Full credit to /u/My_reddit_strawman for this comment, I'd sticky theirs but the only comments we can sticky are our own (and no, we don't get karma for stickied comments, so cool your jets, karmalawyers).
Don't opt out of testing, that makes it so that people that don't want it are ignored. Stay in testing, don't click on the ads, and dislike the show after the ad plays.
We need to do the opposite! Opt-in and make sure to ignore these new advertisements. Another user stated this below, Netflix is on record saying they will not listen to customer feedback. They are only looking at how people interact with it
And another one telling me that if I'm not a data scientist I can STFU. Ok well, if you explain that I'll update, Mr. Data Scientist. Otherwise, IDK, whatever, you guys can read thru this subthread if you care.
That's my understanding too. However, if there's enough pushback on the test ads, they might be forced to abandon the push to all subscribers, or ditch this program and find another way to promote stuff.
JX3D97 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:58:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
we all know what it means when theres an "opt out" of a "test"...
LOVE the Bunnicula books. My fave was The Celery Stalks At Midnight - but then Howliday Inn came out, and the poodle whose brain was addled by soap operas was too much... so I think it took the fave spot.
I'm guessing you did too?
We need to do the opposite! Opt-in and make sure to ignore these new advertisements. Another user stated this below, Netflix is on record saying they will not listen to customer feedback. They are only looking at how people interact with it
Netflix is on record saying they will not listen to customer feedback. They are only looking at how people interact with it
I'm pretty certain they'll listen to customer feedback if said feedback is your stated reason for cancelling your subscription after being served a single ad.
Don't want to do that en masse over just a few ads (even though you could re-subscribe later)?
Congratulations, it seems you DO tolerate a few ads.
Just about the only way I watch. The app for amazon fire freezes constantly, donโt save its place and will restart you 4 episodes back or completely restart the show/movie
I don't have any issues on my firestick or fire tv. Of all the streaming services, Netflix DOES have probably the best system for determining bandwidth and leveraging speed/quality. Is it possible you have something else going on like signal interference or a glitchy firestick?
We usually watch in thru our xbox on the tv. Occasionally we hook up the laptop to the tv to watch non-Canadian Netflix shows, but that's also technically on the tv(?). We used to watch straight on the laptop when we were younger and would cuddle in bed to Netflix and actually chill lol.
Beeeeecause that's why I have a TV for. And I can watch Netflix confrotably from my couch with my wife next to me?
I'm having a hard time even trying to comprehend your train of thought here.
TVs, phones so you can watch shows in the bus/train. Chromecast if your TV is not smart.. So many reasons why someone would not watch Netflix on a browser
Yeah, I'm sure the younger population, specially students and such might not have a TV... But the poster didn't make the claim that "some people watch it on browsers" he made a Jackie Chan wtf face about why would people not watch it on a browser considering is an "internet streaming service" I provided several cases (and I'm sure that most households have TVs). Actually I would argue that the fact that Netflix is extremely proactive in having update apps in every kind of TV and TV streaming device like Roku would say that most of their customers fall into that category.
Yea but Iโd say students probably make up half of Netflixโs user base
ktappe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because some of us don't want our computer screen taken up with the show? I own a 55 inch TV for a reason; to watch TV shows on. Why would I not watch TV shows on my TV??
Yeah I mean why would you ever watch netflix on a device that you carry with you almost 24/7. Can't think of any reason either. I'd rather watch it on my other device that's pretty much always at home and takes ages to start up.
I mean. Yeah. I watch tv primarily at home, so, the giant devices Iโve acquired for watching movies and tv are generally where I want to be able to do that.
ktappe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your TV takes ages to start up, you must have an ancient TV. Further, who's to say you can't watch it on all the devices? Why are you treating this like an either/or situation?
I don't have a TV, I meant my laptop. And I'm only responding to the poster above me. "Why would I watch Netflix on anything other than my internet browser." I thought it was kind of strange statement. There's quite a few good reasons. Of course I watch netflix on my laptop occasionally too. I also do use the app in that situation though.
I live on a budget. The size of my phone is fine, i just wish it wasn't a POS. And I only bring my tablet to and from work, not risking bringing that anywhere
I mean I have a computer connected to my TV, too, but I still use my Roku for Netflix. A remote is designed to be used on a sofa across the room, a keyboard and mouse are not. It's just easier.
Suttsy33 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:02:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't opt out of testing, that makes it so that people that don't want it are ignored. Stay in testing, don't click on the ads, and dislike the show after the ad plays.
Shows they are trying to promote will have lower ratings if enough people dislike fast enough, having the opposite effect. Although since they got rid of the rating and implemented a match system they could easily tamper with it
Haha yeah seems a little backwards, happens a lot on steam tho, sorta like they've sunk all this time and money into making an amazing show and it's not making them their money back because it's being boycotted for an unrelated reason? Well then they'll stop doing that unrelated thing
Edit: with regards to Netflix tho, they already have your money regardless of watching so won't have as big an impact? Not 100% on this but the best way to hit them would be to en mass unsubscribe, mines being cancelled tonight
Fmeson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are advertising Netflix originals because they need them to survive. Once other studios start pulling their IPs from Netflix, Netflix needs to have their own valuable IP to survive. They aren't going to stop producing originals no matter what.
Sleisl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A tech giant like Netflix will have trend monitoring on pretty much every metric including A/B Test opt-out rates. Iโm sure when the opt outs spike the Analytics department will be able to put two and two together...
Suttsy33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've already stated they won't listen to their customers, they'll listen to the efficacy of the ads.
vinfox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but people not liking the ads doesn't really matter if they serve their intended purpose.
Aw, I feel like I'm in /r/wholesomememes :)
Seriously though, your appreciation is appreciated. Usually modding is just about getting yelled at, so nice feedback is a breath of fresh air. I only started modding because I love this sub and hate reposts & shittiness (& have a boring job). There are def bad mods, but most of us are trying to make our subs better, even if we disagree or fuck up sometimes.
Hust91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mods took a vote whether it was oniony or not, and "Not oniony" won (because clickbait headline for a program that's fairly common in that industry, and of course the PR people know we hate the word "commercials").
I'm just one mod. If you disagree with the decision, you can modmail to discuss it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An alternate alternate view: the more people who opt out the better. The more people who view an ad space increase the worth of that space. So if less people opt to see it, the less money companies will pay for that ad space
The problem with the mass opt out approach is that there simply is not enough awareness/savvy/conviction among the general audience to actually make a meaningful dent on the โreachโ of the test, if you will. Even if there was an organized opt-out coalition that got airtime on social networks, traditional media, its own hashtag, and protestors in key cities, it would still be a stretch to think that enough people would go into their account and opt out for something like this. Even Facebook, with its more concerning international privacy โscandalโ that got weeks of airtime and a #DeleteFacebook movement, arguably came out on the other side probably with no real internal change in course. The better approach, IMHO, is to opt-in and just try to be the least monetizable user ever by minimizing your engagement with ads, and maybe even reducing your usage if you see too many of them. Behavioral analytics inform most decisions in companies like these.
Iโm still going to disagree. Netflix knows full well people arenโt going to like the addition of ads. If people just give negative feedback about the ads, why would Netflix care? Ads are effective if and only if the ad is seen. So regardless if it catches on or not, there is a direct correlation between how much money Netflix will receive and how many people see an ad.
There is less of a correlation between whether or not people like the adds they see, especially if they still continue to pay for the service.
I also disagree that people wonโt get up in arms about this. This is the exact thing that people would get up in arms against. A subscription based company not only adding ads, but also blatantly lying about it? Cmon. But regardless of how big of a wave this will make, Netflix wonโt get my incredibly small fraction of ad revenue because Iโm going to opt out.
Listen here Iโve been a data scientist for 25 years. I got my data science degree back in the 90s before data science was even cool. You young kids think you know how to do analytics and shit but you have no clue. What we should be doing is sending strongly worded data emails to Netflix telling them to listen to us data scientists that they are doing it all wrong. If that doesnโt work we will have to bring in the data engineers. Thatโll really show them.
Merari01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, what we need to be doing is contact the 24th century and have Data contact them.
I wish I could consider myself a data scientist but I have done work in the field both as a hobbyist and a professional and I can guarantee you that every viable metric will be considered. No company in their right mind is going to analyse just one metric, or ignore other potentially valuable metrics.
Think about it, if everyone opted out except say 10% of all customers why would Netflix in their right minds ignore that? It makes absolutely no sense to not consider it. Customers do the most convenient actions possible, I know this from working in mobile design but it's well established in many fields. End users want things to be as easy and intuitive as possible, so when a person goes out of their way to go into settings and find the opt out flag for a program it is considered a strong negative reaction. And I know you'll say that it isn't hard to change those settings, as a technically apt user I agree with you but you gotta understand most Netflix users are not savvy and have never even been in their account settings.
I'm sure I'll get more downvotes from people who have no idea what they are talking about but trust me when I say ignoring opt outs makes zero sense. If Netflix was run by goldfish then maybe, but they are at the forefront of analytics right now.
dreed91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For what it's worth, I agree with you on almost all of those points, but you just hadn't offered much support prior to this comment.
I am not a data scientist myself, but I have some very basic knowledge (did some machine learning stuff in college). Although I do see that opting out is a pretty big deal, I'd assume that even just not clicking the ads will be considered too. Though you do raise a big point about the weight of a user going out of their way to opt out is probably much greater than the weight of a user just not clicking the ads.
ktappe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:28:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you call it "data science" kind of betrays you. It's called "statistics".
Data Science is legit. Most TelCos will have data scientists. Statistics are just statistics, they aren't a science nor are they the analysis that produce... Statistics.
Meh , that's a very cloudy Grey area nowadays. Some people see DS as more like the application of statistics. Just like engineering is really nothing more than Physics and Chemistry applied.
โYouโre listening to a commercial free hour brought to you by <corporate sponsor>โ
ThirdRook ยท 1090 points ยท Posted at 15:10:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iheartradio probably
erikwidi ยท 778 points ยท Posted at 15:31:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iHeart is dying a death in the United States though, so hopefully in the next decade or so we will see the end of such empty, monopolized corporate radio.
source: I work in empty, monopolized corporate radio.
Ven72 ยท 748 points ยท Posted at 15:34:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dying a death is a tough way to go.
rdyoung ยท 223 points ยท Posted at 15:36:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dying a death is a tough way to die. In fact I believe it's the worst way.
Let me elaborate for you, simpleton. The joke was that your means possessive, where the original author meant you're as in you are. However, taking what /u/CommandersLog pointed out (which was that the sentence was incomplete) I added a joke that our author died trying to finish his sentence. Hence why I explicitly state "he died shortly after starting to write the title of the song".
Do I need to take you to /r/explainlikeimfive to help you understand the joke or do you get it now?
Seriously, enlighten me on what could possibly make you think that the author of that intentionally made that mistake as part of a joke? If he did there would be context clues other than the mistake, please point them out.
Man, this makes me furious. We waste BILLIONS of dollars trying to cure cancer, but can barely spare a few millions to avoid having fellow Americans dieing to death? I'm literally shaking (my head) rn.
They also have their sponsor spots, at least around me.
It seemed to often be disgraced companies or companies heading into a scandal. I remember hearing Lumber Liquidators ads and also investigative reporting about Lumber Liquidators. It was kind of funny.
Well of course, but it's not as actively intrusive as commercial radio. There's also some very defined legal differences between commercial radio's ads and public radio's underwriting. (No "calls to action," etc.)
Also, we were made to be very clear if any subject we were reporting on was a public radio underwriter, but with the top notch journalists NPR has, that's seldom been a problem.
Oh, absolutely. It's much less intrusive and it occupies much less time, but it still really feels like advertisement, even if it technically isn't.
I will give all the kudos for being good about keeping a hundred foot wall between sponsor spots and reporting, and the reporting is always great and unbiased.
I don't give my fifteen bucks a month for nothing, after all!
Iโll believe it when I see it. Theyโve been on the verge of bankruptcy for years, and even when they do go under theyโve altered radio so much that it wonโt even matter honestly.
Source: a local cluster worker who sees them practicing the exact same tactics as iHeart.
Piping in talent for shows instead of using local talent, using consultants to build those shitty playlists instead of allowing program directors to choose whatโs best for their stations, putting extremely limited resources in the local talent they do hire, paying board ops minimum wage. Itโs pretty much the same across the board.
One of the horrible I heart radio stations play at our hotel pool all day. They always advertise that radio reaches millenials better than any other advertisers. I was like uuuh last time I checked all the young people use spotify and other music apps now.
I don't think I've listened to a radio station in a decade, wtf are they smoking.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:07:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No free service can exist without a revenue stream. What options do you suggest take its place? It's obviously still running because there are people who listen?
erikwidi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No free service can exist without a revenue stream.
That's not what I'm arguing.
It's obviously still running because there are people who listen
That's not the issue. The issue is that they're spending more money than they're making. And more and more people don't like this cold, corporate structure, it's a poison to local radio.
What options do you suggest take its place?
Go back to traditional radio. Let stations have their identities back. Let them have their own unique brand, with their own unique logos, playlists, IDs, websites, etc. Push the attention to the individual stations rather than companies and corporate structures. Radio is still totally killing it in small towns and clusters, and that's where the metagame is heading to. People care about the communities they live in. They would much rather hear someone FROM their community talking ABOUT their community instead of some prerecorded bullshit from Ryan Seacrest. This corporate showbiz Hollywood style doesn't work for traditional radio.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then a local radio station can open up and if it's better will compete and become the top.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think it can in this instance? Could it be a local station can't compete in the environment?
And the same thing is happening with the internet. It's become completely corporatized. Almost every site now has a corporate affiliation and yet we see it happening and do nothing.
erikwidi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I sincerely doubt we will see an end, I sincerely hope so. I live in an isolated area where Clear Channel stations were divested and acquired by local interests. I love my local radio stations.. interviews with local officials, relevant news, better variety.
Gonzobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coulda sworn Clearchannel was the one that was dying. I wonder why this new entirely unrelated radio entity is also now dying. /s
iHeart can't die quickly enough. My local rock station was owned by iHeart and once they switched corporate owners it became bareable to listen to again. I've mostly switched to NPR though because they only play the same five songs on heavy rotation.
It won't be the end even if they go bankrupt completely. There are a lot of companies invested in it (Liberty Media for one) that would not mind taking control of it when it falls.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iheartattack
flxtr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to be a radio DJ when I was in high school. I volunteered with a family friend who had a show on a church owned station that played rock music on Wednesdays. I also went out and worked for a local rock station doing remotes at concerts and festivals.
My freshman year (1993) of college I signed up to be a DJ and got a 4a to 8a Saturday morning shift with my roommate. We called ourselves the โHangover Showโ and we had a lot of fun. We were good, got bumped up to the 8-10a shift on Tuesday and Thursday. Pretty rare for freshmen and Business majors.
There was a color coded system for heavy and medium rotation of songs and artists couldnโt repeat for 3 hours. We kept a paper log of what we played and when.
Sophomore year it all changed. A computer was installed in the studio. There was a set playlist, we were just drones that dropped the needle or queued up the CD. There were set filler spots where we had to talk to fill time and our ads went from PSAโs to actual businesses. โThis is how the real world works!โ our Program Director told us. It became a job. I hated it. I dropped it second semester and went back to focusing on business.
God I hope so. Here in Atlanta we used to have such a killer group of radio stations. Radio here was part of the culture of Atlanta, not just some background noise.
Now it's all iheartradio, ultra-homogenized, super safe, as-pop-as-we-can bullshit. Atlanta used to be a top spot for tours, every band tried to book weekend shows here and they'd always sell out. Now it's all Tuesdays and Thursdays.
AyMoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey me too! And I work for a company (entercom) which is basically turning into what Clear Channel (iHeart) or Cumulus was 10 years ago. Buying all the stations that those groups can't afford anymore. Have literally been told "Good luck going somewhere else, when we buy that station first thing we'll do is fire you!" a year and a half left on my contract...can't get out soon enough.
Free podcasts are so bad for it. When I'm lying on my bed, enjoying my free 100 night 'sleep on it' trial on my incredibly comfortable Casper mattress, it's all I can think about.
(actually don't begrudge podcasts, they are free and the presenters need to eat. Eat delicious and easy meals from Blue Apron).
Edit: please stop haha I hear a million of these adds on my hour commute everyday, seeing these pop up as notifications on my phone is triggering the fuck out of me.
Honestly I donโt mind the audible ads at all. I listen to history podcasts exclusively and the ads are usually followed with a recommendation related to what Iโm listening. Iโve yet to get any audiobooks because Iโm pretty busy with several podcasts but I make note of the recommendations and Iโll probably get them when I catch up on my podcasts.
Yo it really is Blue Apron in EVERY PIDCAST. They have so many discount codes for those first three meals three I think you could type literally anything and they'll just throw it at you anyways.
I dont mind my podcasts having commercials too much, but I listen / am catching up on Hello From the Magic Tavern and I swear to god they break 5+ minutes on some of their commercials.
When they first started doing them they even read an email out complaining that the commercials were too long, laughed at it and shrugged it off!
'sleep on it' trial on my incredibly comfortable Casper mattress
When the internet of things gets going your mattress will also try to sell you things. With a voice so hypnotic, soft and gentle it could be Charmin Arse Wipes.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BlooooooooooooooeyAH
RECRUITAH
Edit- It's also funny to keep track of his advertiser turnaround, and how usually he reads the email word for word ...."Alright let's see, insert anecdote and/or experiences with SHARI'S BARRIES. Oh, shit, um, yeah, I got these berries for the lovely Nia, well really they were a free advertiser sample, but they made the SHIT outta those berries!"
Also love how everytime there's a return guarantee for anything you wear or sleep on he always just says "gross" hahaha
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"If you don't like SHARI'S BERRIES, you can return them, GROSS....The fuck is tha- like aftah they come out the other end?"
reol7x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And while you're at it, once you're done with your refreshing meal from Blue Apron, be sure to pick up one of these handy electric toothbrushes by Quip. Quip is the only ADA approved subscription electric toothbrush.
I actually haven't heard of that one yet! The only US podcasts I listen to are Sawbones and more recently WTF though so I'm sure it'll cross my path soon!
Mnm0602 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to a WW1 podcast where every episode is interrupted by one of 3 ads for another podcast, including a non-sensical "Think History is stuuuuupid???" commercial which then proceeds to try to sell you on why history is fun....while I'm listening to a WW1 historical podcast. Like how fucking stupid are they?
Unless people start paying for podcasts, they have to have ads in them and we all know people are not going to pay for them. At least they are skippable.
Despeao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know they are there for a good reason. But if they have Ads, then they're not Ad free.
Still better than the awful local commercials that get played on the radio. The screeching tires and horns for auto insurance (how is that legal when most people listen in the car?), booming fast-talking car salesmen, and horrible jingles for local businesses is a lot worse. I just listen to podcasts now
True, but the one that sticks in my head 10 years after I moved away was for a local tattoo shop/head shop in town called The Dark Side and Tattooing. Youโd think a place like that would use heavy metal or something for their commercial, but instead they had this cheesy-sounding happy woman singing โDark Side and Tatooing, Express yourself!โ in that typical jingle fashion.
I will never forget "Trader Jims, Traaader Jims, Traader Jiiiiiiiiiims Westerrrrrnn Waaaaaare."
Mnm0602 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was probably one of those deals where you could pay $30k for a heavy metal song or $15k for a jingle that will stick from someone that churns them out, and the shop chose the latter.
Anybody that's lived in Central Minnesota probably shares my seething hatred for Kia of St. cloud
Karrion8 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:40:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No! Why?
It was gone! It was gone....
Smaskifa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I recently donated my mom's car to them. Had an issue with the title and had to call them. They play that fucking jingle while you're on hold. I nearly canceled the donation.
I wouldn't even know where to report to but I hate these commercials so much! Just what I need while driving a ton of steel at 60mph, a moment of panic while I frantically look to evade potential death.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TarMil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
supposedly the commercials are protected by the First Amendment.
That's stupid, surely horns in something that many people listen to while driving should be in the same category as yelling "fire" in a theater...
Funny how I see so much stuff replacing "c"s with "k"s, but never the opposite.
Kars for kids, but never anything like cars for cids.
erikwidi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The screeching tires and horns for auto insurance (how is that legal when most people listen in the car?), booming fast-talking car salesmen, and horrible jingles for local businesses is a lot worse.
Radio ad producers don't like that shit just as much as listeners don't like it. But when the out of touch 80 year old dealership owner is stuffing 40 grand down the station's throat, they won't argue with what the dealership owner wants to hear in his ads.
I just get tired of the bullshit political ads... I drive for a minimum of an hour every day, and I have had to listen to the same piece of crap political ad at least 5 times per day, 5 days per week.
Dear radio manufacturers,
Many of us would love and pay for a radio in our car that mutes the radio automatically when commercials come on.
I do not miss that crap on the radio. Ever since I discovered Spotify, I immediately paid for the premium version. No commercials and I can listen to almost any artist's albums. Premium Spotify for me equals no more radio and never buying a CD ever again.
groatt86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest is those 500 word a second legal warnings before/after a commercial. It sounds like a bee buzzing.
Anyone in central Oklahoma has probably heard Edmond Hyundai's ""jingle."" It's a chorus of people quickly singing in the highest, most obnoxious pitch: EDMOND HYUNDAI EDMOND HYUNDAI EDMOND HYUNDAI.
I agree. But at least I can mash the โskip ahead 15 secondsโ button to get past it. Not really possible while driving through so thatโs annoying.
The way they do them on No Such Thing as a Fish is a less annoying though.
I heard a jingle for a nut brand this morning that was incredibly suggestive talking about busting a nut and pleasuring yourself with the nuts and all that. Was funny the first time, but then I heard it 3 times in one 30 minutes drive and want them to die
Exactly. I modified my button for a 40 second advance & 10 second rewind. Sometimes one hit does it, but other times it's 3-5 times. I'll take passive downloads like this versus services that force you to listen to it anyday.
"This portion of the podcast is brought to you by Sqa---eh---some---low---but---and that's---4, 3---piece---act---can---why---isit today! Now back to our discussion about 'commercials' on Netflix?! Oh the humanity!"
Grimesy2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention Casper mattresses, Blue Apron, and Me Undies
I guess they work in some respect. Here we are spouting off all the companies so success? But it still doesn't translate to me actually sending money their way for their products :)
The line "a buck a show. It's all we ask," sounds like the Dan Carlin podcasts (Hardcore History and Common Sense). His commercials for Audible are worth listening to though, because he recommends specific books.
That was my first thought too, and those shows are epics anyway that are more than worth a dollar a show even with the audible sponsorship. I've given them plenty of money and it's been unbelievably worth it
The Secret History of Western Esotericism Podcast. Although to be fair, they list their sponsor at the start and tell you they're unfunded at the end (or vice versa, I don't recall), but if you're playing several episodes after each other you will hear these two statements after each other.
I think I know what podcast you're talking about and I can't even complain about the audible plug. Dude puts out a 6 hour super informative show with one ad read at the end of the show and nothing in the middle. That's pretty impressive
Well, I wasn't actually referencing his show, only using the last statement as a depiction of shows that ask for donations. I don't think Dan Carlin claims his show is unfunded, but I might be wrong.
vargo17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The hourly station identifier is actually federally mandated by the FCC. So since they have to interrupt your music anyways they announce a sponsor as well.
DGMrKong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercials and mentioning a sponsor are two very different things. They have to pull in money though advertising somehow, that's the only way they can operate. Luckily some companies will pay enough money to keep the show operating, for simply mentioning their name. So when they say โYouโre listening to a commercial free hour brought to you by <corporate sponsor>โ, they mean your getting a few small 10 second ads instead of 5 minute breaks every 10 minutes.
Nothing is free. If you really want music with no interruptions at all, then your going to have to pay. Someone always has to pay, and if someone else is paying for you then they are going to want a shout-out which is exactly what this is. It's just a shout-out.
Mostly it keeps them coming back. But what you've mentioned is now becoming more prevalent.
Excal2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still listen to my old college radio station because they live stream everything and have old broadcasts, I love it. They've got shows that are thematically interesting and the presenters are inexperienced but really creative and engaging because they love doing it.
Send them an email, call, or hit up their social media and let them know how much you enjoy their work. They likely don't get much feedback, and it really helps.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:03 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On my to do list for tomorrow, thanks for the heads up.
Ratings and listen time (measured and calculated over decades) indicate how people are going to listen.
Radio listeners are a captive audience, mostly in cars. And to keep people engaged, they've figured out when people are listening and for how long, and how to incorporate advertisements and branding.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since terrestrial radio is broadcast to the public, it's got more regulations than internet radio. Essentially, the radio companies that are broadcasting are renting the bandwidth from the government, and they have to follow the government's rules how to use that utility.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:02:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The FCC makes radio stations declare their ID so people can report the station to the authorities in case of a violation such as overpowered signal or interference, and also banned content I suppose, as the specific frequency can be shared by many stations in different parts of the country. It basically declares responsibility over that certain broadcast and that you're complying with the regulations, something like a ban on covering your face in security-sensitive places: Not that they absolutely need to see your face, but you would only need to cover it (not identify your station) if you were going to do something illegal.
Besides, it lets people whose radio receiver doesn't have a screen know what they're listening to
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Skadwick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahah, I had something similar happen. I used to skype with an ex back in college, and I was picking up some station via my headphone wires. It fucking creeped me out until I could tell what it was.
This was more a problem back in the early days of radio when stations would literally try to drown each other out by overpowering their towers. It got to where it was impossible to reliably tune into anything, so that's when the government stepped in.
Today, with a more defined AM/FM spectrum, (not to mention, streaming) everyone can easily keep to their own part of your radio dial.
For example, when you're trying to listen to a certain station and you hear a different one because they are overpowering their signal. It is mainly not a problem nowadays.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna assume most of this is designed to prevent pirate radio since apparently all laws in America are designed to protect intellectual property.
EDIT: I meant this in the context of artists not getting paid royalties for their work being broadcast over a pirate radio broadcast, not that I think radio stations downloading songs illegally turns them into pirate stations. I don't know all that much about radio though so I don't actually know if that's how artists get paid for their songs being on the radio.
You're correct in that pirate radio is unlicensed radio, but it has nothing to do with intellectual property. A pirate station doesn't have to interact with copyrighted materials at all. It could just be a guy ranting about how chemtrails are turning the frogs gay.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I guess I just assumed that the problem was with artists not getting paid for content being broadcast over pirate radio.
In most countries the radio frequencies are considered public property, so you have to get a license from the government to use it. If you broadcast without such a license (or broadcast outside the terms of your license), you are a pirate station (because you're "stealing" the frequency).
Oftentimes said stations do play unlicensed music, but it could also just be people with too much time and a broadcast antenna having some fun talking about conspiracy theories, foreign propaganda, censored material, or anything else really.
Not always it's crazy guy yelling. In my city there was a music station complete with ads and shit. They bought a small station but were using the installations to operate on a different band closer to the popular stations. They were classified as pirate because they had no license to operate two stations and were fined and closed.
YUNoDie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate radio has nothing to do with intellectual property. Pirate radio is broadcasting without permission from the FCC. If I play an illegally downloaded song on a normal radio station, that is not "pirate radio." If I set up a radio transmitter (of a certain power, I'm not sure how strong it has to be) and start broadcasting whatever the hell I feel like without telling the FCC I'm doing it, that is "pirate radio."
So people can call the FCC with frequency and four-letter identifiers when a rule-breaking event happens, I would imagine. Maybe that way they don't have to pay government employees to do it?
I spent the last 10 minutes trying to find out for you, but seriously the best answer I can find is "because." It's required because it's required. The FCC will fine you if you don't. Sorry, I couldn't help more. Best I can do is speculate that before the internet and tv this requirement was set up so that people could identify what they were listening to and so that they could identify unlicensed broadcasters.
Just to blindly speculate ever use a radio without a digital display?
Ever thus been unsure what precisely what station you were actually listening too?
Used to be a lot more common back in the day too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I haven't listened to the radio in 5+ years and forgot about the old ones.
I'm amazed so many people still listen to it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So that anyone listening on the channel knows what they're listening to. Otherwise, how would you know who's broadcasting?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It shows the frequency that you are tuned to, but not necessarily the name of the station that is broadcasting on that frequency.
There's certainly not a 1:1 mapping of stations to frequencies. Obviously the same frequency can carry different stations in different areas, but also the same station can be carried on different frequencies in different areas. And depending on where you are, all of these conditions can overlap.
They'll hunt ya down too if you're pirate broadcasting, HAM folks love that shit.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It'll show you the frequency but not the broadcaster.
ndstumme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:34:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And yet when you live on the edge of two stations that broadcast on the same frequency, then how are you to know which one you're listening to? For example KQQL 107.9 out of Anoka, Minnesota and KFMW 107.9 out of Waterloo, Iowa.
There's a big stretch of I35 just north of the state border that overlaps the two.
Not every radio receiver has a screen. And even when then do, some old receiver will only show the frequency and not the name of the station. In addition nobody complains about it so that old regulation does not change.
remasus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it's so that if you're driving the freeway system and you don't know where you are, you know you can tune into any station at a specific time and find out. It's mostly a holdout from the pre-gps days but it might still be helpful to people. (Source: I dj at a radio station)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. I imagined it was some kind of holdout from the years past.
Shawnj2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some older radios donโt have screens, just a dial for the frequency.
pyronius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arbitrary decision?
Playing it every hour isn't a major imposition. Playing it only once a day is pretty pointless. Playing it multiple times every hour is a waste of valuable air time.
If the goal is to make sure that listeners know what they're listening to, then once an hour is a frequency where most people would probably hear it.
rangeDSP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to some redditor, it's to help pilots navigate:
And the FCC mandatory repetition of weather, time and station identity was a public service that would help pilots, farmers and people who needed their clocks synchronized to the same minute.
Lost planes would use their onboard radio direction finders, to find a radio station, and then get its City and station code. The big wide city was a pretty vague location, but the Radio Station antenna location was normally precisely mapped in relation to the airport.
So "...it's a cloudy 11 past 2 on WKRP in Cincinnati..." every 10~15 minutes cost the station a few seconds, but were invaluable to flying blind pilots. So pre-airlanes, any plane flying blind to Cincinnati, could just tune their radio for WKRP, home in on the Radio station antenna outside of town, and once they overflew the radio tower, take a known compass heading and distance to the airport.
When the laws about hourly identification were created, radios didn't have screens. It may be outdated now, but the laws are still on the books. Source: I used to have a car radio you tuned by dialing a knob and often had only a vague idea of where I was on the range. Just GIS "old car radio"
Maybe you know the answer to this since it's related to your work! What is the reasoning behind the law requiring them to do this?
fondots ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not the guy you're asking, but different stations can broadcast on the same frequencies, so 102.9MHz FM might be used by a classic rock station in Philly under the callsign WMGK, but across the country in CA another station might be broadcasting on that same frequency. There's (more than) enough distance between the two of them that under normal conditions I'd never be able to pick up the CA station in Philly. But if for some reason I start picking up a lot of interference from that other station in Philly, I have it's callsign to report it to the FCC so they can investigate WTF is going on.
Or if I turn on my radio and just hear someone yelling "FUCK" into the mic for 3 hours with no identification, I can report that to the FCC. They'll look up all the stations licensed to use that frequency, and either find that some disgruntled employee barricaded himself in the control room to do that and they'll ivestigate and issue the appriate fines and such, or they'll discover that there's a pirate station operating somewhere on that frequency and start tracking them down.
Not really. The radio edit is because they only have so much time in a 15 minute block, which is where terrestrial radio lives. And the imaging (branding) or talking over the song is to keep the audience's attention.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, once per hour is one thing, my local radio stations do it pretty much after every third song.
That's essentially every 15 minutes, including songs and ads. Most audiences will turn off after 5 unless their attention is maintained.
immerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, a lesser known FCC requirement is that they use a gruff male voice to do it, that they include sound effects, and that they remind you it's the "power hour", if that is what in fact the hour is. Internet bullshitter here.
They are required to identify the station by call letters, frequency, and broadcast stations ("KGO 810, San Francisco, Santa Clara, and Burlingame") at the top of the hour. Anything else is extraneous.
Cool cool. I only have a passing knowledge since my only source is that I have a friend who works in radio. They had mentioned at one point the station can get in trouble if they don't air it.
JazzSM ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:32:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The FCC requires all stations to identify themselves in this specific way. Called the Legal ID, it must be played during a natural break as close to the top of the hour as possible. Within five minutes on either side of the hour is generally acceptable. You may either say it live or play a liner from AudioVault. (You will be trained in all aspects of operating AudioVault during your air-studio training.) The FCC stipulates that the proper legal ID will have the stationโs call letters followed by its city of license. Our Legal ID is: โWKNC Raleigh.โ
You are permitted to insert the stationโs frequency in between its call letters and city of license, meaning โWKNC-FM Raleighโ and โWKNC 88.1 FM Raleighโ are also acceptable. You are NOT allowed to insert any other information in between WKNC and Raleigh. This means โWKNC 88.1 FM,โ โWKNC in Raleigh,โ โWKNC The Revolution Raleighโ and โ88.1 KNCโ are not legal IDs. You may put whatever you want before or after it, but every legal ID must contain โWKNC Raleigh.โ Consistent failure to do a proper legal ID will lead to your suspension, and, depending on the blatancy of the infractions, could lead to your dismissal."
Yes-nt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The FCC makes radio stations declare their ID so people can report the station to the authorities in case of a violation such as overpowered signal or interference, and also banned content I suppose, as the specific frequency can be shared by many stations in different parts of the country. It basically declares responsibility over that certain broadcast and that you're complying with the regulations, something like a ban on covering your face in security-sensitive places: Not that they absolutely need to see your face, but you would only need to cover it (not identify your station) if you were going to do something illegal.
Besides, it lets people whose radio receiver doesn't have a screen know what they're listening to
The FCC requires all stations to identify themselves in this specific way. Called the Legal ID, it must be played during a natural break as close to the top of the hour as possible. Within five minutes on either side of the hour is generally acceptable. You may either say it live or play a liner from AudioVault. (You will be trained in all aspects of operating AudioVault during your air-studio training.) The FCC stipulates that the proper legal ID will have the stationโs call letters followed by its city of license. Our Legal ID is: โWKNC Raleigh.โ
You are permitted to insert the stationโs frequency in between its call letters and city of license, meaning โWKNC-FM Raleighโ and โWKNC 88.1 FM Raleighโ are also acceptable. You are NOT allowed to insert any other information in between WKNC and Raleigh. This means โWKNC 88.1 FM,โ โWKNC in Raleigh,โ โWKNC The Revolution Raleighโ and โ88.1 KNCโ are not legal IDs. You may put whatever you want before or after it, but every legal ID must contain โWKNC Raleigh.โ Consistent failure to do a proper legal ID will lead to your suspension, and, depending on the blatancy of the infractions, could lead to your dismissal."
Fun fact: Even traffic reports are advertisements, so you can't get away from them. They often say something like, "This traffic report brought to you by...".
This traffic report brought to you by Acme, Founded by John acme in 1940....
This traffic report brought to you by Acme, Founded by John Acme in 1940. A company that always offers excellence!
This traffic report brought to you by Acme, Founded by John Acme in 1940. A company that always offers excellence! Stop by now and receive 2 products for the cost of 1 when you order in bulk!
I don't know the laws on this, but we were told at my college radio station that we had to identify or play a station ID commercial once every 30 minutes or so per FCC regulations or something to that effect.
The requirement is every hour, so they could have an uninterrupted 58 or so minutes and give them time for their call sign and whatever else they throw in there.
immerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a university radio station do it to the letter of the law and interrupt for exactly 5 seconds to say, in a completely normal tone of voice with no sound effects: "This is VNEY, 99.3 FM"
I've seen it done. Usually that kind of college has a HAM radio club. I got my license due to my college having a HAM radio class while I had no interest in using it outside that, most people were only doing call signs as little as possible. Once every 10 minutes almost on the dot for non-radio and once on the hour on the dot for radio.
SilasX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a requirement that the self-identification be so annoying and self-promotional?
I mean, I think that's perfectly fine. There's a station around me that has 55 minutes of songs per hour, every hour. And they hold to that. I'm okay with very literally 10 seconds in between songs on a service that's free and convenient.
I'm okay with very literally 10 seconds in between songs on a service that's free and convenient.
Bingo! It's FREE! If a local radio or broadcast TV station that I don't pay a dime for wants to air a commercial, more power to them. They got bills to pay and I'm obviously not going to pay it.
The problem is when the customer pays a premium for the service and they still put in the commercials. We pay so there aren't commercials.
I dropped both Sirius/XM and cable when it hit me how much I was paying to listen or watch commercials. I'll drop Netflix in an instant if they decide to force commercials on to me. There's plenty of other streaming service, maybe not as large, that'll happily take my $12 a month instead.
That is crazy. I wonder how that makes sense from a business standpoint. You would think they would be operating on way smaller profit margins than the radio stations that play full length ads. Are most of the sponsors local companies?
Mostly local places, yeah, plus, because of this business model, they've actually become one of the most popular stations in the area, almost overnight (I think it was founded less than a year ago). It's a top 40 station, and I know that at least two other top 40 stations had to revamp and change styles (one's an adult contempo, one's a classic pop station).
Helps that it's very literally one guy running the whole thing (to my knowledge). Pay for the studio and basically every thing after that is profit.
That's pretty cool. It gives me hope when someone breaks such a well established industry standard to provide a better product to consumers, and still manages to be successful.
Station Identification is not a commercial. They are required by Law to identify them selves and it is more like every 5th song. Its about every 15 to 30 minutes.
Just straight gaslighting.
Although, radio stations are required by the FCC to identify themselves every 30 minutes. What youre hearing are tags, W at the beginning is for East coast US, and K is for the West coast.at certain points in the day, they will identify where their broadcast station is located, as well as they are required to announce weather updates, storm emergency warnings. There are a few other things that I am forgetting I think. But yeah unfortunately no FM or AM radio station can be just straight music even if they wanted to.
Station IDs are mandatory, though most of the ones I hear are JUST the station ID. At least on the two stations I still listen to, when they do "commercial-free X minutes", they only say who the sponsor is at the beginning.
There is this classical radio station that has like a 3 minute segment of an annoying guy shouting why their station is so great because they don't talk but just do music non stop....
intellos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually an FCC requirement.
Well, not all the sound effects and shit, but radio stations are required to announce themselves on a regular basis, about every 15 minutes iirc.
MikeyFED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Baltimore they have WTMD 8.97
Listener supported radio.
It rocks.
But oh my god when they have fund drives I want to kill myself.
But without it I would be hearing Mr. TIRE commercials so whatever.
"We don't do adverts! Please donate..." - Wikipedia via massive popup advert.
pappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the US, radio stations are required by the FCC to do station identifications every hour. And if they use repeater stations to extend their signals, those stations must be identified several times per day, too. They have to say the station's call letters and their city of license, but usually add additional information about their station, and may even promote a radio program because they're being forced to take this break from regular programming. The same is true of over-the-air TV stations. It's usually pre-recorded and can end up being filler played more often when there are gaps.
As someone in radio: we usually play our ID sweepers because a lot of people flip around and don't know what station they're on. Plus, radio advertising is dying so we're really trying to direct people to our online content anyway.
YZBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear all the radio stations go to commercial breaks at the same time to make station flipping a useless endeavor.
They are required by law from the FCC to broadcast their radio station ID, or callsign, every 10 minutes. Their little blurb is for compliance, though definitely used for a bit of advertising.
I hate this as well. Just because you didn't stop what you're currently doing and air an advertisement doesn't meant that by bringing it up "organically" in the conversation doesn't count as an advertisement. As long as you're being paid mention the product, such as with new Zero Coke that's is the same flavor as your beloved Coca-Cola Classic but with zero sugar and half the calories doesn't mean it isn't a advertisement.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an Uber commercial while in an Uber last night. This is probably the only brief period in world history in which you can hear an ad for internet services on conventional radio.
Falco98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In contrast - Sirius/XM radio does intermitten inter-channel promotions between songs occasionally, and you know what? I couldn't care less. They're totally reasonable, and infrequent enough that I consider them to be good-faith suggestions, unlike terrestrial radio which crams loud, super obnoxious commercials down your throat for 5 minute stretches after every second song.
We as consumers need to collectively bitch about this. If we don't let them know this is not okay, before we know it, Netflix will be as bad as Comcast.
We as consumers need to collectively bitch about this.
Netflix doesn't give a shit about what people say; they care what people do with their money. If everyone complains "oh I don't like commercials" but keeps giving them money, they won't go away.
Vote with your wallet. The minute you see an advertisement, cancel your subscription.
jej218 ยท 288 points ยท Posted at 14:29:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get Netflix free with my cell provider though, so I can't really do much but complain.
"When Netflix gives you commercials, don't just tolerate them. Make Netflix take the commercials back! Get mad! I don't want your damn commercials, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see Netflix's manager! Make Netflix rue the day it thought it could give you commercials! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your housedown! With the commercials! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible commercial stunt that burns your housedown!"
kdeltar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes me think of that jump for trump thing way back
Yamkelaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. My upvote was number 420.
emailrob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a Note 8. Problem solved.
Stewardy ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:06:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell your cell provider that you'd like to switch that subscription for another if they offer any.
Or simply that you feel the value of your subscription has decreased because of actions taken by Netflix. Depending on where you are and what company it is, they might give you a discount - but either way if enough people make similar complaints, they'll have to raise the issue with Netflix.
Younger people have been cancelling / never signing up for cable, but there's still several generations of people who consume TV as their primary entertainment. So as of yet there's been no need to change their policies. Eventually that won't be the case, but I'm sure by then all the streaming services will be just as bad, so it'll be the same policy, different platform. It's already happening.
Years ago Netflix had tons of movies and shows. Then networks started making their own streaming services, and pulled their content from Netflix. They they started putting in ads on top of a monthly fee.
Now some services (like hulu) let you pay to add on other streaming services to their platform, and show ads (you can pay to get rid of SOME of them, but ones for add-on services still run)
And with the destruction of Net Neutrality, it's not a huge leap to say that ISPs will start providing their own streaming services that aggregate the other ones, and take a cut.
Basically, since the internet is owned by the people that own cable, and the protections to regulate the internet as a utility instead of a service are gone, when cable dies (and I do believe it's a when), the internet will already be in it's place.
They can fastlane their own aggregate streaming services and then show you as many ads as they want. If it took an extra 5 minutes of buffering on Netflix but Comcast stream showed 4 minutes of commercials, who would you choose? They both suck, but they hold the power.
Basically without net neutrality an ISP could block all streaming services unless it came through their stream aggregator. Something like โwant access to Netflix, Disney, and Cartoon Network streams? Youโll need to sign up for the Comcast Premium Streaming Package.โ
Doing that is illegal under net neutrality, but without NN, it can (and imo likely will) happen. With NN they can still make an aggregator app, but they cant block directly going to Netflix.
In theory yes, but in practice there is very little competition between ISPs in a given area. You get one choice, maybe two if youโre lucky. Itโs based entirely on where you live too. The market is too filled with the existing providers, so there really isnโt room for much competition. Thatโs why NN existed, because the internet is way more like a utility than a product.
Thereโs only one option in practice because most people in the US have only one provider in their area, so the option is either have internet or donโt.
Also NN isnโt anti competition. ISPs can still compete, just not in delivered content. Korea has faster speeds than us because their ISPs prioritized speed as a means to compete with each other. ISPs in the US can do that too. They could improve their networks and offer greater speeds, but they donโt, because they donโt need to, because most of their customers are geographically locked to one provider.
They were supposed to provide higher speeds and greater access. NY State is suing one of them right now for failing at that.
How can they get away with that? They certainly could install better infrastructure, but they have no incentive to do so since they choked out the competition long ago.
The big deal about net neutrality is that it guaranteed continued monopolies for incumbents with a massive barrier to entry for any competitors. Yet, they've attempted to fool us with this narrative about network priority being the huge deal. While not entirely untrue, why don't we see Charter fighting it, which should in theory be against their own interests? It's a good move, people get all upset about their Netflix while the corporations get to protect their interests and have no need to spend any money on upgrades because there's no competition anyways.
It's basically a cartel that locked down the market for as long as that regulation was in place. If costs to be a provider are high, only very large companies can be solvent, which means nobody can even begin to compete. Ultimately that means price locking and few upgrades, nothing is going to happen until high speed wireless tech is a real threat to the cable companies. Hell in some places prices have risen, since as you said there's no competition.
Contrary to what you said, NN is explicitly anti competition. Look into its effects a bit, that's really the main outcome of it.
It's interesting that Cisco opposed net neutrality, particularly if you know their market and history.
I'm 21 and I exclusively watch everything on my PC, unless people are over. In that case, I have my TV connected to my PC with a HDMI switcher so I can freely put everything on what we want to watch.
It's the freedom that draws me in. The freedom to watch what you want, as long as it's on some streaming platform. I've been ripping box sets and movies and putting them on my Plex server in the last few months, and my family are all watching things on there now too. I can watch ads if I have to, I just go on my phone for that time. But, if I don't have the freedom to watch what I want when I want, then I'm not paying for it.
Hulu is a great platform, but expensive. The fact that you can add live TV if you want as well as additional packages make it something that more people enjoy.
XanXic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cable/internet access is a pretty well known monopoly.
Streaming services are not. Netflix's whole model is based on gaining subscribers. They'll pay attention if they loose them.
Yes exactly this. I don't care about Netflix enough to put up with this. If I start setting ads you can bet my subscription is being cancelled. Just make sure you let them know that is why you've cancelled.
What I hate is the fact that you purchase a subscription to avoid ads, and a few years later they add ads somwhow forgetting their biggest selling point is ad free movies/shows.
Netflix โlet me play a clip of some other content we have ... since you canโt find anything to watchโ
Your sentence would make sense if:
Netflix showed an advertisement when you scrolled all the way to the end of their content
Your sentence makes no sense because:
Advertisements are shown in between episodes of the show you're already watching. If you couldn't find anything to watch, you wouldn't be watching Netflix now, would you?
People don't like being told what to do. There are people who would rather jump off a cliff en masse rather than listen to someone trying to help them. Normal Ads and these Netflix "preview clips" are just more of companies telling you what to do. Even if you'll enjoy it, you don't want to hear it.
They care about what people say with their checkbooks.
Roro1982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shareholders. Netflix evaluation is insane....they have to keep coming up with new ways to monetize.
bopjick1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Similar to RS3 with all their mtx. Unfortunately no one ever works together to vote with their wallet and nothing ever changes.
iner22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I did when they cancelled Sense8 on a cliffhanger, and they brought it back for a finale.
f_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mountains of complaints can get through to a company if it thinks those complaints are heading in the direction of lots of lost customers. It's still a decision about money, but it's a decision about potential lost money as well as the current state of affairs.
Do you guys remember Quikster or whatever they called it? Netflix announced they were splitting their streaming and DVDs into two separate entities and renaming one of them with dumbest name they could have possibly come up with. A ton of people canceled and they came back like a week later and went "ok we won't do that then".
This generation is stupified with waging war from their keyboards. Send and email to acchieve world peace mindset. Is like they are still asking their parents to do things for them.
Guess what? You actually have to do something for something to change. Money has always been the final judge of all companies, past and future. Vote with your wallet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol at "Netflix doesn't give a shit about what people say" is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen get upvoted here. Obviously it comes down to voting with your wallet but "what people say" is their pr and most of their advertising. "What people say" = why netflix got so big spreading with word of mouth. Everyone complaining is as important as a very miniscule number of redditers who practice conspicuous consumption canceling there subscription. Getting the word out is priority #1 if you actually want to have an impact.
I cancelled my subscription yesterday because of this and sent an email about why I did it. I know that I only pay something like $8.99 a month to be able to bingewatch shows but frankly, I don't need to watch Friends or Parks and Rec again and I only do that because I like having something on in the background while I'm doing other stuff. They started playing ads for other shows after each episode and making me then restart my show. It's annoying and now how I want to use my time.
My point is that bitching isn't enough. They'll notice if 5% of their customers unsubscribe in the next week but not much else.
Svinkta ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:12:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Companies really don't give a shit about what people think, I mean look at EA. One of the most hated companies, but they still pull shit like microtransactions in games because, even though people bitch about it, they still pay for it.
Vote with you wallet because that's the only thing companies care about.
emailrob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Enough' people people don't care about it. That's the difference.
If half their subscriber base was up in arms, signed a petition to say they will cancel service, you're damn right they'd listen.
if you are paying for a monthly vpn i would suggest windscribe. they almost always offer lifetime subscription for 35$ on some websites and the vpn works well
Iโm starting to feel like the golden age of legally streaming content is coming to an end. The major studios have now all realized the future of distribution is online and they seriously undervalued the content they were providing to Netflix.
They have made it harder and harder for 3rd party platforms like Netflix to air the studiosโ content while they prioritize their own steaming platforms. This is forcing Netflix to spend loads of money to essentially become its own studio to fill the content gap. Ads are one way of offsetting these costs and with Hulu already having success with ads and offering a more expensive ad free platform, it makes sense for Netflix to try to imitate this model.
Once all the competing platforms are well established, consumers will have limited options to see the shows and movies they want outside of paying for a bundle of different streaming services. Subscribers then will be paying ~$50 or more per month just to watch their shows and movies, and there is no guarantee they will be ad free since youโll essentially have no other option. At this point, itโs going to look a lot like the TV packages people were trying to avoid in the first place.
The problem is Netflixโs quarterly results are not exceeding Wall Streetโs expectations and thus not returning value to the shareholders. They are now forced to find a new revenue stream and ads (as seen with Facebook which is their huge cash cow) are really the only solution. They will most likely be easing ads in with their own content and beefing it up with soap and car ads in the future.
That is what piracy is. They already know we don't mind paying. Netflix upped its price and found what people are willing to pay, and it's a considerable fraction of a basic cable plan. They know how much their show/movie is pirated. Game of Thrones was massive.
The thing is, Roku, Slingbox, Hulu/Netflix/Amazon Prime, these all reduced piracy by making it convenient to watch shows. Hell, even HBOgo without a cable subscription.
If the ads are "as bad as cable" do what you did to cable. Don't just stop paying. Go around it.
Consider also
ad block,
PiHole (set up a Raspberry Pi between your Internet and your router to filter out all traffic from ad network IP ranges*, which only leaves in-video ads or YouTube style where they actually went through the trouble to host ads instead of importing them from the ad network),
AdNauseum extension, which is like ad block except it also fraudulently pretends to click on each blocked ad, devaluing the clickthrough, sowing discord between ad hosts and clients about how many clicks, and increases the burden on ad networks to really know what's going on with those clicks.
Can I give the alternative take here? I like the promos. I like them on HBO too. Netflix has a dozen new shows and movies coming out every month, I don't mind seeing a promo between episodes to let me know what's new. If they ever start interrupting episodes with them, of course that would be awful, but there's no chance of that happening.
230 people disagree. If I'm binging a show, I don't want recommendations at that moment, because I know what I want to watch. That's what the landing page is for.
How come HBO has done this forever and is also a channel that claims "no advertising" yet no one bitches about it? I don't get why HBO gets a pass and Netflix doesn't.
The HBO channel isn't a streaming service. You aren't going to know what's airing unless they have those promos there. Plus they have to keep their scheduling block to 15 minute increments. Netflix is for streaming, so we can browse and know exactly what options we have.
And as a side note, does anybody really pay for HBO? Outside of GOT, I don't think they have any worthwhile programming.
I feel like that was true a few years ago but I think the vast majority of people use HBO as a streaming service through either HBO Go or HBO Now these days. They have become a lot more like Netflix the last couple years. And the ads for their own programs every time you open a show/movie are pretty annoying.
I will immediately cancel my sub if i begin seeing commercials on the platform.
Netflix was my answer to avoiding a corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me in my home. There's nothing on Netflix that I want to watch bad enough for me to deal with advertisements.
antillus ยท 3082 points ยท Posted at 13:50:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been finding it tougher and tougher to find shows I like on there anyway.
Once they removed that amazing rating system, it's become much harder to find those shows you might have liked. I guess they removed it because they want to promote their own shows but that was a great rating system they had.
th30be ยท 307 points ยท Posted at 15:46:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thumbs up and down is such a stupid system.
Also does anyone else miss Max?
DerFelix ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, they used to show the rating of other people, now it shows a random number that it thinks shows how likely I am to like a show. Weirdly enough all their own productions get vastly higher ratings than their bought productions.
Their productions are mostly crap. It actually helps me out because I'll be thinking something looks interesting, see the Netflix tag, and save myself the shitty CGI and forced political issues I'd have subjected myself to.
[deleted] ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:41:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad to me because I remember at some point, knowing something was a 'Netflix Original' made me feel more confident it would be high-quality.
I'm not sure when the transition happened, but now it seems like they put out a million shows a minute and most of them are garbage.
I feel like it was all of last year. Netflix Originals turned from an event to several times a week. Every week.
DerFelix ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:48:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure when the transition happened, but now it seems like they put out a million shows a minute and most of them are garbage.
Part of the reason is likely data driven decision making, which can obviously yield great results for the company, but not necessarily the customer. In this case, you can see how much Netflix has increased their income in the last few years, so in their view they are doing something very right.
They are probably going for something like watchtime (and subscriber increases) for their decision making and some low quality shows actually have great watchtime, especially compared to production costs, for people who just like to binge mindless shit or have it running in the background.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can see how it makes sense from their perspective, just sucks for us who actually use it and it feels so transparently money-grubbing and not customer-focused. Although, I think regardless of what they do, they are doomed (or at least, the service as we currently / used to know them is doomed) because of everyone pulling out of Netflix to create their own streaming services, for example Disney, so it feels pretty predictable and even understandable that they're trying to carve new niches and milk what they can right now. I'm still subscribed for now, but advertisements might push me off... I'm paying how much a year just to see ads? Might as well get back on the 7 seas.
it feels so transparently money-grubbing and not customer-focused
I can tell you why it feels that way. It's because it is that way. It's always that way.
You start out making a good service to win people over. Build brand loyalty until people are used to relying on you. Then you can can increase the amount you dick people around incrementally for profit at the expense of user experience to make more money until you collapse. If you're really good, you can dump huge loads of money into research on human psychology so that you can dick people around while increasing brand loyalty to an even bigger(yet broader) audience. That's the Blizzard/World of Warcraft route. It's even more sinister, but harder to speak out against because you've exploited people's monkey brains and got all up in their junk.
Netflix went with the "gather usage data so we can exploit people's activities while ignoring human psychology route". It seems like the way to go because data is data, but it's a rookie mistake because, as you'll see all over this thread, people fucking hate it. It's not a sustainable model and only works for youtube because google can afford to keep dumping money into it-it's not a standalone entity or else it would immediately sink.
Right there with you. I've learned that if it's any sort of sci-fi or action film where special effects would play a role in your enjoyment, you should usually avoid. If it's a low budget drama it might be ok depending on how much SJW stuff they force into it. I really enjoyed Stranger Things and Ozark but their stuff seems to be more miss than hit.
Nope, it was always linked to overall viewer ratings. At least for the UK Netflix. Things went from 1 star to 98% as soon as the system changed. The star rating was normally close to things like Rotten tomatoes and Metacritic. Now it's a total mess. I have a plugin that now gives me the RT score of shows when I mouse over them
e4e5e6 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:38:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Before the current thumbs up/down system, Netflix would give you a star rating based on how you've rated shows. If they didn't have enough information to give you a relevant personalized rating, it would give you the average overall rating, but Netflix has always had these personalized ratings. Since the DVD only days I'd been relying on them to make good recommendations, and it was almost never wrong. The personalized recommendations had it down to where it knew I wouldn't like Mad Men or Walking Dead, but knew I would love Breaking Bad. It correctly predicted I'd like the Jason Bourne movies even though I generally don't like action movies. There were stretches where I stayed subsribed to Netflix just because their rating algorithms were so good. And they got rid of it, now I can never find anything to watch.
Minim4c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they offer million dollar competitions to anyone who could improve their algorithm even by a percent? It seems like such a waste to throw away such a good system and replace it with the Amy Schumer debacle.
e4e5e6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a 10% improvement they were looking for, but the litmus test they were using was Napoleon Dynamite, because it was famously so hard to predict correctly whether a user will like it. And it was true for me. A friend and I walked out of that movie about 30 minutes into it in the theater because neither of us laughed a single time, and Netflix thought I would love the shit out of that movie.
Amy Schumer had nothing to do with it. It was announced months prior to that. They changed it because most people only rate things one star or five stars. Given that information and the fact that people are generally more likely to rate something if it's just like or dislike it made more sense for them to change it.
e4e5e6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The "most people rated everything 1 or 5 stars" explanation leaves a lot to be desired. If that's the case, the old system should still work for those people just as well as the new one. If they rated something five stars then that's like a thumbs up, and 1 star is like a thumbs down. A 4 star recommendation would be like an 80% recommendation, but now with the new system it only works for people who rate things that way. Also, I saw things that were not recommended to me before at 2 or 3 stars change to 95% recommended right in front of my eyes when it switched. I think it's pretty plain to see, they completely threw their algorithm out of the window because it was making their catalog look bad.
Well, not just that it made the catalog look bad. But if you fudge the ratings like they did, you can get more people to watch something by saying "Look! 95% match!" even though that's bullshit. People don't know it's bullshit until they click on it. But it's already too late because you clicked on it, and that makes the data say "look! this system is better! More clicks!"
They and youtube are so, so bad about blindly relying on their misleading data metrics at the expense of reality.
e4e5e6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I agree. I was actually taking it for granted that their catalog looking bad leads to fewer viewers, but I shouldn't have, because in my case it actually led to the opposite. I'm sure there's many great gems on Netflix that I can't find directly because their recommendations are no longer as finely tuned to me. As a result I no longer even pay attention to their ratings at all, making them almost a non-factor in what I watch, which as a result has me watching even less of their programming.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I really despise is that if I thumbs something up that I've ALREADY seen, it will recommend it to me if I haven't watched it on netflix or within the last year or something.
I'm not trying to "discover" new shit that I've already watched and already know exists...
And their "categories" are like all the same exact shows just titled something different.
"Irreverant comedies" shares like 90% of it's titles with "whatever nondescript description comedies."
What the fuck happened to "I've already watched this?"
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thumbs up The Office.
Parks and Recreation - 70% Match
Bright - 98% Match(and in the spotlight until the next Original)!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like 1 hit for every 100 misses and then the second season comes out which is a train wreck. Amazon doesn't churn out many shows but the ones they do tend to be really good quality. I can't even think of a recent Netflix series I liked.
I only saw the first 4-5 episodes, but I gave up on it because the story was slow as hell. Hour long episodes that felt like they covered half an hour of content.
Oakgecko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're probably referring to the "amazing first season, crap after that" syndrome in the comment he replied to. I unfortunately happen to agree but Netflix pretty much neutered the show on purpose. Everything after the second season was rushed and then ultimately the show was cancelled because the cost of production per episode was too high.
Bummer, I haven't seen the second season (partner and I thought it was cancelled after the 1st until recently). I heard the movie was worse. I really liked the 1st season, I didn't think it was slow at all given the character development.
The writing and acting are pretty bad, imo--superficial and cliche. The premise has potential, but it would take more thought and rigor to fulfill than this show has to offer. I did like it for a few episodes, but then the flaws started standing out to me more and more. I finished the first season to give it a fair chance, but I wasn't interested in what happened next, which is a very bad sign for such a plot-driven show.
Never got into either of those shows I think my most recent disappointments were Altered Carbon with the first half being great and the second being a cluster and I was disappointed they made Lost In Space a kids show.
Oakgecko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't have too much beef with AC but I felt like Lost in Space was a total Charly Foxtrot, independent of target audience
I was disappointed they made Lost In Space a kids show.
I was disappointed they made it Idiots Lost in Space.
Let's take the least-liked part of Walking Dead or any "Drama" that has people act completely irrationally to create fake drama.
You're stuck in a life-or-death situation with limited resources and a handful of people, there's going to be enough drama in just trying to survive - we can save the marriage counseling until later if we're not fucking dead.
Most kids shows have a constant stream of new content show up to create conflict.
Like a new person shows up from out of town, or they discover some book with secrets in it.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit those shows were painfully forced....I mean, they really went down the checklist with those two.
I do like their somewhat recent foreign stuff. Money Heist, 3%(to an extent, has some rough edges), Dark...all excellent, though the dubs are atrocious, definitely watch subbed with original audio. There's just something that feels disrespectful about dubbing over live action performances in today's day and age.
BoJack Horseman is an amazing show which happens to be a Netflix original. Other than that, I havenโt been super impressed with a lot of the shows they have to offer.
Aggretsuko is a lot of fun. Disenchanted just dropped and I'm enjoying it.
I can't get into their live action. It all feels so samey and a good chunk of it tries to be impressive first and entertaining second.
I started altered carbon and it opened on a monologue over a shot of a man floating in water. I immediately said "nope" and backed out to turn to anything else.
Eh... I've watched a few episodes, and while it's funny, I'm having a hard time getting over just how absolutely irredeemably selfish and toxic almost all the main characters are.
It's like they tried to copy the nihilism of Rick and Morty without adding in any of the humanity and self-reflection that comes with that series.
I've watched the first two episodes so far and am very unimpressed.. I have heard it gets a lot better about half way through the season but so far its meh. I wouldn't say I've hated it though.
The first few episodes are really average and the worst of the whole series imo. Stick it out at least through the first season because it really starts to hit its stride there and continues to get even better after that. The really early episodes donโt really represent the kind of show it will be or become in future seasons.
But BoJack is going to be on season 5. Netflix shows made 3-4 years ago were low quantity, high quality. Now it's reversed. They want to be a production company, not just a distributor. Which is going to make my need to subscribe go downhill very quickly.
The first few episodes are pretty slow and probably the worst of the entire series. It really starts to hit its stride in the middle of Season 1 and keeps getting better from there though.
noobplus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Other than Goliath and Patriot I can't think of any Amazon originals that I liked. Though I've liked several Netflix originals. Though it's been a while since they made anything worth watching or followed up with new content on the shows that are good.
You didn't like Man In The High Castle, The Tick or Jean Claude Van Johnson?
I fucking loved The Patriot it's the best show I've seen in years can't wait until Season 2 comes out in November.
noobplus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:28 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I didn't like any of those shows. Tried em all, except tick. B
Ya, Patriot is one of my favorite shows.
It feels like it's been a lot longer than a year since the first season came out... Feels like at least 2 or 3
They arent really removing the shows so much as they can't afford to continue paying the ever increasing licensing fees. That's why the need to invest in originals, the money turns into something they can own and show forever as opposed to paying millions for a short term contract that now costs more and more as other services eat up content.
That makes sense. Itโs just infuriating when the get rid of shows everyone wants and loves then tosses it out, even if it really isnโt their fault.
Asinine. They have competition now. Anyone who expected a single service to have all the content to watch had mistaken expectations. Expect to have to subscribe to 5 or more services to get the content you could previously on just netlflix within a decade. Between Disney, Hulu, HBO, CBS, etc etc everyone is creating bidding wars for content and making content they own exlusive to their own service.
This is literally why Netflix has been pushing for Originals last 5 years. Eventually Netflix will be almost entirely original content. Everyone has known this was coming, it's just happening slowly year over year.
Furthermore, Netflix is pumping out more originals due to the rise of streaming competition. Netflix is more likely to greenlight 'risky' shows than mainstream sources because for every 3-5 misses there's a solid hit that people will stay on Netflix's platform to keep watching.
Bojack Horseman, Stranger Things and bringing back Arrested Development all come to mind.
My fiance and I just started watching Disenchantment and it definitely would have struggled to be approved on any other platform but its definitely been the type of show we were looking for us and I assume other shows like Big Mouth hit the same niche for other people.
As a fan of Stand up comedy, Netflix is the only place I want to look because of how heavily they've invested in it, it could honestly be its own recommendation genre
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the issue there is that people actually watch that bad content. The Adam Sandler deal they made for example was because people watch his movies a ton.
Its doubtful netflix is removing content. They pay for a license for the contwnt for a specified time. When the time period runs out Nstflix can either renew, if they have the option, or not.
This is why i never liked netflix. I hated feeling rushed to watch something.
Yeah it's not like they don't have the money, so I hope it's just because the other companies are delusional enough to make their own streaming services.
I didn't watch enough of that. It just felt like an excuse for Brie to do nude scenes but honestly it's such a good premise I need to go back and finish it.
I mean they are documentaries, just of people and their beliefs and not of factual events.
In all seriousness though, Sci-afi is my favorite genre followed by documentaries but the two arent the same and netflix neets to treat them as such. Maybe a "speculative sciences" category or something similar.
I really doubt the Amy Schumer thing set it off. Do you think someone as large as Netflix made that change completely within a week? Nah, they had to have been planning and developing it before her special.
That's because that claim was nonsense. I'm sure she was pissed about her mediocre set being listed with one star, but she didn't cause Netflix to make that change. It was announced months before her special even hit.
It probably wasn't because of her but it along with other subpar originals were probably the biggest influence. Hard to put their own content front and center along with a rating saying everyone thought it was garbage. They probably get more viewers claiming their originals are a 95% match, whatever the fuck that means, instead of a 2/5.
Eurell ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 15:20:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
amyschumer....I am so proud of my special and grateful to all the people spreading love on line about it. I am the first female comic who is selling out arenas all over the world and so grateful for that. I am embarrassed for the "journalists" who report on trolls activities as if it's news. It's indicative of administration right now. Anyone who reported that "viewers aren't happy" with my special, it would have been cool if you did a moment of research before posting. The alt right organized trolls attack everything I do. Read the @splitsider article. They organize to get my ratings down. Meeting in sub Reddit rooms. They tried on my book and movies and tv show And I want to thank them. It makes me feel so powerful and dangerous and brave. It reminds me what I'm saying is effective and bring more interest to my work and their obsession with me keeps me going. I am only alarmed by the people printing their organized trolling as "news" this is what the current administration wants. So this post has nothing against the trolls. I thank you trolls so much. It fills me with hope and power to see you all furiously posting so as always accuse me of whatever lies you want. Call me a whale. Call me a thief and I will continue to rise and fight and lead. I know who I am. I am strong and beautiful and will use my voice my whole time on this earth. Journalists do better it's embarrassing. Trolls see you on the next one! ๐๐๐
Thats throwing a fit and made Netflix rework their entire system? I didn't realize she held that much power over Netflix lol
She doesn't. It was announced months prior to her special that they were working on an alternative to the star rating system. People who think media is controlled by post-modern neomarxists, however, decided that a woman comedian sabotaging our rating systems worked better for their circlejerk.
Eurell ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, you and I and anyone that doesn't obsess about Amy Schumer know that lol. I'm just trying to figure out this guys thought process in blaming her.
I believe it happened in quick succession which made it look like a direct response. A popular rebuttal is that Netflix had the feature announced and beta tested for months already, but that ignores the fact that releasing that feature for public use was their discretion and there's no saying when they would've released it. These companies don't just build features abruptly, their devs have libraries of features collecting dust. You think Apple doesn't know what features their users want? Just imagine what their devs are doing all day...
Alt-right anti-feminist nutjobs need to chill the fuck out with their social justice bullshit but yeah, it is kinda maddening someone so brazen with their joke-stealing is continually rewarded.
Gosh, itโs such a strange coincidence that immediately after the worst rated Netflix original, they decide to pull the plug on their star system. The PR men surely wouldnโt lie. I already conceded that they had been planning the thumbs rating system for a while beforehand, but Iโm almost certain that the whole one-star debacle sped up the process. And seriously, thereโs a reason that thereโs a circlejerk of hate for Amy Schumer. Sheโs a baldfaced plagiarist โ an unfunny, cringy plagiarist. Watch the compilations on Youtube. Dude, she literally said Ellen Degeneresโ joke back to her. It was really uncomfortable to watch. There are countless instances of her sealing jokes, not just premises, at or close to verbatim. Even if that werenโt the case, sheโs just a comedian for the lowest common denominator. Sheโs Dane Cook 2.0.
Whether you genuinely just don't like her (I think she can be pretty grating), you can't deny the fact that a lot of what she said there is true. She has a hate-following, just like Justin Bieber or Kanye West.
Amy Schumer must know somebody important, you say anything negative about her and you're labeled a troll, and for a while the media was obsessed with trying to convince us that she was attractive.
PMach ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:03:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Comedy Central has problematic idiots in management at best. Also, it's Viacom and all.
Well, it certainly didnโt look good for Netflix. Apparently, they had been testing the thumbs up/down system before, but that was the catalyst for implementing it. You donโt hear her seething crybabiness coming through over her text? Have you seen her respond to joke theft allegations or how she responds to hecklers?
Eurell ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:32:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen her respond to joke theft allegations or how she responds to hecklers?
What does that have to do with the Netflix thing?
Look, if she has the power to change how an entire platform works with just a single instagram post, than I guess she's right about how powerful and dangerous she is.
I mean, she didn't even suggest that they change the system. Are you saying Netlix was so worried about this one post that they changed things without even being asked? Fucking nuts that anyone is that worried about Amy Schumer
Amy Schumer is not a great comedian by any means but the insanely disproportionate amount of hate she gets for basically anything she does is a bit weird. The whole internet is frothing at the mouth with hatred for a fairly middle-of-the-road standup and I don't really get why.
moak0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of her show was actually really well done.
I'm not sure why the 18-24 male demographic (i.e. reddit) gets so worked up about her. If you don't think she's funny, why not just ignore her? Why go out of your way to have that opinion? It only has negative consequences for everyone involved.
Yeah, I really liked most of the sketches I saw from her show. I liked Trainwreck as well. That leather special, on the other hand, was some hot garbage imo. Definitely got a one-star from me
I haven't looked into all the joke-stealing allegations, because I don't really care very much one way or the other. It's pretty obvious, however, that a lot of the hate she gets is about joke-stealing the same way that gamergate was about ethics in journalism.
I looked it up after getting numerous replies about joke theft and found an article that listed 3 examples where she was called out by other comedians, all of whom later took back their accusations and said that it was probably just coincidence, and a couple others with similarities. A couple of them were iffy but none of then leapt out at me as obvious as Mencia's bullshit used to be where he would do jokes word for word. I dunno. I don't think it's fair to say all the criticism gainst her is just sexism or trolling but I agree, when it gets really vitriolic a lot of it is pretty obviously motivated by her being a woman comedian. She gets targeted over her appearance a lot too which is certainly not something I see male standups ever criticized on. Carlos Mencia was never a whale or a butterface, people just called him a shit comic.
moak0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The 12 Angry Men episode is still one of the best half hours of television I've ever seen.
She's an unoriginal thieving plagiarist hack. It's just that people over the age of 24 remember Carlos Mencia, so the rage against morally- and creatively-bankrupt "comedians" has been brought down to a gentle simmer.
sir2bot2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its the way she peddles false feminist narratives down your throat in commercials, the fact she is a garbage comedian whos jokes are either stolen or about her vagina, the fact she admitted to raping a man, and her attitude to people who think she isnt funny. She is just an amalgamation of many things that are very easy to hate, and then she blames it all on trolls. No Amy, you just suck.
Carlos Mencia caught equivalent hate. Stealing jokes is a cardinal crime for a comedian.
Even worse is stealing a joke and making it less funny with worse delivery. Unfortunately, the two go hand in hand- since those who have the delivery chops can make a Greek menu funny, they don't need to plagiarize other comedians.
Politics. There's a huge advertising presence trying to shove her in people's faces, so they respond with negativity because they don't like the thing being shoved in their faces.
Combine that with her exploiting the current political environment to her advantage, like the Ghostbusters reboot strategy. You don't like her? It's because you're sexist and also a nazi. Look everyone, there's a war between me and evil! Support me in order to fight evil!
People don't like that. It's also effective, because if you're looking at it from the outside, it just looks like people are going out of their way to hate on some random person for no reason when they should simply find her unfunny and then forget about it. Since that's the perception people have, they support her in these conversations, which plays into the narrative she's built her career on, which adds fuel to the fire for this whole thing.
That's why there's a disproportionate amount of attention being directed at her. She has worked very hard to remain relevant on social media. She knows how the game is played, so she's playing it.
caseymac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think she's as bad as people say. I'm not much a fan of her standup but I've seen much worse. I don't find any of her stuff to be so terrible that it's an affront to my existence like most of reddit seeme to. It's just kind of "Eh."
ChaosAE ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I'd rather watch dunham or Gabriel Iglesias than her any day but she gets way too much flack. Not that I don't get why, she can be annoying.
She acts either insane or insanely egotistical, I canโt tell which lol
โAlt right trollsโ made her feel โdangerous and powerfulโ but IIRC everyone has hated her since before that special came out, right? I never liked her
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She shouldn't be called out as a serial joke thief or a hack.
So, is it rape? Many people feel as if drunken consent is not true consent. Regardless of your personal opinion, Amyโs actions may have constituted as rape in the eyes of her college, Towson University.
Wait, you're making it sound with that quote like she just hooked up with a drunk guy. I thought she actually raped some guy who was drunk to the point of being passed out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't the standard. It is informed ongoing enthusiastic consent.
This is how Amy described it in her own words:
Finally, the door opens. Itโs Matt, but not really. Heโs there, but not really. His face is kind of distorted, and his eyes seem like he canโt focus on me. Heโs actually trying to see me from the side, like a shark. โHey!โ he yells, too loud, and gives me a hug, too hard. Heโs fucking wasted.
Am I going crazy, or am I remembering somebody else? Doesn't the story continue to say he passed out and then she raped him? In her own words, no less.
True in the same sense that they also removed it after the Holocaust. Of course, since they announced months prior to the release of Amy Schumer's special that they were phasing out the star rating system, it seems disingenuous of you to try and link those two events together.
But whatever satisfies your circlejerk, I suppose.
FrostyD7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:57:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think thats somewhat coincidental. The real goal was to hide that content is shit and promote what they want without question. The rating system and % match system used now is an algorithm you'll never understand. That helps them promote what they want and you can't question why its there, you don't know why, its just suggested based on thumbs up/thumbs down. So if netflix wants to heavily promote a thing, you can't complain because the algorithm did it and its too cryptic to question.
The new system is actually more transparent. The percent match is probably just the actual output of the model turned into a percentage (i.e .87 = 87%). The changes to 0,1 improves model accuracy to some degree. And Netflix probably also put a filter so that anything with scores < .75 doesnโt show.
I really doubt Netflix changed their entire rating system because someone like Amy Schumer (who has no real known shows if you ask a random person on the street, you just hear her name because someone's making fun of her) complained out a rating on her show.
PMach ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:02:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I not surprised?
_Shal_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was announced months prior to the special though, so it was just a coincidence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly certain they just recommend their own programming and say it's a "98% match" or whatever completely artificially. It doesn't seem to matter if it matches your viewing habits, what it matches is their desire to make you watch it.
Earlier there was a rating system that was very accurate for me personally in predicting whether I would like it or not. I think it was a 4 or 5 star rating system. I assume there was some advanced shit behind it for it to be so accurate. But now theres basically a percentage matching which doesnt seem to mean anything. So I use rateflix browser extension to know about the show.
Are you telling me that Catwoman didnt really earn 4.9 stars?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The reccomendations have become quite atrocious aswell. For instance, because i watched the big Vietnam documentary i may also like FRIENDS! Yep, seems like related content...
I found the "Useful Netflix Scores" plugin for Firefox, which adds Rotten Tomatoes scores to shows if it can find them. It's been very useful. I don't know why Netflix seems to think I have such awful taste, but its recommendations are complete garbage.
I remember when I first got Netflix's streaming service almost a decade ago it was very good at predicting if I'd like something or not. Amazingly good at it, in fact. Now I give it zero attention because it's just all over the place. They even took away our ability to see average user ratings at a glance. I'm surprised they still let us see user reviews at all. I log in and it's like "99% match for ghost hunters and the truth about Ancient UFOs" now.
If Netflix reintroduced its user experience circa 2009 I'd be so much happier with its service.
It was accurate! There were 2 important pieces a lot of users didnt realize though. First, the 5 star rating was a guess at how much YOU would enjoy it, NOT the combined rating of everyone. And secondly, it could only guess this if you took effort to rate what you watched.
I used to spend an hour every now and then rating things I've seen (5 = loved it, 1 = couldn't stand it), and also tried to rate everything I watched.
The old algorithm very accurately predicted if i would love something, just enjoy it, or not like it at all.
They removed the system because a lot of users didnt know how it actually worked and got angry with it, along with users passing on a majority of content because the system accurately told them they wouldn't like it.
The old system was great when used correctly, but only for the user. It didnt benefit Netflix much either way.
You really didn't find it useful? I have never seen a recommendation and prediction system anywhere near as accurate as Netflix's old one. They got me to watch dozens of movies and TV shows I had never heard of, several of which are now some of my favorites.
Whenever I was out of things to watch, I would sort by rating, exclude things I had seen before, and pick the top thing on the list. It was almost always exactly to my tastes. It was SUCH a great system, and they had to replace it with their current bullshit one. It often makes me sad.
It has a lot of the shows Netflix got rid of, and you can suggest new ones to be added. I hope they add Chappelle's Show next, but I don't think it's even on their list yet.
What a good person; She canceled her download at the end! Too bad the Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment (ACE), the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), etc have already recorded her IP and she's going to be pursued with their lobbied leverage of the law & nailed for the crime regardless of her "wonderful" change of heart.
I mean she had enough evil in her heart to start the download, she should be behind bars or fined. Imagine how much money the film industry just lost. Looks like she's in a college dorm; she should definitely be sued for more than whatever she's paying in student debts. I'm sure at minimum that could only begin to compensate the losses of the film industry for a movie she didn't watch and reasonable justice to be served.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oppaxal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When my mom forgets to pay the DirecTV bill and I get locked out of using the online services (SimpsonsWorld for example, which you can log into with your TV service account and stream free), I use pixa because it's so nicely set up compared to so many other streaming sites.
The only reason I use the actual websites in the first place is because the video quality is better and closed captions usually. Using SimpsonsWorld as an example again, it also has little trivia blurbs about what's happening in each episode that I enjoy when I don't get a reference they're making because it's a joke about pop culture from the late 90s.
snegtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ad-laden fuckery.
oppaxal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally any ad blocking service + a shitty streaming site is the best entirely free setup. Add a chromecast hooked to a TV into that list and you've got it playin on there instead.
What's a chromecast? Is it like a steam link, but you can only use the chrome browser? Or are they trying to expand the brand name of "chrome", so it's like a the amazon firestick thing, just a cluster of apps tied to a remote?
Not sure if the question is serious, but a chromecast is a cheap device that allows you to play stuff from your phone/tablet/browser on a hdmi tv/monitor. Great little dongle made by google
Hm, well I don't have a smartphone/tablet, so I'm not sure how desirable those bits are, but it still seems like it would be better and cheaper to just use a steam link or other device to be able to operate your whole computer through having it hooked up to a TV.
Unless the appeal is just that you specifically want to use a little TV remote to navigate the interface.
It's not really that you control it with a small remote and there is not really an interface on the dongle itself. As far as i can tell, you push the link from a supporting app (netflix, hulu, emby,youtube,...) to the chromecast, the dongle downloads a small app in the background that allows to play this link. This also works for almost everything you can play in chrome. Its kind of a smart version of a mirracast dongle
oppaxal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You pretty much just mirror cast whatever you send over to the chromecast dongle you plug into your TV. I don't think it has apps you install on it, your options are only limited by what you have that you can cast. If you use Google Chrome, you can cast just one specific tab and keep doing whatever you're doing. There's a little symbol that means "cast" (a rectangle with three curved lines in the corner) you might have seen on videos before, and it does the same thing. I use it to stream TV shows from my laptop while I play a full screen game.
snegtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nearly all of those services will prevent you from watching videos if you've an adblocker.
oppaxal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only site I've had that issue with is KissAnime/kisscartoons but they have work arounds and I just use a different site if I cant bother with finding that workaround lmao
As someone who has both, I almost literally never open netflix anymore, while I use hulu almost daily. Definitely suggest hulu over netflix personally.
Asoxus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I presume they have a free trial - i'll check it out.
Iโm with you on that. For years I despised Hulu because they use to be free, then paid with ads,etc... but when Netflix lost Futurama last year I gave in and bought it. Itโs all I watch for the most part. Of course on reddit you get called a shill for defending Hulu. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I literally just read someone saying something about ads on the ad free hulu version in this thread, I've literally never run into this and have no idea what they're talking about.
Thereโs only 6 shows that have ads on the ad free service, itโs written into the contract apparently? Off the top of my head New girl, Greys Anatomy are two of them. Itโs shows I donโt watch so yea Iโm unaffected.
I was a season in on Fringe, had to start buying it on Amazon. Was two episodes past the opening miniseries on Battlestar Galactica when they dropped it, had to buy it on Amazon.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well look at Mr. Fancypants over here...buying media, psh, bourgeois scum!
Hey, you might not know this, but the folks who make Kodi have been struggling a lot because everybody thinks the fantastic open-source software they make is for piracy. I've not got anything against piracy, but Kodi is nothing more than a media player.
Third-party folks add piracy-enabling extensions to kodi, package it up and distribute it as "Kodi", which really hurts the ACTUAL Kodi's name and makes it hard for them to be taken seriously as bonafide free software developers. I really don't mean to start an argument or anything, but the record ought to be set straight.
Asoxus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, Hulu now has every piece of media mentioned in this thread. And you can pay extra for no ads.
Edit: To those asking if it's actually ad free, I've been watching it for at least 3 years and have never seen an ad. Ever. I don't watch popular network television because it's pretty much all shit, so maybe that's why, but on my programming there has never been an ad.
It was only 4 ABC shows due to existing contracts, and even those were greatly reduced. 1 ad at the beginning and 1 ad at the end. However, some of those shows have been renegotiated since and have eliminated commercials on the "No Commercials" plan.
Though if I remember correctly, when signing up for the No Commercials option, they have a disclaimer stating that those shows will still have some. So at least it doesn't come as a surprise to those affected.
Looks like hulu is ~$12/month for no commercials and netflix is 7.99, 10.99, or 13.99 8ncreasing in hd level and screens that can be in use at one time
Umm itโs been awhile since I signed up and I donโt feel like looking through my bank statement but I think itโs $12 for the no commercial and like $8 for the commercial plan
They do, but Hulu at least has the decency to CALL THEM ads, which is better than the bullshit Netflix is pulling by insisting theirs are "personalized recommendations" even though that's exactly wtf commercials have always been.
Commercials have not always been personalized recommendations. They certainly aren't on TV, or I'm a man/woman/infant/teenager/adult somewhere between less than 9 months and possibly 99 years old.
Television commercials have always tried to be personalized recommendations, based on expected demographics for certain programs, but they've only been as targeted as TV has ever allowed, which is nowhere near what the Internet makes possible. But the point is, they've always been as personalized as possible. And they're certainly recommending you buy their shit. So this is nothing more than twisting words to sound like something else, without actually being anything else.
That would be targeted demographics, a far cry from personalized suggestions based on your browsing history. You can't personalize with television, you can only guess.
I'm not arguing with you about Netflix's as placement. We both know what that is.
I have netflix playing the back for at least 6 hours every evening. The only thing that happens is I have to turn and his the x button the controller to get it to resume playing.
Where are all these ads and how come only a few raging people are seeing it?
Read any of the myriad of the articles about this and you'll learn that Netflix is, for the time being, only "experimenting" with these commercials to some users.
So, if you haven't see them, then you are clearly not one of the test subjects.
Who cares what they're called. Ads, commercials, teasers, personalized recommendations, whatever... I cut cable because I was tired of paying to watch ads. Any streaming service is dead to me if they force any commercials on to a paid plan.
There are 6 shows (Greyโs Anatomy, Once Upon a Time, Marvelโs Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Scandal, New Girl, and How to Get Away with Murder) which they are contractually obligated to play ads for. They play an ad before the beginning of the show, none in the middle, and another one at the end which is 100% skippable. Other than those 6 shows, everything else is actually ad free. If it's a contractual obligation I guess I can't really fault them for it, especially when it affect such a small percentage of their library. I've had Hulu for a while now and they really seem to be improving their library lately. Some of their original programming is pretty good too.
The fact that they haven't added any more shows to that list since it was first announced in 2015 is a pretty good indication that it really is contractual obligation from deals signed before the ad-free option was considered.
It is one at the beginning and one at the end though, which is more tolerable than throughout. Although this thread is specifically people complaining about Netflixโs use of ads following content, so this particular audience may not find that satisfying.
The entire point of advertising was for media producers and distributors to earn money. The point of TV shows were for you to watch the station so you'd see the ads so the media producers and distributors would get money.
If I'm paying the media distributor/producer directly, why the fuck are they putting an advertising middle man in there?
This is that grace period where they're bleeding content but people are still sticking with them out of habit. Consumers will begin migrating to other services soon and Netflix stock will plummet (it's overvalued as it is).
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:27:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Advertising on paid platforms is a disease. Free services canโt exist without some kind of passive revenue keeping them afloat
The move that full price games made to implement free2play monetization methods was gradual. Now there's seriously players that demand microtransactions. I wouldn't be surprised if people dismiss advertising as "necessary" in a few years, even when it clearly isn't.
Torrenting is free and without advertisements, eventually these companies will realize everyone will just go back to torrenting if they keep trying to become more like cable
Sw429 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But YOU WOULDNT STEAL A CAR
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:58:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting to consider that with 3D printing becoming better and better, at some point in the future, it may actually be possible to download a (file for a) car (that can then be 3D printed and driven).
I would if it was as easy to get away with as pirating videos
mujie123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, man. I'd rather have banner ads on a game I'm playing than having to pay a subscription or something. It's how it's used that can be a problem. Interrupting gameplay, etc.
benargee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually don't mind advertising if it's of things I'm interested in that I don't already own and haven't seen 10 times already. Unfortunately ads don't work that way.
Lol, โthe less you see of what you particularly donโt like, the betterโ might be a better phrase considering how everything is sponsored and everything has add
I really don't see why. It just lets you know what's out there. And if you want free stuff, it's that or data mining
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But in the case of netflix, it isn't free. You already pay a nominal fee. If that fee is not enough, then they need to rework their model. Introducing ads is a great way to have customers quit their platform since that is one of their strongest selling points.
Offer a choice. "$0 per month with 4 30-second ads per hour of video, $9.99 per month with 1 ad between episodes of each show, $14.99 per month with no ads".
Would it piss some people off? Sure, any change is going to do that, but at least it would offer people for whom the money is more important than their time the option to choose.
Ads at the beginning and end does not differentiate Hulu from Netflix, because that's when Netflix plays theirs also.
What differentiates them is honesty. Hulu calls their ads what they are. Netflix employs bullshit wordplay and insists theirs are "personalized recommendations" and it's this "truth isn't truth" attitude which bothers more than anything else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid everyone here is responding emotionally, but ads for tv shows on a tv show viewing platform is no different than previews etc of tv shows on that platform
I doubt anyone is paying netflix to have their show advertised
And why is it physically impossible to show those shows without ads? Charge more for the service if need be, but don't show commercials. It largely defeats the point.
Because their pre-existing contracts for those series said that the studios/networks got a portion of the ad money. There's no way around it apart from breaking contract and removing the series or renegotiating at a severe disadvantage.
It's ridiculously easy to just ignore them if it bothers you.
corobo ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:21:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is one at the beginning and one at the end though, which is more tolerable than throughout
For now. Used to be Netflix didn't have adverts between shows. Used to be they didn't have autoplaying videos. Used to be.. etc
5 years from now "Well at least it's only one ad break"
Edit: I didn't keep track of where we were in the discussion. I was talking about Netflix like a muppet. All these replies below proper confused the fuck out of me lmao
They moved away from ad breaks during the show that's why they play at the beginning or end only. And for ad free hulu only 6 ABC shows have ads getting away with murder, new girl, agents of shield, scandal, greys Anatomy and once upon a time.
Price wise ad free hulu is on par with Netflix, multiple profiles and screens too
Everyone is so fucking cynical. Hulu's explanation was that they had some shows with an existing contract that didn't allow them to be shown without ads. It's like 6 total shows, and Hulu is upfront about which ones would have ads. That's not unreasonable, but people like you will just shit on them because blind cynicism.
I hear what you're saying and your skepticism is reasonable, but it's the other way around. My understanding is there was a small handful of shows which had worked out deals with ad revenue sharing and didn't have clauses for what would happen if Hulu went commercial-free. New content agreements are negotiated which make room for ad-free subscriptions.
So, Netflixโs โadsโ which are nothing more than previews for another show air between episodes of a show, while the credits are rolling. And you donโt have to pay to have it limited to that. And you can turn them off.
Itโs a beta test. You can opt out. And people looooooooove to bitch
Smuttly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't even an ad for those shows. Here how it goes:
Currently airing shows may or may not have a 5 secondish "ad" that is a title card saying "TV Show Airs @ Day and Time" so that you know when it airs live since you decided to watch it on Hulu. That's literally all it is.
That is not true. Thatโs on every show. There are specific shows that have an ad, then the show, then another (usually the same) ad at the end. New Girl is a good example.
Smuttly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally never seen anything more than the 5 second pusher ads on the shows I watch that airing at the same time.
Yeah,because no one here even watches those shows. They just like to being it up to bitch about something they don't even use.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I like about one at the beginning, one at the end, is I just get a drink or whatever during the one at the beginning. Then I just stop the show after it ends so I donโt even see the one at the end.
Itโs like 5 shows that this is the case for and Hulu literally canโt do anything about it because of prior contracts. They donโt want to be showing those ads but the choice is that or not have the show at all. They are also up front about it.
Netflix is choosing to do this on their own and being sneaky about it. Do you really not see the difference?
I have not objected to either practice. Iโm just saying what Hulu does on these particular shows that arenโt included on the no commercials plan because I have it and figured people might like the information.
I maybe wrong, about this but I donโt think so. Iโve payed for Hulu without commercials for over a year and donโt recall any, at least for the shows I watch.
I've been paying for ad-free hulu and have yet to see any ads, although I'm not one of those cool kids who has to watch every new series when it comes out.
New girl, getting away with murder, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, and once upon a time.
They also dont interrupt the show to play the ads it's either at the beginning or end. If it's the end you can skip it since the show is over at that point
Zemrude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have that option with Hulu, and the worst I have ever seen is the occasional 10 second ad at the beginning of a show highlighting other shows by the same network. You are right that it is not zero ads, but compared to even one regular commercial break it is quite minimal.
Anyone wanting to watch the shows listed up above won't see any of those ads. I think it only applies to the current, prime time type shows. I'm not too sure though because I mostly watch the stuff that use to be on Netflix and never see ads.
Freon424 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like at the start, there's like 5 whole shows that have a 10 second ad at the beginning and that's it. AND I think they're on Netflix, too, so you only have to watch 4 minutes of ads over an entire 22 episode season IF you wanna watch the current season. And it costs just as much as the 4K plan on Netflix.
I know Psych is on Amazon Prime and I think so is ATLAB. I've been finding myself using Hulu and Amazon Prime much more than Netflix recently. Most good shows have migrated to one of the two.
Amazon has picked up a few shows I like a lot (Doctor Who, Chuck, Psych)... I just wish their UI was better. I find the content so difficult to parse through that I rarely use it, despite having a lot of content I like.
Goronmon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are so many easy improvements Amazon could make to their UI it's almost impressive how little they seem to care about their platform. Basic stuff like grouping seasons of a show together instead of treating them as separate shows in the UI. It's ridiculous.
Basic stuff like grouping seasons of a show together instead of treating them as separate shows
PREACH! We tried watching the Man in the High Castle and accidentally ended up watching the first episode of season 2 instead of season 1, we were suuuuper confused until we realized why we had no idea what was going on.
Between Hulu and Amazon Prime, I have all the movies and TV I really want, and i find myself with Netflix just for their "Netflix originals". I'm finding myself ready to treat it like I do HBO, wait for 1 month a year after everything has been released, then binge and cancel.
yehti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't like Hulu for the "pay extra for no ads" but finally committed to it after seeing their library grow. Now my streaming is split 80% Hulu, 20% Netflix. Won't think twice about dropping Netflix if I start seeing ads.
Hulu had ads on like 6 shows total. The rest r ad free.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. I pay for Netflix. If I'm paying for a service I don't want to feel restricted or taken advantage of.
Even with Netflix's Ads and mishandling of them, their self playing trailers, and dumping recycled content for new content they don't bother me. Then again, maybe it's because I genuinely believe they're still trying to break molds and not just bring cable to internet, like Hulu.
Paying $10 a month doesn't give you the right to access all content. If the content isn't on netflix, it's partly because Netflix didn't want to pay for it.
Netflix aren't trying to do anything except make money.
pupomin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be sticking to pirating. My brain is not for sale.
For people like this guy: Consider buying the DVD set of the stuff you like to see, then put the pirated stuff on your own Plex server so you can stream it to all your devices.
It's a little more work, but you're supporting the people who make the stuff you want to watch, and still get to stream it. Also you can watch reruns all you like on your local network without impacting your bandwidth limits (my household had 8 people and we were regularly topping 1.5TB per month download. Cox started enforcing their caps, so I went the Plex route, very happy with it).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's free Hulu with a ton of ads and very limited selection.
Or, you can pay money and still get ads, but better selection (they still randomly limit episodes and seasons and won't always let you watch the entire series).
Or, you can pay even more money for the "ad free" version, in which case, you STILL GET ADS.
There are only 6 shows that still have ads on the ad free version, which they are contractually obligated to show ads for. And it's only at the beginning and end, not the middle. Hulu has actually really improved their library lately, I've been using it more than Netflix recently. Other than those 6 shows, everything else in their catalogue is actually ad free.
Yeah... Its mostly shit from ABC anyway. Once Upon a Time and whatnot.
Freon424 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's five fucking shows that have ads on them and it's 10 seconds at the start. That's it. Agents of SHIELD is the only show of the 5 that's good and you can watch past seasons on Netflix with no ads.
Source: Me, who gladly paid the $4 a month to get rid of the ads and dealt with a 10 second Agents of SHIELD ad telling me to watch it live on Friday at 9/8 central before starting my Agents of SHIELD episode.
Source: Me, who gladly paid the $4 a month to get rid of the ads and dealt with a 10 second Agents of SHIELD ad telling me to watch it live on Friday at 9/8 central before starting my Agents of SHIELD episode.
I was kinda maybe on board with you until this line. Now you're the advertiser. They got into your head and now you are they.
Freon424 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lawlz. If I'm a "they," so be it. I'll put it up front when I subscribe to something or pay for something. Doing otherwise is disingenuous to anyone reading my post. Folks wanna rag on Hulu for their shitty, shitty UI? Go for it. Folks acting like ad free Hulu still has them watching 25 minutes of ads every hour? Those guys can get fucked cause they don't subscribe and they can't read. Hulu even explains up front that it's a couple of shows who's licensing agreements forbade them from changing their model until the contract was up. That said, I would not subscribe to Hulu at their $8 offering. I tried and it was no different than watching cable. Worse even cause it's the same 3 minutes of a single commercial over and over again. If an extra $4 a month to save hours of your life every month ain't worth it, I don't know what to tell you.
