The company I work for does this. I have said many times it should at the very least take you to the page with the download button, but no you have to navigate to it yourself. So many people hate doing that, I get calls about it all the time.
I have no idea what it would take to change it, I am not a programmer. I just know that most other programs will just update for you when you click the update button, it is what most people expect to happen. Our software takes you to the software page on our website, you then have to find the software you have and navigate to the download page. It's dumb.
Zmodem ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 22:19:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So, depending on the type of software your company has designed, writing secure code that downloads from an external source requires your company to assume some liability for damages directly caused by any screw ups during the transfer. Libraries and classes for this type of function are already written, and pretty secure already as long as you have a dev worth their salt to implement the feature. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, but it's a start. Even if the EULA states they are not liable, having it happen and getting a torrent of backlash is a whole other ballgame.
But, most of the time it's either being lazy, or the people who fund the entire operation want the customers dicking around through the website in the hopes that they may purchase more products.
If I have to dick around on a company's website because they're too shitty to do an in-program update, they're the LAST place I wanna purchase from.
Surprise, I'm a person and not just a human-shaped wallet.
Zmodem ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 23:46:59 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's probably a statistic somewhere for this, but at least one person will buy something they didn't intend to buy as a direct result of being forced to go to the site over an auto-update. That one is more than zero to the bottom line :( Corporations and their politics really make innovation and satisfaction take a backseat to the return.
mezbot ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:20:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
For that one person there are probably 100 others that say fuck this software and never go find the update. Itโs like having to type your email in to unsubscribe... Iโll go back to my email account and flag your message as a phishing attempt and hope you get blacklisted.
This is what I was thinking. A lot of programs do this. They download the installer and just open it. If the installer has a quiet cli command, it's painless
I'm pretty sure it has sth to do with "user engagement" and what not,some fancy marketing bs. If the company wanted to find a solution they would have.
I'm a dev and have implemented auto-updating on a Mac app before (pre-App Store, so it would update itself, as described above). It really was pretty easy to do, if you're using one of the existing libraries out there. This one just had you create a little XML feed that the app would watch, and if a new version was added, it would ask the user of they were ready to update, and then download/install/restart if they accepted. It took maybe the better part of a day to implement the feed and configure the library in the app. I'm sure there are multiple equivalent libraries for Windows.
ccricers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Curiously, hotfixes and updates are much more seamless and thorough in a lot of programmer dev kits. We usually run update/install commands on a text console and packages are sophisticated enough that they can download every dependency in the chain with little input from the user. Those long chains can take a while, but it's mostly automatic. Imagine I have to keep getting directed to npmjs.com every time Node tells me some package needs updating. Front-end developers will never get anything done!
I honestly have no clue why they do it the way they do. I am almost certain the programmers they have could figure out how to make it work like any sane person would think it should, but for some reason they don't.
Having recently deployed an app to production for my company without changing some of the dev settings and getting many confused questions soon after, this is definitely some shit I'd do lmao
We need to put it on a micro service on the cloud that uses block chain to train a neural net that determines the users favorite browser and opens it using that
You should be able to just create a link to the download. Some that I've came across that don't have a built in downloader link straight to the download, which opens your default browser and starts the download before redirecting to a thank you page with installation instructions for those who need it.
Though, even Adobe links to their site to update and they're Adobe.
Basically yes. Unless theyre constantly changing the URL of their downloads page for some reason
Mugen593 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:02 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It really isn't too crazy they could it a lot of different ways.
Create a separate program to perform the update that the launch window triggers and runs in a separate process not a thread within this main program process.
That program could close the main program (well really make the button that launches it once you hit OK, call the program then close so it close properly instead of the newly launched program closing the original)
Then that program actually downloads, extracts and runs the installer. It's not too hard to create a silent installer either, just package your source files up with InnoSetup (literally free) and you can create a silent switch for the exe (which really just calls the MSI contained within the EXE wrapper with the /qn (quiet no interaction) switch).
Or, if you don't wanna go and do all that, you can just have the button call the browser to the downloads page of the application. The program is launched in the user context so there shouldn't be permission issues, but even if there somehow was they could just have the button launch a local .html file they create that just simply directs to the live site's download page using the onLoad function in Javascript for when the page finishes loading.
There's a million ways to do it, but honestly the reason it most likely isn't done is probably because either their managers don't "see the value in dedicating resources to it" because their managers are MBA wielders, or BA in Business, without any understanding of actual programming. They don't understand that it is expected. I've witnessed this and have had this battle first hand (Imagine trying to explain technical concepts to an "IT Director" that doesn't know the difference between static and dhcp?)
If not that, it could also be their development is outsourced which is like tossing a 20 sided die and hoping for a nat 20 for quality work.
BluBlazr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:18:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Does your company clean the third letter of the alphabet?
It also seems like there is an update everytime I run it
krozarEQ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:32:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That is evil. I hated that about Windows programs. Been using Linux exclusively for a while though and that's not an issue at all anymore. Package managers are infinitely better. Not just with official repos but for git clones and anything else compiled can be wrapped into the package manager so that one simple command updates everything on your system. It's truely masterrace.
Power users used to demand manual updates, 20 years ago.
They wanted to be in control of their software, and install updates on their own schedule. Auto-updating software was viewed with suspicion -- if the vendor pushed a bad update, you could be left with inoperable software that you didn't ask for. And self-updating software often installed a daemon that ran in the background to fetch updates; if you were used to having applications start and stop exactly when told, having a background process that kept running after you closed the main application was less than ideal (e.g. the java updater system tray icon)
But that was a long time ago, and there is inevitably a whole generation of users who have only known a world in which software is installed/upgraded for you.
Automatic updates are great, as long as the updater daemons are well-behaved, and the vendor tests their patches well -- or at least rolls back bad patches quickly.
My company does that too! As an intern, it was my task to make an update button that
1) checks for new version
2) downloads latest update
3) closes software
3) run the update
4) open software again
I got it working really well by the end of summer, but unfortunately the higher-ups dont trust my code and wont put it in the official release, which is understandable, but still ):
krozarEQ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:29 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't feel bad. You're doing good work by making updates convenient.
I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!
noizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:54 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There are a couple of programs I use that have this problem. One of the devs got smart and implemented auto update as a premium feature for supporters (WinSCP). I thought that since I use WinSCP a few times a month, I might as well send the guy some beer money.
They better restructure it again because it's so immensely broken with the current game engine
luukfit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that really hard
JCreazy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't played the game in over 2 years. I decided I wanted to play it yesterday. It had like 96GB of updates.
No, I don't think I will.
bwabwa1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remembered the first time downloading FFXV. 85GB I think. I had to squint at the screen to make sure.
And you know what? That was on my old rig. It bottlenecked so bad. New rig? I said no. I refuse to download it again. I did. Shit took me 3hrs on my connection and some. How long did I play it for you asked? 30 minutes or so to see how it ran on my current system. Mind you it's fine, but 85 fucking gbs
3 hours for 85GB is pretty fast compared to most of the world, what are you complaining for?
bwabwa1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:02:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more of me reinstalling the game again for the second time to just see if it ran. It runs fine, minus some stuttering but I think I have to chalk it to Square for having unstable patches at times..
But you're right. 3hrs for 85gb is fast compared to other parts of the US. My fault.
Chimel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's far from dead lol, under what rock did you crawl out of?
merger3 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:30:11 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve heard this is because even a small tweak to a nap or character requires a full recompilation of it. So if even if the change is just to one small part the size is a lot bigger
Resources account for a majority of the size of a game and they are stored separately. Not to mention using dynamically linked runtime components. This should not be an excuse.
Nah, you would still only have to update the changed files or patch the differences.
The problem is usually shitty architecture (wait we have to patch bugs/content after release?!) or 'malice' as in they intentionally don't want to hand users tools, that could potentially be used to gain access to their data structures/modding. So having users download a massive amount of data is acceptable.
For example it's quite popular to put assets into packages and then to compress/encrypt them. That way it's necessary to download large packages, unless the patch tool on the users PC has 'the key to the city'. Well, that and you would have to develop&maintain a patching tool, which costs money..can't have that. Just update the master and let steam check&distribute it again..
Sometimes it's also more of a "we don't care" or "it would cost money to program it". Ever had a game, that reset ALL of your settings after a patch? Well, they could have written a migration tool to save most of your settings..
And then there's flat out stupid/greed..hey, here's a game that installs audio&video files for all languages by default, even though you probably won't use more than one. Aaaand we could pay for codec licensing or try to negotiate with open source solutions OR we simply store all these files as uncompressed wav files, because fuck your local storage space with 40+ gb of useless files..
Castun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:32:12 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Record scratch
You're probably asking yourself how I ended up here...
Helmic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:31:46 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Never trust closed source tools making changes to your registry, and in general never trust a corp. Open source tools can be more easily audited and are generally actually free, with no overt scheme to get your money through ads, pestering, whatever.
You sometimes don't have a choice (like with AV software) but when you do opt for open source by default.
I tried bleachbit very briefly - maybe I'm just dumb but it doesn't seem to really perform the same functions - namely no automated junk deletion
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's just a simple tool you run when you need to without all the cruft like automated junk deletion. If you're looking for that just keep using ccleaner.
If it doesn't delete the temp files I haven't touched in years, what's the point of it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:28 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
It DOES cleanup temporary files though. It just doesn't do it AUTOMATICALLY, some people don't like having things do stuff on their computer or having extra processes running for something that really SHOULD be run by the user. I gues that's just how I like to do things though, you do you.
I guess there is a misunderstanding here - when I said automated I meant as in I don't have to manually delete each and every temp file, not that it runs on a schedule.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:39 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah bleachbit does that, you just have to click the checkbox for for temp files. I'm sorry.
Ryguy55 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:03:48 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And when you actually go through the process and install the update, there's always a new one the following day. They've been steadily releasing a new update every 48 hours for years.
If you use the filehippo update checker, it automatically updates most of those programs including installation and it's free. I'm pretty sure they're run by piriform because most of their programs are hosted on there.
No joke I think the most viable alternative is Pornhub's SFW category. They just need to give it a different name. They already have the infrastructure to handle a massive amount of traffic.
I've just been waiting for them to release "VideoHub". Makes no sense that they haven't. With their revenue i wouldn't doubt it if they could make some deals for creators to make the move over
No joke I think the most viable alternative is Pornhub's SFW category. They just need to give it a different name. They already have the infrastructure to handle a massive amount of traffic.
A massive load?
akaSM ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
It's this thing called competition, now that google is elbowing their way into office productivity software MS can't just rest on their laurels
D-J97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is that now Microsoft is collecting more data on you than Google, they saw Google's model of offering software to be a massive data farm for people and thought "hey, they're making tonnes of money doing that, let's do that too" and now the 2 biggest tech companies know more about you than you know about you, and nobody seems to care? Well a small portion actually do and that's why we're getting a rise in FOSS adoption
this really isnt a good example of chrome being bad, flash should have been killed a decade ago, it's a liability to any system it's installed on. not that i disagree with you, but most of my issues with chrome stem from google's business models and practises
A necessary evil. A lot of people will never update and use something forever as long as it works. They need to be dragged kicking and screaming in to the future. Old versions are a huge security liability and a massive drain on support. At some point you just have to arbitrarily cut them off and that's exactly what was done with flash.
The only thing Iโm really complaining about is the cold turkey cuts that are a year early without (too much) warning. I remember seeing the โflash is dyingโ stuff from adobe years ago, but Chrome didnโt say it was going to do this afaik.
Adobe told people to stop using flash officially in 2015. There was no way any browser could continue supporting it even if they wanted to. But all of them gave warnings 2+ years in advance, but not in places the average end user would see. The roadmap for flash phase out started in 2015, the same year as the announcement.
Right I remember all that, Iโm talking more about chrome explicitly blocking java without telling anyone first. I understand why, Iโm just annoyed.
Are you talking about the NPAPI phase out? That was messy, there absolutely was some flip flopping. But they were 100% intent on removing it, the only disagreement between browsers was timelines. The the writing was on the wall and plugin makers had ample 2+ years of warning.
I mean, that's actually kind of a good thing though when you think about it. Security wise this is a fantastic thing and I love that flash is disabled now.
Yeah, it kinda just updates without you noticing at all. You'll just randomly see "we updated Chrome for ya buddy" when you start it without any interruption or hitch.
It's because it has a service that it constantly updates in background even if you literally never open it. Personally i don't like this approach, if all software do like this, we would need 16gb of ram just to keep in memory all the silent updaters that are run at start
Both of these (chrome too) have a service component that runs as NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM. Not exactly ideal there if ALL third party apps are doing it. Steam has recently had a couple wonderful little privilege escalations because of it (1, 2 ).
Sure; but to be clear, my issue is with even more 3rd party developers having a SYSTEM service just so they can transparently bypass UAC. Those apps have no business there.
I'd be happier if Windows had better 3rd-party package repository support in Windows store and everything went through the same framework.
The best case solution imo would be for 1) UAC to be significantly harder to turn off. Anything below max level is effectively off from a dev pov. 2) UAC to look a lot more like when you install a mobile app, with a permission manifest, or alternatively JIT permission requests. Unfortunately that may break win32 and ms will never do that for fairly obvious reasons.
Max-P ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:23:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK that was one of the goals of UWP apps but since they launched it with Windows 8 and everyone hated it, it still doesn't have much popularity even on Windows 10. Everyone still just downloads Win32 apps the old way and don't even bother with the Microsoft Store.
Here's the thing, you don't need to bypass UAC to do auto updates. Just prompt for UAC when you need to update, it's not that hard.
I'd be happier if Windows had better 3rd-party package repository support in Windows store and everything went through the same framework.
Windows does have this, but who is going to manage it?
Celmor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:37 on August 29, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It does have some 3rd party packaging support using "NuGets". There's a framework for it using Powershell on which an experimental package manager from Microsoft called OneGet (now just called PackageManagement) built on. There's a similar but 3rd party package manager called Chocolatey which I prefer and use for most of my applications installed on my dev machine.
