ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about that time your president disrespected a dead solider's family for being Muslim immigrants? You gonna fuck him up too?
fatsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely different situations.
spaghettiAstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that I know the majority doesn't feel that way is why I want to stay, despite my girlfriend begging me almost daily to go. I feel like there's still a fight to be had, and I want to be part of that fight. I've given lectures to committees in congress (didn't do anything) got a face to face meeting with my representative the other day (don't think it'll do anything), but there's still a fight.
It's just really disappointing what we've become. It's disappointing that people will value my opinion less because I was born in another country (I mean for fucks sake, it was Ireland, we're just a bunch of lovable drunks) if I don't side with them on an issue. I feel like a WASP dad, I'm not mad I'm just disappointed.
ishywho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you are doing things, lots of folks are awakened and doing things. Its going to take some time but I have hope and actions. Laying down and ignoring this hoping for the best is not an option.
[deleted] ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:57:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See it's this kind of story that I want to ram down Trump's supporters' throats. So often the immigration control/reformation crowd is really the "anti-anyone who hasn't lived here for generations" crowd. They're not pro-American, they're pro-tribe. This country allows you to immigrate, to come over and live here. When you get naturalized, by whatever legal means, you are an American. Full stop. I'm sorry you've had to deal with shit like that after your experience, I'd bet my life you've done more with your life and more for this country than those people yelling ever have or will.
SeedofWonder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, they support this.
You guys have missed the point entirely. Hardcore Trumpers WILL SUPPORT ANYTHING HE DOES. I don't see why you guys are waiting for something horrible to show to them. It does not matter, it will not matter and it won't ever matter.
We need to focus on energizing our base, not usurping his.
This is important to remember. Trumpers' morality has left the equation over a year ago. The GOP WILL NOT stand up to him.
Stop the madness
spaghettiAstar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting, I have friends, close friends even, that have the same attitude, they say that people who weren't born here need to leave, regardless. Even if I point out that I wasn't born here, sometimes they'll go "Oh but you're different, you've made something out of yourself!" (I'm finishing up grad school), but it's still the same crap. I've noticed many who have this viewpoint have never really traveled outside of their immediate area, not for long term anyway, and most never really got involved in another culture, and I'm sure that's a big part of it.
Maverick721 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But but her emails
scylla ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:16:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are crazy times but who were these people who yelled at a White, US Army veteran for being born in Europe?
spaghettiAstar ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:30:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Older white angry conservatives who were lawyers and believed that Scalia was the best thing to happen to the Supreme Court. It was pretty stupid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shhalahr ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:32:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Antonin Scalia was a right wing Supreme Court Justice. Consistently voted in favor of conservative rulings, such as those in the Hobby Lobby and Citizens United cases. Also dissented in Obgerfell v Hodges, which legalized same-sex marriage throughout the US. His death last year created the opening on the Court that the Republicans in Congress refused to consider even filling while Obama remained in office.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:35:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shhalahr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem.
borkborkborko ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:36:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pieces of shit.
Anyone who supports Republicans is a traitor to humanity and an irrecoverable scumbag in my eyes.
Sanginite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty broad statement about 60 million people.
dylan2451 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:29:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Former conservative leaning Supreme Court Justice who was nominated by Reagan. He died probably close to a year ago. Donald Trump is set to nominate a judge to fill in his empty seat.
IsNotACleverMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an understatement
spaghettiAstar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:04:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Supreme Court justice who died last year, the one that Republicans blocked Obama from nominating his replacement.
SandCatEarlobe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They might be the parents of the kids who told my 13yo American cousin, also white, that he'd be deported because one of his parents was born in Europe although both he and his parents are US citizens.
mehmehmine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you just assumed he(/she) is white. There are non white people in Europe/Ireland. FYI
Mr_Diggums ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:28:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on now. That's true but there's nothing wrong with assuming that an immigrant from a country that is 94% Irish/white is white themselves.
There are non-black immigrants from Africa and non-Hispanic immigrants from Mexico, but a likely guess is that the vast majority are black or Hispanic
spaghettiAstar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay, I'm white2, it was a fair guess.
scylla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many non-white people in Ireland 20+ years ago?
robbywestside ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I served with many immigrants and they were some of the best Marines I've ever known.
borkborkborko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Ireland would reject you if you came back. You are welcome here in Europe.
spaghettiAstar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:03:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, I know I'd be welcome home with open arms from my family and my little village. There's just not the type of jobs that I'm looking for there, and I feel like it's a waste to go be a farmer. However I have a box of cash and my passport ready if I feel like I have to go.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bleeding for the flag you chose. I respect the hell out of you. It helps that you're Irish too. Put your head down and finish school. After that, the choice is yours.
Erin go Bragh
Slรกinte
spaghettiAstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I'll likely stay here, just because the jobs are better for my field than in Ireland. Plus I like that California is gearing up to lead the resistance to Trump's regime, and I want to make sure I support efforts for California Single Payer and things like that.
Merzeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn dude, I'm so sorry to hear that. I honestly don't blame you for feeling that way. There are times where I don't even feel welcome, so I can't imagine this for you.
As someone who has a lot of immigrants and people born of immigrants in my family, whenever I see that some members of my family voted Trump, my blood boils. I've never been so disgusted in my life. These are they same people who will laud a family member who was KIA, born of an illegal, yet vote in favor of such nationalistic policy.
I'm not sure how much of this made sense, but know that I feel your pain.
Vindensang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're white, you'll be fine.
As incredibly fucked up as that is, that's life now.
fatsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't listen to them. They are not what the majority believe. You are a veteran that risked his life for our country. You are an American don't let anyone tell you differently.
Okit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finish your schooling and just think -- you unlike many other Americans have the flexibility to flee before the shit hits the fan.
minnesnowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to thank you for your service. How horrible one must be to demand the removal of an American flag from a veteran's hat. Best of luck on whatever decision you make.
Edit: an extra word
TheOldGuy59 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all soldier, thank you. From me.
Second of all, don't let the fucking bastards win. Please.
Third of all, wear that flag proudly, because unlike most of the hateful Trump supporters I know, you've EARNED the right to wear it and they didn't.
We're not all hate filled idiots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MacDegger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finish it or regret it forever.
No matter what, just finish and get that piece of paper.
A few months of hardship is nothing against years of regret.
spaghettiAstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, I will. Nothing has motivated me more than a fear of facing myself after quitting.
ke_marshall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here as a legal non-immigrant worker (professor) on an H1B (from Canada). This shit is terrifying me. Am I the only one who noticed that it's "criminal acts" and not "convicted of crime"? What exactly defines a "criminal act"?
MoonCleric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm American and I just wanted to say that you have a place here. Those people who told you to take your hat off probably call themselves patriots but they are the opposite. However I understand wanting to leave.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is so fucking rage-inducing. These people make the biggest deal about how you need to support the troops and veterans to be a patriot and then prove they don't believe in it a single bit with bullshit like this. It's all just an act put on for political brownie points.
arcticblue ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 19:33:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is a Japanese immigrant. We spent 10 years in Japan and then came here last year. We just received her green card this month and I'm already trying to figure out how we can go back to Japan. Every single day I feel more and more like this was a big mistake to come back here. My wife feels unwelcome and unsafe here now. I never felt like that when I lived in Japan. At least the school system is better here for our kids...for now.
FloydMontel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:32:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What state are you in? You might like CA, NY, or WA better.
arcticblue ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:30:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, moving elsewhere in the US isn't really an option. We moved here partly for family reasons so our kids could get to know the American side of their family. So if we were to look in to moving to another state, I'd prefer to just go back to Japan to be near our family there. Where we are currently isn't that bad though. It's just frustrating seeing what's going on at the national level...what happens with healthcare is going to have a big impact on where we live in the future.
FloydMontel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. It does suck that the government is doing one hell of a job of even making their citizens feel welcome right now. Whatever you do I hope it works out man.
ShillinOut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:30:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just curious. If the people there are nice and you like the schools, what exactly are you afraid of?
arcticblue ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:52:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthcare is the big one, but it's just lots of little things that kind of add up so that when we compare how we lived in Japan and our general happiness, going back is tempting.
One thing that bothers my wife is the prevalence of guns...she's just not used to it and it makes her nervous to be out and about. In Japan, we could go for a walk at night anywhere without worry, but not so much here. It doesn't bother me personally, but it bothers my wife and her happiness and comfort impacts mine. She thought it wouldn't bother her much before we moved here, but it is (she freaked out when we visited my racist uncle and he told us to not let the kids leave our site and not to touch anything because he had loaded guns hidden all over the house to protect himself from the government when they come to take his guns...).
As for schools, they are indeed better. One thing I didn't like about Japan was the education system. Preschool and kindergarten were outstanding, but right off the bat in 1st grade it's nothing but hours and hours of homework. The school my son was going to didn't even have a computer lab. There were some good things about the school system, but overall, I prefer the US system. But my oldest son (2nd grade) has not adjusted well to school here and has developed "selective mutism" and its severely affecting his grades. He's extremely anti-social now and it's starting to become his part of his personality whereas before he was outgoing and had a ton of friends. It pains me to see him struggle like that so going back for his sake is another point in the "move back to Japan" box. Even though I prefer the education system here, I don't want to negatively affect his mental development. We thought it was a phase and that he'd come out of his shell after a few months, but it's been over a year now and has only gotten worse.
There's lots of little things though and it's difficult to list them all. Life in Japan wasn't perfect, but we were happier and healthier. The general direction the US is going is worrisome especially with regards to relationships in Asia and that's very concerning for my wife and I. Racism is still very much alive and well and my wife sees it especially when we visit further south (she's Okinawan, but has been mistaken for Mexican a couple times and we have heard comments about our interracial marriage and children). My wife not being Christian has been a source of contention with some of my family and certain neighbors which bothers us. We miss Japan where religion just wasn't a big deal. The immigration process was ridiculously expensive and absurdly complicated which made initial impressions of life in the US that of frustration. For comparison, for me to get an equivalent visa in Japan, it cost $40 and the process took two weeks.
If they fuck up healthcare though, it's pretty much guaranteed we'll go back as I have a preexisting condition and my wife is a high risk for cancer and healthcare in Japan is far more affordable and makes more sense.
That said, it hasn't been awful living here...just disappointing. And President Trump makes us doubt whether or not we made the right choice going so far in to debt to move here. Another state would probably be better for us. We did consider NY and WA, but for family reasons, we are where we are. But when I see my family post shit on Facebook trying to explain how the Muslim Brotherhood was behind the protests on Saturday, I wonder to myself why I moved here to be near them.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Massachusetts too, though it's cold as fuck a lot of the year
Donnadre ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel your concern, but I question if fleeing is ultimately best.
I still cling to the hope that this rise of unfettered bigotry is still a that of a minority - albeit a powerful and vocal one.
Standing up against it may be the better long term choice.
This could be naive, but my wish is that this Trump-Bannon alt right experiment implodes and serves as a long lasting reminder of what our true American values are, and the risk of entrusting too much power to blatant supremacists. I'm somewhat relieved that the alt-right didn't elect a more smooth talking leader, one with actual edcuation, literacy, speaking skills, and discipline, one without a 60 year documented history of evil behavior. Such a personality would be harder to unseat and disregard than Trump.
arcticblue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:01:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that is the silver lining of a Trump presidency. I see every day more and more people regretting their vote after they realize that the shit he said on the campaign trail and the actions he's taking now actually affect them personally. Part of me hopes he gets every single policy he wants through and when the price of food and healthcare (if they can get it) skyrockets and private, for-profit, toll roads pop up all over the place, people will finally come to their senses. They'll probably just blame Obama somehow, but I'm hoping for the best and I hope that people come to their senses before things get bad.
Dellato88 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:52:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a first generation American I also fear for my safety and I actually also have some fear that my citizenship might be revoked for not being American enough, whatever that means.
Luckily I have the option of moving to either Latin America or to the EU as I have dual citizenship
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:28:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PongoWillHelpYou ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:57:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daughter of the American Revolution on both sides of my family... Take me too!
DontCallMeTJ ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 17:21:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a citizen born in this country, can I come with you?
EDIT: I can do a spelling
arcknight01 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 20:12:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats, You are officially qualified to be the next Secretary of Education!
DontCallMeTJ ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:20:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yaaay! First order of business, heads up 7up EVERY DAY!
elligirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then Duck Duck Goose? Please please please?
ShynessEst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And naps for all!
TacoTuesdayGaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a plan, TJ.
DontCallMeTJ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaand you have detention.
meeeehhhhhhh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like my dream. You'd be a pick I wouldn't call my senator over!
Freeiheit ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:05:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please do
CpnStumpy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A spelling? L-I-B-E-R-T-Y, I did a spelling, now can I come too?
GunzGoPew ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:07:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've started thinking about going back to Ireland myself.
My parents are getting older and this country is going to shit. Maybe it's time to just pack it up.
wickedbadnaughtyZoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you get along with and love them, helping them through their last years is a big reward in itself, regardless of political climate.
OMGSPACERUSSIA ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 17:22:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you feel this is an irredeemable blow to US democracy, and that the country just can't be fixed, then you should go.
But if you think there's still a chance to fix it, then please stay. If you've got citizenship then your vote counts, and we'll need every vote we can get. You can help make 2018 a true and decisive victory for democracy.
THAT0NEASSHOLE ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 18:18:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been a lifelong citizen and seeing these first couple days of his presidency makes me think the us will not be economically viable enough to support a family when I'm out of college in December.
I want to stay and make it better, but it seems like a lost cause now. Far right people have majority control and support no clean energy initiatives. Trump's actions so far don't actually create many, if any, jobs, eg a wall instead of more permanent guards. My view up to this point was I don't really care about policy of either party as long as we're focusing on the future of our planet and the people who will be living here, not short term wins that mean nothing in the long run. Sad that's been mostly Dems as I don't agree with all democratic policy.
But really it seems like only impeachment followed by a reelection is our only way out of this shit hole. I hope it actually happens, and soon.
fluffykerfuffle1 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 19:27:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah there is this problem ...all the conservative republicans in congress and in governorships and in the executive branch seem so hostile, unfriendly and mean... actually not caring what happens to people here in america...
and then i realise that my community has quite a few republicans.
and i just don't want to live with them.. they are so mean and have undermined so much that we have done in this town.. and they think its great... fine... admirable..
and actually i wouldnt care except they are ruining the spirit of our town. they destroyed our exceptionally fine newspaper and our summer fair and an arts event we have every year... just took over and killed them or took over and nullified their spirit.
the_undine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:03:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:13:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hacienda10 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:27:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, I'm almost 30 and I don't have kids yet either because I have bills to pay and things to do. But I'm not going to blame it on some president.
George Bush did not cause the recession.
ARCHA1C ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to pick one point, I think there is already too much momentum for things like renewables. Solar is financially viable now (as cost-effective, if not more so than fossil fuels) and the private sector stands to gain financially form accelerated adoption.
There is now an economic benefit to clean energy, even without government subsidies.
And that isn't the only such issue.
Sure, socially this administration will pose some setbacks, but I think we have enough momentum to ride it out until 2018, when we can get some more progressive officials elected to regain a majority somewhere.
archetech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Provided foreign relations, trade and peace are not so compromised that the economy is in ruins by 2020.
ARCHA1C ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do realize that those things are in jeopardy.
CpnStumpy ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 18:21:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, you think there will be a proper election in 2018. Wake up. You going to tell me Putin won 97% of the vote in his last election? Right. This train doesn't end until there's someone's blood. We're in a stare down right now, but eventually one side will crack. Don't know which, but there will be a first strike either by citizens or the feds. My money's on the feds.
the_undine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:05:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll basically be the same thing that happened with Hitler. People won't resist in a significant way until it's too late.
StuporMundi18 ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 18:29:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha you are delusional
icyone ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:33:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals don't believe in voting in midterms, which is how this country got this fucked up to begin with. The only way Republicans lose their seats is when they're asleep at the wheel and liberals sneak out to see what daylight is like. Some democracy, when half of it would rather not participate.
OMGSPACERUSSIA ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:37:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hold out hope that the unmitigated disaster of the Trump presidency is the shock therapy the left needed to get off its ass. If 2018 rolls around and we still lose out, that's the point where I'll start losing hope.
icyone ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:46:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 million liberals who voted for Obama decided that Clinton was so unpalatable that they'd rather throw away their votes for Obama and 8 years than hold their nose. Think about that. 10 million people who thought the gulf between Obama and McCain and Obama and Romney was worth coming out for. But the gulf between Clinton and Trump? Nah. Pretty much the same thing!
You're not going to find perfect candidates for what few seats are available in 2018, and liberals only turn out for perfect candidates. They don't vote in local or state elections either. Sometimes, if you're reeeeeeeally lucky you can get them to show up for a presidential election. 40% of Americans didn't vote in 2016. 28% of those who did voted for Trump. A full two-thirds of Americans are anywhere from neutral to pleased as punch with this turn of events.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:31:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:37:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Patriot Act didn't get liberals out to vote. The War in Iraq didn't get liberals out to vote. It literally took 6 years before they got fed up enough to show up.
kevinekiev ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:05:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And even then, it took Dean's grass roots organizing for them to start flipping seats. A unified 50-state initiative and Obama's data analytics gave the Democratic party supermajorities. The liberal drive to fuck ourselves over due to apathy gave the GOP complete control of 26 state governments and all three branches of the Federal government. I fucking give up.
icyone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. My personal values may mirror the Democrats' platform (environment, civil rights, basic science) but there's only so many times I'm going to vote for the idea of shared sacrifice at zero personal gain while so many liberals won't vote. I'd rather just take my Great Republican Tax Cut and wash my hands of the whole thing.
Leprechorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I give up too, as this is clearly the correct way to approach the problem
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:10:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because, like now, liberal voters don't support their own platform. They don't call their legislators to make their opinions known. They don't support them at the polls when they make difficult choices in their favor. How many Democrats were forced to hide their support for the ACA because their own communities didn't support them? Fuck, I'd hate to be a Democrat in Congress. People throw a stink fit if you don't do what they want, but if you do what they want they don't reward you for it later. If you don't do 100% of what 100% of the liberals want, they don't vote for you. In the meantime, all it takes to get a conservative to vote for you is an R next to your name.
2006 - 2000 = 6 years. You know, when liberals were also upset that Bush was given the White House by the Supreme Court. Lots of things that liberals get upset about. Very few of those things result in change at the ballot box. Maybe instead of being condescending and smug about it, you could spend that energy convincing your fellow liberals to vote?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See my other post, where I said I've given up on the liberal voting block as a viable force for change.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like years of evidence that liberals have consistently given over control of state legislatures, state governors, and Congressional seats, with no one to blame but themselves for failing to put forth a unicorn in each election.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood this attitude. Your options are "stay here" or "go backwards" and your response is "fuck it, anywhere is better than here, let's go backwards. We'll wait for things to get better." And things never get better, so two years later, lather rinse repeat. This is why Democrats get shellacked. You not only can't cultivate the unicorn you're looking for because liberals don't get involved in local politics, but you refuse to fight for any ground you've gained in the meantime. Why can't you accept the centrist and look to upgrade for the next go around? You just gave up all progress you made in both Obama terms to prove a point to yourself. You cut off your nose to spite your face. Here's a tip: orchards don't grow overnight. If you keep cutting down saplings because they won't produce fruit, you'll never get an orchard.
And in the meantime, instead of accepting that hey, maybe there is a turnout problem with liberals, and hey, maybe that's why we keep losing state seats, and hey, maybe that's why all of our districts are gerrymandered to fuck and back, you decided that people you don't like shouldn't vote for your causes. That's certain to up the ol' turnout in your favor.
fluffykerfuffle1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:29:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hillary won the popular vote
icyone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And still brought in fewer votes than Obama, and by the way, we don't elect Presidents on popular vote. You might further be surprised to learn that this idea of an Electoral College was not new, and wasn't a secret. No one changed the rules halfway through the election.
DynamicDK ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:05:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are referring to 2012, then that is true...but barely. Hillary in 2016 received 65,845,063 votes and Obama in 2012 received 65,915,795. It was a ~0.1% difference.
rocketeer8015 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:47:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And all she got was a shitty t-shirt.
fluffykerfuffle1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol but seriously, she got our respect.
thor_moleculez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really infer that the folks who didn't vote are neutral. As well, Trump has a historically low popularity rating, so that's a pretty good reason to believe they are neither neutral nor "pleased as punch."
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't vote, they're neutral. Voting is the one and only one valid approval rating of a politician. If you don't care enough vote, you don't have an opinion worth a damn.
thor_moleculez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what you mean by "valid." As well, many folks who voted for Trump seem to be regretting that choice; are their opinions not "valid" now, whatever that means? Are you sure you don't want to back off this strange view of what it means to have a "valid" opinion of a politician?
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their approval of Trump doesn't matter (to him or anyone else) because he's still President. If Trump's approval rating dropped to 0, it changes nothing. Congress has had an approval rating below 20% for years, and it has made no difference. The only approval rating that means a damn to anyone or anything is the vote you metaphorically drop in the ballot box.
thor_moleculez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a strange position to take, considering the President is ostensibly supposed to do what the people want him to do. If Trump's approval rating really did drop to zero, shouldn't he change what he's doing? You have a very bizarre view of how presidents should respond to the will of the people.
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're being naive if you think Trump behaves how a President should behave. His entire campaign was run on the idea of "I don't need your approval." When confronted with a view other than his own, he attacks the view as small and illegitimate. This is the guy who says he doesn't have to release his tax returns because the majority of Americans don't care.
You honestly think this guy is going to change his mind because of an approval rating? He spent his campaign attacking poll numbers as biased. If you think you're going to fight Trump by taking a phone call from Gallup and hurting his feelings, you're playing the wrong game.
thor_moleculez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know Trump doesn't behave how a president ought to behave, that's one of his many, many flaws. You're the one saying this is fine and he shouldn't act any different, no matter how unpopular what he's doing is. I'm pointing out this is a strange view to take of how a president of a democratic society ought to act; sounds more like an autocrat than a president to me.
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say it was fine. I said he wasn't going to change his act based on approval polls, so who gives a fuck what approval polls say? It doesn't change anything - only voting does.
lateral_jambi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is simply not true. The Dems still went for Clinton but the moderates/undecideds flipped. On top of that, the overwhelming problem is that so many people don't turn out to vote. So what you get is these 52-48 type of elections where how that middle 10% swings decides the whole thing.
Then you get people that are in the middle and were swung to Obama but, after 30 years of hearing bullshit from the right, were NeverClintonTM.
That is the real reason Trump won, the DNC honestly thought that Sanders was more of a gamble than Hillary, not considering the shear number of people that outright refuse to vote for her.
archetech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we start a "vote or else" campaign? Like instead of normal get out to vote efforts, maybe threaten their lives or property if they don't vote?
WeaponexT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much of our place and legacy in the world will be shattered by then
MFoy ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:22:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2006 was one of the biggest wave elections in history, in favor of the Democrats. Trump is already far more unpopular than W was at this point. Please stop with the self-fulfilling prophecies made of non-existent facts.
Rollingstart45 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:22:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was 10 years ago. Since then, the GOP has gerrymandered the fuck out of Congressional districts to make it harder to lose the House. They've passed voter suppression laws in almost half the states in the union, and potentially more depending on this "fraud investigation" Trump is running. And in the Senate, only 8 GOP senators are up for re-election, most of them in deep red states.
Republicans know they can't win if more people show up (like 2006), so they've spent the last decade changing the rules of the game. Turnout in 2018 will only go so far.
icyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet liberal voters sat idly by in 2002, following the Patriot Act, and again in 2004 following the war in Iraq. Shit has to get pretty bad for a long time before liberals show up to vote. Trump isn't up for election in 2018, legislators are. The same body where the majority spent the last 6 years playing obstructionist and still managed to hold their majority for two more.
Republicans will be defending 8 Senate seats in 2018. The Democrats have 23 on the line and 2 independent seats in their caucus. It isn't a self-fulfilling prophecy, it's just a regular ol' prophecy. Liberals don't vote in midterms. You want to "save the democracy"? Start by participating in it.
MFoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:46:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2002 was a direct result of the War on Terror. Democrats did turn out in 1998 and 2006.
It's usually the party that holds the presidency that gets hammered at the midterms. The two most notable exceptions are in the aftermath of 9/11, and the aftermath of the Clinton impeachment (1998).
Penguin236 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone doesn't remember 2006. It's not that Democrats don't vote during midterms, it's just that the President's party tends to do worse.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3HBsAnXAAIxR8o.jpg
tomdarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And state elections, many of which are held on dates other than national elections so that only the organized/"energized" voters are likely to turn out, which has traditionally been Republicans. You know how the House of Representatives is so badly gerrymandered? All that happens in state legislatures. Pay attention to your state's politics and vote in your state elections, not just for governor but also for your state rep/senator/whatever your state has.
Buck_McBride ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2018 is going to be worse. Democrats can't take back the Senate no matter what, with 25 seats to defend.
yomassa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's administration is going to do everything they can to undermine our democracy and delegitimize our electoral process.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3HBsAnXAAIxR8o.jpg
borkborkborko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:38:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Republicans control everything.
As long as the Republican party exists and is getting votes, the US will be a shithole. The US needs a left wing party and the political dialogue should be between that left wing party and the Democrats on the center right.
I doubt this will happen, therefore the US is lost and will continue failing while more sensible countries will rise.
The World War the US psychopathic right wing extremist leaders and their deluded population will cause will hopefully not end in their favour and see the rise of China, Russia and Europe. (Hopefully with Europe dominating, but I guess it will be China.)
TroubadourCeol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that I'm looking for ways to join my bf in Luxembourg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dumbererhandle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:55:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did fix it! This is the process of draining the swamp and all you establishment apologists are understandably upset. And you're right. At this pace, the democrats will never hold office again. Good riddance!
crankywithakeyboard ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:57:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would do it if I were you. Many of us can't really leave.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not?
Pedophilecabinet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:15:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com/search?q=money&rlz=1C1MSIM_enUS617US617&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVgtSdteDRAhVCsVQKHZseCfoQ_AUICCgB&biw=1360&bih=666
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought the poor were supposed to vote Republican?
yggdrasiliv ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:40:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They generally do. That has no bearing on any given individual though, you should know this.
graptemys ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they're married to the president?
crankywithakeyboard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we keep hearing how hard it is to immigrate legally to countries in Europe.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of nazi countries would make it hard to immigrate?
InB4TheRecession ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:02:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ludeS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the other 47% don't pay.
syn-ack-fin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, we got to fix that.
CpnStumpy ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:19:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a born and raised American, I fear for the safety of myself and my family...
ezekrialase ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:55:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was born in America and lately I wish I could go to the EU. I think that America and its people are still by and large worth fighting for though. The whole country hasn't gone to shit, just segments that were already pretty shitty to begin with.
udbettarecognize ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:58:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a Latino school full of tons of undocumented students. I fear people will start to see them as more criminal than human.
TrappedInThePantry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:04:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do it. I would try to leave here if my wife weren't going through American medical school. Even if Hillary had won, almost half the nation voted for Trump. This country is a shithole and deserves everything that's coming to it. I just feel really sad for the slight majority of innocents who will be caught up in it all.
Pedophilecabinet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can financially do that feasibly then you should consider it. If I could with no repressions I'd move to Canada (to quickly be annexed by the new American and Russian Axis) or Europe.
vegastar7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm past the "considering" stage personally. I haven't been in Europe in a long time, and given the fragmented nature of my family, it's going to take a bit of time to plan the move. If it weren't for these issues, I would be there already.
Lives-to-be-loved ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do it. get out now before it gets worse.
veronique7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My fiance is a European immigrant. I just want to get married now and go back to Europe with him
The_Bravinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm British, but lived in the US from the age of 18 - 30. Earlier this year my American husband and I decided to go live in Germany for a few years. Then Brexit happened, and then Trump happened, and now I feel a bit trapped. I don't feel like I can go back to either of my homes because both are in rather crazy states of flux right now.
diederich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm extremely concerned with what's been going on. At the same time, I'm a student of history.
Emotions are running high, and I have no doubt that a Trump presidency will end up hurting quite a few people.
Here's my question to you: how do you feel unsafe, wherever you live in the US? Specifically, in what ways do you feel less safe now than six months ago. In what ways do you think you'll feel less safe in a year?
All of us, myself included, need to breathe deeply. We need to calm down and clear our heads so we can, at a minimum, figure out how to rectify this situation as efficiently as possible, or at least mitigate the damage.
What, specifically, are you afraid of?
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 18:45:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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diederich ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:06:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of these things make me sad, but it's important that they be pointed out.
I fully acknowledge those risks, and it is utterly bullshit that we are on the cusp of taking tangible steps back.
One of our friends just had a procedure, facilitated by the ACA, that saved his life. There's a good chance that procedure would not be possible for him in a year.
Thank you.
to_j ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:15:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just brought tears to my eyes. This feels unreal.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's time we fight. It's time we resist.
kevinekiev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of those things that you list were things we already had, but fuck caring amiright?
pofish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:42:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll go ahead and throw in my 2 cents as well. Like the commenter below, I am also a woman, living in Texas. Not only am I totally afraid of having my reproductive rights taken away, I am also concerned by what will follow it.
If you've been to Texas, you know it's rife with mosquitoes, known to carry Zika. Which is highly detrimental to pregnancies. Considering the cut to government funding to conduct scientific studies, and the reports that scientists at the National Institutes of Health and other agencies of the Department of Health and Human Services have been instructed to not send โany correspondence to public officialsโ, we would not be adequately prepared for an outbreak. Throw in a bunch of unwillingly pregnant people, who have been stripped of their health care, and it's a recipe for disaster.
Just one of those things on its own is bad enough. Not having the option to choose, especially to terminate a pregnancy that carries a substantial risk, is reprehensible. Leaving people to die because they can't afford to change health care plans, or won't be covered because of pre-existing factors, is bullshit. Throttling the scientific community, and instituting hiring freezes, because they might go against the GOP narrative is un-American.
On a more personal note, I've been with my muslim Mexican-Pakistani significant other for over 4 years. His parents are legal immigrants. It makes me SOOO fucking uncomfortable that Secretary of State nominee Rex Tillerson, who had said at his confirmation hearing that while he ruled out a โblanket banโ on Muslim immigration, he would need more information before deciding whether to support a domestic registry of Muslims. A DOMESTIC REGISTRY. Something Trump supported during the campaign as well. That's my partner they want to put on a list, and have touted around like a second rate citizen and future terrorist. The kids we plan on having some day. His family. On BOTH sides, because Trump isn't just against muslim browns. It's also the other ones who are "stealing all the jobs" too. The ones he wants to build a wall to protect us from. It's vitriolic and hateful and I am scared for our future.
diederich ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this shit has the potential to get really painful, thank you for laying some of it out so plainly.
I've honestly been so bent out of shape by this stuff over the past few weeks that it's been hard to think clearly about anything.
The HELL of it is that we're likely now in a position to find out how low the rank and file Republicans are willing to go; we know that they think Trump is going too far, but are they willing to actually act on it?
We're now subject to the hopefully good graces of the Republican leadership.
CroGamer002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Here back in Europe we are hardly doing any better.
judgej2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they won't be painting big red Xs on your front door soon. Sure they won't.
ruttin_mudders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take me with you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, if I could, I would. I looked into how to move to other countries the other night and realized I was too poor and unwanted to do so, I'd never be allowed to any of them so I'm kind of fucked.
WhyLisaWhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an American who's family has been here since 1910, I'm seriously considering transferring to our Toronto office and getting the hell out. Gonna wait and see what happens over the next two to four years though.
boot2skull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just need to have a kid here to get rid of that filthy immigrant smell. Just by virtue of being born here, he'll/she'll be crime free. You won't even need to do any parenting apparently.
Please don't take offense to this. You're still an immigrant and I don't want any trouble.
darwin2500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can, I would definitely start saving up enough money to move quickly, get any paperwork and visas in order, and come up with a plan of where to go and who to stay with while you get settled.
I don't think there's reason to pull the trigger yet, but if you have a plan in place then you'll be able to sleep easier.
darwin2500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can, I would definitely start saving up enough money to move quickly, get any paperwork and visas in order, and come up with a plan of where to go and who to stay with while you get settled.
I don't think there's reason to pull the trigger yet, but if you have a plan in place then you'll be able to sleep easier.
jimbo831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a natural born US citizen, please take me with you.
hamelemental2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a lifelong American citizen, I'm strongly considering moving to the EU as a well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's how you feel you should go back
Maverick721 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stay here us, we're gonna need all the help we can get
Dr_Richard_Kimble1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are safe in general, but I can assure you that major events will be happening in the US very soon. As far as the EU is concerned if Le Pen wins in France the EU itself might not exist in the future. Extremely turbulent times are ahead for the West and the world in general.
Personally I have never even read about ANYTHING like this in the US's 240 year history. The closest thing resembling anything like this was the civil war, but this is MUCH MUCH different. And I say this as as student of history, I never thought something like this would happen in the US.
spinmasterx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, if you are white, you will be alright.
VotesSlitThroats ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're white, you're fine.
to_j ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Canadian (daughter and granddaughter of immigrants) and this makes me more fearful about being mistaken for an American when I travel.
allmyaccountsgetband ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:09:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
see ya
docmartens ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:26:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, you're white. This is for immigrant immigrants.
Dont-quote-me ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all seriousness, if you are from Europe, more than likely, you are not the colo(u)r of immigrant we are talking about here.
realchriscasey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What color is your skin?
Throwdabud2000 ยท -82 points ยท Posted at 17:17:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leave then lol
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:21:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, it's early in the US, shouldn't you be paying attention to your teacher? Or are you on lunch break?
pipsdontsqueak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Public schools are overcrowded, so probably on lunch. I remember we used to have a section that had lunch at 10:30. Though, it is almost 12:30 on the East Coast.
mattbrvc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost 1:00 on the east cost my friend
Pedophilecabinet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's on lunch break.
Lionel-Richie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:59:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd rather you leave, actually.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:14:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how about we all stay and just try to get along?
Also, let's try to get the president to stop lying literally every day.
Lionel-Richie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'd much rather we get along, but I don't see much handshaking from a "IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN LEAVE YOU COMMIE" type.
NeilOld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True -- they aren't shaking hands, they have shaking hands.
slowclapcitizenkane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there something we can slip him that will make his throat sore and his voice hoarse?
And his fingers numb?
chengg ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it actually says "aliens". So essentially all non-citizens, whether here legally or illegally. (but does not include immigrants who are now US Citizens I believe, which is the distinction between immigrant and alien)
millermh6 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:19:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh thank god. Maybe now we'll have a president who's tough on those damn extraterrestrials from planets like Mars and Omicron Persei 8.
chengg ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:22:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Mars sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending butt probers. They're sending cow mutilators. And some, I assume, are good people.
pbjamm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth First! Make Mars our bitch!
kurushiminotenshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're going to build a wall, a YUUGE wall, so the Martians can't come in anymore!
jjxanadu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Bad "Umbras"
makemeking706 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ixnay on OP8. They were big backers to his campaign.
millermh6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That explains why Lurrr was appointed as Secretary of State
dashthestanpeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn I'd love to see Trump try to be tough with Lrrr and Ndnd.
millermh6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many humans do you think he'd let Lrrr eat?
dashthestanpeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'd say eat all the liberals, Ndnd would probably raise a ruckus if he ate more than 3.
millermh6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free Waterfall Jr., Free Waterfall, and Free Waterfall Sr.
Penuwana ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't try to talk sense into people who don't give a damn.
To the people in here, you have some sort of right to forgo our immigration system.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like when he spoke about Mexicans, he never once said illegals, he said all Mexicans, it was after the speech that his spinsters claimed it was only illegals, sadly they managed to convince enough people
civic19s ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:47:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his supporters didn't give a fuck either way
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they just give a fuck about lying and tricking others, they certainly don't care about who he demonizes
MosDaf ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump was very clearly talking about illegal aliens.
If you look at what he said, in the context of the speech, there's no doubt whatsoever that he's talking about illegals. To deny this is just bullshit.
And speaking of which: 'illegal' is also left out of the title of this post and the title of the linked article,
despite the fact that even the body of the text notes that he's talking about illegals.[No it doesn't--but he is and everyone knows it; to pretend otherwise is just bullshit.]Now...he's also wrong about illegals. First-generation illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, not more (probably out of fear of being caught and deported.) So that's something too.
There are more things to criticize about Trump than one can effectively criticize. So why make things up? You're spinning things as blatantly as Trump's "spinsters."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:28:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called context. He was talking about illegal immigration right before, so anyone with a brain could figure out he meant illegals.
out_o_focus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We heard and feared the undertones during the election and the supporters would say it wasn't racism or white nationalism, just concerns about our borders and enforcing laws on the books against illegal immigrants.
These people are so full of shit.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To everyone shouting down Nazi comparisons and shedding crocodile tears "This is a diservice to my family members who died at the hands of Hitler": Shut the fuck up and eat a dick.
eggpie ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 17:16:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony here is that actual holocaust survivors are standing up against this. Y'know, because they've fucking seen it before.
sleaze_bag_alert ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:18:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
big shock they don't want to get holocausted again
Zombie_Party_Boy ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:48:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's that saying they have? Oh, right--"Never Again".
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:30:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:37:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals were exterminated along with Communists and other groups
Penuwana ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:02:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess Stalin and Lenin never did the opposite. In a greater scale none the less.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make little sense
Penuwana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize those that both Stalin and Lenin killed those we would align with the political right in America, no?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that relevant to the discussion?
cromwest ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 17:16:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Holocaust victims have been comparing this tyrant to Hitler for months.
Lionel-Richie ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 18:00:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Germans, who are hesitant to make Hitler comparisons, have been kinda dipping their toe in the water about this because they are constantly asked by outsiders "HOW COULD SOMETHING LIKE HITLER HAPPEN" and all this is making them go "Well...see it started kinda like this..."
cregister ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even Anne Frank's living relatives have compared Trump to Hitler.
attaca89 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler even compared Trump to Hitler. Share this with five other people and Trump will be unpresidented.
Pedophilecabinet ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:17:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like a year.
Saintbaba ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mike Godwin himself has said that Godwin's Law isn't meant to dissuade legitimate discussion or criticism about someone with Authoritarian leanings like, oh, say, Donald Trump.
Freeside1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump invited the comparison when he tweeted "Are we living in Nazi Germany?" after the dossier was published. So they have no legs to stand on.
sepia_undertones ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:22:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other people have addressed your first point, but I'd like to address your second and say I believe we're all currently in the process of eating said dick.
ibzl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tell em, norm
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was so satisfying to watch, fuck that girl and her bullshit.
ibzl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i especially enjoy her "my world is falling apart" look at the end. if you're into finkelstein owning assholes, check out his debate with dershowitz. it's long, but "fiery" is an understatement. finkelstein opens the debate with an accusation of plagiarism.
archetech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you even arguing against? Obviously you are pro dick eating, but your statement doesn't make it clear if you are for or against Nazi comparisons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I'm pro dick eating, but how do you not comprehend the gist of my sentence?
archetech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouting down something means to silence it. So you are telling people who are silencing Nazi comparisons to eat a dick, but I don't think that's what you intend to say. It's also a little unusual that you are quoting yourself. I mean, you are already the one talking.
red-light ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trump supporters are so classy! reported.
soheikitsune ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:37:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misunderstood what the person you replied to was saying. He's talking about people trying to bury Nazi comparisons by saying that this is nothing like the Nazis. He is telling those people that are falsely crying to stop, because is allowing trump to get away from those comparisons.
Normally I'd let you go on misunderstanding, but, and I'm assuming here, since you called him a trump supporter, and sarcastically called them classy, you misunderstood the person's message.
If I'm mistaken and you're protecting those people that are ignoring Nazi comparisons, or I'm misunderstanding the prior poster's sentiment, then feel free to ignore me.
fluffykerfuffle1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
personally? i just don't like his language... its obscene
sublime1123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is like saying I have a black friend so Im not a racist
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck , he has to say all of them to have any amount of substantial data. If u did undocumented he'd had very very little numbers because if an undocumented immigrant broke a law he gets deported right away no court appeal
gavdaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think the list also includes the immigrants who gave the natives smallpox and also kidnapped, enslaved, murdered them and stole their land? Or was that not all able to fit on the list?
KhabaLox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not "immigrant" but "alien." Aliens are non-citizens who may be here legally (e.g. the "green" card is actually the Resident Alien card) or illegally.
My wife is an immigrant. She came from The Philippines when she was 6. She got citizenship, so she wouldn't be subject to this. Here's the relevant text from the order.
The other part of this that is extremely worrying is that it allows the Homeland Secretary to name jurisdictions who are acting as Sanctuary Jurisdictions by not deporting aliens. These cities, counties, or states can now be denied federal grants based on this.
mbkeith614 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order refers to language in current immigration law, so it only refers to illegal immigrants.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't. It's for those aliens that were marked for deportation.
2legit2fart ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 19:01:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How will we solve the
Jewishimmigrant problem?This could be where we're headed.
Mithorium ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:53:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And no half ass solutions, a permanent solution, a final solution, if you will
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:12:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We really need to concentrate on the solution"
2legit2fart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bigly.
fluffybit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we should get ready to fire the ovens and kick in their doors.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he's already been blithely using a nazi slogan for months with precisely zero repercussions: "america first"
these guys never seem to stop and consider what happened to actual fascists when the clock struck midnight - I won't subject you to proof-of-death pics of Mussolini, but they are pretty fucking gruesome
every population has limits, and americans are not famous for their restraint once they get pushed that last bit too far
Abujaffer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had someone tell me that Trump's stance is nothing like the Nazi party because Muslim immigrants refuse to "assimilate" to western culture, and that is completely different than what the Jewish population of Europe did. As if the Jewish people somehow maintaining their language, identity, and sense of community for almost a millennia is completely different than Muslim refugees who aren't even allowed a single generation to integrate into Western society. If the Jewish people had "assimilated" their language and customs would have died out long ago, it has only existed in the West because they held onto their beliefs and traditions despite outside pressure and discrimination.
And to clarify, I'm not saying the Jewish population of Europe did anything wrong at all by maintaining their culture. But if the "alt-right" is going to cover up their racism with "we just want the Mozlems to assimilate into our culture!!!" then they need to understand that said claim is exactly how the Nazi party viewed the Jewish people's presence on their land.
2legit2fart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is there's never a "solution" to immigration, or people entering the country without documentation. Humans have been immigrating since we left the trees. There hasn't been one civilization that didn't have immigration.
It's not possible to "solve" immigration; it's just managed.
Sadly the orange one and P90x have elections erections and unable to think straight due to the lack of blood. Although, in fairness to Eddie Munster, Don-o-reeno is just not very smart.
GeneralTonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or even
How do we solve the illegals problem?
And illegals can slide to mean illegal immigrants, illegal voters (they're investigating that one now), illegal flag burners, illegal pipeline protesters, etc. Illegals have caused all the problems that plague our precious inner cities and our beautiful children.
2legit2fart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is, basically, fascism.
Fyre_Black ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:19:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, he will bring people together.
As long as they are good, honest white men. Nothing causes people to unite more than a common enemy to hate. You can see that in countries that have Trump-like presidents, like Hungary, where the government always has a group they are actively attacking.
radicalelation ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sanctuary cities that have vowed to fight need to counter with positive news about immigrants, push through the media, and even focus on working in heavily immigrant populated areas to build the communities together.
Best way to fight this.
Fyre_Black ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 19:41:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, mentioning sanctuary cities make me think about that DS9 episode where they went back in time to 2024. Let's hope we won't need the Bell riots to get people's sympathy.
BrainDeadNeoCon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:08:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, you took me way back to nostalgialand with this reference.
Fyre_Black ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:25:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that episode pretty well since it was one of the few good ones before Sisko got a beard. The other one is Duet, which is my favourite of the whole series.
BrainDeadNeoCon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:31:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duet was the very first episode of DS9 I saw, and it hooked me.
Fyre_Black ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it difficult to comprehend how it coulb be in the same season as some complete piece of crap, like the monstrosity of Move along home.
BrainDeadNeoCon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Move along home is probably the biggest "Dafuq?!" episode in the whole series for me.
Fyre_Black ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:50:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every Star Trek series had one like that. For TOS, it was Spock's brain. For TNG, it was that overly racist episode in season 1, or the monstrosity of Sub-rosa, which had me scratching my head for a day. And of course, let's not forget VOY with Threshhold, which is just a shitfest through and through.
BrainDeadNeoCon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what bugged me the most about Threshold, is how they just completely abandoned the technology after actually achieving warp 10. It's like their thought process went, "Well, our first successful warp 10 flight turned our helmsman and captain into aliens, and then they fucked......fuck that noise." LOL WUT?!
Shamalamadindong ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:52:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedDS9
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given that San Fransisco is a prominent sanctuary city with a massive separation between the poor and the wealthy in terms of the ability to have a place to live and a huge homeless population... Well, let's just hope there are no time traveling space-station commanders coming around any time soon.
reddog323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:04 on February 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was in grad school, getting an urban planning degree when that was originally aired. I was doing a class on poverty policy at the time, and it blew me away that science fiction could be so pertinent to not only current issues, but ones I was studying. That two-parter is still my favorite episode of that series.
wankerbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just heard Portland mayor Tom Wheeler's response to Trumps EO re: federal funding for sanctuary cities yesterday and it was quite poignant, well done.
radicalelation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
Tom Wheeler was Obama's lobbyist FCC head that turned out to be awesome. Ted Wheeler is the Portland mayor.
wankerbot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, thank you.
worldspawn00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
philly is on it: http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/20170126_Commentary__Show_the_GOP_what_a_thriving__diverse_city_is__Philadelphia.html
dadankness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for people to be lining up at the door of ICE to work to get rid of the illegals before dems can demand they be made into citizens for breaking the law the moment they entered the country. Just to get a vote that will probably not come.
radicalelation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem easy to do, what with a federal hiring freeze and all.
dadankness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because it is every sector.
archetech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are either with him or his enemy. I choose the latter.
mycroft2000 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:23:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In reality, I suspect that Breitbart fans are predisposed to crime.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jackbootlickers usually are
tinnyminny ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democrats commit more crime on average than Republicans.
Sub116610 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:12:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In reality, the FBI listed black, white, Asian, etc. crime rates. Racist fucks!!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why would Donald need to publish a list of crimes commited by immigrants?
Sub116610 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He shouldn't, but he should direct the FBI to do so.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Sub116610 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because data is data and any social scientist should have access to it, let alone the people of the nation. I'm not talking about listing names, just figures, like they've done for legal citizens here.
Are you saying we shouldn't track who is committing more crime? Just not make it available to the public? Should we not break down types of crime? Or the types committing them? Sex? Age? I mean the FBI breaks down crime incidents to very specific details, should we censor that because it could be looked poorly upon?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he said he is going to get rid of the illegal immigrants.
So I guess this means he doesn't expect to
apollocrush ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:19:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is his grandfather was a draft dodger who left Germany to avoid joining the military. He made his money owning brothels during the gold rush and when he tried to reestablish himself in Germany, he was denied.
tomdarch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of my ancestors fled the Austro-Hungarian Empire because they didn't want to become cannon fodder for the empire in what would turn out to be WWI. I have an ancestor who got on a train with little baggage in Vienna heading north. A very nice fellow young man sat next to him and confided that he was on his way to Hamburg or Bremen to get on a boat to the United States to escape military service. My ancestor kept his mouth shut and stuck to his story about an apprenticeship in a town in Germany. The young man moved down the car and sat an talked with another young man. At the next stop, the talkative guy got off the car, waived over the police and they hauled the third guy off the train.
Lots of Irish-Americans have family stories about an ancestor who fled to the US because they had committed a minor crime and were facing absurd punishments. (Perhaps ironically, in the 18th and early 19th centuries, poor English faced similar crazy shit like the death penalty for poaching, under the Black Law, and some fled to the US.)
Of course, once the Irish arrived in the US, they faced pretty extreme bigotry that was very, very much like anti-Hispanic bigotry today. They were called dirty, lazy, disease-carrying, inherently stupid, inherently violent and prone to alcoholism and crime.
In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a few Italian immigrants were political radicals and a few did carry out terrorist and similar attacks. Italians in America were viewed somewhat like Arab/Muslim immigrants. There were radical anti-Catholic hate groups (in addition to the KKK) who claimed that all Catholics were disloyal to America and would be part of a revolution ordered by the pope to take over the country, again, very much like the bigotry against Muslims today.
Not as much as Australia, but many "white" Americans aren't just descended from immigrants, we're descended from criminals and "undesirables". How quickly
Trying to claim that immigrants are a special problem is fucking nuts.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree.
Circumin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also suffered serious anti-immigrant discrimination in new york.
Waldo_where_am_I ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:06:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky for them ghettos are already a thing in the US so what comes next won't take as long to accomplish.
But seriously as much as people throw the word fascist and authoritarian around I honestly don't think they truly believe it. Even in the face of mounting evidence. Because I'm certain if they did heads would roll not peaceful parades and calls to vote after the fascist has had enough time to ruin any chance of voting making any difference. I'm frustrated because my skin is brown and Im about to be a target because even though I am an American, fascists don't give a shit as long as I fit the profile. I will not go quietly.
HabeusCuppus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:44:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Over 200 individuals were arrested on January 20th and charged with felony rioting. Most of them were participants in an anti-fascist action black bloc March.
The media isn't reporting it but there are people in the streets who are putting their safety and their freedom on the line like they believe that this is actual fascism.
RetroCorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well considering he just threatened to "send in the feds" to Chicago yesterday...
Irishish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:00:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife, a first generation American (second? Her parents are immigrants), asked me the other day what it would take for me to contemplate leaving this country for the sake of our future children. I was outraged. This is my country. My ancestors suffered to get here, my entire family is here. Doesn't she have any loyalty or ties to the nation her parents fled a dictator in order to move to?
Now, on the daily, I understand her point more. This shit is terrifying. I'm just more insulated from it because I'm a third-generation white guy.
McJiggins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:19:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually disgusting. Rather than accept that he lost the popular vote to Hillary by nearly 3 million votes, and that the country is more divided than ever before, he's insisted that voter fraud cost him the popular vote and has spewed consistently divisive vitriol via his Twitter account. When GWB was handed the presidency by the Supreme Court he did his best to unify America and even appointed moderates to his cabinet. Trump is deluded enough to believe he won in a landslide and therefore holds no responsibility to reassure the 65 million people who voted for Hillary that he will be a president for everyone.
sirbissel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, unifying everyone against him is still unifying everyone.
Arnozilla ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:43:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next stop : The Purge...
EmergencyChocolate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
close!
feariswasted ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I was thinking this too. The lists serve to foster the narrative of immigrants as criminals. The administration isn't coming out and saying that "all immigrants are criminals and that we should fear them," but instead creates a negative perception that will result in people making widespread generalizations about all immigrants, whether subconsciously or not. It's "inception" at the shallowest level and it makes it harder to change someone's mind on a topic when they believe they arrived at the idea on their own.
We are witnessing the seeds of racism being sewn for future generations.
Edit: grammar
Edit 2: On another level this works to confirm existing prejudices, which serves to rile up the base. There's no solution to better understanding. Masses stay uneducated and angry as the wall gets higher and we grow old and die.
Orangebeardo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no, people.
Those damn foreigners don't count /s
anotherblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Note, that in this context, people means only those who worship Trump. Others are not worthy of that designation...
/s
Calygulove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler defined Jews, Communist as non-citizens before he did any of that. He called them immigrants to Germany first. Jews were immigrant job thieves that brought crime, and Communists were terrorists. Then he started publishing lists of crime. Then he wrapped in afro-Europeans, Socialists, LGBTQ, Romanians, and the Polish. Then anyone not German.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet Jesus they have a section called 'black crime?" I've never been to Breitbart, so this is news.
I guess it makes for better reading than 'white crime,' boring stuff like banks ruining people's lives, pollution, corruption......
ojii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rounding people up in concentration camps is technically bringing those people closer together, so he might still fulfill this promise.
Tunis1jp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony in it all is...he actually might. Aside from his strident supporters; I could envision people coming together to stop his destructiveness. The catastrophic nature of his decision making doesn't even touch the political world. The consequences reasons behind his actions aren't ideologically driven, they're ignorant. Not understanding the value of your own intelligence departments, the impact of being a world leader ranting on Twitter...etc. These are not partisan issues, they should be things that everyone agrees on.
All that being said, having a single identifiable thing to focus your ire on is a great way to unify people. Having a common enemy does bring people together.
myne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this all that different to the long running "America's most wanted?"
riskable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he thinks it's fair: The media is regularly publishing the crimes committed by Trump.
CCG14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he going to publish a list of the crimes committed by citizens too?
Roook36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to put the words "rich" and "white" in front of the word "people". They don't think anyone is actually a person unless they're those.
Zachtpres ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump wants to bring white people together to fight the perils of diversty, and he insists its because he loves "all" americans.
thats-rickdiculous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that we need to repeat over and over: undocumented immigrants, as far as we can tell, commit crimes at a lower rate than native born Americans.
bone_salt_and_blood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Drain The Swamp' and 'Make America Great Again' have certainly been made relevant.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:47:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His definition of "people" doesn't include non-whites.
ShadowcasterXXX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it illegal aliens, not immigrants?
Penuwana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants sure are "the people".
ImpartialFan2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:20:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No smoking policies were also used by the Nazis. Nazis also were the first to impliment a labour day. Should we get stop using those things as well?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screw Hitler and these stupid correlations. A large portion of this country believes there is a problem with immigration and this concept isn't really new considering many newspapers still publish a police blotter. Without emotion or saying that it's unneeded, explain to me why this is a bad thing?
mbkeith614 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wants to bring together Americans, not bring together foreign nationals.
[deleted] ยท -82 points ยท Posted at 16:40:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants... Please, don't muddy the waters by saying "immigrants" when it's obvious his supporters and himself are talking about illegal immigrants. The distinction is an important one.
UrukHaiGuyz ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:49:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to Trump. Not to his supporters:
They are out and out racists. Voters don't look a particular way.
DontBeSoHarsh ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:50:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He knows. I have him tagged as a brownshirt; he's consistently advocating for fascism.
He's human scum trying to walk among us.
CarlTheRedditor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the aliens.
https://g.redditmedia.com/VbZrj2iZWduSZD5dvYjY_TZNWYSIVv1cdD3qx3NjZug.gif?fm=mp4&mp4-fragmented=false&s=662efb482f2b4be31db5ea128bd69f2b
lvl12 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 17:17:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how "devil's advocate" or "let's explore another point of view" do I have to be to be labelled a brownshirt around here anyway?
StingAuer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:35:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defending fascism makes you a fascist and you will burn in hell for furthering its goals.
lvl12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how communism doesn't get the same treatment on here despite being responsible for more deaths.
SuperSulf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe communism is less relevant since Trump is closer to fascism than communism?
nyy210z ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a tolerant liberal you must be!
StingAuer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:19:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't tolerate nazis.
nyy210z ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you follow history? I don't think you have a grasp on what Nazis are.
Shifter25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100%, without ever showing that you sincerely believe any other way.
lvl12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just find people get so fundamentalist about anything that could be considered fascist talk that they shut down any reasonable discussion. Case in point: all the people downvoting me for simply asking how tolerant to the discussion the other commenter was.
biergarten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am a Trump supporter. You couldn't be more wrong. We have open arms for anyone that wants to become an American. For those who want to skip the process and live here illegally, we do not support. They broke the law, face it.
CarlTheRedditor ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:05:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome to stop lying any time now.
sleaze_bag_alert ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:21:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he wouldn't know a lie if it fucked him up the ass
Angylizy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:57:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said he is publishing the crimes of all immigrants not just illegal immigrants.
aggie1391 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:42:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm sure they'll be so judicious and not mix up brown people who can speak Spanish! Give me a fucking break. Citizens and documented immigrants will get swept up just the same.
beermile ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:55:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And someone else told me it was obvious to his supporters that Trump's wall was metaphorical. I will not be surprised at all if this list includes legal immigrants. Specifically brown ones.
Why am I arguing this point anyway? Whether they're illegal or not it's pure propaganda. I know Trump doesn't like stats that don't favor him, but compared to American citizens illegal immigrants commit less crime (in addition to their being in the country illegally, yes. Had to throw that in because every time I mention this that's the first response). The only reason to specifically publish immigrant crime is to make it seem otherwise and further build their favorite scapegoat.
akunis ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? It's not only illegal immigrants that will be on the list. It's
felesroo ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:00:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already got /u/akunis. RIP buddy.
yerawizardharry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that case it's also an important distinction that many illegal immigrants are here to flee violent crime (some of which is a result of our drug war activities)
sleaze_bag_alert ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let us know when he makes any effort to tell the difference...afterall, this is the guy spouting second-hand stories of what some supposed German dude said where he saw people that looked like they weren't legal voters....explain to me how a legal immigrant looks different from an illegal one when standing in a line?
paraguas23 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:06:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order doesn't specify undocumented immigrants. It says all aliens.