This thing standing here used to be an actual human being before they got to him. Let's have a moment of silence in memory of Freon424, fellas. Never forget what they did to him.
Guessing you didn't see the post about a guys show getting spoiled by an ad for said show?
Besides, it's a slippery slope. Only a few shows now. Most shows later on. 10 seconds now. 30 seconds later on. If we wanted ads instead of content, we would pay for cable.
It's because of a preexisting deal with ABC specifically for new girl, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, getting away with murder and once upon a time. It's not a slippery slope they've literally been going the opposite direction with ads
I pay the full price for Hulu and havenโt seen an ad yet. I donโt watch a ton of new television, mostly just animeโs, cooking shows, and futurama, but still I think your criticism of Hulu is unwarranted. I prefer it to Netflix due to breadth of choice already.
ChaosAE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mostly stream anime, a few years ago Hulu was easily the best for that. Netflix... well has always been shit for me
If you dont watch new girl, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, getting away with murder or once upon a time you will never see an add. Hulu licensing deals prevent them from always having all the episodes. Hulu doesnt own the content however it's pretty rare to have shows that are incomplete the way you described it
You pay for ad free, you should get ad free. Not 99% ad free.
Hulu is the one that made the licensing deals. It's not like they didn't have a say in the matter. Notice Netflix isn't missing the first seasons of shows.
When I had Hulu I got sick and tired of starting a new show only to have the first season removed before I had finished it, or wanting to watch a show but finding out that for unfathomable reasons you had to start in at season 4.
Hulu is the one that made the licensing deals. It's not like they didn't have a say in the matter.
Yeah they did have a say which is how they got the shows at all the owners and distributors of the shows and content also get a say to it's not a one way street.
Netflix until relatively recently had far more bargaining power than hulu did. Might as well compare crackle and shit too since you're comparing apples to oranges
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Hulu.
Pretty much. I'm a big baseball fan and won't subscribe to MLB.Tv because I'm blacked out from 6 teams, despite being 4+ hours away from any of them. I also won't watch their free feeds because they replay ads over and over. If I stream a subscriber's, I don't have to deal with either and I save $140 a year. Which I use in gas and hotel to go to an actual game, 4 hours away.
wildfyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for mlb.tv, just for my team since I live out of our market, but I think this is my last year. The subreddits for MLB and NBA free streams are excellent, unlike NFL which is a shitshow.
Smuttly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think at this point Iโm gonna switch to Hulu full time and just hop onto Netflix when new seasons of Bojack Horseman or Stranger Things are released.
MoistGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has TLA??
mujie123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I basically use Hulu now and am really close to ending my Netflix subscription. Thereโs a few originals I like, Last Chance U, Orange is the New Black, Impossible kimmy Schmidt so maybe Iโll just renew for like a month, watch what I want then end it again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As non American :'(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but hulu is owned by the cable company's. I'll just stick to watching stuff on putlocker
I switched to Hulu and Iโve never been happier. All the shows I missed are available again. The interface is better and prettier; at least on my Xbox. And thereโs just a better choice of shows overall. Hulu > Netflix nowadays.
I've been getting a thing lately. Married with Children specifically. It says you can't stream the show unless you sign up for Hulu with live TV. No thank you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is not completely ad free if you're watching a more current show or s season that is still airing.
Certain shows still have an ad at the beginning of the episodes.
Go get a drink and enjoy your now completely ad free experience.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't complaining. Just clarifying. I'm not really bothered by ads as long as they're minimal. Don't interrupt what I'm watching mid episode/movie and don't do more than one, maaaaaaybe two at a time and I'm fine.
Fuck comcast, NBC, fox, universal, etc and everyone else who owns hulu.
They could have not tried to destroy streaming and just adapted much earlier on.
I will never use Hulu because the owners are cancer. You honestly think that hulu will stay ad free? These are the same people that charge you money for cable, then play ads over it.
The large networks are trying to kill netflix, and when they do ads will come rushing back. Regardless of how much you pay.
I ended my subscription immediately after being forced to watch adds while watching archer even though I was paying for the no adds subscription. That conversation with customer service was so dumb. โHello Iโm seeing adds on the no adds planโ โYes there are some adds on the no adds planโ stupid.
Well if you happen to have Amazon prime or you are currently a student (you can get a year of prime for free with a student email) then it's all free game!
That's because Hulu is owned by the networks and they pulled all of these shows from Netflix so that they could make money more directly via Hulu.
We will all be dead before any of the shows mentioned in this thread are in the public domain and can be watched without getting squeezed by any of the big media companies.
This is exactly the principle that has me against ads on Netflix to begin with. The new model is, I pay you money and get ad free or I get ads but the content is free. Hulu switching to a paid with ads model as their base and a paid without ads as their premium was too greedy for my liking and I have refused Hulu out of principle ever since.
Similarly, if Netflix adopts a model like this I'd be hardpressed to continue using their service and far more inclined to sail the high seas once more.
Hulu's paid without ads is like a dollar more than Netflix's two screen plan. Netflix just wants to take advantage of you while dropping all of the shows worth glancing at.
Netflix just wants to take advantage of you while dropping all of the shows worth glancing at.
I'll defend Netflix just a touch in that they are trying to produce new original content at the expense of maintaining the licensing for all the shows we originally subscribed to Netflix to watch.
None of what you said is wrong but if Netflix was just raising prices while cutting services (i.e. the Comcast model) that'd be heinous while what they are really doing is a pretty big business gamble (original content) that may pay off to the tune of billions and may bankrupt them.
More to the point, I believe all the "ads" on Netflix are for their original content rather than soap and erectile disfunction pills
I just wish they'd put out more interesting original content. Most of their "original" content are actually just shows they bought the rights to that show on TV in other countries.
Hulu has the stuff because it is owned by a conglomerate of media companies (like Disney) and they are pulling all of the content that they have rights to off of Netflix so that you have to watch it on Hulu.
considering they are pushing to kill NN, and Hulu has been trying to push ads into their services at every opportunity... i doubt it. But hey, if you want to wish and hope that Hulu pinky promises not to fall back into old habits then go right ahead
Luckily Netflix is as large as they are because competition is keeping hulu honest for now, but if hulu "wins" the streaming market through exclusive contracts for all cable created content then they will start to revert back to the old model.
Netflix knows what the cable companies are doing, and that they could have the rug pulled out from under them if all of their tv show contracts expire which is why they have invested a crazy amount of money into original content.
The worst part is the new Disenchantment series is pretty shitty. For those hoping for a medieval Futurama you'll be disappointed. It feels more like a lazy fanfic than anything original or funny.
It's on Hulu. Well, I watched it a month ago on there. This is what I do to make it so I don't feel as bad when one streaming service is shitty for a while - I pay for Hulu w/ HBO & let my friend & aunt have their own accounts on it & in turn, my aunt gives me $15 Hulu gift cards 3 or 4 times a year & then my friend pays for Netflix & let's me have an account on it. So find someone to split services with. If Amazon is ever more appealing, I'm gonna just have my aunt pay for that & stop getting Hulu cards.
People dont realize this. Everyone wants to hop in on the OTT video since netflix proved it viable. They are pulling licences to show on thier own app, which is why netflix has to push originals to stay competitive
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:47:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their parent company owns a majority stake in Hulu
Ergheis ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And there's lots of sudden love for Hulu in here.
Nihil94 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:53:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Hulu is picking up on all the slack that Netflix is dropping.
Especially with having a decent way to browse for shows, versus Netflix who will have the same shows in 10 different categories.
The only thing keeping me using Netflix is The Office, Arrested Development, and the Marvel movies. And the Marvel movies will be gone when Disney gets there streaming service up.
And Hulu actually recommends shows I've actually liked, not just the same five of their own series Every time I log in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Hulu is picking up on all the slack that Netflix is dropping.
Is it really dropping the slack when Netflix isn't being allowed to renew the contracts? Don't you think Netflix would love to have the shows that they know will draw in high numbers of users?
Nihil94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more about how awful it is to browse on Netflix rather than the shows they have or don't have, since that's out of their hands.
kmrst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point. Netflix wants these shows desperately, but cable companies own Hulu, so they don't let Netflix buy the streaming rights.
Nihil94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more to do with Netflix's layout for me. Browsing Netflix is abysmal. I'll look at 10 different categories, and fine way to many of the same titles in each category.
The sudden love for Hulu is because all of the good shows are being removed from Netflix and moved over to Hulu.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix still has a better movie selection. Really, I don't see what the big deal is as long as they're not invasive. Pay for whichever one/ones you like the content of better.
Yeah I don't disagree there. I honestly pay for both so I have the best of both worlds there. I just see a lot of the shows I used to watch on Netflix suddenly on Hulu instead.
Hulu has a no commercials plan which is the same price as Netflix. Thereโs only 6 shows that still get an ad; getting away with murder, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, new girl and once upon a time.
The no commercials plan is the same price as Netflix.
snegtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, and by the time I get done paying for netflix, hulu, amazon prime and youtube red/sling/whateverthefuck I'll be paying the exact same amount as I would if i had cable t.v.
And people wonder why someone would find less-than-legal ways of obtaining entertainment content.
Honestly, a decent chunk of shows people say are gone are still here in Canada. I'm starting to suspect Canadian Netflix is the best version.
My spouse is American and we were long distance for a while, so I got to compare them a bit. There's a handful of things I wanted on US Netflix, but far more on Canadian Netflix.
US Netflix is getting fucked over the same way every other aspects of our lives are getting fucked over. It's getting nickel and dimed and premium-serviced to death. Not Netflix itself, but the media companies that used to be happy to let Netflix stream their shows but pulled out once they saw how much money there was to be made.
You get Netflix for a handful of shows, the Star Trek streaming service for ST:Discovery, Disney's forthcoming streaming app for Star Wars, MCU, and kid's movies, Hulu for TV binging, Crunchyroll for Anime, Amazon for another handful of shows, Britbox for your British shows, HBO Now for GoT, etc etc.
It's an economic Tragedy of the commons where American's disposable income is the resource and every company out there wants an unsustainable portion of it.
It's more expensive now to watch all your favorite shows than it was when we just paid $100/mo for a premium cable lineup. I'd wager we've got a new golden age of piracy coming up the likes of which we haven't seen since the early days of Pirate Bay.
Forget breaking up the monopolies. The Media/Telecom industry needs to be taken out back and beaten to death with a rusty morningstar.
Seriously it's because it takes money to make the shows.
Now that online viewing is becoming the major component, stations have to make up for lost cable revenue by increasing online revenue. Otherwise stations will go out of business, and shows will stop being produced.
Netflix saw the writing on the wall 4-5 years ago when they weren't able to renew contracts and started pumping out "Netflix Originals" to keep ahead of losing all their content.
Nothing can make me go back to having commercials every 5 minutes, then 2 minutes of recap, then 2 minutes of show, then back to commercial. Nevermind commercials in fucking movies. Last time I pet sat at my moms it reminded me why I gkt rid of cable in the first place
I believe the standard is 18 minutes now. And thats counting the intro title sequence if the show has one
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the reason I use Roku over the cable box is because cable's On-Demand sucks ass. You have to make sure to record everything you want to watch which is annoying. Cable could absolutely come back if they were able to offer an On Demand service on par with streaming services....like, at the very least, cable's premiums on demand (HBO, Showtime, Starz) should match their 'GO' counterparts...
Seriously I canโt keep up with all of the subscription services and they all have exclusives. I canโt afford HBO, Youtube Red, Spotify, Apple Music, Google Play Music, Netflix, Hulu, Youtube / SlingTV, ESPN Plus, PlayStation Plus, Amazon prime and the eventual Disney platform. The next massive online company is going to offer a streaming rotation bundle with mass buys for people who canโt afford them all at once and donโt want to subscribe / unsubscribe every month. (For the record I donโt have all of those concurrently)
I cancelled my subscription back when they cracked down on vpns because I'm in Canada and our netflix was an absolute joke. Granted that's about 2 years ago now, maybe it's improved, but it used to be terrible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I used to love VPNs. I'd switch between US, UK and Canada to see if the movie I wanted to watch was on any of them. Or just browse.
Netflix Canada is solidly mediocre now (where before it was garbage and not worth the money). IDK if it's worth the money now, but I'm kind of attached to the convenience and there's a few shows I like that are on there, so it's staying for now. But ads + more shows disappearing + a million shit-quality Netflix Originals, if that all happens I'll probably discontinue eventually.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand it really. It's still one company holding the rights to air, right? Why not put everything they own a license for on every 'version'? I see a bunch of upsides and really no negatives...I'll assume it has to do with national copyright laws or something?
I must have gotten lucky then, the first free one I found on Google in 2013 is still working for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Keep that shit and baby it and treat it kindly! I use a VPN permanently on my computer for work purposes that I can't disable, and just last week Netflix hit mine with the block
I'm not really sure. I don't think so. We do have Prime (I checked it once on a free trial and it was garbage). I do know some people who have Crave (usually with Netflix), which seems to have some of the biggies that are popular on Hulu and HBO. I haven't tried that personally, but have considered it for the future (they have a few shows I'm very interested in).
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't miss much. I literally got bored halfway through it airing, still have to finish the last 4 on Kodi, but have zero desire to. These Dream seasons are absolute shit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FX is owned by Fox which also owns a majority stake in Hulu
(And just replace Fox with Disney once the deal takes effect)
For Netflix to have enough revenue to outbid Hulu, and get back a lot of other content they lost, they might need to do something like show some ads. I wonder which one would upset their subscribers more...
Iโm not planning on configuring some convoluted way of setting up a VPN through my Android tv so that I can watch the shows I actually want to on a service that I pay for that has decided to show not-ads to their customers. I like Archer, The Office, and The Clone Wars enough to actually buy the dvds although Iโll have to slowly phase them in because money.
Yeah man I just started IASIP when they removed it. I was on episode 4 and was loving it then was very disappointed when I discovered it gone. Not willing to buy Hulu for it though.
Basically everything I used Netflix for. I'm done with Netflix. I don't see how they thought they could bring more bs in, drop all the good shows, and slowly increase prices without people ditching.
They charge for cable because it was supposed to be ad free.
Once they get enough subs on hulu, or whatever parameters their people have set, they'll start brainfucking their viewers with commercials again.
I don't know why people are willing to support hulu. The cable companies had their chance to adapt, wait over a decade, and are now using their monopoly power to destroy the competition.
I don't know why people are willing to support hulu/netflix/youtube with their egregious design philosophies.
Okay, I do know why, but I feel like the world would be a better place if people had more energy and free time to raise a stink about these awful things that don't seem so bad on the surface.
That's their intent. They want to put Netflix out of business so that only network owned streaming services are major contenders (watch them go after Amazon eventually) so they can recreate cable packages and prices and other bullshit that made us leave all that in the first place.
And you need a cable subscription (or use your parents/grandparents subscription info) to see many Hulu shows
Edit: If you want to watch certain shows day after airing, Fox shows as an example, you need a linked cable subscription. Otherwise you have to wait a week.
PMach ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:01:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? That's patently false.
Hulu isn't live TV though. At least not anymore. Plenty of shows release just like Netflix where they release the whole season at once when it's done airing.
You do have to pay extra for like Showtime/HBO style packages though and I find that annoying. I'm not paying $15 to watch GoT.
PMach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, interesting. Yeah, that little perk isn't worth having cable.
It went to Hulu along with most of the other shows leaving Netflix.
If you do manage start it there, give it some slack through season 1. It doesn't really come into its own until at least season 2. Gradually improves and most of the best episodes are in the later seasons.
I was so surprised by how much I ended up loving Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I put it on one day while I was home sick. Just wanted something on in the background while I drifted in and out of sleep that I didn't need to pay much attention to. The first several episodes were cheesy and pretty much met my expectations. But somewhere along the way the show really matured and introduced a lot of great character development, deeper storylines, and comic relief and I found myself binging all seven seasons in a relatively short amount of time. Don't get me wrong, it retains a certain level of cheesiness throughout the entire series, but I really fell in love with the characters and honestly the cheesiness is part of the charm!
I had a friend who kept trying to convince us to watch it, and we all kept rolling our eyes at him. "Sure man, we're all gonna watch some hokey high-school drama with low-budget action sequences based on a mediocre movie."
Then Firefly came out and we were all blown away by it. He was like "um, guys, that's the same writer as Buffy, with the same writing style." We groaned and said "fine, we'll give Buffy a chance."
18 years later I've now watched Buffy start to finish at least 3 times and would put it in my top 10 shows of all time.
It was almost too ahead of its time. You could put the later seasons on TV now as "new shows" and they'd still hold up, even though Buffy premiered in 1996.
It really defined the sort of simultaneously quirky irreverence, while maintaining absolute sincerity for its own lore, that has gone from niche nerd TV to popular genre fare in the intervening 20 years, and still defines a lot of popular blockbuster cinema, like the Marvel movies.
Edit: Which it occurs to me, isn't surprising, since Joss Whedon wrote the first two Avengers movies.
I watched the first ~3 seasons of it a few years ago. Never got around to finishing it. I didn't quite connect with it the same way I did with Buffy. Is it worth finishing?
I've been finding a lot of popular shows need to be given the 1 season treatment. The first show we had to do this with was Star Trek: TNG, where we knew the show was supposed to be great, but god the first season was so painful to get through. We've since adopted the "TNG treatment" for new shows and it has helped us suffer through stuff like the beginning of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and The Office to get to the good stuff.
Agreed. Parks and Rec gets off to a weak start too.
Sports Night (Aaron Sorkin pre-West Wing) is one of my top favorites too, but the pilot has a bad laugh track (later on series ditches the laugh track completely) and the acting seems kind of strained and exaggerated. Have to get a few episodes in before they find their footing.
My usual rule now is to watch at least 3 episodes before making up my mind on a new show. Powering through a whole season though is a pretty tough ask unless you have multiple people reassuring you that it does get way better.
In the case of TNG, we knew that it was a good show, and my wife even remembered it being good (she saw a lot of it growing up). She knew that it started off "slow", which was an understatement as season 1 was painful. After that hump it definitely picked up, so we've been willing to give long-running shows the chance for the cast to figure out their roles and start to click with each other. Usually that only takes a few episodes, sometimes it takes the whole first season. AoS was especially bad and cringy up until halfway through season 1, then the show felt like it did a 180.
Oh yea, that part sucks for sure. But I was just trying to mention that they actually have the show since Netflix doesnโt anymore.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:04:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except that those commercials for their shows can be skipped. At least they can in the platforms I use (Amazon on a web browser and the Amazon prime video iphone app).
I've gotten unskippable ads on desktop and the Xbox app for Amazon. Which is pretty high up the list of reasons I'm planning on dumping prime when my account is up.
jopnk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
do you just not use amazon for anything else? I've had prime for years for the free shipping and whatnot, but I didn't even realize you get the video and music with you subscription until a few months ago
That's kinda hilarious. I don't know how you could use Amazon and not be aware of Prime Video.
I've been a prime subscriber since before there was a streaming service. Just like you, I originally subscribed for the "free" shipping. But service and selection have gotten worse, they have a pretty significant counterfeit problem, package delivery has been pretty spotty (which is not necessarily on them, all the time), and Prime Shipping is anywhere from next day to next week nowadays, so it really doesn't mean much. I've tried the music service, and it didn't have content that interested me. Prime Video is okay, but I think only okay. Combined with the price increase, I just don't think the services are worth the total price anymore.
jopnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was aware of it but I just assumed it was cheap rentals or stuff I wouldn't be interested in watching. Never paid any attention to it until the Grateful Dead doc came out and I realized it was the only way to watch it outside of an illegal streaming service or torrent. I agree with you on everything else for the most part tho
I watch mostly on my Xbox and I think you can fast forward thru them. Theyโre like 5-10 seconds long so I donโt even bother. They donโt really bug me much in all honesty since theyโre so short and only at the start.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, one of those commercials got me interested in Mrs. Maisel. All I had seen before was the picture ads and I thought it was some cutesy show about something I wouldn't be interested. (Same thing happened with Netflix's Santa Clarita Diet). I really enjoyed both shows, for different reasons and I wouldn't have given them a try just from the cover art.
Iโm on the 3rd season of the Americans and Iโve never seen a promo or ad between episodes. HBO does it though.
erial_ck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are 100% skippable ads at least. And I did find my new favourite show because of them so I can't really complain.
danjr321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one not mad about seeing an ad for another show before the episode? I don't get random ads every 10 minutes during the show so i am fine with one ad for another piece of their content before an episode plays.
Amazon Video is generally complete shit (at least here in Canada) but they do have 30 Rock, I am watching it now for the first time. They also have P&R.
Might be different in the US though since you guys have Hulu.
I was saddened when they removed Psych. I'm currently on my first rewatch of the series through amazon video which is included if you have amazon prime.
Also I'm learning that Netflix had Avatar at some point!
d3gree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's the point but their own lineup of shows is really good. Glow, Orange is the New Black ,Season 1 of Stranger Things, I actually like the newest Arrested Development. People bitch about cable and netflix not having what they want when all they want is cable shit.
RIP Top Gear too. Netflix catalog here in Italy is scarce to begin with, the declining quality of their mass production and the sprinkle of advertisement were enough to make me cancel earlier this month
Hulu has taken on a bunch of these shows, Iโm not trying to say buy a subscription but if you get rid of Netflix or like me already had a sub and never used it, you can get your fill. Iโm keeping Netflix til that 70s show and the ranch leave and then Iโm done lol they got rid of the best shit
Koriania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally all of these are on Amazon prime - free streaming if you have prime.
erial_ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm watching Psych at the moment on Amazon Prime (in Canada). It's great for finding slightly older shows.
Bpande20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I commented this further down, but thought it might help if more people see it. This website has a bunch of good shows (e.g. Avatar), and you can suggest new ones to be added.
Kamahoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Psych, monk, and all the old USA shows are on Amazon prime video so if you got that you can still watch them :)
iPlod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar was actually recently brought back to Netflix, but I think itโs in Canada only.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt remove them. The companies that own them do.
icemoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
tbf some if not most aren't their fault. When a company gets greedy and wants more money for their shows because they know netflix will back out at their exorbitant prices of tripling what it was before because they want to make thier own platform. Its like when mcdonalds remove the mcrib because pork prices too high, cant get mad cause you both know you wont pay 8.79 for a mcrib meal when the shits 4$ before
The cost of Hulu + Netflix is still less than cable and if you're dropping Netflix for a piece of product awareness content then you might as well pick up Hulu. Plus free two day shipping and a bunch of other benefits makes Prime more than worth it. So yes, you're dropping one service to access another service and adding a second service that does way more than providing streaming content.
Sw429 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, I didn't think about how prime is more than just video :)
f_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not their choice to keep or remove popular third-party content. Their competitors don't want to make it easy for Netflix to compete. Their money doesn't go as far as it used to when signing deals.
Unfortunately a lot of the ones people are listing are not the fault of Netflix. That is Disney's fault. Disney owns Fox and Hulu, so any Fox/FX shows and many other Disney shows have been/will be pulled so they can be on Hulu
Old media is trying to squeeze Netflix of their library and takeover. See: Hulu. It's a simple business strategy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to sound like a troll, but if you want to watch the same shows more than once, why not just buy the DVDs? I use Netflix to watch shows I've never seen before.
w_v ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're being contractually forced to remove the shows I like. RIP Psych, 30 Rock, and Avatar the Last Airbender
Half the time I open Netflix to find something to watch I end up not finding anything, closing it, and finding something more productive to do.
XanXic ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:54:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do this and it's because the interface is chaotic and the auto play trailers are assaulting.
Why can I not just open it up and it be on my Watchlist? What's the point of a list I create when I have to scroll up from the start for it. "oh it's not there" Guess I'll have to scroll down until it shows up. Music and trailers blaring because the interface pauses on every row as you cycle through so it can load for that square.
I don't like it anymore. I can't just pop on and boot up what I want to watch. A lot of my favorite bingeable/background shows are gone Futurama/IASIP. And I feel like I'm looking at about 80 titles in different orders in different rows with music going the whole time.
I need a fucking "pinned" watch list and auto trailers disabled.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:46:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I hate the autoplay trailers. Especially because there's no way to stop them!!!
Yes, so much this! I was just ranting about this the other day. I paused one show in the living room and loaded up Netflix in my bedroom to continue where I left off while getting ready for bed. You'd think that your mid-session show would be the first thing on the list with a button, "Resume watching," displayed. Nope, it wants to blare some new Netflix Original #12039320498 in my face while making the Last Played/Continue Watching bar as unintuitive and annoying to find as possible.
I think Netflix is great because we just use my father-in-law's account. If I had to pay for it I'm not sure I'd be that keen on a service I fire up twice a week at most, now. That being said they do produce several things a year I get pretty hyped about.
I can't relate to this at all. My Netflix watch list has over a hundred items on it and it grows faster than it shrinks. The catch is that the "way to use Netflix" is to browse it freely to find things that interest you, not search for specific things (which odds are, won't be there).
The hard part for me, honestly, is committing to starting a new show. Same with starting a new video game. It can be easier to just watch something I know I love (like Archer, Bob's Burgers, or Brooklyn 99). Also, I find that there's too many longer TV shows vs shorter ones. I often find myself thinking "ok, I want a short episode of something before bed" but everything on my list is hour long TV (well, technically usually 45-ish minutes because no commercials) or even longer movies.
No it's not, if so they are treating a symptom not the cause, The cause is their programming availability has been steadily decreasing in quality for the past two years. It's now an anime and Netflix Original channel that can show other shows and movies sometimes to. Sometimes Netflix shows are great, sometimes not at all
rlbond86 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The cause is their programming availability has been steadily decreasing in quality for the past two years.
That's a symptom too.
Netflix got big and had tons of content because the networks and studios greatly underestimated the value of streaming. They signed contracts with Netflix for very little money.
Now everybody and their mother wants to get into the streaming game, so they've raised prices enormously, so Netflix can't afford nearly as much programming anymore.
ChaosAE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they have a shit anime selection and don't simulcast so they really can't hit that market very hard. Yes they have a few classics but that is it really. As for originals, none of them have impressed me so far.
jaigon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It does suck, but then again, paying $10 for Netflix will always be better than $70+ for comcast.
I like anime and some of the originals, so I don't really mind. Am now thinking about Hulu or Amazon, are they any better than Netflix?
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you order more than 10 items a year from Amazon, Prime is a No-Brainer...the video selection is..different..than Netflix or Hulu. Lots of older classics, a few good original series, then Vikings and Hannibal are all I use the video for. But again, Prime's other perks are often overlooked.
Hulu, absolutely. They most likely have what you can't find on Netflix, and they've been scooping up licenses that expire on Netflix (Archer, IASIP, Futurama, etc).
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah it was, I can't believe THE HISTORY CHANNEL produced it...between Vikings and Hannibal alone it's worth grabbing for a month or two, and then you got The Man in the High Castle, Electric Sheep, something's I'm forgetting, and some really good (and some laughably bad) documentaries.
Their movie selection has gotten a lot better this year. I agree though, for shows - which you'd think would be the life blood of the service, they're seriously behind.
They need to start producing more stuff that are geared towards that crowd - Passing on Brooklyn Nine Nine was one of the biggest mistakes they've made recently. I think they should take a year and just produce nothing but shows. If they could generate a "The Office" or "Breaking Bad" caliber show or two they'd be set.
antillus ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:13:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think what a lot of people want in 2018 are TV shows that are funny and smart, but low drama. This is why Brooklyn 99 was so great..it was inoffensive and easy watching in a really shitty year. I also really liked Community.
After a stressful day at work with a bunch of drama in the news and everywhere else, I just want to come home and watch something chill that I don't have to expend too much mental energy on.
You know what I'd be real interested to see and am somewhat flabbergasted isn't yet a thing - Netflix sponsoring short films by bigger names.
Imagine a 20 minute Wes Andersen film. A 20 minute Christopher Nolan film. Hell give actors with an interest in film making a shot - BJ Novak (Ryan from the Office) Ryan Gosling (he directed the second unit on Only God Forgives).
Call it "Netflix Presents" or something like that and offer up some contests for budding film makers to submit their films to be considered alongside.
I think now is the time that short films should really shine, but few "big names" are producing them and so few people consider them to be a serious form of art, but shows like Breaking Bad have shown us that content meant for the small screen can be just as amazing if not more so than the stuff that ends up on the big screen.
Personally I would love that, but short films are an incredibly unpopular art form. Pretty much every attempt to bring them into the mainstream has failed (although Pixar had some brief success).
Hulu has a series from Rocketjump where the first half of an episode is a making of documentary for a short film and the second half is the actual short film.
The only problem is that it's always the same people working on everything. I'd love something similar where a studio gives some amateur filmmaker a modest budget to make whatever 20-30 minute film they want and document the whole thing.
That's the thing though - Netflix HAS the money. They did 26 episodes of House of Cards for ~100 million. Meaning about 4 million per episode.
If that's what they're willing to spend on their highest quality content it's definitely more than enough. Seeing as how a lot of short films could be done in just a few locations, few company moves, and with a shorter script you're talking a week of production (or less) instead of the typical 30-45 days.
It absolutely makes business sense for Netflix who can build a library of exclusives from big names, and for the directors who could easily get paid a million of that 4 mil budget (and netflix would still be well under that 4 Mil price point even).
I think youโre spot on bro, shit that has me thinking about the plot and having to constantly process little details and whatnot makes me feel anxious, literally. I constantly have that 70s show or something similar streaming because I donโt have to focus on it if I get busy.
This is why I'm rewatching Star Trek TNG. It's a hopeful show and nice to think that some people still believe in the idea that human beings could find some kind of post-scarcity utopia some day.
This is why I liked parks and rec, 30rock, and to a lesser extent the office (not that i enjoyed the office less, just sometimes it took a bit more 'effort' to endure because of stuff likes scotts tots).
I don't want my comedies to have drama shit in them, I'm watching them to laugh.
Like in parks and rec when ben took april to washington (or wherever), in any other comedy they'd have had it turn into an affair, ruin the entire dynamic of the show and characters relationships, and make the whole thing a stinking drama.
You shouldn't have to worry about that sort of shit when watching a comedy. I've got enough bullshit in my own life, I don't need fictional tv characters causing me to feel bad.
Banch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I know shows like American Dad and Futurama aren't the smartest thing or have the greatest plots ever but I don't want that. I'm looking for monster of the week kinda episodes from my shows.
I dunno, I watched Billions, Westworld, Altered Carbon, Game of Thrones, Big Little Lies, Handmaid's Tale, Bojack, This is Us, Black Mirror, Marvelous Miss Maisel, Mr. Robot, and just started Suits.
Out of the comedies I've seen this year: Silicon Valley, Archer, The Good Place, Rick and Morty, Curb, Big Mouth, Will and Grace, F is for Family, a lot of those were either heavy/dark comedy, or had a lot of drama in them.
I think it's the opposite, very very few shows were able to really be lighthearted optimistic comedy. Also in a lot of cases these just weren't very good years for those shows.
Honestly, it's pretty easy to find subtitles because there's wonderful communities that make subs for most languages. Googling "<movie or episode name> subs" will easily find one of them. Look for SRT files (anything else is probably malicious). A good media player (I like VLC) can play the subs fine. If your video or the subs are weird, you might have to resync the subs by giving them a slight offset. The odds of that can be avoided by looking for subs with a similar name as the video file.
Honestly, the subs are the easy part these days, I feel. Torrent sites have really declined in quality in recent years, presumably due to constant takedowns and the rise of legal streaming sites like Netflix (certainly I feel no need to use torrents if there's a streaming option).
VLC also has extensions for finding subs, you just open the video and select view->download subtitles, and the video title is already filled out in the search field. Click the desired language in the search results and the sub is automatically added.
Like how to get them or how to use them? Because really the answer is a Google search away.
rotide ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so this is my experience.
Start watching movie. Non-English dialog starts... Was I supposed to have subtitles? Sometimes they mean for you to not know what the exact words are and you get the gist from the emotion, etc.
More non-english. This time for an extended period.
Ok, now I'm supposed to have subtitles.
Pause the movie. Go into settings to see what SRT files my player sees (PleX). Oh, three labeled "English".
Select the first one. Have to rewind so we get the dialog we missed. Hit play and the foreign language is subtitled. Sweet!
But now ALL the dialog is subtitled. @#$(
Go back into settings and try the 2nd English one.
Woo, now it's just the foreign parts!
But sometimes it's the 3rd option and I've even had downloads which were all or nothing, forcing me to go out to a 3rd party site, download the SRT, upload it to the plex server, restart the movie to rescan for SRTs and then HOPE the SRT is appropriate (timed properly) for my version.
It's a fucking pain in the ass and I know how to use them.
Skadwick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This has been my solution to finding shows and movies that are too difficult to access otherwise. I went probably three or four years without torrenting and now I am being pushed back to it because paying for content has become too inconvenient again, or when it is convenient it is either over priced or riddled with ads.
For real. I will pay a dollar for an episode of whatever network show, but I'm not paying 3, that's just too much to ask for.
I fail to see how $10-15 for a season of your 20-30 minute episode show is not fair.
Here's an example, 30 rock. (which is actually quite reasonably priced because it's old and available on streaming sites)
Season 1 streaming, $3 an episode, or $18 for the season. Or you could just buy the DvD and actually OWN it for real for $10.
The complete series on DVD is $100. S1 18, S2-S7 20 each. So 138 dollars for the "privilege" of only being able to watch it on Amazon's platform.
Fuck you online entertainment pricing. If I can buy the DVD AND get a digital copy (as virtually everything comes with some retarded virtual copy on some defunct platform) for less than your online bullshit... you're not going to get my money.
I just don't understand why it's cheaper to actually buy something physical, actually own it for real, than it is to buy a license to watch it.
And until that changes I will not buy things (unless certain circumstances are met, movie with friends/the family or something like that) where I would be very willing to pay for the convenience if it was priced appropriately.
I'm sure they've done the math and the people willing to pay those prices more than make up for the people like me though. So really, they shouldn't complain about streaming or torrents since they're fully aware they're the problem.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't understand why it's cheaper to actually buy something physical, actually own it for real, than it is to buy a license to watch it.
Because people are seriously THAT lazy. They know they could go down to Best-Buy/Wal-Mart or even better, preowned from FYE(if they still exist) or a pawn shop (my personal favorite source for physical media, was able to get all 6 seasons' DVD sets of BrBa for $40....it takes a bit of luck, but there are so amazing deals to be had for physical media on the second hand market. Sadly, the bigger a town's drug problems, the better selection you'll find... :-), but why get up and actually go out and see real people when you can spend a bit more to start watching NOW (and only on that platform).
...like what? I mean it, if there's another way to watch a wide variety of content that's convenient, portable, and ad-free I'd love to know about it.
Edit: And not laughably expensive, like subscribing to cable. I'm happy to pay but come on now.
XanXic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could purchase the shows/movies digitally? I only say it because it IS a valid option instead of things like Netflix and still supports the show/movie. While it's pretty pricey it can be seen as a one time investment into owning the content that's easier to access than bluray's/DVD's.
Movies Anywhere really solves a lot of the problems buying movies from certain stores caused. And it's less work than pirating. You buy it and it's on everything you've linked your account to. Renting is pretty affordable.
But movies are the only thing I really look at, when you catch them on sale it's very worth it. TV Shows are expensive. I could understand their prices as a DVD box set back in the day but still trying to sell me a 12 year old show for $120 is fucking insane. I don't understand why TV shows in particular are so obscene in price.
Paying $20-30 to stream a season of TV is bullshit, demonstrated by every streaming service that exists, including the shit asshole cable companies themselves run.
While it's pretty pricey it can be seen as a one time investment into owning the content that's easier to access than bluray's/DVD's.
Until whatever service you've purchased from doesn't exist, or sells rights, or cancels your "ownership" for whatever reason.
Also, the idea of "investing" in a movie/tv show is laughable. Especially considering if you have no internet connection you're just fucked.
XanXic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paying $20-30 to stream a season of TV is bullshit, demonstrated by every streaming service that exists, including the shit asshole cable companies themselves run.
Yes, I said tv shows are expensive
Until whatever service you've purchased from doesn't exist, or sells rights, or cancels your "ownership" for whatever reason.
I thought about mentioning that but I thought that a new digital format (4k-8k-OMEGAHD!!!) would probably come out before Google, Apple or Amazon died. It's why I mentioned Blurays/DVD's, they are a good example of "investing in media" that's being phased out. I know it could happen but I haven't seen any example of ownership cancelled. The music service has been running off this model forever.
Also, the idea of "investing" in a movie/tv show is laughable. Especially considering if you have no internet connection you're just fucked.
You can't pirate without internet either. You can't stream Netflix without internet. You can download your purchased stuff for offline viewing. After you pirate you have it on your PC and Netflix allows you to download originals for offline viewing. They all need internet initially.
I didn't say it was the best option. I'm putting it out there as an option. People act like piracy has no downsides for anyone and is the only alternative to Netflix. It fucks over the shows you watch specifically because you aren't putting your eyes on it in a way the people who fund it can see or are giving them your money.
The best option would just be buy Blurays (New preferably) rip them yourself and setup a home media server. They get your money, you get the files and access. And the price isn't astronomical.
Arch_0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are not. Plus if you live outside the US enjoy having everything spoiled for you long before it reaches your country. Also most people don't want to pay for a dozen different streaming services which is the way the industry is heading.
I imagine piracy went down during the prime years of Netflix but as it loses more content to different services I'd bet piracy increases again.
Dude, if I'm watching a show online that finished years ago, I have no qualms with getting it for free. At that point, by buying it, I'm not rewarding the creative team for their work, or supporting the show in any way. All paying for it does is stuff some corporate pockets - and when my choice is doing that or getting it for free, I find it entirely morally reasonable to get it for free.
I highly recommend The Crown and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. These two are easily the best shows Netflix made (though Schmidt is an NBC production but it still counts).
Mindhunter and Bojack Horseman are also good but nothing too extraordinary. Also even though I personally don't like it you might want to give Stranger Things a shot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:23 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I lied when I said I don't watch any, my gf and I just finished season two of the Crown earlier. I used to watch BJH but I stopped a few seasons ago
Most of them really fizzle out halfway through the season and a disappointing. This goes for most of the popular ones too. They all start with an interesting premise and characters and just fall flat.
The worst part is their organization system. Tons of repeated shows in different genres and it's very difficult to search past 200 shows/movies unless you make a huge investment of time.
I take turns on streaming subs. Use Netflix for a year, cancel and use Amazon, cancel and use Now TV, cancel and go back to Netflix. Helps keep contect fresh.
My wife wanted Hulu, we bummed on familyโs Netflix, so I paid a year and now we find ourselves 90% of the time being on Hulu and only really going to Netflix to check a show someone recommends. I feel like Netflix is garbage about actually showing you shows similar to what you have already watched. Watch all comedy here is a 90% match for a romance movie that we are pushing for money, at least thatโs how it feels.
Almost all Fox and disney shows are leaving... Nothing left to watch other than stranger things in october...> really don't know why I waste the money on the service... and if they do start showing commercials, then fuck it, i'll just go back to cable so I have all the choices in shows I want.
As soon as all of Star Trek is off of Netflix so am I. That is the only reason I still use it.
roeder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh well, I got a great internet connection now and a vpn. I loved paying for Netflix and the likes for no ads and such, but Iโll start pirating again then.
This is so true. They definitely have a lot of content, but I hate having to scroll through tons of bullshit to find something to watch. Itโs honestly almost not even worth the subscription anymore.
Honestly if it weren't for BoJack Horseman I wouldn't have a reason to keep my subscription. That and the X-Files are the only things I watch and last I checked they took X-Files off
I've been moving away more and more. I do use it for my kids though. They watch kids content on Netflix all the time, which is basically the only reason I haven't canceled. If I didn't have kids, I wouldn't bother paying for Netflix anymore. Every so often there will be a show or documentary that interests me, but at that point I might as well just stream it via other means.
123full ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They just added disenchantment which is great so check that out
It's batshit crazy to me that you still can't even look at a full list of shows by genre without going to a (probably out of date) third party website
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wanson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they should highlight some of their content for you so you can find new stuff to watch?
Yeah, itโs really not worth it anymore. I use Hulu more than anything and I donโt mind commercials there only because I got it free as a student. Their โpay more for less commercialsโ Tiering system is awful.
Netflix needs a curator system like Steam where community members, personalities, and review sites can make their own lists, reviews, and recommendations that you can subscribe to. That system honestly fixed a lot of issues with Steam's front page being flooded with shit so you couldn't find games you might actually like.
THIS IS WHY THEYRE TRYING TO PUT IN PROMOTIONS FOR THEIR CONTENT. Do you not see the irony in your statement about what Netflix is doing?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since you have to either browse with the stupid horizontal sliders (which are always only a subset of all content in given category) or search specifically.
It's less and less what it used to be and more of a shit show every year. Basically just a "curated experience." We've passed through the golden era of streaming video services, IMO. Now they're all shattered into who owns what content rights.
Sucks. Disney will have their platform released soon, too, which is going to even further break things up.
jcy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the quality of their Marvel productions fell off the cliff after the 1st season of Daredevil. they made the other shows for middle aged feminists instead of real comics fans. like how the 2nd season of Jessica Jones didn't even have a villain, just a shitty arc
Iโm already annoyed that they play the goddamn trailers with loud music on the menu screen now. Canโt even respond to a text without your tv blaring music. This would definitely be another clue that they donโt really care what users want, and a last straw for me. Plus the lack of content besides Netflix Originals is getting depressing.
[deleted] ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 14:55:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely hate that autoplay trailer thing. I end up angrily smashing the mute button. I didn't think that nonsense would have lasted this long.
They are extremely data driven. If it didn't work, they'd turn it off.
Stormfly ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it works on me.
It's why I watched both Final Space and Insatiable.
I actually quite liked both so I'm both annoyed but accepting at the same time. It also made me add two others to my list that I'll probably watch over the next week. It's great when I have nothing to watch, but it's TERRIBLE when I don't want it.
I wish we could turn it on and off. Like an "I'm looking for something" button.
zsnesw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a brief period they had something like that. It asked a bunch of questions pertaining to what you might be feeling like watching and then spit out something. I really liked it. It always gave me something I hadnโt heard of. And if it was totally wrong/whatever it gave me was terrible, Iโd just go through it again or go back to endlessly scrolling but using some of those questions to think about what I really was in the mood for.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're a tech company. They have incredible sets of user data and can do A/B testing on pretty much any new feature to see how people respond to it. It's basically like focus groups but without any of the limitations. Almost any well-run website highly dependent on user experience will test stuff like this thoroughly before rollout.
The next step is moving away from A/B testing and moving toward AI.
And you're right, they won't talk about it much except for praising it - they usually won't tell you when they're doing it.
I usually just call things harsh negatives that I don't like. Maybe its a personal fault.
I just really, really don't like it when companies do this sort of shit. "Our customers are currently using our service for 10 hours a week, what can we do to ensure they use it for 15 hours a week?"
Its lame, its scummy, it undermines people's senses and manipulates them to sit in front of the screens for longer, and some motherfucker gets patted on the back and paid 70k a year for it. I don't like it.
Labubs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, what would your solution be? For both sides, a middle ground between the user experience and the company's profit?
It's certainly helped me, one of my big problems with Netflix stuff was that all you had to go on was a single title card and a 1 sentence description.
I quite enjoy being able to see a trailer, though I agree it should be toggle-able.
Yeah,two people complaining in the comments about here probably pales in comparison to the viewers it attracts.
Kenpari ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Trailers are honestly the biggest reason I watch a new show. I donโt mind sparse commercials with trailers; it helps me find new stuff to watch without having to wade through content.
Then they should have a trailer channel for people looking for new things to watch. Not blasting it out for people who are just trying to watch a show. At the very least they need to make it so you can disable it.
Kenpari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:20 on August 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is optional for now, at least. Hard to say in the future.
The infuriating part is they haven't allowed it to be turned off. It is such a slap in the face they didn't include a way to disable it. Netflix has gone from being one of my most admired companies to one of the worst.
Shorkan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I muted those trailers on PC the first day and they have been muted ever since. Is it happening to you in a different device?
Go to Netflix and get on their web chat service and tell them. They'll respond with some sort of canned reply because they have gotten so many complaints. Make your voice heard.
I read an article that said they were encouraged to try this change because of their "success" with the autoplay change. They said their analytics show that people stay on the title page less... well, no shit. I don't want some loud ass TV show or movie playing if I'm not even sure I want to see it.
Banch ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:05:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I go to the search button or hit the mute button on my tv. Netflix interface is cancer.
They interpreted that less time spent on the title screen = people deciding quicker because they can see the preview. It may be true that people decide quicker, but I doubt it's because they're gaining anything of value from autoplay.
buffit02 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly. I think people are so annoyed by the auto play they just hurry up and pick something, I do it half the time. Usually just pick Star Trek TNG to get away from the damn auto play. But now I get hit with the stupid ads in between shows for things completely unrelated to what I watch.
A couple of years ago, we introduced video previews to the TV experience, because we saw that it significantly cut the time members spend browsing and helped them find something they would enjoy watching even faster...
I'm guessing it was more of a "hurry up & fucking pick something so we don't have to watch any more previews / listen to that horrible music".
Saturday my family (5,7,9 year olds, plus my wife and I) sat down to watch something together, so we clicked the Watch Together profile. It popped up the I Am a Killer on autoplay, with some dudes with face tatoos talking about murdering people.
I don't want to go all "Won't Somebody Think of the Children!!", but it would be nice to not be blasted with ads for TV-MA content when you open something to watch with the kids.
They also have a "Watch Together" profile section, for finding things that parents and kids might want to watch together, instead of Paw Patrol or whatever; we ended up with Emperor's New Groove, for example. I wouldn't expect a TV-MA to be the top choice in that profile, but here we are.
they probably won't do that if you are logged in under your kids profile on Netflix.
When you first fire up NF you are asked who's watching and if you sign in as brainmoney they might show you mature content. If you signed in under littlebrainmoney's account, however, then you wouldn't be shown mature content.
no guarantee though. I have never tried this because I don't have child but I suspect you could tweak it in profile settings.
I just found out that you can mute them (at least from the computer) by hovering over the thumbnail of the show and there will be a volume button. It will mute all other trailers as well.
Go to Netflix and get on their web chat service and tell them. They'll respond with some sort of canned reply because they have gotten so many complaints. Make your voice heard.
There are a couple Chrome plugins that block the auto play trailers. Itโs dumb that one has to install something to turn it off, but at least there is a workaround.
Kyrthis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, with Disney buying up all the media outlets, they announced a while back that they were going to break with Netflix in 2019 and launch their own, competing streaming service: no marvel, no Star Wars, no Pixar, and all their kids stuff. This was after the reports of the success of Netflix kids, especially Disney material on it. So, given the monolith of distribution that Disney has now become, Netflix is forced to pump more money into originals, hence the narrowing of choices of things to watch which u/orangecassettetapes noted.
Am I the only one that likes that? I think it's nice to have it automatically play me a few clips from the show while I'm scrolling through looking for something to watch.
This. Netflix was my solution to piracy, I'm happy to pay for the content and business model that I support. The instant commercials pop up on my Netflix videos, it's time to get a vpn and start buying hard drives.
EDIT: I'm cool with skippable recommended videos for other Netflix shows at the end of episodes. If it's unskippable, tries to sell me a product, and/or interrupts the middle of an episode... that's the line for me. I even accept Amazon's pre-episode trailers albeit not happily.
The good news is VPN and hard drive prices have gone down.
Excal2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OpenVPN is free and you can admin it yourself instead of handing off all your data to a third party service provider. Also no limits on number of devices or caps on bandwidth or worry about heavy user traffic slowing you down.
I have mine installed on a Raspberry Pi alongside Pi Hole, it's a very effective and affordable setup. I'm shit with Linux and it took me maybe a Saturday afternoon worth of low octane tinkering to get it up and running.
But the server you need to run OpenVPN on won't be free.
Excal2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Raspberry Pi costs like $35 bucks.
Amazon Web Services is free if you sign up with a credit card and stay under usage limits. Dump your traffic there and be selective about what you run through the VPN instead of tunneling everything through it.
Alternatively, buying service on one of their dedicated OpenVPN host servers works our to roughly $0.023 USD / hour of access.
So yes it's not free but the costs are lower when you do setup and admin yourself, in comparison to most upper-tier offerings from market leading VPN services, and the protection is better too.
If you plan on pirating movies (which this thread is about) then Amazon won't be happy about it, and your name is connected to that IP address. Might as well pirate from your home connection.
Excal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon doesn't care, AWS is an underground jungle cave maze. No one who doesn't work at Amazon is gonna be able to find that shit and Amazon has a vested business interest in keeping it that way.
I'm confused how this gets around ISP monitoring. Is your Pi running on your home network? Doesn't this mean its exit traffic is on your ISP's network?
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any paid or free VPN service that is being run by someone other than you is what I was referring to by "third party". If you pipe your data through PIV's servers, then PIV has access to all of your data.
To answer your questions more specifically:
I'm confused how this gets around ISP monitoring.
Same way that using a VPN service gets around it, by encrypting the data and then tunneling to a remote server. The ISP can see the data leaving your house, but doesn't know what's in it or where it's going.
Is your Pi running on your home network? Doesn't this mean its exit traffic is on your ISP's network?
Yes, and yes. But the traffic existing on their network is inherent to the nature of transmitting data across network infrastructure. It's gotta exist somewhere. The encryption is the key. My set up actually encrypts all of my home network traffic, so even if someone was able to peek inside they couldn't get any useful information out without breaking the encryption.
This article explains the problems with VPN's very well:
On their own, VPN's don't do a lot of stuff that people assume they do. You don't just get to sign up for PIV or another service and be done managing your data security, as nice as that would be. They are certainly very useful tools, but really you should only get one if you have a valid use case for it.
For those who do have a valid use case for VPN's, but don't want to admin their own, here is an excellently curated and maintained resource for selecting one:
Okay, so you're going through your Pi to another server that you administer, and sending content out through that. That makes more sense.
My issue is that I like having endpoints in piracy privacy friendly countries so I can have good ratios. And even then you're trusting your hosting provider not to monitor traffic as well.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you can rent a server anywhere if location is important to you. The second link I sent you has a lot of information on what countries are good for hosting in terms of privacy rights.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:52:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the only thing that should be at the end of an episode is the next episode.
I think he means at the end of a movie, or the end of a series it usually has a trailer for something else.
I only dislike them because I get the same ones every single time. And I frequently get the Bright trailer despite having already watching and rated it. Why ?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is actually showing ads for their other shows at the end of episodes. Doesn't have to a season ender.
Right and the one comment above has a part saying they were okay with the ones not between the episodes, but only at the end.
I haven't seen any between episodes yet and I binged Altered Carbon and Arrested Development all weekend. So I'm okay with how it works now with that stuff at the end, but I find them annoying when it's something I've already watched, or the same one it just showed me.
I could be mixing up where I've seen this, but it's on my list of "ways I don't mind being advertised to". I know for a fact that youtubers will usually include little clips of their other videos in the outro, I've discovered some great niche bands through a record label that does this. It doesn't bug me, because it's completely baked into the same experience as watching the credits or clicking "next", there aren't any extra steps whether it's there or not.
To clarify what I meant, and I'd have to double check to see if it's Netflix or Prime Video that does this, sometimes during episode credits there will be a short (10 seconds?) clip about something else on the platform. I usually skip the end credits anyway, and the Next Episode button is there whether it's a clip or the credits, so that's fine.
The biggest thing is it doesn't add steps to my viewing experience and doesn't cut into parts of an episode that matter. Cable companies have been known to speed up and edit scenes out of movies to cram more unskippable commercials; don't force me to watch your ad, don't interrupt the middle of the fucking video for your ad, don't edit out part of the fucking video for your ad, and don't show me ads for products outside the platform. If those guidelines are followed... I usually WILL check out the teaser and I often add the show/movie to my list. It's like Youtube recommended videos, the ads in the videos annoy me but the grid of related content at the end of a video is GREAT (when it works and gives me good shit)
Thats still unacceptable for me, the remote I use for Netflix turns off during an episode. If Iโm having to find that controller again to turn it back on to skip the commercial thatโs no better than watching the stupid ass commercial
Just looking for some consistency. You were saying about having to power on your remote, something that isn't an issue for me because intro scenes ever 20 minutes are way more annoying than ads to me.
I'm cool with skippable recommended videos for other Netflix shows at the end of episodes
I'm not, unless it replaces the 'next episode' button. I don't ANY clicks added. If I want something to play continuously I'm probably busy and need the autoplay to function, like when I'm running/working out.
My favorite implementation of this is the "end credits in a smaller box, trailer fills the rest of the screen, next episode button is in the same place with no added clicks, and there's a setting to disable ads during credits". I don't mind recommended content, I just mind forced implementations of it that are extraneously obtrusive.
There's nothing on Netflix that I want to watch bad enough for me to deal with advertisements.
Can always torrent whatever it is you want to see on netflix anyway.
Popcorn Time is easy mode for tech-dumb people...most people can use it easily without knowing dick about using a computer. Get lots of people using VPNs and popcorn time and then netflix profits will start to tank. If they lose money because of ads, they won't use ads.
I suppose if YouTube videos are the only kind of content you're interested in watching. Actual movies and shows with writing and effects require budgets that you aren't going to get on a non monetizeable platform.
I pay for Netflix and up until recently that was enough to get me a ton of good shows and movies with no commercials. If they want me to pay more money to view commercials on a platform that removes the shows I enjoy, then I won't be paying at all.
First of all, the rights holders removed the shows, it wasn't something that Netflix could control. Disney and the networks started their own competing platform called Hulu and are pulling all of their content from Netflix because they want to sell you a Hulu subscription.
I don't agree with Netflix running adds either but I'm telling you "I already pay for internet, why should I pay for content as well" only buys content on the production level of YouTube videos. Nobody is going to sink millions of dollars into a movie or TV show just to give it away online for free.
the rights holders removed the shows, it wasn't something that Netflix could control.
That's why I continue to pay for Netflix but pirate content that has been removed from it. They chose not to get my money.
If Netflix starts doing stupid things that they have control over such as running adds for paid users I will stop paying for that as well.
Its not so much that I am saying "I already pay for the internet, why should I pay for content as well" as I am asking "Why am I paying for content and still getting served ads?"
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:46:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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houndi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:10:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm paying money for a service, I won't pay with my time as well. Why would I pay money for the privilege of someone showing me commercials, that's mad!?!
If your product is free, I'm expecting to pay for it sone other way, for example subjecting myself to commercials. When you get my money, you don't also get to screw me with any shit you come up with.
If my money isn't good enough for them, I have no moral problems not paying for it. I pay for a service because it's the most convenient and best way for both of us, me as a consumer and them as the producer. When it stops being convenient, I'm not going to go through extra hassle to be able to give them money.
Say I need my lawn mowed. Iโm not going to pay a guy to mow it if he requires I let him advertise to me for 10 minutes first. Now, if he was cutting my yard for free, Iโd say sure go ahead buddy, Iโll listen to whatever BS you have to say. But pay AND be advertised to? Fuck that, Iโll give my money to some other guy that will cut it without wasting my time.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, Iโll tune out or go to the restroom/get popcorn while theyโre playing. Theyโre only at the beginning and donโt interrupt the main experience.
Restaurants have ads in their menus.
You donโt stare at and listen to the menu the whole time.
I get it, ads arenโt going anywhere and are likely going to get worse. But that doesnโt mean we should just lay down and take it rather than seeking alternatives.
houndi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen an ad on a menu anywhere (this one screams "Only in America"...), but if I did I wouldn't order anything, I subscribe to the digital version of my local newspaper using adblock and I bitch about the twenty minutes of ads before every movie I go see and then remember why the last time I went was three years ago.
I still don't pay to see ads, and can survive normal life just fine. I also intend to keep it that way. If I'm paying for something, I don't take ads.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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houndi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't, I don't mind ads on a free service.
I don't just see the point of paying someone to show me ads, as I can watch ads for free as much as I want.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:53:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Arch_0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix, Steam, Spotify and others greatly reduced piracy because there was suddenly an easy alternative that had everything.
Arch_0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:16:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Netflix has gone to shit and I'm pirating a lot of TV and movies again.
Steam has more competition which is frustrating having a dozen different launchers but these don't require subscriptions.
Spotify seems to have almost everything I've ever looked for and has a free and premium version. I happily pay for the premium but if I suddenly had to subscribe to another service to hear some of my music collection I'd be back to piracy.
Check out the Playnite launcher. It brings in games from multiple launchers and you can manually add games as well. Still launchers the launcher to start the game of course but it's one unified library to browse.
Arch_0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:26:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Steam doesn't track playtime on those games. It also doesn't natively support emus, if you use those. And it doesn't automatically download metadata on those games and categorize them.
Kind of, except then you only have to open this one launcher that has all your games and can launch them instead of however many you have. Thought it seemed logical, guess not.
Yeah, ads in the background that you can easily tune out. But if someone walked up to me in a bar, yanked my drink from my hands and only gave it back to me after I sat and listened to 5 minutes of advertising, I can guarantee you I wouldn't be returning to that bar.
I have many other choices. I choose to make use of infinite available digital copies of media rather than have my limited time and money dishonestly stolen from me with commercials when the services I paid for promised no commercials.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there seems to be a number of popcorn times. which one should I use?
Clovett- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go to r/popcorntime it has the main app on the side.
RGJ587 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:11:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix has been really failing in their original movies. the past 4 netflix original movies ive seen have all had a common thread (High profile hollywood actors, great premise, terrible delivery, atrocious endings).
The Titan, How it ends, The Outsider, Bright. If it werent for their tv shows, id have already cancelled my sub
Stormfly ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:48:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked Bright. Was pretty annoyed with how everybody seemed to crap on it. Same for Insatiable.
So many people seemed to want to hate it and just zoned in on small things, and sometimes took things completely out of context. Insatiable had complaints that the main characters were narcissists, but part of the show is the MCs realising "Oh. Maybe I'm not a good person and they are right".
Although I also liked the Netflix campy B-Horror Deathnote so maybe my opinion shouldn't matter.
Why are people crapping on Insatiable? It's American Beauty meets Clueless, but almost everyone is a bitch and you're not supposed to like them as a person... Spoiler the main character glosses over the statutory rape of his son, ffs, they're all selfish and awful and it works. The acting is spot-on, too.
Stormfly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your spoiler was one criticism that I disagreed with (In one article anyway) as they didn't fully gloss over it. The person went to jail and the MC was called out for making it about himself, and then later you find out that it really was about the MC.
I think the glossing over of the situation was also possibly to do with society's opinions on it... but I might be reading too much into a show that doesn't take itself too seriously. But you're right, they're all supposed to be terrible and selfish people. Like comically cruel and vindictive people that think they are the good guy.
The "I'm a Good Person! I'm a Good Person!" scene couldn't have been any more obvious in my opinion.
Stormfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
>!Spoiler text!<
Spoiler text
I thought that but I wasn't sure.
Considering that Bob's reputation was destroyed by baseless accusations from the very same woman that was later sent to jail for Statuatory Rape and bribed a woman to distribute child pornography framing another person, and nobody really cared like you said.
The fact that it was forgotten by everybody was one reason I wasn't sure. She is released from jail and is then forgotten about by everybody and is just treated as a nuisance. Wasn't sure if it was intentional or a plot hole.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Stormfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think I was vague enough that I shouldn't have spoiled anything. Just in case I removed one joke that was a reference to a scene.
If they take those characters as people to emulate and not people to tear apart and love to hate, to dissect the scenes and realize "wait why am I feeling bad for this person they suck", maybe they shouldn't be watching fiction.
Deathnote was such a brutal destruction of a good story that it's a wonder the director isn't in jail for rape.
Stormfly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think a large part of the reason I liked it is actually because I disliked the anime. I thought the idea was great but hated the characters, and I felt that the characters and story in the movie were better. Not perfect, and it did have flaws, but I enjoyed it and would watch it again.
Just my opinion though. I've controversial taste in some regards.
What are you on about? The anime had a fantastic ending.
Near does what L failed to do and reveals Kira to be Light. Ryuk keeps his promise that he would be the one to write Light Yagami's name in his Deathnote. Misa has no clue so she can just go on with the rest of her life.
Remember, the entire story is just about a bored shinigami stirring up shit. It ended pretty damned well. The movie, though, didn't button anything up. It was written specifically with a sequel in mind.
The show jumped the shark as soon as they had people besides Light and Misa be able to see the shinigami. Went totally off the rails from the earlier episodes and wasn't even remotely the same afterwards.
I liked the idea of it. The execution not so much. Kinda felt like Will Smith was just playing Will Smith, which I've seen a dozen times before. There's a lot of potential there, though, so I hope they do more with the setting.
RGJ587 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it was good for the first 30 minutes, until it went off the rails the second the wands were introduced.
How could anyone possibly like Bright. I am a huge fan of (1) High Fantasy (2) Buddy Cop Movies (3) Will Smith so this movie was almost tailor made for me and even I hated it.
RGJ587 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See, I wanted to add Annihilation, because I assumed it was just as bad as the ones I mentioned, but I havent seen it (and wont be watching it). Maybe I'm finally wising up to the fact that "Netflix Original Movie" is just codename for "what used to be straight to dvd"
I really wanted to like Annihilation. But I got bored by the time the aliens showed up and stopped watching.
[deleted] ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 14:20:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've already canceled my subscription to Netflix for this. Thank Netflix for not having contracts on their platform. Only way to send a message is hit them in the wallet. There are other platforms that offer no ads.
exteus ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 14:34:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're literally just promoting shows at the end of each episode, during that countdown timer to skip to the next episode. You can still skip to the next episode, and disable these promotions in the settings. Seems a bit hasty to cancel over this before you see which way they are going with it...
Thats how youtube did it, its just a step to normalize commercials in the platform. First its skippable trailers, then its skippable commercials, then unskippable but just between shows etc...
It's how Foxtel in Australia did it too. Came in as "no ads" to compete with free to air TV a long time ago. Now I swear it has more ads than the TV it was supposed to replace. Oh and the bonus? 24 month contracts @ $100 a month.
Gonzobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it a commercial, though? They're not advertising products, you already paid for Netflix. They're recommending other shows that you've already paid for access to.
The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually rather than suddenly.
The worst offense they have is that during a series finale, instead of soaking in whatever just happened, you immediately get cut from the credits and pushed into a giant loud Netflix show advertisement CLICK NOW kind of deal and it is so disorienting
Don't care. I don't want a fucking experience. I want access to content and literally nothing else. I will find my own shows in the way that I hear about them. I don't want their help whatsoever in finding my next show.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Keeyzar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand the direction they're going. You're the perfect target audience they hope for. People saying "yeah, only 2 extra secs, it's okay".
No it's not. Next it's 5 extra sec. Never ending story, played a million times on million different topics. And you still fall for this stuff.
Still too much bullshit. I don't want to be watching something dark and scary and then see a promo for some stupid comedy or kid's show.
lewliloo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or the opposite. My kids watch some things with me, and i watch some things without them. I don't want them seeing ads for Punisher between episodes of P&R, despite the fact that I, alone, would enjoy Punisher..
This is an even better point. I watched Lost in Space with my kids on my profile. I don't want them seeing trailers for Trailer Park Boys while we're watching something together.
I marathon The Twilight Zone because it makes for great background noise and the atmosphere (and familiarity) allows me to continue focusing on work.
Totally fucking killed my flow when I reached the end of one episode and suddenly a 15 second commercial for some bullshit standup special comes up.
I'm not usually the type to bitch about commercials, but I pay for both YouTube Premium, and Hulu Ad Free to get rid of them. Netflix has always been my GOTO for relaxing background noise though, and if they're going to fuck that up I'd rather deal with Youtube or Hulu's slightly more annoying format for the sake of being able to stay focused on what I'm working on.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:40:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they are not. I have regularly been getting kicked out at the end of episodes to a screen promoting content and have had to navigate to the "continue viewing" row to start the next episode.
The whole point of the metaphor is that if the temperature is raised from cool to boiling gradually, the frog just lets itself get cooked.
Stormfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but in reality it doesn't. It just jumps out when it gets uncomfortable.
I'm saying to do the same. Pick a point where it become unacceptable rather than just objecting to any and all change.
I understand its usage, but it's not applicable to every situation. Gradual change isn't always bad. Some changes sound worse than they are. Like I think it's fine to complain about this because you dislike it, but there's nothing wrong with people who are okay with it.
Accepting small changes doesn't mean they will accept big changes. It's fine to have a line in the sand that they can't cross rather than refusing they move at all.
XanXic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems a bit hasty to cancel over this before you see which way they are going with it...
Idk, it seems obvious. A lot of people were saying the auto play trailers is hell and couldn't possibly be permanent. There's still no way to disable those fucking things.
He sent a proper message to Netflix. If they put in commercials, he was right to cancel. If they don't you could argue people like him got the message across so they didn't.
I have yet to figure out how to disable this in the settings. I spent a good 10 minutes searching through the settings for something to no avail. It's especially annoying to have your kids complaining when the 5 second gap to auto-start the next episode turns into a 20 second ad for a show they aren't watching.
Easier there, this is reddit, sound thought and reason don't play well here. Just pick up your pitch fork and join the mob mentality. Netflix is now the devil
This. This is the only way to do something that matters. Anything else being talked about like โdownvotingโ and such is just ignorance of how the system works.
Lol, what a knee jerk reaction to something you can literally skip and/or opt out of. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Reddit has to be outraged by something.
I mean a lot of the actual shows are a corporate pipeline too.
jenamac ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:14:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is rapidly losing me as a customer. Lately it feels like mostly original movies and while there's definitely good movies that aren't theirs as well, it's "oh yeah that movie" 80% of the time.
I didn't realize what was wrong with that until browsing Amazon prime and saw a bunch of amazing movies that I had seen or been meaning to see and promptly watched several over a week.
This. I'm a horror movie junkie and Netflix only has older horror films or originals. Hell, I've been wanting to watch the Purge for over a year and it's still not on Netflix.
Well said. The exact reason I left cable television 10 ago and haven't looked back.
Comcast wants me to pay over $200/month to watch commercials? Don't think so!
Exos9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I want on Netflix I can get for free. On streaming websites. With ads. So what the fuck am I paying for?? A remotely decent UI?? Netflix can fucking suck it, I'll switch to Amazon TV or something that's fucking ad-free.
EATADlCK ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:12:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix was my answer to avoiding a corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me in my home.
This response is funny to me. Obviously Netflix is a company. And you know the OP obviously was talking about 3 minute commercial breaks every 5 minutes on network TV.
What exactly are you upset about with your tinfoil hat?
EATADlCK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Numbskulls who can't see all the shit that's shoved down their throat in Netflix's content. Shit used to be good before they produced of much of theirs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always wonder how many ppl are abusing the gift card free month though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm well aware.
Notice I said YEARLY not QUARTERLY growth?
Look at the subscriber growth year over year. It has exploded. The fact that they missed a subscriber growth target one quarter when they were already overperforming estimates doesn't mean a whole lot.
Maybe instead they'll do one of those lower-third banners. The cast of Orange Is the New Black can be superimposed over your current show. And as enjoy the last hour of Schindler's List, Crazy Eyes and Tiffany will appear to playfully shove one another, reminding you of their banal existence.
dkimot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt cancel. Just watch less after a commercial, if their algorithm is anything like the YouTube algorithm that want to maximize watch time and engagement. It sucks for us, but we need to do it for the kids so they donโt see commercials.
Netflix was my answer to avoiding a corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me in my home. There's nothing on Netflix that I want to watch bad enough for me to deal with advertisements.
especially this, their content has gone in the bin, their own content is good, but nothing I can't live with out. Their sorting and the change on how things are recommended for me, is gradually going from what I'd like and other people would recommend, to what they want me to watch. Youtube is doing the same,
The internet is built on choice, I can understand old corporations not getting that, but companies that were built on this premise, even reddit, seem to be losing understanding.
I will cancel my subscription if I see one goddamned commercial on Netflix.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canceled today. Their notifications already started to piss me off lately, but this is the final straw. Also the content from the last two years have been absolute trash.
pf3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have T-Mobile so Netflix streaming is free but I get much more enjoyment out of my Netflix disc subscription.
How is pushing all of their shows to the top of the home screen not commercials anyway? Iโve been tired of them burying good movies under shitty series and their own b movies for years.
FowD9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing on Netflix that I want to watch bad enough for me to deal with advertisements
and if there is i'll just pirate it, if netflix wants to take this approach
Bgndrsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People wonder why I pirate. I bought the James Bond collectors set for $100+ and it has stupid fucking ads and bullshit in it. I can just download a movie, click play and boom it's just there and running.
To be fair they're skipable (something most of the news stories don't seem to mention) and only show up in between episodes not in the middle of them so I don't think it's a huge deal really. Now TV (a UK subscription TV service) started doing the same thing about 6 months ago and it hasn't really bothered me much....
Seriously, if I start seeing commercials I will unsub so fucking fast. I'm already using Kodi more then Netflix because they've taken awaya all the shows I watch. I hardly need a reason at this point.
Honestly, I got Netflix originally for movies, and now their selection is dogshit anyway.
jib661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's been their plan for a number of years now. This is the ebb and flow of tech companies -- hemmorage money while in a state of rapid growth, then when growth begins to plateu, implement a realistic pricing model (or another way to make money) that alienates a small percentage of your audience.
YOU might leave netflix...and Others may leave too. But netflix is betting that enough people will stay. And chances are, they're right.
Naw - I'll just cancel sub. I have no interest in having something so invasive that i manually have to skip it. happy to pirate.
bdld39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watched one of the Harry Potter movies on free form or whatever and I timed it, 9 minutes of movie to 7 minutes of commercials, itโs seriously infuriating.
BoJack Horseman is probably my favorite show right now and I also love Kimmy Schmidt but I can find both of those things elsewhere. I also I'm canceling my subscription the minute they actually Implement commercials
Netflix was my answer to avoiding a corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me in my home
But..that's what netflix already is. Netflix is the epitome of corporate nonsense.
Hieillua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gold, 7.5k upvotes and I think barely any people will follow this example.
I remember saying how it was the beginning of the end when Netflix raise its prices years ago. People told me I had to shut the fuck up because it was a minor increase and the prices were still low. And then they increased it again and again, like predicted, and people suddenly got angry but what did those people do? They can't be without their Netflix and are still watching it. Most customers will accept these commercials. The next step is even more commercials and different types of adds and some more price increases with lower quality shows because Netflix is throwing money to more quantity.
I'll remember this when Netflix is in trouble in a few years, maybe even a decade. This is where it started. At the increase of more shows, more and more price raising and adds.
Unstoppable autoplaying trailers (commercials), broken rating system, removal of user reviews and now, commercials between shows? Nope, to hell with that, I'm out.
Minja78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:40 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest here. No you won't. Netflix is killing it with their exclusive content. Even if you and the 8k others that upvoted this decide to cancel you've done nothing but force more commercials. Live with the fact that we've had commercial free content for a stupid low price for as long as we've had it.
I don't like it, I'm going to opt in and complain, not much else I can/we can do.
I'm being honest. I am going to cancel my subscription. I'm not living with the fact that I need to pipe commercials into my home. It's not going to happen. There's nothing I want to watch bad enough on Netflix to have companies push adverts in my home.
Meh. It just a test for now and only for shows/ movies that are on Netflix so Iโm not too worried about it. There is so much content on there that gets buried, so who knows maybe it will show me something good so I donโt have to scroll for 20 minutes just to watch The Office again.
Non-negotiable. I'm not spending my time skipping adverts. I'm cancelling my sub. I'm not paying, in any way, for advertisements to be piped into my home.
"I will immediately cancel my sub if i begin seeing commercials on the platform.
Netflix was my answer to avoiding a corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me in my home"
So you cancel Netflix. What's your plan now?
I keep seeing people get mad and threaten to cancel Netflix because of "ads". And most of the people saying this are the ones who decide to "cut the cord". Are people going back to paying for cable TV, go to Amazon prime(which will change one day... Again) , antenna TV, or no TV at all?
d3gree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is the plan. However I for one won't cut off Netflix until it gets as bad as cable streaming like SYFY. Every 10 mins there's five 30-60 second ads, sometimes even a few minutes long, & usually the same ads playing over and over. Makes their shows totally unwatchable. What's the point in paying to watch commercials? At that point it's like they're begging you to steal their content.
gordo65 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So far, all I've seen is trailers that can be skipped with no minimum view time. I'm certainly not cancelling just over that.
I'd probably spend a few more dollars on Netflix per month before going back to pirating. I do not watch netflix all that much anyway so it will quickly approach the point where it no longer feels valuable.
This is a wild exaggeration. They are not showing commercials and lying about it. They arenโt showing commercials at all. They are showing previews of other content youโve already paid for to help you (in theory) find stuff youโll like. Itโs good for them obviously but in theory itโs also good for customers because it helps you find good shows. In reality itโs a shit idea but thatโs why itโs a test and theyโll probably get rid of it. The headline makes it out as if theyโre showing paid commercials and blatantly lying about it which is flagrantly untrue.
There are many real and very serious โ2+2=5โ type situations creeping into society, as you say, that need to be taken seriously. Exaggerating and claiming any old thing is a 2+2=5 type situation when it clearly isnโt is dangerous because it trivializes a very important issue
Beoftw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are showing previews of other content youโve already paid for to help you (in theory) find stuff youโll like
any kind of forced solicitation that assumes it knows better than my own judgement is not welcome, and in my opinion is even more intellectually frustrating than advertisements in general. They force their own video lists before you even see your "my videos" or "my reccomendation" lists after they reworked their website long ago. I don't need an ad that's selling me something I already purchased prerolling before I watch said content.
But yes, you are right. I agree it is an exaggeration. But at the same time I do not think we should be normalizing this kind of behavior, allowing deceptive anti consumer business practices to creep into all of our favorite mediums at any level is disgusting. When they try and tell us that loot boxes aren't gambling or effect gambling addicts while they rail us about how they think video games cause violent behavior, as if they are digging for an excuse to regulate the medium but ignoring the actual problem because they clearly benefit from it. Or when they strip all the fun out of a 60 dollar video game, just to sell it back to us with microtransactions as if its somehow enhancing the experience. How the you in youtube has been replaced with strictly corporate approved media, censoring people based on the whim of a corporation as if they know better than I do about what I want or what I should or shouldn't see. I can go on and on about how corporations and politicians are using wrongthink to influence our opinions throughout the internet, but the last thing I want to do is lessen the importance of the notion. If anything I just want more people to be aware of the rising use of wrongthink and doublespeak in our media today, and hasten the need to teach critical thought to our growing generations.
But at the same time I do not think we should be normalizing this kind of behavior, allowing deceptive anti consumer business practices to creep into all of our favorite mediums at any level is disgusting
Well I don't think its deceptive anti consumer business practice at heart, definitely not in the same league as the other things you mentioned. It's a feature that they hoped helps their audience because if the audience find it useful they profit from it. That isn't really anti-consumer. Turns out its really annoying and is disliked by their customers and no-one likes it, so they will probably take it out. There are lots of anti-consumer business practices out there, lots that often rely on lying or misleading customers, and I dislike how the headline of this article is trying to make out as if this is one
Beoftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out its really annoying and is disliked by their customers and no-one likes it, so they will probably take it out.
Every single change they have made to their website and business model has been panned pretty hard. Almost every single change has been in favor of their bottom line and taken away from the consumer. The removal of user ratings, reviews, the removal of browsing organization, the greater majority of their content in favor of their own, etc. I see no logical reason to believe that they will discontinue these ads with or without consumer approval after they have very literally stated that they have no intention of basing the success of this feature based on customer feedback.
I can see your point though, the articles title is misleading. I agree with your message, I just personally find no reason to trust their intent here. I don't support catering to the most common denominator, as it assumes were all stupid and incapable of making our own informed decisions. Every change that netflix has gone through with has reflected this mentality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
tika- ยท 660 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, donโt do this! Apparently theyโre trying to see if customers will interact with the ads. This is some form of โtrial periodโ where theyโre testing it out. If a large percentage of people interact with the ads, itโs likely that theyโll keep it. So donโt turn off the test participation. Participate in it but donโt interact with the ads to show Netflix that their ads will not be well received.
Update: The original comment where I found out about this.
Edit: I would like to add that I am not an expert in any of this and am simply relaying the information on a thread I saw previously. I donโt have the answer on how to show Netflix that their ads are not welcome, but based on the comments below, there are clearly many ways to do that!
stevrock ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It won't matter. The programming is already done. They are here to stay unless they get hit right in the pocketbook.
I plan on cancelling after I see the first one.
MmeBear ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 16:06:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I'm not going to pay to get shown ads; I'm paying to get shown content. If I wanted ads I'd have cable.
This is exactly my sentiment. But we are in the vast minority.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:39:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? You're obviously the majority, the entire thread is talking about how they don't want commercials
Ashendal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For as loud as Reddit makes itself seem, this is the minority. For every person here shouting about how much it sucks there are plenty that just deal with it and don't say anything. In this case it doesn't matter if every Redditor in here unsubbed and angrily pushed back in every way possible, there are plenty of people that aren't on Reddit who don't care about the ads because it's "the same as cable except I get to pick what I want to watch when I want to watch it" to them and they don't care about the ads.
Most Nexflix users don't care. When they tried breaking off the DVD subscription to a seperate company 1 million cancelled their accounts. Less than that noticed the commercials. And I'd bet less than that would cancel even if they did full on commercials regular TV commercials. The part that sucks is that they are doing this. I'm old enough to remember when I purchased cable that they said that paying a monthly fee meant that there wouldn't be any commercials. But then they started showing commercials for thing on their channel starting they weren't breaking the contract. When they did start showing full blown commercials back in the early 80s I never paid for cable again.
At least if you're paying for cable you have a larger selection than Netflix. I don't pay for either because Netflix ended up having nothing I wanted to watch after maybe a year of binge watching. Hulu has been way more enjoyable for my wife and I since.
That's what he's saying, if he wanted to pay for ads he'd pay for cable. It can be inferred by the comment that he doesn't have cable, so he's not currently paying for it. He's probably paying the cable company for internet, but that's not the same as paying for internet and cable, or just cable.
MmeBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This, exactly. I do not have cable, nor do I intend to get it because... I'm not going to pay for ads haha.
That's not how IT companies work. They could spend all year and hundreds of thousands in R&D and still pull it last second over a top execs change in opinion or a single bad tweet, e.x. Pepsi commercial with Kardashian girl, imagine the amount of work and people that were involved in a full blown video shoot with a ton of costumes and editing and products and air time and legal paperwork. Happens all the time over the stupidest things. This could be no different. My company just spent half a year building a full custom hosting framework and they ended up not using anything because they just bought a smaller tech company to use theirs. Still had to pay me and 12 developers for half a years salary, easily in the low 10 millions. And consider the amount of $$ it cost them to lose our development time that could have been working on a large list of projects. So double that original cost and time.
Soo, maybe a few months worth of easy coding for Netflix since this isn't a new concept or feature, and they probably already had it built for a while now. They could just flip a simple true|false and wait until the next chance to try again with subtle ads. Its not throw away code and it wasn't a site breaking feature, it's an in between feature that only shows in sequence between videos, nothing has to change since they already do an opt in / opt out, so its a non dependent feature.
ANonGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To support you: even in the "article" they mention how Netflix is testing how it's being received. I'd prefer if there was a mini section in each series info for similar shows or movies.
It also looks like Netflix isn't showing Toyota or Tide ads, they're recommendations. It's likely in response to Disney pulling their shows out, in an effort to boost their original programming numbers to keep their user base healthy. Not saying it's fine, just that their actions make sense in context.
I'd still prefer a recommendation area in the show/movie info, though.
This isnโt true. If it receives poor metrics for whatever KPIs theyโre using during the test period, they arenโt necessarily going to implement it. So ignoring the ads or closing the app after you see one is helpful
If you do wind up cancelling, make sure to send Netflix an email (or if they have a โwhy are you cancelling questionโ answer it) explaining that you are ending your subscription specifically due to the ads. This gives them a quantifiable backlash.
Eh, I don't see why everyone is so indignant about this one. If they were showing ads for cleaning products sure, but its just promos for their own streaming content. HBO shows promos for their own material before every single stream and costs a few dollars more than Netflix every month. No one is boycotting Westworld or GoT.... Who cares if you see a promo for available content while binge watching The Office again. I'm more annoyed by the autoplay banners in the browser, tbh
stevrock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not using signal lights doesn't bother everybody, doesn't negate the feelings of those that are annoyed by it.
No. Cancel your fucking netflix subscription, and tell them it's because they're shitty garbage corporate whores and their shitty ad gimmick. Fuck them, they said no commercials and they deserve to go under for this shit. If we don't stop it now it will be as bad as cable TV in three years.
I feel like the comment you linked is arguing against your position...if the only options are interact with (therefore voting for) the ads or not, why bother having the option turned on?
tika- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I realize that I linked the wrong comment, but the comments on the rest of the thread are where I got this info. Iโm not near a computer right now so I canโt change it at the moment
Anon5266 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thats not what I'm paying for. I'll opt out and of they show me ads I unsubscribe and move to another service. Simple as that.
Can't believe people think Netflix will give a shit about that. They will definitely notice if more people unsubscribe
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Won't Netflix still get money for all verified "views" of an ad? They are similar to YT in they can easily verify that someone watched an ad. Not interacting just means they are watching but not following through.
meep12ab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. Not interacting with the ads doesn't make Netflix lose money. The vast majority of people already ignore ads, they don't care if you ignore them. The only way for them to lose money is if you unsubscribe. And I feel choosing to turn off the ads is a better way to voice that you're willing to unsubscribe over this.
Netflix isn't stupid. They're not going to simply use one percentage for their basis to make this potentially massive change. They're likely monitoring massive amounts of data, including how many choose to opt-out.
Also, how do you even 'ignore' an ad. Not all ads are PPC (Pay Per Click), sometimes just watching (or 'ignoring') them is enough. And Netflix's current ads clearly aren't PPC.
Kazaji ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of naivety lets you believe that they actually care about the percentage?
It is only a temporary solution. Eventually it will no longer be a test and rolled into all accounts. People have to unsubscribe in huge numbers or netflix wont care.
I saw this suggestion in another thread and it was countered by the fact that those who turn it off won't be included in the statistics as far as "X% of viewers who saw the ad elected to check out the show from the ad!" So while most of us just turn the "feature" off, those who keep it on will likely skew the statistics in favor of implementing the ads service-wide.
I can't say for sure if that's actually the case. I just wanted to add it in.
True you opting out years ago means your data will most likely be ignored.
But all of us who opted out because of this news shouldn't be ignored if they are being rational, but maybe as with any company they will just take the data that supports their claim and throw away the rest and in that case it doesn't really matter what we do
Netflix stated publicly and officially it will not take user feedback into consideration (like in the past, auto play, 5 star system. etc.) only the results of their "testing" will be looked at. Opting out in this case would simply mean "I don't want to partake in the results you will use."
I know it should be itself, a metric, how many opt out, but its not nor will it be. Just so ya know.
Yes i know they said that but im choosing not to believe they are telling the truth, as in they will do whatever they want regardless of user feedback.
Hence why they just pick and choose the "feedback" that supports their claim and disregard everything else
Steffnov ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canโt wait for that to bite them back in the ass.
U747 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A/B tests don't work like that and when they look at the experiment results they're not going to see those opt-outs.
Word might get around that a lot of people opted-out, but if ad-revenue goes up from those that stayed in the test, then this feature will stick around.
It seems obvious that this is where it's headed considering Hulu does the same thing
calilac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure is, but it's doubtful they would include it as a variable since including it would likely bring down the numbers they are looking for. I can hear someone in charge now, "make it look legit but do your best to make it successful so we can push it. The shareholders are getting restless."
Sure! If you're the executive pushing for this though... you gonna toss those numbers as "opt out" or include them in the "no" column when you report the results?
stevrock ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:48:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or they see it as indifference and continue with the ads. The only way is to contact them, and possibly cancel.
They will be missing at least one data point if I ever see an ad. Netflix has been acting like blockbuster video used to. First they changed their interface for the worse. Then they changed heir ratings system so the end users had less information. Then they forced auto-play on us for some unknown reason. Now commercials. I have been with netflix since about 2002 and will be ending my relationship with them if I see a single commercial (opt-in or opt-out, I don't care at this point.) Dear Netflix marketing: I care a great deal if you make the entire experience miserable. Stop letting accountants set your corporate strategy.
I don't understand this argument. If 75% of people opt out of their test program, I think they will get the message.
Dimonrn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads work. People click, just cause people on reddit wont, doesn't mean the average consumer wont. Ads are coming no matter what. I mean hulu has them, Netflix was only a matter of time
Although I agree with what you said, it's in the text phase and will no doubt roll out to every user soon enough. The best way to tell them that this is not okay, and show them it's not welcome is to vote with your wallet.
I know people are reading this comment, and are nodding away as they groan about the commercials, and then a few months later when they're actually instated, they'll go "yeah but i wanna watch x show. I guess I'll just live through the commercials". Don't do it. Don't put up with it. It may hurt you to not be able to watch stuff on Netflix right away, but it will get better.
[And if you really want to watch the stuff, but can't unsubscribe because Netflix has the stuff you want, then like other users said, it's not that hard to find good streaming services, or better yet, torrent what you want and pair it with a personal streaming media like Plex, making your very own convenient Netflix, all of which are free. Hit them where it hurts. that's you send a message]
If every user here, hell every other user, that dislikes the commercials and cancels their subscription, Netflix will get the message. You can make as many petitions, Reddit posts, or blogs about how much you hate it; if you're still subscribed with them, you aren't giving them a reason to stop.
So, the best way to fight this slow rolling change, making Netflix essentially cable again, is to vote with your wallet. The minute you see a commercial, and you feel very strongly about it, unsubscribe.
Foulnut ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:26:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why? They literally dont care about feedback like this, as they shouldnt. It'd be unscientific and bad UX testing. Users constantly lie. i.e. "Ill move to X country if Y president gets elected" followed by a measly .03% increase in moving away.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they wont listen to subscription numbers either unless it is a #massive drop off. They would need lowered active engagement numbers. If the subscribers that do exist get more engaged, thats more important than losing some customer that would likely leave within a year due to lack of interest anyways.
lmao no. Its just useless and futile, you can scream into the wind if you'd like, but really all you're doing is exposing your (lack of) understanding of product management
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They wont, I work in a design research firm, we explicitly remove and forbid general public outcry or positive virality from reports and focus on quantitative facts. and this is the standard practice. and its good scientific practice as well. The plural of opinion and anecdote is not fact. you're talking about this from an emotional, "this is how I want companies to work" status, and I'm talking about it from the way that companies actually make design decisions. I don't even care if this is a good UX or a good design at all, the REALITY is, the opinions of the masses does not matter if the actions of the masses are the opposite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you aren't even arguing against points I'm making. You're purely attacking this grandiose projection of a strawman you want me to be saying. Remove your emotion and reread the argument. Unless you start arguing and treating your opponents in good faith, you will lose every argument; because currently, you're fighting in the mud.
They have said that the metric they are using to determine if they should make these site wide was the number of users clicking the ad. So even better than not participating in the test would be to intentionally participate, deal with them for now and not click a single thing.
They're testing it to see if it gets them more views, not to see if we approve of it. It'll be implemented regardless of how many people opt out, unless it doesn't achieve their goals.
Go into your Account Settings, there is a menu called Test Participation, turn it off.
They're testing this crap, opt out to show them it's not welcome.
Not participating in a test doesn't really let them know we don't like the feature.
That flag on the account simply tells them that we don't want to be subjected to any beta testing. Basically, "Don't put it on my account until it's bug free."
They are testing how to smoothly implement ads on their backend (getting the ads loaded, the right ad, etc...). Not whether we like it or not.
If they wanted to know if we liked it or not, they would ask with a survey "Was this ad helpful?", "Did this ad bother you?", "Would you continue to use our service is there were unobtrusive ads?"...
But, they already know the answer to those questions. They are working out how to implement ads. Not whether we will tolerate them or not.
Opting out doesn't seem to work with reddit. Dont think it'll work with netflix. You need to Tell them you won't deal with thus bs. Not just be a silent dissenter.
gmwrnr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
mr_ji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they base their decisions on those who are participating, thus only considering those too apathetic to change anything. It's like voting: abstentions just don't count. If they wanted actual feedback, they'd give us the option to provide it. They don't want feedback, just skewed data they can point to as an excuse to say, "See? All these viewers were fine with it!"
karth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opting out just removes you from the testing process. You need to make your voice heard, by messaging Netflix, canceling my membership, or shit talking them on social media. I think we all know what we want to do. Eat some ice cream.
squeda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah itโs A/B testing. They are only interested in those that actually see the content and what they do with it. We can probably make a big difference if as soon as you see an ad you close the app and donโt return for a while.
Arenโt their โadsโ just the 10-15 second lull between shows thatโs already in place? And itโs their own Netflix programming their advertising? It doesnโt sound intrusive.
Not defending ads on Netflix, just trying to get a scope of what ive heard of the situation.
Thatโs not how AB testing works for most companies. If you opt out your voice wonโt be heard at all. If you want to be heard, remain in the test and negatively change your viewing behavior if you get selected for the new experience. Watch fewer videos in a session, use Netflix less, etc.
If you really hate ads, and you leave the test, you will actually help the shit experience win.
I remember a shot from House of Cards where Frankโs wife was sitting in front of 2-3 active Apple devices. She was learning origami, or to knit or some such shit.
Couldโve been Android, but still.
Yes, but it wasn't specifically product placement. Throughout the first couple seasons its shown that Frank played video games to relax and his choice of game is often used to reflect his state of mind. It might be product placement but IIRC the creators have said they wrote it in that he plays video games, then shopped for who would allow them to use their game, at least for the first season. In one scene I remember he's extremely frustrated and is playing an FPS but later in that episode or a couple episodes later he gets so frustrated at a situation he can't even play games to relax, booting up the game only to turn it off and throw the controller in frustration. The scene OP mentions in particular is him faking kindness in order to endear himself to a character and his children even though he is manipulating that character and plans to ruin his career and life (in the end actually murdering him) to get ahead. His gaming again comes up in the second season when he becomes VP and he can no longer game online because of the Secret Service securing his home network. It comes up a couple times in Season 3 where he starts playing monument valley as he is going through a period where he feels restricted and confined by the white house, monument valley being a game he can play to reconnect to a hobby he gave up to get where he is. So, yes, product placement, but not nearly as cringey as it might seem out of context, here it is in service to the character and plot, not shoehorned in. He owns a PS4 but it is never mentioned by name as in this line and it makes sense in context because he only says the line to feign superficial interest as a manipulative tactic.
Edit: Realized I swapped "wasn't" and "specifically" which changed the meaning of my first sentence.
Seriously never understood people's rabid opposition to product placement.
OMG THAT CHARACTER SAID ''HEY CAN YOU GOOGLE SOMETHING FOR ME" WHY IS GOOGLE TRYING TO RAM THEIR SERVICES DOWN MY THROAT I CAME HERE FOR A MOVIE NOT TO BE FORCE FED CAPITALIST PROPAGANDA
f_d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It might be product placement but IIRC the creators have said they wrote it in that he plays video games, then shopped for who would allow them to use their game, at least for the first season.
Don't mind it so much if it helps fund more content that's worth watching even if theyre not award winning level while keeping sub costs at a reasonable level. More like a reasonable compromise to getting full blown ads.
Tubulin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the line was more like "Is that a PS Vita? I should get one for my car". Quite obvious to be product placement, but not as bad as OP wrote. Also it was already established that Frank plays video games so it is also not out of the blue.
if that is word for word the line, that is impossible to be product placement, because the official name is psvita, not psp vita. the latter is just plain wrong and is a non-existent device.
Eh, if so, it's pretty subtle. I watch a decent number of Netflix originals and the only one that has blatant product placement (as in, enough to make me notice) is the Joel McHale Show, and it doesn't exactly hide that at all.
They're not all good, but overall I find Netflix originals to be better than average. Mind you, the "Netflix original" label seems really broad. Eg, I recently saw a show on Netflix called Final Space that labeled itself as a Netflix original. It was a pretty good show so I looked into it after and am not really sure how it counts as an "original" given that it was originally aired on TBS (Wikipedia describes it as "distributed internationally as a Netflix Original").
The first(?) episode of Santa Clarita Diet involved three separate conversations about wanting a Range Rover because it's such a great car and a fantastic impulse buy. It's not what I would call "subtle".
all these people complaining about product placement must absolutely hate going shopping for anything. Omg look at the blatant product placement of those Granny Smiths!! Itโs disgusting! We are leaving this grocery store right now.
athytee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like Father was a cruise ship advertisement. Though I love Kristen Bell, so it's okay. Ha.
Yoshi122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what korean shows do, there's no commercials in the one hour episodes so they use product placement instead. Almost every kdrama will have a subway or papa John's scene
When you select a profile, you are immediately taken to a big advertisement for a Netflix special series or movie, and it starts playing a trailer if you sit there for more than a second.
After every episode, there's a link to a different show right beside the "skip to next episode" button.
After you finish a series or a movie, a trailer will automatically begin playing for a different series or movie.
If you keep a show/movie paused for too long, it will start a "screensaver" of sorts that shows posters for shows and movies.
You probably meant ads that interrupt the show, but all of the above are advertisements. Less intrusive than TV ads, but still ads.
If I can immediately go to the content I want to watch with no wait and watch it in its entirety without interruption, I dont really consider it an "ad", at least not in the traditional sense used for television.
All commercials are ads. Not all ads are commercials.
TobyInHR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs the difference between intrusive and non-intrusive advertisements. Commercials are intrusive because they stop content consumption to advertise. Same as pop ups, and to an extent, paywalls. Non-intrusive ads are banner ads, or the links Netflix already provides to their other content. They donโt halt your media consumption to advertise, but still engage you by displaying the content they want you to watch.
A 30-second ad before watching a show is probably a hybrid between the two, leaning more towards being intrusive. HBOโs streaming app already does this, and itโs not really a big deal. When itโs good content being advertised, Iโm pretty okay with it. But if they start interrupting shows and movies to advertise, Iโm going to cancel my subscription because that was the whole point of choosing Netflix over on-demand cable service.
I honestly donโt understand why Netflix would do this. For the most part, I enjoy a lot of what Netflix puts out with original series and movies. I constantly scour new releases and recently added sections, most of which are dominated by Netflix Originals. I donโt think they have a problem with engagement on original productions, at least not among my friends.
Ad is generally a pretty broad word where Iโm from. A newspaper has ads, billboards are ads, but radio or tv have commercials. Donโt know the etymology, but thats been the rough usage I am familiar with.
More relevant and less intrusive than traditional television ads, but by definition, they are still ads.
Dengar96 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:09:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't the ads that top commenters in these threads bitch about though. It's not "Netflix sold out I'm cancelling" ads it's more "Netflix is promoting it's content that I'm already paying for". The idea of showing you new shows you may like is what drives Netflix's business, the method of forcing those promotions on the "continue watching" screen is really, really bad design and will just irk users until they get used to it or complain ad nauseum.
pupomin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not "Netflix sold out I'm cancelling" ads it's more "Netflix is promoting it's content that I'm already paying for".