As for privileges, it depends on commands run as admin, there's also a GUI but I would think it also needs to be started with Admin privileges on startup. Advantage though is that you only need to give the privileges once when updating all programs.
ric2b ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 22:47:22 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It can, it's called a package manager and we've had them on Linux since forever. The programs don't even need to handle updates themselves, it's less work for developers.
IcerOut ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:14:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
it's called a package manager and we've had them on Linux since forever
They're available on Windows too, they're just not commonly used. Personally I use Chocolatey and it's been working pretty great (although it's not quite as good as apt). And I think the Windows Powershell has an integrated package manager too (?) but I've never heard of anyone really using it.
The technology is fine, and if you have your own packages it's great, but if you're looking for "apt for Windows" there's more to it than that.
Because so few people actually use it there are no major developers/publishers that want to bother maintaining packages, it is all done by the community. Packages being out of date is the norm, and there's no guarantee that the person that put a package together actually did a good job of it.
I agree. Long-time fan of Synaptic. Made life with Linux so much easier on quite a few occasions. The Windows Store is a hot mess by comparison.
thiefx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:15:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer Paint.Net as it asks if you want to update when you exit the program next.
sorenant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:08:54 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox had a few problems lately. Like when it deleted all extensions due to outdated certificate, then required an update that wiped the browser (preferences, bookmarks).
I don't know what the second one you're talking about is, my preferences haven't been wiped. The first one would have happened regardless of automatic updates.
sorenant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't widespread as the certificate case, but while googling for solutions I found that there were a fair number of affected users.
Kaisogen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised to see how Linux repositories work.
All of your software comes from securely vetted collections. You install it from a repo, and then updates are automatically applied to all of your software when you update, including your system. All the libraries, software, system updates, everything. AND, it's done in the background. The only thing that requires a restart is system updates, and even then, only some things, and even livepatch is becoming more common removing the need for reboot.
Windows is FAR behind Linux in this aspect.
-theIvy- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Corporations keep it afloat it because it is supported when you license it.
I can't imagine many companies still use it. You only get continued support with annual maintenance, and ZIP has been supported natively in Windows for almost twenty years now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I've been working IT for a long while and never come across WinZip. That isn't to say that the world reflects my experience, but I'd expect any IT professional to propose native ZIP or 7-Zip to replace WinZip. There's nothing the finance team loves more than having the IT department make a software proposal that saves OPEX.
anapoe ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:10 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We still do. The second or third thing I do on any new pc is install 7zip and change default programs.
I said "I can't imagine many companies still use it [WinZip]" and you replied "We still do."
If you use 7-Zip then presumably you're not using WinZip, and that's effectively the point I was trying to make. No point in paying for licensed software that is arguably inferior to a native/free utility.
anapoe ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I for sure don't get to tell IT what programs they should or shouldn't be licensing.
-theIvy- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:30 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnt windows have a built in zip decoder? I use it frequently.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:20 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Scripting and automation are the key here. For example, my company has thousands of scripts and automations that use WinZip command line. Even if Windows zip had a robust enough command line feature (it really doesn't for this purpose) that would mean thousands of changes and tons of testing that has to happen. And because the folks who set things up are used to using it, they continue to create new ones using WinZip. Our go forward in new programming is to use the System.IO.Compression in any DotNet code we do instead of shelling to an external program but that doesn't solve the backwards issue or the issue with new setups that don't have new programming attached.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fine for a few items. Not fine for thousands of scripts across multiple systems. You have to realize every script has to be changed and tested, including the recipient ensuring they can extract properly.
dandu3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can also one click extract with 7-Zip with some tweaking, but I don't really use it because oftenetimes I only need a single file from an archive that is tens of gigabytes in size and extracting everything just to get that one file isn't worth it.
xyifer12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 29, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not, that's a shitty circlejerk i'm really sick of. 7-zip and WinRAR are competitors that both have exclusive features, neither is an upgrade over the other.
Windows would really benefit from better package management for 3rd party apps. The Store kind of solves this but apparently it's kind of a pain to submit any app that is not developed in Microsofts own UWP framework since it would have to run outside the sandbox.
Package managers are awesome so long as people review the content. The node ecosystem, for example, is pretty terrifying from a security point of view.
Donโt remind me of the shitshow of /node_modules/
I believe Angular 7 started taking a damn hint because theyโve now unbundle a ton of dependencies out of the Core bundle so install doesnโt fucking grab the whole universe anymore.
gslone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:07:56 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, do a npm install in the most basic ansible project - boom, that folder now holds about 80.000 files. no joke
ekclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:12 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why does this always comes up when someone mentions large files. As you dont have to install shit ton of files on laravel or nuget packages for c#
Its not like the user will see any of this, this will be compiled to a optimized version.
gslone ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:01 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's a struggle to store nodejs dev projects in dropbox or on nfs because of this. This is not the "enterprise" use case, i know. but sometimes you just want to hack together an app and share it between desktops.
ubuku ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:40:32 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You dont need to send those modules, as long as you include package.json and just npm install everything on the recieving end.
For anything open source, that's easily (subjectively) fixable even by third parties. Find the repo, set up an automated build process and auto update chocolatey on successful builds of master. There's more steps than what I just described, but once the system is in place, it's pretty much automated from there.
agrhb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of have to agree. Some packages are often quite out of date, but popular applications like Notepad++ and such are updated fast enough.
On the other hand, I (along with most people) have no critical need for very up to date packages on Windows. If you were trying to do something programming related that would obviously be a huge issue, but Iโd use Linux for that anyways.
In comparison to most Linux package managers - which usually have most significant software, often maintained and kept current - Chocolatey really pales in comparison.
Sorry, long rant because I've been repeatedly burned by choco. I just needed to vent...
Chocolatey packages are routinely out of date for all but the 20-30 most popular ones maintained by the core team. I've tried it 5 or 6 times since the early alphas and finally gave up on it within the last year.
There are 3 core problems with Chocolatey:
1) You have to trust the maintainers to do things like not overwrite config or user data files. I've had constant headaches with losing configuration files, programs being installed to bizarre paths, and a dizzying array of folder structures that seem to stretch into the furthest reaches of space. For example, if you install the Chocolatey version of RetroArch, the default for RA is to save game states in the program directory. The upgrade script deletes the folder with no confirmation, so goodbye game saves. At one point the Logitech drivers package spawned 50+ folders recursively. When these bugs happen, they are never cleaned up. An update might fix stuff like the folders bug from happening in the future, but it'll never clean up the mess it creates.
(Just checked and found that I missed one of these folder spirals. I have: C:\Users\username\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey. They're all empty except a couple have folders with program names that are also empty.)
2) Since choco packages are community maintained instead of pulling from the developers' sites, and you'll usually have to run the installation or Choco itself as admin, there's no protection from a nasty payload hitching a ride, or more likely, a well-intentioned dependency getting applied to incorrectly target systems. I've definitely had Windows Updates and runtimes that were not applicable to Win10 applied by choco packages.
3) Maintainers not on the core team disappear constantly and it will be months before packages are picked up again, if ever. There's no way to know when this happens. One day you'll think, "Hmm, Program X hasn't updated in a while. I wonder if it's been discontinued..." Then you check the software's site and find that you're using a version 2 years out of date. This happened with around a quarter of the 200 ish packages I had installed. Updating the the newest versions manually without uninstalling the choco versions had a 50/50 chance of causing problems - double installs, 32/64 bit version changes, install location changes, registry values overwritten, etc.
(minor sub-rant) And lord help you if you were foolish enough to use ChocolateyGUI instead of the command line because that dumpster fire of escalation and checksum bugs will obliterate install option changes, uninstall manual fixes/installs, and half install updates. It's updated once per millennia, though they appear to fix typos daily on Appveyor, and is really an embarrassment to the choco project. The last 'stable' is 1.5 years old and isn't even registered properly with the main choco community repo to deliver prerelease builds. 'Prerelease' builds are every bit as unstable and broken as stable. 3 years to go from v0.12 to v0.16 and 1.5 years (and counting) to get to 0.17, so expect v1.0 around the heat death of the universe. And it truly feels like it deserves those low version numbers, too.
There are ways around these problems, like setting up your own repo, manually verifying every install procedure, constantly nagging maintainers on new version launches, etc, but at the end of the day, it's as much work as tracking down individual updates.
I now use Ketarin - free, open source program that basically downloads the author's web page, finds the download link (there's an easy mode and full regex filter mode), and downloads the installer. The largest barrier was that I had to slowly built up a library of profiles one program at a time, since many of the community profiles are out of date or incompatible with my organizational setup. It's imperfect and requires some manual intervention on occasion, but it pulls the installer with hash check from the true source, forced me to learn regex better, and gives me complete control (or at least no one to blame but myself) over every update. Ketarin isn't for everyone and is a small pet project for a few devs, but choco feels like a flop.
agrhb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, Chocolatey has itโs problems, but it still is a hell of a lot more usable than the manual way to manage applications.
Thankfully gaming on Linux is getting better and better so I can have a proper package manager on my Desktop at some point.
kihashi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'd heard that they are allowing win32 apps in the store now. Or at least they announced they will.
Back in early 2019 windows kept autoinstalling an nvidia driver on my laptop that broke a good chunk of my games and caused them to immediately crash before splash screens half the time. Was infuriating.
-Argih ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:36 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
huh. I never felt the urge to update 7-zip or putty. They just do what they do as far as I'm concerned. If there is a feature in git that I must have, then sure I'll upgrade it.
They've had a few security updates; not so much feature updates - which is even more a reason why I like doing so: it doesn't break my tooling but it does fix the vulnerabilities.
Nah, not for me. I don't want to rely on maintainers, I prefer the Windows method where I have complete control over my programs.
MrEppart ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:07:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Package managers are like crack for lazy people. A single command does most of my maintenance. A single terminal in the background and no more pop ups begging for updates, except for steam; valve plz fix
Dudurin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Teach me, please. I can postpone an update for a year.
.net 2.0 had this with clickonce. I used it for an internal application at my first job. Trivial to set up with the option to update when you close the app. Not sure why it isn't more standard.
the best update system is linux's package manager. 1 command / button(depending on what you prefer) to update everything on your computer. you can use your computer while it updates, and even use the programs that are updating as they update. you just need to restart the programs when YOU feel like it to use the newer version
While we are at it, tell me about the update when I close the program, not start up. When I am starting up, I don't want to wait an extra 5 minutes for you to update. But when I'm done, sure, take all the time you need.
Nothing worse than closing down the computer to go home at the end of the day and have to sit at your desk another 5 minutes while Windows says "Updating. Do not turn off your computer."
Kali0z ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:14:01 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Better have it at logout than login, at least you can choose whan it happens (e.g. At lunch pause).
It's never that simple, I tell you. Something always breaks.
Taomach ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:23:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, my Arch desktop runs silky smooth for periods that are longer than the Windows release cycle.
Max-P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:21 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Mine has outlived two computers and several hard drives at this point. Arch is so damn easy to fix/recover when you know what you're doing... The same cannot be said of Windows the majority of the times.
Taomach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:20 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Two major upgrades for me. You just stick the HDD in a new box, maybe edit the Xorg config, and just boot the fucker up. It's like magic.
But then the upgrade breaks and you don't know why. Cue hunting down the error code in Google for 3 hours. End up deleting everything and starting over.
Kaisogen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:48:51 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Any error you'll get is most definitely the users fault. I've done some dumb things before. I'm not gonna blame the OS for my faults, I'm going to say I did something wrong in Bash CLI.
For example: installing ppas/repos outside of system version, importing broken packages or manually editing config files instead of using package manager, purging instead of removing, etc. All of the issues I've had in the past were caused by me.
been using Linux for like 4 or 5 year now. the only error ive had while updating was that time I forgot it was updating and forced a shutdown. like cut the power forced a shutdown. it had some major issues, but I blame myself 100%. i wanted to reinstall anyways so I didnt care at all
But that updates the repo listings (-Sy) without actually installing the packages from there, meaning it's a partial upgrade, which are explicitly not supported by Arch Linux!
Makes sense. I mean, in case you do pacman -S one day to install a single new package - it will install the newest version from latest repositories, while your other installed packages wouldn't necessarily be updated.
dreamer_ ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:25:22 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Most of them are proprietary softwares... Can't use alternatives for the non proprietary, as I pass files back and forth with coworkers who use the same.
Taomach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:26 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really use, like, 48 different proprietary file formats just for one job? Genuinely curious, what field do you work in?
Game development, mixed with scientific simulation and visualization. It's a really weird mix of a company, but we basically just do whatever work is contracted out to us, whether it's Ubisoft or the National Science Foundation. So it's a wide range of stuff.
Taomach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dare I say, I'm a bit of a scientist myself. Linux vastly outperforms Windows in terms of the data analysis software availability and usability, at least in my field (neuroscience). Data acquisition, yes, there are problems (no proprietary ADC drivers), but when you need to crunch those numbers, Windows is a real handicap. As for the gamedev, I have no idea about that field, and, given that the target platform is usually Windows, it would make sense if there was a lot of win-only software involved, so that would be one of those rare cases where there really is no choice. Sucks for you, if that's so. :-)
Salty2G ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:07:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Msi asterburner/rivia tuner
greedo10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:29 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Then it just breaks for no apparent reason after you update and you have to completely uninstall both programs loosing all of your overclocks, overlays and shortcuts...
Unless it's security software, in which case trusting automated downloads is questionable. Password managers for instance shouldn't have a one-click update button.
My main experience dealing with arch (well Manjaro, I did run arch for a while but the UX was the least of that installations problems) is usually "oh now what, what's gone wrong this time?"
It seems to have a very high rate of random glitches and issues
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:27 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well, my experience is the opposite, I run Manjaro since October 2016, never had an issue and it's still my everyday workstation. No fresh install since that day.
If not related to broken packages, usually the system itself has nothing to do with the "random glitches and issues", who honestly, means nothing if you can't track those glitches and issues.
To give an analogy, It's like overclocking the cpu and fail to boot the system or having random reboots due to the settings (voltage for example), and blame the OS.
Usually the root of the problem is related to the graphic driver and/or the DE.
Usually the root of the problem is related to the graphic driver and/or the DE.