Dionysus_the_Greek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are in denial, my friend...
cromwest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't obvious at all and I don't think there is a distinction on your side.
StuporMundi18 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 18:27:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well blacks do tend to commit crime at a much higher rate than any other ethnicity. 13 percent of the population yet commit over half of murders. That's a problem there
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:18:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White supremacists love to use this as evidence that black people are more prone to commit crime.
They fail to consider that America is an incredibly racist country, and after slavery ended (which was only 150 years ago) America continued to be segregated for another 100 years, and even since then, America continued to be racist.
Black people do not have the same opportunities in life. They are policed more violently than white communities. When you are poor, ahve no options, and you are already treated as a criminal, it is more likely that you will turn to crime.
White on white crime is also higher in impoverished white areas.
In other words, black people are more likely to commit crimes BECAUSE people are racist against them. Racism is not a result of black people committing crimes.
StuporMundi18 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So then why aren't Asians, Hispanics, middle easterns, etc also commiting crime at such disproportionate rates. Hispanics just as poor as blacks and a larger percent of the population yet commit less crime, Asians worked basically as slaves building the railroad which is harder than picking cotton yet they also don't commit crime at the same rate. All of these ethnicities also suffered under Jim Crowe laws yet don't commit the same amount of crime or blame racism for all their problems. Racism isn't why their fatherless rate is so high but that's probably a better reason why their crime rate is so high but nah just go with racism because it's easier to blame others especially from hundreds of years ago for your misdeeds. Also love how pointing out that yes they do commit more crime than any other ethnicity is white supremacy now. I thought the left was all for facts.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To clearly and simply answer your question, the reason black people are disproportionately affected is because racism is disproportionately directed toward them. That's a fact of American history.
Huge numbers of black people were brought over during the slave era. Numbers much, much greater than the number of Asians, Hispanics, Middle Easterns, etc. They were also located in populated areas, while most Asian immigrants were on the west coast (Which even as far back as the early 20th century was basically the wild west).
Blacks received more direct and violent action because racist white families surrounded them, and laws were written specifically to target them. While many of these laws were applied to asians and hispanics, black people were the primary target, specifically because of slavery-white people simply see them as being inferior, and did not want them integrated into society. In the early 1900s police would frequently take part in the murder of black people, and while that is still an issue today, it used to be blatant, instead of ruled as "part of the job". Lynching was primarily directed toward black people, not those other groups, who were often ignored.
This kind of shit was routine... Can you imagine what your life would be if a dominant group of people marched around treating you like shit? http://imgur.com/a/Uycf0
You act like slavery was "hundreds of years ago". Remember, the civil war started in 1865. That means its possible that people alive today had grandparents that were slaves. Furthermore, segregation didn't end until 1964. My parents were alive during segregation.
Only one group of people is was so hated in America as black people, and that is the Native Americans. The only reason we don't hear about it as much is because most of the damageโraping, murdering, theft of propertyโhas already been done to them, and there just aren't that many of them left. We learn about it in history, but when you read about it in textbooks you don't see the true horror, and no child in an American school is challenged to feel shame for what their ancestors have done.
dtdt2020 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrant has no become an ethnic group. It's so difficult keeping up with the leftist double speak.
MarcusLuty ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also heard that Trump breathes air, Hitler also breathed air - coincidence ?
Also Trump has head, two legs and two arms - Hitler also had those, incredible.
Please be back after Trump actually will do something like this
rnflhastheworstmods ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you likening Jews to illegal immigrants?
That's incredibly racist. Shame on you.
wow getting downvoted for pointing out racism. I hope you guys feel good about yourselves drawing comparissons between Jews and illegal immigrants. Absolutely disgusting.
You all can't decide what you hate more, a republican pointing out racism, or Trump.
berlinbrown ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:23:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't we print FBI reports of top criminals. Also, most counties in the US publish arrests or post details on top cases.
How is this different?
millermh6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's clearly politically motivated, meant to foment distrust and hatred of immigrants. Trump wants to create an "other" group which he can use to rally his base, justify the accumulation and abuse of power, and identify as a scapegoat for problems effecting our country. For example, immigrants have been pegged as stealing jobs from Americans, smuggling drugs, committing rape and murder, and generally just doing awful things (some of them, I assume, are good people).
A spinoff of that jingoism is pointing the blame for perceived economic woe at foreign countries and "bad trade deals" and painting Islamic countries as dangerous hellholes.
conanthecnidarian ยท 2946 points ยท Posted at 16:24:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he going to start with his wife's illegal employment while here on a tourist visa? Or his own sexual assaults?
MoshPotato ยท 1956 points ยท Posted at 17:07:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish this got more attention.
Melania worked in America without the proper Visa.
She is an illegal immigrant and that makes Barron an anchor baby.
Trump is literally everything Trump hates.
trying-to-be-civil ยท 543 points ยท Posted at 17:09:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump doesn't give a shit about any of that. But the useful idiots who show up to verbally blow him sure do and he'll say or do anything to make sure they keep cheering for him.
MoshPotato ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 17:27:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People can't be that dumb. Can they?
RabidTurtl ยท 492 points ยท Posted at 17:45:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You were alive on Nov 8th, you know the answer.
MoshPotato ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 18:42:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It still seems like a bad movie.
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 18:55:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ralexh11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:01:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump isn't smart enough to be a Bond villian IMO.
whatsinthesocks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:06:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, we elected an Austin Powers villain. No way is Trump intelligent enough to be a villian
Cooking_Drama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
McBain has the right idea.
Ghosticus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To their credit, Bond villains are much smarter than Trump.
JamesTrendall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump will never be a Bond villain, nor a conventional villain. Us Brits take our evilness to a whole new level. See below.
Source 1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgDNmJExVc
Source 2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7gR7EYjcP8
tehlemmings ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:42:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, most of the Bond villains were smart, devious, and charismatic.
We elected the puppet a Bond villain would have instated, not the villain themselves.
pantsmeplz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:44:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're still watching trailers. The main feature hasn't even begun.
FrostyD7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We all secretly wanted to sneak a peek at the script but hoped it wouldn't get out of post-production.
OneNutPhil ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:16:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair... The Clinton show would've been a high budget horror film
Shifter25 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:59:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am 100% human, fellow
meatsackbuddy!Mr_Engineering ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm rather certain that my one day old nephew, who was literally born yesterday, knows that Trump supporters are fucking imbeciles.
n-some ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was born this Nov 9th, what's going on? Isn't this normal?
thimblyjoe ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 20:36:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they can. I finally saw a Trump supporter say exactly which era he thinks was America being great that he'd like to go back to and he chose the late 20s to early 30s. I assume he didn't realize when he chose it that that was the Great Depression, but I could be wrong about that. Anyway, when further pressed, they said it wasn't because of the economic depression but because of the "industrial boom, record low unemployment, and end of government handouts." There's a lot of dumb out there.
vagimuncher ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 22:31:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
industrial boom, record low unemployment... during the great depression, how the fuck did that compute?!
Snuffy1717 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:41:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the music was WAYYY better in the 40s... Who picks the 30s over Big Band & Swing??
OK6502 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK, the 20's and 30's were the roots of Jazz and Rock and Blues. Also maybe he just really likes the charleston
Snuffy1717 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just never in chew form shudder
volares ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being through a great depression probably helps a lot with inspiration for Blues and jazz. Glad I've been practicing those blues scales!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah hate cumpyooters
OK6502 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but a lot of the "handouts" modern conservatives rail against started in that era.
MoshPotato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:22:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking rediculous.
New-Atlantis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's very funny.
michaellambgelo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:45:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If by "very funny" you mean "distressing at the deepest levels," then yes, it's very funny.
New-Atlantis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the degree of ignorance of history is funny, and distressing at the same time.
realmarcusjones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:02:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also it was the START of government "handouts". That guy sure knows his history...
Dasati08 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:07:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's referring to the 1820s
StoopidSpaceman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing he meant the period right before the great depression? They were called the "roaring 20s" after all. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit though.
thimblyjoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judge for yourself
StoopidSpaceman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I personally can see the appeal of the 20s which seems to be what this poster is referring to, but I think it's easy to idealize/glamorize times in history, especially if you did not live through those times to get the full picture. When I think the 20s, I think Great Gatsby and would love to experience this part of history first hand, but it's easy to take modern times for granted. To take one of his quotes:
Again it's easy to imagine America as being unified in the past, especially compared to the vitriolic partisanship today, but that would be turning a blind eye to the not only socially acceptable but in fact institutionalized racism. For example, I was appalled by the woman who referred to Michelle Obama as an "ape in heels," yet in the 1930s that would have been a very mild quote. I was recently reading quotes of Harry Anslinger from around this time, and while I knew the history behind marijuana prohibition was dark and sickening, I wasn't quite aware of just how downright evil the people behind it were until reading some of the things he said to justify it. For example, some of his quotes:
The fact that not only did these statements not cause public outrage, but in fact were seen as perfectly legitimate arguments should indicate just how dark a period of our history this was. Nowadays there may still be people who share these sentiments, but the vast majority of the public would be outraged by them, as they should be.
The problem with the phrase "Make America Great Again" is that it paints a very idealistic view of our past and whitewashes the many examples throughout our history that were far from great. In fact, I would argue modern America is the closest to being great that it ever has been, because we are the closest we have ever been (though there is still a long way to go) to truly realizing the promises of equality for all people made by our founding fathers over two centuries ago. The declaration of independence described a beautiful idea of society, but until the abolition of slavery nearly a century layer its words held about the same weight and truth as the phrase "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." Even then it took an additional century before we could even pretend like we actually practiced the ideals described in the declaration of independence.
Trump wants people to believe things have never been worse because otherwise there is no reason, purpose or need for him. He represents opposition to the establishment which isn't going to win any elections if the establishment is working just fine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, ya know, he's welcome to try. In fact, creating a time machine would be a major accomplishment, and would avoid the rest of us being dragged into the past along with him.
fjodsk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Early 20s were alright. Off the cusp of I and money was rolling into the US. The 50s were alright too, despite some wars. Economically, the 80s were fine also.
90s were great for tech.
thimblyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saying the early 20s were alright is like saying the beginning of Requiem for a Dream was alright. Sure, they were having fun and everything was fine, but the resulting crash and depression were an inevitable result.
SomeOzDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They usually say it was the war. The one where the government increased taxes, redirected (almost nationalised) production, and went into a lot off debt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFS6mHS0ZM
icansmellcolors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
replace dumb with ignorance and i'd agree.
lots of smart people were raised by right-wing. politics is traditionally a hand-me down mentality. it really has nothing to do with your problem solving skills. it has to do with social pressure.
much like religion.
jerkstorefranchisee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think the economy was booming during the depression, you're dumb
VintageSin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:34:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the industrial boom and record low unemployment before the great war. Also the rise of government handouts as a thing.
This guys history is about as good as my knowledge of Pakistani Culture.
rexanimate7 ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 17:55:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nearly 60 million people voted for a narcissistic reality television show host with a bad combover and an ego the size of Texas, and you're going to ask if people can be that dumb? Really?
swoledabeast ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:50:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well honestly, the TV star, combover and big ego aren't deal breakers if you are still able to be logical and make good decisions or trust others who are experts to make those decisions for you. Unfortunately...
Revoran ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:19:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He got 62,980,160.
Compared to Hillary's 65,845,063 (and she was an uncharismatic, unpopular candidate at that - someone like Obama no doubt would have gotten more).
Undemocratic as fuck.
myredditlogintoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alaska. Careful that he doesn't split Alaska in two and make Texas the third largest state.
MoshPotato ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:39:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe people are better than that.
DavidlikesPeace ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:20:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe the Holocaust never happened.
Since I was young, I wanted to believe in the best in people. But let's open our eyes: we've all seen or read about the worst.
People are people. They have capacity for idiocy & greatness
CalicoJackSG ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:57:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And evil. Don't boil it down to just idiocy. We have the capacity for evil.
Turtley13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anything is possible in America. Except good.
theraf8100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets be honest with ourselves here. As far as combovers his is pretty solid. You show me some better combovers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying "this shit sandwich isn't as bad as the shit sandwich I ate the other week"
Skrattybones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're eating shit sandwiches on the regular, you're probably somewhat qualified to compare them on a scale, eh?
beginagainandagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all the more reason to have more independents running.
icansmellcolors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:55:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this election wasn't about who you wanted as president. it was about who you didn't want as president.
this was who do you hate more.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icansmellcolors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 million more apparently did.
but the right apparently had enough of a monopoly on the electoral college.
Mkkoll ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 21:46:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Narcissistic: Alot of presidents were narcissists, and it can be looked at as a positive trait. link Imho, if your self-image is of a 'pretty-ok-dude' and you want to be president, I dunno, i think you are already unqualified.
Reality TV show host: Irrelevant. Reagan was a movie star.
Bad combover: Because hair-style = presidential competency.
Ego: Yeah, i want a meek little pushover bitch to be sitting down at the table with Vladimir Putin and Jinping.
Anybody voting one way or another because of these character traits and not on policy is the idiot.
Chakra5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say narcissism and egotism are quite different animals.
An egotist thinks they can sit down with Putin and win the game, and can still recognize that they are not the lone stakeholder and work to do the best they can for the country and it's people.
A narcissist doesn't give a shit if it's good for the country and it's people as long as they are center of all calculation and payoff.
LegendofDragoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Identity politics is what we've been reduced to, and it's unfortunate. It's been happening slowly, probably since George Washington himself, and nothing and no one has had a mind to try and change it, because it becomes useful to the losing side in our two party system.
Skrattybones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reagan was the governor of California for almost a decade between being an actor and being the President. It's deliberately misleading to frame that point that way.
Mkkoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My problem is that people cite his 'being on TV' as some sort of detraction on his character. Its always brought up when referring to him in a negative light. As if its also a negative attribute in itself. It is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
Most presidents have been lawyers, but it isn't a requirement to become president afaik. There are specialists around Trump to define the finer points of American law for him. Trumps job as president is purely, in my opinion, to be a figure head for the direction of the country and implement the policies the majority of the public wants right now. Unfortunately for the left, the most popular policies right now are right-leaning. And its causing some butthurt.
Policies he has outlined. And policies people voted for him so he could carry them out.
ChickenChic ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:11:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
RoboOverlord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:41:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got that reference.
raygundan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A person might be smart.
indigo121 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate the quote, but voting booths are filled with persons not people.
L0wRyd3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K
Militant_Homofascist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate the GOP base.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen a lot of conservative comments on here. Yes they can.
couldbutwont ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh buddy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MoshPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't look at his speeches.
Celebrity292 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These people don't give a shit. Their team won so fuck the rest of the country. They don't get it. It's not a fucking game it's life.
zphobic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Trump was elected.
designatedDD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You been over to the_donald lately?
MoshPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm banned.
I really hope they are mostly trolls.
designatedDD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats! And they are definitely serious
washmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. -George Carlin
sweetrolljim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never underestimate how stupid the human race is.
archetech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not. I'm starting to think there is a point at which we should stop referring to them as people.
Veganza_Extravaganza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently you have never been to Florida ;)
arssome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is the President so actually they are dumber.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not dumb, you can't be dumb in the 21st century. They're just wilfully ignorant because it's easier. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. Throw in a heavy dose of spite and this is the result
bongggblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Melania isn't brown, and she let him grab her pussy most likely on the first date so it's cool.
theycallmeryan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can Trump be this political mastermind playing his supporters but also be the dumbest president we've ever had (according to this subreddit)?
trying-to-be-civil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:06:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a political mastermind. He's an angry, narcissistic circus showman who political masterminds are using as a puppet.
hire_a_wookie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/politics talking about useful idiots is the definition of irony.
trying-to-be-civil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hire_a_wookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump won and is getting things done. You're hearing yourself.
trying-to-be-civil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I hear a giant orange baby and his big baby supporters.
hire_a_wookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump won and is getting things done, as opposed to shilling like Obama. Think about that :)
trying-to-be-civil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hire_a_wookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really clever. I'm impressed.
[deleted] ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 19:07:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JennJayBee ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 20:00:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's got nothing to do with nationality. She's associated with him and therefore doesn't count. This is literally how people think. "People on government assistance are all lazy!" You point out that they're on government assistance? "Well, that's not the same thing!"
Militant_Homofascist ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 21:33:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel for you, a critical thinker in Alabama.
shreezbot ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:24:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, there are literally tens of us!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:56:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make that eleven!
Edit: I mean at least 21! I never claimed we were good at math!
JennJayBee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Occasionally we can get about 50 or so of us together in a room-- usually in Birmingham or Mobile or Huntsville.
drvondoctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for the love of god, dont gather in one place! you're already an endangered species.
turbog3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm skeptical. I'm only counting 4 of you - but then math is sicence and science is WRONG and now I'm depressed again :/
JennJayBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are actual legislators in Alabama with a (D) next to their name, but we don't count them because they're basically just all subservient clones that Joe Reed has grown in his basement. 30% of Alabama voters tend to vote Democrat, but most of those are technically "left-leaning conservatives." The word "liberal" will get you kicked out of line at Jack's in the morning, and dammit... We need our gravy biscuits, too!
michaellambgelo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A girl on facebook asked if anyone she knew voted for Hillary Clinton and ever received government aid (I'm not sure why she was interested in that, but oh, well). One of her siblings commented and noted that their entire family received Pell grants in school and that they were able to go to the local community college and get an Associate degree for free because of it.
The girl said that didn't count... somehow...
sunuoow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:53:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same people who can't comprehend that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.
jon_naz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:45:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's honestly no reason to give Trump the benefit of the doubt when it comes to racial animus. He's given us too much evidence otherwise.
JennJayBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump would happily let in few truckloads of hot Mexicans if told he could bang them all.
Cielle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anyone help me out? No!"
thenewtbaron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude from my hometown who has only worked pizza jobs and magically got injured on the only good job he had(to get worker's comp)... and has like three kids to two different women started putting up those "obama is just giving welfare away to those who don't deserve it, they should just work harder like I do" kinda posts on facebook.
I had to point out that all of his kids were on medical assistance because he chose to not better himself or to actually work hard.
basically, I went off to college and found a good job, pay my bills and taxes... and his children's food and insurance... but because some black people get it, it makes it eveil
Dellortneebevahuoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:44:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you ever deal with this...
Fade to exterior: Bill-bob and Cletus are sitting outside the bait shop and see a person of color drive by.
JennJayBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm related to that, actually. Well, some of it.
theycallmeryan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit it's like you've never met a southerner or conservative in your life. Are these people just dumb racist hicks to you?
Dellortneebevahuoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I didn't attribute it to southerners or conservatives as those sentiments aren't even remotely widespread or exclusive to either.
I grew up in the Midwest, there are enclaves of people like that very thinly scattered around the country. I've actually had the displeasure of hearing it from my own family members, UAW and farmer Democrats.
Yes, I exaggerated their speech and made the location as cliche as possible for comedic effect, but the actual meat of it I have heard at family reunions from relatives in those situations described. I guess that can happen when you have an uncle named Wogus.
Detach the silliness of the caricatured overlay and I'm sure more people could identify with having heard something similar.
frogandbanjo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nationality is a category people use to distinguish between "associated with me" and "not associated with me." It's not completely disconnected from the phenomenon you're describing.
thehouse211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep your government hands off of my Medicare!
JennJayBee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No joke, my mother complained about the process of applying for government assistance and that it wasn't as much as she'd hoped. I pointed out that she votes Republican and that what she was experiencing was a direct result of their platform. I kid you not, she fires back, "No, they're trying to get all these welfare queens who won't work off of it-- not people like me who ** NEED** it!"
I let it go because I know how she is, but I'll add... She actually is one fo the types that shouldn't be on government assistance, because while she does have an injury, it's not the type that renders you unable to work.
firstconsul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah hes racist, he called that Venezuelan model "miss housekeeping" pretty sure thats racist.
JennJayBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me he wouldn't have happily helped her get citizenship if she'd have banged him, though.
EighthOption ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ยฟPorque no los dos?
JennJayBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Ordnung. Wir haben beiden.
Solracziad ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 19:58:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cause Trump and a lot of conservatives are worried that we're going to be the majority of the population in 10 or 20 years. That's why they wanna get as many out of here as they can.
This is the last hurrah of the white majority.
Zaetsi ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 20:20:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This strikes close to home. How many times have you heard a conservative white guy say "Latinos breed way faster than us so they're going to be the dominant race soon" or "whites aren't even the majority any more!" Sends shivers down my spine.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 165 points ยท Posted at 21:32:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't white people want to be a minority? Are minorities in the US treated like shit or something?
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 21:37:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My irony meter just melt down.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This baby is off the charts!"
ObeyMyBrain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe it's your sarcasm meter that's on the fritz.
Skyoung93 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:55:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can see a few reasons why it being a minority is disadvsntageous:
a) If white people make up the majority, if we just act according what's most "efficient", we can maximize the happiness by catering to specifically white problems. Then, as a minority you wouldn't have the voting power to overrule that. (Ie why should we do anything about racism when it really only affects such a small percentage of the population? It's not a "major" issue by population, and it'll prolly not be worth the money spent on the issue /s)
b) It's easier to maintain political power than to gain (or regain) it. That's why (usually, historically) the party in power would gerrymander boundaries to help maintain their power, rather than let the election be as fair as possible and risk losing their elected job.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:02:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was being sarcastic.
Skyoung93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm sorry text doesn't translate sarcasm well.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok, I'm not mad or anything. Have a nice day :3
hervethegnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too late
ArkitekZero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by "white" problems?
x86_64Ubuntu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:35:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, like passing laws to reign in unruly minorities that kill, rape, sit at the front of the bus, demand equal treatment and so forth.
Revoran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There aren't really any specifically white problems, beyond the occasional case of anti-white racism.
There are problems that disproportionately affect white people though simply because they affect predominantly white areas.
Skyoung93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. It's just whatever the majority considers to be a problem which could not include the minority's situation and problems. Don't dwell on the term white to hard.
ArkitekZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All problems are human problems. Assigning race or ethnicity to them seems unhelpful to me in the vast majority of cases.
Skyoung93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh most certainly true, but it doesn't mean people won't fabricate differences if it helps them achieve their individual goals :/
gordo65 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's for the same reason that they don't want to go to prison, despite the fact that our prisons are like country clubs.
OK6502 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so here's the thing...
Fred_Zeppelin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:48:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally had a family friend tell my wife and I to have as many babies as possible, because we need to out-breed the Mexicans. And he meant it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch. Time to make new friends!
pbjamm ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:23:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few more generations of high speed travel and the differentiating physical characteristics associated with race will be a thing of the past. Good riddance.
This has bothered me as I started rewatching Star Trek : Next Gen. By that point in their future culture would be far more an identity basis than ethnic background. Everyone would be so mixed ethnicity would be meaningless and unlikely to be connected to cultural background.
cenosillicaphobiac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:53:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought it was interesting that so many mixed race couples existed on SNG, for exactly that reason, I mean how in the fuck is O'Brien still a pasty white Irishman and his wife is still so predominantly Asian? I envision an entirely different future, one in which we're all slightly more or less brown than we currently are.
SteinBradly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we are on the route to a Star Trek universe...only the downside is that we're going to go through a lot of shit before we even get to long term sustained space travel...
Revoran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Star Trek, there was a nuclear World War 3 around the 2060's which killed billions of people and led to a total breakdown of society in certain areas which later generations referred to as the 'post-nuclear horror'.
SteinBradly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tin hat thought: Gene Roddenberry was a time-traveler, traveling to the past to have a quiet life while masking a prophecy of WWIII in his writing.
drvondoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the bell riots, world war three and, the eugenics wars are still to come
Revoran ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people in the world do not have access to international travel. It may happen, but it will take much longer than just a few generations.
In Star Trek they can teleport you across the planet in seconds, or shuttle you there in an hour or two, and it's free.
In our world, it can take thousands of dollars to visit another country where people look different, let alone to stay long enough to find a partner to raise kids with.
napaszmek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Language and religion will still divide people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But casting actors from the future is hard :(
red_sahara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the greatest thing I look forward to even if it won't happen in my life time.
Whites are dwindling and minorities are expanding but sooner or later, we'll all have to mix and everyone will become Brazilian.
It's inevitable or what? you won't date or marry unless your own race? lol it's 2017 and even lonely white, Asian, and African men are having a difficult time, that some are going to the Phillipines, Asia, and South America to find a wife because the thought of being alone sucks.
EmergencyChocolate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:11:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, for one, welcome our ravishing new overlords
elmingus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus!
EmergencyChocolate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:57:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually I think this might be Brazilian Jesus
(maybe this)
who knows, so many of them are just ridiculously attractive people
RCC42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm a Bernie or bust kinda guy, but just to play devil's advocate and to flip the script what if, say, Mexico had a big influx of Japanese people, and the majority culture/race(whatever term works for the argument) in Mexico in 20 years was going to be Japanese and they started building tea houses and Buddhist temples. Don't you think Mexican people would be at least concerned? Countries are usually defined by their culture, so if you change the culture you change the country.
LearnToDrown ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:04:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fear is entirely baseless. It's pure animal instinct fear of the unknown.
It takes no effort to adopt other cultures as a subculture. It happens all the time in America, if your culture is so rigid that you cannot or will not accept any additions or alterations, you're going to break with the slightest amount of pressure.
And why play a ranking game with "culture" anyway? I literally couldn't give a shit if Americans started favoring soccer over football. More taco places than Hamburger places? Oh no! The horror!
Even the language argument dies out after literally one generation. The parents and grandparents don't bother and use little Jimmy as a personal translator. Hell, best case scenario is it creates economic ties and generates wealth with another country (See Mexico-US) and your native language gets some neat additional vocabulary.
Things get even less problematic if you don't demand everyone adhere to unspoken rigid social rules.
RCC42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's the basic argument. People are indeed instinct-driven animals, so when they have a cultural identity and feel that identity is threatened/changing they become worried about it as if it were a personal attack. This has to be especially pronounced in difficult economic times where people feel more generally threatened and insecure.
I don't think it's a good argument to call fear of change/unknown baseless since for hundreds of thousands of years of evolution the unknown thing or tribe over the next hill could very well wipe out you and your entire tribe and way of life. The humans that were more cautious survived and so we're left with today's human psychology. It's just the way it is, so we have to deal with it. The same way, say, cancer is an outcome of biological processes that we had no part in designing, but we have to deal with it too, and we do with medical science, really good medical science in fact, but, nobody is out there suggesting we need to be conscious of human bias and (frequent) irrationality and take measures to deal with the fact that the default human programming comes with fear of people who are different than them.
American culture has mutated incredibly over the hundreds of years, and cultures that used to be demonized (the Irish and Polish among many others) have become a core American culture (pizza, anyone?).
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me it's baseless. I have no fears of being "out bred" or my fictional daughter dating someone whose skin is darker than an Irish ghost.
I work with people of Mexican descent every day, some of them openly talk about having family members here illegally. It doesn't bother me, Mexico hasn't always been the best place, and I don't begrudge them trying to make their family's lives better. My family would do the same if we hadn't been lucky enough to make it to the US.
There's Mexican music on the radio here. I don't care for it but since I listen to audible or npr during my commute it doesn't effect me. It's easier to get breakfast tacos here than it is to get pancakes. What's the problem? I've communicated with people who don't speak English, and I can joke with my bilingual coworkers by using my limited Spanish.
What's the downside here? What is there to fear? I can watch football on the TV every weekend just like every where else. I can get a pizza delivered on a Friday. No one has instituted any "Mexican Sharia" here. My neighbors are all nice people as far as I can tell. We even have our own app to sell used furniture to each other. Hell, as someone who enjoys spicey food, it's a huge boon with hot sauce everywhere.
I did volunteered to do taxes for a few months and found out we have a sizable population of people from Myanmar here, one of whom told me they hadn't seen a car until they came here. I felt bad for them since they all worked for Tyson foods who just got in trouble for shitty working conditions. I talked to an Iraqi guy who migrated here, his wife was extremely nervous about openly telling people they were migrants. And yet I can still get local or national beer in most restaurants. People cross the border and shop up here to the point where businesses rely on it. I'm the only member of my family who hasn't dated solely white people.
What is the threat? What should I be fearing? Who is trying to take away whatever it is I consider uniquely American (which is almost nothing)?
The concept of fearing it is just ridiculous to me. It has no base and I'm capable of being self-critical of my own thoughts and changing them.
I have nothing to fear and I don't see why anyone else does, short of future Brownshirts.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, to you it's baseless but other people have different perspectives, circumstances, and wiring. Similarly to when, say, a straight person says that the concerns about discrimination coming from gay people is baseless, i.e., "Why are gay people constantly complaining? They have rights, what's the big deal? Their complaints are baseless.", because of course, the perspective and circumstances of the straight person is different from the perspective and circumstances of the gay person. It's not that the gay person's perspective is baseless, or that the straight person's perspective is baseless. They are both have the foundation of that person's unique perspective and cultural circumstances backing up their opinion.
So when I say that there are people with these fears of cultural invasion or abrupt cultural change, it's because as a statistic there is going to be plenty of people who fall back on this kind of thinking when things go bad for them because they may not have a trustworthy institution (Government, university) that they believe will tell them the truth (i.e., the 'elite liberal' disdain).
The numbers clearly show a decline in the prosperity of the middle class, especially concentrated on the working class including a large white demographic. Thus explains the alt-right as it reacts to those disaffected people, appealing to their (base biology) of fear of the other and lack of institutional/cultural moors for that demographic. So when the alt-right says "You're right, it is that other who is causing you so much grief and is the reason why you lost your house and your job and why you have no culture, someone is taking it from you!" from the perspective of those disaffected and without any trustworthy institution to tell them otherwise it is no surprise to me that people are swayed by Trump's swinging bullshit on a string.
Unfortunately Trump and the GOP (and (alt)right media) place the blame on the other, taking advantage of these conditions instead of telling people that the reason they are so deprived socio-culturally and economically is due to monopolistic concentration of corporations AND government which deprives them of individual sovereignty (which is the only thing people actually want, see: Libertarians(who I disagree with on almost every policy)) as one Walmart in a community produces a handful of terrible jobs instead of 40 mom and pop stores and shuts down competition, because, what mom and pop could possibly compete with Walmart? (those mom and pops which would not only be retail stores, but also include repair shops, tool stores, and produce other pro-community, pro-economic, and pro-competition results) while concentration of government results in Big Gov (Dem or GOP) telling you that you have to let people into bathrooms or you absolutely must abort people, or whatever the crisis of the day is, instead of allowing local community government (borough, city, state) managing its own affairs.
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really dude? You're reaching awfully hard in order to compare my open position on other cultures into the same thing as homophobia. I literally cannot hold those two concepts in my head at the same time. They're completely opposed to each other.
What is your point? Some undereducated jackass in nowheresville, nowhere is somehow justified in their asshole beliefs that entire races are criminals? That because you're a blue collar Middle American, your opinion that gay people spread disease is understandable?
Bullshit. Being poor doesn't excuse shitty basic logic. The statement all ___ are ___ is almost always going to be false when talking about social issues. It's not a coherent belief system. I didn't grow up in a culture that seeks an upper class who has all the political power, a disenfranchised and servile class of poor whites, and a subjugated and oppressed minority population. I wasn't brainwashed with any of that stupidity. There is no excuse. Seriously, but anything you want in those blanks and tell me how long it would take you to prove to yourself it isn't true. All men are rapists, all mexicans are lazy, etc. The statements are false at face value. I'm not going to excuse people for being mentally lazy because their upper class keeps them distracted with "LOOK OUT SPOOKY BROWN PEOPLE". They should know better. It has nothing to do with experiences or schooling. It's basic logic, no harder than 1+1.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it were as easy as 1+1 then we wouldn't be in this situation.
I am not excusing anybody or any opinion, I'm offering an explanation. It is well documented, for example, how cooperative and compliant the German population at large was during Hitler's rise to power as he isolated and turned segments of the population into out-groups (Jews, the physically and mentally disabled, communists, and homosexuals, etc). It's difficult to argue that the German people in 1933 were just super racist compared to other countries. Why would they be? What's different between Germans or the French or the British? The difference was a massive and devastating depression following Germany's defeat in WW1, resulting in hyper inflation and economic despair and uncertainty among the German population. Hitler exploited this (as Trump has done to a lesser degree) and amplified and inflamed people's increased anxiety and vulnerability to their more primitive, survival-based thinking which would include fear of out-groups in order to rally and exploit them.
So I don't ascribe to the idea that some people are inherently racist (such as the undereducated jackasses in nowheresville you describe) but that they are more reliant on methods of thinking that cause dislike or hatred of out-groups due to their deprived circumstances and/or lack of mental frameworks to deal with those xenophobic impulses that might arise due to their deprivation or inherited culture of racism, which itself may be due to any number of causes including centuries past Southern justification for why slavery was not morally wrong due to the economic benefit of slavery to them.
I am not saying that the person in nowheresville is justified in their asshole beliefs, just that there is a comprehensible explanation for it. Of course it is not moral or right and I would never suggest that it is.
There is significant evidence that poverty impairs mental function for both adults and children, and that children growing up impoverished may carry that impairment with them to adulthood. Fully 20% of children in the US are in households considered to be in poverty. So yes, being poor does impact basic logic, and it doesn't help that highschool doesn't teach logic or critical thinking.
Unfortunately people don't necessarily need to have coherent belief systems to function. Cognitive dissonance allows people to have conflicting facts and opinions in their heads at the same time, which is a deeply unfortunate human trait (but then human traits are what we have been talking about).
I am not clear that I understand your statement:
So I can't respond to it accurately.
I don't suggest that you excuse anybody's behaviour, but understanding the source of their behaviour can be quite useful for helping them navigate out of poor thought processes or beliefs such as what we are talking about.
It's not constructive to ignore the impact that manipulation by the upper class has on people, which is why I try to bring it up at every opportunity to help people build mental frameworks that make things more comprehensible. It's much more rational that the wealthy are purposefully depriving the middle and lower classes to divert attention from the gross excess, abuses, theft, and division the wealthy are engaged in than it is to assume that large groups of people are inherently and unrecoverably racist (such as the person in nowheresville).
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the problem, you don't need money to see how moronic "All __ are ___" statements are. You don't need a college degree. You don't need to take symbolic logic. Sure, being poor has a tendency to cascade on itself, so you make more bad financial choices than a rich person might. You value things differently. But what's the excuse for believing an entire culture has some inherent flaw?
Your explanation just comes off as really long winded rambling that "tl;dr it's rich people's faults" as if it's somehow not the fault of Nazis, they were just tricked into having shitty beliefs by the Nazi Elite".
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give people a pass for their shitty beliefs because they're poor. I don't buy it. It's not an excuse for being intellectually lazy like that. They're not the victims, they're the victimizes.
Seriously, we fought a Civil War over this, millions died around WWII because of this. I'm not going to let them shift the blame to someone else to absolve themselves of their own sins.
Where is the leap in logic? If you can understand it, explain it in less than six paragraphs. "The rich said so" doesn't really work for me.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay I'll sum it up:
Desperate people are willing to do and believe desperate things on the chance it may improve their personal situations. The worse their situation, the more desperate.
(this does not cover rich racists, those guys are assholes)
LearnToDrown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And to me that's no explanation for joining the Brownshirts or the KKK. I fundamentally reject the notion that being poor means you can't figure out why such attitudes are moronic. Don't infantalize them, they aren't children. They know what they're doing, they understand the results even if they bend over backwards to hide it and live with themselves.
In West Texas, there's a tiny town called Slocum. It's got less than 300 people in it. You wouldn't even pass through it going to any of the major cities. In 1910, a number of white men lynched a black citizen and killed several others, then returned to town. Upon returning, they immediately started spreading rumors that the black community was preparing an armed retaliation.
You know what happened next?
A few hundred white men got into a mob and began to systematically genocide the black population of the town. All the victims (and there were more than a hundred) were shot in the back. None were armed, and no whites were injured. The Sheriff was there and didn't do jack shit. They eventually arrested a dozen or so people but no one was charged with any crime. The cherry on top of the sundae is they stole the houses and possessions of the people who were killed or fled.
I'm sorry but poor doesn't do that to a person. You don't do that kind of thing because some guy with more pockets than morality said to. Those people who were there wanted to be. The people who saw the rumors were false before their very eyes and stayed weren't tricked into being there. They didn't pull the trigger because they needed college tuition. They knew what they were doing and they wanted to be there at that moment with their finger on the trigger.
I'm sorry but mothballs in your bank account will never be a good enough explanation for me.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, not to be pedantic about it, but you've repeatedly said that "All ___ are ___" statements are moronic, but it seems like you're throwing a huge amount of people under the bus as irredeemable. Where do you draw the line that makes someone a monster? What about some guy's white mom who sees a mugshot of a black guy on Fox News and mutters "I knew it." but bakes cookies for all the kids (of all races) at the school she works at. How much blame does she get? How redeemable is she? Is it her fault she got sucked into Fox's vortex of irrationality? What about the school that failed to educate her, or her parents who told her black people were criminals, or the president who reinforces those fears? Where is the line between circumstance and choice?
I just don't think it's as simple as saying people are bad people because they have bad opinions, and there's a difference between opinions and actions too.
I think all of us should be concerned about falling into situations that make the wrong choices easier (such as being under a Trump presidency), because we underestimate how powerful mob mentality and groupthink can be.
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. We live in a society with freedom of speech, including shitty speech. The duty is on the listener not to become an asshole.
Her's alone unless she hasn't hit the age of majority, although that's not really an acceptable explanation either unless we're in kindergarten/middle school range.
There is no such thing as racist by circumstance. There is only racist by choice.
Seriously, someone comes up to you and says "I'm sorry I joined the American Reich and killed your parents, I was just under the influence of a rich dude. We cool bruh?"
And your response is, "oh that's totally understandable. You're poor and thus have no personal responsibility for your thoughts or actions, you're merely a blank slate that society shapes how it wants. You're just a product of your time. All is forgiven!"
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you must hold the belief that all Germans in Nazi Germany were monsters, or at least the vast majority of them. Are you suggesting that there is something special about German people that make them more monstrous than everyone else? What about WW2 Russians? or Japanese? The Japanese and Russians did an overwhelming amount of barbaric things too.
Is there something special about Germans, Japanese, and Russians that make them evil? Why?
Which is more likely - that those three groups of people are inherently more evil than the rest of the world OR people can be influenced by their environment and do horrible things that they would not do if put in different circumstances.
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. The elections that got the Nazis into power had them at less than 50 percent of the vote. That's when they started persecuting their political rivals. After that, there was a lot of vote rigging, voter intimidation, and domestic spying program to enforce ideological purity. Then you get things like laws forcing people into nazi party programs only so they have no alternatives, etc. It's definitely not all, but I don't know the numbers to even say most. There definitely were Germans who didn't commit war crimes.
Nope, not in the slightest. Those individuals who engaged in war rape did it of their own free will. There's no mandate that you rape your way through Germany and China while conquering them.
I completely reject that dichotomy.
Maybe I can rephrase my stance and see if it helps. At no point are you forced into any action. Sure we can get into hypotheticals about guns to foreheads and such, but when it comes down to it, not raping someone is pretty easy. You just don't do it. So when say you're a revanchist taking back territory and you come upon some foreign women who are poor and alone, you just don't rape them. When you're in the middle of China and bored because your country has no idea how to get themselves out of the situation, just don't take underage girls as "comfort women". You don't get a free pass because "they burned down my farm 6 years ago" or something. You don't get a "get out of jail free card" because you were poor. You just don't do that behavior. If someone starts rabble rousing, you still don't do the behavior even if they tell you. Because why would your circumstances or the words of another person somehow chance the morality of the act?
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... why did the Russians and Japanese plunder and rape more than the Allies? Are you suggesting that British, American, etc, that their people were just better, more moral people and didn't make the individual decisions you're talking about that the Russians and Japanese did? What's the difference between an American soldier and a Japanese soldier who takes comfort women? Is the Japanese soldier just inherently more racist/immoral and more likely to do immoral things? Why are they that way? Is it their biology or their circumstances?
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't tell you, those two armies were in complete opposite situations when they did it. I'd say at the very least it was personal failures on the part of each of those soldiers. I don't know enough about their psychology to know why their abhorrence for the act was overriden by their desire for revenge.
I'm not big on making those kinds of all encompassing statements about groups of people, so no.
Do you want me to list every variable.or can you figure that on your own?
To me, thought would be a third pillar that I would chose. They weren't born rapists, they weren't made rapists. They chose to be.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that's exactly what I am trying to ask you - Why did Japanese and Russian soldiers, by overwhelming statistics, rape and pillage while their counterparts in the Allies did not? What was the difference that kept American soldiers from raping German women?
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the issue were stuck on: you have to either convince me that all there is, is nature or nurture (or both), or you have to convince me that free will of thought doesn't exist. That we're slaves to our biology or experiences and therefore have no choice or ability to pick another option.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:11 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is definitely both nature and nurture. People are complex and squishy creatures, just like at the case of the railway foreman Phineas Gage who got a railroad spike through his head(prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that could best be describes as 'impulse control') in an accident and his personality completely changed from a kind, generous, and thoughtful man to rash and impulsive, violent at times and unable to hold a job.
A human comes with a great /potential/ for many different kinds of behaviours, but we can look at humans as a group and say "We pretty consistently help our family." where indeed the vast, vast majority of us desire and try to follow through with helping our close relatives more than we would strangers. People similarly identify in-groups and out-groups, i.e., "People like me" and "People different than me" and have different biases towards those groups once they make that determination. So if for example a person holds the belief that "I'm an American, that guy is an American too. He is like me and part of my group" then they will have a positive bias towards that other person, but, if they have the belief "I am white. That guy is black. He is not like me." then even if we are talking about the exact same two people, based on how they think about each other will activate different parts of the brain reacting to whether that person is an in-group or an out-group. This is how dehumanization starts, where Hitler for example turns the German Jews into an out-group, and people start to hate them as a result of that. Not everybody, obviously, and of course it's possible to use reason to compensate for the change in circumstances. "Hitler is telling me that Jews are bad people and not of my group, but I know Michael and he is my baker, I've known him for years." but maybe you don't really know the person very well, so you need to find a different reason. "Michael is my baker, but I just met him last week. But he is clearly German. Sure he is Jewish, but he talks about Oktoberfest, and I love Oktoberfest, it is a very German thing, so Michael is a German like me."
We are unfortunately both slaves to our biology and experiences but ALSO capable (but not frequently enough it seems) of disciplining our own thoughts. The danger is that ideas can become stuck in our head, and pervert all future thought. It is much easier to continue to like Michael the baker once you've already known him and liked him for years, but much harder if you have never met him, or don't know any Jews. Also if you see everyone in your country as an American first, and you are also American, then it is easy to assume that they must be like you and part of your group, but once you forget about that and start thinking that the other person is black or white, and you are the opposite, therefor they are different than you, it is very hard to climb back out of that mental framework because whenever you see that person who you consider to be the out-group it will reinforce that thinking like running grooves in a dirt road.
Biology also kind of works this way, for example if you are healthy it is easy to stay healthy, but once you are sick (say, obese, or with heart failure) it becomes difficult or impossible to climb back out from that. Modern medicine helps, but only so much.
Anyway does that clarify where I am coming from?
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:23 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I've understood it the entire way through, I just don't see the part in which we suddenly lack intellectual free will.
For me, I just wouldn't blame some minority group for my own failures. I'm self-critical enough to the point where I can see "yeah, that was my fault and I should change" even if it isn't instantaneous. I can't imagine a scenario in which I would do anything of the things we've talked about (ignoring "covert racism/sexism, which is always a possibility). I'm too distrustful of politicians from either side so both Trump and Sanders, to me, are both incredibly disingenuous (for different reasons) even if I agree with one much more than the other. So I just have a hard time seeing how other people would fall for that, short of a lacking of some quality. The inability or refusal to be self-critical would be an example. Take Donald Trump's (rumored?) refusal to evaluate his past actions because he's afraid of what he'd see as an example of this in a person. So to me, "nurture" ends up being a personal failing, not the fault of the people around it.
And I don't know enough neuroscience to be able to say "oh, you can clearly see on the MRI that this bit of his brain indicates he's predisposed to being racist" or anything like that. So "Nature" gets too close to phrenology for my tastes if you're trying to point to people and say "oh, he's naturally servile and being in a racist environment will result in him becoming a racist". Just seems like he had every opportunity to not be racist.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:30 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to be insulting because I have enjoyed our discussion, but I encourage you to look into the psychology of behaviour. We're a lot more vulnerable to subtle circumstantial influence than we believe.
This is a Ted video that shows how easy it is to make tiny little nudges in the environment to cause regular, normal people to change their behaviour in measurable ways without their knowing. The video is about wealth inequality and its influence on behaviour but the same principles should be understood to be at work to cause people to follow fascists or commit suicide or any number of non-normal/ideal behaviour: http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean
LearnToDrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:14 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't promise to watch it within a day or so since I've got other commitments, but I'll watch it at some point.
I've read Lack of Character: Personality and Moral Behavior by John M. Doris and he kind of touches on what you're saying, but doesn't exactly get into anything too hardcore.
Part of it is that he talks about how we talk about personality traits incorrectly, for example we say someone is "brave" and this is meant to be an example of their consistent behavior, but they aren't brave all the time. Are they brave when they brush their teeth? Do they drive their car bravely on their morning commute? Etc.
He then transitions into talking about the idea that our emotions aren't consistent. We can "wake up on the wrong side of the bed" as one example. In another, he describes an experiment where a researcher either does, or does not leave some change in the coin return slot of a pay phone. A test subject (passersby) then went into the phone booth to use it, found or did not find the coins, then the researcher would walk past them as they left and drop a bunch of paperwork. They would then record whether or not people would help them. The people who found chance in the booth were more likely to help. His overall point being that when good things happen to people, they are more like to be good in return.
The closest he comes to to what we're talking about is the Miligram Experiment and the Stanford Prison Experiment. Problem is that both of those have issues when trying to relate them to something larger like the Nazism. I can't pretend to be an expert in that argument, but I'm aware that they exist.
I have long lost the source, but I also recall a study that showed one of the more effective ways to combat racist beliefs (among college age white students) was to move students from high racial homogenous schools in which they were the minority, and instead moving them into schools where they were a racial minority.
grungepig ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:43:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to start anything but isn't calling yourself a Bernie or bust kinda guy when we're in the middle of bust and it's the worst thing ever incredibly embarrassing?
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
The polls for Bernie vs Trump between July 2015 to July 2016 averaged a 10 point spread through their campaigns.
During the exact same time period for Clinton vs Trump (July 2015 to July 2016) Clinton averaged only 3 points ahead of Trump.
Polls overwhelmingly suggested Clint had at best a squeaker victory over Trump while Sanders would have flipped the country blue unlike Trump's red-flip. In an alternate reality where Sanders wins the Dem primary Democrats would own the presidency and both houses.
The fact that today Bernie is out there railing for justice and grilling Trump's swamp-creature appointees like Betsy "Public School is a waste of money" DeVos only further suggests that he was the right candidate to work for the American people, while Clinton is... on vacation? I guess? Anybody heard from her?
Poll Sources:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
grungepig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a single bit of this is the point.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you rephrase the question then? I would like to answer.
grungepig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie or bust = refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton = why Trump is the president.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America is a representative democracy. You're supposed to vote for the person that represents your interests and will benefit your life and the life of others. If you vote for someone despite knowing that they hold policies which you do not, then you're never going to get representation.
Douglas Adams wrote it best:
grungepig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet again, not the point.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uuuuhm, okay, so how about... never vote for the lesser of two evils because then all you're ever going to get is evil. It's this thing called a principle, where you make choices based on a personal or societal set of morals. One of those morals includes voting in a representative democracy for those who represent you. So when presented with a choice between Clinton (does not represent me), Trump (does not represent me), or Jill Stein (represents me more than the other two) then if you believe in the principle of a representative democracy then that principle informs you to vote for the option which represents you best. Even if Bernie Sanders is not on the ballot, but he represents you the most, I don't find anything morally objectionable to writing in Bernie as your representative of choice, even if the ballot gets thrown out.
grungepig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not the fucking point, bro. I'm asking if you're embarrassed to have asked for this bust when actually faced with what it looks like. Apparently you aren't. Let me guess: straight, white, male, under 25? Good work, budski.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not embarrassed. Nobody should be embarrassed for voting their principles. I don't have any control over who or how many people voted for Trump so you shouldn't hold me responsible for their actions. Be mad at them, not me.
bananagrabber83 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:43:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For that argument to work the USA would have to have a defining set of cultural characteristics that were worth preserving. Other than various genres of music (made by minorities and immigrants for the most part) and movies (again, a disproportionately multicultural arena) I'm struggling to think of anything.
RCC42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, maybe that's part of the source of people's fears and uncertainty? Trust in Western institutions is at an all time low, especially so in America. Similarly people may be struggling to find a cultural identity for themselves beyond consumerism and brand-identity. America doesn't have Brazil's Carnival or Japan's Tea Ceremonies or Germany's Oktoberfest, etc. American identity post WW2 seemed to be that of industry, moonshots, grand projects, and "The American Dream" of a house, partner, 2.5 kids and a boat along with local community (Church, civics, public institutions such as libraries, schools, local offices.) basically whatever the rest of the world did, the Americans did better. (cars, watches, supermarkets, etc) just look at the public concern in past decades about, for example, Japan building better electronics than America. It was a big deal from what I read, and likewise the communal smugness Americans felt after the USSR was unable to put food in supermarkets while American stores were overflowing.
That kind of cultural identity dissolves when you export manufacturing to China and haven't built a Panama Canal or gone to the moon in decades either. What is America best in these days? Lead poisoning, corruption, social unrest. Not really great.
Underneath the scum and mold of Trump's rhetoric he is promising an American identity of some kind, whereas Clinton's message was overwhelmingly "The world is new and scary so deal with it, but do it yourself because I'm not going to help you get over it." or at least that is how she may have sounded to many ears.
That's my opinion, at least.
bananagrabber83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would agree with everything you say.
thenewtbaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
almost all minorities or groups that immigrant into the USA breed fast and then in a generation or two come within the norms of the region.
dadankness ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:43:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl it is true that American white folks will lose the country they rightfully won by being a minority in their own country by 2050. Maybe Mexicans have sped up that process. I don't know for sure. But the dems think they can be the ruling white minority in a republic of cultures that hate each other. Sorry but the amount of white hate is too high. The second white folks are the minority in the USA they are being put into camps. Every race will gang up to exterminate white people from America. Even the dems who fought for the other races. There is no peace and harmony for brown and black folks of white people are alive. We can't start to give up on our country yet.
-Tommy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally never.
soAsian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:31:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please. They will just reclassified what's white. Just look at the history, how the definition of white have evolved in America.
mindless_gibberish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, "white" is a social construct. It's not a race or ethnicity.
mmouchi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:37:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All Asians are now white, that'll keep those Mexicans in the minority.
(/s but thus is basically what happened with the Italians)
bananagrabber83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the Irish before them.
jon_naz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its literally not even that latinos will be a majority, its just that there will be less white people than every other group combined.
drvondoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its because they want to maintain a cheap labor force for agriculture n' such. they know damn well that they cant stop illegal immigration, but as long as people stay illegal, they can be paid a lot less and cant go off looking for better jobs. they'll bitch and moan about how they're just trying to get rid of "illegals" but really they just want to keep an underclass of non-citizens that can be easily exploited. as long as certain people have no legal status, they cant demand things like decent pay and they cant sue for better working conditions.
MosDaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did not say "Mexicans are rapists," nor did he say anything even vaguely like that. He did say this about illegal immigrants though.
Of course, the original article at the link, the title of this post, and basically everyone here conveniently leaves out 'illegal' in order to pretend that Trump is "against immigrants."
Trump's an unhinged moron... But I'm not entirely convinced that the most vocal anti-Trumpists are a whole lot better.
cfoley45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an illuminating article about the economic motives behind the blatant racism. https://nplusonemag.com/issue-26/the-intellectual-situation/prince-trump/ It essentially says that working class Americans resent illegal immigrants for taking their jobs and the wall represents a step in increasing the demand for cheap American laborers. But also, blatant racism.
TrumpsCheapToupee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernhard Langer disputes that he has talked to Trump. He says that he talked to a friend which talked to someone from the White House. Langers daughter said that her father isnยดt a friend of Trump.
PM_ME_YOUR_SPUDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump considers all latino votes to be illegal, maybe that's where he gets the "3 million illegal votes" number.
fre3k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What he said is that "Mexico is not sending us their best, they're sending us... their rapists". But most of the media reported that he said they're rapists. Which is an easy "misinterpretation" if you're lying for propogandic effect.
He's still a regressive idiot of a president though.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she isn't a dirty Mexican so who cares? Obviously nobody has a problem with more sexy white women in America. /s
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:10:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An interviewer asked Richard Spencer how he felt about having Tila Tequila's support. He said something along the lines of, "Well, there will have to be exceptions. I'm a pretty generous guy."
He also has dated Asian women.
Basically, immigrants and foreigners are bad, except for when we decide they aren't. It's hypocritical and stupid.
richt519 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup that's what most racism looks like in today's world. Racist people have no problem associating with "the good ones" while still thinking the race as a whole is bad.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he's white. So it doesn't count. /s
JennJayBee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
gypsyaroma ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is the son of an immigrant
MoshPotato ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:32:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who came here illegally.
duhastbutthurt ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:23:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MoshPotato ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:35:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was here illegally and then married someone so she could stay. Then got pregnant.
She is not a legal US citizen according to Trump's own statements on immigration.
So yes, the kid is American but if Trump does what he says he will do (not allowing citizenship upon birth) he might have been stateless.
ronin1066 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was pretty sure she was here once illegally while modeling, but any subsequent time she spent here was legal. I could be wrong.
MoshPotato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:52:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she was deported (as Trump would have had her) she wouldn't have been let back in.
duhastbutthurt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bahhumbugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've lost your mind. I love it!
ceciltech ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:14:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Hitler part Jewish?
Socially_numb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Hitler was 1/4th jewish. Didn't stop him.
BocceBaal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even know what an anchor baby is? Melania became a citizen when she married Trump.
MoshPotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that simple.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is actually misinformation. It is not illegal to work while your visa is being processed. It is not recommended in certain circumstances but it is not illegal.
But who cares facts no longer matter to you folks both sides are so full of hyperbolic bullshit no one is speaking the truth.
MoshPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Melania herself stated that she had to fly back to get her passport stamped.
That only happens if you are on a tourist Visa.
Maybe all the "illegal" immigrants are just waiting for their Visa's to go through too.
Lucid_Crow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't get more attention because it isn't true. Trump is an American citizen and as a result his kids are entitled to citizenship regardless of their mother's citizenship status. Even so, all his children were born in wedlock, which means that their mother's citizenship status was not in question at the time of their birth. It is factual to say that four of his five kids were born to immigrant mothers, but that Barron is an anchor baby is provably false. Additionally, as far as I know, it has not been definitively proven that Melania worked illegally.
Lrrr23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Hitler wasn't Aryan.
Dave_the_lighting_gu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. She's different.
She's not brown.
wastedkarma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's called projection.
lexbuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that a recurring theme? He projects his own shortcomings on to everyone else.
Neat_On_The_Rocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shes white, which matters to Trump and those that support him.
Sardorim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her husband is an R so clearly that makes everything okay.
daner92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no. They aren't immigrants. i can tell cause they're white. Unlike the ones bernard langer's friend of a friend told Trump about.
OK6502 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is literally the only thing Trump loves.
Rosenrot1791 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but . . . she's white. And pretty.
Moratamor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but she's orange, not brown.
MattyG7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's white. Doesn't count.
DoktorSoviet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As always, Agent Orange continues his projecting.
jon_naz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump doesn't hate immigrants unless they're brown.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was* She got her green card after like a week
MoshPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, she didn't.
She worked illegally for 7 weeks.
Under Trump's rule she would be deported.
BakedChrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is literally everything Trump supporters hate. Trump is incapable of hating himself.
dmelt253 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but wasn't Hitler part Jewish?
Ranzok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Hitler was a Jew by his own definition. Hypocrisy means nothing to these people
Calygulove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was an Austrian immigrant to Germany.
