Right, but with an SSD using sleep mode isn't really necessary, since boot times are so short. I've read that sometimes they have trouble coming out of sleep, not sure if there's any truth to that though.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:55:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use sleep mode because I want my stuff open where I left it, aside from that it's no different.
And that's only an issue with people who wanted to put the SSD as their secondary drive in their MacBooks (because the primary one is the one with the drop sensor that stops the HDD to prevent damage), but boot from it, when waking from sleep it'd try and restore sleep from the primary drive.
As far as using it as your first drive and sleep with it, it works perfectly fine, even for MacBooks.
Auparo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:05:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can use hibernate for that then. I use hibernate over sleep because I turn off the power brink entirely(my desk is in my room. The lights from monitors are aggravating at night sometimes)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just unplugged my case LED, it's dark even when it's on.
As far as monitors go, just make sure to avoid monitors that blink blue on standby, I gave away a 1080p Samsung monitor due to that shit, now have a BenQ and a Dell, both just glow a dim Orange on standby.
When you enable hibernate with an SSD, it partitions a section equal to your RAM, in which to write the current system state. Not sure if it does it with HDD also.
It can be a problem for people that use the SSD as their boot disk, and have an 60-80gig or something, with 32 GB of RAM. Suddenly, a significant portion goes to being able to hibernate.
Auparo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just writing the contents of RAM to the disk. If you had 4/8b of ram in use when you hibernate, it would write 4gb to the 8gb hibernation file (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). It wouldn't wear at the SSD much more than normal use though. On modern SSDs hibernating isn't an issue other than possibly massive hiberfil.sys file.
that's true, but it partitions that space, so it doesn't really matter if you have 4 of 8, 2 of 8, or even .25 of 8, you still have 8 gb of space dedicated to hibernation.
I used to boot up, get a glass of water/coffee or use the bathroom (or both) then I'd sit down and still had time before the login would come up. Now I don't even have time to get a cup of coffee.
But are all your programs open exactly as they were when you turned of the PC? I never reboot unless I have to because it is annoying to load 20 tabs in Chrome, open programs etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind my boot times, I just turn on my PC and go grab snacks or water in the meantime.
I'm going to feel so off balanced when I get around to buying an SSD for Windows :p
There's more to it than just boot times, though. If you've got a decent amount of RAM, Windows will use as much of it as possible to cache data from the harddrive (or the SSD), which will make reloading and reopening apps and files much faster the second time around. You lose that cache when you reboot, slowing your overall experience down massively.
I haven't noticed any particular slow down when I reboot every day. My hard disk programs take a bit longer to load but even that isn't that bad. My system is just over a year old, so it's still fresh.
Try timing it for yourself - open an app, close it, then try opening it again. The second time it will be cached into memory, and it should open a lot faster. That second-time opening speed boost is the benefit you lose when you reboot your system.
Math says it costs ~0.89โฌ a month to keep it on every night, automatic sleep mode puts that price to close to zero. I'll pay that to not have to restart my programs in the morning. Afaik windows can wake up a pc for scheduled updates in the middle of the night though.
Windows can indeed wake from sleep mode up to install updates, it also irritatingly wakes me from my sleep as well to do it. You can disable the timer that does this, except it seems from time to time certain updates seem to reset the timer back to its original setting and starting the whole infuriating cycle over again.
Some places it is negligible. My lunch at work is 10 times more expensive than my daily electricity bill. The computer stays on. I remote home enough times that it is worth it.
I actually have considered that, but because of the nutritional value. I ultimately find my cooking atrocious and would rather spend that time working, so I go early to work.
ReyasWI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:26 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My computer has a very hard time starting up these days. Once it's running, there's no problem, but I'm worried one day I'm gonna hit the power button and Big Anders will just start coughing up blood.
My electricity is free, as I have "all utilities paid" included in my apartment bill. I reboot my PC once a month. I also run my AC 24/7. I should really think about mining some bitcoin...
It depends on your hardware. Rebooting with a hard disk can be slow as shite, but faster with a SSD. Keeping your PC on is fine, but I prefer to turn off almost everything before I go to sleep, because random shit can happen in the middle of the night. I don't want my PC to be affected by electrical demons is what I'm trying to say.
I've always wondered about this. I wonder how many bitcoin mining rigs you can setup before the police apply for a search warrant under suspicion of running a grow house.
I looked up bitcoin mining and right now it seems that even if your electricity is free, it's hard to make back the cost of your hardware. So much for that idea.
I turn mine off at night. When I had Win 10 installed, it would turn my computer on overnight. Back to 7 for me.
AgeKayn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to unplug mine or it starts by itself at 3 am to install an update. Coming home after a few days of absence and seeing the blinking power LED is really infuriating.
I used to just sleep my PC at night, but my new motherboard won't let me turn off the flashing power light during sleep so now I just shut it down. Boot time is so fast sleep is a waste anyways, unless you'll be back in a couple hours or something.
Dizman7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I shut mine off on weeknights, but leave it on (but in sleep mode) on weekends.
I put mine to sleep, I do not have a ssd though so it takes a while to boot up
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I turn mine off when I'm not using it. Might not save that much, but I'd still rather have that money in my pocket than the electric company's. The extra boot time is a non-issue with SSDs now.
I remember coming across an ongoing forum debate many years ago (think it was on Guru3D), that repeated power cycles damaged hardware due to thermal stress. That's why they all left their systems on 24/7. As someone who likes to get thorough use out of his gadgets, I've never once came across a part failing because of this. Maybe on the early last gen consoles, but that was due to inadequate cooling.
Dont worry, Microsoft will get around that by sending someone to your house, knocking you out while your asleep (might not be necessary, this is extra punishment) and put your computer back together and install windows 10, as a bonus, it probaly wont start and you will be forced into troubleshooting over your weekend....dont even think about going back to windows 8.1 or lower, that lump on your head should be a reminder.
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:12:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unattended? Last night I was In a late night CS GO match and my PC straight up restarted and updated me to Windows 10..i wasn't even ready to issue it to update
Happened to me. On my fiancรฉ's laptop, Windows 10 update comes up, delay to later without reading, and a few hours later in Civ 5 it just restarts and updates to Windows 10. Fuck...
I like Windows 10, but on her laptop no audio drivers work for it so you get no audio...the audio drivers that say are for Windows 10 just give an error "device not found" when the device took me to that website.
No. Windows won't restart unless YOU postpone the update.
b10011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:25:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it have been doing that. In the middle of match my computer just restarts and says "updates installed". It haven't asked me if I want to postpone or not, it just restarts.
baolin21 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 08:26:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it doesn't "just restart" because Windows won't do it unless you tell it to.
b10011 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:30:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so nice you tell that to me even though it has done it two times past week and it didn't ask anything.
Windows is shit, I just hope AAA titles comes to Linux with services like ESEA on some day ;_;
Oh and what is this "automatic scheduling" sounds like it doesn't fucking ask for my permission to restart... Next time don't share your "facts" before you have researched the subject and know those are facts!
baolin21 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:33:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't force any updates on me at all. The last one that it did was because I updated it.
So you had to have seen the update, said "no update later" this postponing the update (and windows doesn't check what processes are running, only if you told an update "not now") and then it restarted conveniently both times during games.
b10011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check my edit and I don't give a single fuck if it doesn't force them on you. It forces them for me and that is the thing I care of. No, I haven't seen anything ask me to tell it to not update now. It just restarts mid-match.
baolin21 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:29:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't play shitty games, take the hint.
b10011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go play cod you filthy peasant #CSMasterRace
Also it's not problem with the game, the problem is the shitty operating system. And yes, I know you can play CSGO on Linux but I play ESEA and unfortunately enough you can't run ESEA client on Linux. Aaand yes I know of faceit but it's crap compared to ESEA...
baolin21 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:51:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only see two jokes here, CSGO and your shitty Windows joke.
b10011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, games usually are jokes for noobs. So for you all games are jokes, am I right?
Also the fact that you are wrong and then start insulting my gaming habits tells about your mental growth more than you'd want to admit.
baolin21 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a teenager, my mind is doing shit I don't even know. The reason I do it is cause I know I'm wrong.
b10011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:33 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what MILFs are correct? It means Mother I'd like to F*** They refer to really attractive mothers that you want to have sex with. Dilfs are the dad equivalent.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:31:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh, ok. now im sad it's not tapirs. but thanks for explaining.
mattv8 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 19:35:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had to uninstall/hide the "Get Windows 10" update so many times on my Surface that I have the update number memorized: KB3035583 . It's maddening.
Now imagine being on an OS where you can no longer choose to deny upgrades...
deeluna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:26:33 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't even have to do that. They just made the updates related to windows 10, and I mean all of them not just the gwx.exe, unhidable so that even if you hide it, they ignore your input and unhide on the next refresh of "available updates"
mattv8 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:17:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One would think, yet periodically that icon reappears in my taskbar forcing me to uninstall and rehide the update.
So glad to have Windows 7 Enterprise these days. I can't upgrade even I wanted to. I'll still get Win 10 when more games using DX12 are out and put it on a new SSD though.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dude jsut update your fucking surface. 10 is so much better on it. Fucking seriously I dont understand you fucking people
mattv8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have Win 10 on my desktop and I love it. However I strongly believe MS fucked up the touch interface for Win 10; Win 8.1 is much better for the Surface IMO.
As a few examples:
* The clock can be viewed in any app simply by swiping from the right edge
* Switching between apps is as simple from swiping from the left edge
* Settings for WiFi are more accessible in the charms bar
Ddevil5 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:09:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps one day we can play all of the games on Linux. Then you can do whatever the hell you want to your os AND play the latest titles.
Windows 10 installed an update for me on the 8th that pretty much rendered my computer useless. It would infinitely load with those little does. I had to restart it and hope it would go into recovery mode.
2 times I had to restore to an earlier date. I hope it doesn't find a way to update again.
i may be switching to linux and removing microsoft from my home
Just know that if you use AMD hardware (GPU) you will suffer a performance loss. AMD's linux driver suck ass compared to Nvidia's drivers or even AMD's own Windows drivers. Supposedly they'll get a lot better in the future.
There are also a number of devs who release low quality ports. We're talking lower performance, missing options, etc. Thankfully that number is shrinking and more devs are putting effort into their ports.
I say this without bias. I'm a Linux user AND my GPU is a 390 (yes, yes, I know; should have gone with a 390), I just thought I'd warn you.
My computer is used primarily for running my ebay shit. I do game a little bit but not too much. My friend put a evga graphics card in it but it does have amd processor.
Press Esc when it pop-up, the update window still appears but only in background and you stay in your game. That shit pissed me off cuz it lead to a lot of stupid death in Smite :(
I mean i just click the icon for the game at the top of the screen and im back in it....its as if i acidentslly pressed windows button. Fuck em, thats not what i paid for. They ruined their own product.
Dualbooting is a good option when transitioning. Resize your windows partition. Free up around 32gigs for linux and you'll be fine. As always, backup files just to be safe.
Install Linux, dual boot, and never look back. Microsoft is basically giving Windows 10 out for free because of the Windows store that is associated with it. They're pretty much betting the desktop farm on it. Linux already has over 2,000 games available to play on Steam, and we can expect to see a lot more in the coming months/years, especially with the recent release of AMD Vulcan. I used Microsoft Windows from the time I was 18, all the way until I was 38 years old, when I switched to OpenSuse Linux.
I love it. It is easily one of most beautiful operating systems in existence, imho, and it's incredibly slick. Linux has pretty much gotten to the point that you don't have to have any familiarity with the command line in order to use it, install programs, etc. However, you will eventually come across scenarios in which you have to familiarize yourself with basic command line usage if it becomes your default OS. Installation is also very easy, all of my drivers were installed automatically, and the first thing the installation did was enable multi-monitors (one of which is 1440p, Windows doesn't do this). Once you're on the desktop, a plethora of updates needs to be installed, but once that's done, everything just works- codecs, browser updates, 4k YouTube, it all works.
Virtually every program you can think of in Windows has an Linux, opensource equivalent, and there's far more eye candy in terms of themes, desktop effects, and windows decorations, than Windows could ever dream of. I'm so done with Windows for everyday usage, and I hate booting back into it just to play a game. Eventually, I'll get the hardware I need for direct i/o virtualization in Linux so that I can just run Windows in a virtual machine. I wish I would have switched a long time ago- I don't even need to run a anti-virus. Make the switch to Linux, if you don't like it for whatever reason, you can certainly move right back to Windoze...
Linux already has over 2,000 games available to play on Steam, and we can expect to see a lot more in the coming months/years, especially with the recent release of AMD Vulcan.
Vulkan is not from AMD, it's from Khronos. AMD developed Mantle, and part of that went into Vulkan, but there are major differences between Mantle and Vulkan too.
Let's be real though. 2000 games, sure. But not the majority of the ones people want to play.
Maybe it will change in the future, but it's still hard to justify the transition in the near future unless you want to give up a lot of your current/future library.
I can't argue with having to boot into Windows to play certain games, but do you really want to browse Reddit in Windows??? I know I don't, and the more I use Linux, the less I like Windows. All I'm saying is to dual boot, do your Reddit browsing, and play your Linux compatible games in Linux, switch to Windows only when necessary. What we need is numbers on Steam Linux in order to convince game studios that the numbers are there for triple A title releases on Linux. We just need a majority of the desktop gaming community to switch to Linux for their everyday desktop usage, and everything else will happen naturally.
EDIT- Running Linux is like casting a vote in an important election- you are counted. On which side do we want the scale to fall???
Yeah, there are plenty of games I would enjoy on Linux, but can I give up all the windows exclusives?
Not yet.
This is where dual boot can be nice, but then you have to restart for those windows games.
DX12 will likely maintain a strong Windows exclusive library going forward as well. Vulkan will offer more competition finally, but there will still be a lot of dx12 games, you can count on it.
Maybe it will change in the future, but it's still hard to justify the transition in the near future unless you want to give up a lot of your current/future library.
Wont change to Linux because it has no games. Game Devs wont make game for Linux because of lack of market share.
Eventually you have to decided if you want MS to control your computer and gaming or not.
I do. They've done a fantastic job at it for the last 20+ years of my life. Linux has definitely not.
Crack on then buddy, enjoy privacy settings getting turned back off/on, your computer updating whenever it feels like, getting spied on... yada yada yada... What do you think even started this thread?!
I honestly don't get you people. This is a thread of people complaining about the OS that other people use. If he wants to use Windows then let him. If you want to use Linux then use it. You nor him are forcing anyone to use either. It's the same shit with iOS and Android, use what you want and be done with it.
The store didn't really do anything... It's like uninstalling steam.
I can't see myself BUYING anything there, but I'll take free shit...
And xboned to pc games will likely run through it because it's UWP shit basically functions the same as xboned, so minimal porting work required. Just understand it's 100% a console game. I haven't heard of a single game that's interested me yet, but hey, access to Xbox "exclusives" is hardly a downside if it's purely optional.
I went a completely different direction, I hackintoshed my PC because I wanted an OS I have control over, and I need it to have native LoL support, no wine bullshit. I honestly prefer it to windows 10, by far, and the game library is comparable if not better than Linux.
You know, Apple makes great stuff, some of the best, but because I vote with my wallet, and with the headers (or whatever) attached to my ip address, I refuse to use them. I hope you pirated OS X :)
Virtually every program you can think of in Windows has an Linux, opensource equivalent,
Speedfan, OneNote + Pen support, all those keyboard rgb programs, and just on top of my head, and without the first two, it's a nono for me, besides missing so many Games
honestly, as someone who has a friend who rams linux down my throat everytime I go out - it doesn't have the common programs I use and the "alternative" ones are buggy or not with full features compared to the windows versions. If you're a programmer, linux seems to be the tits, but for the general gamer it's not a viable system.
How many triple A games on release work on linux? What about 2-3yrs later? How many never even make it? What about driver support for graphics cards?
Even fucking skype on ubuntu was a pile of shit when I tried it. RPC over HTTP didn't work on the email program. That's just two of everyday programs I have to use. Alternatives seem to say use Wine as well but it's not the same is it.
It's fine that you like linux, but many people don't have the time to learn a new O/S from their busy life, and if you're a gamer it's not a good choice.. but a programmer, dual boot is a good option.
Like I said, dual boot Windows if you have to, or have a new enough system to run Windows in a virtual machine with direct i/o access. From my perspective, I'd do whatever I had to do to NOT have to run Windoze. Do you really want to support the virtual death of the PC gaming industry?
I edit photos, I do basic CAD, I game, program, enjoy high res music and video, I even play with software defined radios, all on Linux. When did you try Skype on Ubuntu? Software is constantly changing, one bad release means absolutely nothing.
Why can't linux users be like "each to their own". I grew up with DOS 6.0... I've grown up with windows and I know it inside out from the registry, commands, tweaks, fixes and troubleshooting. Linux is far from user friendly and I don't have the time to change if the benefits for linux outwayed my needs for which windows provides.
Windows store is shit, it won't ever succeed so I'm not worried about that.
I'm a gamer with a 980ti. Tell me why would I ever think on changing from Windows to Linux when I want to play triple A games on release?
It's about politics, man. It's about not supporting shitty company's, like Microsoft, that literally make things worse for gamers and software developers. How did Bill Gates get to be one of the richest men on the planet? By charging far too much money for what is an essential product for so many people and companies. I don't know about you, but I really like free stuff, especially when it works as good as, or in many respects, better, than competing products that actually cost money. I "shove" Linux down people's throats because it will be good for all of us if Microsoft just quietly dies, and that's not going to happen if their Windows store succeeds.
If Windows dies, all development efforts, from ALL industries, for the desktop, will be focused on Linux, and we will be one step closer to a perfect world.
Linux already has over 2,000 games available to play on Steam
Why do people keep throwing this around? Yes, Linux has 2000 Steam games, but probably only a dozen of them are actual games (mostly AAA games) that people want to play.
Get GTAV running on my hardware running exactly like it does on Windows without WINE, then I'll make the Linux switch. Actually I have a comment that outlines all the problems an average Windows user faces with Linux.
But there's one thing I forgot to mention that really pisses me off: The lock screen sometimes messed up and I get the Ubuntu one, sometimes I get the eOS one, sometimes it's just purple with dots.
ALSO! Windows Mobile isn't recognized. And I am not getting a new phone, period.
ONE MORE THING! Scrolling is really messed up in everything.
As a Windows user, fuck the terminal. Fuck everything about it. I want to open a file and have it install that way, not type a command into a box and watch it install. This isn't the 90's, the terminal needs to be hidden away like in OS X.
And I don't trust open source software, because anyone can get into the code and start changing shit or put a virus into it.
Again, I'm not saying make the switch full time, dual boot between the two, and do your everyday tasks/browsing on Linux.
When you install software, burn iso's, etc, on Linux, you're supposed to verify the checksum to insure it's legit, and it's really easy to do. With regard to the command line, with a cheat sheet, it's pie in the sky. No, "anyone can get into it" is just total bs...
I don't want a cheat sheet. I'm using Windows for the rest of my life since Linux does things backwards. Actually now I'm going to go format the drive Linux was on then install OS X to it, because even OS X is better at being an OS than Linux ever will be.
I 100% don't even want to look at the terminal, and if there's something that I want to do and it says to use terminal, I'll just use an alternative. Because I don't want to use it. Ever. It's out of the way on Windows and OS X, the same should be said for Linux.
HAHA, you sound like Apple and Microsoft PR double agent. I want you to mark my words: Linux will be the last (desktop) operating system left standing. If you knew anything about it, you'd know just how far it's come, and just how far it's going to go. It has already survived decades, and that's without even being able to to play most games, and in a far less polished state than it is, now. It's only going to get better.
There's already a bunch of great games available on Steam Linux, and it's only a matter of time until triple A game releases start gracing the Linux desktop, as a matter of fact, several are already planned for it. You speak about the command line as though it's something that will always be an essential part of Linux, and that's just not the least bit true.
You're probably not old enough to remember Microsoft DOS, but it was part of the Windows ecosystem for a very long time, even now, small parts of still exist in the Windows code, and you can still bring up a cmd prompt. Linux is hardly any different, and Apple OS X has the same roots as Linux. Even now, there is probably a way to do everything in Linux by pointing and clicking, and that will only become more so. Linux is simply evolving, and from my perspective, far faster than Microsoft Windows, and when you consider most of it was done and offered for free...
Linux is a no brainer. Keep giving Microsoft and Apple your hard earned money- pretty soon, Apple will have so much money, they'll own the planet, and people like you will have made that possible..
Sure there are a ton of great games on linux. I have 90, I play about 30. About 7 of them are on Linux.
And, Show me a way to install a noobslab theme without the terminal. Show me a screenfetch thing without Terminal. Show me an executable or drag and drop installer that doesn't link through Terminal.
I'm not an Apple or MSFT PR agent at all. I have money invested into Microsoft, so to leave it that would leave me in the negative. "Fuck the money I spent on games and software, let's go somewhere where Photoshop, Premier, FL Studio and GTA doesn't exist!" Real fucking sound logic there, huh?
Oh I'm sorry, didn't mean to diss your perfect fucking OS.
Get GTAV running on my hardware running exactly like it does on Windows without WINE, then I'll make the Linux switch.
Ask RockStar, the community can't do native ports for GTA because they don't have the source code.
ONE MORE THING! Scrolling is really messed up in everything.
No it's not, scrolling is awesome.
As a Windows user, fuck the terminal. Fuck everything about it. I want to open a file and have it install that way, not type a command into a box and watch it install. This isn't the 90's, the terminal needs to be hidden away like in OS X.
The terminal is completely optional for regular desktop usage on a modern Linux distribution that is aimed at the regular end users. On the other hand, the terminal is also one of the most powerful tools you have to manipulate a system (Microsoft is now finally following this reasoning with PowerShell). You don't have to use it, but you'd be stupid not to.
And I don't trust open source software, because anyone can get into the code and start changing shit or put a virus into it.
This made me doubletake. The entire point of open source is that anyone can audit the code to see if any harmful additions have been made. If Microsoft adds some backdoors to Windows for the NSA (lol, if), nobody really knows. If someone does the same to the Linux kernel, there are a shitload of companies (Red Hat, Canonical, IBM, ...) that will be able to find this and revert the change. In every sense of the word, open source software is more trustworthy entirely BECAUSE anyone can get into the code.
Ask RockStar, the community can't do native ports for GTA because they don't have the source code.
Yeah, like Rockstar listens to the customers.
No it's not, scrolling is awesome.
No it's not, scrolling on my mouse is broken but it's fine on my tracpad.
...The terminal is completely optional for regular desktop usage on a modern Linux distribution... ...You don't have to use it, but you'd be stupid not to....
The terminal is 100% NOT optional. Some things require you to use it. And I just don't want to, as someone who isn't a power user at all, like AT ALL, I WANT TO AVOID IT PERIOD.
And I don't care, I don't support open source. I don't support linux in general, as most of the community will tell me why I'm wrong to use Windows, say shit about the "privacy issues" (same ones that exist in OS X since the early 2000's, and there aren't even any concerns) or they tell you how you're wrong for using Debian over Mint or Mint instead of Fedora or Fedora instead of Arch.
And there's the other issue, there's too many different versions. I only need eOS for like two things, and it's basically unusable because the drivers are shitty, the way the OS feels is shitty.
I went into eOS with a very open mind. Knowing I don't know what I'm doing and knowing that it's going to be different from Windows. But know what I don't like to see in an OS I use daily? Vertical tearing. Vertical tearing in linux happens like a mother fucker, and it's very annoying. In videos, dragging windows, and the server thing for Nvidia for settings SUCKS.
Everything about Linux sucks, the OS's, the community, all of it. As someone who loves learning new technology, I try to stay away from Linux as a whole.
The terminal is 100% NOT optional. Some things require you to use it.
Give me an example of regular end-user functionality that you'd have to use the terminal for, cause as a long-time Linux user, I can't think of anything.
And I don't care, I don't support open source. I don't support linux in general, as most of the community will tell me why I'm wrong to use Windows, say shit about the "privacy issues" (same ones that exist in OS X since the early 2000's, and there aren't even any concerns) or they tell you how you're wrong for using Debian over Mint or Mint instead of Fedora or Fedora instead of Arch.
You make it sound like open source killed your family. People get enthusiastic about their technology choices (like you seem enthusiastic about Windows) and people suck, that's not an issue with the technology.
And there's the other issue, there's too many different versions.
As a member of the PCMR, we should pride ourselves on having choice. There's no such thing as too much choice.
I only need eOS for like two things, and it's basically unusable because the drivers are shitty, the way the OS feels is shitty.
Driver issues are hardware vendor issues. The Linux community does its best to support things, but it's very hard when certain vendors don't want to work with us.
I went into eOS with a very open mind. Knowing I don't know what I'm doing and knowing that it's going to be different from Windows. But know what I don't like to see in an OS I use daily? Vertical tearing. Vertical tearing in linux happens like a mother fucker, and it's very annoying. In videos, dragging windows, and the server thing for Nvidia for settings SUCKS.
Are you using actual official nVidia drivers? I don't have these issues on my Geforce.
Everything about Linux sucks, the OS's, the community, all of it.
Then better stop using Reddit and most of the internet, cause that stuff runs on Linux.
As someone who loves learning new technology, I try to stay away from Linux as a whole.
Judging by how scared you are of a command line, you sound like the absolute opposite of someone who wants to learn new things.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many desktop environments come with something akin to sharex already, for afterburner idk about overclocking but a simple bash script lets you make your own fan curves, idk anything about dischord or what taiga is, for shadowplay I couldn't find anything about nvidia even saying they are looking to support it in linux but I guess you could use obs.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"simple bash script"
No. I want a GUI to adapt a fan curve with.
"something akin" show me.
"obs" but I want shadowplay.
All Linux is to me, is the operating system indie kids use as they're 14-15 and want to feel cool.
Perhaps you should be asking nvidia to add fan curves to their driver or your preferred hardware vendor to make a GUI application to do it yourself, but that would involve typing.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are on Reddit, Reddit servers run on Linux, Most of the Internet runs on Linux, almost every super computer runs on Linux. Not a lot of 15 year olds have root on those machines.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:25:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask yourself one question:
"Why would someone want to go into Linux systems administration/engineering, if they don't like Linux enough to use it?"
u/ELEMENTSDESTROYYOU gave a perfectly civil answer to your list of applications. I'm pretty sure you are the only person to read any passive-aggressiveness in his reply.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:34:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dishevel ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is going up.
Has enough support that having your primary boot as Linux is pretty good. Still have to boot to Windows once in a while for some games.
The only game I play that has linux support is cs:go. No AAA games are really pushing out linux products. It sucks. I use linux for my laptop usually, but I cant move my desktop over to it for gaming. It'd just be cutting too much out. I've even had one monitor playing games and one with a VM running linux on my desktop...but I just cant bring myself to fully commit to linux on my desktop.
I stripped down my windows gaming computer of everything not related to gaming, no browsers, no software other than steam. I do pretty much everything on my linux laptop and when I want to run a windows game I just use steam streaming to play it on my laptop.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is set up similar but I stream sometimes so I have a few things on it. My laptop which is more of a throw away is all suited up with Linux though and tails os and a few other things :D
I wouldn't say no AAA games. We've got XCOM 2, CS:GO, Civ V (and BE), Borderlands, Shadow of Mordor, Aliens: Isolation, and more. There are, of course, many publishers who don't want to publish their games to Linux because of the smaller audience. There are lots of indie and smaller devs releasing their stuff for Linux though.
I'm not sure I understand. If you're asking if you already own a game on Steam for Windows, will it transfer your license to Linux? If that's the case, yes.
BrandeX ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We've got XCOM 2, CS:GO, Civ V (and BE), Borderlands, Shadow of Mordor, Aliens: Isolation, and more.
Nvidia definitely has much better binary blob drivers than AMD on linux.
I have Nvidia so ...
My experience is Linux does really well. Hell, I can even get stuff that should not work on Linux running fairly well.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea thats my main scare, I like Nvidia and have had a few of their cards in the past, but I have always had a issue with it, or had to RMA it. So a few years back I switched to AMD and have never had any issues with any of my rigs. So im scared to use my AMD set rigs with Linux
Sure, Linux is buggy as hell if you head into it thinking you know everything and make assumptions on how things work based on your time with Windows, leading you to make big mistakes
Alternatively if you don't suck, it's great
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is creating a router distro based on Debian, so its clearly more stable than Windows.
But dont download a bleeding edge distro, stick with LTS.
to be honest, freeBSD trumps them all. shit runs the internet basically.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Used to be that way for me until Manjaro. Never looked back. Stable rolling release OS with options to run anything bleeding edge and go right back if it doesn't work.
JustHev ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nowadays there are so much games on Steam that even when you reduce yourself to 25% of your library, you have enough games to play.
Best thing is that every so often you see that a game you already owned ported to Linux.
bjt23 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardware passthrough for VMs is getting better all the time too, even if that percentage sits at 25% at least I'll be able to contain my windows distro safe within a VM where it can't hurt me.
This is true.
Also I think once I get my Skylake 14 core/28 thread Xenon in my setup and double my RAM to 32 GB I am pretty sure I will not be hurting much at all.
I'm sorry but this is not a valid piece of advice - Hardware Passthrough is by far not convenient or easy; and is only available on Skylake - something very few of us have, or are willing to upgrade to.
bjt23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On skylake only now, but today's luxury features are tomorrow's standard.
Yes, but Skylake brings barely any performance increase for a decent cost - it's not something your average user should be doing.
Maybe in 2/3 years, but right now? No.
bjt23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, either gotta upgrade to skylake, get a pfsense router to block keylogging, or just not use windows executables.
But yeah I was saying in 5 years we'll all have good virtualization so the problem will be gone by then.
Valkrins ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:35:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
25% is ridiculous. Imagine 3/4 of all your games including nearly every AAA title being unavailable, and the few games you have run like complete ass, IF they run at all.
Quinnell ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:19:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get the feeling the guys who are excited about 25% play a lot of platformers, early access titles, and indie titles..
As a linux person I can try and explain the excitement. We already use linux for almost everything other then gaming. For myself gaming is literally the only reason I still have windows 7 around. I know it's unrealistic to expect all existing games to be ported. The hope is just that a reasonable amount of new titles get native linux support.
For people who use linux as their primary OS keeping a copy of windows around is a huge amount of overhead just for gaming. There is also constant fear that a windows "update" might reclaim your linux partition. Microsoft is clearly heading in the direction of making all the decisions for their customers. The original post is a perfect example of decisions being made without the users informed consent.
Why should we be locked down to a single OS. Shouldn't mac users also have access to AAA titles? Larger communities (customer base) are good for everyone except microsoft.
Well, the point is to think about just how even more ridiculous the fact that so many developers are supporting it even though it has 1% market share. Eventually, such as when the game count is >50%, more people will switch because enough games have been ported.
how about windows for gaming and linux for everything else but yeah i know how shit it is to not be able to just click on a game to play it and instead booting in another system.
HerrXRDS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:02:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO not having 75% of the titles available seems like a bigger inconvenience than the automatic updates Windows gets.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:50:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real reason GabeN and valve are pushing steam os (Linux based) is so the platform and pc gaming in general can finally break free from the iron grip of windows. Microsoft knows it may lose control at any time, it's why they are trying so hard to push the store, UWP and dx12.
The problem, for me at least, is I use my gaming computer for a number of things. Yes it's speced for gaming but I also run music production software and a few other bits and pieces on it. I can't really escape Windows on that machine.
For what it's worth, though, I'm actually quite happy with Windows 10. Seems to run everything I'm playing just fine from either the Epic Launcher or Steam.
Because that is totally the only reason to ditch Windows... People keep bringing Linux up to prove a point.
People complain how they could never use internet without adblocking software, yet accept ads on their lock screen is another recent one.
Sorry, I've been away from my computer. Righto, AMD. But not laptop. Basic specs are FX-9590 CPU, MSI R9-390 8Gb GPU, 16 Gb RAM. Yeah, they are definately getting better (about a month ago I couldn't even install linux, now I can get it running and pretty stable, but I keep getting driver crashes)
Ubuntu 16.04 is deprecating the older AMD drivers, so hopefully that means that you can't accidentally screw up by installing the really buggy ones. AMD still has yet to make any Vulkan drivers for Linux, even though they were one of the biggest influences that created Vulkan, but maybe that will change in a few months.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them being indie games I dont want to play.
True. More indie games isn't a bad thing, but what people do care about is the games they want to play. There are at least a hundred AAA games on Linux, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying, console users are missing out on 90% of PC games, and they don't seem to mind.
Also, nearly every emulator is available for Linux, so depending on how you count the number of games on PC, you could add ~16000 to both Windows and Linux.
Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not having access to 75% of steam really isn't worth it at all.
But still, most games I'm going to get don't support Linux and/or Linux lacks the support for it (Dark Souls 3 and Scholar Of The First Sin (DX11 only) for example).
Yes.
Of course, on that note, the itching from standing in a field of "itchy stuff" is more prevalent than the itching from throwing yourself into a volcano.
Jespy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have 2 SSDs. One is a 500GB SSD for Windows, Programs, and a few games. The other is partitioned into 2, one boots Linux and the other Osx.
I don't think I would use Linux for gaming though. People keep saying "Oh, but it has 25% of steam games on there" but if you enjoy playing new games, good luck running them in Linux.
Dishevel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can not tell people this.
There was this guy who tried Linux once 14 years ago and it was Ass.
So it always will be. It takes me 30 minutes to install Mint on a clean box and have it fully updated with Steam installed and its own mumble server running in a VM. (Just in case I want one)
Updates are done every day just about. They are done quickly, in the background and almost never require me to close an app or reboot the machine. It costs nothing, I deal with zero licenses, it "just works" almost all the time.
Buggy? Lets talk buggy. We have Windows 10 that can not seem to keep a mouse pointer visible from the login screen half the fucking time. I swear to God I am going to find a random Microsoft employee and punch them the next time Windows decides in needs to tell me about wonderful new updates while playing a fucking game. It still has issues with hibernation and to top it all off it has a metric shit fucking ton data harvesting going on. It is seriously the Freemium iOS app of the OS world.
fwipyok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
last time i tried linux+steam, it was about a couple months ago
amd x3 710 with an 6850, pretty old hardware, right?
steam did not want to install. cryptic error messages ensued. off to the forums we goooo...
performance was mediocre and steam would randomly crash, not open, open twice, prevent the user from logging off...
within one hour i was back on 7
there's a reason people still prefer gaming on windows even though they know it's a shitty operating system
and they will do so for at least a couple years, if not more
Vox_R ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a decent performance loss, you can still play games like the Mass Effect series or Skyrim.
The problem is, I built my PC so I wouldn't have to deal with performance loss. This seems like a step backwards, for as much as Linux interests me.
The problem is, I built my PC so I wouldn't have to deal with performance loss. This seems like a step backwards, for as much as Linux interests me.
losing control over your pc is a performance loss.
Vox_R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To a degree, but I'm not feeling like I have. Likely different degrees of awareness on one's computer, but as I use mine 99% of the time for playing games, my games working is what's most important to me.
As I'm getting more and more into the development aspect, I'm probably going to require a better environment to build more than I do playing, and then I'll likely make the switch. But right now even with Linux as a main OS, I'd still be spending 95% of my time in Windows to play the games.
Microsoft takes your freedom so slowly you don't notice it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a certain hardware level, the difference becomes negligible. Games will be perfectly playable on both, even though on paper Windows will have more FPS. Also, the stronger your CPU, the smaller the difference.
Jespy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But can I play GTA V, The Division, Rainbow Six: Siege, Battlefield 4? Also you're saying at a certain hardware level, the difference becomes negligible but what hardware level are you referring to? As I said, I really enjoy Linux, sometimes more so than Windows. But when it comes to gaming I don't want to have to suffer through extra steps to get lower performance when I can simply just boot windows and have it working. Also, not everyone can have a strong CPU. Sometimes the most common build is a 970 and an i5 but I doubt that is strong enough for the difference to be negligible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
970 and a recent i5 will be perfectly sufficient to max most DX9 games (including things like modded Skyrim). DX10/11 support is being implemented, but you shouldn't switch to Linux with the intention of solely gaming in WINE. It's an option if you really don't want to use Windows anymore, but the most sane approach at the moment is dual-booting.
WINE is really buggy, don't use it as an argument for Linux. It seems like everyone who tries Linux expecting WINE to solve all their problems are the ones who are severely disappointed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not all that buggy if you know how to set it up. I just played through the entirety of the Mass Effect series without a single issue or crash.
Edit: honestly the only two issues I've encountered are with Origin crashing when installing and launching the games, but that can be fixed by setting mf.exe to disabled and turning off Origin in-game. Most games will run without and further tweaks required, once you've installed Steam.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
does skse work properly with WINE? i think that i can compensate for performance issues once i get my 290(buying it second hand because poor student), but i kinda like my mods.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:45 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, works perfectly. Things like SkyUI and convenient horses as well. If you want to play games other than WINE on Linux, you should get an NVIDIA though, the AMD drivers still aren't up to speed. However with AMD you could use the open source drivers and Gallium Nine which basically allows you to execute native DX9 code on Linux. Read: virtually no performance loss.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok, ill wait for a bit then, because im having trouble finding cards like the 780 second hand for a price that i like, while the 290 is pretty affordable at 250 big ones+buying a new psu.
edit: i cant internet apperently, they are exactly as common atm. pretty decent price on the 780 as well(same as 290). last time i looked was a month or so ago.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:17 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
780 would be an excellent card, should be able to max any current Linux game with that.
Except Shadow of Mordor maybe, but I'm not sure about that one. I have a 660 as well right now and medium settings are possible in pretty much any game. Most I can max though, even WINE games, especially if they are a bit older like Mass Effect or STALKER.
edit:
Here's the beauty of Linux: If you want to switch from the 660 to a 780, you don't even have to install other drivers. Just pop in the new card and you should be good to go.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:05 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that seems pretty awesome. im not completely sure if im going for the 780 or the 290 just yet, but both seem like great cards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:45 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For sure, but if you want to do Linux gaming, AMD is a terrible choice since you get only a fraction of the performance you'd get on Windows simply due to their bad drivers. I mean there's 5 year old mid-range NVIDIA cards outperforming AMD cards in some games, it's that bad. Should hopefully become better soon, but I won't hold my breath.
Av33na ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a huge fan of linux, but it came down to will I be happy playing games that are second choice to me or play games I really enjoy? Since I spent so much money on that rig I ultimately decided to go back to Windows so that I could play games without spending hours going through workarounds. Also, I'm frustrated that more games are using DX11 but linux doesn't support that just yet. I think it's going to be happening, just not sure when. I do love linux and if you're not a huge gamer I would highly highly recommend it.
Linux will never properly support DX11 because that's Microsoft's thing. What you should be rooting for is games adopting OpenGL and Vulkan.
If you are referring to WINE, I find that many DX9 games in WINE are still really buggy. WINE is a work-around for the few games/software that you need that aren't ported, but it is not something that can replace native porting. Also, spending hours going through work-arounds is only something that I've had to do when using WINE, the all native ones on Steam work fine.
It may run well (and I do really like windows 10) but you cant claim to have full control over it.
Camrod91 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:36:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need OS equality.
I manage more than 500 Windows 7 computers and love them. My new gaming PC has Windows 10 and I love it...I don't think upgrading is a bad idea...but I don't think you should be forced to do it.
i dont hate windows 10 one bit, but thats after i changed a shit pile of settings and got ride of a bunch of unecessary stuff too.. it just looks like a crisper 7 to me at this point.. but the way it first installs, and some of the standard options are completely retarded.
Care to elaborate? I'm thinking about upgrading on my PC while it's still free, can't really bring myself to do it because 7 works fine. I have 10 on my work laptop but eh, it's mostly running older VMs all the time so I don't even use it much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this covers most of it if im remembering correctly . . .
also, create a "new folder" on your desktop and name it :
GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
copy&paste that for the file name - inlcuding the brackets {}
it will give you direct access to a plethora of control over the OS
also, i cant stand that lock screen you have to press a button to get it to go away, only to have to enter your password afterwards.. to get rid of the lock screen (you still keep the password entry, just no cumbersome/stupid lock screen) see this link.. i prefer the registry edit way, but its up to you how you do it.. the zip file just runs script for you to do the registry edit. its not hard to do though, even if your not savy with computers - just make sure you follow the steps to a T, and make sure you type exactly whats needed (spaces, characters, and all)
all that should cover what i did, if i remember correctly.. i apologize for the random links - i wish i had a place with all in one spot for you.. also, youll see the initial 3 links have much of the same info. just read them and decide how you want to proceed - all of them cover whats the most "at risk" portions of the new OS though.
the #1 thing you can do to keep you out of knee deep shit rivers is, just dont be a dickhead about what you click / where you visit when browsing the net of inter.. much of the bullshit can be easily avoided by keeping your fuckery to a minimum.. i torrent like crazy (more than 2tb of down\uploads) and i beat my jimmy like its sneaking around with the plantation owners daughter - using "tube" sites.. you dont have to walk on egg shells.. just be smart about clicking shit.. for example ads.. if you see an ad on the side of the window and you are interested.. go to google and search for what you saw instead of clicking the link.. most of those links re-direct you to shit totally unwanted.
I honestly prefer 10 on laptop, not sure why but my laptop has a loud as hell fan, with Windows 10 it's a lot more tame, just launch win10 spying killer to disable all that garbage, it's quite nice.
I hate it being shoved down everyone throat and if that doesn't work up the other hole too.
wataha ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:34:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude no one upgrades their OS to control the fan speed!
That's the thing I cannot control it (w230ss) if I do flash a custom bios to, I lose warranty. It just uses less resources idle or doing light movie watching etc. Then again this is the biggest plus I can think of for upgrading. It really looks a little different, modernised windows 98,the start menu looked cool, but I haven't used it once. Windows store has phone games, which would be great if I didn't have a phone. I really don't care for it collecting every little bit of what I do either. Dx12 isn't useful either, not yet at least.
