Edit 1 Day Later: I didn't think this would blow up as much as it did. I have been trying to reply to all. also as a quick piece of info. Make sure you look at the apps it is removing, I have seen some people saying that they ran it and it removed something that they used. Check all the lines and see, if there is an app that you want to keep you can either delete that line or put rem at the front of it.
Iggy_2539 ยท 3216 points ยท Posted at 13:03:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My highest rated comment since calling out a repost is reposting someone's script. How ironic.
For those 78 inbox messages which are asking for help: THIS IS NOT MY SCRIPT. /u/caizer68 POSTED THIS SCRIPT, BUT FAILED TO ACCOUNT FOR REDDIT'S MARKUP. I REPOSTED HIS SCRIPT WITH THE FORMATTING FIXED. ASK HIM FOR HELP.
You fell victim to reddit formatting. Here's the easy-to-copy version.
@rem *** Disable Some Service ***
sc stop DiagTrack
sc stop diagnosticshub.standardcollector.service
sc stop dmwappushservice
sc stop WMPNetworkSvc
sc stop WSearch
sc config DiagTrack start= disabled
sc config diagnosticshub.standardcollector.service start= disabled
sc config dmwappushservice start= disabled
REM sc config RemoteRegistry start= disabled
REM sc config TrkWks start= disabled
sc config WMPNetworkSvc start= disabled
sc config WSearch start= disabled
REM sc config SysMain start= disabled
REM *** SCHEDULED TASKS tweaks ***
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\AppID\SmartScreenSpecific" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\ProgramDataUpdater" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\StartupAppTask" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\Consolidator" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\KernelCeipTask" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\UsbCeip" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\Uploader" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Shell\FamilySafetyUpload" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Office\OfficeTelemetryAgentLogOn" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Office\OfficeTelemetryAgentFallBack" /Disable
schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Office\Office 15 Subscription Heartbeat" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Autochk\Proxy" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\CloudExperienceHost\CreateObjectTask" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\DiskDiagnostic\Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\DiskFootprint\Diagnostics" /Disable *** Not sure if should be disabled, maybe related to S.M.A.R.T.
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\FileHistory\File History (maintenance mode)" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Maintenance\WinSAT" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\NetTrace\GatherNetworkInfo" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\PI\Sqm-Tasks" /Disable
REM The stubborn task Microsoft\Windows\SettingSync\BackgroundUploadTask can be Disabled using a simple bit change. I use a REG file for that (attached to this post).
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Time Synchronization\ForceSynchronizeTime" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Time Synchronization\SynchronizeTime" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Windows Error Reporting\QueueReporting" /Disable
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\Automatic App Update" /Disable
@rem *** Remove Telemetry & Data Collection ***
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Device Metadata" /v PreventDeviceMetadataFromNetwork /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\DataCollection" /v "AllowTelemetry" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\MRT" /v DontOfferThroughWUAU /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\SQMClient\Windows" /v "CEIPEnable" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\AppCompat" /v "AITEnable" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\AppCompat" /v "DisableUAR" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection" /v "AllowTelemetry" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\AutoLogger\AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\AutoLogger\SQMLogger" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
@REM Settings -> Privacy -> General -> Let apps use my advertising ID...
reg add "HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AdvertisingInfo" /v Enabled /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
REM - SmartScreen Filter for Store Apps: Disable
reg add "HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AppHost" /v EnableWebContentEvaluation /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
REM - Let websites provide locally...
reg add "HKCU\Control Panel\International\User Profile" /v HttpAcceptLanguageOptOut /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
@REM WiFi Sense: HotSpot Sharing: Disable
reg add "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\PolicyManager\default\WiFi\AllowWiFiHotSpotReporting" /v value /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
@REM WiFi Sense: Shared HotSpot Auto-Connect: Disable
reg add "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\PolicyManager\default\WiFi\AllowAutoConnectToWiFiSenseHotspots" /v value /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
@REM Change Windows Updates to "Notify to schedule restart"
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings" /v UxOption /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
@REM Disable P2P Update downlods outside of local network
reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\DeliveryOptimization\Config" /v DODownloadMode /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
REM *** Hide the search box from taskbar. You can still search by pressing the Win key and start typing what you're looking for ***
REM 0 = hide completely, 1 = show only icon, 2 = show long search box
reg add "HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search" /v "SearchboxTaskbarMode" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
REM *** Disable MRU lists (jump lists) of XAML apps in Start Menu ***
reg add "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "Start_TrackDocs" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
REM *** Set Windows Explorer to start on This PC instead of Quick Access ***
REM 1 = This PC, 2 = Quick access
REM reg add "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "LaunchTo" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
@rem Remove Apps
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *3DBuilder* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *Getstarted* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *WindowsAlarms* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *WindowsCamera* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *bing* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *MicrosoftOfficeHub* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *OneNote* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *people* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *WindowsPhone* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *photos* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *SkypeApp* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *solit* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *WindowsSoundRecorder* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *windowscommunicationsapps* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *zune* | Remove-AppxPackage"
REM PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *WindowsCalculator* | Remove-AppxPackage"
REM PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *WindowsMaps* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *Sway* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *CommsPhone* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *ConnectivityStore* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.Messaging* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *Facebook* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *Twitter* | Remove-AppxPackage"
PowerShell -Command "Get-AppxPackage *Drawboard PDF* | Remove-AppxPackage"
@rem NOW JUST SOME TWEAKS
REM *** Show hidden files in Explorer ***
REM reg add "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "Hidden" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
REM *** Show super hidden system files in Explorer ***
REM reg add "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "ShowSuperHidden" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
REM *** Show file extensions in Explorer ***
reg add "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "HideFileExt" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
REM *** Uninstall OneDrive ***
start /wait "" "%SYSTEMROOT%\SYSWOW64\ONEDRIVESETUP.EXE" /UNINSTALL
rd C:\OneDriveTemp /Q /S >NUL 2>&1
rd "%USERPROFILE%\OneDrive" /Q /S >NUL 2>&1
rd "%LOCALAPPDATA%\Microsoft\OneDrive" /Q /S >NUL 2>&1
rd "%PROGRAMDATA%\Microsoft OneDrive" /Q /S >NUL 2>&1
reg add "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{018D5C66-4533-4307-9B53-224DE2ED1FE6}\ShellFolder" /f /v Attributes /t REG_DWORD /d 0 >NUL 2>&1
reg add "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Wow6432Node\CLSID\{018D5C66-4533-4307-9B53-224DE2ED1FE6}\ShellFolder" /f /v Attributes /t REG_DWORD /d 0 >NUL 2>&1
echo OneDrive has been removed. Windows Explorer needs to be restarted.
pause
start /wait TASKKILL /F /IM explorer.exe
start explorer.exe
caizer68 ยท 405 points ยท Posted at 13:05:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sir are doing Gaben's work!
Also how did you do that so quickly? For future copy/paste I would like to know, Thanks!
-Rivox- ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 13:22:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
open notepad++, paste the text in there, keep pressed alt, left click and go down with the cursor till the end of the file (don't highlight, just keep the long cursor). Press space four times and you're golden.
Now copy paste into reddit
Edit: otherwise, if you have RES you can highlight all the text and then click the <> simbol over the editor. It will put the four spaces for you
If you're replacing tabs with either 2 or 4 spaces, that works in Sublime too. Multicaret support in Sublime is just so good though. So much room for activities functionality.
Multicaret is becoming more popular, which is great and I hope support continues to grow, but I just haven't found any other application that supports it as well as Sublime does.
You can do stuff like place a cursor at every match of a regex. That alone has saved me so, so much time editing stuff like XML, JSON, array definitions. Plus it includes selection events in its undo/redo buffer, which, if nothing else, has saved me a lot of stress.
I'm not trying to say that PyCharm is bad or anything! It's just that I don't need its other features most of the time, and I like text editing in Sublime better anyway.
gg, CONTROL+v, SHIFT+g, SHIFT+i, 4SPACE, ESC
gg - go top top of file
CONTROL+v - visual block mode
SHIFT+g - go to bottom of file
SHIFT+i - insert mode
4SPACE - add 4 spaces
ESC - apply to selected lines
AD7GD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commands in vi that take a target usually let you repeat the command to operate on the current line. So >> (like dd, or yy) is the command > on the current line (> again). But you can put any target in the second position. G is the end of the file, so what you want is >G (indent from here to end of file). If you wanted to do one paragraph, it would be >} Or you could delete a paragraph with d} or delete to end with dG
benryves ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:57:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not wishing to start a Holy War, but presumably that only works if your indent is set to four spaces, though. For me that would just stick a single tab in front of everything. :)
Personally, I'd use find-and-replace in regular expression mode and replace ^ with four spaces.
Iggy_2539 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:03:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, my indent in Notepad++ is set to the tab character. It was copied just fine into reddit.
benryves ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:11:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so it does work.
I seem to remember having difficulty in the past and needed to change all my indents to four spaces, but maybe I'm confusing this for another Markdown implementation!
Burnaby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit and Stack Exchange, at least, convert tabs to four spaces.
itchy118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Testing.
TIL. Looks like it does work.
(Unless I have to come back and edit this).
Dobypeti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You dropped these:
อ5. ???
6. Profit!
06gto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never used PowerShell, do I copy paste the entire google doc into something and it processes all that? I'm a newb to this kind of stuff :(
Open the Powershell ISE on your computer. Copy and paste everything into the script pane, or the white part at the top of the screen. If you don't have one hit the little new script icon in the top-left. Once it's copied into the script pane, select it all and hit the green play button. If it asks you for a execution policy, set it remote signed. Be very careful though. You're essentially trusting whoever wrote that Google Docs knows what he's doing and it won't screw up your computer. Just a little warning about arbitrarily running code you found on the internet in general.
06gto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ty sir
karolba ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since we are talking about scripting, you can alternatively use:
One Drive is super annoying if you don't use it. Change the settings for it not to start with Windows? It starts anyways. Uninstall it? Reinstalls itself.
Yeah I think people maybe misinterpret the point of this. It's not a one-and-done setup procedure for every user; it removes bloatware. If for whatever reason you like the bloatware it's removing, remove that line from the script lol.
Or just reinstall it after...as I will have to do after it's done because I didn't read all of the things it's removing.
at least it didn't delete the netflix app.
Arcosah ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 21:23:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keep saying bloatware. This thing removes the fucking calculator. It strips much much more than just bloatware. Even the Photo Viewer and Music Player. These things aren't bloatware, they are Windows default programs. If you use a third party program, like VLC or Irfanview that's fine! But to call Windows default programs that it needs to function as a PC bloatware is absolutely a step too far.
Mirrormn ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:39:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my view, "Bloatware" needs to adversely affect the day-to-day operation of your computer in some way. Usually that means running some sort of process in the background. Programs that just sit inert on your hard drive until you choose to use them are hard to qualify as bloatware, unless there is some mechanism that prevents you from deleting/uninstalling/replacing them normally.
Are you saying that applies to the photos and calculator app?
Mirrormn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, no. I'm agreeing that these simple utility applications shouldn't be considered bloatware.
dougmc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:52 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thing removes the fucking calculator.
To be fair, that line is commented out, so as given it doesn't actually remove the calculator -- not unless you change it to do so.
Really, I wouldn't call this a "remove bloatware" script, but instead a "set up Windows the way whomever wrote it like it" script. Which is still quite useful, though it might be most useful for somebody to use as a template to adjust to their own preferences rather than for them to run as-is.
But yeah, personally ... I'd keep the built-in calculator app.
When was the last time you used the calculator in your OS rather than your web browser? I can't remember personally .
Arcosah ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:00:03 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, literally everyday. Windows key, type in "cal", hit enter, and its up. I'm an engineer in college though so that have something to do with it. The nice thing about the calculator on windows is that it's easy to do something like 4*6 and then realize you also need to add 3 a few seconds later. There's no need to reload the page.
_SnesGuy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:11:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an engineer in college though so that have something to do with it
I'm just a random jerk factory worker, I still use the windows calculator every day. That guys a dumb ass.
boganhobo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:12:53 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't aware people open up their web browser for simple arithmetic rather than the built in calculator.
Skype too. It's a shame because it's actually a really decent OS, but the QC on updates has been very poor and the telemetry nonsense and built in bloatware is just bad business.
No idea why they don't have a big checklist of all available software when configuring a new Windows install. Just let us opt-in, don't make us jump through hoops to opt-out.
Yeah even if its easy stuff to remove it's so shitty to open up the start menu for the first time and see nothing but crap. Obviously I'm not a huge windows supporter, but I still need to know it for work and personal projects. Just sad to see the stock bloat that creeps into some OS's these days and the ideas they try to shovel onto users with every new release. I miss pre-microsoft owned skype sometimes, but at least there are more options out there vs in the early 2000's.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much my reaction when I install stock Windows 10. I used to install right from the Windows disk/ISO-USB-loader and have a nice, fresh OS installed.
Now even if I do that, the desktop is still filled with bullshit bloatware, I hit the start button and instead of this clean efficient menu of "What you want, will go here automatically or manually!" I get "HERE HAVE MORE BLOATWARE PROGRAMS THAT WILL TAKE UP ALL THE SCREEN SPACE AND CAN'T BE REMOVED"
So this is why people think they need 4k monitors: Windows is making it so they need the space
machton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually AM a decent fan of Windows as an OS, but I agree: opening up that start menu for the first time was a shock. I installed Win10 on my desktop as well as my parents' and grandparents' machines, and on every one I had to run a powershell script like the ones in this thread to get rid of so much junk.
It really leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Jinxyface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:06 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The QC issue on updates is only affecting the smallest minority to the point that its no different than any other update on any other program affecting a small number of users there too.
Telemtery is annoying but it's kind of crucial for things like Cortona. Do you use Siri or anything Google or Facebook or YouTube? If you don't like Telemtery, don't use the internet.
I disabled Cortana. I disabled Skype. I disabled OneNote. Why do they feel the need to update these programs, reenable them, put them back in to start-up, and reset much of my Windows privacy settings after every other update?
Why do I have to jump through hoops to disable them in the first place, just for them to come back in a month?
Jinxyface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they feel the need to update these programs, reenable them, put them back in to start-up, and reset much of my Windows privacy settings after every other update?
They don't, unless you're doing something wrong. I've been on Windows 10 since the tech preview and none of my settings are ever reset after an update.
why? onedrive is so fucking convenient
its integrated into my phone, email and windows better than googles or dropboxes shitty version and 1 only need the one account
Because I don't use a Microsoft account. They also like to nag me to use them even though I have no use for either. Gdrive works great for me, but I don't even use it all that much except for sharing project files with my band mate. So I don't even bother integrating it into windows and just access it via browser the few times a month I might need it.
As for Cortana I just hate online search integrated into the desktop and have no use for hands free assistant programs at this time. (Or the possibility of one trying to listen in on my mic 24/7). I even kill google assistant on my phone by just using clean custom ROMs with no google app packages.
You can use your Gmail email for your Microsoft account. Ontop of email and cloud storage. It syncs all my settings and wallpaper across the multiple devices I own or upgrade to
Also Google's storage is limited to 15gbs. I've accumulated like 500 GBs of free storage with one drive
The Cortana thing isn't even an issue. You can choose to never use it and it doesn't affect your daily experience at all
I don't use my win10 partition enough to see the benefits of giving my data to sync to yet another company. That and my Google drive has 2tb+ of storage due to past events and phone/Chromebook purchased. (It's pretty easy to get a few extra gigs a year just doing the yearly security audit for your account)
But specifically for windows users OneDrive is the best. I'm also have like 500gb of free storage I've accumulated
Wayner84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would also use one drive if I had 500gb lol, iCloud works exactly the same, just adds a folder to quick access, although I only have 50gb for 79p a month rn. 100% if I had any one drive storage Iโd use that, but the Apple fanboy in me says no lol
Edit: realised when you say windows users, that means you probably have a windows phone too, which totally makes sense
ddosn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, thats cos its for idiot-proofing corporate thick clients.
I swear, sometimes the employees in a corporate setting go searching for ways to fuck up machines. No wonder so many medium sized companies and larger are switching to a thin-client/Virtualised network set up.
Or using scripts like the above to remove anything and everything that could possibly be used to screw a computer in some form.
Vargurr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:22 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can open each picture inside its own window, Esc to close it, batch convert, plethora of editing options, including merging pics in panorama modes, lots of other stuff; and this is before adding plugins, all in a very light-weight package, you only need the 2MB exe basically.
Not sure why you haven't heard of it, since it's hugely popular.
zeekaran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suggestion on photo viewer?
Audiovore ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:58:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried IrfanView?
zeekaran ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:24:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried it on W7 and it was alright. Quite ugly, but practical. Just wondering what the current options are, and I shouldn't be surprised that's still up there.
Audiovore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, perhaps it's cause I turn off the buttons and use classic Windows theme, it's the most pure viewer I've come across. Far better than anything I've seen MS natively integrate.
IrfanView is the standard by which other viewers are judged. The speed with which it opens files is second to nothing I've found. It does almost every kind of image, and there are even useful editing and resampling and filetype changing functions. Plus it's small and $0.
Aerophus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to give ImageGlass a go if you're looking for aesthetic and functionality. It's also open source which is neat.
Arcosah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay until you scroll to the end and rather than just stay on teh current image it throws a fit telling you theres nothing else in the folder.
It's free. Uses only minimum of resources. Supports many formats (more than 500). Contains batch processor and duplicate finder. Allows for simple photo manipulation operations.
I don't know why people complain abut Win10; All of the tracking and bloatware is easy to remove with just a few hundred registry edits and powershell commands.
jorgp2 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, nice shitpost M8
Zmodem ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fucking shit. I have a decent system (i5-6500, 32Gb DDR4), and after applying this (granted I edited a few of the app removals, and I kept the forced time sync), my system is exponentially more responsive. I'm not sure what the root cause was (possibly all of it?), but thank you so much!
I'd just like to mention that I don't throw around Wow! factor shit unless I mean it. There's a huge difference between "Yea, I notice a difference" and "Holy fuck, this is night and day!", and trust me, for me, this was night and day.
JeffBoner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of ram
Zmodem ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:42:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, it's just amazing to me that disabling and removing all of that bloat shit from above made such a huge impact. I'm definitely saving this batch for other systems :D
Shuamann1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:56:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure you remove the lines for software that should stay on a typical PC. Such as the calculator and photo applications.
Zmodem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I did that, I just didn't mention that I kept the photo app as well ;)
otterom ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:22:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's a curious wink...
lividash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's for pictures of his dong.
IhaveGin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:18:25 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that shit runs in the background consuming resources. My home setup has a script that's similiar that runs at logon that checks if things I don't want installed or running and if so to remove or disable these features. Annoying that I had to do it really.
Zmodem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not noticeable at all in gaming, save for launching. I would say OS responsiveness is where the major areas of impact took place. Application launches are super snappy now. Window painting seems to also be positively affected. The most noticeable windows taking change are browsers, and video apps.
jorgp2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it is.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:01:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would you make these changes on a system level? And is that a good idea (as in, can removing something entirely break something else, like adding new users or something).
xtr0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:35 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful with this since you may not have an easy recovery if you permanently remove something that you need. Some of the preinstalled apps can be grabbed from the store, but not all of them. I'm not sure how one would recover if they use this to remove something they need and also remove something that the Windows store depends on. I'd also caution against using wildcards with this command since it's permanent. If you don't know what that means, please don't run a random powershell script you find online. If you do, take the extra 5 minutes to enumerate exactly what you want to remove.
I'm guessing this is best used on a fresh install prior to installing drivers.
madd74 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:54:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really should be putting a warning on your post. There are people that do not realize that not everything on this list is "bloatware". Due to the popularity to this post, you are going to cause the average user issues. I've read some of the comments, and people are somehow implementing this code yet have no clue what they are doing because they think nothing but garbage is being removed.
I think we're just removing the unnecessary bloatware, as it were, that comes shipped with windows10.
Folks bought an operating system with their hard earned money, not am in-home Microsoft shopping keosk.
Revofev92 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:49:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calculator is not unnecessary bloatware
joke_LA ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:22:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 Calculator has popups asking you to go rate it on the app store. To me that instantly makes it bloatware.
c4v3m4naa ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:07:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never, in almost two years of using the Windows 10 calculator, seen a single ad or anything outside of calculator functionality on my calculator.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Revofev92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:23:52 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Needs an internet connection though. I'd say that applies to roughly half the machines I use in my job (most of them are just controllers for scientific instruments).
not everyone is familiar with github even if he knows basic coding.
Ancillas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:42 on October 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learning opportunity!
Even pastebin would be better than a big inline mess, imo.
xKairu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:50:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a heads up considering this is /r/pcmasterrace: I believe disabling telemetry breaks Xbox-branded game achievements. I used a program a while ago to do the same thing, and achievements weren't popping when I'd 100% completed them. Had to enable it all again and redo the achievement.
Holy fuck. All that just to get rid of the cruft? If only I wasn't too apathetic to switch to Linux.
Kytsuine ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:03:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come join us!
Today, start the download - let's say Ubuntu Mate. While it's downloading, eat some chips and watch a British mystery show that isn't Sherlock.
Tomorrow, get a bootable USB creator, like Sardu. Then, use it to make your live USB, and treat yourself to ice cream and YouTube - perhaps some Google Translate Sings.
Third day, plug in your USB while your computer is off, and watch it turn on. It'll probably say something like "press F12 for boot options", but you'll be too slow to press it. That's ok. Just let it start up.
a) If it starts the Live USB, then don't install yet, just play around to see if you like it. It'll be slow, since it's running off a USB, but just fiddle around a bit. Maybe do your computing that way.
b) If it boots into Windows, Windows will want to format your USB. Don't let it. Restart and press the button from earlier. Use the arrow keys and move around until the USB is your target device, then boot from it. See subsection a.
Treat yourself - have some Cheetos and a movie. You're a Linux user now! Consider purchasing a stuffed penguin, but don't bother.
If you like Ubuntu Mate, install it alongside Windows - there are great guides out there, so spend day four looking for them and reading. Print one off. Go admire the sky tonight. The world is beautiful.
b) If you don't like it, give up. Try again with a different distro in two months.
On day five, back up your computer to an external hard disk or a network system. You should have done that before now, but since you're following my instructions, do it now. While it's backing up, write a nice letter to your oldest living relative. Resolve to send it tomorrow. Feeling good about yourself, eat your favorite meal for supper.
On day six, follow the instructions you printed off, and install Ubuntu Mate alongside Windows. Listen to this to feel awesome. You now have a Linux computer!
On day seven, rest, look at your creation, and say that it is very good. You did it! Congratulations!
Edit: halp how is do a format?
jantari ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:22 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should be recommending Rufus instead of Sardu
Kytsuine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:40 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably right. That's just what I used first time, and it was good enough for me.
Saved this comment. Definitely gonna run this when I get home and clean up all the stupid shit I never use.
Kytsuine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be sure to read through and only remove what you don't use.
TP3NG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is great. Wish I stumbled on this before I had to individually google how to do everything.
I just bought a computer for my mother. 7 Years since I bought a new one. Was horrified to see all the bloatware. Clash of the Clans- yes my mother would love that game. -.- & it auto-installs itself when I uninstall it? Perfect.
I can't believe how much work I had to do just to setup a fresh computer for her to access yahoo mail every two days.
One of the lines seems to disable the Wifi Hotspot. Am I crazy or is this true? I use the hotspot for my PS4 since it can't connect to my University WiFi
Kytsuine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite an answer, but:
Not true of all universities, but a lot have a webpage hidden on their internal network where you can register your console's MAC address and it'll be allowed on the network. For example, mine is nac.[redacted].edu/gaming-registration . I'd check your IT department's home page, or send them an email if you can't find it.
tadc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:06 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may use it but 90% of people would consider it a waste of resources.
I understand that, I was just asking before I ran this script
Slims ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:48:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you uninstall onedrive? I save everything to my onedrive. You get an absurd amount of storage if you have office. If you have multiple computers its great, and it serves as a backup of all your files.
Anything I want encrypted for extra safety I just zip and encrypt with winrar and keep it in my drive.
A lot of people talking about this script, I'd guess, are SysAdmins for a business. Unless OneDrive is your preferred backup solution, you don't want it on there.
jantari ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Sysadmins would not disable Office Telemetry, wouldn't run a batch script this long on user logon and wouldn't uninstall OneDrive on a per-user basis but rather take it right out of the ISO
As someone who isn't as versed on this side of things, what exactly does this do outside or removing some of these useless Win10 apps? Don't need a full list but just a general idea. I wouldn't want to adversely affect anything.
brrrrip ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:17:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, lets see....
It kills the diagnostic and app push services and disables them in the registry.
Kills the scheduled tasks related to the telemetry (usage stats), and disables them in the registry.
disables app advertising id, smartScreen filter for store apps, localization for websites, hotspot sharing, and shared hotspot auto-connect.
Changes windows update settings to notify to schedule restart, and disables P2P update downloads outside of the LAN
Hides the search box on the taskbar.
Disables jumplists for xaml apps.
The windows explorer opening to 'this pc' or the 'quick access' screen is there, but it is commented out atm. Just delete 'REM' at the beginning of line 84 to enable that tweak. By default it will set it to open 'this pc'.
It removes a lot of the default windows universal apps except windows maps and the calculator.
It enables showing file extensions for known files types.
And uninstalls OneDrive, and disables it in the registry.
Then it kills the explorer, and restarts it.
This would be a pretty nice and easy way to set up a work terminal for a business. Running batch scripts without knowing exactly what they do really isn't a good idea. This one changes a lot of things. You might not want to run this on a home pc depending on what you want or use without customizing it a bit. You can just add 'REM' without the quotes to any line you don't want to run. (commenting out)
For example, if you didn't want it to uninstall one drive, comment lines 126 through 134.
If you don't want it to show common file extensions then comment out line 121.
If you want it to show hidden files then un-comment line 115.
If you like the new 3d Builder app and want to keep it, then comment line 87.
This script seems like a monster list of code, but it's commented fairly well and broken into sections.
Line numbers? comments? How can I make this easier to read?
I use notepad++ set up fairly simply.
install notepad++
install the VS2015 Dark Theme for Notepad++ as per the instructions on that page.
Download the input font and install it/them; particularly the inputsans light.
Open (or close and reopen) notepad++, go to the settings menu and then preferences.
in the editing section, make sure display line number is checked.
Click ok, and close that.
In settings > style configurator, the select theme drop down should be set to vs2015-dark, and set the font drop down to inputsans light.
Check all the global font boxes below.
To color this batch file properly, open the file in notepad++, click the language menu, hover over B, and select batch.(if its not already selected)
You should now have a very pretty display of this batch file that's really easy to read through, and you have line numbers.
Hold ctrl and mouse scroll to make the font larger or smaller.
Wow, amazing reply. A huge thank you for this information, I really appreciate it. Like you said, the code lays it out pretty logically so I'll go through it line by line to ensure I'm only removing the parts I want to remove.
This is for a personal PC so ultimately I'm just looking to remove some of the bloatware that's installed by default with Win10. Why I'm unable to remove the default OneNote application after I purchased Office 365 is beyond me...
I ran this without knowing anything like an idiot on my home computer and want to undo it, is there any way you can help?
brrrrip ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok, this is bang on the exact opposite of the script you ran.
The only rub is that you need to open an admin powershell and run this first command separately after the script finishes to re-install the default apps. It is different from the normal command that you will find on the net due to the fact that it gathers the manifests from allusers. Just search powershell from the start menu, and right-click 'run as administrator'. Copy and paste this first command in and run it.
Well, that and it's going to turn on and enable all the data-collections options again, no matter what you had it previously set to.
Just remember that you can add REM to the beginning of lines/sections you don't want it to do.
I have tested this and it works in a fresh VM of win10. That's kinda what took me so long. Sorry I can't run the apps powershell command automatically. Double quotes in the line get in the way.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the font in notepad++ would be dictated by the theme at that point. If you wanted InputSans Light, you'd have to check "Enable Global Font".
brrrrip ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup yup. missed that part. ty.
I do have global font enabled.
In your screenshot, "start=" is blue. What makes it blue? For me it's the color of the rest of the line (white).
I note that my DOS commands are dark blue and the system variables are light blue, FWIW.
brrrrip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I had never really noticed that.
But looking at it, my lists of keywords for the batch style in the configurator is different between my desktop and laptop.
My desktop looks like you described.
That screenshot is off my laptop.
I normally don't mess around with things like that.
The only difference I can see is that my desktop (like yours) is version 7.4.2, and my laptop is still v7.3.2(with the blue).
If I go download the zip version of v7.3.2 and check it, it has the same keyword list as my laptop.
so...... looks like it's just NP++ version differences.
If you want, open the style config, go to batch on the left, and then the keyword option in the style section.
Throw the following into the user-defined box.
assoc aux break call cd chcp chdir choice cls cmdextversion color com com1 com2 com3 com4 con copy country ctty date defined del dir do dpath echo else endlocal erase errorlevel exist exit for ftype goto if in loadfix loadhigh lpt lpt1 lpt2 lpt3 lpt4 md mkdir move not nul path pause popd prn prompt pushd rd rem ren rename rmdir set setlocal shift start time title type ver verify vol
I know it duplicates a lot of them, but it won't matter.
Doesn't remove anything for me. Tried running it many times with a fresh W10 install in VM and nothing. It removed onenote tho, but that's it.
hawkcore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this work for window 7? Obviously I don't have one drive so that line of code won't do anything right?
brrrrip ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, this tweaks windows 10's universal apps and telemetry settings that aren't present in windows 7.
This is pretty much for Win10 only.
Not that you are missing anything. Win7 is pretty much ok by default.
hawkcore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok thanks. My window 7 is getting slower, I already did a few sessions of program purge, but it is still very slow. I am always looking for new way to disable or delete programs that got forced into my computer.
brrrrip ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner (the infiltration is fixed now)
Malwarebytes
Run the free scan of hitman pro.
Check msconfig for services(not microsoft) and startup you can disable.
Check the 'C:\Windows\logs\CBS' folder. Delete everything in there.
In an admin cmd window run:
sfc /scannow
Defrag the hard drive with something like defraggler.
That's probably as good as you are going to get it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:30 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've run it as a .bat file and I get "ERROR: Access is denied." for many of the commands. Do you know why? It's on a fresh install of Windows and I have full admin access.
brrrrip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:55 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right click it and run as admin.
That's that only reason I can think that you would be getting denied access.
Even though you are an admin on the system, you will be running things as your user on the user permission level unless you specify 'run as administrator'
When you run things with admin permissions, you should get a user account control pop-up asking you if you want that program to make changes to your system. If you don't get that UAC pop-up, you either aren't running with admin permissions, or you have user account control diabled.
The only other reason you might be getting denied is if you are connected to a domain network, and the group policy for the domain is blocking it. In that case, you would need to speak to the system/network admin to mess with this. I highly doubt this is your case though. It would be beyond foolish to be running something like this on a domain-connected work computer that doesn't belong to you.
I think I didn't mention running as admin in my first comment. I will go back and edit it.
Thanks, and I hope that helps you out.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:26 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it still denies me access when I click "run as admin" on Command Prompt and also by opening Properties, though I should clarify that it only denies access for certain tasks. Most of the apps got uninstalled without any issues. This is my personal computer, a brand new machine with a factory reset to stock Windows, with only one user that has full admin control and it's not part of any workgroup. It's very baffling. I don't have a personal firewall installed - perhaps Windows Defender is blocking me? I even disabled UAC entirely.
When I get home, I'll check c:\windows\system32 permissions, and I've read that pinning Command Prompt to the start menu might also work (go figure).
I'll post a pastebin later tonight and try to figure out which tasks are being denied.
brrrrip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for sure.
Once you find out what commands are failing, that will at least give you a starting point to begin looking at why it's failing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:05 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm such a goober... I realized that I neglected to run the .bat file as an administrator. Everything is good now, thank you!!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:46:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jantari ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologies for this noob question but what does all of this do? This looks like a helluva lot and I donโt quite understand it. Iโve been trying so many things to make my Win10 Pro run faster and more secure but am worried Iโm going to accidentally fuck my pc up
snailshoe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:16:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt run anything you donโt understand.
That goes for this post and any other tips online. There may be things in here that would help you out, but there maybe things that you use or need. And if you donโt understand it, there it no way to tell which is which and verify if this will be good for you or not.
Great advice! I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Any recommendations on how best to learn about this sort of stuff? I really appreciate the help
snailshoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The REM lines are commets that give some information as to what is going on. The best way to start would be to google those items to see what they do. For example โWi-Fi senseโ might not be immediately clear as to what you might use it for, but after googling youโd see that it is probably something youโd want to keep enabled if you use Wi-Fi networks.
Yeah I learned that I needed WiFi Sense the hard way lol. I really wanna learn these things because Iโd love to build my own rig but I canโt seem to find the right place to start
Well, OP's post is just a script that you'd save as a .bat and run that removes all the aforementioned programs that come with win10. If you don't know what you're doing and think you probably need those programs, don't run it.
That's basically all it is.
stevil30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes there is - documentation by the person who posted it as to why each item is turned off.
snailshoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reread his post and mine. He says he doesnโt understand it. If he doesnโt understand it, how will he know what he is doing?
stevil30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what do i do with this and where does it go and what does it remove exactly? forgive my ignorance. i have an acer with their bloatwear and id love that shit to vanish. im just missing context and instructions
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some of it comes back. im also computer stupid... like i can't remove one drive shit like that. i just want a crash corse on exactly the base shit i need running... idk sorry
tworkout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually use onedrive and zune. I'll cut that out and use it for the rest though, this is phenominal.
Let's not forget Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online
Removes all of the appx packages from the 'package store' so it wont put them back in if you generate another account. The above command removes them all, so be careful. You can follow the format of the command above (the appname) as above to take out specific ones..
kentgrav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:43 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the script. I saw it and did some research on a few other scripts out there that people have written to clean up their systems. I then compiled everything I found and re-wrote it in PowerShell making it a bit easier to add and remove things you may want or not want changed or removed. I also teach PowerShell scripting and figured it would be a nice project to have my students do. So I also added some comments describing what some of the registry keys are used for as best I could.
Additionally, it creates a system restore point for you prior to executing if you choose to.
Here is my script. Any feedback is welcomed. Enjoy!
Windows 10 has a ton of unnecessary background services and telemetry phoning home to Microsoft. It hurts performance and can affect network performance for the whole friggen network with no benefit to you except better ads.
LordMcze ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:07:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we have an office still using a T1 line, and until we ran a similar script, everytime a Windows update was available their internet would go down.
This removes a bunch of unneeded stuff, but it goes way further than that and changes a lot of things that users outside of enterprise environments should not be messing with. I strongly recommend not running this script unless you understand what each component does. Otherwise, you risk unexpected behavior, and possibly even issues in the future when you attempt to upgrade Windows.
Agreed, I think I'd use this if it had a revert script.. so I could test it out
Arcosah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it removes a ton of Windows default programs as well like Photo Viewer. You'd need to dig through it and comment out the stuff you don't want to remove.
gumenski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remove Windows sound recorder and calculator though ..?
If you don't use it, why have it running? I've been meaning to remove it because I don't use it and some apps default to the OneDrive\Documents folder for saving which is extremely annoying if I click to fast and don't change the folder. (My hobby is tv ripping/encoding so my files are gigabytes in size- definitely not onedrive friendly.)
dougeff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, makes sense.
altodor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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You may also be able to get away with three backticks, but I may be mixing too much real markdown in here.
```
Whelp, you can. I just can't figure out how to properly escape them. They also break on blank lines.
Yeah, I tryed inputting these commands and removing the errors as they popped up, which didn't stop happening, just kept getting more errors. The only thing this whole command line managed to do was get rid of the search bar on the start menu lmao. "Easy" copy and paste, my fuckin ass.
This isn't a command, you save it as a script and then run it. It can be very dangerous to just randomly use scripts that you find online. Make sure you fully understand how to use / what it does before you run anything.
Past it in notepad or notepad++ and make sure to comment out the parts you dont want it to uninstall like onedrive by adding REM to the from of the lines. And this script is the exact opposite.
One guy claimed to be in the hospital after trying it.
Banemorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't doubt it. I knew where it was going as soon as it talked about finding things in your bathroom but I know kids that have no business being on 4chan are on there and while doing that is dumb they don't deserve to die for not knowing. I always liked the whole charge your phone by microwaving it and shit but this could be tragic.
acyclebum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved. Thank you!
xlaxplaya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is every line that starts with REM just a comment? Does that mean I have to remove the REM if I want that line to run? Also, what's with the lines that start with @rem?
I don't know much about powershell.
jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a PowerShell script, PowerShell would be easier to read. It's a Batch file, for the old legacy Windows command prompt (cmd). And yes, REM lines are comments.
Which means that whoever built this didn't know what they were doing, and was just disabling things until something broke and they had to roll back. Definitely a good approach to system administration...
Yeah, I doubt it. If there's only a couple of REMed out lines in the script, then
They're not using source control
They were originally part of the script.
If someone hacked a script together that disabled w32tm or any other time sync system, then I wouldn't trust their scripts with a ten-foot pole.
Tavyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the reg file that turns off Microsoft\Windows\SettingSync\BackgroundUploadTask mentioned in the script?
xnfd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This removed the Movies & TV app which I liked because it had really fast scrubbing compared to MPC-HC or VLC. Which one was it and how do I get it back?
Aonbyte1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link a pastie or something.
caizer68 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:05:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a link now, didn't think of reddit formatting.
Tr3v0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do i change it to .bat? Everytime i change the name or in properties, it still opens as a text file
Syarasu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open the text file
click "save as.."
name it something.bat
change "save as type:" from Text documents to All files
djpokeboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much mate. Now Windows 10 may be a bit moer bearable.
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH, Win 10 wasn't a huge change for me. Although this script helped get rid of a ton of bloatware.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have always been relevant, just depends on how you use them.
I do a lot of remote support. So even a simple batch file for IP release and renew is great. I don't have to walk a user through opening cmd and typing it.
calexbg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get an explain it like I'm 5 as what this .bat will do for me?
This batch file will remove a lot of Windows 10 Apps, disabled tracking and diagnostics (data that gets sent to microsoft about your PC use), some general quality of life adjustments and uninstalls OneDrive. I'd be careful applying this to your own PC as the changes to the registry are hard to undo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Candy Crush is in the list, if not it isn't hard to add it.
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of those lines where in there when the file was sent to me. I just marked commands I didn't think needed to run with a rem or @rem. Some of them already had the rem/@rem on them.
I don't feel like it should affect it, but these are aimed at W10?
I didn't get a choice, and accidentally updated to it lol
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:32 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you accidently updated to Win 10?
As long as you have Win 10 you can use this script.
Make sure you look at the apps it is removing, I have seen some people saying that they ran it and it removed something that they used. Check all the lines and see, if there is an app that you want to keep you can either delete that line or put rem at the front of it.
Well, there is a longer story, but it was easier to say it was an accident.
I left my pc at a friend's house after a gaming session. I let him log in to play some of my games.
There was some miscommunication, because he got an update notification.
It got lost in communications that this was the upgrade from 7 to 10. I told him it was okay, assuming it was just a patch or something as I wasn't ready for 10 yet .
Hi! Sorry. This question is emabrassingly stupid, but if this gets rid of all of these evil windows apps, then where do I paste it to in the first place?
caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copy into notepad and when you do a save as change the Save As Type to all files and name the file what you want with a .bat at the end of it.
Make sure you look at the apps it is removing, I have seen some people saying that they ran it and it removed something that they used. Check all the lines and see, if there is an app that you want to keep you can either delete that line or put rem at the front of it.
Thanks so much for sharing the script. For a complete Noob like me would you be able to share some simple steps to run this please. I opened power shell in Win10 and copied it but had some error messages so wasnt sure if it executed correctly. Thanks.
IdanTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:01 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a quick question after the dust has setteled:
When I install a fresh copy of windows 10, update it to it's latest updates, is it always recommended (for me, my friends, etc) to run those scripts without even a double think?
And thanks for this!
(Just to be clear - are all those tasks/services/apps are totaly un-needed?)
caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:41 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recommended: no
You should always look into a script before you run it, never run something on your computer you haven't looked to see what it does.
This is script was designed with business computer in mind not a home user, so a few apps are removed that a home user might want/need. If you are going to run this script look at all the apps and make sure something isn't being removed that you would like to keep.
If there is a app you want to keep you can either:
Delete the line
or
put @rem infront of the line to make it a comment and not a command.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:24 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:55 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes save it then make it into a .bat file then you can run it.
Or copy and paste it into powershell.
Seems like powershell has become the new regedit :x
[deleted] ยท 1036 points ยท Posted at 12:52:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's safer than regedit, and when there are mistakes powershell is really good at reporting the error. Plus being able to connect with azure AD is great for management.
aloehart ยท 374 points ยท Posted at 12:55:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell back when I worked tier 2 help desk I had 90% of the issues I was assigned scripted out in powershell. It's basically the bash of the Microsoft world.
They teach powershell classes at my uni. You can even do your bachelors project on Powershell.
Any tech company that use Microsoft services can have great use out of it to. A decent IT guy making scripts can make any IT department run smoothly with just a big library of scripts for all kinds of tasks.
Add new users? Script it.
Change permissions? Script it.
Roll out new clients workstations? Scriptz!
aloehart ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 13:16:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can go so far as to wrap a bunch of scripts into a gui for a catch all application
Some guy at my uni made one big powershell script as his Bachelors a few years ago.
Roll out a new windows installation on a network, install and setup literally everything needed to use for any user. All the programs and settings, all the networking and permissions. The script was thousands of lines.
He got a job immediately because the script came with him when he graduated.
powershell is cool.
Gequinn ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 13:28:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While cool, sounds like that would have been better implemented with just using SCCM.
Gequinn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:50:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're definitely right. I read the comment in haste and was thinking that he made it for his University specifically in addition to using it for his bachelor's. The University definitely has SCCM money for sure.
Worked for a VOIP company a bit ago and CentOS was perfect for SMBs and honestly I could see it working for large scale companies as well.
Seiryth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even without sccm, you can do so much now with the OSD and Wsus for free.
Cool that your friend did this, but any business relying on a 1000+ line script for deployment is asking for trouble when he leaves. And he will evetuallly
Wasn't my friend, I was just commenting on the fact that not everyone can afford SCCM. I actually work for an MSP with small clients so even trying to get them to spring for an additional license for things like WSUS is a tough sell, but I definitely know where you're coming from.
Iohet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GPO push with an INI? Granted, your company may not be able to afford AD either
True, but it requires a server (and license) to run it on and a lot of small businesses won't spring for more than a single domain controller, and honestly most of them don't even want to spend the money on that much.
Desired State configuration is more for keeping servers inline of a specific task configuration at scale. Doesn't really translate super well to managing user endpoints.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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daniejam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SCCM is piss easy to use compared to some of the other management software.
The problem with it is MS documentation is pathetic.
In a large environment it's really, really powerful.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:45:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We just started using OSD in our enterprise environment and holy shit is that a time saver. No more using Ghost and updating images. We use standard Dell models throughout so drivers are pretty straight forward. Program catalog allows standard users to install approved programs without putting in a ticket. We are going to have to find something else for the Jr. to do in our dept.
SCCM sucks though and has never worked right for any company I have been with. Plus, even in the best situation, it can be wonky with computers that aren't on the domain.
Gequinn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having the computer on the domain is kinda the point, isn't it?
Nithryok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cant wait for sccm, how's the 2016 version compared to 2012? getting it next month
Bogus1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you have people who dont know how to use it...end up taking 5 hours for one image....multiple fails
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:13:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a consumer version of this? I try to keep up to date with tutorials that focus on what you need to do after a fresh Windows install, but things change so quickly, and the net feels like it's plagued with misinformation and Gizmodo articles.
I'd love to dive into doing this sort of thing myself.
You can probably make a script for fresh windows installs on a consumer level. But honestly if you are concerned about things changing quickly, then a PS script won't be your solution. You will probably have to make edits on the script each time to account for new stuff coming out anyway, and then you are pretty much where you started.
For consumer stuff, I just use ninite.com. You get all the programs in one handy installer without the bloatware that comes with.
Get the most naked windows you can, remove some stuff you don't like. Then run windows update, get some drivers, and finally ninite to finish the job. You should be good to go after that.
I'm curious. Are you saying that the employer partly hired him because they get to use his script? If so, does it basically become their property? He made it before he started there so I assume not.
aloehart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:44:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the person you're talking to but it's his property unless he explicitly signed it over. He can use it while working there but until he inks a transfer it still belongs to him
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how it works. If the script is owned by the school or the student.
But it's pretty common at my uni for students to write their project directly for a business. Maybe the guy wrote it for the business and he made them exactly what they asked for.
That's interesting but I would hope the business would not be allowed to use it unless they hire the person. Otherwise, that would seem like a cheap way if getting some free labor.
"Free" is probably not the word I would use. The company have to have a student councilor to help whoever is doing the project for 4 months, in addition to the schools councilor. The student is writing their bachelors project for the company after all.
And the benefits are pretty nice. You get real experience with business outside of school, you get a real-world assignment instead of a theoretical one at school. And lastly you get exposure to a company that does real IT and potential job opportunities.
Once you graduate you can start asking for employment, but as a full-time student stuff like "exposure" and "experience" is awesome because you essentially get it for free while you are a student.
gort818 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So like kickstart?
theelous3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, well I made a script that downloads a customized set of robot OS software from an internal network based off user-set parameters. In CMD.
Unfortunately our software guy doesn't like it, so I kept it to myself. He likes them to manually navigate multiple folders and copy the files they need. Whatever. Made my life easier.
Zjurc ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:37:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did this at work. Made a bunch of small scripts for Windows Server and Exchange to check users, delete them, create new ones, assign mail, disable/enable accounts etc.
Wrapped them all up in one Powershell toolkit gui. Hit a number and press enter. Fill out some info if needed. Very simple
What toolkit gui did you use? Been wanting to do something similar.
Zjurc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell. It looks a lot like this. I wanted it this way because the size of the file is kept to a minimum and it's easy to drop it on a server and run it from there, if the need arises to do so.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:36:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep that's what made it easy to do. Basically if I had to touch AD or Exchange I would script it out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i've pretty much made my career so far by living in the CLI. you'd be surprised now many windows techs are hunt and peck/click, on both their keyboards and in their admin tools.
for shame!
aloehart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked years in IT helpdesks surrounded by tier 2 and 3 Microsoft Certified "Experts" who didn't know how to write a batch file. Glad I got out of that environment before it drove me nuts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what're you doing now, if you don't mind me asking?
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Software development and sever administration on a small DoD contract.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice. good to see someone else who graduated from "hell desk" and onto other successful opportunities.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just gotta keep that search going for new opportunities. I got comfortable in the mindless work of it for a while and that was a bad idea.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the mindless work was never acceptable to me, i get bored quickly and require constant new challenges. imagine a cattle/herding dog in sysadmin form. it's to the point now where i've hopped and advanced so quickly recently that i need to stay in a position and get some longevity or it'll start to look bad on my resume.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way. I'm glad I landed where I did. My job title is Software Developer but realistically I'm the contract's catch all. Everything from development to network security. From creating training materials to doing drone health checks. Never a dull moment for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sounds exciting. did you have a clearance going in, or did they sponsor you for it? i have some family and friends who are in the military and they always say that they need good people to do tech work, they're having a hard time finding quality consultants/contractors, and now there's a huge backlog/freeze on getting new clearances, so i'm stuck in the civvy private sector for now.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to get one for the job, but I got the job about a year and a half ago. It took 3 months to get my interim and a full year before the full clearance came through.
And there's definitely a backlog. We hired someone 6ish months ago and they still haven't gotten their interim.
If you happen to be in the Huntsville AL area and can handle ASP C# stuff they're hiring someone for development.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm on the west coast working 100% remote doing the infra side of a devops shop for a fully cloud hosted SaaS company now, so it's pretty much a unicorn gig for me at this point in my career.
i used to work for a DoD contractor during my helldesk time (they have a shop in rocket city too), but i have no desire or ambition to move out that way.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't blame you at all. It's a super cheap place to live but a bit boring. At least there's plenty of work though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you have EMC open, go into tracking log explorer, for example, and build a query. in the bottom, below the fields you use to search for email, it'll give you a powershell command that's gonna use for your search.
in some of the other options, such as changing mailbox permissions, it'll give it to you on the status page, it doesn't immediately jump out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with the EAC (web console), there are now some things that are "powershell only" now, so be careful. i tend to err towards CLI first, and if i can't do what i want to do quickly (relative to urgency of the task), then i move to the GUI.
Didn't they take that functionality out in Exchange 2013?...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:37 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
couldn't tell you, personally. i went from exchange 2010 to O365 (where i'm much more prepared to manage via powershell, so that feature isn't as helpful for me anywhere).
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:29:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually have a task that runs a script to run another script. It seemed like the easiest way to set it up. It basically creates a checkpoint of our VMs and copies them to another server that gets backed up.
altodor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do this often in Mac world. We use a FOSS tool called outset that runs scripts as prescribed times, different from cron or launchd scheduling. A few of the ones I've written or reimplemented using this tool are scripts conditionally called by scripts.
I don't recall the exatct reason I did this, it might be that I had a hard time telling to run the Powershell script, or maybe it was so the script wasn't copied a bunch of times, but it runs a .bat file that passes VM name and the copy directory to the powershell script as parameters and the powershell script does the backups
Use Comment Based help in your functions! This way, if I forget, or others are using my code, they can use Powershell's built in Get-Help to get the same help documentation you get from official cmdlets. Here's an example:
Function New-ExampleFunction {
<#
.DESCRIPTION
WTF is this thing and how do i use it
.PARAMETER Name
What does adding -Name do
.PARAMETER -UseSSL
What does this mean
.PARAMETER UserFlags
The attributes desired for the account. Multiple values should be in a sub-expression - i.e. (1+2)
.EXAMPLE
This example does a thing with parameters that make no sense
New-ExampleFunction -Name artvandelay440 -UseSSL -UserFlags (64+65536)
#>
Rest of code goes here
}
Then they throw you out because why do you need such a salary for doing 1 click jobs all day?
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just never showed them because we weren't allowed to use scripts. They weren't paying me enough as it was, let alone if I had to do all that shit manually.
I once made a simple ahk that typed out passwords because the stupid website didn't let us "paste" passwords. A simple Win + v.
People see me as some kind of a super star when I get all passwords, hundreds in a day all correct and they're like "is that a 0 or an o".
Then I had to make security scripts within that script to keep the file only for my eyes.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to say our contractor just used an ice cream truck to kidnap our new hires
aloehart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Management didn't allow us to use any script that wasn't written by company Developers. Regardless of your background, phone monkeys weren't allowed to do anything but answer phone calls, use active directory users and computers, and tier-2 could access Exchange.
Windows embrace of Powershell follows their formula of the Three E's: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
They had powershell as a scripting language. They ported Powershell to linux. They invite Linux-like commands into their domain, and then say "but look what more you can do with PS!" Now they are just waiting for the final E, when they say "all these features you so desperately require for your day-to-day function? we're disabling them in Linux. Move to MS or suffer."
themoose5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Richard Stallman just died a little inside with this comment.
Ignorant question here - but when did PowerShell become so popular? I haven't really heard about until relatively recently. What is it commonly used for?
It's essentially a scripting language for windows services. Before you would use cmd. Powershell is different in that it uses a lot of modern programming tech, like object orientation.
Like if you say
Get-Service Audiosrv
You get the service Audiosrv and whether or not it's running, which is Windows Audio. But Audiosrv is also an object you can do stuff with.
It's a shell language, but more powerful, so it's Powershell.
You won't hear much about it unless you are in a IT environment who use a lot of Microsoft products.. Windows clients, servers, exchange, sharepoint, System Center etc.
Tons of Microsoft services that can all be run from powershell scripts.
Gotcha, I suppose that's why I wouldn't have used it then in my everyday life. Thanks for the answer, my dude!
cosine83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also super extensible with modules. A lot of the big software vendors have modules for Powershell so you can script out and automate stuff. Super handy!
Powershell 1.0 was out in 2006 alongside Vista. However, it's gained popularity as MS has started deprecating CLI commands in favor of wrapping them in PS. Eventually, the old-school CMD will go away entirely in favor of PS. They've also tied a number of Active Directory and Azure cloud functions to PS.
If you want to know when it really started to take off, it was probably PS 2.0 or 3.0, which were out with W7 and W8, respectively.
Here I am still using CMD like a kid with Duplo blocks. Feeling like my parents felt 10-15 years ago sucks. Kids reading this, have empathy for your parents please.
As someone who does this daily, if anyone is planning on doing IT related work on Microsoft systems and they arenโt learning Powershell they are doing it wrong.
I donโt even install the GUI on a number of our servers anymore itโs all configured via Powershell.
Not just for Microsoft services either. Last company I was at we used it for router configs to pull the variables out of a csv file and give us a txt file for each router. Other languages are designed for the network world but don't break it if it works.
Script yourself out of a job but never ever let management know.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:21:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rvf ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:37:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any sysadmin in charge of anything over a single digits worth of machines has already been scripting with something, otherwise they're either not doing their job or working harder, not smarter.
Also, another way to think about powershell is a command line that's designed to be easy to script. You don't have to write any scripts if you don't want to, just learn the basic options for most commandlets. So many people get bogged down trying learn powershell backwards (ie, learning it like a programming language) when it's better learned like most people learn bash (learn how to use the shell on an ad hoc basis, then start scripting in it).
Gequinn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:28:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya just gotta dabble a bit, buddy. Just a little daaaabble.
h87ggfgy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Times are changing. Traditional sysadmin roles won't exist as we know them soon. Adapt and learn to code or die.
koobear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true of many fields and industries.
I used to work at a company that did stuff in agriculture, climate science, ecology, earth/environmental science, etc. so we hire a lot of scientists and science majors (bio, chem, soil science, etc.). We once interviewed a guy with a soil science/agriculture background and during the interview he said something along the lines of, "I thought you were looking for a scientist, not a programmer!" We just laughed and showed him the door.
Right now I'm back in grad school and I TA a class that's taken largely by pre-med/health students, as well as bio and chem majors. This is a required class, and there's a pretty heavy programming component. Turns out you can't analyze data without learning some Python or R or Excel/VBA. Similarly, my sister's a psych major. She has to take four semesters of programming-based statistics and data analysis to graduate.
AtlasDM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:36:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People like the guy you mentioned, who can't/won't adapt, are exactly the people that are going to get replaced with automation and live the rest of their lives on welfare. The most important skill a person can have now days is adaptability. Innovation requires change, and those who can't adapt are destined to fail. In this case, adaptation required coding ability, but the concept is the same for everyone.
Any advice for learning more? I have some very very basic knowledge with powershell, and painfully built a few scripts to help add new users / update their 0365 accounts with name changes.
Very interested in learning more.
dgtlbliss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any benefit for end users to use Powershell, or just the IT Dept?
I need a Powershell class. So much untapped potential for me it's ridiculous. I look forward to finding somewhere I can take one.
JCBh9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't realize that you can learn literally everything from google? I taught myself how to 3d model in 3ds max , texture it in photoshop, animate it, and then port it to unreal by just following youtube videos.
I do realize that. But I am also going to school currently and plan to continue and would love to find a formal class in it especially one that pretains to a degree that I pursue. I don't see what is wrong with that.
memes_420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? Your uni teaches you powershell? That's kind of... shitty? Is it a thing for one class or do you have to use it consistently? We were taught bash scripting but it was one week of one course and we never had to use it again.
I might be an idiot but I worked a help desk for a while as well in the army. I automated alot of my common tasks too...but when some contractors came in one time and a lot of it got fucked up when I was on vacation for a month.
I then realized I was a rusty and lazy idiot. Sort of reminded me of taking a math class for my undergrad years well after highschool. You don't use it so you lose it. Also I wasn't using powershell since this was government stuff so maybe that was the problem.
Either way do you ever get that way after you automate too much shit and get complacent? Just curiosity.
JCBh9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
didn't know there were so many month long vacations in the army
ADOS job I worked for the guard at a Joint Operations Center for a few years when I was in.
ADOS isn't AGR as in it was not a permanent position it got renewed annually or as needed. My sixth year it got cut for funding then I got out cuz a boring as shit deployment to Kuwait was coming up.
We were emergency management. Like when wildfires happen we send out the states aviation unit with Bambi buckets or if a small towns water pump goes down we send out a 5000 gallon tanker, etc. We worked 3 days 2 days off then vice versa so everyone got two weekends off. If you were like me and stacked leave time all year because you never really needed more time off you had to burn it before the next year of orders.
I usually got a month or more off a year.
Quick edit: It was 24 hours so there were always two on duty. 7-7 each shift.
For now. Itโs still in itโs infancy, once it gets some decent integrated powershell, itโll make life much better.
_meegoo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Microsoft will ever give bash full power on Windows. At the very least because they have got PowerShell and they would rather make people use that instead of bash.
Plus, don't forget that bash uses real Linux subsystem and Linux manages things differently from Windows. And making Windows pick up whatever changes you made from Linux is nearly impossible.
Ballmerโs gone, and the Linux subsystem team is in full force. They want to eat into the Linux market, and theyโre going to integrate Linux containers. Give it a few years, theyโre pushing HARD for Linux compatibility in azure and are using bash as an entry point. They know once they get Linux sysadmins on their side in any small measure, they can take a bite out of the server market, because laptops and desktops as we know them are dying a slow death.
_meegoo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just if that (giving bash full power) ever happens you would basically get Linux distro from Microsoft with proprietary software and really weird GUI that's cosplaying real OS.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell is much much better than bash, and that should be fairly obvious considering bash has nearly no features of its own other than echo and text piping - both of which PowerShell can do as well.
I donโt think you have much experience scripting with bash or I donโt think youโd be saying that. Bash has so many features I canโt begin to list them all here, but the big ones I use all the time (many of which are included in powershell) are:
advanced variables, including dictionaries, arrays, integers, floats, etc.
while/for/if/select/case/until
the ability for scripts to take arguments
forking, and the ability to control and wait for said forks
exit code based flow control (&&/||)
comprehensive pipelining and redirection of outputs (2>&1, &>foo.txt, |, |&, etc)
compound commands and subshells
coprocesses
functions!!!
Bourne shell compatibility
This is just scratching the surface. Bash is not meant to control the entire operating system. Bash is supposed to run other programs which control the OS. This makes it so you can drop in any shell and not lose core functionality.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea these things are pretty standard, but PowerShell adds many modern things on top such as multi-dimensional arrays, being able to embed help, examples and documentation in a script or declare parameters as mandatory, native regex support and of course - object oriented by default.
The available ecosystem of cmdlets is just icing on the cake, but even without any of them available you'll see me ditch bash for PowerShell on Linux real quick.
Dictionaries (in bash since v4) are multidimensional arrays, regex is in bash (since v3), and case is generally used for help text. Documentation really should be in a standardized format (like man pages).
For object-oriented programming, youโre kinda going a bit beyond a script or shell in Linux, donโt you think?
I mean, at that point python, ruby, Java, etc make a hell of a lot more sense. If I needed to use .Net framework bits, I would use powershell then, where it makes sense, but thatโs just where the core purpose of bash and powershell diverge.
Bash is meant to be a primary interface to the operating system with scripting capabilities for automation, whereas powershell is meant more to be a .net scripting language.
Seriously. Not restricted to slow, painful text parsing? Can load and call into any. NET dll? Proper development tools? There's definitely a lot to love with PS.
Patriark ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:09:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be me, but I think PowerShell is the biggest innovation Microsoft ever did. Bringing *nix control and order to Windows is exactly what good devs needed.
motdidr ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:46:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
which is great, but it would have been nice to just become POSIX compliant at some point. they have Ubuntu on Windows now and a bash shell that's slightly more integrated than cygwin/etc which is great but damn. in true Microsoft fashion they create something that's technically as good or better about ten years late and all completely different it takes a concerted effort to learn because none of your existing knowledge can transfer.
Not sure it's ever really "better". It's usually just enough different that they can sell training and support on it.
And then it quickly degrades because they stop caring.
Vidofnir ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always tell people that PowerShell is honestly more "powerful" than bash, but it comes at a price. Whereas your POSIX-compliant systems are string-based, i.e. everything is treated as a string, PowerShell is object-oriented. Which means certain tasks that are easy in *nix, such as grepping through a log file, can be a PITA to learn in PowerShell.
Of course, that turns into more job security for those who learn it!
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Select-String "ERROR" .\errorlog.log isn't exactly hard to use, and it even gives you the line number of the result(s)
HeKis4 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few things are actually better than what it is supposed to implement, ie. the Verb-Noun thing.
Even if the Capitals-After-Hyphens-And-on-First-Word can go die in a hole, but that's just my opinion.
jantari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell isn't case-sensitive so that doesn't matter. You can write gEt-SeRvIcE if you want.
motdidr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's at least nice enough to not require that, even if it's the proper way to do it
Except Powershell is cross-platform and open source now so there's no putting the genie back in that bottle. It will continue to get better and better and better.
I messed up so bad that Windows just stopped updating properly, failing every single one.
That's why I went with a normal "uninstall", because I don't trust myself with regedit.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:31:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just so that you know, you can export registry entries as reg files before you modify them so if something goes wrong, you can restore it with a double click. Also, most things that you would need to modify would be in your user specific section of regedit. If you stick to just playing around with your user specific values and screw something up too badly, is as easy to fix as making a new user account and removing the old one.
Hey Microsoft, that's some nice developer apps you have. Hey Microsoft, stop trying to force your developed apps on me.
mezz1945 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whats the difference between Powershell and CMD though?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell adds a bunch of features that made bash more user-friendly to windows and it is able to connect with online services such as azure AD. There's a lot more but those are the two big changes I saw. Oh also the background is blue.
mezz1945 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So CMD is basically useless now or did you oversimplify?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically useless now, but it's not completely dead. For many things the simpler command interface is faster to use. Powershell also tends to be a little slow on low powered systems. I use both at work depending on what I'm doing.
cmd is a bit lighter weight and faster but is significantly less feature rich.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see Windows users finally catching up to Unix from the 1980s :p
BetaSoul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad we've been using it as an exploit vector at work. People NEVER secure or patch it.
shorey66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do all versions of win10 have PowerShell. I have home edition abd couldn't find it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it might be hidden in Windows accessories, open the start menu and just type "powershell"
JCBh9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this guy has used any windows since 8
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What
Vidofnir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen. I make a decent living through PowerShell, and a little Python, administering and developing my team's Azure environment.
The other admins at my last job were all point'n'click. They used to go on about their years of experience when I'd suggest trying to automate process X or script task Y. I was new to the industry, not worth listening to.
They're still there, pointing and clicking, making half of what I make now.
Vlyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say safer.. tried to deactivate a Windows app, Powershell had a function that rebuilt the app index (Or whatever it's called), it pulled the wrong index and screwed the entire Windows app store over (As in everything was fully broken, even after around 10 hours of fiddling around I couldn't get it repaired). I lived without the apps then (The only thing that really bugged me was no calc..).
How did this happen? I followed a guide to deactivate one of the packages to the letter, the index that was automatically used during the rebuild was from an older version (Problem with the Windows update maybe?) and when the whole app store is broken it's not trivial to repair it again (The repair usually involves rebuilding the index.. which you still have the wrong version of and can't get a newer one with normal Windows updates, lol).
A large anniversary update months later fixed it again, but without that the only thing to repair it would have been a reinstall :-/
In one of the windows 10 recent builds they just changed which comes up by default when you invoke a command prompt. Applications can still invoke the old command prompt if needed.
It also doesn't appear to have affected older versions of windows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you kinda-technically can....you can execute some (all? Dunno) CMD commands from the WSL prompt.
b1ack1323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can but they are not actually child processes of WSL, they become their own process. So in a linux you would hit Ctrl C to kill a foreground child process, if you do it in WSL then it will just give you the foreground. The process is actually started externally and is it's own thing. Like running notepad.exe it will start and stay running after close wsl.
If it's so powerful then how come i keep getting this error lmao.
Get-AppxPackage : The term 'Get-AppxPackage' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or
operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try
again.
At line:1 char:1
+ Get-AppxPackage SurfaceHub | Remove-AppxPackage
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+ CategoryInfo : ObjectNotFound: (Get-AppxPackage:String) [], CommandNotFoundException
+ FullyQualifiedErrorId : CommandNotFoundException
As others have said, the two aren't compatible really. Different functions.
You can do EVERYTHING with PS (including edit the registry). There are newer versions of windows server where the gui is nothing more than a CMD prompt which you then use to open powershell and administer the system from there.
PS isn't the new regedit, its a scripting interface that is the new/alternative everything.
KverEU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you know your way around there is barely anything you can't alter without powershell, especially if you know your way around .Net. Hell, you can even run your website in it if you run it on a Windows server.
pschart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus itโs fun to pronounce it โWindows Powers Hellโ.
Continually updated by MS to add more functionality, is a scripting alternative to just about every administrative change you make in your computer. Allows for more automation and speeding up of repetitive, time consuming processes. Like standing up new servers, or managing active directory, etc etc.
cosine83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been that for several years now. PowerShell blows batch scripting out the water.
What's the difference between power shell and command prompt?
samyel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell is basically an upgraded version of the command prompt, with way more functionality. They're kept separate because some of the commands have been changed such that old batch scripts wouldn't function correctly in powershell.
Not at all. That doesn't really make sense. That's like calling tacos the new cheesesteak. For one thing, cheesesteak still exists and is commonly used for eating meat and cheese together, and for another while you can certainly use a taco for eating meat and cheese together that doesn't make it just the latest iteration of a cheesesteak.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you understand remarkably little about Windows.
Crownlol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With integration of IoT and eye tracking, this wouldn't even be hard to do now.
Just think about how much power utilities companies have over local legislation. As pollution gets worse, it's not unreasonable to believe that power utilities could force a monopoly on home air filtration systems. Then it's simply a matter of integrating with your Nest or Alexa and tracking your focus. Since your contract includes only some free clean air time, you'll need to pay extra for the rest of watch ads. Luckily, your pcs and tvs are all linked anyway! Just turn your eyes to any screen in your home for 3 minutes, and your clean air will turn right back on!
Coppeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Entirely? If grocery stores start making people dance at the register for affordable prices, and the people who want groceries comply because it's easier than going without them, then it's entirely their fault?
Not even a smidgen of fault goes to the guys who invented and implemented the concept in a way that best presses or coerces the consumers into complying? Not a teensy weensy bit?
perogies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're equating the necessity of eating with playing video games. Probably not the best example but i understand what you're saying. If we understand that we live in a capitalistic society then is it really their fault for inventing a way to make more money? Or is it on us as consumers to put our foot down and say no, we aren't going to pay that. I think the fault goes both ways.
Faults definitely goes both ways. Although the analogy does compare to a necessity of life, buying games is a necessity of gaming. So as long as the debate is about people gaming, then it shouldn't hurt the logic.
perogies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are still plenty of games that don't have those micro transactions though. No ones making you play them.
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually I am... forcing everyone to play them I mean
PadaV4 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 13:21:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
greed
DeeDoubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part is if you go and install the Windows 7 versions of the default Windows games (Solitaire, Spider, Freecell, Minesweeper, Hearts, Purble Place, etc), every time you have a major update Windows will uninstall them for no obvious reason.
SmaMan788 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming soon! Unlock a new, random card back with our new Solitaire Loot Boxes! Only $4.99 in the Windows Store! Pre-order today and get survival mode free*!
The most disgusting part is that you can literally buy a pack of cards for cheaper (assuming you don't have 5 laying around your house already). Just push your keyboard aside and you have plenty of room to play too. And the set up time with a shuffled deck is less than 3 minutes (regularly played it during the breaks at school so I know from experience). I don't know about you lot but last I check 3 minutes of my time isn't worth $1.50.
And that is of course ignoring the 5000 versions you can find online. It's just pathetic.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 13:38:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and when you win you have to pick all the cards up off the ground after flicking them everywhere. Not worth it.
You think your boss doesn't know? Cute. Most bosses just chose not to mention it if you don't do it in plain sight. To much of a waste of their time if you already know that it's wrong. It's not like warning you about it will make you stop.
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, I wish. Although I doubt I could handle the stress. No, I'm merely experienced at wasting time and telling my boss it straight to her face. As long as my boss doesn't get into trouble because of it, she lets me take all the breaks I need to stay productive. After all, I do my work correctly. She has better things to do than waste her time telling me to get back to work.
If you play 100 in a month you need to either look for a better job or find a better way to kill time. Or you can just use one of those 5000 alternatives I mentioned.
The moment I upgraded to Win10 I went and saw that mess of solitaire, ten minutes later I was already downloading an installer for the win7 games, apparently they made such installer for Win8 and it still works in 10.
photenth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:52:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only ad filled if you use any online services like daily challenges or if you want specifically "solvable" cases.
quimicita ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh christ, I just opened solitaire on my laptop to tell you you're wrong and not only is there an ad showing as soon as I have opened the app, but it also opened a new tab in chrome to try to get me to buy solitaire. What kind of brain-damaged baboon would pay money for solitaire, anyway?
I guess I should count myself lucky that it didn't open IE.
photenth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:58:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saying there is a full version for itself is now considered an ad? Would you consider calling any shareware as ad filled?
quimicita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, when you're watching cable TV and you see an ad for the cable TV provider who you're already paying so you can watch that ad--is that an ad or no?
Second of all, it's not like it's just a banner or image or gif somewhere on the menu. It's a pop-up. I didn't even bother closing the pop-up ad to see if there were other ads on the menu itself.
Third of all, all I did was open the solitaire app. I clicked on nothing within the app itself and it opened a fucking browser app just to serve me a second ad. It's not like the fact that it was an ad for the same thing as the in-app pop-up ad changes anything about the solitaire app producing multiple pop-up ads as punishment for clicking on it in the start menu.
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On behalf of my mother, who had been complaining about this since she upgraded, thank you!!! Now I just need to find a working version of her old civilization game lol.
BullRob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure at the moment (late here and she is on another country) but I do need to find out. Pretty old though. Before multiplayer/online. She actually signed up for steam herself to try the newer one (she is in her 70s!) but I don't think she enjoys it anywhere near as much.
break4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must have been wrong about that, she just never played multiplayer. It was Version 3 and 4 that she was after, not sure why I never got them working properly, but GoG looks like a really good option and super cheap too.. told her just to go with that option as it should work without me having to help too much. Thanks /u/dbzlotrfan and others!