In my experience the problems new users tend to complain about exist somewhere between the chair and the keyboard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:35 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that I would blame a new user who must deal with the failed boot of the OS due to the stubbornness of the Nouveau driver, or the crash of the desktop for a shit plasmoid or extension that was on the store, or the newer version of a library after a safe update, with a deprecated function called by some legacy code, resulting in a wtf is happening.
The rants of new users are often kinda annoying and pointless, but beside this, some distro just have a long history of rolling out something quite bugged. Can you hear me, Ubuntu?
What I meant by that was more problems that only seem to occur in arch-based distros. Less 'glitch' and more 'weird shit that should just work but doesn't'
For example:
On Manjaro, I can't set my laptop to, when the lid is closed, sleep on battery, and do nothing when plugged in. It always goes to sleep regardless of whether its plugged in or on battery, despite whatever is in the settings. This might just be something screwy ith Manjaro though, since regular Arch worked fine
The other issue is that the scren resolution will randomly reset itself to 1024x768 if I reboot. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, but it seems like around a 20% chance on boot it will be running at 1024x768. Weirdly, if I then go into display settings, it tells me it reccommends 1920x1080, and setting it back to that then works fine. This one happens in every Arch-based distro I've tried, but not in any Debian/SUSE/Fedora based ones
Arch also had ridiculous trouble dealing with my Wi-Fi, though that one is equally likely to be me making a mistake during config, since neither Manjaro nor Netrunner Rolling had that problem
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:48:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, we both win a few downvotes for saying truths that the imbeciles can't acknowledge due being slaves of the their dumb fanboyism.
That's why I usually avoid discussing distros on Reddit.
Btw, I understand what you mean.
However, my points are still valid, and even endorsed after your descriptions: both power management (not directly managed but it can interfere and usually will interfere) and the fallback to that resolution have a common denominator, the graphic driver (the open one, especially) .
I also got these kind of issues and funny enough, on Debian related systems, Mint excluded.
I don't know your current level but if I can (and if you can't track the issues), I would suggest you to learn the basics to move up and down through the kernel/graphic driver versions, just to find out which one gives you less or no hassles at all.
The only difference I was able to spot between a working distro fand a non working one, were those.
Kernel version A would work with graphic driver Y, but fail with driver X and vice-versa.
Obviously it's just a workaround, but even if I know how to look at the stack trace to find out what's going on, I wouldn't do it, a system that breaks often is a burden for me and something that only our downvoters would enjoy and praise, because they life sucks and they have plenty of time to waste behind a defective toy ๐
Jaklcide ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:41:21 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse, you don't download a patch, you download the entire installer again every month with installer, installer(1),installer(2), etc littering your downloads folder.
(Etcher I can somewhat understand as there is no installation and the downloaded file is already a fully functioning program but I wouldn't mind an installation and easy updates. )
Second biggest. The biggest is opening my browser when I tell you I wanna uninstall. No, I didn't wanna give you my IP Address, just because I'm uninstalling. I miss the early 2000's, when I could use certain firewall programs (now defunct) that would ask me any time any program did nearly anything, even making calls to other programs, i.e. browsers, making this impossible.
Clogrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:56 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Clownfish...
DrFab1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There is some stupid open source program that I HAD to use for school where the donate, update, and purchase buttons would giggle and flash until you did all 3.
Better than a Windows 10 update that destroys the display driver and forces you to rollback to recover to a functional operating systrn. All without prompting the user..
Oh, there's plenty worse than that. I call CCleaner to the stand, which shamelessly flashes up a notification that there is a new version to download, but automatically sends you to the paid version with no option to download any putative new free version.
I prefer this way tbh, don't want a program tampering with files and requesting admin permissions unless I know specifically what files are being changed
Devil's advocate: automatic updating could be a backdoor for remote arbitrary code execution.
Kats41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's disgusting that any company would do this when their programmers could literally write a simple patcher in a couple days to a week tops that automatically updates it.
This is not the single biggest sin for programming. That would be online only usability.
yoashmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking at you CCleaner
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:17 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is the second biggest sin.. The biggest is if it takes you to the sourceforge page to download their version of it..
jinxTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
GPU-Z... And if I delete the older versions Windows tries to start them up and a pop up comes up saying โThis file is marked for deletion. Could not openโ for every version I previously had. If anyone could help me with this that would be great. Your boy just trying to monitor his temps
lol fucking Windows itself is guilty of this. The "Click here to change you default browser to Firefox" button in the OS takes you to the main settings page, it's actually ridiculous.
Ummm, how about the update that just fails to update properly and fucks up everything to the extent that you have to manually, or with a special utility, remove the program in its entirety and then reinstall from scratch?
Ugh I wish KeePass2 didnt do this. It's my single biggest gripe with it, because the only time I open the app is when I'm in a rush trying to get a password, so i don't have time to navigate to the website, then navigate to the downloads page, then open my downloads folder and run the installer and restart the app...
Seniri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:31 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Same happened to me a lot. I can feel it again now
Core308 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No the biggest sin a program can make is to pre check all those other bloatware programs it offers to install along with the program you want.
REMEMBER ALWAYS DO A CUSTOM INSTALL AND UNCHECK THAT SHIT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual Box always does this, I don't know why it takes you to the website to manually download the update. Especially because its an Oracle program and you would think that they would be looking for the most convenient and efficient way of doing things.
You think this is bad. My company, you have to log in and download the firmware file. Then download a separate software that works as an updater and install it.
Then register your device to the software.
Then update it.
Ive been pushing for an update on this redicukous procrss for years
The best way I've seen a program handle an update where it needs to close the program is Paint.NET. It has an option "Install when I exit" and I always use it.
FYI auto updating is hard. You can accomplish it, but it takes a lot of finessing to prevent virus scanners from detecting the resulting application as a threat.
Best solution I have found/come up with is a secondary executable contained in the first, which gets dumped to the install folder, handles the update process and then kills/deletes itself from command line with a short delay.
cspjohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
FileZilla deserves a plus. They update often, but the entire process is automated and super fast. Much love. Paint.net is similar, though it asks if you want to update right now or after exit.
Although overall somewhat atrocious (from what I remember), at least HP Support Assistant did seek and find the latest drivers for my computer automatically, even if it took its sweet time checking what was available on their servers.
Having seen the latest version on my 7 year old HP laptop, it seems it had gotten substantially better since it's earlier days, way back to the shortlived era that was Windows 8 (those really were fun times). In no way would I like to scour their website for driver updates, given how bad THAT is to use.
At least Asus's support website is not the worst out there, but my biggest gripe is figuring out what particular drivers I need to install on my system (half of them are downright useless). Not only that, remembering what drivers I had installed last time is an annoyance, given there's no simple surefire way of truly knowing. Sure, there is now finally an indication whether a driver has already been downloaded or not, but it really feels like it's not enough, especially here in mid 2019.
kevtree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:22 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest sin is telling you about updates when allegedly this has been disabled. The single biggest reason I've uninstalled seemingly top of the line free, critically acclaimed anti-virus programs.
MibMoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:55 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's often with programs that have pro or premium versions. Like CCleaner and malwarebytes. They will say there are updates when you have paid for them and download them from the program. But if you use the free versions they just take you to the websites.
The biggest scam of this century is software updates. Apart from Minecraft, they 99% of the time end up being useless, buggy, causing major problems, removing functionalities, introducing malwares etc.
So, I'm glad when something doesn't update automatically, and doesn't update at all.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:11:42 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There is gonna be a console pleb saying: โconsole doesnโt have this problem!โ, those updates cost money for the company to put it on the ps4 mainframe for updating
Looking at apples vs oranges. An Athlon 200GE would be superior in single-core performance, but probably lose out in games that utilize multiple cores.
I'd never consider a used component in a comparison build, because when you go there you might as well consider the price of a used PS4, which is even cheaper.
Using only "new" parts (and I'm including obsolete stuff here) the only usefully comparable configuration would be a Ryzen 3 2200G with 8GB RAM, as a full package can be put together for around $250 and would beat the hell out of the PS4 for CPU, but the GPU is more comparable to Xbox One -- i.e. 900p/low/30fps vs PS4's 1080p/low/30fps, especially with the substantially reduced memory bandwidth.
You can match the PS4's GPU (RX 560), but then even using an obsolete CPU the system is going to come in over $300 -- anything lower is impossible (unless you go for used parts, but then you'd have to compare used PS4s and you're absolutely going to lose on price/performance there).
But if you want to compare price/performance for PCs versus PS4 Pro, the comparison does get a lot easier -- RX 570 + Athlon 200GE + 8GB RAM gets you in the price/performance ballpark, and you'll be trading single-core CPU performance and multi-core CPU performance but everything else is essentially the same. It might be possible to trade up to a Ryzen 3 and blow the PS4P's CPU performance out of the water by spending just a little bit more.
To do Xbox One X? Trade the RX 570 for an RX 580 and then the only thing you're short on is VRAM.
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WolfsLairAbyss ยท 1539 points ยท Posted at 18:39:07 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The company I work for does this. I have said many times it should at the very least take you to the page with the download button, but no you have to navigate to it yourself. So many people hate doing that, I get calls about it all the time.
platoprime ยท 496 points ยท Posted at 21:24:13 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is it as simple as changing the link it directs you to? Like you just have to go change some const somewhere?
WolfsLairAbyss ยท 303 points ยท Posted at 21:30:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what it would take to change it, I am not a programmer. I just know that most other programs will just update for you when you click the update button, it is what most people expect to happen. Our software takes you to the software page on our website, you then have to find the software you have and navigate to the download page. It's dumb.
Zmodem ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 22:19:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So, depending on the type of software your company has designed, writing secure code that downloads from an external source requires your company to assume some liability for damages directly caused by any screw ups during the transfer. Libraries and classes for this type of function are already written, and pretty secure already as long as you have a dev worth their salt to implement the feature. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, but it's a start. Even if the EULA states they are not liable, having it happen and getting a torrent of backlash is a whole other ballgame.
But, most of the time it's either being lazy, or the people who fund the entire operation want the customers dicking around through the website in the hopes that they may purchase more products.
TheSpiderDungeon ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 23:41:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If I have to dick around on a company's website because they're too shitty to do an in-program update, they're the LAST place I wanna purchase from.
Surprise, I'm a person and not just a human-shaped wallet.
Zmodem ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 23:46:59 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's probably a statistic somewhere for this, but at least one person will buy something they didn't intend to buy as a direct result of being forced to go to the site over an auto-update. That one is more than zero to the bottom line :( Corporations and their politics really make innovation and satisfaction take a backseat to the return.
mezbot ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:20:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
For that one person there are probably 100 others that say fuck this software and never go find the update. Itโs like having to type your email in to unsubscribe... Iโll go back to my email account and flag your message as a phishing attempt and hope you get blacklisted.
SprooseMoose_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wish these walking wallets knew their place and stopped acting so god damned righteous
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:33:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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anor_wondo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I was thinking. A lot of programs do this. They download the installer and just open it. If the installer has a quiet cli command, it's painless
TravellerInTime88 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:34:13 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it has sth to do with "user engagement" and what not,some fancy marketing bs. If the company wanted to find a solution they would have.
BradleyPlaysPC ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:07:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We have 1000 more clicks per day, just by making them hunt for their updates! Cooper, you're an evil genius!
SwabTheDeck ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:29:39 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a dev and have implemented auto-updating on a Mac app before (pre-App Store, so it would update itself, as described above). It really was pretty easy to do, if you're using one of the existing libraries out there. This one just had you create a little XML feed that the app would watch, and if a new version was added, it would ask the user of they were ready to update, and then download/install/restart if they accepted. It took maybe the better part of a day to implement the feed and configure the library in the app. I'm sure there are multiple equivalent libraries for Windows.
ccricers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Curiously, hotfixes and updates are much more seamless and thorough in a lot of programmer dev kits. We usually run update/install commands on a text console and packages are sophisticated enough that they can download every dependency in the chain with little input from the user. Those long chains can take a while, but it's mostly automatic. Imagine I have to keep getting directed to npmjs.com every time Node tells me some package needs updating. Front-end developers will never get anything done!
anor_wondo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:03 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've found that developer oriented products have always been quite good. And all this "developers are worst users" is complete bs.
jerusa7em ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:51 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but isn't updating FileZilla the most satisfying thing in the world >>>
Mightnotdeletethis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is it hp? This sounds like some dumb hp shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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WolfsLairAbyss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:58 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly have no clue why they do it the way they do. I am almost certain the programmers they have could figure out how to make it work like any sane person would think it should, but for some reason they don't.
UnrivalleD ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 21:36:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It is literally just changing a link, they're silly
meeenfou ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:39:39 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And maybe code it to upeate the link at every n+1 update, but yeah, it's simple as
UnrivalleD ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 21:41:02 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There should just be one download page that gets updated with new content when a new version is pushed to production
dassub ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:24:07 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing some dev teams, they'd have the link point to pre-prod and not notice until customers have problems with it.
thats_amoore ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:26:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Having recently deployed an app to production for my company without changing some of the dev settings and getting many confused questions soon after, this is definitely some shit I'd do lmao
CaptaiNiveau ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:46:38 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This dude lives in 3019.
bongos_mongos ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:39:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
System.Diagnostics.Process.Start("http://google.com");
haloguysm1th ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:47:45 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not enough enterprise. Needs 3 singletons and a few factories in there before we can even think of starting a whole web page on the users machine
Daeurth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:17 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can we add an Iterator in there too?
haloguysm1th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We need to put it on a micro service on the cloud that uses block chain to train a neural net that determines the users favorite browser and opens it using that
ki11bunny ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:13:25 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it would literally be that simple. All they have to do is as you say, change the link they are directing you too.
bigclivedotcom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:31:58 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's super easy to do in both the program and the website ends.
MyrddinDeCelestis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You should be able to just create a link to the download. Some that I've came across that don't have a built in downloader link straight to the download, which opens your default browser and starts the download before redirecting to a thank you page with installation instructions for those who need it.
Though, even Adobe links to their site to update and they're Adobe.
dudeabodes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:50 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
One of the many reasons I hate Adobe.
hahaigotkilled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Basically yes. Unless theyre constantly changing the URL of their downloads page for some reason
Mugen593 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:02 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It really isn't too crazy they could it a lot of different ways.