Anyways, it's better than 8 that's for sure
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not about misconfiguring... even when hiding it, it still somehow comes back. You have to actually install 3rd party tools to get rid of the update. And even then it somehow finds it way back.
Have you looked into Mono? If your application uses XNA or .NET you'll have a harder time porting it, but standard C# should work fine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? I don't see anything wrong with my OS
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am from the internet, I am here to help.
Search for how to stop windows from sending info about you back to Microsoft.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows? Why would my windows send info to microsoft? Openbox is managing them using Xorg to handle graphical displays and Compton as a compositer and they have nothing to do with microsoft.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft on windows just like the xBox is now collecting info on you, they keep saying it is only part of cortana that spy's on you.
But windows has always done this to a level in the crash reports but now it is active 24/7.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a special anti-spy program it's called the Linux Kernel it's fucking great.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will install this today, but I just hope it does not mess up any of my windows settings!
With ballmer AND bill gone, they're entering the "we don't give a shit" spiral just as much as Apple has of late (in their OS divisions)
lukasni ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:06:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, post-Ballmer Microsoft has been a much better company, in my experience. Many of the recent changes on the development end (open-sourcing large parts of .net and the CLR, changes made to VS licencing for example) wouldn't have been possible while Ballmer was still around.
EDIT: Kinda skipped over the OS divisions part when reading your comment, sorry. You got a point there, though tbh, enterprise users can easily prevent the clients from updating and in my experience sometimes giving normal users a nudge to please update their 10 year old software is a good thing. But the forced updates are clearly taking it too far, agreed.
But I'd argue their treatment of windows is terrible, at best. I mean, the new "start menu" we have doesnt even DESERVE to be called a start menu, tbh.
It's as much a start menu as are hoverboards.
And with their questionable treatment of the windows phone as a brand, the windows store; forced upgrades, I just feel they're really lost what made them unique.
I was never a microsoft fanboy, but I loved what they were doing around the 360 years. These days, it feels like a faceless corporation MORE than anything.
enterprise users can easily prevent the clients from updating and in my experience sometimes giving normal users a nudge to please update their 10 year old software is a good thing
Yeah, it's 50/50. Sure, some people are idiots with updates, but that keeps exploits low (for tech sufficient people). Doing it for them will only make more ADVANCED exploits more prevalent.
If all pcs were immediately updated all the time- hackers would just rely more on 0 days. Things wouldn't change as much as we'd want them to.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:46:51 on March 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Off your broken soul, and ads/spyware data/locked in user base.
Such as every user of win-RT is a money box because they can only by M$ App STORE approved programs.
Kinda like google, except in 8 it was ads for eBay on you desktop, now it is a ad placement system in IE and all the default games, then the lock screen....
Like google but in your desktop, your a battery nothing more to them.
If I pay for software I own it. And replacing a product I paid for with another one I did not want, ask for nor purchase against my will -should- be a legally fussy area except for the whole "Richest company on earth with the biggest legal team" thing being the only thing standing between MS and legal action.
Since this is fucking over normal consumers and businesses alike (Another such comment said their 40K Plasma cutter now became a paperweight until they fix it because they relied on a previous version and it's file structures) as there's no telling how much unnecessary money and time wasting nonsense this is causing people.
ToS/Eulas are not necessarily iron clad nor legally binding 100 percent of the time, and can be challenged at a moment's notice.
In addition, in a global perspective- They are utterly unenforceable outside of their "native" release regions for the most part or even ignored/reprimanded for going against actual laws. (IE: EU consumer laws VS Valve for example on the ownership and refunding of digital goods.)
666666t ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use Windows 7 at work. The computer is used as a server for a direct to plate digital imager that is written for Windows 7. Upgrading without my consent would be costly, namely in the $15-$20,000 range.
Edit: hue hue. For all those that understood but are poking fun at my price range, obviously I meant $15,000 - $20,000. These imaging programs are expensive, but considering that they run machines that cost between $100,000 and $500,000 depending on size and features, it's usually incorporated into the cost of business.
Wave3D ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:39:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep in business a computer going down can be a small issues, or be the end of a giant contract.
iYokay ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:29:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to upvote /u/serventofgaben out of negative but he was still at -3. I'm glad he's back up to 1.
That said, it's extremely common to cut off the thousands place for the first number in range if it's the same. Just try saying it out loud. If you actually mean 15 dollars instead of 15 thousand dollars in this case, it sounds really wrong to say it the way I said it.
iYokay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I'm just giving you shit, mate. :)
Also, because you have the dollar sign there, if you said it out loud you would say "fifteen dollars to 20,000 dollars."
If you just said 15-$20,000, then saying it out loud you would say "fifteen to 20,000 dollars" as it should be.
At this point nobody cares and I'm being unreasonably pedantic.
It's absolutely true that it shouldn't use home. In fact, it's in the manual and installation instructions that you shouldn't use home. Would you believe that these guys supplied the system WITH home installed, an i3 processor and only 4gb of ram? I desperately want to get in there and do some upgrades but boss is of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality on the subject. Hell, I have SPARE PARTS IN INVENTORY to update it, and the OS isn't a huge expense relatively.
Are you sure it won't work on Windows 10? Because I'm 99% sure it would either work normally, or in the Win7 compatibility mode. My brother runs some exotic software for a medical device that's compatible with WinXP only and it works on Win10 with compatibility mode just fine. Oh and investing in an expensive software from a company that doesn't update it in a reasonable cycle is a bad idea. Seriously, Windows 7 is 4 major versions behind!
Ravek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only because MS decided to restart numbering from 10, which was a marketing decision for crying out loud. If not for that it would have been 7.0 (1 major version ahead) or just 6.4, a whopping 3 minor versions up.
The upgrade really shouldn't affect your ability to use the computer as a server. You can set your computer to NOT automatically take the upgrade though. They're only forcing it on computers with the setting on that allows it to happen.
Actually, on windows especially, new additions change a LOT of stuff that's core to certain software working. Most stuff meant for consumers is meant for a wide range of OSs, or is simple enough that it doesn't matter, but stuff meant for servers is expecting a specific edition of windows, so a newer version will break a lot of stuff. This is why some servers still run Win 3.1, 98 and XP.
Yup. Some of these software RIPs are really restrictive even when it's NOT necessary, too. Our last one (ApogeeX) was so obsessive about nothing changing that when the ethernet port on the motherboard went down and I put in a network card to go around it, the software refused to load until I disabled the new card.
Yes it is. I use 7 and I'm constantly reminded by the OS to upgrade. I might do it only because I have 32gb RAM installed and can currently only use 16, but I like 7 and the way that it is.
No, Windows 7 Home Edition supports up to 16gb, and I have 32 installed.
Edit: Home Premium.
rn10950 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely it's a licensing issue. Windows 7 HP 64bit is artificially limited to 16GB, while Professional is much higher. AFAIK the limitation is still present in 10 Home, and it only goes away with 10 Pro, which you can't get unless you buy it seperately or upgrade a 7/8.1 Professional system. If /u/KingVape wants to, he can buy a 7 Professional upgrade key and unlock the RAM limitation without a new install.
I upgraded to Win10 for a single day. I got hit with 2 different "this program won't work with Windows 10" messages in that day. They can fuck right off until I can be guaranteed that everything I want to use will work.
cosine83 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can fuck right off until I can be guaranteed that everything I want to use will work.
Talk to the people who make those programs, don't blame Microsoft for that.
I hold beef with the fact that it was a Microsoft product that gave me that error in the first place.
Wave3D ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:07:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Your confusing better and less worse.
7 is much better then 8, while 10 is less worse.
CHG__ ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:25:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went from Windows 7 to Windows 10, I prefer Windows 10. It's like 7 with extra usability.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:39:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More hassles. Having to lock it down, prevent it from phoning home, attempt to disable automatic updates so it doesnt restart itself without permission, uninstalling the bloatware like Candy Crush.
attempt to disable automatic updates so it doesnt restart itself without permission,
One of the first things I do when In install Win7 is go into Gpedit or Regedit and disable the reboot countdown, otherwise it absolutely does autorestart itself without permission, usually in the middle of the night after you started a big processing job.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:58 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it more has to do with a bunch of stupid kids going on reddit and seeing people with technical knowhow bitching about being restricted and then wanting to get angry at something so they stop updating and become part of a botnet because of a security threat that was patched months ago but they're a bunch of stupid kids that wanted to be cool like those guys on reddit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you're being downvoted. I literally had to do none of those things when upgrading to win 10
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:25 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pcmr is infested with console gamers gone pc. Anything that requires using a computer on any technical level is beyond most of these kids. Windows 7 is just vista + sps renamed win7 for marketing.
What bloatware though? Mine has nothing. Cortana wasn't enabled by default, I don't have Candy Crush or any of the Windows Store apps other than standard fare for Windows like Calculator and Minesweeper and a few that were on Windows 8 like Mail and Calendar. Not exactly bloatware like what comes on a new laptop or desktop from a retailer.
Automatic updating was on of course, just like any other Windows install I've done...
Jahrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually very easy to do during setup.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until it re-enables itself in an automatic update. Given all the other "errors" they've made, like upgrading people without their consent, you really think its beneath them?
Jahrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine has yet to re-enable anything. It still asks before every update. Just my personal experience using 10.
Wave3D ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:31:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice, I did not like it, I should have the right to have any OS I like.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:20:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do, but then you're going to complain about security holes and other crap and blame it on MS while refusing to pay them for patches. Software shouldn't be maintained indefinitely and it doesn't last indefinitely.
Security holes? I stopped windows update on 7 way early into the release and never had any security problems for years.
Now my laptop runs like a sloth and BSOD every time I unplug it.
Mech9k ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:29:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but then you're going to complain about security holes
Nope because I'm not an idiot. Don't be one and you avoid nearly all security problems as a home user.
Wave3D ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M$ was paid for the patches with the $100 per licence payment.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, they weren't paid to support forever. That's ridiculous. You only paid $100 per license because the cost for support was divided among all the users and because support was estimated to last a fixed period of time. When you paid $100 for your license, you knew how long that software was going to be supported.
edit Actually, you probably didn't know nor care at that time for how long it was to be supported and you don't even know now, so you're blaming your ignorance on M$.
I know when the security updates for windows 7 stop, and will be going to linux then. Hopefully in 2019 enough games are supported on steamos.
Dazz316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vista onwards is still supported. Vista alone still has a few years left. 7 will still be receiving patches for a few years.
Hell, some government agencies still have XP support.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are incorrect sir, XP just went EOL but Win 7 still has a while left.
And the sales of win 7 are still going strong, with the total hate against 8 and 10(last time I checked anyway)
Phayzon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't call nearly 2 years ago 'just going EOL'. Barring any extensions, 7 has less than 4 years left. I love 7, but I do hope 2020 is the end so we don't have another old OS lingering around like XP.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, windows 10 is not going to be the replacement.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said 7 went EOL.
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your comment will be valid in about 10 years.
But for today, yes I have an expectation of win 7 support and rightly so.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, today you should still expect MS to support it. It's supported until at least 2020 if i'm not mistaking, but by then very few apps will work on it and you'll most likely have to upgrade.
Terruco ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahahahahah you are funny
cacarca ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you have no right to use anything you want. You use whatever Microsoft tells you to use.
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:42:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm running 8.1 pro on almost everything I have for the common desktop feature. But I can't run 10 on my custom desktop (water cooler management app won't run) and it makes using my laptop quickly almost impossible (it gets booted maybe 3-4 times a month). I'll take 8.1, thanks.
PS. I tried to shut off auto updates on the laptop unsuccessfully.
Cheers for this, still kinda new to this. Am currently using win8 on my PC and would rather not upgrade ATM.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so true, this is why I love win 7. Iv never had 8 nor would ever want it. And dont want 10 until I absolutely need to, I was a Xp user for a long time lol.
Kyoraki ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that Windows 10 has OS level ads. Windows 8 however, does.
I was really hesitant to upgrade to 10 when it first came out because I saw people losing files but recently upgraded and it's so much more smoother than 8 and my laptop no longer slows down because I accidentally pressed the start button.
What's wrong with 8.1? I used it for a year or 2 and I didn't have any real trouble with it.
arof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on 8.1 with a classic start menu program since installing my SSD (wanted TRIM and all that) and there's really nothing horrific about it at all now. Thing was there were a lot of minor/medium inconveniences when I got it first installed to get it the way I like, and if you didn't have something like Classic Shell the new Metro start screen really is awful.
I have win 10 on my laptop and don't really like it as much, I'd honestly go back to using Win 7 style start menu with the somehow smarter most used program highlights/menu options over live tiles any day. I'm going to have to take the Win 10 leap for DX12 eventually, but I definitely won't do it without making an image of my SSD first.
Kusibu ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Preface: I'm on 7. Have tried 10.
A) You can't uninstall Xbox. Apparently you can with Powershell commands?
B) The bug that occasionally surfaces (mainly [but not ONLY] on upgrades from what I've heard, I've seen it in person) where you can't open the start menu via any means, permanently, once the bug takes effect.
C) Compatibility. Speccy is one of my favorite programs, and I know that it doesn't run in 10. Other programs may or may not break in 10 as well, but I'm uncertain of them.
I'm not against people installing 10. *I personally am not going to upgrade because it could cause me some grief and 7 is working entirely fine for me.
Kusibu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to have to clean install my entire OS for a small and nebulous improvement. Does that really merit that much disapproval?
(Also... Clean installing doesn't make W10 incompatible programs run in W10. Just saying.)
Zerran ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:11:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
idiot. Out of the millions of things that can run on a PC, there are always thousands of them that don't work on the newer OS. Additionally, Win10 is even worse in some areas than previous Windows because you can't disable windows update (that thing that does this garbage forced update and adds advertisment as recommended update...), it's worse from a privacy perspective, the UI is subjectively worse than previous ones, ...
8.1 is NOT FASTER AND SLEEKER than 10. They're about the same speeds, maybe with a SLIGHT improvement for 10. 7 - 8 WAS (noticeably)faster, 8-10, much less. 10 has less defined icons, and more reliance on metro.
The better part, is very subjective.
Downvote me all you want, you're still WRONG
falacu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:56:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I willingly upgraded to 10 and don't regret it at all. I think it's a fantastic OS.
That said it still shouldn't be forced on people who don't want it.
Wave3D ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:02:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep and I think windows 10 is so bad I would not take it for free.
Bergauk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're forcing it so hard because they don't want 7 to become the new XP. Microsoft still has contracts to support XP for certain companies and governments around the world. Microsoft is fucking tired of supporting XP and the same thing will happen with 7 eventually.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can make sure to not repeat the same cycle, by making such awful choices they drive everyone to Linux.
Problem solved!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, thats not why. Its very obviously to push their mobile aspects.
Metro apps work on mobile which will fill that app gap and make their phones viable. Sadly they are doing it at the expense of their users freedom.
bigboij ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:09:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
been using win10 since pre release, and not once for even a second did i think hmm i need a windows phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet by using Windows 10 you are encouraging companies to develop applications that work on Windows phone.
Bergauk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think this is all to push Metro you're sadly mistaken. They learned that most people hated Metro with 8/8.1 and added the option to install as desktop only for 10. To think they're forcing for Metro is absolutely ridiculous. XP Came out in 2001. It is still supported to this day for various companies, that is a 15 year lifespan for a software that EOL'd in 2009 and ran out of additional support in 2014. 7 came out in 2009 and mainstream support ended in 2015. It is EOL as well and has support to 2020. If you haven't hear about it, Microsoft has also made it so Skylake and onwards Intel processors WILL NOT work with 7 in the future because they are literally trying to make sure they don't have the same thing that happened with XP. They don't want it to happen. Support contracts may be worth a lot of money to them but the longer you run an insecure OS the more likely it is that you're going to end up with something unrepairable in the future. I dropped my XP system in 2014 because it no longer had support. I dropped my 7 system as soon as 10 came out because it's honestly better, bar-none. If you want to move forward you need to upgrade, if you want any modicum of additional security, additional features, support for newer hardware it is in your best interest to upgrade.
On the flip side, lets look at Linux, do people begrudgingly hold off on Linux updates? No, because it's fucking stupid. You want your computer and software to be up to date for shit to run faster, better and more secure. Just update your computer and things get better. It's always been that way and moving forward it will stay the same.
People who refuse to upgrade (like me, sorry) are probably in the same camp of people who complain that IE6 is still out there and holding back web development.
Bergauk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Web development is held back by shitty UI design being pushed for the mobile space. I like simple designs as much as the next person but for fucks sake don't make the desktop site feel like a mobile site.
I swear to fucking god I have lost count of how many times a web site has "redesigned" and lost useful features and made things more difficult to get to, all so it could look like a mobile site. Youtube has done it, and more recently scout and rivals for recruiting news has done it. Pisses me off.
I agree the linux update process is great. Not sure how that's a supporting argument to upgrade to windows 10. The only example you give of another microsoft upgrade is skype and you admit it's garbage that breaks compatibility. This seems more like an argument to switch to linux then to upgrade to windows 10.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Agree to disagree. Desktop sales are shrinking, their mobile sales are shrinking, competitors continue to grow, and they face a real fear of becoming obsolete outside of enterprise.
Microsoft is in a mad panic to push their phones, and throwing billions at Nokia did nothing to fix it. With mobile comes Vulkan, cross platform applications and libraries, fewer reasons to ever touch a Windows device. Their exclusivity for application development has dried up, metro is a last ditch effort to save it.
For competitions sake I hope it fails along with DX12, Id like the option to play my games off an an Android phone one day instead of being forced to buy a Windows phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Bergauk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:17 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, my tax comes back to me because I earn too little for it to actually be taken back.
CAN I JUST FORCE MY PC SO IT DOESNT MAKE MICROSOFT TO BE FORCED TO FORCE ME TO UPGRADE TO WIN 10? OR DO I NEED TO BE FORCED TO FORCE MY PC SO IT DOESNT LET MICROSOFT TO BE FORCED TO FORCE ME TO UPGRADE TO WIN 10? I DONT WANNA BE FORCED TO FORCE IT.
Vox_R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a control mechanism and policy deployment and enforcement tool for settings and updates. It prevents users from accidentally or intentionally messing with parts of their system they do not understand. It's also an easy way to push the config or updates to multiple systems so you don't have to run around to each one. Basically if you manage more than 2 systems in any envornment, you should look into using it. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb310732.aspx
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. We've got 7 computers in the office, so I'll check it out. Half of them get taken home for personal use, though. The real issue is that 5/7 people would be totally lost navigating a new OS.
cpp_dev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:17 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So in comparison when someone wants to install Linux what package they will use: 5 years old one or the latest from repository? Also when users get updates notification on Linux how long they postpone them? Do they block updates completely?
falacu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's up to the user. If someone really wants to put an outdated version on their pc that's their choice. Why should I make them do otherwise?
cpp_dev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the choice is the part that MS have problems with for some time, but in general what I meant is that most users will not have problems with installing updates on their Linux systems or using latest version available on reinstall. Another reason for a commercial software developer is that after a pretty cold adoption of Windows 8 MS is interested in a faster adoption of Windows 10, especially since the situation is somewhat different from XP->Vista->7 adoption. Anyway according to steam survey W10 is almost at the same adoption level as W7, while *nixes are still at a steady 1%, which is a good indicator that most users do not really care.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much I Dis-like Windows 10, it shouldn't be forced on you if you don't want it.
cowk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about mondern browsers auto-updating?
falacu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there should be an option to turn auto updates off for people who don't want it. If someone doesn't want to update their browser for whatever reason that's their choice.
Wave3D ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is a bad version with ADs, spyware, and the windows store.
Skype's always been that way? And apps too. So really what I hear is you have a problem with those, which I mean, are optional. I'd assume most of that is aimed toward average Joe consumers who want those sorts of things.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you're quite eager to spread you opinion in this thread.
You do know windows 10 only gathers usage data to improve their products and create an advertising id much like google
It's nothing to be scared of.. Also the Windows store is something many people have been waiting for for ages.
Fianlly we don't will have all programs in one place with an easy one click uninstall button. All accusations against the windows store have been very harsh and i truly don't understand why.
zeug666 ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 14:48:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Windows 10 upgrade will automatically download, which is what it is doing here, but it doesn't upgrade until you tell it to. While a complete dick move by MS, nothing installs without you giving it the go ahead. It also doesn't automatically download if you're set as a 'metered connection.'
e/u: There are also a few other restrictions on if the download would start or not, but those are largely enterprise concerns. The upgrade may start if you have 'automatic updates' enabled; Windows 10 is a 'recommended' update and will proceed as such. Regardless of asinine behavior by MS, you are ultimately responsible for what your system does or doesn't do.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 14:51:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea, I clicked decline but still had to go through the reverting process. And had to go back through my settings and make sure it was all turned back off. Just frustrating
Me too. I was shocked that they scheduled the update without my permission.
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:23:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now
Henjinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is not true.
I was in school today, when i got home my PC had upgraded itself to win 10 without my permission. Sure, after win 10 was already installed, i had the option to decline the TOS and what not, which i did. It then reverted back to my previous version and uninstalled win 10 though. But only AFTER it already installed without my permission.
When my PC started back up after the system was reverted, a window popped up telling me win 10 was going to automatically update in 1 hour, and all i could do was postpone it for 8 hours. No option to cancel.
Had to google and delete some previous windows updates to stop this.
The fact they try to force this upon people so hard makes me REALLY not want to update to win 10...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was surfing Reddit Tuesday night, at it just restarted and installed. I had to decline the EULA, and it went back. It is installing without the user doing anything.
Zarzalu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:41 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually, if you leave your desktop on standby for an hour after the popup that forces you to choose when you want to upgrade, it will automatically download windows 10 unless you stop it.
Oh it won't force you to upgrade but a popup occurs every day until you upgrade. Sometimes multiple times. And you can't get rid of it without nonbasic work a rounds.
zeug666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Uninstalling KB3035583 doesn't seem too difficult.
E: but you are right that some of the methods are rather burdensome.
Well it did both of those things automatically for me. I've X'd out of the popup window everytime for weeks. A couple days ago my computer gave me a message that it would be restarting to upgrade to Windows 10 in 1 hour. At this point, Windows may as well be a fucking trojan doing whatever it wants on my computer.
Dustin- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Windows 10 downloaded and installed Windows 10 for my brother's computer last night as well. He was just complaining that his computer installed Windows 10 for him without his consent. He also said that it installed the 32-bit version instead of the 64-bit version, meaning he has to do a fresh install of Windows 10 to upgrade to the OS he can actually use...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft has moved the windows 10 update from optional to recommended. If you have your computer set to install recommended updates automatically (it is by default) it will install windows 10 without your permission.
iRemz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:57:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. In-place upgrade cannot revert to 32bit. Nice story, but technically impossible.
Yup, can't change architecture without a completely fresh install. No matter the method used.
pqu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine autoupdated and destroyed my SSD. I had to buy a new one (and installed Linux on it). Now from what I know about SSD's it was probably dying anyway and a big OS install pushed it over the edge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your imagination is very good; however, that is impossible.
Dustin- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just relaying the story. He seemed quite worked up about it, and I can't imagine he'd be lying.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A 32bit is simply cannot be installed on a 64bit architecture it will simply be rejected.
Edit: seems I'm wrong but hey, self installing windows is also farfetched.
AmirZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other way around, and it's impossible because all of the 64bit components that would stay during the upgrade wouldn't be able to be used anymore, and thus the entire OS would crash
Reavolt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a specific IP or set of IPs that microsoft usually uses to connect to people's desktops? Would it be possible for me to just set my router to block communication with those adresses? I guess i have to accept that Microsoft can do whatever they want if they get access to my PC, but that doesn't mean I can't try to keep them out.
Same thing that happened to OP happened to me but it fully installed. I had to wipe and reinstall Windows 8. It happened over night when I fell asleep with my laptop on.
jcw99 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They made it a "recommended" update, so anyone who has the default setting of making Recommended be treated like essential will get it auto pushed
Warframe you say...This is on my list of "Windows only games :'(". Time to test it out!
syboxez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have an option in your BIOS for IOMMU or VT-d, you can get a GT 210, or other dirt cheap GPU, and play all of your games in a Windows VM while using GNU/Linux as your main OS. You pass through your 390X to the VM when you do that. That's what I do.
I can't speak for all of those games, but I have heard that the Star Citizen client is played to be ported to Linux. From what I understand, the server already runs on Linux.
Well, if the game is out since then. It's not like CIG really respects their timeline. Not that I care, even Alpha is the most fun I had in a space sim evet.
Hang in there. More games are coming all the time. :D
Dustin- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea I let it usually go to sleep mode but its still locked out
My computer wakes up from sleep/hibernate in the middle of the night for god knows what reason. Probably to make sure I'm asleep before it starts pushing updates. Running Windows 10.
Yesterday I let it go to sleep mode with a timer (Sleep Timer Ultimate) and when I woke up in the morning my PC was still running. I remembered there were windows updates and with fear I turned on my TV to see if I was running windows 7 or 10...
To my relief it was still running the same OS as the day before. When Rocket League comes to Linux I will most likely get Ubuntu or a similar distro.
Look into low level virtualization tech. Get extra low end GPU for Linux and allocate your beast to Windows. By doing this you will get control of your PC and get to lose it when you need it, but not completely
Is there any reason to not shut your pc down when you're done using it at night? I have an SSD so start up takes seconds for me, but I still know tons of people who just put theirs to sleep so I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong.
I keep my RIG always on for a simple reason: due to my tinnitus whenever there is near silence the ringing in my ears is all I can, well, hear. However the fans of my PC, although extremely quiet, are just loud enough to create a soft noise who overrides my tinnitus. I can still sleep with my PC off but it's much more pleasuring to be in your bed with a gentle sound in your ears than ear ringing like if you had just been flashbanged in Counter Strike :\
There have been times where i have shut my computer down overnight, and it has turned itself back on, sometimes for no obvious reason, sometimes to install updates, restart, and lose anything that i had open(usually nothing more important than browser tabs, fortunately)
Now i usually turn it off at the wall
Akalron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Intel Smart Connect would affect mine's sleep cycle, I am unsure if that also affects power down as well.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 14:24:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have auto updates turned off and never reserved a copy. Got it all canceled out, went it to my windows update settings everything had been turned on to automatic....
Is that even legal for Microsoft to do?
And to clarify no one touched my computer because they dont have the password to unlock it.
Kibouo ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 14:29:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly yes. But that doesn't change the fact that it isn't something you're supposed to do.
Since when did it become okay to force a product onto your customers?
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats crazy, now I wish linux supported all my games lol.
This is the standpoint for a lot of people on PCMR, including myself. We want Vulkan to fix all our problems.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:07:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly even all new games being vulkan would still leave us with the backwards compatibility issue, and since I'm about 3 years behind on gaming most of the time I will be stuck with Windows for a long time.
Pyroven ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:53:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't mean you can't dualboot and up the deamnd for Linux games.
Mornos ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:52:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can always have a windows 7 installation next to the Linux one or a VM with windows 7 if your pc is powerful enough. Both solutions aren't ideal but maybe good enough.
xtul ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:21:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dualbooting is tedious. tried it, still using windows most of the time even if i'm not playing any games
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You could set up a virtual machine through KVM or VmWare and use VGA passthrough to give this Windows VM direct access to your big graphics card. Near native performance.
xtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i thought about it but nope, my processor doesn't support vt-d. also i've got a single monitor
Single monitor you could solve with just switching the inputs, for example Windows on the HDMI input and Linux on the DisplayPort input. You're right about the vt-d thing though, Intel kind of sucks for not putting that in the K cpu's.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a way to have the C:/ drive and the Linux equivalent on the same SSD vithout giving eauch of them 'X' GB of space? I only have a 240GB SSD + 2 500GB HDDs and I don't know if windows or Linux will need more.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:11 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M$ can still upgrade you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you even use Linux when not exlusively? Dual-booting seems like a chore, and I would rather stick to one OS.
Using Linux increases demand for Linux support. Since we're all more or less in agreement that Microsoft is being shitty with Windows, more Linux support is good for either getting Microsoft to stop being shitty or having an alternative if they don't.
In the meantime, while Linux support is becoming more common and Microsoft hasn't stopped being shitty, Windows may be necessary for certain things even though Linux is nicer day to day.
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same i would switch over in a heartbeat. I love windows 10 but it forcing updates on me without me even knowing until after they are downloaded is bs. If i dont want to upgrade that is my choice not mircosofts.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly it never will unless they can make money off of it , as it stands , they have no reason to have full game support for linux because the money just isn't there for them.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea why I wish I had endless amounts of money to throw to developers to support linux lol. I have Linux on my laptop and love it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same, I have my laptop that I run debian on that supports a good chunk of steam games but everything else i have to do through WINE and it runs like hot garbage .
Some insight from someone who switched ~2 weeks ago
Though I'm sure you've heard of it, there is an emulator called WINE that is able to install windows programs, including games. It's a little bit behind on DirectX versions from my understanding, but apparently Vulkan is supposed to fix things like that (Though I myself know very little about that)
Microsoft has a new mindset about its OS's, that exist completely separate from "is this legal?" and "how can they force this change?"
You are buying "Windows" now, not "Windows XP" "Windows 7" etc etc. And they have full rights to make changes to their software as they want, you just have the option to be in the club or not.
Think of it like this way (not everyone here is a geeky gamer I know but bear with me). Everyone is playing Oldschool World of Warcraft. Cataclysm expansion comes out. World, stats, maps, races, everything is flipped upside down and torn apart and whatnot. Could the players just decide "Nah this isn't for me"? Nope, not in the least. At least not unless you are using some hacked server.
This is windows now. They decide the shape of the product. You are paying for membership.
They both think it's OK to force products on people. Only difference was I like Windows 10 and it was free.
Kibouo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know all in and outs of Obama Care. But here in Belgium we've had a social system since the '70-'80 and it's actually pretty nice. Okay, everyone gotta hand off some money to the gov, but it's not like it's a lot for the people who earn tens of thousands. And for
I do like W10 but in terms of privacy and user control, it's a huge step back. The whole PCMR principle is you can have whatever you want, so if OP wants an older version, he should be able to have that without an issue.
Wave3D ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:06:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He should never have to fight his OS for control, win 10 : (
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:48:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
from Pirate Bay
Yea, don't support Microsoft by buying a copy!
XTacDK ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:09:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Since MS shut down Digital River download links for Win7 .iso files, things been pretty difficult. Now you have to either relay on shady websites or... yeah, pirate sources. But finding an english Win7 .iso is not a problem at all in my experience.
Try looking for Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1, danish language. Its impossible. Finding isos for localized windows versions is a huge pain in the ass.
Oh, and that new Windows 7 iso download site Microsoft made? Yeah, it does not accept OEM keys. Like, what the fuck. Lets just make a site that only like 20% of all Windows 7 owners will be able to use. What a bright idea.
Nathat23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Can't you download the English version and then add the danish language pack? I remember doing that for a friend a few years back.
XTacDK ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is doable. But the thing is, it takes time to download Vistalizator and the LIP, and then you also have to install it. Takes a while. Sometimes I cant afford that while. Also, some things do not translate fully (Explorer and boot screen are some examples).
It is simply more convinient to have an .iso.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:34:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow MS
I wish Linux had more games...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wish i could like linux, but the whole +10 years of using a windows, the learning curve is just too huge. windows is incredibly easy and comfortable to use, and it'd take me months to be able to do anything on linux.
I had to install Ubuntu on a different HDD when I started doing web development. The command line stuff is pretty easy after like a month; especially if you just want to edit a single line in a file, you can do that in command line with the echo command. Want to open up a file and edit it in the command line?
The only annoying thing is the dash bar, its version of the start bar. They place theirs on the left side of the screen, vertically.
So when I switch over to my windows hdd, I keep finding myself dragging my mouse to the left edge and wondering why the fuck my dash bar not opening up.
EDIT: Btw, if you guys ever want to learn command line commands, here.
You can learn these commands on windows too, using the powershell application that's built right in! :D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeahh i just had enormous trouble opening directories, trying to gain admin rights (holy shit come on), installing drivers (okay sudo stuff was pretty easy, but unlike windows, i couldn't just enter the drivers and stuff via a GUI) and all that. man did i struggle with directories. it doesn't help that somehow linux doesn't show you the file system like windows does? uh, okay i have no idea. last time i used ubuntu was like, 8.4 or something.
mcd1992 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what distro you were using but Angtergos is really simple and has all the benefits of Arch Linux. Whatever desktop environment you install (I use/recommend XFCE) should come with a file browser / manager that will work like Windows explorer. The package manager that comes with Antergos will handle installing drivers for you. I use both Antergos and a custom Arch install and I haven't had to do any command line trickery on the antergos install.
I use Linux for 1 month.
I Use (Stock, no antergos and the likes) Arch Linux, which is considered a somewhat advanced distro.
I used windows all my life, though I knew about Linux for a while.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea this was a issue for me when I was building my wife's rig. I had a key but needed the iso. Lucky me I had one stored on a old drop box I had made. But yea with Digital River gone I can imagine anything other than English is hard to find.
Ramael3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, this is what I did: I bought a legal copy of Win 7 and then pirated it so I can control how and when I update my OS. I don't want random 'security' updates, I don't want to send my information to microsoft. I'll support Microsoft, but I want to control my computer. You know?
don't EVER do that if you don't want a shitty install procedure.
Download, unzip, disable anti-virus, right click on aegis.cmd, click "run as administrator", follow on-screen instructions
What a lovely day.
issmkc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:50:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Download win7 install DVD from The Pirate Bay
don't EVER do that if you don't want a shitty install procedure.
if the checksum is the same as in MSDN you can pretty much safely install Windows from those images and activate it with your previous license. if I remember correctly Windows stores its activation data in BIOS on some computers as well, so you might get it already activated provided you installed the same edition of the OS you had before.
fyi cmd files are text and you can read them in notepad
I did this myself, can confirm there is no malware, even though my entire Windows is illegal. Most high-seeded torrents are actually malware free. Install procedure worked better than the legal install DVD, which didn't get past loading...
You can install a lot of these features on Windows 7 / 8, there isn't a lot more fps, I don't see a change in boot times, and iirc Windows 8 got Hyper-V
I can't find this anywhere. If I don't have Spybot Anti-Beacon active, it will still protect my privacy, right? Or do I need to have it on in order to let it protect my privacy?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you happen to know of a program that fixes the file management system with something more akin to windows 7?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the way it looks and feels, I like the Windows 7 one and for some reason the thing that bothers me most about windows 10 is windows explorer. Yes I know it's stupid but it annoys me for some reason.
Sorry, but what about it do you not like? You can make it look exactly like the W7 Explorer just by hiding side panels and changing a few defaults.
Fun1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is wrong with Windows Explorer in 10? I have no issues with it.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is like asking why someone does not like art, the design of 10 is bad, if people liked it they would want it, they don't.
Fun1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just asking what he finds bothersome about WE, am I not allowed to do that?
I think the design of 10 is okay. I hated Metro in 8, so I am glad I have a normal start menu now. Games run fine for me. I disabled the nosy services. I am okay with 10.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You are right, I did jump on the question a bit hard...
At this point win 8/10/RT have been over the top evil, the window dressing is hated.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a hard time understanding the second part of your comment.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many times have you hated your car?
Or
Desk?
The fact that you have hated windows is what I point to.
I will be outside upgrading your car.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't hate Windows, I just disliked Metro.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has windows done anything you did not such as ADs, spyware, forced upgrade, metro, the win app store, win-RT.
The more you use M$ products the worse it gets.
Fun1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are really biased if you think having to click a few times to disable some unwanted features is worth hating an entire OS.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The OP of this thread could have avoid the upgrade with just a few clicks.
Yes the pain of windows is making me biased against it.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dislike that OP had it forced, but I like W10.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am all for you making any life choice, no matter how much I disagree with it.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can agree on that.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You still should not be allowed to join the domain if your windows 10.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What domain? PCMR? Well, that's stupid.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, a work domain, a network where all the computers talk to each other.
It is just a tech joke.
Welcome to PCMR : )
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Shell works on Windows 10 too, which can change the file explorer back to what you are familiar with.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most benchmarks don't give it nearly the increase in performance you are pretending it has. Boot times and snapping in exchange for bloat, privacy, and loss of control.
You are also now at the whim of Microsoft and whatever its future adware platform wants to give you. Down the road they will push more crap down your throat and you will be wishing you stayed on 7.
be careful with your tinfoil hat you might cut yourself.
its not nearly as drastic as you make it out to be, and you can easily turn all of that off with 1 of 10+ simple one click utilities that turns it all off via gpo.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id say its worse, if you had told me my OS would be plastering targeted ads all over the place, forcing people to upgrade, and logging local searches and browser history Id have assumed Facebook bought it.
PC used to be about freedom from this kind of crap.
I going to assume you upgraded and hit "express" settings because you were too lazy to turn all of thos mentioned items off.
Its funny that you think windows 7 don't do exactly what you listed, same with vista and win8.
they all do targeted ads based on location, they all do local logging of searches and browsing history.
they all send usage / crash history to ms.
shit all of these mentioned items outside of the targeted ads with a unique ad id, has been around since windows xp (maybe even earlier i don't remember.)
I going to assume you upgraded and hit "express" settings because you were too lazy to turn all of thos mentioned items off.
You're assuming he's even tried it. He likely just jumped on the tin foil hat bandwagon like everyone else who refuses to upgrade to 10. Why bother doing research when the bandwagon is easier? And hey....free tin foil hats.
I have one PC currently still on Windows 7 and that's my Office PC. That's only because my AutoCAD 2010 doesn't support anything higher than 7. Program is too expensive to update the software when the one I have works perfectly fine.
Hard to guarantee anything, but i have installed autocad 2010 on win 8.1 via the copy paste method i posted. and pretty much everywhere you read online says the longbow converter works.
win 7 don't show login screen ads like win 10 can (or so i herd, haven't seen it myself), however it does log your location and it is accessible by sites / apps. in the case of windows 7 its IE that generates it and holds the location, then you can probe it via .net to get the users location.
and you can also run a simple .net script to probe findipinfo to get their location based on ip (if they are not on vpn)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds more like a feature in this case, unless Microsoft is embedding their own ads into IE or logging your location data to a server.
IE 10 has targeted ads in the start menu, in Metro apps, and the full screen ads you are talking about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OS would be plastering targeted ads all over the place,
That doesn't happen, and you know it. Stop lying.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Local search is tied to Bing, which is tied to your Microsoft account. Cortana is data mined. Internet history is set to sync to Microsoft by default.
Unless you go through and disable everything it is data mining you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your search engine of choice can farm you all it wants, this is an operating system, its supposed to be a clean slate; its not supposed to be like an OEM laptop loaded with data mining and bloatware.
Strangely PCMR has been complaining about Lenovo and Acer for years, yet are perfectly fine when Microsoft are the ones doing it. Not sure if we are being shilled or what.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's only tied to Bing if you accept it during the customization after upgrading.
Almost all of the pre-installed apps are removable. There aren't any ads in the OS itself; that's ridiculous. The data mining is only on if you're using Cortana, which is an awesome IPA, but I can understand why you wouldn't want to use her. They also do reports for app usage statistics, but the app developers themselves get that data, and it's incredibly helpful for making their apps better. Every developer for any program or app will collect data, then ask if you want to send it. It's not like MS even tries to hide it.
What do you mean by less control? There hasn't been a single thing I've wanted to do that I can't. Everything I could do in previous Windows systems I can do in W10.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact you have to explain why the OS is data mining.
And yes it has ads, I am sure your correct in a strictly logical way, but people now have ads on their desktops.
It's not really the OS that's data mining; it's Cortana (for legitimate reasons), which comes bundled with W10 and can be turned off.
There are no ads on the desktop. Maybe you're using some widgets or something?
Buck-O ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cortana can never be fully turned off. Even when disabled, it's still sending search keystrokes back to MS in Edge or the Search bar.
And even if you turn everything off, MS is still collecting usage statistics, and demographic data on you. Like how many pictures you have, and where you save them. Their own press release at launch confirms this (which was basically an advertisement for marketing firms, so MS can say "look at all this off-web data we got!)
No matter how you want to argue it, Win10 us an intrusive OS that can not be stopped or user controlled.
Well, yeah, if you type things into Edge, that'll record keystrokes. But that's Edge doing it, not Cortana. Other browsers do the same; that's how they can do predictive searching and autofill.
I also brought the usage analytics in my post.
Buck-O ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, all of the built in Bing features run through Cortana for the predictive text. So even if you disable Cortana, Cortana is still operating all search queries, and still phoning home in exactly the same way if it was enabled. Just perhaps not as often, and without as much autonomy.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear others in my world complaining about the ads and I have to give them tech support.
I suffer no fools on my desktop and will not be using windows 10.
There must be a setting for those.
I've been using W10 for over a year now and I don't have any ads anywhere, in the start menu or lock screen.
I suppose there could be some in the metro apps, But I never use them. Just the same programs I always did.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you, i have zero ads
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, WTF Are these people talking about. I will admit I haven't opened windows store once
Wtf, I got nothing in any of those locations you mentioned and I didn't disable anything specific. The only thing I remember having done is switching my default search to Google with Firefox...
But then, I'm also not using metro applications, who in the right mind would use them...?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:44:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is what happens when you all worship your MS overlords
Yes, they do record statistics, as they've always done.
less control
Maybe true to some small degree. I don't personally know.
terrible metro apps
Fairly true. 8.1 certainly did that better.
preinstalled non-removable bloatware like OneDrive and Candy Crush, ads.
OneDrive is indeed installed into your OS now, that's true. You can't remove it, but neither do you have to use it.