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:22:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh no. it's retarded.
photenth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:53:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you use any online services like daily challenges or if you specifically want solvable set ups. You can still play normal games without seeing a single ad.
Except one big problem. You have to have the Xbox app to play Microsoft games now. I downloaded the forza 7 demo the others day and it took me a bit to figure out why it wouldn't leave the home screen. It was trying to call up Xbox live to sign in.
It depends on your goals and the way that company will handle it. Worst case scenario is that those pirates will end up boosting sales by talking about it and sharing clips from it, and then that company will invest in DRM in hopes to translate those pirates into paying customers.
I personally prefer moving time and money to companies not doing it in the first place. It shows other companies how to handle it and possibly avoid working with them to begin with.
Simply working around bad practices just let's them try again later. Microsoft is one of the top dogs when it comes to introducing anti consumer/competitive practices.
On PC, we have thousands and thousands of good games on our fingertips.
ddosn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is one of the top dogs when it comes to introducing anti consumer/competitive practices.
It used to be. Its nowhere near as bad these days.
Many people keep saying that they are completely new company, but I don't see why that would be. Apparently Microsoft has bullied some companies with patents and their moves tightening down Windows ecosystem doesn't exactly show their good will.
Right. Every developer should have to code or import the same library over and over again to do something the OS developer could do globally.
Fucking MS.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the same library
In this case, it's not just a "library". A library sits there being quiet until it's called, Xbox live app pops up every fucking time a game is launched and I'll be glad to see it leave me
djpokeboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except a library doesn't try to interfere with other games, occasionally ruining your framerate and generally get in your way when you don't want it. The Xbox App is bloatware.
ddosn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had it do that.
Do you get Xbox app pop ups? I never have and I'm surious as to how its screwing with games. Does it only effect games running through the app?
I don't because I've removed it completely. It's quite a common issue for it to interfere with games and for a while it was actually locking a lot of games to 30fps or 60fps, even if the game is launched through steam.
If you launch CSGO for example with the xbox app still on your system, it'll warn you that you need to disable it or it'll try to interfere with your framerate.
xtr0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few preinstalled apps that have Xbox in the name. You need the Xbox IDP to log into your Xbox live account and verify that you own the game. People do the power shell scripts to remove the Xbox app and use an overly broad regular expression and end up removing the IDP as well.
Troutt025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what should I mark out to keep the Xbox app I need to play Microsoft games? I don't see anything in the remove apps section specifically calling to the Xbox app.
It's probably there, I'm just not very well versed in the names it uses.
Ruggsii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the Xbox app because I can press a binding to record the last 30 seconds of gameplay on any app
imrys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately I work on Linux now but I recently saw an email floating about hinting that everyone needs to be on Windows with certain software install...send help.
Saved this post as it is going to save me a lot of time if they make me go back.
Skrity ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 12:45:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was 10.6, yea, but they also started shipping with Intel based hardware vs the PPC whatever they had been using previously which is what I think allowed MBP to natively run Windows.
Yeah I'm pretty sure 10.5 was the last version of OS X that supported PPC application so it would make sense that boot camp came out in 10.6 (I could be wrong about 10.5 supporting PPC)
Also tangentially related I have an OS 9 install disc. Not OS X 9, OS 9. It's probably older than me. My keyboard is also older than me, an Apple Extended 1 with salmon alps from the 1980s
_arc360_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm trying to just try it out. I insert my USB, EFI boot to it, I get to the try/install/something else install/something else. I hit try and the screen goes black and stays like that
Pretty sure that support is the bigger problem. There is only so much that wine can do to help. After that point, it's either using a vm or dual booting.
Xavia11 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 13:13:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Ladies and Gentlemen, prepare yourselves for the most brutal fight of the century... It's LINUX VERSUS WINDOWS!!!"
Cheering
"In this corner we have the Master of the Kernel, the Scoundrel of the Hard Drive, the King of the Ring himself, LINUX
Crowd goes wild
"And in this corner the Pioneer, the Prince of Power, the Price Printer... ITTT'S WINDOWS!!!"
Crowd starts foaming at the mouth
"Alright fans, ARE YOU READY?!"
Crowd starts throwing their children into the ring
"THEN IT'S TIME TO DUEL BOOT!"
Linux and Windows step into the ring as the crowd starts relentlessly beating each other senseless. Windows immediately trips over his shoes that he tied together earlier
"I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! LINUX TAKES HIM DOWN WITHOUT THROWING A SINGLE PUNCH! THIS IS AMAZING FOLKS! SOMEBODY GET WINDOWS AN ICE PACK!!"
The crowd, disappointed over the short match, much like my girlfriend is disappointed over other short things, promptly sets the building on fire in anger
The (average) user is stupid. My grandma doesn't need to be able to change every single little thing. In a school you can easily connect all the computers. If you want to tinker with things you can. An application named Onyx can change a lot of different things. But if you allow users to do what ever they want with no restriction they will fuck something up and then because apple has things like apple care and support they would have to fix a ton more problems the user crated.
Not everyone can compile a kernal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've used OS X my entire life and even as someone who is more technically inclinied than the average bear haven't needed any more customization than I need. Filesystem nav is easy, there's nothing wrong with it (well, except being slow sometimes but that's because of my computer being 10 years old). Also, you don't get the point of hyperboles
Windows has the same flaws. The one that doesn't suffer from evil selfish corporations is Linux.
Mac sucks in many ways, Windows sucks in many ways, Linux sucks in a few critical ways (low games/low users), but only Linux has problems that are fixable (fixed by more people and more games). Windows and Mac will never be "fixed" because Microsoft and Apple will never give up their control over them.
Not entirely, it's also the company with a history of questionable ethics and an arrogant dismissal over much of the constructive criticism they receive that is a problem as well.
itchy118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you can only officially run it on Mac hardware.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:50:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:54:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried that. Windows updated itself to anniversary edition and wiped my Linux partition even though it wasn't allowed to. I uninstalled windows at that point.
Unfortunately it isnt for that reason. Its for corporation bullshit, with anti virus and all that crap.
Flat out refusing to go on windows, I'll install a windows VM if they need me to but im not leaving Linux
jambox888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the best person to ask, but if you have a system than can do 60fps in normal Windows unless you juuussst get 60fps or you're doing a lot of other things you should be fine
I have a gtx 970 and a 4790k and the frame drop (after a lot of tinkering) is about 3-5% or 3-5 frames of 100fps. The key here is you need a slightly better CPU and your MB must support IOMMU (usually called vt-d in Intel supported bios) or the AMD equivalent.
If the game is CPU heavy you may notice a higher frame drop, but usually these games on a high end PC are in the 100s of frames anyway.
redshores ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah sorry, that was my old setup but for my personal PC. At work im on Linux, at home I am not. But I will be moving over soon.
A friend of mine did have some major performance issues with SLI on Linux to the point he just went back to windows. Not sure how that works with the newer cards though
And PowerShell runs natively in Linux now. Microsoft is the top open source contributer on GitHub and has actively submitted code for the Linux kernel. We live in strange times.
MrPatch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:58:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ms SQL on Linux.
I can't get my head round it all.
I wasn't aware that posh was on Linux though
mwzzhang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ms SQL on Linux.
If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won.
i kind of have to recommend Sway as well. it's a little esoteric to get what it does but when you check out the examples, you figure out some places to use it yourself depending on what you do. I find it a great replacement for most of the PDFs and complex webpages people request of me. few clicks and boom, no more powerpoints, pdfs or overly complex webpages that don't do much.
Anhydrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they have the Windows Office suite then the One Note in there has a few more features I believe than the free version.
maazer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
crappy windows tile app vs full version my best guess
Works fine for our purposes, but we're pretty small.
quimicita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OneNote is one of the best thing MS has put out.
That's not saying much. OneNote crashes on a near-daily basis for me and I can't switch between the desktop and non-desktop(???) versions of the app even on the same computer (let alone switching computers) because it takes (apparently) infinite time to sync a pdf to the cloud.
StSomaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine never crashes and can use my cellphone / pc / laptop with little delay
Tobias_Z ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:43:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use MS's drive. I keep my OneNote in dropbox and that seems to work really well.
I just learned we had this with our Enterprise license. So great.
mdmarra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LTSB is not meant for โgeneral purpose computersโ and is missing a lot of features. Itโs meant for things like powering an assembly line or medical equipment.
More specifically, it doesn't have Edge, Cortana, Store, or any other Modern apps except the Settings app. Besides that and the fact that it will not auto-upgrade, it's basically the same thing as RTM.
I think they didn't go far enough. I have LTSB at work and I had to completely disable auto updates as it would still auto reboot despite a group policy telling it not to.
LTSB is pretty close to a good desktop OS, but the idea of putting it on medical equipment as some others suggested is insane.
Yes, we are going to use it for our call center machines. So this is exactly what we want. Just the essentials with as much lockdown as possible. Our users in the rest of our company get the full Win10 experience with a few of the aforementioned Powershell tweaks.
cosine83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If those call center computers are using Office and other general purpose software, Microsoft will not support you on issues with it on those devices. It's meant for things like ATMs and kiosks.
There's online tutorials to disable it and prevent the processes from starting, once that's done you take ownership of the directories where the files exist, and delete them.
Just hit you Windows key and start typing "powershell" a few things will come up, you'll want the one that just says "Windows PowerShell" It looks like CMD, only blue.
I suppose. God knows what other components are going out the window with some of these things.
Some of them are silly, too. Getting rid of Drawboard means your company has to put PDF software on all their machines to replace what was already there, for example. If you're doing that already then it makes sense, of course, just playing devil's advocate.
I guess I just don't care much about it, given that the computers I deploy here are i7s with 12GB of RAM.
VegasQC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jaw drops thank you!!
blokeski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:40:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only replying so I can do this when I get home!
_blip_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me 2 thx
Meior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All this crap comes preinstalled on your Windows? Where are you located in the world?
Is there by chance some kind of script for windows 10 to automatically remove everything bloatware related? Like when I do a clean install of windows everything is full of crap, even the start menu with solitaire, candycrush,...
Croakie89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for this
Naso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kovaelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zune? Really? It's one thing to package stuff they actually want people to use, but it's a whole other level of stupid to push stuff you don't even support anymore... and yet another level for things you actively pull features from (e.g. messaging).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zune
If Groove Music is Zune, that's the worst Zune player ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should work, but I don't have PS. The basic idea is to make an array of package names and pipe them to a foreach, then use the package name variable in the get-apppxpackage line.
Retroagv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorry to be a nuisance but I put this in on powershell and nothing happened? is it all done in the background? or is it just possible that I already removed everything?
McBurger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God bless your soul. My employer has yet to switch over to Win10. However I have it at home because they forced it upon me. This will help me so much.
efxhoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's up with the case? get-appxpackage Vs Get-AppxPackage, are they the same?
SDM102030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My work keeps pushing out updates using software center. They are just Windows updates I could do on my own. Thing is for some reason on software center they always fail and while they are "installing" my disk usage goes up to 100% and my computer is crippled till the install inevitably fails. This is a brand new laptop too.
Would I be able to this powershell stuff with software center? I feel like software center doesn't always display in programs rather I think its a service. Will this work for services? I've disabled it before and it re-enabled itself.
Software Center? Are you talking about System Center? If so, don't try to disable it yourself, instead bring the fact that your updates are failing to IT's attention, and let them handle it from there. They'll be able to either fix the issues, or reimage the machine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
quick tip fellas, you don't have to do it one by one, Copy everything, open power shell, right click on the blinking cursor thing. You should be good to go.
You may also need to disable automatic updating in the Windows Store as well. It's become a huge pain in the ass at work; every update, bloat gets installed.
We also use two Powershell scripts at work, one to remove all of the apps except for Windows Store and Calculator and the other to prevent the other apps from being reinstalled:
To remove all the apps except Windows Store and Calculator:
You can also use wildcards... so you can remove all that bing or zune stuff with just:
get-appxpackage *bing* | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage *zune* | remove-appxpackage
Honestly, there should be an official pcmasterrace Windows 10 clean up script that removes all bloatware and disables the most annoying parts of Windows 10
velogeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Script it to look for the application on boot then delete it found. Adds a fraction of a second to the load time and they'll be gone every time you start up the system.
Lee1138 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:43:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if valid still, but it was when I got Win10. Disable the Xbox overlay BEFORE you uninstall the app, otherwise the Win+G button stays active for some reason.
Wait, I tried it with skypeapp and it literally does nothing. No message,skype still works. It's strange.
jelimoore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need asterisks around all of them. They donโt show up in reddit formatting very well, so Iโll try to do it here:
Get-AppxPackage *zune* | Remove-AppxPackage
If you see the backslashes remove them from the command. Also make sure to be in elevated powershell window (search powershell, then control-shift-enter to launch it and it will ask to elevate)
Thanks I'm definitely going to explore that later!
leonffs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The term 'Get-AppxPackage' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or oper
the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.
What do?
antricfer ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 12:29:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL please? I'm fairly tech wise but this is above my skills. What is powershell and how do you open it? Thanks
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:32:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
antricfer ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 12:40:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant as a user, English is my second language so I don't have the patience or time to go through long wiki articles which usually translates into 2 or 3 simple steps. But thanks for your reply anyway.
Hey, sorry for the rude responses you've gotten. To answer your question, powershell is a "command line" tool that is found on all Windows machines. All this means is that you can open a window, type a few commands, and have it take care of all sorts of complicated tasks for you. It's extremely powerful, and even dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
You can find it by searching for powershell in your start menu. In some cases, you'll have to run the commands as an elevated user. To do this, right click the powershell icon and select "run as administrator". The commands above might need to be run as an administrator, but try it first and only elevate if you need to. Good luck!
antricfer ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 13:05:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True pcmr spirit, thank you for your answer.
IGSRJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have windows 10 with the Creator's update, powershell has replaced command prompt in the win+x menu, also accessible by right clicking the start button.
Its a command line interface (CLI) with Windows specific commands. Other popular CLI tools are cmd and bash
All you need to do to execute the commands is open the windows search (Windows key + s) and type the word "Powershell" into the search box
A blue window will open. Copy the first line from the list of commands, paste, and hit enter. Some text will show up in multiple colors, some of it will say exception and whatnot but ignore that for now. Check if the app is still installed.
Do that for each app you want uninstalled, or there is a single command you can run to uninstall ALL of them at once
antricfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
MrPatch ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:49:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy was a dick, but searching for powershell on Portuguese Google led to a ton of results. It's always useful to check your native language for useful results.
antricfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:52 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest never occurred to me looking for powershell in Portuguese but I'm there now.
Birmm ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:48:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
English is my second language
Mine is too, I'm self-taught (in part by reading long ass articles on wiki and other places). There is so much information that doesn't exist in my native language that I just had to learn it.
antricfer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:06:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I try to do that too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
English is my first language but I'm thick as pig shit.
tripbin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive never used powershell before. so after pasting just hit enter like command prompt? and is there any confirmation because when I hit enter it just moves to a new line of C:\Users
This seems like really useful knowledge. I saw somewhere else "regedit" which i take to mean registry edit. I'm assuming this is a program that let's you have more direct control over the status of any given program? Can a noob operate this without fucking everything up? There's programs I'm plagued with, but I'm really only on the level of googling an error code.
Pardon my ignorance but where can I find this/these, in order to do this. Both my aging desktop and newer laptop could use a solid purge. Thanks so much in advance!
It's Windows cmd, with the addition of being able to utilize a scripting language.
Eswercaj ยท 3084 points ยท Posted at 12:26:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A trend in PCs that I absolutely abhor is the developers consistently thinking they know best how the user wants to use their product.
GHDpro ยท 933 points ยท Posted at 13:13:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest issue related to that is desktop icons. So many installers just smack their icon on the desktop without asking or giving you the option to opt-out.
Now from a developers perspective putting the icon on the desktop might make your app easier to find. Well it is not going to be eaiser to find in the huge sea of icons if every fucking app did that (and/or I didn't "clean up" afterward).
Software developers: if you want to give users the option of putting an icon on the desktop, make it an option that preferably is disabled by default. I know how to fucking use the start menu, thank you.
/rant
Lorevi ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 13:28:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hid my desktop icons because of this. I can find programs a lot easier with the start menu than a mess of icons. And as a bonus you get to actually see your wallpaper.
My desktop is completely blank including no recycle bin. I use it for temporary note files or quick exports. Anything that Iโll delete within a week. It really functions like a physical desktop that way
similar, and theres a stupid bug with the folder selectors when you got too many items on desktop preventing you from selecting folders outside your documents folder.
also: stardock fences ftw, items are strictly confined to areas due to that
It's not perfect, I'm not sure about resource hogging (i'm blessed with a decently well-endowed PC). It has some wee bugs, but it's very nicely customizable and helps me keep my desktop clean.
I run it on my desktop and my laptop, it works well for me on both machines. The laptop is a bit slower, but thatโs to be expected. Havenโt found too many bugs, but it is fairly particular about adding icons to fences. Dragging an icon into a folder shouldnโt bring up the drag-onto-to-open command.
If you wanna talk about buggy Windows customization software though, donโt forget about Tile Iconify. Fucked up my start menu and Microsoft Office no longer pins with the MS-implemented custom tiles, itโs my theme color behind the logo.
Love me some Fences. Excluding my inability to sort things, everything I frequently access is on my desktop in nice, neat docks at the top of my screen
It should definitely be something that's in Windows. Fences would help get rid of those god awful desktops filled with tons of icons by still having them on the desktop and quickly accessible, but still putting them into "folders" by topic, type, whatever.
I actually used rainmeter, but due to the sheer number of icons i always have on my desktop, having them customised doesn't change the massive clusterfuck that my desktop becomes.
I use fences to hide rubbish that "i may eventually need".
Same way I do it. I do hear good things about fences, but I'm not paying for software I don't need. I used to use launchy and rainmeter and all kinds of fancy stuff, but now I just have a plain desktop and use pin to start and search for everything.
I have an SSD and a regular drive. I set all the user profile folders to the HDD, and the only thing tied to the SSD is the /Desktop folder, which ends up working really nicely.
I also do exports straight to my desktop, it's my "work area".
Yep! I export a lot of audio samples so I usually have scraps on my desktop. I store the Documents library on a separate drive too since it gets so cluttered with junk that auto-installs to that location. Then I have a second library called Nocuments for...you know, actual documents.
My desktop stays blank unless I'm working on something. If it's very temporary (t<1 day), I'll put the file on the desktop; if it's not as temporary (like a term paper), I'll put the file in its proper location and put a shortcut to it on the desktop.
oppilonus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine's like my actual desk: full of things I tell myself I'll put away soon.
Macs come with a boatload of preinstalled programs that most people don't need and will never use. They don't slow your system down but they do take up space.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:33:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
itunes pops up every time you hit the media keys. i have nuked itunes on every mac i've ever owned.
AB6Daf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Xbox is also annoying with its notifications every time you start a game.
Opens HunieCam or whatever it's called
Press win and g to start recording!
4thepower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:19 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm gonna go with Edge for the โmost obnoxiousโ award. It tries to stop you from changing your default browser every step of the way and even after that some Microsoft services will launch pages in Edge. Donโt forget the notifications about โtry Edgeโ.
_cortex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst is OneDrive, which even opens a big window randomly to ask you to upgrade
I've disabled it for startup on this computer at least 5-6 times already. Every so often I still see the message "Sign in to One Drive now!". Glad I found this thread so I could nuke it completely
Falme127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I frequently get emails saying my OneDrive is full. I never said I wanted your shitty service Microsoft. Nor have I ever put anything on my OneDrive, it just automatically puts shit on there... sometimes I miss OS X.
B3yondL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a boatload of preinstalled programs that are awesome. Document/presentation/spreadsheet software, audio/video editors, built in maps, global right click dictionary, screen recording, PDF editor and easy text messaging/taking phone calls on your computer matter to a lot of people.
It's fine if you're into that kind of thing. And it's nice that it's all free for sure. Some of us prefer not to have a bunch of pre-loaded stuff tho.
Falme127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they come with utilities and stuff that should be on a computer by default. It isnโt shoved in your face the way ms does it.
Dr_Yay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:55 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them are installed with the hardware and don't come with the OS, so they don't return if the OS is reinstalled
Which actually kinda sucks for some programs like GarageBand which you have to purchase afterwards...
oligobop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... being spammed by appstore to update without a way to tell it shut up makes it bloat ware, but it's a minor inconvenience. Otherwise the OS is fine imo.
Isn't that like like saying Windows Update is bloatware? Not sure if Linux does this. Maybe it is bloatware with windows too. Personally I don't mind the update notifs
oligobop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that like like saying Windows Update is bloatware
precisely. Same shit. Just because they made the OS doesn't mean they aren't spamming the shit out of you. Windows just went one step further and made it so your updates must complete where apple still gives you the option, though you will be pestered indefinitely.
Linux doesn't force updates. I think they on Ubuntu you can get notifications for updates, and also auto-update certain programs, but it's easy to disable. Generally whenever I want to update, I use "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade". Of course I could have it done for me, but I prefer it this way.
Some updates do install. Some don't. I believe it's the updates to pre-installed apps that are available on the store that require an account with credit card information.
So you use garage band regularly? What about handbreak or iMovie?
irich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use iMovie quite a lot. It's a neat app for what it does. Garage Band, not anymore no. Handbrake isn't a default app on Macs. It's not even made by Apple and has Windows and Linux versions as well.
Interesting. My Mac came with handbreak so I thought it was a default app.
lappro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't an issue for the same reason that isn't an issue with mac.
Microsoft keeps Windows about as bloat free as Apple does with Mac. The shit you usually see is from shitty OEMs like Acer and Lenovo.
I wouldn't like to see MS use the same solution as Apple: Not allowing OEMs, which is one reason windows PCs are more affordable and reasonably priced.
ddicori ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:28:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been on both sides of this PC/Mac thing and Iโll be honest. Both have their serious upsides. One isnโt โbetter,โ just seriously different
ddicori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:54 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If not properly maintained, they are
B3yondL ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:59:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might sound fan boyish but macOS, on a software level ignoring the hardware it is bound to, pretty much does everything better than Windows. The only shortfall of macOS is the lack of third party software and 95% of that is basically in the games category.
I honestly can't think of one thing Windows does better than macOS other than that.
A native volume mixer and managing multiple audio devices. That's literally it.
Kleivonen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MS wins in terms of managing at an enterprise scale.
Luriker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alfred 3 is a thousand times better than Spotlight. I used Spotlight to open every app so that I moved from the keyboard to the trackpad less, but with Alfred I can get a ton done without opening an actual app AND get to all my apps and files as easily as Spotlight does.
Is there a version of it for windows? Spotlight is the only reason I miss Mac right now.
Luriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is not. It's a niche type of software called an "App Launcher," and there's a few others on macOS out there. There's some other options on Windows apparently
Persinally I find the fuckin macbook search bar completely useless. It freezes for half a fuckin hour trying to find anything, and ends up finding some random ass text file. Fuck macs, good thing I didn't have to buy mine.
Sorry, I'm kinda pissed.
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Administrative Tools\Services
Right click "Windows Search", set startup type to "Disabled", Click, "Stop", "Apply", "OK".
Keep in mind that it's also annoying as hell to reference casually; telling someone to "just click Everything and look for it there" or "have you tried using Everything?" is sure to bring wtf does that even mean? looks from the person you're talking to.
zoomer296 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:09 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It took me nineteen years, twenty virtual machines, a fuckton of hard drives, and a few billion dollars, but I finally did it. I've installed everything.
Use Everything. A little resource heavy but its a beast file searcher. Not great at finding applications specifically. But need that one log file that nester 97 folders deep? .2 seconds later and you found it
Qadamir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe try Everything Search and Launchy? I use those programs daily and hardly ever touch Windows Search.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use fences, makes my desktop clean and I can find stuff when I want to.
I use the program fences. I have like 17 icons visible spread around my desktop in a random pattern I like and the rest of the icons I used that I keep on desktop are inside the fence folder thing and all I have to do is scroll down while hovering over the fence.
Also when you first get fences the fence is a visible box but you can also make it invisible. Really helpful tool. Another thing is, which this may be default windows 10, if you double click it hides all your icons
I actually haven't owned a computer in about... 6 years? But when i did i just had a few amount of folders with folders inside neatly labeled and just used the keyboard for exploring them, as in typing the 1-3 letters the folder started with. But in the end thats basically the same as using the Windows button then searching.
Holy shit i just realized i have no idea how new operating systems even look.
Try Everything. I find it to work so much better than Windows search. I also use Launchy and can pass search terms through it, so I don't even need to launch Everything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kill Explorer, because it's what paints the nag to buy a license. If you drag the start menu over to the left before killing Explorer you will have most of your screen real estate available when apps are maximized. You can run apps from Task Manager, and of course file managers. I haven't settled on an ideal launcher (a lot of them require Explorer). I may just write my own (minimal) launcher.
Thanks for the good idea. I always navigate to the Desktop folder anyway when I want to open something.
Thardor ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 13:36:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree it should be an option, as a dev I think it should still be default to be created. I would make it a very obvious window to disable, but youโd be surprised how many people donโt use anything BUT desktop icons. Iโd rather have everyone be able to see it while allowing those who donโt want to see it to disable it rather than alienate a select group of users because of a simple change during installation.
I have 24, most of which are games, which honestly I could probably just use GOG Galaxy if I really didn't want icons.
I have one Japanese VN I play which has no icon. I could probably make one, but I just go through file explorer. The only reason I have it that way is it was never translated and it just works better that way. It's more inconvenient for me to go through it that way.
When I am done with my games I uninstall them and remove the icons.
I seriously don't know how you'd flood your desktop with icons. Most people don't use that many programs. My quick launch gets far more use than anything else, and consists of file explorer, foobar2000, firefox, chrome and skype.
Many windows users will not be able to run a program if a desktop icon does not exist. If you delete the icon they will believe that the program no longer exists. They do not know how to open a file explorer window. They do not know what a folder is.
If you guys stopped auto adding icons then people would actually learn how to use their computers. The user is only as smart as effort + result. The more you hand hold for them, the less effort it takes, which means the user stays dumber for other operations on their computer.
Thardor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:57:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize not everyone embodies this sub? My 85 year old grandparents and 55-60 year old parents donโt want to change what they do. They want to do what theyโve done for 20 years and not worry about it.
Adding effort to a process is literally the opposite of everything an engineer is trained do. If I was told to add effort to the consumerโs side at work Iโd probably ask my boss if he was crazy or being blackmailed by the competition.
Yes, I do realize that. Do you realize that your 85 year old grandparent gets taken advantage of by scammers because we make things so easy for them they never have to learn how their computers actually work? By helping them to turn off their brain when they use their computer you teach them to turn off their brain when using a computer.
Thardor ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:27:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on, are you truly comparing using the windows search bar to not falling prey to social engineering scams?
At my company, in the building I work in alone, there are 1800-2000 professionals in the IT field, and there are consistently people who are tricked by the phishing emails infosec sends out to test whether or not employees will click them. That is, out of 1800 college graduates who work in a technical field, on computers for 8 hours a day, there are still quite a few who get tricked.
I use fences to organise my desktop and hide it when I don't want it. I got it in a humble a while ago, and I wouldn't necessarily recommend it at it's current price but still check it out.
Kraivo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recently I realized, I don't need them at all. Everything I need is instantly being found at the start menu
Lol, i see a lot of people agreeing with you, i like the old style start menu, where the only thing people searched was "control panel"? Yeah that type of stuff.. i legit tell apps and programs NOT to create a start menu folder, then i have 2 things on the desktop, a folder named "Shortcuts" and my recycle bin..
ajc1239 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got all my icons in a small corner on my second monitor. The default location for new ones, though, is top left of my main monitor. Makes it really easy to spot new ones I never wanted and delete them
hellol111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to be able to use rainmeter so that I could have a nicer looking desktop. I'm considering using honeycomb for now and switching to something a little fancier when I have more experience.
I've assisted elderly users who can't even navigate to different websites without desktop icons. They are literally unable to learn another way to start an application. If it isn't on their desktop it might as well not exist.
That's not the worst, the worst is apps that you uninstall, but they leave their garbage behind instead of cleaning up after themselves.
A desktop icon is easily deleted. Deleting all references to an uninstalled program is also easy, but tedious faff that should not need to even exist in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes is the worst at this and I thought I was alone in feeling frustrated by it.
Every time it updates itself, it forces an icon onto the desktop. I keep a pin of iTunes in the Windows taskbar as well. iTunes requires a reboot of Windows and that pin becomes an empty file until you manually replace it.
Zawaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right click -> View -> Show Desktop Icons
Fixed, I guess you're right though, I use Keypirinha as a launcher, so for me, having tons of icons on the desktop is important (Keypirinha doesn't always find shit) therefore I just hide the desktop icons
ludolfina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would love Raymond Chen's blog, The Old New Thing. He rants (and rightfully so) about the same fucking thing in this post
Honestly while I don't like this either(I use rainmeter so I have 0 icons anyway), I realize that if they didn't do this I'd be helping my parent with their computers 24/7.
My father puts everything on the desktop and I've wondered how he can find anything.
But I've never had that issue. I don't have all that many programs to begin with. I prefer that they be put on the desktop.
This is something I really dislike about Linux actually.
Z0MBIE2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, they should always have an option, if not I'd say have it make the icon by default. I'd rather have to delete the icon which is a single click/button press instead of having to find the folder where the program is in order to send a shortcut to desktop.
I use all my programs off of my desktop, I use my start menu for a couple pinned I use when using other stuff so it's more convenient then desktop when opening em.
I hate when i install a new product and it adds an icon (or in some cases more). Everything goes into stuff and if anything in it hasnt been touched for a month it gets moved to recycle and if after another month i havent used it.. i uninstall.
When a product updates an adds a new icon to the desktop, it is infuriating as im not sure if i actually wanted to keep it or not, as it resets the date last used.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:53:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Krakkin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:05:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. We spend all day bitching about how the product is hard to use and the managers just come back with more half assed functionality they want us to cram in.
wpScraps ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 13:23:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a fan of Apple products, but they do this more than anybody and it's pretentious. It's like forced updates are the ghost of steve jobs coming to haunt Apple operating systems.
Well, most users seem to fail to understand the importance of (security) updates, so, as someone who has to deal with the then virus-infected devices, I think forcing updates, at least critical ones, is a necessary implementation.
Why not only do security updates automatically then? Why not make the system able to do updates while running first?
I understand if you want automated updates, but put some effort into it ffs. Microsoft fucked up, because they didn't bother to fix the issues users have with the updater before forcing it on them.
Microsoft is abusing the need for forced updates heavily, that's for sure! From a security standpoint though, it's better than making updates optional in general. It's not like tech-savvy people can't tweak it currently.
For comparison, if I enable automatic security updates on a Debian installation I will only see the updater once a month. It does updates all the time, but in a way which is very unintrusive, you barely ever notice it.
Microsoft should be able to make this happen in Windows.
They use security updates to make stupid updates more annoying. Before the creators update came out I got a security update, so I installed it. Afterwards the prompt for the creators update wasn't a window you could tell to piss off for a certain amount of time but a window that had the option to restart and install now or remind me tomorrow. I kept hitting remind me tomorrow for what seemed like forever. Then the other night I was playing Civ V and my computer just restarted on its own and started installing the update. After it turned on I reverted back to a previous update and disabled the updates service.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like a disable option
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Luriker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:07:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That toggle should be easy though. I get that they don't want lots of people turning it off, but the sort of person who would be irresponsible enough to turn it off without knowing what they're doing isn't the sort of person who is going into the control panel or settings app unless someone is telling them to.
I have to disagree. I work in IT and regularly meet people who are fairly competent using Windows, but can't grasp the importance of security updates. Often goes hand in hand with the "XP was the best, still use it on machine XY today"-crowd.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it bad for games? Honest questions, never researched that. Do you mean if I play the same game on Win 7 and on Win 10 on the same hardware I'll get worse performance in 10?
You are not part of that argument. I am not arguing that with you. That argument ended when my adversary deleted their posts.
Of course I was part of that argument, how else do you think we ended up here?
You are a supposedly random person accusing me of something I did not say.
What did I accuse you of saying, I asked you to clarify why you were talking about gaming on win10 when the person you called a shill said nothing about gaming on win10.
Saying someone is a dumb or shill, then going on to explain why gaming is bad on win10 does imply that you think the other person is in favor of gaming on win10, or else why in the hell would you even bring it up?
I kinda take that personally.
Get over it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:23 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asking you to clarify wtf you're talking about isn't an argument based on a faulty assumption, it's you backpedaling and getting lost in your own persecution complex.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great comment man! Small nitpick (might be wrong): at least here in Germany, you can get Windows 10 Pro keys on Amazon for 10-20โฌ, wouldn't call that a paywall. I don't think I've ever used anything less than Professional in the last 10 years...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What on earth are you talking about? In about 8 years of using OS X / macOS (since 10.5), I have never been forced to update my operating system. The same is true of iOS; itโll tell me thereโs an update available, but it wonโt randomly pop up with a prompt saying that my iPhone is restarting in 10 seconds.
Windows is the one that replaces the โShut downโ option with โUpdate and shut down,โ forcing you to either update or look for a loophole past the update process. That is what I call obnoxious.
no0bi1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:20:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What u smoking son I got iPhone and sierra any update is just a notification
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad Steve was actually good at figuring out the users' needs.
quimicita ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:32:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss my mac because at least I never had to turn off ads after every update or remove random useless bullshit from the bar at the bottom that I've already removed after every one of the last 4 updates.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Apple knowing what the consumer wants more than the consumer is (was?) kind of the whole idea behind Apple.
I installed iCloud on to my Windows desktop and it was a real ball ache to change it from the C drive. They don't even give you the option to choose a drive, they just insist on it being C. Had to use a directory redirect to put it where I want.
There comes a point when you simplfy an experience to the point you make it more complicated.
That way you've been saving your documents the last 25 years? That's for chumps. We're going to make a slightly better way to do it that's going to totally fuck with your head for about three weeks.
coftsock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:47:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The developers are only doing what they're told. Just like anyone else does what the boss/ higher ups say in their job.
Morjor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They totally should do that, because the vast majority of users don't care as much as we do. But if I need to go digging in config to get it off my computer than we have an issue.
Trawgg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it legal to install programs against our will on OUR PROPERTY? It's insane.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:29:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 12:54:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey remember when apple got rid of aperture because they figured people should use iphoto and simplified final cut pro because they though it'd help users more? Yeah definitely only happens in the windows ecosystem.
I'm curious, why do you dislike it so much? I use it as my music player, mostly out of habit from the days when I used to use my iPod, but I've had very few issues with it and never particularly seen a reason to switch. Is it that you find iTunes bad, or is it that you just think the alternatives are better? Why?
That's a gaming laptop, not an ultrabook. It's also 30% thicker and 25% heavier, making things small and light is expensive. The screen resolution is 60% less (1920x1080 vs 2440x1800). The SSD in the MBP is top of class. The battery and speakers in the MBP are vastly superior. The chassis and touchpad are no contest. The support experience is no contest. I've had my laptop for 5 years and it runs like its new, and will last many more years. I've never had that sort of experience with any windows machine, and I've owned many.
A better comparison would be the Surface Laptop, which costs... $2800 at those specs.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm seeing here is "I'm willing to pay twice as much so I don't have to carry an extra pound and change." The ROG laptop has a physical hard drive in it as well, to increase storage (hey look, more storage onboard!) which is part of the reason it's bigger and heavier.
The SSD in the MBP is top of class.
All SSDs are virtually identical in terms of real world performance.
The battery and speakers in the MBP are vastly superior.
The battery I'll give to the Macbook - is it $1400 worth of difference? Oh hell no. Speakers? Who cares about speakers?? Your headphones will plug in to either one just as well - hell, better on the ASUS because you've got more USB ports!
The chassis and touchpad are no contest.
The chasis and touchpad literally don't matter, because nobody but mac fanboys care. I'm literally typing this out on a macbook pro 15" (provided by work) and the only time I use the touchpad is when my stupid-ass mouse runs out of charge, because Apple in their infinite wisdom put the charging port for their mouse on the bottom of the fucking thing.
The support experience is no contest.
So you're going to pay $1400 more in case your over-expensive toy breaks?
A better comparison would be the Surface Laptop...
Ah yes, let's compare one OEM overpriced monstrosity to another... nope. You asked for comparable hardware, I gave you comparable hardware (actually better in terms of the graphics card), and now you're giving excuses to try to justify paying twice the price.
I'm sorry you don't use your trackpad, the gestures and sensitivity make me faster on a MBP trackpad than with a mouse
Things like the chassis quality, speakers, screen, battery life, make everyday usability much better, something that I'm willing to pay a premium for
I find it highly ironic that you posted a gaming laptop then made fun of my "over-expensive toy". It's not a toy, it's a tool I've used daily for 5 years.
We obviously use our laptops for different use cases, so it's pointless to compare really. You think the ROG is better value because some of the numbers are bigger and it costs less. I think the MBP is better value because it lasts longer, uses better quality parts in just about every aspect, the overall usage experience is better and the support experience is better. When I look at the lifetime of the product (which you should really do when buying such an expensive machine), the MBP is much better value. Yes, even at twice the price. And especially if you actually compare it to comparable machines filling comparable roles, which the Asus you posted does not.
An example of the support difference: Right now my laptop could use an out-of-warranty replacement battery (again, 5 years old). When I took it to the store to get a quote on replacement, I was told that despite them needing to replace a $600 part (the battery is attached to the upper half of the chassis) I would only be charged $150, the cost of the actual battery. Their reasoning? I didn't decide to merge those parts, they did, so they're not going to charge me the difference.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't cost twice as much when the device lasts twice as long.
LOL, if you think a 5 year old laptop is just as good as a modern one, you're dreaming.
All SSDs are not identical
You missed the point: for all practical purposes they're identical. They're so much faster than traditional hard drives that the differences between them are pretty irrelevant.
I'm sorry you don't use your trackpad
I'm not. It's slower than using a mouse, especially when I've got several monitors set up.
I find it highly ironic that you posted a gaming laptop then made fun of my "over-expensive toy".
It is over-expensive.
When I look at the lifetime of the product...
...you think that it's still going to be worthwhile to use in 5 years. In 5 years, I'll buy a new laptop for $1400, have spent just as much as you (less actually when you factor in inflation), and have better hardware than what you're stuck with.
When I took it to the store to get a quote on replacement, I was told that despite them needing to replace a $600 part
I don't really think I need to do anything else here - you'll pay $600 nominally for a new battery w/o warranty. I can pay $80-$120 for a replacement battery for that Asus, and I can replace it myself. Your over-expensive toy came wrapped up so tight you can't do any maintenance on it yourself, you've gotta pay more money to Apple for them to fix it.
So what it boils down to is ephemerals: you like a metal case, a slightly lighter PC, a maginally faster SSD, a worse video card, and your "user experience", and you'll pay twice the price for that. I'll get better hardware for half the price, upgrade in a few years, end up paying overall less than you for twice the machines with remarkably better hardware overall, and yet you'll still suck the cold dead cock of Steve Jobs because you're addicted to Mac.
SSD is about the same, ~500MB/s Read/Write for both, but this apparently doesn't matter anyway.
RAM: 1600MHz LPDDR3 vs
2400MHz DDR4, got me there.
My point is, 5 years later I feel no need to upgrade. The CPU and SSD performance is what I need, and they're still up to scratch. And if I do want to upgrade, I can sell this machine for ~$1000.
_cortex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You: Here are 2 devices that I think are comparable
Other guy: They are in fact not comparable for <reasons>
You: Well, I think <reasons> are completely unimportant and stupid!
Excellent argument there, good sir.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... are you aware of where we are? This is /r/PCMasterRace. It's a gaming subreddit. The stuff he's talking about is immaterial to gaming. Slightly longer battery life? You plug in your shit. Better speakers? You're wearing headphones anyway! Slightly faster SSD? It makes no noticeable difference when you're loading maps. Metal case? Is that really worth an extra $1400 to you? Mine's 25% lighter! That's fine, but is it $1400 worth of fine? I have a touchpad! Great - it's still a shitty built-in!
Sure, it's good hardware, I'll readily admit that, but it's not good enough to justify twice the price.
_cortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am, I'm typing this on my gaming PC right now. This thread is about bloatware, which is rampant on Windows. I just reinstalled Windows on my Laptop today and had fucking Candy Crush or some shit in my startmenu after updating and I sure as hell didn't install that.
You were the one who made it about hardware. No one said anything about using it for gaming until you brought it up just now. A MacBook is a business machine, not a gaming one. The fact of the matter is that the two are not comparable. It's as if you're comparing a motorcycle and a drag race car. Sure, both have a motor, but they have completely different uses, even if it all boils down to getting you from point A to point B.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact of the matter is that the two are not comparable.
But they are - even if it's a business machine, we can still compare the relevant specs: CPU, RAM, storage, video card, battery life, etc - His has slightly better battery life and a nice case, mine is equivalent or better in the other respects, for half the price.
_cortex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, you are disregarding all the things that the other guy listed and you're only picking what you want because "I don't need any of the other things".
By the way, that ASUS is totally overpriced. I can build a custom gaming PC for half the price that'll perform better and have better or equal relevant specs: CPU, RAM, storage, video card, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are disregarding all the things that the other guy listed and you're only picking what you want because "I don't need any of the other things".
...because this is a gaming subreddit and those things don't matter to gaming?
By the way, that ASUS is totally overpriced.
Well yes - but he wanted a comparable laptop, so I picked a laptop. For $1000 you can build a PC that'll blow away that macbook on every front.
_cortex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm seeing here is "I'm willing to pay twice as much so I don't have to carry a couple extra pounds". Brodin shall strike me down on the day that I can't even carry around a gaming PC anymore. Why would I use this expensive $1400 ASUS contraption when I can have a much better performing gaming machine for half the price? The fact that it's a laptop literally doesn't matter. ASUS is just overpriced.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sure, Asus laptops are certainly overpriced. I was going for a bit of an apples to apples comparison is all. :)
OTOhTea ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:41:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Windows has never done any of that either. I can't relate to all the "forced reboot" Windows 10 complaints. I don't know if I did something, but it just doesn't happen to me.
This is off topic, and a personal gripe, but I remember when people made assertions with statements rather than couching their meaning in off-putting and patronising rhetorical questions crafted to make their interlocutors appear foolish.
openRUSE ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:09:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's elsewhere too. You see it all over the place these days. "Sane defaults" turning into "Options confuse users, remove them all." You even see it in Linux under GNOME where the devs are increasingly restricting user choice because MUH BRAND.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:21:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Systemd is an init system for Linux, which is the first program to start when you turn on your computer and it handles everything from the booting process to running background services. The main critique on systemd is that it tries to do too much, as it also handles things like networking and device management. The motivation behind all of that is that makes configuration more portable across systems. This violates the Unix philosophy, though it is possible to replace certain components if the user wishes to.
That being said, I personally don't mind systemd at all. I find that it makes configuration a breeze and it works the same on every computer and server I've used, unlike in the past where most Linux distributions used different init systems and handled configuration in their own way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:56:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bastinenz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that it rejects Unix's licensing model. On a technical level GNU's developers were smart enough to acknowledge that UNIX is probably as close to perfect as a general purpose OS can get and adopted most of the design philosophies UNIX uses.
It slowly crawls into Linux too. Like how everyone is forced to use systemd, which just refuses to work on one of my older machines. And with every new release, it's harder and harder to jump through hoops to make it use init.d instead of this bullshit.
Xorous ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:29:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With free software, you have the freedom to replace it!
It's getting harder and harder to do so. And it's a personal gripe, but I am not a fan of GNU politics lately.
eirexe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free software politics haven't really changed
musdem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people are actually really against systemd because it goes against the Linux philosophy of keeping things small and modular. I have a feeling it's getting adopted so widely because of popular distros using it. Though you should still be able to use Debian with init.d if you really need to use it.
On Linux, if you know how, you can make a replacement for systemd, and you can give it to the public for free. On Windows, you just have to hope that Microsoft will listen to the users' wishes.
I don't have Windows 10, but didn't they change the bluescreen error from an explanation of precisely what failed, technical details, and the following steps to take to "Something bad happened :("?
Eswercaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's second on my list of things I hate recently. "We're working on something...", "Hold on while we set things up for you!", etc....
niroby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its:
Something has gone wrong :(
To learn more about this error you can search ERROR CODE
Microsoft then has pages for each error code with more detail. This is a huge improvement over having to write down the information from your blue screen.
xConorrr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered using Linux? You're free to decide what you want to use, how you want to use it, customize and break it, or whatever else.
Eswercaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do. But it's inevitable to need to use Windows from time to time.
xConorrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then that explains when the first comment came from lol. Right on.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:40:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't think they know, they just want to push you in certain directions.
Like what the other guy said, with the desktop icons. They force the opt-out not because they think people will want that. They do because they know less tech savvy people are more prone to use their software if the icon is in the desktop.
It always reminds me of those phishing e-mails and stuff being poorly written on purpose, so that only gullible people will go through, thus the poor writing works as a pre-filter of sorts.
It's a trend in everything. "Check out the new toyota Carolla! We've added hip new accents and made the seats recyclable, for all you millennials! It will still put you in a coma from boredom, but its so green" i get the feeling marketing personnel have lost touch with reality.
bshand567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also in phones. I can't uninstall Facebook on my phone
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think in this case it's less developers thinking they know what people want and more MS getting that sweet ad revenue or ways to collect data about people. Even if the app doesn't seem to collect any real data they still get something by seeing if you launch it or not.
I think it's just super invasive bullshit and I don't even think we've come close to cracking the surface on what is to come in the next 20+ years. Future is gonna be shitty ad plastered bullshit.
Luriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I feel Microsoft is worse than Apple about this when it comes to computing platforms. Obviously iOS is the king of "Apple imposing their vision," but as far as Mac goes, the only thing in the last few years like this was a change to how apps could modify the OS GUI (I think this is called the window server?) It was primarily to lock the potential for abusive programs, but it sort of killed the macOS ricing scene at the time.
_S_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because YOU know how to use your products. We're part of a probably 10% of people who pay attention at how to use our software (and PCs overall). Most people don't. Really.
You know how you think of something kinda clever and remember-able when making up a password? I've met people who recycle passwords, changing just the last letter.
To be honest, the actual bad thing is developers that take advantage of computer illiterate people to make money through ads, malware, etc...
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because engineers can't think like people.
Some of it is curse of knowledge shit.
But a lot of it is all those years of social alienation biting them in the ass through their work.
The "Papa knows best" engineer/developer trope is a byproduct of not hanging out with enough different kinds of people...so one becomes prone to assuming anyone can be slotted into a designed system built on technical rules.
Except...humans are wildly irrational and don't care about what inventors expect them to do. And if a few of these folks got out and mixed it up more, it wouldn't be so shocking to learn most people don't want Microsoft or Apple or anyone telling them when how where and why they can use the technology they buy.
Developers that can't let go and surrender to users taking ownership of the system is really no better than George Lucas taking Star Wars and editing in Greedo shooting first.
Developers don't like this shit any more than you.
Also software engineers work in teams of 4-6 and often get juggled between management teams, too. Even if they are not on average developers change jobs every 2-3 years and this is the fastest turnover (and is normal) of any educated profession. There is no "social alienation".
As a developers fuck M$ taking power away from the user. I am a user. How do you think I grew to like technology?
Skype died when they decided users no longer needed to sort contacts by online status. Because that's obviously not a useful function in an online messaging service.
Frando3 ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 13:44:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love my Google Pixel. Out of the box it comes with no less than three messaging apps made by Google: Hangouts, Allo and Duo. None of them are compatible with each other or SMS.
Isn't Duo a video chat app, though? I guess Hangouts did have that at some point
fooksies ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:15:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it confused the hell out of normal people. I've been using google voice for years and my messaging solution is a combination of hangouts, regular texts (I move a lot) and google voice. It was (and still is) wonderful - but I haven't been able to get other people who would benefit from my solution to understand hangouts and SMS, let alone adopt it. The distinction between a hangouts message and SMS was too small for them to understand. They get iMessage because it does everything in the background for you - and they understand whatsapp because it's a separate app - but both sms and IM in the same app? Nope, it's either too complex or people are too technologically inept. Hell, half the people I know don't even understand how Google Voice works even though it's just a simple forwarding number.
jdovew ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:17:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The distinction between a hangouts message and SMS was too small for them to understand.
To be fair, messages goes to any phone number. Hangouts have to have the hangout app installed and an account.
fooksies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the app had a combined list where all your regular cellular text conversations, IM conversations and Google Voice conversations were all pooled into one single conversation list. It was very powerful and handy but they split off SMS at some point.
atimholt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine still works the old way because my Google Voice number is my real number. SMS messages to Google Voice show up in Hangouts.
fooksies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use a regular number along with Google voice because I travel and international roaming can be a pain (even if it's T-Mo) when dealing with locals. Previously, regular texts, google voice and hangouts were all in the same app. Now regular texts have been split off into a diff app.
Eh, I don't know about died. I use Hangouts just about everyday and have done so since before it was named Hangouts. I just use another app for SMS. However I do understand how some people would be upset. Different strokes for different folks.
boisdeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:48 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hangouts was dead to me when I saw it wanted to handle my SMS. Fucking why??
NateY3K ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype's ability to see if someone is online or not is so unreliable that status doesn't mean anything anyways
GAMST3R ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What killed it for me was when they would start playing ads in the middle of a call. Very loud ads.
xian0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even sure if Skype still has ads, I went all "adblock" on it years ago.
Luckily I only use audio for group calls so Discord suits my needs perfectly. I've used Facebooks video calling a bit but it's awful and I don't have an iPhone to use facetime. Discord is due to add video to their system soon and they have so far at least delivered excellent quality so odds are it'll be worth the wait if video is a big priority for people.
Dalisca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, very much alive. It's rooted deeply in Outlook and SharePoint, so in the corporate world it's become a staple.
That'd be why then. The Windows 10 version for some reason does away with online status as a contact filter. Your option is alphabetical or nothing. It's just awful.
Senshiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The phone app doesn't even let you flag yourself as online/invisible/whatever anymore, and the desktop and phone apps conflict and spam switch my status between online and invisible like they're in a fight with each other. I just want to stay invisible while I check messages. It's so terrible.
...and my work just made Skype required. Sigh.
Mr_Zero ยท 654 points ยท Posted at 15:01:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chinese, Russian and United States law enforcement agencies have the ability to eavesdrop on Skype conversations, as well as have access to Skype users' geographic locations. In many cases, simple request for information is sufficient, and no court approval is needed. This ability was deliberately added by Microsoft after they purchased Skype in 2011 for the law enforcement agencies around the world. This is implemented through switching the Skype client for a particular user account from the client-side encryption to the server-side encryption, allowing dissemination of an unencrypted data stream.
Kwarter ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 19:13:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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A service that by default stores everything on unencrypted servers based in Russia, that offers unlimited storage and top of the line features for absoultely nothing in return, while being funded by the creator of Russia's biggest social network which was subsequentally handed over to Vladimir Putin's allies.
If you're not using Skype for privacy reasons I'd stay away from that one.
I fucking hate when people act like shit like this matters. So what? I'm pretty sure the government isn't gonna give a shit about me sending my friends memes and shit all day. They put this in place because it helps find criminals who use their platform to plan/discuss illegal shit and honestly if that's what you're doing, you're a fucking idiot for talking about it through the internet in the first place. Unless you have something to hide, don't worry. But if you do, well justice was fucking served. I don't see the problem with that. If you honestly think some guy pouring over the data is read your conversations about random shit you're saying to your friends/family, you're a cynical piece of shit and you might as well never trust anyone.
Speaking of bloatware, I wrote a simple powershell script for work that removes all of the bloatware in Windows 10. It gets updated pretty regularly because Microsoft keeps adding garbage. Hereโs a link.
Edit: People are confused about powershell scripts. Iโll clarify some stuff here.
1. This is not a command prompt .bat file. Running this in command prompt will fail.
Powershell is for more advanced users. If this scares you, donโt do it.
To run this, download the .ps1 file and right click it, then click โRun with powershellโ
A GUI will appear. If you donโt want to uninstall the Xbox app, donโt click the button that says โUninstall Xbox Appโ.
Edit 2: I thought this went without saying. This only works in Windows 10.
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Loraash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:51:12 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell. Where literally the only thing you want to do with it is disallowed by default. Thanks MS.
DaDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a powerful tool and they do it for security reasons. There are ways to bypass it, so it isn't entirely secure but it is to protect people for the most part. You don't want make it easier for hackers to get data off your computer.
Loraash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:13 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The security point is moot because haxx0rs can just use .vbs instead. So here we are, where PS is only used when it's forced on its users by MS, and it is STILL failing so hard that they decided to just get bash. At least that one runs scripts.
DaDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:30 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I am just stating that is MS's reasoning.
Loraash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:49 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And my original post was sarcastically thanking them for that. :)
If you run it in the GUI mode (as itโs designed) itโs optional to remove the Xbox app. Just donโt click the button that says โRemove Xbox Appโ.
DaDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:22 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should think about setting it up in a way that the user can select what they want to delete, and have a delete all option. I know that windows forms can't do a visual switch but maybe a drop down as yes or no.
NONE OF THESE SHITTY COMMAND LINES WORK FOR ME. WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?
NosNap ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:02:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy shared a script he wrote, for free, to help you out. So your response is to flame him in caps because you don't understand how to use it and can't be bothered to read the documentation..
C'mon man, use your brain a little
Prophage7 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:21:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats because its not command line... its powershell.
dovvv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:21:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao there's always one isn't there XD
[deleted] ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 16:45:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is also known to:
Accidently leak your real name
Intentionally leak your own name
Leak your location at the push of a button
Make your ip very visible
Log all your chats (unencrypted) on your hard drive
Log your chats on the cloud
Send information to the NSA when requested
And have an "invisible" feature for being offline, that does not really work
Overall, skype is very cancerous, and should not be used.
ItsKipz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you share your skype username it is TRIVIALLY EASY to get your address from it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait what?? Seriouly??? I thought it only shares your address if you press the button. And I thought you could only get the ip using resolvers????
ItsKipz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tested it with my own username, literally just googled "skype IP checker" and it gave me my ip and my home address.
Ask a friend in another country to see if i couldtest this. I don't know his real name, his adress or anything besides the fact he lives in New South Wales.
In 10mins i found out more about him than i would have liked, including dick pics he sent his gf on his skype. If i wanted to I could have reset his password and bought Skype Credit on his account if i wanted.
Suffice as to say, he no longer has Skype.
ItsKipz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:06 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is really terrifying what you can do if you try.
in order to confirm that the account was mine, all i had to do was supply a phone number and there is an option for "forgot security questions" and "new phone number".
I had him make a new account and to tell me just the username. It is now my account and its got his credit card attached to it. Needless to say if i could do it, a professional scammer will and has done it.
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The situation has gotten especially worse since the appointment of Ellen Pao as CEO, culminating in the seemingly unjustified firings of several valuable employees and bans on hundreds of vibrant communities on completely trumped-up charges.
The resignation of Ellen Pao and the appointment of Steve Huffman as CEO, despite initial hopes, has continued the same trend.
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_Vetis_ ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:43:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck is this necessary to remove software in this age?!
avik244 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:27:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this does not remove skype. it removes the ads from the skype -_-
rillip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:02 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does take a god awful amount of work to remove things Microsoft doesn't want you to though. Also you have to open the store (fuck the fact that that exists) and tell it in it's settings not to install shit on your computer or it will constantly download and reinstall apps like candy crush in the background. Win 10 is such bullshit.
The only problem I have with it is, it's hard to introduce to the general non-gaming community, because so much of the gaming culture is baked into the software. If only there was a non-gaming version without all those cute startup messages so that I can convince my relatives to use Discord instead of the cancer that is Skype.
What about Slack? I don't know a lot about it except that I use it for work sometimes. It seems to me that it is just like discord except without all the gaming features built in. I don't know if slack has a group voice chat system however.
It's obnoxiously unintuitive to join a channel and requires a lot of time to explain. I nearly lost my shit my first time joining another slack because I never knew I needed another account for the same app. Discord is so much nicer with one account, and short invite links.
Having to join each different group through a different URL and username is somewhat un-intuitive, I agree. Also harder to keep track of conversation due to the thread-based conversation history.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
t's obnoxiously unintuitive to join a channel and requires a lot of time to explain.
What? Click this link, sign in. Done. SOOOOOO difficult.
Also, you probably don't want your "xxJuanStoner420xx" name showing up in your work chats.
When I give people the workspace link, they are required to make their own personal workspace or something first. After that, they get confused as to why they can't log into the workspace that I gave them. Why in the world does each workspace have to have a new account, and not just link all into a single account spanning multiple workspaces, like Discord. But I kinda get the bad name point, but you can always set a nickname
My work was using Slack for a while but ended up going back to what's app since people were having issues receiving messages on Slack. (Moreso people were not tagging people correctly)
Cueball61 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:24:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to join a team on slack, you canโt just be a user for 1 on 1 communication. You also have to pay for group, video and screen sharing calls
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only downside is that it's really confusing / cumbersome to keep tabs on two different servers. Discord makes it really easy. The only two downsides discord has relative to slack is the global username (for example, if you do not want to be recognized as the real you on a server and in PMs but not in a specific server), and WHERE ARE MY ANIMATED EMOJIS FFS.
I mean it only pops up once when you start it. Doesn't really after that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but there's only, like, four of them. Over and over and over again. My brain just filters them out, I don't even notice them anymore.
Tuas1996 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:21:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure theres hundreds of startup messages considering theyre all attributed to different people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by "attributed"? Do you mean like "this message is a tribute to this backer" or do you mean "this guy gets so see the same messages over and over and over again".
First option makes more sense but it doesn't explain that goddamn V8 message I see like 85% of the time.
Tuas1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me atleast, every message has a small "sent to us by @username" dunno where they get sent them but it seems to either be backers as you said or just random tweets they get, really have no idea, point is they dont spend any energy whatsoever on making them up so they have a ton of them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I've ever seen a single one of those. Maybe it can be turned in the options or something...
HeKis4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the fucking r/fellowkids material? I wish I could not have that shit.
LeonimuZ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's people around the same age as people Using discord that are developing Discord. So it's not so much fellow kids since they are the kids In here as well.
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but boy even if I'm a gamer I don't want "gamerz" splattered over all of my tools.
LeonimuZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that case use Slack. You might not find your friends there though.
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, that's the point... That and the fact that being on 5+ servers at the same time is a pain with Slack. But aside these issues I wouldn't mind switching at all.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:46:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try Slack.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:12:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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groundzr0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any is there a way to rename or add notes to a room's name? I'm tired of having a list of 20 different servers and having to look through each one to remember who is a part of which.
SKU11TR0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with the friend request system?
sur_surly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once Discord needs to make money, it'll fall down the path of Skype. Right now it's in the "lure users in" phase.
I sincerely hope not. I've uninstalled Mumble, Teamspeak, and Skype for Discord.
TimmyP7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're making money off of Discord Nitro as of now.
corfish77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tell them that it's primarily used for gaming communities but it's just as viable for setting up channels for friends/families as it is for gaming.
Try Mumble. I heard it's pretty good. There's also voodoo or something, idk much about it but anything is better than Skype
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem I have is that i can't host my server
chirmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is - Slack, which came out first and from which Discord clearly stole its design. Donโt get me wrong - I use both. But it kind of grosses me out how much Discord looks like Slack.
Yeah I don't like Skype but my siblings and some of my friends do. It's really what others that you talk to choose to use.
Actually if my siblings didn't use it, I wouldn't use it either. I mostly used google chat, but my friends stopped using that. Seems like everyone just uses text mostly nowadays, and twitter, instragram, snapchat etc.
Ranzera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could have them use the Discord plugin for Pidgin (an open source replacement for AIM). Pidgin is pretty good and has plugins for most IM protocols.
Just tell them to figure it out. It's fucking easier to set up than Skype.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was a non-gaming version without all those cute startup messages so that I can convince my relatives to use Discord instead of the cancer that is Skype.
Well Telegram is a good alternative if you're looking for something that isn't IRC or Slack, but also isn't Discord. Recently, they've added some neat features that Discord has like bots and calls.
Aema ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the things I like about Discord. I prefer to keep my gaming activity isolated from the rest of my life.
Try team Speak? I haven't used it in years but I remember it was good.
juroden ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 13:46:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yes but also no. Discord won't even let you send files that aren't bigger than a picture basically. Can't really send songs to my friends with it which kinda sucks
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:21:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I speak for myself in this, but I really don't have that many issues with Skype. File transfer goes fine, my messages are almost always synced correctly, video chat works fine, I use it with my friends back home every day. I do hate the voice ads that play on browser when I'm only messaging, but im usually on video chat thankfully. It's the only semi-stable video chat software that I've found to use on both mobile and PC. I am open to alternatives.
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:02:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily services like mediafire and google drive are perfect for your needs
you can post YouTube links or spotify links in the chat.... Better than nothing I guess
omarfw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:36:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google drive is a good supplement to that. No IM is going to have fantastic file transfer abilities.
Zawaken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you can pay $5 a month for it and be able to send 50MB files, AND support the developers. But you get almost nothing else than gif avatar, and the ability to send bigger files
Skype transfers files directly P2P which takes years. Discord rehosts whatever you upload on their CDN for free. You see such a low cap because paying for a CDN is not free.
AtomicFlx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is sending files from one computer to another so damn hard? Its never been easy. I still use sneakernet for almost all my transfers. It shouldn't be this hard.
That's what I'm confused about...everyone is basically comparing apples to oranges. Skype is primarily for video chat and Discord is IM as far as I know.
I know people that use Skype for group video calls and i am also confused why people suggest Discord. For IM i can't see Discord surpassing Whatsap, Facebook Messenger or Telegram.
For one to one IM , maybe not, but for group chat I would say it is better, as you can have a group of people on the server and then have lots of different channels for different topics (our one has a channel for pretty much every hobby we have and then a general channel for everyday conversation)
They are introducing video chat, currently just voice but video is probably at most half a year away. With how good voice is, I would be surprised if video chat was bad. It is probably the best application for many people messaging a group chat with as you can have different chats for different topics.
Yes it does. It's slowly being rolled out but i was lucky enough to be chosen for the first 10%. It works perfectly. I haven't had a single issue with it as opposed to Skype. The call quality is great and the calls haven't been dropped a single time. Skype's days are numbered.
All of my friends online switched to Discord for all our gaming comms. It's free which makes it even better but I would easily pay $ for it now. It's been fantastic.
yenwood ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 13:43:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AsinoEsel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:03:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A higher data cap for transmitting files (50MB instead of just 8), and some other stuff like an animated avatar and things like that.
jdovew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
animated avatar
Literally could not care less.
AsinoEsel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Having Discord Nitro is more of a status symbol than a practical upgrade for most people.
yenwood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nitro is basically a pro account. And all it really lets you do now is upload a gif as an avatar, raises the file size limit, and lets you use server emoji on any server
While there are a few people who might consider paying for a communications platform they're far from the majority. If you want to create a communications platform you need a lot of people to get on board and use it.
The only thing that keeps me from completely dropping Skype for Discord is that I have people on Skype who aren't on Discord. Make people have to pay (even if it's a nominal sum) and this problem is going to be huge.
Except for it's god awful CPU usage with webcams. Discord can hog upwards of 50% of my 2500k with webcams on, while Skype tends to only use about 30% tops. I remember reading somewhere that Skype uses Windows' built in webcam API which is why it's so much more efficient than discord.
Anythings better than their p2p cancer. Which is why I installed Teamspeak on my vps in the city. All my mates get low latency Comms when we're playing games, and we use the file browser for sharing shows and music/other shit; too. And god the permissions system is strong as all hell. Like applying ACLs.
Made a script that links all the channel folders to one so it's all one big folder of shit; and another script to fetch the best memes from subreddits in a condor file daily to rotate on our ts3's server image every 5 minutes. Gives us sone good laughs
I think Discord needs to bring over features thatโs other IM apps have had for a long time. For example, the ability to โreplyโ to a specific message where that message will be quoted above yours.
Also the DM/friends page is a bit of a mess.
Also, overall, they should develop a mini windowed version where a specific channel can pop out of the main window.
On mobile, it takes way too long to start up. And then every time you switch to a different app and back, it has to reload all over again.
Then to add insult to injury, every time the app loads, it takes you to your friends page. Every. Time. Itโs infuriating.
I love what Discord has done. But Iโd really like to see some really basic refinements before saying theyโve steamrolled Skype.
Jofzar_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's out for 40% of people, if you want to force activate, you can buy nitro or download there public test build (ptb) from their website
Sardad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was fine back in the day. And one day Discord will become just like Skype: when it has a big enough user base, it'll get scooped up and pushed down your throat.
We'll complain on Reddit and someone will say, "Meh, I'm glad I don't get into Discord, that's why I use xxx."
Every way except lag. I have several friends that have moved out to the west coast. We cant use discord because the lag makes it unusable. One workaround was to set the region to central and then we all got lag, just less. This might be because we setup our own channel and are not paying for some service idk. Skype has never been laggy so we just keep using that if we are playing. For everything else I use discord now. Definitely use discord if i'm playing with friends that still live on the east coast.
vanzzx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you do video calls over discord?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is really great, but sadly it won't replace all my communication needs. Discord is aimed more towards gaming service and it doesn't have videochat yet. I mostly use Skype to video chatting with family members.
They're working on video calls though, it's currently being tested for about 50% of the users and it should be out for everyone within the next few months.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:56 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware that they are working on video calls, but it feels kinda wrong to try to get my parents and people who don't really game to use it. I personally see Discord as service to replace teamspeak and skype gaming sessions, but i can't see it being used as app to communicate with friends / family who don't game.
I have one problem that seems to be on discord side and not the hardware: bought a 30โฌ webcam to fuck around with friends and all it does is flicker between green and the actual image. I found that other people has this problem too
Gadaeus1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this overwhelming sentiment. I've been using discord for about a year and it still confuses the hell out of me. I have no idea where the notifications are comming from or what some of the blips mean. I'm constantly getting confused on whether people are talking to me directly or just posting something on some channel that I can't find. I don't understand how channels work outside of the very basics. The GUI is very confusing to me and I'd much rather it be text based because I don't know what half the buttons do.
Both skype and vent where very intuitive to me. Its weird that discord isn't. shrug w/e brains process information differently.
LG03 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:13:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is not better, they harvest and sell the fuck out of your information and they have access to a lot of your info. I refuse to use it, I'll just stick to my jabber tyvm.
I have to tell you I don't really like Discord. I don't find the VoIP to be any better than similar apps. Less latency than Skype for sure, but not really any better than say mumble or TS. File sharing is limited and using another service just to send files is cumbersome. I don't really understand all the hype for it. Is it just because it's the newest and it's going to be dropped the second something else pops up like what happened with mumble?
Skype is such cancer. How this ever got popular is beyond my grasp. There are so much cleaner IM alternatives.
Redtuzk ยท 2259 points ยท Posted at 11:10:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was a really good piece of software back in the day, when it first came out.
It slowly spiralled into the bloatware world, particularly when Microsoft bought it.
[deleted] ยท 616 points ยท Posted at 11:23:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is truly sad how bad skype has gotten over the years. It use to be so much more clean and functional with my major complaint back then being the awful file transfer speeds.
But now it is a mess if messages even sync right, calls only ringing on one device but not the other, and a ton of the bloat with "Skype sent you a card" and all that other bs. Heck if it wasn't for much of my relatives who can't move on past it I would have completely stop using it years ago.
Hell there was a time where one of ChromeOS's biggest issue was not having Skype and by the time Skype rolled in you can use it from browser very few cared.
I turned on my phone from 2012 (Galaxy S III) recently to dig through some photos (evidence for insurance company). My phone started notifying me of every single skype message I received since...
I should clarify that Skype was notifying me randomly (it would notify of message from 2015 and then some from 2013 etc) about every message. Separately, as it was syncing up. Had to uninstall it during my dig through the files after ten minutes because it became unbearable. Gmail, youtube, facebook etc just all gave me all one ring each with one notification saying "yo shit happened while you were gone". But skype was like my mom or a dog, happy that I came back.
Yoyoeat ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:35:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have 19,000+ Skype notifications on my old iPod, so much it stopped counting. Iโm scared of what would happen if I opened it...
I mean, my phone did that for YouTube, messanger, etc. Sat for over an hour just vibrating.
ja534 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:18:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why before putting your old phone in storage you activate plane mode so it doesn't vibrate like a Hitachi magic wand when you boot it up because you forgot to copy some folder full of nudes 2 years ago
xxfay6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom left her phone off for a week (I don't remember exactly why, maybe it wiped itself). After we turned it on and it pulled her accounts, it kept ringing for 2 hours.
65rytg ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:07:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was such a pain in the ass to join group calls that were in session, one of the main functions of the actual software.
I depend on Skype for my work, I can't WAIT until another app becomes popular and fistfucks Skype. France should reintroduce the guillotine to behead whoever decided to let Skype become what it is now.
Wait are you talking about the same thing as "Skype for business" (formerly Lync)? It seems fine to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
< Heck if it wasn't for much of my relatives who can't move on past it I would have completely stop using it years ago.
I feel like this is turning into a legitimate marketing tactic. It's the only reason i have facebook still. They latch onto all the non tech-savvy and let them drag down all the people who know better, we're outnumbered anyway.
I was a web developer (contractor) for MSN 2006-2014. It was such an awesome place to work, great people, fantastic offices... Then Microsoft decided to make cuts to staffing. In a few months it went to hell. The 200 employees scattered out of state. MSN RIP.
Dascandy ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 12:52:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Want to know the new name for MSN messenger?
Skype for business.
ipmasq ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:09:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's shit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chao77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lync worked way better than Skype for me.
catbot4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Lync/Skype for business at work. Its not that bad I find. Pretty simple to use and allows screen sharing, chat,video calls, conference calls. If you're forced to work in a Microsoft whore office like I am, then it's not .... bad.
Skype for business is built of Lync which is built of microsoft communicator. It's lync.exe
Dascandy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype for business replaced Lync, which replaced MS communicator, which is MSN with a corporate sauce.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dascandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you work in a Windows only environment? The mac version is still called Lync because the latest release predates the rename and the Linux version is still called "No".