Create a separate program to perform the update that the launch window triggers and runs in a separate process not a thread within this main program process.
That program could close the main program (well really make the button that launches it once you hit OK, call the program then close so it close properly instead of the newly launched program closing the original)
Then that program actually downloads, extracts and runs the installer. It's not too hard to create a silent installer either, just package your source files up with InnoSetup (literally free) and you can create a silent switch for the exe (which really just calls the MSI contained within the EXE wrapper with the /qn (quiet no interaction) switch).
Or, if you don't wanna go and do all that, you can just have the button call the browser to the downloads page of the application. The program is launched in the user context so there shouldn't be permission issues, but even if there somehow was they could just have the button launch a local .html file they create that just simply directs to the live site's download page using the onLoad function in Javascript for when the page finishes loading.
There's a million ways to do it, but honestly the reason it most likely isn't done is probably because either their managers don't "see the value in dedicating resources to it" because their managers are MBA wielders, or BA in Business, without any understanding of actual programming. They don't understand that it is expected. I've witnessed this and have had this battle first hand (Imagine trying to explain technical concepts to an "IT Director" that doesn't know the difference between static and dhcp?)
If not that, it could also be their development is outsourced which is like tossing a 20 sided die and hoping for a nat 20 for quality work.
BluBlazr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:18:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Does your company clean the third letter of the alphabet?
ACardAttack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It also seems like there is an update everytime I run it
krozarEQ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:32:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That is evil. I hated that about Windows programs. Been using Linux exclusively for a while though and that's not an issue at all anymore. Package managers are infinitely better. Not just with official repos but for git clones and anything else compiled can be wrapped into the package manager so that one simple command updates everything on your system. It's truely masterrace.
ComputerMystic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:30 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Watch this get downboated to Oblivion because "Linux has no games!"
merreborn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:03 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Power users used to demand manual updates, 20 years ago.
They wanted to be in control of their software, and install updates on their own schedule. Auto-updating software was viewed with suspicion -- if the vendor pushed a bad update, you could be left with inoperable software that you didn't ask for. And self-updating software often installed a daemon that ran in the background to fetch updates; if you were used to having applications start and stop exactly when told, having a background process that kept running after you closed the main application was less than ideal (e.g. the java updater system tray icon)
But that was a long time ago, and there is inevitably a whole generation of users who have only known a world in which software is installed/upgraded for you.
Automatic updates are great, as long as the updater daemons are well-behaved, and the vendor tests their patches well -- or at least rolls back bad patches quickly.
DrKnockOut99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My company does that too! As an intern, it was my task to make an update button that
1) checks for new version
2) downloads latest update
3) closes software
3) run the update
4) open software again
I got it working really well by the end of summer, but unfortunately the higher-ups dont trust my code and wont put it in the official release, which is understandable, but still ):
krozarEQ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:29 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't feel bad. You're doing good work by making updates convenient.
Blendin_haymaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:48 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!
noizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:54 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There are a couple of programs I use that have this problem. One of the devs got smart and implemented auto update as a premium feature for supporters (WinSCP). I thought that since I use WinSCP a few times a month, I might as well send the guy some beer money.
anonX1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I love a program that auto updates without needing to go to a website and download the installer.
MrCemtex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do you by any chance work for piriform?
Tony1697 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Noone uses piriform products any more since avast bought them right? Even if they fixed their virus, never again. Use bleachbit
SirDjHuskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:51 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Company i used to work for would have the Support deploy new versions on our clients machines, individually.
No update link, no autoupdate. Manual. Fucking. Updates. Maybe the devs where too lazy, maybe they was over-worked with all the other projects.
All i know is it was a shit method of having our clients software up to date.
zshaan6493 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
One of the thing Windows Store on Windows 10 helps resolve.
RareSumo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Store? Haha, gross.
ComputerMystic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:21 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also something a functional package manager would resolve.
DMWanderer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
r/assholedesign
Glordit ยท 245 points ยท Posted at 20:42:41 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Clicks update
Checking files...
Update starting... downloading 300Kb's of 45Gb's.
Record scratch
Hits pause
"Wha-What? That's the size of the entire game?"
Chimel ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 21:54:53 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The 60ish GB rainbow six update made me uninstall
luukfit ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 22:56:22 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but they restructured the game too make future updates smaller
dezenzerrick ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 00:55:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I guess 59 gb is smaller than 60 gb
Glorck-2018 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:31:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They better restructure it again because it's so immensely broken with the current game engine
luukfit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that really hard
JCreazy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't played the game in over 2 years. I decided I wanted to play it yesterday. It had like 96GB of updates.
No, I don't think I will.
bwabwa1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remembered the first time downloading FFXV. 85GB I think. I had to squint at the screen to make sure.
And you know what? That was on my old rig. It bottlenecked so bad. New rig? I said no. I refuse to download it again. I did. Shit took me 3hrs on my connection and some. How long did I play it for you asked? 30 minutes or so to see how it ran on my current system. Mind you it's fine, but 85 fucking gbs
Glorck-2018 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:31:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
3 hours for 85GB is pretty fast compared to most of the world, what are you complaining for?
bwabwa1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:02:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more of me reinstalling the game again for the second time to just see if it ran. It runs fine, minus some stuttering but I think I have to chalk it to Square for having unstable patches at times..
But you're right. 3hrs for 85gb is fast compared to other parts of the US. My fault.
Chimel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
1 mb/s gang
pentium4gamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I actually took a whole day to download GTAV. :(
potato11teen ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:39:39 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dead game, you're better off this way.
Glorck-2018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's far from dead lol, under what rock did you crawl out of?
merger3 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:30:11 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve heard this is because even a small tweak to a nap or character requires a full recompilation of it. So if even if the change is just to one small part the size is a lot bigger
nambitable ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:24:53 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Resources account for a majority of the size of a game and they are stored separately. Not to mention using dynamically linked runtime components. This should not be an excuse.
onyxrecon008 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:17 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Depends if they redid assets
ric2b ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:49:52 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Usually it's lazyness.
Nienordir ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you would still only have to update the changed files or patch the differences.
The problem is usually shitty architecture (wait we have to patch bugs/content after release?!) or 'malice' as in they intentionally don't want to hand users tools, that could potentially be used to gain access to their data structures/modding. So having users download a massive amount of data is acceptable.
For example it's quite popular to put assets into packages and then to compress/encrypt them. That way it's necessary to download large packages, unless the patch tool on the users PC has 'the key to the city'. Well, that and you would have to develop&maintain a patching tool, which costs money..can't have that. Just update the master and let steam check&distribute it again..
Sometimes it's also more of a "we don't care" or "it would cost money to program it". Ever had a game, that reset ALL of your settings after a patch? Well, they could have written a migration tool to save most of your settings..
And then there's flat out stupid/greed..hey, here's a game that installs audio&video files for all languages by default, even though you probably won't use more than one. Aaaand we could pay for codec licensing or try to negotiate with open source solutions OR we simply store all these files as uncompressed wav files, because fuck your local storage space with 40+ gb of useless files..
Castun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:32:12 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You're probably asking yourself how I ended up here...
nupsu1234 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:42:11 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see any problem here
Castun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:29 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fat fingered and autocorrect strikes again.
jinsk8r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:00 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Epic game launcher and unreal engine in a nutshell.
fortniteinfinitedab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
When you try playing fallout 76
crybllrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I also play MMO's
ComputerMystic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I see you play Fallout 76.
ItsHassan47 ยท 506 points ยท Posted at 19:21:51 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ccleaner...
duhderivative ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 21:05:18 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I still donโt know if I actually need to update it or if it just wants me to buy the pro version.
kalibabka ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 22:54:27 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This. Really seems like they set it up solely as a way of promoting the pro version. Wouldn't be surprised if that one does update by itself.
ColoredGhost ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It does. I have it.
Spinetablet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:23 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you paid for winrar too
ColoredGhost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
WinRar? gross. I use Directory Opus and 7-zip.
BigDisk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:19:33 on August 25, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
*Captain Jack Sparrow intensifies*
No, seriously, scummy practices like that are a surefire way to get me to pirate your shit.
Zatchillac ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:21:47 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They sure do
senorbolsa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:55 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That seems fair.
JayGarrick11929 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 21:12:12 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Piriformโs software in general. Speccy wants you to do that too
whatiwritestays ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:30:32 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Ccleaner got bought by some company a while ago and canโt be trusted anymore. Correct me if im wrong
iwantdie17 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:08:21 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah CCleaner got bought by Avast. use bleachbit instead
ShadowHunterFi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:22 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
why can't it be tristed? Avast is good, no?
Helmic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:31:46 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Never trust closed source tools making changes to your registry, and in general never trust a corp. Open source tools can be more easily audited and are generally actually free, with no overt scheme to get your money through ads, pestering, whatever.
You sometimes don't have a choice (like with AV software) but when you do opt for open source by default.
robin_capuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:10 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What other antivirus is good like AV?
I only use the scan virus thing with real-time protection
I remember I installed one supposed to be better and lighter long ago, but thing would just popup questions all the fucking time.
Featherstoned ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:58:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft Defender is in the top tier of free antivirus, just use the one built into Windows!
robin_capuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but I don't trust any Microsoft software enough to install on my Windows 10 ty I'll try it
AlberionDreamwalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:10 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
laughs in linux
aditya_149 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:46 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using the default windows defender and it's perfectly does the job for me
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:48:21 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Gross CCleaner is a shell of it's former self. I use Bleach Bit now as it's open source.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:43 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:59 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
nah it's just a cleanup tool. I use chocolatey for updating MOST things. It's a command line tool doesn't work if you installed it another way though.
Tony1697 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't even need to be installed
CaptainDefect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I tried bleachbit very briefly - maybe I'm just dumb but it doesn't seem to really perform the same functions - namely no automated junk deletion
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's just a simple tool you run when you need to without all the cruft like automated junk deletion. If you're looking for that just keep using ccleaner.
CaptainDefect ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If it doesn't delete the temp files I haven't touched in years, what's the point of it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:28 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
It DOES cleanup temporary files though. It just doesn't do it AUTOMATICALLY, some people don't like having things do stuff on their computer or having extra processes running for something that really SHOULD be run by the user. I gues that's just how I like to do things though, you do you.
CaptainDefect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:20 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I guess there is a misunderstanding here - when I said automated I meant as in I don't have to manually delete each and every temp file, not that it runs on a schedule.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:39 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah bleachbit does that, you just have to click the checkbox for for temp files. I'm sorry.
Ryguy55 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:03:48 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And when you actually go through the process and install the update, there's always a new one the following day. They've been steadily releasing a new update every 48 hours for years.
dieguitz4 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:19:32 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KeePass as well
sjphilsphan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:09:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Eh that makes sense. It's meant to be super secure so why allow someone connecting to your DB
dieguitz4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody needs to access my DB for the program to download the next version though
terrorc0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:20 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you use the filehippo update checker, it automatically updates most of those programs including installation and it's free. I'm pretty sure they're run by piriform because most of their programs are hosted on there.
thelawtalkingguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:17 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Calibre. Whatโs worse is itโs like they update the program at least 3 times a week. ๐ก
shandow0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:17 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the worse sin imo. Ah we changed the colour slightly, better force an update.
KodiakPL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to say that but was hoping someone already said it.
TheRacooning18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can look for a certain key and ID and disconnect your internet. Then just activate it. Works like a charm.
VenEttore ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:20 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I switched to Bleachbit
mjawn5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:17:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
people use CCleaner?
Simon_787 ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 17:24:03 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't every program work like steam or Firefox?
techcentre ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 19:36:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I like Chrome's way better where it doesn't update right when you open up the program.
David367th ยท 235 points ยท Posted at 19:46:41 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah chrome has it's ups and down though.
> Me: Goes to play a flash game
> Chrome: We disabled Flash for you because its being phased out in a year. You're welcome. :)
Crimson_Kang ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 20:34:27 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
At this point I feel like Chrome is just walking down Microsoft Rd whistling as they go. I used to love Google but they've become too big.
OC_Rookie ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 21:10:55 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Trying to r/degoogle, but itโs hard to find an alternative for something like YouTube or when your says they use google classroom.
SplyBox ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 22:17:52 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I would kill for a decent Youtube competitor
Cobbleking32486 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 23:24:56 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No joke I think the most viable alternative is Pornhub's SFW category. They just need to give it a different name. They already have the infrastructure to handle a massive amount of traffic.
bling_bling2000 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 00:37:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've just been waiting for them to release "VideoHub". Makes no sense that they haven't. With their revenue i wouldn't doubt it if they could make some deals for creators to make the move over
YeahitsToxic ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:22:45 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Its a massive amount of work that might not even be profitable. They're looking into it for sure but its not as easy at it seems
Mr_Poop_Himself ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:16:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No joke they should recruit Pewdiepie
WeirdLilMidgt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:26:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A massive load?
akaSM ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You came here just to post that?
pixelsandbacon ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:40:48 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even try at this point.
OC_Rookie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:59:13 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve noticed a lot of people started talking about YouTube TV. How does it fare against something like Amazon Prime Video or Hulu?
retroEXX ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:12:47 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
imo it's about the same as Hulu but it has YouTube built around it, if that makes sense.
FermatsLastAccount ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also take into consideration that it's like $50 per month.
DOugdimmadab1337 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't entirely know but their movies seem like they have really shitty prices
D-J97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:59 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There are open source Google clients, don't know how good they are but it's something?
bryan4tw ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:59:51 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What's really odd to me is MS seems to be sucking less and less lately, not that they're great just moving in the right direction.
joe579003 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:40:20 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's this thing called competition, now that google is elbowing their way into office productivity software MS can't just rest on their laurels
D-J97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is that now Microsoft is collecting more data on you than Google, they saw Google's model of offering software to be a massive data farm for people and thought "hey, they're making tonnes of money doing that, let's do that too" and now the 2 biggest tech companies know more about you than you know about you, and nobody seems to care? Well a small portion actually do and that's why we're getting a rise in FOSS adoption
BalisongDong ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 21:02:11 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
this really isnt a good example of chrome being bad, flash should have been killed a decade ago, it's a liability to any system it's installed on. not that i disagree with you, but most of my issues with chrome stem from google's business models and practises
nmotsch789 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:05:15 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But I don't want to lose hundreds of old Flash games forever ;_;
Breadfish64 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:14:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
http://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/
Brolom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:23 on August 27, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know about this, thank you!