That's a great point. Although on Prime where they use these it seems typical for the first couple of seasons of the promoted content to be free while the most recent season is purchase-only.
I'm finding the way that Prime does it works really well. I don't really mind seeing promos, except that I'd like to be able to give feedback 'not interested' or 'add to watchlist' and then have that promo never shown again.
So far I've watched, enjoyed, and purchased two series promoted like this, so I guess I'm satisfied.
Dengar96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime would be far an away the best service if they had anywhere near Netflix's catalog to pull from. Their x-ray feature is neat and I like the interface, it's head and shoulders above Hulu and other non-netflix streaming sites. Being able to offer exclusive and licensed products next to premium new releases that you can buy is a great model.
Recently Iโm getting ads for Netflix Originals in between episodes of whatever Iโm watching.
Enjoying [TV SHOW?]
Well, hereโs OUR tv show!
Weโre super confident youโll love it, so weโre just gonna start this trailer up unless you cliiiick... yep, alright, see ya!
Itโs not super intrusive but itโs easily the most annoying ads Iโve ever seen on Netflix. If they keep going down this path Iโm sure theyโll lose tons of subs.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont really consider it an "ad"
That's how advertising is done in the 21st century.
..., at least not in the traditional sense used for television.
And if you finish the rest of the sentence you can see I am not talking about ads in a general sense but rather the type of ad that cable companies rely on that are unskippable and interrupt broadcasts.
That is how reading comprehension is done in the 21st century.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter why or how you don't consider it an ad.
As long as you don't mind watching them sell you stuff, the ad's doing their job. And it's even better if you can feel smug about it.
It's really great to see someone be overdramatic about a non issue because they are too proud to admit they misread something and misinterpreted the meaning behind it.
That is how internet stupidity is done in the 21st century.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but what can I do if they don't do that. I can't fix stupdity after all.
Sure, you're right. I meant ones that acted like commercials on TV. If there was unskippable ads during or after a show or movie I was watching I'd cancel in a heartbeat. What they have now doesn't really bother me. Maybe I'm alone on that.
I also would absolutely cancel if there were any unskippable ads.
Sometimes I delay selecting a show because we're trying to discuss what to watch, or we're discussing the movie that just ended. But then this annoying ad starts playing and interrupting our conversation, so I have to keep hitting the scroll button, mute the TV, or back out of Netflix again if I want to talk to somebody. Not as annoying as TV ads, but still annoying. Ads #2 & 4 on my last comment don't bother me, but I don't like #1 & 3.
What part of advertising requires the advertised product to cost anything? It's images and video that are shown to a viewer not at the viewer's request with the intent of promoting a specific product. That sounds like the definition of an advertisement.
Gonzobot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not advertising because at no point are they trying to, or able to, get any more of your money for the things they're showing you. If they're getting paid to show me one of their shows instead of another, all the power to them. It's still not an advertisement or commercial, though. It's an interruption.
It's an unsolicited interruption to promote a specific product. How is that not an advertisement?
Since you're so hung up on the money part, the purpose of the advertisements in Netflix are 100% intended to get your money. You have to pay a subscription, right? So what if you reach a point where you feel that you have seen everything worth watching on Netflix, and you don't know of anything new coming to Netflix. At that point, you would probably cancel your subscription. So they show advertisements to make you realize there is more interesting stuff to watch so you should continue paying monthly for the service.
Gonzobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:00 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not interrupting anything until it stops the content to show you the other thing, dude. They're showing the same thing they were showing you already with the recommendations. They're not causing me to spend any extra money. If they're acquiring new content in order to make sure I see the value in my continued subscription, then why do you think it is some kind of trickery issue for them to show me newly acquired content that I might be interested in, since I've already clearly demonstrated I'm interested in the streaming video service they are already selling me?
You're making this into an issue that it isn't, and exaggerating every aspect of what is already a normal thing to try and, I dunno, monger some fear for some reason? I don't get your deal here, is my point. Can you actually quantify how much this change has impacted your life? Or are you being a reactive kneejerk opinionated fool on the internet just like everybody else?
1) As I say here, some of them are annoying (though less annoying than TV ads), and some of them I don't mind. But that's not what I'm trying to tell you.
You are saying "they aren't ads," and I'm saying "yes they are." That's it. I'm not trying to argue that they are good or bad or annoying or reasonable ads. I'm simply saying "they are ads," and I don't understand why you disagree when they clearly fit every definition of an advertisement.
2) You're the one that called them an interruption, so I was just going with what you said.
3) The recommendations are different because that is solicited. I am on the recommendations page specifically to look for recommendations. I am watching a movie to watch a movie, not to look for a recommendation. And the big ad at the top of the recommendation page is also an advertisement because that is a random Netflix production that is not based on my personal recommendations.
I saw them for the first time on Friday. It was pretty surprising but honestly it wasn't that intrusive. It was a very short trailer for a Netflix exclusive stand up special. After the first one with video and sound, it was just a title card shown between episodes. If that's the extent of them I can definitely live with it, but they can't claim commercials and ads aren't exactly that. Sure, businesses have to make money and expand, so show your ads but don't insult my intelligence.
If you are into scifi try the Foundation trilogy by Asimov and the Eisenhorn trilogy by Dan Abnett. Their chapters are structured like a tv show episodes and they read like a movie script. They are very easy to binge on.
That sounds pretty good, I've actually been spending a lot of my downtime writing a sci fi parody type film script called MAX THRUSTERS. May be some good inspiration, thanks!
Can you suggest a good (and free) streaming site? The only ones I've seen in recent years are sites like Primewire and Letmewatchthis, which are absolute dogshit.
It's basically an app that scrapes all the streaming sites and gives you a netflix-style interface to choose what to watch, for free.
Works pretty well, can even stream to a Chromecast.
If you use your phone to cast to a Chromecast, all you get is a 30-second ad on your phone while the show plays ad free on the TV. Otherwise, you get a 30 second ad after the show/movie, which isn't a big deal.
If you use a DNS level blocker (pi-hole for example), they don't show.
SquoniX ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:41:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just download the cracked pro version of it, that's what I did.
XanXic ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:28:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol wtf. Pirating a stream pirating app. They had to see that coming.
Sponxy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:51:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like using Limewire to download Limewire Pro.
XanXic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:00:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I was always worried uTorrent could tell I was downloading uTorrent Pro
Sounds pretty similar to Kodi plus Exodus (or whatever they are calling that plug-in now). Kodi doesn't have any ads that I remember. I couldn't say which app is the better user experience though.
Exodus shut down, I think the current name is Covenant, but there's a few others (Elysium, Specto)
Exodus had ads, in the same way Terrarium does- 30 second pop up after your show that can often be skipped or blocked.
Terrarium is a better user experience than all of them, by a long shot. It runs faster, is easier to install/setup/configure, has more functionality (like working favorites list without a second account, chromecast/ Fire stick compatibility, etc) and just seems to be more polished.
Covenant shut down too. Right now itโs Placenta or Incursion. It changes a lot but the older ones still work for a while longer just donโt get updated. Head over to r/Addons4Kodi to see the latest ones that work each month.
Oh wow, this is just a better version of showbox, thanks!
If anyone struggles to find the cracked version, and is familiar with lucky patcher, then you can remove all the ads that way
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you pull up a show/movie, there's a little star icon on the top right. Click it, it's added to your favorites list, so you can find it quickly next time.
I love that little feature, lets you skip the browsing and go right to a list of things you want to watch.
The key to finding good stream sites is surprisingly using bing rather than google. Google has a large amount of the questionably legal stuff removed. Here's what I do to find streaming stuff that's not on netflix/prime/ect.
Search on bing for what you want to watch
Any result without ".com" at the end is promising. This means the result is hosted in a non-us country.
Open the link and if it doesn't immediately show a window for the video, press the back key and go to the next one.
Definitely won't disagree with that in this context for finding a streaming site, but just wanted to clear that up so it's not taken as fact for everything.
True. The issue is actually about where the TLD registrar is located. The .com registrar is managed by Verisign and that's an American company. So it's relatively easy for US law enforcement to take down the domain if it's a .com site. They might not be able to take down the host, but they don't need to to effectively bring the site offline. And once they seize the TLD, they can set up a honeypot to catch visitors.
Bing is like the wild west of the internet. I looked up a r34 of a character my friend likes in a show and some of the suggested click tags was "grade school blowjob" "preteen feet" "real isis videos"
Like is this the normal rabbit hole for Bulma tits?
Do any of those have subtitles in English from your experience? The main reason I'm with Netflix is because most is subtitled (I'm deaf) and torrenting + matching subtitles used to take me hours :(
Thanks for replying, I appreciate it. I guess I'll see how Netflix goes as to whether I resort back to subtitle matching to films (aXXo was the best back then lol).
Comments can also be bullshit, you can't trust anything on the internet. With torrents the best you can hope for is that the torrent with the majority of users would be the best one as otherwise no one would seed, more people click these links and they rise in google making the first infohash a pretty safe bet. Always use good virus protection when torrenting, virus' can be in any torrent and swapped in for good torrents at any time.
Oh yeah 100% do that for all sorts of things, handy if there's two versions of a film and you know the right year too
XanXic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's this doing? Making a magnet link in google results? (at work otherwise I'd just try it) I don't get how you'd get decent trackers and quality without checking the info on the dodgy site.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:05:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bezos earns $2M every hour, I can barely afford rent. I wouldn't buy the product anyway and stealing doesn't take that item away from the creator. I support small creators but Amazon and the major film industry can go fuck themselves, its our taxes paying to subsidize amazon workers, they pay less tax as a percentage than me.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For every Bezos, there are 1,000 people just like you that work on the films and shows you are stealing.
Bezos can pay them far more than he does, same way music labels could pay their artists decently but don't. I'm not changing that at all.
Do you think the Bezos of the world will continue making content, therefore employing those people if content becomes unprofitable?
Of course not but netflix is worth more than Disney and Comcast and another one of Bezos' companies just became the first ever to reach a worth of $1 Trillion. I think it's still very profitable for them.
You aren't stealing from Bezos, you are actively putting people like you out of work.
Automation and inequality are driving people out of work
Edit:
I should also add that Netflix is very different to normal companies, Disney World alone employs 15x more people than the whole of Netflix. God knows how many in total for Disney. Netflix is part of a group of companies who are completely separate to the rest of the world basically.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:25:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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nttea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would "steal" a rolex if it meant nobody lost a rolex when i did so. Coming to think of it i'd probably steal a rolex from rolex company if i could get away with it, not like their shareholders are going to starve.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now you see how screwed up your own logic is, good job! Pirating doesn't take away jobs from anyone if you were never planning on purchasing the content in the first place, any more than someone not watching it at all does.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being a thief and taking away jobs from people are two different moral issues, I think many people would take things if they could magically clone them and leave the original copy with its rightful owner
nttea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with stealing from the people who have so much money that they only treat it as a high-score. They'd fucking murder my face in if it meant an extra dollar in their pocket.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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nttea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never stole a thing in my life though. Big companies on the other hand.... Anyway i don't know why you take the time out of your day to shame me for the most minor damage someone could possibly do in this world so full of people doing actually hurtful things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
maybe your content was bad or your distribution model was awful. probably both.
nttea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you use to do?
pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:33:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded. Grow up.
Would you make a post saying "Screw Rolex, they make so much money, I am going to steal one because I wouldn't buy one anyway so they aren't losing out on a sale" .
No, obviously not difference is Rolex aren't screwing over their suppliers and employees and also don't have a digital product than can be copied without effecting the original.
YOU are stealing, your theft is putting people out of work. How does that feel?
I guess that's why even box office profits continue to grow and all these companies continue to have record sales highs.
Also, you are aware Jeff Bezos runs Amazon, not Netflix, right?
Yeah realised my mistake. Netflix is still worth over $100 Bn with an effective monopoly on creators
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and I also know that the industry is still growing strong with record profits, if they want to pay their employees well they can.
These things all cost a lot. You know this, right?
Yes and they still make profit, most pirated material ever was game of thrones, I don't think they're struggling too much. it's also like $20 for a movie ticket and popcorn, cinema has historically been accessible at way lower prices and nowadays it just isn't economical for a lot of people. The companies still make tons of money, their staff still get paid, what's the harm?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read it? It was about the fact they want to appeal to a larger market in mobile viewers and move away from the format of a small number of high quality shows.
Does actual evidence make you upset you have to lash out like a child. Sticking your fingers in your ears and stomping your feet?
Are you 12?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HBO has made nearly $6 billion in profit over the past three years, while devoting more than $2 billion a year to programming
That's a 300% profit, what are you struggling to grasp?
Edit: I'm more than happy for you to take the high ground and pay for netflix, the point I'm trying to make is that these companies are fucking over their suppliers, employers and customers so if you want to enjoy their nice UI, go ahead, but I'll have the inconvenience of torrenting and get it for free whilst having no effect on the huge profits these companies continue to make whilst a huge portion of America has almost no savings due to the ridiculous inequality facing us at the moment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a relative term, shareholders can say they think a company should be making more money and the CEO will then say they need to become more profitable. Doesn't mean they were unprofitable before.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:07:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's such a straw man, HBO themselves have said it's due to the changing consumer habits whereby they prefer to watch content on their phones, HBO just think they can make more profit there now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that's the one, that is the definition of piracy...
pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded. Grow up.
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Are you paying for something that costs money?" - I'm not being charged by the provider, so not stealing. Hypocrite.
Neither of us are going to change our opinions, lets end this bickering, respectfully.
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre a thief,
Again, show me the written law. Hypocrite.
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded. Grow up.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But my argument is, I'll pay for content when it's easier than pirating it.
Music: Spotify made me stop pirating cold turkey.
Video Games: If your game comes rolled up with some shitty anti-DRM software that acts as malware and bogs down my system, you can bet your ass I'm pirating it. Also to try out games to see if it's actually worth the money. Got burned by No Mans Sky, as you don't realize the game was shit until at least 8 hours in, when you discovered the content just stopped after a while. "But steam has refund services!" Yeah, and 2 hours is not long enough, nor is every game on steam. Prime example, I pirated Dead cells and within 30 minutes of playing it I had already bought it on Steam AND my switch, because I want to support devs who aren't actively trying to attack their customers.
Movies and TV: Give me one freaking service to watch my content on. I'm not subscribing to 10 different services to watch 11 different shows. It's turning into cable again and I refuse to support that kind of industry.
Again, not saying pirating is right, but people have their reasons for doing so. When companies care more about preventing people from consuming their product unless under VERY specific circumstances, such as DRM, Region Locking, or always-online connections, than they do about simply providing the consumer the product in a convenient way, that is when I stop caring. Until things change, I'll continue to pay exclusively for my plex subscription as right now it's the only 'service' that actually has everything I want on it, because I load it myself, and that doesn't even NEED to be torrented items, half of it is filled with blue-ray rips and DVD rips (which I might add ALSO have 'protections' to prevent you from ripping content YOU OWN).
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously you didn't read my entire post then. Feel free continuing to be one of those people who refuses to even try to understand any kind of counter-argument against your own.
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Liar, guaranteed you have copied music and videos without consent.
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you have written permission from the copywrite holder to distribute protected material? How about your music collection? Watching streamed content isn't illeagal, fact jack.
Between the artist and the end user is a web of deceit that steals the money you think you're missing out on.
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you do, check you music collection.
I'm not downloading, I have no physical copies, watching a stream isn't illegal, what don't you understand?
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:11:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First, I'm a pirate. I pirate everything and pay only to humble bundle and indie devs/musicians in general.
Streaming is downloading. Defacto -- you must download the data and it must reside on your computer for you to consume it. By the time you finish watching an episode of a show that you've streamed your computer will have requested, downloaded, stored, and replayed the content.
If the content is copyrighted and you did not pay for legitimate access by a legal provider, it is still copyright infringement to download it and posses it.
Streaming is the exact same as downloading, though it is different than uploading.
pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:00 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded.
It's nothing to do with it being a stream. It is copyright infringment to (possess) download copyrighted content if you do not have a license to do so.
Streaming is downloading as a digital copy of the infringing material must be requested by you, sent to you, downloaded by you, and kept by you in order to watch it.
It's not hard to understand. It's very simple.
And I'm a pirate myself, so I don't know what you're going on about with your thief bullshit.
pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so I don't know what you're going on about with your thief bullshit.
I don't know what you're talking about, I'm not going on with any "theif" bullshit.
Kanaric ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Terrarium TV on android and using chromecast on your TV was my solution.
If I want to watch something on my PC I just go on demonoid or pirate bay and download it. Make sure you have adblock and/or ghostery when visiting those sites to avoid annoyance.
I also pay for netflix and prime and won't be unsubscribing over previews. On Prime it's like 4 seconds at the beginning and you hit the skip button. I don't really see what people are whining about.
I have been thinking of just unsubscribing from everything and just pirating it all again. However i've been thinking of paying for CBS All Access since they are going to have two Star Trek series and I want to support that lol.
Foulnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it sideloaded?
Kanaric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:52 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have to download that from their website and install it. It's not in the play store.
I think that's what sideloaded means but i'm not sure.
bulltank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So check out FreeFlixHQ and if youre ok with spending 10$ a month, you can get an iptv service
Mobdro. You'll need to download it. It's a third party app. They have live TV and tons of great TV shows that they steam. Unfortunately the TV shows just steam you can't pick episodes to watch but it's a great app
Primewire just disintegrated in the last few months. I'm pretty bummed. I used it all throughout school and it was great. As of recent I tried using it again and it goes nowhere but ad filled sites and third party websites that need sign ins. Never used to be like that.
mtm4440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just get Kodi. Finds the sources for you and bypasses all the ads and malware because it streams from the direct .mp4 source.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude okay the most perfect video streaming site Iโve ever found (trust me, after a long search) is sharemovies.net - no pop up ads, huge database with a shit ton of films/ TV shows, easy to use: canโt go wrong
AidanCYT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use LeonFlix to watch movies. I don't think they have a streaming site, but they have a Windows app which is pretty good. It will crawl the internet for the best source of the movie or show that you want to watch.
Popcorn Time for Android, IOS, and Windows is damn phenomenal. Get it now. Movies are at stellar quality (even if they take a while to get to there) and the UI is simple and easy to stream/download.
mankstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Icefilms
laihipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
look for a private torrent site dedicated to Movies and/or TV, streaming is generally crap
These are the ones I use. Make sure you have ublock/adblock installed and preferably use a VPN. I watch these even without a VPN half the time but that's a bigger risk and I am just lazy.
If you have Apple, movie box will pretty much crush any need for a pay site. It is very simple to download. I paired it with my Apple TV and just cast from my phone to that. It is awesome.
Ppubs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that worked REALLY well when Hulu pulled this right? It's inevitable
A legally questionable, but morally acceptable route is Plex. It's basically your personal Netflix. You supply the shows on your own server / PC, and then you watch them on your all your devices. It's super easy to set up, and I'd highly recommend it
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I just figured I didnt want to be sued for enormous amounts of money. I'm definitely not informed on the legality, but I figure why risk it when it's easy to not do it.
no... sounds more like driving 50 in a 50. but even still... a speeding ticket is a couple hundred dollars. Isn't the punishment for torrenting something like $10,000?
Just keep spending your money on digital media. It's fine. You're safe.
stevrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I gave it a decent try. I've been using Netflix for years. I subscribed to shomi when it existed, I signed up for Prime as soon as video was available in Canada. However I refused to support a system that becomes the one I left.
You don't get any ownership rights to the media by paying your netflix subscription, you just get the right to access Netflix's platform. So if you torrented a show onto your plex server you still have no legal rights to stream it to yourself or others in the eyes of the content owners.
Streaming isn't illegal. Even if it were copyright infringement, that's a civil violation, not a criminal violation. It's only a criminal violation if it is for financial gain.
And on the civil side of things, nobody has ever been sued for streaming content. If you torrent or otherwise download it they have (rarely) gone after people, but not for streaming.
Any suggestions for good VPNs? Last time I pirated limewire was still around. Been paying for content for a long time but this might push me over the edge.
or, and hear me out here, because it's still cheap, has loads of content, and the ads (though I have yet to see even one) come at the end of the show were it does't matter....stay subscribed and support legal content.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people get upvoted for saying โunsubscribe and illegally download itโ as if theyโve earned the right to do that because the only other option is watching an ad once per episode...
You don't "earn a right" to commit a crime, you just do it. If torrenting is a crime I'm Pablo Escobar. That being said I still own a Netflix subscription, as it's still more convenient than torrenting. That being said I don't pay Netflix for ads in my show, it's no better than cable then.
Iโve seen a few โwell you can get the Netflix shows on other sites anywaysโ. You wonโt get them anywhere unless someone pays for the subscriptions!
HBO Now and Amazon Prime both play ads for their own shows at the beginning of an episode and I donโt find it bad at all. Honestly didnโt even think of them as โadsโ so much as โtrailersโ, which I personally like. Iโve found out about new shows that way that I otherwise would have missed.
Those doesn't exist unless you don't mind their utter garbage quality.
jib661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lots of people WILL unsubscribe, but netflix isn't just some niche streaming service. lots of people will stay with them through pretty much anything now.
ois747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
any torrent site recommendations? the mainstream ones have gone to shit these days
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ois747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's alright but really slow for me these days
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ois747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sorry i just meant navigating the site is slow, probably because my ISP blocks it except for the shitty proxies. torrent speeds on good torrents are fine, have 360Mb download
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix really shouldn't forget that the only thing keeping it ahead of it's competition (which isn't cable boxes, it's getting stuff for free) is convenience and the quality of the experience. If either of these things drop... well, there goes their entire selling point.
Compare, for example, GoG. Good Old Games is almost exclusively stuff you could pirate. Heck, they require that games they sell have no DRM (because it's harmful to the end-user experience, but pirates can get rid of it).
They understand that they are competing with piracy. So they have provided an experience that is better. And people pay for it, shock of shocks! I have a huge GoG library, and I will recommend it to anyone who is interested in playing games on a PC.
It's so nice to be able to get games that are almost as old as I am, and then have them work on these new-fangled computer boxes.
Netflix, meanwhile, makes binge-watching a series a lot quicker and easier than a piratical option (depending on your internet speed, of course). It remembers exactly where I am in an episode if I have to go to sleep, or if my house burns down, or whatever. And it lets me skip credits and intros, and remembers that I like to do that, for optimum amount of time spent actually watching the show I'm watching (and even prevents itself from skipping if the show is doing a different intro or something is happening through the credits - wonderful!)
But if this ease of use and general quality slip, and you're spending ten seconds of every episode you watch waiting for a trailer to be over... It becomes more worth your time to just spend a few hours downloading the shows you like for free, instead of paying money to waste your time between every one.
Now, obviously, they have their own metrics, and their own goals. Customer satisfaction is to be considered, but only to further the ultimate end goal which is, of course, making money. And maybe they have data that says I'm 100% wrong, and they make way more money with these trailers than without them. It's possible.
But considering the streaming service rush that appears to be happening, snapping up customers who are really only going to pay for one or two... well, there used to only be a few good places to stream shows and movies online. Once there are a dozen, I think quality of content and quality of experience are going to determine market shares to a fairly heavy degree. After all, who wants to pay money to be frustrated? (Insert joke about fans of rival sports team here)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:33:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think this signals that Netlifx is at market saturation - they don't think they can secure many new subscribers, therefore they really don't care about "selling" their product.
At this stage, it is about monetizing the exisiting users as much as as possible, but slowly enough so they don't cancel their auto pay. Look at all the comments promising they'll cancel if they see one ad - Netflix knows most of them won't actually do it, and the ones that stay generate more ad money than is lost in canceled subscriptions.
Exactly this, I'd be happy to pay for Netflix but this is just the last thing for me that makes it less hassle to pirate. I put up with autoplay and the match system but this is too much for me.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The mere mention of Netflix testing ads was enough for me. I was on the fence with the UI change for auto-playing trailers hoping that they'd revert it. That's it I'm out. I still pirated most of my content regardless if it was on Netflix due to the UI change, but felt a little better about it knowing I paid for it anyway. I prefer my plex box to Netflix's UI any day.
Stormfly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:51:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to pirate, but I stopped once I started using Crunchyroll and Netflix.
Now that both of those are going to crap, it seems like I'll need to brush up on my sea shanties...
agzz21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's going on with Crunchyroll?
Stormfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It just runs terribly for me now, and from what I hear they are outsourcing everything and it's causing issues with the software. It was bought out by a big company (Verizon?) so people are guessing it's cost-cutting measures.
It might just be flash is causing issues, but they don't show signs of putting any decent progress into moving on from flash player.
There are also stories every now and then of subs issues (mistranslation) and of declining quality (1080p not being 1080p) which just makes it seem like Pirates are both better quality AND free.
I don't know how much the studios actually benefit from Crunchyroll either, so even my conscience might not be enough to keep me there if it keeps getting worse.
Thing is.. i still torrent just about everything new and rewatch shit on netflix later on for convenience and some type of financial transaction in an absurd overpaid culture. It would be sooooo goddamn easy to just throw it out again. Was without it for about a year and it didnt really hurt. If they add the sliiiightest of ad.. thats it. Its just another fucking tv channel.
Hello, can I interest you in some nice u s e n e t ?
tabarra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do have a Netflix account but quite often I still end up torrenting some stuff, even Netflix Originals.
No buffering, no browser player, no bullshit.
I basically only use Netflix when something is quite old/unpopular and torrenting would be hard, or when it's some small season of a show that I probably would never watch again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to continue to sing your second statement to the time of a pirates life. I was sad it didnโt work, I really tried.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing themselves heavily as ad-free then introducing ads has me at the point where I don't really give a shit whether I'm entitled to it or not. Massive fuck you to customers who are paying a lot of money. I'll start paying again when they get rid of ads.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sure you live a sparkling life where convenience never impacted you and never broke a law. Youโve never broke the speed limit or jaywalked? And youโll do it again. Donโt be so self-righteous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FWIW, I'm not disagreeing with your main point.
"Disagreeing with their business model does not entitle you their content."
I agree, but going around berating people for doing it is a bit churlish. Just as it would be to berate people for jaywalking.
pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:07:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you are commoditizing an entire industry.
From the stock trader who's actions value and devalue a company for his own profit, hypocrite.
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[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what about all the people who can't afford food and water and you complaining about promo ads for something you already own and can use. Whataboutism for your whataboutism.
thoggins ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:30:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Make me.
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate streams are not illegal, been streaming anything I want for years.
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pcs2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watching Pirate Streams Isn't Illegal. Stop astroturfing for ad companies.
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We don't like it when you steal or identity and sell it, theif.
thoggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the law won't make me do anything. At worst my ISP will object, but there are very easy and cheap ways around that.
At least for the present, if you want to be compensated for your work you have to come to us. We don't have to come to you.
Obviously you are exactly right ... but this is Reddit, just as obviously you are going to get downvoted. People are most touchy and defensive about behaviors they know are wrong.
Every successful product, service, or company undergoes 6 stages.
Underground Stage: It isn't fully developed, but it is used by people in the know. Users tend to consider themselves an exclusive club and try to spread it to their trusted friends.
Golden Age: It is decently developed, and enjoys considerable popularity. This is the best time to be a part of it.
Cultural Peak: It becomes available on store shelves and is known by pretty much everybody.
Taxation Stage: As competitors appear and new ideas wait on the horizon, it begins to employ some additional monetization techniques, some of which are blatantly anti-consumer.
Cash-out Stage: Desperate to stay relevant to investors, it employs all the monetization techniques it can get its hands on, and cuts all the corners it can. Maximum profit for minimum effort is blatantly obvious. Usually bought out by competitors during this stage.
Death: The thing is a shell of its former self. It doesn't even work properly anymore, and its workers are set on a death march. Downsizing happens left and right as the owners disassemble the entire project. Eventually the thing shuts down in favor of newer things, becoming a footnote in history.
Discord is in the cultural peak stage.
Netflix is in the taxation stage.
Reddit is in the cashout stage.
This cycle happens to every good thing, always and forever. Instead of crying over it, it's best to learn to recognize the signs and develop exit strategies when the time comes.
This is a perfect chart for a successful product's life. I called this years ago back when Netflix was at its peak. It was inevitably going to get too bloated and too corporate driven. Their programming isn't even that great tbh. They have a few gems but it seems like they're just throwing every idea out there so that eventually there will be a hit. But the more they invest in original content the less they have to rely on paying for the rights to lease content from other networks/studios.
The problem is that the licenses for streaming the non Netflix Original shows and movies get more and more expensive to renew, because there is now more demand than there used to be back when Netflix started. By 2008-2010 when Netflix started getting big they were the only company buying streaming licenses, so they were very cheap, and Netflix could afford a lot of shows. Now, there are multiple competitors, from very large companies like Google, Amazon or Comcast, or even the show producers themselves, bidding for streaming licenses, which raises their prices. Not to mention the slowing growth of customers, most of which can only afford 1 or 2 subscriptions. Netflix tried to pull subscribers by pivoting into a producing company with their originals, and it worked for a few years, but now others are doing this too.
So that leaves Netflix with a dilemma to stay profitable and relevant: either raise the subscription price (something not really acceptable nowadays), or find new forms of income, like ads.
As an alternative-app Reddit user, I see Reddit in a sort of preliminary phase of the Taxation stage (because of ads in the app and the odd shill post). But as soon as they start pushing promoted/sponsored posts to third-party apps, it'll instantly go to the Cash-Out stage at which point I'll be desperately looking for alternatives.
Avarix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except Netflix isnโt in competition with those other platforms since you canโt get Netflix content anywhere else. They will be in the cultural peak until they start licensing out their content to other services.
Because they aren't ads for other products. They're simply advertising their own content.
HBO has been doing it for decades hut nobody reasonable says that HBO has commercials.
droans ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:31:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd understand if they wanted to create some low-tier service for, say $5 per month which gives you the same service as their next option except with ads. But I disagree with giving their current plans ads.
See that's what Hulu does but it's like 4 ads per episode. And if you're watching on mobile and lock your screen for two fucking seconds the show closes, which means you have to start it up again and watch another ad. I cannot tell you how many times I actually watched like 10 ads per episode of Handmaids Tale before I gave up and upgraded
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like their model worked perfectly on you lol
Only for the month that I watched handmaid's tale. After the season finale I canceled completely instead of staying on to see what else they could offer me so.. they lost more money than they won
jamescfm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Television channels have been showing ads and charging for their service for as long as theyโve existed. I donโt particularly agree with Netflixโs strategy but I find that Reddit is full of people who feel they have a divine right not to see an advertisement.
The Drake-Spotify controversy springs to mind as another example, people were going out of their minds that Drakeโs face was on a handful of curated playlists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is these ads aren't nearly as bad as other popular video services. I constantly see Hulu advertising all their extra packages and shows I can't see unless I pay more money. YouTube and Twitch ads are interrupting just as frequently as cable commercials it seems and are never relevant to me. At least with these Netflix promos it's just for stuff you already pay for unlike everywhere else. I don't like ads and hope to see them at least be optional and easily skippable if they have to exist. Unlike many reddit users I don't use it for watching one singular show over and over again (just buy the series).
[deleted] ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 15:04:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I live in Switzerland where torrents are legal, as long as you don't upload (I know...). Still, we happily switched to Netflix to avoid the "hassle", despite the dreadful movie selection they have to offer here (We torrent the ones we want to see). If this is coming our way, we're definitely canceling and switching back to the "hassle".
They are ads for their own original content and are usually shown in the middle of binge watching something that has nothing to do with what you're binging (so I've heard). I haven't seen any yet but the minute I do I will be having a discussion in the household about canceling.
Doesn't sound so bad to be honest. I wouldn't have found out about Barry if HBO didn't advertise its premiere while I was binging The Deuce. There have been lots of Netflix/HBO shows I totally bailed on because I forgot when it was airing. If Netflix wants to promote their content and keep me updated on stuff I am interested in, I don't see the problem.
Even though I'm not disagreeing with you, not in the commercial format that made Netflix different from the rest. One of the main reasons to leave cable or "cut the cord" and go with Netflix is it's ad/commercial free concept. If they go and start advertising their own content, it defeats the purpose. They've had many ways of advertising their content before (like actual trailers, perhaps posters on their UI or a "Discover" page, with content of the shows/movies), but not when someone is streaming a somewhat-totally unrelated show/movie, and gets what is essentially a non-outsourced commercial
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but a system where ads are shown at the end of episodes instead of breaking the pacing in the middle of episodes is still significantly better. I am conflicted on this one really, I want to cancel if I get shown ads however they may not be intrusive enough for me to follow through.
I "cut the cord" from cable for several reasons. I don't watch about 85% of the channels. The sports channels were mostly irrelevant to me except for boxing. The ads were overwhelming and you can feel news, politics, and other important outlets having to edit their content for short buzzy headlines to keep you coming back and not drift off during the commercial break. Its not exactly "fake news" but there is some truth to that phrase. I started to feel like I wasn't getting the whole picture, more of a spectacle.
I'm with you on the amount that Netflix advertises its own content. Depending on your viewing habits that could be problematic. Again, totally up to you.
A skippable ad at the end of an episode doesn't make Netflix like everybody else. God forbid your binge is extended by 3 seconds while you skip the ad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because it's a start to the inevitable slide into increased ads. First it's Netflix only and between episodes. Then perhaps two commercials, one of which isn't netflix. Maybe later they're not skippable etc and so on.
The outrage is because for many netflix subscribers, the reason they got netflix in the first place was because there were zero commercials. You were paying to stream your shows with no interruptions.
The outrage in this case isn't about the specific ads themselves, but about the precedent netflix is aiming to set.
It's such a crappy headline honestly. A better headline is "Netflix has a ton of shit dawg, you probably missed some of it fam."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if it's just nice, friendly netflix trying to help me out, then allow me to opt out. Not of the trial period, but the actual launched "feature."
vany365 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:08:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to scroll a LONG way down to see this. I completely agree. HBO has introduced me to half the shows I watch on their site by the trailers before GoT.
If I get the same success rate from Netflix introducing me to new shows I would find this as a good thing
Yup there's a fundamental difference between "here's an advert for a product or service you might purchase, we're being paid to show you this" and "here's a feature of the service you already pay for that you might enjoy and not know about yet".
If Netflix is just going to tell me about other crap I can watch on Netflix when I'm binging then I don't see it as advertising really.
Usually I'm napping to the office so I don't see it much but when I'm awake it's not that bad. In the wait time between one episode and the next they have a panel that pops up showing a Netflix original show you might be interested in. It's easy to skip by just pressing "watch next episode". If it were unskipable bet I'd unsubscribe too but it just fills the space where the credits used to be. I never watched the credits anyway and I'm too lazy to hit a button more than once every 3 episodes. Lol
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it will be a slippery slope from here. Once they realize they can get away with that then more invasive advertising will be coming and before we know it we will be paying to be advertised to. As everyone mentioned, nipping this in the bud with our wallets is the only good way to show that customers won't tolerate it.
Most cable TV used to be ad free in the 70's and 80's, or had a commercial free hour or what have you. Nowadays, you'll be hard pressed to even think of cable and ad-free in the same sentence.
I know I keep using HBO as an example but its a similar bussiness model. They have never advertised anything but their own content for several decades. Is there an example of a subscription based media product going down this slippery slope?
All this outrage is just blind mob anger. Its up to you but I'm keeping my subscription.
Well the entire point of Netflix is to watch a streaming service with no commercials so I think people worried about a slippery slope are worried for nothing.
The second you see an Audi commercial on Netflix is the second they die and they know that.
I mean, look at the blowback for optional, skippable, short ads for their own content during credits of an episode. They know they can't have actual commercials.
The whole reason I stopped watching broadcast and cable TV is because I was sick of spending 10 minutes out of every 30 minute show watching commercials.
And you wont. It's a 15-30 second ad, and they don't play after every show.
McGreed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right now, that's the point, this is just the beginning. It's a slippery slope, and we have seen from previous examples, that it will not stop there, despite of people "oh you are just paranoid". It's not paranoia, it's experience with the shittiness of companies.
How can you prove this one small step that they are using to advertise their own content will turn into full blown ads for other companies.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:36:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Slippery slopes are a fallacy and ultimately a failed argument. It's so reliant on the fallacy I can just flip a few words for a different slippery slope.
Right now, that's the point, this is just the beginning. Its a slippery slope to trust Mexicans, and we have seen from allowing the Blacks in that it will not stop there, despite of people "oh you are just racist". It's not racism, its experiences with the shittiness of coloreds
That's just not true. The tests they're running are in between shows. They don't stop you mid episode. You've got 15-20 seconds of credits in between shows where a user just sits and waits for the next episode. Why not let the user see what other content is available that night relate to what you like?
IMO this is a solid idea and if it stays as described above I welcome it with open arms.
They aren't even ads. They are recommendations for other shows on the platform that is played between some episodes. They stated this is to bring people more options so they don't spend so much time browsing for a show.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of what they claim are the advertisements but since "I haven't seen any ads yet..." I wanted to verify with someone who has seen them that they weren't something like product placement during a notification of a premier for a show. It's farfetched, of course, but again "I haven't seen any ads yet...".
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen any ads
that followed by this:
like how COMPETITORadvertises their shows, movies, and specials?
Either you have seen ads or you haven't.
This is just more of that TRUTH ISN'T TRUTH bullshit.
I think its like a feature. They are really pushing one or two shows, possibly die to their licensing deal with the producer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently binging TNG and between every episode I've gotten the same ad for a shitty stand-up comedy special - do I like stand-up? Yeah. Does that show on my Netflix account? No.
So, neither really. It's just another way to show you their shitty originals I'd say ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've always done this and no one has cared. Most people didn't mind to see blockbuster branding when at blockbuster, its the addition of the "You can skip this in X seconds" like what happens on youtube that people don't want.
I pay for Netflix to have a shit ton of on-demand content. If its premise was "Cable without commercials" I'd understand the outrage, but that's not what it is at all. They still provide an amazing service and are just promoting their own shows in skippable ads so that people find more stuff they like.
Could not agree more, it is always funny to compare Reddit's level of outrage with the amount of actual inconvenience involved in whatever they are outraged about. "IT'S THE PRINCIPLE!" often makes it funnier.
droans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They even run commercials if you bought the item your watching.
Yeah but they are easily skipped and I've found a new show to watch from some of them. I don't have an inherent problem with the existence of advertisement.
See, I don't care about that. I don't like it, but it doesn't ruin the experience, the same way trailers dont ruin the experience of a movie in the theater. I would always pick a streaming service with no ads, but that method isn't a complete deal breaker. On the other hand, interrupting a show I'm watching to try and sell me shit means you're never getting my money again, and I will actively avoid buying any of the products advertised. The interruption is the infuriating part. Amazon suggesting that they have other shows and then moving on to give me uninterrupted content is passable. A service that puts my show on pause right when I'm getting into it to force me to listen to how much better some fucking laundry detergent is? Not gonna fly with me.
While I am completely against the idea of commercials between episodes, Netflix does have a unique problem.
Once I completely cut off cable I soon realized something I didn't expect: I have no idea what new shows/movies exist. I'm not someone who seeks out that sort of entertainment, which is why dropping cable made sense. But now I am generally unaware when a new show comes around I might be interested in.
So the position netflix finds themselves in as they're trying to build their portfolio of original shows, without commercials, is they're unable to advertise the shows to their audience. When people consume 95% of their programming through your ad free platform how can you tell them about all the great stuff they're missing out on?
Idk they do a pretty good job of marketing their stuff on pop culture sites (like AV Club) and on their home page - it's pretty much impossible to log in to Netflix to watch your favorite shows without having their splash ads all in your face, auto playing obnoxiously. Word of mouth referrals are also pretty ubiquitous as everyone generally assumes everyone else has netflix now.
To me this seems like a solution for a different problem - Netflix has spent a ton on its original content without having a plan as to how it will recoup that spending. Saying it's going to do a better job attracting viewership to that content is a patch to investors, while also desensitizing viewers to the concept of some ads between their content. That opens the door for actual ads later on if Netflix feels the need for additional revenue streams
They do do a lot of advertising online. Those ads really hit their core demographic and work well.
I think they're trying to figure out how to get in touch with a more offline crowd. My dad streams stuff a decent amount. Older generations have started to pick up netflix more, but they're still not going to see ads in places like AV Club. He comes home, turns on the tv and starts to watch whever. He's never going to see ad's if he cuts cable completely.
It might be good for Netflix create virtual channels. Something like what you get with pseudo channels on kodi. The older generation might be more inclined to pick up new shows if yougive them a way to "channel surf".
I despise Hulu ads. It's always the same handful of ads that play over and over and over and over and over every fucking break. I don't watch Hulu by choice and I'd cancel it if my wife didn't care about it so much.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That or they are trying to sell me on shows I would have to buy an additional subscription to see.
koick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what new shows/movies exist.
Well, they do already have the "New on Netflix" category. But, I've got a revolutionary idea for them to really solve this problem! Bring back the damn stars! But this time do not fucking alter them based on how they guess I'll like a show - nope, just show the raw ratings other viewers have given shows (heck, even take it another step towards imdb type info and show other information and detailed reviews). Then, let me sort by highest rated shows in different categories. It's not rocket science. Netflix quit fucking trying to guess if I'll like a show, give me more options/information for me to find what I want.
imo, that's what the front page of the website should be for. instead I see the same 20-30 titles in different orders under different categories. it really wouldn't be that hard to have a new/upcoming section that gets updated more than once a month.
f_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe their mistake here is presenting it in commercial form instead of periodically offering a prominent button to click to see their latest trailers. They could lure curious viewers instead of dropping the trailer on their laps.
I rely almost completely on the "Because you watched" category to find new shows I like on Netflix.
I can see these ads helping me find more content I enjoy, but the problem is always whether or not they will expand to just regular ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I need something new to watch, I actively use all the features they have available for discovery. When I donโt need something new to watch, I donโt care whatโs new on the platform and I donโt want any recommendations. When the time comes Iโll check the โWhatโs Newโ category. I pay for the content not for a butler.
I had to scroll to far to find this. Netflix has a very serious discoverability issue. I have always found it hard to know whatโs happening on the platform! They are experimenting with ways to solve this I bet.
qaasq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. I saw one of their "commercials" and was actually surprised I'd never heard of it before because it looked great. I realized I set myself up to not see anything new or have any idea what new shows are coming out
There's nothing wrong with word of mouth advertising. In fact, people are something like 80% more likely to trust a peer than an ad. So the answer is buzz. News. Word of mouth. There's no need for commercials. Especially forced commercials.
samfx99 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:20:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only example Iโve seen of this is something that says โyou might like The Ranchโ in between episodes of That โ70s Show during the normal countdown between episodes. Itโs 100% skippable like always. People are blowing this way out of proportion
That isnโt what Iโve been having recently. That was fine, and didnโt actually bother me.
Iโm having loud, full on trailers that last as long or longer than the normal duration of the countdown. Itโs frustrating to me because theyโre so jarring and aggressively louder than the show I was watching when they popped up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Normal countdown begins at the same time as the credits and is 15 seconds. Are you saying these are no longer, they begin as soon as the credits start, and the next episode starts immediately after? That I can handle. But what if I want to watch the credits?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You click the credits and watch them like always. They just put the credits in a mini box since most don't want to watch them
I don't mind it after a long movie, or even after finishing a series. But doing it in the middle of a series is extremely frustrating. Their recommendations are shit, and binging Trailer Park Boys and getting ads for My Little Pony in the middle would fucking suck.
Ndtphoto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give them time, Netflix will make Bronies out of all of us.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that running ads on YouTube and Twitch is a good thing though, because the services are free on their own and ads provide incentive for content creators to keep doing what they do. Specifically for free services, ads keep things free and are an unfortunate reality that do hurt the product, but allow the product to exist.
Compared to the glory days of youtube/twitch/etc with no ads, no thanks. Yes profitability is a good thing for a service to grow and improve but advertising ruins the consumer experience.
I canceled my subscription over the weekend. I couldn't remember the last time I actively wanted to watch something on Netflix. The wife agreed. Plus the auto-play and commercials-that-are-not-commercials thing just made it all go poof.
Oh fuck that. A commercial for another Netflix show is still a commercial. If you want to recommend programs to me based on my viewing habits just have a section that says โrecommendationsโ in the list. You know like you do now.
Even adding a fucking 5 second little advert while watching a show/movie is unnecessary and frankly unwanted.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once I'm done watching Mindhunters, I am planning on canceling Netflix. The forced loud previews while perusing content has really turned me off to them -- it's very obnoxious. They are quite literally cattle prodding their subscribers with loud noise to force them to watch something. The arrogance and level of disrespect to subscribers this sort of behavior belies is astounding. Furthermore, I didn't originally subscribe to Netflix to get access to a lot of original programming -- that's what HBO is. If I wanted HBO, I'd pay for HBO. I just wanted a place to get movies and shows made by other people easy and cheap. While I like some of the original shows they make, sooner or later the cost of all this stuff, most of which is not very good, is going to hit me in the wallet.
From someone who has a degree in communications, has worked behind the scene, and has worked for a few free market platforms, I can let you know that by legal definition Netflix is NOT airing commercials. They are promoting their own content on a platform that you are already paying for.
A commercial is made to get you to BUY something. You have already paid for Netflix.
It is the equivalent of a FREE radio station promoting its own content in between songs. It is in no way a commercial. Trust me on this. None of the free market stations I have worked at could legally be defined as free if promoting your own content was considered a commercial.
The reason you have to put "legal" in front of "definition" is because the actual definition of what a commercial is certainly includes people and companies advertising for themselves on their own platforms.
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 14:59:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Tylorw09 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:12:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs really understandable.
But itโs a different argument than โNetflix says itโs not airing ads, while airing adsโ
Goronmon ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:58:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Legal definitions aren't the only definitions that matter. If people see something that looks like an ad, they are going to consider it an ad regardless of whichever nitpicky definition you use to argue otherwise.
No one cares that it doesn't fit the legal definition. It has the same effect of interrupting your show and cramming content down your throat. Just because they are marketing to existing customers doesn't make it any less of an advertisement.
buod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:32 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen the "ads." They're like a recommendation clip based on the things you've watched. If you have autoplay on, then the next episode on the series that you're watching will play instead of the "ad". It doesn't interrupt your show. Good lord, you people just really want a reason to use your dusty pitchforks.
I don't have Netflix but are you able to skip past them?
buod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you can click skip. They're barely even noticeable. It's just a recommendations box. Good lawd all these people on this thread are so excited to use their pitchforks
ttam281 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It does when you're headline implies they are commercials and Netflix is saying they aren't. It's not interrupting your show. It's a clip from another show that plays after you watch an episode and you can just click play next episode like you do normally.
You're missing the point, which is that the Netflix experience is being degraded. People are rightfully upset and complaining about it. Arguing about the legal definition of the specific mechanism that degrades the experience is just being pedantic.
ttam281 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, the headline has muddled the issue. I would disagree about my experience being degraded. I'll just click next episode like I normally would. I doubt I would have even noticed were it not for reddit losing its shit over this.
I talked to Netflix's customer service. They said that things may change after the testing period and they don't know how exactly, but right now they are saying there will be unskippable ads. I'm unsure if all of them will be though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That top source information. I heard it from someone so trust me because they said I'm right. I don't think that customer service has in depth knowledge and are working from the same statement you are.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs coming at a time when I otherwise would be able to continue watching with no interruption. Netflix destroyed the concept that you stop watching when an episode ends. They cannot go back and try to lean on it now.
I really donโt care if itโs 20 minutes into each episode or in between episodes, itโs a deliberate interruption.
ttam281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hypothetical question. If the preview is the exact same length you would wait before another show started, would it still be an issue? Hypothetical only because this may already be the case, I haven't even run into the post episode clips yet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd be fine with that, as long as they are very careful what they advertise. Iโve never watched an Adam Sandler movie on Netflix, and Iโve gone ahead and thumbed them down anyway just to make sure Netflix understands. If they show me a preview for one of his movies, for any reason, Iโm out.
[Edit: Iโve pretty much accepted that they will run banner ads at the top of the main UI for whatever their newest thing is, regardless of my viewing habits. I donโt mind that at all if itโs just an image. With auto-playing videos, I donโt like it but itโs not a dealbreaker for me because I built a simple extension for my browser that mutes the sound on that page.]
ttam281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to really dislike Adam Sandler. I gotta ask, any particular reason why?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I remember telling potty jokes when I was in 5th grade, and the sex stuff was funny in 8th grade, but by the time he really hit the scene a few years later I was over it. That heโs still doing the same 90s humor 25 years later is just mind-boggling to me. I donโt judge what other people like, and I didnโt mean to be overly specific. I just used it as an example of something Netflix should definitely know about me.
However, my wife has reminded me that he is in the movie โMixed Nuts,โ which I love.
ttam281 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. Just making sure I didn't miss some scandal he was wrapped up in.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People use Netflix to binge. That is a huge interruption to go from start to credits -> Ad -> Next show. If it interrupts my viewing of a particular program to show me something else, it's a fucking commercial. I don't care who or what it's showing.
ttam281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just click on start next episode, like you would anyways.
I don't click that I chose Netflix because it auto goes to the next episode and I'm doing other things (cooking, wood working ext) that keep my hands busy or moving around.
No. It would be more like an autoplay video showing a short preview of suggested content that occurred between two songs from the same album that you were trying to listen to without interruption. Or the same interruption for a multivideo instructional series. If we're going to be pedantic then let's get it right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are going to get pedantic then it's just a promo for there service. HBO another subscription that has no commercials does the same thing. It can't be a commercial since you already own the product and no commercial gain would be had for anyone viewing it. So it's not a commercial or an advertisement because you already own it and have full access to it.
Not like it matters you've probably spent more time here arguing useless bullshit than you would have spent with years of the proposed promo time anyway.
It is a commercial because the goal is to make you want to keep using your existing service which is a monthly subscription. When you hop on an airline, they tell in their little promo movies (which incidentally are commercials) about all of their free services and amenities after you've already bought the airfare. Is that to get you to buy the same flight? No, it's to reaffirm your decision to fly with them and hope you choose them again for the next flight.
From someone that doesn't care what the legal definition of a commercial is, these are commercials and I'll cancel my subscription if I start seeing them.
Golf327 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no you won't
Bfranx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:03:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For now, but what do you think will happen once they've established this process and get people to go along with it? Continue to promote only their own content, or make even more money by putting commercials in their place?
If we're looking at the short term it's not that bad, but Netflix has long term goals with this idea of theirs, so we should look at the long term as well.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has two paid tiers and both have commercials. The lowest tier has several per show and the premium tier has far fewer ads but still shows commercials before certain titles.
If a title is recommended to a consumer because the company paid Netflix to have it promoted, then it's still technically paid promotion/ad. If Netflix is recommending titles without being paid, then they should make it an opt-out.
Couldn't someone argue that the airing of previews for their own content would amount to persuading you to continue using the service, aka continue making the purchase of $10.99/mo or whatever it is, and therefore qualify as an advertisement?
PFunk224 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix defending themselves with semantics is a good way to ensure I never use their service again. "See, I'm not choking you, I'm strangling you."
It's garbage no matter how you frame it. When I select a video, I want to watch that video, and exclusively that video, not "We will return you to your video after this 30 second promotional video".
From someone who has a degree in hating fucking ads no matter how you try to spin it, itโs the reason I dropped (uh, I mean took a permanent break from) satellite radio, they are playing with fire.
They start that shit Iโm gone, and not just saying it, but doing it when/if I see them. Iโm already fed up with the auto preview and the DONG! At startup that nobody wanted.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I do. Sure it's bad for the platform but at least I have immediate access to anything shown with no additional cost. Advertisements to buy things would be much more problematic for me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is some heinously dumb definitional dodging: if I already own a Samsung S9, and I see a commercial for one, is it not a commercial for me?
Commercials exist to expose you to a product regardless of your ownership status. These are, in fact, Netflix commercials. I don't care that I don't need to pay to 'use them', I care about the fact that they are interrupting the product I paid for to tell me about products they think I 'need to know'. If you really want to be pedantic about it (obviously you do), then they are implicitly selling me additional months of Netflix service to consume the media that's getting advertised to me.
Imagine playing a video game that interrupts you every 30 minutes to tell you about a companion app. It's free on itunes, so it's not a commercial right? How long do you think that flimsy argument will hold up?
I have prime and use it sometimes when Netflix doesn't have something I wanna see and their player is just unabashed dogshit. It genuinely makes me reconsider if I wanna bother with it unless I'm really intent on watching something specific.
Tylorw09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like my experiences with Hulu.
I just want to watch the last season of New Girls but itโs unbelievable how shitty the Hulu UI is.
Amazon Prime has a shit ton of fucking shit that makes it worth your while besides movies/shows. Hell, they gave away Battle Chef Brigade and Tyranny along with an asston of other games last month to "Twitch Prime" subscribers(aka Amazon Prime subscribers... you just link your account). This month is a free month of Runescape membership along with some indie games including Steam World Dig.
Seriously, opening the app on my phone the first thing I see is a full screen ad!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch on my xbone and I get zero ads, not even ads for paid movies/TV shows. I think it's some agreement that they have with MS.
Vsx ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:07:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime hits me with a prerun commercial for another show like 80% of the time at least. HBO does the same thing. It's very annoying especially on HBO because they spoil their own shows that I'm planning to watch in prerun ads on other shows.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can fast forward through those at least. Not as good as if they didn't show them at all but you can avoid the show specific ones.
If I remember the generic "You're watching HBO" ad can't be skipped but it's a hodgepodge of stuff. I honestly don't understand though why HBO is advertising to me why I should watch HBO when I'm watching HBO. Like I'm already in buddy, when I'm trying to use the service is the worst time to stop me and sell me on it.
Vsx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're just trying to avoid the type of person who says "there's nothing on Netflix" and cancels when they've watched .1% of the whole library. To some extent it is smart to make people aware of your new content coming out. They just need to figure out how to do it in a more tactful way that doesn't give away plot points and doesn't intrude on the viewing experience by breaking up a binge of another show.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that but I feel like something like the watch list and "continue watching" NEED to be in the same location every time. Like when I say "I'm going to watch that new season of Voltron" but I can't find the list and after scrolling down trying to find it. I could go back up to search and slowly type Voltron with my tv remote but 9 times out of 10 I say fuck it and go check my subscriptions on youtube.
I'm a rare person though, usually I don't open things unless I already know what I'm going to watch. I purposefully will go down into Netflix and look for new stuff add it to my list then go back and watch what I opened it to watch. I just don't see the benefit to hiding a self curated list made by the user from the user.
I would also argue to them that "New to Netflix" needs pinned right under the watch list and needs to be smarter. Seeing the new season of a show that I've already watched and came out 9 months ago mixed in there is confusing and makes it seem like it's just promoted content.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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artishee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm usually the last guy to say it but this thread sounds so fucking r/LateStageCapitalism, half the comments are โfuck this limited test Netflix is doing that I can opt out of, I cancelled and subscribed to <service that already shows ads>โ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs the point. If both companies have adverts, may as well go for the one with more content. Netflix is eliminating the only thing represents an advantage for them.
derf82 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen an ad during programming. They want to show me a banner ad while I find what I'm watching, I don't care.
Eurell ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:16:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But Netflix isn't doing it During programming either, right? Its at the end of the episode, and also skippable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs during time that they expect you meant to sit and continue watching. Iโd say thatโs โDuring programmingโ
derf82 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a video ad, though.
Eurell ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:27:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that changes anything I said
derf82 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads with sound suck more than ads without sound. I would rather a silent ad before than a noisy ad after.
But, whatever, to each their own.
Eurell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would rather a silent ad before than a noisy ad after.
Yeah I definitely don't agree with that. Ads before interrupt what I want, skippable stuff after, doesn't interrupt anything, and noise doesn't matter to me since I'm watching tv anyway, the show I was watching a second ago was also noisy.
Some people are repeating what Netflix is saying that it is not an ad, since it is a trailer for other Netflix shows, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an ad.
Netflix "ads" come AFTER the show. Prime ads come before the show. If ads are your problem, Prime is worse.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on your platform, but you do have a point. I watch on my xbone and there are zero ads so I didn't even know Prime had them on other platforms. I think I mentally give prime a pass because "I don't pay for it" as it's included in my prime subscription that I'd have one way or another, so to me it feels like a free product.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Iโm watching multiple episodes, there is no difference between the end of one and the beginning of another.
Pre show trailer for other shows. Get them all the time.
Magnious ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:47:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Enough is enough...I am cancelling Netflix and going to Prime...where they have more commercials than Netflix....
lol
derf82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen a video ad on prime. I don't know what you all are talking about.
But, this is just a final straw. I have watched next to nothing on Netflix the last 2 months. Their programming is what chased me away.
Magnious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen them promote "The Grand Tour" and "The Tick".
I actually don't watch much on Prime because their selection is horrible. I have it for the free 2 day shipping, and free twitch subs.
But honestly, Netflix promoting their own content is not horrible...how else are you supposed to know what new shows they are releasing? It used to be easy when they only had 3 shows..but now they have many to sift through.
My 5 y/o doesnโt know any better so he calls them loading screen lol.
Delica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They broke the network model, but then they started focusing on their own exclusive shows...and now theyโre adding commercials. That sounds just like CBS. How do you revolutionize, then devolve?!
PMach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've partially stopped using Netflix because their glut of original content is overwhelming. I was fine with their first few shows because they were...well, good. And I could name them all. Now I'll only check them out if my friends insist on it (like GLOW), otherwise I don't bother, as a rule. I don't have the time, patience, or desire to check any of them out at this point.
"But that's why we're doing this!" - Netflix
No, Netflix. You need to stop green lighting every bullshit premise that crosses your desk. Consumers are very good at finding and watching things they like.
Edit: spelling
Iored94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least they didnt take the Spike TV route and only show 4 commercials a day often repeating one or two commercials per break
Iโve been on Netflix this past weekend and didnโt come across any commercials
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are the "commercials" people are referring to the trailers for shows displaying at the top op the home page? Where if i scroll down It stops playing? or is there something else that i am forced to watch?
Biggie39 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:22:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know Iโm in the minority here but Iโm not sure this is a terrible thing. Netflix already plays a trailer for one of their โNetflix Originalsโ after you watch a movie and while the credits are playing. Also my biggest problem with Netflix is the content overload, there is simply so much content that I donโt even know where to start looking and typically have no idea what their new stuff is about. They make so much new content and if they donโt advertise it, it wonโt get watched.
For example if Iโm bingeing โStranger Thingsโ and then after three episodes they run a โBlack Mirrorโ spot, Iโm not going to be to mad.
Aelpa ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:28:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The BBC is 'ad free' and regularly runs 3 mins of unskippable advertising for their own content in between programs.
I like to know what else is on the BBC schedule as well, plus the 2-3 minutes between shows is a nice opportunity to get a drink or go to the toilet.
dfassna1 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People are seriously overreacting to this. It's like when people complained about paying for Hulu but having ads. People are out here paying $100+ dollars a month for cable and watching ads, but paying $8 and having fewer ads is unacceptable. I don't like ads either, but they're inevitable and at least Netflix is just advertising their own content. They're not taking money from outside companies to shove Esurance down your throat.
The people complaining about these ads are the least likely to have cable. I cancelled cable TV like 5 years ago and will never go back. Seeing commercials these days is very jarring and irritating after you've gone for years without having to see them. If I'm at my parent's house I always get slightly confused for a sec when a commercial starts playing and then I'm like ohhh yea, that's why I don't have this garbage anymore. The fact is, Netflix became what it is because it's on demand and there are no ads. If that changes then they will lose customers without a doubt.
I predict that they'll end up like Hulu where there's a cheaper tier with ads or you can pay extra to get rid of them. They're already letting the genie out of the bottle, I don't see them completely forgetting about ads, it will only got worse. The first time I'm interrupted by an ad that I can't skip, I cancel my subscription on the spot.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah commercials are a foreign and strange experience when you may experience them only 3-4 times in a year. I have ad free everything, even youtube and have most things I listen to/watch downloaded. So I can legit go months without seeing/hearing one. So like when I'm at my grandmas it feels so chaotic. Like I'm watching clips of a show at a time.
I cannot stand the radio now lol. Like after three ads I'm just tempted to turn it off.
dfassna1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that Netflix kind of proves that a service without ads or without higher prices is unsustainable. They are losing billions of dollars every year and taking on more and more debt despite having over 100 million subscribers. They are investing in enough new content to make their service necessary for anyone without cable and when that happens their prices will go up and they very possibly will have real ads one day. People talk about how they'll start pirating and they can do that if they want, but that only works because most people won't do it. It will take a lot more than these advertisements for their own shows for me to start pirating again because I love the convenience of being able to stop the show on my TV then continue on my phone or computer or tablet from anywhere, stream to my Chromecast or Roku without having to go through Plex or something, watch the shows without having to have a VPN and find a good torrent.
At the end of the day, though, Netflix will probably be like $30/month maybe with ads and they'll be an improvement over cable in pretty much every way (availability to watch on any device, anywhere; price; quality of content; possibly without outside ads) and people will still feel they're owed more. I'm not one to sympathize with major corporations generally, but people are punishing one of the only companies out there doing things the right way because they're trying to get you more engaged by advertising their other shows.
The problem is that Netflix kind of proves that a service without ads or without higher prices is unsustainable. They are losing billions of dollars every year and taking on more and more debt despite having over 100 million subscribers.
Netflix is turning a profit now. They had ~559,000,000 net income for 2017.
dfassna1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's net income but they have a negative cash flow. I'm not an expert so anyone who has studied this type of thing feel free to correct me, but net income statements don't look at the debts that the company has taken on, only the payments they've made towards old debts. So even though their net income was $559 million, their free cash flow was -$2 billion for 2017. Netflix isn't spending to increase their profits right now, they're spending to increase their market share so that eventually they can raise prices and maybe introduce ads and they're counting on the idea that they will have made themselves indispensable so they won't lose a bunch of customers by doing so.
You're mostly right about that, but it's also because of how much they've paid to acquire new streaming assets, which get amortized (ie more cash is paid out than what is expensed on the income statement). Taking on debt actually increases their current cash flow.
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But in favor of what? Having nothing?
The grand majority of the shit I watch on netflix I'd have never have torrented or whatever because I'd have never known about it. Neat little one-off series, Hong-Kong action flicks, Australian crime dramas...
People are complaining about Netflix right now today specifically and only because it doesn't fit the perfect dream mold of what they want with TV. Are people seriously and truly going to take a stand based on a TV show that finished it's run years ago? Netflix got it's economic pop from Futurama, and then let it go.
And then, and here's my point, they spent that money acquiring content that retains viewers. Futurama grabs, 50 new shows and movies per week, that you will enjoy but never have otherwise heard of, will retain.
Speak for yourself. Outside of a few specific series, there's nothing on Netflix that "retains" me personally. I can live without those because they make up a fraction of my viewing time.
In favor of what? Well Prime for one. I'm going to pay for Prime regardless, so the streaming part of it is essentially free to me. For that I might forgive an ad here or there.
Netflix gained dominance by not having commercials ever, it's a huge selling point. If that changes then I might as well just use Hulu. All the shows I got Netflix for have moved there anyway. Seriously, Netflix's original content, while enormous in quantity, is very very spotty in quality imo, and it's not going to keep me subscribing if I have to also watch ads.
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can live without it, then cancel your service, torrent those few series and forget the whole thing.
Prime is the worst of the bunch. Pay a monthly subscription, then pay again a Blockbuster/Redbox rate to "rent" something. So called "Buy it" is nothing more than further renting as they can strip your "ownership" at anytime. Netflix is trouncing the shit out of Amazon and Hulu without charging premiums like Amazon or showing actual REAL advertising for fucking Progressive and fucking Walmart.
2ndly . . . HBO/Cinemax have been showing unskippable internal ads for 40 years. They've not had "sponsorships" or anything else. Netflix has taken the cue from them, and it's skippable, and it's limited in scope, and people are losing their minds because
People like their mint ice cream at exactly 34 degrees with 7 chocolate flecks no bigger than 8mm square per spoonful. And if it's not exactly and specifically the way they like it, here comes tantrum time.
No, ads are not inevitable. There is just fuckers out there that "needs" the latest model of private jets. These fucking movies and tv-series are making BILLIONS and every goddamned actor in the biggest series are making a lifetime of regular joe money per episode. these ads are whats making that possible. They dont "scrape by". they dont live on the street if one movie isnt good enough. They fucking cry because it made less than the last one. People have been able to steal shit on the internet for 25 years now. You see the industry falling apart? Its just fucking greed
dfassna1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the market. Netflix doesn't make enough money from subscribers to create the amount of content they make right now. They're losing billions every year. The reason they're able to make quality content is because they're willing to pay for it. If they didn't pay good money to creators/writers/actors to do shows for them then the shows would end up on AMC or TBS or some other cable network and you'd have no reason to watch Netflix and they wouldn't have revolutionized entertainment the way they have. Eventually Netflix will cost a lot more and they're spending the money to make sure that's the case, but they can't start paying actors and writers $60k a year because that's not how the industry works. If they don't shell out that money, a company that provides a worse experience will.
I'm with you. I use my parents HBO GO subscription, and HBO already does the same thing. As long as it isn't too invasive, I don't really care. Also, there is a huge difference between marketing your own shows and selling advertising time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Biggie39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you want me to go to a YouTube channel to watch trailers for Netflix shows?
Yeah I dont get why so many people are mad. Just use that time to get a drink or go the the bathroom.
Emochind ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because you are paying to not see ads?
Biggie39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you propose that Netflix informs you that they just made a cool new show? Without advertising their own content it will get buried very quickly.
Because eventually you'll be able to use that time to take a huge dump, run a few errands, and get wildly drunk before the commercials stop. "It's not that big a deal" is a short road to them testing your limits on what is a big deal.
chaRxoxo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they do this, i'm immediatly unsubbing. The streaming landscape has become fragmented anyhow with everyone creating their own service.
It's typical to see how a good concept slowly turns to shit. Piracy is a service problem and nowadays i find myself downloading so much again, whereas i completely stopped in the past.
Nobody is gonna watch commercials on a paid stream and npbody is going to subscribe to 5 different streaming services.
Whammy-p ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else think it's funny that a media organization hamstrung by streaming services is attempting to stoke hate and discontent with streaming services? This is like your radio station telling you why CD's and podcasts are bad.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:47:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost every single service you pay for has ads in it. Netflix is actually one of the very few outliers that doesn't have third-party ads. You even have ads on X-Box Live.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and it shouldn't be that way. That's why I refuse to pay for those services
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to Hulu or better yet some of the people in this thread leaving Netflix for Hulu.
If Netflix shows ads I will immediately cancel. The only reason I use them instead of others is because they are ad free.
Netflix, if you are listening, don't get greedy. Your brand is built on the promise of no ads. If you violate that, we will make sure to leave you with nothing to punish you for the betrayal.
I respectfully disagree. I think people enjoy getting all riled up to prove how anti-corporate they are. Personally, thereโs so much to choose from on Netflix, have recommendations seems good to me. Full disclosure, I own Netflix stock so I feel a little defensive of the company, but theyโve always seemed to focus on the best customer experience.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every show you hover over already automatically plays an advertisement for itself. Do we really need even more when we've already chosen to watch a show?
Thatโs not bad though. A preview of the show is nice
finnknit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:44:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A preview of the show is nice when you're browsing for something to watch. A preview of a different show is annoying when you're already watching something.
I disagree. Netflix's auto-preview essentially makes it impossible for me to browse for content. I don't want a video to start blaring every time I stop for a tenth of a second to read a show description. So I just move along quickly and don't watch any shows I'm not already familiar with. If I want a new show, I do research outside of Netflix.
I have an outdated Netflix app on an old device I use occasionally, and it's so much easier to use.
Not to break with the hivemind, but I don't mind the ads on netflix.
They only show other tv shows and movies, and sometimes I click on them and check them out.
The real annoying ads are like youtube or hulu, where they show some drug, car, insurance, or other bullshit I have 0 interest in.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:55:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you here. They're honestly not a big deal. Instead of having a little box showing a suggested show/movie in between episodes, it's now just 3/4 of the screen showing a suggestion, giving you the option to watch the trailer if you want. Or you can skip it altogether, just like it was before. And from what I've seen so far they don't do it between episodes of Netflix originals, which still have the quick 5 second transitions.
You can only do that until the feature is rolled out for everyone, the only thing you're opting out of is their testing phase which you might not even be part of. It even says "test participation" when you go to opt out
You can't opt out of the ads. You can opt out of all testing which happens to include ads at the moment, but once they roll it out for real there's nothing to indicate that you'll be able to opt out.
Saying you can opt out as a positive side of the issue implies there will be some permanent way to opt out of ads, not a very temporary unrelated workaround that will stop working the moment they move the program from testing.
mowelset ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cancelled in an effort to not waste as much time watching TV. I recently moved to a place that can't get wifi or anything other than basic cable, so that helps. I do have unlimited data but binge watching shows on a phone isn't as pleasing as watching on a TV. When I get the itch to watch something, I throw on youtube for a little while or listen to podcasts.
I dated a girl that had Hulu and I thought it was much better than Netflix, but only if you're willing to pay the extra few dollars for no commercials which I think is around $12/month.
I feel the next golden age of piracy coming on what with all these companies making it more and more inconvenient to watch what you want, when you want, how you want it.
Chrisixx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, didn't know Rudy Giuliani also works for Netflix.
To any Netflix rep reading this: fuck off with your attempted redefinitions. And fuck off with ads. If this ever applies to my account I'll unsubscribe and can guarantee at least 4 friends of mine will as well.
Sinsid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they are truly commercials Netflix will have to share viewership information. Which up until now has been their version of the nuclear launch codes.
I wont disable tests. The absolute moment I see an ad, I am going to cancel my Netflix subscription. I have been on the fence for a while and this is the straw I've been waiting for.
Seriously I called in to complain, and they freaking told me to my face they weren't then they tried to tell me my computer and TV??? HAD gotten infiltrated by pop up ad-Ware and or viruses.... Because them playing from the Netflix player means nothing??!
198587 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate these fucking 'commercials.' They make binge watching a show awful.
dljens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this and said to my wife "I don't appreciate Netflix showing ads between episodes now..."
Strangely, though, I did not think of it as a commercial. Perhaps because it is 100% skippable (for me at least) with a single button click.
If it's true that some people were unable to skip them though, that's fucky.
Showing ads for shows that are on netflix doesn't bother me. That's why I don't mind Syfy ads and certain stations "apps" ads, they are typically just ads for shows already on the station/app.
For me what I hate is the 5 repeating ads, all with some mixed raced lady or stay at home dad, all about diapers or washing clothes, cause clearly the only people who watch tv are losers who are at home with no job >.> I actually hate commercials for products, not tv shows. You guys are just picky. If you don't advertise a show, people don't watch it, straight up. Some of us will, but we'll wonder why no one else did, and it got cancelled, the reason would be lack of advertisement.
Advertisement can be a trailer, a 30s spot on something else, or just word of mouth. But if a show doesn't get any of these, its dead in the water. This is why cool shows get cancelled all the time, and we're still on like the 7th season of shit shows.
Danjcb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix beat piracy because they made it easier and more pleasant to watch TV shows.
If they go down this road, people will just switch to ad-free torrenting again...
To be honest, itโs a fine line between a recommendation and an advertisement. I cannot think of a single paid service where they donโt recommend other products. Itโs not like Netflix was showing us ads for mesothelioma lawyers or something.
Same old, same old. Once they have the market share, they start abusing their position.
Save for massive consumer boycotts (which become harder and less likely the closer the company gets to a monopoly), this can only be prevented by antitrust law with teeth, and by strong regulators willing to ruffle feathers and harshly penalise or break up corporations who are abusing their position.
It happened with cable, it happened with satellite radio, it'll happen with streaming, it'll happen with hologoggles, it'll happen with nueral implants, it'll happen when your consciousness becomes part of a three-dimensional quantum matrix.
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get the to bring back Kinect support while weโre at it? The original Netflix app on Xbox One was beautiful. Hand motions and voice controls were great. But I guess Netflix doesnโt care what we say.
IT-Quest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dunn dunnn dunnnnnnn.
SageVG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending this, just curious as to why people aren't freaking out over HBO? I have HBO Now and it always plays ads for HBO content before the show starts.
Because no one gives a flying fuck about HBO, look at the data of how many subscribers Netflix has compared to HBO. Then you'll see why people are angry and for good reason.
SageVG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it probably has to do with HBO was on TV first and people are use to how they do things. They went into Netflix with a different idea. But saying no one cares about HBO is wrong.
Their stupid plan is gonna fail, so what they will do is have a plan where you pay more to avoid commercials. This is probably by design to see how we react and they know we may be willing to pay more. Do the collective a favor, if they implement, then we unsubscribe.
Meocross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DING DING DING DING DING!
They did this same shit with gaming consoles, if they want to spread this sickening practice here then we unsubscribe.
As long as they limit the volume of the ads and limit them to shows that were filmed with the intent of having ads, I'm okay with it as long as that additional revenue is used to increase the quantity/quality of their content. Ie additional Disney/Pixar/Marvel stuff.
Unikatze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This has been going on for more than just the weekend. Probably for a month now, when i open the netflix app on my tv, it forces me to watch a trailer for crappy shows before it will let me do anything.
Oh...my...God. I always say nothing fucks up a vibe/moment faster than a YouTube ad...
"Omg, omg, I know you're super busy but you have to check out this video!!! It's amazing!!!"
I'm Jimmy Dean. You need something warm to get you going in the morning. Nothing does that better than Jimmy Dean sausage.
Motherfucker....
But yeah, Netflix commercials might not be that drastic but they have a chance of being much more devastating. You watch Netflix to zone out and take yourself out of the world. Commercials fuck up the whole mission.
I wish there was a service that was like $30/month but had EVERYTHING. Instead they are all making their own crappy streaming service for a tiny ass collection of tv shows/movies and are starting to show commercials. It's like the content creators are the new cable TV providers and doing the same shitty practices. Going to pirate until a provider has 90% of the content available.
They are showing previews for their own shows. To call these โadsโ is misleading. Theyโre not making any money off them so thatโs not a motivation (yet).
Gotta admit: I love the content on Netflix.
But if they start with this commercial shit I'll fucking unsubscribe from this service. I'm not paying 15 bucks a month for fucking commercials.
I pay it to not see commercials and to binge watch my favourite shows ffs! Get yo shit together Netflix!
You already have enough money coming from the paying users and productplacements
But they aren't showing advertisements for products you can buy, are they? They are just pointing out other media on the platform you're already paying to use, which is then accessible to you at no cost. The unskippable part is may be annoying I get that, but I don't see the whole uproar here to be honest
They're not selling you anything, just promoting other Netflix shows. They aren't making money off of you choosing to watch them. So it isn't disingenuous for them to deny calling them commercials.
How do you mean other shows pay for them? Netflix either make their own, or pay for content from other providers. Either way it costs Netflix to put them on.
Its in Netflix's interest to make you watch more shows. Plus the 'adverts', which frankly are really trailers, will most likely be tailored to your viewing.
Theyโre mini trailers for their own shows, they literally play them in the 20 seconds in between episodes. And yes you CAN skip them.
This is a tad bit of an overreaction imo. Do you guys really want Netflix to fail for getting you to try to watch some of their other stuff? Are yโall bitter enough to give life back to even worse streaming sites that play 3-5 commercials an episode, or even worse, CABLE that airs 20+ commercials in a single commercial break?
Netflix really has spoiled everybody huh. Does anyone even remember how bad we had it before Netflix?
Edit: some words
qoaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't bad before Netflix... In the early 90s I downloaded off newsgroups and ftp sites passed around on irc, then p2p and newsgroups, the torrent and newsgroups, then I got Netflix and only pirated what Netflix didn't have, and now I am back to torrent and newsgroups... Only loser is Netflix lol
How is it intrusive if you can skip it? Before they had a dead 20 seconds on screen waiting for the next episode to play, now itโs just a blurb from one of their shows that you can skip. It would be intrusive if you couldnโt skip it.
So Iโve actually gotten these commercials and as long as they stay as is I wouldnโt be worried, instead of 15 seconds of credits itโs 15 seconds of essentially a silent poster for another tv show you might like based on your watching history. And if you want to you can still click and play the next episode directly. If it gets worse, multiple unskippable ads, or ads in the middle of the show, thenyeah id call it itโs the reason I donโt use Hulu.
I'm a part of a pretty decent invite-only torrent site that hasn't given me issues in years but I like Netflix because it's obviously just a bit easier to log on and click on a series.
I don't want to do it Netflix, but you've left me no choice...Yo ho, motherfucker.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Day has come..
drew8080 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix has lost my business, and I was a customer back when getting DVDs was a big deal.
First they hiked the price up when they added streaming, and only grandfathered in old customers for a couple months at the old rate.
Again, when they started limiting screens to an account, they raised the price. Now you have to pay more than the starting rate just to get HD!? We are moving into 4K, HD should be the starting quality, not something you pay extra for.
Their original content has trickled down slowly so that the few Netflix series I like either have years between seasons, or get run as one-off seasons and never picked up for more. Their catalogue of other movies and TV shows is pitiful; I've rewatched everything I want to, and rarely does anything "New" come out that is actually interesting, or is something I haven't seen elsewhere already.
I mean come on, you're still making customers wait a year on current TV shows before you put the last season up.
And side note; can we off stand-up specials to decent comedians instead of everyone wgo has ever told a joke on camera? It's great 20 new specials come out, but when old Bill Burr specials are still the best comedy you have to offer (I fucking love you Bill!), you need to cut quantity and improve quality.
Tl;dr Netflix I have tried 3 times in the past 2 years to come back, and I never make it past my one month before cancelling.
Unless they re-haul their programming or prices, I have no intention of ever signing up for them again. I can easily use someone else's account if a hit show comes along, and my friends hold viewing parties so we can all binge showd together. No point in handing Netflix $150 a year on things I can watch a million other ways.
Your content is stale, dropping in quality, and you are now working like IP's do, increasing prices exhorbanantly when you don't need to.
PFunk224 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is another reason to cancel Netflix- this latest move is just yet another in their trend of reducing content and features while increasing rates. "Oh, this isn't as bad as people are making it out to be" is just a way to excuse death by a thousand cuts.
They have so much filler content of shows they could cut, movies few people really want to watch, it's forced me back onto torrents and the like because I can just download in tje background and queue a bunch up at once.
I am in the market for a new TV just so I can broadcast my computer wirelessly on it, and I want a definition upgrade too. But I am doing that to essentially have my downloads easy to play from my P.C. because at least then I know I have (or can have) the content I want.
Netflix is not worth the hassle, and they joined along with every other streaming service to collectively hike monthly rates up. Netflix was $5 a month for me, now it's twice that for the same service, with less content I want to watch, and the most annoying "features". Ads on a paid service, and that stupid autoplay once you scroll across a title is maddening!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
itt people claiming lack of ads is the only reason they use netflix
conveniently forgetting that they were unable to stream shows on demand before this
no, but that's what people were doing before affordable streaming was released because they were fed up of traditional television and didn't want to pay for premium channels to watch movies
people complaining about them showing 'commercials' of their own shows. Give me a break people. I mean, if this is the most infuriating aspect of your day then god help you. It's not like P&G is advertising tampons to you babies. Maybe they should.
Am I the only one who doesn't care? Thousands of movies and tv shows one click away, and people are threatening to boycott it because they occasionally have to wait 30 seconds while a man gushes away about how damn awesome coke is.
What these companies need to realize is that we will all go back to pirating the second it becomes more convenient than paying again. There was a bit there where we were all willing to pay because it's actually the best option but I have a feeling those days are coming to an end.
iTunes went from a blank piece of paper to more than eight billion in revenue in a couple years. Had piracy even been a minimal factor, this couldn't have happened.
Piracy is a non-issue and always has been a non-issue.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You replied with an example of the exact reason he stated they stopped pirating. Convenience
Netflix/iTunes offered an easy affordable way to get what you want. Not to mention both reinvented the wheel when it came to consuming content.
It's like saying Amazon only exists because nobody bought stuff at the local brick and mortar.
nthn713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are not technically commercials but in network premonitions. Sirius radio does the same thing. They regularly promote other channels. Still feel just like a commercial to me.
I don't like the commercials but I'm still shocked that Netflix is only $11 a month. I used to pay over 10 times that much and had to spend 1/3 of the time watching commercials.
So begins the downfall of Netflix, and the rise of Disney.
SKozan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they had a wizard or some sort of recommendation option that a person would choose, but to autoplay anything between episodes is unacceptable.
PlanBJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to watch a 30 second ad, just to watch a clip that has absolutely nothing to do with the article. Iโm just gonna go ahead and kill myself now.
I remember when Hulu started with only one short ad at the front of their videos.
DevonMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
NetFlix Pro is coming.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"You're listen to CRAP on Sirius XM Radio... Commercial free radio. Now on Sirius XM channel xx is the show you never want to miss! Tune to the other station now!"
Torrents are like that old sword the hero keeps coming back to. Every now and then I get lured away, but when the going gets tough, they've got your back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that they're making billions and everyone is literally profiting just goes to show how important margins are for these corporate giants. We're already paying to not see ads, you're already increasing the monthly charge what seems to be almost yearly, now you want more cash flow from advertisers willing to pay you the big stuff so we can have cable TV all over again? Not cool.
Next, they'll add a "premium" option so you don't see ads. You heard it here first ladies and gentlemen.
Edit: an idea
a_goonie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can skip it then it a whatever issue that might actually help you find something you may like.
This is effectively what HBO does, it's a promo for their other products.
If they start advertising for products or services in no way associated with Netflix's products (toilet paper, iPads, Coke, etc) then it'll be legitimate commercials.
rodgie05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care at all. I use a free family Netflix. I hardly watch netflix anymore though. Most of the new shows are are targeted toward women, teens, and LGBT. The only show that was somewhat interesting was altered carbon, and that show was trash.
dialleft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They always had a short countdown between episodes, always with the highlighted option to hit Enter to skip immediately. Now the wait is 30 seconds while they play a trailer and the same Enter option is highlighted to skip - no change. They still have the nice skip intro option. This whole post feels like a competitor placement.
asdf785 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Netflix doesn't have a vested interest in getting you to watch Netflix, only to keep you paying for Netflix. They're testing this style of recommendation, likely because they realize that people keep paying for Netflix because they are recommended content they like via the other methods, so they try this one.
People pay for Netflix to be ad free, but do you guys consider the "recommended for you" category an ad? Do you complain about that?
It's a test and, if it's deemed to improve user experience, it will remain. Based on the backlash, however, I expect it will quietly go away.
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it interrupts the current show I'm watching with a "trailer" of a different show yes it's an ad and obnoxious.
asdf785 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:50:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't. It plays between episodes.
No different than before when the credits were minimized and a recommendation pops up, except now it's a video.
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's your opinion.
asdf785 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is?
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No different than before when the credits
asdf785 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:32:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see how that's an opinion. Now it's just a video instead of a still ad. Either I'm wrong or I'm right, either way, it's not an opinion...
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's an opinion. A static skippable image doesn't have the same effect as a Video with Audio.
asdf785 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But I said the difference was that it was a video? I never gave an opinion on whether or not I liked the video aspect of it.
Also, keep in mind this is in the context of whether or not this is more of an ad than a still image. Not if it's more obnoxious.
I'm fully prepared to be downvoted for this, but is it really that big of a deal for them to show 'commercials' for their own content, before a show? I mean, HBO literally does the same thing on both HBO and HBOGo/Now, except you have to fast forward through them (not press "skip") and I don't see anyone complaining about that? What about Amazon's Prime Video service which does the exact same thing Netflix is trying, and has for months?
It'd be one thing if they were interrupting a show partway through, or they were unskippable, but they don't, and they aren't. Do you also get bent out of shape over trailers at the movies, or at home on the DVDs/Blurays you bought? Cough.
Technically, a "commercial" is advertising paid for by a client. They directly bring in $$$ to a platform. "Promos" are a platform's self-advertising.
ravia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some non testers may experience reduce streaming speeds.
JK....I hope..
funkopat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In spite of my fear of sounding like a shill, I honestly have no problem with them promoting their content to me. I've always felt that they didn't have a good way of making you aware of their new originals. They just kind of appear and they don't market them all very well aside from the big ones i.e. Bright, Stranger Things, OiTNB, House of Cards (RIP) that you already know exist. Other stuff just gets added. I had no idea what Santa Clarita Diet was and happened across it and gave it a shot and it was completely nothing like what I thought it was. I'm not going to happen by everything they need to give some exposure to what's being added.
Let's compromise, Netflix. You play ads for your own content but stop autoplaying poorly done "trailers" when I go over a thumbnail.
They aren't even trailers anymore. They're random clips with OST from the show/movie, if we're lucky, otherwise it's stock music. I'm pretty sure it's all randomly generated by a computer. Pls stop
YARRR!!! If only there be a solution to seein' unwanted adverts. These filthy landlubbers are pollutin' our screen space. I'd give both of me peg legs if one of ye hearties could think of a way to watch yer shows without seeing those bloody commercials. YARRR! AND MAKE IT FREE TO BOOT, YE FILTHY FREEBOOTERS!
rodgie05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Regular commercials are not an issues, I can easily tune them out. In show or movie commercials are more difficult to notice or tune out, therefore more effective.
I've defended Netflix up until now, despite numerous shows being taken off. But this is where I draw the line, if there's commercials I'm done, I'll just pirate. Shit even if they raised the price of my sub I wouldn't Care too much, its still a great deal. But commercials are a deal breaker
How come HBO has done this forever and also claims to have "no advertising" but gets a pass? I never hear the internet get pissed about HBO advertising their own shows at the beginning of every program.
I'm neutral towards this issue. I don't see it being a big deal either way. I'm just curious why HBO gets silence but Netflix gets a massive uproar from the internet over the exact same policy.
A good advert should be welcomed by the recipient. Its only the irrelevant ones you get pissed about. And you pay for Netflix, and Netflix make shoes you clearly like, so IF IT'S DONE WELL this should be seen as a good thing.
ivnwng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally every show people are bitching about are now on hulu in full. Hulu is owned by Disney/Fox and a couple other big media names so no shit they wont keep their stuff on a competitor service (in the U.S. where were we have both hulu and netflix).
Ad free hulu has ads on 6 shows out of thousands of show. The shows are New Girl, How to get Away With Murder, Agents of Shield, Scandal, Greys Anatomy and Once Upon a Time. That's it and it has to do with a preexisting deal with ABC so let's not pretend they are the embodiment of evil personified
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does Netflix want to become like Blockbuster? Cuz this is how you become like Blockbuster....
mzoltek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We watch a lot of netflix shows, mostly random stuff, so I actually don't mind the ads because I never know what the hell is on there
Netflix is going ass backwards, even Youtube stops showing ads when you pay for a suscription.
I would understand and actually opt in if they told us that they are trying to get more revenue to make big budget content or simply just more content.
It would be sort of like not using adblock or not skipping ads for your favorite Youtubers, entirely optional.
LOUD-AF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just add a trailer channel as in a channel that plays trailers for content the user might be interested in. Oh and make it so like it wont suggest the same movie twice in a certain period of time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying Netflix commercials are coming for years. Why? Because they are constantly focus-grouping commercials and have been for at least five years that I know of.
As soon as the expected number of dropped subscriptions costs less than the profit commercials will bring, we're getting commercials. It has always been an inevitability.
Just leave Netflix. If they make ANY money off this, theyโre not gonna stop. Why pay any money if youโre not getting it ad-free? After all theyโre not the only place to watch shows, pick someone who treats you like a person.
PFunk224 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The really embarrassing thing is that the majority of the users on the Netflix subreddit are defending it by using the same broken logic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt understand the uproar. At least theyโre not pushing products on us just advertising shows we may want to binge. Fine by me.
RoRo25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they are handling this bad. But what they are doing now honestly doesn't bother me at all. The spots don't interrupt anything I'm watching. They play during the 15 second countdown and can be skipped at anytime. As long as they stay like this I totally welcome it. When they start playing these during shows and movies, that's when I will unsubscribe.
Yeah if this happens I'll cancel. Literally the only reason I went to this service was to watch WHAT I want to watch when I want to watch it. I'd rather go back to piracy than pay to watch ads.
Minitell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew netflix was too good to last, ah well. Back to torrents.
This is what I've been saying all along, the only way to watch anything is to pirate it. Even when you pay for shit they're gonna spam ads in your face that's what tv did for 70 years
Once upon a time, TV was free and available to everyone through the air. All you had to do was ignore commercials.
Then, a new invention where If you paid for TV you didn't have commercials.
Now we pay to see commercials. Or pay to dvr through them. That's progress.
pappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finally someone gets it. CNN was telling us to 'relax,' Reddit over-reacted, Netflix isn't toying with commercials. Yes, they're toying with commercials, the same way CNN plays commercials on CNN's Internet stream promoting its own programs.
"When Netflix gives you commercials, don't just tolerate them. Make Netflix take the commercials back! Get mad! I don't want your damn commercials, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see Netflix's manager! Make Netflix rue the day it thought it could give you commercials! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your housedown! With the commercials! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible commercial stunt that burns your housedown!"
I really wish we all had the guts to just stop consuming streamable media altogether. Go back to DVDs and books and that's about it. I can't really advocate for that, though, since football season is rapidly approaching and I basically live for college football.
I have no problem not watching TV, but I know for some people TV shows are what college football is to me.
vicewave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative ads
Cebaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So many people getting worked up over Netflix advertising their own shows after the one you watch is over. Can skip it no problem just like skipping intros. Nothing interrupting you while you watch.
Brugor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess this is only a NA thing (for now). When this comes to Scandinavia I will cancel my subscription and sign on for one of Netflixโs competitors instead. Sad, was looking forward to that Witcher-show. But Iโm not paying for commercials - thatโs why I dropped normal television.
Prime157 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen one yet. Is it just that annoying trailer for their original content that auto plays, or is it like, "here's Pepsi?"
Ugh.. at most that article reminds me of how shitty articles are written these days. Just shit slinging trash all day
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Children gather round. I cancelled my Netflix when they wanted to charge more for streaming. At a time when I was getting 2 dvds sent to my house. I still don't have them. Over time they will become the corporate entity that many despise. Turning into a cable like company.
Why dont they offer a free version of Netflix with ads. People who dont want to pay with their pocket can be subjected to ads, get them on the site and make Netflix the money they feel they need more of. Then, leave people that pay subscriptions alone with this shit.
I'll cancel my damn subscription in a heartbeat. I didn't start paying cable for a reason.
The best way to make me not want to buy a product is when that product interrupts my otherwise uneventful streaming service. That fucker is going straight to my shit list
This is what they get for bailing on NN; they're just passing the new costs of doing business down to the consumer level without giving anything new and expect that we have no choice? Wrong!...best way to send them a message is mass cancellation of subscriptions.
Netflix please if you are listening we pay a fee per month for your service not so you can start selling me ads. The moment this occurs on my screen I will cancel my sub and ask for a refund for the entire month as I have been lied to at that point. Here's to hoping the best entertainment service doesnt start alienating its paying customers just to air some shitty ad to make some idiot at corporate (and likely doesnt use the service) happy until the next quarter shows you lost active subs to ads. Dont do it I'm warning you.
I'm so done with obnoxious companies over advertising. Pretty shitty when you can't get away from commercials even by paying to avoid them! Insurance companies are the worst. So are big pharma and ambulance chasers.
This "don't click the ad" idea is a really, really bad one. They don't care if you click it they just want to be able to say there was eyes on it. If more people opt in then you're supporting these ads whether you click them or not.
Trainxrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's not about the ads right now. I'm not a fan and I can honestly admit that they're not too bothersome....yet. The reason people are mostly upset isn't because of the ads in their current form. It's what they're most likely to devolve into. The problem with advertising is that once a company gets a taste of an easy revenue stream just by showing a few ads, it's hard not to start tacking on more. Yes right now Netflix is advertising it's own stuff so it doesn't count. But one day someone is going to offer them something they can't refuse. They'll then start advertising other things/shows. After a few years of slowly letting more ads appear or letting them get more invasive you end up like cable has. Where the goal of the medium isn't to give you content to watch, it's to push advertisements. The shows are just treated as down time between the ads. Will Netflix get this bad? I don't know and in reality it probably won't be that bad. But the point is their current business decision can very well lead them down that path, and it's not something most consumers want. So it's better to cry out and be outraged now to stop the behavior before it becomes generally accepted.
There are a lot of slopes we have to slide down before that becomes a reality.
The real problem is that people are so entitled these days and so oblivious to the costs of the products they consume that they think it's an affront to their senses to pay $10-15/month and have to spend 30 seconds looking at an ad for a Netflix show.
There are a lot of slopes we have to slide down before that becomes a reality.
The real problem is that people are so entitled these days and so oblivious to the costs of the products they consume that they think it's an affront to their senses to pay $10-15/month and have to spend 30 seconds looking at an ad for a Netflix show.
andlg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone saying that they will right away cancel their subscription once commercials go live, so whats the alternative? Cable? Hulu? Amazon prime? Satellite? Or are you just boycott tv shows all together
So, Netflix will no matter what get $15 a month from all of it's customers. They do not get any additional money if the customers watch more content. What the fuck is the point of advertising the shit people are already paying for when you've already made all the money you can from that consumer?
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't mind ads. The ones I don't care about, I see once then tune out when they appear again. As long as they don't appear frequently (watching some Hulu content where there's an ad block 3 times in a 40 minute span is very annoying) I am squarely in the block of people who will continue to pay for it.
That said, good luck all you anti-advertisement folks. I'm keeping my Netflix subscription ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Unpopular opinion, but I personally donโt give a shit. I care about content. If the content is good, Iโll deal with a preview or 2.
The problem with Netflix is their content has been drying up in a bad way. Outside of their original series, thereโs not a whole lot of meat left on the bone and it sounds like itโs going to continually get worse as more and more keep pulling off of the network.
Iโve already switched to Hulu as my primary platform and got the ad free version. Seinfeld, iasip, Brooklyn 99, etc... just a lot of fresh quality content you cant get on Netflix anymore. I will probably keep it around until after the next season of stranger things and then cancel.
IMissBO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix could double their price and do these trailers for their content and I still wouldnโt leave. Pirating is inconvenient as shit unless you are on someone elseโs Plex server who gets a boner off of stealing content and updating their server. Even then it wonโt be the same quality as Netflix. I pay $15 a month to get 4K content on any device I want. ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
Found another corporate shill!!!!! This game is so much fun!!
IMissBO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol I just like Netflix ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
pubies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The nice thing about cutting the cord is that we don't have to eat shit from one or two corporations anymore. Netflix is replaceable, and if they turn on the consumers we can just as easily turn on them.
Well, people will click on them and watch those shows and the algorithm will rightfully say that it does work because people love commercials and being told what to buy and watch. As Carlin said, imagine the average person who watches Netflix and remember that 50 percent are dumber.