God I wish my friends used telegram. Literally the only people I've met in person that know what the app is are all furries. I really want to convert all my friends to use it.
I use it as an easy way to contact friends from the city I used to live since they primarily use it. There are group chats for literally everything, so yeah its safe to say that people do.
Unipro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't.. Use signal instead..
Telegram uses a home cooked encryption algorithm, something that is really hard to get right.. As in read, needs peer reviews for years and mathematical proofs to get right.
I mean, my entire friend group uses facebook messenger. Security isn't really something I care too much about for a messaging app, I just like the layout, usability, and stickers that telegram has. And its less glitchy than messenger.
Unipro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:38 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the motivation behind the choice, but I would still prefer the good security of signal. It has actually also recently begon introducing the kind of features that makes it a competitor to Telegram in regards to stickers and such.
Plus you won't have to move over when/if Telegram turns out to be horribly insecure.
Kiinako_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only people I know who use Telegram are small time weed dealers
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:12:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-> Snapchat, as the kids would do
Stoner95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's telegram and what pros/cons does it have over WhatsApp which I'm currently using
Apparently it's more secure. Everything is encrypted with custom protocol and they claim that they haven't given encryption keys to FBI yet despite their requests.
I liked AIM, that was a good one. I think outside of Facebook though, all of these things just have a short run. Even though they all pretty much just do the same thing, it's just what is popular and it's usually young people picking something different.
Minecraft, games and apps all went straight to hell
david0990 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:11:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that has to do with realizing the commercial space had a lot of competition and focus shifted almost completely towards the enterprise version. Hospitals, banks, etc use Skype. So while we rightfully shit on it, people in your hospital are likely using it to communicate with their coworkers.
mccalli ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:36:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and they hate that version too. I use it - it's awful. Multisecond hangs, bizarre cut'n'paste...it's awful.
david0990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you have no choice until someone makes the call to switch.
Skype and Skype for Business are entirely different. Although you can federate and IM into public Skype if you want to.
_cortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently had to use Skype for business because my tax consulant was using it. It's terrifying how they can manage to charge money for a garbage product like that... Couldn't join via desktop Skype, had to install some shady browser plugin and then both the host and I had to play around with the microphone/headphone settings and re-join a couple times before it was working for both of us. Then, it dropped one of us for a couple seconds 4-5 times on a 45min call... I'll be glad once it finally dies.
Dcoil1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:43:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this the life cycle for every Windows program?
Edit: Linux is life.
caotic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:59:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may want to try Linux. This kind of crap is rare and far apart. When it happened that particular software gets doom into abandonment by their user (faster than in windows, cant speak for mac)
Dcoil1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:00:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mah man!
Edit: downvotes? Seriously?
Edit 2: disregard edit 1.
caotic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The answer is, don't think about it. People get threatened with ideas that fall outside their comfort zone and will go to ridiculous lengths to defend their views before challenging themselves to change in any significant way. Don't take it personally, don't even trip.
bliblio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already happening :/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M$ bought it and changed the underlying protocol. Skype is basically a skin of Windows Live Messenger nowadays.
kenman884 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is, it works great at my work. Integrates seamlessly with Outlook, great way to have meetings with offsite personnel, it's exceptionally functional.
At home though, discord all the way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all it is now is a metadata collector for Microsoft, as is LinkedIn...
Skype was fucking amazing, because it connected the two computers in a call or used one to host a conference call, therefore not recording your call. Now they don't do that and the closest replacement is Discord which gives everything to every one who's asking.
I wish there was a good quality service that still protected your conversations.
Ellimis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, skype was the FIRST piece of software to do what skype does back in the day. It was not really good. It was horribly bloated back then and used users as supernodes to route calls. It has always been pretty atrocious (seriously, the interface on every device is godawful obtuse), but when it was literally the only game in town, it was pretty damn cool.
PA610Sam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype for Business is still fantastic. On the consumer end is a different story...
This will be unpopular, but Skype doesn't have to be the best, it just has to be good enough that people won't bother installing a new system. Im in my late 20s and use I'm services based on service. Fbook messenger for family group chats, snapchat for gf because nudes, and Skype for gaming with friends since we all already have it installed. Skype is just fine and will remain dominant for a long time coming
Because until Discord came around, Skype was the easiest IM available. You had things like Mumble and Teamspeak, but those were more "premium" and a LOT more complicated than Skype.
Skype had monopoly, that's why it never really evolved.
I remember when people kept messaging Joel on Skype because for some reason, people like to search up their senpai on Skype and spam them with messages.
filij ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:51:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL it still happens just with discord. every fucking game I get into and some kid say "hey you got discord"?. Just play the damn game with the built in audio that works fine
Rainbow 6 this happen to me quite a bit. No, I don't want to listen to you twice as much while you still use in game VOIP, dude.
kamon405 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gamers on skype?? that's blasphemy.
MCA2142 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:13:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not mumble or teamspeak, but yahoo messenger and MSN messenger.
When skype came out, it was competing again the shit show that was yahoo and MSN suite of crap apps.
They even marketed skype as the cure for these garbage apps. My friends and I jumped on skype because it was made by the original people that made kazaa, and we thought that was bad ass. We were like 19.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of my friends actually switched over to the Curse app. It was basically Skype 2.0 and honestly we very rarely had any problems with it. Servers were almost never down, call quality was good enough, chat rooms were easily customizable, and if you played WoW you could install your add-ons really easily - all of this for absolutely free. You could subscribe to curse for a few perks that really only applied to people that played WoW.
Then Twitch bought it. At first I was skeptical. They made a few nice improvements. Then they started integrating it with their website. Now it's starting to bloat up, you start basically on their home screen for the website, the app doesn't look near as good as it used to and I'm afraid they are going down the Skype road by adding tons of unnecessary bullshit to something that was already pretty damn good in the first place. It's a damn shame.
ManicLord ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of you cunts are talking about IM and all I use Skype for is video calling.
At least name alternatives, dammit!
CashCop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still prefer TS3 over discord. I would say discord is overrated, but it's free so I get it.
InfSan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've generally found that TS3 is better for voice-focused chat, but discord is more useful for text/image chat. Fortunately my friends and I are of a similar mindset that a lightweight voice only system is the way to go for online games.
CashCop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah agreed, TS3 lacks in that department but I consider it a pro as well. Those chats are usually filled with rubbish anyways.
Senryakku ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:42:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real answer was that skype was a better MSN. I've been using skype since I'm what... 14? That was in 2006. Of course now it's over because discord.
Jpxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still remember using Skype for almost everything. The good old days of year 8 calling friends to join your minecraft server. good memories, bad software.
Tbf I used it for a long time and it used to be much more reliable than it is now (it's totally unusable most of the time these days) and I think a lot of people just didn't know about the alternatives.
Minerex ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 11:05:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Savergn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:07:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier this month, they rolled it out for 40% of the userbase, plus, someone that does have it can still videochat/screenshare with someone that doesn't if they initiate a call. I tested it with a friend a bit ago.
Cal1gula ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:44:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hangouts.
Which is a decent piece of software that Google seems to be trying to kill with Duo/Allo (not decent pieces of software).
redshores ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:46:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is primarily what I use Skype for. I didn't realize so many people use Skype as an IM thing. I guess there's Google Hangouts/duo? Most of the others just have voice, and I'm not sure how long it'll take for discord to roll out video chat/screenshare
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has, I have been using it for a month. Maybe you are running a older build? Or I have beta features enabled.
I think it's only rolled out to like 10% right now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aha I'm sorry to hear that. Honestly videosharing on discord is the best I've used so far, so easy to switch from webcam to desktop. You can share the whole screen or just some windows. Problem is though, you can only share video with one other person, not like in Skype where you could all share video at the same time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aha I'm sorry to hear that. Honestly videosharing on discord is the best I've used so far, so easy to switch from webcam to desktop. You can share the whole screen or just some windows. Problem is though, you can only share video with one other person, not like in Skype where you could all share video at the same time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can share your screen or your webcamera to another person and they can do the same. And the delay between video and audio is really low. Good video quality too
Not really. They're implementing video chat now. And you make groups to which you invite certain people. So you can just have your friends in one group, family in another.
While it was originally made for games, they seized the opportunity to succeed Skype.
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
Taking 4 months to develop dividers for channels isn't a mark against them. It probably wasn't needed for what it was originally intended to do, and since they expanded, they expanded their QoL stuff.
My friends and I were primarily Curse users until the twitch integration started. Then we all jumped to Discord. I still don't like the text channels being separate from the voice channels though.
Er, Skype was two years old when Mumble was first released so it wasn't that much difference.
Yeah but, nobody was using Mumble as widely at that time, Mumble didn't boom until late 2000's
I think MSN also had voice calling at that time.
it did, but it was limited to like, 2 or 3 people only IIRC, and it was owrse than skype.
Plenty of options for communication.
And Skype was the best and easiest one of them at the time. Never heard of xfire or rgr. But vent and TS was used, but not for casual talk while gaming with just a few friends.
Ventrilo and TS was basically the same thing, they both required servers, they weren't VOIP. Skype ws the best at the time because it was super early and it was free. And more stable than MSN, Vent and TS was great because they allowed larger groups of people to talk. Like when raiding in EQ or Wow
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
PA610Sam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess
Did you even use the program for more than a day? The permissions system is dummy-proof, accessible by a right-click and there are infinite options with the fact that they allow user-installed plugins/widgets/bots that literally do things for you on their own. Also, I suggest making sure your channel link is set to not expire or just add your friends to the list of perma members by clicking the settings gear next to channel and adding their names. 2 steps.
If ya'll still have issues then it is likely user-error.......
:D yes I have used it for a year and I fully understand how to use the permissions system. Certainly it is powerful, however it doesnt even let you inherit permissions from previous tiers, and the tile has to be the highest in the list, and the color too.
Did you even use the program for more than a day?
PA610Sam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Have been a moderator on a number of Discord channels for the past 2 years and have also passed permissions down to lower tier members numerous times.
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
Davaca55 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:09:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
auralgasm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What bugs do you experience on Discord? It runs flawlessly for me and WAY better than Skype, especially on my phone. Mobile skype is a laggy disaster and you can only see like 3 messages at a time, whereas mobile Discord is perfect, no waiting like 60 seconds for messages to show up, no squished and ugly UI. I never have any issues with Discord VOIP and I've only used the person-to-person calls a few times but those worked fine too. Usually if someone has issues being heard it's something wrong with their junk and not the client.
With many servers I am in, people have connection issues to the voice chats all the time. They stop being able to talk or hear anything at random intervals. sometimes they need to leave and rejoin, sometimes they need to restart the computer. I get that this probably doesnt happen to everyone but it seems nearly radom who it does happen to
The main thing is that at the moment (for the last month or so) discord has had a bug where it randomly starts using all bandwidth so using the internet at all becomes impossible. Me and 4 of my friends have experienced this now.
samon53 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:01:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sawgon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:21:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We actually use Slack for work. It's a great platform for an office to have and use.
For people who don't know, Slack is basically Discord but with another theme. I think Discord was inspired by Slack. Thing about Discord is you have voice chat channels which don't exist in Slack as far as I know. Unless you pay premium.
Me and a collegue tried convincing people to switch yet we still use skype for bussiness. Someday tho ...
chunyukuo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gets worse. I work for a company that officially switched to Slack but some of our more hidebound teammates are sticking with Skype, so now we have to use both.
anlumo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord doesnโt do as much markdown formatting, which is really annoying for programmer discussions. On Slack, you have a distinct account for every organization, meaning that I have seven different accounts with different passwords with them right now. Logging into a new client in all of them is a real chore.
slack and discord are quite different in the backend if I recall. The frontend, they're both chromium based.
SRTroN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My work is heavily invested into Slack and I use Discord personally. Both are very similar and great for their purposes.
lsiunl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it really depended on your situation back then. There were programs like Teamspeak, Ventrilo, Mumble, Raidcall, and a couple others, particularly for games to have voice com. Skype was mainly used for casual people or for business calls and meetings, which people still do today.
Most people who play games just use Discord now though since itโs much more friendly with its user interface and doesnโt take up that much power, whereas Skype can mess up and end up taking a lot of your performance while playing games.
Ko0osy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aa93 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:16:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slack is taking over now
david0990 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:13:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is probably the best out right now and they are working on adding video calls.
Metrocop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, me and my friend switched over to Skype since Discord suddenly stopped working for us (one of us, or both, wouldn't hear the other and it would require half an hour of restarting discord, resetting the call and othersuch to repair). Curious thing is, it only happens in our calsl, I can talk to people in general voice chats just fine.
Sure you can the phone just has to have the discord app lol. Iโm sure this feature will come though eventually. But now with screen share and video chat I have no reason to use Skype.
So much hate for Skype here. I use Skype for business and it is by far the most reliable video conferencing tool I've used within the last 2 years. Before that it was shit though.
I just switched to a new job that uses several other tools depending on the client and they all have weird quirks and we spend 10 minutes each meeting just trying to get the screen share working properly. No issues with s4b
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:29:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Skype for Business isn't actually Skype. It's Lync with a rebrand. Unlike Skype it also requires at least one dedicated server per organization, which is why the quality is so much higher.
nuocmam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wanted to shut down Skype via Task Manager but couldn't find it. Found Lync though. Yup, that's it. Kill it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this crowd is pretty obviously gamer-centric. I also use S4B constantly and it is heads and shoulders better than the other UC offerings.
_cortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my small startup we used to use discord for everything. Hands down the best and most reliable voice communication tool in the history of ever, despite it gaming branding. We tried everything under the sun, and nothing beat it ... only downside is it has no screen sharing. Not yet anyway, it's supposed to come out soon and some users already have beta access.
Why they haven't yet released a dedicated business product without the gaming branding is beyond me.
Screen sharing and video are essential for business. Also, unified communication functions like presence and IVR are really important. Without that stuff off the shelf they won't even make a dent in Skype's market.
Skype used to have really reliable call functions, related to it's damn well implemented holepunching. Calls being operated on p2p-basis were a problem in combination with natting (read more about that here and if you want to know the technicalities, the RFC3489)
They're not shutting down. If they do not get the required funding, they will just downscale. Sure it isn't great, but it won't die because of it. It's a FOSS project after all, the community can pick it up and continue where the original team left.
phphulk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok chappo, name one that works on every OS, every phone, has video/audio/screen share, and it's free.
I used to use trillian, which had msn, skype, icq and aim all in one, and it was amazing. Then everyone started getting arsey about their apis and stopped allowing third parties to connect. So now I just use WhatsApp.
find me a better videocon on a profesional level such as easy migratable like skype4 business and we talk.
besides cisco UC ofc - which is also awesome
Skype is so bad that MS is even getting rid of Skype For Business
rgname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that it replaced msn messenger!
V0RT3XXX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it a lot because work. It integrates very well with outlook and manage global addresses.
Beals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was a pretty substantial upgrade from Aim at the time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the people I game with use self hosted voip options that use minimal resources, had better quality and better options and we have forever. Then when I started working for companies (often tech companies) and finally finding more PC gamers in the wild that weren't close friends I was happy to get more people to play with andddddddddddddddddddddd they can't work any voip other than Skype and I wanna kill myself.
People actually refused to use other options and talked up Skype like it's some amazing software. "You have skype?????" Eh no thanks.
Personally I don't even use Discord very often. The people who only use Discord aren't people I'm going to game with frequently enough anyway. I think Discord is way better than Skype though.
sur_surly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are so much cleaner IM alternatives.
That's your problem right there. It didn't start as an IM solution. It was a video/audio call solution. It was also the best at it at the time. I could spend many, many hours connected to a friend in Finland. No hiccups, no disconnects, no noise.
Don't use it today, though.
Rxke2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
skype was fantastic functional, cross platform, and just worked. Then it got bought by Microsoft, the rest is history.
aspoels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Discord is awesome, and itโs hard to live without iMessage.
andriask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mobile version is even worse! What a pile of crap.
Use it at work. I really don't understand how MS allows one of their big "cloud" apps to be so bad. There are so many stupid little quirks that drive me nuts with it. I really do hate it. MS Communicator, as simple as it was, felt like a much more robust product.
IMO the video and voice quality is the worst out of any application I've used. Even Steam's built in is better than Skype, I kmow people who swear by it and it just feels diffocult to use with no redeeming factors. On top of all that it acts like malware.
Because we all came from MSN Messenger and have old contacts on here and dont really talk to the people other ways. Thats the reason everyone I know uses it.
badluser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is now the IM communication tool en masse for MS Enterprise software. So this is just them forcing into the consumer side of things.
Yeah, skype got popular because it was actually easy to use and there wasn't mutch bullshit involved, but then microsoft got their hands on it and now it might as well be the bing search bar
OneBigBug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How this ever got popular is beyond my grasp.
It had the best voice processing of any option 10 years ago, and it probably still does. Their CODEC is good, their VAD is good. Discord is only finally sort of catching up, and it's still not quite as good. Their video calling is also pretty top notch.
Unfortunately, the rest of the program is garbage and getting worse. But two of their big fundamentals are really strong.
XMPP is dead. Tox is perpetually unfinished. Signal only works on phones. Mumble doesn't have a good default client. What the hell do you suggest?
JeffCraig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest thing is that MS is now trying to replace Skype with their shit Teams program.
A year from now, when they force remove Skype and force install Teams, everyone is going to be reminiscing about how Skype actually barely worked and how shit Teams is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How this ever got popular is beyond my grasp. There are so much cleaner IM alternatives.
Not really back when it was getting the go-to software. All we had was pretty much MSN, and other pay-to-use non-VOIP services. Skype was the best we had around 5 years ago~
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:54:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
norman_6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was free* phone calls, national and international, and the only game in town in 2006-07
Iroscato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I switched to Discord a year or so back, haven't looked back since.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still use Skype for business related conversations, it's easy to use but lacks features that I think are better on other platforms (like Discord ofc)
It's what we use at work also. The business version seems less bloated at least.
armstrony ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:56:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used Skype for a while because it did seem to be the best for what my friends and I wanted. Then we discovered Discord and never turned back. Discord is hands down the best
I never get these kind of pop-ups. Skype usually updates silently in the background without me noticing.
mukunku ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 11:51:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also doesn't let you turn off updates. It just keeps annoying you until you either give in or the version you have is so far behind that it forces you to update.
God I hated this. Skype did not work on my old laptop unless I used a n older version. Even with automatic updates turned off it would update itself whenever I restarted or fully shutdown my laptop.
openRUSE ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 13:07:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daddy knows best
nullSword ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:53:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you still need skype for some reason, use skype desktop instead of the windows store app. Its still a piece of junk, but it lets you customize a lot more (such as disabling auto-updates).
mukunku ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:55:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am using the desktop actually. I have the auto updates disabled but every time i launch skype i get this
nullSword ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeh, you can't suppress those but you can hit "Not now"
Its not a perfect solution, but its better than nothing.
mukunku ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But like i said, if you do that enough times eventually skype says "your version is too old, you must update to use skype". I was successfully not updating for 5 months until then :P
I mean it might not seem like it. But they are working on the back end. Old versions of skype really just wont work on a technical level. Idk if that's what happens for you. But sometimes you have to update because a change has been made and it just really will not work anymore.
FUTURE10S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:56 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until you get the "Your version of Skype is too outdated, you must update to continue using the application."
Asshai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird an app has different behaviors on different computers. On my laptop, it updates (weekly) without authorization. Sometimes it does so mid-conversation. Hate tuat piece of shit of an app.
I just installed Windows 10 for the first time on my first PC build. You can turn off app updates by going to the Windows store and clicking on the ". . ." next to your account. Then go to settings and move the App Auto Update tick over to OFF.
There's technically 2 Skypes. There's the regular version that everyone knows and loves, that's installed as a download from their website. Then there's the Win10 store version (which I want to say is the version that's being referenced by OP), which is hooked into the Win10 ecosystem and gets all its updates behind the scenes and such.
Saiyoran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 Skype is a piece of shit.
Regular skype I have never had real issues with in the 6 or 7 years I've had using it extensively (almost every day).
bacondev ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you have to install shit on your computer for that? Installing a Facebook program on my computer is the last thing that I'd do to maintain privacy.
I wonder if microsoft offers discounts on services to Squeenix or Namco Bandai..
oh wait..
they do.
catbot4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
+80... But it'll probably never happen.
AtlasDM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:15 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the state of VM pass through these days? A couple years ago things looked promising.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:01 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think more and more companies are going to start realizing how big of a market there is for linux gaming and are going to start developing for linux...at least i hope that's what will happen
Zweiffel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not going to happen overnight though. If most people are waiting for all games to be available on Linux before they make the switch, it won't change anything.
It is a gradual process, which means that as the number of games increases, it will become a viable platform for more users, which is why it's important that we encourage people who don't need every AAA game to give it a try.
It's totally fine if that's not you and Windows is the better gaming platform for you. I just hope that we won't have the dependency on Windows anymore some day.
I played some of the available steam titles on Linux and they seemed to run really well. Itโs certainly viable, but I agree itโll take some time before it really becomes a viable option to adopt Linux as your main platform.
The majority of my library is on Linux. Most indie games are available on Linux. Moreover, people not switching is literally the only reason publishers are allowed to get away with not porting. If you, in good faith, want to use Linux, stop talking about how you 'would' switch and actually do it.
EDIT: If you'd like help switching, the manual has gotten a lot friendlier for certain distros (eg, Ubuntu), there's a lot of us who'll go out of our way to help, and there's a few places you can buy technical support from.
El_Hoxo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually considering buying a cheap laptop and installing Ubuntu on it
Hell, you don't even have to completely migrate away from Windows. Just dual boot and have Steam installed on Linux as well so it registers as a Linux user. Win-win: Not prohibited from playing certain games not on Linux, and you're still helping the cause for people that are strictly Linux.
ich852 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Ubuntu on my laptop and play my Linux compatible games on it but I'm not gonna cut my gaming PCs balls off by going linux only on it.
Tygrak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, it will probably take a long time before I can completely remove windows, good that dual booting works pretty good.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really my job to help Linux though, I just want to play games and Windows is where the games are. If they were on Linux too I'd be there.
OK, I can see you didn't read my comment. A large portion of games are already on Linux, and the only way to get the holdouts to port would be to create more demand for it by switching, which you should be doing anyway if you, in good faith, want to run Linux anyway.
No, you're both making valid points. Maybe a large portion of the games you play are available on Linux, but in my case exactly zero of the games I'm currently playing are available natively on Linux.
I'm annoyed enough with Windows 10 to switch but right now it would be just as much of an annoyance to have to run some of the Windows games/software I use in a VM.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:27 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but I don't play many indie games, I just want to play the games I want to play which aren't on Linux.
I'm not going to bother if the games aren't already on there. I don't care enough to inconvenience myself that much to create demand for an operating system. It's not my job, I just want to play video games. When it's viable I'll do it.
So many people have the same stance, I'm just explaining it.
I'm still surprised there's no linux distro that emulates windows without loss of performance, you know do everything the same way but just don't add in the bullshit on top of it
my biggest problem with skype is that it doesn't fucking close when you press the cross, you have to stop the process. it's owned by windows for fucks sake, the same guys that made the fucking cross to begin with
It's not your fault for not knowing. It's their fault for deliberately deviating from how 99% of Windows supplications work and for no reason other than to make it more challenging for your average user to actually close.
Skype isn't unique in that. I'm with you that I prefer if I X it, it should close down. But stuff like Afterburner, Anti-virus, firewalls, qbittorrent, all of those just either close the window/minimize while still running.
Shimetora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to break the circlejerk, but Discord does this too. As do like, y'know, just about every app of its kind. Can we criticize Skype for what it actually does wrong instead of this bs? Off the top my head, I can't even think of one social software that doesn't minimize to tray.
xxfay6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's talking about the old style desktop app (which works like every desktop chat app ever). The Metro one (the one in this post) can't be closed like that, you do need to close the process.
I thinks that's actually a really useful feature since I hardly ever want to close I just want it out of the way, this allows me to do that really fast.
iothel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet there are people who think i (or we) are overreacting, but if there is one thing that i can't stand, it's when a program does something that i don't want. Like when you fuck around on a sketchy sites and it messes with your programs, i'd rather spend an hour to completely throw windows out and set it up from scratch. But this shit already comes with windows for some reason. At least i never installed it, but keep finding it every now and then.
MK234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if there is one thing that i can't stand, it's when a program does something that i don't want
Ponkers ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 13:07:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your first mistake was getting the store version. Go to skype.com and get the desktop version downloaded instead.
mustysoda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nice because Chrome and Firefox cannot display 1080p whole the desktop app can. My only gripe is how you can't easily find your "My List" and recently watched. The only way around is using Edge, which can play 1080p
Same here, everytime I install windows 10 on a machine, it's auto installed.
I'm seriously debating going back to Windows 8 because of this type of thing. Despite my attempts, Cortana and The, WinStore won't ever die. It drives me nuts :(
Ponkers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you both might be right, but I never signed into it so it never bugged me.
eddieltu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:40:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
desktop version is even worse, last time i used it it had ads
Ponkers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:43:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have anything like that though. I haven't used skype for a while, but I blocked the ads by putting a couple of urls to my hosts file. I think Spybot antibeacon might do the same thing.
LeonimuZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or don't get the Desktop version at all and use web.skype.com. The desktop version seems to be just a wrapper for it anyways.
That's his second mistake. His first mistake was using Windows to begin with.
Summy_99 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:34:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Microsoft's way of dealing with people not using their products. "Rather than improve our shitty software, we'll just make it impossible to avoid!" Genius.
Tbh, the moment Discord went public, Teamspeak, Mumble, Ventrilo etc... all gone.
Especially with non-tech-savvy family and friends, just email them a perma-link, they click it and the browser does everything for them.
SwishDota ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:13:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord completely changed the VOIP game on a level I've yet to see.
I used to have Mumble, TS, Skype, Vent and Curse clients on my computer that I would use regularly for my various gaming groups or depending on what game I was playing. But now? It's Discord or bust. There's no reason not to use Discord in place of the old software except arrogance.
I could see the purpose of say TeamSpeak if you want to have your own server that you can really customize/admin to your own liking and maybe even run from your own home.
But the scripting possibilities of Discord's API are growing so fast that even that could be questioned as to whether it's worth it.
clubby37 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:27 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no reason not to use Discord
That's mostly true, but TS has some niche plugins that aren't available for Discord.
reichbc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:31 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord IS the replacement. They're adding screensharing and video in the very near future (already released it to some 10% of users) so Skype is going to be completely phased out.
Victolabs ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:17:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc it's now 40% of users. And you get it instantly if you buy nitro
toddu1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I believe itโs 40% now.
Edit: oh somebody already said this, sorry.
FROXII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currently I use Skype with my friends because it's more convenient (one friend doesn't have a mic so he uses his phone until he's getting a mic, discord won't pick up the mic so we've just resigned to using Skype until he has a mic. Once he has a mic and screensharing is added, I'm probably going to close Skype for good.
AkaruSan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:29 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can discord share audio sound when playing a movie file from screenshare?
Matrix IM protocol has everything Skype has but better, is free, is federated, and is gratis.
twonks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with video chat and what have you theres gonna be no real reason to use skype over discord, other than for people who refuse to switch. discord has (or rather will have when the update is complete, another person mentioned this) everything skype has, and then some. it even has a light theme for if you want to blind yourself like with skype. also the way servers work, its incredibly easy to make new internet friends, rather than having to meet people elsewhere and then add them on skype. i know for a fact my social life has been drastically improved by discord and i mean it when i say some of my best friends ive ever had ive met on that app. could not appreciate that thing more, i can only hope it doesnt go to shit any time soon.
They just completely remade Skype btw. Check out the Beta. I still think it is worse than other alternatives
[deleted] ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 13:54:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this, this is unacceptable. I can't believe I spent my childhood defending Microsoft in the YouTube comment sections, only for them to go and do this shit to the last great accessible operating system.
Your fault for defending a big company, no matter how many people want to do good in it it only takes one jerkoff with a baby project or a hard on for "improvements from last quarter" to ruin a product
One of the big causes of all the bullshit these days is the "constant improvement" they teach in business classes, wich force developers to add unnecessary features and change perfectly usefull interfaces just to make bussy
I used to be hardcore pro microsoft for ever because i hate and still hate apple products and fanboys like i have a phobia. But im also a long time daily skype user andni absolutely hate the garbage it is.
Weetile ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would definetely switch to Linux if it had more compatibility.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:37:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Weetile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Software. You can't run any Adobe software, half of the most popular Steam games, any Blizzard game, etc.
Dual boot is still 1/2 Windows 10. Which is to much.
Zawaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about QEMU/KVM? that might work (if you have 2 graphic cards) I really wanted to try it myself, but I want to also be able to play on linux and not just windows (Intel Integrated Graphics + GTX970)
Weetile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's cool you guys have laws on the books, and I've seen Germany go after particular offenders.
But, as a dude who lives in Europe, of course Spyware/intrusive apps exist here.
Dual boot is your friend. Leave Windows for gaming, and use Linux for work.
auron_py ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:42:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried it for a while, after some time I just end up booting the OS that let's me do both.
lilcosco ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:42:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but win10 doesn't have wobbly windows
DSMcGuire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the answer.
Windows is for gaming.
Ubuntu is for everything else.
Seriously people, it takes probably one whole minute to switch over operating systems and you don't have to deal with the BS as seen from this thread.
AtomicFlx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you don't have to deal with the BS as seen from this thread.
Except you do. Thats what dual boot means. Not only do you get the BS of windows, you get all the BS of whatever linux you pick. Thats the thing. If I already have windows for gaming, then why use something else for productivity when windows also does productivity.
Fix gaming on linux and I'll switch. Until then I'll stick with windows 7
DSMcGuire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not here to convince you to do anything.
If I don't want a program on Linux it's gone, that's clearly not the case with Windows.
If I already have windows for gaming, then why use something else for productivity when windows also does productivity.
Because you don't deal with MS bullshit, like this thread. Defend all you want you can't escape the Windows BS.
Fix gaming on linux and I'll switch.
Sure I'll get right on it telling developers to stop making games with DirectX.
It's already there. Nvidia cards have one click installers on Ubuntu and Solus (probably others, but those two stick out to me), and AMD cards and Intel integrated don't even need drivers if you run a recent kernel. Ubuntu, Fedora, and Solus also have super easy Steam install steps (using a GUI for people terrified of the terminal) - and the nice thing about Steam games on Linux is that they just work. On any distro, once you get Steam installed, all games downloaded through Steam "just work" - no annoying VC++/VC#/DirectX installer or any crap like that; you just download it and it runs.
Stop saying "fix gaming" - it is fixed. Now that Vulkan is out, switching to Linux should be easier, but people aren't telling devs not to use DX12 and UWP.
I've said this a hundred times: Please, at the very least tell devs and publishers to use Vulkan. If you do that, Linux will become a fully viable option even for the people who can't be arsed to learn a new thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I game exclusively on Linux and I just can't agree with this. Every single game install requires running LDD on the binary and manually linking libraries to the right place.
What? On every major distro I've used that's been unnecessary for Steam games. Valve rolls their own runtime by default.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On every non-Ubuntu distro, step one of making Steam work at all is to remove the runtime. It's "Steam for Ubuntu" in my opinion, other distros being able to use it is just a happy side-effect. Then there's Solus OS which does it all for you which is nice, but it would be nicer if Steam was just compatible in the first place.
I've been using Fedora since 19 and I've not yet run into a game that won't run when launched through Steam runtime.
bliblio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This โ
Thank you for the informations.
AtomicFlx ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:09:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already there.
Why do people like you spread this lie? Gaming on linux is not there. I have tried. Assuming the games launch at all, they run like shit.
Yes I concede. There are a few games that have been designed for linux but this myth that gaming is 100% on linux is just a lie. I dont want just a few games, I want all of my games, and I want them all without wasting time dicking around with code.
Why do people like you spread this lie? Gaming on linux is not there. I have tried.
Oh I see, so when I run games on Linux almost every day I'm lying now?
Assuming the games launch at all, they run like shit.
Do enlighten me which games you've tried.
I want them all without wasting time dicking around with code.
I'm not the one lying here, bub. You are.
For the uninformed: In no way are you going to be mucking about with code to get your games to run in Linux just as much as you would Windows. Games are closed source (couple exceptions, but you get the point). The person I'm responding to is very clearly talking out their ass.
AtomicFlx ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you claim I can run every game in my library from 1987's Space Quest 2 Vohaul's Revenge, all the way to the soon to be released Star wars Battlefront 2 and EVERY game in between without a single hiccup or problem? All of my hardware will install flawlessly, my sound card will use all its features, my video card will be 100%, My raid array will not need anything special, my NIC will just magically work, all my mouse buttons will work and be programmable, and both my printers, 3d and 2d will just plug and play?
That's not feasible and you know it. Realistically, we should be pushing devs to move away from DX12 and UWP and towards Vulkan and native Linux support. That will bring Linux up to parity for new games.
Besides, you can't even play all games natively in Windows(DOS games, games broken on modern Windows, console exclusives), so your point doesn't make sense.
/r/PCMasterRace/wiki/guide - A fancy little guide that systematically tears apart the relevancy of modern consoles (you can just emulate all the old ones for free!) and explains why PC is superior in every way. Share it with the corners of the internet until there are no more peasants left to argue with. All you need to do is print out the exact URL I did and reddit will handle the hyperlink on its own!
If you use Nvidia, then desktop graphics drivers are now as easy as adding the PPA, and selecting the drivers you want under 'additional drivers'. That last part is for Ubuntu, but there are equivalents in other distros. Then you can forget about it, and go on with your life.
With laptops, you can do the same thing, but integrated graphics will not work.
As far as games go, anything dx9 usually works pretty well. Planetside 2, EVE, and minecraft are 90% of what I play anyways.
macetero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:11:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wine exist, it works really well
let me stop you right there fam
gaming is mostly a nightmare when the game isnt properly supported, and good luck playing new titles.
auron_py ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't read the rest of that sentence.
macetero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i did.
the thing is, its qay more common to have issues with games on it than not.
TIL Arch is the Jehovah's Witness of Linux distributions.
IKLeX ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:47:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if people hate Arch, it has a place in my heart. Countless times have I googled my problems and in most cases an article of the Arch wiki showed up as a result. I thought about giving it a shot, but I am propably better of with Ubuntu, since it is widely used, and sometimes the officially supported Distro of certain Programs.
lilcosco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Gentoo
z_plash ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Installed linux
No problem of skype
because no X environment
because no network cnnection
kybord not always god typihng
had to donload kernel drivers and recompile
This is the PCMR equivalent of "PCs are hard and full of viruses!"
Anyone saying it clearly hasn't used Linux and is talking out their ass.
Ocean_22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:15:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with this so much.
I've used Linux exclusively for about a year now, and I use my PC a lot.
I've compiled something from source ONCE. It was a very obscure FOSS game, of which had no windows executable. Compiling software from source is simply not something every Linux user has to do, it's daft to suggest it. Everything is on the repo, and if what you want isn't there you get it with PPA. It's
easier than windows, if anything.
Compiling from source is very not trivial, and I don't know why it gets thrown around a whole lot. Even having to install random packages from some random site is getting rarer and rarer. Between the AUR, Fedora CORPR, and Ubuntu's PPAs it's getting easier and easier to install non-officially supported software.
AtomicFlx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh how wrong you are. I spent a day making my damn brother printer work and it still doesn't work right. When compiling is involved, which it was, to get a printer to work then Linux has a LONG way to go.
I would be surprised if you actually knew how to compile CUPS, or what that even means.
Of course, that's a trick statement. You probably don't even compile your printer driver because I highly doubt your printer manufacturer released the source code of its driver.
AtomicFlx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You were in the room when I was trying to get an old third party driver code to work? You exactly know what I did at home to get my printer to work? How very NSA-ish of you to know with absolute certainty what I did and didn't do.
"Are you sure you want to close Skype?"
<yes>
"You won't be able to receive messages. Are you really sure?"
<yes>
"C'mooooon."
<right click, close window>
"I'll just go ahead and stay open a few minutes in case you change your mind."
Thaurane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'm gonna be doing the next big update. Paint is getting moved to the store, which i fucking hate. The only reason it is getting moved is it's "outdated" which is a completely bullshit reason when it is still so popular.
CYRIAQU3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For what i've been reading it seems we'll just have to pirate it, block all known microsoft connections in our router and become a spy for the NSA in order to not be fucked over
xr3llx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:51:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that script is that it's nuclear. Just doing a cursory glance at the stuff it does:
Disables Windows update. "I'll keep it up to date myself." It disables notifications about available updates too. Calls disabling Windows update entirely "optimizing."
Disables some services that have nothing to do with Telemetry or bloat (e.g. NetTcpPortSharing, SharedAccess, RemoteAccess).
Disables Defender, which you can do by installing another AV.
I don't trust this script at all. If something advertises that it removes bloat, it should remove bloat and nothing else.
Meior ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 12:49:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you live in the US. From what I can gather on Reddit, most of these things only apply in the US because of a lack of consumer protection laws, meaning that companies are allowed and able to abuse their customers far wider.
Downvote away. If you can though, prove me wrong. This isn't criticism or making fun of anyone. It's just an observation.
Dd_8630 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 13:12:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I live in the UK and I've never seen any of the things I see on Reddit - updates wait indefinitely till I click 'update', nothing came pre-installed except bare-bones OS, never seen an ad outside of my browser, etc. Windows 10 is excellent software, it's just US consumer laws that are borked.
Windows 10 is excellent software, it's just US consumer laws that are borked.
The fact that the EU doesn't let it get away with [the more obvious of] its schemes doesn't make Microsoft any less nefarious. Refusing to support it at all is still a better response.
KairuByte ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:27:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comment was that Windows 10 is excellent software, not that Microsoft is an angel.
You can trust a company to do anything legal that will make them money. It's what they do. It's what they are supposed to do. If you think about it, it's the point of a company, and you should not be surprised. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but it's reality.
The problem comes when legislation is based on "the consumer will force them to be good", insinuating that somehow millions of users are going to just stop using Windows to force Microsoft to change. Or stop buying PC's because they all have bloatware installed. Or cut internet because their provider blocks YouTube. It's just not feasible.
The comment was that Windows 10 is excellent software, not that Microsoft is an angel.
Excellent software is trustworthy. Software made by an untrustworthy entity cannot be trustworthy. Since Windows is made by Microsoft and Microsoft is untrustworthy, Windows cannot be excellent software. QED.
You can trust a company to do anything legal that will make them money.
That's why I tend to prefer software made by entities that are not [for-profit] companies.
The problem comes when legislation is based on "the consumer will force them to be good", insinuating that somehow millions of users are going to just stop using Windows to force Microsoft to change. Or stop buying PC's because they all have bloatware installed. Or cut internet because their provider blocks YouTube. It's just not feasible.
True; I'm definitely not opposed to better consumer protection laws!
KairuByte ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:42:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent software is trustworthy. Software made by an untrustworthy entity cannot be trustworthy. Since Windows is made by Microsoft and Microsoft is untrustworthy, Windows cannot be excellent software. QED.
I don't think this is necessarily the case. If protections are in place, you can still get an excellent piece of software. And if you have the ability after the fact to remove the bloat, I'd still argue that it's excellent software, just not out of the box. In the case of Windows 10, you can run a script to cut out all the crap that bogs it down, and you get the shiny diamond that is underneath it.
That's why I tend to prefer software made by entities that are not [for-profit] companies.
Believe me, this tag means nothing. Not for profit is just a fancy way of saying "we got around tax code!" lately, IF they are even a true not for profit. Yes, there are plenty of legit not for profits, but there are a large number where the CEO somehow manages to live in a mansion pulling in an 8 figure income.
True; I'm definitely not opposed to better consumer protection laws!
If protections are in place, you can still get an excellent piece of software.
Maybe, but the only sufficient protection I can think of would be being able to read and audit the source code.
That's why I tend to prefer software made by entities that are not [for-profit] companies.
Believe me, this tag means nothing. Not for profit is just a fancy way of saying "we got around tax code!" lately, IF they are even a true not for profit.
I only included the part in square brackets so as not to disqualify organizations like Mozilla. Otherwise, there is plenty of software that is made by groups that aren't "companies" at all but who are instead loose networks of hobbyists and volunteers.
KairuByte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but the only sufficient protection I can think of would be being able to read and audit the source code.
Yes and no. I'd be willing to assume that they wouldnt want the legal battle and fees that would come with breaking customer protection laws. I'm also not a large believer that open source makes things safer than closed.
It seems like you're saying As long as a corporation doesn't shit in my backyard, they're O.K. by me.
Example: Nestle, Inc. has never shit in my backyard - but I still have a negative impression of this company. They empty local water supplies, bottle it and ship it. They've never done this in my home town - but I still recognize dirty tactics when I see them.
So...should only we blame the laws? Or should we also expect that corporations be expected to behave in an ethical manner and hold them to a basic standard of decency?
Dd_8630 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:22:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying that proper consume laws are effective and protecting the consumer, as demonstrated by good practices in Europe and poor practices in the US.
My experience in Slovenia has been the same so far. People complained about updates restarting their PCs without permission, and various programs being deleted, defaults being reset, ads in the start menu, ads in the lock screen, ads in pop up notifications etc etc. Meanwhile I am sitting here wondering what everyone is complaining about, the closest I've seen to that is the little "want more like these?" Message about the lock screen picture and yes, I do want more like those. None of this happened even with the "refresh" updates, everything was always left as it was. Thank god for the EU I guess.
Reynbou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah same here in Australia. I've only ever once seen these pre-installed apps and that was once when installing Win10 using default US location and settings.
Seems to be a thing that only affects the Americans. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Stoner95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also in the UK. I see adds to things on the windows app store on my start menu. But in those situations I'm either about to log off or begin typing to find something.
Besides that Windows 10 has been OK I guess, nothing about it has improved for the average Joe since 7.
Enverex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the UK and I've seen a lot of the Ads and such people complain about. Not sure how the targets are decided.
Meior ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:13:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. But it's also popular on Reddit to hate on Windows 10, so you'll mostly get downvoted for saying it.
God forbid I hold a company responsible for their actions instead of anything any and every thing that can make them a buck. I guess I can't be upset at anyone cheating in their loved one. It's not against the law, so why should I expect someone to not sleep with anyone they can?
Dd_8630 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:14:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can be angry at both: Microsoft for doing something unethical (even though it's legal), and at your government for keeping these activities legal.
And people wonder why I still use Windows 7. Because of this. Supposedly there are some of these functions in 7 already, but 10 is really going for gold in how Microsoft owns your home computer. It's simply not tolerable.
Caton101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are filled with absurd examples too, such as classifying Appleโs software as โmalwareโ because Apple Music subscribers have access to more data than non-subscribers (OMG, paying gives access to more data, who wouldโve known!)
Those pages actively contribute to removing all meaning from the term โmalwareโ. If anything and everything is malware, nothing is malware.
I've been reading up on the website you provided, and the way the guy who created it keeps throwing the same comment but in different words over and over again leaves a sour taste
I mean i get it, microsoft's being really shit about forcing people to move into w10 but the dude didn't keep it to a single bulletpoint, he repeated that same argument about 15 times
You can easily bootload most android phones into whatever version of android you want, with or without the whole "entirety of their lives" being sent to google
I personally do, but its not like I have to. I'm sure the phone will be able to make/receive calls perfectly fine without 10 different IM apps and useless OEM shit.
So can a flip phone, but calling and texting isn't the reason people buy smart phones, is it?
nlofe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you don't use any google apps. Or any apps for that matter?
F-Droid is full of apps that any sort of telemetry is easily disabled. I still use Google services but the option is there.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 12:53:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can easily install what ever version of Windows you want on most PCs too....
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:56:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:01:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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moozaad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:14:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also community patches to bypass the CPU check as well. The check is completely arbitrary and doesn't do anything but gatekeeping to force people on to MS latest malware OS.
Aaay there it is. Just use linux for all those games. Just use WINE game run fine trust me. Linux is easy to setup and get working. Ignore the fact that Nvidia poorly supports linux.
openRUSE ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:56:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ignore the fact that Nvidia poorly supports linux.
what makes you say that? just because GeForce experience isn't available or? Historically nvidia has had some of the best drivers available for linux. AMD's very recently caught up with them but before then, if you wanted decent drivers on linux you went with nvidia.
robdouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's unfortunate they don't. I have a buddy who loves his windows phone and is able to do some pretty cool things with his setup and works from home in IT. I won't go for it because it lacks so much of the apps/versatility I can get with my android and my wife loves her Iphone, but if it had taken off, and you could get the apps you can elsewhere, I would honestly think about changing over.
Markussim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:45:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The operating system has more control over your computer then you have, they force you into upgrading to Windows 10 by making newer CPUs incompatible with Windows 7 and 8 and they used a backdoor in widows to put the windows upgrading software on your computer (And that software was basically malware too because it was hard to cancel it). That's about it
On the Malware list - MS forces users to have a backup of their encryption key in the event of failure. Provides users with 3 options: print, save on USB, or Backup to your cloud account. The inclusion of option 3 is the reason it's considered malware.
Also the option to backup your encryption key is deemed a "back door"
Everything Win10 is bloatware, I figured out how it works, new OS comes out, people try to explain how it's better than the older stabler one, I upgrade, get stuck with shitty OS, people deny it and it's many failings for years, I finally get it the way I want, new OS that's "finally better than Windows 8/Vista/WindowsMe/Windows98"
There wasn't a win 9 so we skipped the stable OS and went straight into the Vista of this decade. Anyone with win7 hold your OS with tender loving care for as long as you can, be the XP sp3 holdouts!
Gl33D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or run windows 8.1 with classic shell! Its essentially windows 7 with just a few minor improvements and longer support
Depending on the windows 10 date of install (build number of 10)
Some came and still come with "Skype Preview",
This was renamed a view months ago to Skype. It's the UWP version of Skype.
If you had the old x32 Skype installed... Well you officially had 2 Skype installs. You might want to remove it twice next time :/
It's like the "Get Office" App. It's a shortcut to download the full thing.
Very easy to uninstall.
But this sub upvotes everything anti windows and pro discord.
My parents are using Skype daily because it's mobile version is much better (than discord) and has video chat. It's quality sucks sometimes, yes. But until discord gets video chat to everybody including mobile it's still Skype or Hangout.
(I don't know if I want to trust in Google to suddenly break hangout or it's UI. Relearning and teaching my parents every year / holiday is so much fun /s)
And don't come with FaceTime... Apple did something weird to their QoS and it's protocol won't send anything understandable. I don't even know what part of their dozens of ports and what kind of protocols I have to prioritize... #mandatoryAppleRant
The visible (emote picture in notification) childish way of treating their user-base in recent versions of OS and Skype is just astonishing and dreadful. It's like they're trying to be idiot-proof user-friendly (with pretended happy friendliness) very hard nowadays at the expense of important and crucial informations like for example, rich error or software updates descriptions.
Hell, other companies seems to be doing same thing - Firefox acts like their user-base constitute only of kids and thus, Mozilla serves a cute/funny pictures around their browser informational pages.
As for Skype itself, since it landed in MS hands, I feel not safe using it and I'm trying not to.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love everyone blaming Skype for this, even though this update is triggered by Windows. (Even more certain about this by the fact you need to remove a package in terminal to get rid of it)
Tip for the future: When a program reinstalls itself, it's either malware, or your operating system installed it on its own.
Maybe you'd understand that this sub is used by some very silly people
Edit: I mean i got downvoted for saying that windows would totally be willing to leave bloatware behind after using a tool that is supposed to remove bloatware
Now, don't get me wrong. At first I thought Discord was overrated but... holy shit. It's functionality, optimisation, even the loading screen texts are awesome!
Indeed, but there's no reason to believe they don't, not claiming I know everything about discord but how else does a voip service make ends meet with no apparent income.
I tried to, the notification was "above" the space ShareX could snap.
I'm surprised that it took this long for people to realize it...
I did make a comment, but when I reached 1k karma and it was still at 1 point, I just removed it to save on the awkwardness. Seriously, posters should be able to make sticky comments, at the very least on link posts.
Terakahn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:43:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't even opened it since I started using discord
Avast is bloatware as well. I had it on my pc and used the official removal tool from their website to remove it. It worked and it was all good for a while, I needed to create a guest account on the same pc and when it was created, avast was running somehow.
Dellphox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have skype since some of my friends refuse to move to discord, but I prefer to get the desktop version over the app
IIRC, you probably have two versions of Skype. One is baked right into Windows 10 like a mobile app, and the other is a desktop program you install traditionally.
I'm not sure if the pre-loaded one can actually be removed.
Oh absolutely, I'm not arguing that, just that windows can be pretty bad about it (no I don't want Candy crush, take the hint and quit reinstalling it)
mike2k24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve seriously started to hate Skype over the years. One of the most annoying things is how slow it is, and how it doesnโt actually close when you press the X. You have to hit โQuit Skypeโ just to close that annoying piece of shit. Discord is 10x better.
FROXII ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NekoiNemo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:35:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no shit. Now go and explain that some "kiddie unknown app" is better than Skype to the enterprise sector people.
LeJoker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is not for business. Slack or Teams fills that role in a corporate environment.
NekoiNemo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's even better: "hey, can you register in this app and join our team's server on this channel?". Right, so many clients would do that with joy /s
LeJoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are you talking about? Tons of businesses use Slack and Teams.
NekoiNemo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are YOU talking about? Lots of developer teams and businesses use it. However in most cases they still interact with clients through Skype because latter refuse to change their habits.
Discord is rolling out video chat slowly. It will be HUGE in the future, and I hope they won't fuck it up by selling their service to some gigantic shitty company like Skype did with Microsoft.
NekoiNemo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the point. The point is that "enterprise" people are so rigid that it would take a decade of market dominance by Discord/Slack for them to even start considering moving to it, regardless of how shitty Skype is
Yeah we'll see. In the information age, these rules don't really apply. Plenty of sites/online services have absolutely destroyed their competition in a few years' time.
Tried to (as you can see, ShareX was open), the notification was either protected or just "above" the snapable layer.
Ultra_HR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please note this MIGHT not be deliberate.
The Windows Store is REALLY bad at figuring out what apps need to be updated. Once an app has been queued for updating, even if you subsequently uninstall the app, once the update queue starts the app will be updated - or re-installed if it is not present at all.
The Store often queues updates a day or two in advance and then installs them in batches. This is probably what happened here.
Or maybe Microsoft really did think it was a good idea to forcefully re-install Skype for people who uninstalled it. They've done less logical things in the past.
Highborne ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Windows Store is REALLY bad
Yes
ddosn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:25:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Linux fanboys yet again pushing for people to switch to Linux.
Yes, we get it Linux is pretty good sometimes. But most distros are clunky as all hell, or have at best marginal improvements over Windows. There are also the oftentimes bizarre changes made that then get changed again next update and so on and so forth. Ubuntu is infamous for this. The only Linux distros I like are Mint, Debian and Redhat/Fedora, the latter two are designed around IT engineering, servers and programming and are useless for normal PC usage.
I should know, I've used most of them. In my line of work, Linux is unavoidable.
I used to use Linux on a super old computer and it was great for what I needed it for. Made my athalon x2 based system run like a dream but it was a huge hassle compared to windows. I just want an easy os these days
I put Internet Explorer's files in a desktop older titled "time out" and restricted access to it from the entire system. I can't get to it and neither can my computer.
Ran into this with Avast the other day. Uninstalled and restarted, but upon restart there seemed to be some issues and windows would lock up and give me an error screen saying one of my data drives was faulty! And this somehow affected the boot?
Maybe if the last time I installed Windows I had this drive attached during the install process, but I didn't, so boot files weren't the issue. Anyhow, there was still a remnant of Avast left which was trying to revive itself because it thought the Windows uninstall process was a threat to be dealt with. Apparently Avast has a special tool for removal.
Continued to have lock up and boot issues even after using the tool. Figured out which internal storage drive was causing the fault and yarked it. Later checked this on a bench caddy and ran WD Lifeguard Diagnostics and low and behold many many bad sectors. Coincidental?
First time I have ever heard of a failing data (that had zero boot files on it) drive borking the Windows operating system. SFC /scannow showed many corrupted files that it repaired and many it apparently could not.
Am I the only one that likes both Windows 10 and Skype. Btw i use the desktop version not the win10 app, apparently i cannot receive calls from normal skype to the win10 app.
Its software that people rarely use, but it is forced onto a device or computer for really, arbitrary reasons. It also slows down a computer, and you can't uninstall it
You can using PowerShell, but not through the UI. It'll probably be reinstalled with windows updates too
r4ndxm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:11:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll probably be reinstalled with windows updates too
Cause Windows is stupid with feature updates. It's literally installing a whole OS, storing the old one (Windows.old) and not retaining lots of settings. Not other OSes like Android, where data is separated from system.
Was it actually installed though? I get old notifications from programs every now and again. Maybe the notification tray re-sent that notification, with it originally being sent after the update installed at some point. Windows 10 notifications are absolute garbage. I've turned them off altogether.
bakteria ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:05:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bakteria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. It'll sink in eventually
Ark161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote because PCMR doesn't understand that W10+ is no longer a fundamental OS but is SaaS; Software as a service. It is now functionally no different than any other piece of software you own.
bakteria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like everything about Windows 10 was bloatware. I happily downgraded to Windows 7.
MrBomber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I has always been bloatware, ever since they decided that the "X" button doesn't apply to them. Not sure why voice companies are so anal about the X button, even discord.
ST00PKlD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm guessing they have had too many issues with people accidentally hanging up calls while attempting to minimize or maximize their Skype session.
Kalka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, and Skype may as well be a fucking malware, because it has terrible network security and anyone can grab your IP address even if you're not in a call.
Oh you want to change the default? Are you sure you want to switch! You sure you don't want to stay with Edge, it's maaaaaddddeeee for Win 10!! You'll love it!
Seriously Edge is fine but the way they try to push it on you and create unique pop-ups when you try to change the default from Edge to any other browser is absurd.
FaIc0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone know any good alternatives to Skype? I've tried Discord but it's such a laggy program. Everyone's mics cut in and out and the next 5 mins is ppl just saying "What?". Even pro esports teams have dropped Discord as a sponsor because of how bad it is.
Steeva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sure about that? I haven't had any problems with discord, and the few issues I did have were due to my own shitty internet connection.
FaIc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:53 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and my connection is good too. I never had any problems with Discord but after an update a few months ago everyone in my group has noticed lag or mic's cutting out. I uninstalled it a few weeks ago and stuck with Skype until I find something else.
Steeva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:55 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well in that case, Curse chat is really good. I think they renamed it at some point but it should be easy to find.
my friends didnt wanted to move too, so i started giving excuses like skype is lagged for me, now every single one of them havent touched skype for months
corfish77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell them skype is bloatware
Zanthous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from south America, they probably focus this stuff in the us only
Anbar48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
Carr0t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It keeps asking me to update to that horrible all-in-one window thing. I have all my chat apps as thin columns on my secondary monitor, and they open up actual chats in separate windows on my primary monitor. Until the new Skype allows me to undock chat windows Iโm staying on the old version.
Problem is Iโm going to upgrade sometime, and I donโt think I still have the old installer...
Snowey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that background webpage from anywhere, I'm spending roo much time in it. Have fun in Netacad bud.
RonUSMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a spam phone call at 5am this morning from someone named "hot debbie". . obviously blasting through my speakers and waking me up. It took about 4 minutes in my haziness to figure out how to put on DND.
skype is weird despite the version or os. Had it uninstalled from my android phone only to get asked a few days later why i'm always online in skype. Turns out, despite being uninstalled it ran continuously as background app.
illpoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
skype is terrible. i wish i didn't have to have it to talk to some of my friends/coworkers
We rely on the business edition as our main communication means at work. Lync phones, skype IM, skype meetings, etc. I donโt mind the business version as it seems to be fairly unobtrusive (I assume that enterprise admins donโt want the garbage-ware on domain PCโs) but I hate Skype for very different reasons... like trying to get it to work in virtual desktop environments for a client who does a lot of media consumption at the same time and donโt want to pay for faster internet :|
Merdy1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed this too: my work computer was a new, out of box HP Prodesk all-in-one that I was issued by the IT department when I started in business sales, and which I promptly upgraded to Windows 10. Well, I didn't even install Skype, but there it is, syncing with personal convos all the time. It's driving me nuts!
Though...I mean technically? Facebook was a bloatware app on my LG G6 when I got it too (came pre-installed and not removeable without root access). If it wasn't an app I would have installed anyway, I'd have been extremely annoyed too. I suppose it's based on context and in fairness to Microsoft they probably include Skype for seamless communication purposes...especially if the users who would benefit most from its pre-inclusion are folks like mom, dad, grandpa and that tech-illiterate coworker we all have who buys Apple everything because "Android has too many options." :P
I'm only slightly bothered by the fact that you have ShareX (a screen capture and auto-uploading software) installed and yet you took a photograph of this :P
OhHiGCHQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rip Skype
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
perdair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is "officially" going to suffer the same fate as "literally"?
Ark161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....Literally
Ruidan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is my friends and I all exclusively used Skype while we game. We switched to Discord 2 months ago and never looked back. Skype is such shit.
x64L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Gentoo
Dennidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sick and tired of either my PC, or Windows 10. I can't put my finger on where the problem is, I'm suspecting either my GPU is taking a dump, or Windows 10 is losing its mind. It keeps randomly freezing and bluescreening for seemingly no reason with seemingly random intervals, I have no idea how to troubleshoot it.
Wanna buy a new PC soon but I'm scared Windows 10 is going to do its ghosty crap on there too and I'll lose the patience with W10, but I also don't really want to go back to W7 now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like windows 10 and a driver issue. I had similar random problems - turns out W10 was trying to auto-install drivers which kept conflicting (or already had installed them).
Dennidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I actually checked the windows logs a few times and it said something about drivers not being launched or something I think.
You know a fix?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, if you know the specific driver you could uninstall all drivers for it (in control panel and device manager) and hope Windows 10 driver works.
Personally, I went back to Windows 7. I couldn't be doing with losing work because of random blue screens.
Dennidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sadly I don't know which driver it is, I'll try to find it next time I see the error.
Nicholas_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their newest update made me want to slit my wrists. I tried to find an older version but unfortunately I couldn't so I just uninstalled it.
I hate Skype and I'm eagerly waiting for discord to finally push video out to me.
Pablinex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord killed it
nakamin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get sPortable (Skype portable). It's a portable version of Skype meaning it doesn't write to the registry and is completely contained within one directory. Open it up whenever you need to use Skype, but otherwise you won't even know it exists. Also, because it's a portable app, you can install it on a USB and run it on any PC with a USB port. And you should definitely delete the Appx package like some other people have already said.
I have a question on Skype. We use the old version for our web show, I need to capture individual people in a group chat. Currently I grab parts of the screen with my broadcast software. Is there an alternative to Skype that will show a grid of callers and is easy enough to use for the average person?
Skype has been going down the tubes as of late, and I've had to revert back to the old version a couple times already since the latest version is garbage.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I uninstalled windows 10. I would remove those useless MS store apps, and then they would magically, silently reinstall themselves after a few days. Fuck that shit.
EvilDesk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is literally useless. Plus I had trouble with Realtek HD Audio reinstalling every time I restarted.
I have external audio so I do NOT need it!
Ark161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have W10 Home....big ol' ripperoni..if you have pro, you can disable that shit in GPedit.MSC....or the registry....I suggest the former as fucking the registry can brick your system.
frappim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin installed something on my PC, and it installed Chromium with it. I uninstalled it from Add or remove programs, but it still opens every time my PC starts /: I even tried going to the program file location and deleting everything, but it still returns! Gah :( I just installed Windows too
tekkitan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been officially bloatware since Windows 10 was released. It's been adware for years though. No one should be using Skype anymore. Use Discord. Soon they will have video calling for everyone (I believe it's beta right now).
xMashu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just another reason out of 1,000,000 to switch to Discord.
pretty much everyone i know, including myself, had their skype hacked about a year and a half ago. i recovered my account, but never was able to actually log in since then.
5nurp5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the recent android "update" of skype is just so bad, you have to assume they did it on purpose. i don't dare accuse anyone of such level of incompetence.
ianosaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype gets worse and worse.
However it probably didn't "come back" you probably had multiple different types of Skype installed. There's a desktop version, a version that comes with MS Office, a Windows Store version, and probably a few others. You'll need to nuke them all to remove the infestation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because you probably didn't uninstall the AppStore version, and only the Desktop version. When one is made the default, the other one is disabled. When one is removed, the other becomes default.
A lot of little tweaks can be made using registry tweaks and settings. Personally, I use winaero tweak. It gives a shit ton of tweaks and optimisation settings for Windows 10, including auto driver updates disable, context menu options and whatnot.
AltRye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the Windows MO
xlipH007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what you get for using a proprietary operating system.
SpaceNavy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you guys accept shit like this? I'm mad by just looking at it
Zygersaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit... I have never had it on my current pc, but I have to install it for an interview coming up, hope it doesn't remain a pain in the ass to remove....
SpikeGD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now thanks to this post and the subsequent ones that followed, I have learned of the power...of power shell. Seriously, I consider myself a seasoned computer user but never been a programmer or IT guy officially though. I glean what I can randomly. kudos to the OP and the posters in the ComputeGuy thread line.
Do y'all remember MSN Messenger. In its golden years it was exactly what everyone wanted. Like Facebook messenger, but reliable, ad free and not by Microsoft. It died so Skype could live. Fuck Skype.
Gl33D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was by microsoft though? And also it had dropped out of popularity years before skype was bought by microsoft mostly thanks to the god awful 2011 and 2012 versions
Gl33D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Msn was great i clung on until the very end because i had an early windows mobile device (6.1) before smart phones where common i lovee the crap out of that thing and being able to msn anywhere wqs amazing as a kid
When Skype first came out I actually enjoyed using it, this was back in 2007/2008.
Slowly over time I began using it less and less because it was slow and uncomfortable to use.
The final straw was when Skype basically stood by and let me get hacked and didn't let me do anything about it. For context, back in 07/08 I was still a kid and I ended up creating 2 Skype accounts at some point on the same email account. I don't remember exactly why I did it, I think I had the idea of using them like people with multiple Instagram accounts use theirs nowadays. I never ended up using this new account past 2009 when I made it, and over time completely forgot about it.
Then one day, long after I had stopped using Skype, my family told me that I was on Skype sending links to weight loss pills. I quickly booted it back up and started searching for the problem and what had happened was this. My main account was technically fine, I changed the password and everything but it wasn't compromised. But the second account that I made was in fact compromised, and of you have 2 accounts on the same email, Skype basically merges them without telling you.
My password for the second account was probably much much weaker because I didn't make good passwords back when I made it. When whoever it was got in, they could message everyone from my main account.
It gets better, I contacted Skype to delete my rogue account, but because I didn't know the login details or security questions (I presume those got added/changed by the hackers) Skype wouldn't let me delete that account even though it was registered to the same email I use to this day.
I realized this was a blessing in disguise as I no longer had any reason to keep that godawful program around, so what I did is I blocked every single contact on my list on my main account, then proceeded to delete the main account. Without my main account there whoever had my old Skype account probably can't pretend to be me while messaging, since my second account used a joke name and picture.
tl;dr Skype merges a hacked account on my email with my account, doesn't let me delete hacked account, I say goodbye to Skype forever
Ne00123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is officially cancer
_S_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This stuff has got to be unique to the home edition or something. I have never seen any of the annoyances people complain about but i have pro so maybe that's why.
Xylow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I uninstalled it, I'm using Discord now since I only use Skype for text messages and calls.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i always kind of wondered why skype got as big as it did in the first place, for text and voice there were always far better alternatives and while i can't name any off the top of my head i'm sure there was one for video as well.
what's the draw for using skype?
DaftFunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to tell you this but Windows entirely is bloatware.
I switched to Discord recently and Iโm never going back.
Atello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until you work for a company that uses skype.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was bloatware a long time ago dude
peenoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best part is I have to use Skype for work, because my company has some deal with Microsoft. Let me tell you just how much I love using Outlook, OneDrive, Skype, and Microsoft's amazing suite of Office webapps. They aren't complete trash and don't make me want to pull my hair out every day. They definitely are NOT THE WORST.
olov244 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate installing it for other people, but if that's what they want....... I refuse to on my stuff
Degru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, now you won't have to install it for other people; it will install itself!
P0NT13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna punch that little smiley fucking icon in the throat
Eeew! Devs gross me out everytime they try to do something like this. That's an instant uninstall for me. :/
I finally heed thy call, oh, all mighty Discord!
Slay3d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype has fallen behind discord far too much, no adjustment of independent audio levels? That's such a basic feature. Screen share to pick up all windows and not black out when flipping tabs. Come on
suddenly while I'm texting, skype pops back up with a chat notification, and it was somehow installed again. removed it and the APK manually.
Skype is installed with win10 updates and is forcibly tied into windows 10 as well.
MT_Flesch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anytime i uninstall anything, i go through the registry and remove the associated keys and search the filesystem for any other related files that are lurking in unusual places
It was bundled with Window 7 on my laptop so it's been for a while... maybe just new to 10 but it definitely isn't the first time it has been bloatware
ehngage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks =) I'm gonna look in to dual booting a small linux drive so I can learn it, and eventually swap over when I'm more comfortable. The biggest worry is how many games won't I be able to play any more
armandg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's on Steam, it's on Linux. Would advise you to read up on how your graphics card work under Linux.
ehngage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:02 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the games I play on steam don't have linux support, at least they don't claim to.
armandg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:44 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I forgot the support is per game. Still you are able to play the Windows games through a virtual machine.
I don't know if your problem have been resolved but there is an amazing app called geek.exe that will uninstall skype(and other programs) and every file Skype has on your computer too. Hope it helps
gabest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't understand the a collaboration tool needs take up as little screen space as possible. Also, no always on top mode, to stay above the program you are working with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFW you never installed skype in the first place and you only have it on your IOS so uninstalling it completely is super easy (but their way of shoving the updates down my throat makes me wanna bomb the shit out of their headquarters)
Fuuucccck skype. All it has to do is the bare minimum and I'd be happy. The 'x' button not closing the app fukin gets to me. The fact that a stupid call windows also pops up always interferes with my games and casually makes it impossible to click in that region.
ragehavoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laptops/phones/tablets come with a lot of bloatware these days and are almost impossible to remove, I typically install a brand new OS if possible whenever I buy any of these products, even if I have to jailbreak it, it is worth it.
ShaanOSRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once they fully add cam and share screen to discord, Skype will deservingly be a thing of the past..
: Skype in win10 keeps all conversation history forever, with no option to delete it. It is even rumored to duplicate all your conversation's text "onto the cloud". Deleting Skype history is still possible in win 8.1 , so this feature"s disappearance is new.
It did me the same way. I uninstalled it as soon as I got by Windows 10 laptop and after updates, it popped right back up and immediately logged me into an old account that I only ever used for like a day. So irritating.
First one will remove all the shitty W10 bloatware for the current user. Second one will remove the installers for the bloatware so that any other account won't have them automatically installed.
All the PC's in our workplace have recently been upgraded to office 365... A good % of them are now suffering from 100% disk usage due to Skype! Well played MS
Jabulon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some programmers think they can use your pc how they see fit
jclv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resistance Uninstallation is futile.
tom641 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a few friends that still cling to Skype because their other friends still cling to Skype. I wonder how much of their userbase is only using skype because everyone else is.
The amount of times that app crashes on me when I want to use it, the net code is trash on it(I wouldn't be able to understand them on Skype but in overwatch they come through clear as day),
Honestly discord is so much better and user friendly with the slight down side of no video
bebpis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:25 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surface master race
siraly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
joh2141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:37 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using Skype once they tried too hard forcing their way into every user interface I know. Fuck Skype. Use discord or any others that don't insist on polluting your shit with more shit.
pooreg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shit doesn't even work well with windows 10
dxlta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny story - one of my neighborโs was one of the heads of Skype, and I always talked to him about how Skype was so vastly used by business people, and how other applications (such as Discord) were used among the vastly larger computer population - the video game players. Of course, I wonโt go into detail about it, but he did mention some really large updates in the future for Skype. Specifically the mobile version.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By far the worst part about it is that this notification is at least 4 times louder than other notifications and you cannot mute it.
igor33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have also found this program to be helpful: https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ "Spybot Anti-Beacon is a standalone tool which was designed to block and stop the various tracking (telemetry) issues present inย Windows 10. It has since been modified to block similar tracking functionality inย Windows 7,ย Windows 8ย andย Windows 8.1ย operating systems."
I haven't even opened it since I started in business sales, and which I can convince my relatives to use another thing, and Skype may as well as screen sharing soon enough
I got really tired of win10 and went back to 7 for a long time but then I found out about LTSB....why in the hell doesn't microsoft provice this to all customers? People would actually PAY for that version. NO skype.. NO nothing! Not even a preinstalled browser? Heaven!
I still run windows 7 on my gaming PC, but I have a sort of cheap laptop that I like to use for couch browsing etc. Win 10 finally slowed it down so bad I just wiped it and installed Linux and couldn't be happier. Haven't tested impact on games yet.
Steelbath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diknak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, not really. For 1:1 conversations it's pretty good and reliable. Certainly better than SMS and pretty much everyone has a skype account.
zHHk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We used Skype at work for the longest time until I finally managed to talk our boss into using Slack. Between Slack and Discord I dropped Skype completely.
Pyrobob4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With video calls and screenshare coming to Discord, I really see no reason to even consider Skype anymore.
Windows is getting really bold with forcing software on you. I don't want Cortana you hoe. Also I'm not using the search menu to search the web, I'm looking for files on my computer.
I have turned absolutely all privacy shit off on Windows 10 as well as not let apps run in the background. I don't have cortana or Skype or anything on my computer I don't want. If you take a little time you can make windows.10 pretty clean. I also use spybot telemetry blocker ( whatever its called) which doesn't let windows "phone home".
When it updates I check all the settings again and make sure its still all turned off. Been no problems so far, I get updates and I'm not giving all my personal info to microshaft.