Onedrive and Candy Crush (Shudder) aren't advertisements. What you're on about is application suggestions - Those can be disabled easily, by just right-clicking your desktop, going into personalization -> Start, and unchecking the option.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually <3 all PCMR members but you and the bama fans are on my shit list right now :D
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol everything, its more of a joke but yea every bama fan I ever met is obnoxious. I honestly dont care about schools like that but yea. Gotta hate on someone :D
In my week of experience of 10 I can say the word I would use to describe it would be sucks.
I've had as many if not more problems with Win10 in the time I've used it than I have had with Win7 all together.
I put off updating for as long as I did because I wanted to make sure I wasn't busy with anything at the time to deal with any potential program conflicts. Those were the least of my worries.
Also sucks that my RAM and CPU usage has gone up quite a bit since updating too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Files being marked as Read Only out of nowhere with no easy way to change it back. Clean install may be the solution. Honestly I haven't seen any solutions to the problem as threads stopped talking about it after a few months ago.
Also HDDs disappearing. Look into HDDs going into sleep mode and change that.
Driver IRQL errors, mine in particular being due to ethernet drivers. Those were updated pretty recently too.
Also, RAM and CPU is surprising, it's supposed to be an overall lighter OS than Windows 7.
That's what I heard too, so the instances of high CPU surprised me too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's possible I think upgrade (making sure all your stuff is safe), get the key for your installation then downgrade. That way you have the Win10 key that you can use after the 1st year free upgrade is over. Best double check if this is possible though of course.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't deny the task manager is a huge improvement. Cleaner view and separating apps and windows/background processes goes a long way. That and it appears to colour code based on how much is being used.
The odd thing is the higher usage with the CPU is largely due to spikes. Sometimes it's just one, sometimes it's a load of spikes for a little while.
I really should keep track of what seems to be the problem when it next spikes like that.
When did you try it, and what issues did you run into?
Been using 10 since it released, and the only major issues I've run into is shit I buggered up myself. No problems after the threshold 2 update.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here... When I see these threads complaining about stuff it makes me wonder what the hell these people are doing. I've never run into any issues that are talked about in this thread.
I tried it a little over a week ago. Problems that I can remember include;
Icons on the desktop not being able to move (Weird conflict with Fences when used on Win10)
All files on both the C drive and extra drives being made Read Only and wouldn't change back (had to do a lot of work to get permissions since it wasn't a one step solution. Files are still marked as Read Only even though they no longer appear to act as such)
One of my HDDs disappearing because Win10 decided to change back an annoying setting that would make the drives enter sleep mode
Driver IRQL errors that seem to be down to ethernet drivers. This one I am still experiencing.
Source FilmMaker getting some weird "Unable to remote Steam files" message as well as crashing a few times. Possibly connected to the HDD problem
If you go into services you can disable that whole process I believe. I build computers for my school system and they make me do that for specifically this reason.
solimor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same sit happend to me last sunday.... teh worst part is how many of my setting the change over to Microsoft... fucking nigthmare :(
MarlinMr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you not want Win10? What is wrong with changing OS?
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea I thought I was able to but not reserving a copy and had anything auto update turned off. Yet like a user said before Microsoft legally can turn it all back on which it looks like they did. Im lucky enough to have a decent rig, but I fear for older comps where it could fry the comp. GL sir
You can avoid it by not pressing the install button. All this does is download windows 10, and while that's bad, it's not like you're gonna wake up to a whole new operating system.
i had that thought as well, will be switching to Linux in the future. i dont know when the exact moment was that the government/microsoft decided they could do whatever they wanted with our shit but we are well past it now.
Be glad that you can still download a 3rd party control panel to block updates on windows 7
on windows 10 you won't have that luxury
lukaus ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally my worst fear right now. I had to install a VM with Windows 7 to have Visual Studio on my Linux system, and my friend joked 'Careful that it doesn't update your Linux OS to Windows 10!'
Impossible, of course, but just the fact that he could make that joke shows just how out of hand this is getting.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next thing you know they create a botnet of Linux devices through viruses so on the first anniversary of Win 10, they turn every computer on the internet, no matter the OS, to Windows 10. just joking. :P
Block 203 bad hosts, change windows update to check/notify (do not download/install), disable automatic delivery of internet explorer via windows update, disable ceip/gwx/skydrive(aka onedrive)/spynet/telemetry/wifisense, disable remote registry, disable 31 scheduled tasks, disable windows 10 download directory, remove diagtrack, sync time to ntp.org, hide/uninstall 49 kb updates (see below).
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason is due to it being placed as an 'recommended' update now, so a lot of people's auto-update mechanisms are turning many computers into Windows 10.
olbaze ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:57:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft keeps digging a deeper hole in an attempt to get as many people as possible moved over to Windows 10.
Let's be honest: If Microsoft hadn't given people ample reason to stick to older versions, they wouldn't have to use shady tactics like marking GWX as a security update.
mr_d0gMa ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:56:41 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even care if windows 10 is better, on principle alone it feels invasive. The reason I don't use chrome is because every program auto installs it unless you go through all options, unpicking them... I got fed up and now I just say that I'll never get it.
Just realized this morning microsoft is automatically upgrading windows 7,8 for you to 10...by itself....just because...$40,000 plasma cutter no longer worked because it broke the shared folder and shared printer...THANKS MICROSOFT !!!
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:19:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always set my updates to never check since I prefer to install them manually when I need to. Few days ago I woke up to a notification saying that windows finished updating. I checked my settings and there it was, set to automatically download and install. I thought this only occured on win8 but my win7 was affected too. Total bullshit I tell you.
Wave3D ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:10:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right who needs a computer to work, M$ has new ads/spyware to place on your desktop.
yea I had to go around and uninstall some update ending in 5583 I think and then restart and then check for updates and hide it, but apparently sometimes that doesnt even work.
qazme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless something changed I'm unaware of the KB update will not install on Active Directory machines. At least it hasn't on any of my machines. We are still in the process of validating our software before we can even think about moving to Windows 10. I like W10 but I've told the company the stear clear for awhile.
*Scratch that I see where they started rolling it out to domains now. Argh - like I don't have enough to do already. Guess it's time to start looking at blocking it.
Fuck me, I turned on my backup desktop the other day to "Congratulations! Windows is scheduled to upgrade on March XX"
FUCK THAT. It's an old machine with 4 gigs of ram that I let the kids play minecraft on. It's stable, it does not need Windows 10. This is why all the other machines have Linux...
My son gets the linux server to play minecraft on.
This older machine is just an old desktop that I keep around for the few apps that don't play well under Linux/Wine. It's a reliable system, and good to have for spares, but it would not deal well with Windows 10.
My old Toshiba Satellite updated itself to 10 a couple weeks back. It wasn't the hottest machine with win 7,but it was good enough fit civ 4 and Netflix, which is what i have it hooked up to my tv in the living room for.
It boots faster, but it barely opens chrome, and i can't stream anything outside of spotify, and even that bogs down. I can watch movies if they are stored on it, otherwise PLEX/Netflix gets a weird lag when actually streaming (even within my own LAN). Civ 4 won't even launch anymore. ):
LOL, bad luck man....I only ever downloaded crucial updates, Windows 7 SP1 installed, no further updates, update set to off so it will never do anything.
xdamm777 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only way to change this is to Revert back to your previous operating system (Windows 10 makes an exact copy upon upgrading, and the revert process is seamless) and then call Microsoft and complain you lost a day of work or tell them this upgrade broke some shared drives, folders or other mission critical legacy devices.
They need to listen to consumer feedback, whining in forums won't change anything.
Wave3D ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:52:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The revert process can be truly bad, back up your data before you roll back, you should format or have a clone anyways.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seemless eh? Explain the number of computers which the revert process fucked up on showing up at my shop.
I can't, but while trying the Windows Insider builds on my desktop and laptop I had reverted back to W8.1 and older W10 builds many times since the W10 build started experiencing issues booting and overclocking with my G3258 (desktop) and also using my dedicated GPU (laptop).
Every time the whole revert process took around 8 minutes and the whole OS was identical as it was before. I also tried this on Threshold release 2 and the current W10 build on my laptop and haven't had any issues yet.
Obviously this is just from personal experience but obviously there's always going to be people that have issues with their machines, my experience has been problem-free however.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a repair shop so i only see when things break, however i wouldn't recommend relying on the rollback in my experience.
it wont stop. there will be more., last summer all we had was a limited time free upgrade and now they are trying to shove it down our throat. it wont get easier.
Microsoft's insistence that everyone use Windows 10 is exactly why I don't use Windows 10.
If you have so little confidence in your product it has to be free and practically shoved down my throat- I'm going to be MORE than a little wary about the exact reasoning of why you want me to have it so badly.
Zerran ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if microsoft would've sold Win10 for 50โฌ and didn't advertise it in MY TRAY BAR of MY FUCKING PERSONAL PC, I would've bought it. Instead, microsoft behaves like disgusting piece of shit company and I will never change to Win10, regardless of if it's free or not.
It's kind of... I dunno... Suspicious as well? Not tin foil hat tier but if someone were to follow me around, insisting on shoving a cupcake down my throat despite me telling them "No" I don't think it's crazy to assume that they might have put something unpleasant in it.
I actually just started downloading 10 myself while I was home for lunch. The main reason I had held out to this point was that I was afraid my Skyrim directory would get borked and all the mods I spent so long configuring would be broken. However, the Nexus Mod Manager broke them all last night for me, so now I have nothing to fear.
Hovek ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus Mod Manager broke them all last night for me
Let us all have a moment of silence for this catastrophic event.
I hadn't played it in several months and wanted to grab a couple new mods from the Nexus. NMM said it had an update, and then that it no longer handles mods the same way or some bullshit, and that all my mods needed to be uninstalled and reinstalled, but never to fear, because NMM would do it for me. So I let it uninstall everything, and then it went through them all one by one and activated them again, only in no discernible order. So it was installing patches for things that hadn't even been installed yet. Then at about 80% of the way through, NMM crashed. I clicked on my SKSE launcher and thought to myself, "This shit is just going to CTD." Sure enough, right after the logo it crashes. Fuck it. Time for a clean install.
Hovek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww man. I use Mod Organizer.. never really had anything like that happen.
What happened is NNM went the same way as MO on the profiles front. so you could have several different configurations of mods if you wanted.
Maybe I'll check out MO. At least I was able to backup all my mods so I won't have to download them again. NMM drives me crazy the way it tries to do too much. I don't need you to setup profiles and whatnot for me. I just want to be able to click that little green button on the Nexus and install the mods.
Hovek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well MO can do a lot more than NMM. But it does what you tell it to and I think that's the biggest distinction there.
I backed up all my mods. I just need to install them in the correct order. Obviously, yes, it would be nice if I had backed up my data folder. But honestly, a video game directory typically isn't something I'm worried enough about to do a backup on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I updated to 10 from 8.1, it borked, then i fixed it... more than once, and even after all the shenanigans my New Vegas mods are untouched and work just fine.
CPX4656 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:32:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I woke up to windows 10 already installed.....
Piscea ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:41:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. On my windows 8 machine that is used only for netflix in bed.
Thing is, I hadn't switched the TV over to that input in over a week.
No keyboard/mouse attached to computer. Leave it alone and running for a week. Came back to windows 10...
maybe there's a button - your computer will upgrade in 15 minutes.
hate those
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? I ask because I willingly upgraded to it as soon as I could.
BOFslime ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No you didn't. There's a fair bit of setup that doesn't even start until you tell it to. You can't just magically wake up at a windows 10 desktop.
Edit; I love how I get downvoted even though the above poster admitted they clicked to allow the upgrade overnight.
CPX4656 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the upgrade was scheduled to happen at 3 A.M. So that day i left my computer on, I forgot about it. But good thing Microsoft has that rollback feature.
Rebzo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate Windows 7, don't have to deal with MS bullshit
I have to legitimate windows 7 pro licenses. I had to call Microsoft to try to get them ( pack of 3 keys) to install. The result was here just have windows 10. It is total bullshit. Technet could not fix the issue. ( or would not most likely)
I bought windows 7 when it released but I will be switching to a pirated version once I can't get rid of the nagscreens or the actual 'upgrade' anymore
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you have had a real response, but Windows changed how it defines Windows 10 update. First they changed it from an optional update to a recommended update. They then put through an update that caused computers to automatically update recommended updates as if they were important/required updates. I work at an IT company fixing computers for the general populace. It's just sad how many elderly couples come in after losing all of their information due to this "optional" update
running itself and corrupting all of their information. Rarely do they have backups and some have lost thousands of family pictures procured over their lifetime.
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PM me if you ever want help recovering files, it is quite simple to recover lost files on a classic hard Drive(non-ssd)
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:54:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone keeps missing what I wrote I never had recommended set lol. I have check for updates but let me choose. That what scares me because thats always been the setting on my computers and all of a sudden it was switched to "Install updates automatically"
They don't really show the set. It runs an update that makes the set and immediately runs the install. Unless you saw the very start of the automatic update you would have missed it.
Because they already took money for an answer from others
Wave3D ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:35:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because we are now the product as M$ sells us down the river.
dezix ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:01:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Zerran ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they will come back. Microsoft is a piece of shit company. The solution is to either never install any "recommended update" again (microsoft wording for adware / forced upgrade) or to manually google every single KB number...
but, judging from how shitty microsoft behaves, they will move their adware from "recommended update" to "important update" in the future...
dezix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My friend had her laptop update while she was doing her thesis for her a Masters degree. She mentioned she couldn't find a lot of her work after it updates and her little song vaio is really slow now.
She doesnt know what Windows 10 is but she just figured she would hit update because its a 'Microsoft Update'.
We need an internet ad campaign that mimics that 'no means no'.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People make jokes and laugh about this, but honestly I find this to be deeply distressing. Can't have control over your own computer anymore with Windows. It's insane.
If my computer did update to Windows 10 by itself, it would probably crash on startup anyway...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's happened to a lot of people actually
Toofpic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Win 10 is not heavier than 7, it's not about that. I like 10, I used it since closed preview. The problem is that MS doesn't care what people think or want. It's a good OS, but no OS is good enough to shove it down one's throat.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you reserve your copy you can't get windows 8 updates without downloading it so I'm assuming you had updates set to automatic? I didn't know this and just went to update Windows 8 and bam Windows 10 started downloading. I thought fuck it I'll install... didn't like it now back on 8.1
But yeh they force it on you hard it's ridiculous.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dont have win8, using win7 and everything has been turned off for over a year. Not recommended, just off. One of the first things I did when setting this computer up a year ago
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm but you did reserve a copy? Maybe they set a time and date when you reserve it without telling you and just start the download automatically.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually didnt reserve a copy, another reason why i am upset.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Open Regedit
Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
Right Click on right hand window and select new "New" > Left click DWORD (32-bit) Value
Enter Name as "DisableGwx" without quotes > Double click and enter value data: as 1
Press OK
Restart PC
As a poorfag that pirates games more often then he buys them, this is my worst nightmare from hell due to the anti-privacy shit. I have a 5TB external harddrive sitting right next to me packed to the brim with games in case of a disaster like this so I can nuke the OS and go back to 8.1 or if I please 7.
When people's main focus on your OS is how to avoid it, you've fucked up
I wish Microsoft released a no nonsense version of windows 10 with no metro apps, none of that bs just a refined windows 7 to run x86 applications specifically designed for desktop, but no they come up with this bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt anyone would be nearly as against it if everything was opt in, rather than opt out. But Microsoft is simply no longer a trustworthy company, if they ever were.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Microsoft is simply no longer a trustworthy company, if they ever were.
Umm, MS has always been evil in some form, they're the definition of terror in the PC world. :P At least you said "if they ever were" though. :P
This happened to my ma's work laptop i think she was using vista, No real loss there. Then a day latter it happened to my friend who was running windows 8 while we were playing black desert. It didnt even ask him it just shut his shit down and rammed windows 10 right in there.
I reverted back to windows 7 today. Windows 10 had far too many crashes, too many freeze-ups. It's also, imo, far more geared towards unknowledgeable, inexperienced pc users. Obfuscating and burying things that more informed and familiar pc users frequently use.
Bedebao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My hands are tied. It somehow ninja downloaded and now is forcing the update and all I can do is shut it down and restart to bide my time. A popup telling me to do it continues to reappear even when closing with SuperF4. This shit is aids
MaxPms ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is my batch file to fix this issue :
Echo this will uninstall all the updates in windows 7 and 8 so you wont get the M$ upgrade to windows 10 message. Please do not reboot until you see another message in this cmd prompt.
wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664
wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978
wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917
wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374
wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978
Echo Now reboot your computer and run windows update. Look for the following windows update numbers : kb2952664, kb:3035583, kb:2976978, kb3021917, kb3044374, kb2990214 and kb2976978. If any of them show up please right click on them and hide so they wont get installed.
pause
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me! I left to talk to some people and came back after about two hours and it said welcome to Windows 10 or whatever. I was flabbergasted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decline the EULA...It reverts back in about 5-10 minutes, much quicker than the download and installation
Turning off Auto Updates alone isn't enough. You have to manually remove the updates that added 10 features to 7 & 8, as well as removed the constant Win10 ads from the source.
When mine finally downloaded, it was when the ad popped up. I had been ignoring it for a while, and as usual I clicked remind me later. As soon as I did a window popped up that said "Downloading now!" I was so pissed.
I had auto-update disabled as well and it still tried to do it for me without asking. I tried it out and for my 6 year old laptop, I have to admit, it's working out great. However, I don't want to do it on my main PC.
Keep in mind it's only DOWNLOADING not installing, you should still be able to make the choice of whether or not you want to install.
I know I'm late to the party but I just walked over to my computer after it being idle for a couple of hours and caught it counting down to beginning the update. It had 1'30" left on it. I came here to rant and be pissed off.
Mekeji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't had a single update since they tried to push out the update to add in pop up ads for Win 10. I keep everything as far as updates off to ensure I don't get forced into 10. I will eventually change but for now I just don't trust it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No out of the ordinary Windows 10 behavior for me, so I'm just not going to touch any of my settings and maybe my computer will forget all about the upgrade...
It's beginning to annoy me too. I reserved a spot for 10, and got it asap. I liked it in many ways, but there was one thing I just hated - the search bar. I use it for literally everything on 7, yet it just does not work on 10.
For example, searching for GM:Studio on 7 just requires me to type 'studio' and hit enter. However, literally nothing turned up on 10, and it just asked to check the web and store for it. No thanks, I'm searching my PC.
Only reason I backdated, but I couldn't stand it any longer. I despise the start menu on 10. If somebody can point me into a way to fix this, I'll re-upgrade.
EDIT: Thank you all for the links to various fixes. I'll keep my word, and re-upagrade to W10 over the weekend, and see how it goes :)
Thanks for this, it looks interesting - can I ask if it just reskins the search bar, or actually provides a better search system? As stupid as that sounds, it's literally the only thing with 10 that is the deal breaker, and I can't fathom why it works so poorly for me.
This looks really interesting, thank you for linking this to me, brother. Between this and Classic shell another brother linked me, I'm actually considering going back, haha.
This has happened to myself and my father. Both of our OS got completely broken. You can't access the Start Menu, Task Manager, os any properties. Nothing actually works. It takes 10minutes to go to a complete blue desktop background with a few icons showing and nothing opens.
I'm just not going back to Windows 7 again cause have to keep up with the softwares I need to work with.
I fucking hate Microsoft...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Took a week vacation on Christmas. When I got back to office after new year. Poof! Upgrading to Win 10 right after boot up, didn't even get to stop it. Whole morning of down time. Thank you MS /s
Now thinking about it some idiot might have turned on my PC when I was on leave
I use windows 10 at home and on my work computer but for most of our clients Win 10 is not ready. and more so the software they need to do their job is not windows 10 ready. and the funny thing is this got pushed out to people that are on a domain. this was not supposed to happen.
phusion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JESUS! It's happening to domain machines!?? That's VERY bad...
I meant for home use, it's a great gaming OS and the start menu is a good compromise of good vs old. I'm on my work machine now (hah!) and it's connected to a domain. No Win10 updates forced on me/us quite yet... of course I'm using WSUS for most of my machines.
bense ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why I stick with the Enterprise version of windows ;)
Huddy40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I disabled recommended windows updates on my 7 build when I heard Microsoft was pulling this BS. RIP feeling like your entirely in control of your PC.
The other night my computer did the same to me, wasn't sure if I had clicked something on accident but I was still pretty stubbornly happy with my Windows 7.
I had just loaded into a League game and my computer shuts down and just upgrades itself. Felt so cold...and used..and alone..and helpless to this onslaught. So I went to get some halal food while it ruined me.
APock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:05:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upgraded to windows 10, took 20 minutes. Have had 0 issues.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I moved to Windows 10, but only because my prebuilt (I know, please don't pitchfork me) came with Windows 8. If I had Windows 7, I certainly wouldn't update until absolutely necessary.
Imagine that, while you're asleep, someone breaks into your house and swaps your nvidia gpu with an slightly better AMD one.
You were used to geforce experience and you never had any trouble while using your nvidia card, but now you have to use the AMD gpu. You feel like your PC was violated because you didn't consent to any of this.
Soon, you find out you weren't the only one. The exact same thing is happening to millions of users, and many of them are voluntarily accepting the change. "Okay, if they want the change, they should get it, but I didn't ask for this", you say.
And in the middle of the outrage, some fucking idiot chimes in and says "upgraded to the AMD gpu, took 20 minutes. Have had 0 issues". You're that guy right now.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a bit of a difference between breaking into my house, and updating my OS man. You're being irrational. Why are people so afraid of change? Lots of good reasons to update, and lots of benefits to all of us if MS can do a better job of getting everyone on the same OS version.
You know that guy who freaks the fuck out about nothing? You're that guy right now.
This happened to one of my laptops as well last night. I hadn't used that laptop for close to 2 weeks and I left it on last night by mistake and boom. Windows 10 this morning without a warning. I didn't even bother reserving a copy.
Fucking microsoft man... doubt that laptop can handle win10, it barely handled win7.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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yurf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aims but misses the target. Any computer older than 2 years running 10 gets about a 3 minute boot up time and it's very common for 10 to give you massive OS corruption.
and it's very common for 10 to give you massive OS corruption.
I can testify to this. The complete registry was f*cked after upgrading. Nothing worked: boot repair, reinstall of 10, ... The only thing that worked was to nuke the system and go back to a virgin Win 7 install.
My PC tried upgrading last night to Windows 10, luckily I checked my Windows Update queue before shutting down and saw "Windows 10 Home Premium" upgrade and stopped it. I tried hiding the update but it reshowed! I downloaded GWX Control Panel and disabled all Windows 10 "Get Windows 10" icons and updates and it showed that it was downloaded to my system without my knowledge. Fuck you Microsoft.
I'm never upgrading from Windows 7. I'm holding on to it as long as I can like i did WinXP. If games start requiring Win10 they better be good because there hasn't been a good game out since mid 2000's
SERIOUS QUESTION.... I have my win8.1 OS backed up. If this happens (I have all updates settings turned off, just like OP's.) can I just mount my backed up OS and do a re-back up to continue having my Win8.1 forever? Also, I built my own pc does an win8.1 Built version different than OEM in this circumstances?
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got auto-upgraded and rolled back and my drivers were broken as fuck. Had to clean install and lost a ton of customization on my Windows 7 install that I had for a year. Ticks me off badly.
what's even worse is i've personally had to uninstall the update that installs GWX multiple times, as for some reason microsoft keeps overriding my HIDDEN UPDATES, and unhides it, then installs it
i think its happened about 3 times now
seriously microsoft, if i don't want your new OS, then stop fucking forcing it on me (i already have it as part of my quad boot, i don't need all 3 windows os's being windows 10 (the 4th OS is ubuntu))
tankxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This might get buried in the comments....but I've been really debating on updating to Windows 10. Is there some tips, tutorials, tricks, FAQs, anything along that line before I do it?
Degru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, just do the upgrade. You may want to do a full reset or a fresh install after upgrading if you encounter issues or want a clean system. Also, if you aren't doing a reset or clean install afterwards, make sure to go to Disk Cleanup, click on the System Files option, and delete the old Windows files after you're sure that you don't want to downgrade back again.
Yeah, get used to the idea that your computer is no longer yours and obey the system. Thank Microsoft for the spying and remember: you're not the boss anymore.
If you don't want it to be that way, then prepare to download a bunch of third-party tools to disable a ton of intrusive shit that is enabled by default.
I decided that I didnt want this sort of surprise. So I actually hit the download button. Nothing... The button to initiate the download they are forcing down everyones throat didnt work.
Not sure how comfortable that makes me feel about the OS...
Degru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually wanted to upgrade, but the GWX thing wouldn't even show up.
Happened to me 3 days ago. biggest regret is the lack of karma
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i came home and when i booted up my laptop from sleep mode it had a window on my screen with a scheduled time all in place for it to auto update with a small box under it telling me to click here to change the scheduled time... shit is really getting out of hand.
There is sort of registry hack you can do if you want it send me a message and I can give you the command or batch file to run to disable it. Will also disable the notification
Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:47 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trying that now, but I have the suspicion that it won't work. My windows updater is completely broken to the point where I can't even use plug and play features because it relies on windows update to go get the drivers. I had to manually download the drivers for a generic ethernet cable the other month. I'd upgrade, even if it meant wiping everything, but I just don't think it's going to let me. Media creation tool is working and my fingers are crossed.
Syeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid to boot up my laptop now. I haven't used it in a few days.
Not really. From what ive seen, by reserving your copy you gave them right to do this. I saw it written/typed somewhere the other day :/ its shitty small print that noone will read but yeah... Microsoft :( y u do dis
This happened to me too but i was in a league game when it started.
Im not running Windows 10 against my will.
koicel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:54 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either you postponed the download date by mistake, or you didn't unchecked the box when running Windows update.
However, you should be able to rollback to Windows 7, option which is being available for 1 month
girl at work just kept closing the window with the countdown timer and wonders why her pc restarted and installed 10, so glad I only have to work here for another week...
KB2952664 and KB3035583, both of which are part of the Get Windows 10 fuckery have been, yet again rereleased, so even if you've told them to kindly fuck all the way off before (by unselecting and hiding them in Windows Update) they're back. Again.
For the hundredth (not actually, but I've lost count) time.
What exactly is the massive issue with windows 10? I love it personally.
josefbud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wait... this happened to our point of sale at work and I blamed our company idiot even though he swears he didn't do it..... Fuck. I didn't think this was even possible....
Same thing happened with me for Windows 8.1. It's freaking infuriating! I was constantly bugged to upgrade but I kept saying no for obvious reasons until finally it said "In 4 hours your computer will shut down and upgrade to windows 8.1". It then proceeded to ask me for the key to my OS which I wouldn't have even if I didn't buy the thing off of someone else.
So now I'm stuck with an os that reminds me to "activate windows" every 4 hours by forcing an entirely new window open that I have to close out of over the course of about 10 seconds because if I close out too soon it will force itself open again until it's fully loaded by which time I've already died in csgo.
I don't see how this is legal to be perfectly honest, I bought a product, so that product should stay the way it is. It's like me buying a book, and then the person who sold me that book can turn the book into a 4 hour time bomb at a moments notice and have it blow up in my face.
I must be the only person that likes windows 10... Free update to a fast reliable OS. It would only bother me if it broke something but it's only solved issues I used to have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare to reinstall a fresh copy of W10 because the upgraded one if often buggy.
jcw99 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you know you can revert right?
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't count on it!
Edit: back up your data before you revert or upgrade, always!
tehkier ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually so confused as to why people are resisting the update. It's free, loads in a tonne of new features, is more secure and efficient. I just don't get it, why turn it down in the first place?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:38:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
could the GFWL one's be related to that service being from IIRC closed? Also from what I recall a few games striped out GFWL support and switched to stuff like Steamworks or simply removed GFWL. I also never had issues with GTA 5 running on windows 10 for me. I can understand "Hit and Run" having compatibility issues though.
today when I got up my computer (windows 10 already) was already awake. Now for whatever reason my coustom PC done this trough win 7, win 8.1 and now Win 10. however, when I moved my mouse to put it back into sleep mode. There was like a 3x3 inch block of Chinese looking letters. I still managed to turn my PC back to sleep mode, but when I came back latter on it looked exactly like it did when I was installing windows 10 on my PC.
thankfully it wasn't a reformat and everything is the same. Guess it was just a "big" update. Kinda freaky though.
Automatic updates combined with MS setting the Win 10 upgrade as "recommended".
We'll be seeing a lot of these in the coming weeks with people not turning off their auto updates.
EDIT: Never mind, wrote the above before OP put in the extra info.
No idea, but if you don't want Win 10 you should be able to downgrade again. Sorry for your frustration.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:28:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they were off thats the thing I have always had them off, I understand how to update my self and how to find essential updates. Yet i went in and they were all turned on.
Iv had this computer for a year and never had them on. :(
I did I reverted but it took its sweet fucking time this morning.
The laptop (pretty old though) of a colleague did the same thing except that the upgrade went horribly wrong. Boot loop, corrupted files and whatnot. Ended up having to nuke the system and put the old Win 7 back on it.
It's due to shit like this I've grown pretty anti-Microsoft as of late. Changing an OS is not just like updating a program. Pushing this whole Win 10 thing as they are, is very anti-consumer behaviour. I was considering doing the upgrade when it first came out, but with them pushing this thing so aggressively, they can shove it up their *ss now as far as I'm concerned.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:40:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right! I love win7 and love the stability of it. I was going to upgrade much later but turning on my auto updates and trying to force this on me is crazy.
I wish I had endless amounts of money to throw at developers and
Triple AAA companies to support Linux
Honestly, Windows 10 can be the second coming of Christ and I still will avoid it like the plague. If MS would have been more relaxed about it, I might have upgraded at least one device by now...
It's the constant bugging, abusing their update system and the general "we know what's best for you so you better listen" attitude that has completely turned me off. And this seems to be the new directions MS has decided to go. They have been putting out Win 10 exclusive games for fck's sake. Not to mention all the crp that is enabled by default in Win 10. MS is abusing the not-tech-savvyness of a large part of their consumer base to do what the heck they want and tons of people just go with it.
So in short, as good as Win 10 may be (and it really isn't from what I've seen), it stands for a lot of things I just can't accept as a consumer.
Bullshit Windows crap is why I installed Linux Mint at home on my laptop. Runs SO MUCH better now without Windows on that machine. Fuck I hate windows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you check if your Linux Mint was one of the hacked copies though from the hack the website had on Feburary 20 until March 1st? (it's a guess, since that's when the final update about the mess happened on the blog)
No, I didn't. Is there still a way to check? And what does it mean that it's "hacked"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was malware in some Linux Mint ISOs at that time due to a hacker hacking into the website. I guess that's what they get for using http and wordpress. You can always use the Live usb you used and use dd to turn its files into an iso that you can then verify with an hash sum check. Recommend doing it with another computer without Linux Mint, just in case the malware interferes with the sum check.
That isn't a valid complaint I think. If a person wants a gaming PC it makes sense to install the OS with the most support. If a person wants a competent OS with control over pretty much everything then install a flavor of linux they prefer.
frag971 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple. Lots of issues: games outright not supported, drivers don't exist, i have to use DOS commands (what is this, 1995?), etc...
Windows 10 "just works" with almost everything. Was some time ago, did things improve since?
I can tell you several steam games as well as DRM free games work with ubuntu. I've had more driver issues with Windows than with linux, hell my wifi adapter worked out of the box on Linux Mint with no need to download any drivers because they were already there on a clean install. I'm assuming by DOS commands you mean the Terminal and CLI interface on some stuff. While not necessary as you can mostly use stuff with the GUI the CLI give you the most control over your system, but certainly is not necessary to use but highly recommend that you learn how to use it.
So 2 days ago I canceled an install and to not remind me again. Guess what happened this morning? Yes. Again but this time with no opt. out. Had to just close the dialogue box.
Its really starting to piss me off leave me the fuck alone.
( I am getting ready to move all my PCs to Ubuntu)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you go Ubuntu, avoid the 15.10 releases for the most part, unless you're using Ubuntu Gnome, since I've heard about bugs in those releases. 14.04 in general is a better option anyways, though I admit I had problems with that distro myself. :/ I recommend for the most part to wait until 16.04 LTS's release, which is next month.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did I get downvoted? Is it because of me dissing most versions of 15.10, and poking a bit at 14.04 because my issues with it? You probably didn't do it yourself though.
Wasn't me dude. I just checked to make sure sure I didn't swipe it by mistake.
Beside, life is to short to worry about vote counts by trolls on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm literally worried about booting up my windows 7 machine now. I have so many drivers that are not Windows 10 compatible because of older music hardware, but despite my best efforts, my system just keeps on trying to deploy Windows 10, which will break half my programs.
Why do Microsoft feel the need to enforce an optional upgrade this way?
If I have a "less than legitimate" copy of Windows 7, how do I get the upgrade to 10? Is it still possible? It gets to the install section and tells me my OS is not genuine...
Windows 10 is fine. Really don't understand why people haven't upgraded for free yet anyway.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if they have programs that only run on 7, I guess I get that.
But I'm sure it is the just the anti-M$ stigma kicking in. 10 is an all around better OS than 7/8/8.1.
Super easy to get rid of all the spying stuff and you are good to go.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly I have a few programs from work that when I work from home do not support windows 10. Also I know I can disable all that stuff but honestly you should have to disable a bunch of shit on your OS. If you want it you should only have to enable it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I guess I agree. You shouldn't have to disable the spying stuff. But I'm not going to miss out on DX12 for that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I understand the rustling against Microsoft. I really enjoy W10 though. Plus, I don't want to miss out on DX12. I find it ridiculous people are so adamant about hating Microsoft that they would miss out on DX12. Or at least upgrading for free.
Most of the people rage so hard about "microsoft spying on us" or raging about the "unusable" W10, that they don't realize that the other OS of all the other companies all did the same for years. Microsoft just gave us the opportunity to opt-out of most of the"spying" things
Zerran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Console are fine, really. Don't understand why people buy graphics cards instead of spending the same money on an xbox.
OK, let's say that you love cheeseburgers, and eat one every day! But suddenly, as you are walking down the road, a man in an alley tries to force a cheeseburger covered in mold , insects, and a tracking device down your throat. I don't think that you would love that cheeseburger in that moment, right?
I don't want Windows 10 because I already have compatibility issues on Windows 8, it would probably be worse on Windows 10.
Wave3D ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It applies the lotion or it gets the hose again!
Wave3D ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:44:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It is full of ads & spyware.
I hate the interface as they attempted to make it tablet like.
Edit:
This is only the tip of the iceberg.
The windows store and win-RT with only M$ apps....(I have a client that can't use FireFox because it was win-RT)
tojal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are wildly misinformed.. There are no ads, spyware is no worse than any other software you are currently using (and you can turn it off, it's like the first thing the setup asks you for), Windows store is optional (I have never used it), WinRT is for ARM processors, and I have no clue what you are talking about "Only M$ apps".
(I have a client that can't use FireFox because it was win-RT)
That is because you are trying to use a x86-64 program on an ARM processor. Microsoft has long had plans about making Win32 obsolete, because it's old-fashioned, so they saw an opportunity to create a completely new, modern API. Unfortunately, very few people bought any ARM devices with Windows installed, so it didn't really catch on.
Again, Windows 10 is not WinRT. WinRT is not compatible with your AMD64 instruction set.
There are many ads, just off the top of my head, Candy Crush Saga and Office 365 ads are installed on your machine and have to be uninstalled just to get rid of the ad. There are more, I just can't think of them.
It's definitely not tablet-like though. I enjoy it quite a bit. /u/Wave3D is quite uninformed.
tojal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Candy Crush Saga and Office 365 ads are installed on your machine
Fuck me, you're right... I haven't noticed that before. Twitter, Candy Crush and Minecraft
tehkier ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but they're not super intrusive! And all you have to do is tell the Store app and Start Menu to not display ads, and then they're literally gone for good. I haven't seen an ad anywhere on my system since I upgraded.
And all you have to do is tell the Store app and Start Menu to not display ads,
Holy shit are you reading yourself??? When did it become acceptable to put ads into an OS in the first place?
What about the BUILT-IN apps asking for a rating on the Windows store? "Oh you just have to go to the settings and disable windows feedback".
One drive being forced and enabled by default? "Just don't use it?"
Smells like fucking peasant in here.
tehkier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a free OS right now. How are ads not acceptable?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand what an 'ad' is. Candy Crush might be bundled with the software, but it is not an advertisement. No, don't try to argue for it, it's just false.
Obviously you have not seen it then. It's not the game. It's an ad which will take you to get the game in the store. JFC lrn2win10
edit: for those that don't know....when you install Win10, on your Start menu you will see "Candy Crush Saga", "Office 365" and many other apps which are not installed. They are a forced advertisement that when clicked on, take you to the store to purchase/download. If you right-click the ad, you'll see 'Uninstall'....yes, uninstall the ad, not the game/app because it is not installed.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just please agree that this is no where near what people blow it up to be? Fine, it's an advertisement, but, for crying out loud, it's not as bad as most people present it. I can't even find proper examples of this when I try to search for them. Only things I find are the start menu suggestions, and articles that seem to consider this the end of Microsoft. I don't get it. I just don't. Sorry for whoever is offended by that.
Never seen an ad, no spyware, looks nothing like a tablet. If you can show me where these things are I would love to see them.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try google "win 10 ads"
Or in your case Bing
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nice insult. Could you be a little more mature? Also, if I'm running windows 10, and it apparently has ads, why should I have to go to a search engine to see the ads, when you claim they're on my OS?
EDIT: To entertain you, I went ahead and searched for Win 10 Ads on both the Bing and Google searchengines; Really, the 3 photos I found only displayed suggested applications, from the store in your list of apps. You can disable that by simply right-clicking, opening the menu and unchecking whether or not you want Windows to show suggestions - That suggestion is not an advertisement. You have no idea where the line is drawn, and you're spewing bullshit based on practically nothing.
So I'll help you a little:
Right-click Desktop
Select Personalization
Go to Start
Un-check Occasionally show suggestions in Start
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is funny when a product like Bing is so bad it becomes and insult.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:21 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really know - I never really search for anything obscene or hard-to-find. Bing gets me by. I at least mind Microsoft having my search history less than Google having it. It's pretty useless whenever I need to search for anything within my country. I use Bing pretty happily. In the end, I can't search for anything without leaving a trail, so fuck it.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some search engines such as DuckDuckGo that supposedly don't track you.
Also the tor system can beef that up a ton.
Kinda messed up when you have to pick the company you think is spying on you less or less evil....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate the enlightenment!
tehkier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:32:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First off, the ads can be disabled pretty much instantly. You click once or twice and then they're gone. For good. I haven't seen an ad on my system since installation.
Secondly, take off your tinfoil hat, Microsoft isn't trying to kill you. There's no spyware by any malicious standards.
And lastly... It's still a Windows OS, you can run anything you could from other operating systems. No one is forcing you to use MS store apps.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not suffer from the ADs, or spyware in the base windows OS, or the windows store, or forced upgrades, or the awful UI design of windows 8/10...
But I have to spend time fighting my OS, that is the issue along with the fact that M$ thinks any of this is ok.
The spying stuff is easy to disable, so I don't see what the big deal is. With that said, if Vulkan becomes widely adopted, I'll be switching to a Linux distro...
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:52:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easy for you and me not for everyone.
If I buy a car I don't expect to need to disable the spy system.
drgrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me its the closed architecture of UWA and the system as a whole, and the fact that it will make my laptop unusable due to it not supporting the wireless card that i have.
Nayphun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:43:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is as good a time as any to move to linux...
I think I understand MS aproach to this.
It's proven that w10 is better than all of the other OS.
And many problems come from people who don't update...
The only problem i see is software probably not being compatible.
But don't understand all the hate. Can someone explain?
Wave3D ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:10:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Win 10 is not better, I love(ed) windows why would I not upgrade to a free new version of windows?
M$ has built a system I don't care for and has lost my trust with ADs, spyware, forced updates, M$ app store, win-RT only running app store, the metro phase.........
) windows why would I not upgrade to a free new version of windows?
M$ has built a system I don't care for and has lost my trust with ADs, spyware, forced u
But it's their software. They decide what happens. That's why that we have competition with other SO.
And W7,W8... all had the spying.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:47 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they can do as they wish and the community give feedback, yep and the sales of win 8/10 show it, along with the win phone, win-RT....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to believe the OS displays advertisements, and is by some fashion 'freemium'. It's not, and it doesn't. The start menu may sometimes have a list of programs labelled 'suggestions'. They are not intrusive, and can be disabled with a simple uncheck inside the personalization options.
Secondly, they seem to think the OS has spyware - It doesn't have any more spyware than their current OS'es do. (Win7 / Win8 / Win8.1)
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes its because the 2 most important work applications I use are both not compatible. If I lost those programs or the files associated with them. It would be bad lol. Also the stigma with windows10 is the amount of adware,spyware, and bloat applications they forced on the OS. Yes you can disable all of it, but honestly should shouldn't have to disable anything when you get a fresh new OS.
Maybe recommend enabling that why the unaware consumer will do or average user.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before Windows 10 came out, I liked it more than Windows 7 - I never had any complaints towards Windows 7, that always worked fine. But in all dear honesty, a little change is exciting to me. I get what you're saying, but saying nobody enjoyed Windows 8.1 is flat out wrong.
Windows 8 was pretty terrible, though. Quite confusing and annoying layout.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is what happens when you all worship your MS overlords, While I'm sitting here with my Linux install, sure it ain't perfect, and it's an OCD freak's nightmare at times, but much better than having Win 10 injected into your butthole while not watching.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is what happens when you all worship your MS overlords
You're quite an unsympathetic asshole, aren't you? Nothing wrong in that, but you better be aware of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:00 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you are doing that by giving them money to use this crap. I know everybody's fapping to DX 12, but I just look at it and I think it's all stupid, especially when DX 12 won't work on anything else but Windows 10 in some form. Also you're not forced to go Windows, unless you got an AMD card or really that obsessed with playing ALL your games.