Netflix would do this for a few reasons. All reasons motivated by money. I believe that there is something more concerning for Netflix and the association with rating systems and legalities. If the rating systems were hurting views on specific shows/movies and the owners of that content claim that the rating system put into place is at fault then Netflix is potentially liable for damages and lost revenue in royalties. I don't believe this move is as malevolent as some make it out to be because given the timing of removal of rating systems and introduction of commercials, what we learned from House is that there is one common symptom.
So does Amazon, and neither offer things that are in cinemas, so besides the few times a year they have new releases, what is the point in them? Well compared to piracy (the only other way to get VOD without being nickel and dimed by studio's) they are pretty cheap.
Yeah well you know how it is these days....Truthโs not the truth, and all that. Commercials are not the commercials. Itโs all the same thing really.
Honestly don't see what all the over reaction is to this if you can just click skip.
I already find it annoying when they ask if I'm still binge watching but it's a button click away. I for one know I'm terrible at choosing things to watch.
They must have the numbers to say that very little of what they have on is actually watched because people will usually pick what they know.
They can't reasonably get rid of content because, you know, people will complain that there's hardly any shows to skip and avoid now and it's much easier to find the office so they can watch it for the 50th time.
I don't even use Netflix. I just like reading all the shill PR comments supporting them adding commercials to their platform that they marketed as ad free.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These commercials are fake news, they are not commercials! This accusation that they are commercials are a WITCH HUNT! And most stop IMMEDIATELY! Make Netfix Profitable Again!
This is the way of the world people. Get used to it. Also, HBO and other premium channels has been doing self promo shit for years. You wanna binge watch a show on HBO? You're gonna be having commercials just like these between every episode you load anyways. Companies are gonna try and do everything to keep you hooked and spending money. Did you all think somehow Netflix is benevolent because they are cheap? Let me tell you something. The second a large enough chunk cuts cable and starts switching over to these streaming services guess what's suddenly gonna cost just as much as cable is now? Everyone wants something for nothing when it's just not gonna happen.
books have been ad free since forever, and they still around, so you dont have to do this netflix
smh
noobplus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is well on its way to becoming the c word... The first one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really dont understand the outrage here. It sounds like they're quick recommendations after an episode. Like I usually get up to get a drink or go to the bathroom and such after an episode anyway.
If they were splitting episodes up with them like cable or how hulu used to work that's one thing but I mean is it really that annoying between a FULL EPISODE?
Like shit I'm done after 2 episodes normally anyway.
Yall either got nothing to do and watch too much Netflix or are just looking to get angry over something. Either way just Netflix and chill the fuck out
Avarix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they are between full episodes, and you can opt out; I donโt see the issue. They are adds pointing you towards other content on Netflix that is similar to what you are watching. Netflix has shown in the past to be a decent pro customer company.
I donโt mind an ad in-between shows for their own original content, which this is. HBO does it. If they start advertising for 3rd parties then itโd be rightful to freak out.
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love it when idiots bungle their business and force everyone back to torrenting.
I think it's kind of ironic I had to spend the first two minutes readjusting the screen to find my place because ads were loading and pushing the text up and down constantly.
I'll just go back to torrenting if I can't find a way to pay for my content. It's hard enough getting most stuff up here in Canada without paying an arm and a leg. Netflix was and hopefully will continue to be part of that answer
If this is something that can provide another revenue stream consider it a done deal...testing is just to make sure the program functions properly before rolling it out to all.
I saw one of these commercials, it was for a Netflix show and totally skippable. Itโs just something they show between episodes if you havenโt already clicked skip. As long as theyโre skippable I donโt see whatโs wrong with recommending another show in time that isnโt being used for anything else anyway.
I'm not trying to defend what Netflix may or may not be doing, but did anyone read the article? It's pretty short and most of it is just second-handedly reciting stories from a reddit thread last weekend. It also goes on to quote Netflix without quotation marks so I'm not sure what it is that Netflix actually said.
MiDusa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why dont they make netflix free and include ads with that
TaydenB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opting out does nothing, not interacting does nothing. The only thing that would have an impact is people actually canceling their service. If the feature is being live tested its here to stay, they just want to be able to say its only a test to calm people down.
Kulladar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear there's a vicious cycle of every corporation that has a good idea now-days.
You have a good idea and build a successful company then you hit a milestone. You get big enough that you can hire a group of employees that's entire job is to just sit around and try to figure out ways to save money and increase profits every year. If you've ever worked for a large corporation you know these people because you fucking hate them because they cause shit loads of problems with their nickle and dime bullshit.
They start cutting anywhere they can to save some money and at first it's not noticeable but over time it ruins everything. Quality drops, other corporations and the good suppliers stop wanting to work with them, and prices go up slowly for customers and after a while people start realizing they're paying twice as much for a shit product because it used to be great.
Seriously. Take any company you liked the product of that became shit and I guarantee you could talk to employees of those companies and trace their downfall back to the type of people I just described.
Company declines, customers abandon it, a competitor arises that gives people what they want, rinse repeat.
The beauty is I can cancel and just download their shows. I'm not renewing amazon for this reason. Everytime you open it or start a show it plays one of their 3 commercials. The jack Ryan one...
Why are they doing this, are they suffering that badly financially?
I can't think of any other reason to do this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't commercials, and there's nothing commercial about them. No one is paying Netflix to run adverts for their own content, to people who already pay the subscription fees. Adverts they are, commercials they are not. They are both annoying (assuming they can't be skipped), but let's call a spade a fucking spade people.
Semantics? No one cares about who is paying for what, it's the interruption that people dislike. Advertising, commercial or otherwise, ruins anything and everything it touches.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK Bill Hicks, calm down. Yes, advertising is shitty, but a trailer and an advert, while sharing a format, are two different things. It's not like they are trying to sell me a product, because I already buy the product. And it's not like they are trying to sell me anti aging cream or dick pills that don't work, so they don't have that insidious, scummy nature that ads do.
And yes, I would (and likely will) find the interruption annoying, but I'm not such a bitch that I can't press the skip button. If they'll ever make them unskippable then maybe I'll change my mind, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Haven't they stopped with the commercials now? I swear I saw an article earlier about them stopping.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up with regular tv. We pay the for the cheapest plan of Netflix and Hulu and it's still significantly less expensive with astronomically fewer advertisements than television.
I get why it's frustrating, but I don't get why it's so rage enducing. It's like everybody is furious because it's only better than the alternative rather than perfect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Netflix got good i made an account instead of pirating its content, after this looks like am going back to it.
I remember when going to the movies the only ads you saw were the previews for other movies. But that was OK, because it puts you in a movie watching mood.
Then there were ads for Coke. But they serve Coke at the theater so that kinda makes sense. Like the Let's Go Out To The Lobby bit.
Then there was infotainment content before the previews, so that if you got there early you weren't just sitting in a silent theater for 30 minutes.
Then there were product placements in the movie itself, but that's OK because it's part of the film and you don't care if the car they're driving is a Ford or a Honda.
Then one day I thought, shit, they got me watching commercials just like on TV. They raised the temperature slow enough and now I'm frogs legs.
mearry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the biggest non-issue of all time
get over it
chili01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a way to stop netflix auto-play when I am browsing shows/movies to watch?
I could understand if they wanted to make a new free/cheaper tier that had ads. I don't know what they were expecting when they just started putting ads on the current platform.
I realize most people disagree but this doesn't bother me. If they have short ads for their own content (big distinction in my mind) between shows without interrupting the show (another big distinction for whether it bothers me) then I'm ok with it. If it turns into ads in the middle of shows or for non-netflix content I would be upset. I realize you can make a slippery slope argument that it wouldn't stop there, but that's the line for me.
rendeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: people that didnt read the article
Dis_Miss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about their content that is basically one big ad? That newish Kelsey Grammer/Kristen Bell movie โLike Fatherโ is just one long commercial for Royal Caribbean.
Theyโre not trying to sell you prescription medication or oxyclean. Theyโre promoting their original content. Itโs fine. Their promotions donโt make me think I am ugly and need make up or think I need to shop for a clearance deal at Macyโs. Get over it.
Was it recommendations though? Were they just advertising other content on the platforms and people didn't like having to press skip? Because TBH I'm a bit annoyed when things auto-play as I'm trying to scroll but it also does lead to finding interesting new shows. It's a minor inconvenience at worst.
Can I say I feel like everyone is overreacting? I mean, it isn't like it's going to be as bad as cable, you'll probably just get, what, a couple ads for other shows you might like between episodes. It isn't like Netflix is saying "Oh, hey, by the way, we're now going to be opening slots for advertisers in the middle of the shows." Nobody complains about HBO doing practically the same thing, but look how popular it still is.
If Netflix's algorithm was actually good, then I could understand this because I would only ever see stuff I was actually interested in. The problem is that, in my experience anyway, their algorithm sucks. It almost never hits the mark on what it thinks I would like. Which makes them annoying to have to sit through. Even if I did like everything it showed me though, will it keep recommending the same shows to me even if I've watched them, or potentially infinitely until I watch them? That would very quickly become annoying as well.
7serpent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah the greed worm is eating at Netflix's brain. It's immoral to leave some coins on the table. Ya'know people are stupid and will not cancel.
National Public Radio and Television have succumbed to the worm too.
Every time I have had to buy a radio or TV I have bought a smaller model to reflect what is worth watching. The next step is an increasingly easy one. Turn it off.
rodental ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of great suggestions here but this is a really simple one for me. I see ads, I unsubscribe. Only way they will ever change anything, if at all. They've already dropped 90% of the shows I used to watch and I honestly don't want Netflix just for their original programming.
Corporate greed strikes again. The people at the top of the trash heap that is Netflix want more money in the short-term, so they implement a monetization strategy thatโll cripple both their consumer base and them in the long-term. Idiots.
I feel like there is a major difference between being shown the same corny car commercial with Matthew McConaughey looking he needs a bath and being shown a quick show preview.
Have any of you even seen one of these "ads"? I got them yesterday, and I gotta tell ya, y'all are making a mountain out of a molehill.
It's literally a screenshot with NO audio with a title of one of their shows, it stays on the screen 10-15 seconds, then resumes your show and there is a "continue watching" button in the lower right corner making it immediately skippable.
At the worst you're getting a silent 10-15 second pause between shows and it is immediately skippable with the press of a button.
Personally I already watch more add free Hulu because they have more of a back catalog of stuff I want to watch and I don't care about Netflix originals, but Netflix has more movies and a better interface.
I do like the idea of not opting out of the test and then down voting/ disliking whatever they try and show me. Hopefully that may eventually lead to a show I might watch, which is the intended purpose.
But to each their own, I guess. Y'all do you!
rfb4e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could actually see this being somewhat useful but only if it was opt in ONLY. Maybe something where they ask if you want it on a first login and then never bother you again if you say no. Personally it's maybe something I'd turn on every so often if I'm in the market for a new show or whatever and would like to see some recommended content based on my viewing history.
Like I'm always for more options, but if they try to force the previews down people's throats that'd be an instant subscription cancel. If they do it right it could be a nice little optional feature to find new stuff to watch.
qaasq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure someone else has already mentioed this, but it's interesting that this article is written by "TVGuide". Of course they'll want to stir up controversy of Netflix, it's their main competitor.
To me, it depends on how these "commercials" are handled.
For example, let's say the episode of the show I'm watching ends, and now I'm being shown the credits. If the window for the credits reduces it's size, and in it's place is a static image or a 15 second video of some other show on the platform, I'm okay with that. Especially if I can press a button and move to the next episode.
I know it sounds weird for me to be okay with that method, but at the same time Netflix has so much stuff I'm not even aware of. This method provides an avenue to show me new content. But if the ad is for anything other than a movie/show available on Netflix, I would be pissed.
Wait. Am I missing something here? Isn't the whole point of Netflix is to pay for a streaming service absent advertising? This is why Hulu annoys me.
LuxLoser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the one hand, I pay a subscription not to get ads. On the other, itโs only their content, and there are plenty of great shows on there that could use exposure beyond word of mouth.
I guess as long as it isnt in the middle of the film or an episode I can tolerate it. But the minute non-Netflix content ads are in, Im out.
Lisnya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have Netflix in Greece, where we won't get the sixth season of OITNB, for example, because they've sold it to a cable network. I'm paying them every month, I don't get to even watch their own shows, let alone any other decent ones and soon I'll be paying them to watch ads? Yeah, no, I'm cancelling. I was already considering it as it was, I won't pay for ads.
Marketing guy here: Netflix is right, those are not commercials. They aren't really trying to sell you anything...you've already bought and paid for it. Its technically what's known as "Lead Nurturing" based on algorithmic data. You (the lead) are nurtured into keeping your subscription by being recommended other shows which their algorithm has identified as being something you may like. That way you don't get bored and unsubscribe.
A commerical would be showing a clip of a third party product or service which you would then pay another company for.
Mcflyguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's only a matter of time.
BOS2FL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont see a problem with netflixs ads. They arent very intrusive, your next episode will start by itself still, and you can skip it at anytime. Im not so lazy i cant hit the "play next" button. Plus they are just advertising for their own shows. Times are changing and things are getting more expensive to run/produce. I dont blame them
HiCZoK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch this shit in the bathtub amwith my phone on the cabinet. I dont want to get up and skip
I understand the blowback but it honestly doesnโt seem that bad to me.
All iโve seen is a silent advertisement for the 10 seconds right before it starts the next episode. It was unexpected but i donโt really mind.
zerosumh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix realized they had a problem.
Users: There's too many choices. I dont know what to watch. How do I know there's new shows or even remember?
Netflix: We need to get users to know a new show is coming out and remind them. Lets promote them in between or after!
Users: Fuck Netflix. I am going back to pirating.
I am not saying Netflix is right, but I have to agree that the problem they are trying to address is a bigger issue. Especially when they are shifting to making their own content. You want users to know about the new content you just paid a shit ton for and watch it.
Remember the studios are slowly refusing to sell content to Netflix. In the long term, Netflix wont even be able to buy if they wanted to. Everyone is making their own service. If anything Netflix is copying the way HBO promotes their own shows on their own platform.
punchki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon prime video already does this :( I hate it. But with these small changes all theyโre really looking for is for it to blow over. Outrage here, outrage there, 4 weeks later no one cares
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but Amazon Prime is a "throw in" with their Prime service. The total value there between the free shipping and the video is very good. But Netflix, that's a pure video subscription. When I pay for video, I want it ad free. I pay the extra $$ for no commercials on Hulu.
I understand it. I don't want to pay even $50 for unlimited access to 5 different content providers. Netflix changed all that. But getting this upset over a skippable ad seems pretty silly to me. Just a little perspective.
Iโm ok with the ads. Netflix provides incredible content. Some of the best original series, and they do it for pennies compared to other services. There are other streaming sites, but not ones with their level of phenomenal original content
monsto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Keep flying that flag of reasonability, homey. Right there with you.
"FUCK NETFLIX AND THEIR RELATED RECOMMENDATIONS DURING THE END CREDITS! I DON'T PAY YOU FOR COMMERCIALS!!"
Goes and watches hulu with it's related recommendations for Crest and Ford before and after everything.
I saw it pop up and immediately logged into the chat to complain. If that doesn't go away, I am cancelling.
One of the reason I have netflix is to shield my kids from advertising. And the "recommended" show can easily turn into a "product placement" a few years in the future.
They got me with the auto-playing NSFW trailers. And you can't lock it behind any password protection/user controls, so if you're kids happen to just click over to the non-Kids profile, then they'll get drugs and alcohol and cursing just from the GLOW trailer.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of hope that Netflix and Prime merge, to act as a buffer against every asshole (i.e. Disney) who wants to get on the stream train, further fragmenting the environment into an untenable wasteland. PrimeFlix - it even has a good ring to it.
Hulus better now anyways. Nobody has time for movies anymore. We just want to watch Rick and Morty again for the 1000th time.
gunghoun ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 13:24:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Netflix is showing ads but somehow Hulu is better?
Unless something has changed since I unsubscribed, Hulu is absolute garbage about ads. Even with the new Netflix ads, at least they only play between episodes. Hulu interrupts the show with the same 3 ads during a binge.
100 things being watched 100 times doesn't mean it's better genius.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then what are you saying? You said that in response to a criticism of Hulu.
If it wasn't to say Hulu is better, then you just randomly spouted your opinion of which one has shows you like better. There's not much on Hulu that I care to see, but I'll happily rewatch the Defenders heroes or the Last Kingdom. Just stating facts.
Exactly. You're either circle jerking Marvel or there isn't anything to watch on Netflix once you're done with all of it's originals.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any idea how many originals Netflix actually has produced? That's not really a limiting factor. Not that it matters, I'll happily watch some of those "100 times." There are also other things on Netflix, the CW super hero shows come to mind. Jericho, a lot of stand up comedy, the office, most recent Disney movies, movies in general, etc.
But I'm getting off topic. I'm not here to shill for Netflix. I'm trying to understand what exactly you like more about Hulu and how you saying their content is better and Netflix doesn't hold your interest the same way isn't you saying that Hulu is better.
People prefer serialized tv shows over originals. While people are binging those great originals once, they're still prefering old ass tv shows. Top watched shows are still shit like ER, South Park, Bob's Burgers, Family Guy, etc. Netflix no longer has those same tv offerings to help it compete and if it does, it's usually just fragments of the show. (ie. We have the office! But only season 4 5 and 6)
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:50:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A few shows may... None of the many shows I've ever watched on it have ever once shown a commercial, and it has been my primary platform for entertainment for 3+ years.
Ummm speak for yourself (i guess youโre the autistic virgin demographic?) I would rather get a terminal disease than watch rick and morty once, never mind 100 times. Give me movies any day.
Movies > shitty tv shows
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to live and die based on what you like.
I mean of course they're going to start showing commercials. I don't really understand what the world doesn't get about how much advertising subsidises everything around us in our lives.
Personally I do not own any shares in Netflix but if I have any say in it and I wanted to see the value of my investment go up I would constantly be pushing for commercials on that platform.
ttam281 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get what the big deal is. After a show, they play a clip from another show they think you might like. You don't have to watch it, you can skip it.
Zwolfer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs the problem if theyโre just showing you shows you may want to watch?
I already see them when I'm browsing. What's the point other than to waste my time? I came to Netflix to get away from commercials
pk3um258 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot believe I'm saying this, as someone who used to be the *largest* Netflix fanboy since 2008. But this might legit be the thing that makes me walk away from Netflix.
Not because I'm morally abhorred by commercials. I actually don't mind them with Hulu. But this is a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back situation.
I had this thought the other day, that outside of Stranger Things, I really don't care about Netflix Originals. I tried getting into the Marvel shows, but after Daredevil S1 and Jessica Jones S1, I just have zero interest. There are way too many forgettable movies. I don't care about yet another cheesy drama series with a slight sci-fi spin. The shows that I am watching right now aren't on Netflix. They're on Hulu and HBO.
I know this is one anecdote, but I wonder if this resonates with anyone out there.
I'm going to play devils advocate here. Are they really that bad? So they show you other shows Netflix spent money on to make. Maybe you will find something new? I have to go to the Netflix subs looking for new shows to watch. Also, they have wasted space between episodes of the show your watching, so they are just utilizing that time.
But for me... All I've seen is shows in other languages. I don't watch shows in Spanish or Chinese so... So far that's a no for me dog.
Adrian_F ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt show ads. They show trailers for other Netflix shows.
Iโm sorry, am I the only person who is actually kinda okay with this? I have a bad habit of watching the same stuff over and over even though I would like to try new shows. I hate cable commercials because theyโre for random products Iโll never want or need, and theyโre just made so stupidly. But I donโt hate seeing relevant advertising. Itโs not like Netflix is running ads for Pizza Hut and Toyota. Idk guys Netflix is still better than cable or Hulu, which are services you basically pay to show you ads.
Some 45% of millennials sharing passwords I guess they think they need some way to monetize the people who are getting the content for free.
jib661 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's an uncomfortable truth, you guys:
The paltry amount you've been paying per month for Netflix is pennies compared to what it costs to produce the content that they do and maintain their CDN. They've been purposely operating at a loss in order to gain users.
Cable costs $100+ a month and you still have to deal with commercials. your $11 for netflix doesn't cover their expenses, and it never has.
More uncomfortable truth, DISHNETWORK hopper. Record watch later SKIP COMMERCIALS!
Free OTA over the air networks, build/buy a dvr, record watch later SKIP COMMERCIALS!
Find pirated version on the web, COMMERCIALS REMOVED or SKIP COMMERCIALS!
$11 for netflix doesn't cover their expenses, and it never has.
Not really my problem, or business plan. We look for alternatives, and they get even less.
jib661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well, if you are butthurt by commercials, it is your problem.
There are so many flash-in-the-pan tech companies that spring up and offer the world, and people are so quick to assume that because something is priced a certain way, that it must be valued at that cost.
There's a startup in SF called mealpal that has promotional deals that get you lunch at restaurants in the city for $1-2. obviously it's not sustainable, but of course...when prices eventually increase, people get upset.
tech companies hemmorage money while in a growth state, then they hope that enough users stay when the pricing model changes. this has been happening forever, and the fact that people are still surprised by it is baffling to me.
Ghuapo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix will die. They are on the best way to the graveyard and since 6-12 months its hars to find good series and movies you dont already know. So adding advertisement wont help them gettin their shit together
... because you don't like it or what? Reality is that Netflix is still getting more popular every month, not less.
Unless you mean die 'some day', because yeah, nothing lasts forever.
Ghuapo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:40:11 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. It will die. I didnt say within the next 1-2 years but talkin like 4-5. No reason to get mad just because you are a Netflix fanboy. I don't know why you fight for Netflix with your life, but you can watch series on other platforms too, or even turn the fucking TV /phone off and do something different. Try it one day, helps your madness.
Netflix will only stand the test of time if they drop GOOD Netflix Originals CONSTANTLY, like a good season every month for at least 1 series. Or maybe even in a2-3 month span.
Because thats the only reason to have Netflix right now. You can watch the exact same series and movies ( and even more) on a bunch of other streaming platforms who DON'T use advertisements and have a larger variety of good movies and series.
So either people like their netflix originals really much or they are too dumb/lazy to go for something better.
But now that im saying it, maybe youre right. Cause most people are dumb and lazy and wont do shit if they dont really HAVE to.
But you know what? You just keep on paying Netflix and have a good life, i dont have the nerves to deal with your bullshit
Dummy I don't even subscribe to Netflix, just looked up the statistics real quick which showed it still gains subscribers, which is the only thing I stated.
So I wasn't mad, not a fanboy, not fighting for it. Laughing my ass off right now though. That's a lot of projections and assumptions there.
I have little opinion about Netflix, they offer very few shows in my country so it isn't worth it to me.
Ghuapo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah so whats ur point then? Statistics dont say shit. Just because Bitcoins were on a boom doesnt mean they will have much value in the future, same goes for everything else in life.
But im glad i made you laugh.
Peace
A bunch of whiny little overreacting bitches in this thread. If they had real commercials in the middle of the movie or show that would be another story. This is just promoting a show at the end. Something HBO, Showtime, Amazon Prime already do.
490n3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial means buying and selling. In the context of TV its short for commercial advertising. Netflix isn't trying to sell you something (you already own it). They are trying to help you discover shows. If you opt out then fine, but let's be clear there is a massive difference between them showing trailers for shows you might be interested in and trying to flog you the latest Ford.
Greetings, SilentSaboteur. Unfortunately, your submission has been removed from /r/nottheonion because our rules do not allow:
Content that doesn't have an oniony quality to it (rule #2). Your submission would be better suited for another subredditr/netflix instead.Just because you think the title is funny or ironic, that doesn't mean the article is appropriate for /r/nottheonion.
I never thought I would see this day. I honestly believed that Netflix would rather die with honor, and go down with the ship. I guess you really do either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
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BunnicusRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PSA: http://www.netflix.com/DoNotTest to opt out.
Full credit to /u/My_reddit_strawman for this comment, I'd sticky theirs but the only comments we can sticky are our own (and no, we don't get karma for stickied comments, so cool your jets, karmalawyers).
https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/98tbm3/netflix_shows_commercials_claims_theyre_not/e4ipvlu/
Thanks /u/LeakySkylight for the suggestion.
*and sorry if we missed an earlier one, did the Ctrl+F thing to try to be thorough.
Update: according to /u/Zekro, this works better for mobile: https://www.netflix.com/donottest
And alternative POV from /u/Suttsy33:
Similarly from /u/Procrastibator666:
And another one telling me that if I'm not a data scientist I can STFU. Ok well, if you explain that I'll update, Mr. Data Scientist. Otherwise, IDK, whatever, you guys can read thru this subthread if you care.
ILoveLamp9 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:53:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this link was to opt-out of testing, but once fully implemented, everyone would still get the ads. Even those on the list.
BunnicusRex ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:56:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's my understanding too. However, if there's enough pushback on the test ads, they might be forced to abandon the push to all subscribers, or ditch this program and find another way to promote stuff.
JX3D97 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:58:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
we all know what it means when theres an "opt out" of a "test"...
ENJOY YOUR FINAL MOMENTS OF CHOICE
The_pun_fart ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:47:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They became what they fought against.
Official--Moderator ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:58:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BunnicusRex? More like FunnicusRex! Good mod. You just made the cool list!
BunnicusRex ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:05:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OMG YAY I never thought that day would come...
Next round of tendies is on me!
pencil-thin-mustache ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:21:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You ever read the Bunnicula books when you were a kid?
BunnicusRex ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:24:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOVE the Bunnicula books. My fave was The Celery Stalks At Midnight - but then Howliday Inn came out, and the poodle whose brain was addled by soap operas was too much... so I think it took the fave spot.
I'm guessing you did too?
pencil-thin-mustache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely did! I didnโt know if your name was a reference so I thought Iโd ask. Glad to see the classics getting love!
Bobo040 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did
Procrastibator666 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:11:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We need to do the opposite! Opt-in and make sure to ignore these new advertisements. Another user stated this below, Netflix is on record saying they will not listen to customer feedback. They are only looking at how people interact with it
ViggoMiles ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:35:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Netflix changed their pricing scheme like 10 years ago, they lost so many people, they reverted back.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:52:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be higher. Their stock plummeted and they went back to their original platform
PM_me_UR_duckfacepix ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:26:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty certain they'll listen to customer feedback if said feedback is your stated reason for cancelling your subscription after being served a single ad.
Don't want to do that en masse over just a few ads (even though you could re-subscribe later)?
Congratulations, it seems you DO tolerate a few ads.
Procrastibator666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best option, do both. I'll definitely call and cancel if needed. Terrarium still works on Droid no problem
PM_me_UR_duckfacepix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/TerrariumTV
nightswhosaynit ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So like the 10 people on Reddit who actually pay for their subscription?
Jedi_Tinmf ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:46:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for stickying that!!
ul2006kevinb ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:57:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone actually watch Netflix on a browser? I only ever watch on an app or a Roku
calilac ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:59:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, there's dozens of us.
infectedcarrot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally.
DickButtlip ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just about the only way I watch. The app for amazon fire freezes constantly, donโt save its place and will restart you 4 episodes back or completely restart the show/movie
Edit: amazon fire, the tablet
DragonflyGrrl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never experienced any of that with my FireStick..
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well..itโs the official Amazon product..
Or am I being whooshed?
DickButtlip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nope, netflix app on the amazon fire, it's just terrible. The only time I use it now is when I'm cooking and I bring it into the kitchen
the9thEmber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have any issues on my firestick or fire tv. Of all the streaming services, Netflix DOES have probably the best system for determining bandwidth and leveraging speed/quality. Is it possible you have something else going on like signal interference or a glitchy firestick?
DickButtlip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon fire, not fire stick. Itโs a tablet. The tablet is fine, itโs the app that blows
EAUO9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you need to restore your fire stick or something. I own three and havenโt seen that problem
Sugarbean29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We usually watch in thru our xbox on the tv. Occasionally we hook up the laptop to the tv to watch non-Canadian Netflix shows, but that's also technically on the tv(?). We used to watch straight on the laptop when we were younger and would cuddle in bed to Netflix and actually chill lol.
throwitallawaynsfw ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:14:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I watch an "internet streaming service" on my computer on anything but an internet browser? (jackie chan wtf face)
daguito81 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:41:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beeeeecause that's why I have a TV for. And I can watch Netflix confrotably from my couch with my wife next to me?
I'm having a hard time even trying to comprehend your train of thought here.
TVs, phones so you can watch shows in the bus/train. Chromecast if your TV is not smart.. So many reasons why someone would not watch Netflix on a browser
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of younger people donโt have TVs
daguito81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm sure the younger population, specially students and such might not have a TV... But the poster didn't make the claim that "some people watch it on browsers" he made a Jackie Chan wtf face about why would people not watch it on a browser considering is an "internet streaming service" I provided several cases (and I'm sure that most households have TVs). Actually I would argue that the fact that Netflix is extremely proactive in having update apps in every kind of TV and TV streaming device like Roku would say that most of their customers fall into that category.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but Iโd say students probably make up half of Netflixโs user base
ktappe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because some of us don't want our computer screen taken up with the show? I own a 55 inch TV for a reason; to watch TV shows on. Why would I not watch TV shows on my TV??
throwitallawaynsfw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See, this assumes I am also not using my computer with a 55 inch monitor/TV... I just have a remote with probably more buttons than yours.
singhzzz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because netflix in browser is limited to 720p I believe.
Aiosiary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is? That's good to know.
nelzon1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Microsoft edge
throwitallawaynsfw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope
Hotemetoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I mean why would you ever watch netflix on a device that you carry with you almost 24/7. Can't think of any reason either. I'd rather watch it on my other device that's pretty much always at home and takes ages to start up.
Icandothemove ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean. Yeah. I watch tv primarily at home, so, the giant devices Iโve acquired for watching movies and tv are generally where I want to be able to do that.
ktappe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your TV takes ages to start up, you must have an ancient TV. Further, who's to say you can't watch it on all the devices? Why are you treating this like an either/or situation?
Hotemetoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a TV, I meant my laptop. And I'm only responding to the poster above me. "Why would I watch Netflix on anything other than my internet browser." I thought it was kind of strange statement. There's quite a few good reasons. Of course I watch netflix on my laptop occasionally too. I also do use the app in that situation though.
throwitallawaynsfw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Solid-state drives my man! It's the Future!โข
DickButtlip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because I have an iphone4 and Iโd rather not strain my eyes or kill my battery in 45 minutes
larrydocsportello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, most people donโt have an iPhone 4. My phone is like half the size of my tablet
DickButtlip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live on a budget. The size of my phone is fine, i just wish it wasn't a POS. And I only bring my tablet to and from work, not risking bringing that anywhere
larrydocsportello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt buy my phone because of the size.
DickButtlip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me either, it came free with the contract
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My 7 Plus was 45, refurbed plus 11 dollars a month
ul2006kevinb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you watching it on a laptop instead of a TV?
throwitallawaynsfw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... did I say laptop?
ul2006kevinb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correction: why are you watching it on a computer instead of a TV?
throwitallawaynsfw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I'm not watching it on a TV connected to my computer?
ul2006kevinb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I have a computer connected to my TV, too, but I still use my Roku for Netflix. A remote is designed to be used on a sofa across the room, a keyboard and mouse are not. It's just easier.
larrydocsportello ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes?
Iโd say half of people that have Netflix watch on their laptop.
vinfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/theydidntdothemath
Suttsy33 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:02:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't opt out of testing, that makes it so that people that don't want it are ignored. Stay in testing, don't click on the ads, and dislike the show after the ad plays.
Swineflew1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:25:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does this accomplish?
Boundiesinternet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shows they are trying to promote will have lower ratings if enough people dislike fast enough, having the opposite effect. Although since they got rid of the rating and implemented a match system they could easily tamper with it
Swineflew1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So tell them the show is bad because you donโt like ads? Seems like youโre just skewing data and not actually getting your point across.
Boundiesinternet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yeah seems a little backwards, happens a lot on steam tho, sorta like they've sunk all this time and money into making an amazing show and it's not making them their money back because it's being boycotted for an unrelated reason? Well then they'll stop doing that unrelated thing
Edit: with regards to Netflix tho, they already have your money regardless of watching so won't have as big an impact? Not 100% on this but the best way to hit them would be to en mass unsubscribe, mines being cancelled tonight
Fmeson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are advertising Netflix originals because they need them to survive. Once other studios start pulling their IPs from Netflix, Netflix needs to have their own valuable IP to survive. They aren't going to stop producing originals no matter what.
Sleisl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A tech giant like Netflix will have trend monitoring on pretty much every metric including A/B Test opt-out rates. Iโm sure when the opt outs spike the Analytics department will be able to put two and two together...
Suttsy33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've already stated they won't listen to their customers, they'll listen to the efficacy of the ads.
vinfox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but people not liking the ads doesn't really matter if they serve their intended purpose.
LeakySkylight ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much :)
It's a lot of work to do what you do and it's appreciated!
BunnicusRex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aw, I feel like I'm in /r/wholesomememes :)
Seriously though, your appreciation is appreciated. Usually modding is just about getting yelled at, so nice feedback is a breath of fresh air. I only started modding because I love this sub and hate reposts & shittiness (& have a boring job). There are def bad mods, but most of us are trying to make our subs better, even if we disagree or fuck up sometimes.
Hust91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hug We appreciate you a lot!
Sorry for we don't always show it.
SmaMan788 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:29 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be the guy who yells at you, but then why after all this did you suddenly decide "not oniony enough, remove it?"
BunnicusRex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:43 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mods took a vote whether it was oniony or not, and "Not oniony" won (because clickbait headline for a program that's fairly common in that industry, and of course the PR people know we hate the word "commercials").
I'm just one mod. If you disagree with the decision, you can modmail to discuss it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're the best.
They_wont ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll "opt out" by unscribing the moment they show ads.
prollyguilty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good mod
fallinshelter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An alternate alternate view: the more people who opt out the better. The more people who view an ad space increase the worth of that space. So if less people opt to see it, the less money companies will pay for that ad space
Edit: grammar, which is probably still wrong lmao
shadowkhaleesi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with the mass opt out approach is that there simply is not enough awareness/savvy/conviction among the general audience to actually make a meaningful dent on the โreachโ of the test, if you will. Even if there was an organized opt-out coalition that got airtime on social networks, traditional media, its own hashtag, and protestors in key cities, it would still be a stretch to think that enough people would go into their account and opt out for something like this. Even Facebook, with its more concerning international privacy โscandalโ that got weeks of airtime and a #DeleteFacebook movement, arguably came out on the other side probably with no real internal change in course. The better approach, IMHO, is to opt-in and just try to be the least monetizable user ever by minimizing your engagement with ads, and maybe even reducing your usage if you see too many of them. Behavioral analytics inform most decisions in companies like these.
fallinshelter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm still going to disagree. Netflix knows full well people arenโt going to like the addition of ads. If people just give negative feedback about the ads, why would Netflix care? Ads are effective if and only if the ad is seen. So regardless if it catches on or not, there is a direct correlation between how much money Netflix will receive and how many people see an ad.
There is less of a correlation between whether or not people like the adds they see, especially if they still continue to pay for the service.
I also disagree that people wonโt get up in arms about this. This is the exact thing that people would get up in arms against. A subscription based company not only adding ads, but also blatantly lying about it? Cmon. But regardless of how big of a wave this will make, Netflix wonโt get my incredibly small fraction of ad revenue because Iโm going to opt out.
C_IsForCookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"They won't listen to customer feedback"
Wat?
Zekro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For those on mobile this link works better: https://www.netflix.com/donottest
WinWithoutFighting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Already unsubscribed. That is the only real message we can send.
Vurondotron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does that solve anything, just because you opt-out of the testing doesn't mean it won't eventually come to your account.
ERIK_LIFE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It appears that Netflix is blocking the link or the load of everyone on Reddit crashed it
Edit: Nvm I was using Nord VPN on a unsupported sever.
BunnicusRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heh. The old Reddit Hug O'Death...
imahsleep ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Listen here Iโve been a data scientist for 25 years. I got my data science degree back in the 90s before data science was even cool. You young kids think you know how to do analytics and shit but you have no clue. What we should be doing is sending strongly worded data emails to Netflix telling them to listen to us data scientists that they are doing it all wrong. If that doesnโt work we will have to bring in the data engineers. Thatโll really show them.
Merari01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, what we need to be doing is contact the 24th century and have Data contact them.
imahsleep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look interstellar was just a movie ok.. as data scientist I can tell the difference between fiction and reality
Merari01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but this is Star Trek TNG.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Star Trek The Next Generation?
imahsleep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never seen it nerd
JackMizel ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This nonsense to not opt out is ridiculous and ignorant, if you don't know the first thing about data science then you should hold your tongue
dreed91 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:21:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a data scientist?
JackMizel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could consider myself a data scientist but I have done work in the field both as a hobbyist and a professional and I can guarantee you that every viable metric will be considered. No company in their right mind is going to analyse just one metric, or ignore other potentially valuable metrics.
Think about it, if everyone opted out except say 10% of all customers why would Netflix in their right minds ignore that? It makes absolutely no sense to not consider it. Customers do the most convenient actions possible, I know this from working in mobile design but it's well established in many fields. End users want things to be as easy and intuitive as possible, so when a person goes out of their way to go into settings and find the opt out flag for a program it is considered a strong negative reaction. And I know you'll say that it isn't hard to change those settings, as a technically apt user I agree with you but you gotta understand most Netflix users are not savvy and have never even been in their account settings.
I'm sure I'll get more downvotes from people who have no idea what they are talking about but trust me when I say ignoring opt outs makes zero sense. If Netflix was run by goldfish then maybe, but they are at the forefront of analytics right now.
dreed91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For what it's worth, I agree with you on almost all of those points, but you just hadn't offered much support prior to this comment.
I am not a data scientist myself, but I have some very basic knowledge (did some machine learning stuff in college). Although I do see that opting out is a pretty big deal, I'd assume that even just not clicking the ads will be considered too. Though you do raise a big point about the weight of a user going out of their way to opt out is probably much greater than the weight of a user just not clicking the ads.
ktappe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:28:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you call it "data science" kind of betrays you. It's called "statistics".
GokuYaDefty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Data Science is legit. Most TelCos will have data scientists. Statistics are just statistics, they aren't a science nor are they the analysis that produce... Statistics.
daguito81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh , that's a very cloudy Grey area nowadays. Some people see DS as more like the application of statistics. Just like engineering is really nothing more than Physics and Chemistry applied.
JackMizel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Um what are you talking about? Do you not know what data science is?
https://www.paysa.com/salaries/netflix--senior-data-scientist
Netflix doesn't hire statisticians, they hire data scientists. They are entirely different fields
MaxV0ltage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing, really. From what they are teaching in college these days, data science is just applied statistics.
sexysouthernaccent ยท 7596 points ยท Posted at 14:26:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like radio stations advertising themselves every 3rd song while they claim you're in the middle of a commercial free hour.
cisforcookie2112 ยท 3975 points ยท Posted at 14:38:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โYouโre listening to a commercial free hour brought to you by <corporate sponsor>โ
ThirdRook ยท 1090 points ยท Posted at 15:10:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iheartradio probably
erikwidi ยท 778 points ยท Posted at 15:31:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iHeart is dying a death in the United States though, so hopefully in the next decade or so we will see the end of such empty, monopolized corporate radio.
source: I work in empty, monopolized corporate radio.
Ven72 ยท 748 points ยท Posted at 15:34:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dying a death is a tough way to go.
rdyoung ยท 223 points ยท Posted at 15:36:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dying a death is a tough way to die. In fact I believe it's the worst way.
cancercures ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:46:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
name of my next 1 minute 30 second punk song: DIE TIL YOUR DEAD
CommandersLog ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 15:53:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your dead what?
seanpeery ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:03:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's all of it, he died shortly after starting to write the title of the song. All that's on the paper is
Truly u/canercures died doing what he loved, dying of a tragic case of death.
Deep_Grady ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:06:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the most fatal cases of death ever seen
CptnMalReynolds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was dictating.
seanpeery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, somebody got the very obscure Monty Pythons reference.
Have some !redditsilver
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:13:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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seanpeery ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/wooosh
Let me elaborate for you, simpleton. The joke was that your means possessive, where the original author meant you're as in you are. However, taking what /u/CommandersLog pointed out (which was that the sentence was incomplete) I added a joke that our author died trying to finish his sentence. Hence why I explicitly state "he died shortly after starting to write the title of the song".
Do I need to take you to /r/explainlikeimfive to help you understand the joke or do you get it now?
Edit: /r/wooosh is apparently closed now, sad.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly, you just look like a pedant.
HashedEgg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You digging yourself a windtunnel or something?
seanpeery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you getting these "facts" from?
Seriously, enlighten me on what could possibly make you think that the author of that intentionally made that mistake as part of a joke? If he did there would be context clues other than the mistake, please point them out.
calafragilistic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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seanpeery ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:35:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/iamverysmart
wildcard1992 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's a grammar punk
AThilgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dead is dead
DirtieHarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Til your dying body is dead!
hardy2see ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
deadtodaded wam
ReddHaring ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One minute too long.
Nidos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weโre not listening to Anal Cunt here
tuskvarner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Featuring 3 sloppy power chords and drums that suddenly kick in after 5 seconds.
weird_witha_beard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Die! TIL: you're dead
ChurchillianGrooves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say it's more black metal personally.
yehti ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Being killed to death is worse than dying to death.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew someone who was murdered and killed to death that led to him overall dying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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marcoreus7sucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But things dont necessarily kill when they're dyed
counterplex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only second to slowly dying a slow death til you're dead.
the_taco_baron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This hits too close to home. My grandpa died from a severe case of dying a death.
PoorlyLitKiwi2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Counterpoint: it's also the best way
TrustFulParanoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For my people, it is the only way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds rough, but ill take a sample of it anyway
cinnawaffls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear that dying a death ultimately leads to death, but donโt quote me on that
wildo83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you get killed to death!
I_NEED_YOUR_MONEY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
also the best way
Dickbagel11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a great aunt who died because of death, it was heartbreaking to see her go like that
UnclePatche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it kills you
joelfriesen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every year, Thousands of Americans die of death. Despite Millions or dollars of research, death continues to be our nation's number one killer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riq0axKu2CU&ab_channel=JasonTheBruce
GaBeRockKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, this makes me furious. We waste BILLIONS of dollars trying to cure cancer, but can barely spare a few millions to avoid having fellow Americans dieing to death? I'm literally shaking (my head) rn.
norieeega ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Killed by death is tougher still.
ltshep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least theyโre not being killed to death though.
DKMOUNTAIN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I read that all humans will eventually die a death if you live long enough. Really makes you think
Typo_Ned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People die when they are killed
Ven72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โ...itโll kill you!โ โOnly if I die.โ โYes, thatโs what... โkilling youโ means.โ
ShaggyBalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not as bad as waking up dead though.
bertcox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its they way capitalism is supposed to work, dumb bad companies go bankrupt and new better ones spring up from the ashes.
Looking at you BoA, Wells Fatgo.
Ven72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wells Fatgo dying a death. What a world.
sexaddic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWe euthanize our animals why not our corporations.โ
SpaceCampDropOut ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 15:58:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also worked in radio. Theyโve been saying the demise of Clear Channel/iHeart was coming for the last ten years yet they somehow always stick around.
LonePaladin ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'll just change their name again, then tell us it's something new.
huskiesofinternets ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Radio exists soley to advertise supplements.
SmaMan788 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Source: Former public radio producer/host, and ongoing supporter.
xrat-engineer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They also have their sponsor spots, at least around me.
It seemed to often be disgraced companies or companies heading into a scandal. I remember hearing Lumber Liquidators ads and also investigative reporting about Lumber Liquidators. It was kind of funny.
SmaMan788 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well of course, but it's not as actively intrusive as commercial radio. There's also some very defined legal differences between commercial radio's ads and public radio's underwriting. (No "calls to action," etc.)
Also, we were made to be very clear if any subject we were reporting on was a public radio underwriter, but with the top notch journalists NPR has, that's seldom been a problem.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, so you advertise people.
I listen to NPR all day, itโs annoying.
SmaMan788 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, pick your poison. We (content producers) don't work for free.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I love NPR even if it has became definitely worse content wise in the past years, but I blame federal funding rather than you.
I had an internship with VPR a bit ago, I loved it.
xrat-engineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, absolutely. It's much less intrusive and it occupies much less time, but it still really feels like advertisement, even if it technically isn't.
I will give all the kudos for being good about keeping a hundred foot wall between sponsor spots and reporting, and the reporting is always great and unbiased.
I don't give my fifteen bucks a month for nothing, after all!
shadow1515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, they're mainly the reason I don't listen to any radio at all and never will again. So I couldn't care less what they do.
Linuxbrandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If stock prices are any indication Sirius XM will take โem all out soon enough.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sirius isnโt taking out anyone unless they make some major changes
JX3D97 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:59:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
good, they've ruined so many good radio stations
StupidQuestionBot ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
buys local niche rock station
...
plays despacito on loop 24 hours a day
The day ClearChannel dies will be the day radio is hopefully reborn.
Euphorium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:43 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They turned the longest running hard rock station in my city into one that plays top 40 "alternative".
JX3D97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:34 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
yes, hopefully!
Shart_Barfuncle ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll believe it when I see it. Theyโve been on the verge of bankruptcy for years, and even when they do go under theyโve altered radio so much that it wonโt even matter honestly.
Source: a local cluster worker who sees them practicing the exact same tactics as iHeart.
mymomisntmormon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What tactics besides shitty music is that?
Shart_Barfuncle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piping in talent for shows instead of using local talent, using consultants to build those shitty playlists instead of allowing program directors to choose whatโs best for their stations, putting extremely limited resources in the local talent they do hire, paying board ops minimum wage. Itโs pretty much the same across the board.
Baggo-nuts-4-sale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel sorry for you youngsters. Back in my day the radio stations played good music.(late 50's early 60's.)
Yes there were commercials but hey, someone has to pay for the station.
You could call in day or nite, talk to the dj and ask for a song, you could even dedicate it. All local.
thepastyprince ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:07:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the horrible I heart radio stations play at our hotel pool all day. They always advertise that radio reaches millenials better than any other advertisers. I was like uuuh last time I checked all the young people use spotify and other music apps now.
e22ddie46 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:22:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But this ad reaches more people out of touch with millennials than any spotify ad!
shadow1515 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I've listened to a radio station in a decade, wtf are they smoking.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:07:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No free service can exist without a revenue stream. What options do you suggest take its place? It's obviously still running because there are people who listen?
erikwidi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I'm arguing.
That's not the issue. The issue is that they're spending more money than they're making. And more and more people don't like this cold, corporate structure, it's a poison to local radio.
Go back to traditional radio. Let stations have their identities back. Let them have their own unique brand, with their own unique logos, playlists, IDs, websites, etc. Push the attention to the individual stations rather than companies and corporate structures. Radio is still totally killing it in small towns and clusters, and that's where the metagame is heading to. People care about the communities they live in. They would much rather hear someone FROM their community talking ABOUT their community instead of some prerecorded bullshit from Ryan Seacrest. This corporate showbiz Hollywood style doesn't work for traditional radio.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then a local radio station can open up and if it's better will compete and become the top.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think it can in this instance? Could it be a local station can't compete in the environment?
SchuminWeb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iHeartMedia is in the same boat as Toys R Us was in, isn't it?
Variable_Interest ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bought by VCs for monetized deconstruction?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JohnnyVNCR ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:59:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right. It went to hell once Clear Channel and Cumulus were able to buy up whatever they wanted in the early 90s.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JohnnyVNCR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I worked for Cumulus for a while after college. I got my Bachelors in Music Industry. Radio was a depressing place to be, I didn't last long.
Woefully_Forgettable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the same thing is happening with the internet. It's become completely corporatized. Almost every site now has a corporate affiliation and yet we see it happening and do nothing.
erikwidi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your support.
SaltineFiend ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:00:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs the same thing. I know I will be sued for mentioning facts, but iheartradio is Clear Channel.
WickedSilence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when it first came out iheartradio was free. Those were the days
mixedliquor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I sincerely doubt we will see an end, I sincerely hope so. I live in an isolated area where Clear Channel stations were divested and acquired by local interests. I love my local radio stations.. interviews with local officials, relevant news, better variety.
Gonzobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coulda sworn Clearchannel was the one that was dying. I wonder why this new entirely unrelated radio entity is also now dying. /s
DepletedMitochondria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you see as the future? Local independent stations and Public Radio?
SmaMan788 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I interned briefly at a Cumulus cluster of stations. It's got a long way to go before its truly dead.
champagneparce25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then they just spring back up with another name lol, theyโve been around since the 70s
puppiadog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope podcasts become the new radio
fromtheill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its the worst. idk how people do it. I worked in a place that had 80s 90s and today radio. IT WAS THE SAME 40 Songs all day everyday.
RollandOfGilead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as iheart needed me to sign-up for an account I promptly uninstalled the app.
TheBanjoNerd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iHeart can't die quickly enough. My local rock station was owned by iHeart and once they switched corporate owners it became bareable to listen to again. I've mostly switched to NPR though because they only play the same five songs on heavy rotation.
Greggster990 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It won't be the end even if they go bankrupt completely. There are a lot of companies invested in it (Liberty Media for one) that would not mind taking control of it when it falls.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iheartattack
flxtr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to be a radio DJ when I was in high school. I volunteered with a family friend who had a show on a church owned station that played rock music on Wednesdays. I also went out and worked for a local rock station doing remotes at concerts and festivals.
My freshman year (1993) of college I signed up to be a DJ and got a 4a to 8a Saturday morning shift with my roommate. We called ourselves the โHangover Showโ and we had a lot of fun. We were good, got bumped up to the 8-10a shift on Tuesday and Thursday. Pretty rare for freshmen and Business majors.
There was a color coded system for heavy and medium rotation of songs and artists couldnโt repeat for 3 hours. We kept a paper log of what we played and when.
Sophomore year it all changed. A computer was installed in the studio. There was a set playlist, we were just drones that dropped the needle or queued up the CD. There were set filler spots where we had to talk to fill time and our ads went from PSAโs to actual businesses. โThis is how the real world works!โ our Program Director told us. It became a job. I hated it. I dropped it second semester and went back to focusing on business.
Trey22200 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate radio ftw
ImperialReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone working in community radio stations outside the US what is your perceived reason for the death of IheartRadio?
FlawedHero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God I hope so. Here in Atlanta we used to have such a killer group of radio stations. Radio here was part of the culture of Atlanta, not just some background noise.
Now it's all iheartradio, ultra-homogenized, super safe, as-pop-as-we-can bullshit. Atlanta used to be a top spot for tours, every band tried to book weekend shows here and they'd always sell out. Now it's all Tuesdays and Thursdays.
AyMoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn we live in a society
SquanchingOnPao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are you saying you don't like mumble rapping with brake noises?
oldjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Edmonton station is an iheartradio station I would be super choked if they shut down as I'm sure most of the city would be too
feelitrealgood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How are they dying a death? Arenโt they one of the chief investors in Spotify?
Radiothrowaway1981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey me too! And I work for a company (entercom) which is basically turning into what Clear Channel (iHeart) or Cumulus was 10 years ago. Buying all the stations that those groups can't afford anymore. Have literally been told "Good luck going somewhere else, when we buy that station first thing we'll do is fire you!" a year and a half left on my contract...can't get out soon enough.
Omegamanthethird ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:55:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only use them for radio stations.
FromTheDeskOfJAW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where will I get my Russ Martin Show though
Despeao ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 15:40:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even from the US but radio stations do the same over here. Even podcasts have ads nowadays ... of course they're all Ad free.
It's almost like the DoubleSpeak of the industry of selling you stuff
maccathesaint ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Free podcasts are so bad for it. When I'm lying on my bed, enjoying my free 100 night 'sleep on it' trial on my incredibly comfortable Casper mattress, it's all I can think about.
(actually don't begrudge podcasts, they are free and the presenters need to eat. Eat delicious and easy meals from Blue Apron).
read_the_usernames ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:14:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blue apron and Casper...
This guy podcasts.
Edit: please stop haha I hear a million of these adds on my hour commute everyday, seeing these pop up as notifications on my phone is triggering the fuck out of me.
maccathesaint ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can find my podcast on my website that I built myself on squarespace.
It was so easy, using their range of amazing preexisting templates!
Excal2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:44:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let me tell you guys about how I got my business off the ground using easy to use tools from Wix.
geoff_the_great ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't be bothered, so I hired somebody using Zip Recruiter!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:18:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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reol7x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Quip? The ONLY ADA approved subscription electric toothbrush? I heard about that when I was looking for a new intern on ZipRecruiter.com
Undercoversongs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:26:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Audible audiobooks...
Parkinglotsfullyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I donโt mind the audible ads at all. I listen to history podcasts exclusively and the ads are usually followed with a recommendation related to what Iโm listening. Iโve yet to get any audiobooks because Iโm pretty busy with several podcasts but I make note of the recommendations and Iโll probably get them when I catch up on my podcasts.
shadowsofthesun ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can get 3 meals free at Blapron.com
Farqwarr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And probably uses Audible.com to do it. Audible, where you get:
30 days of membership free, plus a book to get you started.
1 credit a month after trial, good for any audiobook regardless of price.
Access to original premium podcasts, ad-free and exclusively from Audible.
Your own library to build. Keep your books forever, even if you cancel.
Exclusive member-only savings. Get 30% off additional audiobooks.
Easy exchanges. Donโt love a book? Swap it for free, anytime. Seriously.
Reallynoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or the cash app, sign up today and $5 goes to dig wells for the pygmies in the Congo!
Senorisgrig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was just listening to The Last Podcast on the Left and they weee advertising Casper mattresses.
Blissfulystoopid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo it really is Blue Apron in EVERY PIDCAST. They have so many discount codes for those first three meals three I think you could type literally anything and they'll just throw it at you anyways.
e22ddie46 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wearing my lovely bombus socks
maccathesaint ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I much prefer miundies. They do matching his and hers now!
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doo doo doot dooo
Blissfulystoopid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont mind my podcasts having commercials too much, but I listen / am catching up on Hello From the Magic Tavern and I swear to god they break 5+ minutes on some of their commercials.
When they first started doing them they even read an email out complaining that the commercials were too long, laughed at it and shrugged it off!
kafircake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When the internet of things gets going your mattress will also try to sell you things. With a voice so hypnotic, soft and gentle it could be Charmin Arse Wipes.
maccathesaint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can already buy those from Leesa Matress I'm sure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how Bill Burr does his ads.
"D'oooooooooh Jeeeeeeezus- it's our old friend, ol' ZIP-...................................................................
grapesodaparty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...recruitah!
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BlooooooooooooooeyAH
RECRUITAH
Edit- It's also funny to keep track of his advertiser turnaround, and how usually he reads the email word for word ...."Alright let's see, insert anecdote and/or experiences with SHARI'S BARRIES. Oh, shit, um, yeah, I got these berries for the lovely Nia, well really they were a free advertiser sample, but they made the SHIT outta those berries!"
Also love how everytime there's a return guarantee for anything you wear or sleep on he always just says "gross" hahaha
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"If you don't like SHARI'S BERRIES, you can return them, GROSS....The fuck is tha- like aftah they come out the other end?"
reol7x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And while you're at it, once you're done with your refreshing meal from Blue Apron, be sure to pick up one of these handy electric toothbrushes by Quip. Quip is the only ADA approved subscription electric toothbrush.
maccathesaint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually haven't heard of that one yet! The only US podcasts I listen to are Sawbones and more recently WTF though so I'm sure it'll cross my path soon!
Mnm0602 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to a WW1 podcast where every episode is interrupted by one of 3 ads for another podcast, including a non-sensical "Think History is stuuuuupid???" commercial which then proceeds to try to sell you on why history is fun....while I'm listening to a WW1 historical podcast. Like how fucking stupid are they?
M-elephant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
watch this instead: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGreatWar
Mnm0602 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen some of those but podcasts are better for driving.
M-elephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fair enough
Despeao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm, this guy is indeed very good.
Despeao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What podcast ? I'm curious now.
Mnm0602 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
History of the Great War
DepletedMitochondria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even advertisers know, advertisers ruin everything.
puppiadog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Without advertising we wouldn't have network TV, websites or podcasts. You people are so entitled, you basically want free content.
DepletedMitochondria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's literally an adage in business circles.
Despeao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:55 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want free content but I'll pirate your stuff. Come and get me (((((((((((((((((
Dr1337 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ooo ZIP... RECRUITAH!
puppiadog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless people start paying for podcasts, they have to have ads in them and we all know people are not going to pay for them. At least they are skippable.
Despeao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know they are there for a good reason. But if they have Ads, then they're not Ad free.
hurrdurrilikecake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iHeart Radio is THE WORST.
bobbyzee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In disbelief to how accurate you are
avgusrname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pandora as well (worth it usually a 15sec ad for 1 hour of none)
BumblebeeCurdlesnoot ยท 293 points ยท Posted at 15:14:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than the awful local commercials that get played on the radio. The screeching tires and horns for auto insurance (how is that legal when most people listen in the car?), booming fast-talking car salesmen, and horrible jingles for local businesses is a lot worse. I just listen to podcasts now
Has_No_Gimmick ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hey, it's not just local businesses. The Kars4Kids jingle will never leave my brain.
BumblebeeCurdlesnoot ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:24:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, but the one that sticks in my head 10 years after I moved away was for a local tattoo shop/head shop in town called The Dark Side and Tattooing. Youโd think a place like that would use heavy metal or something for their commercial, but instead they had this cheesy-sounding happy woman singing โDark Side and Tatooing, Express yourself!โ in that typical jingle fashion.
soupyfrood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will never forget "Trader Jims, Traaader Jims, Traader Jiiiiiiiiiims Westerrrrrnn Waaaaaare."
Mnm0602 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was probably one of those deals where you could pay $30k for a heavy metal song or $15k for a jingle that will stick from someone that churns them out, and the shop chose the latter.
PheerthaniteX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody that's lived in Central Minnesota probably shares my seething hatred for Kia of St. cloud
Karrion8 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:40:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No! Why?
It was gone! It was gone....
Smaskifa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I recently donated my mom's car to them. Had an issue with the title and had to call them. They play that fucking jingle while you're on hold. I nearly canceled the donation.
PeteRock24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great.
Now thatโs in my head for the rest of the day.
arosiejk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does it ever switch to the hip, edgy, fast rockin version in your head?
sebastiansly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1 877 kars4kids K-a-r-s kars4kids donate your car today
covert_operator100 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:15:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It actually is illegal in many countries. They still do it because it almost always goes unreported.
Oddishbestpkmn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't even know where to report to but I hate these commercials so much! Just what I need while driving a ton of steel at 60mph, a moment of panic while I frantically look to evade potential death.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TarMil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's stupid, surely horns in something that many people listen to while driving should be in the same category as yelling "fire" in a theater...
covert_operator100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What country/province/state are you living in?
SexualHowitzer ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:27:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont forge the Sirens! gotta love commercials with sirens!
Thiswasacouch ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:36:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1 877 Kars for kiiids
K-A-R-S cars for kiiiiids
Iceman_259 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:49:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fastest way to get me to change stations and eventually switch to Spotify.
trace_jax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the actual worst thing
StorkSlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how I see so much stuff replacing "c"s with "k"s, but never the opposite.
Kars for kids, but never anything like cars for cids.
erikwidi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Radio ad producers don't like that shit just as much as listeners don't like it. But when the out of touch 80 year old dealership owner is stuffing 40 grand down the station's throat, they won't argue with what the dealership owner wants to hear in his ads.
AustrianMichael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Phone ringing (or even worse, vibrating) is the absolute worst though.
Lars2_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or message tones. Damn they're annoying.
karrachr000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just get tired of the bullshit political ads... I drive for a minimum of an hour every day, and I have had to listen to the same piece of crap political ad at least 5 times per day, 5 days per week.
Dear radio manufacturers,
Many of us would love and pay for a radio in our car that mutes the radio automatically when commercials come on.
tachyon52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do not miss that crap on the radio. Ever since I discovered Spotify, I immediately paid for the premium version. No commercials and I can listen to almost any artist's albums. Premium Spotify for me equals no more radio and never buying a CD ever again.
groatt86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest is those 500 word a second legal warnings before/after a commercial. It sounds like a bee buzzing.
VoiceofKane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But "your local Montreal Mitsubishi dealer" is legit the catchiest thing I hear on the radio all day.
RicebinBernacky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree, sometimes these local ads even have sirens in them, completely ridiculous
SmaMan788 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone in central Oklahoma has probably heard Edmond Hyundai's ""jingle."" It's a chorus of people quickly singing in the highest, most obnoxious pitch: EDMOND HYUNDAI EDMOND HYUNDAI EDMOND HYUNDAI.
CanuckPanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting frustrated by some podcasts and their ads too. Some of my favourite podcasts have gone from 30 second ads to anywhere between 1-4 minutes.
No. I won't look at Linda.com, Harry's Razors, or Audible. No matter how many times you have to say that you and your wife love them.
BumblebeeCurdlesnoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. But at least I can mash the โskip ahead 15 secondsโ button to get past it. Not really possible while driving through so thatโs annoying.
The way they do them on No Such Thing as a Fish is a less annoying though.
ProbablyMisinformed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blue Apron, Audible and Casper FTW!
(at least they're easy to skip)
NoThisIsABadIdea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a jingle for a nut brand this morning that was incredibly suggestive talking about busting a nut and pleasuring yourself with the nuts and all that. Was funny the first time, but then I heard it 3 times in one 30 minutes drive and want them to die
Tripticket ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:33:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This episode of <obscure podcast> is brought to you by Audible. Our podcast is currently unfunded; please donate a buck a show. It's all we ask.
Karrion8 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:42:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't fault them for asking as I listen to their hard work for free.
puppiadog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:56:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The commenters in the post are so fckn entitled. "Ads suck", "we hate ads".
Podcasters: "We are starting a subscription for are podcasts"
Listeners: "Unsubscribed! They should work and entertain us for free!"
The ads are even skippable in podcasts.
Tripticket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To clarify, I was just making fun of how some shows say that they're unfunded while the episode you're listening to is sponsored.
It might be true, but it sounds ironic when played in succession.
UnrealRealityX ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:48:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Squarespace. They love advertising on podcasts.
Man, I love the 'skip ahead' button on my podcast player. Some stretches are 3+ minutes long of commercials. No thanks.
Mnm0602 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:10:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty funny when you learn how many clicks of the 15 second button it'll take as soon as an ad starts.
UnrealRealityX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I modified my button for a 40 second advance & 10 second rewind. Sometimes one hit does it, but other times it's 3-5 times. I'll take passive downloads like this versus services that force you to listen to it anyday.
SmaMan788 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This portion of the podcast is brought to you by Sqa---eh---some---low---but---and that's---4, 3---piece---act---can---why---isit today! Now back to our discussion about 'commercials' on Netflix?! Oh the humanity!"
Grimesy2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention Casper mattresses, Blue Apron, and Me Undies
UnrealRealityX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dang, how could I forget Casper?!
I guess they work in some respect. Here we are spouting off all the companies so success? But it still doesn't translate to me actually sending money their way for their products :)
theafonis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:45:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lazy, you literally listen for free
Tripticket ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:50:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I'm poking fun at.
I think it sounds funny to say "yo, we were sponsored by some big organization, but we're also unfunded".
It might be technically true, but when you put them next to each other like that, it doesn't sound very sympathetic.
GuyWith3Testicles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What podcast do you listen to where they say theyโre unfunded but list sponsors?
endlesscartwheels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The line "a buck a show. It's all we ask," sounds like the Dan Carlin podcasts (Hardcore History and Common Sense). His commercials for Audible are worth listening to though, because he recommends specific books.
Peopleschamp305 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was my first thought too, and those shows are epics anyway that are more than worth a dollar a show even with the audible sponsorship. I've given them plenty of money and it's been unbelievably worth it
Tripticket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Secret History of Western Esotericism Podcast. Although to be fair, they list their sponsor at the start and tell you they're unfunded at the end (or vice versa, I don't recall), but if you're playing several episodes after each other you will hear these two statements after each other.
PheerthaniteX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think I know what podcast you're talking about and I can't even complain about the audible plug. Dude puts out a 6 hour super informative show with one ad read at the end of the show and nothing in the middle. That's pretty impressive
e22ddie46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like dan carlin
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Tripticket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I wasn't actually referencing his show, only using the last statement as a depiction of shows that ask for donations. I don't think Dan Carlin claims his show is unfunded, but I might be wrong.
mrbananabladder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:40:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Squarespace! The market of people who need their own website must be so much larger than I would've guessed.
alaricus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably more than can make use of Zip Recruiter
UnknownBinary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This program is underwritten by..."
nintendomech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like XM is โcommercial freeโ load of horse shit.
Barnacle-bill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sponsored by NordVpn
YoGirlMyBad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lookin at you Sirius xm
clueless_as_fuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"And next, news, brought to you by the hour every hour by <corporate sponsor> "
vicewave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs why itโs a โtriple shotโ now
Glowing_bubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are watching MTV (0 music content)
You are watching History (naked and afraid)
You are watching etc etc etc
vargo17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The hourly station identifier is actually federally mandated by the FCC. So since they have to interrupt your music anyways they announce a sponsor as well.
DGMrKong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercials and mentioning a sponsor are two very different things. They have to pull in money though advertising somehow, that's the only way they can operate. Luckily some companies will pay enough money to keep the show operating, for simply mentioning their name. So when they say โYouโre listening to a commercial free hour brought to you by <corporate sponsor>โ, they mean your getting a few small 10 second ads instead of 5 minute breaks every 10 minutes.
Nothing is free. If you really want music with no interruptions at all, then your going to have to pay. Someone always has to pay, and if someone else is paying for you then they are going to want a shout-out which is exactly what this is. It's just a shout-out.
Simpleton216 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DC 101, 5min of ads for every song.
farmerjohncheese ยท 477 points ยท Posted at 15:16:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they legally have to air their station identifiers every so often.
itsthevoiceman ยท 413 points ยท Posted at 15:38:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Radio/Broadcast major here, it's every hour, per legal requirement.
However, they do it more often because it increases retention.
farmerjohncheese ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:43:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that sounds about right. I'm sure that helps drive people to their website and social media outlets, too.
itsthevoiceman ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:46:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly it keeps them coming back. But what you've mentioned is now becoming more prevalent.
Excal2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still listen to my old college radio station because they live stream everything and have old broadcasts, I love it. They've got shows that are thematically interesting and the presenters are inexperienced but really creative and engaging because they love doing it.
itsthevoiceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:49 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Send them an email, call, or hit up their social media and let them know how much you enjoy their work. They likely don't get much feedback, and it really helps.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:03 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On my to do list for tomorrow, thanks for the heads up.
Iambecomelumens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That seems counterintuitive to me, how's that work? Interruptions lead to higher retention?
itsthevoiceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:39 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratings and listen time (measured and calculated over decades) indicate how people are going to listen.
Radio listeners are a captive audience, mostly in cars. And to keep people engaged, they've figured out when people are listening and for how long, and how to incorporate advertisements and branding.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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itsthevoiceman ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 15:54:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FCC regulations.
Since terrestrial radio is broadcast to the public, it's got more regulations than internet radio. Essentially, the radio companies that are broadcasting are renting the bandwidth from the government, and they have to follow the government's rules how to use that utility.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:02:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Sik_Against ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:18:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The FCC makes radio stations declare their ID so people can report the station to the authorities in case of a violation such as overpowered signal or interference, and also banned content I suppose, as the specific frequency can be shared by many stations in different parts of the country. It basically declares responsibility over that certain broadcast and that you're complying with the regulations, something like a ban on covering your face in security-sensitive places: Not that they absolutely need to see your face, but you would only need to cover it (not identify your station) if you were going to do something illegal.
Besides, it lets people whose radio receiver doesn't have a screen know what they're listening to
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GulagArpeggio ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:38:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You start to hear it in your tea kettle.
Skadwick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahah, I had something similar happen. I used to skype with an ex back in college, and I was picking up some station via my headphone wires. It fucking creeped me out until I could tell what it was.
Just-For-Porn-Gags ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remember those old school rf wireless headphones from the early 2000s?
I was using those to watch tv late at night and all of a sudden I could hear loud screams. I was picking up my neighbour's porn
SmaMan788 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was more a problem back in the early days of radio when stations would literally try to drown each other out by overpowering their towers. It got to where it was impossible to reliably tune into anything, so that's when the government stepped in.
Today, with a more defined AM/FM spectrum, (not to mention, streaming) everyone can easily keep to their own part of your radio dial.
Sik_Against ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For example, when you're trying to listen to a certain station and you hear a different one because they are overpowering their signal. It is mainly not a problem nowadays.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna assume most of this is designed to prevent pirate radio since apparently all laws in America are designed to protect intellectual property.
EDIT: I meant this in the context of artists not getting paid royalties for their work being broadcast over a pirate radio broadcast, not that I think radio stations downloading songs illegally turns them into pirate stations. I don't know all that much about radio though so I don't actually know if that's how artists get paid for their songs being on the radio.
joyofsteak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...thatโs not what pirate radio means, or even comes close to referring to.
Excal2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought pirate radio consisted of unlicensed broadcasts, can you explain where I'm wrong here?
GuudeSpelur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're correct in that pirate radio is unlicensed radio, but it has nothing to do with intellectual property. A pirate station doesn't have to interact with copyrighted materials at all. It could just be a guy ranting about how chemtrails are turning the frogs gay.
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I guess I just assumed that the problem was with artists not getting paid for content being broadcast over pirate radio.
GuudeSpelur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In most countries the radio frequencies are considered public property, so you have to get a license from the government to use it. If you broadcast without such a license (or broadcast outside the terms of your license), you are a pirate station (because you're "stealing" the frequency).
Oftentimes said stations do play unlicensed music, but it could also just be people with too much time and a broadcast antenna having some fun talking about conspiracy theories, foreign propaganda, censored material, or anything else really.
luke_in_the_sky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not always it's crazy guy yelling. In my city there was a music station complete with ads and shit. They bought a small station but were using the installations to operate on a different band closer to the popular stations. They were classified as pirate because they had no license to operate two stations and were fined and closed.
YUNoDie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate radio has nothing to do with intellectual property. Pirate radio is broadcasting without permission from the FCC. If I play an illegally downloaded song on a normal radio station, that is not "pirate radio." If I set up a radio transmitter (of a certain power, I'm not sure how strong it has to be) and start broadcasting whatever the hell I feel like without telling the FCC I'm doing it, that is "pirate radio."
Total-Annihilation ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:13:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So people can call the FCC with frequency and four-letter identifiers when a rule-breaking event happens, I would imagine. Maybe that way they don't have to pay government employees to do it?
spaceRangerRob ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:11:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the answer he gave is the equivalent of "because they said so."
OlbapNamles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but he wanted to know why they said so
spaceRangerRob ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spent the last 10 minutes trying to find out for you, but seriously the best answer I can find is "because." It's required because it's required. The FCC will fine you if you don't. Sorry, I couldn't help more. Best I can do is speculate that before the internet and tv this requirement was set up so that people could identify what they were listening to and so that they could identify unlicensed broadcasters.
OlbapNamles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough i guess it is just because
geeky_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably "More than once an hour is annoying, less isn't enough"
SolomonBlack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just to blindly speculate ever use a radio without a digital display?
Ever thus been unsure what precisely what station you were actually listening too?
Used to be a lot more common back in the day too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I haven't listened to the radio in 5+ years and forgot about the old ones.
I'm amazed so many people still listen to it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So that anyone listening on the channel knows what they're listening to. Otherwise, how would you know who's broadcasting?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tylermchenry ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:19:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It shows the frequency that you are tuned to, but not necessarily the name of the station that is broadcasting on that frequency.
There's certainly not a 1:1 mapping of stations to frequencies. Obviously the same frequency can carry different stations in different areas, but also the same station can be carried on different frequencies in different areas. And depending on where you are, all of these conditions can overlap.
CMDR_Shazbot ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:17:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Radio is an old, old method of communication/broadcasting. You cannot expect everyone to have digital displays when using radio.
shitpersonality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not about the frequrncy, it is about identifying who is using the frequency.
CMDR_Shazbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I HAM!
shitpersonality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Noice!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. I forgot about the old dial ones where you couldn't see the exact channel you were on.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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CMDR_Shazbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:48 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'll hunt ya down too if you're pirate broadcasting, HAM folks love that shit.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It'll show you the frequency but not the broadcaster.
ndstumme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:34:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And yet when you live on the edge of two stations that broadcast on the same frequency, then how are you to know which one you're listening to? For example KQQL 107.9 out of Anoka, Minnesota and KFMW 107.9 out of Waterloo, Iowa.
There's a big stretch of I35 just north of the state border that overlaps the two.
fdafdasfdasfdafdafda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
terrestrial radio makes it sound so cool
mikaelgour ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not every radio receiver has a screen. And even when then do, some old receiver will only show the frequency and not the name of the station. In addition nobody complains about it so that old regulation does not change.
remasus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the exact frequency is pretty arbitrary.
Do_your_homework ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the radio its because if you have a signal interfering with yours (ie broadcasting on the wrong frequency) then the identifier helps fix the issue.
mega_madoka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it's so that if you're driving the freeway system and you don't know where you are, you know you can tune into any station at a specific time and find out. It's mostly a holdout from the pre-gps days but it might still be helpful to people. (Source: I dj at a radio station)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. I imagined it was some kind of holdout from the years past.
Shawnj2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some older radios donโt have screens, just a dial for the frequency.
pyronius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arbitrary decision?
Playing it every hour isn't a major imposition. Playing it only once a day is pretty pointless. Playing it multiple times every hour is a waste of valuable air time.
If the goal is to make sure that listeners know what they're listening to, then once an hour is a frequency where most people would probably hear it.
rangeDSP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to some redditor, it's to help pilots navigate:
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/316fq9/eli5_why_do_talk_radio_shows_pause_10_seconds_for/cpys1nf
deekster_caddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When the laws about hourly identification were created, radios didn't have screens. It may be outdated now, but the laws are still on the books. Source: I used to have a car radio you tuned by dialing a knob and often had only a vague idea of where I was on the range. Just GIS "old car radio"
Nehalennian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you know the answer to this since it's related to your work! What is the reasoning behind the law requiring them to do this?
fondots ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not the guy you're asking, but different stations can broadcast on the same frequencies, so 102.9MHz FM might be used by a classic rock station in Philly under the callsign WMGK, but across the country in CA another station might be broadcasting on that same frequency. There's (more than) enough distance between the two of them that under normal conditions I'd never be able to pick up the CA station in Philly. But if for some reason I start picking up a lot of interference from that other station in Philly, I have it's callsign to report it to the FCC so they can investigate WTF is going on.
Or if I turn on my radio and just hear someone yelling "FUCK" into the mic for 3 hours with no identification, I can report that to the FCC. They'll look up all the stations licensed to use that frequency, and either find that some disgruntled employee barricaded himself in the control room to do that and they'll ivestigate and issue the appriate fines and such, or they'll discover that there's a pirate station operating somewhere on that frequency and start tracking them down.
Nehalennian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay that definitely helps me understand why there would be a law, thanks.
president2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus itโs a place where they can later sell an ad instead of a self promotion and the regular listener wonโt know the difference.
itsthevoiceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:49 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's possible. And if that happens, then it's best to vote with your wallet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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itsthevoiceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:07 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. The radio edit is because they only have so much time in a 15 minute block, which is where terrestrial radio lives. And the imaging (branding) or talking over the song is to keep the audience's attention.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, once per hour is one thing, my local radio stations do it pretty much after every third song.
itsthevoiceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's essentially every 15 minutes, including songs and ads. Most audiences will turn off after 5 unless their attention is maintained.
immerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, a lesser known FCC requirement is that they use a gruff male voice to do it, that they include sound effects, and that they remind you it's the "power hour", if that is what in fact the hour is. Internet bullshitter here.
itsthevoiceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:27 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
I've actually spent time doing that for my college radio station. The gruff voice is authoritative, and the SFX is attention grabbing, but also fun to play with.
immerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sigh
spread_thin ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 15:22:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they legally have to air an advertisement as often.
farmerjohncheese ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:27:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, definitely not the ads. But the clips like "You're listening to WROX 95.7!" have to be aired regularly.
FaxCelestis ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are required to identify the station by call letters, frequency, and broadcast stations ("KGO 810, San Francisco, Santa Clara, and Burlingame") at the top of the hour. Anything else is extraneous.
farmerjohncheese ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:40:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool cool. I only have a passing knowledge since my only source is that I have a friend who works in radio. They had mentioned at one point the station can get in trouble if they don't air it.
JazzSM ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:32:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only on the top of the hour
lidsville76 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Minimum at the top of every hour. FCC regulations and such.
mk2vrdrvr ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:29:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc they are obligated to announce what station you are listening to once every hour or so.
Info here
"THE LEGAL ID
The FCC requires all stations to identify themselves in this specific way. Called the Legal ID, it must be played during a natural break as close to the top of the hour as possible. Within five minutes on either side of the hour is generally acceptable. You may either say it live or play a liner from AudioVault. (You will be trained in all aspects of operating AudioVault during your air-studio training.) The FCC stipulates that the proper legal ID will have the stationโs call letters followed by its city of license. Our Legal ID is: โWKNC Raleigh.โ
You are permitted to insert the stationโs frequency in between its call letters and city of license, meaning โWKNC-FM Raleighโ and โWKNC 88.1 FM Raleighโ are also acceptable. You are NOT allowed to insert any other information in between WKNC and Raleigh. This means โWKNC 88.1 FM,โ โWKNC in Raleigh,โ โWKNC The Revolution Raleighโ and โ88.1 KNCโ are not legal IDs. You may put whatever you want before or after it, but every legal ID must contain โWKNC Raleigh.โ Consistent failure to do a proper legal ID will lead to your suspension, and, depending on the blatancy of the infractions, could lead to your dismissal."
Yes-nt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know why? Iโm curious...
Sik_Against ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:22:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Copying my previous comment:
The FCC makes radio stations declare their ID so people can report the station to the authorities in case of a violation such as overpowered signal or interference, and also banned content I suppose, as the specific frequency can be shared by many stations in different parts of the country. It basically declares responsibility over that certain broadcast and that you're complying with the regulations, something like a ban on covering your face in security-sensitive places: Not that they absolutely need to see your face, but you would only need to cover it (not identify your station) if you were going to do something illegal.
Besides, it lets people whose radio receiver doesn't have a screen know what they're listening to
mk2vrdrvr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Info here
"THE LEGAL ID
The FCC requires all stations to identify themselves in this specific way. Called the Legal ID, it must be played during a natural break as close to the top of the hour as possible. Within five minutes on either side of the hour is generally acceptable. You may either say it live or play a liner from AudioVault. (You will be trained in all aspects of operating AudioVault during your air-studio training.) The FCC stipulates that the proper legal ID will have the stationโs call letters followed by its city of license. Our Legal ID is: โWKNC Raleigh.โ
You are permitted to insert the stationโs frequency in between its call letters and city of license, meaning โWKNC-FM Raleighโ and โWKNC 88.1 FM Raleighโ are also acceptable. You are NOT allowed to insert any other information in between WKNC and Raleigh. This means โWKNC 88.1 FM,โ โWKNC in Raleigh,โ โWKNC The Revolution Raleighโ and โ88.1 KNCโ are not legal IDs. You may put whatever you want before or after it, but every legal ID must contain โWKNC Raleigh.โ Consistent failure to do a proper legal ID will lead to your suspension, and, depending on the blatancy of the infractions, could lead to your dismissal."
work_account23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my pilot friend told me about the requirement...so something to do with planes maybe?
I would guess in case of a crash and you pick up a station you can tell where you are? But what the fuck do i know
mk2vrdrvr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is you friend Ken M?
work_account23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i fucking wish
Do_your_homework ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once an hour.
hybridfrost ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 15:17:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: Even traffic reports are advertisements, so you can't get away from them. They often say something like, "This traffic report brought to you by...".
KalessinDB ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:44:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's so minor I have no issue with it personally. But the endless "You're listening to..." stuff somehow strikes me differently
Itchylung ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can get out of hand though...
This traffic report brought to you by Acme...
This traffic report brought to you by Acme, Founded by John acme in 1940....
This traffic report brought to you by Acme, Founded by John Acme in 1940. A company that always offers excellence!
This traffic report brought to you by Acme, Founded by John Acme in 1940. A company that always offers excellence! Stop by now and receive 2 products for the cost of 1 when you order in bulk!
thegreatgazoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they have helicopters in the air that gets expensive quick.
Some of them are even naming the studio. "From the Dewey, cheatam and Howe studios, more repeats of the same 5 songs."
PlagueDrsWOutBorders ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:18:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know the laws on this, but we were told at my college radio station that we had to identify or play a station ID commercial once every 30 minutes or so per FCC regulations or something to that effect.
SkywalterDBZ ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:26:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The requirement is every hour, so they could have an uninterrupted 58 or so minutes and give them time for their call sign and whatever else they throw in there.
immerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a university radio station do it to the letter of the law and interrupt for exactly 5 seconds to say, in a completely normal tone of voice with no sound effects: "This is VNEY, 99.3 FM"
SkywalterDBZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen it done. Usually that kind of college has a HAM radio club. I got my license due to my college having a HAM radio class while I had no interest in using it outside that, most people were only doing call signs as little as possible. Once every 10 minutes almost on the dot for non-radio and once on the hour on the dot for radio.
SilasX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a requirement that the self-identification be so annoying and self-promotional?
YouClaimToBeAPlayer ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I think that's perfectly fine. There's a station around me that has 55 minutes of songs per hour, every hour. And they hold to that. I'm okay with very literally 10 seconds in between songs on a service that's free and convenient.
ReadAsSarcasm ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:32:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo! It's FREE! If a local radio or broadcast TV station that I don't pay a dime for wants to air a commercial, more power to them. They got bills to pay and I'm obviously not going to pay it.
The problem is when the customer pays a premium for the service and they still put in the commercials. We pay so there aren't commercials.
I dropped both Sirius/XM and cable when it hit me how much I was paying to listen or watch commercials. I'll drop Netflix in an instant if they decide to force commercials on to me. There's plenty of other streaming service, maybe not as large, that'll happily take my $12 a month instead.
gburgwardt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sirius is a scam anyway, and harasses the fuck out of people who buy cars.
9lives9inches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:05 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is crazy. I wonder how that makes sense from a business standpoint. You would think they would be operating on way smaller profit margins than the radio stations that play full length ads. Are most of the sponsors local companies?
YouClaimToBeAPlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:16 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly local places, yeah, plus, because of this business model, they've actually become one of the most popular stations in the area, almost overnight (I think it was founded less than a year ago). It's a top 40 station, and I know that at least two other top 40 stations had to revamp and change styles (one's an adult contempo, one's a classic pop station).
Helps that it's very literally one guy running the whole thing (to my knowledge). Pay for the studio and basically every thing after that is profit.
9lives9inches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:01 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty cool. It gives me hope when someone breaks such a well established industry standard to provide a better product to consumers, and still manages to be successful.
Salaundre ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:30:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Station Identification is not a commercial. They are required by Law to identify them selves and it is more like every 5th song. Its about every 15 to 30 minutes.
System0verlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's once an hour per the FCC
Salaundre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:41 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK cool, Thanks.
CrustyBuns16 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:26:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea cause that 5 seconds of identifying their station of which they're legally obligated REALLY ticks me off
Karlature ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FCC requires station identify themselves every so often, so its a necessity
Xelopheris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Three reasons why they do this:
The-IT-Hermit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but radio stations are free to listen to.
GrognaktheLibrarian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they have to say the station name every so often as a legal requirement for some reason.
Lord_ThunderCunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
THIS POWER PLAY BROUGHT TO YOU BY BRIDGESTONE TIRES!
Yea, no, this power play was brought to me by the the guy who can't keep his fucking stick on the ice.
44 days 6 hours 43 minutes until NHL regular season starts!
stomppad12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just straight gaslighting. Although, radio stations are required by the FCC to identify themselves every 30 minutes. What youre hearing are tags, W at the beginning is for East coast US, and K is for the West coast.at certain points in the day, they will identify where their broadcast station is located, as well as they are required to announce weather updates, storm emergency warnings. There are a few other things that I am forgetting I think. But yeah unfortunately no FM or AM radio station can be just straight music even if they wanted to.
System0verlord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's once per hour, not per half hour.
TrialAndAaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know that's a cliche but they really hardly do that
NCHappyDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is even true for SiriusXM now too. Theyโre NOT required to ID every hour.
slightlydirtythroway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I fucking hate it there too
Invisifly2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Legally they actually have to broadcast what station they are at set intervals.
yes_its_him ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's way different than that.
Neflix even said so!
GuyOthersome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Station IDs are mandatory, though most of the ones I hear are JUST the station ID. At least on the two stations I still listen to, when they do "commercial-free X minutes", they only say who the sponsor is at the beginning.
vunderbra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
NPR is the worst at this.
Flatlandcavalry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I havenโt listened to the radio in years.
Vslacha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โCommercial is not commercialโ - Netflix
muzumuzu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE 2-HOUR MEGAMIX! TWO HOURS OF TOTALLY UNINTERRUPTED..."
"Bitch, you're interrupting it right now, wtf!"
JuMbo_ShRiMpYs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Station Identification is mandated by FCC in the US.
nigelfitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why I don't listen to radio.
Plus fuck radio stations.
copycy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my... I was literally listening the radio meanwhile reading this post, and when I read your comment... one ad! They are watching us
ClikeX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ClikeX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like NPR constantly shilling Trello and Audible?
BreadForAll2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt it weird how corporations can just say something and in the corporate world itโs true
taliesin-ds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is this classical radio station that has like a 3 minute segment of an annoying guy shouting why their station is so great because they don't talk but just do music non stop....
intellos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually an FCC requirement.
Well, not all the sound effects and shit, but radio stations are required to announce themselves on a regular basis, about every 15 minutes iirc.
MikeyFED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Baltimore they have WTMD 8.97 Listener supported radio.
It rocks.
But oh my god when they have fund drives I want to kill myself.
But without it I would be hearing Mr. TIRE commercials so whatever.
logicalmaniak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"We don't do adverts! Please donate..." - Wikipedia via massive popup advert.
pappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the US, radio stations are required by the FCC to do station identifications every hour. And if they use repeater stations to extend their signals, those stations must be identified several times per day, too. They have to say the station's call letters and their city of license, but usually add additional information about their station, and may even promote a radio program because they're being forced to take this break from regular programming. The same is true of over-the-air TV stations. It's usually pre-recorded and can end up being filler played more often when there are gaps.
pencil-thin-mustache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โYouโre listing to 10 songs commercial free!!โ - DJ who proceeds to talk for 6 minutes about nonsense
The_MAZZTer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair they are required to identify themselves every X minutes by law or something. IIRC.
Brock_Samsonite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
O O O. O'Reillllyyyyyyy!
Auto Parts
Freshness518 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of that is FCC regulations though. A radio station has to do a certain number of frequency and call letters ID's every hour by law.
tokengaymusiccritic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone in radio: we usually play our ID sweepers because a lot of people flip around and don't know what station they're on. Plus, radio advertising is dying so we're really trying to direct people to our online content anyway.
YZBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear all the radio stations go to commercial breaks at the same time to make station flipping a useless endeavor.
turbomuffler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I canceled SiriusXM
Squeegee_House ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's required by law that a radio station broadcasts it's station name every so often.
shittyshittymorph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have to ID themselves every hour.
Grimesy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's an FCC requirement to tell you what channel/program you're listening to every so many minutes.
FlimsySuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but thats free, and understandable.
Netflix is a service I pay for, with the understanding that I will not see commercials.
seattledreamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are required by law from the FCC to broadcast their radio station ID, or callsign, every 10 minutes. Their little blurb is for compliance, though definitely used for a bit of advertising.
Binarytobis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hearing commercials about how the radio station isnโt airing commercials in between each song is the worst.
See also: NPRโs year-long pledge drive to โraise money to decrease the length of the next pledge driveโ.
Langloute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt know what youโre talking about
nowhereian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In case you forgot, you're still listening to [Station]!
macgarthur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate this as well. Just because you didn't stop what you're currently doing and air an advertisement doesn't meant that by bringing it up "organically" in the conversation doesn't count as an advertisement. As long as you're being paid mention the product, such as with new Zero Coke that's is the same flavor as your beloved Coca-Cola Classic but with zero sugar and half the calories doesn't mean it isn't a advertisement.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an Uber commercial while in an Uber last night. This is probably the only brief period in world history in which you can hear an ad for internet services on conventional radio.
Falco98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In contrast - Sirius/XM radio does intermitten inter-channel promotions between songs occasionally, and you know what? I couldn't care less. They're totally reasonable, and infrequent enough that I consider them to be good-faith suggestions, unlike terrestrial radio which crams loud, super obnoxious commercials down your throat for 5 minute stretches after every second song.
VectorCorrector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a requirement by the FCC that anyone broadcasting radio identify themselves at set intervals, it may be 15 minutes.
dell44223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, they're required to do station identification every once and awhile, just not that often!
awitcheskid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have to do that by law. Blame the FCC.
luke_in_the_sky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or cable tv channels that are so small that don't have any ads but they fill their programming with their own ads anyway
FuzzyYogurtcloset ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:52:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, VCPR is an advertising free zone, much like the moon or Time Square.
awitcheskid ยท 2165 points ยท Posted at 13:31:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We as consumers need to collectively bitch about this. If we don't let them know this is not okay, before we know it, Netflix will be as bad as Comcast.
ReliablyFinicky ยท 1173 points ยท Posted at 13:43:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix doesn't give a shit about what people say; they care what people do with their money. If everyone complains "oh I don't like commercials" but keeps giving them money, they won't go away.
Vote with your wallet. The minute you see an advertisement, cancel your subscription.
jej218 ยท 288 points ยท Posted at 14:29:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get Netflix free with my cell provider though, so I can't really do much but complain.
chefwithpants ยท 773 points ยท Posted at 14:33:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Destroy your phone. That will show Netflix who theyโre messing with
Wildpants17 ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 14:52:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and then burn your wallet. Then they will know for sure we mean business. They will have no choice but to stop all this nonsense
PropositionJoe_ ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:12:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! And send me nudes! That'll show them you're not one to be trifled with!!
Dr_Karmatology ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:43:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting proposition Joe
PropositionJoe_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All in the game
StevieWonder420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:52 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn I was 12 hours too late
piccolo1337 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats him FBI
PropositionJoe_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm super into FBI nudes as well
SnortWhoresFuckCoke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, give me your wallet and I'll burn it.
seanpeery ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If that doesn't work, gouge out your own eyes with a rusty spoon. Then they'll realize what a mistake they've made.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads on Netflix?
That's it, capitalism is OVER!
yunabladez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"When Netflix gives you commercials, don't just tolerate them. Make Netflix take the commercials back! Get mad! I don't want your damn commercials, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see Netflix's manager! Make Netflix rue the day it thought it could give you commercials! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the commercials! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible commercial stunt that burns your house down!"
kdeltar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes me think of that jump for trump thing way back
Yamkelaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. My upvote was number 420.
emailrob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a Note 8. Problem solved.
Stewardy ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:06:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell your cell provider that you'd like to switch that subscription for another if they offer any.
Or simply that you feel the value of your subscription has decreased because of actions taken by Netflix. Depending on where you are and what company it is, they might give you a discount - but either way if enough people make similar complaints, they'll have to raise the issue with Netflix.
DarkVoid20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk about him but my cell provider (tmobile) has like a contract or something with netflix so if you have a tmobile line you have netflix as well
CarpeNivem ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really though?
By which I mean, does your cell provider offer a cheaper plan which doesn't "include Netflix for free"?
thebrickgrinder ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:36:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure he got it in a T-Mobile promotion and got it free for a year.
Alexlam24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Included with family plan
hiddenflames5462 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Change providers and send a video of you burning your old phone.
Brosama220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just downvite shows when you see ads in them, let them know it ruines your user experience
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just in case no one has said, you don't. It's built into the cost of your plan.
jej218 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This plan was the best value for my family regardless of free Netflix. So, for all intents and purposes, I get it free.
Chezni19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sure? I have been living fine with a samsung flip phone. (really)
jazzwhiz ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:45:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right because after years of actually doing this to cable companies, they have changed so many of their policies.
NullOfUndefined ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 14:57:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Younger people have been cancelling / never signing up for cable, but there's still several generations of people who consume TV as their primary entertainment. So as of yet there's been no need to change their policies. Eventually that won't be the case, but I'm sure by then all the streaming services will be just as bad, so it'll be the same policy, different platform. It's already happening.
Years ago Netflix had tons of movies and shows. Then networks started making their own streaming services, and pulled their content from Netflix. They they started putting in ads on top of a monthly fee.
Now some services (like hulu) let you pay to add on other streaming services to their platform, and show ads (you can pay to get rid of SOME of them, but ones for add-on services still run)
And with the destruction of Net Neutrality, it's not a huge leap to say that ISPs will start providing their own streaming services that aggregate the other ones, and take a cut.
Basically, since the internet is owned by the people that own cable, and the protections to regulate the internet as a utility instead of a service are gone, when cable dies (and I do believe it's a when), the internet will already be in it's place.
All of this is just speculation.
tacocharleston ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would net neutrality affect what you mentioned? They could do that no matter what.
GamingMessiah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can fastlane their own aggregate streaming services and then show you as many ads as they want. If it took an extra 5 minutes of buffering on Netflix but Comcast stream showed 4 minutes of commercials, who would you choose? They both suck, but they hold the power.
tacocharleston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another service provider. NN kills competition. That's the real point of it.
NullOfUndefined ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basically without net neutrality an ISP could block all streaming services unless it came through their stream aggregator. Something like โwant access to Netflix, Disney, and Cartoon Network streams? Youโll need to sign up for the Comcast Premium Streaming Package.โ
Doing that is illegal under net neutrality, but without NN, it can (and imo likely will) happen. With NN they can still make an aggregator app, but they cant block directly going to Netflix.
tacocharleston ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:45:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But no NN means competition, so you could go with someone else for your access.
NullOfUndefined ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In theory yes, but in practice there is very little competition between ISPs in a given area. You get one choice, maybe two if youโre lucky. Itโs based entirely on where you live too. The market is too filled with the existing providers, so there really isnโt room for much competition. Thatโs why NN existed, because the internet is way more like a utility than a product.
tacocharleston ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:04:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And why is there only one option in practice?
Why is internet access better and cheaper in Korea with no net neutrality rules?
Letting the cable providers make the rules is why we're here. Monopoly via regulation is a real problem.
NullOfUndefined ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs only one option in practice because most people in the US have only one provider in their area, so the option is either have internet or donโt.
Also NN isnโt anti competition. ISPs can still compete, just not in delivered content. Korea has faster speeds than us because their ISPs prioritized speed as a means to compete with each other. ISPs in the US can do that too. They could improve their networks and offer greater speeds, but they donโt, because they donโt need to, because most of their customers are geographically locked to one provider.
tacocharleston ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They were supposed to provide higher speeds and greater access. NY State is suing one of them right now for failing at that.
How can they get away with that? They certainly could install better infrastructure, but they have no incentive to do so since they choked out the competition long ago.