Most people have no idea how.much information win 10 sends to Microsoft to " improve your experience". Well my experience.is fine and I don't send anything to them. I would suggest everyone go to their start menu and type in privacy settings and see for yourself how much shit is turned on. I turned absolutely everything off and had no problems so far.
You "check settings" and think you're fine? You poor, naive bastard.
The only way to know you're not giving personal info to Microsoft is to run a packet sniffer on your router and make sure you can account for the contents of every single packet. (Or not use Windows, of course.)
I spent days combing the internet for all the ways to block windows sending data and think I got them all. I didn't run wireshark or any other utility to watch packets as I couldn't be bothered but it doesn't matter as I feel i have done as much as I can to keep my data private.maybe I didn't get it all but I will guarantee what i have done is better than doing nothing and much better than most people have done. Since I work for a company that values privacy I have picked up a few things but thanks for the concern. I will stick with Windows because fighting another OS to get my games and specialty software I use to work isn't worth it.
maybe I didn't get it all but I will guarantee what i have done is better than doing nothing and much better than most people have done.
I think you're right about that, but I also think it's not a high bar to clear.
I will stick with Windows because fighting another OS to get my games and specialty software I use to work isn't worth it.
I'd like to hang a lampshade on the fact that you just said your games are more important than your privacy.
I mean, if that's really how you feel then that's your decision, but I can't help but think you might not have considered it quite that way before.
I also find myself wondering what specialty software you use to work won't run in a Windows VM on a Linux host (where you can firewall it to use only the network connections that particular piece of software needs).
I use VMware at work all the time, i know its capabilities and usefulness but really don't want to Fuck around with it at home, I just want to use my computer. Yes I put my games above my privacy in this case because anyone looking at my computer won't find my real name anywhere anyways, just like most of my online accounts. I didn't set up my computer with my name so all people would find is Heywood JeBlowme so if they want to steal that its fine by me.
Listen I get where you're coming from but I set up esxi hosts and VMware workstation machines at work all the time as well as domains and whatever else is needed for control systems. When I get home I don't want any part of that, I just want to sit down and play a game with the limited time I have. Yea you like linux and I said good on you, it's a great OS but it's not for me.
Plus I use vypr VPN at home which isn't the be all and end all but it helps.
This week my Windows 10 somehow bypassed all the ways I'd turned off updates and started updating again. Fortunately I spotted it and deactivated everything before I too was beset by pop-ups and restarts.
Stay ever vigilant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is cancer.
Last year I completely disabled all update-related shit on Windows. Couldn't stand it anymore.
I wish there was more competition and inter-OS program compatibility, instead of just Windows-for-Geeks and Windows-for-Starbucks.
lordcirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you actually tried Linux much? Lack of compatibility is annoying, but it's still great for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I have. It has its pros and cons compared to Windows, but ultimately, Linux, OS X and Windows are in the same ballpark.
With our technological capabilities, I find Windows & Co to be rather primitive, especially when it comes to user interfaces and user friendliness.
lordcirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Linux awaits your pull requests!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, just shoot me already
lordcirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of how we got here, we've all got the same choices - suffer silently, complain, or fix it.
yoyanai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is bloatware.
spencergl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was so upset the other day. My group switched to discord a while back because skype was beyond unusable, so when I had to do a fresh install of windows a few months after that, I was excited to finally be rid of Skype (desktop) and not make the unfortunate mistake of doing first-time setup for the "mobile app". Well, last week, I needed to get windows 365 for class and it comes as one big install package and....there it was. So it's safe to say that my PC has been compromised.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are u using the weird skype app, or the normal program? It's not like that for me.
erdemece ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are these stuff dont happens to me but some guy? Posts here and everybody complaining about it even they don't have problem with it.
I have been using windows 10 since it was beta and I have ever seen a popup or similar stuff.
If you look at any other OS, all of them come with tools that you can't remove. With windows 10 you can easily do it. I have skype desktop and uninstall the skype prewiev app just by right clicking and uninstall. Never came back.
"As soon as Discord gets screen sharing and video, I'll finally uninstall Skype"
Finally got into the video beta a week or two ago, feels so good.
worm_dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype functions as bloatware in a number of ways (such as being difficult to close the program), but the biggest issue I have with it is no support for two factor authentication.
Skype accounts are regularly hacked, and that's a big problem given that they're now linked with Microsoft accounts. It's a massive hole in their security, and it blows my mind that Microsoft hasn't gotten skype in shape after years of this garbage.
Jimbuscus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait for Discord to finally bring video chat out of beta, once they add in-game text chat they will be unstoppable
conley97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I hate Skype. My work still requires it, what programs could I suggest to replace it? It seems like everyone is using it, and switching would be difficult.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just install discord
Ninclemdo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would switch to discord if there wasn't that one friend who insists on using skype
JaySmo16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a friend if he uses skype. Edit: aye same processor!
alexzoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to use Skype every day of my life to talk to my group while playing games. Then it slowly killed itself by removing useful features and adding terrible ones. Getting slower and more resource consuming over time. Sad story. Good thing discord exists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:39 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is part of windows 10 and for better or worse unless you disable notifications it tells you when things get updated. This dude spent two days bitching about skype over multiple posts instead of googling how to turn skype off or disable its notifications.
MadKlauss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:15:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering about that too.
At the same time I'm saddened by what Skype has become.
I remember starting to use it back in 2005 when Microsoft didn't have a hand in it. It was the best program 15 year old me had ever used.
Kofilin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
googling how to turn skype off
I think I found the problem
Hedhunta ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm too stupid to turn notifications in Windows 10 off"
It's not even installed. Unless you only uninstalled the desktop program and not the app that comes pre-installed with Windows 10.
If you hate MS so much why don't you go play on Linux(lol) or Mac.
fnkarnage ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:07:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you until you laughed at Linux
Hedhunta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorry, i actually love linux for certain tasks, but gaming is not one of them.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:11:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Linux is dead, it's so 2005
lordcirth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:12:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works fine for me, thanks!
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:27:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Steeva ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't exactly a good counter-argument there, bub.
-0-7-0- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hexorg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:57:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have skype installed and windows keeps telling me to install skype...
I think I have the desktop version of skype installed and windows wants me to install some integrated-into-windows version. Because you know, two versions of skype for windows are different...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to kill the "try Skype" application too.
Lanhdanan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:05:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype died the day MS bought it. I uninstalled it the day it was announced.
Maybe read the article... the server was sinkholed so nothing malicious. New update has everything removed. Only certain update had the issue and can be fixed easily. There was no botnet, ransomware or keyloggers.
Atrixia ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:12:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never let the truth get in the way of a good scaremonger. I heard it turned your PC into an ISIS cell btw
_Fizzroy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:35:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it wasn't. Read the statement they provided. The malware never worked and the installer is clean now. Infected versions started at 3.53 or smth and have been since removed.
Don't act like its rare for a program to be invaded by malware nowadays.
I've never gotten malware from the Debian repository...
ItsKipz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:02:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but it is tho
RangerSix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:18:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Generally speaking, it's not that rare.
This specific type of incident, where a development environment was compromised? That is rare; I think there's only been one similar incident before (the MeDoc/NotPetya thing).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:48:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sable17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:07:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner was only a problem with the 32-bit version. Who uses a 32-bit OS nowadays anyway?
you dont trust ccleaner because one of their servers got comprised? You realize this is very common, and could have been through an exploit that they had little control of? For all we know, it could've been an exploit with the Linux kernel.... Now who's too blame?
Reason number 10032 why windows 10 is a shitty idea. Not only the entire thing is worse designed than 7, but they also push bloatware and spyware as defaults.
Clearly you didn't uninstall it. You should make it a habit to check the program files folder after uninstalling something. A lot of times programs leave stuff behind and it's good to manually delete the folder.
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Meh_broken ยท 6325 points ยท Posted at 10:58:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open up a powershell Copy/paste Get-AppxPackage skypeapp | Remove-AppxPackage should have you sorted.
ComputeGuy ยท 9542 points ยท Posted at 12:18:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is standard at work:
get-appxpackage messaging | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage sway | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage commsphone | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage windowsphone remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage phone | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage communicationsapps | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage people | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage zunemusic | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage zunevideo | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage zune | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage bingfinance | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage bingnews | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage bingsports | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage bingweather | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage bing | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage onenote | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage maps | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage solitaire | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage officehub | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage skypeapp | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage getstarted | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage 3dbuilder | remove-appxpackage
Get-AppxPackage drawboardpdf | Remove-AppxPackage
Get-AppxPackage freshpaint | Remove-AppxPackage
Get-AppxPackage nytcrossword | Remove-AppxPackage
Get-AppxPackage microsoft.xboxapp | Remove-AppxPackage
Get-AppxPackage SurfaceHub | Remove-AppxPackage
Get-AppxPackage flipboard | Remove-AppxPackage
caizer68 ยท 1731 points ยท Posted at 12:54:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what my place of employment uses.
Note: I did not create this, although I have made a couple adjustments.
Well shoot, because of needing all the extra lines needed the formatting on the copy paste doesn't work.
Google Doc Link This shows correct formatting on the file. Just save a a txt file on your computer then change the .txt to .bat and run it.
Thanks to u/Iggy_2539 comment below you can copy and paste from reddit if the Google Doc link doesn't work for you!
Thank you u/GoldenWulwa for my first Reddit Gold!
Edit 1 Day Later: I didn't think this would blow up as much as it did. I have been trying to reply to all. also as a quick piece of info. Make sure you look at the apps it is removing, I have seen some people saying that they ran it and it removed something that they used. Check all the lines and see, if there is an app that you want to keep you can either delete that line or put rem at the front of it.
Iggy_2539 ยท 3216 points ยท Posted at 13:03:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My highest rated comment since calling out a repost is reposting someone's script. How ironic.
For those 78 inbox messages which are asking for help: THIS IS NOT MY SCRIPT. /u/caizer68 POSTED THIS SCRIPT, BUT FAILED TO ACCOUNT FOR REDDIT'S MARKUP. I REPOSTED HIS SCRIPT WITH THE FORMATTING FIXED. ASK HIM FOR HELP.
You fell victim to reddit formatting. Here's the easy-to-copy version.
caizer68 ยท 405 points ยท Posted at 13:05:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sir are doing Gaben's work!
Also how did you do that so quickly? For future copy/paste I would like to know, Thanks!
-Rivox- ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 13:22:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
open notepad++, paste the text in there, keep pressed alt, left click and go down with the cursor till the end of the file (don't highlight, just keep the long cursor). Press space four times and you're golden.
Now copy paste into reddit
Edit: otherwise, if you have RES you can highlight all the text and then click the <> simbol over the editor. It will put the four spaces for you
FluffyToughy ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 13:46:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In SublimeText: Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Shift+L, Home, 4 spaces. Gosh I love Sublime...
edit: Ctrl+A, Tab only works if you have your tabs set to 2 or 4 spaces. Multicursor editing is the future, people.
fazzah ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:21:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In PyCharm:
select all
<tab>
Done.
FluffyToughy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:33:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're replacing tabs with either 2 or 4 spaces, that works in Sublime too. Multicaret support in Sublime is just so good though. So much room for
activitiesfunctionality.robin_flikkema ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:45:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PyCharm also has multicaret support btw
FluffyToughy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:19 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multicaret is becoming more popular, which is great and I hope support continues to grow, but I just haven't found any other application that supports it as well as Sublime does.
You can do stuff like place a cursor at every match of a regex. That alone has saved me so, so much time editing stuff like XML, JSON, array definitions. Plus it includes selection events in its undo/redo buffer, which, if nothing else, has saved me a lot of stress.
I'm not trying to say that PyCharm is bad or anything! It's just that I don't need its other features most of the time, and I like text editing in Sublime better anyway.
third-eye-brown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt know Sublime had the multicursor regex thing. Iโve wanted that so goddamn badly.
thisisntarjay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Senior web dev here. Confirming Sublime text is better than all alternatives.
kradek ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:17:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
isn't that how it works in notepad++ too?
argv_minus_one ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:38:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Biotot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I skipped the first instruction and just replaced everything with a tab.
robertowney ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:32:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also in SublimeText: Ctrl + F, (Alt + R) to toggle regex, ^, Alt + Enter, 4 Spaces.
IcyRayns ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:29:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vim:
Ctrl+V,G,4I, space.
panzerex ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:12:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I did it like so:
IcyRayns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the nice things about vim, there's a thousand ways to skin a cat.
Narthorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:33 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gg>G.Or only
>ggif you're already at the bottom of the text, since you just pasted it.oddsonicitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Xodet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why confirm?
BlueDrache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like malboge to me.
the_Madman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:35 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's
%? I've been doing:0,$s/^/ /the entire time.plutos_moose ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:43:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you wanna be cheesy like me in Vim:
999>>
Or whatever number gets you to the bottom
BenjaminGeiger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:24:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or
(replace the beginning of each line with four spaces)
plutos_moose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for answering my silent cry for help
king_gorge_III ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love vim.
plutos_moose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:41 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vim is to love. Thank you, I will be using this
AD7GD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commands in vi that take a target usually let you repeat the command to operate on the current line. So >> (like dd, or yy) is the command > on the current line (> again). But you can put any target in the second position. G is the end of the file, so what you want is >G (indent from here to end of file). If you wanted to do one paragraph, it would be >} Or you could delete a paragraph with d} or delete to end with dG
plutos_moose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:57 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate you. I am a newbie to vim but I love it
jkitsimple4now ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:40:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I followed the comments for vim
r_notfound ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always did this as:
realfuzzhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
%s means :1,$ s
r_notfound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:26 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
hardaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In linux/emacs: ctrl-x h delete
ducks
IcyRayns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:57 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I think it's
sudo yum remove emacsdipique ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:13:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On reddit:
.....
Cool somebody else did it for me.
Dr_Lady_Boy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:31:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, multiline editing in Sublime is a joy.
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sublime is my go-to editor when I don't need VS (e.g XML or JS, if I ever touch JS).
Just such a nice editor, with support with "meme" languages as well.
jantari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In VSCode: Ctrl+A, Tab
fii0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you have Home bound to BOL?
palindromereverser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In notepad ++, ctrl-a, tab, done.
thewulfmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Assuming indentation is set to two spaces)
Ctrl+a Shift+]
Xacto01 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
atom also has an extension for vertical selection like sublime
boisdeb ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As does vscode, emacs, vim, intellij...
Xacto01 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright hipsta engineers:)
jellybeans3 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
atom.io
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:00:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively put ``` on a line before and after the text:
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew that `[sample word]` worked, but didn't know that
```
[sample method]
```
worked, though I had a feeling.
Does markdown work?
```csharp if (this.Test = works)
{
return Success(something);
}
```
Edit:
Uday_321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
testing 1 2 3turikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this work on reddit markdown?What sorcery is this.
JustALittleAverage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that is part of markdown.
turikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit doesn't have full markdown support so this is good to know!
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit has pretty good Markdown support.
n0rs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:53 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit uses sundown/snudown
4d656761466167676f74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:19 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your username.
Bloody_Smashing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:24:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Gaben's work is simply taking our money at this point.
Steam sales aren't what they used to be. :(
Iggy_2539 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:34:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/-Rivox- /u/maritz /u/jevans102 I used this method^
benryves ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:57:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not wishing to start a Holy War, but presumably that only works if your indent is set to four spaces, though. For me that would just stick a single tab in front of everything. :)
Personally, I'd use find-and-replace in regular expression mode and replace
^with four spaces.Iggy_2539 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:03:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, my indent in Notepad++ is set to the tab character. It was copied just fine into reddit.
benryves ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:11:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to remember having difficulty in the past and needed to change all my indents to four spaces, but maybe I'm confusing this for another Markdown implementation!
Burnaby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit and Stack Exchange, at least, convert tabs to four spaces.
itchy118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dobypeti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You dropped these:
06gto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never used PowerShell, do I copy paste the entire google doc into something and it processes all that? I'm a newb to this kind of stuff :(
artvandelay440 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open the Powershell ISE on your computer. Copy and paste everything into the script pane, or the white part at the top of the screen. If you don't have one hit the little new script icon in the top-left. Once it's copied into the script pane, select it all and hit the green play button. If it asks you for a execution policy, set it remote signed. Be very careful though. You're essentially trusting whoever wrote that Google Docs knows what he's doing and it won't screw up your computer. Just a little warning about arbitrarily running code you found on the internet in general.
06gto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ty sir
karolba ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since we are talking about scripting, you can alternatively use:
Various unices using X11:
macOS:
Or a similar windows equivalent
jkitsimple4now ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is X11?
-Self taught dev guy
karolba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The display system used in your Linux or *BSD boxes. It's slowly being replaced by Wayland, and supposedly also a historical spaghetti.
Seriously, Google it. It's fascinating.
DaStalkingBiscuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:15:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i believe it's putting four spaces infront of something
artvandelay440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:52 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also
surround text inline with backticksto do the same for inline code.jevans102 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not 100% sure, but I think they copied into a text editor and added 4 spaces using column mode to the beginning of each line.
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/6ewgt/reddit_markdown_primer_or_how_do_you_do_all_that/
maritz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use Reddit Enhancement Suite. Paste text into textbox, select all that you want to format, press the code button ("<>" label).
sonofamonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gg V G >>
Lyratheflirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we stop using gaben as a synonym to god...
It's like you want them to feel untouchable still...
GabeNewell1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:39 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oi! The both of you, thanks! I copypasted this into cmd, and it worked! Ye are gods among men!
GabeNewell1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 3 years
ohadlor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:52 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once you run the .bat do you need to restart the computer for it to take effect?
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:01 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to reboot, but a good idea.
[deleted] ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 13:29:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 405 points ยท Posted at 13:56:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 14:13:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One Drive is super annoying if you don't use it. Change the settings for it not to start with Windows? It starts anyways. Uninstall it? Reinstalls itself.
Probably_Important ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 14:25:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think people maybe misinterpret the point of this. It's not a one-and-done setup procedure for every user; it removes bloatware. If for whatever reason you like the bloatware it's removing, remove that line from the script lol.
Mechanicalmind ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:03:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just reinstall it after...as I will have to do after it's done because I didn't read all of the things it's removing.
at least it didn't delete the netflix app.
Arcosah ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 21:23:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keep saying bloatware. This thing removes the fucking calculator. It strips much much more than just bloatware. Even the Photo Viewer and Music Player. These things aren't bloatware, they are Windows default programs. If you use a third party program, like VLC or Irfanview that's fine! But to call Windows default programs that it needs to function as a PC bloatware is absolutely a step too far.
Mirrormn ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:39:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my view, "Bloatware" needs to adversely affect the day-to-day operation of your computer in some way. Usually that means running some sort of process in the background. Programs that just sit inert on your hard drive until you choose to use them are hard to qualify as bloatware, unless there is some mechanism that prevents you from deleting/uninstalling/replacing them normally.
LuminescentMoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying that applies to the photos and calculator app?
Mirrormn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, no. I'm agreeing that these simple utility applications shouldn't be considered bloatware.
dougmc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:52 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, that line is commented out, so as given it doesn't actually remove the calculator -- not unless you change it to do so.
Really, I wouldn't call this a "remove bloatware" script, but instead a "set up Windows the way whomever wrote it like it" script. Which is still quite useful, though it might be most useful for somebody to use as a template to adjust to their own preferences rather than for them to run as-is.
But yeah, personally ... I'd keep the built-in calculator app.
Fluffeh-Bunneh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows needs calculator, photo viewer, and music player to function as a PC? I do see your point, though; they're not actually "bloatware". :P
It probably gets rid of as much pre-installed Microsoft/Windows garbage as it can. :)
shub1000young ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:40:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When was the last time you used the calculator in your OS rather than your web browser? I can't remember personally .
Arcosah ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:00:03 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, literally everyday. Windows key, type in "cal", hit enter, and its up. I'm an engineer in college though so that have something to do with it. The nice thing about the calculator on windows is that it's easy to do something like 4*6 and then realize you also need to add 3 a few seconds later. There's no need to reload the page.
_SnesGuy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:11:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just a random jerk factory worker, I still use the windows calculator every day. That guys a dumb ass.
boganhobo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:12:53 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't aware people open up their web browser for simple arithmetic rather than the built in calculator.
Do you use web apps for image editing too?
Sentient_officeplant ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:28:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cortana and One Drive are the most annoying parts of windows 10.
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:37:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype too. It's a shame because it's actually a really decent OS, but the QC on updates has been very poor and the telemetry nonsense and built in bloatware is just bad business.
No idea why they don't have a big checklist of all available software when configuring a new Windows install. Just let us opt-in, don't make us jump through hoops to opt-out.
Sentient_officeplant ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah even if its easy stuff to remove it's so shitty to open up the start menu for the first time and see nothing but crap. Obviously I'm not a huge windows supporter, but I still need to know it for work and personal projects. Just sad to see the stock bloat that creeps into some OS's these days and the ideas they try to shovel onto users with every new release. I miss pre-microsoft owned skype sometimes, but at least there are more options out there vs in the early 2000's.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much my reaction when I install stock Windows 10. I used to install right from the Windows disk/ISO-USB-loader and have a nice, fresh OS installed.
Now even if I do that, the desktop is still filled with bullshit bloatware, I hit the start button and instead of this clean efficient menu of "What you want, will go here automatically or manually!" I get "HERE HAVE MORE BLOATWARE PROGRAMS THAT WILL TAKE UP ALL THE SCREEN SPACE AND CAN'T BE REMOVED"
So this is why people think they need 4k monitors: Windows is making it so they need the space
machton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually AM a decent fan of Windows as an OS, but I agree: opening up that start menu for the first time was a shock. I installed Win10 on my desktop as well as my parents' and grandparents' machines, and on every one I had to run a powershell script like the ones in this thread to get rid of so much junk.
It really leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Jinxyface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:06 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The QC issue on updates is only affecting the smallest minority to the point that its no different than any other update on any other program affecting a small number of users there too.
Telemtery is annoying but it's kind of crucial for things like Cortona. Do you use Siri or anything Google or Facebook or YouTube? If you don't like Telemtery, don't use the internet.
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disabled Cortana. I disabled Skype. I disabled OneNote. Why do they feel the need to update these programs, reenable them, put them back in to start-up, and reset much of my Windows privacy settings after every other update?
Why do I have to jump through hoops to disable them in the first place, just for them to come back in a month?
Jinxyface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't, unless you're doing something wrong. I've been on Windows 10 since the tech preview and none of my settings are ever reset after an update.
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you're one computer didn't have issues, but out of our hundred there have been many issues.
Jinxyface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:40 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I could also name 100 computers on Windows 10 that didn't have issues. Again, it's anecdotal on both sides of the argument.
Fortune_Cat ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:21:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why? onedrive is so fucking convenient its integrated into my phone, email and windows better than googles or dropboxes shitty version and 1 only need the one account
Sentient_officeplant ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:32:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I don't use a Microsoft account. They also like to nag me to use them even though I have no use for either. Gdrive works great for me, but I don't even use it all that much except for sharing project files with my band mate. So I don't even bother integrating it into windows and just access it via browser the few times a month I might need it.
As for Cortana I just hate online search integrated into the desktop and have no use for hands free assistant programs at this time. (Or the possibility of one trying to listen in on my mic 24/7). I even kill google assistant on my phone by just using clean custom ROMs with no google app packages.
Fortune_Cat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:55 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can use your Gmail email for your Microsoft account. Ontop of email and cloud storage. It syncs all my settings and wallpaper across the multiple devices I own or upgrade to
Also Google's storage is limited to 15gbs. I've accumulated like 500 GBs of free storage with one drive
The Cortana thing isn't even an issue. You can choose to never use it and it doesn't affect your daily experience at all
Sentient_officeplant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use my win10 partition enough to see the benefits of giving my data to sync to yet another company. That and my Google drive has 2tb+ of storage due to past events and phone/Chromebook purchased. (It's pretty easy to get a few extra gigs a year just doing the yearly security audit for your account)
Fortune_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:41 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh didn't realise it wasn't your main OS...kinda irrelevant use case to this discussion then :S
If I bought a second hand chromebook. Would I get the free storage and then sell it?
Wayner84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf, I use iCloud over anything else, as that is integrated to my phone and iPad
Fortune_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:07 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair
But specifically for windows users OneDrive is the best. I'm also have like 500gb of free storage I've accumulated
Wayner84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would also use one drive if I had 500gb lol, iCloud works exactly the same, just adds a folder to quick access, although I only have 50gb for 79p a month rn. 100% if I had any one drive storage Iโd use that, but the Apple fanboy in me says no lol
Edit: realised when you say windows users, that means you probably have a windows phone too, which totally makes sense
ddosn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, thats cos its for idiot-proofing corporate thick clients.
I swear, sometimes the employees in a corporate setting go searching for ways to fuck up machines. No wonder so many medium sized companies and larger are switching to a thin-client/Virtualised network set up.
Or using scripts like the above to remove anything and everything that could possibly be used to screw a computer in some form.
itsjustchad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can even leave the lines incase you ever need them, just rem em out.
hazelfoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I didn't look close enough and kinda screwed myself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hazelfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:23 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...hoow do I re-integrate OneDrive? I downloaded the app again but it hasn't built itself into file explorer like before.
postnick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:39 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can reinstall any of it from the store from my experience.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:34:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop using OneDrive, yo.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:41:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:14:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google, yo.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With that attitude why should I bother to help? I shall not. Blocked.
NeXtDracool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:27 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taking the "risk" to get blocked too..
You look like a massive dick right about now
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talk trash, then expect someone to help you? How utterly insensible. But that's how things are now. No manners!
ryosen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:40:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lines for calculator and maps are commented out above.
Vargurr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Photos and music are used? Seriously? And what's maps supposed to be on Windows?
irishsandman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I use Photos . . . seems fine for opening files, what should I be using instead and why?
Vargurr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IrfanView is a brilliant alternative.
irishsandman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:37 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does it do better?
Vargurr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:22 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can open each picture inside its own window, Esc to close it, batch convert, plethora of editing options, including merging pics in panorama modes, lots of other stuff; and this is before adding plugins, all in a very light-weight package, you only need the 2MB exe basically.
Not sure why you haven't heard of it, since it's hugely popular.
SadDragon00 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:32:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also removes OneNote. Which is the the foundation my work is built on lol.
iamonlyoneman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
User experiences vary - i have zero times ever used OneNote!
aleques-itj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:30:38 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want an easy way to pick what's removed, you can just do
Select what you want to remove, click ok, done.
zeekaran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suggestion on photo viewer?
Audiovore ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:58:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried IrfanView?
zeekaran ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:24:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried it on W7 and it was alright. Quite ugly, but practical. Just wondering what the current options are, and I shouldn't be surprised that's still up there.
Audiovore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, perhaps it's cause I turn off the buttons and use classic Windows theme, it's the most pure viewer I've come across. Far better than anything I've seen MS natively integrate.
iamonlyoneman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IrfanView is the standard by which other viewers are judged. The speed with which it opens files is second to nothing I've found. It does almost every kind of image, and there are even useful editing and resampling and filetype changing functions. Plus it's small and $0.
Aerophus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to give ImageGlass a go if you're looking for aesthetic and functionality. It's also open source which is neat.
Arcosah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay until you scroll to the end and rather than just stay on teh current image it throws a fit telling you theres nothing else in the folder.
Coldstreamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bugs me everytime
Options / properties/settings / browsing editing
If at the end/begin of a folder is reached, - change to do nothing
Arcosah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I love you
tamyahuNe2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
XnView
It's free. Uses only minimum of resources. Supports many formats (more than 500). Contains batch processor and duplicate finder. Allows for simple photo manipulation operations.
I personally use it without the "Browser" mode, so it behaves more like a normal photo viewer instead of Windows Explorer.
LAK132 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Photo Viewer (W7) > Photos (W10)
NeXtDracool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:44 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
XnView, definitely
Lord_Tacitus ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 18:39:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jorgp2 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, nice shitpost M8
Zmodem ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fucking shit. I have a decent system (i5-6500, 32Gb DDR4), and after applying this (granted I edited a few of the app removals, and I kept the forced time sync), my system is exponentially more responsive. I'm not sure what the root cause was (possibly all of it?), but thank you so much!
I'd just like to mention that I don't throw around Wow! factor shit unless I mean it. There's a huge difference between "Yea, I notice a difference" and "Holy fuck, this is night and day!", and trust me, for me, this was night and day.
JeffBoner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of ram
Zmodem ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:42:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, it's just amazing to me that disabling and removing all of that bloat shit from above made such a huge impact. I'm definitely saving this batch for other systems :D
Shuamann1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:56:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure you remove the lines for software that should stay on a typical PC. Such as the calculator and photo applications.
Zmodem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I did that, I just didn't mention that I kept the photo app as well ;)
otterom ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:22:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's a curious wink...
lividash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's for pictures of his dong.
IhaveGin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:18:25 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that shit runs in the background consuming resources. My home setup has a script that's similiar that runs at logon that checks if things I don't want installed or running and if so to remove or disable these features. Annoying that I had to do it really.
ValveCantCount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Canadagetscoldeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:07 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Difference in gaming numbers at all?
Zmodem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not noticeable at all in gaming, save for launching. I would say OS responsiveness is where the major areas of impact took place. Application launches are super snappy now. Window painting seems to also be positively affected. The most noticeable windows taking change are browsers, and video apps.
jorgp2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it is.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:01:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iamonlyoneman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:59:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a computer only has one user that's good enough though
IAmTheParanoia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would you make these changes on a system level? And is that a good idea (as in, can removing something entirely break something else, like adding new users or something).
xtr0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:35 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful with this since you may not have an easy recovery if you permanently remove something that you need. Some of the preinstalled apps can be grabbed from the store, but not all of them. I'm not sure how one would recover if they use this to remove something they need and also remove something that the Windows store depends on. I'd also caution against using wildcards with this command since it's permanent. If you don't know what that means, please don't run a random powershell script you find online. If you do, take the extra 5 minutes to enumerate exactly what you want to remove.
MagnusRune ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:08:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would you want to remove the calculator...
estrangier ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:29:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would recommend using these with caution as I just got some errors after using the .bat file. None of my games are recognizing my monitor/give an error when I run them.
Onkelkolle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:29 on October 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know what caused this and how to fix it?
estrangier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:36 on October 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not too sure. One of the commands from the script. I restarted it several times and still nothing. I updated drivers and it worked.
velociraptorfarmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:18 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing this is best used on a fresh install prior to installing drivers.
madd74 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:54:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really should be putting a warning on your post. There are people that do not realize that not everything on this list is "bloatware". Due to the popularity to this post, you are going to cause the average user issues. I've read some of the comments, and people are somehow implementing this code yet have no clue what they are doing because they think nothing but garbage is being removed.
geekynerdynerd ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone else pointed out, no one should be running scripts of they don't have the knowledge needed to understand them.
Anyone that does will hopefully learn not to do so in the future, and should be glad that this wasn't a malicious script.
USMC-echo1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:23:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're just removing the unnecessary bloatware, as it were, that comes shipped with windows10.
Folks bought an operating system with their hard earned money, not am in-home Microsoft shopping keosk.
Revofev92 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:49:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calculator is not unnecessary bloatware
joke_LA ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:22:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 Calculator has popups asking you to go rate it on the app store. To me that instantly makes it bloatware.
c4v3m4naa ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:07:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never, in almost two years of using the Windows 10 calculator, seen a single ad or anything outside of calculator functionality on my calculator.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Revofev92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:23:52 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Needs an internet connection though. I'd say that applies to roughly half the machines I use in my job (most of them are just controllers for scientific instruments).
USMC-echo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:15 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com/search?q=google+calculator&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Ancillas ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:51:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rather then posting on reddit, why not drop it in github, or create a gist, so itโs version controlled and available to all from the command line?
Onkelkolle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:01 on October 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not everyone is familiar with github even if he knows basic coding.
Ancillas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:42 on October 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learning opportunity!
Even pastebin would be better than a big inline mess, imo.
xKairu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:50:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a heads up considering this is /r/pcmasterrace: I believe disabling telemetry breaks Xbox-branded game achievements. I used a program a while ago to do the same thing, and achievements weren't popping when I'd 100% completed them. Had to enable it all again and redo the achievement.
hardangelfan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:53:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get this in video form. I have no clue what any of this is and don't want to ruin my laptop.
FutureRobotWordplay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:18:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what any of this means.
bart2019 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It first disables and then uninstalls a bunch of applets that Microsoft installs by default on Windows 10.
bdicks37 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:05:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on guys this is what pastebin is for
iamonlyoneman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:05:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(fails to provide step-by-step instructions of how to use pastebin, vs. other users above having provided instructions how to use this)
Ninenine222 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:13:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a way to undo this?
1nfiniteJest ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:48:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Magnet on HDD.
shisatum ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My god.. This is why I continue to support the future of cross-OS gaming.
Diplomjodler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck. All that just to get rid of the cruft? If only I wasn't too apathetic to switch to Linux.
Kytsuine ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:03:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come join us!
Today, start the download - let's say Ubuntu Mate. While it's downloading, eat some chips and watch a British mystery show that isn't Sherlock.
Tomorrow, get a bootable USB creator, like Sardu. Then, use it to make your live USB, and treat yourself to ice cream and YouTube - perhaps some Google Translate Sings.
Third day, plug in your USB while your computer is off, and watch it turn on. It'll probably say something like "press F12 for boot options", but you'll be too slow to press it. That's ok. Just let it start up.
a) If it starts the Live USB, then don't install yet, just play around to see if you like it. It'll be slow, since it's running off a USB, but just fiddle around a bit. Maybe do your computing that way.
b) If it boots into Windows, Windows will want to format your USB. Don't let it. Restart and press the button from earlier. Use the arrow keys and move around until the USB is your target device, then boot from it. See subsection a.
Treat yourself - have some Cheetos and a movie. You're a Linux user now! Consider purchasing a stuffed penguin, but don't bother.
If you like Ubuntu Mate, install it alongside Windows - there are great guides out there, so spend day four looking for them and reading. Print one off. Go admire the sky tonight. The world is beautiful.
b) If you don't like it, give up. Try again with a different distro in two months.
On day five, back up your computer to an external hard disk or a network system. You should have done that before now, but since you're following my instructions, do it now. While it's backing up, write a nice letter to your oldest living relative. Resolve to send it tomorrow. Feeling good about yourself, eat your favorite meal for supper.
On day six, follow the instructions you printed off, and install Ubuntu Mate alongside Windows. Listen to this to feel awesome. You now have a Linux computer!
On day seven, rest, look at your creation, and say that it is very good. You did it! Congratulations!
Edit: halp how is do a format?
jantari ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:22 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should be recommending Rufus instead of Sardu
Kytsuine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:40 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably right. That's just what I used first time, and it was good enough for me.
Diplomjodler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've spent enough time faffing about with Linux. Being able to do it is not the problem. I just don't have the motivation.
111122223138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:52 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Amarec and FL Studio ran on Linux, I'd have switched awhile ago. They're the only things holding me back.
Kytsuine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:52 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dual boot?
leglesslegolegolas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:55:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this all for Windows 10? I'm sticking with 7, and I don't recognize most of these entries...
Kytsuine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is a Win10 debloat script (similar to that bundled in TronScript, though with different parameters)
Servicemaster ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok now put it in an executable and upload it so I can do the minimum work possible for the maximum result! Cheers.
antaryon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:18:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All that just to make the OS function properly? If I wanted to put in that much work I would've just used Linux.
afclu13 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:16:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How original and thought- provoking!
bouncy_ball ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:50:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yours and this one as well!
Tequila-M0ckingbird ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved this comment. Definitely gonna run this when I get home and clean up all the stupid shit I never use.
Kytsuine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be sure to read through and only remove what you don't use.
TP3NG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is great. Wish I stumbled on this before I had to individually google how to do everything.
I just bought a computer for my mother. 7 Years since I bought a new one. Was horrified to see all the bloatware. Clash of the Clans- yes my mother would love that game. -.- & it auto-installs itself when I uninstall it? Perfect.
I can't believe how much work I had to do just to setup a fresh computer for her to access yahoo mail every two days.
kboy101222 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the lines seems to disable the Wifi Hotspot. Am I crazy or is this true? I use the hotspot for my PS4 since it can't connect to my University WiFi
Kytsuine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite an answer, but:
Not true of all universities, but a lot have a webpage hidden on their internal network where you can register your console's MAC address and it'll be allowed on the network. For example, mine is nac.[redacted].edu/gaming-registration . I'd check your IT department's home page, or send them an email if you can't find it.
tadc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:06 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may use it but 90% of people would consider it a waste of resources.
kboy101222 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, I was just asking before I ran this script
Slims ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:48:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you uninstall onedrive? I save everything to my onedrive. You get an absurd amount of storage if you have office. If you have multiple computers its great, and it serves as a backup of all your files.
Anything I want encrypted for extra safety I just zip and encrypt with winrar and keep it in my drive.
The_AgentOrange ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:46:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people talking about this script, I'd guess, are SysAdmins for a business. Unless OneDrive is your preferred backup solution, you don't want it on there.
jantari ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Sysadmins would not disable Office Telemetry, wouldn't run a batch script this long on user logon and wouldn't uninstall OneDrive on a per-user basis but rather take it right out of the ISO
The_AgentOrange ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:27:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but they might adjust it a bit and run it pre image capture
The_AgentOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but they might adjust it a bit and run it pre image capture
Slims ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point.
jorgp2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
USMC-echo1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:28:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked One Drive better when it was called Megaupload.
Sentient_officeplant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually one of the first things I disable/uninstall on my windows partition, but I just don't use onedrive or office.
_BindersFullOfWomen_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:28:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To make sure I'm understanding this correctly, I open up Cmd as an Admin and just paste the lines I want to use?
brrrrip ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 13:57:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a batch script.
Open notepad.
Paste this in.
*File > Save as... *
Somefilename.bat
You have to manually type the extension in the file name box, and just leave the type as txt.
Make sure the file has the bat extension.
It should have an icon of a program window with gears in it.
Then you can just right-click it and 'run as administrator'.
There are other ways to deal with this, but this way is usually easiest for me. Just paste it into notepad and save it as a batch file.
Seabass7857 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:45:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who isn't as versed on this side of things, what exactly does this do outside or removing some of these useless Win10 apps? Don't need a full list but just a general idea. I wouldn't want to adversely affect anything.
brrrrip ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:17:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, lets see....
It kills the diagnostic and app push services and disables them in the registry.
Kills the scheduled tasks related to the telemetry (usage stats), and disables them in the registry.
disables app advertising id, smartScreen filter for store apps, localization for websites, hotspot sharing, and shared hotspot auto-connect.
Changes windows update settings to notify to schedule restart, and disables P2P update downloads outside of the LAN
Hides the search box on the taskbar.
Disables jumplists for xaml apps.
The windows explorer opening to 'this pc' or the 'quick access' screen is there, but it is commented out atm. Just delete 'REM' at the beginning of line 84 to enable that tweak. By default it will set it to open 'this pc'.
It removes a lot of the default windows universal apps except windows maps and the calculator.
It enables showing file extensions for known files types.
And uninstalls OneDrive, and disables it in the registry.
Then it kills the explorer, and restarts it.
This would be a pretty nice and easy way to set up a work terminal for a business. Running batch scripts without knowing exactly what they do really isn't a good idea. This one changes a lot of things. You might not want to run this on a home pc depending on what you want or use without customizing it a bit. You can just add 'REM' without the quotes to any line you don't want to run. (commenting out)
For example, if you didn't want it to uninstall one drive, comment lines 126 through 134.
If you don't want it to show common file extensions then comment out line 121.
If you want it to show hidden files then un-comment line 115.
If you like the new 3d Builder app and want to keep it, then comment line 87.
This script seems like a monster list of code, but it's commented fairly well and broken into sections.
Line numbers? comments? How can I make this easier to read?
I use notepad++ set up fairly simply.
install notepad++
install the VS2015 Dark Theme for Notepad++ as per the instructions on that page.
Download the input font and install it/them; particularly the inputsans light.
Open (or close and reopen) notepad++, go to the settings menu and then preferences.
in the editing section, make sure display line number is checked.
Click ok, and close that.
In settings > style configurator, the select theme drop down should be set to vs2015-dark, and set the font drop down to inputsans light.
Check all the global font boxes below.
To color this batch file properly, open the file in notepad++, click the language menu, hover over B, and select batch.(if its not already selected)
You should now have a very pretty display of this batch file that's really easy to read through, and you have line numbers.
Hold ctrl and mouse scroll to make the font larger or smaller.
Just my personal preference. I like it.
This is what it looks like:
https://i.imgur.com/i74DuNd.png
Anyway, cheers.
Seabass7857 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:53:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, amazing reply. A huge thank you for this information, I really appreciate it. Like you said, the code lays it out pretty logically so I'll go through it line by line to ensure I'm only removing the parts I want to remove.
This is for a personal PC so ultimately I'm just looking to remove some of the bloatware that's installed by default with Win10. Why I'm unable to remove the default OneNote application after I purchased Office 365 is beyond me...
SickleWings ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:14:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, you're a saint.
Just so you know, I'm going to be running this when I get home, and when I have questions you're gonna be my go-to guy. I hope that's okay with you!
Ninenine222 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:24:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ran this without knowing anything like an idiot on my home computer and want to undo it, is there any way you can help?
brrrrip ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok, this is bang on the exact opposite of the script you ran.
The only rub is that you need to open an admin powershell and run this first command separately after the script finishes to re-install the default apps. It is different from the normal command that you will find on the net due to the fact that it gathers the manifests from allusers. Just search powershell from the start menu, and right-click 'run as administrator'. Copy and paste this first command in and run it.
Well, that and it's going to turn on and enable all the data-collections options again, no matter what you had it previously set to.
Just remember that you can add REM to the beginning of lines/sections you don't want it to do.
I have tested this and it works in a fresh VM of win10. That's kinda what took me so long. Sorry I can't run the apps powershell command automatically. Double quotes in the line get in the way.
Ninenine222 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:00 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're amazing, thank you so much! I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this.
brrrrip ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give me a little while to dig through the batch file. I'll work through and try to come up with a batch of the opposite commands.
It'll take a little bit though.
Ninenine222 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate you so much!
MTOMalley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also did this... Really wish it didnt kill the photoviewer! Woops.
brrrrip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/736tfh/skype_is_officially_bloatware_uninstalled_it/dnoxlfk/
WhatWasWhatAbout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the font in notepad++ would be dictated by the theme at that point. If you wanted InputSans Light, you'd have to check "Enable Global Font".
brrrrip ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup yup. missed that part. ty.
I do have global font enabled.
cheers
Robert_Cannelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:27:41 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lovely font. Thank you!
In your screenshot, "start=" is blue. What makes it blue? For me it's the color of the rest of the line (white).
I note that my DOS commands are dark blue and the system variables are light blue, FWIW.
brrrrip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I had never really noticed that.
But looking at it, my lists of keywords for the batch style in the configurator is different between my desktop and laptop.
My desktop looks like you described.
That screenshot is off my laptop.
I normally don't mess around with things like that.
The only difference I can see is that my desktop (like yours) is version 7.4.2, and my laptop is still v7.3.2(with the blue).
If I go download the zip version of v7.3.2 and check it, it has the same keyword list as my laptop.
so...... looks like it's just NP++ version differences.
If you want, open the style config, go to batch on the left, and then the keyword option in the style section.
Throw the following into the user-defined box.
I know it duplicates a lot of them, but it won't matter.
Robert_Cannelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:47 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
moeb1us ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:38:00 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not use the font consolas?
Rimeheart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:49 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
underrated comment here.
Jer_Cough ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:21:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remove bloatware and turns off a bunch of the phone home stuff
markus9229 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't remove anything for me. Tried running it many times with a fresh W10 install in VM and nothing. It removed onenote tho, but that's it.
hawkcore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this work for window 7? Obviously I don't have one drive so that line of code won't do anything right?
brrrrip ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, this tweaks windows 10's universal apps and telemetry settings that aren't present in windows 7.
This is pretty much for Win10 only.
Not that you are missing anything. Win7 is pretty much ok by default.
hawkcore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok thanks. My window 7 is getting slower, I already did a few sessions of program purge, but it is still very slow. I am always looking for new way to disable or delete programs that got forced into my computer.
brrrrip ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner (the infiltration is fixed now)
Malwarebytes
Run the free scan of hitman pro.
Check msconfig for services(not microsoft) and startup you can disable.
Check the 'C:\Windows\logs\CBS' folder. Delete everything in there.
In an admin cmd window run:
Defrag the hard drive with something like defraggler.
That's probably as good as you are going to get it.
pattiobear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:57 on October 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In addition to brrrip's comment: if you don't have your OS on an SSD, that will make a massive difference.
_BindersFullOfWomen_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:07:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, thank you
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:30 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've run it as a .bat file and I get "ERROR: Access is denied." for many of the commands. Do you know why? It's on a fresh install of Windows and I have full admin access.
brrrrip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:55 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right click it and run as admin.
That's that only reason I can think that you would be getting denied access.
Even though you are an admin on the system, you will be running things as your user on the user permission level unless you specify 'run as administrator'
When you run things with admin permissions, you should get a user account control pop-up asking you if you want that program to make changes to your system. If you don't get that UAC pop-up, you either aren't running with admin permissions, or you have user account control diabled.
The only other reason you might be getting denied is if you are connected to a domain network, and the group policy for the domain is blocking it. In that case, you would need to speak to the system/network admin to mess with this. I highly doubt this is your case though. It would be beyond foolish to be running something like this on a domain-connected work computer that doesn't belong to you.
I think I didn't mention running as admin in my first comment. I will go back and edit it.
Thanks, and I hope that helps you out.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:26 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it still denies me access when I click "run as admin" on Command Prompt and also by opening Properties, though I should clarify that it only denies access for certain tasks. Most of the apps got uninstalled without any issues. This is my personal computer, a brand new machine with a factory reset to stock Windows, with only one user that has full admin control and it's not part of any workgroup. It's very baffling. I don't have a personal firewall installed - perhaps Windows Defender is blocking me? I even disabled UAC entirely.
When I get home, I'll check c:\windows\system32 permissions, and I've read that pinning Command Prompt to the start menu might also work (go figure).
I'll post a pastebin later tonight and try to figure out which tasks are being denied.
brrrrip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for sure.
Once you find out what commands are failing, that will at least give you a starting point to begin looking at why it's failing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:05 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm such a goober... I realized that I neglected to run the .bat file as an administrator. Everything is good now, thank you!!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:46:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jantari ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, that is an old-style batch script.
Naraki_Kennedy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:47:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. Sorry for the trouble.
avenlanzer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back up your computer.
Paste the script in notepad
comment out the parts you don't want to use or don't understand
save it as a .BAT file
Back up your computer because we both know you skipped either item 1 or item 3 and if it fucks everything up at this point its on you.
double click to run the batch script file
Panic because you didn't do either #1, #3, or #5 and don't know what the script does and you're getting errors everywhere now.
Check back on this thread in a few days for a reverse script for those who experienced #7 because many people are crying.
ImKrypton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:28:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe 5 hours
Lurking_Grue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very nice.
Some of that stuff should have been in domain policy instead of batch files but hey I'm grabbing this anyways.
allottedchunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologies for this noob question but what does all of this do? This looks like a helluva lot and I donโt quite understand it. Iโve been trying so many things to make my Win10 Pro run faster and more secure but am worried Iโm going to accidentally fuck my pc up
snailshoe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:16:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt run anything you donโt understand.
That goes for this post and any other tips online. There may be things in here that would help you out, but there maybe things that you use or need. And if you donโt understand it, there it no way to tell which is which and verify if this will be good for you or not.
allottedchunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great advice! I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Any recommendations on how best to learn about this sort of stuff? I really appreciate the help
snailshoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The REM lines are commets that give some information as to what is going on. The best way to start would be to google those items to see what they do. For example โWi-Fi senseโ might not be immediately clear as to what you might use it for, but after googling youโd see that it is probably something youโd want to keep enabled if you use Wi-Fi networks.
allottedchunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I learned that I needed WiFi Sense the hard way lol. I really wanna learn these things because Iโd love to build my own rig but I canโt seem to find the right place to start
Q1189998819991197253 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, OP's post is just a script that you'd save as a .bat and run that removes all the aforementioned programs that come with win10. If you don't know what you're doing and think you probably need those programs, don't run it.
That's basically all it is.
stevil30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes there is - documentation by the person who posted it as to why each item is turned off.
snailshoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reread his post and mine. He says he doesnโt understand it. If he doesnโt understand it, how will he know what he is doing?
stevil30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
by the person who posted the script
Someprofilename ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what do i do with this and where does it go and what does it remove exactly? forgive my ignorance. i have an acer with their bloatwear and id love that shit to vanish. im just missing context and instructions
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Someprofilename ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some of it comes back. im also computer stupid... like i can't remove one drive shit like that. i just want a crash corse on exactly the base shit i need running... idk sorry
tworkout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually use onedrive and zune. I'll cut that out and use it for the rest though, this is phenominal.
orcusmorcus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not forget Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online
Removes all of the appx packages from the 'package store' so it wont put them back in if you generate another account. The above command removes them all, so be careful. You can follow the format of the command above (the appname) as above to take out specific ones..
kentgrav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:43 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the script. I saw it and did some research on a few other scripts out there that people have written to clean up their systems. I then compiled everything I found and re-wrote it in PowerShell making it a bit easier to add and remove things you may want or not want changed or removed. I also teach PowerShell scripting and figured it would be a nice project to have my students do. So I also added some comments describing what some of the registry keys are used for as best I could.
Additionally, it creates a system restore point for you prior to executing if you choose to.
Here is my script. Any feedback is welcomed. Enjoy!
https://github.com/kentgrav/PowerShell/blob/master/Windows-Cleanup.ps1
Naraki_Kennedy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:34:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to ask this, but I don't have a lot of time to read through comments right this second. Is this just to remove unnecessary processes and apps?
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:04:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 has a ton of unnecessary background services and telemetry phoning home to Microsoft. It hurts performance and can affect network performance for the whole friggen network with no benefit to you except better ads.
LordMcze ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:07:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a must have if i have shitty internet?
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we have an office still using a T1 line, and until we ran a similar script, everytime a Windows update was available their internet would go down.
Naraki_Kennedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So do these scripts need to be run every time you start your computer or just the one time?
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:20:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully just once but Windows updates can break anything.
TrigglyPuffs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you try to update, and it doesn't find the app that's being updated, will it still update?
I think I remember reading something about it halting the whole process.
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience it skips or reinstalls. Windows update seems to lock up a lot without any modifications anyways, reboot will usually fix itself.
Naraki_Kennedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is so true it hurts. I'll definitely look into this though. I have been looking for a way to reduce bloat.
DraugTheWhopper ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:05:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This removes a bunch of unneeded stuff, but it goes way further than that and changes a lot of things that users outside of enterprise environments should not be messing with. I strongly recommend not running this script unless you understand what each component does. Otherwise, you risk unexpected behavior, and possibly even issues in the future when you attempt to upgrade Windows.
jkitsimple4now ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, I think I'd use this if it had a revert script.. so I could test it out
Arcosah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it removes a ton of Windows default programs as well like Photo Viewer. You'd need to dig through it and comment out the stuff you don't want to remove.
gumenski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remove Windows sound recorder and calculator though ..?
Fuckin vicious. :\
CaptOblivious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:55 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want them rem them out.
spiritriser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!remindme 4 hours
fajank0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
remindMe! 1 hour
bigdog927 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing.
milicjant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
goodie
mmavcanuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a Mac guy that recently built a gaming pc.
I think I love you.
evrydayzawrkday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent work, but I am going to try and write this up in PowerShell sometime later today. Batch files always make me sad...
codewatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:11 on November 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you end of up doing this? I would like that code if you wouldn't mind.
Live_Ore_Die ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
dougeff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why uninstall OneDrive?
shouldbebabysitting ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't use it, why have it running? I've been meaning to remove it because I don't use it and some apps default to the OneDrive\Documents folder for saving which is extremely annoying if I click to fast and don't change the folder. (My hobby is tv ripping/encoding so my files are gigabytes in size- definitely not onedrive friendly.)
dougeff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, makes sense.
altodor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whelp, you can. I just can't figure out how to properly escape them. They also break on blank lines.
Whatever_It_Takes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I tryed inputting these commands and removing the errors as they popped up, which didn't stop happening, just kept getting more errors. The only thing this whole command line managed to do was get rid of the search bar on the start menu lmao. "Easy" copy and paste, my fuckin ass.
carson6412 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:05:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From another commitment higher up
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/736tfh/skype_is_officially_bloatware_uninstalled_it/dno8j6p
This isn't a command, you save it as a script and then run it. It can be very dangerous to just randomly use scripts that you find online. Make sure you fully understand how to use / what it does before you run anything.
RemyMaxwell1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you use this code? Been looking for an explanation in this thread
avenlanzer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:50:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back up your computer.
Paste the script in notepad
comment out the parts you don't want to use or don't understand
save it as a .BAT file
Back up your computer because we both know you skipped either item 1 or item 3 and if it fucks everything up at this point its on you.
double click to run the batch script file
Panic because you didn't do either #1, #3, or #5 and don't know what the script does and you're getting errors everywhere now.
Check back on this thread in a few days for a reverse script for those who experienced #7 because many people are crying.
xxwerdxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the uninitiated, do I just open up cmd and paste all this in?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Q1189998819991197253 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'd be fine. It just removes a few programs that he most likely can go without even if he doesn't understand.
xxwerdxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough
avenlanzer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back up your computer.
Paste the script in notepad
comment out the parts you don't want to use or don't understand
save it as a .BAT file
Back up your computer because we both know you skipped either item 1 or item 3 and if it fucks everything up at this point its on you.
double click to run the batch script file
Panic because you didn't do either #1, #3, or #5 and don't know what the script does and you're getting errors everywhere now.
Check back on this thread in a few days for a reverse script for those who experienced #7 because many people are crying.
xxwerdxx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:00:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I can do this lol
For step 8, do you recommend sniveling or straight up bawling?
avenlanzer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bawling feels more appropriate.
jordan177606 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Past it in notepad or notepad++ and make sure to comment out the parts you dont want it to uninstall like onedrive by adding REM to the from of the lines. And this script is the exact opposite.
a_ziplining_baby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should get this in a repo and add some options to toggle what's removed.
EatingKidsDaily ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this idempotent? Can I safely run it multiple times (via scheduled task, for example)?
Luminanc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe!: "Do this tomorrow"
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 18:43:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:23:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Nose-Nuggets ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:51:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i saw his post and the first thing that jumped to mind....
http://i.imgur.com/9XrBc.png
Banemorth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking... I hope that didn't kill anyone.
ShiversTheNinja ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:56:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One guy claimed to be in the hospital after trying it.
Banemorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't doubt it. I knew where it was going as soon as it talked about finding things in your bathroom but I know kids that have no business being on 4chan are on there and while doing that is dumb they don't deserve to die for not knowing. I always liked the whole charge your phone by microwaving it and shit but this could be tragic.
Edit: https://j.gifs.com/1r1GXj.gif
DiaperBatteries ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh cool, I'll do that with my son tonight!
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:10:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're probably joking, but that's actually really dangerous, so you should wear gloves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safety glasses are also a must when working with this recipe.
Drazzul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disgusting, some kid could have died for a few luls.
Nose-Nuggets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We call that natural selection. It's good for the health of the species.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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boom3r84 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:48:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What it does is in plain sight. Nothing is being hidden. People can look up each of these functions to see what it does.
It's like the numbers on food labelling. You don't need to have it explained in detail on the product when the information is out there and available.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, amazing angel of Gaben
CANTFINDCAPSLOCK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
ThePantryMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You da man
Vennificus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/qu0the might enjoy this
Qu0the ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:20 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is excellent, ill try it later
Vennificus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:54 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be sure to modify it, some things are necessary for what we do
IronMermaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 7pm to do this when I get home from work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IronMermaiden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are so lovely. Thank you.
AmeliaLeah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
Byrrstro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 2 days
barrtender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing. Saving this for later!
doc_brietz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this for Win10 or 8? Is there one for 8?
NeedHelpWithExcel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this worth it for Win7?
HangmanforHire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so so much!
ThePlanetTheyFear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet!
pzlq17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... this is super helpful. Thank you for posting this!
sysdevpen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
High_Duke_of_Pierogi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
FeralBadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How delightful.
zeekaran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What image viewer do you use then?
robkabob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been trying to remove telemetry for a year now. If this works you're a fucking god.
Kytsuine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the ShutUp10 thing bundled with TronScript, also.
LawlessCoffeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do some of the things say REM in front of them? Do they still do something?
ItsDominare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, those lines are comments and are ignored. REM is equivalent to /* or // in various actual programming languages.
LawlessCoffeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why are some of them there? I can see some are comments, but some are just services that I'm not sure if should be disabled or not.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LawlessCoffeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand most of it, I'm just not hugely familiar with powershell.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On phone and want to save this.
Dommeeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
followupquestions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost everything gone ) 'flipboard', 'iens' and 'mincraft w10 beta' still remaining though.
Didactic_Tomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems too complex and scary for somebody like me..
Contradiction11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where am I pasting this?
agesixracer123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will this affect any of my programs?
-VMWare
-GNS3
-Ableton Live
-Traktor
wm_destroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
Shalterra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!Remindme 4 hours
umopapsidn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is incredible
Roygbiv856 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pasted this into powershell and nothing happened. What gives?
ign_Drakina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving for later!
NigelLeisure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a way to do this for my phone?
acyclebum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved. Thank you!
xlaxplaya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is every line that starts with REM just a comment? Does that mean I have to remove the REM if I want that line to run? Also, what's with the lines that start with @rem?
I don't know much about powershell.
jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a PowerShell script, PowerShell would be easier to read. It's a Batch file, for the old legacy Windows command prompt (cmd). And yes, REM lines are comments.
SpeculationMaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:02:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn son. Thanks
Holicone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain what certain things do?
REM schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\Windows\Time Synchronization\SynchronizeTime" /Disable
Does not really sound bad, it sounds like youre disabling that the Windows time syncs itself with the "correct time", which is good, isnt it?
mediaocrity23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it has REM in front, it is a comment
DraugTheWhopper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which means that whoever built this didn't know what they were doing, and was just disabling things until something broke and they had to roll back. Definitely a good approach to system administration...
mediaocrity23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he is listing all the schtasks and in the change control left them in for future reference
DraugTheWhopper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I doubt it. If there's only a couple of REMed out lines in the script, then
If someone hacked a script together that disabled w32tm or any other time sync system, then I wouldn't trust their scripts with a ten-foot pole.
Tavyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the reg file that turns off
Microsoft\Windows\SettingSync\BackgroundUploadTaskmentioned in the script?xnfd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This removed the Movies & TV app which I liked because it had really fast scrubbing compared to MPC-HC or VLC. Which one was it and how do I get it back?
Greggster990 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can download the app from the Microsoft store on your computer.
l0_0I ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is one with even more options including adding features back in
https://gist.github.com/alirobe/7f3b34ad89a159e6daa1
Aonbyte1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link a pastie or something.
caizer68 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:05:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a link now, didn't think of reddit formatting.
Tr3v0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do i change it to .bat? Everytime i change the name or in properties, it still opens as a text file
Syarasu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open the text file
click "save as.."
name it something.bat
change "save as type:" from Text documents to All files
djpokeboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much mate. Now Windows 10 may be a bit moer bearable.
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH, Win 10 wasn't a huge change for me. Although this script helped get rid of a ton of bloatware.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have always been relevant, just depends on how you use them. I do a lot of remote support. So even a simple batch file for IP release and renew is great. I don't have to walk a user through opening cmd and typing it.
calexbg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get an explain it like I'm 5 as what this .bat will do for me?
mediaocrity23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This batch file will remove a lot of Windows 10 Apps, disabled tracking and diagnostics (data that gets sent to microsoft about your PC use), some general quality of life adjustments and uninstalls OneDrive. I'd be careful applying this to your own PC as the changes to the registry are hard to undo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Candy Crush is in the list, if not it isn't hard to add it.
USMC-echo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dare say my PC is running like an obese person who just lost their obesity overnight.
jerdub1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is "@rem" for at the beginning of each section?
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The REM command only remarks the line from being executed.
If you want to have the commands shown when the batch file is run, but still want to hide the REM lines type @REM instead of REM.
jerdub1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, ok thanks!
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of those lines where in there when the file was sent to me. I just marked commands I didn't think needed to run with a rem or @rem. Some of them already had the rem/@rem on them.
TwixSnickers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many Thanks!
black_brotha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oooh
Joshopolis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious, why disable Time Synchronization? Shouldn't that be pretty important?
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is just a remark, not an active command.
DefinitelyNotMozart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks m8
saltedfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you break down what this does? I definitely want to get rid of some bloatware, but also want to keep some things.
J4maicanC4ndy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
+Million for getting rid of that annoying search bar
ciwt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant, thanks
DrezGracer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
AndrewnotJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:44 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is good to know for PC/Windows stuff
Lexicarnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:11 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't feel like it should affect it, but these are aimed at W10? I didn't get a choice, and accidentally updated to it lol
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:32 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you accidently updated to Win 10?
As long as you have Win 10 you can use this script.
Make sure you look at the apps it is removing, I have seen some people saying that they ran it and it removed something that they used. Check all the lines and see, if there is an app that you want to keep you can either delete that line or put rem at the front of it.
Lexicarnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:27 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there is a longer story, but it was easier to say it was an accident. I left my pc at a friend's house after a gaming session. I let him log in to play some of my games. There was some miscommunication, because he got an update notification.
It got lost in communications that this was the upgrade from 7 to 10. I told him it was okay, assuming it was just a patch or something as I wasn't ready for 10 yet .
Also thanks for the clarification
lazylion_ca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:38 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would github be a good place for this?
caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From yesterday it looked like there are quite a few other scripts like this one on github.
2Punx2Furious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this also work on Windows 7, or only in Win 10?
caizer68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win 10
catipillar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:54 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi! Sorry. This question is emabrassingly stupid, but if this gets rid of all of these evil windows apps, then where do I paste it to in the first place?
caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copy into notepad and when you do a save as change the Save As Type to all files and name the file what you want with a .bat at the end of it.
Make sure you look at the apps it is removing, I have seen some people saying that they ran it and it removed something that they used. Check all the lines and see, if there is an app that you want to keep you can either delete that line or put rem at the front of it.
Flabbergash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:08 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bat file is hanging on:
Deployment operation progress: Microsoft.3DBuilder14.1.1302.0_x64_8wekyb3d8bbwe Initialized
is this normal?
caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:54 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen it hang. If that line is a problem you can always put rem infront of it and it will make the command a comment instead.
Making it a comment will prevent it from running, so the file will skip that line and continue.
TwilightDelight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:54 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks so much for sharing the script. For a complete Noob like me would you be able to share some simple steps to run this please. I opened power shell in Win10 and copied it but had some error messages so wasnt sure if it executed correctly. Thanks.
IdanTs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:01 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a quick question after the dust has setteled:
When I install a fresh copy of windows 10, update it to it's latest updates, is it always recommended (for me, my friends, etc) to run those scripts without even a double think?
And thanks for this!
(Just to be clear - are all those tasks/services/apps are totaly un-needed?)
caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:41 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recommended: no
You should always look into a script before you run it, never run something on your computer you haven't looked to see what it does.
This is script was designed with business computer in mind not a home user, so a few apps are removed that a home user might want/need. If you are going to run this script look at all the apps and make sure something isn't being removed that you would like to keep.
If there is a app you want to keep you can either:
Delete the line
or
put @rem infront of the line to make it a comment and not a command.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:24 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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caizer68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:55 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes save it then make it into a .bat file then you can run it. Or copy and paste it into powershell.
darkmdbeener ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:00 on October 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
odd for some reason maps and calc do not uninstall.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:56 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nighght ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:57 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remindme! 1 day
SherSlick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:46 on November 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have this script on GitHub by chance?
hidingplaininsight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:31 on December 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I know you didn't create this, but perhaps you could help me.
I'm trying to run these programs, but I keep getting an error, saying that access is denied. Any idea on how to prevent that?
@rem *** Remove Telemetry & Data Collection *** reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Device Metadata" /v PreventDeviceMetadataFromNetwork /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\DataCollection" /v "AllowTelemetry" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\MRT" /v DontOfferThroughWUAU /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\SQMClient\Windows" /v "CEIPEnable" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\AppCompat" /v "AITEnable" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\AppCompat" /v "DisableUAR" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection" /v "AllowTelemetry" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f reg add "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\AutoLogger\AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f reg add "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\AutoLogger\SQMLogger" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
IndirectCell ยท 1825 points ยท Posted at 12:24:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like powershell has become the new regedit :x
[deleted] ยท 1036 points ยท Posted at 12:52:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's safer than regedit, and when there are mistakes powershell is really good at reporting the error. Plus being able to connect with azure AD is great for management.
aloehart ยท 374 points ยท Posted at 12:55:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell back when I worked tier 2 help desk I had 90% of the issues I was assigned scripted out in powershell. It's basically the bash of the Microsoft world.
Smart_in_his_face ยท 315 points ยท Posted at 13:10:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They teach powershell classes at my uni. You can even do your bachelors project on Powershell.
Any tech company that use Microsoft services can have great use out of it to. A decent IT guy making scripts can make any IT department run smoothly with just a big library of scripts for all kinds of tasks.
Add new users? Script it.
Change permissions? Script it.
Roll out new clients workstations? Scriptz!
aloehart ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 13:16:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can go so far as to wrap a bunch of scripts into a gui for a catch all application
Smart_in_his_face ยท 370 points ยท Posted at 13:19:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some guy at my uni made one big powershell script as his Bachelors a few years ago.
Roll out a new windows installation on a network, install and setup literally everything needed to use for any user. All the programs and settings, all the networking and permissions. The script was thousands of lines.
He got a job immediately because the script came with him when he graduated.
powershell is cool.
Gequinn ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 13:28:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While cool, sounds like that would have been better implemented with just using SCCM.
Cosmic_Failure ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 13:35:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not every company has SCCM money :(
Gequinn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:50:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're definitely right. I read the comment in haste and was thinking that he made it for his University specifically in addition to using it for his bachelor's. The University definitely has SCCM money for sure.
Shuffledrive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use FreeIPA & Spacewalk! :D
Edit: Just moved jobs. Remembered my company is too cheap for satellite. Lol
Cosmic_Failure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had never heard of FreeIPA before but it looks impressive. Unfortunately I'm in a strictly Windows shop. I'll probably play with it in my lab though
Shuffledrive ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:13:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Linux admin here. Company is too cheap for Red Hat, so we do all CentOS lol
Cosmic_Failure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to get more into the Linux admin side of things but the company is shelling out for my Microsoft training for the time being
Shitty_Users ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:49 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worked for a VOIP company a bit ago and CentOS was perfect for SMBs and honestly I could see it working for large scale companies as well.
Seiryth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even without sccm, you can do so much now with the OSD and Wsus for free.
Cool that your friend did this, but any business relying on a 1000+ line script for deployment is asking for trouble when he leaves. And he will evetuallly
Cosmic_Failure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't my friend, I was just commenting on the fact that not everyone can afford SCCM. I actually work for an MSP with small clients so even trying to get them to spring for an additional license for things like WSUS is a tough sell, but I definitely know where you're coming from.
Iohet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GPO push with an INI? Granted, your company may not be able to afford AD either
GoGoGadgetSalmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then couldn't you just use WDS & MDT?
Shitty_Users ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MDT is powerful enough to do what it sounds like they did and it is free.
Cosmic_Failure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but it requires a server (and license) to run it on and a lot of small businesses won't spring for more than a single domain controller, and honestly most of them don't even want to spend the money on that much.
spikeyfreak ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 13:35:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all companies have or can afford SCCM. PowerShell is free.
Megarhurtz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:46:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MDT and WDS are free though and will handle all of your small scale deployment needs.
Gequinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo.
spikeyfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I agree. Edit: Add in PowerShell DSC and you have the trifecta.
artvandelay440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:00 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Desired State configuration is more for keeping servers inline of a specific task configuration at scale. Doesn't really translate super well to managing user endpoints.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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daniejam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SCCM is piss easy to use compared to some of the other management software.
The problem with it is MS documentation is pathetic.
spikeyfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a large environment it's really, really powerful.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:45:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We just started using OSD in our enterprise environment and holy shit is that a time saver. No more using Ghost and updating images. We use standard Dell models throughout so drivers are pretty straight forward. Program catalog allows standard users to install approved programs without putting in a ticket. We are going to have to find something else for the Jr. to do in our dept.
kingofthesofas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer MDT for that these days.
ComputeGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SCCM sucks though and has never worked right for any company I have been with. Plus, even in the best situation, it can be wonky with computers that aren't on the domain.
Gequinn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having the computer on the domain is kinda the point, isn't it?
Nithryok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cant wait for sccm, how's the 2016 version compared to 2012? getting it next month
Dixie_Flatlin3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SCCM is trash
Source: Currently using SCCM
Bogus1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you have people who dont know how to use it...end up taking 5 hours for one image....multiple fails
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:13:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a consumer version of this? I try to keep up to date with tutorials that focus on what you need to do after a fresh Windows install, but things change so quickly, and the net feels like it's plagued with misinformation and Gizmodo articles.
I'd love to dive into doing this sort of thing myself.
Smart_in_his_face ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can probably make a script for fresh windows installs on a consumer level. But honestly if you are concerned about things changing quickly, then a PS script won't be your solution. You will probably have to make edits on the script each time to account for new stuff coming out anyway, and then you are pretty much where you started.
For consumer stuff, I just use ninite.com. You get all the programs in one handy installer without the bloatware that comes with.
Get the most naked windows you can, remove some stuff you don't like. Then run windows update, get some drivers, and finally ninite to finish the job. You should be good to go after that.
IsaacEiland-Hall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep the installer! Run it every week or so and it'll update all the programs included in that installer. :)
justapoeboyy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:29:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious. Are you saying that the employer partly hired him because they get to use his script? If so, does it basically become their property? He made it before he started there so I assume not.
aloehart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:44:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the person you're talking to but it's his property unless he explicitly signed it over. He can use it while working there but until he inks a transfer it still belongs to him
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/ITCareerQuestions
Smart_in_his_face ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:53:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how it works. If the script is owned by the school or the student.