Benaaasaaas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one more thing he has in common with Hitler
SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's never had to do with immigrants legal or otherwise. It has to do with brown people
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler had Jewish ancestry.
therapingotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and Adolph Hitler was a gay Jew.
added_chaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, Hitler was exactly what he hated as well
spaxejam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Trump married Melania before having Barron thus securing her citizenship before his birth, thefore I don't believe he's an achor baby.
AntKneesLittleWeiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's a citizen by marriage before Barron was born. Your theory is TRUMPED.
But, hey, it's good to see you guys picking on a ten year old. When they go low, you go high, right guys?
MoshPotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Picking on a 70 year old that thinks he doesn't have to abide by the same rules/social conventions as everyone else.
Those straws you are grasping at are running out.
awesom-o85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying Trump is a narcissistic man-child who spends way too much time on social media?
My god, Trump IS one of us!!
TrumpetSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Hitler part Jewish?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MoshPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No she didn't. She admitted it herself.
Tenoreo90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like how hitler was a jew...
weasling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he knows that..
EmperorMarcus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Hitler being part Jew
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never even been to USA I can speak better English then she does.
willsherm28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the president does it, it's not illegal - Nixon
cheesecakesurprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sources?
MoshPotato ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common knowledge?
cheesecakesurprise ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know this so was hoping to find a source.
Found one for others looking: https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d
ur_shillin_me_smalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I'd never heard this either. It seems like too good of a talking point to be so under-utilized.
theshadealex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the source
AdolfBurkeBismarck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf are you talking about? Melania can't be an illegal immigrant; she's not non-white.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's white, it's "different"
TheRedgrinGrumbholdt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's white. It doesn't count.
WaitAMinuteThereNow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, whose war on women? She worked here for 30 days with the wrong Visa. Made $20k, so much for her being a drag on society. Was that a job our previous FLOTUS could have filled? Trump is talking about people who came here with clearing any immigration and killing people, and people want to focus on four weeks of a super models career. Yep, that will get you power back.
MoshPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are thousands of Americans that could fill the job of "model".
Michelle Obama was beyond beautiful and could have filled that role easily.
But instead she became a lawyer and community activist. She raised 2 strong children.
Melania is a transaction. And Trump treats her like garbage.
Arianity ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:14:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you're missing the point, it's ok because she's not one of Those People.
i wish that were sarcasm.
MoshPotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too.
oh-propagandhi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:21:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is totally wrong. She's not brown. The whole point is to get the brown people out of this country. Duh. Eurotrash is fine. As long as it's not to many. Or the Irish.
Castro02 ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 17:13:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, we all know "immigrants" doesn't refer to white people.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:48:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, bet you $1000 that the list will only be of crimes committed by Mexican immigrants and those from nations where Islam is the main religion
Ctaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or immigrants (white or otherwise) who sympathize with non-white immigrants getting the brunt of Trump's vitriol, and have been or are vocal about it.
xereeto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you know mexicans can be white right
HysniKapo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's white-skinned Blacks too. Racism in the US has operated through such things as the "one-drop rule," not so much skin color. Unless you can lie and pass yourself off as a white person, you're not going to be treated as white in the US.
xereeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand the logic... Europeans are white, but not people with Spanish heritage for some reason.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xereeto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, as were Italians. But what I can't wrap my head around is that somehow they now accept them as "European master race" but not the Spanish. Makes no damn sense.
It also shows how fucking stupid the idea of racism is.
PopeSaintHilarius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When white people immigrate somewhere, we get to call ourselves "expats" instead of immigrants.
Castro02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, that's true...
FuchsiaGauge ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:47:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need to make a list of crimes committed by cops.
cool_slowbro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know we're just ripping on him 24/7 but let's make sure it makes sense.
crawlerz2468 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain to me why in the holiest of fucks was he not disqualified in some sort of way for doing these things? Surely the White House has legal teams.
Pedophilecabinet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:20:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we classify his tiny hands going near unconsenting womans' privates as foreign invaders?
Kusokuso69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's an exception because she's white /s
Pvt_Rosie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool, comrade, she's Russian.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you provide a police report for when Trump was ever even charged with sexual assault?
IamR0n1n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not doubting this at all, but can you give me a credible source so that I may use this?
thenewtbaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, there will be no such list... no one cares about that... like his tax returns.
what irks me right now, is that the only fraud he can come up with is on his side and specifically his own board of people.
so, maybe there were 3-5 million illegal/wrongful votes... just maybe they were all for him.
hillary only lost PA by like 30k. so maybe she did win here... only voter fraud against him is bad apparently
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many of you were mad that people questioned Obama's birth certificate, but then upvoted this guy over a rumor that Melania was an illegal immigrant? Hypocrites.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you have no principles, you just pretend that you do while you have power, and abandon them as soon as you need to trash someone.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:46:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RichieWOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That statement was not racist in the slightest.
cregister ยท 1465 points ยท Posted at 17:54:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's recap. Since taking office on Friday afternoon, Trump's has:
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
Frozen all EPA grants and forbidden the EPA from awarding any new contracts.
Placed gag orders on the EPA and USDA that forbids their employees from talking to the media about anything.
Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media about anything.
Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees.
The military and the Department of Homeland Security are exempted, of course.
Re-instituted and strengthened a global gag order on abortion information.
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy.
Nominated a woman who said she wants to eliminate public education to head the Department of Education.
Retroactively declared January 20, 2017 "National Day of Patriotic Devotion."
Nominated a man who wants to eliminate net neutrality to head the FCC.
Signed a bill that hikes FHA mortgage rates for poor people.
Signed executive actions to push through construction of the deeply unpopular Dakota Access and Keystone oil pipelines.
Ordered his press secretary to lie to the press about the size of his inaugural crowd.
Acted like a toddler at his first press conference as President, also at his speech to the CIA.
Said his first overseas trip might be to visit with Vladimir Putin.
Introduced the phrase "alternative facts" into the public discourse.
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had his press secretary double-down on the claim the following day, and now has Congress investigating his baseless claims.
Said in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News: "I've spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago, with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked them the question, 'Does it work? Does torture work?' And the answer was yes. Absolutely."
Claimed in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News that not a single one of the 3-5 million "illegal votes" he alleges were cast in the 2016 election were cast for him.
Threatened martial law in Chicago via a twitter post.
Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, which is something Hitler did.
billcosbyinspace ยท 324 points ยท Posted at 18:53:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking Christ it hasn't even been a week, it's felt much much longer
jacobi123 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 22:23:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember feeling good seeing the images from the Women's March. That feels like it happened a month ago now. The pace of this disaster I just cannot comprehend.
Nerdloaf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:07:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Introducing Trump years. It's like dog years but shittier
SchpartyOn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to be a very long four years, my friend.
panzerlover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:53:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he's impeached.
LuminousDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:19 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you want Pence in office?
panzerlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:30 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind that. Pence is evil but at least he's smart.
Crappler319 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:38 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Over Trump? Yes please.
nimbleTrumpagator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*8
ButlerianJihadist ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:05:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
8 more years
Xetanees ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:18:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
??? 4 at least, 8 at most.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, look at Trump gearing up to massacre voting rights. Why do you think he keeps harping on the "MILLIONS" of illegal voters? In fact his line about how none of the illegal votes are for himself tells me his actions will absolutely be designed to target the Dem party and Dem counties.
8 years. Maybe more!
Xetanees ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:44:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is true. If he does what he wants he really could be the "God Emperor" of America.
DoktorSoviet ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:59:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it wasn't already spectacularly clear, Trump wants to be Putin.
We are following in Russia's footsteps, a washed up and reactionary Cold War power desparately vying for relevance in a changing world.
brucetwarzen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:11:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea 2.0
Chrome_Panda_Gaucho ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:57:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me right now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:47 on February 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God Emperor of Drumpf land.
GalaxyMods ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:27:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying we shouldn't have voter ID, so that just anyone can waltz on into a voting booth?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Close.
Trump wants to investigate voter fraud - Florida's Republican government was way ahead of him and looked into their own voter registry in 2012. They turned up a whopping 85 people out of almost 9,500,000 million voters. That's 0.0009%, to really drive home how negligible voter fraud is.
So the question isn't really "should anyone be able to waltz in". The question is "will scaling back voting rights have a deeper impact on American democracy than just 85 law breakers". Personally, I don't think much of solutions that would stop more Americans voting than foreigners.
And voter ID isn't the only way republicans have tried to limit voting rights, so I don't know why you're acting like it's the only measure on the table.
Trump could very well go "We need less polling places so we can have more scrutiny", resulting in longer lines, longer waits, and less people able or willing to vote. And with that approach you can specifically target certain areas that you want to silence politically.
McCainOffensive ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:50:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Point me to some proof that millions of people voted illegally.
All that should be required to vote is a valid social security number and a completely free photo ID provided by the government on your 18th birthday. Like how most people treat their driver's permit. Except not everyone can afford a car.
That would make voting simple and easy for those qualified to vote. Like how the Founding Fathers intended. Only now we live in a time where any adult American citizen (non-felon) can vote.
Hydroshock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:51 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you just proposed is exactly what voter ID laws are. When I voted, all I had to do was sign my name.
thanksforthepics ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:14:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 8. They will use every power available to them to brainwash even more people with their alternative facts. So as a european. Fuck the US. I disliked this country in the Bush era, Obama cozied me up again and Trump needed 10 days in office to completely write you guys of forever. Every politician with even only a slight favorable view towards this shitcountry won't get my vote.
theducker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:36 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an American, I fully support this sentiment, take as much international power away from us idiots as possible please
IgnitedSpade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll see about that...
arlaarlaarla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, Trump defense force.
HaveaManhattan ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:55:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the perpetual outrage machine has been working overtime this week.
blackhawksaber ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 19:57:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck David Muir for not calling him out on his bullshit. Like, he didn't come prepared with facts about the "illegal" voting? I would trust MSM more if they actually did the job they pretend to do.
waldernoun ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:08:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Muir honestly tried. Trump told him to reference the Pew report for his claims. Muir then told him he spoke to the author of the report the previous day, and he had stated flatly that there was no voter fraud. Trump then interrupted and shouted down Muir while calling the author of the report a "groveler." It doesn't even make fucking sense. The idiot had just finished using the guy as a reference. He also apparently has no idea what the word 'groveling' even means.
lonestiz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:04:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought David Muir did a good job and basically let Trump hang himself.
If you haven't read the transcript, it's frightening. Trump is not mentally stable.
makemeking706 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:15:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably shopped around for journalists who would agree to only ask questions from the 'approved list'.
MuthaFlippin ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 20:24:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, the sheer number of competing lunacies makes it hard for me to know where to begin when someone talks to me about Trump. I just don't know where to start.
bcon24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just do my best Trump impression: cry like a baby and call them a terrorist.
listeningpolitely ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fatal3rr0r84 ยท 478 points ยท Posted at 19:12:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, this one blew my mind the most. This is something you would expect from some banana republic dictator with self-aggrandizing medals pinned to his chest. Fuck me.
[deleted] ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 19:22:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Obama did the same thing on his Inauguration day. The difference was the name of the "holiday."
OrinMacGregor ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 19:28:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. According to WaPo, "In 2009, President Obama named the day of his inauguration a 'National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation.'"
chowler ยท 280 points ยท Posted at 19:43:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama's sounds like a day of national healing and coming together.
Trump's sounds like "Fuck you worship me!"
oligodendrocytes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why that is...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chowler ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:10:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I never said any that. The TPP abandonment has its merits and Obama had several shady deals in regards firing certain scientists and his inaction with marijuana.
However "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" sounds like something Kim Jong Un is kicking himself for not creating first.
Stop projecting.
GalaxyMods ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 20:17:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're thinking about it a little too much, probably because you're predisposed to hating anything Trump does.
jdovew ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:11:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SovietJugernaut ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:10:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, tbf those both strike me as a little dystopian sounding. It's just that Obama's sounds more like Brave New World and Trump's sounds more like 1984.
domrepp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:38:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The intent is basically the same, just like freedom and subservience.
paintbucketholder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also "truth" and "alternate facts."
AlternateFactsBot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:03:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
paintbucketholder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing, AlternateFactsBot. Same thing.
pataglop ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:29:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would genuinely like to hear all the good things Trump has done this week.
It will make some nice balance with the gloomy news I am hearing, which are starting to concern me
the_real_MSU_is_us ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% of the "good" of "bad" stuff he's done depends on your personal view of what constitutes good and bad policy
Trump pulled us out of the TPP, that's something Bernie supporters absolutely hated
Nextmastermind ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:13:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie supporter here, glad to be out of the tpp
the_real_MSU_is_us ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty pro free trade which is what the TPP is supposed to be doing, but it seemed like such a mess I couldn't get on board with it. Super huge document, held secret from the public, with quick votes so there can't be any discussion and leaked info about it that it would fuck up IP laws and give corporations the power to sue governments? Anything that sketchy has to be full of cronyism and corporate bs. As it's been said "the best free trade law is no law", becasue free trade is the natural way and it takes laws to restrict it. No free trade agreement should be as complicated as the TPP is
oinklittlepiggy ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 20:35:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stopped TPP
supported a bill for immediate withdrawal from the UN
that's pretty much it.
Although both of those things are fucking awesome.
elveszett ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 20:43:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the hell is that a good thing? Unless you want World War III to happen. The fact that attacking a country may trigger economic and even military sanctions from a lot of other states, most of them unrelated to the attacker, is the only reason we don't see countries append Crimea on a daily basis.
SultanObama ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:39:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know reddit has a rage boner against the TPP and I think it had some serious flaws but without it China is going to rule the next century. And if Mexico leaves NAFTA and joins with China, we are fucked.
What a complete and utterly stupid bill. Yes, let's just give up our vote in world politics and allow Russia and China to do whatever the fuck they want. Great idea.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Farts_McGee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd check again.
SultanObama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...you can't be serious
pataglop ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:43:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The withdrawal of TPP has some merits, although I think it leaves the door open for every other countries to get better trade with Canada and Mexico.. but I agree, it is something, thanks.
I am very very confused about this one... Considering the UN is a big part of the US hegemony and soft power projection in the world, leaving it seems odd... but it does align with the isolationism of Trump's America.
HiiiPowerd ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:51:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of those things are awesome if you aren't a xenophobe
jumpingrunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between nationalism and xenophobia, is there not?
HiiiPowerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nationalism is perfectly compatible with the UN, but regardless nationalism and xenophobia go hand and hand. It's not mere nationalism that would lead you to a withdrawal from the global community. America always put's itself first, part of that is participating in the world to protect our interests and further our economy. Both withdrawing from the TPP and the UN will harm our economic and political interests.
TehOncomingStorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not when your sole purpose in life is to shout down "bigots".
jumpingrunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truth
oinklittlepiggy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:20:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Xenophobe?
Your name calling has no power here.
Im a gay black Muslim who identifies as as dragonkin on the weekends.
HiiiPowerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I browse /r/TiA too much"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:06:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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autranep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global trade lowers prices, increases capacity for consumption, does not change productive capacity and raises average standard of living. It's BASIC economics.
voksul ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States got more out of their UN role than they put in. We got to direct the world policy on a holistic level, with minimal regulations actually compelling us. Why is the UN bad?
dolphins3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both of those were terrible.
oinklittlepiggy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah.. you guys would have loved it if Bernie had done it.
TPP was awful.
And the UN?
Fuck the UN. we need our sovereignty back.
jumpingrunt ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:42:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The list above was a list of good things if you aren't a liberal and you take out the opinionated and innacurate way he framed the events.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:28:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jumpingrunt ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:34:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same Muslim registry that already existed under Obama? I agree that we should keep it going.
NONCONSENSUAL_INCEST ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:11:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NSEERS? It hasn't been used since 2011 and Obama completely shut it down last year. There is nothing to keep going. Trump would be specifically reestablishing it as it existed when introduced by DHS in 2002.
CharaNalaar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:57:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opinionated? Yes. Inaccurate? No.
jumpingrunt ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to... your opinion. I mean I think the list is great. It's a list of accomplishments and campaign promises fulfilled.
CharaNalaar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is anything on that list even remotely "good"?
anotherblue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patriotic Devotion == Blind worship of national leader. See where it goes...
87365836t5936 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Devotion. Like a dog. A dog that's licking your boot.
neuronexmachina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only one of those sounds like a North Korean holiday to honor Dear Leader.
Oafus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are two entirely different messages.
ThisIsRyGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a common thing for a sitting President to do?
DoktorSoviet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:00:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that admittedly does sound kind of Stalinesque.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:20:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think DT is a racist piece of garbage and shouldn't be anywhere near politics, but his critics need to be aware of facts and focus on important issues. It annoys the piss out of me how things like this are blown out of proportion when there are so many over issues that should be in headlines.
charonpdx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:13:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the name is a huge difference.
President Obama's sounded conciliatory and reaching out: National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation
President Trump's sounds like something coming from North Korea.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yeah for sure.
sirspidermonkey ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:39:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he does have a purple heart.
He didn't earn a purple heart...but he has a purple heart.
mindbleach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The opposite of John Kerry.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:24:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait. He's said he wants military parades. Like the Soviets used to do. Like with tanks and missile launchers and shit.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-military-parades
Gr1ml0ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that took place prior to the inauguration. The list is only capturing events and actions taken place January 20th to date.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:50:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, just adding one to the banana republic dictator column.
akesh45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:54 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh, that would be pretty awesome actually.
mindbleach ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:58:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The New York Post reported that he wanted tanks and missile launchers on parade, but the military said no.
This is a man with a solid gold everything. He is tasteless and tactless and exactly as self-absorbed as he appears.
TheOldGuy59 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps a North Korean dictator? Seriously, it's something the Kims have been doing for quite a few decades now.
It's not even remotely funny. How many communist dictators will trump emulate before the first year is out? Next we'll have him channeling Tito.
little_otis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful, comrade. Kim Jong Don might hear you.
Arknell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a work-free day? Otherwise it's no goddamn use to anyone.
sthlmsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You and I are of one mind my friend.
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So no surprise then.
yunnypuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:32 on January 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll be pleased to hear he made a press release compiling a list of "positive comments" he received from the media in the first week:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/praise-president-trumps-bold-action
CANTgetAbuttPREGNANT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every incoming president provides a name to their inauguration day. It's a tradition and has nothing to do with a banana Republic.
fatal3rr0r84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every president doesn't name theirs "Nation Day of Patriotic Devotion" though.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 19:28:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez, I didn't know Snopes considered President Obama to be a Banana Republic Dictator. Ignorant liberals virtue signalling will never stop being a source of bliss :,)
EagleOfMay ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:00:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"National Day of Patriotic Devotion" has echoes of #1 in Characteristics of Fascism.
You may see a Hhhhuuge similarity between Trump's slogan and a "National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation" but many others don't.
overfloaterx ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:15:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell.
Pretty much the only ones he hasn't hit directly on the head -- most in the last week alone -- are #8 (religion) and #10 (labor unions). And he has Pence whispering in his ear for #8 regardless of his own inclination.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:21:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complaint of the other commenter was that Trump had the self-importance to name a national day after himself. He wasn't even aware that it had been done before by His Savior.
You can stop with your FASCISM mating call at this point. Fascists don't generally consider heavily arming the populace they intend to oppress as wise policy.
Pablo_el_Tepianx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:28:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump already proposed stop and frisk to target minorities. Armed white people aren't the ones he'll oppress, they'll be his brownshirts.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of white people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." - The Constitution of the United States
Amirite?
fatal3rr0r84 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:35:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't put words in other peoples mouths. Nowhere in that article does it say "banana republic dictator", for Trump or Obama.
Your partisanship has blinded you to the problems Trump presents, and for that, I feel sorry for you.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:09:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me, blind? You wrote "banana republic dictator" yourself.
The article equates the actions taken by Trump and Obama on their first day in naming their days of inauguration (in Obama's case, "National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation").
By the Transitive Property of Equality, Obama must have been a "banana republic dictator".
Your lack of education (historical and mathematical) has blinded you to logic your statements imply, and for that, I feel sorry for you.
sirbissel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Expect of" seem to be the operative words you're either intentionally or unintentionally missing.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, shit. You mean he didn't literally mean that Trump is the dictator of a country in Central America? Fuck me, my bad.
fatal3rr0r84 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said Trump is a dictator. By your own logic, for Obama to have been one Trump first must be one, except I didn't say he is.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ignorance is bliss. Which explains why you have been feeling so much of it.
alexmikli ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 21:07:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This didn't really happen, it was a normal site changeover that archived Obama's administration's files during the transition. They weren't deleted, they were archived until could make his own version of them. Spanish language will probably be added soon. The issue comes in with what he replaces climate change and civil rights with.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 21:17:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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alexmikli ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:19:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm proud to be banned from there, and I only posted there to show support for something that I actually liked about Trump.
Verick808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I checked that place out a few hours ago. It's frightening how much they worship him. They're bragging aboit the trade massacre the United States is going to wage against Mexico. Apparently even the recent decision by Mexico's president to cancel their meeting is part of God/Trump's plan.
unfollowed17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got banned for not agreeing on the whole pipeline thing. Got banned. Unbelievable.
Tonkarz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:19:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is unbelievable about that? That sub bans anything that isn't blind mindless praise for the dear leader.
ssesq ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:45:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except his post is downvoted and the one spreading the misinformation is upvoted.
tenebris_spiritus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they are both being downvoted. Both have positive karma. The top comment has more which is to be expected, more people are reading it (the commenter should have edited his comment to make the corrections, but no one can force him to do that).
Also, downvoting vs being banned? Apples and oranges.
ssesq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The_donald isn't a forum for politics discussion. It is a pro Trump subreddit. R/politics should be neutral. Apples v Oranges....
HottyToddy9 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People get banned all the time for correcting people here. You just don't see it. There are tons of [deleted] comments of people who have been banned.
How about you get the mods to open the ban log and then you can make that claim. They should have no problem opening the ban log if everything is on the up and up right? Ask them and let me know what they say.
chiprillis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:01:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as Trump releases his tax returns
tenebris_spiritus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes people just [delete] their comments, and I never claimed that nobody ever gets banned on this sub.
cumdong ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:28:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's guilty until proven innocent, as far as I'm concerned.
kalikalirootroot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:44:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may be only half true, I'd suggest you look at this
Also, he replaced the Climate Change page to one that wants to repeal acts that prevent it.
And I don't think language translations ar enormal changeovers.
Atario ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:40:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So your theory is that a billionaire and a whole team of professionals couldn't write up three paragraphs each on a dozen different topics over the course of three months?
alexmikli ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:54:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, actually.
Atario ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:02:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could believe it in this case
wintertash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did happen, and we can continue to be pissy about it until something goes up in their place.
The fact that President Obama's pages went down is part of the routine exchanges of power.
Likewise, the archiving isn't "...until could make his own version..." [SIC]. The archiving is a normal thing that isn't temporary from my understanding. Just like President Obama's White House website, President George W Bush's is also still available in archived form.
However, the fact that those pages weren't replaced on these issues, while the incoming President Trump administration had others ready to go the day the site went live is a profound statement about what is and is not relevant to President Trump. On the LGBT front, witness that Spicer also won't say that the Trump Administration intends to keep the LGBT protection provisions for federal contractors.
masahawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Translating isn't hard and surely with the amount he tweeted he can make a few 140 character paragraphs
QuinZ33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not putting up his own climate change page unless it's to spout anti-scientific nonsense.
This seems wildly optimistic, but we'll see. How do you define "soon?" A week? It could be translated in a matter of hours, if done carefully (or minutes quickly).
paintbucketholder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were removed, and no replacement was put up. It's up to you to wait and see if replacement pages ever go up in order to pass judgment.
But saying "this didn't really happen" when, at this point, it accurately describes exactly what happened, is completely dishonest.
Tyr_Tyr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:25:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it DID happen.
He removed everything, AND DIDN'T REPLACE anything mentioning civil rights, LGBT rights, climate change, etc. Nor did he put up anything in Spanish.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 19:21:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been one week since you looked at me, threw your arms in the air and said "you're crazy" -"One Week", Barenaked Ladies
People kept calling me an alarmist. I'm pretty damn alarmed by what we've seen in a week.
merganzer ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 22:13:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk, alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' Why not?-Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, 'everyone' is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, 'It's not so bad' or 'You're seeing things' or 'You're an alarmist.'
And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have....
But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked-if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in '43 had come immediately after the 'German Firm' stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in '33. But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying 'Jewish swine,' collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in-your nation, your people-is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way."
-Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945
GirlNumber20 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:47:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is terrifying. Trump starts out by baiting China. What does that look like in four years? What will he do in order to maintain the perception that he is a strong man leader?
nasrmg ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:33:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought I'd ever live in a scary time historically. How naive I have been.
Zippityjiggles ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:52:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment just opened my eyes right here, now rethinking about having children.
nasrmg ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:04:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's not a fun feeling.
Solterlun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:44:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My fiancรฉ and I have made the choice recently not to have kids.
There are going to be plenty of refugees from the climate wars. We are preparing to adopt in a decade or so.
Theige ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
lrginger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:21 on March 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overpopulation is a huge problem, that, along with the populist far right "blacklash" and the terrifying effects of climate change make it, (imo), immoral to have kids, but morally imperative to adopt children. For me, the issue is really up in the air, because my father was terrible to me and my brothers, and I'm very similar to him, temperment-wise, so I'm afraid of being a bad father, but at the same time, I occasionally daydream about teaching kids things about my moral system and artistic taste, which (imo) are very important things to teach to children. It's imperative to teach children to be anti-racists, feminists, and, if not full on Marxists, at least an awareness of the evils of the class structures capitalism creates. I additionally think that teaching children the ability to critically examine the art and media they consume is a political project, because it teaches critical thinking skills necessary to interpret political events, and I think there's a ton of value inherent in the project of criticism.
Moxxface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been wanting to read that book for so long, this made me buy it. Thank you.
sqrlsattack ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 19:06:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is excellent. If you could source each of these statements it would be even better! I'd do it but I should be working...
Fantom909 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:43:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
specifically so /u/Flytape can go back to the hole they came from
Let's recap. Since taking office on Friday afternoon, Trump's has:
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
Frozen all EPA grants and forbidden the EPA from awarding any new contracts.
Placed gag orders on the EPA and USDA that forbids their employees from talking to the media about anything.
Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media about anything.
Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees. The military and the Department of Homeland Security are exempted, of course.
Re-instituted and strengthened a global gag order on abortion information. (So you can read the memorandum yourself)
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy.
Nominated a woman who said she wants to eliminate public education to head the Department of Education.
Retroactively declared January 20, 2017 "National Day of Patriotic Devotion."
Nominated a man who wants to eliminate net neutrality to head the FCC.
Signed a bill that hikes FHA mortgage rates for poor people.
Signed executive actions to push through construction of the deeply unpopular Dakota Access and Keystone oil pipelines.
Ordered his press secretary to lie to the press about the size of his inaugural crowd.
Acted like a toddler at his first press conference as President, also at his speech to the CIA.
Said his first overseas trip might be to visit with Vladimir Putin.
Introduced the phrase "alternative facts" into the public discourse. See earlier post.
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had his press secretary double-down on the claim the following day, and now has Congress investigating his baseless claims.
Said in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News: "I've spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago, with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked them the question, 'Does it work? Does torture work?' And the answer was yes. Absolutely."
Claimed in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News that not a single one of the 3-5 million "illegal votes" he alleges were cast in the 2016 election were cast for him. See earlier
Threatened martial law in Chicago via a twitter post.
Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, which is something Hitler did.
If anyone feels like finding the rest of it I'm game, as I was googling I noticed this list of stupid shit could definitely be longer
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website. Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website. Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
Can't source it because it's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Also it was done by outgoing Obama staff.
Thank god they froze the EPA. They were getting out of hand.
I'm not going through the whole list, there are some things Trump does that I don't agree with 100% but the majority of what he is doing is good. NAFTA is a joke, the TPP even Reddit was against until Trump did away with it. The left is acting like a bunch of cry babies because their pony didn't show after stealing the primaries from Bernie.
Trump will end up being the best president the US has had in over 100 years. Just wait until he audits the Fed and realizes that we need to mint our own money interest free. Shit is going to get real around here.
Fantom909 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:15:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually didn't source it because it's been pretty obvious. But forgive me for figuring you'd had the internet over the past week this is also easily sought out by GOING TO THE WEBSITE.
GIVE ME A SOURCE BRO, OR REEEEEEE!!!!
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website. Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
NO REALLY GUYS REEE, HE SAID REEE WHAT A GOOD ARGUMENT!!!!!! How the fuck did they make YOU mod of a sub.
I'm not sure if you've trolled so hard no one realizes it anymore if you actually think this is how money works...
Yeah, just try like the only part I didn't source out of laziness to make a point, and then fail to make that point. I guess that works too.
Lord knows how you believe a man who will not release his own tax returns is going to remove corruption, but man these mental gymnastics are great to watch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Http://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/20/politics/obama-white-house-website/index.html
Okay I was hoping you would link to hilarious dramatic websites claiming there is anything unusual about the Whitehouse website getting scrubbed.
Learn to read more about a subject before declaring yourself an expert.
And even if Trump has scrubbed it, why would that matter? That's what happens when an election takes place. Shit changes.
Fantom909 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if that's the hill you want to die on why not. The website doesn't even claim that this is unusual, and they also show that it was archived, which imo is a good thing.
The fact that you can't read is starting to paint a pretty good picture as far as why /r/conspiracy is such a shithole to begin with.
Why not discuss his policies that harm the middle class or anything else that I've posted? Because this is the only thing on that entire list that you can actually defend, and somehow you're doing it poorly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NAFTA TPP, gone. Bye.
Fantom909 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NAFTA removal would hinder trade with the people we trade with the most... I'm not sure why you'd want it's removal unless you're all for raised prices in the US.
Or you just don't understand what it's for... which really seems to be the case...
Honestly I don't know why you even bother coming out of that subreddit, without an echo chamber you're pretty much useless.
Go back to your hole, no one will miss you, unless you want to get BTFO by reality again then by all means come converse with the rest of reddit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you don't understand how it doesn't work as intended?
You seem eager to appoint yourself as the expert but you're just throwing around talking points. Do you think TPP would have also been good?
sepp_omek ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:26:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at this pace, there may not be enough room on the internet to list his accomplishments after 4 years in office.
BroscienceLife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:30:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first gilded comment was a similar list sourcing this shit. The problem is it becomes a full time job. My first take had 23 links, within 2 days it was up to 43 with new material. You literally can't keep up with his scandals as a normal person who isn't paid to do it
TehSr0c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you just said you got gold! what more do you need!
srsly tho, thanks for the sourcing!
BroscienceLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I just couldn't keep up anymore :/
tinnyminny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if the commenter was technically working when he wrote this list.
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 20:04:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the sources appear to be http://www.reeeeeeeeee.com
mazu74 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:06:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm, link doesn't work. Guess you're wrong.
aloysiuslamb ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:31:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mod going into another subreddit to troll. Man, you're really setting a good example for what I'm sure is the quality of the content you oversee.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:03:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The list he made was hilariously hyperbolic and inaccurate. The shorthand for that is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Fantom909 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:46:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a pity that this isn't on your sub, because I guess you could just delete it then. Are you going to put your fingers in your ears and scream fake news?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fake news! Isn't that a term the MSM came up with?
draztico ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:36:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
link not working
Outsider_Inside ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:57:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked your compilation list, so I did this: Since taking office on Friday afternoon, Trump has:
Whitehouse.gov Civil Rights -White House
Whitegouse.gov lgbt -White House
NASA Scientific Consensus -NASA
Whitehouse.gov Climate -White House
3.Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website:
Whitehouse.gov espanol - White House
4.Frozen all EPA grants and forbidden the EPA from awarding any new contracts:
Trump administration tells EPA to freeze all grants, contracts -Washington Post
Trump Administration Imposes Freeze On EPA Grants and Contracts -Propublica
Trump freezes state EPA grants and contracts -CNN
5.Placed gag orders on the EPA and USDA that forbids their employees from talking to the media about anything:
Trump silences government scientists with gag orders -The Verge
Trump administration orders media blackout at EPA -LA Times
USDA scrambles to ease concerns after researchers were ordered to stop publishing news releases -Washington Post
6.Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media:
Federal Agencies Told to Halt External Communications -NY Times
Trump Orders Media Blackout At Government Agencies: Bans Use Of Social Media, Bars New EPA Contracts -Zerohedge
7.Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees, exempting only the Department of Homeland Security and the military:
Trumpโs federal hiring freeze draws immediate fire from unions -Washington Post
Trump Orders Broad Hiring Freeze for Federal Government -NY Times
Trump orders hiring freeze for much of Federal government -Fox News
8.Re-instituted and strengthened a global gag-order on abortion information:
Trump reverses abortion-related U.S. policy, bans funding to international health groups -Washington Post
Trump reverses abortion policy for aid to NGOs -CNN
Trump Strikes at Abortion With a Revived Foreign-Aid Rule -The Atlantic
9.Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy:
Rick Perry, who said he wants to scrap Energy Dept., may lead it -USA Today
Trump picks Perry to lead Energy Department he once vowed to kill -Politico
Will Rick Perry Promote Science at the Department of Energy? -The Atlantic
10.Nominated a woman who said she wants to eliminate public education to head the Department of Education:
What Makes Betsy DeVos Such an Unusual Nominee for Education Secretary -The Atlantic
A Former Education Secretary's Advice For Betsy DeVos -NPR
11.Nominated a man who wants to kill net neutrality to head the FCC:
President Trump's tech policy is a mystery -Yahoo News
Trumpโs Reported Pick to Run the FCC, Ajit Pai, Wants to Kill Net Neutrality -VICE
12.Signed a bill that hikes FHA mortgage rates for poor people:
Trump administration overturns Obamaโs FHA mortgage-fee cut -Denver Post
How Donald Trump Just Raised Many Mortgage Bills -Time
Trump administration suspends mortgage premium rate cut -CNN Money
13.Signed executive orders to push through construction of the Dakota Access and Keystone oil pipelines:
Trump seeks to revive Dakota Access, Keystone XL oil pipelines -Washington Post
Trump signs executive actions to advance Keystone XL, Dakota Access pipelines -CNBC
Trump signs orders reviving pipeline projects, TransCanada says it will reapply for Keystone -Fox News
With False Claims, Trump Attacks Media on Turnout and Intelligence Rift -NY Times
Spicer earns Four Pinocchios for false claims on inauguration crowd size -Washington Post
Trump Inauguration: (Crowd) Size Matters, So Who's Lying? -Psychology Today
Trump Repeats Lie About Popular Vote in Meeting With Lawmakers -NY Times
Donald Trump lies about losing the popular vote -MSNBC
Without evidence, Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote -Washington Post
Full transcript of President Donald Trump's interview with ABC News -Telegraph
President Trump Tells ABC Newsโ David Muir He 'Absolutely' Thinks Waterboarding Works -ABC News
President Trump claims torture 'absolutely' works, doubles down on voter fraud claim in first TV interview -NY Daily
17.Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, something Adolf Hitler did during his persecution of the Jews:
President Donald Trump to publish weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants -The Independent
Trump's executive order on immigration includes a plan to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by 'aliens' -Business Insider
Trump Signs Executive Orders Aimed at Cracking Down on Illegal Immigration -NBC N
Gr1ml0ck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
BroscienceLife ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 20:47:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot mentioned going back to Iraq to steal their oil, TWICE
tomdarch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mixed in between obvious lies, being told to the Central Intelligence Agency, while being cheered on by a cheering section. WTF?
JacobCrowell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you mean the thing that we've been doing for the last 2 presidencies? How dare the new president do that!
BroscienceLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stupidity of this comment. Amazing
star_boy2005 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:39:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be its own web site. I want to return to it periodically to stare at the growing wall.
kooolk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:45:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the "Praise for President Trump's Bold Action"
ayures ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All? I thought it was just the EPA.
Lord_Blathoxi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:56:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-nasa-twitter-resist-national-parks-climate-change-rogue-a7546666.html
taeem ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:28:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friend started an instagram called todayintrump that lists a bunch of his acts per day much like this comment + the sources at the bottom. I think he started it a few days ago but it's a nice way to keep up to date and all the ridiculous shit he's pulling since there is so much of it.
CasuConsuIto ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:57:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe someone needs to do a whatthefuckhastrumpdonesofar.com and compare it to whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com
mc734j0y ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I emailed this list to myself. It's important that we keep our own lists so we know what has changed.
140Boston ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen to this. The American Revolution was started over taxes. If we don't see this as enough cause for revolt, we cannot be heirs to America
inquiett ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what a time to be alive
tragicallyohio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I didn't want to read this but here it is. This is the state of America.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, no Spanish option for WhiteHouse.gov. That's a pretty big deal given how many US Citizens speak only Spanish.
wintertash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if there'll be a renewed push for "English as the national language" legislation
makemeking706 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you continue to keep a running tally like this.
Don't forget private email server, yahoo accounts, unsecured phone, as well as Clinton-esque 'no fly zones' in Syria.
Also, to clarify they prohibited the communication of anything scientific research related by a bunch of the fed. organizations, not an outright ban on all of them from using social media. Essentially all scientific results from a handful of agencies have to be approved before being published now. Granted, this should only last a short time, until they stop receiving funding for research.
Dave_Tribbiani ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit
I_Fly_Airplanes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, but let's give him a chance! Surely he's going to "pivot" at any moment...
CleanBaldy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White House website is cleared whenever a President is replaced. The whole website. You may want to take those off the list.. it wasn't just those individual/controversial parts... the whole thing is being redone, but it's not a "Trump did it!" type of event.
Federal Hiring Freezes are also common when a President switch occurs. It happens even when Presidents aren't switching, for certain reasons. Also, not a big deal for that one. Another, "May want to take that off the list.." type of item. Not really news...
The Abortion gag order historically has been added and removed based on Dem/Rep for as long as I can find details on it. Not a Trump thing, but more of a party thing.
As for everything else, looks accurate and worthy of mentioning to me....
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing that his administration will be reviewing scientific research before it is allowed to go to peer review in the EPA
kottoner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Give him a chance, he might not be too bad."
perhapsis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot asking for a 20% tax on Mexican imports to pay for the wall.
And something something NAFTA.
charonpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there goes the price of GMC SUVs! And Ford small cars!
Nessie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:59:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...While his kids were each double-registered in different voting districts
DukeOfCupcakes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should keep this list updated as it goes on.
FlashingKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please continue to keep track of this list and post it regularly all over the place. We need to hold him accountable for every action. We need his own supporters to understand what he's doing. We need them to see this as much as possible.
ShepherdsRamblings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this.
remy_porter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But hey, give him a chance!
NLJeroen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The supreme leader will make America great again! Can we place bets on the first country he declares war with?
Roflattack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can drop the poor people comment about FHA loans.
Edit, I bought a house using FHA, I'm not poor. It's not just for poor people, it's for first time home buyers, mainly. Not always the poor. I just resent the statement.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Baghdad Sean Spicer claimed in a press briefing that the White House had not issued the EPA gag order.
mouse_rattata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should probably add that during the CIA speech he casually stated that we may have another chance at occupying Iraqi oil fields. It's only fair right? We had to spend a lot of money destabilizing that region with nothing in return. Di-sas-ter!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"both parties are just as bad/the same"
charonpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When people say "it's like choosing the lesser of two evils, it doesn't matter which one you pick" I hear "it's like picking between convicted criminals Martha Stewart and Charles Manson, it doesn't matter which one you pick!"
Lord_Blathoxi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot that he also nominated the former executive director of the anti-immigrant hate group Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), chief of staff at U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the largest federal law enforcement agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
1-281-3308004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this list. It's absolutely beautiful
GdUppp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about making US taxpayers pay for the wall. And then get "reimbursed" by Mexico.
DrCage24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would honestly like to see this list spun from the right wing fox news perspective. Got to keep up with and understand their way of thinking to keep our critical thinking sharp.
lysecret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine this list after a year or four. GL us citizens.
GreatLoadsOfFun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good
charonpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
แฃแณแฉแแช
Dinรฉ bizaadรญsh dinitsสผaสผ?
wawa Chinook lalang?
zachar3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May I post this on my Facebook wall?
adamsandleryabish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude but did you read that one Clinton email?
celsiusnarhwal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is the Fourth of July?
dooomedfred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that was the last time we ever heard from u/cregister. He disappeared shortly after.
sacundim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those two are absolutely true things, but note that they happened before Friday afternoon. Your list is excellent, but the description at the top is wrong.
charonpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The nominations aren't official until the president takes office. While he SAID who he would nominate well before taking office, the actual actions don't take place until after he is sworn in.
mostlyemptyspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please keep this list going and repost it every week with each new atrocity. I want to see this list at the end of four years. Point by point. In detail. In fact, add links to each point so we have the public record.
Konraden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot "Wants to have 'North-Korea' like military parades with tanks and missile launchers" in major cities (which as we discovered, lean heavily liberal).
TheStratosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it is already a disaster. I was hopeful when I heard about him withdrawing us from TPP. But that hope was nearly instantly smashed to pieces.
charonpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot:
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy. A man who also had no idea that the Department of Energy is responsible for the safety and security of our nation's nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants.
Acted like a toddler at his first press conference as President, also at his speech to the CIA, by bringing in people to cheer for him after his speech.
RCC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to bash on Hillary for no reason, but she lost to this fucking guy!
If we survive, at least Bernie Sanders will seem a hell of a lot more reasonable. The Overton window just got blown wide open and nothing is off the table of public discourse anymore. And it's only been a week.
Free health care and college is gonna look like vanilla pudding after Trump marches the national guard into Chicago.
finalbossgamers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are trying to fire up your own crowd then this list is spot on. If you want to engage the opposite side and have them look at this list in hopes of changing their minds then you failed. It's only going to piss people off, because you included phrases like "Acted like a toddler". You'd be much better off including things he actually said or stuff he did without peppering in opinions. Also adding sources really adds extra punch to a list like this. I thoroughly enjoyed it either way just offering my two cents.
zerofukstogive2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh OK. Only 1/26 is similar to Hitler. Whew I thought we were headed towards WW3 for a second there.
Manfromporlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also:
Signed an executive order to cripple Obamacare in any way possible it's repealed, and (and this is important) before there's any replacement even on the horizon.
Cut all outreach programs encouraging people to sign up for Obamacare (even follow-up emails to remind people to finish applications they've mostly done). http://acasignups.net/17/01/27/trump-kills-final-week-hcgov-ads-effective-nov-1st-obamacare-officially-trumpcare-he-broke.
NinjaChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No obvious bias in this post at all /s
If you're going to slander, at least try to remain impartial.
Brumell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can you do this every week? that be amazing.
Tacocatx2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:15 on January 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we aren't allowed to call him fascist?
ellen_pao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:58 on January 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stormfront also publishes a regular list of crimes committed by immigrants.
Wonder where he got the idea
I hope the whites who overwhelmingly voted trump are happy
Leaves_Swype_Typos ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, the removing pages on the Whitehouse site wasn't really such a big deal, being that everything was removed as part of the transition. All you can get on him for is not having replacement policy pages ready for most things.
cregister ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:31:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, the pages about Civil Rights, LGBT rights, climate change and the spanish language pages aren't coming back.
We're way beyond the point now where that should be obvious, even to the most casual observer. This is Bannon's whitehouse.gov.
The_Don4President ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 18:59:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
has been one week
ERMAGOD DA WORLD IS ENDING
leejs ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:05:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He had 2 months to figure out something to replace them with, yet he didn't bother.
The_Don4President ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 19:17:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing you guys are here I almost forgot salt on my breakfast sammich this morning
KingNigelXLII ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/783977505195556864/H2h3az3n_400x400.jpg
chmod777 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:34:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, it was all so sudden. they just grabbed him off the street on jan 20 and told him he was president. there was literally no time to prepare content to post. or find staffing. or divest from his businesses.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha.
SativaSammy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:57:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda why we're upset. If he can't even replace pages on the White House website who the hell believes he'll replace Obamacare?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:21:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except they were instantly replaced with his own "issues" pages. This isn't about waiting for his transition to catch up - they took the pages down and put up the ones they prepared in advance. This is how they want the site to be.
And you know what, even going by your logic, how is that not a thing to hold against him? Trump had months in advance to get someone, anyone to format his policies for the site. The guy has time to run a completely unproductive victory tour but doesn't have time to actually lay out his plans in a logical, coherent fashion? That's like standing up for a kid who didn't do his homework because he was too busy jacking off.
Our mistake I guess: maybe he does care about those issues and is just lazy and unprepared. Great.
WhyWyoming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is normal. They removed all former policies of the Obama administration as they begin crafting their own policy.
See above.
The new administration claims new Spanish language content is on the way, according to the LA times. It was only day two when this happened.
This is provably false. The VA twitter account (@VeteransHealth) just made a twitter post today. The Department of Education, NASA and many others did the same. They're still communicating. The EPA is largely the only one being affected by his social media policies.
Not sure how this is alarming. He's conservative; the whole mantra of conservatism is to shrink the government. Do you expect him to build up?
According to the ICCI, 30% believe there's been enough studying of the pipeline to warrant construction (50% say there needs to be more studying, 20% are unsure). This is far from "deeply unpopular". You are correct that half of people seem to not want it, or are at least skeptical.
The rest I believe you are correct on. Good post.
Ohnana_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:22:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's routine for pages to be replaced. But he's had three months and a small army of webdevs to slap something together. Hell, they could have just word vomited his speech where he loves the L-G-B-Tees and put up the photo from the campaign trail of him holding a flag. 30 seconds of work, but they didn't take the time to do that. Why?
WhyWyoming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, agreed preparation could've been better. But when people mention he removed them, they're usually saying so as indication his administration is no longer supporting LGBT rights policy wise, when that isn't (yet) to be the case. So the removal, in and of itself, doesn't mean much.
Officially, we don't know what he's going to put up for policy, if anything.
Ohnana_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. We do not know. But the projection isn't looking good.
runninhillbilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Government and technology tend to not be two things that mix well together.
Remember all of the issues that the ACA website had when it was launched?
I seriously wouldn't be surprised if the House and Senate office buildings still had half of their computers running Windows XP.
ottawadeveloper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
50against and 30 for is an approval rating of -20, lying been Clinton and Trump in September; then then two least liked candidates of all time. I'd say deeply unpopular isn't a bad fit.
SuperCashBrother ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good list aside from the Patriotic Devotion day. Obama made a similar announcement in 2009.
overfloaterx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar but with different overtones: "Renewal and Reconciliation".
"Day of Patriotic Devotion" sounds like something straight out of North Korea. If someone had asked me which country had such a holiday beforehand, that seriously would've been my first answer.
SuperCashBrother ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree with you there
GalaxyMods ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that the Obama administration was the one who took all the references off the website? The leaving administration always takes down their own stuff to let the new administration put up their website. I don't see what's bad about gag orders on FDA and USDA, considering they should have been under NDA in the first place; there's absolutely no reason someone in a government position should be able to freely talk to the media as they wish. Obama did the same exact thing, proclaiming Jan 20th a holiday. "Acted like a toddler" is an opinion and quite frankly a wrong one, I think you're just predisposed to hate anything Trump says or does. There's no reason not to visit a foreign leader of one of the few other superpowers of our world, especially considering how many people want better relations with Russia and there's no reason not to have good relations with them; after all, we consider Saudi Arabia one of our greatest allies, so please don't try to say "Russia is evil so we shouldn't be allies." Obviously, illegals aren't going to vote for Trump, and there's a very good chance that a large number of them voted. Chicago is a very bad place with way too many deaths; Trump's working with others to find a way to fix inner cities, and in the meantime, I, along with all my friends who live in Chicago, support him sending the Feds 100%, not quite sure who wouldn't support that.
glasswork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"acting like a toddler" is an opinion backed up by the fact that he continues to push forward this narrative that his
penisinauguration crowd was the largest ever.Overall your entire post reads like someone who wants to enable the president, rather than hold him accountable for his actions.
Gr1ml0ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the acting like a toddler statement. It is an opinion. I copied this list for myself and changed it to read "Verbally abused CNN reporter at his first press conference as President claiming "fake news"."
Fact.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you left out his actions against TTP makes the objectivity of your list rather suspect.
mindbleach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically, 'Stop listing only horrible things?'
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe "list all the things?"
mindbleach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
This is a list of outstandingly terrible things. It's not going to include news you like for completeness or "fairness" or whatever. "President kicks puppy" does not need to be followed by the names of dogs he's petted.
Trump is promoting torture, fighting imaginary voter fraud, and openly demonizing immigrants. Is mentioning the TPP supposed to fucking exonerate him of those jawdropping failures?
Inviscid_Scrith ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He never directly threatened Marshall law...
SultanObama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would send in the feds. What the fuck does that even mean?
Inviscid_Scrith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could mean a variety of things. Yes, on the most extreme end of those options would be Marshall Law. But Trump did did not "Threaten martial law" as OP stated.
SultanObama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He called Chicago a โwar zoneโ and said โAfghanistan is not like whatโs happening in Chicago.โ He said if they didn't end the "carnage" he would "send in the Feds."
You don't send in actuaries or logistics guys to deal with a "war zone." You send in the military
[deleted] ยท 346 points ยท Posted at 17:49:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever said "Never Again", now's the time to step up.
heatherledge ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 21:51:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't get my head around this. How can things be so bad.
darwin2500 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 22:46:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's not actually anything out there that stops really bad things happening.
When bad things don't happen to the people we personally know for a long time, we start to think that bad things can't happen to us, that there must be something fundamental about our society or our government or w/e that prevents it. But there isn't, it's just that super bad things happen at semi-random times and places and one could hit us at any point with little warning.
klavierjerke ยท -46 points ยท Posted at 22:02:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you literally shaking?
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 22:16:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, trumper. Your grandparents fought a war to kick people like this out of power. They would be ashamed of you. You're an insult to American tradition and our nation's values.
joshj516 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:21:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin a right man. That generation saved the world only to watch their children and grandchildren turn into everything they fought against.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:31:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:44:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you said "Democratic opponent" like we don't know who she is lmao... I'd like to see that statistic specifically for WW2 veterans.
joshj516 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:57:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WW2 veterans?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:34:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:37:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Im sure the people who fought against fascism in Europe would be ashamed of them as Americans.
klavierjerke ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You all really need to really reevaluate what actual fascism is. Winston Churchill once said the "antifascists" of the future are going to be the actual fascists. Funny how true he was
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I checked anti-fascists weren't massive racists. Churchill on the other hand was.
mirkwood11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay you're winning. You're meme president won and now America is becoming a Nazi regime!
third-eye-brown ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:49:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea fascism worked so well last time. Hope your draft registration form is current.
dinosauralienspirits ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:21:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And do what?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:07:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repeatedly contact your representatives, pressure constituency organizations you belong to, demonstrate, don't let the people around you say this is fine or normal, etc. Everything we didnt see when people were appeasing Hitler.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because fascists can be pressured by writing letters to your representatives. Ha.
Direct action is the answer, and if people start getting shot for direct action (which is already happening) then defend yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send the CIA. I'm Canadian sucker! :p
Besides, nothing wrong with defending yourself. Or do you fascists believe only you have that right?
Trump supporters have already shot protestors. Its a reasonable assumption that there will be a need to protect yourself.
Edit: HAHA! BANT!
givalina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:54:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Principiis obsta; Finem respice:ย Resist the beginnings; consider the end.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? These are crimes from people who are not supposed to be here. If I overstayed my visa in Mexico, don't you think they'd have the right to kick me out? What if I raped a Latina? They should be able to post my crime and my name on a public list
sam_jacksons_dingus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm literally shaking. These are people, you fucking fascist! You can't just publish their crimes online. What's next? Cart us off to the gas chambers? If this isn't evidence Trump is the next Hitler, I don't know what is...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:33:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singling out immigrants as a threat to society is literally the first thing Hitler did to rise to power, you appeasing weakling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't immigrants. My parents are immigrants when they went through the process from India and paid taxes as engineers. These are illegals and shouldn't be here. We are a society and world of law and order.
sam_jacksons_dingus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. It's just one more step down the slippery slope right into Hitlerville. Thanks Trump. Jeeze, is not having a Nazi president so much to ask for?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigration is literally the oldest American value. It's what makes our country great, and why we stand above the rest of the world. Your comments tell me exactly how little you believe in this country and its values. If you dont like it here, leave.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you aren't immigrating illegally, then leave. Europeans immigrated to native America illegally
sam_jacksons_dingus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:49:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm right there with you, bud. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, being against immigration is essentially a pre-Nazi philosophy. It's only a matter of time. I'm as tired as the next guy of these Hitler-lite types and their hate facts.
(Okay, in all seriousness, I'm mostly pro-immigration. But I'm more skeptical of third world islamic immigration because of their high rates of radicalism. Hundreds of millions worldwide, according to Pew Research Center. I'm just making fun of you guys because leaping from being anti-illegal immigration to gas chambers is laughable. Do you realize how many politicians over the years have professed skepticism of mass immigration? Tons. Do you know how many turned out to be tyrannical dictators? A few. You may as well point out Trump drinks water.... JUST LIKE HITLER!!!1!!1!!)
MiniatureBadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's publishing lists primarily aimed at stirring up hatred and anger against an already demonized group. He uses anecdotes to attack an entire massive group because the evidence would show the people he attacks are nowhere as bad as he thinks. He has claimed to only want them out of the country, but how is that logistically going to work? The Nazis learned removing millions of civilians from a country forcibly doesn't work, so they moved on to killing them. When will Trump advocate the same, and will his followers back away from him even then? It's not about the skepticism of mass immigration, it's about what he plans to do to the people already here.
sam_jacksons_dingus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:15:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama deported millions. Look it up. We know it can be done.
You know the rednecks Jon Stewart used to show freaking out over a war on Christmas? You guys pushing this "Trump is a Nazi" shit are even crazier. Your media bubbles and partisanship have worked you into a hysteria, and you cannot think clearly.
thor_moleculez ยท 649 points ยท Posted at 18:45:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and just so everyone sees the danger here, the Nazis didn't go from zero to Holocaust overnight. They waged a steady campaign of dehumanization against the people they genocided until the natural human inclination to view people as people with a right not to be genocided had been overcome, such that the public wouldn't be outraged to the point of revolt by the Holocaust program.
And the thing about that is, even if Trump's ultimate goal isn't a Holocaust (or, if he's unsuccessful), this is going to have knock on effects in the way both immigrants and people who seem like immigrants but actually aren't are treated.
Basically this is extremely reckless, and if he goes through with it we have good enough reason to lay responsibility for hate crimes against immigrants squarely at his feet for a very long time.
cregister ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 19:34:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Trump has already set race relations in this country back 50 years. The way he pits groups of people against each other for his own personal and political gain makes him the closest thing to a literal demon that has ever been President.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 21:20:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone made a website of crimes committed every day by white people, I wonder how much I'd have to scroll down to get to the end of day one? Probably couldn't keep up.
Sometime ago, a FB friend posted an article saying something like 1/5 people in jail were illegal immigrants. Guy failed to realize that that meant 4/5 were not, therefore Americans. Most of the criminals in our country are American, but they'd rather point at the foreign ones. This isn't about preventing crime, it's about racism and any one with a head on their shoulders knows it.
DemosthenesKey ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 21:44:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do want to point out that if that was true, they would be MASSIVELY disproportionate to the population.
Of course, it's bullshit, and the real number is around 5%.
Stonewall_Gary ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:05:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Five percent, one fifth; same thing, really.
Nameless_Archon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:29:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative MATH!
Awesome!
acox1701 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're gonna want to come up with a way better argument than this. If 1/5 of criminals are illegal immigrants, and illegal immigrants commit crimes at the same rate at American Citizens and legal immigrants, that suggests that 1/5 of the people in America are illegal immigrants.
If, on the other hand, only 1/10 the people in America are illegal immigrants, then the 1/5 statistic suggests that illegal immigrants commit crimes at twice the rate of citizens and residents. If the actual population is only 1/20, the the rate of crimes is 4x. (this assumes a fair judicial system, all crimes prosecuted equally, etc)
If you're gonna combat racism, you've got to do better than that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't using an actual statistic. What I remember is not the actual number, and I don't even remember if his source was legit. The point of my comment was to say how some people (like my friend) like to point out how we have crimes committed by "illegals" that shouldn't even be here, when they ignore the amount of crimes that shouldn't have been done by Americans in the first place.
Essentially, I think certain people decide to label and peg undocumented immigrants as criminals so they can justify their reasoning as "I just want to keep my country safe" instead of saying "I don't like foreigners in my country." If their interest really was in keeping our country safe, there are many more issues they could tackle that would benefit Americans, like creating healthcare reforms that benefit Americans or doing more with traffic laws (since over a million Americans die each year from car collisions).