The big deal about net neutrality is that it guaranteed continued monopolies for incumbents with a massive barrier to entry for any competitors. Yet, they've attempted to fool us with this narrative about network priority being the huge deal. While not entirely untrue, why don't we see Charter fighting it, which should in theory be against their own interests? It's a good move, people get all upset about their Netflix while the corporations get to protect their interests and have no need to spend any money on upgrades because there's no competition anyways.
It's basically a cartel that locked down the market for as long as that regulation was in place. If costs to be a provider are high, only very large companies can be solvent, which means nobody can even begin to compete. Ultimately that means price locking and few upgrades, nothing is going to happen until high speed wireless tech is a real threat to the cable companies. Hell in some places prices have risen, since as you said there's no competition.
Contrary to what you said, NN is explicitly anti competition. Look into its effects a bit, that's really the main outcome of it.
It's interesting that Cisco opposed net neutrality, particularly if you know their market and history.
SnortWhoresFuckCoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 21 and I exclusively watch everything on my PC, unless people are over. In that case, I have my TV connected to my PC with a HDMI switcher so I can freely put everything on what we want to watch.
It's the freedom that draws me in. The freedom to watch what you want, as long as it's on some streaming platform. I've been ripping box sets and movies and putting them on my Plex server in the last few months, and my family are all watching things on there now too. I can watch ads if I have to, I just go on my phone for that time. But, if I don't have the freedom to watch what I want when I want, then I'm not paying for it.
Hulu is a great platform, but expensive. The fact that you can add live TV if you want as well as additional packages make it something that more people enjoy.
XanXic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cable/internet access is a pretty well known monopoly.
Streaming services are not. Netflix's whole model is based on gaining subscribers. They'll pay attention if they loose them.
Wakkajabba ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just keep shoveling your money into it then.
beardedheathen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:24:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly this. I don't care about Netflix enough to put up with this. If I start setting ads you can bet my subscription is being cancelled. Just make sure you let them know that is why you've cancelled.
NeDragons ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I hate is the fact that you purchase a subscription to avoid ads, and a few years later they add ads somwhow forgetting their biggest selling point is ad free movies/shows.
We need to remind them of this
Crockett62 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they also didnt care that people hate the autoplay trailer thingy โfeatureโ
the_north_place ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been too busy living my life, also I've found a ton of content I like on youtube. I've barely watched netflix in months.
Non_vulgar_account ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Consumer โthereโs nothing to watch on Netflixโ
Netflix โlet me play a clip of some other content we have you may enjoy to let you see if you like it since you canโt find anything to watchโ
Consumer โY U SHOW ME ADS! ME NO LIKEY ADS, NETFLIX LITERALLY SATAN aka COMCASTโ
ReliablyFinicky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your sentence would make sense if:
Your sentence makes no sense because:
GamingMessiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People don't like being told what to do. There are people who would rather jump off a cliff en masse rather than listen to someone trying to help them. Normal Ads and these Netflix "preview clips" are just more of companies telling you what to do. Even if you'll enjoy it, you don't want to hear it.
ReadItWithSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They care about what people say with their checkbooks.
Roro1982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shareholders. Netflix evaluation is insane....they have to keep coming up with new ways to monetize.
bopjick1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Similar to RS3 with all their mtx. Unfortunately no one ever works together to vote with their wallet and nothing ever changes.
iner22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I did when they cancelled Sense8 on a cliffhanger, and they brought it back for a finale.
f_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mountains of complaints can get through to a company if it thinks those complaints are heading in the direction of lots of lost customers. It's still a decision about money, but it's a decision about potential lost money as well as the current state of affairs.
LaLaLaLeea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you guys remember Quikster or whatever they called it? Netflix announced they were splitting their streaming and DVDs into two separate entities and renaming one of them with dumbest name they could have possibly come up with. A ton of people canceled and they came back like a week later and went "ok we won't do that then".
RedditPeopleSocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This generation is stupified with waging war from their keyboards. Send and email to acchieve world peace mindset. Is like they are still asking their parents to do things for them.
Guess what? You actually have to do something for something to change. Money has always been the final judge of all companies, past and future. Vote with your wallet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol at "Netflix doesn't give a shit about what people say" is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen get upvoted here. Obviously it comes down to voting with your wallet but "what people say" is their pr and most of their advertising. "What people say" = why netflix got so big spreading with word of mouth. Everyone complaining is as important as a very miniscule number of redditers who practice conspicuous consumption canceling there subscription. Getting the word out is priority #1 if you actually want to have an impact.
HoaryPuffleg ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 15:20:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cancelled my subscription yesterday because of this and sent an email about why I did it. I know that I only pay something like $8.99 a month to be able to bingewatch shows but frankly, I don't need to watch Friends or Parks and Rec again and I only do that because I like having something on in the background while I'm doing other stuff. They started playing ads for other shows after each episode and making me then restart my show. It's annoying and now how I want to use my time.
My point is that bitching isn't enough. They'll notice if 5% of their customers unsubscribe in the next week but not much else.
Svinkta ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:12:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just cancelled :)
PandaReich ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:07:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Companies really don't give a shit about what people think, I mean look at EA. One of the most hated companies, but they still pull shit like microtransactions in games because, even though people bitch about it, they still pay for it.
Vote with you wallet because that's the only thing companies care about.
emailrob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'Enough' people people don't care about it. That's the difference.
If half their subscriber base was up in arms, signed a petition to say they will cancel service, you're damn right they'd listen.
MarioKartGuy27 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ads are what drive me to get signed up for a VPN and start downloading my shows again... Fuck. Ads.
piccolo1337 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you are paying for a monthly vpn i would suggest windscribe. they almost always offer lifetime subscription for 35$ on some websites and the vpn works well
darexinfinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So where do you go from here?
HoaryPuffleg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have access to a great library system and I don't need Netflix in my life. Plus, there are still other ways to distract myself like music :-)
BarneyChampaign ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I called and said Iโd stop paying and move onto something else if ads become a thing on paid accounts.
It took 10 minutes and certainly doesnโt hurt to try, so I encourage everyone who would be dissatisfied with this to do the same.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:02:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Mr_GigglesworthJr ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:37:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm starting to feel like the golden age of legally streaming content is coming to an end. The major studios have now all realized the future of distribution is online and they seriously undervalued the content they were providing to Netflix.
They have made it harder and harder for 3rd party platforms like Netflix to air the studiosโ content while they prioritize their own steaming platforms. This is forcing Netflix to spend loads of money to essentially become its own studio to fill the content gap. Ads are one way of offsetting these costs and with Hulu already having success with ads and offering a more expensive ad free platform, it makes sense for Netflix to try to imitate this model.
Once all the competing platforms are well established, consumers will have limited options to see the shows and movies they want outside of paying for a bundle of different streaming services. Subscribers then will be paying ~$50 or more per month just to watch their shows and movies, and there is no guarantee they will be ad free since youโll essentially have no other option. At this point, itโs going to look a lot like the TV packages people were trying to avoid in the first place.
aShittybakedPotato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I had gold to give you, I would give you gold. I wish there was a way to push you comment higher.
Mr_GigglesworthJr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, Iโm glad at least someone read it!
Holy_Rattlesnake ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:10:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think caused them to make a statement?
Exile714 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just cancelled for a month, maybe two. Thatโll show โem?
MC_over_I ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is Netflixโs quarterly results are not exceeding Wall Streetโs expectations and thus not returning value to the shareholders. They are now forced to find a new revenue stream and ads (as seen with Facebook which is their huge cash cow) are really the only solution. They will most likely be easing ads in with their own content and beefing it up with soap and car ads in the future.
nomadProgrammer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then unsubscribe that's the best way to let them know
stuntaneous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Protest by pirating. Create your own streaming platform with Plex, Emby, Kodi + FTP, whatever, that puts their offerings to shame.
Minnesota_Winter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like they are having a hard time with profits, so it's here to stay, and more shows will be dropped. It was nice while it lastex
Purplebuzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acting would be better than bitching.
NeDragons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No bitching does nothing. You need to hit them where it hurts: their wallet
Ivraalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll cancel
dinsbumms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So brave
tacocharleston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You bitch by cancelling, they won't hear anything else you do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares if Netflix turns into comcast. Let it happen. Let them die. Someone else will replace them
Kuja27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean for 12 bucks a month, they're never going to be as bad as traditional cable, advertisements or not.
Beard_of_Valor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is what piracy is. They already know we don't mind paying. Netflix upped its price and found what people are willing to pay, and it's a considerable fraction of a basic cable plan. They know how much their show/movie is pirated. Game of Thrones was massive.
The thing is, Roku, Slingbox, Hulu/Netflix/Amazon Prime, these all reduced piracy by making it convenient to watch shows. Hell, even HBOgo without a cable subscription.
If the ads are "as bad as cable" do what you did to cable. Don't just stop paying. Go around it.
Consider also
ad block,
PiHole (set up a Raspberry Pi between your Internet and your router to filter out all traffic from ad network IP ranges*, which only leaves in-video ads or YouTube style where they actually went through the trouble to host ads instead of importing them from the ad network),
AdNauseum extension, which is like ad block except it also fraudulently pretends to click on each blocked ad, devaluing the clickthrough, sowing discord between ad hosts and clients about how many clicks, and increases the burden on ad networks to really know what's going on with those clicks.
KingOfFlan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Advertising makes it way into everything. Iโm amazed Netflix has held out this long!
TheLittleApple ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can I give the alternative take here? I like the promos. I like them on HBO too. Netflix has a dozen new shows and movies coming out every month, I don't mind seeing a promo between episodes to let me know what's new. If they ever start interrupting episodes with them, of course that would be awful, but there's no chance of that happening.
awitcheskid ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More power to you. I don't. If anything this should be an opt-in option.
If you think things cannot get any worse, you have no imagination and no sense of history.
reg0ner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:07:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're promotions of their own shows. Is everyone on Reddit retarded?? Holy moly..
awitcheskid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter! I pay for streaming movies and shows. I don't pay them to whore me their wares.
mikepictor ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No...we don't, because it's not really a big deal and some people even like it as a tool to discover new content.
awitcheskid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:10:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
230 people disagree. If I'm binging a show, I don't want recommendations at that moment, because I know what I want to watch. That's what the landing page is for.
FunnyHunnyBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How come HBO has done this forever and is also a channel that claims "no advertising" yet no one bitches about it? I don't get why HBO gets a pass and Netflix doesn't.
awitcheskid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The HBO channel isn't a streaming service. You aren't going to know what's airing unless they have those promos there. Plus they have to keep their scheduling block to 15 minute increments. Netflix is for streaming, so we can browse and know exactly what options we have.
And as a side note, does anybody really pay for HBO? Outside of GOT, I don't think they have any worthwhile programming.
FunnyHunnyBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that was true a few years ago but I think the vast majority of people use HBO as a streaming service through either HBO Go or HBO Now these days. They have become a lot more like Netflix the last couple years. And the ads for their own programs every time you open a show/movie are pretty annoying.
blackboard_toss ยท 8093 points ยท Posted at 13:36:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will immediately cancel my sub if i begin seeing commercials on the platform.
Netflix was my answer to avoiding a corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me in my home. There's nothing on Netflix that I want to watch bad enough for me to deal with advertisements.
antillus ยท 3082 points ยท Posted at 13:50:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been finding it tougher and tougher to find shows I like on there anyway.
hellofarts ยท 1213 points ยท Posted at 14:53:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once they removed that amazing rating system, it's become much harder to find those shows you might have liked. I guess they removed it because they want to promote their own shows but that was a great rating system they had.
th30be ยท 307 points ยท Posted at 15:46:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thumbs up and down is such a stupid system.
Also does anyone else miss Max?
DerFelix ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, they used to show the rating of other people, now it shows a random number that it thinks shows how likely I am to like a show. Weirdly enough all their own productions get vastly higher ratings than their bought productions.
nice_try_mods ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:24:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their productions are mostly crap. It actually helps me out because I'll be thinking something looks interesting, see the Netflix tag, and save myself the shitty CGI and forced political issues I'd have subjected myself to.
[deleted] ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:41:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad to me because I remember at some point, knowing something was a 'Netflix Original' made me feel more confident it would be high-quality.
I'm not sure when the transition happened, but now it seems like they put out a million shows a minute and most of them are garbage.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:46:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it was all of last year. Netflix Originals turned from an event to several times a week. Every week.
DerFelix ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:48:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the reason is likely data driven decision making, which can obviously yield great results for the company, but not necessarily the customer. In this case, you can see how much Netflix has increased their income in the last few years, so in their view they are doing something very right.
They are probably going for something like watchtime (and subscriber increases) for their decision making and some low quality shows actually have great watchtime, especially compared to production costs, for people who just like to binge mindless shit or have it running in the background.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can see how it makes sense from their perspective, just sucks for us who actually use it and it feels so transparently money-grubbing and not customer-focused. Although, I think regardless of what they do, they are doomed (or at least, the service as we currently / used to know them is doomed) because of everyone pulling out of Netflix to create their own streaming services, for example Disney, so it feels pretty predictable and even understandable that they're trying to carve new niches and milk what they can right now. I'm still subscribed for now, but advertisements might push me off... I'm paying how much a year just to see ads? Might as well get back on the 7 seas.
Forever_Awkward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you why it feels that way. It's because it is that way. It's always that way.
You start out making a good service to win people over. Build brand loyalty until people are used to relying on you. Then you can can increase the amount you dick people around incrementally for profit at the expense of user experience to make more money until you collapse. If you're really good, you can dump huge loads of money into research on human psychology so that you can dick people around while increasing brand loyalty to an even bigger(yet broader) audience. That's the Blizzard/World of Warcraft route. It's even more sinister, but harder to speak out against because you've exploited people's monkey brains and got all up in their junk.
Netflix went with the "gather usage data so we can exploit people's activities while ignoring human psychology route". It seems like the way to go because data is data, but it's a rookie mistake because, as you'll see all over this thread, people fucking hate it. It's not a sustainable model and only works for youtube because google can afford to keep dumping money into it-it's not a standalone entity or else it would immediately sink.
yeaheyeah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've liked many of their productions, but they're not worth having to deal with any sort of shenanigans.
nice_try_mods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. I've learned that if it's any sort of sci-fi or action film where special effects would play a role in your enjoyment, you should usually avoid. If it's a low budget drama it might be ok depending on how much SJW stuff they force into it. I really enjoyed Stranger Things and Ozark but their stuff seems to be more miss than hit.
tacocharleston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Entertainment taking on high octane politician board members ftw...
K3vin_Norton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the red stars were always how much netflix recommended something
CMDR_Bacon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:28:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, it was always linked to overall viewer ratings. At least for the UK Netflix. Things went from 1 star to 98% as soon as the system changed. The star rating was normally close to things like Rotten tomatoes and Metacritic. Now it's a total mess. I have a plugin that now gives me the RT score of shows when I mouse over them
e4e5e6 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:38:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Before the current thumbs up/down system, Netflix would give you a star rating based on how you've rated shows. If they didn't have enough information to give you a relevant personalized rating, it would give you the average overall rating, but Netflix has always had these personalized ratings. Since the DVD only days I'd been relying on them to make good recommendations, and it was almost never wrong. The personalized recommendations had it down to where it knew I wouldn't like Mad Men or Walking Dead, but knew I would love Breaking Bad. It correctly predicted I'd like the Jason Bourne movies even though I generally don't like action movies. There were stretches where I stayed subsribed to Netflix just because their rating algorithms were so good. And they got rid of it, now I can never find anything to watch.
Minim4c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they offer million dollar competitions to anyone who could improve their algorithm even by a percent? It seems like such a waste to throw away such a good system and replace it with the Amy Schumer debacle.
e4e5e6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I recall the "Napoleon Dynamite Problem." Had to look it up to remind me, https://kottke.org/08/11/the-netflix-prize-and-the-case-of-the-napoleon-dynamite-problem
It was a 10% improvement they were looking for, but the litmus test they were using was Napoleon Dynamite, because it was famously so hard to predict correctly whether a user will like it. And it was true for me. A friend and I walked out of that movie about 30 minutes into it in the theater because neither of us laughed a single time, and Netflix thought I would love the shit out of that movie.
DoingCharleyWork ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amy Schumer had nothing to do with it. It was announced months prior to that. They changed it because most people only rate things one star or five stars. Given that information and the fact that people are generally more likely to rate something if it's just like or dislike it made more sense for them to change it.
e4e5e6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The "most people rated everything 1 or 5 stars" explanation leaves a lot to be desired. If that's the case, the old system should still work for those people just as well as the new one. If they rated something five stars then that's like a thumbs up, and 1 star is like a thumbs down. A 4 star recommendation would be like an 80% recommendation, but now with the new system it only works for people who rate things that way. Also, I saw things that were not recommended to me before at 2 or 3 stars change to 95% recommended right in front of my eyes when it switched. I think it's pretty plain to see, they completely threw their algorithm out of the window because it was making their catalog look bad.
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, not just that it made the catalog look bad. But if you fudge the ratings like they did, you can get more people to watch something by saying "Look! 95% match!" even though that's bullshit. People don't know it's bullshit until they click on it. But it's already too late because you clicked on it, and that makes the data say "look! this system is better! More clicks!"
They and youtube are so, so bad about blindly relying on their misleading data metrics at the expense of reality.
e4e5e6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I agree. I was actually taking it for granted that their catalog looking bad leads to fewer viewers, but I shouldn't have, because in my case it actually led to the opposite. I'm sure there's many great gems on Netflix that I can't find directly because their recommendations are no longer as finely tuned to me. As a result I no longer even pay attention to their ratings at all, making them almost a non-factor in what I watch, which as a result has me watching even less of their programming.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DoingCharleyWork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao it's an easily provable fact that they announced the changes almost a year before the thing with Schumer so keep being ignorant, bro.
2metal4this ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What plugin do you use?
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I really despise is that if I thumbs something up that I've ALREADY seen, it will recommend it to me if I haven't watched it on netflix or within the last year or something.
I'm not trying to "discover" new shit that I've already watched and already know exists...
And their "categories" are like all the same exact shows just titled something different.
"Irreverant comedies" shares like 90% of it's titles with "whatever nondescript description comedies."
What the fuck happened to "I've already watched this?"
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thumbs up The Office.
Parks and Recreation - 70% Match
Bright - 98% Match(and in the spotlight until the next Original)!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Max?
blankfilm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a built-in recommendation system based on what you're in the mood to watch, IIRC.
I remember using it a few times, not being impressed, and then forgetting about it. Not surprised they removed the feature.
Netflix needs a good recommendation system and a major overhaul of their UI. I don't want to see an endless list of movies...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow! Now I remember that! It's been a while..
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But arrows on the other hand...
th30be ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh. I remove my own auto upvote so I'm not one that cares all that much.
LoneWanderer111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Max never knew what I liked, but at least he could make up his fucking mind.
geeky_username ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Example: Reddit
th30be ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it is a dumb system. It becomes an echo chamber eventually. Especially if you have even a mildly controversial opinion.
geeky_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It very much is, and doesn't allow for nuance.
Did something get upvotes because it's funny or because it's relevant (ie Slashdot)
I give a thumbs up to both Shawshank Redemption and Dumb and Dumber, but they are very different movies
TaylorSwiftsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, my friend and I used Max so much
Roach_Coach_Bangbus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least add a "meh" or "ok" button. I just end up not rating a lot of stuff cause it's so dumbed down.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Max was amazing! It made finding a film with my then-girlfriend so easy
2hoodrich4me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Max was nice when u didn't know what to watch
LordOfTurtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As if there's a difference between thumbs and 5 stars or 1 star
th30be ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is to me. There are many things that are just okay.
ChadMcRad ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 15:56:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre also removing classic shows and replacing them all with their originals, which are hit or miss at best.
spanishgalacian ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:24:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like 1 hit for every 100 misses and then the second season comes out which is a train wreck. Amazon doesn't churn out many shows but the ones they do tend to be really good quality. I can't even think of a recent Netflix series I liked.
procrastination55 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
American Vandal is fucking incredible.
Other than that I hardly like anything. I personally like Altered Carbon and the first season of Glow. Also Ozark.
Virgin_Dildo_Lover ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:26:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's looking at you 13 Reasons Why amd Sense8.
IggySorcha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with Sens8?
LevelSevenLaserLotus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only saw the first 4-5 episodes, but I gave up on it because the story was slow as hell. Hour long episodes that felt like they covered half an hour of content.
Oakgecko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're probably referring to the "amazing first season, crap after that" syndrome in the comment he replied to. I unfortunately happen to agree but Netflix pretty much neutered the show on purpose. Everything after the second season was rushed and then ultimately the show was cancelled because the cost of production per episode was too high.
IggySorcha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bummer, I haven't seen the second season (partner and I thought it was cancelled after the 1st until recently). I heard the movie was worse. I really liked the 1st season, I didn't think it was slow at all given the character development.
ialsohaveadobro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The writing and acting are pretty bad, imo--superficial and cliche. The premise has potential, but it would take more thought and rigor to fulfill than this show has to offer. I did like it for a few episodes, but then the flaws started standing out to me more and more. I finished the first season to give it a fair chance, but I wasn't interested in what happened next, which is a very bad sign for such a plot-driven show.
spanishgalacian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:41:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never got into either of those shows I think my most recent disappointments were Altered Carbon with the first half being great and the second being a cluster and I was disappointed they made Lost In Space a kids show.
Oakgecko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't have too much beef with AC but I felt like Lost in Space was a total Charly Foxtrot, independent of target audience
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I felt the ending was confusing and weak, they should have chosen someone else to be the villain.
jimmythehand1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!
ProbablyMisinformed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... that's kind of what the original was too.
That said, I'm not going to bother watching it.
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I know but it was just a cool theme that would have a made for an interesting adult show.
geeky_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was disappointed they made it Idiots Lost in Space.
Let's take the least-liked part of Walking Dead or any "Drama" that has people act completely irrationally to create fake drama.
You're stuck in a life-or-death situation with limited resources and a handful of people, there's going to be enough drama in just trying to survive - we can save the marriage counseling until later if we're not fucking dead.
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that most kids shows?
geeky_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most kids shows have a constant stream of new content show up to create conflict.
Like a new person shows up from out of town, or they discover some book with secrets in it.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit those shows were painfully forced....I mean, they really went down the checklist with those two.
I do like their somewhat recent foreign stuff. Money Heist, 3%(to an extent, has some rough edges), Dark...all excellent, though the dubs are atrocious, definitely watch subbed with original audio. There's just something that feels disrespectful about dubbing over live action performances in today's day and age.
WatchMeSw00ceRightIn ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:43:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BoJack Horseman is an amazing show which happens to be a Netflix original. Other than that, I havenโt been super impressed with a lot of the shows they have to offer.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:49:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aggretsuko is a lot of fun. Disenchanted just dropped and I'm enjoying it.
I can't get into their live action. It all feels so samey and a good chunk of it tries to be impressive first and entertaining second.
I started altered carbon and it opened on a monologue over a shot of a man floating in water. I immediately said "nope" and backed out to turn to anything else.
prof_Larch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:08:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Impressive first , entertaining second exactly describes Altered Carbon
Mashidae ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:13:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh Altered Carbon is pretty fucking good, definitely worth a watch
CorpusCalIosum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Altered Carbon was pretty good though thatโs one worth watching
noobplus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Altered carbon is good once you get past the first episode or so
Mashidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also lest we forget Stranger Things
stylinchilibeans ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Disenchantment from Matt Groening is really good, if you like his stuff (Futurama, The Simpsons.)
ProbablyMisinformed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh... I've watched a few episodes, and while it's funny, I'm having a hard time getting over just how absolutely irredeemably selfish and toxic almost all the main characters are.
It's like they tried to copy the nihilism of Rick and Morty without adding in any of the humanity and self-reflection that comes with that series.
WatchMeSw00ceRightIn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I havenโt checked it out yet but Iโve heard good things.
Shirlenator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched the first two episodes so far and am very unimpressed.. I have heard it gets a lot better about half way through the season but so far its meh. I wouldn't say I've hated it though.
WatchMeSw00ceRightIn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first few episodes are really average and the worst of the whole series imo. Stick it out at least through the first season because it really starts to hit its stride there and continues to get even better after that. The really early episodes donโt really represent the kind of show it will be or become in future seasons.
stylinchilibeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Futurama didn't really impress me in the first few episodes; it's one of my all-time favorites, now.
Professional_PhD ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:58:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But BoJack is going to be on season 5. Netflix shows made 3-4 years ago were low quantity, high quality. Now it's reversed. They want to be a production company, not just a distributor. Which is going to make my need to subscribe go downhill very quickly.
untempered ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Mouth is also an original, and it's hilarious. Definitely agree it's pretty hit-or-miss, though.
UserApproaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, knocked the wind out of my balls.
NGMajora ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 of Daredevil
BanItAgainSam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Voltron:Legendary Defender
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tried watching it and I couldn't get into it.
WatchMeSw00ceRightIn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first few episodes are pretty slow and probably the worst of the entire series. It really starts to hit its stride in the middle of Season 1 and keeps getting better from there though.
noobplus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Other than Goliath and Patriot I can't think of any Amazon originals that I liked. Though I've liked several Netflix originals. Though it's been a while since they made anything worth watching or followed up with new content on the shows that are good.
spanishgalacian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't like Man In The High Castle, The Tick or Jean Claude Van Johnson?
I fucking loved The Patriot it's the best show I've seen in years can't wait until Season 2 comes out in November.
noobplus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:28 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I didn't like any of those shows. Tried em all, except tick. B
Ya, Patriot is one of my favorite shows. It feels like it's been a lot longer than a year since the first season came out... Feels like at least 2 or 3
Yung_Chipotle ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:30:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They arent really removing the shows so much as they can't afford to continue paying the ever increasing licensing fees. That's why the need to invest in originals, the money turns into something they can own and show forever as opposed to paying millions for a short term contract that now costs more and more as other services eat up content.
ChadMcRad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. Itโs just infuriating when the get rid of shows everyone wants and loves then tosses it out, even if it really isnโt their fault.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just switched to Hulu and everything's there.
TrumpWonSorryLibs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hulu shows commercials for their paid service. screw that
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very low chance you actually care about the six shows those pop up on.
possibly_being_screw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sad they removed Itโs Always Sunny. I loved rewatching that all the time...but no more. Thanks Netflix.
trailerthrash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If your business model can't afford to keep product in supply that your customers want, then that's not a good business model.
Yung_Chipotle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Asinine. They have competition now. Anyone who expected a single service to have all the content to watch had mistaken expectations. Expect to have to subscribe to 5 or more services to get the content you could previously on just netlflix within a decade. Between Disney, Hulu, HBO, CBS, etc etc everyone is creating bidding wars for content and making content they own exlusive to their own service.
This is literally why Netflix has been pushing for Originals last 5 years. Eventually Netflix will be almost entirely original content. Everyone has known this was coming, it's just happening slowly year over year.
A_Galio_Main ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Furthermore, Netflix is pumping out more originals due to the rise of streaming competition. Netflix is more likely to greenlight 'risky' shows than mainstream sources because for every 3-5 misses there's a solid hit that people will stay on Netflix's platform to keep watching.
Bojack Horseman, Stranger Things and bringing back Arrested Development all come to mind.
My fiance and I just started watching Disenchantment and it definitely would have struggled to be approved on any other platform but its definitely been the type of show we were looking for us and I assume other shows like Big Mouth hit the same niche for other people.
As a fan of Stand up comedy, Netflix is the only place I want to look because of how heavily they've invested in it, it could honestly be its own recommendation genre
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Yung_Chipotle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the issue there is that people actually watch that bad content. The Adam Sandler deal they made for example was because people watch his movies a ton.
ipickednow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its doubtful netflix is removing content. They pay for a license for the contwnt for a specified time. When the time period runs out Nstflix can either renew, if they have the option, or not.
This is why i never liked netflix. I hated feeling rushed to watch something.
livefreeordont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More like Netflix isnโt renewing the rights for those shows because they are expensive af now that streaming is taking off
pocketknifeMT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't removing them...the contracts are expiring and content owners want their own streaming service, so aren't renewing them.
This is why netflix is making tons of content, even crap. They need to bulk up the catalog before everything evaporates.
ChadMcRad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:16 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's not like they don't have the money, so I hope it's just because the other companies are delusional enough to make their own streaming services.
Mediocretee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glow is pretty good, especially if you like Marc Maron, or Alison Brie, or the 80s, or wrestling.
ChadMcRad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't watch enough of that. It just felt like an excuse for Brie to do nude scenes but honestly it's such a good premise I need to go back and finish it.
Mediocretee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In an interview Brie said she was on board with the nudity because the show is about women being proud their bodies, all types.
ChadMcRad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I get it, but the sex scenes just felt unnecessary. Same thing in Jessica jones.
Chris2112 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:09:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Thank you for calling Netflix you're greenlit"
stevrock ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:44:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And made it ridiculously difficult to find your watchlist and genre lists.
Edit: also, SciFi isn't documentary, stop that shit too.
theyetisc2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dood... In my "documentary" lists it has fucking alien conspiracy shit....??????
What in the actual fuck? I'm not an Alex Jones listener, please keep the documentaries section grounded in reality.
NorthKoreanEscapee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they are documentaries, just of people and their beliefs and not of factual events.
In all seriousness though, Sci-afi is my favorite genre followed by documentaries but the two arent the same and netflix neets to treat them as such. Maybe a "speculative sciences" category or something similar.
theunlikelycabbage ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno about you, but I get โ98% matchโ for basically everything. Itโs absolutely shite!
detheriots ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 15:04:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They removed it after Amy Schumer threw a fit about having a one-star rating on one of her specials. haha
aYearOfPrompts ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 15:54:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No they didn't. The removal of the rating system was announced and in testing a full year before Schumer's special. She had nothing to do with it.
Here is a link to prove this guy is wrong: https://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-wants-to-ditch-5-star-ratings-2016-1
He is spreading misinformation. Don't upvote him.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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aYearOfPrompts ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:34:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you reply to the wrong person? We seem to both understand that Schumer had nothing to do with the ratings change.
Eurell ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 15:07:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
source?
aYearOfPrompts ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 16:03:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's wrong. Netflix announced in January 2016 they were going to ditch the 5-star ratings system:
https://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-wants-to-ditch-5-star-ratings-2016-1
Schumer's special came out in March of 2017.
WhoTookNaN ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt the Amy Schumer thing set it off. Do you think someone as large as Netflix made that change completely within a week? Nah, they had to have been planning and developing it before her special.
PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because that claim was nonsense. I'm sure she was pissed about her mediocre set being listed with one star, but she didn't cause Netflix to make that change. It was announced months before her special even hit.
AlphaMinotaur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:08:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It probably wasn't because of her but it along with other subpar originals were probably the biggest influence. Hard to put their own content front and center along with a rating saying everyone thought it was garbage. They probably get more viewers claiming their originals are a 95% match, whatever the fuck that means, instead of a 2/5.
detheriots ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 15:13:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โAlt-right trolls.โ lmfao Maybe it was downvoted because sheโs a hack and has been exposed as a serial joke thief.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cinemablend.com/television/1636509/amy-schumers-response-to-people-deliberately-down-rating-her-netflix-special
Eurell ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 15:20:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats throwing a fit and made Netflix rework their entire system? I didn't realize she held that much power over Netflix lol
HexonalHuffing ยท 208 points ยท Posted at 15:34:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She doesn't. It was announced months prior to her special that they were working on an alternative to the star rating system. People who think media is controlled by post-modern neomarxists, however, decided that a woman comedian sabotaging our rating systems worked better for their circlejerk.
Eurell ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, you and I and anyone that doesn't obsess about Amy Schumer know that lol. I'm just trying to figure out this guys thought process in blaming her.
But I do appreciate you adding the actual facts.
oTHEWHITERABBIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it happened in quick succession which made it look like a direct response. A popular rebuttal is that Netflix had the feature announced and beta tested for months already, but that ignores the fact that releasing that feature for public use was their discretion and there's no saying when they would've released it. These companies don't just build features abruptly, their devs have libraries of features collecting dust. You think Apple doesn't know what features their users want? Just imagine what their devs are doing all day...
Alt-right anti-feminist nutjobs need to chill the fuck out with their social justice bullshit but yeah, it is kinda maddening someone so brazen with their joke-stealing is continually rewarded.
Moses_Brown ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:57:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, Netflix overhauled their whole rating system overnight because of one comedy special
seanpeery ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, and this is how we know that Disney is going to ritual sacrifice Rian Johnson live as an alternative to showing Ep IV in theaters. /s
PS: I'm aware you're being sarcastic. I'm adding emphasis to your point.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think you need the PS if you have the /s
seanpeery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is reddit, I have had this lack of clarity be a problem more than once.
larrydocsportello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, people are pretty dense/donโt read here
SaltyMeth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:53:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Netflix pulled the ol' Ellen Pao to shift the heat off them
detheriots ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:20:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gosh, itโs such a strange coincidence that immediately after the worst rated Netflix original, they decide to pull the plug on their star system. The PR men surely wouldnโt lie. I already conceded that they had been planning the thumbs rating system for a while beforehand, but Iโm almost certain that the whole one-star debacle sped up the process. And seriously, thereโs a reason that thereโs a circlejerk of hate for Amy Schumer. Sheโs a baldfaced plagiarist โ an unfunny, cringy plagiarist. Watch the compilations on Youtube. Dude, she literally said Ellen Degeneresโ joke back to her. It was really uncomfortable to watch. There are countless instances of her sealing jokes, not just premises, at or close to verbatim. Even if that werenโt the case, sheโs just a comedian for the lowest common denominator. Sheโs Dane Cook 2.0.
Mekisteus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:56:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually enjoyed Amy Schumer's TV show (yes, yes, a horrible reddit faux pas) and I still thought that special sucked.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Cannabalabadingdong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment is unoriginal and sucks. Also, Amy said thanks for giving her the space between your ears to live rent free for so long.
larrydocsportello ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:37:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt really care, I still liked it
MIGsalund ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:39:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Parts of that is akin to a Trump tweet.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
narcissistic and crying about the media
Steffnov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Schumer 2020 confirmed...? The thought alone...
Vladiator16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both parties united under the hatred of Amy Schumer
MileHighMurphy ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:36:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's neat. Today I learned I'm part of the alt right because I thought she sucked and gave her 1 Star. The TIL is always in the comments.
elfatgato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty easy for them to see how many one star reviews came from people who didn't even watch it
iUsedtoHadHerpes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whether you genuinely just don't like her (I think she can be pretty grating), you can't deny the fact that a lot of what she said there is true. She has a hate-following, just like Justin Bieber or Kanye West.
lightnsfw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the media actually reporting on it is fucking dumb.
KillNyetheSilenceGuy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:41:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amy Schumer must know somebody important, you say anything negative about her and you're labeled a troll, and for a while the media was obsessed with trying to convince us that she was attractive.
PMach ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:03:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Comedy Central has problematic idiots in management at best. Also, it's Viacom and all.
FallacyDescriber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She's related to Chuck Schumer
detheriots ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it certainly didnโt look good for Netflix. Apparently, they had been testing the thumbs up/down system before, but that was the catalyst for implementing it. You donโt hear her seething crybabiness coming through over her text? Have you seen her respond to joke theft allegations or how she responds to hecklers?
Eurell ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:32:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does that have to do with the Netflix thing?
Look, if she has the power to change how an entire platform works with just a single instagram post, than I guess she's right about how powerful and dangerous she is.
I mean, she didn't even suggest that they change the system. Are you saying Netlix was so worried about this one post that they changed things without even being asked? Fucking nuts that anyone is that worried about Amy Schumer
Cheeseblanket ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:36:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amy Schumer is not a great comedian by any means but the insanely disproportionate amount of hate she gets for basically anything she does is a bit weird. The whole internet is frothing at the mouth with hatred for a fairly middle-of-the-road standup and I don't really get why.
moak0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of her show was actually really well done.
I'm not sure why the 18-24 male demographic (i.e. reddit) gets so worked up about her. If you don't think she's funny, why not just ignore her? Why go out of your way to have that opinion? It only has negative consequences for everyone involved.
Cheeseblanket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot about her show, I did enjoy bits of it. I think she is much better suited to sketches or movies than standup.
noodlesoupstrainer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I really liked most of the sketches I saw from her show. I liked Trainwreck as well. That leather special, on the other hand, was some hot garbage imo. Definitely got a one-star from me
I haven't looked into all the joke-stealing allegations, because I don't really care very much one way or the other. It's pretty obvious, however, that a lot of the hate she gets is about joke-stealing the same way that gamergate was about ethics in journalism.
Cheeseblanket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I looked it up after getting numerous replies about joke theft and found an article that listed 3 examples where she was called out by other comedians, all of whom later took back their accusations and said that it was probably just coincidence, and a couple others with similarities. A couple of them were iffy but none of then leapt out at me as obvious as Mencia's bullshit used to be where he would do jokes word for word. I dunno. I don't think it's fair to say all the criticism gainst her is just sexism or trolling but I agree, when it gets really vitriolic a lot of it is pretty obviously motivated by her being a woman comedian. She gets targeted over her appearance a lot too which is certainly not something I see male standups ever criticized on. Carlos Mencia was never a whale or a butterface, people just called him a shit comic.
moak0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The 12 Angry Men episode is still one of the best half hours of television I've ever seen.
Snark_Weak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She's an unoriginal thieving plagiarist hack. It's just that people over the age of 24 remember Carlos Mencia, so the rage against morally- and creatively-bankrupt "comedians" has been brought down to a gentle simmer.
sir2bot2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She steals all her material off other comedians
voltagexl1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its the way she peddles false feminist narratives down your throat in commercials, the fact she is a garbage comedian whos jokes are either stolen or about her vagina, the fact she admitted to raping a man, and her attitude to people who think she isnt funny. She is just an amalgamation of many things that are very easy to hate, and then she blames it all on trolls. No Amy, you just suck.
DownshiftedRare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Carlos Mencia caught equivalent hate. Stealing jokes is a cardinal crime for a comedian.
Even worse is stealing a joke and making it less funny with worse delivery. Unfortunately, the two go hand in hand- since those who have the delivery chops can make a Greek menu funny, they don't need to plagiarize other comedians.
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Politics. There's a huge advertising presence trying to shove her in people's faces, so they respond with negativity because they don't like the thing being shoved in their faces.
Combine that with her exploiting the current political environment to her advantage, like the Ghostbusters reboot strategy. You don't like her? It's because you're sexist and also a nazi. Look everyone, there's a war between me and evil! Support me in order to fight evil!
People don't like that. It's also effective, because if you're looking at it from the outside, it just looks like people are going out of their way to hate on some random person for no reason when they should simply find her unfunny and then forget about it. Since that's the perception people have, they support her in these conversations, which plays into the narrative she's built her career on, which adds fuel to the fire for this whole thing.
That's why there's a disproportionate amount of attention being directed at her. She has worked very hard to remain relevant on social media. She knows how the game is played, so she's playing it.
caseymac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โMiddle of the roadโ is quite generous.
Cheeseblanket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think she's as bad as people say. I'm not much a fan of her standup but I've seen much worse. I don't find any of her stuff to be so terrible that it's an affront to my existence like most of reddit seeme to. It's just kind of "Eh."
ChaosAE ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I'd rather watch dunham or Gabriel Iglesias than her any day but she gets way too much flack. Not that I don't get why, she can be annoying.
yunabladez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She really is to comedy and comedians what Anita Sarkeesian is for gaming and game communities.
"I only fail because people troll and discriminate me even though I am the greatest person in my industry ever"
Bugs_Nixon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plagiarising jokes is more in line with this administration than me disliking unfunny comedians.
WolfCola4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm as far from right wing as a person can get and just have to say: Amy Schumer, you arenโt funny and your special fucking sucks
4609203 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She sounds like Trump.
farleymfmarley ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She acts either insane or insanely egotistical, I canโt tell which lol
โAlt right trollsโ made her feel โdangerous and powerfulโ but IIRC everyone has hated her since before that special came out, right? I never liked her
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She shouldn't be called out as a serial joke thief or a hack.
She should be called out for this:
Wait A Second, Did Amy Schumer Rape a Guy?
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you're making it sound with that quote like she just hooked up with a drunk guy. I thought she actually raped some guy who was drunk to the point of being passed out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't the standard. It is informed ongoing enthusiastic consent.
This is how Amy described it in her own words:
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I going crazy, or am I remembering somebody else? Doesn't the story continue to say he passed out and then she raped him? In her own words, no less.
DurtyLilSlut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And everyone has had enough of "stinky vag" jokes.
KasiBum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She is absolutely patently unfunny.
South Park hit the nail on the head (as usual) - โMY VAGIIIIINAโ.
She mistakes impolite, crass behavior as funny.
It can be funny, but itโs not implicit.
sawmyoldgirlfriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not kid ourselves, Alt-Right trolls definitely attacked her.
sky_blu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it was both. There really was an attack by alt-right trolls to mass 1 star her special BUT the non troll reviews were not very different lol.
bailey25u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, now the reason I heard sound doubtful... because it I heard it was because of Bill Nyes show having such a low rating
Eurell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first episode of Bill Nye's show came out over a year after Netflix first announced a change coming to their rating system.
bailey25u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did not realize that... however I hate the new rating system.... it seems to have no idea who I am
KhajiitHasSkooma ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Her face.
Actually, here's a link.
HexonalHuffing ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 15:33:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True in the same sense that they also removed it after the Holocaust. Of course, since they announced months prior to the release of Amy Schumer's special that they were phasing out the star rating system, it seems disingenuous of you to try and link those two events together.
But whatever satisfies your circlejerk, I suppose.
FrostyD7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:57:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think thats somewhat coincidental. The real goal was to hide that content is shit and promote what they want without question. The rating system and % match system used now is an algorithm you'll never understand. That helps them promote what they want and you can't question why its there, you don't know why, its just suggested based on thumbs up/thumbs down. So if netflix wants to heavily promote a thing, you can't complain because the algorithm did it and its too cryptic to question.
TashanValiant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its the same algorithm as before. Instead of 0,1,2,3,4,5 you can do 0,1.
Itโs called collaborative filtering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_filtering
Here is an implementation In a popular software stack based on Netflixโs design: https://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/mllib-collaborative-filtering.html
The new system is actually more transparent. The percent match is probably just the actual output of the model turned into a percentage (i.e .87 = 87%). The changes to 0,1 improves model accuracy to some degree. And Netflix probably also put a filter so that anything with scores < .75 doesnโt show.
DoingCharleyWork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they care about the low score. I get matches that are like 30% sometimes
Krekko ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:01:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell are you talking about? They didn't remove it because of her, you're stretching real hard there Armstrong.
Sardorim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... She isn't funny and she definitely isn't attractive. So what did she expect?
I lean SJW so really, if she had a lot of fans wouldn't they have out voted the alt-righters?
sold_snek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt Netflix changed their entire rating system because someone like Amy Schumer (who has no real known shows if you ask a random person on the street, you just hear her name because someone's making fun of her) complained out a rating on her show.
elfatgato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the power of propaganda on social media.
You and hundreds others genuinely believe this debunked conspiracy theory and repeat it as fact.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol how does this have any upvotes
PMach ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:02:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I not surprised?
_Shal_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was announced months prior to the special though, so it was just a coincidence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly certain they just recommend their own programming and say it's a "98% match" or whatever completely artificially. It doesn't seem to matter if it matches your viewing habits, what it matches is their desire to make you watch it.
hellofarts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier there was a rating system that was very accurate for me personally in predicting whether I would like it or not. I think it was a 4 or 5 star rating system. I assume there was some advanced shit behind it for it to be so accurate. But now theres basically a percentage matching which doesnt seem to mean anything. So I use rateflix browser extension to know about the show.
mainfingertopwise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use youtube to find stuff I want to watch on Netflix. It's kind of silly.
xBaronSamedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The rating system/written reviews are still accessible from the desktop site, if you want to take the extra time to check before watching a show.
yourenotserious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you telling me that Catwoman didnt really earn 4.9 stars?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The reccomendations have become quite atrocious aswell. For instance, because i watched the big Vietnam documentary i may also like FRIENDS! Yep, seems like related content...
tytydollasign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Use the website flixable!!
SeeYouNextTyrsday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I found the "Useful Netflix Scores" plugin for Firefox, which adds Rotten Tomatoes scores to shows if it can find them. It's been very useful. I don't know why Netflix seems to think I have such awful taste, but its recommendations are complete garbage.
ChocolateTower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when I first got Netflix's streaming service almost a decade ago it was very good at predicting if I'd like something or not. Amazingly good at it, in fact. Now I give it zero attention because it's just all over the place. They even took away our ability to see average user ratings at a glance. I'm surprised they still let us see user reviews at all. I log in and it's like "99% match for ghost hunters and the truth about Ancient UFOs" now.
If Netflix reintroduced its user experience circa 2009 I'd be so much happier with its service.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people just rated things 1 or 5.
bailey25u ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard it was removed because of Bill Nye's show... and how horrible it was it got way so many downvotes
larrydocsportello ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:41:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol no
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn Amy Schumer
Foxtrot56 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What was amazing about it? It was as useless as most user reviews.
SpehlingAirer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was accurate! There were 2 important pieces a lot of users didnt realize though. First, the 5 star rating was a guess at how much YOU would enjoy it, NOT the combined rating of everyone. And secondly, it could only guess this if you took effort to rate what you watched.
I used to spend an hour every now and then rating things I've seen (5 = loved it, 1 = couldn't stand it), and also tried to rate everything I watched.
The old algorithm very accurately predicted if i would love something, just enjoy it, or not like it at all.
They removed the system because a lot of users didnt know how it actually worked and got angry with it, along with users passing on a majority of content because the system accurately told them they wouldn't like it.
The old system was great when used correctly, but only for the user. It didnt benefit Netflix much either way.
random_guy_11235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You really didn't find it useful? I have never seen a recommendation and prediction system anywhere near as accurate as Netflix's old one. They got me to watch dozens of movies and TV shows I had never heard of, several of which are now some of my favorites.
Whenever I was out of things to watch, I would sort by rating, exclude things I had seen before, and pick the top thing on the list. It was almost always exactly to my tastes. It was SUCH a great system, and they had to replace it with their current bullshit one. It often makes me sad.
Unoriginal1deas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even if itโs not 100% her fault I still blame Amy Schumer for this
Reallynoon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:37:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Obama! /s
Ninety9Balloons ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:46:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it removed because that Amy Schumer special got like, 1 star or something
DickJagamo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they change it because that Amy Schumer special was so bad or something?
Sw429 ยท 1223 points ยท Posted at 14:41:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They keep removing the shows I like. RIP Psych, 30 Rock, and Avatar the Last Airbender :(
Timboslice8801 ยท 1188 points ยท Posted at 14:51:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs always sunny in Philadelphia, Archer
Darklyte ยท 925 points ยท Posted at 14:57:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Futurama, Firefly
Asoxus ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 15:09:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn Futurama. I was halfway through a season when it disappeared, had to resort to Kodi.
Bpande20 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:52:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This website was my saving grace: http://pixa.club/en/series/
It has a lot of the shows Netflix got rid of, and you can suggest new ones to be added. I hope they add Chappelle's Show next, but I don't think it's even on their list yet.
DurtyLilSlut ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:59:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
whispers hey...kid..you wants some torrents?
Bpande20 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:33:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No thanks, I wouldn't steal a handbag, or a car. Pirated films is stealing
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edit: jfc, I really need this?.... /s
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apparently some people don't remember this classic
truereaper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a good person; She canceled her download at the end! Too bad the Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment (ACE), the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), etc have already recorded her IP and she's going to be pursued with their lobbied leverage of the law & nailed for the crime regardless of her "wonderful" change of heart.
truereaper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean she had enough evil in her heart to start the download, she should be behind bars or fined. Imagine how much money the film industry just lost. Looks like she's in a college dorm; she should definitely be sued for more than whatever she's paying in student debts. I'm sure at minimum that could only begin to compensate the losses of the film industry for a movie she didn't watch and reasonable justice to be served.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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larrydocsportello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre being whooshed man
oppaxal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When my mom forgets to pay the DirecTV bill and I get locked out of using the online services (SimpsonsWorld for example, which you can log into with your TV service account and stream free), I use pixa because it's so nicely set up compared to so many other streaming sites.
The only reason I use the actual websites in the first place is because the video quality is better and closed captions usually. Using SimpsonsWorld as an example again, it also has little trivia blurbs about what's happening in each episode that I enjoy when I don't get a reference they're making because it's a joke about pop culture from the late 90s.
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just use 1movies.se
Use an ad blocker when using the site though.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:52:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that site is a train wreck. it gave my cancer cancer
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It has every movie and tv show I've ever wanted to see and regularly has movies still in theaters. Got a better recommendation?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PMing you.
YesButConsiderThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:03 on August 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Share the love, friend-o ๐ค
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't work.
snegtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ad-laden fuckery.
oppaxal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally any ad blocking service + a shitty streaming site is the best entirely free setup. Add a chromecast hooked to a TV into that list and you've got it playin on there instead.
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's a chromecast? Is it like a steam link, but you can only use the chrome browser? Or are they trying to expand the brand name of "chrome", so it's like a the amazon firestick thing, just a cluster of apps tied to a remote?
nudelsieb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if the question is serious, but a chromecast is a cheap device that allows you to play stuff from your phone/tablet/browser on a hdmi tv/monitor. Great little dongle made by google
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, well I don't have a smartphone/tablet, so I'm not sure how desirable those bits are, but it still seems like it would be better and cheaper to just use a steam link or other device to be able to operate your whole computer through having it hooked up to a TV.
Unless the appeal is just that you specifically want to use a little TV remote to navigate the interface.
nudelsieb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really that you control it with a small remote and there is not really an interface on the dongle itself. As far as i can tell, you push the link from a supporting app (netflix, hulu, emby,youtube,...) to the chromecast, the dongle downloads a small app in the background that allows to play this link. This also works for almost everything you can play in chrome. Its kind of a smart version of a mirracast dongle
oppaxal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You pretty much just mirror cast whatever you send over to the chromecast dongle you plug into your TV. I don't think it has apps you install on it, your options are only limited by what you have that you can cast. If you use Google Chrome, you can cast just one specific tab and keep doing whatever you're doing. There's a little symbol that means "cast" (a rectangle with three curved lines in the corner) you might have seen on videos before, and it does the same thing. I use it to stream TV shows from my laptop while I play a full screen game.
snegtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nearly all of those services will prevent you from watching videos if you've an adblocker.
oppaxal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only site I've had that issue with is KissAnime/kisscartoons but they have work arounds and I just use a different site if I cant bother with finding that workaround lmao
larrydocsportello ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those websites suckkkkk
Bpande20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I use U-block so I haven't seen any. The only ad is the red banner they show asking people to turn off adblocker
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's on hulu along with south park
Asoxus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but I only want to pay for one subscription service.
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has both, I almost literally never open netflix anymore, while I use hulu almost daily. Definitely suggest hulu over netflix personally.
Asoxus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I presume they have a free trial - i'll check it out.
B_B_Rodriguez2716057 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you on that. For years I despised Hulu because they use to be free, then paid with ads,etc... but when Netflix lost Futurama last year I gave in and bought it. Itโs all I watch for the most part. Of course on reddit you get called a shill for defending Hulu. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ScoobyPwnsOnU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just read someone saying something about ads on the ad free hulu version in this thread, I've literally never run into this and have no idea what they're talking about.
B_B_Rodriguez2716057 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs only 6 shows that have ads on the ad free service, itโs written into the contract apparently? Off the top of my head New girl, Greys Anatomy are two of them. Itโs shows I donโt watch so yea Iโm unaffected.
dethandtaxes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has Futurama.
DuplexFields ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was a season in on Fringe, had to start buying it on Amazon. Was two episodes past the opening miniseries on Battlestar Galactica when they dropped it, had to buy it on Amazon.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well look at Mr. Fancypants over here...buying media, psh, bourgeois scum!
Plastic_Dingus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you might not know this, but the folks who make Kodi have been struggling a lot because everybody thinks the fantastic open-source software they make is for piracy. I've not got anything against piracy, but Kodi is nothing more than a media player.
Third-party folks add piracy-enabling extensions to kodi, package it up and distribute it as "Kodi", which really hurts the ACTUAL Kodi's name and makes it hard for them to be taken seriously as bonafide free software developers. I really don't mean to start an argument or anything, but the record ought to be set straight.
Asoxus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I said nothing about piracy!๐
Plastic_Dingus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, right! It's only illegal if you get caught.
Diagonalizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they got rid of Futurama? i am pretty sad about that. Was looking for it yesterday and just thought I was being an idiot cause I couldn't find it.
Cannonbaal ยท 452 points ยท Posted at 15:03:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family guy, American dad
Nastycracker30 ยท 407 points ยท Posted at 15:07:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, Hulu now has every piece of media mentioned in this thread. And you can pay extra for no ads.
Edit: To those asking if it's actually ad free, I've been watching it for at least 3 years and have never seen an ad. Ever. I don't watch popular network television because it's pretty much all shit, so maybe that's why, but on my programming there has never been an ad.
cultsuperstar ยท 297 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they still play ads on certain series even when you pay extra.
zandengoff ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was only 4 ABC shows due to existing contracts, and even those were greatly reduced. 1 ad at the beginning and 1 ad at the end. However, some of those shows have been renegotiated since and have eliminated commercials on the "No Commercials" plan.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:43:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
6 shows, getting away with murder, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, new girl and once upon a time
TheBearmageddon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:52:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Though if I remember correctly, when signing up for the No Commercials option, they have a disclaimer stating that those shows will still have some. So at least it doesn't come as a surprise to those affected.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the only people upset by it are people that dont even use hulu so I'm not sure how they are such experts of the ads for a service they dont use
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's annoying is it gets constantly parroted as "They put ads on the most popular ones" which is so far from true.
Nastycracker30 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they put ads on 6 shows that are pretty poorly written money grabs.
cultsuperstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this was it. I remember seeing Grey's Anatomy and a few other ABC shows that would still display ads.
meateoryears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But whatโs the โno commercialโ plan? Do you know what the differences in pricing are between Hulu and Netflix?
Smuttly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is comparable price to Netflix. If you don't like Netflix originals but prefer Network TV on VOD, then Hulu is the choice to make.
detoursabound ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like hulu is ~$12/month for no commercials and netflix is 7.99, 10.99, or 13.99 8ncreasing in hd level and screens that can be in use at one time
Gillysnote69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Umm itโs been awhile since I signed up and I donโt feel like looking through my bank statement but I think itโs $12 for the no commercial and like $8 for the commercial plan
CarpeNivem ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:20:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do, but Hulu at least has the decency to CALL THEM ads, which is better than the bullshit Netflix is pulling by insisting theirs are "personalized recommendations" even though that's exactly wtf commercials have always been.
CaptainDickbag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercials have not always been personalized recommendations. They certainly aren't on TV, or I'm a man/woman/infant/teenager/adult somewhere between less than 9 months and possibly 99 years old.
CarpeNivem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Television commercials have always tried to be personalized recommendations, based on expected demographics for certain programs, but they've only been as targeted as TV has ever allowed, which is nowhere near what the Internet makes possible. But the point is, they've always been as personalized as possible. And they're certainly recommending you buy their shit. So this is nothing more than twisting words to sound like something else, without actually being anything else.
CaptainDickbag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be targeted demographics, a far cry from personalized suggestions based on your browsing history. You can't personalize with television, you can only guess.
I'm not arguing with you about Netflix's as placement. We both know what that is.
NotC9_JustHigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you guys seeing all these ads??
I have netflix playing the back for at least 6 hours every evening. The only thing that happens is I have to turn and his the x button the controller to get it to resume playing.
Where are all these ads and how come only a few raging people are seeing it?
CarpeNivem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Read any of the myriad of the articles about this and you'll learn that Netflix is, for the time being, only "experimenting" with these commercials to some users.
So, if you haven't see them, then you are clearly not one of the test subjects.
ReadAsSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares what they're called. Ads, commercials, teasers, personalized recommendations, whatever... I cut cable because I was tired of paying to watch ads. Any streaming service is dead to me if they force any commercials on to a paid plan.
CarpeNivem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I care. Call a spade a fucking spade. There's entirely too much not doing that going around these days.
soswinglifeaway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:34:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are 6 shows (Greyโs Anatomy, Once Upon a Time, Marvelโs Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Scandal, New Girl, and How to Get Away with Murder) which they are contractually obligated to play ads for. They play an ad before the beginning of the show, none in the middle, and another one at the end which is 100% skippable. Other than those 6 shows, everything else is actually ad free. If it's a contractual obligation I guess I can't really fault them for it, especially when it affect such a small percentage of their library. I've had Hulu for a while now and they really seem to be improving their library lately. Some of their original programming is pretty good too.
ArmadilloAl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that they haven't added any more shows to that list since it was first announced in 2015 is a pretty good indication that it really is contractual obligation from deals signed before the ad-free option was considered.
ExpressRabbit ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:12:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've not noticed that ever with the shows mentioned in this thread. And those are the kind of things I use hulu for. That and wrestling anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For shows which air simultaneously with the satellite TV, they are legally obligated to show. They only show ads on those shows.
Smuttly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the ad only tells you the time, date and place to watch it live.
tomsawing ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:12:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is one at the beginning and one at the end though, which is more tolerable than throughout. Although this thread is specifically people complaining about Netflixโs use of ads following content, so this particular audience may not find that satisfying.
PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT ยท 289 points ยท Posted at 15:18:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Advertising is a disease. The less of it I see, the better.
vonmonologue ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:23:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The entire point of advertising was for media producers and distributors to earn money. The point of TV shows were for you to watch the station so you'd see the ads so the media producers and distributors would get money.
If I'm paying the media distributor/producer directly, why the fuck are they putting an advertising middle man in there?
quantum-mechanic ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:42:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you aren't paying them the full cost of what you consume
HateAuthority666 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:56:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then they need to adjust their pricing?
quantum-mechanic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you would be here bitching about how they want more money from you
RagingPigeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you would be here in the comments being a bitch.
quantum-mechanic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wah wah Netflix doesn't give me everything I want at the price I feel like paying
RagingPigeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly don't understand how business works in general.
You clearly don't understand much of anything in general.
quantum-mechanic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wah wah Netflix is so bad and mean
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:44:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe they're greedy bastards who are trying to squeeze out every penny they can
quantum-mechanic ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:43:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you would know... how?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I thought we were just saying the word 'maybe' then throwing out some suggestion that could possibly be true
Though, corporations sure do have a long history of being greedy bastards
Attainted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paging all available doctors to the burn unit.
quantum-mechanic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, there are probably two corporations out there that have a long history of being greedy bastads.
larrydocsportello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would you know the opposite?
quantum-mechanic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they exist in a competitive marketplace
vonmonologue ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:56:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/netflix-is-growing-even-faster-and-streaming-to-record-profit-totals-2018-04-16
Netflix profits are through the roof. Collectively we are definitely paying them more than we consume.
lotsoquestions ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is that grace period where they're bleeding content but people are still sticking with them out of habit. Consumers will begin migrating to other services soon and Netflix stock will plummet (it's overvalued as it is).
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:27:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Advertising on paid platforms is a disease. Free services canโt exist without some kind of passive revenue keeping them afloat
Ghostflux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The move that full price games made to implement free2play monetization methods was gradual. Now there's seriously players that demand microtransactions. I wouldn't be surprised if people dismiss advertising as "necessary" in a few years, even when it clearly isn't.
StarGaurdianBard ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:20:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Torrenting is free and without advertisements, eventually these companies will realize everyone will just go back to torrenting if they keep trying to become more like cable
Sw429 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But YOU WOULDNT STEAL A CAR
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:58:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely would download a car though.
KoboldCoterie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting to consider that with 3D printing becoming better and better, at some point in the future, it may actually be possible to download a (file for a) car (that can then be 3D printed and driven).
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is posted every time this line of comments is posted but no one ever says when or how thatโll happen
KoboldCoterie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could that possibly be because we do not currently have the technology to do it, and no one can predict when or if it will be available?
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just considered this again. It still wasn't very interesting.
blueballswhiteskin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would if it was as easy to get away with as pirating videos
mujie123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, man. I'd rather have banner ads on a game I'm playing than having to pay a subscription or something. It's how it's used that can be a problem. Interrupting gameplay, etc.
benargee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually don't mind advertising if it's of things I'm interested in that I don't already own and haven't seen 10 times already. Unfortunately ads don't work that way.
likdisifucryeverytym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, โthe less you see of what you particularly donโt like, the betterโ might be a better phrase considering how everything is sponsored and everything has add
Ivotedforher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how diseases work, comrade.
CoffeeAndKarma ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't see why. It just lets you know what's out there. And if you want free stuff, it's that or data mining
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But in the case of netflix, it isn't free. You already pay a nominal fee. If that fee is not enough, then they need to rework their model. Introducing ads is a great way to have customers quit their platform since that is one of their strongest selling points.
Swineflew1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like raising costs, because that doesnโt upset people either. Or cut costs and shrink the library, which doesnโt upset people.
KoboldCoterie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Offer a choice. "$0 per month with 4 30-second ads per hour of video, $9.99 per month with 1 ad between episodes of each show, $14.99 per month with no ads".
Would it piss some people off? Sure, any change is going to do that, but at least it would offer people for whom the money is more important than their time the option to choose.
Forever_Awkward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good god, no. Nothing that has ever used this kind of model has ever not gone to shit.
Forever_Awkward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo forget Hillary, we need to impeach this guy.
CoffeeAndKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:19 on August 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's so bad about not minding ads? They're like 30s of video for free stuff.
Pardonme23 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It spreads like a virus.
CarpeNivem ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:22:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads at the beginning and end does not differentiate Hulu from Netflix, because that's when Netflix plays theirs also.
What differentiates them is honesty. Hulu calls their ads what they are. Netflix employs bullshit wordplay and insists theirs are "personalized recommendations" and it's this "truth isn't truth" attitude which bothers more than anything else.
greg19735 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu only has ads on like 6 specific shows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid everyone here is responding emotionally, but ads for tv shows on a tv show viewing platform is no different than previews etc of tv shows on that platform
I doubt anyone is paying netflix to have their show advertised
grape_jelly_sammich ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:20:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It should be ad free.
Greevil_95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's ad free on everything except like 6 specific shows.
grape_jelly_sammich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're still paying extra for an ad free experience. Should be ad free.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's either show an ad or remove those series.
grape_jelly_sammich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And why is it physically impossible to show those shows without ads? Charge more for the service if need be, but don't show commercials. It largely defeats the point.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because their pre-existing contracts for those series said that the studios/networks got a portion of the ad money. There's no way around it apart from breaking contract and removing the series or renegotiating at a severe disadvantage.
It's ridiculously easy to just ignore them if it bothers you.
corobo ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:21:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For now. Used to be Netflix didn't have adverts between shows. Used to be they didn't have autoplaying videos. Used to be.. etc
5 years from now "Well at least it's only one ad break"
Edit: I didn't keep track of where we were in the discussion. I was talking about Netflix like a muppet. All these replies below proper confused the fuck out of me lmao
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:41:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They moved away from ad breaks during the show that's why they play at the beginning or end only. And for ad free hulu only 6 ABC shows have ads getting away with murder, new girl, agents of shield, scandal, greys Anatomy and once upon a time.
Price wise ad free hulu is on par with Netflix, multiple profiles and screens too
insertAlias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is so fucking cynical. Hulu's explanation was that they had some shows with an existing contract that didn't allow them to be shown without ads. It's like 6 total shows, and Hulu is upfront about which ones would have ads. That's not unreasonable, but people like you will just shit on them because blind cynicism.
HDThoreauaway ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear what you're saying and your skepticism is reasonable, but it's the other way around. My understanding is there was a small handful of shows which had worked out deals with ad revenue sharing and didn't have clauses for what would happen if Hulu went commercial-free. New content agreements are negotiated which make room for ad-free subscriptions.
Mywifefoundmymain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, Netflixโs โadsโ which are nothing more than previews for another show air between episodes of a show, while the credits are rolling. And you donโt have to pay to have it limited to that. And you can turn them off.
Omegamanthethird ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a lot less intrusive than people are implying.
What the hell is everyone complaining about then. Do people realize you can turn them off? Also, has this been verified?
Mywifefoundmymain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a beta test. You can opt out. And people looooooooove to bitch
Smuttly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't even an ad for those shows. Here how it goes:
Currently airing shows may or may not have a 5 secondish "ad" that is a title card saying "TV Show Airs @ Day and Time" so that you know when it airs live since you decided to watch it on Hulu. That's literally all it is.
tomsawing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is not true. Thatโs on every show. There are specific shows that have an ad, then the show, then another (usually the same) ad at the end. New Girl is a good example.
Smuttly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally never seen anything more than the 5 second pusher ads on the shows I watch that airing at the same time.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah,because no one here even watches those shows. They just like to being it up to bitch about something they don't even use.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I like about one at the beginning, one at the end, is I just get a drink or whatever during the one at the beginning. Then I just stop the show after it ends so I donโt even see the one at the end.
Why-so-delirious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an Australian netflix user, I'd totally swap to Hulu if I got even a hint that it had a decent library.
Our netflix fucking SUCKS.
Every show mentioned in the chain above? We never got. Not that I fucking saw.
pizza_dreamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to pay for a service that does this.
Sock_Puppet_Orgy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really tolerable when you have a paid subscription.
Buccos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you pay the extra $3 a month. Zero ads. Never ever. One year, never saw an ad on either pc or Amazon Fire.
tomsawing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are simply not watching the shows that it applies to.
Buccos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah well how about that. Is it maybe the current season thatโs out that has them? Because maybe I never watch things like that.
I almost always binge watch shows that are done. So I never have to wait for the end.
Meglomaniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the whole thing with netflix that they are going to show ads for their own shows in between episodes when you're binge watching?
How can you say its okay to have them at the beginning and end, yet crucify netflix for the same?
jetmanfortytwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs like 5 shows that this is the case for and Hulu literally canโt do anything about it because of prior contracts. They donโt want to be showing those ads but the choice is that or not have the show at all. They are also up front about it.
Netflix is choosing to do this on their own and being sneaky about it. Do you really not see the difference?
tomsawing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have not objected to either practice. Iโm just saying what Hulu does on these particular shows that arenโt included on the no commercials plan because I have it and figured people might like the information.
nazguel3536 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I maybe wrong, about this but I donโt think so. Iโve payed for Hulu without commercials for over a year and donโt recall any, at least for the shows I watch.
Hesh_From_Texas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I havenโt seen an ad in months, have the second tier membership.
evilbadgrades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been paying for ad-free hulu and have yet to see any ads, although I'm not one of those cool kids who has to watch every new series when it comes out.
TedTheViking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not from my experience.
machingunwhhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Less than ten shows play ads
EvidenceBasedSwamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FX channel demands it on their contracts it seems.
PeacefullyInsane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's like 2 series. New girl and one other. Furthermore, when you pay for ad free, they just don't give you those shows with that package.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its 6 shows by ABC
New girl, getting away with murder, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, and once upon a time.
They also dont interrupt the show to play the ads it's either at the beginning or end. If it's the end you can skip it since the show is over at that point
Zemrude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have that option with Hulu, and the worst I have ever seen is the occasional 10 second ad at the beginning of a show highlighting other shows by the same network. You are right that it is not zero ads, but compared to even one regular commercial break it is quite minimal.
TheNoobCakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon Prime does the same thing. I know for sure the ads are skippable though.
InitialG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is only for live reality show bullshit. Nothing good has ads.
hypernova2121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
literally 6 specific shows, and it is one 30-second ad before and after the show
NumberoftheJon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone wanting to watch the shows listed up above won't see any of those ads. I think it only applies to the current, prime time type shows. I'm not too sure though because I mostly watch the stuff that use to be on Netflix and never see ads.
UltravioIence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like 5 shows, and no one's mentioned any of them yet.
Extra_Crispy19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only for like 6 shows which are getting away with murder, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, new girl and once upon a time.
CallMeCygnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see ads. Only a short bump for whatever network the show belongs to.
MarioKartGuy27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. that pissed me off when I found that out. Don't call your extra money plan "no ads" when its not fucking No Ads
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
None of those ads are on psych, 30 rock, avatar, futurama, etc. So for people who want Hulu for those awesome binging shows, donโt worry, no ads.
BrownRebel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oof, no place is safe
HeroOfClinton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a very select number of shows when I had signed up about 6 months ago. I never even watch any of the shows on the list so I didnโt mind.
Zeekly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my personal experience I have never watched an ad on Hulu with their ads free version.
DeemSleep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only for like 4 shows
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not on any of those. Maybe FG but I don't watch that normally. I've had no ads and haven't seen any yet. I think it's just really popular network tv?
aspidities_87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:11:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for me. I pay for no ads and I donโt see them.
ACoderGirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's for certain shows, so you only see them if you watch those shows. https://help.hulu.com/en-us/included-in-no-commercials-plan
lord_allonymous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's only certain shows during new episodes I think.
InsipidCelebrity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on the specific series. For some of them, there were licensing issues.
dontnation ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you really? Or is it still no ads*.
*mostly
Freon424 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like at the start, there's like 5 whole shows that have a 10 second ad at the beginning and that's it. AND I think they're on Netflix, too, so you only have to watch 4 minutes of ads over an entire 22 episode season IF you wanna watch the current season. And it costs just as much as the 4K plan on Netflix.
InanimateSensation ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that price is only $1 more than Netflix's 2 screen package. And Hulu doesn't bombard you with auto play trailers.
Banch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is all I use anymore. Netflix doesn't have much anymore. I am looking forward to Castlevania, but that's about it right now.
Feierskov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu isn't available in Europe. :(
daletriss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know Psych is on Amazon Prime and I think so is ATLAB. I've been finding myself using Hulu and Amazon Prime much more than Netflix recently. Most good shows have migrated to one of the two.
soswinglifeaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon has picked up a few shows I like a lot (Doctor Who, Chuck, Psych)... I just wish their UI was better. I find the content so difficult to parse through that I rarely use it, despite having a lot of content I like.
Goronmon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are so many easy improvements Amazon could make to their UI it's almost impressive how little they seem to care about their platform. Basic stuff like grouping seasons of a show together instead of treating them as separate shows in the UI. It's ridiculous.
soswinglifeaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PREACH! We tried watching the Man in the High Castle and accidentally ended up watching the first episode of season 2 instead of season 1, we were suuuuper confused until we realized why we had no idea what was going on.
Pr0xyWash0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Between Hulu and Amazon Prime, I have all the movies and TV I really want, and i find myself with Netflix just for their "Netflix originals". I'm finding myself ready to treat it like I do HBO, wait for 1 month a year after everything has been released, then binge and cancel.
yehti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't like Hulu for the "pay extra for no ads" but finally committed to it after seeing their library grow. Now my streaming is split 80% Hulu, 20% Netflix. Won't think twice about dropping Netflix if I start seeing ads.
ureallyareabuttmunch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm in Canada, can I watch Hulu without a VPN?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:11:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they still show you ad's once you pay? just slightly less?
I'll be sticking to pirating. My brain is not for sale.
greg19735 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao. I think you're probably just cheap.
Hulu had ads on like 6 shows total. The rest r ad free.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. I pay for Netflix. If I'm paying for a service I don't want to feel restricted or taken advantage of.
Even with Netflix's Ads and mishandling of them, their self playing trailers, and dumping recycled content for new content they don't bother me. Then again, maybe it's because I genuinely believe they're still trying to break molds and not just bring cable to internet, like Hulu.
greg19735 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:48:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paying $10 a month doesn't give you the right to access all content. If the content isn't on netflix, it's partly because Netflix didn't want to pay for it.
Netflix aren't trying to do anything except make money.
pupomin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For people like this guy: Consider buying the DVD set of the stuff you like to see, then put the pirated stuff on your own Plex server so you can stream it to all your devices.
It's a little more work, but you're supporting the people who make the stuff you want to watch, and still get to stream it. Also you can watch reruns all you like on your local network without impacting your bandwidth limits (my household had 8 people and we were regularly topping 1.5TB per month download. Cox started enforcing their caps, so I went the Plex route, very happy with it).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do use a plex server, as it happens.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what I do. I wait for the box sets on sale and put it on plex. Iโve amassed 14 TB of tv shows so far.
Mekisteus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's free Hulu with a ton of ads and very limited selection.
Or, you can pay money and still get ads, but better selection (they still randomly limit episodes and seasons and won't always let you watch the entire series).
Or, you can pay even more money for the "ad free" version, in which case, you STILL GET ADS.
Fuck Hulu.
soswinglifeaway ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are only 6 shows that still have ads on the ad free version, which they are contractually obligated to show ads for. And it's only at the beginning and end, not the middle. Hulu has actually really improved their library lately, I've been using it more than Netflix recently. Other than those 6 shows, everything else in their catalogue is actually ad free.
speech-geek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been binging ER on Hulu on the no ad tier - haven't seen one ad.
knowstheknowing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... Its mostly shit from ABC anyway. Once Upon a Time and whatnot.
Freon424 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's five fucking shows that have ads on them and it's 10 seconds at the start. That's it. Agents of SHIELD is the only show of the 5 that's good and you can watch past seasons on Netflix with no ads.
Source: Me, who gladly paid the $4 a month to get rid of the ads and dealt with a 10 second Agents of SHIELD ad telling me to watch it live on Friday at 9/8 central before starting my Agents of SHIELD episode.
Forever_Awkward ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda maybe on board with you until this line. Now you're the advertiser. They got into your head and now you are they.
Freon424 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lawlz. If I'm a "they," so be it. I'll put it up front when I subscribe to something or pay for something. Doing otherwise is disingenuous to anyone reading my post. Folks wanna rag on Hulu for their shitty, shitty UI? Go for it. Folks acting like ad free Hulu still has them watching 25 minutes of ads every hour? Those guys can get fucked cause they don't subscribe and they can't read. Hulu even explains up front that it's a couple of shows who's licensing agreements forbade them from changing their model until the contract was up. That said, I would not subscribe to Hulu at their $8 offering. I tried and it was no different than watching cable. Worse even cause it's the same 3 minutes of a single commercial over and over again. If an extra $4 a month to save hours of your life every month ain't worth it, I don't know what to tell you.
Forever_Awkward ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:45:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This thing standing here used to be an actual human being before they got to him. Let's have a moment of silence in memory of Freon424, fellas. Never forget what they did to him.
Whyskgurs ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guessing you didn't see the post about a guys show getting spoiled by an ad for said show?
Besides, it's a slippery slope. Only a few shows now. Most shows later on. 10 seconds now. 30 seconds later on. If we wanted ads instead of content, we would pay for cable.
Time to hit the high seas.
caulfieldrunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mate, it's only been REDUCED. The only reason those shows have any ads are because of contract issues.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's because of a preexisting deal with ABC specifically for new girl, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, getting away with murder and once upon a time. It's not a slippery slope they've literally been going the opposite direction with ads
ArmadilloAl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They announced a list of seven shows that were required to have an ad in 2015.
The list is currently at six shows. (They no longer have Grimm, so it was removed from the list.)
I think that's a pretty good indication that the slippery slope argument isn't a concern, at least in the foreseeable future.
PMach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$13/month for no ads and the vast majority of what I want to watch is still vastly superior to a cable subscription. I'm okay with this.
AtotheCtotheE ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay the full price for Hulu and havenโt seen an ad yet. I donโt watch a ton of new television, mostly just animeโs, cooking shows, and futurama, but still I think your criticism of Hulu is unwarranted. I prefer it to Netflix due to breadth of choice already.
ChaosAE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mostly stream anime, a few years ago Hulu was easily the best for that. Netflix... well has always been shit for me
Nastycracker30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is literally the best band for your buck of streaming services. This really cannot be argued.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you dont watch new girl, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, getting away with murder or once upon a time you will never see an add. Hulu licensing deals prevent them from always having all the episodes. Hulu doesnt own the content however it's pretty rare to have shows that are incomplete the way you described it
Mekisteus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You pay for ad free, you should get ad free. Not 99% ad free.
Hulu is the one that made the licensing deals. It's not like they didn't have a say in the matter. Notice Netflix isn't missing the first seasons of shows.
When I had Hulu I got sick and tired of starting a new show only to have the first season removed before I had finished it, or wanting to watch a show but finding out that for unfathomable reasons you had to start in at season 4.
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they did have a say which is how they got the shows at all the owners and distributors of the shows and content also get a say to it's not a one way street.
Netflix until relatively recently had far more bargaining power than hulu did. Might as well compare crackle and shit too since you're comparing apples to oranges
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much. I'm a big baseball fan and won't subscribe to MLB.Tv because I'm blacked out from 6 teams, despite being 4+ hours away from any of them. I also won't watch their free feeds because they replay ads over and over. If I stream a subscriber's, I don't have to deal with either and I save $140 a year. Which I use in gas and hotel to go to an actual game, 4 hours away.
wildfyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bro. BROOOO https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBStreams/
I pay for mlb.tv, just for my team since I live out of our market, but I think this is my last year. The subreddits for MLB and NBA free streams are excellent, unlike NFL which is a shitshow.
Smuttly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't have Avatar or Psych though.
TheCouncil1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except for their super premium shows that still play advertisements despite the fact that you explicitly paid to opt out of them.
the_light_of_dawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think at this point Iโm gonna switch to Hulu full time and just hop onto Netflix when new seasons of Bojack Horseman or Stranger Things are released.
MoistGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has TLA??
mujie123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And also not available in the UK.
belgiumwaffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I basically use Hulu now and am really close to ending my Netflix subscription. Thereโs a few originals I like, Last Chance U, Orange is the New Black, Impossible kimmy Schmidt so maybe Iโll just renew for like a month, watch what I want then end it again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As non American :'(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but hulu is owned by the cable company's. I'll just stick to watching stuff on putlocker
GoodCatWarriorName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar isn't. Or, it wasn't last week.
damn_this_is_hard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because those are all Fox properties and Hulu is part owned by Fox. follow the money
NeverThrowawayAcid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I switched to Hulu and Iโve never been happier. All the shows I missed are available again. The interface is better and prettier; at least on my Xbox. And thereโs just a better choice of shows overall. Hulu > Netflix nowadays.
ChairmanLaParka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been getting a thing lately. Married with Children specifically. It says you can't stream the show unless you sign up for Hulu with live TV. No thank you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is not completely ad free if you're watching a more current show or s season that is still airing.
Certain shows still have an ad at the beginning of the episodes.
Nastycracker30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go get a drink and enjoy your now completely ad free experience.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't complaining. Just clarifying. I'm not really bothered by ads as long as they're minimal. Don't interrupt what I'm watching mid episode/movie and don't do more than one, maaaaaaybe two at a time and I'm fine.
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, the thing is, fuck hulu.
Fuck comcast, NBC, fox, universal, etc and everyone else who owns hulu.
They could have not tried to destroy streaming and just adapted much earlier on.
I will never use Hulu because the owners are cancer. You honestly think that hulu will stay ad free? These are the same people that charge you money for cable, then play ads over it.
The large networks are trying to kill netflix, and when they do ads will come rushing back. Regardless of how much you pay.
mergedloki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is Not available in Canada sadly for some reason.
ChaosLegion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ended my subscription immediately after being forced to watch adds while watching archer even though I was paying for the no adds subscription. That conversation with customer service was so dumb. โHello Iโm seeing adds on the no adds planโ โYes there are some adds on the no adds planโ stupid.
thedhusquad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt have Psych :((((((
Nastycracker30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you're right that one is on amazon prime, got them mixed up.
thedhusquad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre fine, I just wanted to be sad online because I binged the fuck out of that show like 5 years ago
Nastycracker30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you happen to have Amazon prime or you are currently a student (you can get a year of prime for free with a student email) then it's all free game!
steelesurfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But most of the hulu content IS popular network television
Prawph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad there is no non American solution. As always, we Canadians get screwed by Bell and Rogers.
Nastycracker30 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly this is because America is the only country in the world and none of these other shit holes matter, enjoy your Netflix originals, nerds.
Cannonbaal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna look into Hulu more after hearing from you and others.. I kinda settled into Netflix and it's time to try another
vonmonologue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Hulu is owned by the networks and they pulled all of these shows from Netflix so that they could make money more directly via Hulu.
We will all be dead before any of the shows mentioned in this thread are in the public domain and can be watched without getting squeezed by any of the big media companies.
hankbaumbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly the principle that has me against ads on Netflix to begin with. The new model is, I pay you money and get ad free or I get ads but the content is free. Hulu switching to a paid with ads model as their base and a paid without ads as their premium was too greedy for my liking and I have refused Hulu out of principle ever since.
Similarly, if Netflix adopts a model like this I'd be hardpressed to continue using their service and far more inclined to sail the high seas once more.
caulfieldrunner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu's paid without ads is like a dollar more than Netflix's two screen plan. Netflix just wants to take advantage of you while dropping all of the shows worth glancing at.
hankbaumbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll defend Netflix just a touch in that they are trying to produce new original content at the expense of maintaining the licensing for all the shows we originally subscribed to Netflix to watch.
None of what you said is wrong but if Netflix was just raising prices while cutting services (i.e. the Comcast model) that'd be heinous while what they are really doing is a pretty big business gamble (original content) that may pay off to the tune of billions and may bankrupt them.
More to the point, I believe all the "ads" on Netflix are for their original content rather than soap and erectile disfunction pills
caulfieldrunner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish they'd put out more interesting original content. Most of their "original" content are actually just shows they bought the rights to that show on TV in other countries.
KillNyetheSilenceGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has the stuff because it is owned by a conglomerate of media companies (like Disney) and they are pulling all of the content that they have rights to off of Netflix so that you have to watch it on Hulu.
LuckyHedgehog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is run by the tv corporations to try and take down netflix, then they will slowly turn it back into cable subscriptions model with full ads
They may have a lot of the things i want to watch but I refuse to support them with an actual subscription.
Nastycracker30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe the cable companies are trying to adapt to streaming, offering a product that people are more likely to be interested in than cable.
LuckyHedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
considering they are pushing to kill NN, and Hulu has been trying to push ads into their services at every opportunity... i doubt it. But hey, if you want to wish and hope that Hulu pinky promises not to fall back into old habits then go right ahead
Luckily Netflix is as large as they are because competition is keeping hulu honest for now, but if hulu "wins" the streaming market through exclusive contracts for all cable created content then they will start to revert back to the old model.
Netflix knows what the cable companies are doing, and that they could have the rug pulled out from under them if all of their tv show contracts expire which is why they have invested a crazy amount of money into original content.
frosty374 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is owned by the cable companies. So if you pay them, you are part of the problem. Can't water weeds and expect them to die.
Nastycracker30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well then maybe other streaming services shouldn't be complete shit
joebrownow ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You pay extra for less ads. You still get the 15 second one in between episodes
caulfieldrunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even slightly true. There are like six shows that have ten second ads at the beginning of the episode. The rest are completely ad free.
PMach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Battlestar Galactica
cdabryck10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beyblade Metal Masters
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
๐ต We didnโt start the fire ๐ต
StanleyDarsh22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
time to watch those free youtube streams of these shows and many more!
Acenthrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
X files
OldJewNewAccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol wtf those POS shows run on CN, 24 fucking 7.
Cannonbaal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude they are so good to nap to. My naps run on my schedule.
OldJewNewAccount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol fair play. Imma dick.
TheKingofMars_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's time everyone watch some new shows.
caulfieldrunner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:50:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's time they start making some good shows.
oozles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Though Serenity made it back to Netflix at least. It should be against the law to host the show or movie without hosting the other.
PringlesDuckFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is the new Disenchantment series is pretty shitty. For those hoping for a medieval Futurama you'll be disappointed. It feels more like a lazy fanfic than anything original or funny.
AckerSacker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bob's burgers :(
wizardent420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone forgets OG Netflix had South park
throwthatoneawaydawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when they had South Park.
RedvinesNotTwizzlers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's on Hulu. Well, I watched it a month ago on there. This is what I do to make it so I don't feel as bad when one streaming service is shitty for a while - I pay for Hulu w/ HBO & let my friend & aunt have their own accounts on it & in turn, my aunt gives me $15 Hulu gift cards 3 or 4 times a year & then my friend pays for Netflix & let's me have an account on it. So find someone to split services with. If Amazon is ever more appealing, I'm gonna just have my aunt pay for that & stop getting Hulu cards.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 15:00:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They got rid of archer? The fools!
kmrst ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:10:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FX didn't let them renew the contract.
idoubledareya ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:23:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what people donโt get, Netflix didnโt get rid of it they just werenโt allowed to show it anymore.
blackgoatofthewood ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People dont realize this. Everyone wants to hop in on the OTT video since netflix proved it viable. They are pulling licences to show on thier own app, which is why netflix has to push originals to stay competitive
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ott video? Since when has there been a perspective that otters aren't viable?
blackgoatofthewood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Over the top. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-top_media_services
BLut91 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, they donโt have it. If they donโt have shows I want to watch it doesnโt really matter to me what the reason is
idoubledareya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And thus cable comes to the internet.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:23:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Incredibly rude tbh
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:47:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their parent company owns a majority stake in Hulu
Ergheis ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And there's lots of sudden love for Hulu in here.
Nihil94 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:53:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Hulu is picking up on all the slack that Netflix is dropping.
Especially with having a decent way to browse for shows, versus Netflix who will have the same shows in 10 different categories.
The only thing keeping me using Netflix is The Office, Arrested Development, and the Marvel movies. And the Marvel movies will be gone when Disney gets there streaming service up.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Hulu actually recommends shows I've actually liked, not just the same five of their own series Every time I log in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really dropping the slack when Netflix isn't being allowed to renew the contracts? Don't you think Netflix would love to have the shows that they know will draw in high numbers of users?
Nihil94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more about how awful it is to browse on Netflix rather than the shows they have or don't have, since that's out of their hands.
kmrst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point. Netflix wants these shows desperately, but cable companies own Hulu, so they don't let Netflix buy the streaming rights.
Nihil94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more to do with Netflix's layout for me. Browsing Netflix is abysmal. I'll look at 10 different categories, and fine way to many of the same titles in each category.
pianodude4 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:35:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The sudden love for Hulu is because all of the good shows are being removed from Netflix and moved over to Hulu.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix still has a better movie selection. Really, I don't see what the big deal is as long as they're not invasive. Pay for whichever one/ones you like the content of better.
pianodude4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't disagree there. I honestly pay for both so I have the best of both worlds there. I just see a lot of the shows I used to watch on Netflix suddenly on Hulu instead.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu w/ HBO has a better movie selection for $17. Plus you get HBO.
theyetisc2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they're attempting to kill netflix and force us all to pay the outrageous prices that they charge for cable.
And once there's no longer any viable alternative except the large networks streaming services, they'll reintroduce ads at every tier.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Incredibly rude tbh
Timboslice8801 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:01:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
RAMPAGE!!! Seriously tho I went to see if the new season was out and it was gone.
EyeAmKnotMyshelf ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:04:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu grabbed it.
Jbidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but where can I see it with no ads?
CosmicSpaghetti ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PirateBay?
Extra_Crispy19 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has a no commercials plan which is the same price as Netflix. Thereโs only 6 shows that still get an ad; getting away with murder, agents of Shield, scandal, greys Anatomy, new girl and once upon a time.
linuxguruintraining ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Papa Roach song?
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On Hulu.
EyeAmKnotMyshelf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Short of buying the DVDs...I wouldnโt know. Pirating them is an option
snegtul ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but hulu is fucking bullshit. So. many. fucking. commercials. Worse yet, it's literally the SAME commercial every commercial break.
EyeAmKnotMyshelf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm one of those entitled fucks who pays for Hulu and watches it maybe once or twice a month. I can deal with an ad or two at that rate. ๐
TiltedZen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The no commercials plan is the same price as Netflix.
snegtul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, and by the time I get done paying for netflix, hulu, amazon prime and youtube red/sling/whateverthefuck I'll be paying the exact same amount as I would if i had cable t.v.
And people wonder why someone would find less-than-legal ways of obtaining entertainment content.
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you want the cheaper plan. The one on par with Netflix doesn't have that problem.
samplemax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:11:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's still available in Canada
ACoderGirl ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:16:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, a decent chunk of shows people say are gone are still here in Canada. I'm starting to suspect Canadian Netflix is the best version.
My spouse is American and we were long distance for a while, so I got to compare them a bit. There's a handful of things I wanted on US Netflix, but far more on Canadian Netflix.
vonmonologue ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:26:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
US Netflix is getting fucked over the same way every other aspects of our lives are getting fucked over. It's getting nickel and dimed and premium-serviced to death. Not Netflix itself, but the media companies that used to be happy to let Netflix stream their shows but pulled out once they saw how much money there was to be made.
You get Netflix for a handful of shows, the Star Trek streaming service for ST:Discovery, Disney's forthcoming streaming app for Star Wars, MCU, and kid's movies, Hulu for TV binging, Crunchyroll for Anime, Amazon for another handful of shows, Britbox for your British shows, HBO Now for GoT, etc etc.
It's an economic Tragedy of the commons where American's disposable income is the resource and every company out there wants an unsustainable portion of it.
It's more expensive now to watch all your favorite shows than it was when we just paid $100/mo for a premium cable lineup. I'd wager we've got a new golden age of piracy coming up the likes of which we haven't seen since the early days of Pirate Bay.
Forget breaking up the monopolies. The Media/Telecom industry needs to be taken out back and beaten to death with a rusty morningstar.
artandmath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:39:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously it's because it takes money to make the shows.
Now that online viewing is becoming the major component, stations have to make up for lost cable revenue by increasing online revenue. Otherwise stations will go out of business, and shows will stop being produced.
Netflix saw the writing on the wall 4-5 years ago when they weren't able to renew contracts and started pumping out "Netflix Originals" to keep ahead of losing all their content.
Hurray_for_Candy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's getting to the point that if Cable were to become reasonably priced I would subscribe again.
Jaujarahje ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing can make me go back to having commercials every 5 minutes, then 2 minutes of recap, then 2 minutes of show, then back to commercial. Nevermind commercials in fucking movies. Last time I pet sat at my moms it reminded me why I gkt rid of cable in the first place
Shirlenator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, shows are what, 20 minutes now? Because they need to have 10 minutes of commercials in their 30 minute time slots?
Jaujarahje ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the standard is 18 minutes now. And thats counting the intro title sequence if the show has one
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the reason I use Roku over the cable box is because cable's On-Demand sucks ass. You have to make sure to record everything you want to watch which is annoying. Cable could absolutely come back if they were able to offer an On Demand service on par with streaming services....like, at the very least, cable's premiums on demand (HBO, Showtime, Starz) should match their 'GO' counterparts...
Timboslice8801 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously I canโt keep up with all of the subscription services and they all have exclusives. I canโt afford HBO, Youtube Red, Spotify, Apple Music, Google Play Music, Netflix, Hulu, Youtube / SlingTV, ESPN Plus, PlayStation Plus, Amazon prime and the eventual Disney platform. The next massive online company is going to offer a streaming rotation bundle with mass buys for people who canโt afford them all at once and donโt want to subscribe / unsubscribe every month. (For the record I donโt have all of those concurrently)
Shirlenator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And we just lost net neutrality so its only going to get worse.
throwawayjayzlazyez ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:21:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny because for a while most Canadians were hungry for American Netflix
Cheeseblanket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cancelled my subscription back when they cracked down on vpns because I'm in Canada and our netflix was an absolute joke. Granted that's about 2 years ago now, maybe it's improved, but it used to be terrible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I used to love VPNs. I'd switch between US, UK and Canada to see if the movie I wanted to watch was on any of them. Or just browse.
Netflix Canada is solidly mediocre now (where before it was garbage and not worth the money). IDK if it's worth the money now, but I'm kind of attached to the convenience and there's a few shows I like that are on there, so it's staying for now. But ads + more shows disappearing + a million shit-quality Netflix Originals, if that all happens I'll probably discontinue eventually.
M-elephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think everyone wants everyone's netflix
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand it really. It's still one company holding the rights to air, right? Why not put everything they own a license for on every 'version'? I see a bunch of upsides and really no negatives...I'll assume it has to do with national copyright laws or something?
M-elephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my understanding is that the copyright is held separately in each country
MaxAddams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sets VPN yes, here in Canada...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix started prohibiting service to detected VPNs. Sadly they have some of the best VPN detection anywhere.
MaxAddams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I must have gotten lucky then, the first free one I found on Google in 2013 is still working for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Keep that shit and baby it and treat it kindly! I use a VPN permanently on my computer for work purposes that I can't disable, and just last week Netflix hit mine with the block
tomanonimos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you guys have hulu in Canada?
ACoderGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not really sure. I don't think so. We do have Prime (I checked it once on a free trial and it was garbage). I do know some people who have Crave (usually with Netflix), which seems to have some of the biggies that are popular on Hulu and HBO. I haven't tried that personally, but have considered it for the future (they have a few shows I'm very interested in).
e22ddie46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They also cockblocked my ability to use chromes hola app to just choose Netflix Canada
YallWholeFace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Terms of en-rampage-ment?
B_B_Rodriguez2716057 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cry havoc and let slip the hogs of war.
Dogs of war.
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't miss much. I literally got bored halfway through it airing, still have to finish the last 4 on Kodi, but have zero desire to. These Dream seasons are absolute shit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FX is owned by Fox which also owns a majority stake in Hulu
(And just replace Fox with Disney once the deal takes effect)
sprucenoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It went to Hulu.
For Netflix to have enough revenue to outbid Hulu, and get back a lot of other content they lost, they might need to do something like show some ads. I wonder which one would upset their subscribers more...
dethandtaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's on Hulu!
gekkemarmot69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try VPN, they might work in other countries
sitdeepstandtall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm that IASIP is available in the UK!
colonel-yum-yum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Archer is still on there for Australia
gekkemarmot69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the Netherlands too
Timboslice8801 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not planning on configuring some convoluted way of setting up a VPN through my Android tv so that I can watch the shows I actually want to on a service that I pay for that has decided to show not-ads to their customers. I like Archer, The Office, and The Clone Wars enough to actually buy the dvds although Iโll have to slowly phase them in because money.
Jedi_Tinmf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IASIP? fuck
Rhodie114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, they removed Archer?
crazed3raser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man I just started IASIP when they removed it. I was on episode 4 and was loving it then was very disappointed when I discovered it gone. Not willing to buy Hulu for it though.
BeHereNow91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Sunny isnโt on Netflix anymore?
jchazu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit IASIP and Archer are no longer on there? =(
Janks_McSchlagg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin Archer is gone?! Weโre done here.
damn_this_is_hard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
blame fox's greed for that, not netflix
AvatarIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
both of those are still on there in the UK.
dethandtaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Archer is on Hulu.
plzdontkillmecomcast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basically everything I used Netflix for. I'm done with Netflix. I don't see how they thought they could bring more bs in, drop all the good shows, and slowly increase prices without people ditching.
TheAngryBlackGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Always Sunny is gone
superlethalman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, that one's still here on UK Netflix.
Mortar_Maggot ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 15:07:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the cable companies pulling them because they have a stake in Hulu. They want them only on Hulu.
KoaliBear ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:15:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet if Hulu were to successfully put Netflix out of business, they'd promptly start showing ads again or raise the price of the no ad sub.
e22ddie46 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:36:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This guy monopolies
theyetisc2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is 100% what they'll do.