But it's pretty common at my uni for students to write their project directly for a business. Maybe the guy wrote it for the business and he made them exactly what they asked for.
justapoeboyy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's interesting but I would hope the business would not be allowed to use it unless they hire the person. Otherwise, that would seem like a cheap way if getting some free labor.
Smart_in_his_face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Free" is probably not the word I would use. The company have to have a student councilor to help whoever is doing the project for 4 months, in addition to the schools councilor. The student is writing their bachelors project for the company after all.
And the benefits are pretty nice. You get real experience with business outside of school, you get a real-world assignment instead of a theoretical one at school. And lastly you get exposure to a company that does real IT and potential job opportunities.
Once you graduate you can start asking for employment, but as a full-time student stuff like "exposure" and "experience" is awesome because you essentially get it for free while you are a student.
gort818 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So like kickstart?
theelous3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds absolutely terrible.
justinxduff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you use powershell to image a machine? WDS exists for a reason.
Smart_in_his_face ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that you can script WDS in powershell.
A good powershell script can include literally any windows service installed, or if it not, just install it.
Voice_Powered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds FAR too efficient for any major contractor.. or the government.
raunchyfartbomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, well I made a script that downloads a customized set of robot OS software from an internal network based off user-set parameters. In CMD.
Unfortunately our software guy doesn't like it, so I kept it to myself. He likes them to manually navigate multiple folders and copy the files they need. Whatever. Made my life easier.
lapishelper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too bad powershell syntax is fucking retarded.
CrMyDickazy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does that mean?
Shitty_Users ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he could have done the same with SCCM.
Zjurc ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:37:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did this at work. Made a bunch of small scripts for Windows Server and Exchange to check users, delete them, create new ones, assign mail, disable/enable accounts etc.
Wrapped them all up in one Powershell toolkit gui. Hit a number and press enter. Fill out some info if needed. Very simple
interbuttzlulz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What toolkit gui did you use? Been wanting to do something similar.
Zjurc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell. It looks a lot like this. I wanted it this way because the size of the file is kept to a minimum and it's easy to drop it on a server and run it from there, if the need arises to do so.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:36:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep that's what made it easy to do. Basically if I had to touch AD or Exchange I would script it out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i've pretty much made my career so far by living in the CLI. you'd be surprised now many windows techs are hunt and peck/click, on both their keyboards and in their admin tools.
for shame!
aloehart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked years in IT helpdesks surrounded by tier 2 and 3 Microsoft Certified "Experts" who didn't know how to write a batch file. Glad I got out of that environment before it drove me nuts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what're you doing now, if you don't mind me asking?
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Software development and sever administration on a small DoD contract.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice. good to see someone else who graduated from "hell desk" and onto other successful opportunities.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just gotta keep that search going for new opportunities. I got comfortable in the mindless work of it for a while and that was a bad idea.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the mindless work was never acceptable to me, i get bored quickly and require constant new challenges. imagine a cattle/herding dog in sysadmin form. it's to the point now where i've hopped and advanced so quickly recently that i need to stay in a position and get some longevity or it'll start to look bad on my resume.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way. I'm glad I landed where I did. My job title is Software Developer but realistically I'm the contract's catch all. Everything from development to network security. From creating training materials to doing drone health checks. Never a dull moment for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sounds exciting. did you have a clearance going in, or did they sponsor you for it? i have some family and friends who are in the military and they always say that they need good people to do tech work, they're having a hard time finding quality consultants/contractors, and now there's a huge backlog/freeze on getting new clearances, so i'm stuck in the civvy private sector for now.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to get one for the job, but I got the job about a year and a half ago. It took 3 months to get my interim and a full year before the full clearance came through.
And there's definitely a backlog. We hired someone 6ish months ago and they still haven't gotten their interim.
If you happen to be in the Huntsville AL area and can handle ASP C# stuff they're hiring someone for development.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm on the west coast working 100% remote doing the infra side of a devops shop for a fully cloud hosted SaaS company now, so it's pretty much a unicorn gig for me at this point in my career.
i used to work for a DoD contractor during my helldesk time (they have a shop in rocket city too), but i have no desire or ambition to move out that way.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't blame you at all. It's a super cheap place to live but a bit boring. At least there's plenty of work though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you have EMC open, go into tracking log explorer, for example, and build a query. in the bottom, below the fields you use to search for email, it'll give you a powershell command that's gonna use for your search.
in some of the other options, such as changing mailbox permissions, it'll give it to you on the status page, it doesn't immediately jump out.
Example
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with the EAC (web console), there are now some things that are "powershell only" now, so be careful. i tend to err towards CLI first, and if i can't do what i want to do quickly (relative to urgency of the task), then i move to the GUI.
dfunked09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:04 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they take that functionality out in Exchange 2013?...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:37 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
couldn't tell you, personally. i went from exchange 2010 to O365 (where i'm much more prepared to manage via powershell, so that feature isn't as helpful for me anywhere).
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:29:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or a script that automates all the other scripts
nashpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually have a task that runs a script to run another script. It seemed like the easiest way to set it up. It basically creates a checkpoint of our VMs and copies them to another server that gets backed up.
altodor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do this often in Mac world. We use a FOSS tool called
outsetthat runs scripts as prescribed times, different from cron or launchd scheduling. A few of the ones I've written or reimplemented using this tool are scripts conditionally called by scripts.nashpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't recall the exatct reason I did this, it might be that I had a hard time telling to run the Powershell script, or maybe it was so the script wasn't copied a bunch of times, but it runs a .bat file that passes VM name and the copy directory to the powershell script as parameters and the powershell script does the backups
artvandelay440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:04 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Translate all of your scripts into functions and compile your functions into a module. Future you will thank present you.
nashpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:10 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only like 6 of them, but I will look into that, they are also commented pretty well lol
artvandelay440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:31 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't comment your scripts like
# this does a thingUse Comment Based help in your functions! This way, if I forget, or others are using my code, they can use Powershell's built in
Get-Helpto get the same help documentation you get from official cmdlets. Here's an example:Then you can call it's help files like this!
I_chew_aluminum_foil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One script to rule them all.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You jest but that is actually a thing
Archiver_test4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they throw you out because why do you need such a salary for doing 1 click jobs all day?
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just never showed them because we weren't allowed to use scripts. They weren't paying me enough as it was, let alone if I had to do all that shit manually.
Archiver_test4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been there done that. I feel for you man. I really do
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I'm long gone from that and should never be going back.
Archiver_test4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once made a simple ahk that typed out passwords because the stupid website didn't let us "paste" passwords. A simple Win + v. People see me as some kind of a super star when I get all passwords, hundreds in a day all correct and they're like "is that a 0 or an o". Then I had to make security scripts within that script to keep the file only for my eyes.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to say our contractor just used an ice cream truck to kidnap our new hires
GunnyMcDuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh?
Can you explain that?
aloehart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Management didn't allow us to use any script that wasn't written by company Developers. Regardless of your background, phone monkeys weren't allowed to do anything but answer phone calls, use active directory users and computers, and tier-2 could access Exchange.
AnimalFactsBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some monkeys live on the ground, while others live in trees.
ScriptThat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, writing a GUI in PowerShell sucks.. but it can be done. (yes, I do it too)
aloehart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ended up doing the gui in windows forms with C# calling the powershell scripts. Just easier and looks better
msg45f ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...pokemon?
VisualBasic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly recommend a Visual Basic GUI.
aloehart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used C# but yeah, better than the powershell implementation by far.
SexBobomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
basically what sql server management studio is... but T-SQL
gbtimmon ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 13:18:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its like its the 1980's on linux all over again!!
mcroft ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 13:27:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have been Unix in the 1980s
Wiiplay123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have been Eunuchs in the 9th century
mcroft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ow oof my bone
dreucifer ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 13:25:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Linux came out in 1991, bruh.
EternalOptimist829 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 13:27:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He meant Unix โบ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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boundbylife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:35:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows embrace of Powershell follows their formula of the Three E's: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
They had powershell as a scripting language. They ported Powershell to linux. They invite Linux-like commands into their domain, and then say "but look what more you can do with PS!" Now they are just waiting for the final E, when they say "all these features you so desperately require for your day-to-day function? we're disabling them in Linux. Move to MS or suffer."
themoose5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Richard Stallman just died a little inside with this comment.
DamienJaxx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:00:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ignorant question here - but when did PowerShell become so popular? I haven't really heard about until relatively recently. What is it commonly used for?
Smart_in_his_face ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:10:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell have been around for years.
It's essentially a scripting language for windows services. Before you would use cmd. Powershell is different in that it uses a lot of modern programming tech, like object orientation.
Like if you say
You get the service Audiosrv and whether or not it's running, which is Windows Audio. But Audiosrv is also an object you can do stuff with.
It's a shell language, but more powerful, so it's Powershell.
You won't hear much about it unless you are in a IT environment who use a lot of Microsoft products.. Windows clients, servers, exchange, sharepoint, System Center etc.
Tons of Microsoft services that can all be run from powershell scripts.
DamienJaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha, I suppose that's why I wouldn't have used it then in my everyday life. Thanks for the answer, my dude!
cosine83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also super extensible with modules. A lot of the big software vendors have modules for Powershell so you can script out and automate stuff. Super handy!
boundbylife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell 1.0 was out in 2006 alongside Vista. However, it's gained popularity as MS has started deprecating CLI commands in favor of wrapping them in PS. Eventually, the old-school CMD will go away entirely in favor of PS. They've also tied a number of Active Directory and Azure cloud functions to PS.
If you want to know when it really started to take off, it was probably PS 2.0 or 3.0, which were out with W7 and W8, respectively.
DamienJaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here I am still using CMD like a kid with Duplo blocks. Feeling like my parents felt 10-15 years ago sucks. Kids reading this, have empathy for your parents please.
SwarleyThePotato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what we do. Mid size O365/SP unit.
sleeplessone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who does this daily, if anyone is planning on doing IT related work on Microsoft systems and they arenโt learning Powershell they are doing it wrong.
I donโt even install the GUI on a number of our servers anymore itโs all configured via Powershell.
IShouldDoSomeWork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just for Microsoft services either. Last company I was at we used it for router configs to pull the variables out of a csv file and give us a txt file for each router. Other languages are designed for the network world but don't break it if it works.
monsieurleraven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:38 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Script yourself out of a job but never ever let management know.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:21:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rvf ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:37:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any sysadmin in charge of anything over a single digits worth of machines has already been scripting with something, otherwise they're either not doing their job or working harder, not smarter.
Also, another way to think about powershell is a command line that's designed to be easy to script. You don't have to write any scripts if you don't want to, just learn the basic options for most commandlets. So many people get bogged down trying learn powershell backwards (ie, learning it like a programming language) when it's better learned like most people learn bash (learn how to use the shell on an ad hoc basis, then start scripting in it).
FluffyToughy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:43:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone that does literally anything on a computer could benefit from knowing how to at script. Learning the basics is super simple, too.
BullRob ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:41:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having moved from sysadmin to software developer, the scripting required of a sysadmin is not even close to full time programming.
Not saying either profession is harder or easier than the other, but the scripting barely scratches the surface.
NoobInGame ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making your Windows installation behave like expected requires decent IT skills these days.
phatbrasil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:34:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
could be worse, it could be perl.
Gequinn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:28:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya just gotta dabble a bit, buddy. Just a little daaaabble.
h87ggfgy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Times are changing. Traditional sysadmin roles won't exist as we know them soon. Adapt and learn to code or die.
koobear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true of many fields and industries.
I used to work at a company that did stuff in agriculture, climate science, ecology, earth/environmental science, etc. so we hire a lot of scientists and science majors (bio, chem, soil science, etc.). We once interviewed a guy with a soil science/agriculture background and during the interview he said something along the lines of, "I thought you were looking for a scientist, not a programmer!" We just laughed and showed him the door.
Right now I'm back in grad school and I TA a class that's taken largely by pre-med/health students, as well as bio and chem majors. This is a required class, and there's a pretty heavy programming component. Turns out you can't analyze data without learning some Python or R or Excel/VBA. Similarly, my sister's a psych major. She has to take four semesters of programming-based statistics and data analysis to graduate.
AtlasDM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:36:46 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People like the guy you mentioned, who can't/won't adapt, are exactly the people that are going to get replaced with automation and live the rest of their lives on welfare. The most important skill a person can have now days is adaptability. Innovation requires change, and those who can't adapt are destined to fail. In this case, adaptation required coding ability, but the concept is the same for everyone.
joetheblow81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scripting and coding are very different things.
IchDien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Desired State Configuration for PS 4.0 and above. It's basically Chef/Puppet powered by PS.
anxious_ibex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jealous.
My Uni taught us intro to Java and I wanted to kill myself
LiberalApostate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any advice for learning more? I have some very very basic knowledge with powershell, and painfully built a few scripts to help add new users / update their 0365 accounts with name changes.
Very interested in learning more.
dgtlbliss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any benefit for end users to use Powershell, or just the IT Dept?
nashpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need a Powershell class. So much untapped potential for me it's ridiculous. I look forward to finding somewhere I can take one.
JCBh9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't realize that you can learn literally everything from google? I taught myself how to 3d model in 3ds max , texture it in photoshop, animate it, and then port it to unreal by just following youtube videos.
nashpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do realize that. But I am also going to school currently and plan to continue and would love to find a formal class in it especially one that pretains to a degree that I pursue. I don't see what is wrong with that.
memes_420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? Your uni teaches you powershell? That's kind of... shitty? Is it a thing for one class or do you have to use it consistently? We were taught bash scripting but it was one week of one course and we never had to use it again.
WeinerboyMacghee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I might be an idiot but I worked a help desk for a while as well in the army. I automated alot of my common tasks too...but when some contractors came in one time and a lot of it got fucked up when I was on vacation for a month.
I then realized I was a rusty and lazy idiot. Sort of reminded me of taking a math class for my undergrad years well after highschool. You don't use it so you lose it. Also I wasn't using powershell since this was government stuff so maybe that was the problem.
Either way do you ever get that way after you automate too much shit and get complacent? Just curiosity.
JCBh9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
didn't know there were so many month long vacations in the army
WeinerboyMacghee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ADOS job I worked for the guard at a Joint Operations Center for a few years when I was in.
ADOS isn't AGR as in it was not a permanent position it got renewed annually or as needed. My sixth year it got cut for funding then I got out cuz a boring as shit deployment to Kuwait was coming up.
We were emergency management. Like when wildfires happen we send out the states aviation unit with Bambi buckets or if a small towns water pump goes down we send out a 5000 gallon tanker, etc. We worked 3 days 2 days off then vice versa so everyone got two weekends off. If you were like me and stacked leave time all year because you never really needed more time off you had to burn it before the next year of orders.
I usually got a month or more off a year.
Quick edit: It was 24 hours so there were always two on duty. 7-7 each shift.
360_face_palm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow it's like Microsoft is finally learning to embrace the way of *nix
Now if only powershell, a proprietary product produced by one of the world's largest tech companies, was even close to as good as Bash or Zsh shells.
artvandelay440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a Windows systems administrator you'll either learn Powershell or be out of a job in 5 years if you're extremely lucky.
Etonet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what's the difference between a script and a program?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:10:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasnt that the idea behind powershell?
ftpcolonslashslash ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:32:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like thatโs an insult to bash.
Also, bash on windows is AMAZING now, if you have a chance, give it a try (though powershell admittedly has better OS integration).
_meegoo_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:09:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bash on windows is nice, but it's useless for administration purposes.
510Threaded ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can agree, but it is amazing for developers. Nothing beats having g++ installed natively
ftpcolonslashslash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For now. Itโs still in itโs infancy, once it gets some decent integrated powershell, itโll make life much better.
_meegoo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Microsoft will ever give bash full power on Windows. At the very least because they have got PowerShell and they would rather make people use that instead of bash.
Plus, don't forget that bash uses real Linux subsystem and Linux manages things differently from Windows. And making Windows pick up whatever changes you made from Linux is nearly impossible.
ftpcolonslashslash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ballmerโs gone, and the Linux subsystem team is in full force. They want to eat into the Linux market, and theyโre going to integrate Linux containers. Give it a few years, theyโre pushing HARD for Linux compatibility in azure and are using bash as an entry point. They know once they get Linux sysadmins on their side in any small measure, they can take a bite out of the server market, because laptops and desktops as we know them are dying a slow death.
_meegoo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just if that (giving bash full power) ever happens you would basically get Linux distro from Microsoft with proprietary software and really weird GUI that's cosplaying real OS.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell is much much better than bash, and that should be fairly obvious considering bash has nearly no features of its own other than
echoand text piping - both of which PowerShell can do as well.ftpcolonslashslash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think you have much experience scripting with bash or I donโt think youโd be saying that. Bash has so many features I canโt begin to list them all here, but the big ones I use all the time (many of which are included in powershell) are:
advanced variables, including dictionaries, arrays, integers, floats, etc.
while/for/if/select/case/until
the ability for scripts to take arguments
forking, and the ability to control and wait for said forks
exit code based flow control (&&/||)
comprehensive pipelining and redirection of outputs (2>&1, &>foo.txt, |, |&, etc)
compound commands and subshells
coprocesses
functions!!!
Bourne shell compatibility
This is just scratching the surface. Bash is not meant to control the entire operating system. Bash is supposed to run other programs which control the OS. This makes it so you can drop in any shell and not lose core functionality.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea these things are pretty standard, but PowerShell adds many modern things on top such as multi-dimensional arrays, being able to embed help, examples and documentation in a script or declare parameters as mandatory, native regex support and of course - object oriented by default.
The available ecosystem of cmdlets is just icing on the cake, but even without any of them available you'll see me ditch bash for PowerShell on Linux real quick.
ftpcolonslashslash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dictionaries (in bash since v4) are multidimensional arrays, regex is in bash (since v3), and case is generally used for help text. Documentation really should be in a standardized format (like man pages).
For object-oriented programming, youโre kinda going a bit beyond a script or shell in Linux, donโt you think?
I mean, at that point python, ruby, Java, etc make a hell of a lot more sense. If I needed to use .Net framework bits, I would use powershell then, where it makes sense, but thatโs just where the core purpose of bash and powershell diverge.
Bash is meant to be a primary interface to the operating system with scripting capabilities for automation, whereas powershell is meant more to be a .net scripting language.
YourShadowDani ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've made a Winforms app for my coworkers who don't know powershell to do some common troubleshooting tasks
photoframes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yet things in bash always seem out of my reach in PowerShell.
HeKis4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the COMMAND.COM of the future ?
Jack_BE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
powershell is in fact so good it's being ported to linux
kojimoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell is a lot better than bash
Unfunny_Asshole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Not restricted to slow, painful text parsing? Can load and call into any. NET dll? Proper development tools? There's definitely a lot to love with PS.
Patriark ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:09:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be me, but I think PowerShell is the biggest innovation Microsoft ever did. Bringing *nix control and order to Windows is exactly what good devs needed.
motdidr ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:46:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
which is great, but it would have been nice to just become POSIX compliant at some point. they have Ubuntu on Windows now and a bash shell that's slightly more integrated than cygwin/etc which is great but damn. in true Microsoft fashion they create something that's technically as good or better about ten years late and all completely different it takes a concerted effort to learn because none of your existing knowledge can transfer.
deadwisdom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:06:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure it's ever really "better". It's usually just enough different that they can sell training and support on it.
And then it quickly degrades because they stop caring.
Vidofnir ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always tell people that PowerShell is honestly more "powerful" than bash, but it comes at a price. Whereas your POSIX-compliant systems are string-based, i.e. everything is treated as a string, PowerShell is object-oriented. Which means certain tasks that are easy in *nix, such as grepping through a log file, can be a PITA to learn in PowerShell.
Of course, that turns into more job security for those who learn it!
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Select-String "ERROR" .\errorlog.logisn't exactly hard to use, and it even gives you the line number of the result(s)HeKis4 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few things are actually better than what it is supposed to implement, ie. the Verb-Noun thing.
Even if the Capitals-After-Hyphens-And-on-First-Word can go die in a hole, but that's just my opinion.
jantari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell isn't case-sensitive so that doesn't matter. You can write gEt-SeRvIcE if you want.
motdidr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's at least nice enough to not require that, even if it's the proper way to do it
artvandelay440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:26 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except Powershell is cross-platform and open source now so there's no putting the genie back in that bottle. It will continue to get better and better and better.
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:17:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I messed up so bad that Windows just stopped updating properly, failing every single one.
That's why I went with a normal "uninstall", because I don't trust myself with regedit.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:31:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just so that you know, you can export registry entries as reg files before you modify them so if something goes wrong, you can restore it with a double click. Also, most things that you would need to modify would be in your user specific section of regedit. If you stick to just playing around with your user specific values and screw something up too badly, is as easy to fix as making a new user account and removing the old one.
PowerSprayer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP needs some Linux in his life
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this guy is not going to get fucked
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the more recent tendency to pipe curl directly into their shell ๐ฑ
Hans_Sanitizer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Microsoft, that's some nice developer apps you have. Hey Microsoft, stop trying to force your developed apps on me.
mezz1945 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whats the difference between Powershell and CMD though?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell adds a bunch of features that made bash more user-friendly to windows and it is able to connect with online services such as azure AD. There's a lot more but those are the two big changes I saw. Oh also the background is blue.
mezz1945 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So CMD is basically useless now or did you oversimplify?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically useless now, but it's not completely dead. For many things the simpler command interface is faster to use. Powershell also tends to be a little slow on low powered systems. I use both at work depending on what I'm doing.
Contrite17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cmd is a bit lighter weight and faster but is significantly less feature rich.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see Windows users finally catching up to Unix from the 1980s :p
BetaSoul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad we've been using it as an exploit vector at work. People NEVER secure or patch it.
shorey66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do all versions of win10 have PowerShell. I have home edition abd couldn't find it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it might be hidden in Windows accessories, open the start menu and just type "powershell"
JCBh9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this guy has used any windows since 8
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What
Vidofnir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen. I make a decent living through PowerShell, and a little Python, administering and developing my team's Azure environment.
The other admins at my last job were all point'n'click. They used to go on about their years of experience when I'd suggest trying to automate process X or script task Y. I was new to the industry, not worth listening to.
They're still there, pointing and clicking, making half of what I make now.
Vlyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say safer.. tried to deactivate a Windows app, Powershell had a function that rebuilt the app index (Or whatever it's called), it pulled the wrong index and screwed the entire Windows app store over (As in everything was fully broken, even after around 10 hours of fiddling around I couldn't get it repaired). I lived without the apps then (The only thing that really bugged me was no calc..).
How did this happen? I followed a guide to deactivate one of the packages to the letter, the index that was automatically used during the rebuild was from an older version (Problem with the Windows update maybe?) and when the whole app store is broken it's not trivial to repair it again (The repair usually involves rebuilding the index.. which you still have the wrong version of and can't get a newer one with normal Windows updates, lol).
A large anniversary update months later fixed it again, but without that the only thing to repair it would have been a reinstall :-/
Twitbookspacetube ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 13:23:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell is a long overdue extrememly powerful replacement for the old command prompt. It's hands down the best admin tool on windows.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:01:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Saucermote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he means they changed the default command prompt in windows to powershell only recently.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Saucermote ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In one of the windows 10 recent builds they just changed which comes up by default when you invoke a command prompt. Applications can still invoke the old command prompt if needed.
It also doesn't appear to have affected older versions of windows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Prophage7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long overdue? Its been around for a decade at this point.
b1ack1323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Bash for windows.
Dgc2002 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Windows Subsystem For Linux is literally bash for Windows.
b1ack1323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's native Ubuntu packages though you can't modify windows from it. Powershell is the same functionality of Bash natively for the windows OS.
Tyler11223344 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you kinda-technically can....you can execute some (all? Dunno) CMD commands from the WSL prompt.
b1ack1323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can but they are not actually child processes of WSL, they become their own process. So in a linux you would hit Ctrl C to kill a foreground child process, if you do it in WSL then it will just give you the foreground. The process is actually started externally and is it's own thing. Like running notepad.exe it will start and stay running after close wsl.
Tyler11223344 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my bad, didn't know that
Whatever_It_Takes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's so powerful then how come i keep getting this error lmao.
Get-AppxPackage : The term 'Get-AppxPackage' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again. At line:1 char:1 + Get-AppxPackage SurfaceHub | Remove-AppxPackage + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + CategoryInfo : ObjectNotFound: (Get-AppxPackage:String) [], CommandNotFoundException + FullyQualifiedErrorId : CommandNotFoundException
Tyler11223344 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are on Win8 or up right? If you do it on 7 it won't do shit cause it doesn't have the app store/metro apps
TheBreadAgenda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try running as admin. Also make sure you're on Windows 10.
Flaimbot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:52:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only when it comes to systemapps
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does your computer use all that RAM?
kebabson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean Rageedit?
evangelism2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As others have said, the two aren't compatible really. Different functions.
You can do EVERYTHING with PS (including edit the registry). There are newer versions of windows server where the gui is nothing more than a CMD prompt which you then use to open powershell and administer the system from there.
PS isn't the new regedit, its a scripting interface that is the new/alternative everything.
triplefastaction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell has been pushed hard since 2003.
KverEU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you know your way around there is barely anything you can't alter without powershell, especially if you know your way around .Net. Hell, you can even run your website in it if you run it on a Windows server.
pschart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus itโs fun to pronounce it โWindows Powers Hellโ.
YaBoyKirkzilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is powershell?
evangelism2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scripting language supported by MS.
Continually updated by MS to add more functionality, is a scripting alternative to just about every administrative change you make in your computer. Allows for more automation and speeding up of repetitive, time consuming processes. Like standing up new servers, or managing active directory, etc etc.
cosine83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been that for several years now. PowerShell blows batch scripting out the water.
Falloutguy100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference between power shell and command prompt?
samyel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell is basically an upgraded version of the command prompt, with way more functionality. They're kept separate because some of the commands have been changed such that old batch scripts wouldn't function correctly in powershell.
killaknott27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait none uses regedit anymore ???
ucefkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows people, meh!
artvandelay440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:47 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait till you find out you can browse the registry like a file system with Powershell.
cd hklm:\tequila13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell is a step forward from regedit, but Linux does it nicer still: "apt remove facebook", a million times easier to remember.
VeteranKamikaze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:21:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. That doesn't really make sense. That's like calling tacos the new cheesesteak. For one thing, cheesesteak still exists and is commonly used for eating meat and cheese together, and for another while you can certainly use a taco for eating meat and cheese together that doesn't make it just the latest iteration of a cheesesteak.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you understand remarkably little about Windows.
Whatever_It_Takes ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:08:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, powershell fucking sucks. Doesn't work for me.
Tyler11223344 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solid logic right there
[deleted] ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 12:29:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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North101 ยท 420 points ยท Posted at 13:00:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I heard, its not the solitaire you once loved. Its filled with ads and costs $1.50 a MONTH for the ad-free version
afggddhjirfvhyr ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 13:07:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf
Coppeh ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 14:03:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a few decades, we'll have to pay a monthly subscription to breath clean air ads-free.
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 14:41:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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eurofra1d ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:10:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something verification can
tashedmesticles ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:25:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pick up that can, Citizen.
UltimateShingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ABHes right past him before he can block the doorway Never!!!
TheMagicDrake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Theย hottest girlsย in the nastiest situationsโ
Qu4tr0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a weird way to get people to stop smoking.
Frost_Ravenstorm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please resume viewing
thatsdopeaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha reminds me of that black mirror episode
pm_me_construction ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like there was a movie about paying for clean air. And almost all of the real trees had been chopped down.
speakshibboleth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spaceballs
pm_me_construction ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs the one.
Crownlol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With integration of IoT and eye tracking, this wouldn't even be hard to do now.
Just think about how much power utilities companies have over local legislation. As pollution gets worse, it's not unreasonable to believe that power utilities could force a monopoly on home air filtration systems. Then it's simply a matter of integrating with your Nest or Alexa and tracking your focus. Since your contract includes only some free clean air time, you'll need to pay extra for the rest of watch ads. Luckily, your pcs and tvs are all linked anyway! Just turn your eyes to any screen in your home for 3 minutes, and your clean air will turn right back on!
Coppeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on them if I'm blind.
thescandall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a good Doctor Who episode this season along those lines
SethDusek5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on man, don't act entitled! You expect to get fucking solitaire for free at $100? /s
perogies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shouldn't surprise you. It's actually entirely the consumers fault for making micro transactions and subscriptions for games the norm.
SirNanigans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Entirely? If grocery stores start making people dance at the register for affordable prices, and the people who want groceries comply because it's easier than going without them, then it's entirely their fault?
Not even a smidgen of fault goes to the guys who invented and implemented the concept in a way that best presses or coerces the consumers into complying? Not a teensy weensy bit?
perogies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're equating the necessity of eating with playing video games. Probably not the best example but i understand what you're saying. If we understand that we live in a capitalistic society then is it really their fault for inventing a way to make more money? Or is it on us as consumers to put our foot down and say no, we aren't going to pay that. I think the fault goes both ways.
SirNanigans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faults definitely goes both ways. Although the analogy does compare to a necessity of life, buying games is a necessity of gaming. So as long as the debate is about people gaming, then it shouldn't hurt the logic.
perogies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are still plenty of games that don't have those micro transactions though. No ones making you play them.
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually I am... forcing everyone to play them I mean
Amish_guy_with_WiFi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, if you don't want to pay for solitaire, give me $5 a month and I'll pay for solitaire for you.
SilentSubscriber ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 13:11:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you screw up SOLITAIRE?!?!
PadaV4 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 13:21:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
greed
DeeDoubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part is if you go and install the Windows 7 versions of the default Windows games (Solitaire, Spider, Freecell, Minesweeper, Hearts, Purble Place, etc), every time you have a major update Windows will uninstall them for no obvious reason.
DimosAvergis ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 13:16:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ask microfuck
mayorjimmy ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 14:04:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like a midget pornstar name.
IAm_Flash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy I love Reddit
kcman011 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 13:17:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By monetizing it.
lukefacemagoo ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 13:30:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit, monetizing windows solitaire, I guess I should have expected it, but man, that stings hard.
Cash091 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 13:36:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They monetized and added a story mode to Minesweeper. MINESWEEPER!!!
YZJay ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:50:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3D Pinball has a campaign, no one knew about it but itโs there.
Cash091 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:27:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one knew?? I was blasting those missions out like no tomorrow!!! Hit a yellow tab, go up the ramp, get a mission, complete mission, repeat.
FUTURE10S ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you didn't have to pay any money for it!
Probably_Important ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Innovation doesn't pay for itself! This is what makes Microsoft an industry leader after all.
teslasagna ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:55:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People surprisingly don't realize your obvious sarcasm :o
Probably_Important ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I thought it'd be more obvious.
fuckitimatwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait wut
MyLoveHammer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:06:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait till windows 11 and lootcrates in Microsoft office
mrchaotica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://blends.debian.org/games/tasks/card
DebentureThyme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they include Candy Crush in every copy of Window 10!
fuckitimatwork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/qc9Xody
SmaMan788 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming soon! Unlock a new, random card back with our new Solitaire Loot Boxes! Only $4.99 in the Windows Store! Pre-order today and get survival mode free*!
*Survival mode will be available at launch for $14.99. Must pre-order 50 loot boxes to be eligible.
3758188273858183 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Corporate greed.
jdpwnsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy, you charge 1.50 a month for an ad free version
imliterallydyinghere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Solitaire kind of lagged on my once decent PC i knew Microsoft is retarded
bbruinenberg ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 13:15:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most disgusting part is that you can literally buy a pack of cards for cheaper (assuming you don't have 5 laying around your house already). Just push your keyboard aside and you have plenty of room to play too. And the set up time with a shuffled deck is less than 3 minutes (regularly played it during the breaks at school so I know from experience). I don't know about you lot but last I check 3 minutes of my time isn't worth $1.50.
And that is of course ignoring the 5000 versions you can find online. It's just pathetic.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 13:38:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and when you win you have to pick all the cards up off the ground after flicking them everywhere. Not worth it.
JewJewJubes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:01:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would rather pay the $1.50 a month for someone else to pick it up for me.
lelarentaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The important difference is that you can't alt-tab those cards away in a split second when your boss peeks into your cubicle.
bbruinenberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think your boss doesn't know? Cute. Most bosses just chose not to mention it if you don't do it in plain sight. To much of a waste of their time if you already know that it's wrong. It's not like warning you about it will make you stop.
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this guys a boss
bbruinenberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, I wish. Although I doubt I could handle the stress. No, I'm merely experienced at wasting time and telling my boss it straight to her face. As long as my boss doesn't get into trouble because of it, she lets me take all the breaks I need to stay productive. After all, I do my work correctly. She has better things to do than waste her time telling me to get back to work.
andtheniansaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the set up time for one game though, what if you play 100 in a month?
bbruinenberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you play 100 in a month you need to either look for a better job or find a better way to kill time. Or you can just use one of those 5000 alternatives I mentioned.
andtheniansaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:30 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why a better way to kill time? what's wrong with playing 3 or 4 games of solitaire a day? and whats someones job got to do with it?
verify_deez_nuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been like that since Windows 8.
JCBh9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
someone just now opened solitaire
runetrantor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moment I upgraded to Win10 I went and saw that mess of solitaire, ten minutes later I was already downloading an installer for the win7 games, apparently they made such installer for Win8 and it still works in 10.
Now I have my true solitaire and other games. <3
MamiyaOtaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The old one still works if you copy the exe from an old windows. One day the bouncing cards will cover the entire window!
Actually it's happened to me a bunch http://i.chattypics.com/files/solitaireFilled13PNG_wnhymc8f60.png (nolife)
photenth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:52:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only ad filled if you use any online services like daily challenges or if you want specifically "solvable" cases.
quimicita ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh christ, I just opened solitaire on my laptop to tell you you're wrong and not only is there an ad showing as soon as I have opened the app, but it also opened a new tab in chrome to try to get me to buy solitaire. What kind of brain-damaged baboon would pay money for solitaire, anyway?
I guess I should count myself lucky that it didn't open IE.
photenth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:58:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saying there is a full version for itself is now considered an ad? Would you consider calling any shareware as ad filled?
quimicita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, when you're watching cable TV and you see an ad for the cable TV provider who you're already paying so you can watch that ad--is that an ad or no?
Second of all, it's not like it's just a banner or image or gif somewhere on the menu. It's a pop-up. I didn't even bother closing the pop-up ad to see if there were other ads on the menu itself.
Third of all, all I did was open the solitaire app. I clicked on nothing within the app itself and it opened a fucking browser app just to serve me a second ad. It's not like the fact that it was an ad for the same thing as the in-app pop-up ad changes anything about the solitaire app producing multiple pop-up ads as punishment for clicking on it in the start menu.
JCBh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ahhh fuck man you gave them the idea...
JewJewJubes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:00:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EA GAMES BOUGHT SOLITAIRE?
Benjaminsen ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 12:57:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here, i made you a web version, it even has the right ending! https://solitaire.frvr.com
x4000 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:27:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there went a few minutes of my time. Nice implementation. :)
Benjaminsen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
autorotatingKiwi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:35:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On behalf of my mother, who had been complaining about this since she upgraded, thank you!!! Now I just need to find a working version of her old civilization game lol.
BullRob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which version of Civilization?
autorotatingKiwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure at the moment (late here and she is on another country) but I do need to find out. Pretty old though. Before multiplayer/online. She actually signed up for steam herself to try the newer one (she is in her 70s!) but I don't think she enjoys it anywhere near as much.
break4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://classicreload.com/civilization.html
dbzlotrfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's Civ III or IV, they are both on GOG (so DRM free) . . . .
FUTURE10S ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before multiplayer.
autorotatingKiwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:25 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must have been wrong about that, she just never played multiplayer. It was Version 3 and 4 that she was after, not sure why I never got them working properly, but GoG looks like a really good option and super cheap too.. told her just to go with that option as it should work without me having to help too much. Thanks /u/dbzlotrfan and others!
FUTURE10S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:33 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep it also goes on sale on Steam for 75% off occasionally, so you can get the fourth with all the expansion packs really cheap.
FUTURE10S ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the first one, maybe the second one.
Acute_Procrastinosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
probably Mฤori
Benjaminsen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Afraid civilization is not on the todo right now :(
Olive_Jane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you do spider solitaire next?
Benjaminsen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working on all the big solitare games already :)
Olive_Jane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're going to make my mother very happy.
Benjaminsen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:47:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear that way to often...
smRS6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, works amazing on my S8.
Benjaminsen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea it was originally written for an S3 so it should ;)
oheyitsdan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No option for spooky castle deck? Literally unplayable.
Gentleman_Bird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sir, are why I haven't left reddit yet.
Benjaminsen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:D
voodoo_curse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That frvr looks familiar, I must have played one of your other games.
Benjaminsen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here are some other bigger sucesses http://basketball.frvr.com http://hex.frvr.com
voodoo_curse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, Hex was the one. Great pooptime game!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Benjaminsen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow never seen that before, will need to look into that.
Talking_Teddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Button to install the app on android after I finished a game did not do anything for me. Same with the play store button.
Just letting you know.
Benjaminsen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oki I will look into that, thanks!
LAK132 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative meme version: http://www.windows93.net/#!solitude
Mr_Cromer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:43:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All. The. Updoots.
Ayudon1 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 12:52:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? No idea why that's in there. The poor game did nothing wrong, just wants to help us kill time :(
Jotakin ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 13:01:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Windows 10 version of solitare is full of ads.
themightyscott ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 13:23:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Windows 10 version of Windows 10 is full of ads.
ddosn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have zero ads on my Win10 machines.
jugalator ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 13:05:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course.
Winfos ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 13:11:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Windows 10 version of solitare is full of
adsaids.SmokinDrewbies ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:14:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the aides are so helpful
atlantis69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ayds can help you lose weight! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP_uiiRAZqs
mondomaniatrics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think Jared's got aids in prison?
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:22:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh no. it's retarded.
photenth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:53:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you use any online services like daily challenges or if you specifically want solvable set ups. You can still play normal games without seeing a single ad.
SpaceMoose9k ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:25:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What. Those monsters.
PlanetaryGenocide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also automatically opens a browser to solitaire news or some gay bullshit when you open the app
krneki12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a war!
Casualties are to be expected.
WhosUrBuddiee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until they release a Minesweeper update that replaces the mines with micro-transactions.
zaprutertape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And teach people how to drag and drop!
hemenex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you try Windows 10 version? I would rather stare at wall than play that.
Thirty_Seventh ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:39:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to add
Microsoft.to the beginning of the package names to get this to work, like this:Use just
Get-AppxPackagefor a full list of the packages you can remove this way.Edit: You can also use wildcards:
But be careful with these so that you don't accidentally uninstall something that's actually useful.
Edit 2: I see what happened here, commenter above did use wildcards but the reddit markup engine ate them
xdrg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I launch PS as admin and
get-appxpackage | remove-appxpackage. I figure I can reinstall anything important, which hasn't happened yet.Haven't run this in few builds but it was working fine for me pretty recently.
LemonWrappedBrick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he used wildcards when he made that list but forgot to escape them out for reddit formatting, that's why it made them all italic.
He meant to write them as
get-appxpackage *bingnews* | remove-appxpackage
mickey3nuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks so much for this. I've been trying to get rid of people for years.
twistedlistener ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, but my abrasive sarcasm is jut too witty they keep coming back.
FunktasticLucky ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 13:03:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except one big problem. You have to have the Xbox app to play Microsoft games now. I downloaded the forza 7 demo the others day and it took me a bit to figure out why it wouldn't leave the home screen. It was trying to call up Xbox live to sign in.
NoobInGame ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 13:52:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch. Sad problem for Microsoft. Thankfully we can just throw our money at someone else.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 13:58:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NoobInGame ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:28:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or ignore it completely and spend your time on something more deserving.
Nothing is worse than getting your product ignored. Piracy shows interest.
humanmanguy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:57:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...isn't that the point? People want to play the game, but don't like the way it is being sold/distributed
NoobInGame ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:31:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on your goals and the way that company will handle it. Worst case scenario is that those pirates will end up boosting sales by talking about it and sharing clips from it, and then that company will invest in DRM in hopes to translate those pirates into paying customers.
I personally prefer moving time and money to companies not doing it in the first place. It shows other companies how to handle it and possibly avoid working with them to begin with.
Simply working around bad practices just let's them try again later. Microsoft is one of the top dogs when it comes to introducing anti consumer/competitive practices.
On PC, we have thousands and thousands of good games on our fingertips.
ddosn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It used to be. Its nowhere near as bad these days.
NoobInGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:00 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many people keep saying that they are completely new company, but I don't see why that would be. Apparently Microsoft has bullied some companies with patents and their moves tightening down Windows ecosystem doesn't exactly show their good will.
I believe history will repeat itself.
SiegeLion1 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 13:28:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's some fucking bullshit
neutral_fence_sitter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Every developer should have to code or import the same library over and over again to do something the OS developer could do globally.
Fucking MS.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this case, it's not just a "library". A library sits there being quiet until it's called, Xbox live app pops up every fucking time a game is launched and I'll be glad to see it leave me
djpokeboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Library does not have to be in a large program.
SiegeLion1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except a library doesn't try to interfere with other games, occasionally ruining your framerate and generally get in your way when you don't want it. The Xbox App is bloatware.
ddosn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had it do that.
Do you get Xbox app pop ups? I never have and I'm surious as to how its screwing with games. Does it only effect games running through the app?
SiegeLion1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:35 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't because I've removed it completely. It's quite a common issue for it to interfere with games and for a while it was actually locking a lot of games to 30fps or 60fps, even if the game is launched through steam.
If you launch CSGO for example with the xbox app still on your system, it'll warn you that you need to disable it or it'll try to interfere with your framerate.
xtr0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few preinstalled apps that have Xbox in the name. You need the Xbox IDP to log into your Xbox live account and verify that you own the game. People do the power shell scripts to remove the Xbox app and use an overly broad regular expression and end up removing the IDP as well.
Troutt025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what should I mark out to keep the Xbox app I need to play Microsoft games? I don't see anything in the remove apps section specifically calling to the Xbox app.
It's probably there, I'm just not very well versed in the names it uses.
Ruggsii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the Xbox app because I can press a binding to record the last 30 seconds of gameplay on any app
imrys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
tookmyname ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they makes games? I thought they had $60 dlc packs sometimes and that's it
Corpius ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:26:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for this, I've been trying to get rid of some of these but didnt know how many there actually were or how to uninstall them completely
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:14:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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drylube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
literally every students friend
iTipTurtles ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 12:26:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately I work on Linux now but I recently saw an email floating about hinting that everyone needs to be on Windows with certain software install...send help.
Saved this post as it is going to save me a lot of time if they make me go back.
Skrity ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 12:45:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's some more.
Zawaken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of these don't seem to work for me, I get a ton of error messages, especially in the disable-telemetry script
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm dumb
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 12:43:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wine, vm, or duel boot if you can and only do the stuff you need to do on window on Windows any everything else on Linux
awweaver ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 12:44:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol "duel boot"
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 12:45:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did I mix up duel and dual? Fuckin hell I won't ever stop doing it...
pyrosive ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 12:48:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends. Maybe you meant to engage in a bout of combat with a boot?
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 12:50:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I am fighting with Linux to get it to work...
be_an_adult ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username
Azrael_Garou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:27 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too often duel with my boot.
moldykobold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are distros that are as easy to use as Windows.
See Ubuntu and any distro based on Ubuntu.
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:57:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying to install Ubuntu but putting it on a mid 2007 MBP isn't very easy.
moldykobold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yea I've never tried putting Linux on an MBP.
I don't even think MBP supported dual booting Windows till like 2010 or something.
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:00:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk when Apple introduced boot camp. I put was with 10.6.8 I'm pretty sure don't know if it was any earlier.
And with Macs there is no tradition BIOS so when a fix to a problem says "go to your bios and change X" I can't really do so
moldykobold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was 10.6, yea, but they also started shipping with Intel based hardware vs the PPC whatever they had been using previously which is what I think allowed MBP to natively run Windows.
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm pretty sure 10.5 was the last version of OS X that supported PPC application so it would make sense that boot camp came out in 10.6 (I could be wrong about 10.5 supporting PPC)
Also tangentially related I have an OS 9 install disc. Not OS X 9, OS 9. It's probably older than me. My keyboard is also older than me, an Apple Extended 1 with salmon alps from the 1980s
_arc360_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem isn't Linux
It's the MacBook
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:01:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the computer from 10 years ago. Any computer from 10 years ago is hard to work with. I doubt many other pre-built laptops could survive so long
_arc360_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:03:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a shitty Toshiba laptop that came with Vista and it was able to install Ubuntu 17.04 with no problems.
Was streaming YouTube yesterday on it fine...
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to dual-boot with MacOS?
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm trying to just try it out. I insert my USB, EFI boot to it, I get to the try/install/something else install/something else. I hit try and the screen goes black and stays like that
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:17 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does your board support EFI? 2007 is a long time ago.
How are you creating install media?
bbruinenberg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that support is the bigger problem. There is only so much that wine can do to help. After that point, it's either using a vm or dual booting.
EternalOptimist829 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red Wings at noon
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ON GUARD!
Wait a minute..... he brought a steel toecap..... retreat!
Azrael_Garou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:47 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My boot is a duel. Your argument is invalid!
Xavia11 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 13:13:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Ladies and Gentlemen, prepare yourselves for the most brutal fight of the century... It's LINUX VERSUS WINDOWS!!!"
Cheering
"In this corner we have the Master of the Kernel, the Scoundrel of the Hard Drive, the King of the Ring himself, LINUX
Crowd goes wild
"And in this corner the Pioneer, the Prince of Power, the Price Printer... ITTT'S WINDOWS!!!"
Crowd starts foaming at the mouth
"Alright fans, ARE YOU READY?!"
Crowd starts throwing their children into the ring
"THEN IT'S TIME TO DUEL BOOT!"
Linux and Windows step into the ring as the crowd starts relentlessly beating each other senseless. Windows immediately trips over his shoes that he tied together earlier
"I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! LINUX TAKES HIM DOWN WITHOUT THROWING A SINGLE PUNCH! THIS IS AMAZING FOLKS! SOMEBODY GET WINDOWS AN ICE PACK!!"
The crowd, disappointed over the short match, much like my girlfriend is disappointed over other short things, promptly sets the building on fire in anger
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:14:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OS X is silently sitting in a corner thinking "Well, at least I'm not Windows"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:29:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a problem with an OS that works for the average person and looks good?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The (average) user is stupid. My grandma doesn't need to be able to change every single little thing. In a school you can easily connect all the computers. If you want to tinker with things you can. An application named Onyx can change a lot of different things. But if you allow users to do what ever they want with no restriction they will fuck something up and then because apple has things like apple care and support they would have to fix a ton more problems the user crated.
Not everyone can compile a kernal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, wait, I don't see how windows or any other OS goes "hey, this is a file on your hard drive, but this one is on the interwebs".
The point of the Kernal Compilation comment was that 99.99% of people don't need that level of customization. It was hyperbole
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've used OS X my entire life and even as someone who is more technically inclinied than the average bear haven't needed any more customization than I need. Filesystem nav is easy, there's nothing wrong with it (well, except being slow sometimes but that's because of my computer being 10 years old). Also, you don't get the point of hyperboles
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not free software, it's controlled by a company. What is to say that Apple won't turn "evil" later too?
Also, restricted to Apple hardware...
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait, windows is free and uncontrolled by a company? And hackintoshes don't exist? Holy crap my life is a lie!!!
That was sarcasam
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows has the same flaws. The one that doesn't suffer from
evilselfish corporations is Linux.Mac sucks in many ways, Windows sucks in many ways, Linux sucks in a few critical ways (low games/low users), but only Linux has problems that are fixable (fixed by more people and more games). Windows and Mac will never be "fixed" because Microsoft and Apple will never give up their control over them.
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:31 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give me a few billion dollers I can fix all the problems. (Well, my problems*)
Azrael_Garou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:53 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not entirely, it's also the company with a history of questionable ethics and an arrogant dismissal over much of the constructive criticism they receive that is a problem as well.
itchy118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you can only officially run it on Mac hardware.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:50:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
duel has an 'e' for enemy!
Anti-Antidote ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:13:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dual has an 'a' for 'asshole that brought two guns to the gun fight instead of one like everyone else', right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. dual-wield is for scumbags
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Azrael_Garou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:57 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaayyyy gtfo!
til_you_rock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this case it calls up visions of Windows and Linux having a battle with pugel sticks.
Iโll call it a Freudian slip and run with it.
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sight of a penguin bashing a glass window is more funny that it should be
til_you_rock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works for me.
Gladiators, ready!
acdcfanbill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing how hard windows tries to kill grub... I think duel boot is accurate.
jambox888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can literally not spell whether without a spellchecker.
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is dual and duel are both words, and I can't remember which to use
jambox888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We each have our cross to bear, is all.
Ralphanese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boot of the Fates.
Nemesis_Ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just say it like a French swordsman would. "I challenge you to a du-el".
Coffee2Code ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:47:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just KVM the bastard
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:54:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried that. Windows updated itself to anniversary edition and wiped my Linux partition even though it wasn't allowed to. I uninstalled windows at that point.
Citizen_Nemo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TWO OSes ENTER, ONE OS LEAVES!
iTipTurtles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately it isnt for that reason. Its for corporation bullshit, with anti virus and all that crap.
Flat out refusing to go on windows, I'll install a windows VM if they need me to but im not leaving Linux
jambox888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
found this
_S_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How powerful a system do i need to run windows in a VM and still get 60fps?
NEVER_TELLING_LIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the best person to ask, but if you have a system than can do 60fps in normal Windows unless you juuussst get 60fps or you're doing a lot of other things you should be fine
ForgetTheRuralJuror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a gtx 970 and a 4790k and the frame drop (after a lot of tinkering) is about 3-5% or 3-5 frames of 100fps. The key here is you need a slightly better CPU and your MB must support IOMMU (usually called vt-d in Intel supported bios) or the AMD equivalent.
If the game is CPU heavy you may notice a higher frame drop, but usually these games on a high end PC are in the 100s of frames anyway.
redshores ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
iTipTurtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah sorry, that was my old setup but for my personal PC. At work im on Linux, at home I am not. But I will be moving over soon.
A friend of mine did have some major performance issues with SLI on Linux to the point he just went back to windows. Not sure how that works with the newer cards though
NoobInGame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing how bad it is on Windows, probably shouldn't expect much on Linux.
neutral_fence_sitter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/BashOnUbuntuOnWindows
MrPatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bash runs natively in Windows now
fistacorpse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:54:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And PowerShell runs natively in Linux now. Microsoft is the top open source contributer on GitHub and has actively submitted code for the Linux kernel. We live in strange times.
MrPatch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:58:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ms SQL on Linux.
I can't get my head round it all.
I wasn't aware that posh was on Linux though
mwzzhang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did it, reddit?
iTipTurtles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:49:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does, which is an improvement. But I just prefer working on Linux, customisation, having everything how I want.
MrPatch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, understand. But if you're being made to go windows i thought it might take a little of the pain out of it.
iTipTurtles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:15:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it definitely does. I use it at home sometimes, it's certainly a step in the right direction.
Superpickle18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DId they ever fix the bug where 'ls' crashes the linux subsystem while trying to list an external filesystem that was soft linked?
MrPatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No idea, I like powershell so if I I'm on Windows I'll be using that, have bash a cursory glad nectar wtf, bash on Windows but have not used it.
Superpickle18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should learn powershell... but at this point, i'm close to abandoning ship for linux anyway... so meh
_blip_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About time!
Steelbath ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but its still windows, why would I subject myself to windows voluntarily ?
MrPatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care what you do, the guy I was responding to was being forced into windows.
Tobias_Z ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:12:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OneNote is one of the best thing MS has put out. Why on Earth, in a professional environment, would you nuke that?
lurked ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:43:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this either, unless they're using a different similar tool.
We use it as an everyday team collaboration tool at work, especially in our latest project, deploying our new ERP.
Fell in love with it last year, been using it non-stop ever since.
boondoggie42 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:38:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because if you don't, when you install Office, you get a second version that sits right next to it?
Tobias_Z ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:46:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, I ran another tool that did remove it originally so that's why I don't have two versions. So you're right.
Tobias_Z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to check but I'm pretty much positive that I only have one version.boondoggie42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get:
OneDrive
OneDrive for Business
OneNote
OneNote 2016
Tobias_Z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I see it now. I run /r/TronScript which removed the included version.
JigglyWiggly_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:08 on October 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Onenote 2016 isn't the same as the store version. The store version is updated with features a lot more often.
ComputeGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work for a defense contracting company. Data sharing of any kind has to go through proper channels, we aren't even allowed to have USB drives.
Tobias_Z ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OneNote doesn't have to be shared.
dividezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i kind of have to recommend Sway as well. it's a little esoteric to get what it does but when you check out the examples, you figure out some places to use it yourself depending on what you do. I find it a great replacement for most of the PDFs and complex webpages people request of me. few clicks and boom, no more powerpoints, pdfs or overly complex webpages that don't do much.
Anhydrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they have the Windows Office suite then the One Note in there has a few more features I believe than the free version.
maazer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
crappy windows tile app vs full version my best guess
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We use Google Apps.
Jumbify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sorry. :P
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works fine for our purposes, but we're pretty small.
quimicita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not saying much. OneNote crashes on a near-daily basis for me and I can't switch between the desktop and non-desktop(???) versions of the app even on the same computer (let alone switching computers) because it takes (apparently) infinite time to sync a pdf to the cloud.
StSomaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine never crashes and can use my cellphone / pc / laptop with little delay
Tobias_Z ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:43:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use MS's drive. I keep my OneNote in dropbox and that seems to work really well.
BlackBlueBlueBlack ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:23:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ that is a lot of junk
REALLYANNOYING ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The masses don't know its Junk and Companies want your data its just sad.
gmes78 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:51:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not use the LTSB edition?
jonny_utaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:31:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just learned we had this with our Enterprise license. So great.
mdmarra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LTSB is not meant for โgeneral purpose computersโ and is missing a lot of features. Itโs meant for things like powering an assembly line or medical equipment.
DraugTheWhopper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More specifically, it doesn't have Edge, Cortana, Store, or any other Modern apps except the Settings app. Besides that and the fact that it will not auto-upgrade, it's basically the same thing as RTM.
notallittakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they didn't go far enough. I have LTSB at work and I had to completely disable auto updates as it would still auto reboot despite a group policy telling it not to.
LTSB is pretty close to a good desktop OS, but the idea of putting it on medical equipment as some others suggested is insane.
jonny_utaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, we are going to use it for our call center machines. So this is exactly what we want. Just the essentials with as much lockdown as possible. Our users in the rest of our company get the full Win10 experience with a few of the aforementioned Powershell tweaks.
cosine83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If those call center computers are using Office and other general purpose software, Microsoft will not support you on issues with it on those devices. It's meant for things like ATMs and kiosks.
jonny_utaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up.
cosine83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft will also not provide any support for a device with LTSB on it that's used for general computing (basically anything that uses Office).
Toxicsmoke_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:43:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the feels :(
TheMonitor58 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
B...but I love zune!!
Jedi_Tinmf ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:58:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I love solitaire
IDontWantToArgueOK ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:15:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's full of ads, not the same solitaire you're used to.
Meh_broken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:20:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, exactly that :)
saurion1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:50:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ran all of these in powershell and all the apps are still there. Do i have to reboot or something?
agjurk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:09:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. No errors, just no results.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thirty_Seventh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/736tfh/slug/dno7pjj
Thirty_Seventh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/736tfh/slug/dno7pjj
Thirty_Seventh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/736tfh/slug/dno7pjj
REALLYANNOYING ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never used powershell. Ive just disabled services I don't need in msconfig.
Why is it wrong to use msconfig ?
Fithboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:41:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whenever I try these I just get an error starting with
I've tried the 4 different Powershells, all run as administrator
Meior ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:47:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may not have that specific package at all then. Not sure, hopefully someone more knowledgeable can correct me if I'm wrong.
SilentSubscriber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:13:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in my experience OneNote can be useful but it really depends
sacrilegious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn what you got against the People app? Wonderful for contact management and syncs with all my accounts / phone
realidox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:58:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing solitaire?! You monster!!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you not just script the whole thing in bash?
Thirty_Seventh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but if you don't already have Bash installed it's much easier to just run this as a Powershell script
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:31:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks great, going to run this list later at home. Thanks!
ApokalypseCow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving this for later... I've done a good chunk of it while getting rid of Cortana, but this is way more convenient.
sleeptalken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:44 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you get rid of cortana
ApokalypseCow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's online tutorials to disable it and prevent the processes from starting, once that's done you take ownership of the directories where the files exist, and delete them.
yours_untruly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
solitaire??? wtf you monster, baiting people right into copy/pasting this
Burnaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixed formatting and sorted:
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
can you copy and paste this all at once into the command prompt or do you have to do it line by line?
Also does this work for cmd or is powershell a different program?
ComputeGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should be able to copy paste, provided the formatting stays the same.
Powershell is different from CMD, but if you are on Windows 10, you already have it.
Also, if you put 'powershell' in front of a command in cmd, it will user power shell for that command.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. How do you access the power shell? Is it just another program that comes standard with windows 10?
Thanks for the info!
ComputeGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No problem.
Just hit you Windows key and start typing "powershell" a few things will come up, you'll want the one that just says "Windows PowerShell" It looks like CMD, only blue.
FenrisFrost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really necessary to remove any of these things? I'm just curious. I work in IT and I don't see much downside to these things being present.
lurked ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:44:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it comes down to corporate decisions, but some of them I don't get the point.
Especially OneNote, I love this tool.
FuujinSama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you use another sharing software OneNote is just redundant.
lurked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I forgot to add it to this comment, but in my other comment I said exactly this :
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/736tfh/skype_is_officially_bloatware_uninstalled_it/dno7w1d/
Tr3v0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nope, but its bloat. Thats the definition of bloat. Just unnecessary.
FenrisFrost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose. God knows what other components are going out the window with some of these things.
Some of them are silly, too. Getting rid of Drawboard means your company has to put PDF software on all their machines to replace what was already there, for example. If you're doing that already then it makes sense, of course, just playing devil's advocate.
I guess I just don't care much about it, given that the computers I deploy here are i7s with 12GB of RAM.
VegasQC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jaw drops thank you!!
blokeski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:40:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only replying so I can do this when I get home!
_blip_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me 2 thx
Meior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All this crap comes preinstalled on your Windows? Where are you located in the world?
eddietwang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the bar after windowsphone
Thraximundane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!!
cupasoups ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
excellent
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap thank you for this.
_Probably_Human_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On mobile or I'd post the actual foreach, but for the love of all that is good please just loop through an array of those appx packages.
Guesty_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you guys leave the xbox package installed then?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this.
Skeeter1020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the point was that all this stuff could be disabled by Group Policy?
SgtGrimm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's Cortana? Or is she harder to disable?
suicidalgoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm commenting just so that I can do this when I'm home
I_chew_aluminum_foil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm replying because I have nothing better to do right now.
suicidalgoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope you're having a great Friday, friend
Reaper4578 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But can you gut Cortana? (please)
Tobias_Z ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there are several ways you can do it. Google around. You can also run /r/TronScript to do it. But RTFM before you use that tool.
tmh720 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You removed solitare you monster.
thedarklord187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any other tips and tricks lol I'll use all the powershell things ๐
Deleunes254 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there by chance some kind of script for windows 10 to automatically remove everything bloatware related? Like when I do a clean install of windows everything is full of crap, even the start menu with solitaire, candycrush,...
Croakie89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for this
Naso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally saving this post for the future, thanks.
Carvernicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah what is this? Can I do this to my PC and laptop?
Clloster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we recently started buying win10s at work. So I saved this just in case
Kazubla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you sir! I will cherish this comment for the rest of my reddit life!
adevland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lot of bloat...
RetardedChimpanzee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much bloatware. Why Microsoft?
Kovaelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zune? Really? It's one thing to package stuff they actually want people to use, but it's a whole other level of stupid to push stuff you don't even support anymore... and yet another level for things you actively pull features from (e.g. messaging).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Groove Music is Zune, that's the worst Zune player ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zune still exists?
Buckwheat469 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should work, but I don't have PS. The basic idea is to make an array of package names and pipe them to a foreach, then use the package name variable in the get-apppxpackage line.
DeliciousSkooma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any such recommendations for all the Windows 10 BS?
GaRRbagio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the list! But as I was copying it into PS ISE I noticed you had left out a | after windowsphone.
EDIT: also just noticed you need to put the whole package name or wildcards to the app phrase you want to remove. (still learning powershell)
frogspa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of post is convincing me to replace my WinXP box with Win10 rather than Win7.
I only run Cooledit, EAC & Virtualdub on it, but as a Linux user I find these sort of commands reassuring.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any chance of a noob friendly way of doing this on my PC?
VampyrByte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get-AppxPackage -allusers | Remove-AppxPackage
motorsizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At that point why not just wipe and reinstall?
Shiroi_Kage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use W10 Privacy for a GUI method.
Retroagv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorry to be a nuisance but I put this in on powershell and nothing happened? is it all done in the background? or is it just possible that I already removed everything?
McBurger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 1 hour
LaughsTwice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know this was possible? Any other cool tips?
xX420GanjaWarlordXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God bless your soul. My employer has yet to switch over to Win10. However I have it at home because they forced it upon me. This will help me so much.
efxhoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's up with the case? get-appxpackage Vs Get-AppxPackage, are they the same?
SDM102030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My work keeps pushing out updates using software center. They are just Windows updates I could do on my own. Thing is for some reason on software center they always fail and while they are "installing" my disk usage goes up to 100% and my computer is crippled till the install inevitably fails. This is a brand new laptop too.
Would I be able to this powershell stuff with software center? I feel like software center doesn't always display in programs rather I think its a service. Will this work for services? I've disabled it before and it re-enabled itself.
Pls help.
DraugTheWhopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Software Center? Are you talking about System Center? If so, don't try to disable it yourself, instead bring the fact that your updates are failing to IT's attention, and let them handle it from there. They'll be able to either fix the issues, or reimage the machine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I somehow kill cortana?
cptnhaddock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suit yourself. I don't think I could live without zunevideo
spook30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me so is this
Protokai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank you for this nice list
AlvinGT3RS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit this should been in the windows 10 bloatware removal thing
kelus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but muh solitaire
The-SpaceGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
quick tip fellas, you don't have to do it one by one, Copy everything, open power shell, right click on the blinking cursor thing. You should be good to go.
CircleBoatBBQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks buddy :)
spbelky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank youuuu
iamoverrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may also need to disable automatic updating in the Windows Store as well. It's become a huge pain in the ass at work; every update, bloat gets installed.
CriticalRoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Note to self. Do thus when I get home
note-to-self-bot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget:
Do this when you get home
ironcurtin57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I just copy and paste that whole thing, or do it one at a time?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you have to do this to remove a program from MICROSOFT, is exactly why I ditched windows 10.
bracing for win10 fanboys to tell me how great it is and how I'm living in the past
buttsexparty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually wrote a powershell script for this stuff at work.
https://github.com/southpaw5271/BeachedWhale/blob/master/BeachedWhale7.1.ps1
leSuperAce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know if this still works in the creators update (1703)? It does not seen to remove xbox apps.
Fuck_Alice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 2 Hours
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!remindme 4 days
Matrix_V ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you, bless your cow.
Mitchdotcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for the noob question, but what is powershell and where can I get it?
MrTomRobs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hero we need but don't deserve...
bigdog927 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a version of this for Win 7?
CajunTurkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We also use two Powershell scripts at work, one to remove all of the apps except for Windows Store and Calculator and the other to prevent the other apps from being reinstalled:
To remove all the apps except Windows Store and Calculator:
Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | where-object {$.name -notlike "Microsoft.WindowsStore"} | where-object {$.name -notlike "Microsoft.WindowsCalculator"} | Remove-AppxPackage
To prevent all the apps from reinstalling except for Windows Store and calculator:
Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -online | where-object {$.packagename -notlike "Microsoft.WindowsStore"} | where-object {$.packagename -notlike "Microsoft.WindowsCalculator*"} | remove-appxprovisionedpackage -online
Beyond_Life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a normal day to day user without any indept knowledge: how do I do this myself?
LemonWrappedBrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also use wildcards... so you can remove all that bing or zune stuff with just:
get-appxpackage *bing* | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage *zune* | remove-appxpackage
Archiver_test4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... Why is there zune ?
Drews232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I have a computer is for the nytcrossword
Ima_Fuck_Yo_Butt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And thank you, too!
SonOfSparda304 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck did Microsoft make an OS like this and make us pay for it?
Forcing people to have certain apps on their machine and not letting them control installation/updates is ridiculous.
jeepsterjk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to do this per user? This isn't a complete and total removal, right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg thank you!
cookie_steez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh nice. Thx for this.
mcmanybucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I have to put em in one at a time?
humanmanguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, there should be an official pcmasterrace Windows 10 clean up script that removes all bloatware and disables the most annoying parts of Windows 10
AjaxRockstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just commenting for reference later
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 11:01:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No registry edit needed? This will get rid of the services as well, right?
Meh_broken ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 11:18:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. will unistall the app completely...
redshores ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 12:48:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it. I'm sticking with 7.
firedup4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had xbox reinstall yet.
AnotherRussianGamer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Microsoft employee
Laexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:15 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't install updates because it has even more telemetry garbage than windows 10.
12DollarLargePizza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:08 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
Laexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.lv/search?q=windows+7+telemetry+updates
IndirectCell ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 11:27:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all heroes wear capes, but since your a pcmr i guess you do :)
starlet_appletree ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 12:48:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PCMR heroes wear CAPS
ObZidian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mech keyboard caps.
robbiekhan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MX-RED CAPS!
5thEditionFanboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah!
El_Hoxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
StretchTucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:31 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
Mr_HappyPenguin ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:03:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After a major update it will be installed once again.
til_you_rock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:43:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you set the Store app to not automatically update.
Mr_HappyPenguin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:47:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All those settings usually get wiped when 10 updates. Maybe's it's been fixed in the newest releases.
meeelting ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:48:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, nice. I've been looking for a solution to the reinstalling crap behavior.
til_you_rock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just need to find the registry key to force auto updates off then deploy it in gpol.
Laexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:21 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is even better and you don't have to install it
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/oo_shutup10.html
velogeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Script it to look for the application on boot then delete it found. Adds a fraction of a second to the load time and they'll be gone every time you start up the system.
Dawnguards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt this is why you rushed to get win10?
Mr_HappyPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:21 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I held off as long as I could to get win10. Home I didn't even bother but it's required in work. At least it's in a VM.
jelimoore ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 11:45:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can do the same for all the other junk. replace skypeapp with these:
Xbox: xboxapp Music/Video: zune Maps: maps Mail: microsoftcommunication
Lee1138 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:43:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if valid still, but it was when I got Win10. Disable the Xbox overlay BEFORE you uninstall the app, otherwise the Win+G button stays active for some reason.
RedditBot007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made that mistake, I reinstalled it when I realized but it wouldn't let me log in, so I literally had to reinstall Windows 10 from scratch...
FuujinSama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I tried it with skypeapp and it literally does nothing. No message,skype still works. It's strange.
jelimoore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need asterisks around all of them. They donโt show up in reddit formatting very well, so Iโll try to do it here:
Get-AppxPackage *zune* | Remove-AppxPackage
If you see the backslashes remove them from the command. Also make sure to be in elevated powershell window (search powershell, then control-shift-enter to launch it and it will ask to elevate)
FuujinSama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks :)
Sveitsilainen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they say Linux is not user friendly because you need the command line.
BartolosWaterslide ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know if there's a way to kill Cortana yet without messing up the search bar?
youloveben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using Everything and don't miss the search bar at all anymore.
BartolosWaterslide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks I'm definitely going to explore that later!
leonffs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The term 'Get-AppxPackage' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or oper the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.What do?antricfer ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 12:29:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL please? I'm fairly tech wise but this is above my skills. What is powershell and how do you open it? Thanks
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:32:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SpeculationMaster ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:05:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
better yet:
right click on Start
choose powershell (admin)
OrionHasYou ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:27:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With great power comes great responsiblity
DirtyDurham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:33:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually not the default. Someone who doesn't know what PowerShell is won't have that setting enabled.
I wish they would make it default since it can do everything
cmdcan do, plus so much more.SpeculationMaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is default since the Creators Update or some other recent rollup
anomalousBits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only on Windows 10 Pro version. Home version still has cmd on the context menu.
SpeculationMaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good to know!
RoastyMacToasty ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 12:53:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL = Today I Learned; ELI5 = Explain Like I'm 5
antricfer ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:03:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely too early in the morning for me :)
the_penguin_of_d00m ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:46:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
DirtyDurham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually not the default. Someone who doesn't know what PowerShell is won't have that setting enabled.
I wish they would make it default since it can do everything
cmdcan do, plus so much more.the_penguin_of_d00m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Birmm ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 12:34:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerShell
antricfer ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 12:40:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant as a user, English is my second language so I don't have the patience or time to go through long wiki articles which usually translates into 2 or 3 simple steps. But thanks for your reply anyway.
Berry2Droid ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 13:03:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, sorry for the rude responses you've gotten. To answer your question, powershell is a "command line" tool that is found on all Windows machines. All this means is that you can open a window, type a few commands, and have it take care of all sorts of complicated tasks for you. It's extremely powerful, and even dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
You can find it by searching for powershell in your start menu. In some cases, you'll have to run the commands as an elevated user. To do this, right click the powershell icon and select "run as administrator". The commands above might need to be run as an administrator, but try it first and only elevate if you need to. Good luck!
antricfer ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 13:05:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True pcmr spirit, thank you for your answer.
IGSRJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have windows 10 with the Creator's update, powershell has replaced command prompt in the win+x menu, also accessible by right clicking the start button.
LuckyHedgehog ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:54:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a command line interface (CLI) with Windows specific commands. Other popular CLI tools are cmd and bash
All you need to do to execute the commands is open the windows search (Windows key + s) and type the word "Powershell" into the search box
A blue window will open. Copy the first line from the list of commands, paste, and hit enter. Some text will show up in multiple colors, some of it will say exception and whatnot but ignore that for now. Check if the app is still installed.