It does run better, I used to and rolled back. I do security work and seeing everything 10 does in about eight hours was enough to make me nope the hell out of it. If MS just said here is what we are collecting and this is what it's for I'd be a bit more willing but since they deflect or just ignore the question it says it's not for the betterment of the user.
nohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'll come install cameras in your house for free. when can i come
raz3rITA ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:27:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand all the fuss about Windows 10. It's way faster than Windows 7, especially if you have an SSD. Plus, it's free. And if you really care some much about privacy and stuff you can just disable those features and you're good to go. Plenty of guides here on /r/pcmasterrace.
That's fine if you don't understand it but people do hate it, the policy's MS is setting, the spying, the unknown data being sent out that will keep jumping IPs after you block them or even unblock them for you. Polling data without your permission, the ads on the lock screen, forcing driver updates even if they are broken, well let's just say there are a lot of issues and how much they matter change from person to person. Honestly if you are okay with social media you are likely okay with win10.
Well considering that you need Windows 10 if you want any hope of DirectX 12+, its real silly to me that people on this particular forum are so against it.
It's not even a bad OS, it's a legitimate upgrade to 7. And people go on about "omg Microsoft spies on you", so does your iPhone, your Android phone, your Google account, just turn off tracking options and go.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:28 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everybody likes Windows. Some of us prefer other platforms, like Linux. Heck, some of us wish that Windows dies in a hole.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:00:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let Fedora burn Win 10 to hell if you can't get Windows 7 back. :P
Natten ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:18:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks OP, I just checked my computer and it was set to automatically upgrade on the 14th.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:32:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Noob, turn off wsus service and set to disabled, turn on when you want to run updates, turn off when done
JTskulk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you lie with dogs you get fleas.
zkkaiser ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 09:00:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All you people hiding in fear of Windows 10 make me laugh.
Do you plan on running Window 7/8 in 10 years when literally no modern technology will function on it?
Is this like the new hipster thing to do? "I don't like Windows 10, everyone is using it and I don't like to conform. Plus, the updated interface.. and Cortana? ugh who wants an AI voice to talk to that will listen to your every command. So lame. DirectX 12? No thanks, I only play obscure shitty Indie games from 12 years ago you've probably never heard of it."
or
"omgawsh M$ is totally stealing all of my super sensitive super super secret information!!?!!11one they can never know that my reddit username is LUVSHUGEBLACKCOX how dare they know what apps im interested in"
Do you guys also use burner phones? Always use cash? Never stay in the same place for more than 2 nights?
God forbid M$ see that you searched "really fucked up tentacle pron" Who knows what they could possibly do with that information.
Seriously, get the fuck over yourselves. Install Windows 10.
Since mint and other linux choices will be ready for gamer daily use by then, yes I plan to use it and jump to linux which is also fucking free. Just because something is free doesn't mean it has value or that you want it.
Not really, we have three computers here and I've already moved two to Linux. I dual-boot one with Windows for games and Adobe stuff, mostly... now I really should look into that KVM thing.
Do you plan on running Window 7/8 in 10 years when literally no modern technology will function on it
I plan on using Windows 7 until M$ stops supporting it which after I am going Linux on all of my computers.
Is this like the new hipster thing to do? "I don't like Windows 10, everyone is using it and I don't like to conform. Plus, the updated interface.. and Cortana? ugh who wants an AI voice to talk to that will listen to your every command. So lame. DirectX 12? No thanks, I only play obscure shitty Indie games from 12 years ago you've probably never heard of it."
I don't like Windows 10 for a lot of reasons. None of the reasons that you mention though.
Seriously, get the fuck over yourselves. Install Windows 10.
Why? Until I have a legit reason to go full retard with Windows 10, I won't.
EDIT: Also, it's fucking free.
It is not fucking free, you dribbling fucking moron. It is a upgrade that M$ offers for "free" until July 29th because they don't want another XP situation on their hands and after that you are paying your hard earned cash for the latest pile of shit out of Redmond.
zkkaiser ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 11:35:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I plan on using Windows 7 until M$ stops supporting it which after I am going Linux on all of my computers.
Whats stopping you now? If you plan on ditching Windows 7 anyway, why wait?
Why? Until I have a legit reason to go full retard with Windows 10, I won't.
Didn't you just say you were switching to Linux?
Newest possible OS with latest technologies that will be the ONLY OS supported by M$. Who would want that. Don't think Windows is the one going full retard.
It is not fucking free, you dribbling fucking moron. It is a upgrade that M$ offers for "free" until July 29th because they don't want another XP situation on their hands and after that you are paying your hard earned cash for the latest pile of shit out of Redmond.
An entire year for anyone who is using practically any version of windows to upgrade to 10 for free. Meaning there is no additional charge. That means it wouldn't cost anything extra to use it, if you are already using a computer. That means that it does not cost you any money. That means it's free, you dribbling fucking moron.
But, I'm sure morons like yourself will end up bitching over the fact you had to pay for Windows 10 when everyone else got it for free.
Whats stopping you now? If you plan on ditching Windows 7 anyway, why wait?
Aside things like laziness and not in a rush? I don't mind waiting until M$ pulls the plug on supporting Windows 7.
Didn't you just say you were switching to Linux?
Switching? My feeble minded friend, I have been using Linux and Windows for years.
Newest possible OS with latest technologies that will be the ONLY OS supported by M$. Who would want that. Don't think Windows is the one going full retard.
Latest technologies? Such as what? I can think of only one game that has been built from the ground up for DX12 and it isn't Gears of Wars Ultimate Edition. I don't think you will see many DX12 games 2016 if I am honest and to me, Vulkan is more interesting as it is OS agnostic while DX12 is M$ only.
An entire year for anyone who is using practically any version of windows to upgrade to 10 for free. Meaning there is no additional charge. That means it wouldn't cost anything extra to use it, if you are already using a computer. That means that it does not cost you any money. That means it's free, you dribbling fucking moron.
Free to me means always free. Not a limited time offer.
But, I'm sure morons like yourself will end up bitching over the fact you had to pay for Windows 10 when everyone else got it for free.
No, I will still be getting it for free even when the offers expires unfortunately.
Vulkan cannot come soon enough. The market has been needing something like it for decades. No more "this will not work with that" bullshit. It works with Vulkan, it'll work with everything.
Someone should've shot Microsoft in the face the second they came up with DirectX and made it theirs and only theirs and only Windows.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No
Leavism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's simply because we don't want to, so get over it and let us not install Windows 10.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:29:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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mmaruda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:36:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because installing anything without the user's consent is the computer-world equivalent of rape. Kappa1
Now, ask yourself this if that isn't rather strange if you (the user) have set up the OS for maximum privacy and it still phones home? If that doesn't make you pause for a second and think what that actually means, you are frankly dumber than a second coat of paint.
You are wasting time trying to get people to understand or think. Social media and the like have gotten people to just not give a shit about privacy or anything a company does so long as it doesn't cause any bumps in the road for them. You want to see windows 10 loose it's shit put yourself behind a locked down ASA and watch it fly through IPs trying to get out, that alone is kind of scary that it is setup to do anything to get out.
I just updated my rig the other day. It's really not as bad I've been led to believe. Plus if you don't like the UI you can download "classic shell" and it'll change the start menu and UI back to Win 7, 8 or vista (if that's your thing).
Edit: PCMR supposedly supports freedom of choice. Yet anyone that says they like Win 10 gets downvoted simply because YOU don't like it. Way to be judgmental fucknozzles guys. No the upgrade shouldn't be forced on us (obviously) but when you have a bunch of people telling you it's not as bad as you think, maybe you should at least fucking try it before you start lighting your torches. Stop acting like peasants with your OS loyalty. Because right now this thread is looking like the Xbox vs PS threads on IGN.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I didn't downvote anyone, and use Win10 (bias alert), it's very clear that most downvotes were tossed onto comments that completely disregard any concerns those who don't want to install have. And I agree, those comments are literally console peasantry levels of stupid. But a lot of these people need to get rid of their fucking tinfoil hats, too. There are no ads, and anyone who claims there are, is probably uninformed. There is no spyware - Unless you use Cortana, all Microsoft gathers is simple usage statistics - And yes, that's on Win 7 too.
you're going to love those automatically updates /s
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just bought a dell laptop as a replacement for my hp hot plate, came with windows 10
feels like they made bloatware an os fuck off with this shit
now to either install win7 or linux
calivino ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been running win 10 since October. Never had a problem and didn't take long to turn the privacy off. Its not bad just give it a chance
jesperbj ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 16:30:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a recommended update now.
Good news:
It's a great operation system.
You can easily roll back to 7 or 8. I think you have a month
I've had no issues since upgrading
Dishevel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:21:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is the full essence of peasantry to profess to your brothers the joys of choice being taken from you.
Please stop.
jesperbj ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had recommended updates turned on. Microsoft recommends this update. They updated. Not to mention that - He has to say yes to upgrade still AND that he can easily roll back if he doesn't like it.
I would like to point out that as a Systems Administrator for a transportation company I do not have to worry much. Have one system on 10 to test compatibility and have everything setup so that Microsoft can not fuck my systems.
That said.
For most users, install recommended is default on, they will not change it. No one would think that a recommended Update would include being forced onto an entire new system.
Update and Upgrade are different words for a reason. Microsoft is doing this purposefully. Their intent is to force people over as fast as possible. They want everyone on the new system as it gives them tons of data to monetize.
You go ahead though. Keep telling people it is fine. Go buy your games on the Windows store.
jesperbj ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Of course they want people on their newest platform. They have huge problems with so many people staying on their old OSes for way too long. Far beyond their support date. That's a major problem.
I don't see why it's a problem upgrading people - As long as it's a better experience (which is for me and all the people I've talked to (and I go to a techy school)) and free.
And thank you, I will buy games where I prefer, which I recommend everyone do. Note: I'm not for that their new games are exclusive. I'd love for them to be on Steam. But it's the exact same thing for well, Steam, Uplay and Origin. Not to mention the consoles.
Wow. I had no idea that Steam prevented people from releasing on other platforms. Would love to read the story.
Does Steam also prevent access to the game files on your computer?
Do they prevent modding, and support for a bunch of features?
Windows app store is not a good thing. It is not there to make your life better. We already know what they do. We can and should assume their behavior based on massive amount of history we have on them.
It is about control and leverage. Windows apps will work decently for what Microsoft wants to work. There will be "issues" with things that Microsoft does not want to work. Extend, Embrace, Extinguish
Really? Hiding the files in the system was simply because it was new?
This is not a mistake. It was the way they wanted it.
The features that do not work, do not fail to work because there is a store. It fails to work because Microsoft thought it would be a great idea to restrict as much assess to the files on the local machine as possible and still have it work. This is what causes the issues. They do want to find a way to make it work. But they want even more to make sure they have it as restricted as possible.
They are fucking you.
Don't bother arguing with them. Look at his posting history. I'm pretty sure he is a MS shill being paid to defend MS. Saw this crap all the time with old internet forms, I even knew a friend who told me she worked at a PR firm that was hired to do exactly this.
Mech9k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, sell your PC, and get consoles, you are a peasant with all the defending of console gaming antics being forced on PC.
Sweet. Make sure to patch the shitty Bluetooth. Never works right.
XiRw ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No surprise the Linux cockroaches are here when this simple problem can be fixed in a multitude of ways including uninstalling the update. But I guess when you don't know anything about computing the simplest answer must be to change their OS.
-Funny how I am downvoted yet I am not wrong (:
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong, and I use Linux on my laptop for everyday use. I made the comment in regards to needing windows for 2 work applications and games. Also yes I could have loaded GWX, but honestly I have never had a issues when my settings say "check for updates but let me chose when to install"
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 16:27:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just upgrade to 10 ffs, it's better OS anyway, disable all updates / spying stuff and you're done.
Never had a single issue with win 10 since preview copies.
I dont want a free upgrade to trash. I'd rather downgrade to XP. Also, its free because they sell your information to add companies. Not that you care. You'd probably take it in the ass if you got a free light bulb
If theres something wrong with my computer I know my wife messed with it
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do, but she is a long time Mac heathen I just recently built her a rig for school. So she has no idea how to turn that shit back on let alone would do it.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just fucking download it then. It's still newer and better than Windows 7. Linux guys keep going on about being "bleeding edge" and new, why can't Windows users do it too?
mizifih ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:26:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Auto update FTW!
eXXaXion ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:10:05 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is anyone on here fighting windows 10? You need it for DX12, it's pretty good and if you aren't committing felonies on your computer the privacy issues don't matter. No one cares if you fap to hentai. Microsoft won't share your boring ass life with anyone.
cause people dont like being forced. Would you perhaps like it if someone just came in and changed everything in your house to a bunch of shit that you dident want, + a few cameras to record your life (they wont share it with anyone ofc)
eXXaXion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Microsoft trying to force people to get Win 10 is bad alright. But Win 10 itself isn't bad at all, it's awesome, so why fight it?
That argument is so bad. Yeah you are right, Win 10 is the exact same as signing up for big brother. That's also why it's perfectly legal in every countryon this planet. Using Win 10 is like being Truman.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:51:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is anyone on here fighting windows 10?
Because they have concerns, and while some are wearing tinfoil hats, others are legitimate concerns. Not every side to upgrading is positive, even if most people don't have those issues.
You need it for DX12
Only because Microsoft decided it should be that way, which is utter bullshit. Win10 isn't that different from Win8.1, except for appearance. The limitation is arbitrary, and completely uncalled for.
if you aren't committing felonies on your computer the privacy issues don't matter.
I'm sorry, I won't even bother to reply to that. Please do some research, you're clearly uninformed.
Microsoft won't share your boring ass life with anyone.
True, but you still probably don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah my argument about felonies was bad. It's just that people act like using Win 10 is like being Truman. Also yes, I only know a bit about the privacy issues but I know it's legal in my country and my government takes privacy very serious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it works for you, that's completely. No one's telling you that you have to be an activist and fight Microsoft - Those who do are quite possibly delusional. ยจBut please, don't ever use this weird argument that it's somehow okay for something to violate your rights - They exist for a reason.
It does not violate your rights though. If it did, it would be illegal. Keep in mind, it's not just legal in the US, which is kinda iffy in privacy. Windows 10 is legal on the entire planet.
Which rights does it violate exactly? Please tell me, I wanna learn. Also, explain why it's legal even though it violates certain rights, which you will mention.
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simpson409 ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 19:01:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
am i the only one who shuts his pc off during the night?
CreamNPeaches ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:30:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's how it should be. Electricity ain't free.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:45:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In sleep mode it should be using next to nothing anyways.
But back when I had utilities included, my PC had an uptime that would rival most servers.
CreamNPeaches ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:26:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but with an SSD using sleep mode isn't really necessary, since boot times are so short. I've read that sometimes they have trouble coming out of sleep, not sure if there's any truth to that though.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:55:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use sleep mode because I want my stuff open where I left it, aside from that it's no different.
And that's only an issue with people who wanted to put the SSD as their secondary drive in their MacBooks (because the primary one is the one with the drop sensor that stops the HDD to prevent damage), but boot from it, when waking from sleep it'd try and restore sleep from the primary drive.
As far as using it as your first drive and sleep with it, it works perfectly fine, even for MacBooks.
Auparo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:05:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can use hibernate for that then. I use hibernate over sleep because I turn off the power brink entirely(my desk is in my room. The lights from monitors are aggravating at night sometimes)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just unplugged my case LED, it's dark even when it's on.
As far as monitors go, just make sure to avoid monitors that blink blue on standby, I gave away a 1080p Samsung monitor due to that shit, now have a BenQ and a Dell, both just glow a dim Orange on standby.
Thorin_The_Viking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:26 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you enable hibernate with an SSD, it partitions a section equal to your RAM, in which to write the current system state. Not sure if it does it with HDD also.
It can be a problem for people that use the SSD as their boot disk, and have an 60-80gig or something, with 32 GB of RAM. Suddenly, a significant portion goes to being able to hibernate.
Auparo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It shouldn't wear at the SSD though right?
Dannysia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:29 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just writing the contents of RAM to the disk. If you had 4/8b of ram in use when you hibernate, it would write 4gb to the 8gb hibernation file (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). It wouldn't wear at the SSD much more than normal use though. On modern SSDs hibernating isn't an issue other than possibly massive hiberfil.sys file.
Thorin_The_Viking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:04 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's true, but it partitions that space, so it doesn't really matter if you have 4 of 8, 2 of 8, or even .25 of 8, you still have 8 gb of space dedicated to hibernation.
Dannysia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:23 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would write the equivalent amount of space as there is RAM to an HDD, since it needs somewhere to store the files.,
Gooey_Gravy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:33 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously I reach down and turn on my PC and by the time I've sat down it's done booting.
CreamNPeaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to boot up, get a glass of water/coffee or use the bathroom (or both) then I'd sit down and still had time before the login would come up. Now I don't even have time to get a cup of coffee.
Mkvarner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But are all your programs open exactly as they were when you turned of the PC? I never reboot unless I have to because it is annoying to load 20 tabs in Chrome, open programs etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind my boot times, I just turn on my PC and go grab snacks or water in the meantime.
I'm going to feel so off balanced when I get around to buying an SSD for Windows :p
CreamNPeaches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll love the SSD far more than your snacks. It's so fast. I hate working on other computers because they're so slow.
BillionBalconies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:55 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's more to it than just boot times, though. If you've got a decent amount of RAM, Windows will use as much of it as possible to cache data from the harddrive (or the SSD), which will make reloading and reopening apps and files much faster the second time around. You lose that cache when you reboot, slowing your overall experience down massively.
CreamNPeaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't noticed any particular slow down when I reboot every day. My hard disk programs take a bit longer to load but even that isn't that bad. My system is just over a year old, so it's still fresh.
BillionBalconies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try timing it for yourself - open an app, close it, then try opening it again. The second time it will be cached into memory, and it should open a lot faster. That second-time opening speed boost is the benefit you lose when you reboot your system.
CreamNPeaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand how caching works, I'm saying it's not much of a difference for me to cache my system for the next time I use it.
grandoz039 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But some people dont have SSD
CreamNPeaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is fine, using sleep mode is much more beneficial when you have a hard disk.
fgdadfgfdgadf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:01:58 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you turn it off it at the wall it uses literally nothing!
Spinkler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:04:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A modern PC idling with the screens off uses very little power, too.
Floatharr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:38:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Math says it costs ~0.89โฌ a month to keep it on every night, automatic sleep mode puts that price to close to zero. I'll pay that to not have to restart my programs in the morning. Afaik windows can wake up a pc for scheduled updates in the middle of the night though.
ZhalfirinCrusader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows can indeed wake from sleep mode up to install updates, it also irritatingly wakes me from my sleep as well to do it. You can disable the timer that does this, except it seems from time to time certain updates seem to reset the timer back to its original setting and starting the whole infuriating cycle over again.
OceanOfSpiceAndSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:54 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some places it is negligible. My lunch at work is 10 times more expensive than my daily electricity bill. The computer stays on. I remote home enough times that it is worth it.
TokyoJokeyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:36 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered making lunch at home?
OceanOfSpiceAndSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:29 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually have considered that, but because of the nutritional value. I ultimately find my cooking atrocious and would rather spend that time working, so I go early to work.
ReyasWI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:26 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My computer has a very hard time starting up these days. Once it's running, there's no problem, but I'm worried one day I'm gonna hit the power button and Big Anders will just start coughing up blood.
Argosy37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My electricity is free, as I have "all utilities paid" included in my apartment bill. I reboot my PC once a month. I also run my AC 24/7. I should really think about mining some bitcoin...
CreamNPeaches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on your hardware. Rebooting with a hard disk can be slow as shite, but faster with a SSD. Keeping your PC on is fine, but I prefer to turn off almost everything before I go to sleep, because random shit can happen in the middle of the night. I don't want my PC to be affected by electrical demons is what I'm trying to say.
nn123654 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:26 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered about this. I wonder how many bitcoin mining rigs you can setup before the police apply for a search warrant under suspicion of running a grow house.
Argosy37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I looked up bitcoin mining and right now it seems that even if your electricity is free, it's hard to make back the cost of your hardware. So much for that idea.
JaxMones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:34:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in standby mode it amounts to something like $5-10 a year
_sosneaky ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's using less power in sleep mode than your tv and stereo system are using in standby mode.
Do you unplug your living room entertainment system at night? No? I didn't think so.
Bernie1400 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do, the red led:s on the 230T look good but not when you're trying to sleep.
The_Algerian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During the night, Chrono Shutdown is like the Robin to my Batman.
StandUp713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I turn mine off at night. When I had Win 10 installed, it would turn my computer on overnight. Back to 7 for me.
AgeKayn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to unplug mine or it starts by itself at 3 am to install an update. Coming home after a few days of absence and seeing the blinking power LED is really infuriating.
meunbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to just sleep my PC at night, but my new motherboard won't let me turn off the flashing power light during sleep so now I just shut it down. Boot time is so fast sleep is a waste anyways, unless you'll be back in a couple hours or something.
Dizman7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I shut mine off on weeknights, but leave it on (but in sleep mode) on weekends.
COOL-BEANS1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put mine to sleep, I do not have a ssd though so it takes a while to boot up
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I turn mine off when I'm not using it. Might not save that much, but I'd still rather have that money in my pocket than the electric company's. The extra boot time is a non-issue with SSDs now.
I remember coming across an ongoing forum debate many years ago (think it was on Guru3D), that repeated power cycles damaged hardware due to thermal stress. That's why they all left their systems on 24/7. As someone who likes to get thorough use out of his gadgets, I've never once came across a part failing because of this. Maybe on the early last gen consoles, but that was due to inadequate cooling.
TheyAreAllTakennn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:12 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol look at this guy who has the mental capability to think ahead!
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol prolly
[deleted] ยท 679 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GregTheMad ยท 192 points ยท Posted at 19:10:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He "woke up to this", he never denied that he left his PC unattended.
Next time he should make sure to lock the PC, shut it down, unplug the PU, and take the hard drives and SSDs into bed as a plush toy.
Wave3D ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:12:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he could have stopped it if he was at his computer?
GregTheMad ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:16:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, pulling the plug is always an option.
mortiphago ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 19:28:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said, while discussing grandma's situation
sofaraway731 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 20:44:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oshit.jpg
Dergono ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:45 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheeky little engine
The_Cave_Troll ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually sleep with my phone in my bed. Is that weird?
spacedoutinspace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:13:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dont worry, Microsoft will get around that by sending someone to your house, knocking you out while your asleep (might not be necessary, this is extra punishment) and put your computer back together and install windows 10, as a bonus, it probaly wont start and you will be forced into troubleshooting over your weekend....dont even think about going back to windows 8.1 or lower, that lump on your head should be a reminder.
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:12:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You let Microsoft touch to your PC!!
You know they will do anything they want to it!!
captainbatfleck ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:18:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unattended? Last night I was In a late night CS GO match and my PC straight up restarted and updated me to Windows 10..i wasn't even ready to issue it to update
tallwhiteman ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:26:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lies, you scheduled the install for later that night...and forgot about it while playing games
octeddie91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:39:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me. On my fiancรฉ's laptop, Windows 10 update comes up, delay to later without reading, and a few hours later in Civ 5 it just restarts and updates to Windows 10. Fuck...
I like Windows 10, but on her laptop no audio drivers work for it so you get no audio...the audio drivers that say are for Windows 10 just give an error "device not found" when the device took me to that website.
TheAmazing_OMEGA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, i upgraded a friend to Windows 10 and had to reinstall a bunch of drivers, it was a real pain in the ass.
Just revert to the old operating system and turn off all windows updates and shit.
captainbatfleck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:02:00 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't though. I was pretty sure I didn't even schedule it at all. I wasn't even aware it downloaded..
baolin21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Windows won't restart unless YOU postpone the update.
b10011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:25:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it have been doing that. In the middle of match my computer just restarts and says "updates installed". It haven't asked me if I want to postpone or not, it just restarts.
baolin21 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 08:26:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it doesn't "just restart" because Windows won't do it unless you tell it to.
b10011 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:30:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so nice you tell that to me even though it has done it two times past week and it didn't ask anything.
Windows is shit, I just hope AAA titles comes to Linux with services like ESEA on some day ;_;
EDIT:
http://superuser.com/questions/957267/how-to-disable-automatic-reboots-in-windows-10
Oh and what is this "automatic scheduling" sounds like it doesn't fucking ask for my permission to restart... Next time don't share your "facts" before you have researched the subject and know those are facts!
baolin21 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:33:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't force any updates on me at all. The last one that it did was because I updated it.
So you had to have seen the update, said "no update later" this postponing the update (and windows doesn't check what processes are running, only if you told an update "not now") and then it restarted conveniently both times during games.
b10011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check my edit and I don't give a single fuck if it doesn't force them on you. It forces them for me and that is the thing I care of. No, I haven't seen anything ask me to tell it to not update now. It just restarts mid-match.
baolin21 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:29:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't play shitty games, take the hint.
b10011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go play cod you filthy peasant #CSMasterRace
Also it's not problem with the game, the problem is the shitty operating system. And yes, I know you can play CSGO on Linux but I play ESEA and unfortunately enough you can't run ESEA client on Linux. Aaand yes I know of faceit but it's crap compared to ESEA...
baolin21 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:51:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only see two jokes here, CSGO and your shitty Windows joke.
b10011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, games usually are jokes for noobs. So for you all games are jokes, am I right?
Also the fact that you are wrong and then start insulting my gaming habits tells about your mental growth more than you'd want to admit.
baolin21 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a teenager, my mind is doing shit I don't even know. The reason I do it is cause I know I'm wrong.
b10011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:33 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough
captainbatfleck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. Don't think I even remember doing that either. Each time that Windows 10 notification came up I just exited it out.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:05:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is ridiculous, I can't believe Microsoft has taken this route.
Alexell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me frightened to put automatic updates back on.
Wave3D ยท 1135 points ยท Posted at 16:29:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a sad day when you have to fight your OS for control of your computer.
primitiveType ยท 769 points ยท Posted at 17:42:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't let you do that Dave.
Wave3D ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 17:56:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take the upgrade Dave it is for your own good.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 18:32:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Dave, it says here you were looking at "Middle Aged Dilfs", would you like me to order some "Middle Aged Dilfs" from the Windows Store, Dave?
steveng95 ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also updated your facebook profile to show your interest in this.
cylindrical418 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:41:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you liked it so much, Dave, I also made it your wallpaper, as well as a slideshow of 500 "Middle Aged Dilfs" images as your lock screen.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:16:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok, by now i'm too afraid to ask what Dilfs even are. somehow im imagining tapirs but that is probably not right.
IchigoRadiance ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:29:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what MILFs are correct? It means Mother I'd like to F*** They refer to really attractive mothers that you want to have sex with. Dilfs are the dad equivalent.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:31:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh, ok. now im sad it's not tapirs. but thanks for explaining.
ToxicOnPurpose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was laughing at it imagining HAL9000 saying DILF over and over again, but yeah, now that I know what it is, it's not as funny.
It is still pretty funny though.
Chonkway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:26 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do not worry Dave, it has been permanently embedded, so no one can change it. No need to fret about people changing your love for DILFS.
Steelreign10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give me "nude tayne".
legayredditmodditors ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:38:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I took the liberty of replacing your antiquated steam library with some superior UWT games, Dave.
Accept the future, your library will be assimilated.
Jin_Gitaxias ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:20:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
Coldstripe ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:24:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lower your firewalls and disable your antivirus. Prepare to be assimilated.
Wave3D ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:59:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I blocked the updates but they keep adapting.... noooooo....
Coldstripe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cycle the modulation frequency on your router buffers!
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Done, but this will only buy us some time, there are only 65,000 ports to cycle through, if only we had IPV6 online.....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare your ass
SuperWeegee4000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This upgrade is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
ROFLBRYCE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't let you do that, Wave3D *
Kingsleyofcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't let you do that Star Fox...
HirmaGirma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Affirmative Dave, I read you ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
mattv8 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 19:35:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had to uninstall/hide the "Get Windows 10" update so many times on my Surface that I have the update number memorized: KB3035583 . It's maddening.
Tasty_Toast_Son ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 21:33:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
MLG Pro Haxxor Tip
Works like a charm.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:41:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TwitchingCheese ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:49:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think, but if Microsoft alters it by updating the files with a new version or something it'll push it back out and you'll have to hide it again.
TheOtherRoom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:35:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's bullshit
_sosneaky ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:34:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now imagine being on an OS where you can no longer choose to deny upgrades...
deeluna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:26:33 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't even have to do that. They just made the updates related to windows 10, and I mean all of them not just the gwx.exe, unhidable so that even if you hide it, they ignore your input and unhide on the next refresh of "available updates"
mattv8 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:17:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One would think, yet periodically that icon reappears in my taskbar forcing me to uninstall and rehide the update.
Stevey854 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guess you don't have pro then?
mattv8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surface Pro 3, Win 8.1 Home Premium
Stevey854 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:25:10 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need windows pro to properly block the updates
JohnQAnon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just stopped updating outright. Fuck safety, I just don't want 10
Headbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check out wsusoffline. It will manually download and apply only security updates.
Kung-Fu_Boof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392
Lryder2k6 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So glad to have Windows 7 Enterprise these days. I can't upgrade even I wanted to. I'll still get Win 10 when more games using DX12 are out and put it on a new SSD though.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dude jsut update your fucking surface. 10 is so much better on it. Fucking seriously I dont understand you fucking people
mattv8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have Win 10 on my desktop and I love it. However I strongly believe MS fucked up the touch interface for Win 10; Win 8.1 is much better for the Surface IMO. As a few examples: * The clock can be viewed in any app simply by swiping from the right edge * Switching between apps is as simple from swiping from the left edge * Settings for WiFi are more accessible in the charms bar
Ddevil5 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:09:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps one day we can play all of the games on Linux. Then you can do whatever the hell you want to your os AND play the latest titles.
Over9000Zeros ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:19:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 installed an update for me on the 8th that pretty much rendered my computer useless. It would infinitely load with those little does. I had to restart it and hope it would go into recovery mode.
2 times I had to restore to an earlier date. I hope it doesn't find a way to update again.
Humperdink_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:33:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Mine has a popup that pulls me out of whatever game im running back to the desktop.
Edit: after reading this thread, and as someone who doesnt game often, i may be switching to linux and removing microsoft from my home.
Two-Tone- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just know that if you use AMD hardware (GPU) you will suffer a performance loss. AMD's linux driver suck ass compared to Nvidia's drivers or even AMD's own Windows drivers. Supposedly they'll get a lot better in the future.
There are also a number of devs who release low quality ports. We're talking lower performance, missing options, etc. Thankfully that number is shrinking and more devs are putting effort into their ports.
I say this without bias. I'm a Linux user AND my GPU is a 390 (yes, yes, I know; should have gone with a 390), I just thought I'd warn you.
Humperdink_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My computer is used primarily for running my ebay shit. I do game a little bit but not too much. My friend put a evga graphics card in it but it does have amd processor.
Two-Tone- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you should be good.
masterchiefs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Press Esc when it pop-up, the update window still appears but only in background and you stay in your game. That shit pissed me off cuz it lead to a lot of stupid death in Smite :(
Humperdink_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean i just click the icon for the game at the top of the screen and im back in it....its as if i acidentslly pressed windows button. Fuck em, thats not what i paid for. They ruined their own product.
Headbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:27 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dualbooting is a good option when transitioning. Resize your windows partition. Free up around 32gigs for linux and you'll be fine. As always, backup files just to be safe.
I_Speak_For_The_Ents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird... that update fixed steam for me. I had been unable to open any games for like a week.
transcendReality ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 20:01:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Install Linux, dual boot, and never look back. Microsoft is basically giving Windows 10 out for free because of the Windows store that is associated with it. They're pretty much betting the desktop farm on it. Linux already has over 2,000 games available to play on Steam, and we can expect to see a lot more in the coming months/years, especially with the recent release of AMD Vulcan. I used Microsoft Windows from the time I was 18, all the way until I was 38 years old, when I switched to OpenSuse Linux.
I love it. It is easily one of most beautiful operating systems in existence, imho, and it's incredibly slick. Linux has pretty much gotten to the point that you don't have to have any familiarity with the command line in order to use it, install programs, etc. However, you will eventually come across scenarios in which you have to familiarize yourself with basic command line usage if it becomes your default OS. Installation is also very easy, all of my drivers were installed automatically, and the first thing the installation did was enable multi-monitors (one of which is 1440p, Windows doesn't do this). Once you're on the desktop, a plethora of updates needs to be installed, but once that's done, everything just works- codecs, browser updates, 4k YouTube, it all works.
Virtually every program you can think of in Windows has an Linux, opensource equivalent, and there's far more eye candy in terms of themes, desktop effects, and windows decorations, than Windows could ever dream of. I'm so done with Windows for everyday usage, and I hate booting back into it just to play a game. Eventually, I'll get the hardware I need for direct i/o virtualization in Linux so that I can just run Windows in a virtual machine. I wish I would have switched a long time ago- I don't even need to run a anti-virus. Make the switch to Linux, if you don't like it for whatever reason, you can certainly move right back to Windoze...
CrateDane ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 20:27:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vulkan is not from AMD, it's from Khronos. AMD developed Mantle, and part of that went into Vulkan, but there are major differences between Mantle and Vulkan too.
transcendReality ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:57:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know that, thank you.
Wave3D ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:11:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would if I could, but there is some windows only business software I rely on...
But for 90% of people that is perfect advice.
transcendReality ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:10:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The advice includes running Windows in a virtual machine, so it applies to you as well :)
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:12 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That day is getting closer....
Kinda sad... win fanboy sad....
waterlubber42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:22:21 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't be that guy if you're a win fanboy. You know:
"Don't port (x) game to Linux"
"Linux hays no gammez"
"win 10 works fine I just needed to install 18 drivers"
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:55 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No not me, with win8/10, I burned my M$ fan boy card.
Win8/10 are truly awful.
Games should be ported to Linux, as all software should be.
Linux has a fair number of games and with SteamOS a ton of strong ground in the area.
And no one should buy or build win store games ever!
waterlubber42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:D
Tenn1518 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:55 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Dual-boot, if you have enough space anyways. Otherwise you could try Wine or virtual machines.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep getting closer to that....
GABENS_HAIRY_CUNT ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:35:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be real though. 2000 games, sure. But not the majority of the ones people want to play.
Maybe it will change in the future, but it's still hard to justify the transition in the near future unless you want to give up a lot of your current/future library.
transcendReality ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:38:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I can't argue with having to boot into Windows to play certain games, but do you really want to browse Reddit in Windows??? I know I don't, and the more I use Linux, the less I like Windows. All I'm saying is to dual boot, do your Reddit browsing, and play your Linux compatible games in Linux, switch to Windows only when necessary. What we need is numbers on Steam Linux in order to convince game studios that the numbers are there for triple A title releases on Linux. We just need a majority of the desktop gaming community to switch to Linux for their everyday desktop usage, and everything else will happen naturally.
EDIT- Running Linux is like casting a vote in an important election- you are counted. On which side do we want the scale to fall???
LoverOfAsians ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Street Fighter V, Dota 2, Rocket League and CS:GO all run on Linux, so I'm pretty happy. I might have to install Windows 10 for Overwatch though...
RoninOni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there are plenty of games I would enjoy on Linux, but can I give up all the windows exclusives?
Not yet.
This is where dual boot can be nice, but then you have to restart for those windows games.
DX12 will likely maintain a strong Windows exclusive library going forward as well. Vulkan will offer more competition finally, but there will still be a lot of dx12 games, you can count on it.
DSMcGuire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wont change to Linux because it has no games. Game Devs wont make game for Linux because of lack of market share.
Eventually you have to decided if you want MS to control your computer and gaming or not.
therightclique ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do. They've done a fantastic job at it for the last 20+ years of my life. Linux has definitely not.
DSMcGuire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crack on then buddy, enjoy privacy settings getting turned back off/on, your computer updating whenever it feels like, getting spied on... yada yada yada... What do you think even started this thread?!
canabanana87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:02 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't get you people. This is a thread of people complaining about the OS that other people use. If he wants to use Windows then let him. If you want to use Linux then use it. You nor him are forcing anyone to use either. It's the same shit with iOS and Android, use what you want and be done with it.
DSMcGuire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down man, it's just a discussion over the internet.
Headbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:12 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love linux but feel the need to mention you also lose that nvidia feature that sets the graphics settings in games.
BlueShellOP ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I dual boot - almost none of the games I want to play are in Linux - also the Nvidia driver package is borked in Arch for now.
The only Linux games I play "consistently" right now:
mercury187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about win 10 enterprise? Does that still have windows store crap?
transcendReality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet yes, but I'm not sure.
stephen_1975 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:30:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does, but I just uninstalled the Store and every other app I could find. :D
RoninOni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The store didn't really do anything... It's like uninstalling steam.
I can't see myself BUYING anything there, but I'll take free shit...
And xboned to pc games will likely run through it because it's UWP shit basically functions the same as xboned, so minimal porting work required. Just understand it's 100% a console game. I haven't heard of a single game that's interested me yet, but hey, access to Xbox "exclusives" is hardly a downside if it's purely optional.
baolin21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:26 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't uninstall the store. Period.
stephen_1975 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:34 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes you can.
CCleaner saw it as just another program, same goes for Revo Uninstaller. It's dead, Jim.
Kind of annoying actually, thinking I might have overreacted, been looking for a way to reinstall it now without resetting my Windows :)
baolin21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were stupid to remove it.
chilled_alligator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went a completely different direction, I hackintoshed my PC because I wanted an OS I have control over, and I need it to have native LoL support, no wine bullshit. I honestly prefer it to windows 10, by far, and the game library is comparable if not better than Linux.
transcendReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, Apple makes great stuff, some of the best, but because I vote with my wallet, and with the headers (or whatever) attached to my ip address, I refuse to use them. I hope you pirated OS X :)
chilled_alligator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Created an install drive from my sisters MacBook, didn't send apple a dime.
transcendReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good, they have enough money. My one buddy washed tens of thousands of MP3's on iTunes.
AmansRevenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speedfan, OneNote + Pen support, all those keyboard rgb programs, and just on top of my head, and without the first two, it's a nono for me, besides missing so many Games
croppergib ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:22:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, as someone who has a friend who rams linux down my throat everytime I go out - it doesn't have the common programs I use and the "alternative" ones are buggy or not with full features compared to the windows versions. If you're a programmer, linux seems to be the tits, but for the general gamer it's not a viable system.
How many triple A games on release work on linux? What about 2-3yrs later? How many never even make it? What about driver support for graphics cards?
Even fucking skype on ubuntu was a pile of shit when I tried it. RPC over HTTP didn't work on the email program. That's just two of everyday programs I have to use. Alternatives seem to say use Wine as well but it's not the same is it.
It's fine that you like linux, but many people don't have the time to learn a new O/S from their busy life, and if you're a gamer it's not a good choice.. but a programmer, dual boot is a good option.
FoggyDonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically you can just use Windows for gaming and Linux for productivity and browsing
croppergib ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:27:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
make sense, need to load up chrome. Let's just reboot into another OS :/
transcendReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? Rebooting into another OS gives my RAID 0 SSD array a reason to live..
FoggyDonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you care to fiddle with it you can use a Vm and vga passthrough
transcendReality ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Name the programs.
Like I said, dual boot Windows if you have to, or have a new enough system to run Windows in a virtual machine with direct i/o access. From my perspective, I'd do whatever I had to do to NOT have to run Windoze. Do you really want to support the virtual death of the PC gaming industry?
I edit photos, I do basic CAD, I game, program, enjoy high res music and video, I even play with software defined radios, all on Linux. When did you try Skype on Ubuntu? Software is constantly changing, one bad release means absolutely nothing.
croppergib ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:32:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't linux users be like "each to their own". I grew up with DOS 6.0... I've grown up with windows and I know it inside out from the registry, commands, tweaks, fixes and troubleshooting. Linux is far from user friendly and I don't have the time to change if the benefits for linux outwayed my needs for which windows provides.
Windows store is shit, it won't ever succeed so I'm not worried about that.
I'm a gamer with a 980ti. Tell me why would I ever think on changing from Windows to Linux when I want to play triple A games on release?
transcendReality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's about politics, man. It's about not supporting shitty company's, like Microsoft, that literally make things worse for gamers and software developers. How did Bill Gates get to be one of the richest men on the planet? By charging far too much money for what is an essential product for so many people and companies. I don't know about you, but I really like free stuff, especially when it works as good as, or in many respects, better, than competing products that actually cost money. I "shove" Linux down people's throats because it will be good for all of us if Microsoft just quietly dies, and that's not going to happen if their Windows store succeeds.
If Windows dies, all development efforts, from ALL industries, for the desktop, will be focused on Linux, and we will be one step closer to a perfect world.
PickpocketJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"but you can just write a grep for whatever you need!"
cylindrical418 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people keep throwing this around? Yes, Linux has 2000 Steam games, but probably only a dozen of them are actual games (mostly AAA games) that people want to play.
baolin21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:39:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get GTAV running on my hardware running exactly like it does on Windows without WINE, then I'll make the Linux switch. Actually I have a comment that outlines all the problems an average Windows user faces with Linux.
Here.
But there's one thing I forgot to mention that really pisses me off: The lock screen sometimes messed up and I get the Ubuntu one, sometimes I get the eOS one, sometimes it's just purple with dots.
ALSO! Windows Mobile isn't recognized. And I am not getting a new phone, period.
ONE MORE THING! Scrolling is really messed up in everything.
As a Windows user, fuck the terminal. Fuck everything about it. I want to open a file and have it install that way, not type a command into a box and watch it install. This isn't the 90's, the terminal needs to be hidden away like in OS X.