They charge for cable because it was supposed to be ad free.
Once they get enough subs on hulu, or whatever parameters their people have set, they'll start brainfucking their viewers with commercials again.
I don't know why people are willing to support hulu. The cable companies had their chance to adapt, wait over a decade, and are now using their monopoly power to destroy the competition.
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why people are willing to support hulu/netflix/youtube with their egregious design philosophies.
Okay, I do know why, but I feel like the world would be a better place if people had more energy and free time to raise a stink about these awful things that don't seem so bad on the surface.
waltjrimmer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's their intent. They want to put Netflix out of business so that only network owned streaming services are major contenders (watch them go after Amazon eventually) so they can recreate cable packages and prices and other bullshit that made us leave all that in the first place.
jonicrecheio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They already have and it's infuriating.
Coridan1984 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you need a cable subscription (or use your parents/grandparents subscription info) to see many Hulu shows
Edit: If you want to watch certain shows day after airing, Fox shows as an example, you need a linked cable subscription. Otherwise you have to wait a week.
PMach ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:01:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? That's patently false.
Coridan1984 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to watch certain shows day after airing, Fox shows as an example, you need a linked cable subscription. Otherwise you have to wait a week.
ihatenewaccts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu isn't live TV though. At least not anymore. Plenty of shows release just like Netflix where they release the whole season at once when it's done airing.
You do have to pay extra for like Showtime/HBO style packages though and I find that annoying. I'm not paying $15 to watch GoT.
PMach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, interesting. Yeah, that little perk isn't worth having cable.
Coridan1984 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily my mom has cable and no interest in Hulu so I just connected her account to mine
PucktheFlames ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:58:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I've had Hulu for 4 years, no you don't lol
jadarisphone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol lol lol
torev ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 14:47:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Buffy and Chuck were hard loses for me.
Trodamus ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:54:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never watched Buffy despite many recommendations. Saw it was on Netflix and added it to my list. Got notified of its removal like two days later.
DamienStark ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:07:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It went to Hulu along with most of the other shows leaving Netflix.
If you do manage start it there, give it some slack through season 1. It doesn't really come into its own until at least season 2. Gradually improves and most of the best episodes are in the later seasons.
soswinglifeaway ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:45:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was so surprised by how much I ended up loving Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I put it on one day while I was home sick. Just wanted something on in the background while I drifted in and out of sleep that I didn't need to pay much attention to. The first several episodes were cheesy and pretty much met my expectations. But somewhere along the way the show really matured and introduced a lot of great character development, deeper storylines, and comic relief and I found myself binging all seven seasons in a relatively short amount of time. Don't get me wrong, it retains a certain level of cheesiness throughout the entire series, but I really fell in love with the characters and honestly the cheesiness is part of the charm!
DamienStark ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:52:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a friend who kept trying to convince us to watch it, and we all kept rolling our eyes at him. "Sure man, we're all gonna watch some hokey high-school drama with low-budget action sequences based on a mediocre movie."
Then Firefly came out and we were all blown away by it. He was like "um, guys, that's the same writer as Buffy, with the same writing style." We groaned and said "fine, we'll give Buffy a chance."
18 years later I've now watched Buffy start to finish at least 3 times and would put it in my top 10 shows of all time.
Rick, wherever you are now, thanks.
yoshemitzu ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:05:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was almost too ahead of its time. You could put the later seasons on TV now as "new shows" and they'd still hold up, even though Buffy premiered in 1996.
It really defined the sort of simultaneously quirky irreverence, while maintaining absolute sincerity for its own lore, that has gone from niche nerd TV to popular genre fare in the intervening 20 years, and still defines a lot of popular blockbuster cinema, like the Marvel movies.
Edit: Which it occurs to me, isn't surprising, since Joss Whedon wrote the first two Avengers movies.
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Buffy was revolutionary in one key aspect: It was the first western "real" show to acknowledge the fact that Dragonball Z exists.
Okay, I don't know if that's true or not, but it was such a surreal moment when that happens because that just wasn't something people did on TV.
ClementineCarson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Angel? It continues some of the best character development from Buffy, especially Wesley
soswinglifeaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the first ~3 seasons of it a few years ago. Never got around to finishing it. I didn't quite connect with it the same way I did with Buffy. Is it worth finishing?
ClementineCarson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you watched that much and never connected I think you gave it a fair shot
Jaymzkerten ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:01:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been finding a lot of popular shows need to be given the 1 season treatment. The first show we had to do this with was Star Trek: TNG, where we knew the show was supposed to be great, but god the first season was so painful to get through. We've since adopted the "TNG treatment" for new shows and it has helped us suffer through stuff like the beginning of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and The Office to get to the good stuff.
DamienStark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Parks and Rec gets off to a weak start too.
Sports Night (Aaron Sorkin pre-West Wing) is one of my top favorites too, but the pilot has a bad laugh track (later on series ditches the laugh track completely) and the acting seems kind of strained and exaggerated. Have to get a few episodes in before they find their footing.
My usual rule now is to watch at least 3 episodes before making up my mind on a new show. Powering through a whole season though is a pretty tough ask unless you have multiple people reassuring you that it does get way better.
Jaymzkerten ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the case of TNG, we knew that it was a good show, and my wife even remembered it being good (she saw a lot of it growing up). She knew that it started off "slow", which was an understatement as season 1 was painful. After that hump it definitely picked up, so we've been willing to give long-running shows the chance for the cast to figure out their roles and start to click with each other. Usually that only takes a few episodes, sometimes it takes the whole first season. AoS was especially bad and cringy up until halfway through season 1, then the show felt like it did a 180.
aspidities_87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, seasons 2-3 is really where it found its stride and become iconic, imo.
cjg_000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nexflix had the shitty version of Buffy anyways.
https://youtu.be/F28XcxHxH6k
mmersault ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chuck is on Amazon Prime.
morganella732 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs only for purchase though I believe
mmersault ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I was streaming it for free about a month or so ago.
morganella732 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I havenโt checked in a few months, just saw that youโre right! Super excited to rewatch now
lirael423 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. My husband was streaming it earlier this month.
jeffsterlive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chuck is gone? This makes us sad. ๐ญ
Piderman113 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:50:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Psych is on the Amazon Prime streaming service. Was pretty sad until I realized that.
AmarantCoral ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 14:54:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon Prime already does what Netflix are doing though. Ads for shows on the platform between episodes. It's infuriating.
EDIT: This seems to vary by region and/or platform so let me clear it up. I am in the UK. They are not skippable for me, at least on Amazon Fire TV.
Thathappenedearlier ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:01:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess Adblock blocks those because I havenโt got those yet.
Nastycracker30 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:08:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch on a PS4 so Adblock doesn't exist. Never seen an ad on Amazon prime. Been watching for years.
PM_UR_FRUIT_GARNISH ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:22:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on Xbone and I haven't seen an ad on Prime, either.
Psychwrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon fire stick here, occasionally it plays an ad before a show. They're all skippable from the off though so it doesn't bother me really.
caninehere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've been watching it via an app on my TV, same deal. No ads.
lotsoquestions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Start using Pi-hole and upgrade your life with network-wide ad blocking.
bovilexia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen them on my PS4 but have seen them on my Fire Stick.
Minimum_Presence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use a PS3 and get ads for โin houseโ amazon productions before many movies.
R1_TC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've recently been getting ads on PS4 and my phone for that new John Krasinski action show
lexm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It started about 3 weeks ago for me when I went through the 1st season of Mrs Maisel.
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch on PS4, I just watched 2 ads today during a 4 show background noise.
pocketknifeMT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:21 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just get 30sec of black screen time.
CarpeNivem ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does this vary by platform or something? I've never seen a single ad on Amazon Prime.
(...but I use the PS3 app, so...?)
Piderman113 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yea, that part sucks for sure. But I was just trying to mention that they actually have the show since Netflix doesnโt anymore.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:04:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except that those commercials for their shows can be skipped. At least they can in the platforms I use (Amazon on a web browser and the Amazon prime video iphone app).
arniegrape ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:07:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten unskippable ads on desktop and the Xbox app for Amazon. Which is pretty high up the list of reasons I'm planning on dumping prime when my account is up.
jopnk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
do you just not use amazon for anything else? I've had prime for years for the free shipping and whatnot, but I didn't even realize you get the video and music with you subscription until a few months ago
arniegrape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda hilarious. I don't know how you could use Amazon and not be aware of Prime Video.
I've been a prime subscriber since before there was a streaming service. Just like you, I originally subscribed for the "free" shipping. But service and selection have gotten worse, they have a pretty significant counterfeit problem, package delivery has been pretty spotty (which is not necessarily on them, all the time), and Prime Shipping is anywhere from next day to next week nowadays, so it really doesn't mean much. I've tried the music service, and it didn't have content that interested me. Prime Video is okay, but I think only okay. Combined with the price increase, I just don't think the services are worth the total price anymore.
jopnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was aware of it but I just assumed it was cheap rentals or stuff I wouldn't be interested in watching. Never paid any attention to it until the Grateful Dead doc came out and I realized it was the only way to watch it outside of an illegal streaming service or torrent. I agree with you on everything else for the most part tho
Piderman113 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch mostly on my Xbox and I think you can fast forward thru them. Theyโre like 5-10 seconds long so I donโt even bother. They donโt really bug me much in all honesty since theyโre so short and only at the start.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, one of those commercials got me interested in Mrs. Maisel. All I had seen before was the picture ads and I thought it was some cutesy show about something I wouldn't be interested. (Same thing happened with Netflix's Santa Clarita Diet). I really enjoyed both shows, for different reasons and I wouldn't have given them a try just from the cover art.
AmarantCoral ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok, that makes sense!
DamienStark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and the volume isn't calibrated right. The Amazon ads are way louder than the actual show content. Might be a switch from surround back to stereo.
armylax20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm on the 3rd season of the Americans and Iโve never seen a promo or ad between episodes. HBO does it though.
erial_ck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are 100% skippable ads at least. And I did find my new favourite show because of them so I can't really complain.
danjr321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one not mad about seeing an ad for another show before the episode? I don't get random ads every 10 minutes during the show so i am fine with one ad for another piece of their content before an episode plays.
jiodjflak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? The only ad I've ever seen on Prime Video was for the new season of The Man In High Castle, and even then it was only on the phone app.
I'm in Canada though, might be different here than in the states.
dethandtaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do? I watch it on my X1 and I've never seen them.
BenedictKhanberbatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly thereโs a skip button right there and itโs a free service if you have Prime so Iโm not as mad about it.
lexm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This should be the top comment. Amazon is already pushing their content between episodes!
__WayDown ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:45:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure where you live, but they recently added ATLA back onto the Canadian one. It was gone for a while before.
balthizor1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:01:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I miss all the Stargates :(
notickeynoworky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have them on Hulu.
TheMonsterWithinYou ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:01:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not their fault.
They canโt keep shows not owned by them etc. especially now that Disney owns like Half of Hollywood
barbaric_banana ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:51:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're getting rid of It's Always Sunny too, I think in December (edit: apparently I'm slow and it's already gone, they removed it last December)
Cannonbaal ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:04:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's been gone I beleive
Franimal26 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was removed this past December.
PM_4_Friendship ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Psych and avatar are on Amazon prime
soccerburn55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know that's right... :(
quantumphilisp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not them that are removing it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its less them removing it and more it getting taken from them
KillNyetheSilenceGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Disney bought Fox and is removing all of Fox's content from Netflix because Disney owns part of Hulu.
caninehere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon Video is generally complete shit (at least here in Canada) but they do have 30 Rock, I am watching it now for the first time. They also have P&R.
Might be different in the US though since you guys have Hulu.
Minimum_Presence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
South Park, workaholics, king of the hill, SNL, etc too
Jombo65 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was on te last episode of 30 ROCK when it got removed. Same thing with Young Justice.
TheLastBlahf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar was put back on a couple of weeks ago
Sw429 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What country are you in? I don't think it's on there where I live.
Silent_Glass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They had Everybody Loves Raymond and they deleted it :(
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar: The Last Airbender is currently on Canadian netflix FYI. Not sure when it came back. I'm bingeing it before it's gone again.
Meocross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? Avatar the Last Airbender?
Why the heck should i subscribe to their service then? I'm better off buying from CD Japan.
realmadrid314 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Psych and Sunny for me :(
NinjaGuy206 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was saddened when they removed Psych. I'm currently on my first rewatch of the series through amazon video which is included if you have amazon prime.
Also I'm learning that Netflix had Avatar at some point!
d3gree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doctor who, battlestar galactica
olivier188 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live in france and they still have Avatar the last Airbender but I was sad as well when they took off psych
MaverickTopGun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's the point but their own lineup of shows is really good. Glow, Orange is the New Black ,Season 1 of Stranger Things, I actually like the newest Arrested Development. People bitch about cable and netflix not having what they want when all they want is cable shit.
LoSboccacc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Top Gear too. Netflix catalog here in Italy is scarce to begin with, the declining quality of their mass production and the sprinkle of advertisement were enough to make me cancel earlier this month
farleymfmarley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has taken on a bunch of these shows, Iโm not trying to say buy a subscription but if you get rid of Netflix or like me already had a sub and never used it, you can get your fill. Iโm keeping Netflix til that 70s show and the ranch leave and then Iโm done lol they got rid of the best shit
Koriania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally all of these are on Amazon prime - free streaming if you have prime.
erial_ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm watching Psych at the moment on Amazon Prime (in Canada). It's great for finding slightly older shows.
BossManONE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They took psych?!!!! Where's my pitchfork??
Bpande20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I commented this further down, but thought it might help if more people see it. This website has a bunch of good shows (e.g. Avatar), and you can suggest new ones to be added.
http://pixa.club/en/series/
Kamahoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Psych, monk, and all the old USA shows are on Amazon prime video so if you got that you can still watch them :)
iPlod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar was actually recently brought back to Netflix, but I think itโs in Canada only.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt remove them. The companies that own them do.
icemoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
tbf some if not most aren't their fault. When a company gets greedy and wants more money for their shows because they know netflix will back out at their exorbitant prices of tripling what it was before because they want to make thier own platform. Its like when mcdonalds remove the mcrib because pork prices too high, cant get mad cause you both know you wont pay 8.79 for a mcrib meal when the shits 4$ before
frosty374 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Futurama
danielzboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live in South East Asia, and while there is ALTA (which I am watching for the first time and itโs super awesome!) but there is no Office :(
AvatarWaang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont forget Futurama and IASIP
president2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear Netflix is basically a monthly โThe Officeโ subscription for my house. If that ever goes away, we would consider dropping it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Malcolm in the Middle :( Always Sunny :(
cisxuzuul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They usually have no choice in the removal. Thatโs up to the show owners.
dethandtaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Psych is on Prime Video and 30 Rock is on Hulu I believe.
Sw429 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So now I have to get multiple subscriptions to different services?
dethandtaxes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The cost of Hulu + Netflix is still less than cable and if you're dropping Netflix for a piece of product awareness content then you might as well pick up Hulu. Plus free two day shipping and a bunch of other benefits makes Prime more than worth it. So yes, you're dropping one service to access another service and adding a second service that does way more than providing streaming content.
Sw429 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, I didn't think about how prime is more than just video :)
f_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not their choice to keep or remove popular third-party content. Their competitors don't want to make it easy for Netflix to compete. Their money doesn't go as far as it used to when signing deals.
breusch91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately a lot of the ones people are listing are not the fault of Netflix. That is Disney's fault. Disney owns Fox and Hulu, so any Fox/FX shows and many other Disney shows have been/will be pulled so they can be on Hulu
oTHEWHITERABBIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Old media is trying to squeeze Netflix of their library and takeover. See: Hulu. It's a simple business strategy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to sound like a troll, but if you want to watch the same shows more than once, why not just buy the DVDs? I use Netflix to watch shows I've never seen before.
w_v ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
ashervisalis ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 14:50:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Half the time I open Netflix to find something to watch I end up not finding anything, closing it, and finding something more productive to do.
XanXic ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:54:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do this and it's because the interface is chaotic and the auto play trailers are assaulting.
Why can I not just open it up and it be on my Watchlist? What's the point of a list I create when I have to scroll up from the start for it. "oh it's not there" Guess I'll have to scroll down until it shows up. Music and trailers blaring because the interface pauses on every row as you cycle through so it can load for that square.
I don't like it anymore. I can't just pop on and boot up what I want to watch. A lot of my favorite bingeable/background shows are gone Futurama/IASIP. And I feel like I'm looking at about 80 titles in different orders in different rows with music going the whole time.
I need a fucking "pinned" watch list and auto trailers disabled.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:46:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I hate the autoplay trailers. Especially because there's no way to stop them!!!
koopatuple ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, so much this! I was just ranting about this the other day. I paused one show in the living room and loaded up Netflix in my bedroom to continue where I left off while getting ready for bed. You'd think that your mid-session show would be the first thing on the list with a button, "Resume watching," displayed. Nope, it wants to blare some new Netflix Original #12039320498 in my face while making the Last Played/Continue Watching bar as unintuitive and annoying to find as possible.
geeky_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First list should be Continue Watching
Second list should be My List
EVERYTHING ELSE AFTER THAT!
I shouldn't have to scroll pass "What's Popular on Netflix", "Trending Now", and "Netflix Originals" before I get to MY shit.
bettareckognize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Netflix is great because we just use my father-in-law's account. If I had to pay for it I'm not sure I'd be that keen on a service I fire up twice a week at most, now. That being said they do produce several things a year I get pretty hyped about.
ACoderGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't relate to this at all. My Netflix watch list has over a hundred items on it and it grows faster than it shrinks. The catch is that the "way to use Netflix" is to browse it freely to find things that interest you, not search for specific things (which odds are, won't be there).
The hard part for me, honestly, is committing to starting a new show. Same with starting a new video game. It can be easier to just watch something I know I love (like Archer, Bob's Burgers, or Brooklyn 99). Also, I find that there's too many longer TV shows vs shorter ones. I often find myself thinking "ok, I want a short episode of something before bed" but everything on my list is hour long TV (well, technically usually 45-ish minutes because no commercials) or even longer movies.
AmarantCoral ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:56:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending the ads, I don't want them either, but it is ironic that this is exactly the reason they decided to introduce them.
Cannonbaal ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:06:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not, if so they are treating a symptom not the cause, The cause is their programming availability has been steadily decreasing in quality for the past two years. It's now an anime and Netflix Original channel that can show other shows and movies sometimes to. Sometimes Netflix shows are great, sometimes not at all
rlbond86 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a symptom too.
Netflix got big and had tons of content because the networks and studios greatly underestimated the value of streaming. They signed contracts with Netflix for very little money.
Now everybody and their mother wants to get into the streaming game, so they've raised prices enormously, so Netflix can't afford nearly as much programming anymore.
ChaosAE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they have a shit anime selection and don't simulcast so they really can't hit that market very hard. Yes they have a few classics but that is it really. As for originals, none of them have impressed me so far.
jaigon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It does suck, but then again, paying $10 for Netflix will always be better than $70+ for comcast.
I like anime and some of the originals, so I don't really mind. Am now thinking about Hulu or Amazon, are they any better than Netflix?
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you order more than 10 items a year from Amazon, Prime is a No-Brainer...the video selection is..different..than Netflix or Hulu. Lots of older classics, a few good original series, then Vikings and Hannibal are all I use the video for. But again, Prime's other perks are often overlooked.
Hulu, absolutely. They most likely have what you can't find on Netflix, and they've been scooping up licenses that expire on Netflix (Archer, IASIP, Futurama, etc).
Cannonbaal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Vikings was sooo good.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah it was, I can't believe THE HISTORY CHANNEL produced it...between Vikings and Hannibal alone it's worth grabbing for a month or two, and then you got The Man in the High Castle, Electric Sheep, something's I'm forgetting, and some really good (and some laughably bad) documentaries.
AtomicManiac ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:10:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their movie selection has gotten a lot better this year. I agree though, for shows - which you'd think would be the life blood of the service, they're seriously behind.
They need to start producing more stuff that are geared towards that crowd - Passing on Brooklyn Nine Nine was one of the biggest mistakes they've made recently. I think they should take a year and just produce nothing but shows. If they could generate a "The Office" or "Breaking Bad" caliber show or two they'd be set.
antillus ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:13:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think what a lot of people want in 2018 are TV shows that are funny and smart, but low drama. This is why Brooklyn 99 was so great..it was inoffensive and easy watching in a really shitty year. I also really liked Community.
After a stressful day at work with a bunch of drama in the news and everywhere else, I just want to come home and watch something chill that I don't have to expend too much mental energy on.
AtomicManiac ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:51:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I'd be real interested to see and am somewhat flabbergasted isn't yet a thing - Netflix sponsoring short films by bigger names.
Imagine a 20 minute Wes Andersen film. A 20 minute Christopher Nolan film. Hell give actors with an interest in film making a shot - BJ Novak (Ryan from the Office) Ryan Gosling (he directed the second unit on Only God Forgives).
Call it "Netflix Presents" or something like that and offer up some contests for budding film makers to submit their films to be considered alongside.
I think now is the time that short films should really shine, but few "big names" are producing them and so few people consider them to be a serious form of art, but shows like Breaking Bad have shown us that content meant for the small screen can be just as amazing if not more so than the stuff that ends up on the big screen.
random_guy_11235 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I would love that, but short films are an incredibly unpopular art form. Pretty much every attempt to bring them into the mainstream has failed (although Pixar had some brief success).
KenpachiRama-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has a series from Rocketjump where the first half of an episode is a making of documentary for a short film and the second half is the actual short film.
The only problem is that it's always the same people working on everything. I'd love something similar where a studio gives some amateur filmmaker a modest budget to make whatever 20-30 minute film they want and document the whole thing.
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is it would still cost a shitload of money to get those types of people to produce something that short.
Because those types of people are generally involved in larger projects, and taking that small project might cost them a larger opportunity.
Yes, I agree, for arts sake it would be a fabulous idea. But most people in the entertainment industry are doing it for business.
What you want already exists as film festivals. And netflix buys some of those films.
AtomicManiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing though - Netflix HAS the money. They did 26 episodes of House of Cards for ~100 million. Meaning about 4 million per episode.
If that's what they're willing to spend on their highest quality content it's definitely more than enough. Seeing as how a lot of short films could be done in just a few locations, few company moves, and with a shorter script you're talking a week of production (or less) instead of the typical 30-45 days.
It absolutely makes business sense for Netflix who can build a library of exclusives from big names, and for the directors who could easily get paid a million of that 4 mil budget (and netflix would still be well under that 4 Mil price point even).
farleymfmarley ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:46:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think youโre spot on bro, shit that has me thinking about the plot and having to constantly process little details and whatnot makes me feel anxious, literally. I constantly have that 70s show or something similar streaming because I donโt have to focus on it if I get busy.
doublebwl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All theyโve got that fits the bill there is One Day at a Time. Itโs amazing, but not enough to satisfy everyone (its only 13 episodes a season).
GreenGemsOmally ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm rewatching Star Trek TNG. It's a hopeful show and nice to think that some people still believe in the idea that human beings could find some kind of post-scarcity utopia some day.
It's drama free and generally a happy show.
theyetisc2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I liked parks and rec, 30rock, and to a lesser extent the office (not that i enjoyed the office less, just sometimes it took a bit more 'effort' to endure because of stuff likes scotts tots).
I don't want my comedies to have drama shit in them, I'm watching them to laugh.
Like in parks and rec when ben took april to washington (or wherever), in any other comedy they'd have had it turn into an affair, ruin the entire dynamic of the show and characters relationships, and make the whole thing a stinking drama.
You shouldn't have to worry about that sort of shit when watching a comedy. I've got enough bullshit in my own life, I don't need fictional tv characters causing me to feel bad.
Banch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I know shows like American Dad and Futurama aren't the smartest thing or have the greatest plots ever but I don't want that. I'm looking for monster of the week kinda episodes from my shows.
GreenGemsOmally ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"monster of the week" kind of episodes is exactly why I love Star Trek TNG as my no-drama background noise show.
rebeltrillionaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I watched Billions, Westworld, Altered Carbon, Game of Thrones, Big Little Lies, Handmaid's Tale, Bojack, This is Us, Black Mirror, Marvelous Miss Maisel, Mr. Robot, and just started Suits.
Out of the comedies I've seen this year: Silicon Valley, Archer, The Good Place, Rick and Morty, Curb, Big Mouth, Will and Grace, F is for Family, a lot of those were either heavy/dark comedy, or had a lot of drama in them.
I think it's the opposite, very very few shows were able to really be lighthearted optimistic comedy. Also in a lot of cases these just weren't very good years for those shows.
The best lighthearted comedy on television is Inside the NBA with Charles Barkley, Ernie Johnson, Kenny Smith, and Shaq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKroIlKdio
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't behind, they're being attacked by the cable networks.
poopsmith666 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 15:06:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Back to torrents it is.
antillus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will too if I can figure out how to do the subtitles properly.
ACoderGirl ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it's pretty easy to find subtitles because there's wonderful communities that make subs for most languages. Googling "<movie or episode name> subs" will easily find one of them. Look for SRT files (anything else is probably malicious). A good media player (I like VLC) can play the subs fine. If your video or the subs are weird, you might have to resync the subs by giving them a slight offset. The odds of that can be avoided by looking for subs with a similar name as the video file.
Honestly, the subs are the easy part these days, I feel. Torrent sites have really declined in quality in recent years, presumably due to constant takedowns and the rise of legal streaming sites like Netflix (certainly I feel no need to use torrents if there's a streaming option).
Brillegeit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
VLC also has extensions for finding subs, you just open the video and select view->download subtitles, and the video title is already filled out in the search field. Click the desired language in the search results and the sub is automatically added.
Average_Giant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Woah!!! I can't wait to try this
Brillegeit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tools->Extensions and search for "vlsub" for more information about getting it.
poopsmith666 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:10:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of torrents I've found lately have selectable subtitle tracks for many languages, it's awesome.
Great for those snippets of foreign language in certain movies and shows. And especially anime.
stonemite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like how to get them or how to use them? Because really the answer is a Google search away.
rotide ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so this is my experience.
Start watching movie. Non-English dialog starts... Was I supposed to have subtitles? Sometimes they mean for you to not know what the exact words are and you get the gist from the emotion, etc.
More non-english. This time for an extended period.
Ok, now I'm supposed to have subtitles.
Pause the movie. Go into settings to see what SRT files my player sees (PleX). Oh, three labeled "English".
Select the first one. Have to rewind so we get the dialog we missed. Hit play and the foreign language is subtitled. Sweet!
But now ALL the dialog is subtitled. @#$(
Go back into settings and try the 2nd English one.
Woo, now it's just the foreign parts!
But sometimes it's the 3rd option and I've even had downloads which were all or nothing, forcing me to go out to a 3rd party site, download the SRT, upload it to the plex server, restart the movie to rescan for SRTs and then HOPE the SRT is appropriate (timed properly) for my version.
It's a fucking pain in the ass and I know how to use them.
Skadwick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This has been my solution to finding shows and movies that are too difficult to access otherwise. I went probably three or four years without torrenting and now I am being pushed back to it because paying for content has become too inconvenient again, or when it is convenient it is either over priced or riddled with ads.
theyetisc2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For real. I will pay a dollar for an episode of whatever network show, but I'm not paying 3, that's just too much to ask for.
I fail to see how $10-15 for a season of your 20-30 minute episode show is not fair.
Here's an example, 30 rock. (which is actually quite reasonably priced because it's old and available on streaming sites)
Season 1 streaming, $3 an episode, or $18 for the season. Or you could just buy the DvD and actually OWN it for real for $10.
The complete series on DVD is $100. S1 18, S2-S7 20 each. So 138 dollars for the "privilege" of only being able to watch it on Amazon's platform.
Fuck you online entertainment pricing. If I can buy the DVD AND get a digital copy (as virtually everything comes with some retarded virtual copy on some defunct platform) for less than your online bullshit... you're not going to get my money.
I just don't understand why it's cheaper to actually buy something physical, actually own it for real, than it is to buy a license to watch it.
And until that changes I will not buy things (unless certain circumstances are met, movie with friends/the family or something like that) where I would be very willing to pay for the convenience if it was priced appropriately.
I'm sure they've done the math and the people willing to pay those prices more than make up for the people like me though. So really, they shouldn't complain about streaming or torrents since they're fully aware they're the problem.
Labubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because people are seriously THAT lazy. They know they could go down to Best-Buy/Wal-Mart or even better, preowned from FYE(if they still exist) or a pawn shop (my personal favorite source for physical media, was able to get all 6 seasons' DVD sets of BrBa for $40....it takes a bit of luck, but there are so amazing deals to be had for physical media on the second hand market. Sadly, the bigger a town's drug problems, the better selection you'll find... :-), but why get up and actually go out and see real people when you can spend a bit more to start watching NOW (and only on that platform).
ADHthaGreat ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:29:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please. There are plenty of alternative sources. That excuse doesn't work anymore.
You stingy motherfuckers are just looking for free stuff now.
wingedcoyote ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...like what? I mean it, if there's another way to watch a wide variety of content that's convenient, portable, and ad-free I'd love to know about it.
Edit: And not laughably expensive, like subscribing to cable. I'm happy to pay but come on now.
XanXic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could purchase the shows/movies digitally? I only say it because it IS a valid option instead of things like Netflix and still supports the show/movie. While it's pretty pricey it can be seen as a one time investment into owning the content that's easier to access than bluray's/DVD's.
Movies Anywhere really solves a lot of the problems buying movies from certain stores caused. And it's less work than pirating. You buy it and it's on everything you've linked your account to. Renting is pretty affordable.
But movies are the only thing I really look at, when you catch them on sale it's very worth it. TV Shows are expensive. I could understand their prices as a DVD box set back in the day but still trying to sell me a 12 year old show for $120 is fucking insane. I don't understand why TV shows in particular are so obscene in price.
theyetisc2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paying $20-30 to stream a season of TV is bullshit, demonstrated by every streaming service that exists, including the shit asshole cable companies themselves run.
Until whatever service you've purchased from doesn't exist, or sells rights, or cancels your "ownership" for whatever reason.
Also, the idea of "investing" in a movie/tv show is laughable. Especially considering if you have no internet connection you're just fucked.
XanXic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I said tv shows are expensive
I thought about mentioning that but I thought that a new digital format (4k-8k-OMEGAHD!!!) would probably come out before Google, Apple or Amazon died. It's why I mentioned Blurays/DVD's, they are a good example of "investing in media" that's being phased out. I know it could happen but I haven't seen any example of ownership cancelled. The music service has been running off this model forever.
You can't pirate without internet either. You can't stream Netflix without internet. You can download your purchased stuff for offline viewing. After you pirate you have it on your PC and Netflix allows you to download originals for offline viewing. They all need internet initially.
I didn't say it was the best option. I'm putting it out there as an option. People act like piracy has no downsides for anyone and is the only alternative to Netflix. It fucks over the shows you watch specifically because you aren't putting your eyes on it in a way the people who fund it can see or are giving them your money.
The best option would just be buy Blurays (New preferably) rip them yourself and setup a home media server. They get your money, you get the files and access. And the price isn't astronomical.
Arch_0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are not. Plus if you live outside the US enjoy having everything spoiled for you long before it reaches your country. Also most people don't want to pay for a dozen different streaming services which is the way the industry is heading.
I imagine piracy went down during the prime years of Netflix but as it loses more content to different services I'd bet piracy increases again.
poopsmith666 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:46:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Show me these alternatives and I'll use them lol.
EcoleBuissonniere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:42:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, if I'm watching a show online that finished years ago, I have no qualms with getting it for free. At that point, by buying it, I'm not rewarding the creative team for their work, or supporting the show in any way. All paying for it does is stuff some corporate pockets - and when my choice is doing that or getting it for free, I find it entirely morally reasonable to get it for free.
cicadawing ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:48:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More time searching than viewing shows.
Altimaz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All of the responses below made me realize that I need to cancel my subscription.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:54:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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XxFezzgigxX ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:05:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, letโs be honest; itโs easy pickings.
WhyWouldYouPoopThere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, but it still feels like you're watching the same stand up routine 10 times in row, but the person on stage changes. It gets boring really fast.
I wonder if Susan Rice or the Obamas (all working for Netflix) are just greenlighting all of them to get back at Trump.
thefablemuncher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I highly recommend The Crown and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. These two are easily the best shows Netflix made (though Schmidt is an NBC production but it still counts).
Mindhunter and Bojack Horseman are also good but nothing too extraordinary. Also even though I personally don't like it you might want to give Stranger Things a shot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:23 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I lied when I said I don't watch any, my gf and I just finished season two of the Crown earlier. I used to watch BJH but I stopped a few seasons ago
captjackjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most of them really fizzle out halfway through the season and a disappointing. This goes for most of the popular ones too. They all start with an interesting premise and characters and just fall flat.
SmartSoda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is their organization system. Tons of repeated shows in different genres and it's very difficult to search past 200 shows/movies unless you make a huge investment of time.
stinkybumbum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I take turns on streaming subs. Use Netflix for a year, cancel and use Amazon, cancel and use Now TV, cancel and go back to Netflix. Helps keep contect fresh.
KittyCatTroll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Hulu is stealing them all. We just waste our money on both.
menofmaine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife wanted Hulu, we bummed on familyโs Netflix, so I paid a year and now we find ourselves 90% of the time being on Hulu and only really going to Netflix to check a show someone recommends. I feel like Netflix is garbage about actually showing you shows similar to what you have already watched. Watch all comedy here is a 90% match for a romance movie that we are pushing for money, at least thatโs how it feels.
itseasy123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You lost me when you took away Itโs Always Sunny, Netflix. But THIS IS THE FINAL STRAW
MarioKartGuy27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost all Fox and disney shows are leaving... Nothing left to watch other than stranger things in october...> really don't know why I waste the money on the service... and if they do start showing commercials, then fuck it, i'll just go back to cable so I have all the choices in shows I want.
BiffMckraken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, lately ive been only on Amazon prime. First advertisement im gone.
bigfootcantimetravel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Its like 90 percent murder porn these days
Isak_Svensson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as all of Star Trek is off of Netflix so am I. That is the only reason I still use it.
roeder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh well, I got a great internet connection now and a vpn. I loved paying for Netflix and the likes for no ads and such, but Iโll start pirating again then.
pencil-thin-mustache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All you can find are originals shoved down your throat now. Anything non Netflix is gone or buried.
Hellhammercurls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is so true. They definitely have a lot of content, but I hate having to scroll through tons of bullshit to find something to watch. Itโs honestly almost not even worth the subscription anymore.
RussianBearFight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly if it weren't for BoJack Horseman I wouldn't have a reason to keep my subscription. That and the X-Files are the only things I watch and last I checked they took X-Files off
GlitteringAerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been moving away more and more. I do use it for my kids though. They watch kids content on Netflix all the time, which is basically the only reason I haven't canceled. If I didn't have kids, I wouldn't bother paying for Netflix anymore. Every so often there will be a show or documentary that interests me, but at that point I might as well just stream it via other means.
123full ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They just added disenchantment which is great so check that out
EndersScroll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they advertised some of their content somehow we could find more shows we liked.
burritosandpuppies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs basically a The Office streaming platform for me.
spicymciceice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally the office. if they start commercials I'm done and I'll just pay the extra for Hulu cuz it actually has decent shows
happyhippohats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's batshit crazy to me that you still can't even look at a full list of shows by genre without going to a (probably out of date) third party website ...
wanson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they should highlight some of their content for you so you can find new stuff to watch?
Dr_Sasquatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, itโs really not worth it anymore. I use Hulu more than anything and I donโt mind commercials there only because I got it free as a student. Their โpay more for less commercialsโ Tiering system is awful.
tymandude1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix needs a curator system like Steam where community members, personalities, and review sites can make their own lists, reviews, and recommendations that you can subscribe to. That system honestly fixed a lot of issues with Steam's front page being flooded with shit so you couldn't find games you might actually like.
pocketknifeMT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:32 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was bound to happen when all the content owners realized they had leased the golden goose to Netflix instead of collecting eggs themselves.
Non_vulgar_account ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
THIS IS WHY THEYRE TRYING TO PUT IN PROMOTIONS FOR THEIR CONTENT. Do you not see the irony in your statement about what Netflix is doing?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since you have to either browse with the stupid horizontal sliders (which are always only a subset of all content in given category) or search specifically.
It's less and less what it used to be and more of a shit show every year. Basically just a "curated experience." We've passed through the golden era of streaming video services, IMO. Now they're all shattered into who owns what content rights.
Sucks. Disney will have their platform released soon, too, which is going to even further break things up.
jcy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the quality of their Marvel productions fell off the cliff after the 1st season of Daredevil. they made the other shows for middle aged feminists instead of real comics fans. like how the 2nd season of Jessica Jones didn't even have a villain, just a shitty arc
Meatrocket688 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was some sort of automated recommendation system that would suggest a show based on one's you'd been watching
OrangeCassetteTapes ยท 659 points ยท Posted at 14:47:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm already annoyed that they play the goddamn trailers with loud music on the menu screen now. Canโt even respond to a text without your tv blaring music. This would definitely be another clue that they donโt really care what users want, and a last straw for me. Plus the lack of content besides Netflix Originals is getting depressing.
[deleted] ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 14:55:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely hate that autoplay trailer thing. I end up angrily smashing the mute button. I didn't think that nonsense would have lasted this long.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:02:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It increased people's likelyhood to watch a new show, on average
armylax20 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:19:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Source on that? I wouldnโt think that is info Netflix would divulge
TheRealFender ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:26:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are extremely data driven. If it didn't work, they'd turn it off.
Stormfly ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it works on me.
It's why I watched both Final Space and Insatiable.
I actually quite liked both so I'm both annoyed but accepting at the same time. It also made me add two others to my list that I'll probably watch over the next week. It's great when I have nothing to watch, but it's TERRIBLE when I don't want it.
I wish we could turn it on and off. Like an "I'm looking for something" button.
zsnesw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a brief period they had something like that. It asked a bunch of questions pertaining to what you might be feeling like watching and then spit out something. I really liked it. It always gave me something I hadnโt heard of. And if it was totally wrong/whatever it gave me was terrible, Iโd just go through it again or go back to endlessly scrolling but using some of those questions to think about what I really was in the mood for.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/a-b-testing-and-beyond-improving-the-netflix-streaming-experience-with-experimentation-and-data-5b0ae9295bdf
They're a tech company. They have incredible sets of user data and can do A/B testing on pretty much any new feature to see how people respond to it. It's basically like focus groups but without any of the limitations. Almost any well-run website highly dependent on user experience will test stuff like this thoroughly before rollout.
The next step is moving away from A/B testing and moving toward AI.
And you're right, they won't talk about it much except for praising it - they usually won't tell you when they're doing it.
KarmaBot1000000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If its nothing more than a mind game then its a fucking marketing scam. This will not make trash shows not trashy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i don't see how it's a scam. it's literally just testing what gets more people to watch. in this case, it's ads.
KarmaBot1000000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just call things harsh negatives that I don't like. Maybe its a personal fault.
I just really, really don't like it when companies do this sort of shit. "Our customers are currently using our service for 10 hours a week, what can we do to ensure they use it for 15 hours a week?"
Its lame, its scummy, it undermines people's senses and manipulates them to sit in front of the screens for longer, and some motherfucker gets patted on the back and paid 70k a year for it. I don't like it.
Labubs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, what would your solution be? For both sides, a middle ground between the user experience and the company's profit?
geeky_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's certainly helped me, one of my big problems with Netflix stuff was that all you had to go on was a single title card and a 1 sentence description.
I quite enjoy being able to see a trailer, though I agree it should be toggle-able.
AdmiralSkippy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It works on me.
NotBrendan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*likelihood
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, because when one of those trailers starts, I immediately scroll away as quickly as possible.
TerminalChaos ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I love it when looking for a new show...hate it when I open up Netflix knowing what I am going to watch...
wheelchairhydraulics ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah,two people complaining in the comments about here probably pales in comparison to the viewers it attracts.
Kenpari ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Trailers are honestly the biggest reason I watch a new show. I donโt mind sparse commercials with trailers; it helps me find new stuff to watch without having to wade through content.
beardedheathen ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:22:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then they should have a trailer channel for people looking for new things to watch. Not blasting it out for people who are just trying to watch a show. At the very least they need to make it so you can disable it.
Kenpari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:20 on August 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is optional for now, at least. Hard to say in the future.
superduperduperday ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:17:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The infuriating part is they haven't allowed it to be turned off. It is such a slap in the face they didn't include a way to disable it. Netflix has gone from being one of my most admired companies to one of the worst.
Shorkan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I muted those trailers on PC the first day and they have been muted ever since. Is it happening to you in a different device?
no_talent_ass_clown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go to Netflix and get on their web chat service and tell them. They'll respond with some sort of canned reply because they have gotten so many complaints. Make your voice heard.
ismashugood ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 15:01:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they really need to add a settings option to disable that
SimplyQuid ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:20:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I hate that. You can't go anywhere in the menu without a trailer with ridiculous music cranked up
areraswen ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:30:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I read an article that said they were encouraged to try this change because of their "success" with the autoplay change. They said their analytics show that people stay on the title page less... well, no shit. I don't want some loud ass TV show or movie playing if I'm not even sure I want to see it.
Banch ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:05:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I go to the search button or hit the mute button on my tv. Netflix interface is cancer.
areraswen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They interpreted that less time spent on the title screen = people deciding quicker because they can see the preview. It may be true that people decide quicker, but I doubt it's because they're gaining anything of value from autoplay.
buffit02 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly. I think people are so annoyed by the auto play they just hurry up and pick something, I do it half the time. Usually just pick Star Trek TNG to get away from the damn auto play. But now I get hit with the stupid ads in between shows for things completely unrelated to what I watch.
superduperduperday ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That autoplay logic is the same thinking Chairman Mao used when he killed all the starlings in china. What could go wrong?
bozoconnors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, quoted that article on another post...
I'm guessing it was more of a "hurry up & fucking pick something so we don't have to watch any more previews / listen to that horrible music".
areraswen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the quote! Yeah, I find it hard to believe they don't suspect that people hate this feature....
bozoconnors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, they know. They're getting something out of it. Guessing "advertising" for Netflix productions.
brainmoney ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:47:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Saturday my family (5,7,9 year olds, plus my wife and I) sat down to watch something together, so we clicked the Watch Together profile. It popped up the I Am a Killer on autoplay, with some dudes with face tatoos talking about murdering people.
I don't want to go all "Won't Somebody Think of the Children!!", but it would be nice to not be blasted with ads for TV-MA content when you open something to watch with the kids.
ohyouknowhangingout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have a kids profile option.
brainmoney ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They also have a "Watch Together" profile section, for finding things that parents and kids might want to watch together, instead of Paw Patrol or whatever; we ended up with Emperor's New Groove, for example. I wouldn't expect a TV-MA to be the top choice in that profile, but here we are.
Diagonalizer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they probably won't do that if you are logged in under your kids profile on Netflix.
When you first fire up NF you are asked who's watching and if you sign in as brainmoney they might show you mature content. If you signed in under littlebrainmoney's account, however, then you wouldn't be shown mature content.
no guarantee though. I have never tried this because I don't have child but I suspect you could tweak it in profile settings.
crunkadocious ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Netflix replaced blockbuster because they had lots of movie content. A bunch of marvel shows is nice but I miss blockbuster again.
pandagurl0306 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:22:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just found out that you can mute them (at least from the computer) by hovering over the thumbnail of the show and there will be a volume button. It will mute all other trailers as well.
UndersizedAlpaca ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But is this possible at on a ps4?
Banch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly if I wasn't borrowing Netflix I would have canceled it by now.
ShrimpShackShooters_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually cancelled my sub for this reason, months ago. I don't miss it.
Crazy, I cut cable almost a decade ago. Now I'm cutting paid streaming services.
no_talent_ass_clown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go to Netflix and get on their web chat service and tell them. They'll respond with some sort of canned reply because they have gotten so many complaints. Make your voice heard.
StorkSlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually mute the sound until I find what I want. Fuck you autoplay.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1 in every 5 originals is worth checking out further based on the descriptions, then only one in 20 is in English these days it seems...
Archiesmom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you can mute it....if you mute it on one it will remain muted on all of them. Cilck the little speaker icon on the actual little trailer window.
blackboard_toss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know! This is also pretty bad. I haven't taken any kind of position on it beyond general annoyance.
zf420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the answer to those goddamn trailers: a chrome extension named never ending Netflix. https://lifehacker.com/skip-netflix-intros-and-credits-with-this-chrome-extens-1823682722
Also allows you to auto click the skip intro button.
kallistini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a couple Chrome plugins that block the auto play trailers. Itโs dumb that one has to install something to turn it off, but at least there is a workaround.
FutureFruit ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:47:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people (like myself) watch on TV, so no work-around.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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OrangeCassetteTapes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thatโs a reasonable and easy fix but I feel like I shouldnโt HAVE to mute it, ya know?
Arthurs_Nose ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno about you, but when I open Netflix, I'm doing it to watch something and that means it's going to make noise.
I have watched a few shows because of those trailers, so it works for some people. An auto play option would probably be good though
Kyrthis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blame Disney
superduperduperday ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you elaborate on that?
Kyrthis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, with Disney buying up all the media outlets, they announced a while back that they were going to break with Netflix in 2019 and launch their own, competing streaming service: no marvel, no Star Wars, no Pixar, and all their kids stuff. This was after the reports of the success of Netflix kids, especially Disney material on it. So, given the monolith of distribution that Disney has now become, Netflix is forced to pump more money into originals, hence the narrowing of choices of things to watch which u/orangecassettetapes noted.
Aerumna92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can mute them in some way. Google how to do it I don't remember where I saw it.
scrappy-paradox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that likes that? I think it's nice to have it automatically play me a few clips from the show while I'm scrolling through looking for something to watch.
the9thEmber ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 14:56:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This. Netflix was my solution to piracy, I'm happy to pay for the content and business model that I support. The instant commercials pop up on my Netflix videos, it's time to get a vpn and start buying hard drives.
EDIT: I'm cool with skippable recommended videos for other Netflix shows at the end of episodes. If it's unskippable, tries to sell me a product, and/or interrupts the middle of an episode... that's the line for me. I even accept Amazon's pre-episode trailers albeit not happily.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 15:05:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The good news is VPN and hard drive prices have gone down.
Excal2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OpenVPN is free and you can admin it yourself instead of handing off all your data to a third party service provider. Also no limits on number of devices or caps on bandwidth or worry about heavy user traffic slowing you down.
I have mine installed on a Raspberry Pi alongside Pi Hole, it's a very effective and affordable setup. I'm shit with Linux and it took me maybe a Saturday afternoon worth of low octane tinkering to get it up and running.
just_lift ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the server you need to run OpenVPN on won't be free.
Excal2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Raspberry Pi costs like $35 bucks.
Amazon Web Services is free if you sign up with a credit card and stay under usage limits. Dump your traffic there and be selective about what you run through the VPN instead of tunneling everything through it.
Alternatively, buying service on one of their dedicated OpenVPN host servers works our to roughly $0.023 USD / hour of access.
So yes it's not free but the costs are lower when you do setup and admin yourself, in comparison to most upper-tier offerings from market leading VPN services, and the protection is better too.
just_lift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you plan on pirating movies (which this thread is about) then Amazon won't be happy about it, and your name is connected to that IP address. Might as well pirate from your home connection.
Excal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon doesn't care, AWS is an underground jungle cave maze. No one who doesn't work at Amazon is gonna be able to find that shit and Amazon has a vested business interest in keeping it that way.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused how this gets around ISP monitoring. Is your Pi running on your home network? Doesn't this mean its exit traffic is on your ISP's network?
Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any paid or free VPN service that is being run by someone other than you is what I was referring to by "third party". If you pipe your data through PIV's servers, then PIV has access to all of your data.
To answer your questions more specifically:
Same way that using a VPN service gets around it, by encrypting the data and then tunneling to a remote server. The ISP can see the data leaving your house, but doesn't know what's in it or where it's going.
Yes, and yes. But the traffic existing on their network is inherent to the nature of transmitting data across network infrastructure. It's gotta exist somewhere. The encryption is the key. My set up actually encrypts all of my home network traffic, so even if someone was able to peek inside they couldn't get any useful information out without breaking the encryption.
This article explains the problems with VPN's very well:
https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29
On their own, VPN's don't do a lot of stuff that people assume they do. You don't just get to sign up for PIV or another service and be done managing your data security, as nice as that would be. They are certainly very useful tools, but really you should only get one if you have a valid use case for it.
For those who do have a valid use case for VPN's, but don't want to admin their own, here is an excellently curated and maintained resource for selecting one:
https://thatoneprivacysite.net/
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so you're going through your Pi to another server that you administer, and sending content out through that. That makes more sense.
My issue is that I like having endpoints in
piracyprivacy friendly countries so I can have good ratios. And even then you're trusting your hosting provider not to monitor traffic as well.Excal2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you can rent a server anywhere if location is important to you. The second link I sent you has a lot of information on what countries are good for hosting in terms of privacy rights.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:52:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the only thing that should be at the end of an episode is the next episode.
ihatenewaccts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he means at the end of a movie, or the end of a series it usually has a trailer for something else.
I only dislike them because I get the same ones every single time. And I frequently get the Bright trailer despite having already watching and rated it. Why ?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is actually showing ads for their other shows at the end of episodes. Doesn't have to a season ender.
ihatenewaccts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right and the one comment above has a part saying they were okay with the ones not between the episodes, but only at the end.
I haven't seen any between episodes yet and I binged Altered Carbon and Arrested Development all weekend. So I'm okay with how it works now with that stuff at the end, but I find them annoying when it's something I've already watched, or the same one it just showed me.
the9thEmber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could be mixing up where I've seen this, but it's on my list of "ways I don't mind being advertised to". I know for a fact that youtubers will usually include little clips of their other videos in the outro, I've discovered some great niche bands through a record label that does this. It doesn't bug me, because it's completely baked into the same experience as watching the credits or clicking "next", there aren't any extra steps whether it's there or not.
the9thEmber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To clarify what I meant, and I'd have to double check to see if it's Netflix or Prime Video that does this, sometimes during episode credits there will be a short (10 seconds?) clip about something else on the platform. I usually skip the end credits anyway, and the Next Episode button is there whether it's a clip or the credits, so that's fine.
The biggest thing is it doesn't add steps to my viewing experience and doesn't cut into parts of an episode that matter. Cable companies have been known to speed up and edit scenes out of movies to cram more unskippable commercials; don't force me to watch your ad, don't interrupt the middle of the fucking video for your ad, don't edit out part of the fucking video for your ad, and don't show me ads for products outside the platform. If those guidelines are followed... I usually WILL check out the teaser and I often add the show/movie to my list. It's like Youtube recommended videos, the ads in the videos annoy me but the grid of related content at the end of a video is GREAT (when it works and gives me good shit)
IamtheSlothKing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:49:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats still unacceptable for me, the remote I use for Netflix turns off during an episode. If Iโm having to find that controller again to turn it back on to skip the commercial thatโs no better than watching the stupid ass commercial
call_me_Kote ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you skip the intro scenes then? Which are almost always longer than these ads.
IamtheSlothKing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:42:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt skip them, and because I watch tv differently then you Iโm supposed to be cool with ads?
the9thEmber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh I love that Stranger Things theme song I never skip that shit either
call_me_Kote ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just looking for some consistency. You were saying about having to power on your remote, something that isn't an issue for me because intro scenes ever 20 minutes are way more annoying than ads to me.
Not everything is a personal attack on you...
IamtheSlothKing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol okay
theyetisc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not, unless it replaces the 'next episode' button. I don't ANY clicks added. If I want something to play continuously I'm probably busy and need the autoplay to function, like when I'm running/working out.
I PAY for netflix because it doesn't have ads.
the9thEmber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite implementation of this is the "end credits in a smaller box, trailer fills the rest of the screen, next episode button is in the same place with no added clicks, and there's a setting to disable ads during credits". I don't mind recommended content, I just mind forced implementations of it that are extraneously obtrusive.
FlipflopCommunist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just a little note, there are add-ons for the app Stremio that let you reproduce torrents without downloading it.
enwongeegeefor ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 14:52:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can always torrent whatever it is you want to see on netflix anyway.
Popcorn Time is easy mode for tech-dumb people...most people can use it easily without knowing dick about using a computer. Get lots of people using VPNs and popcorn time and then netflix profits will start to tank. If they lose money because of ads, they won't use ads.
ConcernedEarthling ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:09:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Torrenting is the solution. To hell with paid services, I already have to pay for internet.
KillNyetheSilenceGuy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:55:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose if YouTube videos are the only kind of content you're interested in watching. Actual movies and shows with writing and effects require budgets that you aren't going to get on a non monetizeable platform.
LabMember0003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Netflix and up until recently that was enough to get me a ton of good shows and movies with no commercials. If they want me to pay more money to view commercials on a platform that removes the shows I enjoy, then I won't be paying at all.
KillNyetheSilenceGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, the rights holders removed the shows, it wasn't something that Netflix could control. Disney and the networks started their own competing platform called Hulu and are pulling all of their content from Netflix because they want to sell you a Hulu subscription.
I don't agree with Netflix running adds either but I'm telling you "I already pay for internet, why should I pay for content as well" only buys content on the production level of YouTube videos. Nobody is going to sink millions of dollars into a movie or TV show just to give it away online for free.
LabMember0003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:09 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I continue to pay for Netflix but pirate content that has been removed from it. They chose not to get my money.
If Netflix starts doing stupid things that they have control over such as running adds for paid users I will stop paying for that as well.
Its not so much that I am saying "I already pay for the internet, why should I pay for content as well" as I am asking "Why am I paying for content and still getting served ads?"
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:46:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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houndi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:10:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm paying money for a service, I won't pay with my time as well. Why would I pay money for the privilege of someone showing me commercials, that's mad!?!
If your product is free, I'm expecting to pay for it sone other way, for example subjecting myself to commercials. When you get my money, you don't also get to screw me with any shit you come up with.
If my money isn't good enough for them, I have no moral problems not paying for it. I pay for a service because it's the most convenient and best way for both of us, me as a consumer and them as the producer. When it stops being convenient, I'm not going to go through extra hassle to be able to give them money.
burritosandpuppies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This.
Say I need my lawn mowed. Iโm not going to pay a guy to mow it if he requires I let him advertise to me for 10 minutes first. Now, if he was cutting my yard for free, Iโd say sure go ahead buddy, Iโll listen to whatever BS you have to say. But pay AND be advertised to? Fuck that, Iโll give my money to some other guy that will cut it without wasting my time.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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burritosandpuppies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who the hell reads a newspaper anymore?
Fine, Iโll tune out or go to the restroom/get popcorn while theyโre playing. Theyโre only at the beginning and donโt interrupt the main experience.
You donโt stare at and listen to the menu the whole time.
I get it, ads arenโt going anywhere and are likely going to get worse. But that doesnโt mean we should just lay down and take it rather than seeking alternatives.
houndi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen an ad on a menu anywhere (this one screams "Only in America"...), but if I did I wouldn't order anything, I subscribe to the digital version of my local newspaper using adblock and I bitch about the twenty minutes of ads before every movie I go see and then remember why the last time I went was three years ago.
I still don't pay to see ads, and can survive normal life just fine. I also intend to keep it that way. If I'm paying for something, I don't take ads.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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houndi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't, I don't mind ads on a free service.
I don't just see the point of paying someone to show me ads, as I can watch ads for free as much as I want.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:53:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Arch_0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix, Steam, Spotify and others greatly reduced piracy because there was suddenly an easy alternative that had everything.
PM_me_big_dicks_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But that is changing.
Arch_0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:16:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Netflix has gone to shit and I'm pirating a lot of TV and movies again.
Steam has more competition which is frustrating having a dozen different launchers but these don't require subscriptions.
Spotify seems to have almost everything I've ever looked for and has a free and premium version. I happily pay for the premium but if I suddenly had to subscribe to another service to hear some of my music collection I'd be back to piracy.
twilightramblings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the Playnite launcher. It brings in games from multiple launchers and you can manually add games as well. Still launchers the launcher to start the game of course but it's one unified library to browse.
Arch_0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:26:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You want me to install another launcher?!
koopatuple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that makes no sense... Steam already has the ability to easily add games into your library that weren't bought through Steam.
twilightramblings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Steam doesn't track playtime on those games. It also doesn't natively support emus, if you use those. And it doesn't automatically download metadata on those games and categorize them.
twilightramblings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:42 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of, except then you only have to open this one launcher that has all your games and can launch them instead of however many you have. Thought it seemed logical, guess not.
infectedcarrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the simple way.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:16:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:20:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is definitely how things are. It can be changed if more people start caring about it, just like any issue.
That's why I said "shouldnt" . I acknowledged that's how it is now, but said it should not be like that
frightenedhugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, ads in the background that you can easily tune out. But if someone walked up to me in a bar, yanked my drink from my hands and only gave it back to me after I sat and listened to 5 minutes of advertising, I can guarantee you I wouldn't be returning to that bar.
ConcernedEarthling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have many other choices. I choose to make use of infinite available digital copies of media rather than have my limited time and money dishonestly stolen from me with commercials when the services I paid for promised no commercials.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ConcernedEarthling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When an honest service finally arrives, I won't mind being honest.
YoureNotMom ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You already pay taxes for roads, so why should you have to pay McDonald's when you get there?
It's almost like, follow me here, you're paying for 2 unrelated things.
And yes, torrenting is stealing and you're categorically a piece of shit.
blackvr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It also has a better UI than most paid streaming services.
davidicusrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there seems to be a number of popcorn times. which one should I use?
Clovett- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go to r/popcorntime it has the main app on the side.
RGJ587 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:11:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix has been really failing in their original movies. the past 4 netflix original movies ive seen have all had a common thread (High profile hollywood actors, great premise, terrible delivery, atrocious endings).
The Titan, How it ends, The Outsider, Bright. If it werent for their tv shows, id have already cancelled my sub
falsemyrm ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:23:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Bright.
Stormfly ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:48:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked Bright. Was pretty annoyed with how everybody seemed to crap on it. Same for Insatiable.
So many people seemed to want to hate it and just zoned in on small things, and sometimes took things completely out of context. Insatiable had complaints that the main characters were narcissists, but part of the show is the MCs realising "Oh. Maybe I'm not a good person and they are right".
Although I also liked the Netflix campy B-Horror Deathnote so maybe my opinion shouldn't matter.
Jackal_Kid ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:04:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people crapping on Insatiable? It's American Beauty meets Clueless, but almost everyone is a bitch and you're not supposed to like them as a person... Spoiler the main character glosses over the statutory rape of his son, ffs, they're all selfish and awful and it works. The acting is spot-on, too.
Stormfly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your spoiler was one criticism that I disagreed with (In one article anyway) as they didn't fully gloss over it. The person went to jail and the MC was called out for making it about himself, and then later you find out that it really was about the MC.
I think the glossing over of the situation was also possibly to do with society's opinions on it... but I might be reading too much into a show that doesn't take itself too seriously. But you're right, they're all supposed to be terrible and selfish people. Like comically cruel and vindictive people that think they are the good guy.
The "I'm a Good Person! I'm a Good Person!" scene couldn't have been any more obvious in my opinion.
theyetisc2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was definitely a social commentary.
So... spoiler because i dunno how to do properly tag.
If Bob hadn't gone to the cops nothing would have happened, no one would have cared, and society wouldn't have treated the rapist any different.
And even though he did, the rapist was still not treated any different once she was released from jail. Society had no reaction, and it wasn't an "event" like it would have been if the genders were reversed.
Where as even the baseless accusation, absent all evidence, of a man touching a girl ruined him. He was left unable to even deny it without making things worse. And everyone just assumed he was guilty, even though they knew the woman making the accusations was a liar.
Is blue on my screen? I dunno how to do, i tred.
Stormfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler text
I thought that but I wasn't sure.
Considering that Bob's reputation was destroyed by baseless accusations from the very same woman that was later sent to jail for Statuatory Rape and bribed a woman to distribute child pornography framing another person, and nobody really cared like you said.
The fact that it was forgotten by everybody was one reason I wasn't sure. She is released from jail and is then forgotten about by everybody and is just treated as a nuisance. Wasn't sure if it was intentional or a plot hole.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Stormfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think I was vague enough that I shouldn't have spoiled anything. Just in case I removed one joke that was a reference to a scene.
But I have finished it so I'm ahead of you.
TheMysteriousMid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People were calling for Insatiable to be canned before it even got released because it's apparently "Fatphobic"
Jackal_Kid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they take those characters as people to emulate and not people to tear apart and love to hate, to dissect the scenes and realize "wait why am I feeling bad for this person they suck", maybe they shouldn't be watching fiction.
elephantphallus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deathnote was such a brutal destruction of a good story that it's a wonder the director isn't in jail for rape.
Stormfly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think a large part of the reason I liked it is actually because I disliked the anime. I thought the idea was great but hated the characters, and I felt that the characters and story in the movie were better. Not perfect, and it did have flaws, but I enjoyed it and would watch it again.
Just my opinion though. I've controversial taste in some regards.
seriouslees ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deathnote is a billion times better than the anime... for one... it actually has an ending, instead of trying to become a freakin endless TV show.
elephantphallus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you on about? The anime had a fantastic ending.
Near does what L failed to do and reveals Kira to be Light. Ryuk keeps his promise that he would be the one to write Light Yagami's name in his Deathnote. Misa has no clue so she can just go on with the rest of her life.
Remember, the entire story is just about a bored shinigami stirring up shit. It ended pretty damned well. The movie, though, didn't button anything up. It was written specifically with a sequel in mind.
seriouslees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The show jumped the shark as soon as they had people besides Light and Misa be able to see the shinigami. Went totally off the rails from the earlier episodes and wasn't even remotely the same afterwards.
Puzzled_Salamander ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the asians became white but the white(I guess) guy became black. whitewashing at it's finest.
Diagonalizer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and more importantly the acting was clunky and the writing somewhat awkward. but I guess the race of actor could bother you too.
Thorbinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. Light Yagami deserved better.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Stormfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My second paragraph was about Insatiable.
Bright was just a fun but silly film. It wasn't great and had flaws but it was entertaining.
Puzzled_Salamander ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's all the race stuff. I know 4chan had a field day making the elves out to be jews.
"They keep you up to hold us down."
pupomin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bright was cool, but next to series-format shows like The Expanse a single episode feels really superficial.
Chronoblivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the idea of it. The execution not so much. Kinda felt like Will Smith was just playing Will Smith, which I've seen a dozen times before. There's a lot of potential there, though, so I hope they do more with the setting.
RGJ587 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it was good for the first 30 minutes, until it went off the rails the second the wands were introduced.
Softly7539 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How could anyone possibly like Bright. I am a huge fan of (1) High Fantasy (2) Buddy Cop Movies (3) Will Smith so this movie was almost tailor made for me and even I hated it.
sawmyoldgirlfriend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Annihilation, The Cloverfield Effect
regularabsentee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh wow. That sorta describes Annihilation too.
RGJ587 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:17 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See, I wanted to add Annihilation, because I assumed it was just as bad as the ones I mentioned, but I havent seen it (and wont be watching it). Maybe I'm finally wising up to the fact that "Netflix Original Movie" is just codename for "what used to be straight to dvd"
UghYetAnotherAccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really wanted to like Annihilation. But I got bored by the time the aliens showed up and stopped watching.
[deleted] ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 14:20:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've already canceled my subscription to Netflix for this. Thank Netflix for not having contracts on their platform. Only way to send a message is hit them in the wallet. There are other platforms that offer no ads.
exteus ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 14:34:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're literally just promoting shows at the end of each episode, during that countdown timer to skip to the next episode. You can still skip to the next episode, and disable these promotions in the settings. Seems a bit hasty to cancel over this before you see which way they are going with it...
C0lMustard ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats how youtube did it, its just a step to normalize commercials in the platform. First its skippable trailers, then its skippable commercials, then unskippable but just between shows etc...
Pancakes__Go ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:45:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those goddamn YouTube end boxes blocking the last 20-30 seonds of the video. "Here's another 3 videos you might want to see part of"
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:22:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Zykium ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It recommends me videos I've already watched and tons of "Nothing to Declare" some TV show about finding heroin balloons in people.
nigelfitz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's partly the creator's fault for not putting 20 seconds at the end for their end screens.
The uploader needs to turn it on for those things to show up.
Pancakes__Go ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least make it optional, without some kind of 3rd party workaround or script hack. Like annotations.
nigelfitz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are optional.
It's the creator's fault for not putting a dedicated 20 seconds for it.
Or do you mean optional for the viewer? Then yeah, I agree.
Pancakes__Go ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For the viewer
Stormfly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:46:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then the stupid buttons that cover up the last few seconds of the video.
twilightramblings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's how Foxtel in Australia did it too. Came in as "no ads" to compete with free to air TV a long time ago. Now I swear it has more ads than the TV it was supposed to replace. Oh and the bonus? 24 month contracts @ $100 a month.
Gonzobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it a commercial, though? They're not advertising products, you already paid for Netflix. They're recommending other shows that you've already paid for access to.
StorkSlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes it even more unnecessary.
Netflix, stop advertising to me. I'm already a customer!
C0lMustard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A trailer is a commercial for a new show.
Ragawaffle ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:00:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Change is accepted easier when it's gradual.
mrjackspade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
PM_me_big_dicks_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a strange fable. Boiling water is still too hot for a frog and they can still feel heat.
papoosejr ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:45:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The countdown timer is much longer though when they do it.
I'm not super opposed to this move on principal, but the execution caught my attention and annoyed me.
jaimeleecurtis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The worst offense they have is that during a series finale, instead of soaking in whatever just happened, you immediately get cut from the credits and pushed into a giant loud Netflix show advertisement CLICK NOW kind of deal and it is so disorienting
KillNyetheSilenceGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, is still a timer that you can skip and start your next show with a single button press.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:45:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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houndi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, a customer shouldn't have a choice on what kind of product they want to support?
I disagree.
too_much_to_do ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:22:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't care. I don't want a fucking experience. I want access to content and literally nothing else. I will find my own shows in the way that I hear about them. I don't want their help whatsoever in finding my next show.
abadhabitinthemaking ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 14:44:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have begun rolling out actual unskippable ads to a percentage of the userbase.
Dawsonpc14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Keeyzar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand the direction they're going. You're the perfect target audience they hope for. People saying "yeah, only 2 extra secs, it's okay". No it's not. Next it's 5 extra sec. Never ending story, played a million times on million different topics. And you still fall for this stuff.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:03:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still too much bullshit. I don't want to be watching something dark and scary and then see a promo for some stupid comedy or kid's show.
lewliloo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or the opposite. My kids watch some things with me, and i watch some things without them. I don't want them seeing ads for Punisher between episodes of P&R, despite the fact that I, alone, would enjoy Punisher..
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is an even better point. I watched Lost in Space with my kids on my profile. I don't want them seeing trailers for Trailer Park Boys while we're watching something together.
mrjackspade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:55:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I marathon The Twilight Zone because it makes for great background noise and the atmosphere (and familiarity) allows me to continue focusing on work.
Totally fucking killed my flow when I reached the end of one episode and suddenly a 15 second commercial for some bullshit standup special comes up.
I'm not usually the type to bitch about commercials, but I pay for both YouTube Premium, and Hulu Ad Free to get rid of them. Netflix has always been my GOTO for relaxing background noise though, and if they're going to fuck that up I'd rather deal with Youtube or Hulu's slightly more annoying format for the sake of being able to stay focused on what I'm working on.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:40:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they are not. I have regularly been getting kicked out at the end of episodes to a screen promoting content and have had to navigate to the "continue viewing" row to start the next episode.
SimplyQuid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be the frog in the pot
Stormfly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:49:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Frogs in pots hop out when it gets uncomfortably warm.
You can do the same. Just leave when you stop being able to accept it.
SimplyQuid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The whole point of the metaphor is that if the temperature is raised from cool to boiling gradually, the frog just lets itself get cooked.
Stormfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but in reality it doesn't. It just jumps out when it gets uncomfortable.
I'm saying to do the same. Pick a point where it become unacceptable rather than just objecting to any and all change.
I understand its usage, but it's not applicable to every situation. Gradual change isn't always bad. Some changes sound worse than they are. Like I think it's fine to complain about this because you dislike it, but there's nothing wrong with people who are okay with it.
Accepting small changes doesn't mean they will accept big changes. It's fine to have a line in the sand that they can't cross rather than refusing they move at all.
XanXic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, it seems obvious. A lot of people were saying the auto play trailers is hell and couldn't possibly be permanent. There's still no way to disable those fucking things.
He sent a proper message to Netflix. If they put in commercials, he was right to cancel. If they don't you could argue people like him got the message across so they didn't.
Jaymzkerten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have yet to figure out how to disable this in the settings. I spent a good 10 minutes searching through the settings for something to no avail. It's especially annoying to have your kids complaining when the 5 second gap to auto-start the next episode turns into a 20 second ad for a show they aren't watching.
Cutoffjeanshortz37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Easier there, this is reddit, sound thought and reason don't play well here. Just pick up your pitch fork and join the mob mentality. Netflix is now the devil
fb95dd7063 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The melodrama in some of these comments lmao
exteus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems I stirred up a bit of a hornets nest here, honestly quite enjoying it.
plzdontkillmecomcast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're just beating you to the punch.
The ads will get worse and you'll complain after it's too late.
RedditPeopleSocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This. This is the only way to do something that matters. Anything else being talked about like โdownvotingโ and such is just ignorance of how the system works.
Money is all that matters.
razzmatazz1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Curious as to which service. Hulu, prime, netflic, cable all got some form of commercials.
Dawsonpc14 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, what a knee jerk reaction to something you can literally skip and/or opt out of. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Reddit has to be outraged by something.
jakesyadaddy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:01:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean a lot of the actual shows are a corporate pipeline too.
jenamac ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:14:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is rapidly losing me as a customer. Lately it feels like mostly original movies and while there's definitely good movies that aren't theirs as well, it's "oh yeah that movie" 80% of the time.
I didn't realize what was wrong with that until browsing Amazon prime and saw a bunch of amazing movies that I had seen or been meaning to see and promptly watched several over a week.
batterypackraid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:23:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact you can find movies to watch on Amazon is amazing. I can't stand their apps. It's to cumbersome to navigate.
theyetisc2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also no title skip, sometimes next episode doesn't function properly, they usually let the credits fully play out before the button pops up....
The entire amazon experience is garbage. It feels very behind, especially for a company as large as amazon.
jenamac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I have a Roku box, maybe it helps? It's awkward but not the worst
TheNoirbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This. I'm a horror movie junkie and Netflix only has older horror films or originals. Hell, I've been wanting to watch the Purge for over a year and it's still not on Netflix.
Blissextus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:21:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well said. The exact reason I left cable television 10 ago and haven't looked back.
Comcast wants me to pay over $200/month to watch commercials? Don't think so!
Exos9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I want on Netflix I can get for free. On streaming websites. With ads. So what the fuck am I paying for?? A remotely decent UI?? Netflix can fucking suck it, I'll switch to Amazon TV or something that's fucking ad-free.
EATADlCK ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:12:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, I have news for you...
Conjugal_Burns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This response is funny to me. Obviously Netflix is a company. And you know the OP obviously was talking about 3 minute commercial breaks every 5 minutes on network TV.
What exactly are you upset about with your tinfoil hat?
EATADlCK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Numbskulls who can't see all the shit that's shoved down their throat in Netflix's content. Shit used to be good before they produced of much of theirs.
Read a book.
Conjugal_Burns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down killer lol
ktkps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
KODI all the way?
asldkdjfhaslkfjh1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? How does kodi replaces netflix?
ktkps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
(implicit assumption - people fall to piracy again due to this)
it doesn't. You get better services for piracy from Kodi Vs a torrent I guess.
asldkdjfhaslkfjh1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't understand how to use kodi to pirate
ktkps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unofficial addons e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZ093o4Q0A
asldkdjfhaslkfjh1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cooool, thanks
zGunrath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And so begins the second golden age of pirating!
WhoTookNaN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm doing the same. I hope they have some kind of analytics to determine how quickly people unsub after seeing their first commercial.
Kanaric ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:50:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All we got here is previews for their other shows. Amazon Prime does the same thing and so does hulu. I think they were the only ones who didn't.
And you say "corporate pipeline of nonsense" i'm sure their shows already has had product placement.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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willghammer ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:48:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnโt want to support corporate America. downloads Netflix
fobfromgermany ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:51:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only get my media fresh from the forest, LIKE GOD INTENDED
DiggingPodcast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:40:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm unique, just like everyone else
s1ugg0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can start a live chat by going to https://help.netflix.com/en and selecting "Start Live Chat" at the bottom right.
Tell them how you feel. I did. Just don't be rude to the person you're talking to. It's not their fault.
blackboard_toss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i did this yesterday actually.
ipigack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I called to cancel when they did a trial of this years ago. They hit some checkbox and I havent seen an ad since.
Exumu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, what did you do before streaming sites then?
blackboard_toss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirated content
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look for fees to increase then.
nigelfitz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I already cancelled my sub when they removed HIMYM and IASIP.
Office is prolly gonna come off of it soon.
I have no interest in their originals other than Stranger Things which I'll pay the $10 month I'll need to binge it.
blackboard_toss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously -- some of their content is amazing, but others are complete trash. Take Frontier for example - woah boy that show was a pile of shit.
If I want to watch -- like you, I'd drop $10, binge, and then drop. I have no interest in so much of the content.
kanyewest2018 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This guy has it... vote with your dollar.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:04:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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blackboard_toss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not making a statement for what other people should do/will do. I'm strictly speaking about what my intentions are.
PM_me_big_dicks_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are still certainly adverts.
AskAboutMyNarcissism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
News from last month: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/629705445/netflix-falls-short-on-subscriber-target-spooks-investors
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always wonder how many ppl are abusing the gift card free month though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm well aware.
Notice I said YEARLY not QUARTERLY growth?
Look at the subscriber growth year over year. It has exploded. The fact that they missed a subscriber growth target one quarter when they were already overperforming estimates doesn't mean a whole lot.
AskAboutMyNarcissism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it does. After all these years, it would explain their sudden interest in pushing the ads-that-aren't-ads now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes no sense.
They missed a subscriber growth target for one quarter so their solution is to...
Play promos for their content, but only to people that have already subscribed.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
bdeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will continue to use my classmateโs parentsโ login, from time to time
Kafuffel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt it why Hulu plus went kaput too? Because two versions of Hulu, one with ads was bullshit?
asdf785 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are they really commercials if they're for content that is already on the platform? is the recommended for you tab an advertisement?
strangetea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truth. Iโm with you.
DJ_ANUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely agree. If enough people cancel that usually will change a company's tune.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They will go the way of old and a new better competitor or new platform will arise. Its how this goes. I'm with you on the cancelled sub
flatspotting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, I use it less and less, this would be the proverbial straw.
ReadItWithSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone needs to do this...
Back in the early days of cable television, you paid to eliminate commercials. Now, itโs riddled with commercials.
The only way advertising goes away is if you quit paying for it.
suitology ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am only okay with product placement. They've been pretty subtle on Jessica jones, daredevil, and the ranch
_A_Day_In_The_Life_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Hulu is my least favorite because of commercials. Amazon prime is the best deal out of all of them. Especially if you are an amazon user.
llcooljessie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe instead they'll do one of those lower-third banners. The cast of Orange Is the New Black can be superimposed over your current show. And as enjoy the last hour of Schindler's List, Crazy Eyes and Tiffany will appear to playfully shove one another, reminding you of their banal existence.
dkimot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt cancel. Just watch less after a commercial, if their algorithm is anything like the YouTube algorithm that want to maximize watch time and engagement. It sucks for us, but we need to do it for the kids so they donโt see commercials.
Stocktradee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do it
Stocktradee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You won't
anotherusercolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Net neutrality gone, can ISPs throttle Netflix out of existence if they refuse commercials?
CMDR_Shazbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only will I cancel, I'll start ripping and seeding torrents. I use Netflix because it's ad free and it works. Ads are intrusive.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Use the app JustWatch. Their search is way better than Netflix search and you can sort by new stuff or old stuff.
ridik_ulass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
especially this, their content has gone in the bin, their own content is good, but nothing I can't live with out. Their sorting and the change on how things are recommended for me, is gradually going from what I'd like and other people would recommend, to what they want me to watch. Youtube is doing the same,
The internet is built on choice, I can understand old corporations not getting that, but companies that were built on this premise, even reddit, seem to be losing understanding.
e22ddie46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of all the fx shows was a major blow (and scrubs before that)
Single_With_Cats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will cancel my subscription if I see one goddamned commercial on Netflix.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canceled today. Their notifications already started to piss me off lately, but this is the final straw. Also the content from the last two years have been absolute trash.
pf3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have T-Mobile so Netflix streaming is free but I get much more enjoyment out of my Netflix disc subscription.
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is pushing all of their shows to the top of the home screen not commercials anyway? Iโve been tired of them burying good movies under shitty series and their own b movies for years.
FowD9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and if there is i'll just pirate it, if netflix wants to take this approach
Vaerstingen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HBO is commercial free mate
jdavidlol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same!
Pepperoni_Dogfart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what cable subscribers said in the 80s.
Bgndrsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People wonder why I pirate. I bought the James Bond collectors set for $100+ and it has stupid fucking ads and bullshit in it. I can just download a movie, click play and boom it's just there and running.
SuckADickDumbShits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus you're already paying for Netflix upfront. Why would I pay to watch ads? So I could pay even more to not have them again. No thanks
happyhippohats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair they're skipable (something most of the news stories don't seem to mention) and only show up in between episodes not in the middle of them so I don't think it's a huge deal really. Now TV (a UK subscription TV service) started doing the same thing about 6 months ago and it hasn't really bothered me much....
ThePoorlyEducated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give them an inch.. I cancelled when they started jacking up the price on old loyal customers and nobody said anything.
shillaryjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree I will immediately cancel Netflix if they start showing commercials
ThatBitterJerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I won't. I'll keep watching it. I'll complain a little, but in the end, I'll accept the commercials because I love the convenience.
DirtieHarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm right there with you.
PM_Me_Tank_Tops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I too, will log out of my sister in laws account when this happens to me!
kafircake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That I can't find elsewhere. If one is paying for Netflix one is paying to avoid the bullshit first and reward good content second IMHO.
Occams-shaving-cream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until Microsoft and Sony put commercials during gameplay on their consoles...
DrScience-PhD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, if I start seeing commercials I will unsub so fucking fast. I'm already using Kodi more then Netflix because they've taken awaya all the shows I watch. I hardly need a reason at this point.
Honestly, I got Netflix originally for movies, and now their selection is dogshit anyway.
wannabesq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Shit like this just drives me away.
jib661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's been their plan for a number of years now. This is the ebb and flow of tech companies -- hemmorage money while in a state of rapid growth, then when growth begins to plateu, implement a realistic pricing model (or another way to make money) that alienates a small percentage of your audience.
YOU might leave netflix...and Others may leave too. But netflix is betting that enough people will stay. And chances are, they're right.
uFuckingCrumpet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sure if you cancel your subscription the company will fold.
blackboard_toss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to kill Netflix, just voting with my dollars.
uFuckingCrumpet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, thatโs what Iโm saying.
H3yFux0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"avoiding corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me" so the ad placements and the constant politics bedded in most Netflix originals is ok then?
rendeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are skippable... just click skip....
blackboard_toss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Naw - I'll just cancel sub. I have no interest in having something so invasive that i manually have to skip it. happy to pirate.
bdld39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watched one of the Harry Potter movies on free form or whatever and I timed it, 9 minutes of movie to 7 minutes of commercials, itโs seriously infuriating.
blackboard_toss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like hell on earth
AlienSomewhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, but where would you watch all those new Adam Sandler movies?
blackboard_toss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where am i going to watch these movies that I'm never going to watch!? :-P
MickandRalphsCrier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BoJack Horseman is probably my favorite show right now and I also love Kimmy Schmidt but I can find both of those things elsewhere. I also I'm canceling my subscription the minute they actually Implement commercials
Forever_Awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But..that's what netflix already is. Netflix is the epitome of corporate nonsense.
Hieillua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gold, 7.5k upvotes and I think barely any people will follow this example.
I remember saying how it was the beginning of the end when Netflix raise its prices years ago. People told me I had to shut the fuck up because it was a minor increase and the prices were still low. And then they increased it again and again, like predicted, and people suddenly got angry but what did those people do? They can't be without their Netflix and are still watching it. Most customers will accept these commercials. The next step is even more commercials and different types of adds and some more price increases with lower quality shows because Netflix is throwing money to more quantity.
I'll remember this when Netflix is in trouble in a few years, maybe even a decade. This is where it started. At the increase of more shows, more and more price raising and adds.
TheGuyWithTwoFaces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too late for me.
Unstoppable autoplaying trailers (commercials), broken rating system, removal of user reviews and now, commercials between shows? Nope, to hell with that, I'm out.
Minja78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:40 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest here. No you won't. Netflix is killing it with their exclusive content. Even if you and the 8k others that upvoted this decide to cancel you've done nothing but force more commercials. Live with the fact that we've had commercial free content for a stupid low price for as long as we've had it.
I don't like it, I'm going to opt in and complain, not much else I can/we can do.
blackboard_toss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:55 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm being honest. I am going to cancel my subscription. I'm not living with the fact that I need to pipe commercials into my home. It's not going to happen. There's nothing I want to watch bad enough on Netflix to have companies push adverts in my home.
lackofsunshine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh. It just a test for now and only for shows/ movies that are on Netflix so Iโm not too worried about it. There is so much content on there that gets buried, so who knows maybe it will show me something good so I donโt have to scroll for 20 minutes just to watch The Office again.
Holy_Rattlesnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats, your comment is the manifesto for our outrage.
EATADlCK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spoken like a true innocent child.
JungGeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad you don't realize the shows themselves are a corporate pipeline of nonsense and propaganda
blackboard_toss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I realize this exists, but it feels less invasive.
troubleondemand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, they only appear in between shows/movies not during episodes movies.
blackboard_toss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Non-negotiable. I'm not spending my time skipping adverts. I'm cancelling my sub. I'm not paying, in any way, for advertisements to be piped into my home.
troubleondemand ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. See ya!
Skydivided ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I will immediately cancel my sub if i begin seeing commercials on the platform.
Netflix was my answer to avoiding a corporate pipeline of nonsense bombarding me in my home"
So you cancel Netflix. What's your plan now?
I keep seeing people get mad and threaten to cancel Netflix because of "ads". And most of the people saying this are the ones who decide to "cut the cord". Are people going back to paying for cable TV, go to Amazon prime(which will change one day... Again) , antenna TV, or no TV at all?
What's the plan?
blackboard_toss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The plan would be to go back to pirating content that I want to watch.
benjam3n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
pirating is back on the menu boys
beepbeepfratelli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate
d3gree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is the plan. However I for one won't cut off Netflix until it gets as bad as cable streaming like SYFY. Every 10 mins there's five 30-60 second ads, sometimes even a few minutes long, & usually the same ads playing over and over. Makes their shows totally unwatchable. What's the point in paying to watch commercials? At that point it's like they're begging you to steal their content.
gordo65 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So far, all I've seen is trailers that can be skipped with no minimum view time. I'm certainly not cancelling just over that.
Mavrickindigo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And yet you are on reddit
nocomment_95 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, if they raised prices to pay for it instead would you go back to pirating?
blackboard_toss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd probably spend a few more dollars on Netflix per month before going back to pirating. I do not watch netflix all that much anyway so it will quickly approach the point where it no longer feels valuable.
Bighorn21 ยท 412 points ยท Posted at 14:07:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Truth is not truth"
blothaartamuumuu ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:15:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It seems we live in interesting times. I'm ready for ho-hum, myself.
therob91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There have always been snake oil salesman. As long as money has existed people were there to lie to get you to give it to them.
Captain_Arrrg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... Rudy?
Beoftw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2+2=5. Stay vigilant people, this is creeping into all aspects of our society.
Impriv4te ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a wild exaggeration. They are not showing commercials and lying about it. They arenโt showing commercials at all. They are showing previews of other content youโve already paid for to help you (in theory) find stuff youโll like. Itโs good for them obviously but in theory itโs also good for customers because it helps you find good shows. In reality itโs a shit idea but thatโs why itโs a test and theyโll probably get rid of it. The headline makes it out as if theyโre showing paid commercials and blatantly lying about it which is flagrantly untrue.
There are many real and very serious โ2+2=5โ type situations creeping into society, as you say, that need to be taken seriously. Exaggerating and claiming any old thing is a 2+2=5 type situation when it clearly isnโt is dangerous because it trivializes a very important issue
Beoftw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
any kind of forced solicitation that assumes it knows better than my own judgement is not welcome, and in my opinion is even more intellectually frustrating than advertisements in general. They force their own video lists before you even see your "my videos" or "my reccomendation" lists after they reworked their website long ago. I don't need an ad that's selling me something I already purchased prerolling before I watch said content.
But yes, you are right. I agree it is an exaggeration. But at the same time I do not think we should be normalizing this kind of behavior, allowing deceptive anti consumer business practices to creep into all of our favorite mediums at any level is disgusting. When they try and tell us that loot boxes aren't gambling or effect gambling addicts while they rail us about how they think video games cause violent behavior, as if they are digging for an excuse to regulate the medium but ignoring the actual problem because they clearly benefit from it. Or when they strip all the fun out of a 60 dollar video game, just to sell it back to us with microtransactions as if its somehow enhancing the experience. How the you in youtube has been replaced with strictly corporate approved media, censoring people based on the whim of a corporation as if they know better than I do about what I want or what I should or shouldn't see. I can go on and on about how corporations and politicians are using wrongthink to influence our opinions throughout the internet, but the last thing I want to do is lessen the importance of the notion. If anything I just want more people to be aware of the rising use of wrongthink and doublespeak in our media today, and hasten the need to teach critical thought to our growing generations.
Impriv4te ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I don't think its deceptive anti consumer business practice at heart, definitely not in the same league as the other things you mentioned. It's a feature that they hoped helps their audience because if the audience find it useful they profit from it. That isn't really anti-consumer. Turns out its really annoying and is disliked by their customers and no-one likes it, so they will probably take it out. There are lots of anti-consumer business practices out there, lots that often rely on lying or misleading customers, and I dislike how the headline of this article is trying to make out as if this is one
Beoftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every single change they have made to their website and business model has been panned pretty hard. Almost every single change has been in favor of their bottom line and taken away from the consumer. The removal of user ratings, reviews, the removal of browsing organization, the greater majority of their content in favor of their own, etc. I see no logical reason to believe that they will discontinue these ads with or without consumer approval after they have very literally stated that they have no intention of basing the success of this feature based on customer feedback.
I can see your point though, the articles title is misleading. I agree with your message, I just personally find no reason to trust their intent here. I don't support catering to the most common denominator, as it assumes were all stupid and incapable of making our own informed decisions. Every change that netflix has gone through with has reflected this mentality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2018 what do you expect
Sigmar_Heldenhammer ยท 2081 points ยท Posted at 15:04:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go into your Account Settings, there is a menu called Test Participation, turn it off.
They're testing this crap, opt out to show them it's not welcome.
Edit: Apparently they don't care if you opt out. They only look at how you interact with the ads.
So the only solution is to grab your pitchforks and torches.
r/pitchforkemporium is always willing to help if you don't have any.
tika- ยท 660 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, donโt do this! Apparently theyโre trying to see if customers will interact with the ads. This is some form of โtrial periodโ where theyโre testing it out. If a large percentage of people interact with the ads, itโs likely that theyโll keep it. So donโt turn off the test participation. Participate in it but donโt interact with the ads to show Netflix that their ads will not be well received.
Update: The original comment where I found out about this.
Edit: I would like to add that I am not an expert in any of this and am simply relaying the information on a thread I saw previously. I donโt have the answer on how to show Netflix that their ads are not welcome, but based on the comments below, there are clearly many ways to do that!
stevrock ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It won't matter. The programming is already done. They are here to stay unless they get hit right in the pocketbook.
I plan on cancelling after I see the first one.
MmeBear ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 16:06:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I'm not going to pay to get shown ads; I'm paying to get shown content. If I wanted ads I'd have cable.
last2long ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:12:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly my sentiment. But we are in the vast minority.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:39:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? You're obviously the majority, the entire thread is talking about how they don't want commercials
Ashendal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For as loud as Reddit makes itself seem, this is the minority. For every person here shouting about how much it sucks there are plenty that just deal with it and don't say anything. In this case it doesn't matter if every Redditor in here unsubbed and angrily pushed back in every way possible, there are plenty of people that aren't on Reddit who don't care about the ads because it's "the same as cable except I get to pick what I want to watch when I want to watch it" to them and they don't care about the ads.
DaPhreshness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm.
Source: Not happy about the ads, won't do a damn thing.
last2long ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most Nexflix users don't care. When they tried breaking off the DVD subscription to a seperate company 1 million cancelled their accounts. Less than that noticed the commercials. And I'd bet less than that would cancel even if they did full on commercials regular TV commercials. The part that sucks is that they are doing this. I'm old enough to remember when I purchased cable that they said that paying a monthly fee meant that there wouldn't be any commercials. But then they started showing commercials for thing on their channel starting they weren't breaking the contract. When they did start showing full blown commercials back in the early 80s I never paid for cable again.
BlubberBunsXIV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The minority is a little bigger with me here. Mainly because Iโm fat
Rockapp2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We left cable TV for streaming services since they didn't have ads, now the streaming services are going to show ads. Wonder what's next
Kaisogen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We've always had torrents. Maybe we should look to the past (;
edca5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, the irony is strong with this one
Radidactyl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand what you're implying.
Dup1icity ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:15:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cable originally started as an ad free subscription service
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:15:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Roscoeakl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:21:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least if you're paying for cable you have a larger selection than Netflix. I don't pay for either because Netflix ended up having nothing I wanted to watch after maybe a year of binge watching. Hulu has been way more enjoyable for my wife and I since.
ILoveBeef72 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what he's saying, if he wanted to pay for ads he'd pay for cable. It can be inferred by the comment that he doesn't have cable, so he's not currently paying for it. He's probably paying the cable company for internet, but that's not the same as paying for internet and cable, or just cable.
MmeBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This, exactly. I do not have cable, nor do I intend to get it because... I'm not going to pay for ads haha.
Radidactyl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:23:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have cable television.
Shibouya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Want to know another secret? Neither guy you replied to is paying for cable.
-_MasterOfNone_- ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:21:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how IT companies work. They could spend all year and hundreds of thousands in R&D and still pull it last second over a top execs change in opinion or a single bad tweet, e.x. Pepsi commercial with Kardashian girl, imagine the amount of work and people that were involved in a full blown video shoot with a ton of costumes and editing and products and air time and legal paperwork. Happens all the time over the stupidest things. This could be no different. My company just spent half a year building a full custom hosting framework and they ended up not using anything because they just bought a smaller tech company to use theirs. Still had to pay me and 12 developers for half a years salary, easily in the low 10 millions. And consider the amount of $$ it cost them to lose our development time that could have been working on a large list of projects. So double that original cost and time.
Soo, maybe a few months worth of easy coding for Netflix since this isn't a new concept or feature, and they probably already had it built for a while now. They could just flip a simple true|false and wait until the next chance to try again with subtle ads. Its not throw away code and it wasn't a site breaking feature, it's an in between feature that only shows in sequence between videos, nothing has to change since they already do an opt in / opt out, so its a non dependent feature.
ANonGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To support you: even in the "article" they mention how Netflix is testing how it's being received. I'd prefer if there was a mini section in each series info for similar shows or movies.
It also looks like Netflix isn't showing Toyota or Tide ads, they're recommendations. It's likely in response to Disney pulling their shows out, in an effort to boost their original programming numbers to keep their user base healthy. Not saying it's fine, just that their actions make sense in context.
I'd still prefer a recommendation area in the show/movie info, though.
toofemmetofunction ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isnโt true. If it receives poor metrics for whatever KPIs theyโre using during the test period, they arenโt necessarily going to implement it. So ignoring the ads or closing the app after you see one is helpful
BiffMckraken ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:11:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First add I see and Im cancelling netflix.
hflyingdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that is exactly how you should respond to it
macarthur_park ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you do wind up cancelling, make sure to send Netflix an email (or if they have a โwhy are you cancelling questionโ answer it) explaining that you are ending your subscription specifically due to the ads. This gives them a quantifiable backlash.
Single_With_Cats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same!
nightpanda893 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they are skippable adds. So even if they are here to stay I'm not really too concerned yet.
AssholeTimeTraveller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...I'm not gonna go out of my way to watch ads to tell Netflix I don't want to watch ads.
If I see an ad I'm just gonna cancel.
DrDeath666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck it. I've been meaning to set up a home server to stream video.
C_IsForCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because nobody's ever programmed something before to be told it wouldn't be used.
stevrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How often does the programming get thrown out after the company has a presser to double down on their decision?
Cows_Killed_My_Mom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. It wonโt matter once it starts.
koaladungface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:36:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I don't see why everyone is so indignant about this one. If they were showing ads for cleaning products sure, but its just promos for their own streaming content. HBO shows promos for their own material before every single stream and costs a few dollars more than Netflix every month. No one is boycotting Westworld or GoT.... Who cares if you see a promo for available content while binge watching The Office again. I'm more annoyed by the autoplay banners in the browser, tbh
stevrock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not using signal lights doesn't bother everybody, doesn't negate the feelings of those that are annoyed by it.
Sigmar_Heldenhammer ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:38:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, in that case, grab your pitchforks, everyone!
PaconBancake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Grab em'! Altough you shouldn't poke anywhere with them, or Netflix will think you want commercials.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:16:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Veteran programmer here.
As soon as you see an ad, close your browser, and stay away from netflix for at least a half hour when this happens, ideally for the rest of the day.
damitws6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So click skip or sit and watch the whole thing?
JaryJyjax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok... but how do I not interact with an ad? If I ignore it and just let it play isn't that letting them win? Wouldn't I want to skip it every time?
tika- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I donโt know the details of this and Iโd suggest looking at the thread I linked in my previous comment.
futurefiction2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I deleted my account. I feel like thats what we should be doing in this situation
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the option to put the head of the CEO of Netflix's prized horse in his bed while he sleeps?
crimson_possibility ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. Cancel your fucking netflix subscription, and tell them it's because they're shitty garbage corporate whores and their shitty ad gimmick. Fuck them, they said no commercials and they deserve to go under for this shit. If we don't stop it now it will be as bad as cable TV in three years.
thirstyross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol if you think this is going to stop them moving forward you are naive...