Do that for each app you want uninstalled, or there is a single command you can run to uninstall ALL of them at once
antricfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
MrPatch ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:49:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Start > run > powershell
Superpickle18 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 12:57:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, slow down. What is the first step?
Savergn ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:04:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flatten a rock, and then put lightning inside of it.
Phyco_Boy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, we ALL Have access to a rock to begin with. Where do I find one?
sdasw4e1q234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy, cowboy. Wanna run that past me again?
OhMilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I need a PC to do this?
champak256 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy was a dick, but searching for powershell on Portuguese Google led to a ton of results. It's always useful to check your native language for useful results.
antricfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:52 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest never occurred to me looking for powershell in Portuguese but I'm there now.
Birmm ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:48:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is too, I'm self-taught (in part by reading long ass articles on wiki and other places). There is so much information that doesn't exist in my native language that I just had to learn it.
antricfer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:06:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I try to do that too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
English is my first language but I'm thick as pig shit.
Freezingcow ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:ยด(
RobinWolfard ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 12:44:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop being lazy.
antricfer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:07:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually working real hard at the moment, but thanks for motivation.
tronald_dump ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good news for you! the internet comes in all languages!!!
Gerden ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was being a condescending piece of shit really necessary? Just wondering.
Birmm ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but he took it like a normal person and just ignored it. While you are here getting at me on his behalf for no reason whatsoever.
Gerden ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:48:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm just not a fan of assholes on the internet being assholes on the internet for no reason whatsoever. Call me crazy!
Birmm ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world is full of assholes outside of the internet too. And people with thin skin don't get too far.
Gerden ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah man. Justify and rationalize that line of thinking any way you want I guess. Doesnโt make you look like less of an asshole.
Birmm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fine by me.
ragn4rok234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ShutUp10 works pretty well for me
tripbin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive never used powershell before. so after pasting just hit enter like command prompt? and is there any confirmation because when I hit enter it just moves to a new line of C:\Users
Feral_Snek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like really useful knowledge. I saw somewhere else "regedit" which i take to mean registry edit. I'm assuming this is a program that let's you have more direct control over the status of any given program? Can a noob operate this without fucking everything up? There's programs I'm plagued with, but I'm really only on the level of googling an error code.
Ryuksapple84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell FTW!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does this comment even mean? I'd love a better explanation.
Corrosivelol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a command that removes the program through powershell
iamsoserious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
Ima_Fuck_Yo_Butt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
tekdemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, until the next windows update sneaks ten new crapwares back onto your system. Goddamn onedrive
ManicLord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This only deals with the stupid app and not the desktop version, right?
alu_pahrata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you need to even open up a shell just to make sure Skype won't come back is a disgrace. Microsoft really fucked up windows 10
UnethicalLemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell wise mans solution to windows 8
C4ndlejack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah or just use appear.in as it suffices for 99% of all Skype calls.
OniiChanStopNotThere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whats the difference between powershell, cmd, and regedit? I've used the latter 2 but I have not heard of the former.
Mnawab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just stayed away from windows 10. Have plenty of freedom with 7. And for some reason Skype crashes my computer...
Kingwarpol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a pwershell command for removing cortana and other shitty windows 10 apps?
Allegd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I do this can I install skype as a portable app later on?
AtomicFlx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about using an OS that doesn't force Microsoft crap onto your computer while also allowing me to play ALL of my games? Is that two much to ask?
allinighshoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drop the skypeapp to remove all that can
Korhaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that looks like an ugly version of sudo apt-get purge skype
leminat96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sudo apt remove skype
SinTonNiSon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I owe you a blowjob
longboarder131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pardon my ignorance but where can I find this/these, in order to do this. Both my aging desktop and newer laptop could use a solid purge. Thanks so much in advance!
MyFaceYourFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is great thanks.
DragonZombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:34 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Access denied.
sbingner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:27 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Get-AppxPackage | Remove-AppxPackage wouldnโt be easier... havenโt tried though, might have to go in a loop....
DragonZombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:32 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys help me! it removed onedrive and now everything is screwed!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or maybe i should be able to delete programs i don't want without a degree in computer science
nataku411 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:39:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is all I'm getting
Corrosivelol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They need to be the same command, with a | inbetween.
nataku411 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
Hillside_Strangler ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:10:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok this is above my technical level.
WreckweeM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:25:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's a powershell? Asking for a friend.
Corrosivelol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Windows cmd, with the addition of being able to utilize a scripting language.
Eswercaj ยท 3084 points ยท Posted at 12:26:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A trend in PCs that I absolutely abhor is the developers consistently thinking they know best how the user wants to use their product.
GHDpro ยท 933 points ยท Posted at 13:13:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest issue related to that is desktop icons. So many installers just smack their icon on the desktop without asking or giving you the option to opt-out.
Now from a developers perspective putting the icon on the desktop might make your app easier to find. Well it is not going to be eaiser to find in the huge sea of icons if every fucking app did that (and/or I didn't "clean up" afterward).
Software developers: if you want to give users the option of putting an icon on the desktop, make it an option that preferably is disabled by default. I know how to fucking use the start menu, thank you.
/rant
Lorevi ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 13:28:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hid my desktop icons because of this. I can find programs a lot easier with the start menu than a mess of icons. And as a bonus you get to actually see your wallpaper.
Now if only windows search was half competent.
MrSenseOfReason ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 13:54:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My desktop is completely blank including no recycle bin. I use it for temporary note files or quick exports. Anything that Iโll delete within a week. It really functions like a physical desktop that way
GotTiredOfMyName ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 14:55:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mines just stacks of folders with unorganized shit in it cause I'm too lazy to clean it up. It really functions like a physical desktop that way
feliscat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. When it gets full I just make an 'old' folder and move everything inside that and continue.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:10 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit my head just exploded i have no idea how i even got here but this post. damn son
douglastodd19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are the bane of IT helpdesks everywhere.
masterX244 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:24 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
similar, and theres a stupid bug with the folder selectors when you got too many items on desktop preventing you from selecting folders outside your documents folder. also: stardock fences ftw, items are strictly confined to areas due to that
Mechanicalmind ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:30:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using fences, pretty useful to group up different icons and items on my desktop.
DuckDuckYoga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that this stardock.com/products/fences/
If so what do you think of it? Never heard of it before but I really like the idea
Mechanicalmind ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's the one by Stardock.
It's not perfect, I'm not sure about resource hogging (i'm blessed with a decently well-endowed PC). It has some wee bugs, but it's very nicely customizable and helps me keep my desktop clean.
drivinganindievan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I run it on my desktop and my laptop, it works well for me on both machines. The laptop is a bit slower, but thatโs to be expected. Havenโt found too many bugs, but it is fairly particular about adding icons to fences. Dragging an icon into a folder shouldnโt bring up the drag-onto-to-open command.
If you wanna talk about buggy Windows customization software though, donโt forget about Tile Iconify. Fucked up my start menu and Microsoft Office no longer pins with the MS-implemented custom tiles, itโs my theme color behind the logo.
kboy101222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love me some Fences. Excluding my inability to sort things, everything I frequently access is on my desktop in nice, neat docks at the top of my screen
drivinganindievan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs great isnโt it? It feels so seamless, as if itโs something that should have been a part of windows 10 in the first place.
kboy101222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It should definitely be something that's in Windows. Fences would help get rid of those god awful desktops filled with tons of icons by still having them on the desktop and quickly accessible, but still putting them into "folders" by topic, type, whatever.
MasterSandBoxer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it and I love it. I made it so all the fences are invisible so I have like 17 icons and just scroll down through them
mdot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it and like it a lot.
Especially the "folder portals", and double-clicking the desktop to make the fences disappear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mechanicalmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually used rainmeter, but due to the sheer number of icons i always have on my desktop, having them customised doesn't change the massive clusterfuck that my desktop becomes.
I use fences to hide rubbish that "i may eventually need".
Probably_Important ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you access your recycle bin when you need to?
MrSenseOfReason ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Top slot of my favorites in windows explorer. Iโm still on Win7 in case that feature has changed or anything
oversized_hoodie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people's computer desktops mirror their actual desktops.
MicroGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same way I do it. I do hear good things about fences, but I'm not paying for software I don't need. I used to use launchy and rainmeter and all kinds of fancy stuff, but now I just have a plain desktop and use pin to start and search for everything.
MrSenseOfReason ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah taskbar and start form a complete list of my most used programs
Iggyhopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an SSD and a regular drive. I set all the user profile folders to the HDD, and the only thing tied to the SSD is the /Desktop folder, which ends up working really nicely.
I also do exports straight to my desktop, it's my "work area".
MrSenseOfReason ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I export a lot of audio samples so I usually have scraps on my desktop. I store the Documents library on a separate drive too since it gets so cluttered with junk that auto-installs to that location. Then I have a second library called Nocuments for...you know, actual documents.
the_federation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My desktop stays blank unless I'm working on something. If it's very temporary (t<1 day), I'll put the file on the desktop; if it's not as temporary (like a term paper), I'll put the file in its proper location and put a shortcut to it on the desktop.
oppilonus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine's like my actual desk: full of things I tell myself I'll put away soon.
WhistlingDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My BF's work PC has about 60 icons on its desktop. Not only programs and folders, mind you. Word Documents. Photos.
I know I'm not allowed to touch it, but my right hand twitches every time.
They're not even grouped by type!
thetitan555 ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 13:38:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the things Macs suck at, at least they got Spotlight right.
irich ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 14:13:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also got the lack of bloatware pretty spot on too...
Probably_Important ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:18:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Macs come with a boatload of preinstalled programs that most people don't need and will never use. They don't slow your system down but they do take up space.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:33:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bearcat2004 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:03:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
itunes pops up every time you hit the media keys. i have nuked itunes on every mac i've ever owned.
AB6Daf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opens HunieCam or whatever it's called
4thepower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:19 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm gonna go with Edge for the โmost obnoxiousโ award. It tries to stop you from changing your default browser every step of the way and even after that some Microsoft services will launch pages in Edge. Donโt forget the notifications about โtry Edgeโ.
_cortex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've disabled it for startup on this computer at least 5-6 times already. Every so often I still see the message "Sign in to One Drive now!". Glad I found this thread so I could nuke it completely
Falme127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I frequently get emails saying my OneDrive is full. I never said I wanted your shitty service Microsoft. Nor have I ever put anything on my OneDrive, it just automatically puts shit on there... sometimes I miss OS X.
B3yondL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a boatload of preinstalled programs that are awesome. Document/presentation/spreadsheet software, audio/video editors, built in maps, global right click dictionary, screen recording, PDF editor and easy text messaging/taking phone calls on your computer matter to a lot of people.
Having all of that stock and free is amazing.
Probably_Important ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine if you're into that kind of thing. And it's nice that it's all free for sure. Some of us prefer not to have a bunch of pre-loaded stuff tho.
Falme127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they come with utilities and stuff that should be on a computer by default. It isnโt shoved in your face the way ms does it.
Dr_Yay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:55 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them are installed with the hardware and don't come with the OS, so they don't return if the OS is reinstalled
Which actually kinda sucks for some programs like GarageBand which you have to purchase afterwards...
oligobop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... being spammed by appstore to update without a way to tell it shut up makes it bloat ware, but it's a minor inconvenience. Otherwise the OS is fine imo.
I-Made-You-Read-This ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that like like saying Windows Update is bloatware? Not sure if Linux does this. Maybe it is bloatware with windows too. Personally I don't mind the update notifs
oligobop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
precisely. Same shit. Just because they made the OS doesn't mean they aren't spamming the shit out of you. Windows just went one step further and made it so your updates must complete where apple still gives you the option, though you will be pestered indefinitely.
DocNefario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Linux doesn't force updates. I think they on Ubuntu you can get notifications for updates, and also auto-update certain programs, but it's easy to disable. Generally whenever I want to update, I use "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade". Of course I could have it done for me, but I prefer it this way.
victimOfNirvana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when it forces you to create an Apple Account with a credit card or else it won't update. Also has to be an international credit card.
kauron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have updated a Mac and the apple account had no banking information...
victimOfNirvana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some updates do install. Some don't. I believe it's the updates to pre-installed apps that are available on the store that require an account with credit card information.
jebbassman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you use garage band regularly? What about handbreak or iMovie?
irich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use iMovie quite a lot. It's a neat app for what it does. Garage Band, not anymore no. Handbrake isn't a default app on Macs. It's not even made by Apple and has Windows and Linux versions as well.
jebbassman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. My Mac came with handbreak so I thought it was a default app.
lappro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't an issue for the same reason that isn't an issue with mac.
Microsoft keeps Windows about as bloat free as Apple does with Mac. The shit you usually see is from shitty OEMs like Acer and Lenovo.
I wouldn't like to see MS use the same solution as Apple: Not allowing OEMs, which is one reason windows PCs are more affordable and reasonably priced.
ddicori ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:28:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been on both sides of this PC/Mac thing and Iโll be honest. Both have their serious upsides. One isnโt โbetter,โ just seriously different
Mohammedbombseller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:32 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That implies both aren't terrible though.
ddicori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:54 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If not properly maintained, they are
B3yondL ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:59:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might sound fan boyish but macOS, on a software level ignoring the hardware it is bound to, pretty much does everything better than Windows. The only shortfall of macOS is the lack of third party software and 95% of that is basically in the games category.
I honestly can't think of one thing Windows does better than macOS other than that.
velocitas014 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A native volume mixer and managing multiple audio devices. That's literally it.
Kleivonen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MS wins in terms of managing at an enterprise scale.
Luriker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alfred 3 is a thousand times better than Spotlight. I used Spotlight to open every app so that I moved from the keyboard to the trackpad less, but with Alfred I can get a ton done without opening an actual app AND get to all my apps and files as easily as Spotlight does.
thetitan555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a version of it for windows? Spotlight is the only reason I miss Mac right now.
Luriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is not. It's a niche type of software called an "App Launcher," and there's a few others on macOS out there. There's some other options on Windows apparently
AerialRush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And contained programs with their own file trees.
Rainers535 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:20:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Persinally I find the fuckin macbook search bar completely useless. It freezes for half a fuckin hour trying to find anything, and ends up finding some random ass text file. Fuck macs, good thing I didn't have to buy mine. Sorry, I'm kinda pissed.
GlassMeccaNow ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:58:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. Disable Windows Search:
II. Install Everything.
youloveben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I second this move. Everything is much faster than Windows Search.
Vault92FTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve gotta do this. Thank you.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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youloveben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind that it's also annoying as hell to reference casually; telling someone to "just click Everything and look for it there" or "have you tried using Everything?" is sure to bring wtf does that even mean? looks from the person you're talking to.
zoomer296 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:09 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It took me nineteen years, twenty virtual machines, a fuckton of hard drives, and a few billion dollars, but I finally did it. I've installed everything.
theangryintern ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 definitely got that right, IMO. Hit Windows key on keyboard, start typing the name of the program you want to launch, hit enter.
CowFu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can? the windows 10 search will put paid app store stuff I don't have installed above results on my own computer occasionally.
JealotGaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? Mess of icons works better for me. I just click on a random one and type the name of the one I want and it selects that.
JonVeD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get everything
TeenageRampage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use Everything. A little resource heavy but its a beast file searcher. Not great at finding applications specifically. But need that one log file that nester 97 folders deep? .2 seconds later and you found it
Qadamir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe try Everything Search and Launchy? I use those programs daily and hardly ever touch Windows Search.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use fences, makes my desktop clean and I can find stuff when I want to.
MeesterGone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like Agent Ransack for searching. Fast and flexible.
JaZoray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i made my desktop write-protected and chose another folder to display the icons from. i manually put icons there if i want them.
ad895 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i did this too. Except one day i decided to un-hide my desktop and bam 3 monitors full of icons.
Tylertron12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kills me, the search function was great in Windows 7, what the fuck happened :(
MasterSandBoxer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use the program fences. I have like 17 icons visible spread around my desktop in a random pattern I like and the rest of the icons I used that I keep on desktop are inside the fence folder thing and all I have to do is scroll down while hovering over the fence.
Also when you first get fences the fence is a visible box but you can also make it invisible. Really helpful tool. Another thing is, which this may be default windows 10, if you double click it hides all your icons
SwedeBeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually haven't owned a computer in about... 6 years? But when i did i just had a few amount of folders with folders inside neatly labeled and just used the keyboard for exploring them, as in typing the 1-3 letters the folder started with. But in the end thats basically the same as using the Windows button then searching.
Holy shit i just realized i have no idea how new operating systems even look.
the_federation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try Everything. I find it to work so much better than Windows search. I also use Launchy and can pass search terms through it, so I don't even need to launch Everything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kill Explorer, because it's what paints the nag to buy a license. If you drag the start menu over to the left before killing Explorer you will have most of your screen real estate available when apps are maximized. You can run apps from Task Manager, and of course file managers. I haven't settled on an ideal launcher (a lot of them require Explorer). I may just write my own (minimal) launcher.
Master_Penetrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have only the trash bin what is unremovable on my desktop so I can see my beautiful wallpaper.
Lorevi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right click on the desktop and click on 'hide desktop icons' option if you want to hide that too
Dunecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like StartIsBack for this purpose. Very good search functionality built right in.
Champigne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The program called "Everything" is much better for searching than WIndows.
GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the good idea. I always navigate to the Desktop folder anyway when I want to open something.
Thardor ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 13:36:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree it should be an option, as a dev I think it should still be default to be created. I would make it a very obvious window to disable, but youโd be surprised how many people donโt use anything BUT desktop icons. Iโd rather have everyone be able to see it while allowing those who donโt want to see it to disable it rather than alienate a select group of users because of a simple change during installation.
kykyrocks1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:41:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to go through file explorer half the time because I hate desktop/start menu clutter
xenopunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic start menu, I miss it so much.
jonirabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think most people have that many icons.
I have 24, most of which are games, which honestly I could probably just use GOG Galaxy if I really didn't want icons.
I have one Japanese VN I play which has no icon. I could probably make one, but I just go through file explorer. The only reason I have it that way is it was never translated and it just works better that way. It's more inconvenient for me to go through it that way.
When I am done with my games I uninstall them and remove the icons.
I seriously don't know how you'd flood your desktop with icons. Most people don't use that many programs. My quick launch gets far more use than anything else, and consists of file explorer, foobar2000, firefox, chrome and skype.
InfanticideAquifer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many windows users will not be able to run a program if a desktop icon does not exist. If you delete the icon they will believe that the program no longer exists. They do not know how to open a file explorer window. They do not know what a folder is.
aYearOfPrompts ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 13:47:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you guys stopped auto adding icons then people would actually learn how to use their computers. The user is only as smart as effort + result. The more you hand hold for them, the less effort it takes, which means the user stays dumber for other operations on their computer.
Thardor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:57:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize not everyone embodies this sub? My 85 year old grandparents and 55-60 year old parents donโt want to change what they do. They want to do what theyโve done for 20 years and not worry about it.
Adding effort to a process is literally the opposite of everything an engineer is trained do. If I was told to add effort to the consumerโs side at work Iโd probably ask my boss if he was crazy or being blackmailed by the competition.
aYearOfPrompts ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 14:15:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I do realize that. Do you realize that your 85 year old grandparent gets taken advantage of by scammers because we make things so easy for them they never have to learn how their computers actually work? By helping them to turn off their brain when they use their computer you teach them to turn off their brain when using a computer.
Thardor ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:27:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on, are you truly comparing using the windows search bar to not falling prey to social engineering scams?
At my company, in the building I work in alone, there are 1800-2000 professionals in the IT field, and there are consistently people who are tricked by the phishing emails infosec sends out to test whether or not employees will click them. That is, out of 1800 college graduates who work in a technical field, on computers for 8 hours a day, there are still quite a few who get tricked.
Come back to reality friend.
introvertedintooit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
literally just delete it dude, if the biggest intrusion is a desktop icon then thot's nothing to complain about.
anon380 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you've never encountered the horror that is the Homegroups desktop icon that refuses to be deleted and spontaneously pops back up months later.
introvertedintooit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no I haven't, because I generally avoid bloatware.
Iannaiian_7_12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use fences to organise my desktop and hide it when I don't want it. I got it in a humble a while ago, and I wouldn't necessarily recommend it at it's current price but still check it out.
Kraivo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recently I realized, I don't need them at all. Everything I need is instantly being found at the start menu
PaulTheMerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the other 80% of end users don't. That's the thing.
saintcrazy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is, my computers at work have these icons and since I'm not an administrator I can't remove them. So irritating.
erraticandunplanned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Desktop at any given moment
I decided awhile back that I will never have more than three icons on my desktop. It makes me very happy to see it clean.
TotalWalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look into Stardock's program "Fences" i just got it and love it
DeathsGhostArise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, i see a lot of people agreeing with you, i like the old style start menu, where the only thing people searched was "control panel"? Yeah that type of stuff.. i legit tell apps and programs NOT to create a start menu folder, then i have 2 things on the desktop, a folder named "Shortcuts" and my recycle bin..
ajc1239 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got all my icons in a small corner on my second monitor. The default location for new ones, though, is top left of my main monitor. Makes it really easy to spot new ones I never wanted and delete them
hellol111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to be able to use rainmeter so that I could have a nicer looking desktop. I'm considering using honeycomb for now and switching to something a little fancier when I have more experience.
Lord_Emperor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've assisted elderly users who can't even navigate to different websites without desktop icons. They are literally unable to learn another way to start an application. If it isn't on their desktop it might as well not exist.
robbiekhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the worst, the worst is apps that you uninstall, but they leave their garbage behind instead of cleaning up after themselves.
A desktop icon is easily deleted. Deleting all references to an uninstalled program is also easy, but tedious faff that should not need to even exist in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes is the worst at this and I thought I was alone in feeling frustrated by it.
Every time it updates itself, it forces an icon onto the desktop. I keep a pin of iTunes in the Windows taskbar as well. iTunes requires a reboot of Windows and that pin becomes an empty file until you manually replace it.
Zawaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right click -> View -> Show Desktop Icons
Fixed, I guess you're right though, I use Keypirinha as a launcher, so for me, having tons of icons on the desktop is important (Keypirinha doesn't always find shit) therefore I just hide the desktop icons
ludolfina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would love Raymond Chen's blog, The Old New Thing. He rants (and rightfully so) about the same fucking thing in this post
Tylertron12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly while I don't like this either(I use rainmeter so I have 0 icons anyway), I realize that if they didn't do this I'd be helping my parent with their computers 24/7.
Cosmic_Sands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This and how devs seem to think that My Documents is just a dumping ground.
DudeDudenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well i get it that it's just something you find annoying, but shift delete enter isn't that hard
Nyantara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone new to pc I have trouble finding apps if there's no icon.
jonirabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father puts everything on the desktop and I've wondered how he can find anything.
But I've never had that issue. I don't have all that many programs to begin with. I prefer that they be put on the desktop.
This is something I really dislike about Linux actually.
Z0MBIE2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, they should always have an option, if not I'd say have it make the icon by default. I'd rather have to delete the icon which is a single click/button press instead of having to find the folder where the program is in order to send a shortcut to desktop.
I use all my programs off of my desktop, I use my start menu for a couple pinned I use when using other stuff so it's more convenient then desktop when opening em.
guidedhand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:37 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its pretty handy if you are installing portable apps, or apps on non-indexed drives, as they wont show up unless you go their actual install location.
ThetaReactor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:06 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stuff I use constantly is pinned to the taskbar. Everything else is Win-key, type, auto-complete.
Bobthemime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have 2 folders on my desktop.
Stuff and Recycle.
I hate when i install a new product and it adds an icon (or in some cases more). Everything goes into stuff and if anything in it hasnt been touched for a month it gets moved to recycle and if after another month i havent used it.. i uninstall.
When a product updates an adds a new icon to the desktop, it is infuriating as im not sure if i actually wanted to keep it or not, as it resets the date last used.
WhiteSkyRising ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 14:00:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
developers. project managers*
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:53:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Krakkin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:05:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. We spend all day bitching about how the product is hard to use and the managers just come back with more half assed functionality they want us to cram in.
wpScraps ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 13:23:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a fan of Apple products, but they do this more than anybody and it's pretentious. It's like forced updates are the ghost of steve jobs coming to haunt Apple operating systems.
AngelDarkened ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 14:17:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, most users seem to fail to understand the importance of (security) updates, so, as someone who has to deal with the then virus-infected devices, I think forcing updates, at least critical ones, is a necessary implementation.
walterbanana ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:42:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not only do security updates automatically then? Why not make the system able to do updates while running first?
I understand if you want automated updates, but put some effort into it ffs. Microsoft fucked up, because they didn't bother to fix the issues users have with the updater before forcing it on them.
AngelDarkened ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:15:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is abusing the need for forced updates heavily, that's for sure! From a security standpoint though, it's better than making updates optional in general. It's not like tech-savvy people can't tweak it currently.
walterbanana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For comparison, if I enable automatic security updates on a Debian installation I will only see the updater once a month. It does updates all the time, but in a way which is very unintrusive, you barely ever notice it.
Microsoft should be able to make this happen in Windows.
argv_minus_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can. They just don't wanna.
MindlessElectrons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They use security updates to make stupid updates more annoying. Before the creators update came out I got a security update, so I installed it. Afterwards the prompt for the creators update wasn't a window you could tell to piss off for a certain amount of time but a window that had the option to restart and install now or remind me tomorrow. I kept hitting remind me tomorrow for what seemed like forever. Then the other night I was playing Civ V and my computer just restarted on its own and started installing the update. After it turned on I reverted back to a previous update and disabled the updates service.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like a disable option
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Luriker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:07:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That toggle should be easy though. I get that they don't want lots of people turning it off, but the sort of person who would be irresponsible enough to turn it off without knowing what they're doing isn't the sort of person who is going into the control panel or settings app unless someone is telling them to.
AngelDarkened ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to disagree. I work in IT and regularly meet people who are fairly competent using Windows, but can't grasp the importance of security updates. Often goes hand in hand with the "XP was the best, still use it on machine XY today"-crowd.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AngelDarkened ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:21:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it bad for games? Honest questions, never researched that. Do you mean if I play the same game on Win 7 and on Win 10 on the same hardware I'll get worse performance in 10?
Swineflew1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying he's basically a shill because he said win10 is good for gaming?
Can you quote where he actually said that?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Swineflew1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That still doesn't mean he claimed win10 was good for gaming, he's just generalizing gamers.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Swineflew1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't say "why are you still arguing about this" while YOU are still arguing about it too, what sense does that make?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Swineflew1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:29 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I was part of that argument, how else do you think we ended up here?
What did I accuse you of saying, I asked you to clarify why you were talking about gaming on win10 when the person you called a shill said nothing about gaming on win10.
Saying someone is a dumb or shill, then going on to explain why gaming is bad on win10 does imply that you think the other person is in favor of gaming on win10, or else why in the hell would you even bring it up?
Get over it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:23 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Swineflew1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:11 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asking you to clarify wtf you're talking about isn't an argument based on a faulty assumption, it's you backpedaling and getting lost in your own persecution complex.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Swineflew1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok bud, all those people downvoting you and upvoting all making assumptions, maybe because either intended or not, you made a pretty big implication.
Maybe try making coherent arguments or staying a little more directly on topic will help you in the future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Swineflew1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:04 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/tJ8smuY.jpg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:21 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Swineflew1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for proving my point.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lnslnsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even pro version anymore. You need enterprise to be able to turn off a lot of this stuff permanently.
AngelDarkened ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great comment man! Small nitpick (might be wrong): at least here in Germany, you can get Windows 10 Pro keys on Amazon for 10-20โฌ, wouldn't call that a paywall. I don't think I've ever used anything less than Professional in the last 10 years...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just make it optional. So simple.
AngelDarkened ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:13:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making optional = people disable it = people get viruses because, oh boy, Norton doesn't protect you from OS vulnerabilities.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then let them make the decision. Not all users are kids, if they don't want it don't force it.
Edit: Eh not really worth arguing with an Apple fanboy anyways.
argv_minus_one ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they're not installing security updates, then they are a menace to themselves and the rest of the Internet.
endlesscartwheels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft hid an operating system change as a "security update".
afistofirony ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What on earth are you talking about? In about 8 years of using OS X / macOS (since 10.5), I have never been forced to update my operating system. The same is true of iOS; itโll tell me thereโs an update available, but it wonโt randomly pop up with a prompt saying that my iPhone is restarting in 10 seconds.
Windows is the one that replaces the โShut downโ option with โUpdate and shut down,โ forcing you to either update or look for a loophole past the update process. That is what I call obnoxious.
no0bi1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:20:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What u smoking son I got iPhone and sierra any update is just a notification
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad Steve was actually good at figuring out the users' needs.
quimicita ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:32:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss my mac because at least I never had to turn off ads after every update or remove random useless bullshit from the bar at the bottom that I've already removed after every one of the last 4 updates.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Apple knowing what the consumer wants more than the consumer is (was?) kind of the whole idea behind Apple.
loosedata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:48 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I installed iCloud on to my Windows desktop and it was a real ball ache to change it from the C drive. They don't even give you the option to choose a drive, they just insist on it being C. Had to use a directory redirect to put it where I want.
There comes a point when you simplfy an experience to the point you make it more complicated.
mmavcanuck ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That way you've been saving your documents the last 25 years? That's for chumps. We're going to make a slightly better way to do it that's going to totally fuck with your head for about three weeks.
coftsock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:47:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The developers are only doing what they're told. Just like anyone else does what the boss/ higher ups say in their job.
Morjor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They totally should do that, because the vast majority of users don't care as much as we do. But if I need to go digging in config to get it off my computer than we have an issue.
Trawgg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it legal to install programs against our will on OUR PROPERTY? It's insane.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:29:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 12:54:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey remember when apple got rid of aperture because they figured people should use iphoto and simplified final cut pro because they though it'd help users more? Yeah definitely only happens in the windows ecosystem.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:40 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A trend in the proprietary ecosystem, then.
imbluedabedeedabedaa ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:27:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My apple machine has never:
All things I've been struggling with on my windows PC. I find I have to spend so much time on Windows trying to stop it doing things I don't want.
VemundManheim ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 13:31:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itunes is basically bloatware, so there's that's.
SkorpioSound ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:26:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, why do you dislike it so much? I use it as my music player, mostly out of habit from the days when I used to use my iPod, but I've had very few issues with it and never particularly seen a reason to switch. Is it that you find iTunes bad, or is it that you just think the alternatives are better? Why?
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes does a lot of sketchy stuff to keep you on iTunes.
imbluedabedeedabedaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes, the app which I don't use and can easily uninstall (and it doesn't magically come back)? That one?
VemundManheim ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:34:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's so bad about heroin? I don't use it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:39:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey, at least it doesn't inject itself into you
mccalli ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:38:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not on the Mac - it's included in system updates, it will pretty much always come back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes on Windows is bloatware, not so much on OS X.
VemundManheim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:37:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. On my MacBook, it was only mildly annoying.
On my pc, it was worth not getting an iPhone for.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:37:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...you also paid 50% more for the same hardware that a PC user would use.
imbluedabedeedabedaa ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:38:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please. This is such an overdone myth. Please, show me the Windows ultrabooks that cost 33% less than a MBP.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:57:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Macbook Pro, 2.9GHZ 7th gen i7, 15 inch display, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Radeon Pro 560 vid card - $2800
ASUS ROG laptop, 2.8GHZ 7th gen i7, 15 inch display, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - just a little over $1400
100MHZ slower (easily taken care of through overclock), FAR superior video card, and about half the price.
talontario ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:20:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare for the list of things the Asus lacks that makes it ยซnot comparableยป. Like command key.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:21:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm sure. :)
ApokalypseCow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:23:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, and it doesn't have that glowing Apple logo on the back of the LCD. Totally not comparable.
Tobias_Z ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MBP doesn't even have that anymore!
imbluedabedeedabedaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:40:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a gaming laptop, not an ultrabook. It's also 30% thicker and 25% heavier, making things small and light is expensive. The screen resolution is 60% less (1920x1080 vs 2440x1800). The SSD in the MBP is top of class. The battery and speakers in the MBP are vastly superior. The chassis and touchpad are no contest. The support experience is no contest. I've had my laptop for 5 years and it runs like its new, and will last many more years. I've never had that sort of experience with any windows machine, and I've owned many.
A better comparison would be the Surface Laptop, which costs... $2800 at those specs.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm seeing here is "I'm willing to pay twice as much so I don't have to carry an extra pound and change." The ROG laptop has a physical hard drive in it as well, to increase storage (hey look, more storage onboard!) which is part of the reason it's bigger and heavier.
All SSDs are virtually identical in terms of real world performance.
The battery I'll give to the Macbook - is it $1400 worth of difference? Oh hell no. Speakers? Who cares about speakers?? Your headphones will plug in to either one just as well - hell, better on the ASUS because you've got more USB ports!
The chasis and touchpad literally don't matter, because nobody but mac fanboys care. I'm literally typing this out on a macbook pro 15" (provided by work) and the only time I use the touchpad is when my stupid-ass mouse runs out of charge, because Apple in their infinite wisdom put the charging port for their mouse on the bottom of the fucking thing.
So you're going to pay $1400 more in case your over-expensive toy breaks?
Ah yes, let's compare one OEM overpriced monstrosity to another... nope. You asked for comparable hardware, I gave you comparable hardware (actually better in terms of the graphics card), and now you're giving excuses to try to justify paying twice the price.
imbluedabedeedabedaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL, if you think a 5 year old laptop is just as good as a modern one, you're dreaming.
You missed the point: for all practical purposes they're identical. They're so much faster than traditional hard drives that the differences between them are pretty irrelevant.
I'm not. It's slower than using a mouse, especially when I've got several monitors set up.
It is over-expensive.
...you think that it's still going to be worthwhile to use in 5 years. In 5 years, I'll buy a new laptop for $1400, have spent just as much as you (less actually when you factor in inflation), and have better hardware than what you're stuck with.
I don't really think I need to do anything else here - you'll pay $600 nominally for a new battery w/o warranty. I can pay $80-$120 for a replacement battery for that Asus, and I can replace it myself. Your over-expensive toy came wrapped up so tight you can't do any maintenance on it yourself, you've gotta pay more money to Apple for them to fix it.
So what it boils down to is ephemerals: you like a metal case, a slightly lighter PC, a maginally faster SSD, a worse video card, and your "user experience", and you'll pay twice the price for that. I'll get better hardware for half the price, upgrade in a few years, end up paying overall less than you for twice the machines with remarkably better hardware overall, and yet you'll still suck the cold dead cock of Steve Jobs because you're addicted to Mac.
imbluedabedeedabedaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK, let's check.
MyCPU: 8490 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3820QM+%40+2.70GHz&id=899
AsusROV: 8964 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-7700HQ+%40+2.80GHz
SSD is about the same, ~500MB/s Read/Write for both, but this apparently doesn't matter anyway.
RAM: 1600MHz LPDDR3 vs
2400MHz DDR4, got me there.
My point is, 5 years later I feel no need to upgrade. The CPU and SSD performance is what I need, and they're still up to scratch. And if I do want to upgrade, I can sell this machine for ~$1000.
_cortex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent argument there, good sir.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... are you aware of where we are? This is /r/PCMasterRace. It's a gaming subreddit. The stuff he's talking about is immaterial to gaming. Slightly longer battery life? You plug in your shit. Better speakers? You're wearing headphones anyway! Slightly faster SSD? It makes no noticeable difference when you're loading maps. Metal case? Is that really worth an extra $1400 to you? Mine's 25% lighter! That's fine, but is it $1400 worth of fine? I have a touchpad! Great - it's still a shitty built-in!
Sure, it's good hardware, I'll readily admit that, but it's not good enough to justify twice the price.
_cortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am, I'm typing this on my gaming PC right now. This thread is about bloatware, which is rampant on Windows. I just reinstalled Windows on my Laptop today and had fucking Candy Crush or some shit in my startmenu after updating and I sure as hell didn't install that.
You were the one who made it about hardware. No one said anything about using it for gaming until you brought it up just now. A MacBook is a business machine, not a gaming one. The fact of the matter is that the two are not comparable. It's as if you're comparing a motorcycle and a drag race car. Sure, both have a motor, but they have completely different uses, even if it all boils down to getting you from point A to point B.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they are - even if it's a business machine, we can still compare the relevant specs: CPU, RAM, storage, video card, battery life, etc - His has slightly better battery life and a nice case, mine is equivalent or better in the other respects, for half the price.
_cortex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, you are disregarding all the things that the other guy listed and you're only picking what you want because "I don't need any of the other things".
By the way, that ASUS is totally overpriced. I can build a custom gaming PC for half the price that'll perform better and have better or equal relevant specs: CPU, RAM, storage, video card, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...because this is a gaming subreddit and those things don't matter to gaming?
Well yes - but he wanted a comparable laptop, so I picked a laptop. For $1000 you can build a PC that'll blow away that macbook on every front.
_cortex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm seeing here is "I'm willing to pay twice as much so I don't have to carry a couple extra pounds". Brodin shall strike me down on the day that I can't even carry around a gaming PC anymore. Why would I use this expensive $1400 ASUS contraption when I can have a much better performing gaming machine for half the price? The fact that it's a laptop literally doesn't matter. ASUS is just overpriced.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sure, Asus laptops are certainly overpriced. I was going for a bit of an apples to apples comparison is all. :)
OTOhTea ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:41:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Windows has never done any of that either. I can't relate to all the "forced reboot" Windows 10 complaints. I don't know if I did something, but it just doesn't happen to me.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:24 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worse on Home than Pro than Enterprise. It also happens more if you don't reboot your PC regularly.
DoktorAkcel ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least Photos got most of Aperture functionality back, and FCX just got a facelift, functionality hadn't changed
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:13:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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loosedata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:49 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was Google, or do they only bother with the second step.
ThePrplPplEater ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't interrupt the pcmr circle jerk.
VanCardboardbox ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:30:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is off topic, and a personal gripe, but I remember when people made assertions with statements rather than couching their meaning in off-putting and patronising rhetorical questions crafted to make their interlocutors appear foolish.
openRUSE ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:09:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's elsewhere too. You see it all over the place these days. "Sane defaults" turning into "Options confuse users, remove them all." You even see it in Linux under GNOME where the devs are increasingly restricting user choice because MUH BRAND.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:21:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PaulTheMerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what is systemd , and what's the problem with it?
coolblinger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Systemd is an init system for Linux, which is the first program to start when you turn on your computer and it handles everything from the booting process to running background services. The main critique on systemd is that it tries to do too much, as it also handles things like networking and device management. The motivation behind all of that is that makes configuration more portable across systems. This violates the Unix philosophy, though it is possible to replace certain components if the user wishes to.
That being said, I personally don't mind systemd at all. I find that it makes configuration a breeze and it works the same on every computer and server I've used, unlike in the past where most Linux distributions used different init systems and handled configuration in their own way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:56:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bastinenz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that it rejects Unix's licensing model. On a technical level GNU's developers were smart enough to acknowledge that UNIX is probably as close to perfect as a general purpose OS can get and adopted most of the design philosophies UNIX uses.
MoreThanTom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHY IS NO ONE MENTIONING STEAM
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it hasn't annoyed enough people yet.
Do you think Linux would be as popular as it is if Microsoft wasn't screwing over users?
DoktorAkcel ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:45:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It slowly crawls into Linux too. Like how everyone is forced to use systemd, which just refuses to work on one of my older machines. And with every new release, it's harder and harder to jump through hoops to make it use init.d instead of this bullshit.
Xorous ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:29:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With free software, you have the freedom to replace it!
DoktorAkcel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's getting harder and harder to do so. And it's a personal gripe, but I am not a fan of GNU politics lately.
eirexe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free software politics haven't really changed
musdem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people are actually really against systemd because it goes against the Linux philosophy of keeping things small and modular. I have a feeling it's getting adopted so widely because of popular distros using it. Though you should still be able to use Debian with init.d if you really need to use it.
DoktorAkcel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I do. Because other distros either don't offer init.d at all now, or it's installation is so heavy, it's barely worth the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not using Systemd or PulseAudio; screw Poettering and his buggy invasive software.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On Linux, if you know how, you can make a replacement for systemd, and you can give it to the public for free. On Windows, you just have to hope that Microsoft will listen to the users' wishes.
Logicalist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they built my computer, I wouldn't feel as bad about them trying to control it. But they didn't.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:08:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Eswercaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct, sir.
GlassMeccaNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted, troll brother.
simjanes2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, they're the slowest non-*nix OS to do it. Apple and consoles have been at the "less options means you can't say no" game for decades.
Blutorden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decisions like these are usually made by product owners/designers, not developers.
revolct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not the developers, it's managers
TheBlueBlaze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have Windows 10, but didn't they change the bluescreen error from an explanation of precisely what failed, technical details, and the following steps to take to "Something bad happened :("?
Eswercaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's second on my list of things I hate recently. "We're working on something...", "Hold on while we set things up for you!", etc....
niroby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its:
Something has gone wrong :( To learn more about this error you can search ERROR CODE
Microsoft then has pages for each error code with more detail. This is a huge improvement over having to write down the information from your blue screen.
xConorrr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered using Linux? You're free to decide what you want to use, how you want to use it, customize and break it, or whatever else.
Eswercaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do. But it's inevitable to need to use Windows from time to time.
xConorrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then that explains when the first comment came from lol. Right on.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:40:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Whind_Soull ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:14:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should add a fairly well-hidden checkbox option for "I'm not an idiot," that gives you back control.
SarcasmNotImplied ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:15:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, people thought that not updating was best so we got massive botnets.
So yes, developers do know better than end users.
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:33:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's taking about updates, though. Developers do not know better than end users, and I say that as a developer.
RamenJunkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:36:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/linux
DasFrettchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't think they know, they just want to push you in certain directions.
Like what the other guy said, with the desktop icons. They force the opt-out not because they think people will want that. They do because they know less tech savvy people are more prone to use their software if the icon is in the desktop.
It always reminds me of those phishing e-mails and stuff being poorly written on purpose, so that only gullible people will go through, thus the poor writing works as a pre-filter of sorts.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a trend in everything. "Check out the new toyota Carolla! We've added hip new accents and made the seats recyclable, for all you millennials! It will still put you in a coma from boredom, but its so green" i get the feeling marketing personnel have lost touch with reality.
bshand567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also in phones. I can't uninstall Facebook on my phone
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think in this case it's less developers thinking they know what people want and more MS getting that sweet ad revenue or ways to collect data about people. Even if the app doesn't seem to collect any real data they still get something by seeing if you launch it or not.
I think it's just super invasive bullshit and I don't even think we've come close to cracking the surface on what is to come in the next 20+ years. Future is gonna be shitty ad plastered bullshit.
IbnKhaldune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By know they know better, what they are looking for is to make it a hassle to uninstall with hoops to jump through. Enough to quit trying
enmunate28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people probably don't know how to best use their product.
event_horizon_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cough Apple cough
Luriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I feel Microsoft is worse than Apple about this when it comes to computing platforms. Obviously iOS is the king of "Apple imposing their vision," but as far as Mac goes, the only thing in the last few years like this was a change to how apps could modify the OS GUI (I think this is called the window server?) It was primarily to lock the potential for abusive programs, but it sort of killed the macOS ricing scene at the time.
_S_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically all technology.
Nastyboots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks apple
Sybertron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lean startup is a key book for anyone developing anything ever to read.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, push notifications for EVERYTHING is awesome guys!
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:19 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's amazing about Linux is there are many flavors, so anyone can get one to suit their needs.
DASoulWarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:02 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because YOU know how to use your products. We're part of a probably 10% of people who pay attention at how to use our software (and PCs overall). Most people don't. Really.
You know how you think of something kinda clever and remember-able when making up a password? I've met people who recycle passwords, changing just the last letter.
To be honest, the actual bad thing is developers that take advantage of computer illiterate people to make money through ads, malware, etc...
McDrMuffinMan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:38:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a coincidence, that's the same trend I abhor in politics
mrchaotica ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:05:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How odd; my system doesn't have that problem.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because engineers can't think like people.
Some of it is curse of knowledge shit.
But a lot of it is all those years of social alienation biting them in the ass through their work.
The "Papa knows best" engineer/developer trope is a byproduct of not hanging out with enough different kinds of people...so one becomes prone to assuming anyone can be slotted into a designed system built on technical rules.
Except...humans are wildly irrational and don't care about what inventors expect them to do. And if a few of these folks got out and mixed it up more, it wouldn't be so shocking to learn most people don't want Microsoft or Apple or anyone telling them when how where and why they can use the technology they buy.
Developers that can't let go and surrender to users taking ownership of the system is really no better than George Lucas taking Star Wars and editing in Greedo shooting first.
LoneCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Project managers*
Developers don't like this shit any more than you.
Also software engineers work in teams of 4-6 and often get juggled between management teams, too. Even if they are not on average developers change jobs every 2-3 years and this is the fastest turnover (and is normal) of any educated profession. There is no "social alienation".
As a developers fuck M$ taking power away from the user. I am a user. How do you think I grew to like technology?
Michealmas ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 13:07:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype died when they decided users no longer needed to sort contacts by online status. Because that's obviously not a useful function in an online messaging service.
Frando3 ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 13:44:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hangouts did this too. It's ridiculous.
simjanes2k ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 14:28:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hangouts died when it ditched SMS handling. Fucking why?!?!?
That's the worst thing that happened to my phone in almost ten years.
DrHoppenheimer ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:52:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love my Google Pixel. Out of the box it comes with no less than three messaging apps made by Google: Hangouts, Allo and Duo. None of them are compatible with each other or SMS.
It's ridiculous.
Nathan2055 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:40:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it ships with Android Messages as well for SMS, which is also Google developed.
So that's four apps to handle one function.
MewtwosTrainer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't Duo a video chat app, though? I guess Hangouts did have that at some point
fooksies ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:15:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it confused the hell out of normal people. I've been using google voice for years and my messaging solution is a combination of hangouts, regular texts (I move a lot) and google voice. It was (and still is) wonderful - but I haven't been able to get other people who would benefit from my solution to understand hangouts and SMS, let alone adopt it. The distinction between a hangouts message and SMS was too small for them to understand. They get iMessage because it does everything in the background for you - and they understand whatsapp because it's a separate app - but both sms and IM in the same app? Nope, it's either too complex or people are too technologically inept. Hell, half the people I know don't even understand how Google Voice works even though it's just a simple forwarding number.
jdovew ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:17:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, messages goes to any phone number. Hangouts have to have the hangout app installed and an account.
fooksies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the app had a combined list where all your regular cellular text conversations, IM conversations and Google Voice conversations were all pooled into one single conversation list. It was very powerful and handy but they split off SMS at some point.
atimholt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine still works the old way because my Google Voice number is my real number. SMS messages to Google Voice show up in Hangouts.
fooksies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use a regular number along with Google voice because I travel and international roaming can be a pain (even if it's T-Mo) when dealing with locals. Previously, regular texts, google voice and hangouts were all in the same app. Now regular texts have been split off into a diff app.
SavageAlien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I don't know about died. I use Hangouts just about everyday and have done so since before it was named Hangouts. I just use another app for SMS. However I do understand how some people would be upset. Different strokes for different folks.
boisdeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:48 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hangouts was dead to me when I saw it wanted to handle my SMS. Fucking why??
NateY3K ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype's ability to see if someone is online or not is so unreliable that status doesn't mean anything anyways
GAMST3R ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What killed it for me was when they would start playing ads in the middle of a call. Very loud ads.
xian0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even sure if Skype still has ads, I went all "adblock" on it years ago.
warmage007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They removed a feature that's cruicial to every online messenger ever.. nice job Microsoft.
liekwaht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is a good video chat alternative to Skype? Particularly for Windows and Mac?
Michealmas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:32:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facetime on Mac, if you don't mind waiting hold off until Discord add video calling.
liekwaht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exciting
Thestickman391 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord will have video chat soon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Michealmas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily I only use audio for group calls so Discord suits my needs perfectly. I've used Facebooks video calling a bit but it's awful and I don't have an iPhone to use facetime. Discord is due to add video to their system soon and they have so far at least delivered excellent quality so odds are it'll be worth the wait if video is a big priority for people.
Dalisca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, very much alive. It's rooted deeply in Outlook and SharePoint, so in the corporate world it's become a staple.
loosedata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:01 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem to be that important of a feature in the modern world, how often are people not near their phones?
JealotGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...What? It still puts the offline users at the bottom so I don't get what the problem is.
Michealmas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly have not received the forced upgrade yet. Count your lucky stars.
JealotGaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It updated recently and still isn't doing that.
Other than that, I'm using Windows 7; so I don't get forced upgrades.
Michealmas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be why then. The Windows 10 version for some reason does away with online status as a contact filter. Your option is alphabetical or nothing. It's just awful.
Senshiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The phone app doesn't even let you flag yourself as online/invisible/whatever anymore, and the desktop and phone apps conflict and spam switch my status between online and invisible like they're in a fight with each other. I just want to stay invisible while I check messages. It's so terrible.
...and my work just made Skype required. Sigh.
Mr_Zero ยท 654 points ยท Posted at 15:01:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the Wikipedia article.
Kwarter ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 19:13:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take this to the top, everyone needs to see this.
tiberius-jr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:32:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote af
TheSownReaper ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:15:40 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even discord doesn't have this kinda shit going on
Heavyoak ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:43:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this needs more updoots
Tiraboschi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:33 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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loosedata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:45 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A service that by default stores everything on unencrypted servers based in Russia, that offers unlimited storage and top of the line features for absoultely nothing in return, while being funded by the creator of Russia's biggest social network which was subsequentally handed over to Vladimir Putin's allies.
If you're not using Skype for privacy reasons I'd stay away from that one.
12DollarLargePizza ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:36 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hate when people act like shit like this matters. So what? I'm pretty sure the government isn't gonna give a shit about me sending my friends memes and shit all day. They put this in place because it helps find criminals who use their platform to plan/discuss illegal shit and honestly if that's what you're doing, you're a fucking idiot for talking about it through the internet in the first place. Unless you have something to hide, don't worry. But if you do, well justice was fucking served. I don't see the problem with that. If you honestly think some guy pouring over the data is read your conversations about random shit you're saying to your friends/family, you're a cynical piece of shit and you might as well never trust anyone.
DemonicAnahka ยท 894 points ยท Posted at 10:05:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out
[deleted] ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 11:25:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The year is 2027
GarrettPinkFloyd ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:16:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A BOMB!
daveamol ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:32:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome icarus theme starts playing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:55 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This theme still gives me chills after all these years. It's high up, among the best video game themes ever imho
ssbmboo69 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:53:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The year is 20XX
glennoo ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 10:12:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I didn't even notice.
fakeswede ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to make enemies, try to uninstall something.
buttsexparty ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 14:26:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of bloatware, I wrote a simple powershell script for work that removes all of the bloatware in Windows 10. It gets updated pretty regularly because Microsoft keeps adding garbage. Hereโs a link.
https://github.com/southpaw5271/BeachedWhale/blob/master/BeachedWhale7.1.ps1
[1]Edit: People are confused about powershell scripts. Iโll clarify some stuff here. 1. This is not a command prompt .bat file. Running this in command prompt will fail.
Powershell is for more advanced users. If this scares you, donโt do it.
To run this, download the .ps1 file and right click it, then click โRun with powershellโ
A GUI will appear. If you donโt want to uninstall the Xbox app, donโt click the button that says โUninstall Xbox Appโ.
Edit 2: I thought this went without saying. This only works in Windows 10.
Edit 3: Gilded two times? You guys are awesome! Thank you! Iโm glad I could help the community โค๏ธ
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Requires -RunAsAdministrator sleep 5 Add-Type -Name win -MemberDefinition '[DllImport("user32.dll")] public static extern bool ShowWindow(int handle, int state);' -Namespace native [native.win]::ShowWindow(([System.Diagnostics.Process]::GetCurrentProcess() | Get-Process).MainWindowHandle,0) $version = "BeachedWhale 1809" Function Remove-WinApps{ #$wshell.Popup("Bloatware removal has started. Don't close BeachedWhale until it's finished.",0,"$version") $removeWinAppsBtn.Text = "Removing Windows Apps..." Get-AppxPackage -Name *WindowsCamera* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *WindowsMaps* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *WindowsSoundRecorder* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *WindowsAlarms* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *WindowsFeedbackHub* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage *windowscommunicationsapps* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *WindowsPhone* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *BingNews* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *BingFinance* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *BingSports* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *BingWeather* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *ZuneVideo* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *ZuneMusic* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *SkypeApp* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *MicrosoftOfficeHub* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Messaging* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Advertising.Xaml* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Office.OneNote* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *OneConnect* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *People* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Getstarted* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Phone* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Sway* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Print3D* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Microsoft3DViewer* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *3DBuilder* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *NetworkSpeedTest* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *RemoteDesktop* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Wallet* | Remove-AppxPackage $removeWinAppsBtn.Text = "Windows Apps Removed." } Function Remove-Games{ $removeGamesBtn.Text = "Removing Games..." Get-AppxPackage -Name *BubbleWitch* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *HiddenCity* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Disney* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *MarchofEmpires* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *CandyCrush* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *MicrosoftSolitaireCollection* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *RoyalRev* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *COOKINGFEVER* | Remove-AppxPackage $removeGamesBtn.Text = "Games Removed." } Function Remove-Other{ $removeOtherBtn.Text = "Removing Other Bloatware..." Get-AppxPackage -Name *PowerBI* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Eclipse* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *AdobePhotoshopExpress* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Sling* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Duolingo* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *PhototasticCollage* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Keeper* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *SketchBook* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *DolbyAccess* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Fitbit* | Remove-AppxPackage $removeOtherBtn.Text = "Other Bloatware Removed." } Function Remove-Music{ $removeMusicBtn.Text = "Removing Music Apps..." Get-AppxPackage -Name *Spotify* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Pandora* | Remove-AppxPackage $removeMusicBtn.Text = "Music Apps Removed." } Function Remove-Social{ $removeSocialBtn.Text = "Removing Social Apps..." Get-AppxPackage -Name *twitter* | Remove-AppxPackage Get-AppxPackage -Name *Facebook* | Remove-AppxPackage $removeSocialBtn.Text = "Social Apps Removed." } Function Remove-XboxApp { $removeXboxBtn.Text = "Removing Xbox App..." Get-AppxPackage -Name *XboxApp* | Remove-AppxPackage $removeXboxBtn.Text = "Xbox App Removed." } Function Remove-WindowsStore { $removeWinStoreBtn.Text = "Removing Windows Store..." Get-AppxPackage *windowsstore* | Remove-AppxPackage $removeWinStoreBtn.Text = "Windows Store Removed." } Function Remove-OneDrive { $uninstallOneDriveBtn.Text = "Removing OneDrive..." C:\Windows\SysWOW64\OneDriveSetup.exe /uninstall sleep 5 $uninstallOneDriveBtn.Text = "OneDrive uninstalling in background." } ############################################## Add-Type -AssemblyName System.Windows.Forms [System.Windows.Forms.Application]::EnableVisualStyles() $BeachedWhaleForm = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Form $BeachedWhaleForm.ClientSize = '821,438' $BeachedWhaleForm.text = "$version" $BeachedWhaleForm.TopMost = $false $topLabel = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Label $topLabel.text = "BeachedWhale has been updated to version 1803. It can remove bloatware from Windows 10 v1803." $topLabel.AutoSize = $true $topLabel.width = 25 $topLabel.height = 10 $topLabel.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(51,29) $topLabel.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,12' $removeWinAppsBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $removeWinAppsBtn.text = "Remove Windows Apps" $removeWinAppsBtn.width = 190 $removeWinAppsBtn.height = 47 $removeWinAppsBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(172,96) $removeWinAppsBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $removeWinAppsBtn.Add_Click({Remove-WinApps}) $removeGamesBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $removeGamesBtn.text = "Remove Games" $removeGamesBtn.width = 190 $removeGamesBtn.height = 47 $removeGamesBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(172,164) $removeGamesBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $removeGamesBtn.Add_Click({Remove-Games}) $removeSocialBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $removeSocialBtn.text = "Remove Social Apps" $removeSocialBtn.width = 190 $removeSocialBtn.height = 47 $removeSocialBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(172,233) $removeSocialBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $removeSocialBtn.Add_Click({Remove-Social}) $removeMusicBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $removeMusicBtn.text = "Remove Music Apps" $removeMusicBtn.width = 190 $removeMusicBtn.height = 47 $removeMusicBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(172,300) $removeMusicBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $removeMusicBtn.Add_Click({Remove-Music}) $removeXboxBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $removeXboxBtn.text = "Remove Xbox App" $removeXboxBtn.width = 190 $removeXboxBtn.height = 47 $removeXboxBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(490,96) $removeXboxBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $removeXboxBtn.Add_Click({Remove-XboxApp}) $removeWinStoreBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $removeWinStoreBtn.text = "Remove Windows Store" $removeWinStoreBtn.width = 190 $removeWinStoreBtn.height = 47 $removeWinStoreBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(490,164) $removeWinStoreBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $removeWinStoreBtn.Add_Click({Remove-WindowsStore}) $uninstallOneDriveBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $uninstallOneDriveBtn.text = "Uninstall OneDrive" $uninstallOneDriveBtn.width = 190 $uninstallOneDriveBtn.height = 47 $uninstallOneDriveBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(490,233) $uninstallOneDriveBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $uninstallOneDriveBtn.Add_Click({Remove-OneDrive}) $removeOtherBtn = New-Object system.Windows.Forms.Button $removeOtherBtn.text = "Remove Other Bloatware" $removeOtherBtn.width = 190 $removeOtherBtn.height = 47 $removeOtherBtn.location = New-Object System.Drawing.Point(172,366) $removeOtherBtn.Font = 'Microsoft Sans Serif,10' $removeOtherBtn.Add_Click({Remove-Other}) $BeachedWhaleForm.controls.AddRange(@($topLabel,$removeWinAppsBtn,$removeGamesBtn,$removeSocialBtn,$removeMusicBtn,$removeXboxBtn,$removeWinStoreBtn,$uninstallOneDriveBtn,$removeOtherBtn)) [void]$BeachedWhaleForm.ShowDialog() $BeachedWhaleForm.Dispose()I_Nut_In_Butts ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:12:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm pretty noobish with PCโs so could you explain how I would use this?
flacidturtle1 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:21:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
follow steps 1 through 3.
DaDubbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:53 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't entirely true. The execution policy within Powershell will stop it from running.
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee176961.aspx
Loraash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:51:12 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PowerShell. Where literally the only thing you want to do with it is disallowed by default. Thanks MS.
DaDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a powerful tool and they do it for security reasons. There are ways to bypass it, so it isn't entirely secure but it is to protect people for the most part. You don't want make it easier for hackers to get data off your computer.
Loraash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:13 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The security point is moot because haxx0rs can just use .vbs instead. So here we are, where PS is only used when it's forced on its users by MS, and it is STILL failing so hard that they decided to just get bash. At least that one runs scripts.
DaDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:30 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I am just stating that is MS's reasoning.
Loraash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:49 on October 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And my original post was sarcastically thanking them for that. :)
Kyrie-Irving ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do I do if I want to keep the Xbox app?
buttsexparty ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:23:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you run it in the GUI mode (as itโs designed) itโs optional to remove the Xbox app. Just donโt click the button that says โRemove Xbox Appโ.
roionsteroids ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
remove https://github.com/southpaw5271/BeachedWhale/blob/master/BeachedWhale7.1.ps1#L65-L73 I guess
bacondev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few more at the bottom. Or you could simply not press the button.
Sybre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:01 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it sucks that Gears of War 4 is on the windows store + linked with the xbox App. Otherwise I would of tossed them out months ago.
the_federation ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seppuku
Master_Penetrate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I have been hiding and removing what I can from windows 10 but biggest thank to you to actually helping me to remove them.
Superfan234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't work for me
DaDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:22 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should think about setting it up in a way that the user can select what they want to delete, and have a delete all option. I know that windows forms can't do a visual switch but maybe a drop down as yes or no.
TapTapLift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:44 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good man!
xxfay6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd recommend just going all the way and running /r/TronScript
fii0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for showing me this!
Whatever_It_Takes ยท -43 points ยท Posted at 17:12:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NONE OF THESE SHITTY COMMAND LINES WORK FOR ME. WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?
NosNap ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:02:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy shared a script he wrote, for free, to help you out. So your response is to flame him in caps because you don't understand how to use it and can't be bothered to read the documentation..
C'mon man, use your brain a little
Prophage7 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:21:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats because its not command line... its powershell.
dovvv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:21:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao there's always one isn't there XD
[deleted] ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 16:45:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is also known to: Accidently leak your real name
Intentionally leak your own name
Leak your location at the push of a button
Make your ip very visible
Log all your chats (unencrypted) on your hard drive
Log your chats on the cloud
Send information to the NSA when requested
And have an "invisible" feature for being offline, that does not really work
Overall, skype is very cancerous, and should not be used.
ItsKipz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you share your skype username it is TRIVIALLY EASY to get your address from it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait what?? Seriouly??? I thought it only shares your address if you press the button. And I thought you could only get the ip using resolvers????
ItsKipz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tested it with my own username, literally just googled "skype IP checker" and it gave me my ip and my home address.
Bobthemime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:20 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm.
Ask a friend in another country to see if i couldtest this. I don't know his real name, his adress or anything besides the fact he lives in New South Wales.
In 10mins i found out more about him than i would have liked, including dick pics he sent his gf on his skype. If i wanted to I could have reset his password and bought Skype Credit on his account if i wanted.
Suffice as to say, he no longer has Skype.
ItsKipz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:06 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that's terrifying. Discord for life.
Bobthemime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:01 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is really terrifying what you can do if you try.
in order to confirm that the account was mine, all i had to do was supply a phone number and there is an option for "forgot security questions" and "new phone number".
I had him make a new account and to tell me just the username. It is now my account and its got his credit card attached to it. Needless to say if i could do it, a professional scammer will and has done it.
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which btw ANYONE in the "path" can snap up. Sent from IP to IP until it reaches Skype's server. So basically everyone is a middleman.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:17:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord:
Never leaks real name
Has no location button
Ip is hidden
Chat is logged, but not locally
Probably still sends info to the NSA
going online or offline works
SO discord is not 100% great, but its better than skype
AerialRush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely does receive, sell and send information about you, https://youtu.be/QN_6AZT92pU
Bobthemime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord isn't great but at least they are upfront about it.
Tiraboschi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:01 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have left reddit for a reddit alternative due to years of admin mismanagement and preferential treatment for certain subreddits and users holding certain political and ideological views.
The situation has gotten especially worse since the appointment of Ellen Pao as CEO, culminating in the seemingly unjustified firings of several valuable employees and bans on hundreds of vibrant communities on completely trumped-up charges.
The resignation of Ellen Pao and the appointment of Steve Huffman as CEO, despite initial hopes, has continued the same trend.
As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on reddit, overwriting them with this message.
If you would like to do the same, install TamperMonkey for Chrome, GreaseMonkey for Firefox, NinjaKit for Safari, Violent Monkey for Opera, or AdGuard for Internet Explorer (in Advanced Mode), then add this GreaseMonkey script.
Finally, click on your username at the top right corner of reddit, click on the comments tab, and click on the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot.
After doing all of the above, you are welcome to join me on a reddit alternative
It was fun while it lasted -- See you, space cowboy.
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:38 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you think chat not being logged locally is actually more dangerous?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:39 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
of corse. NEver said discord was great, its just better than skype. Btw do you know any free secure messagers?
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:49 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than Skype, Discord, Messenger, and Google Hangouts, nope.
DiamondPigman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keybase Chat, Telegram and Wire are the first ones that come to mind
[deleted] ยท 469 points ยท Posted at 12:51:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quit Skype
Go to C:\Users\youruser\AppData\Roaming\Skype\yourSkypeuser\config.xml and remove this line: <AdvertPlaceholder>1</AdvertPlaceholder>
bla2bla1bla ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:52:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mother fuck boss right here!
maz-o ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:25:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real travesty here is that that is needed...
Andreaworld ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:44:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
_Vetis_ ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:43:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck is this necessary to remove software in this age?!
avik244 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:27:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this does not remove skype. it removes the ads from the skype -_-
rillip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:02 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does take a god awful amount of work to remove things Microsoft doesn't want you to though. Also you have to open the store (fuck the fact that that exists) and tell it in it's settings not to install shit on your computer or it will constantly download and reinstall apps like candy crush in the background. Win 10 is such bullshit.
ScoobyGreg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ftfy
SingForMaya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i... I don't have an appdata folder.
nwesterhausen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a hidden folder. If you put %appdata% in the location bar of windows explorer it will open it up
Burnaby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be pedantic,
%AppData%is actually%UserProfile%\AppData\Roamingnwesterhausen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but figured my steps would get him close enough to find it
TechGoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. But Use %localappdata% instead to go to the folder the op mentioned.
nwesterhausen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know that was a thing, for years I've been using %appdata% and going up and then down into local.. Thank you.
Theons_sausage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:01:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You da man
Staiden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes thank you
Burnaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equivalent:
%AppData%\Skype\yourSkypeuser\config.xmldworker8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im having trouble on step 8 :c
Mech_BB-8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This did nothing for me.
DudeDudenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, Microsoft will eventually throw out an update so it constantly tells you that skype isn't working correctly
mr-interested ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are these steps solely for removing the toxic advertisements?
Or does this completely disable skype from working?
Also does this work with the desktop version of skype, or only the windows 10 store version?
Iliketopostgifs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:58 on December 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question: What does this do? I don't understand why you restart skype to uninstall it, or am I wrong?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:56:10 on December 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just for removing all the ADs and keep using Skype as it should be.
NoobDeGuerra ยท 925 points ยท Posted at 13:02:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I started using discord, better than skype in every way
vagabond_dilldo ยท 638 points ยท Posted at 13:37:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem I have with it is, it's hard to introduce to the general non-gaming community, because so much of the gaming culture is baked into the software. If only there was a non-gaming version without all those cute startup messages so that I can convince my relatives to use Discord instead of the cancer that is Skype.
TheShinyEmerald ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 13:44:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about Slack? I don't know a lot about it except that I use it for work sometimes. It seems to me that it is just like discord except without all the gaming features built in. I don't know if slack has a group voice chat system however.
vagabond_dilldo ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 13:47:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've used Slack as well, Slack is very well suited for the work/school environment.
JuanTapMan ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 14:38:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's obnoxiously unintuitive to join a channel and requires a lot of time to explain. I nearly lost my shit my first time joining another slack because I never knew I needed another account for the same app. Discord is so much nicer with one account, and short invite links.
vagabond_dilldo ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:39:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having to join each different group through a different URL and username is somewhat un-intuitive, I agree. Also harder to keep track of conversation due to the thread-based conversation history.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Click this link, sign in. Done. SOOOOOO difficult.
Also, you probably don't want your "xxJuanStoner420xx" name showing up in your work chats.
JuanTapMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:36 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I give people the workspace link, they are required to make their own personal workspace or something first. After that, they get confused as to why they can't log into the workspace that I gave them. Why in the world does each workspace have to have a new account, and not just link all into a single account spanning multiple workspaces, like Discord. But I kinda get the bad name point, but you can always set a nickname
braingle987 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:08:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My work was using Slack for a while but ended up going back to what's app since people were having issues receiving messages on Slack. (Moreso people were not tagging people correctly)
Cueball61 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:24:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to join a team on slack, you canโt just be a user for 1 on 1 communication. You also have to pay for group, video and screen sharing calls
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only downside is that it's really confusing / cumbersome to keep tabs on two different servers. Discord makes it really easy. The only two downsides discord has relative to slack is the global username (for example, if you do not want to be recognized as the real you on a server and in PMs but not in a specific server), and WHERE ARE MY ANIMATED EMOJIS FFS.
CapControl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use slack a lot for work, its fine although missing like you mentioned groups calls and personally I miss a way to simply share my screen.
Cyral ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:27:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slack has screen sharing now, I think it was added 1-2 months ago. (At least on Windows)
Victernus ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 13:55:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this. I'm a gamer and I can't stand them.
slasher821 ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 14:05:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're funny and really cool ( โข _สโข)
Victernus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:07:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I would too if it weren't every single time, you know?
ClammyMantis488 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:55:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it only pops up once when you start it. Doesn't really after that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but there's only, like, four of them. Over and over and over again. My brain just filters them out, I don't even notice them anymore.
Tuas1996 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:21:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure theres hundreds of startup messages considering theyre all attributed to different people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by "attributed"? Do you mean like "this message is a tribute to this backer" or do you mean "this guy gets so see the same messages over and over and over again".
First option makes more sense but it doesn't explain that goddamn V8 message I see like 85% of the time.
Tuas1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me atleast, every message has a small "sent to us by @username" dunno where they get sent them but it seems to either be backers as you said or just random tweets they get, really have no idea, point is they dont spend any energy whatsoever on making them up so they have a ton of them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I've ever seen a single one of those. Maybe it can be turned in the options or something...
HeKis4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fellowkids
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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youRFate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way too long.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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youRFate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes a few seconds for me, and it's installed on a 960 evo NVMe drive. It's way slower than teamspeak or mumble.
ThePrplPplEater ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:08:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the fucking r/fellowkids material? I wish I could not have that shit.
LeonimuZ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's people around the same age as people Using discord that are developing Discord. So it's not so much fellow kids since they are the kids In here as well.
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but boy even if I'm a gamer I don't want "gamerz" splattered over all of my tools.
LeonimuZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that case use Slack. You might not find your friends there though.
HeKis4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, that's the point... That and the fact that being on 5+ servers at the same time is a pain with Slack. But aside these issues I wouldn't mind switching at all.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:46:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try Slack.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:12:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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groundzr0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any is there a way to rename or add notes to a room's name? I'm tired of having a list of 20 different servers and having to look through each one to remember who is a part of which.
SKU11TR0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with the friend request system?
sur_surly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once Discord needs to make money, it'll fall down the path of Skype. Right now it's in the "lure users in" phase.
vagabond_dilldo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sincerely hope not. I've uninstalled Mumble, Teamspeak, and Skype for Discord.
TimmyP7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're making money off of Discord Nitro as of now.
corfish77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tell them that it's primarily used for gaming communities but it's just as viable for setting up channels for friends/families as it is for gaming.
LittleBigAxel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im pretty sure anyone can get over those.
