papnvleis ยท 3081 points ยท Posted at 15:15:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A similar incident happened in South Africa this month, a mother found three guys gang raping her daughter (27 I think) and stabbed all three, killing one.
This is a GI Joe reference, had to look it up. First I thought you were just tripping and reading ancient Scientology scripture.
ds612 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:37:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's old. Dunno if they have rebooted GI Joe and if there is any Tomax or Xamot. Funniest is tomax or xamot falling from a helicopter while xamot or tomax was closing a business deal. All of a sudden the twin closing the business deal was rolling on the ground shouting, "i'm falliinnng! I'm falling!!!!" Needless to say the business deal was not executed.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:34:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it definitely does. You lose your humanity when you do an act like that. It prevents them from doing it ever again.
You don't deserve to live when you've already basically robbed the normal life of an innocent person by purposefully traumatizing them for your own gain.
MrZAP17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You lose your humanity"? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that our genes mutated upon committing a crime. Humanity is inherent to the species; it's not something you can lose as long as you're alive. That goes double for anyone on the receiving end of a sex crime.
And who are you to decide that someone deserves to die? Life should be guarded regardless of circumstance. It's something you deserve to have just by virtue of having it in the first place. Neither you nor I would be justified in taking it away from anyone.
Annaille ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once you have dark thoughts, you can either act on them or reevaluate your life/seek help. These men choose to act on them, thus, your humanity is void.
Remember, they had a knife as well.
Edit: Spelling.
MrZAP17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how the human body works. You're using the term humanity too broadly. Are they a biological human? Then they haven't lost their humanity, by definition. That thing that distinguishes them as one of us still remains. Anyway, thoughts are ephemeral, and can be changed, as can people themselves. There's no such thing as someone permanently condemned to acting the same way. It's true that taking the time to train good behaviors is difficult and intensive.
This sounds like a good situation for some sort of long-reaching blunt object (or less long but more surprising, which should be aimed for anyway). What is the main objective in that situation? The primary objectives are getting the rapist off of her, and also ensuring people's safety- in my book that means all parties, including the rapist. Aim for their arms and hands to startle and disarm them (obviously not without some risk of involuntary movement of the knife; if you can think of a safer way around that please share). Use what you have available in the area to push them off and away from the victim. Best case scenario their confidence in their situation topples and they deflate while someone calls the cops, but if they don't then separate yourselves from them ASAP by leaving the room and closing the door if possible. You want to remove their ability to continue. Then call the cops and get the girl medically checked.
Not necessarily simple or easy, but all very doable. These are only what I'm thinking of at the top of my head not in that situation. Once you're actually in the specifics will be more clear and you'll see more options.
I don't believe in situations where lethal force is desirable, but maybe more importantly to you, I don't think it's ever necessary either.
A heinous act needs to be stopped, but that does not justify robbing someone of their life.
Theres so much nonsense in your comment. This bit here, for example, there isnt even any room for debate if you stab people in the middle of attacking someone.
Thats not trivializing thats self defence.
As for whether or not its justified, thats all subjective.
A lot of people are weary of the death penalty because it can be inaccurate. In a case like this, theres not really room for that.
The only real reason to be against their deaths in this case is if you believe that, outside of you know the whole self defence bit, that its better to trust the court system to deal with them and keep society safe from them, or that their acts werent bad enough to warrant it.
MrZAP17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:45:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care one bit about the death penalty's efficacy; I just dislike death on principle. It doesn't matter to me how or why or when. Life ending, loss of identity and memory and future possibility, is an inherently tragic concept that is beyond what anyone could ever deserve to have inflicted upon them.
You can defend nonlethally. I have nothing against injury or force, just death. Incapacitation may be harder, but it's perfectly possible. Break bones if you have to; just avoid the head and don't risk excessive bleeding. Use that big human brain you don't give nearly enough credit to to problem solve the best possible scenario and do everything you can to get to it.
I don't compromise with death, and it would probably do you and me better if you didn't either, but that is unfortunately not something I am capable of forcing onto you at this time.
grafter8 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:35:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of that, but "mama bear" is a common expression. That's all I wanted to talk about.
sepseven ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:37:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They all deserve to die. Shit like this makes me SO mad.
AWright5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone seems to love punishment by death in this thread
Aglz507 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:20:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think for many, rapist are just the shittiest of people out there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Rapist who take advantage of young children
derp2004 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The were probably trying to get rid of their AIDs. For some reason men in Africa with AIDs think if you have sex with a virgin it gets rid of the infection. They have billboards telling men not to do this.
JOHANNESBURG โ A crowd funding campaign has been set up to assist with the legal fees of an Eastern Cape woman, who was arrested after she killed one man and wounded two others who she allegedly found raping her daughter.
The community believes she acted in self-defense. The woman is currently out on R500 bail and has been charged with murder and attempted murder.
This makes me livid. This is self-defense.
Annaille ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:31:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wooow, fuck that. ...and yet I'm not surprised. :(
You don't, really. People use their knifes and fists and guns to protect themselves all the time, it just usually doesn't get this kind of publicity. Self-defense doctrine is as strong now as it's ever been in most of the US
My guess would be that, after he's choked unconscious he is no longer a threat to anyone, killing him, after he went unconscious crosses the line (in law), assumedly.
MrZacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because its NY duh
nova-geek ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:07:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And uniformed bullies shooting 27 bullets into unarmed women should also be found guilty if the "law" works. We should be surprised if they get away but it just happens again and again. I would be surprised if the "good majority" of officers ever help convict "one bad apple."
Couldn't she still be charged with attempted murder, following the law though? Of course her defense would be sound and she would get it dropped in the long run.
Depending on the situation she could be charged and be found guilty. Say, if as soon she walked in the guy stopped assaulting her daughter and was clearly done putting people in harm. In that case, she wouldn't have a self-defense (or third party, whatever) claim.
With that being said, I couldn't see a prosecutor bringing charges against a parent trying to kill someone who was sexually assaulting their child. That would be like... the worse PR.
A prosecutor usually won't file charges if there's a valid defense though, especially in cases like this. But it would be she's found not guilty, not necessarily that they'd be dropped.
You could theoretically make a case for excessive force, but no (sane) jury on Earth would go with that. Guy was raping her daughter, the woman probably would have been acquitted even if she killed him right then and there.
JamesOliv ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given how many times some women have stood back and allowed spouses and boyfriends to abuse their children I doubt the DA would want to send the message that you shouldn't physically try to stop an assault like this if you happen upon it.
ThellraAK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:06:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least in Alaska use of deadly force would be allowed to stop a rape.
evaned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's true basically everywhere in the US (at least for forcible rape).
Most states (including Ohio) have very clear laws that allow deadly force to be used if the person thinks that it will prevent death or severe bodily harm of oneself or a third party (a lot of states also explicitly allow it if the "bad guy" is in the process of or attempting to commit a "forcible felony," but I don't think that Ohio is one of them). So I guess the only way that charges could be brought is if they claimed that rape didn't constitute "severe bodily harm."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โForcible felonyโ means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
So it really depends on the state, but generally the consensus is that last bit: "any felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence" (this line is verbatim the same in Illinois law for instance).
Jupman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nessary force to stop the person from doing what they are doing.
Poor mother lacked conviction, as it was. Fucker should be dead.
Ildigrub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're lucky it's Cleveland in mass you can't use violence in self defense unless they attack you first... The castle law. We're screwed if theres ever a burglar with a gun ๐ though no idea about the law on third party defense and I'm sure that's more than enough to count as assault
tang81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a defense. You can still be charged but should be found not guilty after a trial. However, the right thing for the DA to do is to recommend no charges. Which they often fail to do.
Here in Australia they are called Rock Spider (gets into little cracks), they generally spend a lot of time in the infirmary after falling down stairs on regular occasions, they tend to be very clumsy around stairs.
Probably not. Pedophiles and rapists are separated from the rest of the prisoners afaik.
ChicaFoxy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is this? As far as I know they are in the general mix unless they PC (protective custody) up, which in jail terms equates to admitting you're a wuss and deserve to be beat at first opportunity.
There's a difference between a down right wish for slaughter and more of an understanding of someone reacting violently in an extreme situation; which is more of the case here.
Toadxx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:35:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but lethal force is permitted in the defense of it.
You are saying rape of a child is not equal to being stabbed multiple times and you wonder why people got triggered. The mother could have chopped his dick off and it still wouldn't have been enough and there isn't a single DA in the country who would press charges on her unless he was a child molester too.
A jury composed of redditors that have read this article wouldn't, and I certainly wouldn't, but a jury that was brought in not knowing anything and groomed by good lawyers might. IANAL though.
There's plenty of legal convictions that lost in the court of public opinion but won in the courtroom: OJ, teenage nudes or close in age statutory rape cases, some self defense cases, etc.
dexxstion ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:09:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IANAL though
Damn, I thought I had to PM you for the dirty talk!
<Parks was treated for the injuries at MetroHealth, where he told detectives that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her daughter had feelings for him," according to the police report.
Fuck that guy
o0cynix0o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is wrong. High-risk prisoners like child rapists, celebrities, police officers, etc that are convicted of crimes get 24/h monitoring in a special section of the prison for just this reason. Prison isn't for peer-punishment of especially heinous crimes, nor should we encourage mob justice.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Many people in this thread want mob justice and it's fucked. What happens for cases where they find out that he didn't do it?
SeahawkTJ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:44:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should edit that to Hang the prick, if he's guilty. He has been arrested, so I am assuming the cops charged him because the rape kit came back positive that the girl was assaulted.
But he hasn't been convicted yet so I shouldn't assume.
Yeah, Mom stabbed him in the head, once, and the chest 5 times, because she was jealous. The rape kit could sit on a shelf for 12 years, after the step pleads guilty to assault and gets 6 months. Maybe the judge also accuses the mother of jealousy and tells the 12-year-old she asked for it and seduced the guy.
Very little justice in our justice system.
Too bad he didn't die from his injuries. He's gonna serve his short time, get out and rape another kid.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Mom stabbed him in the head, once, and the chest 5 times, because she was jealous.
we have seen stranger things on reddit.
The rape kit could sit on a shelf for 12 years
Unfortunately possible
Maybe the judge also accuses the mother of jealousy and tells the 12-year-old she asked for it and seduced the guy.
again, we have seen stranger things.
Very little justice in our justice system.
Seems that way at times
Too bad he didn't die from his injuries. He's gonna serve his short time, get out and rape another kid.
Hope this is not the case. If proven guilty, I would rather tha guy do a very long time in a really horrible jail, but as you said some times there seems to be little in the way of justice.
No. A little girl got raped. You've got a fucked-up perspective. Everybody in this thread wants to ignore that fact. That happens all the time and it's never good news.
silvalen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? You're right, and I'm sorry my comment was so thoughtless and shitty.
Oh but your honor, she stabbed him too many times! The guy was surely incapacitated and therefore no longer a threat after the 2nd stab! This is murder!
Ahh don't you just wish lightning just hit someone while doing a bad thing, or or heart attacks!
PS fuck volley errors select all - copy - leave reddit - clear open apps - open reddit - search post - click reply - paste. I'd stab this phone numerous time if this shit doesn't go in.
[deleted] ยท 2796 points ยท Posted at 16:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry, that's so awful You were extremely brave to keep telling the truth. So many adults failed you, but your grandmother did step up. It's sad to contemplate that something similar may have happened to her.
As a child, I found out about a similar situation (not in my family, but in a gymnastics gym). I tried everything I could to get the adults around me to pay attention and do something about it, and they didn't--not even the girl's parents. They looked the other way, I guess because the person was charming and well respected. I was only there visiting for a short period of time (a summer camp), but I saw the coach in question at competitions and it seemed that there were no repercussions for him.
H3yFux0r ยท 573 points ยท Posted at 22:05:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear that. I started dating a smoking hot girl in HS and met her step brother who was the Golden child and could do no wrong in the parent's eyes. He was abusing her, holding her down and feeling her up and getting off while he did it. It was the strangest thing, one day out of the blue she just drops the info on me. We where talking about fixing her car and then she stops mid conversation gets really nervous and tells me bit by bit with me asking questions. Almost had to pry it out of her. Small town, parents would not hear of it, police station said I needed proof or her to come in and that wasn't happening. 18Yo me was passionate, angry and on a mission to fix this. I ended up holding the guy at gun point while some friends held him down and made him believe we would kill him if it ever happen again. It was not hard to convince the guy he was a loser and knew it. Once he opened his mouth it all came rolling out with the "I didn't mean to!" and "I never wanted to hurt!" BS Which was what triggered the anger in my best bro and he just started kicking till we could not kick any more.
Oh wow. 18yo you sounds amazing. My college roommate was brought up in a very similar situation and no one did anything. Even as a grown-ass adult, her fucked-up family has expected her to be polite to her brother. She ended up cutting them all out of her life to stay sane, but it's been a hard path. I wish she'd had someone like you to put the fear into her brother and bring it out into the open all those years ago.
H3yFux0r ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:26:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just hearing that makes me very sad. I'm so sorry. When I heard that I thought about what might have happened to her if it had not stopped. It freaks me out I need a drink.
Congrats for taking the lead and doing something. I was angry just by reading this
H3yFux0r ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:03:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it may have been one of the only times in my life that a snap decision driven by anger resulted in positive results. I'm just thankful that times have changed. If I where to go to the same police department and claim the same things today something would be done and people would investigate.
dweezil12 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:22:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My neighbors,who seemed quite normal from the outside, were a really fucked up family. The step-dad,since the kids were less than Four,was molesting the girl AND her brother.
I found out about it from my sister,who is still friends with the step daughter. They moved out of my neighborhood when the kids were in their middle teens and divorced soon afterwards. The kids mom eventually reported it to the police and Rufus, not his real name, went to prison.
H3yFux0r ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is such a huge shock when you find something like that out. I don't have the words to describe. In my case I usually read people right off the bat, I can tell whats up with people sexual preference, political views, type of up bringing, ect. But with this guy I was blind for more than 6 months. You want to be angry and go to war with it right then and there but that person in front of you needs help first.
Valthorn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:12:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he live, or was Death kind to him that day?
H3yFux0r ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:25:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lived, hobbled around for a long time and had a bad eye. I never thought about what would happen after. Seeing as it was a small town and word gets out but he took care to keep away. If I did see him around I would some times say rhetorically "Keeping out of trouble I hope!". The community might have not known the details but they got the jest of it and everyone kept an eye on him. He took an over the road trucking job right after that and was gone most the time.
Valthorn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:39:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he could live some kind of life afterwards he got off too easy. My sister was raped by a stranger a few years back and he was let go an a technicality, and considering the absolute hell she went through I hope for his sake I don't meet him and figure out who he is.
H3yFux0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing them all is an easy solution. I think they need help, not like oh you went to a meeting help. Like forehead branded then locked up someplace studied so we might find a solution or early warning signs help.
CodeCat5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you! You, sir, are a hero. Some tend to say things like violence isn't the answer, be the bigger man, all you can do is report to the police, bla bla bla... Sometimes they're not far off, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. 15-20 years ago I was presented with similar situations twice within about 3-4 years of each other, but I went in with a baseball bat instead of my feet. It takes a LOT to get me anywhere near that point, but I've never regretted my actions for a second.
H3yFux0r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one NO ONE should have to endure rape or the threat of rape. The psychological aspect alone can permanently change a person. It is a betrayal of trust that towers over everything else I can think of.
I agree, people who commit these types of crimes don't deserve to live any longer. The world is already overpopulated. It is a gift to spend time on this earth and if that's how you are going to treat people you can GTFO.
It honestly depends on your local law enforcement and district attorney's office.
You might get arrested initially, but no jury around here is going to convict you for that. A man is supposed to protect his family. You have the added benefit of helping a girlfriend, and that would have pulled on the heartstrings of any woman in the jury. I doubt a DA in this area would even bother bringing charges. The defense attorneys would laugh them out of court.
We survivors tend to randomly drop that info on people. Sorry? But I guess it's good she trusted you enough. It sometimes just comes to the surface and we have to talk about it.
H3yFux0r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:18:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to be sorry it was just a shocking park of the whole thing for me. We where having a normal conversation and then she just drops a nuke. I don't think there is a way or a time to tell some one the details and it not be shocking.
Fuck dude. That's intense. You did what you had to do. Thanks for sticking up for her
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, I wish I knew you when I was a teenager. I was too scared to report the guys that raped me, but now that I'm a bit older... I wish they had gotten the shit knocked out of them.
Dang, I just listened to an episode of Reveal about a gymnastics coach who was alleged to have abused many of his young gymnasts. One of his victims confronts him as an adult.
klove02 ยท 264 points ยท Posted at 20:10:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister was the brave one, dad was molesting me and my two sisters. I was the oldest sister and her the youngest. She died a few years ago due to an addiction.
She saved us, I'm glad you did that for your sister too.
mrmcspicy ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:07:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear about the addiction. I hope it wasn't started from the trauma you guys endured. Its such a shame to see the psychiatric and substance disorders that often arise from childhood abuse. I hope your dad is justly punished.
klove02 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 23:53:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long story but ultimately he is in prison, was released at some point and then back in for attempted murder. Never had any contact after my parents divorced and all the foster homes and crap.
Mom passed away 7 years ago from alcoholism, that was fun too.
I learned a lot about how NOT to be o
in my life. I don't let this get me down but man do I remember the trauma as a kid.
Always wanted to be someone else from my class who didn't have this happening to them. Sucked being afraid to go to bed at night.
I just don't get this shit. Makes no sense to me. How can they just cover up t up and not care? I don't have any children and I'm a very calm guy but if I saw this happening to any of my young cousins (or really any child) I think I would go into a fit of primal rage. Just that's making about it is making me furious.
She doesn't remember it, what a blessing. All those years of semi normal family life. Make a big deal of it and she would have remembered including the trial and the mother losing her shit. She would have lost it either way he knew this family was not going to make it. Very selfish way to go with it I understand but from the outside look IDK how the outcome would have ever been better. What if it was the other way and he told, that scenario; what is the upside?
poop_frog ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:40:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's a lie so she doesn't have to talk about it and relive it, because she's found a way to cope by remaining silent, but she remembers every moment.
I have no memories of shitty stuff from my childhood, even after having those moments described by adults who were responsible for said moments.
So I believe that her sister has no memories of this, which I guess is a way the brain protects from intense trauma. It does not mean it's not affecting her, but at least she has no memory to relive over and over.
zeonchar ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:32:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That still doesn't sound right, you know? Her brother literally raped her child... and why wouldn't OP not tell her mother but only her dad? Something doesn't add up here to me.
Her mother's uncle, not brother. Which could be why she told her dad. Also kids generally have an easier time talking to specific adults. So maybe it adds up just fine.
This kind of situation is extremely complicated and difficult to deal with. Some people go into denial all together, some redirect blame.
You have to imagine it as it really is... usually it isn't some strange man who is abusing your kid... it's someone you love dearly/as much as your kid. A brother, father, your best friend you've known for 20 years, someone you could never imagine hurting you or your child. The stigma surrounding it is awful, getting the police involved, you are conflicted and in shock, sometimes the child is confused because he or she also dearly loves the abuser...
I speak from the viewpoint of an abused kid who told their parent and was never given help. One of the biggest hurdles to getting kids help is the stigma surrounding sexual abuse in general and a child /person and family being "damaged" after it's revealed. There is a veil of silence that everyone agrees is best. It seems counterintuitive but it happens all the time, and as a society we should be doing everything we can to talk about it openly.
OzMazza ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:17:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who also experienced sexual abuse from someone no one suspected/believed would ever do it, I think it's odd how much adults try to cover up/lie for the abuser. I suppose it's difficult to imagine, and it's a kid, so they could be making up stories. Still, it surprises me.
We even have research now that basically says the majority of child abuse comes from someone the kid knows, and people refuse to believe it could be possible that their brother or father or neighbor could be abusing their kid.
Parents- its never too early to talk to your child about places adults shouldn't touch them, and what to do if they feel uncomfortable. Also- please believe your child. Yes, it will destroy your family relationships, and yes, confronting your family member/boyfriend/friend will be awful.... but as someone who has gone through it, you are literally taking your kid out of hell. Also, please get the police involved and get therapy for your child.
And if you even slightly suspect something is wrong for one of your kids friends, get CPS involved. I know people are probably like, "duh," but when the time comes, they don't want to be involved and don't do anything. You can save someone's life.
What I'm about to ask is probably rude and I'm sorry if it upsets you at all, but say that uncle fully recanted and got help and fixed his life could you forgive someone for that? I've always wondered about that sort of thing and if there's ever a hope of reconciliation for the family. I doubt I could forgive them but obviously have never been in such a situation. I'm taking a moral philosophy class right now and this relates to our current discussions. If you don't care to respond I understand
hug I'm so sorry you had to go through it. You're safe now. :) She's safe now too. I'm always around if you need to PM with someone who went through a similar experience with their family (I can't go into it for obvious reasons publicly).
I get that pedophiles are assholes, but I don't think they deserve to die. And speaking of assholes, they'll probably get theirs ripped up in prison...
This was quite hard to read... Very traumatic for the entire family I would say.
Not trying to make this post any less serious but I have to admit; I checked the user name half way through. Was fully expecting it to be another u/shittymorph post.
The Mayor: Callahan, I don't want any more trouble like you had last year in the Filmore District. That's my policy.
Harry Callahan: Well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. Thatโs my policy.
The Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that?
Harry Callahan: When a man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcherโs knife and a hard-on, I figure he isnโt out collecting for the Red Cross.
Mayor: Drebin, I don't want any more trouble like you had last year on the southside. Understand? That's my policy.
Frank: Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's my policy.
Mayor: That was a Shakespeare in the Park production of Julius Caesar, you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones!
especially when he's driving south from LA to San Diego, lamenting his lost love, and sees the SONGS Nuclear reactors and utters something like "everywhere i look, i remember her"
So, I'm a San Diego native, I read this and was like "oh shit, we have nuclear reactors?" Then I clicked the link and realized, "oh yeah, The Boobs". I always forget they have an actual official name.
Also a San Diego native and just know them as the boobs as well. My grandpa apparently used to work there too and I never knew the real name until now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell your kids it's a milk factory. When they're older they'll get in an argument with friends about it. At first the friends will think your kid is making a joke. Then they'll realize your kid really believes there is a milk factory shaped like a giant pair of tits.
San Diego, represent! Every time we drove to LA my dad would snicker and point out "The Boobs." You can imagine how hilarious it was when my high school jazz band drove up to Disney land.
The best was discovering there was a TV series too originally. So I got to go back and watch a bunch of Naked Guns I'd never seen before. And now there's Angie Tribeca :)
Bob383 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The tv series was a little more dry, less slapstick more deadpan. And I was only able to watch like 4 episodes before I got busy with something and forgot about it. But definitely funny. And definitely a lot of the same or similar jokes.
blove135 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember my mom renting it on VHS when I was about 10yrs old. We just got a fancy new VCR that had this thing that you turned on the remote that would slowmo, rewind, Fast forward, ETC. There was a part I don't remember much but I think during the baseball game where a very obviously fake dummy falls (I can't find the clip online) and my friend and I would crack up laughing rewinding and slowing that part. Loved that movie.
Airsh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the Naked Gun movies, but I also liked Wrongfully Accused. Never understood why there isn't much love for that movie as it pretty much has the same humor as Naked Gun.
maluminse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donaldson did in the gap cycle. Spoiler: that technology also lead to basically tortureporn clubs where the equivalent of strippers would mutilate themselves for the entertainment of the audience.
Drebin: First of all, I must admit that I knew about the first five drug dealers I killed...the other two I reversed over with my car
So good!
shellwe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize he was copying dirty Harry.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shellwe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think too much into movies so I am sure there are a plethora. Especially in movies that spoof movies that came out before I was born. I think I saw one Dirty Harry movie 20 years ago, and that's about it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen this, but now I have to. This is just funny on the face of it, but the tag "Good ones!" makes it brilliant comedy.
Laimbrane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's so perfect. The movie holds up after all these years, too - it's brilliant.
My favorite part of that line is the inclusion of "Good ones!" at the end. It's so brilliant. Implying that there might be some wiggle room there for Frank if he had just killed a troupe of bad actors. Hell, everyone can't stand a bad actor trying to pull of low rent productions of Shakespeare. But no, Frank had to kill off the good ones.
Drachefly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the Far side where the parents complain that the witch they hired as a baby-sitter cooked and ate both of their kids.
Coarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on us now. In real life Frank would have gotten off too.
Although this is a joke, it really does illustrate why Dirty Harry's "policy" was no good. No matter how sure you are that you can tell what the situation is, you can be mistaken. Granted, Harry's interpretation was more likely to be correct then Drebin's, but any Human can be wrong about anything.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:50:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, while this is a joke, it's also why I'll never be able to feel at ease (in public) in the States.
The Mayor: Callahan, I don't want any more trouble like you had last year in the Filmore District. That's my policy. Harry Callahan: Well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. Thatโs my policy. The Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that? Harry Callahan: When a man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcherโs knife and a hard-on, I figure he isnโt out collecting for the Red Cross.
Tsquare43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:15:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's actually collecting for the National Hot Dog and Sausage council.
Mayor: How did you establish that?
Callahan: Well a naked man is chasing a woman down an alley with a butcher knife, I figure he isn't collector for the Red Cross.
Mayor: I think he's got a point.
amore404 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Dirty Harriet"
tulutollu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
coolcoolcoolcoolcool. Hey remember how we don't like when cops shoot people based on a hunch? Good movie tho
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a part of me that wants to kill someone like this. I don't ever want to find this happening to someone I know, but I do know that if I ever do, I'm gonna kill the motherfucker immediately. Too many stories of these guys getting out of jail after a couple years and the girl never feels safe. I'll make sure she feels safe.
I have fantasized about this since I was a young teen. Listen to the song Yvette by Jason Isbell if you want to know what I mean. I'm not crazy. https://youtu.be/cDO9FhLFcaE
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
these movies are fun to watch, but then I think Eastwood wanted to deal with his early career in Gran Torino. If you only knew him as a cliche macho from Dirty Harry, westerns etc., this movie tricks you to expect he will again solve the problem with a few fast, precise shots. But instead you are surprized with much more mature image of manliness. I love this movie.
The world would be a better place if more people took Dirty Harry's attitude.
Asraia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a redpill dating strategy
ogrelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plausible scenario: first time viagra user takes pill too early when planning sexy time after cooking his SO dinner. SO prank steals a carrot and user has to run after her to finish said dinner. /s
Wyatt Earp was actually pretty famous for being able to end a situation with non-lethal force. He really seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time for all the times he actually had to shoot someone, and then handled it as a professional.
Source: Did a paper on him in high school and his life while very exciting and glorified, was not what we see in movies.
Personally, I would only think lethal force was justified if someone was armed and about to cause serious harm and there was no other realistic option. Dirty Harry is not exactly a weakling and the police are not there to just mow down anyone they come across who is up to no good.
CSFFlame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:54 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there was no other realistic option.
This is called duty to retreat, and is frowned upon, because not dealing with the threat immediately puts you in greater (and unnecessary danger)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A. It's just a movie
B. It's a movie about a cop called Dirty Harry
C. The next lines of dialogue are pretty important
Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that?
Insp. Harry Callahan: When a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a cop and you have a gun, you have the power and the responsibility to diffuse the situation without killing anyone. You can't just fucking gun people down with zero warning.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a shit fucking move. Just shoot the guy, no warning, just fucking gun him down? If you're a cop and you have a gun, you have the power to diffuse that situation without bloodshed.
darthbone ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of hackish dialog when you think about it. Nobody would end that remark with "that's my policy". It's a hamfisted setup for Harry's response.
Fantastic movie, and memorable scene. Bad writing, though.
Also pretty bad logic. It's not like rape is a touch sport. If there's an officer in pursuit of a would-be rapist, I doubt he'd going to have the time or inclination to still try and rape that woman. Seems like shooting the guy put people needlessly in danger when the danger to the potential victim had already reasonably passed.
Again. Awesome movie. I've maybe bought <50 DVD/BluRay's in my life, and Dirty Harry is one of them.
She's not a cop, but with how this kind of vigilante justice is so normalized and men have literally no benefit of the doubt or civil rights in matters like this, it won't be long before copycats are made out of jilted lovers and other such psychopaths. Congratulations on setting up a huge precedent!
Toadxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
men have literally no benefit of the doubt or civil rights in matters like this,
In what situation would you need to be naked on top of a 12 year old?
with how this kind of vigilante justice is so normalized
Yeah. You rape someone and you get killed or otherwise injured/maimed during it, you deserve it.
He's lucky the mother used a pocket knife instead of a kitchen knife. Otherwise with five stabs to the chest and one to the head, it's unlikely his child raping ass would still be breathing.
Verizer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I was thinking about, thanks.
j_e_10_15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic video and what I was thinking too. Imagine not only somebody repeatedly hitting you with said plastic bottle, but also having to listen to that annoying plastic crunch every time.
Timmehhh3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hit them with the top end, the caps actually tend to hurt with reasonable velocity.
I dunno. Eventually that bottle's going to get so beaten up that it'll get twisted around and get some sharp edges on it, either from being torn or just bending on itself.
TheGurw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will find you. It will catch you. It will hit you. With a spoon. Again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Reminds me of that parody trailer of the murderer that spends the entire film following a guy to the ends of the earth hitting him repeatedly with a spoon.
When I was little i threw a 3/4 empty coke bottle at my cousin. It hit him in the eye and he had to go to the E.R. I felt so bad. But that was the day I realized anything could be a weapon.
Badger_35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John Wick is that you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom once hit me in the head with an empty 2 liter bottle of soda. The force of the bounce back almost knocked her over. I almost died laughing which just pissed her off even more.
Reminds me of the episode of South Park where Carman is afraid Kyle will nark about something they did, I think TPing and tries to beat him to death with a wiffle ball bat
Beateride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or... with a SPOON
Mcshovin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get an oasis bottle, tighten the cap, stand bottle with cap against victims teeth, hit the base of the bottle with the palm of your hand and your victim should have no teeth left by the end. That's about the most harm I think could be committed with an empty plastic bottle.
You just get really really tired from it, they'll either die of starvation from you only beating them a few hours a day, or half way through you'll give up and stick the skinny part down their throat and keep pounding, you leave the cap off though so they can still kinda breathe then you pinch the nostrils as you look them in the eyes until they almost pass out, repeat a few times and then pull the bottle out...put the cap back on and reshove it down their throat so they gag to death on their own vomit. Dont forget to use the cap to scoop their eyes out though. Also take off the wrappe and continously krinkle it in their ear.
My dream; if I had the power of invisibility; would be to beat a mime to death in front of a crowd of people... Everyone would think they've just watched the best fucking mime the world has ever seen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd have my respect just for the time commitment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My gma hit me so hard with an empty 16oz plastic bottle. Never knew it could be swung with such force
I've seen enough WPD posts to know being stabbed or slashed repeatedly is a horrible way to go, or even experience. The human body can take muuuuch more punishment than you'd think it could.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pocket knives usually make shitty weapons though because most don't have a locking mechanism to prevent them from folding up when pressure is put against the back edge of the blade. In a stabbing motion, a folding knife will more than likely chop your finger off than harm your opponent.
Toadxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of knives have locking mechanisms that prevent that, unless the lock fails.
trailless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab and twist
hikerfag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also go for the face and hands. Not lethal with a small life bit it will leave visible scars for life. Make sure you twist the blade before removing it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: getting stabbed hurts either way tho
Dem827 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death by a thousand cuts.... just throw that in your google if you enjoy the NSFW things in life ๐๐ผ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you turned out like your dad Dexter
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've never been stabbed by a short blade. Some paper cuts are more painful. Either way he's lucky she didn't kill him.
Sawses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if you're going for pain when he's on top of a kid, you've got your priorities wrong. Save the pain for when he's in prison--considering what they do to child sex offenders, they'll do a better job than most folks could.
Can confirm. Was being stupid trying to shave down a piece of plastic with a little pocket knife and it slipped and went through the side of my finger.
jbonte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although this is partly true, it's also much more likely that the "victim" could end up hemorrhaging to death from small untreated cuts to veins/arteries not easily visible...Not really a concern in this shitbags case.
You think correctly. Like if you are going to cut someone's hand off, start at the tip of each finger, and slowly make your way down one by one. Durr, don't let em just feel it once.
0xD34D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F**k painful, lethality should have been the only option here.
Ever try a spoon? Lots more effort, but there's a direct correlation between effort and satisfaction, I hear. Seriously, stuff like this case makes me wish old school Scandinavian viking rape laws were still a thing. See, back in the day, if someone raped a woman, it was totally legal to murder that person. And the only way to really solve the problem of molestation is to feed the perp a bullet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dr__Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, I mean you'd certainly want him to suffer, but the most important thing would be that he died. Because it's probably the only way he won't do it again if he gets the chance.
Fuck paedophiles.
I'm sure the next Aileen Wuornos or Annie Wilkes type of psychopath will thank you for your great ideas and the precedent you've all set for normalizing vigilante justice. Just claim the guy tried to rape you or some kid, instantly justified murder. How fun!
Aumnix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the hand of a trained killer, you can easily puncture more arteries... severing several at once, you'd bleed out quick.
Knife wounds are tricky. Typically they kill via blood loss, or possibly organ damage with larger knives. A small knife could be more deadly than a large one, depending on whether or not an artery was cut.
Unlike gunshots wounds, which typically kill via shock from the tissue damage before bloodloss.
Arkanin ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:23:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike gunshots wounds, which typically kill via shock from the tissue damage before bloodloss.
Don't know if intentional trolling, but this is completely wrong. You can't mean shock in the most literal medical sense, so I assume you are alluding to the hydrostatic shock "theory" of ballistics wounds. Hydrostatic shock is not mainstream science. Blood loss and organ damage are unequivocally what kills, not a magical hydrostatic force. A gunshot's force does produce a temporarily enlarged wound cavity, but it's not simple or clear how much the distortion caused by the temporary cavity contributes to the overall blood loss and organ damage compared to permanent wound channels. To say more here is not feasible -- the topic contains too much information to properly explain in the 1-2 sentences this subreddit has the patience for.
Is there a resource to learn more about this? I'm very interested.
Arkanin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:15:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't recommend a specific textbook that thoroughly covers gunshot wounds from a medical point of view. At best, you can pull research papers debating hydrostatic shock and gunshot wounding mechanisms, but that's about it.
In actual fact, I'm oversimplifying when I say that hydrostatic shock is a myth. It's just so controversial, poorly understood, and potentially unimportant that it might as well be treated by the public as medical misinformation. Nobody disputes that there is an abrupt pressure change to the circulatory system caused by creating a hole in the body. However, the general idea behind hydrostatic shock is that a greater initial pressure wave delivered to the circulatory system at the moment of impact exacerbates injuries or incapacitates. That is, hydrostatic shock posits that the pressure extered on the body during hole creation is more important than the severity of the hole in the body. I'm extremely doubtful that this is a significant part of the wounding mechanism because the pressure wave itself is on par with what some kidney stone devices deliver (granted - they aren't opening up your heart while they work).
This makes hydrostatic shock a problematic concept because many or even all injuries laypeople and even military professionals call "hydrostatic shock" may be effects of the pressure changes associated with receiving a wound and/or CNS/circulatory trauma, organ damage, (medical) shock, or blood loss, not the pressure wave initially delivered by the bullet. Bullets with high hydrostatic shock quotients have other factors that make them far more destructive to the body as well - they tend to create larger and/or more numerous wound channels. So it's reasonable to ask to what extent the pressure wave of the initial impact matters compared to the rest of the trauma.
tl;dr: Hypothetically, if a bullet goes in, doesn't tumble or fragment, and goes right back out, does it make a difference to the circulatory system whether it did so at 700 or 1500 FPS? If your answer is "yes" you believe that hydrostatic shock is important. But in many such hypothetical situations it would not be important, and in the situations where it would or could be, it's not especially well-understood medically. Moreover, many of the differences in wounding potential reported by soldiers may be due to other wounding mechanisms they don't understand - their understanding of "shoot guy with big, fast bullet, and guy dies way more often" is completely justified, but hydrostatic shock may not be (in my opinion is almost never) the correct explanation.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:37:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if only there were some sort of searchable global connected information network.
oh well, maybe we'll learn about hydrostatic shock in science class.
There's lots of bullshit everywhere. This person seems like someone who has already vetted information and knows a good source. I would just read about it on Wikipedia, but I'm sure there's something better.
There's not really a singular IT. The guy is obviously leveraging medical knowledge as well..so go start at anatomy and physiology and work your way up to postmodern ballistic theory
Great, now I have the name for my band's next album
shillbert ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
postmodern ballistic theory
The theory that bullet wounds are a social construct designed to oppress women by associating them with a cause of pain and death through the wound's resemblance to a vagina?
jdovew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
postmodern
Or, you know, modern ballistics knowledge. No need to explore future theories of ballistics.
When I took a hunting class a number of years ago, the instructor was very clear that you were shooting for the heart and/or major arteries connected to it. If you can damage those major blood vessels, blood pressure drops off fast enough that the animal is rendered unconscious almost instantly and death follows a short while after. Miss that shot and you're going to be chasing the animal through the brush until it bleeds out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you got your source about the shock part, but you might want to double check.
The mother is lucky, too. She might not face charges for this stabbing, but if she would have killed him, she almost certainly would go to jail for manslaughter. If everything in this story turns out to be true, she probably responded with just the right amount of force.
You realize he didn't imply rape at all? Child molesters are heavily disliked in prison by pretty much everyone, they don't have to rape him to fuck with him.
Shame it still is. I I'm perfectly comfortable saying that this scumbag should die. He should be executed (and normally I'm strongly against execution). I'd kill him if I were her.
I'm glad he didn't die. Inmates in jail make child rapists life a living hell once they discover what they are in for.
agentorgy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why we don't just throw people like this off cliffs. there is rehabilitation for these people. fuck dude
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's unfortunate the mother used a pocket knife instead of a kitchen knife. Otherwise with five stabs to the chest and one to the head, it's unlikely his child raping ass would still be breathing.
And it's unlikely the mother would face any backlash over vigilante justice at all. Nice precedent, copycat psychopaths everywhere are forever in society's debt.
RMCPhoto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pain induced by small knife wounds and the shame of carrying both the scars and the memory of his actions (plus any legal charges) may be more punishment than a swift death.
We can only hope that the head wound is highly visible so that people will ask him about it for the rest of his life.
"How'd you get that scar on your head?"
raping a child...dies a little more inside "A...machine shop accident"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ender323 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A knife is pretty much the worst self defense weapon you could choose. I carry a knife for utility purposes, but I'd be more likely to just leave it in my pocket and fight with my fists.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you see, that's why I also usually carry a gun. I'll use the knife as a backup, but the thing about using a knife in a fight like that is that people expect you to use it first, they don't expect you to still treat every other part of your body as a weapon as well: if you treat the knife as just a slightly more lethal implement weapon while still using your other hand, elbows, knees, legs, etc.... it's a lot harder say it's a worse weapon in that instance.
Or unlucky. Might be better off dead in his eyes than having to suffer the rest of his life in prison which will hopefully happen. Gets the best of both punishments. A good ol stabbing and a good ol time out
She stabbed him in the back of the head. You have to have some force going to stab someone in the back of the head. A kitchen knife would have been much more useful but then we wouldn't get to hear his ridiculous rationalization.
Talpss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that he hasn't been arrested on something probably means there is more to this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely unrelated, did reddit make changes to the reporting system - AGAIN - so I can't make witty reports anymore such as "The ass is not a part of the respiratory system"?
Edit: Never mind, it's the nazi moderators who did this.
By the way, the ass is not part of the respiratory system.
Or a big whonking French chef knife which I have lying around from my college days. ONE stab from that mother and you're shaking hands with St. Peter. I still get the willies just using it to chop vegetables to this day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame really. I wish she had a gun.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, too much risk to hit the kid in that situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pocket knives your biggest threat to life is bleeding to death. One of my kitchen knives could go through the lung and come out the other side... Of an anorexic person, that is. Otherwise it'd probably just get through the lung. Pretty much instadeath either way though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a shame that she didn't. That kid is probably going to be fucked up for years even having experienced it at that young age before she could understand the gravity of what happened. That doesn't even touch the surface of how the mother feels. To be so selfish, deviant and disgusting to hurt another human being like he did, he deserved it. I hope he gets life in prison, which sounds ironic but its cheaper for us and is going to degrade his mind to the point where he wishes she had a bigger knife.
Chimpbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd wager it would depend upon the size of the pocket knife. Some of them can be rather large.
Not really. Prison has rules about that kind of stuff.
Blerbina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a guy get bayoneted to the head for like 2 minutes straight by ISIS, a shot to the forehead is what took him out so he would of lived for a bit. Still remember the thud his head made each time the he was hit...
I may be wrong about the details. The guy was my cellmate briefly. He is now in MCI Shirley. Maybe he plead to manslaughter, but we do not have self defence protection in MA.
AHrubik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his child raping ass would still be breathing
He won't be for long. Child rapists don't last long in prison. I don't support vigilante justice unless you're legitimately Batman but if it's going to happen I'm somewhat satisfied it happens to child rapists.
Obio1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like an appropriate response to me. Feel bad for the daughter, tho.
lthomazini ยท 3228 points ยท Posted at 15:06:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel bad for the daughter, but I'm glad she will grow up knowing what he did is not normal and that her mother will protect her no matter what. This is not usually what happens.
redditshy ยท 560 points ยท Posted at 15:13:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This! I wonder how long this had been happening and the daughter hadn't said anything because of what the boyfriend maybe made her believe? It should be clear to her now who was in the wrong, and that she can tell her mom if anyone tried to hurt her in the future.
Kind of unrelated but my best male friend that I used to live with, when someone was potentially trying to break into our house, immediately grabbed a bat and told me to stay in my room. It actually made me less worried about break-ins in the future because I knew he would defend us. It's really comforting to know that in a dangerous situation, someone's split-second instinct is to protect you.
Super unrelated, but any time my wife or kids think they hear a noise downstairs at night, I march down there like fucking Genghis Khan and check everything out. It's never anything but I just want them to know Dad's got this.
I have a sword in my bedroom I carry with me. Maybe it isn't a gun but I bet a 4'11 woman naked coming down the stairs with a steel sword would chase off most minor criminals.
Yeah right -- until he tells his buddies, and pretty soon all the crooks in the area are down in your kitchen, knocking a cup off the table just to see you come down the stairs naked before they scatter.
the_boomr ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
before they scatter
Right, cause they would just scatter...
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:58:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would think the shiny steel sword generates the "fear factor" you're looking for in chasing off a small-time thug. Hopefully her goal isn't to engage in actual battle.
Are metal bats better? I'd think a wooden one would absorb impact better.
Drachefly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:03:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stiffer, lighter. I think they're better overall than wooden bats.
divajedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possible? But for a smaller frame (OP IS 4'11") a metal bat would be much easier to swing while maximizing damage.
heffleyka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well metal bats are able to hit baseballs farther than wooden bats so is that due to the material used in making the baseball or the ability to swing the lighter bat faster? idk i hated physics class in highschool.
Swords are made to be swung and have about the same range as a bat. If you already have a sword I would think that would be the preferred weapon. They are also much lighter and so would be easier to swing and harder to catch because of the sharp bits.
Also bats are common and might not scare the person. Swords would definitely elicit a WTF is wrong with this person from me.
What kinda gauntlets though? You can do it with your bare hands, but leather gloves would be handy to stop your from cutting yourself.
Drachefly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, leather would do it for most handling, but if you give a really good whack, leather could leave you stung a lot more in the fingers than you would be with metal. And that's assuming it wasn't really quite sharp.
I doubt the sword could cut thru leather at all. Properly prepared leather is extremely tough.
And to be frank ideally you don't want metal on the bottom of the hand, it's hard to get a good grip on the sword when your hand and the sword are separated by metal.
Drachefly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
probably right - I was thinking of less tough leather than it can be made to be.
Charsatan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is not the same as a bat. And knights will not loot your house in the 21st century.
Serious and curious: have you held and swung a well made sword to compare with how a baseball bat feels? If so what's the difference?
Personally, I haven't, but theoretically I'd still go with the sword because it's more versatile, less likely to break, as another commenter said it has a bigger WTF factor, and I personally think swords are cooler than baseball bats. True, it has the downside of possibly getting stuck in things, if you swing it like a baseball bat, but it's not supposed to be used like that in the first place. Not primarily at least.
Edged swords, be it single or double edged, are most commonly meant to be swung in a slash movement for better cutting. That means holding the tip back a bit and pushing the center forwards and "down" a bit, whereas with a baseball bat you would swing with the tip "first" and on the outside for greater smashing force.
The versatility of a sword as opposed to a baseball bat comes in close combat, where a sword can be used for cutting, stabbing, smashing with the flat, and cannot easily be wrestled out of the holder's grasp. With a baseball bat, once your attacker is closer than swinging range your options are more limited. An attacker that is more powerful than you can also easily grab the bat and wrestle it out of your grasp.
Swords usually weigh around 1kg, with longswords coming to 1.5-2kg. Most women should be able to relatively easily handle a 1kg sword, especially if it is well balanced, and dexterity can be argued is as important as strength in sword fighting. And yes, there are martial arts classes these days which teach revived martial styles of swordfighting re-learned from manuscripts and treaties from medieval times.
I'd also imagine there's a reason why for thousands of years men have went to the battlefield with swords rather than bats.
Honestly? The bat wins in a home invasion situation. The average person doesn't know how to keep the geometry of a blade steady enough to correctly cut into a target nor do they know how to correctly leverage their body to get the most out of a edged weapon and that's before you add in stressors like realizing someone has broken into your house and may possible be armed. You mess up the angle of your swing by a 1/4 of an inch and a decently made vinyl jacket will mitigate much of the lethality of the weapon. Will it still injure the guy? Yeah but it'll be mostly superficial.
A bat or any blunt force weapon for that matter is pretty much idiot-proof. Even if you just flail wildly at an aggressor, it's going to cause plenty of physical harm. Additionally, the heavier wooden bat is actually better for people with less muscle strength because the weight of the bat does most of the work.
On top of that, you'd need an actual combat ready sword. Not some cheap wall hanger from the flea market. Talking $100-120 minimum and that's for a entry level katana, meant for single wrap tatami. European swords tend to cost even more.
Swords are definitely easier to swing. That is their whole purpose. They are about the same weight but the sword is weighted in the center to be fast and the bat is weighted at he far end to deliver max force. So not useful inside really. I'm not saying go get yourself a sword. But if she has one already it is definitively a better weapon than a bat. There is a reason they use machetes in Africa and not bats to scare the population. I'd be more scared of a kitchen knife than a bat inside.
Machetes in Africa were actually needed to navigate through the thick underbrush of jungles or thick vegetation areas where paths wouldn't otherwise exist, or would be overgrown quickly.
True, I wasn't implying Machetes were in Africa to scare people. Most folks around here have them for the same reason, woods tend to get overgrown.
I was trying to point out that on a scale of weapons, club is near the bottom. Since she already has a knife / sword then that is a superior thing to defend yourself with.
Clearly i'm really bored today since this is the conversation I am having.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:22:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
meubem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most swords I've seen at weeb houses are dull as fuck, like props. I doubt they'd cut anyone. A machete on the other hand would scare me proper. A baseball bat will fuck you up easily too. It can easily force concussions, cave in a skull, break bones.
Yeah, but a proper sharp sword is another thing. The main advantage of a sword being it's pointy and can be used to stop the aggressor from getting close.
meubem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a betting man I'd put money on most swords in America being prop replicas sold at comic conventions, and thus not sharp. I know real swords are sold here but I doubt they are as common as Final Fantasy and anime fanboy replicas.
Well yeah that goes without saying, if it's not a proper sword it's gonna be garbage. I'm just saying it's going to have pretty sizeable merits if it's an actual sword.
sacrecide ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:10:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just stab instead of slashing, its not like the robber has a sword/shield to block with.
Swords aren't really clunky. The only real risk of a sword getting stuck is in your opponent's body.
Given a bat is easier to use, but the sword is regardless more effective than the bat when you hit with the edge.(Which aint hard to do)
Also take into account that you can stab with most swords which is useful when you don't want whoever you're fighting to get close or if you're fighting in close confines.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figure that if you stab deep enough for a full sword to get stuck and become irretrievable then it's deep enough to cause significant blood loss.(Plus if you keep a firm grip they're likely to pull themselves off the blade in an attempt to escape)
I figure you use the same muscles to swing a sword and to swing a bat. I mean you could literally just think of a sword as a pointy bat.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a club(baseball bat) is a better weapon then why did people spend so much time and money developing swords for fighting? Why did they even bother if the club is a better weapon.
I'm inclined to trust thousands of years of warfare more than some 20 year old kid on Reddit. On top of that if every single person is disagreeing with you like in this thread you're probably not a genius who is right over everyone else, you're probably the one that's wrong.
If a club(baseball bat) is a better weapon then why did people spend so much time and money developing swords for fighting? Why did they even bother if the club is a better weapon.
I'm inclined to trust thousands of years of warfare more than some 20 year old kid on Reddit. On top of that if every single person is disagreeing with you like in this thread you're probably not a genius who is right over everyone else, you're probably the one that's wrong.
If a club(baseball bat) is a better weapon then why did people spend so much time and money developing swords for fighting? Why did they even bother if the club is a better weapon.
I'm inclined to trust thousands of years of warfare more than some 20 year old kid on Reddit. On top of that if every single person is disagreeing with you like in this thread you're probably not a genius who is right over everyone else, you're probably the one that's wrong.
AaronSF ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:23:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she should have stabbed him six times with a bat?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you! Do you keep your sword sharp? There are some classes that teach sword fighting martial arts based on studies of medieval manuals and treaties. If you do keep it sharp maybe you should look into some of those. Might reduce the risk of harming yourself if you wield the sword.
I don't know about you, but I'm a big and hefty man and I'm very likely to hurt myself or others if I were to wield a sharpened sword, especially in a stressful situation.
You can touch very sharp edges without getting cut as long as you only press down on the edge. The moment you slide along the edge even a little is when you get cut.
I plan on looking for some classes like that myself as soon as I get in better shape.
Judging from the other comment I guess some guys don't find this attractive in a woman. Thankfully, I'm not a guy. And I have excellent taste in ladies, if I do say so myself. You're fucking awesome.
I think that even more important is a very loud alarm. I'm alarmed by the ease with which women discuss physical aggression. The woman from the article has not proved anything regarding her ability to fight. 1) she was facing someone weak enough to go after a 12 year old. 2) foremost in the man's head is to convince the woman to not tell the cops. 3) He doesn't want to add any charges to what could be a de facto death sentence (child molester in prison). There is an irresponsible message going out to women in the western world "#badass". It's coming most notably from G of Ts, Wonder Woman(I guess, haven't seen WW), and perceptions of stories like this.
Many times I have heard a guy say something like that. The "#badass" seems like a new trend though. There is a good chance the girls at your gym have an understanding of the randomness of a violent encounter. I was reading on reddit of a guy who trained martial arts for 10 years after the Marines; he was charged at by a guy with a wrench at a construction site; he set up for a head kick and slipped on a screw - cracked his head. Luckily there was a bunch of folks there to restrain the attacker. That is why I mention a loud alarm - trying to help.
Keno - "But i can fight."
Splinter - "They fight because they must... but it is the last choice for the true ninja. Used unwisely, it becomes a double-edged sword. "
The first thing they teach you in any martial art is the best option is to just run away if you can. Only fight if you have to.
The #badass thing I'm not sure if you meant just pertained to women or what but there has been a surge in female protagonists types in media recently, most notably characters like arya stark, brienne, Wonder Woman, Jessica jones etc.
Now does that give females a false idea of their combat abilities, perhaps. Probably as much as guys get. Like Mac from Philadelphia. Jabroni thinks he could do a backflip into a spinning kick and knock out three guys. But in reality would pee themselves.
But I'm def a fan of girls wanting to know how to protect themselves and kick ass if necessary, so if that inspires some girls to train then I'm all for it. I know if I have daughters, they'll get stuck in BJJ training until they are at least purple belts
I'm a fan too. Had to pull teeth with my mom to get her to a free self defense class. BJJ is miles away from an incredibly small woman threatening a home invader with a sword and her nudity.
Yes #badass pertains to the recent surge in women protagonists, anti heros, and villains. I use the hashtag a bit mockingly. The message is insidious; in this thread the fact that the woman is under 5' is ... I don't know... celebrated? As part of her martial prowess?
I gave advice regarding a loud alarm and was down voted.
Single.mom here but I have a taser and a butcher knife and NO ONE is getting to my child. Or my dogs. Maybe my Chihuahua cause she's like a bat out of hell. With the two of us no single male could take us. There's something about the boiling rage of a threat to your child that turns off everything but your will to protect. I'm a short small woman but my butcher knife is long and I was ready the day my kid was born.
Smart thinking having that Chihuahua on the team. He'll distract and confuse them, but sounds they couldn't catch him if they tried. Gives you time to plan your assault.
j_B00G ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:37:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both my mom and my dad did this for us. Now I tell my dad to chill because "I got this pops"
janbrunt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:13:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had just moved into our house and we heard a banging sound downstairs. My husband creeped downstairs, pistol in hand... to discover the washing machine was unbalanced.
Last night I was struggling to get to sleep and just as I drifted off, my dog (usually very quiet) started barking hysterically downstairs. I jumped out of bed expecting my boyfriend to be right there in front of me when I switch the bedroom light on. Instead, he slowly takes his eye mask off and ask me what's up. I tell him that I think something is going on downstairs and he just says "huh?". Frustrated with his nonchalance, I run downstairs alone ready to fight someone with my bare hands (the baseball bat was on my boyfriends side of the bed tucked into the back of the mattress) and I hasten to mention I am only 5'1 and not really up for the challenge but fuck it my safety is being compromised.
Luckily, he was just barking at the window so I guess he heard a cat or fox outside and so I didn't actually have murder anyone. Good to know I'm protected...
HeughJass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SuperDuper unrelated, I'm really craving some soda but I'm trying to be healthy so either I drink it and feel bad or I don't drink it and I crave it and feel bad. Woooo๐
My roommate has only seen me naked one time, and it was because a minor earthquake caused a glass to fall off the counter downstairs. I didn't feel the earthquake but the glass breaking woke me up, and I was downstairs with my pistol before she could get to her door. Doubt she'll ever get tired of telling me "how fucking ridiculous I look holding a gun without any pants on"
I'm a single mom and when I hear a noise at night I freak out but still go out there with my heart in my hand and check it out. I'm so easily scared because what could weak old me do!! But still gotta do it.
feralsun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gosh. You just gave me memories of my dad running out at night in his underwear with a machete. This was in central America. There was growling. Turned out a pack of dogs was mauling a street pony. Dad rescued the pony. My family nursed it back to health, and gave it to an old man who loved it as a pet.
yes. as a social worker I can tell you that trauma when handled properly can make people stronger rather than weaker. And immediately doing something about it, letting the victim know it is a big deal and not normal, and providing protection and support is the best thing a mother can do in this situation. Not what I would have recommended but a strong showing none the less.
I think no one would recommend it, but it is hard to judge given the context. I myself wouldn't know what to do. Specially because even though the knife would put her and her kid in danger if it was grabbed by the man, only pushing him over would put them in far greater danger. He was caught in the act and he reacted, but if she wasn't armed he may have reacted far worse.
As a social worker, can you tell us a bit of what usually happens?
ussally people don't catch the abuser in the act like this. It comes out later from the kid. And in that case some people call the police some don't right away. Sometimes the kid reports to a teacher or something in which case police and child services are called.
I've never personally come across a case where a sexual abuser was caught in the act. For physical abuse the other parent while call the police and leave. Or fight them. or normalize it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I said this above somewhere. Justice was served, and the daughter will remember that. Too infrequent are the reports of people repelling attackers.
I wouldn't say that. It's just when we hear about a mother's boyfriend doing something so heinous, it so often that we hear that the mother was complicit. I don't think it's a "usually what happens" scenario, though.
I didn't mean that the mother is always complicit. Sometimes the mother doesn't know, sometimes she doesn't live with the kids, sometimes she is complicit because she is abused herself to the point where she has no strength to do anything... there are hundreds of possibilities. Being protected the way this kid was is not what usually happens, that's all.
I think that this is the best way for her to have responded. That mom and daughter will hopefully grow up to have the best closest most empowering relationship ever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope she (the mom) doesn't get charged (yep, nanny America is a zero tolerance state, unless you are a cop)
It's not a "zero tolerance state," defending someone like this is a valid affirmative defense and a prosecutor wouldn't bother charging because it's pretty cut and dry, and on a more superficial level this has enough public attention that it would be career suicide.
Orennovs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Shows her mother cares.
squidgun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I've read too many stories of mothers taking the boyfriend's side . I'm glad the mother did what she had to do to protect her daughter.
I knew a girl growing up that said that for a few years her mom would frequently let her (the mom's) boyfriend rape her (the preteen daughter) because that was the only way to keep him from dumping her (the mom). What a messed up world we live in.
deadred75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had someone defend me like that when I was younger. Mother/sisters I told let it go on. Finally years later when I told my dad he went after him and stopped it. Messed me up for a very long time.
One of the big things that I teach my kids, is that a grown up should never ever ask them to keep a secret from mom and dad, if they do it's because they're trying to hurt someone and they need to tell us right away. And that if anyone ever tells them that anyone in our family would get hurt, that it's a lie because no ones stronger than mom and dad.
This shits way more important than "stranger danger" since most abusers are someone they know.
We keep telling kids to be scared of strangers and forget to prepare them for people close by. I'm not telling they should not be aware of strangers, but most cases of abuse are perpetrated by someone from their own family.
When I was little, my mother didn't leave me alone with any man besides my father, in whom she had complete faith. Not an uncle, not a friend. She also didn't put me in anyone's lap. I was allowed not to hug someone if I didn't feel comfortable as well. We push kids into people's intimacy even when they don't want and they can't distinguish what is right or wrong.
Read again. It says she stabbed him in a fit of rage when she saw him naked on top of her daughter. That is literally in the moment. Even if it was directly after he tried to rape the daughter, it is definitely okay. Unless you want your daughter to know that after someone has tried to rape you, you just call the cops and politely ask them to stop and leave. Ya...no
Heh. I ordered this surplus Russian army "courier bag" on eBay. It was horribly stiff and somehow looked super ugly yet still like a purse at the same time.
Wasp knife? You know, the one they use in diving? You stab the fucker, press the button and a whole co2 goes straight inside and makes (so they say) an air pocket in size of basketball, which should make nice mess if u push it in head od lungs, doesnt matter tbh..
A knife is worst weapon, he can easily overpower her and take the weapon. It's not like people have stabbing training. A gun is only way.
sukazu ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:15:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm not saying it's the case, but is no one fearfull that a crazy woman could literally kill you, and say you were raping her daughter, and somehow endoctrine her to testify, and absolutly no one would look into it ?
KJ6BWB ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:39:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there's circumstantial evidence, like the level of engorgement, presence of semen, the guy actually saying that he did it because the daughter wanted it (which he actually said), etc.
iamjamieq ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:52:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely no one would look into it? Do you have any clue how the legal system works? They don't just take the testimony of a 12 year old and her mother as the only evidence of what happened. An investigation would be done. How much they investigate I can't say. And sure, the testimonies would be held in very high regard. But to say absolutely no one would look into it is ridiculous.
To answer your question about being fearful, no, I'm not. I mean, I'm fearful that someone could kill me, but, frankly, I'm not as concerned with what would happen to them after I'm dead because, well, I'd be dead. Yeah, I can say I would prefer my family and friends find justice for me being killed, but personally something being done about it afterward isn't what I'm fearful of.
sukazu ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I do not know how the legal system that change between a lot of countries, specifically works for things I never got subjected to.
I'm not specifically talking about this case aswell
What if the mother say, when she got in the bedroom you were trying to forcefully undress her daughter, while having her tied down, or even that you forced her into oral ? And she was extremely terrified and stabed you fearful for her and her daugters life ?
What possible investigation can be done ? only 3 peoples knows the truth, you can't look for trace of sexual abuse because the mother never said that you actually did it, then what, what happends ?
Not fearful someone can kill me, not fearfull also to get stabed, escape get judged as a pedophile, have your mother be known as the mother of that sick pedophile ? Have everyone on the internet throw shit at you ? no fear about how they gonna treat you as a child rapist in prison also ?
That's some balls of steel
iamjamieq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An investigation would be done. Always. There may not be traces of sexual assault, but there would likely be traces of tying the daughter down, such as abrasions to the skin at her wrists, etc. Forensic investigators can find evidence we wouldn't ever think of in our whole lives.
Now, if you're fearful of that scenario you outlined actually happening, you're honestly worrying yourself for next to nothing. I mean, how often does that scenario actually happen in this world? Obviously that can't be answered by nature of the scenario. But if you don't ever date a woman with a daughter, you're already not going to be in that scenario. At least that one exactly. I mean, the idea that someone would be fearful of this kind of thing happening without that person thinking they may potentially get themself into that situation in the first place, that's just crazy to me. It doesn't take balls of steel to not be fearful of that happening. It's called being aware of things that could get you there. Starting with, who are you dating? Are they the kind of person who would do that sort of thing? Is there anything in your relationship that she might find as reason to do that to you? Honestly, you should worry about real threats, unless this is a real threat to you, in which case you need to find your way out of a situation where you find this to be a threat.
Also, if this actually did happen to you, you need to speak to someone who can help.
The girl underwent a sexual assault examination at MetroHealth, the report says, the article says. So this time it wasn't a crazy woman doing crazy things, but a crazy man doing crazy things.
Generally speaking, I don't think it's something you should live in fear of, but it's something you should try to prevent. Do not date crazy, do not hang out with them. You'll lose out on the fun they bring, on the crazy sex, and on the murder/slander stabbings.
Sorry, that was my point. That you likely wouldn't end up in jail, because generally things like this are covered by the law, and if not, a judge and jury aren't going to convict a person for killing the person who's raping their child. I mean, it should be pretty explicitly stated in any set of laws that murder is bad, but killing child rapists caught in the act isn't murder.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:35:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another factor is the likelihood of personal harm or death resulting from finding the person in the act. That person may not run, especially if they don't perceive you as a physical threat. They're already demented enough to be in the act, so it's reasonable to think that you might be killed if you don't stop them. You're not trained to stop them without a weapon, and not trained for emergency situations. You're just a civilian who happens to have a knife, and you're using it to defend yourself and a child against further harm of an unknown extent.
Nekopawed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:40:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to say sorry, was just confirming what you said. Also, look up jury nullification. :) it's basically what you're describing.
Heh, I'm already aware of it, though anyone who isn't should look it up. I think it needs to be taught in civics, along with exactly what you can and can't do as a member of a jury. Far to many people are woefully uneducated when it comes to the law, and we end up with poor decisions from juries because of it. Something I think is rather intentional.
I mean, the guy talking about chasing the dude down to kill him would go to jail. But if he still poses an imminent danger to your daughter, he's fair game.
Redditors. They're slow to learn and have a thing for little kids.
Xytal ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 14:54:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can sprint pretty fast, but if all else fails, I donโt mind damaging my car to run the person down.
Source: Am father with 2 year old daughter.
CajuNerd ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:05:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dad of a 5 y/o daughter, and I can't imagine what I'd do in the blind rage I'd exhibit if someone even touched my daughter the wrong way. I'm not fast, but I'll be damned if I wouldn't run my feet into nubs to catch a sumbitch who assaulted my little girl.
Xytal ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:08:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldnโt agree more. I feel like Iโd turn into the Joker from The Dark Knight if some bastard touched my daughter.
As the father of a 7 year old daughter, I'm enraged right now by a theoretical dude inappropriately touching her. Like on the verge of tears enraged. He'd be flayed.
CajuNerd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:06:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, bud. I'll overhear parents at the grocery store being shitty to their kids and it'll make me want to go to my car, pull out my jumper cables, and beat them.
That's what separates the good parents from the bad; we love, to a certain extent at least, everyone's kids.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:47:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you never got to feel protected by your father.
You'll know once/if you have your own child how it should feel.
Your dad is the problem here, not you.
Hope you're okay.
CajuNerd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:04:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so, so sorry you had/have a shitty dad. Nobody's perfect, and we can only do the best we can, but no one deserves to not have parents who would die for them. I would give up everything for my little girl.
Some people are just broken, I guess. I know it's hard not to be jaded, but know that having shitty parents is never the child's fault, and you can be everything he wasn't.
tvtb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why people are acquitted of acts they definitely did because "temporary insanity."
Ain't no jury in America would convict a dad for killing their child's rapist caught in the act. Just don't go hunting them down days later.
Yes as a dad with a 2 year old myself, there isn't a force powerful enough in the universe to stop me from hunting down the person who hurts my daughter...
I realize that...let me put it to you this way, if someone raped your child, would you ever stop looking for that person? Or would you just give up after a few weeks and so "oh well, I guess he got away"...that's all I'm saying, I'm not trying to talk tough and act like a badass or anything, I'm just saying, if someone ever hurts my daughter, I wouldn't stop trying to find that person until the day I died...
Hahaha ๐ hey I never said that I would find him...odds are probably wouldn't (like you said life isn't a movie) but so help me God I wouldn't stop looking...but you are probably right...maybe I have seen taken one too many times ๐
You, sir, our obviously not a father, because once you have a kid of your own, from the moment you are holding that living thing that you helped create in your arms, you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you would do literally anything to keep your child safe...
Some parents wear the "having a kid changed my life, I'm a dad/mom/etc" thing like a tattoo on the forehead. Some parents go out and drink, leaving their kids home alone.
Ouch, that is pretty harsh, especially since you don't even know me, but you are entitled to your opinion. personally though, I like to think that it wouldn't just be "some" but rather all parents in general, because as I said, the first time you hold your child in your arms you feel that instant, unconditional love for your child, literally a piece of you...I like to think that there isn't a parent out there that wouldn't do anything for their child's safety...
Ugh, just that feeling of that 'crunch' running over a pedo for the first time would be soooooo satisfying. And then, when they're incapacitated from so many broken bones and internal bleeding; you get out, take their face and put it on the back wheel (or front wheel if your car has FWD) and burn rubber. Make em look like two face.
swiper33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're not just doing this to be edgy, please seek help. You sound like a disturbing person
If thats disturbing to you, man the fuck up cause youre on the internet. Theres literally a sub called /r/watchpeopledie, and no, not subbed to it. Also, its a gag, look at my username. Hope no one else triggers you today.
swiper33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an awful novelty account. Nice try to look badass on the internet man, you're really impressing everyone.
Not a novelty account, just a pun based on my username. Its original name is because Im on reddit so much Im not just killing time Im murdering it. But anyways thanks mr social justice warrior, Ill be more careful when making jokes on the internet about killing pedophiles.
swiper33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
social justice warrior
Christ, you kids use the word every time someone calls you out for being cringey, it's really losing it's meaning at this point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knock him down and put a tire over his thigh, and leave it there until the police arrive. After all, you aren't trained in restraining someone, and didn't want him to get away. Not sure if he'd walk on it again. Maybe on his groin instead.
muchado88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is up with you and your cynical-realism-edgelord bullshit? Do you really think you're being the sober voice of reason here? The calm, collected one to call others out on their delusions? To make them reflect on their own mediocrity? Are you just that much smarter than all of these parents? Just that much more self-aware?
It is realistic--REALISTIC--to know that humans do incredible things when driven. That is wisdom. The rage a parent would feel on behalf of a hurt child counts as 'driven'.
I'm pretty sure that case went that way because the father beat him to death immediately after catching him with his daughter, making it defense of a third party or even diminished capacity. I'm pretty sure if you plan to and track down your child's abuser and kill them you will go to jail.
That being said, I would still track that person down and kill them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He may be faster than me. But noone I've ever heard of can out run a 300 win mag....
julbull73 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually not neccesarily, there was a case in Texas where a Dad found one of his workers raping his daughter. He killed him right then and there with his hands.
Of note, take a look at Reddit for example. Reddit is probably the most left leaning, softy, pinko, group of people I know. Nobody disagrees with this womans action.
forsayken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I was just kidding. I've read numerous stories over the years of parents or other people basically slaughtering or at the very least beating the living shit out of someone abusing someone else and they weren't charged or any charges were dismissed. I am grateful this is the case. We always hear so many bad things about the justice system.
Also, as a dad, I always say I'd go Frank Castle on anyone that hurts my daughter. Let this comment be evidence in the future to my motives, if I ever have to.
impshial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also as a dad, you find that you're more than capable of doing something you would never consider doing in normal settings. I've been in that situation, and never want to be in it again.
musckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The criminal Justice system often fails. My daughter would be scarred for life and always looking over her shoulder. It would be selfish of me to kill that mean, of course. And I didn't say fuck all about morals and ethics. But at the very least, she'd rest assured at least one piece of shit is taken out of this world.
Killing a rapist currently in action is good, killing one afterwards that that slipped through the justice system is pretty questionable but intentionally killing him slowly is straight up bad.
If you want to do it to do the world a favor you cant allow yourself to take pleasure in sadistic acts like he did.
musckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't dedicate my life to this shit. I dedicate my life to raising my daughter as best I can, and I try doing nothing but putting value into the world in hopes of building a slightly better one for my daughter and all my loved ones.
I don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder, nor do I wear rose tinted glasses. But I do try to be a good ass mofo as much as humanly possible. An event like this is the last time I'd ever want to happen, and I don't spend evenings contemplating what I would do in a scenario like this. Dear goodness, it's the last thing I'd ever want to happen out of all the nightmare scenarios that could possibly exist...
Honest question, if you feel you stabbing someone who raped your daughter is justified, you should be content if the parent of a boy your daughter falsely accused of rape stabbed your daughter, right? That only seems fair.
you should be content if the parent of a boy your daughter falsely accused of rape stabbed your daughter, right? That only seems fair.
No, but I would agree if the boy was actually raped by the daughter in question. I believe that false accusation for rape is a very serious crime which deserves exposure and significant consequences, but I do not agree that it is an equal crime to the actual act of rape.
Being raped ruins the girls life (potentially, sometimes people are strong enough to resume living well), but going to prison for 20 years and being labelled a sex offender, eventually ruining any prospects of a decent job or having a family falsely ruins your life 100%.
But in the case of when someone gets raped, most people take their side, but when someone gets falsely accused of rape, nearly everyone takes the accusers side. They are at least equally terrible things in my opinion.
I am in no way a rapist sympathiser, and think they are terrible people, but at least they can regret the terrible thing they did once when they were young and stupid. Someone who falsely accuses someone of rape actively lies for decades with the purpose of ruining someones life
musckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck do you jump to a conclusion like that?
I think any woman who makes a false rape accusation should have the book THROWN at her. I'm vehemently opposed to ruining innocent peoples' lives.
Your statement about false accusations being seriously punished is exactly in line with what I was saying. You are aggressively agreeing with me. I just brought up the stabbing thing because OP did
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:11:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was too big, she would have stabbed her daughter through the man
Off topic, but I was listening to a podcast where they were talking about the prequels, and how dumb it was that they used the word "youngling" for child, but they still used the term "girlfriend"
I admit to not being super up on the prequels but according to wookiepedia, a youngling is any child of any species, whereas Jedi younglings are what you're talking about.
Well, I keep a dumbbell by my bed but never remember to use it. Want to do at least 2 full w eeks, no breaks, at 8 pounds, before I go to 10.
As for the book, well, the thing is, after Dowager Queen Elaine (just means she was the king's consort and he's dead, not that she's old) runs her hands up the back of Kira the wood witch's thighs, she grabs hold of what's above them to pull herself up and in, and I'm unsure what to call what's above that would best fit the scene.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the sound of it opening would have fun to listen to over the screams of it's victims...unlike in starwars where there is no screaming...
RDay ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Methinks he will not have a pleasant stay in the penitentiary. Plus, even if she is justified in killing him, (she is) could be pretty traumatic for her and the child.
Whether or not the child is his child, prison inmates AND security personnel have no love lost for convicted child molesters. Killing the boyfriend would just harm the 12 year old girl mentally/emotionally further than the rape.
I'm a very skinny guy, but in he right places, like my belly area, a 5 inch knife could get pretty close to going all the way through me. Probably would take an 8 inch to go through my chest, but 5 or 6 down near my kidneys would be plenty.
I'm sure after this she will start carrying around a larger knife.
tuketu7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it sounds like he wrested the knife away from her and attacked both her and the daughter with it before the cops came... so maybe it's okay that it was just a pocket knife.
So I'm not an expert, but from what I've seen about using a knife defensively, a small blade isn't that big a problem. The problem is that you want to slash in order to maximize the chance of hitting muscles and connective tissue which will basically "deactivate" the body's ability to move itself and keep fighting, instead of stabbing, where you have to get very lucky and hit something important.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The upside is her daughter didn't have to witness rape and murder in the same day.
I mean, it is better to not kill someone in front of your children, if you can manage that.
Eziekel13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So jury nullification? (for the woman) meaning that she did the crime but no one on the jury wants to give a guilty verdict...
edit: never discuss jury nullification in court
nemo1080 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prob still big enough to cut his dick off tho.
The only effective treatment for pedos.
Would you rather have papercuts on every inch of your body, or one sword stab? Probably the sword stab, since you'd die quicker with less pain. The same probably goes for a pocket knife versus a large kitchen knife. I'm no doctor or blade studier or anything though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah, hurt him as much as possible then let his other inmates in prison take over for her. maybe stabbing was too light a punishment though, giving him 3rd degree burns might have been more fitting
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she used a bigger knife he might have died instead of going to prison where he should rot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I strongly disagree. I dont think it is the place of civilians to inflict retribution - that is the job of the law.
Having said that, it's an absolutely reasonable response to have and he definitely deserves much worse. I am anti death sentence but people like this deserve worse than prison.
Reddit is so god damn liberal until it comes to being armchair vigilantes. Does no one understand justice? It isn't about what someone "deserves," it's about recieveing the law designated punishment
In a functioning society that has to be upheld and admistered through the law and the criminal justice system, no doubt, but nobody in their right mind would argue that outcome is always fair and just.
It's more than fair to wish that someone god a harsher or milder punishment without wishing for a society of vigilante justice.
Yet in this case none of that matters, the guy was a clear threat and the knife wasn't sufficient to end the acute threat, as evident by him breaking through the front door after being pushed outside.
More force would have been entirely appropriate without being in any way outside of the philosophical or legal definition of justice.
This comment led me on a path of discovery, for I have only ever read "indict" phonetically, or heard it pronounced "indited", but never together. I now recognize this ignorance, and am grateful to have had no particular use for legal speech in my daily life that would have exposed it unwittingly. Presently I commit myself to reeducation, and if I ever misread this word again, it will not be from ignorance but rather by fault.
And hopefully this drawn out comment will force me to remember.
benjom6d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It actually does rhyme with convict, just not convict the verb. It rhymes with convict as in a person who has been convicted.
Well, given the article I just read about that 17 year old being tried as an adult for taking nude pictures of himself, I'm sure the prosecutor will find the 12 guilty of this. /s
Like, realistically, who are they "trying to help" here?
They just charged a minor, for sexually abusing himself? And then opted to try him as an adult, when the entire point is that he was a minor... Who abused himself... By taking a photograph of his own penis... At 17 years old...
In reality, I understand that our justice system is corrupt, and whether by broken laws, or judges just receiving money for every guilty charge, innocent people are found guilty on purpose all the time, but who is this "supposed to help?" What fake reasoning could possibly be construed to justify calling a teenager a pedophile for looking at his own naked body?
The US system is heavily based on the English system to the point (albeit rare) that if there exists no controlling US law we default to English common law... that's right... dudes with funny wigs from the time before George Washington passed air into his lungs
dvrzero ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:09:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*except in Louisiana, where it defaults to French common law instead of English common law
Yeah I'm all for this guy getting what he deserves, but vigilantism isn't a great thing to encourage. On the other hand, I think she could argue she was acting in self defense on behalf of her daughter
I'm not saying she did something wrong necessarily, but you shouldn't just decide someone is guilty based on what a platform that makes money off exaggerating and twisting things to seem a certain way
I'll see if I can find it, but here in Texas a few years ago the same thing happened when a man killed someone in the act of raping his daughter and he got off free. But this is also Texas, so...
then you shouldn't be on a jury. you should be properly dismissed as a biased juror...
VanSaxMan ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part about this is the Mom will most likely get charged still. Which really. kicks ya in the gut, since if this was my kid the guy wouldn't have been around to tell his side of the story.
Probably not, especially since it didn't seem to be life threatening injuries. The guy was able to return to the house and kick the door open, for instance. It seems like a clear cut case of defending the safety of a child, using enough force to stop him, but not to kill him. I doubt she'll be charged, and if she is, it will never make it to trial, and if it does, no jury would convict her, and if they did, the judge would never give her a prison sentence.
He's going to jail, though.
Gahvynn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In her own house she used force to stop an attack on another person.
If she had killed him the likely-hood of her getting charges would be low, in this case I say next to zero.
The problem would be if the daughter told her of the attack the next day and the mom attacked him after that when nobody was in danger.
VanSaxMan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:05:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is for sure, what also makes me smile in a mild karma way is prison folk do not take kindly to people of this ilk. Hopefully what goes around will certainly come around for this piece of shit!
swandor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always see this being said about how people in prison react to these cases, but is that actually true?
VanSaxMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah! It's kinda weird prison social culture but if one thing is true child rapist/pedophiles are pretty much the scum of the prison world. Even to murderers and other bad folk!
Imo, rape is rape. Its always fucked up. And it all just perpetuates itself.
WriterV ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's still encouraging rape. Which we really shouldn't be doing.
We don't have to coddle our prisoners. But that doesn't mean we should torture them either. Prison is to separate them from society and rehabilitate them if possible.
Assuming the stabbing stopped when he retreated and she didn't chase him down the street to finish the job, I think whatever it took to stop the assault was reasonable.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, but in the states even that can have consequences unfortunately. Definitely not a perfect system.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not convict, but still charged. It's definitely not a perfect system that's for sure.
She won't be found guilty for that charge though though. She will no doubt receive an initial charge of attempted homicide, but provided the womans claim that the man was on top of her child and naked can be suggested without reasonable doubt then the charge will be changed to justifiable attempted homicide - it'll still have to go on a record, but it won't be a criminal conviction.
She won't be charged...certainly not for attempted homicide. If the events happened the way they are described in the article, it is clear that she was defending the welfare of a child. Like self-defense. If she'd gone back a day later and did it again, sure. But in the heat of he moment, this is not an indictable crime.
She may well have the charge of attempted homicide brought against her depending on the boyfriend's account and representation (I never said she would be charged for it, just that she will receive the charge), it doesn't help that the mother and daughter have different accounts of the event. In any case, if she does receive an initial charge and events are as the mother describes then that charge will be dropped in favour of a justifiable homicide (non-indictable, as you say); in spite of this, it will go on record that she tried to kill her boyfriend, just not a criminal record.
Edit: having a charge brought against you and being charged with a crime are not the same thing, please know this. A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding that when I say "she will have a charge brought against her" as "she will be charged".
First, he's not dead. Second, no one would have ever faulted her for killing him if he was indeed in the act of raping her daughter. She'd get a medal, not a black mark. Third, I agree that the facts need to be sorted, but if it is as it appears, stabbing him in the act of raping a child is not an indictable offense.
"Attempted homicide". Getting stabbed repeatedly tends to fall into this category. The boyfriend will almost certainly push for that charge.
Second and third. As I've repeatedly said she will never be convicted of it. So long as the mother and child's stories match up. The problem, as I will reiterate once more, is that because their stories don't match that fucker of a paedophile will push for a charge of attempted homicide. The mother will have this charge brought against her by the boyfriends legal representation. However, in court this charge won't stand and any decent judge will deem it as a justifiable act: a non indictable action.
It will still go on record, but not as a criminal conviction. AKA not a black mark.
You don't sue for attempted homicide. It's not a civil charge. The police decide to indict her or not based on the evidence, which both of us have already said still needs to be sorted.
Justifiable anything isn't a charge, it's a reason for not indicting someone. The police won't even recommend charges to the DA, and they certainly won't push to do so. It will only go on record (not as a conviction) if she's arrested and processed.
VanSaxMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As many other have replied, she will. It's due process. She did commit an assault. Now when looking at that it will be determined as justified cause and most likely not prosecuted for it. But even the charge on record can have negative consequences down the road for her.
rugtoad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words:prosecutorial discretion. She won't be charged, it would be a tremendous waste of resources to do so and the prosecutor will certainly recognize that. There is no law compelling prosecutors to bring charges against someone in a case like this though.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I was not aware of this. Interesting and scary all at once. Interesting that we would have an option like this in the legal system. Understandably so though, since our legal system takes forever as is to process someone and would take exponentially longer if EVERY crime was processed. Scary that it somewhat undermines the concept of a justice system if a person or persons has the ability to essentially just not charge someone by their discretion. Or am I wrong on that one? Either way good to know.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes perfect sense to have this.
First off, bear in mind that a district attorney/prosecutor is part of an elected office. They are held accountable by the people they represent. Their oath-of-office also implores them to provide aggressive representation of the people and prosecute offenders to the best of their ability.
Where "discretion" comes in, though...that allows them to acknowledge a weak case. It doesn't let them abdicate all responsibility to prosecute criminal offenders, just to pass on cases they know they can't win.
The point is simply to allow them to focus limited resources where they are needed most, and where they are most effective. Look at this case from a perspective of utility: Was what this woman did "criminal" behavior? Is there substantial evidence to support a justification defense, such as self-defense?
Is this woman likely to stab other people in the future? Will time in the penal system properly "rehabilitate" her such that it would prevent it? Will prosecuting her prevent other people from stabbing others?
The most important question is simply one of viability...is there enough evidence indict her for a crime and subsequently to convince a jury to return a guilty verdict?
If a prosecutor doesn't believe they can even get an indictment, then it's a case for discretion. Prosecutors joke that they can indict a ham sandwich if you let them try, the grand jury process is heavily slanted toward the prosecution.
But even if they think they can convince them, if they don't believe a jury would convict, it's a pretty telling problem. On top of that, if they don't believe that the penal system would be an appropriate place for the alleged offender, then why are they pursuing the case at all? No parent will be deterred from reacting passionately and violently to seeing their kid getting attacked. This woman hasn't demonstrated a propensity for violence which doesn't exist in pretty much everyone else who cares deeply about another person.
Prosecutors who misuse discretion are almost always called on it and usually compelled to act by public and political pressure. It's not a tool they can easily corrupt, at least not with cases that garner any sort of publicity. Usually, if a prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute a viable case...they deliberately fumble the grand jury indictment. That's a lot easier and lets them cast blame somewhere else.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for that. I had a real hard on for legal debates and such back in school but didn't want to go through 10+ years before being able to go to the BAR (legal bar). Now in this case if the guy who got stabbed decided to press charges would that effect the previous charges the Mom may or may not have been charged with or different legal instance?
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Pressing charges" is sort of a myth. In most cases, "pressing charges" means you're filing a police report and nothing more, the prosecutor still ends up deciding whether or not to pursue a criminal conviction against someone.
In many cases (especially felonies), though, it's not even a choice the victim gets to make. If the police can gather enough evidence to sustain an indictment, your desire as a victim not to press charges can and likely will be completely ignored. It's usually a whole lot easier for a prosecutor to get a conviction if you play ball, sure...but they don't need your permission to or your report.
This tends to confuse a lot of people who get involved in domestic disputes...a battered housewife will show up "the morning after" and inform the police that she isn't pressing charges. The police will say "That's fine and dandy, but we are" and the case marches right along. Simply put, the law recognizes that victims of certain crimes are not at all equipped to decide whether or not the perpetrators should face the justice system.
zaccus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:08:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you're allowed to use deadly force to stop a rape in progress. IANAL but I would be surprised otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deadly force is only justified when faced in a lethal situation ie the rapist had a gun or weapon
The murderer wouldnt be slammed with the book by any means, and more often than not get dismissed or a very light sentence. But deadly force (by a 3rd party)to prevent rape is illegal in blunt terms.
zaccus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in State v. Melchior, 56 Ohio St. 2d 15 (1978), the Ohio Supreme Court established the elements of self-defense in a case where the accused actually used deadly force. There, the Ohio Supreme Court held that the accused who used deadly force must show: (1) that he was not at fault in creating the situation giving rise to the affray; (2) that he had a bona fide belief that he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, and that his only means of escape from such danger was the use of such force; and (3) he did not violate any duty to retreat to avoid the danger.
If a person believes that a family member or other person, even a stranger, is in imminent danger of bodily harm, then that person may use reasonably necessary force to defend that other person, to the same extent that the other person would be entitled to act in self-defense. See State v. Williford, 49 Ohio St. 3d 247 (1990).
Charging her is appropriate as she violently attacked another person. However, it is likely that as guardian of a minor being assaulted, she will be found not guilty of any crime, unless there are further details we don't know about yet.
You're right. 2 stabs would have been reasonable to stop the rape, but 6??? What the hell is she thinking??? Clearly she used excessive force to stop that little girl from being raped. Lock her up
Awayfone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:34:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was there a murder? Also, if you walked in on a naked man about to rape your 12 year old daughter, would your immediate thought process be "I need to get this man to a fair trial, legalities and all" or would it be "I'm gonna fuck this guy up"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, you just said a 12 year old could have just been unable to consent due to statutory age, you're not worth talking to.
JBSLB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disagree, not appropriate response, should have killed him. that would be appropriate response. That poor girl will have to deal with that trauma for the rest of her life.
zeroGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like an appropriate response to me.
I don't know, I think we need to get a professional opinion in here. Mills Lane?
Very much... he's just lucky she didn't actually kill him. I don't think a jury would be very hard on her even to that extreme, let alone this. His "justification" just makes him look even worse.
Imagine what mother felt. She's probably devastated.
I feel sooo bad for poor girls. Fuck. The world is cruel. I hope that piece of garbage will be raped in prison daily until he dies there. Fuck.
Nik_Tesla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. First you're being raped, obviously really bad situation already. Then your mom stabs the rapist, and then proceed to beat the shit out of each other until she throws him outside. Then he kicks the fucking door down and they continue fighting.
Well a lot of people go through various forms of trauma, it's the way the traumatic incident is handled that can make or break a person. I think in this case her mother has acknowledged that she recognizes the girls abuse, doesn't accept or normalize it, and is willing to protect her from her abuser.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went from, "oh, just some casual domestic violence," to, "should've strangled him too," real fucking quick on that headline.
Her mom's a badass. I think she'll be okay in the end.
YMDBass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, just thought about how bad this is for her and how much therapy she'll need. Mom killed dad in front of her while she was being sexually abused by dad. On top of that, she'll have the guilt that her dad is dead because of her and her mom is in jail because of her (not that either of those things are correct, just thinking about how children process this kind of information).
Hold your horses there. If she stabbed him to prevent him from harming the 12-year-old girl, then yes it is an appropriate response. If she stabbed him after the act was committed as revenge or punishment, then this is an inappropriate and likely illegal response. We can't have every knife-wielding civilian dispensing justice at their pleasure.
emfrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is inappropriate, because of the daughter! She not only was raped, but witnessed someone almost killed. Multiplied PTSD.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stories like these should just come with mandatory gofundme links. Then you can feel sorry in a meaningful way ;)
catsan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lasting damage largely depends on how the justice and medical system treat her, as well as her immediate social environment.
NapClub ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:56:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
excited is the wrong word.
i just think people who abuse children should be castrated.
also when you see someone actively raping your daughter you can get away with a lot without being charged, so it was a good chance to end the threat this guy poses to the population.
not generally a fan of vigilante justice because mistakes can be made, but if you find the guy in the midst of raping your daughter there is no mistake.
This is why everyone should keep a gun in there house or concealed carry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's interesting to think about. If she had a gun, maybe she could have threatened him with it and gotten him to stop without any violence, then called the cops and had him thrown in prison.
I didnt read to the end, but as far as I got it didn't say anything about him dying. Did he? Also, yes a gun is a much better motivater then a knife, because in most cases the attacker wont think, "I can over power them if they have a gun" where as a kjife it may be a more common thought. Also, if I found someone on top of my 12 yr old daughter, they definitely wouldnt be making it to a hospital.
Yeah fuck the justice system right? I mean I'm happy to go back to allowing people to settle disputes between themselves with violence, but it's a two way street so you'll have to be willing to accept the societal ramifications
"The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says. "
I don't think she could have stab this guy enough.
Sebleh89 ยท 9853 points ยท Posted at 14:41:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says.
Meanwhile the asshole has the nerve to say "she's just jealous because her daughter likes me" like it's going to get him off free, never mind the fact that he was found naked on top of a 12 year old child.
Had my adopted mom say I was just jealous of her when I told her the male family friend who was living with us at the time (and who she was messing around with) creeped into my room late one night.
Sadly, i think this a common thing to happen. Ive heard this multiple times, even a couple times from people i know personally.
j_platypus ยท 1416 points ยท Posted at 15:23:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. A friend of mine was raped by her step dad as a young teenager multiple times. Not consensual at all. Her mom said she must have been flirting with him. He was charged and went to jail for 10 years, and her mom stayed with him the entire time. Now he is out, and she can't stand the sight of him and can no longer go to any family functions as he is always there.
romulusbc ยท 1181 points ยท Posted at 15:44:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is it that allows adults to justify this shit? It has boggled my mind from the first time I heard about it.