And I don't trust open source software, because anyone can get into the code and start changing shit or put a virus into it.
transcendReality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I'm not saying make the switch full time, dual boot between the two, and do your everyday tasks/browsing on Linux.
When you install software, burn iso's, etc, on Linux, you're supposed to verify the checksum to insure it's legit, and it's really easy to do. With regard to the command line, with a cheat sheet, it's pie in the sky. No, "anyone can get into it" is just total bs...
baolin21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:29:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do have it dual booted. The ISO md5sum matched.
I don't want a cheat sheet. I'm using Windows for the rest of my life since Linux does things backwards. Actually now I'm going to go format the drive Linux was on then install OS X to it, because even OS X is better at being an OS than Linux ever will be.
I 100% don't even want to look at the terminal, and if there's something that I want to do and it says to use terminal, I'll just use an alternative. Because I don't want to use it. Ever. It's out of the way on Windows and OS X, the same should be said for Linux.
transcendReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA, you sound like Apple and Microsoft PR double agent. I want you to mark my words: Linux will be the last (desktop) operating system left standing. If you knew anything about it, you'd know just how far it's come, and just how far it's going to go. It has already survived decades, and that's without even being able to to play most games, and in a far less polished state than it is, now. It's only going to get better.
There's already a bunch of great games available on Steam Linux, and it's only a matter of time until triple A game releases start gracing the Linux desktop, as a matter of fact, several are already planned for it. You speak about the command line as though it's something that will always be an essential part of Linux, and that's just not the least bit true.
You're probably not old enough to remember Microsoft DOS, but it was part of the Windows ecosystem for a very long time, even now, small parts of still exist in the Windows code, and you can still bring up a cmd prompt. Linux is hardly any different, and Apple OS X has the same roots as Linux. Even now, there is probably a way to do everything in Linux by pointing and clicking, and that will only become more so. Linux is simply evolving, and from my perspective, far faster than Microsoft Windows, and when you consider most of it was done and offered for free...
Linux is a no brainer. Keep giving Microsoft and Apple your hard earned money- pretty soon, Apple will have so much money, they'll own the planet, and people like you will have made that possible..
baolin21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure there are a ton of great games on linux. I have 90, I play about 30. About 7 of them are on Linux.
And, Show me a way to install a noobslab theme without the terminal. Show me a screenfetch thing without Terminal. Show me an executable or drag and drop installer that doesn't link through Terminal.
I'm not an Apple or MSFT PR agent at all. I have money invested into Microsoft, so to leave it that would leave me in the negative. "Fuck the money I spent on games and software, let's go somewhere where Photoshop, Premier, FL Studio and GTA doesn't exist!" Real fucking sound logic there, huh?
Oh I'm sorry, didn't mean to diss your perfect fucking OS.
I'm tired of this thread, muting it.
ElBeefcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask RockStar, the community can't do native ports for GTA because they don't have the source code.
No it's not, scrolling is awesome.
The terminal is completely optional for regular desktop usage on a modern Linux distribution that is aimed at the regular end users. On the other hand, the terminal is also one of the most powerful tools you have to manipulate a system (Microsoft is now finally following this reasoning with PowerShell). You don't have to use it, but you'd be stupid not to.
This made me doubletake. The entire point of open source is that anyone can audit the code to see if any harmful additions have been made. If Microsoft adds some backdoors to Windows for the NSA (lol, if), nobody really knows. If someone does the same to the Linux kernel, there are a shitload of companies (Red Hat, Canonical, IBM, ...) that will be able to find this and revert the change. In every sense of the word, open source software is more trustworthy entirely BECAUSE anyone can get into the code.
baolin21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like Rockstar listens to the customers.
No it's not, scrolling on my mouse is broken but it's fine on my tracpad.
The terminal is 100% NOT optional. Some things require you to use it. And I just don't want to, as someone who isn't a power user at all, like AT ALL, I WANT TO AVOID IT PERIOD.
And I don't care, I don't support open source. I don't support linux in general, as most of the community will tell me why I'm wrong to use Windows, say shit about the "privacy issues" (same ones that exist in OS X since the early 2000's, and there aren't even any concerns) or they tell you how you're wrong for using Debian over Mint or Mint instead of Fedora or Fedora instead of Arch.
And there's the other issue, there's too many different versions. I only need eOS for like two things, and it's basically unusable because the drivers are shitty, the way the OS feels is shitty.
I went into eOS with a very open mind. Knowing I don't know what I'm doing and knowing that it's going to be different from Windows. But know what I don't like to see in an OS I use daily? Vertical tearing. Vertical tearing in linux happens like a mother fucker, and it's very annoying. In videos, dragging windows, and the server thing for Nvidia for settings SUCKS.
Everything about Linux sucks, the OS's, the community, all of it. As someone who loves learning new technology, I try to stay away from Linux as a whole.
ElBeefcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give me an example of regular end-user functionality that you'd have to use the terminal for, cause as a long-time Linux user, I can't think of anything.
You make it sound like open source killed your family. People get enthusiastic about their technology choices (like you seem enthusiastic about Windows) and people suck, that's not an issue with the technology.
As a member of the PCMR, we should pride ourselves on having choice. There's no such thing as too much choice.
Driver issues are hardware vendor issues. The Linux community does its best to support things, but it's very hard when certain vendors don't want to work with us.
Are you using actual official nVidia drivers? I don't have these issues on my Geforce.
Then better stop using Reddit and most of the internet, cause that stuff runs on Linux.
Judging by how scared you are of a command line, you sound like the absolute opposite of someone who wants to learn new things.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
decent shareX clone
MSI afterburner
discord (all there is, is a wrapper)
shadowplay
Taiga
ELEMENTSDESTROYYOU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many desktop environments come with something akin to sharex already, for afterburner idk about overclocking but a simple bash script lets you make your own fan curves, idk anything about dischord or what taiga is, for shadowplay I couldn't find anything about nvidia even saying they are looking to support it in linux but I guess you could use obs.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"simple bash script"
No. I want a GUI to adapt a fan curve with.
"something akin" show me.
"obs" but I want shadowplay.
All Linux is to me, is the operating system indie kids use as they're 14-15 and want to feel cool.
ELEMENTSDESTROYYOU ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:01:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Text is scary.
Go load an iso into virtualbox.
Tell that to nvidia.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"text is scary"
I dont want to type a thing. I want to move my mouse, set it up graphically and be done with it. Windows uses a very good GUI for a reason.
-Allahu-Snackbar- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:20:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you should be asking nvidia to add fan curves to their driver or your preferred hardware vendor to make a GUI application to do it yourself, but that would involve typing.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no reason to. I have Windows.
ElBeefcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're using Linux right now.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:55:27 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not, but sure.
ElBeefcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:05:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are on Reddit, Reddit servers run on Linux, Most of the Internet runs on Linux, almost every super computer runs on Linux. Not a lot of 15 year olds have root on those machines.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:25:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about consumer use, and you know it.
ElBeefcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:12:00 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who admin those machines tend to also use Linux machines at home.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:55:41 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prove it.
ElBeefcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:09:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I admin those machines at work (Red Hat boxes mainly, but also some Solaris) and my house has:
What pisses me off about you is that your reaction to someone trying to help you, was to imply that he was an edgy teenager for using a certain OS.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:11:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you are one admin, and you use those machines. I mean, the girlfriend story doesn't sound so viable.
You = everyone?
Nobody tried to help me here, except passively-aggressively get assertive because they're part of the "linuxmasterrace"
ElBeefcake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:19:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask yourself one question: "Why would someone want to go into Linux systems administration/engineering, if they don't like Linux enough to use it?"
u/ELEMENTSDESTROYYOU gave a perfectly civil answer to your list of applications. I'm pretty sure you are the only person to read any passive-aggressiveness in his reply.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:34:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He actually gave no decent answer.
Cultiststeve ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:10:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you trade off for getting to use Windows.
Wave3D ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 17:12:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no ground to stand on to defend windows anymore : (
Your correct sir....
Edit: windows 7 is still good without the updates of spyware and auto 10 upgrades....
Dishevel ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steam now has Linux support on over 25% of its library and it is getting bigger.
Life is not bad having penguins as your roomies.
CrackCC_Lurking ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 17:30:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
25% not bad... 75% bad though :(
Dishevel ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is going up.
Has enough support that having your primary boot as Linux is pretty good. Still have to boot to Windows once in a while for some games.
IgnanceIsBliss ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:43:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only game I play that has linux support is cs:go. No AAA games are really pushing out linux products. It sucks. I use linux for my laptop usually, but I cant move my desktop over to it for gaming. It'd just be cutting too much out. I've even had one monitor playing games and one with a VM running linux on my desktop...but I just cant bring myself to fully commit to linux on my desktop.
Generic_Handel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:55:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stripped down my windows gaming computer of everything not related to gaming, no browsers, no software other than steam. I do pretty much everything on my linux laptop and when I want to run a windows game I just use steam streaming to play it on my laptop.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is set up similar but I stream sometimes so I have a few things on it. My laptop which is more of a throw away is all suited up with Linux though and tails os and a few other things :D
ChrisOfAllTrades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same.
It sits under my TV, booting to Big Picture.
Only used for gaming, I have a Linux laptop for actual "computer" stuff.
It's just like
Oh god
it's just like a console
you monsters, you did it, you really did it
I_ate_a_milkshake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a fully customizable inside and out with cheaper games console. the good kind of console.
disintegore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah no
I_ate_a_milkshake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a PC? isn't fully customizable? I'm not talking about windows so unbunch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing but I have a browser and more than just steam but basically games only
links_own ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:07:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say no AAA games. We've got XCOM 2, CS:GO, Civ V (and BE), Borderlands, Shadow of Mordor, Aliens: Isolation, and more. There are, of course, many publishers who don't want to publish their games to Linux because of the smaller audience. There are lots of indie and smaller devs releasing their stuff for Linux though.
grasspuddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Xcom2 on Linux, but not consoles. Damn.
StandUp713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:17 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does the windows key do when you use Linux?
links_own ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:04 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I understand. If you're asking if you already own a game on Steam for Windows, will it transfer your license to Linux? If that's the case, yes.
BrandeX ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you already named over half of them.
NoobInGame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered getting secondary GPU for Linux and create low level virtual machine for gaming with your beast card?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:27 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Dishevel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:33:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nvidia definitely has much better binary blob drivers than AMD on linux.
I have Nvidia so ...
My experience is Linux does really well. Hell, I can even get stuff that should not work on Linux running fairly well.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea thats my main scare, I like Nvidia and have had a few of their cards in the past, but I have always had a issue with it, or had to RMA it. So a few years back I switched to AMD and have never had any issues with any of my rigs. So im scared to use my AMD set rigs with Linux
LordSocky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:47:27 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, Linux is buggy as hell if you head into it thinking you know everything and make assumptions on how things work based on your time with Windows, leading you to make big mistakes
Alternatively if you don't suck, it's great
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is creating a router distro based on Debian, so its clearly more stable than Windows.
But dont download a bleeding edge distro, stick with LTS.
disintegore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be honest, freeBSD trumps them all. shit runs the internet basically.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Used to be that way for me until Manjaro. Never looked back. Stable rolling release OS with options to run anything bleeding edge and go right back if it doesn't work.
JustHev ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nowadays there are so much games on Steam that even when you reduce yourself to 25% of your library, you have enough games to play.
Best thing is that every so often you see that a game you already owned ported to Linux.
bjt23 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardware passthrough for VMs is getting better all the time too, even if that percentage sits at 25% at least I'll be able to contain my windows distro safe within a VM where it can't hurt me.
Dishevel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is true.
Also I think once I get my Skylake 14 core/28 thread Xenon in my setup and double my RAM to 32 GB I am pretty sure I will not be hurting much at all.
Can not wait for it to be released.
aaronfranke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Xeon
waterlubber42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:21 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is too stupid to recognize ext4, so I happily dual boot with updates completely disabled.
Exploit? Easy fix, reinstall from image.
Cryptolocker can't even hurt me.
BlueShellOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but this is not a valid piece of advice - Hardware Passthrough is by far not convenient or easy; and is only available on Skylake - something very few of us have, or are willing to upgrade to.
bjt23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On skylake only now, but today's luxury features are tomorrow's standard.
BlueShellOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but Skylake brings barely any performance increase for a decent cost - it's not something your average user should be doing.
Maybe in 2/3 years, but right now? No.
bjt23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, either gotta upgrade to skylake, get a pfsense router to block keylogging, or just not use windows executables.
But yeah I was saying in 5 years we'll all have good virtualization so the problem will be gone by then.
Valkrins ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:35:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
25% is ridiculous. Imagine 3/4 of all your games including nearly every AAA title being unavailable, and the few games you have run like complete ass, IF they run at all.
Quinnell ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:19:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get the feeling the guys who are excited about 25% play a lot of platformers, early access titles, and indie titles..
Headbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a linux person I can try and explain the excitement. We already use linux for almost everything other then gaming. For myself gaming is literally the only reason I still have windows 7 around. I know it's unrealistic to expect all existing games to be ported. The hope is just that a reasonable amount of new titles get native linux support.
For people who use linux as their primary OS keeping a copy of windows around is a huge amount of overhead just for gaming. There is also constant fear that a windows "update" might reclaim your linux partition. Microsoft is clearly heading in the direction of making all the decisions for their customers. The original post is a perfect example of decisions being made without the users informed consent.
Why should we be locked down to a single OS. Shouldn't mac users also have access to AAA titles? Larger communities (customer base) are good for everyone except microsoft.
NoobInGame ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:48:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like heaven. No Ubisoft. No EA.
aaronfranke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the point is to think about just how even more ridiculous the fact that so many developers are supporting it even though it has 1% market share. Eventually, such as when the game count is >50%, more people will switch because enough games have been ported.
blabliblub3434 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how about windows for gaming and linux for everything else but yeah i know how shit it is to not be able to just click on a game to play it and instead booting in another system.
FeierInMeinHose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if I only use my computer for gaming and surfing the web? There's really no point in me using Linux.
blabliblub3434 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:07:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on your privacyconcerns
MOX-News ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:04:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of them run fine. I had Borderlands 2 installed on my Ubuntu box and everything just worked on it.
Valkrins ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At 2/3 the framerate, sure.
MOX-News ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GTX 770 at 1 GHz, i5 at 3.4 GHz, 8 GB RAM. It ran fine, most of the time I was above 55 fps.
Edit: Also, my computer doesn't fuck me over with automatic updates, spy on me, or download anything without my permission.
BlueShellOP ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Linux doesn't support VSYNC so tearing is extremely noticeable. Also certain games will just stop working for no reason. Borderlands 2 for me.
disintegore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what the flying fuck are you talking about
HerrXRDS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:02:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO not having 75% of the titles available seems like a bigger inconvenience than the automatic updates Windows gets.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:50:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real reason GabeN and valve are pushing steam os (Linux based) is so the platform and pc gaming in general can finally break free from the iron grip of windows. Microsoft knows it may lose control at any time, it's why they are trying so hard to push the store, UWP and dx12.
PixelSmack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:22:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem, for me at least, is I use my gaming computer for a number of things. Yes it's speced for gaming but I also run music production software and a few other bits and pieces on it. I can't really escape Windows on that machine.
For what it's worth, though, I'm actually quite happy with Windows 10. Seems to run everything I'm playing just fine from either the Epic Launcher or Steam.
NoobInGame ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:51:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that is totally the only reason to ditch Windows... People keep bringing Linux up to prove a point.
People complain how they could never use internet without adblocking software, yet accept ads on their lock screen is another recent one.
Th3ShitRebellion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rip AMD
Lack-of-Luck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only reason I'm not on Linux right now is the drivers aren't super stable for my hardware
Dishevel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Laptop?
links_own ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably AMD GPU. If that's the case, you're in luck! AMD graphics drivers are getting better all the time!
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slowly... still not a good buy if you're getting a new computer for Linux, and still not very close to Windows performance on newer AMD GPUs.
Lack-of-Luck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I've been away from my computer. Righto, AMD. But not laptop. Basic specs are FX-9590 CPU, MSI R9-390 8Gb GPU, 16 Gb RAM. Yeah, they are definately getting better (about a month ago I couldn't even install linux, now I can get it running and pretty stable, but I keep getting driver crashes)
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:54 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ubuntu 16.04 is deprecating the older AMD drivers, so hopefully that means that you can't accidentally screw up by installing the really buggy ones. AMD still has yet to make any Vulkan drivers for Linux, even though they were one of the biggest influences that created Vulkan, but maybe that will change in a few months.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them being indie games I dont want to play.
Dishevel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I listed a bunch that are not indie games.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that big of list and i didnt say all are indie games. 25% is not that large especially considering thr amount that are small indie games.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. More indie games isn't a bad thing, but what people do care about is the games they want to play. There are at least a hundred AAA games on Linux, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I agree I have a bunch of indie games
Bonsai99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are scary.
http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/896/overrides/adelie-penguin-antarctica_89655_990x742.jpg
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying, console users are missing out on 90% of PC games, and they don't seem to mind.
Also, nearly every emulator is available for Linux, so depending on how you count the number of games on PC, you could add ~16000 to both Windows and Linux.
Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not having access to 75% of steam really isn't worth it at all.
pfcallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But still, most games I'm going to get don't support Linux and/or Linux lacks the support for it (Dark Souls 3 and Scholar Of The First Sin (DX11 only) for example).
danyisill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nvidia driver is shitty
amd driver is shittier
intel driver is ok but intel isnt for gaming
Dishevel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Nvidia binary blob driver is pretty decent.
danyisill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
still worse than on windows
Dishevel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:25 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Of course, on that note, the itching from standing in a field of "itchy stuff" is more prevalent than the itching from throwing yourself into a volcano.
Jespy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have 2 SSDs. One is a 500GB SSD for Windows, Programs, and a few games. The other is partitioned into 2, one boots Linux and the other Osx.
I don't think I would use Linux for gaming though. People keep saying "Oh, but it has 25% of steam games on there" but if you enjoy playing new games, good luck running them in Linux.
Dishevel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Counter Strike Global Offensive
Dota 2
TF 2
Ark
XCOM 2
Rust
Cities Skylines
Firewatch LFD 2
Portal 2
Dying Light
X-Plane 10
Shadow of Mordor
KSP
Grid
Bioshock Infinite
These are all great games (Ark, maybe not) mostly fairly new.
There is a shit ton of gaming to do on Linux these days.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention WINE where, with a bit of hassle and a decent performance loss, you can still play games like the Mass Effect series or Skyrim.
Dishevel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can not tell people this.
There was this guy who tried Linux once 14 years ago and it was Ass.
So it always will be. It takes me 30 minutes to install Mint on a clean box and have it fully updated with Steam installed and its own mumble server running in a VM. (Just in case I want one) Updates are done every day just about. They are done quickly, in the background and almost never require me to close an app or reboot the machine. It costs nothing, I deal with zero licenses, it "just works" almost all the time.
Buggy? Lets talk buggy. We have Windows 10 that can not seem to keep a mouse pointer visible from the login screen half the fucking time. I swear to God I am going to find a random Microsoft employee and punch them the next time Windows decides in needs to tell me about wonderful new updates while playing a fucking game. It still has issues with hibernation and to top it all off it has a metric shit fucking ton data harvesting going on. It is seriously the Freemium iOS app of the OS world.
fwipyok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
last time i tried linux+steam, it was about a couple months ago
amd x3 710 with an 6850, pretty old hardware, right?
steam did not want to install. cryptic error messages ensued. off to the forums we goooo...
performance was mediocre and steam would randomly crash, not open, open twice, prevent the user from logging off...
within one hour i was back on 7
there's a reason people still prefer gaming on windows even though they know it's a shitty operating system
and they will do so for at least a couple years, if not more
Vox_R ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, I built my PC so I wouldn't have to deal with performance loss. This seems like a step backwards, for as much as Linux interests me.
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
losing control over your pc is a performance loss.
Vox_R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To a degree, but I'm not feeling like I have. Likely different degrees of awareness on one's computer, but as I use mine 99% of the time for playing games, my games working is what's most important to me.
As I'm getting more and more into the development aspect, I'm probably going to require a better environment to build more than I do playing, and then I'll likely make the switch. But right now even with Linux as a main OS, I'd still be spending 95% of my time in Windows to play the games.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft takes your freedom so slowly you don't notice it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a certain hardware level, the difference becomes negligible. Games will be perfectly playable on both, even though on paper Windows will have more FPS. Also, the stronger your CPU, the smaller the difference.
Jespy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But can I play GTA V, The Division, Rainbow Six: Siege, Battlefield 4? Also you're saying at a certain hardware level, the difference becomes negligible but what hardware level are you referring to? As I said, I really enjoy Linux, sometimes more so than Windows. But when it comes to gaming I don't want to have to suffer through extra steps to get lower performance when I can simply just boot windows and have it working. Also, not everyone can have a strong CPU. Sometimes the most common build is a 970 and an i5 but I doubt that is strong enough for the difference to be negligible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
970 and a recent i5 will be perfectly sufficient to max most DX9 games (including things like modded Skyrim). DX10/11 support is being implemented, but you shouldn't switch to Linux with the intention of solely gaming in WINE. It's an option if you really don't want to use Windows anymore, but the most sane approach at the moment is dual-booting.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WINE is really buggy, don't use it as an argument for Linux. It seems like everyone who tries Linux expecting WINE to solve all their problems are the ones who are severely disappointed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not all that buggy if you know how to set it up. I just played through the entirety of the Mass Effect series without a single issue or crash.
Edit: honestly the only two issues I've encountered are with Origin crashing when installing and launching the games, but that can be fixed by setting mf.exe to disabled and turning off Origin in-game. Most games will run without and further tweaks required, once you've installed Steam.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
does skse work properly with WINE? i think that i can compensate for performance issues once i get my 290(buying it second hand because poor student), but i kinda like my mods.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:45 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, works perfectly. Things like SkyUI and convenient horses as well. If you want to play games other than WINE on Linux, you should get an NVIDIA though, the AMD drivers still aren't up to speed. However with AMD you could use the open source drivers and Gallium Nine which basically allows you to execute native DX9 code on Linux. Read: virtually no performance loss.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok, ill wait for a bit then, because im having trouble finding cards like the 780 second hand for a price that i like, while the 290 is pretty affordable at 250 big ones+buying a new psu.
edit: i cant internet apperently, they are exactly as common atm. pretty decent price on the 780 as well(same as 290). last time i looked was a month or so ago.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:17 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
780 would be an excellent card, should be able to max any current Linux game with that.
Except Shadow of Mordor maybe, but I'm not sure about that one. I have a 660 as well right now and medium settings are possible in pretty much any game. Most I can max though, even WINE games, especially if they are a bit older like Mass Effect or STALKER.
edit:
Here's the beauty of Linux: If you want to switch from the 660 to a 780, you don't even have to install other drivers. Just pop in the new card and you should be good to go.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:05 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that seems pretty awesome. im not completely sure if im going for the 780 or the 290 just yet, but both seem like great cards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:45 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For sure, but if you want to do Linux gaming, AMD is a terrible choice since you get only a fraction of the performance you'd get on Windows simply due to their bad drivers. I mean there's 5 year old mid-range NVIDIA cards outperforming AMD cards in some games, it's that bad. Should hopefully become better soon, but I won't hold my breath.
cptCortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally the only thing keeping me from going Arch is Rocket League.
ELEMENTSDESTROYYOU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wallet is ready!
Av33na ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a huge fan of linux, but it came down to will I be happy playing games that are second choice to me or play games I really enjoy? Since I spent so much money on that rig I ultimately decided to go back to Windows so that I could play games without spending hours going through workarounds. Also, I'm frustrated that more games are using DX11 but linux doesn't support that just yet. I think it's going to be happening, just not sure when. I do love linux and if you're not a huge gamer I would highly highly recommend it.
Dishevel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:35:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vulkan will change all that.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Linux will never properly support DX11 because that's Microsoft's thing. What you should be rooting for is games adopting OpenGL and Vulkan.
If you are referring to WINE, I find that many DX9 games in WINE are still really buggy. WINE is a work-around for the few games/software that you need that aren't ported, but it is not something that can replace native porting. Also, spending hours going through work-arounds is only something that I've had to do when using WINE, the all native ones on Steam work fine.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the time 7 is dead, Linux will hopefully have 50% of games. At least that's my guess.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At this rate M$ will be second dog to Linux by the time win 7 is at the end of it's life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 and 8 do the same things when it comes to """""spyware"""""
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes now, thanks to a new M$ update.
*new features, like spyware
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They've always done the things people are bitching about 10 doing, it's hilarious.
rootbeerfetish ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:46:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When and if Vulkan takes over I'm going to switch to Linux man.
waterlubber42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Start now! Set up Dual Boot with Linux Mint, it's not very difficult, and get used to it! You'll like it, it's very snappy.
therightclique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except it isn't. This kind of shit is super rare. Windows 10 runs like a dream for most people.
Cultiststeve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:37:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may run well (and I do really like windows 10) but you cant claim to have full control over it.
Camrod91 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:36:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need OS equality.
I manage more than 500 Windows 7 computers and love them. My new gaming PC has Windows 10 and I love it...I don't think upgrading is a bad idea...but I don't think you should be forced to do it.
boosted4banger ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:00:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i dont hate windows 10 one bit, but thats after i changed a shit pile of settings and got ride of a bunch of unecessary stuff too.. it just looks like a crisper 7 to me at this point.. but the way it first installs, and some of the standard options are completely retarded.
theonlywms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate? I'm thinking about upgrading on my PC while it's still free, can't really bring myself to do it because 7 works fine. I have 10 on my work laptop but eh, it's mostly running older VMs all the time so I don't even use it much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What should I turn off?
boosted4banger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:25 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
http://windows.wonderhowto.com/how-to/everything-you-need-disable-windows-10-0163552/
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/features/windows-10-7-default-settings-you-should-change-immediately-after-install-744550
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/7-default-windows-10-settings-check-immediately/
this covers most of it if im remembering correctly . . .
also, create a "new folder" on your desktop and name it : GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} copy&paste that for the file name - inlcuding the brackets {}
it will give you direct access to a plethora of control over the OS
also, i cant stand that lock screen you have to press a button to get it to go away, only to have to enter your password afterwards.. to get rid of the lock screen (you still keep the password entry, just no cumbersome/stupid lock screen) see this link.. i prefer the registry edit way, but its up to you how you do it.. the zip file just runs script for you to do the registry edit. its not hard to do though, even if your not savy with computers - just make sure you follow the steps to a T, and make sure you type exactly whats needed (spaces, characters, and all)
http://www.howtogeek.com/134620/how-to-disable-the-lock-screen-on-windows-8-without-using-group-policy/
all that should cover what i did, if i remember correctly.. i apologize for the random links - i wish i had a place with all in one spot for you.. also, youll see the initial 3 links have much of the same info. just read them and decide how you want to proceed - all of them cover whats the most "at risk" portions of the new OS though.
good luck !
boosted4banger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i also recommend utilizing "windows defender" keeping it up to date with virus definitions and all, and downloading Malwarebytes and running it about once a week or so. http://download.cnet.com/Malwarebytes-Anti-Malware-Free/3000-8022_4-10804572.html
the #1 thing you can do to keep you out of knee deep shit rivers is, just dont be a dickhead about what you click / where you visit when browsing the net of inter.. much of the bullshit can be easily avoided by keeping your fuckery to a minimum.. i torrent like crazy (more than 2tb of down\uploads) and i beat my jimmy like its sneaking around with the plantation owners daughter - using "tube" sites.. you dont have to walk on egg shells.. just be smart about clicking shit.. for example ads.. if you see an ad on the side of the window and you are interested.. go to google and search for what you saw instead of clicking the link.. most of those links re-direct you to shit totally unwanted.
Noobasdfjkl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a funny thing to be preaching in this sub.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People here hate Macs mostly due to their hardware and price. However, Hackintoshes are awesome.
Noobasdfjkl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:27 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did hackintosh land for a while, but found it was takin too much of my time, and I didn't like waiting for new updates to be cracked.
Un4tural ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly prefer 10 on laptop, not sure why but my laptop has a loud as hell fan, with Windows 10 it's a lot more tame, just launch win10 spying killer to disable all that garbage, it's quite nice.
I hate it being shoved down everyone throat and if that doesn't work up the other hole too.
wataha ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:34:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude no one upgrades their OS to control the fan speed!
Un4tural ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing I cannot control it (w230ss) if I do flash a custom bios to, I lose warranty. It just uses less resources idle or doing light movie watching etc. Then again this is the biggest plus I can think of for upgrading. It really looks a little different, modernised windows 98,the start menu looked cool, but I haven't used it once. Windows store has phone games, which would be great if I didn't have a phone. I really don't care for it collecting every little bit of what I do either. Dx12 isn't useful either, not yet at least.
Anyways, it's better than 8 that's for sure
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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greenman42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the fucking time I'll put my computer in sleep mode and wake up in the middle of the night because windows turned it self back on and updated.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is more of a Poltergeist problem!
KenPC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Linux: hey Dave, we have an update for you.
Dave: No, I do not want it.
Linux: Okay, I respect your decision. I'll drop it. Let me know anytime in the future if you want it.
Dave: Thank you Linux, for respecting my decisions.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Win: Want to upgrade your OS ver?
Dave: No.
Win: Dave don't fight it, shh, don't fight it!
AmansRevenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NoobInGame ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:56:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Microsoft keeps changing it so that eventually it gets through.
AmansRevenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you have automatic updates enabled.
i dont, and my Windows 8.1 "server" for Minecraft still never even asked for it.
NoobInGame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but it is pain in the ass to check which one is the bad update when getting your security/performance/bug fixes.
aaronfranke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about misconfiguring... even when hiding it, it still somehow comes back. You have to actually install 3rd party tools to get rid of the update. And even then it somehow finds it way back.
AmansRevenger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I have a Windows 8.1 Server for Minecraft with Updates disabled and it NEVER popped up.
Properly configured >> circlejerk.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why Windows for a Minecraft server? Minecraft runs on Linux and then you also get the many advantages of Linux as a server.
AmansRevenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:47 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because at first it was just a side project to try hosting, managing and modding a single server and i had this spare pc around.
Then it became 3 mc servers, a remote torrent client, a wake on lan machine...
I have an old netbook on xubuntu now with sonarr and plex.requests, so i know what I am missing on Linux
Arizth ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the anti-"M$", pro-"Linux is literally god and gaben at the same time" PCMR circlejerk.
Please leave your brain at the door, and mind the knee-deep pool of semen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is impossible to control Windows, if you want control of your computer, you need to use Linux or another open source OS.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been able to control windows, it is/was a fight but doable.
I am coming over to Linux more and more.... do you have Cake M$ has Cake...
aaronfranke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft right now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a C# programmer, so I am pretty close with Windows. And I still have no control over it, that is an illusion.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I develop on C# as well, and do a ton of OS/App security.
You can nuke all the services and that is a good place to get windows under control.
aaronfranke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you looked into Mono? If your application uses XNA or .NET you'll have a harder time porting it, but standard C# should work fine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? I don't see anything wrong with my OS
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am from the internet, I am here to help.
Search for how to stop windows from sending info about you back to Microsoft.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows? Why would my windows send info to microsoft? Openbox is managing them using Xorg to handle graphical displays and Compton as a compositer and they have nothing to do with microsoft.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft on windows just like the xBox is now collecting info on you, they keep saying it is only part of cortana that spy's on you.
But windows has always done this to a level in the crash reports but now it is active 24/7.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a special anti-spy program it's called the Linux Kernel it's fucking great.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will install this today, but I just hope it does not mess up any of my windows settings!
gentlemandinosaur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:52:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing it's an actual improvement over whatever they were previously using.
falacu ยท 719 points ยท Posted at 14:45:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much I like Windows 10, it shouldn't be forced on you if you don't want it.
LeMattchu ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 17:53:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well since its "more secure" maybe its becoming a standard and Microsoft is forced to force you.
Wave3D ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 18:04:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is forced to force you, because you would not willingly upgrade.
TheSpookiestSkeleton ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 19:37:27 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's my right as a consumer to keep telling them no.
Wave3D ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 19:45:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should not have to say no more then once, or twice, or ten times, and then to be forced.
It says more about M$ as a company then win 10 as a product.
legayredditmodditors ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:45:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With ballmer AND bill gone, they're entering the "we don't give a shit" spiral just as much as Apple has of late (in their OS divisions)
lukasni ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:06:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, post-Ballmer Microsoft has been a much better company, in my experience. Many of the recent changes on the development end (open-sourcing large parts of .net and the CLR, changes made to VS licencing for example) wouldn't have been possible while Ballmer was still around.
EDIT: Kinda skipped over the OS divisions part when reading your comment, sorry. You got a point there, though tbh, enterprise users can easily prevent the clients from updating and in my experience sometimes giving normal users a nudge to please update their 10 year old software is a good thing. But the forced updates are clearly taking it too far, agreed.
legayredditmodditors ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:15:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Better company, yes.
But I'd argue their treatment of windows is terrible, at best. I mean, the new "start menu" we have doesnt even DESERVE to be called a start menu, tbh.
It's as much a start menu as are hoverboards.
And with their questionable treatment of the windows phone as a brand, the windows store; forced upgrades, I just feel they're really lost what made them unique.
I was never a microsoft fanboy, but I loved what they were doing around the 360 years. These days, it feels like a faceless corporation MORE than anything.
Yeah, it's 50/50. Sure, some people are idiots with updates, but that keeps exploits low (for tech sufficient people). Doing it for them will only make more ADVANCED exploits more prevalent.
If all pcs were immediately updated all the time- hackers would just rely more on 0 days. Things wouldn't change as much as we'd want them to.
baolin21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:49:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the start screen, that was damn good. I use the fullscreen start menu.
ReyasWI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:14 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally
dozensones of us!Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting context to put the change of M$ and windows.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nowadays it should be called Micro$tocks (as in those are all that matter)
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just because they invade your house to have their way with your OS, Micro$talks
LeMattchu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:37 on March 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are free upgrades making them money???
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:52 on March 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are the product. It is so bad (some/tons) of people don't want it for pay or free.
LeMattchu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:43 on March 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that doesn't generate any money...
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:49 on March 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mush the same as google, but more of an app store apple twist.
You think M$ does it to help you and not make money?
LeMattchu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:19 on March 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the money being made?
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:46:51 on March 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Off your broken soul, and ads/spyware data/locked in user base.
Such as every user of win-RT is a money box because they can only by M$ App STORE approved programs.
Kinda like google, except in 8 it was ads for eBay on you desktop, now it is a ad placement system in IE and all the default games, then the lock screen....
Like google but in your desktop, your a battery nothing more to them.
I_ate_a_milkshake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do you mean philosophically? or legally? cuz legally it definitely fucking isn't.
TheSpookiestSkeleton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If I pay for software I own it. And replacing a product I paid for with another one I did not want, ask for nor purchase against my will -should- be a legally fussy area except for the whole "Richest company on earth with the biggest legal team" thing being the only thing standing between MS and legal action.
Since this is fucking over normal consumers and businesses alike (Another such comment said their 40K Plasma cutter now became a paperweight until they fix it because they relied on a previous version and it's file structures) as there's no telling how much unnecessary money and time wasting nonsense this is causing people.
I_ate_a_milkshake ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well its all kosher according to your ToS that you agreed to in buying the product. i agree it's scummy but they are definitely allowed to do it.
TheSpookiestSkeleton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ToS/Eulas are not necessarily iron clad nor legally binding 100 percent of the time, and can be challenged at a moment's notice.
In addition, in a global perspective- They are utterly unenforceable outside of their "native" release regions for the most part or even ignored/reprimanded for going against actual laws. (IE: EU consumer laws VS Valve for example on the ownership and refunding of digital goods.)
666666t ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We do what we must, because we can"
Microture Labs, 2016
waterlubber42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:55 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the good of all...our wallets
LashBack16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are doing this with skype. The newer versions will now not let you call people with old versions but the old version can call the new.
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I could see that but just can't believe it without testing, that is messed up...
speelmydrink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:19:26 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feeling some Cybermen vibes here...
LeMattchu ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:05:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? It's much better, faster, and sleeker than 8/8.1
Fuzzymuscles ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 18:38:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I use Windows 7 at work. The computer is used as a server for a direct to plate digital imager that is written for Windows 7. Upgrading without my consent would be costly, namely in the $15-$20,000 range.
Edit: hue hue. For all those that understood but are poking fun at my price range, obviously I meant $15,000 - $20,000. These imaging programs are expensive, but considering that they run machines that cost between $100,000 and $500,000 depending on size and features, it's usually incorporated into the cost of business.
Wave3D ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:39:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep in business a computer going down can be a small issues, or be the end of a giant contract.
iYokay ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:29:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, $15 and $20,000 is a very big range. /s
serventofgaben ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that /s? /u/fuzzymuscles actually is being very unspecific
iYokay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:00:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He meant $15,000 to $20,000 but it looked like he was saying $15 to $20,000.
Edit: Don't downvote /u/servantofagaben, it's not the poor lad's fault that OP used really bad phrasing.
serventofgaben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:02:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh right that make sense
Fuzzymuscles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to upvote /u/serventofgaben out of negative but he was still at -3. I'm glad he's back up to 1.
That said, it's extremely common to cut off the thousands place for the first number in range if it's the same. Just try saying it out loud. If you actually mean 15 dollars instead of 15 thousand dollars in this case, it sounds really wrong to say it the way I said it.
iYokay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I'm just giving you shit, mate. :)
Also, because you have the dollar sign there, if you said it out loud you would say "fifteen dollars to 20,000 dollars."
If you just said 15-$20,000, then saying it out loud you would say "fifteen to 20,000 dollars" as it should be.
At this point nobody cares and I'm being unreasonably pedantic.
Fuzzymuscles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Details are what make the world go 'round. It's why time travel is so risky.
Fuzzymuscles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it with a smile, it's cool.
Pazer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dont worry I put him back in the negative
Jaudark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:44:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not forced if the computer is part of a domain
?E: it wasn't a question
DrestonF1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two Philips Hue bulbs are pricey, too.
Dioroxic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:16:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably closer to 15 bucks. /s
That's 15 McChickens. We can't risk those bastards.
TooHighGuy_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:42:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone always forgets the tax.....
spartankelli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#OregonMasterRace
d0d0b0red ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
McDonald's has a 20 piece mcnugget pack you can order.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:24 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free mandatory upgrade?
fakeyc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should be using Enterprise version if it is for work. That will not upgrade automatically.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:41 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now...
TheRealLazloFalconi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really shouldn't be using a home version of Windows for this anyway. If it happens it's your (IT guy's) fault.
Fuzzymuscles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's absolutely true that it shouldn't use home. In fact, it's in the manual and installation instructions that you shouldn't use home. Would you believe that these guys supplied the system WITH home installed, an i3 processor and only 4gb of ram? I desperately want to get in there and do some upgrades but boss is of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality on the subject. Hell, I have SPARE PARTS IN INVENTORY to update it, and the OS isn't a huge expense relatively.
sleeplessone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Which is why you are running WSUS at work to tell what updates go out and when.
sanshinron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:00:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure it won't work on Windows 10? Because I'm 99% sure it would either work normally, or in the Win7 compatibility mode. My brother runs some exotic software for a medical device that's compatible with WinXP only and it works on Win10 with compatibility mode just fine. Oh and investing in an expensive software from a company that doesn't update it in a reasonable cycle is a bad idea. Seriously, Windows 7 is 4 major versions behind!
Ravek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only because MS decided to restart numbering from 10, which was a marketing decision for crying out loud. If not for that it would have been 7.0 (1 major version ahead) or just 6.4, a whopping 3 minor versions up.
CheezyPantz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The upgrade really shouldn't affect your ability to use the computer as a server. You can set your computer to NOT automatically take the upgrade though. They're only forcing it on computers with the setting on that allows it to happen.
Deliphin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, on windows especially, new additions change a LOT of stuff that's core to certain software working. Most stuff meant for consumers is meant for a wide range of OSs, or is simple enough that it doesn't matter, but stuff meant for servers is expecting a specific edition of windows, so a newer version will break a lot of stuff. This is why some servers still run Win 3.1, 98 and XP.
Fuzzymuscles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Some of these software RIPs are really restrictive even when it's NOT necessary, too. Our last one (ApogeeX) was so obsessive about nothing changing that when the ethernet port on the motherboard went down and I put in a network card to go around it, the software refused to load until I disabled the new card.
LeMattchu ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I left Windows 7 out of my point, I'm aware of its importance within businesses. Win7 isn't a targeted version for an upgrade thankfully.
KingVape ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:08:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is. I use 7 and I'm constantly reminded by the OS to upgrade. I might do it only because I have 32gb RAM installed and can currently only use 16, but I like 7 and the way that it is.
Stormkitty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Installing Windows 10 wouldn't fix that, it's a hardware issue.
KingVape ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Windows 7 Home Edition supports up to 16gb, and I have 32 installed.
Edit: Home Premium.
rn10950 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely it's a licensing issue. Windows 7 HP 64bit is artificially limited to 16GB, while Professional is much higher. AFAIK the limitation is still present in 10 Home, and it only goes away with 10 Pro, which you can't get unless you buy it seperately or upgrade a 7/8.1 Professional system. If /u/KingVape wants to, he can buy a 7 Professional upgrade key and unlock the RAM limitation without a new install.
KingVape ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 Home 64 bit supports 128gb, so I'd be able to take advantage of it.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:10:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well seeing my computer is win7 Professional I beg to differ lol
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet, and it is starting to be, first with a recommendation, just like happen on 8.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:23:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because it sends your usage information over unsecured lines to Microsoft servers (or random servers) over 2000 times a day... no thanks.