Xalaxis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:27 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can still run flash, the problem is running it in your browser.
David367th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:14 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, I know chrome is bad for way worse reasons, but thatโs just the thing thatโs been bugging me the most recently.
EastDallasMatt ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:40:37 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You should be blaming the shitty website that won't update to modern technology for this, not Chrome.
I'm looking at you UFC.tv.
David367th ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:48:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but
I know newgrounds has a new thing that converts flash but still
summoned_an_owl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:36:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A necessary evil. A lot of people will never update and use something forever as long as it works. They need to be dragged kicking and screaming in to the future. Old versions are a huge security liability and a massive drain on support. At some point you just have to arbitrarily cut them off and that's exactly what was done with flash.
David367th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing Iโm really complaining about is the cold turkey cuts that are a year early without (too much) warning. I remember seeing the โflash is dyingโ stuff from adobe years ago, but Chrome didnโt say it was going to do this afaik.
summoned_an_owl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:51:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Adobe told people to stop using flash officially in 2015. There was no way any browser could continue supporting it even if they wanted to. But all of them gave warnings 2+ years in advance, but not in places the average end user would see. The roadmap for flash phase out started in 2015, the same year as the announcement.
This article talks about the phase out. It was written in 2017 and the phase out is in fact still in progress.
David367th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:40 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Right I remember all that, Iโm talking more about chrome explicitly blocking java without telling anyone first. I understand why, Iโm just annoyed.
summoned_an_owl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about the NPAPI phase out? That was messy, there absolutely was some flip flopping. But they were 100% intent on removing it, the only disagreement between browsers was timelines. The the writing was on the wall and plugin makers had ample 2+ years of warning.
David367th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:49 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
...maybe? I just know one chrome update and later Iโm getting messages from chrome that flash has been automatically disabled.
A_Guy12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The point is to dissuade users and websites from using flash.
KingoPants ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:32:28 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can re-enable it. It just takes a second.
Granted using flash at this point isn't a good idea. So its a very reasonable thing to disable it by default.
Though I do wish chrome would stop complaining every 10 minites that I'm using a developer mode extension by having installed a custom theme.
aaronfranke ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:52:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Flash should have died 5 years ago. Stop using Flash.
verysddd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:44 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Get BlueMaxima's Flashpoint. Most games you're looking for are probably already there
mylivingeulogy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:13 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's actually kind of a good thing though when you think about it. Security wise this is a fantastic thing and I love that flash is disabled now.
CrankrMan ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:10:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can tell Firefox to ignore auto updates or just notify you of them and then do it manually.
gmes78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:12 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Your web browser is the last piece of software you want to leave outdated though.
spiderman1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why
gmes78 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:09:13 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Security.
Your browser is the biggest attack surface on your computer because of all the external code it executes from the sites you visit.
If a vulnerability is found, you want to get the fix as soon as possible because of this.
spiderman1993 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:56 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Keeping my browsers on auto update now lol
VapidLinus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:00:38 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it kinda just updates without you noticing at all. You'll just randomly see "we updated Chrome for ya buddy" when you start it without any interruption or hitch.
missed_sla ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:32:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We disabled those pesky privacy extensions for ya, pal. No need to thank us, just doin' our job.
gmes78 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox does the same thing.
faraway_hotel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Heya, we just changed the look of the UI... no real reason, just had to make it look like we're doin' something. Have fun!"
Tiavor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:33:19 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
but chrome uses one full CPU core for 10 minutes straight when it updates in the "background" ... great job!
Magnetic_dud ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:08:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's because it has a service that it constantly updates in background even if you literally never open it. Personally i don't like this approach, if all software do like this, we would need 16gb of ram just to keep in memory all the silent updaters that are run at start
techcentre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:49 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
For me the best middle ground is for the application to update after you close it, like vscode does.
Crowxar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No. If I close it i want it closed. Not running and doing things after i told it to stop
brimston3- ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:06:18 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Both of these (chrome too) have a service component that runs as NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM. Not exactly ideal there if ALL third party apps are doing it. Steam has recently had a couple wonderful little privilege escalations because of it (1, 2 ).
VexingRaven ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:20:20 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Steam has always had them, because they like to deliberately change Windows default permissions in a way that breaks security.
brimston3- ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:06:31 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sure; but to be clear, my issue is with even more 3rd party developers having a SYSTEM service just so they can transparently bypass UAC. Those apps have no business there.
I'd be happier if Windows had better 3rd-party package repository support in Windows store and everything went through the same framework.
salmonfucker99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The best case solution imo would be for 1) UAC to be significantly harder to turn off. Anything below max level is effectively off from a dev pov. 2) UAC to look a lot more like when you install a mobile app, with a permission manifest, or alternatively JIT permission requests. Unfortunately that may break win32 and ms will never do that for fairly obvious reasons.
Max-P ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:23:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK that was one of the goals of UWP apps but since they launched it with Windows 8 and everyone hated it, it still doesn't have much popularity even on Windows 10. Everyone still just downloads Win32 apps the old way and don't even bother with the Microsoft Store.
Inprobamur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:56 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Windows has PackageManagement/OneGet/PowerShellGet since 2015, it's just that they should promote it better I think.
VexingRaven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:12 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing, you don't need to bypass UAC to do auto updates. Just prompt for UAC when you need to update, it's not that hard.
Windows does have this, but who is going to manage it?
Celmor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:37 on August 29, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It does have some 3rd party packaging support using "NuGets". There's a framework for it using Powershell on which an experimental package manager from Microsoft called OneGet (now just called PackageManagement) built on. There's a similar but 3rd party package manager called Chocolatey which I prefer and use for most of my applications installed on my dev machine.
As for privileges, it depends on commands run as admin, there's also a GUI but I would think it also needs to be started with Admin privileges on startup. Advantage though is that you only need to give the privileges once when updating all programs.
ric2b ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 22:47:22 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It can, it's called a package manager and we've had them on Linux since forever. The programs don't even need to handle updates themselves, it's less work for developers.
IcerOut ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:14:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They're available on Windows too, they're just not commonly used. Personally I use Chocolatey and it's been working pretty great (although it's not quite as good as apt). And I think the Windows Powershell has an integrated package manager too (?) but I've never heard of anyone really using it.
Sarcastic_Chad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:13:44 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna have to give Chocolatey a look. How the hell did this not get on my radar?
splendidfd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:40 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The technology is fine, and if you have your own packages it's great, but if you're looking for "apt for Windows" there's more to it than that.
Because so few people actually use it there are no major developers/publishers that want to bother maintaining packages, it is all done by the community. Packages being out of date is the norm, and there's no guarantee that the person that put a package together actually did a good job of it.
Sarcastic_Chad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:09:23 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Long-time fan of Synaptic. Made life with Linux so much easier on quite a few occasions. The Windows Store is a hot mess by comparison.
thiefx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:15:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer Paint.Net as it asks if you want to update when you exit the program next.
sorenant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:08:54 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox had a few problems lately. Like when it deleted all extensions due to outdated certificate, then required an update that wiped the browser (preferences, bookmarks).
VexingRaven ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:25:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what the second one you're talking about is, my preferences haven't been wiped. The first one would have happened regardless of automatic updates.
sorenant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't widespread as the certificate case, but while googling for solutions I found that there were a fair number of affected users.
Kaisogen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised to see how Linux repositories work.
All of your software comes from securely vetted collections. You install it from a repo, and then updates are automatically applied to all of your software when you update, including your system. All the libraries, software, system updates, everything. AND, it's done in the background. The only thing that requires a restart is system updates, and even then, only some things, and even livepatch is becoming more common removing the need for reboot.
Windows is FAR behind Linux in this aspect.
-theIvy- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Even paint.net does this
learnyouahaskell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:41 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Staxrip, ShareX, TeamSpeak
daze23 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 22:06:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"You must first uninstall the previous version of the software."
Jussapitka ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:15:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
resets all settings
wallefan01 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 21:36:54 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind it could be worse.
WinZip takes you to their website, where you have to BUY A NEW PRODUCT KEY before you can download the new version.
zshaan6493 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:31:51 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know WinZip was still a thing. I thought it died in XP era
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:45:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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commiecat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:07:43 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine many companies still use it. You only get continued support with annual maintenance, and ZIP has been supported natively in Windows for almost twenty years now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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commiecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:44 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've been working IT for a long while and never come across WinZip. That isn't to say that the world reflects my experience, but I'd expect any IT professional to propose native ZIP or 7-Zip to replace WinZip. There's nothing the finance team loves more than having the IT department make a software proposal that saves OPEX.
anapoe ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:10 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We still do. The second or third thing I do on any new pc is install 7zip and change default programs.
commiecat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:44 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about WinZip, though.
anapoe ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:31 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Which is what gets replaced by 7zip.
commiecat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:55 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I said "I can't imagine many companies still use it [WinZip]" and you replied "We still do."
If you use 7-Zip then presumably you're not using WinZip, and that's effectively the point I was trying to make. No point in paying for licensed software that is arguably inferior to a native/free utility.
anapoe ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I for sure don't get to tell IT what programs they should or shouldn't be licensing.
-theIvy- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:30 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnt windows have a built in zip decoder? I use it frequently.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:20 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Scripting and automation are the key here. For example, my company has thousands of scripts and automations that use WinZip command line. Even if Windows zip had a robust enough command line feature (it really doesn't for this purpose) that would mean thousands of changes and tons of testing that has to happen. And because the folks who set things up are used to using it, they continue to create new ones using WinZip. Our go forward in new programming is to use the System.IO.Compression in any DotNet code we do instead of shelling to an external program but that doesn't solve the backwards issue or the issue with new setups that don't have new programming attached.
DeeSnow97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Windows can manage zip files by itself though, and I heard Microsoft's business support is pretty good
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:34 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Most of it is not manual user. Most of it is scripting and automation.
DeeSnow97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.archive/?view=powershell-6 this seems sufficient
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fine for a few items. Not fine for thousands of scripts across multiple systems. You have to realize every script has to be changed and tested, including the recipient ensuring they can extract properly.
dandu3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's bundled with adware and other shits
DroidLord ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:10:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Eugh, WinZip. 7-Zip all the way, although it has its own quirks.
spiderman1993 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:01 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bandizip for me. I can one click extract and open the directory like on Mac.
Try it out!
DroidLord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:34:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bandizip seems like it beats 7-Zip in terms of compression and extraction performance. Plus it supports more archival formats. I might actually give it a try then, thanks for the suggestion!
You can also one click extract with 7-Zip with some tweaking, but I don't really use it because oftenetimes I only need a single file from an archive that is tens of gigabytes in size and extracting everything just to get that one file isn't worth it.
spiderman1993 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:08 on August 25, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's cool. I didn't even know. Let me know if you like it!
And I tried getting 7-Zip to do the one click thing but it was wayyyyyy too many steps to achieve it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:15 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Smh WinRAR is clearly the superior choice
Compizfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
/r/7zipmasterrace
xyifer12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
WinRAR for me.
GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:52:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
7-Zip is a hundered times better, trust me.
xyifer12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 29, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not, that's a shitty circlejerk i'm really sick of. 7-zip and WinRAR are competitors that both have exclusive features, neither is an upgrade over the other.
GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:18 on August 29, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
no u
AltimaNEO ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:00:20 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shit haven't used WinZip in decades
Capsizedsr ยท 301 points ยท Posted at 17:47:28 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Laughs in package managers.
SirHaxalot ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 18:22:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Windows would really benefit from better package management for 3rd party apps. The Store kind of solves this but apparently it's kind of a pain to submit any app that is not developed in Microsofts own UWP framework since it would have to run outside the sandbox.
faultless280 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:12:00 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Package managers are awesome so long as people review the content. The node ecosystem, for example, is pretty terrifying from a security point of view.
itl-lmfao ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:14:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Donโt remind me of the shitshow of /node_modules/
I believe Angular 7 started taking a damn hint because theyโve now unbundle a ton of dependencies out of the Core bundle so install doesnโt fucking grab the whole universe anymore.
gslone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:07:56 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, do a npm install in the most basic ansible project - boom, that folder now holds about 80.000 files. no joke
ekclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:12 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why does this always comes up when someone mentions large files. As you dont have to install shit ton of files on laravel or nuget packages for c#
Its not like the user will see any of this, this will be compiled to a optimized version.
Tyler11223344 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:21 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have anything to do with what the user will see.
shandow0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:04:14 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because there is no way to audit that size of a folder. And since node packages has contained hidden bitcoin miners before...
ekclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
npm audit ???
gslone ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:01 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's a struggle to store nodejs dev projects in dropbox or on nfs because of this. This is not the "enterprise" use case, i know. but sometimes you just want to hack together an app and share it between desktops.
ubuku ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:40:32 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You dont need to send those modules, as long as you include package.json and just npm install everything on the recieving end.
Cobbleking32486 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:02 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly it's kind of terrible in general. Remember is_true?
dunklesToast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:41 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
is_odd or is_even also
agrhb ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:26:00 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You might be looking for Chocolatey.
SatansF4TE ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:35:58 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Suffers from a complete lack of update to date packages.
Likely_not_Eric ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:40:02 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the package; some maintainers are more prompt than others (also true in Linux land)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:41:27 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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ndguardian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:31 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
For anything open source, that's easily (subjectively) fixable even by third parties. Find the repo, set up an automated build process and auto update chocolatey on successful builds of master. There's more steps than what I just described, but once the system is in place, it's pretty much automated from there.
agrhb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of have to agree. Some packages are often quite out of date, but popular applications like Notepad++ and such are updated fast enough.
On the other hand, I (along with most people) have no critical need for very up to date packages on Windows. If you were trying to do something programming related that would obviously be a huge issue, but Iโd use Linux for that anyways.
pandaboy22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:31 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Could you reiterate what you mean by this? I just started used Chocolatey for posh git and I'm not understanding what you're saying about updates.