AppaBearSoup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point still stands that any stat like this has to be compared to the base population rates.
acox1701 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that. And what I'm saying is that you need to look more carefully at the statistics before you reject them. If, for the sake of argument, we could show that illegal immigrants committed crimes at 10x the rate of legal immigrants and citizens, then the argument to remove them is much stronger, and simply brushing it aside makes you, and your side look foolish.
This is absolutely true. But when they come up with an actual argument, you have to meet it with an actual argument.
Tank_Kassadin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the whole point. First of all 20% of all people in America aren't illegal immigrants so they are vastly over represented in prisons. Secondly if you had 0 illegal immigrants in America, you would have 20% less people in jail.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you had 0 crimes committed by Americans, you would have 80% less people in jail.
bukkakesenpai ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The race relations seemed quite bad even before Trump, with the whole BLM thing going on etc.. That seems to be Obamas failure.
tomdarch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At its core, we are being honest about the very real discrimination that people face and trying to improve it, and that's going to be tough. But somehow addressing the reality is a bad thing? "Obama's failure" because serious shit isn't being swept under the rug?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sub would never blame a democrat for anything
Mirazozo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:43:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is in office for 3 days and he personally set back race relations 50 years.
And it couldn't have anything to do with his predecessors?
I seem to remember Obama having a fondness for saying he inherited problems, yet race relations is SOLELY Trump's fault.
Got it.
Oh he's a literal demon too.
Got it.
chamberofechos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:54:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that happened before he even started running.
Robopengy ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 20:29:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More so than that, Nazis just wanted the Jews out of all German occupied land (into very inhospitable places). Between the impossibilities of moving so many people and the radicalizing ambition of high ranking SS officers, they decided to start killing them instead.
Edit: If you want a good resource on how someone who just wanted a new career in uniform can become "the architect of the Holocaust" and how deportation can evolve into genocide, I suggest you read Hitler's Hangman: The Life of Heydrich by Robert Gerwarth.
elveszett ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 20:46:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. The original plan Hitler had was to mass deport the Jews. Turned out deporting millions of people from their home is not as easy as it looks.
Mongo1021 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 21:12:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And countries, including the U.S, wouldn't take them.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:20:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SolaireOfCaestora ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:03:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, Syria accepted many of those jewish refugees
domrepp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:42:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry; soon we'll open a few hundred private prisons to take care of that. Maybe some hard work will teach those
nonchristianheathenterrorist refugees some good old fashioned American values.longshank_s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's my vague understanding that Hitler was always going to exterminate the Jews - shipping them to less-populated/civilized areas of Eastern Europe was a way to keep [that which was happening to the Jews] away from the sensitive eyes of (most of) the German public.
Remove the Jews from positions of governmental and cultural power (purging the Gov't) -> remove the Jews from places of mercantile power (Kristalnacht) -> remove the Jews from every day social life (ghettos) -> remove the Jews from Germany proper (concentration camps) -> remove the Jews from Europa by working them for as long as their bodies would last, then discard their empty, shriveled shells.
Europe, and indeed the world, was always to have been for the strong. Even if some of the Jews could've survived concentration/labor camps out in the forests and the boonies of Poland and Czechoslovakia, once the master race's population increased, they would need more Lebensraum eventually.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my fear has never been for the illegal immigrants, though honestly I am concerned for them, but all the same, more horrifying is the effect on brown people of all kinds. I have a friend whose half japanese and half spanish. She was at starbucks when she (for the first time of 4 times so far) was told that they're building a wall and she should go back to mexico where she belongs.
If Trump does try to deport all the Illegal Immigrants, the first thing that would happen is people who look foreign having to carry papers with them. At which point we might just come up with some kind of symbol to help make things easier and "protect them" at which point we're basically in nazi Germany before the purge.
I get the idea of having a stronger stance on immigration, I don't get how anyone could condone this horrifying rhetoric. Although this move by Trump takes it beyond rhetoric.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:11:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure currently (and before Trump), citizens that looked foreign have mistakenly been deported. It's a thing. I'll see if I can find the report.
Edit: Here's a story from NPR about citizens who've actually experienced this and here's another from Business Insider saying in 2010 about 4,000 citizens were detained or deported mistakenly
zachar3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
During the Great Depression the Government purposefully deported Hispanics to Mexico, even if they were born here
Google the Mexican Repatriation
KingClam2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who is*
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:51:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jameygates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was not democratically elected. He was appointed by the Chancellor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KingClam2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your edit is still incorrect
hotbowlofsoup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People often don't understand the timeline regarding the Holocaust.
They didn't start gassing people in 1933, when Hitler came to power. They didn't even start deporting people until 1939.
The first gassings were only in december 1941. Auschwitz was opened in 1942.
Robopengy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Auschwitz opened in 1940 to house Polish political prisoners, extermination and a camp enlargement started in 1941, gassing started in 1942
kitchen_clinton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't assign to evil scheming what can be explained by sheer stupidity. Trump is no angry WWI soldier who saw his country humiliated. Trump is no manaical despot. He is basing his actions on the lack of oversight by previous administrations over illegal aliens taking the jobs from Americans that don't want them. In fact, illegal aliens should all be accepted because they provide a needed labour pool. He is alienating people and showing the mess that has been created by the politics of division and wealth and corporatism."
homerdudeman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:02:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're already further along than we realize. Black Lives Matter was met with "Actually,". Today, Trump Supporters call it a terrorist organization. They're already peddling in 'alternative facts' about violence rates and crime with their eyes trained to liberal cities and voting rights.
Already, people -- even otherwise fairly normal or non-extremist sorts -- tend to view 'breaking the law' as something that makes a person no longer a person. Trump Supporters, being extremists, barely even wait for that distinction. Potential to break a law is 'enough' for them to de-person someone. (well, someone with dark skin anyway)
Of course we're still a ways from the worst-case scenarios. But that those scenarios are even within conversation at this point...
3226 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People aren't so easily manipulated to ignore Genocide. The German propoganda machine made sure people didn't hear about it. They made up alternative facts about the jobs they had given to the 'resettled' jews, and the wonderful conditions they were living in. They also reminded people to ignore the fake news of the Allies, using their propoganda to remind people that they couldn't rely on that as a source of information.
It didn't matter for ages anyway, as even the Allies didn't believe the concentration camps could possibly exist. It was utterly inconcievable at the time, so even when evidence came to light, at first, it was ignored.
thor_moleculez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To clarify; the rash of anti-Jewish legislation is all part of the Holocaust, and the German polity was OK with that.
atomicant89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look at the comments and views (in general, not necessarily only r.e. immigration) on The Donald it's not difficult to see how the situation could escalate in to a publicly supported worldwide catastrophe. It's terrifying frankly.
mineralfellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is not an American citizen. I am genuinely afraid that she will be denied the ability to enter the US in the future.
peabody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, doesn't she gain citizenship through legal marriage to you?
mineralfellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is not automatic or entirely straightforward (and I am not even sure that she would want to give up her own citizenship, as that would mean visiting her own family would be a lot harder). We live outside of the US, so she has been visiting there on temporary visas so far. I have recently been looking at the possibility of getting her a green card so that she can come and go as necessary. The recent policies are all hinting on making any form of immigration and visitation more difficult.
jumpingrunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right but Jews weren't actively violating laws by being present in Germany. Illegal aliens (whom you seem to be relating to Jews) are in violation of the law. Trump merely wants the law enforced.
thor_moleculez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does enforcement of the law require Trump to publish information about immigrant criminals? If Trump wants to "enforce the law," fine; but the law does not require him to do this.
jumpingrunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you have entire cities violation law and harboring criminals, I suppose you have to resort to other strategies. Public shaming could be effective in swaying public opinion to make those cities enforce the law. If they have an issue with it, they can just start enforcing the law.
thor_moleculez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cities aren't "violating law," and that you think they are only means you don't understand the law.
theinternetwatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes....yes, the mexican/muslim/black/gay/woman holocaust is on the horizon! Preach it!
Suro_Atiros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero to holocaust overnight? Don't give Trump even more shitty goals.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:38:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thor_moleculez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump is doing things the Nazis did but its unfair to compare him to the Nazis because reasons!111!!"
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thor_moleculez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:21:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So are you saying publishing a weekly report about the criminality of a class of persons you're trying to persecute is just like "drinking out of cups?" Did the Nazis drink out of cups in order to dehumanize their victims so perpetrating genocide against them would meet with less public resistance than otherwise?
Also, I'm glad the DOW is doing well, but remember, a) Trump hasn't actually done anything yet so it's hard to attribute that to him, and b) even if we do attribute that to him, keep in mind Hitler got Germany's economy humming too...so like, we shouldn't let the good stuff distract us from the really, really scary shit that's going on.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thor_moleculez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:36:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you had read my post, you would have understood that it doesn't matter if he actually intends to genocide immigrants (note: the definition of genocide includes forced relocation). As well, my view is that if you're doing Nazi shit, you don't get any positive coverage until your Nazi shit stops. The stakes are just too damn high. After all, nobody says "Yeah Hitler was a genocidal monster, but to be fair he DID get Germany's economy going again, so maybe he's not so bad..."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thor_moleculez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:51:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does enforcement of the law require Trump to publish information about immigrant criminals? If Trump wants to "enforce the law," fine; but the law does not require him to do this.
DamnSkeeters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't, like I said I don't really agree with what he's doing. I figure he's trying to break people's thoughts that illegal immigrants are always peaceful people to drum up more support for a reinforced border.
thor_moleculez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, he's trying to dehumanize them to the public just like the Nazis did. He's not going to be talking about how most undocumented immigrants are law abiding and hard working. He's going to present a cherry-picked sample of stories to distort the truth; in other words, he's going to do what he always does and lie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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the_undine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Factual accuracy of everything you just said aside, what are you going to do if you are wrong and this actually snowballs into further human rights violations? Like, if they decided that deporting was too much trouble, would you be okay if they killed these people, used them as slaves, or just detained them indefinitely without trial? What about US citizens that get targeted for deportation by mistake, just because of their appearance?
DamnSkeeters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We wouldn't let that happen, it would never happen. But if it ever did, believe me I'd stand with you to stop it
the_undine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to let you know that some American citizens have already been deported or detained by accident.
Maintaining sanctuary cities is an issue of public safety, because if undocumented people can't contact the police, that also means they can't contact emergency services unless they want to risk being deported. This means they can't report crimes against themselves or citizens. It can prevent them from reporting fires, etc.
thor_moleculez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a whataboutism straight out of the GRU handbook. Even if "liberals" or whatever are doing it, that doesn't mean it's OK for Trump to do it as well. I mean, if "liberals" are so terrible, then Trump shouldn't be following their lead, right?
Probably, I live in a major midwest city with its own "Little Mexico," and my neighborhood is right next to it.
Undocumented immigration is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. So no, they are not criminals by default. This is like, a basic "you must know this much to have a fruitful discussion about the issue" fact about the immigration issue.
And because I'm not really into unfruitful discussions, I'll end things here. You can have the last word if you want.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:41:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get organized, get over petty differences with people you mainly agree with. Agitate, educate, resist.
VStarffin ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 18:57:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, I continue to think that one of the most important people in the country right now has to be Jerry Brown.
CA is massive. It's a monster, the cornerstone of this country's economy and culture. And we are unabashedly liberal. If there's to be a resistance to this kind of fascistic nonsense, it needs to happen here. And it needs to be official. And Jerry Brown has the personality to do it.
I don't yet know what that means. I don't know what he can do. But I feel like he needs to do something.
the-player-of-games ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 21:23:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can he withhold California's net contributions to the federal budget in some way?
That should make the
welfarered states notice, and might even pierce some bubbles.cenosillicaphobiac ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 22:04:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he could just implement a "in CA we don't pay federal income taxes, because states rights, like all you GOP say you want" it could get really interesting.
ScotTheDuck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:07:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've had States try to declare federal taxes null before. It hasn't worked out well.
sacundim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:49:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So instead have the state collect the federal taxes and hold them in escrow until order is restored to the federal government.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statewide campaign to adjust your federal withholding to 0/exempt perhaps?
cenosillicaphobiac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:42:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, because that would put it on the individual, who could be punished. Take the full brunt at the state level, just say "employers in our state are only allowed to take out state taxes" and fight that fight at a higher level.
IsNotACleverMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:20:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldn't win that fight. The issue of federal taxes is settled.
TheProphecyIsNigh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That actually gives more money to the Feds.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
woops
AppaBearSoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
States rights is of concern to whomever doesn't hold power in Washington, or so it seems.
sacundim ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:50:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals don't profess a hard-on for states rights' like conservatives do. They prize individual rights, and see the federal vs. state rights question as a means to pursue them.
WinningLooksLike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
California (and every other state and territory) gives $0 to the federal government. CA citizens and businesses pay directly....
WalkerDontRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What ever happened to that secession petition? That'd be a fantastic way to accomplish that.
ryanbbb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could probably pull a Christie and close all of the ports for a week for "repairs". That would get everyone's attention real quick.
Faps2Down_Votes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:07:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
States depend on each other. If California didn't want to participate I'm sure the government could dry up California by closing the irrigation ditches from the Colorado river. Quit with your stupid fantasy because that's exactly what it is, stupid.
jeremiah256 ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 19:10:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm sure the Trump Admin has him high on their list of enemies. I really hope Gov Brown is prepared and that other like minded states are ready to slug it out. Violence or not, this is Civil War II.
moose_testes ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:10:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No that was the one where Hawkeye killed the Hulk
submissivehealer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much do you want to bet in forty years, there will be a movie made on this?
jingleheimer_spliff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on how things play out I give it 15 before it's made into a mini series.
MURICCA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol 40 years? Cave drawings, maybe. If theres still anyone left to make them
3226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only took 4 to make a Sarah Palin movie.
IsNotACleverMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Nailin' Palin took only a year or less.
MURICCA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh why did I google that
IsNotACleverMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you wanted to watch it?
zachar3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not fair the west coast gets two Governor Browns. We want one
sacundim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. Trump's claim that millions of people voted illegally, if anything, is an attack on the legitimacy of California's government.
MURICCA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do we have to fight another goddamn war over the liberty of minorities just because the same jackasses couldnt get over losing last time?
Fuck this country
jumpingrunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
TK81337 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:50:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New England is also pretty massive, and pretty damned liberal. Let's team up.
RamuneSour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
East America, west America and middle America.
bcon24 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:35:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"California is not turning back," You can read his latest address here: https://www.gov.ca.gov/home.php
Reasonable_Thinker ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:58:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, I'm from Washington and I can GUARANTEE that we will stick by our Californian brothers and sisters.
Oregon should be able to put up a fantastic resistance as well.
The West Coast is not going to stay silent about this shit, I know we like to give Californians crap but we love you guys.
Our states have to stick together.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:45:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the executive order calling for the list of immigrants committing crimes specifically targets sanctuary cities, saying they'll withhold federal funds from cities/states that fail to report/deport.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. CA doesn't need the feds money. Jerry Brown is acting like a true boss right now. I'm glad we have him.
wussmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oregonian here. While we usually vote blue (due to Eugene / Portland) everything else is crazy gun nutsville. Population wise we have more progressives than GOPers and id happily join, the people in southern oregon and eastern would most certainly not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow lefty here - buy guns and learn about them - the fascists will have them if they decide to come.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
West Coast UNITE!
AgoraiosBum ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:17:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Left coast best coast
mirkwood11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If things keep going like they're going I really wonder if the whole 'Yes California' thing will actually happen.
With how crazy things have been, nothing would surprise me at this point. Hell Trump might have his ego offended enough to actually help them do it.
zachar3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now r/T_D is boasting about how red the state will be once they stop the "illegal voting"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and you, we're on the same page.
smokky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I am glad I am in CA right now. Btw I am not sure if reddit has read this Goosebumps!
VStarffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for this. genuinely comforting.
morpheousmarty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seced from the union. I know it's crazy, but all other options are crazier.
Gifted_Canine ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:55:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. No.
Why should WE leave because one asshole got to power? Fuck that shit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah let's not do that. Didn't it come out that one of the majors secessionist thought leaders conducts his business from Russia?
CharaNalaar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it came to that, I'd rather start a second civil war.
morpheousmarty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we don't want to be under his power? If he sends troops to initiate massive deportations, will we comply? If we rebel against the federal government, you can call it whatever you like, I like the clearer message of secession.
johnbrowncominforya ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That kills the union.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's on life support atm. Just saying.
walkedoff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also need to purge all NY and NJ democrats from the party. Time for a new western way
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you guys in CA can stop passing stupid gun laws, I'll move there!
RichieWOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Not meh guns, I luv meh guns"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. I'm big on 2A, but they're not that onerous. You'll have a harder time paying the rent than keeping a gun.
atc_guy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NorCal would like to talk to you about being "unabashedly liberal" I just moved here and there were far more trump signs than Clinton. Not to mention the whole "Jefferson state" thing.
Mulsanne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Central valley doesn't count
ademnus ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 19:05:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Executive Order: Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States
The mass arrests are about to begin.
Granny_Weatherwax ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:19:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy that's a fucking terrifying read.
Gifted_Canine ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:05:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I am having an out of body experience.
Other_World ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:58:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it. That's exactly it. Since the election, I've been trying to figure what this feeling is.
Holy shit, my grandfather literally killed Nazis. How did we end up here?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:27:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ - no kidding. WWII was for nothing.
starstough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dissociation. Look it up in terms of psychology.
AppaBearSoup ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Libertarians are going to be having such a huge told you so boner.
Plorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Libertarians could have prevented it if they voted hillary
AppaBearSoup ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:25:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary was also an authoritarian who would have just kept increasing power, but with the approval of liberals. Eventually someone liberals didn't like would take power and it would only end up worse.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:56:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SolaireOfCaestora ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:47:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is not the job of local law enforcement to round up undocumented immigrants. Furthermore, it hurts law enforcements ability to police effectively when, in cities with many undocumentef immigrants, it is important for those people to not be afraid of the police and act in assistance with the police when a real crime is committed and witnessed. If an undocumented but otherwise law abiding immigrant witnesses a murder, how likely do you think it will be for him or her to report that murder to the police?
Granny_Weatherwax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have zero clue what you are taking about.
calzinofelice ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:10:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like there is some pretty broad latitude baked in... From Section 5 on reasons for removal: "(g) In the judgment of an immigration officer, otherwise pose a risk to public safety or national security. "
ademnus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:30:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the judgement of some alt right zealot who can't wait to join up as Trump scrapes the bottom of the barrel to triple the staff.
middledeck ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:50:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. You can count on those 5,000 new ICE officers being Trump's version of the SS, only instead of rounding up Jews, they'll be rounding up undocumented immigrants.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:58:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think they'll do when they've run out of immigrants and Muslims?
Zippityjiggles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:06:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Round up anyone who opposes the Almighty Tiny Hands.
w_t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read 10000 new ice officers. And they'll all be wearing red hats.
goatsonfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be clear, that applies to "removable aliens who... (g) In the judgment of an immigration officer, otherwise pose a risk to public safety or national security." So it doesn't make an immigrant removable based on that judgement.
MWL987 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:52:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly does "identification" entail, and how is it possible to identify someone as an illegal alien without violating the Fourth Amendment?
Does this sound familiar: "Ihre papiere, bitte." Translation: "Your papers, please." A phrase used during Nazi Germany...
Some group better challenge this executive order in court so that it undergoes judicial review. Also, I'm expecting a filibuster of all of Trump's SCOTUS picks. An executive order establishing internment camps is next if the Dumpster doesn't get removed asap.
ademnus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:19:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Identification means domestic spying and cataloging and mass arrests. Expect detention camps as part of the border wall thing. He's already been replacing people who might object.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/article/Border-Patrol-chief-out-day-after-Trump-border-10886188.php
Nameless_Archon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:41:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually called for in the EO. Yes, seriously.
MrsMI1UCAN2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:21:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ten THOUSAND new immigration officers ... jhc
MWL987 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:56:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ten-thousand immigration officers at GS-5 pay is what, $350,000,000 per year? FFS.
Gifted_Canine ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:07:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the overhead on that salary. Probably closer to $50k a head.
MWL987 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:09:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, $500m... almost the exact amount that he 'saved' by defunding Planned Parenthood.
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:51:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right.... saved..... fucking idiots i swear. PP is incredibly useful for both women and men -- when i was broke and feared that I had an STI i was able to get free care and testing. Incredible program, and it probably saved me/the government a whole lot of money by me utilizing PP instead of an emergency room or something
esreveReverse ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, the government saved themselves money by paying for you. Right.
blob-dob-11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PP save money by giving education and services, leading to prevention of STIs and unplanned pregnancies.
You don't see the savings in the prevention of an abortion? Or the treatment of an STI? or the cost on the state for a child raised on welfare? The initial cost of education and equipment far outweighs the cost of the consequences in taking those services away.
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who foots the bill when someone uses the emergency room and knows they cant pay for it? It ends up being the taxpayers
venomae ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:02:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy there buddy, he made a whole bucket of money by scrapping all the climate agencies budgets. Checkmate liberals.
ademnus ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:39:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the SS all over again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey my brown-skinned neighbor stole my wi-fi. Please deport him and give me some money.
Tony_from_Space ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sec. 14. Privacy Act. Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information How's that going to work?Aren't all people within the US protected under the constitution?
evilgiraffemonkey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I googled it and apparently the privacy act was extended to non citizens only in 2007.
Tony_from_Space ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So then this section is meaningless because it is illegal to exclude them from the already existing law.
jackmo182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last time I got a feeling of hopelessness and dread like this Voldemort infiltrated the ministry.
LoudestHoward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what does this part mean in reality: (c) Ensure that jurisdictions that fail to comply with applicable Federal law do not receive Federal funds, except as mandated by law;
I looked up a list of Sanctuary Cities here, what effect will this have on them and how are they being classified? One is DC lol?
Good_Rain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that was horrifying. I can't even process this in all honesty...it's making me feel so helpless right now, and I'm not even an immigrant. I can't even imagine how people who are must be feeling right now.
TheManInsideMe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that website. It's just spam on spam.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ademnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/mEhHeILa3HE?t=3m30s
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SolaireOfCaestora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They generally pay higher taxes actually, because a job will usually automatically take taxes out and they dont claim tax returns out of fear
bikebum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I do think the narrative is incorrect about the immigrants being so terrible, but I don't get what's wrong with deporting illegal immigrants.
I have a friend who came here legally. They said it was a big pain in the ass with all the papers, and if they get a DUI or some other things they can be deported and banned for 10 years! Given that context I don't really understand what's so bad about deporting people who snuck in.
cregister ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 17:59:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... uh... are we still really waiting until April 15 for the next mass demonstration?
Good_Rain ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:03:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right?? That's exactly what I thought when I read this. Everything that's happened since the inauguration has been abysmal, but this is too much for me.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:22:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting on the date for the march for science
acemerrill ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:10:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, scientists are planning a march for pi day (March 14th) I've heard of others, but I'm not sure when they are.
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not Pi day, its a tuesday. Either the 11th or the 4th, saturdays are good for these things
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, we should be marching in March at the latest. We're thinking early march for the March for Science but still nothing set in stone
sluttttt ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 19:07:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the start of this whole shebang, I thought that comparing Trump to Hitler and/or the Holocaust was a bit extreme. I don't feel that way anymore. How are people not getting scared by this (people=the people who are saying to "just give him a chance!").
datssyck ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:11:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because thats what they want
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bit unfair no? I always thought that the American people despised the establishment so much they would take anything over it. It's a funny meme now but seriously, Bernie would have won.
bootstrapping_lad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:43:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not so sure, there are a lot of racist fucks in this country.
tcrazyknuckles ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:41:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the people who are saying to "just give him a chance" likely aren't the ones to be arrested, deported, or appear on this list.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Al-Shakir ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
14 characteristics of fascism according to a nobody. He's not a scholar, has no peer-reviewed work whatsoever, and is a political partisan. Why should anyone care what his definition of fascism is over anyone else's?
Passmore, published by Oxford University Press (2002), gives the same definition as Eatwell and Laclau:
Trump's administraion meets at most two of these requirements (numbers 1 and 2; and 1 is very doubtful because his policies have some libertarian/free market principles which undermine the idea that the state apparatus is supreme). The Republican party is not a mass party, and it is not militarized at all. He has no syndicalism. And he has virtually no totalitarian systems.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:38:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Al-Shakir ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doctor of what? Where did he get his doctoral degree from? The guy is a non-entity. There is no dissertation or thesis or research published by this person. Anyone is allowed to claim they are a Doctor, I guess. But the more important question is, who has sanctioned this claim? No accredited institution in this Lawrence Britt's case.
Tyr_Tyr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exalting the nation is a YES.
Reactionary in opposition to competing systems is a YES. Did you see how he reacted to the Women's March? How he talks about other leaders who are not dictators?
Single leader is a YES. "I am the only one who can fix it" sound familiar? More executive orders in a week than Obama signed in the first six months?
Syndicalist Corporatism is a YES.
Totalitarian systems is a NO. We're not there yet. But we're sure moving in that direction at a rapid clip.
the_real_MSU_is_us ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, 13 applies to both parties and 14 (rigging elections) applies more to Hillary for fucking over Bernie than it would to trump
On 4) (Supremacy of the military), it's applied to both parties for a while now. Rs are more guilty of it for sure, but it's not like Bill C, Obama, or Hillary were/would have been anti military either
On 2) (violation of human rights), Obama and Hillary have also been pretty sketchy here, not just Trump. Torture, Guantanamo, the NSA spy programs... all supported/tolerated/expanded by them. Hitler also did some things liberals today agree with, like socialize healthcare, enact gun control, enact pro-choice laws, and spend a lot on the federal level to get the economy going. But it's not genuine to compare these to Bernie's platform and conclude that Sanders is Hitler
Most of this list does apply to Trump, I jsut wanted to point these out since you said "Trump's America meets every one of those characteristics.". His competitors also meet a few, if we're to be honest
Tyr_Tyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton didn't rig the fucking elections. Would you please stop with that damn stupid meme. She got millions more votes. And no, the DNC doesn't run primaries. Stop.
Supremacy of the military doesn't mean that you're pro-military in a generic sense, but that you believe the military approach to international interaction is the correct one.
Agreed that both sides violate human rights, but again we're talking about a dude who wants to bring back torture and calls people who argue against it idiots.
phd2k1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right?! This team of white supremacists and their ultra rich puppet masters are using the exact same playbook as the Nazis and other dictatorships. They aren't even trying to hide it.
Discredit and censor the news.
Single out minority groups and use them as a scapegoat for economic woes.
Threaten and squash any reasonable political opposition from states and major cities.
Change the laws to tighten their grip on power.
This exact playbook has worked in many places before, and it could happen here if Democrats and Republicans don't come together to defeat these Fascists. It's time to step up.
Sempais_nutrients ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM scared. Scared of where America is going and how far the people will allow it willingly.
jumpingrunt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because people want immigration laws enforced.
sluttttt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:53:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigration laws have nothing to do with publishing a list of crimes committed by anyone.
greasyburgerslut ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:24:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
theinternetwatch ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES he is Hitler and the Holocaust is coming! Join the protests and make sure you get on as many tv channels as possible while chanting these insane lines so Republicans sweep midterms easily.
Taliel ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:30:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also manufactured a crisis to justify getting emergency powers, entrenching him and nazi party in total command. The way Trump is unprepared to fill so many government positions yet putting the blame on Democrats looks like it may be setting up such a crisis. Watch for "congress is broken, give the president more power to fix it."
TrumpsCheapToupee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you mean the Reichtagsbrand with the crisis, thats disputable. Historians are not sure who set the Reichstag on fire. The guy they arrested (iirc some one from Holland with impaired sight) confessed, but there are doubts about this up to this day. But its true that Hitler used the fire to suspend the basic rights of the Weimar constitution. It was one of the main steps to establish the Nazi dictatorship.
venomae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also some major terrorist attack or shitty little military coup thats gonna get slaughtered ala Erdogans funk show - combined with "slow and ineffective congress"..
dooomedfred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that kinda what happened in Star Wars?
Taliel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, it is too! Sad.
cmal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the life of me I don't understand why congress isn't using this as an opportunity to reign in presidential powers. Is McConnell just incompetent or what?
cumdong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Playing it by ear.
mygawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't there need to be an amendment to the constitution to give the president more powers?
kyonu ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 16:33:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Characteristic of fascism number 3:
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/20/1452457/-Time-to-pull-out-again-The-14-Points-of-Fascism
UhPhrasing ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 17:46:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and #12
cowboys5xsbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean somewhat #12 but no entirely
UhPhrasing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well foreshadowing to it, judging by his Chicago comments
The_God_Father ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 18:46:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Trump hit all of these? A brief glance over the list looks like Trump represents every single one, but does anyone have a comparison of some things he's done or said that line up with each characteristic?
Seanatronic ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:44:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most presidents make a few on that list, but Trump is blowing them out of the water.
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive seen 14/14 on W and 14/14 on Obama somewhere on the internet before
Seanatronic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:43:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hmm yea going over it i guess Bush does make quite a few, but some are up for interpretation. He cut funding for the arts, but it's about a disdain for the arts. Obama definitely hits less of them than Bush though. He didn't intertwine religion and government, for one example.
MiniatureBadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've only seen the 14/14 for Obama once. As an example for the kind of bullshit they put on their list, their example of Obama being misogynist was saying that black people are abusive towards their wives as a whole. Obama is nowhere in the same realm as Trump, and while Bush is definitely a war criminal and deserves to be sent to the ICC for ordering the torture of enemy combatants, he was nowhere as open to committing war crimes against his own people as Trump has hinted at (calling for putting Americans in Gitmo, open opposition to due process for suspected terrorists, and many more).
kyonu ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 18:47:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a list a reddit user created. It shows him representing all 14 in just the first 5 days of his presidency:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5q2vxt/trump_calls_for_major_investigation_into_voter/dcvwknb/
The_God_Father ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:47:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent list, thank you!
AdolfBurkeBismarck ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:00:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how Obama also fit all of them.
kyonu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:04:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'll submit he fit some of those, but he did not fit 2, part of 3, 5, 8, and technically 14 even though he endorsed Clinton.
AdolfBurkeBismarck ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:21:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama failed to have any meaningful responses to human rights abusers abroad, and even regularly collaborated with them. He's done everything to warm up the likes of Iran and Cuba, and welcomed donations from the Middle East. Not to mention Obama continued the National Defense Authorization Act, which allowed him to continue to arbitrarily detain and torture anybody.
Obama has continually blamed racism and whites for his shortcomings. After Obama won in 2008 and 2012, anybody who stood in the way of his agenda did so "because he is black." The reality is that racism is a boogeyman, and few people would dislike somebody because of their skin color before their policies.
"I think there is a reason why attitudes about my presidency among whites in northern states are very different from whites in southern states," Obama said.
"So are there folks . . . whose primary concern about me has been that I seem foreign, the other? Are those that champion the birther movement feeding off of bias? Absolutely."
This is absolutely the case with Obama. I don't even feel the need to defend this.
kyonu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:29:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abroad? He isn't the leader of foreign nations you know. He's done a great deal for the equality of America, the country he was leading.
Isn't this just a budget directive?
If you didn't know, right-wingers made a pretty good case to back this up. Bernie even recognized it during his primary. No other president has been accused of not coming from America other than Obama. He is black, so Trump said "he came from africa" like most racists do. How is that not proof of Obama's "because he is black" "agenda" (whatever agenda that is)?
Not to mention thanks to republican Gerrymandering, black people cannot vote in nearly the same capacity as white people in some southern states--so ask yourself, is it Obama creating a "black agenda" or the Republicans defying him because he's black?
Racism is not a boogeyman. there are clear cut examples constantly. Voter participation being one of them.
I apologize, I typo'd. I meant 5. I do agree he has had way too much "supremacy" with military.
But he is not a rampant sexist as number 5 suggests.
140Boston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sure does
danceandpretend ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:19:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the Republican playbook.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:01:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well... considering the definition of fascism is: "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization", this is why im not surprised.
hippoctopocalypse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already got fascist bingo, isn't the game supposed to end after that?
mindbleach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a scholarly definition. Use Umberto Eco's instead.
MuthaFlippin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:26:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...basicallyhitler.com
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quick quiz: What's Dr. Lawrence Britt a doctor of?
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Answer: Literally nothing. He's a retired Xerox finance executive. And the website you linked to, http://www.rense.com/, is a ridiculous "fake news" conspiracy site.
kyonu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at the definition and results of Fascism. Rense.com maybe a fake news site, but the content of this article is absolutely correct.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. According to actual experts, Trump is not a fascist.
"On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage
kyonu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:11:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would help if you picked an article that wasn't almost a year old.
If you actually read it, which I know you didn't since you posted 7 minutes after me and it's a LONG article--you would find Trump now embodies almost the entire thing.
He is definitely a populist ultra-nationalist, definitely does not care for democracy (as per his whining when he lost), he is definitely "obsessively preoccupied with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."
You should read the whole thing. Today, not in May 2016, it is a good indication of his fascist nature, not the opposite.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your conspiracy site article was written in 2004.
What a petty complaint. I read it when it was published. You're grasping at straws.
Yeah, I remember all those pro-Trump mobs committing "redemptive violence" with the "goals of internal cleansing" /s
Oh wait....That isn't happening. You should stop frequenting conspiracy sites lol.
kyonu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fascism has been around since the early 1900's. My comment was about Trump changing his views within the last year. Context clues.
Apparently you didn't otherwise you'd known Trump has changed in the last year and is obviously acting as if a Fascist leader.
lol what
He just put in a hiring freeze, fired a ton of people, and is trying to "cleanse" America of minorities, either through deposition or killing their ability to vote. How blind are you?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just cite a reddit comment as a source? Lol, I don't think you understand how sources work.
A hiring freeze is a "redemptive violence" now? What did you mean when you referred to Trump using "redemptive violence" to pursue "internal cleansing"?
You're completely insane if you honestly believe this. Spend less time on conspiracy sites. Trump isn't purging America of minorities.
kyonu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? That doesn't make any sense.
Goals of internal cleansing, obviously. This is getting out of hand.
Policy and propaganda are perfectly good reasons to believe this. But since you are apparently not going to give me decent discourse and will simple personally attack, I am done with you.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:35:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? What "redemptive violence" are you talking about? Just give me a straight answer!
EDIT: (crickets chirping...)
pastafish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He's simply a racist who wants to keep the current system but deny it's benefits to the groups he's interested in oppressing." - phew, not fascist though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Words matter. Redefining language for political convenience is exactly what Orwell warned about.
Asking_miracles ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 17:47:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All republicans aren't racist, but if you are racist and you're looking for a political party....
49erlew ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:25:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...please stay far, far away.
I already feel politically homeless as it is. Let's not make the problem worse.
[deleted] ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 20:06:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mate, a white supremacist is whispering in the Republican President's ear, telling him he needs to identify ethnic minorities for public condemnation. Your elected Congress isn't going to stop this. There's no more Republican party for people like you.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 20:42:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sideofbutterplease ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when has the right been concerned with Europeans or Canadians overstaying visas?
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:08:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It never references undocumented workers. This is anyone with immigrant status. And if you think this report will be singling out white people, you havent been paying attention.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 22:10:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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YungSnuggie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:05:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
most aliens here are minorities
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:08:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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acox1701 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:18:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but the police aren't gonna start asking anyone from my group of friends for their papers, either. A few brown guys sitting around, though, they might get some questions.
I feel your discomfort, though. There are a lot of things that the GOP is against that I am also against, but the way they go about trying to fix the problem is totally unacceptable.
Animal31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which would be easier to believe if the white people didnt get a free pass
MortifiedCucumber ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 20:57:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you change illegal aliens to a racial group, you can call people's immigration views racist. Just like if you consider Muslims a race. Silly how we can tear Christianity to shreds for the outdated views but pointing out the Quran's call to kill gays and oppress women is somehow racist. Any ideology must be open to criticism
Conan_the_enduser ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:08:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being open to criticism and applying blanket accusations against all follower of an ideology is the not the same thing.
MortifiedCucumber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm completely with you. That's why I mentioned criticising Islam instead of Muslims. I have muslim friends and secular Islam fits into our society. It's wahhabism and it's spread that's the concern
Conan_the_enduser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I'm getting a little defensive lately.
MortifiedCucumber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All good. I apreciate the honesty. Tensions are high and I'm trying to spur debate. It's expected
Animal31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what ideology's open for criticism? Yours
MortifiedCucumber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm very open to that. I actively seek criticism. In fact, I upvoted people disagreeing with me, including you. Healthy debate is important when we disagree. It's much better than the isual echo chamber of /r/politics
jumpingrunt ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:47:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Ethnic minorities"
Illegal aliens*
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:53:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It never specifies illegal. Legally, anyone is up for grabs, which your Fuhrur did on purpose.
jumpingrunt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he's gonna be the Fuhrur let's make sure we show him the proper respect of noting that he is our Fuhrur.
cregister ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:45:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not just at your doorstep, they're already in your house and sleeping in your bed. Time to own them, evict them, or move out yourself.
La_Sandernista ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Republicans had 17 candidates to choose from and they went with the man who literally began his campaign with a speech where he called Mexican immigrants "rapists and criminals". The GOP has gone off the deep end and there isn't a place in it for moderates anymore.
You can either leave the party, fight back and reclaim it from them, or go down as an enabler.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton actively pushed Trump to the top, can't blame republicans for that.
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
ericmm76 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:21:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Democrats. I'm sorry, it just is.
The Democratic party is the party of governance by, of, and for the people. The Republicans are the party of extract value and avoid culpability. Ah a bunch of isms.
I can't see how I'm wrong. The Republicans have been acting like all government is bullshit for forty years. But America needs a government. The free market doesn't do what America does.
phd2k1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the ludicrous border wall, tax cuts for the super rich, and starting an isolationist trade war, at this point the Dems are far more fiscally conservative than this administration. The Republican party of today looks nothing like the party of Reagan. Fascists have stolen it. You don't need to become a Dem permanently, but you can join with them in the meantime to help defeat these Fascists.
stewmangroup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:38:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break the news to you but people who are the type to be openly racist were already part of the Republican party.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-white-flight-of-derek-black/2016/10/15/ed5f906a-8f3b-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.c3be61e41d35
Icalloutbigots ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:34:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come join us on the left. It's ok, just come with us. We'll take care of you.
49erlew ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:22:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is... the most stereotypically liberal response that I could have possibly received.
And I love you for it.
wickedbadnaughtyZoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will hug you and squeeze you and call you "George" if you want.
darwin2500 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:51:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally every other political party will happily accept you. Don't get bogged down in identity and label, just ask yourself what you truly believe and who best represents it.
tomdarch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get active and involved. Take back your party. From by political stance, I could snarkily say "Yay! The Republican party is gutting itself! Woohoo!" But as an American first and foremost, the Republican party in its current state is horrible for our nation and the world. A sane, moderate, reality-linked Republican party would be politically much stronger in the long-run, so moving back to that is bad for the Democrats/progressives I want running things. But for America and our future? Please get involved and work to bring back a sane, moderately conservative party that can contribute to governing our nation, not spouting racism and lies.
whatswrongboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
supporting the party that has time and time again shown to not be defiant in the face of racism makes you accsessory to the crime. Every GOP voters deserves to be ridiculed and shamed for what they have done. The path Trump is taking has been outlined for months now.
PureLionHeart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overly generous at this point; it requires outright, concerted effort to remain ignorant.
FreeAsInFreedoooooom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people who hate blacks go with Reps and the people who hate whites go for Dems.
Do you have a point? Because this means nothing in isolation and has near-zero relevance to the article.
I'm not fully clued up on the Green party, but for arguments sake let's just say they are even more anti-racist than the Democrats. If the Republican party didn't exist, wouldn't that make the Democrats the party most attractive to racists (all else being equal)?
EDIT: for the hypothetical lets ignore the other, smaller parties.
Daily_Newspaper ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it the Democratic Party that doesn't want white people running it? Wikileaks showed that Obama picked his cabinet based on race.
Bosno ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:48:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally no point of doing this other than trying to conjure up more hate/fear of immigrants and minorities. What a time to be alive.
SadPanthersFan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's doing it so dumbfuck Republicans will blow their collective loads again in the name of MAGA. They continue to support everything he does and their only response is still "lol librul tears".
[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 19:44:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:52:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gometrule ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never understand why the one issue the majority of Redditors are nuts about is guns.
x86_64Ubuntu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it allows you to stay under the Conservative banner, without having to take the punishment that comes with being a social conservative.
AppaBearSoup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:28:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I'm against it because it turns doctors into agents of the state which leads to less people seeking help. Same problem with mandated reporting.
mygawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So essentially they are against banning guns from the mentally ill, but don't want to own up to it so they blame liberals instead?
Cold_Buttox ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:01:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants are less likely to be criminals than the native-born
Good_Rain ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:06:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, sure, sure, but after the lists start it won't seem that way, and that's what's really important.
Seriously hope /s isn't necessary
Cold_Buttox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, very true, but I just felt like sharing facts backed up by statistics.
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:45:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BC-clette ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 17:36:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he doesn't have a moustache so all comparisons to Hitler are moot, unfair exaggerations from cry-baby sore losers. /s
the_beer-baron ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:26:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is the "everyone is Hitler defense:"
Yeah, but everyone gets compared Hitler. Trump, Bush, Clinton, Kanye, the Pope, Mister Rogers. I mean I've been comparing Obama to Hitler for 8 years so obviously Trump can't be Hitler now. /s
ChickenChic ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:14:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mussolini didn't have any facial hair...or any hair for that matter, so I think fascism can come in all hair styles, facial or otherwise.
ranger910 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:47:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be.
UghYetAnotherAccount ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting; good callout. I didn't know any of this but even light Googling turns up evidence supporting your claim: http://www.researchforprogress.us/topic/concept/fascism-umberto-eco-slam-dunks-lawrence-britt/
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cowboys5xsbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this is hilariously true
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quick quiz: What's Dr. Lawrence Britt a doctor of?
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Answer: Literally nothing. He's a retired Xerox finance executive. And the website you linked to, http://www.rense.com/, is a ridiculous "fake news" conspiracy site.
[deleted] ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 19:27:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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venomae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He still doesnt have a mustache.
WheredAllTheNamesGo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He had to choose between the fake tan or a fake mustache. He already has one terrible fake hairpiece, so he went for the shit tan.
KingDoink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That hair is a pretty clear sign of evil.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SvenHudson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thing two is absolutely not trivial.
KuriGohan_Kamehameha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize that you browsed reddit, Xi
Dispatcher9 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:39:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me the list of crimes committed by Trump, both before and AFTER being elected will somehow be just as long, and probably worse
RabidTurtl ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:44:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In before "Trump hasnt killed millions!"
dezmodium ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:30:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give the man some time. He's been busy.
middledeck ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:46:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Busy watching TV.
venomae ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you cant just kill milions of people straight away. Theres certain premeditation and careful preparations that have to be done so the whole gargantuan task is actually feasable. I mean, just getting the logistics in place to get all the ... customers ... in and out properly and on time is quite a task. And they dont have anyone whos experienced with government project of this size so they have to go just by historical books which they didnt burn in the meantime.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just give those preexisting conditions four years to work their magic and then we can reevaluate.
superdago ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:03:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But remember guys, comparing Trump's behavior and policy to other dictators because he consistently behaves and proposes policy in a way reminiscent of those dictators is why people voted for Trump.
But unlike other dictators, I don't even have faith that Trump will get the trains to run on time.
StaticVulture ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:28:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll run on alternative time
anotherblue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Trump voters wanted dictator. They actually got what they voted for...
StaticVulture ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll run on alternative time
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:48:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're comparing a lifetime of crime from historical dictators to the first five days of Trump's administration. You're looking at the wrong part of the story. Read up on how they got started, and get worried.
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:31:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should be condemning him for the things he's already done, and appreciating how they resemble the methods other authoritarians have used to seize power.
dashthestanpeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler wasn't democratically elected, he was appointed.
RandyMFromSP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, that's kind of a technicality. Canadian Prime Ministers are also technically "appointed", but their parties are the ones who are elected into power. Most people would say that Justin Trudeau and Stephen Harper were elected.
raviary ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:05:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many more instances like this do we need before trump supporters will allow the Hitler comparisons without throwing tantrums about it?
cosmic_lotus ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:29:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll still be throwing tantrums & blaming Obama when they're sitting in the camps with the rest of us. Their Snowflake in chief can do no wrong.
morpheousmarty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The truer it gets, the worse they will get.
steazystich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many Trump supporters see the comparison as a compliment?
steazystich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or rather - "Telling Trump supporters that he's Hitler doesn't work because Hitler was the last guy to make America great again."
uniquethisisnot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:23:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I wouldn't call it a tantrum. I'd say it's more of a rolling of the eyes. I mean I do the same. You guys just sound like little children when you do.
Kantina ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:13:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazi's First. Then America.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like mercedes.
morbidexpression ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:19:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but Hitler had a mustache so this is TOTALLY DIFFERENT
PotaToss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:03:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/a/HBSk9
(If it's not clear, that's Trump's hair pasted on his lip. Somebody better at Photoshop, please improve.)
Moose_And_Mug ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:35:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this cannot be improved it's perfect
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a nice flag (objectively speaking, it was a perfect design).
Trump is slacking.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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benevolinsolence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It never starts that way.
It's like that proverb about slowly boiling a frog.
TheAccursedOnes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
k
DizzySpheres ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 17:03:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get a list going of republican crimes? Solicitation of bjs in mens bathrooms come to mind
ChickenChic ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:23:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If sucking off men in bathrooms is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
b1ak3 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:07:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a crime, it's just hypocrisy.
SurpriseHanging ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:01:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The crime is they ask for heads but never offer to give them. Reciprocity is the moral foundation of glory-holing.
HighspeedCentipede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad that we have you here to be an expert in blowing anonymous cock. Thank you for your service (ใยดใปฯใป`)ใ
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't just thank him for his service! He just told you reciprocity is necessary!
stanthemanchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically they're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around.
darwin2500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm public indecency?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't solicitation a crime?
Jamolu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll start: this guy
ademnus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete list? There's not enough disc space on the internet.
FrankPapageorgio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bathroom law bullshit makes total sense to me now. They just wanted to ensure that the person blowing them on the other end of the stall is an actual guy, not a girl that is transitioning.
rc_bhg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like it to be actual crimes though please. Too much of the "going to be a crime if blah" gets posted on reddit.
ehkzibiht ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:54:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to areas in Germany during Hitler's rise that were against him? Like the way California and other blue states are against him.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:43:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He created regions that mirrored local states, called Gau. Then he appointed Gauleiters to act as Nazi liaisons to the local governments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauleiter#Nazi_Germany
mandoponcho1337 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. But before that he consolidated power through the Enabling Act which allowed him to make emergency decree without the Reichstag, after a supposed terrorist attack on the terrorist building itself. Wouldn't be surprised if Trump did the same after an alleged attack, somewhat like the Patriot Act but much more irrational. He would have the full fledged support of his supporters and many of us would be too fearful of an alleged domestic threat to fight it.
datssyck ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you wonder why on day 1 he decided to piss off the entire Arab world, doesn't it?
venomae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We dont have to go that far back. Imagine the same kind of fake like-a-coup thing that Erdogan orchestrated. It doesnt have to be a coup per say but one shitshow like that and you have Patriot Act II - The Rape of Constitution on the table.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look - when you're famous the constitution just lets you do it, it's totally consensual.
BarbaraSpectre ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:32:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were none really, at least on this level, due to his banning of Jews from owning media entities. Most of the hysteria against Trump, much of it just, is riled up and pushed by the Jewish owned media of today (cnn, nyt, wapo, etc). Imagine if you had no news at all telling you anything against Trump, you probably wouldn't get as riled up. This doesn't mean Trump has anything against Jews or anything, he's probably the biggest friend to Israel we've had in decades.
RetroCorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be so sure... Remember when he spoke to that Jewish conference?
net_403 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:46:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the irony here the comparison of how many crimes are committed by actual citizens? Are we going to deport all of them too because it is a lot more. It's suggesting that a crime is worse when you commit it as an immigrant somehow, and not as bad as long as you're a resident.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worse because illegals aren't even supposed to be here. It's like if I invite a friend to a party and they fuck up then I'll forgive them, but if someone crashes my party and trashes my house then I'm going to call the police.
net_403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope if your friend trashes your house at your party you don't forgive them easily either though lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'll be pissed but it's on a whole different level.
net_403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we should invite everyone to become legal so we can trash our country together lol
noahcallaway-wa ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 16:53:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The media, right along next to Trump's list, needs to publish a list of crimes committed by citizens.
Jamolu ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 18:11:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, better, a list of positive things immigrants are doing every day.
jumpingrunt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But illegal immigrants break a law by being in this country every time the clock strikes midnight.
Jamolu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say illegal, did I? I just said immigrants.
jumpingrunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Trump never said anything negative about legal immigrants. So it's irresponsible to use the innacurate title.
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:58:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The EO actually states that a list of crimes committed by immigrants shall be published. It does not specify legal status
comehonorphaze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:36:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ya i was wondering that whole time. It didnt always specify illegal or legal immigrants
SolaireOfCaestora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could assume, but I dont think that presidential memoranda is the place to assume
fdsa4327 ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 19:23:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
competing against americans to keep wages down. As a landscaper, its important that I get to keep from paying americans a fair wage or healthcare. It so much better to hire 4 illegals than 2 americans
Also when I was in costruction, I was able to get rid of 2 american guys getting $50,000 and hire 4 illegals at $25,000. WHy is it fair that an american should get that money? share the wealth like bernie says. when they send that money back to mexico, it probably eventually makes its way back to america eventually.
also, when I was a computer programmer, I imported cheap h1b slaves so i could fire my american tech department. americans in tech are overpaid anyway, and my h1b drones cant leave me without getting thrown out of the country
also when i owned a restaurant, so many illegals were there asking for jobs, i just fired all the americans and hired the illegals, because the americans didnt want their jobs anyway, plus those americans were probably xenophobes against the illegals anyway, so they deserved it. fucking drumpfxenophobehitlernazis wanted a living wage when so many illegals are just trying to get by
also when i owned a bunch of meat rendering plants, i only hired illegals, because there were so many around and they work way cheaper than american worker hitlernazis who want a living wage. it would be hitlernazi to hire american racists at a living wage when the illegals just snuck into america for a better life. what, are you hitlernazi and dont think that anyone who sneaks into america deserves to have an americans job?
if illegals are strong enough to sneak into america illegally and apply to work illegally, why shouldnt i hire them? they're here anyway, and so easy to find, why not?
why would i want my american employees spending money in my community when we can send it to mexico? why do i care about american families when i can hire illegals?
calzinofelice ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:44:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you made the choice to hire illegal workers, that's on you. Also, it is illegal for you to hire illegal workers.
surreal_blue ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:49:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... you are saying you broke the law in order to increase your profits?
blackhawksaber ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:00:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you illegally hired laborers and are blaming them for you paying them less?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:43:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fdsa4327 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I HIRE the illegal immigrants dude. How can illegals survive in america without highly moral people like me? the more I hire the more i can help destroy the racisthitlerxenophobenazi american worker who wants a living wage. do you stand with the american hitlernazixenophobes who want a living wage?
since we all agree its immoral to deport illegal immigrants and that they should stay forever, and we all agree that anyone that sneaks in must stay in america (or you're racist), we must hire them.
or are you some kind of racist?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:35:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fdsa4327 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a sanctuary city, and Im a freedom fighter fighting for illegal immigrants rights to crush the american working class hitlernazis living wage. the more we drive the american worker into poverty with wage competition, the better
my sanctuary city approves of my quest, as evidence that they allow them here and dont harass me when i hire them.
it would be illogical to allow them to live in my sanctuary city and NOT use them as cheap labor to drive down hitlernazis quest for a living wage.
or are you some sort of racist who wants the american worker to have a living wage?
the only way we can have fairness and equality is to drag the american worker hitlernazis into the poverty gutter with us and the illegal immigrants
or do you hate america?
PunksPrettyMuchDead ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:41:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sure, and there's just lines of 17 year old white kids lining up to pick fruit as soon as all the brown people are gone, right?
Conan_the_enduser ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:11:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you value higher profits over your own fellow Americans?
fdsa4327 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:15:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I support globalism more than the american middle class.
Dems said it was good to crush the american middle class worker and help illegal immigrants, so Im trying to implement their morality
Anyone who illegally sneaks into america and breaks the law by working illegally is more important than americans
america is evil anyway
Conan_the_enduser ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:19:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you hit your head this morning? What is this nonsense?
fdsa4327 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop with your xenophobia you racist. Do you hate foreigners more or do you hate them because they are a different color than you?
You know, hitler hated foreigners and people of color too, dont you? Are you saying you support hitler's policies?
Conan_the_enduser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me about your mother.
Kaiosama ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 18:24:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Publish crimes committed by Trump.
Every crime he got away with should be published daily for the next 4 years.
DynamicDK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh...they will be. At least, as soon as they are discovered.
chmod777 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:32:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can you even print a list 33k names? cuase that's how many deaths there were by guns in the US. in just 2013. and that doesn't account for any other violent crimes.
anthonyfg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
unless you consider suicide a crime, your list just got a lot shorter.
Aavenell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suicide technically is a crime, but only so police can legally break into your house to stop you.
ur_shillin_me_smalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I can't believe I never thought of that because it seems pretty obvious now. That makes this Banksy art look pretty stupid in retrospect. Like something that belongs on r/im14andthisisdeep.
Aavenell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounded really sarcastic until I went back and read my comment.
ur_shillin_me_smalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all, I'm a firm believer in using /s as a modifier for sarcasm.
kinguvkings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a reminder that immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, are less likely to commit crimes than native born citizens.
Trump is propagating this LIE that immigrants are predisposed to be criminals. It's bigoted and false.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't we already do this? Get a local paper or watch the local news.
noahcallaway-wa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Local papers do not publish every single crime committed unless you live in a very small city.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. Also, every town I've lived in publishes annual reports including all criminal arrest/violations statistics and even includes finances of the department and who each member of the department is ect.
noahcallaway-wa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump published a list of weekly crime statistics for aliens, then I think the media should publish a list of weekly crime statistics for all Americans.
However, it sounded like Trump was going to publish a list of all crimes committed by aliens. If he actually does that, the press should publish the full list of crimes committed by Americans.
I just think they should have parity with whatever Trump published...
32BitWhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already do that and have for years, it's called a police blotter, except it wasn't done as a political move (like Trumps list is as would this mythical list in your scenario). Arrests and convictions are public information in this country.
noahcallaway-wa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware that the information is public and available.
What I said was the media (and specifically the news media) should publish the information alongside Trump's list.
I never said the information doesn't exist. Just that the media should publish the information next to the other list.
reowl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Citizens ar protected by privacy laws. This order makes it so that illegal immigrants are no longer protected by privacy laws.
jw_zoso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_in_the_United_States
There, now them immigrants don't look so bad
takeashill_pill ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure these crimes will be in the proper context, not like in his convention speech when he mentioned a woman who was killed by an illegal immigrant without mentioning it was a car accident.
redhatwhiteglove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The girl was killed by DUI - the previously-deported man's 5th DUI to be exact.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which means if that illegal immigrant had never entered the US, then she wouldn't have died so its still their fault just for existing. Its the same with terror attacks in Europe. They're being done by people born there, but if you hadn't let their trash parents or grandparents in in the first place these tragedies would have never happened.
takeashill_pill ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:42:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So can I make the argument that abortion is justified because criminals could have been aborted? If we're going to legislate based on disturbances in the time stream, why not.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:18:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzanic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on it!
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:25:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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goldman105 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:02:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard of the Iroquois nation? Yeah they were formed before European contact. But sure they didn't have castles or white people so they weren't a country.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:11:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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goldman105 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:22:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea what you are talking about.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rubiksfit ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:14:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying anyone who does not conform to your way of life doesn't deserve to live? There is not much of a difference between you and the radical Islamists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rubiksfit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My comment was in response to your comment about natives not having a written language. Reading and comprehension is not that hard.
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, all your non-points aside, lack of a wheel means Native Americans have no valid complaints against the US government for past offenses.
THEODOLPHOLOUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You desperately need a history lesson.
doublethump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois
Wrong, sad, low energy, etc.
hazelfoot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:29:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone I knew was killed in a car accident involving an illegal immigrant I would advocate driver safety/awareness, not deporting all the immigrants.
The_Thurmanator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You skirt on the line of troll, sarcastic guy, and wackjob really well. I'm not sure which of the three you are.
DemosthenesKey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at his username. Dude's blatantly a white nationalist.