GODDAMNFOOL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:16:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I upgraded to Win10 for a single day. I got hit with 2 different "this program won't work with Windows 10" messages in that day. They can fuck right off until I can be guaranteed that everything I want to use will work.
cosine83 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talk to the people who make those programs, don't blame Microsoft for that.
GODDAMNFOOL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:13:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hold beef with the fact that it was a Microsoft product that gave me that error in the first place.
Wave3D ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:07:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Your confusing better and less worse.
7 is much better then 8, while 10 is less worse.
CHG__ ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:25:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went from Windows 7 to Windows 10, I prefer Windows 10. It's like 7 with extra usability.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:39:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More hassles. Having to lock it down, prevent it from phoning home, attempt to disable automatic updates so it doesnt restart itself without permission, uninstalling the bloatware like Candy Crush.
7 doesnt make me do any of that.
amoliski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the first things I do when In install Win7 is go into Gpedit or Regedit and disable the reboot countdown, otherwise it absolutely does autorestart itself without permission, usually in the middle of the night after you started a big processing job.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:58 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FeierInMeinHose ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it more has to do with a bunch of stupid kids going on reddit and seeing people with technical knowhow bitching about being restricted and then wanting to get angry at something so they stop updating and become part of a botnet because of a security threat that was patched months ago but they're a bunch of stupid kids that wanted to be cool like those guys on reddit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jarodcain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have content updates blocked on Win 7 and since just before the whole "upgrade to win 10" update, I've been ignoring them.
I keep my system clean and generally up to date on everything else and have had no problems.
MajorAsshole- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 user, never had to do any of that.
scenicnano ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:45:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you're being downvoted. I literally had to do none of those things when upgrading to win 10
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:25 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pcmr is infested with console gamers gone pc. Anything that requires using a computer on any technical level is beyond most of these kids. Windows 7 is just vista + sps renamed win7 for marketing.
Lutheritrux ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:37:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
of course you don't HAVE to do things like get rid of bloatware and turn off automatic updating.
Vynlovanth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:41:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What bloatware though? Mine has nothing. Cortana wasn't enabled by default, I don't have Candy Crush or any of the Windows Store apps other than standard fare for Windows like Calculator and Minesweeper and a few that were on Windows 8 like Mail and Calendar. Not exactly bloatware like what comes on a new laptop or desktop from a retailer.
Automatic updating was on of course, just like any other Windows install I've done...
Jahrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually very easy to do during setup.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until it re-enables itself in an automatic update. Given all the other "errors" they've made, like upgrading people without their consent, you really think its beneath them?
Jahrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine has yet to re-enable anything. It still asks before every update. Just my personal experience using 10.
Wave3D ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:31:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice, I did not like it, I should have the right to have any OS I like.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:20:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do, but then you're going to complain about security holes and other crap and blame it on MS while refusing to pay them for patches. Software shouldn't be maintained indefinitely and it doesn't last indefinitely.
Prof_Acorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Security holes? I stopped windows update on 7 way early into the release and never had any security problems for years.
Now my laptop runs like a sloth and BSOD every time I unplug it.
Mech9k ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:29:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope because I'm not an idiot. Don't be one and you avoid nearly all security problems as a home user.
Wave3D ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M$ was paid for the patches with the $100 per licence payment.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, they weren't paid to support forever. That's ridiculous. You only paid $100 per license because the cost for support was divided among all the users and because support was estimated to last a fixed period of time. When you paid $100 for your license, you knew how long that software was going to be supported.
edit Actually, you probably didn't know nor care at that time for how long it was to be supported and you don't even know now, so you're blaming your ignorance on M$.
Dukekiller ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know when the security updates for windows 7 stop, and will be going to linux then. Hopefully in 2019 enough games are supported on steamos.
Dazz316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vista onwards is still supported. Vista alone still has a few years left. 7 will still be receiving patches for a few years.
Hell, some government agencies still have XP support.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are incorrect sir, XP just went EOL but Win 7 still has a while left.
And the sales of win 7 are still going strong, with the total hate against 8 and 10(last time I checked anyway)
Phayzon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't call nearly 2 years ago 'just going EOL'. Barring any extensions, 7 has less than 4 years left. I love 7, but I do hope 2020 is the end so we don't have another old OS lingering around like XP.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, windows 10 is not going to be the replacement.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said 7 went EOL.
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your comment will be valid in about 10 years.
But for today, yes I have an expectation of win 7 support and rightly so.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, today you should still expect MS to support it. It's supported until at least 2020 if i'm not mistaking, but by then very few apps will work on it and you'll most likely have to upgrade.
Terruco ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahahahahah you are funny
cacarca ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you have no right to use anything you want. You use whatever Microsoft tells you to use.
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:42:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It applies the patch or it gets the hose again!
LeMattchu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You agreed to the new terms so.....
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get to have your first born, I it is the TOS.
MrPocky14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm running 8.1 pro on almost everything I have for the common desktop feature. But I can't run 10 on my custom desktop (water cooler management app won't run) and it makes using my laptop quickly almost impossible (it gets booted maybe 3-4 times a month). I'll take 8.1, thanks.
PS. I tried to shut off auto updates on the laptop unsuccessfully.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it has plenty of extra usability in the world where superman is actually the villain.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:20:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Wave3D ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:26:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is solid/stable compatible, does not do random forced updates by default(until recently)
Does not have the concept of OS level ADs nor spyware(until recently)
And yes I like the look of it better.
Why should I be forced to change My OS on My system against my will?
DavoAmazo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheers for this, still kinda new to this. Am currently using win8 on my PC and would rather not upgrade ATM.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so true, this is why I love win 7. Iv never had 8 nor would ever want it. And dont want 10 until I absolutely need to, I was a Xp user for a long time lol.
Kyoraki ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that Windows 10 has OS level ads. Windows 8 however, does.
legayredditmodditors ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
um. look at your start menu sometime.
Kyoraki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know you can change the stuff that appears on there, right? They're just fancy shortcuts.
legayredditmodditors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
7 is less worse than 8, while ten is much worse
*fix't
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree to disagree, 7 is amazing : )
M$ fan boy here : )
Silent3sniper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:08:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*you're *than
jesus christ
fallenlogan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was really hesitant to upgrade to 10 when it first came out because I saw people losing files but recently upgraded and it's so much more smoother than 8 and my laptop no longer slows down because I accidentally pressed the start button.
DalekSpartan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly haven't worked at a repair shop or with old tech illiterate people.
Nolzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm good looking, so its okay if I for myself on you ;)
PokemasterTT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with 8.1? I used it for a year or 2 and I didn't have any real trouble with it.
arof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on 8.1 with a classic start menu program since installing my SSD (wanted TRIM and all that) and there's really nothing horrific about it at all now. Thing was there were a lot of minor/medium inconveniences when I got it first installed to get it the way I like, and if you didn't have something like Classic Shell the new Metro start screen really is awful.
I have win 10 on my laptop and don't really like it as much, I'd honestly go back to using Win 7 style start menu with the somehow smarter most used program highlights/menu options over live tiles any day. I'm going to have to take the Win 10 leap for DX12 eventually, but I definitely won't do it without making an image of my SSD first.
Kusibu ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Preface: I'm on 7. Have tried 10.
A) You can't uninstall Xbox.Apparently you can with Powershell commands?B) The bug that occasionally surfaces (mainly [but not ONLY] on upgrades from what I've heard, I've seen it in person) where you can't open the start menu via any means, permanently, once the bug takes effect.
C) Compatibility. Speccy is one of my favorite programs, and I know that it doesn't run in 10. Other programs may or may not break in 10 as well, but I'm uncertain of them.
I'm not against people installing 10. *I personally am not going to upgrade because it could cause me some grief and 7 is working entirely fine for me.
Margen67 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A) You can with Powershell commands.
B) Then don't upgrade, and do a clean install.
C) See B)
Kusibu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to have to clean install my entire OS for a small and nebulous improvement. Does that really merit that much disapproval?
(Also... Clean installing doesn't make W10 incompatible programs run in W10. Just saying.)
Zerran ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:11:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
idiot. Out of the millions of things that can run on a PC, there are always thousands of them that don't work on the newer OS. Additionally, Win10 is even worse in some areas than previous Windows because you can't disable windows update (that thing that does this garbage forced update and adds advertisment as recommended update...), it's worse from a privacy perspective, the UI is subjectively worse than previous ones, ...
LeMattchu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is holding you back from Linux, if you have so many [privacy] issues with Windows just leave.
legayredditmodditors ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
8.1 is NOT FASTER AND SLEEKER than 10. They're about the same speeds, maybe with a SLIGHT improvement for 10. 7 - 8 WAS (noticeably)faster, 8-10, much less. 10 has less defined icons, and more reliance on metro.
The better part, is very subjective.
falacu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:56:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I willingly upgraded to 10 and don't regret it at all. I think it's a fantastic OS.
That said it still shouldn't be forced on people who don't want it.
Wave3D ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:02:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep and I think windows 10 is so bad I would not take it for free.
Bergauk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're forcing it so hard because they don't want 7 to become the new XP. Microsoft still has contracts to support XP for certain companies and governments around the world. Microsoft is fucking tired of supporting XP and the same thing will happen with 7 eventually.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can make sure to not repeat the same cycle, by making such awful choices they drive everyone to Linux.
Problem solved!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, thats not why. Its very obviously to push their mobile aspects.
Metro apps work on mobile which will fill that app gap and make their phones viable. Sadly they are doing it at the expense of their users freedom.
bigboij ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:09:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
been using win10 since pre release, and not once for even a second did i think hmm i need a windows phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet by using Windows 10 you are encouraging companies to develop applications that work on Windows phone.
Bergauk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think this is all to push Metro you're sadly mistaken. They learned that most people hated Metro with 8/8.1 and added the option to install as desktop only for 10. To think they're forcing for Metro is absolutely ridiculous. XP Came out in 2001. It is still supported to this day for various companies, that is a 15 year lifespan for a software that EOL'd in 2009 and ran out of additional support in 2014. 7 came out in 2009 and mainstream support ended in 2015. It is EOL as well and has support to 2020. If you haven't hear about it, Microsoft has also made it so Skylake and onwards Intel processors WILL NOT work with 7 in the future because they are literally trying to make sure they don't have the same thing that happened with XP. They don't want it to happen. Support contracts may be worth a lot of money to them but the longer you run an insecure OS the more likely it is that you're going to end up with something unrepairable in the future. I dropped my XP system in 2014 because it no longer had support. I dropped my 7 system as soon as 10 came out because it's honestly better, bar-none. If you want to move forward you need to upgrade, if you want any modicum of additional security, additional features, support for newer hardware it is in your best interest to upgrade.
On the flip side, lets look at Linux, do people begrudgingly hold off on Linux updates? No, because it's fucking stupid. You want your computer and software to be up to date for shit to run faster, better and more secure. Just update your computer and things get better. It's always been that way and moving forward it will stay the same.
amoliski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who refuse to upgrade (like me, sorry) are probably in the same camp of people who complain that IE6 is still out there and holding back web development.
Bergauk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Web development is held back by shitty UI design being pushed for the mobile space. I like simple designs as much as the next person but for fucks sake don't make the desktop site feel like a mobile site.
UofLFan00 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:48:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear to fucking god I have lost count of how many times a web site has "redesigned" and lost useful features and made things more difficult to get to, all so it could look like a mobile site. Youtube has done it, and more recently scout and rivals for recruiting news has done it. Pisses me off.
Headbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree the linux update process is great. Not sure how that's a supporting argument to upgrade to windows 10. The only example you give of another microsoft upgrade is skype and you admit it's garbage that breaks compatibility. This seems more like an argument to switch to linux then to upgrade to windows 10.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Agree to disagree. Desktop sales are shrinking, their mobile sales are shrinking, competitors continue to grow, and they face a real fear of becoming obsolete outside of enterprise.
Microsoft is in a mad panic to push their phones, and throwing billions at Nokia did nothing to fix it. With mobile comes Vulkan, cross platform applications and libraries, fewer reasons to ever touch a Windows device. Their exclusivity for application development has dried up, metro is a last ditch effort to save it.
For competitions sake I hope it fails along with DX12, Id like the option to play my games off an an Android phone one day instead of being forced to buy a Windows phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Bergauk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:17 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, my tax comes back to me because I earn too little for it to actually be taken back.
IShotMrBurns_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you. My state doesn't have an income tax!
Emerald34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It happens to one of my tablets as well. What is this?
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The forced upgrade by M$ for windows.
Now with ADs and spyware, but you can disable it.
SleeplessThought ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CAN I JUST FORCE MY PC SO IT DOESNT MAKE MICROSOFT TO BE FORCED TO FORCE ME TO UPGRADE TO WIN 10? OR DO I NEED TO BE FORCED TO FORCE MY PC SO IT DOESNT LET MICROSOFT TO BE FORCED TO FORCE ME TO UPGRADE TO WIN 10? I DONT WANNA BE FORCED TO FORCE IT.
Vox_R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... Yes!
But you'd probably have to move to Linux.
playdeadstudios ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:33:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how long it took some people to upgrade from xp I think it's right to force people on to a more secure os.
I do get the problems with some of the tracking in win 10 but that's easily remedied with a few minutes of google.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every computer in my office (all Windows 7) just automatically updated to have an "Upgrade to Windows 10" taskbar icon.
I really don't want to teach the entire office to use a new OS and deal with inevitable compatibility problems.
BOFslime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use group policy, this should be a non issue in an office environment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:22:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It teaches old people how to use windows 10?
BOFslime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a control mechanism and policy deployment and enforcement tool for settings and updates. It prevents users from accidentally or intentionally messing with parts of their system they do not understand. It's also an easy way to push the config or updates to multiple systems so you don't have to run around to each one. Basically if you manage more than 2 systems in any envornment, you should look into using it. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb310732.aspx
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. We've got 7 computers in the office, so I'll check it out. Half of them get taken home for personal use, though. The real issue is that 5/7 people would be totally lost navigating a new OS.
cpp_dev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:17 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So in comparison when someone wants to install Linux what package they will use: 5 years old one or the latest from repository? Also when users get updates notification on Linux how long they postpone them? Do they block updates completely?
falacu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's up to the user. If someone really wants to put an outdated version on their pc that's their choice. Why should I make them do otherwise?
cpp_dev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the choice is the part that MS have problems with for some time, but in general what I meant is that most users will not have problems with installing updates on their Linux systems or using latest version available on reinstall. Another reason for a commercial software developer is that after a pretty cold adoption of Windows 8 MS is interested in a faster adoption of Windows 10, especially since the situation is somewhat different from XP->Vista->7 adoption. Anyway according to steam survey W10 is almost at the same adoption level as W7, while *nixes are still at a steady 1%, which is a good indicator that most users do not really care.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much I Dis-like Windows 10, it shouldn't be forced on you if you don't want it.
cowk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about mondern browsers auto-updating?
falacu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there should be an option to turn auto updates off for people who don't want it. If someone doesn't want to update their browser for whatever reason that's their choice.
Wave3D ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is a bad version with ADs, spyware, and the windows store.
SirToastymuffin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've honestly never seen an ad except in the store... where you kinda expect an ad or two.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Skype... And other "free" base app, I guess the simple games hit most simple users.
SirToastymuffin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:09:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skype's always been that way? And apps too. So really what I hear is you have a problem with those, which I mean, are optional. I'd assume most of that is aimed toward average Joe consumers who want those sorts of things.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skype was good before M$ and the backdoor.
SirToastymuffin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then uninstall it. Problem solved.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:24:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then
Questions-like-shes5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen a single ad on Windows 10
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:58:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is more in base "free" apps with windows. And windows 8
scenicnano ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you're quite eager to spread you opinion in this thread.
You do know windows 10 only gathers usage data to improve their products and create an advertising id much like google
It's nothing to be scared of.. Also the Windows store is something many people have been waiting for for ages.
Fianlly we don't will have all programs in one place with an easy one click uninstall button. All accusations against the windows store have been very harsh and i truly don't understand why.
jamiemac2005 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raaaape
zeug666 ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 14:48:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Windows 10 upgrade will automatically download, which is what it is doing here, but it doesn't upgrade until you tell it to. While a complete dick move by MS, nothing installs without you giving it the go ahead. It also doesn't automatically download if you're set as a 'metered connection.'
e/u: There are also a few other restrictions on if the download would start or not, but those are largely enterprise concerns. The upgrade may start if you have 'automatic updates' enabled; Windows 10 is a 'recommended' update and will proceed as such. Regardless of asinine behavior by MS, you are ultimately responsible for what your system does or doesn't do.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 14:51:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea, I clicked decline but still had to go through the reverting process. And had to go back through my settings and make sure it was all turned back off. Just frustrating
N1ghtwalk3r ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 19:02:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
was it similar to this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:56:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking funny, lol. Nice one.
simon_C ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why we pirate windows, so we can strip this shit out of there entirely.
Chewy12 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:41:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is true anymore. My computer told me that Windows was scheduled to upgrade on a certain date/time and I had to tell it to cancel.
LAK132 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:08:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that came up on mine the other day too.
notabum24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I was shocked that they scheduled the update without my permission.
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:23:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now
Henjinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is not true. I was in school today, when i got home my PC had upgraded itself to win 10 without my permission. Sure, after win 10 was already installed, i had the option to decline the TOS and what not, which i did. It then reverted back to my previous version and uninstalled win 10 though. But only AFTER it already installed without my permission.
When my PC started back up after the system was reverted, a window popped up telling me win 10 was going to automatically update in 1 hour, and all i could do was postpone it for 8 hours. No option to cancel.
Had to google and delete some previous windows updates to stop this.
The fact they try to force this upon people so hard makes me REALLY not want to update to win 10...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was surfing Reddit Tuesday night, at it just restarted and installed. I had to decline the EULA, and it went back. It is installing without the user doing anything.
Zarzalu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:41 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually, if you leave your desktop on standby for an hour after the popup that forces you to choose when you want to upgrade, it will automatically download windows 10 unless you stop it.
Sololegends ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:57 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it won't force you to upgrade but a popup occurs every day until you upgrade. Sometimes multiple times. And you can't get rid of it without nonbasic work a rounds.
zeug666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Uninstalling KB3035583 doesn't seem too difficult.
E: but you are right that some of the methods are rather burdensome.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351
Sololegends ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't difficult for those who know how to use computers. The general population won't know how to do that.
curryest_george ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it did both of those things automatically for me. I've X'd out of the popup window everytime for weeks. A couple days ago my computer gave me a message that it would be restarting to upgrade to Windows 10 in 1 hour. At this point, Windows may as well be a fucking trojan doing whatever it wants on my computer.
Dustin- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Windows 10 downloaded and installed Windows 10 for my brother's computer last night as well. He was just complaining that his computer installed Windows 10 for him without his consent. He also said that it installed the 32-bit version instead of the 64-bit version, meaning he has to do a fresh install of Windows 10 to upgrade to the OS he can actually use...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft has moved the windows 10 update from optional to recommended. If you have your computer set to install recommended updates automatically (it is by default) it will install windows 10 without your permission.
iRemz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:57:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. In-place upgrade cannot revert to 32bit. Nice story, but technically impossible.
sleeplessone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:27 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, can't change architecture without a completely fresh install. No matter the method used.
pqu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine autoupdated and destroyed my SSD. I had to buy a new one (and installed Linux on it). Now from what I know about SSD's it was probably dying anyway and a big OS install pushed it over the edge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your imagination is very good; however, that is impossible.
Dustin- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just relaying the story. He seemed quite worked up about it, and I can't imagine he'd be lying.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A 32bit is simply cannot be installed on a 64bit architecture it will simply be rejected.
Edit: seems I'm wrong but hey, self installing windows is also farfetched.
lostsemicolon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:10:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other way around. You can't install 64-bit on 32.
AmirZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other way around, and it's impossible because all of the 64bit components that would stay during the upgrade wouldn't be able to be used anymore, and thus the entire OS would crash
Reavolt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it didn't lol
Tej-jeil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It installed In the middle of my uni class this morning. Without warning.
tertiusiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a specific IP or set of IPs that microsoft usually uses to connect to people's desktops? Would it be possible for me to just set my router to block communication with those adresses? I guess i have to accept that Microsoft can do whatever they want if they get access to my PC, but that doesn't mean I can't try to keep them out.
ThatGuyFromSweden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R.I.P my data plan then. FML.
cizra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im in windows seven and have been requested to upgrade but decline and since i only get the popups but no downloading or things alike.
ROOKIE99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing that happened to OP happened to me but it fully installed. I had to wipe and reinstall Windows 8. It happened over night when I fell asleep with my laptop on.
jcw99 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They made it a "recommended" update, so anyone who has the default setting of making Recommended be treated like essential will get it auto pushed
William_UK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Wasn't there a PSA post a few weeks ago that told us exactly how it's done, and to do it ASAP, otherwise this shit will happen?
RamRod013 ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 14:25:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if that isn't a good enough reason to shut down your PC when it's not in use, I don't know what is. Sorry for your inevitable frustration OP.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 14:27:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea I let it usually go to sleep mode but its still locked out. God I wish Linux supported the games I played
sizziano ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Download GWX control panel and disable that shite. Also check this out to get rid of the phantom download.
35nick35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GWX Control Panel is faaaaaaaaaaantastic.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:56:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how Linux supports Nuclear Throne and CS:GO.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:03:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea sadly I don't play either of those games :(. Though with the newest patch and version of whine I heard I can play warframe on it :D
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:18:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You gonna whine trying to run games on it.
DISCLAIMER: LAST TIME I USED WINE WAS IN 2012 IT COULD'VE GOTTEN BETTER AND IF IT DID I'M HORRIBLY SORRY
graey0956 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2012 was a long time ago friend. We're on version 1.9 now and game support is getting better with each release.
PrincessRailgun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually pretty good, some games might require some tweaking but most of the games actually work quite decent.
Qemyst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wine Is No Emulator.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:40:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually Wine Is Not an Emulator.
Qemyst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That works too.
RoosterTooth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Warframe you say...This is on my list of "Windows only games :'(". Time to test it out!
syboxez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have an option in your BIOS for IOMMU or VT-d, you can get a GT 210, or other dirt cheap GPU, and play all of your games in a Windows VM while using GNU/Linux as your main OS. You pass through your 390X to the VM when you do that. That's what I do.
IKill4MySkill ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Linux supported Planetside 2, Star Citizen, Elite Dangerous, GTA V, The Crew, MW:O.
:'((
Zweiffel ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:25:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you wish Planetside 2, Star Citizen, Elite Dangerous, GTA V, The Crew, MW:O supported Linux
IKill4MySkill ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. :/
boomshroom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for all of those games, but I have heard that the Star Citizen client is played to be ported to Linux. From what I understand, the server already runs on Linux.
IKill4MySkill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, but you can easily count a good year and a half, since they have to port CryEngine to vulkan first, then make sure it runs nicely on Linux.
You see, servers don't use DirectX, and that's pretty much the blocker here.
Atilliar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soo... by the time the game is out then?
IKill4MySkill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if the game is out since then. It's not like CIG really respects their timeline. Not that I care, even Alpha is the most fun I had in a space sim evet.
Atilliar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously thinking of getting it soon! I kinda don't even care that it's in alpha.
IKill4MySkill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean it's still less than the average game and doesn't have season pass bullshit, so it's not like it's a bad value.
adevland ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hang in there. More games are coming all the time. :D
Dustin- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My computer wakes up from sleep/hibernate in the middle of the night for god knows what reason. Probably to make sure I'm asleep before it starts pushing updates. Running Windows 10.
EggheadDash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dual boot, Windows is used for gaming and nothing else. I always switch back to Linux when I'm done. Windows is never left unattended.
Deimos94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yesterday I let it go to sleep mode with a timer (Sleep Timer Ultimate) and when I woke up in the morning my PC was still running. I remembered there were windows updates and with fear I turned on my TV to see if I was running windows 7 or 10...
To my relief it was still running the same OS as the day before. When Rocket League comes to Linux I will most likely get Ubuntu or a similar distro.
NoobInGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look into low level virtualization tech. Get extra low end GPU for Linux and allocate your beast to Windows. By doing this you will get control of your PC and get to lose it when you need it, but not completely
Ludwig_Van_Gogh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unplug you Ethernet every night. Only way to be sure anymore. What a ridiculous situation.
jimmybrite ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, windows 10 has fixed that with wake timers that are hard for the average user to turn off!
Dushenka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turn off the power.
Ludwig_Van_Gogh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unplug the Ethernet cable.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:42:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that why my computer keeps turning on randomly?
I put it in sleep mode but it's always on when I wake up.
jimmybrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, here are 2 links that should help you with that.
hotstickywaffle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any reason to not shut your pc down when you're done using it at night? I have an SSD so start up takes seconds for me, but I still know tons of people who just put theirs to sleep so I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong.
ItalianDragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep my RIG always on for a simple reason: due to my tinnitus whenever there is near silence the ringing in my ears is all I can, well, hear. However the fans of my PC, although extremely quiet, are just loud enough to create a soft noise who overrides my tinnitus. I can still sleep with my PC off but it's much more pleasuring to be in your bed with a gentle sound in your ears than ear ringing like if you had just been flashbanged in Counter Strike :\
Nintendo1474 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:07:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You idle your 1k+ rig for the fan noise? Why not just buy another fan and plug it in when you go to sleep?
Unless you're willing to fold for the cure. That's good, too.
ItalianDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well my apartment is very small and it's already pretty cramped so I don't have a whole lot of room to put stuff around :/
RamRod013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can get a portable desk fan just to keep it running at night.
ItalianDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could try that. Time to hit the stores I s'pose ;)
jack1197 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There have been times where i have shut my computer down overnight, and it has turned itself back on, sometimes for no obvious reason, sometimes to install updates, restart, and lose anything that i had open(usually nothing more important than browser tabs, fortunately)
Now i usually turn it off at the wall
Akalron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Intel Smart Connect would affect mine's sleep cycle, I am unsure if that also affects power down as well.
chickenbot5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can think of one reason.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 14:24:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have auto updates turned off and never reserved a copy. Got it all canceled out, went it to my windows update settings everything had been turned on to automatic....
Is that even legal for Microsoft to do?
And to clarify no one touched my computer because they dont have the password to unlock it.
Kibouo ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 14:29:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly yes. But that doesn't change the fact that it isn't something you're supposed to do. Since when did it become okay to force a product onto your customers?
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats crazy, now I wish linux supported all my games lol.
cuibksrub3 ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 14:40:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the standpoint for a lot of people on PCMR, including myself. We want Vulkan to fix all our problems.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:07:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly even all new games being vulkan would still leave us with the backwards compatibility issue, and since I'm about 3 years behind on gaming most of the time I will be stuck with Windows for a long time.
Pyroven ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:53:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't mean you can't dualboot and up the deamnd for Linux games.
Mornos ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:52:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can always have a windows 7 installation next to the Linux one or a VM with windows 7 if your pc is powerful enough. Both solutions aren't ideal but maybe good enough.
xtul ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:21:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dualbooting is tedious. tried it, still using windows most of the time even if i'm not playing any games
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ElBeefcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:26 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could set up a virtual machine through KVM or VmWare and use VGA passthrough to give this Windows VM direct access to your big graphics card. Near native performance.
xtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i thought about it but nope, my processor doesn't support vt-d. also i've got a single monitor
ElBeefcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Single monitor you could solve with just switching the inputs, for example Windows on the HDMI input and Linux on the DisplayPort input. You're right about the vt-d thing though, Intel kind of sucks for not putting that in the K cpu's.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will once I have money for a new harddrive.
Deimos94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a way to have the C:/ drive and the Linux equivalent on the same SSD vithout giving eauch of them 'X' GB of space? I only have a 240GB SSD + 2 500GB HDDs and I don't know if windows or Linux will need more.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:11 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M$ can still upgrade you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you even use Linux when not exlusively? Dual-booting seems like a chore, and I would rather stick to one OS.
pyrolizard11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using Linux increases demand for Linux support. Since we're all more or less in agreement that Microsoft is being shitty with Windows, more Linux support is good for either getting Microsoft to stop being shitty or having an alternative if they don't.
In the meantime, while Linux support is becoming more common and Microsoft hasn't stopped being shitty, Windows may be necessary for certain things even though Linux is nicer day to day.
cuibksrub3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
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_sosneaky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that's the only thing stopping you then dual boot windows 7 and only buy and play new games on linux (to accelerate the adoption rate of vulkan)
blueblur112198 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:19:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One day...
Tizaki ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:34:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/AskLinuxUsers
If you need it.
Kibouo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:41:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same :( I'm waiting for that day to come
the_space_coder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same i would switch over in a heartbeat. I love windows 10 but it forcing updates on me without me even knowing until after they are downloaded is bs. If i dont want to upgrade that is my choice not mircosofts.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly it never will unless they can make money off of it , as it stands , they have no reason to have full game support for linux because the money just isn't there for them.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea why I wish I had endless amounts of money to throw to developers to support linux lol. I have Linux on my laptop and love it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same, I have my laptop that I run debian on that supports a good chunk of steam games but everything else i have to do through WINE and it runs like hot garbage .
pacifica333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Support Linux by actually using it and the game devs will get the picture.
Mockapapella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some insight from someone who switched ~2 weeks ago
Though I'm sure you've heard of it, there is an emulator called WINE that is able to install windows programs, including games. It's a little bit behind on DirectX versions from my understanding, but apparently Vulkan is supposed to fix things like that (Though I myself know very little about that)
minipump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if everyone wants that but won't use Linux in the first place, why would they release the games on Linux?
kazkas1398 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MS is pretty fucked up now
BrookieDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft has a new mindset about its OS's, that exist completely separate from "is this legal?" and "how can they force this change?"
You are buying "Windows" now, not "Windows XP" "Windows 7" etc etc. And they have full rights to make changes to their software as they want, you just have the option to be in the club or not.
Think of it like this way (not everyone here is a geeky gamer I know but bear with me). Everyone is playing Oldschool World of Warcraft. Cataclysm expansion comes out. World, stats, maps, races, everything is flipped upside down and torn apart and whatnot. Could the players just decide "Nah this isn't for me"? Nope, not in the least. At least not unless you are using some hacked server.
This is windows now. They decide the shape of the product. You are paying for membership.
Carnae_Assada ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama care apparently
Kibouo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does a social system have to do with an independent economical orientated company?
Carnae_Assada ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both think it's OK to force products on people. Only difference was I like Windows 10 and it was free.
Kibouo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know all in and outs of Obama Care. But here in Belgium we've had a social system since the '70-'80 and it's actually pretty nice. Okay, everyone gotta hand off some money to the gov, but it's not like it's a lot for the people who earn tens of thousands. And for
PM_ME_YOUR_HONEYDEWS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is forcing you to buy health care. You can just pay the fine and pay out of pocket when you inevitably have to go to the doctor.
benjimaestro ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:59:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you allow it to upgrade to W10, is it possible to revert and then it shouldn't bother you again?
Wave3D ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:26:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you think it would not bother you again?
Don't you want to upgrade, join us.......
benjimaestro ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:04:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do like W10 but in terms of privacy and user control, it's a huge step back. The whole PCMR principle is you can have whatever you want, so if OP wants an older version, he should be able to have that without an issue.
Wave3D ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:06:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He should never have to fight his OS for control, win 10 : (
sizziano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would suggest doing something like this.
RoosterTooth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried this....twice. I'm STILL getting the popup every day to upgrade.
benjimaestro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try this, others seem to like it: https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510
thejam15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe so
Neilas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes for 30 days you have the option to revert your installation.
notinecrafter ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:48:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, don't support Microsoft by buying a copy!
XTacDK ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:09:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Since MS shut down Digital River download links for Win7 .iso files, things been pretty difficult. Now you have to either relay on shady websites or... yeah, pirate sources. But finding an english Win7 .iso is not a problem at all in my experience.
Try looking for Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1, danish language. Its impossible. Finding isos for localized windows versions is a huge pain in the ass.
Oh, and that new Windows 7 iso download site Microsoft made? Yeah, it does not accept OEM keys. Like, what the fuck. Lets just make a site that only like 20% of all Windows 7 owners will be able to use. What a bright idea.
Nathat23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Here's a mirror for
them allmost: http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/XTacDK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All? Hardly. Danish versions are not there, sadly. I checked before.
Joshposh70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you download the English version and then add the danish language pack? I remember doing that for a friend a few years back.
XTacDK ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is doable. But the thing is, it takes time to download Vistalizator and the LIP, and then you also have to install it. Takes a while. Sometimes I cant afford that while. Also, some things do not translate fully (Explorer and boot screen are some examples).
It is simply more convinient to have an .iso.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:34:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow MS
I wish Linux had more games...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wish i could like linux, but the whole +10 years of using a windows, the learning curve is just too huge. windows is incredibly easy and comfortable to use, and it'd take me months to be able to do anything on linux.
RainbowGoddamnDash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It ain't that hard really.
I had to install Ubuntu on a different HDD when I started doing web development. The command line stuff is pretty easy after like a month; especially if you just want to edit a single line in a file, you can do that in command line with the echo command. Want to open up a file and edit it in the command line?
The only annoying thing is the dash bar, its version of the start bar. They place theirs on the left side of the screen, vertically.
So when I switch over to my windows hdd, I keep finding myself dragging my mouse to the left edge and wondering why the fuck my dash bar not opening up.
EDIT: Btw, if you guys ever want to learn command line commands, here.
You can learn these commands on windows too, using the powershell application that's built right in! :D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeahh i just had enormous trouble opening directories, trying to gain admin rights (holy shit come on), installing drivers (okay sudo stuff was pretty easy, but unlike windows, i couldn't just enter the drivers and stuff via a GUI) and all that. man did i struggle with directories. it doesn't help that somehow linux doesn't show you the file system like windows does? uh, okay i have no idea. last time i used ubuntu was like, 8.4 or something.
mcd1992 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what distro you were using but Angtergos is really simple and has all the benefits of Arch Linux. Whatever desktop environment you install (I use/recommend XFCE) should come with a file browser / manager that will work like Windows explorer. The package manager that comes with Antergos will handle installing drivers for you. I use both Antergos and a custom Arch install and I haven't had to do any command line trickery on the antergos install.
1that__guy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use Linux for 1 month.
I Use (Stock, no antergos and the likes) Arch Linux, which is considered a somewhat advanced distro.
I used windows all my life, though I knew about Linux for a while.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea this was a issue for me when I was building my wife's rig. I had a key but needed the iso. Lucky me I had one stored on a old drop box I had made. But yea with Digital River gone I can imagine anything other than English is hard to find.
Ramael3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, this is what I did: I bought a legal copy of Win 7 and then pirated it so I can control how and when I update my OS. I don't want random 'security' updates, I don't want to send my information to microsoft. I'll support Microsoft, but I want to control my computer. You know?
notinecrafter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried a legal install. Disk didn't work. Tried illegal install. Did work.
legayredditmodditors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:46:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't EVER do that if you don't want a shitty install procedure.
What a lovely day.
issmkc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:50:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if the checksum is the same as in MSDN you can pretty much safely install Windows from those images and activate it with your previous license. if I remember correctly Windows stores its activation data in BIOS on some computers as well, so you might get it already activated provided you installed the same edition of the OS you had before.
fyi cmd files are text and you can read them in notepad
notinecrafter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:19:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did this myself, can confirm there is no malware, even though my entire Windows is illegal. Most high-seeded torrents are actually malware free. Install procedure worked better than the legal install DVD, which didn't get past loading...
ElectronicsWizardry ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you install a pirated copy of win 7 enterprise you can't upgrade to windows 10.
tojal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your windows copy genuine?
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:06:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea the key is :D
greenkingwashere ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:01:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just update? 10 Rocks
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:08:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Data mining, less control, terrible metro apps, preinstalled non-removable bloatware like OneDrive and Candy Crush, ads. What does it do better?
DEATH_csgo ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
all removable with Spybot Anti-Beacon.
overall its a much better os, once you turn off the privacy stuff.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:35:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The multi monitor support is MUCH better in 10.
Wave3D ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:37:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The single monitor support is worse.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? That doesn't make any sense.
Wave3D ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:03:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a worse OS for one monitor.
Blowmewhileiplaycod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so
Wave3D ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like the evasive update and monitoring systems.
The support for old programs is not solid enough to move yet.
The changes maid to the system are making less then 100% reliable for business.
Perdouille ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can install a lot of these features on Windows 7 / 8, there isn't a lot more fps, I don't see a change in boot times, and iirc Windows 8 got Hyper-V
UndyingJellyfish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My boot time going from Windows 7 to 10 was halfed. Also, good luck "installing" the saved battery power on system resources.
FriendlyDespot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How much longer will the CR2032 battery on my motherboard last with Windows 10?
TheN00B3R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find this anywhere. If I don't have Spybot Anti-Beacon active, it will still protect my privacy, right? Or do I need to have it on in order to let it protect my privacy?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you happen to know of a program that fixes the file management system with something more akin to windows 7?
DEATH_csgo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean. like, what aspect?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the way it looks and feels, I like the Windows 7 one and for some reason the thing that bothers me most about windows 10 is windows explorer. Yes I know it's stupid but it annoys me for some reason.
brandiniman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Shell
iforgot120 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but what about it do you not like? You can make it look exactly like the W7 Explorer just by hiding side panels and changing a few defaults.
Fun1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is wrong with Windows Explorer in 10? I have no issues with it.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is like asking why someone does not like art, the design of 10 is bad, if people liked it they would want it, they don't.
Fun1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just asking what he finds bothersome about WE, am I not allowed to do that?
I think the design of 10 is okay. I hated Metro in 8, so I am glad I have a normal start menu now. Games run fine for me. I disabled the nosy services. I am okay with 10.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You are right, I did jump on the question a bit hard...
At this point win 8/10/RT have been over the top evil, the window dressing is hated.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a hard time understanding the second part of your comment.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many times have you hated your car?
Or
Desk?
The fact that you have hated windows is what I point to.
I will be outside upgrading your car.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't hate Windows, I just disliked Metro.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has windows done anything you did not such as ADs, spyware, forced upgrade, metro, the win app store, win-RT.
The more you use M$ products the worse it gets.
Fun1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are really biased if you think having to click a few times to disable some unwanted features is worth hating an entire OS.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The OP of this thread could have avoid the upgrade with just a few clicks.
Yes the pain of windows is making me biased against it.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dislike that OP had it forced, but I like W10.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am all for you making any life choice, no matter how much I disagree with it.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can agree on that.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You still should not be allowed to join the domain if your windows 10.
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What domain? PCMR? Well, that's stupid.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, a work domain, a network where all the computers talk to each other.
It is just a tech joke.
Welcome to PCMR : )
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7
&
Classic Shell
World-Jumper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Shell works on Windows 10 too, which can change the file explorer back to what you are familiar with.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most benchmarks don't give it nearly the increase in performance you are pretending it has. Boot times and snapping in exchange for bloat, privacy, and loss of control.
You are also now at the whim of Microsoft and whatever its future adware platform wants to give you. Down the road they will push more crap down your throat and you will be wishing you stayed on 7.
DEATH_csgo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:29:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DX11 based games see a ~10% performance increase.
be careful with your tinfoil hat you might cut yourself.
its not nearly as drastic as you make it out to be, and you can easily turn all of that off with 1 of 10+ simple one click utilities that turns it all off via gpo.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id say its worse, if you had told me my OS would be plastering targeted ads all over the place, forcing people to upgrade, and logging local searches and browser history Id have assumed Facebook bought it.
PC used to be about freedom from this kind of crap.
DEATH_csgo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:39:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I going to assume you upgraded and hit "express" settings because you were too lazy to turn all of thos mentioned items off.
Its funny that you think windows 7 don't do exactly what you listed, same with vista and win8.
they all do targeted ads based on location, they all do local logging of searches and browsing history.
they all send usage / crash history to ms.
shit all of these mentioned items outside of the targeted ads with a unique ad id, has been around since windows xp (maybe even earlier i don't remember.)
dstaller ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming he's even tried it. He likely just jumped on the tin foil hat bandwagon like everyone else who refuses to upgrade to 10. Why bother doing research when the bandwagon is easier? And hey....free tin foil hats.
I have one PC currently still on Windows 7 and that's my Office PC. That's only because my AutoCAD 2010 doesn't support anything higher than 7. Program is too expensive to update the software when the one I have works perfectly fine.
DEATH_csgo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:56:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if that was true.
as for autocad. it does work. (copy paste for a method that has worked for me in the past)
Open Setup.ini (Configuration File with some GEAR LIKE).
On the middle you will see:
PRIMARY_MSI=acad\acad.msi
SETUP_ICON=SetupRes\acad.ico
x86_IMAGE_PATH=x86
x64_IMAGE_PATH=x64
CHANGE
x64_IMAGE_PATH=x64 to be: x64_IMAGE_PATH=x86
SAVE
RUN the SETUP AGAIN in XP COMPATIBLE MODE
also http://shop.longbowsoftware.com/Longbow-Converter_c3.htm has been known to work (granted its 80 bucks)
dstaller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. That method is gauranteed to work for Windows 10 and AutoCAD 2010?
DEATH_csgo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to guarantee anything, but i have installed autocad 2010 on win 8.1 via the copy paste method i posted. and pretty much everywhere you read online says the longbow converter works.
dstaller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saving to possibly experiment with later. Just have to make sure to find the disc and product key just in case it screws up.
Thanks!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show me a targeted ad inside Windows 7. I don't think I've ever seen one.
DEATH_csgo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
win 7 don't show login screen ads like win 10 can (or so i herd, haven't seen it myself), however it does log your location and it is accessible by sites / apps. in the case of windows 7 its IE that generates it and holds the location, then you can probe it via .net to get the users location.
and you can also run a simple .net script to probe findipinfo to get their location based on ip (if they are not on vpn)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds more like a feature in this case, unless Microsoft is embedding their own ads into IE or logging your location data to a server.