GuyInARoom ยท 1035 points ยท Posted at 16:09:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Family functions. An entire family of people who value this guy over the family member who was assaulted. Incredible.
This is why I can never blindly accept "family values," or "family first." I've dated women who have terrible or shitty family members (including child molestation) and they are excused or forgiven simply because "well, they're family."
No. There are some things that are inexcusable. Or, if you excuse it you have to be open to becoming a victim of it since you are letting it in your life. This is why I'm a lonely person, because I'm willing to hold people accountable and cut them out of my life if need be.
theGurry ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 16:57:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. It's great.
Nobody deserves a free pass to do whatever the fuck they want to whomever they want.
cuckoose ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I straight up left my past GF's family dinner thing after my aunt said I was a shitty person for telling her kid "stop kicking me or I'll tell your dad", I would have just put her off but then a different family member said I was an asshole and I was fed up
Gridungr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a great demon hunter once said "being blood doesn't make you family. You have to earn that"
HVY_METAL ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:15:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to bash them in. My friend committed suicide because her family did this exact same shit covering up for "family". I feel like it wasnt her fault she was dealing with these evils until she couldnt anymore.
I'm really sorry about your friend. Her family did a really shitty thing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not all that much to find/ learn.
JR1937 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preferably, while they are still alive, I would like to imagine similar to the scene in Silence of the Lambs where the live brain is being sauteed and eaten.
My sister was raped and molested by our brother when she was a child up until the age of 14. He was older than her by a few years. When it all came out I immediately disowned him and haven't seen him since. He said he's attracted to everyone of every age especially children and vulnerable people, so they (my father and mother) placed him with - get this - my OMA (grandma). She has no idea what he did or is capable of either. My father and his twin live with him as well. My father blames my sister and believes its her fault. His twin brother feels the same. My mom defends him and they all still love him and clearly resent my sister for not forgiving him.
We have a large family, and myself and my sister are the only two who brutally hate him for what he did, and will never forgive him.
Its life altering when things like this happen in a family, and to see who will take who's side. I hate my father and have a strong disregard for most of my family members after experiencing their reactions to this.
Shit like this is unimaginable and rips people and family's apart. I can't understand blaming the victim like my father and brothers did, its still shocking.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:18:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for being so clear minded and for coming to your sister's side when she needed you. My brother sexually assaulted me as a kid and everyone forgave him (except me). I moved 3000 miles away, and while I am free now it is still so hurtful to know my family loves my abusive, sick brother more than me. All because I "rocked the boat" and wouldn't excuse his horrendous behavior.
Exactly. I just read her this, she needed to hear it. She feels so much guilt, and a lot of its because of how my family reacted to this. Choosing the perpetrator over her, and having distain towards her for coming out with the truth and ruining the illusion.
Good for you for being so strong, to preserve when your family goes against you is tough for even the strongest people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let your sister know that I have decided that there is no rhyme or reason to why families choose abusers over abuse survivors. It is somehow easier for them to lie to themselves about what happened than to actually face reality because the truth is so ugly. I know that when I was 14 and told my mother what happened to me, it changed her world forever. It was easier for her, once she was over the initial shock, to conveniently "forget" what happened. And then years later I found out that my mother is a survivor of abuse at the hands of her father - and no one EVER spoke about it. So it's no wonder she did the same thing to me. I can't even be mad at her for it anymore. She's just doing what her mother taught her to do.
Ive always agreed with that, but our parents forbid us. But my sister decided she NEEDS to tell her, so in the next few weeks I'll tell her.
psycheko ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:05:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I do this too. I don't care if someone's family, you do something shitty and inexcusable, I'll hold you accountable. I'm like that with friends too. It's why actually I'm not friends with someone I became friends with last year because he did something that was unforgivable.
I've gotten into some debates with my boyfriend before because his brother treats everyone like shit in his family but he'd defend him. Now it seems like he's starting to realize because he doesn't defend his brother anymore.
Cutting off family for the first time is a great feeling. Friends take their place, life improves.
atq1995 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:59:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my family if anyone did anything near this level, we'd drop them off hogtied in front of the police station with less teeth than a lifetime crackhead. No soul should have to endure this kind of abuse, it shakes you to your core and NEVER leaves
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:02:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being family should give them even less of an excuse for doing something awful... To a family member!
chinika4 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:17:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same thing. Better alone than being around toxic people.
Asraia ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:12:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God thank you for saying that. As a survivor I want to puke every time i hear "family values."
Well that's because "family first" only works if the entire family abides by it. If several people in the family don't put family first then the family by definition isn't a "family first" family.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So my family isnt very close. We get along great we just arent super tight knit and have always been a small family. Maybe that's why but I dont understand this "They're family." garbage either. Family are people just like everyone else and shouldn't be exempted from being horrible OR held to a lower standard simply because you share blood and grew up together. If you're a shitty person, I'm not associating with you no matter what your last name is.
Ktm6891 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. This is a challenging concept for many to grasp. I grew up in an abusive home and no longer speak to my family and I have friends that just cannot understand why I have severed ties. It's extremely invalidating and insulting but i imagine that it is hard to empathize with abuse when you grew up in a healthy, stable, and loving home.
I'm having an issue with my fiancรฉ over this right now. His grandmother and his mother are horrible people who have done really fucking shitty things and I can't stand to look at them anymore but he still talks to them and JADE's all their shit. Refuses to cut them out or even limit contact and I'm having alot of trouble grasping why he wants to keep these people in his life only for the sole reason that he loves his grandfather - and I love his grandfather too but I can't stand his wife or daughter (fiancรฉs mother). What they have both done is inexcusable and he's rug sweeping over everything and I'm getting angrier and angrier.
True. I would hope "good" families or families that know when to cut family loose after felonies tend to not have to cry "Family Values" all the time.
Despite the Jedi and Sith belief, not everything is an absolute and your mileage will vary with everything. My opinion just so happened to coincide with my experience so I hope there are others that can say "Mctaco, you hang with the wrong crowd, get out more."
Oh yes, you are absolutely correct that it correlates with friends as well. Hell, might as well say it applies to all Humans.
And yes, people put up with a lot of shit from friends. I wasn't a good friend for years but took it upon myself to remove myself until I unfucked myself. My girlfriend had a friend that would ask for money and to co-sign a loan but god forbid the friend listen or visit my gf. We put up with a lot when we shouldn't.
Phowen2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, same for me, that's the sensible thing to do...
Unsounded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real. I hate people who are overly focused and forgiving of family. If someone is toxic and treats you like human garbage it's time to cut them out of your life.
My family doesn't get into contact with my Dads side of the family at all anymore, save for funerals because of how horrible they are. They're always up to sleazy ass shit and are genuinely not good people. There's certain things that can be forgiven for family members over friends, but there's a real fine line in my opinion. And the forgiveness shouldn't be abused.
Im the same, I have no, or limited, contact with a lot of my family and one time close friends for different reasons.
I find the majority of people just shrug it off, or ignore it. Nothing changes, its just not discussed. I honestly believe if more people held others accountable for their shit, 'acceptable' behaviours would also change.
Eek. Yeah you know how they say "blood runs thicker than water"? The actual quote goes "blood of the covenant runs thicker than the water of the womb". It's the family you choose and accepts you, flaws and all, that sticks by your side and not necessarily the family you were born into. I hate it when people are told to trust in their family when their family is made up of pieces of shit. Fuck that. It's better to be alone than to be surrounded by little fuckshits.
I know it's not the same, but after I dumped my sexually and physically abusive ex, EVERYONE in the local friend group chose him over me. It makes me feel worthless. Some of them have even seen him push me and hold me down. Some of these women who have experienced rape themselves have taken his side, and I don't understand how or why. They're just endangering their friends who they bring around him.
I know this is easy to say through anonymous Reddit and it might sound cheesy, but I hope you find some peace from it, it took me way too many years to figure out:
The people around you don't get to determine what you are worth, only you can do that.
I hope you are able to surround yourself with people who support and appreciate you. Rest assured there are good people out there. I went to a rather unique kind of college where I made buddies that are so close I pretty much consider them family at this point. These are men and women I would literally go to war with, people I have shared experiences with that I've never shared with actual blood family. But if I ever saw them abuse or hit their girlfriend or boyfriend, they would not be welcome in my life anymore. I expect those closest to me to uphold a higher standard, not a lower one.
Ciderer ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:43:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Families are weird. My husbands "family" don't consider him family because he's adopted and "not blood" but i'm considered family because I married into it.
Backwoods south thinking right there.
Edit: His parents loved him just the rest of the family is fucked up
WTF, you don't adopt someone and not consider them part of the family! That's the entire point of adoption!
RscMrF ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:16:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh, sorry to break it to you but that is not weird, that is just fucked up. Telling someone who is adopted that they are not family because they are not blood? That goes against the whole concept of adoption, the point is to adopt someone INTO your family.
It does get pretty weird. My father was adopted by his stepdad. He still had a good relationship with his father and stepmother, but once his dad died, the rest of the family swore that he and his children were not family. All because he was "adopted out". Needless to say, we don't interact with them anymore.
theCroc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:31:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also it's not just some rumor or accusation. The guy was convicted and did time. Wouldn't atleast a few other family members put their foot down about this guy coming to family functions?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source? Mine is from Encyclopedia of Victimology and Crime Prevention and having worked with abused minors. But I'm curious where you're getting the "everyone would have been abused by now" and "most people" claims from.
I mean, the effect you describe is clearly observable, but so is the law of big numbers. If most abused people went on to be abusers, abuse would be universal in a matter of only a few generations. Clearly most people must not go on to repeat the cycle.
Yeah, abuse is not a one for one scenario. If literally everyone who was abused went on to abuse others it would start a cycle of exponential growth. Those numbers would reach astronomical levels fast.
I was abused. Not sexually but physically and emotionally and I always knew it was wrong and sought to be different. This was years before therapy.
Well that's not at all what I said. The cycle of abuse creates both victims and abusers. Not all abusers were abused, not all victims become abusers. Nuance and common sense should tell you that instead of me specifically having to state it. But if you do become a victim, you have an extremely higher chance of being victimized in the future. Abusers almost have a sixth sense in picking those that have been victimized. Source
What my previous comment implies is that a mom who stands by someone who abused their child (and was proven guilty in court) likely was a victim of abuse in their past rendering them unable to seek help or see outside the cycle of abuse. Read the comment in context to what I was responding to. It was an explanation for the mother's inaction and continued support of an abuser, not an excuse. Do you have a source for your conjecture?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, the very idea that everyone who is abused will abuse others without help is insulting and idiotic.
That's not what I took away from what that person said at all. I think you are missing the context in the response here. I was abused as a toddler by my grandfather. Most of my relationships in my late teens and early twenties were with abusive men and I could never figure out why until I brought my mother into one of my therapy sessions and she broke down. There's an extremely higher chance of someone who was a victim of sexual abuse continuing the cycle through becoming a victim again or letting someone they love become one. And it took many years for me to learn this to improve upon myself and break the cycle.
The cycle of abuse explains why people STAY in abusive situations, not that everyone who was abused becomes an abuser. The context was why the mom STAYED with the abusive man after he got out of prison. That point was very clear to me.
Mom could be afraid of (1) physical abuse from the dad, and/or (2) being alone if she splits.
Also, knew a local family where the dad slowly over the years emotionally manipulated the mom and daughter into thinking the rest of the extended family couldn't be trusted, was up to no good, etc etc and he was the only one they could rely on, trust, confide in. After the abuse of the daughter came out, mom stuck by him for like 6 months, but then came to realize exactly what he'd been doing to them.
It was literally like a drug that she was under the influence of, and still was for a few months while he was in prison, but then it eventually wore off.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:04:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some ppl aren't fit to be parents. It's a bittersweet day when the offspring realizes this about their own parent
flurryMC ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly bitter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fair enough, to each their own.
Sweeter than more bitter for me - it's comforting to know that I'm not as crazy as I thought I was
flurryMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:47 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, I see your point. The problem is when they're stubborn and can't even admit their own problems to themselves so they still think you're the problem. Not to say it isn't partially my problem, but not entirely, as they think.
My father is a dumbass coke fiend who got himself thrown in prison for over a decade. Up till his release there were members of his family who fucking thought he was framed.
My Mom and I both knew he was a piece of shit however and it took till after he got out and is now suppossedly back on coke and also robbed my uncle (because he apparently needed money even though they both had gotten like 25k because their Mom passed recently) and FINALLY the rest of the family has caught up and now he isn't invited to family functions along with the Uncle he robbed actually as my Uncle is also fucked up.
It can be seriously hard for family to cope with their loved ones being a shithead and I think a lot of people are subconciously blind to the signs because they do not want to have to face reality. It sucks.
Maybe he was the money source for the mother, and she chose that over her daughter.
Lanoir97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's that they really care about and respect someone, then when they hear they did something terrible it just can't be true, so they pull ridiculous mental gymnastics to make it okay.
Some people get older but don't necessarily mature. There are tons of "adults" walking around with child like mentalities. "maybe he did wrong but I like him so I'm going to justify it. And if you stand in the way of what I want even indirectly I'm going to blame you"
RscMrF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a combination of things. If the victim is viewed as a 'slut', then people assume she was into it, then there is the fact that if the girl complains she is often yelled at for making bad decisions, as if she should have anticipated that this man who is basically family to her would take advantage of her young age and ignorance. Then there is the fact that this stuff is simply uncomfortable to talk about, so it's easier to just pretend nothing happens. The victim usually just wants to move on, the family is pretending nothing happens and the mom is still in love with the rapist because some people are just fucked up and don't care about anything beyond what their "heart" tells them. The "heart" in this context is physical attraction, which doesn't really care about a person being a decent human or not, for women it is more about a man being dominant and confident, and some rapists are certainly confident and dominant.
It's dumbfounding to me what people will do in order to preserve the status quo or even the illusion of the status quo. Anything is tolerable in the face of change, for some people. Change is some great uncomfortable unknown and people will do unbelievable things if they can just keep on pretending that everything's fine.
You should ask the same about normalizing vigilante justice, suspending civil and constitutional rights. How far are you really prepared to go for justice and what would that criteria be?
There's some kind of...disconnect...and shame...the denial prevents them from acknowledging they missed something somehow.
It's easier to pretend it isn't real than it is to acknowledge a profoundly evil person exists close to the family.
At least. That's what it is for my mom, anyway.
ald49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's terrible, but common. I think it's a few things... It's difficult for people to accept that seemingly "normal" people can rape/assault others or be pedophiles. People want to think the people who do this stuff are literal monsters - ugly, deranged, anti-social types, not the guy you're married to who buys you flowers on your birthday and who has always emotionally supported you, or your sister who you used to play dolls with, took care of you when you were sick, and who you love dearly... And simultaneously we're told that kids lie/fib a lot, and that it's common for women especially to exaggerate or outright lie about assaults. If the person is financially supporting the family it adds layers to it.
People also have a hard time believing that the world is not fair, that bad things can happen to good or innocent people... It's easier to believe someone is lying about being raped and pimped out by their father than believe someone could do that to a little girl/boy, or that they somehow did something to bring it on themselves because it makes us feel safer and more in control. It won't happen to you or your family because you're a good person, and so on.
Then there's also that people don't like thinking they could miss this happening to their kid/sibling/family, that they're smart/wise/a good enough parent or relative that if it were true they'd know before it happened or earlier...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the vast majority of people would rather never admit that they're wrong and live in blissful ignorance that they'd ever made a mistake instead of just admitting their mistake and ending up on the correct side of things.
She should have a restraining order against him. Not sure why she'd still want to be anywhere near her mom in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:22:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i wrote in another post that my ex GF was raped by her stepdad and her mom didnt want to believe her for shit and stayed with the guy and my ex moved out(the stepdad eventually killed himself, sweet karma!) that happened when she was 13-14 and i met her when she was 21 and she still followed her mom around and tried every which way to please her and get her approval.. i finally had to step in and tell her shes an adult now and fuck whatever her shitty mom thinks
marnas86 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a victim of abuse but I'd sure as shit turn up at every single family event and go "OH HI, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT RAPED ME WHEN I WAS A CHILD! HEY EVERYONE, SAY HI TO THE CHILD RAPIST. HOW WAS JAIL? I HEAR THEY HATE CHILD RAPISTS LIKE YOU. DID YOU EVER RAPE ANY OTHER KIDS? ANYONE HERE? WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE GIRL OVER THERE? WOULD YOU RAPE HER IF YOU COULD?
Fuck being embarrassed or ashamed. Make him be embarrassed and ashamed.
My step dad always came into my room at night,"accidentally " walked in while I was changing or showering, etc etc and my mom told my doctor I was threatening them so they would put me on mental health meds so people wouldn't listen to me about it
DocRocks0 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:39:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Civil lawsuit and restraining order. Easy peasy.
You can possibly sue him and/or your mother for emotional distress. Since he was convicted you have all the proof you need that your mother & him introduce a hostile environment that knowingly causes you distress and prevents you from connecting with the rest of your family.
IANAL but restraining order in your favor is 100% imo and recovering money damages isn't entirely impossible with a good lawyer and the right angle.
Yeah it's pretty obvious you're not a lawyer, and you probably have never been court. That's probably not what she needs right now, dude.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She already isn't going to be around them, and i doubt money is going to help reverse the damage. on top of having to relive those moments and deal with them in court.
Wow. That's all bad enough, but the extended family that lets him be at those family functions is really the worst.
Much as I'm in favor of forgiveness or second chances to live your life, that's a line where you obviously don't ever get to rejoin the family gatherings.
damiana8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure. I know she didn't speak to her for a number of years, but I think after her infant died they started speaking again. That is also a sad story. She had put the baby to sleep on the couch. 3 month old baby very prone to spitting up. And to prevent him from rolling off she propped clothes all around him. He spit up, and couldn't move his head and she didn't hear him. By the time she woke up it had already been hours.
This breaks my heart as it could happen to anyone. I know they say to sleep when the baby sleeps but I just couldn't do it for this reason and which is why I was so depressed due to lack of sleep and post partum.
My mom had a similar experience, except when her mom found out (because she needed an abortion at 15) she blamed her daughter/my mom for trying to steal her husband and left him. And her. She left her daughter with the man who was raping her when she found out. My mom lived alone with him for another 2 years before managing to run away at 17. Mind boggling.
I don't know what's more infuriating. Knowing it's happening and not doing anything or running away and leaving your child with their rapist. I don't care if my kid told me it was my own father, brother, husband. I would fucking kill them and leave. Jesus people are fucked.
Dr_SnM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's completely fair of you. There's no way I'd tolerate that either. If anyone wants to know why you're not coming to family things you damn well tell them, your position is completely unassailable. The guy is filth and so is she.
gigajesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oversexuality + No Impulse Control = Sex/Porn Addiction; not rape
Libidos don't cause rape. A decent human being isn't going to rape someone because they're sexually frustrated. Having no human respect for people and being raised to see them as objects causes rape.
I worked in foster care for a bit. It is fucking horrendous. The stats are terrible. There is no vulnerability to a predacious world like an orphans vulnerability. You can talk about privilege until you are blue in the face, but nothing, NOTHING, cuts your feet from underneath you like a lack of family.
And with that lack of family comes impacted education and work earning opportunity, even if you survive childhood rape free. When you turn around and begin raising your own family you have to contend with this:
If your family brings in 30kless than 50k a year, you have twice the statistical chance of being sexually assaulted before you turn 18. That chance doubles again if your household makes less than 20k 15k a year. The single biggest risk to your children getting fucked by an adult is cohabitating with a non-biologically related male.
Poverty aids and abets rapists. You don't get to have a normal shot in the US unless your family gets 50k a year.
EDIT: Source: Bureau of Justice Statistics. (2014). Household Poverty And Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008โ2012
sokolov22 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:32:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in foster care for a bit. It is fucking horrendous. The stats are terrible.
I don't want to turn this into an abortion debate, but this is part of the reason why I question the pro-life stance. If one really cared about the lives of children, one of the major issues is what happens to children like these who end up without their parents for one reason or another. This, for me, is far more urgent than defining "personhood." These kids are already born and actively suffering in the real world.
theGurry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the government for you.
They will bend over backwards to protect your rights and freedoms, until the minute you are born? Then you're on your own.
RscMrF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I mean they are two separate issues really. One can care about both. I am not against abortion really, but I can see the reasons why people are, it's hard not to imagine when you think about a life and all it can mean and the fact that abortion cuts that life off before it even had a shot. Isn't anything better than nothing when it comes to life. At least these kids have a shot, they may well come out the end stronger than other kids and live great lives, or not, who knows. Dead is dead though.
Again, not against abortion per se, but it is hard to justify ending a life, especially when, unlike foster kids, there are people who desperately want babies and can't get them. Foster kids are not usually given into to care as babies, they go there once they lose their parents and are too old to be desired by those looking to adopt.
sokolov22 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:55:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are absolutely separate issues, I agree.
And I think it's perfectly fine to say "Abortion is murder so I am against it." I just think it's a bit disingenuous to claim it's about the child if your caring stops once it is born.
Similarly, in Texas politicians claim the anti-abortion laws are about "women's health" and all we see is declining stats for women's health in the state.
Those are interesting stats. What makes it fucked up is how money is almost always at the base of problems. Makes you wonder what itd be like if we found another way to operate the world
DocRocks0 ยท 732 points ยท Posted at 15:36:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good start would be to socially and politically shun anyone who thinks redistributing income more fairly is tantamount to communism.
Lot of dumbass people in this country making <20-30k that practically BEG for their bosses & company officers to get raises and tax breaks at their expense whenever it's time to step in a voting booth.
Thats the thing, I used to think "I don't want my money going to this guy and that guy" and I've realized, money talks.
I don't mind paying more into taxes so little kids can eat, have a home, and have a higher chance of avoiding sexual assault. We gotta invest in the next generation, that's who's going to hold down the economy when we're old, like we're now starting to do (I'm 27).
I don't want my taxes spent on ridiculous military spending when its basically wasted :/ and not even going to the right parts of the military (read soldiers). I want it to go to education, food, etc.
Nationally around 43% of children live in low-income families. In some states that can be above 50% of children in below the poverty line households.
Its not like we're just "subjecting some kids to a worse life because their poor", we're subjecting MOST kids to a worse life, because they are poor. We're gutting our next generation of professionals. Doctors, lawyers, etc, there aren't enough rich kids to fill the need (I myself am first gen graduate, first JD in my family). Professionals don't grow on trees, we are going to need more college educated to fill the gaps, and we can't gut their chances so young :[
This is, I think, a core fight in our society and culture. Many people are in the middle, but on one side you have people whose primary concern is that other people don't get more than what they deserve, and on the other side are those whose primary concern is about people getting less than what they need.
Speaking personally, I care very little if a system attracts some freeriders, if it lessens the amount of suffering in the world.
Geminel ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 20:31:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Our justice system was originally designed in a way which was intended to ensure that it never convicts an innocent person, even if that means 9 out of every 10 guilty persons tried are found innocent.
In the same way, I wish our social programs were designed to ensure that no person who wants to seek the opportunities to better themselves are prevented from doing so - even if it were to mean 9 out of 10 welfare recipients never did anything.
I wish our social programs were designed to ensure that no person who wants to seek the opportunities to better themselves are prevented from doing so - even if it were to mean 9 out of 10 welfare recipients never did anything.
Yeah. In fact, this is almost going to be a necessity in the near future. As automation replaces entire sectors of the economy, there literally aren't going to be enough jobs for people to do...especially for people who are not educated. At that point, universal basic income is going to need to be implemented.
And, it will be fucking fine. If some people want to subsist on a standard amount of income, and not work for more, then they should have that option. The people who want more will work for more, and those who don't want more will not. Automation will make everything more efficient anyway, so it isn't like those people being out of the workforce is going to be an actual drain on us. Quite the contrary, it could be a boon. Most crime would go down, as the majority of crime is born out of desperation and poverty. Those people at the bottom would be less stressed, and could have better nutrition, so they would be less of a burden on the healthcare system. Plus, a lot of substance abuse is based on escaping a stressful life that would no longer be an issue.
On top of that, with the free time they have, a lot of these people WOULD eventually find productive things to do. They may not think that they want to work, but humans are creative, curious creatures. Many would come across subjects that interest them, and end up deciding to get an education to join the workforce, or create something new on their own.
Oh, you DON'T want your money going towards the research and development of more and more powerful weapons containing nuclear material or the efficiency to wipe out hundreds of thousands of people in one hit? You must hate America!
ailish ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:10:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the problem is that too many people who are already old figure they got theirs, so they don't care about the next generation. They'll be dead, so what difference does it make to them?
What leaves me gobsmacked is that most of those people have children and many have grandchildren.
ailish ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:08:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, look at Trump. A man in a position to actually do something about it. He has a young son, but doesn't seem to care at all about the world his son will have to live in in 20-50 years. All he cares about is what he can get right now.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very much understand your point. I have couple of questions though.
1) Are you sure theres is a shortage of professionals/future professionals? I'm a college sophmore, who's been through admissions process 3 times, and I swear this is the hardest time for any kid, rich or poor, to get into a good college. However, I do agree that this difficulty affects lower income students more. When you have shit going on at home, theres no time or money for clubs, extracurriculars, expensive hobbies, act prep ect... I wonder if having too many professionals has a detrimental effect as well. All thoughts welcome.
2) Are we sure that its the absence of money itself that causes these problems for lower-income kids, ex sexual assault? Is it possible that it's the result of parental behavior that leads to low income? In other words, if we gave those same families making 20k a year all 100k, would the incident rate drop?
The lack of money is also the cause of the lack of options.
Source: I literally only have one option left and it really is that desperate in poverty.
arbyq5000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is the full version of that equation, for sure
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:17:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do actually. We import professionals from over seas. While about 66% of immigration happens to join family members here, something like 10 or 15% are educated professionals that come here in work visas. About 25% of our healthcare positions are filled by immigrants. There is such heavy nurse shortages some places that it's better to import cheaper labor in the form of a work visa.
Here's an article that breaks down the labor force by industry.
tylamarre ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:04:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for asking these questions, I had the same thought. Correlation does not equal causation. Giving money to people doesn't fix everything. How often do poor people win the lottery and end up poor again in a matter of months? This is more likely a systemic issue resulting from poor primary and secondary education followed by prohibitively expensive post secondary education and a lack of social services.
I don't think you have to be particularly intelligent or capable to graduate college so maybe he means that we will have a lack of good professionals that we actually want to be creating our future. I know I went to college with some real idiots
Also the first JD in my family, and you couldn't have said my feelings better if they'd come from my own mouth.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is who is paying their taxes, it's mostly middle-class families paying a brunt of the taxes - actually wealthy people pay little or nothing in taxes due to the intentionally obfuscated tax codes. It's all struggling families that hold up the existing social programs we have and that's why you find them voting against their best interests; They're desperately struggling to get some relief even if 50% of that relief goes to people way out of their class.
The F-35 cost 1.5 trillion dollars. That's sickening.
tribe171 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:33:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have spent 22+trillion in the War on Poverty and yet poverty rates are about the same as when we started. Funnily enough, before the War on Poverty poverty rates were steadily declining. Poverty ratea only leveled out once the War on Poverty was initiated.
Using 22 trillion dollars at 100% efficiency, every adult American citizen could be given a thousand dollars a month until they die.
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:20:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many more jets do we need to kill all the poverty?
Orngog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you just mean America, but we're on track to eliminate absolute poverty
Unsounded ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:17:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is people instantly get defensive when redistribution of wealth is brought up. The people are the bottom want it blindly, and the people at the top want to stop it all costs. The people in the middle are then convinced it's a horrible thing by the people at the top, who have the money to advertise, lobby, and make things happen.
What this does is skew the truth. If you look at plans and potential ideas for things like universal healthcare, free higher education, and welfare systems generally they have tax brackets that have different percentages they have to pay. The people in the middle remain almost uneffected, if not better off tax-wise under redistribution plans. But the elite confuse and skew these facts through lies and lobbying to republicans to make it seem like the devil.
Just look at the last major election, while not perfect in any sense, Bernie had some plans and ideas about free higher education. If you actually looked at what was laid out the middle class stood to benefit the most - due to their children being the most likely to go to school and them being the most likely to take out parent loans.
But they also have had propaganda thrown at them due to lobbying from the elite since the 80s to convince them that anything that has to do with wealth distribution to be related to communism, which is bad. I swear if the American people actually took their emotions out of things and critically examined politics then our country wouldn't be in the state it is now.
We're gutting our next generation of professionals. Doctors, lawyers, etc, there aren't enough rich kids to fill the need (I myself am first gen graduate, first JD in my family). Professionals don't grow on trees, we are going to need more college educated to fill the gaps, and we can't gut their chances so young :[
Not that I don't agree with educating the young and redistributing our wealth a little bit, but isn't there a massive glut of college graduates right now?
Glut of meaningless degrees, myself included. Iโve got an associates in office professionalism. Itโs basically a secretary. It wonโt actually get me anything more than what I could get actually being at a job for a few years and moving up to a lower management position and anything more would require a better, fuller business degree. Think of how many people go for arts or gender studies, we used to tell kids to get any degree, literally any one and theyโd get the best jobs. I was a part of that and now I strip for a living.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some of the people that want to go to school dont have the money or means to find it, and scholarships are biased against them because they're white males.
Such a dumb system all around, god damn.
fraghawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:18 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if you did better in school maybe you would've gotten scholarships. I'm a white male with a upper middle class family. I did pretty well in high school and had tons of scholarships available to me my senior year
Your assumption is that the taxes are being allocated efficiently. Which is far from the truth. We already have a tremendous amount of social welfare in this country; where are the results of all the improvements it's made to people's lives?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:09 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the funds allocated to social welfare primarily goes to the wallets of bureaucrats. Rarely does it trickle down to the actual poor. We see the same in non-profit organizations such as United Way.
Trust me, with gov, the money doesn't get there. If it does, the problem decreases, so then does the funding and the bureaucrat loses their job. So they must perpetuate the problem
Edwardian ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you on everything you said (except some on the military as it does drive research that helps us all) BUT, the money doesn't go to the kids... Would you be OK working your 40-80 hours per week to support someone with kids who doesn't work by choice? or is only willing to work part time? This is where socialism breaks down. "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need" leaves those with exceptional ability and ethics worn into the ground for no gain of their own, so there is no incentive to excel or work hard.
I would absolutely be okay working 40 hours a week and having a reasonable standard of living while someone else mooched off the system, yes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do that right now, but I assume you're not donating the majority of your check to those less fortunate than you. Why? Tons of people are a part of the effective altruism movement and donate most of their income to others. Put your money where your mouth is.
Edwardian ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even knowing that for the same work you're doing now, your standard of living would likely be lower than it is today?
I wouldn't be ok with that. Down vote all you want, but I work hard to learn more and provide product and services that others can't so I can have things I want. I don't mind paying taxes to provide necessary healthcare for those who can't afford it, or food for children, but I stop at elective medical procedures, or raising the standard of living for those who don't make an effort to do it for themselves.
It wouldn't. It wouldn't be lower. That's what you aren't understanding.
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, without taking money from any other programs, you can give away billions of dollars without raising taxes? Sure, just print more, inflation doesn't apparently exist in your world...
Lots of places. In fact, Medicare is drastically more efficient than private insurance companies.
This becomes clearer if you take a look at what you mean by "efficiency". In this context, I would define efficiency as the general rate at which incoming funds are spent on the desired outcomes. To me, if you take a healthy populace as your goal, every dollar of profit amounts to inefficiency, as does every ad buy telling people to purchase X insurance or go to Y hospital. The same goes for needing to train and retain staff at medical facilities to navigate the intricacies of the various competing insurance systems. There's a ton of administrative redundancy, too. A of this is money that could be spent treating patients - or expanding facilities, or doing research, or purchasing new equipment; you name it.
This extends beyond the health care system itself, too. In my workplace, a department of about fifty people, we wasted over a hundred labor hours on open enrollment last year - to say nothing of the amount of time and money spent by corporate on the whole deal. A universal health care system would negate the need for virtually all of that expense.
NewOpera ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 16:27:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just have something more efficient than the government do this? The government is where the incompetents go to work.
Edit: Downvoting this doesn't make it less true, it just means you're that much more uneducated.
monkwren ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:31:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, actually, its not. Almost every US federal program has a lower rate of waste and fraud than their private equivalents.
Yeah, the whole reason the government stepped in to do the job is because charities weren't cutting it, but there is the pernicious belief that government is too inefficient.
Bradyhaha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Government is transparent, so you get to see the ineffeciencies. Private enterprise doesn't show you their inefficiency, so people who are incapable of critical thought have a hard time understanding the difference.
Private enterprise is directly incentivized to be inefficient, in terms of providing consumer outcomes. If the thing you value is, for example, health care, every dollar spent on something other than patient outcomes is inefficiency - every penny of profit, every advertisement bought, every labor hour required to train someone to wade through the morass of competing insurance systems.
Of course, the flip side of that coin is that if you're a financial stakeholder in that industry, every dollar spent on something that doesn't directly improve your payouts is "inefficiency" from your perspective. So fuck it, why not cut staffing ratios, if you can get away with it?
monsata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A perfect summation of why a for-profit health care system is the most evil thing devised by modern man.
Turn it around. Corporations have a profit motive - the built-in, fundamental incentive is to cut costs as much as you can get away with, to maximize your profits. Government, by contrast, starts from the premise of "this is what we want to achieve.
And while it could do better, I think that that's a matter of changing some of the structure, and getting more people more involved and invested. Provide more accountability for those making the decisions and overseeing the programs.
NewOpera ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or alternatively create a for profit government entity. It works for something like the HK or Singapore public transport.
Besides, governments start with the objective of "this is how much we need to spend to get a budget next year".
Source: worked for the CDC, EMA (The European FDA), and pharma companies.
DocRocks0 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're factually incorrect and it makes me sad to know you believe this.
And you want to talk about incompetents? Look at Equifax - a private company that just lost 58+% of Americans social security number and all other financial information because they had security that a first year computer science major would be appalled by.
Things like the EPA, education, prisons, etc. must be handled by the government because privatization means that the companies' goal is to make a profit and not to do their actual job.
NewOpera ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol I was thinking of something like FEMA or Soup kitchens when I said that. Obviously, some things like prisons etc shouldn't be private.
What people don't realise is that this is the culmination of decades of intentional de-education for poor people.
Don't blame the poor for their choices. They're just doing what they have been brainwashed to do.
It's the same with every egregiously odd facet of the US political system. Guns, no free healthcare, no taxes, small government, stopping pollution control, opposition to immigration and free education, seeing global warming as a hoax, they're all the same with the same cause.
A small but incredibly well funded group of people and organisations have spent billions and decades fooling the poor and ignorant, and many of the not-so-poor and ignorant, into believing that they need to vote for things that are solely against their interests. Not only that, but they have been told that all the problems in their lives are as a direct result of not having enough of these things.
School shooting? Not enough guns.
Your dad died because he couldn't afford health insurance? Too much government interference.
Your local school is shit? Too much government spending on schools.
Your employer pays a poverty wage? It's the fault of immigrants. See also: raising the minimum wage so you get paid more will make you worse off.
You have an employment problem you need help with? Better not join a union, those fat cats only want to line their own pockets.
Your local nature reserve is full of pollution? Better defund the EPA.
Terrorists keep attacking? We need more wars.
Your local services are shit because your local government has so little revenue they can't pay for it? It's because taxes are too high.
Feel that 'Washington elites' don't represent you? You should vote for the superwealthy.
What makes it worse is that The Conned have been told that these issues are intrinsic to their lives and 'American values'. Anyone who challenges isn't just wrongly promoting harmful ideas, they are a threat to your very way of life.
This is why it's so impossible to have rational discussions with these people. You're discussing facts and they're flying off the handle because they've been told people like you hate them and everything they hold dear.
I don't blame them, for they know not what they do. They are the victims of a deliberate and sustained fraud that they lack the capacity to resist. It is no more their fault than it is the fault of bewitched cultists for following their chosen leader.
Fighting this challenge, this utter demolition of rationality, is going to be the biggest challenge facing the US. Your very survival depends on it and yet the battle may already be lost.
I step foot in a Wal-Mart and Sam's Club exactly once a month when I take my grandmother shopping. We always stop by the book section to look for a new James Patterson book. There always seems to be one too, I'm convinced they taught an AI to generate murder mysteries... but I digress...
While in the book section I always look at the selection available and every time there is at a minimum three right wing propaganda books pushing the hard-line right agenda. There are not even moderate commentaries next to them. This is in California, I shudder to think what they carry in a redder state.
These "super-stores" have been pushing out small businesses and competition across the country to be the main supplier for many communities, especially poorer ones. Combine this with Sinclair and it is scary how much the right is able to force their narrative onto these unsuspecting communities.
I remember as a kid looking for something to do in Wal-Mart while my mom was shopping. I used to go to the book section (because I like books) and then just stand there in confusion, because there was absolutely nothing to read except the Bible and the Left Behind series.
But there are 29 different kinds of tupperware in that store.
DocRocks0 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply if I could give --good-- ATM I would.
Don't buy reddit gold. The admins of this site are complicit in supporting a platform for spreading a particularly nasty and virulent version of exactly this propaganda. Had they chosen to act, given that this is the fourth-most-popular website on the internet, there definitely would have been an impact on the radicalization we've been seeing - which has resulted in one successful murder so far as well as quite a few other attempts. They don't deserve even our traffic - please don't reward them further with your dollars.
Fincow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:10:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unsure what you're trying to say? What side are you speaking for?
I believe they're referring to Charlottesville. T_D was instrumental in organizing the white nationalist "protests" there.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh. Thank you! I've been wracking my brain and couldn't for the life of me work it out. I didn't realise T_D was so involved with that. How disappointing, but I suppose not surprising.
I was attributing that to the radicalization broadly - I don't know whether or not that particular Nazi was a member of that subreddit, but the national "movement" has definitely gotten a huge boost from it.
Sure. This site hosts a community ostensibly dedicated to the now-President of the United States, which does a ton of work spreading propaganda and radicalizing young white men.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think reddit should ban or censor a sub-forum dedicated to the president?
What now is that it becomes readily apparent to anyone reading the thread that you're making an absurd false equivalence. Anyone can see at a cursory glance racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, nationalism, nativism, and pretty much any other form of bigotry you might care to name, as well as explicit calls to violence, in the subreddit we're talking about.
Try harder next time.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:59:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the forums i mentioned are full of classism, anti-white, anti-christian, anti- white, cisphobia, and many other forms of bigotry. I find it offensive and hateful.
Honestly i cant believe i am engaging with an anti-free-speech activist.
Peace be with you. Try not to be too much of a totalitarian jackboot in the future.
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Nobody in this conversation is calling for the government to do anything. Do you believe that private businesses DO NOT have the fundamental right to do what they will with their resources, within the confines of the law?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hatred on the basis of economic class isnt real? Rich people dont hate poor people because they are poor? Poor people dont hate rich people because they are rich? My experiance on both sides of the fence says you are mistaken.
I have compassion for you and your situation, but just how "comfortable" is your budget? How often do you eat out, go to the movies, etc. Could you sacrifice such things if necessary?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last movie i saw was Rogue One. Eating out means Whataburger on Friday night. I am funding my younger brother's education. Im am preparing to set up a fund for my best friend's umborn child's education.
90 percent of "rich people" are struggling to meet the goals they have set for themselves.
The biggest thing we struggle against is taxation. Federal taxes, property taxes, school taxes, capital gains taxes, etc eat up most of my income.
You seem to be a good person with respect pursuits and lifestyle. I withhold previous statements
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:47:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
propaganda has been used and refined by the plutocracy for centuries, and with the advent of modern entertainment and technology, it's even more omnipresent than ever before. you can't really blame people for voting against their interests. truly, they don't know any better, and don't have the resources or time to become educated any differently (if they could look past their anti-intellectual sentiment for a moment.)
I'm not disagreeing with you, just expanding on that anti-intellectual sentiment.
If you don't know, you trust those who do. You ask questions and listen to those who know more, that's the mark of an intelligent person, regardless of education level.
What do we do to help those who don't want to ask, those who distrust professionals and experts? Those who have been trained by the same propaganda to do so? The resources to become educated argument depends, I agree not everyone has the money for college, but if they hadn't been so anti-intellectual in high school, they could have had at least grants (for being under income levels) and academic scholarships that are direct through the University, no need for an application typically. This is how I went through college and law school. I didn't have rich parents, we were barely middle class (Vegas allows you to make less money and still be middle class, in some areas of the US I would not have been.)
The distrust in education leading to a lack of education has to run deeper, they are almost proud to not be educated. They feel like only the "elitist" are educated in some areas. Its like shooting yourself in the foot from a long term cultural standpoint, but they are a short term people.
More needs to be researched into why this started, and how to combat this. Its not just region specific, but can be concentrated more regionally. I notice in my area (pretty liberal) the older people (silent gen) are more likely to be like this.
zinger565 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:56:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have run into this. It's really frustrating. I have a degree in engineering and work as an engineer in a grain process plant in the midwest. By most measures, I live in a blue collar city, and because of that I can run into bias where people automatically assume that I'm some elitist prick that makes $250k a year (which I don't, and some of them make more than me due to overtime anyways).
It's a propaganda thing. We've always had a populist streak that manifests itself in anti-intellectualism because intellectuals have historically belonged to the elite ruling class - but in the last few decades, the right had established an incredibly robust propaganda-sphere that both takes advantage of that tendency and hugely reinforces it.
is it like shooting yourself in the foot? or is like being shot in the foot and being left to bleed out for the bulk of american history. "they are a short term people" you fucking idiot.
bslow22 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about people who aren't willing to recognize anything beyond their small corner of the world? I don't think you need to study abroad to have a global perspective but I've met so many people that make blanket statements about places they've never been or people they've never met. To me, they're actively deciding to avoid reaching out and getting informed.
Trust me, propaganda and cultural biases can make a person have such a twisted world view that even studying abroad can't change it. I can give you too many examples, including firsthand experiences.
Joetato ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:44:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been seeing a lot of this. As best I can tell and this is really just for what I've personally seen, people seem to think the government takes and keeps the money. eg, I saw someone say "At least Trump made and earned his money honestly and didn't get rich by using taxes to steal it from citizens like Bernie Sanders did." Um... that's not quite how it works.
BIGJ0N ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:16:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tax breaks at their expense
I know that I'm going to get shit on for this, but I strongly feel that saying tax cuts are at the poor's expense is a misrepresentation.
Wealthy people pay many times more taxes per capita than poor people. And this is to get access to comparable returns in investment- as far as access to emergency resources, roads, etc.
So when you cut taxes for the wealthy, this isn't at the poor's expense. The poor are already making use of taxpayer funded programs predominantly funded at the wealthy or middle class's expense. These tax cuts aren't "at your expense", they're just not as much at expense of the wealthy.
Taxes will continue to be at the expense of those earning higher incomes. Just because the wealthy are currently legally obligated to pay that money currently doesn't mean that that's your money that you are entitled to in perpetuity.
umaijcp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am going through this mine collapse of a thread, and lo, you step up to grab onto that timber.
exactly, it reads like some wealthy primary school kids brainstorming the solution to the worlds problems,
BIGJ0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind if people feel like a more liberal ideology is better for America, but man so many people just talk out of their ass and completely misrepresent things. I can't stand how acceptable blatant ignorance is to many people.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:10:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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arbyq5000 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:48:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American citizens are starving under your watch, Captain Capitalism
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:37 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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arbyq5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:28 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The poor, misunderstood 1%! Like the exemplary Alice Walton, who spent all of her youth diligently "working" towards that fat Walmart inheritance, and then drunkenly ran over a person and never spent a day in jail. What a paragon of nobility!
If only we upstart 99% could learn to respect our betters. It really is a shame.
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny that the poor in America are actually FATTER than the elite because of how much abundancr we have.
No one's starving here in America. Now compare that to the breadlines in venezuala and I think I know which system works better
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, because that's exactly what most civilizations have done in the past. Take peoples wealth and goods for their own.
I don't know that the lack of money itself is the problem... the poor and middle class have value systems that lead to different outcomes.
Giving poor woman money wouldn't help the problem as instilling middle class values (as it relates to family structure/ responsibility etc).
Wow! That statement (...Lot of dumbass people making $20-30K practically beg...) illustrates our society's failure to foster a just and fair world so families in turn can ensure a healthy and safe upbringing for children.
yeah the numbers are close, but then capitalism was the dominant form in the majority of the world for hundreds of years while communism was only practiced by a small no. of nations and for a much shorter time...
Have you yet seen me evangelize for anything? Literally all I've done is to criticize your terrible argument. I don't know enough about communism to feel like I can have an informed opinion on whether it's a good idea - if it requires a planned economy, for example, that seems rather foolhardy, at least on a broad scale - but I do know that horrible, horrible atrocities have been committed not just in and by capitalist nations, but as an extension of capitalism. Trying to sweep that under the rug does nobody any favors.
Val_P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:55:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you yet seen me evangelize for anything?
Apologetics would be more apt, but it amounts to the same thing.
Literally all I've done is to criticize your terrible argument. I don't know enough about communism to feel like I can have an informed opinion on whether it's a good idea - if it requires a planned economy, for example, that seems rather foolhardy, at least on a broad scale - but I do know that horrible, horrible atrocities have been committed not just in and by capitalist nations, but as an extension of capitalism. Trying to sweep that under the rug does nobody any favors.
Literally all you've done is advocate for communism and against capitalism, and highlighted your ignorance of history in the process.
Uh no, the point is that communism is poison to a society and has been responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of people.
Stop with the bullshit. Capitalism has created the greatest standard of living in history.
So, literally just repeating points one and two: when bad things happen under a communist economic system, they're the result of communism; but when they happen under a capitalist economic system, they're just terrible tragedies.
Keep it coming!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many people have died in the name of capitalist imperialism in the last 100 years?
We don't count, because they died to maintain our standard of living.
That isn't even going into detail about how much of a misnomer calling the authoritarian regimes in the USSR and PRC et all "Communism" is.
Val_P ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:13:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the classic "WHATABOUT?!" and "That wasn't REAL communism!!!"
Fox told me every single Democratic President for the past 50 years was a communist and they didn't do too bad. If anything, the right helped legitimize communism more than any actual commy could've.
Val_P ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:35:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the left is in the process of doing that to the term "fascist."
I definitely do not feel that pre bush2 politicians are fascist. Even today there's quite a few right-centrist republicans and libertarian flavoured republicans. I think the left mostly attacks specific politicians and right is more general in their attacking.
I actually think that is part of why democrats lost footing recently. They don't generally attacking the party enough.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:05:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good start would be to socially and politically shun anyone who thinks redistributing income more fairly is tantamount to communism.
Lot of dumbass people in this country making <20-30k that practically BEG for their bosses & company officers to get raises and tax breaks at their expense whenever it's time to step in a voting booth.
The issue isn't wealth redistribution. It's the laws and programs the enable people to be trapped in poverty.
We shouldn't be putting people on life support programs that create a disincentive to work. We need a system that promotes skill growth and provides a bit of leverage to prevent worker exploitation.
Everytime I hear this tax crap, all I can think is that you've never had to pay a high effective tax rate just for working harder. Let people get out what they put in, but give everyone the same opportunity.
You may pay a higher effective rate, but you take more home regardless. And please don't tell me that you think that making more and working harder inherently go hand in hand.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:42:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may pay a higher effective rate, but you take more home regardless. And please don't tell me that you think that making more and working harder inherently go hand in hand.
Define work, because moving up pay scales generally requires more responsibility or skills.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:38:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was head custodian at a middle school. His responsibility was to keep the grounds clean and safe for children, to clean up puke when kids got sick and clean up broken glass when idiots broke bottles on the asphalt. He ensured the infrastructure of the school was maintained properly to foster an environment conductive to teaching the next generation. I make more than he ever did, working for a company that sells furniture to bougie fuckwads. On a description for a product, I have written "proudly designed and made in the USA" right next to "Warning: this item contains materials or chemicals known to cause cancer". I'm pretty sure I made more money than my dad making foo-foo lattes for those same bougie fuckwads - over the course of five years, I never made more money than someone who had been newly hired into my same position; meanwhile I watched as quality of the items I served declined- as we were instructed to discontinue our quality-control measures and not teach them to the new hires - and watched the prices for these goods rise.
My fiance, who has never worked a service industry job in his life, and didn't get a job that wasn't under-the-table until he was 22, makes 3x what I do to write code for a product that will allow large companies to streamline their own processes and thus make more money.
Don't tell me "responsibility" has anything to do with wage. Our current economic system values making more money over anything else. Anything that doesn't fall under the category of "makes us more money" may as well not exist.
Sure - that's within one job, though. Not even one career.
w1ten1te ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:57:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime I hear this tax crap, all I can think is that you've never had to pay a high effective tax rate just for working harder. Let people get out what they put in, but give everyone the same opportunity.
Why even collect taxes, then? There is no redistribution of wealth occurring if you just get back what you put in.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So redistribution is the sole basis for taxation? Pretty strange.
Well I mean...kind of right? Roads, public services, ect. are really a distribution of value across a community.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:10:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we have public goods and service that are essential to a robust economy. Roads, schools, law enforcement, etc.
I can argue the efficiency of that spending, but conceptually it's an investment that benefits more than it costs. The same can be said for investing in a skilled workforce. If we are going to pay taxes they should be treated as a form of investment, not blanket wealth redistribution.
Yes let's bring back that un-American activities committe so revered in the 50s for weeding out communism, but just do it for conservatives and other people we deem as political enemies. It worked so well before!! Maybe people like you really would do better with a helicopter ride....
This isn't a fair statement. As someone who works 70-80hrs a week(100% my choice) as a skilled trade worker, when you start talking about redistributing funds, I freak the hell out. I don't think I need to waste time explaining why.
Please, I'm here asking that you consider these people you want to shun, as the very hard working Americans that they are. Americans who make good money solely from the effort their bodies can put out. We are the loud vocal group most of the time critiquing this redistribution of funds.
DocRocks0 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:57:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but Jesus did you think I was talking about you? Do you think most people talking about wealth redistribution have you in mind?
I think you SHOULD make more if you work more or have valuable skills or prerequisite training / education. When I talk about wealth redistribution I'm referring to people making 50-500x the salary of their average employees.
Yes, you have your Elon Musks's and Bill Gates' of the world and their personal wealth allows for investment into new project and charity, but the vast majority of what they did came from the revenue of selling their revolutionary products + services and stayed effectively inside the company. Most millionaires and billionaires, though, don't do anything with their money except hoard it in offshore bank accounts which hurt our economy. Every dollar sitting in their vaults unspent is a dollar not circulating in the marketplace and that hurts both regular folk and the economy as a whole.
Sorry for readability I had to rush this while in line for a table.
Couldn't agree more. Those people aren't on reddit, and a vast majority of them you will never come in contact with. So if you never see them who are you shunning?
The redistribution of wealth has and continues to only occur through government programs. Programs notoriously paid for though tax increases to anyone but the rich and our social security.
What damage has Nestle done exactly? people are forced to leave their home with no voice/choice or compensation? where has that happened? so? you think someone is going to dedicate 15+ years to study, med school, residency, then work for peanuts to make you feel better?
No one is an island,
its almost as if you don't understand your quote, employers and insurance companies are beholden to their employees and customers, man, No one is an island,
life is hard and unfair, if people choose to die thats up to them, its much better than forcing other people to serve them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah those factories give people a choice to work in better conditions with higher pay than their other options, the monsters!
people work for what they are worth, id love for everyone to be an astronaut and drive ferraris but reality won't allow it.
i know about socialism, so do most people that don't like it, that's why they don't like it, not that they simply don't know anything about it.
you don't need propaganda against communism, just look at it in practice, it is its own anti-communism propaganda
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Because the government had an entire continent to develop that was untouched as compared to Europe. Now that the cost of living has risen so highly a form of socialism will be needed. Don't like it? Tough luck dude. But the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:12 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:10 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you define as Socialism. And btw, Afghanistan is capitalist. Is that a country you would like to move to?
Oh of course. The rich are getting richer. The poor are getting poorer. If you're cool with that, then whatever. But many are not.
Sorry. But Trump got elected on a POPULIST platform. Otherwise, the Republican fat cats would have tried to give Cruz or Rubio the nomination. So the newest generation (which voted for Obama!!!) are far from Conservative. Go drown your sorrows on the failed "war on drugs" " war on terror" and many other failed operations all brought to you by the brave GOP (mic drop).
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:05 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rich are getting richer but the poor are NOT GETTING POORER :)
The poor are getting richer thankfully. Do you want to know why the middle class is shrinking? Because 37% of the middle class are now considered upper class.
I understand your resentment for the GOP. They're a good scapegoat for failed Democratic policies that have raped the inner cities, contributed to the 70% single motherhood in black families, and have left them dependent upon the government titty.
And I agree with you on the drug war and that Trump is a populist. I would much rather have a libertarian president that would shrink the size of the federal government.
I don't give a damn about 2 dudes getting married, I don't care if some irresponsible woman gets an abortion, and I certainly don't care what a tax paying citizen puts in his/her body,and I think the government tends to fuck things up in general for all of us.
But the last thing I want is the government to expand in the name of redistribution or socialism.
This is a great liberal sticking point that you guys like to trot out because you think this "progressivism" is the future but thankfully it's not. Social Conservatism has seen a huge comeback, thank God! Not only that but millenials aren't getting married or having kids thanks to their beliefs and anti-children stance.
Anti-feminism and pro Nation stances are extremely popular with the newest gen that is sick and tired of being told to be ashamed of yourself. The reason that Trump won was because of the pride in the U.S. and most of all being anti politically correct.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, not tough luck. I will fight you, and one way or another, i will win. Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you will lose. Look at California. You pricks wanted that cheap labor so bad, you let in millions of illegals who vote Democrat. LOL! How did that turn out for you? Good going loser! Socialism will come to America whether you like it or not. Suck it up buttercup.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:48:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us pricks? You? We? Who are you speaking of? Who who do you think i am?
Im willing to kill and die for what i believe in.
Namely that i own my own life.
I trade half of my life for money. Right now, you commies take 50 percent of that. So you take 1/4 of my life from me.
If you took 100 percent, i would onsider that literal slavery and take action. Obviously.
There is a line somewhere between 25 percent (current) and 100 percent (your goal). Just because you and your fellow travelers have not crossed it yet doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
When you cross that line, and 3 million Americans take up arms against you, whats your plan? Do you think you value your "right" to steal from me more than i value my right to my life, liberty, and the product of it (property)?
Who will do your dirty work and 3am door-kicking for you? Because i can garun-damn-tee you wont be doing it yourself. Thats for fucking sure.
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:32 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL that dumbass actually thinks we're just going to lay down and let the government overrule us! Socialism is brutally failing in every single society and America is thriving. We're so rich that even our poor are obese.
He thinks socialism will win because he spends all his time in the Reddit bubble with majority liberal teens, Europeans, and hard Bernie Sanders leftists. No free stuff for him or the dumbass antifa members, they're going to have to get off their fat asses and actually work for a living!
We're moving away from socialism not towards it. We have a Republican president, Republican majority house, and a Republican majority Congress.
Oh and just to sweeten the pie, the newest generation is the most conservative gen since WWII! Which I believe is due to the backlash against the ultra liberal past millenial generations that have gone full retard.
And if Communism WERE to take hold I and many other millions and millions of Americans would join you and possibly even fight to the death for our rights.
He's delusional if he thinks he's in the majority. HOWEVER he's 100% right about California and what immigrants have done to it. If we don't curb that shit right now, we may be outnumbered. This is why Democrats love immigration, millions of future voters that are dependant on government handouts that will continue to vote for bigger government. Americans are heavily opposed to the poisonous Communist ideology but foreigners are not. We have to fight that every step of the way.
Lets remember that correlation does not equate to causation. It's possible that rape is not a product of being poor, but maybe being poor is a product of being a rapist.
Well then, apparently I'm an idiot.
I truly don't understand the reason this comment got such negative feedback. Maybe I presented my thought the wrong way.
That's exactly my point... My statement was intended for those that believe income/personal wealth has any bearing on their tendency toward sexual assault.
It's not enough to say "X and Y are correlated, maybe there is a causal connection" (whichever way it goes). The first part is an observation, but the second is not a hypothesis because it is not testable. If you're going to argue that rape might be a cause of poverty in America, you have to say how that might happen. Something like
Rape leads to prison,
Prison leads to poor employment opportunities,
Poor employment opportunities lead to poverty.
This could be our hypothesis, which can be proven to be false if any of those links are broken.
Then we do a simple numbers analysis: Out of 1000 rapes, only 6 lead to incarceration. Even if 100% of prisoners face poverty afterwards, this makes it extremely unlikely for rape to be a primary cause of poverty (FYI, 45 million Americans live below the poverty line).
I only said it might be. Not as an exclusive explanation for it, but as a proposal for a different explanation as to why sexual assault cases are correlated with economic standing. There are obviously an infinite amount of factors that can induce such despicable behavior.
You proposed a hypothesis. There isn't really a solid underpinning for it. The end.
The hypothesis you seem to be criticizing, I can at least propose mechanisms for. They might involve isolation, social support, and education (including education about what consent is and isn't).
Question: You can't find an underpinning that a person who may tend toward sexual assault may also lack the ethical qualities that lead to a successful life? Also, a person that has actually been convicted of sexual assault would almost certainly face roadblocks to financial success.
I see the point, and it follows to point out there the vast majority of the poor are not rapists, and there are plenty of wealthy rapists, they just go about it with money.
I think the poverty/crime thing is in large part psychological, a lack of security and clear life path coupled with hardships that present a lot of opportunities for a person to disconnect to some degree and lose their objective morality, as said morality is based on connectedness to other people. Its not causality, but tendency. Its more external factors that could potentially compel someone to violent crime.
If you don't think poverty leads to serious problems that would, on the surface, seem unrelated, I'm not sure you're paying attention, or what to tell you. An analysis of society divorced from class-analysis is empty and useless, to downright reactionary.
Yes let's fly it under a different flag so people don't know what it is! But in all seriousness, redistribution of wealth isn't communism yes but it is the first of many steps down the road to communism and one that is integral to that political ideology. Also rested on top of the idea of redistribution of wealth are a whole bunch of other ideologies I don't agree with. So yes, while i feel some people need help through wealth redistribution I think it needs to be done as minimally as possible to keep economic incentives for production as high as possible. That doesn't seem to unreasonable? And it doesn't to a whole lot of conservatives as well, yet all day I read on here is the only reason to vote conservative is 1. You hate poor people . You hate minorities. 3. You're a dumbass.
For example my aunt has a book club and they had to read a book on getting inside the mind of a trump voter, seriously. I just don't see how you can take the mindset that the only reason people vote for "x" is "y" when the world just isn't that simple. It's almost like you have to go out of your way to not understand why people felt the way they did at election season, or at least not listen.
We just need to realize we all want wealth and economic prosperity and instead of spending our time trying to say the right things to win intellectual arguments we rather listen and try to understand someone else perspective because obviously we have been inside on our computers for so long now we don't even know how our ideas got so polarized in the first place. I also think if people took the time to skip generalities and focus on details or things that are at least controllable we would all realize we have the same goals in mind.
Like even if you never end up agreeing with someone if you give them the benefit of the doubt and believe what they are saying for a minute you can find things to take away from it and improve yourself.
Their post was an attempt to separate societal earnings reallocation from communism, which was presented as fact but not backed up in any way. The person you replied to tried to get the convo back on track to the original post, mocking yet another pro-communism person sandboxing out of context.
Dey say they ain't talkin bout communism but dey is, or inventing some stupid new flavor of it just to avoid the negative association with an ideology that led to the massacre of more people than the holocaust.
cthom412 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're saying that you can have a capitalistic society that doesn't have the income disparity that the US currently has. Taxes aren't communism as much as the tea party wants to say they are.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:14:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just making the point that you are being obtuse if you think that income redistribution will cure societies ills. Have you considered that the income/victim disparity is just a correlation and not causation? low income doesn't cause people to become child rapists.
cthom412 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you there. I didn't agree with that part of the argument, and I don't believe I ever said that I did.
I was only commenting on the fact that closing income disparity isn't in and of itself communism.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is fair. The status quo in the US doesn't seem sustainable. I think that there are practical solutions that don't take away the incentive to work.
Lars_lars_lars don't you know by now you can't argue with feels?
Maalmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not defending communism, but it's rather disingenuous to compare it to the Holocaust. Ofc communism killed more, but the Holocaust was a purposeful premeditated genocide. The deaths directly from Communism (gulags and prison camps would be from the totalitarian leaders, not the form of economy) are due to wildly incompetent leadership and a fundamentally flawed idea when put in present day context. In the future with near 100% automation of blue collar jobs it might be necessary.
cyniqal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dey say they ain't talkin bout communism but dey is, or inventing some stupid new flavor of it just to avoid the negative association with an ideology that led to the massacre of more people than the holocaust.
You realize that capitalism as an ideology kills more people every year than any "communist" has, right? But to call the red fascism of Stalin or Mao communist in the first place is naive. Communism does not exist without democracy, as it requires a stateless, classless society.
Lol every year? You realize that talking like this doesn't give support to any of your bullshit lies, right?
I'm talking about practical communism, that exists in the world today as defined by those who implement it. Not some ivory tower TRUE-SCOTSMAN type shit.
cyniqal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia isn't communist. What's your point?
Communism as an ideology is utopian. Communism itself has never killed anyone. For it to even exist requires humanity to live in a post-scarcity environment. A fascist dictator who calls their nation communist because they have a state sponsored economy, is not communist. Their terrible actions should not but a blight on communism, as they are not even following its core tenants.
It's like saying the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is actually a democratic-republic because it's in the name. It's naive and factually incorrect.
[deleted] ยท -51 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DocRocks0 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:48:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how this relates to my point.
All I got out of this reply is that you equate most poor people with being criminals or mentally retarded and/or ill.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligent people don't stay poor even if they're born into poverty (in general)
Not vaguely accurate, this is well known and has numerous studies backing it up. Access to education is key over all else, whcih the poor see the least of.
Linking to someone from the late/early 1800/1900s who created an unscientific iq test thats no longer used in any appreciable form isnt a source to anything. Also, eugenics. Hes taught as a detriment to psychology in every psych course
n1ywb ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:51:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please cite some sources for your bullshit "facts"
lorthic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So some veterans are homeless because they are poor and stupid?
Okay. Generally people are poor for many reasons. Low IQ can be a factor but can't categorize them all into they are poor because they are low IQ. Lots of stupid people are wealthy.
Edit: Also wikipedia isn't the most creditable source. My college professors wouldn't let us cite them on papers. Anyone can put what ever they want on that site and say it's fact.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:15:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know many many many poor people who are neither criminals or dumb people and the amount of anger I felt when I read that was palatable.
People become poor for many reasons. Educate yourself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a lot of correlation with that. People with money can offer their children more opportunities. (Duh)
Schools in poor districts don't have as much money from taxes and have to work with a lot less, the kids also often are not encouraged to do much with school (thought process of why would you do that we can't send you to college you will work menial joba like we did) and the schools' fundings are often cut for low test scores so then they have even less money to work with. Not to mention that low income also has higher rate of teen pregnancy due to lack of sex education, access to birth control, etc, causing more issues and people dropping out/ working nights-up all night so not doing well in school.
There are so many reasons that x leads to y. I'm homestly surprised someone with internet access and the ability to read isn't aware of this. Hm. Intelligence is a funny thing.
Tugalord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's some grade-a bullshit. Good job, I feel dumber, maybe if I read a couple more of your posts I can contribute to your made-up statistics.
odaeyss ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:08:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha hoooly fuck sources, sources, sources. go research that shit. try and back up your completely bullshit position, you fuckin loser.
OsmeOxys ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're poor, you're probably either very severely retarded or you rape children
Yup, that's a sentence alright.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:10:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats very different from what you said before you edited it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said "if youre poor, youre probably a 1) severely retarded or 2) a criminal (rapist, in context)". Thats... A hell of a lot more than saying "statistically more likely to commit crimes or be disabled".
If that was a miscommunication, youve really got to work on your wording man ._.
Though youre also wrong about the "If youre intelligent, you wont be poor" part. Someone who created an iq test that wasnt peer reviewed and isnt used in any form today isnt a source.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think people would be dumb enough to actually believe I think that every single poor person is retarded or a criminal.
Then dont say you think that...? I quoted you on that, and thats all Im saying about that. Also hes taught as a detriment to the field of psychology for a reason
Npr31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah woah woah, that kind of sweeping generalisation needs sourcing
Edwardian ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm OK with redistributing income, but only if it's fair. And by fair, I mean that someone who can't do what I can do, and doesn't work as hard as I work, shouldn't get what I get. But people who contribute evenly should be compensated as such.
So you're not in favor of literally pooling all wealth and then just dividing it per capita?
I have great news for you! Literally nobody is advocating that!
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not in favor of paying more in taxes so the government can mis-manage the money....
You ARE advocating more taxes so people who don't work as hard or aren't as capable can get more money for no more contribution, and I have to work harder to maintain the same standard of living. What incentive is there?
It would be helpful if cheap/ free/ low-cost access to family planning methods were readily available everywhere and at any time. Condoms, birth control, morning after pill, spermicide, early abortion and anything else that prevents/ stops pregnancy.
Just this one thing combined with better public education about safe-sex and pregnancy prevention would benefit the public at large.
Lowlypeon ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:41:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like "lack of money makes people rapists" it's "the kind of people who would rape also tend to be bad at holding a decent job."
Also "people who are bad at holding a decent job are also bad at getting away with being shitty"
I know there's some numbers to suggest it actually might be a poverty thing. Most of the sick bastards convicted actually have normal sex drives, and it tends to be a control/power thing more than pedo shit. Im not one for appeasement, but its not inpossible that if they had more control in their general lives, it would lower the rate of child rape.
Or could it be that rich rapists can afford better lawyers?
wtfOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...or can afford to pay for shit like this.
I'm sure all of the above factors in.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you're broke, ugly, and male you're going to have a hard time getting laid if you're not a rapist.
Up until about 50 years ago we dealt with this problem by making low value males kill each other for their countries, now you can just give them video games and they'll shut themselves in.
I would say that it's less about money, and more about family situation in general. A child who grows up with both parents around is a lot more likely to be successful than one who does not, in all aspects of life.
Lolanie ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just both parents around, but a generally stable homelife, regardless of income levels, is going to give kids a better outcome.
That means parents (or parent or guardian) that care about the kids, that aren't addicted to drugs or alcohol, and have a stable, adequate source of income to provide a home in a safe area and enough food on the table for everyone.
It also means having parents that don't have to work ridiculous hours to survive, so that they have time to help the kids with their schoolwork and make sure that they get to school on time, every day.
Healthy parents, mentally and physically, are able to help their children make healthy choices and have the energy (emotional and physical) to make sure that their kids' needs are met. Physical as well as emotional/nurturing needs. Being poor makes it difficult to have what it takes to meet all of your kids' needs all of the time, because of the sheer effort it takes to survive and meet basic needs (food and shelter). Add in addictions, and the kids have a hard time making it through childhood unscathed in those sorts of situations.
Their needs not getting fully met causes them to seek out things outside the core family unit to meet those needs, and so crime, addictions, and gangs are added to the mix.
It sucks. But, you know, welfare is communism and all that. Bootstraps are all they need! /s
When you start to look at money as flimsy pieces of paper and small discs of metal, it hits hard that you only value it because, well...you're told to. And now with money becoming more digital than ever, it's just a number that goes up and down in your bank account. It feels meaningless.
The money itself is meaningless, this is what a fiat currency is. However, what it does do is allow trade to happen much more easily. Consider going back to the barter system for a moment. If I have an extra pig and you have some milk, we might be able to trade my pig for some of your milk. But, what if I don't want any more milk and you really want some bacon? If we''re lucky, we can get Jeb down the lane involved who wants milk and had grain, which I want; but, he has no need for a pig. Now, what happens when neither Jeb nor I want your milk and you still want bacon? Maybe I give you the pig on the promise of some beef in the future when you have a cow die? So, how do I represent this promise? Maybe we'll draw up a contract. Or, if this happens often enough, perhaps we'll just create a small token that I hold onto which represents some of your beef in the future. And what if I decide I need grain but Jeb doesn't want my pig, can I give him the beef token instead? And while we're exchanging tokens, why do they need to be based on beef? What if we created a general purpose token and we can base our trades on various numbers of those tokens? Oh wait, we've just created fiat currency again.
Ultimately, the meaning of money is value. The money itself and the numbers of that money are meaningless. However, that money and the numbers of it represent the ability to obtain real goods with real value. The use of money for that exchange just means that we can both defer the transactions and also engage in trade with an unlimited number of people without the difficulty of finding all the people who want to be involved in a trade. You can get bacon now and I can get milk later; but, we can also get grain as needed and anything else which exists in our system. Expand that system far enough and we can get anything we want, so long as we have enough money to trade for the intrinsic value of the items we are obtaining.
The only caveat to this whole system is that we have to keep the system running. The minute people stop agreeing that the money we are using represents value in our system, it ceases to have any value. And anyone left holding only money suddenly has nothing of value. The fortunate thing is, this is a long, long way from happening. So, while the amount of money you have is just a number which goes up and down, it represents value in a very real way. A $20 bill is just a funny piece of cloth by itself; but, because of the system we have built around those funny pieces of cloth, it represents the ability to obtain items of real value. Even better, it represents items of real value which you didn't necessarily want (or know you might want) at the time you received that funny bit of cloth.
Thank you for your well thought out response. You are right in that the barter system isn't perfect by any means. Maybe it's because I work a register, but giving people food and cigarettes in return for paper, metal, or swipe of a card, starts to feel very weird after a while.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there proof of money being at the base of these problems? I'm sure it doesn't help bing poor and having lack of resources to get out of bad situations, but this shit has been going on for a very long time.
(Not OP) I don't know if this is the causation, but my best guess is that poor people are more likely to move in with someone faster (read: knowing less about them) in order to lower expenses in the immediate future than a financially comfortable person is.
Say you're a single parent making minimum wage and you're behind on rent, about to be evicted. You meet someone who seems cool and you go on a couple dates. You learn your new squeeze also has a job (maybe you know how much, maybe you don't) and you also learn that they're in the same boat when it comes to being behind on rent. So you think "hmm. If we moved in together, I won't lose my apartment!" You don't know a lot about them, but you know that you'd benefit from someone helping out with rent. And hell, they might even lessen your burdens in other ways too! They can help with chores, drive you when your car breaks down again, make sure your kid doesn't watch HBO, that kind of thing.
A financially comfortable person isn't worried about losing their apartment or electricity, so when they meet someone they like, they're not making a cohabitation decision with such urgency. They're getting by and don't desperately need someone to split expenses. A person earning more might be more comfortable splitting expenses (I know I'm certainly more comfortable living with a partner) but they can afford to take time and get to know that person much better and have a bigger window of opportunity to look for red flags. There's no "I'm going to lose x, y, and z if I don't do this right now."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you say money is at the "base", I read that as "root" or alternatively that (a lack of) money causes these kinds of problems. I see virtually no reason to think that low income CAUSES child rape.
It seems to me much more likely that the type of person to rape a child is highly likely to be a generally shitty person, and to be poor because they suck at life in general.
Pos26 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:52:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only seems like poor people are the rapists because they're the only ones convicted. Their are just as many wealthy child rapists as poor, it's just the wealthy people get away with it and their sin is unreported as a crime statistic because it's not a crime unless convicted.
If I wanted to prove my statement I'd have to look into how many wealthy people are accused of rape vs poor people being accused. However, the wealthy also might get accused less often because people take it for granted that accusing someone who is wealthy gets you nowhere.
Edit: just look up the du pont heir child rapist
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would speculate that the shitty, worthless type of person who could rape a child AND be rich must have some sort of overwhelming skill/advantage that led to that situation being possible. Like a super intelligent sociopath vs a dumb one.
Or they were born into a family that was already worth millions of dollars.
DrMobius0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, less money tends to indicate lower levels of education as well as knowledge of and access to legal resources. Poor/absent parenting both creates adults who lack the moral character to not do something like this and creates opportunities for it to happen. Increased prevalence of substance abuse/dependence and mental illness likely doesn't help either. Best part is, it sets up the next generation for the same problems too.
Another way to put it is, you would probably not get away with assaulting a rich girl in the way you could with some poor kid.
I'm fairly sure the best way to fix poverty is to try to ensure that the kids growing up in it have access to needed health resources, emotional support, and education. Increasing their chances to make it through childhood without serious mental illness and with a decent educational foundation is probably the best way to ensure that they can get and stay out of poverty.
Conflicts between groups of humans are usually class conflicts, even if wrapped up in other reasons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The question becomes, how could we run the world that wouldn't leave people open to sexual assault being more prevalent for certain groups rather than others that's based heavily on status/wealth?
It could be that education and self development that plays a big part instead of money.
The money thing is a result of people recognizing the skills and paying what they are worth.
This makes it easier data to gather.
The other scenario is what you eat and what the daily amount of stress is will impact the chance. To me that seems more unlikely than scenario 1
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of morons who have given your comment an answer, many of whom are undoubtly cultural marxists, is staggering. It's a fairly rare thing to see the full idiocy of a good chunk of Reddit's young and impressionable userbase being put into action the way we see it being done in this thread.
It's not ultimately about money, it's about power, money being one of the most ubiquitous and visible forms of power. It's also easier to measure, so we can get more stats on money. Point is, people without power are more likely to get shit on.
We have another way. It's called socialism. Capitalism fulfilled its role: overthrowing feudalism. Time to let it go, because it's now just a lumbering ghoul, feeding on everything good.
I hate money as much add the next guy, but in this situation I think money isn't the issue, it's just sign. People who are intelligent and successful are, I would assume, less likely to do something like this. Whereas poor dumbasses that would, can't hold a fucking job long enough to make 15k a year. But then you hear how widespread it is in Hollywood and I feel like money just helps you get away with it.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buddy, money is just a means of facilitating the trade of goods and services. Stupid, vulnerable people don't have money both because they are incapable of offering a worthwhile service to earn it, and because when they do earn it smarter people exploit it out of their pockets.
Money aside, there will always be vulnerable people and those who seek to exploit them.
I didn't mean to imply that, just that there's a strong correlation between poverty and stupidity. Not every stupid person is poor, and not every poor person is stupid.
But in the same way that people with poor intelligence tend to make up a vast majority of the financially poor, they also tend to make up a vast majority of those being sexually or financially exploited, a majority of those exposed to or victims of violence, and a majority of those imprisoned by the police.
Correlation isn't causation. It could be that people who underreport income while collecting welfare are more likely to commit all crimes in general. It could be that people who have reduced intellect and logical reasoning skills are more likely to have lower income but also more likely to invite a strange man into their home to live with them and their daughter. It could be the predator seeing that the mother works a lot at a low wage job and is seeing an opportunity for a lot of alone time with a young girl. It could be that drug users are more likely to be impoverished and also too strung out to defend their daughters.
It's inexcusable that any children are ever assaulted, but if we are truly going to help children we need to find out what happened case by case and act on the results.
Much like the NTSB investigates a crash - something went wrong, we don't know what, but saying "trains are x% more likely to crash than airplanes" doesn't help. You have to figure out why the train crashed, what could have prevented it, where the built in fail-safes failed, and how to make sure that never happens again.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism will not work, before you think of that
Tugalord ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We tried. The US made sure it didn't work, and managed to convince everyone that it was the spawn of Satan. It's a pity.
Unfortunately a lot of it is that sexual abuse becomes normalized in families because it is so common and a cycle.
The_Flurr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, thr amount of parents in these stories who do nothing because they went through the same thing and were told to shut up about it is horrendous
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't foster care, but my mom used to have to rent out a room of our house so we could afford it. One night I woke up to the male roommate staring at me in bed from the hallway (i was little so i used to sleep with the door cracked and the hall light on). He saw me see him looking at me, so he went to his room. Nothing happened. Some time later I was called into the counselor's office at school and asked a bunch of questions that, to me, were coming from nowhere. Turns out that guy was molesting not only his own daughter (who lived with us), but her friends too.
edit: added a word
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:28:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:39:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOTHING, cuts your feet from underneath you like a lack of family.
Only yesterday i've read the story of Genie), the "feral child" that was pretty much abused by her father by restraining her and depriving her of any human contact (physical or even vocally) except for feeding her ocasionally, barking at her and hitting her, from when she was born. at 13, she had the mental age of a toddler, but thrived as soon as she was put into a family setup with scientists and researchers who worked with her. as soon as she was put into fostercare, her developement regressed again
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:18:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. I had a similar experience in high school. I remember sitting the bus and the girl who just broke up with me pointed at her sexual assault as a reason to not be dating. It hit me hard. Not because she broke up with me. She was the eighth person whom I had considered a girlfriend, and the 7 before that had all disclosed sexual assaults. In my head, having the ratio of girls I had dated who has been molested/raped go from 7/8 to 8/8 was too much to bear.
At one point you can be like 12.5% of your sample of prospective partners aren't going to be a victim to all of them will be ... there was no chance to avoid it. Like you don't even have a one-in-eight chance of finding a girl who hasn't been pre-traumatized up by someone else. Nary a percentage point for Hope to hide behind. No one prepares young boys for that. I doubt they would have expected to have to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. It's simply terrible. My marriage is in good shape, but I'd suffer almost anything to keep it afloat for appearances sake rather than let a non-biologically related male live in the same house as my kids while they're kids. People are seriously fucked up.
I worked in a foster group home for jevenile delinquent teen girls. I wouldn't be on the same floor of the house alone with any of them. If I was cooking breakfast, one of the girls would have to wait until there was another girl to accompany her downstairs. We explained that this arrangement keeps everyone safe. The girls couldn't make false allegations unless, for some reason, I broke protocol. And the girls had a guarantee that I wasn't going to try and fuck them.
One time, one of the more troublesome addicted girls made overtures of falsely alleging sexual impropriety against me to another one of the girls (Let's call her Jamie) who was also mad at me about her poor school behavior report. Despite being pissed, Jamie told this girl that if she did that that she would personally smash her face. Then Jamie told all of the other fosterkids what the addicted girl said, and then we had to intervene because of a weeklong silence treatment...
You haven't been in a strange place until you have been in a group therapy circle with 6 teenage kids, 5 of which are blacksheeping another in an attempt to protect you, and you have to intervene on behalf of the person who was casually considering complicating your entire fucking future life with a false rape allegation, because if that addict didn't have social connections, she wasn't going to get better ever. A fucking diplomatic chinese fingertrap.
Yeah, I did. It always made me feel conflicted. The kids, when appropriate for a house setting, were the best part of the job. It was even better when we could leave out some of the leave it to beaver part of our artificial reality that we were making and actually be ourselves. We walked into the job as ideaological hippies planning on being the coolest mofos around. It took a week for us to turn into the strictest squares those kids ever met. They didn't need friends, they needed to learn how to negotiate with authority, so we gave them that. We became the house that all of the other kids were scared of being placed in, but once placed in it, they felt pity for the kids in the other houses. They thought that they got lucky to be placed with us instead of foster couples that tried to literally exorcise their demons (as baptists...weird) and force them into churches and left them to feed themselves prepackaged garbage.
Since we left the position 5 years ago, 3 of the 30 some kids that came through our house have died of addiction overdoses. One was obviously not ready to go, but what can you do?
But I was saying, the job is important, sure. What would really help, and this is no bullshit, is more money to go towards teen mental health/job training.
The thanks ring sour anyway, because we already know that a number of the other people in the same position as us got the same sort of thanks and praise, and they definitely didn't earn it. We had a Caseworker from the big city come down, sleep in their car in our driveway for an hour, and drive away, counting that as their 1 hour of consultation for the month. We had another child advocate who encouraged a kid in our house to keep secret the fact that she smoked K2 till she passed out on her weekend pass, so that when her mom dropped her off with instructions to take her to the emergency room for "dehydration" we were left inadequate information to actually help her. (Her mom didn't want to waste quality home time with an ER visit, which is cool, but why did she let her daughter waste quality home time overdoing K2?)
Id rather that kids get therapy/job training. And with good, competent, race & class-conscious therapists to do it...
Yes, I agree. And any father with any sense will keep that in mind when it comes to non-biologically related males living with their children.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is part of why I was glad that my sister lost custody of her daughter. She's always with sketchy dudes and has no skills of her own so she latches on to these men for support. Her last husband was tickling my niece who was 8 years old. My niece told him to stop but he kept it up. Luckily my other sister was there and she put an end to it. He even tried to kick her out. I haven't seen him again since because he divorced my sister shortly after my mom kicked them both out of her house. He was mooching off my sister who was in turn mooching off my mom. If she had gotten custody I would have sued for custody.
Glad to hear it. So your niece is with her father now?
Seeing as how you brought it up, consider sending that girl some cookies in the mail. Nothing keeps family, especially extended family together like random ass treats. Then, if she gets into a tough spot, she still has that aunt who sends cookies here and there to reach out to.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:42:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not much better. She came to visit my sister and her hair was so infested with lice that it was clumping up. My wife cried and wanted to adopt her then. My niece's situation has improved.
mrrp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:40:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The single biggest risk to your children getting fucked by an adult is cohabitating with a non-biologically related male.
I can't help but think that single parents (for whatever reason) are stupid to introduce another adult into the house. It's just asking for trouble. Yes, I understand you want a boyfriend or a relationship or help with the bills or whatever, but your primary responsibility is to your children. Get them through high school and then you can put yourself first again.
I think there might be a lot to be learned by watching a parent struggle with relationships while having a kid. I mean that's kind of the model going forward isn't it? So maybe having your kids see you boot a motherfuker to the curb is really good training for their own adult life wherein I guarantee you they will have to boot a motherfuker to the curb
k-w- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad had to kick his girlfriend out for harassing and insulting my brother and I (plus letting our cats outside when repeatedly told not to, cats fucking died). They're still together anyway a year later and fight all the time.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:31:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no vulnerability to a predacious world like an orphans vulnerability. You can talk about privilege until you are blue in the face, but nothing, NOTHING, cuts your feet from underneath you like a lack of family.
I've been trying to articulate this for years, thank you. The first time it happened to me I was four. Once it happens it's like a glowing neon sign over your head that only other predators can see. We lived with different people constantly, always living in chaotic, miserable poverty. The things people will do to a kid when they know nobody cares are vile.
RscMrF ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can talk about privilege until you are blue in the face
I mean, 50% of households are below 50k a year, and 70% of people do. Perhaps we just would prefer it all goes away, and force our perception of normal to be a hopeful place where real justice exists and it's bad people who aren't our family, friends, or our friends families. Probably why people buy stock in blacklives matter being terrorists: their presence highlights how fucked "normal" has been ...and it's easier to attack the messenger than it is to face all that unpleasantness. Livin the lie, man. It's where the fucking peace is at.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I know a sexuality researcher specializing in military trauma, Ill ask her about some of the stats & psychodynamics next time we hang out.
theGurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Was military brat until ~5 years old, except my parents kept up the habit of moving every 2 years, so I never had a long-term home until I was 14, and have a hard time making friends.
This ignores female rapists, who are about as prevalent as male rapists, but who are seldom seen for what they are by society, since that would shatter the illusion that women are always "mothering" and "caring". Bottom line is, gender has no bearing on a person's ethics or agenda. It only shifts what tactics a person might use, and how severe punishment might be if they are caught.
Statistically, cohabitating with non biologically related females do not pose an increased risk of sexual traumatization before the age of 18. Based on arrest data.
Are there female rapists? Yes. I'm willing to bet that they tend to Cluster in child care positions even. But disregarding one set of stats that may very well affect your life because there's another uncalculated set of risks seems foolhardy, no?
This underscores the point I just wrote, that society doesn't acknowledge that females rape. Instead, society wants to think of females as incapable of such acts.
This also applies to non-sexual abuse. Women who abuse their male partners in relationships are seldom seen as the predators they are. Instead the men are told to "man-up". (Yet if they defend themselves they are somehow considered weak - a rock and a hard place).
Look at cases in the US where female teachers who rape their male students are often described as having had an affair, and sometimes the boy (as young as twelve in articles I've read thus far) is labelled the instigator and described as a partner, rather than a rape victim.
My overall point is that people tend not to look objectively at cases of abuse because they have rose-coloured glasses when they look at females.
Seriously, how do people ignore these things just because there are no arrests?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:21:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women rape less, It's a fact. Does that mean that they never rape? No, of course they do, but they are wayyy less likely to. So, probability wise, a guy is more likely to rape you than a woman is. That's what they're saying.
Not really a strawman if it's also a concern. Many people here are saying only men need to be watched out for. Don't you have weeb nonsense to go post about?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, no. Why are you struggling with my point? Anyways this weeb will be satisfied with my reading comprehension and ditch this conversation.
By that logic it also ignores biological fathers, uncles, brothers, and cousins who are rapists as well. It's just pointing out one fact shown by empirical data.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:56:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all white privilege says is that a white orphan will be better off than a black one, not that a white orphan can't suffer as well
No shit. But when you have these privilege discussions, material assets tend to get ignored, and if they aren't ignored, familial assets tend to be ignored, and if they aren't ignored, you've ascended to the ethically sourced golden throne of intersectionality.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:02:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
absolutely, economic privilege trumps all other kinds
They may have changed since the new Bureau of justice crime reports came out, and they may not be accessible due to trump's clamp down on public data. I'll see if I can find the grant I wrote that used them.
Not to mention in a lot of related aspects of this problem--child porn rings, sex slavery, etc.--money is a massive fucking motivator.
Could never figure out why my ex-girlfriend's parents didn't seem to notice the blatantly upsetting shit she did to me when they were around, but it made a hell of a lot more sense when I realized she was making bank for her family off of me.
windirein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this day and age there are maybe 3 families in the us with income above 50k, which means everyone is fucked. Literally.
ass2ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son is 9 years old, and I don't ever plan on having more kids. I love my son, but I'm not a fan of taking care of babies / toddlers at all.
If I can get to a stable point in my life within the next few years, I am going to seriously consider adopting / fostering a kid (or kids) in the 5 - 10 year old range. That seems like it is the most vulnerable range, and if I could give them a good, safe home, then that is one less kid that has to worry about this shit.
I will never understand people who sexually abuse children. It just seems so innately wrong. I've often heard that people who do horrible things generally don't consider themselves, or their actions, to be evil...but how the fuck could a child rapist justify it in their mind? How could they not know that they are evil scum?
What can be proven is that the likelihood of abuse and resilience against that abuse is modulated by socio-economic factors. What can be proven is a direct correlation between substance abuse and childhood trauma. It's weird how substance abuse stats across the socioeconomic classes seem to proportionately mirror trauma rates. It's almost like people try to self medicate from feelings of pain, even emotional pain.
I mean, let's not lose focus. Mental health and these guys' own trauma histories are part of this problem. Even Ted kazynskie was once a kid on a tricycle.
Someone fucked that kid up.
This is why I support medicare for all. Imagine if we could substantively address childhood abuse by making treatment readily available, at no direct cost to wages. It will definitely help addiction rates and longterm chronic pain rates. And maybe...just maybe, if you got raped as a child, you can escape the cycle. Imagine a whole lot of guys in a generation being given the tools to escape the cycle of abuse at an early age. Butterymales.
Tugalord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear that. It's a tone deaf dismissal of a person's life story to use the perception of their (non-economic) privilege as average against them. I think what people are saying is that there is a person who was dealt as shitty a hand as you, AND they have to deal with racism, disability, periodblood, and people who haven't gotten over periodblood yet.
I exempt out economic privilege not because you can't be fucked over by life if you were once a rich person, but because if you're currently rich, you have all the power over your trajectory in ways that the poor do not.
I think what people are saying is that there is a person who was dealt as shitty a hand as you, AND they have to deal with racism, disability, periodblood, and people who haven't gotten over periodblood yet.
Ya you think that? https://imgur.com/a/osnI1, of course you do. Make sure to glance at that username.
It's not all males, it's just statistically most likely to occur. I know that I've decided not to rape any kids. I know tons of guys who have no problem with not raping kids.
While I agree with humans being animals, we are also animals that have affected the environment in which we raise the human animal. Humans are autonomous self teaching algorithms whose hardware is to prioritize maslow's heirarchy of needs while balancing immediate gain versus delayed reward. And if you seed the environment in specific ways, you can make those humans generally develop similarly. And if that algorithm is sexually traumatized early enough, certain sequelae can be predicted. (IBS, TMJ, pelvic floor disfunction, etc) The terrible one two punch that our culture has made into our environment is homophobia, little conversation about bodies and sex, and boys don't cry. If a boy is traumatized in that environment, they wind up programming themselves to repeat the cycle on others. They can't talk about emotions, they aren't talking about sexuality healthily with others, and the door to fucking children has been forced open for them.
So, I know a few guys that it wouldn't surprise me if they raped a stepkid. And it's not like there is an intervention for that guy that I can stage. I can try to speak idealistically around them. I can hope that they go to therapy, or I can even suggest it in the right venue. But I can't just pretend they aren't there.