Edit: whoops, meant the other guy responding. Although considering his statements about "trash", that dude's probably a white nationalist too.
Double edit: go back far enough in comment history and you find all sorts of wonderful things about getting rid of all the "trash". That's enough internet for the day; time to go do something more encouraging like play Dark Souls.
THEODOLPHOLOUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God it must suck being such a sad angry piece of shit like yourself.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 17:56:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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whatsorangesoda ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:53:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A white rich boy was drunk driving and killed multiple people and got NO jail time. I think all white people should be expelled from the country.
radialomens ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:12:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Trump has explicitly argued that Mexico is sending us murderers and rapists. This person wasn't committing premeditated or rage-fueled murder, he committed an accident.
rubiksfit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:16:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An accident is that, he did not intend to kill that person. So, calling it "killed" by an illegal immigrant is straight up lying to suit your myopic view of the issue.
doublethump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
National policy should not be based on or refer to single accidents.
shadow776 ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 17:22:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Allegedly drunk driving and street racing, but it's just a "car accident" because Trump. If it was a rich white kid you'd call it murder and no amount of prison time would be enough.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:49:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a sarcastic comment? There was literally a case not too long ago when a rich kid was freed from a harsh drunk driving conviction because he had "affluenza."
cregister ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:33:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A drunk driving accident in which he killed 3 people! But he was a white kid so just a bad apple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And nobody agreed with the sentencing, you're argument is ridiculous.
THEODOLPHOLOUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but I wouldn't say we should deport all white kids.
Glorytooth ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 18:21:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First they came for the Mexicans.
I'm not a Mexican, so I said nothing.
Then they came for the Muslims.
I'm not a Muslim, so I said nothing.
Then they came for the journalists.
I'm not a journalist so I said nothing.
And then they came for me.
Edit: added line to be closer to original, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
ghostdadfan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:35:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Chicano living in Arizona. If Little Hands thinks he can terrorize my community without me doing everything I can to push back, he's sorely mistaken. I fought racist Sheiff Joe Arpaio with my friends, family and allies, most whom are US Citizens and have been for generations.
I want people to understand that when a man says something like "we only want the illegal Mexican criminals", They've already profiled a category of people regardless of their actual criminal or immigration status.
YoungNasteyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this. This is so perfect for what's happening in this country and so many people are blind to it. Digging our own grave. All in the name of "security", allowing Republicans to drive the fear sword so deep into our culture we can't just live normal lives.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First they came for the illegal immigrants and I said nothing, because I'm a US citizen. Then they banned all the muslims and I said nothing, because I'm a US citizen. Then they came for me and I didn't have to say anything, because the US military is well funded.
Glorytooth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:50:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are misinterpreting who "they" are.
ItsJustAJokeLol ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:36:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It won't compare to a daily list of crimes Trump commits. He'll be responsible for more deaths and job loss than the last 30 years of illegal immigrants and all while being criminally corrupt and in violation of the constitution.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the foundation of your argument is that illegal immigrants do indeed cause death and job loss.
ItsJustAJokeLol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:42:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly the foundation in any way. My statement is true even assuming death and job loss due to illegal immigrants is zero. Maybe you didn't read it very well?
mindbleach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you say "immigrants cause all crime," someone disagreeing with you is not saying "immigrants cause no crime."
The negation of "all" is not "none." It is "not all." Calling bullshit on your extreme argument does not mean we are taking the opposite extreme position.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never took any position whatsoever. I said that his statement implies that immigrants cause death and job loss. Which I find hilarious.
I know you only call people "EXTREME" because it inflates your sense of moderation and intellectual superiority. But before telling people off for their EXTREME arguments, make sure they at least made an argument in the first place.
Edit: Also what's with the "we". You don't even know that guy. Cut it out with the hive-mind nonsense.
mindbleach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again: opposing the claim that "immigrants cause tons of problems" does not require one to believe "immigrants cause zero problems."
What you find "hilarious" is completely unremarkable - unless you don't understand this concept. Your kind typically doesn't. Same way you don't typically grasp irony; hence the eyerolling accusation of "hive-mind nonsense" from an obvious T_D username.
HighspeedCentipede ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He never claimed immigrants cause tons or few problems. Neither did I. He just claimed that immigrants cause some level of problems which will be less than the ones caused by President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
Your reading comprehension seems weak. Common core? Excessive mind bleaching?
"Your kind" used to be considered a racist term. You are confusing a single individual with a group of people again. It's like you just can't stop with the collectivist ideas.
mindbleach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you projected a little harder you could do 3D.
HighspeedCentipede ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:04:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the liberal gave evidence to support his assertion in 3... 2... 1...
Oh wait that never happens. Ha, what was I thinking.
gAlienLifeform ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:00:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of lists, I think it's time for an update already, /u/MaximumEffort433
MaximumEffort433 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for fucks sake...
Updated.
I can't repost it again this week, I don't want the mods to get me for spamming, but the list itself has been updated.
Seriously Donnie, you want us to hate them so much that you're going publish a list of crimes committed by immigrants?
How about doing the same thing with the Irish?
What about the Catholics?
African Americans?
Ooo, let's publish a list of lone wolf upper middle class white males with mental illness! I bet you'd totally publish that list, wouldn't ya?
For. Fucks. Sake.
gAlienLifeform ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:33:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your efforts are appreciated :)
e; but I think this might be the link you want
MaximumEffort433 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:38:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woops! Thanks for that!
draztico ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, your working overtime here, congrats on spreading the word.
RegalWombat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of Irish, I've always wondered if the mouth foaming xenophobes(who likely descend from European immigrants) that support Trump would rethink their views if they actually read a book and realized that they're basically the modern equivalent of the nativist movements that terrorized pretty much everyone under the sun who came to the country in the late 19th and early 20th century.
I know you'll always see some of these bozos say how "oh my ancestors came here in 18whatever from Ireland and they integrated just fine, why can't other immigrants?" but I feel like that only furthers the question for why have a ban when there have been endless instances of immigrants being normal people in the US?
Your family got to have the chance at a life in the US when their existence was treated as subhuman and times were volatile, why take that chance away from an entire group of people? I feel like too many people have this way too romanticized vision of what their family's immigration to the US was like in the 19th century and don't realize how pretty much anyone who wasn't pointing to a relative who was a New World settler had a target on their back for violence and discrimination.
I mean blanket statements like saying "all these people from x are criminals" is pretty much verbatim of when there was endless amounts of xenophobic hate fueled language about how every Irish person was a wife beating alcoholic, who want to leech on the system while actively draft dodging and following some old guy on a throne in Rome.
Mongo1021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But no Irish!
It's a great line in "Blazing Saddles."
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:48:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
where do you think he got the idea?
Nimbokwezer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:46:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A list. Not, you know, statistics, because that would paint an accurate picture of their violent crime rate versus that of legitimate U.S. citizens.
GGrillmaster ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:06:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to buy stock in companies that sell brown shirts
Stillill1187 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:01:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red hats.
raygundan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you'll find the term "redcap" has a wonderful historical meaning to give it some extra zing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm amazed a "Trump Army" hasn't been formed yet, honestly.
dooomedfred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have a private security force.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link? Someone posted one for me that I was passing around about this but I lost it. Thanks!
steazystich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I transferred all my assets into Costco, Fuddrucker's, Gatorade and Powerade (just to be safe). I'm still terrified but at least my retirement is secure.
Spelcheque ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:02:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm sure, some of them, are good people.
This is what America voted for. We saw it coming and did it anyway. Essentially, we are scum.
unhelpfulandangry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of only two people I know who voted for Trump is a Jew. what a forgetful, hateful, piece of shit she is. But of course, because I'm brown I can't actually rally that point without coming off as the 'stereotypical angry brown person', so i just let myself stew.
Spelcheque ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a nice old Jewish guy who turned into an angry old Jewish guy and voted Trump because he hates Mexicans. Persecution does not turn a people into a better people. Look at how Israel treats Palestinians.
freshthrowaway1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:13:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never forget that even Hitler had Jews that worked for him. People are pretty shitty.
TheMediumPanda ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:17:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a scary tactics since very few people are able to make that very important distinction between how life looks out their own windows and how demographics and macroeconomics (which crime is a part of) work. With some 325 million Americans, any number of crimes reported by any significant group will set off massive red flags. "Last month, 5799 people of Latino heritage were arrested on theft/pickpocketing/breaking-and-entering charges in California" will probably scare the bejeezers out of most regular folks, people who can't really scale such number and hold them up against the fact that millions of people in California have a Latino heritage.
Dvout_agnostic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:44:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data"
merganzer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:11:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep thinking of Ernst vom Rath - a Nazi diplomat whose assassination in Paris by a Polish Jew was used as a pretext for Kristallnacht.
This isn't even subtle - he's inviting the populace to generalize and retaliate against many for the crimes of a few.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:36:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really know what immigrant means - POTUS
aeyuth ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:46:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was Hitler this stupid?
anon4773 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:05:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried reading Mein Kampf but I got too bored immediately. I'm told it is pretty stupid.
HomoRapien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did the same but realized I couldn't read german halfway through
mandoponcho1337 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:04:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was a great orator and knew how to surround himself with smarter people who had calculated economic and social plans. He was just the mouth piece and cult of personality that the people revolved around, though he was very powerful and gave the final orders, even to Germany's demise. His ego caused him to go against the advise of his generals in ways that would ultimately cause their devastating loss on the Russian front.
unhampered_by_pants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sunrise, sunset.
CodenameVillain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would've happened if Russia was on Hitlers side?
mandoponcho1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have never happened. Hitler hated communists to the core. They had a treaty which Hitler reneged on. He never planned on coexisting with them. Just wanted time to build his army without a Soviet threat, and to go into Poland.
sepharih ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:39:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone....maybe wesley clark jr.....said something that blew my mind recently.
Yes...Most fascists and totalitarian dictators are this stupid. That's actually why they're dictators. They lack the intelligence or nuance to achieve their goals through diplomacy so they push with raw brute force instead.
Counterkulture ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was objectively way smarter and more able to enact a coherant ideology. I don't know if that makes me feel better... I guess it does.
anotherblue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:34:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not think so... He was much better orator, for start...
datssyck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. But so were the thousands of hungry and angry Germans that supported him...
redditrasberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was actually scarily similar to Trump - he gave speeches where he ranted and raved about things and people basically wrote him off for seeming too crazy to get elected. And then he did.
cmit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:37:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know about you but I don't like where this going. History shows it may not end well.
dermotBlancmonge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Publish a weekly list of corporate crime
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All immigrants, including European ones, or just the brown-skinned ones? Wait, I think I already know the answer to that...
PROGRAMMER_FOR_TRUMP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, just the ones here illegally.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, you people are exhaustingly dumb. There is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
PROGRAMMER_FOR_TRUMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right back at you! Thanks for the civil conversation. Take a deep breath... I was being sarcastic.
Good, so we aren't discriminating against any particular alien group! At least we are being fair.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell? You think legal immigrants should be subject to a witch hunt too?
PROGRAMMER_FOR_TRUMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're delusional, most states already provide arrest reports with the alleged crime committed for U.S. Citizens. Should aliens get special treatment over citizens?
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so they're going to be publishing weekly witch-hunt lists for everybody, are they? Because that is not what the order says. Seriously, guys, I know legalese can be opaque, but in this case it's extremely straightforward.
PROGRAMMER_FOR_TRUMP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what a Declined Detainer Report is do you? It doesn't sound like it. Go read up. This isn't a "witch-hunt" as you make it to be.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I have to wonder if you've even read the order. Declined Detainer Outcome Reports will be (one of) the source(s) of the weekly public lists. Do you...do you not hear how fucking dystopian this is?
PROGRAMMER_FOR_TRUMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, remember I'm too dumb? /s
It would appear that your tin foil hat is too tight. "Declined Detainer Outcome Reports or equivalent". This is directly due to "Sanctuary Cities" ignoring the law that is already on the books in regards to criminal acts by aliens. Maybe you need to reread it.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I'm telling you the language is used is terrifyingly open to interpretation. Assuming an actual lawyer looked at this somewhere along the line, that can only mean it's deliberate. You can choose to believe that or not, I guess. I saw a survey recently where Trump supporters looked at the photographs of the Obama inauguration and the photos of the Trump inauguration and flat-out insisted they could see more people in the latter, so I'm probably beating my head against a brick wall here.
PROGRAMMER_FOR_TRUMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not thought. This E.O. is clear as day. Any Immigrant that commits a crime and a sanctuary city chooses to ignore it will have their names published with the crimes that they have committed. This is by far the most straightforward E.O. Trump has given.
Cool unrelated story. This isn't what I'm disputing here.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, beating my head against a brick wall.
Delnie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:39:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand whats the point in having these same discussions all over again, it always ends up a big circlejerk. Also I think it's stupid to discuss shit like this in a big safe place like reddit where 95% of the people share the same opinion. Why don't you all just join Shia in assaulting innocent people and yelling "He will not divide us" in the name of peace and tolerance?
astro_eng ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:23:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary had an illegal server hitler did the same!
messed_up_marionette ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitlery?
LarryDavidsBallsack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:55:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just a list like some FBI data compiled at the end of the year, but a weekly list like a newsletter. It's ongoing state propaganda designed to incite hate against a vulnerable population. All this when immigrants actually commit less crimes than native born citizens.
Tell us again how we're being so irrational and over the top and ignorant when we compare Trump to Hitler. This is 21st century fascism in the making.
deadpear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe call it the Corrupt Criminals Calendar....or something like that.
10390 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:36:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he could come up with this stuff on his own.
The problem won't go away when he implodes.
feariswasted ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:32:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By it's very definition, racism is "antagonism, or discrimination towards someone based on their race." The creation of a list which solely calls out the crimes of immigrants will inherently seek to foster a narrative of the immigrant as a criminal.
fuzzyKen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"immigrant" is not a race. That is, unless you think that all illegal immigrants are from one, non-white country, which would make YOU the racist.
There are illegal immigrants of every color in this country. "in 2006, about 45% of illegal immigrants were Visa overstayers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Visa_overstay. That includes people from every country.
Oafus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fucks sake, you know damn well that "illegal immigrants" is a dog whistle and refers to Mexicans. Unless of course you're referring to those goddam Canadians!
fuzzyKen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure; for the uneducated and for racists.
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is exactly the target audience.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow 45%?
So an expensive wall wouldn't really help much with that problem
fuzzyKen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
It WILL help cut down on immigrants from the south, though. They make up a majority of illegals.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By a slighty majority.
Based on rhetoric you would think only 10 percent overstay their visa while 90 percent come the other way
Interesting
feariswasted ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say immigrants are a race, that doesn't make sense. The term immigrant refers to all groups of people migrating from one area to another. The posting of crimes committed by immigrants is racist because it creates a negative narrative towards them and people will make unfair and sweeping associations about groups of people coming into the country. If you only highlight the negative then people will only have it to respond to.
As to your second part I don't know what you're getting at.
feariswasted ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to "the immigrant" in the royal sense, same as to say "the general group of people". To restate my last sentence in my original post: The creation of a list which solely calls out the crimes of immigrants to the United States will inherently seek to foster a narrative that all immigrants are potentially criminals. Does that clear it up better?
alexmikli ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants aren't a race so this doesn't fit the full definition by itself.
feariswasted ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:20:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they aren't a race, but immigrants are composed of many races. Racism doesn't have to target one specific ethnicity. It can be broader than that.
angelcake ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps someone should publish a list of crimes committed by homegrown terrorists and radical Christians.
steazystich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why won't any of you ever just say radical Christian terrorists and acknowledge the real problem!
angelcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter what the name is, we all know who they are and what they do. If you prefer radical Christian terrorists by all means, I'm not going to disagree with you. That pretty much is Timothy McVeigh and Dylan Roof to a T. I'm not sure if McVeigh was a Christian terrorist or just a patriotic terrorist but he was a nasty piece of work regardless. I think you can also throw the school shootings into the mix, I'm sure somebody somewhere has compiled all of the stats and if they have this would be the time to release them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The alt right already touts citizen crime stats, especially by race. It doesn't get great PR though.
angelcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be very interesting to put the stats that Trump wants to publish side-by-side with the rest of them, I suspect that immigrant crimes wouldn't look anywhere near as bad when put against some of the homegrown terrorism that's happened over the last decade or two. I'm sure they would just come up with alternate facts to explain everything but it would be a place to start
AlternateFactsBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White crime rates are the second lowest, after Asian crime rates. Trump supporters might have sympathy for blacks, since it's not like they came here against our will, but it's hard to have sympathy for the rest. Most Trump supporters would just say that we should have banned immigration a long time ago, or never changed our policy from what it was in 1964.
angelcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not simply general crime stats, what about people like Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, what about the school shootings, what about all the people who have died violently at the hands of born in America Americans?
There's no doubt that immigrants commit crimes just like everybody else commits crimes but singling them out as a group without looking at the whole picture, without including homegrown terrorists, does not paint a balanced picture. Is the point to make immigrants look bad or is the point to get the whole picture out there? To me it sounds like the former is the only intent of this exercise. There's no better way to control a population then by scaring the shit out of them and the best way to scare them is to make them afraid of their neighbours. Choose the most easily acceptable "enemy" and demonize them. That is exactly what Adolf Hitler did to German Jews. The propaganda was so effective that by the time he started killing them nobody stopped him. Do I think Trump is Hitler? No. I do think however he's misinformed and misguided by the ultra conservative right wing Christians who make up his inner circle.
Just my opinion but looking at the way the first week has played out there are going to be tough times ahead and it's unfortunate because Americans are terrific people living in a gorgeous country with everything to look forward to and this man is going to wreak havoc on the middle class and the poor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These stats wouldn't be meaningful to most Trump supporters. His supporters are white people who generally have more of a racial identity than left-wing whites. If you offer those stats then the response is just going to be the classic alt right position of "Well I'd love to live in an all white ethnostate, but that's not accessible. Getting rid of immigration is possible though and we've got a guy willing to do it." All that would be possible with an 'American vs non-citizen' comparison would be to increase white resentment of non-whites, which is much less safe than kicking out illegals.
Same answer.
If those crime stats were broken up by race then white Trump supporters would just say we should have restricted immigration a long time ago so that people like the Orlando shooter's parents couldn't have come here. They'd see it as more reason to kick out immigrants and they'd see it as reason why we should have kicked them out a long time ago. If the crime stats weren't broken up by race, someone would break it up by race and it'd go viral.
This kind of argument annoys me a lot because it really lacks self awareness. The right wing has their own groups who they think have been scapegoated and they don't feel it any less than the left does. My boyfriend is a straight white male who feels like he's been bullied by progressive teachers and professors for his entire life. He feels the exact same way that these groups do when Trump backs the police state or kicks out the immigrants.
America is full of diametrically opposed groups with mutually exclusive interests. One set of them will always be scapegoated and attacked. That's what it means to have a divided nation. Electing Hillary wouldn't have made my boyfriend feel any more represented than electing Trump makes Muslims feel represented.
Tough times ahead for some people. Trump will be a huge push back for whites, traditionalists, males, etc. just like Obama was for non-Whites. Different groups get their turn being unilaterally represented for eight years and being shat on and exploited for the next eight. Neither group likes to acknowledge that the other side feels equally fucked over by their side as they do by the other's side.
bananagoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The FBI does it every year. People like my father don't care, facts be damned, he knows we need to be afraid of immigrants more than anyone else.
angelcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how do you differentiate? You're walking down the street and you see a Muslim family coming towards you. How do you know how long they've been in America? They could've been here for three generations and are just as American as you are. How many immigrants ended up in the military and served multiple tours in war zones? Should you be afraid of them? This is the problem. Like it or not there are many different ethnic groups making up The population of the United States. There is no way to tell by looking at somebody how long they've been in the country. Where do you draw the line and punish somebody whose grandparents or parents were born abroad? How do you punish somebody who wasn't born in the US but had been here since he was two years old and is a productive member of the community? This is not a simple us and them issue and anybody who paints it that way is wrong. This is fear that has been promoted by the new government soon as they started their campaign a year ago. US governments have been using fear to tighten their grip on the population since 911.
So who should your dad be afraid of? The guy who came to the country with nothing and struggled to make a success of himself, to provide for his family, to become a US citizen? Or the current government that is stripping away your democratic rights every day.
Anyway that's my rant, do with it what you wish. I judge people as individuals, not as a group and I choose not to live in fear.
bananagoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misread my comment or I didn't express myself well enough.. I do not share my father's views. I show him the FBI terrorist data every year to show him that radical right-wing terrorists kill more people in this country every year than Muslims do. He never budges to my chagrin.
angelcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, you're quite right, my apologies. Regardless it felt good to get it off my chest and thank you for listening.
bananagoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all good. We all misread things on the internet. Hopefully your words reach someone though!
Take care.
angelcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You too. Be safe amidst all this craziness.
underbridge ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:10:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point there will be violence. And I'm not sure it's the wrong answer.
cregister ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:22:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would only help Trump. Chaos and violence in the streets is what he wants. His inaugural address was all about the "carnage" and "blood in the streets" that's supposedly going on in this country. Protesters acting out violently gives him someone to point at and say, look, it's them, those are the people that are keeping America from being great!
underbridge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I won't be committing violence. But someone will.
thehappinessparadox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll probably declare martial law to give himself even more power. Watch this be calculated.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resisting fascism through violence is self defense.
Moleculartony ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:25:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he is Hitler, someone should assassinate him.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:47:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Blurry12yo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:05:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
srsly. I'd hesitate to say the A-word in a private telephone conversation.
jtalin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"how can we help?"
redditrasberry ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:43:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually an interesting point, if nobody arrives from the future to take him out soon then I'm going to assume we can conclude that time travel is actually truly never going to be possible.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well wait, are we talking Timecop rules or is this more of a Back to the Future situation?
CantSeeShit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping for back to the future, Make America Great Scott Again
unhelpfulandangry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last 3 months was when I was holding out for the ability of time travel or divine intervention, even. When I went to bed on the 20th I knew we would have to do this ourselves. And I have no idea what to do.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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drswordopolis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the FBI already knows someone shoul-oh. That's not where you were going. Nevermind.
gas_trump_supporters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the rest of them too
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've been asking for months now.
trollme_a_river ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 16:54:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think how many millions of lives could have been saved if someone killed Hitler (or maybe even Goebbels) before they totally consolidated power.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:10:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starting to think more and more like this these days
dongazine_supplies ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 18:00:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the second amendment people can do something about this situation.
meowskywalker ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 18:10:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By which I of course mean calling their senators constantly, and not the first thing that everyone in the world thought the second they heard that sentence. Obviously.
domrepp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it. How am I supposed to exercise my second amendment right to call them? Or did I miss an announcement about the next Samsung?
ademnus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:08:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're the ones who caused it. My money's on some alarmed CIA agent or ex-agent.
datssyck ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:07:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yes, the Kennedy route
venomae ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:13:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally JFK'ing the shit out of him.
ajt1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol what the fuck is wrong with you people?
TrumpsCheapToupee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:17:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Georg Elser tried in 1939, sadly he failed. He was killed on the 9th of April in 1945 in camp Dachau.
wickedbadnaughtyZoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BBC article The man who missed killing Hitler by 13 minutes, in case anyone was curious but too filled with ennui to bother.
TrumpsCheapToupee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would have got almost all of those fuckers.
hotbowlofsoup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the Netherlands we had an anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim/next-Hitler guy in the early 2000's. He got shot by a liberal guy, before the elections.
Guess what happened...? His popularity soared, his party won the elections, before collapsing because of incompetence, and a lack of leadership. All the established parties were blamed for the assassination, because they had been against this guy, compared him to Hitler, and riled up the people. So it became impossible for them to be critical against new politicians who had even more extreme points of views.
This situation created an even worse anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim/next-Hitler guy, who is still extremely popular 14 years later.
Killing Trump, would be immoral of course, but also ineffective, because it's not about him. And if you make him/them actual victims, you will give them the power to act as the victims they want to be.
I think you have to let the incompetence run its course, and let his followers experience that his America isn't that great.
nasrmg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but wheres the line? What if shit gets really circa 1932? When is it acceptable?
Mongo1021 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I contend that the number would be around zero.
In many ways, Hitler was a product of what we being felt at the time in Germany. He just tapped into what was already there. Without Hitler, there could have been someone else.
Amedais ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump secures total consolidated power, I'll eat a hat. Until then, stop trying to compare them.
Neat_On_The_Rocks ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:45:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amedais ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL... you're comparing those accomplishments to gaining dictatorial power over the US? That's the biggest leap I've ever seen.
loconet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This ride doesn't feel like a linear progression.
TrinarUltra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really know how to motivate!
hetellsitlikeitis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But who will do it the bigliest?
Ask the important questions!
font9a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. We're not even getting into the comments section before hitting Godwin's Threshold.
PacoRamirez1966 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:32:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REEEEEEE. He will not divide us. REEEEEEEEE.
Bill_Talon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the list of crimes committed by Donald Trump? I'm sure that's longer than even a year's worth of crimes committed by all the immigrants in America combined.
PureLionHeart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:08:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this is horrifying. Could be worse though; you could have had a woman who had email issues. Now there's a chilling thought.
hawaii5uhoh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:57:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stormfront apparently does this too - although they tend to focus more on Blacks and Jews. But I'm sure they're happy to see the White House copying their playbook.
some_random_kaluna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:11:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I own rural property, several loving animals and a few firearms. My family and I will try to shelter and feed and support any persecuted people escaping the Waffen Schultzstaffel in the coming days. Standing offer.
peterxgriffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you located? I can bring a few firearms to this party
some_random_kaluna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nevada. We've our share of crazies, yes, but that makes the sane here all the more determined.
Brad_tilf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:13:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain his AMORAL supporters will be behind this 100% and be able to justify it somehow even though it absolutely WREAKS of authoritarianism and fascism.
Kirbychwan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:03:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all of the snark in the thread going 'well, Hitler slept in a bed, so etc etc': the problem is that makes no fucking logical sense.
You are giving equal equivalence from a task everyone does (e.g breathing) to something that, statistically and historically, a very short list of people have done. And that list is basically dictators and fascists. You guys need to get it through your heads that this is a very authoritarian/fascist move from ANY political perspective, and stop doing weird mental backflips trying to get away from the fact.
This is a slippery, slippery slope towards normalization, and the only achievable goal in doing this is to incite violence and prejudice against immigrants in general.
GreenSage45 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:13:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are the Party of Alternative Facts and False Equivalencies
JPNYCE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you think he got the idea from?
jonsnowme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can publications drown this out by not publishing this information. Granted Fox News and Murica.fa.ru will still publish it but..
fluffykerfuffle1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
does it say where he is going to publish these names? i think that if he actually does this then we should publish names and crimes committed by the GOP (was just reading up on Dennis Hastert and some others who like little boys)
NWmba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spelled Steve Bannon wrong
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FWIW, comparing Trump to Hitler is an insult to Hitler.
Hitler was an evil fascist. But he was also competent.
LeanMeanGeneMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To an extent. Trump just skipped ahead to the delusional Fรผhrerbunker-phase
combatwombat- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I think everyone who died on the Eastern front would disagree lol
gamerholic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only crime that a legal US citizen can never commit in the US is being an illegal alien; all other crimes are not exclusive to immigrants...
03ifa014 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One more step to the concentration cam-- er-- specialized "for-profit" prisons that will house our illegal immigrants!
JordyNelson87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that cheese steak place in Philly that has pictures of all the police killed by non-white people.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has to do everything he can to legitimize the completely pointless anti-immigration bills that will cost us billions of dollars. Obviously it won't work on the majority of the population who are livid with the amount of money this is wasting. It's just more propaganda for his cult
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets just respond with a list of crimes committed by Trump.
showstealer1829 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it.
Trump isn't Hitler. He's worse
You know what Hitler stood for. Trump changes his mind depending on what's trending on Twitter.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Trump didn't kill Hitler.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
different and same , Hitler had deranged ideology motivating him, Trump has personal ego driving him and there are so many more things possible under a Trump administration, some great, some abhorrent because its all down to how he ends up looking and whether he has to resort to X tactic to maintain his delusion of being the best at everything. https://youtu.be/Th67trdmNTY?t=237
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the guy's political strategy is straight out of Joseph Goebels' playbook, it's not surprising to see this.
Dumb angry white guys will eat it up because this let's them pretend their anti-immigration crusade is sparked by moral concern. But for those of us still in tune with reality, the crime rate among immigrants is much lower then the crime rate of US-born citizens.
thirddegreebirds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that the wording of the executive order doesn't even specify "undocumented immigrants," it just says "aliens." Are they intending to include legal immigrants too?
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens."
I can see this administration, with its lies and doublespeak, twisting the word "alien" to mean a lot of different things in the coming months.
wild_bill70 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have to counter this with a list of crimes perpetrated by white anglos. Maybe the forced relocation of native Americans at the top. It has to be a list many times longer and far more egregious than the immigrant list.
Oval_Office_Hitler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:27:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Orange Emperor is literally Hitler.
MrsMI1UCAN2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:47:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought this was a joke, now I'm just surprised he's not also including a list of crimes committed by muslims.
This is some very dark stuff.
deez_treez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we could just figure out a way to mark them in public so all the citizens would know how to recognize them...that might work. It should be something gold, because that's Trumps color. Maybe something that stands out too, like a star that they have to wear on their lapels. Yes, a big gold star. That'll do.
ethertrace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't like your guy constantly being compared do Hitler, maybe he should stop doing the same things Hitler did during his rise to power. Just a thought.
PM_Your_8008s ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:41:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you guys not understand the difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants? For fucks sake
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:46:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the article stated, "The order, however, doesnโt specify if this relates to just illegal immigrants, or all immigrants living in the US legally."
PM_Your_8008s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you followed the source back to it's origin you would know that's bullshit. It says aliens which is not immigrants, it's illegal immigrants
edit: and before you try to disprove what I said about aliens, here's the definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)
and here's straight up what the order says:
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:56:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, "alien" doesn't automatically mean "illegal immigrant." It has several meanings. Just saying "alien" legally leaves it open to all immigrants. They worded it that way on purpose.
PM_Your_8008s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao nice propaganda buddy, sorry you couldn't be bothered to open the link I shared and use your brain for once
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From your link: "definitions and terminology differ to some degree"
Aw hell, it even gives several different types of "aliens." Did you read that page?
PM_Your_8008s ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about reading the US section you dope, literally the first sentence:
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being a citizen or national doesn't mean someone is here illegally.
mygawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard of a visa? How about a green card?
kabukifresh ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and illegals in this country still have a lower rate of criminality than natural born citizens.
So lol.
PM_Your_8008s ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:04:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats? I didn't say anything relating to how many crimes they commit. I took offense to the stupidly misleading title. Nice straw man though
2legit2fart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He keeps Mein Kampf by his bed, or did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it wasn't mein kampf but it was a book of hitlers speeches I believe. Just as bad as mein kampf though.
Evil_ivan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's force them to wear a little yellow star as well while we are a it. Just, you know, to be able to distinguish them. What possibly could go wrong right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of a star can it be a taco?
tupac_chopra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so... there's no way this can be legal? if he even tries i don't see how this won't be tied up in the courts until there's adult holding office again.
MrFuzzynutz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? They're illegal aliens. It's illegal for them to be in the country and thus makes them criminals. Why is this so hard to understand people? and yet Trump is acting like the child?
Again, we are talking about illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be here. It is a crime to be in a country illegal anywhere you go. We are not talking about legal immigrants who are allowed to be here...It is perfectly legal to talk about the criminal acts of people who are in this country illegally...
fizzikz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So when people see this list every week and start associating all immigrants with this crime, and then maybe people start carrying out extrajudicial punishments on these immigrants, you will just say they deserve to be killed because they are here illegally and thus not people?
And then maybe we can just setup some camps to host all these undesirable cockroaches.
MrFuzzynutz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't object.
fizzikz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you fully embrace a fascist/genocidal ideology?
MrFuzzynutz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fascism is when corporate and government powers are merged and all businesses are nationalized under the government. That hasn't happened yet. So no it's not fascist... I love how people just throw that word around like they know what it means. The US is State-Capitalist.
I never said I embrace it. I just wouldn't object to anything the president decides or congress decides to do with the illegals. Legal immigrants have nothing to worry about. People won't associate all immigrants as illegal. And if they are legal, they can just show their documents or card that they're approved. That's it. You're creating a hypothetical that we can only speculate about and probably wouldn't happen like the way you're blowing it up to be.
fizzikz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is straight from the dictionary " an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocrac (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice."
I hate to do this but that's the exact same thing Hitler did to the jews.
He just made them illegal and made them show their cards (or statuses) and them put them in camps. And then when it got too expensive they decided on a "final solution", what would your "final solution" be to this immigration problem?
MrFuzzynutz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:57:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oi, I have to do this every time....yes your definition is correct but only covers one half the the description. By your definition alone fascism can be applied to any any government that has any minute amount of misplaced power. You could it apply it anywhere. But what makes fascism work is the merger of the other have of the definition. It takes the merger of both corporate power and government power in one, thereby nationalizing all production by the government under total control of economics and politics. Until that happens and everything is nationalized, we're not fascist. Sorry. And that's from the mouth of the very man who coined the term...Mussolini.
I don't have a solution to it. I'm simply indifferent to it. I don't care how he does it. As long as it works out for us. I wouldn't object to whatever we do to them or muslims. America for Americans only please. Just get them out.
tupac_chopra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
forgetting for a second how disgusting singling out human beings this way is...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Rad_Thibodeaux ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Normal people don't sit around comparing everything to Hitler.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what can we do about it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Contact your rep and tell them the Galactic Senate will not cower to the demands of Imperial bullys.
venomae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what is realistically needed to disband the US Senate?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna take forever for him to dictate a whole book.
TheAccursedOnes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny. This sub is still complete shit. Using a list of laws broken by immigrants to compare him to Hitler is so stupid. There are so many other things you could use against him, but this just makes me take the left less seriously.
cGt2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this information already publicly available via crime statistics published by the FBI and other law enforcement outlets?
87365836t5936 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is how you get yourself a nice all out race war.
Dvrrell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United Nazis of America huh? This makes me hate being in the Army.
Walker2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better publish a list of crimes committed by citizens right next to it.
socokid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could this not be seen as anything but a childish scare tactic?
I just don't get it...
Would continuously listing crime by members in other groups of people perform a service as well? Why not?
IMO, illegal immigrants would be less inclined to commit a crime as they would have more to lose. We already know immigrants commit less crime than your average American. Imagine one that is here illegally. I suspect they mostly try to stay under the radar...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm.
DeadLightMedia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess that means we're about to have gas chambers and concentration camps now. The ol Hitlery slope
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping Trump will be the greatest challenge and achievement of America's modern bi-partisan democracy. Hurdle this and we pass the test. How resilient are we to reject a populist dictator-wannabe?
PS, that fat and ugly face is befitting a clown
dose_response ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody is really getting carried away with the Hitler comparisons.
I mean - come on. He doesn't even have the little mustache.
wheresjim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thinskindler's List
CoolDude1564 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty good. I'm stealing it.
wheresjim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already did
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trumpelthinskin
bluejumpingdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are running to be like nazi Germany you are giving deliberated steps on parallel to Hitler
Maslover51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father has lived in this country 25+ years and never gotten so much as a speeding ticket. Can he publish this list as well? While he's at it one of American born people and their crimes?
oakstave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bet it's half as long as the list of crimes he committed.
HereticalSkeptic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The number and type of crimes committed by immigrants is only meaningful if compared to the the number and type of crimes committed by non-immigrants. If it can be proved that immigrants commit more and worse crimes than non-immigrants then this argument has merit.
But just listing a few of the worst immigrant crimes with no context will just create the impression with the unsophisticated consumer of this sort of propaganda that immigrants really are more criminal. And of course that is the whole point.
LarryDavidsBallsack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It cannot be proved. Immigrants in fact commit less crimes than native born citizens. They are on their best behaviour because they know their situation is flimsy and they don't want to attract police attention and be deported.
gloworm00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting theory, but where is the supporting evidence?
We have criminals committing rape and murder in the US after being deported repeatedly. It's easy enough to come back over, so threatening to deport them is not a deterrent.
Also, if they are willing to commit one crime, like immigrate illegally they are more likely to be open to committing other and more serious crimes.
LarryDavidsBallsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supporting evidence for what? You fucking sucker. Immigrants commit less crime. You fucking asshole. "If they are willing to commit one crime". These are people of HARDIER STOCK THAN YOU. These are real motherfucking people, who have balls and have faced hardship. You're just a fucking chump ass FAT american idiot who thinks the worlds owes him something because he was born in America. http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ this, this right here. This is why Trump got elected. By all means keep it up.
LarryDavidsBallsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:33 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut the fuck up. This is not why Trump got elected, he got elected because he addressed the globalization/China growth issue which is affecting all industrialized countries. He will lose the next election once everybody realizes he has no clue how to solve it.
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point. Any crimes committed by illegal immigrants are unacceptable; because they could have been easily avoided by simply enforcing immigration laws.
There should by 0 annual crimes committed by illegal immigrants; because there should be 0 illegal immigrants.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All other issues aside, there is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
gloworm00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:16:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see a problem with it either way, actually. Hell, publish a list of all the crimes in the community regardless of the nationality of the criminal. A little bit of public shame might serve as a deterrent.
My college used to do this. You got arrested or cited, on campus your name was in the school paper. Don't want the attention, don't draw the attention.
It's all a matter of public record and the ppl have a right to know what's happening in their city. Isn't this really the point of journalism; to report the facts and hold ppl accountable.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't what's happening.
That isn't what's happening.
That isn't what's happening. This has nothing to do with journalism, and Trump is no friend of the free press.
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does have to do with journalism. It's about ensuring the voting public has all the relevant information available to them.
Trump is no friend of the MSM, he is significantly friendlier to the free press than Obama, Clinton (either of them),or Bush (any of them).
There is a huge difference between a free press and our current MSM circus. That's the first thing you need to understand.
xoogl3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well any crimes committed by any non-native Americans were perfectly avoidable if Europeans had not invaded and massac... oh...
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood this logic; let's think about this for a second.
1) really terrible shit happened in the past that couldn't have been prevented and cannot be changed
2) really terrible shit happens now that we can prevent
3) but we're not going to act to prevent really terrible shit from happening in the future; because really terrible shit happened in the past.
How does this make sense to you? How do the mistakes of the past justify crimes in the future? This makes no sense, to any rational mind.
xoogl3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not happening. Terrible shit is not happening because of immigrants. The myth that immigrants (which obviously means non-white because Trump certainly doesn't have a problem with marrying the white ones, multiple times) are a cesspool of crime is just familiar scapegoating tactic used by every authoritarian dictator in the history of the world. Immigrants (documented or undocumented) have always been net positive to the American economy and society.
If you're genuinely interested in the topic and not just suffering from xenophobia, you can compare the economies and general prosperity, crime-rate, health indices (just pick any social development measure) of states with most number of immigrants against those with the least. I'll give you a hint, states like CA/NY/NJ/FL are on the top of the immigrant list while states like Alabama/Mississippi etc. are at the bottom.
gloworm00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, really that's your argument? Immigrants never commit crimes? You're going with that? That's your story and you're sticking to it?
"There's nothing to see here folks, it's all a vast right-wing conspiracy. No, wait, don't look behind that curtain!!"
If that's true than Trump's list of criminals will only prove you right and make Trump look paranoid and foolish. So you have no problems friend, relax.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just willfully stupid. Nobody's claiming immigrants don't commit crimes. But what's clear from data Is that (new) immigrants commit less crimes per capita than second or later generation immigrants (which covers vast majority of Americans). Publishing a list of "criminals" of any category is nothing but an age old tactic to demonize that group straight out of the Fascist playbook. And all of you who are cheering him on are going to have to answer to judgement of history the same way those who cheered on our past sins as a society like slavery, jim crow laws, Japanese internments etc.
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you admit that immigrants commit crimes than you've already lost the argument, try and keep up. Maybe read the entire exchange from the top.
Publishing a list of criminals is not "straight out of the fascist playbook". It used to be common practice in this country. There was a time once when all newspaper published a list of local crimes and criminals. It was called journalism.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're trying very hard to steer the conversation from the despicable act of targeting a vulnerable minority into simple "law and order" discussion but that only works with rubes who have no sense of history.
All sufficiently large groups of people will have some who commit crimes. There's no need or reason for me to "admit" it. OK I'll also freely admit to the facts if phases of the Moon and sun rising in the East.
You're willfully and despicably conflating the practice of reporting on all crimes with the fascistic tactic of targeting a single groupp of people and making then targets of racist violence and hatred. The original article is calling attention to the exact same practice carried out by the Nazis against the Jews. History will judge this despotic clown and his supporters (like you) the same way.
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is calling for racist violence or hatred on anyone. That is a lie and you are a liar.
There is no correlation between this and fascism, that is a lie and you are a liar.
History has already judged you and your movement and you've lost.
OUT! OUT! OUT!
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Keep chanting that. I know your need to think of yourself as good person mandates that you willfully ignore history call others liars when they point what's going on. But people like me are here to keep reminding you that no matter how hard you stick your fingers in your ears and chant "naaanananana... I can't hear you", your complicity in these crimes will not be forgotten.
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, fine show me where Trump has called for hateful attacks in immigrants?
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please... Have you forgotten that how he started his campaign?
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No literally show me where he calls for violence and death?
Because your side is literally, and when I say literally I mean it, calling for the murder of whites.
http://yournewswire.com/black-lives-matter-activists-call-for-hanging-of-white-people/
http://www.storyleak.com/dhs-official-gun-and-ammo-purchasing-white-deaths-race-war/
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/08/farrakhans-call-to-kill-white-cops-is-it-legal/
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/28/black-activists-called-for-lynching-and-hanging-of-white-people-and-cops/
This is just the tip of the iceberg, and you want to deflect attention from a literal genocidal campaign; by accusing your political opponents of planning to do what you're already doing?!???!!!
BTFO!!!!
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you're growing more and more agitated. And I don't wonder why. I'm noticing all the links you've posted are to white supremacist websites who've been predicting white genocide, "take away our guns" etc. all through Obama's presidency and despite the fact that none of that happened, and now an openly racist clown, literally endorsed by the KKK and neo-nazis is the President, you're still convinced that your entire race is under attack. I believe the technical term for this condition is paranoid delusion. Trump's temperament is an exact fit for the likes of you and I'm happy for you that you have found each other.
Of course you can go on pretending that Trump calling Mexican immigrants "rapists and criminals" right at the start of his campaign was not a hateful attack on immigrants. I don't know why you need to pretend? Does it matter so much to you that strangers on the internet believe you to be a good person when you're so clearly on the side of racists and fascists?
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:28 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think everything is a white supremacist site, fuck you.
Hillary was supported by the KKK so are all democratic candidates.
Obama tried on many occasions to take the guns and every fear the conservatives had regarding him proved true.
Just because all of his policies failed doesn't mean he didn't try. It means he's a failure.
I don't give a fuck what you think. You're human scum.
How can you claim anything is clear when you've given no evidence what so ever.
I really don't care about you at all. You're losing; you've lost. You're falling, your whole movement is falling onto the garbage heap of history. Everything you do from this point is the pathetic, final death throws of the defeated.
All you can do now is scream, "racist, racist, buuuuuttttt iiiiittttt'sssss rrrraasciiiisssttttt." As you go down.
Well that's fine, do that if it makes you feel better.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:35 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude. You totally sound like a winner.
Just like Trump, your repeated assertions about winning are only making it more obvious that the fact that Trump lost the vote is painful to you guys. I'm detecting severe mental disturbance from your rantings and ravings here. Hope you seek some help before people around you get hurt.
gloworm00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.inquisitr.com/1689802/call-for-rape-and-burning-of-white-women-posted-in-panola-county-day-before-jessica-chambers-death/
http://www.killallthewhiteman.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/11/kill-all-white-cops-4-detroit-men-arrested-for-alleged-threats-against-police.html
http://patch.com/maryland/silverspring/kill-all-whites-written-school-restroom-police
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/23/valdosta-state-student-who-stomped-us-flag-wants-to-kill-all-white-people/
I could post examples all day of your side calling for mayhem and genocide. I ask you for one example of such rhetoric from my side and you've got squat.
Diddly-squat! So who's the fucking fascist? Who. Is. The. Fascist.
YOU ARE.
You are not the good guys.
You are the side of the racists; you are the side of the rapists; you are on the side of the the murders.
Rollakud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does one counter the argument "He's not racist he just wants to uphold the law."
Also I think Trump is really doing this all on purpose to unite the people against him because he doesn't want to be President for long. He either wants to be impeached or he's going to do a bunch of horrible things so that in 2020 he loses by a huge landslide.
mexicoeslaonda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I firmly believe Trump is going to push for the deportation of legal and illegal immigrants from Mexico. When he said he wanted to make America great again what he meant was to turn back the clock on the country's demographics.
Sparowes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know how Trump projects and always accuses other people of things he is actually guilty of? And remember how he compared the CIA to Nazis on Twitter?
... yeah, this sadly isn't surprising.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:09:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell would you need this? With all the other ridiculous ideas there's usually a seemingly sensible premise behind it even if the logic is flawed or facts don't agree. Building a wall? Stops illegal immigration. There's a thousand problems with this idea but okay, I get where you're coming from. Banning Muslims? Prevents terrorism. Again, problems, but I understand the fundamental premise and how you could believe in it. Publishing ONLY the crimes committed by immigrants? .... Making people hate immigrants and flaring up tensions? What the fuck else can you be going for? What other explanation is there? Why is this a thing?
Ignatius_G_Reilly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler liked dogs. Hitler did the same
DragonXV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A book of Hitler's speeches is one of the few books Trump has ever read, according to an ex wife.
aeiou69 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:49:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump drinks water. Hitler did the same.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:26:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aeiou69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you provide any evidence of him vilifying legal immigrants? It's easy to mislead and agitate people when legal and illegal immigrants are conflated into one group.
seve_rage ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:47:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Everyone I don't like is Hitler!"
thereasonableman_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:58:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Trump and Hitler actually do have a lot of similarities in terms of style of leadership.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:28:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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seve_rage ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:35:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, way to prejudge me. I didn't discuss my political beliefs at all. I voted for Gary Johnson. I'm about as anti-Government intrusion as possible, which is decidedly non-fascist.
I was simply commenting on how both sides eventually get to the point of saying their opponents are like Hitler. And here in the US, it's always a massive exaggeration.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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seve_rage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not. Hitler wrote about how poisoning thousands of Jews would be justifiable in Mein Kampf. Trump wrote Art of the Deal. Trump has been democratically elected into an office well-known for stringent checks and balances. Hitler wasn't.
Just because someone wants people to immigrate to the US legally doesn't make them a fascist (which has also completely lost it's intended severity thanks to the left) or a white nationalist.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:54:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:38:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you point to some of Trump's quotes where he vilifies "immigrants", not just "illegal immigrants", just "immigrants"?
Furthermore, give me a statement where he vilifies a standard illegal immigrant with no criminal record.
As for non-Christians, I don't recall Christianity coming into play in this election - in fact, Trump was routinely mocked because he didn't have "Christian-cred", he couldn't recite a Bible quote properly. Can you point to him vilifying "non-Christians"?
If you mean solely "Muslims", can you point to where he vilified Muslims - rather than just advocated for suspension of immigration from terror-prone countries?
Can you give me a statement where he vilifies "non-whites", or even brings up the question of "race"?
Can you give me a statement where he's vilified black people, or Hispanics?
I'm interested to know.
subnu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can't. But they can link you to 1000 mainstream media articles stating as such.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the prime issues - a lot of these kinds of articles lead with an inflammatory headline, and the people do the rest.
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TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want you to give me a few quotes, pretend I've never heard of Trump in my life - what would you show me that provides proof he's x, y & z?
You can't assert that he is x, or he has done x, but without providing evidence I'm trusting your word alone - hearsay.
YourLocalMonarchist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Not everyone i dont like is hitler"
Proceeds to call him a fascist sympathizer
Way to go.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good to see /r/politics keep upvoting constructive criticism of our new President.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:29:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HillDogsPhlegmBalls ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:49:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking christ.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:31:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The left sent out thousands of violent people in to the street to loot, riot and harm people who hold a different political view. Hitler did the same.
shittingjacket ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The party (if I've misinterpreted, please define "left" for me) that couldn't get their shit together enough to defeat Trump in the General, suddenly has the wherewithal to send
This is conspiracy theory of the highest order.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that party. The one Soros runs :) The Soros who funds 90 different groups that caused trouble on inauguration day.
Oops, shit. Sorry, CNN hasn't told you to think that yet. You must be very confused right now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:30:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh really?
I see this a lot. You say something to be true, but they always stop at that. Never say how.
Huh. Funny that.
Keep up the great work.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And there it is.
Two posts for the insult to come.
You're so smart. I can't possibly compete with your grand intelligence.
I concede everything. You should spread your message far and wide. Keep doing what you're doing :)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. No source whatsoever.
Totally didn't happen. No one saw anything. All a fantasy.
Have a nice day. Fight the power.
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archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are ridiculously easy to trigger. They are more sensitive than the most sensitive SJW. I guess that's why they're attracted to men that project strength, because they are so weak themselves.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Totally triggered.
You should screenshot this and put it on facebook. Everyone should see how hard I got owned.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAAAAAAA!!!!
Yes. That's totally true. You should definitely inform people of that narrative. Please. Please put such wisdom on Facebook and Twitter. The world needs to see this great, totally true comment.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why you think I disagree with that.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Absolutely.
Please keep insulting them. Please keep calling them racists and bigots and misogynists. Please keep dismissing the concerns they have.
I am NOT being sarcastic. I am NOT trolling.
Please, please carry on doing exactly what you're doing.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to explain yourself to me matey.
I just told you. I encourage this all the way.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. That's a good one. Definitely put that one on Twitter. It feels a shame to waste it buried so far down in these comments.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but if I'm your test dummy then what are you testing for?
That one wasn't as good. Relies on a lot of people not knowing how job markets work. And whilst the left are dumb, I'm not sure they're that dumb. (It would be unfair to sample the many, many, many, many,many,many, many, many, many, many, many, many individual examples to reflect the group wouldn't it?)
2/10, use only in emergencies.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My responses are that you should continue doing exactly what you're doing.
You won't find me arguing with you.
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Baelzabub ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:00:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry what? 217 people were arrested for violently protesting. I'll go ahead and quote the article for you.
"Thousands of nonviolent protestors" being the operative phrase here.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the heroes that covered their faces (Proud of their principles. Total heroes) and ran away when they heard sirens.
Oh and you're using arrests made on the day. More have been made since which, funnily enough, proves the point in my first paragraph.
Baelzabub ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:09:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's give your first sentence credence and say there were 2,000 violent protestors in the country. Compare that to the estimated 3 million participants and notice that your argument holds very little water. You are using less than one percent of a population to determine the intention of the whole. But then I guess Trump supporters are used to the minority being the deciding factor....
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You nearly got me there. I almost got in to this with you.
You're right. They were all totally reasonable, non violent and not hateful at all. All those lovely signs (The ones with dead babies was a personal favourite) and chants filled with love and acceptance.
Please continue to publicly and loudly voice your opinion. You're doing a great job.
Baelzabub ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:19:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Trump supporters. Yes, there were some bad eggs in the Trump rallies, but for the most part they were people there to see their candidate and spout the company line.
I will. I will also continue to call my congressmen on a weekly basis. It's the only way for my voice to be heard over the next 2 years. Trying to sarcastically shame me for voicing my beliefs will not work because I'm proud of them. I'm proud to be a rational person who is able to see the terrifying trend that Donald Trump has set. I'm proud that I am a part of the majority and not the minority when I see this.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand. I'm not being sarcastic. I want you to keep doing what you're doing. I'm not shaming you. Please carry on.
Approval rating 57%. Don't mistake ''majority'' with ''hugbox'' and 'echo-chamber''.
I bet if challenged you can't come up with ONE thing that stands up to just two questions worth of scrutiny.
But I'm not gonna take that challenge further. As I say, please keep doing what you're doing.
Baelzabub ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:30:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry what now?
How about a list?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lowest of all the polls. Of course The Hill would use that one and not the many others that say it's higher. Been as high as 59% I went conservative with 57.
Yep. Great list. Agree with it all. You should share it with everyone you know. (and hope like hell they don't look past the article for any further info).
Actually, thanks for the list. I am also going to share it.
archiesteel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you picked the highest one, from a pollster with a known Republican leaning.
Even Trump knows that he's staggeringly unpopular, and has been throwing fits of rage about this.
You guys bet on the wrong horse. Better start thinking about what you're going to do to make things right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like you did with your poll being a dem leaning one?
No, no. Give me a sec'.
Yeah. Your poll was totally right and mine was totally wrong. You should keep pushing your superior views loud and proud. The hear say of the internet making up your arguments is great. Highly educational. People must see it. If only I had the intelligent superiority to take my news from an unverified twitter account. Your self awareness is inspirational.
Have a great day :)
archiesteel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're trolling, which goes against the subreddit's rule.
Why not do something constructive with your time, instead of this immature BS?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's where you're wrong.
I'm not trolling.
I want you people to carry on doing exactly what you're doing. Loud and proud.
I am encouraging you with all my backing. Why don't you accept my support?
archiesteel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please stop lying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not getting this at all.
I'm not lying.
PLEASE carry on behaving how you behave.
archiesteel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are lying, because your claims contradict other comments in your posting history. You're either lying now, or you were lying then. QED
We're done here.
v3ntti_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wants you to seriously keep it going. Hopefully for the next 8 years. He's not trolling. Why? Because watching the left have mental breakdowns 3 times a day, over things the TV told them is downright hilarious and has made this wild ride that much better.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sockpuppet? Or just another clueless T_D drone?
v3ntti_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither. I'm a Russian Kremlin agent that's being paid to upvote and shitpost.
archiesteel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not very good at this. Perhaps you should stay in your safe space?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I'm awful at this.
Got nothing on you guys. You keep going. Great job, seriously.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see you're acknowledging the truth.
So, you're going to delete your account, then?
Seriously, your attempt at ridicule can't hide the fact that you've got zero arguments.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:18:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I should delete my account.
You should screenshot this and show facebook and twitter how hard you totally owned me.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I do this? I'm not an immature troll.
Again, your attempts at ridicule aren't very convincing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not ridiculing.
I support your views and behaviour wholeheartedly.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you don't. You only pretend to because you know you can't actually win a rational discussion.
It only takes a few minutes to look at your posting history and see that you're lying. Please don't take me for an idiot.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you reject my support of you voicing your views?
Strange.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's not genuine, as can easily be seen by looking at your posting history.
You're a troll, and have been reported as such. We're done here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is supporting you voicing your views even if I don't support the view trolling?
I'm waiting for this moment of self awareness from you.......But it doesn't seem to be forthcoming.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fascinating, tell me more.
el_capitan_obvio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:19:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, gee...it was only 217 people arrested for violence. No big deal, right?
Baelzabub ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to 3 million protestors? Actually better statistics than most days in the US.
SmellyPeen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well.... technically Hitler didn't order it, the people did it on their own, while the police turned a blind eye. Then Hitler publicly condemned it...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just described down to the last detail what the Dems just did.
SmellyPeen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scary, huh? And then they deflect criticism with cries of "bigot" and "Nazi".
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, but those words don't mean anything anymore. Call me a nazi all day long. Don't care.
pm_favorite_song_2me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel free to source the "looting, rioting, and harming," last I checked the largest protest in US history, a liberal one, resulted in zero arrests.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. A man wasn't attacked putting out fires the protesters set. A girl didn't get her hair set on fire. A female reporter didn't get punched in the face. People weren't late for work because protesters barred them from getting there by human chaining the sidewalks. There weren't over 250 arrests on the day and more afterwards.
But yeah. This guy needs a source. Christ almighty.
You should definitely keep spreading your message. Please be vocal....We rely on it. You won't find me arguing with you. Please keep up this behaviour.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Trump supporter certainly didn't kill two cops. No one has ever been beaten or hurt by Trump supporters. These people don't exist.
That's a very small number given the size of the protests. It sounds as if you're trying to exaggerate the violence in order to push a particular narrative.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
The peaceful ones. Swearing, name calling, holding banners of full term dead babies.
You're right. I tried to push a violence narrative.
Didn't really need to did I.
Beacons of society. Top quality people. Just lovely. And I hope they do it again. And again and again and again.
Please. Do it more.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but that's what pro-Life protesters hold.
Again, you're wrong to think this hurts my side, and benefits yours. That tactic of yours is based on a false premise.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:27:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know. Not seen the mocking ones by the left? Passed you by? They were at the march....I mean, you have the internet. Presumably it';s the same internet as everyone else, no?