SatansF4TE ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:49:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In comparison to most Linux package managers - which usually have most significant software, often maintained and kept current - Chocolatey really pales in comparison.
myaltimateform ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:37:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, long rant because I've been repeatedly burned by choco. I just needed to vent...
Chocolatey packages are routinely out of date for all but the 20-30 most popular ones maintained by the core team. I've tried it 5 or 6 times since the early alphas and finally gave up on it within the last year.
There are 3 core problems with Chocolatey:
1) You have to trust the maintainers to do things like not overwrite config or user data files. I've had constant headaches with losing configuration files, programs being installed to bizarre paths, and a dizzying array of folder structures that seem to stretch into the furthest reaches of space. For example, if you install the Chocolatey version of RetroArch, the default for RA is to save game states in the program directory. The upgrade script deletes the folder with no confirmation, so goodbye game saves. At one point the Logitech drivers package spawned 50+ folders recursively. When these bugs happen, they are never cleaned up. An update might fix stuff like the folders bug from happening in the future, but it'll never clean up the mess it creates.
(Just checked and found that I missed one of these folder spirals. I have: C:\Users\username\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey\chocolatey. They're all empty except a couple have folders with program names that are also empty.)
2) Since choco packages are community maintained instead of pulling from the developers' sites, and you'll usually have to run the installation or Choco itself as admin, there's no protection from a nasty payload hitching a ride, or more likely, a well-intentioned dependency getting applied to incorrectly target systems. I've definitely had Windows Updates and runtimes that were not applicable to Win10 applied by choco packages.
3) Maintainers not on the core team disappear constantly and it will be months before packages are picked up again, if ever. There's no way to know when this happens. One day you'll think, "Hmm, Program X hasn't updated in a while. I wonder if it's been discontinued..." Then you check the software's site and find that you're using a version 2 years out of date. This happened with around a quarter of the 200 ish packages I had installed. Updating the the newest versions manually without uninstalling the choco versions had a 50/50 chance of causing problems - double installs, 32/64 bit version changes, install location changes, registry values overwritten, etc.
(minor sub-rant) And lord help you if you were foolish enough to use ChocolateyGUI instead of the command line because that dumpster fire of escalation and checksum bugs will obliterate install option changes, uninstall manual fixes/installs, and half install updates. It's updated once per millennia, though they appear to fix typos daily on Appveyor, and is really an embarrassment to the choco project. The last 'stable' is 1.5 years old and isn't even registered properly with the main choco community repo to deliver prerelease builds. 'Prerelease' builds are every bit as unstable and broken as stable. 3 years to go from v0.12 to v0.16 and 1.5 years (and counting) to get to 0.17, so expect v1.0 around the heat death of the universe. And it truly feels like it deserves those low version numbers, too.
There are ways around these problems, like setting up your own repo, manually verifying every install procedure, constantly nagging maintainers on new version launches, etc, but at the end of the day, it's as much work as tracking down individual updates.
I now use Ketarin - free, open source program that basically downloads the author's web page, finds the download link (there's an easy mode and full regex filter mode), and downloads the installer. The largest barrier was that I had to slowly built up a library of profiles one program at a time, since many of the community profiles are out of date or incompatible with my organizational setup. It's imperfect and requires some manual intervention on occasion, but it pulls the installer with hash check from the true source, forced me to learn regex better, and gives me complete control (or at least no one to blame but myself) over every update. Ketarin isn't for everyone and is a small pet project for a few devs, but choco feels like a flop.
agrhb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, Chocolatey has itโs problems, but it still is a hell of a lot more usable than the manual way to manage applications.
Thankfully gaming on Linux is getting better and better so I can have a proper package manager on my Desktop at some point.
kihashi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'd heard that they are allowing win32 apps in the store now. Or at least they announced they will.
Thomasedv ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:39 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's a blessing (most of the time) that windows at least does handle and update drivers for you at least.
UnicornsOnLSD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:52:20 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, if you have a Nvidia or AMD GPU you should really get the software to ensure you get the best driver
fdpunchingbag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Back in early 2019 windows kept autoinstalling an nvidia driver on my laptop that broke a good chunk of my games and caused them to immediately crash before splash screens half the time. Was infuriating.
-Argih ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:36 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Chocolatey...
Sterben067 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:22 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
UWP is a major headache, it's a good idea for normies, but x86 will always be the better platform choice.
aaronfranke ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:50:11 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
UWP is an API, x86 is an architecture. You're thinking of Win32.
One_And_All_1 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:00:16 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Windows could really benefit from not existing
Cantstandyuh ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 18:15:02 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
r/sudopacman-syu master race
cAtloVeR9998 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:41:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
not using yay smh
Lt-Skeleton-SFW ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:15:50 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yay FTW!
lordofbud ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:46:14 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I miss pacaur.
AMisteryMan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:09:04 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cries in Yaourt
"Maybe Yay is better, but you, you will be missed."
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:39 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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MrEppart ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:00:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No longer maintained afaik. Switched to yay and works just fine with practically identical syntax
Likely_not_Eric ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:51:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I started using Chocolatey on Windows and it really improved things for me. It's really good for keeping packages that don't auto update current:
7-zip, git, youtube-dl, sysinternals, hwinfo, keepass, putty, etc.
Bonus! It also creates a shim in a bin dir in your PATH so you just install these portable tools and you can just start using them.
It even handles dependencies to install common runtimes.
Dudurin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:05:46 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think I get the gist of what you're saying, but is "shim to ban bin dir in your PATH" an actual sentence?
Likely_not_Eric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:04 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oops, no! It's a really bad typo. Let me fix that.
Ytrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:35 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I use it too. It is great. ๐
Gustav__Mahler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:46 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
huh. I never felt the urge to update 7-zip or putty. They just do what they do as far as I'm concerned. If there is a feature in git that I must have, then sure I'll upgrade it.
Likely_not_Eric ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:04:26 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They've had a few security updates; not so much feature updates - which is even more a reason why I like doing so: it doesn't break my tooling but it does fix the vulnerabilities.
redstoneguy12 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:53 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cries in discord
Papaknochen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:13 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Flatpak, mate.
redstoneguy12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:36 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I use Arch (BTW) which has it in it's repos and it still wants to update itself even after I do a full system upgrade
gmes78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:01 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It works like Steam, you don't get a package update each time Steam gets an update.
Discord only needs package updates once in a while because of this. (Having to update the Discord package almost every day wouldn't be very fun)
ejse2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:00 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible to learn this power?
Lurker_Since_Forever ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:35:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+Linux+distro+should+I+choose
Go. Be free.
Onyx_Snowball ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 21:51:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, not for me. I don't want to rely on maintainers, I prefer the Windows method where I have complete control over my programs.
MrEppart ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:07:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Package managers are like crack for lazy people. A single command does most of my maintenance. A single terminal in the background and no more pop ups begging for updates, except for steam; valve plz fix
Dudurin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Teach me, please. I can postpone an update for a year.
RADical-muslim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:13:59 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Then you can use Appimage or compile it yourself.
Onyx_Snowball ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:56 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Problem being that it isn't as straightforward as installing an EXE.
tetrified ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:06:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
the windows method is the worst of both worlds.
phosporus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:38:08 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You have as much control over Windows software as I have over sun.
--lily-- ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 21:11:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shoutout to paint.net for having the best update system I've ever seen
๐๏ธ iCeCoCaCoLa64tv ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:39:13 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, does paint.net automatically update? Been using it for over two years and never noticed anything.
--lily-- ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 21:49:16 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah but it gives you the option to update it as you next exit it.
๐๏ธ iCeCoCaCoLa64tv ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 21:57:07 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuckin hell, turns out I had automatic updates turned off -_- I wonder how out of date I am.
EDIT: Jesus christ all of the UI is different. So yeah, I was that out of date.
SirFrooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:27 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But is it that bad? Im doing memes and stuff and have the fear that im going to get completly lost.
๐๏ธ iCeCoCaCoLa64tv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:30 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Everything just has a new icon. Will definitely take me some getting used to but it's not bad.
xyifer12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:50 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I greatly dislike the new style, I use dark theme and often get multiple buttons confused now.
ollomulder ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:26:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
...and apparently creates a recovery point before updating. These guys know their shit...
Gilly-The-Ghillie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:15:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It does if you buy it on the Windows store. Otherwise it gives you the option to install when you exit.
Don't mind me I'm just flexing.
Mightyena319 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:08:45 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't call it the best, since it seems to take 85324545339745 years to actually perform the update, but it's not bad
gordongessler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:09:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It update just fine on my machine (which is pretty bad).
Mightyena319 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird, it just seems to go really slowly on both my machines, compared to every other installer
achilleasa ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:50:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Updating when you close it should be industry standard
MinisterOfSauces ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:59 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
.net 2.0 had this with clickonce. I used it for an internal application at my first job. Trivial to set up with the option to update when you close the app. Not sure why it isn't more standard.
thehaikuza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:18 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Amen to that!
-SammyP6- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
the best update system is linux's package manager. 1 command / button(depending on what you prefer) to update everything on your computer. you can use your computer while it updates, and even use the programs that are updating as they update. you just need to restart the programs when YOU feel like it to use the newer version
Sprawikoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:43 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
oh boy, Paint.net, i love that program
djsnoopmike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Jdownloader too. It automatically updates quietly in the background when you exit.
Good thing too, cause it seems to have an update every fucking hour
Tony1697 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:50 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
JDownloader has update on closing on by default too
bluefootedpig ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:28:06 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
While we are at it, tell me about the update when I close the program, not start up. When I am starting up, I don't want to wait an extra 5 minutes for you to update. But when I'm done, sure, take all the time you need.
mpledagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing worse than closing down the computer to go home at the end of the day and have to sit at your desk another 5 minutes while Windows says "Updating. Do not turn off your computer."
Kali0z ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:14:01 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Better have it at logout than login, at least you can choose whan it happens (e.g. At lunch pause).
CruSherFL ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:45:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
AND THEN they tell you to uninstall the previous version first. ARGH.
DeeSnow97 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:28:39 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget the "thank you" page automatically opening when you've finished installation, with all the tracking bullshit in the URL
-SammyP6- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:40 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
pihole + ublock origin + umatrix + privacy badger. I think im pretty safe
cheetosnfritos ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:43:55 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nvidia after every driver update. "an update is available. Click here to update." clicking does jack shit so I have to manually do it.
Ngklaaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You need to reboot reboots An update is available, click here to update
TheHooligan95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Use geforce experience
HEX_808 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:12:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cough HWM cough
SaucemasterShardion ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 21:12:57 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, in the small-corner's-worth-community of Linux..
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgradesudo pacman -SyuTROPiCALRUBi ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:40:16 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget
-SammyP6- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
wasn't yum replaced with dnf?
Linux_MissingNo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:58 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But the PPA...
guisilvano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:03 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The one reason I hate Debian Based distros
unknown_host ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:39 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Add -y after upgrade for the Debian syntax
Mightyena319 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:00:57 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have that aliased to 'updt'
DroidLord ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:09:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's never that simple, I tell you. Something always breaks.
Taomach ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:23:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, my Arch desktop runs silky smooth for periods that are longer than the Windows release cycle.
Max-P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:32:21 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Mine has outlived two computers and several hard drives at this point. Arch is so damn easy to fix/recover when you know what you're doing... The same cannot be said of Windows the majority of the times.
Taomach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:20 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Two major upgrades for me. You just stick the HDD in a new box, maybe edit the Xorg config, and just boot the fucker up. It's like magic.
techcentre ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:37:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you JetBrains...
Xtreme976 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:42:46 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Download jetbrains toolbox! It automatically updates all your jetbrains programs
DrFab1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Aint PyCharm from jetbrains?
KoolDude214 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:54 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I believe so.
just_pen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
JetBrain products have an autoupdater build in right?
sjphilsphan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:22 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
For minor updates. Major ones no
Atanvarno94 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 20:04:47 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
laughs in
DroidLord ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:07:12 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But then the upgrade breaks and you don't know why. Cue hunting down the error code in Google for 3 hours. End up deleting everything and starting over.
Kaisogen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:48:51 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Any error you'll get is most definitely the users fault. I've done some dumb things before. I'm not gonna blame the OS for my faults, I'm going to say I did something wrong in Bash CLI.
For example: installing ppas/repos outside of system version, importing broken packages or manually editing config files instead of using package manager, purging instead of removing, etc. All of the issues I've had in the past were caused by me.
-SammyP6- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:46 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
been using Linux for like 4 or 5 year now. the only error ive had while updating was that time I forgot it was updating and forced a shutdown. like cut the power forced a shutdown. it had some major issues, but I blame myself 100%. i wanted to reinstall anyways so I didnt care at all
halbGefressen ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:52:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao just use sudo pacman -Syu
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:52:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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bugattikid2012 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:00 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
no me
ilovepolthavemybabie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:59 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yay -Syyu
cries in massive Go footprint
Taomach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:30:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried pikaur?
guisilvano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:18 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have pacman -Syuw as a cron job, so when I run -Syu I usually don't even have to download anything. So glorious.
Architector4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:30 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But that updates the repo listings (
-Sy) without actually installing the packages from there, meaning it's a partial upgrade, which are explicitly not supported by Arch Linux!guisilvano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:44 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I run -Syu to install them, so no partial upgrades. If any package is updated after the -Syuw has ran the newer version is downloaded.
It would be a bad idea if I ran -Su after the job.
Architector4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:59 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense. I mean, in case you do
pacman -Sone day to install a single new package - it will install the newest version from latest repositories, while your other installed packages wouldn't necessarily be updated.dreamer_ ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:25:22 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you use Linux and package managers.
Elarionus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:13 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I would, if 48 of the 53 softwares I use for work weren't only on windows. :/ those are exact numbers.
Taomach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried searching for alternatives instead of just checking if it runs on Linux as is?
Elarionus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:55 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Most of them are proprietary softwares... Can't use alternatives for the non proprietary, as I pass files back and forth with coworkers who use the same.
Taomach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:26 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really use, like, 48 different proprietary file formats just for one job? Genuinely curious, what field do you work in?
Elarionus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:51 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Game development, mixed with scientific simulation and visualization. It's a really weird mix of a company, but we basically just do whatever work is contracted out to us, whether it's Ubisoft or the National Science Foundation. So it's a wide range of stuff.
Taomach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dare I say, I'm a bit of a scientist myself. Linux vastly outperforms Windows in terms of the data analysis software availability and usability, at least in my field (neuroscience). Data acquisition, yes, there are problems (no proprietary ADC drivers), but when you need to crunch those numbers, Windows is a real handicap. As for the gamedev, I have no idea about that field, and, given that the target platform is usually Windows, it would make sense if there was a lot of win-only software involved, so that would be one of those rare cases where there really is no choice. Sucks for you, if that's so. :-)
Architector4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:33:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How much does WINE pop that number up?
Compizfox ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:27:29 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all motherfuckers need package managers
splendidfd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:02 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We have them, nobody uses them though.
Salty2G ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:07:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Msi asterburner/rivia tuner
greedo10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:29 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Then it just breaks for no apparent reason after you update and you have to completely uninstall both programs loosing all of your overclocks, overlays and shortcuts...
KickMeElmo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:44:26 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it's security software, in which case trusting automated downloads is questionable. Password managers for instance shouldn't have a one-click update button.
PicnicBasketPirate ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:52 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I trust nothing and no one.
I know all the programs running in task manager by heart and I don't even trust that.
Hell I questioning the tinfoil cap I'm wearing. I think I need a tinfoil suit and helmet
Lurker_Since_Forever ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:31:21 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Drahcir411 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:33:22 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This Meme: *Sad Windows Noises*
Me, an intellectual: Sudo pacman -Syu
(btw, I use arch.)
Castun ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:33:28 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How do you identify a Linux user? Don't worry, they'll tell you. ;)
Mightyena319 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My main experience dealing with arch (well Manjaro, I did run arch for a while but the UX was the least of that installations problems) is usually "oh now what, what's gone wrong this time?"
It seems to have a very high rate of random glitches and issues
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:27 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well, my experience is the opposite, I run Manjaro since October 2016, never had an issue and it's still my everyday workstation. No fresh install since that day.
If not related to broken packages, usually the system itself has nothing to do with the "random glitches and issues", who honestly, means nothing if you can't track those glitches and issues. To give an analogy, It's like overclocking the cpu and fail to boot the system or having random reboots due to the settings (voltage for example), and blame the OS.
Usually the root of the problem is related to the graphic driver and/or the DE.
tetrified ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience the problems new users tend to complain about exist somewhere between the chair and the keyboard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:35 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that I would blame a new user who must deal with the failed boot of the OS due to the stubbornness of the Nouveau driver, or the crash of the desktop for a shit plasmoid or extension that was on the store, or the newer version of a library after a safe update, with a deprecated function called by some legacy code, resulting in a wtf is happening.
The rants of new users are often kinda annoying and pointless, but beside this, some distro just have a long history of rolling out something quite bugged. Can you hear me, Ubuntu?
Mightyena319 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:55 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What I meant by that was more problems that only seem to occur in arch-based distros. Less 'glitch' and more 'weird shit that should just work but doesn't'
For example:
On Manjaro, I can't set my laptop to, when the lid is closed, sleep on battery, and do nothing when plugged in. It always goes to sleep regardless of whether its plugged in or on battery, despite whatever is in the settings. This might just be something screwy ith Manjaro though, since regular Arch worked fine
The other issue is that the scren resolution will randomly reset itself to 1024x768 if I reboot. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, but it seems like around a 20% chance on boot it will be running at 1024x768. Weirdly, if I then go into display settings, it tells me it reccommends 1920x1080, and setting it back to that then works fine. This one happens in every Arch-based distro I've tried, but not in any Debian/SUSE/Fedora based ones
Arch also had ridiculous trouble dealing with my Wi-Fi, though that one is equally likely to be me making a mistake during config, since neither Manjaro nor Netrunner Rolling had that problem
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:48:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, we both win a few downvotes for saying truths that the imbeciles can't acknowledge due being slaves of the their dumb fanboyism. That's why I usually avoid discussing distros on Reddit.
Btw, I understand what you mean. However, my points are still valid, and even endorsed after your descriptions: both power management (not directly managed but it can interfere and usually will interfere) and the fallback to that resolution have a common denominator, the graphic driver (the open one, especially) .
I also got these kind of issues and funny enough, on Debian related systems, Mint excluded.
I don't know your current level but if I can (and if you can't track the issues), I would suggest you to learn the basics to move up and down through the kernel/graphic driver versions, just to find out which one gives you less or no hassles at all.
The only difference I was able to spot between a working distro fand a non working one, were those. Kernel version A would work with graphic driver Y, but fail with driver X and vice-versa.
Obviously it's just a workaround, but even if I know how to look at the stack trace to find out what's going on, I wouldn't do it, a system that breaks often is a burden for me and something that only our downvoters would enjoy and praise, because they life sucks and they have plenty of time to waste behind a defective toy ๐
euxamomeantonio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:06:36 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Laughs in Linux package managers
JezzaWalker ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:52:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
sudo pacman -Syuu
commonslav ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:16:50 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
btw
tetrified ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:55:45 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I
Comment_karma_only ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:07 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
use
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:28:32 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Manjaro
TomH_squared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:03 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Jaklcide ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:41:21 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse, you don't download a patch, you download the entire installer again every month with installer, installer(1),installer(2), etc littering your downloads folder.
๐๏ธ iCeCoCaCoLa64tv ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:44:28 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like your fault for not deleting the installer after you're done with it.
Keep your Downloads folder clean, people.
JezzaWalker ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:28:46 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
my downloads folder
Castun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:34:21 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I might need these again someday!
ollomulder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:29:04 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What if I want to install a graphics card driver I downloaded 5 years ago for another graphics card because the internet is currently not available?
yeah I'm guilty
JezzaWalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:33 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I might need ALL of them!
Sarcastic_Chad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:34 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How the hell did you sneak into my office manager's cubicle?
AwesomePerson125 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:01:10 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have entire programs that I run out of my downloads folder.
๐๏ธ iCeCoCaCoLa64tv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:45 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Who hurt you
AwesomePerson125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kiwix and jmol.
-SammyP6- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
was going to laugh, but then I realized, I do this too
-SammyP6- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:02 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you people clean your downloads folder?
xternal7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when browsers gave you the option to run the program without saving them (permanently)?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
(I mean, IE does that, and Firefox too (at least on Linux. Not sure what's the situation on windows, though))
-SammyP6- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
they still do, but often you have to extract a zip file somewhere and then the extracted bits are still on your drive until you earase
Sowers25 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:16 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you hwinfo64
otakotaku ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:58 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Qbittorrent i'm looking at you
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:40:40 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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otakotaku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:33 on August 25, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Except it isn't
IanFrancis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:11 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner users wya
ProfessorRewind ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:24 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you CCleaner...
Johannes_pr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:24:03 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
the reason why nobody has newest hwmonitor version
MarsAttackedUranus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:52:41 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI fucking Afterburner
missed_sla ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:30:58 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
looks over at plex
Castun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:50 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, Plex upgrades itself, doesn't it?
missed_sla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:09:38 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Ubuntu. And the repo version is woefully out of date.
graysonneal14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't in Windows 10, either. Just did one last night, linked me to the website immediately.
screwyou00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:08 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The media server doesn't auto update, but I've never had to go to the web page for the update.
Neededolives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:39 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Manage media for seamless viewing on multiple devices, check.
Watch live TV with as much DVR capacity as your heart desires, check.
Online access to news, music and podcasts, check.
Plugins to integrate automatic download and handling of new media, check.
Automatic updates, go fuck yourself.
Jay_Nitzel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:10 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And close the window of the old running version.
filuslolol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:02 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
fl studio... please...
PlasmaQuasar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:01 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner
StirringOrange ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:16 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Looking At You CCleaner
obog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
cura
Gilly-The-Ghillie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
K-Lite, why do you do this to me, you update every bloody week!
Gilixnup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:03 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do i hear... NVidia GeForce Driver?!?!
Chigzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:32 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Calibre - The ebook management software - does this.
Ugh
Nvee_co ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ccleaner does this crap
WilliamTellAll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
VirtualBox still does this and it baffles me that Oracle thinks that's okay.
jwhite40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:06 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Glasswire...
Gotelc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:12 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look its Magic Arena!
indubwestep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:28 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
WINSCP and Etcher come to mind. Whyyyyyyyyyyy
(Etcher I can somewhat understand as there is no installation and the downloaded file is already a fully functioning program but I wouldn't mind an installation and easy updates. )
twelveparsex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:59 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Then you open the file and can't install it because the program is running.
jinsk8r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And forces you to remove the old version manually before installing new one.
Puterman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:59 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And then the program that demanded you update it gets mad because the program is running.
thehumbleitalian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you ccleaner
thelotusknyte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Ccleaner. I love you, but you gotta stop that shit.
Jack127288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
For jdk, u literally have to go to their website to check for updates, they wouldnโt even tell u there is a update
BobDaBilda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Second biggest. The biggest is opening my browser when I tell you I wanna uninstall. No, I didn't wanna give you my IP Address, just because I'm uninstalling. I miss the early 2000's, when I could use certain firewall programs (now defunct) that would ask me any time any program did nearly anything, even making calls to other programs, i.e. browsers, making this impossible.
Clogrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:56 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Clownfish...
DrFab1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:05 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
PyCharm ...
cloversarecool916 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:31 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My recording software, Reaper, seems to be like this. Iโve been kicking the can down the road
-KuroOkami- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:35 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lookin at you Iobit
Auntie_Whispers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:16 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
pgAdmin
Tiavor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can think of an even worse scenario: updating every 2 days and requiring admin rights for it (I'm looking at you Skype!)
theemporersfastest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:48 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And hey, since you're here, do you want McAfee? It's free with the install :D!
albin666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:52 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In other words: fuck you.
TheGT1030MasterRace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:07 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
VSDC video editor...
TheObstruction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:11 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
RAGE
Obitotobyuchiha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you Expressvpn ๐
NeuElement ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:30 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Glary Utilities. Love the software but god damn.
gynoplasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:29 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure to check the md5 hash!
robjapan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:53 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Surely.... There are worse things.... Like installing stuff without asking or not working at all...
pixelriven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:33 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking FileZilla downloading a .zip of the new version.
zissou149 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:00 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about other OSs but on Windows, Filezilla will check for updates then download and install them with one click. That's pretty easy.
pixelriven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:56 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not on a mac, prob some BS osx permission thing.
Magnetic_dud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bonus points : a new update every week and each time you need to fill a fucking form with name, phone, address, dob, email and so on
Oracle_of_Ages ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:31 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There is some stupid open source program that I HAD to use for school where the donate, update, and purchase buttons would giggle and flash until you did all 3.
Lefaussaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:18 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Better than a Windows 10 update that destroys the display driver and forces you to rollback to recover to a functional operating systrn. All without prompting the user..
TheFalconKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:51 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The newest version of this requires the most recent version of java.
misterjmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:33 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Friggin VirtualBox every flippin week!
DaileyWithBailey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:44 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or my favorite, downloading a game or program fresh and then you must instantly update. Just post the updated version!
Ging_e_R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
@msiafterburner
@rivatuner
VanayadGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:57 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
pycharm
GilbertPlays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:48 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iobit be like.
BlueArmistice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:58 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"The previous version of this program must be uninstalled before the new version can be installed."
Szeponzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:59 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I dare you, Ccleaner
mellonsticker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:23 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs like the software designer is taking his frustrations out on the users....
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Package manager master race.
daredevil_eg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:04 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
the stupid virtualbox app does that!
protopigeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:52 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, WINSCP
ilostmyreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you wizards of the coast
Three-Of-Seven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:27 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The people who make such programes as sadists.
queen-adreena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:40 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Feckin FileZilla, every time.
-Argih ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Use chocolatey and forget that shit
ObstreperousCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the greatest software sin was how Pool of Radiance - Ruins of Myth Drannor would delete your entire drive when you uninstalled it?
Absofrickinlutely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:20 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner is so useful but yeah, every time
ducksonetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:01 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Capture One is a decently expensive piece of software and I was shocked to find this was their update process.
cicisbeette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:39 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, there's plenty worse than that. I call CCleaner to the stand, which shamelessly flashes up a notification that there is a new version to download, but automatically sends you to the paid version with no option to download any putative new free version.
Goldenbrownfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:45 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
An d then restarts the computer
valo_cs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:42 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We are looking at YOU, CCleaner!
tsarmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:42 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you CCleaner
maggit00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:54 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there, Flash player.
Sandnegus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:27 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My VLCplayer would be 10 years old if it took that long for Windows to break.
adreaver_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:32 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
General Reposti!
crazy13603 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:46 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
HWinfo64
thehighshibe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:48 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer this way tbh, don't want a program tampering with files and requesting admin permissions unless I know specifically what files are being changed
NeuralDog321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fekin VirtualBox
whatever0601 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:18 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Devil's advocate: automatic updating could be a backdoor for remote arbitrary code execution.
Kats41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's disgusting that any company would do this when their programmers could literally write a simple patcher in a couple days to a week tops that automatically updates it.
vandelvan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:57 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking at you CCleaner
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad most of the stuff I use I have installed with cholatey. "Choco upgrade all -y"
W33b3l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:15 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So many Flight Sim add ons do this. Almost want to cross post this to r/flightsim but I dont steal things lol ;)
companioncubegaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:07 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
D I S P L A Y F U S I O N
Serious_Series ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:36 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So iTunes?
rcasey02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:53 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you hwinfo 64
Dabaus94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:41 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you CCleaner...
alexcrouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The number one sin is shipping beta code that requires updates.
meluckycharms123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:26 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is not the single biggest sin for programming. That would be online only usability.
yoashmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking at you CCleaner
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:17 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is the second biggest sin.. The biggest is if it takes you to the sourceforge page to download their version of it..
jinxTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:04 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
GPU-Z... And if I delete the older versions Windows tries to start them up and a pop up comes up saying โThis file is marked for deletion. Could not openโ for every version I previously had. If anyone could help me with this that would be great. Your boy just trying to monitor his temps
taspdotext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MTGA?
carrottopadc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:36 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Gpuz, CPUz, all a big rip
MaddMaxx636 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI Afterburner......
Doesnt close its own program when updating....
borkiborky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:27 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI Afterburner...
davidzombi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:15 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think updaters inside a program are easy to add legally speaking. You just give them the right to download external stuff to your pc.
bling_bling2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:34 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol fucking Windows itself is guilty of this. The "Click here to change you default browser to Firefox" button in the OS takes you to the main settings page, it's actually ridiculous.
cLimax-Azusa_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:35 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ccleaner is that you?
Durlmixels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:29 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Smadav does this...
phiegnux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:02 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you HWinfo
VRelda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Laughs in pacman -Syu
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:49 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, DDU.
DrarenThiralas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than what Windows 10 does
rebelhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question, I have a c#/. Net software that will sometimes get updates, how can I add this functionality?
bunkdiggidy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But they gotta make that website aaaaad money
Redbird9346 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, mp3tag!
Zerowantuthri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you CCleaner (maybe they don't do that for the paid version and only annoy you if you use the free version...I dunno).
Mikalton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Damn ccleaner
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
jstyler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:13 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We already have ray tracing
dethpicable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm, how about the update that just fails to update properly and fucks up everything to the extent that you have to manually, or with a special utility, remove the program in its entirety and then reinstall from scratch?
CancerousGTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:50 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cough cough Notepad
TonyB999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:46 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
CPU-Z I'm looking at you!
DimensionalGrape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:31 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone mentioned Linux yet?
crystal-rooster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cough PCGen cough
AlphaMD90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Core temps cough cough
notaplaugerist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:13 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We're looking at you, Adobe
KyonSuzumiya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:47 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
League just closes and refuse to open till you restart your computer. Small indy company btw.
mirosuke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Phone apps do that too
ZXKeyr324XZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Me with Afterburner
SANO_HIMURA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:43 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cura -_-
shapular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I haven't bothered to update R.
JabberVapor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:50 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Every GPU driver ever
bspymaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:00 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I wish KeePass2 didnt do this. It's my single biggest gripe with it, because the only time I open the app is when I'm in a rush trying to get a password, so i don't have time to navigate to the website, then navigate to the downloads page, then open my downloads folder and run the installer and restart the app...
Seniri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:31 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, Pornhub mobile.
Uvine_Umbra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wut, pornhub mobile updates just fine thru the app. That way is just an alt. #proudwankers
Seniri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
...what? How do I not know about this?
Suprasoka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Afterburner, I love you but you gotta move forward...
LemonWasHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:26 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
thanks FL STUDIO
Noctale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just reading this makes me angry. God I hate it when they do that.
NanoPi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:13 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
donator version: automatically updates
free version: opens website to download the installer
waltwalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:42 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn pvelite and it's service packs and horrible website.
Terminator829 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI afterburner
REDpandaNinja001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Same happened to me a lot. I can feel it again now
Core308 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No the biggest sin a program can make is to pre check all those other bloatware programs it offers to install along with the program you want.
REMEMBER ALWAYS DO A CUSTOM INSTALL AND UNCHECK THAT SHIT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
cough ccleaner cough
vermeiltwhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:42 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why CCleaner needs updated so much. I haven't updated it in ages.
kinho_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:31 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you, Tableau
mom0367 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:38 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ayo hitfilm, listen up.
mconrad906 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:03 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual Box always does this, I don't know why it takes you to the website to manually download the update. Especially because its an Oracle program and you would think that they would be looking for the most convenient and efficient way of doing things.
rkyle4288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you CCleaner...
The-Joker02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
1st world country problems people
MadMaxDbz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looks at CCleaner
ROWDY_RODDY_PEEEPER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:14 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
One of the things I hate about FL Studio.
Whenever there's an update, you have to go onto the website, and download THE ENTIRE UPDATED INSTALLER.
Littlefinger6226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
qBittorrent lol
xxlmike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:30 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin ccleaner. ๐
Chevy_Monsenhor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:16 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
AIDA64 be like
lancer2238 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:45 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MTG arena
RAYquaza0903 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Msi afterburner
mtb1126 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:44 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Still haven't updated Riva
15August08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Driver booster 8
cstarr33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:08 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
straight facts
cragv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"...that a program can commit"
Pun opportunity completely wasted!
pineprika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My AMD Settings in a nutshell
ArcCooler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:44 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI mf Afterburner Never will I ever update that on my mother
Sumbig_Ape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:50 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Man, now I'm upset
stuffedanimalfap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:45 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Adobe PDF reader.... I'm looking at you....
NootingPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:03 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ahem ccleaner
NeDragons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You think this is bad. My company, you have to log in and download the firmware file. Then download a separate software that works as an updater and install it. Then register your device to the software. Then update it.
Ive been pushing for an update on this redicukous procrss for years
tontogoldstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The best way I've seen a program handle an update where it needs to close the program is Paint.NET. It has an option "Install when I exit" and I always use it.
Mines_Skyline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:42 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI Afterburner...
Squildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, Cc
KairuByte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
FYI auto updating is hard. You can accomplish it, but it takes a lot of finessing to prevent virus scanners from detecting the resulting application as a threat.
Best solution I have found/come up with is a secondary executable contained in the first, which gets dumped to the install folder, handles the update process and then kills/deletes itself from command line with a short delay.
Uvine_Umbra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lel, maybe etcher (which personally doesn't matter for updates), but really, just linux it: Android app store click update all
GNU/Linux sudo apt upgrade sudo pacman -Syu emerge -auDN @world (wait 15 hours) sudo dnf upgrade
BurningBurger_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Waste of storage, waste of time..
Cry0Cl0ud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:22 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iobit is extremely guilty of this shit for their main products like their defrag, uninstaller and Advanced System Care tools
Floattotype ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all spoilt
humanCharacter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:56 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My experience with this so far are Intel drivers.
TexSollozzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:42 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Literally optifine everytime I wanna play Minecraft
rochford77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Worse when you have to manually uninstall the old one.
goodatmakingdadjokes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
WINDOWS NOTIFICATIONS
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A new version of Java is available
GaiusCaligulaCaesar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shout out to FL Studio
Skaven252 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And the installer is in a ZIP package with multiple subfolders.
chudthirtyseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:56 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you WinSCP. it's shit like this that makes me want to stick with filezilla.
lavadrop5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:11 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
*Laughs in dpkg/RPM/Pacman/eopkg/Flatpak/Snap
P.S. Yes, my beard is beautiful.
cspjohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:09 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
FileZilla deserves a plus. They update often, but the entire process is automated and super fast. Much love. Paint.net is similar, though it asks if you want to update right now or after exit.
GSKoesnadi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:43 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Aida64 noises
Stebulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, CPU-Z
Akutasan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Like WinSCP oof
DeviantLemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:19 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bloody installing Asus drivers are like this.
Although overall somewhat atrocious (from what I remember), at least HP Support Assistant did seek and find the latest drivers for my computer automatically, even if it took its sweet time checking what was available on their servers.
Having seen the latest version on my 7 year old HP laptop, it seems it had gotten substantially better since it's earlier days, way back to the shortlived era that was Windows 8 (those really were fun times). In no way would I like to scour their website for driver updates, given how bad THAT is to use.
At least Asus's support website is not the worst out there, but my biggest gripe is figuring out what particular drivers I need to install on my system (half of them are downright useless). Not only that, remembering what drivers I had installed last time is an annoyance, given there's no simple surefire way of truly knowing. Sure, there is now finally an indication whether a driver has already been downloaded or not, but it really feels like it's not enough, especially here in mid 2019.
kevtree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:22 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest sin is telling you about updates when allegedly this has been disabled. The single biggest reason I've uninstalled seemingly top of the line free, critically acclaimed anti-virus programs.
MibMoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:55 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
pocman -SyyuuTheRacooning18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's often with programs that have pro or premium versions. Like CCleaner and malwarebytes. They will say there are updates when you have paid for them and download them from the program. But if you use the free versions they just take you to the websites.
Northman95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:40 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Install chocolatey package manager and update and install all your apps with a simple command in a cmd or powershell window
yiyo999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:07 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
zypper up
sejdisejdi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you TexStudio
Mr_Pryor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you CCleaner...
rtamez509 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI Afterburner, have had a 1 year old version for... A year because I'll die before downloading an update from a website
GreatSnowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:24 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Libre Office
BlackVultureGroup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:56 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The second sin is making you reboot. To then realize it re-enabled itself to startup at boot and then it wants to check for updates again.
microkana313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:26 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
*clicks link EXCUSE ME, WTF?
Kazemeka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's why Adobe Flash is dying.
kubarotfl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:57 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Qbittorrent, I'm looking at you...
charlsfuture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:06 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
After burner does this. Itโs so annoying
Doom_Toon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:55 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you CCleaner...
DenuvoHater332 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:48 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
sudo pacman -Syu
whiteapplex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:17 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest scam of this century is software updates. Apart from Minecraft, they 99% of the time end up being useless, buggy, causing major problems, removing functionalities, introducing malwares etc.
So, I'm glad when something doesn't update automatically, and doesn't update at all.
toastinski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:25 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or the update on my 14 day old 2080 gpu that bricked it...
ReallyLegitToaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:32 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I didn't see you there HWMonitor.
AlberionDreamwalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:08 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
if any program opens a website without explicitly telling me before I click I uninstall it and never look back
iWasSancho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:37 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Laughs in sudo dnf update
noskins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:52 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is a non-starter for me. We've come so far and I'm not going back.
Jackpkmn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:31 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
i love pyfa, but between this and the microsoft smartscreen "protecting" me from it sometimes i just wanna flip my desk.
NoConversation8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:22 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In short Windows Feature Update.
Toph_er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:58 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe I read the title as the trigonomic function "sine" and was very confused when the image had nothing to do with math..
Izamito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:33 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
PowerBI...
-theIvy- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin unity
-SammyP6- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
*laughs in Linux
ComputerMystic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This right here is why Windows needs a package manager. Linux has had them basically forever, and you run ONE command to upgrade everything.
Windows Store doesn't count, it's shit.
nosaj626 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:05 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking MSI afterburner.
lifelink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:08 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
MSI afterburner...
The__Goose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:27 on August 24, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I don't update my evga software.
BigDisk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:05 on August 25, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, filezilla!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:20 on August 27, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So Reaper?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:59 on August 27, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Laughs hysterically in Linux
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't have fared well pre-2005.
Cactoos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:40 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sudo apt update. Sudo Pacman -Syu
I don't like to be in windows again...
Ostracus ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:42 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The word you're looking for is, upselling. Not going to name any names, but some popular but free programs are like that.
sneakrosco ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:28:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you Unity
ritobanrc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:17:02 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Laughs in Unity Hub
Camotubi ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:45 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, uninstall windows. We got system-wide package managing on Linux since ages ago.
GoGoFartHead ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:06 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Minecraft forge am I right
Proxy_PlayerHD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:09 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
not if you got the twitch launcher, like everyone else
๐๏ธ iCeCoCaCoLa64tv ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:36:36 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or the objectively superior MultiMC.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:04 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also Technic Launcher and FTB Launcher.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:11:42 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There is gonna be a console pleb saying: โconsole doesnโt have this problem!โ, those updates cost money for the company to put it on the ps4 mainframe for updating
EMI_Black_Ace ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:22:17 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
More like PS4 doesn't run any apps.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:24:03 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
More like belongs in the trash
EMI_Black_Ace ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:28:38 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, for the $250 it goes for these days you'd be pretty hard pressed to build something with as good of a gaming experience.
The_-_Ninjaneer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:55 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
in europe the pro is still 399โฌ
dustojnikhummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:43 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
299 in Czech Republic.
The_-_Ninjaneer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:14 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
nice :O
EMI_Black_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:34 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not talking about the Pro.
The_-_Ninjaneer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:06 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
*280โฌ then To get that performance youd be looking at an athlon 200ge and a used GTX 770
EMI_Black_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:44 on August 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at apples vs oranges. An Athlon 200GE would be superior in single-core performance, but probably lose out in games that utilize multiple cores.
I'd never consider a used component in a comparison build, because when you go there you might as well consider the price of a used PS4, which is even cheaper.
Using only "new" parts (and I'm including obsolete stuff here) the only usefully comparable configuration would be a Ryzen 3 2200G with 8GB RAM, as a full package can be put together for around $250 and would beat the hell out of the PS4 for CPU, but the GPU is more comparable to Xbox One -- i.e. 900p/low/30fps vs PS4's 1080p/low/30fps, especially with the substantially reduced memory bandwidth.
You can match the PS4's GPU (RX 560), but then even using an obsolete CPU the system is going to come in over $300 -- anything lower is impossible (unless you go for used parts, but then you'd have to compare used PS4s and you're absolutely going to lose on price/performance there).
But if you want to compare price/performance for PCs versus PS4 Pro, the comparison does get a lot easier -- RX 570 + Athlon 200GE + 8GB RAM gets you in the price/performance ballpark, and you'll be trading single-core CPU performance and multi-core CPU performance but everything else is essentially the same. It might be possible to trade up to a Ryzen 3 and blow the PS4P's CPU performance out of the water by spending just a little bit more.
To do Xbox One X? Trade the RX 570 for an RX 580 and then the only thing you're short on is VRAM.
The_-_Ninjaneer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:21 on August 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thats why I picked used components, new hardware on PS4 level is barely available NEW anymore (in europe)
EMI_Black_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:50 on August 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. What's the price of a used PS4 in Europe?
The_-_Ninjaneer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:56 on August 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Starting 260โฌ locally (pickup or shipping )
Pro starting 315โฌ
New are around 300โฌ and 380โฌ respectively
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:49 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It doesnโt play roblox.
sir_nubby ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:00:51 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... I thought you were arguing against PS4? Why are you making arguments for it now?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:12 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody knows...
EMI_Black_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:08 on August 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Have kids. Can confirm that this is a good argument for the superiority of the PS4.