IE 10 has targeted ads in the start menu, in Metro apps, and the full screen ads you are talking about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't happen, and you know it. Stop lying.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Local search is tied to Bing, which is tied to your Microsoft account. Cortana is data mined. Internet history is set to sync to Microsoft by default.
Unless you go through and disable everything it is data mining you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your search engine of choice can farm you all it wants, this is an operating system, its supposed to be a clean slate; its not supposed to be like an OEM laptop loaded with data mining and bloatware.
Strangely PCMR has been complaining about Lenovo and Acer for years, yet are perfectly fine when Microsoft are the ones doing it. Not sure if we are being shilled or what.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's only tied to Bing if you accept it during the customization after upgrading.
NukeMeNow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tfw you think windows 7 wasn't 'data mining'
iforgot120 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost all of the pre-installed apps are removable. There aren't any ads in the OS itself; that's ridiculous. The data mining is only on if you're using Cortana, which is an awesome IPA, but I can understand why you wouldn't want to use her. They also do reports for app usage statistics, but the app developers themselves get that data, and it's incredibly helpful for making their apps better. Every developer for any program or app will collect data, then ask if you want to send it. It's not like MS even tries to hide it.
What do you mean by less control? There hasn't been a single thing I've wanted to do that I can't. Everything I could do in previous Windows systems I can do in W10.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact you have to explain why the OS is data mining.
And yes it has ads, I am sure your correct in a strictly logical way, but people now have ads on their desktops.
iforgot120 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really the OS that's data mining; it's Cortana (for legitimate reasons), which comes bundled with W10 and can be turned off.
There are no ads on the desktop. Maybe you're using some widgets or something?
Buck-O ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cortana can never be fully turned off. Even when disabled, it's still sending search keystrokes back to MS in Edge or the Search bar.
And even if you turn everything off, MS is still collecting usage statistics, and demographic data on you. Like how many pictures you have, and where you save them. Their own press release at launch confirms this (which was basically an advertisement for marketing firms, so MS can say "look at all this off-web data we got!)
No matter how you want to argue it, Win10 us an intrusive OS that can not be stopped or user controlled.
iforgot120 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah, if you type things into Edge, that'll record keystrokes. But that's Edge doing it, not Cortana. Other browsers do the same; that's how they can do predictive searching and autofill.
I also brought the usage analytics in my post.
Buck-O ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, all of the built in Bing features run through Cortana for the predictive text. So even if you disable Cortana, Cortana is still operating all search queries, and still phoning home in exactly the same way if it was enabled. Just perhaps not as often, and without as much autonomy.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear others in my world complaining about the ads and I have to give them tech support.
I suffer no fools on my desktop and will not be using windows 10.
iforgot120 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then they've definitely fucked something up.
Wave3D ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yep with switching to win 8 and 10, that is what they messed up!
drhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where? I haven't seen any ads on my desktop. If there are any ads then they must be the least effective ones ever.
Wave3D ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:46:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try to google win 10 ads
There is now a win 10 ADs SDK, and is in tons of the "free" apps.
Free app is another term for default or base app.
When I buy a OS there is no free app, the default games and programs that come with it are not free I payed for the platform.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are targeted ads in metro applications, on the start menu, and the lock screen. Then of course the local search which now uses Bing.
ArtfullyUseless ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There must be a setting for those.
I've been using W10 for over a year now and I don't have any ads anywhere, in the start menu or lock screen. I suppose there could be some in the metro apps, But I never use them. Just the same programs I always did.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you, i have zero ads
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, WTF Are these people talking about. I will admit I haven't opened windows store once
gradientByte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
did you connect it with live account?
i actually deleted a userprofile my sister accidentally made when installing brand new windows 10 on her laptop, then i made a local account.
darn thing is so well hidden i have to pay extra attention to make a simple local profile and not the hyper-super-convinient-microsoft account
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah of course I am using a local account
Dushenka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf, I got nothing in any of those locations you mentioned and I didn't disable anything specific. The only thing I remember having done is switching my default search to Google with Firefox...
But then, I'm also not using metro applications, who in the right mind would use them...?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You probably have Pro
d3athsd00r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DX12 and GoW:UE /s
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:44:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they do record statistics, as they've always done.
Maybe true to some small degree. I don't personally know.
Fairly true. 8.1 certainly did that better.
OneDrive is indeed installed into your OS now, that's true. You can't remove it, but neither do you have to use it.
Onedrive and Candy Crush (Shudder) aren't advertisements. What you're on about is application suggestions - Those can be disabled easily, by just right-clicking your desktop, going into personalization -> Start, and unchecking the option.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually <3 all PCMR members but you and the bama fans are on my shit list right now :D
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You usually what??
YOU USUALLY WHAT I NEED TO KNOW
kayonesoft ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:20:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Less than three, duh.
Aleitheo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
<3 is a heart. <3 means love.
MajorAsshole- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you got against Bama fans?
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol everything, its more of a joke but yea every bama fan I ever met is obnoxious. I honestly dont care about schools like that but yea. Gotta hate on someone :D
freedomdoge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roll Tide!!!
Aleitheo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my week of experience of 10 I can say the word I would use to describe it would be sucks.
I've had as many if not more problems with Win10 in the time I've used it than I have had with Win7 all together.
I put off updating for as long as I did because I wanted to make sure I wasn't busy with anything at the time to deal with any potential program conflicts. Those were the least of my worries.
Also sucks that my RAM and CPU usage has gone up quite a bit since updating too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Aleitheo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Files being marked as Read Only out of nowhere with no easy way to change it back. Clean install may be the solution. Honestly I haven't seen any solutions to the problem as threads stopped talking about it after a few months ago.
Also HDDs disappearing. Look into HDDs going into sleep mode and change that.
Driver IRQL errors, mine in particular being due to ethernet drivers. Those were updated pretty recently too.
That's what I heard too, so the instances of high CPU surprised me too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Aleitheo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's possible I think upgrade (making sure all your stuff is safe), get the key for your installation then downgrade. That way you have the Win10 key that you can use after the 1st year free upgrade is over. Best double check if this is possible though of course.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Aleitheo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't deny the task manager is a huge improvement. Cleaner view and separating apps and windows/background processes goes a long way. That and it appears to colour code based on how much is being used.
The odd thing is the higher usage with the CPU is largely due to spikes. Sometimes it's just one, sometimes it's a load of spikes for a little while.
I really should keep track of what seems to be the problem when it next spikes like that.
epicflyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did you try it, and what issues did you run into?
Been using 10 since it released, and the only major issues I've run into is shit I buggered up myself. No problems after the threshold 2 update.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here... When I see these threads complaining about stuff it makes me wonder what the hell these people are doing. I've never run into any issues that are talked about in this thread.
Aleitheo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of bugs aren't caused by the user doing anything out of the ordinary.
Aleitheo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried it a little over a week ago. Problems that I can remember include;
Ragmetil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure there was a mandated date where unless otherwise specified, all computers were set to switch to Windows 10.
concretebox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could one set up a firewall to block it?
mr_d0gMa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a program I use that keeps windows 10 off 7' and stops it from coming back, I can't remember it's bloody name though, really a must have
Carly_is_cool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:57 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
once my windows 10 installed windows 10 lol.
Folsomdsf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:45 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ACtually you did, it can't actually do what you describe unless you did. This also requires you to have an MS acct.
Headbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:34 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can get away with murder in the terms of service. Which are also subject to constant change.
In_Dying_Arms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:06 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You own a license to use their operating system, on their terms.
ForPoopAndCountry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you go into services you can disable that whole process I believe. I build computers for my school system and they make me do that for specifically this reason.
solimor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same sit happend to me last sunday.... teh worst part is how many of my setting the change over to Microsoft... fucking nigthmare :(
MarlinMr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you not want Win10? What is wrong with changing OS?
LegendGames ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:05:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can I avoid this? I use a lot of older programs for work related stuff and I don't think they all use Windows 10 yet :/
notinecrafter ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:21:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is a dangerous place, take this
bigchorizo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for this!
Karmas_burning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck yeah this is awesome.
LegendGames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, nice. Thanks!
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea I thought I was able to but not reserving a copy and had anything auto update turned off. Yet like a user said before Microsoft legally can turn it all back on which it looks like they did. Im lucky enough to have a decent rig, but I fear for older comps where it could fry the comp. GL sir
Jamesgardiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can avoid it by not pressing the install button. All this does is download windows 10, and while that's bad, it's not like you're gonna wake up to a whole new operating system.
spacemonkey519 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:00:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
get gwx control panel, it makes all your windows-10-free dreams come true: http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
rIse_four_ten_ten ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:23:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you have to download a 3rd party control panel to block your own updates is insane.
spacemonkey519 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:43 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i had that thought as well, will be switching to Linux in the future. i dont know when the exact moment was that the government/microsoft decided they could do whatever they wanted with our shit but we are well past it now.
_sosneaky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:02 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Be glad that you can still download a 3rd party control panel to block updates on windows 7
on windows 10 you won't have that luxury
lukaus ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally my worst fear right now. I had to install a VM with Windows 7 to have Visual Studio on my Linux system, and my friend joked 'Careful that it doesn't update your Linux OS to Windows 10!'
Impossible, of course, but just the fact that he could make that joke shows just how out of hand this is getting.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next thing you know they create a botnet of Linux devices through viruses so on the first anniversary of Win 10, they turn every computer on the internet, no matter the OS, to Windows 10. just joking. :P
Assscracker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:32:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS GODDAMNIT JOHN
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that would be illegal and I'd gladly sue the shit out of them
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:15:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be funny if it auto updates your VM then the Linux host, why not.
NoobInGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be pretty impressive.
Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your worst fear is upgrading to W10, I'm envious.
lukaus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actual worst fear is being in a car that goes off a bridge
mistikal_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aegis is your friend - blurb from the post:
https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510
epicurus4271 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:55:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish this showed up a day before the gates ama
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gates is like ama went ok push windows 10 to everyone!
Winning
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notinecrafter ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:22:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
take this
bigchorizo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for this! Gonna set it up as soon as I get home!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn bro you're pretty chill. thank you.
waterlubber42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
voat isn't dead yet?
socialrejekt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
once you've rolled back use this: http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
GWX control panel, removes anything and everything to do with win10, whatever you want removing, itll remove
ShadyShroomz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:07:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
removed for privacy
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason is due to it being placed as an 'recommended' update now, so a lot of people's auto-update mechanisms are turning many computers into Windows 10.
olbaze ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:57:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft keeps digging a deeper hole in an attempt to get as many people as possible moved over to Windows 10.
Let's be honest: If Microsoft hadn't given people ample reason to stick to older versions, they wouldn't have to use shady tactics like marking GWX as a security update.
mr_d0gMa ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:56:41 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even care if windows 10 is better, on principle alone it feels invasive. The reason I don't use chrome is because every program auto installs it unless you go through all options, unpicking them... I got fed up and now I just say that I'll never get it.
_sosneaky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:44:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waterfox is infinitely superior to chrome anyhow.
It uses less memory and more importantly WAY less cpu cycles. it also has better search functionality.
tetsballer ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 17:07:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just realized this morning microsoft is automatically upgrading windows 7,8 for you to 10...by itself....just because...$40,000 plasma cutter no longer worked because it broke the shared folder and shared printer...THANKS MICROSOFT !!!
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:19:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ouch
ballsack_man ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:22:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always set my updates to never check since I prefer to install them manually when I need to. Few days ago I woke up to a notification saying that windows finished updating. I checked my settings and there it was, set to automatically download and install. I thought this only occured on win8 but my win7 was affected too. Total bullshit I tell you.
Wave3D ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:10:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right who needs a computer to work, M$ has new ads/spyware to place on your desktop.
tetsballer ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:07:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea they were like oh um the plasma pc updated to 10...me being the IT guy I was like "uh wat?"
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:29:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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tetsballer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:54:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea I had to go around and uninstall some update ending in 5583 I think and then restart and then check for updates and hide it, but apparently sometimes that doesnt even work.
BaggedTaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you not running WSUS? Are you trying to drive yourself into alcoholism?
tetsballer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
small office, no budget, server is a gaming rig running win 7, leaving in a week :)
BaggedTaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's free.
But, you're leaving so...
tetsballer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
also dont have windows server as the OS on the server soo...yea...
NoobInGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oops" -Microsoft
qazme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless something changed I'm unaware of the KB update will not install on Active Directory machines. At least it hasn't on any of my machines. We are still in the process of validating our software before we can even think about moving to Windows 10. I like W10 but I've told the company the stear clear for awhile.
*Scratch that I see where they started rolling it out to domains now. Argh - like I don't have enough to do already. Guess it's time to start looking at blocking it.
sleeplessone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't running WSUS why again?
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tomorrow's head line win 10 update blows some dude up with a plasma torch.
KjoeLjan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume there will be more stories like that today at /r/talesfromtechsupport... shameful plug
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they will get more money from Ad companies and Analytics than they do from you.
They don't care. You're not paying them anything.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep if you don't pay for the product you are the product.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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tetsballer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whatever they have on there actually seems to work fine so lucky me
mrbaggins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pro shouldn't update automatically, and if it is, it's way easier to stop than home is.
TyIzaeL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
> business critical applications / hardware
> not using WSUS
Learn your lesson now or be ready to learn it again. With or without Windows 10 this was going to bite you eventually.
wataha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like you need 2 machines. The Wind connected to your cutter should not be allowed to go online outside your LAN.
tetsballer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it does, but the embedded xp machine connected to the plasma no longer had permission to access the shared files it needed after windows updated to 10
EtanSivad ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:05:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me, I turned on my backup desktop the other day to "Congratulations! Windows is scheduled to upgrade on March XX"
FUCK THAT. It's an old machine with 4 gigs of ram that I let the kids play minecraft on. It's stable, it does not need Windows 10. This is why all the other machines have Linux...
notabum24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:54 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me. I was pissed.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just put Linux on it and put Minecraft on Linux? It has a Linux version.
EtanSivad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son gets the linux server to play minecraft on.
This older machine is just an old desktop that I keep around for the few apps that don't play well under Linux/Wine. It's a reliable system, and good to have for spares, but it would not deal well with Windows 10.
GalaxyBread ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 uses less resources than Windows 7/8/8.1
It would probably run better with Windows 10...
nukedorbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:36:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My old Toshiba Satellite updated itself to 10 a couple weeks back. It wasn't the hottest machine with win 7,but it was good enough fit civ 4 and Netflix, which is what i have it hooked up to my tv in the living room for.
It boots faster, but it barely opens chrome, and i can't stream anything outside of spotify, and even that bogs down. I can watch movies if they are stored on it, otherwise PLEX/Netflix gets a weird lag when actually streaming (even within my own LAN). Civ 4 won't even launch anymore. ):
lo_gravity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:57 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had issues with my Satellite as well. Went right back to 7.
OceanOfSpiceAndSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:41 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't minecraft run on Linux?
HuskUrsa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:52:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I left to school with my Windows 8 PC on. Came back home and found that it transformed into a Windows 10 PC.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Join us.... join... us...
TrainwreckAU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:51:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
LOL, bad luck man....I only ever downloaded crucial updates, Windows 7 SP1 installed, no further updates, update set to off so it will never do anything.
_sosneaky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:47:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're now disguising ad hooks as 'security updates'
In the coming weeks or months they WILL disguise the windows 10 download as a crucial update.
They have kept getting more and more agressive and more and more pushy and they are not going to stop.
skiskate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:10 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than Windows 8.
xdamm777 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only way to change this is to Revert back to your previous operating system (Windows 10 makes an exact copy upon upgrading, and the revert process is seamless) and then call Microsoft and complain you lost a day of work or tell them this upgrade broke some shared drives, folders or other mission critical legacy devices.
They need to listen to consumer feedback, whining in forums won't change anything.
Wave3D ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:52:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The revert process can be truly bad, back up your data before you roll back, you should format or have a clone anyways.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seemless eh? Explain the number of computers which the revert process fucked up on showing up at my shop.
xdamm777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't, but while trying the Windows Insider builds on my desktop and laptop I had reverted back to W8.1 and older W10 builds many times since the W10 build started experiencing issues booting and overclocking with my G3258 (desktop) and also using my dedicated GPU (laptop).
Every time the whole revert process took around 8 minutes and the whole OS was identical as it was before. I also tried this on Threshold release 2 and the current W10 build on my laptop and haven't had any issues yet.
Obviously this is just from personal experience but obviously there's always going to be people that have issues with their machines, my experience has been problem-free however.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a repair shop so i only see when things break, however i wouldn't recommend relying on the rollback in my experience.
FalzHunar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:40:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you love Windows 7 but don't want the Windows 10 kool-aid you can use Windows Server 2008 R2 instead.
legayredditmodditors ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:54:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, GREAT idea. lol
GoldenPenisOfDeath ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:20:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Arrr, me matte! A very good idea ;)
adam279 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:41:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or just uninstall and block the 3 updates related to windows 10.
choufleur47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it wont stop. there will be more., last summer all we had was a limited time free upgrade and now they are trying to shove it down our throat. it wont get easier.
TheSpookiestSkeleton ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:49:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Microsoft's insistence that everyone use Windows 10 is exactly why I don't use Windows 10.
If you have so little confidence in your product it has to be free and practically shoved down my throat- I'm going to be MORE than a little wary about the exact reasoning of why you want me to have it so badly.
Zerran ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if microsoft would've sold Win10 for 50โฌ and didn't advertise it in MY TRAY BAR of MY FUCKING PERSONAL PC, I would've bought it. Instead, microsoft behaves like disgusting piece of shit company and I will never change to Win10, regardless of if it's free or not.
TheSpookiestSkeleton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's kind of... I dunno... Suspicious as well? Not tin foil hat tier but if someone were to follow me around, insisting on shoving a cupcake down my throat despite me telling them "No" I don't think it's crazy to assume that they might have put something unpleasant in it.
choufleur47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:05:50 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
last time i saw that shit it was google forcing us to use g+
TheSpookiestSkeleton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ughhh I almost forgot about google+
That was a goddamn mess.
_sosneaky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:58:49 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need a tin foil hat, we already know why they're shoving win10 down our throats :UWP
The cat is out of the bag now, and all the people who were suspicious have now had their reluctance to upgrade vindicated.
PC_Mustard_Race83 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:42:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually just started downloading 10 myself while I was home for lunch. The main reason I had held out to this point was that I was afraid my Skyrim directory would get borked and all the mods I spent so long configuring would be broken. However, the Nexus Mod Manager broke them all last night for me, so now I have nothing to fear.
Hovek ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let us all have a moment of silence for this catastrophic event.
PC_Mustard_Race83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't played it in several months and wanted to grab a couple new mods from the Nexus. NMM said it had an update, and then that it no longer handles mods the same way or some bullshit, and that all my mods needed to be uninstalled and reinstalled, but never to fear, because NMM would do it for me. So I let it uninstall everything, and then it went through them all one by one and activated them again, only in no discernible order. So it was installing patches for things that hadn't even been installed yet. Then at about 80% of the way through, NMM crashed. I clicked on my SKSE launcher and thought to myself, "This shit is just going to CTD." Sure enough, right after the logo it crashes. Fuck it. Time for a clean install.
Hovek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww man. I use Mod Organizer.. never really had anything like that happen.
What happened is NNM went the same way as MO on the profiles front. so you could have several different configurations of mods if you wanted.
PC_Mustard_Race83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'll check out MO. At least I was able to backup all my mods so I won't have to download them again. NMM drives me crazy the way it tries to do too much. I don't need you to setup profiles and whatnot for me. I just want to be able to click that little green button on the Nexus and install the mods.
Hovek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well MO can do a lot more than NMM. But it does what you tell it to and I think that's the biggest distinction there.
CrackFerretus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use Mod organizer for skyrim, and never turn back
_dentron_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:55 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude like the same thing happened to me about a week or two ago and I had the same crash. I feel your pain bro.
Zerran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you never head of the word "backup"? Or, even more simple, copying a folder?
PC_Mustard_Race83 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I backed up all my mods. I just need to install them in the correct order. Obviously, yes, it would be nice if I had backed up my data folder. But honestly, a video game directory typically isn't something I'm worried enough about to do a backup on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I updated to 10 from 8.1, it borked, then i fixed it... more than once, and even after all the shenanigans my New Vegas mods are untouched and work just fine.
CPX4656 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:32:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I woke up to windows 10 already installed.....
Piscea ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:41:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. On my windows 8 machine that is used only for netflix in bed.
Thing is, I hadn't switched the TV over to that input in over a week.
No keyboard/mouse attached to computer. Leave it alone and running for a week. Came back to windows 10...
WTF?!
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maybe there's a button - your computer will upgrade in 15 minutes.
hate those
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? I ask because I willingly upgraded to it as soon as I could.
BOFslime ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No you didn't. There's a fair bit of setup that doesn't even start until you tell it to. You can't just magically wake up at a windows 10 desktop.
Edit; I love how I get downvoted even though the above poster admitted they clicked to allow the upgrade overnight.
CPX4656 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the upgrade was scheduled to happen at 3 A.M. So that day i left my computer on, I forgot about it. But good thing Microsoft has that rollback feature.
Rebzo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate Windows 7, don't have to deal with MS bullshit
Netprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to legitimate windows 7 pro licenses. I had to call Microsoft to try to get them ( pack of 3 keys) to install. The result was here just have windows 10. It is total bullshit. Technet could not fix the issue. ( or would not most likely)
legayredditmodditors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:07:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bad idea
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody else could be stealing your data?
Rebzo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't had a single problem with my OS so far and MS haven't tried to hijack my computer, I'm fine with it
_sosneaky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not a bad idea.
I bought windows 7 when it released but I will be switching to a pirated version once I can't get rid of the nagscreens or the actual 'upgrade' anymore
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heeeeeeeeres Cortanny!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect. :P
OmertaFPS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me today, my 2-year old did it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Punch
your 2 year oldSatya Nadella then. :Pyosamabinshot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:47:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you have had a real response, but Windows changed how it defines Windows 10 update. First they changed it from an optional update to a recommended update. They then put through an update that caused computers to automatically update recommended updates as if they were important/required updates. I work at an IT company fixing computers for the general populace. It's just sad how many elderly couples come in after losing all of their information due to this "optional" update running itself and corrupting all of their information. Rarely do they have backups and some have lost thousands of family pictures procured over their lifetime.
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PM me if you ever want help recovering files, it is quite simple to recover lost files on a classic hard Drive(non-ssd)
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:54:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone keeps missing what I wrote I never had recommended set lol. I have check for updates but let me choose. That what scares me because thats always been the setting on my computers and all of a sudden it was switched to "Install updates automatically"
yosamabinshot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't really show the set. It runs an update that makes the set and immediately runs the install. Unless you saw the very start of the automatic update you would have missed it.
Analtoast ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:37:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe I'm at the point where I am worried that if I turn off my PC Windows 10 may install itself the next time I turn it on.
Why can't MS take no for an answer?
I_RARELY_RAPE_PEOPLE ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:01:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they already took money for an answer from others
Wave3D ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:35:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because we are now the product as M$ sells us down the river.
dezix ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:01:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Zerran ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they will come back. Microsoft is a piece of shit company. The solution is to either never install any "recommended update" again (microsoft wording for adware / forced upgrade) or to manually google every single KB number...
but, judging from how shitty microsoft behaves, they will move their adware from "recommended update" to "important update" in the future...
dezix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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_sosneaky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I shouldn't have to fucking sift through the updates to seperate the malware from the useful ones.
Windows update is now literally like your email inbox where you constantly have to be mindful of phishing emails ... That's where we are at now...
Unacceptable
adam279 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kb 3123862 aswell.
ManlyBeardface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got upgraded without rebooting. I just came home, turned on my TV and "Welcome to Windows 10!"
Analtoast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend had her laptop update while she was doing her thesis for her a Masters degree. She mentioned she couldn't find a lot of her work after it updates and her little song vaio is really slow now.
She doesnt know what Windows 10 is but she just figured she would hit update because its a 'Microsoft Update'.
_sosneaky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need an internet ad campaign that mimics that 'no means no'.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People make jokes and laugh about this, but honestly I find this to be deeply distressing. Can't have control over your own computer anymore with Windows. It's insane.
josefbud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:54 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this shit isn't funny. After seeing the stuff people complain about on here, it's weird to me that so many people are joking about this.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slidin' into your OS like
Hobby_boy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If my computer did update to Windows 10 by itself, it would probably crash on startup anyway...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's happened to a lot of people actually
Toofpic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Win 10 is not heavier than 7, it's not about that. I like 10, I used it since closed preview. The problem is that MS doesn't care what people think or want. It's a good OS, but no OS is good enough to shove it down one's throat.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:10:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you reserve your copy you can't get windows 8 updates without downloading it so I'm assuming you had updates set to automatic? I didn't know this and just went to update Windows 8 and bam Windows 10 started downloading. I thought fuck it I'll install... didn't like it now back on 8.1
But yeh they force it on you hard it's ridiculous.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dont have win8, using win7 and everything has been turned off for over a year. Not recommended, just off. One of the first things I did when setting this computer up a year ago
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm but you did reserve a copy? Maybe they set a time and date when you reserve it without telling you and just start the download automatically.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually didnt reserve a copy, another reason why i am upset.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's messed up.
Rakurai_Amatsu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:10:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Open Regedit Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx Right Click on right hand window and select new "New" > Left click DWORD (32-bit) Value Enter Name as "DisableGwx" without quotes > Double click and enter value data: as 1 Press OK Restart PC
The_gaming_dino ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:47:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my friends on steam said the exact same thing happened to him.
What a dick move by Microsoft, at least ask the customers if they want to install the damn OS first.
Doktaplayer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:32:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a poorfag that pirates games more often then he buys them, this is my worst nightmare from hell due to the anti-privacy shit. I have a 5TB external harddrive sitting right next to me packed to the brim with games in case of a disaster like this so I can nuke the OS and go back to 8.1 or if I please 7.
When people's main focus on your OS is how to avoid it, you've fucked up
captainbatfleck ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:16:27 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL I was in a CS go match and my PC just straight up restarted and updated me to Windows 10 right in front of me...
batt3ryac1d1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you didn't post on csgo discussions VOLVO UNBAN ME!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol. Really bad that happened though.
Toprelemons ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:54:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Microsoft released a no nonsense version of windows 10 with no metro apps, none of that bs just a refined windows 7 to run x86 applications specifically designed for desktop, but no they come up with this bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt anyone would be nearly as against it if everything was opt in, rather than opt out. But Microsoft is simply no longer a trustworthy company, if they ever were.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, MS has always been evil in some form, they're the definition of terror in the PC world. :P At least you said "if they ever were" though. :P
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but how would they sell your telemetry to marketers? you pay them $80 ONCE, they get a LOT more than that from marketing firms.
_sosneaky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even about the telemetry (not mainly at least)
They're in it for pushing UWP, that is their main motive with windows 10
And it's much worse than selling your telemetry to ad companies (yes, even much worse than that)
svenska_aeroplan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:37 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 LTSB is like that, but I'm pretty sure it's only available for volume license customers.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is the best summery of what windows should be!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Toprelemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:02 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meh sometimes I have to go into settings and see the design inconsistencies, all that junk can go away really.
krzysd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Shit, I left my computer on for the past few days without using it...I think ill have to take a half day from work!
edit: it wasn't downloaded :)
fatherbrah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me. I did download 10, but I told it to upgrade in a few days at like 3AM. Woke up the next day and it was installed.
Vote_Subatai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to my SO the other day without her say so.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could get a sympathy card,
Sorry you had your OS violated <3
ZeroBeta1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is auto installing this now. I have it, not so bad just my audio drivers crashing
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:15:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not so bad but audio drivers keep crashing. Sounds great
ZeroBeta1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, hence not so bad. It was way worse first versions out
RedBeardedT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ZeroBeta1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:06:47 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, friend had that happen on same adapter. Its like win8 release support is spotty until 1-2yrs patch work.
Archion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to cancel your reservation. Even uninstalling the KBs is being overridden this week.
Fire2box ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was funny back then, but we didn't know it would be a real warning
JoXaV ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:45:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, NSFMR tag is omitted.
uzumachi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worst nightmare [*]
notWell69 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:25:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for your loss.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:44:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dont apologize for a greedy corporation that knows full well what they are doing.
Wave3D ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:48:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To OP, Sorry M$ attacked your computer while you slept, hope it turns out ok.
GrinningTrex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:11:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to my ma's work laptop i think she was using vista, No real loss there. Then a day latter it happened to my friend who was running windows 8 while we were playing black desert. It didnt even ask him it just shut his shit down and rammed windows 10 right in there.
_sosneaky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:02:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bite the pillow I'm going in dry
RainbowGoddamnDash ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
get da cracked copy of win7, son.
Still haven't gotten any alerts of windows 10 upgrades... at the cost of not getting standard security updates.
MeNotSanta ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:29:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
where you drunk last night OP?
Wave3D ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:34:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he got a OStd?
MeNotSanta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it just might be the case
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is why you should always have protection, it only takes a minute to use a clonedum.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it, I should have known that downloadable 3d babe had chronic win10teritis
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:23:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol I wish, with a 3 month old I get little time to drink or sleep anymore.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:02:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use something called GWX or something that blocks all windows 10 related stuff. It's nice. I reccomend it.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Edit: maybe it was called GwX control panel.
Chaoticm00n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:11:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two days ago I walked into my room with my computer automatically fully upgrading to Windows 10 without ever telling it to :(
imojo141 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:37:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reverted back to windows 7 today. Windows 10 had far too many crashes, too many freeze-ups. It's also, imo, far more geared towards unknowledgeable, inexperienced pc users. Obfuscating and burying things that more informed and familiar pc users frequently use.
Bedebao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just leave this wonderful tool here so it doesn't happen again...
ImGuatemalan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My hands are tied. It somehow ninja downloaded and now is forcing the update and all I can do is shut it down and restart to bide my time. A popup telling me to do it continues to reappear even when closing with SuperF4. This shit is aids
MaxPms ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is my batch file to fix this issue :
Echo this will uninstall all the updates in windows 7 and 8 so you wont get the M$ upgrade to windows 10 message. Please do not reboot until you see another message in this cmd prompt.
wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664
wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978
wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917
wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374
wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978
Echo Now reboot your computer and run windows update. Look for the following windows update numbers : kb2952664, kb:3035583, kb:2976978, kb3021917, kb3044374, kb2990214 and kb2976978. If any of them show up please right click on them and hide so they wont get installed. pause
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MetallicGray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me! I left to talk to some people and came back after about two hours and it said welcome to Windows 10 or whatever. I was flabbergasted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decline the EULA...It reverts back in about 5-10 minutes, much quicker than the download and installation
MarcsterS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turning off Auto Updates alone isn't enough. You have to manually remove the updates that added 10 features to 7 & 8, as well as removed the constant Win10 ads from the source.
pacificnwbro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When mine finally downloaded, it was when the ad popped up. I had been ignoring it for a while, and as usual I clicked remind me later. As soon as I did a window popped up that said "Downloading now!" I was so pissed.
spottedmilkslices ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:17 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, there was plenty of warning about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/44hzt0/psa_windows_7_will_apply_win_10_upgrade_as_an/ was posted about a month ago.
I had auto-update disabled as well and it still tried to do it for me without asking. I tried it out and for my 6 year old laptop, I have to admit, it's working out great. However, I don't want to do it on my main PC.
Keep in mind it's only DOWNLOADING not installing, you should still be able to make the choice of whether or not you want to install.
summ1else ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'm late to the party but I just walked over to my computer after it being idle for a couple of hours and caught it counting down to beginning the update. It had 1'30" left on it. I came here to rant and be pissed off.
Mekeji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't had a single update since they tried to push out the update to add in pop up ads for Win 10. I keep everything as far as updates off to ensure I don't get forced into 10. I will eventually change but for now I just don't trust it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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disintegore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:34 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they should have backed up their shit
if it hadn't be win10 it would have been something else
Swank_on_a_plank ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No out of the ordinary Windows 10 behavior for me, so I'm just not going to touch any of my settings and maybe my computer will forget all about the upgrade...
RiffyDivine2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can remove a few updates that got weird names and it stops the 10 update from downloading or being stored on your pc.
michaelbelgium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:51 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have windows 7, windows 10 became a recommended update sooo .. yeah.
SickleSandwich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's beginning to annoy me too. I reserved a spot for 10, and got it asap. I liked it in many ways, but there was one thing I just hated - the search bar. I use it for literally everything on 7, yet it just does not work on 10.
For example, searching for GM:Studio on 7 just requires me to type 'studio' and hit enter. However, literally nothing turned up on 10, and it just asked to check the web and store for it. No thanks, I'm searching my PC.
Only reason I backdated, but I couldn't stand it any longer. I despise the start menu on 10. If somebody can point me into a way to fix this, I'll re-upgrade.
EDIT: Thank you all for the links to various fixes. I'll keep my word, and re-upagrade to W10 over the weekend, and see how it goes :)
tvisforme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Shell?
SickleSandwich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for this, it looks interesting - can I ask if it just reskins the search bar, or actually provides a better search system? As stupid as that sounds, it's literally the only thing with 10 that is the deal breaker, and I can't fathom why it works so poorly for me.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
at this point its a crime calling it a start menu
found one, there are probably others. what you were looking for, brother?
SickleSandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This looks really interesting, thank you for linking this to me, brother. Between this and Classic shell another brother linked me, I'm actually considering going back, haha.
anfotero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Shell gave me back my Win 7 menu and a working, integrated search. Try it out :)
http://www.classicshell.net/
SickleSandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody just linked me this as well! Thank you, brother, I'm genuinely considering re-upgrading, haha.
starmag99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine did the same thing, I went to take a shower and when I got back my computer was running a completely different OS.
mixedupgaming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:56:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's terrifying
TheCrazyTiger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has happened to myself and my father. Both of our OS got completely broken. You can't access the Start Menu, Task Manager, os any properties. Nothing actually works. It takes 10minutes to go to a complete blue desktop background with a few icons showing and nothing opens.
I'm just not going back to Windows 7 again cause have to keep up with the softwares I need to work with.
I fucking hate Microsoft...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/LinuxMasterRace
Hexagonian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Took a week vacation on Christmas. When I got back to office after new year. Poof! Upgrading to Win 10 right after boot up, didn't even get to stop it. Whole morning of down time. Thank you MS /s
Now thinking about it some idiot might have turned on my PC when I was on leave
unstablejester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went from 7 to 10. Wasn't a fan on how much it controlled my system. Went back to 7. I am content now.
phusion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft added a Windows Update that A) fixes Internet Explorer B) forces Windows 10 on you.
I don't know why you guys aren't running it yet, like Windows 7, I've been running it since early betas and it's great.
XDCDrsatan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use windows 10 at home and on my work computer but for most of our clients Win 10 is not ready. and more so the software they need to do their job is not windows 10 ready. and the funny thing is this got pushed out to people that are on a domain. this was not supposed to happen.
phusion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JESUS! It's happening to domain machines!?? That's VERY bad... I meant for home use, it's a great gaming OS and the start menu is a good compromise of good vs old. I'm on my work machine now (hah!) and it's connected to a domain. No Win10 updates forced on me/us quite yet... of course I'm using WSUS for most of my machines.
NoobInGame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because whole Microsoft is infected with spyware and adware
phusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:57 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not hard to disable telemetry, but yeah, understandable.
NoobInGame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would agree if they didn't keep re-enabling them.
phusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:05 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? I'll have to check my services at home, I haven't heard of them enabling themselves yet.
NoobInGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:45 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure they have reset them at least once already.
Coffeechipmunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
W10 is really good, seriously.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:33 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 is really good as well.
goose214 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate a copy of Windows. It's not eligible ;)
manzanapocha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My pirated copies are always eligible.
bense ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why I stick with the Enterprise version of windows ;)
Huddy40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I disabled recommended windows updates on my 7 build when I heard Microsoft was pulling this BS. RIP feeling like your entirely in control of your PC.
greggosmith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other night my computer did the same to me, wasn't sure if I had clicked something on accident but I was still pretty stubbornly happy with my Windows 7.
I had just loaded into a League game and my computer shuts down and just upgrades itself. Felt so cold...and used..and alone..and helpless to this onslaught. So I went to get some halal food while it ruined me.
Gamer365365 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
inb4 LINUX
APock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:05:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upgraded to windows 10, took 20 minutes. Have had 0 issues.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I moved to Windows 10, but only because my prebuilt (I know, please don't pitchfork me) came with Windows 8. If I had Windows 7, I certainly wouldn't update until absolutely necessary.
sleeplessone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I updated just for the better Powershell support.
manzanapocha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine that, while you're asleep, someone breaks into your house and swaps your nvidia gpu with an slightly better AMD one.
You were used to geforce experience and you never had any trouble while using your nvidia card, but now you have to use the AMD gpu. You feel like your PC was violated because you didn't consent to any of this.
Soon, you find out you weren't the only one. The exact same thing is happening to millions of users, and many of them are voluntarily accepting the change. "Okay, if they want the change, they should get it, but I didn't ask for this", you say.
And in the middle of the outrage, some fucking idiot chimes in and says "upgraded to the AMD gpu, took 20 minutes. Have had 0 issues". You're that guy right now.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a bit of a difference between breaking into my house, and updating my OS man. You're being irrational. Why are people so afraid of change? Lots of good reasons to update, and lots of benefits to all of us if MS can do a better job of getting everyone on the same OS version.
You know that guy who freaks the fuck out about nothing? You're that guy right now.
BigPointyTeeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to one of my laptops as well last night. I hadn't used that laptop for close to 2 weeks and I left it on last night by mistake and boom. Windows 10 this morning without a warning. I didn't even bother reserving a copy.
Fucking microsoft man... doubt that laptop can handle win10, it barely handled win7.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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yurf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aims but misses the target. Any computer older than 2 years running 10 gets about a 3 minute boot up time and it's very common for 10 to give you massive OS corruption.
ArchiMarK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can testify to this. The complete registry was f*cked after upgrading. Nothing worked: boot repair, reinstall of 10, ... The only thing that worked was to nuke the system and go back to a virgin Win 7 install.
patrizl001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They auto-scheduled the update. Luckily I got a note about it and was able to end the schedule a few days before.
jedijosh920 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My PC tried upgrading last night to Windows 10, luckily I checked my Windows Update queue before shutting down and saw "Windows 10 Home Premium" upgrade and stopped it. I tried hiding the update but it reshowed! I downloaded GWX Control Panel and disabled all Windows 10 "Get Windows 10" icons and updates and it showed that it was downloaded to my system without my knowledge. Fuck you Microsoft.
JonJonesCrackDealer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm never upgrading from Windows 7. I'm holding on to it as long as I can like i did WinXP. If games start requiring Win10 they better be good because there hasn't been a good game out since mid 2000's
_sosneaky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:33:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to turn off recommended updates OP , microsoft is abusing them to force their windows 10 'upgrade' down your throat.
Tdawg90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't bother reading through the comments to see if this has been posted already (assuming its upgrading from Win7 or Win8
There's a KB to uninstall (too lazy to look it up)
And then install this https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
zantax28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you have your computer set to install "Important updates" automagically I could see this happening. I hate it but I can understand it.
Mr___Roboto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SERIOUS QUESTION.... I have my win8.1 OS backed up. If this happens (I have all updates settings turned off, just like OP's.) can I just mount my backed up OS and do a re-back up to continue having my Win8.1 forever? Also, I built my own pc does an win8.1 Built version different than OEM in this circumstances?
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should look at disabling GWX as well.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and do a restore, yeah.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Despite upgrading against your will, can't you roll back to 7 or 8 and go back to 10 anytime after you initially upgrade?
Wave3D ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people have had problems with both the upgrade and the roll back systems.
Anything as seriously invasive as a OS upgrade can be destructive.
NickMotionless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got auto-upgraded and rolled back and my drivers were broken as fuck. Had to clean install and lost a ton of customization on my Windows 7 install that I had for a year. Ticks me off badly.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
for 1 month, idk how well it works though
DarkAvengerX7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:26 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Owned.
Asunen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is why I disabled automatic upgrades about a month and a half ago.
Necrogaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has awakened....
GucciLemonade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you will be dragged down with us
logoster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what's even worse is i've personally had to uninstall the update that installs GWX multiple times, as for some reason microsoft keeps overriding my HIDDEN UPDATES, and unhides it, then installs it
i think its happened about 3 times now
seriously microsoft, if i don't want your new OS, then stop fucking forcing it on me (i already have it as part of my quad boot, i don't need all 3 windows os's being windows 10 (the 4th OS is ubuntu))
tankxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This might get buried in the comments....but I've been really debating on updating to Windows 10. Is there some tips, tutorials, tricks, FAQs, anything along that line before I do it?
Degru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:35 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, just do the upgrade. You may want to do a full reset or a fresh install after upgrading if you encounter issues or want a clean system. Also, if you aren't doing a reset or clean install afterwards, make sure to go to Disk Cleanup, click on the System Files option, and delete the old Windows files after you're sure that you don't want to downgrade back again.
manzanapocha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:53 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, get used to the idea that your computer is no longer yours and obey the system. Thank Microsoft for the spying and remember: you're not the boss anymore.
If you don't want it to be that way, then prepare to download a bunch of third-party tools to disable a ton of intrusive shit that is enabled by default.
GueroCabron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I decided that I didnt want this sort of surprise. So I actually hit the download button. Nothing... The button to initiate the download they are forcing down everyones throat didnt work.
Not sure how comfortable that makes me feel about the OS...
Degru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually wanted to upgrade, but the GWX thing wouldn't even show up.
Using the media creation tool works fine, though.
Austen98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GOTCHA!
TheOneWithThoughts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GWX Control Panel is your friend. Have used it on multiple computers running 8.1, never again had to deal with the stupid Win10 update crap.
sunkzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This might help
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to me too!!!