ProbableDialogue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the comment you linked is arguing against your position...if the only options are interact with (therefore voting for) the ads or not, why bother having the option turned on?
tika- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I realize that I linked the wrong comment, but the comments on the rest of the thread are where I got this info. Iโm not near a computer right now so I canโt change it at the moment
Anon5266 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thats not what I'm paying for. I'll opt out and of they show me ads I unsubscribe and move to another service. Simple as that.
jeb_the_hick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe people think Netflix will give a shit about that. They will definitely notice if more people unsubscribe
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Won't Netflix still get money for all verified "views" of an ad? They are similar to YT in they can easily verify that someone watched an ad. Not interacting just means they are watching but not following through.
meep12ab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. Not interacting with the ads doesn't make Netflix lose money. The vast majority of people already ignore ads, they don't care if you ignore them. The only way for them to lose money is if you unsubscribe. And I feel choosing to turn off the ads is a better way to voice that you're willing to unsubscribe over this.
Netflix isn't stupid. They're not going to simply use one percentage for their basis to make this potentially massive change. They're likely monitoring massive amounts of data, including how many choose to opt-out.
Also, how do you even 'ignore' an ad. Not all ads are PPC (Pay Per Click), sometimes just watching (or 'ignoring') them is enough. And Netflix's current ads clearly aren't PPC.
Kazaji ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of naivety lets you believe that they actually care about the percentage?
mulletarian ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:36:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then people who turn it off will stop complaining, and Netflix will think it's okay because nobody is complaining any more!
Sethapedia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So why not just keep it turned off? Seems like a simple solution to me.
shitpersonality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is only a temporary solution. Eventually it will no longer be a test and rolled into all accounts. People have to unsubscribe in huge numbers or netflix wont care.
Sethapedia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then people will start complaining again
shitpersonality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix wont care unless it causes them to lose enough subscribers to hurt them financially.
e22ddie46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As long they keep subscribing, this would actually be preferable for Netflix probably. Use less server space at the same price
Spiderranger ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:38:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this suggestion in another thread and it was countered by the fact that those who turn it off won't be included in the statistics as far as "X% of viewers who saw the ad elected to check out the show from the ad!" So while most of us just turn the "feature" off, those who keep it on will likely skew the statistics in favor of implementing the ads service-wide.
I can't say for sure if that's actually the case. I just wanted to add it in.
-Interceptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opting out is a statistical statistic too.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:36:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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udiniad ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:42:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opt out is a behaviour too
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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OlbapNamles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True you opting out years ago means your data will most likely be ignored.
But all of us who opted out because of this news shouldn't be ignored if they are being rational, but maybe as with any company they will just take the data that supports their claim and throw away the rest and in that case it doesn't really matter what we do
Whyskgurs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix stated publicly and officially it will not take user feedback into consideration (like in the past, auto play, 5 star system. etc.) only the results of their "testing" will be looked at. Opting out in this case would simply mean "I don't want to partake in the results you will use."
I know it should be itself, a metric, how many opt out, but its not nor will it be. Just so ya know.
OlbapNamles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes i know they said that but im choosing not to believe they are telling the truth, as in they will do whatever they want regardless of user feedback.
Hence why they just pick and choose the "feedback" that supports their claim and disregard everything else
Steffnov ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unsubscribing is a behavior too
ACuriousHumanBeing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not one they recognize.
Canโt wait for that to bite them back in the ass.
U747 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A/B tests don't work like that and when they look at the experiment results they're not going to see those opt-outs. Word might get around that a lot of people opted-out, but if ad-revenue goes up from those that stayed in the test, then this feature will stick around.
pencilpie0108 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and it'll show them the amount of customers they might get to pay for ultra premium, no-ad Netflix.
patientbearr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It seems obvious that this is where it's headed considering Hulu does the same thing
calilac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure is, but it's doubtful they would include it as a variable since including it would likely bring down the numbers they are looking for. I can hear someone in charge now, "make it look legit but do your best to make it successful so we can push it. The shareholders are getting restless."
shitpersonality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It just means your actions wont be part of the test. Unsubscribing will get more attention than opting out.
bozoconnors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure! If you're the executive pushing for this though... you gonna toss those numbers as "opt out" or include them in the "no" column when you report the results?
stevrock ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:48:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or they see it as indifference and continue with the ads. The only way is to contact them, and possibly cancel.
superduperduperday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They will be missing at least one data point if I ever see an ad. Netflix has been acting like blockbuster video used to. First they changed their interface for the worse. Then they changed heir ratings system so the end users had less information. Then they forced auto-play on us for some unknown reason. Now commercials. I have been with netflix since about 2002 and will be ending my relationship with them if I see a single commercial (opt-in or opt-out, I don't care at this point.) Dear Netflix marketing: I care a great deal if you make the entire experience miserable. Stop letting accountants set your corporate strategy.
Ballsackblazer4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand this argument. If 75% of people opt out of their test program, I think they will get the message.
Dimonrn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads work. People click, just cause people on reddit wont, doesn't mean the average consumer wont. Ads are coming no matter what. I mean hulu has them, Netflix was only a matter of time
Shakeyshades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu always had ads though. Which was a huge reason I never paid for it. Then they added pay more for no ads.
prodigalkal7 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:38:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Although I agree with what you said, it's in the text phase and will no doubt roll out to every user soon enough. The best way to tell them that this is not okay, and show them it's not welcome is to vote with your wallet.
I know people are reading this comment, and are nodding away as they groan about the commercials, and then a few months later when they're actually instated, they'll go "yeah but i wanna watch x show. I guess I'll just live through the commercials". Don't do it. Don't put up with it. It may hurt you to not be able to watch stuff on Netflix right away, but it will get better.
[And if you really want to watch the stuff, but can't unsubscribe because Netflix has the stuff you want, then like other users said, it's not that hard to find good streaming services, or better yet, torrent what you want and pair it with a personal streaming media like Plex, making your very own convenient Netflix, all of which are free. Hit them where it hurts. that's you send a message]
If every user here, hell every other user, that dislikes the commercials and cancels their subscription, Netflix will get the message. You can make as many petitions, Reddit posts, or blogs about how much you hate it; if you're still subscribed with them, you aren't giving them a reason to stop.
So, the best way to fight this slow rolling change, making Netflix essentially cable again, is to vote with your wallet. The minute you see a commercial, and you feel very strongly about it, unsubscribe.
Foulnut ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:26:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This should be higher up
mk2vrdrvr ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes,but also contact Netflix and let them know that ads are not cool.
ManBoyChildBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why? They literally dont care about feedback like this, as they shouldnt. It'd be unscientific and bad UX testing. Users constantly lie. i.e. "Ill move to X country if Y president gets elected" followed by a measly .03% increase in moving away.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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koshpointoh ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So angsty.
Netflix will only listen to subscription numbers. Litterally the only way to change their minds is to see subscription numbers drop.
ManBoyChildBear ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they wont listen to subscription numbers either unless it is a #massive drop off. They would need lowered active engagement numbers. If the subscribers that do exist get more engaged, thats more important than losing some customer that would likely leave within a year due to lack of interest anyways.
ManBoyChildBear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:59:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lmao no. Its just useless and futile, you can scream into the wind if you'd like, but really all you're doing is exposing your (lack of) understanding of product management
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ManBoyChildBear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They wont, I work in a design research firm, we explicitly remove and forbid general public outcry or positive virality from reports and focus on quantitative facts. and this is the standard practice. and its good scientific practice as well. The plural of opinion and anecdote is not fact. you're talking about this from an emotional, "this is how I want companies to work" status, and I'm talking about it from the way that companies actually make design decisions. I don't even care if this is a good UX or a good design at all, the REALITY is, the opinions of the masses does not matter if the actions of the masses are the opposite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ManBoyChildBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you aren't even arguing against points I'm making. You're purely attacking this grandiose projection of a strawman you want me to be saying. Remove your emotion and reread the argument. Unless you start arguing and treating your opponents in good faith, you will lose every argument; because currently, you're fighting in the mud.
ASK__ABOUT__INITIUM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a hard time finding shows I want. This is a welcome change for me, how do I double opt-in?
kerrrsmack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it shouldn't. The only solution is to cancel your subscription.
Foulnut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Hulu rep
kerrrsmack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I work for Hulu. Check out my PC, corporate-approved comment history. Oof
Foulnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/woooosh
kerrrsmack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:11:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see. It was like a joke but not funny.
pickledchocolate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because that'll stop them from doing it in the future lol.
Speaking with your wallet is much more powerful.
Just unsubscribe
philip_on_tacos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Meshuggahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have said that the metric they are using to determine if they should make these site wide was the number of users clicking the ad. So even better than not participating in the test would be to intentionally participate, deal with them for now and not click a single thing.
harpoonguild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're testing it to see if it gets them more views, not to see if we approve of it. It'll be implemented regardless of how many people opt out, unless it doesn't achieve their goals.
laughing-octopus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not participating in a test doesn't really let them know we don't like the feature.
That flag on the account simply tells them that we don't want to be subjected to any beta testing. Basically, "Don't put it on my account until it's bug free."
They are testing how to smoothly implement ads on their backend (getting the ads loaded, the right ad, etc...). Not whether we like it or not.
If they wanted to know if we liked it or not, they would ask with a survey "Was this ad helpful?", "Did this ad bother you?", "Would you continue to use our service is there were unobtrusive ads?"...
But, they already know the answer to those questions. They are working out how to implement ads. Not whether we will tolerate them or not.
The ads are coming.
whatevers_clever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opting out doesn't seem to work with reddit. Dont think it'll work with netflix. You need to Tell them you won't deal with thus bs. Not just be a silent dissenter.
suchbsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah no thanks netflix
gmwrnr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
mr_ji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they base their decisions on those who are participating, thus only considering those too apathetic to change anything. It's like voting: abstentions just don't count. If they wanted actual feedback, they'd give us the option to provide it. They don't want feedback, just skewed data they can point to as an excuse to say, "See? All these viewers were fine with it!"
karth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opting out just removes you from the testing process. You need to make your voice heard, by messaging Netflix, canceling my membership, or shit talking them on social media. I think we all know what we want to do. Eat some ice cream.
i__cant__even__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Done! Thank you!
squeda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah itโs A/B testing. They are only interested in those that actually see the content and what they do with it. We can probably make a big difference if as soon as you see an ad you close the app and donโt return for a while.
Sin_of_the_Dark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds, you say?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Leave your pitchforks at home, vote with your money. Unsubscribing requires less effort and has higher impact.
DrBobBarker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can we make our own?
MakeEveryBonerCount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arenโt their โadsโ just the 10-15 second lull between shows thatโs already in place? And itโs their own Netflix programming their advertising? It doesnโt sound intrusive.
Not defending ads on Netflix, just trying to get a scope of what ive heard of the situation.
GhostalMedia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not how AB testing works for most companies. If you opt out your voice wonโt be heard at all. If you want to be heard, remain in the test and negatively change your viewing behavior if you get selected for the new experience. Watch fewer videos in a session, use Netflix less, etc.
If you really hate ads, and you leave the test, you will actually help the shit experience win.
rustybuckets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are there left handed pitch forks?
Thomasab1980 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Done and done. It was annoying the piss out of me.
[deleted] ยท 409 points ยท Posted at 14:30:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if they start down this road I'm cancelling asap
Lightthrower1 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:13:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if they want to go the old road of Cable TV, we'll just cancel Netflix like we did for Cable.
Redxmirage ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:00:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this not what they understand? Do they not get the biggest appeal for their platform? They lived long enough to become the villain.
Where's the new netflix at?
shitpersonality ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The pirate bay
Stalin_vs_hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1337x is better
Legendary_Hypocrite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I canโt find shit on here I want to watch anymore. Would sign up for Stranger Things, binge it and then cancel after.
They have never had a great selection but all the things they did have that were worth it are now gone.
EatPussayNow69 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:00:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just pirate it.
subdep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
NetAdsโข
LeakySkylight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know you can turn them off right?
See the comment by /u/My_reddit_strawman
autumn_sun ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:56:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can for now, yes, but it's a very slippery slope when it comes to companies "testing out" advertisements.
TheSensualSloth ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:05:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, for now...
LeakySkylight ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind it, quite frankly. When I start getting toilet paper and credit card ads, I might rethink it.
TheSensualSloth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:33:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is how that starts.
Dasbo- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is how it starts moron
CMDRChefVortivask ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bye then nobody cares
drunkferret ยท 350 points ยท Posted at 14:19:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still haven't seen one. I watched a bunch of Netflix yesterday.
scoutiesteph ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 14:35:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs still being tested so only certain users are currently seeing them
Enriquehotpantz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can also opt-out of the tests
brorkoli ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 14:40:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All of the Netflix Originals are basicly product placement shows
drunkferret ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:43:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Product placement as in like, showing the Pepsi logo on a can as a character drinks a Pepsi?
MaxAddams ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 15:33:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For example; a sketch in which a character uses and is satisfied with the GE Trivection oven.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:47:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you in a tux?
MaxAddams ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:01:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's after 6. What am I, a farmer?
thorscope ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:55:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit lemon
uncleanaccount ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's after 6. What am I, a farmer?
dgmac13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's after 6. What am I, a farmer?
Plysmo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's after 6. What am I, a farmer?
xPRIAPISMx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or getting an instant pot from her mother as a present
suitology ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:15:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, im fine with it. Jessica Jones has a good taste in alcohol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you paid or what? Lol
I_dig_fe ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As in like, they're whoring out so bad there bowlegged
SnortWhoresFuckCoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It brings in the money, it's annoying but people still fall for it. I don't watch any Originals, are they on Transformer's level of product placement?
FinAdartse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember a shot from House of Cards where Frankโs wife was sitting in front of 2-3 active Apple devices. She was learning origami, or to knit or some such shit. Couldโve been Android, but still.
ThirdRook ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 15:12:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
House of cards: "Is that a PSP Vita? I have one and I play"
Yikes.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:23:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No fucking way did this actually happen?
Beyondintodarkness ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 15:40:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it wasn't specifically product placement. Throughout the first couple seasons its shown that Frank played video games to relax and his choice of game is often used to reflect his state of mind. It might be product placement but IIRC the creators have said they wrote it in that he plays video games, then shopped for who would allow them to use their game, at least for the first season. In one scene I remember he's extremely frustrated and is playing an FPS but later in that episode or a couple episodes later he gets so frustrated at a situation he can't even play games to relax, booting up the game only to turn it off and throw the controller in frustration. The scene OP mentions in particular is him faking kindness in order to endear himself to a character and his children even though he is manipulating that character and plans to ruin his career and life (in the end actually murdering him) to get ahead. His gaming again comes up in the second season when he becomes VP and he can no longer game online because of the Secret Service securing his home network. It comes up a couple times in Season 3 where he starts playing monument valley as he is going through a period where he feels restricted and confined by the white house, monument valley being a game he can play to reconnect to a hobby he gave up to get where he is. So, yes, product placement, but not nearly as cringey as it might seem out of context, here it is in service to the character and plot, not shoehorned in. He owns a PS4 but it is never mentioned by name as in this line and it makes sense in context because he only says the line to feign superficial interest as a manipulative tactic.
Edit: Realized I swapped "wasn't" and "specifically" which changed the meaning of my first sentence.
nomnomnompizza ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:59:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take product placement over characters having to be super generic and not mention any product names.
KlaatuBrute ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously never understood people's rabid opposition to product placement.
OMG THAT CHARACTER SAID ''HEY CAN YOU GOOGLE SOMETHING FOR ME" WHY IS GOOGLE TRYING TO RAM THEIR SERVICES DOWN MY THROAT I CAME HERE FOR A MOVIE NOT TO BE FORCE FED CAPITALIST PROPAGANDA
f_d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a normal form of product placement.
ThirdRook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like in the "spare no expense" land of jurassic world, everyone drives Mercedes.
monsto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WHAAAAAA??
Are you telling me that there's more to something than meets the eye?
That I should try to look beyond the nose on my face and see the details of a situation before running to get my frankenstein chasers?
But why? The exercise I get when jumping to conclusions is half the fun of it!
q1u2acker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beyondintodarkness ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:18:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I didn't realize I'd swapped those words. Its fixed now.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bought, played, and enjoyed Monument Valley purely on his recommendation in one episode.
remotectrl ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:27:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:54:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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XanXic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of when Chuck basically became a show about Subway and cars.
ThirdRook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least they know their target customers.
andrewchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't mind it so much if it helps fund more content that's worth watching even if theyre not award winning level while keeping sub costs at a reasonable level. More like a reasonable compromise to getting full blown ads.
Tubulin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the line was more like "Is that a PS Vita? I should get one for my car". Quite obvious to be product placement, but not as bad as OP wrote. Also it was already established that Frank plays video games so it is also not out of the blue.
ThirdRook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep season 1 when Frank visits Peter's apartment.
VulcanHobo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what that is. Hold on while I Bing it.
marioman63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if that is word for word the line, that is impossible to be product placement, because the official name is psvita, not psp vita. the latter is just plain wrong and is a non-existent device.
ThirdRook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry my paraphrasing quote was not perfect.
ACoderGirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, if so, it's pretty subtle. I watch a decent number of Netflix originals and the only one that has blatant product placement (as in, enough to make me notice) is the Joel McHale Show, and it doesn't exactly hide that at all.
They're not all good, but overall I find Netflix originals to be better than average. Mind you, the "Netflix original" label seems really broad. Eg, I recently saw a show on Netflix called Final Space that labeled itself as a Netflix original. It was a pretty good show so I looked into it after and am not really sure how it counts as an "original" given that it was originally aired on TBS (Wikipedia describes it as "distributed internationally as a Netflix Original").
somebodysbuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first(?) episode of Santa Clarita Diet involved three separate conversations about wanting a Range Rover because it's such a great car and a fantastic impulse buy. It's not what I would call "subtle".
mkultra9885 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all these people complaining about product placement must absolutely hate going shopping for anything. Omg look at the blatant product placement of those Granny Smiths!! Itโs disgusting! We are leaving this grocery store right now.
athytee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like Father was a cruise ship advertisement. Though I love Kristen Bell, so it's okay. Ha.
Yoshi122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what korean shows do, there's no commercials in the one hour episodes so they use product placement instead. Almost every kdrama will have a subway or papa John's scene
tatonkaman156 ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 14:41:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You definitely have seen ads on Netflix.
When you select a profile, you are immediately taken to a big advertisement for a Netflix special series or movie, and it starts playing a trailer if you sit there for more than a second.
After every episode, there's a link to a different show right beside the "skip to next episode" button.
After you finish a series or a movie, a trailer will automatically begin playing for a different series or movie.
If you keep a show/movie paused for too long, it will start a "screensaver" of sorts that shows posters for shows and movies.
You probably meant ads that interrupt the show, but all of the above are advertisements. Less intrusive than TV ads, but still ads.
Malphos101 ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 14:46:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I can immediately go to the content I want to watch with no wait and watch it in its entirety without interruption, I dont really consider it an "ad", at least not in the traditional sense used for television.
gravityGradient ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I had my pitchfork out but if this is what all the fuss is about I'm going back to bed.
SmileyNimbus ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:01:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd say your definition for ad, is my definition for commercial. Youtube calling interrupting videos ads feels wrong, they are commercials.
beardedheathen ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:26:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just being pedantic
SeohyunIsLife ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:32:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and wrong
SmileyNimbus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How am I wrong?
SeohyunIsLife ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:43:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All commercials are ads. Not all ads are commercials.
TobyInHR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs the difference between intrusive and non-intrusive advertisements. Commercials are intrusive because they stop content consumption to advertise. Same as pop ups, and to an extent, paywalls. Non-intrusive ads are banner ads, or the links Netflix already provides to their other content. They donโt halt your media consumption to advertise, but still engage you by displaying the content they want you to watch.
A 30-second ad before watching a show is probably a hybrid between the two, leaning more towards being intrusive. HBOโs streaming app already does this, and itโs not really a big deal. When itโs good content being advertised, Iโm pretty okay with it. But if they start interrupting shows and movies to advertise, Iโm going to cancel my subscription because that was the whole point of choosing Netflix over on-demand cable service.
I honestly donโt understand why Netflix would do this. For the most part, I enjoy a lot of what Netflix puts out with original series and movies. I constantly scour new releases and recently added sections, most of which are dominated by Netflix Originals. I donโt think they have a problem with engagement on original productions, at least not among my friends.
SnortWhoresFuckCoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought an ad and a commercial were the same things? Nobody says commercial that I know in the UK.
SmileyNimbus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ad is generally a pretty broad word where Iโm from. A newspaper has ads, billboards are ads, but radio or tv have commercials. Donโt know the etymology, but thats been the rough usage I am familiar with.
tatonkaman156 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:58:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More relevant and less intrusive than traditional television ads, but by definition, they are still ads.
Dengar96 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:09:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't the ads that top commenters in these threads bitch about though. It's not "Netflix sold out I'm cancelling" ads it's more "Netflix is promoting it's content that I'm already paying for". The idea of showing you new shows you may like is what drives Netflix's business, the method of forcing those promotions on the "continue watching" screen is really, really bad design and will just irk users until they get used to it or complain ad nauseum.
pupomin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great point. Although on Prime where they use these it seems typical for the first couple of seasons of the promoted content to be free while the most recent season is purchase-only.
I'm finding the way that Prime does it works really well. I don't really mind seeing promos, except that I'd like to be able to give feedback 'not interested' or 'add to watchlist' and then have that promo never shown again.
So far I've watched, enjoyed, and purchased two series promoted like this, so I guess I'm satisfied.
Dengar96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime would be far an away the best service if they had anywhere near Netflix's catalog to pull from. Their x-ray feature is neat and I like the interface, it's head and shoulders above Hulu and other non-netflix streaming sites. Being able to offer exclusive and licensed products next to premium new releases that you can buy is a great model.
Malphos101 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:03:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats why I added the qualifier "what I consider"
KDizzle340 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Recently Iโm getting ads for Netflix Originals in between episodes of whatever Iโm watching.
Enjoying [TV SHOW?]
Well, hereโs OUR tv show!
Weโre super confident youโll love it, so weโre just gonna start this trailer up unless you cliiiick... yep, alright, see ya!
Itโs not super intrusive but itโs easily the most annoying ads Iโve ever seen on Netflix. If they keep going down this path Iโm sure theyโll lose tons of subs.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's how advertising is done in the 21st century.
Malphos101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And if you finish the rest of the sentence you can see I am not talking about ads in a general sense but rather the type of ad that cable companies rely on that are unskippable and interrupt broadcasts.
That is how reading comprehension is done in the 21st century.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter why or how you don't consider it an ad.
As long as you don't mind watching them sell you stuff, the ad's doing their job. And it's even better if you can feel smug about it.
Malphos101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Considering my statement was me expressing my opinion on what feels like an ad to me, your definition of an ad is moot.
That is how personal subjective interpretation is done in the 21st century.
LvS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's really great to see your subjective interpretation basically shilling for advertising now.
The 21st century is great!
Malphos101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's really great to see someone be overdramatic about a non issue because they are too proud to admit they misread something and misinterpreted the meaning behind it.
That is how internet stupidity is done in the 21st century.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but what can I do if they don't do that. I can't fix stupdity after all.
drunkferret ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:49:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, you're right. I meant ones that acted like commercials on TV. If there was unskippable ads during or after a show or movie I was watching I'd cancel in a heartbeat. What they have now doesn't really bother me. Maybe I'm alone on that.
Propeller_Gato74 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:11:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I feel the same way. As long as it doesn't interrupt the show or movie, I don't mind.
tatonkaman156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I also would absolutely cancel if there were any unskippable ads.
Sometimes I delay selecting a show because we're trying to discuss what to watch, or we're discussing the movie that just ended. But then this annoying ad starts playing and interrupting our conversation, so I have to keep hitting the scroll button, mute the TV, or back out of Netflix again if I want to talk to somebody. Not as annoying as TV ads, but still annoying. Ads #2 & 4 on my last comment don't bother me, but I don't like #1 & 3.
UsagiTaicho ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:49:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but they are ads for other things on Netflix. It's not like they are ads for cars or diapers.
tatonkaman156 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More relevant and less intrusive than traditional television ads, but by definition, they are still ads.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the test hasn't been rolled out to everyone, just select groups.
i am not seeing the trailers between episodes...yet.
jp101195 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez dude. The embodiment of the TECHNICALLY meme
Gonzobot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
None of those are advertisements, you've already paid for Netflix. They're just recommendations for content you can already access.
tatonkaman156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What part of advertising requires the advertised product to cost anything? It's images and video that are shown to a viewer not at the viewer's request with the intent of promoting a specific product. That sounds like the definition of an advertisement.
Gonzobot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not advertising because at no point are they trying to, or able to, get any more of your money for the things they're showing you. If they're getting paid to show me one of their shows instead of another, all the power to them. It's still not an advertisement or commercial, though. It's an interruption.
tatonkaman156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:44 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's an unsolicited interruption to promote a specific product. How is that not an advertisement?
Since you're so hung up on the money part, the purpose of the advertisements in Netflix are 100% intended to get your money. You have to pay a subscription, right? So what if you reach a point where you feel that you have seen everything worth watching on Netflix, and you don't know of anything new coming to Netflix. At that point, you would probably cancel your subscription. So they show advertisements to make you realize there is more interesting stuff to watch so you should continue paying monthly for the service.
Gonzobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:00 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not interrupting anything until it stops the content to show you the other thing, dude. They're showing the same thing they were showing you already with the recommendations. They're not causing me to spend any extra money. If they're acquiring new content in order to make sure I see the value in my continued subscription, then why do you think it is some kind of trickery issue for them to show me newly acquired content that I might be interested in, since I've already clearly demonstrated I'm interested in the streaming video service they are already selling me?
You're making this into an issue that it isn't, and exaggerating every aspect of what is already a normal thing to try and, I dunno, monger some fear for some reason? I don't get your deal here, is my point. Can you actually quantify how much this change has impacted your life? Or are you being a reactive kneejerk opinionated fool on the internet just like everybody else?
tatonkaman156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:31 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1) As I say here, some of them are annoying (though less annoying than TV ads), and some of them I don't mind. But that's not what I'm trying to tell you.
You are saying "they aren't ads," and I'm saying "yes they are." That's it. I'm not trying to argue that they are good or bad or annoying or reasonable ads. I'm simply saying "they are ads," and I don't understand why you disagree when they clearly fit every definition of an advertisement.
2) You're the one that called them an interruption, so I was just going with what you said.
3) The recommendations are different because that is solicited. I am on the recommendations page specifically to look for recommendations. I am watching a movie to watch a movie, not to look for a recommendation. And the big ad at the top of the recommendation page is also an advertisement because that is a random Netflix production that is not based on my personal recommendations.
sleepswithwolves ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw them for the first time on Friday. It was pretty surprising but honestly it wasn't that intrusive. It was a very short trailer for a Netflix exclusive stand up special. After the first one with video and sound, it was just a title card shown between episodes. If that's the extent of them I can definitely live with it, but they can't claim commercials and ads aren't exactly that. Sure, businesses have to make money and expand, so show your ads but don't insult my intelligence.
Skeleporter ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 15:29:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, fuck this shit. I'm going back to books.
GimmieJohnson ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opens up book
SHY GIRL WALKS ON STAGE. YOU WONโT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!
Skeleporter ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:51:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Turn page, next page is giant bold text screaming at me to forget everything I know about household cleaning products.
GunGeek369 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:29:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please dont give them ideas. Magazines are already nothing but ads. If they end up in books...
GimmieJohnson ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:39:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And our journey continues on chapter 6...
Turns page to chapter 6
IN ORDER TO ACCESS CONTENT FROM CHAPTER 6 YOU MUST PURCHASE THE โADVENTURES CONTINUE DLCโ INCLUDING CHAPTERS 6 AND 7!!
mesasone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't do that thing [[do this instead]]
jeffthecowboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:52:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Page after, โHot single bookworms in your area!โ
subdep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, another Tide ad.
KeepItRealTV ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people won't see where wrong with this picture, go to page 212 to find out.
It's just a Tide ad!
TreatmentForYourRash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The moment that happens is the moment I declare war
Butwinsky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opens book More books by this author on first and last page.
That's it, I'm going back to smoking weed and looking at clouds.
Skeleporter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Skywriter flies by, writes FUCK YOU BUY ALTOIDS
Fireplay5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clouds have airplanes that can draw ads in the sky.
Weed it is then.
95829589256915810566 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
arr arr
The9thMan99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are into scifi try the Foundation trilogy by Asimov and the Eisenhorn trilogy by Dan Abnett. Their chapters are structured like a tv show episodes and they read like a movie script. They are very easy to binge on.
Skeleporter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds pretty good, I've actually been spending a lot of my downtime writing a sci fi parody type film script called MAX THRUSTERS. May be some good inspiration, thanks!
La_Lechuga ยท 685 points ยท Posted at 13:39:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
VPN's don't cost much and it's not hard to find a good streaming site. Also not hard to torrent shit.
Hit them where it hurts. Unsubscribe.
Lose_Your_Illusion ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 14:05:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you suggest a good (and free) streaming site? The only ones I've seen in recent years are sites like Primewire and Letmewatchthis, which are absolute dogshit.
MyNameIsRay ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 14:33:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have an android phone, Fire Stick, or install BlueStacks on your PC, you can use an app called Terrarium (https://terrarium-tv.en.uptodown.com/android).
It's basically an app that scrapes all the streaming sites and gives you a netflix-style interface to choose what to watch, for free.
Works pretty well, can even stream to a Chromecast.
If you use your phone to cast to a Chromecast, all you get is a 30-second ad on your phone while the show plays ad free on the TV. Otherwise, you get a 30 second ad after the show/movie, which isn't a big deal.
If you use a DNS level blocker (pi-hole for example), they don't show.
SquoniX ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:41:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just download the cracked pro version of it, that's what I did.
XanXic ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:28:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol wtf. Pirating a stream pirating app. They had to see that coming.
Sponxy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:51:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like using Limewire to download Limewire Pro.
XanXic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:00:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I was always worried uTorrent could tell I was downloading uTorrent Pro
La_Lechuga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I did. Also, for torrents, Deluge is pretty good.
Day_Bow_Bow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds pretty similar to Kodi plus Exodus (or whatever they are calling that plug-in now). Kodi doesn't have any ads that I remember. I couldn't say which app is the better user experience though.
MyNameIsRay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:09:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exodus shut down, I think the current name is Covenant, but there's a few others (Elysium, Specto)
Exodus had ads, in the same way Terrarium does- 30 second pop up after your show that can often be skipped or blocked.
Terrarium is a better user experience than all of them, by a long shot. It runs faster, is easier to install/setup/configure, has more functionality (like working favorites list without a second account, chromecast/ Fire stick compatibility, etc) and just seems to be more polished.
Extra_Crispy19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Covenant shut down too. Right now itโs Placenta or Incursion. It changes a lot but the older ones still work for a while longer just donโt get updated. Head over to r/Addons4Kodi to see the latest ones that work each month.
MyNameIsRay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why bother with that when you can just use terrarium and have it all, with less work, and no worries about it disappearing every month?
iaminfamy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can install Blokada on your phone that blocks almost all advertisments.
It even blocks most ads from mobile games.
RobotJohnny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, this is just a better version of showbox, thanks! If anyone struggles to find the cracked version, and is familiar with lucky patcher, then you can remove all the ads that way
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MyNameIsRay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome.
When you pull up a show/movie, there's a little star icon on the top right. Click it, it's added to your favorites list, so you can find it quickly next time.
I love that little feature, lets you skip the browsing and go right to a list of things you want to watch.
patrickthewhite1 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 14:18:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The key to finding good stream sites is surprisingly using bing rather than google. Google has a large amount of the questionably legal stuff removed. Here's what I do to find streaming stuff that's not on netflix/prime/ect.
Search on bing for what you want to watch
Any result without ".com" at the end is promising. This means the result is hosted in a non-us country.
Open the link and if it doesn't immediately show a window for the video, press the back key and go to the next one.
root_over_ssh ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 14:36:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... the domain extension has nothing to do with where it is hosted.
jazzwhiz ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:46:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, but it is a good indication and provides a decent rule of thumb.
Generic_Minotaur ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Freemovies.gov
mentarchis ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:48:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/FBI.pdf
root_over_ssh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely won't disagree with that in this context for finding a streaming site, but just wanted to clear that up so it's not taken as fact for everything.
ACoderGirl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:45:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True. The issue is actually about where the TLD registrar is located. The
.comregistrar is managed by Verisign and that's an American company. So it's relatively easy for US law enforcement to take down the domain if it's a.comsite. They might not be able to take down the host, but they don't need to to effectively bring the site offline. And once they seize the TLD, they can set up a honeypot to catch visitors.patrickthewhite1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair. It does seem follow that pattern though. I didn't do any research to get this method, I was just sharing what I found to be successful.
suitology ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bing is like the wild west of the internet. I looked up a r34 of a character my friend likes in a show and some of the suggested click tags was "grade school blowjob" "preteen feet" "real isis videos"
Like is this the normal rabbit hole for Bulma tits?
The9thMan99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do this on Firefox with uBlock Origin. You can download Firefox and uBlock for Android too.
Silentlybroken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do any of those have subtitles in English from your experience? The main reason I'm with Netflix is because most is subtitled (I'm deaf) and torrenting + matching subtitles used to take me hours :(
patrickthewhite1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so, but I haven't been specifically looking for that. I would guess that torrenting would be more consistent for subtitles.
Silentlybroken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for replying, I appreciate it. I guess I'll see how Netflix goes as to whether I resort back to subtitle matching to films (aXXo was the best back then lol).
patrickthewhite1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
aXXo, now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time :)
ChemEngandTripHop ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:25:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Download a torrent client, I'd recommend deluge.
Type '"name of your film in quotes" infohash' then select the long list of numbers and letters. eg 7643D0625DED0A5FC967B37A9D6AF6990236C180
Copy that code into deluge using the 'add torrent' button
Voila, you've got your film downloading without ever having to visit a dodgy site.
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Comments can also be bullshit, you can't trust anything on the internet. With torrents the best you can hope for is that the torrent with the majority of users would be the best one as otherwise no one would seed, more people click these links and they rise in google making the first infohash a pretty safe bet. Always use good virus protection when torrenting, virus' can be in any torrent and swapped in for good torrents at any time.
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, getting access to a private tracker has been incredible. Invite only is a great system.
ShadoWolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if your going to go the pirate route. kodi + quasar .. it gives you a psudo netflix like experence
AbhishMuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...how does this even work?
And while we're at it, how does the "index of" thing work either?
ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Infohash's are the unique ID used by torrents, they're the numbers inside the magent links as well.
What do you mean by index of?
AbhishMuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aah thanks.
I meant the way you can search for songs (I suppose other things too) by using a search term like "index of" "song name" "artist name".
For example
ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah 100% do that for all sorts of things, handy if there's two versions of a film and you know the right year too
XanXic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's this doing? Making a magnet link in google results? (at work otherwise I'd just try it) I don't get how you'd get decent trackers and quality without checking the info on the dodgy site.
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:09:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bezos earns $2M every hour, I can barely afford rent. I wouldn't buy the product anyway and stealing doesn't take that item away from the creator. I support small creators but Amazon and the major film industry can go fuck themselves, its our taxes paying to subsidize amazon workers, they pay less tax as a percentage than me.
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bezos can pay them far more than he does, same way music labels could pay their artists decently but don't. I'm not changing that at all.
Of course not but netflix is worth more than Disney and Comcast and another one of Bezos' companies just became the first ever to reach a worth of $1 Trillion. I think it's still very profitable for them.
Automation and inequality are driving people out of work
Edit: I should also add that Netflix is very different to normal companies, Disney World alone employs 15x more people than the whole of Netflix. God knows how many in total for Disney. Netflix is part of a group of companies who are completely separate to the rest of the world basically.
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nttea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would "steal" a rolex if it meant nobody lost a rolex when i did so. Coming to think of it i'd probably steal a rolex from rolex company if i could get away with it, not like their shareholders are going to starve.
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Nega-Chin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By that logic you are putting people out of work by not actively watching every movie ever made. Shame on you!
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Nega-Chin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now you see how screwed up your own logic is, good job! Pirating doesn't take away jobs from anyone if you were never planning on purchasing the content in the first place, any more than someone not watching it at all does.
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Nega-Chin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being a thief and taking away jobs from people are two different moral issues, I think many people would take things if they could magically clone them and leave the original copy with its rightful owner
nttea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with stealing from the people who have so much money that they only treat it as a high-score. They'd fucking murder my face in if it meant an extra dollar in their pocket.
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nttea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never stole a thing in my life though. Big companies on the other hand.... Anyway i don't know why you take the time out of your day to shame me for the most minor damage someone could possibly do in this world so full of people doing actually hurtful things.
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aboration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
maybe your content was bad or your distribution model was awful. probably both.
nttea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did you use to do?
pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:33:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded. Grow up.
ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, obviously not difference is Rolex aren't screwing over their suppliers and employees and also don't have a digital product than can be copied without effecting the original.
I guess that's why even box office profits continue to grow and all these companies continue to have record sales highs.
Yeah realised my mistake. Netflix is still worth over $100 Bn with an effective monopoly on creators
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and I also know that the industry is still growing strong with record profits, if they want to pay their employees well they can.
Yes and they still make profit, most pirated material ever was game of thrones, I don't think they're struggling too much. it's also like $20 for a movie ticket and popcorn, cinema has historically been accessible at way lower prices and nowadays it just isn't economical for a lot of people. The companies still make tons of money, their staff still get paid, what's the harm?
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we were talking more generally about piracy now?
You know that being purposefully obtuse doesn't further your point, right?
Edit:
Did you read the article? They also said the overhaul was due to them wanting to appeal to mobile viewers.
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read it? It was about the fact they want to appeal to a larger market in mobile viewers and move away from the format of a small number of high quality shows.
Are you 12?
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a 300% profit, what are you struggling to grasp?
Edit: I'm more than happy for you to take the high ground and pay for netflix, the point I'm trying to make is that these companies are fucking over their suppliers, employers and customers so if you want to enjoy their nice UI, go ahead, but I'll have the inconvenience of torrenting and get it for free whilst having no effect on the huge profits these companies continue to make whilst a huge portion of America has almost no savings due to the ridiculous inequality facing us at the moment.
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a relative term, shareholders can say they think a company should be making more money and the CEO will then say they need to become more profitable. Doesn't mean they were unprofitable before.
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HBO made over $1Bn profits, why don't you try and read the article
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's such a straw man, HBO themselves have said it's due to the changing consumer habits whereby they prefer to watch content on their phones, HBO just think they can make more profit there now.
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can stretch that argument as much as you like but you're not charging my mind.
I'm broke, as long as no harm occurs to anyone else I'll continue to pirate
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ChemEngandTripHop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that's the one, that is the definition of piracy...
pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded. Grow up.
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Are you paying for something that costs money?" - I'm not being charged by the provider, so not stealing. Hypocrite.
Neither of us are going to change our opinions, lets end this bickering, respectfully.
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Again, show me the written law. Hypocrite.
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded. Grow up.
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OrionActual ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:13:30 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that neither of you realised the irony of parroting "grow up" at each other like children is unfortunate.
Please keep comments civil and avoid personal attacks.
OrionActual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:46 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that neither of you realised the irony of parroting "grow up" at each other like children is unfortunate.
Please keep comments civil and avoid personal attacks.
pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If there was no profit in it why are they doing?
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like how you're doing with every comment that you disagree with?
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even going to try to justify it.
But my argument is, I'll pay for content when it's easier than pirating it.
Music: Spotify made me stop pirating cold turkey.
Video Games: If your game comes rolled up with some shitty anti-DRM software that acts as malware and bogs down my system, you can bet your ass I'm pirating it. Also to try out games to see if it's actually worth the money. Got burned by No Mans Sky, as you don't realize the game was shit until at least 8 hours in, when you discovered the content just stopped after a while. "But steam has refund services!" Yeah, and 2 hours is not long enough, nor is every game on steam. Prime example, I pirated Dead cells and within 30 minutes of playing it I had already bought it on Steam AND my switch, because I want to support devs who aren't actively trying to attack their customers.
Movies and TV: Give me one freaking service to watch my content on. I'm not subscribing to 10 different services to watch 11 different shows. It's turning into cable again and I refuse to support that kind of industry.
Again, not saying pirating is right, but people have their reasons for doing so. When companies care more about preventing people from consuming their product unless under VERY specific circumstances, such as DRM, Region Locking, or always-online connections, than they do about simply providing the consumer the product in a convenient way, that is when I stop caring. Until things change, I'll continue to pay exclusively for my plex subscription as right now it's the only 'service' that actually has everything I want on it, because I load it myself, and that doesn't even NEED to be torrented items, half of it is filled with blue-ray rips and DVD rips (which I might add ALSO have 'protections' to prevent you from ripping content YOU OWN).
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asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to hear that's all you took out of my post.
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asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously you didn't read my entire post then. Feel free continuing to be one of those people who refuses to even try to understand any kind of counter-argument against your own.
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Liar, guaranteed you have copied music and videos without consent.
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you have written permission from the copywrite holder to distribute protected material? How about your music collection? Watching streamed content isn't illeagal, fact jack.
Between the artist and the end user is a web of deceit that steals the money you think you're missing out on.
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you do, check you music collection.
I'm not downloading, I have no physical copies, watching a stream isn't illegal, what don't you understand?
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:11:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://old.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/98tbm3/netflix_shows_commercials_claims_theyre_not/e4j9j8i/?context=3
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metaReverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:22 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First, I'm a pirate. I pirate everything and pay only to humble bundle and indie devs/musicians in general.
Streaming is downloading. Defacto -- you must download the data and it must reside on your computer for you to consume it. By the time you finish watching an episode of a show that you've streamed your computer will have requested, downloaded, stored, and replayed the content.
If the content is copyrighted and you did not pay for legitimate access by a legal provider, it is still copyright infringement to download it and posses it.
Streaming is the exact same as downloading, though it is different than uploading.
pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:00 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against watching a stream regardless of its origin, your argument is moot, and calling people thieves for doing it is unfounded.
metaReverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:15 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol.
It's nothing to do with it being a stream. It is copyright infringment to (possess) download copyrighted content if you do not have a license to do so.
Streaming is downloading as a digital copy of the infringing material must be requested by you, sent to you, downloaded by you, and kept by you in order to watch it.
It's not hard to understand. It's very simple.
And I'm a pirate myself, so I don't know what you're going on about with your thief bullshit.
pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:33 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what you're talking about, I'm not going on with any "theif" bullshit.
metaReverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:49 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
literally you just said it
pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:00 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I copy pasted that and didn't edit it for context. I was arguing with another user on the same subject.
MrDePENDERble ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you havenโt heard of the government
dont_judge_me_monkey ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:50:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Kodi
/r/Addons4Kodi
prodigalkal7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/Plex
wetchup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
R/addons4kodi absolutely but don't go to r/Kodi looking for piracy help. It was never designed for the piracy people use it for nowadays.
That's not to say I disagree with piracy, just that you won't get any help there.
ktkps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will not judge you for that
seanpeery ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anime/Cartoons watchcartoonsonline.com
Kanaric ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Terrarium TV on android and using chromecast on your TV was my solution.
If I want to watch something on my PC I just go on demonoid or pirate bay and download it. Make sure you have adblock and/or ghostery when visiting those sites to avoid annoyance.
I also pay for netflix and prime and won't be unsubscribing over previews. On Prime it's like 4 seconds at the beginning and you hit the skip button. I don't really see what people are whining about.
I have been thinking of just unsubscribing from everything and just pirating it all again. However i've been thinking of paying for CBS All Access since they are going to have two Star Trek series and I want to support that lol.
Foulnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it sideloaded?
Kanaric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:52 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have to download that from their website and install it. It's not in the play store.
I think that's what sideloaded means but i'm not sure.
bulltank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So check out FreeFlixHQ and if youre ok with spending 10$ a month, you can get an iptv service
jock-o-homo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:18:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Leonflix, thereโs a sub for it so if you want more info look there
coffee_queeen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
!Remindme 24 Hours
stuntaneous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plex, Emby, etc, plus torrents.
Vagbloodwhitestuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mobdro. You'll need to download it. It's a third party app. They have live TV and tons of great TV shows that they steam. Unfortunately the TV shows just steam you can't pick episodes to watch but it's a great app
LuminalGrunt2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get Leonflix, finds streams of every show to one program.
trafficrush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Primewire just disintegrated in the last few months. I'm pretty bummed. I used it all throughout school and it was great. As of recent I tried using it again and it goes nowhere but ad filled sites and third party websites that need sign ins. Never used to be like that.
mtm4440 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just get Kodi. Finds the sources for you and bypasses all the ads and malware because it streams from the direct .mp4 source.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude okay the most perfect video streaming site Iโve ever found (trust me, after a long search) is sharemovies.net - no pop up ads, huge database with a shit ton of films/ TV shows, easy to use: canโt go wrong
rationalinquisition ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look for Leonflix. Not a site.
deadbeatsummers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think primewire is down now.
AidanCYT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use LeonFlix to watch movies. I don't think they have a streaming site, but they have a Windows app which is pretty good. It will crawl the internet for the best source of the movie or show that you want to watch.
ORJUAN_SC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Popcorn Time for Android, IOS, and Windows is damn phenomenal. Get it now. Movies are at stellar quality (even if they take a while to get to there) and the UI is simple and easy to stream/download.
mankstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Icefilms
laihipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
look for a private torrent site dedicated to Movies and/or TV, streaming is generally crap
reclusivedude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cafehulu.com
https://ymovies.tv/home/
http://www7.putlockers.fm/
http://solarmoviesc.co
These are the ones I use. Make sure you have ublock/adblock installed and preferably use a VPN. I watch these even without a VPN half the time but that's a bigger risk and I am just lazy.
For those who want to watch Anime:
https://www8.9anime.is/
https://www.masterani.me/
Kissanime.ac used to be good but it's dogshit now. Still works if you absolutely can't find a specific anime show anywhere else.
crescentwings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:06 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Popcorn Time.
Beware of the fake/malware laden versions though.
Szymas255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like popcorntime.sh. It uses torrents so use a vpn
jomontage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use putlocker. Sometimes finding good what you want can be a pain but just googling "name of movie putlocker" will usually get you there
ois747 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I usually have decent luck with putlocker
TemporaryMonitor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:01:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
!Remindme 5 hours
Rounder057 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:05:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have Apple, movie box will pretty much crush any need for a pay site. It is very simple to download. I paired it with my Apple TV and just cast from my phone to that. It is awesome.
Ppubs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that worked REALLY well when Hulu pulled this right? It's inevitable
Useful-ldiot ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But for those of us refusing to go the illegal route, we are kind of stuck. That being said I will definitely cancel if I see a commercial
Eduardo_squidwardo ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:52:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A legally questionable, but morally acceptable route is Plex. It's basically your personal Netflix. You supply the shows on your own server / PC, and then you watch them on your all your devices. It's super easy to set up, and I'd highly recommend it
thorscope ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:58:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plex is 100% legal and morally sound, the stuff you have on your hard drive that Plex is able to stream might not be.
Eduardo_squidwardo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Just buy your movies folks.
saltflatter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
uh
Josh_Crook ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The content you watch with Plex doesnโt have to be pirated...
saltflatter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but the comment was in response to "the illegal route of torrenting"
plex is just a media server. it has no content.
Josh_Crook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was in response to "refusing to go the illegal route"
saltflatter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my point is that plex is not an alternative route at all.
Josh_Crook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it not? I believe they're saying you can put your own content in an easily accessed system with a better UI and no ads.
berryer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not true, if you purchase media & back it up to plex
saltflatter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
which is why i compared it to windows media player
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Eduardo_squidwardo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could buy them
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Eduardo_squidwardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have to copy them off the disk, or download them without drm
the_one_true_bool ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:52:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DurtyLilSlut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wut
pyerrorwtf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:00:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever gone slightly over the speed limit at any point in your life, then you're already a worse criminal than an internet pirate.
Useful-ldiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just figured I didnt want to be sued for enormous amounts of money. I'm definitely not informed on the legality, but I figure why risk it when it's easy to not do it.
pyerrorwtf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:46:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds an awful lot like driving 20 in a 50 to avoid the risk of being executed by the state, but whatever.
Useful-ldiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no... sounds more like driving 50 in a 50. but even still... a speeding ticket is a couple hundred dollars. Isn't the punishment for torrenting something like $10,000?
pyerrorwtf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just keep spending your money on digital media. It's fine. You're safe.
stevrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I gave it a decent try. I've been using Netflix for years. I subscribed to shomi when it existed, I signed up for Prime as soon as video was available in Canada. However I refused to support a system that becomes the one I left.
gazeebo88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it truly illegal if you download a show that's on Netflix if you have an active Netflix subscription?
JebBartlet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get any ownership rights to the media by paying your netflix subscription, you just get the right to access Netflix's platform. So if you torrented a show onto your plex server you still have no legal rights to stream it to yourself or others in the eyes of the content owners.
rationalinquisition ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming isn't illegal. Even if it were copyright infringement, that's a civil violation, not a criminal violation. It's only a criminal violation if it is for financial gain.
And on the civil side of things, nobody has ever been sued for streaming content. If you torrent or otherwise download it they have (rarely) gone after people, but not for streaming.
blowthatglass ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any suggestions for good VPNs? Last time I pirated limewire was still around. Been paying for content for a long time but this might push me over the edge.
moutonbleu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirating doesnโt help fund content creation unfortunately...
VerySuperGenius ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's simple folks. If Best Buy is charging too much for TV's, just steal them from Target. Hit them where it hurts. Steal.
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OrionActual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:38 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please keep comments civil and avoid personal attacks.
La_Lechuga ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't download a car
ChaosAE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't and can't are not the same words
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La_Lechuga ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:34:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh teach me how to pirate Rolls Royces please
laihipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in the not too near future when 3D printing becomes real this will be a thing
plenty fleshed out in a number of Sci Fi works already
it's even in gaming... look up Subnautica
mikepictor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or, and hear me out here, because it's still cheap, has loads of content, and the ads (though I have yet to see even one) come at the end of the show were it does't matter....stay subscribed and support legal content.
stat_padford ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It never ceases to amaze me how many people get upvoted for saying โunsubscribe and illegally download itโ as if theyโve earned the right to do that because the only other option is watching an ad once per episode...
LuminalGrunt2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't "earn a right" to commit a crime, you just do it. If torrenting is a crime I'm Pablo Escobar. That being said I still own a Netflix subscription, as it's still more convenient than torrenting. That being said I don't pay Netflix for ads in my show, it's no better than cable then.
mikepictor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean....it IS a crime. That's not up for debate.
LuminalGrunt2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bad, I do know it is a crime, but I'm not morally affected by it, and most people arent either.
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mikepictor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to get all whiny and sarcastic about it. I just said it is a crime....it is. Live your life, just don't delude yourself.
laihipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:20 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see self reflection is not your strong suit
I_survived_the_ban ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve seen a few โwell you can get the Netflix shows on other sites anywaysโ. You wonโt get them anywhere unless someone pays for the subscriptions!
DesertCoot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HBO Now and Amazon Prime both play ads for their own shows at the beginning of an episode and I donโt find it bad at all. Honestly didnโt even think of them as โadsโ so much as โtrailersโ, which I personally like. Iโve found out about new shows that way that I otherwise would have missed.
stevelord8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โBut I only use torrents for Linux distros! Never illegal media!โ
bathrobehero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those doesn't exist unless you don't mind their utter garbage quality.
jib661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lots of people WILL unsubscribe, but netflix isn't just some niche streaming service. lots of people will stay with them through pretty much anything now.
ois747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
any torrent site recommendations? the mainstream ones have gone to shit these days
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ois747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's alright but really slow for me these days
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ois747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sorry i just meant navigating the site is slow, probably because my ISP blocks it except for the shitty proxies. torrent speeds on good torrents are fine, have 360Mb download
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UlyssesSKrunk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate bay is still the mediocre but good enough torrent site it's always been.
Eshmam14 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are VPN's even necessary? Is any action ever taken or has there ever been a case of a person being reprimanded for pirating?
Hyndstein_97 ยท 300 points ยท Posted at 14:04:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo ho Yo ho a pirate's life for me...
I tried to pay for their service but deliberately crippling the UI and adding advertisements is too much for me, I'm out as soon as I see an ad.
Victernus ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:17:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix really shouldn't forget that the only thing keeping it ahead of it's competition (which isn't cable boxes, it's getting stuff for free) is convenience and the quality of the experience. If either of these things drop... well, there goes their entire selling point.
Compare, for example, GoG. Good Old Games is almost exclusively stuff you could pirate. Heck, they require that games they sell have no DRM (because it's harmful to the end-user experience, but pirates can get rid of it).
They understand that they are competing with piracy. So they have provided an experience that is better. And people pay for it, shock of shocks! I have a huge GoG library, and I will recommend it to anyone who is interested in playing games on a PC.
It's so nice to be able to get games that are almost as old as I am, and then have them work on these new-fangled computer boxes.
Netflix, meanwhile, makes binge-watching a series a lot quicker and easier than a piratical option (depending on your internet speed, of course). It remembers exactly where I am in an episode if I have to go to sleep, or if my house burns down, or whatever. And it lets me skip credits and intros, and remembers that I like to do that, for optimum amount of time spent actually watching the show I'm watching (and even prevents itself from skipping if the show is doing a different intro or something is happening through the credits - wonderful!)
But if this ease of use and general quality slip, and you're spending ten seconds of every episode you watch waiting for a trailer to be over... It becomes more worth your time to just spend a few hours downloading the shows you like for free, instead of paying money to waste your time between every one.
Now, obviously, they have their own metrics, and their own goals. Customer satisfaction is to be considered, but only to further the ultimate end goal which is, of course, making money. And maybe they have data that says I'm 100% wrong, and they make way more money with these trailers than without them. It's possible.
But considering the streaming service rush that appears to be happening, snapping up customers who are really only going to pay for one or two... well, there used to only be a few good places to stream shows and movies online. Once there are a dozen, I think quality of content and quality of experience are going to determine market shares to a fairly heavy degree. After all, who wants to pay money to be frustrated? (Insert joke about fans of rival sports team here)
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Victernus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People will pay for the best experience.
But paying, itself, makes the experience slightly worse. Especially when every new generation is getting less and less to spend.
So you have to keep your service better than the free one, or why would somebody pay for it?
Seems simple to me.
thereasontherumsgone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think this signals that Netlifx is at market saturation - they don't think they can secure many new subscribers, therefore they really don't care about "selling" their product.
At this stage, it is about monetizing the exisiting users as much as as possible, but slowly enough so they don't cancel their auto pay. Look at all the comments promising they'll cancel if they see one ad - Netflix knows most of them won't actually do it, and the ones that stay generate more ad money than is lost in canceled subscriptions.
Hyndstein_97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this, I'd be happy to pay for Netflix but this is just the last thing for me that makes it less hassle to pirate. I put up with autoplay and the match system but this is too much for me.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The mere mention of Netflix testing ads was enough for me. I was on the fence with the UI change for auto-playing trailers hoping that they'd revert it. That's it I'm out. I still pirated most of my content regardless if it was on Netflix due to the UI change, but felt a little better about it knowing I paid for it anyway. I prefer my plex box to Netflix's UI any day.
Stormfly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:51:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to pirate, but I stopped once I started using Crunchyroll and Netflix.
Now that both of those are going to crap, it seems like I'll need to brush up on my sea shanties...
agzz21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's going on with Crunchyroll?
Stormfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It just runs terribly for me now, and from what I hear they are outsourcing everything and it's causing issues with the software. It was bought out by a big company (Verizon?) so people are guessing it's cost-cutting measures.
It might just be flash is causing issues, but they don't show signs of putting any decent progress into moving on from flash player.
There are also stories every now and then of subs issues (mistranslation) and of declining quality (1080p not being 1080p) which just makes it seem like Pirates are both better quality AND free.
I don't know how much the studios actually benefit from Crunchyroll either, so even my conscience might not be enough to keep me there if it keeps getting worse.
DurtyLilSlut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Greed ruins everything
NerD__RagE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Captain, your crew ready for the journey. Shinsekai awaits.
Baron164 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:34:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yarrr matey
jawnlobotomy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yar har twiddley Dee
Being a pirate is okay with me
Remember a time when Netflix was ad free
You are a pirate
degenererad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is.. i still torrent just about everything new and rewatch shit on netflix later on for convenience and some type of financial transaction in an absurd overpaid culture. It would be sooooo goddamn easy to just throw it out again. Was without it for about a year and it didnt really hurt. If they add the sliiiightest of ad.. thats it. Its just another fucking tv channel.
BadAndy3249 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, can I interest you in some nice
u s e n e t ?tabarra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do have a Netflix account but quite often I still end up torrenting some stuff, even Netflix Originals.
No buffering, no browser player, no bullshit.
I basically only use Netflix when something is quite old/unpopular and torrenting would be hard, or when it's some small season of a show that I probably would never watch again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to continue to sing your second statement to the time of a pirates life. I was sad it didnโt work, I really tried.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Hyndstein_97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing themselves heavily as ad-free then introducing ads has me at the point where I don't really give a shit whether I'm entitled to it or not. Massive fuck you to customers who are paying a lot of money. I'll start paying again when they get rid of ads.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Josh_Crook ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sure you live a sparkling life where convenience never impacted you and never broke a law. Youโve never broke the speed limit or jaywalked? And youโll do it again. Donโt be so self-righteous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Josh_Crook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FWIW, I'm not disagreeing with your main point.
"Disagreeing with their business model does not entitle you their content."
I agree, but going around berating people for doing it is a bit churlish. Just as it would be to berate people for jaywalking.
pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:07:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From the stock trader who's actions value and devalue a company for his own profit, hypocrite.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:09:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://old.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/96ubfc/i_have_around_30000_and_i_want_to_make_1000/e444jti/?context=3
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what about all the people who can't afford food and water and you complaining about promo ads for something you already own and can use. Whataboutism for your whataboutism.
thoggins ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:30:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Make me.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pcs2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate streams are not illegal, been streaming anything I want for years.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pcs2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watching Pirate Streams Isn't Illegal. Stop astroturfing for ad companies.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:49:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pcs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We don't like it when you steal or identity and sell it, theif.
thoggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the law won't make me do anything. At worst my ISP will object, but there are very easy and cheap ways around that.
At least for the present, if you want to be compensated for your work you have to come to us. We don't have to come to you.
Sorry.
random_guy_11235 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously you are exactly right ... but this is Reddit, just as obviously you are going to get downvoted. People are most touchy and defensive about behaviors they know are wrong.
AdronScyther ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Copied from another thread discussing this:
Every successful product, service, or company undergoes 6 stages.
Underground Stage: It isn't fully developed, but it is used by people in the know. Users tend to consider themselves an exclusive club and try to spread it to their trusted friends.
Golden Age: It is decently developed, and enjoys considerable popularity. This is the best time to be a part of it.
Cultural Peak: It becomes available on store shelves and is known by pretty much everybody.
Taxation Stage: As competitors appear and new ideas wait on the horizon, it begins to employ some additional monetization techniques, some of which are blatantly anti-consumer.
Cash-out Stage: Desperate to stay relevant to investors, it employs all the monetization techniques it can get its hands on, and cuts all the corners it can. Maximum profit for minimum effort is blatantly obvious. Usually bought out by competitors during this stage.
Death: The thing is a shell of its former self. It doesn't even work properly anymore, and its workers are set on a death march. Downsizing happens left and right as the owners disassemble the entire project. Eventually the thing shuts down in favor of newer things, becoming a footnote in history.
Discord is in the cultural peak stage.
Netflix is in the taxation stage.
Reddit is in the cashout stage.
This cycle happens to every good thing, always and forever. Instead of crying over it, it's best to learn to recognize the signs and develop exit strategies when the time comes.
Microtiger ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:35:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fortnite screaming into Taxation phase
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:51:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not crying you're crying.
Really though, even memes mocking fortnite are in decline. Still popular, but I reckon it peaked mid season four.
NotTheRealKanyeWest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What else about Fortnite is being monetized that isnโt already?
Fireplay5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder where PUBG is on this. A mix of taxation and underground?
Lazer726 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who doesn't actually play it, what is monetized besides skins, that wasn't already done at launch?
Dont_tip_me_BTC ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:55:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's impressive how MoviePass managed to go through all six stages within a year.
brianwantsblood ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That'll happen when your business model makes no sense.
Shermo84 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile piracy has been in the golden age since inception ๐คฃ
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:55:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Shermo84 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't changed how I download for years (20 at least), sites are there if you know where to look. Games are still cracked as quick apart from denuvo
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter if games are cracked. The big games (like League of Legends) require you to be online to play and you can't host custom servers.
LvS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:59:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is in the Death stage.
It's full of ads, everybody is trying to get you to subscribe, search engines don't find it anymore and all you download is spyware.
The Golden Age of piracy was around the time this thing was current.
Fireplay5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more cultural peak leaving the golden age.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:40:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Dont_tip_me_BTC ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:00:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"When you figure that out, would you mind letting me know too?"
-Every investor on the planet
NotTheRealKanyeWest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should probably get a shovel then or maybe a really big drill
volfin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So when is Facebook and Twitter gonna die? it can't come soon enough.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The above model only applies to companies not strongly associated with the Intelligence Community.
volfin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, I never much Intelligence in the community there.
Fireplay5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook is definently taxation at least. I don't use Twitter so Idk on that.
dylanbob5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a perfect chart for a successful product's life. I called this years ago back when Netflix was at its peak. It was inevitably going to get too bloated and too corporate driven. Their programming isn't even that great tbh. They have a few gems but it seems like they're just throwing every idea out there so that eventually there will be a hit. But the more they invest in original content the less they have to rely on paying for the rights to lease content from other networks/studios.
The9thMan99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that the licenses for streaming the non Netflix Original shows and movies get more and more expensive to renew, because there is now more demand than there used to be back when Netflix started. By 2008-2010 when Netflix started getting big they were the only company buying streaming licenses, so they were very cheap, and Netflix could afford a lot of shows. Now, there are multiple competitors, from very large companies like Google, Amazon or Comcast, or even the show producers themselves, bidding for streaming licenses, which raises their prices. Not to mention the slowing growth of customers, most of which can only afford 1 or 2 subscriptions. Netflix tried to pull subscribers by pivoting into a producing company with their originals, and it worked for a few years, but now others are doing this too.
So that leaves Netflix with a dilemma to stay profitable and relevant: either raise the subscription price (something not really acceptable nowadays), or find new forms of income, like ads.
TheSultan1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an alternative-app Reddit user, I see Reddit in a sort of preliminary phase of the Taxation stage (because of ads in the app and the odd shill post). But as soon as they start pushing promoted/sponsored posts to third-party apps, it'll instantly go to the Cash-Out stage at which point I'll be desperately looking for alternatives.
KlaatuBrute ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As Gary Vee says, "marketers ruin everything."
Bravot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is entertaining, but a gross over-simplification
CptFoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
--- George Box
Sunch1p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed this cycle before. It does still suck to see companies you once loved go down the same fate tho.
reallynormal_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does anything ever go back a stage? Or is everything headed towards its inevitable death?
Fireplay5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to go back a stage when you live in a capital driven society.
dave_gormen_3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple in taxation/cash out
Avarix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except Netflix isnโt in competition with those other platforms since you canโt get Netflix content anywhere else. They will be in the cultural peak until they start licensing out their content to other services.
My_reddit_strawman ยท 291 points ยท Posted at 14:59:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.netflix.com/DoNotTest
LeakySkylight ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:36:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The most important comment here .
Mods, is there a way to sticky this?
BunnicusRex ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 15:39:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, sorry, can't even sticky another mod's comment, only our own comments. Can sticky something & credit /u/My_reddit_strawman though.
achillies665 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:22:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on mobile, can someone tell me what the link goes to?
2metal4this ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It linked me to an opt-out for previews and such.
nickajensen00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix Account>Account Settings>Test Participation
Prison__Mike_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cancelling subscription
Daizyboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
Virgin_Dildo_Lover ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The hero we need, but do not deserve!
Guntermonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Disabled that annoying auto play something next while I was in it. If only thereโs an option to disable auto previews on XBox Live.
jamescfm ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 15:42:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads are the single easiest way to trigger Reddit users.
MxCherryBlue ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:05:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about Reddit ads?
ParameciaAntic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:37:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gold, baby!
Or hell, they're changing that too now I think.
droans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Charging for a service is next easiest way.
MarioKartGuy27 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:24:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thats the thing. I am being charged for netflix. So why am I seeing ads? If its free, ads are fine, if its not, go fuck yourself.
FuriousTarts ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:43:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they aren't ads for other products. They're simply advertising their own content.
HBO has been doing it for decades hut nobody reasonable says that HBO has commercials.
droans ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:31:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd understand if they wanted to create some low-tier service for, say $5 per month which gives you the same service as their next option except with ads. But I disagree with giving their current plans ads.
RedeRules770 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See that's what Hulu does but it's like 4 ads per episode. And if you're watching on mobile and lock your screen for two fucking seconds the show closes, which means you have to start it up again and watch another ad. I cannot tell you how many times I actually watched like 10 ads per episode of Handmaids Tale before I gave up and upgraded
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like their model worked perfectly on you lol
RedeRules770 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only for the month that I watched handmaid's tale. After the season finale I canceled completely instead of staying on to see what else they could offer me so.. they lost more money than they won
jamescfm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Television channels have been showing ads and charging for their service for as long as theyโve existed. I donโt particularly agree with Netflixโs strategy but I find that Reddit is full of people who feel they have a divine right not to see an advertisement.
The Drake-Spotify controversy springs to mind as another example, people were going out of their minds that Drakeโs face was on a handful of curated playlists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is these ads aren't nearly as bad as other popular video services. I constantly see Hulu advertising all their extra packages and shows I can't see unless I pay more money. YouTube and Twitch ads are interrupting just as frequently as cable commercials it seems and are never relevant to me. At least with these Netflix promos it's just for stuff you already pay for unlike everywhere else. I don't like ads and hope to see them at least be optional and easily skippable if they have to exist. Unlike many reddit users I don't use it for watching one singular show over and over again (just buy the series).
[deleted] ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 15:04:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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HerrKrinkle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I live in Switzerland where torrents are legal, as long as you don't upload (I know...). Still, we happily switched to Netflix to avoid the "hassle", despite the dreadful movie selection they have to offer here (We torrent the ones we want to see). If this is coming our way, we're definitely canceling and switching back to the "hassle".
DrShrlmpPuertoRico ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 14:23:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen any ads yet but are they ads for deodorant, toilet paper, and cars or more like how HBO advertises their shows, movies, and specials?
r0ckchalk ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 14:31:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are ads for their own original content and are usually shown in the middle of binge watching something that has nothing to do with what you're binging (so I've heard). I haven't seen any yet but the minute I do I will be having a discussion in the household about canceling.
DrShrlmpPuertoRico ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 14:37:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't sound so bad to be honest. I wouldn't have found out about Barry if HBO didn't advertise its premiere while I was binging The Deuce. There have been lots of Netflix/HBO shows I totally bailed on because I forgot when it was airing. If Netflix wants to promote their content and keep me updated on stuff I am interested in, I don't see the problem.
prodigalkal7 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:45:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even though I'm not disagreeing with you, not in the commercial format that made Netflix different from the rest. One of the main reasons to leave cable or "cut the cord" and go with Netflix is it's ad/commercial free concept. If they go and start advertising their own content, it defeats the purpose. They've had many ways of advertising their content before (like actual trailers, perhaps posters on their UI or a "Discover" page, with content of the shows/movies), but not when someone is streaming a somewhat-totally unrelated show/movie, and gets what is essentially a non-outsourced commercial
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but a system where ads are shown at the end of episodes instead of breaking the pacing in the middle of episodes is still significantly better. I am conflicted on this one really, I want to cancel if I get shown ads however they may not be intrusive enough for me to follow through.
DrShrlmpPuertoRico ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I "cut the cord" from cable for several reasons. I don't watch about 85% of the channels. The sports channels were mostly irrelevant to me except for boxing. The ads were overwhelming and you can feel news, politics, and other important outlets having to edit their content for short buzzy headlines to keep you coming back and not drift off during the commercial break. Its not exactly "fake news" but there is some truth to that phrase. I started to feel like I wasn't getting the whole picture, more of a spectacle.
I'm with you on the amount that Netflix advertises its own content. Depending on your viewing habits that could be problematic. Again, totally up to you.
antantoon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:16:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A skippable ad at the end of an episode doesn't make Netflix like everybody else. God forbid your binge is extended by 3 seconds while you skip the ad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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antantoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm referencing what their proposed changes are. What do you think they intend to happen with regards to commercials?
w1ndwak3r ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:38:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I totally agree. Total sensationalism ITT. They're even skippable.
FuriousTarts ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A skippable ad that shows their own content? WTF Netflix is like Comcast now!!!1!11
workingtrot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:22:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this sounds almost exactly like what HBO does. Not understanding the outrage.
Rinsaikeru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because it's a start to the inevitable slide into increased ads. First it's Netflix only and between episodes. Then perhaps two commercials, one of which isn't netflix. Maybe later they're not skippable etc and so on.
The outrage is because for many netflix subscribers, the reason they got netflix in the first place was because there were zero commercials. You were paying to stream your shows with no interruptions.
The outrage in this case isn't about the specific ads themselves, but about the precedent netflix is aiming to set.
DrShrlmpPuertoRico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's such a crappy headline honestly. A better headline is "Netflix has a ton of shit dawg, you probably missed some of it fam."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if it's just nice, friendly netflix trying to help me out, then allow me to opt out. Not of the trial period, but the actual launched "feature."
vany365 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:08:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to scroll a LONG way down to see this. I completely agree. HBO has introduced me to half the shows I watch on their site by the trailers before GoT.
If I get the same success rate from Netflix introducing me to new shows I would find this as a good thing
AmidoBlack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Easy man, donโt interrupt the circlejerk with a logical opposing viewpoint
DuckSaxaphone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup there's a fundamental difference between "here's an advert for a product or service you might purchase, we're being paid to show you this" and "here's a feature of the service you already pay for that you might enjoy and not know about yet".
If Netflix is just going to tell me about other crap I can watch on Netflix when I'm binging then I don't see it as advertising really.
tdogredman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
guess what? People donโt read articles on this site, and jumped to conclusions on their own.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep and they run around quoting other comments they read from people who also didn't read the article as fact.
ArrrGaming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate your opinion with the fury of a million suns.
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Electric_Ilya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've got something for your emotional flow
Jenwith1N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Usually I'm napping to the office so I don't see it much but when I'm awake it's not that bad. In the wait time between one episode and the next they have a panel that pops up showing a Netflix original show you might be interested in. It's easy to skip by just pressing "watch next episode". If it were unskipable bet I'd unsubscribe too but it just fills the space where the credits used to be. I never watched the credits anyway and I'm too lazy to hit a button more than once every 3 episodes. Lol
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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workingishard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And it's skippable, from what I've seen..
hunterkiller7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are
r0ckchalk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it will be a slippery slope from here. Once they realize they can get away with that then more invasive advertising will be coming and before we know it we will be paying to be advertised to. As everyone mentioned, nipping this in the bud with our wallets is the only good way to show that customers won't tolerate it.
prodigalkal7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most cable TV used to be ad free in the 70's and 80's, or had a commercial free hour or what have you. Nowadays, you'll be hard pressed to even think of cable and ad-free in the same sentence.
DrShrlmpPuertoRico ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know I keep using HBO as an example but its a similar bussiness model. They have never advertised anything but their own content for several decades. Is there an example of a subscription based media product going down this slippery slope?
All this outrage is just blind mob anger. Its up to you but I'm keeping my subscription.
DontTreadOnBigfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cable TV is the prime example.
FuriousTarts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the entire point of Netflix is to watch a streaming service with no commercials so I think people worried about a slippery slope are worried for nothing.
The second you see an Audi commercial on Netflix is the second they die and they know that.
I mean, look at the blowback for optional, skippable, short ads for their own content during credits of an episode. They know they can't have actual commercials.
tellMyBossHesWrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You've made this comment several times. You must work for Netflix marketing.
dafunkmonster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The whole reason I stopped watching broadcast and cable TV is because I was sick of spending 10 minutes out of every 30 minute show watching commercials.
hunterkiller7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you wont. It's a 15-30 second ad, and they don't play after every show.
McGreed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right now, that's the point, this is just the beginning. It's a slippery slope, and we have seen from previous examples, that it will not stop there, despite of people "oh you are just paranoid". It's not paranoia, it's experience with the shittiness of companies.
antantoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How can you prove this one small step that they are using to advertise their own content will turn into full blown ads for other companies.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:36:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Slippery slopes are a fallacy and ultimately a failed argument. It's so reliant on the fallacy I can just flip a few words for a different slippery slope.
Right now, that's the point, this is just the beginning. Its a slippery slope to trust Mexicans, and we have seen from allowing the Blacks in that it will not stop there, despite of people "oh you are just racist". It's not racism, its experiences with the shittiness of coloreds
dafunkmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I want to find new content on their platform, I know where to look.
tonypalmtrees ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah ok shillmeister flixman netboy
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DeezNutterButters ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just not true. The tests they're running are in between shows. They don't stop you mid episode. You've got 15-20 seconds of credits in between shows where a user just sits and waits for the next episode. Why not let the user see what other content is available that night relate to what you like?
IMO this is a solid idea and if it stays as described above I welcome it with open arms.
PhantomFace757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't even ads. They are recommendations for other shows on the platform that is played between some episodes. They stated this is to bring people more options so they don't spend so much time browsing for a show.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could always read the article.
DrShrlmpPuertoRico ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never said I didn't read the article...
I'm aware of what they claim are the advertisements but since "I haven't seen any ads yet..." I wanted to verify with someone who has seen them that they weren't something like product placement during a notification of a premier for a show. It's farfetched, of course, but again "I haven't seen any ads yet...".
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that followed by this:
Either you have seen ads or you haven't.
This is just more of that TRUTH ISN'T TRUTH bullshit.
DrShrlmpPuertoRico ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.....wut?
quikkthrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty clear that it's referencing Netflix ads.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:11:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are these commercials as in the old "throw an ad in front of millions, and hope they buy"?
Or are they targeted ads about Netflix itself "You liked XX show, he's a preview for something similar"?
LeakySkylight ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:31:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better call saul, is the only one I've seen.
I think its like a feature. They are really pushing one or two shows, possibly die to their licensing deal with the producer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently binging TNG and between every episode I've gotten the same ad for a shitty stand-up comedy special - do I like stand-up? Yeah. Does that show on my Netflix account? No.
So, neither really. It's just another way to show you their shitty originals I'd say ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've always done this and no one has cared. Most people didn't mind to see blockbuster branding when at blockbuster, its the addition of the "You can skip this in X seconds" like what happens on youtube that people don't want.
gazeebo88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ads are kind of like the "Because you watched" category.
And they only feature Netflix originals content in the ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought someone said they saw one for Better Call Saul?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something in the middle. Itโs โRegardless of what you like and watch, here is a preview for something we would like you to watch.โ
ThereInSquatsTheToad ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:28:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime runs โcommercialsโ for their shows before episodes. I just fast forward.
FilmMakingShitlord ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:14:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the Netflix ads have a skip button.
ORJUAN_SC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for long, I assure you that
FilmMakingShitlord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Netflix doesn't let you skip intros.
ThereInSquatsTheToad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love how no one thinks for themselves anymore.
Cry, cry, cry my life is horrible! Oh, thereโs a button I can push and I donโt have to watch a commercial. Who knew!!!
rayboy1995 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:54:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about that, it is the principal that we are paying for a service that even tries this in the first place.
Cousin_SadBoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Netflix to have a shit ton of on-demand content. If its premise was "Cable without commercials" I'd understand the outrage, but that's not what it is at all. They still provide an amazing service and are just promoting their own shows in skippable ads so that people find more stuff they like.
FilmMakingShitlord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've enjoyed everyone freaking out personally, it's pretty funny.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bet half of the people freaking out don't even pay for their Netflix subscription anyway.
FilmMakingShitlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I bet that most people saying "I've canceled my subscription because of this" are going to go home and watch Netflix.
random_guy_11235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could not agree more, it is always funny to compare Reddit's level of outrage with the amount of actual inconvenience involved in whatever they are outraged about. "IT'S THE PRINCIPLE!" often makes it funnier.
droans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They even run commercials if you bought the item your watching.
ThereInSquatsTheToad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oy!!!
Prison__Mike_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't you might even find a new show worth watching.
Unpopular opinion I guess
homingmissile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but they are easily skipped and I've found a new show to watch from some of them. I don't have an inherent problem with the existence of advertisement.
Butt_Putnam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See, I don't care about that. I don't like it, but it doesn't ruin the experience, the same way trailers dont ruin the experience of a movie in the theater. I would always pick a streaming service with no ads, but that method isn't a complete deal breaker. On the other hand, interrupting a show I'm watching to try and sell me shit means you're never getting my money again, and I will actively avoid buying any of the products advertised. The interruption is the infuriating part. Amazon suggesting that they have other shows and then moving on to give me uninterrupted content is passable. A service that puts my show on pause right when I'm getting into it to force me to listen to how much better some fucking laundry detergent is? Not gonna fly with me.
ThereInSquatsTheToad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I agree with that.
Colontrooper ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:46:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thisโll get down voted to oblivion but ITT nothing but people who donโt understand/didnโt live through what โreal tv advertisingโ is.
haahaahaa ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 15:40:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I am completely against the idea of commercials between episodes, Netflix does have a unique problem.
Once I completely cut off cable I soon realized something I didn't expect: I have no idea what new shows/movies exist. I'm not someone who seeks out that sort of entertainment, which is why dropping cable made sense. But now I am generally unaware when a new show comes around I might be interested in.
So the position netflix finds themselves in as they're trying to build their portfolio of original shows, without commercials, is they're unable to advertise the shows to their audience. When people consume 95% of their programming through your ad free platform how can you tell them about all the great stuff they're missing out on?
colglover ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:47:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk they do a pretty good job of marketing their stuff on pop culture sites (like AV Club) and on their home page - it's pretty much impossible to log in to Netflix to watch your favorite shows without having their splash ads all in your face, auto playing obnoxiously. Word of mouth referrals are also pretty ubiquitous as everyone generally assumes everyone else has netflix now.
To me this seems like a solution for a different problem - Netflix has spent a ton on its original content without having a plan as to how it will recoup that spending. Saying it's going to do a better job attracting viewership to that content is a patch to investors, while also desensitizing viewers to the concept of some ads between their content. That opens the door for actual ads later on if Netflix feels the need for additional revenue streams
haahaahaa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do do a lot of advertising online. Those ads really hit their core demographic and work well.
I think they're trying to figure out how to get in touch with a more offline crowd. My dad streams stuff a decent amount. Older generations have started to pick up netflix more, but they're still not going to see ads in places like AV Club. He comes home, turns on the tv and starts to watch whever. He's never going to see ad's if he cuts cable completely.
It might be good for Netflix create virtual channels. Something like what you get with pseudo channels on kodi. The older generation might be more inclined to pick up new shows if yougive them a way to "channel surf".
Husky2490 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:43:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good point.
FeedMeACat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They could have a preview 'channel'. Kinda like the guide channel that used to exist before DVRs
wharpudding ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's why I don't mind the Hulu ads that much.
Without ANY ads, you can feel pretty cut-off after a while. But at least they're advertising for things other than the service I'm already paying for.
sandscript ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I despise Hulu ads. It's always the same handful of ads that play over and over and over and over and over every fucking break. I don't watch Hulu by choice and I'd cancel it if my wife didn't care about it so much.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That or they are trying to sell me on shows I would have to buy an additional subscription to see.
koick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they do already have the "New on Netflix" category. But, I've got a revolutionary idea for them to really solve this problem! Bring back the damn stars! But this time do not fucking alter them based on how they guess I'll like a show - nope, just show the raw ratings other viewers have given shows (heck, even take it another step towards imdb type info and show other information and detailed reviews). Then, let me sort by highest rated shows in different categories. It's not rocket science. Netflix quit fucking trying to guess if I'll like a show, give me more options/information for me to find what I want.
Forever_Halloween ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suggested content section. Donโt shove it in my face before I enjoy what I wanted to watch in the first place.
MadManatee619 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
imo, that's what the front page of the website should be for. instead I see the same 20-30 titles in different orders under different categories. it really wouldn't be that hard to have a new/upcoming section that gets updated more than once a month.
f_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe their mistake here is presenting it in commercial form instead of periodically offering a prominent button to click to see their latest trailers. They could lure curious viewers instead of dropping the trailer on their laps.
gazeebo88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I rely almost completely on the "Because you watched" category to find new shows I like on Netflix.
I can see these ads helping me find more content I enjoy, but the problem is always whether or not they will expand to just regular ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I need something new to watch, I actively use all the features they have available for discovery. When I donโt need something new to watch, I donโt care whatโs new on the platform and I donโt want any recommendations. When the time comes Iโll check the โWhatโs Newโ category. I pay for the content not for a butler.
Fuzzclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to scroll to far to find this. Netflix has a very serious discoverability issue. I have always found it hard to know whatโs happening on the platform! They are experimenting with ways to solve this I bet.
qaasq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. I saw one of their "commercials" and was actually surprised I'd never heard of it before because it looked great. I realized I set myself up to not see anything new or have any idea what new shows are coming out
cloudmerchant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing wrong with word of mouth advertising. In fact, people are something like 80% more likely to trust a peer than an ad. So the answer is buzz. News. Word of mouth. There's no need for commercials. Especially forced commercials.
BrowenChillson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
New tab to the left โAds, New Shows, and New Netflix additionsโ.
If Iโm allowed to opt in Iโll care more. Because I chose to watch some clips/ads.
MyLoveHammer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bye Netflix
You don't even have content worth the cost anymore. Now you want to run ads? Lol.
idoubledareya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:14:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They should focus on improving the UI. So many shows go unnoticed because the same shows are in every category!
StorkSlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their UI is fucking terrible.
samfx99 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:20:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only example Iโve seen of this is something that says โyou might like The Ranchโ in between episodes of That โ70s Show during the normal countdown between episodes. Itโs 100% skippable like always. People are blowing this way out of proportion
edit: spelling
Imagettingrim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That isnโt what Iโve been having recently. That was fine, and didnโt actually bother me.
Iโm having loud, full on trailers that last as long or longer than the normal duration of the countdown. Itโs frustrating to me because theyโre so jarring and aggressively louder than the show I was watching when they popped up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Normal countdown begins at the same time as the credits and is 15 seconds. Are you saying these are no longer, they begin as soon as the credits start, and the next episode starts immediately after? That I can handle. But what if I want to watch the credits?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You click the credits and watch them like always. They just put the credits in a mini box since most don't want to watch them
broilerspoiler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A frog in boiling water
shtickyfishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix said there are going to be videos that can't be skipped for a certain amount of time, like youtube ads.
Unashamed_liberal ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:59:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's been commercials after movies/standup shows for the longest time and it's annoying
The fact they're now adding that annoying stuff to other facets of the platform is even worse
Semi-Hemi-Demigod ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:17:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind it after a long movie, or even after finishing a series. But doing it in the middle of a series is extremely frustrating. Their recommendations are shit, and binging Trailer Park Boys and getting ads for My Little Pony in the middle would fucking suck.
Ndtphoto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give them time, Netflix will make Bronies out of all of us.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Rikkaiser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:24 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that running ads on YouTube and Twitch is a good thing though, because the services are free on their own and ads provide incentive for content creators to keep doing what they do. Specifically for free services, ads keep things free and are an unfortunate reality that do hurt the product, but allow the product to exist.
clutchy22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to the glory days of youtube/twitch/etc with no ads, no thanks. Yes profitability is a good thing for a service to grow and improve but advertising ruins the consumer experience.
comounburro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:50:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I canceled my subscription over the weekend. I couldn't remember the last time I actively wanted to watch something on Netflix. The wife agreed. Plus the auto-play and commercials-that-are-not-commercials thing just made it all go poof.
Monctonian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and sounds like a duck...
84-RippleBlanc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck that. A commercial for another Netflix show is still a commercial. If you want to recommend programs to me based on my viewing habits just have a section that says โrecommendationsโ in the list. You know like you do now.
DATATR0N1K_88 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never felt better about torrenting Netflix shows than I do now ๐คฃ๐จ
bourbonparade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even adding a fucking 5 second little advert while watching a show/movie is unnecessary and frankly unwanted.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once I'm done watching Mindhunters, I am planning on canceling Netflix. The forced loud previews while perusing content has really turned me off to them -- it's very obnoxious. They are quite literally cattle prodding their subscribers with loud noise to force them to watch something. The arrogance and level of disrespect to subscribers this sort of behavior belies is astounding. Furthermore, I didn't originally subscribe to Netflix to get access to a lot of original programming -- that's what HBO is. If I wanted HBO, I'd pay for HBO. I just wanted a place to get movies and shows made by other people easy and cheap. While I like some of the original shows they make, sooner or later the cost of all this stuff, most of which is not very good, is going to hit me in the wallet.
Nukenitro ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 14:47:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From someone who has a degree in communications, has worked behind the scene, and has worked for a few free market platforms, I can let you know that by legal definition Netflix is NOT airing commercials. They are promoting their own content on a platform that you are already paying for. A commercial is made to get you to BUY something. You have already paid for Netflix. It is the equivalent of a FREE radio station promoting its own content in between songs. It is in no way a commercial. Trust me on this. None of the free market stations I have worked at could legally be defined as free if promoting your own content was considered a commercial.
Mekisteus ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The reason you have to put "legal" in front of "definition" is because the actual definition of what a commercial is certainly includes people and companies advertising for themselves on their own platforms.
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 14:59:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Tylorw09 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:12:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs really understandable.
But itโs a different argument than โNetflix says itโs not airing ads, while airing adsโ
Goronmon ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:58:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Legal definitions aren't the only definitions that matter. If people see something that looks like an ad, they are going to consider it an ad regardless of whichever nitpicky definition you use to argue otherwise.
dudeAwEsome101 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:02:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it doesn't fit the legal definition of ads, it doesn't mean they are not ads.
twocatszerokarma ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch please
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:53:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You've said this maybe 4 different times in this thread. How much are they paying you?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
13 schmeckles
phoonie98 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:16:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? Talk about first world problems. Give me a fucking break!
runujhkj ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:44:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Complaining about what other people choose to complain about? Talk about first world problems. Give me a fucking break!
rendeld ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you have to click a button between each episode to skip a trailer and thats going to make you cancel?
AmidoBlack ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Talk is cheap. Go do it. We donโt need you to announce it for the upvotes.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So after watching 30-60 minutes of content you're going to throw a fit for a 30 second promo?
Yall entitled as fuck
frozenmelonball ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 15:10:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one cares that it doesn't fit the legal definition. It has the same effect of interrupting your show and cramming content down your throat. Just because they are marketing to existing customers doesn't make it any less of an advertisement.
CatherineAm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They air after the show.
buod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:32 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen the "ads." They're like a recommendation clip based on the things you've watched. If you have autoplay on, then the next episode on the series that you're watching will play instead of the "ad". It doesn't interrupt your show. Good lord, you people just really want a reason to use your dusty pitchforks.
Vagbloodwhitestuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have Netflix but are you able to skip past them?
buod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:58 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you can click skip. They're barely even noticeable. It's just a recommendations box. Good lawd all these people on this thread are so excited to use their pitchforks
ttam281 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It does when you're headline implies they are commercials and Netflix is saying they aren't. It's not interrupting your show. It's a clip from another show that plays after you watch an episode and you can just click play next episode like you do normally.
frozenmelonball ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:13:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point, which is that the Netflix experience is being degraded. People are rightfully upset and complaining about it. Arguing about the legal definition of the specific mechanism that degrades the experience is just being pedantic.
ttam281 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, the headline has muddled the issue. I would disagree about my experience being degraded. I'll just click next episode like I normally would. I doubt I would have even noticed were it not for reddit losing its shit over this.
shtickyfishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There will be ads that you cannot skip until they have played for a while though, similar to youtube ads.
ttam281 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first time I've heard this. Where'd you get this information from?
shtickyfishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I talked to Netflix's customer service. They said that things may change after the testing period and they don't know how exactly, but right now they are saying there will be unskippable ads. I'm unsure if all of them will be though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That top source information. I heard it from someone so trust me because they said I'm right. I don't think that customer service has in depth knowledge and are working from the same statement you are.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs coming at a time when I otherwise would be able to continue watching with no interruption. Netflix destroyed the concept that you stop watching when an episode ends. They cannot go back and try to lean on it now.
I really donโt care if itโs 20 minutes into each episode or in between episodes, itโs a deliberate interruption.
ttam281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hypothetical question. If the preview is the exact same length you would wait before another show started, would it still be an issue? Hypothetical only because this may already be the case, I haven't even run into the post episode clips yet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd be fine with that, as long as they are very careful what they advertise. Iโve never watched an Adam Sandler movie on Netflix, and Iโve gone ahead and thumbed them down anyway just to make sure Netflix understands. If they show me a preview for one of his movies, for any reason, Iโm out.
[Edit: Iโve pretty much accepted that they will run banner ads at the top of the main UI for whatever their newest thing is, regardless of my viewing habits. I donโt mind that at all if itโs just an image. With auto-playing videos, I donโt like it but itโs not a dealbreaker for me because I built a simple extension for my browser that mutes the sound on that page.]
ttam281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to really dislike Adam Sandler. I gotta ask, any particular reason why?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I remember telling potty jokes when I was in 5th grade, and the sex stuff was funny in 8th grade, but by the time he really hit the scene a few years later I was over it. That heโs still doing the same 90s humor 25 years later is just mind-boggling to me. I donโt judge what other people like, and I didnโt mean to be overly specific. I just used it as an example of something Netflix should definitely know about me.
However, my wife has reminded me that he is in the movie โMixed Nuts,โ which I love.
ttam281 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. Just making sure I didn't miss some scandal he was wrapped up in.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People use Netflix to binge. That is a huge interruption to go from start to credits -> Ad -> Next show. If it interrupts my viewing of a particular program to show me something else, it's a fucking commercial. I don't care who or what it's showing.
ttam281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just click on start next episode, like you would anyways.
FuriousTarts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or get off the fucking couch for a 3 seconds. Jesus it's amazing how long people are laying there. Do y'all ever pee?
Agnimukha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't click that I chose Netflix because it auto goes to the next episode and I'm doing other things (cooking, wood working ext) that keep my hands busy or moving around.
testiclekid ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's right. If those ads only promote other series in Netflix itself, then they're no different than video suggestion on YouTube homepage.
frozenmelonball ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:29:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. It would be more like an autoplay video showing a short preview of suggested content that occurred between two songs from the same album that you were trying to listen to without interruption. Or the same interruption for a multivideo instructional series. If we're going to be pedantic then let's get it right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are going to get pedantic then it's just a promo for there service. HBO another subscription that has no commercials does the same thing. It can't be a commercial since you already own the product and no commercial gain would be had for anyone viewing it. So it's not a commercial or an advertisement because you already own it and have full access to it.
Not like it matters you've probably spent more time here arguing useless bullshit than you would have spent with years of the proposed promo time anyway.
frozenmelonball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is a commercial because the goal is to make you want to keep using your existing service which is a monthly subscription. When you hop on an airline, they tell in their little promo movies (which incidentally are commercials) about all of their free services and amenities after you've already bought the airfare. Is that to get you to buy the same flight? No, it's to reaffirm your decision to fly with them and hope you choose them again for the next flight.
not_ratty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which also suck. Also YouTube is free. Netflix is not.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, thatโs why I donโt pay for YouTube.
LeakySkylight ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:39:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know you can turn them off right?
See the comment by /u/My_reddit_strawman
They're cramming nothing...
mmmgluten ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:35:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the legal definition. If they're showing me ads, they're showing me ads. They will lose my business right away.
Cylon_Skinjob ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:51:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From someone that doesn't care what the legal definition of a commercial is, these are commercials and I'll cancel my subscription if I start seeing them.
Golf327 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no you won't
Bfranx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:03:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For now, but what do you think will happen once they've established this process and get people to go along with it? Continue to promote only their own content, or make even more money by putting commercials in their place?
If we're looking at the short term it's not that bad, but Netflix has long term goals with this idea of theirs, so we should look at the long term as well.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dr_dazzle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:17:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't sound correct at all. How does Hulu get away with showing commercials on their paid streaming service?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dr_dazzle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:23:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu has two paid tiers and both have commercials. The lowest tier has several per show and the premium tier has far fewer ads but still shows commercials before certain titles.
EDIT: Here's Hulu's resource for brands who want to advertise on their platform.
EDIT 2: Here's another resource where they explicitly describe their advertisements as commercials.
play_some_words_bro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If a title is recommended to a consumer because the company paid Netflix to have it promoted, then it's still technically paid promotion/ad. If Netflix is recommending titles without being paid, then they should make it an opt-out.
buffalo-repat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't someone argue that the airing of previews for their own content would amount to persuading you to continue using the service, aka continue making the purchase of $10.99/mo or whatever it is, and therefore qualify as an advertisement?
PFunk224 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix defending themselves with semantics is a good way to ensure I never use their service again. "See, I'm not choking you, I'm strangling you."
It's garbage no matter how you frame it. When I select a video, I want to watch that video, and exclusively that video, not "We will return you to your video after this 30 second promotional video".
radicldreamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From someone who has a degree in hating fucking ads no matter how you try to spin it, itโs the reason I dropped (uh, I mean took a permanent break from) satellite radio, they are playing with fire.
They start that shit Iโm gone, and not just saying it, but doing it when/if I see them. Iโm already fed up with the auto preview and the DONG! At startup that nobody wanted.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Electric_Ilya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I do. Sure it's bad for the platform but at least I have immediate access to anything shown with no additional cost. Advertisements to buy things would be much more problematic for me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Electric_Ilya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:38 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that model appeals to some. Personally I mind less the advertisement of their content than its often poor quality
shiverweasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is some heinously dumb definitional dodging: if I already own a Samsung S9, and I see a commercial for one, is it not a commercial for me?
Commercials exist to expose you to a product regardless of your ownership status. These are, in fact, Netflix commercials. I don't care that I don't need to pay to 'use them', I care about the fact that they are interrupting the product I paid for to tell me about products they think I 'need to know'. If you really want to be pedantic about it (obviously you do), then they are implicitly selling me additional months of Netflix service to consume the media that's getting advertised to me.
Imagine playing a video game that interrupts you every 30 minutes to tell you about a companion app. It's free on itunes, so it's not a commercial right? How long do you think that flimsy argument will hold up?
DosMangos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue this makes things worse. If youโre already using the service you donโt want to be told what to use the service for.
Itโs like going through drive-thru with a meal in mind and right off the bat you get asked, โWould you like to try our new <insert promotion>?โ
So freakinโ annoying...
Vagbloodwhitestuff ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! I seriously can't believe people are throwing such a fit.
Bronco4bay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:49:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People are too stupid to understand this, so oh well. More reddit karma whoring posts to post.
derf82 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:04:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Enough is enough. I canceled netflix. Prime has so much more TV these days.
POFF_Casablanca ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:36:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have fun with that interface.
I have prime and use it sometimes when Netflix doesn't have something I wanna see and their player is just unabashed dogshit. It genuinely makes me reconsider if I wanna bother with it unless I'm really intent on watching something specific.
Tylorw09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like my experiences with Hulu.
I just want to watch the last season of New Girls but itโs unbelievable how shitty the Hulu UI is.
dudeAwEsome101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu takes the King of Shitty UI trophy.
derf82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least it doesn't autoplay when you linger on a choice for 2 seconds.
Tylorw09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why wonโt Netflix just let you highlight the video and press a button to watch the video? Or mute it by default? So frustrating.
derf82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it, either. I just get tired of the netflix worship. Every platform has its issues.
Dr_Andracca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon Prime has a shit ton of fucking shit that makes it worth your while besides movies/shows. Hell, they gave away Battle Chef Brigade and Tyranny along with an asston of other games last month to "Twitch Prime" subscribers(aka Amazon Prime subscribers... you just link your account). This month is a free month of Runescape membership along with some indie games including Steam World Dig.
Wursticles ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 14:28:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime has adverts on tablet.
Dont_PM_PLZ ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 14:41:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, opening the app on my phone the first thing I see is a full screen ad!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch on my xbone and I get zero ads, not even ads for paid movies/TV shows. I think it's some agreement that they have with MS.
Vsx ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:07:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime hits me with a prerun commercial for another show like 80% of the time at least. HBO does the same thing. It's very annoying especially on HBO because they spoil their own shows that I'm planning to watch in prerun ads on other shows.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can fast forward through those at least. Not as good as if they didn't show them at all but you can avoid the show specific ones.
If I remember the generic "You're watching HBO" ad can't be skipped but it's a hodgepodge of stuff. I honestly don't understand though why HBO is advertising to me why I should watch HBO when I'm watching HBO. Like I'm already in buddy, when I'm trying to use the service is the worst time to stop me and sell me on it.
Vsx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're just trying to avoid the type of person who says "there's nothing on Netflix" and cancels when they've watched .1% of the whole library. To some extent it is smart to make people aware of your new content coming out. They just need to figure out how to do it in a more tactful way that doesn't give away plot points and doesn't intrude on the viewing experience by breaking up a binge of another show.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that but I feel like something like the watch list and "continue watching" NEED to be in the same location every time. Like when I say "I'm going to watch that new season of Voltron" but I can't find the list and after scrolling down trying to find it. I could go back up to search and slowly type Voltron with my tv remote but 9 times out of 10 I say fuck it and go check my subscriptions on youtube.
I'm a rare person though, usually I don't open things unless I already know what I'm going to watch. I purposefully will go down into Netflix and look for new stuff add it to my list then go back and watch what I opened it to watch. I just don't see the benefit to hiding a self curated list made by the user from the user.
I would also argue to them that "New to Netflix" needs pinned right under the watch list and needs to be smarter. Seeing the new season of a show that I've already watched and came out 9 months ago mixed in there is confusing and makes it seem like it's just promoted content.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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artishee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm usually the last guy to say it but this thread sounds so fucking r/LateStageCapitalism, half the comments are โfuck this limited test Netflix is doing that I can opt out of, I cancelled and subscribed to <service that already shows ads>โ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs the point. If both companies have adverts, may as well go for the one with more content. Netflix is eliminating the only thing represents an advantage for them.
derf82 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen an ad during programming. They want to show me a banner ad while I find what I'm watching, I don't care.
Eurell ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:16:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But Netflix isn't doing it During programming either, right? Its at the end of the episode, and also skippable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs during time that they expect you meant to sit and continue watching. Iโd say thatโs โDuring programmingโ
derf82 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a video ad, though.
Eurell ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:27:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that changes anything I said
derf82 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads with sound suck more than ads without sound. I would rather a silent ad before than a noisy ad after.
But, whatever, to each their own.
Eurell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I definitely don't agree with that. Ads before interrupt what I want, skippable stuff after, doesn't interrupt anything, and noise doesn't matter to me since I'm watching tv anyway, the show I was watching a second ago was also noisy.
But you're right, to each their own.
dudeAwEsome101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people are repeating what Netflix is saying that it is not an ad, since it is a trailer for other Netflix shows, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an ad.
mikepictor ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:00:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix "ads" come AFTER the show. Prime ads come before the show. If ads are your problem, Prime is worse.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on your platform, but you do have a point. I watch on my xbone and there are zero ads so I didn't even know Prime had them on other platforms. I think I mentally give prime a pass because "I don't pay for it" as it's included in my prime subscription that I'd have one way or another, so to me it feels like a free product.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Iโm watching multiple episodes, there is no difference between the end of one and the beginning of another.
mikepictor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except for how easy it is to click next episode and skip the rest of this episode, ad included.
derf82 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:26:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What prime ads? I have never seen a video ad on prime. Banner ads, sure, but they don't bother me.
FlowSoSlow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:00:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get a pre show ad almost every time
mikepictor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pre show trailer for other shows. Get them all the time.
Magnious ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:47:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Enough is enough...I am cancelling Netflix and going to Prime...where they have more commercials than Netflix....
lol
derf82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen a video ad on prime. I don't know what you all are talking about.
But, this is just a final straw. I have watched next to nothing on Netflix the last 2 months. Their programming is what chased me away.
Magnious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen them promote "The Grand Tour" and "The Tick".
I actually don't watch much on Prime because their selection is horrible. I have it for the free 2 day shipping, and free twitch subs.
But honestly, Netflix promoting their own content is not horrible...how else are you supposed to know what new shows they are releasing? It used to be easy when they only had 3 shows..but now they have many to sift through.
comicsansisunderused ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:25:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime is good, but imo Netflix has better content. Each their own tho
derf82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Content is subjective. I hate every Netflix Orginal except Travelers and Stranger Things, personally.
USMCpresfoco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could use Fmovies or Gomovies
scienceofviolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you can find those online easily.
stuntobor ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:15:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha oh that's adorable. All I can find on Prime are home-made craptaculars and crappy sequels. I was about to cancel it.
workingishard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:50:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better cancel Prime, too, because it shows ads before your show, every single time, unless you're using an adblocker.
derf82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use a Roku. I have never seen a video ad.
workingishard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try it out on any other device. It'll be coming to Roku soon enough, or Amazon will pull Prime Video from it.
Vagbloodwhitestuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And let's not forget they have been adding some really good movies lately.
frickin_darn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like prime but the user interface is roughhhh
TedTheGreek_Atheos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime has been advertising its original programming before the shows starts for years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime also has (skippable) ads for its content before shows. I've seen that Sneaky Pete ad like 500 times
Ramenorwhateverlol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My 5 y/o doesnโt know any better so he calls them loading screen lol.
Delica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They broke the network model, but then they started focusing on their own exclusive shows...and now theyโre adding commercials. That sounds just like CBS. How do you revolutionize, then devolve?!
PMach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've partially stopped using Netflix because their glut of original content is overwhelming. I was fine with their first few shows because they were...well, good. And I could name them all. Now I'll only check them out if my friends insist on it (like GLOW), otherwise I don't bother, as a rule. I don't have the time, patience, or desire to check any of them out at this point.
"But that's why we're doing this!" - Netflix
No, Netflix. You need to stop green lighting every bullshit premise that crosses your desk. Consumers are very good at finding and watching things they like.
Edit: spelling
Iored94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least they didnt take the Spike TV route and only show 4 commercials a day often repeating one or two commercials per break
Ken_Piffy_Jr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been on Netflix this past weekend and didnโt come across any commercials
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are the "commercials" people are referring to the trailers for shows displaying at the top op the home page? Where if i scroll down It stops playing? or is there something else that i am forced to watch?
Biggie39 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:22:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know Iโm in the minority here but Iโm not sure this is a terrible thing. Netflix already plays a trailer for one of their โNetflix Originalsโ after you watch a movie and while the credits are playing. Also my biggest problem with Netflix is the content overload, there is simply so much content that I donโt even know where to start looking and typically have no idea what their new stuff is about. They make so much new content and if they donโt advertise it, it wonโt get watched.
For example if Iโm bingeing โStranger Thingsโ and then after three episodes they run a โBlack Mirrorโ spot, Iโm not going to be to mad.
Aelpa ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:28:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The BBC is 'ad free' and regularly runs 3 mins of unskippable advertising for their own content in between programs.
It's still better than the competition really.
antantoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like to know what else is on the BBC schedule as well, plus the 2-3 minutes between shows is a nice opportunity to get a drink or go to the toilet.
dfassna1 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People are seriously overreacting to this. It's like when people complained about paying for Hulu but having ads. People are out here paying $100+ dollars a month for cable and watching ads, but paying $8 and having fewer ads is unacceptable. I don't like ads either, but they're inevitable and at least Netflix is just advertising their own content. They're not taking money from outside companies to shove Esurance down your throat.
RanaI_Ape ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The people complaining about these ads are the least likely to have cable. I cancelled cable TV like 5 years ago and will never go back. Seeing commercials these days is very jarring and irritating after you've gone for years without having to see them. If I'm at my parent's house I always get slightly confused for a sec when a commercial starts playing and then I'm like ohhh yea, that's why I don't have this garbage anymore. The fact is, Netflix became what it is because it's on demand and there are no ads. If that changes then they will lose customers without a doubt.
I predict that they'll end up like Hulu where there's a cheaper tier with ads or you can pay extra to get rid of them. They're already letting the genie out of the bottle, I don't see them completely forgetting about ads, it will only got worse. The first time I'm interrupted by an ad that I can't skip, I cancel my subscription on the spot.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah commercials are a foreign and strange experience when you may experience them only 3-4 times in a year. I have ad free everything, even youtube and have most things I listen to/watch downloaded. So I can legit go months without seeing/hearing one. So like when I'm at my grandmas it feels so chaotic. Like I'm watching clips of a show at a time.
I cannot stand the radio now lol. Like after three ads I'm just tempted to turn it off.
dfassna1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that Netflix kind of proves that a service without ads or without higher prices is unsustainable. They are losing billions of dollars every year and taking on more and more debt despite having over 100 million subscribers. They are investing in enough new content to make their service necessary for anyone without cable and when that happens their prices will go up and they very possibly will have real ads one day. People talk about how they'll start pirating and they can do that if they want, but that only works because most people won't do it. It will take a lot more than these advertisements for their own shows for me to start pirating again because I love the convenience of being able to stop the show on my TV then continue on my phone or computer or tablet from anywhere, stream to my Chromecast or Roku without having to go through Plex or something, watch the shows without having to have a VPN and find a good torrent.
At the end of the day, though, Netflix will probably be like $30/month maybe with ads and they'll be an improvement over cable in pretty much every way (availability to watch on any device, anywhere; price; quality of content; possibly without outside ads) and people will still feel they're owed more. I'm not one to sympathize with major corporations generally, but people are punishing one of the only companies out there doing things the right way because they're trying to get you more engaged by advertising their other shows.
janglestheclown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is turning a profit now. They had ~559,000,000 net income for 2017.
dfassna1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's net income but they have a negative cash flow. I'm not an expert so anyone who has studied this type of thing feel free to correct me, but net income statements don't look at the debts that the company has taken on, only the payments they've made towards old debts. So even though their net income was $559 million, their free cash flow was -$2 billion for 2017. Netflix isn't spending to increase their profits right now, they're spending to increase their market share so that eventually they can raise prices and maybe introduce ads and they're counting on the idea that they will have made themselves indispensable so they won't lose a bunch of customers by doing so.
janglestheclown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're mostly right about that, but it's also because of how much they've paid to acquire new streaming assets, which get amortized (ie more cash is paid out than what is expensed on the income statement). Taking on debt actually increases their current cash flow.
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But in favor of what? Having nothing?
The grand majority of the shit I watch on netflix I'd have never have torrented or whatever because I'd have never known about it. Neat little one-off series, Hong-Kong action flicks, Australian crime dramas...
People are complaining about Netflix right now today specifically and only because it doesn't fit the perfect dream mold of what they want with TV. Are people seriously and truly going to take a stand based on a TV show that finished it's run years ago? Netflix got it's economic pop from Futurama, and then let it go.
And then, and here's my point, they spent that money acquiring content that retains viewers. Futurama grabs, 50 new shows and movies per week, that you will enjoy but never have otherwise heard of, will retain.
And no other service is even close to doing that.
RanaI_Ape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself. Outside of a few specific series, there's nothing on Netflix that "retains" me personally. I can live without those because they make up a fraction of my viewing time.
In favor of what? Well Prime for one. I'm going to pay for Prime regardless, so the streaming part of it is essentially free to me. For that I might forgive an ad here or there.
Netflix gained dominance by not having commercials ever, it's a huge selling point. If that changes then I might as well just use Hulu. All the shows I got Netflix for have moved there anyway. Seriously, Netflix's original content, while enormous in quantity, is very very spotty in quality imo, and it's not going to keep me subscribing if I have to also watch ads.
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can live without it, then cancel your service, torrent those few series and forget the whole thing.
Prime is the worst of the bunch. Pay a monthly subscription, then pay again a Blockbuster/Redbox rate to "rent" something. So called "Buy it" is nothing more than further renting as they can strip your "ownership" at anytime. Netflix is trouncing the shit out of Amazon and Hulu without charging premiums like Amazon or showing actual REAL advertising for fucking Progressive and fucking Walmart.
2ndly . . . HBO/Cinemax have been showing unskippable internal ads for 40 years. They've not had "sponsorships" or anything else. Netflix has taken the cue from them, and it's skippable, and it's limited in scope, and people are losing their minds because
People like their mint ice cream at exactly 34 degrees with 7 chocolate flecks no bigger than 8mm square per spoonful. And if it's not exactly and specifically the way they like it, here comes tantrum time.
Blocked.
degenererad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, ads are not inevitable. There is just fuckers out there that "needs" the latest model of private jets. These fucking movies and tv-series are making BILLIONS and every goddamned actor in the biggest series are making a lifetime of regular joe money per episode. these ads are whats making that possible. They dont "scrape by". they dont live on the street if one movie isnt good enough. They fucking cry because it made less than the last one. People have been able to steal shit on the internet for 25 years now. You see the industry falling apart? Its just fucking greed
dfassna1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the market. Netflix doesn't make enough money from subscribers to create the amount of content they make right now. They're losing billions every year. The reason they're able to make quality content is because they're willing to pay for it. If they didn't pay good money to creators/writers/actors to do shows for them then the shows would end up on AMC or TBS or some other cable network and you'd have no reason to watch Netflix and they wouldn't have revolutionized entertainment the way they have. Eventually Netflix will cost a lot more and they're spending the money to make sure that's the case, but they can't start paying actors and writers $60k a year because that's not how the industry works. If they don't shell out that money, a company that provides a worse experience will.
suitology ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because the only reason I'm not just watching it illegally is convenience and no ads. I see an ad ill just go back to plugging in my laptop.
pbjames23 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:53:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I use my parents HBO GO subscription, and HBO already does the same thing. As long as it isn't too invasive, I don't really care. Also, there is a huge difference between marketing your own shows and selling advertising time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Biggie39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you want me to go to a YouTube channel to watch trailers for Netflix shows?
hunterkiller7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:28:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I dont get why so many people are mad. Just use that time to get a drink or go the the bathroom.
Emochind ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because you are paying to not see ads?
Biggie39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you propose that Netflix informs you that they just made a cool new show? Without advertising their own content it will get buried very quickly.
autumn_sun ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because eventually you'll be able to use that time to take a huge dump, run a few errands, and get wildly drunk before the commercials stop. "It's not that big a deal" is a short road to them testing your limits on what is a big deal.
chaRxoxo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they do this, i'm immediatly unsubbing. The streaming landscape has become fragmented anyhow with everyone creating their own service.
It's typical to see how a good concept slowly turns to shit. Piracy is a service problem and nowadays i find myself downloading so much again, whereas i completely stopped in the past.
Nobody is gonna watch commercials on a paid stream and npbody is going to subscribe to 5 different streaming services.
Whammy-p ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else think it's funny that a media organization hamstrung by streaming services is attempting to stoke hate and discontent with streaming services? This is like your radio station telling you why CD's and podcasts are bad.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:47:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Muscles_McGeee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost every single service you pay for has ads in it. Netflix is actually one of the very few outliers that doesn't have third-party ads. You even have ads on X-Box Live.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and it shouldn't be that way. That's why I refuse to pay for those services
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to Hulu or better yet some of the people in this thread leaving Netflix for Hulu.
moose_cahoots ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:13:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Netflix shows ads I will immediately cancel. The only reason I use them instead of others is because they are ad free.
Netflix, if you are listening, don't get greedy. Your brand is built on the promise of no ads. If you violate that, we will make sure to leave you with nothing to punish you for the betrayal.
NewYorkJewbag ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre previews for other shows, not actual โadsโ. Press is blowing this out of proportion with clickbait and misleading titles.
mmmgluten ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same shit, different pile.
NewYorkJewbag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I respectfully disagree. I think people enjoy getting all riled up to prove how anti-corporate they are. Personally, thereโs so much to choose from on Netflix, have recommendations seems good to me. Full disclosure, I own Netflix stock so I feel a little defensive of the company, but theyโve always seemed to focus on the best customer experience.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
NewYorkJewbag ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol.
moose_cahoots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it is playing something that is not the show I played, it is an ad.
ReptarKanklejew ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:58:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The second I see a commercial on Netflix I'm giving it the ax.
BaldyMcBadAss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Axe Body Spray, brought to you by Netflix?
LeakySkylight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know you can turn them off right?
See the comment by /u/My_reddit_strawman
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Autarch_Kade ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:05:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every show you hover over already automatically plays an advertisement for itself. Do we really need even more when we've already chosen to watch a show?
notanalternateaccoun ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:30:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not bad though. A preview of the show is nice
finnknit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:44:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A preview of the show is nice when you're browsing for something to watch. A preview of a different show is annoying when you're already watching something.
dafunkmonster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want a separate button to initiate a preview.
I don't want to be bombarded with trailers any time I stop browsing for a half-second.
radicldreamer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It should be an option, I personally dislike it. Let me turn it off if I want.
dalr3th1n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:23:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. Netflix's auto-preview essentially makes it impossible for me to browse for content. I don't want a video to start blaring every time I stop for a tenth of a second to read a show description. So I just move along quickly and don't watch any shows I'm not already familiar with. If I want a new show, I do research outside of Netflix.
I have an outdated Netflix app on an old device I use occasionally, and it's so much easier to use.
marioman63 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my netflix must be broken then, because they play silent clips while i read the description
dalr3th1n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky you!
cloudmerchant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A service I pay for hijacking my data to shove their media down my throat is not nice.
dudeAwEsome101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate how much autoplaying trailers slow down scrolling through the interface.
thewhat23 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:07:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are dramatic lol
MercenaryCow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
About what? That's the only reason I use Netflix, to escape commercials. Back to pirating for me
Muscles_McGeee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you just pirate now and save the $12/month?
thewhat23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I better not see one commercial or I'm cancelling" Sounds very "Let me speak to your manager" lol
Iswitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you paid for the service specifically to avoid ads, and they start showing ads, it seems pretty reasonable to be a bit upset.
thewhat23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for the content and the cheap price. But to each his own
patrickthewhite1 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:23:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to break with the hivemind, but I don't mind the ads on netflix. They only show other tv shows and movies, and sometimes I click on them and check them out.
The real annoying ads are like youtube or hulu, where they show some drug, car, insurance, or other bullshit I have 0 interest in.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:55:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you here. They're honestly not a big deal. Instead of having a little box showing a suggested show/movie in between episodes, it's now just 3/4 of the screen showing a suggestion, giving you the option to watch the trailer if you want. Or you can skip it altogether, just like it was before. And from what I've seen so far they don't do it between episodes of Netflix originals, which still have the quick 5 second transitions.
Lopsided123 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:10:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for ruining it for everyone else.
SmileyNimbus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:03:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, and iirc they are skippable.
dafunkmonster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, great, so now I have to press a button to continue watching the thing I already indicated that I wanted to watch.
drift_summary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pressing A now, sir
SmileyNimbus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not skip the intro? If you do its just hitting the button again.
Edit: nvm, lost track of what this was talking about. The interruption is definitely annoying.
LeakySkylight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:41:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And opt-outable.
MangekyoSharingan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can only do that until the feature is rolled out for everyone, the only thing you're opting out of is their testing phase which you might not even be part of. It even says "test participation" when you go to opt out
FuzzyYogurtcloset ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For now...
LeakySkylight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's up to all of us to let Netflix know exactly how we feel through their feedback system.
HeyLookItsAThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can't opt out of the ads. You can opt out of all testing which happens to include ads at the moment, but once they roll it out for real there's nothing to indicate that you'll be able to opt out.
Saying you can opt out as a positive side of the issue implies there will be some permanent way to opt out of ads, not a very temporary unrelated workaround that will stop working the moment they move the program from testing.
LeakySkylight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, well that's no good at all.
So that setting that ops out of advertising and notifications is for email only.
Well, we are relegated to let netflix know how we feel through their feedback system then.
radicldreamer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then give me the option to turn it off, win win
dafunkmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But we're not talking about the show promotion that Netflix is currently doing.
We're talking about Netflix interrupting the show you're currently watching to promote a different show.
TedTheGreek_Atheos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't interrupt a show mid episode. They play a 10 second ad after it ends.
mowelset ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:25:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
canceled my netflix last week. perfect timing
TrendyOstrich ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what are you using instead?
MrPsychoanalyst ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:17:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His gf account
mowelset ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cancelled in an effort to not waste as much time watching TV. I recently moved to a place that can't get wifi or anything other than basic cable, so that helps. I do have unlimited data but binge watching shows on a phone isn't as pleasing as watching on a TV. When I get the itch to watch something, I throw on youtube for a little while or listen to podcasts.
I dated a girl that had Hulu and I thought it was much better than Netflix, but only if you're willing to pay the extra few dollars for no commercials which I think is around $12/month.
LeakySkylight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:41:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can turn them off in settings lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cancelled.
Itz_Leviosaaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for the Hulu subscription that has no ads and I haven't used Netflix in years
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Sarah Huckabee works for Netflix
Jeromestad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix has become crap.
Their own shows are of increasingly poor quality.
NintendoIsMyGod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix sucks now.
klezart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I already cancelled my subscription. I don't get much value out of it any more anyway, and if they're going to start creeping in ads I'm done.
Muscles_McGeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you're already done...
klezart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm done because they're starting to creep in ads.
Torque-A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you get for assuming a company cares more about you than their profits.
Clavo_PR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I already cancelled my subscription. I'll come back when and if this goes away.
iggynodiggy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the next golden age of piracy coming on what with all these companies making it more and more inconvenient to watch what you want, when you want, how you want it.
Chrisixx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, didn't know Rudy Giuliani also works for Netflix.
TimeLord-007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How about giving a monthly discount if you watch ads? Seems like a legit plan.
StorkSlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So they'll raise the price and discount you back to the current price for ads? No thanks.
Hallucion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads for your other shows, in the middle of a show that's playing.. is still an ad.
Glad I got rid of netflix now.
chevymonza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, well "the truth is not the truth" so there you go. It's official.
DoctorNoonienSoong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To any Netflix rep reading this: fuck off with your attempted redefinitions. And fuck off with ads. If this ever applies to my account I'll unsubscribe and can guarantee at least 4 friends of mine will as well.
Sinsid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they are truly commercials Netflix will have to share viewership information. Which up until now has been their version of the nuclear launch codes.
GrandKaiser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wont disable tests. The absolute moment I see an ad, I am going to cancel my Netflix subscription. I have been on the fence for a while and this is the straw I've been waiting for.
archiewaldron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercials aren't commercials
elizacandle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously I called in to complain, and they freaking told me to my face they weren't then they tried to tell me my computer and TV??? HAD gotten infiltrated by pop up ad-Ware and or viruses.... Because them playing from the Netflix player means nothing??!
198587 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate these fucking 'commercials.' They make binge watching a show awful.
dljens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this and said to my wife "I don't appreciate Netflix showing ads between episodes now..."
Strangely, though, I did not think of it as a commercial. Perhaps because it is 100% skippable (for me at least) with a single button click.
If it's true that some people were unable to skip them though, that's fucky.
ZaximusRex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To late Netflix, I already canceled.
Partnerships with xfinity/comcast should have been a big fuckin red flag for people already.
usmanimuhammad8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Speech 100
ISaidThatOnPurpose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, i'll watch commercials if they don't want me to pay the monthly subscription. it's a valid way of doing this..
rdf- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So this is why the CEO stepped down.
Jaeker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How long before the media starts calling consumers "entitled" for complaining.
Camel_Holocaust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And ironically I had to slog through three pop ups and multiple in article ads just to read that piece.
molotovzav ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Showing ads for shows that are on netflix doesn't bother me. That's why I don't mind Syfy ads and certain stations "apps" ads, they are typically just ads for shows already on the station/app.
For me what I hate is the 5 repeating ads, all with some mixed raced lady or stay at home dad, all about diapers or washing clothes, cause clearly the only people who watch tv are losers who are at home with no job >.> I actually hate commercials for products, not tv shows. You guys are just picky. If you don't advertise a show, people don't watch it, straight up. Some of us will, but we'll wonder why no one else did, and it got cancelled, the reason would be lack of advertisement.
Advertisement can be a trailer, a 30s spot on something else, or just word of mouth. But if a show doesn't get any of these, its dead in the water. This is why cool shows get cancelled all the time, and we're still on like the 7th season of shit shows.
Danjcb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix beat piracy because they made it easier and more pleasant to watch TV shows.
If they go down this road, people will just switch to ad-free torrenting again...
Not a good idea...
Takeabyte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, itโs a fine line between a recommendation and an advertisement. I cannot think of a single paid service where they donโt recommend other products. Itโs not like Netflix was showing us ads for mesothelioma lawyers or something.
mperez4855 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Time to bust out the old eye patch and pirate leg.
SouthPoll69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truth isnโt truth
PM_me_UR_duckfacepix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same old, same old. Once they have the market share, they start abusing their position.
Save for massive consumer boycotts (which become harder and less likely the closer the company gets to a monopoly), this can only be prevented by antitrust law with teeth, and by strong regulators willing to ruffle feathers and harshly penalise or break up corporations who are abusing their position.
Pepperoni_Dogfart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It happened with cable, it happened with satellite radio, it'll happen with streaming, it'll happen with hologoggles, it'll happen with nueral implants, it'll happen when your consciousness becomes part of a three-dimensional quantum matrix.
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Prophecy has been spoken.
Mikey10158 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get the to bring back Kinect support while weโre at it? The original Netflix app on Xbox One was beautiful. Hand motions and voice controls were great. But I guess Netflix doesnโt care what we say.
IT-Quest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Obama.
Mathieulombardi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lived long enough to become the villain.
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dunn dunnn dunnnnnnn.
SageVG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending this, just curious as to why people aren't freaking out over HBO? I have HBO Now and it always plays ads for HBO content before the show starts.
Vurondotron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because no one gives a flying fuck about HBO, look at the data of how many subscribers Netflix has compared to HBO. Then you'll see why people are angry and for good reason.
SageVG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HBO has more subscribers globally?
Source
I think it probably has to do with HBO was on TV first and people are use to how they do things. They went into Netflix with a different idea. But saying no one cares about HBO is wrong.
Nelsaroni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their stupid plan is gonna fail, so what they will do is have a plan where you pay more to avoid commercials. This is probably by design to see how we react and they know we may be willing to pay more. Do the collective a favor, if they implement, then we unsubscribe.
Meocross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DING DING DING DING DING!
They did this same shit with gaming consoles, if they want to spread this sickening practice here then we unsubscribe.
SovereignDS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Back to the old model: Pay for cable to watch commercials and none of the movies you actually want to see.
Vurondotron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it, I thought Netflix said they were not going to add commercials to their platform. Totally confused.
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They got greedy after killing the torrent platforms, watch Netflix become a wasteland after this.
If you promise no ads you do not introduce them, period.
Only a matter of time before 1 episode is filled to the brim with 5 fucking ads.
FuzzyYogurtcloset ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want pirates? Because this is how you get pirates.
ihassledthehoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well geuss ill just stop watching tv altogether now
benjohn87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope my ex gf's best friend doesn't cancel because of the ads. I really wanna keep watching.
Vurondotron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay for your own services you cheap bastard.
wasabi1787 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably an unpopular opinion, but....
As long as they limit the volume of the ads and limit them to shows that were filmed with the intent of having ads, I'm okay with it as long as that additional revenue is used to increase the quantity/quality of their content. Ie additional Disney/Pixar/Marvel stuff.
Unikatze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agree
AskMeAbout_Sharks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This has been going on for more than just the weekend. Probably for a month now, when i open the netflix app on my tv, it forces me to watch a trailer for crappy shows before it will let me do anything.
mcstafford ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Radio stations have pulled the same BS for years. Calling their broadcast commercial-free when it doesn't include commercials for external clients.
DMVBornDMVRaised ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh...my...God. I always say nothing fucks up a vibe/moment faster than a YouTube ad...
"Omg, omg, I know you're super busy but you have to check out this video!!! It's amazing!!!"
I'm Jimmy Dean. You need something warm to get you going in the morning. Nothing does that better than Jimmy Dean sausage.
Motherfucker....
But yeah, Netflix commercials might not be that drastic but they have a chance of being much more devastating. You watch Netflix to zone out and take yourself out of the world. Commercials fuck up the whole mission.
reclusivedude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish there was a service that was like $30/month but had EVERYTHING. Instead they are all making their own crappy streaming service for a tiny ass collection of tv shows/movies and are starting to show commercials. It's like the content creators are the new cable TV providers and doing the same shitty practices. Going to pirate until a provider has 90% of the content available.
RedisDead69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt tread on my binge watching!
jpdoctor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who was around when cable TV first arrived and was commercial free knows the end of the "commercial free" story.
That extra revenue dwarfs the subscription fees, so you'll lose a few butt-hurt subscribers and then make huge money from the ads.
NewYorkJewbag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are showing previews for their own shows. To call these โadsโ is misleading. Theyโre not making any money off them so thatโs not a motivation (yet).
RiesenNoob24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta admit: I love the content on Netflix. But if they start with this commercial shit I'll fucking unsubscribe from this service. I'm not paying 15 bucks a month for fucking commercials.
I pay it to not see commercials and to binge watch my favourite shows ffs! Get yo shit together Netflix! You already have enough money coming from the paying users and productplacements
hotdogvomitgrenade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:43:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trump legacy: Just keep saying you don't, even if you do. I love it!
wharpudding ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:50:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By golly, you're right. That type of thing never, ever happened before November 2016.
Really, blaming him for all problems isn't going to make him go away or anything. It just makes you look whiny.
hotdogvomitgrenade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Butthurt much?
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh. I'm not the one who is consistently bringing him up every time something negative is mentioned as if he's to blame for it.
But the MSDNC crowd. Oh man, they are seriously butthurt.
italia06823834 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Soon it will be just like cable TV. Why does a service I pay for have ads?
(Rhetorical question if not obvious.)
Muscles_McGeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing is as bad as cable TV. Even free Hulu with it's multiple commercial interruptions isn't 10% as bad as cable.
IceCold3003 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:58:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Show me an ad I cancel my sub. Full stop
ijee88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is almost totally devoid of quality content to begin with.
Vurondotron ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to add /s for sarcasm.
ijee88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't a joke. 99% of Netflix is bargain bin crap. Canceled my sub a while ago and haven't looked back.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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theruneman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great quote. Long enough to pee, not long enough to make a sandwich. I do love my pause button.
leaves-throwaway123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But they aren't showing advertisements for products you can buy, are they? They are just pointing out other media on the platform you're already paying to use, which is then accessible to you at no cost. The unskippable part is may be annoying I get that, but I don't see the whole uproar here to be honest
APiousCultist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're not selling you anything, just promoting other Netflix shows. They aren't making money off of you choosing to watch them. So it isn't disingenuous for them to deny calling them commercials.
They do sound annoying as piss though.
hellofarts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:58:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If im not mistaken, the other shows pay them to have their shows show up tho. So its adverts isnt it?
jamesick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are the movie posters you see when browsing also adverts in that sense then?
thebluediablo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Splitting hairs, I guess, but if it's in-service content, would they not be classified as promotions rather than advertisements?
Tapeworm1979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you mean other shows pay for them? Netflix either make their own, or pay for content from other providers. Either way it costs Netflix to put them on.
Its in Netflix's interest to make you watch more shows. Plus the 'adverts', which frankly are really trailers, will most likely be tailored to your viewing.
APiousCultist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they pay? Netflix pays them for the right to host their shows.
iAMDerggg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre mini trailers for their own shows, they literally play them in the 20 seconds in between episodes. And yes you CAN skip them.
This is a tad bit of an overreaction imo. Do you guys really want Netflix to fail for getting you to try to watch some of their other stuff? Are yโall bitter enough to give life back to even worse streaming sites that play 3-5 commercials an episode, or even worse, CABLE that airs 20+ commercials in a single commercial break?
Netflix really has spoiled everybody huh. Does anyone even remember how bad we had it before Netflix?
Edit: some words
qoaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't bad before Netflix... In the early 90s I downloaded off newsgroups and ftp sites passed around on irc, then p2p and newsgroups, the torrent and newsgroups, then I got Netflix and only pirated what Netflix didn't have, and now I am back to torrent and newsgroups... Only loser is Netflix lol
iAMDerggg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think the average consumer knows what any of that means. Or how to go about torrenting. AKA me
luckofthesun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not a good reason for Netflix to slide and start allowing intrusive adverts (just because it used to be worse on cable)
One thing leads to another
iAMDerggg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it intrusive if you can skip it? Before they had a dead 20 seconds on screen waiting for the next episode to play, now itโs just a blurb from one of their shows that you can skip. It would be intrusive if you couldnโt skip it.
Adamthe_Warlock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:52:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So Iโve actually gotten these commercials and as long as they stay as is I wouldnโt be worried, instead of 15 seconds of credits itโs 15 seconds of essentially a silent poster for another tv show you might like based on your watching history. And if you want to you can still click and play the next episode directly. If it gets worse, multiple unskippable ads, or ads in the middle of the show, thenyeah id call it itโs the reason I donโt use Hulu.
___butthead___ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
Yar - Har - fiddle - dee-dee being a pirate is all right with me!
do what you want 'cause a pirate is free you are a pirate!
MrGiantGentleman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:19:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a part of a pretty decent invite-only torrent site that hasn't given me issues in years but I like Netflix because it's obviously just a bit easier to log on and click on a series.
I don't want to do it Netflix, but you've left me no choice...Yo ho, motherfucker.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Day has come..
drew8080 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
C ya Netflix
Shitty_Google_Bot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm quitting Netflix while claiming I'm not quitting Netflix
UlyssesSKrunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse than Wikipedia saying they don't have ads in their ads for themselves.
showeringwithbeer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix has lost my business, and I was a customer back when getting DVDs was a big deal.
First they hiked the price up when they added streaming, and only grandfathered in old customers for a couple months at the old rate.
Again, when they started limiting screens to an account, they raised the price. Now you have to pay more than the starting rate just to get HD!? We are moving into 4K, HD should be the starting quality, not something you pay extra for.
Their original content has trickled down slowly so that the few Netflix series I like either have years between seasons, or get run as one-off seasons and never picked up for more. Their catalogue of other movies and TV shows is pitiful; I've rewatched everything I want to, and rarely does anything "New" come out that is actually interesting, or is something I haven't seen elsewhere already.
I mean come on, you're still making customers wait a year on current TV shows before you put the last season up.
And side note; can we off stand-up specials to decent comedians instead of everyone wgo has ever told a joke on camera? It's great 20 new specials come out, but when old Bill Burr specials are still the best comedy you have to offer (I fucking love you Bill!), you need to cut quantity and improve quality.
Tl;dr Netflix I have tried 3 times in the past 2 years to come back, and I never make it past my one month before cancelling.
Unless they re-haul their programming or prices, I have no intention of ever signing up for them again. I can easily use someone else's account if a hit show comes along, and my friends hold viewing parties so we can all binge showd together. No point in handing Netflix $150 a year on things I can watch a million other ways.
Your content is stale, dropping in quality, and you are now working like IP's do, increasing prices exhorbanantly when you don't need to.
PFunk224 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is another reason to cancel Netflix- this latest move is just yet another in their trend of reducing content and features while increasing rates. "Oh, this isn't as bad as people are making it out to be" is just a way to excuse death by a thousand cuts.
showeringwithbeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have so much filler content of shows they could cut, movies few people really want to watch, it's forced me back onto torrents and the like because I can just download in tje background and queue a bunch up at once.
I am in the market for a new TV just so I can broadcast my computer wirelessly on it, and I want a definition upgrade too. But I am doing that to essentially have my downloads easy to play from my P.C. because at least then I know I have (or can have) the content I want.
Netflix is not worth the hassle, and they joined along with every other streaming service to collectively hike monthly rates up. Netflix was $5 a month for me, now it's twice that for the same service, with less content I want to watch, and the most annoying "features". Ads on a paid service, and that stupid autoplay once you scroll across a title is maddening!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
itt people claiming lack of ads is the only reason they use netflix
conveniently forgetting that they were unable to stream shows on demand before this
TheProphetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know torrenting and illegal streams are a thing right?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TheProphetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no, but that's what people were doing before affordable streaming was released because they were fed up of traditional television and didn't want to pay for premium channels to watch movies
PeacefulDays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hear the sweet call of the high seas yet again.
Idrahaje ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's not really what I think of when I think of commercials, but who am I to argue with the almighty reddit?
longshot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They need to remember torrenting remains as easy as ever.
The only reason I don't is because netflix is even more convenient than torrenting. Stuff like this can tip the balance.
phoonie98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
people complaining about them showing 'commercials' of their own shows. Give me a break people. I mean, if this is the most infuriating aspect of your day then god help you. It's not like P&G is advertising tampons to you babies. Maybe they should.
themostlegit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Netflix want to show commercials for their own content, bring it the fuck on. How else will I know what looks good.
If Netflix want to show me ads for products, then fuck them.
bajsgreger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who doesn't care? Thousands of movies and tv shows one click away, and people are threatening to boycott it because they occasionally have to wait 30 seconds while a man gushes away about how damn awesome coke is.
uploadrocket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a time to be alive when our primary concerns in society are trailers.
I wonder how future civilizations will look back at us and realize how petty we are
toronto_programmer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Prime video does this and I hate it with a passion
When I fire up something I want to watch I donโt need a 3 minute commercial for Man In The High Castle.
I know you can skip over it but it is annoying, especially when on mobile data that that pops up on its own
fool_on_a_hill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What these companies need to realize is that we will all go back to pirating the second it becomes more convenient than paying again. There was a bit there where we were all willing to pay because it's actually the best option but I have a feeling those days are coming to an end.
scandalousmambo ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:37:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's going back to pirating because nobody was pirating in the first place. Settle down, Tubby.
I_survived_the_ban ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could you expand on this a bit?
scandalousmambo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes went from a blank piece of paper to more than eight billion in revenue in a couple years. Had piracy even been a minimal factor, this couldn't have happened.
Piracy is a non-issue and always has been a non-issue.
XanXic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You replied with an example of the exact reason he stated they stopped pirating. Convenience
Netflix/iTunes offered an easy affordable way to get what you want. Not to mention both reinvented the wheel when it came to consuming content.
It's like saying Amazon only exists because nobody bought stuff at the local brick and mortar.
fool_on_a_hill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If piracy was a non issue then cease and desist letters would not be a thing.
fool_on_a_hill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did.. you just call me a name?
nthn713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are not technically commercials but in network premonitions. Sirius radio does the same thing. They regularly promote other channels. Still feel just like a commercial to me.
Mousetrap94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs like when Bethesda Game Studios began charging for mods but claimed they werenโt.
Itโs the equivalent of a three year old drawing on the walls but claiming they arenโt even though you see it happening in front of you
TenslasterGames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only watch like, 3 shows on Netflix. BMS, The Office, and Breaking Bad. I have no problem torrenting my shit.
markodemi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I havent been on netflix in a few days. Are these commercials before, during, after the movie or all of the above.?
NewYorkJewbag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre very unobtrusive previews of other shows. This is being blown outta proportion.
robert235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Flixmercials
KILLJEFFREY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand this. They have/had a
goodgreat product and now they are destroying it. You can't just ride it out until kingdom come.It's like you've gotten 90% out of a wet towel, but you want the last 10% so you're going to do whatever it takes to get it.
NewYorkJewbag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ads are previews for their own shows. Thereโs so much on Netflix, I donโt mind seeing a preview.
N02AJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cancelled already.
slickstreet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โTruth isnโt truth!โ
Indulge_Me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix, do you really wanna lose millions of subs? Cause this is how you will lose millions of subs.
7-billion-and-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't found anything on Netflix worthy of tolerating any ads. I'd cancel without 2nd thought of I saw any ads between/ during shows.
Already don't like the autoplay trailers.
VerySuperGenius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like the commercials but I'm still shocked that Netflix is only $11 a month. I used to pay over 10 times that much and had to spend 1/3 of the time watching commercials.
KingGorilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're advertisements but not commercials
anonymous_user_96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So begins the downfall of Netflix, and the rise of Disney.
SKozan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they had a wizard or some sort of recommendation option that a person would choose, but to autoplay anything between episodes is unacceptable.
PlanBJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had to watch a 30 second ad, just to watch a clip that has absolutely nothing to do with the article. Iโm just gonna go ahead and kill myself now.
A-Bi-Furry-Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I watched the entirety of Disenchantment before the ads came.
Vagbloodwhitestuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are previews
PortlandPhil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when Hulu started with only one short ad at the front of their videos.
DevonMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
NetFlix Pro is coming.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"You're listen to CRAP on Sirius XM Radio... Commercial free radio. Now on Sirius XM channel xx is the show you never want to miss! Tune to the other station now!"
RoachboyRNGesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want anybody to give me money but does anyone have any gold I can have for free? Also accepting diamonds.
Placido-Domingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Torrents are like that old sword the hero keeps coming back to. Every now and then I get lured away, but when the going gets tough, they've got your back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that they're making billions and everyone is literally profiting just goes to show how important margins are for these corporate giants. We're already paying to not see ads, you're already increasing the monthly charge what seems to be almost yearly, now you want more cash flow from advertisers willing to pay you the big stuff so we can have cable TV all over again? Not cool.
Next, they'll add a "premium" option so you don't see ads. You heard it here first ladies and gentlemen.
Edit: an idea
a_goonie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can skip it then it a whatever issue that might actually help you find something you may like.
Blazed_Banana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Come on guys its bound to happen eventually. The bigger the platform the biggee the audiance the more money that can be made!
itsthevoiceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is effectively what HBO does, it's a promo for their other products.
If they start advertising for products or services in no way associated with Netflix's products (toilet paper, iPads, Coke, etc) then it'll be legitimate commercials.
rodgie05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care at all. I use a free family Netflix. I hardly watch netflix anymore though. Most of the new shows are are targeted toward women, teens, and LGBT. The only show that was somewhat interesting was altered carbon, and that show was trash.
dialleft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They always had a short countdown between episodes, always with the highlighted option to hit Enter to skip immediately. Now the wait is 30 seconds while they play a trailer and the same Enter option is highlighted to skip - no change. They still have the nice skip intro option. This whole post feels like a competitor placement.
AlexQuotesMovies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truth isnโt the truth
asdf785 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Netflix doesn't have a vested interest in getting you to watch Netflix, only to keep you paying for Netflix. They're testing this style of recommendation, likely because they realize that people keep paying for Netflix because they are recommended content they like via the other methods, so they try this one.
People pay for Netflix to be ad free, but do you guys consider the "recommended for you" category an ad? Do you complain about that?
It's a test and, if it's deemed to improve user experience, it will remain. Based on the backlash, however, I expect it will quietly go away.
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it interrupts the current show I'm watching with a "trailer" of a different show yes it's an ad and obnoxious.
asdf785 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:50:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't. It plays between episodes.
No different than before when the credits were minimized and a recommendation pops up, except now it's a video.
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's your opinion.
asdf785 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is?
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
asdf785 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:32:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see how that's an opinion. Now it's just a video instead of a still ad. Either I'm wrong or I'm right, either way, it's not an opinion...
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's an opinion. A static skippable image doesn't have the same effect as a Video with Audio.
asdf785 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But I said the difference was that it was a video? I never gave an opinion on whether or not I liked the video aspect of it.
Also, keep in mind this is in the context of whether or not this is more of an ad than a still image. Not if it's more obnoxious.
NerD__RagE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am thinking whether to keep it or not. Just like their ads.
workingishard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fully prepared to be downvoted for this, but is it really that big of a deal for them to show 'commercials' for their own content, before a show? I mean, HBO literally does the same thing on both HBO and HBOGo/Now, except you have to fast forward through them (not press "skip") and I don't see anyone complaining about that? What about Amazon's Prime Video service which does the exact same thing Netflix is trying, and has for months?
It'd be one thing if they were interrupting a show partway through, or they were unskippable, but they don't, and they aren't. Do you also get bent out of shape over trailers at the movies, or at home on the DVDs/Blurays you bought? Cough.
marbymarbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Between this and the splitting up of exclusive content between a growing number of streaming sites, they can be sure to see a rise in piracy again.
Gogan404 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guess the billions in debt is catching up to them
Slims ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HBO GO has always showed trailers for their other shows. Why is no one mad at them?
songintherain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am sort of giving them a pass on the auto play feature but this is too much. Iโm out. Cancelling ASAP
ijoshyounot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, a "commercial" is advertising paid for by a client. They directly bring in $$$ to a platform. "Promos" are a platform's self-advertising.
ravia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some non testers may experience reduce streaming speeds.
JK....I hope..
funkopat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In spite of my fear of sounding like a shill, I honestly have no problem with them promoting their content to me. I've always felt that they didn't have a good way of making you aware of their new originals. They just kind of appear and they don't market them all very well aside from the big ones i.e. Bright, Stranger Things, OiTNB, House of Cards (RIP) that you already know exist. Other stuff just gets added. I had no idea what Santa Clarita Diet was and happened across it and gave it a shot and it was completely nothing like what I thought it was. I'm not going to happen by everything they need to give some exposure to what's being added.
cherrypmi92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's compromise, Netflix. You play ads for your own content but stop autoplaying poorly done "trailers" when I go over a thumbnail.
They aren't even trailers anymore. They're random clips with OST from the show/movie, if we're lucky, otherwise it's stock music. I'm pretty sure it's all randomly generated by a computer. Pls stop
Fatticus_Rinch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2+2 is 5 quick maffs.
Skareffect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix gonna start losing business.
discourseur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just a little reminder to netflix : plex exists. Unlimited internet is now a reality. Don't toy with my emotions.
gagajm22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like spotify supports drake with advertisements that aren't really ads so no refunds on premium accounts.
Aggnavarius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YARRR!!! If only there be a solution to seein' unwanted adverts. These filthy landlubbers are pollutin' our screen space. I'd give both of me peg legs if one of ye hearties could think of a way to watch yer shows without seeing those bloody commercials. YARRR! AND MAKE IT FREE TO BOOT, YE FILTHY FREEBOOTERS!
rodgie05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Regular commercials are not an issues, I can easily tune them out. In show or movie commercials are more difficult to notice or tune out, therefore more effective.
Baul_Sachs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's so much to watch I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a quick 15 sec preview of something. However not being able to skip is a horrendous mistake.
Rhodie114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, guess it's time to see what Plex is all about.
vanishplusxzone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, seems like I cancelled my Netflix just in time.
utter_ridiculousness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truth isnโt truth.
AroundGoesThe18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truth isnt truth!
groatt86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Popcorn Time
Google it, your welcome.
PMMEYourTatasGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've defended Netflix up until now, despite numerous shows being taken off. But this is where I draw the line, if there's commercials I'm done, I'll just pirate. Shit even if they raised the price of my sub I wouldn't Care too much, its still a great deal. But commercials are a deal breaker
FunnyHunnyBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How come HBO has done this forever and also claims to have "no advertising" but gets a pass? I never hear the internet get pissed about HBO advertising their own shows at the beginning of every program.
I'm neutral towards this issue. I don't see it being a big deal either way. I'm just curious why HBO gets silence but Netflix gets a massive uproar from the internet over the exact same policy.
TheRocketSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A good advert should be welcomed by the recipient. Its only the irrelevant ones you get pissed about. And you pay for Netflix, and Netflix make shoes you clearly like, so IF IT'S DONE WELL this should be seen as a good thing.
ivnwng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Netflix is a shoe company :D
TheRocketSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I stand by it. For prolonged, and very comfortable, periods of time.
PM_ME_YOUR_BOO_URNS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT
yokelburg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There not commercials they are clearly adverts godddd!
RoyRodgersMcFreeley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally every show people are bitching about are now on hulu in full. Hulu is owned by Disney/Fox and a couple other big media names so no shit they wont keep their stuff on a competitor service (in the U.S. where were we have both hulu and netflix).
Ad free hulu has ads on 6 shows out of thousands of show. The shows are New Girl, How to get Away With Murder, Agents of Shield, Scandal, Greys Anatomy and Once Upon a Time. That's it and it has to do with a preexisting deal with ABC so let's not pretend they are the embodiment of evil personified
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does Netflix want to become like Blockbuster? Cuz this is how you become like Blockbuster....
mzoltek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We watch a lot of netflix shows, mostly random stuff, so I actually don't mind the ads because I never know what the hell is on there
chumbawumba99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see Giuliani is running their PR now
finnaw0ke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like when Spotify promises 30 minutes of ad free listening but it only gives 10-15 minutes
DMindisguise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is going ass backwards, even Youtube stops showing ads when you pay for a suscription.
I would understand and actually opt in if they told us that they are trying to get more revenue to make big budget content or simply just more content.
It would be sort of like not using adblock or not skipping ads for your favorite Youtubers, entirely optional.
LOUD-AF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did someone mention Tune-In Radio?
https://help.tunein.com/i-still-hear-commercials-on-my-favorite-radio-station.-why-S1Ng905OvG
Hi Tune In Radio, meet Netflix.
Spojinowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This isn't a commercial! This is an advertisement!"
spantzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โTruth is not truth.โ
_ImYouFromTheFuture_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just add a trailer channel as in a channel that plays trailers for content the user might be interested in. Oh and make it so like it wont suggest the same movie twice in a certain period of time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh is that not what it is?
DirkDieGurke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kinda thinking of dumping Netflix. I have Amazon Prime. Prime has Doctor Who. Netflix doesn't have Doctor Who. Easy decision really.
PuffTheMagicBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God Amazon Prime Video drives me nuts over this. Even though they're just commercials for other shows.
BeerSteak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying Netflix commercials are coming for years. Why? Because they are constantly focus-grouping commercials and have been for at least five years that I know of.
As soon as the expected number of dropped subscriptions costs less than the profit commercials will bring, we're getting commercials. It has always been an inevitability.
MxCherryBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I use Zona, the Netflix for poor people.
ythoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man why do they need ads they're already killing it aren't they?
kintustis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just leave Netflix. If they make ANY money off this, theyโre not gonna stop. Why pay any money if youโre not getting it ad-free? After all theyโre not the only place to watch shows, pick someone who treats you like a person.
PFunk224 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The really embarrassing thing is that the majority of the users on the Netflix subreddit are defending it by using the same broken logic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
commercials ruin the experience
NilsTillander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, like cinemas then... (yes, I am angry at adds in cinemas).
Sanjuro7880 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt understand the uproar. At least theyโre not pushing products on us just advertising shows we may want to binge. Fine by me.
RoRo25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they are handling this bad. But what they are doing now honestly doesn't bother me at all. The spots don't interrupt anything I'm watching. They play during the 15 second countdown and can be skipped at anytime. As long as they stay like this I totally welcome it. When they start playing these during shows and movies, that's when I will unsubscribe.
DeadlyMustardd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if this happens I'll cancel. Literally the only reason I went to this service was to watch WHAT I want to watch when I want to watch it. I'd rather go back to piracy than pay to watch ads.
Minitell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew netflix was too good to last, ah well. Back to torrents.
OliverBludsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've gone through enough slow creeping commercialism before to know where this will definitely end up. Membership canceled.
Psychomaniac13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what weโve come down to?
brazillion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, Alternative Ads.
Crackstacker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The truth isnโt the truth.
FierceTierce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cancelled Netflix when they removed Futurama. Defiantly not coming back to them now.
manymensky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I've been saying all along, the only way to watch anything is to pirate it. Even when you pay for shit they're gonna spam ads in your face that's what tv did for 70 years
SilverSageDsgn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once upon a time, TV was free and available to everyone through the air. All you had to do was ignore commercials. Then, a new invention where If you paid for TV you didn't have commercials. Now we pay to see commercials. Or pay to dvr through them. That's progress.
Mrjman072 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix: theyโre bonus shows inside your show
pappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finally someone gets it. CNN was telling us to 'relax,' Reddit over-reacted, Netflix isn't toying with commercials. Yes, they're toying with commercials, the same way CNN plays commercials on CNN's Internet stream promoting its own programs.
Grizzly-boyfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If netflix goes through and adds ads to all its prigrams im gonna unsub and go back to priating all my shit. Fuck this and fuck all that.
Hell i probably should just pirate anyway since half the shit i used to watch is on half a million different streaming apps
yunabladez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"When Netflix gives you commercials, don't just tolerate them. Make Netflix take the commercials back! Get mad! I don't want your damn commercials, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see Netflix's manager! Make Netflix rue the day it thought it could give you commercials! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the commercials! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible commercial stunt that burns your house down!"
JarackaFlockaFlame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah 2018, where you say A, do B and nobody will do anything about it
VeryLargeTardigrade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are just hip to the times. Truth isnt truth, commercials isnt commercials. Its how it goes.
This is not at post, and its definitely not on reddit.
OrangeEarPlugz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really wish we all had the guts to just stop consuming streamable media altogether. Go back to DVDs and books and that's about it. I can't really advocate for that, though, since football season is rapidly approaching and I basically live for college football.
I have no problem not watching TV, but I know for some people TV shows are what college football is to me.
I hate commercials so much.
testiclekid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you , scallywags!! I will scuttle your business and plunder your content..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix loses subscribers. Claims they're not.
Poo_C ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't just cancel your future subscriptions but also file a refund for current subscription
trollglodyte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.redd.it/kdc6j4q0z8h11.jpg
-PCLOADLETTER- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You guys don't get a sense of pride and accomplishment by watching advertisements?
sold_snek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercials are why I picked Netflix over Hulu. If Netflix shows commercials as well, Hulu is the superior platform.
Bart_Thievescant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I needed to read more, anyway.
GRANDOLEJEBUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well time the can Netflix. I'll go back to the real commerical free way.
Mrzeldaootfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
their not commercials, their "ads"
vicewave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative ads
Cebaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So many people getting worked up over Netflix advertising their own shows after the one you watch is over. Can skip it no problem just like skipping intros. Nothing interrupting you while you watch.
Brugor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess this is only a NA thing (for now). When this comes to Scandinavia I will cancel my subscription and sign on for one of Netflixโs competitors instead. Sad, was looking forward to that Witcher-show. But Iโm not paying for commercials - thatโs why I dropped normal television.
Prime157 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen one yet. Is it just that annoying trailer for their original content that auto plays, or is it like, "here's Pepsi?"
MethLab4QT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you consider the little bumpers for other shows before your show on HBO a commerical?
Nibbcnoble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh.. at most that article reminds me of how shitty articles are written these days. Just shit slinging trash all day
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Children gather round. I cancelled my Netflix when they wanted to charge more for streaming. At a time when I was getting 2 dvds sent to my house. I still don't have them. Over time they will become the corporate entity that many despise. Turning into a cable like company.
technoluster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is not the truth
Huskgar27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why dont they offer a free version of Netflix with ads. People who dont want to pay with their pocket can be subjected to ads, get them on the site and make Netflix the money they feel they need more of. Then, leave people that pay subscriptions alone with this shit.
I'll cancel my damn subscription in a heartbeat. I didn't start paying cable for a reason.
lurker4lyfe6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The best way to make me not want to buy a product is when that product interrupts my otherwise uneventful streaming service. That fucker is going straight to my shit list
digitalherps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what they get for bailing on NN; they're just passing the new costs of doing business down to the consumer level without giving anything new and expect that we have no choice? Wrong!...best way to send them a message is mass cancellation of subscriptions.
ORJUAN_SC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's just TV now
Labarynth_89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix please if you are listening we pay a fee per month for your service not so you can start selling me ads. The moment this occurs on my screen I will cancel my sub and ask for a refund for the entire month as I have been lied to at that point. Here's to hoping the best entertainment service doesnt start alienating its paying customers just to air some shitty ad to make some idiot at corporate (and likely doesnt use the service) happy until the next quarter shows you lost active subs to ads. Dont do it I'm warning you.
ChrisFingaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:14 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Says the website that is barely readable because of ads
ElektricPrimate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/Njj0Kdk.jpg
AdultSwimExtreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like government owned public broadcaster here in Norway, NRK. They're "commercial" free, but constantly spam you with ads for their own shows.
MrsECummings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so done with obnoxious companies over advertising. Pretty shitty when you can't get away from commercials even by paying to avoid them! Insurance companies are the worst. So are big pharma and ambulance chasers.
Billy_Boot_n_Floof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just this morning I saw an advertisement in a fortune cookie...nothing is off limits.
plzdontkillmecomcast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This "don't click the ad" idea is a really, really bad one. They don't care if you click it they just want to be able to say there was eyes on it. If more people opt in then you're supporting these ads whether you click them or not.
Trainxrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Time to cancel the subscription...
i_am_the_devil_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Read a book. There are no commercials in books.
ZeikCallaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's not about the ads right now. I'm not a fan and I can honestly admit that they're not too bothersome....yet. The reason people are mostly upset isn't because of the ads in their current form. It's what they're most likely to devolve into. The problem with advertising is that once a company gets a taste of an easy revenue stream just by showing a few ads, it's hard not to start tacking on more. Yes right now Netflix is advertising it's own stuff so it doesn't count. But one day someone is going to offer them something they can't refuse. They'll then start advertising other things/shows. After a few years of slowly letting more ads appear or letting them get more invasive you end up like cable has. Where the goal of the medium isn't to give you content to watch, it's to push advertisements. The shows are just treated as down time between the ads. Will Netflix get this bad? I don't know and in reality it probably won't be that bad. But the point is their current business decision can very well lead them down that path, and it's not something most consumers want. So it's better to cry out and be outraged now to stop the behavior before it becomes generally accepted.
elendinel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of slopes we have to slide down before that becomes a reality.
The real problem is that people are so entitled these days and so oblivious to the costs of the products they consume that they think it's an affront to their senses to pay $10-15/month and have to spend 30 seconds looking at an ad for a Netflix show.
elendinel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of slopes we have to slide down before that becomes a reality.
The real problem is that people are so entitled these days and so oblivious to the costs of the products they consume that they think it's an affront to their senses to pay $10-15/month and have to spend 30 seconds looking at an ad for a Netflix show.
andlg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone saying that they will right away cancel their subscription once commercials go live, so whats the alternative? Cable? Hulu? Amazon prime? Satellite? Or are you just boycott tv shows all together
seemooreth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, Netflix will no matter what get $15 a month from all of it's customers. They do not get any additional money if the customers watch more content. What the fuck is the point of advertising the shit people are already paying for when you've already made all the money you can from that consumer?
GoGoGadge7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're commercials.
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix shows end up on my plex server, I claim they're not netflix shows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ok
GallopingGorilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So. Looks like weโre back to the days of torrenting shows and watching them on our own
TasslehofBurrfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Corporations are taking shit like this to the next level. Redefining the meaning of words. Remember when unlimited meant unlimited?
722wdblazer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They lost me when they took Magnum P.I. off
SandmanD2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stock price will tell them what to do.
I_am_from_Kentucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't mind ads. The ones I don't care about, I see once then tune out when they appear again. As long as they don't appear frequently (watching some Hulu content where there's an ad block 3 times in a 40 minute span is very annoying) I am squarely in the block of people who will continue to pay for it.
That said, good luck all you anti-advertisement folks. I'm keeping my Netflix subscription ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
GregSolomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion, but I personally donโt give a shit. I care about content. If the content is good, Iโll deal with a preview or 2.
The problem with Netflix is their content has been drying up in a bad way. Outside of their original series, thereโs not a whole lot of meat left on the bone and it sounds like itโs going to continually get worse as more and more keep pulling off of the network.
Iโve already switched to Hulu as my primary platform and got the ad free version. Seinfeld, iasip, Brooklyn 99, etc... just a lot of fresh quality content you cant get on Netflix anymore. I will probably keep it around until after the next season of stranger things and then cancel.
IMissBO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix could double their price and do these trailers for their content and I still wouldnโt leave. Pirating is inconvenient as shit unless you are on someone elseโs Plex server who gets a boner off of stealing content and updating their server. Even then it wonโt be the same quality as Netflix. I pay $15 a month to get 4K content on any device I want. ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
Vurondotron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found another corporate shill!!!!! This game is so much fun!!
IMissBO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol I just like Netflix ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
pubies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The nice thing about cutting the cord is that we don't have to eat shit from one or two corporations anymore. Netflix is replaceable, and if they turn on the consumers we can just as easily turn on them.
Raptor226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Leave Netflix alone they r awsum
Gerden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unsubbed from Netflix.
olraygoza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, people will click on them and watch those shows and the algorithm will rightfully say that it does work because people love commercials and being told what to buy and watch. As Carlin said, imagine the average person who watches Netflix and remember that 50 percent are dumber.
SirGunther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix would do this for a few reasons. All reasons motivated by money. I believe that there is something more concerning for Netflix and the association with rating systems and legalities. If the rating systems were hurting views on specific shows/movies and the owners of that content claim that the rating system put into place is at fault then Netflix is potentially liable for damages and lost revenue in royalties. I don't believe this move is as malevolent as some make it out to be because given the timing of removal of rating systems and introduction of commercials, what we learned from House is that there is one common symptom.
RespectGiovanni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We live in a society
evanc1411 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the way this article is written. It's someone trying too hard to sound like a redditor.
julesrules817 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Morrissey:"Cry til you're dead."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ayeeeeee
XXX-XXX-XXX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix should understand how easy it is to watch their entire catalogue and so much more on a third party streaming site, for free.
baumbach19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will honestly cancel my sub if I have to start watching commercials.
I dropped cable TV for Netflix for the sole reason to not have to watch commercials.
But you do sacrifice in doing that. I have to wait a long time to see the same shows people can watch on cable.
If Netflix starts making me watch commercials, I will cancel and just get TiVo with cable again.
The_Pip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DO they I interup an episode or movie? Are they just self promotion?
Thatโs all you need to ask.
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So does Amazon, and neither offer things that are in cinemas, so besides the few times a year they have new releases, what is the point in them? Well compared to piracy (the only other way to get VOD without being nickel and dimed by studio's) they are pretty cheap.
howmanytizarethere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well you know how it is these days....Truthโs not the truth, and all that. Commercials are not the commercials. Itโs all the same thing really.
SenorDrives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative Ads.
Sharrow746 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From the article
Honestly don't see what all the over reaction is to this if you can just click skip.
I already find it annoying when they ask if I'm still binge watching but it's a button click away. I for one know I'm terrible at choosing things to watch.
They must have the numbers to say that very little of what they have on is actually watched because people will usually pick what they know.
They can't reasonably get rid of content because, you know, people will complain that there's hardly any shows to skip and avoid now and it's much easier to find the office so they can watch it for the 50th time.
Danichiban ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs like they are a company trying to make more money by advertising products with a media that is popular...who wouldโve guessed?
KarmaBot1000000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am NOT PAYING for your service to watch commercials
milesdizzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck is Netflix trying to become Crackle?
Abe_Vigoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even use Netflix. I just like reading all the shill PR comments supporting them adding commercials to their platform that they marketed as ad free.
duckterrorist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A video consumption titan refusing to listen to customer demand/feedback? They own so much of the market! What's the worst that could happen?
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy.
Plain and simple.
I did not put my trust in you for you to become another one of those corporate douchebags.
Edward_Pissypants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No no no no no no no no
Dharmadragqueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the inclusion of commercial took longer than I thought, what with how much they spend on original content.
seancm32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I start getting commercials on Netflix that I am already paying for I am cancelling it. He certainly why I don't do Hulu
pollutionmixes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercials aren't commercials
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These commercials are fake news, they are not commercials! This accusation that they are commercials are a WITCH HUNT! And most stop IMMEDIATELY! Make Netfix Profitable Again!
theNickOTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Much the same, the Drake promotion Spotify forced on users was said to not be advertising since "a product or service was not being promoted."
DeceptiJon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when seeing "Netflix Orignal" was a big deal?
allahfalsegod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't all commercials a recommendation to consume some kind of content?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Netflix folds, all the others will too, Iโm afraid. Iโm fairly certain that Netflix is the only reason Hulu has an ad free option.
RICKYROBERTSON ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like the commercials, they show me something to look forward to on Netflix.
Awxsome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hey, it's working for Trump. "Truth isn't truth.."
Popxorcist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And here I'm still torrenting oldskool. News like these certainly don't want me to move one.
deeegy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
SMH - Down with the NETFLIX CORP. UP THE CBC
Philthy91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, this is the most overblown story since the great EA debacle of 2017
Vurondotron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the corporate shill.
Philthy91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go cancel for all I care. It's a small ad spot.
bpieszak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that was not overblown, ea killed videogames for like a decade. People out here thirsting for something decent
Solid_Gold_Turd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:52 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I see ads on Netflix, I get rid of Netflix. Period.
whatevers1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the way of the world people. Get used to it. Also, HBO and other premium channels has been doing self promo shit for years. You wanna binge watch a show on HBO? You're gonna be having commercials just like these between every episode you load anyways. Companies are gonna try and do everything to keep you hooked and spending money. Did you all think somehow Netflix is benevolent because they are cheap? Let me tell you something. The second a large enough chunk cuts cable and starts switching over to these streaming services guess what's suddenly gonna cost just as much as cable is now? Everyone wants something for nothing when it's just not gonna happen.
Enshakushanna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
books have been ad free since forever, and they still around, so you dont have to do this netflix
smh
noobplus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix is well on its way to becoming the c word... The first one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really dont understand the outrage here. It sounds like they're quick recommendations after an episode. Like I usually get up to get a drink or go to the bathroom and such after an episode anyway.
If they were splitting episodes up with them like cable or how hulu used to work that's one thing but I mean is it really that annoying between a FULL EPISODE?
Like shit I'm done after 2 episodes normally anyway.
Yall either got nothing to do and watch too much Netflix or are just looking to get angry over something. Either way just Netflix and chill the fuck out
Avarix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they are between full episodes, and you can opt out; I donโt see the issue. They are adds pointing you towards other content on Netflix that is similar to what you are watching. Netflix has shown in the past to be a decent pro customer company.
JBtheHound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt mind an ad in-between shows for their own original content, which this is. HBO does it. If they start advertising for 3rd parties then itโd be rightful to freak out.
Meocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love it when idiots bungle their business and force everyone back to torrenting.
logan5156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:17 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix stock went up 3% today because of this. Up $10.
scouterkidd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's kind of ironic I had to spend the first two minutes readjusting the screen to find my place because ads were loading and pushing the text up and down constantly.
SesshySiltstrider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just go back to torrenting if I can't find a way to pay for my content. It's hard enough getting most stuff up here in Canada without paying an arm and a leg. Netflix was and hopefully will continue to be part of that answer
burgfan23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If this is something that can provide another revenue stream consider it a done deal...testing is just to make sure the program functions properly before rolling it out to all.
joshonalog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw one of these commercials, it was for a Netflix show and totally skippable. Itโs just something they show between episodes if you havenโt already clicked skip. As long as theyโre skippable I donโt see whatโs wrong with recommending another show in time that isnโt being used for anything else anyway.
EvaCarlisle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to defend what Netflix may or may not be doing, but did anyone read the article? It's pretty short and most of it is just second-handedly reciting stories from a reddit thread last weekend. It also goes on to quote Netflix without quotation marks so I'm not sure what it is that Netflix actually said.
MiDusa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why dont they make netflix free and include ads with that
Vurondotron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:27 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've said this the other day when this first arrived. If they want ads then make their services free and leave paid members alone.
MiDusa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, crunchyroll has been doing that for a long time
kekuntavu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Works pretty well
TaydenB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Opting out does nothing, not interacting does nothing. The only thing that would have an impact is people actually canceling their service. If the feature is being live tested its here to stay, they just want to be able to say its only a test to calm people down.
Kulladar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear there's a vicious cycle of every corporation that has a good idea now-days.
You have a good idea and build a successful company then you hit a milestone. You get big enough that you can hire a group of employees that's entire job is to just sit around and try to figure out ways to save money and increase profits every year. If you've ever worked for a large corporation you know these people because you fucking hate them because they cause shit loads of problems with their nickle and dime bullshit.
They start cutting anywhere they can to save some money and at first it's not noticeable but over time it ruins everything. Quality drops, other corporations and the good suppliers stop wanting to work with them, and prices go up slowly for customers and after a while people start realizing they're paying twice as much for a shit product because it used to be great.
Seriously. Take any company you liked the product of that became shit and I guarantee you could talk to employees of those companies and trace their downfall back to the type of people I just described.
Company declines, customers abandon it, a competitor arises that gives people what they want, rinse repeat.
sequence_killer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The beauty is I can cancel and just download their shows. I'm not renewing amazon for this reason. Everytime you open it or start a show it plays one of their 3 commercials. The jack Ryan one...
RadioMelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are they doing this, are they suffering that badly financially?
I can't think of any other reason to do this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:53 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't commercials, and there's nothing commercial about them. No one is paying Netflix to run adverts for their own content, to people who already pay the subscription fees. Adverts they are, commercials they are not. They are both annoying (assuming they can't be skipped), but let's call a spade a fucking spade people.
SamCarter_SGC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Semantics? No one cares about who is paying for what, it's the interruption that people dislike. Advertising, commercial or otherwise, ruins anything and everything it touches.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK Bill Hicks, calm down. Yes, advertising is shitty, but a trailer and an advert, while sharing a format, are two different things. It's not like they are trying to sell me a product, because I already buy the product. And it's not like they are trying to sell me anti aging cream or dick pills that don't work, so they don't have that insidious, scummy nature that ads do.
And yes, I would (and likely will) find the interruption annoying, but I'm not such a bitch that I can't press the skip button. If they'll ever make them unskippable then maybe I'll change my mind, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
grape_tectonics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they do realize that jedi mind tricks don't actually work if they aren't jedis, right?
Shroffinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt you either let other companies put ads to sponsor their stuff for money or you put ads out on yourself in places on other sites.
Why is Netflix putting ads about Netflix on Netflix??
butbot5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't they stopped with the commercials now? I swear I saw an article earlier about them stopping.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up with regular tv. We pay the for the cheapest plan of Netflix and Hulu and it's still significantly less expensive with astronomically fewer advertisements than television.
I get why it's frustrating, but I don't get why it's so rage enducing. It's like everybody is furious because it's only better than the alternative rather than perfect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Netflix got good i made an account instead of pirating its content, after this looks like am going back to it.
iammrpositive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Back to piracy I guess.
Forever_Halloween ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anything besides the episode or movie I clicked to watch...is an ad or commercial. I donโt want it. Thanks
Snack_on_my_Flapjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it's between episodes and skippable, what's the big deal?
jackthedipper18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first time I see a commercial, I will cancel my subscription. The whole reason I signed up was to not have to deal with commercials
TheBookOfLostThings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, as long as the person paying for the netflix I use doesn't mind I don't either.
BiffMckraken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In related news:
Customers cancel Netflix, Claim they're not coming back.
PfarrerO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that disney is working on a competitor. Is that true? If so, is ther any information on when it will launch?
blackbutterfree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the actual hell. Don't serve me sewage and call it chocolate milk.
toomanydickpics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they had like a channel where they showed movies and TV shows both leaving and coming to netflix like a little scrolly screen we can click on.
Roook36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is kind of like when Blockbuster stopped charging late fees but just changed the name to a 'restocking fee'
ktchong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:35 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"It's not commercials... it's, it's, RECOMMENDATIONS!"
veljkogl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:57 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They already have cigarette commercials all over the place
WizardyoureaHarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what doesn't show commercials? Showbox + Ad Blocker.
truexjr2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/piehole & I'd recommend /r/ublockorigin over AdBlock. AdBlock Plus is https://eyeo.com/products/#!/products_devices_row and works with advertisers for "Acceptable Ads". I don't find any of it acceptable.
WizardyoureaHarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I currently use Blockada but I'll try it out
jasondesante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that website has some script mining crypto in the background. that page made my cpu spike!
UnderAnAargauSun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What were the first two โCโ words?
Chaosmusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:48 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when going to the movies the only ads you saw were the previews for other movies. But that was OK, because it puts you in a movie watching mood.
Then there were ads for Coke. But they serve Coke at the theater so that kinda makes sense. Like the Let's Go Out To The Lobby bit.
Then there was infotainment content before the previews, so that if you got there early you weren't just sitting in a silent theater for 30 minutes.
Then there were product placements in the movie itself, but that's OK because it's part of the film and you don't care if the car they're driving is a Ford or a Honda.
Then one day I thought, shit, they got me watching commercials just like on TV. They raised the temperature slow enough and now I'm frogs legs.
mearry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the biggest non-issue of all time
get over it
chili01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a way to stop netflix auto-play when I am browsing shows/movies to watch?
truexjr2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That and the almighty advertising dollar they might get paid to play them.
StinkyIndexFinder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I canceled my sub, but I didnt cancel my sub.
jello1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:09 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could understand if they wanted to make a new free/cheaper tier that had ads. I don't know what they were expecting when they just started putting ads on the current platform.
mksurfin7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I realize most people disagree but this doesn't bother me. If they have short ads for their own content (big distinction in my mind) between shows without interrupting the show (another big distinction for whether it bothers me) then I'm ok with it. If it turns into ads in the middle of shows or for non-netflix content I would be upset. I realize you can make a slippery slope argument that it wouldn't stop there, but that's the line for me.
rendeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: people that didnt read the article
Dis_Miss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about their content that is basically one big ad? That newish Kelsey Grammer/Kristen Bell movie โLike Fatherโ is just one long commercial for Royal Caribbean.
14raymond14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre not trying to sell you prescription medication or oxyclean. Theyโre promoting their original content. Itโs fine. Their promotions donโt make me think I am ugly and need make up or think I need to shop for a clearance deal at Macyโs. Get over it.
708-910-630-702 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with almost everyone in this thread on both sides.
bristleboar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Filed under โtruth isnโt truthโ
allcryptal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly this is a response from over saturation since hundreds of programs are getting low views
wannacracker1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:01 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ditched cable to get away from ad....now I might have to go back to "alternatively streaming" shows and movies if it gets bad enough lol.
krispness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was it recommendations though? Were they just advertising other content on the platforms and people didn't like having to press skip? Because TBH I'm a bit annoyed when things auto-play as I'm trying to scroll but it also does lead to finding interesting new shows. It's a minor inconvenience at worst.
GrigoriTheDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think they'd understand by now that the cast majority of users will cancel the subscription if even one ad plays. Don't be stupid Netflix.
onethirdofakind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can I say I feel like everyone is overreacting? I mean, it isn't like it's going to be as bad as cable, you'll probably just get, what, a couple ads for other shows you might like between episodes. It isn't like Netflix is saying "Oh, hey, by the way, we're now going to be opening slots for advertisers in the middle of the shows." Nobody complains about HBO doing practically the same thing, but look how popular it still is.
MasterLad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahoy matey!
ItzRicky69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are they alternative commercials?
Tenderonies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu FTW!
fragtore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:51 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have me hanging by a thread already with youtube being so good and life being so interesting without tv.
benjyk1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Netflix's algorithm was actually good, then I could understand this because I would only ever see stuff I was actually interested in. The problem is that, in my experience anyway, their algorithm sucks. It almost never hits the mark on what it thinks I would like. Which makes them annoying to have to sit through. Even if I did like everything it showed me though, will it keep recommending the same shows to me even if I've watched them, or potentially infinitely until I watch them? That would very quickly become annoying as well.
7serpent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah the greed worm is eating at Netflix's brain. It's immoral to leave some coins on the table. Ya'know people are stupid and will not cancel.
National Public Radio and Television have succumbed to the worm too.
Every time I have had to buy a radio or TV I have bought a smaller model to reflect what is worth watching. The next step is an increasingly easy one. Turn it off.
rodental ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cancel Netflix.
vincredible ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of great suggestions here but this is a really simple one for me. I see ads, I unsubscribe. Only way they will ever change anything, if at all. They've already dropped 90% of the shows I used to watch and I honestly don't want Netflix just for their original programming.
DickMcCheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We prefer to call them "Entertainment Interruptions" or "Inconveniently placed Advertisements"
StreakofEmerald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Corporate greed strikes again. The people at the top of the trash heap that is Netflix want more money in the short-term, so they implement a monetization strategy thatโll cripple both their consumer base and them in the long-term. Idiots.
devilsadvocate09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like there is a major difference between being shown the same corny car commercial with Matthew McConaughey looking he needs a bath and being shown a quick show preview.
dread_pirate_wesley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:42 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have any of you even seen one of these "ads"? I got them yesterday, and I gotta tell ya, y'all are making a mountain out of a molehill. It's literally a screenshot with NO audio with a title of one of their shows, it stays on the screen 10-15 seconds, then resumes your show and there is a "continue watching" button in the lower right corner making it immediately skippable.
At the worst you're getting a silent 10-15 second pause between shows and it is immediately skippable with the press of a button. Personally I already watch more add free Hulu because they have more of a back catalog of stuff I want to watch and I don't care about Netflix originals, but Netflix has more movies and a better interface. I do like the idea of not opting out of the test and then down voting/ disliking whatever they try and show me. Hopefully that may eventually lead to a show I might watch, which is the intended purpose. But to each their own, I guess. Y'all do you!
rfb4e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could actually see this being somewhat useful but only if it was opt in ONLY. Maybe something where they ask if you want it on a first login and then never bother you again if you say no. Personally it's maybe something I'd turn on every so often if I'm in the market for a new show or whatever and would like to see some recommended content based on my viewing history.
Like I'm always for more options, but if they try to force the previews down people's throats that'd be an instant subscription cancel. If they do it right it could be a nice little optional feature to find new stuff to watch.
rustedmachines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:47 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, guess I'm going back to torrenting.
qaasq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure someone else has already mentioed this, but it's interesting that this article is written by "TVGuide". Of course they'll want to stir up controversy of Netflix, it's their main competitor.
Cremacious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me, it depends on how these "commercials" are handled. For example, let's say the episode of the show I'm watching ends, and now I'm being shown the credits. If the window for the credits reduces it's size, and in it's place is a static image or a 15 second video of some other show on the platform, I'm okay with that. Especially if I can press a button and move to the next episode.
I know it sounds weird for me to be okay with that method, but at the same time Netflix has so much stuff I'm not even aware of. This method provides an avenue to show me new content. But if the ad is for anything other than a movie/show available on Netflix, I would be pissed.
aviationpannel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People can fight ads, but product placement is already there to begin with...
chocolatpoussin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard something similar before ๐ค *turns over to drax
Japan_hiker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not good. Would rather they just raise the price of subscription.
Szwedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You had 1 job netflix and you fucked it up
lewmos_maximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. Am I missing something here? Isn't the whole point of Netflix is to pay for a streaming service absent advertising? This is why Hulu annoys me.
LuxLoser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the one hand, I pay a subscription not to get ads. On the other, itโs only their content, and there are plenty of great shows on there that could use exposure beyond word of mouth.
I guess as long as it isnt in the middle of the film or an episode I can tolerate it. But the minute non-Netflix content ads are in, Im out.
i_amtheeggman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:08 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better fucking not Netflix...
Lisnya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:51 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have Netflix in Greece, where we won't get the sixth season of OITNB, for example, because they've sold it to a cable network. I'm paying them every month, I don't get to even watch their own shows, let alone any other decent ones and soon I'll be paying them to watch ads? Yeah, no, I'm cancelling. I was already considering it as it was, I won't pay for ads.
ImHereByTheRoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They want to be all originals by 2020. I imagine lots of people would leave
onceiwasnothing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaand back to downloading.
GrumpitySnek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing guy here: Netflix is right, those are not commercials. They aren't really trying to sell you anything...you've already bought and paid for it. Its technically what's known as "Lead Nurturing" based on algorithmic data. You (the lead) are nurtured into keeping your subscription by being recommended other shows which their algorithm has identified as being something you may like. That way you don't get bored and unsubscribe.
A commerical would be showing a clip of a third party product or service which you would then pay another company for.
-PCLOADLETTER- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. It's an advertisement then.
Same annoyance.
Mcflyguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:15 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's only a matter of time.
BOS2FL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:10 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont see a problem with netflixs ads. They arent very intrusive, your next episode will start by itself still, and you can skip it at anytime. Im not so lazy i cant hit the "play next" button. Plus they are just advertising for their own shows. Times are changing and things are getting more expensive to run/produce. I dont blame them
HiCZoK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:00 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watch this shit in the bathtub amwith my phone on the cabinet. I dont want to get up and skip
I_survived_the_ban ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:59 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then opt out?
BOS2FL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get your point. But its what..like 20 seconds? Just saying it could be a lot worse.
uzi5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Obama.
milehigher5280 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Already cancelled my subscription. I wonโt play with that crap.
AbsentGlare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the blowback but it honestly doesnโt seem that bad to me.
All iโve seen is a silent advertisement for the 10 seconds right before it starts the next episode. It was unexpected but i donโt really mind.
zerosumh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix realized they had a problem.
Users: There's too many choices. I dont know what to watch. How do I know there's new shows or even remember?
Netflix: We need to get users to know a new show is coming out and remind them. Lets promote them in between or after!
Users: Fuck Netflix. I am going back to pirating.
I am not saying Netflix is right, but I have to agree that the problem they are trying to address is a bigger issue. Especially when they are shifting to making their own content. You want users to know about the new content you just paid a shit ton for and watch it.
Remember the studios are slowly refusing to sell content to Netflix. In the long term, Netflix wont even be able to buy if they wanted to. Everyone is making their own service. If anything Netflix is copying the way HBO promotes their own shows on their own platform.
punchki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:20 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon prime video already does this :( I hate it. But with these small changes all theyโre really looking for is for it to blow over. Outrage here, outrage there, 4 weeks later no one cares
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:08 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but Amazon Prime is a "throw in" with their Prime service. The total value there between the free shipping and the video is very good. But Netflix, that's a pure video subscription. When I pay for video, I want it ad free. I pay the extra $$ for no commercials on Hulu.
Nicrestrepo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Steaming was never about โ no commercialsโ it was and is about accessibility.
Muscles_McGeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eight years ago: I would gladly pay $80 if I could pick my own cable channels a la carte. I don't want to pay for all these channels I don't watch.
Today: I swear, if this cheap, convenient streaming service with thousands of shows and movies shows me one commercial, I am going to fucking LOSE IT.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's my thought too. So soon we feel entitled to things that didn't exist at all 5 years ago.
Muscles_McGeee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand it. I don't want to pay even $50 for unlimited access to 5 different content providers. Netflix changed all that. But getting this upset over a skippable ad seems pretty silly to me. Just a little perspective.
HSCaribou ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:38:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm ok with the ads. Netflix provides incredible content. Some of the best original series, and they do it for pennies compared to other services. There are other streaming sites, but not ones with their level of phenomenal original content
monsto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:25 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Keep flying that flag of reasonability, homey. Right there with you.
"FUCK NETFLIX AND THEIR RELATED RECOMMENDATIONS DURING THE END CREDITS! I DON'T PAY YOU FOR COMMERCIALS!!"
Goes and watches hulu with it's related recommendations for Crest and Ford before and after everything.
dbcaliman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:33 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Netflix employee. /s
HSCaribou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:25:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol nope. Commercial free just isnโt that big of a deal to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:56 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont have enough hours in the day for ads.
ItWorkedLastTime ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:11 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it pop up and immediately logged into the chat to complain. If that doesn't go away, I am cancelling.
One of the reason I have netflix is to shield my kids from advertising. And the "recommended" show can easily turn into a "product placement" a few years in the future.
I_survived_the_ban ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:21 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is interesting, could you expand on this a bit?
coalcoalcoal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They got me with the auto-playing NSFW trailers. And you can't lock it behind any password protection/user controls, so if you're kids happen to just click over to the non-Kids profile, then they'll get drugs and alcohol and cursing just from the GLOW trailer.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of hope that Netflix and Prime merge, to act as a buffer against every asshole (i.e. Disney) who wants to get on the stream train, further fragmenting the environment into an untenable wasteland. PrimeFlix - it even has a good ring to it.
Moose_Hole ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:44:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, that would reduce their competition and make the result worse.
MedicalMagic420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correct
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 13:07:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulus better now anyways. Nobody has time for movies anymore. We just want to watch Rick and Morty again for the 1000th time.
gunghoun ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 13:24:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Netflix is showing ads but somehow Hulu is better?
Unless something has changed since I unsubscribed, Hulu is absolute garbage about ads. Even with the new Netflix ads, at least they only play between episodes. Hulu interrupts the show with the same 3 ads during a binge.
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 13:26:36 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's now the same price for no ads Hulu and Netflix.
I can watch a 100 things, 100 times on Hulu. Netflix I'm watching 100 really cool things once and then going back to Hulu.
Jesus man just stating facts. Nobody's watching season 2 episode 3 of Luke Cage forty times.
Get_Clicked_On ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:50:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check again Hulu is not offering no ads anymore to all regions.
nthn713 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:06:19 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My Hulu is only partially as free. No Iโm show interruptions, but generally 3-4 ads between shows. Super annoying
h0nest_Bender ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:50 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu doesn't offer a no ads tier at all.
Their "no ads" tier still has ads on a small number of shows.
Get_Clicked_On ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:26 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They used too, and as long as you kept up with payment you got to keep it. I changed to HuluTV so I lost it.
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sucks. I still have no ads so until I see em, I'm not complaining.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:02:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I like the things on Hulu better. Therefore their service is generally superior."
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:10:32 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
100 things being watched 100 times doesn't mean it's better genius.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then what are you saying? You said that in response to a criticism of Hulu.
If it wasn't to say Hulu is better, then you just randomly spouted your opinion of which one has shows you like better. There's not much on Hulu that I care to see, but I'll happily rewatch the Defenders heroes or the Last Kingdom. Just stating facts.
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. You're either circle jerking Marvel or there isn't anything to watch on Netflix once you're done with all of it's originals.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any idea how many originals Netflix actually has produced? That's not really a limiting factor. Not that it matters, I'll happily watch some of those "100 times." There are also other things on Netflix, the CW super hero shows come to mind. Jericho, a lot of stand up comedy, the office, most recent Disney movies, movies in general, etc.
But I'm getting off topic. I'm not here to shill for Netflix. I'm trying to understand what exactly you like more about Hulu and how you saying their content is better and Netflix doesn't hold your interest the same way isn't you saying that Hulu is better.
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People prefer serialized tv shows over originals. While people are binging those great originals once, they're still prefering old ass tv shows. Top watched shows are still shit like ER, South Park, Bob's Burgers, Family Guy, etc. Netflix no longer has those same tv offerings to help it compete and if it does, it's usually just fragments of the show. (ie. We have the office! But only season 4 5 and 6)
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:50:04 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Meowzahar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:54:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. I've had no ads on Hulu for at least 3 years.
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Meowzahar ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:28 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A few shows may... None of the many shows I've ever watched on it have ever once shown a commercial, and it has been my primary platform for entertainment for 3+ years.
h0nest_Bender ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:44 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So it wasn't bullshit, then.
jupiterkansas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have time for movies.
Rounder057 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:47:39 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This statement with the username is so fucking meta.
l_am_very_sMaRt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:55:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hah I see it now
luckofthesun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm speak for yourself (i guess youโre the autistic virgin demographic?) I would rather get a terminal disease than watch rick and morty once, never mind 100 times. Give me movies any day.
Movies > shitty tv shows
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:02 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to live and die based on what you like.
slipstream808 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean of course they're going to start showing commercials. I don't really understand what the world doesn't get about how much advertising subsidises everything around us in our lives.
Personally I do not own any shares in Netflix but if I have any say in it and I wanted to see the value of my investment go up I would constantly be pushing for commercials on that platform.
LeakySkylight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not ads. It trailers for other shows.
slipstream808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:46 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Internal advertising. Is a good idea.
cmarks8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:08:22 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt mind commercials. Gives me a chance to check reddit and crack wise with my wife.
Sugarblood83 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:06 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay a subscription to avoid commercials.
Ravelcy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:03 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish theyโd stop putting commercials for other movies right before the movie I just paid for in the movie theater. s/
Bill_the_Puma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:34:34 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rudy Giuliani is their new PR man.
ttam281 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get what the big deal is. After a show, they play a clip from another show they think you might like. You don't have to watch it, you can skip it.
Zwolfer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs the problem if theyโre just showing you shows you may want to watch?
MercenaryCow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:24 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I already see them when I'm browsing. What's the point other than to waste my time? I came to Netflix to get away from commercials
pk3um258 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot believe I'm saying this, as someone who used to be the *largest* Netflix fanboy since 2008. But this might legit be the thing that makes me walk away from Netflix.
Not because I'm morally abhorred by commercials. I actually don't mind them with Hulu. But this is a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back situation.
I had this thought the other day, that outside of Stranger Things, I really don't care about Netflix Originals. I tried getting into the Marvel shows, but after Daredevil S1 and Jessica Jones S1, I just have zero interest. There are way too many forgettable movies. I don't care about yet another cheesy drama series with a slight sci-fi spin. The shows that I am watching right now aren't on Netflix. They're on Hulu and HBO.
I know this is one anecdote, but I wonder if this resonates with anyone out there.
Im_scared_of_my_wife ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:29 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to play devils advocate here. Are they really that bad? So they show you other shows Netflix spent money on to make. Maybe you will find something new? I have to go to the Netflix subs looking for new shows to watch. Also, they have wasted space between episodes of the show your watching, so they are just utilizing that time.
But for me... All I've seen is shows in other languages. I don't watch shows in Spanish or Chinese so... So far that's a no for me dog.
Adrian_F ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:23 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They donโt show ads. They show trailers for other Netflix shows.
FireOccator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:25:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Netflix.
nicklebackstreetboys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:28:37 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sorry, am I the only person who is actually kinda okay with this? I have a bad habit of watching the same stuff over and over even though I would like to try new shows. I hate cable commercials because theyโre for random products Iโll never want or need, and theyโre just made so stupidly. But I donโt hate seeing relevant advertising. Itโs not like Netflix is running ads for Pizza Hut and Toyota. Idk guys Netflix is still better than cable or Hulu, which are services you basically pay to show you ads.
ThrashMutant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:34:40 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like they have anything worth watching anyway. Netflix sucks.
livewelldellydo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:36:05 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Call them and let them know 1) Yeah they are ads and 2) You want them to stop or you're going to cancel.
1-866-579-7172
ReaganCheese4all ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:39:49 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard HBO does the same thing. The horror!
therinlahhan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:13 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some 45% of millennials sharing passwords I guess they think they need some way to monetize the people who are getting the content for free.
jib661 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:54 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's an uncomfortable truth, you guys:
The paltry amount you've been paying per month for Netflix is pennies compared to what it costs to produce the content that they do and maintain their CDN. They've been purposely operating at a loss in order to gain users.
Cable costs $100+ a month and you still have to deal with commercials. your $11 for netflix doesn't cover their expenses, and it never has.
truexjr2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More uncomfortable truth, DISHNETWORK hopper. Record watch later SKIP COMMERCIALS!
Free OTA over the air networks, build/buy a dvr, record watch later SKIP COMMERCIALS!
Find pirated version on the web, COMMERCIALS REMOVED or SKIP COMMERCIALS!
Not really my problem, or business plan. We look for alternatives, and they get even less.
jib661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well, if you are butthurt by commercials, it is your problem.
There are so many flash-in-the-pan tech companies that spring up and offer the world, and people are so quick to assume that because something is priced a certain way, that it must be valued at that cost.
There's a startup in SF called mealpal that has promotional deals that get you lunch at restaurants in the city for $1-2. obviously it's not sustainable, but of course...when prices eventually increase, people get upset.
tech companies hemmorage money while in a growth state, then they hope that enough users stay when the pricing model changes. this has been happening forever, and the fact that people are still surprised by it is baffling to me.
black_rights_niBBa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:09:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit the heck down u flapper
Nevermindever ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:01:58 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it some kind of product placement in the movie? I think it's rare to get a good film without those
Cantfirmed ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:27:31 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you even read the article?
Nevermindever ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:44:12 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too busy watching Netflix, sorry,
Ghuapo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:45 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix will die. They are on the best way to the graveyard and since 6-12 months its hars to find good series and movies you dont already know. So adding advertisement wont help them gettin their shit together
Pg68XN9bcO5nim1v ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:38:38 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... because you don't like it or what? Reality is that Netflix is still getting more popular every month, not less.
Unless you mean die 'some day', because yeah, nothing lasts forever.
Ghuapo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:40:11 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. It will die. I didnt say within the next 1-2 years but talkin like 4-5. No reason to get mad just because you are a Netflix fanboy. I don't know why you fight for Netflix with your life, but you can watch series on other platforms too, or even turn the fucking TV /phone off and do something different. Try it one day, helps your madness.
Netflix will only stand the test of time if they drop GOOD Netflix Originals CONSTANTLY, like a good season every month for at least 1 series. Or maybe even in a2-3 month span. Because thats the only reason to have Netflix right now. You can watch the exact same series and movies ( and even more) on a bunch of other streaming platforms who DON'T use advertisements and have a larger variety of good movies and series. So either people like their netflix originals really much or they are too dumb/lazy to go for something better. But now that im saying it, maybe youre right. Cause most people are dumb and lazy and wont do shit if they dont really HAVE to.
But you know what? You just keep on paying Netflix and have a good life, i dont have the nerves to deal with your bullshit
Pg68XN9bcO5nim1v ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:29 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dummy I don't even subscribe to Netflix, just looked up the statistics real quick which showed it still gains subscribers, which is the only thing I stated.
So I wasn't mad, not a fanboy, not fighting for it. Laughing my ass off right now though. That's a lot of projections and assumptions there.
I have little opinion about Netflix, they offer very few shows in my country so it isn't worth it to me.
Ghuapo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:36 on August 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah so whats ur point then? Statistics dont say shit. Just because Bitcoins were on a boom doesnt mean they will have much value in the future, same goes for everything else in life. But im glad i made you laugh. Peace
Caravaggio_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:07 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A bunch of whiny little overreacting bitches in this thread. If they had real commercials in the middle of the movie or show that would be another story. This is just promoting a show at the end. Something HBO, Showtime, Amazon Prime already do.
490n3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:30 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial means buying and selling. In the context of TV its short for commercial advertising. Netflix isn't trying to sell you something (you already own it). They are trying to help you discover shows. If you opt out then fine, but let's be clear there is a massive difference between them showing trailers for shows you might be interested in and trying to flog you the latest Ford.
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itseasy123 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:16 on August 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought I would see this day. I honestly believed that Netflix would rather die with honor, and go down with the ship. I guess you really do either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.