BretHartsSpandex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try Mumble. I heard it's pretty good. There's also voodoo or something, idk much about it but anything is better than Skype
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem I have is that i can't host my server
chirmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is - Slack, which came out first and from which Discord clearly stole its design. Donโt get me wrong - I use both. But it kind of grosses me out how much Discord looks like Slack.
Anywho, give Slack a chance.
Superfan234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are the benefits of Discord? I found it really tedious to use honesty...
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is still pretty reliable for me then again I use the mobile version.
jonirabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't like Skype but my siblings and some of my friends do. It's really what others that you talk to choose to use.
Actually if my siblings didn't use it, I wouldn't use it either. I mostly used google chat, but my friends stopped using that. Seems like everyone just uses text mostly nowadays, and twitter, instragram, snapchat etc.
argv_minus_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Signal?
Ranzera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could have them use the Discord plugin for Pidgin (an open source replacement for AIM). Pidgin is pretty good and has plugins for most IM protocols.
xXmindless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tell them to figure it out. It's fucking easier to set up than Skype.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well Telegram is a good alternative if you're looking for something that isn't IRC or Slack, but also isn't Discord. Recently, they've added some neat features that Discord has like bots and calls.
Aema ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the things I like about Discord. I prefer to keep my gaming activity isolated from the rest of my life.
Guywithbrokenarms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try team Speak? I haven't used it in years but I remember it was good.
juroden ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 13:46:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yes but also no. Discord won't even let you send files that aren't bigger than a picture basically. Can't really send songs to my friends with it which kinda sucks
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:21:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I speak for myself in this, but I really don't have that many issues with Skype. File transfer goes fine, my messages are almost always synced correctly, video chat works fine, I use it with my friends back home every day. I do hate the voice ads that play on browser when I'm only messaging, but im usually on video chat thankfully. It's the only semi-stable video chat software that I've found to use on both mobile and PC. I am open to alternatives.
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:02:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily services like mediafire and google drive are perfect for your needs
Sturdge666 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mega โค๏ธ
IcarusBen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:55 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mega is best. Because it downloads in the webpage as opposed to downloading in the downloader, I never deal with dropped downloads.
AsinoEsel ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:02:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Default data cap is 8MB, but 50MB if you pay 5$ per month for Discord Nitro.
SkellySkeletor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:00:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the limit is really low for 2017. Can barely send a high res picture.
TnelisPotencia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can post YouTube links or spotify links in the chat.... Better than nothing I guess
omarfw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:36:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google drive is a good supplement to that. No IM is going to have fantastic file transfer abilities.
Zawaken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you can pay $5 a month for it and be able to send 50MB files, AND support the developers. But you get almost nothing else than gif avatar, and the ability to send bigger files
LuminescentMoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:10 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype transfers files directly P2P which takes years. Discord rehosts whatever you upload on their CDN for free. You see such a low cap because paying for a CDN is not free.
AtomicFlx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is sending files from one computer to another so damn hard? Its never been easy. I still use sneakernet for almost all my transfers. It shouldn't be this hard.
diamondburned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try OGG Vorbis @64kbps (FYI this is what Discord uses for voice codec as it's light and has excellent quality)
Unipro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send.Firefox.com
NoobDeGuerra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:06:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well , if you are planning to send really big files just use Mega or Mediafire they are all free...
William_UK ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:53:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it have video chat? If so, is it any good? (serious question)
ducksdogs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're adding it
Whoa_Bundy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:16:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm confused about...everyone is basically comparing apples to oranges. Skype is primarily for video chat and Discord is IM as far as I know.
Pm_me_any_dragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
discord is actually rolling out video chat for users atm. Not that many ppl yet though.
William_UK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, well then it's no good to me as I only ever need the video function.
Pm_me_any_dragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
discord is actually rolling out video chat for users atm. Not that many ppl yet though.
Jofzar_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
40% of all users, nitro users, and ptb users.
If you to try it you can download ptb
Stiltzkinn ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know people that use Skype for group video calls and i am also confused why people suggest Discord. For IM i can't see Discord surpassing Whatsap, Facebook Messenger or Telegram.
ODDBALL1011 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For one to one IM , maybe not, but for group chat I would say it is better, as you can have a group of people on the server and then have lots of different channels for different topics (our one has a channel for pretty much every hobby we have and then a general channel for everyday conversation)
PM-ME-YOUR-STRUGGLES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are going to release a video call feature very soon. Currently they're doing beta tests with randomly selected people.
ODDBALL1011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are introducing video chat, currently just voice but video is probably at most half a year away. With how good voice is, I would be surprised if video chat was bad. It is probably the best application for many people messaging a group chat with as you can have different chats for different topics.
Nightslash360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're implementing video chat soon, it's currently being tested with a bit under 50% of users.
greekman100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it does. It's slowly being rolled out but i was lucky enough to be chosen for the first 10%. It works perfectly. I haven't had a single issue with it as opposed to Skype. The call quality is great and the calls haven't been dropped a single time. Skype's days are numbered.
Onthegokindadude ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:35:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
All of my friends online switched to Discord for all our gaming comms. It's free which makes it even better but I would easily pay $ for it now. It's been fantastic.
yenwood ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 13:43:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can get discord nitro
JealotGaming ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:22:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
50$/year for the features it offers is not worth it, IMO.
yenwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea but he said he would easily pay money for discord
Onthegokindadude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference between the two?
AsinoEsel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:03:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A higher data cap for transmitting files (50MB instead of just 8), and some other stuff like an animated avatar and things like that.
jdovew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally could not care less.
AsinoEsel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Having Discord Nitro is more of a status symbol than a practical upgrade for most people.
yenwood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nitro is basically a pro account. And all it really lets you do now is upload a gif as an avatar, raises the file size limit, and lets you use server emoji on any server
Onthegokindadude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The file size limit is pretty cool. The other stuff I couldn't care less about.
Abraman1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can use any emote on any server, and you can have gifs as profile pics
chupacabraiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MMM I love having all the emotes I could ever want.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its free because it got ridiculous amounts of startup capitol
fakemakers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's free because it really has to be.
While there are a few people who might consider paying for a communications platform they're far from the majority. If you want to create a communications platform you need a lot of people to get on board and use it.
The only thing that keeps me from completely dropping Skype for Discord is that I have people on Skype who aren't on Discord. Make people have to pay (even if it's a nominal sum) and this problem is going to be huge.
MackTheHunter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for it's god awful CPU usage with webcams. Discord can hog upwards of 50% of my 2500k with webcams on, while Skype tends to only use about 30% tops. I remember reading somewhere that Skype uses Windows' built in webcam API which is why it's so much more efficient than discord.
ForceBlade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anythings better than their p2p cancer. Which is why I installed Teamspeak on my vps in the city. All my mates get low latency Comms when we're playing games, and we use the file browser for sharing shows and music/other shit; too. And god the permissions system is strong as all hell. Like applying ACLs.
Made a script that links all the channel folders to one so it's all one big folder of shit; and another script to fetch the best memes from subreddits in a condor file daily to rotate on our ts3's server image every 5 minutes. Gives us sone good laughs
_Gunga_Din_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On Desktop, Discord is great.
On mobile, itโs actually kind of shit. :/
I think Discord needs to bring over features thatโs other IM apps have had for a long time. For example, the ability to โreplyโ to a specific message where that message will be quoted above yours. Also the DM/friends page is a bit of a mess.
Also, overall, they should develop a mini windowed version where a specific channel can pop out of the main window.
On mobile, it takes way too long to start up. And then every time you switch to a different app and back, it has to reload all over again. Then to add insult to injury, every time the app loads, it takes you to your friends page. Every. Time. Itโs infuriating.
I love what Discord has done. But Iโd really like to see some really basic refinements before saying theyโve steamrolled Skype.
ContextualData ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when does discord have video?
NoobDeGuerra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are talking about sharing your screen then Discord is implementing this feature
ContextualData ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean video chat. You know, the main feature of skype.
Arbiter707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they're implementing video chat too.
Jofzar_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's out for 40% of people, if you want to force activate, you can buy nitro or download there public test build (ptb) from their website
Sardad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was fine back in the day. And one day Discord will become just like Skype: when it has a big enough user base, it'll get scooped up and pushed down your throat.
We'll complain on Reddit and someone will say, "Meh, I'm glad I don't get into Discord, that's why I use xxx."
beefmchuge1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every way except lag. I have several friends that have moved out to the west coast. We cant use discord because the lag makes it unusable. One workaround was to set the region to central and then we all got lag, just less. This might be because we setup our own channel and are not paying for some service idk. Skype has never been laggy so we just keep using that if we are playing. For everything else I use discord now. Definitely use discord if i'm playing with friends that still live on the east coast.
vanzzx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you do video calls over discord?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is really great, but sadly it won't replace all my communication needs. Discord is aimed more towards gaming service and it doesn't have videochat yet. I mostly use Skype to video chatting with family members.
JustRickolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're working on video calls though, it's currently being tested for about 50% of the users and it should be out for everyone within the next few months.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:56 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware that they are working on video calls, but it feels kinda wrong to try to get my parents and people who don't really game to use it. I personally see Discord as service to replace teamspeak and skype gaming sessions, but i can't see it being used as app to communicate with friends / family who don't game.
Administrator_Shard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord can chug dick until they start supporting mobile.
Master_Penetrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have one problem that seems to be on discord side and not the hardware: bought a 30โฌ webcam to fuck around with friends and all it does is flicker between green and the actual image. I found that other people has this problem too
Gadaeus1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this overwhelming sentiment. I've been using discord for about a year and it still confuses the hell out of me. I have no idea where the notifications are comming from or what some of the blips mean. I'm constantly getting confused on whether people are talking to me directly or just posting something on some channel that I can't find. I don't understand how channels work outside of the very basics. The GUI is very confusing to me and I'd much rather it be text based because I don't know what half the buttons do.
Both skype and vent where very intuitive to me. Its weird that discord isn't. shrug w/e brains process information differently.
LG03 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:13:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is not better, they harvest and sell the fuck out of your information and they have access to a lot of your info. I refuse to use it, I'll just stick to my jabber tyvm.
OEMcatballs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you source that?
NoobDeGuerra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
Slayer_Of_Anubis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porque no los dos?
AWolfNamedCat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:23:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to tell you I don't really like Discord. I don't find the VoIP to be any better than similar apps. Less latency than Skype for sure, but not really any better than say mumble or TS. File sharing is limited and using another service just to send files is cumbersome. I don't really understand all the hype for it. Is it just because it's the newest and it's going to be dropped the second something else pops up like what happened with mumble?
Gazorpazorp723 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried discord but it was way worse than Skype and would keep cutting out.
Treyzania ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the desktop app uses a hundred times as much memory as it should and you can't host your own servers.
ecky--ptang-zooboing ยท 1450 points ยท Posted at 10:55:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is such cancer. How this ever got popular is beyond my grasp. There are so much cleaner IM alternatives.
Redtuzk ยท 2259 points ยท Posted at 11:10:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was a really good piece of software back in the day, when it first came out.
It slowly spiralled into the bloatware world, particularly when Microsoft bought it.
[deleted] ยท 616 points ยท Posted at 11:23:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is truly sad how bad skype has gotten over the years. It use to be so much more clean and functional with my major complaint back then being the awful file transfer speeds.
But now it is a mess if messages even sync right, calls only ringing on one device but not the other, and a ton of the bloat with "Skype sent you a card" and all that other bs. Heck if it wasn't for much of my relatives who can't move on past it I would have completely stop using it years ago.
Hell there was a time where one of ChromeOS's biggest issue was not having Skype and by the time Skype rolled in you can use it from browser very few cared.
TheTeaSpoon ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 11:59:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I turned on my phone from 2012 (Galaxy S III) recently to dig through some photos (evidence for insurance company). My phone started notifying me of every single skype message I received since...
I should clarify that Skype was notifying me randomly (it would notify of message from 2015 and then some from 2013 etc) about every message. Separately, as it was syncing up. Had to uninstall it during my dig through the files after ten minutes because it became unbearable. Gmail, youtube, facebook etc just all gave me all one ring each with one notification saying "yo shit happened while you were gone". But skype was like my mom or a dog, happy that I came back.
Yoyoeat ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:35:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have 19,000+ Skype notifications on my old iPod, so much it stopped counting. Iโm scared of what would happen if I opened it...
ScienceMarc ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:21:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do it for science
ryburger77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:33 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BILL, BILL, BILL
ThePrplPplEater ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:09:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, my phone did that for YouTube, messanger, etc. Sat for over an hour just vibrating.
ja534 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:18:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why before putting your old phone in storage you activate plane mode so it doesn't vibrate like a Hitachi magic wand when you boot it up because you forgot to copy some folder full of nudes 2 years ago
dahakaDAHK ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:28:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you are already looking for nudes a vibrating device might be useful...
InRealityItWasntMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you should use that vibration ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Xygen8 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:35:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using skype for like a decade and a week or two ago it tried to teach me how to type emoticons.
/r/fellowkids
wobuxihuanbaichi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an abomination.
xxfay6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom left her phone off for a week (I don't remember exactly why, maybe it wiped itself). After we turned it on and it pulled her accounts, it kept ringing for 2 hours.
65rytg ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:07:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was such a pain in the ass to join group calls that were in session, one of the main functions of the actual software.
wobuxihuanbaichi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:10:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I depend on Skype for my work, I can't WAIT until another app becomes popular and fistfucks Skype. France should reintroduce the guillotine to behead whoever decided to let Skype become what it is now.
PostalFury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is getting there. Video chat has rolled out to a certain number of users for testing, and the audio quality is superb.
cosmicosmo4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait are you talking about the same thing as "Skype for business" (formerly Lync)? It seems fine to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
< Heck if it wasn't for much of my relatives who can't move on past it I would have completely stop using it years ago.
I feel like this is turning into a legitimate marketing tactic. It's the only reason i have facebook still. They latch onto all the non tech-savvy and let them drag down all the people who know better, we're outnumbered anyway.
evildustmite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:41:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why not just use facebook messenger? does almost the same thing
addrthrowaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fbm is cancer for other reasons.
evildustmite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:39 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, especially the android app
commit_bat ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 11:27:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the circle of life. We all only fully switched over to Skype when MSN turned to shit.
magistrate101 ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 12:23:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss msn :(
SnarkLobster ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:27:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a web developer (contractor) for MSN 2006-2014. It was such an awesome place to work, great people, fantastic offices... Then Microsoft decided to make cuts to staffing. In a few months it went to hell. The 200 employees scattered out of state. MSN RIP.
magistrate101 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP
Dascandy ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 12:52:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Want to know the new name for MSN messenger?
Skype for business.
ipmasq ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:09:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's shit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chao77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lync worked way better than Skype for me.
catbot4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Lync/Skype for business at work. Its not that bad I find. Pretty simple to use and allows screen sharing, chat,video calls, conference calls. If you're forced to work in a Microsoft whore office like I am, then it's not .... bad.
christurnbull ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype for business is built of Lync which is built of microsoft communicator. It's lync.exe
Dascandy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype for business replaced Lync, which replaced MS communicator, which is MSN with a corporate sauce.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dascandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you work in a Windows only environment? The mac version is still called Lync because the latest release predates the rename and the Linux version is still called "No".
VampiricPadraig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now Skype for Business is being replaced by Microsoft's answer to Slack, Microsoft Teams
kommie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its MS Teams now....
The_Director ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:02:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ICQ-> MSN -> Facebook -> Whatsapp/Telegram
KrippleStix ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:24:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I wish my friends used telegram. Literally the only people I've met in person that know what the app is are all furries. I really want to convert all my friends to use it.
commit_bat ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 13:28:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy, just turn them all into furries!
KrippleStix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh convincing adults to become degenerate members of society ain't too easy these days. Not sure if I would want to, even if I could.
Heil_Gaben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
easier to identify them for later on
Stiltzkinn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:33:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only friend on Telegram is IFFFT bot.
Budiltwo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:25:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
furry checking in, Telegram is ours!
TotalHexagon5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they share yiffing videos with it?
KrippleStix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it as an easy way to contact friends from the city I used to live since they primarily use it. There are group chats for literally everything, so yeah its safe to say that people do.
Unipro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't.. Use signal instead.. Telegram uses a home cooked encryption algorithm, something that is really hard to get right.. As in read, needs peer reviews for years and mathematical proofs to get right.
Please: https://signal.org/
KrippleStix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, my entire friend group uses facebook messenger. Security isn't really something I care too much about for a messaging app, I just like the layout, usability, and stickers that telegram has. And its less glitchy than messenger.
Unipro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:38 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the motivation behind the choice, but I would still prefer the good security of signal. It has actually also recently begon introducing the kind of features that makes it a competitor to Telegram in regards to stickers and such.
Plus you won't have to move over when/if Telegram turns out to be horribly insecure.
Kiinako_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only people I know who use Telegram are small time weed dealers
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:12:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-> Snapchat, as the kids would do
Stoner95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's telegram and what pros/cons does it have over WhatsApp which I'm currently using
KillerAlfa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:55:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently it's more secure. Everything is encrypted with custom protocol and they claim that they haven't given encryption keys to FBI yet despite their requests.
jonirabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it you missed AIM and gchat in there.
I liked AIM, that was a good one. I think outside of Facebook though, all of these things just have a short run. Even though they all pretty much just do the same thing, it's just what is popular and it's usually young people picking something different.
PrinceMachiavelli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't telegram have some security issues - I thought signal was better.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only a matter of time before it happens to Discord.
commit_bat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning to shit? Or becoming the cool new thing?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning to shit. It's already the cool new thing.
Nick-Tr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may be misremembering, but didn't MSN just get merged with Skype and that's why people moved to Skype?
Bastinenz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:08:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype became very popular long before Microsoft bought them, so I think you are misremembering.
commit_bat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That merger happened way way later
LiveLM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MSN was so much better than Skype.
I miss it too.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:40:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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diamondburned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minecraft, games and apps all went straight to hell
david0990 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:11:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that has to do with realizing the commercial space had a lot of competition and focus shifted almost completely towards the enterprise version. Hospitals, banks, etc use Skype. So while we rightfully shit on it, people in your hospital are likely using it to communicate with their coworkers.
mccalli ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:36:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and they hate that version too. I use it - it's awful. Multisecond hangs, bizarre cut'n'paste...it's awful.
david0990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you have no choice until someone makes the call to switch.
til_you_rock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype and Skype for Business are entirely different. Although you can federate and IM into public Skype if you want to.
_cortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently had to use Skype for business because my tax consulant was using it. It's terrifying how they can manage to charge money for a garbage product like that... Couldn't join via desktop Skype, had to install some shady browser plugin and then both the host and I had to play around with the microphone/headphone settings and re-join a couple times before it was working for both of us. Then, it dropped one of us for a couple seconds 4-5 times on a 45min call... I'll be glad once it finally dies.
Probably_Important ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hospital I worked at used IRC lol..
Dcoil1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:43:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this the life cycle for every Windows program?
Edit: Linux is life.
caotic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:59:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may want to try Linux. This kind of crap is rare and far apart. When it happened that particular software gets doom into abandonment by their user (faster than in windows, cant speak for mac)
Dcoil1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:00:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mah man!
Edit: downvotes? Seriously?Edit 2: disregard edit 1.
caotic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The answer is, don't think about it. People get threatened with ideas that fall outside their comfort zone and will go to ridiculous lengths to defend their views before challenging themselves to change in any significant way. Don't take it personally, don't even trip.
ChunkyLaFunga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus it can be a big timesaver when what you want isn't even available for Linux.
thetarget3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they don't fuck up Minecraft now
bliblio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already happening :/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M$ bought it and changed the underlying protocol. Skype is basically a skin of Windows Live Messenger nowadays.
kenman884 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is, it works great at my work. Integrates seamlessly with Outlook, great way to have meetings with offsite personnel, it's exceptionally functional.
At home though, discord all the way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all it is now is a metadata collector for Microsoft, as is LinkedIn...
vezokpiraka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was fucking amazing, because it connected the two computers in a call or used one to host a conference call, therefore not recording your call. Now they don't do that and the closest replacement is Discord which gives everything to every one who's asking.
I wish there was a good quality service that still protected your conversations.
Ellimis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, skype was the FIRST piece of software to do what skype does back in the day. It was not really good. It was horribly bloated back then and used users as supernodes to route calls. It has always been pretty atrocious (seriously, the interface on every device is godawful obtuse), but when it was literally the only game in town, it was pretty damn cool.
PA610Sam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype for Business is still fantastic. On the consumer end is a different story...
BaggaTroubleGG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it was closed source shit that had really abusive reverse engineering prevention policies. They defended their walled garden with an iron fist.
yourpasswordissex420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:41:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will be unpopular, but Skype doesn't have to be the best, it just has to be good enough that people won't bother installing a new system. Im in my late 20s and use I'm services based on service. Fbook messenger for family group chats, snapchat for gf because nudes, and Skype for gaming with friends since we all already have it installed. Skype is just fine and will remain dominant for a long time coming
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 253 points ยท Posted at 11:11:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because until Discord came around, Skype was the easiest IM available. You had things like Mumble and Teamspeak, but those were more "premium" and a LOT more complicated than Skype.
Skype had monopoly, that's why it never really evolved.
godofallcows ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 14:03:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I hated when I'd join a group of randos on a game and they ask me to get on Skype.
Rage_quitter_98 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:21:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and then you have a nice day and feel like it, join the conversation and get your ears destroyed with a included headache
Phoojoeniam ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:17:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JOEL GET ON SKYPE!
na7noo7reborn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:26:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when people kept messaging Joel on Skype because for some reason, people like to search up their senpai on Skype and spam them with messages.
...if you're talking about Joel from Vinesauce.
Phoojoeniam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:38:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Twitch chat meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/joel-skype
I mainly know it from Bob Ross on Twitch.
filij ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:51:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL it still happens just with discord. every fucking game I get into and some kid say "hey you got discord"?. Just play the damn game with the built in audio that works fine
godofallcows ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:03:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rainbow 6 this happen to me quite a bit. No, I don't want to listen to you twice as much while you still use in game VOIP, dude.
kamon405 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gamers on skype?? that's blasphemy.
MCA2142 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:13:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not mumble or teamspeak, but yahoo messenger and MSN messenger.
When skype came out, it was competing again the shit show that was yahoo and MSN suite of crap apps.
They even marketed skype as the cure for these garbage apps. My friends and I jumped on skype because it was made by the original people that made kazaa, and we thought that was bad ass. We were like 19.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of my friends actually switched over to the Curse app. It was basically Skype 2.0 and honestly we very rarely had any problems with it. Servers were almost never down, call quality was good enough, chat rooms were easily customizable, and if you played WoW you could install your add-ons really easily - all of this for absolutely free. You could subscribe to curse for a few perks that really only applied to people that played WoW.
Then Twitch bought it. At first I was skeptical. They made a few nice improvements. Then they started integrating it with their website. Now it's starting to bloat up, you start basically on their home screen for the website, the app doesn't look near as good as it used to and I'm afraid they are going down the Skype road by adding tons of unnecessary bullshit to something that was already pretty damn good in the first place. It's a damn shame.
ManicLord ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of you cunts are talking about IM and all I use Skype for is video calling.
At least name alternatives, dammit!
CashCop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still prefer TS3 over discord. I would say discord is overrated, but it's free so I get it.
InfSan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've generally found that TS3 is better for voice-focused chat, but discord is more useful for text/image chat. Fortunately my friends and I are of a similar mindset that a lightweight voice only system is the way to go for online games.
CashCop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah agreed, TS3 lacks in that department but I consider it a pro as well. Those chats are usually filled with rubbish anyways.
Senryakku ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:42:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real answer was that skype was a better MSN. I've been using skype since I'm what... 14? That was in 2006. Of course now it's over because discord.
Viperspider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Member MSN?
Jpxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still remember using Skype for almost everything. The good old days of year 8 calling friends to join your minecraft server. good memories, bad software.
voiceoftheflame ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 11:03:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf I used it for a long time and it used to be much more reliable than it is now (it's totally unusable most of the time these days) and I think a lot of people just didn't know about the alternatives.
Minerex ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 11:05:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
such as? genuine question.
Edit: Discord. Discord. Slack. Discord.
Pulstar232 ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 11:07:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord.
sibraa6 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 11:19:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord.
JohnnyMrNinja ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 11:37:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dis cord.
SilentSkillHD ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 11:42:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
discord
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:26:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dIsCoRd
Gryvern ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord?
Metrocop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is run by shady people
fvcvxdxfc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes please sell all my data to the chinese
excalibur_zd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:41:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord doesn't have video though.
chimaeraUndying ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 12:43:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does now! In public beta, at least.
excalibur_zd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:45:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know that, that's good to hear.
Savergn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:07:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier this month, they rolled it out for 40% of the userbase, plus, someone that does have it can still videochat/screenshare with someone that doesn't if they initiate a call. I tested it with a friend a bit ago.
Cal1gula ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:44:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hangouts.
Which is a decent piece of software that Google seems to be trying to kill with Duo/Allo (not decent pieces of software).
redshores ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:46:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
constantino1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hate hangouts since they integrated it as a chrome add-in.
Lee1138 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:43:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will soon, they are piloting Video now.
culturedrobot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:45:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does, but it's only available to a limited number of users at the moment.
Questionable_Sources ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:45:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
video chat and screensharing is being rolled out last i saw an update they were at 40% of users :)
ElectroJo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:45:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are currently rolling out video.
https://blog.discordapp.com/were-testing-video-chat-and-screen-share-with-5-of-players-today-c8ddb108ca31
All my friends and myself have the ability to share video (and screen share). The video quality is pretty good with very little latency.
Although that's only on the desktop, mobile discord doesn't have video yet.
nashtynash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:47:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is primarily what I use Skype for. I didn't realize so many people use Skype as an IM thing. I guess there's Google Hangouts/duo? Most of the others just have voice, and I'm not sure how long it'll take for discord to roll out video chat/screenshare
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has, I have been using it for a month. Maybe you are running a older build? Or I have beta features enabled.
nashtynash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:09:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's only rolled out to like 10% right now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aha I'm sorry to hear that. Honestly videosharing on discord is the best I've used so far, so easy to switch from webcam to desktop. You can share the whole screen or just some windows. Problem is though, you can only share video with one other person, not like in Skype where you could all share video at the same time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aha I'm sorry to hear that. Honestly videosharing on discord is the best I've used so far, so easy to switch from webcam to desktop. You can share the whole screen or just some windows. Problem is though, you can only share video with one other person, not like in Skype where you could all share video at the same time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can share your screen or your webcamera to another person and they can do the same. And the delay between video and audio is really low. Good video quality too
Armored_Violets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But guys, isn't Discord clearly game-oriented? I can't imagine having my parents, for example, who don't play vidya games, using Discord. Am I wrong?
Pulstar232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. They're implementing video chat now. And you make groups to which you invite certain people. So you can just have your friends in one group, family in another.
While it was originally made for games, they seized the opportunity to succeed Skype.
MoreThanTom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:32:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
Pulstar232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taking 4 months to develop dividers for channels isn't a mark against them. It probably wasn't needed for what it was originally intended to do, and since they expanded, they expanded their QoL stuff.
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 11:12:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord.
That's about it.
Sure, you have TS and Mumble, but those are primarily voice chat. Up until Discord Skype was pretty much the only thing.
DeviantShark ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 11:41:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is very different to skype on a technical level. At least to skype in it's original implementation.
ReubenXXL ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:20:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curse was pretty popular.
swineflu2552 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and I were primarily Curse users until the twitch integration started. Then we all jumped to Discord. I still don't like the text channels being separate from the voice channels though.
CrystalProgrammer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do people just forget about MSN messanger? It was pretty good and used by everyone, till skype came.
PA610Sam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the simple days where everyone used MSN Messenger for business/inter-company communications and AIM for personal use.
StickyPuddleofGoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One step before Skype was Ventrillo and Team Speak! In 2006 everyone used one of these two
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about riot?
crunchy_nut_butter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about a video chat alternative ?
bloodstainer ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 11:34:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Mumble and Discord wasn't a thing when Skype was coming around, TS wasn't free either.
Toakan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:21:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Er, Skype was two years old when Mumble was first released so it wasn't that much difference.
As for TS, you had other alternatives such as XFire, RGR Wilco, I think MSN also had voice calling at that time.
Plenty of options for communication.
kds15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I've had a lot of XFire nostalgia recently. Strange to think that most people don't know of it anymore.
Toakan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:01:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's when you go back and check out your XFire profile and see what you used to play that the nostalgia will hit harder.
kds15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know you could do this. I know what im doing today.
Toakan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:47:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You won't be able to unfortunately, they shut down Xfire back in 2015.
bloodstainer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but, nobody was using Mumble as widely at that time, Mumble didn't boom until late 2000's
it did, but it was limited to like, 2 or 3 people only IIRC, and it was owrse than skype.
And Skype was the best and easiest one of them at the time. Never heard of xfire or rgr. But vent and TS was used, but not for casual talk while gaming with just a few friends.
half_dead_all_squid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ventrilo? Was that free?
bloodstainer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:17:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ventrilo and TS was basically the same thing, they both required servers, they weren't VOIP. Skype ws the best at the time because it was super early and it was free. And more stable than MSN, Vent and TS was great because they allowed larger groups of people to talk. Like when raiding in EQ or Wow
MoreThanTom ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:30:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
PA610Sam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even use the program for more than a day? The permissions system is dummy-proof, accessible by a right-click and there are infinite options with the fact that they allow user-installed plugins/widgets/bots that literally do things for you on their own. Also, I suggest making sure your channel link is set to not expire or just add your friends to the list of perma members by clicking the settings gear next to channel and adding their names. 2 steps.
If ya'll still have issues then it is likely user-error.......
MoreThanTom ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:D yes I have used it for a year and I fully understand how to use the permissions system. Certainly it is powerful, however it doesnt even let you inherit permissions from previous tiers, and the tile has to be the highest in the list, and the color too.
Did you even use the program for more than a day?
PA610Sam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Have been a moderator on a number of Discord channels for the past 2 years and have also passed permissions down to lower tier members numerous times.
ReznoRMichael ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 11:27:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telegram. https://telegram.org/faq
KoloHickory ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:17:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you were being a smart ass. Like, "send a telegram instead of using skype."
ReznoRMichael ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:22:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah! Right before posting I sensed a small disturbance in the Force which told me something similar could happen, if I didn't share that link.
KoloHickory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol i clicked on your link too. I kept looking around thinking it was satirical like that download more ram site.
upset_platypous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought telegram was a smartphone app only.
Jijonbreaker ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 11:07:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord.
MoreThanTom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
Davaca55 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:09:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord
MoreThanTom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:32:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I do use discord, but I have to say there are many programs I'd rather use if my friends did. discord is a buggy mess, and half of the time my friends cant evenjoni calls, or cant hear anyone or cant be heard. it has far too few options and the permissions system is an absolute mess. I mean come on - they took 4 months developing named dividers for the channels
auralgasm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What bugs do you experience on Discord? It runs flawlessly for me and WAY better than Skype, especially on my phone. Mobile skype is a laggy disaster and you can only see like 3 messages at a time, whereas mobile Discord is perfect, no waiting like 60 seconds for messages to show up, no squished and ugly UI. I never have any issues with Discord VOIP and I've only used the person-to-person calls a few times but those worked fine too. Usually if someone has issues being heard it's something wrong with their junk and not the client.
MoreThanTom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With many servers I am in, people have connection issues to the voice chats all the time. They stop being able to talk or hear anything at random intervals. sometimes they need to leave and rejoin, sometimes they need to restart the computer. I get that this probably doesnt happen to everyone but it seems nearly radom who it does happen to
The main thing is that at the moment (for the last month or so) discord has had a bug where it randomly starts using all bandwidth so using the internet at all becomes impossible. Me and 4 of my friends have experienced this now.
samon53 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:01:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jitsi!
danihammer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:11:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slack!
Sawgon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:21:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We actually use Slack for work. It's a great platform for an office to have and use.
For people who don't know, Slack is basically Discord but with another theme. I think Discord was inspired by Slack. Thing about Discord is you have voice chat channels which don't exist in Slack as far as I know. Unless you pay premium.
castro1987 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:34:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slack is definitely more work focused. And leans towards software developers and technical.
nlofe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:28:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Talking to people on slack for anything except professional stuff seems weird.
danihammer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:52:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and a collegue tried convincing people to switch yet we still use skype for bussiness. Someday tho ...
chunyukuo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gets worse. I work for a company that officially switched to Slack but some of our more hidebound teammates are sticking with Skype, so now we have to use both.
anlumo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord doesnโt do as much markdown formatting, which is really annoying for programmer discussions. On Slack, you have a distinct account for every organization, meaning that I have seven different accounts with different passwords with them right now. Logging into a new client in all of them is a real chore.
Superpickle18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
slack and discord are quite different in the backend if I recall. The frontend, they're both chromium based.
SRTroN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My work is heavily invested into Slack and I use Discord personally. Both are very similar and great for their purposes.
lsiunl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it really depended on your situation back then. There were programs like Teamspeak, Ventrilo, Mumble, Raidcall, and a couple others, particularly for games to have voice com. Skype was mainly used for casual people or for business calls and meetings, which people still do today.
Most people who play games just use Discord now though since itโs much more friendly with its user interface and doesnโt take up that much power, whereas Skype can mess up and end up taking a lot of your performance while playing games.
Ko0osy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord, Slack, etc.
goodhasgone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facetime on iOS
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just voip or video? VOIP you have teamspeak, mumble and vent to name a few.
As far as IM I was a Trillian guy back in the day.
newsuperyoshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Matrix IM protocol via the Riot client: free, federated, and gratis.
voiceoftheflame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf discord is fairly knew, It was in 2015 and skype was 2003, discord is better but hasn't competed for most of skypes lifetime.
tired_commuter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:59:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hip chat. I thought most offices used it?
aa93 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:16:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slack is taking over now
david0990 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:13:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is probably the best out right now and they are working on adding video calls.
Metrocop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, me and my friend switched over to Skype since Discord suddenly stopped working for us (one of us, or both, wouldn't hear the other and it would require half an hour of restarting discord, resetting the call and othersuch to repair). Curious thing is, it only happens in our calsl, I can talk to people in general voice chats just fine.
voiceoftheflame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it's still early access, especially the devote calls. Hopefully that gets ironed out with patches.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 12:51:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Aquagoat ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:32:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and I lovingly refer to Skype as "the 8 billion dollar piece of shit."
flubbdubb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we can rebuild it
Aquagoat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:50:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slower, bloatier, more ads.
diamondburned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now takes up 512MB of your drive and if you uninstall it you lose Internet connection!
commandergen ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 12:04:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord all the way baby!
jdovew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't call phones on Discord...
commandergen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you can the phone just has to have the discord app lol. Iโm sure this feature will come though eventually. But now with screen share and video chat I have no reason to use Skype.
VacuumViolator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:07:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord sux
Ventrilo for life
commandergen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:03:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! You told a funny.
Combustibles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:11:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only used skype once way way back when it was relatively new. I didn't like it. I uninstalled.
I miss Windows Messenger and the sleekness of it. Heck, I even miss MSN messenger.
Skype is terrible, it's outdated to fuck and it's just..urgh..bullshit.
LuckyHedgehog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:59:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much hate for Skype here. I use Skype for business and it is by far the most reliable video conferencing tool I've used within the last 2 years. Before that it was shit though.
I just switched to a new job that uses several other tools depending on the client and they all have weird quirks and we spend 10 minutes each meeting just trying to get the screen share working properly. No issues with s4b
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:29:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Skype for Business isn't actually Skype. It's Lync with a rebrand. Unlike Skype it also requires at least one dedicated server per organization, which is why the quality is so much higher.
nuocmam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wanted to shut down Skype via Task Manager but couldn't find it. Found Lync though. Yup, that's it. Kill it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KILL IT
27thStreet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:29:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this crowd is pretty obviously gamer-centric. I also use S4B constantly and it is heads and shoulders better than the other UC offerings.
_cortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my small startup we used to use discord for everything. Hands down the best and most reliable voice communication tool in the history of ever, despite it gaming branding. We tried everything under the sun, and nothing beat it ... only downside is it has no screen sharing. Not yet anyway, it's supposed to come out soon and some users already have beta access.
Why they haven't yet released a dedicated business product without the gaming branding is beyond me.
27thStreet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screen sharing and video are essential for business. Also, unified communication functions like presence and IVR are really important. Without that stuff off the shelf they won't even make a dent in Skype's market.
joshistheman3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:27:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know how Skype became popular? It didn't exactly creep up by any standards..
DeviantShark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:40:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype used to have really reliable call functions, related to it's damn well implemented holepunching. Calls being operated on p2p-basis were a problem in combination with natting (read more about that here and if you want to know the technicalities, the RFC3489)
So yeah. I guess that's the reason.
PureTryOut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Matrix! Federated and FOSS!
immerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And about to shut down due to lack of funds:
PureTryOut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not shutting down. If they do not get the required funding, they will just downscale. Sure it isn't great, but it won't die because of it. It's a FOSS project after all, the community can pick it up and continue where the original team left.
phphulk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok chappo, name one that works on every OS, every phone, has video/audio/screen share, and it's free.
GlassMeccaNow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was bundled with Kazaa. And was originally by the same authors.
chudthirtyseven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to use trillian, which had msn, skype, icq and aim all in one, and it was amazing. Then everyone started getting arsey about their apis and stopped allowing third parties to connect. So now I just use WhatsApp.
LoneCookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's other IMs that are clean?
Trollzungolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the slowest program in the world at this point.
chaotic_goody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype has 1-button screen sharing with audio which makes streaming games to friends easy with no delay. I love it just for that.
YOLANDILUV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
find me a better videocon on a profesional level such as easy migratable like skype4 business and we talk.
besides cisco UC ofc - which is also awesome
BJJJourney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is integrated with a TON of businesses.
theangryintern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is so bad that MS is even getting rid of Skype For Business
rgname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that it replaced msn messenger!
V0RT3XXX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it a lot because work. It integrates very well with outlook and manage global addresses.
Beals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was a pretty substantial upgrade from Aim at the time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the people I game with use self hosted voip options that use minimal resources, had better quality and better options and we have forever. Then when I started working for companies (often tech companies) and finally finding more PC gamers in the wild that weren't close friends I was happy to get more people to play with andddddddddddddddddddddd they can't work any voip other than Skype and I wanna kill myself.
People actually refused to use other options and talked up Skype like it's some amazing software. "You have skype?????" Eh no thanks.
Personally I don't even use Discord very often. The people who only use Discord aren't people I'm going to game with frequently enough anyway. I think Discord is way better than Skype though.
superawesomepandacat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw so much tits on Skype tho.
sur_surly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's your problem right there. It didn't start as an IM solution. It was a video/audio call solution. It was also the best at it at the time. I could spend many, many hours connected to a friend in Finland. No hiccups, no disconnects, no noise.
Don't use it today, though.
Rxke2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
skype was fantastic functional, cross platform, and just worked. Then it got bought by Microsoft, the rest is history.
aspoels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Discord is awesome, and itโs hard to live without iMessage.
andriask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mobile version is even worse! What a pile of crap.
spikeyfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use it at work. I really don't understand how MS allows one of their big "cloud" apps to be so bad. There are so many stupid little quirks that drive me nuts with it. I really do hate it. MS Communicator, as simple as it was, felt like a much more robust product.
nashpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO the video and voice quality is the worst out of any application I've used. Even Steam's built in is better than Skype, I kmow people who swear by it and it just feels diffocult to use with no redeeming factors. On top of all that it acts like malware.
flatspotting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we all came from MSN Messenger and have old contacts on here and dont really talk to the people other ways. Thats the reason everyone I know uses it.
badluser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is now the IM communication tool en masse for MS Enterprise software. So this is just them forcing into the consumer side of things.
Igotacouple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which alternatives do you prefer? I'm stuck on simply because it's so familiar to me.
maz-o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ICQ FTW
nwL_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What video chat alternatives are there?
DudeDudenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, skype got popular because it was actually easy to use and there wasn't mutch bullshit involved, but then microsoft got their hands on it and now it might as well be the bing search bar
OneBigBug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It had the best voice processing of any option 10 years ago, and it probably still does. Their CODEC is good, their VAD is good. Discord is only finally sort of catching up, and it's still not quite as good. Their video calling is also pretty top notch.
Unfortunately, the rest of the program is garbage and getting worse. But two of their big fundamentals are really strong.
argv_minus_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
XMPP is dead. Tox is perpetually unfinished. Signal only works on phones. Mumble doesn't have a good default client. What the hell do you suggest?
JeffCraig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest thing is that MS is now trying to replace Skype with their shit Teams program.
A year from now, when they force remove Skype and force install Teams, everyone is going to be reminiscing about how Skype actually barely worked and how shit Teams is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
india
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:19 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord MR!
bloodstainer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really back when it was getting the go-to software. All we had was pretty much MSN, and other pay-to-use non-VOIP services. Skype was the best we had around 5 years ago~
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:54:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IRC for chat Mumble for voice.
bloodstainer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mumble wasn't as widely used, and as you pointed out, didn't include video.
FogeltheVogel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same reason windows is popular. It's default.
norman_6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was free* phone calls, national and international, and the only game in town in 2006-07
Iroscato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I switched to Discord a year or so back, haven't looked back since.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still use Skype for business related conversations, it's easy to use but lacks features that I think are better on other platforms (like Discord ofc)
MalHeartsNutmeg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:50:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss MSN, there was nothing wrong with it to be honest.
ronintetsuro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:56:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spend all friggin day on skype. Corporate drones love it.
FUSSY_PUCKER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:46:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's what we use at work also. The business version seems less bloated at least.
armstrony ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:56:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used Skype for a while because it did seem to be the best for what my friends and I wanted. Then we discovered Discord and never turned back. Discord is hands down the best
Leif-Erikson94 ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 10:43:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never get these kind of pop-ups. Skype usually updates silently in the background without me noticing.
mukunku ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 11:51:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also doesn't let you turn off updates. It just keeps annoying you until you either give in or the version you have is so far behind that it forces you to update.
I consider that bloatware behavior as well...
RedArmyBushMan ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 12:20:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I hated this. Skype did not work on my old laptop unless I used a n older version. Even with automatic updates turned off it would update itself whenever I restarted or fully shutdown my laptop.
openRUSE ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 13:07:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daddy knows best
nullSword ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:53:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you still need skype for some reason, use skype desktop instead of the windows store app. Its still a piece of junk, but it lets you customize a lot more (such as disabling auto-updates).
mukunku ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:55:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am using the desktop actually. I have the auto updates disabled but every time i launch skype i get this
nullSword ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeh, you can't suppress those but you can hit "Not now"
Its not a perfect solution, but its better than nothing.
mukunku ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But like i said, if you do that enough times eventually skype says "your version is too old, you must update to use skype". I was successfully not updating for 5 months until then :P
RocketMan63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it might not seem like it. But they are working on the back end. Old versions of skype really just wont work on a technical level. Idk if that's what happens for you. But sometimes you have to update because a change has been made and it just really will not work anymore.
FUTURE10S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:56 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until you get the "Your version of Skype is too outdated, you must update to continue using the application."
Asshai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird an app has different behaviors on different computers. On my laptop, it updates (weekly) without authorization. Sometimes it does so mid-conversation. Hate tuat piece of shit of an app.
DirkDiggy99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just installed Windows 10 for the first time on my first PC build. You can turn off app updates by going to the Windows store and clicking on the ". . ." next to your account. Then go to settings and move the App Auto Update tick over to OFF.
Leif-Erikson94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, i don't care that much about Skype anymore, so i just let it update whenever it decides to update..
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I just get a popup window once and I tick the "never show again" box.
Deactivator2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's technically 2 Skypes. There's the regular version that everyone knows and loves, that's installed as a download from their website. Then there's the Win10 store version (which I want to say is the version that's being referenced by OP), which is hooked into the Win10 ecosystem and gets all its updates behind the scenes and such.
Saiyoran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 Skype is a piece of shit.
Regular skype I have never had real issues with in the 6 or 7 years I've had using it extensively (almost every day).
Deactivator2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No joke.
Most Win10 versions of apps are somehow worse than their counterparts
dividezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is correct. powershell the win10 version out and install the downloaded version and you're all set.
I didn't know this when i first upgraded and had 2 skypes.... actually i think if forgot to do this on my work computer. Thanks for reminding me.
LordPadre ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 13:09:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only reason I keep Skype is that some of my best friends refuse to use anything else
TheyComeCrawlingBack ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:40:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Push them to use Discord for an entire week, and they'll switch.
Victolabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you get nitro you can use video calls and screen sharing
venrue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just get discord canary. You don't have to pay for it.
vithiasorrows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're rolling out video calls to everyone fairly soon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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macetero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they are in beta
they will soon roll out to all users for free
Masterflash221 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty crappy considering you don't even need to download discord to use it there's a web version if they just wanna try it.
Barsukas_Tukas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can have video chat in facebook.
bacondev ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you have to install shit on your computer for that? Installing a Facebook program on my computer is the last thing that I'd do to maintain privacy.
Barsukas_Tukas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:43 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I only used that feature on tablet/phone. Don't know how it works on PC.
Doxing_my_friends ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i used to have people like that, then i said i wont talk till they join discord
fragment137 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 14:33:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows as a whole is bloatware now
ich852 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:17:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I sound like a broken record but I just want games on Linux.
fragment137 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:19:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely agree. If I could play all the games I want on Linux I wouldn't have windows at all.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:39:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bobthemime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:49 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if microsoft offers discounts on services to Squeenix or Namco Bandai..
oh wait..
they do.
catbot4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
+80... But it'll probably never happen.
AtlasDM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:15 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the state of VM pass through these days? A couple years ago things looked promising.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:01 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think more and more companies are going to start realizing how big of a market there is for linux gaming and are going to start developing for linux...at least i hope that's what will happen
fragment137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:57 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially with Vulkan, thereโs more reason to!
Zweiffel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:59 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not going to happen overnight though. If most people are waiting for all games to be available on Linux before they make the switch, it won't change anything.
It is a gradual process, which means that as the number of games increases, it will become a viable platform for more users, which is why it's important that we encourage people who don't need every AAA game to give it a try.
It's totally fine if that's not you and Windows is the better gaming platform for you. I just hope that we won't have the dependency on Windows anymore some day.
fragment137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:44 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I played some of the available steam titles on Linux and they seemed to run really well. Itโs certainly viable, but I agree itโll take some time before it really becomes a viable option to adopt Linux as your main platform.
newsuperyoshi ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:49:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The majority of my library is on Linux. Most indie games are available on Linux. Moreover, people not switching is literally the only reason publishers are allowed to get away with not porting. If you, in good faith, want to use Linux, stop talking about how you 'would' switch and actually do it.
EDIT: If you'd like help switching, the manual has gotten a lot friendlier for certain distros (eg, Ubuntu), there's a lot of us who'll go out of our way to help, and there's a few places you can buy technical support from.
El_Hoxo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually considering buying a cheap laptop and installing Ubuntu on it
newsuperyoshi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great to hear. Canonical publishes lists of tested computer models and how well it works, so that'd probably be useful.
PostalFury ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, you don't even have to completely migrate away from Windows. Just dual boot and have Steam installed on Linux as well so it registers as a Linux user. Win-win: Not prohibited from playing certain games not on Linux, and you're still helping the cause for people that are strictly Linux.
ich852 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Ubuntu on my laptop and play my Linux compatible games on it but I'm not gonna cut my gaming PCs balls off by going linux only on it.
Tygrak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, it will probably take a long time before I can completely remove windows, good that dual booting works pretty good.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really my job to help Linux though, I just want to play games and Windows is where the games are. If they were on Linux too I'd be there.
newsuperyoshi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK, I can see you didn't read my comment. A large portion of games are already on Linux, and the only way to get the holdouts to port would be to create more demand for it by switching, which you should be doing anyway if you, in good faith, want to run Linux anyway.
CoffinRehersal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're both making valid points. Maybe a large portion of the games you play are available on Linux, but in my case exactly zero of the games I'm currently playing are available natively on Linux.
I'm annoyed enough with Windows 10 to switch but right now it would be just as much of an annoyance to have to run some of the Windows games/software I use in a VM.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:27 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but I don't play many indie games, I just want to play the games I want to play which aren't on Linux.
I'm not going to bother if the games aren't already on there. I don't care enough to inconvenience myself that much to create demand for an operating system. It's not my job, I just want to play video games. When it's viable I'll do it.
So many people have the same stance, I'm just explaining it.
argv_minus_one ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:59:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elite Dangerous will likely never run on Linux, so good luck with that.
DudeDudenson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still surprised there's no linux distro that emulates windows without loss of performance, you know do everything the same way but just don't add in the bullshit on top of it
parabol443 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is late, but just to give perspective:
Linux
All games
13 / 28 games for me. Sadly, Battlefield 2 BC and Remember Me are not on Linux. Rise of the Tomb Raider has a Linux version, IIRC.
neptune_1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:37:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 tho
DaStalkingBiscuit ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 13:21:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my biggest problem with skype is that it doesn't fucking close when you press the cross, you have to stop the process. it's owned by windows for fucks sake, the same guys that made the fucking cross to begin with
Fire_Gaming_UAV ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 13:23:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to end the process....just right click on the icon in the taskbar and say "Quit Skype"
DaStalkingBiscuit ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 13:34:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
alright, didn't actually know that, it's still pretty stupid to not just let you close the window
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 13:40:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not your fault for not knowing. It's their fault for deliberately deviating from how 99% of Windows supplications work and for no reason other than to make it more challenging for your average user to actually close.
simjanes2k ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:27:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a supplicating application in Win10.
Wutsluvgot2dowitit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, a lot of software just closes the window with the X.
AirMan121 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but Skype didn't even do that. It just minimized it.
jonirabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of software does that too though.
Skype isn't unique in that. I'm with you that I prefer if I X it, it should close down. But stuff like Afterburner, Anti-virus, firewalls, qbittorrent, all of those just either close the window/minimize while still running.
Shimetora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to break the circlejerk, but Discord does this too. As do like, y'know, just about every app of its kind. Can we criticize Skype for what it actually does wrong instead of this bs? Off the top my head, I can't even think of one social software that doesn't minimize to tray.
BaggaTroubleGG ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:11:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have the good grace to fuck off to the tray, it's close=minimize.
ApplePines101 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:59:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well often times you would want it to run in the background so you don't miss any calls or messages.
mrchaotica ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:21:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what system tray icons are for.
LeHiggin ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:52:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also what the minimize button directly next to the X button is for. no need to have 2 minimize buttons!
CitizenPremier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want that, Skype wants me to want that
xxfay6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's talking about the old style desktop app (which works like every desktop chat app ever). The Metro one (the one in this post) can't be closed like that, you do need to close the process.
HideAndSeek_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Twitch Desktop App will only minimize and it will even fkin continue the stream when you "close" it
SkoobyDoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://owlturd.com/post/86649052584/lets-not-the-issue-image-twitter-fb
For RES users.
Gazorpazorp723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thinks that's actually a really useful feature since I hardly ever want to close I just want it out of the way, this allows me to do that really fast.
iothel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt that what minimize is for?
Gazorpazorp723 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really easy to flick my mouse the corner of the screen rather than have to position it on the minimise button.
Supernova141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure almost all messaging services do this? Steam, Discord, even xfire back in the day. Pretty standard.
Saiyoran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf discord does this too. Have to go into the bar at the bottom right and right-click > close Discord.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DaStalkingBiscuit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you dont need to do that with discord?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DaStalkingBiscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's a valid criticism then. though, discord uses pretty few resources when active and little to non when not used, i do see what you mean though
sibraa6 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 11:19:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking GROSS!
brucetwarzen ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 13:14:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet there are people who think i (or we) are overreacting, but if there is one thing that i can't stand, it's when a program does something that i don't want. Like when you fuck around on a sketchy sites and it messes with your programs, i'd rather spend an hour to completely throw windows out and set it up from scratch. But this shit already comes with windows for some reason. At least i never installed it, but keep finding it every now and then.
MK234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ponkers ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 13:07:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your first mistake was getting the store version. Go to skype.com and get the desktop version downloaded instead.
ApplePines101 ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 13:55:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The store version is included in Windows for some stupid reason
Barrel_Trollz ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 14:33:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using default windows 10 apps, lol.
Wutsluvgot2dowitit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:53:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the Netflix app.
mustysoda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nice because Chrome and Firefox cannot display 1080p whole the desktop app can. My only gripe is how you can't easily find your "My List" and recently watched. The only way around is using Edge, which can play 1080p
Superfan234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is another way ?! O_O
TheGhostOfWheatley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't? All that app does is link to the store page for it or something like that (last time I checked).
ApplePines101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:35 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed an included version called "Skype Preview," which is like an even more half-assed modern ui version of Skype.
TheGhostOfWheatley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:53 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think that's the one I was trying to remember.
Ponkers ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 13:55:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't for me. Some manufacturers might include it with their bloat, but a vanilla install doesn't have it by default.
AlanMW1 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:21:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I built my own computer with a fresh copy of windows and it came pre installed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone pointed out, might you all be in US? Cause never seen skype preinstalled in any install of win 10.
EDIT: it does however have it's installer or store link, but it can't do anything by itself it just kind of is there.
Stealthman13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:28:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, everytime I install windows 10 on a machine, it's auto installed.
I'm seriously debating going back to Windows 8 because of this type of thing. Despite my attempts, Cortana and The, WinStore won't ever die. It drives me nuts :(
Ponkers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you both might be right, but I never signed into it so it never bugged me.
ClammyMantis488 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:57:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm very confused why you are being downvoted
TheRealTakazatara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 8.1 with classic shell.
eddieltu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:40:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
desktop version is even worse, last time i used it it had ads
Ponkers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:43:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have anything like that though. I haven't used skype for a while, but I blocked the ads by putting a couple of urls to my hosts file. I think Spybot antibeacon might do the same thing.
LeonimuZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or don't get the Desktop version at all and use web.skype.com. The desktop version seems to be just a wrapper for it anyways.
The-Choo-Choo-Shoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the store version better than the desktop one :/
sesor33 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP uninstalled the website version but left the Windows Store version. How does anyone not release this.
mrchaotica ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:24:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's his second mistake. His first mistake was using Windows to begin with.
Summy_99 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:34:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Microsoft's way of dealing with people not using their products. "Rather than improve our shitty software, we'll just make it impossible to avoid!" Genius.
ChrisDNorris ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 12:50:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was done for me like 6 or 7 years ago.
Tbh, the moment Discord went public, Teamspeak, Mumble, Ventrilo etc... all gone. Especially with non-tech-savvy family and friends, just email them a perma-link, they click it and the browser does everything for them.
SwishDota ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:13:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord completely changed the VOIP game on a level I've yet to see.
I used to have Mumble, TS, Skype, Vent and Curse clients on my computer that I would use regularly for my various gaming groups or depending on what game I was playing. But now? It's Discord or bust. There's no reason not to use Discord in place of the old software except arrogance.
ChrisDNorris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:09:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could see the purpose of say TeamSpeak if you want to have your own server that you can really customize/admin to your own liking and maybe even run from your own home.
But the scripting possibilities of Discord's API are growing so fast that even that could be questioned as to whether it's worth it.
clubby37 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:27 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's mostly true, but TS has some niche plugins that aren't available for Discord.
reichbc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:31 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet.
richardeid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day Discord will be in that little list of yours. I guarantee it.
ChrisDNorris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it will!
Much like Vivaldi will one day be in my list with Opera, Firefox, and Chrome.
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are praising Discord like Skype back in the day and Discord will go down the same path at some point.
neoaoshi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While you are completely right, at this moment in time Discord is amazing and all those other services are not.
Superpickle18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord was pretty bad until recently after they polished the shitty UI.
ChrisDNorris ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:17:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had any issue with it at any point ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Superpickle18 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:19:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I despised the UI, it was all over the place. At least skype was fairly decent UI wise until the new skype, which destroyed that...
DireOnFire ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an opinion.
Superpickle18 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:08:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/CZN6rUf.gif
ResponsibleMinor ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:30:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype needs a replacement. It's pure liquid shit, but its the only thing that does everything i need it for. Discord is getting close.
majoroutage ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:38:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still salty they killed Windows Messenger. For that.
childishtomato ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:00:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord IS the replacement. They're adding screensharing and video in the very near future (already released it to some 10% of users) so Skype is going to be completely phased out.
Victolabs ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:17:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc it's now 40% of users. And you get it instantly if you buy nitro
JoshTheJaunty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
40% now
toddu1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I believe itโs 40% now.
Edit: oh somebody already said this, sorry.
FROXII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currently I use Skype with my friends because it's more convenient (one friend doesn't have a mic so he uses his phone until he's getting a mic, discord won't pick up the mic so we've just resigned to using Skype until he has a mic. Once he has a mic and screensharing is added, I'm probably going to close Skype for good.
AkaruSan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:29 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can discord share audio sound when playing a movie file from screenshare?
RileyGuy1000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:08 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using Discord canary gets you video calling immediately.
Cheerzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:33 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
40% and growing :)
newsuperyoshi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matrix IM protocol has everything Skype has but better, is free, is federated, and is gratis.
twonks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with video chat and what have you theres gonna be no real reason to use skype over discord, other than for people who refuse to switch. discord has (or rather will have when the update is complete, another person mentioned this) everything skype has, and then some. it even has a light theme for if you want to blind yourself like with skype. also the way servers work, its incredibly easy to make new internet friends, rather than having to meet people elsewhere and then add them on skype. i know for a fact my social life has been drastically improved by discord and i mean it when i say some of my best friends ive ever had ive met on that app. could not appreciate that thing more, i can only hope it doesnt go to shit any time soon.
HideAndSeek_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They just completely remade Skype btw. Check out the Beta. I still think it is worse than other alternatives
[deleted] ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 13:54:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this, this is unacceptable. I can't believe I spent my childhood defending Microsoft in the YouTube comment sections, only for them to go and do this shit to the last great accessible operating system.
Fuck Microsoft.
DudeDudenson ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:49:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your fault for defending a big company, no matter how many people want to do good in it it only takes one jerkoff with a baby project or a hard on for "improvements from last quarter" to ruin a product
One of the big causes of all the bullshit these days is the "constant improvement" they teach in business classes, wich force developers to add unnecessary features and change perfectly usefull interfaces just to make bussy
ResponsibleMinor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:35:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be hardcore pro microsoft for ever because i hate and still hate apple products and fanboys like i have a phobia. But im also a long time daily skype user andni absolutely hate the garbage it is.
Weetile ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would definetely switch to Linux if it had more compatibility.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:37:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Weetile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Software. You can't run any Adobe software, half of the most popular Steam games, any Blizzard game, etc.
illuminist_ova ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try with wine. Overwatch is able to run in latest wine staging.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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5thEditionFanboy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:48:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dual boot is still 1/2 Windows 10. Which is to much.
Zawaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about QEMU/KVM? that might work (if you have 2 graphic cards) I really wanted to try it myself, but I want to also be able to play on linux and not just windows (Intel Integrated Graphics + GTX970)
Weetile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but I would love native support, however.
illuminist_ova ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How it gonna be native thing if you don't start using Linux?
Weetile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. It's a paradox.
illuminist_ova ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chicken and egg problem of cause. But increasing number of user also increases chance of getting native support so why not?
Personthingman2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did this guy comment and then delete his account?
diamondburned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Microsoft hired him.
na7noo7reborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather use Windows 7 than 10, but Microsoft...
[deleted] ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 12:45:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AngelDarkened ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:20:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you say it like that, it's interesting that so many Americans are so adamant to defend their right to get thoroughly arsefucked by corporations.
simjanes2k ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:26:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us old guys in America know, we used to have some of those.
Technology just moved faster than law.
LovableContrarian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:25:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's cool you guys have laws on the books, and I've seen Germany go after particular offenders.
But, as a dude who lives in Europe, of course Spyware/intrusive apps exist here.
GlassMeccaNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It reminds me of that county in Florida that passed a law banning Satan within its boundaries.
Why not just pass a law saying that life must be fair, while you're at it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you want a cookie?
GracchiBros ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:22:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I move? Nope, you guys actually don't just let anyone walk in :(
Damn, guess that triggered people for some reason...
Barsukas_Tukas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you are a refugee.
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DoktorAkcel ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 12:46:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
inb4 this thread "Just install linux you peasant"
auron_py ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:36:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be frank, I really really want to make the switch to Linux, it really is so much better, but damn i won't be able to play my games.
I know Wine exist, it works really well, when the game is correctly supported.
The GPU drivers too leave something to be desired.
DoktorAkcel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:38:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dual boot is your friend. Leave Windows for gaming, and use Linux for work.
auron_py ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:42:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried it for a while, after some time I just end up booting the OS that let's me do both.
lilcosco ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:42:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but win10 doesn't have wobbly windows
DSMcGuire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the answer.
Windows is for gaming. Ubuntu is for everything else.
Seriously people, it takes probably one whole minute to switch over operating systems and you don't have to deal with the BS as seen from this thread.
AtomicFlx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except you do. Thats what dual boot means. Not only do you get the BS of windows, you get all the BS of whatever linux you pick. Thats the thing. If I already have windows for gaming, then why use something else for productivity when windows also does productivity.
Fix gaming on linux and I'll switch. Until then I'll stick with windows 7
DSMcGuire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not here to convince you to do anything.
If I don't want a program on Linux it's gone, that's clearly not the case with Windows.
Because you don't deal with MS bullshit, like this thread. Defend all you want you can't escape the Windows BS.
Sure I'll get right on it telling developers to stop making games with DirectX.
BlueShellOP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already there. Nvidia cards have one click installers on Ubuntu and Solus (probably others, but those two stick out to me), and AMD cards and Intel integrated don't even need drivers if you run a recent kernel. Ubuntu, Fedora, and Solus also have super easy Steam install steps (using a GUI for people terrified of the terminal) - and the nice thing about Steam games on Linux is that they just work. On any distro, once you get Steam installed, all games downloaded through Steam "just work" - no annoying VC++/VC#/DirectX installer or any crap like that; you just download it and it runs.
Stop saying "fix gaming" - it is fixed. Now that Vulkan is out, switching to Linux should be easier, but people aren't telling devs not to use DX12 and UWP.
I've said this a hundred times: Please, at the very least tell devs and publishers to use Vulkan. If you do that, Linux will become a fully viable option even for the people who can't be arsed to learn a new thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I game exclusively on Linux and I just can't agree with this. Every single game install requires running LDD on the binary and manually linking libraries to the right place.
BlueShellOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? On every major distro I've used that's been unnecessary for Steam games. Valve rolls their own runtime by default.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On every non-Ubuntu distro, step one of making Steam work at all is to remove the runtime. It's "Steam for Ubuntu" in my opinion, other distros being able to use it is just a happy side-effect. Then there's Solus OS which does it all for you which is nice, but it would be nicer if Steam was just compatible in the first place.
BlueShellOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a professional Fedora user, I can tell you that is not true. The Steam runtimes work just fine on every distro I've used so far.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fedora is what I use. Only Borderlands 2 and Rocket League worked with no extra steps
BlueShellOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using Fedora since 19 and I've not yet run into a game that won't run when launched through Steam runtime.
bliblio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This โ Thank you for the informations.
AtomicFlx ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:09:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people like you spread this lie? Gaming on linux is not there. I have tried. Assuming the games launch at all, they run like shit.
Yes I concede. There are a few games that have been designed for linux but this myth that gaming is 100% on linux is just a lie. I dont want just a few games, I want all of my games, and I want them all without wasting time dicking around with code.
BlueShellOP ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:13:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I see, so when I run games on Linux almost every day I'm lying now?
Do enlighten me which games you've tried.
I'm not the one lying here, bub. You are.
For the uninformed: In no way are you going to be mucking about with code to get your games to run in Linux just as much as you would Windows. Games are closed source (couple exceptions, but you get the point). The person I'm responding to is very clearly talking out their ass.
AtomicFlx ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you claim I can run every game in my library from 1987's Space Quest 2 Vohaul's Revenge, all the way to the soon to be released Star wars Battlefront 2 and EVERY game in between without a single hiccup or problem? All of my hardware will install flawlessly, my sound card will use all its features, my video card will be 100%, My raid array will not need anything special, my NIC will just magically work, all my mouse buttons will work and be programmable, and both my printers, 3d and 2d will just plug and play?
You claim that is today's linux experience?
Who again is talking out their ass?
Joedang100 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By your standards, gaming on Windows also needs to be fixed. I certainly can't do all that on my Windows machine.
BlueShellOP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I claimed and you know it.
AtomicFlx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Playing all, not a few select games, but ALL of my games is what fix gaming means.
BlueShellOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not feasible and you know it. Realistically, we should be pushing devs to move away from DX12 and UWP and towards Vulkan and native Linux support. That will bring Linux up to parity for new games.
Besides, you can't even play all games natively in Windows(DOS games, games broken on modern Windows, console exclusives), so your point doesn't make sense.
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spicy_indian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you use Nvidia, then desktop graphics drivers are now as easy as adding the PPA, and selecting the drivers you want under 'additional drivers'. That last part is for Ubuntu, but there are equivalents in other distros. Then you can forget about it, and go on with your life.
With laptops, you can do the same thing, but integrated graphics will not work.
As far as games go, anything dx9 usually works pretty well. Planetside 2, EVE, and minecraft are 90% of what I play anyways.
macetero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:11:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let me stop you right there fam
gaming is mostly a nightmare when the game isnt properly supported, and good luck playing new titles.
auron_py ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't read the rest of that sentence.
macetero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i did.
the thing is, its qay more common to have issues with games on it than not.
is it useful? yes. is it a pain? also yes.
fistacorpse ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 13:02:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour Arch Linux?
DoktorAkcel ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:02:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I am good
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:00:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Arch btw
neptune12100 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey me too
DoktorAkcel ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you're Mercy main too?
mrchaotica ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:12:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Arch is the Jehovah's Witness of Linux distributions.
IKLeX ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:47:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if people hate Arch, it has a place in my heart. Countless times have I googled my problems and in most cases an article of the Arch wiki showed up as a result. I thought about giving it a shot, but I am propably better of with Ubuntu, since it is widely used, and sometimes the officially supported Distro of certain Programs.
mrchaotica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with Arch; I'm just amused at /u/fistacorpse's phrasing.
sibraa6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With no games? Nah.
simjanes2k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TRT MINT BRUH
lilcosco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Gentoo
z_plash ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BlueShellOP ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:01:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is known to the State of California to cause cancer.
Dfabs432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:35 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prop 65 bois
mokacoffay ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:56:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or win7 I guess
AtomicFlx ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll install linux when ALL of my games can be played on it without fucking around for 3 days compiling shit.
The problem is I refuse to use windows 10 so its 7 until they end support then.... well I dont know what then....
BlueShellOP ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:02:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the PCMR equivalent of "PCs are hard and full of viruses!"
Anyone saying it clearly hasn't used Linux and is talking out their ass.
Ocean_22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:15:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with this so much.
I've used Linux exclusively for about a year now, and I use my PC a lot.
I've compiled something from source ONCE. It was a very obscure FOSS game, of which had no windows executable. Compiling software from source is simply not something every Linux user has to do, it's daft to suggest it. Everything is on the repo, and if what you want isn't there you get it with PPA. It's easier than windows, if anything.
BlueShellOP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Compiling from source is very not trivial, and I don't know why it gets thrown around a whole lot. Even having to install random packages from some random site is getting rarer and rarer. Between the AUR, Fedora CORPR, and Ubuntu's PPAs it's getting easier and easier to install non-officially supported software.
AtomicFlx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh how wrong you are. I spent a day making my damn brother printer work and it still doesn't work right. When compiling is involved, which it was, to get a printer to work then Linux has a LONG way to go.
BlueShellOP ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:09:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are clearly talking out your ass.
I would be surprised if you actually knew how to compile CUPS, or what that even means.
Of course, that's a trick statement. You probably don't even compile your printer driver because I highly doubt your printer manufacturer released the source code of its driver.
AtomicFlx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You were in the room when I was trying to get an old third party driver code to work? You exactly know what I did at home to get my printer to work? How very NSA-ish of you to know with absolute certainty what I did and didn't do.
BlueShellOP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:14:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got a link to said code?
thoggins ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jesus what a shithead you are
climb down off the altar of linux and climb on out of his ass
neotropic9 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:52:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ReznoRMichael ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 11:26:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[spoiler alert] Whole Windows 10 is like a one, big piece of malware.
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html
CYRIAQU3 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 12:02:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use that, it help
ReznoRMichael ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:58:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, added to favourites. If one day I'd be forced to switch to Win10 I'll try this right away.
CYRIAQU3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:00:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No prob ! Just be carefull when making a "big update" on W10, they seem to reinstall all their bullshits like Skype, Candy crush, Groove etc...
MrMiniMies ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:37:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Update 1703 removed auto reinstalling their bullshit... It made also other stuff to not be so shitty. It's even in the their update notes: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/whats-new-windows-10-version-1703
Thaurane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'm gonna be doing the next big update. Paint is getting moved to the store, which i fucking hate. The only reason it is getting moved is it's "outdated" which is a completely bullshit reason when it is still so popular.
CYRIAQU3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What ? Really ? Wtf
ApplePines101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will still remain on your PC, it's just that new installations won't include it
DudeDudenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For what i've been reading it seems we'll just have to pirate it, block all known microsoft connections in our router and become a spy for the NSA in order to not be fucked over
xr3llx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:51:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank
RapidActionBattalion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ur welcom
AnzeG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Skeltal
mrchaotica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixed your link
CYRIAQU3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong sub
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that script is that it's nuclear. Just doing a cursory glance at the stuff it does:
I don't trust this script at all. If something advertises that it removes bloat, it should remove bloat and nothing else.
NoobInGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure to run this often, because major updates may revert these changes.
GlassMeccaNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if you'd prefer to practice prevention rather than harm reduction, GWX control panel can disable Windows 7's persistent attempts to furtively install Windows 10.
richardeid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hesitate because looking through the files I see one that disables Defender. What else is it doing that doesn't seem wise?
CYRIAQU3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the script name, you yan choose wich you want to execute one by one.