I don't know exactly how rare it is, but the simple fact that this is enabled by society is ducked up. No one is intrinsically bad, but there are social pattern that will turn a fine person into a 100% piece of shit. This I can't stomach.
Honestly, I am trying to make a difference every day, and I do. I am also trying to go wide with the difference, even though it might take me 30 years to reach a result. But what really annoys me is how easily people fall. Society, religions, education, all of this is supposed to help people develop sanely, and in most case it ends up the opposite way. Which let me think that mankind is a failure on a global scale. We are not able to endorse the behavior of our species. On the list of things the average human wants to kill, another human gets the first place. Isn't that saddening enough to become a bit nihilistic ?
But the stats are being collected about victims not offenders. We don't know the socio-economic status of the offenders from the source. I'm sure that there are criminology stats that can help here
I question whether the poverty is the cause. I think more likely very bad behaviors tend to make you poor. Anti social behaviors make you poor. I don't think supplementing 25,000 per year would stop Uncle Horrid from molesting anyone.
Poverty or perception of poverty? Relative poverty, 30k is no where near bad compared to world. It's a mental thing, the poor always take more risk because they have nothing to lose.
Those stats are from US bureau of justice/ US census reports. 30k isn't a bad wage for a singleton. But you also don't have your full suite of moving options or choice of affiliations at 30k. You can't wake up tomorrow and move your family of four away from a bad neighborhood, or afford your overpriced city unit without a roommate, or make wineswirling friends.
Again, I assume that the rate of sexual abuserdom is even across all economic classes because the ability to hide from consequences increases manyfold as you rise in wealth and political sway. The rate of sexual victimization skews poorer.
The single biggest risk to your children getting fucked by an adult is cohabitating with a non-biologically related male.
Sorry no. Stranger danger is a myth and you have no real sources to back it up with. The majority of sexual assault on children occurs within the family and females make up a good chunk of it, giving men a run for their money. Don't believe me? Google about 10 year old Victoria Martens from New Mexico, see how your biased narrative holds up against that case. This statistic precedes your stranger danger propaganda by the dawn of humanity. Any sources dating back that far for foster care?
I'll check my source. This isn't stranger danger because these are cohabitating males. I'm talking about people the victim knows which is what most perpetrators are. Stepdads and roommates and boyfriends.
Give me a few hours and I can pull the source from that grant I wrote.
I'm guessing that you or someone you care about were abused by a female? I ask cuz you are weirdly passionate about distorted aspects of my assertions. Things that indicate to me a need to protect team male. If so, consider getting therapy as needed if you can afford it. If not, I don't know why it seemed to ruffle your feathers so much to hear someone indicate that men are disproportionately charged with crime, probably because they commit it more, or more flagrantly. That's just reality.
Not bull. It's not the lack of money that affects the rape stats, it's proximity, and sometimes obligate proximity, to people likely to offend/never receive adequate mental health care to stave off sexual acting out. If you looked at those stats in context and assumed that my point was poor people are more likely to sexually abuse others, you failed to read correctly. No attribution of morality or ethics was put forth. A lack of money has a causative effect on your motherfuckin options in life.
When I was a kid, I got multiple talks about what to do if uncle sal ever approached me. I was lucky in that my parents were realists about sexuality and proactive and could afford to entirely cut off a wing of the family. Lots of poor folks don't have those assets, or even the time to employ them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you could link the stats it might clear things up.
Bureau of Justice Statistics. (2014). Household Poverty And Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008โ2012
I got a number wrong. I'll edit it.
From a grant:
"Incarcerated people have a median pre-incarceration annual income that is 41% less than non-incarcerated people of similar ages.The likelihood of being a victim of sexual assault is doubled if the household income is below the national median income, and amongst people whose households make less than $15,000 per annum, that rate doubles again."
This is exactly it. Even if the perps are well-off and manage their lives successfully, they know full well that when it comes to destitute kids, "no one really cares." (They do, but.) There's a reason it's a huge deal when something like this happens to wealthy kids, and the same reason sex workers in flyover areas get killed. People who have nothing backing them have no standing in society. It's rare to find a truly good person with the means and authority to help disadvantaged victims.
If your family brings in 30kless than 50k a year, you have twice the statistical chance of being sexually assaulted before you turn 18. That chance doubles again if your household makes less than 20k 15k a year.
Being a statistician, I take issue with wording like this. Whether you get raped or not is not a "statistical chance." It's a conscious decision on someone's part, and being poor does not make you "more likely" to get raped, as though if one of your parents gets laid off, you suddenly become more vulnerable to sexual assault AT HOME. There is a correlation between these variables, surely, but that does not imply an increased "likelihood" that depends on income.
Money is abstract power in this culture. I'm sure you can refine some bins and maybe find out common themes but the reality may very well be that if you make less you must necessarily deal with more pedophilic influences on your life. Your chances of experiencing a sexual assault before the age of 18 is quadruple if your family income is $15,000 or less. And if you're looking for correlation how about lack of power. It's not that hard to identify the poor people.
My point isn't that there isn't a correlation, or that there is no reason for this. My point is that you're calling something a "chance" that isn't a "chance." Correlation does not imply causation, and it doesn't have implication on the individual level unless you can show why.
If your statement was correct as stated, it would mean that if your family's income drops, that you suddenly become more likely to be assaulted, and likewise that you could greatly improve your chances of avoiding it if your family comes into some money. That may very well be true, but you need to demonstrate why before you make claims that X can cause Y.
Someone needs to. We observe an increase in risk of you fit in a certain bin. The observations are there and there is a way to avoid the implications of those observations. Granted, it's not a total absolvement from risk, I mean if you are shacking up with a pedophile your chances are that if you come into money you're still living with a pedophile.
I don't understand why you are choosing to fight for this particular hill. It could very well be a zeitgeist function of things that aren't statistically significant difference between poor people and rich people but when combined in the commonplace combinations that they occur in relative to the culture of Rich vs poor, that isolating any single variable would be impossible to prove with science. In this case money equals options, you can hire a lawyer you can trust the police to defend your POV. Until we can monetize these externalities, we need to see how to apply the information we've been given. By increasing people's options you literally increase their capacity to escape a situation that includes sexual assault. This leads me to believe that you cannot necessarily pin it to anything other than socioeconomic status, because then you're studying two behaviorally different samplez.
One's only recourse then is to extrapolate what the observations would indicate. So why not skip that middleman cuz no one's funding the differences between rich and poor, and just assume that being poor means you get a shity chance on not getting raped compared to not being poor?
I've heard the same thing. It's like the predator justifies it to themselves and the victim by saying, "Well, it's a teenage girl, so they're going to have sex eventually, why not with me? It's not going to do any harm. Since teenagers are so sexed up anyways."
Completely ignoring the fact that they're 10+ years older, in a position of power, and has either coerced or just straight up forced themselves on the young victim.
The delusional 'justification' of the daughter being INTO THEM is also disgustingly common.
It's dark joke when people joke about child rapists saying "the 5 year old /12 year old came onto ME." But that's actually what many of them twistedly believe.
Its like, no you sick fuck, no one is "jealous" of the 12 year old "liking" you because it's transparent that YOU are the sick fuck in this equation.
I feel safe not using a throwaway for this because i don't share my reddit handle, and if when one gets found out I go scorched fuckin earth on it:
My niece was raped repeatedly from the ages of 5 to 8 by a male family memeber that lived in the house.
He tried to justify it by saying they were "in love". "She told me she loves me! We're in love!" He said those exact words. He was in his 30s at the time.
Of course your 5 year old cousin just told you she loved you. You said you loved her and it is a conditioned response to reciprocate the statement at that age to someone you're related to/that takes care of you.
...and now my fucking blood is boiling talking about it.
Only thing that makes me feel better is thinking about the beating brother gave him. It was so bad his own mother didn't recognize him after and he nearly died twice on the way to the hospital.
Okay thats enough reddit today.. Going to hug my son and take him to the park. -_-
i remember seeing a warning add for child abuse when i was a kid. there was a baby in diapers on the picture with the words "You're honour, she seduced me." next to her....nearly made me puke.
Elle_em ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:34:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy you say this. My dad's best friend molested my sisters & me ( started when I was about 6 years old) & about three or four years ago my sisters and I decided to speak up about it because he was coming back to the US from Mexico & was supposed to be staying with us. My sister has two kids (they were about 4 and 5 at the time) and there was no way in hell I was letting that fucker in our home with those kids in there. I'd kill him if he touched them. Anyways, my aunt (mom's sister) was fucking the dude for a while and the bitch had the nerve to say that my sisters and I came on to him & HE said to my aunt that I would get on the computer and send him messages. I'm fucking SIX years old for fucks sake. Needless to say he didn't come back to the US & my aunt is well, not a part of our lives.
12 year olds initiating, as they're learning about sex and getting hormones (my female friend decided to have sex when she was 11 with her neighbor who was 10); however, its the responsibility of the older ones to say no. But kids? They don't even have a concept of sex.
I cannot wrap my head around children as young as 10 having sex. I was barely interested in boys when I was 10. I just wanted to play with Barbies and watch cartoons.
marsglow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just ignored it, other than saying,"that's not a defense." He did keep telling me that, but he ended up pleading guilty to about26 counts of child rape. He'll never get out of prison which is probably a good thing.
Some years ago there was a Scandinavian survey, where thy asked questions like "can a girl thats 8/9/10/.../15 in some cases be blamed, if they are raped?"
And
"Should a female nurse take it as a part of the job, if a male patient or relative to a patient touches their behind or breasts/ask them quistions of a sexual natur?"
Questions that in general aimed at how much girls/women was to blame, when a male was sexually inappropriate/violent against them, according to the male population.
The answers was horrifying (it was before the "Malmรถ is the rape capital of the world"-debacle). The amount of men that was sure, that sexual harassment and rape (including rape of children), was the females own fault was staggering. I can't count how many times I read stuff like "girls are a lot more grown up nowadays, if they wanna dress like a slut, they must face the consequence" and "if you become a nurse, you'll just have to deal with stuff like that. They should take it as a compliment".
(I'm not saying that all men are r/incel material just waiting for rape to be legal. I'm fairly certain that an absolute majority of men, would never rape anybody, but as long as there's more than 0 males with that attitude, there's a problem).
(I'm not saying that all men are r/incel material just waiting for rape to be legal. I'm fairly certain that an absolute majority of men, would never rape anybody, but as long as there's more than 0 males with that attitude, there's a problem).
The sad truth is that even if 1% of humans are willing to commit sexual assault, the data shows they can victimize a hugely disproportionate number of people until they're caught (and, sometimes after). Rapists are almost always repeat offenders.
Plus it only takes one person to rape someone, and that person will forever have that awful memory and lifetime membership to a very depressing club :-/
Same goes with sexual harrassment, of course. Some guy on reddit just yesterday or the day before tried to tell me that women must not actually experience sexual harrassment as much as they say they do because most men (according to him) don't do it.
In his defense (no, not really) he thinks "sexual harassment" only means your boss rubbing your shoulders while suggesting that screwing him would be good for your career. When he tells a joke about a "blonde slut" in the office, he's just joking, so lighten up! I mean, why don't you have a sense of humour?
or it's someone like me who, because I don't get out much, have only seen one case of sexual harassment in my life. some people are dumb enough to type something on a computer that one person couldn't build on their own if they spent their whole life trying, but they think their own experiences are enough to make that kind of judgement
Based on a 1987 study by Abel et. al, the average rapist gets away with 7 rapes before they're reported, and the average child molester gets away 167 molestations.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One person can rape a lot of people, particularly if they live in a society/area that shames rape victims over rapists for some fucking reason and keeps them safe to keep going forward for years.
a huge number of men are rapists because they don't think it's rape. Ask a man if he's a rapist and he'll say no that's awful. Ask if he's had sex with someone who couldn't say no, or someone who didn't clearly say yes and suddenly he says yes he has. I do think too many men genuinely don't understand.
Solensia ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:38:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one, not even a slut, ever deserves to be raped.
"girls are a lot more grown up nowadays, if they wanna dress like a slut, they must face the consequence" and "if you become a nurse, you'll just have to deal with stuff like that. They should take it as a compliment".
BULLSHITE!! Not a compliment at all if someone gropes you, it's assault. Just because a girl LOOKS grown up doesn't mean that she has the mental awareness of what sexual activity actually means. I lost my virginity at 20: I wasn't mentally ready until then.
deja-roo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funny (using the term loosely) part about that is that probably the same crowd will in a different conversation complain about how people today refuse to "grow up".
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:12:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if a child stood in front of you, yelling "fuck me hard in the ass, with big dick", it's your responsibility not to act on it.
If that makes anyone think "well okay, in that case it must be all right to put my dick i that ass, eeeven just a little", it's not the child that's to blame... Because it's a freaking child!!! They don't know what the fuck they are talking about or signaling.
I absolutely agree. but what should happen isn't always what does, and usually ends up being a total crap shoot about whether or not it actually makes a change towards making things better. how often do you have to yeild the right of way when driving because some moron does something that will get people killed if you don't? I see it every day, and two days ago it was me literally driving off the road to dodge someone cutting across three lanes of traffic towards an off ramp while braking to make sure they made it in time. you don't have to worry about the people who are smart enough to live safely in society, you have to to worry about the people who are to dumb to do the right thing or the people that want to hurt others.
trying to change behavior while thinking about these people as anything less than morons is going to point you in the wrong direction. if "should" was enough, they'd already be doing the right thing
I'm against rape in the real world. In a fantasy, it would be an experience I'd want to try. (I'd also want to try some alien tentacle bullshit too since we are pretending here) I'd do a lot of stuff in fantasy that I'd never ever want to do in real life.
But to do it in real life and justify it boils my blood. That's my sister or my girlfriend or wife or mother or cousin or niece. And if it's not mine, it's my friend's, or your friends. It's a person. It's absolutely unacceptable to even think that anyone was "asking for it."
I think that if nurses are expected to work with mentally impaired patients and people tripping in painkillers, then that's going to wind up being part of the job regardless of morality, no?
It is, but there's different kinds of it.
I am a nurse, and in dealing with, lets say a male with dementia, I know that if he grabs me or say something inappropriate, it's because the part of the brain, that would normally prevent that kind of behavior is damaged.
But a male patient with a broken leg, that grabs my ass, and proceeds to ask me, if I "need a spanking", should know better.
I feel like part of the problem is with the nature of these types of questions. Should you ever blame a young girl for being raped? Of course not, but I can think of hypothetical situations that would make me answer yes to that question if I were surveyed. Like if she pointed a gun at the guy and told him to have sex with her, she could be blamed for her own statutory rape. That's an extreme hypothetical but it is a case where she could justifiably be blamed. Even if you limit it to realistic (albeit still extreme and irrelevant) hypotheticals, like a girl threatening to accuse someone of rape unless he has sex with her, you have no choice but to say that there are certain cases where she could be blamed.
Those cases clearly are almost nonexistent if they even exist at all and are not a justification for blaming them in general, but a survey is flawed if it doesn't account for hypotheticals like that.
In no of your examples would it be rape. Rape doesn't has to incl. physical violence or physical force.
Rape will always involve that the victims has their righ to their own body and mind overruled. Rape brakes something essential inside you, it's an act that's designed in it's core to show the victims, that their less human, in the rapists world.
They're both rape. Statutory rape is legally rape. It doesn't matter if a kid forced you to do it at gun point, it's still technically rape to have sex with a minor. You could be acquitted in that scenario but it's still technically rape. Again, the survey is at fault here if they should have excluded statutory rape but did not.
It is a justification to validate their own selfish, sick desires. No logic necessary. It's also possible this man or someone close to him was abused in the same way.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At that point you are just embracing your own psychopathic tendencies. No one in the right mind would ever think a 12 year old girl wants to sleep with their parent's BF, or vice versa.
It is a justification to validate their own selfish, sick desires.
It sinks you deeper into the pit of guiltiness to the eyes of the court/society.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there is a 12 year old trying to seduce older men, it is nearly 100% certain they are only behaving that way because of past abuse. So that's not a good excuse either. "Hey, someone else abused her first, she was already broken before I abused her!" Burn in hell, sicko! (obv not you OP, just venting about the article)
Orisyl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is the part where you were supposed to patch her back up and fill the gaping hole in her life... NO NOT THAT WAY!!!... god damnit.
MdotR ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending the guy in this case as it was apparent sexual assault which is repugnant.
But I know that myself along with quite a few of my friends and acquaintances would lie about our ages and sleep with older people... So that rationale is a bit flawed. It isn't always a person in power forcing themselves on an unsuspecting minor. Sometimes minors have issues (emotional and hormonal giving that they're still going through puberty) and needs and are pretty manipulative and liars.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:04:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that we have a tendency to pathologize people who have sex with teenagers of that age? I have no idea where I read it, but I read a critique (of society) by a psychologist (as I recall) about how a lot of times it's just sex..as in there is some degree to which society can't grapple with the idea that some people's brains are just sexually attracted to young people (we humans do sexually mature around 12-14 years of age), and as so to free ourselves of having to grapple with that problem, we move instead to assign all sort of other things to the offending persons across the board. In other words, it's never just about sex, it also has to be about power, coercion, etc. Your comment just sort of took my mind to that article I read years ago. Like that justification you put in quotations as applied to say an 8 year old might be difficult to accept, but what about a 17 year old?
Studies show rape is very often about power when it comes to adult victims too
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Often, sure. But this expert seemed to think that ascribing power as the motivator 100% of the time, which is what we do, was inaccurate with actual motivations. (I'm talking mostly about statutory rape here). I mean, sure, it's plausible that some dude having se with a 17 year old is in it all for the power, for the control, for the sense of manipulation and dominance...but isn't it just as plausible if not far more likely that a human male of reproductive age is going to be sexually attracted to a human female who is not only of reproductive age..but physiologically speaking in her prime reproductive years? It just seems to me that when it comes to cases where some 27 year old dude has sex with some 17 year old girl, it is far more rational to think that it was about sex and attraction and that all this other stuff about power, control, coercion, etc. is just something we ascribe to that situation to make it easier for us to make that person an outcast. I mean shit, we still do that while at the same time in every state in the country the age of consent is between 16 and 18. In Canada it's 16, in Mexico it's 12-14, etc. It seems odd to me that we allow something to be legal (again, talking about older teens), and then when people engage in the activity we socially decide that they are pathological sexual deviants. Logically, I don't get it.
LeoBravo ยท 1456 points ยท Posted at 15:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a relatively unconfident, unattractive single man and although I've always been afraid of dying alone, I'm starting to think "maybe I can just adopt a kid WITHOUT a partner and just be a single parent" because god DAMN if I couldn't do a better job than a lot of parents. If step 1 is "never rape anybody or knowingly allow people to be raped", apparently I'm already doing better than a scarily high number of people
EDIT: oh WOW this took off. Thanks for the votes of confidence, everyone.
062b ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 15:40:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can not adopt I would recommend at least starting with the Big Brothers program. It is a really life enriching experience. You take a kid whose family can not afford the means to do anything interesting who is without a strong male role model in their life and you provide them with life experiences and get to watch them grow into strong young men you can be proud of.
I grew up with parents who ignored me and I missed out on a lot of really important life experiences growing up. When I joined the program it was amazing, I got to share alot of life experiences I wished I had growing up with a boy who grew up into a very nice young man. It changed my life, its provided me endless hapiness and I no longer worried about confidence or dying alone. I slept easier knowing I have made a difference in someones life and I got a partner for doing fun things with on weekends.
I just visited their site, and that really looks like a fantastic program. How long have you been doing it for? How old is your little brother right now?
062b ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i started when i was 20 and he was 12, im in my 30s now and hes gone through college. We still keep in touch he's a great kid, but he was headed down a bad path. it was amazing watching him grow up. It taught me a lot about myself as well.
I have to imagine that would help your chances of adopting a kid in the future, too. If you show up with 5 glowing references by the families of your "little brothers", that's gotta count for something.
BDazzle ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:31:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can be done. I have a buddy whose single that adopted a kid(boy age 8) who had a troubled past. The boy is 18 now and grew up with a legit father figure and is probably all the better for it.
cahnabis ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact is that is harder for you to adopt too because of man like that who creep into kids rooms :/
Actually untrue but a common misconception! I am a social worker and have worked with several single men who have successfully adopted including gay ones. Many children with certain trauma histories do better with single men.
Creeps like this are thoroughly vetted and surprisingly transparent. Besides, it's too much work to go through the adoption process when you can just get a gf and creep on her daughter.
It's great that you are out there guarding society from people like that and creating a warm home for the most vulnerable among us. These kind of stories leave me speechless.
Unsounded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised how common things like this are in the world of adoption and foster care. My mother is a social worker and she had to leave adoptions/placements after 20 years for more of a desk-position (still in social work but she deals with education and signing kids up for school now) because it's so draining and haunting.
It's truly made me afraid of some parts of this world.
Thanks for the insight! Glad to have some first hand input on something like this, I had assumed also what the above commentor said.
blackcat- ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:44:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wanted to adopt and heard it was a hard process and rightly so. But how long, in general, does it take to really, thoroughly check potential parents out? And are there any "warning signs" you look for even before the vetting process begins?
If you are adopting through the foster care system, the first step is to become a licensed foster parent and identify yourself as "pre-adoptive". Becoming a licensed foster parent varies by state and I can only speak for DC. You need to take some classes, get CPR certified, have your home inspected for safety, have a spare bedroom appropriately furnished, it needs to be inspected for fire security, no lead paint, provide references who can attest to your character, child abuse and criminal background check, etc. It usually takes a few months but that's people who are working at the same time. Here is info on DC's process, which should give a general idea: DC Foster Parent Licensing Info
You'd probably have a child placed in your home whose goal is adoption (meaning they are no longer making efforts to reunite the child with the parent). Sometimes people really want a certain child - usually a baby - and they are willing to foster one in the hopes that the parent ends up losing their rights and the child becomes available for adoption but this is a good way to get your heart broken.
It is illegal in DC to discriminate against foster parents or adoptive parents on the basis of religion, gender, marital status, sexual preference, race, political party...probably other things too but that is all I can thing of right now. The religious foster care agencies here had to go out of business because of this law.
I didn't do licensure but worked with a lot of foster parents. I looked out for ones that were just in it for the paycheck. There is a stipend and it continues even post adoption until age 21 in DC (some other states are until 18, it varies). It is more than enough to cover the child's expenses and many people do this for profit.
poondi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question: Is it true that if you foster/adopt a child after a certain age, your income doesn't get factored into their federal college aid? So they would be able to go to college for free because there is no parental income to factor in?
Maybe it's just the exclamation point doing the heavy lifting, but your small comment is currently changing around my entire outlook towards my near future. As another unattractive single man, in my mid-20s with a stable income on a part-time schedule, I have been battling baby fever since late high school and it has only become more intense over time. I have always entertained but never given serious consideration to actually trying to adopt a child because I've lived in today's zeitgeist surrounding men and their interactions with children.
I work in childhood education and nothingโnothingโis more precious to me than to see the look of dawning realization or excited imagination on their faces.
Don't want to sound weird or anything, but you sound like the exact man a lot of healthy minded women would want a family with. A lot of us just want a good life and stand by a good man, doesn't matter what he looks like. (I know, cliche but it's true, I've seen a ton of average family men with great partners) But adoption is an amazing thing to do if you can do that so keep on doing you and good luck.
Thanks. It really does make my day to hear that expressed by someone other than a friend who's just trying to cheer me up by telling me things I want to hear.
You should absolutely pursue adopting a child. So many deserving children need happy homes and supportive guardians!! You sound like a genuinely caring person, and I'm sure this will shine through with any respectable adoption agency.
Baz135 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many children with certain trauma histories do better with single men.
Huh. Is that cases where they were abused by the mother?
I don't see how that would be a problem. But nobody gets a newborn out of the US foster care system so your age particularly wouldn't be a challenge if you were adopting an older child.
It's good to know single men adopting isn't just completely shut down. As along as there are kids who need it, the more stable, responsible adults we have willing to adopt, the better.
I just hope you and the rest of the social workers out there are getting the resources you need to properly do your jobs.
I'm straight, married, and childless (on purpose for now) but this may be my favorite comment I've ever read on this site. Thanks for taking the time to write it, I was definitely under that false impression before.
There's a whole licensure process and you have to start out as a foster parent unless you're going through a private agency. It varies by state. This is DC Foster Parent Licensing Process
No. I don't see why they'd want to be foster parents. They'd have a social worker constantly all in their home and all up in their business. There are also home based tutors, therapists, etc, so it's a lot of people around. But again, I can only speak for DC.
Actually untrue but a common misconception! I am a social worker and have worked with several single men who have successfully adopted including gay ones.
I'm sure it happens sometimes. You're saying that there isn't a trend, though? That single men looking to adopt children have similar success rates to single women?
This is really surprising to me. I'm a (as far as I know) fertile woman who recently decided to be a single mother to an adopted child in the future. I have no interest in going through labor and pregnancy, but I would love to help a mini person grow and succeed and find happiness. But I'm woefully terrible in romantic relationships and I don't plan on ever marrying. I just want to learn to be the best version of myself, and then try to pass that wisdom on.
Check your state laws. It is illegal to discriminate where I practice (DC). Honestly, there is such a shortage of foster parents, period, that when a person comes along who wants to adopt a child from foster care, they go to the head of the line. Because it is a very short to non-existent line unfortunately.
States actually pay for your lawyer and all fees related to adoption from the foster care system, plus the child is covered by Medicaid regardless of parent income and there is an adoption stipend until the child is 18 or 21 (depends on state).
It is illegal in all states to discriminate on the basis of race, age, gender, sex, national origin and disability. Most states, like DC, where I practice, have added additional protections including religion, sexual preference, marital status, political party....some other stuff too but I can't remember it all. The Catholic foster care/adoption agencies had to go out of business b/c they wouldn't comply with the laws.
eronth ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Last I checked the restrictions for adopting as a single male were stricter than single female or a couple. Isn't the age requirement higher?
What state are you in? The only age requirement where I practice is legal adulthood (sometimes older siblings adopt younger siblings so there isn't a huge gap).
eronth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh I guess I'll have to check again. I'm in Missouri, and not nearly ready to adopt, but it's crossed my mind so I had given some research (or so I thought).
Right? As a dude who's been around kids my entire life helping with different programs or activities I STILL get dirty looks from parents when I play with kids, or say something to a kid. Like just being friendly. It honestly bothers me that random strangers would just assume I'm a pedo or something just because I'm a male.
Not everyone is meant to be married, and not everyone is meant to be a parent. Just listen to your heart, think hard about what it is you want to do, and then move confidently forward. Don't let anyone stop you.
elbenji ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and if you actually read to them at night and work with them on their homework, you're already better than a healthy percentage of parents I've worked with. Adoption isn't the worse, especially older kids. And if not, Big Brothers/Big Sisters is an amazing program.
Not sure what your motivations are, but there's a program I've been looking into called CASA (court appointed special advocates) who works with neglected and abused kids in the court system.
I don't want any of my own, but there are kids out there who could use some badass advocates to stand up for them, listen and care for their needs. I want to be able to be that 'better parent' that they will never have, even if temporary.
Being a parent in a two parent household is hard, children can be difficult, parenting alone is super hard, but at the same time there are plenty of children out there who need love and a family. I have a buddy who had 2 kids with this lady, she was kinda crazy and immature and is now out of the the picture so he is basically raising two young children by himself and is a damn good devoted father. So it's difficult but possible. I read this quote last night in Buddhist Boot camp by Timber Hawkeye "If you really want to do something, you will find a way. If you don't, you will find an excuse."- E James Rohn. Hopefully any of this helps
If you've got the resources, do it. Even a few years of stability will give them a taste of normalcy, and that's good for any kid. I bet you can find a support group in town for single dads who have adopted -- start there.
If you really want to be a parent go for it. :)
(Oh but you should probably work on becoming more confident, because once you're a dad you will need to be able to speak out on behalf of your kids all the time.)
It takes so much to be a adoptive/foster parent. You're already an exceptional person for even considering it and the impact you could make in a child's life is beyond what you can ever imagine. I have a close friend who works for CPS and, the things she's seen...are horrifying. Even without being mentally/physically/sexually abused, neglected children need so much care to even begin to overcome what they've been through. That being said, make sure that every common area of the house is under CONSTANT VIDEO SERVEILLANCE WITH AUDIO, that everything is backed up to the cloud and that your home has excellent security. Even the sweet kids who try really hard to be good can have unpredictable and damaging behaviors that can totally blindside you.
HVY_METAL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad fosters it is amazing to see this little girl feel loved like I was at her age. She had nothing before him, clothes that didnt fit and full of holes. Now she has straight As, loves church, and calls him Dad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
unconfident, unattractive single man
I'd definitely do some self improvement before raising a kid, you don't want the kid to suffer from the same issues you did.
LeoBravo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I'm gonna point out that as a non-rapist, I'm starting to feel like maybe the things I've been down on myself for are maybe not the worst flaws in the world. "Socially awkward" kind of pales in comparison, tbh
quatraine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a single mom by choice (hit 30 REALLY wanted to have kids, used donor, have done everything on my own) it's a fantastic choice in life if it's really important to you! If your heart is really in it it's not that hard. You just have to love them and give them attention, teach them about the world and make sure they have a little discipline and respect for others. Be consistent.
They're fun to hang out with! Last night me and my 9 yo daughter watched Friday the 13th to get her caught up on the 'classics'. Lol! She's in the GT program at school and just made it into the state choir. The other 2 are young, so I don't have anything concrete to brag about, but I always get compliments.
I would have adopted, but couldn't afford it and didn't think they'd trust a single mom so much. But now I've got proof that I'm good at it! As soon as mine are out of diapers I'm going to start looking for a place with more space and adopt as many as I can handle.
I'm in a similar boat, getting to be old enough that I'm not sure if I'd want to have my own kids (I don't really want to be pushing 70 when they're in college), let alone that I'm going to find another person I'm willing to take a chance on (again) to get there.
Gotta agree with you there. I was considering it myself when I moved out and got my life in check, be a single dad and help make someone's life worth living.
As a single female with health problems (Lupus / Not sure if I can have my own) Iv often considered fostering children over adoption. Reason being (at least in Canada) the government pays you to take care of older children who have been without a loving home. They pay for pretty much all the expenses and you get to take care of them, and have that bond with the child/teen which would otherwise feel unwanted. Kinda like a mentor / parent. Sure the possibility exists for a happy couple to legit adopt them, and take the child away from you, but its financially positive experience vs the expense of having / or adopting children yourself. If your a "single parent" this might be a good solution (to ease financial strain) depending on your state/country laws and the money they provide to the host family.
Source : A friend of mine (older by 10 years) does this. She straight up told her kids: "Im not officially your mother because we are going to make the system work for us. But I am here for you and will always be a part of your life if you want me to be. " The boy she fostered was happy with this and thought she was super smart. He still keeps in contact with her and writes her / and was eventually adopted by a couple and considers her his "god mother" . They adore her too. Good vibes all around and much better then her trying to shoulder a financial burden alone. She now fosters two more troubled boys. <3 They respect her so much and the change she makes in their lives is astounding.
sleezewad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I think that a single man trying to adopt a child on his own has its own stigma. Let's be dad's together.
Pretty sure it's next to impossible for single people to adopt.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:35:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. And often times saying that can only make it more difficult because it discourages qualified single people to attempt the process.
Often times there's some natural logistical matters that can make single parent adoption more difficult: What are your daycare plans? Are you off work in time to pick them up from school? Do you have the financial means to support the child? Etc... BUT that can be easily overcome, and many single people would make great foster parents or adoption parents.
I think we need to just keep encouraging all people who want to be parents to go for it because the more people like that we have the better the adoption and fostercare system in this country will be.
Well maybe 'next to impossible' was the wrong phrase. I should have said that you would be scrutinized a lot more and could be restricted in who you want to adopt
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt the statistics are as alarming a you just insinuated
Same, but I doubt I'd be allowed to. I don't think I'd be worse than those people are, but I'm not going to be good either. I am absolute shit at providing emotional support or showing love.
surrogacy, unfortunately takes 100-200k in US. unless you can find someone kind enough to do it for just the medical bills, which will still be a yearly salary or two.
joshuaism ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. The old Woody Allen technique to raising a wife.
step 1 to feeling and being more confident and attractive is not telling the whole internet how beta and ugly you are unsolicited.
a lot of your issues could probably be solved if you weren't too shy to go to a salon and ask for hair help or go to a stylist and ask for clothing help.
There are very very very very very few people in the world who are SO ugly they're incapable of finding someone and that number is WAY less than people who think they're too ugly for love
Shrewd_GC ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:05:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the interest of the child, don't adopt as a single parent. You cannot do it well; even if you can parent that child while working 40hrs, you could do it so much better with a second set of hands (even if they aren't the best parent). Can't tell you the number of, even rich, single parents who have raised children that grew up to be degenerates in one way or another, not just self destructive, but actively harmful to those around them.
In my experience, the only family situations worse than single parenting are abusive (physical or psychological) or completely absent families.
Plenty of well adjusted people have been raised by single parents. A mediocre parent who stays in a relationship just for the sake of the child can do a lot of damage
I STRONGLY second this. My aunt married a horrible horrible man; not abusive, just a complete deadbeat. He is completely ruining her and her son's lives. Their house was just foreclosed because of his negligence trying to cheat the system. She would be so much better off without that sack of shit pulling them towards rock bottom, but just can't seem to see the reality of her situation.
Edit: Oh, and did I mention he hasn't even had a job in 2 years and just leaches off her income?
Shrewd_GC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I have to base my outlook on is my personal observations. I'm sure there are well adjusted people raised by single parents,but I haven't met any. Not saying a two parent system always produces "winners" ,but I've never met someone raised by a single parent that had everything together mentally; I've met some that understand their mental obstacles and handle them better than others, but I've encountered none that are unaffected by the loss or absence of one or both parents.
It seems doubtful to me that most single parents simply turned down a genuine opportunity to raise a child with a healthy significant other. Many cases of single parenthood are people who choose to raise their child alone instead of in a toxic relationship, and I think that kind of independence and integrity should be celebrated. As someone who grew up in a home with an abusive parent, I really wish my mom would have had the bravery to leave my father and raise me on her own
The worse one was my best friend in HS. He was 16, his sister was 13 at the time. They had his cousin living with them for some reason, who was 22.
So my friend walks in on the guy and his sister. He flips out and kicks the guy out, like "never come back here again!" And all that. Which is impressive for a 16 year old even if he always was big for his age.
But here's the really shitty part. His Dad, who should have been in a killing mood since that was.. you know.. his daughter, invited the guy back. Saying stuff like "well you can't blame him, that's just how boys are." And "well it's not like she's likely to find another boyfriend..." insulting her looks.
They fought about it a lot, the guy came back and I don't know what happened after that. Eventually she met a girl and moved to Asia with her, so she got far away.
Wow, WTF. Such a shitty father indeed! Kudos to your friend, he seems to have been born a decent, strong person. Luckily he was able to fall back on that... a less strong individual would have caved. No one should have to face such crap at that age.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet the edgelords on Reddit love to joke about underage kids. That shit is just not funny.
Given the amount of men who kill their partners or ex-partners out of jealousy, I wouldn't be too quick to point at any gender as being the jealous one.
I'm pretty sure those particular bell curves have virtually negligible non-overlap, but just for the craic, I'm going to go look at papers when I get home and see if anyone's looked into it. I'm prepared to be wrong. Right now we're both arguing on hunches.
I'm just flicking through the abstracts on the most cited papers. Can't go through them in full till I'm home. Conclusions seem fairly consistent though. My rough summary here is that men and women feel jealousy about equally, but there are behavioural differences. Men try to prevent women cheating and see them as devalued when they do. Women are more worried about losing their partner to cheating. But in terms of just being jealous, it looks like more or less an even split on sentiment, valence, and frequency. Some studies put men as slightly more jealous, some put women as slightly more jealous.
When Walum and his team crunched the numbers, what did they find? Consistent with prior research, women reported higher levels of jealousy on both measures, and both men and women scored higher on sexual jealousy than on emotional jealousy.
So, in the end, it turns out that while women are a tad bit more jealous, they are jealous about very different things than men are. Next time you feel yourself getting jealous, you can blame it on your natural instinct to reproduce. See if that one works next time your partner says youโre too jealous!
Dude, I gave you a link to the most cited peer-reviewed journal papers and you hit back with feckin' psychology today? And I just said that some studies say men are more jealous than women, and some say the opposite. I presume that comes down to how a given study is defining and measuring jealousy. What you've just done, my dear, is cherry pick a couple of sources, one of which is kind of a rag. I tried to give you my honest reading and summary of a bunch of well-cited studies. But, sure, fuck me, right?
Hey, while we're talking about psychology, you might want to read up on the backfire effect.
Maybe look up some meta analyses on the subject. That should be a better approach than googling "women are more jealous" if you want to find something out rather than just win a silly little argument on the internet.
Well, presumably the studies cited actually exist out there somewhere, and either of us could find them if we really wanted to. I just don't care to. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Yeah, I'm cherry picking, but so are you. That's kind of how this whole debate thing works. It seems the reality of the situation is that different studies will yield different results depending upon how they define jealousy. That women are often (unnecessarily, in my opinion) jealous of other women is a well-known phenomenon going back to Shakespeare days. Of course that does not prove my point, but it should at least give you pause. Popular wisdom is of course fallible, but it usually has an element of truth to it.
So I just actually read your comment, and it seems that we're saying essentially the same thing.
Maybe our own internal definitions of jealousy differ in the same way that the studies definitions do. I don't know. But I will concede that the jealousy difference between the sexes probably isn't as great as I suspected, so the point goes to you. Good show, let's do it again some time.
I didn't cherry pick. I just looked at the summaries of the top 5 or 6 papers listed. This isn't my area, so I can't tell you how reputable any particular journal or researcher is in this field, so highest number of citations was the proxy I was going by.
Well, good stuff, we both learned some things. Thanks for a pleasantly civil internet fight.
Pleasantly civil indeed. I often just insult people and move on because I intuit that their interest lies not in finding and accepting the truth, but in satisfying their ego. Somehow I could tell that you aren't like that. It's a distressingly rare characteristic, even among people who are aware of cognitive bias. Just part of the human condition, I guess. Take care.
To be fair, I'm a PhD researcher. You have to read things as honestly and open-mindedly as you can, from the best sources you can find or you're fucked. Though, of course, I do plenty of stupid, biased shouting on the internet too. Who doesn't? In this case I was actually curious and wanted to find out what consensus was.
Over here you'd get a BEng, but it would specifically be in Mech Eng. Here, a BSc has slightly looser constraints on what must be covered than a BEng, I think, though I'm not sure that would apply to a BSME.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to one of my exes for years, and her mother wouldn't believe her. I've never felt so sick hearing someone talk about their childhood before or since.
gigajesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My ex wasn't raped by her stepdad, but her shit crazy mom told her something along the lines of "don't even think about flirting/fucking/whatever with [stepdad]"
Like she was so paranoid and jealous she thought her teenage daughter was going to steal her husband.
Can confirm. I was a voting member of a grand jury in Cleveland nonetheless for 4 months back in 2012. We had a 23 year old woman come sit down with us and explaine the abuse she suffered from her step-father at the age of 7 to 16 years old. She went on to explain how her mother would punished her out of jealousy. She didn't want her mother to be indicted, but under Ohio laws the state can press charges if there's enough evidence of negligence, so we slapped some indictments on that sad excuse of a mother as well.
wait that's fucked up, the victim stated that she didn't want her mother punished and you punished her anyway? who are you helping in this situation? are you not just forcing your ethics onto someone else who doesn't want them? The job of the jury should be to help the victim not to harm them
lagerbaer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine it's a mental protection. Like, your brain just doesn't want to face the reality that the guy you're dating is a pedophile, so it jumps to an outlandish alternative.
1/10 Americans experience uninvited sexual advances as children. Keep that alarming number in mind when you talk about or crack jokes about sexual assault. I am guilty of it too, just saying.
Edit: that sounded like I was directing it at you, I wasn't. You are right, it is very common, that just comes to mind.
zeonchar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a neighbor sneak into my yard one night and knock on my window. When I told my family member I was living with and they called the police, the police tried to tell ME that he was my secret boyfriend and to just confess. It made me SO MAD. People don't give teenagers enough credit.
EatSheets ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. From multiple people. This is far more common than people think
It's pretty fucking disgusting and leaves me losing hope in the world sometimes
Maxpowr9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's pretty well known now that an abuser is more likely to be someone you know than a stranger.
There was an episode on some Leopards on National Geographic last night, a mom and her little ones. Long story short, the little ones grow up and the mom starts noticing scent changes, she's noticing the male leopards not noticing her anymore and kicks her own out.
They don't see their child being taken advantage of, the stories always the same, accused of flirting, asking for it, etc. I think worst of all is the straight up denial, why the hell would a kid be making that shit up? All kinds of bullshit.
MasoKist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not my stepdad, but a friend's. We were 15 or so, a group of 8 or 10 guys and girls, and feeling very grown up smoking and partying at this one trashy girl's house. Her stepdad had given us strawberry wine and I felt weird so I left the party and went to lay in her room.
After awhile, her stepdad came and got in the bed with me. I remember him locking the door behind him.
So I told him to leave me alone of course. After awhile he gave up and left. Then the next thing I know, Trashy Girl's mom comes in yelling that she's gonna kill me or whatever. I guess after I shut him down he told her that I was coming after him.
My friends and I eventually got the parents away from us and all went to sleep in her brother's room in a row against the door.
I never told my parents or anything, because I needed my dad around.
The worst part is, later when I was 19 or so, I was working at a little grocery store -- he came through my checkout and I hardly said anything. About 30 minutes after he left, my manager came to tell me 'There's a man named Ed on the phone for you.' I didn't go to the phone and that was the end of it, but oh my god it was surreal.
PurlToo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how some people can be so blinded by "love." Even if your 12 year old developed a crush an adult still shouldn't act on it. Even if your child "flirted with" your SO them acting on it makes them 100% a monster. How on Earth is one okay with that? Gross.
I work in the mental health field, and it has become an all to common theme for females who have been sexually abused by mother's SO. Still, no matter how many times I hear it, I feel absolutely sick when I hear about a mother accusing the child of lying, or blaming the child ("You shouldn't wear those pajamas!; You know how men are!") (me puking in my mouth). My heart breaks to see the fallout in these women's lives as a result of the compounded traumas.
It's a horrifying reality that many, many people who've sexually abused a child(ren) are walking around free. They are not identified on the map of registered sexual offenders, because they've not been reported.
My life is looking through those files. Well the ones that are caught. I used to have nightmares about just being buried by those files, not to mention the nightmares in them. Luckily I get to help get the kids somewhere better.
well a lot of women just want to feel desired and be desirable.
EDIT: No sense behind downvoting this. This literally is the reason why a mature woman who is even the stepmother of a daughter would ever tell her that she is jealous of her having this specific man as her boyfriend/partner.
egotistical culture. The music, the dance, the tv shows, the idols... egotistical. No better way to be f-ed up than to take everything personally and compare to everyone.
Then these people raise kids......
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You deserved better than that. I am so very terribly sorry. Please know, the mother part of me is hugging the child part of you, I believe you, and had I been there, I would have protected you. Many many many NORMAL people would have, my dear. Much love to you.
The mom in me also hugs the child in you and believes you and would have protected you, had I been able. Everything u/originaldollparts said is spot on.
Akranidos ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:42:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is hands down one of the loveliest ways I've heard/read someone comfort another.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my best friends grew up in a 'normal', loving, financially stable family. It took him a good while in his life to not be blown away from his friends' stories of abuse and neglect. It took me a good while to believe him, as I would subconciously searcb for flaws in himself and his family. They were far from perfect, but when I see them, I can safely say they are the family I never had, but should have.
This made me cry. I second this. There's so much messed up in the world today, and my heart hurts as a mother. To hear of children in this situation... Yes, MANY of us would protect you with our LIFE. You are special and you deserved so much better indeed.
reddog323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comeh ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 15:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its really sad to think HOW common this is. I worked grand jury in downtown Chicago for a month, and you'd be surprised how fucking many cases you hear just like OP's (with less stabbings).
people dont realize how bad it truly is. growing up i knew plenty of people who were molested. (having it done to myself makes it easier to get them to talk about it) and out of all my friends who had it happen to them only 1 of them actualy went to the police about it. thats a alot of kids who never spoke out about it and never got justice.
Comeh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanna say I'm sorry it happened to you. More should and can be done about this issue. Hopefully we will make progress as a society.
I was on a Grand Jury for three months, and they saved those cases for Thursdays (we didn't serve on Fridays). The courts had learned over time that leaving the emotional cases to once or twice a month, with a weekend for recovery, helped the juries handle them better.
While being on a grand jury was an excellent experience, it really opened my eyes to how much horror actually exists in the world.
[deleted] ยท -87 points ยท Posted at 15:20:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also sorry about whatever happened to you that makes you want to spend your free time leaving hurtful comments. I hope you will be in a better place soon.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:58:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A message of solidarity... Some creep broke into my home when I was 12 and molested me. I didn't know who my tormenter was because my room was pitch black. I awoke to that creep and kicked and screamed. He ran off but in doing so knocked over a wall phone. The relentless beeping became too much after about an hour and I quietly rose up from my frozen position to place the phone back on the handle. Then I snuck into my mother's room, laid on the floor, and grabbed her hand and played 'Dumbo'. My mom used to call it that, when we'd grab hands if I was too scared to sleep as a kid. The next morning nothing hit until I went to take a shower and ran out of the bathroom screaming because my clothing/undergarments had been cut with something sharp. It forced me to remember.
Well, my father is a fucking cop. Don't be stupid kids, but don't be an adult man that rapes a 12 year old daughter of a cop. The perp didn't even try to hide his identity. The cops came and dusted my house at likely entry points for fingerprints/evidence/etc. This guy had a record. Turns out he was (at the time) my best friend's older brother.
I sat in one of those closed circuit interviews. And told what I could recall from that night. Being friendly with the cops enabled my parents to hear more of the defense arguments. That fucker actually had his MOTHER testify that I was a scandalous young whore apparently. That her son did no wrong and was only caught up in my 'web of deceit'. Me, the 12 year old. Him the 22 year old.
That asshole was rounded up and sent to prison for 20 years. He only served 8. I still remember the day I received notification he was set to be released.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a small victory in the face of that shit.
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 15:00:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awful :(
butlb ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My own mother called me a liar when I told her that her boyfriend has been sexually assaulting me for a few years. I'd screamed for her a few times and after coming in and getting him out, she'd tell me that he probably thought it was her because he was drunk. I believed that for so long because I do look similar to her.
It continued to happen for a few more years until I broke down to my best friend about it and she (and her parents) made me move in with them. My friend pointed out that it started when I was seven, and a seven year old won't look exactly like their 24 year old mother. She also said that when I dyed my hair, I looked extremely different and the similarities between my mum and I were not as prominent.
I think that some people may go into denial and try to block out things they don't want to admit to themselves. This woman is my hero. If I found out somebody was abusing my child, I'd do the same and happily do the time because I know how it makes you feel as a victim.
I'm so sorry. That's an insane reaction from your mom. Even if he did "mistake you" for her his ass would be toast if I were her.
I'm glad you had such an awesome friend and I hope you're doing well โค๏ธ
butlb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I always used that that excuse partly for myself. The excuse can only really be used once, the countless times he came in over the course of 8 years can't be explained away with the fact that I look like my mother. I haven't had to deal with much fallout because I spent so much time in denial thankfully.
I'm finally getting therapy next Tuesday so I'm really looking forward to that! Thank you for your well wishes, kind stranger! ๐
When I was 12, my mother pushed me down a flight of stairs and called me a skank when I told her that her boyfriend had been molesting me. She now wonders why I don't involve her in my life at all.
My mom's ex husband tried sleeping with me and harassed me verbally and physically daily all throughout high school. Everyone saw it but she was in complete denial. I confronted her about it years layer in my 20s, and she acted like I had just told her something about another planet. I don't get it. I just really don't. It was as if she never could have imagined it, and she said if she knew she wouldn't have let that go on. None of it makes any sense, but it's sad how often I hear of new partners going after the kids
can_dry ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:59:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes! How'd that turn out?? If you were any yonger than 18 that would be a pretty shitty living situation from that point on I'm guessing!!
pilluwed ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:02:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's shitty even if she is 18. Hopefully she had a lock on the door.
I was 17. Don't recall how much longer he stayed there but there weren't anymore issues.
So many times I wish I could go back in time and turn around and punch him.
VIIIMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard this before. I seem to remember that my grandmother said the same thing to my mother when she told her that her step-father was sexually assaulting her. I'd also heard it in other accounts of sexual abuse that I've read about. The number of mothers that were complacent and almost defensive about it was pretty fucking disturbing. Hell, there was one story where the mother disowned her daughter for having her father arrested because her father was molesting her. It's fucking mind blowing.
cpd0501 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:10:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry this happened to you. That's really messed up. You might want to check out r/raisedbynarcissists
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty dick men are essentially live in boyfriends who don't do shit i.e work,job,clean they tend to be man whores and pedos me being of the African American community know of many dirty dick men.
EDIT: Dirty men almost exclusively go for meek women who need a man to live.
drunk98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf, why did you respond to him but not me? Wait a minute, are you a dirty dick dude?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You saw it didn't you? And yes I have the dirtiest of dicks.
A parent/pseudo parent/an adult should never react like this to these sort of claims coming from a child.
I'm sorry that you had to experience something like that.
I had always been physically more mature than my actual age and I've had my parents friends, their colleagues and strangers act that sort of way towards me from a young age.
I've never been sexually abused, but if what I have felt is in any way even slightly similar to you, I'm so very sorry that you have had to experience that.
I have a tween daughter now and god help the person who tries anything like that on her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry you went thru that, you are not alone.
I worked with a girl at a fast food place, total sweetheart of a girl. She caught her Mom's boyfriend watching her take a shower and her Mom said the same thing.
I will never understand people. Stuff like that really does chip away at the faith you have in humanity.
A girl I was in band with in Jr.high told me her brother and father were molesting her. I asked if her mom could help, and she said her mom had punished her when told.
Knew a girl who got kicked out of her own home at 16 because mom's boyfriend tried to molest her in the middle of the night.
Mom told her daughter that she shouldn't be hitting on her boyfriend and to stop being such a whore.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never expected when I posted this that I would get so many wonderful replies. Thank you! โค๏ธ
borrabnu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A girl who babysat for me a couple times when I was four / five / six (she was also a kid, but a teenager at the time) got kicked out of her house after accusing her mom's boyfriend. After that, I had to get a new babysitter.
I woke up to his hands down my pajama pants one night and I was too scared to do or say anything. I pretended to start waking up and he left.
Wrote her a note that morning and slipped it to her on the way to the shower (he slept in the living room and was right there) so she sent me and my adopted dad off on an errand so she could talk to him alone.
We came back and she told me I either dreamed it or was lying because I was jealous of her because he denied it.
DocRocks0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:43:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offense but I hope your mom gets an awful disease like cancer. You can say "sorry I don't believe you you must be lying!" when she asks for trips to the hospital or help with medical bills.
codmw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:26:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's terrible. Sorry you went through that. Hopefully things are better for you now.
I've seen that a couple times with friend's parents. It's almost primal how vicious someone can be towards what their brain might be perceiving as competition.
Yes, thank you. That was far from the only bad thing to happen in my life but I think I've done pretty well. If anything, all of that helped me to be an awesome mom (at least that's what people tell me!).
Yes girl. I had a crappy "mom". She put me through hell but it taught me how to not act with my own children. I strive to be the mom I never had. I'd like to say I'm doing a decent job at it so far. Sounds like you are too. God bless.
But the mom wasn't adopted. Adopted is past tense. Is english your first language? She'd be an adopter. Not adopted. Jesus fuck. Reddit is dumb as hell sometimes.
Adoptee - child not yet taken by a family
Adopted - child taken by a family
Adopter - person who adopts a child
These are dictionary definitions. "Adopted mother" is no a real thing.
An insignificant mistake that everyone understood what OP meant and was being implied, yet you're too ignorant and dense to figure it out.
See, look, even you made a grammatical error in your rant:
"Adopted mother" is no a real thing.
But no one is asking you what you mean or is confused by this error, because everyone knows you meant to say "not a real thing". Well, mostly everyone. I'm not so sure you'd be able to figure that out.
I typo all the time especially since i use hunt and peck style typing, usually in the dark, several other reasons.
I still bet I can type faster than you however. I've been training for decades.
_Cattack_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a common phrase. You got what she meant. Their telling a story about abuse and you're too busy being a douche about a term that's used often. Using a common phrase does not show lack of intelligence.
Actually I live by myself on the first floor of a house turned apartment in a 1 bedroom place. But hey. I guess you must see yourself in everyone you meet (not in person --- online only since you never leeave your computer even to sleep) because you're a sad lonely 60 year old man who is 300 pounds and has to ask his mum to make him chicken tendies.
Yup. I was replying to an insult with facts. Living in a crappy (albeit one of the biggest) apartments doesn't make me smart. It makes me lucky. I don't even have or can get a dishwasher, dryer, or washer. I just have a lot of floor space. I want to build a wall so I can even rent out half of the apartment (between the kitchen and living room, turning it into just 2 bedrooms with a shared kitchen)
Arippa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not even adopted and I have heard the phrase, "adopted mother". I knew exactly what the writer meant.
_Cattack_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How am I supposed to know why you never heard it? Out of everyone that replied to this person, you're the only one to take offense to it. Meaning everyone knew what they were saying because they've heard it before. It's a big world with many different people in it. The sooner you realize that, the better things will be for you.
Why do you assume everyone has heard everything you have? Are you that arrogant? You know reddit is an international site, right? Do you think they play every TV program everywhere? How should for example know what "Scooby Snacks" are if their country didn't air any of the shows?
Me not knowing of a common phrase to YOU doesn't mean you also don't know of a common phrase to ME... I want to use double-double but that's too well known... May 24 weekend. There, non Canadians probably don't know that.
_Cattack_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to take your offense somewhere else. I never said everyone has heard everything I have. You're the only one getting offended at the use "adopted mother". And you say I'm arrogant? Lol, maybe you should look back at your own comments before calling the kettle black.
Rewrite your comment to be coherent.
And:
Jesus fuck. Reddit is dumb as hell sometimes.
And:
I still bet I can type faster than you however
That's only a couple. My point is, you felt the need to correct someone when they were sharing a story of how they were sexually assaulted. Just show some common decency. There's a time and place for these things and now was not the time to correct a grammatical mistake. And the people lashing back at you are completely justified. Your responses, however, are not. Just quit while you're 'ahead'.
-Hallow- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get it, you're probably just trolling. I really hope you are.
Sorry, I realise I was kinda being a jackass... but I was just trying to inform. I've been drinking, so yeah... my critical thinking skills about taking a second look at things before I post them are kinda gone.
You're a real character. You're mad about being called an idiot in a reply to a post where you called someone a moron.
People dont come to reddit to practice their grammar. Its always arrogant to correct someones grammar on a public forum, but its especially inappropriate to correct someone's grammar when they're talking about a sensitive subject. Like rape in this instance.
So you are saying you have been through a similar experience. Instead of showing compassion to someone who opened up about it you decide to critique her grammar?
She was adopted by the woman. The woman had a fuck buddy who was inappropriate with the adopted daughter. I wouldn't be so condescending when you can't comprehend.
Says the person who made the mistake of actually breaking the subreddit rules by harassing a user? ยฏ\(ใ)/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who the fuck cares?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make her the adoptive mom. It really isn't a stretch to understand. And I don't know why you insist on having the details of exactly how this person was connected to her adoptive family. "Male family friend" seems pretty straight-forward. Are you just frustrated because you want her to fill out the details for you to fantasize about, but you're too OCD about proper grammer that her use of "adopted" in place of "adoptive" keeps you from being able to fap?
coops678 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adopted/adoptive: who really cares? By arguing the semantics of the OP you are being beyond insensitive.
RyuNoKami ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:08:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If op was adopted then her mother isn't a step mom. Step mom implies her mother was at one point married to her father.
So what would call the child's mother of a father who remarried with an adopted child? Also why did you use female pronouns when the rule in English is to assume the male gender? Just like French.
Because of the story most of us assume OP is female
lighhht ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her username is literally "Amanda" something.
Also, stop being a cunt. Calling people out for stupid mistakes doesn't make you look smarter. On the contrary, it makes it look like you are overcompensating, specially when you say it with as much agression as you did.
specially when you say it with as much agression as you did.
The irony
lighhht ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference being, you started this chain. OP just shared us a very private and traumatic memory, and instead of being sympathetic towards her you just decide to complain about her fucking grammar and how everyone in Reddit is so dumb for not agreeing with you. So don't expect much kindness when you just keep going and going and going.
I expected it to be read and done with. I didn't even expect upvotes. Just a notice of the proper grammar to show in her inbox.
Reddit instead tried to create a villain and as usual fucked up. Just like they did with the Boston Bomber. You fuckups ruin simple fucking online posting. You want to create a villain so you so do. You have a vigilante complex. You are the villains.
RyuNoKami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you not in Reddit with us? i guess you are also part of the problem.
-Hallow- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, it's not a rule that you have to use male pronouns when the gender is unknown, it's just preference.
As far as I was taught masculine comes first. At least where gender is not specified for the rest of the group.
ie. A group of guys (1 guy 5 girls) will be met with "hey you guys" not "hello ladies" (unless you're a creep)
-Hallow- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it works that way with groups and traditionally with individuals, but it's not a set-in-stone rule for the latter.
-Hallow- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't you phrase this in a nicer way?
I get that you probably didn't mean to sound harsh, but you can have a mother that adopted you. I assume that is what they meant. Also, your grammar is not perfect either. It just seems kinda insensitive to command them to rewrite something just because you didn't understand.
u kiddin' me. We're supposed to act like the worst part of the nation here. At least that's what my comment history shows. And I guess the mods approve it because nobody is ever banned for being a literal douchebag.
-Hallow- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I went a little too far by commenting as much as I did on this thread. I should've just left it with this one but got carried away.
I doubt he is going to get off scott free. He is probably going to go to jail for child molestation or something similar. The joy of our justice system is that both of them can go to jail for different stuff!
Actually, there is precedent in U.S. law to allow for moments of extreme distress... And if found some asshole on my kid, regardless of who it was, I think it would qualify... so she might get off pretty light. And if not, well, some things are worth prison.
The jury can declare a null verdict, basically saying she's guilty of the letter of the law but in those circumstances the law isn't fair and they're overruling it, a power that US juries have. The thing is it's illegal for the defense to suggest that to them--someone in the jury has to know without being told because judges generally skip that bit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These guys even stand in front of courthouses to hand pamphlets to the jurors arriving that outline the jury's power to vote 'not guilty' even if a written law was technically broken, but they don't believe it was a crime.
This is a crucial function of having a jury that is despairingly not well known. When prosecutors can't successfully convict anyone on a certain law, they'll be forced to revise or remove that law. The people have spoken!
The answers to "who should decide" are as varied and plentiful as the answers to "what is lawful and what is forbidden". Where do you think that leaves us?
Plus, it really will depend on the order of events - the article says she shoved him outside and he kicked in the door and assaulted her and her daughter, both of whom had lacerations. So maybe he stabs him once in the back of the head, ok - I can totally see that as duress, or trying to protect her daughter. But I can also see several scenarios in which he could be at fault for attacking her as she tries to flee. There's not really enough detail to know, but I really hope the mother doesn't even get charged. I have two daughters, 5 and 3 years old, and I would have used a bigger knife (because that's what would have been handy, not because I would be trying).
Thing is... IF the man is convicted of statutory rape of her daughter, I would be perfectly fine if we said the woman acted in defense of herself or family and be perfectly fine if nothing happened to her other than she gets to keep raising and protecting her daughter.
Statutory refers to the fact that it is only considered that crime by statute of the person being ineligible to consent, rather than just the normal one, which is in reference to the crime being that no consent was provided.
Vercci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that for a bit when I first posted and was going to say something different the first time. All the definitions I could find mention forced penetration, and then add the victims age into the equation.
[edit] Although a second round of googling is bringing up more results from dictionary and other non-legal sources that mention "The key difference between statutory rape and rape is that the only deciding factor between legal sexual activity and statutory rape is age."
I think in the states it would be called rape of a minor? I feel like that's a charge I've heard for these kind of cases.
Vercci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went through New York's rape laws where it seems they just shortcut the age into rape of the third, second, and first degree depending on how old the victim is.
Ohio had something similar but only one tier of rape it seems?
Nope, he had a stab wound on the back of his head too which is pretty telling of how it all unfolded.
She stabbed him in the back of his head, then he turned around then she stabbed him in the chest. They struggled too according to the article, seeing that the woman and the kid have lacerations on their wrists.
Some selective reading there... Here is the entire quote from the article since you missed the ending the first time around.
"The 31-year-old man was stabbed five times in his chest and once in the back of his head"
I would guess that "back of the head" stab either came as the first or the last one... and if it was the first one, the guy might not have been "stopped and not attacking anymore"...
Worked in family court - when I read the headline my first thought was "finally, what you're supposed to do when you see a man, no matter who he is, taking advantage of your children."
How many times I saw women blame their daughters for "enticing" the dad's, boyfriends, etc... even after the rape charges came down. The kid gets blamed for "breaking up the family."
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:26:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sebleh89 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually 100% agree with this. There will be more evidence to prove either side, but based on the article linked, it sounds like the guy is pretty guilty.
Need out of a legal hiatus? Better call Duhduhduhdiabeetus!
gunsof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After being accused of all that and being attacked for it, this basically makes it sound like he's bragging. "A 12 year old's crazy about me, what can you do."
It's like pedos are actively trying to run for creepiest creep to have crept award. Just reading that makes me want to blow chunks while stabbing him along with his ex.
Yeah, but she's twelve. She likes him, but she doesn't "like-like" him.
april9th ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The attitude quoted is utterly bizarre considering that regardless of the girl's intent the man knows it's illegal and he is committing a crime, that society does not feel she is in any way shape or form someone able to make these decisions.
Reminds me of reading that Anthony Weiner's lawyer is arguing that the 15yo he sexted wanted to affect the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. Like, even if we assume this is a 15yo with a very grand scope, it's still illegal? The onus is still on Weiner and he knows it? Utterly bizarre attempt by lawyers to muddy the waters of a clear cut issue.
Oh well it's all a misunderstanding, then. You raped a 12 year old bc she has feelings for you. Gosh, well that's a reasonable course of action. You know, I have a baby at home that has been making eyes at me. Gotta go!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were to guess, he knows hes fucked, and is saying that just to cause as much upset as he can.
NekoNegra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, he is still alive after getting stabbed.
Stabbing that jerk isn't enough. He needs to be cut into pieces alive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man told police
Did a dead body give police it's side of the story, or did she not stab very well
gmnitsua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the rationale of a true psychopath.
komali_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man this dude is fucked. Not that I'm justifying his behavior here, but I honestly think his only options are fleeing the country at the earliest opportunity, or suicide. He won't have a good time in prison as a child rapist, and when he gets out he'll be a felon and sex offender with pretty much no rights.
Meanwhile the asshole has the nerve to say "she's just jealous because her daughter likes me" like it's going to get him off free, never mind the fact that he was found naked on top of a 12 year old child.
He's surely not admitting that he was found naked on top of her. Rather he's saying that that's why the girlfriend made up that lie. (I guess.)
coinpile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't think of any combination of words he could put together that would at all improve his situation.
I keep forgetting how young 12 year old is. Mostly because my own sexual experience started so young and I didn't think anything of it... at 14 I had sex with this singer from rock band (who was huge in early 90s, most people here would know who he is) and at times I have to wonder if people would judge him harshly for it. Even though it was "consensual" of course.
akallyria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, yeah, he should be judged harshly - he should have gone to prison. How many kids do you suppose he used his star power on, to get them to do whatever he wanted? One is too many, but if he went from town to town for years, how many teens do you suppose he raped?
Well- I mean I would imagine well over 50% of rock stars would be guilty of statutory rape and should be in prison, in that case. Everyone from Elvis to David Bowie to Jimmy Page to members of Beatles, Stones, most bands in 70s when teenage groupiedom was especially in vogue... perhaps they should have been. I don't know. I can only speak for my experience and I have fond memories, so I would not want him in prison for that.
Sounds like a sitcom, starring Ashton Kutcher, as the 12 year old girl and Charlie sheen as the drunk older rascal.
marnas86 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello..... statutory rape laws likely mean the girl couldn't legally consent.
Note: I don't know what the laws are in Ohio, but I hope they're reasonably aligned so that this guy gets charged with statutory rape.
Urgh.... why are straight men such psychos
Daxx22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urgh.... why are straight men such psychos
The fuck does that have to do with anything?
akallyria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, like there aren't straight women or gay men and lesbian child molesters? First off, rape isn't even about sex so much as it is power, and that kind of evil has nothing to do with sexual orientation or gender identity. It's all over the population.
I want to say we should wait for everything to come out. This screams he said she said.
Wedge09 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See I read that differently as in he was not found on her daughter but that he claims the Mom was just jealous her daughter had feelings for him so she stabbed him. I need to know more facts like was he actually naked on top of the daughter or is that the story the Mom is saying as an "excuse" not to get in trouble?
Because if he was on top yeah, she needed to stab and not stop stabbing. although that could be scarring to the daughter on top of the scarring from having her Mom's boyfriend on top of her at 12. I feel bad for this whole family.
never mind the fact that he was found naked on top of a 12 year old child.
Is there any evidence of that, or just her word?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But who found him?
The woman who fucking stabbed him. Can we really trust her word? Is there any evidence that this actually happened?
[deleted] ยท 1105 points ยท Posted at 14:55:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend
Correct me if im wrong, but raping your girlfriend is a faux pas right?
Edit It would appear that I was right, and that boyfriends should not in fact rape their girlfriends.
Edit 2 I apparently need to spell out that of course I know rape is fucking deplorable. This was an attempt to make that bf's statement sound even more ridiculous, and even though most of you got it, some didnt.
Emuuuuuuu ยท 436 points ยท Posted at 15:09:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely frowned upon in some cultures.
Rhawk187 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:24:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And not others.
Codile ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't frowned upon in our culture, because not long ago it was considered technically impossible for a man to rape his wife. It's not rape if you have a "license to fuck at will"
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Raping your girlfriend is a faux pas one-way ticket to Dante's ninth circle of hell, right?"
[deleted] ยท 297 points ยท Posted at 15:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"At the base of the well, Dante finds himself within a large frozen lake: Cocytus, the Ninth Circle of Hell. Trapped in the ice, each according to his guilt, are punished sinners guilty of treachery against those with whom they had special relationships"
Rhawk187 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe? That's "betrayal", right? So I suppose this could qualify since you are in a position of trust. Run of the mill lust-based sin is only the Second Circle, presumably because it's so common.
ManicLord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, the ninth circle was the one for treachery. Why would they be in the ninth and not the seventh (violence) or fifth(anger) or even the second (Lust)?
I tried to feel sorry for them at first, but their coping methods/mentality is just... I don't know. But unfortunately I wouldn't be shocked if any of them raped someone.
Iorith ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:45:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a part of me that feels bad for them and wants life to get better, but I know that they're actively keeping themselves where they're at, and nothing can be done until that changes. They'll get my sympathy when they make an effort.
Yup. It's that "involuntary" part of their self-chosen moniker. So long as you consider yourself a victim of your circumstance you are powerless to change.
Ryswick ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:38:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's dumb when you find kids on that sub, like a '15 year-old incel'.
Jesus Christ. So many people don't get laid until college or later. A 15-year-old on that sub is just preemptively defeating himself.
Ryswick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's self-defeating. That sub is full of so much women hate, from how they're genetically inferior, to how their emotions make them incoherent. If you guys hate women so much, why do you label yourself as someone whose sole defining trait is the inability to get affection from one?
Funny thing is if they went gay they'd fare no better. People who play the victim and don't seek to improve them self are unattractive FULL STOP.
Ryswick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trying out being gay is something that's not uncommon over there. You'll find threads of incels tired of being ignored by women so they try being wtih a dude for once.
Tis a dark place.
Iorith ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Applies to a lot of personal issues and why I don't think it's healthy to label yourself by your problems. Can't fix what you think is unfixable.
The "wholesome" thing is broader than just Reddit but that could be part of it. My theory is that it's more of a reaction to the fact that internet culture has kind of reached the bottom of irony, edginess and nihilism and the only way to do something that feels fresh now is to go in the opposite direction. The ultimate irony is sincerity at this point.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:30:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, nothing you say is good enough and they always know the answer. I understand if they've had one too many unfortunate encounters with people or women, but hating everyone won't get you far at all or make you feel any better. They continue to poison themselves with that coping mechanism. I find it funny that they cry that it's not about sex, but having someone want/love them.. but as soon as a female on that sub gives advice because she wants to help they screech: "iF yOu rEaLlY wAnNa HelP, FuCk An InCeL oR GtFo!" ... of course nobody will dare give you a chance with that disgusting arrange of mental gymnastics. If you're unfortunately unattractive, which they claim is such a death sentence, at least learn how to socialize, for fucks sake.
They also devote so much time to talking about how all women are gross used-up whores ("roasties")... it makes me think they don't even want to have sex.
That's not a joke. They literally post about how the government should provision them with virgins to have sex with and the fact that it doesn't is a violation of their human rights.
What a toxic concept that is. I know this is an unpopular opinion but this is why I don't think online support groups for depression should exist. You need a moderator or else it just turns into everybody reinforcing each others' disordered thoughts. Crab mentality. My mental health got waaaaaayyy better once I stopped visiting online spaces for mental illness discussion.
They do have mods, but they are the same kind of people in the same boat. If you go to their sub and look at the rules, you'll see how they think and what they censor as mods. I just saw an old post earlier about one of its users complaining about the sub being "cucked" because the mods removed his comment saying he wanted to rape another person (I guess a person who commented). He claimed he was just expressing his feelings. In this specific situation, I agree with you, because they do not support each other at all in that community.. they just hand out unhealthy ways to cope and remind each other, daily, of the things they hate about themselves. It's a pity party in there.. and they claim it's some kind of sanctuary for themselves, but I think they hurt each other more than anyone else.
It goes Nice GuyTM -> Red Piller -> MGTOW -> Incel
First they think being nice to girls means they'll get sex. Now, that's not to demean actual nice guys, but these ones are only nice because they think it'll get them sex.
Then, they realize that's not working, but instead of realizing it's the insincerity (and, most likely, lack of interesting personality traits), they decide it's being nice that's keeping them from getting laid.
So then they head to TRP and try being mean instead. Of course, you can only get away with being a douchebag if you're attractive and interesting, and they're neither, so that doesn't work either.
So then they decide they just can't get sex because women are EEEEVIL and decide to "give up sex and dating" (not like they were doing that in the first place, but it allows them to pretend it's because of their own choice and not because they're pathetic failures).
Eventually, they can't bear the delusion anymore, and stop pretending the reason they're not having sex is because they've chosen not to, and become Incels - all the bitterness and entitlement of all the previous stages with none of the hope.
It's just assembled from other people's observations linking one step to another (e.g. observing redpillers are Nice GuyTMs who gave up on being nice), so I would assume that some place like the Geek Feminism Wiki has at least the individual transitions documented if not the full process.
"Men Going Their Own Way" it's kind of a gender separatist movement where they want to just escape women all together in their day to day lives. Here's something interesting if you want to fall through the looking glass; /r/wgtow is something that now exists too.
Please extrapolate. While redpill guys are weird, I seemed to see a focus on fixing one's shit. I. e., working out and improving job prospects. Basically being better as a man. Whereas Incels are super creepy and think they deserve BJs daily. There's a difference, in my mind. Feel free to convince me I'm wrong.
Keep conversation minimum: When you get her number, ideally use whatsapp.
She drives, she wont drink. She can also leave earlier. Fuck that
When her glass is empty, fill it - You don't need to get drunk. You don't even need to drink. Last nights had 3, I had one beer. She was buzzing at the end, I was in complete control. Just keep those drinks coming but 2-3 is ideally the magic number. You could get lucky and find one that is a light weight.
Go for the kiss, the grope, the bang - I dont give a fucking shit anymore. First date, whatever, I'll push the envelope.
and according to them,
Beating up women or raping them is pretty easy. The one thing that stops men from doing this isn't women fighting back. It's other men. If you beat, kill, rape, and rob, other men are going to beat the hell out of you, capture you, put you in prison, give you a record so you won't get hired or housed anywhere desirable, and ultimately ruin your life.
The only reason women can walk from point A to point B without being beaten up, raped, robbed, or killed by a man is because men have all agreed to play along. Any one of us could hurt any woman we want. At any time. But we're playing along.
after all,
Feminists are obsessed with rape because we live in a rape fantasy culture, where feminists wish they were hot enough to be rape-able
In case this wasn't clear, they also believe
Women want to be raped by a high value man. Not pussyfooting around this one. Title is literal.
Here in TRP we do not shy from these realities.
You have to keep in mind, that they are trying to redefine rape. That same post also says,
No one here condones instances of legitimate rape.
and,
No woman alive is comfortable by the idea that she enjoys rape, so she needs to reframe it.
So even when they are saying they do not condone rape, they are also redefining rape so that not all rape counts and positioning the original definition as an attempt by women to reframe it.
These were all upvoted and I'm not providing direct links simply because the automod tends to remove comments with a lot of links to other subs here.
Wyvern39 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:18:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That actually makes me sick. How deluded do you need to be to believe any of that crap.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:13:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason women can walk from point A to point B without being beaten up, raped, robbed, or killed by a man is because men have all agreed to play along. Any one of us could hurt any woman we want. At any time. But we're playing along.
Am I reading too much into if I interpret this as, "If you are a man, and you don't want to beat up, rape, rob and kill that random woman you see right now, you're lying to yourself."
The fact that he says "only reason" and sees not doing so as a form of "playing along" does imply that there is an underlying desire which is just being held back by social norms. I don't think that your interpretation is off base.
Well, one of their techniques is that women say "no" a lot before they say "yes." They say that we, as women, are conditioned to say no and to test men, and they just need to keep going because eventually we'll say yes. In the real world, that's called coercion and is most definitely rape.
Also, the fact that they are extraordinary manipulative and mentally abusive in maintaining a power dynamic that makes their partners feel like they have no control certainly leads to rape within that relationship, as well. The way I see it, the men that follow this ideology are just as bad (if not worse) than actual rapists. This is coming from a woman who has survived numerous sexual assaults and an actual rape.
Not the person you originally asked, but I decided to dig around to see what I could find. I hope you appreciate this, because I need a shower now.
I did come across a lot of stuff explicitly supporting rape, but I will grant that they do downvote those comments pretty consistently... Though they do seem to be fine with it so long as it's presented in a more indirect manner. Mostly stuff about how women just can't control themselves, or all really do just want cock deep, deep down in their hearts. Garbage about how no woman can resist a man "alpha" enough, even if she might try to pretend otherwise. Again, I need a shower.
A. The term "rape" is a weapon against men. Oh, and nobody ever asks for consent. I must've been imagining all the times I asked my girlfriend "Hey, is it cool if I try this?", "How is this?", or asking if she wants to stop if she's seeming like she isn't enjoying something. And then all the times she asked me the same stuff. Nope! You just gotta jam ya dick in and hope she doesn't try and ruin your life like evil, evil women are so prone to do.
That whole comment chain is worth a look-through, honestly. Women aren't actually upset over being raped, they're upset that they want to be fucked and they can't help it. Also women are inferior, you guys! A direct quote being
"They want us to respect their ideas in addition to wanting to ravage them like pieces of fuckmeat but unfortunately, per the doing of nature their ideas bear no merit and their orifices are the only utilitarian offering they possess. We didn't make them lactating fuckwits with feet. It's just how it is. This is what they are and only a moron can feign otherwise."
I'm gonna be violently ill, here.
B. No woman can resist a man sufficiently "alpha". Women need to be controlled by men and by outside forces, otherwise they'll.. Fuck up the fabric of society, I guess?
C. Women like being raped, they only get upset about it if the man is unattractive.
D. Any woman will be a slut for you if you make her one. Nope, not rapey at all.
And here's some general grossness that isn't super rapey, but does a good job demonstrating what kind of place TRP is:
On your last point, I would argue that stuff like this:
When her glass is empty, fill it - You don't need to get drunk. You don't even need to drink. Last nights had 3, I had one beer. She was buzzing at the end, I was in complete control. Just keep those drinks coming but 2-3 is ideally the magic number. You could get lucky and find one that is a light weight.
Go for the kiss, the grope, the bang - I dont give a fucking shit anymore. First date, whatever, I'll push the envelope.
clearly pushes the boundaries of consent, and I'd argue that intentionally getting someone drunker than you to lower their inhibitions looks like a textbook setup to rape
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that commenter has done anything, but intentionally giving a person drinks with the goal of setting up a sexual encounter is clearly different than an office party. When I was an undergrad our university had to ban all alcohol from the events of a specific fraternity because of a series of sexual assaults set up in the same way.
edit: Not sure why I'm so heavily downvoted for my statement.
TBH I've been there a few times for confidence building posts.
While I may disagree with some of their stances on things, you will absolutely find some guys that are extremely confident in themselves there, really helped me a lot.
The subreddit isn't a monolith. I assume. The specific post I found that helped me build confidence had nothing to do with stuff like what you linked.
Just because you say "they can't be very confident if the subreddit mod links to something in the sidebar" doesn't actually mean that what you say is true.
These are core beliefs for that community, I say this on that basis. While no sub is a monolith it is not possible to define red pill ideology without their belief in the inferiority of women. What was the post that helped you build confidence?
That post is fine, I agree. However, it is an exception and not specifically related to the ideology; similar advice could have been found from general self-help books. I don't think it reflects a level of confidence from their general user base when posts like that are so much rarer than posts like these: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/search?q=awalt&restrict_sr=on
As for why you are being downvoted, your post could push vulnerable guys lacking confidence to a place full of cultish behavior and works as positive PR for a community founded on delusions. You had the mental fortitude to reject the actual basis for TRP but the community is made up of guys who lacked that ability. If you had been explicit in tearing down the core tenants of the sub, I would have upvoted rather than downvoted your initial post.
Here's a comment from that same thread with almost as many upvotes as the thread itself:
They want to be pursued, and regardless of what they say, their panties get wet around a confident attractive man that takes what he wants. Don't be afraid to approach and initiate and escalate. Don't listen to what they say, listen to what they do. If they say "no stop" but are slowly spreading their legs more open, they are just looking for plausibile deniability, not for you to stop.
That's literally rape
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get most people on TRP or reddit in general aren't like the extreme opinions you see upvoted sometimes, but I'd argue at the very least that comments like that being upvoted and discussed instead of immediately deleted/banned indicates a problem at some level in that community.
algag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually think they (on the aggregate) support rape. It was just a caricature, why I tried to emphasize with the "/s".
MMZephyr ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:39:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not pro-rape, but they think that rape happens a lot less than other people think. For example, they reject the idea that you can call a sexual encounter rape months after it happens (if you consented at that time). They also think that there are a lot more false rape accusations than most people believe.
EDIT: I forgot, redpill is generally more loose about consent. Like, they think you don't need an explicit "yes", body language suffices as long as the person doesn't actually say "no".
For example, they reject the idea that you can call a sexual encounter rape months after it happens (if you consented at that time).
Uhh...........
Maybe you've just worded your point unclearly. By definition, consensual sex is not rape. Deciding months later that you want to retroactively revoke consent and call consensual sex rape is insane.
Obviously, per that definition, that does require that it was actually consensual (legally speaking) to begin with. i.e. not statutory or drugged or something like that, and then pressured afterwards into going along with the idea that it was consensual.
MMZephyr ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that's insane, but some people have said they "realized it was rape months later". When they admit to saying yes at the time.
People say a lot of things that don't make sense. Using a very small minorities words and blowing them out of proportion to prove a fucked up point is dangerous territory.
MMZephyr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand what you're getting atโthere's no fucked up point. Their point is simply that those people who say things that don't make sense are incorrect.
If you're talking about some of the ridiculous beliefs that redpill members have, do realize that this particular topic does little to hold up the rest of their belief system.
They use false rape accusations to prove there is an anti-male agenda. I absolutely agree that false rape accusations are disgusting and should be punished but it only furthers the hate redpillers/incels/etc blindly have for women to talk about it like women are constantly revoking previous consent. I see way more men (ones not even in the mra circle) on the internet talking about this "female privilege" than I have ever seen women discussing how they decided they actually didn't give consent in a previous sexual encounter. I've actually never heard any women in real life say this or anything like it, including looking at a woman being rape and things like that. I'm a fairly liberal woman and I honestly don't think this thought exists outside of the tumblrsphere, which of course doesn't represent the real world.
MMZephyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, well I think we're actually in agreement lol. Remember, I was simply answering the dude's questions about redpill beliefs, not standing up for them.
It was absurd, that's why I felt I had to interject. I'm sorry i was too obtuse to get it. But luckily almost 1000 other people are more perceptive than I! :-)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We definitely have a winner here for understatement of the week!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently I need to add an addendum that I was intentionally downplaying my question to make the bf's statement more ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 1398 points ยท Posted at 15:01:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kotetsuya ยท 1293 points ยท Posted at 15:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And was then acquitted of all charges related to the man's death. Pretty damn satisfying end.
freefoodd ยท 647 points ยท Posted at 15:49:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar happened to my coworker this week. His 13 y/o daughter tells him her moms bf was creeping on when she was sleeping. He confronts the mom and asks her about it and she denies it. Then daughter walks in and says she told her. My coworker was the last to find out. His whole family pretty much knew and he had to hear it from his daughter. He beat the shit out of the guy and got arrested for it. They didn't press charges.
[deleted] ยท 235 points ยท Posted at 16:30:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it just happened this week so i dunno how quick these things move but he fuckin better. hell actually should be an emergency order of protection against the mom and of course her boyfriend
edit: i'm not involved in this situation nor do I know the people, I was just saying "it happened this week" becuase u/freefoodd said it was this week
In this perverse world I wouldn't be surprised if the ex-wife's lawyer wouldn't argue that the ex-husband isn't suitable for even joint custody because of his violent tendencies.
This is why I am against single moms getting sole custody. The single biggest factor for increased chance if sexual abuse is an unrelated adult male in the household.
aihley ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:04:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Think about that stance a little more.
I can think of a whole damn lot more steps to preventing child abuse across the board that are more realistic and less shitty than throwing all women who divorce under the bus for statistical reasons. But maybe that's cuz [anecdote removed].
I'm not anti-BDSM, but kids hearing and seeing violence ON a person's body that daddy says he loves? A little fucked up there.
Also some people do have it written into divorce orders that casual partners or even non spouses can't even meet the kids.
Anyone into bdsm that has young kids should make absolutely certain the child is staying with someone else or is not able to see or hear in the slightest what is going on in private.
aihley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately a wealthy, smooth-talking white man gets to do whatever he wants and people give him the benefit of the doubt and believe his lies without verifying the truth.
If there is a bias toward moms does that really make sense? I have known of some seriously shitty moms. Although in those cases, the dad's got custody, so...
By that same logic, you should be against men having any access to children at all. Not to mention that your stance also puts the blame on the mother and not the man who is actually doing the molesting.
Im against rapacious and abusive men. Thats my stance. A good start would not be electing them to the highest office in the nation.
freefoodd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:12 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than it being so recent I wouldn't expect him to get custody. He has 6+ kids from 6+ moms and i dont think any of them live with him. The police must know after he got arrested and told the story, but I'm really not sure how thats going to work. He is from the hood and things just work differently there.
[deleted] ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 16:20:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His whole family pretty much knew and he had to hear it from his daughter
Man that.. that just just sucks.
zeonchar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
newloaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem with beating the guy is when do you stop? Anything short of finishing him isn't enough, but if you do that your daughter could grow up without you...
Iirc one of the statements a cop made about the guy beat to death was "I don't see anything wrong with what that man did. Not as an officer and not as a father." Which was basically just a massive "I would have beat him to death too."
Yep. Stopped just short of outright encouraging vigilanteism.
zeonchar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:15:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a great move with Matthew McConaughey movie with the same premise. I think it was called, "A Time to Kill."
mahermiac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:16:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's based on John Grisham's first (and maybe his best) novel.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:36:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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antabr ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me start by saying I am absolutely not defending sexual ofenders.
That line of reasoning terrifies me. If someone has a mental disorder and they take action that is illegal and atrocious like the man in this article, legal action HAS to be taken. That being said, if someone has a mental disorder that leads them to feel one way or another, and they struggle against that mental disorder, having to avoid therapy because therapists are allowed to report that to the police, and never takes action, I don't believe we should kill that person. Whether or not the committing of the crime deserves the death penalty is beyond me, but being born a certain way should never be enough to be killed.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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antabr ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:20:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason this terrifies me is because the question of "where do we draw the line" comes to mind. Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, manic episodes are a few disorders I can think of that make a person a threat to others and I'm not a psychologist to give an exhaustive list. While the article is obviously referring to a very serious and insane threat, I don't believe there is a clear dividing line between mental disorders
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:27:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very easy to draw the line. People with those disorders you mentioned more often than not do not pose a threat to others. And usually never with intent.
When you have intent to harm like pedophiles, serial killers, terrorists do, it's time to put them down like animals.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:44:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And along these lines, at what age would the person above decide is appropriate to "put them down"? Once they're 18? But an 18 year old who likes a 16 year old isn't that weird. Once they're 21? Even then, liking a 17 year old at 21 isn't that strange. Like at what point would they consider someone an uncontrollable threat to children?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i would have no problem doing so if they acted on it multiple times. They are a threat to society. For fucks sake you guys are sensitive.
antabr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:58 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't ask about a person who acted on it multiple times, which is the foundation of the point. Are you okay with killing someone who has never committed a crime but is biologically disposed one way or another. The deleted posts I replied to very much implied that, yes, we would kill them.
I would just go to putting them in their own little place. But I mean if it's proven beyond any doubt and I mean proven proven like Brock Turner proven, yeah just solve that mess easily.
Um im a sex offender? And i live a normal life and even served my country, im not worthless human being
seedlio ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:18:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you got caught having sex in a car with another concenting adult and that's why you got labeled a sex offender that's one thing and that sucks, but if you raped someone well you're a worthless piece of shit and at the very least should be in prison for life. Also serving your country doesn't make you a hero or any better than anyone else. It's a fucking job you chose to do.
squeel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um im a sex offender? And i live a normal life and even served my country, im not worthless human being
Rapists are bad and you should feel bad. And that's not saying a lot; quite a few bad people end up in the military.
magnumbi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine how horrible it must be for him though. He has to deal with 1) that his daughter was sexually assaulted 2) he killed another human 3) the resulting trial and stress from that. I mean, he did the right thing but no one comes out a winner from that experience.
Not saying you were indicating otherwise, just wanted to add that bit in.
Kotetsuya ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:19:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true. There weren't any winners in this situation, but it at least was not made all the more worse by taking the girl's Father away from her so soon after such a traumatic experience.
This is the kind of situation where if they do press charges, you want a grand jury to come together as reasonable citizens and say: "yes he broke the law, but we're glad he did. Drop everything."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i like to imagine the court case went with minimal words, like the judge didn't even say a word.
like, the judge just nodded at the hero, and slammed his judging hammer, followed by a cheering court room and a parade.
Iirc one of the statements a cop made about the guy beat to death was "I don't see anything wrong with what that man did. Not as an officer and not as a father." Which was basically just a massive "I would have beat him.to death too."
Iirc one of the statements a cop made about the guy beat to death was "I don't see anything wrong with what that man did. Not as an officer and not as a father." Which was basically just a massive "I would have beat him.to death too."
XXTwnz ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:30:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't have ever been charged or put on trial in the first place.
The Texas guy only under went a grand jury deciding whether or not to indict. I don't think he under went trial. The grand jury pretty decisively was like, nahhhhh.
It was really sad though because the dad himself was sad he had killed a person. Seemed like a nice person.
Somebody died; they have to bring some form of charges; that's just how the court system works; our peers determine guilt.
happy_K ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. And I believe the jury actually has the power to say, essentially, yes we think this guy did it, and we're going to call him not guilty anyway. I don't remember what this is called but they're 100% allowed to do that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely. It is good that charges were brought and it is good that the guy didn't get convicted of anything; you cannot let these sorts of things go completely ignored but at the same time no jury would convict in a case like this.
Of course not; they shouldn't anyways; for any system to work we need to use it to validate the laws; if you operate outside the system you open the door to corruption.
No, he should have. This is an example of the system working. What if the guy was lying and made up the assault as a cover? What if the two were dating and the dad was upset but it was consensual (not in this case, but it happens)? He went to trial, no evidence suggested anything other than the rapist deserved every blow the guy dealt, guy was aquitted, the world is down one piece of scum.
But innocent until proven guilty is a bastion of the system and required to sort out all the details.
Danjiano ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:04:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But innocent until proven guilty is a bastion of the system and required to sort out all the details.
Exactly. Just because someone is put on trial doesn't mean they're guilty.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:51:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But an 18 year old and her dad's friend, dad catches them and gets mad, then claims assault. That's the point - trial and conviction or aquittal get those details out and make sure the best judgement can be made.
brathor ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:52:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there should always be a trial when someone kills someone. Even when justified, it's important to show why, and to have a jury agree with the decision.
Killing should never be taken as a light or casual thing, and people should not feel empowered to take justice into their own hands except in cases of imminent threat.
superkp ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:02:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also why there is a really important distinction between "homicide" and "murder". Murder is a specific form of homicide.
Homicide is the death of a human at the hands of another human. Technically, a botched surgery - even with low chances of survival - is homicide.
Murder is an unjustified and therefore illegal homicide.
Executioners are in their legal rights to kill, so they homicide without committing murder. A jury refusing to indict someone is basically saying "this was clearly justified, and isn't anywhere near murder, even though it is homicide"
Daneth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, so if a surgeon botches a surgery on a member of the royal family, is it regicide? Are there laws against regicide that makes it automatically treasonous?
This is where consent comes into play. Most of the time if you are undergoing a high risk surgery, or hell even a low risk one, the doctor goes over paperwork with you, detailing risks, and has you sign a form that states you understand these risks.
Now if the doctor/surgeon is negligent (med malpractice is always negligence) that is different, but if the surgeon does his job perfectly, and you just die due to complications of the surgery, he's not going to be held accountable for a murder.
That's how it works with normal people, and outside some awful monarchy that isn't modern, that's how it works with royalty, because they are normal people, propped to figurehead status.
Also so that there isn't ever even a sliver of doubt in the minds of people in the community that whoever did kill someone is no threat to anyone else, or even seen as a bad person.
are you seriously suggesting that someone walks up to the police, says he killed a guy who assaulted his daughter, and theyre supposed to pat him on the back and let him just walk away? thank god you arent in charge of our laws......i hope
You have to. Innocent until proven guilty applies to the other guy as well. This is why we have a court system - and it worked the way it was intended to
badmother ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the benefit of the Jury system. Were it not for that, he has no legal defense. However, a jury can decide as it thinks, regardless of what the law dictates.
It's not satisfying. The father had to kill a man, which will be with him forever. The kid might blame himself for "making" his father kill another person. Shit like this doesn't get wrapped up with a nice little bow. I'd assume both the kid and the dad are gonna carry a pretty big weight for the rest of their lives
Kotetsuya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to what could have happened had the father been convicted, this is about as satisfying an end to the situation as could be expected.
Of course it could've been worse, so what? This is a terrible tragedy. Nothing "damn satisfying" about it
Kotetsuya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To each there own. Victim and Father got justice. Child Molester ended up in a body bag.
Does the fact that the situation happened at all suck? Of course. Did the eventual conclusion of this event end in the best possible scenario considering the circumstances? In my opinion, yes.
It's almost like people sworn to uphold the law are held to a higher standard. Weird eh?
iongantas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:03:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a travesty of justice. How do you know he found the guy molesting his child? He might have just made that up as part of a plan to kill him for something entirely different. Assuming his victim's guilt is just being a patsy.
Kotetsuya ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:11:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably, DNA evidence, testimony from the child, injuries to the child, potential criminal history of the perpetrator, all corroborated the fathers story. If there was any suspicion that the story didn't add up I highly doubt he'd have been acquitted so easily. It almost sounds like you're trying to victim shame here.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that satisfying? It shouldn't be a death sentence.
Unfortunately I'm not sure it's morals. Seems like it could just be a system of "oh look, I can't be THAT bad a guy because I didn't do this thing that is seen as really horrendous by society".
Everybody's got reasons and everybody thinks they're in the right, at least somewhat.
Meanwhile they have 13 counts of murder and cannibalism, but at least they killed adults so they can feel good about themselves.
Most people in prison aren't there for 13 counts of murder and cannibalism mate. In fact of the US prison pop.
drug charges make up almost half, weapons and arson charges 17%,immigration 8%, extortion/fraud 6-7%. Murders, assaults, and kidnapping make up only 3%, and sex offenses 9%.
CTeam19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't re.ember what I watching but the documentary talked about the whole hierarchy in the prison system for the prisoners and how people who fuck kids are at the bottom.
Yep, I don't recall where I have heard that or learned it from, but I also knew that child molest and the sort are either everyone's bitch or don't live much longer in this world once they are in there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but wishing for prison murder/rape is definitely not OK.
WriterV ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds more like vengeance lol. The whole point of justice is to punish and perhaps rehabilitate if possible.
I'm not saying let's get all lovey dovey and let him off. Just that it looks like you just want to satisfy your bloodlust, and just using justice as an excuse.
AnonWinz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:46:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a father, bloodlust in that situation is more important than justice and "rehab" for someone willing and able to molest/rape a small child.
ermpera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a tricky thing, because I can totally empathize with desire for vengeance to the point where I'm not going to speak against it. But at the same time I can't think of a single possible upside to enabling it, just plenty of downsides..
positive is the child molester isnt on this earth anymore and cant go molest children again.
ermpera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I obviously don't mean vengeance has no downsides relative to just letting him wander off freely. I was speaking in the general sense, because you can't codify into law "only when you're absolutely 100% sure it's justified here guys, never abuse it okay". So I'm not going to have any sympathy for somebody who does something terrible and gets fucked up, but at the same time I'm against vigilante justice in general, because most of the time it doesn't get it right.
In the same way that being pro-free speech doesn't mean you're pro-nazi rallies, get it?
you can very easily justify it. we do it every so often in courts. its on a case by case basis. its not always right, but jurys tend to have a soft spot when dads kill child molesters. vigilante justice is bad, we both agree on that. but same as most people, im not going to convict a man for carrying out the trash after finding someone raping his child.
I'm just saying, thar man deserved to have his brains splattered on a goddamned pavement, I think the Texan would be justified in killing that guy
mrducky78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may think it, but the law will judge appropriately and may find him to be guilty of manslaughter.
Vigilantism bypasses what actual justice is. Instead of a complex, well thought out system of many experts you are relying on a person running 100% of emotion to deal out a sentence. That isnt healthy for a society. Not when individuals can be wrong. One open and shut case alone shouldnt mean people push for killing others. There is a shitload of bad shit that begins to occur if you let wanton vigilantism go about.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's only human to have some hope, that some day, people like him will be reformed and stop being dickbags.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He called 911, noticed the bastard was still breathing. He put 911 on mute and hit him some more, only taking 911 off mute to say 'uh-huh' every now and then.
Well, that is what we usually say when a person is charged with a crime, everyone is sure they did it, but the person is still found not guilty.
It doesn't actually in my opinion state if the person saying someone "got away with it" is against the fact the person was found not guilty or not. It can be also been said in positive way.
So saying "he got away with it" and "he was found not quilty because of X (while he obviously did the thing that he was accused of) " are just two ways of saying the same thing.
What do you think that phrase mean if it doesn't include a not guilty verdict?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Got away with it" just seems to have a negative connotation to me. It seems to imply, to me anyway, that he got away with something 'bad'. He was just protecting his daughter against a sexual predator.
He assaulted/battered a man. He likely had the required intent and state of mind. Self defense (which extends to defense of others) is an affirmative defense. So while he technically committed the crime, he "got away with it" because the defense mitigates the charge.
He managed it without additional or excessive negative side effects? Is that what you want to read?
diatom15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jury should be 100% parents so this guy gets a heavy sentence and the lady will be free. I cant account for what i would do if it was my daughter, i would kill for my child.
dzrtguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea 100% agree. There are people in my life I'd kill for, but only a couple I'd die for.
prntbby ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel people use this story the wrong way. I often see people praising the father and Texan law for allowing him to beat the guy nearly to death in some kind of proud way....... I feel it ignores the fact the father felt terrible for nearly killing the guy.
I'm not advocating "revenge" per se. It is prone to misunderstandings and unreason. Only in a perfect system it would work out. Point is, if the father decides beating the living crap out of someone raping or even trying to rape his daugther is reasonable then I won't judge him. Answering severe and intentional violence (against innocent) with severe punishment might be revenge, yes, but it's also reasonable and just. Unlike blaming that father for "stepping down on his level" or even beneath.
superkp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to watch those because I'm a dad and i don't want to cry at work.
But I can tell you one thing for sure. Anyone that touches my daughter like this is going to regret it.
I had a dream about 2 months after my daughter was born that someone broke in to our house. In my dream I went after that fucker with a fury that I've rarely even seen depicted in movies. And it was for a simple "stranger in the house" not "naked dude near my daughter".
Oh my god if anyone touches my girl...I don't even know what to say. They are gonna regret it.
Vercci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to watch those because I'm a dad and i don't want to cry at work.
As long as you don't go into the videos thinking "What could happen to my child" you'll probably be fine. They're framed as the father saves their child from a monster, not father gets revenge on someone who destroyed the child.
superkp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR: I appreciate what you are saying, but you are not addressing the problem that I would have.
When I see something like that happening to any child, regardless of the frame that the storyteller is trying to use, I can feel my rage and hatred boiling over. I don't know exactly where it comes from. It's not about the stance of the father being either vengeful or protective, but the fact that a monster was allowed to be so near one that is so vulnerable, one that would be my duty to protect.
My little girl could be in that position one day. Face to face with a monster that is actively stripping away everything good, and ruining life itself for her even if she does survive. And the thing that she will want more than anything is for her father to step in and stop it. To save her.
If I would train myself to feel any less passion for things like this, then I fear that I would be training myself to do less than I need to do in order to protect her. I fear that the hole in my emotional armor would prove my undoing, and every man's greatest fear would be realized in my actions - I fear that I would be a coward in the face of a disaster in which I should act.
I don't know if you have children, or other people that look to you, directly, for physical safety. But it is an immense burden for me. I hate that this is repeated for lesser things, but if you aren't a parent, you wouldn't understand. I certainly didn't, before my daughter was born.
So, bearing all this in mind, thank you for trying to help me watch the videos - but in order to maintain the emotional discipline that I cannot risk for the sake of my daughter, I will decline. At least until I can go have a good ugly-cry when I'm at home.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a good dad. I'm not a parent, but just the thought of knowing that this stuff goes on everyday behind closed doors breaks my heart.
Lord forgive me while I beat the living shit out of this person
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a brutal story. There's no way that father was in control of his actions when it happened. Even if killing someone is wrong there is no way he's guilty, how could you even predict how someone reacts in that situation. I don't think there is anything to "justify" at all. Why wouldn't this be considered temporary insanity or at least self defence of the child?
And was acquitted, in part because he called 911 and tried to get the paramedics there as quick as he could.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Albuquerque a father found a creep looking into his 12 year old daughter bedroom while she was changing. The father beat the pedophile close to death and the father was arrested. He got probation.
This dad just flat out shot his son's kidnapper/molester when they were bringing him to trial.
lowdiver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's interesting is that the mothers tend to bring weapons to this particular situation- there was a situation in Spain where the child rapist was released from prison, sought out the mother of his victim to ask after the child, and the mother followed him into a bar, doused him in gasoline, and lit the fucker up.
Thats fucking brutal. Lol. What happened to the mother!
lowdiver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the town applauded her but she was sentenced to prison. Because burning a rapist alive and shit. Then they pardoned her after about a year because she burned a rapist alive and shit.
Is it wrong that the beat the fucker to death part made me smile. Fuck people like that.
TheLaoba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on the dad doing that.
As an aside, I have one question about that 911 call: How did the dad not know his own address? Did he literally not know or was he just so caught up in the moment that he forgot where he lived?
What an interesting way to tell the story of a guy punching another man once to save his daughter and killed him in what was obviously a freak accident.
And that reminds me of some of the stories that don't get anywhere near as much wide media attention, where fathers (or other people) wrongly killed people they believed to be child molesters. example
The nuance gets lost on too many that this degree of surety isn't common, and it importantly distinguishes a good act of vigilantism from any recklessly bad ones that happen to work out right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real and present ability to carry out that threat = assault. Imagined threat, written threat, phone threat, electronic threat are all different breaches of legislation that aren't assault.
krabstarr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Helicopter donging someone is sexually assaulting them.
zips up pants
cryo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being naked and on top of someone is sexually assaulting them.
What? Depends on the someone and the circumstances, otherwise sex would be difficult in society.
I completely agree with you, but I think that the writer was trying to say that the man's story was different than the (agreeing) stories of the mother & the child. It's worded horribly and implies something completely different.
Tigermaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No that paragraph is contrasting what the man said " She was just jealous that her daughter liked him" the woman and daughter are saying no you were sexually assaulting the girl
aedroogo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird-fucking reporting, or weird fucking-reporting?
Or both, I guess?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:26:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The woman and her daughter gave a different account of what happened.
Yup, this single sentence right here made me think the woman is just trying to get away with attempted murder and coached her daughter to say it was because she was being sexually assaulted.
However, the daughter's account was just a more detailed account of what occurred to her (as expected as she was the one getting assaulted). Not sure why the writer felt the need to spin it as if the woman and daughter gave conflicting accounts of the event. Because lets face it, when an article about crime says "different account", the reader is undoubtedly going to assume "conflicting account".
I took it the same way when I initially read over it then realized by the end what they meant. But definitely could have been worded better to avoid confusion.
They need to take every white collar criminal in jail and release them if it means ensuring that people like this are never in public again.
I mean have Joe who's in jail for selling weed and this fuckface will be allowed to walk free. We have some major issues with sentencing in our country.
This guy should be dealt with by the general population in prison.
If I were to sit as a juror for this case I would have no trouble finding this woman not guilty.
XXTwnz ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 15:33:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was a prosecutor, I would have no trouble dropping this case in the out-box and never being stupid enough to charge the woman with any crime. Surely no grand jury would ever indict.
I don't know, don't you think it would be better to vindicate her on the stand, while at the same time ensuring that this excuse isn't abused by future stabbers? It seems to me you have to hold people up to scrutiny after a multiple stabbing. If they were in the right, then they were in the right, and that will be shown by the proceedings.
It's better to ensure proper procedure is followed and a proper investigation is carried out, even if the result is inevitable. It preserves people's faith that the system is fair and that being judged by a jury of peers is still what happens. That way nobody can say "it was all a setup" or "women lie and get way too much consideration in cases like these".
mike_d85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was the lead detective I'd have no problem mis-filing the evidence paperwork for all the horribly contaminated murder weapon in this case.
The jury finds this woman guilty of negligence via not ensuring a slow painful death. We sentence you to buy a bigger knife and 3 viewings of Jon wick, no parole.
If the jury hears everything. I've been a juror on criminal jury trials and it's amazing what you hear presented to you and what's kept away from you versus what you later read about the case in the paper (if you take your duty seriously and don't read about the case).
For example, the jury might only hear that she came in and he was on top of another woman, because revealing the age of the woman might prejudice the jury against him, for example (got me if that's legit, it's just an example of how different things can be inside a courtroom)
But she DID stab him and it wasn't in self-defence. She should probably get a lighter sentence but the law is very clear on the matter of "stabbing someone is illegal".
I think being stabbed in the head is of an equal or lesser caliber than living with a sexual trauma like this is. As a parent, if I saw someone raping my child my perception is that they (kiddo) are in danger of losing their life. They may still be breathing after but the life they had is taken away. I would have zero qualms about killing someone in this case and I'm sure even my ex husband would help pay for my lawyer, should it even be needed.
I think being stabbed in the head is of an equal or lesser caliber than living with a sexual trauma like this is.
Then you would be mistaken.
I would have zero qualms about killing someone in this case and I'm sure even my ex husband would help pay for my lawyer, should it even be needed.
You would definitely need a lawyer.
What the fuck is up with reddit and believing everything they do is justified because they believe so? You know how many people are in prison because they believe what they did was the right thing or was an accident? "I didn't mean to kill him, I was just defending myself." The man is still dead. "I didn't mean to kill him, I just got so angry." The man is still dead. "He deserved it." If you honestly believe people deserve to die (not talking about murderers), then you need mental help.Taking someones life is very serious, and you people just throw it around like it's nothing. It's not like stepping on a bug.
I take it you've never killed someone before... Or been in a situation that would force you to make that choice. You people joke around about it, but it's nothing to joke about. It is the hardest decision you will ever make in your life if you are unlucky enough to be in that situation.
Much like the majority of the world I have not been raped. I also understand that mental health is an issue the majority of the world suffers from. And killing mentally ill people is something we've been doing for thousands of years. It's idiotic and doesn't help advance treatment at all. Hell, one could argue that the want to kill people is a mental illness (in fact... it is).
You must be male, dear, if you can say the majority of the world hasn't been raped. I can say with some certainty that 100% of the women that I am close enough to have talked about such a thing with have been sexually assaulted. It's not a small group, either. Let that sink in for just a second. I can gather the group of my closest female family members and friends and every single one of us have been subjected to at least one nonconsensual encounter. Some of that group many, many times by more than one person and with a good deal of violence. So, no. I don't think I'm joking when I say that I would kill people to protect my child from that. Rape results in a lifetime of trauma, distrust, panic attacks and, sometimes, lifelong stds. Not to mention issues with sex and intimacy in many assault victims.
I don't advocate killing mentally ill people. Not at all. I'm a big supporter of mental healthcare. I know many people personally who have such struggles, family members who work in that field and in my own career I have close contact with some very mentally ill people. I've even had some issues in that arena myself (see that sexual assault thing in the previous paragraph). Most people don't like killing people but you can be damn sure they like watching someone rape their child even less.
I can say with some certainty that 100% of the women that I am close enough to have talked about such a thing with have been sexually assaulted.
Anecdotal. Who cares? All of my uncles have been shot at some point in their life. Does that mean every man in the world has been shot? No. That's why anecdotal stories mean nothing of value.
Rape results in a lifetime of trauma, distrust, panic attacks and, sometimes, lifelong stds. Not to mention issues with sex and intimacy in many assault victims.
Have you ever spoken to someone who has taken someones life? It completely changes you. Some people can deal with it (but never forgive themselves) and others self destruct and spiral downhill or end up killing themselves. So yes, you people joke around about "I would kill him" all the time like killing someone is no big deal. You have no clue what it's like to be in a situation like that, and joking about it is childish.
No one is saying rape is no big deal, but don't sit here and pretend like killing someone is no big deal. The trauma after killing someone is on par with being raped. And you care argue that they aren't, but they are.
A stab in the back of the head is not self defense. That's attempted murder.
Doesn't matter if the person was strangling you two seconds ago. Attacking someone, while wielding a weapon, who is attempting to flee (or isn't facing your general direction) is attempted murder.
While her actions may have been in self defense, stabbing someone in the back of the head is not justifiable.
_eL_T_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, technically she could claim that she was trying to protect all the other girls he might sexually assault in the future by killing him with a stab to the head.
But I highly doubt she thought a stab to the head with a pocket knife would kill him unless she had some damn good strength to go through his skull with. Neck? Sure. Head? Eh. At least, with my understanding of skulls and pocket knifes and my own strength, I'm highly doubtful that I could kill someone with a stab to the back of the head. Unless they let me strap them down and go at it for a while.
Well, technically she could claim that she was trying to protect all the other girls he might sexually assault in the future by killing him with a stab to the head.
That's not how self defense works. I could shoot my neighbor because I saw him kill an animal, and then claim "I was protecting the potential people he might kill with that gun." Doesn't even make sense.
But I highly doubt she thought a stab to the head with a pocket knife would kill him unless she had some damn good strength to go through his skull with.
That's why we have unintentional manslaughter and the like. If I'm whooping someones ass because they assaulted me with a knife, then I proceed to stomp on their head when they fall down, I can be charged with just as heinous of a crime as the person who assaulted me.
I don't think you caught my sarcasm. I wasn't trying to create a defense for her because I, personally, believe her actions were justified. Even if she possibly went a little too far - again, I'm perfectly fine with everything she did - it's easily explained as a frantic mother, defending her daughter from an attacker, thinking only, "Make him go away. Make him get away from my daughter. He's still here. Keep stabbing."
That's not much of a defense. Otherwise people would get away with shooting someone in the back because all they're thinking is "get away from me, I have to defend myself."
How is it not justifiable? What was she meant to do? If I walked in on my boyfriend doing something like that I would stand no chance in a fight against him, I'm not sure I would be able to physically get him to do anything he didn't want to do unless I had some kind of weapon. She had a split second to make this assessment and attacked to protect her daughter with the closest weapon she had access to. Again where was the best place to attack him? A pocket knife wound in most places won't incapacitateโ him, and if he turned to fight she would be screwed? What was she meant to do to protect her daughter and herself?
Considering she stabbed him in the back of the head, a not guilty charge is unlikely.
Self defense only protects you to a certain degree. Although, Florida has a "stand your ground" defense. That one is a bit more tricky. Basically gives you the right to flat out kill someone in the name of self defense. Although, it has to be in defense of serious harm.
Nah, the jury will almost definitely find her not guilty. Jurors will tend to go with their morals on this one (rightfully so) instead of what is concrete legal or illegal
That defeats the purpose of the legal system... Attempted murder is attempted murder. Doesn't matter what your morals tell you. If she gets by with self defense, he can still press charges for attempted murder since she stabbed him in the back of the head.
I'm sorry that you seem to want her to be charged, but it won't happen.
That's what you believe, and I believe differently. Not to mention everyone is screaming guilty! this guy deserves to die before an actual investigation is completed.
So much for innocent until proven guilty. This is why you're basically fucked if you're accused of any sort of crime. Doesn't matter if you're found not guilty you will forever be person X. Especially in rape cases.
well, she is guilty, regardless of the crime that motivated her to commit hers. raping kids is far more wrong, yes, but two wrongs don't make a right. you would make an unfit juror and should be dismissed as such.
Cpcr1203 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:04:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree 100%. I don't know if I would have the mindset to stop myself from stabbing someone if it was my child and they did/said that.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: Nope, me neither. Highly doubtful, anyway.
RMCPhoto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Temporary insanity induced by cognitive dissonance
I have two kids. It's hard to say what I would do in that situation. After all, if I go to jail, I can't take care of them. But if I walked in on that...I have a feeling blind rage would take over.
Well you'd be wrong if you did stab someone because murder is the worst action or crime you can commit against another human. Rape is not the end of life. Murder is. And anyone who murders should be put to death. There's no excuses.
Cpcr1203 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:20:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Are you an expert chef, or can you tell when bread is burnt and meat is dry, etc? The plea to defend children no matter what is emotionally charged, and not logically sound considering the consequences and our legal system.
Cpcr1203 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emotionally charged? Absolutely.
Logically sound? Maybe not for you since you're childless, but it sure as hell is to me. I would happily go on trial for defending my child or my Husband (or myself) they are in harms way. If I was given jail time for defending my family, so be it. My conscious can process that far better than standing by and allowing someone to harm my child or Husband with knowledge.
Oh, and just in case you were wondering...it is not out of the ordinary for a parent to be put on trial and sentenced for having knowledge of the incident(s) and not doing anything about it.
If it's not out of the ordinary for a parent to be put on trial and sentenced for knowledge of the 'incident(s)' and not doing anything about it, can you give me 5 sources as examples? Are you referring to Duty to Rescue, because it's not even legislated in all 50 states. Even in the states it's legislated like Florida, the most recent incident, which you probably heard of is the 5 teens laughing at a handicapped man drown. They were not convicted. And I certainly wouldn't find them guilty as part of the jury. If someone is foolish enough to bring themselves into peril. Involving my own well being can be just as jeopardizing. I've seen countless videos of people drowning, and someone goes to help them, and they drown as well.
The real world isn't like comic books, where everyone gets to play hero. Look at how China reacts with people ran down in the street. Ain't no one cares.
And if you're premeditating an action which will require prison time then I doubt your mental cognition skills. You should respect your own life. Having children doesn't mean that you jump in front of every car about to hit your kids. You're a part of society. You have an education. You know the language. Not everything's about saving little Timmy in the well. Don't jump down the well after him. Sometimes people are gravely injured due to their own actions.
Self defense is wrong? Or defending others? You are messed up to think stabbing someone to defend a 12 yr old from being raped is wrong(even if it results in death).
Self defense is not wrong. Murder is wrong. Defending others is not wrong. Telling me I'm messed up for thinking blah blah blah - when you think murder is acceptable. I rest my case. You're as loony as the rest.
Self-defense cases would have to be examined one-by-one. I simply don't stand by the parents in this thread claiming they'd kill the rapist of their daughter. It's an emotionally charged lie. It's sensational, and not the truth, and not moral nor legal.
dcfunk ยท 1454 points ยท Posted at 14:34:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?? Gross. Where did you read this? 6 stabs with a pocket knife were not enough. I want him to go to jail and have someone say to him "this is what it is like in prison when you have a boyfriend"
EDIT: because I can't reply to all of you - I'm not advocating for rape, nor wishing it upon him. First of all, it was partially in tongue-in-cheek, in that I want someone to make him to feel as completely and utterly helpless as he made that little girl feel. He needs to understand the gravity of his actions, feel remorse, and seek to change his future behavior. Second, if you truly believe my comment was to mean "an eye for an eye," then my comment meant 'I hope someone naked gets on top of him and scares the shit out of him.' Finally, for those of you wishing rape on me because you believe I wished rape upon someone else... please just stop and think about what you did right there and what that means.
The article was not well-written. It implies earlier they daughter and mother gave conflicting testimony, which they did not.
WiglyWorm ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 14:53:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cleveland Plain Dealer does not have good writers anymore. I'm surprised it still exists as a newspaper. It's crazy, it's like 10 pages long including two pages of comics and crosswords some days.
Arogar ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good journalists cost money but young students are cheep.
All of Ohio's newspapers have gone to shit. They aren't independently owned anymore, now they are all part of big media conglomerates. The paper in Cincinnati used to be great, ever since Getty media took it over it has become a fishwrapper.
The woman and her daughter gave a different account from what the boyfriend said. If it meant their accounts conflicted, it would have said "The woman and her daughter gave different accounts of what happened," then would have explained them. The sentence is fine.
It's accurate but it's not very clear. The sentence may be fine but it's not very good.
palunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, as another who read it "wrong". In journalism, readability is just about as important as technical grammatical accuracy.
drscorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. "The woman and her daughter both gave accounts of what happened," would be better. Sure they are technically different accounts, but not conflicting, which is what "different" implies.
But they gave a different account [from the boyfriend's].
If there's a problem here, it's that people don't know how to read.
drscorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they had added what you put in brackets, no one would have been confused. When you're writing articles like these, you're writing for clarity at a low-grade reading level.
I rarely read articles because every fucking website has a bunch of auto play videos and obtrusive pop up ads that I don't have the patience for, especially when I'm on my phone. I just read the top comments anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1106 points ยท Posted at 15:09:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should think deeply about whether you are the type of person that wishes rape on someone else. There is no crime for which rape is SUPPOSED to be the punishment.
edit: I have tried to start this conversation before. I am American. I am disgusted with American's love/desire to see people raped in prison. It is beyond fucked up. Anyone advocate for it quickly blurs the line between themselves and the imprisoned. Just lock them up, you don't have to exact fucking revenge.
Don't bother man, reddit always takes things to the extreme. If reddit was a country most crimes would warrant the death penalty in their eyes.
pankakke_ ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:55:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. On that post on the front page yesterday of the lady putting her feet on the airplane seat in front of her, people were calling for someone to jam their elbow hard against her foot, or giving her a papercut between her toes. Like... damn, maybe just ask her to move her feet instead?
rglitched ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why be polite to those who already know what they're doing is wrong and rely on someone being a non-confrontational coward to get away with it? People like that are garbage.
But that's not what anyone was talking about. They were talking about the edgelords saying to assault people just for being obnoxious or doing annoying things. Being polite or impolite didn't come into the conversation at all
I'd suggest reading "This is Water" by D.F. Wallace and not being an entitled p.o.s.
dcfunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between "not being polite" and being rude. There's nothing wrong with simply being firm and saying "This behavior is unacceptable."
pankakke_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe she wasn't thinking and was just tired. But if you ask politely and without a scene, she might still be embarrassed, apologize profusely, and become more aware that it wasn't right to do. What makes you think she knows what she's doing? All humans make mistakes and do a few small things that are weird, you just ask them to not and 90% of people will oblige.
Even if you're wearing flip-flops, that's not quite at "I'm just so tired I forget where I'm placing my feet."
You take them off specifically to kick them up somewhere.
I agree with you. Just ask her to remove them, but some people really are that cuntish to just throw their feet up into your personal space on a plane.
Actually I've done those things plenty of times without thinking about it. My brain just goes to automatic when I try to get comfortable, same thing when I'm taking a shit and wash up afterwards, all automatic with zero thought put into it.
Coptek91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can be rude about it too with your words. You just don't have the right to assault someone.
rglitched ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already addressed this in a reply to someone else in this very chain. I am not condoning assault. I agree that your show of disapproval must remain verbal.
Yup. Death penalty is one of the weirdest Reddit hivemind opinions to me. Buncha bloodthirsty fucks out here that are somehow against mass incarceration for drug offenses but totally cool with that same flawed justice system having the authority to execute people. Maybe these are disjoint groups of people but they seem to be both be the prevailing opinions on the site.
It's unfortunately because reddit is mostly kids who don't have much experience with real consequences. I love the news, views conversation and exchange of information here, but the young male rebellious slant of the userbase is a turnoff sometimes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Udjet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't rehabilitate sexual desire. If that were the case, these stupid "pray the gay away" therapy sessions would work. This is their attraction, there's no turning it off. Sure, you might convince a few to withhold their desire (which is a whole different form of torture), but you can't make it go away. Oh, chemical castration? Yeah, somehow that shit is inhumane too.
Mex-Box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had a PT, a young girl, not even a teenager, who was repeatedly molested by her father. The pain I saw in her eyes, the fear of the world in itself, disgusted me and left me speechless. Knowing he'll be out relatively soon, if convicted, brought me to wishing him a life much worse than prison or death could guarantee.
Seeing an innocent child in that position and the damage she suffered by a man she is told to trust without question, will change even the most kind hearted man. I hope you never have to bare witness to this and, should you be a witness or victim already, I extend my condolences to you, hoping you have made your peace or will soon.
I see this more often than I'd wish anyone should and I can only imagine what the social workers see. It's relieving to hear you value life enough to give everyone a chance to repent.
If more people believed in that chance, maybe those people would not have become the monsters we see.
and dont forget it would be illegal to vote for any candidate the majority didnt like. freedom of speech wouldnt be a thing, but at least every drug imaginable would be legal!
"Reddit court finds the defendant guilty of first-degree doggo denouncement and sentences him to death by W I L D B O Y E."
Udjet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many, many people are against the death penalty because the investigations are flawed and innocent people end up in a horrible situation. Those same people would support it for those that don't deserve a second chance if it was guaranteed there would never be false convictions. This is often the reason you have to make generalized comments like "they claim to be against the death penalty..." They are against unjust convictions, not against the death penalty for child rapists and serial killers.
The problem with America prison systems is that they only house criminals, they don't make any actual effort to rehabilitate them. Why would they do that when they can run a for-profit prison and encourage recidivism? Gotta make the big bucks!
My point is that rapists are the fucking scum of the earth. The worst of the worst. You rape a little girl?! Hell yeah I'll fucking laugh if you get sodomized in prison. Maybe now that you know how it feels you'll never do it to anyone else again. Hell yeah, I'd be fucking thrilled to know my grandfather, who raped me when I was 4 years old, who raped my mother repeatedly throughout her childhood, who probably raped all his other daughters, was himself raped in prison... repeatedly. He never fucking suffered or paid otherwise. Fuck him and fuck anyone who violates another person in such an awful way. Rapists have no fucking excuse and no redeeming value. Take them out back and fucking shoot them like rabid dogs.
Unfortunately, that's not always how it works. Pedro Alonzo Lopez, the Monster of the Andes, was a serial killer who was raped/molested several times as a child and he vowed to do the same to as many girls as possible. Rape is about control, and for a rapist, having that control taken away doesn't usually "teach them a lesson" it just makes them more desperate to establish any sort of control they can by preying on those weaker than them.
Lots of people are raped and molested as children and they grow up vowing to never hurt anyone in the same way they were hurt. Guess someone should have taken that dude out and shot him after the first time he decided to rape some innocent girl who had nothing at all to do with the abuse he suffered as a kid. Fuck anyone who takes their own history of abuse out on anyone else. Ugh.
You missed the point of the other poster. Note: it wasn't that all rapists are victims. It was this:
Rape is about control, and for a rapist, having that control taken away doesn't usually "teach them a lesson" it just makes them more desperate to establish any sort of control they can by preying on those weaker than them.
They don't "see how it feels". They don't learn or gain perspective by being raped. It only makes them want to seize power from others again, in order to regain some. You might as well suggest making them eat their vegetables before they get any dessert.
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why there is no rehabilitation for such low life pieces of fucking shit. If you rape an innocent little girl then you deserve to be in there for at least 40 years.
You're absolutely right. They don't learn or gain perspective. They don't empathize. They are incapable. I don't support the death penalty because innocent people have been executed and that's NEVER okay, but I think if a rapist is caught in the act, especially a child rapist, you might as well take him out and shoot him like a rabid dog. See, if you can't learn from your mistakes you'll just keep repeating them. And rape is a really unforgivable mistake to make.
Mr_s3rius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
think if a rapist is caught in the act, especially a child rapist, you might as well take him out and shoot him like a rabid dog. See, if you can't learn from your mistakes you'll just keep repeating them.
So you think no rapist can possibly be rehabilitated?
You know, if a teenager is caught sexually abusing another kid, I think there is definitely a possibility that teenager could be rehabilitated. Especially if said teen was abused themselves. Once you're a grown adult, however, you don't deserve a second chance if you violate someone in such a deeply sick way. Rape and molestation scar FOR LIFE. You know who deserves rehabilitation therapy? Victims of sexual abuse.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, this. It's horrifying to me how many people concoct horrible torture in their heads for criminals. And the amount of people who say shit like "they shouldn't even have a trial, we should just hang them publicly/cut off their testicles and feed it to them/etc." Are we a civilized society or not?
dcfunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly, since rape continues to be an issue, we are not a civilized society. I find it interesting how nearly everyone interpreted my comment to mean "I hope he gets raped."
I hope he is put in a situation where he can understand the pain he caused someone else. I don't know the perfect "punishment" for his attempted rape, but whatever it is, it should be something which makes him understand what he did was wrong, feel true remorse, and lead to more positive behavior in the future.
And I mean aside from the morality issue, our justice system isn't exactly infallible. Innocent men are incarcerated for sex crimes every day. Sometimes all it takes is a bitter woman making a false allegation. All these people shouting "rape the rapist!" would hate to find themselves on the wrong side of that.
Not just the obsession with rape in prison, but the obsession with the "eye for an eye" philosophy is just disturbing to me. Ok, so a guy killed someone, and you wanna turn around and do the same thing to him? How are you any better?
lyan-cat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it's just the impulse to render the attacker as powerless and vulnerable as their victim, a bit of revenge, and the hope that it would be a learning experience. It's not something you have to act on, though, you take a step back and think about it, and realize that it's not going to get you where you want to be.
Exactly, I agree. I can understand I suppose in theory WHY people might feel that way but don't understand why they think it's going to ultimately bring them some sense of comfort or something. Reminds me of the White Bear episode of Black Mirror.
Coptek91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human nature
theswerto ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death penalty fails any test of logic.
If killing is wrong, and we want to punish this person for killing, why is our punishment to kill him? It isn't a deterrent, that's for sure. Death penalty has been around forever, people still kill people. Murder rate didn't go up in states or nations that got rid of the death penalty, either. All it does is make you feel better in the short term, it doesn't bring back those that were killed, and it doesn't exact a fair punishment on the killer. There's also the chance you kill an innocent because an overzealous prosecutor or a poor defense failed to keep an innocent man out of that position.
We also need to ask the question if the government should be in the business of killing its own people, I don't think it should be.
tomsing98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If killing is wrong, and we want to punish this person for killing, why is our punishment to kill him?
This is a poor argument. A private citizen can't keep someone in a locked room for a year. That's wrong. But if someone did that, we'd put them in a locked room for, well, probably longer than a year. Presumably you don't have an issue with that.
That's not to say I support the death penalty. I don't. But it's dumb to disregard the difference between an individual doing something on their own and the state doing something subject to the relevant law.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:04:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather give money to his cell mates canteen just to yell at the guy frequently.
J354 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. What they are practising is called moral objectivity. Retracting moral consideration from certain groups. Violence or rape shouldn't be wished upon anyone because if it's okay for it to be done to some, where is the line drawn? Self-defence is an exception to this.
It's easy - human nature even - to want revenge. But vigilante justice is not allowed for a reason.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:55:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The punishment is that the person is removed from society. Nothing more.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I agree with you. I just didn't approve of your use of punishment here when they aren't talking about punishment. Instead people are talking about vengeance.
I don't think it's about rape specifically, but more wishing them to get a taste of their own medicine in general. If it takes a rapist to be raped before they understand how horrible rape is, I think it's unfortunate but for the best.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:07:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so you didn't read the comment, but they are suggesting that some people are incapable of comprehending how reprehensible the act is until it happens to them. I'm inclined to agree to some extent.
There are many people who are pro life for example or can't understand rape victims until it happens to them or somebody they know. Unfortunately, these people still usually don't actually change. They often simply rationalize that their story is special, and other stories are not similar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so your comment asked what they meant but the comment totally explained what they meant. Meaning your comment has no value at all because you obviously didn't read what you replied to.
You don't even offer a counter argument. Your post was the digital equivalent to saying"could you say that again?"
In fact, even your response to me added literally no discussion. You seem quite bad at this whole reading thing!
I do kind of get what your point is, but why not at least put effort into it? These people lack empathy, and I do not think that physical violence will always or even often magically grant them that.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally nothing of value in your comment; it does nothing to transform or even respond to the thing you replied to. Truly it was irredeemably poor in quality.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao this coming from the guy/woman whose comment was literally just asking something that was answered in the post they responded to?
Go read a book. Or have a conversation with someone. Learn about connotation, it's an important thing to understand.
I'm not asking for high level commenting but perhaps explain why you disagree with somebody instead of just being stupidly vague about it? You know, maybe add your opinion to the discussion a little? Lol or is that too high level for you ๐๐
"This thing could be justified because reason A"
"When could this thing ever be justified?"
Your original comment was either the highest horse I've ever seen or the stupidest comment I've ever seen. Choose.
pokemaugn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A child rapist getting raped is for the best. They now know what it felt like to be their victim. And it doesn't make the person raping the pedophile "just as bad", since they aren't raping a child
I really don't want to further entertain a person who quotes another out of context and make it out like they're being clever. Not to mention raising a question that, at best, pretends to be relevant.
At no point did I quote you out of context or ask an irrelevant question.
All I did in both cases was boil down your statements to their essence. For the first, your statement:
If it takes a rapist to be raped before they understand how horrible rape is, I think it's unfortunate but for the best.
What you're saying is that there are circumstances where it's best that someone be raped. Let me remove some of your rhetorical fluff and rephrase it in the form of a thesis:
Rapists should be raped so they understand how horrible rape is; it's for the best.
Statement:
Rapists should be raped.
So you're definitely pro-rape.
Justification:
So they understand how horrible rape is.
So you think there's a good reason to rape someone.
Moral commentary:
It's for the best.
So you think there are definitely good reasons to rape people, and you're certain that everyone will benefit.
Aren't you glad that we've straightened this out?
As to my second question to you, whether you'd be willing to rape a rapist to achieve the very positive end you set forth in your original statement, I really think it's relevant. What if we can't find any prisoners who are willing to rape that guy who needs raping? Do we hire someone? A professional rapist? Do we solicit volunteers? Would YOU volunteer? Would YOU be willing to be an instrument of this particular instance of Rape as Policy? I mean, you think rape can be such a positive thing, why not volunteer? You improve society, you help the rapee understand how horrible rape is, and you get some nookie, to boot.
newloaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone. As far as your point goes, you'll have to be satisfied with that.
And the guy had the nerve to say it was "just a joke guys"
theswerto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. Prison is enough punishment. Prison exists to keep people separated from the criminals and rehabilitate those that can, not to exact mob vengeance on people.
I agree that it shouldn't happen and as a society letting it happen only makes the world a worse place. But it's hard not to want bad things to happen to bad people.
Udjet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, it's so much better that these shitbags suck up hard earned tax money and eventually released back into a society that doesn't need or want them.
Do you have kids? I can tell you now, if someone did something like this to one of mine I wouldn't stop until he was a stain on the ground. But I guess you're better at the "live and let live" lifestyle than I am...
Stop_Sign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One bit at a time man. A comment similar to this has changed my mind in the past about it. It's a problem we should be reading stats about and discussing causes and solutions, not joking about it.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RM_Dune ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:27:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of Hamurabi's code was not that you must take an eye for an eye, but that you could only take an eye for an eye. Ergo, you can't put a rapist on Death Row because the crimes are not equivalent. Way to miss the point of the origin of modern criminal justice entirely.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:29:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. The last person would still have one eye.
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ermpera ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Person 1 takes person 2's eye, so person 2 takes person 1's eye, so person 1 takes person 2's eye, so person 2 takes person 1's eye, now they're both blind.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the point is just that people like to say that phrase in order to feel superior to others when really if you give a single thought to it, it isn't a solid rule and more of a sentiment.
You take someones eye, they take yours back, so you take their other eye back as revenge, and they take your other eye too.
That's what the expression is supposed to mean, if we're going to punish people by doing the same illegal stuff they did to others, then we should be punished for it too, and the person who punishes us aswell, etc... it would be an endless cycle.
bmilo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. People have to try their damnedest to be anything less than pure evil. The only thing keeping people from killing each other is the threat of being killed themselves. Mutually assured destruction is a deterrent.
I like to think that isn't true. I'm nice tor more reasons than fear of mutual destruction. Empathy and sympathy are human traits.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only so far as it suits their interests. If donating to charity and being kind to others made you feel shitty, you wouldn't do it.
MrNar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that, to some extent, humans generally act in a way that suits their interest (even when the act may seem to be a burden on the person doing the act). I do not think, however, that this means people's "default" is "pure evil."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wasn't agreeing with him, just saying that people are nice because they believe it will reap benefits for them, though for most it is a subconscious action. if you enjoy the people around you being happy, as most do, then you'll take steps to see that they are happy. if you hate it when others enjoy life, you won't. simple as that
MrNar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true at all, would you kill a friend/family member if you were 100% sure that you wouldn't get caught/killed? Probably not, because most people have empathy and sympathy for others.
Why do you think that most kids being initiated into gangs shit themselves when they're asked to kill someone? Not everyone has what it takes in them to take another persons life, even without consequences.
bmilo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we are civilized now. We strive to be more than just animals.
Beaxly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that i thing about it, SAME! If people started taking an eye for an eye, then it would do a much better job of discouraging people from taking eyes in the first place instead of giving them a time-out when they take someone's eye.
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Kidneyjoe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but I'm pretty sure the person I responded is also against people being beaten or murdered in prison too.
trinaaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish rape on him.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jeffsoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, now I'm realizing you're just a troll.
ButtsPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But locking them up is in itself a form of revenge, isn't it? Oftentimes, criminals are locked away not because they are actively a danger to others, but to punish them. "You did something bad to someone else, so I do something bad to you". That's how the system is built.
Personally I'm not convinced that losing years, sometimes decades of your life in prison is a kinder or overall 'better' punishment than something physical like rape. They can both be extremely damaging and difficult to recover from. I think that if we truly want an effective system that is not based on revenge and punishment, we shouldn't advocate for "just locking them up" either.
dcfunk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, jail in-and-of-itself, is not a punishment for all. What you and I see as a lack of freedom and luxury, others see as a place where they are guaranteed food, shelter, and access to health care.
ButtsPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it can depend on a lot of factors like the prison's security level, its policies, the individual convict's circumstances, etc. But it's true that for some, it's an improvement over their usual (likely very troubled) lives.
Its not about wishing rape on a rapist or someone else, its about a sense of justice wherein he needs to endure the suffering in the same way the victim suffered. It is not about justifying rape as a means of punishment but a way to bring about justice.
I agree mostly, and I have like so many problems with this.
Raping in so many cases is what created the rapist/pedophile to begin with. Raping them again like really isnt going to solve even an ounce of the problems that are already happening in their head.
With that being said I don't think it's okay to simply slap them on the wrist with a superfluous charge and sentence. The clergy's past demonstrations of mercy are evidence enough of how fine the line is between protecting a pedophiles base human rights and enabling him.
You can't "cure" one beyond brainwash and at that point, it's like a lot more ethical to just kill them
nixcamic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If life has taught me anything its that most people can't tell the difference between punishment and revenge.
Also that most people think criminals deserve punishment and not rehabilitation. And if you try and point this out they're like "what so rapists should just walk free" and it's like no.... you can have punishment and rehabilitation, they aren't mutually exclusive.
I'm not the type of person who wishes he would get raped in prison, I'm the type of person who sincerely hopes he gets shanked in prison. We as a society need to make rape in prison unacceptable and not perceive it as a pun and definitely not as a punishment for criminals.
I'm all for rehabilitating people that are incarcerated but some people can't be changed.
You can rehabilitate a person who steals ATM's or a person who robs convenience stores, hell even a sometimes person who has committed murder can be rehabilitated. Someone who rapes people I feel can never be rehabilitated, yet the majority convicted get more lenient sentences than those convicted of selling drugs to willing adults.
Krawk101 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought about it deeply, I still do. If someone who is of full bodied and full ability like a grown man chooses to prey on a little girl, that man should have no problem being preyed on by someone near hos size. Rape isnt a punishment bu law obviousily, but it is pretty known in prison, you prey on women or children, your gonna have a real bad time when the guards mention what you in there for.
Actinism ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:38:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realise that as soon as you support raping rapists, you're going to have to find another rapist to do the raping, and then seeing as you're endorsing it you're presumably willing to let that rapist go without punishment, so now you've both increased the amount of rape and let a rapist go free.
Until you convict the wrong person and kill an innocent person. With dna evidence we have seen many people go free after being wrongly convicted. Killing guiltily people is not worth the possibility of taking an innocent life from this Earth.
I don't advocate raping or any justice other than courtroom justice, BUT courtroom justice is a pretty unnatural thing that even a well civilized man has to struggle to put himself through. People have been killing and raping for revenge for centuries. Prison justice is just old fashioned natural justice. Still wrong.
bmilo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the reality of prison though.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only in countries with poor human rights records. It isn't something to be tolerated in an advanced society.
Not everyone in prison is garbage. America has the highest incarceration rate of all industrialized first world nations. Not everybody in prison belongs there. Are you saying minor drug offenders deserve to be raped in prison? Thats not even mentioning innocent people who get wrongfully accused and sent to prison. The prison rape mentality needs to stop. We need to work on rehabilitation, not labeling everyone who has made a mistake garbage
A supposedly-liberal, nominally-representative democracy has more people behind bars than a communist oligarchy that has roughly three times its population.
Except they're not all "human pieces of garbage", some people go to jail for stealing food in order to survive, some people go there for crimes they didn't commit, some people go there because of a stupid unintentional mistake, doesn't make them all "human pieces of garbage".
In fact, the poor system prisons in most countries have actually encourage those people to become criminals, they're forced to fight and become tough if they want to survive in there, which often changes them completely, some people can handle it and still be good when they get out, most people can't.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:41:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you should be more careful when having a conversation. Nowhere did I put any obligation on the criminals. I am talking about the rest of us. In your clumsiness you have implied that people without my belief are human pieces of garbage. Hahaha. Conversation fail. Maybe delete it and try again.
bmilo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I gave you the opportunity to fix a mistake. I guess laziness is what makes you the way you are then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what he intended. His sentence was poorly constructed and didn't not denote the right group of people before his quoted text.
I reject your premise that society expects better of the prisoners but oh well. We still don't agree, as a society, that this would be bad. We haven't even gotten to the point of trying to get prisoners to do what we have decided upon. Seems about 50% of people love the idea of extra-legal punishment for undesirables. Until we settle the discussion outside of prison there can't be anything done in a prison, whether it is successful or not.
No, as I see it you totally failed to bring up a salient point and reduced your argument down to a generalization without expanding upon it. Then, when caught on that; the responder chose to try to catch you on specifics. At that point you just backpedaled away back into the general sentiment and then proceeded to lord over your 'victory' over the responder in multiple iterations.
Basically T_D tactics here. Maybe try to create a salient point that can't be so broadly interpreted due to deliberate omission, and try again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, for or against having people raped in prison? If you are going to chime in you must now take a side.
Ah, a broad generalization of a complex issue. Am I for or against rape. Hmmm, a toughie I will say.
Honestly, you goofballs acting as if the prison industrial complex will change based around the issue of rape being 'relied' upon as a form of justice in prison is laughable. The prison system has way bigger overhauls that need to occur to even ban such behavior. What do you do with the guy who rapes the rapist of the 4 year old? More prison time? More solitary?
See how it's not as reductionist as rape=bad therefore change it. It's gonna require a more thoughtful solution than snide responses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The start of this conversation was from a guy advocating prison rape. I said we should not be looking for our prisoner to be raped as a means of revenge. You chose me as the one to attack? If you think my original comment is snide then surely you would think the one I responded to was snide as well. Are you sending that dude messages? Sounds like you have a bias... for rape.
Sounds like you have a convenient worldview that anyone who disagrees with you must condone rape.
Good god, get over yourself. The world isn't that black and white. I chose to respond to you because of how unbearably arrogant you sound without the logic and reasoning to back that up. If you had a strong point, you didn't need to deride the person you were responding too in such a childish manner. Can ya maybe see how that makes you look wrong even though you are arguing for the perspective that I would agree more with?
And for fuck's sake, because I guess it needs to be spelled out to you - No I do not condone rape. I condone harsh punishments for rape. Blegh, you won't frankly 'get it' so I am just gonna bow out here. I've said my piece. You will continue to parrot yours.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing the word salient doesn't mean you wrote anything meaningful here. Maybe try to actually follow the thread from the top and you will find saliency. Salient. Mmm.
Again, a pretty obvious attempt at sidestepping any form of argument or point here.
I recommend you remove your face from your rectum- though I know the smell is irresistable- and perhaps walk away knowing that you definitely owned everyone in this thread who attempts to reply to your sordid logic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, again... pro-rape or not? It should be an easy answer.
Maditen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% this, "Break the Wheel", we will not cease to breed mentally ill citizens in our society if we continue to wish harm on one another.
You're on the right track, but I think it's specifically Calvinism that is at work here. The Nordic countries are all protestant in character, but it's mostly Lutheranism.
America is the only major country that is Calvinist in character, and it shows.
jeffsoff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you have so much sympathy for a person who has fucked up another human being for life.
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jeffsoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're going overboard. The argument was an eye for an eye.
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jeffsoff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the rest of the thread you'd see that argument. But instead of doing that, you decided it's better to argue with me some more. Kudos to you.
The person I replied to is against an eye for an eye. The argument is not whether or not the person did it. It's that the person who did it should or should not face a similar act. My comment was based off of my own opinion that people who do terrible things don't deserve sympathy, especially if they are affecting the life of someone so young. Everyone in this thread is making their opinion known. You've done so. I've done so. Let it go. The only reason I'm replying back to you is because of your ludicrous argument against my opinion, suggesting that bullies should be raped as well. You're reading into things. Let it go.
If you are questioning how molestation and rape can affect a child, then I recommend you spend some time on pubmed.
Reciprocity in punishment is ingrained into our DNA. It is the first widely known codified form of Justice. I don't think it is right but in this instance it's hard to get over that primal urge.
That's most likely not true. Probably the oldest punishment in any human society is ejection from the tribe. It was effectively a death sentence, but I think it was fundamentally different in character. "You think you don't need us and our good will toward you? Fine; have it your way."
dcfunk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you, and I don't disagree so please do not put words in my mouth. He did not rape her, he assaulted (touched) her. It is not clear to what extent, but the article leads the reader to believe the only physical harm to the daughter were lacerations from the knife.
His words (and actions) must have been psychologically traumatizing for the daughter, and that is what I wish upon him - fear, not rape. The utter panic of being in a situation in which you have no control.
While I do not believe in "an eye for an eye," I do believe sometimes empathy requires personal experience.
So, I've spent nearly 4 years locked up. I did 45 days AdSeg time for stomping a ChiMo out in the middle of the pod. But I also really fucking hate that the implied punishment in our Justice system is to be brutalized like it's a package deal. That's not Justice, it's revenge and I don't think it's something our government should be in the business of, by action or inaction.
As a mother of a daughter who was molested at 6 at church, thank you. I understand you're not a fan of the implied justice in prisons, but with amount of pedophiles who are repeat offenders, I believe there should be a 3 strikes you're castrated rule.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fewer than 50% of pedophiles are repeat offenders.
Source, please. This sounds like a fake statistic to prove your point, especially when you consider how many sexual assaults/molestations are either never reported or not reported until decades later.
From a legal standpoint, no. From an emotional standpoint of desiring "eye for an eye", yes it is. Very big difference between what's allowed and what people actually want to do.
Seems to me that we should ship them off to an island like they have an infectious disease. Like a lepur colony for rapists. Escape from NY/LA style. Maybe one day they'll turn into Australia.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:09:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you never heard of "two wrongs do not make a right"? Why would doing a bad thing again somehow make anything better?
wynaut_23 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:48:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOBODY SHOULD GET RAPED. Thats why we're putting him in jail right? Because rape is illegal, well you dont seem to feel same way about rape when its in prison. It creates a terrible system that just leads to more rape.
Drugs are none of my concern. I don't believe in punishing drug users, because in my view they are doing nothing wrong. Rehabilitation for them is possible and wise.
I don't understand why everyone is so against vengeful prison rapes, but it's great that this lady stabbed the pedo with a pocket knife 5 times? It's not okay for these assholes to receive a little tribal justice, but admirable when the father beats them death with his bare hands? I guess I just don't know how to Reddit.
Self defense of a third party vs societally supported institutional cruel and unusual punishments. Also, it flip flops a lot depending on where you go, even in this thread there are places where people advocating prison rape are getting upvoted and places where they're getting downvoted, it's definitely a divisive topic on here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why you aren't a law professional. I guess people who shoplift should not only get the stolen items taken back from them but take an article of clothing from their wardrobe in addition.
No, they don't, they need to be locked up and serve legal punishment for the crimes they commited, following that logic, you'd have an endless chain of rapes, since the guy who raped the rapist should get raped too after, etc...
That's why there are laws, otherwise it would be a complete shitshow like most american prisons are.
dcfunk ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You read between the lines and jumped to conclusions. I never stated "I hope he gets raped." So, fuck you. I think you should join him in prison outside of society for awhile.
Societal retribution according to the law. Laws change, so such a flimsy definition does nothing to convince me of any serious moral quandary relating to prisoners getting raped. I am against prison rape only because of the fact that some convicts are innocent of their crimes.
I'm no car thief so I don't have a problem with you serving punishment as you see fit. If someone steals an apple for you and you kill them, then other people might have a problem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same thinking applies to any judge sentencing a convict. The convict IMO is justified in punishing the judge for punishing him. This is just looked down upon becuz it would cause other chaos. Just because something upsets the order of things doesn't mean it is wrong.
I don't think rape is a level we should sink to. I understand you're angry about this, and feeling justifiably vindictive, but rape is not a level we need to do to. We're better than the "eye for an eye" mentality.
Yeah yeah now I've had a half hour to mull it over I agree with you. I definitely believe law should be written without the hotheadedness people feel as their immediate reaction.
No expert, but I'm pretty sure a guy that climbs on top of a 12 year old, then tries to justify his actions by claiming she had feelings for him qualifies as "an unrepentant cunt" by most standards.
Actually, if you go to prison for sexually assaulting a child, they usually try to keep you away from general population and stick you with other child molesters. Cause if they mix them with the other guys, they'll most likely just get jumped and killed within the first week
Depending on what facility he is sent to in Ohio he could pretty safe. Ohio Department of Corrections separates sex offenders, child molesters, and former law enforcement officers from Gen pop inmate's.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:37:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why do people feel like men getting raped in prison is a good thing? Somehow I don't see you supporting raping women as part of their prison sentence, even of they were there for sexual assault. I would prefer no one gets raped personally.
Nah dude, don't advocate for that. It'd be just as satisfying just to beat the guy up on a regular basis, steal his commissary, hang up his phone while he's on it, yell and scream at him and just punk him on the regular. Maybe if you're lucky he'll just do himself in cuz he can't handle it anymore, and the world will have lost nobody of value.
I'm sorry but how is rape ever exceptable? What makes prison rape justified? Eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Noob3rt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry about that. If he goes to jail, which I hope he will, he will get his. There is a "totem pole" in the prison system, it doesn't really matter where you are in the world, that says pedophiles (there are different kinds to this as well) are the lowest of the low. You steal from your grandma? They'll shrug it off but you rape a kid? You're going to end up beaten, raped or dead.
wynaut_23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as i hate child molestors and he desrves to go away for a long time lets not support the corruption that is the prison system by condoing prison rape. Sure this guy deserves to be raped by a baseball bat with nail but there are people in jail for non violent offenses, like weed, who are being raped because there isnt enough outrage about this.
And no, "if you dont want to get raped, dont go to jail" is not a valid defense.
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The big dude picks up the small guy and brings him to, slapping his face and shaking him and asks the small guy, โWhatโs wrong with you?โ
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You raped someone? What a horrible, disgusting act. You should be raped, that's justice."
If the prison population finds out he's in there for sexually assaulting a minor (which they will) then they will make sure he gets his justice served daily.
hamakabi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:20:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not justice, it's punishment. If you think that rape is an appropriate punishment for rape, you should say that, instead of implying that it's justice.
I wasn't implying rape, I was saying they'd beat him for being a pedophile. Given the fact that everyone is screaming that this woman should have stabbed him more, I thought him being punched in the face by prisoners seemed fair also.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mother killing the rapist of their daughter, in the moment, is quite different than outsourcing it to people that are, in theory, supposed to be reintegrated to society.
I'm not outsourcing anything. That actually happens. Pedophiles usually need to be sectioned off for their own protection in jails and prisons, because once it's known what they did, the population will attack them for attacking children. You know what? They fucking deserve it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not punishment, vengeange. They are advocating for revenge. Justice involves punishment already. Their sentence. The rest is revenge fantasy.
That doesn't happen much anymore. If they can afford $20/week they will be protected by a gang. Anyone who attacks the chomo will be smashed while Chester gets to enjoy his time worry free. If you can't afford the protection money you check in to PC as soon as you arrive and enjoy your time with like-minded individuals. That bullshit is what disillusioned me from the "brotherhood". They don't give a shit about kids, it's just an extortion tactic.
Marhlow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not him, but the only brotherhood I know about in the penal system is Aryan. Apparently I have a cousin in it in the Ohio system. Never met him, and he will never get out, but I have heard from people who had the misfortune of knowing him, that his group is who runs what they consider society in prison. They control who gets what, vengeance, drugs, etc.. They do awful things, and somehow get respect for it. One story I heard was that they set a pedophile on fire. That's supposedly why he's never getting out. I'm good with keeping him locked up until he dies.
rareas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:00:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why airplanes used to let you onboard with a pocket knife. Too short to kill.
Assuming the story we are being told is the total truth (I try not to judge a case before I know all the actual details), then that mother is a hero in my eyes.
Still, I've heard enough stories where a woman attacks her husband/boyfriend and makes up excuses for it. And vice versa.
Me too. Stab the toe nails and lift them off. COMPLETELY OFF.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ you guys need to chill out. What the guy did was fucking horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, and I agree that he deserves punishment, but literal torture is where I'd draw the line. They're still another human being that feels shit, it's the same as torturing a monkey because it exists and literally just does horrible shit it doesn't need to do because it's a primal fucking animal. Lock the asshat up, keep him away from any human contact for the rest of his life but what's the point of Guantanomoing him? It shouldn't offer you any more satisfaction than just putting him in max-sec unless you're just as primal and fucked in the head they are.
I can very well assume this will receive no upvotes at all, but try to understand that physically torturing him doesn't make you any better than they are.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jesus... So, I was molested by my grandfather when I was 9 (or something, i have no idea, maybe 12? Its blocked out...) anyway, told my parents that day and my dad had always said, "If anyone fucks with you, Ill kill him!" But they didnt do anything. He just kept living with us for years. Pleeeeeease, if you find someone messing with your kid, stab a motherfucker! My best friend was brutally raped when she was 13. Her dad and brothers didnt kill that guy, either! Goddammit!
Legitimately, if anyone does anything like this to my daughter, related or not, best friend or not, wife or not, it will take everything in my power to not kill them. They certainly wouldn't be allowed to live with me or my daughter. I'm so sorry that happened and that your father didn't even come close to sticking to his word.
The consequences are really light if you step back and let the law take its course. I think that if the rapist, especially if its a relative a family friend etc, can build a case that spurns doubt into the charges and they either get off easy or don't get charged at all. It seems that rape is one of those crimes that only vigilante justice cures.
The consequences are NOTHING, in my experience. Imagine being a mother and going to the police to tell them that your 4 year old has just informed you that her grandfather has raped her, and the police response is to accuse said mother of sexually molesting her own child? That was my mother's experience. They gave her a lie detector test which she failed. She failed it because she was dealing with the fact that a million horrendous memories she had blocked out about her own abuse were overwhelming her mind at the time. She failed it because lie detector tests are bullshit. The police also called me an "unreliable witness". I tested positive for chlamydia, at four years old. I described how a MAN, my own grandfather, raped me. I (or possibly my brother) reported that my grandfather had choked my brother and told him if he ever told what he saw, the same would happen to him. All this was told to the police... in the end my rapist got away with it because my therapist and my mother refused to allow others to damage me further by putting a 4 year old on the stand to testify. My grandfather was disowned by the entire family.
It is really important for me to also mention that you NEVER tell my brother what to do, because he will do the exact opposite. He said something to our mother one day, and from there I was able to report the abuse. He was 2 years old at the time, 3 at most. Before he could form proper sentences himself, my baby brother helped me find my voice. He is my own personal savior and guardian angel.
I'm sorry I've dumped such major fucked up TMI on you haha but thanks for listening.
No problem. I was lucky to be spared of this kind of experience. From a crime aspect in is interesting because it is such a tremendous mountain for the victims themselves to climb in order to get the most minimal justice. People attack and criticize and question the victims and how they reacted. It's like wondering why someone who got hit by a car didn't run to a phonebooth to call for help when he had broken legs. I am so so sorry that you went through that and your mom and your brother too. There are no consequences bad enough for your grandfather.
And there were some consequences for my grandfather. He lost his entire family. They all disowned him. My mom threatened him with a knife at one point and my father stuck a shotgun in his face. I genuinely thank god that neither of them killed him, because I can guarantee that they would have faced harsher consequences for killing a child-rapist than he faced for being one.
Oh I totally agree. His favorite thing to call his daughters was the "C" word. Apparently he wrote my mother a letter once calling me that specific thing, as well as accusing me of being a liar. He was incapable to feeling any sort of remorse because he was an absolute sociopath. It didn't help that my grandmother was an enabler who blamed my mother when my mother tried to tell on her father. My grandmother died of cancer when she was 59 or 60. I like to think it ate her alive from the inside out. That probably sounds terribly cold to say about my own grandmother, but she's nearly as responsible as her husband for what happened to my mother.
Wow! Yep. No one in the injustice system can comprehend this stuff. I hope our generation can shine more light on it, but who would really understand the impact? I mean, this jackass just told me that some other jackass "proved" that my memory isnt blocked out๐๐๐ Im sorry about your piece-of-shit grandfather and happy for you to have a hero brother. I have one too. And Ill bet youre a super cool person to hang out with!
Oh gosh I sure wish people thought I was a super cool person to hang out with! Haha! My social anxiety and also an extreme lack of social skills make friendships hard. I have a boyfriend who adores me though and the feeling is absurdly mutual. Whenever I start to feel shitty about the past and all the awful things that have happened to me, I just remind myself that the person he loves is the person shaped by those events, and also it was destiny that we were meant to be together and every step I took in life, good or bad, led me to the love of my life. Hell, I'd suffer it all again just to meet him. I also have a terrible memory so most of the bad shit has faded from my mind, to be replaced by memories of a life suddenly worth living. ๐
Awesome! So psyched for you both!!! Theres nothing better!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are an incredibly brave person. I've been diagnosed as DID because of all I went through but I can't come out with a cohesive history like that. But I do understand and I so admire you for being able to say it out like that.
Thank you so much for your kind words. I don't know if I'm brave, though. I just think of myself as a survivor. I've had to survive a lot. Haha.
I'm so sorry for whatever you went through that left you with a diagnosable condition like DID. I had a friend years ago who I think probably had the same condition because of the abuse she suffered at the hands of her own father. It's really terrible when abuse leave such a deep scar. Don't get me wrong, I have my own long list of diagnosis, from bi-polar disorder to social anxiety to (shockingly! Hahaha) PTSD. Those are all pretty hard to live with, but I do thank god that he gave me only as many nonsense mental illnesses as I could handle, and not a bit more (so far! Ha!).
If you ever need someone to talk to, feel free to PM me. I'm not exactly the picture of "successful human being" myself (far from it! LoL) but I do try to be a good listener whenever someone needs to talk. I know exactly what it's like to have no one to talk to, so I try to offer an ear (or eyes at least haha) to everyone.
My grandfather was molesting my mom and her sister growing up. Instead of removing him from their lives, they clung even harder to him after the protection order ended. Then somewhere along the line someone groomed me. People like this, family or not, need to be dealt with way more firmly than they are. He served a 9 month sentence with work release for what he did. That's nowhere near enough for tainting two generations' childhoods.
Yeah. Its unclear to me whether its worse to murder someone or just destroy a child forever... Im so sorry about your busted ass family. Your grandfather's a monster. What do you mean someone "groomed" you?
Grooming is a tactic pedophiles use to "prepare" children for whatever sexual acts they may be trying to commit with said child. It often comes in the form of exposure to graphic sexual content in order to normalize the predators behavior. I don't have any memories of being molested, I may have been too young or it just didn't happen. But someone was preparing me for it, as there have been some behaviors and knowledge I've had from a young age that have had a severe, lasting impact on my life. It's taken a lot of therapy and professional guidance to see all the signs for what they were.
That being said, since coming to reddit, I have found some lovely support groups and have been writing about my experiences. It's very healing. Thank you for your condolences. And thank you for calling him out, hahaha. He recently got published in the news for saving kittens and it kind of made me sick to see him praised for.. well, anything.
You cant be disappointed in how the victims react. They are injured and reflect their injuries differently than someone who broke an arm or a leg. I think religions sometimes promise us hell and eternal suffering for people who do bad stuff. I fear that there are no consequences at all. Life is so painful and so harsh sometimes. I am sorry your family went through that. How horrible.
I mean, I can be disappointed that I ended up getting caught up in it. My mom just did all the shit he did to her, to me. I should never have been put in the situation I was, and there was a chance to prevent it when it happened to the first generation. I have patience for people choosing how they heal up until it affects the lives of others.
And thank you for your condolences. Things are never truly black and white.
Fuck the rapist. A friend of mine grew up in a logging town. His friend and the gang went to the city to fetch his drug addicted sister's pimp and dumped him in the woods after pulling his teeth out and breaking his fingers. This is all heresay and nothing ended up in the papers but makes for a satisfying story.
Canadian here. I didn't when I was younger, either. Then That changed and I realized my former reality was part blissful ignorance and a whole pile of insulated privelege bubble. You very likely do know people who've been raped who have never felt the desire to disclose this to you. It's also true that poverty is an enormous risk factor for having all kinds of bad things happen to you, and that people tend to be surrounded mostly by people with the same economic status as themselves. We also tend to gravitate towards people with similar life experiences. So most of my friends growing up were middle-class kids who enjoyed school, were involved in extra-cirricular activities, and came from relatively happy families with functional and supportive parents. The friends I made later in life who'd had some pretty traumatic experiences had struggled in school, gravitated to people who understood what it was like to be dealing with shit, and self-medicated in a variety of ways that would have made teenage me lable them "bad kids". We would have mutually avoided each other had we met earlier in life. I also found out when I was older that, despite our lower risk factors, there were things that had happened to my own family members that I'd had no clue about.
Kidnapping is overwhelmingly done by non-custodial parents and not randomly.
Is this a /s? There's a huge difference between not doing anything and going on a revenge tour. Easier said than done, but that's the point right? These people should be out on trial for rape. Of course saving people like the case in this story. Where she defended her daughter and in the heat of the moment is different than planning to revenge murder.
I didnt actually mean I would have liked them to murder people after the fact, but was just referencing that both our fathers had told us, "If anyone does that to you, Ill kill him!"
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:14:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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brunsw1ck ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:16:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I feel like there is definitely more effective ways of handling this without murder.
Like that one time I turned a guy who was step-father to 5 girls I grew up with and was raping them all and forced the one my age to abort his baby in 8th grade in to the police and he got a fucking year in county jail??????
I'm sorry that happened to you and I can sympathize. I don't get why people don't fucking take care of these shit people. Child molesters ruin the lives of these children.
Iorith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because vigilante "justice" is stupid as shit. Trial by a jury of your peers or bust.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:33:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you'd change your tune if someone assaulted someone close to you and you learned just how often sex offenders either just completely get off with no charges or get a light sentence.
Iorith ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:36:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be right, but there's a reason we don't let people who are personally involved handle the court case. Justice is supposed to be blind, not an appeal to emotion. What you're talking about is vengeance, not justice.
Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. As Iorith said, you don't just carry out vigilante justice. We don't get to drive around in a van full of guns like the Punisher and shoot everyone up. You either get over it, or press charges. You don't become loony and stock up on weapons.
So you'd prefer all countries to nuke each other (eye for an eye) rather than us live in peace with no consequences to a few mad men (north korea, iran, russia, china)?
I'd prefer that nobody nuke each other, but if someone attacks you and you don't make them suffer for that attack, they have no reason not to do it again.
WriterV ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, this just sounds bloodthirsty than actually trying to get at justice. I'm sorry you had to go through what happened, but that doesn't mean you should go on a killing spree and justify murder.
Instead report it, get him/her arrested, and they will be taken to court. Fight in court for them to get the right punishment.
Murdering others only ruins people. It harms the person doing the killing, and also doesn't really solve a whole lot.
Right? Just get your nine-year-old ass up to the court house (against your own mother's wishes) and get some justice for yoself! Murder that piece-of-shit and bury him in the back yard. Looking at you, Mom.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's never good to take revenge. We should not let ourselves be overcome by bloodlust. Of course if you happen to be in a situation where you must use knives to defend yourself and/or your kids then I wouldn't say anything about that...
But the Scripture says in Romans 12:19-21 -
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
Ok yes, but somehow it doesnt apply when acting on someone elses behalf, whose protection you are charged with. I will walk my child up to anyone who tries this shit and let her or him (i have two kids) watch me punch this loser in the face! Then the bastard can have some water. If my kid says its ok.
Seriously? I literally cannot recall any of the standard "marking events" one associates with any regular memory, ie; 'that was the year i got a pony for christmas,' or, 'it was summer.' Its totally frustrating! Id love to pinpoint it, but some self-preservationist inside me just says, 'sush dont fret.'
So, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this but I'm not using names and it was years ago. My mom served jury duty in Detroit for a woman who was on trial for pulling a gun on her boyfriend. Her boyfriend was abusive and she discovered that he had been molesting her 7 year old daughter as well. She told him to get out of her house, and he beat her pretty badly. So she went down the street and borrowed her neighbors gun. There were no bullets in the clip, but the guy didn't know that. She pulled it on him and told him he could either die right there or leave. They arrested her for having an illegal gun, and some other charges I don't remember. She was acquitted on all charges and went free.
"The [inmate] said that the man told [him] "this is what it is like in [prison] when you [rape kids]," before [savagely brutalizing him], the report says. "
...fingers crossed
Edit: there's dictionaries y'all could look at, but brutalize โ sodomize. It means to treat with brutality.
2nd edit: I didn't and never would advocate anyone getting raped. I wouldn't normally advocate violence either but I hope this guy gets his ass beat and then the guards beat him and then the paramedics beat him and then the orderlies drop him on the floor and then the doctors beat him and then he's put in solitary and when he gets out, I hope the girl he raped beats his ass.
Well, the mother stabbed the rapist. I'm OK with that.
awry_lynx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah uh that doesn't fix anything. You could kill every human on earth but "rape" is not under the category "punishment". Do you honestly think rape is a punishment for committing even the worst crimes?
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:12:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you yourself are a rapist, you should absolutely get raped.
Nobody. should. ever. get. raped. Why is that so complicated?
Prison rape is literally rape culture, and we can't ignore it. It should never be used as punishment because this justifies the use of rape and the existence of rapists. Fuck that.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And why shouldn't serial rapists and child predators get the same treatment that they inflict on others?
That is basically saying, let poor people suffer. The prison system is used to house the poor. So long as our justice system is pay to play, our prisons are a human rights disaster.
They should be for rehabilitation, not punishment, if we actually cared about society. The rich would not be able to avoid prison, and black people and poor people wouldn't be disadvantaged.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying "let rapists suffer." Don't put words in my mouth. Your whole argument about "poor people" is a straw man.
I'm talking about rapists, people who rape, being punished for raping people in an appropriate way.
The rapists that get sent to jail are the poor ones. The rich ones aren't in jail. They aren't affected by the registry either because they can live anywhere and they don't need jobs. Our system is designed to fuck the poor. It is not designed to keep rapists out of society. Understand what I'm saying?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then let's fix that. Then there's no problem.
Christoh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only. If you think about it, some of the 1% are literally holding back the progression of mankind, for
example, we still heavily depend on coal/oil.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a whole different argument we could spend days on. I think we've exhausted the argument at hand though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get that it's not something for the law to decide. Let the prisoners they're around decide that.
loserlame ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me realize, there are some poor innocent souls in prison wrongly convicted of rape.
because it makes zero sense from a societal standpoint. it legitimizes rape as acceptable in certain contexts. This bring society as a whole down to the level of the rapists. it turns into an eye for an eye punishment that does nothing to reform offenders and doesn't give offenders an opportunity to be rehabilitated. by treated the worst of humanity with dignity society gets better.
Rehabilitation is always a better end goal than punishment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't rehab a pedophile. It's like trying to rehab someone's sexual orientation. And I'm not equating LGBT to pedophiles. But as far as we know, being a pedophile is a "hardware" issue, for the most part.
However we can do our best to rehabilitate those people. Raping someone isn't going to accomplish anything but leave those people more broken. Perhaps instead we can focus on stopping and preventing those behaviors. Redirecting those impulses into a positive behavior.
We can study and observe the neurology and genetics and predispositions so we can practice early intervention and perhaps work towards a cure. Maybe with a greater understanding and improvement with gene editing such as crispr we could make great strides in treatment of pedophiles.
Raping them isn't progress if anything it's a slide back towards unenlightened thought and towards baser human emotions.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is that we should always be trying, because that's what the system as a whole should be geared towards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At one point do we say we're wasting resources and time by trying to help you? Some people cannot be helped.
rprkjj ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:16:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't see the problem with using rape as a punishment?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not for serial rapists and child predators. Why shouldn't they get the same horrific treatment they've inflicted on others?
However, I understand that that isn't a good idea in practice. Only in theory.
This sentiment is so based in hazardous emotion it is sickening. I hope someone like you never ends up on a jury.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually studying to be an attorney. And that's why I said this isn't sustainable in practice. I would never work to institute a law like this because it's a slippery slope. It'd also be a nightmare to regulate logistically.
I believe in the law, above all else. If you rape, you go to jail. What happens after that is not my decision.
No, you're wrong and an awful person if you think that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I'm not. Rapists put a horrible amount of suffering on their victims and I see no reason why they shouldn't get that suffering right back. Why shouldnt they understand what they've done to other people? Why shouldn't they feel as helpless as the women and children they've pinned down and raped in their own homes?
It's fucking ridiculous that they get off with their psyches intact after ripping someone else's to shreds.
kasuchans ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been raped. They should be thrown in prison, a psychologically harmful and damaging situation, and punished accordingly. But I don't believe in using rape as a punishment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been assaulted as well. We just have different viewpoints on this.
kasuchans ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair. I just think that this sort of mindset is part of the larger culture that believes rape is justified in certain scenarios. I don't think we should make a society where rape is "right" in any situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe in a karmic university. You get what you give. If you choose to give someone a lifetime of trauma, you should get that back. I guess ultimately the universe decides what's enough.
I've seen it. Mother said the father raped the daughter. The daughter wasn't allowed to testify because she would have said he did not rape her. The father went to prison for child rape. He gets out, the daughter gets emancipated and moves in with him because the mother was a horrible abuser that lied to put her father in prison. Father is too poor to mount an appeal. He has a job, and his daughter is safe now, but the mother is walking free and he served hard time for something he didn't do.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's bullshit the kid wasn't allowed to testify. That is, however, an outlier. I'm also not saying it should be put into legal practice. Someone else pointed out it falls under the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. I get that. But I don't think prisoners should be stopped from taking care of their own.
I don't believe prisoners should be denied basic human rights.
mitchy94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we put way too much pride in being a human. I know I will get downvoted to hell for this but let's say a dog raped a girl what would happen? It would be put down for sure. What about a horse? Or monkey? They'd be put down.
What is the difference between humans and animals? We know better, we communicate, we have empathy? So a human being who knows better, can feel empathy, and can communicate knowing the person says no, or is too young. They CHOOSE to disregard that, CHOOSE to use that person as essentially a sexual object. They are not a human, they are a monster and should be treated as such!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say prisoners. I said rapists. If rapists are prisoners, so be it.
There wouldn't be nearly as many rapists if we didn't have our prison industrial complex in the first place. Generations of poor and minorities being sent to prison for bullshit, this is what you get. A culture of pay for play justice, this is what you get. A large voting block that tolerates and even embraces fascism, misogyny, anti-intellectualism, this is what you get.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely disagree. You don't get rapists from the prison system. You may get thieves and drug dealers, because we give people who are released no way to find jobs and support themselves. But prison doesn't make murderers or rapists. People are already murderers and rapists before they go in.
If my view is toxic, so is yours, since you actually believe rape is justified by people going to prison and being made into rapists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Lol" no it doesn't. You can't seriously argue that being in prison is justification for being a rapist. That takes so much blame off rapists for their actions.
What's your reasonable acceptable number? One guilty person for each innocent? Unlimited innocent people in prison as long as we catch all of them that are guilty?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'd say 25 prisoners to one innocent person is fairly reasonable. After that it's not as reasonable. 500 is in fairly solid ridiculous territory. But 1,000 rapists, murderers, and thieves going free so Steve doesn't go to jail? Fuck that.
So is jailing an innocent man thereby letting the guilty one go free. The guilty one gets to continue his crimes and the innocent one gets his life and his family's lives ruined to make you feel better.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One life gets ruined or 1,000 other lives get ruined. Guilty people who go free still commit crimes. They don't just magically stop because they didn't get convicted. In fact, they'll most likely commit several. So if 1,000 guilty people commit multiple crimes, that's an even higher number. If every criminal who goes free commits 10 crimes, that's 10,000 people who's lives have been ruined. And that number is only that low if those people have no family.
So no. It's not to make me feel better. I'm going by the numbers. I honestly feel like you're the one who's trying to make themselves feel better with a knee-jerk reaction and not thinking about the consequences of letting 1,000 criminals go free just to save one guy. But to be fair, I'm leaving out petty misdemeanors because this ridiculous scenario usually implies felonies.
You're missing the point of the saying. It's meant to express that if there's a 1/1000 chance that the person might be innocent, they should go free, not that we should let 1000 obviously guilty people go free for each one that gets wrongly convicted.
Skoma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we should make it part of their sentence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should let prisoners take care of their own. I understand this isn't sustainable in practice.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: FFS "savagely brutalize" means "beat the shit out of". The original quote said "sexually assaulted" and I would have left that there if that's what I meant.
Yeah, it's fucked up isn't it. Someone commits a crime so disgusting it makes people want to puke, and then people respond by wanting that person to be brutalized in a similar manner. When people get emotional they throw logic, and sometimes morality, completely out the window.
You'll see people not even skip a beat saying "rape is the worst crime ever and should never happen, I can't believe they would rape someone, I hope they get raped in prison" and the cognitive dissonance never hits them.
Dropbaud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an eye for an eye mentality. I do agree with it in a way tho, we need stronger deterrent's and to make people not even think about doing this to children. It's absolutely the worst thing you can do and I'd put it next to a 2nd degree murder conviction. Because not much beats murder.
We could start by fixing the state of mental health care in this country. Assuming that guy even wanted to get help for his problems it's likely that he couldn't. I knew of a guy (not personally) who went to Charter to try to get help for his urges and they turned him away, and then he ended up in prison for raping a kid. Someone who wanted to not ever become a criminal tried to get help and couldn't, and that was someone who actually had the courage to admit to having a problem and seeking help.
It's not more punishment we need, it's prevention and treatment. This really applies to most crime in general, but in America we've got a raging hardon for harsh prison sentences. We love punishment. The problem is this doesn't help the victim not become a victim and just makes people feel good about hurting a criminal when what we really needs is to reduce crime by attacking the root cause.
Dropbaud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a very thought out reply. I'll have to agree with it, for those who seek help there is non to be found. It does need to be fixed.
Might want to work on your reading skills before you start calling others "idiot", Mr. Pot.
Valway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you agree with cruel and unusual treatment then?
Even with people being exonerated with DNA evidence every week, people still think this is okay. Baffling.
We don't have cruel and unusual punishments, because we already end up punishing innocent people. Now add rape/brutality to that and we truly are fucking over convicts
You're headed toward a different discussion, which is the degree of certainty in a conviction and how that should factor in to the sentencing. I'm not really talking about that because this discussion started on the premise that he did this thing.
Under the assumption that this guy did it, yes. I'm suggesting he should be made to suffer and be removed from the population permanently.
I hope the prison system does what it can to protect all inmates from harm. However, given the actions by this man I do not judge anyone who wishes harm upon him.
FM-96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However, given the actions by this man I do not judge anyone who wishes harm upon him.
Maybe you don't judge anyone who wishes harm upon him, but I sure hope you'd judge anyone who does harm upon him.
I'd judge them to a degree. I believe anyone found to commit a violent crime against him should be punished, but I do believe there would be mitigating factors in sentencing. For example, I would not expect the same punishment for someone who killed him in jail as I would expect of someone that killed a wholly innocent person. One might be a 10 year tack on sentence, the other I would hope for life in prison.
FM-96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would not expect the same punishment for someone who killed him in jail as I would expect of someone that killed a wholly innocent person.
Why though? In both cases they proved that they're able and willing to plan and execute a murder. That makes them a menace to society, doesn't it? Why should one get a significantly lesser punishment?
And if the only reason is essentially that one of them killed someone that you think kinda deserves it, then what about someone who murders someone "technically innocent" who got off on a technicality? Should they also only get a 10 year sentence or so? Or what if the victim is someone who has committed a horrendous crime, but has since been released from prison?
In sentencing the judge has discretion to look at the totality of the circumstances. So, let's say a rape victim kills her rapist after he is found innocent, I would defiantly take that into account. Watch the movie, A Time to Kill. It's an excellent look at vigilantly justice and why we have the rules we have. I don't entirely agree with the conclusion of the movie, but the raw emotion of it is very interesting.
Also, I say this as a former public defender. I have helped represent rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and drunk drivers. I believe strongly in innocence until proven guilty as a standard for government, but not for societal judgement. Same would apply to vigilantism. Who the victim is plays a huge roll in sentencing. Someone who kills a gang member in an act of revenge does not pose the same threat to society as a child serial killer.
If you can't take the beating, don't do the raping.
lauraa- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because its reddit? We love vigilante justice and taking the law into our own hands.
Caelinus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We are supposed to be the good guys.
I admit that the thought it cathartic, but it never un-sexually-assults someone. I of course do not blame the woman for attacking him in the moment, that was done in a defensive rage, but afterward we need to be better than that.
Extra judicial beatings and rapes are still crimes, and are not justice. I won't shed many tears over this trash, but I do want to be better than them.
Skoma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:21:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. If we think a prisoner deserves to be raped or beaten then we should make it part of their sentence. We don't because we have laws against cruel and unusual punishment (and because it's fucked up). And as much as I feel like he deserves it, we should not allow prisoners to suffer beyond what their sentence entails, no matter how satisfying it may feel.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't either, don't put words in my mouth. But "counseling, mental health evaluations"? Are you serious? The only one who needs counseling is the kid he sexually abused.
kasuchans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if anything, counseling may help him realize he's a horrible person? Look, I don't know. Sexual assaulters have a high rate of recidivism and there isn't a great solution. And yes, the mother and daughter obviously need mental help. I just think we need to try non violent shit with these people...
I think so too, but one way or another, whether violent or not, these people need to be separated from society unless we are 100% certain that it won't happen again. It takes a special kind of evil to do this to a child.
kasuchans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. That's literally what prison is for -- separating them from the normal population and trying to work on them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To clarify, I am in support of mental evaluation. If he is cognitively impaired to the point where he cannot function as an adult, then sure. That's kinda the entire premise of the insanity plea. I am operating under the assumption that this is not the case. Given the information we have, I think this is a reasonable assumption. If I've overlooked something, then I'd be glad to see it.
I felt like the guy I replied to originally trivialized the whole thing and was so eager to call out the "hive mind" to demonstrate his own moral superiority. Calling for the guys head is excessive and outside our justice system, but I don't think it's "irrational." His tone came off as, "just get him on some meds, let him see a counselor, and turn him back out into the wild after he's written an apology note and done a couple years in minimum security."
I think you have the correct mindset. But I don't think our system as it currently exists gives us enough certainty that criminals won't do these things again, and it's only in that case that I think these people should be reintegrated into society. And if you've done something on this scale, you really don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I think you're also overly optimistic about our capabilities. I don't believe we have the resources to guarantee they won't commit crimes again. I never advocated for "wiping people off the face of the earth." Once again, don't put words in my mouth. But they should be removed from society, as in locked away for a very long time (if that ends up being less of a burden on society vs. fronting costs of rehab).
I am aware that I am speaking as someone relatively uninformed on the criminal justice system. If I've overlooked something or if it turns out that rehab results in 90% of criminals leading productive lives while being cheaper for taxpayers, I'd like to see the data and I'd be glad to learn something new. I'm trying to keep an open mind about this, but it feels like a lot of people are trivializing this and are ready to write this off as a mental disorder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, sorry for the late response, I thought I replied to this but it evidently didn't go through.
I wasn't referring to you in my last comment, it was the guy I replied to first in this thread, you may not have seen it if you don't know what I'm referring to. Just making sure you know I don't have any issue with your tone, I think your points have been raised in a fair and logical manner.
It is evident to me that I am quite out of my depth here, so I apologize in advance if my responses are inadequate or trivial in nature. I don't think we are disagreeing whether prison or rehab is more effective. Instead, my main objection is that I don't think we can support effective rehab given current funding and resources without levying higher taxes or otherwise increasing the burden on society. I think the choice at this point in time is more like: would you rather have
a) ineffective rehab that releases criminals back on the street
b) ineffective prison time that at least keeps those people quarantined
or
c) implement effective rehab, but at the cost of penalizing everybody else through taxation
And to answer your question, I would definitely prefer preventative action vs. keeping people circulating through the prison system. But again, I don't know how realistic that option is.
Thanks for the in-depth and levelheaded response.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea.. I'm sure he will return to us as a normal member of society. Honestly this guy should be dead. Doesn't matter what the law says, if anyone would rape my daughter it would be the last thing they do.
FM-96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, personal emotions can cloud one's judgement.
Generally, it's the decision not influenced by emotions that is regarded as the more objective and correct one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with finding a jury that's not influenced by emotion when faced with a pedophile. The guy that beat his daughters rapist to death in Texas didn't get charged because it was legal like it should be.
FM-96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with finding a jury that's not influenced by emotion when faced with a pedophile.
You're probably correct there, but that doesn't make it morally right. And the parents of the victim certainly wouldn't be allowed to be on the jury, for exactly that reason.
The guy that beat his daughters rapist to death in Texas didn't get charged because it was legal like it should be.
Yes, it's legal to kill someone in defense of your own or someone else's life, and it should be.
...how does this relate to raping, beating and/or killing someone in prison (where they present no imminent threat to anybody) again?
TaxExempt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child rape is the only crime I think prison rape is justified for.
hertz037 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both? If there were actual justice in the world, every child rapist would be sodomized with a battery acid coated spiked rod and left permanently incontinent.
kasuchans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the prison system's blind eye to and in some cases, like right here, acceptance of prison rape is part of the culture that treats rape like something some people deserve. I hope this guy dies a horrible lonely death in prison, but I don't wish sexual assault on him because, in my opinion and based on my experiences, no one deserves sexual assault.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the_jak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:16:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the time I would agree with you.
But not for child rapists.
kasuchans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copied from my other comment below.
Because the prison system's blind eye to and in some cases, like right here, acceptance of prison rape is part of the culture that treats rape like something some people deserve. I hope this guy dies a horrible lonely death in prison, but I don't wish sexual assault on him because, in my opinion and based on my experiences, no one deserves sexual assault.
"The [inmate] said that the man told [him] "this is what it is like in [prison] when you [rape kids]," before [savagely brutalizing him], the report says. "
...fingers crossed
Man I wonder what part of society allowed this guy to foster the idea that raping is ok is some circumstances as long as you feel its justified.
If you want child molesters to be raped and murdered for their crimes then lobby your local representatives to change the laws rather than depend on imprisoned murderers to do it for you.
The imprisoned murderers might not always do it to the people you want them to.
I read the comment where you presented the boyfriend's statement, edited to what you hoped a brute in prison would say to the boyfriend, then wrote "fingers crossed". If you didn't intend that to mean you were hoping for some imprisoned violent felon to harm the boyfriend then you picked a very strange way to say it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:05:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could've stabbed him enough to kill him, that'd have been a place to start.
I don't disagree, but I hope she wasn't even more traumatized with him getting stabbed while in the same room/on top of her (didn't specify)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:23:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was surely traumatic, but also positive for her to see someone defending her at such a cost. She will remember that she was defended, because he was wrong, and that fighting people in those situations is right. Better to see her mother win than stand there and let it happen, or be attacked herself.
_Cattack_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I get what you're saying but wouldn't it be even more traumatizing for a 12 year old to witness their mother trying to kill someone? I'm not saying it wasn't justified, but there has to be some part of her that'll remember a person being stabbed repeatedly in front of her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, he's still talking so not enough stabby.
murkar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are very few occasions where I'd agree that stabbing someone is the solution, but this is definitely one of them.
So there I was, with a gun to my head and about to die again for the fifth time. When I first started this job they told me time travel was a bitch. Well, they weren't wrong. BANG... the end.
Think about this, what is the most exciting thing that can happen on TV or in movies, or in real-life? Somebody has a gun. That's why I always start with a gun, because you can't top it. You just can't.
noveler7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You thought you could away with it, didn't ya? Didn't ya?!
Is this a real story? It's an interesting premise.
sourband ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fade in. Exterior. Unnamed city. Day.
The hustle and bustle is a symphony of progress.
We pan past windows, each of which contain a different story,
to find Jacey Lakims, 28... hot, but doesn't know it.
Jacey stops when her high heel gets caught in the grating of a sewer.
Suddenly, a man steps into frame and points a gun at her. This is not her day.
I took a guy to small claims for backing into my parked car. I had witnesses and was 18 during the hearing and he was probably early 50s. Judge asked me to give her my recollection of the event.
TBH, you did yourself a favor giving up then. You don't need 1000 pages of detailed description of whaling when the story being told could be covered in about 30 pages.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How bad is it that I initially thought of "maybe" as my response?
brickmack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would quite like to see a proper fantasy novel written based on the Bible. Theres some neat concepts in there. Too bad its just so damn dry and overly moralistic.
No wonder Stephen King calls The Dark Tower series, 'the Jupiter of his solar system'.
...because it's a giant unfocused gasbag that sucks up detritus floating around it without contributing anything new or original?
EDIT: Just because King took a bunch of pop culture references and random pages of his previous books, then stuck them in a blender, masturbated into it, and hit "frappe" doesn't mean you're a genius for drinking it. It only means you finally found the answer to "what's the lowest common denominator for people who like westerns, Tolkien slash/fic, 4chan, and sniffing their own fingers?"
There are very few King books this isn't true about.
z6joker9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I somehow managed to make it through the first book. I had no desire to continue.
TechGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just read books 1 and 2 last month and am now halfway through 3. 2 is way better than 1, imo. Much more focused, more dialogue, more interesting characters, and the last 15% is an insanely cool action sequence.
In comparison, 1 feels a bit like a depressed teenager's college freshman writing assignment. Lots of big words and big concepts but it feels a bit forced. And from Kings forward at the beginning of each book, it seems he kind of feel the same way when he looks back at it.
matewa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read the whole series and liked it and still can't really disagree with you.
Aeneis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:58:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite opening sentence is:
Amory Blaine inherited from his mother every trait, except the stray inexpressible few, that made him worth while.
โIn my younger and more vulnerable years my father gave me some advice that I've been turning over in my mind ever since.
"Whenever you feel like criticizing any one," he told me, "just remember that all the people in this world haven't had the advantages that you've had.โ
also a banger.
Aeneis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Fitzgerald is generally amazing when it comes to opening and ending sentences. Also, everything in between now that I think about it.
I felt it was a decent mind fuck. Especially cause it changes things just enough to show that his journey is slightly different each time oooooor we just witnessed the unique one that changes things forever more
The Dresden files. The first two are a little iffy because of the authors experience in writing but by book 4 it really gets good. This is from the 6th book after the main character is being chased by flying purple monkey demons that throw flaming poop
renscoguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gunslinger ties with Wizards First Rule for me. "It was an odd shaped vine."
The Dark Tower was the third time I gave a Steven King book a chance. It was the only one I finished, but I have since completely given up on him. I hate everything he writes.
Is this from Stephen King's The Dark Tower? The Gunslinger? I only just started reading it and I'm up to the bit where the gunslinger massacres the entire town that's after him but I get lost sometimes because there's no explanation of certain things like who Kennedy is and what he does and why the Gunslinger visits him
bgfather ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like another terrible book with no gunslingers.
To be fair, the second half of the sentence still kinda sounds like Johnny Cash fanfiction.
billtipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read about 200 pages and am finding it difficult to go back to .
This from someone who has read and enjoyed Wheel of Time series through 13 or whatever books.
Is it worth continuing?.
atthem77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My enjoyment of the series is definitely a bell curve. The first book is not great by itself, but the series quickly gets very good. It peaks around The Waste Lands or Wizard and Glass, and begins to decline, with the last book being fairly poor in my opinion. In classic King style, he has no idea how to finish a good story.
Is it worth reading? Yes. Is it the best book series? Certainly not.
billtipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I'll try again soon. Any recommendations for a better series?.
atthem77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In no particular order...
Harry Potter, J K Rowling
Hunger Games, Suzanne Collins
A Song of Ice and Fire, George R R Martin*
The Chronicles of Narnia, C S Lewis
The Dark Elf Trilogy, R A Salvatore
The Kingkiller Chronicle, Patrick Rothfuss*
The Lord of the Rings, J R R Tolkien
*Incomplete series. The most recent book in the series was released in 2011. WTF WRITE MORE
This has been happening to me so much recently. Just a few hours ago I was thinking about how phenomenal the pairing of that line and the final line of the series is.
cody14110 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never really got this joke as a kid. But thinking of it now makes me laugh so hard. Those monkeys were working so hard and they managed to come up with something incredible, but of course it wasn't good enough for Burns.
rlbond86 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the joke...
RscMrF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I were cultured enough to get the reference.....
Soramke ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:49:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the beginning of A Tale of Two Cities. The next part of the sentence is "...it was the worst of times," (and then a bunch more contradictory superlatives after that), so stopping after the beginning of the sentence would give a rather misleading impression.
balrogath ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:41:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"If you really want to hear about it, the first thing youโll probably want to know is where I was born, and what my lousy childhood was like -"
Tediiiooooussss
FishDawgX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Generally, the first paragraph in classic novels is a summary of the entire book. And the first sentence is a summary of the summary. You just can't understand it without reading the whole book.
alex6734 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!? You stupid monkeys!
veveveve0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the blurst of times
Duwt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In a hole in the ground, there lived--"
"Oh what, so instead of a wonderful high fantasy midget adventure, I gotta read about gophers and shit? I ain't readin' about no fuckin' ground animal, fuck this book."
I wonder if Buzzfeed will save their "What did these people think classic books were about when they only read the first half of the first sentence?" article for Monday, or just blow their wad tomorrow.
You joke, but when Al Sharpton debated Christopher Hitchens, it became quickly apparent that, not only had Sharpton not read the book he was criticizing, he had not even made it to the subtitle!
Mex-Box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BF should have enjoyed "Speak with soft words and don't show 12 year old your small dick." - Ted-D Roosevelt
Night had come to the city of Skalandarharia, the sort of night with such a quality of black to it that it was as if black coal had been wrapped in blackest velvet, bathed in the purple-black ink of the demon squid Drindel and flung down a black well that descended toward the deepest, blackest crevasses of Drindelthengen, the netherworld ruled by Drindel, in which the sinful were punished, the black of which was so legendarily black that when the dreaded Drindelthengenflagenโฆ
โฆ imagine the best things that might be made of this, and check if your imagination was up to the task.
Yes, people were so divine and perfect back in the 1700s before porn was readily available. And I'm sure all of those rapey priests were smashed on alcohol when they were molesting children.
jaybusch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:18:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, with the amount of beer brewed by clergymen and wine had by the church, it's entirely possible some of them were. I don't mean alcohol is the deciding factor, but it's a possibility.
I otherwise agree, it's like trying to say between gin and tonic, and vodka and tonic, tonic is what makes you drunk! After all, it's the only obvious connection between these two drinks.
No, usually a pedopile has been abused as a child themself. But alcohol and porn do desensitize people enough to loose those boundaries and actually do it.
cheertina ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So do you think child rape/molestation/sexual abuse is more common now than, say, 50 years ago?
Do you have any evidence for this claim that alcohol and porn make this kind of thing more likely?
I think it's a subject of investigation right now. Various governments and orgs are studying the possible connection between porn use/sexual abuse/violence and several papers have been released.
Pornography combined with masturbation has been shown to have triple the addictive power of some of the strongest drugs. It's been shown to deform the brain over time.. and affect many social behaviors.
We're just starting to learn about the effects of high speed internet (& easy porn) access on people.
Since porn and masturbation are so pleasurable and seemingly "less exploitive" compared to things like prostitution, etc. people are loathe to admit it can have adverse effects on people's minds and bodies.
Ironically, an article about this study pinpoints how people often dismiss pornography as a possible cause "citing not enough causation data," but it points out that people ignore that pornography does have negative impact.
As an aside I believe several serial killers (ted buddy) have cited hard-core pornography as one of the instigating/underlying factors in their psyche/actions (though the word of serial killers is probably very suspect). It doesn't absolve them, but it's worth investigation.
Edit: you can see a lengthy canoli of a response for those who want sources in one of my replies to a comment blow
cheertina ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:56:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a subject of investigation right now. Various governments and orgs are studying the possible connection between porn use/sexual abuse/violence and several papers have been released.
Link to those papers?
Pornography combined with masturbation has been shown to have triple the addictive power of some of the strongest drugs. It's been shown to deform the brain over time.. and affect many social behaviors.
Cite?
We're just starting to learn about the effects of high speed internet (& easy porn) access on people.
Cite?
Since porn and masturbation are so pleasurable and seemingly "less exploitive" compared to things like prostitution, etc. people are loathe to admit it can have adverse effects on people's minds and bodies.
Cite that it does?
Ironically, an article about this study pinpoints how people often dismiss pornography as a possible cause "citing not enough causation data," but it points out that people ignore that pornography does have negative impact.
Link to this article?
As an aside I believe several serial killers (ted buddy) have cited hard-core pornography as one of the instigating/underlying factors in their psyche/actions (though the word of serial killers is probably very suspect). It doesn't absolve them, but it's worth investigation.
Conflicts with study in the 70's (however this doesn't account for the changes in technology and accessibility of pornography through high speed internet)
India:
Sexual Crime in India: Is it Influenced by Pornography?
Concludes that it did not have an effect (but notes caution Results presented needs to be interpreted with extreme care and caution)
Indian J Psychol Med. 2014 Apr-Jun; 36(2): 147โ152.
4 Countries (but this was a study done in the 80's before the internet)
Pornography and rape: theory and practice? Evidence from crime data in four countries where pornography is easily available.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2032762
I prob won't have time to respond anymore to this thread, but I hope you're satisfied with the amount of articles I have provided you. Honestly, if you are genuinely curious I welcome you to do your own research and look up your own scientific articles. You'll notice that conclusions made in the 70's, 80's and 90's will wildly co
nflict with more recent stuff in the 00's and 10's
cheertina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the extensive links. I do appreciate you backing up your claims.
I will note, however, that child sexual abuse is down significantly since the '90s:
Brain structure and functional connectivity associated with pornography consumption: the brain on porn. (Kรผhn S1, Gallinat J2.) from JAMA Psychiatry
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202
"As a result of viewing pornography women reported lowered body image, partner critical of their body, increased pressure to perform acts seen in pornographic films, and less actual sex, while men reported being more critical of their partnersโ body and less interested in actual sex.
Albright, J. (2008). Sex in America online: An exploration of sex, marital status, and sexual identity in Internet sex seeking and its impacts. Journal of Sex Research, 45, 175โ186.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18569538
Exposure to โmassive pornographyโ leads to changes in beliefs and attitudes. For example, reduced support for the womenโs liberation movement, reduced belief that pornography needs to be restricted for minors, reduced recommended jail sentences for rapists, increased callousness toward woman, and beliefs of increased frequency of pathological sex (such as sex with animals, and sex with violence).
Zillmann, D & J. Bryant. (1984). Effects of massive exposure to pornography. In Malamuth, N and Donnerstein, E. (Eds), Pornography and sexual aggression. San Diego, Academic Press.
The strongest predictors of use of cyberporn were weak ties to religion and lack of a happy marriage. However, past sexual deviance (e.g., involvement in paid sex) was also a strong predictor of cyberporn use. Persons ever having an extramarital affair were 3.18 times more apt to have used cyberporn than ones who had lacked affairs. Further, those ever having engaged in paid sex were 3.7 times more apt than those who had not to be using cyberporn. Overall the model explained 40 percent of the variance in porn use on the Internet.
Stack, S., Wasserman, I. & Kern, R. (2004). Adult Social Bonds and Use of Internet Pornography. Social Science Quarterly, 85, 75-88.
Women who were exposed to pornography as children were more likely to accept the rape myth and to have sexual fantasies that involved rape.
Corne, S., Briere, J. & Esses, L. (1992). Womenโs attitudes and fantasies about rape as a function of early exposure to pornography. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 7, 4, 454-461.
Male domestic violence offenders who utilize the sex industry (pornography and strip clubs) use more controlling behaviors, engage in more sexual abuse, stalking and marital rape against their partners then males who do not use the sex industry.
Simmons, C. A, Lehmann, P & Collier-Tenison, S. (2008). Linking male use of the sex industry to controlling behaviors in violent relationships. Violence against Women, 14, 406-417.
At the 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, a gathering of the nationโs divorce lawyers, attendees documented a startling trend. Nearly two-thirds of the attorneys present had witnessed a sudden rise in divorces related to the Internet; 58% of those were the result of a spouse looking at excessive amounts of pornography online.
Paul, P. (2005). Pornified. New York: Times Books.
In a sample of 30 juveniles who had committed sex offenses, exposure to pornographic material at a young age was common. The researchers reported that 29 of the 30 juveniles had been exposed to X-rated magazines or videos; the average age at exposure was about 7.5 years.
Wieckowski, E., Hartsoe, P., Mayer, A., and Shortz, J. 1998. Deviant sexual behavior in children and young adolescents: Frequency and patterns. Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment, 10, 4, 293-304.
Juvenile sex offenders were questioned about their use of sexually explicit material. Only 11% said they did not use sexually explicit material. Of those who used the material, 74% said it increased their sexual arousal.
Becker, J. V. & Stein, R. M. (1991). Is sexual erotica associated with sexual deviance in adolescent males? International Journal of Law and Psychiatry, 14, 85-95.
Male and female students and non students were shown videos for one hour each week for six weeks. Half of these subjects were shown pornography which was non violent and included common sexual practices. Half of the subjects were shown videos that had no pornography, no violence and were innocuous. Two weeks after they stopped seeing the videos they were all given an opportunity to watch videos in private. Those who saw the pornography were significantly more likely to pick harder core pornography which included sex with animals and sex that included violence. Those who had seen the innocuous videos were unlikely to pick the pornographic videos to watch. They were especially unlikely to pick the hardcore pornographic videos to watch.
Watching pornographic videos increases the interest in watching pornographic videos that are more hardcore and contain unusual and/or pathological sexual behaviors.
Zillmann, D. & Bryant, J. (1986). Shifting preferences in pornography consumption. Communication Research, 13, 4, 560-578.
Almost two thirds (67%) of young adult males find pornography use acceptable while 49% of young adult females find it acceptable. More young adult males use pornography (87%) than young adult females (31%). While 31% of males use pornography never or less than once a month about 5% of males use pornography daily or almost daily. Young adult females use pornography infrequently; 69 % never use it, 21% use it less than once a month and only .2% use it daily or almost every day. For males, more pornography use is correlated with more sex partners, more alcohol use, more binge drinking, greater acceptance of sex outside of marriage for married individuals, greater acceptance of sex before marriage and less child centeredness during marriage.
Carroll, J. S., Padilla-Walker, L. M., Nelson, L. J., Olson, C. D., Barry, C. M., & Madsen, S. (2008). Generation XXX: Pornography acceptance and use among emerging adults. Journal of Adolescent Research, 23, 1, 6-30.
Males who are involved with interpersonal violence in their relationships and who use pornography and go to strip clubs use more controlling behaviors with their partners. These males engage in more sexual abuse, stalking and marital rape than abusers who do not use pornography and go to strip clubs.
Simmons, C. A., Lehmann, P. & Collier-Tennison, S. (2008). Linking male use of the sex industry to controlling behaviors in violent relationships: An exploratory analysis. Violence Against Women, 14, 406-417.
Forty percent of abused women indicated that their partner used violent pornography. Of those whose partners used pornography, 53% of the women indicated that they had been asked or forced to enact scenes that they had been shown. Forty percent of the abused women had been raped and of these, 73% stated that their partners had used pornography. Twenty-six percent of the women had been reminded of pornography during the abuse.
Cramer, E. & McFarlane, J. (1994). Pornography and abuse of women. Public Health Nursing, 11, 4, 268-272.
The likelihood of sexual harassment is significantly correlated with volume of past exposure of sexually explicit materials.
Barak, A., Fisher, W.A., Belfry, S., & Lashambe, D. R. (1999). Sex, guys, and cyberspace: Effects of internet pornography and individual differences on menโs attitudes toward women. Journal of Psychological and Human Sexuality, 11, 63-92.
There was an increase in attitudes supporting sexual violence following pornography exposure. Violent pornography increased these attitudes even more than non violent pornography.
Allen, M., Emmers, T. M., Gebhardt, L., & Giery, M. (1995). Pornography and rape myth acceptance. Journal of Communication, 45, 5-26.
High pornography users were higher in rape myth acceptance, acceptance of violence against women, adversarial sex beliefs, reported likelihood of rape, reported likelihood of forced sex acts and sex callousness than low pornography users.
High pornography users who were shown nonviolent dehumanizing pornography showed higher scores in reported likelihood of rape, sex callousness and sexually aggressive behaviors than high pornography users who werenโt shown pornography.
Check. J. V. P., & Guloien, T. H. (1989). The effects of repeated exposure to sexually violent pornography, nonviolent dehumanizing pornography, and erotica. In D. Zillmann & J. Bryan (Eds.), Pornography: Recent research, interpretations, and policy considerations (pp. 159-184). Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum.
Males who were high in hostile masculinity, sexual promiscuity and who used pornography frequently were significantly more likely to have physically and sexually aggressed (7.78) than males who were low in these factors (.4).
Malamuth, N., Addison, T. & Koss, M. (2000). Pornography and sexual aggression: Are there reliable effects and can we understand them? Annual Review of Sex Research, 11, 26-68.
Adolescents exposed to sexually explicit websites (SEWs) were more likely to have multiple lifetime sexual partners, to have had more than one sexual partner in the last 3 months, to have used alcohol or other substances at last sexual encounter, and to have engaged in anal sex. Adolescents who visit SEWs display higher sexual permissiveness scores compared with those who have never been exposed, indicating a more permissive attitude.
Braun-Courville, D. & Rojas, M. (2009). Exposure to sexually explicit web sites and adolescent sexual attitudes and behaviors. Journal of Adolescent Health, 45, 156-162.
Citation Information:
A Love That Doesnโt Last: Pornography Consumption and Weakened Commitment to Oneโs Romantic Partner
Nathaniel M. Lambert, Sesen Negash, Tyler F. Stillman, Spencer B. Olmstead, and Frank D. Fincham
Journal of Social and Clinical Psychology 2012 31:4, 410-438
We examined whether the consumption of pornography affects romantic relationships, with the expectation that higher levels of pornography consumption would correspond to weakened commitment in young adult romantic relationships. Study 1 (n = 367) found that higher pornography consumption was related to lower commitment, and Study 2 (n = 34) replicated this finding using observational data. Study 3 (n = 20) participants were randomly assigned to either refrain from viewing pornography or to a self-control task. Those who continued using pornography reported lower levels of commitment than control participants. In Study 4 (n = 67), participants consuming higher levels of pornography flirted more with an extradyadic partner during an online chat. Study 5 (n = 240) found that pornography consumption was positively related to infidelity and this association was mediated by commitment. Overall, a consistent pattern of results was found using a variety of approaches including cross-sectional (Study 1), observational (Study 2), experimental (Study 3), and behavioral (Studies 4 and 5) data.
Read More:
http://guilfordjournals.com/doi/abs/10.1521/jscp.2012.31.4.410
Does Viewing Explain Doing? Assessing the Association Between Sexually Explicit Materials Use and Sexual Behaviors in a Large Sample of Dutch Adolescents and Young Adults
Gert Martin Hald PhD1,*, Lisette Kuyper PhD2, Philippe C.G. Adam PhD3,4 andJohn B.F. de Wit PhD3,5
Article first published online: 26 APR 2013
DOI: 10.1111/jsm.12157 ยฉ 2013 International Society for Sexual Medicine
Issue The Journal of Sexual Medicine
The Journal of Sexual Medicine
Volume 10, Issue 12, pages 2986โ2995, December 2013
Abstract
Introduction
Concerns have been voiced that the use of sexually explicit materials (SEMs) may adversely affect sexual behaviors, particularly in young people. Previous studies have
generally found significant associations between SEM consumption and the sexual behaviors investigated. However, most of these studies have focused on sexual behaviors related to sexually transmitted infections or sexual aggression and/or failed to adequately control for relevant covariates. Thus, research more thoroughly investigating the association between SEM consumption and a broader range of sexual behaviors is needed.
Aims
The study aims to investigate SEM consumption patterns of young people, and to assess the strength of the association between SEM consumption and a range of sexual behaviors, controlling for a comprehensive array of variables previously shown to affect these relationships.
Methods
Online cross-sectional survey study of 4,600 young people, 15โ25 years of age, in The Netherlands was performed.
Main Outcomes Measures
The main outcome measures were self-reported SEM consumption and sexual practices.
Results
The study found that 88% of men and 45% of women had consumed SEM in the past 12 months. Using hierarchical multiple regression analyses to control for other factors, the association between SEM consumption and a variety of sexual behaviors was found to be significant, accounting for between 0.3% and 4% of the total explained variance in investigated sexual behaviors.
Conclusions
This study suggests that, when controlling for important other factors, SEM consumption influences sexual behaviors. The small to moderate associations that emerged between SEM consumption and sexual behavior after controlling for other variables suggest that SEM is just one factor among many that may influence youth sexual behaviors. These findings contribute novel information to the ongoing debates on the role of SEM consumption in sexual behaviors and risk, and provide appropriate guidance to policy makers and program developers concerned with sexual education and sexual health promotion for young people. Hald GM, Kuyper L, Adam PCG, and de Wit JBF. Does viewing explain doing? Assessing the association between sexually explicit materials use and sexual behaviors in a large sample of Dutch adolescents and young adults. J Sex Med 2013;10:2986โ2995.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/i-can-relate/201403/it-doesn-t-hurt-look-does-it
โThe Result: The people who eliminated or significantly reduced their viewing of pornographic material were significantly more committed to their relationships than those who continued to view the material. These results held true for both men and women.โ
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-lies-trauma/201107/effects-porn-adolescent-boys
Between the ages of 12 and 20, the human brain undergoes a period of great neuroplasticity. The brain is in a malleable phase during which billions of new synaptic connections are made. This leaves us vulnerable to the influence of our surroundings and leads our brains to be โwiredโ around the experiences and information that we receive during that time period.
When an adolescent boy compulsively views pornography, his brain chemistry can become shaped around the attitudes and situations that he is watching. Sadly, pornography paints an unrealistic picture of sexuality and relationships that can create an expectation for real-life experiences that will never be fulfilled.
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/the-sorry-lives-and-confusing-times-of-today-s-young-men/?all=1
Something, it seems, is sucking the life out of guys quite literally. One-third of male college students say theyโve experienced erectile dysfunction. Leonard Sax, a family physician for nearly 20 years who authored the book Boys Adrift, saw more and more of them in his Maryland office, asking for Viagra and Cialis. Constant access to porn has desensitized them; they canโt get it up with live girls. โWeโre seeing the replacement of penile sex with oral sex,โ says Sax, โwith the girl on her knees, servicing the boy. Boys and girls both end up losers.โ One in five men ages 18 to 25 are now classified as โsub-fertileโ because of low sperm count and quality, both of which have been dropping in the developed world for the past 50 years. Curiously, 50 years ago, around 64 percent of all college students were male.
You shouldn't be downvoted so much, but you're only half right. Alcohol definitely makes people more likely to break the law. Adult porn has little to do with pedophilia though.
Thank you, for your comment. yes, I find everytime I make bold statements based on my personal research I get down voted or even banned on making comments.
People are highly unaware of how addictive substances are and there actual affect on the brain.
People do not want to hear the truth and we are losing freedoms because if it.
About porn: are all these downvotes aware of the shear amount of child porn available? No.
Are these foenvotees aware that combining all these drugs and alcohol with using child pornograpgy plus regular porn which glorified very young looking women - do they really think all that imagery does not create some kind of mind bend that lowers the participants boundaries and inhibitions?
I am not saying this is the specific reason this 12 year old was raped, but wake up people, blurred lines everywhere including out "PG" Media streaming into our homes.
This victim may have just been the closest available oriface for this man.
Thank you for the downvotes! Shows me how awake and aware I am.
Kovaelin ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess also like reliving their own traumatic experiences through the child but I also think it's sometimes not necessary to analyse the situation beyond that
Definitely not justified, just not sure how many people really understand the dynamics at work these days, they're more into making judgements on the commenter than the truth within the comment.
The issue is that the motivation of pedophiles are already known
If alcoholism is it then like how do we stop it from getting in their hands? We cant.. So how do we keep it out of everyone's hands? The prohibition is evidence of what happens like whenever we try that solution
Fine then stop them from looking at suggestive or erotic content? Also totally impossible
Okay then like just stop their parents/priests/trusted elders from molesting them?
Everything about them is circular and analysis like really serves no purpose beyond wasting resources
snp3rk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I'm for prohibition, I really am not. But I think once weed is legalized federally, we would have more success with another prohibition.
You can't believe that someone is defending a male rapist and making the woman seem like the problem? Really? You can't believe that?
TLema ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:34:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it but I wish I didn't
Unilythe ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:12:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, I am 100% with you guys that using a knife (or anything, really) to defend your daughter from rape is completely an appropriate reaction, but eh... He wasn't defending the rapist, at all. Don't put words in his mouth.
Edit: Lmao, being downvoted for stating an undeniable truth. Sad people in here.
xinxy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:37:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think even if he ends up dying it won't be called murder. Manslaughter most likely? I am no lawyer though so I'm talking outta my ass.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:31:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be self defense. Despite the name, 'self defence' actually includes acting in defence of other people.
You can use lethal force in defending another human being if that second person is facing (or is about to face) severe or lethal harm, and/or and permanent bodily harm.
Exactly why I'm kinda iffy about people succumbing to the obvious urge to murder a rapist. Especially a child rapist, because the treatment they get in prison is way worse than just dying.
Okay then. Sympathize with the rapist. That's your choice to make.
jaybusch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not wishing death on him doesn't mean you condone his actions.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:53:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Unilythe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically how I feel yeah. He doesn't need to die for what he did, but if he had died or if the mother had needed to kill him in order to get him to stop, I wouldn't shed a single tear for the fucking childraping asshole.
I actually think that's a really important lesson to learn.
Unilythe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people here don't seem to realize that and immediately emotionally seem to jump to conclusions here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nannuq ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:00:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would not be murder, homicide yes, but not murder. Here in the United States you are allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself or another when they are being attacked.
Homicide is not necessarily murder. It just means someone died unnaturally. When you illegally come into my house you have decided to forfeit your life. When you physically assault my loved ones, especially one as helpless as a minor you have decided to forfeit your life. The decision to be attacked by this women and possibly ending his life was his alone not her's.
This is the attitude all criminals need to understand. There are consequences for their actions and those actions are the sole decision of the Criminal. The victim has the right to live and the right to property the criminal never has a right to violate either one. However, the victim has the right to defend both.
TacoOrgy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:34:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found another pedo apologist
b5sac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he had died it'd be manslaughter, not murder.
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guessing you have no children.
rugtoad ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:28:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with putting down a child rapist. Especially when the victim is your child.
DrMobius0 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:08:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manslaughter. Murder requires premediation. Also dude lived. Not to mention cases like this are often dropped because of being in defense of self or another
jaybusch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't premeditation just first degree? I thought the distinction was always intentional (whether premeditated or not) unjustified killing was murder and unintentional killing was manslaughter. Like hitting someone with your car because they were in the middle of the road could be manslaughter but if you intentionally hit someone because you saw them, it's murder. Don't honestly know, not a lawyer.
DrMobius0 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:25:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
involuntary manslaughter would be unintentional. Manslaughter would be intentional. Think spur of the moment intent to kill. Second degree is with malice aforethought, first degree is premeditation. (just looked up the distinction between 1st and 2nd)
The distinction between voluntary manslaughter and 2nd degree is a bit nebulous, but voluntary manslaughter seems to generally be considered circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become mentally or emotionally disturbed. Finding your boyfriend naked on top of your daughter would almost certainly fall under voluntary manslaughter
Edit: also I'll take voluntary mans laughter for 400, alex
elbenji ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She cracked when protecting her daughter
Amogh24 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:19:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't murder, that was collective defence. She's legally and morally innocent.
I can't believe people are downvoting you for advocating against murder. Reddit is so fucked up with lynch mob vigilante justice, it's honestly sickening how violent these people are without even realizing it.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:35:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was in the act of raping her daughter. She had to use violence to stop him. That violence could have killed him, but it didn't. Should she have done nothing?
You say while defending a pedophile? I'm legitimately asking what you'd do in that situation. You're going to pretend like you'd be in a healthy state of mind?
Cut the "defending a pedophile" shit, you dumb fuck. Anyone with half a brain can tell that "not stabbing people" != "pedophilia is awesome". I can't tell if you're incredibly stupid or if you just think everyone else is.
No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;ย
It tolls for thee.
-John Donne
Fighting evil is innately good, but that doesn't mean cheering for someone's death ever makes you not a monster. If he died I'd be glad for his mitigated capacity for harm, but not for his death. Empathy is not sympathy and correctness is not tribalist; they're wrong to have downvoted you.
How was he stabbed in the chest if he was on top of the daughter? HMMMMMMMM!!!! Hold on, I need to go grab my beige trenchcoat...
lokistar09 ยท 1705 points ยท Posted at 15:28:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not like she had a knife on hand. Caught him. He probably got up and was honey I can explain and she was don't nobody got time for that... And probably got the knife in that time.
He can't explain. No amount of explanation could have changed the outcome.
RMCPhoto ยท 1032 points ยท Posted at 15:51:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I just got out of the shower and noticed that she wasn't breathing! I immediately sprung into action and started giving her CP---Aaaargghhh why are you stabbing me?"
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, giving her CPR upon getting out of the shower and noticing she wasn't breathing."
What a rollercoaster.
lurker69 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:31:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit would keep the original title to draw more people, but nobody would actually read the article.
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, giving her CPR upon noticing she wasn't breathing after doing a line of cocaine with her as a way to restart her heart after she entered cardiac arrest due to the shock of being sexually assaulted."
Nitro_R ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your wording is vague. You got out of the shower and walked around naked in the house knowing a child lives there. Let's say at minimum you tied a towel around yourself, but usually people head to their bedroom to get dressed and not wander around. So unless she collapsed in the path between the bathroom and the bedroom, then it sounds suspicious.
Then you say, "sprung into action and started giving her". Stabbing would have commenced even before the sentence goes any further.
Fubarp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a nudist family.
do_0b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you give some Cyberpunk to someone if they aren't breathing?
Hahonryuu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...CPR, then i thought 'meh' while im here, may as well have some fun."
"So then i decided after she got better i'd take her to the amusement park"
zoicyte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....with my penis!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CP! Case closed. Wonder what they'll find in the basement or his residence.
Naa2078 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My coaches at Penn State taught me you have to be naked for CPR!
"Honey, I know this looks bad, but I tripped and my penis fell inside of her, I swear. This happens to Saudi princes all the time and it happened again but this time it happened to me... what are you doing with that knife?"
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:48:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"She's a little slut and came onto me first!!" Because that's valid
There's that millionaire that got off by saying that he had just finished masturbating (to explain why semen was found) and was still erect, then tripped onto the 17 year old girl sleeping on his couch.
I wish I could know what happens to him. I wouldn't go so far as to wish something bad upon him, but if he were to suffer some kind of tragedy, I'd definitely like to know.
Your link actually says the girl was 18 and that his excuse for having semen and an erect penis is that he'd just sex with the teenagerโs 24-year-old friend, not that he'd been masturbating. But oh my God, that is absolutely outrageous!
Yeah, you captured the essence of the story. It's still so absurd that if some TV show tried this plot line you'd think it had jumped the shark, but this is the world we live in.
You're in the park and you hear a little girl screaming "help me daddy, please help" and you find a guy tearing the clothes off the little girl. Do you shoot the guy to help the girl, or no?
Maybe he was taking a shower and heard her screaming; he lept out of the shower, wrapped a towel around his waist and ran to her aid. He may have ran in her room, slipped on a barbie corvette, banged his head on the wall mounted tv, the towel dropped as he fell on the bed. Just then, mom walks in knife in hand (she heard the scream too), poor man is a pincushion.
EDIT: i like my scene better than the rapey one.
EDIT2: why was she screaming? maybe mom surprised her with purple drapes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I know what this looks like, but listen, okay? She got locked in our antique freezer and couldn't get out. When I found her she was blue, but breathing. I heard somewhere that skin to skin contact... I think it was survivorman or.. what's the one with the barefoot guy?" stab stab stab stab stab... stab
Thor1noak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he was a reptilian.
Kantas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh he can explain...
"Honey don't stab me I can explain!"
pauses with knife
"Ok, thanks for letting me explain... I'm a scum bag... please continue"
"The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says."
ziris_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:16:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An entire Army from Switzerland? How did the naked scum-of-the-earth get to her if there was already an entire Army from Switzerland on her?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ziris_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Size has nothing to do with it. An entire Army can be quite formidable, even if small in stature. For example, an entire Army of ants is nothing at which to scoff. They may be small, but can pack quite a wallop.
So she just carries the Swiss army on her all the time?
Edit: this was meant to be a facetious joke on the parent comment's word usage (saying 'a small Swiss army', rather than something like, 'a Swiss Army knife'). Nonetheless, thanks for the input.
shhalahr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:19:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of a pocket knife is to provide quick and easy utility for whatever comes up during the day. It defeats the purpose of you don't carry it on a regular basis.
I keep a karambit pinned to my bra so I can grab it, open it and cut someone with one motion. I use a karambit because it's super easy to grab and open at the same time. I also carry a few sewing pins there too for less extreme moments/if I need to pin my hair up (sewing pins are great for holding buns btw)
That's why they call it a pocket knife. I don't need one with my lifestyle, but my dad and sister (to show that this isn't a gender-specific thing) grab their pocket knife in the morning just as automatically as they grab their wallet, and use it at least a few times a week (on practical tasks, not people).
kaynpayn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could. Have a friend who carries 3 sharp shuriken in a tiny purse laced to his belt at all times, you can't I even see them most of the time. ASwiss knife is far more common though.
Shurikens have got to be some of the least useful bladed objects. I mean... I think a halberd is probably more practical.
kaynpayn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? It's hilarious to see him try to cut something without cutting himself because shurikens have no hands protection lol. But its edgy and looks cool and that's all it really matters, right? /s
I like your reconstruction of the incident. I'm imagining his attempts to explain - "Honey. . . I was just coming out the shower. . . I slipped. . . and landed on your twelve year old daughter. . . total accident . . . ha ha ha . . . Wait, why are you picking up that knife. . ?"
I hope that's not the case. It could turn it from a very legal "defense of others" action into ADW or attempted murder, and it would really suck if the mother gets more legal problems than the asshole here.
I hope she gets a good lawyer instead of relying on the prosecution being decent people who can look at a situation as a whole.
ooof...that might not play out well in court for her. Wasn't defending shit at that point. Maybe still justifiable in a jury's eyes. I mean the guy definitely deserves it...but the law might not be on her side if the guy wasn't actively humping.
I dunno, I would be surprised if she served time. But I guess that depends on whereabouts she lives and what the local courts are like. Sadly, the colour of her skin may be a factor too.
"Is it reasonable to stab someone to prevent a sexual offence?" is the question you should be asking?
Edit: just to be clear, this is one of the tests for self-defence. You may well think the guy deserved to get stabbed to death but a genuinely reasonable answer to this question would be the line between acquittal and conviction on a murder charge.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After the creep is dead seems like a safe bet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the threat is no longer active in between the time he stops his action and she goes and gets a knife, This is a sticky situation. Vengeful killing will never be justified. Shooting someone in the back running away after they just beat your daughter to death is still no justification in the eyes of the law one life is not more valuable than another. However if they're in the process of beating your daughter to death and you intervene you are justified to protect them. Not defending him or the actions at all just how the law sees it
Well she threw him out of the house after fighting with him, he kicked down the front door and then she stabbed him. Self defense will be easy to prove.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One would think so when the child is likely to back her mothers as an seye witness. However in most cases you would need to prove that him kicking in the front door was in an attempt to case harm to the person inside for that to be relevant. He has just as much right to being inside of the domicile as her especially if they are both on the lease. It is not the mothers place to remove someone from the household that is the duty of the police. However I will give you some merit that it does not look good if he was stabbed then left the scene and came back to kick in the door. That's pretty damning I will agree.
Did you read the article? She has cuts all over her and marks on her throat. The daughter already did tell police he raped her. Pretty simple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't prove self defense though is what i'm saying. She could still be in the wrong if she stabbed him and he wasn't an immediate threat at the time, such as he just finished raping her for example and then she stabbed him as he was leaving he has a stab wound on the back of his head. Then they scuffle after he is stabbed causing the marks on her as they wrestle over a knife she is actively stabbing him with. He then leaves and comes back to kick in the door. Which part of this is simple ? You wouldn't need a post graduate degree to practice it, if it was as simple as you're claiming it is. She can be charged with domestic violence/Mutual Combat and assault with a deadly weapon if this is the case. Likely not being convicted but it could still happen and be a justified claim depending on the situation. He was the initial aggressor however she escalated the situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well.. That's one outlook. I would recommend calling the cops much sooner rather than after the stabbing she would be able to be a much more valid witness rather than this, becoming a he said she said where someone got stabbed.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:34:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a problem, legally. If he had stopped the assault it may hard to argue that the stabbing was not retributive as opposed to defense of another. Same reason police aren't supposed to shoot folks in the back. She could argue it's justifiable if it was ongoing, though.
Depends, did he come at her in a threatening manner? A reasonable person could assume that a child rapist caught in the act who is approaching you presents a threat to life.
What she says in the investigation is going to be really important to her future. I hope this doesn't turn on her and bite her.
I understand the reasons for letter of the law but there are times where circumstances should be considered as well.
I've carried a knife in my pocket nearly every single day for the past 18 years. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she had it on her, but if you find someone on top of your daughter, I'd bet the first instinct is to try and pull them off of her......then the stabbing instinct kicks in.
Apparently she had a small pocket knife on her for whatever reason. After the back of the head stab he turned around is my guess. Only problem with this is the knife wasn't big enough imo
The article has a nice story, the guy even kicked down the front door apparently, but she went out side screaming someone tried to touch her daughter so its a pretty confusing story.
Im guessing that was where the stab to the back of the head came in. I know if I was stabbed in the back of the head my first response would probably be to stop raping and turn around
No trench coat needed, I am pretty sure that even to a child rapist, getting stabbed is the international signal for stop, turn around and see who is stabbing you.
She probably stabbed him in the head first then he got up and faced her and she proceeded to stab him in the chest.
Kylynara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe she had the pocket knife with her, stabbed him in the back of the head, then he got off the girl to fight her and got stabbed 5 times in the chest. At least that seems the most logical from reading the article.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says in the article; they both struggled for the knife after fighting, and she ended up pushing him outside the house and then stabbing him. The link to the article is right there and the story isn't even that long.
"[He] was stabbed five times in his chest and once in the back of his head". Simple- he was on top of the daughter, mother stabs him in the back of his head, he turns around.
Did you read the article? Said the daughter gave a different account to police. She said he put his hand up her shirt and down her pants and took his clothes off. Even if he wasn't actually on top of her Moms reaction is still pretty justified.
AliBurney ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:38:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first thing I thought of was the liveleak video where the dude gets stabbed in jail repeatedly. it's weird, if there's no context, you'd be like, damn, that's fucked up. But like if it were this here rapist boy, we'd all probably be like yeah! fucking stab him more, there, in the face, in his eye!! bitch. I dunno, maybe that's just me, I get pissed reading news sometimes. where's my zoloft?
ProfWhite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She already stabbed him five times. She was already going to have to answer a few questions. I mean...
Why not take the opportunity to stab him in the dick, too? I'm sure adrenaline took over and she was probably on autopilot, and it's hard for me to say where adrenaline would take me if it were my kid - but I'm pretty sure I'd have stabbed the guy in the dick.
capron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In a fit of rage, (she) grabbed her pocket knife and attacked him," the report says.
Holy shit, that's not rage, that's something way passed that, if she had the presence of mind to pull out a knife, then unfold it, and then stab him. I mean, good for her if the guy is molesting the daughter, but holy shit stay out of her way she's an angel of vengeance.
What's weird, or maybe it's not weird, is that as she was headed to bed, she had a lockable blade pocketknife on her. Not some damn Swiss Army knife that would have cut her fingers off on the first attempted plunge into his head, but a real and lockable blade.
How is that weird? I carry a pocket knife all the time. I have for years. At this point it feels stranger if my knife isn't in my pocket. I've headed to bed with it still in my pocket a million times. And I'm a woman also. If that matters to you. Some people have seemed stunned that a woman would carry a pocket knife.
Edit: Also, mine's a lockable blade as well. Its a Kershaw with a tanto point and the bottom has a serated edge so it's versatile. Yes, I love my knife. Its got me out of a jam on numerous occasions.
It is pretty strange for a 12 year old girl to be carrying a pocket knife in her own home, but I guess considering the boyfriend was a pedophile rapist it probably isn't all that strange.
See, now, that actually makes a lot more sense. I read that he was stabbed in the chest and that he was on top, so I assumed the girl did the stabbing.
I know. The guilder has made an egregious error in judgment. I am not worthy of this. I feel like that ugly stripper that someone tips as a joke and she keeps getting money because guys are buying dances for their buddies from her and laughing about it.
cbow120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least 3
Tesrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
30 at minimum. Judas was paid 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus and a knife usually has a finish akin to that of silver. He then goes on to betray the mothers trust by molesting her daughter.
My point is thirty stabs is justified anything beyond that is just giving them a tip.
Wyliecody ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a solid plan.
Mex-Box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just and accident? I mean, it is already there.
matts2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect after your trip through the woodchipper you won't be able to argue anything.
wildo83 ยท 265 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However given sufficient evidence this would be a justifiable homicideโฆ There was a case a while back I just watched a short documentary on about a guy whose son was repeatedly raped by a karate instructor and he shot the dude in the head and the jury let him walk because it was "justifiable homicide"
There was a case of a farmer in Texas who caught one of his farm hands trying to rape his daughter. He beat the guy to death with his bare hands and ended up being acquitted of the charges.
Indricus ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:12:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly the issue is that 99.99% of the populace don't happen to have a woodchipper handy, so you'd have to go rent one first, and that cuts a bit into the 'crime of passion'/justifiable homicide defense. If you have a gun and use it, sure, but if you have to go buy a gun and sit through a waiting period/background check, you really ought to have just called the cops on the dude. And yes, it's okay to call the cops on someone better off dead, but make sure neither you nor your kids are home when they show up. Situation can be volatile enough without that.
If I remember that story correctly, the karate instructor went on the run for a while. When the cops finally found him they flew him back home. As the cops were escorting him through the airport, with news cameras filming, dad turns around from a payphone put a revolver to his head and blows his brains out in front of everyone. Only one bullet was fired, the cops didn't even tackle him because they immediately knew it was dad getting revenge for his son. Was 100% premeditated, but justified in my eyes and the courts.
Thanks for the link, that story has been burned into my brain since I saw it.
Ebmoclas ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:14:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh. That guy wasn't just raping that poor kid, iirc he also kidnapped him. Horrible situation for the whole family. I'm normally against the death penalty, but I can't muster up one once of pity for that piece of shit. He got everything he deserved.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:22:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it the guy who pretended to be on a pay phone and then shot the dude while he was being taken by police?
wildo83 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also heard something similar: Woman walks in on a man (not sure of the relationship and details) watching porn with her toddler daughter. The woman calmly called her daughter over, removed her from the situation, got a gun and went back to shoot the guy dead.
Um.... Now I don't like the fact that porn is being played while a toddler is in the room.... But to shoot the guy for that? That's murder. Unacceptable. Now if the toddler was naked and being molested okay but some boobs on the tube? That woman better be in jail that's unacceptable use of force in that situation.
That's a matter for the judge and jury to decide, not the parent. Unless they're actively being molested, all you know is porn is playing in the same room. It could be a movie scene for God's sake. If you're okay with executing someone based off one sentence, I sure hope you don't ever hold a position of power.
wildo83 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really purged the shit out of this planet buuurp Morty.
Cyanized7 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I remember about that was that they lived in a small town where almost everyone was like family. Almost everyone sympathized with the father, so when the jury reached a verdict they chose not guilty.
you forgot - on live television, in front of the police, at an airport
wildo83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bold move, Cotton.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the implication that if you had a guy at the point where you could feed him to a woodchipper he was already subdued or dead, if dead you could now be seen as trying to cover up your homicide. If subdued, while I can't blame a parent for their actions after walking in to that situation, if the perpetrator is subdued, I don't think it's completely okay to go on to murder them by feeding them to a woodchipper.
nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'd have let him go were I on that jury.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading about that one and being so happy that the jury did the right thing! And yet, lots of people were saying it set a precedent for vigilante justice. My response to that is if the vigilantes are going after child molesters, maybe we need vigilantes.
The only justifiable homicide is in self defense or defense of another from imminent harm. Certain states presume imminent harm if someone has broken into your house, but other than that it's pretty clear cut.
Baerren ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:44:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly not, there is a definite leniency for crimes of that nature. I guess the more refined argument for it is that given the extreme circumstances the murderer wasn't in a position to properly control and process their actions which is something a lot of the jury members would sympathize with and take into consideration
Leniency, sure. Not acquittal. He was probably guilty of premeditated murder. You're right they could argue temporary insanity, paternal instincts are inherent in all males, but even still he shouldn't have skated. Anyone who is unable to control their temper to the point that they drive to a person and shoot them in the head definitely needs some rehabilitation.
Edit: so I guess the people downvoting me don't believe in a fair trial? Let's just start a mob and hang some people?
Just like we did to that poor man after the Boston Bombing! Isn't vigilantism great?
ProfWhite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you're saying the repeated rape of a child isn't imminent harm?
No no no. This was justifiable, because he was raping her. In the karate example, the best solution would be to not take your kid to that karate studio anymore and call the police.
Vigilantism is illegal, and it's illegal for a good reason. Everyone deserves a fair trial, or else we'd be burning witches.
Edit: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Reddit supports witch hunts.
This is exactly why juries don't work.
I'm not saying I can come up with a better system.
But juries are made up of people with real human emotions who haven't been trained to ignore them and follow a set of cold hard laws.
This is perfectly fine, sometimes the legal system needs a heart. And no one can fault any jury for being swayed by their emotions when it comes to child molestation.
But that doesn't change the fact murder is murder and you can't simple change the fact because the guy who got murdered was a shit. Otherwise we'd all be free to murder whomever we liked.
Justifiable homicide or self defence is perfectly valid if you find a situation, react, and someone is killed accidentally.
Like defending yourself with a baseball bat and that one swing was just well aimed.
Its not justifiable if you knock them unconscious with that swing. The carry on going til their dead.
I can completely understand the reaction to behave that way. I honestly can't say I'd be any different if it was my kid.
But that doesn't negate the fact you committed homicide. Especially if the homicide came after the guy was already subdued and able to be arrested.
But yeah. Totally not surprised the general view of people is its perfectly fine to go around murdering people who have done something they feel means they deserve it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The exact same problem is at work in both cases. It just in this case instead of an innocent person being locked up someone who was not inherently a bad person was given leniency.
But fundamentally in both cases the jury was lead by preconception, emotions and prejudice.
Not the evidence presented and the law, which is what they are supposed to do.
Again, I can't blame juries for this, it's incredibly hard to seperate yourself from how a case makes you feel. But that's the problem with asking 12 rando's of varying degree's of culture/intelligence/social standing/education etc to make a decision over something that complex.
You make good points. I like to focus on the part of "jury of your peers". Your peers are those around you and are a representation of the values of the area you live in. You state the law must be absolute. I tend to think very few things are absolute. A jury of peers of a man that murdered with premeditation finds him not guilty and lets him off. Well IMO justice was served by the standards we have set. They have to live with the man being let off and I think the majority is ok with that. If they had not been ok with him walking free, they could've easily locked him up.
I think the peers part is very important because they are able to take circumstances into consideration, whereas a absolute system cannot.
Like I said, I'm not sure there's a better system.
Life isn't black and white, and neither are most people's actions.
I suppose an improvement may be to not allow the juries say to be final? It can have a heavy weight to it to be taken into maximum consideration when sentencing. Or have the legal system define the guilt in certain circumstances.
Like in this case, the woman had clearly killed the guy. There is no question of whether or not she did it. So by the law the verdict is guilty.
The Judge could instead present a 'level of guilt' options for them to decide on based on evidence?
For my jury service when it became apparent we could not decide between guilty or not guilty on a murder charge we were informed we could advise not guilty of murder BUT guilty of manslaughter. It allowed a third option where the letter of law was 'a person has died and this person did it' but accounted for the human element of context 'it was not premeditated or deliberate and should not carry as harsh a sentence'
I don't think simply the jury having to live with what they decide is enough. I walked away from my jury service and didn't look back, i did my service, the outcome had no bearing on my life whatsoever. It should also be noted juries can contain some of the most lackadaisical individuals ever. One on mine slept through most of the trial, another was only 18 and to nervous in a room full of adults to voice his opinion and just went with the majority, and I personally swayed the opinions of the 4 jurors with my arguments leading to a completely different outcome at the end of the day to where we started (i mean that's sort of the point of a jury but it does demonstrate how easily people can change their minds)
It was also interesting to note I did my service at the old Bailey in London - 14 odd miles from my home in a fairly nice neighbourhood for the trial of two boys 14 odd miles in the other direction in one of the poorest parts of the city. The difference in our lives is massive - a jury of their peers could not have been further from the truth.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I certainly can. If you don't believe in the system, change it. The answer is not to start killing people based on accusations.
Ebmoclas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc the instructor had kidnapped the boy and was found with him only after he had raped him more than once. I don't think it was as ambivalent as an allegation when the father shot him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to reddit mob mentality.
It can teach you a lot about people and how quick they are to make decisions based on fleeting emotions
I referenced this same video as well a few weeks ago it's a pretty good case on it and i kinda enjoyed that the father said he would do it again for his son don't get me wrong murders awful and it's not the murder I enjoyed it was that the man was selfless enough to be ready to sacrifice himself to get vengeance for his son.
With that being said it's obviously not a good idea to murder anyone with a "justifiable homicide" outlook it most likely will not end well for whomever does it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sacrifice himself for his son's vengeance?
Yes, I'm so sure his son enjoys being semi famous after this incident and not having his father around any more
His father didn't go to jail or get any repercussions and yes his father was willing to throw away his life for his son. They did an interview with his father and the son at they're house.
That is such bollocks, rape does not justify murder. Also, if they'd been better parents, their son would have told them about the pervert karate instructor before he raped their son repeatedly.
Anyone who shoots a man straight in the head in cold blood is a ****ing psycho.
Your comment makes me sick. As if parenting has anything to do with whether a child tells them about repeated sexual abuse. Read up on "grooming" and the psychological effects of sexual assault on children.
I'm not commenting on the murder. There's no point.
Go to the wiki article about the dad who killed the rapist. Go to the references. Click the 3rd link, it is an ESPN story about the incident/son. In it the son explains that he couldn't tell his Dad because he had heard his dad say "if anyone ever touched my son I will kill him" multiple times. The son, Jody, said that he knew he couldn't tell anyone because his Dad said he would (theoretically at the time) kill the perv.
So in this instance you are just plain wrong. Now the larger context of these saddening cases, I'm sure you are somewhat right. But to act as if the parents words and actions preceding the event mean nothing is very wrong (the parents strong religious beliefs, them being close friends with the abuser, them having violent behavior, etc.)
I'm not sure how I was wrong. My comment was that a child not telling their parents about sexual abuse =/= poor parenting. I didn't comment on other reasons a child could feel unable to tell their parents, only on the behavior of a pedophile convincing a child to keep the secret.
I appreciate the insight into this case that you've given, as I wasn't able to read as extensively. I agree with your point that parents' words and actions have many effects on a child. In this case, the boy was scared by both men. He was raped repeatedly, and then kidnapped! There isn't just one reason this child was unable to tell someone. Life isn't that simple.
If I were a jury member and she said she tortured him for days until he died I would still find her not guilty.
Indricus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not as certain as you. I would certainly want some professionals to evaluate her mental health after something like that. It's not about whether the punishment is justifiable, it's about a person having the capability to deliver it that is worrisome.
Ghaarial ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty obvious you've never experienced anything of the sort. And I hope you never do.
Indricus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:33:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why people with obvious biases or otherwise incapable of impartiality aren't supposed to act as judge or jury. Of course, we don't actually have a justice system, so you'll be just fine serving on a jury despite your clear inability to even consider the possibility of someone being guilty and a danger to themselves or others.
Ghaarial ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why people with obvious biases or otherwise incapable of impartiality aren't supposed to act as judge or jury.
No one is suggesting otherwise.
Of course, we don't actually have a justice system, so you'll be just fine serving on a jury despite your clear inability to even consider the possibility of someone being guilty and a danger to themselves or others.
Slow your projection. I never said a damn thing about any of that and you have zero ability to determine whether or not I'm actually living in an area/situation where this is at all relevant.
You cannot possibly understand the state of mind of a person who has either been directly victimized or traumatized through the victimization of a loved one when it comes to sexual violence.
Suggesting that someone being capable of torturing/killing a person who inflicted one of the worst traumas imaginable on them should require "a mental health evaluation" is both supremely dickish and also highly indicative of your lack of ability to empathize.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:57:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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julbull73 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the summons is semi random.
However, that attitude will get you on a jury. Both sides get to "protect" certain jurors and dismiss jurors.
Also you would change your mind very quick once you see specifics and likewise repercussions.
simkatu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. That's not how it works. First they go through the jury pool and eliminate anyone who cannot be impartial. That's called a challenge for cause. If either or both attorneys believe a jury cannot be impartial they ask the judge to remove them from the panel. Once they have a certain number (36 is a common number for serious crimes) then each attorney gets 12 peremptory challenges which means they can remove 12 jurors from the 36 for any reason. Typically they alternate back and forth in case both attorneys want to dismiss the same person from the pool.
In no situation is someone going to be allowed to serve after stating that he intends to convict or exonerate the witness no matter what the evidence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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julbull73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be interested in the details. Would also be a great karma grab if you did an ama.
Also doesn't that conviction remove you from the pool permanently?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Indricus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you're not going to get an easy conviction or heavy sentencing, but prosecutors are always going to look a lot closer at premeditated acts, and will bring charges even if they are uncertain that is even possible to get a conviction because, because we need to have some semblance of rule of law.
Do we? It's seems that a lot of Americans in this day and age are willing to interpret just about anything on an emotional level and ignore the need for blind justice.
Sounds nice ya. Uff da, lots of snow these days. A man at the bar said he gets crazy down by the lake,
he got so crazy he jumped into the wood chipper.
Crimes of passion are a thing. It happens a lot actually where someone knowingly commits murder and gets away with it simply because the situation they were in was so terrible it's hard to imagine any not committing the murder. Like that guy that got killed while raping a baby or battered housewives who snap and murder their husbands or this lady who shanked her bf 6 times.
Cautemoc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:37:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, getting rid of the defense that it was a temporary mental break and instead being tried for murder would totally be a good idea.
wildo83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be ruled as "justifiable homicide." There was a short documentary I watched a while back about a karate instructor that repeatedly raped a guy's son, so the dad shot the instructor in the head. He walked with "justifiable homicide." I'll see if I can find it.
Cautemoc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm at work so I'm not gonna watch that now, but I'll definitely take a look. "Justifiable homicide" sounds awfully close to encouraging vigilante justice unless the instructor was making threats of some kind.
From what I understand about how prisoners think of child rapists brought in, he will most likely have one of those wounds reopened to be proper fucked, and not by a 12 year old.
Yeah, but he's also on top of her daughter. Sure, he should die, but in prison, after the other inmates find out what he did. The daughter had been through enough, no?
Obviously the woman wasn't a professional. Not polite or efficient at all.
OnlyRoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if that's a good thing considering she would stab a man to death that is on top of her small daughter.. I'm more worried about the daughter's sanity here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:34:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we really condoning murdering a man for being a pedofile? He needs help to inhibit any future sexual advances on children. Not murder.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:16:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aah, so being judge jury and executioner is perfectly fine?
I see.
Tiapaa ยท 1759 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland
Mhm, okay, so it's not related to Florida Man.
woman
Interesting... wonder what she did.
repeatedly
Repeatedly what, I wonder? Onto the next word.
stabs
What? Don't tell me she stabbed another human being.
boyfriend
Dear god! She should be jailed! What a monster.
after
I don't know for sure if there was a direct causality involved yet, but it happened after some other event.
finding
Damn, this is thrilling. I wonder what this murderous woman found. Something offensive I bet.
him
Uh oh. What did the boyfriend do?
naked
He must have been doing something really wrong for her to be stabbing him.
on
This preposition doesn't give me any interesting information. Onto the next word.
top
Was he on a roof? Her car? The possibilities are endless.
of
Mount Everest? Her face?
12-year-old
Nooooooooo. He deserved everything. But what was their relationship?
daughter,
I retract my previous statement. The man is clearly the one who is the monster. But what's the source for this claim?
reports
Fair enough, but how was this information transmitted to the public? Was it verbalized or put forth through interpretive dance?
A Cleveland man faces felony charges after his girlfriend found him sexually assaulting her 12-year-old daughter and stabbed him several times... records say.
Troy Parks, 31, is charged with rape and gross sexual imposition....
The mother of the victim has not been charged with any crimes.
Asraia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the child rapists. At worst, they're probably indifferent to it. I wonder if the child rapists all stick together? Like there's the whites gang, blacks gang, latino gang, then the child rapists gang.
And do all the other gangs overcome their racial bias to come together and beat their asses?
KyleG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also sue her for permanent disfigurement
this is why you make sure the person you're stabbing dies - unless his immediate family is an eyewitness (and thus have a claim for intentional infliction of emotional distress, they can't sue you for it I don't think
I AM NOT YOUR LAWYER. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
meshan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:48:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm all for prisons being used for the rehabilitation of criminals. We need to create citizens of these people. To allow them to integrate and be useful members of society. Then we have child rapists and I'm all for prison justice and anal rape.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cbelaski ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, no. I can at least see times when murder is justified. I see no time when rape would ever be justified.
But we have evidence of what happens after someone is raped. And we know it's not good. I don't think anything fits the phrase "a fate worse than death" more than rape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in this example, the murder victim isn't the person you're saying is suffering more. All you're arguing with this is that murdering someone's child is worse than raping them, and I can't say I disagree.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing it again. I'm not the victim there, "my daughter" is. I think rape is a worse thing to do to an individual, but killing a loved one is worse than raping them. But in a two-person, victim-and-perpetrator scenario, I would rather not live than have to live with the trauma of surviving a rape.
I believe this is a common misconception. They're usually removed from the general population as the prisons know they pose a danger to themselves by just existing. They're usually moved into their own pens with all the other scum who commit such atrocities.
gigajesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will she do time as well for attacking him or could you just say she was defending her daughter?
I remember another article a couple years back about a guy who beat his a rapist o death with his bare hands after finding him with his daughter receiving no jail time.
gigajesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean trust me I get the sentiment. I would do the same. But I feel like some judges would decide that its up to the police and the judicial system to do that and some would say it's fine because you're defending someone from bodily harm? IANAL so who knows.
Gazinka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, they don't mix sex offenders and general offenders/murderers anymore.
"Too many rape/murders of inmates." - Some official somewhere who prob. Had a real nasty case to deal with after pedo-genpop went horribly right.
sevsnapey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me think of a 20yo Australian who had sex with his 12yo foster sister who was later found dead I believe at the hands of her foster father. The news article mentioned he'd been in solitary for his protection after being bashed. Nice work, prison fellas.
edit: The foster daughter was murdered by her foster father. After the foster brother Trent had sex with her he admitted it to his mother as he feared she might be pregnant and the family had a meeting where they agreed to protect their son. The father said to "protect Trent" and that "she will go missing from school one day." She was apparently murdered a few hours later and he told them "she's no longer with us." Shitty stuff.
LifeWin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
read this as the 12yo foster sister was found dead.
not a happy ending
Jackson17 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think she is dead
sevsnapey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, yeah.. she is. She was found dead in a river 6 days after being reported missing. She didn't deserve to be murdered but they could have at least saved her from decomposing in the damn river.
ProfWhite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a difficult time understanding this comment. Specifically:
The foster sister is the one that died, correct?
The foster father is the one that killed her, and the foster brother is the one that had sex with her?
Or is it that the foster father killed the foster brother? Though that doesn't make sense, as how would the foster brother end up "in solitary for his protection after being bashed" if he were dead?
It occurred to me that maybe the confusion is over "12yo foster sister" - should that be "12yo foster daughter"? But replacing that word in the sentence makes it sound equally as confusing:
20yo Australian who had sex with his 12yo foster daughter who was later found dead I believe at the hands of her foster father.
But then, there's not too many ways I can re-word this in my head without it making less sense.
sevsnapey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just edited the original post but I'll paste it here to make it easier.
The foster daughter was murdered by her foster father. After the foster brother Trent had sex with her he admitted it to his mother as he feared she might be pregnant and the family had a meeting where they agreed to protect their son. The father said to "protect Trent" and that "she will go missing from school one day." She was apparently murdered a few hours later and he told them "she's no longer with us." Shitty stuff.
You'd think so, but not likely. I can't believe I'm posting this twice in one day, but my brother served about 5 years of a seven year sentence for raping his daughter repeatedly from age 7-12.
Agent_03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think in prison, they do much worse than just surround child rapists
the one thing everyone, inside and out of prison, is probably secretly okay with.
lmwalls ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's gonna get stabbed a lot more but not in his chest or the back of his head. You know.. prison and getting stabbed in the ass by a bunch of ...
basically getting what he deserves, although death would have been better.
Jesus Christ. Almost 300500 600 upvotes on a comment advocating vigilante murder. I get that child molesters are bad people, but very few people on Earth deserve death for their actions.
Let's take the assumption that both the murderer and the rapist did it because they're mentally ill. Why is murder in that case more forgivable?
You either believe that there are worse things than death, or that there aren't.
If there are worse things than death, then why punish the worst crimes with...death? Surely it's almost merciful compared to the alternatives, and in that case the child rapist got a "better deal".
If there aren't things worse than death, then murder is by definition the worst crime you can commit. No other crime, in that case, can be compared.
I mean you also permentally remove a child rapist by locking him up in jail and possibly having him reform but no he should instantly die for his possible mental illness.
Nothing more permanent than death; pedophiles don't reform. The ones that can control it with therapy, etc. great, I applaud that. The ones that act on it, even once, I'm OK with "permanent removal"
I don't believe that's the way, they are fucking sick in the head and while they do choose to act upon their thoughts, they need help this is why people who are pedophiles don't get help because people just think they choose to like children or find them attractive. They need help and we as a people should try to help them if they don't seem like they are willing to reform then sure maybe death is the only way but just because someone is born certain way doesn't mean they should just die.
Again, the ones that act on it. I get being sick, a lot of people's inclination is to want to cheat on their wives, but they control that urge and don't, they don't need to get a divorce anyway.
If someone's a pedophile and they are aware they are, they seek help, and can control themselves from harming children then more power to them. The second someone acts on those impulses, there's no going back from being raped, and as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't give three shits to what happens to a rapist.
And I'm not with you in spirit, unfortunately. I can't in good conscience support the death penalty knowing that innocent people have been murdered by the state for crimes they did not commit.
That infinitesimally small fraction of people who I believe do deserve to die for their crimes should live the rest of their natural lives in prison if it keeps an innocent person alive.
Oh, I don't like the death penalty either. Though, to be fair, we probably are differing in spirit again.
For truly heinous crimes, I think death is too light. I think any surviving victims or family of victims deserve the satisfaction of knowing the culprit is miserable and slowly wasting away, far away from any possibility of hurting anyone again.
And so we come to the final question in this debate, one to which there is no true answer: is death the ultimate punishment? I would argue yes, you no, but both sides have merit. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have been worse for her and her daughter.
Taiyaki11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, she'd prob get hit with the book full force on top of even further traumatizing the child probably. Not saying the guy didnt deserve it, but to not let it further fuck both their lives up over him
Good luck finding a jury that would ever prosecute a mother protecting her 12 year old daughter from a child molester caught in the act.
Taiyaki11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury can be and does get overruled by the judge, especially if she 'kept stabbing' after he wasnt a threat anymore. You act like it's never happened before. If you're that hellbent on the guy getting murdered it'll probably happen in prison anyways, thats kinda what happens with child molesters behind bars. No need to make the woman become a murderer in front of her child for it
Because it hasn't. A judge can overrule a 'guilty' conviction but it's almost if not completely impossible for a judge to overrule an acquittal for a criminal trial due to the 6th amendment.
I've never, ever heard of a judge successfulling overruling an acquittal decision for a criminal case, and couldn't find an example of a judge overruling an acquittal, and I highly doubt a judge would start just to to protect a pedophile from a defending mother.
Nah now he's going to get stabbed more. The good part is he'll be in PC, where he can sit and think about where and how he's going to get stabbed. And then he'll get stabbed, but the people waiting to stab him intend on savoring that shit so he'll live to wonder where and when it will happen the next time. He's going to think about getting stabbed every day for the rest of his life.
Yes because the victim is dead and everyone who knew that person has lost them completely. Also, someone killed someone. There is a huge difference between someone who is prepared to kill and someone who is prepared to hurt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ztpurcell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MFATLiens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But do you really or were you just trying to be funny
Gsusruls ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reports say
This isn't going to popular, due to reddit's propensity to hate on pedophiles, but none of this story is confirmed. Upon reading the article, it's a total "he said, she said" drama. Yes, the details are convincing, and I want to burn the guy before his trial, too. But this is one of the problems with how people read media and articles; we judge the fuck out of people without a shred of evidence.
Nadaac ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to take everything in. It takes me a month to read a 20 page picture book.
AiRiiD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:24:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck pauses every few words to ponder before finishing the title?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you people have a lot of mid-sentence thoughts...I feel like I read to the end before I process any of it, and then I'm like "oooh fuck"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is full of analyzers. Sometimes they read the whole thing before commenting, sometimes they stop mid-read to comment. You could say something completely reasonable but because the first few words pissed them off, they're ready to rip you to shreds.
I'm chuckling that you're analyzing the analyzers.
Don't the true thinkers out there look past the LCM-adhering top-comments? In other words, shouldn't we take top comments with a grain of salt considering the average redditor would upvote silly comments?
Why? The goal is to kill this guy because of what he did. To stop him from doing it again. To protect your daughter.
I'll never understand the people who get a hard-on from pretending that they'd go psycho and rip them to pieces, flay them, slowly pull off their fingernails, etc.
It's not impressive. It's just saying you get off on having an excuse to be a monster yourself.
acrowsong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we talk about how it sounds like he was planking the poor kid instead of sexually assaulting her?
Latter_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repeatedly stabbing someone is never a "totally reasonable response". This woman will get tried for murder and her daughter will have nowhere to go.
And again, I ask you, what the fuck do you think is an appropriate response in the moment to walking into this situation? You wanna try out your sweet just-learned-from-tv fucking full-nelson judo moves? What fantasy land are you in? What's your solution?
However, Louisiana's law was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court on June 25, 2008. Seeย Kennedy v. Louisianaย for more information. This decision also held that the death penalty would be disproportionate for any offense against an individual that did not involve death of the victim.
Nico_tine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, I stand corrected. But still, so what's your plan re: the original point? What is proportionate response?
how is it reasonable? its attempted murder. what if we changed some roles around? is "man repeatedly rapes girlfriend after she stabs his 12 year old daughter acceptable? is rape a more egregious crime than stabbing? is it a worse crime if the perpetrator of rape is male? is stabbing a less egregious crime if its done because you were justifiably pissed off at someone?
what about the daughters feelings? what if her mom actually killed the guy? dont you think that would add a lot to her already considerable emotional burden? she might feel guilty for life about this guys death even though it wasn't her fault at all?
can't we just agree that stabbing and raping are both horrible crimes no matter who the perpetrator and the victim and two wrongs don't make a right?
i mean, still, fuck that guy. hes totally an asshole and i probably would have stabbed him myself. but just saying. i think some people in this thread kinda let their justice-boners get a little out of control.
Thank you for articulating my thoughts. I tried, in response to the same comment, and the dude claimed it was just a "parody," as if the content didn't matter in the slightest.
Oh, I can see where this is going. Still that's a huge over reaction."
"on top of"
Oh shit, it's gotta be her sister or mother or something to get that kind of reaction.
"her 12 year old daughter"
Why's she stop stabbing him?
Boom9001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting to "On top of" it became clear it was sexual, but was still at mindset of murder for cheating is a bit over response. Once you see 12 though you're like oh wait nvm you go girl.
Same thought process. It's times like that where I'm amazed at how fast our brain is able to process full thoughts while simultaneously slowly reading.
who had hidden in the bathroom and tripped him as he exited the shower.
Corax7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think stabbing someone multiple times is a bit too much, call the cops or something and put him in jail. But ending a life, atleast in my oppinion is going to far.
GoodRubik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only way it could be more is the next line being:
"The hurricane had ripped his clothes off as he shielded the child from the storm. "
Don't get me wrong, this guy is fucked up for doing what he was doing ---but do you really think that stabbing him repeatedly is an appropriate response? That's nonsense.
The only thing that would make that somewhat reasonable is if the woman feared for her own safety AFTER the man was away from the daughter. According to the article, stabbing was her reaction to what she saw. Not okay.
That girl is likely traumatized from the entire thing. Such a shitty situation ahhhh
First of all, that's your opinion of your own comment. Frankly your opinion does not matter when the comment just so happens to be read by thousands of people. Why don't you be more mindful of the way your words may be coming off to others?
Secondly and more importantly for the casual listener -- words are important. (I can't believe I need to explain this to someone on a forum.) I guess I figured people who cash in on all these internet karmas are smart, rational and thoughtful human beings but... what the fuck do I know???!!!
Edit. PS. I read all the comments that responded to you. Seems like a few others agree with my sentiment. You gonna tell them it was a parody too?
If you had read my past comments you'd know I already did read them.
Whatever helps you go to sleep buddy. Just trying to make a point.
BReximous ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 14:33:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving out the "reports say", you're dead on with "naked" being the first word of the second half.
This pleases the court.
Carry on, and do great things.
xsavarax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:10:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put naked with the first half for sure. For me, the tilting point is "on top of". Before that:
Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked
Well, that's an extreme response there. At the tilting point:
Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of
Well, he probably was cheating on her then? Looks like he was a dickbag, but hey, that doesn't mean you can stab people. After "on top of":
Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old
Should have stabbed him more when she had the chance
Connaar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:34:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I went from wtf to WTF
nates10 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this post and was like dang it's a crazy person and then saw the second half and was like ok then that's a fairly good reason
The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
Not by stabbing the person multiple times, that's for god damn sure. It is mind boggling to me how many people in this thread are in support of the woman's response. Let the prison system handle it! Why support violence in any way/shape/form?
Exactly. I saw the cop car in the thumbnail and my mind had already prepared me to think she had stabbed a police officer...then I finished the sentence.
The daughter's account of what happened just made me think:
'So he's still alive, huh?'
fearguyQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what a bitch...Wow what a dick.
jarret_g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him once for every win the Cleveland Indians had during their streak. Also the amount of games the Cleveland Browns have won since October 24th, 2011
Seriously. My brain did a complete 180 in my skull comprehending this one.
palparepa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Even if it were a 12-year-old boy, boyfriend of his daughter? It took me to the first paragraph to get a bad feeling: "stabbed her boyfriend", and was for sure on the third paragraph: "The 31-year-old man was stabbed...". Yeah, fuck that guy.
Joyrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I don't condone her decision, I completely understand it, and would support her getting few or any charges for this. Especially since it was a pocket knife - it was just a gut reaction, and completely understandable.
Rational people do not react by stabbing someone multiple times. The man was no longer on the little girl, yet the woman decided it was okay to stab.
That is not understandable to me and I doubt the legal system will understand either. The woman deserves punishment.
Joyrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you come across a situation like that, you cease being a rational person. The law accounts for that. Voluntary Manslaughter is made for cases like this(though I don't know the alternative since he lived).
Wait what do you mean action without context? There's context. Saying "she stabbed him" would be action with no context. "she stabbed because she found him on top of her 12 year old naked" is with context. I mean, yeah maybe there's some details like what weapon she used and where it came from but it's kind of hard NOT to realize he was clearly molesting her child.
ferapy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to homicide or attempted murder repeated stabbings represent jealousy (as in OJ Simpson murders). Sex with a minor is inexcusable but it's likely the affair was going on for awhile before the jealousy dam broke. Two wrongs don't make a right. However, no doubt the man will be locked up a very long time for his crime and the woman gets probation/minimal jail time at best for her crime.
itzpiiz ยท 1668 points ยท Posted at 15:03:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts go out to the 12 year old daughter. Not only for the assault, but presumably witnessing the stabbing and aftermath.
[deleted] ยท 1062 points ยท Posted at 15:25:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing a lot of people would much prefer to see their rapist stabbed than what usually seems to happen in this situation, which is that the parent wants it all swept under the rug.
Good for this mom for realizing right away that it wasn't about her or her relationship, and just getting on with the defense of her child.
Yeah, if my parents had stabbed the uncle that sexually assaulted me as a three year old, rather than sweeping it under the rug, I would've been proud of them. Instead, I barely talk to my parents now.
[deleted] ยท 236 points ยท Posted at 16:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be honest, when I was 16, we drove to my grandmother's house, where I hadn't been since after the molestation. About halfway through the car ride it was announced my uncle might be there because he had been staying there. All I had was a lead pencil, but I held it in my hand, ready to stab him, if he was there when we arrived. And yes, if he had been, I would have. Luckily for him (and for me) he wasn't.
I've been through a lot of therapy since then, but that was the moment I knew what real hate felt like.
I agree with you, I think people whose parents take action like this recover much better. I have a friend who was repeatedly raped at 16 by an older man and her brothers killed him and sure it was traumatic for her but she got sent a strong message that what was done to her was not OK and she did not see the man who was repeatedly raping her get away with it. (In addition this man that raped her had been raping multiple other women too). And no one put the onus on her to stop being raped either, "Oh you have to stop seeing him, you have to stop tempting him, you have to fight back, you have to set boundaries." Someone just put an end to the raping and protected her.
Yeah. I mean, I feel SOME comfort knowing the man that assaulted me is now on the sex offender list, so some poor parent somewhere reported him. But it still hurts to know we could have prevented that child's molestation - or rape or who knows what else - if my parents had just reported it in the first place like they should have. Also, I had made myself believe for years that maybe I hadn't told them or something, but then my mom came back with: "Oh, we didn't know he assaulted you. We just thought he exposed himself to you." As if somehow that's okay. I know that growing up in the 80s/90s was a different time, but I really hope that parents nowadays actually do something. People don't realize how much that stuff messes you up for years.
I would prefer hearing about more stabbings than parents who did nothing and stood by and let their kids deal. Not that I totally advocate the stabbing either, really I would prefer these guys/women go to court and be labeled as evil bastards for the rest of their lives. That's punishment enough sometimes. However... yeah. Sorry your friend went through all that.
TL;DR: Sorry your friend went through that and I wish my parents had done something rather than let other kids get molested by the same guy. But at least he's labeled a sex offender, now.
TK382 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you hear the story of the Texas man that found a neighbor raping his daughter and beat his ass almost to death with a baseball bat and got off?
Thanks. Honestly I think my friend functions exceptionally well for what she went through and by her family's actions her value on her own life and well being was somewhat spared.
chinika4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You deserved better and I'm sorry that you had that experience.
zeonchar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:19:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, fuck them.
pyro18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father did it to me and when I told my mother she also swept it under the rug. Now I'm in my 20s and so fucked up. And I still have to see him everyday. I understand your pain
Why on earth are you still seeing him everyday? Get out of there, friend! There are shelters that will help you! Don't force yourself to stay there!!!
pyro18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:48 on September 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a younger sibling who lives with them, so I do too, lots of guilt tripping from my parents and a lots of feeling responsible, it's really doing a number on how I view myself and other people though.
I'm a pretty nice person, I swear, but your comment made me imagine the ob-gyn who raped me (after inserting my IUD) being stabbed to death on the examination table.
I can't believe how sweet this image is. I had no idea I was still so upset.
I'm a survivor as well and the only way get myself to stop focusing on the flashbacks (it happened when I was around 10) is to imagine myself stabbing the guy with a spear, the image of me stabbing him usually gets the flashbacks to stop for a while.
I have this problem too. I used to fantasize about kidnapping the man who molested me and torturing him to death. I would often set it in the place the molestation happened. That was the only way to get the image of what he did to me out of my brain.
Trauma is trauma. Soldiers get PTSD from shooting and killing enemies who are attacking.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:43:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine the trauma if their government came and bombed them while they were being attacked by the enemy, or if their government told them to defend their enemy.
Would be worse.
Yes it's traumatic but no stabbing, no defense is worse.
I'm sure it made the moment more terrifying, but I think the psychological impact will be lessened. My mother didn't protect me from my abusive boyfriend nor father and it fucked me up. I feel completely worthless some days -- like I'm not worth the protection afforded to other human beings. I'm not worth someone getting angry on my behalf because me being assaulted isn't a big deal.
That's what it can do to someone, at any rate. Obviously stabbing is extreme and potentially traumatic to witness in its own way, but there is no way she is ever going to feel worthless or like no one cared. She's more likely to stand up for herself in the future when witnessing someone standing up for her as a child/teenager.
chinika4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf! It pisses me off to hear parents not helping their kids. I would fucking give my life for my kids. You are worthy. You are valuable. You are important. You are lovable. You are a survivor.
Mmm, I disagree with you there. It's just an individual's preference, nothing more. It's when these individuals start thinking 50 Shades is an accurate depiction, and end up in unhealthy BDSM relationships, that it becomes truly sad.
But for the rest, there are many healthy ways for them to express their new fetishes in healthy, trusting relationships.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad to know that most people in that community are there because they were abused as children.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're probably a bad person.
disILiked ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not 12 or a daughter, but I think seeing my mom stab she shit out of him would make me feel a lot better.
itzpiiz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:05:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not 12 or a daughter
Neither am I so this is all speculative but I'd imagine the trauma and emotional scarring from the assault alone would be exponentially intensified after witnessing repeated stabbings with the visuals of all the blood and additional factors.
It's easy to say it'd help her knowing 'justice had been served' however I'm not convinced.
She was in a traumatic situation and received an appropriate response from the mother, I think.
It's sort of like -- if someone is threatening to shoot you, yes, it might be traumatic to watch someone else shoot them. But it's a violent response to someone that is attacking you with violence. The primary trauma comes from the person causing you harm, not the actions taken to remove the threat from hurting you. We wouldn't beg someone not to shoot someone else with a gun just because others witnessing that shooting might be traumatized.
disILiked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:26 on September 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I got bullied a bit in school (I realize this is not on the same level but its what I have) and the worst punishment an adult ever game them was a vacation from school for a few days. I didnt feel vindicated or that justice was served and they'd just come back and do it again. I didn't feel like justice was served till I layed one out on the ground one day, he never bothered me again.
I was taught an eye for an eye is a bad way of doing things. I used to believe that too, but the older I get the fairer it seems.
ggrektums ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe more scarring in the moment but maybe she will feel like it's justice when she gets older
slider2k ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure you'd be traumatized seeing stabbing as a kid. So, that kid was traumatized twice that day, first by the sexual assault, and second by her bloodthirsty mother. None of the two adults involved really thought about the child, unfortunately.
What does "thoughts go out" mean? That you saw the headline and thought about it like the rest of us? Do you have mental raybeams that your thoughts do thing when they go out?
What does that mean?
idkfams ยท 15845 points ยท Posted at 15:19:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work in law enforcement here. I don't think people understand how this shit fucks you up hearing this shit first hand. Two days ago mom comes into the command crying hysterical. Comes into my office and begins to tell me that she went to put her daughter to sleep and when she gave her a good night kiss the kid puts her tongue in the mothers mouth. Taken back, the mother ask her daughter what are you doing ? She responds, that's how daddy does it. Asked her what else daddy does and she said " he puts his thing in my mouth " the kid is two years old. I lost my shit, my heart broke and was mentally fucked up for the rest of the day. Myself and other detectives were talking amongst each other and hope this guy gets thrown off a roof.
Edit: Domestic violence officer for you asking what my job is. Also, for those of you asking what happens since itโs one of those he said she said cases itโs like this; an investigation is opened and everyone is interviewed then from there is the decision to move forward or not. Yes kid is two and can yโall like that. I have a niece who can describe a lot of things that you wouldnโt think a two year old could describe. For example my sister was giving her a bath and I put a towel on her and she said โ you touched my boo boob boob and kept point at it. They know more than you think.
Edit: Yes, itโs his biological daughter.
Edit: NYPD provides therapist for anytime you feel like something is wrong or off. Not many people like talking about it because if your CO deems you a mental hazard they take your gun and shield until your psychiatrist seems you ready for full duty.
Zexiyon ยท 6220 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just hearing this shit from you fucks me up, I can't even imagine how you felt hearing it first hand.
We had a local pediatrician who was a serial child molester (more than a hundred children); had videos he had made in his office and everything. All five investigators who had to go through the videos quit their jobs once the work was done.
Fuck this shit, it's horrible to even read a description of stuff like this, let alone having to sit and watch it.
[deleted] ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 20:21:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LA_SoxFan ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:02:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine the self restraint that it would take not to shoot the fucking bastard on sight.
Couldn't you theoretically justify this? You could just lie and say he was also choking her, wouldn't let good. I think the shooting would be justified. And also feel really, really good.
Elubious ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:28:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I could be more graphic than this thread has gotten, but I think splattering the rapist's brains on the victim is probably too much of a topping to the trauma sundae... Like seriously, I think it might just make it worse.
Or fuck, who knows maybe not.
DoJax ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's worse is when child porn is found and people have to study every aspect of the videos for things that can identify locations (looking for flags of teams they root for, license plates, on vehicles, landmarks etc.), perpetrators(trying to find identifiers like scars, birth marks, tattoos, missing limbs and/or digits), victims(try to see if they match with missing persons descriptions, try to find identifiers for them as well), or maybe correlations with other videos. I'm certain there are many people who feel like the dirtiest person in the world having to do work like that.
I talked to a man who had to do it years ago and he told me after sorting through so much of it that you start to become paranoid for your children, scared mostly because of the sheer amount of content that is on the internet that no one knows about. I don't want to know how much is out there. I can't imagine, I am worried about the mental health of people who do it though, he quit because of his job, I wonder how many people have taken their lives.
When five seasoned detectives ALL quit after one heinous molestation case, and believe you me they probably had worked others before...man, you know that was one FUCKED UP "pediatrician". Can't even really call him a doctor knowing what he did.
They usually do in Germany. It's just expected. Though it's much shorter than in other fields.
DMann420 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, people can become a Dr. by getting a doctorate, however, it is not the same case to go into pediatrics, or any branch of medicine. The doctor you go see at a health clinic is an MD and not just someone who did a doctorate in some random field.
It takes upwards of 8 years of schooling and 3-4 years of residency to go into pediatrics.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:47:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pediatrics is specialization, so it's even longer.
Biocidal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's a regular residency, 3 years post medical school.
Same as internal and family medicine.
bonejam82 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:10:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pos should be executed. As slowly and painfully as possible
FullShane ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I think of reasons for why capital punishment should exist I think of cases like this.
Even I, as an opponent of capital punishment in almost all cases, have serious thoughts about it in cases like this. But I feel like a way should be found to make them aware of what they've done first, assuming its mentally possible for them to comprehend.
Even then, I'm not sure because of such a thing as false positives, but for a proven serial child rapist with video evidence, I would support a conditional life sentence at the least.
A lot of people against capital punishment make exceptions to it, and it's just easy to do. Especially hearing stories like this. But it's good that you have a strong belief against capital punishment and think there's an alternative.
mginatl ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:10:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, I'm all for helping non-offending pedophiles recover but when you're talking about someone who sexually assaulted literally hundreds of children, it goes a bit further than just torturing them to death for a mental illness. (I don't agree that we should torture them or anyone to death though, but it's disingenuous to say that mental illness is the reason people want to.)
bonejam82 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:31:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They choose their actions.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:25:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the criminal justice system, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.
Steph83 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:57:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son's pediatric oncologist was attested for child pornography a couple years ago. Shook me up big time. He literally saved my son's life but clearly he's a very messed up man.
No throwaway but I might delete this later.
Um, do you see pediatricians alone as a kid? For a physical? Because when I was little, under 8, I got a physical from a doctor when my mom wasn't in the room. And he swiped my genitals. Like between my labia. It's always been weird to me, looking back. What goes on during routine physical? Is that just part of the check up? I remember lying on the table with my shirt up.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:33:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was always present up until I was 16 (well this was my GP). I never had to get undressed for a physical. The extent was lifting my shirt to above my belly button to feel my liver and stuff.
By swipe, do you mean with a swab or his hand? Both are unusual for a pediatrician and I don't believe should be normal practice. Where were your guardians?
So they're not supposed to lift your pants and underwear up to look at your genitals? That's not a thing? I had a GP do that every time and my mom was not in the room once when he spread my labia. I bring my kids for a yearly physical with a different GP and she doesn't even look at their genitals at all. I like to think it's because it's 20 years later and guidelines have changed since the early 90s.
Edit: Uh, sorry about the multiple postings. Apparently Reddit doesn't like commenting when using a phone browser.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:34:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhhhhmmm... Not that I'm aware of. Personally, I've never had a doctor do that as a kid.
Only time a doctor has seen my genitalia is when I see my gyno (as an adult).
I'm not a girl but a female doctor definitely felt around my area, and as I'm uncircumcised she had to pull back the foreskin. It doesnt sound like your doctor did anything wrong, especially since it sounds like a single "swipe" checking for irregular growths/any sensitivity on your end. Again Im no doctor and if you think you were treated wrong I'd look into it further, the last thing we need is creep doctors like the one mentioned above.
That's a rightfully natural response, but people should remember that we have legal processes to follow for very good reasons. Here's an example scenario:
What if this mother was lying to get the kid's father into trouble?
I can only imagine how difficult it must be to remain objective in these situations, but it's vital that they do.
I laughed at this haha. I mean I wouldnt cause I dont wanna go to jail myself but honestly, if it was back in the day before CCTV and shit, I might be down.
It has to be really hard to work in that field and not take matters into your own hands.
Edit for the comments in response to this. I am saying working in a field where you are privy to abuse cases like that, whether it's dealing with a pedophile in person, or talking to a young child explain what happened, to having to take evidence or dna from a young child to match a crime, to reviewing footage or audio...
That's not how depression works but I get your point. Fucking insane to expect normal people to go through cases like that. They're probably not making any fucking money on top of being subject to horrid conditions and also can't leave because they have to help the kids.
But I doubt any amount of money can just make the terrrible thing so in your head forever go away
Mex-Box ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:41:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it was sarcasm about becoming depressed at the thought of Emergency Services, CPS and anyone else involved fighting the severe, crippling depression resulting from the nature of the crimes their victims are exposed to.
Mex-Box ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:47:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried to edit the above to apologize for being a dick and not reading your ENTIRE comment.
I agree, most in those fields are paid shit for the mental damage damage they are more prone to. These jobs do tend to provide amazing counseling and debriefings. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon in the slightest to witness alcohol and drug abuse become a norm in these fields.
Is there any way I can offer my jaded and non-responsive personality to alleviate those who would be deeply affected in return for employment? I know its not the same caliber, but I can routinely view some of the most horrid things visible on the internet and not have it impact me long term, so I figure if I can get a job where I save others that pain, I could probably do good in the world.
My dad is a cop and ended up working as a detective catching child predators for a couple years. He thought he'd seen enough fucked up shit from his job that he'd be fine. After a couple years it was too much for him and he had to stop.
I can almost assuredly guarantee you that no matter how jaded you think you are, you will still get fucked up if you try to take on a job like this.
I figure that would be a risk, and I'm not trying to play internet tough guy here. I am just of the belief that I'm more tolerant to the viewing of horrid materials and that I could use that to help others and maybe come out not as scarred as the person who would've done it anyway.
It's a very important job if you are willing to actually do it. Just be careful and don't expect to get through it with your mental health fully intact. From what he's told me, a lot of people think they're able to handle it but nobody really ever is.
Ummm.. Are you seriously asking if you can go watch child porn?
*Edit Seems my comment was misunderstood. What I meant was more along the lines of I couldn't wrap my head around someone volunteering to do this. As has been brought up it is very difficult, and mind/heart/soul destroying for law enforcement officials that have to view this, and to see someone say (what I took as) I can do it because I am tough kinda boggled my mind. Was not meaning that he/she was wanting to go watch it for kicks or something...
You do realize there's more than just that that can traumatize a viewer right? Humorous comments aside, there is probably way more material that is psychologically harmful to a detective or officer that needs to be reviewed than just that one specific example. Plus there's the face that all of this material would be viewed in an office building filled with other LEOs along with security policies that would prevent the dissemination of materials recorded for evidence purposes.
edit: corrected "view" to "Viewer" in first sentence.
blvcklite ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:48:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly it kind of puts things into perspective. No wonder some cops lose their shit and brutalize civilians or go postal or turn corrupt. The mental toll that job puts on you on top of sleep deprivation and potentially depression/PTSD would make anyone crazy
True but honestly, I can barely do my own job without over dramatising it so having any contact with the sickest in society would have a seriously detrimental impact on my mentality.
I am sure Detectives that see this stuff on a daily bases need lots of room and help to mitigate the impact this subject matter has on their mental health.
Do you have any emotions or did you burn them all up in the pursuit of being the most aloof and snide online guy?
RsRose ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:48:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God..i thought you were making a dark joke about the pediatrician..
Deadscale ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:37:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in the field yet so this isn't first hand experience, studied Digital Forensics in Uni.
For the most part, we're supposed to be impartial as our evidence we give has to be unbiased to get a fair conviction, if you as a person see something like this and already want to take matters into your own hands, you've got to think that you could potentially sabotage the investigation and let the guy walk away free if you feel like that. I can't say how easy that is to do but if I ever go into Police work I'll find out.
The only problem i see with taking matters into your own hands though is the same problem with the death penalty, what if you're wrong? Being accused of being a pedophile is something that shouldn't be done lightly in our society. Story time here.
Our lecturer always told each year the same story of a man who was accused of this, the police raided his house and walked him out shouting WE'RE ARRESTING YOU ON SUSPICION OF BEING A PEDOPHILE so everyone in the street could hear it, he lost his wife/kids as they left him and moved away, his house had graffiti all across it with "Pedo Scum" written across the door and it's windows put through with bricks, and the local newspaper published an image of the man stating he was a Pedophile.
The initial catch was that his IP address had downloaded and distributed multiple graphic images, but after a month of investigation he was cleared as they found out that a group of people were driving a Van around the area, hacking into peoples Wi-fi and then distributing it.
But his life was fucked, even though the papers printed that he was innocent everyone who saw him still thought he was a Pedo, his Wife had already left with his Daughter and wouldn't speak to him, he lost his job and couldn't even stay at his house, in the end he had to go into protective custody and move places + change his name.
The moral here of course is that you've gotta be as unbiased as possible when investigating something as any bias or initial assumptions could ruin someones life.
dedorian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a prison for a bit and overheard one of the inmates explaining how he and other pedophiles was just "misunderstood" like "the queers in the 70s" (he was an older man) and the children he raped were "much more mature" than we gave them credit for, how four and five year olds are "very sexual" in nature. While lined up to go out to the rec yard later that day, he was trying to make small talk and asked me if I had any kids.
I am a calm man, it takes a lot to rile me up. I can probably list on one hand the number of times I've felt true anger; it's just not in my nature. I have never felt myself so close to losing control than that day. I quit (partially) because of that moment - it's scary to feel yourself almost lose it if you're not the reactionary type. I have immense respect for people who can put themselves in that role and maintain their composure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be really hard to work in that field and not take matters into your own hands
Jesus Christ I thought this was in regards to pediatricians at first but you meant the police.
anyone in a position of having to witness and/or absorb the evil taking place on a young child..whether it is dealing with an actual pedophile in person, reviewing tapes, court reporting, etc..
This is a major reason I changed my plans to become a LEO. My best friend in high school looked at me sideways and said, "You. With a gun. God, that's frightening." May have had a point.
I did hear about one pediatrician who did this, made headlines for a week (including on reddit) sometime in the last 5-10 years, and was wondering if this was the same guy, or if more than one of them in recent history has been caught after molesting/recording 100+ children
i know we've all got problems. small, big, in between - but this shit?? if either of my children had this 'pediatrician' as their doctor - i really am afraid of what i might do. i would likely do prison time for the amount of hurt i'd fuck that guy up with.
long live the good guys, and to hell with the perverts. BTW, once that doc goes to prison - the other inmates there will do what i was insinuating.
I get annoyed by the people who feel the need to condemn vigilante justice in these threads- we get it, we can't actually do these things. Let us vent our disgust and anger in peace.
I don't have any children, but if he was my little brothers' doctor I probably would have to hold myself back from going to his house and kicking his ass at the very least. If someone else killed the guy I'd probably thank them. And I'm not someone who usually gets violent in any way.
me either - not a violent person at all. i diffuse. i teach my kids two wrongs do not make a right. but in this situation, the 2nd wrong - if done properly - will eliminate the 1st. so i may need to put a caveat into that when teaching my toddlers. nope, can't let them know about this kind of stuff. sticking w/2 wrongs don't make a right w/them.
but with this guy? you and i are the same. a time for some serious hurt. (of course vigilante behaviour is lacking of facts often. but if my daughter or son told me first hand of abuse to this degree? my children are incapable of lying if it's not for selfish reasons. kids are so funny like that. but that would be enough for me, and i'd wear my orange jumpsuit w/pride)
Dood567 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I read somewhere that those types of investigators are legally required to stop after a certain amount of time or if their supervisor deems necessary before that. It makes sense because of just how fucked it has to be.
Sawses ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:26:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're telling me is we need to hire sociopaths to look through that sort of stuff. A lack of empathy would make the job significantly easier, and be best for everyone involved. Or hire a pedophile--I'm not sure that's a win-win, but it sure as fuck beats the current system.
Zorchin ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:55:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, a sociopath maybe. But never a pedophile. Someone with those tendencies that has taken pains to not act on them and is getting the help they need (which since they aren't in prison I assume this to be the case.) does not need to be exposed to that shit. That's like asking an alcoholic to do a wine tasting.
abm2468 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:17:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the sociopath idea is great (and also unprobable) - they could just handle the video documentation so other people only need to read the necessary information (prescribed format) - which would still be terrible to read but it would remove the traumatic step of the actual video footage. Depending...there could also be an issue practically defining a sociopath (but likely not required... you'd just hire...)
However, if this was a real job you'd have covert pedophiles aiming for the position. What a rush. Which leads me to also strongly agree that pedophiles should never do that job...
The alcoholic analogy sounds spot on to me ...is pedophilia classed as an addiction?
It wouldn't even necessarily need to be full blown sociopaths, just people with lower empathy than most.
abm2468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:08 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon that'd come down to the hiring process/leniency. Im not sure community tolerance would extend to the risk of pedophiles doing that job (or even working alongside them). I imagine there is likely some % risk of actually 'giving people ideas' unintentionally if it is a focused role (ie, unlike cops it wouldn't be framed with the main trauma story)
The other problem with the system is that people let their own emotions and empathy get in the way of enacting actual justice and solving the problem. They aren't willing to accept that there is true evil in this world, and that it should be annihilated, not tolerated, reasoned with, or legally protected.
We are so detached from the actual ugliest and most atrocious aspects of existence that we refuse to ever consider that sometimes, some people do need to be mercilessly eliminated. And in extreme cases, inflicting pain upon the most egregious and predatory monsters in our world can be a necessary part of allowing the victims to feel appropriate justice has been served.
Its easy to be a middle class college-age Redditor browsing through dank memes and occasionally seeing articles or videos about horrible shit, and come away thinking: "Clearly the proper response to this is to simply take the moral high-ground, whatever that may be."
Take people out of their safe, isolated, violence-free world. Put them into a situation where their wives or children are exposed to real predators. Cartels. ISIS. Kidnapping. Human trafficking. Child sexual enslavement. Multi-generational torture camps. Genocide and infanticide. Mass rape. Sadist cannibalistic pedophiles who get off on recording their actions for everyone to see, and taunting the victim's family during sentencing.
All of this is very real. Not only have these things existed throughout human history in various forms, but they exist in our world right now. That's not an exaggeration.
But getting annoyed by Jake Paul videos, watching Jimmy Kimmel interview Emilia Clarke, checking Tinder, and watching new movie trailers on Youtube keeps us in a bubble where we forget how savage things can actually get, and how we should actually deal with them.
If our society was exposed how ugly things can truly get, it would start to understand that sometimes, brutality is necessary when dealing with real evil, not simply "people who are different from you."
Sometimes, hate is a proper response.
Sometimes, expressing sadism towards those who prey on the most innocent and vulnerable is actually the appropriate reaction.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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girlweibo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evil doesn't reside in all of us. Stupidity, a want for attention maybe, and an almost blind need to follow the crowd, but not evil.
The actual numbers of people with evil 'residing' within is less that 20% of the population. The rest of us mostly don't even know what true evil actually looks like.
Case in point, some of the more naive ones here have suggested giving a sociopath the job of watching evidence videos; they mean good, but they don't know that sociopaths don't have to be paedophiles to play around with the evidence they'll document after watching, because they don't get that sociopaths are real evil, the kind that will do bad just for the sake of it.
Galyndean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard the turnover rate for the people at Google who have to do this is pretty high too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does that even happen?? Parents accompany children at pediatric visits! If a pediatrician said they needed to see my child alone, all kinds of red flags would go off in my brain.
Harsimaja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thought of him planning to do it just once and not having a piece of him recoil at the monster it was inside. Total sociopath. And the thought that he probably picked paediatrics in med school for a reason, and not the usual one...
I read about cases like this and how these people are actively asking for counselors to be provided as part of the job and be given other ways to deal with such fucked up cases. I'm guessing such treatments still arent provided for investigators who need to sit and watch that crap?
I was watching a UK crime documentary series and something like this came up one episode with first hand interviews and recorded police ones.
I wasn't watching the programme intently but I think a nursery worker kept reporting parents for potentially abusing young children. I think that tipped some people off as to something that was going on in the area before one of the children came forward and said it was that worker.
Turns out her boyfriend originally forced her to abuse children and give him the pictures but she kept doing it. It was over years and most of the children were too young to talk about it so there were a lot of police that had to identify children from the photographs before informing the parents.
I remember the police that found the images said they couldn't do anything straight away since it's illegal to send the images online and had to drive across the country with several teams to deliver the evidence. That must have been devastating knowing that nothing could be done until then too.
Edit: I think it's the Vanessa George case looking at Google. The police couldn't identify most of the children because they couldn't see their faces so the parents still don't know if their kids were abused, looks like this was 2009. I assumed it was earlier but would have been a contemporary documentary.
I felt like there was another hearing: which he delves into the personal sacrifice in the manual labor, actually having to go through all of the horrible content, but I couldn't find that one. This is just his opening though, the entire hearing was an hour or two, so it might be buried in there.
Basically the first five minutes is him discussing his companies original purpose and the prototype that led the unraveling of a massive sex-slavery ring. He's incredibly emotional throughout and you can kinda tell around the 7-8 minute mark when he talks about having to decline a contract because he didn't have the tech available that he eventually had been exposed to these crimes.
He's a super smart, well informed, and humble guy.
I didn't know this about him but it explains a lot, especially the shift in personality that "growing up/maturing" didn't really explain. From goofy to still humorous but more serious.
Asraia ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if he is a survivor himself?
FullShane ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:35:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't think so. I mean, it shouldn't affect our perceptions of him but I don't think so. He's from my home town and I've read up on him a bit. He has a brother with cerebral palsy who needed a new heart and he attended the university of iowa to major in biochemical engineering because he wanted to find a way to save him and others like him. I guess he's still trying to save people.
Edit: hi from the universe of Iowa, by the way. And before you ask, no, it's not too great. Its like regular Iowa but it doesn't stop, there's just more corn :/
Onatu ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people are just born wanting to help. Doesn't matter how, doesn't matter what. He seems like one of those people. He's been successful and had a pretty good life from what I can tell, and now he's using that success to do good for others and give them a chance at a good life as well. That's pretty admirable.
Sedentary ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:46:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, Iowa shouldn't claim to be a Universe
Asraia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:32 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello back from the universe of Oklahoma. Just like regular Oklahoma, but more rednecks. ๐
melez ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I heard he was a great person, I just never really expected him to be that good a person.
Wow... he does seem to be doing good stuff with his money and fame. He also invests in small companies and has been on the shark tank at least once that I know of.
envirex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:37:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's so many people not paid enough. Child protection hears this day in and out--it's truly a 24/7 never ending job.
People who work with these kids down the line in facilities start off at about 12.50/hour, work holidays, and get extremely limited time off (despite self care). You get spit on, punched, run after them, love them, and care for them--usually because some POS really fucked them up and they've experienced more trauma in their pinky finger than most of us will experience in a lifetime. I know because I used to do this, and would literally have done it my whole life if I could live off of that.
Police, therapists, social workers, teachers, nurses, GALs--none of these professions get paid enough when working with children and it's absolutely impossible to comprehend what we experience (and what these kids experience in these places) unless you live it.
I've been doing social work for 10 years now and have never made more that $40,000/year. I also live in a city where that's barely enough to get by. BUT, I do love working with kids. Can't wait for the day I don't live paycheck to paycheck.
Edit: damn, didn't think I'd get gold ever in my life. Thank you!
Also--I forgot to mention the pillars that are foster families and group home parents. They make our world go round.
Dex0807 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:05:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or how about the foster parents that take in these kids from trauma. We deal with all the outburst plus the stress of trying to get them professional help all for pennies. But I do it because I freaking love these kiddos. They deserve better.
Source: Am a foster parent with 4 placements right now.
Word!! Shout out to ALL the foster families & group home employees!! I'm there are so many running pieces to this puzzle. I knew I'd leave a few out.
Sawses ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a quick aside--nurses get paid a shit ton compared to the rest because there's a shortage and high standards to be one. Still, you're right; I'd want to do social work, if I thought I could support a family on it.
Kylynara ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:38:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly there's a shortage of social workers compared to the amount being done. However that's mostly because there's not a shortage compared to money available to pay them.
Sawses ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:40:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. The shortage for nurses is because of the high standards. For social work, it's because you basically sacrifice any career mobility by getting a specialized degree, and they don't pay you enough because they need so many people, yet have so little money.
danceycat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you get your masters you can probably make money to support your family, particularly if your licensed. I'm sure it varies from location though
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Know a lot of nurses... If were talkin' RN's in a hospital, lets worry about other professions.
Are you saying nurses in a hospital make $100/hr? If so, you're absolutely bullshitting. The average nurse salary in the US is between $66k and $75k/year.
https://www.bsnedu.org/salaries/
The poster you replied to stated that nurses make a "shit ton", and relatively speaking, I get that. But don't imply that $100/hr is the even close to the norm. Just because you know 3 nurses in a location that has one of the highest costs of living, does not mean that nurses in general make even close to 200k a year.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't known a single nurse between CA and IN where I've lived that makes less than 40/hr.
I don't know what kind of hospital-level nurses you know but if they're not making close to 100k per year working 32-40 hours a week they're getting screwed. Nurses that work in hospitals make plenty.
$40/hr is much more realistic. I'm not saying they don't get paid well, I'm arguing against your "$100/hr" claim.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
40 is 80k for 40hr work week.
WcCannons ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your link is for BSN anyways, im not talking about simply an RN that has a bachelors, but RN's that work MedSurg/ICU/ER/PICU/PACU/TELE/NUC etc in a hospital.
They don't need anyone's defense. They have high wages and strong unions.
Yea, I know how it works. And RN with a BSN will, 99 times out of 100, make more than an RN without a BSN. That's the point I was making, but since you want to be a pedantic jerkoff about it, you're still rambling on. Stop distracting from the fact that you made an absurd claim to begin with and I called you out on it. 100k a year is not 100/hr. And the average RN salary in the US is ~$70k/year. My point has been made. Hopefully I spelled it out clearly enough for you, and if I didn't, I really don't care anymore.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100/he is easy to come by, work 3 12's in a row or a turnaround and you'll be making 100/hr in most hospitals assuming you're actually an RN.
I'm not confusing 100/hr and 100k/ year. Only an idiot would do that. Sorry you seem to work in an area of the US where nurses are getting screwed. You should move to CA, TX, OR, WA, IN, MI, NY, or NV. You'll make a lot more.
Also, no. They include RN in the page that I linked. Reread it.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BSN is a degree. RN is a license. Working as an RN in an acute care hospital is what I'm talking about. There are all kinds of RN's it there. The technically competent onea strive to work in a hospital because that's where skills are challenged and valuable experience is obatined.
It's also because nursing is a profession. No offense to other people working in social services but nurses literally save lives real time, not in an emotional or psychological sense.
feliscat ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:49:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EMTs save lives in real time and make minimum wage or slightly better
aihley ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:48:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... what exactly do you think social workers do???
Social workers do save lives in the same sense. That's pretty much the whole reason they exist and most of the time they don't intervene immediately unless there is imminent physical harm. Abuse and neglect don't just kill souls. Children are beaten and starved to death. They are left unsupervised. Household accidents kill.
09Charger ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:31:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the good laugh. Nurses get paid well because they have incredibly strong UNIONS and the way that the insurance pay system is set up.
It takes just 2 fricken years to become a Nurse, compare that to the 6 years + clinical residency that Social Workers need. Also watch less Grey's Anatomy please.........Nurses rarely are the ones "saving" people in real time, that shit is done in the OR and ER by DOCTORS and SURGEONS........ unless we're talking CPR or baseline medication administration, at which point I'd argue that Paramedics serve that role more commonly.
Good job being a dipshit though.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:55:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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09Charger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Licensing requirements for an RN is just a 2-yr program in NYS. ER nurses are a specific annoyance to me because many I have met think that the 6-weeks they spent getting a brief over view of mental health now qualifies them to diagnosis patients or overrule the LCSW..........but I digress.
I guess nurses play a different role where you live, and clearly different training requirements. Good job following up your mostly cogent argument with a personal attack:)
You're truly a hero. I'll never understand the under appreciation of the aforementioned professions. I'm two years away from my BSW. I'm prepared to make shit but I absolutely love this field and and I can't imagine doing anything else. It's good to know there are others out there 10 years in who are still just as passionate as I am. Thank you.
BCB75 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it actually under appreciated, or are you just talking about salary? I understand the salary issues, since the people being helped usually don't have money to give, so where would it come from?
squeel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Social workers are usually employees of the state. The money comes from taxes and other government provided services.
Though the salary isn't always the best, by under appreciated I was actually referring to the fact that social workers are often underrated for the work they do and the field itself is sometimes misunderstood. For example, when I tell people that's what I am going to school for, two common responses are: "so you're gonna take kids away from their parents in the middle of the night?" And "really? are you sure that's what you wanna do? My heart just couldn't handle that".
BCB75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that sucks. Luckily, I haven't met anyone with that attitude.
Is there honestly any compensation worth giving up pieces of your life over? Potentially the rest of your life? This shit pissed me off hearing about it, seeing it first hand would destroy me as a person.
I think the kids make it worth it. The compensation could just alleviate other stressors to make it more manageable.
Asraia ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teacher here. I agree.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children's social worker here too. Thank you for all you do!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's what we get after decades of listening to wealthy yuppies about the horror of unions and promoting trickle down economics.
alflup ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the industry. It's not even close to what you think it should be. It's much less. And burnout happens A LOT.
These people are responsible for keeping us alive and we treat them like utter shit financially. I feel like a lot of the issues with law enforcement right now could be fixed by simply paying them their worth.
Sawses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an amount of money you could pay me to look through evidence like that. It's a pretty high number, but the number exists.
HeyPScott ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:23:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm working on a doc about this--about child trafficking and the people on the frontline. Gallows humor pervades. One woman was telling me that someone in her office was new and filed a complaint about the dark humor with HR. That sudden judgment of how these people cope made everyone very depressed and ashamed.
She was let go within a week.
i recently found out that my uncle has to do this and it fucks him up so badly :(((
MikeyLust ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, my dad was an investigator... He drank himself to the the point where his life was cut short due to the sacrifice he had to make watching those videos, digging into the reality of what happened, having to witness it over and over to absorb every detail... drinking was his only escape. If he had more time before the end, I think he would have tried to find new work. When he would tell me how broken he was after dealing with a case, I could see beyond the fatherly look in his eyes and see pain. I miss my father, he was a true hero.
I had to sit on a jury for a child rape case about 10 years ago in a case very similar to this. The fucker took pictures of the child sobbing as he raped her. As the jury, we had to look at them. I'm still messed up from it.
At least the cops choose to do that work. The jury was forced to be traumatized by that. I hope that asshole rots.
I found child porn on a guys computer I was fixing one time. I made up some story about the computer being too fucked up to fix at his house that I needed to take it in to our shop. I told my boss and he agreed. He had a county investigator there when I arrived. The investigator wasn't even someone who looks at regular porn and I had to show him a couple images before he could 100% say it was underrage girls. He was so fucking upset he even had to look at it. I felt really bad for the guy.
Well, apparently the guy knew what was up after I took the computer. They went to raid his house and he was gone. I got a call like a month or two later from the investigator. They eventually caught the guy in Mexico.
I wonder if it would have been permissable to convertly take some pics on your phone and email to local law enforcement so that way they can arrive on the scene while you and he are still there?
yurmahm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they're gonna charge you too if you're in the US. That's how we roll...
What was that headline yesterday? Some high school kid sent a dickpic to his 22 year old teacher, and they charged the kid with production of child porn...
That's pretty fucked. Maybe just a strongly worded email then just describing the pics. Whatever it takes to get them there as soon as possible. How awful :-/
yurmahm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Locally (well, a town like 20 miles away) some high school girl took a picture of her snatch and sent it to her boyfriend, so he of course sent it to 9 other kids. They wanted to charge every single one of them with child pornography possession, regardless of their involvement in it. That tune changed when the media reported on what they were planning on doing. Instead all kids got in house and out of school suspension and no charges were filed.
They were ready to destroy 9 kids lives for something they literally had no culpable involvement in.
Consequently same scumbag department were one of the first ones to get a free MRAP from the government in that 1099 program. They pretty much use it for the sole purpose of raiding marijuana growers (they say their problem is heroin but the stats showed that they almost exclusively bust small time marijuana growers).
If you think about it, for every child pornography case someone needs to sit down and watch that shit to document it.
True heros.
If you think about it, for every child pornography case, somewhere a child was actually harmed beyond our comprehension. For the survivors who manage to grow up and cope with every day. Those. They are your true heroes.
vrtig0 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:28:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No argument. I am merely pointing out that if you look around these comments, there are a lot of folks who empathize with the mom for her actions, and here a lot of folks empathize with the LEOs.
There are relatively few for the victim, and the lack of ability to empathize with victims of child sexual abuse is part of the problem. One in 9 girls under 18 are victims of child sex abuse. (source.) And yet we identify more with the 'protectors'--- which I assure you is much fewer than 1 in 9 adults.
Until we are able to make the leap to empathize with the protectors and the survivors, they will be left out of the support system. And I'm thinking primarily of support for the adults who were former victims.
Warp__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking about it, at least for me, I have an easier time identifying with the mother because I really have no idea what it's like to be sexually assaulted by someone bigger and stronger than me.
Even my own wife was assaulted repeatedly as a child. When I read this, I went back to the stories she told me, how angry I was, and how I'd throw my life away to stop that from happening again.
I think we tend to go into protector mode when faced with stories like this, and I also think that most feel it goes without saying that we feel sympathy for the girl, (what psyco wouldnt) even though it should be said.
I am sorry about your wife's experience. She is a hero for surviving and getting through every day.
I really have no idea what it's like to be sexually assaulted by someone bigger and stronger than me
I think we actually underestimate ourselves. We have never stabbed anyone (I hope), and yet we can imagine doing so. I think we could also, with effort and some discomfort, imagine being a victim.
The other problem is our media--- there are plenty of stories (think of all the movies and books) out there about "heroes" who enact the revenge. There are not enough stories about survivors coping with the demons in their head every day. I think this does limit our ability to empathize and put ourselves in those stories. I'd encourage everyone to seek out those unusual stories and support them and promote them, so that more of us can learn to empathize with victims and survivors.
edit: And if it's uncomfortable, just remember that we adults have the option of going back to our nice, non-abused lives, and these children didn't. It's worth the effort to be uncomfortable for a few hours, if only to increase our empathy, imo. I also do believe that the discomfort and awareness lessens our impulse of denial (see the other chain here) when it happens to someone we love.
If you think about it, for every child pornography case, somewhere a child was actually harmed beyond our comprehension.
There have been 16 year olds and 17 year olds charged with child pornography for having pictures of themselves. These children were not harmed beyond our comprehension. Some jurisdictions count adults that look like children or depictions/descriptions of non-existent beings that resemble children as child pornography. No children were harmed beyond our comprehension in these cases as they did not involve children at all. If you're going to make technical points about how media affects our perceptions of things then I feel the need to point out that statements like these are over-simplistic.
Loocsiyaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, luckily for me our policy has changed and we have a dedicated department that goes over everything now so we just stop at the first image that we find.
That being said, I've sifted over tons of shit that wouldn't technically be classified as child porn yet but indicates it's coming up. i.e. Obviously young children in bikinis in suggestive poses etc.
Shit sucks, what the fuck is wrong with these people...
apolloxer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So does the defender.
In one case, the accused insisted on defending himself in order to review the evidence.
Aretz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my friends used to work in a team who would use the videos to find the perpetrators. She said that there was incredibly stringent rules with the handling of child pornography and it was really traumatic to do.
But they've done some amazing work. They've found people through photos in the background, natural light etc.
yurmahm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on with that. I found something out about that child porn investigator stuff.
There's this software they use, it masks ALL the pornography aspects in the photos using some form of heuristics. So you get these masked out photos that still show all the lovely background details in the images that are the bread & butter of photographic forensic examination without seeing the identity of the victim and without the victim having to think "oh no all these cops are looking at those pictures now too."
So no, a bunch of child porn investigators don't actually view the images in their entirety thus not re-victimizing the victim and not risking traumatizing the investigators.
It's actually a rather novel way of doing it because it allows LOTS of people to look at the images and help out with looking for evidence without putting the victims or investigators at risk. I'm pretty sure this systems been super effective at catching folks too.
How about the undercover officers who have to hang around these creeps to uncover pedofile rings. It would require an impossible amount of restraint not to just go on a murdering rampage.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse: The child pornography cases taken to the courts are only the people who have been caught. I would bet that there are proportionally MORE who don't get caught than those who do.
This is why one would be hard-pressed to meet a woman in their lifetime who has not been molested and/or raped at some point. It's a sickening truth about society.
Another commenter said 1 in 9 have been assaulted under the age of 18.
Little more than 10% of the women you meet. Gives me pause.
illy-chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A family member of mine knew someone who did just that for law enforcement. It really screwed her up - she'd randomly break down and start crying in public places because she'd see stuff or kids that/who reminded her of stuff from the videos. She eventually left the job - who could blame her?
I read an article a while back about the investigators whom handle child pornography here in Sweden describing their work. They said that they always had the videos on mute because hearing the sounds were unbearable. They also always had, if memory serves me correct, a therapist available that they could go and talk to whenever they needed.
I admire the people who decides and endure to investigate these kinds of crimes because I, as a father, would never be able to do it.
starhussy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worse: there are people who have to analyze and enhance those videos.
_Houser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who works as a computer forensic analyst for the police. He's not even been doing it a year and he's struggling with this exact issue.
They truly do have to sacrifice a part of their health to do the work.
Like that scene from True Detective where they have to watch the child sacrifice (probably rape and sacrifice) in case any of the people took off their masks.
That's obviously just a show but I can't imagine all the shit the police have to deal with.
I really hope one day that image recognition software advances to the point where it can make that job less of a pain for those investigators.
demeschor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That must be one of the most traumatising jobs in the world. Because it's not a one off and I'm assuming they'll never find the outcome of what happened to the victim. Awful
If I remember the NSA was working on a program to create hashes of known child pornography files available on the internet. Then if a hard drive gets searched, they can easily ID renamed files by the hash.
I wonder if that could have been used to allow jurors to say "I trust that the 1000 matches to known CP files is good enough for me" rather than having to sit through some of society's worst.
Zippo16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly people who investigate CP cases and videos usually only last for a couple years before it becomes too overwhelming. I couldn't do it for 30 seconds. Shit is fucked up yo
My uncle is in the FBI and routinely has to work child pornography cases. I can confirm there's several people required to look at every photo, watch every video. Multiple times.
Besides just documenting evidence, they're looking for anything to identify the victims in an attempt to find them. There's databases of images that are used to cross check for facial recognition. It's a sad sad fucked up thing to have to do, but he says it's worth it to do everything he can to help
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my profs' knows someone who does that. They would watch HOURS of that shit after a big bust to document it all. I don't know how they do it.
boogie414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right?! That's the stuff hell is made out of. I couldn't do it. Nope.
Facebook has the same problem. They have actual people trying to determine whether or not flagged videos need to be removed and there's been some seriously graphic/disturbing content that's sometimes resulted in these moderators getting PTSD. (source)
Have you seen the movie The Hunt with Mads Mikkelsen? A movie about an innocent man who is wrongly accused of molestation by his best friend's young daughter. She doesn't do it with malintent- she is just a child that made up a story.
Not saying I don't agree with you, just your comment reminded me of this movie- and the complexities of the situation especially when someone is wrongfully accused.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh that's what The Hunt is about. someone said The Hunt was tied with mother! for most infuriating movies they've ever seen and now i can absolutely see why
Vandechoz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why you can believe both "people who do X should die" and "we can never justify killing someone accused of doing X" without at all being a hypocrite.
Pixels256 ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No time for rational arguments - there's posturing to do! Quickly, tell me how badly you want another human being to suffer and be sure to tell me how he's not a human being and therefore deserves all the torture fantasies this comment section conjures up!
If any adult even LOOKS at a child they should be stung and have their skin peeled off. I'll do it of no one else will (I'm a real badass). /s
vasken ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That argument doesn't take into account the deterrent factor.
smonke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:55:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He talks about deterrence literally within one minute of that timestamp
monopanda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't expect people to listen to the whole point - come on now. ;-)
vasken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you missed the point I was making because you were too busy coming up with such a clever winky-face comeback.
Thanks for your input, though!
vasken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He talks about it in terms of deterring the escalation of the crime. As in... someone has already committed this crime, so they have nothing to lose from escalating to murder from... say littering.
What he does not talk about - and the entire point I was making - is the fact that a disproportionate punishment for littering could deter someone from littering to begin with.
For a real life example of this, see Singapore.
jwota ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are people upvoting because they disagree, or in spite of your command?
Fuck you for creating this paradox!
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'd prefer that because if they are later proven innocent they can be released from prison. If they're executed there's no undoing that injustice.
leevei ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:10:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should get therapy during very long time in prison. If they're mentally ill, they should be treated whether or not they want it. If someone would do that to my child, I might kill him/her, but I would expect to spend life in prison after that.
kare_kano ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:28:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to play devil's advocate here. It's not my argument, it's Robert Heinlein in "Starship Troopers". Similar situation, guy rapes and kills little girl. Gets public death by hanging.
Main character wonders if something else, like therapy, could've been tried instead. He decides no, for the following reasons:
We don't know enough about the human mind to be that good at it. We can't transform a person who is so far gone that thoroughly.
Assuming we could, assuming we manage to transform that person so they're now a wholesome individual. But that person still knows what they did, and everybody else knows. Would people forgive them? Would they forgive themselves? Hell no.
Death saves everybody time and grief and taxpayer money.
PS: In case anybody's wondering, Arthur Clarke described in "The Final Space Oddyssey" what a viable, thorough approach would entail: criminals convicted of grievous acts had their mind completely transformed, the memory of their act wiped, their appearance altered, spent time doing public service (menial tasks) while in a mentally reduced state (had their memory wiped of that too) then basically started fresh. Now that's SciFi.
Even though "Starship Troopers" is also SciFi, Heinlein was more focused on realistic solutions. He argued that people end up doing things like that because of bad influences and not having corrective feedback early enough, often enough, or harsh enough. He argues that slaps on the wrists are what eventually end up creating such monsters, and that society and parents should deal with these issues much earlier.
Capital punishment or not, the important thing is criminals know the consquences are so bad. Fixing someone, is up to them, society will never treat them same way again.
leevei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, not wanting capital punishment is mostly an ideological decision, and stuff like this makes me second guess myself. Still, who am I to take someones only life? As Eddard Stark says: "He who passes the sentence, should also carry it out."
I agree, that it should be addressed earlier. Pedophiles and other people who feel like sexual predators need to go to have therapy before they do anything criminal. They don't seek help, because it always leaks, and their lives are ruined.
It should be good thing they seek help, and people should not gossip about these things.
Right, and it frustrates me when I see comment sections like these. All these monstrous murder fantasies do is push people who need that help deeper into their own communities where they'll just confirm to themselves how they are "oppressed". In doing so, society at large carries at least some responsibility for the child abuse that comes out of that.
kare_kano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The award of a knighthood had been announced in the 1998 New Year Honours list,[14][51] but investiture with the award had been delayed, at Clarke's request, because of an accusation, by the British tabloid The Sunday Mirror, of pedophilia.[52][53] The charge was subsequently found to be baseless by the Sri Lankan police.[54][55] According to The Daily Telegraph (London), the Mirror subsequently published an apology, and Clarke chose not to sue for defamation.[56][57] Clarke was then duly knighted.
Death saves everybody time and grief and taxpayer money.
The death penalty is pretty damn expensive though. Also if you want a harsh punishment, life in prison is way worse than death, because
all of your time is wasted and after that you still die. Also if later it's found out that the person is actually innocent then you can actually at least attempt to unfuck the fuck up.
Would people forgive them? Would they forgive themselves? Hell no.
That sucks, but that is also a really shitty argument for a death penalty. No one will forgive him, so let's hang him. At the end of the day, what matters is public safety, and if that person has been made "safe" then there is no problem.
I've personally been to prison for an extended amount of time, and can say that while these pedophiles (all sex offenders, really) do receive "therapy" or "counseling" during their entire bid, a lot still return to the same behaviors and some come back with new sex charges. There is no cure. They should all be taken out back at the courthouse and shot in the head, execution style.
leevei ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure most pedophiles never act on their desire, so never spend time in prison. You never really heal from pedophilia, but you can learn not to act on it. Most people are sexually most active during 20-25 years, so just time alone makes it easier for them to resist themselves. If on top of that they receive good therapy, it is almost certain, that their hand is enough for them the rest of their life's.
I dont know the actual statistics on sexual criminals going back to their ways, but I don't buy your claim that "most do it again" without some study on the subject.
There have been many. Just look up sexual predators in your city or any and tick off how many are repeat offenders. I personally have never seen a sexual predator with less than two charges, except a 15 yr old who was on his second rape and attempted murder charge.
Pedophilia isn't a disorder that can be cured, it's a crime if acted upon.
leevei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people are sexually attracted to men, some to women, some to children. The last is called pedophilia. I'm pretty sure no one is convicted of pedophilia, but rather some act, like raping a child.
People will be sexually attracted to whatever is in front of them if they are morally depraved enough. Pedos arent attracted to children, they are attracted to the weakest vulnerable people in society which happens to be children.
leevei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are probably talking about different things.
I say, that pedophilia is an actual sexual orientation. That is a fact. Most pedophiles know that acting on their orientation is wrong.
You say, that most convicted child molesters just want to hurt the most vulnerable humans. That is also true.
There are studies about sexual orientations of child molesters. Most of them actually aren't pedophiles. Most of the time, they wanted to hurt the childs mother, and well, what would work better than that.
sedition- ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah fuck that, preying on children is the one thing I refuse to tolerate, anyone that does this deserves death, no redemption for garbage like that.
leevei ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you would tolerate a murder (of children), but not sexually assaulting children. Thats just fucked up. I'm not tolerating either, but usually death penalty is still suboptimal punishment.
Frixum ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:28:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with society is that people think all lives are precious when they are not.
If you hurt or rape children, your life should not be cherished. No ressources should go into rehabilitation. You are a danger to society and should be executed for the good of the people.
I'll rather take the unethical scientific torture/experimental approach.
For example in this case we study the man psyche then proceed to pump him full of untested drug to see if we cure the cancer we gave him.
leevei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On individual level I agree. But when we look at the entire society, we see that death penalty does in fact increase the number of crimes. That's why I don't want death penalty. We can also see that therapy decreases the number of repeated criminals, that is why it is a good thing. If the society has a good "safety net", where nobody needs to be a criminal for living, the cost of prison system os pretty low compared to the other costs of state.
Edit: meant to say decrease, and fixed it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:57:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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leevei ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the people abusing kids aren't doing it to make a living, they're doing it cause they're sick fucks. It's fundamentally different than somebody that robs somebody or even most murder cases.
leevei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that we can single out crimes like that. Where's the line going to be? If we are going to kill child molesters, we have to give death penalty for crimes that are objectively worse, that is, crimes where someone dies.
What are you on about? Who said they'd tolerate murdering children?
leevei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"is the one thing I refuse to tolerate". The the here refers to "the one and only". Without the the, it would be just one of things he doesn't tolerate.
You are being disingenuous with your line of attack.
First off, he says "preying on children is the one thing I refuse to tolerate". Clearly, cold blooded murder falls under the umbrella of 'preying on children'. Nonetheless, you use this to claim that /u/sedition- is somehow tolerant of killing children.
What's more, when someone uses a phrase like "the one thing I can't tolerate" in a colloquial setting, all parties involved understand that there are probably several other things that the person cannot tolerate. It's a manner of speaking, and only an asshole would literalize it in order to make someone look bad.
I'm sure /u/sedition- probably can't tolerate mass genocide or torturing pregnant mothers or kicking puppies, and you're just as aware of this as I am. But, your goal here obviously wasn't to give an honest rebuke to a statement. Your goal was to write a "gotcha" comment and get karma, whether or not it was honest.
When you find yourself losing arguments or not being taken seriously in real life, this is probably the reason.
leevei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was being sarcastic and took the message 'as is'. I know that he was not literal, neither was I. The last sentence of my message was honest, I think capital sentence is not the best punishment for anything.
And in this context I intepret preying to have sexual meaning, as the word is usually used for that.
You asked why I made those assumptions and I answered.
Edit: if I'm having an argument irl, I have to assume, that the opposing side means what he says, or ask for clarification. I don't really count for wins and losses, I hope that everyone learns something.
Edit2: I rather take upvotes than downvotes, but mostly I'm just bored and don't want to do stuff that are more important than arguing online.
I was being sarcastic and took the message 'as is'. I know that he was not literal, neither was I.
Okay that's bullshit and you know it. You said, "So you would tolerate a murder (of children), but not sexually assaulting children. Thats just fucked up." Nobody would reasonably interpret that as sarcasm. At least admit you were wrong instead of hiding behind "oooohhh no I was just being sarcastic lulz".
leevei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe sarcasm is a wrong word, but I'll elaborate. I meant to exaggarate what he said to make him see, that he is speaking loosely.
On the one hand the child feels pain up until they die relatively quickly. On the other hand they feel pain every time they get violated and it doesn't go away, staining relationships and damaging their psychological health until they die years later. Yea one of those is worse than the other
leevei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other is definitely permanent ending of life, other leaves a big mark to ones life, but usually doesn't suck all happiness out of life. I think the first is worse.
bsouth16 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way. Have an upvote instead. Fuck those people. They truly don't deserve to be alive in my eyes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He must have been such a pain in the ass.
nirvroxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are completely correct. They should. In the worst way possible, or throw them into prison general population without guard protection.
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry... had to upvote. I'm strongly against child abuse.
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry... had to upvote. I'm strongly against child abuse.
Alit_Quar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Not because of justice or revenge or to deter others, but simply because they will never do it again. If it does deter others, which I doubt in most cases, even better.
thratty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but downvoted you out of compliance
Agys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Things can be difficult for everyone involved in different ways. Just because it was horrific for the people who experienced it doesn't mean it wasn't awful to have to watch or listen to. This isn't an either/or scenario.
Big_Porky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't act like your not gonna close reddit then open Instagram or Facebook 5 minutes later.
AfriQ ยท 1264 points ยท Posted at 15:37:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck man. Sorry that you have to deal with this shit . Hope you take time for yourself to cleanse yourself after swimming with the filth out there. Thank you for your service and take care .
idkfams ยท 933 points ยท Posted at 15:44:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I appreciate it. I took the day off today to reflect. So I'm taking the GF to the zoo.
There is no conflict between being tough and liking otters. Or giant anteaters, or baby elephants, or whatever puts you in the good place :)
dyopopoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:00:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if i were rich , and not from a third world country, i'd send you an otter.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, thanks.
chuzachu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem like a good cop. Please don't quit and please don't turn into a bad cop. Reddit needs you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love otters
I'd be worried if you didn't
ikahjalmr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes real strength to endure hardship and retain your humanity. The fact that you can do what you do and still maintain a soft side is true toughness
mk4_wagon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Otters are awesome, but for me I have to add penguins too. That's all I need to see at zoo to make me happy.
Well, the otter at our zoo spends most of his time swimming on his back and jerking off.
mhpr262 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:15:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to tell you, but in the wild otters are notorious for raping baby seals to death, and continuing to fuck their corpses for many days. Male otters also often kill female otters during the mating act, by drowning them (not "intentionally", I assume)
AfriQ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:01:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great to hear it! Besides itโs always easier to look after others when you look after yourself . Enjoy the zoo!
i hope you have someone to talk to about the shit you see out there. It gets to you man. And you gotta have someone you trust on the outside to let it all out.
I think it would be a good job for someone with Aspergers or a condition where they truly can't feel damaged in any way. If someone could just clinically detach themselves and meticulously go through evidence, that would be close to ideal in a horrible situation.
BelCifer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aspergers here, i'm pretty sure i can feel damaged in all the possible ways. That being said, i wish i could help the fuck out of these childs and their families
That came out wrong, wow. Forgive me. I am sure you live a rich, emotional life. Reading my comment back, it comes across as completely idiotic. I wrote it in a hurry this morning. Let me try to be more clear.
There are many doctors that have Aspergers, partially because of their ability to separate their emotional life from the task at hand. This in no way implies that a doctor with Aspergers is a fucking robot. On the contrary, I imagine someone like yourself with Aspergers has a rich emotional life and occasionally finds it difficult to emotionally connect with some people who seem to feel/do things at a different pace than feels right for you. What I'm trying to get at is 1) I am so, so sorry for how my comment reads. I assure you that I don't think those with Aspergers are somehow incapable of feeling emotion or less human or some godawful thing and 2) This aside, some people with Aspergers really excel in some areas. Perhaps one of these areas might be forensics, etc. where they might analyze a video of child abuse and be able to see things that someone else couldn't if they were capable of emotional detachment
I seriously feel shitty for how my comment came across.
Sorry, man/woman.
BelCifer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are a parent, see these tips on how to safeguard your child starting from toddlerhood. My best friend was once that 2 year old, and all of their children know how to talk about their genitalia accurately and who is allowed to do what.
children know how to talk about their genitalia accurately and who is allowed to do what.
It's great that it helps with this, and also it's super useful if they need to describe any discomfort at the doctor's office or teaching basic personal hygiene too. A kid who knows her butt from her vagina is going to have it easier than one who calls both "Bum bum".
The other ones are pretty sensible and I might've missed them ("prefers hanging out with kids over people their age", "Asks adult partners to dress or act like a child or teen during sexual activity") and then the looks at cp one lol as if it wasn't obvious.
crazyprsn ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Father of two kids here. I really don't want this to be true. I want the kid to be mistaken, or the wife to be lying, or something. Fuck, my brain wants to deny this, but I know that some people do fucked up things.
BigbooTho ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 17:04:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question, I wonder if that's why so many rape victims get a slew of shit from randos. They don't want it to be true.
jups2709 ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 17:10:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very common for people close to the victim to downplay or not believe the victim about assault because they don't want it to be true. I'mโ not sure if random people necessarily have a similar reaction but it's possible.
Fuck the opinion of random people, try to imagine coming across a statement like this. A single line from your child's mouth which changes everything. forever. No wonder the initial reaction is denial.
Yeah, and that denial can be a hugely negative force too. It's a big part of victim shaming, of isolating and dissociating with those who have been hurt. It's done to protect a person's perspective who is unprepared to merely accept the fact that bad shit happens. Nevermind someone has been really damaged and needs help, the fact that it doesn't align with how we might want to see the world drives some people to deny. Fucking awful.
I feel like the most effective way to get past that kind of denial is to realize the world didn't change- your perspective of it was wrong. The actions you take after having that perspective changed is what separates the good from the bad.
The more people understand the power of perspective and how ignorance can be just as bad as compliance, the quicker we help those in need heal and persecute those who are truly evil. Until then we'll be living in the fantasy that others are desperate to propagate.
The most effective thing would be for people to take action and not deny it. Unfortunately cognitive dissonance is a much more powerful force than reason.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we should just accept that the person uttering the line is correct and not weigh the possibility of denial? This sounds worse than having a force of denial.
Well... the way I see it is that the media needs to keep their heads out of these cases until a verdict is reached and people's perspectives do not need to be made until facts are established.
If a person is falsely accused? He/she can become ostracized and lose everything despite doing nothing. In the reverse, a person is permanently damaged.
By allowing every person to openly say that someone did something to them without any repercussion would result in many lives being ruined, while the reverse would allow crime to fester and lives to be damaged. It's a tricky game to play.
Can confirm: was 10 when I finally had the courage to tell my mother about what had happened. She didn't believe me so I kept quiet about it. Five years later I couldn't keep it to myself much longer and it came out again in an argument one day then she kicked me out. Homeless at fifteen years old - wahoo! They divorced about 7 years later (he's in jail now) when it became apparent that the same thing had happened to both of my sisters. Of course, no one in her social circle knew, he just never attended any occasion with her because he was "at home sick."
I will say however that when my older sister (the last of us three to disclose) came out and told our mother about it - after years of calling me a liar, herself - she made this whole big deal about how betrayed etc she was and that she'd really appreciate "a hug right now".
Really? You'd like a hug? I would like my childhood and teenage years back. Oh, and parents who aren't pedophilic sickos or enablers of them. They had the nerve to take an intervention order out on ME when I first was kicked out saying bullshit like they were afraid that I was a threat to my younger siblings and that I'd "been angry with [my father] for years and that they didn't know why".
Ridiculous situation. I didn't realise how messed up it was for years afterwards.
That is absolutely infuriating. I hope that she feels fucking terrible and is just too ashamed to say it, but maybe that'd be too much justice to hope for in this world. I hope you have better people around you now and that you can have a happy life
And by the same token, if they know the rapist they definitely don't want it to be true because they don't want a friend to be capable of doing something like this.
Had this happen where someone I knew very well was assaulted by a friend and all of the victim's friends turned against her and assumed she was making it up and trying to slander the guy, despite the medical examinations she had and whatnot.
jups2709 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:58:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a similar experience. My biological father sexually abused my older sister (his stepdaughter) when she was 7. This all came out when my sister was an adult but I immediately believed her, no questions. I worshiped that man but once she told.me what happened I was done with him. His side of the family, however, didn't believe my sister at all. I ended up never speaking to a lot of my family again because I chose to believe her instead of the known liar. So yeah what you said is very true. People don't want to believe they could know someone capable of something horrible.
Not always the case. I'm from India. The apartments I stay recently had a incident of sexual assault. So there's this boss who decided to host a party and had invited this woman who is about 24 and a married man about the age of 40 who both work under him . This guy took charge of mixing the drinks and apparently spiked it and knocking the fuck out of everyone at the party. He dropped his wife back home and went back to the boss's house where this female was passed out in one of the bedrooms. Next morning she was found in a towel with no clothing. She clearly remembers being assaulted sexually and had the full support of her friends and family to take legal action against that asshole. The guy didn't even deny what he did and said it was mutual. His wife supported him claiming he couldn't do such a thing. The woman who was assaulted was too scared to press charges and dropped the issue. The boss who hosted , the guy and the girl involved were asked to vacate. This fucker was also caught for having an underage girl as a maid in his house. And he is now free without any consequences and is probably searching for the next victim. Such is life. It sucks.
Also the "Just World hypothesis." I've been sexually assaulted and even my very best friends hit me with the, "What were you wearing? You must have done something to encourage him!"
I was 19, it was the middle of the day, and a middle aged man who reeked of whiskey literally just walked by, grabbed me, and dragged me down the sidewalk and started stuffing me in his car. There was a little more to it but the last time I gave detail, I got a bunch of messages from guys telling me how hot it was reading about my sexual assault. Hence a new account.
But I just can't conceive of hearing that and thinking, "It was probably what she was wearing!"
So why on earth would people who cared about me immediately ask that?
Because it's reassuring to believe that bad things are preventable if you just follow a strict set of rules, or that bad things only happen to bad people.
BigbooTho ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:35:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You did nothing to deserve any of that. I can't express how sorry I am. And I'm sorry you were assaulted by internet freaks.
I even went back in and added "it was the middle of the day" because previously people have asked if I was out at like 2 am. You're an internet stranger and I want to make it clear to you that I didn't deserve it, even though of course even being out at 2 am, I wouldn't deserve it.
This shit is hardwired.
crazyprsn ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:24:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I believe so. I think it's a form of societal denial so that we can defend ourselves against some of the disgustingly harsh and traumatizing realities of human existence. We sublimate it to other areas like violent video games, pornography, action movies, etc so that we can have it in a sugar coated pill form that makes it easier to swallow these things we all know exist in the primal areas of our brains.
You can even see it in some of the comments here - "this makes me physically ill" especially in the comment I replied to. It makes that commenter (and myself) physically ill because it is a traumatic story and most of us have empathy that causes us to also feel a portion of that trauma. What do people do naturally when we experience trauma? Mentally we dissociate and throw up psychological defenses to try and remove it from ourselves the best we can because that's how we protect our sanity. That's how we cope.
That's all okay, too. Without that we'd all be bashing our heads into walls. The trick is this - we need to question ourselves and why we want to say certain things, like "I bet she's lying." Why? Why do we want to say that? Sure, she could be and that'd be awful, but obviously the most awful situation is the one we're defending against - which is the one that results in the child being molested.
Sorry for the long comment. I'm an LPC so it's easy to get me rolling on this.
It isn't just that they "don't want it to be true" but it also has to do with wanting to believe that they can stop bad things from happening to themselves.
If the victim did something identifiably "wrong," then you can prevent yourself from becoming a victim of a horrible crime by not doing That Thing. It doesn't actually work that way, but many parents - and people in general - want to protect kids and young women from being attacked.
That feeling of helplessness is something we all desperately want to avoid. By finding fault with the victim, we "know better" and "know" how not to become victims ourselves, or what advice to give others who should also do or not do specific Things to not become victims.
I've known multiple men who say they actively do not want to believe rape happens at all and that statistically it is likely they have friends who have engaged in the act of sexually assisting another person. So yeah, it's probably part of it.
Yeah. People grapple on to the very small percentage of false rapes and just assume that every girl is lying as their default stance and it's disgusting. Rape victims (women and men) have a hard enough time getting justice or being believed as is...but if you ever see a news article about it happening there are hundreds and hundreds of people just slut shaming them and giving them death threats, etc.
The just world fallacy is a really strong force. People never want to think that something so heinous could happen to them. It must be something the victim did that got them raped. Something I could avoid doing and thus keep myself safe. Admitting that sometimes really fucked up shit happens to good smart intelligent people who do everything right is hard to swallow.
That's exactly what it is, for that and for every other complaint most victims and minorities have. It's easier for people to tell themselves those people are lying or exaggerating than to accept that terrible things like that happen.
I was three when I was first assulted. I don't know if the wife was lying, but I honestly doubt it. This sadly happens far too often, and when you're that young, you don't know what's going on enough to communicate it to get help. In my case, I also blocked it out until it was triggered, in my late teens. I still don't remember much, though apparently Ive disassociated and given very flat, emotionless descriptions of other time it's happened.
It happened to me as well. For nearly ten years actually. When it stopped (abuser moved away), I blocked it out so thoroughly that I can't remember even a lot of good things that happened in my childhood. My parents will say, "You remember that time...". Nope. I don't.
My trigger happened in my early 20's. It's not that I ever forgot that it happened, but I had so many walls and blocks up that it sat in the back of my mind without hurting or without me remembering the details. Then the trigger happened and all the bad came rushing forward. The memories were vivid, so vivid you could feel them.
I did not deal with it very well on my own. I started drinking heavy, cutting, all sorts of out out of control self destructive behavior (except sex - that... I couldn't do that). I never told my parents, but I got help from a therapist thanks to the urging of my friends.
But whenever I've mentioned to people about the blocking things out so completely for years, I've been called a liar. A lot of people really don't believe you can experience something so traumatic that you actually can throw up mental barriers and blocks because it hurts too much to remember and relive.
Also, I hate that the word "trigger" in this context has been perverted the way it has. Actual triggers unleashing actual pain exist.
Yeah, all I really had was the first time as a vague memory of hiding from him and being afraid, and feeling sick whenever he would play around with the other kids. I've also dealt with all the symptoms of PTSD for pretty much my whole life, so luckily for me things didn't get worse when I remembered snippets of what happened. I still don't remember much, and I don't think I want to. I developed a binge eating disorder as a kid, and only started escaping the grip of that... Three years ago?
If it makes you feel any better, this random stranger on the internet believes both you and in you. :c. Lots of hugs if you like those.
And my partner is a therapist, and the use of the word "triggered" the way trolls and whiny children use it is a huge part cause of his. He was physically abused and has PTSD from how bad his earlier childhood was, and it's like no, I'm not triggered, and you can tell my the fact I'm here and replying to you and not disassociated in the corner wondering who the person looking at me through the mirror is. :/
amyslays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also have PTSD from what happened to me as a child. It didn't dawn on me until I got a bit older what was happening.
I am sorry you went through that. And thank you for sharing.
Well, one of the things I noticed is all of us feel very alone. But we're not. There are so many who have, not the same experiences, but the same pain, the same hurt, the same loss of self that comes from being violated in such a way. But we are alive, we're making it, and we need to know we all are here. So I share, when I can. If it can help one person, then it's worth the time.
Getting my diagnosis was honestly one of the best thing I could have done. I felt less guilty for taking my meds, I felt less broken; something WAS wrong. To feel like I was lesser for feeling the way I was would be like being mad I couldn't stand on a leg someone ran over with a car.
I hope you've been able to get at least started on your healing. It can be one of the hardest things to start addressing, but you can do it :)
Internet hugs for you friend, if you like those.
amyslays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. I mean I was 7 at the time, didn't dawn on me until my pre teen years what was really going on. It's still there cause it won't just disappear but I had done counseling as a child and was diagnosed A.D.D. and with depression. I still have bouts of depression but I have generalized anxiety disorder on top of PTSD and it (anxiety)has been getting worse but at a slow rate. So I've already healed, but its still an awful memory. I have a degree in psychology and sociology now. I find psych quite interesting and it helped me to study it.
Thanks for the internet hug! (:
crazyprsn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:33:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. It' happens far too often, even if it happened to one child in the entire world - only one - it would be one too many.
From one human to another, I'm sorry that happened. If you're not already, I would encourage finding a professional to talk to. They may be able to help you sort these things out. I've found that they can help loosen some knots in places we didn't know were there.
Thank you, and you're right. I've been seeing a therpist who specializes in child abuse for years, and she's worked wonders for my mental state. A good therapist you click with is worth their weight in gold, honestly. I have a good support network, because sadly almost the entirety of my partner's family, and my own mother, have gone through sexual assult as well. And frankly, I couldn't let him win. I failed out of school the first time it all came to light, and I refuse to let him destroy this part of me too. I'm now in school in a medical field, so I can be of help to others when they need someone.
And, well, he's dying of pancreatic cancer. His wife, who contributed to my PTSD by saying it was my fault, is completely disabled and partially paralyzed after a car accident, so he's spending the ending of his life caring for someone permanently out her mind on painkillers while in pain and suffering himself. Karma happens. Sometimes it takes longer than a mother with a knife, but it happens. :)
I'm 32. My mom (who I still keep in contact with, though she lives a country away) and I both suspect that I might have been assaulted as a kid, possibly by a babysitter, for reasons that I don't want to get into publicly. For what it's worth, I had a pretty traumatic childhood to begin with, it wasn't until I was 13 that I was finally diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum, and until that point my mom and I were constantly locked in a legal battle against a school district that wanted nothing more than to stick me in Sped classes due to issues with outbursts.
The problem is, my memory of my childhood is like Swiss cheese. I can remember various random things with crystal clarity, yet I can't for the life of me remember other things, and in particular I have zero memory of any kind of assault, just lingering symptoms that as an aggregate point to it having occurred.
So, since you're seeing a therapist, maybe you can enlighten me: Exactly what good could a therapist do if I can't even remember certain traumas that occurred? I've battled autism, depression, alcoholism, and an explosive temper (despite being an outwardly friendly and gregarious guy 99.9% of the time) for years, yet I don't bother seeing a therapist because I'm not sure what help they could give me. Compounding it is my suspicion that a therapist in Sweden wouldn't be able to put himself or herself in the mindset of an American. There's so much nuance to growing up in Country A that I wouldn't expect a therapist from Country B to be of much use.
What do?
Edited to add: I don't Reddit too much, I mostly just lurk, so if you intend to send me a PM, do so on Twitter or Telegram instead (I have the same username).
crazyprsn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:38:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the person you asked, but I have a couple points to toss your way.
a competent therapist will be aware of social and cultural difference, and attempt to integrate those into treatment
much of therapy can span across cultural lines (especially western cultures)
Sweden is to counseling psychology what silicon valley is to technology
a therapist can help address the uncertainties you have about your memories and explore to see if there's anything that could be processed to improve your life. If not, then you're not obligated to continue treatment.
It might be beneficial to try despite your concerns. Therapists are held to ethical standards to help and not harm.
crazyprsn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing. There is good in the world, and that is you. You're a new beginning, and that can make a mountain of difference from your family to the whole world. Live that good life :)
That's why people don't believe rape victims. He's a "nice guy", and you're just an opportunistic slut taking advantage of him.
No. He's not.
No, I wasn't.
Yes, it was rape. And no, I don't have to justify what I was wearing, where we were, or when I said no. I will tell you that it was getting a ride home from church youth group, I was wearing jeans, a t-shirt from my high school, and a sweatshirt from same high school, and as soon as he tried to kiss me I said no. And then it got worse, and he was a foot taller, and about 100 pounds heavier than me.
So no, he's not a nice guy, I wasn't his first victim, and probably wasn't his last, but who were they supposed to believe, the upstanding youth group leader or the teenage girl, hysterically sobbing, while her parents comforted her?
the same kind of person that thinks the baby lying on the changing station with her diapers is trying to seduce him.
makes me physically ill that there are people like that.
What kind of monster? The average person. 2 is also the age I was when my father let a friend of his molest me. These 'monsters' are not monsters, they're blended in, average people.
nirvroxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. My kid is about to turn 2. I would do anything in the world to keep her safe. The thought of her own father, the man that is supposed to be her protector doing this just boggles my mind.
Dalze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was my reaction as well, being a father of a 4 year old. The urges to take matters into my own hands was ridiculous and I seriously felt broken hearted....at that point, that thing (the father) can no longer be consider a human being.
TammyK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a parent and I feel like I'm going to puke after reading that too ): that poor little girl and mother
Ughhh. Got a kid about that age. I work with kids ... can't even begin to imagine.
What do you guys do in a sutuation like that? Ultimately it's her word against his probably?
Did she have her kid with her at that time? Is it kidnapping if she would have stood there with her kid refusing to let the dad anywhere near it?
Ugghhh. Sorry man. What a job you have. Do you get any kind of counselling to deal with stuff like this?
idkfams ยท 1177 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Case gets transferred to special victims. I'm in domestic violence. Kid gets interviewed on camera so does dad. He gets charged. If he fesses up then smooth sailing from there if he denies then he's going to get charged and the courts decide. Everyone gets their day in court. Mom was with kid and faked like she was taking her to daddy's house so she can get more out of the kid and the kid went ballistic. You know, like when they don't want to eat something but 10 times worse. And no it's not kidnapping you have the right to protect the interest of you and your family and any other human that's in immediate danger. Yeah we get offered to take time off and self care all the time. But shit like that never really leaves you.
If it even gets that far. When you have a young, young child, unless there is hard evidence, many cases don't even get to prosecution. It's a fucked up system.
Edit: my comment posted like twenty times. Sorry.
Also, prosecution rates for child sex crimes are under 5% of all reported. You know those stories of women who make up awful shit to ruin someone's life? Yeah, those are extremely rare. But the stigma negatively affects those who actually have legitimate allegations. A great deal of abuse can occur without any physical evidence.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 19:41:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can easily check facts. I don't need to do your legwork for you. If you live your life thinking that your understanding of the facts is inherently right no matter what, you're not going to get very far.
Thanks for doing your job. I know cops get a lot of crap but damn, you do so much good.
idkfams ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 15:43:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, really appreciate it.
Idobro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:10:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm beginning my journey as a teacher now, thanks for helping those who can't help themselves. I can't imagine the toll it can take on a person but I'm glad there is people out there doing the good fight.
Seriously take time to self care. I know most leo's want to be tough, but a reset or a break can do a lot of good. My dad was a federal agent and some of the stories he's told me will always stick with me.
sooondae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish the best for you. Please take care.
antabr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely appreciate everything you do and I hope all of the other cops who have to deal with this understand that.
It's nice to see this sentiment on reddit. The anti-cop train is usually pretty effective here.
Don't get me wrong, there are shitty cops. Which most cops will probably agree with wholeheartedly. But I think that there are more good cops than bad cops, and that most people get into the job to help people, not to hurt them.
It's also important to remember these are different situations. I'd be completely shocked if even a corrupt police officer who strangles innocent adults wouldn't help a child.
I got in a scary situation once and called the cops. I mean, I live somewhere where it's rare to be in scary situations and where it's normal to call the cops when you are in one. I'm lucky.
I also have a penpal who is a US prisoner, in for gang related murder. That's a whole different situation, how he grew up and what 'scary' and 'cops' meant there.
We're all people in the end ya know? We all try.
Xpolg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those who blame have completely forgotten why we have police in the first place
drot525 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. More time policing this shit and the harder to catch real crime and less time doing bullshit ticketing and low hanging fruit pot busts just to prove cops are doing "something." I don't care if ya'll sit around the station like firefighters, that when the real crime goes down ya'll are on it like a three alarmer. Fill the prisons with the assholes who truly deserve to be there; the violent and the thieves, including and especially fraudsters.
Wafer4 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:54:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work with the victims. The amount of times the people can be successfully charged is ridiculously small. If he pleas not guilty, the kid will be lucky if she isn't forced into doing visitation with him. So many kids are forced to visit. :( I wish I had more faith in our legal system. I'm not anti-cop by any means - most are working their asses off trying to do the right thing - but I understand the anger behind black lives matter protesters. The legal system fails too often.
Worked in a hospital not a dr/nurse... Firefighter killed on duty. I'm on call. 10 yr old daughter scream-crying over her dad's bloody body "I want my daddy, someone bring back my daddy" .... Yeah certain things never ever leave your brain
I can't even imagine what the poor folks in Special Victims have to deal with. I couldn't do it. I'd end up crying myself to sleep every night. That shit is fucking disturbing.
I'm so sorry that happened to you and your son. It's awful when there isn't a right answer. Too many victims go without justice. But sometimes the accused is actually the victim. How do we know in these situations? It's so fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you are moving on. You are clearly the bigger person doing what's best for your child, including allowing his mom to remain in his life.
If there were consequences to lying like that it would certainly help. And the consequences should be just as serious as the consequences are for whatever crime you're false accusing someone else of. It's terrible.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:46:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes in custody battles the money should definitely not play a roll.
I guess maybe not equal, but it depends on the crime. It has to be enough to discourage false accusations. But then again it also scares victims from coming forward. What if everyone thinks they are lying when they actually are the victim? People just suck.
Ptyrell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was my understanding that you couldn't really get much out of a forensic interview with anyone younger than three. And even then I think they have to be able to testify on the stand. So not sure what would happen in a case like this...
I work with at risk youth and the stuff they've been thru breaks my heart. I feel ya. But our jobs someone's gotta do it. And pls always remember it's helping.
god I remember the camera interview I had to do. They had these anatomically correct stuffed dolls and I had to do with them what my neighbor did to me on camera. I remember very little else besides the color of the carpet in the room, how it was dark and only I was lit, and the dolls were soft and stuffed.
If you're on the front lines putting a stop to this and you're not the ones entitled to sleep easy then something is wrong =\ I wish your knowledge of doing good could let you rest. Sorry Fran
Lots of young kids experiencing sexual abuse are unable to communicate what's happening to them until they get to kindergarten or preschool and learn about appropriate touching. Parents need to have that talk with their kids much earlier than that. If you wait until the kid acts out and causes you to ask direct questions, you'll probably have waited quite a while.
dyopopoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i get depressed thinking that right this instant, someone is being taken advantage of. and the worst part is, they don't understand what's happening..
I didn't know about what incest was until I came across it in a teen mag around age 15. I was shocked at the idea that a parent could be a "trusted adult".
It's true. Seemed to happen relatively frequently when I was in the military. Every once in a while someone would disappear from the workforce. People start to notice after a few days.
"Where's X? Been a few days."
"Word on the street, they caught him with a shitload of kiddie porn."
"what the FUCK man! doesn't that dude have a few kids!?!?"
"Yup."
I recall a few 'to catch a predator' type situations too. Guys driving across the state to fuck 13 year olds they met online. Thank God for vigilant parents.
flandall ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked in Children and Family Services. Heard too many stories like that. That mother cared enough to defend her daughter. What drove me out was the mother that blamed her 13 year old daughter. Mom kept the whacked out scumbag that did it and threw the 13 year old out of the home.
Had a similar situation back when I volunteered for an organisation that gives advice on peoples rights. Mother cones in and says her daughter accused her stepfather of sexual abuse. I'm sitting there thinking holy shit go to the police.
Turns out the abuse happened over 15 years ago, and the daughter as an adult went to the police, there was a trial, and the stepfather was jailed.
And the mother wanted to know if it could be appealed on the basis that social services had never found evidence of abuse when it was going on.
The lack of knowledge of how appeals work would have been depressing enough without a mother siding with a man convicted of abusing her daughter.
Ten years in law enforcement here. As a female deputy, I feel like I had every sexual assault or child abuse call that came out during my career. Please take care of yourself, that shit takes a toll and there's very little actual support for LEOs in dealing with it. I'm glad you took a day off to go to the zoo,
idkfams ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I rarely develop a look of disgust from reading comments, but this one did it. People take for granted the type of shit they don't have to be subjected to - police, firefighters, hospitals, etc. see/hear a lot of shit - and the worse thing of all is that in a lot of cases, you need to maintain a composure of neutrality and professionalism.
I simply cannot fathom how anyone could do that to a two year old.
Rawflax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone did it to him when he was about that young, most likely. And the damage is done - most likely this little girl, when she grows up, will be attracted to men like her father. It's likely the mother in this case suffered trauma as well. This stuff rarely happens in a vacuum. Healthy people don't molest kids.
Why would she be attracted to men like his father? At 2 years old does the Brain really work like that?? How does that even work? The father will be arrested and her mother is basically going to paint him as the most despicable human being imaginable... why would she be attracted to people like him after that?
This is fucked up wtf this whole thing is beyond my comprehension... Id have an easier time understanding if suddenly the zombie apocalypse happened
Rawflax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty well-documented by smart & more educated than myself, but basically trauma that happens at a very early age triggers a switch. Babies and small children are like sponges; what happens to them at that age vastly matters. This did permanent damage to this poor girl.
Of all thimgs the internet has desensitized me on, this is one I cant handle. It makes my blood boil when people take commit sick acts like this. To a point I don't care if it happened to you as a child and you're trauma response is to do it to others, you shoudl be shot.
Theres hardly anything more psychologically detrimental to a child than sexual abuse. The trauma it can cause and after math piled into one is something I could never wish on anyone
idkfams ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed 100%.
dromton ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:14:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, well that's enough internet for today. I'll see you all tomorrow. Maybe.
Thank you for believing her. As a victim of sexual assault as an adult and molestation as a small child, so many people don't report because of the fear of not being believed. I know there are good cops, because I have encountered them. I also know that there are bad cops, because I have encountered them. The problem I have always had when deciding whether or not to report, was that I knew it was going to be a total roll of the dice as to whether I got a good cop or a bad cop. I can think of probably ten other women and men I know who are the victims of child molestation, attempted rape, rape, and sexual assault. Of all those people I know, only the attempted rape by a stranger was reported. It was caught on camera at a bus station. I know he attempted it at least twice again in my city and they never caught him. It was only followed up on once. It's really disheartening, I think its important that people in law enforcement make the process less traumatizing for the victims and that more victim services be offered.
ShaynePC ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:24:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to thank you for what you do. This stuff just breaks my heart. I'm a senior in college and I'm realizing that as much as this kind of thing destroys me I want to go into law enforcement or a similar area so I can do something to protect kids. They are the most innocent and defenseless; they deserve to be happy and healthy. IDK where I'll end up but if I can help them the way you do it will be something.
This probably seems silly to you, this being reddit and all, but I want you to know I'll be praying for you to and your situation.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a therapist who has spent a large portion of my career working with child sexual assault victims I want you to know you have the harder job.
I have had very in depth conversations with these children and their parents, but nothing is as hard as the rare moments when current abuse is disclosed.
It's raw and gut-wrenching. As a therapist we have immense training around self care and how to protect ourselves mentally from all that we hear. But in those fresh moments, you are literally being vicariously traumatized through their stories. It's a serious experience a something that we take very seriously in the therapy world.
I wish law enforcement was offered this same courtesy and training. And know it's complicated, and I know they are getting better wit putting some stuff in place here and there. But these experiences are more than disturbing, they are very serious and deserve to be treated as such.
Long story short, thank you for doing what you do and thank you for feeling that mothers pain.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even touch this one. I've been making jokes here on comments but this is fucked. It was even hard to read. I just imagine the mother saying something like "where did you learn that silly" and trying to play it off, and just going into shot as the kid explains. Damn
tarlton ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who's a crimes-against-children detective. That's all he does, every day. I honestly don't know how he stays sane.
liquidpig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm done with Reddit for the day.
Qinistral ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck. I wish I didn't even read that.
Coos-Coos ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had a girlfriend when I was 14 confess to me about her 21 year old cousin who had been raping her repeatedly for over a year. She told me every detail of how she had basically been groomed and taught that it was okay, up to the worst instances of violence. I will never be the same. I just wanted to be there for her to have someone to talk to about it, but now I'm probably fucked up for life. Especially when you hear that from someone you care about, that shit fucks with you man.
idkfams ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had an ex do the same all I could do is be there for her. Her fucking uncle man.
Jesus Christ. I'm literally trying not to cry over here.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people like that even exist? And to your own daughter? What kind of fucking sicko does shit like this?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have a relative who files stuff like this in corrections. It can be difficult sometimes for them to read because this happens more often than we think
sanzo2402 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a sister who has been trying to have a baby for 7 years now. She has bordered depression because of this, went through intense inferiority complex phases and pretty much been unhappy with herself for years because of this. Her husband is even worse. They try to cheer each other up but it's been hard and even though I don't live with them, I can see and feel it everytime I'm with them. When I read stories like this, I don't understand how such monsters were blessed with a baby and people like my sister who would live and die for their child are not. It's so unfair.
I'm all for due process and don't think police should be able to do whatever they want, but fuck, this type of thing makes me wish for the "bad cop" shit you see in movies.
You know, he "fell down the stairs" on the way to the interrogation room kind of thing.
idkfams ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:07:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happens if that makes you feel better lol. Oh boy, it does.
elbenji ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That kinda does make me feel better? Like get their due process but, Dirty Harry just a bit
Oh thank god, I feel a lot better. I mean, if there is any doubt to a person's guilt or innocence I'd be less happy about that. But some of these cases, everyone knows this fuck is guilty.
The problem with this kind of thing is you never know when the wife is just trying to get rid of the husband, so they have a motivation to lie to the police. Not saying this is the case here but this is the problem with the whole "fell down the stairs on the way to the interrogation room" that you're talking about. Take the law into your own hands and you might end up hurting the true victim.
But remember, part of the point of that 'due process' is that some people, regardless of how much your gut tells you they're baby-raping scumbags, didn't actually do what they're accused of. Statistically speaking, how many child molesters need to get beaten up to make it worth beating up one innocent guy along with them? What would you tell that innocent guy afterwards?
Animal abusers? Yeah it's a horrific crime but come on?! Murderers, PEOPLE WHO TAKE LIVES AWAY FROM OTHER PEOPLE AND HARM DOZENS OF OTHERS. So many more disgusting crimes and yet a domestic animal being abused is at the top of your list? Again, it's a fucking woeful crime but there are so many other crimes that are more awful than this. Sorry about this mini-rant, just need to let off steam.
People are generally pieces of shit, of course it's a fucking tragedy when someone is killed, but taking the life of an innocent animal 1/3rd your size at best just to get off? I dont mean that murder is okay, but it's sickening that someone can get a power trip over killing animals, because those are the same people that will start doing the same to humans.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:29:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that is no doubt awful if he really did do these things. But as law enforcement, its important that you don't do things like discuss it with colleagues casually and hope he gets thrown off a roof. It's your job to facilitate the process of Justice. Not dispense it.
What if the woman who came in the police department is simply mad at her husband or wants a divorce or any other million reasons a woman could be mad at her spouse. What if she decides to put on a show in the police department lobby. Now every cop is incapable of impartially facilitating Justice. It might even make you guys mad enough to abuse your power and think it's okay because he is obviously a "bad" guy.
This happened two days ago so it's obviously an open investigation. How about you guys keep investigating and let the court system decide if he indeed does deserve to be thrown off a roof.
Seeing someone commit a crime is one thing. Hearing a tale from a hysterical woman is another.
Lulyoutop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is beyond comprehension, but locking this man up or killing him aint gunna solve shit. Unless you get him into treatment and learn about these individuals, it will never end
Sw0rDz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do you not go bat shit crazy? Are there even counselors or psychologist that specialize with coping for such things? I would not have the strength to deal with that over and over.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, i dont know where you are or what you want to do, but i have a very particular set of skills that puts these types of filth in excruciating pain for their short lives. Just saying.
tech_kra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Father of a three year old little boy here. I would burn down the entire fucking planet. This killed me to read godamn man. I fucking hate people.
Shit. This is making me cry. I have two kids. I can't even imagine the kind of vengeful monster i would turn into just for protecting them. But what you just told goes beyond everything. This makes me shiver
Luap_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that monster is still alive and hasn't had his dick sliced off is a testament to the mom's restraint. I can't imagine what that poor lady and her daughter are going through. Absolutely sickening...
Your beliefs about family court are centered in myth number one.
Number two, the idea that the timing of abuse allegations and divorce is suspicious is just outright ridiculous. Of course allegations often go hand in hand with a filing for divorce. Many victims speak out for the first time when filing because they've been too scared and/or prevented from or threatened out of speaking out. Same reason victims frequently request a restraining order or DVPO at the time of filing.
In some cases, victims or parents attempting to protect their children will not mention the abuse but will just attempt to remove the offender and cease the abuse by way of divorce. They don't speak up because they don't want themselves or the children to deal with the stigma (it's a legitimate fear, there have been studies done and there is evidence to suggest that allegations of abuse mean the victim(s) fare worse when it comes to property and custody decisions)or they have bought into the widespread yet erroneous belief that they or a volatile relationship between the parties is the problem and think the end of the relationship will equal the end of the abuse.
However, as the legal proceedings go on and they are facing things like the abusive parent having care of the child(ren) 50% of the time or the abuser ramping up the abuse as they so frequently do when the victim is trying to escape, victims can feel like they now have no choice but to come forward.
False allegations of abuse, particularly sexual abuse of a child are very rare in reality and happen far less frequently than actual abuse does. Those false allegations don't ruin anything for real victims just as falsely reporting an armed robbery doesn't ruin anything for someone who actually was robbed at gunpoint.
Believing that someone is more likely to be lying than they are telling the truth about abuse or even going as far as to suggest that looking for ways to discredit the victim (theorizing that they may be personality disordered) should come before investigating the alleged criminal? Those are the things that harm victims.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I say I'm a lawyer or professional you will dismiss my comments with some claim that my opinion is based on my own financial or professional interest yes? Yep, I've heard that one a time or two.
What I am is a person who, and I'm now ashamed to admit, used to hold a lot of the same beliefs and attitudes you do. But, I'm also a person who questions most commonly held beliefs enough that I'm willing to do my own research and be open minded to what I find. Life has a way of challenging your preconceptions. You gain wisdom by being up to the challenge.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good news is that prisoners fee the same way.
Dr_Bishop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should go down to the VA and find yourself a marine with about 6 months to live. Buy him some beers and unburden yourself.
Well that's not quite what I meant. Some fields you would have to say go to a therapist/group something like once or twice a month by default. Not because you said something was wrong.
Just a way of checking in and dealing with even just everyday stress etc.
As an example psychologists/therapists have to see a therapist on a regular basis.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, nope. We donโt have that. I mean your superiors will always ask if your okay but no not in way youโre asking. Vicarious trauma is real though and I feel it at times. Deff try not to take it home but some times it helps telling my girlfriend about the shit I see and hear.
Joe1972 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would probably have shot the fucker and went to jail. That shit will fuck you up for life :(
Since you are law enforcement... is there anyway this could be considered self defense? I mean obviously I have the right to keep my child safe but my guess is the stabbing happened immediately after once the fucker has stopped... please tell me she won't go to jail and leave her daughter alone???
idkfams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To explain #2, a lot of people will lash out at the mom and shaming her for being with that guy in the first place, calling her names and saying it's her fault. Which makes people not come forward, that's why #2 is important.
Now #1 seems like a cop-out, but a lot of people can help. For example, a preschool teacher can notice sexual behaviour in a toddler, know that it's a sign of sexual abuse and report it for further investigation. We're not talking about awareness in the sense of Facebook likes, but awareness as in people have read a book or two about abuse, know the warning sign and can respond to victims in a helpful manner.
Y'know the shaming of high-school "sluts"? One of the possible causes for hypersexuality is experiencing abuse. A lot of porn actresses have a history of abuse and/or rape (being hypersexual helps to reduce the "importance" of sex and thus the trauma).
So #3 would be to make therapy wildly available. You could support organisations like RAINN.
exotics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just glad they caught it now...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an old Nietzsche quote about fighting against monsters... I am paraphrasing here but it roughly goes "be wary he who fights against monsters, for when you gaze long upon an abyss the abyss gazes also into you."
It is open to interpretation of course but I always assumed it was referring to how facing evil can be poisonous to the person who does it.
Thank you for doing what you do for society. Just remember not to think about that "abyss" to much. Watch a happy comedy movie or something like that. That always helps my mood.
This is ultimately why I decided not to become a therapist like my parents. I don't know how they handle these kinds of interactions daily. I can't handle a situation like that. Stay strong, for all of us, so you can keep bringing treachery to justice.
rpyles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Friend of mine is a county prosecutor, and he does all of the 'god I don't want to know the details' cases (child rape, incest, abuse, homicide, SVU type of stuff). I'm surprised how little he drinks compared to the shit he's seen and had to know. I'm glad he does what he does but I don't want to know the details.
I feel bad for the girl, she's going to be traumatized for the rest of her life. That's fucked up to see at a age where you still have no control of your emotions but still know what the fuck is going on.
That poor girl. Imagine experiencing and seeing all of that, then being questioned and being forces to relive it to the police, and then being taken to the hospital and them poking and swabbing around inside of her. I can't fathom going through that as a 12-year-old. I hope she gets the therapy she needs and her and her mother can heal.
theCroc ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least she knows her mothers got her back when shit gets real.
Sadly it's often the case that the mother doesn't believe the daughter or turns against her in cases like this. As much as this situation sucks for the daughter she is lucky in that she has a mother that put's her daughters safety first.
Unfortunately, it's that exact attitude that's causes it: Research shows that the majority of truama from sexual abuse on minors isn't actually from the abuse itself, but from people telling them over the years how awful what happened was and them thinking they should feel abused.
There was a meta-study in the late 90's that came to this conclusion but basically the entire US goverment and most psychological organizations condemned the study for PR reasons. Even when it's findings were replicated, the researchers who did it were careful to not draw the same conclusions, presumably out of fear of them also being subject to a PR firestorm.. Additionally, a Harvard Researcher named Susan Clancy came to the same conclusion when she was doing a graduate project, and even though her findings were sound and matched up with national epidemiological studies, she was essentially blacklisted and had to move to Nicaragua to continue to practice psychology.
It makes sense if you think about it: sex is just an action, and it's really society putting sex on a taboo/sacred pedestal that makes it seem special. Kids don't have the same cultural biases towards it as adults do, so assuming the abuse wasn't horribly violent, they didn't view it as anything super troubling untill they got told it is.
It's sort of fucked to say it, but if we didn't view unwanted sexual actions as this extra heinous thing compared analogous unwanted actions of a nonsexual kind, then when it happened, the victims wouldn't be as traumatized. The actual abusers and pedophiles might be able to actually seek treatment easier too, since currently in most countries, they don't due to the social stigma.
This is extremely interesting to me. I think I've wondered about it before, not really with all those words, but wondered about it nonetheless. I don't know if I believe it or not simply because how did unwanted sexual contact TURN INTO something that's socially considered 'extra heinous' to begin with?
I'm not even arguing, honestly just wondering. Maybe it's some of both?
LongEZE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:21:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh hidy ho officer, we've had a doozy of a day. There we were minding our own business, just doing chores around the house, when kids started killing themselves all over my property."
erdub ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was poisoned by his enemies.
Halavidge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird coincidence eh? Someone dropped that knife and it landed on its handle. Stood up. Stayed that way despite the slippery floor. One in a million chance, really.
Oh, so a normal reaction to walking in on your child being assaulted then.
Who WOULDN'T have stabbed the guy?
Edit: too many responses so 1. Lol, ok stab or shoot. 2. To those that wanna be the bigger person and calmly just get the guy arrested, I mean, I guess if that's what you wanna do. 3. To the personal danger, I hear that point and understand, though I'm pretty sure parenting instinct overrides that for a lot of people. 4. To the people mentioning that someone that does nothing isn't a monster but a victim, I agree and disagree. They are probably victims sure, but I'm still going to judge their choices. Choosing to look the other way is pretty bad, and this is coming from someone that's been in this sort of situation. I 100% used my body as a shield and almost died because of that choice. I would 100% do it again right now, because it was the right choice. While I guess calling everyone that makes the wrong choice a monster is a little over the top because people do shitty things sometimes, I still will judge based on your choices and doing nothing is flat out bad.
[deleted] ยท 1554 points ยท Posted at 14:55:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who WOULDN'T have stabbed the guy?
There are plenty of mothers out there who would have been pissed at the daughter, or who would have walked out of the room and pretended it never happened.
I worked in abuse counseling for a very brief time. One of my caseload was this girl, which from like 6-10 was forced to have intercourse with a dog. The mother (who by the way, tried to stay in contact after she was removed from that situation) response was "well we all had rough upbringings. My dad spanked me.".
I nearly lost it on how incomparable those are.
ermpera ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my caseload was this girl, which from like 6-10 was forced to have intercourse with a dog.
I think you need a vacation. Just sayin. :) I know you said you worked in it some time ago, but you still haven't detoxed from it. Because...what you witnessed is about 10 standard deviations past fucked up, straight through deviant, into adjectives I don't even fucking know yet and frankly don't want to know.
Work in anything involving kids or vulnerable people. Shit like that is not rare. Maybe the addition of a dog is uncommon, but sexual abuse of some kind is usually around 25/75 in the best populations. In at risk ones it's at least 50/50.
Yeah, the dog part is sort of an essential ingredient. The fact that it was her mom makes it even worse. The fact that her mom shrugged it off as no biggie compounds it.
There is nothing run of the mill about that case was my point.
Sorry you had to see that shit it must have been horrible and I hope you were able to help some of those poor kids.
The dog is the only weird part. Moms turn a blind eye all the time. Any mom who says "I had no gosh dang idea my piece of shit boyfriend was raping my kid" is lying.
boogie414 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just cannot wrap my head around a mother turning a blind eye or minimizing shit like that. How do you become ok with some pervert touching/raping your child?? How? My mind cannot conceive of the thought of anyone touching my child like that. Never. I'd do some fucked up ass shit to whoever would try.
UWAIN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a foster carer. One of our placements was from a large family, and two of her brothers were also strongly suspected to be her nephews. Ages would have meant the abused brother was early teens. Mothers can be utter shitbags.
Edited to say they were all abused in many and varied ways by both parents, that particular abuse just horrified me.
I work a much better job now.
That place is for people who have a passion for literally beating up people with paperwork. I can't leave that kind of job every day knowing that those people walk free people.
and it is fucked up. It is horrifying. But the honest truth is I had a caseload of 20 people a week. There were ~15-20 other people who had the same job as me. My city isn't that big. The world is a fucked up place. If you don't look for people, if you don't seek the bad stories, they don't pop up.
You don't even know the half of how awful everyone is. Be thankful folks exist that are willing to sacrifice their sanity for the sake of your innocence.
There are some good. But there are fucking massive amounts of horrors that go untold. And that, that is what is pisses me off. There is no excuse that in a first world country any person should have to go through that.
SKxU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:03:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just... why? Why would anybody do that? did she give you a reason?? Besides "I'm a monster who should have never been allowed to have children or care for a dog (or any living thing, like.. even a potato plant)"
I had minimal contact with the mother. She was 19 when I worked with her, I just had her file. I'm gonna assume production... But basically fucked up parents.
SKxU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that is just.... what the fuck is wrong with some humans... I hope that girl has had the help she needs. I chose to believe she is getting therapy and will be happy and healthy for the rest of her life, she has suffered enough
LA_SoxFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't understand how this is possible. There has to be some insane drug or something involved here. I'm open to the fact that I'm just wildly naive or something. But what. the. fuck.
I work with juvenile girls and dude...Some of the shit they say makes me so sad/mad. For the very large majority, they were neglected in some way by their parents which is bad enough. But there are some girls who's mothers have let their boyfriends go in their room at night, or been so fucked up on drugs that different men who they do drugs with with wait until the mom passes out and then go into the girl's rooms. It's seriously fucked up shit. Some parents even pimp their daughters out for drug money. And about 99% of them have been sexually abused at some point in their life (I have yet to meet one who wasn't abused).
To anyone reading, take care of your fucking kids. If you're a drug addict, use protection or have an abortion. You aren't responsible enough to raise a child yet, maybe in the future. Put your kids' health and well-being first always and never compromise that point for anything.
mmouchi ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:14:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to judge any woman who doesn't attack the man at a time like this out of fear. The average man can easily subdue a fit woman, let alone an average strength woman, and beat her unconcious or kill her in this situation.
I can agree with that. I'd ideally inform the cops and somehow ensure that the cavalry would be coming before taking the dude out.
Edit: Inappropriate use of the word "poundtown"
Right but what she could be easily overpowered by the boyfriend who may choose to kill the daughter rather than simply assault her. Theoretically it would be best to call 911 before trying to yank him off of her. I'm not sure I would be levelheaded enough to do so, which is why I said I wasn't sure how I would react. I don't think anyone does until they face that situation. I hope he was off of her before she started stabbing. My heart aches for that little girl.
If he kills you then he is free to do whatever he wants with your child after, including killing them. Some women, especially ones that are already traumatized and don't get the instinctive rage/"Not her too" reaction, may be more preoccupied about the daughter and her surviving the moment by being compliant, especially if the husband or boyfriend is already regularly beating the wife/girlfriend. These things happen. Don't judge others too harshly as long as their instinct was to save their kid in some meaningful way (survive the night and then running away with the kid when he's out of the house, or whichever). Going full on mama bear isn't the only way a loving parent can react, for better and for worse.
Firhel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I don't think there was logical thinking of who would win, she simply saw red.
mmouchi ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the person who has no concept of the differences of strength between genders. Even something as harmless and playful as wrestling around shows every woman that even in entirely safe situations, they have little hope of overpowering a man in a confrontation.
If this guy felt murderous, he could have subdued this woman long before she could have killed him with a pocket knife.
While I agree men are stronger then woman in almost every single way. Mom strength is a real thing and when kids are in danger they can do some crazy shit.
mmouchi ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:22:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freezing or panicking in an emergency is also a real thing. That's why I started by saying I would never judge anyone who did not attack in this situation. We can all pretend to be Internet tough but we have no idea how we will react until we are in such a situation.
Mom strength/rage isn't a source of magic hulk strength though, it just means they're pushing themselves physically as far as they can. Someone who is about to be stabbed can do crazy shit too.
No concept of difference of strength between genders? Bruh, I only said that I'd charge in to save my kid regardless of the consequences. I'd rather get hurt real bad than let my child think that I abandoned them. The difference in strength might result in an unfavorable outcome but I don't think I'd be able to stay calm enough to really process that or even care about it.
RMCPhoto ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:02:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you died, the man who was sexually assaulting her may gain custody - depending on what the courts are told.
That said, attacking the man is a totally understandable response (and justified) - though it may not always be the most prudent.
mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're disputing me saying out of fear. I pointed out why anyone would be right to be afraid in this situation.
OuFerrat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say it's more of a strong and hard and emotional situation than a gender thing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but from the sounds of it, she probably stabbed him in the back of the head first
also, I doubt he knew he was about to be stabbed. She had the element of surprise
mmouchi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy grabbed her by the neck and slammed her against a wall after being stabbed 6 times. If he decided to kill/rape/beat her unconcious, he easily could have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well that wasn't in the article
mmouchi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you clearly didn't read it.
The pair struggled over the knife as they fought, the report says. The man grabbed the woman by the neck, threw her against the wall, and later kicked down the front door after she pushed him outside, the report says.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:19 on September 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh, well I don't know how I missed that. I remember reading it and thinking that there wasn't much information. I probably scrolled down on my phone until the was an advert and assumed the end of article
JeepNaked ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:14:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And, Colt made all people equal. I've never understood and never will, why all women don't carry.
mmouchi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because a gun can equally be used against you if you are not 100% alert at all times. You cannot have a gun and drink any amount of alcohol. You risk hurting innocent bystanders in an emergency. The list goes on really.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mmouchi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Counter anecdote: no woman I know owns a gun and have never been in a situation to need a gun. So the accidental risk is far higher to them than ending up in a situation in which lethal force is appropriate.
JeepNaked ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, to each their own. But, the women in my family, fear no men. Can you say the same?
mmouchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fear no men? That's just cocky. A man can just as easily still pull a gun on them in a surprise situation where anyone would be unable to pull their gun in return.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any hypothetical you come up with will still turn out better for the victim if they have a chance to fight back.
And, I should have said fear no body. But, i was trying to make a point with size disparity.
mmouchi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fearing no one is equally cocky and foolish. A gun doesn't fix every problem.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But, it definitely solves a few.
But, no worries. Thanks for the back and forth. I believe in self protection, but I understand not everyone does. I get that I will never change your perspective. And, I hope you have a peaceful life.
Taliesin_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:23:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This woman "feared no man" as well. Guns may level the playing field, but they also raise the deadliness of encounters across the board. Regardless of the personalities of the people carrying.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And, she should absolutely be charged.
Self defense is not aggression. This was aggression. I am absolutely only talking about the ability to defend yourself against a larger attacker.
Taliesin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. But you cannot ensure that firearms are only going to be used by level-headed individuals for self-defense. It's been demonstrated that this can't even be ensured among law enforcement officers trained specifically and extensively to do so.
So you'll hopefully forgive my skepticism of your haughty attitude regarding "the women in your family."
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only person you can rely on to defend you is you. Having the tools to do so will always be in your advantage.
If people do not feel the need to protect themselves. That is fine. But, I will never understand it.
This joke reminds me of my mom.
A cop pulls over an old lady for speeding on a Texas highway. He asks for her driverโs license and registration. When she opens her wallet, he notices a conceal-carry permit.
He asks, โMaโam, do you have a weapon in your possession at this time?โ
She responds that she has a .38 Special in her purse, a .45 in her glove box, a 9mm Glock in the center console, And a shotgun in the trunk.
โJesus, lady,โ says the cop. โWhat are you so afraid of?โ
The old lady looks him in the eye and says, โNot a fuckin thing.โ
Taliesin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only person you can rely on to defend you is you.
Narrow thinking. If I eventually contract cancer, I will rely on trained medical professionals to treat it. Being able to rely on systems comprised of other people, and being reliable to them in turn is what makes a society function.
Defense is no different. You can choose to be self-reliant in as many fields as you're able to, but unless you're living in complete isolation you're going to need to rely on others from time to time. And the more guns there are in any environment, the more people are going to die as a direct result of their efficient lethality.
Good joke, though.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you may be getting close to my mind set. Although I live in the middle of Phoenix now. I am a small town boy. Because of the isolation. I grew up in a place where people took care of their own problems. I took the mind set with me to adult hood.
For example and I'm not trying to be a bad ass just telling you how I think. But, If I was sleeping and woke up to someone down stairs. It would literally never even occur to me to call the cops till after I took care of it. It's really how I think, and deal with things like this.
So, I'm coming from that mindset. I try to understand why people are against self defense. But it seems almost self destructive to me.
Taliesin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems likely to be an environment thing. If you're living in a place where a break-in is likely to bring a gun with them, then I suppose you'd want to have a gun yourself.
But that's sort of the crux of the issue, I guess. I'd rather live in a place where neither the would-be robber nor myself was carrying a firearm, because that means that the situation's much less likely to end in death for either party. Luckily, I live somewhere where I am afforded that safety by firearm control and law enforcement.
But for people not so fortunate, being armed themselves may be the only way.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny cause we both feel sorry for the other one. I couldn't stand living in a place that didn't allow me the option of self defense. And, clearly you wouldn't like it here. Where it's fairly common to see people with a pistol on their hip. At work here, a couple people open carry. Nobody even bats an eye.
I truly enjoy talking to people with different views than mine. Always good to get out of my bubble. Thanks.
Taliesin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, there are a million good reasons not to assault the guy in that situation.
Is it worth the risk of the daughter losing her mother as well as her innocence?
Its not black or white, luckily in this case the woman was able to over power the guy. But had she not had a knife, it very well could have been a dead mom and raped daughter case which is objectively worse.
Why you swearing at me? Objectively speaking, the woman was armed and the man was distracted. Shoving him off and stabbing him in the eye would definitely incapacitate him, wouldn't it?
leharicot ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:09:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like one of those "why didn't tge police just shoot him in the leg" type people. In the heat of the moment you probably wouldn't be able to accurately stab both eyes.
Maybe i'm naive idk but shouldn't cops be trained to subdue rather than kill? Shouldn't their response deviate from that of ordinary civilians?
I dont expect everyone to be able to stab both eyes(one might be enough no?) I was just pointing out that a weapon could alter the balance of power. I'm sorry if I sound naive.
leharicot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry if i came off as hostile. This comment explains my thoughts on the situation much better than I probably ever could.
No worries man. I'm pretty young and inexperienced so maybe I'm not viewing things clearly. I guess the best way to tackle a situation like this would be to always try to get help first.
Sorry, the way you worded your comment made it sound like anyone who didn't attack him out of fear was wrong.
And yes obviously someone who carries a pocket knife with them has had different experiences in life so she was confident enough to go along with it. Put a different mother in there and for 99% of them, not attacking "out of fear" is the correct response.
I agree with you there. Not attacking him and getting help first is the smart and right thing to do. I was just putting myself in the mom's shoes and I couldn't imagine how I wouldn't be overcome with rage and bloodlust. Hopefully the daughter will be able to overcome this.
ermpera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And while you're lining up the stab to make sure it hits his eye (90% you miss even then) he sees the knife and shatters your jaw.
So there's a 90% chance that an armed woman would miss a stab to the face on a naked and distracted man but the naked and distracted man will almost certainly be able to shatter her jaw with one punch? Without freaking out a little over the fact that the woman is holding a knife? I think you're taking too much leeway with your argument.
ermpera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, what is hyperbole.
But somewhat, yeah. Did you know that somebody who's spent decades training their gunfire accuracy at a range will miss every shot the first time they fire in defense at an attacker? Stress and adrenaline mess with you big time. You shake, your muscles tense in ways you don't expect. Have you ever had a really close call and then tried to walk in a straight line after? It's not easy.
And that's assuming that somebody who is clearheaded enough to pick a target like that won't freeze up or anything; when you're panicking you tend to just throw everything at them. She's trying to stab him before he retaliates (i.e. raises his hand), so she's rushing, panicking, aiming for a small moving target. 90% might be optimistic.
His retaliation is unlikely to be so clear, but it depends on the person. If he's been in a lot of fights, then he'll definitely manage a true punch (and you don't need to shatter someone's jaw to incapacitate them. Somebody with the chin out taking a punch to the jaw goes down even if the punch is pathetic). If he isn't that sort, he probably wouldn't have the reflex to strike; most likely he'd try to catch her wrist or otherwise take the knife. You can cut the shit out of somebody's hands or forearms without it doing much of anything, so you'd better hope he bleeds out before he grabs you.
But of course it all depends on the person. Some people would collapse after a single stab to the arm, other people would take a knife to the eye and throttle her anyway (assuming it isn't too long). Either way though, it's just a bad idea. If you want to incapacitate fast, driving the knife into the back of their neck would give you better chances.
TechyDad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm usually a nonviolent person, but there was one time when I seriously considered killing someone. Our doorbell rang at around 2am one day and, when I peeked outside, there was a guy wearing a hoodie. We called 911 as my wife took my then-young son to the other room. (His bedroom is right by the front door.)
The guy wandered around the back of our house and eventually back to the front. I grabbed the only "weapon" I could find: a hammer. At one point, he saw me peeking out the window. He began to bang on the glass so hard I was sure it'd shatter. As he did this, he shouted at us to let him in. I told him the police were called and to leave.
At this point, with my wife's and child's safety possibly being threatened, I realized that if I turned the hammer around to the claw side, I could do more damage to the guy's skull. I was fully ready to bash his head in if he broke the window and tried in come in.
He's lucky he didn't. He turned out to be some drunk college kid who was wildly lost. Being surrounded by three or four large police dogs sobered him up quickly and the police escorted him to where he was trying to go. Still, I'll never forget that feeling as I clutched the hammer of being 100% certain that I was willing to kill a man without hesitation instead of letting him harm my wife and child.
You know how airline safety vids suggest putting oxygen on yourself before helping your own child? Similar attitude could be justified here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mother is 4'11 and the abuser is built like a linebacker, attacking him is a bad idea
SelectaRx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's probably not many people on earth who wouldn't resort to violence to protect a loved one (or hell even a stranger) being sexually assaulted, myself included, but can we drop this fucking internet tough guy bullshit of "well I would have ripped his spine out, karate chopped it in half, then put it back in with surgical precision, except upside down!"
Guy got more than what was waiting for him in the legal sense, and the court will decide his fate, but even still, at this point, it's time for civilized discourse and ordered justice to finish sentencing him. Practically every single person in this country turns into goddamned John Wayne and Joe Arpaio's anally birthed love-mercenary when they talk about criminals and its fucking embarrassing and childish. There's a reason why vigilante justice is a crime. It's because we get mobs of the great unwashed unironically screaming for blood. And yall wanna talk shit on the how reactionary the Westboro Baptist church are? Might want to look in a mirror one time and maybe realise you're prone to the same kinds of self righteousness.
Bchui ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:08:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree. The internet suddenly starts comparing their dicks based on how crazy or violent they would get in situations like these. Like first off, unless you have actually experienced the exact situation, there's zero telling how much of pussy you really are. Not to mention it always ends with "didn't get what he deserved" when the list has gone way past essentially castrating him and torching him with a flamethrower. You aren't a better person because you are willing to do more harm to criminals... this isn't like the movies idiots. It's funny people scoff at the idea of hive mind and are surprised when cults (made up of everyday civilians) are capable of doing such atrocities.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, some of the comments here are sickening, internet tough guys at their best.
You seem to underestimate the strenght of somebody with a fuckload of adrenalin and instincts kicking in. When protecting their children people can do crazy shit.
RMCPhoto ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:04:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should start a UFC event where a woman who's daughter is slowly being lowered into lava is forced to fight a UFC champion. The child is reeled back to safety on KO.
The opponents would need fuckin helmets though, otherwise every match would end up like the time Tyson bit off someones ear (or WAY worse). Human Jaws are fuckin strong as shit.
RMCPhoto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that UFC fighter knew what they were signing up for.
mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And someone being stabbed with a pocket knife doesn't have adrenaline?
The problem with escalating a conflict with lethal force is it opens up lethal force as an option for both parties. Can she hold onto the knife if someone bigger and stronger tries to take it? Especially when we're talking pocketknives, unless she has training in killing someone with a knife (not likely) she's putting herself and whoever she's protecting in much more danger. Maybe those decisions aren't conscious ones, and maybe that's the right thing to do anyway, but a knife only goes so far in leveling the field.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow u show vegin? very sexxy
mmouchi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break it to you, but you are far more likely to overpower a younger woman in a situation like this before she could ever kill you with a pocket knife.
I know. You think a mother is going to care? You see a mountain lion trying to fuck your baby girl you're going to murder it with a spoon or die trying. You're literally not going to give a fuck, even if it kills you.
mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People freeze in all sorts of emergency situations. You don't magically not panic or freeze because you are a parent. Everyone reacts differently based on how their brain works.
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mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who doesn't attack the man at a time like this
Never said don't do anything at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mmouchi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I said I never fault anyone for being afraid and not attacking someone in this kind of situation.
I'm rather concerned about your reading comprehension. I sure hope any kids around you learn from someone who can read better.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:33:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mmouchi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good old black and white, unrealistic understandings of human brains. It leads to such reasonable and non-attacking statements.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:50:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mmouchi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Black and White thinking as in believing literally anyone who does not attack someone in an emergency situation shouldn't have children. But what should I expect from someone who can only resort to personal attacks.
Mira113 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's naked and you run and go grab a knife or a gun or whatever that can be used to cause puncture or cut wounds(blunt force requires too much strength to make it effective against someone stronger than you). A naked man against such a weapon is going to have a hard time getting away without a scratch.
Nope I would attempt to kill him and quite possibly die in the attempt because he's stronger than me. Wouldn't stop me from trying though. If my kid doesn't know I'm willing to do anything to protect them then what good am I as a parent?
Taliesin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You simply cannot claim with any certainty what you'd do in a situation like this until you've actually experienced it. Do a little research.
If I froze up and did nothing to protect my child I'd kill myself.
Taliesin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another claim.
I hope your claims need never be tested.
Vercci ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you then shut up to keep the family together....
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not always monsters. Dealing with that kind of betrayal and potential danger to your and your kids life and the public humiliation that's likely to come...it takes serious courage for men and women. I mean think about it. It's not as simple as we'd wanna believe.
Easy for people to say what'd they do in her situation here but talk is cheap.
Sometimes people do bad things, and every human is capable of them. And I believe that for each human there is a threshold of painful experiences that once passed will make this human do things they wouldn't have just a week earlier.
If we allow ourselves to divide humans into "good" and "evil" we're not solving any problem, we dehumanise part of mankind and start new problems.
While nobody deserves bad things happening to them, sometimes there are actions that deserve consequences.
While I don't want to be associated with people like those considered monsters by some, remembering that they are in fact just humans helps me keep myself in check. It shifts my thinking from "I could never do that, I'd never be such a person" to "I am capable of such terrible acts. I need to make sure I'll always decide to do the right thing."
YasiinBey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh, itโs sad because most those mothers who ignore it are rape victims themselves, Iโm not saying it makes it all right but itโs deeper than face value.
You don't have to be a monster you just have to be in an abusive relationship.
Bexlyp ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:26:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, this is true. I used to work at a non-profit that ran a group home for teen moms and their babies. At least one girl was here because her mom refused to believe her daughter wasn't seducing the stepdad and "kicked that little slut to the curb."
When i was 10 or so I got uncomfortable with the way my swim coach (a family friend) touches me, I told my mom and she told me I was overthinking and was being rude to be demeaning my swim coach's reputation as he adores me and I am his favorite student. She continued to sign me up for his weekly one-on-one classes until I turned 13.
At 15 I was raped by a friend that I didn't guard up to, even though he seemed rather interested, because I thought I was overthinking + I was underage and no one would be dumb enough to touch an underage girl. After the deed I didn't tell any adults because I thought adults will just either not believe me or blame me. The fact that I didn't tell anyone made the guy thought I was just "acting shy and innocent" infront of him and he assaulted me multiple more times.
Aftermath sucked. Along with my parent's abuse, I ended up with severe PTSD and after cutting ties with my parents with my newfound independency, and started my recovery process, I spend years being barely functional.
Some parents are too selfish to admit that they put their kids in danger, and they dont friggin know what their choices of words and action will further impact their children's life.
0galo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be way more worried about a mother who did not try to kill this guy.
There are plenty of mothers out there who would have been pissed at the daughter
I know we're both generalizing here... but the mothers you speak of were most likely emotionally abused and/or conditioned to defend their creep men by the men themselves.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any actual evidence for this ridiculous statement?
AaronSF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, while I'm generally against violence, this story is kind of heartening because of all of the instances where the mother does nothing, or even enables the abuse.
Are you? Maybe in this hypothetical situation he gets the fuck off my daughter as I catch him in the act and I blast his ass to a better place. I'm certainly not going to hand to hand someone assaulting my kid if I have a gun.
falconbox ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mother here. Would have stabbed. And stabbed and stabbed and stabbed.
Then hugged and hugged and hugged my girl.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:19:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at mr internet warrior.
FallsZero ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:51:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if I was a Mom I wouldn't have stabbed, would have called the police though immediately and tell him to btfo, possibly posture with a large steak knife, but have no intention of using it
Me and millions of other people. Don't assume that deadly violence is the only way a human being can react to this. And don't assume anything about anyone deciding against it.
Edit: Changed violence to deadly violence, since some immediate force probably is necessary in a situation like this.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:35:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If all I had was a knife, I'd have stabbed him.
Knowing that someone is a child rapist makes me believe that they have no qualms about other type of despicable behavior, and I know that most women wouldn't be able to incapacitate a grown man just with their bare hands.
I don't think killing him is the answer either, nor is senseless torture. But in the moment, his life isn't the priority. The child's safety, is. If she had had to stab him until he stopped moving/fighting back so that she and her daughter could get away, then that's understandable.
Exactly. Based on my limited understanding of this particular instance, I think she did the best thing she could've done to help her daughter.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The child's safety, is. If she had had to stab him until he stopped moving/fighting back so that she and her daughter could get away, then that's understandable.
That's a very reasonable approach and also how self-defence laws work. Depending on where you are the details are different, but in general you're not allowed to use more force than necessary. So if nicking the main arteries of the attacker is the best way to eleminate the danger he poses, you're not only allowed to nick said arteries but also can sue him for the blood cleaning costs later. The moment however there's no threat anymore all your violence needs to stop. Otherwise you end up being guilty of homicide.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. The thing is, they were in the bedroom, so it'd have been easy for them to get trapped. Of course, if he's on the ground and she sends her daughter out to go call 911 while she stays behind and slits his throat, then that'd count as excessive violence, which isn't something I condone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sorry. I didn't disagree with you at all. I just wanted to say that your described mode of reaction is pretty much what you self-defence laws want you to do.
ncocca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like...the opposite of violent. But given the circumstances, deadly violence is the most logical choice. You think if she just tried to get him off that he wouldn't have probably just beat the shit out of her and possibly ended up killing both her and her daughter?
rugtoad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:58:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question: Do you have kids? I have two, if someone was in the process of hurting them, I would do anything and everything to stop it. I would throw a grown man out of a window to stop it.
I don't know any parent who would do anything less, either. It is instinctual, primitive...and I don't think there is anything wrong with it either. If you attack a child, you should expect to be brutalized by the parent should they catch you.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:17:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rugtoad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:22:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying to put it out as a matter of perspective.
I mean, dude above seems to think that people who are saying they'd have stabbed the guy are just full of bloodlust. My guess is that they simply have kids.
Animal instinct is pretty powerful, and humans aren't above it just because we walk on two legs and live in concrete buildings. Most mammals get pretty aggressive when you fuck with their progeny...I'm just curious if the people who are trying to argue that this behavior was excessive are doing so with some level of empathy and perspective here.
I don't believe I'm in any way an exceptional parent because I'd go into violent-animal-mode in defense of my kids. On the contrary...I think I'm pretty typical.
BSmokin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We get it, you aren't capable of picking up on subtext or inferences to empathy. Thanks for letting us know! People without empathy are smug douches!
Can't believe this thread is full of violent insane people thinking murder is justifiable. If you think murder in any way is justifiable you're just as insane and filled with rage as that rapist or a serial killer. The reason this world is fucked up is because insane people like those in this thread believe in this eye for an eye bullshit.
I wonder how many of these people would just shrug it off if a family member or close friend was murdered after committing a crime. Would they just say "okay that's fine then, all their good aspects and past are irrelevant and it's good that they're dead"? Of course not. Most of the time they'd be wishing that there could have been a fair trial and that they could've understood the reason. I also doubt many people would truly think of someone close to them entirely as a hero after flying into a rage and murdering someone in an emotional frenzy. But because they are strangers, things like the fact that they're humans becomes irrelevant. It certainly is twisted, and it's good that at least some people can recognize that just because it may feel satisfying it isn't something good.
We can't solve our problems by murdering ever one who breaks the rules. We have to actually create a society that prevents terrible childhoods and circumstances that create all these murderers and rapists. Well never move on If we don't do that.
imGnarly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone that wasn't carrying a knife.
G09G ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd probably still be stabbing the guy...
jjake101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In some states I'd imagine the guy would've been shot dead then and there.
J5892 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't. But only because in that moment everything around me becomes a weapon. A knife is unlikely to be within reach.
I would have beat him to death with my bare hands!
AnalogPen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I own guns, so I have better options than a pocket knife.
Gosexual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who is afraid of losing financial security or is only worried about their own safety.
This hurts because the person I like was also a victim and nobody was there to help her.
ohnjaynb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have...I keep forgetting to carry my knife around the house.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fucker wouldn't have made it out alive if it was my daughter. I wouldn't call it in until he was dead. Scum like that doesn't deserve to walk the earth and I'd happily accept all consequences.
I mean he is a diseased beast but I consider those two women even worse than him.
Watkins was sentenced to 35 years. The two women who let him touch their babies only got 14 and 17 years. He should have gotten a 100 years in prison and both of these women should have gotten a 1000.
They should have made sure that all three of them only leave prison in coffins.
Dw_Vonder ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it sucks but there are lots of people on reddit who actually believe people like this should be rehabilitated and not immediate killed. Lots of cowards on this site.
J5892 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't take courage to act on rage.
It takes courage to deal with the emotions that come with not ending their life on the spot.
Dw_Vonder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not agree with you but i do not want to argue. Different kinds of folks in the world.
eairy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Feignfame ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
Of course, it would have nothing to do with the fact that he's a disgusting child rapist! It MUST be because of the victim's rampant attraction to him! /s /s /s
I've heard this response in these types of cases before. These people are completely fucked in the head. I don't know if they actually think that or if they somehow think that it is a good excuse to use. In any case, hearing that is what he said in his defense makes me automatically assume he is indeed a pedophile. Fuck that guy. Cut his dick off and throw him in jail, he should lose his weapon.
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MilkManEX ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:57:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I try to avoid making rape jokes now. The vast majority are well aware that they're just jokes, but rapists are of the opinion that everyone would do it given the chance, and making light of rape just reinforces that belief.
You should think about the victims too. They're not funny jokes in the first place, and for someone with PTSD it's just pretty fucking terrible.
Not only have they been reminded of the event but they're reminded how much of a joke it is to everyone else, and how few people will believe them or take them seriously if they were to speak up.
You don't know who they are either.
feel_nice ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:49:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah exactly, in their mind you're backing them and normalising it even more for them. Think whenever people make fucked up jokes they are trying to normalise the subject matter, sometimes cos they are innocently trying to process its existence, sometimes to fit their fucked up agenda and can also be a confused mix of both.
SKxU ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:47:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, when you make jokes or comments that sound like you would take advantage of any opportunity, regardless of consent or age, most people know you are joking. Monst people don't think you are a rapist, but the rapist thinks you are a rapist. I read a study about this topic some time ago.
It's not so common nowadays, and it's only really among specific communities, but rape culture includes the whole "well if she's dressed like that, she obviously wants the attention" or "he's my husband that means he has to have sex with me" etc etc. Younger generations generally don't think like that if they were raised right.
SKxU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:50:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't, but there are a lot of people who are not so right in the head, who believe that all those comments and joke are true. I know it sounds insane, but there are many people who still think the earth is flat.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck no. i was raped by a male teacher. I'm a man. I can tell you directly: Female psychologists have been far more dismissive to me than male ones since i came forward about it. Femaleization is no answer.
Fuck feminism, it was an admirable thing in 1907, sure, but these days its irrelevant hand-wringing bullshit from ppl that want to feel like victims but don't have an actual reason to.
Dividing society into petty, gender-based arguments is how trump got elected. Stop doing it.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:30:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
again, if you don't understand haw few people hate women, you should probably get out into the world and realise that you're not a victim of your gender.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is. He puts as much ego in children being attracted to him as healthy people do adults of the appropriate gender.
gunsof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Do you know how hot I am to twelve year olds? A mother once tried to kill me because I'm that hot to them!"
coinpile ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:32:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a case where a guy said the same thing when accused of raping a toddler he was related to. He said she must have wanted it because she kept climbing into his lap. Because you know, that's such an unusual thing for a toddler to do. /s
My thoughts exactly. Had the mother not been more concerned about wrestling for her the knife and defending herself, and think a couple of extra stabs in the genitalia would have been good.
TophShit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As horrible as it may sound, and many people may think this falls under cruel and unusual punishment, I really wish that was a thing.
Obviously this is my personal opinion, but for me it would be 2 catagories:
1, you are convicted of raping a child, with physical evidence that proves beyond all reasonable doubt you have committed the assault, or 2, you are repeat offender with a history or varying degrees of sexual assault, molestation, etc of children.
If you fall into one of the above catagories (obviously not including that grey area of a 19 year old having consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and her parents getting pissed, I'm talking about a full grown adult and a child, like a 30 year old man and a 12 year old girl,) then you should be given 2 options. Either you accept a sentence of life in a maximum security prison, true life, until the day you die, with absolutely no chance of parol of any kind regardless of showing remorse or being a model inmate, or you may choose to be voluntarily castrated, the pillar and the stones, with the chance of parol of the strictest kind including mandatory psychological treatment and monitoring for the rest of your life.
The gross thing is if she were two or three years older there would be a ton of comments saying stuff like this
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 18:53:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she was three year older she would be pubescent and thus her consent would be a possibility. It's not fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:19:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just cause 14-15 year olds are developing boobs doesn't mean they are of sound mind to enter into a sexual relationship with an ADULT MAN. Jesus. I got my period at 12. I was pubescent. I guess that means I could consent. What a fucking stupid comment.
Yeah, alright. I know this pops up every time but my stupid ass thought it was a good comment to make, nvm.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the age of possible consent has to be defined by law. There is nothing wrong with that comment.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from it being irrelevant in this context and common knowledge?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are mistaking the possibility of consent for sound-of-mind consent. A 15 year old voluntarily engaging in such a relationship is certainly not old enough to make a 100% rational decision. But she can make a decision based on her personal impulses. A prepubescent girl cannot make such a decision because she has no sexual impulse at all.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:04:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most 12 year olds are pubescent is my point.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:42:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine taught 6th grade, and one day she sent a girl to the office to call home because the shirt she was wearing was sheer. When the girl's dad came to get her, he told my friend (the teacher) that she was just jealous of his daughter's figure and that's why she wouldn't let her wear a see-through shirt in class.
I think the assumption of jealousy actually indicates extremely disordered thinking.
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
I mean, this is all true. he just neglected to mention the feelings for him are anger, hatred, disgust
nowbiff ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:44:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my former student's father was charged with assaulting a girl at the young age of 1. His excuse was that the child came on to him. You have to be a mentally ill person to think that way. Dear lord.
There was a podcast I listed to a while back where a detective was talking about a time he was interogating a man who molested his granddaughter, who was like 2. His defense was that she was "asking for it" because she crawled onto his lap. He lost control and beat the shit out of the guy, and not long after he quit the force because he realized he was too old, and couldn't control his emotions anymore.
Bobcatluv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to post this quote. This statement is how he revealed his guilt. A normal person in the middle of a misunderstanding about what was going on with the kid (mom imagining something that wasn't happening) would have just said, "No, I didn't touch that little girl!" This guy already tried to line up a defense of what he did in one statement.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They jump through all the mental hoops they can to convince themselves they're normal and the victim is willing.
They project their own sexuality onto a child, and the child is often too scared or trusting to resist.
Frigg-Off ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What really kills me is the guy hasn't been charged with anything yet and the police are investigating it as a "possible" rape case. Yeah, and it's possible their detective skills need some sharpening.
auguris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's frustrating to hear, but that's just legal talk. They aren't allowed to say anything definite until the case has been tried and the piece of shit convicted.
You're not wrong. That's probably part of the reason he used that excuse. Because blaming the woman (or girl in this case...) for a man being attracted to her is something that happens in society sometimes. He might even convince a few people who read this news article that she seduced him or something (probably a tiny minority, though.) It comes from both men and women. That's part of what people mean when they say rape culture.
It's not exactly uncommon unfortunately. But hopefully it's a shrinking minority. One of the worst things a parent can do is not protect their children when they're assaulted, but that doesn't mean it never happens.
No, I'm implying that women think they're daughters are trying to get the attention of their boyfriends. I have friends whose mom kicked them out because they were trying to "get to" the BF and it happened to my sister when she told my grandma that my grandpa was creeping on her while she was in the bathroom.
It's horrible. I've seen it happen quite a few times, too, from mothers, but also from friends, male or female. Sometimes it's easier to blame the victim rather face the fact that a person you love has done something you can't forgive. Defense mechanism I guess.
bardoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a mental illness that makes you think that people love you, even though they don't.
Reading comprehension. The man is claiming he didn't do the things the girlfriend is accusing him of. He's saying the girlfriend, not him, thought her daughter had feelings for him.
The article lacks the necessary information to determine if he's lying or not. For example, if he was found naked (who has time to get dressed after getting stabbed a bunch of times), then his story has a huge gaping hole.
The article lacks the necessary information to determine if he's lying or not.
There is something to be said about being skeptical of a 12 yos account of being raped and the things he said to her during. Skepticism itself is usually good, but... there is a point where it comes across as defense of the perpetrator and suggesting that he might be telling the truth does kind of feel that way.
There's a reason the police are investigating. It seems likely the dude was lying. But the mother could also be straight up crazy. Might be good to rule that out before proceeding with charges - you want them to stick.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if he wasn't (and I sincerely doubt this) lying, itd still be statutory rape.
This type of force is legal when protecting another human being, especially a child, and even more so if you are the parents of that child.
EDIT:
To clarify, maybe it isn't "legal", as these laws vary from state to state. I believe some actually have the fact that you can defend someone being assaulted by using force (even "excessive"), but apparently not all.
The fact that "might not be charged" tends to lend itself to the argument that she could be charged, which means the act itself isn't "legal".
The judge in that case also considered mitigating circumstances, in which the guy called an ambulance and cried on the phone to the dispatcher that he didn't mean to kill him. Then he provided first aid to the guy until the ambulance arrived.
Still, even without that, I doubt the guy would have been convicted, and I doubt this woman will be charged either. She's stopped her daughter from being raped. She's a hero.
[deleted] ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 15:46:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't express any opinions other than the following:
If you stab someone 5 times you should be processed. It isn't up to a cop to decide who was guilty of a crime. She should be charged with assault, because she assaulted someone. She can plead her case there. Letting the police decide is how you get small towns that let a kid go because the cop didn't think he meant to drive drunk and hit that lady. It's not their decision.
It isn't up to a cop to decide who was guilty of a crime.
Yes. This is correct.
...Nobody was saying this, mate.
Cops arrest people so that that can be ascertained by other parties. Those are people usually suspected of or otherwise definitely doing something wrong.
scaper28 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah no jury would convict her.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:00:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then let the prosecuting attorney drop the case, it isn't the cops' call.
scaper28 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:01:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
true, wasn't saying you are wrong.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jesse9o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cop can also not arrest their friend's son for hit and run if they want, that doesn't make it right.
Cops are not judge, jury and executioner, their role is to arrest people who are suspected of committing crimes, and then it's up to the courts to find out if they did commit a crime or not.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, they do make decisions. Every time they approach someone it is a decision. But, when you know someone stabbed someone 5 times, you take them in, have them give a formal statement, and then diverge into procedures from there.
jesse9o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they can decide to give warnings, or overlook minor offences, but it's not their job to say whether someone has or has not committed a serious crime.
If someone stabs someone else repeatedly, you cannot overlook it. It has to be investigated, and the stabber has to be processed. Yes this situation is pretty clear cut, but others might not be.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legally though it is the cops call. That doesn't mean she won't be arrested later or charged.
but I do agree with your sentiment and I am sure she was required to give a formal statement and investigations will continue.
You just compared two different scenarios. Driving drunk should never be dismissed, however using whatever force necessary to defend your 12 year old daughter from a grown man assaulting her is definitely going to be overlooked.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say this was the same scenario at all. I said that allowing police to pick and choose which laws they want to uphold is a dangerous thing.
You didn't explicitly or implicitly say they that. You straight up said it shouldnt happen. This is most definitely a time that it would be good practice and I'm sure 99% of the population would agree. YOU DON'T MOLEST PEOPLE. ESPECIALLY NOT CHILDREN.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying people should molest children? I am saying people shouldn't stab someone and then have no investigation on a single persons whim.
You straight up said it shouldnt happen.
Put a ">" and then copy and paste where I said whatever you're saying I said.
Verizer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are implying they should arrest and investigate everyone for any reason. Arrest is often unnecessary. They can investigate people without putting them in jail. It's not a case where the charged is likely to run away or miss a court date.
Even then, its highly unlikely this would go as far as a jury trial. It would likely be just a judge and a few lawyers filling out paperwork in a room.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:38:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arrest/processing is not the same thing a imprisonment. It just the steps required to set a court date. Not every single person that is accused of a crime is in a jail right now.
Verizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just reread the comment chain...
You realize your interjection is entirely tangential to the topic? No one said the police should get to decide whether or not a case is processed.
You pretty much derailed the topic, no wonder there are so many confused comments in this tree.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is how message boards work. All my replies have been contained within my parent comment. If you don't care about the tangential conversation just minimize that portion of the thread.
I'm not really interested in the fact that someone stabbed another person so much as the philosophical/legal debate about whether it is the duty of police to uphold the law or decide what it is.
Verizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and? Most of these other people are not here for the
philosophical/legal debate about whether it is the duty of police to uphold the law or decide what it is.
There here because they missed the topic change and thought you were advocating the police arrest the lady for protecting her daughter, like a bunch of robocops incapable of understanding context.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not my responsibility to ensure each and every person can understand context. I have to assume that people are reading the thread and not just individual responses, otherwise I'd be expected to explain the entire thread each response. In every case that I felt I had been misinterpreted I tried to clarify, and back up my claims. I don't see the problem with discussing this here.
You said they should be arrested and investigated. Investigated, sure. Her daughter is the witness, an arrest shiuld be made only on the scum that assaulted the daughter.
No. He said they should be processed. In situations like these, you still need to go through proper procedures to make sure you don't end up letting someone go in the future in what looks like another clear-cut case. We have a prosecutor, judge and jury in our legal system for a reason. She still committed a crime (assault). It's up to the prosecutor to decide to take the case to court and the latter to decide if the act happened. If so, they can decide if it was justifiable.
You said no cop should make the decision and that it should be left to the attorney or w/e you know what you said. Don't try and wriggle free from it.
I'm done with you. I have better things to be doing right now. I will not respond to anything more you say. Toodles, Richard.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you're not making a good argument. You can just cut and paste what you're referring to if it actually happened. I can't defend myself against something you won't specify.
Yeah, and let's arrest people who defend themselves when being mugged or having their homes burglarized, right? Where's the limit? Should the girl have been arrested if she was the hitting him while he was raping her? IDK where this happened but using force to defend yourself or family especially in your own home is pretty protected in my state.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police aren't the ones that decide if force is justified, a jury does.
If a police officer shoots someone should we just accept their word that it was self-defense? Hell no, it should be investigated.
If someone just shoots a guy and then calls the police, the police's job is to send it to the courts, not decide if the guy had it coming.
Police aren't the ones that decide if force is justified, a jury does.
No, a DA does. Police ARE the ones who decide whether to arrest or not at a crime scene. Initial decisions to arrest have no bearing on any further investigation and if the person is not a flight risk or a danger to others then there's no danger in not arresting them at the time of the incident.
There's literally no downside to letting this woman go about her life with her child.
First of all, the number of stabs is irrelevant. She stabbed him until he stopped raping her daughter. Whether it took 1 stab or 10 isn't the point.
Secondly, they don't have to process her, in fact arresting her when she has a young daughter who was just raped would be cruel. She needed to take care of her daughter, be with her at the hospital, etc.
Third, it's not up to the cops, it's up to the prosecutor. The cops will speak to the woman and her daughter and write their reports. The prosecutor will be informed and he may want to speak to everyone involved as well, and then he'll make the decision to charge her or not.
It sounds to me like the cops handled this properly.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once he realized he was beimg stabbed her went after her. They were able to shove him out the door, and then he kicked it in. He was a violent child rapist, and she was protecting her daughter and herself. What's so hard to understand?
So I'm an idiot and we're all retarded, but you are defending a violent child rapist? Do you really think you are on the right side of this?
Maybe if you had read the article you wouldn't come as an idiot or as defending the rapist by asking things that were explained there.
then why were the stabs to his chest if he was on top of the daughter during the stabbing?
youre an idiot. youre all retarded and im so glad none of you are smart enough to be part of the legal system
The pair struggled over the knife as they fought, the report says. The man grabbed the woman by the neck, threw her against the wall, and later kicked down the front door after she pushed him outside, the report says.
The woman and her daughter suffered lacerations to their hands during the struggle, the report says.
On the other hand - what kind of message are you sending if you arrest and charge someone that was protecting a child? Standing up for your children that are actively being sexually assaulted will get you charged? Bad precedence.
superkp ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:08:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you are assuming that charges and trials are always put on in order to find someone guilty.
This isn't the case. It's to find the truth. In this case the truth is quite clear and while charges will be put forth, the truth is that the person committing assault (with a deadly weapon) was doing so in a perfectly legal manner. So, no punishment.
AND you reinforce a precedent of "people who protect their children from rape are allowed to assault the perpetrator, with prejudice"
Verizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Stupid media. Instantly arresting and charging anyone no matter the circumstances is dumb. Worse is how news media plays up anything they can for drama. They are charged? Assumed guilty by news. Always. What the change is doesn't even matter.
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're setting the precedent that if you physically attack someone you will have to justify it in court. Police are not judges and should not be given the authority to decide who is guilty or not.
There is plenty of evidence of what happened. If she was in the wrong they can charge here later. She doesn't need to be arrested on the spot for what seems to be a fully justified action stopping a sexual assault.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is plenty of evidence of what happened.
Then she should try and get it on record as soon as possible. I'm not saying they need to hold her, just process her.
If she were charged with assault as you were saying in a previous post they would be required to hold her until a hearing where a judge can set bail or release her. If this happened on a Friday and Monday were a holiday she could be in jail for 4-5 days before being let go. If she works a full time job that has her working weekends she very likely could lose her job.
All for protecting a child.
When stuff like this happens it is going to be on record without needing her to be processed outside of what they learn at the scene and a field interview. If it later came back that she may have acted illegally they would have no problem arresting her at that point.
If you're saying that she should be in front of a court purely because she stabbed someone, then yes, that's going to happen. There's 0 way she'll not testify unless the guy says he did what he did, and then she was well within her rights to do what she did. So I don't understand putting someone in jail for doing something within their rights?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said she needs to be imprisoned, I said she needs to be PROCESSED. When you get a ticket, they process you then and there. You're expected to show up to court or pay the ticket.
There's a difference between ignoring something, processing someone, and imprisoning them.
The difference is she didnt assault him, if you're saying the police just should not trust anyone's story and follow due process in court of law, sure that works but in a perfect society which doesn't exist. What do you mean by "processed". When you get a ticket they write you a ticket with a date to show up in court. Processed normally means you went into jail. I'm saying I'm 100 sure they're going to have an investigation, its a multiple stabbing, they don't just slap their hands and say "wrap it up boys!" immediately. Just what are they processing her for? She didn't commit a crime, and define processing for us.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is she didnt assault him
What do you call stabbing someone 5 times?
What do you mean by "processed".
I mean they should take note, and the prosecuting attorney should decide if the case has merit, not the police officer.
She didn't commit a crime, and define processing for us.
She did, she stabbed someone 5 times. That may have been self-defence (it pretty clearly is if the facts are true), but self-defence is something you argue with as an affirmative defense. You admit that you did the thing, but had good cause.
By processing I mean they should process her. They should take note of who she is, what she did, collect the evidence (the knife, blood, clothing). They should do their jobs. And then the prosecuting attorney and courts can do theirs.
They do those things man I don't know what you're on. There's a difference between assault and self defence, it's not assault if she was acting in self defense. Those are two completely different things. I even said it there but why do you think they wouldn't investigate this? IT'S A MULTIPLE STABBING they will 100 % investigate it. You're using poor terminology and arguing about literally nothing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
look at my other series of responses on this tree. I explain how self-defense is an affirmative defense, and not something you just say and walk away from the crime scene with.
I don't know what everyone's problem here is. You're arguing that even a clear-cut case like this should follow standard procedures so they will not be able to set a legal precedent for future events. I don't get why people are arguing with you on this. We have procedures for a reason.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:11:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HolySheed ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:50:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police discretion just means the cop gets to decide whether to arrest you at the scene or not. It has nothing to do with a LEO deciding guilt. The word you're likely thinking of is prosecutorial discretion.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SlaveryNot arresting domestic abuse was a normal practice until we stopped doing it. Just because something is the norm doesn't make it the correct/moral thing to do.
I changed slavery to DA because people were upset.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, why should someone doing exactly the same thing be treated differently? What makes person A deserve a warning but person B should get the max fine?
First time offender vs many time offender. Age, experience. Some of the people in this thread blow my mind with how black and white they are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First time offender vs many time offender
So someone that gets unlucky and does the same sets crime should be held to a higher standard than someone that got lucky?
Age
Do we let people get out of contracts because of their age? Do we just ignore people's debt because of age? Why would age have anything to do with your decision making?
experience
I'm not sure what you mean. Experience being arrested? In life? At their job?
A many time offender has had a warning. Doing it again literally makes them insane if they think it will have a different outcome and keep doing it.
Someone who's young is going to do stupid shit because kids will be kids. But now in today's world everything gets overblown. For example if kids in school got in a fight (not being bullied, thats different) they weren't reprimanded, rather they learned from that experience where now you can't even use self defense in school without being punished, you have to accept a beating if it's coming and if you can't run you're screwed.
Experience ties in to both.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A many time offender has had a warning.
And someone that just gets warnings but no citations has had warnings too. You don't know everyone's particular details, and neither does that cop.
Someone who's young is going to do stupid shit because kids will be kids.
Someone that is 18 is legally an adult. Adults are adults. Children's records get expunged, and have no bearing on this.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does she have to be charged with assault automatically? Prosecutors can exercise discretion, and the grand jury can decide whether to bring charges. She doesn't have to be charged with assault with zero regard for the circumstances, and then have to be defended. That's what happened in the TX father case and IMHO it was perfectly appropriate without an overabuse of judicial resources. You would need 10x the amount of lawyers you do today if you automatically charged every person who ever hurt someone with assault regardless of the results of the police investigation.
I would be okay with this but only if they could do it without arresting her. The poor child needs her mother now more than ever. Arresting her would make a bad situation 10x worse.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think she should be processed but not processed?
I don't know the legal term, but they can take down her information without putting her in jail. She would be told not to leave until it's decided if there will be charges and from there she may have to appear in a trial. I think it is still legally classified as an arrest, but without the handcuffs and the night in jail. This happens all the time in home invasion cases were the home owner shoots the guy, for example. Still processed. I agree that due process is fundamentally important.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is still legally classified as an arrest
That's what I was getting at with my reply to you.
Okay, I think I must have worded my initial comment poorly. I think there should be accountability still, just that police can choose to handle it gracefully in cases like these.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The police should be treating everyone the same. How many times have they got the WRONG person? They should be treated just as well as this lady, they didn't do anything wrong either. You can't pick and choose when it comes to enforcing the law and do it fairly.
That's ridiculous. Why not throw the 12 year old in jail too then? The article says she was involved in fighting over the knife too.
Police are given wide discretion in situations like this for reasons that should be obvious. Of course they also make the wrong call sometimes too. It isn't about picking and choosing where you enforce the law, it is about applying the law appropriately according to how the law is written. There is nothing illegal about removing the violent rapist from the home and putting him in jail and telling the mother she will have to come to court and leaving her at home to take care of her daughter. I can't believe you would advocate otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of making her bail like $1 or putting her on house arrest, but once again usually it takes a judge to make those sort of decisions.
J354 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally what the courts are for... Not to mention that we don't actually know the full story. It's very possible the guy got aggressive upon being found and the stabbing was self defence, but that is for the courts to decide.
Yep. When I took my concealed carry class they were very clear that if you shoot someone in self defense you should be fully prepared to be arrested and processed. It's the DA that decides whether or not you get charged with anything.
Kidneyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So instead of waiting to press charges until they've actually determined whether or not what she did is even assault you want them to further traumatize the child by arresting the person who protected her while also costing the mother her job by throwing her in jail? What exactly is the benefit here? Cuz I can see a lot of downside but literally nothing good about what you're suggesting. Hell, even the state suffers from this as it's a complete waste of time and resources to charge and prosecute someone when they haven't even done anything illegal.
It isn't up to a cop to decide who was guilty of a crime.
But it is. That decision can later be overturned, but the cop is the first person who makes a decision if someone should be charged. This happens every day in our legal system and it's the way it works.
First, police don't charge anyone with anything. Prosecutors do that if they believe they have a reasonable chance of winning the case. This is how Ohio handles these cases:
With respect to the duty to retreat, there is no duty to retreat from oneโs own home before resorting to lethal force in self-defense, even against a cohabitant with an equal right to be in the home. See State v. Thomas, 77 Ohio St. 3d 323 (1997).
In Ohio, the right of self-defense is an affirmative defense, meaning that the burden of proof rests on the accused to prove that he acted in self-defense when he inflicted the deadly force. However, effective with the passage of SB 184, in 2008, under what is known as the โCastle Doctrine,โ if the lethal force was inflicted against a person in your home, temporary place of residence, or occupied car, you are now entitled to a presumption that you acted in self-defense. In this situation, the burden has now shifted to the prosecution to prove that you did not act in self-defense.
So basically, since she was in her own home, no prosecutor is going to pursue criminal charges because they would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she did NOT act in defense of her child, which they obviously can't do.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you assault someone EVER you should be processed. The number of stabbings doesn't matter. If you're truly using self-defense you can justify it in court.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more a matter of evidence. Prosecutorial discretion exists for a reason...they are allowed to look at a case and admit that pursuing it in court would be a waste of time and money, as it's just not at all likely that they would win. In a case like this, the cops will investigate and show their findings to a prosecutor who will likely say "there isn't a jury in this world who would convict" and leave it at that. Unless they find evidence that she was lying or things went down differently, she won't see the inside of a courtroom. And that's a good thing.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're missing my point. If you have a need to use self-defense it should be justifiable in court. It isn't up to a cop to decide. Their job is to process the parties involved.
I'm not saying you shouldn't blast someone's head off if they try and murder your family, I'm saying that after the fact you need to justify yourself to more than just a single police officer. They are NOT the judge or a jury of your peers.
If you assault someone EVER you should be processed. The number of stabbings doesn't matter. If you're truly using self-defense you can justify it in court.
You may have missed a part of our Constitution that says people are innocent until proven guilty. You don't need to justify shit in court; the state needs to prove what you did was illegal. You very obviously have a very superficial understanding of the criminal justice system.
Jrquick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on the fence about this. The courts are pretty clogged up as it is and it does no one any favors to exasperate the problem. Plus then the mom is getting charged legal fees, missing work, and her children could end up in foster care until all is settled which could take years. Not to mention how bad foster care is and the chance someone attempts to adopt her daughter before she can settle everything legally.
All of that would be "punishment" for saving her daughter from a life threatening situation that could have scarred her for life.
It also costs the state time and money to prosecute. The DA usually takes into account the ability of a jury to find a defendent guilty of the crime they are accused of. If they don't believe a jury would be able to find her guilty then it would be a waste of time and money to prosecute. They could have a grand jury review the evidence and decide whether to indict her on the charges.
At least this is my understanding of it based of my limited knowledge of the whole process. Maybe someone with more knowledge could jump in and help me out?
This is my plan during a home invasion. Shoot to stop and provide first aid as necessary, but beyond that, you fucked up by entering my home with my kids and wife home. If I didn't kill you, feel lucky that's the worst that happened.
There was no judge in that case. The grand jury didn't even indict the father and he was never arrested.
From the article: "Under the law in the state of Texas deadly force is authorized and justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault or sexual assault," District Attorney Heather McMinn told reporters. "All the evidence provided by the sheriff's department and the Texas Rangers indicated that's what was occurring when the victim's father arrived at the scene," she said.
Doesn't matter that he called for an ambulance, that he didn't mean to kill him, or that he provided first aid. He still wouldn't have been charged with anything.
I don't always like my state, but in this case.. yay Texas!
Please, since you're so pro at identifying sexual predators, go out in public more and call the cops on anyone you judge to be sexual predators. You'll be a true hero.
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 16:00:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because all sexual predators tell you what they intend to do once you get in a relationship with them. I'm sure he sat her down and told her he wants to rape her daughter and she totally agreed to it, right?
Stahner ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably. Had another dude yesterday tell me that treating all men like predators to try and keep yourself safe is dumb logic and that us women should just differentiate between good and bad people.
loki2002 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:56:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, she not talking about actually treating men like they're already sexual predators. She's talking about how a woman has to be on guard around unfamiliar, and even sometimes familiar, men. It's more like taking precautions to not be alone with them, know where the exit is, etc.
Thank you for understanding. When women have such a problem with assault that we can get together in a group and trade stories about what has happened to us then you stop assuming every guy is ok.
I haven't had a horrible assault happen to me but I have woken up to a guy fucking me, after not talking about it all or telling him in advance it was ok. There's just sketchy stuff men don't seem understand is not ok.
not according to most reasonable people, which is why that commenter was massively downvoted. Let's not act like their attitude is mainstream in any way
Stahner ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:50:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well i dont know about treating all men like predators, that's generalizing a small % of thugs to the entire sex. No different than treating all muslims like terrorists, for example. But yeah it's certainty not the females fault.
That's an insane thing to say. You can't screen every person you meet for every possible intention they might have, that's impossible. She met a man, thought he was great (psychopaths can be very very charming and convincing) and when she realized he was engaging in sexual assault on her child she protected that child. She's not a shit parent. She did her best from beginning to end and that's what parenting is about.
"He was convicted of aggravated assault in a 2011 Cleveland police case, and sentenced to one year of probation. Parks has other convictions for theft, felonious assault, failure to comply and drug trafficking, court records show."
You know how most people don't find "The One" the first time they try dating? Or how most relationships, let alone marriages, don't make it? That's because you don't really know someone until you've been around them long enough. People put on all sorts of shows to send you good signals in the beginning.
Dude just stop you have no idea the situation. Please stop making assumptions. Even if you were "right" and he does have priors that doesn't make her a shit parent.
Either way that's your opinion that she's a shit parent. It's insensitive, unthoughtful and just plain stupid considering you have NO idea the circumstances and yet you still defend this claim like you are sure that it's true.
If you're trying to just argue then just a choose a different topic because you were already very very wrong as soon as you made your first point.
This woman allowed literal documented human garbage in to her home and we are supposed to pretend that there were no warning signs that a violent man would commit violent acts?
Welp he doesn't have that plastered on his forehead. If she knew this about him it would be different but she didn't. If you look up every person you spend time with to see if they are a felon then that's really something. Might be a bit paranoid and obsessive but either way you can't expect everyone to do that and calling them a shitty parent for not doing that is just fucked up. Nobody's perfect.
She sure as hell should not be hailed as a hero. The mother's negligence set in to motion trauma that her daughter will live with for the rest of her life.
To me and I don't know what anyone else thought but she did what she had to do in that situation. I'm sure she blames herself even though this man could've seemed very normal and it could've happened to anyone. Please just change the way you think you're so terribly insensitive, judgmental and cruel.
You act like we're not fucking human dude. We make mistakes. It's hard to find someone's real self especially if you have feelings for that person. People can go their entire lives in a relationship to only find out the wife has been stealing from them for thirty years. It's hard to tell.
I feel bad for you. The lack of empathy you show is just cold. You understand the two people most fucked yo by this are the daughter AND the mother. Please take a look at yourself, if this happened to people you love I doubt you'd be so cold about it and if you would I feel even worse for you.
Assuming background checks are your go-to for bringing someone into your life, that might not be enough. The checks might even inadvertently backfire because then your guard will be down.
Some people who do bad things haven't gotten caught before. An example is in this thread, the 18 year old from Florida that got caught messing with his 12 year old family friend before that younger kid's dad beat the shit out him.
This man has a history of violence. It was irresponsible for this mother to bring him in to her house around her child.
"He was convicted of aggravated assault in a 2011 Cleveland police case, and sentenced to one year of probation. Parks has other convictions for theft, felonious assault, failure to comply and drug trafficking, court records show."
Fair enough, there is no fool-proof. However, I think more likely than not, a 31 year-old pervert would have some baggage following him that would be picked up by a background check.
miqotes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen you answer the question anywhere so do you perform background checks on everyone in your life that you know?
Yup, usually lethal force is only allowed to defend your own life or the life of another person, but in many cases lethal force (whether it be with a gun, knife, etc) is also allowed to stop a sexual assault.
Gratha ยท 581 points ยท Posted at 15:04:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The justification being there's no expectation for you to ascertain if assault is the only thing on the assailants mind. Assault can always lead to murder especially if the perp is trying to conceal the act.
In my state at least, rape is considered a forcible felony, and liable to cause great bodily harm. Even without the risk of death, the crime is severe enough to warrant lethal force in order to stop or prevent it.
True. For all you know her was gonna kill the girl after. No telling what someone that far from the rules would do
madbubers ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:55:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially after he was caught...could've been a double murder....
hoxtea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad it wasn't. Should have murdered the boyfriend, spent years learning the necromantic arts to rip his screaming soul back from the depths of hell, just to murder him a second time.
Exactly. Someone that can justify the rape a kid probably isn't too far off from being able to justify the murder of a witness. I'd feel like I was in danger.
I mean walking down the street eating cotton candy CAN always lead to murder. By that logic you just justified killing literally anyone. Welcome to America. Shoot first. Ask questions later.
especially if the perp is trying to conceal the act.
Ehh, that doesn't really make sense. Most people who have have committed a crime would try to conceal it, no?
357Magnum ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 15:04:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually deadly force is ok to prevent reasonably certain death or great bodily harm. Rape, especially of a child, is definitely capable of causing great bodily harm, so deadly force is likely justifiable.
Also, I might be mistaken, but some states recognize use of deadly force to stop a forcible felony, which child rape would also fall under. Pretty sure FL is like this.
In some states, like Florida, you or the person you're defending does not have to be in life threatening danger. You can kill a robber or burglar for example.
That extends from castle doctrine, where it's assumed that if somebody is breaking into your property ("castle"), they have malicious intent and force is warranted.
There have been a few cases where a criminal was shot as he/she ran away, and castle doctrine was no longer a defense. So it has some stipulation.
Yup. That's the problem with these kinds of laws. They escalate the situation before it's even started.
Incidentally this is basically the argument for a (mostly) unarmed police force, that if the criminals know regular cops don't have guns, they feel less inclined to get or use one themselves. Hard thing to implement though.
In many places, lethal force is also legal to prevent arson. Presumably since arson can be seen as a lethal threat to everyone in the area.
frnzwork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not all jurisdictions allow it for other individuals
nascentia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, deadly force (or threatening deadly force) is usually allowed to protect your life, to protect yourself from getting SERIOUSLY injured, to protect someone else's life, or to prevent a forcible felony.
Florida's deadly force statute, for example:
A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
And for those curious, a forcible felony is:
โForcible felonyโ means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it still legally justified if it's excessive where you could have stopped but continued the beating? Because there was a homeowner that killed two burglars trespassing, but he carried it out over maybe twenty minutes and got charged for being unnecessary death and excessive
Its whats called a legal "grey" area. Not really a great position to be in either way and comes down to whether or not the locals are convinced by your story. You can defend yourself but your going to to be scrutinised for it. Better to be paying lawyers to keep me out of jail than six feet under imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. It's defenitely illegal. The moment you realize that there's no threat anymore you're not covered by self-defence laws anymore. As far as I know that's the law pretty much everywhere. In some cases you might also have the right to arrest the attacker (i.e. hold them until the police arrives) but if in that case the limitations on your actions are typically even stricter.
It can however be quite hard to prove that you knew that the danger was over.
In /u/deftones1 scenario the question is mostly whether there's a confession or some other conclusive evidence. If you admitt that you continued hitting someone because you wanted to hurt them you'll be found guilty. If you're smart enough to say that you weren't sure whether you had rendered the attacker immobile you should stand a decent chance of getting off.
As long as your at risk of great bodilly harm you can protect yourself with a gun. I wasnt talking about if you were to tie someone up and shoot them later on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think them being unconscious would count, too...
Even if it wasn't legal, good luck getting a jury to believe it wasn't justified.
TalShar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno how it is elsewhere, but here in NC and most southern states of the US we have what we call the "Lethal Trifecta." If you have reasonable cause to believe that someone is about to murder, inflict "grave bodily harm," or sexually assault yourself or someone in your presence, lethal force is authorized.
Plus, there's prosecutor/police discretion. Even if something violates the letter of the law, the prosecutor can decide "yeah, I'm not trying this", or the cap can decide "I'm not going to arrest you for this".
That is not correct. The courts have repeatedly recognized "grievous bodily harm" as sufficient to use lethal force. Rape or attempted rape has also been repeatedly found to fall within the scope.
In my state, lethal force is permissible to prevent death or seriously bodily harm, or to prevent the use of a weapon in commission of a felony.
ManyPoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're police then you just need to remember the magic phrase "I feared for my safety"... just wait for them to move an arm or something and just unload!! Empty that clip into their chest! Then just cuff the body and repeat the magic incantation as often as necessary. If you make sure people see you, you can even get a paid vacation from work!
That's not how the standard. It's not just "I feared for my life" it's "I reasonably feared for my life." If the average person would not have reasonable feared for their life in a situation then a killing is not supposed to be ruled justified (though things don't always work out that way on the ground, like in Philando Castile's case).
I don't care if it's legal or not. If someone ever sexually assaults my family, friends... or really anyone and I catch them, they will die. That would be worth going to prison for, imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault is always a threat to someone's life. You don't know what kind of diseases a person has, and they may not know either. And if they get someone pregnant, complications could kill them.
TechyDad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very least, the judge would likely take into account your mental state at the time. If I saw someone sexually assaulting one of my sons, I wouldn't exactly be in a rational state of mind. I'm pretty nonviolent most of the time, but I think seeing that would flip me into a "kill with my bare hands" mode.
rlpaty85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas (as of 2010 at least) it was legal for someone to use lethal force in defense of yourself, others, your property, or the property of others. I was armed security for a little while and they made it clear its wasn't the company's policy to kill, but it would be allowed under Texas law.
Clearly? I'm not sure what your point is. Having to prove, potentially to a jury of your peers, that a homicide you committed is justified is not the same as it being "not legal" like you originally said.
kuzinrob ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:07:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TDIMike ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful about making broad assumptions like that. Legality in one state doesn't automatically carry to another.
DDRDiesel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In most states, self-defense is classified as "defense of a first (self) or third (other person) party in the case of immediate danger of physical harm from another party". So it should be safe to assume that she'll be let go on those grounds, also temporary insanity in that she walked in on her boyfriend on her daughter and just fucking lost it
In common law at least, it's voluntary manslaughter rather than murder if 1. a reasonable person would do it (as in what made the defendant do it would enflame a reasonable person) and 2. It fell into one of the "adequate provocation" categories: battery, mutual combat, illegal arrest, witnessing adultery, and witnessing the injury or abuse of a family member.
That's only for states that don't have their own specific statue regarding voluntary manslaughter. Not sure if it applies in this case but if so, the mom definitely is in the right.
tj111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohio in general is pretty lenient as it relates to self-defense laws. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty confident that there's 0 chance this mom gets charged.
zeonchar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd still rather be wrong later than be raped/killed/assaulted or have another raped/killed/assaulted.
There's a saying in the military that goes, "Better to be judged by 12 than buried by six."
cinred ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. She should have called the police and let the system work so that he could be out again in 3 years to rape her daughter again at 15.
And dont try to tell me that is not likely to happen.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Articles like this warm the heart (as a father of two young girls, I say that with all sincerity).
perplex1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. And I understand the father's perspective completely. Our daughter's are everything to us -- as in, my world would end if anything happen to my daughter.
So for this guy to see some POS on his daughter and she in distress? I'm 100% positive he went insane for a brief moment -- adrenaline and rage at the utmost extreme levels, which led to the guy's death. It wasn't until he came back to his senses and became rational once again that he understood he murdered this guy.
SomeDEGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And lets be honest, even if the prosecutor decided to pursue it no jury would ever convict.
A friend of a friend of a friend once got away with stabbing his Pakistani girlfriend's father to death after finding out that he was beating and raping her for going out with an Englishman.
After confronting him and warning him to stop, the father taunted him about how he couldnt stop him and that hed do it all he wanted. In a fit of rage he stabbed him to death.
He was on remand for it and was going down for it, until news reached back to Pakistan and three women who as children were continuously abused by the father flew out here on their own money to testify against him, which helped this dude's case. Got off on a suspended sentence or something like that. That was back in the 90s.
Law student here so take it with a grain of salt, but when we went over a case similar to this (except the father killed the rapist) my professor said the highest any rational prosecutor would go is manslaughter. There's no way to convict someone for first or even second degree murder in a situation like that; most judges would overturn it.
If you sexually assault a minor it falls under the category of aggravated sexual assault, which tends to carry a much harsher sentence. At least, that is how it works in my state.
Even if it wasn't legal I would hope a jury has enough sense to clear her of all wrongdoing and put the man in jail for rape, 2 counts of assault, child endangerment, child pornography, and whatever else can be thought up to put him away for a long time.
This varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so don't break out the knives yet.
kmlaser84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: Don't get your legal advice from Reddit. Laws describing when and how you can defend yourself and others can be VERY different from State to State...
Rape is considered a forcible felony, especially when it involves a child. In most states that means that if you witness someone in the commission of such a crime, you can legally use lethal force to make them stop.
nomfam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worth noting that in most states the laws pertaining to how you are allowed to use a gun inside your house, for self defense, vary greatly if a child is in another bedroom or somewhere in the house and you THINK that the child might be in danger. It's pretty much open shooting season at that point if a home invader is inside your house.
I know a guy that walked in on his girlfreind being raped. He beat the guy mentally retarded. Like he fucked his head up for life. The rapist then treid to sue the guy, but failed.
Meangunz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that I think might end up being bad for the woman is the fact that she stabbed in the back of the head. Hopefully circumstances shows that it was necessary, but a back of the anything wound can be view as someone fleeing and being attacked.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not, if he is on top of someone, His back would be to you. No fleeing involved.
Meangunz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but the defense could play that angle and say he wasn't at the time of that injury. Hopefully not
MLein97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless if she premeditated it, in which case it would be an issue, like setting a boobytrap or purposely getting her daughter in this situation, but that does not seem to be the case here at all.
Rhamni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Perfectly appropriate, and a shame he didn't die and save the taxpayers some money.
bronabas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was in Texas. We donโt fuck around down here on self-defense/defending your family. I hope Ohio shows the same level of Justice in this particular circumstance.
logicthug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This situation is specifically stated in Arizona law as a justifiable reason for use of deadly force. Doesn't even have to be a parent.
It's technically not legal, but no jury in the world would convict, so it's a waste of prosecutorial resources.
CGY-SS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said this in a similar thread last week and I'll say it again: Ain't a jury in the world.
Khayrian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also find it strange that nowhere in the article does it say "self defense" rather than "fit of rage" several times. The guy assaulted her daughter, grabbed the mother by the neck, lacerated her and her daughter's hands with wounds, and kicked the door down once she finally got him out of the house.
Hollirc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better to be judged by a jury of peers than buried by a gathering of family.
I think this falls under the "if you ever find yourself in the situation its worth the jail time" concept.
Besides self defense during a rape is okay, but not if its your child? That's madness! If she had premeditated it would of been a bigger knife not a pocket knife. She might have grabbed a gun.. This sick fuck deserved worse. The woman should get a free pass to stab him a few more times in my book
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, the woman shouldn't talk to the cops at all and only talk to a lawyer from here on out.
Great, so can she now go back and finish the job ?
TrueGlich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defense of others is always a sticky situation . if she could him in the act and just reacted ya shes most likely in clear. Any sort or pre-mediated revenge and its a no go..
Even if the was illegal it was still TOTALLY worth it. They'd just have to fucking charge me. I'd make fucking sure the dude was not alive to testify, though.
NCHippy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using a knife in my state would be illegal. Especially if he died. Shooting the bastard would not be illegal. That said, it's unlikely anyone would be charged with the crime of stabbing the bastard.
There is such a varying degree of legality when it comes to defending yourself and others.
MusicMagi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has a daughter, I'm thankful to know this is a thing.. just in case.
hurxef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal or not, I would think the prosecutor wouldn't pursue the car if they didn't think they could find a jury that would convict her, right? IANAL.
mrpeppr1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention no jury would convict even if it went to court. It would be a waste of time for the da to recommend charges and would be bad press for reelection if the sheriff arrested her. Literally no one wants to arrest, try, or convict her, which speaks volumes to how fucked up this guy is.
Glad he wasn't charged with anything. I think we'd all do the same if we were in that position. Can you get away with that if you're not in Texas like he was though?
I know it is legal in Utah. The laws for protecting others says that if the offender is committing a felony when you are defending yourself or another, lethal force is legal.
You've got to think a competent lawyer could get manslaughter charges with no prison time, but maybe court mandated therapy. Any reasonable human could get violent if they saw someone assaulting their child.
merme91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I was scrolling down trying to find out what could happen to the woman. I was so worried she'd end up in prison and had leave her daughter alone. I hope she won't be convincted and they can work through this together, it's horrible.
What is "legal"? It's basically what a jury won't convict you for. If there was video footage of the guy putting his hands up, then shooting or stabbing him after that is going to be murder. In cases where there is no clear cut evidence you will likely not get charged. Also hopefully you didn't say anything to the cops like "he deserved it, I'm glad I stabbed him" etc.
There was a case where store owner shot a guy for robbing a store but thief was on the ground with his hands up and was convicted. It's difficult to say what anyone will do in the rage of the moment but it's tricky legal ground.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the first story I thought of when I saw the thread title
IANAL but self defense is an affirmative defense which means you admit to committing assault, a crime, but argue you should not be found guilty because you were defending your daughter. You still need to get charged with assault to raise this as a defense.
Also the DA has to take into account whether or not a jury will convict someone for killing the person abusing their child, especially if done in their presence. Most people, myself included, would probably be inclined to acquit someone with those charges. I have no sympathy for those who take advantage of people weaker than them-none.
The good thing about the US justice system is you can break a law without a doubt, black and white case closed and the jury can still decide not to convict. If the jury feels as if you breaking a law was justified then they can acquit.
The best part of that case was when a reporter asked the local sheriff if he was going to charge the father. He just smirked at the camera, and said, "No."
Let's discuss lethal use of force. Note: I just reviewed my states laws, but yours may be different.
First: nobody has the obligation to allow another to harm them or other people.
You can use force, lethal or not, to prevent that harm.
The challenge, of course, is to correctly define 'harm' and determine the appropriate amount of force. If somebody calls your mom fat, you may feel harmed, but nuking the city in response is generally seen as way to much force in reaction.
Gotcha: that force USED doesn't have to kill the other person to be lethal force. I shoot you, but you don't die, still lethal force, just not lethal outcome. Thus many actions may be use of lethal force even if you aren't using a gun or knife. Pick up a rock? Could be lethal. Trip you off a curb? Could be lethal. Hit you with a stick? Could be lethal. Am a 250 lb weightlifter hitting a 98 lb man? Could be lethal. The point I'm making is 'what is lethal force' is a criminal justice judgment call.
Ok, so if I have the likelihood of causing death (or serious bodily harm is usually attached), when can I do that harm?
In general, when people's bodies are being damaged, or are about to be, you can use force. If the damage is likely to be significant, you can use significant force. In this case, rape of a minor is pretty significant physical damage, so using pretty significant force is legal, thus stabbing the man is OK.
Gotcha: Usually, damage or theft of physical property isn't considered enough harm to justify lethal force. So, a shoplifter can be physically restrained, but you can't shoot a shoplifter. Usually.
Gotcha: remember how enough force to be considered lethal is a judgment call? It has to be made twice, once by you (if considering using force) and again by the police/courts. Big man, but not 250 lb trained fighter, hitting smaller man, but not 98 lb weakling? Is it worthy of lethal force or not? You get to decide in the heat of the moment, and if you hit/shoot/stab, well, the court/jury may get to decide also and God help you if they decide different than you did.
Gotcha: OK, so if somebody is actually doing harm to another, it's pretty clear the only issues are around if the harm was enough to justify the forced used. But... What if the actual harm hasn't started yet? If the mom was in the room and the guy yelled 'I'm going to rape this kid!' the mom shouldn't need to wait until actual rape was happened to act with rape-appropriate force. So, defining 'about to happen' is a judgment call that gets made twice, once by you and again by the law.
'immanent' can be a really slippery concept. For example, if a person yells 'I'm getting my gun from my truck and I am going to come back and kill you all' are you justified in shooting that person dead as they leave the room? Many court battles have been fought over this kind of thing.
Ok, next question: if you feel a level of force is acceptable and needed, when do you have to stop using force?
In general, it is acceptable to use appropriate force until the harm (or potential harm) has been stopped or prevented. So the mom was using appropriate levels of force to stop a rape, but if she continued to stab the man after he stopped raping, she is illegally using force and could end up charged but assault with a deadly weapon.
Gotcha: I know, you saw this coming. When the hell is harm 'stopped'? Judgement call, made twice by you and the law. If the guy kept raping but was yelling 'I'm stopping' is different than if he stops, gets off the child, curls up into a ball, and screams 'no no no stop oh God I'm sorry' Here too many court battles have been fought about when the use of force should have ended. Many people, lawfully using force to stop legit harm, have gone to jail for illegally harming the bad guy after its 'over' but they get in one more punch, or stab one more time, or finish with a curb stomp of a downed opponent (which may feel satisfying and look good in Hollywood productions but is not in the real world).
When it's over is a really sticky question, and the second judgemental call by the court/jury happens in a sterile, calm room well after the fact, informed only by boring and fragmented testimony. Very little weight can be given to the emotional and chemical/hormonal experience of being involved in the use of force... And in the heat of the moment when you can even realize it's 'over' can be very different than a jury might Monday morning quarterback the even, especially if there was a struggle and you were getting hurt while hurting the other.
OK, because thus wasnt complex enough...
Gotcha: who started it matters, as does who kept it going. If you initiated by calling somebody else ugly, and they react, you can't suddenly realize they are so scary that you felt immanent threat of serious bodily injury and then shoot them in self defense. In general, the acceptability of use of force hinges on you not initiating, or even not escalating or continuing (somebody calls you ugly, you respond by calling them a Nazi = you escalated/continued the altercation). This gets complex in the real world. Did you follow somebody because they were suspicious? That can be interpreted as initiating if the person you follow reacts leading to a use of force. Yes, this should sound familiar from a huge news story a while back.
Gotcha: remember how usually a property harm doesn't justify lethal force? Not if it's big enough. Shoplifting a watch isn't, but robbing a bank vault is. Size of harm matters, and they way this usually translates into criminal law is something like lethal force is acceptable to stop felony crimes, but not misdemeanor crimes'. In other words, I could be permitted to use lethal force to stop an immanent kidnapping (felony) but not an actually occurring misdemeanor assault. Yes, you read that right, if you want to use force, especially lethal force, you need two judgement calls about the type of harm/crime that's happening... You then the court.
So, lethal force is often very legal. But it is never easy, and things that can seem right can be incredibly illegal, and vice versa.
Some side observations: every time we, as a society, create a new criminal felony or upgrade a misdemeanor crime to a felony, we are in essence saying 'if a person does this, it is so bad it will be OK to kill or try to kill a person doing this thing in order to stop them' which is a frame we rarely put on discussions about crimes. It's enlightening to look at crimes that we consider felonies and ask if you feel death is OK to prevent the crime.
Final observation: no duty of retreat / castle doctrine is not evil pro-death law but enshrining certain judgment calls into law.
In general, castle doctrine is a legal way of saying 'if somebody enters your home against your will and you are there, there are no judgment calls about if they were there to do significant and immanent harm. By default, they were, so if you decided to use force or lethal force we will go with your decision and not allow the court to choose differently'... A very different frame than can be presented in the press by anti-castle-doctrine people.
Same with duty to retreat. A duty to retreat adds a other court judgment call, which is 'well, no matter what else, could you have run away instead of using force? If so, your use of force was illegal.' it might be argued, for example, that the mom should have screamed 'stop raping my little girl' and then fled to call the police instead of stabbing the man, as stabbing risks death and rape just risks you having been raped (unlikely you end up dead) which is an evil, but lesser evil than dead people.
In case its not obvious, I'm very pro-castle doctrine and against duty to retreat. It makes what is already a hard series of choices to make almost impossible to make, and so denies you what we started with, which is 'nobody is obligated to allow harm to happen'
So Cleavland is a shithole, remember the dude that had a girl prisoner in the basement? This kind of behavior is what makes me not want a hyper loop going from Columbus to Chicago. Columbus will end up being as bad as Cleavland. The right to self defense though is what makes America better and different than most nations. In the UK the mom would be going to jail. Likely if she gets to a higher court she'll certainly walk.
If you read the article, this turned into a very violent fight between the mother and boyfriend. He threw her up against a wall and then kicked down the front door after she locked him outside. When all is said and done, it probably will turn out to be a case of her defending herself, not just attacking her daughter's attacker.
838h920 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's due to "insanity" plea. Someone who arrives at a scene like this won't think straight, thus it's impossible to hold him accountable for what happened.
You're not allowed to do this, but they can't punish you either.
shokalion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I think the US judicial/police system has its problems, this is the sort of thing where they often will do the right thing.
If this was in the UK, even with that linked example, I wouldn't want to say with any confidence that the father, or the mother in OP's example wouldn't end up with some sort of criminal sentencing.
It's not exactly "legal" in the strictest sense. It is a homicide and the police can charge you with homicide and more than likely will. But self-defense or defense of another is considered justifiable homicide. It's a legal affirmative defense. More than likely this case will never see the inside of a courtroom because the DA will see it for what it is.
If that's is what happened.... We don't know we weren't there
Daghi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more a legal grey area, but it doesn't matter, no jury in the world would convict her.
FrenaZor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, when the mother came home, her boyfriend probably stopped touching the daughter. In the article it doesn't say that she stabbed him while he was raping her.
If she stabbed him after the rape was over, my opinion is that it is excessive force, even if he deserved it.
cowbey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even imagine the emotional scars the father will carry with hi to the grave. I hope both father and daughter have good counselors.
It's not legal. I agree with that man not going to jail. This mother will probably go to jail for her actions though, the tolerance for males acting violently to protect their offspring is much higher than the tolerance for women acting violently to protect their kids. The only chance for someone to react aggressively like this and get away with it is if it is the father. That said this mother's actions probably preserved her daughter's mental health to some extent. Mom will likely pay the price here (and in so doing will likely undo some of the damage, her daughter will know that just as someone was willing to do incredible harm to her, someone else was willing to pay an incredible price for her), but the daughter will be as well off as she can be considering what was done to her.
Axiomiat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why you stab limbs and less vital areas. They get all the pain and plenty of time to feel it. Then they get to serve time and feel shame(hopefully). Lethal stabbing is not enough justice. But then if they fight back, self defense is more important than the above.
Every principle stabber has pre-scheduled stabbing breaks
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing someone leaves emotional scars on the person that is stabbing. The tactile feel is pretty bad. That she kept stabbing shows that she would do anything to protect her child.
Before anyone asks, yes I was in military service When I learned this.
While I definitely agree, sacrificing my own emotional well-being to protect the emotional and physical well-being of my daughter is like a really low price to pay
There's plenty of people who've actually killed themselves following assaults solely because of the trauma, or even because of the like flagrant trend of victim blaming that happens both in real life and on the Internet
Sometimes an act of mercy that enables a monster makes you into something of a monster yourself
gunsof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mother and daughter had knife wounds on their hands so it looks like he fought back.
[deleted] ยท 1072 points ยท Posted at 14:28:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father molested my sisters. When my sister told her, my mom went and hid all the knives in the house so she wouldnt do exactly this. I feel so bad for the girl and the mom. A lifetime of therapy and struggle. But good for the mom for sticking up for her daughter.
[deleted] ยท 592 points ยท Posted at 15:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasnt so she couldnt find them. It was so that she would have to work hard enough to retrieve them that she would have time to think about the repercussions.
[deleted] ยท 437 points ยท Posted at 15:16:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OKC89ers ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dad probably wasn't home at the time, sounds like the knife equivalent of "put the gun down..."
kovyvok ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can sympathize but it seems like it would make dinner unnecessarily inconvenient.
I totally understand. But why do that instead of head down to the police station and report the case. There is no need to wait for him to come home and confront him about it. There is absolutely nothing he could say to make the action ok. Don't waste time playing with knives. Go report, pack your bags and leave.
algag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She can't just start stabbing the guy when he walks in the house. Vigilante justice is not self defense. When avenues which don't require force are obviously available for self defense, they must be used.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not wrong if it's in self defense, which in this case it was. She was defending her daughter from being raped...
Emberlite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can respect this, but at the same time, I feel like what is right and wrong changes situationally. (nothing is black and white argument.) I personally believe he deserved the stabs and actually much worse. Yeah people may argue that "people make mistakes," and that "people can change," but it takes an incredibly sick person to molest anyone, let alone an underage girl. Who's to say he won't repeat this crime? And it wasn't a simple mistake. It was a "I planned to walk into the room and monitored every single action but did it anyway," kind of mistake. It was very methodical. So, yes, while stabbing someone is wrong in general, I think the woman was justified in this case.
yayapfool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well as a popular comment brought up, if we look at this as a case like self-defense, where she's fighting off an offender, it's reasonable force.
But in terms of punishment, I don't think it's ever okay to say 'this person deserves to get stabbed'.
I'll be bleakly honest, I truly believe some people are beyond help in a reasonable way, to a point where nothing anyone can do for them will actually help them rehabilitate- but I still don't wish harm on them, I suppose I'd have to support a painless death or some other permanent sentence that guarantees they can do no harm...
Emberlite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely a good point. But what if we think about it in the sense that the 12 year old girl could not defend herself, so her mother stepped in and did it for her?
I understand not wanting to cause anyone harm and there's honestly nothing I can say to that because it's how you feel. As for the rehabilitation thing, it would be nice if that could help, but it will never erase what he did to that little girl. I also feel like rehabilitation methods need to be stepped up. We are only on the surface level when it comes to studying psychology (I feel I can claim this and not just throw that last sentence out there since I am studying it.)
But to go back to the discussion, the whole not harming someone for what they did reminds me of the Batman dilemma. I'm sure you know about how Batman refuses to kill anyone, including the Joker. I've always argued against that (even if it is just a fantasy) because the Joker continues to kill other people. Batman killing Joker would minimize the total lives lost. Destroying one is better than standing by and watching many others die, in my opinion. That's a scenario in which I believe abiding by one's morals is foolish.
I think the analogy is applicable here in that not harming the boyfriend allows him to continue his acts.
You do support a painless death though, if completely necessary, so I agree with that.
If you want a piece of cake and it's right in front of you, you may just have it.
If you have to go to the store, purchase a cake, think about it, and bring it back, you may have had enough time to decide not to eat the cake. As it has far too many calories.
Right. Like you still know exactly where you hid them. Unless she shoved them under a bunch of stuff that would require time to dig out that makes so sense........Im declaring shenanigans. I don't believe it
Honestly, that's pretty good thinking. At the very least, you can go "am I legally in the clear for this?"
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:25:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup thats what she says. She called the cops and they had us trick him into admitting it. He was locked away and we started the hell that was my childhood.
See, everyone is praising the mother from OP's story, but people like your mom are the true fucking hero here
Not every judge or jury will say it was self-defense to stab that man. Showing restrain and having enough foresight to see that risking jailtime is the worst possible outcome for your children, now that's heroic.
dianeruth ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:38:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not the same situation when you catch him in the act.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:54:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I was. It has been hell picking up the pieces and trying to recover. Plus, it would have cost me a lot less money. Hospital stays arent cheap and neither are therapists or psychiatrists.
uglybunny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no lawyer, but I would think that if you don't do the stabbing while the abuse is in process you could be charged with a crime. Self defense or the defense of another, from my understanding, requires an imminent or in-process threat.
nashist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, y'know, so they wouldn't be handy. Not that she didn't know where they were
Astaauand ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:13:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is wrong with parents who sexually abuse their kids. Isn't there something deeply ingrained inside of them that prevents them from being attracted to their offspring?
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:23:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he wasn't their father just mine. And you are asking what ive been asking my entire life. He also molested his sister growing up. From what my therapists have said its more about control than anything else. Also that offenders are often victims themselves who never got help. Which makes sene in his case cuz when we told his family what happened they werent shocked and said that we could deal with it as a family. Then they hated us for sending him to prison. Only 1 brother of his and 1 sister of his were on our side. Its completely fucked up and I dont understand how or why any of it happened. I just know we were left to pick up the pieces and have since thrived sdespite the chaos. We all still do therapy and this is 19 years later.
Astaauand ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:31:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just heart breaking. I don't know what to say
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much to say to that. Just teach your kids they can always tell you anything and trust that you will protect them no matter what. Teach them that their bodies are theirs and nobody has a right to touch them if they dont want to be touched, even family members or authority figures. Teach them to defend themselves and to immediately tell if anything even comes close to something they are uncomfortable with.
ExKage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
said that we could deal with it as a family.
What the fuck.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya apparently they knew it had happened to his sister and kind of just said stay away from her and then left it at that. Real fucked up.
Clearly they have no concept of the impact these crimes have on the victim. Like "oh the victims can just deal whatevs."
Glad you and your family have all had therapy and hopefully good therapists.
Wafer4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, your therapist is absolutely right. It's entirely about control. If you haven't read it yet, read "why does he do that?" By Lundy Bancroft. It's illuminating.
What's terrifying about this is that you said sisters.. I'm so sorry for what you family had to go through. Did your dad ever get charged?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:02:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, sisters. Yes he did. I have no idea when he gets out though. I think its coming up soon. I was only 5 so I wasnt allowed in court or anything but my mom said it was around 20 ish years he got. I don't think about it too often.
zeonchar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully the mom also reported him to the police and left the house with the daughter for the daughter's safety?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is a crazy though so I'm surprised she didnt just strangle him with his own belt.
I used to work with a guy. We'll call him Ralph. Ralph was like any other guy. He was kind of a raggedy redneck type, super stereotypical. Loved Mustangs, Dale Earnhardt, smoking, beer, etc. Not uncommon in this area. He wasn't unlikable, and could actually be pretty funny at times. A couple of times he would bring his daughter in to work. She was a pretty cute kid, probably about 9 or 10 or 11 years old.
One day I saw a news article about a man named Ralph who crashed his Mustang after leading police on a high speed chase after he was caught sexually assaulting a minor. I thought it was coincidence at first, but then I saw the picture of his crashed Mustang with the shitty multicolored panels and I knew it was him.
When I came to work, my boss told me the full story that they heard from Ralph's wife, that you didn't see in the newspaper because of privacy concerns for the minor. Apparently Ralph's wife had come home a little early one day, and caught him in the act of assaulting his daughter. She immediately called the police and he fled. The police found him from a description of his vehicle and gave chase. He ran across state lines before losing control and crashing.
It was pretty surreal having known both the victim and the attacker. I would never have thought that he was the type of person to do something like that. Sometimes you just don't know what kind of people you have around you.
In elementary school there was a family one block away from me. It was two girls, one in my class, living with their single father and his sister. Or maybe his sister would watch them while he was at work.
Never liked the man. He was grouchy and always yelling, but never thought anything else.
We moved and I changed schools and lost track of them. Later I read an article in the paper about a man sexually assaulting his daughters. Even though it had been years, I recognized his picture immediately.
It wasn't until then it clicked. Something always seemed odd. And they always seemed afraid to go home. It was heart breaking to realize that was happening a few houses away and I didn't know. (Granted at 8, how would I know that could happen. Still wish I could have helped sooner.)
Similar story, colleague is called at work one day by his wife, his face drains white, he says he has to go. Never shows up at the office again and higher ups just say, "he won't be back" after a couple days.
Finally months later we find out that his daughter told her teacher that her father had been raping her, she called mom. He was told to come to the child's school for an emergency and was promptly arrested. He spent a few years in a German prison before being expatriated to the US to stand trial there and was convicted.
The kicker is I was the one assigned to ease the family's transition, so I spent a week driving them around to various appointments, babysitting the kids, etc. I really liked the girl (she was 12) but thought mom and dad were obnoxious and he was a lying scumbag to work with.
But to mom's credit she believed her daughter, prosecuted him, left him, and has made sure he'll never see his children again.
Creepiest moment: they both laughed to me recounting how they starting dating when she was 17 year old "jailbait" - her words - and he was in his mid twenties. Regarding that comment in retrospect was chilling.
Derwos ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:22:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People can think of themselves as good, have a system of morals etc, be friendly and seem likable, and still do evil things.
Kortallis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately assualting a sex offender is considered a hate crime and brings up more time then stabbing a rival gang member. Not only that but they protect the shit out of them.
Sure glad my tax dollars are going to things that matter, like protecting pedophiles.
Kortallis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah :/
There is at least some good news though, lifers obviously don't care about time, and are normally rewarded for merc'in a pedo, so with luck a new guard will oupsydaisy and bye bye pedo. Or perhaps a corrupt guard will let something slip. We can hope.
For all the bullshit that the system has with it, it's a shame we put pedos in segregated blocks. Too bad we can't push legislation for removal of segregated blocks for sex offenders.
XXTwnz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She clearly didn't use a big enough knife or enough stabs or both because he could have killed her throwing her against the wall or when he came back inside after kicking down the door. Killing him was the only thing that would have been enough. So it is entirely right for everyone to question the size of the knife and the number of stab wounds.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Let's see how many holes it takes to fill him up."
farva_06 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given time and precision, any knife can do the job effectively (femoral or carotid artery, anyone?), but in this case where she had basically no time to think, just react, she did what she could.
Good News: Woman stabs boyfriend who tried to rape her 12 yr old.
Bad News: The slimy rectum waffle of a person is still alive.
Good News: Mom won't have to go through a trial to prove his murder was self defense.
Bad News: It'll probably be months before that creepy fuck ends up in prison. And that's only if he gets a conviction.
Good News: Rapists can get life in prison in Ohio!
Better News: That mother is clearly a strong woman and I know she and her daughter will manage to recover from this traumatic ordeal. She's a hero and I hope they find all the support they need to keep their small family safe and happy.
Beabosaur ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:49:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Slimy rectum waffle" has to be my favorite insult, I'll be remembering that one
hotcaulk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohio is pretty good on the subject. Spousal rape is even a separate criminal statute. The detectives in the central Ohio that I worked with were also very compassionate. I never felt judged while being interviewed.
Compare that to NC where consent cannot be revoked once given, even if your partner turns violent.
More better news: people in prison don't like child rapists.
bayleafy1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I remember reading a story about a guy in Brazil that raped his 1 year old kid, and then he got gang raped in prison...twice. like the hospital patched the guy back up and recommended he go to solitary, and the guards said fuck that and threw him back in the main part.