You keep saying tactic. I don't know how many times I have to say that the only tactic I have is to keep encouraging your behaviour.
There is no hidden agenda here. Please. Carry on.
You're right. It doesn't in the slightest hurt your ''side''. Which is why you should continue on, loud and proud.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does it matter to you what I think? How do my thoughts have any bearing on your behaviour?
Great. Fine. Keep going then. What's the problem here?
I'm lying? So it does hurt your side? That's what me lying would suggest. I said it doesn't hurt you. The only logic here is that you think it does hurt you if you think I'm lying.
You need to get your own thoughts in order before you try and analyse mine.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we're having a conversation, one you are desperately trying to steer your way (but can't, because you are too obvious about the whole thing).
They don't, and that's not what we're talking about. Don't change the subject.
The problem is you continuing to think providing counter-arguments to your BS somehow helps you.
Non sequitur. You are lying about agreeing with me. You don't agree with me, and do believe it "hurts my side," which is why you're egging me on to continue.
The alternative would be that you actually want to weaken your own position, which makes no sense.
No, it means I don't think you believe it's not hurting my position. That's what you are lying about. I know logic is hard, but try to pay attention.
My thoughts are fine, and you're not smart enough to rebut me by presenting fallacious arguments disguised as logical ones, sorry.
Since there's clearly no way to have an honest conversation with you, I'm just going to end this here. Have a nice day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look. You're getting delusional. I haven't steered anywhere. I've said the same thing every comment. Keep....Doing....what....you're.....doing.
Thats EXACTLY what you're talking about. OK, we've reached this point of leftist discussion. Let's just say stuff. Random stuff.
No, you see, if you look back you'll see I conceded that by saying ''Yes I am. I honestly want you leftists to carry on like this exactly. Just because you don't like the reasons why doesn't mean i'm not being honest when I say it.''
If you're not gonna pay attention then what's the point in this? Was that just a blip in your superior intellect?
I have no argument. I said keep going. And I still say keep going.
The mental gymnastics you just went through is tragic.
I'm happy you disagree with me. It means you'll do exactly what I have asked of you.
Cheers :)
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, didn't read any of that. As I said, we're done.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You certainly have been.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, not interested.
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Birthrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So because a couple thousand of the over 2 millions protester were violent that invalidates the vast majority of actual decent protesters? Also many far right outlets like Lauren southern were seriously reporting that a group of Anarchists were actually leftist protesters. https://youtu.be/vkA876B6TFY
anchoar204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did this happen? Do we live in the same country? There were like 100 arrests and barely any looting after 3 million plus people protested trump. Sorry if free speech = looting to you.
The biggest protest in American history was remarkably peaceful. But if you're sensitive ass is triggered by a few people out of a million "rioting", (again what alternative facts are you ever referring too) then let's not even talk about the 10% or Trumps support that is out and out racist. Or how actual KKK, snd neo-nazi's love him and supported him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it.
And theburning teenagers hair. And the assaulting citizens trying to put out fires.
Top class people.
In case you're not aware of my stance yet.....Please, carry on with your narrative. Spread it on facebook. Spread it on twitter. Shout it loud.
Fight the power!
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TreningDre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't tell anyone but I hear that they both are big supporters of dihydrogen oxide. Literally the fuel for murderers.
thereasonableman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do all white males present themselves as the nation's sole hope to make the country great again. Oh and the way to make the country great again centers on blaming ethnic/religious groups and outsiders.
Trump's key issues: Immigration, Trade, ISIS. Immigration and ISIS are so far down on the list of problems facing this country it's insane. And his scapegoating of NAFTA is insane and rejected by every even moderately respected economist.
Let's also not forget about the widespread conspiracy theories and us vs them mentality he promotes. The election is rigged, millions of illegals are voting, all of our intelligence agencies are wrong or conspiring against me, Obama was born in Kenya, the media is out to get me, Hillary had a DNC staffer assassinated etc etc.
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thereasonableman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama did not double the national debt, he inherited negative gdp growth, two wars, and a deficit. You could replace Obama with any President and either the debt wouldn't look meaningfully better, or the economy would look meaningfully worse.
Saying that the debt increasing is Obama's fault is to seriously confuse correlation and causation. I'm pretty sure a balanced budget would have plunged us into a 1930's level depression. Imagine how many government workers alone would have to be laid off. Now imagine all the layoffs from everything the government funds in private enterprise. Schools, academic research, military etc.
BrittainTheCommie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:42:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White Nationalist bullshit.
Just call it what it is.
duckandcover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His fuckface idiot base will eat this up. He really has brought out America's inner asshole. The US is now just one big prolapsed rectum.
cmal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, well when the rest of the population can't be fucked to stand up to it when it matters it is hard to improve the view.
SqueegeeMe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I know a lot of people are upset but we need to remember that weโre all comrades here. Mr. Trump will endeavor to bring ะฒะผะตััะต all Americans under one beautiful ะบัะฐัะฝัะน flag and together we will use our ะฒะพะตะฝะฝัะน force to strike down all those who ะฒััััะฟะฐัั ะฟัะพัะธะฒ ัะฐะฒะฝัั ะฟัะฐะฒ. After all, ััะพ ะฝะต ัะฐะบ, ะบะฐะบ ะผั ะะธะฒั movie Wolverines or anything like that. ะะพะถะฐะปัะนััะฐ, ะธะผะตะนัะต ะฒ ะฒะธะดั, ะพะฝ ะฑัะป ะธะทะฑัะฐะฝ ัะฟัะฐะฒะตะดะปะธะฒัะผ ะธ ะบะฒะฐะดัะฐั, ะบะพัะพััะน ะดะพะบะฐะทัะฒะฐะตั, ััะพ ะพะฝ ัะฒะปัะตััั ะปัััะธะผ ะบะฐะฝะดะธะดะฐัะพะผ, ะฟะพะฑะตะดะธะฒัะธะผ ะบะฐะฝะดะธะดะฐัะพะผ, ัะพ Pozhaluysta, imeyte v vidu, on byl izbran spravedlivym i kvadrat, kotoryy dokazyvayet, chto on yavlyayetsya luchshim kandidatom, pobedivshim kandidatom, to Manchurian candidate. ะะฐัั ะ ะพััะธั ะฑัะดะตั ะณะพัะดะธัััั!
Hereโs to 4 years comrades!
LearnToDrown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a reminder, internment of Japanese citizens was done via Executive Order.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait to get forced into a death camp via executive order.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why everyone is acting so surprised. Trump literally slept with a copy of Mein Kampf on his bedside table for years.
Trump admires and wants to emulate Hitler. His entire strategy has been nothing more than copying the fascist playbook.
Now we have the unlucky task of trying to stop Hitler's playbook before the US ends up as the bad guys of World War 3. The good news is that Trump is incredibly unpopular and the liberal resistance is getting more organized and efficient.
The bad news is that Trump is president and the Republicans control Congress and many state legislatures, and they are all dictatorial corrupt tyrants who will piss on the Constitution every day so long as they can keep their seats.
DeadBabyDick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:53:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*illegal immigrants. Big difference.
tomato_water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There wasn't a reference to only illegal immigrants - it was 'aliens', which refers to all immigrants, right?
DeadBabyDick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:03 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said I was referencing the article?
NewComputerNewMe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:06:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAE Drumf is Hitler?????
Kaiosama ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:38:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's actually more of a third world dictator at this point.
morganvictoriaa ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:42:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please defend this policy.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:16:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Militant_Homofascist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:50:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile actual Nazis like Richard Spencer are gathering huge followings to advocate for "peaceful ethnic cleansing."
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realise that even the vast majority of Trump supporters, liberals, people, etc. condemn Spencer's views, right?
You could find the most outrageous Trump supporter, who is in line with everything Trump says, and they wouldn't get near Spencer with a ten-foot pole. They'll advocate for his right to free speech, but no more.
This sub-reddit hates Milo Yiannopolous with a burning passion, but even Milo hates Spencer.
My thoughts on it, let him talk - let other people talk to him, we've got the higher ground. If you can't defend your arguments against ethnic cleansing vs. someone who is for it - what the fuck are you doing? That's all I have to say.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely do not let Nazis talk. What the fuck? And Milo's not any better.
NewComputerNewMe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a textbook fascist. Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:01:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, if you can't dismantle the arguments a Nazi has for ethnic cleansing - what are you doing?
Can you legitimately not come up with an argument against ethnic cleansing if you were to debate Spencer?
Do you believe that his position is so solid that you must censor him?
Furthermore, do you believe that by letting him talk, that it will extend his influence? The vast majority of people are moral people, they're not going to be convinced to believe that ethnic cleansing is right.
On top of that, I'm sure you've heard racist, sexist, etc. views expressed - if you believe that these views have strong influence, why are you not racist, sexist, etc.? Could it be because your moral convictions are more powerful than the immoral words of someone else?
Militant_Homofascist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazi don't deal with facts. You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not telling you to reason them out of the position - I'm saying, can you defend your arguments, can you defend your principles?
It's not about what the other person is saying, can you put your thoughts out there using x, y & z to say why ethnic cleansing is bad - and if the answer to that question is yes, great.
If you have confidence in your arguments, you should have confidence to speak with people who hold opposing views - taking ethnic cleansing out of the equation, are you able to defend your standard principles? If someone questioned you on education, economics, etc. would you be able to give arguments for why you think your views are solid?
This is all I'm trying to highlight in this conversation - censoring people, shutting people down, it displays to your opponent that you don't have an argument to use. It displays to me that you can't defend against a morally reprehensible view like ethnic cleansing - and I'm sure you can, if you wanted to!
SVTBert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:06:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the whole "rightwing nazi" thing comes from /pol/ trolling the mainstream media, it's not an actual thing, the "alt-right" movement is literally just people trolling and being purposefully offensive on 4chan.
/r/fellowkidsThe MSM decided to run with the "white supremacist" angle, partly by declaring Pepe a white supremacist mascot when it's actually just a 10 year old 4chan meme, and partly by propping up controlled opposition like Richard Spencer who claims to speak for this group that literally does not exist. When they talk about Pepe being white supremacist, they're talking about the posts on /pol/. When they talk about the Alt-right, they're talking about the posts on /pol/.And then you have this dude Spencer acting like he speaks on behalf of the sarcastic trolls on 4chan and is their "leader".
This is why it's so hilarious to us.
DeathBattleFan123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:11:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't need defending.
80s_Teen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not Hitler - "Twitler".
Gggggooo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hitler did the same."
You people are a living meme.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:32:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants. Aliens. In sanctuary jurisdictions. Which are in conflict with federal law. You fucking people are sickening.
A_Change_of_Seasons ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:03:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just illegals, all immigrants. Please read the article before commenting
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont need to read the article. You can read exactly what President Trump wrote...
Alien - relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government
Sanctuary Jurisdictions - In the United States and Canada, aย sanctuaryย city is a city that has adopted a policy of protecting illegal immigrants by not prosecuting them for violating federal immigration laws in the country in which they are now living illegally.
Sorry for presenting alternative facts. Don't worry Ill be down voted and drowned out and the circle jerk will continue.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:06:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't alien include all legal aliens as well? I.e. tourists, guest workers, legal permanent residents and student visa resident aliens. Per the Legal) definition of the word.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can read all about the detailed legal definitions defined by 8 U.S. Code ยง 1101.
I'd say the legal definitions are a little more complicated than Wikipedia lets on. Either way in context with sanctuary jurisdictions I think its pretty obvious how this is legally defined. If he was targeting legal aliens why would he even mention sanctuary jurisdictions. This is much more about getting rid of sanctuary jurisdictions than it is about tracking legal or illegal alien crimes.
As you can see from the last line he clearly outlines aliens who are illegal and therefore threatened to be detained by the federal government. Im done though, think what you all want, I am sure the truth will be known soon.
daner92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does sanctuary jurisdiction mean? How about detainer? How do those two terms apply to this statement? Context is important.
daner92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone doesn't know what a resident alien is...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does sanctuary jurisdiction mean? How about detainer? How do those two terms apply to this statement? Context is important.
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
Ice_Cream_Hero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the problem is that people are reading the article and assuming they're properly informed.
In fact, the article doesn't even corroborate what you're saying. It's playing dumb saying 'technically he isn't excluding legal immigrants' to get people agitated. They're speculating on him using this to go after legal immigrants when there's no indication he would.
Trump's rhetoric towards immigrants has always been regarding illegal immigrants, with an emphasis on violent and drug related crimes. If that follows with how this is handled you won't have to worry about the legal immigrants.
No one's in a good position to address your opponents if you misconstrue what they're saying, and nothing's been more frustrating the last 18 months than seeing people conflate his comments on illegal immigrants with legal ones. It's always been about illegal immigrants and I'm not sure why people think it's been otherwise. If you're armed with the wrong information you can't properly address the conversation.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused about what you're talking about. The post above you states:
That's from the executive order. Where he doesn't specify illegal aliens or legal aliens, and per this) i'm assuming it includes, legal aliens who are "tourists, guest workers, legal permanent residents and student visa resident aliens". Or anyone on a visa that's not a green card holder I imagine. So a work visa?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does sanctuary jurisdiction mean? How about detainer? How do those two terms apply to this statement? Context is important.
"To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.โ
Ice_Cream_Hero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Admittedly due to the ambiguous legal definition of just 'alien' some additional context would be preferred, but when I see 'alien' I assume 'non-citizen'.
But my point was that for all the things people like to make of Trump for, he's been pretty clear over the last 18 months that when he's talking about the consequences of immigrants that he's referring to illegal immigrants.
I don't see why we need to share such a bizarre, assuming article with a rather trash headline for clicks when Trump's comments to date are not ambiguous at all.
Maybe it's just semantics and falls under the same unfortunate ambiguity in this but legally being in America (e.g. work visa; here for work or business with no current intent on being an American citizen or assimilate into our society) doesn't seem the same as being a legal immigrant (Came to America from elswhere with intent to become or is now a US citizen).
I didn't vote for him and don't like him, but I like to give him the benefit of the doubt where it's owed. This isn't some issue he's casually passed off here or there or brought up just the last few months. 'Be harsher on illegal immigration' was a core part of his campaign.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outside of inferring the terms meaning. Alien can be residents who are here working and have applied for residential green card which can take years. People saw "alien" and inferred it meant all immigrants. I haven't seen much proof that that word isn't what it specifically says and I don't know if those who read the document and enact it also take context into account before taking action in a way they understand it. I figured they would do the literal word of what is written. Maybe a lawyer can help me understand how this would actually be legally followed.
As an immigrant who's now a naturalized citizen, I don't want people to associate immigrants with being felons. Itll be harder on my parents who still retain their accents.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is the problem and has been for almost 2 years now. People trust the liberal media far too much to read what Trump wrote or said for themselves. You should check out No Agenda its a podcast I think you would dig it.
Hooper-Blooper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:41:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Trump is going to publish a document of crimes committed by people who are legal citizens. Right.
Do you not realize how much you've plugged your own ears? You know he doesn't mean immigrants in general, but you want it to mean that so you can feel validated in calling him Hitler.
Jesus Christ you guys you don't have to like him but he's not remotely close to Hitler.
Tmazza21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:32:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only says it doesn't specify it does NOT say all immigrants. Don't be mislead by this person's comment. This is specifically targeted at sanctuary cities and is clearly for illegal immigrants only.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:52:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch out that I don't sneeze on you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clever.
DangHunk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:58:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike you.
ALL criminals should be named then right?
Ass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
Syliase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, immigration laws of the state trump federal. Also, illegal immigrants are not nearly as rampant a problem as xenophobes like yourselves keep spouting it out to be.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So then what's the problem? No crime will be reported in these sanctuary jurisdictions!
Syliase ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that this promotes xenophobia and racial profiling. The problem is that you are excluding crimes committed by other (specifically, people like yourselves) demographic groups on the extremely biased and racist belief that immigrants are somehow 'worse'.
You do not get to mock the issue here because you refuse to acknowledge the bigotry in your beliefs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so Mexican is a race?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Syliase ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I know what 'xenophobic' means because I have been a victim of it, as a brown person who is frequently racially profiled as a Latinx. So, yes, the more y'all keep spreading lies and hate about brown people, the more brown people will be feared.
That said, sure, the federal government's responsibilities with immigration policy are generally seen as more 'potent' under the supremacy clause, but local and state governments can and will continue to resist because the singling out of a single demographic on the basis of racialized profiling is un-American. It is absolutely xenophobic to be afraid of immigrants--it is absolutely racist because you are singling out a single demographic on the basis of their race while ignoring all other problems and dumping unwarranted blame upon them. Let's face it, you're singling out Latinx people because you're afraid of them due to your own illiterate bigotry.
Alex15can ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol immigration is an enumerated right of the federal government by the constitution.
You haven't even read a 5 page document. Please stop.
Syliase ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Constitution is an outdated piece of paper that needs to be updated because it was written by rich white dudes who are no longer alive.
Please stop letting the dead rule over us from the grave.
Alex15can ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we are talking about the same document
The constitution has been borrowed from by every major democratic society on the planet.
Clearly it has merit. The fact you can't see it.. well just goes to show you share more in common with the Cuba and Venezuela of the world than western society.
You should probably move to one of those nations.
Syliase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that moment when someone runs out of arguments so they try to twist history. Pretty sure that the Consitution was written in 1787 which, John, do you even know how to google?
Also, Rick, every "major democratic society on the planet" at the time...were all oligarchical monarchies? If we're talking about 1787 of course, but you know, maybe we're not talking about the same Constitution.
And aww, look, Bobbie can't make good arguments so he resorts to racism! Tsk, how typical.
Alex15can ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name a state constitution today that didn't sample from the US constitution.
I think you just didn't get my point.
Which is kinda funny.
PronixFate ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
great article here on /r/politics lol
i look forward to 8 years
DangHunk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:54:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So ANYTHING to comment on the article, or should we just downvote your idiotic, off topic comment?
You're moronic plan of attacking everything you don't agree with ISN'T WORKING.
OfficialGloryHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony in that comment.
YourLocalMonarchist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
looks like they're taking the "orange hitler" meme to heart
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:33:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They had so many Saudi funds left over they decided to campaign for Trump.
I love the attitude of this sub. Wins more votes for Trump than Trump could ever hope to win through campaigning.
A lot of people voted for him simply to tell people like this lot to shut the fuck up. They didn't vote for Trump, they voted against the mentally ill left.
Cheers politics. You did your part ;)
Starlord1729 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:05:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're telling me that you voted for Trump only out of spite? You cut off your nose to spite your face... and are proud of your nose-less face? How will you indicate nonverbally to people about keeping a secret?
I_republiCAN ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it sure sucks having an economy that revitalized itself overnight. It also sucks having all you whiney "victimized" liberals screeching your wimpy lungs out. Oh wait my bad its fucking awesome. So awesome.
Starlord1729 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:22:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any sources on this newly revitalized economy?
And this was literally my entire point. You seem happier and more concerned about causing butthurt than policies. I'm not even American, I could care less but it would take concerted effort.
I_republiCAN ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:26:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you looked at the Dow Jones lately?
LordSocky ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:29:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>rich people getting richer
yay we did it reddit
I_republiCAN ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:36:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a bunch of working stiffs with college funds and 401Ks but fuck them right reddit. It is your arrogance that makes us sick, you are not better or worse but you are all being assholes. Cut it out.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you capable of conversing sans insults?
iamthelindberghbaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you know he isn't.
Starlord1729 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:39:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stock market is not a good indicator current employment rates, or the economy. At most you could say confidence is up, but even that would be a stretch.
I_republiCAN ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confidence is WAYYYYYYYYYY up you may even want to get a job and start participating. Good luck
Starlord1729 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:54:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep that trend from 2009 that is continuing sure is just because of Trump. He's soo good, his influence can travel through time.
I personally don't need a second job. Engineering jobs are pretty good with pay and benefits. Also, I'm not American.
I_republiCAN ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:01:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then shut up about our politics.
Starlord1729 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:06:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explain why I should. Why someone shouldn't talk about a country with the largest economy in the world, with far reaching consequences. Your country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for non-Americans talking about your politics
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be a {insert whatever Donald thinks is bad today}. /s
Edit: Append /s
Starlord1729 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How so? Because I said the stock market isn't a good indicator of the economy as a whole?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet again, sarcasm fails on the internet. :( Your reasoning seems perfectly sound to me.
Starlord1729 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:15:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, sorry about that. Usually pretty good at spotting it, but political conversations throw me. Too many crazy stances
I_republiCAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ha
Starlord1729 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:22 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suggest you learn about American Revolutionary War and the how France is the reason your fight for independence was successful.
I kind of find it funny I seem to know more about your countries past then you. But in your defense, I do have a penchant for world history.
"History cannot give us a program for the future, but it can give us a fuller understanding of ourselves, and of our common humanity, so that we can better face the future."
I_republiCAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:05 on January 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not impressed
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:16:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does nationality matter when discussing politics?
nasrmg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My opinion as an Australian is that the guy is pretty emotional
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just a fucking white male. How exactly am I spiting myself if I voted Trump?
Starlord1729 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:35:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You defined a vote out of spite as the reason for votes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're telling me every American went to the voting booth fully happy to vote for either candidate?
Of course their were votes out of spite. A hell of a lot of them. Doesn't mean it affected them one way or the other.
Starlord1729 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:48:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically a "strategic vote" isn't a spite vote, but I see the necessity for strategic votes as yet another sign of the broken 2 party system. But that's a different topic, though I would be happy to discuss.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Party politics should be banned. Everywhere.
That would be the general jist of that discussion from me and I'll doubt my mind will be changed on that.
Starlord1729 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's mob rule. Party politics are a joke. People should be forced to run as the individual that most represents their region, so that would be by an election.
Then votes in Congresses and Parliaments and Houses etc.... will be the representative representing. Not voting for who the party told him to vote for.
Imagine how far the corruption will fall? It's easy to pay off a party leader, it's harder to pay off 150 individual representing their constituents.
Using ''Democracy'' and ''Party'' in the same sentence baffles me. Leaders of a group telling the rest of the group what to do and think and how to vote is not Democracy.
Starlord1729 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes. The US needs to shift to preferential voting. Though I am not sure how it would work for the presidential election, for Congress and Senate it would allow people to actually consider 3rd party politicians. Politicians that better represent their ideals instead of being stuck with A for risk of B winning if you don't vote for A.
In the US if you are a person who is a social liberal but a fiscal conservative, there is no party that truly represents you. You are simply stuck with 2 'B' choices.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he is thoroughly incompetent, is alienating allies, and his policies will harm the country?
Just venturing a guess, here.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great guess.
Considering the closest allies are kneeling at his feet, his policies have helped the country and he's so incompetent he's got more done in a week than Obama did in 8 years, yeah a great guess.
You should tell everyone you know about it. Get the word out. Make sure everyone knows they're a dumb redneck if they disagree, that always changes minds :)
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not.
They haven't.
He didn't do anything more than sign papers, some with disastrous and ineffective policy. One would have to be an irrational fanboy to claim he's done "more in a week than Obama did it 8 years."
Yes, it's a great guess. An amazing guess. My guessing abilities are tremendous.
People already know about, which is why your idol is well on its way to becoming the worst president ever. Apparently, he's very upset that people don't like him. He though being elected president would bring him respect, instead he's the most contested new president in history - and the protests have only just begun.
Trump is a man-child, and so are his supporters.
Why do you say "everyone"? Only a small portion of the people voted for him. He wasn't even able to win the popular vote.
Again, you're not very good at this. Very low energy. You should find another hobby (or, better, a job - though you might be a bit young for that still).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:34:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great post.
Twitter should see this.
You should share.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I'm not an immature man-child. I'm not trying to score points. I'm simply highlighting your trolling before I report it.
Have a nice day.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not.
I think you should shout your views loud and proud. I don't see why we're at conflict here.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fascinating, tell me more.
Sprockethead ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:42:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you two talking about, btw? Just curious. Are you talking about the article that was posted here?
WeAllWillDie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:46:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It appears they are sitting in a circle beating each others meat.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:59:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comments in this sub. It's brilliant.
Keep up the great work You won't find me arguing with you.
Mardok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think of this article though?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lazy and boring. It contained 2 paragraphs of information and the rest was an opinion piece. Wasn't an article, was a blog post.
As for the issue. Trump needs to clarify that these lists only contain illegals and not legal and naturalised migrants. Listing legal migrants is totally wrong.
Mardok ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:33:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See that's a good response, I don't agree with you but I get where you're coming from.
If you want r/politics to be a better place you should engage more with people rather than just make the same old tired comments.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly never thought I'd see two people with different opinions being civil with each other on this sub. Good job
iamthelindberghbaby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:57:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how u/TheHamiwank didn't agree and try to mend fences? This is the type of shit I can't stand. You can disagree, but you don't have to be a fucking asshole about it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fences were mended,
We don't agree, we left it nice.
Clutching at straws. Desperate.
iamthelindberghbaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He extended an olive branch and you didn't reply to it. If you really felt that way, you'd, ya know, actually mend the fences.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. Desperation. I upvoted, what do you want a gushing response in agreement?
Get a grip will ya.
foodie69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man too bad he didn't follow through with his Saudi hatred right?? It's too bad he didn't add them to the list of banned immigrants... Wait a sec...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the only countries on that list are on the Homeland Security list of states that sponsor terrorism.
Are you suggesting we lump the other states in with the ones that sponsor terrorism?
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I see, ya got me good.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello? Hello? Sorry you appear to have gone silent.
I wonder why.
foodie69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm trying to sleep you dumb fuck now I'm restless browsing reddit. But it's nice that you cared enough to give me some love so late in the thread.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:09:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I stumped you 3 hours ago. And you've been very active since.
I think you're telling porkie pies ;)
foodie69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Lol
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:11:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have a look back at the convo. Did you forget?
You said something silly and ignored the response.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't stump him, sorry.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, well maybe you have the answer.
'Cos he didn't ;)
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You made no rational arguments, thus they didn't require any kind of rebuttal.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:37:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you've managed to go 4 posts without an insult (You might have just set a record for leftists, good on ya) I'll help you along a little bit on this one.
The stumping I'm talking about isn't in this thread of comments.
In fact, because I'm so astonished you haven;t thrown an insult yet and you being a leftists makes this somewhat of a miracle, I will directly quote his silly comment and the stumping.
He said....
And I replied...
So, there you go, at least in your next comment you can know what you're talking about. No thanks needed. My pleasure :)
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Saudi Arabia does sponsor terrorism.
There you go, I demolished your argument in just a few seconds. You might enjoy this as well:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/
Also, the US has sponsored terrorism in the past, so does that mean he's going to start banning Americans from entering the country if they leave?
...implying that "leftists" always throw insults? In my experience, right-wingers throw just as many, if not more.
At least I'm being honest in my comments, while you aren't. This isn't an insult, just a statement of fact.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you beauty. Walked right in to that one.
So. Saudi Arabia is a state sponsor of terrorism.
So......Why wouldn't the Obama administration put them on the state sponsored terrorism watch list? Why wouldn't Clinton during her time as SoS?
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no no. This is about Trump. Don't try to change the subject, that's a logical fallacy.
I didn't walk into anything, I simply highlighted your own crass hypocrisy.
You're really not very good at this. You should fine another hobby.
We're done here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA!! bottled it.
You walked in to it, and then you bailed on it.
See ya super superior intellect genius.
Keep going on like this. As you say, it doesn't hurt you so you should definitely carry on.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, not interested.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, the right might insult (personally, the astounding rate of mental illness in the left is something to be concerned about not insulted. Everyone deserves help. I don;t like that side of the right, guilty of it myself. Should be more understanding and accepting towards it.)
Yes I am. I honestly want you leftists to carry on like this exactly. Just because you don't like the reasons why doesn't mean i'm not being honest when I say it.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an insult in and of itself. There is no evidence the rate of mental illness is higher among people on the Left than people on the Right. I'd say that, with this recent election where Trump supporters believed in all kinds of conspiracy theories, the argument goes the other way.
You're not being honest when you agree with what leftist say, as you have done numerous times in this thread.
Since you are clearly not an honest person, I see no reason to continue this. Have a nice day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah OK.
You're totally right. You keep doing what you're doing.
Glad to see you bailed on the Saudi discussion. Double stumping. 2 for 1.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one that got stumped, chump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK. You keep doing what you're doing ;)
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, not interested.
foodie69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're calling the left mentally ill... Hahaha both sides are completely nuts at both ends..
sacrimony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mental illness of the DNC rigging the primary for unelectable hillary. old 227
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhmmm.? Mental illness would imply there's no coherent thoughts.. I'd call that kind of shit evil but it's far from being "mental illness of the left".
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I really don't see how stating another thing about how democrats can obviously be nuts makes it so republicans aren't?? It's like when trump supporters still use Hillary as a deflect. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Dwighty1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a horrible way to decide who to vote for.
foodie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These people didn't vote with logic.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure.
Obviously the FAR right have it's psycho's but with how far off the deep end the general left are now, ''right'' has come to mean more anything not totally batshit.
If the pole stayed in the same place and we saw the shift on a graphic, the left would be so far off the left side of the pole you wouldn't be able to see them and the right would be more in the centre of the pole.
Yes there are extreme right wingers, but the numbers when it comes to total insanity isn't even close.
TrinarUltra ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:32:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you're pulling this data from personal anecdotes or? Just a general feeling?
evildonky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:29:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the room. He ain't exactly a book learnin' kind of guy.
smecklerr ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:21:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing. So spot on!! This sub is a joke!!
foodie69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys sure do love your alternative facts
SuperMario_All-Stars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sure like trendy phrases.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't dissuade. Encourage.
Look at how ''Fake News'' turned out for them.
webauteur ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I predicted that Trump would not last a week in office. Well, he has been in office that long and has managed to freak out just about everyone.
Even if I were a supporter, I could not see him last long if he does not slow down. It is like he is trying to do everything he can before they yank him out of there.
Guy-Mafieri ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:35:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"They" being who exactly? Angry college liberal redditors?
webauteur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congress can impeach the president. If Trump does something extremely rash like drop a nuke on ISIS they will yank him out of there so fast it will make his head spin.
PadaV4 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you the guy who predicted that Hillary has a 99% chance to win? GJ! /s
anchoar204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won by 3,000,000 votes??
PadaV4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she didn't win anything. Well maybe a participation trophy :)
Birthrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can Donald trump do any wrong in your eyes or is he infallible?
twitchy_shemale ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:17:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just ignore the problems illegals commit.
We have a god damn problem. Stop coddling
Baelzabub ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:05:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is there is no need for this kind of list to be published by the POTUS. Not unless he's doing the same for gun deaths in the US by US citizens. But then that would go against his base and we can't have that.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:10:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't firearms deaths already tracked and widely publicized?
Baelzabub ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tracked, yes. Widely publicized? No, particularly not on the level of the POTUS publishing a weekly list.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:54:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google gun deaths, it is tracked by the CDC and FBI, and God knows how many websites, I know every time I have any sort of pro gun stance on reddit, it is shoved down my throat.
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter, because that list serves no political agenda. Imagine the dems control congress and the White House, and they are instituting some massive gun control program and have called for a weekly published list of gun related deaths so as to politicize and push their cause. That would be the equivalent argument. The country would lose its collective shit
Baelzabub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly my point.
Furbush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh maybe he's doing it because our government has always refused to share the data even though they have it?
I bet if it were someone in your own family was killed by an illegal immigrant you'd be singing a different tune. Our government doesnt exist to help shelter illegal immigrants from a neighboring country. The governement's priority should be defense of American citizens. The fact they're trying to cover up the data should tell you there's a problem. You can get crime statistics about every other ethnic group
Baelzabub ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:27:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are not trying to "cover up the data." Crime data is published for every crime committed. There's not some vast leftist conspiracy to cover up the crimes of illegal aliens, but there should also not be a president publishing a list of crimes by a specific demographic. That is not in any way what America stands for as a nation free for all.
Furbush ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you purposely ignorant or just uninformed? You can DEFINITELY find crime stastics broken down by each minority group. How do you think we know the rates of black on black crime? They dont publish illegal immigrant crime records. This isn't debatable
It isnt a conspiracy, it's a matter of fact. Just like how liberals in Europe don't publish migrant crime rates. You can find the overall data of crime surging, but never on migrants specifically.
America is a free nation for all Americans, not every person on earth. I know liberals like to think legal immigration is a crime against humanity, but it's how all our immigration ahould be done. Anyone can be an American if they go through the proper protocols, just coming here isnt the threshold for becoming an american. The American way isnt illegally sneaking in and avoiding the law
twitchy_shemale ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not offend the criminals?
Fuck criminals. Fuck pussy border jumpers. It's cut and dry. Are you a citizen or not? If you are, great if not, get the fuck out no exceptions. I don't care how long you've been here or how much family you have here your not a fucking citizen and your breaking the law.
We have homeless and veterans on the street and hungry. We need to take care of them before we take on refugees. How can any sane person want to harbor and help another countries people but not want to fix our problems first?
Trump is 59 % approval rating and climbing
Baelzabub ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:25:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes fuck criminals, but singling out one group and ignoring the other because the later is part of your base is beyond stupid.
I agree, and I've been saying for years that we need to take care of shit at home before we can be the world police (you know, like invading Iraq). But I'm also not a heartless person who thinks that we should just chuck someone back to a place they were willing to risk their lives to escape, there's probably a reason.
I'm sorry what now?
Oafus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? 59%? What street is this on?
twitchy_shemale ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:42:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the link maybe?? Like I don't know how someone can be on this earth and be so ignorant and plain dumb.
Majority of America loves our president and wants him to succeed. Maybe you should leave and go to Syria if America is so bad
Oafus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Trump does not have a 59% approval rating. I'm not sure what link you are referring to, I just read what you wrote.
DangHunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol idiot. You know we are also on the internet right?
Moron.
We get to criticize Trump, so fuck off.
This is not your safe space kid.
EVERYONE in North America who is not native is descended from immigrants.
Fuck you.
No, lets not NAME them, or we get to name EVERYONE.
Again, fuck you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reported for incivility
Golftrip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:29:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus you are SALT-EE in this thread. Hilarious. Hope you're in therapy cause it's gonna be a long 8 years for you unless you decide to start thinking critically and see that Trump is the man for us.
Oafus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jeez, I hope we actually get to the point where it takes critical thinking to to confront Trump's nonsense. On the bright side, at least we can count on him ushering in another 50 years of progressive and democratic rule as his unorganized, knee jerk and grab-asstic brand of leadership plays the iceberg to the Titanic that is today's conservatism. Unless of course, conservatives start to distance themselves from him... hmm
2ndprize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Petya wished to say "Good night" but could not utter a word. The officers were whispering together. Dolokhov was a long time mounting his horse which would not stand still, then he rode out of the yard at a footpace. Petya rode beside him, longing to look round to see whether or no the French were running after them, but not daring to.
Coming out onto the road Dolokhov did not ride back across the open country, but through the village. At one spot he stopped and listened. "Do you hear?" he asked. Petya recognized the sound of Russian voices and saw the dark figures of Russian prisoners round their campfires. When they had descended to the bridge Petya and Dolokhov rode past the sentinel, who without saying a word paced morosely up and down it, then they descended into the hollow where the Cossacks awaited them.
"Well now, good-by. Tell Denisov, 'at the first shot at daybreak,'" said Dolokhov and was about to ride away, but Petya seized hold of him.
"Really!" he cried, "you are such a hero! Oh, how fine, how splendid! How I love you!"
"All right, all right!" said Dolokhov. But Petya did not let go of him and Dolokhov saw through the gloom that Petya was bending toward him and wanted to kiss him. Dolokhov kissed him, laughed, turned his horse, and vanished into the darkness.
DangHunk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we now?
Fuck you. No coddling for you, regressive shit stain.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reported for incivility
twitchy_shemale ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:26:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't need coddling. I am an adult and could care less for your insults.
The problem is with you having to coddle everyone down to criminals. You guys are mad because Trump is singling out a specific set of criminals. It's a start to combat criminals and you cry foul. Pathetic
Trump has 59 % approval rating and he banned muslims from extreme areas. I bet your seething mad about how whites are oppressing everyone hahah. You a nut job and you lost miserably facts. You lost the house, senate and president. So America wants this change.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:38:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BrakTalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to understand how polls can be so divergent.
twitchy_shemale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are complaining that he is singling out CRIMINALS. Literally getting angry that he wants to combat illegal crime in this country.
Haha delusional?
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan26
Bet you won't read that new poll and see that he is at 59%. Moron
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:55:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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twitchy_shemale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been attacked in here before I threw one insult. Please read above.
The guy I called a moron didn't even look at the link I posted.
So my link is fake and yours is real? Their is so much disinformation going on it's crazy. Both sides and all media is contradicting. I have 0 clue what's true or false.
Again you are wrong. He wants to post lists of people in sanctuary cities that commit crime who are illegal. Hardly all immigrants.
I appreciate you not slinging mud and actually giving me a response that I can respond too.
iamthelindberghbaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should start from the beginning.
farcetragedy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say that. I said none of the other polls agree with it. It's an outlier--which Rasmussen, if you know polling at all, has a long history of.
You originally said, criminals. That was wrong. He doesn't just want to post criminals, he wants to single out a very specific subset.
Whatever. It's ridiculous and embarrassing. That's to be expected from Trump.
My only hope is that he doesn't entirely fuck up the economy.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The polls are so bad and untrue; use the recent election for example. The fact e still rely on polls for anything is laughable. I only posted my poll to show y'all the variances that are taking place.
Dude, he wants to post illegal immigrant crime in sanctuary cities. Only illegal immigrants. Why is there such an outcry for illegals ? They are not citizens
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:43:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iamthelindberghbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point, dude. They don't want these people here at all. They're taking up all the good jobs.
farcetragedy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If illegal immigrants commit a crime, they're deported. Trump just wants to post it to whip people up into a frenzy of hate. There's no other reason to do it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Posting a list does what? Besides sow fear and hatred?
Like seriously what good would it do? It's propaganda.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would show that we have a problem that needs to be fixed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then they should also publish weekly lists on crimes committed by non-immigrants, so that one has the full picture. Perhaps there is also an issue there we need to fix. Should we break it down into ethnic groups? Perhaps we should also have separate lists depending how many generations their family has been here?
Otherwise, this is propaganda. It's given without context or comparison so either the person delivering the message or the person receiving it will be the ones to define what it means. Without context they will likely be incorrect (or intentionally deceitful).
It's really unfortunate that you can't see this. What do you think the nation would have looked like if we started publishing the same lists in the early 20th century? They'd have been full of Irish, Italian etc. etc. etc.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point. The point is that these people shouldn't be here in the first place. They're undocumented, ILLEGAL aliens.
WRONG. Those groups immigrated legally. They became Americans. Do you not understand the difference between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant?
It's really unfortunate that you can't see this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the law doesn't state illegal immigrants. It can be applied to all immigrants.
And there were plenty of 'illegal' immigrants back then. And many of them were UK/euro. And many committed crimes. Hell, many started or joined gangs.
And quite a few of us are their descendants.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just simply false. It clearly states aliens. Read the physical order, not some opinion article try to interpret a three sentence paragraph.
From Merriam-Webster: Definition of alien- "relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, which is why the typical preceding term 'illegal' is an important distinction that is left out here. Because legal immigrants can also be aliens, as they still retain citizenship elsewhere. They are referred to as 'legal aliens'. If they obtain residence, they are 'resident aliens'. In the US, from a legal standpoint, until you are a naturalized citizen you are an alien. So this order applies to ALL immigrants who have not obtained citizenship.
So, yes, it clearly states 'aliens', but you don't know what that means.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess technically, yes you could call a legal immigrant an alien. But I've never heard anyone use the term alien to describe anyone but illegal immigrants, I feel like it's implied. I'm sure this will be clarified in the coming days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not implied in law. And this is law. You can't 'imply' things in law. It has to be made explicit.
We have legal definitions of what constitutes an alien. I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't know this when crafting the legislation.
urgassed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scratch that, it does specify immigrants who ILLEGALY enter the country. See Section 1: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/presidential-executive-order-enhancing-public-safety-interior-united
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. They only use the word illegal in the statement of their 'purpose'. They would need to state that any further references to 'alien' are a reference to aliens who have entered the country illegally. They do not even imply that the laws only apply to them, they simply make a statement that 'aliens entering illegally are a threat'.
They do not make the distinction in the relevant subsection, leaving its application open.
This is where they define their list, and they do not explicitly state 'illegal aliens'. Laws need to be explicit.
This is frightening legislation.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, don't you understand this applies to ILLEGAL immigrants, not all immigrants? Stop just glancing at headlines and read the actual article.
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what. Illegal immigrants who committ crimes are deported. The only point of this action is to stir up hate.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the point is to expose sanctuary cities to the the rest of the public.
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck does that mean?
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To show how much crime is done by non citizens
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who the fuck cares about parsing it out that way except people already filled with hate?
These criminals should be deported. The list is just stupidity.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The list is to show how much illegal crime we have. I have 0 clue how much? Do you know? I think it'd be a good idea so we can gauge where we are at and determine how big of an issue this is.
Again this affects people in this country who are not citizens. Illegal aliens.
I swear it seems like some people want to coddle and give them more rights than citizens
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you don't read at all. I just said they should be deported--several times.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to deport when you have sanctuary cities. The point is to shed light on how bad the illegal crime is in sanctuary cities.
So you don't read....
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're confused. So called sanctuary cities already deport illegal aliens who commit crimes. I do love how angry you Trumpsters are at the cities who create the vast majority of wealth in this country. Trump is about to give us a huge tax cuts too, which is great. Time for is to spend more money on our cities rather than send it to the mooching red state leeches.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tax cuts are awesome!
They harbor illegal aliens. We don't want illegals. America has spoken by electing Trump. We need to eradicate illegal migration here and stiffen prison sentences to the leeches.
I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree with you. Sanctuary cities are evil and against the law. We need to eradicate them all. You know 65k illegals graduate high school every year?
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't live here. You have no clue. You want to fuck with our economy and people. We say no.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really do t matter what I say or you say. It's happening. America has spoken and no more sanctuary cities.
Your done harboring the criminals. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. You lost. Your done. America wants patriotism and no illegals here. No open borders. Your done. You lost. Get over it and adapt or move
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol. I love how angry you guys get. Even when you win--still such rage. hahaha
You're going to have to send in the feds if you want this mass deportation you so desire. And, sure, Trump can do that. It's going to fuck the economy though and that will hurt you guys in the Trump states too.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am persistent. It's a trait of successful people and winners. I don't let losers talk over me
How will sending illegals away fuck up the economy. I'd love to hear this brain buster.
You care more about illegal peice of shits than actual citizens. Have so god damn pride in America boy. Remember D DAy? Remember ww1 and 2? Those are the patriots and who we need to remember. Not some illegal fuck or a bitch who wears a hijab throwing up ISIS signs
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, successful people remain calm and don't get worked up.
Do I really need to explain to you how losing millions of workers and consumers at once will fuck up the economy?
No, I just don't let my emotions get in the way of thinking about what's best for the country.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What don't you understand? These people have already broken the law by being here illegally, that's grounds for deportation right there. But sanctuary cities are safe spaces and they don't prosecute them for that alone. Any crimes on top of that are just icing on the cake for deportation. The citizens of sanctuary cities deserve to see the crime committed by illegal immigrants.
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants who commit crimes are deported. No one is saying they shouldn't be.
You still haven't made any case for why there needs to be a list published. They're being deported already. No one is saying they shouldn't be.
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not always deported and unfortunately for some that are, they end up back here thanks to the presence of sanctuary cities. (See the Kathryn Steinle case in San Francisco).
This law gives the public exposure to the crimes committed by illegal aliens, thereby putting pressure on the law enforcement to follow through with permanent deportation.
farcetragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person was deported in that case. They snuck back in. And obviously it was reported on so your claim of needing a list for that makes no sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rasmussen says 59% others say 36 and 46
anchoar204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quinn Epan, economist, Time, CNN all have him below 45%. If people realizing that your cherry picking data and using alternative facts makes them morons then cool. You gullible child.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm showing you a poll from yesterday. Your the gullible one. You believe facts that fit your agenda and dismiss ones that don't. I'm open and have stated twice that their is so much dis information going around right now
Why is my poll wrong and yours right?
damonpointagates ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His approval rate is climbing fast!
evildonky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're a admitting that you do care?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding criminals or persecuting criminals isn't worth what these actions will do to the fabric of your society. Criminals will always exist in a society that has free people. Criminals don't exist in a society of slaves.
benediktkr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel like white men in the US are being oppressed ?
anchoar204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump had a 36 % approval ratings. But sure cherry pick the 15 point outlier. Act like an adult all you want your just parroting obviously dale alternative facts.
Don't believe everything you read kids.
twitchy_shemale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:06 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. So my poll is wrong and yours is right.
Do you not see the hypocrisy?
I love how I post a poll and you just call me wrong and not post one? Your either a shill or just ignorant and ignore.
I gave you facts yo! By the way. Polls are garabage. If they were any good CLINTON would have been president. So I hope you die or widen up you cucky
Your a baby. A bottle he baby. You can't cope with democracy. You lost baby. No participation award. You lost. Okay. Your a loser in this race. Get over it. Baby
potato1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than citizens. Our country would have less criminality if we literally replaced all Americans with Mexican illegal immigrants.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just illegals, but immigrants commit more crimes than citizens
facepalmforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What problems? Is there any sourced information suggesting illegal immigrants are more likely to commit a crime?
Further, in the past decades, illegal immigration had been at the lowest levels it has in decades. Very few people cared about it in the last two elections. Obama, Romney and McCain all had the opportunity to speak to thousands of people during their respective campaigns, and illegal immigration barely cracked the top ten of major issues four years ago, and the top twenty right years ago.
Despite the fact that illegal immigrant is less of a problem now than it ever has been, you have been told to worry about it, and are buying into it. The facts don't support you. Fear mongering and divisive rhetoric is working.
No one is saying they want crime or criminals in this country, legally or illegally. But this is a distraction from the real crimes occurring - at the level of corporate profit hoarding and hedge funds.
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should back up what you say with facts instead of feels.
Ncusa17 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:35:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even need to read the article to know this is fearmongering
leditgo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:39:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fear mongering???!! Dude, read the fucking executive order. It is literally in writing. The publishing of a weekly updated list of crimes committed by aliens.
archiesteel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:07:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta keep the people afraid if you want to rule them - and Trump supporters are easily frightened.
SVTBert ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's frightened. We're just adults who realize that this is a society that follows laws, not anarchy.
The frightened ones are the ones rioting and throwing tantrums and screaming about Hitler right now. Tell me, who sounds more frightened?
archiesteel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they are. Frightened of Mexicans coming across the border, afraid of terrorists sneaking in among refugees, etc.
The only reason for this publication is to make people believe the criminal rate of aliens is higher than that of non-aliens, which is in itself false (illegals tend to keep a lower profile in order to avoid being deported).
This is stoking fears of xenophobia, pure and simple. It is manipulation by someone who cares more about himself than about his countrymen.
They're not frightened, they're angry, and rightfully so. You dismissing them as "tantrums" suggests you're frightened by this opposition, too.
Face it, you bet on the wrong horse.
SVTBert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
Following the laws isn't being "frightened". I'm not "frightened" when I follow other laws. It's called BEING A LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN, something which illegals aren't. Try again though.
That has been a legitimate concern, though, not just fear mongering. Unless you just want to ignore all of the attacks that keep happening.
I hope you never have to see this happen to one of your children.
This isn't about being "frightened", in this matter it's about common sense foreign policy. Even Pope Francis believes every nation has a right to control its borders and who comes in and he's like the most liberal pope yet.
"I've never taken a statistics class in college and I don't understand how crime statistics work" - You.
All of that is in your head. Literally. There's nothing xenophobic about it, it has to do with crimes, not race or origin of country. We have NO problem with legal immigrants with proper documentation who follow the correct path to citizenship. But you seem to overlook that when it suits your hole-ridden arguments.
You're funny. The ones following law and order in this country are "frightened", but the ones who are out looting and rioting and screaming their heads off that Trump is literally Hitler aren't. Too funny.
But do go ahead, because this should be entertaining, tell me why they are "rightfully" breaking things.
Tell me what Starbucks (who donated to Hillary) did to deserve having their windows broken by anti-Trump rioters. Were rioters "angry" at Starbucks for supporting Hillary? Or do you think that maybe Starbucks had nothing to do with it, and that rioters were just breaking whatever they could, and maybe it wasn't rightful, and was maybe a bad thing.
Tell me what that Limo driver, who now can't afford another one for work, did to deserve his limo getting trashed. None of them had anything to do with Trump, and now they have to pay for damages and an increase in their insurance premiums thanks to a bunch of whiny children who can't act like adults, and instead decide to start throwing trashcans around and setting things on fire. Were the rioters rightfully angry at him?
Go on. Justify their behavior.
You're excusing this behavior and calling it "rightful" yeah, you are mentally unstable.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, didn't read any of this. My guess is that you're trying to say that you're not scared, while providing clear examples that you are.
You mindless T_D drones are so easy to read...
Cyuen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:40:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Keep hiding that head in the sand. I am sure you have a great life in reality with this attitude
SmellyPeen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:57:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any headline that mentions Trump and Hitler is fear mongering.
Cyuen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like i said, you must have a great life.
Keep this up. You are doing great.
SmellyPeen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler didn't drink alcohol, neither does Trump.
Literally Hitler.
frankiebass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
both are known for dumb hair and failures
(also being fascists)
rangers24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just for future reference. As soon as you call trump a fascist everyone who isn't an idiot blinded by the media thinks you are one.
frankiebass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an idiot my friend. Those are facts
seamonkey89 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:04:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.... He's going to publish a list of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. If reddit can distinguish between all 107 genders, why can't we distinguish between legal and illegal immigration?
DrChez ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:25:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you read this? Because the text of the order specifically states aliens, the word "illegal" isn't mentioned once. You folks need to pay attention and stop assuming shit.
seamonkey89 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under federal law, any non-U.S. citizen is analien.ย Aliensย who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law asย illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate.
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...okay? The point is the order did not specifics illegal, therefore they could be collecting and publishing information on legal aliens
seamonkey89 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grasping at straws much?
DrChez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:20:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is reading the letter of the law grasping at straws? Do you realize how the legal system in this country works?
elit3powars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:22:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's 264 genders you racist misogynistic white male
/s
HaveaManhattan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:01:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is going to wash his ass. Hitler did the same. You can find anyone doing almost anything and there's a good chance Hitler may have done it too. Hitler ordered policies to help German farmers, but nobody compared Dubya to Hitler when Ethanol from corn was being hyped up. It's like everyone wants to see him become a genocidal maniac. Like they can't wait for it and want to help him along and make sure it happens so they can be proved right. Can't we just enjoy having a bumbling Nero without having to turn him into Hitler? We can skip that brass ring, America. Let Hitler be number 1 at that. Or Stalin. Or Kahn. They all killed ungodly amounts. So far Trump has yet to make good on shooting anyone on 5th avenue.
thereasonableman_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:39:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that Trump fits the mold of a fascist unlike Bush or Obama. His campaign was driven by creating an us vs them worldview and blaming America's problems on outsiders. His campaign was defined by kicking out immigrants, building a wall to keep out foreigners, banning muslims, blaming free trade and thus other countries for our economic woes, and defeating ISIS.
It is also fueled by conspiracy theories and the belief that he alone can fix the woes of the nation. For examples of conspiracy theories, we can look at him saying:
-All the polls are rigged against me
-All of our intelligence agencies are wrong or conspiring against me
-Climate change is a Chinese conspiracy
-3-5 million illegals voted
-Obama wasn't born in America
-The media is conspiring against me.
-His supporters claiming Hillary had a DNC staffer assassinated
-His supporters claiming Angela Merkel is raising a secret EU army
-Oh and let's not forget vaccines cause autism but BIG PHARMA doesn't care.
HaveaManhattan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:53:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Few quick things
1) What his supporters claim has nothing to do with how I judge him. I voted Obama twice and didn't judge him on the thoughts of black separatists. There's a man who runs for President who wears a boot on his head. We got all sorts here.
2) He did NOT only blame our problems on outsiders. He called out everyone, often by mentioning his donations to them. He called out the system like Bernie did, and the people who wanted that, went with trump. And, like Bernie, he rightfully called out free trade. I DO think his Americanism, and identity based on nationality not race, made a lot of people here feel like he was doing an Us vs. Them, but for others it struck a chord. I've had family here since the 1860s. At what point do i get to be "American" and not from 12 different countries? We're almost 250 years old as a nation. At what point do we begin to have a national identity the same way France gets to have one, or Japan? At the inauguration, he said let us all come together, black white, brown, as Americans. The Media missed that, choosing to focus on the "American Carnage" line and then lying and saying Trump didn't even call for unity during the speech. He called for national unity, not photo op unity.
3) He did not say "kick out immigrants" or "build the wall to keep out foreigners". It's all about the ones who came here illegally. I do not understand why people find that concept so hard to grasp. They had no right or permission to immigrate here in the first place. Trump has two immigrant wives and an immigrant mother and grandfather. He has views on the topic of illegal immigration. People who don't like those views and the inconvenient truth of his immigrant family then have to fall back and say "oh, he's only against black or brown immigrants" - but he's not. It's illegal ones, and he's been consistent on that.
4) The "muslims" remark has been walked back, and has to do with nations that sponsor terrorism or foster it. If you have a good agrument to make against vetting people who want to come here from nations that foster extremist religious violence, then make it. Make the case for just letting anyone in, security be damned. I only wish he had added Saudi Arabia to today's list.
I'm with you on his conspiracy theories. I really do believe he's the product of someone watching TV all day. This opens you up to potential conspiracies, or lazy thinking. Great example - That "racist" quote of his about the black getting shot when they go outside, crime , drugs, etc. - Well, do you ever see black neighborhoods NOT portrayed that way on the news? It's "American Carnage" out there, according to cable. And if Al Sharpton goes on CNN to talk about black issues, that's what he brings up. But the news media don't tell Sharpton he's got it all wrong and he's racist for saying it. Nor do they report on the good stuff. That's part of his/the nation's current conflict with the media - It's based on finding scandals and controversies and plight, even if there is none to find. And people have always felt a little lied to, so when they see Trump talk about what they too see on TV, and then the same media that's been telling them that about black neighborhoods does a complete 180 and says Trump is wrong, people notice. When he's talking about illegal immigrants, and the media says he meant all Mexicans and that 'illegal" is a racist slur, people notice, and they stop listening to the media, and start looking elsewhere, like blogs, for information. Everyone has shares in the corporation that is this mess.
thereasonableman_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine but my point is fascism is demonstrated in part by how supporters view their leader.
He did not only blame outsiders, but they were the primary focus of his campaign. You are correct in that I neglected the "rigged" system but that honestly plays into the fascist narrative too. Don't trust the mainstream media, or any of the other politicians, or democratic institutions, put all your faith in me.
Well actually he did say he wants to kick out the immigrants. Then he said just the criminals. Then he said well maybe all of them. It doesn't really matter. The point is that he makes brown people into a huge fucking issue when they are barely a net negative on the economy, if at all. It's just such a tiny issue and yet it was the theme of his campaign.The wall isn't going to make a meaningful difference. America will not be significantly more or less prosperous because of the border wall. Yet, this was arguably the single most important part of his campaign. It's funny that is what he focuses on and what his supporters get worked up about.
He's dramatically decreasing the amount of refugees we will take in and I believe there is actually a blanket ban on Muslim immigrants right now from certain countries.
I'm fine with vetting people, but it's just such a non issue. First of all, it's not like we weren't vetting people before. Second, you are probably more likely to die by slipping in your bath tub than killed by a terrorist. But again, it's interesting that this is what he and his supporters focus on.
HaveaManhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever hear the phrase "It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you?" It may correlate with the "facist narrative", which I think is a laughable term, but it is not causation. It doesn't make a certain way just because you did a thing. If I suck a dick, it might fit the notion that I'm gay, but it could have actually have been done for crack. The system really was rigged. That wasn't Trump's fault, that was the DNC. That was the media with familial and financial ties to Clinton and the Dems, who helped along her 'pied piper' strategy. If there is a 'fascist narrative', it certainly doesn't have a chapter where they laugh at you all the way to the White House in between calling you Hitler.
Illegal immigrants. Say that first word please. This is part of why people don't trust the media. Trump says "illegal immigrants", the media says "Hispanic" then "Mexican", then if they back off that they say "immigrants". Stop trying to enlarge the group so it fits you "narrative" about racism. What is so hard about admitting that people here illegally are breaking the law? Technically they are ALL criminals. And "brown people"? The only ones who ever say that term are the ones doing it to complain about Trump. Why are all the slurs and violence coming from the anti-Trump side? Just make an argument for not throwing out the illegal immigrants, that's all i ask. Make an argument.
Negative on the economy? 24.6 BILLION sent yearly, tax free, never to return. That's CNN, from yesterday. Plus, you have actual jobs that they take(which people will actually do), the cost of services they use while here AND the abuse of undocumented labor erodes the hard earned rights of America's working class, such as a 40 hour work week. You'll often hear they have a "better work ethic" which means they don't mind 60 hour weeks with breaks. It means they'll be abused and overworked willingly so they can send money home. They aren't joining unions and demanding healthcare.
They are going to halt immigration from specific countries, all of which have something to do with terrorism, which I have no problem with. AND, they have said over and over again that it's until we can find a way to properly vet them, it could be 6 months. As for refugees, I have no desire to take them in. Certainly not the men of fighting age, who should have been in Syria doing that(or were and now want to be here?). I might be ok with taking the women and children temporarily. Other than Syria, all the other "refugees" are not "refugees". They are "economic migrants". I sympathize with their plight, but have no need for their services, and I know those dudes aren't all 14.
The president can't do anything about bathtub falls, and their aren't as dramatic on the news like when a building falls down or a crowd explodes. More importantly, it not about the body count, it's about the ethos behind the cultural arguments being played out on the world stage. Osama Bin Laden didn't want to kill Americans, well, he did, but his actual goal was to make us spend trillions of dollars going to war with them so we would bankrupt ourselves. He knew he couldn't win, but he could make us bleed, and we did. The whole strategy is "we can keep doing this for hundreds of years, but you can't keep spending that way for that long." Trump doesn't want to be involved in the middle east at all, and neither do I. I'm good with that, they can keep their strife. Trade is fine, but they can handle their own internal affairs thanks.
Fox News always says "it's interesting" when they want to imply things. But it's not really interesting at all. Everyone focuses on different thing. Make up a typical Hillary supporter - Maybe she tweeted #OscarSoWhite last year? Nation has about 12% black Americans, and movies have like 5 main characters on average. So that's 0.6 black people per film, before taking into account clustering in black movies like Medea. Hundreds of films are made every year, and four or five are nominated. Statistically, a black person should be nominated for Best Actor/ress every 2.5 years. It's the statistical norm that they aren't. But it's interesting that Hillary supporters focused on racism as the cause, like they had an agenda based on their personal experiences or something? That couldn't be the case right, and certain not so for Trump supporters. (Do I need the /s there?) I mean, everyone does this. You can pick any issue and add a bogey man. The White Devil, The Muslim Devil, it's all the same. If people want to get overworked by it, they will find a way.
Sprockethead ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:47:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are certain things that Hitler did during early on his tenure that were indicators of the atrocities to come. Washing his ass was something that Hitler did, no doubt. But that was not considered and indicator of anything.
Something different - publicly vilifying Jewish people - is something that Hitler did that many people consider a precursor to actually taking more action against Jewish people. And all sane people agree that the actions he took at the end of his tenure were bad.
Trump has never killed a group of people. However, as somebody that is early on in his tenure, Trump sometimes he takes an action that is similar to an action that dictators also took early in their tenure.
Hope that all makes sense.
PrettyMuchAVegetable ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It won't make sense to him, honest to god they're in denial about Trump's tendencies.
HaveaManhattan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:15:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With "indicators" I am very suspicious of who judges what an "indicator" is, because it can be manipulated, and try to avoid mixing up correlation and causation. If we're debating immigration, which we are, then a crime list might help his cause. It's "propaganda" to those who disagree, but to those who agree it's a data point to reference. It's an argument they are making. Furthermore, I MUST state the Trump did NOT vilify "mexicans"(which then magically became all "hispanics") or "muslims". He is against illegal immigration(me too, and I'm Hispanic), which is illegal, as in they commit a federal crime when coming here illegally instead of doing the legal paperwork. He is against radical islam(me too), and doesn't want to let just anyone in. The difference with the Jews was they weren't sometimes hijacking a truck and running over a couple dozen people in Berlin, or shooting dozens of German coffee haus patrons. The Jews weren't sneaking into Germany and working off the books, tax free, and sending the money outside of the country(Not like anyone wanted those deutchemarks then anyways, which is another big contrast). The Jews were legitimate victims. Illegal immigrants and terrorists are not legitimate victims, and hispanics and muslims are not the target. I'm so sick and tired of this "Hitler" bullshit. EVERY president in my 37 years has been compared to Hitler. People were calling Hillary Hitler, and Trump Hitler last summer. Enough already until you have a pit full of bodies to show me(speaking of which, where's the Hitler cries at Mexico for executing a school class full of kids last year?). What have we had, 10 billion or so people since the dawn of time and ONE Hitler. ONE. I can't wait until everyone born before 1950 is dead, so we can finally have a new historical reference point. I'll start taking this bullshit seriously when Alec Baldwin is in jail and not mocking Trump to broad acclaim in the nation's papers.
Sprockethead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make good points and thanks for the measured reply with actual thoughts instead of something like "salty tears."
Let's leave Hitler's name out of it. You are correct, it is inflammatory and detracts from the real issue. The issue, as I see it, is that he is choosing a segment of the population to dehumanize.
And here is where we differ. You believe that Trump wants to deport criminals only. That might be his intent, it might not. I believe that he wants to get rid of latinos and muslims. Why do I believe that? Because that is what the public sees when it sees this list. And Trump knows this.
You say that "'mexicans' magically became 'all hispanics.'" There is nothing magical about it. People, whether through ignorance or willful racism, will conflate illegal Mexicans with all hispanics, and terrorist sleepers as all Middle-Easterners. That, to me, is fact and not opinion.
Let's choose an ethnicity that you can identify on sight. Let's say "Asian" just because it's kind of benign at this moment news-wise. Publish a monthly list of crimes committed by Asians and pretty soon people will stop trusting Asians.
Trump wants to get his way. He's being advised by a man (Bannon) who wants America to be more European for whatever reason. He's selling the idea that illegals (hispanics) are inherently criminal.
Illegal immigrants (all of them, kids moms grandpas) are criminals. They need to go. That is not true. But that's not even the point. When people see this list what they compute is that ALL HISPANICS ARE CRIMINALS. And that's exactly the message that I think Trump wants to convey.
That is why we disagree. You believe that Trump legitimately wants to stop a crime from happening. I think that he is trying to round up and get rid of a specific ethnicity.
Now, I feel a little disingenuous conversing with a person who is Hispanic what I think about this. It affects you far more than it will ever affect me (white guy here). I understand if you don't answer, but personal question: Have you noticed any change in attitude towards you since Trump was elected? Just curious.
HaveaManhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I voted Johnson, donated to Bernie, bought a Trump hat. I'm my own person. And thank you.
I believe that he wants to deport all illegal immigrants and that by coming here illegally you have committed a crime, which does make you a criminal. Me and the rest of the Cuban side of my family do not think he wants to get rid of all lations, and we know our dictators. In fact, he's always talking about "illegal" immigrants. Like he's making a point about a subset of people who perform a specific action? Then the media says "mexicans/hispanics" or just "immigrants". They don't specify and distort what he said. People see that and see the blatant falsehood then stop listening to them and thinking "maybe that blog is right about Trump". As for "the public" - You have no more claim to knowing the "Real Americans" in this herd of cats than the right does. YOUR public sees that. THE public sees many different things.
But it's not Trump making the mexican/hispanic switch, it's MSNBC and CNN. Joy Behar was saying "illegal immigrant" was a racist slur. They never spoke of immigration as an issue for debate, just as a flame point for race baiting. Trump said illegal(there's that important word again) immigrants come here and some commit crimes, which they do(as do all sorts of americans), and some rape and murder, which they do. Some of them have been deported several times already. But the media cried havok and let slip the dogs of racism. Trump never made the switch. He never said "deport all hispanics". But the news DID say "Trump wants to deport all hispanics" hundreds of times, if not thousands, until it was accepted as fact. As for the terrorists, well not all muslims are terrorists, but an incredibly high portion of modern terrorists are muslim. I'd be supporting a closer look at Irish immigrants if this was the 1980s.
On that, we agree. Reading Art of the Deal right now, and I have no doubt he wouldn't have it any other way, and it's kinda fascinating to read now, because you see the same mental processes at work. As for Bannon and the hispanics thing - I don't agree that there is a nefarious scheme, or that a list of criminals makes everyone see all hispanics that way. I, for one, CAN differentiate between illegals and all hispanics. The people who have the hardest time seem to be on the other side. I do not understand why we can't talk about illegal immigrants without having to bring all hispanics into this. If Mexico was three nations, with three different types of people, would we be being racist towards all three? I think we just happen to have another large country that just happens to be the main source of illegal immigration. But it could easily be ten-fifteen countries, like Europe has. I understand what Bannon means when he says "I am a nationalist." because to me, it comes off as caring about your country, not hating other ones. It's isolationism.
None. I'm Spain-hispanic, and live in NYC. Cuba kept the races segregated until Castro, like America did. If anything, I use "hispanic" as my cover so people don't just call me racist as a reflex. But let me let you in on an open secret(if you lived South of America) - We're not actually talking about "hispanics", we're talking about Indians that speak Spanish. People in South America don't say they are "hispanics", that's a made up American term so we can lump together the brown people south of us. They're brown because they are partially a mix of black white and red(brown really). But down there, the indians are still shit on. The lower class. Uruguay's president is the first native president. The whiter classes are still on top. For me, as a "hispanic" the most racist thing people do is call us "hispanic" like we're all the same people, and tell me I'm not white like I'm an Italian immigrant in the 1920s. That's racist as fuck, and belies an ignorance of history. We all get taught in high school that Spain brought the pain. Heck, the recent surge of immigrants that started this was from Central America, but nobody bothers to not lump them all together. Whether you want them to go back or want to give them charity, it's just the same monolithic mass of brown people to all Americans.
Sprockethead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:34 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've given me a lot to think about my friend, and I have been thinking about it. You have more faith in people than I do. Regardless, please keep posting as I will be reading. You are the Trump supporter that I (and other democrats who were/are confused) have been searching for. You've laid out a lot of good reasons to stand behind Trump for now.
We disagree on our expectations of fellow Americans. I, sadly, don't expect most to give issues the intellectual understanding and nuance that you have. I feel like the racial subtleties of your last paragraph is an example of that (not trying to use your words out of context against you or anything). Most people don't understand the racial nuances.
We also might disagree on Trump's motivations. You are giving him the benefit of the doubt. I can't separate his poor speaking skills with his intelligence. I also can't tell what his real motivations are when he surrounds himself with people who have a bad track record with racial sensitivity (Bannon et al).
In any case, I'm going to be reading what you have to say.
HaveaManhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the end of the day, I believe in Captain America. I believe in US, and that's why I don't have fear.
It's because I'm not a supporter of the person, but the nation. I'm a political junkie, this shit is my NFL. Presidential election is drafting the new Quarterback. But 2016, holy shit, Trump almost single-highhandedly changed the game from football to baseball. As I have seen many times since my first election in 2000(voted Nader) - The Democratic Party is better at choking than the 90s Buffalo Bills. They have a hard time winning races that get handed to them, and it's all their own fault. Wasserman-Schultz should be thrown out of the party for what she did. Only Bernie would have beat him, because both of them tapped into the Zeigeist of America, albeit tapped in from different ends. Hillary didn't even seem to notice it, or to campaign much at all. She was my Senator and let me tell you something - Hillary Clinton has NEVER won a real race. That was Bill. Hillary was First Lady, then handed a Senate seat once Giuliani got cancer and had to drop out. A local rep from Long Island ended up running against her. Her second race, I don't think she had an opponent. 2008? Well that should have been the ONLY time Dem voters had to tell her they didn't want her. Sec. of State? Appointed. The fact that half of her experience comes from her husband or Obama's diplomatic appointment of her to soothe the party, make that "most experience candidate" lie even worse. (Gen. Wesley Clark in 2004 was more qualified, for example. John McCain. The list can go on.). Democrats lose when they fail to believe in their own progressive principles, and instead move to the center. They can't win by trying to be the most Republican Democrat, they have to have self-conviction. And no more identity politics. Stop apologizing for everything. You ever see Bush or Trump or any Republican apologize? No, because it's a TACTIC, and a good one.
I'm from NY, the Bronx, him from Queens. He sounds like a million other Queens mushmouths I've heard before. It's almost like a local dialect, but it throws off a lot of people.
HaveaManhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:53 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One other thing I noticed - All his speeches, before during or after the election, he does the "Thank you god bless America" bit, then a song starts to play. What song? The Rolling Stones "You Can't Always Get What You Want", which is followed lyrically by "but if you try sometimes, you get what you need". That can't be unintentional. He may very well be the president we need not the one we want. 75 Years since the War. 25 since the Wall fell. How long until we need to change things? How long can the old order stand and still work in the modern world, or does it need to change and adapt for the times, as nations have always had to do throughout history? But with change comes fear, good fear, healthy fear, like you have before asking a girl out or stepping up to bat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course we shouldn't be calling Trump the next Hitler. But if the media draws similarities between bad policies of the Trump administration and Hitler's fascist policies, what's the problem? It's not like we're saying Trump is Hitler because they both wear clothes. Publishing a list of crimes done by immigrants is a policy employed by few developed countries and it's noteworthy.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald trump will kill people, we probably just wont hear about it.
HaveaManhattan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
smh....They all kill people dude, they all do. Some did it by hand before they were President, and then used that as a qualification for being President. Anyone who runs for President needs to be comfortable knowing that many people will live and die by the decisions you make. When the drone blows up a wedding on accident - the blood is on you, Mr. President, be it Obama or Trump or Space Jefferson of the Future.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only because his ministry of truth won't tell us about it. Maybe if we're lucky he'll score some tips from Putin on how to murder journalists that hurt his feelings.
TylrLS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he can drone the arabs and deport the most Mexicans in US history and win a nobel peace prize like obama?
FedorTheKing ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:42:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jesus, this is some ridiculous level fear mongering. Why is this sub called r/politics when it clearly only encompasses one view of politics?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a cruel NWO trick perpetrated by none-other than that beady-eyed son-of-a-bitch George Soros.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same son of a bitch Trump needed to fund his tacky Trump Tower?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:35:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they both give speeches too! Practically the same person!
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pm_favorite_song_2me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I presume you're a supporter, which makes it weird that you don't know anything about the content of many of his campaign speeches.
John-AtWork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Fuck America, are you going to stand for this Nazi shit!?
RedditMapz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he is building new detention centers at the border... I mean half way there. I am sure Hitler didn't call them concentration camps either.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are about 6 months away from concentration camps in America under Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me 6 months
MrSneller ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:47:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind this likely won't be a list of convicted illegal immigrants. Any Hispanic arrested, but not yet tried, will be on it.
venomae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Executive Order N(whatver the number is now) - Police will be encouraged to do more frisking and racial profiling as these methods have been deemed outstanding and effective.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:58:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine how much better a place the world would be if Hitler had been assassinated during his first days in office.
InSOmnlaC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soviet union would still be around, and insanely powerful. Japanese Empire would be aggressively provoking Asia. Italy would be fascist. Europe would probably still be in a depression.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So according to you we should all be grateful to Adolf Hitler. No need to ask who you voted for.
InSOmnlaC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice Strawman. Hitler was a piece of shit. Doesn't mean you can't look back on history and realize that the world is better off now than it would have been had there not been a world War 2 when it happened.
Three powerful and evil governments were taken out and replaced with peaceful ones. Europe is flourishing. Asia is flourishing. It likely wouldn't be like that otherwise.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You believe the world is a better place for having had Hitler in it. You're a Nazi apologist at best and an actual fucking Nazi at worst. Fascists like you deserve nothing but contempt. Blocked.
InSOmnlaC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit you're a fucking moron. Not a single brain cell capable of critical thought in your head.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:27:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What on earth is wrong with you? The Black Death was an awful thing, but it sparked some ultimately good things afterwards. Oh well, maybe you're just trolling.
To say that, for example, "Soviet Union could still be around and powerful" isn't exactly pro-Hitler speech. It's very possible that would be true if Hitler had been assassinated.
EDIT: There could also be more fascism in the world. Maybe the Nazi ideology in Germany could've survived until the present under a leadership of someone else. We simply cannot know for sure.
KeraKitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First they came for the immigrants.
How much more does Trump have to do before the nation at large sees what he is? The Muslim registry is the yellow star of our day and yet so many see no problem. Now this?
DAGRIT5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump eats food and breaths air...SO DID HITLER!!!
Iwanttobedelivered ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg... Hitler did the same?!?! I'm terrified (I'm not)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:41:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good person can do bad things, and a bad person can do good things.
The fucking Hitler reference is getting really old.
The leftist realize that Hitler held a leftist government, right? Socialism isn't a right wing thing.
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the Bolsheviks are now being socialist and not communist? This is news to me.
psychotichorse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:21:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It always makes me laugh when idiots think the national socialist party was a socialist government form. Like did you not listen at all in high school history, did you not have access to the history channel or books? National socialism =/= socialism.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It always makes me laugh when idiots on Reddit try to correct me and embarrass themselves.
-Bernie Sanders... wait... no... that was Hitler on May 1st, 1927.
Do you want me to tell you how he socialized construction jobs, education, healthcare, advocated for abortion, implemented stronger gun control, created a police state, and blamed the
one percentJews for all their society's shortcomings? Or do you understand you're fighting an uphill argument while towing your broken down moped behind you.psychotichorse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The Nazis opposed all traditional socialism, wanting to substitute something they called โGerman socialismโ or โAryan socialism.โ This meant citizenship and privileges only for โAryansโ (meaning non-Jews), concentration camps for others." According to the "The Cambridge Illustrated History of Germany," Hitler joined the German Workersโ Party in 1919, the year before the partyโs decision to add National and Socialist to its name. At the time, according to the book, supporters included "well-placed anti-Semites and extreme nationalists" who hoped to gain influence over members of the working class; Hitler, a spellbinding orator, became the partyโs chairman in 1921. Another book, "A Brief History of Germany," says the Naziโs "appealed to a broad swath of the German population, attracting fervent nationalists and radical conservatives, as well as those who hated the Versailles settlement, feared the communists, or despised the Jews."
You guys love to change history. National Socialism =/= socialism, that is an outright lie conservatives have loved telling for years now. Because you guys hate facts, you just re-write history in your heads and try and pass it off as fact. But any scholar of history or political theory will tell you that what you said is just plain false. That dreamworld you live in must be something else, a dumbshit utopia where only the dumb survive. That's why you guys have been curtailing the teaching of civics and history in classrooms, an uneducated populace is a conservative one.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:35:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I didn't even read anything you wrote after I saw politifact.
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psychotichorse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:24:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are so soft. Anything that disagrees with you and it's false. Sad little brain you have.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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UltrafastFS_IR_Laser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler's regime was a right-wing totalitarian regime with some minor left wing economic policies. A left-wing totalitarian would be Mao. Do you even know history?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes..yes.. keep telling yourself that.
An example of a right wing authoritarian would be Pinochet.
UltrafastFS_IR_Laser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That info just proved my point..
RedditMapz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:30:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be getting old, yet it is getting more accurate by the day.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Reddit Left is throwing away history books now, too?
Picture my surprise.
psychotichorse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:23:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who doesn't understand basic differences in government forms accusing liberals of not reading a book. Look in the mirror bozo.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:51:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're called burners Charlie, and they're a very specific sect of low-class! That's felon-class, Charlie!
kalikalirootroot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give you two bad things for every good thing Trump has done.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has been in office for less that a week.
It would all be perspective. I agree with most of what he's done.
kalikalirootroot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's recap. Since taking office on Friday afternoon, Trump's has:
Removed all references to Civil Rights and LGBT rights from the White House website.
Removed all references to Climate Change from the White House website.
Removed all Spanish language content from the White House website.
Frozen all EPA grants and forbidden the EPA from awarding any new contracts.
Placed gag orders on the EPA and USDA that forbids their employees from talking to the media about anything.
Banned all federal agencies from posting on social media about anything.
Instituted a federal hiring freeze that prevents every federal agency, even your local post office, from hiring any new employees.
The military and the Department of Homeland Security are exempted, of course.
Re-instituted and strengthened a global gag order on abortion information.
Nominated a man who said he wants to eliminate the Department of Energy to head the Department of Energy.
Nominated a woman who said she wants to eliminate public education to head the Department of Education.
Retroactively declared January 20, 2017 "National Day of Patriotic Devotion."
Nominated a man who wants to eliminate net neutrality to head the FCC.
Signed a bill that hikes FHA mortgage rates for poor people.
Signed executive actions to push through construction of the deeply unpopular Dakota Access and Keystone oil pipelines.
Ordered his press secretary to lie to the press about the size of his inaugural crowd.
Acted like a toddler at his first press conference as President, also at his speech to the CIA.
Said his first overseas trip might be to visit with Vladimir Putin.
Introduced the phrase "alternative facts" into the public discourse.
Told congressional leaders that 3 million "illegal votes" cost him the popular vote in the election, then had his press secretary double-down on the claim the following day, and now has Congress investigating his baseless claims.
Said in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News: "I've spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago, with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked them the question, 'Does it work? Does torture work?' And the answer was yes. Absolutely."
Claimed in an on-camera interview with David Muir of ABC News that not a single one of the 3-5 million "illegal votes" he alleges were cast in the 2016 election were cast for him.
Threatened martial law in Chicago via a twitter post.
Signed an executive order commanding his administration to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants, which is something Hitler did.
Do you agree with most of that?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So because it's not on the website anymore, that means he doesn't believe in civil rights or LGBT rights anymore despite what he said on his campaign?
There is a lot of controversy over Climate Change. I'll leave references so you don't think this is some grand Right Wing conspiracy. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 this is in particular shows less than 45% of scientist believe in Man Made Climate Change 13 14 15
And I would urge you to read more than the headlines, or have a quick comeback that is refuted in one of those articles.
English is the most recognized language in the world and is the unofficial language of the US. Why have Spanish?
Probably because they've become partisan and have had a good amount of scandals under Obama? 1 2 3
And I just want to point out that Link 1 is EPA covering up environmental damage done by fracking..
Because every federal agency should be politicized right? Surely you'll want tweets from the EPA once Trump runs it, right?
1 2 That's why.
You actually said this. You really think we should drop our entire security system because the post office can't hire new employees.
Because half the country doesn't believe in abortion. I don't care either way, but it's a politicized issue. Also, don't get pregnant if you don't want a baby.
He also has a 70% approval rating in Russia. But I'm going to guess that you know nothing about Russia's relationship to China, or China's military expansion into the Pacific Ocean that threatens the security of 3 allied countries in the region. Surely Trump is just going to Russia so he and Vlad can hire hookers to pee on things.
1 Oh look. He says that and then this study comes out. Surely his hyperbole isn't based in reality.
I didn't see where he threatened martial law, I saw where he threatened to send in the Feds. Honestly, it's a good idea. 1 2 3
I'm not going to go through every single point you made, I'm at work and have already shown that your objections aren't necessarily based on reason. I'm not saying Trump is a saint. The consensus with the right is that we voted for him over Hillary, now we need to watch him. The consensus on the left apparently is cry wolf as much as possible so that they get ignored after 6 months.
kalikalirootroot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also deleted an apology that was put up a few months ago for no reason. He's said TONS of homophobic things throughout the campaign. Holding a flag doesn't mean shit.
First study written by someone who doesn't believe that smoking kills people, and has no degree in science.
Second one supports climate change lol
Third one still doesn't cite any research
Fourth one is from 2009. There's been a lot more research since then and 2014, 15, and 16 have broken records set by any other year.
All of those just seem like articles about people instead of actual studies.
Spanish is the second most used language. Why remove it?
They sure as hell shouldn't be gagged.
Even after reading those, I don't see the problem with what Obama did. Freezing hiring was just stupid.
I have no argument to this if you think that way. You're just wrong.
Russia is a dictatorship that kills reporters and uses propaganda to get approval ratings.
You might want to read this The author of the study that Trump is citing says that Trump is citing it wrong and that he never claimed anything like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, this takes a lot of scrolling lol
At this point, we're probably going to have to cite everything claim we make unless it's an opinion. My Opinion - I'm assuming that Trump is dictating orders to his administration and not doing all these changes himself so I'm inclined to believe his most recent statement on LGBT. However, Trump had to make a lot of deals to become president, and one of those was selecting Mike Pence as VP. I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Pence was pushing anit-LGBT sentiment. It's what makes the most sense.
I would ask you to actually pay attention to what I listed. Some are sources backing my claim, some are context to the argument some of my sources are making. Either way, it proves my point that there is not uniformity on the issue of Climate Change, especially Man Made Climate Change. Even if you're correct in Man Made Climate Change, IPCC and others have muddied the waters with data manipulation and scandals that it would be hard to tell what the truth is. Sources were in the ones above. Also, you can't just disregard articles about corruption in the Climate Change movement because they're not specific scientific rebuttals to climate data.
Because you're legally required to know English to become an American by immigration, excluding the anchor baby loop hole.
They shouldn't be politicized at all is the point. As for the gag order, 1
Donald Trump was elected by a majority of Republicans. Republicans do not like large federal government. Obama increased the federal government. What do you think Republicans want Trump to do? Government is horribly inefficient 1 .
I think you're wrong. My opinion has always been that if the baby can survive outside the mother, killing it is the same as taking a human life. Babies can survive as early as 21 weeks 1 . So why let people have abortions after that period? Before then, it's moot and I don't offer an opinion, but I would follow human conscientiousness as the marker for the beginning of human life.
I would really want credible sources for that claim. I'm a fan of Russia. There is a gigantic divide in cultures, but the people are extraordinarily nice and humble. The government isn't some overwhelming figure there. I recommend that you go, but be sure to get an invitation from a hotel first. It's required.
Well then why don't we have an investigation into California as a sample then? The worst it's going to do is make Trump look silly, and at best, it will fix voter fraud, which happens a lot more than was claimed prior to the election.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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psychotichorse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo only if you are a jackass and don't understand the difference in the two government forms.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could say the same thing about not understanding the differences in Trump and Hitler...
psychotichorse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pointing out that there is a similarity in the action isn't calling him Hilter. You can say things are similar and that's why they are bad, not that he is actually Hitler.
jaap27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump ate breakfast this morning. Hitler did the same.
Ad Hitlerum at its finest!
deltadal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... Hitler did what this morning?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, this subreddit is such a fucking joke.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kyle273 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:21:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order reads:
Full text (FOX)
I don't see undocumented in there.
ryokineko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so what? that doesn't change the meaning. What is the point of publishing such a list? legal immigrants and US citizens commit those crimes as well. It does nothing except to gin up hatred toward undocumented immigrants and push a narrative about how 'dangerous' they are when in fact they are not more dangerous than anyone else.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/03/donald-trump/trump-leaves-out-context-claim-about-immigrants-an/
daner92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, so he can scapegoat them for all of our real or perceived problems like you know...oh nevermind...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scapegoat by reporting their convicted crimes? Illegal immigrants that murdered people? What gives you the right to say their lives are better than your countrymen's who were murdered, and try to force that belief on others?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:13:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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daner92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please make a list of what you perceive to be our top 5 problems.
If criminal immigrants crack the top 5, then you are being manipulated by those that which to vilify the other.
A9LH ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Hitler permitted any illegal immigrant to live inside Germany.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Featuringlouonkazoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't permit it... that's why they're called illegal immigrants. Somewhere in the past 30 years we decided to stop enforcing the laws. That ends now.
RubMyCactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump drank water. So did Hitler
coincidence?? I think not!
InSOmnlaC ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:02:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump = white male
Hitler = white male
Therefore, Trump = LITERALLY HITLER! /S
pinball_schminball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once again, fulfilling the role of Fascist Dictator
gavdaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does the list also include the immigrants who gave the natives smallpox and also kidnapped, enslaved, murdered them and stole their land? Or was that not all able to fit on the list?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:58:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike the natives, we are going to take care of the problem before it takes care of us
gavdaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... it's not on the list then?
italianfatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SMH. Ho the hell did we get here? I'm still reeling. Doesn't anyone read a f*cking history book anymore. Oh, wait most Trump voters can't read anyway. As soon as he screws his base, which wont be long, it will be fun.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're in for an interesting 4 years here, years that will force us to stand up to Trump and his follower's bullying, controlling, probably sadistic behavior, and unfortunately, laws and executive actions. And completely unnecessary belligerence with both allies and enemies, except Russia for some reason. Plus all the rampant corruption, that's already out of control 4 days in. The clamp down on science, the press, plus personal attacks on "enemies" (anyone who disagrees with him or makes him feel sad). And more... We can only hope it won't last 4 years.
The damage Trump and his crew will do is going to be very real, and not good for us. We're going to have to live with the consequences of these extremely selfish, extremely entitled people who do not give a damn about us. We'll be stinking in their shit, and they'll be flying away in their helicopters holding onto sacks of money. Great deal we're getting here.
Why would we give over our fates in this country to these friggin' people? There are people out there thrilled with Trump's useless, expensive, and vindictive crackdown on immigrants -- these are people whose main interest in life is hating others. I've met them, total Trump diehards, they care more about hating and dominating other people to the exclusion of everything else in the world.
Why the fuck would we give all the power in our country, and over our lives, to these people? It's pure self-destruction, we're not going to get anything good out of this, unless you're really into this hate shit, or are incredibly corrupt.
It's a great time to be alive if you're one of those people, I guess. But that's not how I want things to be.
c1327745 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is going to drink water. Hitler did the same.
Ryepodz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay what can I do as I citizen to stop this
Baricuda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's blatantly using scare tactics...
PatrioticPomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants. Important distinction.
BitchesGetStitches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a good time to remind people that Donald Trump has been open about his respect and admiration for Hitler?
I don't think Trump is about to stage a holocaust, but he is following the fascism playbook pretty closely.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:52 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is literally Hitler?
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, America is literally Nazi Germany though ? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
ForeTheTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrant.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
ForeTheTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well detaining aliens phrase only applies to illegals so it seems you are incorrect
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. The language is vague enough to drive a truck through.
ForeTheTime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really wasn't.
docboz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea and according to buzzfeed opening a position strictly to anyone who isn't white isn't racist. Fucking losers in this sub...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you are, but what am I!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:58:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fucking loser.
four_legs_good_dude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sub has become creepily cultish.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you're just being silly... a ban-worthy offense over in Donald-land.
four_legs_good_dude ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you're probably right. Drumpf is bad. Something something, racist. John Oliver is a wonderful, insightful individual. Xenophobia.
Am I doing /r/politics right?
bbshabob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing a few things. Just add a "Da comrade /s" and then call trump a puppet and you're good to go.
Snukes_Away ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't forget to throw in an "alternative facts" reference and the word "fascist" somewhere just to be sure.
frappucin0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of nazi sympathizers in this threat all making the same Trump defense is friggin unreal. It's like he found the most socially outcasted, angst-filled, redneck white guy and cloned him millions of times.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all the same comment too.
"Hitler ALSO drank water" and LITERALLY HITLER are two comments I've seen almost a hundred times each in this one comment section.
projectgenesis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:07:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump breathes air. Hitler and all the Nazis did the same.
elit3powars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:51:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he also going to do the things hitler did? These comparisons are just so stringy and pointless. I get it, Reddit is left, I would say I sway left as well. But come on people. BREAKING: Trump goes to the toilet! You know who else went to the toilet? STALIN AND HITLED AND PUTIN! It's crazy. I completely expect downvotes considering the subreddit but please just try harder next time? This shit is tackier than most T_D posts. This doesn't need to be a shitpost war
What I mean is, this headline really could of done without the Hitler reference. Trump isn't a nice guy in my opinion but he's not exactly Hitler. Calling him hitler is understating the crimes that Hitler did.
Wombizzle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:05:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He were go with the Hitler thing again...
deltadal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:05:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mustache fits...
MaSuprema ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jews were not migrants- illegal or otherwise. They were, until the Nazis decided otherwise, legitimate citizens.
Not agreeing with what Trump is doing, just saying it's not an apt comparison. Trump doesn't even say if this is specifically about illegals, or just immigrants in general.
michaellambgelo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've refrained from directly comparing Trump to Hitler for a long time. I was afraid of being the boy who cried Hitler.
But now it's real. Now we have an authoritarian in power, and despite his obvious disqualifications he's still got followers who justify his every move.
mirkwood11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This man is legitimately mentally unstable.
It's frightening that people are okay with this shit!
Artie_Fufkin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear to you the first time I see Trump send an immigrant to the gas chamber I'll start caring about these comparisons.
PrimateJohnLewis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and Obama breathed air, JUST LIKE HITLER DID!!
MrTex007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's so wrong about this?
elcheeserpuff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't there a weekly list being published of whites and the crimes they've committed?
MrTex007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can look up crimes by different ethnic groups. That's how we know black in black crime. You can look up white crimes but it's not as interesting.
elcheeserpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a weekly report from the president of the united States and you know it. Quit being intentionally obtuse to try to win an argument. It's painfully petty.
MrTex007 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally would like to know the statistics of the crime rates concerning illegal immigrants. Yall get mad when Trump says criminals are coming over, let him prove his point so it can stop being disputed or prove yalls point, either way.
elcheeserpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're intentionally avoiding my original question.
MrTex007 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This help you out?
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=datool&surl=/arrests/index.cfm#
elcheeserpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a weekly report coming directly from the PotUS. I take this to mean you're unable to answer my question.
WhiteLycan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:23:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was a vegetarian. Do we now call all vegetarians Hitler?
shitsinyoursafespace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:33:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also drank water.
booobp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly after seeing what one of my European friends sent me of how fucked up and violent the the Muslim refugees are there, I feel like more people should support this guy. Even when I'm against this weirdo, I'm starting to side with him.
They breed like rats and anyone who's not of their religion is the enemy. They've fucked up India, but Hindus fight back since they have numbers too.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breeding like rats and viewing anyone who isnt their religion as an enemy applies to evangelicals as well.
theinternetwatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please, PLEASE, I beg you liberals, please keep comparing Trump to Hitler. It helps his reputation immensely and makes you all look insane. Mid term elections will be a breeze.
xoogl3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh... yeah we know his reputation is amazing from the surveys asking people about his reputation. Tremendous reputation. The best... best ever. No president had a reputation like this.
gabehuskey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys,
Hitler: Published photos because they were JEWISH and he hated them.
Trump: Wants to publish a list because they are ILLEGAL and he wants to protect our nation..
The Illegals are literally committing a crime 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
The Jews were just living there legally.
There's no discrimination in what trump is doing, just statistics and wanting to protect our country and our people. Hitlers was pure discrimination.
I believe this article just wants to divide our people even further and it is sad. Very sad.
Babbit_B ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:44:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if the rest of your post weren't xenophobic rubbish, there is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
gabehuskey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
XENOPHOBIA: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.
How is my comment this?
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't think that's xenophobic, I don't know what to tell you. However, are you going to address my actual point, which is that there is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants?
gabehuskey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realize that by standing on American soil, they are committing a crime? And they are standing on American soil 24/7. Therefore that is FACTUAL, not xenophobic.
Regarding your point, it does appear they used the term "aliens", which leaves some confusion. I believe it will later be clarified that they mean illegal aliens, not all aliens. But you're right, there is some discrepancy and I guess we will find out shortly. I didn't get to watch the press briefing with spicer today, so maybe it was clarified then...
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes. I'm sure they didn't have any lawyers look over the wording at all. Grab a clue. It's intentionally vague.
gabehuskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not so quickly move past the fact that I TOTALLY proved your Xenophobic comment wrong. You lost your credibility the moment you started inaccurately name calling.
Just wait, the media will freak out and ask... it will be clarified.
Babbit_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't tell the difference between name-calling and a description of your political position, huh? Trump wants to build a wall to keep Mexicans out. He wants to put Muslims on a registry. He has made it very, very clear that it's America first (ha!) and the rest of the world can get fucked. He's a xenophobe, and if you uncritically support his policies (which you appear to), so are you. Yes, it is an unpleasant word. But it's not name-calling - it simply describes an unpleasant worldview. If that's what you believe, man up and have the courage of your convictions.
gabehuskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, it's okay to be proven wrong and admit it. You still have provided no evidence backing up your claim that my post was xenophobic. And you will sidestep this again with your next response.
I have an open mind when I debate and when enough evidence is presented against my opinion, I will change it. Obviously facts aren't enough to change yours (specifically speaking about this argument), so why should I even try to debate you?
In closing, I did want to mention that America has a process, a set of laws, for allowing Mexicans, and anyone for the matter, to come in to our country. Trump does not want to build the wall to keep Mexicans out. I REPEAT, America (pre trump) has laws for allowing them in, and those laws will remain. They should be followed, because they are the law. That is why trump is building the wall. Because our laws are not being enforced. It's fact that many of these illegals have committed violent crimes, including murder and rape. These facts are why President Trump wants to build the wall. For the protection of American citizens. Please just think about what I said for a second! Forget about any political narratives and just look at this for what it is.
That's all I have to say about this so it's been a pleasure debating with you.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I admire that in a person, and that being the case, I ask you to look at some non-partisan information about what's happening. Going to the Whitehouse website and reading the actual text of Trump's executive orders would be a good start - you can find them under "Briefing Room". Read the wording and do some independent research on issues like climate change,Trump's gagging of the EPA, and the Mexico City Policy to counteract the spin you're being fed by the_donald.
AnderBRO2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just all too much. I just want a fucking mundane day. as a early 90's baby, I've done my part by voting. I've done nothing to deserve this. I voted against this as an act by voting for Bernie Sanders. Where am I going next?
hrlngrv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a list of all lawsuits filed against Trump and his children?
Would this list show convicted immigrants or just indicted immigrants?
HalvstenLangballe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were, iirc, 12 attempts on Hitler's life, none succeded. After ww2, we have been much more efficient in those cases.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See Castro
MoreTuple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I rarely go all Godwin's law but this is getting to be a bit much even for me.
ratatat213 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We spend a lot of time talking about the terrible actions of Trump, but I find very few comments that talk about actions we can take to make the changes we want to see. Our words have to be backed up by action.
What are some realistic actions that we can take within our own neighborhoods and communities to start the grassroots movement and make our country the place it should be?
I want to see a collective Reddit brainstorming session on this.
Evil_Bettachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, the Two Minutes Hate.
greatest_fapperalive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SO... I hear all this talk but... what is to stop him FROM becoming another Hitler? Surely the GOP would eventually step up and prevent even the most grievous crimes being committed and call for impeachment, right? Like friends of mine see the and wonder if one day we'll all be rounded up for speaking out.
Morial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this legal?
jaybigs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is it will be crimes of illegal aliens listed, so do these illegal aliens have any real expectations for protection under laws designed for legal residents and citizens?
DarkestEmbers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the order does not contain the word "illegal". "Alien" refers to a citizen of another country and has no bearing on whether or not they are here illegally.
Doctor_YOOOU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone want to work together to publish a list of crimes by Donald and GOP Congress people?
MoltenUniverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Citizens of any country commits those crime as well.
joondori21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Are we living in Nazi Germany?" โ Donald J. Trump
couggod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am physically sick after reading that.
judgej2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump! Just like the Nazis!
MJamesK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We somehow need to counter with a similar list of crimes committed by U.S. Citizens.
Donald_Has_NPD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler Did It!
http://imgur.com/t4HEW29
DizzyedUpGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he going to include the crimes of his wife?
feelingmyage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if kids still say this but, takes one to know one!
WolfNippleChips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To quote a tweet by DJT; "What is this, Nazi Germany?"
Logaz140 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who are we to criticize an American for emulating their role model.
/s
I_posted_it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll get the ball rolling. http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2014/05/nicolas_dutan_guaman_sentenced.html
seyss2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he can't?
bluemandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a non-Clinton voter, can I start calling Nazi yet?
bailey25u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do disagree with this, I believe that this makes it seem like immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than citizens, or that we should stereotype immigrants as criminals....
However, I think putting on the Hitler comment on the end just takes away from any legitimate debate we could have about the issue
Drunken_Black_Belt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For years I hated whenever someone's criticism of a politician was that they were "Hitler" or becoming a "fascist dictator". It seemed like such a cop out and low hanging fruit.
And now I see it happening before my eyes and I wonder if I'm just as crazy to them or if this is all for real
ohuiywdaasfdhksfdahk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump eats apples. Hitler did the same.
Funklestein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler wore pants! Trump wears pants! Don't you people see it?!
BlueTeamTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only a matter of time until before he creates his own SS!!! right guys??! They're gonna round us up and throw us into concentration camps ๐ญ๐ญ
SCM1992 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is faulty reasoning...if Hitler said 2+2=4 he wouldn't be wrong because he's Hitler
bulla564 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A list of white collar crimes by his buddies next?
sloptopinthedroptop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this will be good to have this data. i wonder how it will compare in % to US citizen crimes
peteypete420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I need a decent read on Hitler. Anyone have suggestions? I'm not really a history reader, and would not be wanting the most in depth tomb on him. But I really need to look at what he did to gain power, and about his early reign.
I havent read it myself, but someone at work mentioned hitler having quieted scientists early on. Any one know about that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
FaithIsToBeAwake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone link me to evidence of this "The Criminal Jew" newspaper in the article? I can't find any mention of it anywhere else on the Internet except for this paragraph long article without any citations, and some picture without context or interpretation from this Christopher Hooton guy.
mohrme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well if you think this to the logical conclusion, then just about every crime will be published. my family immigrated in the 17th century, my husbands in the 20th. Very few of us are native.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no he isn't , Hitler never said the intelligence community in America were like Nazi germany ! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Donnadre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like his chief adviser is a white supremacist running a Nazi playbook.
Or as Samantha Bee said: "That Goldman Sachs worm-tongue (Steve Bannon) who's telling you what to say is filling you mouth with more Nazi code than Enigma."
NagareBoshi789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man Donald trump is a hitler wanna be
MachoManRandySalad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad we'll be able to track and keep tabs on rape culture. Fucking white males
GettingRidOfTheLies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't he look drunk as shit in that pic?
hammerertv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this similar to the war on crime that has been conducted on the black population since slavery was abolished so long ago? I mean, I feel like the American government tried pretty hard to paint black people as criminals and then started a war against criminals. If a country has things like 3 strike laws and minimum sentencing, than that country is already in a lot of trouble. But true, keep comparing Trump to Hitler, when your country has been doing Hitler like things for generations. Maybe look past Trump to the establishment itself. Please, don't get me wrong, I am not a Trump fan. But I am a fan of truth and an enemy of propaganda. You can't just say look at what this guy did that was the same as this other bad guy, THE END IS NIE. Please be serious with these topics, they should not be taken so lightly.
Just my two cents though, I hope someone can put a nicer spin on things than I have. It would be nice to see a more apathetic side to this argument that wasn't written with as much emotion as mine was, hahaha.
Wizowski_m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like he has a checklist of everything hitler did and is checking them off one by one.
Bighawke5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poeple are just waiting until it's too late to start doing anything...Just like they waited until Trup got elected to massively protest against him and his rethorics....Had they done this prior people would have been more devoted to not "not" vote because this election always had world changing stakes at it's results if Trump was to win....people Always reacting too late....Watch people won't do what's necessary until we hear he's gathered up immigrants or prisoners somewhere and gassed them somewhere in a blacksite just cuz he saw it in a movie or tv show...inline with where he gets all his policy ideas..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally?
AbsentThatDay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember what Dylan Roof said brought about his belief in white supremacy? It was that he'd googled "black crime", and found a bunch of white supremacist sites online.
I'm a bit torn about this, I know the government publishes yearly data about the demographics of crime for race, and Trump's executive order isn't much different than that. It's difficult to rail against having these statistics available, when I routinely look over the FBI crime stats.
If Trump had come out and said he wanted weekly reports on police accused of corruption, I don't think I'd have blinked. It's very difficult to look at this objectively. Despite that, this raises alarm bells, for the same reasons that the article's author mentions.
xoogl3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:24:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statistics vs lists. Huuuuuuuge difference. It's the difference between Google publishing something like "90% of men search for porn" vs "Here's a list of all men from Mariposa county who have searched for porn". All perfectly legal. But do you want to be on that list?
the_deepest_toot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two minutes of hate?
TRUMPISAPHUCKTARD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh.... Someone's been reading Mein Kampf or at lest the Cliffnotes version.
oldspeech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:42:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler killed innocent civilians with bombs, Obama did the same. DAE OBAMA = HITLER?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ryokineko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:34:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it doesn't matter. immigrants, illegal immigrants and citizens all commit crimes and there is no evidence to suggest that illegal immigrants commit more crime (other than being here illegally of course) than others do. It is simply meant to push a narrative that they are dangerous.
TylrLS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:36:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the Jews were legal citizens. Illegal immigrants are not.
Hewgag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also breathed air.... guess we're all Hitler.
PMmeBoobsImRich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:36 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, so /r/politics has gotten so bad that the new sources are literally opinion blogs of Reductio ad Hitlerum
Why even have this subreddit any longer if it is just one huge circle jerk of people latching onto whatever they can find to confirm their own bias. Of course I know I'll be downvoted into oblivion for not joining in the circle jerk, oh well.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nope https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants or illegal immigrants? Leave immigrants alone, they are as true an American as any of us and should be welcomed. Illegal immigrants on the other hand can seriously go fuck themselves.
Edit: That's a great misleading title. Article says ILLEGAL immigrants and not regular legal immigrants. In which case I do not believe Hitler did the same, he was about keeping Germany "pure" as in no immigrants at all. In which case the article is complete trash because the premise is false.
Cyuen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? Because the article clearly state trump's statement did NOT CLARIFY whether he's targeting just illegal or including legal immigrants.
Can you read?
Daverost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants. It's always been illegal immigrants. No one has ever had any problem with legal immigrants, but confusing the two on purpose makes for an easy way to cry "racist" and stop a discussion from happening so people will do it anyway as an easy way out.
Babbit_B ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:14 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong. There is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
Babbit_B ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:55:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
_CallMeCisMale_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:06:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama breathes. Hitler did the same.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
ajt1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is wrong with this sub? I've seen at least 3-4 literal suggestions that someone should assassinate the President, all highly upvoted. Are you people really this delusional?
I mean my god, you cry fascism and then advocate killing your political opponents.
deadpear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You misspelled traitor (maybe, lets let the intelligence people complete their investigation and determine he is culpable before we ask for the death penalty).
ajt1296 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is the biggest problem in American politics: demonizing the other side of the coin.
We're all on the same team, here.
deadpear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's establish that Trump is playing for our side before we pat him on the shoulder...he already called me his enemy once.
xoogl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In his new year wishes, no less.
DodgerDoan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:12 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look, another useless article trivializing Hitler and firing out buzzer words for hysterical leftists looking for their echo chamber.
homefree122 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be /r/politics if there wasn't at least one front page post comparing President Trump to Hitler.
YourLocalMonarchist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
woah woah woah, Bernie can still win!
homefree122 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:41:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"10 ways Bernie can still be President" -Buzzfeed
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:42:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that looks good.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Trump but this is ridiculous.
Lego_Lizard ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yeah be careful. Tump sure is Hitler, isn't he? This is laughable.
PincheVatoWey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This week we are shining the spotlight on the son of an immigrant. This country gave him everything. Yet this individual has been accused of sexual assault by multiple woman, and he brags about his sexual exploits and how "they'll let you do anything" if you have money. This untermench must be sent back!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how about a list of all the crimes and fucked up shit white people do?
tondollari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also liked sugar, and trump is often seen eating sugary foods. Coincidence?
Evil_ivan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow very original.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is VERY different to Hitler cause Hitler didn't compare American intelligence agencies to Nazi Germany see ! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
williesleg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see it all the time in our local paper, the police blotter.
Don't understand those who want to protect the criminals.
I remember when my credit card got stolen. The guy was using it to pay his cable and electric bill!!! WTF!!! I called the local police (in that state) and they didn't care. I had the guy's address!!! Called the credit card company and they don't enforce laws.
And so now our credit card interest is around 23% so we can cover for all these crooks.
But I don't mind if the crooks are stealing for their small kids. That'd be ok.
RogerWilco357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally Hitler. No really, Trump is LITERALLY Adolf Hitler. Trump is also a Nazi. No really he is actually for real, literally the leader of the National Socialist German Worker's Party. I'm serious. He is.
the_real_MSU_is_us ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Donald Trump is going to publish a list of crimes committed by immigrants. Hitler did the same"
"Donald Trump is going to increase the military budget. Hitler did the same"
"Donald Trump is going to enact a large infrastructure plan. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to provide federal maternity leave. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to establish free child care centers. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to nationalize healthcare. Hitler did the same"
"Hillary Clinton is going to enact a gun registry. Hitler did the same"
"X candidate is going to Y. Hitler did the same"
There are many things Hitler did. Many of them are things liberals support, many of them were things conservatives support. News flash: not every little similarity between Trump and X candidate means X candidate is a genocidal racist. Not every little law Hitler passed was even a bad thing in and of itself
I swear, this sub is a total parody of itself
DrChez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing the whole tone of their campaigns were the same, right down to the blind nationalism and "believe me, I'll get it done"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kirbychwan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to get to that point for you to do anything about it? The point is to stop it BEFORE it gets to that point, and this policy is a not so subtle first step in precisely that direction.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Godwin's Law exists for a reason.
Trump isn't going to kill 6 million jews... it's not going to "get to that point", ever-- so it'll never be something you'll need to stop. It's just fear mongering to make the comparison.
Kirbychwan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:42 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me be clear, even without the Hitler comparison, this policy he is proposing is an incredibly fascist action, and I don't mean that figuratively, I mean it literally.
It's not good, and you shouldn't pretend to know that it doesn't get worse, because it is bad NOW.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol ok.
Just... dude. He's been in office for a week. How can it be "bad" now when there hasn't even been time for him to get things changed. You seriously need a chill bro, and I don't mean that figuratively, I mean it literally.
Kirbychwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you hit yourself in the head with a rock every election to forget everything you knew about the candidate that just got voted in? (Wait, don't answer that.)
I'll give you points for the really weird mental gymnastics, though. 8.5.
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the issue. All you folks know about Hitler is genocide. If you had educated yourself in some history up to this point you would realize that Trump is using the exact same kind of manipulation that Hitler did. Telling a bunch of scared sheltered people that their problems actually come from minorities and only blind support for him and your country will save you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you had educated yourself on how internet works, you'd realize how ridiculous it is to Godwin as a political argument. You talk about fear mongering, but all I see in this thread is people fear mongering about Trump.
You want to know something else? Up until very recent decades, the U.S. DID tabulate immigrant crime (don't have reference off hand, but we talked about this in my Am. Hist. class a while ago). Yet nobody called previous presidents Hitler, even though Trump is literally proposing the same thing.
It's cringe like this ("Trump is literally Hitler!" and "OMG He's Going to Nuke Europe!11") that completely turns off conservatives from having a conversation. Believe it or not, there ARE actually lots of common ground that you can find with conservatives to put pressure on Trump for some issues.
For example, I strongly disagree with Trump's recent statement on Chelsea manning. But fuck off if you think I'm going to protest with you on this issue if your rallying cry is "Trump is hitler neonazi all white men are racist REE!!11"
Liberals SERIOUSLY need to learn to respectfully engage without bullshit hyperbole if they want to have a conversation.
the_real_MSU_is_us ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama ran on "hope and change". Trump was "make America great again". both of those convey the same "trust in me, I will change things for the better". Hillary's slogan was "I'm with her".
Honestly, none of those 3 are very different: they all center on bling trust of the candidate to lead us to a better place. Trumps implies he will make us stronger, Obamas implied he'd take us to a utopia, Hillaries implies she's a visionary we can trust to lead us. All of those are vague, and all of them center on the greatness of the candidate. All 3 have the same amount of "believe in me, I'll get it done" to use your words
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frappucin0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:41:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that your default reaction to dissatisfaction with government is buying guns and ammo indicates you might need psychological evaluation and/or treatment.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental health professional here. It is. Factually speaking, the majority of my patients hold right wing ideas.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be merely dissatisfied with Hitler?
frappucin0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:28:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler is dead. I'm dissatisfied with my current government that is showing similarities to his early actions.
The reaction to that is the issue. Violence as a first reaction is never appropriate.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what a nice sentiment.
knee_growedz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:34:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet half the people in here are clamoring for trumps assassination!
frappucin0 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. There's lots of sick people out there.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't marginalize Hitler by stupidly comparing people to him. Given Hitler's actions during and before World War II, it would be wise for potential victims to be able to either flee the Carnage or fight back. That is a natural fight or flight response. So unless you consider Hitler to be just some regular not out of the ordinary bad guy, comparable to maybe a street Thug, then perhaps you are correct that buying guns and ammo is a bit paranoid. However I don't marginalize Hitler. I understand how significant it is to compare someone to Hitler. It seems that knowledge of Hitler and his actions has escaped the wisdom of the collective left.
frappucin0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trajectory has parallels so the comparison is still apt. It may be a bit extreme at this point but when someone is showing similar character traits you can correctly make projections.
Will he get that bad? It's a very small probability. Is there something in his character and actions that makes a resemblance? Sure is.
That's not really the issue I was pointing out though. The issue is your default reaction of deadly violence. That's never a valid response unless you still live in a cave.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:41 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of 'parallels' with anybody. They both breath air. They both have very passionate constituents. They both advocate social progress. i'm talking about Hitler....and Obama.
Was Obama Hitler? No. Is Trump Hitler? No. This entire conversation is strikingly silly for ANYBODY who has spent even more than a cursory look at Pre-WW2 German History.
Nataface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should post a list of Trump's crimes.
FxStryker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also allegedly like to be pee'd on.
capncuster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will it be accompanied by a list of crimes committed by Trump?
ryokineko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this real? I mean, what an incredibly misguided thing to do. Are we going to publish a list of the same crimes committed by non immigrants? It is nonsensical and does nothing but gin up hate for immigrants or supposed immigrants.
Kidtuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone certainly should. I guarantee the citizen list of criminals would be much longer.
thereasonableman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's see, his entire campaign was based around blaming different religions and ethnic groups for the nation's problems. It was driven by saying the biggest problems we face are Mexican immigrants, trade, and Muslims, when in reality, these are minor issues at best. The idea that NAFTA is this huge boogeyman that killed our economy is a complete joke and rejected by certainly the overwhelming majority, and probably all respected economists.
It is telling that all three of Trump's main issues relied on blaming the other and creating a dogmatically nationalistic mentality of America first.
He is a cult like figure in the eyes of his supporters. He alone can fix the countries woes. He is so beloved, he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and no one would care...hyperbolic but it's a telling quote.
He and his followers create conspiracy theories, much like Hitler did to scapegoat the Jews.
He has argued without evidence that
-Millions of illegals voted
-Obama is a secret Muslim from Kenya
-The polls were all rigged against him
-Global warming is a Chinese conspiracy
-His supporters have claimed Hillary has assassinated a DNC staffer.
-They also claim that Angela Merkel is allowing ISIS to operate so she can raise a secret EU army.
I'm not saying Trump is going to create concentration camps, but the comparisons to him and Hitler in terms of style of leadership are actually incredible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we also publish a list of crimes committed by citizens? You know, so we can actually compare?
What the press should actually do is publish a list of lies that Trump spoke each week.
almostagolfer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:56:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do publish all of the lies he speaks. We just can't pick out the published lies among all the bullshit that the media also publishes.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean front page section, every newspaper every week:
etc...
JasonBored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is very, very dangerous and completely beyond the pale. This will inspire vigilanteism and lead to senseless violence.
McCain and Graham (I guess?) need to nut up and come out swinging against this shit now. Trump is literally crossing every line, brazenly.
what2donz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never in my life have I experienced such incessant whining, 24/7, my God you are all over the top and it's leading to a total blow out in the Midterms. Dems better get their shit together and start talking about what THEY want to do instead of bitching and whining about Trump 24/7. Get a F&#! grip already.
taterdigginpants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think r/politics has replaced r/jokes as the #1 place to get some good laughs :D You guys are too much! Trump said we were going to get tired of winning! Love you guys here keep the good laughs coming! Thank you!!! :)
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal* immigrants
And they already committed a crime by coming here illegally in the first place.
didsomebodysaymyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So should we publish a list of crimes committed by legal residents to show that immigrants aren't any more dangerous?
qaaqa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's odd that people on this sub keep posting so many positive things about Hitler.
;-)
ThanksCrystals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we were to publish a list of weekly crimes committed by legal citizens, it'd be about the size of the white pages.
SevTheNiceGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
great idea..
he should also include
White people
Black People
Asian People
People that check the other box in the forms that ask about race.
ki11switch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also has said that they needed to ban firearms for the sake of the nations children. He also created the highway to easily move military cross country. Something the usa adopted for the same reason
__Clever_Username__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahahaha
daviskamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well i guess hes hitler
onwisconsin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:38 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeffrey Lords of CNN just spent several minutes repeating anecdotes about murders committed by immigrants. So it looks like his brown shirts in suits are already falling in line on this one. We can't have a substantive policy debate on this issue without trying to paint an entire group of people as murderers?
spidereater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps we should also publish lists of people killed by police? White men? Maybe just murders in states that voted republican. Crimes by dudes named Donald would probably be disturbing.
crusoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Publish a list of crimes by Trump. The it reason he can't be deported is he is a citizen.
novacham ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has been known to drink water. Who also enjoyed drinking water? You guessed it, Hitler!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'know, people clutched their pearls and admonished others for being panicky by comparing Hitler to the dreaded Khan... but then someone came along and knocked that guy off his throne and gave us all a new asshole to compare leaders too.
It's never a wise bet to assume history cannot top itself.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shittingjacket ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fluorine?
SmellyPeen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chlorine
https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/public/chlorine-disinfection.html
shittingjacket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is news to me. Thank you.
SmellyPeen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fluoride is for mind control though. It makes you more susceptible to the subliminal messages the USO sends through your microwave.
WeAllWillDie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternate facts
[deleted] ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 16:54:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why leave illegals out of the title? It's like they are trying to push a narrative or something
Angylizy ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:59:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not only illegals, he plans to publish the crimes of all immigrants.
PM-ME-YOUR-DICTA ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:02:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the order does not specify illegal immigrants. It refers to all immigrants.
UrukHaiGuyz ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:03:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could always try reading.
Final_Senator ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:05:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they wouldnt be a Trump supporter
whatwasigonnasay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:51:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they author could try writing an honest title. How about that?
UrukHaiGuyz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:52:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is dishonest about it? It's pretty literal.
whatwasigonnasay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Please enlighten me. Where did Trump say that he was doing this for ALL immigrants??
UrukHaiGuyz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:06:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could always try reading.
whatwasigonnasay ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:14:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the United States, an alien is "any person not a citizen or national of the United States."
You could always try not being a smug pseudo intellectual but hey, this is your echo chamber after all.
UrukHaiGuyz ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:19:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you understand the term "resident alien"? There are many non-citizens with legal status in the U.S.
Trump's "friend" the golfer Langer about whom he fabricated that voter fraud story is a prime example.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Arensen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are non-citizens with legal status in the united states (ie. resident aliens, tourists, athletes, etc.). Aliens is not a direct synonym.
yaosio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump should publish crimes of all white people.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:25:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do check your local crime blotter
yaosio ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:27:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also publish crimes of immigrants there, glad to see you agree Trump doesn't need to publish a list.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see you agree publishing it isn't hitlery behavior
yaosio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:15:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just said he shouldn't be publishing crimes that are in the local crime blotter.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. So Trump should be tweeting every crime done by white people.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too many to list.
clayshoaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also created highways
fedwards3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What part of illegal can't you get through your thick fucking skull?
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order didn't say illegal. The wording of the law is the part that matters, not what Donald fucking tells you. You should have learned after "I'll release my tax returns when I win" that Donald doesn't care to be honest with you
fedwards3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't give a fuck all about his tax returns.
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you don't. But some of us actually care that a president might be benefitting himself unjustly off of our backs. You probably wouldn't even look, given the chance, you don't want your world to crumble.
fedwards3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:48 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton is worth over $365 million dollars. She's never owned a business and has never sold one tangible product. You're telling me she sold words for $365 million? Suddenly you care about our leaders benefiting unjustly? gtfoh
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, I love this shit. You have to make up shit about what I believe just to have something to say. Instead of arguing against the imaginary characterization of me, saying "He's just like Hillary" no less lmao, how about you start caring about the actual health of the country.
fedwards3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is the amoxicillin this country needs, and in 3 days he's proved it. Every single move he's made thus far benefits the American people more than anyone else. He has shown he has nothing but our best interest in mind. We're fucking winning again. What more could you want?
Megacamz86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also breathed air.
Djole_Djole ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:24:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is going to clean his ass with the toilet paper next time he takes a shit. Hitler did the same.
zZ_Mr_Hanky_Zz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also built a massive highway system that still exists today. Is Eisenhower like Hitler then too? Hitler also had the Gestapo, who spied on German citizens similar to how Obama's NSA spies on Americans. Is Obama Hitler?
SaxonPimp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler inhaled and exhaled also. THE HORROR!!!
etherspin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:28 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the CIA and FBI and NSA also !
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-speaks-with-cia/514052/
Tmazza21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAE DRUMPF=HITLER?!?!!?? Comparing REAL crimes committed by people who have no right to be here in the first place to HITLER and JEWISH PEOPLE who's only crime was there religion. There's a difference between people who illegally entered the country and people peacefully practicing their religion. Hence illegal immigrant
daner92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone didn't read the article.
Hitler published the names of Jewish criminals to get the morons to believe that there was a crime wave committed by Jews and that they were inherently criminals to scapegoat them for the country's problems.
Still don't see any similarities to what is going on here?
Tmazza21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I realize how ignorant this sounds, but I don't need to read the article to know drumpf is not Hitler. I don't think the families who's children were killed by illegal immigrants should be ignored or considered morons.
I understand the left isn't exactly interested in the actions of a few, and aren't concerned with only a few murders. But ONE murder committed by someone with no legal right to be here is too many. One crime committed by someone who has no legal right to be here is too many.
We have our own crime, and our own problems we don't need to importing anybody else's. The Jewish people were living in Germany as recognized citizens of Germany and elsewhere. Illegal aliens circumvent the immigration system, allowing for zero vetting, and is a clear violation our immigration laws on their very entering into this country.
We have no problems with Mexicans or anybody who wants to come here Legally and contribute to our way of life. Think about it objectively not through the lense of Hitler and the Jews. Very different situation, and we just don't have a sovereign nation without sound immigration standards.
daner92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:45 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants have no natural right to be here. And the criminals should certainly get the boot.
The problem is the demonization of illegal immigrants as a tool to manipulate the masses into ignoring problems that the ruling class want ignored.
Hopefully you and others will keep an eye on that. Don't let Trump or anyone else scapegoat brown people for your problems and then ignore the financial system, healthcare, education, etc.
Tmazza21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude... that is LITERALLY what Obama and the ruling class have done for years! NO action, like nothing, 8 years and all we got was the unaffordable care act. Trump is days in and accomplishing soooo many of his campaign promises. He really isn't part of this faceless establishment that has ruled us for years. I won't defend his character but he is a citizen, FINALLY, and we love it!
I really want you to know that NONE of us, at least over at the_donald, or anyone I've ever met, despite what you may have heard, are letting or going to let someone scapegoat "brown people" into avoiding issues. We pride ourselves in not being sheeple and I'm a huge social liberal who would never let any innocent be persecuted for anything other than the make of their character. These illegal immigrants who happen to be "brown people" are part of the problem we want fixed, and Obama used your party's very valuable respect for human dignity and worry for the scapegoating of the little guys or anyone to avoid fixing the illegal immigration problem! Every issue connects and illegal immigration is HUGE for us on the right, but it's NOT because we're racists who hate seeing brown people in our country. That's an ignorant media interpretation of us and like you warned about, an opportunity to avoid the issue and just shrug and say it's racism.
We want everything fixed. Quick and efficiently which is why Hillary Clinton or any establishment crony is the LAST person we would vote for. Soooo many us are retired liberals who fled neoliberalism and couldn't be more proud of our president, but are ready to check him when appropriate.
Pleas reply if you see this, you seem very sensible in the fact that you understand illegal immigrants actually deserve to be deported if they're criminals, and I truly believe you have our new Trumpian conservatism misclassified.
cchris_39 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:42:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the Jews were not illegal immigrants. They were supposed to be there.
Try again.
Basedmobile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Committed by illegal aliens, not "immigrants"
Nice try, the title needs to be fixed, also comparing everyone/thing you don't like to hitler is getting old.
rwho77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where does it say anything about illegal aliens? The legal definition of alien includes tourists, guest workers, legal permanent residents and student visa resident aliens.
Basedmobile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right there in your snippet lol
subnu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aยทliยทen:
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
scooterthekid ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sub is fucking redundant and stupid. He isn't nor will he be anything like hitler. He might not be good but Jesus Christ stfu already with this fucking comparison.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You guys are fucking redundant and stupid. He isn't nor will he ever be anything like Pol Pot. He might not be good, but Jesus Christ shut the fuck up." -Someone in Germany 1933
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, I should've picked someone before Hitler, but you know what I mean.
scooterthekid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timeline doesn't add up but still that's hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oopsie daisy. But I agree, the Hitler comparisons are ridiculous. For him to be Hitler, the U.S. would have to be run like Germany. I'm confident we have enough checks & balances in place to avoid having a Hitler.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
obama invades 7 countries in 8 years, Hitler did the same.
but no one cares because mah narrative! REEEEEE!
iceworlock2 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegals not immigrants. Illegals
rnflhastheworstmods ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 19:25:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect and misleading title.
Immigrants =/= illegal immigrants.
Why is that distinction so hard for some people? Also, how the fuck is Jewish even close to illegal immigrant? Do you even realize how racist you're being OP? Likening Jews to illegal immigrants? The fuck is wrong with you?
conet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order specifies "aliens." Alien refers to any non-citizen, here legally or illegally. He's ordering they publish crimes committed by ALL non-citizen immigrants.
rnflhastheworstmods ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:37:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if crimes aren't fucking public knowledge anyways.
I can look up any county in America and see who got arrested yesterday. Who the fuck cares?
The worst part about this is likening jews to illegal immigrants. That is so fucking racist and disgusting.
Cyuen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People with logic cares. He's singling out immigrants, legal or illegal, in his statement. This isn't the same as writing reports on crimes committed by everyone.
This is exactly what the nazi did. Ffs the fact you can't see what is wrong with it scare the shit out of me.
I will use my last effort to talk some sense into you. To put it in context you understand, it's like a high school principle writing weekly reports on the wrong stuffs that Indian kids committed and share those reports to the entire school.
O wait, you are ok with that too? Nvm
rnflhastheworstmods ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Nazis did this to German Jews.
Why are you likening Jewish people to aliens? That's so racist, do you not see that?
Germany was their home. Why are you likening Jewish citizens to immigrants? That is beyond racist. My ancestors escaped Germany, I don't appreciate your racism in the slightest.
Is there a public report from all the other kids in that school? Like there is with crimes? No? It's just a stupid made up analogy? That's what I thought.
Cyuen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only one who is seeing race here is you. What people has problem with is that both trump and hilter single out a specific group of HUMAN BEINGS and turn other people against them. Hilter did that to Jews, and trump is doing that to immigrants.
It's amazing you twist this into a racial issue, then call others for being racist. This type of mental gymnastics is quite frankly, amazing.
I don't even know wtf you are talking about in the second half, so I will just assume you don't have the capacity to understand common sense and logic.
rnflhastheworstmods ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What specific group of people are aliens? Because I know white aliens, black aliens, latino aliens....can you enlighten me what specific group constitutes aliens? Jewish people are a SPECIFIC group. Aliens are not.
I didn't twist this into anything. You're drawing a comparison between persecuted German Jews and illegal immigrants. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you don't see how that's racist then there is a simple truth here: You are racist.
Doesn't understand something, thinks other person can't use logic. God buddy, you're like the walking and talking version of irony.
Cyuen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:21:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens are non citizen immigrant. That's it! Wtf are you grouping them in race??
Wtf is wrong with you? I am sorry but I am done with this. Blocking you now to avoid wasting any more time on this bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rnflhastheworstmods ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jewish is a race.
The comparison was made between them and illegals.
Sorry that you're racist.
conet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying highlighters are pointless because the text is there. Yeah someone could sort who committed crimes into groups, but Trump is saving people the trouble and highlighting the non-citizens, including legal immigrants. Or maybe his wording was sloppy because he doesn't understand his job.
I like how you ignored the legal subset of aliens too.
rnflhastheworstmods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh I've got a fan.
Not sure whether to flattered or put off.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order doesn't specify illegal immigrants. It just says immigrants.
elljawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its fear mongering. the same sort of fear mongering that has been done previously to demonize whatever "other" a party discriminates against to gain power.
I should start publishing a list of crimes done by republicans, or white people. same level of relevance
rnflhastheworstmods ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want a list? Check out /r/politics.
elljawa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah
we should, every week, publish about every wife beater who voted for trump.
rnflhastheworstmods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to write a program that cross references registered Republicans and people charged with domestic violence you go right on ahead.
ghee99 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great logic there. Here, let me give it a shot.
Bill Clinton is a vegetarian, Hilter was a vegetarian,
Bill Clinton is Hitler!
How'd I do?
DeathBattleFan123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:16:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You misspelled BILL CLINTON IS A RAPIST.
ghee99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh, my apologies...
thanks for catching my typo!
;)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ghee99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wrong
elcheeserpuff ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Clinton wasn't a vegetarian while he was president. That means he wasn't Hitler-esque in office. Trump is doing things as president that Hitler did during the rise of Nazi German.
Very poorly. And that's going along with your intentionally obtuse line of logic that vegetarianism equates to ostracising immigrants.
ghee99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK, let me try again...
Hillary accepted millions from Saudi Arabia.
Rex Tillerson gave millions to Saudi Arabia for their oil.
therefore, Rex Tillerson funded Hillary Clinton.
Better?
elcheeserpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm seeing a recurring theme in your logic: Since Clinton did something bad, that excuses trump from doing something bad.
Why do you keep bringing up Clinton? The election is over. Why do you think I'd be fine with trump doing reprehensible shit just because Clinton also did shit?
Edit: spelling
ghee99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:52:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm seeing a recurring theme in your logic: Since you know that Hitler is universally hated, and since YOU hate Trump, that means (in your mind) that Trump = Hitler.
Why do you leftists keep bringing up Hitler?
I mean, NO US politician is truly Hitler-like, but as Sanders was a socialist , and Hitler was a socialist, thats about as close as you can get (and even thats not accurate)
But comparing capitalist Trump to Socialist Hitler?
LOL
Now that funny!
As for you saying that Trump did anything reprehensible, I cant think of ANY thing that Trump has done that is bad.
On the other hand, obama dropping a bomb ever 20 minutes, for 8 years, non-stop, thats pretty reprehensible to me.
note: you said "ireprehensible", in speaking of Trump. Based on context, I knew you meant "reprehensible". But if anyone says that Trump is "irreprehensible" then I would agree with them 100%.
elcheeserpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't answer my question. Why should I be fine with trump doing something reprehensible just because Clinton also did something reprehensible?
ghee99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sure, IF Trump ever does something reprehensible as an elected politician (as Hillary did repeatedly) then sure... we'll all be upset.
Thus far, i've only seen good actions coming from Trump's White House
Apryggen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comparing the man to Hitler seems a bit harsh.
etherspin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he started it :) https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
then he pretended it was "the media" when he visited CIA headquarters https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-speaks-with-cia/514052/
kerfer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:06:20 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tomorrow's headline: "Trump to meet with military leaders. Hitler's did the same"
Day after: "Trump to rebuild our infrastructure. Hitler did the same"
You people are going to be the reason the Dems stay out of power for a decade.
GreenSage45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:13:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha.
Ohhh k.
Its the Dems that shot themselves in the foot both by nominating Hillary and (then) by not voting for her .
If progressives get their shit together (either under the Democratic Party or otherwise) then they'll be back in power.
Im pretty sure Trump will piss people off enough to lose everything.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh right, so comparisons to Nazi's keep people out of power ? interesting that https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correction. Committed by Illegal* Immigrants,(which are already criminals because... illegal), not just any kind of immigrant. There's a special kind of irony when the left compares him to Hitler, yet the left engages in all kinds fascist-like actions itself - like censorship, shouting down dissent/differing opinions or views, or even violence against those who disagree. Instead of changing the wording of the truth to fit your narrative, actually listen and read the truth itself.
TacticianRobin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
alien
noun: alien; plural noun: aliens 1. a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living. "an illegal alien" synonyms: foreigner, nonnative, immigrant, emigrant, รฉmigrรฉ "an illegal alien"
Please notice how the order, as written, specifies "alien", not "illegal immigrant". And that, by definition, an alien is simply a non-native. A synonym for alien is immigrant. All aliens are not illegal, otherwise the term "illegal alien" would be redundant.
So basically, you're wrong. Please follow your own advice, and actually listen and read instead of changing the wording to fit your narrative.
bengineer69 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he drinks water too, just like Hitler did.
elcheeserpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you honestly not understand the difference between drinking water, an act that's necessary to survive, and the ostracising of an entire group of people who are already being "other"d by a large portion of the country.
SonGoku915 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learn the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL.
DrChez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order didn't say illegal. Why are you assuming something that isn't written in the order?
ForeTheTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't say illegal but it did say it was limited to instances where jurisdiction failed to detain the people, which means illegal immigrants
SonGoku915 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is common sense... ILLEGALS need to get out.
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin Jesus. Either you're a foreigner with no grasp on English syntax or you're just a mindless Trump supporter too wrapped up in the hype to pay attention.
SonGoku915 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice deflecting. We both know he is talking about ILLEGALS.
DrChez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:11 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't he just say illegals? All this shady politician doublespeak. I thought he told it like it is
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hitler did the same" Is this subreddit bought out? Lmfao
Ugly_Dickshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where have you been the last 6 months?
ToddHelton4Ever ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they should bring attention to these crimes for the sake of the victims. When Trump called out some of the illegal immigrants as rapists, the media and hive mind seemed to side with the illegal immigrant criminals and not the women violated - the true victims.
cabose7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Concern troll
BigBossN7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump brushes his teeth after eating breakfast in the morning. Hitler did the same
KHRZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump to breathe air... Hitler did the same
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:05 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LITERALLY HITLER!!!!!!!
etherspin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nope. one parallel at a time mate, Trump does the broader brush of implying the intelligence community are operating like Nazi Germany - go over and talk to him about your concern about Hitler comparisons ? :)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler did a lot of things. Are we really going this route? I'm sure Anne Frank would be proud (I don't think she would be)
29624 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's done a lot of things too
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah you've convinced me, Trump is literally Hitler!!!!
29624 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:19:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anything would convince you with your head so far up your ass.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Fuck you m8.
29624 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then tell me, what would it take for you to agree that Trump is behaving like a dictator. What is your criteria?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That he got rid of internet freedoms, ironically enough.
29624 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it? Gas chambers are cool as long as you have internet rights? Be honest and thorough.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gas chambers? What? Have you gone off the deep end?
29624 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not accusing Trump of that but before I bother I want to know the line that cannot be crossed. What would it take for Trump to do to convince you that he is acting like a dictator.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably mandating patriotism. That would make me question him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit! Has he passed this law?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Why are you upset?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well done.
29624 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So dehumanizing minority groups is still on the table? Establishing themselves as the only source of truth is still ok? Committing war crimes is acceptable? Using the national guard to institute martial law alright? I just want to make sure you are okay with all of this from a leader.
-yoba- ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is absolutely nothing wrong with clamping down on illegal immigration.
Taome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this helps do that how?
-yoba- ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im presuming this helps to highlight the crimes committed by illegal immigrants. I would have read more into it, if not for the horrible title of the article.
chiefsport ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sorry victims of violent crime but your terrible experience goes against my politics so you don't matter."
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:25:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:29:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you categorize humans by color doesn't mean everyone else does.
Normal people who aren't race-obsessed understand the distinction between lawful immigrants and unlawful.
RedditMapz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he mentioned race, but now that you did it very clearly is on your mind despite that very condescending comment. That said, this changes nothing. Trump is essentially trying to create anti-immigrant propaganda. This will serve no other purpose but to paint immigrants in a negative light.
chiefsport ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is disseminating facts about crime "propaganda?"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be dishonest about your race-based politics, lefty.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:31 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your insults are meaningless because no one respects your kind. When you act like a toddler and call everyone a fascist, you're written off as useless.
I only called you a lefty. Are you not a proud lefty?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey look at me I'm a fascist!
Clean the floors, check the mail!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:16:09 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:25 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To use an example for my last post......
Like this. Exactly like this. Keep doing exactly this. I support you in this 100%.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:35 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your rhetorical tactic isn't working. Contrary to what you believe, posts like /u/FUCKLORD_SKYPUNCH are not why Trump won, and they won't make more people support him.
You're trying to defuse criticism of Trump, but it's not working.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I most certainly am not.
This is not a tactic.
I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
I...want....you....to.....carry......on....behaving....just.....as....you.....have.....been.....behaving.
What about that don't you understand?
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you are.
Of course it is.
Oh, I understand what you're saying. It's just painfully clear that you're being disingenuous.
...because you believe this hurts my position, and helps yours. It doesn't.
I understand all about it, including the real reason you're saying it.
Don't try to fool people who are smarter than you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. Yep. Keep saying shit like that. Please.
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's true. You're not as smart as you think you are.
Have a nice day.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I will. I already am ;)
archiesteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:33 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, not interested.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:30 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:19 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think you're the good guy for wishing misery on me for not sharing your politics.
You'll grow out of your pathetic wannabe intimidation tactics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good news. You're wrong about everything.
The people you care about will be just fine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:55 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe. White leftists are liars and love to lie about sob stories.
What med does your mom take? Be specific.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:39 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:02 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's what I thought. Just another lefty LARPer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was pretty clear but I guess you have a hard time with reading comprehension on top of being a lying leftist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:47 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well how can I can compete with something as innovative and revolutionary as "mom's panties?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:26 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chiefsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:01 on January 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Mom's panties."
The pinnacle of higher education.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conservative definitely do. In fact, it's present in every single one of their policies.
Rikashey ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also breathed air and drank water.
Rcurtis ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nazis also had media sources spewing propaganda. Kind of like this entire sub.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like a White House chief strategist running a media outlet.
ReefsnChicks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:30:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To compare Trump to Hitler is exceedingly insensitive to the victims of the Holocaust and should never come out of anyone's mouth. For being a sub full of SJW's, you certainly don't seem to mind making light of the pain and suffering an entire people went through. Js.
cabose7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:46 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Concern troll
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 18:59:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:37:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LazyassMadman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, those lefties and their alternative facts... wait
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LazyassMadman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:57 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm completely bald all over. Hair is what traps the germs, we don't need it, we're evolving past it.
Suzookus ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goodbye illegals!
Cyuen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:45:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said immigrants. They didn't say whether they are illegal or not. READ the fucking thing before you voice your opinion
Suzookus ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:40:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegals are included ... so goodbye!
Sprockethead ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:49:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. u/cyuen, it doesn't matter to them if innocent people are lumped in with the illegal immigrants. Well, innocent brown people at least. Small price to pay to give innocent white people something to gloat over.
Suzookus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they all have to be brown? Illegals are illegals. Don't be racist and assume all illegals are brown.
Sprockethead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, have I misunderstood this whole building a wall on the Mexican border? Or the deportation of muslim radicals?
What giant news story did I miss that indicates that Trump is planning on deporting swaths of white illegal immigrants?
Suzookus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Criminals first, then the rest. About half of illegals are visa over stays. Which means they could have come from just about anywhere. Not just Latin America.
Suzookus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like this writer Vargas from Philippines.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Antonio_Vargas
He should go back and immigrate legally.
slothenthusiast ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:42:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with this as long as people are smart enough to read and understand statistics. It would be interesting to compare crime rates committed by immigrants vs the indigenous people. As far as I know there is not a significant difference anyway.
Ta-Ta-T00they ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:55:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States keeps crime data on nearly every ethnic group and other specific groups in the country. Not keeping a record of crimes committed by illegal aliens is just purposefully shielding ourselves from facts
peace_love17 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:14:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright I'm a liberal through and through but this "Trump does a thing, you know who else did that? HITLER!!1!1!!!1" needs to stop.
elcheeserpuff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... The guy who said he's too busy to read the daily updates intelligence report now suddenly has time to search out and publish every "crime" big or small committed by immigrants? What a piece of fucking shit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Sanders should have won!
mainstream_lurker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:17:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All opinions on Trump aside, Godwin's Law sure does seem to be pretty common these days.
DrChez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the guy shouldn't act like Hitler then? Mindless nationalism, check. Blaming a majority of problems on ethnic minorities, check. Increasing the military past reasonable limits, check. Claiming to be for workers before giving power to corporations, check.
mainstream_lurker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you're stretching on all four of your points but I get what you're saying.
You're assuming he's going to do the things that he says on twitter as opposed to the things that he's done since he's been on the job for what...6 days? It's a bit extreme to continue comparing him to Hitler.
I'm not a Trump supporter - I like to think of myself as a Trump hopeful.
textbandit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler restored the German economy. According to your logic, that means Bill Clinton is Hitler too. Thanks for clearing this up.
YourLocalMonarchist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:26:41 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stay classy /r/politics
metrogdor22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:18 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex offenders are required to divulge their crimes to everyone around them because they're deemed to still be a threat to society. How is this any different?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:54 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choosing a similar major in college is basically equivalent likeness to publishing a list with the exact same information and intent. You're smart!
Also I'm pretty sure I'm not the only STEM person here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Leitnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:17 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ends justify the means...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:53 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Leitnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:10 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Often not the case. Let's take your criminals must be stopped argument. killing all people means all criminals are stopped. Is that a good plan, fuck no. Yes, that's taking it to th e absurd, but you can't just say the ends justify the means. It's a lot more complicated than that.
Regardless of what my opinion is (which is not what you imply), that opinion isn't a crime.
And now you're assuming all laws are just and any opposition to them is by definition bad. That's just stupid
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:32 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Leitnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:15 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Critical thinking in itself is not limited to what you perceive as worthwhile.
Youre presupposing your conclusion is the correct one to make your argument.
And yes I believe in all those things. But I don't think selective transparency when it comes to crime statistics is a good idea.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"whatever logic" the logic is in the title and in the article - that the two guys share a political tactic. the article doesn't make blanket assumptions about 3 million people being arts students, thats more like something Trump would do, he loves numbers around and above 3 million right now
jugenbund ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is not an artist, that also means he is a failed artist. Trump is literally Hitler confirmed.
Hooper-Blooper ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we just going to pretend that there's no difference between illegal immigrants and and entire race?
Like holy shit, illegal immigrants are not a demographic comparable to Jews. One is a race. One is a group of people breaking the law by default.
Oh_hamburgers_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better than pretending it isn't happening and releasing violent criminals back into our communities like Obama.
irawoody1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:21 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hitler also banned guns, trump didnt, hitler also created laws to punish people who were legal residents like obama did hitler also rigged elections like the dnc did.
The_Captain_Spiff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
donald trump breathes oxygen, hitler did the same
Donnybiceps ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crimes by illegal immigrants. Get it right next time propagandist
Gark_Johaness ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So fucking dishonest.
This article is terrible, really.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are certainly not comparable to lawful Jewish CITZENS of Germany. To draw an equivalence is intellectually dishonest at the very least. This might be the most misleading and completely dishonest piece of editorializing I've read yet! Shameful really.
Babbit_B ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:54:59 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All other issues aside, there is zero in the order to specify that this will / can apply only to illegal immigrants.
messed_up_marionette ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump wears pants. Hitler did the same.
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 17:57:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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krupted ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:07:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you have to ask YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION
cromulent_frog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not an argument!
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 18:09:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RoystenMantis ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally dude!!! Keep it up MrFuckingCunt!
Trogoway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a troll account that's 6 days old. Nothing to see here.
Kaiosama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is definitely soft in the head. That much is for certain.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the world (aside from Russia and Syria) is anti-trump, get used to it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:56 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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29624 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well right now he is dehumanizing a minority group to scapegoat people's problems in the country so there is that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:22:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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29624 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/14/gary-johnson/mexican-immigrants-more-law-abiding/
I'm glad you agree Trump is acting like a fascist dictator, I'm sorry you think that's a good thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lost the popular vote (by around 3 million), but won the electoral college; an inherently undemocratic system that counts votes disproportionately based on state.
I'm not sure how similar trump is to Hitler specifically (personally, I think trumps' more Orwellian than nazi), but he does fit the definition of fascist to a T . Though if I had to think of some comparison to Hitler, it would be trump's obvious disdain for certain ethnic minorities who he blames all of the country's ill on.
yaosio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What has he done that anybody could be pro-Trump?
akers8806 ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 18:36:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
liberals man, liberals. They can't STAND Trump and they apparently rule /r/politics. They are thinking the same exact same way conservatives did when Obama first took office - but acting way worse. The left is out of control and unhinged. They complain of bullying yet they bully Trump (making fun of his physical appearance, his wife, and kids), they complain of intolerance yet Trump supporters have been physically and verbally attacked, they made fun of Trump and his supporters not being able to accept the election results if he lost and now they are chanting "not my president", they complain of bigotry and prejudice yet they refer to Trump supporters as "Midwest rednecks" and "privileged whites". Literally everything they have sat on their high horses and said over the last 8 years they are now contradicting.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:40:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crud man, Donny supporters sound like snowflakes.
Hooman_Bean ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:47:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wants to be treated special for being white. It checks out.
akers8806 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 18:45:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not quite. I just want to give the guy a chance and hope his intentions are really for the best. /r/politics has become the place to come shit on him. Every single post is a shitfest - while T_D is a lovefest and the man can do no wrong. I don't agree with either stance. He will make mistakes, but lets not jump to major conclusions that he is the next coming of Hitler (conservatives said the same about Obama). You realize the folks in T_D call him Emperor God to mock y'all in /r/politics, right?
yaosio ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:16:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been given lots of chances and blew every single one. There's so many so let's focus on the election. (Edit: I forgot I said this and did not focus on just the election. ๐ฑ)
He won the election, but refuses to recognize it was legitimate. His pro golfer friend tried to illegally vote in Florida, and knew there were a lot of illegal voters in the polling location. Trump is refusing to investigate illegal voting in Florida even though he know for a fact 5 million people voted illegal. He has implicated himself as part of the illegal voting scheme.
He was given a chance to tell us what will replace the ACA but he refuses to tell us what.
He was given a chance to admit the facts behind climate change but decided that it's not just a hoax, but that nobody has ever mentioned it before.
He was given a chance to tell the truth, but he continually lies, and in doing so continually implicates himself in every single false conspiracy theory he creates.
How many more chances are you going to give him?
akers8806 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:19:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was his 3rd or 4th day in office and there was already a post in here about his presidential approval rating being really low - WTF? Everyone jumped aboard. How is that even a valid poll when the guy has been in office for 3 days? and now, 6 days in there's post after post comparing him to Hitler and several users hinting at assassination. /r/politics is not a neutral discussion ground that it claims to be. It's either shit on Trump or GTFO.
yaosio ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which part of your post is a response to anything in my post?
TrinarUltra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ayy lmao
Scheisser_Soze ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every modern president has had early approval ratings. His is remarkable because his approval ratings are lower than all the others. Rightfully so.
Since you seem to be so clueless at to why people are opposing him, here's some reading for you.
yaosio ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:11:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry we hurt your feelings but the US isn't a safe space. People are going to be mean to Trump.
akers8806 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol. My feelings are not hurt. Just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy. If anything, I am annoyed by the whole "I'm offended" movement.
yaosio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:43 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing wrong with your feelings being hurt. You wouldn't be so angry about this if your feelings were not hurt. Nobody gets mad for no reason, not even me, and I'm bipolar. But you have to understand we're hurt too, otherwise 3 million people wouldn't have protested in the Woman's March across the country.
BasketDweller ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had the copyright to the word terrifying. The fear mongering left has been using it quite a lot lately.
Guayota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here, a Republican shows extensive knowledge of copyright laws.
BasketDweller ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, I clearly actually believe that words can be copyrighted and wasn't just making a point.
I apologize for your autism, it must be a terrible affliction to suffer from.
Retromind ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what Hitler also did the same? Drank water. Coincidence?
DiggyComer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well everyone drinks water. Not everyone uses fascist tactics. Don't make yourself look stupid in order to support an idiot bro, have you no pride?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump about to have orange juice with breakfast.
JUST. LIKE. HITLER.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DrChez ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should support a guy who doesn't conduct himself like Hitler, save the eloquence.
wEbKiNz_FaN_xOxO ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is going to breathe in oxygen. Hitler did the same.
brexit_trump_2017 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*President Trump
at least get your President's title correct before you make ridiculous scaremongering hyperbolic claims :)
Sundown26 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Godwin theory applies here. Sorry OP
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump doesn't have a problem with all immigrants he has a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order did not specify illegal. You can say this all you want but the law says that immigrants are going to be targeted.
TerranFirma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler attempted to ban/reduce smoking and institute other health conscious policies as well.
So by this logic Trump needs to demand a two pack a day habit from all citizens.
PoisedbutHard ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can you compare the treatment of citizens and non-criminals (Jews) vs illegal immigrants that are criminals (happen to be from Mexico)?
That's all I got beef with.
Edit: downvoted for comparing two different things.
Kirbychwan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:14:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because this is how it started. Hitler didn't start with kristalknacht and genocide. It was a process over several years of increasingly ramped policies exactly like this one.
PoisedbutHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:40 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is it assumed he will start publishing Muslim citizens' crimes eventually?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:44 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Daverost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
OldWarrior ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:58:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obama owned a dog. Hitler did the same.
idm03 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:12:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. Trump is publishing crimes committed by illegals, in other words NOT legal.
geekamongus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:16:32 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is that distinction between the crimes of illegal and legal immigrants made? I couldn't find it in the order.
xxCyberpunk2077xx ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is white....So was Hitler!!!!
Zirconium5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its true
Nemo_K ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:43:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love Godwin's law.
"Nazi this. Hitler that." Great way to open up a discussion.
Doctor_Riptide ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:33 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump drinks water in order to survive. Hitler did the same
nomeeek ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG He's Hitler!
I'm literally shaking!!
This sub is garbage.
IsaidTemporarily ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 18:13:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump Sneezed. Hitler did the same!!
StandHampton ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems no one in the American media actually has any idea of the concept of Hitler and the Nazi's, maybe we should send them all to Dachau and lock them in an oven for 30 min or so, then maybe they would realizes what true evil is, and stop trivializing it
https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/index-e.html
nanoakron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:42:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here are some straws, come grasp at them.
morebeansplease ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:46:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can somebody publish a list of things Trump is doing that Hitler had also done, lets see how far away from Fascism we are.
Anghellik ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:48:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're Trump, and you run on national anger, this is a brilliant propaganda move. There are over 43 million immigrants in the US. You can put a name, face, and story on what is otherwise a stat.
Then you'll have people getting outraged, saying "Look at what this immigrant did! We need to put a stop to it!"
ialreadyatethecookie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:49:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember Godwin's law? Remember how it had become sub-par reddit behavior to mention Hitler? Remember how we stopped doing it as much because, obviously, not everything has to do with Hitler?
It's time to pay attention to how much of this looks, sounds, smells, like Hitler. It takes one highly placed person to get assassinated and they will declare martial law, just like you-know-who, and then it won't just be Steve Bannon telling the press to shut up, the army will have to tell the press to shut up.
This is how fascism works. Now we have to figure out what stops fascism. I don't know that. Do you guys?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:51:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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almostagolfer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary called her husband's rape victims "bimbos".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeap.
OmenQtx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:17:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of those two people is the President now. No more excuses.
almostagolfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not happy about Trump being President, either. But I am less unhappy than I would have been if the election had gone the other way.
I know what a Clinton Presidency would have produced. At least Trump has a chance to surprise me and do well.
OmenQtx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just really tired of the "but Hillary" deflection. It doesn't matter what you think Hillary would have done any more. Trump must stand on his own and answer for his actions now.
almostagolfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:51 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't a "but Hillary" excuse. I simply said that I held my nose and voted against her. To me, she was pretty much a known quantity and I didn't like what I knew about her.
I don't really have high hopes for Trump, either, because here in Arizona, every time we elect a successful businessman to be Governor, it turns into a shit storm of verbal gaffes and financial shenanigans. There may have been others, but Evan Mecham and Fife Symington immediately come to mind.
Businessman (also Generals, but that's another problem) get frustrated in politics because they are used to having their commands carried out with a certain sense of alacrity. Trump is accustomed to being in control and having his subordinates carry out the instructions he gives them, or "You're fired!" echoes down the hallways. How quickly he adapts and becomes effective in this new environment is critical to his success.
kempsdaman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so not like hitler then
trumpandpooti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:14:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is clearly Hitler. Except for that whole death camp, support Israel and Jewish daughter thing. But hey, let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good Nazi comparison.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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trumpandpooti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She wasn't born Jewish but she lives her life more Jewish than most Jews. Is orthodox and keeps kosher.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:08 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, and?
am I supposed to be impressed by that?
should I clap?
Should I say 'how dare they?'
it means nothing to me. 10000% nothing. she is exactly why i support repealing religious freedom and keeping religion out of government.
trumpandpooti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:13 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're supposed to understand that Nazi comparisons based on a website are absurd. The Nazis destroyed tens of millions of people. Comparing Trump to Hitler is a politically cynical move and not based in reality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:01 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except they're not based on a website. they're based on what's really happening
well, duh. that's that's what happens when you go fascist.
says a trump supporter
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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trumpandpooti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he adds say.... getting the trains to run on time, on top of an immigrant crime website, he's confirmed Hitler.
slipperystar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:24:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comparing him to Hitler is unfair to Hitler.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:57:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, here goes nuthin, I'll just leave this here, it's as good a place as any. I have a friend who has a son that just got out of the border patrol school/academy? Whatever they call it, anyway, he got into the academy because his new wifes dad is some kind of regional big shot at DHS. My buddy and the kid hate trump with a passion, the father in law would apparently be fine with being on call to suck trumps dick 24/7/365 and the kid is playing along like he'd be fine with being on that list too.
So, yeah, the father in law tells the kid some double secret probation shit, like cross your heart, hope to die never tell a soul stuff. As I type this, I have to stop every once in a while and catch my breath and wipe the tears out of my eyes because ever since I heard it last night I just start laughing hysterically when I think about it. So, the secret is, somebody quite far up the food chain at DHS floated the idea of............Chipping every Mexican that crosses the border, chipping as in like the chips they put in pets, I think they even do it in some little kids now? But, yeah, there it is, supposedly some other people farther up the food chain as in far upper management level, really liked the idea and will be recommending it even higher up.
True, not true? I dunno, but I don't care who ya are that right there is funny fucking shit, and in this branch of reality we live in now it wouldn't surprise me in at all if it were true. If you think the Mexican president is pissed off now.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:58:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this of any use other than fear mongering and stoking the flames of xenophobia? GD
Zachtpres ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:07:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What else is Trump going to publish? The "Mine First!", a re-publishing of the Mein Kampf ?
I even bet he then tries to say how he totally isnt going door to door finding immigrants in an aggressive manner, that once inspired a girl named Anne Frank to write about. He'll likely just say this is how America is going to become better......No it wont. This is how the US falls from the sky.
Also just today before introducing Trump, Mitch McConnell(completely ignoring the "trail of tears") hailed Andrew Jackson as the president for the people and that Trump is comparable to him. Why is this administration so ready to become a fascist government knowing that it will end badly for them?
Jayz2pence ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:09:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how this compares to the list of crimes that the US has committed against the native population of the American continent.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:13:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal Immigrants*
Sardorim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:30:55 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't copy Hitler in this digital age. We won't be so easily brainwashed in the states that matter as we house most of the military.
adziki ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he's going to plagiarize Hitler now? Brave.
mirror_1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:40:29 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"So did Hillary".
goldroger12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He can't be hitler his a jewish person
KalvinKalv ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:03:24 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt it only illegal Immigrants?
Corn-Tortilla ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald trump drinks water. Hitler did the same.
ubergeek404 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:34:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump ate breakfast, SO DID HITLER !!!!!
Sumbodygonegethertz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler breathed oxygen, Trump does too!
urgassed ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:24 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants โ ILLEGAL Immigrants. How come the left continuously uses these terms interchangeably?
Zephenia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because when you go after a group of people villianous intent that include women and children leads to an open door policy on that kind of behavior. Period
urgassed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The group we're talking about is illegal immigrant criminals who have committed crimes besides already breaking the law by being here illegally. What do women and children have to do with any of that? We have laws in this country and we need to start enforcing them. Otherwise, what is the point of having them in the first place?
almostagolfer ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WILL YOU PEOPLE STOP OMITTING THE WORD "ILLEGAL"!
We all know the difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. At this point, I have to assume that anyone that makes this mistake is either ignorant or promoting an agenda.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:00 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JustinL42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo bro it says at the top not to use hate speech. I think you are failing pretty miserably to heed that.
Also the entire way this country came to be is based on people immigrating from other countries. I'm not Native American, are you?
Konami_Kode_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:23 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think they'll make it a day?
UkinbloJobro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been browsing for 2 years but I decided to sign up because I felt like I wanted to share my views. This website is overwhelmingly liberal.
Konami_Kode_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a racist piece of shit, and you should have stayed in the disgusting cave you crawled out of.
buzzlite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:16 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're underwhelmingly trolling
lobsterwithcrabs ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:42 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG why can't people see that Drump=Hitler I can't even breathe when i read these headlines. they make me cry and i need to take like 30 minutes to calm myself down
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lobsterwithcrabs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:50 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF, y-you are ... the Hitler. Did you know Hitler was once a fetus. Ew. Fascism alert!!
basmith7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this public record? Did Hitler also wear pants, because Trump seems to wear pants a lot.
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 18:37:12 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:59:20 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you mean by "in charge". I'm not the president if that's what you mean.
Everyone is to some extent. At least I'm honest.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being honest doesn't make up for being a homicidal maniac in any way.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to kill anyone, but like any self respecting person I will if it means protecting this nation or my family.
If you won't, then I think less of you as a human being for being so naive. Not that I think my opinion of you is particularly valuable. (It's not, just as yours isn't)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:44 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:55:59 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between killing out of necessity because the situation warrants it and killing out of want because you enjoy it.
The rest of the argument about illegal immigration has been done to death and there's a wealth of information out there so I won't bother justifying that. I do expect you to do your own research and yes that includes opposing sources. It's the result of my own research and life experience that has lead me to this "extreme" opinion that you think makes me a homicidal person.
I can tell you that my opinion is far more commonplace than you think and you should want people to express these things if your goal is to change hearts and minds and move forward with your ideals.
I don't think that's your goal however. I think like most liberals and young people you don't want your feelings to be hurt. You want to retain your youthful innocence and hide from the harsh reality of a world filled with people that would kill you without a second thought.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how psychology works. There aren't people that exist that lack the psychological elements necessary to kill. I view it as more of a sliding scale where the circumstances required to get someone to kill someone else are greater. Most people don't reach the threshold.
That's a shame since it's inaccurate in my case, but you are right to think so since it's true for most people. I didn't always used to feel this way about illegals but life changes you.
I dismiss people by ignoring them.
I blame the stupid and gullible but it's difficult to test for those conditions reliably and there are obvious concerns in doing so in regards to personal liberty.
Legal Immigrant? You mean American? So same as me then? Why would anyone want to shoot your wife? In fact, if someone tried to do that near me you can bet your ass I'd try to stop them. My family immigrated here legally, though some were brought over on slave ships against their will but it was a different time.
If they're here illegally they are criminals and I'm not willing to take any chances.
You'd be incorrect. I don't give a crap about skin color. It's meaningless. I think we should ruthlessly enforce our immigration laws. I don't see it being a large issue but if you're worried about equality we can apply the same policies towards Canada including building a wall up there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:04 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sluttttt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:06:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disgusting.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:09:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kutchu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well article said "aliens" not "illegal aliens".
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:35 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The order didn't specify illegal immigrants. It just said immigrants.
But why would I expect someone who flat out says they'd commit murder against people who never hurt them to read?
PassTheDisinfectant ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:43:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god I see it now! I saw a picture of Hitler drinking water the other day and TRUMP DRINKS WATER TOO!!! TRUMP=HITLER
Adr3nalinex ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:34:02 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the title I was waiting for. "DAE literally hitler?" You've won, boys and girls.
Erichardson1978 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do know when an actual American citizen commits a crime it is reported on and a list is published on police blotters and websites. So once again liberals want the US to give more rights to Ilegal immigrants than there own tax paying citizens.
Retaliation ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler slept in a bed i guess 4 billion people are hitler now.
Top_Secret_Name ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:48:37 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Lamentati0ns ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:38 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I don't think it particularly helps to give the people a list of reasons to hate immigrants, I'm getting fucking sick and tired of comparing everything to Hitler and basing everything Hitler did as inherently evil/wrong/bad
Hitler also reformed and ensured a prosperous German economy, improved and encouraged education, pushed for women's rights, fought against tobacco usage, improved working conditions, improved living conditions, and fought against homelessness and hunger.
Bad people do bad things. Bad people do good things. Good people do good things. Good people do bad things.
shittingjacket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:27 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...are you upset that we're slandering Hitler???
Sprockethead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is repeating a bad action that Hitler did. It's as simple as that.
If only Trump would repeat the "good" stuff that Hitler did, as you put it: "improved and encouraged education, pushed for women's rights, fought against tobacco usage, improved working conditions, improved living conditions, and fought against homelessness and hunger."
Trump is not doing that. Hitler did bad things. Trump is repeating some of the early bad things that Hitler did. Hence the comparison.
Lamentati0ns ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keeping in mind Hitler held power for 12 years, there was ample time for this reform. Trump has been in office for what, 5 days now? Of course there's gonna be unpopular things but there's also popular things that will be done.
I know people don't like the 'Just give him a chance' but that's a legitimate claim. You can't just say, "okay mr. president we're going to judge you based on the very first thing you do in office" no you let them serve the term, and make assessments rationally and accordingly
Sprockethead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely understand your point. And I don't mean to say that Trump intends to ever do what Hitler did. Also, you're right, even if he did intend to, there is not enough time in 4 years probably. I am more concerned that even if he doesn't "follow through" all the way with plans for minorities in the US, each one of these little actions set us back as a whole, socially. In my opinion.
In addition, and I mean this respectfully, I can and will personally and publicly judge Donald on every last small little thing that he does. He doesn't get a pass just because it's his first week. I think he's done a poor job so far. He's trying to deliver on his campaign promises but seems to be falling on his face. I'm going to assess the guy in real-time.
Lamentati0ns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:17:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can appreciate what you're saying. It's difficult to phrase since I actually do think the POTUS should be held under intense scrutiny simply due to the severity of his position but I was leaning towards 'his legacy' or 'administration' should never be determined by his first week. It should be based on the total of his term like all presidents preceding. Some were bad to be impeached and showed to be terrible leaders, others were unpopular, others were very popular. None can reasonably be assessed solely by the very beginning
Chazz85 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm British are pm is meeting him soon, she's a woman I'm waiting for him to be sexist to her.
19Kilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something like the Bush Shoulder Rub, but he won't be grabbing her shoulders?
Scheisser_Soze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:36 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grab her by the schnitzel!
WaythurstFrancis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it; China? Take us out. Please kill me quickly.
bradshawmu ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler isn't looking so bad now is he?
Orangebeardo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hereby revoke Godwin's law, forever. Fuck that shit when Hitler actually reincarnates.
Quivis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor title. Makes it appear to suggest that immigrants shouldn't be punished for crime.
Edit: I apparently can't read. Thought the title read "Punish" instead of "Publish". As you can see, there was a strange issue with that.
ryokineko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do you figure that???
Quivis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I can't read apparently... I thought it said "Punish" instead of "Publish".
ryokineko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh! Well that makes more sense then.
godel32 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump has ordered his new administration to publish a weekly list of the crimes committed by immigrants."
Can we start documenting all the crimes his administration is commiting on a wekly basis? Somethink like "TrumpCrimes.net"?
nomeeek ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:13 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except Jews were actually German citizens.
It's okay to defend your family and nation from criminal invaders.
MonstarsSuck ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:56 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's gonna put them all in concentration camps!!!
Oh wait no, that was a Democrat who did that, and those were actually US citizens.
furerjulian ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:22 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good
HillaryisToast ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:58 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone know the O/U on when the Trump is literally Hitler narrative stops?
messed_up_marionette ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:27 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say 2027 at the earliest. It seems Democrats and left-wingers always seem to develop a Strange New Respect for Republican elder statesmen after they've retired as a means of obliquely attacking whoever is The Current Threat.
Growmyassoff ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 17:47:16 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta stop comparing everyone to hitler in this sub. It loses effectiveness quickly.
cregister ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:57:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not "everyone". Trump. And the comparison is apt.
whatsorangesoda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:41 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler literally did this.
Cleev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:04 on January 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness, the comparison isn't really all that accurate.
After all, Hitler volunteered to serve in his country's military, while President Trump is a draft dodging pussy.
Growmyassoff ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 18:00:22 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta stop comparing everything trump does to something hitler did. How's that?
brkello ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:10:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? People like you are already lost and not going to be convinced until you are personally damaged by Trump.
We can go on making factual comparisons while you close your eyes and stick you fingers in your ears and deny reality.
DragoonDM ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:24:58 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will when he stops doing things that are eerily reminiscent of early Nazi Germany.
Cleev ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:52 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as Trump stops doing things that Hitler did, the comparison will stop.
Growmyassoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:26 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that
Cleev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:56 on January 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, for one, would love to give folks a chance to stop comparing him to Hitler. But he just keeps on, you know, doing Hitler stuff.
Growmyassoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:39 on January 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that scene from parks and rec where Leslie knope talks about her plan to help the city and that evil dentist guy stands up and goes "you know who else had a plan? Hitler!"
Cleev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:49 on January 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that seems to be one striking way that Trump and Hitler differ.
Growmyassoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:11 on January 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk just made think of that scene so I shared it
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:25:10 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why this is a bad thing. Why the attempt at false equivalency with Hitler?
cromulent_frog ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 17:59:05 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler loved water and wore clothing. Guess who else does? More at 11
StaticVulture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:01 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So no defence? Figures as much.
cromulent_frog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying to point out that having an argument about an administration's policy can be more effective than going full-on Godwin straight out the gate.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:27:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since we want to compare him to Hitler, let's just go ahead and build concentration camps and gas the Liberals. I mean, he needs to live up to the accusations put against him, right? So dramatic, lol.
Cyuen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, let's just wait for shits to happen before you start to think.
Ffs, trump literally is going to write weekly reports on the crimes immigrants do, and all you can say is "well I am ok with that because it's not as bad as concentration camps and gas chamber. MAGA!;&&&(&)
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is Hitler REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Drama queens. Hahahaha
Cyuen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:37 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one say he's hilter. People are saying he's doing things hilter did in the past that resulted in the raise of the Nazi party.
Any more statements from you other than replying like a five year old kid who first get their hands on the keyboard?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, we'll rise up and become modern day Nazi's. Haha Like I said before, drama queens. ๐
Cyuen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:45 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you will. I mean, you are already acting like one.
bye
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:31 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll make sure to throw you a few bread crumbs. Lol
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
go study for your GED
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:00:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need a GED to be part of the Waffen-SS! I'll be fine! ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uneducated and supports trump? who woulda thunk it?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:29 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/CRuDOkW.jpg
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll throw you an extra bread crumb because you're quite the intellectual! ๐๐๐๐๐
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be funny if you people didn't actually want that to happen.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:24:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right! Lol
daredaki-sama ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:23 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't read the article, only the title. But just arguing the semantics, Trump isn't out to kill the immigrants. At least I don't think.
meandrunkR2D2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:28 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's stage 3.
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither was Hitler at first.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:07 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:47 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the Intelligence community are ... something ! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
el_capitan_obvio ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:21 on January 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump spoke in front of a crowd of thousands of people.
Hitler did the same.
Trump is literally Hitler.
TheSawceBawss ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:50 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he is going to round them up and gas them right?
Militant_Homofascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If /r/Altright had their way, yes.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sprockethead ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:54 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this is my life now, explaining this simple point, I guess.
When we study Hitler, we see that certain actions he took early in his career were indicators or signals of events to come. Drinking water was not one of those indicators. However, publicly vilifying Jewish people - that turned out to be a significant early indicator of things to come. So that would be considered an important or significant event early in Hitler's career. Ok, now hold that thought in your head as you read the rest.
Because some of Trump's actions are overlapping with those important events I described before (not drinking water), people are making a comparison.
bledd7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:00:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too bad since immigrants don't comit crimes .
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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totokekedile ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:57:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The order, however, doesnโt specify if this relates to just illegal immigrants, or all immigrants living in the US legally."
BlackDeplorable ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:49 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol..Really? So trump is literally Hitler because he wants to publish a list of illegal immigrants who commit crimes.
And people are crying foul over this.
Give me a break.
People are acting as of this type of stuff doesn't happen now.
How do you find out when a crime has been committed in your area? Most likely by reading about it in the paper, internet, or seeing it on the news.
Move on. Nothing to see here.
ControlTheRecord ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:07 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-/r/politics
lord__frieza ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:10:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, he's Hitler all over again. Because Hitler wore a yamurlka to his daughters wedding and moved Germany's embassy to Jerusalem. Trump is sooo Hitler.
Taylor814 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is going to enforce the country's border.
Hitler did the same.
OMG OMG OMG TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER!!!!1!!
nondescript1001 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:26 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not immigrant, just illegal immigrants. Hitler never did the same.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:51 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the jews were illegal in his eyes. so yes, he did.
fantasy939393 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:12:34 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump drank water. Hitler did too!!!! ZOMG REEEEEEEEEEEE
Demonites ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:15:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump takes a shit. Hitler also took a shit. Omg guys you seeing what im seeing?
Of course illegal would be left out of the title.
dollarsandcents101 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:53 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Undocumented immigrants* there's a difference
DrChez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:25 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The executive order did not specify, so you folks are assuming the opposite of what the order states.
pyroyuy ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 18:07:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people always use the weak argument of comparing people to Hitler?
Catereddeathpanel ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:57:06 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he is actually acting like Hitler?
cromulent_frog ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:57 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know who else compared people to Hitler? Hitler.
Aavenell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:04 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, you people need to get your heads out of your asses. Hitler literally did the exact same thing with a different demographic. I hate calling him hitler, because it seems weak, but this is completely applicable.
sublime1123 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When history books look back at this time period and mention the media's approval rating being at 17%, articles like this will be cited.
197328645 ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 17:56:40 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what else Hitler did? Breathing. Checkmate!
morganvictoriaa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are all saying the exact same thing. Can't defend the policy?
Hello_Generic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:14:47 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't know how to have a rational discussion, because the cognitive dissonance might literally break them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he also didn't win the most votes in the election
the similarities are uncanny.
Sprockethead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to copy and paste now. Is that allowed?
When we study Hitler, we see that certain actions he took early in his career were indicators or signals of events to come. Breathing was not one of those indicators. However, publicly vilifying Jewish people - that turned out to be a significant early indicator of things to come. So that would be considered an important or significant event early in Hitler's career. Ok, now hold that thought in your head as you read the rest.
Because some of Trump's actions are overlapping with those important events I described before (not "breathing"), people are making a comparison.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:11:09 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is literally hitler
hrlngrv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:17 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll only believe that when he starts a White House blog named My Struggle.
Hooman_Bean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:11 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More of a 2.0 since he's using Hitlers playbook to a 'T'
shamoops ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:03 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities. Libs just can't seem to seperate them from legal immigrants. No wonder they lost congress, the whitehouse, and the supreme court
totokekedile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:18 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The order, however, doesnโt specify if this relates to just illegal immigrants, or all immigrants living in the US legally."
BigSexyPlant ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:25:19 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Nazi/Hitler card has gotten so overplayed that it's become a worse parody than Trump himself
screamtillitworks ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So did Hitler actually do the same or is this another misleading title?
Taome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps reading the article will help answer your question?
screamtillitworks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:39 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did. Based on the article, no he did not.
BrawndoTTM ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 17:53:15 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump breathes oxygen and exhales carbon dioxide. Hitler did the same.
redditrasberry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:30 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmm, good point. I guess breathing oxygen IS comparable to creating a propaganda list to smear a vulnerable minority and having it broadcast to the public each day. Let's move on then ...
parksdept ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:07:48 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there's no difference between breaking the law and being Jewish! Wait, the implications of this articles point are exceedingly racist...
clockworkgirl21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:14 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking the law? The order just says immigrants. It doesn't specify illegal immigrants.
parksdept ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:00 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it does, repeatedly. Try reading it for yourself rather than parroting a single line emphasized by a partisan editorialist.