Here
Meior ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 12:49:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you live in the US. From what I can gather on Reddit, most of these things only apply in the US because of a lack of consumer protection laws, meaning that companies are allowed and able to abuse their customers far wider.
Downvote away. If you can though, prove me wrong. This isn't criticism or making fun of anyone. It's just an observation.
Dd_8630 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 13:12:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I live in the UK and I've never seen any of the things I see on Reddit - updates wait indefinitely till I click 'update', nothing came pre-installed except bare-bones OS, never seen an ad outside of my browser, etc. Windows 10 is excellent software, it's just US consumer laws that are borked.
mrchaotica ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:24:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that the EU doesn't let it get away with [the more obvious of] its schemes doesn't make Microsoft any less nefarious. Refusing to support it at all is still a better response.
KairuByte ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:27:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comment was that Windows 10 is excellent software, not that Microsoft is an angel.
You can trust a company to do anything legal that will make them money. It's what they do. It's what they are supposed to do. If you think about it, it's the point of a company, and you should not be surprised. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but it's reality.
The problem comes when legislation is based on "the consumer will force them to be good", insinuating that somehow millions of users are going to just stop using Windows to force Microsoft to change. Or stop buying PC's because they all have bloatware installed. Or cut internet because their provider blocks YouTube. It's just not feasible.
mrchaotica ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:30:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent software is trustworthy. Software made by an untrustworthy entity cannot be trustworthy. Since Windows is made by Microsoft and Microsoft is untrustworthy, Windows cannot be excellent software. QED.
That's why I tend to prefer software made by entities that are not [for-profit] companies.
True; I'm definitely not opposed to better consumer protection laws!
KairuByte ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:42:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is necessarily the case. If protections are in place, you can still get an excellent piece of software. And if you have the ability after the fact to remove the bloat, I'd still argue that it's excellent software, just not out of the box. In the case of Windows 10, you can run a script to cut out all the crap that bogs it down, and you get the shiny diamond that is underneath it.
Believe me, this tag means nothing. Not for profit is just a fancy way of saying "we got around tax code!" lately, IF they are even a true not for profit. Yes, there are plenty of legit not for profits, but there are a large number where the CEO somehow manages to live in a mansion pulling in an 8 figure income.
Amen to that!
mrchaotica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but the only sufficient protection I can think of would be being able to read and audit the source code.
I only included the part in square brackets so as not to disqualify organizations like Mozilla. Otherwise, there is plenty of software that is made by groups that aren't "companies" at all but who are instead loose networks of hobbyists and volunteers.
KairuByte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no. I'd be willing to assume that they wouldnt want the legal battle and fees that would come with breaking customer protection laws. I'm also not a large believer that open source makes things safer than closed.
AustinTransmog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like you're saying As long as a corporation doesn't shit in my backyard, they're O.K. by me.
Example: Nestle, Inc. has never shit in my backyard - but I still have a negative impression of this company. They empty local water supplies, bottle it and ship it. They've never done this in my home town - but I still recognize dirty tactics when I see them.
So...should only we blame the laws? Or should we also expect that corporations be expected to behave in an ethical manner and hold them to a basic standard of decency?
Dd_8630 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:22:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying that proper consume laws are effective and protecting the consumer, as demonstrated by good practices in Europe and poor practices in the US.
ExplosiveMachine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My experience in Slovenia has been the same so far. People complained about updates restarting their PCs without permission, and various programs being deleted, defaults being reset, ads in the start menu, ads in the lock screen, ads in pop up notifications etc etc. Meanwhile I am sitting here wondering what everyone is complaining about, the closest I've seen to that is the little "want more like these?" Message about the lock screen picture and yes, I do want more like those. None of this happened even with the "refresh" updates, everything was always left as it was. Thank god for the EU I guess.
Reynbou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah same here in Australia. I've only ever once seen these pre-installed apps and that was once when installing Win10 using default US location and settings.
Seems to be a thing that only affects the Americans. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Stoner95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also in the UK. I see adds to things on the windows app store on my start menu. But in those situations I'm either about to log off or begin typing to find something.
Besides that Windows 10 has been OK I guess, nothing about it has improved for the average Joe since 7.
Enverex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the UK and I've seen a lot of the Ads and such people complain about. Not sure how the targets are decided.
Meior ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:13:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. But it's also popular on Reddit to hate on Windows 10, so you'll mostly get downvoted for saying it.
GracchiBros ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 13:20:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God forbid I hold a company responsible for their actions instead of anything any and every thing that can make them a buck. I guess I can't be upset at anyone cheating in their loved one. It's not against the law, so why should I expect someone to not sleep with anyone they can?
Dd_8630 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:14:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can be angry at both: Microsoft for doing something unethical (even though it's legal), and at your government for keeping these activities legal.
TotallyNotARoboto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit, Windows 10 is fucking retarded, and ugly.
They fucking cheated in gaming performance tests, fuck those pieces of shit.
AbstractHand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:36 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does that mean a PC built in a non-US country would never run into these issues? Or would a UK PC brought to the US start showing the same problems?
Meior ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it depends on where the distribution of windows comes from. But the ones sold in Europe have significantly less of these issues.
feared_rear_admiral ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And people wonder why I still use Windows 7. Because of this. Supposedly there are some of these functions in 7 already, but 10 is really going for gold in how Microsoft owns your home computer. It's simply not tolerable.
Caton101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think /r/linux would love this
Aemony ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already know of it. Those pages are infamous for being absurd.
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-adobe.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-amazon.html
Etc
They are filled with absurd examples too, such as classifying Appleโs software as โmalwareโ because Apple Music subscribers have access to more data than non-subscribers (OMG, paying gives access to more data, who wouldโve known!)
Those pages actively contribute to removing all meaning from the term โmalwareโ. If anything and everything is malware, nothing is malware.
DudeDudenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been reading up on the website you provided, and the way the guy who created it keeps throwing the same comment but in different words over and over again leaves a sour taste
I mean i get it, microsoft's being really shit about forcing people to move into w10 but the dude didn't keep it to a single bulletpoint, he repeated that same argument about 15 times
Teethpasta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So edgy
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:55:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:02:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
clarify?
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 12:26:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pm_me_steam-codes ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 12:44:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because windows 10 is malware, doesn't mean that android isn't. Tech companies tend to screw us over.
openRUSE ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:48:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean. The link is literally stallman. I'm not even sure he has a phone.
littlebobbytables9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He certainly does not
SilentFungus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:41:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can easily bootload most android phones into whatever version of android you want, with or without the whole "entirety of their lives" being sent to google
Superpickle18 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:04:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you don't use any google apps. Or any apps for that matter?
SilentFungus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:06:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally do, but its not like I have to. I'm sure the phone will be able to make/receive calls perfectly fine without 10 different IM apps and useless OEM shit.
Superpickle18 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:17:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So can a flip phone, but calling and texting isn't the reason people buy smart phones, is it?
nlofe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F-Droid is full of apps that any sort of telemetry is easily disabled. I still use Google services but the option is there.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 12:53:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can easily install what ever version of Windows you want on most PCs too....
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:56:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:01:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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moozaad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:14:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also community patches to bypass the CPU check as well. The check is completely arbitrary and doesn't do anything but gatekeeping to force people on to MS latest
malwareOS.https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:17:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SilentFungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or even just fuck off with microsofts bullshit and install linux
Ascott1989 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:16:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaay there it is. Just use linux for all those games. Just use WINE game run fine trust me. Linux is easy to setup and get working. Ignore the fact that Nvidia poorly supports linux.
openRUSE ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:56:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what makes you say that? just because GeForce experience isn't available or? Historically nvidia has had some of the best drivers available for linux. AMD's very recently caught up with them but before then, if you wanted decent drivers on linux you went with nvidia.
diamondburned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations. Now we'll never hear from OP again.
Kofilin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just did that, actually. Wine works surprisingly well.
Ascott1989 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until it doesn't, like with most of Linux.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Steelbath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:56:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice meme
MSFTFansArePathetic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl. Windows phone will take off any day now.
robdouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's unfortunate they don't. I have a buddy who loves his windows phone and is able to do some pretty cool things with his setup and works from home in IT. I won't go for it because it lacks so much of the apps/versatility I can get with my android and my wife loves her Iphone, but if it had taken off, and you could get the apps you can elsewhere, I would honestly think about changing over.
MSFTFansArePathetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:19 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol bro you can't change over because it doesn't exist anymore. You literally can't buy one and they don't make them anymore.
NeoTheFox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't even clicked the link. There are more problems then just telemetry.
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how windows 10 and Android are related.
xr3llx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:52:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Microsoft employee.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MSFTFansArePathetic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pathetic.
Kurrumiau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, i fancy living in Washington.
ipmasq ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahah good fucking luck getting a blue badge
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:49:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SpeculationMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got the instructions for ATT Galaxy S5? Because I have been trying for years.
diamondburned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:22 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buying an ATT phone is your first mistake
SpeculationMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:36 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True dat
WoodpeckerNo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR?
Markussim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:45:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The operating system has more control over your computer then you have, they force you into upgrading to Windows 10 by making newer CPUs incompatible with Windows 7 and 8 and they used a backdoor in widows to put the windows upgrading software on your computer (And that software was basically malware too because it was hard to cancel it). That's about it
neutral_fence_sitter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the option to backup your encryption key is deemed a "back door"
ThePrplPplEater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:11:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not, Mr tin foil hat man.
AzulonTZ ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:56:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
could also be because if you office 365 than you have 2 versions installed
MACKENZIE_FRASER ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:27:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything Win10 is bloatware, I figured out how it works, new OS comes out, people try to explain how it's better than the older stabler one, I upgrade, get stuck with shitty OS, people deny it and it's many failings for years, I finally get it the way I want, new OS that's "finally better than Windows 8/Vista/WindowsMe/Windows98"
There wasn't a win 9 so we skipped the stable OS and went straight into the Vista of this decade. Anyone with win7 hold your OS with tender loving care for as long as you can, be the XP sp3 holdouts!
Gl33D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or run windows 8.1 with classic shell! Its essentially windows 7 with just a few minor improvements and longer support
Paradoxa77 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:44:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the definition of bloat ware? If so, I have horror stories about Korean software. Al Yak is satan digitized.
Squiddyward ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:15:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U sure u don't just have the windows 10 version and the desktop version separate? Two copies?
Hefeweize ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:43:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP deleted the skype shortcut only to find out its bloat ware.
HotshotGT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Start > right-click > uninstall was apparently too hard to find.
the_harakiwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on the windows 10 date of install (build number of 10)
Some came and still come with "Skype Preview",
This was renamed a view months ago to Skype. It's the UWP version of Skype.
If you had the old x32 Skype installed... Well you officially had 2 Skype installs. You might want to remove it twice next time :/
It's like the "Get Office" App. It's a shortcut to download the full thing.
Very easy to uninstall.
But this sub upvotes everything anti windows and pro discord.
My parents are using Skype daily because it's mobile version is much better (than discord) and has video chat. It's quality sucks sometimes, yes. But until discord gets video chat to everybody including mobile it's still Skype or Hangout.
(I don't know if I want to trust in Google to suddenly break hangout or it's UI. Relearning and teaching my parents every year / holiday is so much fun /s)
And don't come with FaceTime... Apple did something weird to their QoS and it's protocol won't send anything understandable. I don't even know what part of their dozens of ports and what kind of protocols I have to prioritize... #mandatoryAppleRant
cylonapplepie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The visible (emote picture in notification) childish way of treating their user-base in recent versions of OS and Skype is just astonishing and dreadful. It's like they're trying to be idiot-proof user-friendly (with pretended happy friendliness) very hard nowadays at the expense of important and crucial informations like for example, rich error or software updates descriptions.
Hell, other companies seems to be doing same thing - Firefox acts like their user-base constitute only of kids and thus, Mozilla serves a cute/funny pictures around their browser informational pages.
As for Skype itself, since it landed in MS hands, I feel not safe using it and I'm trying not to.
na7noo7reborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:01 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a toolbar.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love everyone blaming Skype for this, even though this update is triggered by Windows. (Even more certain about this by the fact you need to remove a package in terminal to get rid of it)
Tip for the future: When a program reinstalls itself, it's either malware, or your operating system installed it on its own.
AerialRush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes windows 10 malware
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't disagree with that.
SolDios ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:30:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So your telling me, a program that is owned and operated by the same parent company as your OS, is tough to get off said OS?
My word
nobullshit_is_fat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft's actually
DudeDudenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you would take a look at:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/72cwdl/you_either_die_a_hero_or_live_long_enough_to_see/dnijcx9/?context=3
Maybe you'd understand that this sub is used by some very silly people
Edit: I mean i got downvoted for saying that windows would totally be willing to leave bloatware behind after using a tool that is supposed to remove bloatware
Bjarnovikus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:27:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And why is that emoji needed? Someone please tell me...
NekoiNemo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:36:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cause they're now hip with the kids. Have you seen the abomination that is Skype app on phones?
yyjd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:47:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wire is a good alternative. It's got end to end encryption, no ads, and a good app on all platforms.
Https://wire.com
RoachTrooperalis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I switched to Discord...
Best choice of my life.
Now, don't get me wrong. At first I thought Discord was overrated but... holy shit. It's functionality, optimisation, even the loading screen texts are awesome!
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, Discord will go down the same path one day I'm sure of it, it won't happen in a year or two but eventually.
AerialRush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/QN_6AZT92pU
slater126 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:37 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
note that he said in the description its OUTDATED.
and that its also ALOT of speculation. all that he says is that they COULD do this and COULD do that.
AerialRush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:58 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, but there's no reason to believe they don't, not claiming I know everything about discord but how else does a voip service make ends meet with no apparent income.
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, but my wanna-be-ex (aka Skype, we didn't do it I swear) doesn't want to accept that.
filthy_sinner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:04:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Skype has been updated. You can't escape me, bitch."
Mizenic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:19:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โYou can run but you canโt hide, bitchโ
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get-AppxPackage skypeapp | Remove-AppxPackageSome reason didn't work for me, I'm just gonna do it the old fashion regedit way. Should work though.
Diknak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:14:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Skype UWP is way better than the old desktop app.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come join us on r/linuxmasterrace. No windows spyware/bloatware. Life is good.
Bosko47 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you uninstalled the desktop shortcut
MrGarc1a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord>Skype
ArceusBlitz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is annoying as fuck. When you try to quit it it never goes away and you have to do it like five times. This is why I use Discord now
shroudedwolf51 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you can just terminate the process. Far more efficient that way.
zoahporre ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:06:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is bloatware
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:18:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have ShareX installed which allows you to take screenshots so why did you do this with your phone?
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to, the notification was "above" the space ShareX could snap.
I'm surprised that it took this long for people to realize it...
I did make a comment, but when I reached 1k karma and it was still at 1 point, I just removed it to save on the awkwardness. Seriously, posters should be able to make sticky comments, at the very least on link posts.
Terakahn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:43:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't even opened it since I started using discord
Box_of_Rockz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:18:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This whole thread is a bunch of code talk and I have no idea what's going on...
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:41:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is bad. Complimentary pitchforks are in the bin by the door.
Box_of_Rockz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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humankitty123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:11:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is what really doing it they have also been pushing shit like candy crush down to peoples boxes
HungryHarrison44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had this problem back in Windows 7, the simple solution back then was just open Windows Update and block the update, oh how the times have changed!
sonny68 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype user interface and sound fx even feel like malware
SirNanigans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was always bloatware, now it's also malware.
FrenchWoodChesse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avast is bloatware as well. I had it on my pc and used the official removal tool from their website to remove it. It worked and it was all good for a while, I needed to create a guest account on the same pc and when it was created, avast was running somehow.
Dellphox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have skype since some of my friends refuse to move to discord, but I prefer to get the desktop version over the app
HTOutdoorBro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love that we get a picture of the comp instead of a screenshot in the PCMR sub
TheAlmightyRedditor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deleting the desktop shortcut doesnโt uninstall the program man
Kinzuko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no its malware that comes with your windows install, its on both of my custom builds and it wont go away
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't bloatware, it's malware.
thefanciestcat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, you probably have two versions of Skype. One is baked right into Windows 10 like a mobile app, and the other is a desktop program you install traditionally.
I'm not sure if the pre-loaded one can actually be removed.
Lack-of-Luck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not bloatware if Microsoft is doing, then it's a 'feature' /s
The-Choo-Choo-Shoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just Microsoft with Window, every company is doing in. Android and iOS has bloat as well for example.
Lack-of-Luck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh absolutely, I'm not arguing that, just that windows can be pretty bad about it (no I don't want Candy crush, take the hint and quit reinstalling it)
mike2k24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve seriously started to hate Skype over the years. One of the most annoying things is how slow it is, and how it doesnโt actually close when you press the X. You have to hit โQuit Skypeโ just to close that annoying piece of shit. Discord is 10x better.
FROXII ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tfw sharex is open but photo is taken with phone?
Likesbisexualgirls ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:27:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord > Skype
NekoiNemo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:35:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no shit. Now go and explain that some "kiddie unknown app" is better than Skype to the enterprise sector people.
LeJoker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is not for business. Slack or Teams fills that role in a corporate environment.
NekoiNemo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's even better: "hey, can you register in this app and join our team's server on this channel?". Right, so many clients would do that with joy /s
LeJoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are you talking about? Tons of businesses use Slack and Teams.
NekoiNemo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are YOU talking about? Lots of developer teams and businesses use it. However in most cases they still interact with clients through Skype because latter refuse to change their habits.
TheyComeCrawlingBack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is rolling out video chat slowly. It will be HUGE in the future, and I hope they won't fuck it up by selling their service to some gigantic shitty company like Skype did with Microsoft.
NekoiNemo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the point. The point is that "enterprise" people are so rigid that it would take a decade of market dominance by Discord/Slack for them to even start considering moving to it, regardless of how shitty Skype is
TheyComeCrawlingBack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:42 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we'll see. In the information age, these rules don't really apply. Plenty of sites/online services have absolutely destroyed their competition in a few years' time.
NekoiNemo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:23 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, for people who are want best, like smart users (or devs), not the rigid business people or the user plankton.
sutto85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:04:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
screenshot button, just saying. this is PCM
๐๏ธ Never-asked-for-this ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried to (as you can see, ShareX was open), the notification was either protected or just "above" the snapable layer.
Ultra_HR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please note this MIGHT not be deliberate.
The Windows Store is REALLY bad at figuring out what apps need to be updated. Once an app has been queued for updating, even if you subsequently uninstall the app, once the update queue starts the app will be updated - or re-installed if it is not present at all.
The Store often queues updates a day or two in advance and then installs them in batches. This is probably what happened here.
Or maybe Microsoft really did think it was a good idea to forcefully re-install Skype for people who uninstalled it. They've done less logical things in the past.
Highborne ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
ddosn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:25:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Linux fanboys yet again pushing for people to switch to Linux.
Yes, we get it Linux is pretty good sometimes. But most distros are clunky as all hell, or have at best marginal improvements over Windows. There are also the oftentimes bizarre changes made that then get changed again next update and so on and so forth. Ubuntu is infamous for this. The only Linux distros I like are Mint, Debian and Redhat/Fedora, the latter two are designed around IT engineering, servers and programming and are useless for normal PC usage.
I should know, I've used most of them. In my line of work, Linux is unavoidable.
FeFiFoShizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:26 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to use Linux on a super old computer and it was great for what I needed it for. Made my athalon x2 based system run like a dream but it was a huge hassle compared to windows. I just want an easy os these days
EredarLordJaraxxus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arent we glad that Discord is a thing? Only thing is the lack of video calls, but who uses those anyway?
ShaanOSRS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is adding video calls as well as screen sharing soon enough
EredarLordJaraxxus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome
cavebehr50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
old people
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or y'know people that want to video call family or friends or have to video their boss since they can't be at the meeting, etc.
cavebehr50 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there's a billion other apps that do the same and dont try to charge you for time.
totallyworkingATM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh yeah, neither does skype my man.
s0urc3_d3v3l0pm3nt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also uses a significant amount of power in the background for me.
pokemon_nicknames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
discordforlife
martinjohnfdsa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I still have Skype is because it's the only place where I still have old gaming friends contacts.
Nekrozys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am glad skype exists. Otherwise I would have my parents ping and call me at any time on Discord.
cbigs97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I'd love to do remove it, but I have to use it all the time for my fucking job.
silent_mills ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish i wasn't forced to use Skype to talk to people who don't have discord ๐
landdon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And while we're at it, I'm kinda sick of seeing one drive constantly reappearing too it seems.
nomnivore1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put Internet Explorer's files in a desktop older titled "time out" and restricted access to it from the entire system. I can't get to it and neither can my computer.
adeguntoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why i use hackintosh..
zoomer296 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:06:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gaming on a Hackintosh? You'd be better off using Linux.
adeguntoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said gaming on a hackintosh ?
zoomer296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just assumed. I probably shouldn't have, considering this is PCMR and not PCGMR. Any specific software you use?
adeguntoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:17 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use hackintosh for editing video, FCPX and iMovie is very simple than any editing video on PC. For gaming, i play dota on Mac, just simple gaming.
StaticSilence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is Skype may never die.
MothBird_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft killed it and Discord sent it to the grave
0xMatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shit ain't happenin' in Linux
Tengo10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can even see a screenshot tool on the photo... Why not use it (it is shareX btw)
toddu1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do I remove Skype/Other Bloatware? Iโve tried deleting Skype like 3 times, never works.
NocturnalQuill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Games are literally the only thing keeping me from completely making the jump to Linux at this point
hanssone777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny everybody hating on skype because I only had problems with discord, why does everybody say itโs so great?
waltztheplank ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is such a piece of shit
liesthroughhisteeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ran into this with Avast the other day. Uninstalled and restarted, but upon restart there seemed to be some issues and windows would lock up and give me an error screen saying one of my data drives was faulty! And this somehow affected the boot?
Maybe if the last time I installed Windows I had this drive attached during the install process, but I didn't, so boot files weren't the issue. Anyhow, there was still a remnant of Avast left which was trying to revive itself because it thought the Windows uninstall process was a threat to be dealt with. Apparently Avast has a special tool for removal.
Continued to have lock up and boot issues even after using the tool. Figured out which internal storage drive was causing the fault and yarked it. Later checked this on a bench caddy and ran WD Lifeguard Diagnostics and low and behold many many bad sectors. Coincidental?
First time I have ever heard of a failing data (that had zero boot files on it) drive borking the Windows operating system. SFC /scannow showed many corrupted files that it repaired and many it apparently could not.
xxc3ncoredxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:55 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most effective way to debloat your computer by installing LFS, Gentoo, or Arch Linux.
TheManFromV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:02 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
komay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:40 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks in.
Dragonasaur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:40:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spy a blue/gold ASUS Zenbook!
0kaysee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uh that's a surface pro
Dragonasaur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are blue Surface Pros
nickrizzo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:58:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anything that comes bundled in with you os always seems to be worthless. Skype, norton, etc
itsflashpoint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:56:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the app store Skype, your own fault for using Microsofts app store. :). Download the "standalone" version.
_leon_nash_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can come preinstalled (it did on my PC), so probably not their fault. :)
itsflashpoint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, was unaware of that. Preinstalled software is cancer.
Zolkia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why I don't use Windows 10
CosbyQuaalude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We gotta use Pied Piper chat!
Whoa_Bundy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is saying Discord as a better alternative....but does it have video conferencing capabilities???
volkswaggerwagen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're in the process of rolling out with it, already released video capability to about 10% of users, the rest will get it relatively soon.
Tarlz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:15:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet, although they are working on it. Hangouts seems to work better anyways.
ShadowDandy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:56 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that likes both Windows 10 and Skype. Btw i use the desktop version not the win10 app, apparently i cannot receive calls from normal skype to the win10 app.
eddietwang ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:51:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what bloatware means..
Bloatware is software that has been pre-installed on a computer to be there when you purchase it "new".
MadKlauss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:10:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is pre-installed in Windows 10.
eddietwang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying OP used the term wrong, not that Skype isn't bloatware. Per his title, he's saying it is bloatware because it reinstalled itself.
Superpickle18 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:07:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So skype has always been bloatware.
jkxyz1337 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:59:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bloatware?
JackCarbon ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:43:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its software that people rarely use, but it is forced onto a device or computer for really, arbitrary reasons. It also slows down a computer, and you can't uninstall it
RobinWolfard ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:46:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money. Always. Somehow.
r4ndxm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:49:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sure
fistacorpse ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:59:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can using PowerShell, but not through the UI. It'll probably be reinstalled with windows updates too
r4ndxm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:11:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cause Windows is stupid with feature updates. It's literally installing a whole OS, storing the old one (Windows.old) and not retaining lots of settings. Not other OSes like Android, where data is separated from system.
NoobInGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard they used to make sure to not reset user settings.
JackCarbon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should rephrase that as: For reasons that will not benefit the user.
ThePrplPplEater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I uninstalled it.
ideagle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not what bloatware means
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly what bloatware means.
ideagle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bloatware is software whose resource footprint does not justify its process output
imagine Minesweeper that is 2.5GB install and requires 1GB of memory to run
chevas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what bloatware means.
perkam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already 1500 comments so no one will see this:
24fps is more cinematic than 60fps.
argv_minus_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop right there, peasant scum!
perkam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have violated the law!
SexyNaughtyRaiden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comments are essentially a "Windows is bad, Linux is best, Skype is bad, Discord is best" circlejerk.
phantomPl0x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Linux pcmr?
zoomer296 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:10:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It runs on PC hardware, so therefore, it qualifies.
phantomPl0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool
gishnu11 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Miami Florida is where you live
phantomPl0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:23 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O rly?
ubergeek77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it actually installed though? I get old notifications from programs every now and again. Maybe the notification tray re-sent that notification, with it originally being sent after the update installed at some point. Windows 10 notifications are absolute garbage. I've turned them off altogether.
bakteria ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:05:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me fix that for you.
ThePrplPplEater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:11:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell if you are serious.
bakteria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. It'll sink in eventually
Ark161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote because PCMR doesn't understand that W10+ is no longer a fundamental OS but is SaaS; Software as a service. It is now functionally no different than any other piece of software you own.
bakteria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to my Linux kernel.
Sup3rSuzaku ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:34:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
itโs preinstalled in windows 10 in the app store
Dusty170 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On windows 10 anyway.
WaulsTexLegion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:31:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a problem at work where this will happen with games and Skype. Which officially makes Windows 10 adware. It's no longer an operating system.
cyberhayes22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Windows 10 Skype app is surprisingly ok.
aimforthehead90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like everything about Windows 10 was bloatware. I happily downgraded to Windows 7.
MrBomber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I has always been bloatware, ever since they decided that the "X" button doesn't apply to them. Not sure why voice companies are so anal about the X button, even discord.
ST00PKlD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm guessing they have had too many issues with people accidentally hanging up calls while attempting to minimize or maximize their Skype session.
Kalka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, and Skype may as well be a fucking malware, because it has terrible network security and anyone can grab your IP address even if you're not in a call.
CANTFINDCAPSLOCK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TRY SKYPE! IT'S
M A D E
FOR WINDOWS 10
oh and try Edge too please
evilsbane50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you want to change the default? Are you sure you want to switch! You sure you don't want to stay with Edge, it's maaaaaddddeeee for Win 10!! You'll love it!
Seriously Edge is fine but the way they try to push it on you and create unique pop-ups when you try to change the default from Edge to any other browser is absurd.
FaIc0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone know any good alternatives to Skype? I've tried Discord but it's such a laggy program. Everyone's mics cut in and out and the next 5 mins is ppl just saying "What?". Even pro esports teams have dropped Discord as a sponsor because of how bad it is.
Steeva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sure about that? I haven't had any problems with discord, and the few issues I did have were due to my own shitty internet connection.
FaIc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:53 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and my connection is good too. I never had any problems with Discord but after an update a few months ago everyone in my group has noticed lag or mic's cutting out. I uninstalled it a few weeks ago and stuck with Skype until I find something else.
Steeva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:55 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well in that case, Curse chat is really good. I think they renamed it at some point but it should be easy to find.
WalterWasRight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your bloatware problem comes from Win10.
TlGERW00DS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what doesn't have bloatware? PS4.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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7aane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:41 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, my pc is a better Netflix/YouTube machine because 1080p/60
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:34:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is Windows 10 too. Holy fuck I get furious when Candy Crush comes back.
IndirectCell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that even possible?
Now i think i need to install skype on a virtual machine just to test what actually starts the reinstall prossess, unless it doesnt unistall at all.
mrchaotica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Windows itself that's doing it. The only real solution is ditching it entirely in favor of Linux.
emwinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of bloatware, are there powershell commands to remove apps like Duolingo, Power BI, Code Writer, Pandora, and Network Speed Test?
Zanthous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sick of always using skype to communicate with friends, it's a sack of shit
DoctorOMalley ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:45:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord, my dude
Superpickle18 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:06:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, convince the friends...
ThiagoBaisch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:08:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my friends didnt wanted to move too, so i started giving excuses like skype is lagged for me, now every single one of them havent touched skype for months
corfish77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell them skype is bloatware
Zanthous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it my friends refuse
Schmuckarella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lie to them. See Thiago's comment.
dudegod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use IObit uninstaller, force uninstalls programs and even removes registry bullshit that windows forgets
can also remove windows 10 default programs
toddu1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it remove all or Can I select? I donโt want to delete ALL of them.
dudegod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can select whichever you want. You can batch uninstall or just do any 1 at a time
dissidentrhetoric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disable all windows 10 notifications.
HeavenAndHellD2arg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what the fucks right with my w10 but I've never seen any of this stuff or problems, maybe they change according to the region?
TheyComeCrawlingBack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you live in Europe you don't get that kind of shit (French dude here, have never seen shit like that).
HeavenAndHellD2arg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from south America, they probably focus this stuff in the us only
Anbar48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
Carr0t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It keeps asking me to update to that horrible all-in-one window thing. I have all my chat apps as thin columns on my secondary monitor, and they open up actual chats in separate windows on my primary monitor. Until the new Skype allows me to undock chat windows Iโm staying on the old version.
Problem is Iโm going to upgrade sometime, and I donโt think I still have the old installer...
Snowey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that background webpage from anywhere, I'm spending roo much time in it. Have fun in Netacad bud.
Skyblade1939 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh skype, goodbye sweet prince.
You served us well while you lasted.
RonUSMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a spam phone call at 5am this morning from someone named "hot debbie". . obviously blasting through my speakers and waking me up. It took about 4 minutes in my haziness to figure out how to put on DND.
alientacobar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have the hp spectre? I might get one for school
IFLGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
artisticMink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
skype is weird despite the version or os. Had it uninstalled from my android phone only to get asked a few days later why i'm always online in skype. Turns out, despite being uninstalled it ran continuously as background app.
illpoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
skype is terrible. i wish i didn't have to have it to talk to some of my friends/coworkers
-TheDoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are two versions of Skype actually; the traditional desktop program and the new Metro App version.
Which one did you remove yesterday?
Myc0s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One does not simply uninstall Skype...
Dixie_Flatlin3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get-AppxPackage - Allusers | Remove-AppxPackage
Joenz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had an old version of skype for 5+ years and refused to update it. They finally made me update it a couple of months ago, so I uninstalled it.
ODuffer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is awful, so many different options these days. For actual telephony just use any decent SIP provider.
FastRedPonyCar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We rely on the business edition as our main communication means at work. Lync phones, skype IM, skype meetings, etc. I donโt mind the business version as it seems to be fairly unobtrusive (I assume that enterprise admins donโt want the garbage-ware on domain PCโs) but I hate Skype for very different reasons... like trying to get it to work in virtual desktop environments for a client who does a lot of media consumption at the same time and donโt want to pay for faster internet :|
Merdy1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed this too: my work computer was a new, out of box HP Prodesk all-in-one that I was issued by the IT department when I started in business sales, and which I promptly upgraded to Windows 10. Well, I didn't even install Skype, but there it is, syncing with personal convos all the time. It's driving me nuts!
Though...I mean technically? Facebook was a bloatware app on my LG G6 when I got it too (came pre-installed and not removeable without root access). If it wasn't an app I would have installed anyway, I'd have been extremely annoyed too. I suppose it's based on context and in fairness to Microsoft they probably include Skype for seamless communication purposes...especially if the users who would benefit most from its pre-inclusion are folks like mom, dad, grandpa and that tech-illiterate coworker we all have who buys Apple everything because "Android has too many options." :P
brsgaming804 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
Fire_Gaming_UAV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bloatware you can get rid of. If you uninstalled it and it came back without you wanting it, I'm pretty sure that classifies as malware.
technowarlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your computer may have had Skype app from the store preinstalled. Was it the desktop version you removed?
flomeista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype in 2017 LUL
Nitr0s0xideSys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
WeddedToReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of shit is why I use the web version. I'm on Chrome all day anyway so might as well have one more tab open.
Cunicularius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no shit.
oitsjustjose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm only slightly bothered by the fact that you have ShareX (a screen capture and auto-uploading software) installed and yet you took a photograph of this :P
OhHiGCHQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rip Skype
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
#SurfaceMasterRace
stupidsexysysadmin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.hwinfo.com/misc/RemoveW10Bloat.htm
Great little script.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol of course Skype is Bloatware, it has been since 2010..
Why people even use it still baffles me. There are better options from Teamspeak, to Discord.
XtremeGaming7000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is why you build a desktop
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is because the Skype Desktop version is different than the UWP/Store version.
moddingpark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's cute though. :)
perdair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is "officially" going to suffer the same fate as "literally"?
Ark161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....Literally
Ruidan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is my friends and I all exclusively used Skype while we game. We switched to Discord 2 months ago and never looked back. Skype is such shit.
x64L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Gentoo
Dennidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sick and tired of either my PC, or Windows 10. I can't put my finger on where the problem is, I'm suspecting either my GPU is taking a dump, or Windows 10 is losing its mind. It keeps randomly freezing and bluescreening for seemingly no reason with seemingly random intervals, I have no idea how to troubleshoot it.
Wanna buy a new PC soon but I'm scared Windows 10 is going to do its ghosty crap on there too and I'll lose the patience with W10, but I also don't really want to go back to W7 now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like windows 10 and a driver issue. I had similar random problems - turns out W10 was trying to auto-install drivers which kept conflicting (or already had installed them).
Dennidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I actually checked the windows logs a few times and it said something about drivers not being launched or something I think.
You know a fix?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, if you know the specific driver you could uninstall all drivers for it (in control panel and device manager) and hope Windows 10 driver works.
Personally, I went back to Windows 7. I couldn't be doing with losing work because of random blue screens.
Dennidude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sadly I don't know which driver it is, I'll try to find it next time I see the error.
Nicholas_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their newest update made me want to slit my wrists. I tried to find an older version but unfortunately I couldn't so I just uninstalled it.
Salamander_Coral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it seems happy too
splicepoint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Skype and I'm eagerly waiting for discord to finally push video out to me.
Pablinex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord killed it
nakamin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get sPortable (Skype portable). It's a portable version of Skype meaning it doesn't write to the registry and is completely contained within one directory. Open it up whenever you need to use Skype, but otherwise you won't even know it exists. Also, because it's a portable app, you can install it on a USB and run it on any PC with a USB port. And you should definitely delete the Appx package like some other people have already said.
thedorkening ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a question on Skype. We use the old version for our web show, I need to capture individual people in a group chat. Currently I grab parts of the screen with my broadcast software. Is there an alternative to Skype that will show a grid of callers and is easy enough to use for the average person?
Skype has been going down the tubes as of late, and I've had to revert back to the old version a couple times already since the latest version is garbage.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I uninstalled windows 10. I would remove those useless MS store apps, and then they would magically, silently reinstall themselves after a few days. Fuck that shit.
EvilDesk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is literally useless. Plus I had trouble with Realtek HD Audio reinstalling every time I restarted.
I have external audio so I do NOT need it!
Ark161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have W10 Home....big ol' ripperoni..if you have pro, you can disable that shit in GPedit.MSC....or the registry....I suggest the former as fucking the registry can brick your system.
frappim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin installed something on my PC, and it installed Chromium with it. I uninstalled it from Add or remove programs, but it still opens every time my PC starts /: I even tried going to the program file location and deleting everything, but it still returns! Gah :( I just installed Windows too
GODDZILLA24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 1 hour
tekkitan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been officially bloatware since Windows 10 was released. It's been adware for years though. No one should be using Skype anymore. Use Discord. Soon they will have video calling for everyone (I believe it's beta right now).
xMashu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just another reason out of 1,000,000 to switch to Discord.
Creepynerd_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imgur is blocked at my school, could someone describe it to me please?
MISREADS-YOUR-POSTS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It updated, despite him uninstalling it. He didn't uninstall all the versions though so it thought, heh there's an update: let's install it for you!
DoodMcGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cursed image right here.
Wedgenet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those Windows 10 problems, right?
I.e. Do I need to go looking for a phantom skype installation on my Windows 7 machine?
DJRES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype for business is pretty much indispensable at work for me. Easy enough to get rid of if not needed though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
Remingtonh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and yet you guys bash Macs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Gentoo, with Xen as the hypervisor, and then run TempleOS.
Eluvyel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Install this completely different OS you probably don't want to use because of a program being annoying."
Kthen.
fivefortythree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pretty much everyone i know, including myself, had their skype hacked about a year and a half ago. i recovered my account, but never was able to actually log in since then.
5nurp5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the recent android "update" of skype is just so bad, you have to assume they did it on purpose. i don't dare accuse anyone of such level of incompetence.
ianosaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype gets worse and worse.
However it probably didn't "come back" you probably had multiple different types of Skype installed. There's a desktop version, a version that comes with MS Office, a Windows Store version, and probably a few others. You'll need to nuke them all to remove the infestation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/beetlejuicing HOW DID YOU PREPARE FOR THIS
jackofools ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post tag checks out. I need an adult.
EvanMackenzie403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It never leaves just saying
teknic111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the best alternative for Skype?
MISREADS-YOUR-POSTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord arguably, there is others in sure, maybe raidcall and mumble/team speak?
Heavyoak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
discord. all others have privacy issues.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use Revo Uninstaller Pro. Best fucking tool ever.
MISREADS-YOUR-POSTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
saves comment
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After it uninstalls the program, it then scans for any leftover files and scans the registry for any keys the programs added or changed. So amazing.
Halftone-KoolAid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit. It's one of the things I hate about the Windows interface.
crackalac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit. I guess I'll have to finally check out discord.
FatEmoLLaMa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because you probably didn't uninstall the AppStore version, and only the Desktop version. When one is made the default, the other one is disabled. When one is removed, the other becomes default.
Did it on Windows 8.1.
life_is_deuce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving for future reference.
MundaneProposition ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of little tweaks can be made using registry tweaks and settings. Personally, I use winaero tweak. It gives a shit ton of tweaks and optimisation settings for Windows 10, including auto driver updates disable, context menu options and whatnot.
AltRye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the Windows MO
xlipH007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what you get for using a proprietary operating system.
SpaceNavy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype has been bloatware for a while.
All hail Discord
oompahlumpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got the same shit! WTF over!
Jewbaccah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does your Windows 10 not come with Skype and a few other stupid shit installed like Candy Crush?
BTW it's downloaded illegally from the internet.
doreato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had Skype uninstalled since discord has been in beta. And discord beta was pretty bad
guisilvano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you guys accept shit like this? I'm mad by just looking at it
Zygersaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit... I have never had it on my current pc, but I have to install it for an interview coming up, hope it doesn't remain a pain in the ass to remove....
SpikeGD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U S E R N A M E C H E C K S O U T
The_Thick_Six ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a good alternative for video chatting and message chatting with friends?
Offyerrocker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord.
The video chat function is still in beta, but overall it's a far better experience imo.
Mordewolt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:16 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
discord, g-hangouts, heck - even icq is still alive
MeeeeAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surface?
superbilliam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now thanks to this post and the subsequent ones that followed, I have learned of the power...of power shell. Seriously, I consider myself a seasoned computer user but never been a programmer or IT guy officially though. I glean what I can randomly. kudos to the OP and the posters in the ComputeGuy thread line.
RantingBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do y'all remember MSN Messenger. In its golden years it was exactly what everyone wanted. Like Facebook messenger, but reliable, ad free and not by Microsoft. It died so Skype could live. Fuck Skype.
Gl33D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was by microsoft though? And also it had dropped out of popularity years before skype was bought by microsoft mostly thanks to the god awful 2011 and 2012 versions
RantingBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The 2011 and 2012 editions blowed too.
But damn it, I remember.
Gl33D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Msn was great i clung on until the very end because i had an early windows mobile device (6.1) before smart phones where common i lovee the crap out of that thing and being able to msn anywhere wqs amazing as a kid
DeluxeTraffic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Skype first came out I actually enjoyed using it, this was back in 2007/2008.
Slowly over time I began using it less and less because it was slow and uncomfortable to use.
The final straw was when Skype basically stood by and let me get hacked and didn't let me do anything about it. For context, back in 07/08 I was still a kid and I ended up creating 2 Skype accounts at some point on the same email account. I don't remember exactly why I did it, I think I had the idea of using them like people with multiple Instagram accounts use theirs nowadays. I never ended up using this new account past 2009 when I made it, and over time completely forgot about it.
Then one day, long after I had stopped using Skype, my family told me that I was on Skype sending links to weight loss pills. I quickly booted it back up and started searching for the problem and what had happened was this. My main account was technically fine, I changed the password and everything but it wasn't compromised. But the second account that I made was in fact compromised, and of you have 2 accounts on the same email, Skype basically merges them without telling you.
My password for the second account was probably much much weaker because I didn't make good passwords back when I made it. When whoever it was got in, they could message everyone from my main account.
It gets better, I contacted Skype to delete my rogue account, but because I didn't know the login details or security questions (I presume those got added/changed by the hackers) Skype wouldn't let me delete that account even though it was registered to the same email I use to this day.
I realized this was a blessing in disguise as I no longer had any reason to keep that godawful program around, so what I did is I blocked every single contact on my list on my main account, then proceeded to delete the main account. Without my main account there whoever had my old Skype account probably can't pretend to be me while messaging, since my second account used a joke name and picture.
tl;dr Skype merges a hacked account on my email with my account, doesn't let me delete hacked account, I say goodbye to Skype forever
Ne00123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is officially cancer
_S_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This stuff has got to be unique to the home edition or something. I have never seen any of the annoyances people complain about but i have pro so maybe that's why.
Xylow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I uninstalled it, I'm using Discord now since I only use Skype for text messages and calls.
Ashen_Chef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username fits
ciko2283 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard of AVG? Good luck uninstalling that
KoviCZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got rid of it years ago back on Windows 7. No regrets.
Heavyoak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
use this: https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ to clense your system, and then use https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer to see what is running and stopping your uninstalls from being sucessful.
5thEditionFanboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why I paid extra to put 7 on my rig. Still a little bloat, but without all the general Windows 10 cancer
hid3y0shi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I have to keep it for work, I can't stand it anymore.
eqleriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not what "bloatware" is. bloatware refers to the state of the software itself.
skype is part of default windows apps so you didn't actually uninstall it, try google for help
FogeltheVogel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I installed Skype on my new school laptop last month. Kept autostarting, and no obviously way to stop it from doing that.
Turns out: the only way to turn off autostart is by first logging in! Who the hell designs these things?
wakaawak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft had 2 gems of messaging services through MSN and Skype - and they balked up both of them...
x33storm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype plugin for Pidgin: https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin
When you just want to use the IM, and only use one single client for all of them!
CirkuitBreaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:04 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That behavior sounds more like malware to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i always kind of wondered why skype got as big as it did in the first place, for text and voice there were always far better alternatives and while i can't name any off the top of my head i'm sure there was one for video as well.
what's the draw for using skype?
DaftFunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to tell you this but Windows entirely is bloatware.
Kleptomatikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord Master Race
Teh_Raider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh how the mediocre have fallen.
Zenniverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I switched to Discord recently and Iโm never going back.
Atello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until you work for a company that uses skype.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was bloatware a long time ago dude
peenoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best part is I have to use Skype for work, because my company has some deal with Microsoft. Let me tell you just how much I love using Outlook, OneDrive, Skype, and Microsoft's amazing suite of Office webapps. They aren't complete trash and don't make me want to pull my hair out every day. They definitely are NOT THE WORST.
olov244 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate installing it for other people, but if that's what they want....... I refuse to on my stuff
Degru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, now you won't have to install it for other people; it will install itself!
P0NT13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna punch that little smiley fucking icon in the throat
ShadowDandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which?
P0NT13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:45 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one updating my bloatware
GauntletV2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that bad tho? Am I out of the loop or something?
tough_guy_toby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've disabled the updates on my PC and phone for this exact reason because the old Skype still works and is pretty good
Flygoow_FR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username check out
i_am_Jarod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried zoom the other day I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the communication and the ease to establish it. Waaaay above skype.
Lurking_Grue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the shitty UWP version of skype?
Nulfar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think your dell laptop is missing an L.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 LTSB. Just installed it today. Very happy.
Tebasaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the X button doesn't close the program.
NamelessWing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eeew! Devs gross me out everytime they try to do something like this. That's an instant uninstall for me. :/
I finally heed thy call, oh, all mighty Discord!
Slay3d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype has fallen behind discord far too much, no adjustment of independent audio levels? That's such a basic feature. Screen share to pick up all windows and not black out when flipping tabs. Come on
supersheeep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord pls
jtrolfsen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went into programx86 a while ago and delete every skype file, hasnt come back sincs
Eddy_795 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to unistall Skype for business, it took me to the Uninstall window and it wasnt there. Shady windows 10.
BillCream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see Discord is doing well.
throwawayacc1230 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An alternative to skype might be Riot. Offers a beta end to end encryption option and is fully open source.
josiahisanerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I switched to macOS for everything but gaming, itโs honestly a lot cleaner in this regard.
james0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!remindme 2 days
Survivalisbest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to discord!
Jake_ar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype has always been bloatware, it even clogs up important ports causing web development to be a pain.
Use FaceTime, teamspeak, or any other face calling app. Never download skype.
Whatever_It_Takes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powershell doesn't work so don't try it lol.
jihiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe there was two skypes on your computer. the windows store skype and the desktop app.
NightOfTheLivingHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did this on my phone too.
I removed the app.
suddenly while I'm texting, skype pops back up with a chat notification, and it was somehow installed again. removed it and the APK manually.
Skype is installed with win10 updates and is forcibly tied into windows 10 as well.
MT_Flesch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anytime i uninstall anything, i go through the registry and remove the associated keys and search the filesystem for any other related files that are lurking in unusual places
DarthBane1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was bundled with Window 7 on my laptop so it's been for a while... maybe just new to 10 but it definitely isn't the first time it has been bloatware
mockanters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird, Iโve never even search Skype on my computer but itโs in my taskbar
ehngage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never use skype either, just checked and it is indeed installed on my pc. I'd switch to linux if I understood it :/
armandg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give Solus a try, it's made to be easy =)
ehngage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks =) I'm gonna look in to dual booting a small linux drive so I can learn it, and eventually swap over when I'm more comfortable. The biggest worry is how many games won't I be able to play any more
armandg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's on Steam, it's on Linux. Would advise you to read up on how your graphics card work under Linux.
ehngage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:02 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the games I play on steam don't have linux support, at least they don't claim to.
armandg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:44 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I forgot the support is per game. Still you are able to play the Windows games through a virtual machine.
mockanters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, but Iโm pretty sure itโs for like developers or something. And most games arenโt optimized for it. D:
Marshmallow_mercy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!remindme 25 hours
JDLovesElliot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that Surface tablet? The wireless adapter on mine constantly loses connection and will freeze the screen.
yeti_fister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord for the win!
jarhead95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is dead may never die
that_baddest_dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When has Skype NOT been bloatware?
Alstro20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can see you have ShareX installed. Why did you take a picture of your screen?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, just re-format.
Moyer1666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally never installed it and I keep seeing it on both my laptop and desktop.
lookmaiamonreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like boot sector Trojan. Or rootkit.
LeftyGuiino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if your problem have been resolved but there is an amazing app called geek.exe that will uninstall skype(and other programs) and every file Skype has on your computer too. Hope it helps
gabest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't understand the a collaboration tool needs take up as little screen space as possible. Also, no always on top mode, to stay above the program you are working with.
dBRenekton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone fill me in? Is this a Windows 10 thing?
Are there limitations to what you can uninstall?
Why does this sound beyond fucked up?
Calvinishere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes Yes Because its bloatware
Treyzania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows has officially been bloatware since 8.
Endlesslurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will come in handy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFW you never installed skype in the first place and you only have it on your IOS so uninstalling it completely is super easy (but their way of shoving the updates down my throat makes me wanna bomb the shit out of their headquarters)
OptionalCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype is part of Windows update. It is going to keep coming back.
I noticed on a new Windows 7 install that after all of the updates, Skype was there. I didn't install it.
So I just had to go to msconfig and just kill the ability of the program to start up.
SirMonkeyFood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuuucccck skype. All it has to do is the bare minimum and I'd be happy. The 'x' button not closing the app fukin gets to me. The fact that a stupid call windows also pops up always interferes with my games and casually makes it impossible to click in that region.
ragehavoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laptops/phones/tablets come with a lot of bloatware these days and are almost impossible to remove, I typically install a brand new OS if possible whenever I buy any of these products, even if I have to jailbreak it, it is worth it.
ShaanOSRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:32 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once they fully add cam and share screen to discord, Skype will deservingly be a thing of the past..
jerdub1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had Windows 10 since it released and I don't think I've ever had Skype installed. How are people getting this shit?
Arabaster77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently got a new computer no skype installed, and the same message popped up. I think Windows sponsored it or something.
zoomer296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft owns it.
Arabaster77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There ya go it ain't bloatware just Microsoft advertising their product.
PlasticCoffee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved
vwibrasivat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warning to all Windows 10 users
: Skype in win10 keeps all conversation history forever, with no option to delete it. It is even rumored to duplicate all your conversation's text "onto the cloud". Deleting Skype history is still possible in win 8.1 , so this feature"s disappearance is new.
kingslayerer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay!!!... Let's make my pc more hackable!!
_starkafterdark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It did me the same way. I uninstalled it as soon as I got by Windows 10 laptop and after updates, it popped right back up and immediately logged me into an old account that I only ever used for like a day. So irritating.
steakncheese1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's worse? I got two copies. Skype for business and the one that keeps installing itself. Lol
Sezhe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elevated powershell prompt:
get-appxpackage | where {$.name -notlike "calc" -and $.name -notlike "store"} | remove-appxpackage
get-appxprovisionedpackage -online | where {$.displayname -notlike "calc" -and $.displayname -notlike "store"} | remove-appxprovisionedpackage -online
First one will remove all the shitty W10 bloatware for the current user. Second one will remove the installers for the bloatware so that any other account won't have them automatically installed.
__Finnster__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the reasons my friends and I switched to Discord.
Theomatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me in 2 days
Tar-eruntalion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:58 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is sad they sacrificed msn for this shit
StaffroomFruit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's no different than iMessage or FaceTime.bundling.
So.. still kinda annoying
younoenglish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving for later
sean_kim0327 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And thats why Discord exists
daydr33mer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit windows 10!
Zeeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is the app version which that looks like and the computer version, you can have both installed at the same time
FollowingtheMap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woohoo! I'm back again!
argv_minus_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shao Kahn to Skype: โIt's official. You suck.โ
Yamezj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why after my humble ascension I never installed Skype. Who even needs Skype when you have discord anyway?
7Seyo7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't installed any Anti-W10 programs and I never get it installed. I wonder why it's so keen on your PC.
kimaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:12 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, never had it force-install on my pc.
welshboy14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the PC's in our workplace have recently been upgraded to office 365... A good % of them are now suffering from 100% disk usage due to Skype! Well played MS
Jabulon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some programmers think they can use your pc how they see fit
peter1122999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell us something we don't know... ๐
Ca9ine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thread saved!
snowfishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thx
CuffRox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype has realized how obsolete they're becoming with the existence of Discord, so they feel the need to brute force it onto our machines. A pity.
AB6Daf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
AB6Daf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No better time to switch to Discord!
MomiziWolfie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hay, now i remember why i never upgraded to windows 10
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was bugging me to update like every fucking time i used it for 2 years. i finally gave in.
Trav2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the reason I miss XpLite or VistaLite program to bad Microsoft shut them down.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved for later
Mdogg2005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With Discord getting screen sharing and video calls there's absolutely no reason to even have this bullshit anymore.
TeHNeutral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:22 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disabled that motherfucker
Cerberos_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Posted by Never_asked_for_this"
PM_UR_DEAD_HOOKERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
welcome to desired state configuration
jclv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ResistanceUninstallation is futile.tom641 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a few friends that still cling to Skype because their other friends still cling to Skype. I wonder how much of their userbase is only using skype because everyone else is.
sgtsixpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thx for this.
RedditorWhoLovesTech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:08 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hail Discord
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Windows 10, where shit happens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord killed Skype.
AngryFanboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't even fucking operate properly on my PC. Can't recognise the sound card apparently. I just use my phone like a sucker.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poopware
AresPhobos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:02 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet in Windows 11, Skype will be baked into the OS and not removable at all like Cortana.
FeFiFoShizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya it's pretty wak. Can't stand Skype tbh.
freddyjdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hehehehe looks like somethings donโt want to die.
Sawyex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
January 2016. Already barely using Skype as is. Friend tells me about Discord. 5 minutes of having Discord pass, and I uninstall Skype forever.
frizbee2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:03 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/TronScript can help you take care of that.
unrulycokebottle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
waaaake me up inside
WilliamifyXD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:29 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out
Cheesepotato999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:22 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of times that app crashes on me when I want to use it, the net code is trash on it(I wouldn't be able to understand them on Skype but in overwatch they come through clear as day),
Honestly discord is so much better and user friendly with the slight down side of no video
bebpis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:25 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surface master race
siraly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replying for Lager review
Bravecamel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:32 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
those fuckers!
nuclearnarwhal21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:28 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"So is Edge", I whispered.
joh2141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:37 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using Skype once they tried too hard forcing their way into every user interface I know. Fuck Skype. Use discord or any others that don't insist on polluting your shit with more shit.
pooreg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shit doesn't even work well with windows 10
dxlta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:58 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny story - one of my neighborโs was one of the heads of Skype, and I always talked to him about how Skype was so vastly used by business people, and how other applications (such as Discord) were used among the vastly larger computer population - the video game players. Of course, I wonโt go into detail about it, but he did mention some really large updates in the future for Skype. Specifically the mobile version.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
D I S C O R D
aryanchaurasia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MaximumFrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:18 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP
Lucky1941 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:05 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great. As if launching every fucking time I launch my PC and requiring three clicks to close instead of one wasn't enough...
GIDAMIEN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:00 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg awesome
soundwave145 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:08 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone just make it into a program for me, im laz
pigglybiggly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:51 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Djdb
AscarRouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:15 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive never liked skype
DamnFog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:49 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10, never again.
FourNinerXero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never asked for this
jpchato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:13 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intredasting
snow__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:42 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to read this tomorrow
AnAncientMonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:10 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that saddens me to no end
aldriglikvid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:42 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there an app/software that allows you with a UI to disable/enable these Windows 10 features?
I like the idea but perhaps I don't want to disable everything in the txt/bat file.
Slaughter_round ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:45 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do I uninstall Skype For Business from my education package I got for free from my collage?
WirelessTrees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:00 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By far the worst part about it is that this notification is at least 4 times louder than other notifications and you cannot mute it.
igor33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:14 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have also found this program to be helpful: https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ "Spybot Anti-Beacon is a standalone tool which was designed to block and stop the various tracking (telemetry) issues present inย Windows 10. It has since been modified to block similar tracking functionality inย Windows 7,ย Windows 8ย andย Windows 8.1ย operating systems."
thomas30486 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:30 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, the whole windows 10 operating system is bloatware.
PlaygroundBully ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:41 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice, I need to run this
Winhert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:48 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tfw your parents still use skype and you have no choice
Fatticus_matticus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:31 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tagging for later reference
autobored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:26 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely sped things up, but I altered list to keep certain apps like calculator.
floood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:29 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this get rid of the windows store? I would like to keep that since I do use it for Halo 5 and my Xbox Play Anywhere games.
If it does what part do I have to take out to keep it?
Thanks for your help!
conservativeliberal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:34 on October 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i always kind of shit
sulton_tom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:37 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i always kind of pop-ups.
username_clone-p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:45 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't even opened it since I started in business sales, and which I can convince my relatives to use another thing, and Skype may as well as screen sharing soon enough
imtheshane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:05 on October 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:16 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The standard for laptops should be to come with clean OS and nothing else.
originalswockan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:01 on November 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got really tired of win10 and went back to 7 for a long time but then I found out about LTSB....why in the hell doesn't microsoft provice this to all customers? People would actually PAY for that version. NO skype.. NO nothing! Not even a preinstalled browser? Heaven!
JoeyBustaCap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:55:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still run windows 7 on my gaming PC, but I have a sort of cheap laptop that I like to use for couch browsing etc. Win 10 finally slowed it down so bad I just wiped it and installed Linux and couldn't be happier. Haven't tested impact on games yet.
Steelbath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correction. Windows is officially bloatware
CureTheDerp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 as a whole, is bloatware.
thw1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LTSB is the way to go.
3030sonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's something wrong with people in this world now if they still use Skype. Come on guys, Discord isn't that hard to understand.
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord is for gamers. Discord is akin to slack and nothing like Skype.
thegame2531 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about all of the times where I was talking to my friends on discord and I wasn't playing a game? What makes discord exclusive to gamers?
Diknak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's marketed towards gamers where Skype is marketed towards professionals.
AridZachdeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except skype is garbage in every way lol.
Diknak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, not really. For 1:1 conversations it's pretty good and reliable. Certainly better than SMS and pretty much everyone has a skype account.
zHHk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We used Skype at work for the longest time until I finally managed to talk our boss into using Slack. Between Slack and Discord I dropped Skype completely.
Pyrobob4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With video calls and screenshare coming to Discord, I really see no reason to even consider Skype anymore.
Especially on mobile. New Skype is actual trash.
mokacoffay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a windows 10 thing?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just get discord dude
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of the post is that they got rid of Skype to use another thing, and Skype is back.
I_amnotreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ditched skype for discord quite a while ago and I never looked back.
TheThankUMan88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is getting really bold with forcing software on you. I don't want Cortana you hoe. Also I'm not using the search menu to search the web, I'm looking for files on my computer.
CanadianBlade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:21 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discord squad
ShylockSimmonz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah stuff like this is why I stripped 10 from my system years ago. No program should be installed without my say so.
mark1s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Gentoo
YOLANDILUV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would you uninstall skype?
WingedWinter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:36 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why even use skype nowadays when you can have Discord lol.
Diknak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:15:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they target different users?
Bubbaganewsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have turned absolutely all privacy shit off on Windows 10 as well as not let apps run in the background. I don't have cortana or Skype or anything on my computer I don't want. If you take a little time you can make windows.10 pretty clean. I also use spybot telemetry blocker ( whatever its called) which doesn't let windows "phone home".
mrchaotica ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:17:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck keeping it simultaneously updated and secure!
Bubbaganewsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it updates I check all the settings again and make sure its still all turned off. Been no problems so far, I get updates and I'm not giving all my personal info to microshaft.
Most people have no idea how.much information win 10 sends to Microsoft to " improve your experience". Well my experience.is fine and I don't send anything to them. I would suggest everyone go to their start menu and type in privacy settings and see for yourself how much shit is turned on. I turned absolutely everything off and had no problems so far.
mrchaotica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:50 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You "check settings" and think you're fine? You poor, naive bastard.
The only way to know you're not giving personal info to Microsoft is to run a packet sniffer on your router and make sure you can account for the contents of every single packet. (Or not use Windows, of course.)
Bubbaganewsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spent days combing the internet for all the ways to block windows sending data and think I got them all. I didn't run wireshark or any other utility to watch packets as I couldn't be bothered but it doesn't matter as I feel i have done as much as I can to keep my data private.maybe I didn't get it all but I will guarantee what i have done is better than doing nothing and much better than most people have done. Since I work for a company that values privacy I have picked up a few things but thanks for the concern. I will stick with Windows because fighting another OS to get my games and specialty software I use to work isn't worth it.
mrchaotica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're right about that, but I also think it's not a high bar to clear.
I'd like to hang a lampshade on the fact that you just said your games are more important than your privacy.
I mean, if that's really how you feel then that's your decision, but I can't help but think you might not have considered it quite that way before.
I also find myself wondering what specialty software you use to work won't run in a Windows VM on a Linux host (where you can firewall it to use only the network connections that particular piece of software needs).
Bubbaganewsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use VMware at work all the time, i know its capabilities and usefulness but really don't want to Fuck around with it at home, I just want to use my computer. Yes I put my games above my privacy in this case because anyone looking at my computer won't find my real name anywhere anyways, just like most of my online accounts. I didn't set up my computer with my name so all people would find is Heywood JeBlowme so if they want to steal that its fine by me.
Listen I get where you're coming from but I set up esxi hosts and VMware workstation machines at work all the time as well as domains and whatever else is needed for control systems. When I get home I don't want any part of that, I just want to sit down and play a game with the limited time I have. Yea you like linux and I said good on you, it's a great OS but it's not for me.
Plus I use vypr VPN at home which isn't the be all and end all but it helps.
Our_GloriousLeader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This week my Windows 10 somehow bypassed all the ways I'd turned off updates and started updating again. Fortunately I spotted it and deactivated everything before I too was beset by pop-ups and restarts.
Stay ever vigilant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is cancer.
Last year I completely disabled all update-related shit on Windows. Couldn't stand it anymore.
I wish there was more competition and inter-OS program compatibility, instead of just Windows-for-Geeks and Windows-for-Starbucks.
lordcirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you actually tried Linux much? Lack of compatibility is annoying, but it's still great for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:46 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I have. It has its pros and cons compared to Windows, but ultimately, Linux, OS X and Windows are in the same ballpark.
With our technological capabilities, I find Windows & Co to be rather primitive, especially when it comes to user interfaces and user friendliness.
lordcirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:13 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Linux awaits your pull requests!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, just shoot me already
lordcirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of how we got here, we've all got the same choices - suffer silently, complain, or fix it.
yoyanai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is bloatware.
spencergl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was so upset the other day. My group switched to discord a while back because skype was beyond unusable, so when I had to do a fresh install of windows a few months after that, I was excited to finally be rid of Skype (desktop) and not make the unfortunate mistake of doing first-time setup for the "mobile app". Well, last week, I needed to get windows 365 for class and it comes as one big install package and....there it was. So it's safe to say that my PC has been compromised.
Sennheisol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a reminder that windows 10 sucks cock
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are u using the weird skype app, or the normal program? It's not like that for me.
erdemece ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are these stuff dont happens to me but some guy? Posts here and everybody complaining about it even they don't have problem with it.
I have been using windows 10 since it was beta and I have ever seen a popup or similar stuff.
If you look at any other OS, all of them come with tools that you can't remove. With windows 10 you can easily do it. I have skype desktop and uninstall the skype prewiev app just by right clicking and uninstall. Never came back.
InkFoxclaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:42 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"As soon as Discord gets screen sharing and video, I'll finally uninstall Skype"
Finally got into the video beta a week or two ago, feels so good.
worm_dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype functions as bloatware in a number of ways (such as being difficult to close the program), but the biggest issue I have with it is no support for two factor authentication.
Skype accounts are regularly hacked, and that's a big problem given that they're now linked with Microsoft accounts. It's a massive hole in their security, and it blows my mind that Microsoft hasn't gotten skype in shape after years of this garbage.
Jimbuscus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait for Discord to finally bring video chat out of beta, once they add in-game text chat they will be unstoppable
CouncilOfMorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL people still use Skype.
zoahporre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:52 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people have to for work
CouncilOfMorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:42 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife being one of them, unluckily for her.
Streelydan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:55 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not bloatware, that's a virus
conley97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I hate Skype. My work still requires it, what programs could I suggest to replace it? It seems like everyone is using it, and switching would be difficult.
Content_Policy_New ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its NSA spyware too
Randolph__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm moving over to linux
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just install discord
Ninclemdo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would switch to discord if there wasn't that one friend who insists on using skype
JaySmo16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a friend if he uses skype. Edit: aye same processor!
alexzoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to use Skype every day of my life to talk to my group while playing games. Then it slowly killed itself by removing useful features and adding terrible ones. Getting slower and more resource consuming over time. Sad story. Good thing discord exists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:39 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate what Skype has become.
PSA: Use Discord, or literally anything else
Were_Doomed_arent_we ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:25:31 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow two days in a row of you pissing and moaning about Skype.
Sorry to hear you dont understand what the term bloatware means but can you show us on the doll where microsoft touched you?
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:41:45 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They showed you on the screenshot. What more do you want?
Were_Doomed_arent_we ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A basic understanding of what bloatware is maybe?
Skype is part of windows 10 and for better or worse unless you disable notifications it tells you when things get updated. This dude spent two days bitching about skype over multiple posts instead of googling how to turn skype off or disable its notifications.
MadKlauss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:15:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering about that too. At the same time I'm saddened by what Skype has become. I remember starting to use it back in 2005 when Microsoft didn't have a hand in it. It was the best program 15 year old me had ever used.
Kofilin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:18 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I found the problem
Hedhunta ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:29 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm too stupid to turn notifications in Windows 10 off"
It's not even installed. Unless you only uninstalled the desktop program and not the app that comes pre-installed with Windows 10.
If you hate MS so much why don't you go play on Linux(lol) or Mac.
fnkarnage ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:07:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you until you laughed at Linux
Hedhunta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorry, i actually love linux for certain tasks, but gaming is not one of them.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:11:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Linux is dead, it's so 2005
lordcirth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:12:43 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works fine for me, thanks!
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:27:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Steeva ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't exactly a good counter-argument there, bub.
-0-7-0- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
most games aren't optimized for linux.
BatofSpace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:52:35 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of windows 10 is bloatware.
Barsukas_Tukas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:17:57 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you are using Windows, so no surprise here.
Josef_Joris ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean ur using windows 10? You get whats comming for you.
shroudedwolf51 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:32:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes. The most recent iteration of the anti-Microsoft circlejerk.
I remember the days when WinXP was supposedly the worst thing in existence and was going to destroy the world or whatever.
Josef_Joris ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:10 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mmm yes, I am also a windows 7 user.
Blackfelixyz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:56:17 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hello im new to all of this, what is bloatware?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:01:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is officially bloatware duh
JojoizSupreme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:38:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
skype is dead MS
Hexorg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:57:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have skype installed and windows keeps telling me to install skype...
I think I have the desktop version of skype installed and windows wants me to install some integrated-into-windows version. Because you know, two versions of skype for windows are different...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to kill the "try Skype" application too.
Lanhdanan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:05:40 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skype died the day MS bought it. I uninstalled it the day it was announced.
KindaConfusedIGuess ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:53:33 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that you're running Windows 10. If you'd like to actually have control over your own PC, you should upgrade to Windows 7.
jul2040 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
username checks out
ThePlatinumPenguinHD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:28 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My job is why I started using macs, but windows 10 is why I won't be going back.
thewhatforhow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:03 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're getting desperate. They know people hate Skype now.
_Fizzroy ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 10:38:25 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Delete it with ccleaner. In this way you can actually delete a lot of Win10 crapware and never worry about it again. ...or so I hope.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:41:30 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_Fizzroy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:36:41 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not. Ccleaner's installer contained maicious code, which never worked and is now removed. Calm your tits.
Osbios ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 10:44:53 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo Dawg we herd you like to remove malware so we put malware in your anti malware so you can remove malware from your anti malware!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:46:15 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:48:59 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 10:51:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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insanelyphat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:03:49 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe read the article... the server was sinkholed so nothing malicious. New update has everything removed. Only certain update had the issue and can be fixed easily. There was no botnet, ransomware or keyloggers.
Atrixia ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:12:14 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never let the truth get in the way of a good scaremonger. I heard it turned your PC into an ISIS cell btw
_Fizzroy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:35:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it wasn't. Read the statement they provided. The malware never worked and the installer is clean now. Infected versions started at 3.53 or smth and have been since removed.
MrCrashdummy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:55:23 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any good alternative for it?
_Fizzroy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:40:27 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need any. Cclear is fine. The removed the malicious code. On top of that, the worm never worked since the server it pointed to was killed.
jaities ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:23:47 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:00 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bricka_Bracka ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:57:19 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner fixed the malware issue already.
New versions are fine. Don't act like its rare for a program to be invaded by malware nowadays.
mrchaotica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:54 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never gotten malware from the Debian repository...
ItsKipz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:02:51 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but it is tho
RangerSix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:18:20 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Generally speaking, it's not that rare.
This specific type of incident, where a development environment was compromised? That is rare; I think there's only been one similar incident before (the MeDoc/NotPetya thing).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:48:11 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sable17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:07:34 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CCleaner was only a problem with the 32-bit version. Who uses a 32-bit OS nowadays anyway?
Superpickle18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:07 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you dont trust ccleaner because one of their servers got comprised? You realize this is very common, and could have been through an exploit that they had little control of? For all we know, it could've been an exploit with the Linux kernel.... Now who's too blame?
Gankswitch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:24 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this entire thread makes me dread the day I'm forced to switch from win7 to 10 or whatever obnoxious abomination we'll be using then
alexanderyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:48 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reason number 10032 why windows 10 is a shitty idea. Not only the entire thing is worse designed than 7, but they also push bloatware and spyware as defaults.
MountainManGuy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:06 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you didn't uninstall it. You should make it a habit to check the program files folder after uninstalling something. A lot of times programs leave stuff behind and it's good to manually delete the folder.
fabulousprizes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:44 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:50 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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G0rd0nGekk0 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:46:37 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bee Beep IM is so much better and cleaner than Skype โ๏ธ
NekoiNemo ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 13:34:05 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're using Win10 - you have lost your right to complain.
Hiyami ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:56 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUL WINDOWS 10 LUL ITS NOT BLOATWARE ON MY WINDOWS 7 BITCHES
zoomer296 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:01 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think again, bitch.
Hiyami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:26 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres nothing to think about....ive uninstalled it perfectly. LUL
zoomer296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:42 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I T S R I G H T B E H I N D Y O U
Hiyami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:08 on September 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH