Dating Down

๐ŸŽ™๏ธ quaxon ยท 2955 points ยท Posted at 09:12:11 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)


KoaliaBear ยท 1350 points ยท Posted at 09:24:48 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

"I'm white, you're black... ...Nice job playing the race card"

WHAT lol. Her response was on point tho.

Filipksd ยท 616 points ยท Posted at 11:26:25 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You pointed out that I was racist? Nice job playing the race card

[deleted] ยท 316 points ยท Posted at 14:23:16 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

DAE pointing out racism is the real racism?

[deleted] ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 12:56:30 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

No joke. "Racist" is like nigger to a white person.

_Anal_Juices_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:55 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

did you lose your /s?

[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

No. White people get defensive and denial as fuck when you suggest theyre being racist.

_Anal_Juices_ ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:49:07 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

oh yeah I read it wrong the first time, sorry

[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:51:33 on July 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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ChubbyMonkeyX ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:53:23 on August 10, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 23:25:24 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You thought I was being racist? How could you think that?? Unless of course.. you're the racist ;)

[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:20:56 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

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youlleatitandlikeit ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 06:01:00 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

This comment is similar to like 99% of all posts on Reddit: "You know who the real racists are? Black people."

[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:02:09 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

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Aerik ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 06:26:34 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

reddit in a nutshell, really. everybody who calls another person "SJW", absolutely.

AMasonJar ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:56:11 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

If someone's yelling about a "SJW" it's usually just whining.

Canadia86 ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 15:54:50 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Why is everything about race with you blacks?

FaZe_Clon ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:35:29 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I wish girls were like chess...

[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:12:51 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

rancid pawn

[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:36:15 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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Gold_Skies ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:42:20 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Blacked

DasWraithist ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 19:42:43 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Having dated a black girl who showed me her OKC inbox, I'm am no longer shocked (though still very disgusted) by how many white guys want some sort of extra credit for being willing to date a black girl.

KoaliaBear ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 19:50:17 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Good god that is horrible. If anyone wanted a cookie for dating me I'd serve em up a knuckle sandwich instead. It saddens me to hear that people have to put up with that.

AMasonJar ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 12:57:21 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Hey, the fifties called, they want their sandwiches back.

Fracter ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:11:30 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I heard knuckle sandwiches taste really good.

AMasonJar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:14:34 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'll try one when I get home.

KoaliaBear ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:26:59 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'll fix one up for ya xD

AMasonJar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:29:18 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

With mayo.

[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:19:02 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I am mostly white and 1/4 Asian. I honestly just look like a squinty white girl.

You can find out I'm part Chinese after the first date. I do not want to be your special ethnic treat.

aqueezy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:52:13 on July 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

... Emma stone??

riggorous ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:07:03 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Check out OkCupid's data service too. Black women get by a wide margin the lowest number of messages.

Fr33Paco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:15:27 on September 30, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Which is retarded because I date almost exclusively black women but never get matched up with them. Which is totally weird.

thelizardkin ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 18:36:10 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

that being said black women also have the highest rates of obesity

ManWithDominantClaw ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Her response was on fleeq tho.

FTFY

Wawlf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:41:11 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

No.

[deleted] ยท 356 points ยท Posted at 12:17:51 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

Good day, m'lady!

Doffs fedora with a flourish.

I have decided, in my supreme altruism, to extend to you an invitation. Adjourn with me to the basement portion of my ancestral home, where our act of love shall (my considerable pannus having been shifted aside) result in the creation of a Negro-Caucasoid baby to accompany you the rest of your days.

babykittiesyay ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 14:04:30 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Dear lord, I gagged.

...

Have an upvote.

ReceptionistMouse ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:50:27 on June 11, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Did you 9gag?

[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:51:39 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

my ancestral home

hehehheh

AMasonJar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:01:07 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

His family has lived there for generations.

elyl ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:17:57 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Now THAT is good.

fallschirmjaeger ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:58:20 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Panus?! That's a fungus!

[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:53:20 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

OK, I did some research. It's "pannus" (two Ns) or "panniculus".

http://www.empowher.com/skin-hair-nails/content/fupa-pannus-panniculus-what

fallschirmjaeger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:41 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

That definition made me feel sick. Thanks!

[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:56 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I love the grading system. It reminds me of the Bristol Stool Scale, which is a pretty detailed medical system for categorizing shit.

LynnyLee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:05 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

Huh. I'd only heard panniculus used to refer to the loose, leftover tissue that hangs off a woman's belly shortly after she gives birth.

I guess it would make sense that the term could be applied more generically than that though.

[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:30:36 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeah, I read somewhere that it's a very general term. My dentist used "panniculus" to refer to the flap of skin around an impacted molar. Wherever it may be, and whatever its etiology, a flap is almost never a good thing.

[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:00 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I thought it was a floppy belly. I think pediculum is another term for what I meant..?

AnotherAllusion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:41 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

lmao

[deleted] ยท 625 points ยท Posted at 09:31:17 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

She has a very good point...even Quasimodo had a damn job.

Lachwen ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 10:04:52 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

even Quasimodo had a damn job.

I'm saving this for furture neckbeard run-ins.

SeventhMode ยท 270 points ยท Posted at 21:38:01 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Quasimodo was genuinely nice guy. "Don't want to date me? I understand. My lifestyle is pretty weird. Want help getting with this other guy? You really seem to like him."

halfar ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 05:58:59 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

"that priest seems pretty rapey. want me to keep an eye on him?"

starspider ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:28:03 on April 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Ditto

I-Do-Doodles ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:20:01 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

She shot him down like an enemy plane.

iaacp ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:23:12 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Damn. I'm keeping this.

Hatemonkey ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 10:56:51 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

OH BURN!

hugepenis ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 11:44:22 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Lol, I literally lol'd on the train.

musubk ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:36:53 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

'I lol'd, lol'

hugepenis ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:38:49 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Lol

delta_baryon ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 11:58:03 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Huh, I always thought it was Quasimoto. Damn American accents...

sickduck22 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:59:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I always wonder how non-Americans compensate for sounds from American accents.

Where are you from?

The only thing I can compare this to is that it seems like British people don't pronounce their R's as much, so my brain compensates... if I hear "Mali" said in a British accent without context, my brain interprets it as "Marley." Just used to compensating, I guess.

delta_baryon ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:29:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

South-eastern England, I pronounce Mali and Marley identically.

Normally you figure it out. We have a wider variety of accents than in America. It's not uncommon for some jokes to only work in certain accents.

I'm great at fishing, in fact I'm a master baiter.

That pun works in North America, New Zealand, Ireland, Scotland, Wales (I think), South-western England, the Midlands and the North. It doesn't work in where I live though.

Also, my parents are Scottish and in Scotland a child is a bairn. When I was little I thought Baloo the bear was singing about the Bairn Necessities.

[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:21:47 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

We have a wider variety of accents than in America.

Not quite, we actually have a very wide array of accents, they're just subtler to foreign ears. An American can tell who's the Boston guy and who's the New York guy easily, whereas they sound identical to a foreigner. However, Americans can hear a Liverpool accent versus a London accent and right away recognize a difference, even if they don't know how to identify an accent to a region.

_Anal_Juices_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:12 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

wait how do you pronounce masturbator in your accent?

delta_baryon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:17 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

With a short a, as in ant. Master is pronounced with a long a as in Mali or Marley (the r in Marley isn't pronounced for me). In fact, it's probably the same as for most Americans, except the t is a genuine t and not a d.

[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:19:15 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
RadiantSun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:41:30 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

In Counter Strike, my friends and I refer to a guy standing at the edge of Moto Pit but not quite in it "quasimoto" on de_inferno.

[deleted] ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 10:26:29 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

WOW. Fucking WOW. "Aren't I nice for being willing to date subhuman scum like you?" How does your logic get that fucked up?

sketchesofspain01 ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 10:36:01 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

The red pill.

[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 13:08:58 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 13:42:56 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

It had a lot to do with race. Terpers routinely discuss how to manipulate different races differently, discuss which are easiest, which give more or less value. Very much about race.

sketchesofspain01 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 13:27:10 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Many Terpers do talk about black women being beneath them. I don't have quotes at the moment, but you can see the dog whistle racism on occasion.

041744 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 15:25:05 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

They also say white women are 'ruined' after being with a black guy

BaadKitteh ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:24:17 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

And how they should go try to find partners in places like Taiwan and the Philippines because they're "docile and submissive".

sketchesofspain01 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:30:55 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

But they're a self-help humanist group!!!!!!!!!!

gigaquack ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:09:57 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Actually it's about ethics in dating journalism

[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:31:35 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:01:59 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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OrderedFromZanzibar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:46 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Gamergate, as their deal is "ethics in video game journalism."

sketchesofspain01 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:24:52 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I love this sub.

scnavi ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:31:24 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Oh thank god, now I don't have to worry about any of them trying to have sex with me.

[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:17 on July 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Terper? Even urban dictionary isn't helping me with that one.

OnionOnYourBelt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:58:08 on July 30, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I think it means The Red Pill. When you say TRP out loud as if it were a word and not an acronym, it sounder like Terp. A Terper would be T(he)R(ed)P(ill)er, someone who follows the Red Pill belief.

At least, that is what I thought it was? Don't fire me - I'm new here!

jordansideas ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:46:23 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

you're all over this thread. TRP is like the Scientology of reddit.

elyl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:09 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What is GamerGate then?

304NotFound ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:18:02 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Their version of a legal team?

bigDean636 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:31:58 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

There is a HUGE overlap between TRP/MensRights/WhiteRights though.

mango-roller ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:27 on April 18, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Motherfucker is probably autistic.

GeorgeTheCynic ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 12:54:23 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

Mother fucker you don't have the ability to "date down". You're as low as it goes

Dayum

sum_devil ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:12:25 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Rekt

agbullet ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 16:51:56 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I read that in a sassy black female voice.

TaylerMykel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:18 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

sassy black female voice

Way to stereotype.

agbullet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:56 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Meh. Is it even a negative stereotype?

[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:29 on September 9, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

All stereotypes are negative.

awhaling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:24 on October 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Well that's just not true.

waffletoast ยท 470 points ยท Posted at 10:16:44 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Damn she laid his whole life out. But it's really fucked up that he was like, "no one likes black women so surely she'll like me even if I treat her like shit!" Who taught him this? Who told him this would be okay?

monster-baiter ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 12:45:35 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

probably read that OKC study where they found that black women get the least male attention/responses in online dating out of all ethnicities and white men are apparently the most popular. no reason to feel superior though, especially if you're a racist asshole like that guy.

tsukinon ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 11:00:31 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Society to some extent. You see black men dating white women way more than you see white men dating black women because society has some really screwed up and racist values that can devalue black women. Basically, he thought his whiteness was such a prize to bring to the relationship that he felt that the OP should be grateful enough to ignore his negative traits.

I mean, the guy is disgusting, but his attitude didn't happen in a vacuum. It was reinforced by parts of our society.

waffletoast ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 11:03:28 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Sigh. I already knew this was the answer, but I wanted someone else to say it.

I was just in a giant thread with a discussion about this in a black sub, and it got messy

[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:01 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What was the thread?

IrbyTremor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:10 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

(Was it Fellas?)

waffletoast ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:08:57 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yea :/ like recently there was even a guy there saying we were "fake" black women.

IrbyTremor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:47 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Why am I not shocked. Fellas has been a little Satomayor fanclub for about 6 months now. Got good, solid reasons not to fuck around in there anymore. Shame, it used to be chill.

waffletoast ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:06 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yea, I feel really torn because I want to be involved but for like a week I've been having to defend black women. I think there are a lot of whiny young guys there too who are bitter because girls don't like them or black women don't want a black "king" or some bs like that. I dunno, I am really starting to think a lot of men are just a hot mess...our at least the ones most vocal online, haha

IrbyTremor ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:21:38 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

See it cracks me up because Blackladies very rarely mentions Blackfellas and when someone does its always held back because nobody wants to beef. I just stopped into YOUKNOWHERE and Fellas and all I see are "They arent really black, whitewashed, picking on black men, low self worth, hypocrites, ratchet, negative"

And its amazing because per post, the negativity, misogynoir and bitterness is almost squarely in Fellas--- but thanks to hypercritical bullshit against Black women we're the bad guys. Its kinda funny.

Fuck em, let them whine. That populace is way too bitter for me and I'd rather get on about current events and whatever Janelle Monae's hair is doing instead of sneering at what some fuckboy is gonna say about us next.

They can gargle Satomayor's balls all they want. Fuck it.

waffletoast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:14 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Buahaha. I agree with all of this

[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 11:46:28 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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KhalmiNatty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:19 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Great comment, but man, I'd be lying if I didn't pause after I read this

"As a white man planning on having kids with his black"

I couldn't even make it to the next word without thinking "holy shit"

mango-roller ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:44:28 on April 18, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Uhhhhhhhh, why?

TheRisenOsiris ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:35:58 on April 19, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Objectification.

mango-roller ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:37:48 on April 19, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What would have been a better way of putting that first sentence?

TheRisenOsiris ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:22 on April 19, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I'm just pointing out what the other guy saw.

[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:18:27 on April 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Bingo. All these people here exclaiming, "Ugh, that guy is disgusting!" should also examine their own attitudes because I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of them secretly have a "Well, I just don't find <insert race> attractive."

TotesMessenger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:24:43 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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trasofsunnyvale ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 14:34:32 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

has some really screwed up and racist values that can devalue black women

I think that's just true for black people in general. I don't think there's any group valued less from an institutional standpoint in the US than black men.

Edit: here is some data to support this:

StarfireGirl ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:24:41 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Black women honestly. I mean, culturally we have issues with women and black people. So black women get both of those issues. I suspect lesbian and trans black women have it worse again.

sickduck22 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 18:02:19 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeah, black women have it AWFUL.

If you have a white single mom working at McDonalds, times are tough, hard luck, she slipped through the cracks, this is why welfare and food stamps exist, etc.

If there's a black single mom working at McDonald's, people will see that VERY differently. Welfare queen, irresponsible, too lazy to get an education, etc. There's no escape.

[deleted] ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 11:12:19 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I see white single mothers as equally pathetic. As they're adopting black culture.

Logseman ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:55:35 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Misogynoir is the name of the game.

newheart_restart ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:37:38 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Black and Latina women are both worse off.

trasofsunnyvale ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 19:41:43 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I mean, I see what you're saying logically, but the data does not support that (in the United States, that is):

Again, I understand your logic--black women are minorities twice over. But this shows just how devalued and institutionally marginalized black men are in the United States. Frankly, the metrics for "success" are far more in favor of black women than black men.

StarfireGirl ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:59:29 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Your points are valid, but your argument is biased. These are all things that men do worse in anyway - its irrelevent almost that they are black. You also fail to mention important issues like daycare and family planning access which heavily effect a women's ability to have independence, or about societal beauty standards being very against black women.

trasofsunnyvale ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:00:56 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

It isn't really important why the quality of life is worse for black men than black women, is it? Were we talking about that? You were stating that black women had it harder, as they bear the brunt of being marginalized twice. Unfortunately, you have no data to show this actually affects their lives anywhere near the level of just being black, let alone being a black male.

Societal beauty standards and daycare and family planning access are real struggles for women, and I imagine especially black women. But how can you compare that incarceration, equal pay and literacy rates? Those are nothing compared to those massive areas.

And how is my argument biased? Do you think the metrics I've chosen are not impactful? Also, I'd challenge you to point to any of those above metrics and show me how race is irrelevant.

riggorous ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:55:34 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Here's a breakdown of sources on various areas of life where black women are empirically shown to be more discriminated against than black men:

Dating: OkTrends on race and attraction. Note that both black men and black women are rated mostly negatively, but black women are negatively rated by all groups of men, and to a much greater extend than black men

Employment: this is an aol.com stub on a report by the Census Bureau, which shows that Black women and Hispanic men earn the least premium on college degrees - specifically to your question, educated Black men earn significantly more money than Black women with the same education

Salary: "The average salary for white males is highest at $68,400, followed by minority males at $64,000 and both female groups at $54,300."

A potpourri of things: finds that, whereas more black women enroll in college than men, they still lag behind black men wage-wise. Black women are the fastest-growing prison population in the US. 72% of Black children are raised in households headed by women.

In short, whilst it's true that black women are incarcerated less frequently than black men (this is true across racial lines - a full 93% of the prison population is male), that nevertheless does not say anything about the remaining bouquet of social injustices, which are suffered disproportionately more by black women. Black women are paid less than black men, have less prestigious jobs than black men, are considered more socially inferior than black men, and are disproportionately saddled with unpaid household labor, such as raising children. I particularly would like to point out that, whilst it's stupid to compare daycare and incarceration, it's not because one is worse than the other: by daycare people mean that many daily tasks performed mostly by women on top of their day jobs, such as cooking, cleaning, looking after the kids, are unpaid when they are in fact semi-skilled labor. Being unpaid, these women go unappreciated by the economy and their rights are not legally protected. This is actually a serious problem, both from a social and an economic standpoint.

Also, I'd challenge you to point to any of those above metrics and show me how race is irrelevant.

I would further mention that, in an environment where virtually the only way for a woman to have social value is to conform to society's beauty standards, the hardships experienced by a woman who doesn't are not in the least trivial.

I'm not sure you're understanding /u/StarfireGirl 's criticism. They're not saying race is irrelevant; they're saying that race and gender are additive privileges.

StarfireGirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Beautifully put, thank you for that.

seastar11 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:36:38 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

An interesting point, but we must remember that black women not only face racism, but sexism as well. Additionally, the racism they face is often sexualized, while the sexism they face is often racialized.

I would argue the least valued demographic would not be black men, but trans women of color.

trasofsunnyvale ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:59:44 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Fair logical point, but the data I posted in response to someone else below shows that, in those major, but limited metrics, the dual racism and sexism for black women simply doesn't produce as much harm for that demographic as black men suffer in the US.

StraightTalkAdvice ยท -45 points ยท Posted at 12:51:19 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

You're right about what happens (black women being rated lower than others) but your explanation of why is pure guesswork.

See this http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

TLDR: men find black women least attractive. women find asian men least attractive. Them's the facts.

EDIT: for the illiterate oversensitive retards - yes, everyone would like to have sex with beyonce and jet lee. Learn the meanings of 'average' and 'outlier'.

tsukinon ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 13:57:54 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

And you don't think that historical and cultural attitudes regarding beauty are the reasons for these preferences? What about black men who won't date dark women? I understand that you're putting together data and learning what you can from that, but you also have to look at the history of black women and the restrictions that were placed on them the to be considered "beautiful."

It's not that black women are less attractive than white, Latina, or Asian women. It's just that we want to dump a lot of baggage on the while they're just out trying to live their life.

StraightTalkAdvice ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 14:07:38 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

And you don't think that historical and cultural attitudes regarding beauty are the reasons for these preferences

I'm of the opinion that attraction is biological and immutable. You can't be tricked into liking or disliking someone sexually.

you also have to look at the history of black women and the restrictions that were placed on them the to be considered "beautiful."

Not sure what you're saying here, but I'd like to know. Please elaborate.

It's not that black women are less attractive than white, Latina, or Asian women.

If less people find you attractive, you're less attractive. That's what the word means.

Grammatical_Aneurysm ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 14:55:09 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'm of the opinion that attraction is biological and immutable.

This sentence is probably the reason you are being downvoted- not sure why no one is engaging the discussion, though. (tsukinon may be crafting a response right now, but idk.)

The thing is, what I find attractive has absolutely changed over time, and has been affected by outside forces in my life. (The way people who were kind to me looked, the way people who were mean to me looked, what became more common in my life vs. what became less common. My interests and the appearance of characters in fiction that I love. So on and so on.)

There's a basic template that you have to come close to in order to be attractive, sure. But there's a vast array of what different people find beautiful. It varies from person to person. It's such a subjective thing that treating it objectively is nonsensical.

Which makes

If less people find you attractive, you're less attractive. That's what the word means.

sound sort of silly. If a majority of people find you less attractive then maybe you are less attractive. But it's probably not that you're biologically unattractive. What the people in this sub are saying is that there's a social history that black women have where the culture around them decided that they were less attractive.

If you ask someone why they don't find black women attractive, for example, you'll probably get some pretty stereotypical responses. Instead of, "They have big lips and big noses and the color of their skin is a turn off for me," (physical traits), you'll get, "They're loud and bossy and angry. They aren't soft and don't let men treat them right." That sort of thing. And that's the kind of thing you can't really determine until you talk to the person.

Check out this wiki for more.

riggorous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:43 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

not sure why no one is engaging the discussion

Because we're tired of these trolls.

Grammatical_Aneurysm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:58 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Fair enough. I just like to assume people haven't thought of things from another perspective yet. And he never really responded to me, so no tellin'.

riggorous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:31 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'm not sure that's possible for anyone who doesn't live under a rock.

Grammatical_Aneurysm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:26 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'm sorry?

riggorous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:35 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Never having your blatantly racist attitudes such as "black people are unattractive because they are black" questioned is not possible for anyone who doesn't live under a rock.

With caveats. But I'm assuming bro lives in a western country and has access to the internet.

Grammatical_Aneurysm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:48 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Ah. I figure there's a difference between having your views questions and thinking of your views from another perspective. There's always the chance that the people around him just let him say stupid things, or lashed out in response instead of showing him why they thought he was being dumb. I mean, "I'm not racist, but..." is a pretty common statement here in the west! Even on the internet.

This is just a sub where that sort of shit don't fly. I dunno.

That, or maybe he does live under a rock. I think engaging in the discussion in a polite way is probably the best way to handle this sort of thing. Otherwise he'll just get buttmad about the downvotes and go complain about SJWs somewhere else.

Not a huge deal either way.

riggorous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:42 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Well, either you're incredibly easy-going or you're new to the internet (and, haha, certainly to niceguys). Good luck and I hope you don't get jaded too soon :)

Grammatical_Aneurysm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:04 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I've been around a while. I'm fairly new to the sub, but I've been on subs like it. I have my easy-going days and my sick-of-the-bullshit days. I don't think this subreddit will jade me any more than the entirety of reddit already has.

hithazel ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:34:29 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'm of the opinion that attraction is biological and immutable. You can't be tricked into liking or disliking someone sexually.

This was the sexual ideal during the start of Western civilization: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Belvedere_Apollo_Pio-Clementino_Inv1015.jpg

Not for women. For men. Guys wanted to hit that.

samof ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:54:55 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I can't remember what time period but weren't chubby and overweight women seen as the ideal beauty at some point? I think it was because it was seen as healthy from the perspective of the peasants as they were often malnourished and very thin.

StraightTalkAdvice ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:22:14 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Tall, fit muscular man with thick hair and a strong jaw attractive? Say it ain't so.

hithazel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:42:06 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

The features most valued during that time are generally described as those of pubescent boys and ideally you and your partner were having gay sex but hey keep on projecting!

concise_dictionary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:51 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I believe the ancient Greeks thought small penises were much more attractive than large ones.

BaadKitteh ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:18:08 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Muh biotrufs!

stealthbadger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:55:00 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You can't be tricked into liking or disliking someone sexually.

So I guess beer goggles, crotch/bra stuffing, and makeup aren't things?

StraightTalkAdvice ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:18 on April 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

That's mimicking what you find attractive, not changing it. How you managed to get confused on such an obvious point and still have the wherewithal to use a keyboard is beyond me.

stealthbadger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:42:41 on April 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

/r/iamverysmart

Have a nice day.

seastar11 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:38:47 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

for the illiterate oversensitive retards

Wow dude. If they didn't already downvote you..

SammDogg619 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:32:15 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

TLDR: men find black women least attractive. women find asian men least attractive. Them's the facts.

EDIT: for the illiterate oversensitive retards - yes, everyone would like to have sex with beyonce and jet lee. Learn the meanings of 'average' and 'outlier'.

GAIZ WHEN I SAID FACTS I DIDN'T ACTUALLY MEAN THEY WERE TRUE!!!1!

StraightTalkAdvice ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:56 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

They are true you imbecile, see the link.

H3xH4x ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 11:06:53 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Wow, really? I've always wanted to meet /get with a black chick, but there are none in my circles of friends unfortunately. Never knew this was a thing?

[deleted] ยท -82 points ยท Posted at 12:21:41 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I actually find that most black women are so hung up on finding a unicorn, i.e. a decent black man who actually wants a black woman, that they end up short-changing white men. I hate to generalize, but there is a pattern there.

TWCflorkin ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 12:37:05 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You uhhh...

... What are you trying to say by that? There are tons of black men who are great and like black women. They're not unicorns by any stretch of the imagination. I'm kinda just hoping that you don't mean it the way it sounds...

blackgold161 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 12:42:16 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Well he did say he was generalizing.

TWCflorkin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:43:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeeeesh, that's not what I was trying to hear...

[deleted] ยท -46 points ยท Posted at 13:14:03 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

OK. Something like a third of black men in the USA are in jail or on probation or parole. A big portion of the remainder do prefer white women. Do you really think it's easy to find an unattached black man who supports himself, doesn't already have a bunch of kids, etc.?

BaadKitteh ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:21:54 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeah, and none of that has to do with systematic racism and oppression resulting in greater criminal penalties for minorities, along with classism that unduly discriminates against lower incomes- obviously some races are just criminally inclined. /S

[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 16:35:27 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I didn't say anything about the cause of anything. I'm not making a value judgment here.

eucalyptusqueen ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:25:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yes. There are plenty, my bf is one of them. And I meet them all the time on my college campus, so I gotta assume there are plenty more on other campuses, particularly HBCUs. Jesus kid, quit stereotyping so hard. It makes you look stupid.

E: and I'm not implying you can only meet desirable black men in college, they are everywhere. I just happen to meet a lot on campus bc I'm a TA/student

[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:41:14 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Thank you, eucalyptusqueen. I met my wife at college, and I guess that things haven't changed that much since then. :)

TWCflorkin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:02:25 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

being that i am one and know a literal ton of them, YES. YES THE FUCK I DO.

cronidollars ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 13:23:01 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Not PC, but has valid points.

[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I actually think a lot of what I said is pretty widely acknowledged, outside of Reddit. I think your typical Redditor has this mental picture of the world in which race and gender are basically bullshit. People in general realize that's not the case. Black women really do have it rough in a lot of ways. I don't blame them for looking to black men first in the dating pool, either, I just acknowledge it as a fact.

IrbyTremor ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:51:58 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

The fuck?!

FistofanAngryGoddess ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:47:59 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I know, right?

waffletoast ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:04:35 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I am always really uncomfortable and really confused whenever white people start talking about black relationships...lol

IrbyTremor ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:40:49 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

With good reason. Its always some incredibly racist, out of touch was of assumptions and secondhand embarrassment like above

[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:58 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What relationship?

sketchesofspain01 ยท 334 points ยท Posted at 10:35:47 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

The red pill

waffletoast ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 10:38:20 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

AKA The Lonely White Boys Club

[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:48 on July 30, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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[deleted] ยท -103 points ยท Posted at 13:26:51 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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[deleted] ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 13:59:09 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*

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pretzelzetzel ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 16:50:54 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I think they actually do perpetrate a great deal of rape.

AMasonJar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:03:10 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

"I'M BEING AN ALPHA AND CONTROLLING YOU. WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ME?!"

[deleted] ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 14:55:52 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I fuck my right hand often. Does that make me a red piller? Pillar? I just forgot how to English.

Grammatical_Aneurysm ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 14:45:21 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Bro I think you missed the part that this guy was trying to manipulate OP into dating (probably sexing) him despite her race.

Redpill fits.

jimyyyy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:41:13 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Forgot the "/s"?

heya_corknut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:26 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yep /s works

[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:33:55 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

how DARE u

ey_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:17 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I recall seeing an analysis OKCupid did on their own site that noted response rates based on all sorts of demographics. For race-related demographics, black women received the lowest response rate to messages and white men received the highest response rate to messages, respective of their genders. (Asian women received the highest for women, Asian men received the lowest for men.)

So while this guy is spewing racism, there is evidence out there that black women are less desirable comparative to women of other races. I'm not justifying his bit and saying it's okay - just saying that... he's not making it up.

Granted, OKCupid ain't real life but I'm not so sure I've seen as many WMBF interracial couples as I've had BMWF ones so... or confirmation bias, who knows?

eucalyptusqueen ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:46:08 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Confirmation bias is there for sure, but a big part of the problem is that black women are stereotyped to death. Can't tell you how many times people are legitimately shocked when I say I'm in grad school, am childless, and have a stable relationship. I also get "oh you speak so well " comments all the time. Like how else am I supposed to speak?

Anyway, all of these assumptions, plus many others, have lead people to view black women in a certain negative light and think we're "less desirable." Honestly, it's just not true. I think I am beautiful and desirable and get told as much all the time by men and women of all races and ethnicities. Also I'm dating a gorgeous black/Hispanic man and he doesn't prefer white women.

ey_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:07:38 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

So I'm an Asian man. We're supposed to be all sorts of inadequate - from our lack of social skills to our tiny penises. Now I haven't seen many other men's penises, but I'll say nine times out of ten, Asian men are seemingly more awkward and shy than men of other races.

Maybe I'm an outlier. Maybe you're an outlier. But that doesn't make some stereotypes true for enough of our peers that people simply don't feel like playing the odds on us. If we're just a picture and a one-liner, rest assured the judgements will be based on looks alone.

Ho hum. That's life.

eucalyptusqueen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:34:51 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I wouldn't say Asian men are more awkward/shy if I thought about it for 2 seconds and didn't just rely on tropes to pass judgement. I live in a pretty mixed neighborhood in a major city and it is full of Asians from all over and they're just like anyone else. I ride the bus/subway with Asian guys going to high school practically everyday and they act just like the rest of their peers. I meet Asian guys on campus constantly and they're just like other white, black, Hispanic, etc dudes in college.

I know that this is all anecdotal evidence based on personal experience, but I think if people just thought about things for half a second instead of just making assumptions based on tropes a lot less stereotyping would occur. People of a particular race/ethnicity are not a monolith and it's just stupid to assume anything based on that. You and I are needlessly and endlessly considered less desirable and less datable for no real reason; certain traits are just expected of us when they're not necessarily true.

pretzelzetzel ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:22 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

White man / Asian woman confirmed for sexiest couple. East Asian, though, of course. We don't allow those South- or Southeast Asians in here.

Asian man / Black woman confirmed for rarest?

ey_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:49 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I dunno about sexiest. I'm pretty fuckin' sexy.

pretzelzetzel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:10:16 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Are you a couple?

DownvoterAccount ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:44:43 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

In terms of weight I am.

[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:27 on April 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Exactly. The perpetrator's biggest crime here was simply rudely saying what most people already think anyway. Let's not be self-righteous and smug.

Mintilina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:42 on September 2, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What the fuck is wrong with you? Holy fucking shit.

ey_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:29 on April 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Unfortunately, they can't hear us from up on their high horse.

usobitter ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 11:28:44 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yep, that's pretty much my experience of dating while black. Guys seem to think they're doing me a favor by being interested in me and it's unreasonable that a black person would dare have standards.

UndergroundLurker ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 12:41:18 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Okay, let's set the rascism aside for one second because I recognize there are both black and white women "above" me (attractiveness-wise) in similar proportions demographically.

Soooooo...the fuck? Who dates someone as a favor? I always looked for interesting women with whom I could find a connection and build some sexual tension with. Once I got interested, I had to show that I was interesting enough to be worth dating. So either I've always dated "up" or these guys are only dating to get laid / check off their imaginary "black chick" checkbox (we can't ignore the rascism after all). In which case who is really doing who the favor for these guys? Assholes are assholes.

[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 12:46:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What you've described is how dating works amongst mature adults, imo. Unfortunately a lot of people (male and female) I think have this idea that the world owes them a relationship/sex without any work having to be done on their part, and therefore if they get denied it results in a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. Take that to its extremes and you get TRP.

UndergroundLurker ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:50:57 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeah that's "niceguys" alright. Except they think that buying a drink or holding a door open is sufficient "work" to cash in for "one sex", please!

304NotFound ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:19:53 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Or, in this case, just being white.

taitaisanchez ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:32:44 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I have the same problem, but I don't blame my problems on women being bitches or whatever.

No connection? No sexual tension? It's like these guys are sexual teflon.

(sexual teflon is my new band name now)

agbullet ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:51:10 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Who dates someone as a favor?

Lonely, entitled, deluded, and desperate fat fucks who think they're God's gift to womankind.

usobitter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:47 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

People who have massive superiority complexes. They see themselves as a nearly flawless bf or gf and think that showing interest in anyone who isn't seen as the standard form of attractiveness is a sort of charity.

UndergroundLurker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:28 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

If only it had to be massive. It's just people who judge themselves by their intentions and others by their actions.

Nackles ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:39:40 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Lots of guys seem to think dating fat women is "dating down." It's so damned insulting.

UndergroundLurker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:49:47 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Attraction is subjective, meaning there's probably someone out there who can appreciate any given look more than these guys with "pity". If you're not at least a little physically attracted to someone, don't force it. It doesn't make you a better person and you aren't doing anyone any favors, so don't use that as an excuse when you get rejected by said person. We just need to find a way to teach "handling rejection better" in schools.

304NotFound ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:23:16 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I think we just need to teach social interaction period in schools. (The way it is now, kids are just thrown together and expected to become friends--if they even interact at all--but you're not actually taught how to make friends [at least, not from what I've seen].)

I understand that making friends is not the primary function of schools (nor should it be), but it's hard to deny that it is most certainly a part of it. We need to get better at teaching people basic human decency rather than just pounding ideas into their head until they can recite it on a whim.

UndergroundLurker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:37:51 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

To be fair though, if school were just about the academic education (not social) then I would seriously consider home-schooling my future kids. But yes, some intentional social education would be nice in the curriculum. That and personal finance.

Nackles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:48 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I think you're reading into my comment. I only meant exactly what I said--some guys think dating fat women is dating down, which is them suggesting they are somehow better than me, or I am not "good enough." I don't know how anyone would NOT feel insulted by that. If a guy's take is just "I don't happen to find XYZ thing attractive," OTOH, that's his feelings, which are perfectly valid and not my concern. As long as a guy is polite (assuming I was polite to him in the first place, and I generally am), rejection can sting, but I don't get mad at or judge someone for wanting something different than what I'm offering.

I'm not sure where you're getting the "excuse" thing from, though. I've had men flat out tell me they aren't into me specifically because of my size, and I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that at least sometimes that has been the issue even when they haven't said so.

UndergroundLurker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:42:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

My point is against "dating down as a favor to someone". It is absolutely rude, insulting, and spiteful. It's far better to just admit you are incompatible due to preferences/interests without ranking those on some scale. I could never date someone significantly older/younger than me, but that doesn't make me better or worse than them. Up/down doesn't even make sense because there is no single-axis linear ranking of everybody's dateability: we all have good qualities and some flaws.

Being fat does not mean you are undateable. There may (or may not) be less guys interested in dating you, but they are definitely out there. I know fat and skinny ladies / pretty and unconventionally attractive ladies who have been looking but not been on many dates, it doesn't mean anyone is doing them a favor by going out with them. Go out with someone because you both want to, end of story!

So per the original example, let's say you reject someone, and they say they were doing you a favor; that's bullshit on their part. There are other men out there who would find dating you appealing. The rejected person is simplying spitting out the nastiest thing they could think of. Which should say more about their character than anything about you.

Nackles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:17 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I understand now. I thought you were throwing shade at me rather than at the "dating down" people. :)

ddplz ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:20:02 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Dating fat women isn't dating down, its scraping the algea off the ocean floor.

Nackles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:28 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Nice try, dude.

[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:49 on May 28, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

you're a nice guy, we get it.

HurbleBurble ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 09:28:34 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

This is one of the most awful OK Cupid conversations I've ever seen! Dating down? Wtf?

gryts ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:55:10 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

It has to be a troll.

sirmenonot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:13 on September 4, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeah that was show stopping and jaw dropping. I felt that line like bumping my head, i can not believe someone could write that.

aryary ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 10:13:05 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Holy shit that was a satisfying burn. What a dick.

namesflory ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 12:55:55 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

This is shit is unreal. You don't talk to people that way. Who the fuck does he think he is? Thomas Jefferson?

BaadKitteh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:26:39 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

That name was so unexpected that I snorted xD good job

304NotFound ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:10:10 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

TL;DR: "I'm not racist, but white guys aren't gonna date a black girl like you because that would be lowering their standards."

What a worthless piece of shit.

AssCrackBanditHunter ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:38:56 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I remember when those statistics were released that white guys rarely message black women on OKcupid. I remember that was supposed to be a commentary on some internalized racial issues in our dating habits. Looks like this guy took that article and got the complete wrong message from it.

WorstDogEver ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:09:21 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

To the people who think this obviously fake or a troll: As a Filipino who has tried online dating and who's friends with a black woman currently online dating, it definitely does get this bad and worse.

[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:12:47 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Thank you. My best friend is biracial; I'm white (part Asian but look white). I honest to God think we're the same level of attractive, similar backgrounds, etc.

The messages we get are dramatically different. White men generally just try to hook up with her, whereas while I get hookup pitches, I also get offers of dates.

This is... unfortunately very real. Lot of racists on dating sites.

WorstDogEver ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:30:46 on April 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Creepers gonna creep. My creepers were often Asian fetishists looking for a submissive doll. That's fine, easy to ignore. What shocks me still is the outright aggression and unsolicited hostile messages that an attractive black woman in her 20s can get. She doesn't need to say or do anything, they just come out of the blue to insult her, and I don't understand why. We live in the same area, are close to the same age, and were both using the same service for a while.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:51 on September 30, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

This is interesting, I really want to see the kind of messages y'all get. It's hard to imagine how nasty the messages get. I guess it's understandable though because being behind a screen can make you fell 100' tall. It's disgusting.

WorstDogEver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:34 on October 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I deleted my account years ago. The vitriol she gets is surprising even to me. Our experiences are partly why I roll my eyes at those who are so quick to call "fake" on creepypms and niceguys. People online get weird and mean and fucked up for no reason.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:43 on October 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeah, that sucks. I don't get what the benefit would be by acting like a dick. Sad.

WorstDogEver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:50 on October 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Must be the same reasons that people troll. It sucks, because life has been generally nice to me, and I can't help but want to fix things when life is shit to her, but there's nothing I can do. She even gets street harassment way worse than I do because she takes public transportation. We only live a few miles from each other, but my neighborhood is nice while hers is not so much. (I get the occasional, like, "Hey, beautiful!" while she gets, "Suck my dick!")

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:50 on October 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Fuck that's horrible. Sometimes I understand trolling like its more of a prank. Straight out cat calling someone out like that its unbelievable.

Not that I have much experience, I'm a 30 year old male and kinda get that when I'm out dancing or something but in a way that is understanding since those cougars are mostly drunk; but to do it while sober like what do they get out of it?

WorstDogEver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:08 on October 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

There are essays exploring the different reasons people do it. Sometimes it's like male bonding, you're kinda asserting your masculinity and heterosexuality to each other in the friend group. Sometimes it's like, you just feel entitled to sharing your feelings. ("Nice ass!" "You should smile!" "I'd like to see those lips wrapped around my..." etc) Sometimes it's really terrible flirting. Some guys just like to slow down their car in the middle of the street to give you a look and a whoop or kissy noise. The one thing I can't stand is a stranger trying to grab my arm out of nowhere or trying to block my path on the sidewalk, who the fuck are you, don't touch me. I don't even care about drunk ass grabs, but something about the arm grab really freaks me out. I think because ass grabs tend to just happen and be done, while arm grabs are like someone trying to kidnap you.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:15 on October 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Damn, that sucks. I'm sorry that happens to you. So does your friend get even worse treatment when on the street aside from more derogatory cat calling?

WorstDogEver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:03 on October 2, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Because of the area and the fact that she relies on public transportation, she definitely gets more stalkers and masturbators than I do. But it's not like these are constant.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:16 on October 3, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Lol masturbators?

WorstDogEver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:45 on October 3, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Guys who follow you in public while masturbating. Sometimes they follow you from their car, sometimes on foot. They're thankfully very rare.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:56 on October 3, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Holy crap, that is horrible

WorstDogEver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:54 on October 3, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Haha, you didn't know those exist? No worries, they're rare. :)

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:50 on October 3, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I mean I know people can be creepy, it's just not something I would have imagined

WorstDogEver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:26 on October 4, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'm surprised, actually, that you've never encountered it, since you seem to live in a big city. Do you ever swap stories with friends about this kind of thing?

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:23 on October 5, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Not really. I mean most of my friends are married and we'll never walk around. I live in LA, so everybody just drives.

WorstDogEver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on October 5, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

My husband didn't really get it until he went out with me. He always informs me later of how many men he fended off from groping me. He gets groped too, but less frequently, and we are often at gay bars.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:24 on October 5, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yup, I haven't gone to a gay bar in quite a while. Totally know how it felt from the other side of the fence, lol.

WorstDogEver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:12 on October 5, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

On the flip side, we both get random compliments from strangers. Genuine compliments, not flirting or catcalling. Those are nice.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:38 on October 6, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Oh.... Yeah that's always cool.

Fr33Paco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:15 on October 5, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I mean I do have stories of being groped by Cougars; but that's really not all that since I put my self in those situations.

ey_bb_wan_sum_fuk ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:56:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

One of my favorite troll moves right here: play race card, then accuse other party of playing race card.

WindamEarle ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:40:35 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Wow, just fucking wow. He actually thought that would get a positive response?

ChubbiestThread ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:54:36 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'm white, you're black.

Nice job playing the race card.

bolognahole ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:14:46 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

"BLLLLLLOCKED!!! BE GONE, VILE WENCH!!!!"

justreadthecomment ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:36:52 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Damn. Girls are aware my pictures are selfies because I have no friends? Is there an Okcupid for friends that take pictures of you?

[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:00:57 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I've never wanted to punch someone in the dick so badly...

onekrazykat ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Good luck with the aim. It's a small target.

kgreyhatk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:17:08 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Ohhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooo! He blocked you?!

Whatever will you do now?!

/S

IrbyTremor ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:49:59 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

RACE CARD?!?

Nackles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:40:05 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Don't even have real words for this...my jaw just dropped and I'm making incredulous noises.

metrotastic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:34:00 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

This is horrendous, I've been so caught up in the joke that I forgot that these people actually exist...

[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:45 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'm the most annoyed by his opener.

"hey just fyi I liked your profile. You're welcome"

BobSagetasaur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:13:32 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Jesus he got so told

duggtodeath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:10:23 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What's his reddit username?

notthelastunicorn ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I would say, "Racists gonna race," but he probably doesn't run much.

wallofechoes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:05 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Classic niceguy. What a lad.

Pinkmanbxtch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:08 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

People piss me the fuck off

[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:16:32 on April 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

This Asian guy stands in solidarity with you, OP.

supergregx2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:41 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I don't want to believe this is real smh no guy can be this stupid

twoheadedratboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:43 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

That's some pretty blatant subtle racism right there

RichardRogers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:03 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

WTF

C0CKPUNCHER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:54 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I laughed, this seems so perfect it might not be real.

viperex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:34:57 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Does OP mean to say this guy is a nice guy or he (black box) perceives himself as a nice guy?

zeeeeera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:08 on April 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Most of my profile pictures are only pictures of me because I prefer them :/ Should I change this?

hakarb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:30 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

As a white male married to black female, this was hilarious to my wife and I.

HeNeverLies4 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:13:37 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I love my black women ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:54:18 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I'll bet big money that they don't love you.

HeNeverLies4 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 10:03:42 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

lmao what makes you say that?

[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:22:27 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Do you not see how creepy your first comment was?

HeNeverLies4 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:25:30 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I love black women. I am black. Sayin things like "I love my black women" or "I love my black men" are common for "us" black folks.

Move around and dismiss yourself.

[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 10:46:55 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Still creepy but whatever

HeNeverLies4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:56:45 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Black women love me but im guessing you've never had an actual converstion with an acutal black woman.

Seriously, stop and ask one if this comment is creepy. 110% of them will say no, then you can proceed to apologizing and correcting you past and future behavior.

[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:13:59 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

nah I'm cool thanks

HeNeverLies4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:48 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You're the dumbass coming out the side of your mouth talking some stupid shit like you understand the first, second, or third thing about our culture.

[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:23 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Sure

ScientificMeth0d ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:05 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

What app is this? I feel like trolling is something at play here

304NotFound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:19 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

It's OkCupid (online dating site).

ScientificMeth0d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:02 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Ah, never mind that sounds like too much work.

ReconsideringSandy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:04:17 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

B T F O

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WhiskeyMcQueer ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:18 on May 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I read her responses in Queen Latifah's voice.

fallschirmjaeger ยท -60 points ยท Posted at 16:57:13 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You're criminally stupid if you think this is remotely real.

IrbyTremor ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 21:11:08 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You're criminally stupid if you think this doesnt happen all the goddamn fucking time. You're apparently a Danish lawyer-- the fuck do you know about what gets said to us, again?

-A Black woman with an internet connection

fallschirmjaeger ยท -51 points ยท Posted at 22:07:07 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Go post on /r/againstmensrights. I don't give a shit about your race or sex.

IrbyTremor ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:41:01 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Good for you, but you're still completely, totally and hilariously wrong. Nobody asked YOU specifically what YOU cared about. You just decided this sort of thing is impossible when sorry buddy-- its common.

So if you dont want someone calling out your shit, dont open your second asshole to speak.

[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:32 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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IrbyTremor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:25:43 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

a shill mod

Is this satire ahahaha

That word has become such a joke.

Aerik ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:25:42 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I responded to a /r/fuckredditmods post. these people. lulz

fallschirmjaeger ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 00:12:56 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Your life must suck, being this agitated on reddit. I hope it gets better.

IrbyTremor ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:23:27 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Translation: 'I have nothing I can say to you so how about this tired attempt to put you on the defensive that you've surely never heard before'

:)

fallschirmjaeger ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 00:33:26 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

You can stop replying anytime, woman.

ERockEfreedom ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:08:46 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Daaaaamn /u/IrbyTremor, you wrecked him!! Good job, that was entertaining.

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anycolouryouliked ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:08:09 on April 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Some of those are even musical theatre types of rekt. Getting rekt with pageantry and pizazz must sting.

AcidRose27 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:38:27 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Which part are you having trouble believing?

๐ŸŽ™๏ธ quaxon ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:50:04 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

If you don't think shit like this is real try creating a fake profile using an attractive black chicks picture and see what you get.

TaylerMykel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:53 on April 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

I have definitely gotten messages like this before.

[deleted] ยท -44 points ยท Posted at 14:40:01 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

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SayceGards ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:19:30 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Yeah, because the guy saying he was "dating down" was totally acceptable.

BrolestBrolin ยท -46 points ยท Posted at 15:12:29 on April 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)

Caucasians are great. Can confirm, am part of the caucasian patriarchy