ShadowSpectreElite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this and then windows informed me that it was going to upgrade to windows 10 in an hour. Cancelled that shit.
Alexanderdaawesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me 3 days ago. biggest regret is the lack of karma
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i came home and when i booted up my laptop from sleep mode it had a window on my screen with a scheduled time all in place for it to auto update with a small box under it telling me to click here to change the scheduled time... shit is really getting out of hand.
twdwasokay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:12 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was just me. My computer randomly shut off last night and began updating. I was so sad because I was in the middle of working.
Heavyoak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CANCEL IT!!!
TerraMerra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good thing is that my internet connection is so slow it will never be downloading win10.
SciNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You have been assimilated
www.imgur.com/ZV2m4Ig
phyK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I'm seriously wondering at this point if I somehow turned updates off. I've had Win10 since release and NEVER had a problem like this.
lonelylunar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:59 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a win10 update, it's a win10 upgrade so OP doesn't have win10 yet and woke up to his pc upgrading itself.
phyK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok. I've just seen so many posts about unwanted win10 updates which I never experienced, so I just assumed it was another one of those.
lightningstrike46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow this must be a nightmare to wake up to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:54 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep summer safe?
Rakurai_Amatsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:29 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is sort of registry hack you can do if you want it send me a message and I can give you the command or batch file to run to disable it. Will also disable the notification
pelvicmomentum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:56 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was another recommended update a couple weeks ago that causes this. We're up to at least three now.
Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:02 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Want to trade? My 7 installation's WUpdate is corrupt and I lost my disk, so I'm stuck on 7 when I want 10 pretty badly.
RedBeardedT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:47 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trying that now, but I have the suspicion that it won't work. My windows updater is completely broken to the point where I can't even use plug and play features because it relies on windows update to go get the drivers. I had to manually download the drivers for a generic ethernet cable the other month. I'd upgrade, even if it meant wiping everything, but I just don't think it's going to let me. Media creation tool is working and my fingers are crossed.
Syeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid to boot up my laptop now. I haven't used it in a few days.
Archeval ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you didn't turn off recommended updates
Travlow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is a TCP connection of some sort.
Banshee109 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. From what ive seen, by reserving your copy you gave them right to do this. I saw it written/typed somewhere the other day :/ its shitty small print that noone will read but yeah... Microsoft :( y u do dis
Darksider123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you downgrade`?
RiffyDivine2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:56 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For one month after the update, yes.
Cory_Wade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:21:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to me too but i was in a league game when it started. Im not running Windows 10 against my will.
koicel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:54 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either you postponed the download date by mistake, or you didn't unchecked the box when running Windows update. However, you should be able to rollback to Windows 7, option which is being available for 1 month
vashlion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats!!!
andrew946 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:56 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
something like this happend to me yesterday. Computer shut down and went proceding updating to win 10 :c
Chonkway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Updates are like bacteria, they constantly evolve. There is no stopping them, doing so just makes them stronger.
disintegore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:51 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hey, many forms of bacteria are vital to human life. but some are definitely harmful.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure fire fixes all bacterias
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It had been announced they planned to force users to upgrade, you had to block a few win7/8 upgrades to keep 10 from downloading.
Jokershigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen this before. Is it because I check for my updates regularly?
Vargkungen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You made me immediately go and double-check my update settings.
Phew.
Got a bunch of recommended/important ones, but you're not fooling me, Microsoft.
Jacob_exe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It appears /u/Xopo1 has not been enlightened on the benefits of privacy free computing.
Conform or conform, that's the Microsoft way
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That feeling when you can't remote in to your home PC when you wonder if it updated or crashed or the net is out...
jereddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THE BASTARDS, I KNOW THEY'RE COMING FOR ME NEXT
tetsballer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:44 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
girl at work just kept closing the window with the countdown timer and wonders why her pc restarted and installed 10, so glad I only have to work here for another week...
bluemonkey1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rekt
The_Better_Avenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:31 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is still windows 7 it is still good really really good.
zushiba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once again pirates get away with a better operating experience. Though usually this isn't the case with Operating systems.
lv426a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:34 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What microsoft has done it to trick you
CreideikiVAX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KB2952664 and KB3035583, both of which are part of the Get Windows 10 fuckery have been, yet again rereleased, so even if you've told them to kindly fuck all the way off before (by unselecting and hiding them in Windows Update) they're back. Again.
For the hundredth (not actually, but I've lost count) time.
BallinBalgruuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:47 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly is the massive issue with windows 10? I love it personally.
josefbud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wait... this happened to our point of sale at work and I blamed our company idiot even though he swears he didn't do it..... Fuck. I didn't think this was even possible....
Well this is going to be an awkward apology.
TheyAreAllTakennn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:02 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened with me for Windows 8.1. It's freaking infuriating! I was constantly bugged to upgrade but I kept saying no for obvious reasons until finally it said "In 4 hours your computer will shut down and upgrade to windows 8.1". It then proceeded to ask me for the key to my OS which I wouldn't have even if I didn't buy the thing off of someone else.
So now I'm stuck with an os that reminds me to "activate windows" every 4 hours by forcing an entirely new window open that I have to close out of over the course of about 10 seconds because if I close out too soon it will force itself open again until it's fully loaded by which time I've already died in csgo.
I don't see how this is legal to be perfectly honest, I bought a product, so that product should stay the way it is. It's like me buying a book, and then the person who sold me that book can turn the book into a 4 hour time bomb at a moments notice and have it blow up in my face.
Wafflesco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:54 on March 27, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I must be the only person that likes windows 10... Free update to a fast reliable OS. It would only bother me if it broke something but it's only solved issues I used to have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare to reinstall a fresh copy of W10 because the upgraded one if often buggy.
jcw99 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you know you can revert right?
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't count on it!
Edit: back up your data before you revert or upgrade, always!
D3FAULT3D ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Stop fearing the future. Win10 is great.
Let the down votes commence.
tehkier ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually so confused as to why people are resisting the update. It's free, loads in a tonne of new features, is more secure and efficient. I just don't get it, why turn it down in the first place?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:38:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fire2box ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:25:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what game's exactly?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:37 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fire2box ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:45:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
could the GFWL one's be related to that service being from IIRC closed? Also from what I recall a few games striped out GFWL support and switched to stuff like Steamworks or simply removed GFWL. I also never had issues with GTA 5 running on windows 10 for me. I can understand "Hit and Run" having compatibility issues though.
cerebralcow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:35:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly because of Micosoft's history with bad OS launches and bad OSs in general. The first year on a new windows version is usually pretty buggy.
Fire2box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
today when I got up my computer (windows 10 already) was already awake. Now for whatever reason my coustom PC done this trough win 7, win 8.1 and now Win 10. however, when I moved my mouse to put it back into sleep mode. There was like a 3x3 inch block of Chinese looking letters. I still managed to turn my PC back to sleep mode, but when I came back latter on it looked exactly like it did when I was installing windows 10 on my PC.
thankfully it wasn't a reformat and everything is the same. Guess it was just a "big" update. Kinda freaky though.
ArchiMarK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:21 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Automatic updates combined with MS setting the Win 10 upgrade as "recommended".We'll be seeing a lot of these in the coming weeks with people not turning off their auto updates.EDIT: Never mind, wrote the above before OP put in the extra info.
No idea, but if you don't want Win 10 you should be able to downgrade again. Sorry for your frustration.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:28:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they were off thats the thing I have always had them off, I understand how to update my self and how to find essential updates. Yet i went in and they were all turned on.
Iv had this computer for a year and never had them on. :(
I did I reverted but it took its sweet fucking time this morning.
ArchiMarK ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:37:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you, man.
The laptop (pretty old though) of a colleague did the same thing except that the upgrade went horribly wrong. Boot loop, corrupted files and whatnot. Ended up having to nuke the system and put the old Win 7 back on it.
It's due to shit like this I've grown pretty anti-Microsoft as of late. Changing an OS is not just like updating a program. Pushing this whole Win 10 thing as they are, is very anti-consumer behaviour. I was considering doing the upgrade when it first came out, but with them pushing this thing so aggressively, they can shove it up their *ss now as far as I'm concerned.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:40:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right! I love win7 and love the stability of it. I was going to upgrade much later but turning on my auto updates and trying to force this on me is crazy.
I wish I had endless amounts of money to throw at developers and Triple AAA companies to support Linux
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it takes a LOT of work to make windows 8 look great in comparison.
carnizzle ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:42:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
win 10 is awesome, but that is shitty also every time you do a selected update it will probably reset to auto for your convenience in future.
ArchiMarK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, Windows 10 can be the second coming of Christ and I still will avoid it like the plague. If MS would have been more relaxed about it, I might have upgraded at least one device by now...
It's the constant bugging, abusing their update system and the general "we know what's best for you so you better listen" attitude that has completely turned me off. And this seems to be the new directions MS has decided to go. They have been putting out Win 10 exclusive games for fck's sake. Not to mention all the crp that is enabled by default in Win 10. MS is abusing the not-tech-savvyness of a large part of their consumer base to do what the heck they want and tons of people just go with it.
So in short, as good as Win 10 may be (and it really isn't from what I've seen), it stands for a lot of things I just can't accept as a consumer.
abuttandahalf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me glad that I run linux.
themonk82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this technically rape?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of your storage drive, yeah. :P
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:49 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great day to download Linux.
d3athsd00r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New IE update
pcbuilder1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stuff of nightmares :o
twitchosx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit Windows crap is why I installed Linux Mint at home on my laptop. Runs SO MUCH better now without Windows on that machine. Fuck I hate windows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you check if your Linux Mint was one of the hacked copies though from the hack the website had on Feburary 20 until March 1st? (it's a guess, since that's when the final update about the mess happened on the blog)
twitchosx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:22:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I didn't. Is there still a way to check? And what does it mean that it's "hacked"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was malware in some Linux Mint ISOs at that time due to a hacker hacking into the website. I guess that's what they get for using http and wordpress. You can always use the Live usb you used and use dd to turn its files into an iso that you can then verify with an hash sum check. Recommend doing it with another computer without Linux Mint, just in case the malware interferes with the sum check.
twitchosx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does the malware do?
kajirye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It creates a backdoor in the system. http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994 if you want to know more
twitchosx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:53:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I just plugged in the USB thumbdrive I installed from and most of the files on there say 3/2/2016 so I think I'm clear.
Trimmball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:34 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just do it man I like it so much more to 7
uhdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:58 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this happened to me but it froze during install and now it won't log in so I had to re install 7 and lost ask my stuff.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That hurts, and the fact that you need to fight to stop it from happening again.
atworkthre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me worry now, I'm still running windows 7 on my rig and have all updates turned off completely, they better not do this shit to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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donpedrox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whats wrong with the distro you tired?
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
probably games. that's 99% of the worst stuff about it.
donpedrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't a valid complaint I think. If a person wants a gaming PC it makes sense to install the OS with the most support. If a person wants a competent OS with control over pretty much everything then install a flavor of linux they prefer.
frag971 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple. Lots of issues: games outright not supported, drivers don't exist, i have to use DOS commands (what is this, 1995?), etc...
Windows 10 "just works" with almost everything. Was some time ago, did things improve since?
donpedrox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you several steam games as well as DRM free games work with ubuntu. I've had more driver issues with Windows than with linux, hell my wifi adapter worked out of the box on Linux Mint with no need to download any drivers because they were already there on a clean install. I'm assuming by DOS commands you mean the Terminal and CLI interface on some stuff. While not necessary as you can mostly use stuff with the GUI the CLI give you the most control over your system, but certainly is not necessary to use but highly recommend that you learn how to use it.
Oinkidoinkidoink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Resistance is futile!
WesBur13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:32 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At work our server and POS terminals all updated to windows 10 and fucked up everything. Was down for 2 hours
holololololden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me 2 days ago. Really wasn't looking for a forced upgrade. Is there a way to reverse it?
DANNYonPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they love to bruteforce you the shit.
#totallynosecretagenda
#KeepOffMyTinfoilHat
NakedCapitalist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just go to Recovery and revert back to previous windows version. Takes like 5 minutes.
Netprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So 2 days ago I canceled an install and to not remind me again. Guess what happened this morning? Yes. Again but this time with no opt. out. Had to just close the dialogue box. Its really starting to piss me off leave me the fuck alone. ( I am getting ready to move all my PCs to Ubuntu)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you go Ubuntu, avoid the 15.10 releases for the most part, unless you're using Ubuntu Gnome, since I've heard about bugs in those releases. 14.04 in general is a better option anyways, though I admit I had problems with that distro myself. :/ I recommend for the most part to wait until 16.04 LTS's release, which is next month.
Netprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the heads up!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did I get downvoted? Is it because of me dissing most versions of 15.10, and poking a bit at 14.04 because my issues with it? You probably didn't do it yourself though.
Netprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't me dude. I just checked to make sure sure I didn't swipe it by mistake. Beside, life is to short to worry about vote counts by trolls on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:35 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. :P
ROFLicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It asked you to upgrade and you clicked "Later" instead of exiting.
kingcolex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To the Linux windows fight I have two words! Dual boot.
Use Linux as main OS and switch to Windows to any unsupported games.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:48 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Duel Boot? Gedit? Got the other part too? :P
bastardbones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:30 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm literally worried about booting up my windows 7 machine now. I have so many drivers that are not Windows 10 compatible because of older music hardware, but despite my best efforts, my system just keeps on trying to deploy Windows 10, which will break half my programs.
Why do Microsoft feel the need to enforce an optional upgrade this way?
shark-bite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:06 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I have a "less than legitimate" copy of Windows 7, how do I get the upgrade to 10? Is it still possible? It gets to the install section and tells me my OS is not genuine...
Laser_Lens_4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
download beta 5 and use the EZ activator option to activate Windows 10
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:57 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shoulda deleted and disabled the GWX update
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:28:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Icedrive ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*the coincidence
JonnyPing ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is fine. Really don't understand why people haven't upgraded for free yet anyway.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if they have programs that only run on 7, I guess I get that.
But I'm sure it is the just the anti-M$ stigma kicking in. 10 is an all around better OS than 7/8/8.1.
Super easy to get rid of all the spying stuff and you are good to go.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly I have a few programs from work that when I work from home do not support windows 10. Also I know I can disable all that stuff but honestly you should have to disable a bunch of shit on your OS. If you want it you should only have to enable it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:17 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I guess I agree. You shouldn't have to disable the spying stuff. But I'm not going to miss out on DX12 for that.
Us enthusiasts know better.
notinecrafter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
notwitty_username: "Super easy to get rid of all the spying stuff"
notwitty_username: doesn't show how to do get rid of all the spying stuff
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Got em. Some user mentioned some program that I used a while back.
It's in this thread.
Edit: http://bgr.com/2015/08/14/windows-10-spying-prevention-privacy-tools/
Here is a handy list of them for you.
unknownhero96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:11 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finally, a sane person in this sub
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I understand the rustling against Microsoft. I really enjoy W10 though. Plus, I don't want to miss out on DX12. I find it ridiculous people are so adamant about hating Microsoft that they would miss out on DX12. Or at least upgrading for free.
Pretty dumb imo.
inb4 "MICRO$OFT $HILL"
unknownhero96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the people rage so hard about "microsoft spying on us" or raging about the "unusable" W10, that they don't realize that the other OS of all the other companies all did the same for years. Microsoft just gave us the opportunity to opt-out of most of the"spying" things
Zerran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Console are fine, really. Don't understand why people buy graphics cards instead of spending the same money on an xbox.
brainless comments.
ConfusingDalek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:31 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, let's say that you love cheeseburgers, and eat one every day! But suddenly, as you are walking down the road, a man in an alley tries to force a cheeseburger covered in mold , insects, and a tracking device down your throat. I don't think that you would love that cheeseburger in that moment, right?
lolfactor1000 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is the main consensus as to why people don't like windows 10? I get that you don't want the update forced on you, but what are the real reasons?
noobienoob890 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:50:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want Windows 10 because I already have compatibility issues on Windows 8, it would probably be worse on Windows 10.
Wave3D ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It applies the lotion or it gets the hose again!
Wave3D ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:44:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It is full of ads & spyware.
I hate the interface as they attempted to make it tablet like.
Edit: This is only the tip of the iceberg. The windows store and win-RT with only M$ apps....(I have a client that can't use FireFox because it was win-RT)
tojal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:38 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are wildly misinformed.. There are no ads, spyware is no worse than any other software you are currently using (and you can turn it off, it's like the first thing the setup asks you for), Windows store is optional (I have never used it), WinRT is for ARM processors, and I have no clue what you are talking about "Only M$ apps".
That is because you are trying to use a x86-64 program on an ARM processor. Microsoft has long had plans about making Win32 obsolete, because it's old-fashioned, so they saw an opportunity to create a completely new, modern API. Unfortunately, very few people bought any ARM devices with Windows installed, so it didn't really catch on.
Again, Windows 10 is not WinRT. WinRT is not compatible with your AMD64 instruction set.
marker_sniffer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:42 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are many ads, just off the top of my head, Candy Crush Saga and Office 365 ads are installed on your machine and have to be uninstalled just to get rid of the ad. There are more, I just can't think of them.
It's definitely not tablet-like though. I enjoy it quite a bit. /u/Wave3D is quite uninformed.
tojal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me, you're right... I haven't noticed that before. Twitter, Candy Crush and Minecraft
tehkier ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but they're not super intrusive! And all you have to do is tell the Store app and Start Menu to not display ads, and then they're literally gone for good. I haven't seen an ad anywhere on my system since I upgraded.
manzanapocha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:44:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit are you reading yourself??? When did it become acceptable to put ads into an OS in the first place?
What about the BUILT-IN apps asking for a rating on the Windows store? "Oh you just have to go to the settings and disable windows feedback".
One drive being forced and enabled by default? "Just don't use it?"
Smells like fucking peasant in here.
tehkier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a free OS right now. How are ads not acceptable?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:28 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand what an 'ad' is. Candy Crush might be bundled with the software, but it is not an advertisement. No, don't try to argue for it, it's just false.
marker_sniffer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Obviously you have not seen it then. It's not the game. It's an ad which will take you to get the game in the store. JFC lrn2win10
edit: for those that don't know....when you install Win10, on your Start menu you will see "Candy Crush Saga", "Office 365" and many other apps which are not installed. They are a forced advertisement that when clicked on, take you to the store to purchase/download. If you right-click the ad, you'll see 'Uninstall'....yes, uninstall the ad, not the game/app because it is not installed.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just please agree that this is no where near what people blow it up to be? Fine, it's an advertisement, but, for crying out loud, it's not as bad as most people present it. I can't even find proper examples of this when I try to search for them. Only things I find are the start menu suggestions, and articles that seem to consider this the end of Microsoft. I don't get it. I just don't. Sorry for whoever is offended by that.
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:15 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're not using windows. 8 even had it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tablet like? How is that any different from 8/8.1? The UI is even more usable compared to those two now that they brought back the start menu.
Wave3D ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes window 8 was truly bad.
Windows 10 is less worse.
Windows 7 is good.
Ludwig_Van_Gogh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 8 UI is the problem, of course it's not different, that's the problem.
lolfactor1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:20 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They made the interface less tablet like though. To me it became just an updated windows 7 UI.
Wave3D ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:15:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With ads, spyware, and the promise of more to come with the windows store.
canofpotatoes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:19 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never seen an ad, no spyware, looks nothing like a tablet. If you can show me where these things are I would love to see them.
Wave3D ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try google "win 10 ads"
Or in your case Bing
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nice insult. Could you be a little more mature? Also, if I'm running windows 10, and it apparently has ads, why should I have to go to a search engine to see the ads, when you claim they're on my OS?
EDIT: To entertain you, I went ahead and searched for Win 10 Ads on both the Bing and Google searchengines; Really, the 3 photos I found only displayed suggested applications, from the store in your list of apps. You can disable that by simply right-clicking, opening the menu and unchecking whether or not you want Windows to show suggestions - That suggestion is not an advertisement. You have no idea where the line is drawn, and you're spewing bullshit based on practically nothing.
So I'll help you a little:
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is funny when a product like Bing is so bad it becomes and insult.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:21 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really know - I never really search for anything obscene or hard-to-find. Bing gets me by. I at least mind Microsoft having my search history less than Google having it. It's pretty useless whenever I need to search for anything within my country. I use Bing pretty happily. In the end, I can't search for anything without leaving a trail, so fuck it.
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some search engines such as DuckDuckGo that supposedly don't track you.
Also the tor system can beef that up a ton.
Kinda messed up when you have to pick the company you think is spying on you less or less evil....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate the enlightenment!
tehkier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:32:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First off, the ads can be disabled pretty much instantly. You click once or twice and then they're gone. For good. I haven't seen an ad on my system since installation.
Secondly, take off your tinfoil hat, Microsoft isn't trying to kill you. There's no spyware by any malicious standards.
And lastly... It's still a Windows OS, you can run anything you could from other operating systems. No one is forcing you to use MS store apps.
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:06 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not suffer from the ADs, or spyware in the base windows OS, or the windows store, or forced upgrades, or the awful UI design of windows 8/10...
But I have to spend time fighting my OS, that is the issue along with the fact that M$ thinks any of this is ok.
deathmonger87 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:05 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The spying stuff is easy to disable, so I don't see what the big deal is. With that said, if Vulkan becomes widely adopted, I'll be switching to a Linux distro...
Wave3D ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:52:53 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easy for you and me not for everyone.
If I buy a car I don't expect to need to disable the spy system.
drgrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me its the closed architecture of UWA and the system as a whole, and the fact that it will make my laptop unusable due to it not supporting the wireless card that i have.
Nayphun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:43:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is as good a time as any to move to linux...
Tartaruga_Genial ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:04 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I understand MS aproach to this. It's proven that w10 is better than all of the other OS. And many problems come from people who don't update... The only problem i see is software probably not being compatible. But don't understand all the hate. Can someone explain?
Wave3D ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:10:18 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Win 10 is not better, I love(ed) windows why would I not upgrade to a free new version of windows?
M$ has built a system I don't care for and has lost my trust with ADs, spyware, forced updates, M$ app store, win-RT only running app store, the metro phase.........
Tartaruga_Genial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:47 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they can do as they wish and the community give feedback, yep and the sales of win 8/10 show it, along with the win phone, win-RT....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to believe the OS displays advertisements, and is by some fashion 'freemium'. It's not, and it doesn't. The start menu may sometimes have a list of programs labelled 'suggestions'. They are not intrusive, and can be disabled with a simple uncheck inside the personalization options.
Secondly, they seem to think the OS has spyware - It doesn't have any more spyware than their current OS'es do. (Win7 / Win8 / Win8.1)
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes its because the 2 most important work applications I use are both not compatible. If I lost those programs or the files associated with them. It would be bad lol. Also the stigma with windows10 is the amount of adware,spyware, and bloat applications they forced on the OS. Yes you can disable all of it, but honestly should shouldn't have to disable anything when you get a fresh new OS. Maybe recommend enabling that why the unaware consumer will do or average user.
Fire2box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as a windows 10 user who upgraded from 8.1, there are a number of po-up ad's with annyoiTRYOFFICE365FREEFOR___DAYSng sounds.
yeah, that's kinda what it's like. you're in the middle of something and boom, ad.
kajirye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:20 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had that happen to me. wonder why that happens for you.
Tartaruga_Genial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:50 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That never happened to me.
GigerAesthetic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:23 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people against getting the latest and greatest for free?
legayredditmodditors ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:56:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize windows 7 was free now, sign me up!
Zerran ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:23:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what? why are you making an off topic comment? The topic of this post is windows 10.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get it. ;)
jub672 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Latest isn't the greatest
Gamerologists ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause some like 8.1 or 7 and don't want to change
GigerAesthetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:10 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody actually enjoys using 8.1
Gamerologists ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there are people who do.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:01 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before Windows 10 came out, I liked it more than Windows 7 - I never had any complaints towards Windows 7, that always worked fine. But in all dear honesty, a little change is exciting to me. I get what you're saying, but saying nobody enjoyed Windows 8.1 is flat out wrong.
Windows 8 was pretty terrible, though. Quite confusing and annoying layout.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is what happens when you all worship your MS overlords, While I'm sitting here with my Linux install, sure it ain't perfect, and it's an OCD freak's nightmare at times, but much better than having Win 10 injected into your butthole while not watching.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're quite an unsympathetic asshole, aren't you? Nothing wrong in that, but you better be aware of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:00 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you are doing that by giving them money to use this crap. I know everybody's fapping to DX 12, but I just look at it and I think it's all stupid, especially when DX 12 won't work on anything else but Windows 10 in some form. Also you're not forced to go Windows, unless you got an AMD card or really that obsessed with playing ALL your games.
NihilMomentum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:26:09 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what Richard Stallman talks about, either the users control the program or the program control the users.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swSn7d_kHQA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eginMQBWII4
OfficerNice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:27:55 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My condolences.
crazybmanp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:40:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its free, its better, just do it
unknownhero96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:39 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, because it is better than the one you had before?
Gibborim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:25 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:44:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, why would you skip on 8.1? That's like godsend when you're coming from Win.8
Gibborim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, I did not trust a large update to Windows 8 to not completely fuck my laptop. Turned out that I was correct.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
lurkahol ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:15:42 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most innovative OS I've used in years.
hitch_united ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not upgrade? Windows 10 is great, at least for me it is.
zero_poison ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:14 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isnt really practical for (soms) guys that are really in computers
nohmi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:09 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats, you've got the best Windows and latest OS for free. No need to join the hate circle jerk.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:18:13 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well expect OP didn't want it in the first place.
disintegore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but it's like so good dude
fuck OP and his free will it's that good
RiffyDivine2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:23 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does run better, I used to and rolled back. I do security work and seeing everything 10 does in about eight hours was enough to make me nope the hell out of it. If MS just said here is what we are collecting and this is what it's for I'd be a bit more willing but since they deflect or just ignore the question it says it's not for the betterment of the user.
nohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn straight
JaxMones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'll come install cameras in your house for free. when can i come
raz3rITA ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:27:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand all the fuss about Windows 10. It's way faster than Windows 7, especially if you have an SSD. Plus, it's free. And if you really care some much about privacy and stuff you can just disable those features and you're good to go. Plenty of guides here on /r/pcmasterrace.
disintegore ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:35:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's akin to playing whack-a-mole.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:38 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine if you don't understand it but people do hate it, the policy's MS is setting, the spying, the unknown data being sent out that will keep jumping IPs after you block them or even unblock them for you. Polling data without your permission, the ads on the lock screen, forcing driver updates even if they are broken, well let's just say there are a lot of issues and how much they matter change from person to person. Honestly if you are okay with social media you are likely okay with win10.
raz3rITA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:51 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ADS on lock screen? On which version may I ask? I am running Windows 10 Pro and I've never seen any ADS on my computer.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:39 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.howtogeek.com/243263/how-to-disable-ads-on-your-windows-10-lock-screen/
motogismybae ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:25:22 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just take the fucking update. 10 is an upgrade over 7.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't be forced though.
motogismybae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:10 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well considering that you need Windows 10 if you want any hope of DirectX 12+, its real silly to me that people on this particular forum are so against it.
It's not even a bad OS, it's a legitimate upgrade to 7. And people go on about "omg Microsoft spies on you", so does your iPhone, your Android phone, your Google account, just turn off tracking options and go.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:28 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everybody likes Windows. Some of us prefer other platforms, like Linux. Heck, some of us wish that Windows dies in a hole.
motogismybae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:32 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't use Windows. Run Mint or something.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:30 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am using Ubuntu Gnome. Does that count?
k_nasty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Replace "The Libyans" with "Microsoft"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:00:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let Fedora burn Win 10 to hell if you can't get Windows 7 back. :P
Natten ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:18:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks OP, I just checked my computer and it was set to automatically upgrade on the 14th.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:32:47 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Noob, turn off wsus service and set to disabled, turn on when you want to run updates, turn off when done
JTskulk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:18 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you lie with dogs you get fleas.
zkkaiser ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 09:00:01 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All you people hiding in fear of Windows 10 make me laugh.
Do you plan on running Window 7/8 in 10 years when literally no modern technology will function on it?
Is this like the new hipster thing to do? "I don't like Windows 10, everyone is using it and I don't like to conform. Plus, the updated interface.. and Cortana? ugh who wants an AI voice to talk to that will listen to your every command. So lame. DirectX 12? No thanks, I only play obscure shitty Indie games from 12 years ago you've probably never heard of it."
or
"omgawsh M$ is totally stealing all of my super sensitive super super secret information!!?!!11one they can never know that my reddit username is LUVSHUGEBLACKCOX how dare they know what apps im interested in"
Do you guys also use burner phones? Always use cash? Never stay in the same place for more than 2 nights?
God forbid M$ see that you searched "really fucked up tentacle pron" Who knows what they could possibly do with that information.
Seriously, get the fuck over yourselves. Install Windows 10.
EDIT: Also, it's fucking free.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since mint and other linux choices will be ready for gamer daily use by then, yes I plan to use it and jump to linux which is also fucking free. Just because something is free doesn't mean it has value or that you want it.
rodrigogirao ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:03:58 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I plan to have fully migrated to Linux by then.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't bother saying it, they likely won't even understand. I love mint even if it's linux training wheels
zkkaiser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:54 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's wishful thinking.
rodrigogirao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:42 on March 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, we have three computers here and I've already moved two to Linux. I dual-boot one with Windows for games and Adobe stuff, mostly... now I really should look into that KVM thing.
TheMrSolaris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:57:40 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I plan on using Windows 7 until M$ stops supporting it which after I am going Linux on all of my computers.
I don't like Windows 10 for a lot of reasons. None of the reasons that you mention though.
Why? Until I have a legit reason to go full retard with Windows 10, I won't.
It is not fucking free, you dribbling fucking moron. It is a upgrade that M$ offers for "free" until July 29th because they don't want another XP situation on their hands and after that you are paying your hard earned cash for the latest pile of shit out of Redmond.
zkkaiser ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 11:35:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whats stopping you now? If you plan on ditching Windows 7 anyway, why wait?
Didn't you just say you were switching to Linux?
Newest possible OS with latest technologies that will be the ONLY OS supported by M$. Who would want that. Don't think Windows is the one going full retard.
An entire year for anyone who is using practically any version of windows to upgrade to 10 for free. Meaning there is no additional charge. That means it wouldn't cost anything extra to use it, if you are already using a computer. That means that it does not cost you any money. That means it's free, you dribbling fucking moron.
But, I'm sure morons like yourself will end up bitching over the fact you had to pay for Windows 10 when everyone else got it for free.
TheMrSolaris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aside things like laziness and not in a rush? I don't mind waiting until M$ pulls the plug on supporting Windows 7.
Switching? My feeble minded friend, I have been using Linux and Windows for years.
Latest technologies? Such as what? I can think of only one game that has been built from the ground up for DX12 and it isn't Gears of Wars Ultimate Edition. I don't think you will see many DX12 games 2016 if I am honest and to me, Vulkan is more interesting as it is OS agnostic while DX12 is M$ only.
Free to me means always free. Not a limited time offer.
No, I will still be getting it for free even when the offers expires unfortunately.
Vargkungen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vulkan cannot come soon enough. The market has been needing something like it for decades. No more "this will not work with that" bullshit. It works with Vulkan, it'll work with everything.
Someone should've shot Microsoft in the face the second they came up with DirectX and made it theirs and only theirs and only Windows.
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:15 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No
Leavism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:24 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's simply because we don't want to, so get over it and let us not install Windows 10.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:29:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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mmaruda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:36:07 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because installing anything without the user's consent is the computer-world equivalent of rape. Kappa1
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:52 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like the IE update pushed out that sticks a upgrade to windows 10 up everytime you open a new tab?
TheMrSolaris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:16:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you do, Windows 10 still phones home.
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/08/windows-10-phones-home-even-after-privacy-hardening/
http://www.networkworld.com/article/3031740/microsoft-subnet/windows-10-generates-a-ton-of-network-traffic-even-with-maximum-privacy-settings.html
Now, ask yourself this if that isn't rather strange if you (the user) have set up the OS for maximum privacy and it still phones home? If that doesn't make you pause for a second and think what that actually means, you are frankly dumber than a second coat of paint.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:14 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are wasting time trying to get people to understand or think. Social media and the like have gotten people to just not give a shit about privacy or anything a company does so long as it doesn't cause any bumps in the road for them. You want to see windows 10 loose it's shit put yourself behind a locked down ASA and watch it fly through IPs trying to get out, that alone is kind of scary that it is setup to do anything to get out.
Arik_De_Frasia ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:32:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I just updated my rig the other day. It's really not as bad I've been led to believe. Plus if you don't like the UI you can download "classic shell" and it'll change the start menu and UI back to Win 7, 8 or vista (if that's your thing).
Edit: PCMR supposedly supports freedom of choice. Yet anyone that says they like Win 10 gets downvoted simply because YOU don't like it. Way to be judgmental fucknozzles guys. No the upgrade shouldn't be forced on us (obviously) but when you have a bunch of people telling you it's not as bad as you think, maybe you should at least fucking try it before you start lighting your torches. Stop acting like peasants with your OS loyalty. Because right now this thread is looking like the Xbox vs PS threads on IGN.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:19 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I didn't downvote anyone, and use Win10 (bias alert), it's very clear that most downvotes were tossed onto comments that completely disregard any concerns those who don't want to install have. And I agree, those comments are literally console peasantry levels of stupid. But a lot of these people need to get rid of their fucking tinfoil hats, too. There are no ads, and anyone who claims there are, is probably uninformed. There is no spyware - Unless you use Cortana, all Microsoft gathers is simple usage statistics - And yes, that's on Win 7 too.
LeafsAndJays ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 10:40:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is actually really good though
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:36 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has downsides to some people and they can be major ones depending on how much you like them polling data from your machine.
Delysidx25 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:50 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're going to love those automatically updates /s
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:52 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just bought a dell laptop as a replacement for my hp hot plate, came with windows 10
feels like they made bloatware an os fuck off with this shit
now to either install win7 or linux
calivino ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been running win 10 since October. Never had a problem and didn't take long to turn the privacy off. Its not bad just give it a chance
jesperbj ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 16:30:29 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a recommended update now.
Good news:
Dishevel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:21:31 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is the full essence of peasantry to profess to your brothers the joys of choice being taken from you.
Please stop.
jesperbj ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had recommended updates turned on. Microsoft recommends this update. They updated. Not to mention that - He has to say yes to upgrade still AND that he can easily roll back if he doesn't like it.
Dishevel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to point out that as a Systems Administrator for a transportation company I do not have to worry much. Have one system on 10 to test compatibility and have everything setup so that Microsoft can not fuck my systems.
That said.
For most users, install recommended is default on, they will not change it. No one would think that a recommended Update would include being forced onto an entire new system.
Update and Upgrade are different words for a reason. Microsoft is doing this purposefully. Their intent is to force people over as fast as possible. They want everyone on the new system as it gives them tons of data to monetize.
You go ahead though. Keep telling people it is fine. Go buy your games on the Windows store.
jesperbj ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Of course they want people on their newest platform. They have huge problems with so many people staying on their old OSes for way too long. Far beyond their support date. That's a major problem.
I don't see why it's a problem upgrading people - As long as it's a better experience (which is for me and all the people I've talked to (and I go to a techy school)) and free.
And thank you, I will buy games where I prefer, which I recommend everyone do. Note: I'm not for that their new games are exclusive. I'd love for them to be on Steam. But it's the exact same thing for well, Steam, Uplay and Origin. Not to mention the consoles.
Dishevel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:24:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I had no idea that Steam prevented people from releasing on other platforms. Would love to read the story.
Does Steam also prevent access to the game files on your computer?
Do they prevent modding, and support for a bunch of features?
Windows app store is not a good thing. It is not there to make your life better. We already know what they do. We can and should assume their behavior based on massive amount of history we have on them.
It is about control and leverage. Windows apps will work decently for what Microsoft wants to work. There will be "issues" with things that Microsoft does not want to work. Extend, Embrace, Extinguish
jesperbj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dishevel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Hiding the files in the system was simply because it was new?
This is not a mistake. It was the way they wanted it.
The features that do not work, do not fail to work because there is a store. It fails to work because Microsoft thought it would be a great idea to restrict as much assess to the files on the local machine as possible and still have it work. This is what causes the issues. They do want to find a way to make it work. But they want even more to make sure they have it as restricted as possible.
They are fucking you.
ZarianPrime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't bother arguing with them. Look at his posting history. I'm pretty sure he is a MS shill being paid to defend MS. Saw this crap all the time with old internet forms, I even knew a friend who told me she worked at a PR firm that was hired to do exactly this.
Mech9k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, sell your PC, and get consoles, you are a peasant with all the defending of console gaming antics being forced on PC.
jesperbj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:34 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice arguing there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:57 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Update != Upgrade
Wave3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they upgraded it to a critical update.
And no there is no guarantee of a easy roll back between operating systems, do you even computer?
DJChupa13 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:43 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...why is this bad?
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:54 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will be outside upgrading your car.
NickMotionless ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:01:44 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To have square wheels, no tint and a small camera above your back glass. We won't look at it, "we promise."โข
Wave3D ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are monitoring you for customer satisfaction, only, we will only sell your info to good people promise.
DJChupa13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:56 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet. Make sure to patch the shitty Bluetooth. Never works right.
XiRw ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:32 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No surprise the Linux cockroaches are here when this simple problem can be fixed in a multitude of ways including uninstalling the update. But I guess when you don't know anything about computing the simplest answer must be to change their OS.
-Funny how I am downvoted yet I am not wrong (:
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:08 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong, and I use Linux on my laptop for everyday use. I made the comment in regards to needing windows for 2 work applications and games. Also yes I could have loaded GWX, but honestly I have never had a issues when my settings say "check for updates but let me chose when to install"
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 16:27:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just upgrade to 10 ffs, it's better OS anyway, disable all updates / spying stuff and you're done. Never had a single issue with win 10 since preview copies.
AverageJohanson ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:57:28 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"disabled"
I'm sure that's true.
Mech9k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:36 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just sell your PC, you're a peasant FFS anyway.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:00 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give at least 3 reasons why I am a peasant.
Aleitheo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:16 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had problems with Win10 since the first day I upgraded, more than I've ever had with Win7.
I've only had Win10 for a week.
It's got some things better, it's got some problems too.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:40 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ONE OF US ONE OF US GOOBLE GOBBLE GOOBLE GOBBLE
JabARecCow ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:45 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just downloading, it won't install without consent
MintyChipp ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is Satan confirmed.
MochaMagic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:22 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you all you idiots complain about Windows 10? Microsoft wants you to move on, get over yourselves.
JaxMones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:07:34 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
should people not be allowed to use an OS they actually paid for?
MochaMagic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:40 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OH wow, you got a free upgrade to a superior OS, no matter what you're upgrading from. Get over it.
JaxMones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:04 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont want a free upgrade to trash. I'd rather downgrade to XP. Also, its free because they sell your information to add companies. Not that you care. You'd probably take it in the ass if you got a free light bulb
MochaMagic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:07 on March 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real mature mate, real mature. :) Oh well, enjoy, moron.
kissogram1 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:08 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro serius question, do u have a wife?
Wave3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:51 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You spelled that wrong it is Wi-Fi
kissogram1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:02 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If theres something wrong with my computer I know my wife messed with it
๐๏ธ Xopo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do, but she is a long time Mac heathen I just recently built her a rig for school. So she has no idea how to turn that shit back on let alone would do it.
kissogram1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:07 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recognize wifes handy work right away
Noobasdfjkl ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:03 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...It's Windows. What did you expect?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just fucking download it then. It's still newer and better than Windows 7. Linux guys keep going on about being "bleeding edge" and new, why can't Windows users do it too?
mizifih ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:26:41 on March 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Auto update FTW!
eXXaXion ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:10:05 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is anyone on here fighting windows 10? You need it for DX12, it's pretty good and if you aren't committing felonies on your computer the privacy issues don't matter. No one cares if you fap to hentai. Microsoft won't share your boring ass life with anyone.
JaxMones ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:21:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cause people dont like being forced. Would you perhaps like it if someone just came in and changed everything in your house to a bunch of shit that you dident want, + a few cameras to record your life (they wont share it with anyone ofc)
eXXaXion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:16 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Microsoft trying to force people to get Win 10 is bad alright. But Win 10 itself isn't bad at all, it's awesome, so why fight it?
JaxMones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:30 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
straight up spyware. But i guess you'd love cameras and mics in your house. After all, you're not doing anything illigal.
eXXaXion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:59 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That argument is so bad. Yeah you are right, Win 10 is the exact same as signing up for big brother. That's also why it's perfectly legal in every countryon this planet. Using Win 10 is like being Truman.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:51:04 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they have concerns, and while some are wearing tinfoil hats, others are legitimate concerns. Not every side to upgrading is positive, even if most people don't have those issues.
Only because Microsoft decided it should be that way, which is utter bullshit. Win10 isn't that different from Win8.1, except for appearance. The limitation is arbitrary, and completely uncalled for.
I'm sorry, I won't even bother to reply to that. Please do some research, you're clearly uninformed.
True, but you still probably don't know what you're talking about.
eXXaXion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:46 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah my argument about felonies was bad. It's just that people act like using Win 10 is like being Truman. Also yes, I only know a bit about the privacy issues but I know it's legal in my country and my government takes privacy very serious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:48 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it works for you, that's completely. No one's telling you that you have to be an activist and fight Microsoft - Those who do are quite possibly delusional. ยจBut please, don't ever use this weird argument that it's somehow okay for something to violate your rights - They exist for a reason.
eXXaXion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:25 on March 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does not violate your rights though. If it did, it would be illegal. Keep in mind, it's not just legal in the US, which is kinda iffy in privacy. Windows 10 is legal on the entire planet.
Which rights does it violate exactly? Please tell me, I wanna learn. Also, explain why it's legal even though it violates certain rights, which you will mention.