Damn, that's satisfying. Rapists deserve all the shit they get, especially child rapists. To violate anyone's body in such a crude and personal way is the most toxic and evil thing a person can do.
ds612 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he gets a welcome raping on his first day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Life" doesn't mean what you think it means in Prison speak.
zg6089 ยท 226 points ยท Posted at 15:12:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What parent wouldn't stab that stupid fucker
simpersly ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:53:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately not enough. Every year there are stories of parents letting and even encouraging their significant others abuse their children.
hotcaulk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first words out of my mom's mouth upon finding out I was sexually assaulted at age 3:
how could you do this to me?
Fun fact, she's a Supervisor at a psych/rehab facility. These types of people are everywhere and can play nice. I'm sick of people telling me she's "such a sweet woman." It's my Mom, I'll admit she can be very sweet but if she decides it's a choice between you and her ego she's picking her ego at any cost, even her own children.
verdant11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:24:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, women like that exist and procreate. And they are complicit.
One that has Stockholm syndrome from being in an abusive relationship. This woman was able to fight this fucker off, good for her. But the sad reality is, in many of these situations, the woman is in a state of fear and terror and is unable to fight or even report the incident to the police.
I may just be slow then. My brain just does not read it that way. Now that you guys have pointed it out though when I read it it sounds weird. Stupid brain.
Yeah idk my brain just reads the whole thing before formulating any opinion?
And like...I kinda scan the whole sentence and then read from the beginning, I guess. Hard to explain. It doesn't take any real time or anything, for me.
But I don't think it is about us being more "critically minded". For me at least, it's just that I read a lot, and have done since I was a kid. My brain is better trained at reading than at almost anything else.
Being ragenaut, I'd think that you're used to rollercoasters of rage like this...
But yeah, great title skills, makes me feel angry and vindicated at the same time
Well you see, this is called commenting on a post. It's no surprise that most of the top comments are saying the same thing, because most people seem to agree that this woman had the correct response and I'd wager that many, including myself, don't think she went far enough.
dagens24 ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 15:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess if you're going to stab someone this is a pretty good reason.
LexaBinsr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Child rapists should be killed, Rapists of adults should be forced into intensive psychotherapy to assess there potential danger of repeat acts and then depending on their level of depravity either killed or made to endure intense behavioral therapy and mental health help and empathy / compassion training.
Most people who rape don't don't it for sex but for emotional reasons. The ones who do it because they are actual predators or looking to force people for predatory reasons should be killed though.
Child rapists do it because they are attracted to children and that will never stop.
But in the case of people who know they have that predilection there should be supports to get them help and away from situations where it might happen.
If you commit a crime such as rape and emotionally traumatized someone for life, there is no excuse for that. You should be executed. I don't care if your mommy didn't give you enough attention when you were a little baby. There is no excuse for rape.
If you commit a crime such as rape and emotionally traumatized someone for life,
A lot of crimes can emotionally traumatize people ... I had PTSD from Drunk drivers hitting me twice. I had issues from being sexually assaulted. But I would rather someone have to go through a process of medical assessment first and its not just a root cause of mommy didn't give you enough attention. It typically is you didn't get trained to empathize with other people. Capital Punishment has a few cases for me. The prison system in america is a joke and mostly houses people with mental disorders now anyway without treating them and actually makes them more brutal and harder in most causes through worse traumatization.
Eye for an Eye never works to end the cycle. But in the cases of predators and sociopaths who enjoy sadism ... it is your only choice though i feel.
You're entitled to defend others using the same force and reasoning you'd use to defend yourself from the same harm (although it varies by state, things like deadly force get murky)
YuSik ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:56:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right, it's just that it is still called defense of others, it is a common law tort theory from England and while it may vary state to state, it is always referred to as defense of others, which was just my main point. That's all :)
Deadly force requires roughly equivalent force to be used by both parties, so if she had actually killed him, she might have gotten in trouble (at least in my state) for using a knife on someone who is unarmed.
Luckily, the douchebag survived so the mom shouldn't have to worry about it. I'd honestly be shocked if she gets charged with anything, no jury is going to convict her.
hio_State ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was the story awhile ago where the dad beat the living shit out of a guy that raped his daughter. Essentially beat to death if I remember, but the dad tried to resuscitate him afterwards. Judge didn't see it as excessive since the dad tried to "save" him.
If this guy was still able to make accusations about the mother and daughter after being stabbed, she should be scott-free even if they charged her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They still should investigate it.
TheHYPO ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:52:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
excessive force for sure, though I think that's a civil charge he'd have to take against her and not a criminal one?
hio_State ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:56:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no, if a man is raping your daughter in your home you get to stab the shit out of him. No judge or jury in the is going to award him a thing over his wounds. He is going to have no claims against her.
hextree ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except this isn't the first time this scenario has happened, and many of the stabbers/assaulters have indeed been successfully prosecuted.
hio_State ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not even investigating the mother kiddo.
hextree ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said they were. I'm talking about other scenarios.
812many ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:00:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excessive force isn't a thing for non-police people. It would be considered assault or battery if anything, but most likely considered self defense.
How is it excessive force? She used a pocket knife so small that six stab wounds didn't prevent him from kicking in the door. It sounds to me like she didn't use nearly enough force. Besides, I don't think there's a limit on the amount of force you can use to stop someone from raping a child, up to and including deadly force.
CO_XDm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not excessive force. Continue until the threat is gone. As long as he is still moving the threat is still there.
Criminally speaking, it is different. Emotionally speaking, I would also think it's different. They're both atrocious acts, but one is definitely worse than the other.
mijamala1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as what the crime is? Yes, this makes a difference.
As far as what services the 12 year old will need to get through this? Yes, this makes a difference.
As far as whether I think he should be punished harshly? No, this makes no difference.
[deleted] ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 14:41:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for putting it more clearly than I could.
There needs to be an investigation and a trial before judgment is passed.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the only time there is even close to a proper response to excessive violence on criminals is when police do it. The anti-cop narratives and higher expectations of police reign in the emotional response of the public and only then does the majority voice the importance of proper procedure. Outside of that, when stories like this get reported you get the traditional vigilante justice support comments that remind us how little we've evolved emotionally.
It's worst with situations of animal abuse. People see a neglected pet, and go full Light Yagami (megalomaniac antagonist of Death Note). It's often distressing to see... especially when the animal survived and made a full recovery, yet people are calling for torture and execution.
Abuse of authority is a whole other issue. Police should absolutely be held to a higher standard than the average person. They've been given the training, tools, and authority needed to handle situations like this in a civilized fashion.
I think most of the ill feelings and mistrust of police stems from the fact that corrupt and abusive behaviors often seem to go unpunished. Like half of the officers who people catch doing horrible shit just move down the road to the next police force and continue being police.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 14:42:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:51:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm terribly sorry. I am aware I don't fit in that well on reddit. I am neither a communist or a misguided constitutionalist.
Fresh_C ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious... what makes one a misguided constitutionalist?
My best guess is rigid conformity to the law of the land even when it seems morally wrong or against your personal interests.
Vehement support for some parts of the constitution and disdain for other parts, or support for the constitution only when it's convenient.
For example, a freedom of speech rally with lots of 2nd amendment activists where the organizer and many of his followers actively promote deporting non-white citizens in order to establish a white ethnostate.
In that case, "misguided constitutionalist" is probably the mildest possible term.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking of a polite way to include the alt-right, authoritarian, and Christian conservatives. I may be wrong in my idea of what constitutionalism is, as I've just read a few articles about it and a guy I know who identifies as one.
But from my experience, your description is also accurate.
You're definitely self righteous and narcissistic enough for reddit, though!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, did that really come off that poorly?
If so, what was offensive from that?
Fresh_C ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think your assumption that reddit is full of either communists or alt-right, authoritarian, christian conservatives, kind of comes off the wrong way.
It's possible (and probably likely) you were speaking in hyperbole. Especially considering you were replying to a joke.
But if not, I'd say your assumption is mostly wrong. There's a middle ground between those points of view and that's where most people live.
nashist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tillhony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think anyone denied in the article that they didnt find him naked on top of the girl....
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It worked well for the Boston bombing. Don't hate on pitchforks! They stab indiscriminately and that's the way we like em.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I'm feeling too.
At this point, everything seems to be against the man. But people lie and it's possible the story could involve more than what we read in this story.
If everything turns out to be true, I wholeheartedly side with the mother and feel what she did was right. Any mother would react the same way seeing what she says she saw.
cam2kx ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:26:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But thats the mentality that started this country.
Goddamn british. This is our country of outlaws, gosh darn it!
No, it's not. John Adams made sure that is country was a nation of laws, starting even before the Revolution.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boston massacre. Boston tea party. Lexington and Concord. All angry mobs of people fighting for what they thought was right.
Bullshit this country wasn't founded on pitchforks and torches. There was no lawful way to gain American independence. This country was founded on violent, unlawful revolution.
Keep in mind the laws were designed to give the advantage to a certain group of people.
WK--ONE ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what's changed?
cam2kx ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ew, gross, i no longer support the founding fathers, I learned we largely are all outlaws, never obeying or even knowing our own laws, fuck we don't even educatebour own people of all of our so important laws. Im done listening or caring to idiot laws. Like most victimless crimes.
1 downvote= one Trolled person.
My suggestion is to be grateful for those who aren't afraid to confront injustice. Without them a lot of injustice in America would have never changed. It may be misguided at times but be cautious when basing opinions off of mainstream media. A lot of change happens outside of protests.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:29:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A child being potentially raped is guaranteed to elicit a strong response, and rightfully so, but I understand where you are coming from. I tend to think of taking things down a notch as opposed to getting rid of it altogether. Anger or outrage are two feelings that have a rightful place in this world and they do work when applied correctly.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not going to deny that, but I trust many people to have their initial reaction and then calm down to take appropriate steps. I'd say more often than not, people can be responsible.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The state of the world we see in the virtual realm is based almost exclusively on what is posted. It skews the data for us. My remedy for this is to not take things at face value and when reading the news always assume there is missing information. This helps me to keep an intact view of society and not fall victim to sensationalism but understanding that there are real threats in the universe we should take seriously based on the fact that history most definitely can and will repeat itself. I think most may call that remaining diligent.
Oh, I'm all for punishing rapists to the fullest extent of the law, and maybe even extending the law to punish them more. But the rapist needs to be convicted first and must not be denied due process of justice before then.
No one is shouting "KILL RAPISTS". that's a deliberate and malicious lie you are ascribing to people over here. No body here said that rapist should be lynched or hanged after he was caught. Truly speaking, majority of folks here would be even against death punishment for this rapist. What they are saying is they understand the reason behind Mother's action who stabbed her daughter's molestor. In case you are not able to understand this sentiment, I hope you never parent a child.
Seriously. I hate that we have to do this, but people lie about sexual assault all the fucking time, so we can't automatically believe everyone. A 12 year old is smart but easy enough to manipulate (especially by a parent) that they could be coached to go along with it for any of a million different reasons as well. Obviously it's a stretch to think that's the case, but I'm willing to bet it's been done before.
i'm saying a little empathy and understanding could go a long way. rape culture is a problem. many women don't come forward because they're ashamed, and the ones that do are often blamed and discredited.
have a nice day
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment actually shows your lack of understanding. Instead of being defensive you should focus on what people are communicating to you, not just on Reddit, but in day to day conversations. People will really appreciate knowing that you're actually listening to them instead of just arguing.
You're taking the statements for face value, and while most likely true, you should always reserve doubt for a circumstance unless you know 100%. Once more evidence is made clear, we will know. For now it's not that cut and dry.
The 12 year old daughter was sexually assaulted by her own account
kadno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, could you imagine if you got into an argument with your girlfriend and then stabbed 6 times, and accused of raping a 12 year old girl? I would probably hang myself in my jail cell after all that.
I'm not trying to defend this guy in any way, but do we actually have any evidence that this really did happen? If it really did happen, good - he got what he deserved. But I'm always hesitant to join mob mentality when we really don't know the facts of the case.
kasuchans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the article say that medical investigators found evidence that the girl had been sexually assaulted?
For fuck' sake, the mom saw that dude molesting her kid. What more evidence you want? Are you trying to bring Sharia law where a girl must produce 4 witnesses who saw her getting raped to prove that she was raped??
Correction, the mom said she saw it, we don't know for a fact that she did, or even that it happened. That's the whole fucking point. I could also accuse you of a crime and get my friend as a witness, doesn't mean you actually fucking did anything, does it?
"Are you trying to bring Sharia law"
If any one is doing that it's you by only caring about self proclaimed witnesses. They ask for four and you ask for two. I on the other hand, am asking for actual fucking evidence that a crime was committed.
Lot's of people say they have been kidnapped by aliens. Should we believe them just because there's so many of them?
It's honestly infuriating that there are idiots like you who would actually put some one in jail just because 2 people accuse them of a crime. If you were in charge of the law, half the population would be in jail by now, just because some one accused them of something.
I am assuming i am talking to a person of slow mental faculties so I will say it very slowly - no one is talking about putting that alleged rapist in prison just because mom and daughter said so. I slowly repeat - No one. Police is investigating the matter, charges will be filed, forensic labs will send their report, jury will sit and decide the punishment. You clear?
The consensus here is on the fact that if this mom actually saw her boyfriend laying naked on her daughter trying to rape her, then she was absolutely justified in her impromptu action of stabbing him. She did nothing wrong if he was actually trying to rape the kid - a fact which will be proved or disproved in trial. Are you absolutely clear now?
"no one is talking about putting that alleged rapist in prison just because mom and daughter said so"
Previous comment:
"For fuck' sake, the mom saw that dude molesting her kid. What more evidence you want?"
Even before that, the guy was complaining about the mob mentality of every one judging him guilty and wanting him to suffer, and you said:
"read the article dude. The 12 year old kid testifies that he was molesting her."
None of those things would be said in the context of "If he was really raping her, then it was justified to stop it", because obviously if you see your husband raping your 12yo daughter you don't need her to "testify"(as you were saying she did) before stopping it.
So no, your previous comments had nothing to do with "If he was rapping her, it was justified to stop him". You are just changing your argument now. Either stick with it, say you changed your mind, or move on. But don't bullshit me.
Thanks for quoting me. I am also going to quote myself here
"For fuck' sake, the mom saw that dude molesting her kid. What more evidence you want?"
The whole debate on this article was if this mom was justified in attacking her daughter's molester. From her point of view if she saw it happening, then that's all the evidence she would want or need.
I don't recollect with what angle you had pitched in. But plenty of people here have tried to criminalize that woman's action in their stupid beliefs about sacrosanctness of legal codes.
I'm not too clear on the details of the law, especially since things change from state to state. But the thing is, if he is actually innocent (which is possible) then what she did would be a criminal act.
And when you say:
"For fuck' sake, the mom saw that dude molesting her kid. What more evidence you want?"
In that context it sounds like you are saying "What more evidence do you wantthat he is guilty and it was okay to stab him", but the point that the original guy you replied to made, is that we can't know for sure if he is guilty and we shouldn't resort to mob mentality, which is what a lot of people were doing.
But the thing is, if he is actually innocent (which is possible) then what she did would be a criminal act
Of course. If she stabbed an innocent man then that would be criminal. My whole defense of her action is based on assumption that what she is saying is true.
chirpWrk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like there is no way to convict her. She was protecting her child from an assault. From an assailant that is bigger and stronger than her.
Can a parent claim self defense of a child if they are defending a helpless child from a bigger stronger person? What I mean is if this lady was being raped and she stabbed this guy there would be no way to say she wasn't protecting herself. Should the same go for a parent who sees there child being raped, assaulted, etc... by an adult?
servical ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither the woman nor man has been charged in connection with the incident that happened at a West 58th Street home near Denison Avenue in the city's Stockyards neighborhood, but police are investigating it as a potential rape case, records show.
Doesn't look like she's the one in trouble, based on that. No jury in this world would convict her for saving her daughter from the clutches of a pedophile, either. (Well, at least I hope so...)
mathfacts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This so much! If I saw a naked dude on my daughter, I'd grab the sharpest knife I could find and stab the shit out of him too!
I doubt it will be necessary. Currently no charges by the police because they're trying to establish a clear series of events before making a call.
However, just from the testimonies the woman and her (I would presume no ex-) boyfriend, she claimed that he was trying to rape her daughter because she saw her on top of her naked.
His testimony, was that she was just jealous that the 12 year old was "attracted" to him. He's not even denying that he was on top of her naked. So that right there is at the very least attempted statutory rape. This would vindicate the woman's actions, because he doesn't actually deny the accusation of his attempt nor of his actions.
And this is all without the child's testimony. And that testimony is very damning. She said that he instigated the situation, saying that he told her "this is what it's like to have a boyfriend in the real world", before touching her privates and then pulling off her pants, and then took off his clothes. At which point the mother came in and started stabbing him.
That is incredibly damning evidence, so just based on the man's testimony it's attempted statutory rape, which is still a crime. Based off of the woman's and girl's testimonies it's immediately upgraded to sexual assault and/or sexual battery, on top of that attempted rape, and pedophilia.
That son of a bitch is going to get locked up for life at the very least. And this also vindicate's the mother's actions, because it was defense of someone in the process of being raped, lethal force is legally allowed to be used in that situation. So I don't think she'll have anything to worry about in proving his guilt.
Exactly this, plus a petition to help get the additional attention. I would absolutely donate to help justify putting a pedo down. I just hope this fucker lived and gets thrown in jail. If he thinks getting stabbed is bad, he's in for an infinite amount of agony.
FancySack ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:33:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to bake her a cake with a nail file in it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this lady gets thrown in jail, that's bullshit and I don't want to live in this country any more.
RobJob130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Took you long enough.
aletoledo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where were you when Bradly Manning was getting thrown in jail?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the title is black and white what happened, no Judge would prosecute this. Only if the story is a fake given by the woman who caught her bf cheating would a judge prosecute
jago81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, your comment is over an hour now. So I assume all is already forgotten. It's the reddit/internet cycle.
Bails6923 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Would even do this if she had killed him. Justifiable homicide.
Orleanian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's gonna take a whole lotta stabbin to get her out.
No one likes pedophiles except for other pedophiles. No one wants to be on the wrong side of a case like this. The man will go to jail and the woman will receive no punishment, and I hope to god that little girl grows up in a better environment and gets the help she needs.
This is a very brave thing to say and I'm glad you're here to get preemptively worked up about something that's not likely to happen. You're the hypothetical hero this world needs.
fancymoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust the DA. If the DA thinks there is a case and they can get a conviction from the jury, let them try it. I don't think the DA will try though because there's no jury in the country that would convict something like this.
RobJob130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pledge 100$.. will verify this when it comes to it.
AOSpades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a brave and noble stance to take.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna happen in America.
Ahmrael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won't unless her local courts are corrupt through and through. Her actions fall under self defense.
Darkbyte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we live in the middle east now where you just go kill someone when you don't like what they did? We have laws here, attempted murder is attempted murder.
Attempted murder isn't just attempted murder, and she didn't stab him just because "she didn't like what he did". She was defending someone.
Darkbyte ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been trying to find the state that has the death penalty for a rape conviction, but I can't find it. Since you seem to be advocating for it, surely you can point me to which one it is?
I don't believe in the death penalty. There's a difference between harming someone as punishment and harming someone as defense. She did that to defend her child.
How about you spend less time trying to be a smart ass and more time thinking?
Darkbyte ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha sure thing kid
I don't believe in the death penalty, just murdering criminals who I personally catch.
There's a difference between shooting a burglar in the act and shooting a burglar as punishment. There's a difference between beating up a person who has someone hostage and beating up a person as punishment. There is a difference between stabbing a person while they are raping someone and stabbing a person as punishment.
If you don't get the difference, good luck.
Darkbyte ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No there isn't, you are a caveman. The proper response is DEescalation.
Then tell me: what is the appropriate response as a mother against a grown man raping their child? Do they fist fight? Do they let it continue and call 911? Do they risk their own saftey by attempting to threaten them with police?
So how would you react if you saw a man raping your daughter? politely read constitution to him? or dial 911 and sit in the next chair, calmly waiting for him to finish the job?
Darkbyte ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, clearly I'd take my shirt off, pick up a rock, and start yelling "MAN ATTACK, YOU SMASHED WITH STONE" like a fucking caveman, right?
You'd been last of your genetic line if you were a caveman. Soft, sniveling blobs didn't survive those tough times, you know. And in same general context if you lack guts to take down a rapist molesting your kid before your eyes, you shouldn't father one. That poor kid would be as good as orphan even with a parent around.
Darkbyte ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:28:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like you would love living in the middle east, why don't you get out of our civilized country.
dude, its not civilized to see your child getting raped and do nothing about it. Its epitome of barbarity. Even animals don't tolerate someone harming their kids. looks like you are a slug that crawled out of a place that hasn't seen civilization.
Erzherzog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she was attempting to stop him from committing a felony against her child, it's not attempted murder.
It'd be better if you didn't make such statements without having seen the evidence.
There's a whole system to take care of this where people end up getting much more informed on what happened than you ever will be and then make a determination of guilt.
The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says.
Fuck off. Being murderered by his girlfriend wouldn't have been harsh enough. This poor child will be scarred for life.
QSlade ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a lot of keyboard warriors in this thread screaming for "justice" in the form of reciprocated rape.
I'm also seeing a lot of "he'll get a new boyfriend in prison" comments.
I'd like to shed some actual light on the prison situation. I was a deputy jailer for a little over 5 years. Shit just doesn't work that way. From what I've always seen sex offenders are placed in isolated sex offfender pods. They are not placed in gen pop. In these pods you have alphas who victimize smaller weaker inmates. We do what we can in regaurds to patrol, but when I worked I would typically have to watch over roughly 170 inmates, all in 20/30 person pods by myself.
Rape happens in these sex offender pods. Big strong rapists get a fresh supply of victims and those being victimized let that rage build.
Typically what happens is they then get out, and project that hate onto other victims
You fuck wits crying for an ongoing cycle of rape haven't had to save men from packs of monsters. You haven't had to fight that fight.
Yes, rape is bad, yes people deserved to be punished, but an on going rape train is not a "fix" it's a catalyst for future pain and suffering
What's most interesting to me about your comments is how they really drive home that crimes like rape and molestation are not really about sex or sexual attraction but about the abusive use of power against vulnerable people. They can all be sex offenders with their own personal preference of victim as far as sex, age, etc. but when it comes right down to it, if there is a desire to offend and a victim will be made regardless. So, the bigger, physically stronger male victimizes the smaller, weaker adult male though his sexual preference may run to adult females or pre pubescent boys.
In addition, it sheds light on just how ridiculous victim shaming and blaming is. As an example, we hear she shouldn't have worn that outfit, she shouldn't have walked there alone at night, she shouldn't have accepted a date with him or led him on or withdrawn consent after they'd started fooling around, etc. Yet, the same guy who is in for raping an adult female who may or may not have done one or more of those things, will still commit the crime against an adult male wearing prison garb.
DrNO811 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prison system is messed up for sure, and doesn't focus on rehabilitation, but as a parent....the penalty for this should be execution.
QSlade ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a parent I agree. I'm not saying punishment isn't needed, I'm simply saying rape isn't nor should it ever be, an actual answer
While I agree that it's not an answer, since it's not. I just find it hard to give a shit about someone raping a rapist.
stan11003 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:15:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with execution is you can't un do it if the person was innocent. They are just dead because a kid lied or was pressured by the hysteria of adults.
DrNO811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but when they are caught in the act, we shouldn't even waste court fees.
stan11003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:11 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they lied not saying these particular people did but some do.
ArminusX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So don't lock them up take them out back and put one between the eyes... cycle = broken
DeLee2600 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:30:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get off your high horse:
Edit: he's actually completely right. More research after his post led me to think; shit; that was an asshole comment I made.
Hats off to your post. Thank you for opening my eyes a little bit rather than just being negative about your response. :)
QSlade ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:46:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get some actual real life experience and prespetive on the prsion system. It's not a high horses, it's a point of view taken from living/working inside of the system.
DeLee2600 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I deleted my silly comment; because dude above me was correct. I have my own profession; but I'm glad he gave us insight to his so I could research a bit more. Hats off to him; he is correct.
People love to make not any distinction between the two terms unfortunately.. and honestly though a pedo isn't that much better, at least it's not a crime or a choice unless acted on it.
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kue101 ยท 241 points ยท Posted at 15:09:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accidentally walks in on daughter and her husband
Edit: For anyone wondering, the parent comment said something like "If I saw someone on top of my daughter I'd kill him." Then he started adding edits in response to some of the comments below.
SupaSlide ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 15:30:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sorry son, time to die..."
trog12 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:08:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you gonna do? Stab me?
mijamala1 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:37:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how it sounds, but it is still o'. We omit and replace sounds all the time in language, but it's always written the same. Sort of like how many people pronounce "Toronto" "Torono", and "comfortable" "comforable". We're just lazy. The spelling remains the same, though.
People won't understand writing direct transliterations of colloquialisms, especially in a one-sentence bubble. "a day a" makes no sense. If we were meant to read it in a folksy accent, you'd write "a day o'", or maybe "a day ah" at least to indicate that a 'a' and 'ah' were different words.
Course OP isn't exactly going to be graded on his grammar here, but yeah that sentence definitely made me do a double take as well. Writing isn't merely the process of recording the sounds we make when we talk, after all
I hope there's an implied "non consensually" in there, and you wouldn't just murder (or threaten, in this case) your daughter's boyfriend for normal, healthy sexual interaction.
If you take another look, you'll see that your comment is top-level, which means you're not responding to the person with the removed comment. That's how this works.
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Cash091 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:26:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can still do all of this but be stern with the boyfriends. Threatening to kill might be a bit excessive, but I would want to be stern and intimidating towards whoever would be dating my daughter. I only have a son though.
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iMex330 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:01:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if your daughter brought home a guy at let's say 16 and he's the same age you're going to murder him for nothing, just because your daughter wanted sex too? Well have fun in prison then buddy, that's where people like you belong anyways.
Maybe rewording your comment to be more clear of what would cause you to murder your daughters future partners. Instead of saying you'll murder any partner you catch your daughter with, which makes it sound like you just never want her to have a sexual relationship or you just want her all to yourself...please seek some help if either of those are the case.
_eL_T_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are aware that this story is about the MOTHER'S boyfriend that was molesting her 12 year old daughter, right?
iMex330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yea I do and the guy I responded to who's comment is now deleted just wanted to kill anyone he found in bed with his daughter regardless of circumstances. So obviously now my comment will be taken out of context.
f_bastiat ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 16:16:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the dude without kids.
Maybe when you have some you'll understand your daughter could be 30 but her SO needs to have fear in his heart.
iMex330 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol found the guy who makes blind assumptions about people. ^
I actually have 5 kids 3 girls and two boys. And their boyfriends/girlfriends will only fear me if they cross the line. Just having sex with them as long as it's consensual is not crossing the line, stop being overly protective it's a great way to push your kids away from you.
f_bastiat ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one who started making assumptions, I was just trying to set you off. Have a blessed day.
iMex330 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:05:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you failed just so you know. Hope you have a blessed day also.
f_bastiat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's how Reddit goes.
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f_bastiat ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:49:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys just don't get it, I don't care if they have sex when they are in there teens, I was probably about 15 when I started having sex, what I'm saying is, whoever is having sex with them needs to believe I am not ok with it.
Pffff hell naw, that behavior from my parents just made me sneak around behind their backs. Treating every suitor as a dirtbag makes it hard for your daughter to tell the difference between true dirtbags and good kids.
Please explain how, isn't it better that your daughter finds someone who is good for that doesn't have to be scared of you, to be good to her? Is it not better to be a good person and kind than to instill fear in people to have your way? If you really think that's how you need to live, then I feel sorry for your upbringing that you believe that's necessary :L
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:09:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30. If my parents "put fear in the heart" of my husband and not love, I wouldn't see them very often anymore.
I get that your kids are little now and your job is to protect them right now. But come on, you really plan to put fear in the heart of the nice guys (or gals) that they date or marry in 30 years from now? It sounds like you have a power trip.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right?! If my dad pulled anything like this towards my husband, he'd be out of my life SO fast.
Not that it was ever a question with my husband. They think he's the greatest. But like I don't even understand this mindset. He married me. He is their son now. We are family. And my i laws refer to me as one of their children too.
RorariiRS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, who brags about molesting little girls anyways?
f_bastiat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child molesters
ragenaut ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:28:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about when she turns 16 and has her classmate Steve over to "study" and you walk in on him "studying" her vagina?
You gonna kill Steve for doing the same thing to your daughter that you did to some 16 year old when you were that age?
lubbin604 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:36:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus. As a dad to a 2 year old daughter, when is it considered okay to not kill the boys anymore?
ragenaut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, if it were you son and he was doing it to someone ELSE's daughter, you'd be high fiving him mid-spooge, right?
f_bastiat ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 15:43:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no age, they all have to think you are willing to kill them all the time. I don't care if my daughter is getting banged out by her husband on her 20th wedding anniversary, if I accidentally walk in, there better be fear of death in his eyes.
I don't think saying the word "vagina" in this context is objectifying anybody lol. The original comment they were responding to was creepy, and the guy was acting like his daughters vagina and sexuality is under his protection, like some sort of overbearing skeevy bodyguard.
Lots of dads are like that with their daughters, and I find it extremely inappropriate and weird. How is that objectifying? Women have vaginas, you know. We're allowed to mention them lol
talking about sexual matters in terms of "tastefulness" makes you sound like a prude that refuses to discuss sexual matters in a frank and open way. Its a concerning, backwards attitude which leads directly to the kind of shaming and secrecy that child abusers specifically need in order to continue destroying lives.
Its a concerning, backwards attitude which leads directly to the kind of shaming and secrecy that child abusers specifically need in order to continue destroying lives.
not at all. theres a reason that moralising, prudish institutions such as the catholic church have been responsible for so much child sexual abuse.
If you want to excuse that overwhelming mountain of practical evidence in the name of "tastefulness" then I start to wonder what your agenda actually is, and whether you should be allowed near children.
If you want to excuse that overwhelming mountain of practical evidence in the name of "tastefulness" then I start to wonder what your agenda actually is, and whether you should be allowed near children.
this is an extreme slippery slope wrapped in some ad hom, and it's also slander. i'd recommend you delete this comment.
lubbin604 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:58:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Applying for my gun license right now. I'll be that dad....
f_bastiat ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:36:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoulda locked the door Steve, I made sure the girls I was banging out at 16 didn't have dad's in the picture. Also I don't want my daughter banging out a retard who doesn't know how door locks work.
Nope. I'd make sure my daughter is safe first though. Then he dies.
yayapfool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck is up-voting a guy who says you can't sex unless you're willing to die for their partner at 16?? What year is it?? Even I, a jealous immature-soul'd 24 year old who doesn't like the idea that my girlfriend has been with guys before me knows that sex is perfectly fine if everyone consents and it shouldn't be a big deal.
I think I'd do the same even if it was just a child. Doesn't even have to be my child.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:18:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if a twelve year old did "have feelings" for a grown man and expressed those feelings, hands off the minor! You are an adult, sir! I don't care if she stripped naked and begged you for sex. She is a child and you do not engage in any sort of sexual behavior with children. How do people not know this?
Also, I admire this woman's restraint. She only stabbed him 6 times.
"Passion" doesn't always refer to sexual/romantic passion.
" A crime of passion (French:crime passionnel), in popular usage, refers to a violent crime, especially homicide, in which the perpetrator commits the act against someone because of sudden strong impulse such as sudden rage rather than as a premeditated crime."
Maggie_A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but the scenario I described is the closest possible crime of passion scenario to what happened. So I took what happened and altered the facts to illustrate a hypothetical crime of passion.
While I agree it shouldn't be considered a crime, a "crime of passion" defense doesn't require jilted lovers. Mamas can be very passionate about not wanting their children raped.
Maggie_A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read my first post above the one you replied to. I'm getting tired of saying the same thing over and over on here.
Crime of passion isn't supposed to be a "good" thing. It just means a when someone murders another person on impulse of anger or something and it's not premeditated.
I believe in the US its typically considered a 3rd degree murder. There was no thought put into it ahead of time, nor any time to prevent yourself from doing so. This is different from manslaughter, where the death was caused by you, but was accidental (ex. Crashing into a car, which then slams into a pedestrian)
I assumed making love was just a euphemism for having sex, like how it's used most of the time. "Found her lover with another person" is how I read it.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relax he just mistook the phrase making love with penetrating, having sex with, fucking, etc.
Rape IS having sex with someone against their will.
aegon98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're really misunderstanding this dude. He thought that sex, making love, fucking, screwing around etc. were all synonymous. Making love is used to describe meaningless hookups too, and there obviously isn't any love there. He just extrapolated too far
But none of the things you listed are rape because that's obviously completely different. I don't think they're misunderstanding him at all.
aegon98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop with that shit. If you rape somebody, you fucked them. You had sex with them. Yeah, he got it wrong. He mistook the meaning, but t he admitted that. Don't have to attack him
Ugh, sure man, genitals touch. That doesn't mean it should go in the same category as hooking up, which as you mentioned also includes "no love". The reason it's gross when people talk about rape like it's just regular old fuckin' and not hugely different in terms of impact and the dynamics of people involved is because then people feel comfortable comparing cheating on your wife to raping her daughter like the jackass in this thread did. Which is incorrect and deserves a healthy amount of argument. I hope that dude changes his mind about categorizing rape as any version of making love.
aegon98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:38:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry words have overlapping definitions and you disagree with that, but that doesn't mean you should blow up on some random dude because he misunderstood a word.
I actually haven't replied to him at all. I just agree with the people downvoting him for his irrelevant and incorrect point and I disagree with your point that they just misunderstood what he was trying to say.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is having sex with someone against their will. Relax.
_Cattack_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed making love was just a euphemism for having sex
This is the only part you need to focus on. Whether you like it or not, rape is still sex. Granted their very different, but they're both sex none-the-less. I'm not saying the guy is right, but they made a mistake in terminology. Get off his back.
I don't really feel like I'm on his back since I haven't replied to him or anything (I just super disagree with him). But I would argue that terminology is important and conflating rape with any other kind of sex has real world consequences. Yes, rape and sex have penetration (not always, just generally) in common but really rape probably has a lot more in common with a mugging or a violent attack than sex in any other way. And I don't really see people attacking him, more so challenging his really cavalier attitude about rape. I think people are upset about his terminology because of the thinking that they feel went into those word choices.
_Cattack_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the differences between rape and sex. My point was, he read it in a different way as other people. And the fact that he's being downvoted like crazy and being told they need a psych evaluation, can be construed as being 'attacked'. For all we know English might not even be his/her first language. I don't think they're meaning to say rape is sex. I think they may have just misunderstood the initial comment.
No, I think finding your partner putting his penis inside someone else is the same as finding your partner putting his penis inside someone else.
They can both cause some passionate responses.
awry_lynx ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:56:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. Seriously? You don't see a difference between 1) your partner has sex with another person and the other person wants to have sex with them and 2) your partner holds someone else down and forces himself inside them?
Really?
shadowenx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:41 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Words are words, guys, it's all the same isn't it?????
Sofaboy90 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you guys make it sound like a clear cut case, that woman nearly killed her boyfriend ffs. the guy wasnt threatening anybodys life, sure its really ugly what he did and he was never going to get away with it once she found out. i am all for self defense but i cant feel like this couldve been handled without nearly killing even a guilty guy.
it leaves a really really bad taste in my mouth that so many people praise this woman as a hero and she did everything right, its actually really disgusting reading all of this imo.
its not the way you should handle this situation, not at all and people pretend like this behaviour is the ideal way to handle it which it absolutely is not, you nearly killed somebody who did not have intentions to kill anybody.
everybody of the 3 gets off worse this situation than it could have been handled. the daugher did not only got sexually harassed but also witnessed a nearly a killing, dude almost died, he was going to jail anyway the moment he got caught and the woman might just end up in jail as well.
yes its the heat of the moment, yes humans react much differently in these heated situations but it does not make you immune to the law, self defense or defense of another being is very complex and depends on context, this is not a clear context, he wasnt trying to kill anybody, she wasnt protecting a human who was in danger of dying, the assaulter never had lethal intentions in his act, yet she did, so this is very very far away from a clear cut case where she gets away with this
Just tap him on the shoulder and politely tell him it's not appropriate to rape her twelve year old daughter. No worries, he'll be sane and listen and line up for jail. There's no concern that he'll continue his assault, or attack her for witnessing it, or coach the daughter to never tell anyone about it.
Of course, waiting 20 minutes for the police arrive and letting the rape continue meanwhile is the best course of action. /s
They fought, and he grabbed her by the neck, and then after she finally forced him outside he kicked down the door to come in again.
The fun thing about rape, in addition, is that convictions are often really hard to prove. It gets easier to prosecute with younger victims because you just need to prove that sex happened rather than that force or coercion was used, but it's still not necessarily clear cut.
If there's a better way to handle the situation in your opinion, I'm curious what it is.
Sofaboy90 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:23:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's a better way to handle the situation in your opinion, I'm curious what it is
what exactly couldve been worse this situation? imo the only possible solution worse would be that he wouldve died from the attacks.
they were in a relationship, they know each other. and if shes willing to stab him multiple times, it does not seem like hes the dominant guy who can tell her to do whatever he wants. im sure she couldve given him something like a big slap in the face, loud screams to get him out of hits "im about to sexually harass my daughter" zone.
to be honest, im not extremely shocked about what the woman did, im extremely shocked about how this post is in general agreement that shes a hero and he would even deserve to die.
like i can feel that woman, i can sympathize with her but it doesnt mean im fully comfortable with the situation, im especially not comfortable calling her a hero, if anything she reacted like the average human would react in that situation, that doesnt make her a hero, shes just been in a situation very rare to your average human, thats why what she did might seem like heroism. any proper parent would do everything to protect their children.
im just dont like the thought that somebody nearly died when anything violent couldve been avoided. it would be a different situation if he was attacking her first with intention to physically hurt and maybe kill her and she would defend herself but thats not what happened, she was the one starting it and i think the court room will see it the same way
How about she finds out her twelve year old daughter is 20 weeks pregnant because her boyfriend molested her, or worse, because she found out that he was doing it and let him continue to avoid conflict. They spend months trying to pull it together and recover, eventually realize that her belly is growing, and because this is Cleveland Ohio, there's no exception that lets her abort in the case of rape or incest. So a thirteen year old has to have a kid. But of course, women need to accept the consequences if they want to go around town sexing it up. Can't just let people get off scott free being sluts /s
That sounds pretty horrid to me.
... She was the one "starting it". When he's the one who's raping her daughter. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I think you're falling victim to the fallacy that because she used violence in this instance she would stand up in every instance, and that standing up always works. I find it really bizarre you think the guy who decided to rape a kid before she had the chance to find a boyfriend like a creepy asshole is some kind of mild mannered, misunderstood soul.
What would the heroic thing been to have done? And why should the courts convict her for doing what any proper parent would have done, as you say?
cmd8801 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:09:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the very least he deserved
Gonzo262 ยท 232 points ยท Posted at 13:50:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly qualifying as pest removal.
Amilo159 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 14:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah otherwise we are saying what? The only other option would be for her to sit their and watch her daughter be raped or run for help while that's going on. Hopefully she walks
Taddare ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:34:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A crime of passion implies that you are engaged in something that is inherently wrong while overcome by emotion, such as killing the guy you see sleeping with your wife. Since the mother was defending her daughter she would not have been engaged in wrongdoing, thus it wouldn't have been a crime of passion.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some states this would be illegal and you would need to call the police and wait for them to arrive. I believe new jersey is an example but I could be wrong
Let me check the list of reasons to stab someone. Yep right here on page 4. Nothing to see here. Move along.
imtriing ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Page four?! Page fucking one!
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's a small pamphlet, so they've got every page-surface numbered as a page.
The cover, that's page 1.
The table of contents. That's like half a page for a small pamphlet. Ooh - the other half could be the author's comments. Maybe some inspirational quote related to justice and knives. So that's like 2 pages now...
Got it! The copyright information! That's a page by itself!
So the actual content starts on page 4.
Item #2: Getting that fucker off that kid.
ArminusX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing someone rape your daughter is a pretty good reason
Stewbaka ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:21:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 6 times? Fuck that. I would blood-eagle the motherfucker.
They'll still need to make sure that everything happened as she says it did, but yeah I hope that it wont be too bothersome for her, she did the right thing. (If it's all true.)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:56:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not boken, just damaged. What's been damaged can be repaired by the right people. The crack left behind only makes you unique, something that anyone worth a damn will see the value in.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:35:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he wasn't stabbed enough.
coops678 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:11:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman I know (mid 30s) was raped by her older brother at a party. A week or two later she told a friend who persuaded her to report it to the police. Meanwhile, the friend got so angry that he beat the crap out of her brother. The brother was arrested, charged with rape and taken to court. He reported the beating. The girl's friend was arrested, charged with GBD and taken to court. The brother got off scott free with a not proven verdict. The friend received a guilty verdict and a suspended sentence. The kicker: prior to the trial the woman's family tried to persuade her to drop charges. Since then they've pretended like it didn't happen. Now they try to organise family gatherings to include the brother and sister and get annoyed when the woman says she doesn't want to be in the same room as her brother. The phrase 'you two have to make up at some point' is one of the many insensitive ones that have been used.
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, tell that to her mother who changes the topic any time my friend mentions what happened to her (whether out of anger, sadness, or making a point). Her mother just pretends like it didn't happen. Proper lala land stuff.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religious family?
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually no, not that I can think of. There not church goers (if that counts as not religious). I'm curious, what mental link made you suggest that?
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's true..
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, because what is true?
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sexual deviants are usually religious.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go ahead and cite that.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask some priests
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or learn about psychology
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:18 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And religious people also tend to deny reality, or be too lenient with bad people, a la, telling her to forgive her brother. They may not be church goers, but it would just make sense the mom at least is a religious person. Or she's just a fucked up moron, that was probably raped herself a few times
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know there are many people like this. Usually it involves a mother ignoring her daughter being raped or molested by her husband/boyfriend but I will never understand this. It will never make sense in my head. I understand that people don't want to believe a loved one has done something terrible. I get that. The victim is a loved one also. I can't fathom the mental gymnastics these people do.
In my rational mind I can only think of 2 possibilities. The mother believes her daughter was raped but doesn't care because her son was the perpetrator or the mother doesn't believe the rape occurred and thinks her daughter tried to have her brother imprisoned for years with a false rape accusation. I can understand one or the other but in either case the mother would be disowning one or the other of her children. I don't know how she can attempt a relationship with both. Either she's knowingly carrying on a relationship with a man who raped her daughter or she's carrying on a relationship with a woman who made a false rape accusation against her son, attempting to have him imprisoned for years. There's no in-between, no fence sitting. One or the other definitely occurred.
My rational mind just can't comprehend either behavior. I have two daughters, ages 14 and 20. If either are ever raped the perpetrator better hope the police find him before I do so they can protect him. If it were a family member that did this to my daughter it would be much worse on them. The betrayal of my daughter's trust, my trust, the trust of the rest of my family would result in some medieval shit. You can love someone and still realize they are sick individuals the world would be better off without.
I've never met this woman and she already has me pissed at just the thought of this.
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With my outside opinion I think that it's one of those classic denial things. She showed her family and friends her bruises at the time (arms, chest) so I think they all knew that it had happened but that the family protected themselves from the truth. Kind of like: "it was a party, he was drunk, she was passed out drunk (in a spare room at a friend's house party), he must have mistaken her for another woman, no-one tries to sleep with their sister, that's not possible" and so the denial goes on.
My mother was fierce. I'd love to have her back again. She would have fought for me and that's something I miss and something I wish others could have too. In my mind it's like a mother is there to be your one true defender (when you're not being a complete shithead that is). It has me truly baffled when I don't see that happen elsewhere.
zeekar ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ladies and gentlemen, the case for jury nullification.
Stabbing someone with a really long knife while they're lying on top of your daughter might not be a good idea.
bardoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you would prefer the woman to suffer because she killed someone? There's not many people that can kill people and not feel bad afterwise. And it's even more true when the one you kill is someone you know.
tarlton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the perfect world, you protect the victim, capture the attacker without the use of significant violence, and the attacker is arrested and tried for their crimes. You, the victim and society win.
In the worst world, you do nothing, the victim is victimized, the attacker goes on to victimize others, AND you live for the rest of your life with knowing you did nothing.
In the middle are...a whole lot of different ways things can go. Rendering someone incapable of doing harm WITHOUT risking killing or permanently injuring them is actually very hard unless you're a good bit larger or more skilled. And in a case where you've caught the attacker by surprise, getting and keeping that momentum may be your only chance of success. Stop short of what was required, and you may have just become the second victim.
In a scenario like this one, my personal feeling is that the death of the attacker is not desirable, but is acceptable. I should use the approach that most certainly and effectively defends the victim as the first priority, and then secondarily try to keep the attacker alive afterwards. I've never been there, so I don't know if that's what I would ACTUALLY do, and I don't know how I'd feel about it afterwards. But that's what I've concluded I /ought/ to do.
bardoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal feeling
The death of this man could traumatize the daughter and the woman. Therefore, if the knife was better, the mental impact on these two would be superior. I don't care about the attacker dying btw. I am just a consequencialist, and, if the knife was bigger, the consequences would have been worse for both the attacker and the women. But, sure, a bigger knife would be less risky, if that's what you are trying to say.
tarlton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never known someone who went through an experience quite like this (violently ending an assault). They're both going to be traumatized as it is, and I hope they'll both get counseling.
(Actually, on a practical level, I suspect a bigger knife would have been MORE risky. I was really off on a tangent about whether you use a potentially lethal means of defense, in a situation where that's the most reliable but knowing you're incurring possible trauma, or use a defense that has less consequence if you win but more risk of losing)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should give that woman a medal and someone other should cut this pedophiles balls off, tattoo pedo in his face and then throw him into the worst prison.
Normally I am not a aggressive person but this makes me more than sick and angry.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:18:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That a punishment cannot be to hard or to cruel? I agree with that.
But this ia very nice and not tio hard punishment for molesting or raping an innocent child.
Do you know what life raped children have afterwards? Some need surgery afterwards, it's really cruel and sad.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but I think maybe when people weaponize sex, they should lose their weapon. Unusual would be a red hot poker up his ass, cutting his dick off because he can't use it properly is at least related to his crime.
Definitely cruel though, so there is that. Idk, I'm torn on this one.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Face tattoos are a great idea for pedos, I always just thought death penalty for a second offense would be good. But the death penalty is just so, controversial. But a face tattoo tells everyone exactly what madness the person wearing it is capable of.
I think death penalty is only good when the person is completely guilty. Like any terrorist attack or mass shooter where there isn't any denying. The only thing I hate about the death penalty is when we know someone did something like the Aurora theatre shooter, they still get to attest to every appeal they can. And if they do get an appeal they spend the rest of their life in prison and our taxes pay to keep them alive.
Its why I really don't like the insanity plea. Yeah they're insane, of course they are. No sane person shoots up a place or bombs a building. Why even keep them alive if they will never contribute to society? But then you have the flip side like you said of the death penalty being controversial where you have a guy waiting on death row for 30-40+ years or he is already killed and then DNA comes out and says "Whoops you were innocent the whole time." and that's the part that sucks the most.
Yup, that darn evidence showing up after the sentance is carried out is a real bummer every time. It's the strongest point to debate against the use of it. But a face tattoo that says pedo sounds about right. I mean, if everyone is certain this guy deserves a label after maybe the second charge sticks.
disILiked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if evidence comes back they didnt do it, tatoo removel..
I'm sure people will be as understanding of that as they are of innocent verdicts in cases like this. The damage is already done. Your life is already ruined over something you didn't do.
As someone who still lives in a shady neighborhood in Brazil, these pieces of shit usually come from middle/lower-middle class families and have hard working parents. They don't steal because they need it, they steal because they can.
Give her a medal for exposing her family to a pedophile? What a champion of motherhood this woman is!
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 15:09:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A medal for bringing a predator into her home? Mama chose this monster and brought him into her childrenโs life. The only reason she looks good is because we are comparing her actions to that of a child molester.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:18:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know she knew he was a Pedo?
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:28:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She chose to bring this person around her children, whether she outright knew he was a child molestor or not is irrelevant. Anybody that brings a predator into their home, around their children, shares in the culpability. Parents are responsible for who comes into their homes, period.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:30:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the hell was she supposed know he was a predator?
I'd like to buy that little girl a stuffed animal, the mom a double shot of strong liquor and to inform everyone on that guys future cell block of exactly why he's in there.
It's a wonder why the headline doesn't read "Cleveland Woman Stops Attempted Rape of Her Daughter"...
GbHaseo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This dude is a piece of work.. "She stabbed me bc her 12 yr old had feelings for me". No, she stabbed you bc you were naked on top of a 12 yr old telling her "this is what's like in the real world to have a boyfriend.
A kid having a crush on an adult is a normal thing, teachers deal with it a lot. You explain to them what's wrong about the situation, not rape them.
Ochmithia ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:31:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once worked with and befriended a girl who found out her father had been raping her sister (and quite possibly her. She might have not wanted to tell me that, understandably) since she was 5 years old. When they told the mother she was angry at first, but decided to stay with the man and "work on things as a family". The girl I knew seemed to understand this and even defended it when I was horrified by the idea. I left the topic alone after that, but when I remember what she told me, I have such deep feelings of hurt for her sister and even for her. She was 18 at the time, but I feel like she was brainwashed and manipulated. Such trauma :(
lordfoull ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:08:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really a shame she didn't have a better knife.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll wish that she had a better knife as a pedo sex offender in prison.
No. Abusing children or people clearly unable to defend themselves is heinous. I have no remorse for those who commit such terrible acts.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then surely we can just execute him instead of paying millions throughout his life so he can live a life of torture.
bayleafy1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it actually costs more to execute someone than for them to serve a life sentence on death row apparently. The cheaper option for us tax payers is for the inmates to go at him.
Does he deserve such a nice clean end to potentially ruining someone's life? Just a quick "hes dead" doesn't really feel like Justice to me, but I'm a more sinister person.
Don't remember the numbers exactly but 5 years in death row is usually more expensive than life in max but that depends on state. CA hasn't executed someone in like 30 years (not relevant to much but I like to rant)
Edit: saw this is Cleveland not LA. ok I get it I'm an arrogant Cali boy who can't ever look past his neighborhood :P
superkp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thank you.
Wishing sexual assault upon someone is wrong. I don't care what the reason for wishing it is.
The man also choked the mom, threw her against a wall, and broke down the front door. (Also, though unexplained, the mother and daughter both suffered from "lacerations on their hands.") I suspect that's more than enough to justify her use of a pocket knife.
XXTwnz ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is evidence she didn't use enough force and take him out so he couldn't hurt either of them.
superkp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:37:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a pocketknife or even a kitchen knife doesn't have a hand guard that stops the hand from slipping. stabbing into flesh is much harder than one would expect so the hand tends to slip towards the knife. also lacerations to the hands and lower arms usually appear due to defending yourself from a knife attack. so the boyfriend might have gotten the knife in his hands at some point.
tidho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably all of that happened after the assault on the daughter stopped. That could mean trouble for the mom too. Breaking down the door seems to seal the case against him though, just acknowledging we haven't heard his side of the story.
mspk7305 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:46:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was trying to rape a child and you want to see if he can justify that?
tidho ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:52:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, no.
He's an open and shut case. Attempted rape of a minor and battery. Hopefully he goes to jail a long time, and his fellow inmates treat him exactly like they have a reputation for treating child rapists.
Her case is contingent on the amount of sympathy for him that his story creates. She'll get away with what she did to end the assault on her daughter, how thing happened after that threat was ended could lead to charges against her though.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tidho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. She was also a threat to him well after the assault on her daughter.
That's why the details are important.
mspk7305 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:09:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is justified in being a threat. He is not.
tidho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree with you, but its still subjective. That's why we have trials.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:19:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tidho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think so either.
I did read it, article didn't include his side. I think the kicking down the door part would be the last straw for him though. Tough to muster any sympathy for him after that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm nitpicking here, and fully agree with your sentiment, but I have to disagree. I feel certain that throughout history, there most definitely was a jury that would convict this woman regardless of her motive.
gregie156 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what the law is, but if what makes the stabbing legal is "to stop a potential rape", then it's probable that some strong words would have been enough. The details are very sketchy, though.
Axel_H ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:57:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I mall for due process but I mean like guy got he deserved I can't blame he for what she did, protecting her daughter
If it helps, due process is a burden we impose on the state so to reduce mistakes. We as citizens aren't under the same burden.
So you don't have to worry this woman didn't follow due process in stabbing this guy. If she was a judge at his rape trial the summary stabbing would be bad, but she was acting as a private person in self-defense of a third party.
gregie156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Due process is every person's right to be processed fairly through the judicial system. Joe citizen can't be counted upon to be fair and proportional. Citizens dealing out their own punishment is a violation of due process.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gregie156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was replying to the guy who said due process only applies to the government.
Whenever the use of force by a US citizen is justified, its up to and including taking anothers life.
Are you sure about this? I'm no lawyer, so I don't know. Like, if someone gropes me in public, I guess I'd be justified slapping them, but not justified to shooting them. Again, not a lawyer, could be wrong.
lostr0nin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:56:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stand boyfriend..."
Me: oh Jesus another psycho
"after finding him naked"
Ooh, the plot thickens
"on top of 12 year-old daughter "
Ah, well okay then. Good job, mom.
Thanks to you and the 5 other users in this thread for explaining to us how you read it. I mean we were all wondering what was going through your mind.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The investigator should find that he repeatedly fell on a knife.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:44:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, crimes against children and animals make me a little nostalgic for a time when your village would have just pushed you off a cliff for being incompatible with humanity.
6chan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:14:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My internal monologue while reading this:
"OMG, what is wrong with this woman, oh she did good, more power to her"
No court is going to put her in jail is what i am guessing.
morgan423 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if she were charged and convicted, I could totally see the judge saying, "I sentence you to five minutes. Time has been served, have a good day."
6chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The nerve of this asshole; he molested the 12 year old and then attacked the mother too.
cmilliorn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
He's guilty as fuck, it is very common for people who have abused a child to talk about it in this manner. Deflect the rape and stabbing into she may have done it because her child likes me.... wtf
D00bage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This headline is like a roller coaster ride. First you think the woman is a criminal but after you realize she is a fucking hero.
nebula82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:11:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely good reason to stab repeatedly.
adanipse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:38:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He got away easy in my book.
Owl02 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:38:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'd better get used to it, probably gonna get stabbed a whole lot more in prison.
_deedas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to say she should walk free then I saw the first comment saying she wasn't charged. Man, I'm so happy. If that shit ever happens to a kid, the parents should be allowed to kill the person.
gdaily ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:28:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't realize that even prison inmates HATE child offenders.
This guys nightmares are going to turn into reality the moment he steps into a prison shower.
I don't mean sexually, he will be beaten to death.
actually, i've read from inmates that say differently. while , contrary to popularly believe, many people know this rumour, it is not always true. most inmates aren't really that violent and just want to finish their sentence. you'd have to get the pedo into the apropriate prison with violent offenders that do not shy back from causing more violence while in prison.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, Mom. I'm so sick of hearing stories of mothers not giving a shit or not believing their daughters when they say they're being abused and raped by the mom's boyfriend.
truthdust ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's lucky it was only a pocket knife. If I found my boyfriend like that with my daughter he wouldn't be so lucky.
"This is what the real world feels like" the man said as he was about to rape the girl.
The mother better not serve a minute of jail time. She did what any mother would do.
Bman409 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is what the real world feels like" the man said as he was about to rape the girl
Metaphorically, he has a point.
.......But I digress.. they should still kill him
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope this woman doesn't face jail time for protecting her daughter. I mean, what else would you do in that situation? Politely tell him to get off her? Fuck no, her maternal instincts kicked in, and I'm so glad.
But watch, she'll be locked up while he's walking free.
zennyc001 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:37:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is never walking free charged with sexual assault of a minor - he is going down hard, good fucking riddance. I'd expect the woman to get a reduced assault sentence due to "defence".
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
Yep. That's gotta be why she stabbed him. 12 year old girls are always trying to take their mother's boy friends. Have fun in prison. I hear they don't take kindly to child rapists.
Yes. No matter the girl's feels, romantic or not, I think the rule regarding having intercourse with a 12 year old is don't do it ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever. Ever. Never ever. Something like that.
Vigilias ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems reasonable, no?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that's totally fine... I hope she doesn't get time for that... she's just a mama protecting her baby and she should be celebrated instead of punished.
o0cynix0o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maxpnrq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would it be immoral for medical personnel to refuse treatment of people like this?
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they caught the guy doing it, I would say yes.
Anyone can be accused of anything. It doesn't make the accusation true.
The cops have now arrested they guy, so they must got the results of the rape kit back positive. But if the mom had lied and they refused treatment? They would be just as big a bunch of scumbags as he is.
That literally happened once, and that was because it was a domestic incident not child rape, the father I was talking about had the same issue as this person and stomped the guys ass.
Also that woman did not face any jail time once the trial was over.
DJ_Jungle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally agree with vigilante actions, but I have absolutely no problem with this mother's response. If that was my daughter that mother fucker would probably be dead.
I know you're not trying to be problematic but we cannot blame this on the mother. Child molesters are/can be super charming and seem completely normal until they get caught molesting. Same with psychopaths and abusive humans in general. No part of this is the mother's fault.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:21:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not sure what the state has to do with it. Tragically, child abuse, rape and molestation occur around the world, in every state, and any parent in their right mind would have done what this woman did.
KellerMB ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:44:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Ohio is what the state has to do with it, sadly.
Glad we agree the mother responded appropriately.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Seattle and I know people who have been abused.
I really think it's an important point: this can happen to anyone, anywhere. Class has nothing to do with it, nor does geography.
What state do you live in? You think nothing like this has ever happened there?
What a dumb statement.
Aq425 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 13:53:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking horrible. She did the right thing protecting her child from a predator.
But ya gotta wonder. Guys don't jump 12-year-olds out of the blue. Guys who like little kids are generally repeat offenders. I wonder if he raised any red flags during their relationship.
The best predators can seem so normal on the surface. Many serial killers find victims through acting. Part of being a sociopath is acting normal so that you can go about your business with less scrutiny. They have very good skills at observing humans objectively, and they calculate what facial expressions, gestures, or phrasing to use to get them where they want to be.
Essentially what i'm saying is the that If you want to be a good liar, just convince everyone that you're terrible at lying.
Carry a bucket of mud, paint or any opaque liquid of your choosing at all times. Simply launch the contents at them whenever you feel suspicious. Works for me.
siskos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly depends on how long the relationship was going on. It really could have been his first time doing that to her or he could have spent time talking/convincing her into trying it. Without much information to go on, its all speculation. All i know is that anyone who blames the child in any manner is very wrong since the man is an adult and knows actions like that with a child is seriously wrong and fucked up.
Lots of these guys are great at hiding, and there always has to be a first time when they get caught.
jadwy916 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing with these guys. It's not the first time he's done it, it's the first time he got. Or, at least it's the first time he got caught and stabbed repeatedly.
Fuck, this comment reminded me of the last scene of Precious. What a powerful performance by the mother. I forget the actress' name, but damn she did a good job in that scene. "Who's gonna love ME?!"
Monique. I was surprised as hell when I her saw her in that movie. Before that she was mostly known for doing stereotypical sassy fat black lady characters (Boondocks comics used to make fun of her show, the Parkers). She really showed her acting chops in Precious.
Yeah I've never seen her anywhere else, I actually haven't even seen Precious - just that scene. That's why I didn't know her name, but she does such a good job it's scary.
The sad thing is that as a society we pretty much train women to give men the benefit of the doubt. It's usually 'just give him a chance' until after, when it becomes 'how could you not have seen how dangerous he was?'
There probably were signs, but she convinced herself she was paranoid and seeing things that weren't there. And let's face it: a lot of the grooming sexual predators do is hard to distinguish from people just being friendly with children.
I'm sure the mother is already cursing herself for not having really seen what was going on, too.
zeekar ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:13:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he were into really little kids, like 9-year-olds, it would probably have set off more warning bells. But we start sexualizing girls pretty young in our society, so the closer his "target zone" gets to puberty, the easier it would have been for him to hide his prurient interest, or for others to miss the signs.
Since I'm getting downvoted by folks missing the point, let me state categorically I'M NOT DEFENDING HIM. What this guy did was RAPE. Period. I'm just saying that the girl's age falls in a window where he might have been able to get away with actions and remarks that would have set off more serious warning bells in the mother's head if he had acted the same way when the girl was several years younger (or older, for that matter..).
69SRDP69 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lines aren't blurry. He sexually assaulted a child
zeekar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he sexually assaulted a child. That's not the line I'm talking about.
I just mean that because of the rampant sexualization of young girls in our society, men can get away with remarks and looks that really ought to set warning bells ringing and bright neon "CREEPY!" signs flashing in people's heads. Too often, they are dismissed as harmless when they're really not.
_Cattack_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um.. I don't know who you surround yourself with, but if a dude says anything sexual about a girl under the age of 16-17, he's going to get flak for it from anyone around where I live.
zeekar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on how overtly sexual it is. In my experience there's too much that is not taken seriously- it's just a dudebro being a dudebro. His friends might give him flak, but they don't necessarily start wondering if they should ask him about seeking counseling..
_Cattack_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, maybe if it's a bunch of teenagers, or a college fraternity. Any well adjusted adult is not going to say something sexual about a child without being questioned. And if no one speaks up about that, then that says a lot more about that person than the person sexualizing an underage girl.
I don't know where you grew up, but as a girl, I remember starting to get looks from older men right when my boobs started to come in, in middle school. I started waiting tables at 15, at a country club with a lot of men in their 60s and up. One guy stands out for always making lewd jokes, but a lot of the men paid attention to me. I didn't mind at the time because it meant getting more money, but looking back, it was overtly sexual, which is creepy as hell.
A girl turning 18 and being legal to fuck is a fetish in itself. Most men wouldn't act on it, being super illegal and fucked up and all, but plenty of people are just counting down the days until that 18th birthday, and are watching and semi-flirting the whole time.
Maybe you haven't experienced it yourself, but girls start being treated as sexually desirable as soon as their bodies start developing. It might not go beyond words or even just looks for some people, but it's there.
_Cattack_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a female, and I know this. But theres a difference between just looking(which is natural)/flirting, and making extremely lewd comments to a 12 year old(or under)
Tschoz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:38:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could be an ephebophile
I am so sick of hearing this ephebophile crap. She's 12, he's a child molester (if the story is true). End of story.
zeekar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he is. He deserves every one of those stab wounds. All I'm saying that it was probably easier for him to hide an attraction to 12-year-olds than it would have been if he were attracted to, say, 9-year-olds.
Somehow, though, I always feel a lot more depressed when I hear about toddlers and infants raped, though, than when I hear about underage teens having sex.
To me, it's like the difference between a drunk driver killing some guy, and some one cold-bloodedly murdering their young children for insurance. Both are bad, but one is just... monstrously inhuman.
Most guys like this may not get the opportunity presented and may only be a latent thing... as in, doesn't realize to seek it out
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Aq425 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cause where the fuck did she learn that shit from?
Kardashians, Rihanna, Niki Minaj, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Jennifer Lopez, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, etc, etc, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touche. Her mom was another one I'm sure...the Halloween when she was 13 she bought her a sexy mobster outfit to wear as a costume. Made me pretty uncomfortable.
johnnyg42 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really sad that these are role models to a majority of young girls. And adults too unfortunately. I've heard grown women say that Kim Kardashian and Amber Rose are their role models.
It's really sad that it's the kind of behavior men expect from women.
kasuchans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I wouldn't call Kim K a role model, but I very much do respect her business acumen.
Longhornt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You respect that she made a sex tape and got famous from it?
kasuchans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I respect that she took a single incident that could have turned her into a tawdry story for a few months and built an empire out of it. That takes some serious marketing and self-branding ability.
Longhornt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought of it that way. Kim is a low key genius I guess
Aq425 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard grown women say that Kim Kardashian and Amber Rose are their role models.
Amazing that. IMHO those two women are such useless, repulsive, and vapid women. After all both banged Kanye. 'nuff said.
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him," I'm sorry she didn't kill him.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:17:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO Murder should be completely legal when it comes to protecting your child from assault, sexual assault, rape etc.
Voidsabre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At that point it's no longer murder
dolphins3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:19:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend
Holy shit that's horrible!
...after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, reports say
Oh. Carry on then.
ilypay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:56:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yea. Stab that piece of shit
tylerawn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:40:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did the article say that she attacked him in a fit of rage multiple times as if she lost control of herself and assaulted the guy? It's pretty obvious she was defending a third party from sexual assault, which in most places, justifies the use of deadly force.
Saito1337 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patrickrk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You touch children, you die. Just my personal belief though.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Temporary insanity. If this happened to me they would literally had a lump of fucking flesh to clean up. Buck shot until he isn't noticeable. Don't fuck with kids.
Edit: oh good he didn't die. Inmates will fuck him up until he's found dead in the showers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like there was no victim in the stabbing... aka he got what he deserved.
True story: My creepy uncle and his gross wife had FOSTER KIDS. Uncle creepster was a corrections officer . The girls in his care said he molested them. I believe them. He went to prison. (Yay.) B/c of charges and corrections background was in PC for long time. Then eventually somehow went to gen pop. Dummy felt like he could be honest w cellmate as to real reason he was imprisoned. 4 weeks in infirmary recovering from that beat down. Back in PC. I did not shed a single tear for his disgusting ass. Hope he rots to death, there.
gothou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom said I was making mountains out of molehills and that I was trying to ruin her marriage.
I wonder what would happen if corporal punishment for convicted paedophiles was put to a public vote...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KellerMB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Article also notes that the guy kicked in the front door after being chased out of the house the first time. Hopefully there were neighbors that witnessed at least some of this and can corroborate.
I agree. Iโm concerned with what seems to be ALL the comments on here, immediately believing the stabbers story because they read โfound naked on 12 year-old daughterโ as fact.
Ugh, I hope they see her stabbing as an act of defense for her daughter rather than assault. You never know what direction things are going to go in court.
She pushed him out the door and he kicked it down to get back in. He needs to be locked up for the rest of his life, which will probably be short, because the other prisoners will kill him. Child molesters are very unpopular in prison.
If this woman GETS A SENTENCE for SAVING HER DAUGHTER FROM A PEDOPHILE, we riot.
corfish77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is what its like in the real world when you have a boyfriend" he says. Holy shit what a piece of filth. Hopefully the little girl doesn't grow up thinking this is normal or true.
We should grease a big spike and give him the Vlad treatment
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. She deserves a medal not an arrest charge.
kmecha9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
What a monster. She might be traumatized for life.
I_am_Nic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think of me what you want - in my opinion she did the right thing.
He tried to pass it off as "she was jealous and thought her daughter was in love with me"
So his logical response was to try to sleep with the kid? I don't know which part of this story makes him more stupid. His piss poor excuse or even attempting an excuse when he was caught naked on a kid.
Good for her. I'd do that to protect my daughter any day of the week. Fuck that sicko.
f102 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't misconstrue what I'm about to say, but the child is fortunate in the sense that the mother isn't like some of the less than worthless parents I've had while I taught elementary school where she actually STOPPED the act.
Too many shitheel parents don't want to be alone, so they somehow find ways to rationalize what is going on while the child endures the horror(s) of sexual/physical/mental (etc) abuse.
That being said, that is the only sense in which the child is fortunate.
Yep.. fuck that dude. The interview with the little girl makes my heart break.
RzK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a violent person at all, but if I had a kid and some pedo was doing shit that will scar my kid for the rest of his/her life... i'd gladly beat his face in with a brick like an enraged baboon. That kind of experience as a child stays with people forever and most of those victims don't live normal happy lives I think.
I remember reading a story here of a dad brutally beating some pedo to death and he basically got away with it. Glad some judges out there understand uncontrollable father rage, how do you not react violently? "ah, you raped my son... that really peeves me... brb gonna call 911 dude".
My first thought is, she stopped stabbing too soon. My second thought is, maybe watching someone get stabbed to death would be unhealthy for a 12-year-old.
EpikSwag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him 5 times with a pocket knife? Unacceptable. Even if she didn't have a larger knife to use, she could've at least stuck him another half-dozen times.
Her defense team will want you on the jury. ... and me as far as that goes. I reckon the real challenge for the prosecution is finding enough people to impanel who won't want to give her a medal.
Imakedo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like a case that needs to go to trial by jury. I just hope she doesn't accept any sort of plea bargains.
She should have shot the bastard. Not while he was on top of the child, of course. I'm sure when he became aware of her presence he would have gotten off pretty quickly. Every woman should own a gun in America and be proficient in it's use, especially women with children.
The guy is beyond vile and likely going to spend many, many years in prison. He's still lucky. He triggered a mother's protective instinct. People have died fpr doing that many times across history.
Disgusting piece of shit.
Crezek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She did the right thing, god bless her
Mail540 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. At first I thought "Damn this woman sounds crazy". Then I read more and thought "Damn this guy is crazy. Glad somebody was there to stab the shit outta him." Amazing how quickly things change.
Reading the full story is so much worse. I hope this waste of humanity (the man) goes to jail and everyone knows about what he did. The mother is a hero. I hope she and her daughter get counseling.
A Cleveland man who was stabbed six times after his girlfriend found him naked atop her 12-year-old daughter is charged with rape and gross sexual imposition.
I want to know how she was aiming. If she stabbed him 4 times in the chest was then like well fuck this I'm going for his head? Wrong head in my opinion.
g-j-a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they arrested her, but the judge at the arraignment hearing should just throw it out as justified. I mean, what was she suppose to do, just use harsh language? Calmly call the police?
o0cynix0o ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gaedikus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this happened to a friend of mine and her daughter a couple years ago. he (her fiance) was so comfortable with his actions of sexually assaulting her ~12yo daughter without anyone knowing, that he did it while they had company over and he was "putting her to bed".
he tried to run away when the mother walked in on him and lost her shit (rightly so), but he got picked up by police and arrested. then he tried to kill himself in holding a couple times, because he knows what's going to happen to him in prison.
what a gigantic piece of shit. he deserves every bad thing coming his way.
As a survivor myself. That singular comic showed me i was not alone.
Atax1s ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't speak for all of us. Especially those that have the unique and beneficial mental and emotional ability to make peace with what happened and not limp on with the crutch of our victimization.
You're doing amazing sweetie ๐๐๐
In all seriousness though fuck I can't imagine what that's like, hella respect to both mom and daughter for going through that, and mom for protecting her kid.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its hard to condemn her, given the circumstances.
YataBLS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit disappointed the guy is still alive.
uvaspina1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me like he fell on a knife repeatedly. Case closed.
fronn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming the story is as reported, this sounds like self defense to me. It's too bad she didn't hit some vital organs. This guy deserves no place in this world.
I once had my mother go completely nuclear in my defense very unexpectedly. I suppose her mom radar sensed dire teenager trouble on the rise because i'll be buggered if i can figure out how she showed up so fast. She was so furious it made me feel that yeah, i am valid in feeling as bad as i did about things that were done to me. She was awesome that day.
I would have stabbed that piece of shit until he was minced meat. If I found someone doing this to my little sister, their brains would be splattered on the floor after the beating he'd get
loudsex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was word for an adult being naked on top of a 12 year old... oh I know! Raping. She stabbed him because he was raping her daughter.
Has nothing to do with offending people, it's not used because of the narrow perceptions people have of the word 'rape' (some states still insists that only penis violently going into unwilling vagina = rape). Sexual assault covers a variety of sexual acts so that there aren't pendants quibbling about whether someone shoving popsicle sticks into a man's asshole against his will is actually 'rape'.
BrettWP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An appropriate response in my opinion.
acf6b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people...people..... let this teach everyone a lesson, if you catch someone trying to or in the acting of raping or hurting someone in such a way, AIM FOR THE NECK
Even in the hands of an expert? You realize your carotid is not all that deep right? You can cut the carotid, ulnar, brachial, radial, and even femoral arteries with one of those very tiny Swiss army knives. Nick one good and it's night night with no wake up. -individual with a fair amount of time behind and in front of a blade and plenty of scars. Not an expert, that takes more than a lifetime. We are always students.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like she did just fine. Carrying a knife doesn't mean that you have to kill someone and she did well putting an end to the situation. There's no way to know what kind of knife she had either. It might not have been some tactical 4" blade folder and have just been a little utility knife.
HybridCue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this happened in New York the woman would be in jail and the rapist free.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New York has some pretty fucked up laws and their knife laws are draconian.
Ms_Enigma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was this lady and I had to go to jail anyway, I'd be glad to. I saved my kid, and that's what matters most.
I didn't think it could get worse then it just kept getting worse. Like your dad does the worst most horrific thing imaginable and you think it can't get worse then your rapey dad is stabbed to death on top of you by your mother. Whut the fuck
dweezil12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She only stabbed him Six times? She should have stabbed the child rapist piece of shit at least Sixty times!
I'm liberal and tend to be almost extreme when it pertains to the judicial system,but I have Zero sympathy for people that harm children and the elderly. This worthless piece of shit was caught in the act. The mom should have beat him to a pull.
I can only hope that everyone he is in prison with knows he is a child rapist.
Good. I hope she killed him or at least severed his dick. Where can we donate to her legal fund
sommie789 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot believe some of you people.
Police can usually tell when people are lying especially young people.
The Mom walked into a parent's worst nightmare and she snapped.
I have cousins around the victims age and I don't want people like that around them.
I personally think that we need better laws on those sickos.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mom could also choose her boyfriends better. I don't mean that as an insult.
In all fairness, I don't believe she would be dating the man if he had disclosed that he was a rapist or a pedophile. That is important information to have when accepting to date a person that can and probably will change your decision to do so.
I hope you don't think that all rapists and/or pedophiles are drunk, dirty outlaw biker stereotypes. Doctors are pedophiles and rapists. Police officers are pedophiles and rapists. Attorneys and judges are pedophiles and rapists. You never know what sick shit is inside a person's head unless they let it be known. When they do it's usually too late.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can spot a pedo a mile away, but that could just be me. In the mom's case she was probably molested or raped at some point in her life, which would make her prone to finding other men like that. Whether she knew it or not.
Also, most of the higher class folks that touch kids, oxymoron, they have drug/alcoholic problems or tendencies, which is a big reason they actually commit the crime, compared to just thinking about it. This story is left very vague, but I could bet if more information is presented in the future, this guy would be a giant red flag.
Piece of shit deserved it. That girl will need years of therapy, and will carry the weight of this for the rest of her life. Shit like this makes you realize how evil humans can be...
drnips ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was this headline a mini rollercoaster to anyone else?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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conuly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a difference - a big one - between acting in the moment to defend yourself or somebody else and cold-bloodedly killing somebody a long time after their crime.
Additionally, we know for a fact that there are many false convictions. If you see a guy raping your adolescent daughter, you know that he's the guy. But usually, there isn't that sort of evidence.
Finally, even if convictions are deserved, penalties are not given out evenly. Some groups of people get much lighter sentences than others. Our system isn't fair.
I am that person you describe. I am against the death penalty, because I feel that some sentenced to death for their crimes could be innocent, and in some states, have no avenue to introduce new evidence unearthed by new technology (DNA, for example) to exonerate themselves. There's also a huge amount of trust one must have in the justice system to accept such a final verdict, and sadly, our justice system simply doesn't meet the standard I feel necessary for such a sentence (evidenced by people being released after years of imprisonment but found innocent with new evidence - in states that allow that).
Secondly, for me it comes down to crimes against a sort of "priority of dependence" - my term. Kids and the otherwise infirm or disabled are dependents - they need our help to live, so an adult inflicting a crime against them is the worst. Adults who are murdered during drug deals/robberies in which they are participating are Independents - they're capable of making other choices and I have less sympathy for them - if you kill an accomplice in a crime should you be sentenced to death for it? I don't know.
Women who are abused for years but eventually fight back and kill their abuser are usually not allowed to enter evidence of abuse - the jury is only allowed to hear what happened when they murdered. I personally feel that extenuating circumstances should be heard in cases that warrant it (bullying, molestation, etc.).
So the fence I'm sitting on is this: I have no problem with a parent of a victimized child going after the child's abuser, even if it results in death, but I'm not sure I trust the justice system to explore all avenues of innocence before meeting out an irreversible sentence. I also feel that for people who are so terrible for society, if, after all avenues of exoneration are exhausted - including new evidence outside of the statute of limitations (in some states it's just months after conviction) - those people should be forced to repay society. This is where I get dark, just so you know. If rehabilitation/release is not in a prisoner's future and death is the only outcome of their incarceration, kill them in a way that allows their organs to be harvested for those needing them, or use them in non-painful, late stage medicinal trials instead of chimpanzees. Pedophiles should be subject to scans to see if there is a correlation, physically/biologically, among them, so we can avoid future victimization. But this would also necessitate so many changes in the law it's not feasible - for example, I could be convicted of owning child pornography because my family thought it was cute to take portraits of my sister and I nude (this was in the '60's-'70's) - even though it's me in the photographs - and no, I was never molested or victimized in any way by my family. In 2008, a seven year old was labeled a sexual harasser for hitting a girl's bum - an indictment of his character that will stay on his record, and if he makes another, innocent but bad choice later on, he's toast.
So, I guess my opinion is still evolving, but I'm unconvinced that our justice system is capable of making no mistakes when it comes to sentencing someone to death, unless serious changes are made so that exonerations are more accessible to those who deserve them.
tanis_ivy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a life purposely, lose your life. (donating any usable organs. Waste not, want not)
Wdf1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel the medical staff that performs executions in prison should be killed, for killing the guy on death row? How about the person who kills them? Point is, some people deserve to die, and there is nothing wrong with somebody being responsible for it.
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Wdf1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's good. Do you think this mom is guilty of one? The rapist boyfriend is guilty, so by your logic, he deserves to be punished, and the mom did just that. I just think it's weird you threw shade at the mom for stabbing him.
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Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mom in the article didn't kill anybody. The rapist didn't die. My point is that even if she did kill him, she should not be found guilty of anything.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:23:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a parent, and your first instinct isn't to destroy the person molesting your kids, you're a POS. Period. Glad this woman acted.
SlarSlar ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is applauding this woman, but ignoring the fact that she let this man around her daughter in the first place. Dude had a ton of convictions in the past, you're telling me she didn't see any red flags? This is why you don't shack up with trashy dudes in the first place.
throwoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was my first thought. My mother had the same issues with her mom.
Castration means sterilizing, by either cutting off the scrotum and testicles, or chemical sterilization. It has nothing to do with the penis. As the other guy said, it represses the urge and they wouldn't "get off" by doing it.
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 14:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shadofx ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:24:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you read :
Alleged rapists and molesters deserve the death penalty
Sepof ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:33:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the 90s there was a large surge of false accusations due to poor counseling and investigating by authorities. I know there was one town where it was a modern day Salem witch trial with like over half a dozen adults being accused of molestation/etc.
In the end, the kids were just saying what they thought the adults (counselors) wanted to hear.
Nope. "Convicted" rapists are put to death quite frequently, even though they are innocent. We can't have an "If" clause on top of this, so the death penalty needs to be abolished.
Same goes for murders. We have perfectly functional cells that they can rot in, giving those that actually end up being innocent at least a chance at getting back to their life
"Convicted" rapists are put to death quite frequently.
No they aren't. (Unless they also murdered their victim.)
Rape by itself isn't a capital offense.
Aggravated murder is pretty much the only way to get the death penalty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but there's also this thought where in cases where it's without-a-doubt guilty, I'd rather not spend tax money on keeping said person alive for 50 years.
Yeh but false testimonies and the guy is now a convicted rapist up for death penalty - death penalty took place, next day in the news - I made it all up. Can't really reverse a death penalty once it has taken place.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Innocent people were executed all the time when execution was commonplace.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:25:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's what you read into it, because the literal meaning of "rapists and molesters" is "people who have raped and molested," not "people who have been accused of raping and/or molesting." And your reply doesn't say anything about lesser punishment being fit for those crimes, just the oft-repeated "false accusations" line. When more rapists and molesters escape unpunished because the victims don't report it than the opposite.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:26:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're commenting all over this thread and you finally contradicted yourself. You keep saying that you would have to wait for facts to come out before convicting the man, but then you say you'd do the same if you where in the mother's position. Quit defending pedo's, guy. Just stop
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That does not contradict himself. I'm sure you think the same way he does its just your misunderstanding him.
1: He believes nobody should be convicted without evidence. This is something most people will agree on
2: If he had someone raping his daughter, he would attack them. This is a fair enough position to take, because they're raping his daughter and there is an obligation to stop the rape. I believe you would do the same thing in that position as well.
You two don't disagree with each other it's just a misunderstanding.
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Gonzo_goo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"well technically he isn't a pedophile, just a child molester" - you. Keep protecting these types. I'm sure you can get his prison ID and write to him. What you guys will talk about, I wouldn't want to know....
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Gonzo_goo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's some gold medal mental gymnastics, kid. I'm enabling pedophiles because I want them locked away? Go ahead and talk to those sick fucks. You can say what you want, but to defend them like you are is really disgusting. You're all over this thread getting upset at people for not agreeing with you. What a strange thing to be so passionate about
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thread is about a guy fucking a woman's daughter. You keep making it about something else. Calling me a moron for not feeling sympathy for people who desire to have sex with kids is not surprising. There's plenty like you, and you're free to defend and argue on their behalf. Sex with children, that's what you advocate for. I have nothing more to say
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:30:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're dense. Child molesters, pedo's, chomo's, are all one of the same. You chose to make this the topic you are passionate about. Stop defending them.
eek04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the stats that claim that have a very substantial flaw: They assume that rapists only rape once. Most rapists are serial rapists, and that changes the conclusion.
What you read :
Alleged rapists and molesters deserve the death penalty
Someone doesn't remember the late 80s to early 90s when several daycare owners and workers were successfully convicted on nothing other than fabricated testimony which resulted from parents, investigators, and mental health 'professionals' flawed, suggestive questioning of the children involved; the so called 'satanic abuse hysteria.'
Legally guilty and not guilty are not equivalent to factually guilty and innocent. The legal system is imperfect; there are times when innocents are convicted and the guilty walk. I don't have much of a comfort level for condemning someone based upon a proven imperfect system. When the State executes an innocent person, that figuratively means that every citizen of that State is complicit and guilty of that person's murder, especially when the sentence is recommended by the representative peerage of a jury.
shadofx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you read :
Legally guilty rapists and molesters deserve the death penalty
emdave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you read:
"Only people who are beyond all doubt, objectively guilty of rape or child molestation deserve the death penalty"
What OP actually said:
(All) rapists and child molesters deserve the death penalty.
What reply to OP (essentially) pointed out:
Not everyone accused of something, or even convicted of something, actually did it, and since the death penalty is irreversible, there is a moral risk in using it, in that you could accidentally apply it to an objectively innocent person, and thus it is not safe to use it in essentially all practical circumstances. That is even before you consider the ethical and moral questions of whether it is even justifiable to kill someone else in cold blood.
Reddit is in witch hunt mode. Trial by media headlines and anyone is guilty by association and not seeing this as a black and white issue.
I'm curious as to how many death threats or wishes of the same crime happening upon your family have happened, as often does with people that take your stance. Stay safe.
badmother ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It costs the state well over $50K per year to incarcerate someone.
How much would a good therapist cost? Preferably, society would accept people who admitted they had this mental illness, but no, society is a lynch mob with no comprehension or willingness to understand the depth of the problem.
NemWan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point was that its super easy to go from "alleged" to "convicted" which means that convicted should be killed, in the world run by the guy's that I replied to. In the book, the rape allegation was fully false but Tom was still convicted of rape because of racial biases. Thats just one, albeit fictional, example of how you cant just jump straight to "KILL ALL RAPISTS!" because there are times when people do get convicted when they are actually innocent.
dj184 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, Tom was convicted of rape in the book. Im not sure if you are trolling or you legitimately misread the book.
dj184 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i certainly was thinking about a diferent movie then. I certianly wanst trolling.
i remember watching a movie where a black guy is being prosecuted as a rapist because a white girl said so or forced to say so.
Dont remember the story and must have gotten confused with "12 Angry men"
Must have got confused, sorry.
Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder. People with psychiatric disorders deserve treatment to overcome or at least mitigate their condition. Maybe if we established a culture where pedophiles felt more comfortable coming forward for treatment, we could proactively reduce the incidence of child molestation.
Or you know, we could stick to stigmatizing mental health issues and our completely reactionary response to pedophilia.
I'm not vindication this man or any child molester by portraying them as victims. I'm saying that maybe we can find a way to help pedophiles before they become child molesters and create victims.
cinnapear ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:46:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you, but it's two completely separate things to have urges and to act on them. I don't jump on every man or woman I find attractive. I don't shove every donut I see into my mouth. I don't grab a stack of twenties from the bank teller.
Also, not every child molester is even a pedophile. Some just prey on kids because they're easy targets, not because they're particularly attracted to them.
I agree. Which is why I differentiated between pedophiles and child molesters. I think we should treat the source of the problem, rather than the ensuing symptoms.
If somebody is shoving donuts in their mouth perhaps it is because he or she is starving. Should we judge him or her for rudeness when they are suffering from something we could prevent?
If somebody is stealing money, perhaps it is because they are poor and desperate. Perhaps their situation is not entirely their fault and society has failed this person for allowing them to reach such a point.
In both of these hypothetical cases, the person was surely in the wrong. But it was something we as a society could have prevented if we bothered to help and understand one another.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:06:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations, you're lucky enough to have a brain with good impulse control. Would you like a medal?
Okay, so i understand the point you're making and agree 100% that the kind of help you describe should be available and less stigmatised
However, we're not talking about punishing him for being that way, we're talking about punishing him for acting on it. Hang him for all i care.
I was not in any way advocating for heinous acts to go without consequences. I'm only pointing out that we could keep children safer by differentiating between pedophiles and child molesters, and helping pedophiles before they ever become child molesters.
Whenever an article like this is posted, it seems there's always some breakdown in that very important difference. I was hoping to prevent that.
badmother ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI, in the UK, there is a completely anonymous service called Stop it Now. if you are in the UK and feel attraction towards pre-legal people, please do visit their website or call them on 0808 1000 900. They will not judge. They will help you.
There is a difference between being a pedophile (having that psychiatric disorder, causing certain desires) and actually going through with raping/molesting a child. Just like there is a difference between being a homo/heterosexual and raping/molesting someone of whichever sex you prefer.
I agree, Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder and a complicated issue to deal with, but once you cross the line and commit violent and sexual criminal acts, you are a rapist and molester not just someone with a mental condition.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between being a pedophile (having that psychiatric disorder, causing certain desires) and actually going through with raping/molesting a child.
The difference is impulse control, and it's also a psychiatric *issue.
He didn't say pedophiles. He said rapists. Vastly different.
Plenty of people do think people should be shamed or punished purely for their attraction to young kids, which is ignorant. They should be able to reach out and get help without being scared. But once they get to the point where they act on it, fuck them, lock them up and give them life. The fact that it's a disorder is about as good an argument as saying it's ok to rape someone just because they can't get laid.
Your text is correct but you're being downvoted because it seems you are playing devil's advocate.
Your text is correct but you're being downvoted because it seems you are playing devil's advocate.
Yea I'm getting that. Based on how my subsequent responses were received, it seems most people do agree with me that pedophiles aren't necessarily child molesters and that prevention would be a better course of action. Evidently, my first post did not clearly reflect those opinions.
Hasn't it been scientifically proven that pedophilia cannot be "fixed" with treatment? They can learn how to suppress urges, but they can't eliminate the attraction tendencies, if I remember correctly.
You can also finds studies that show that capital punishment or harsher prison statements do not reduce or deter violent crime.
But if we bothered to show some compassion for people with psychiatric conditions and even tried to help them, we could prevent some children from getting hurt.
Currently our response to pedophilia is reactive. We wait for children to get hurt then punish the offenders. I'm not a mental health professional, but even I know that there must be some proactive solution to this problem (you know, besides immediately assuming that all male grade school teachers are themselves pedophiles). The easiest I can think of is not to vilify pedophiles who have never acted on their urges and instead encourage them to come forward for whatever help we can offer.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:06:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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humicroav ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:56:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mucking down here in the mud with the controversial posts. There's definitely a pitchfork mentality in our culture on this topic.
Jeppe1208 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:46:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand how psychology works. It's a constantly changing and evolving field; new treatments are developed and old ones become obsolete every day. We used to call homosexuality a mental disorder, but things change. Maybe studies have shown that so far pedophiles have not been "cured" - but no empirical study could ever rule out the possibility for the future - that's what crystal balls are for.
It may not be able to be "fixed" but helped to ensure that these individuals don't act upon it. In my mind it would be similar to AIDS, just because we can't cure it doesn't mean we can't treat it, but if AIDS patients are too afraid to come forward and admit to having their disease without being crucified they won't get treated and may die.
badmother ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think castration works. I did see a documentary about paedos once upon a time, and they were saying it is only a matter of time before they reoffend, and that castration was probably the only answer.
However, there is other help available...
slider2k ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:29:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, just like homophilia (now called homosexuality)?
I think you should've started your comment with the bottom lines, would've made you come off less as an apologist for offending pedophiles, although I definitely agree with what you say.
The one you're replying to is specifically referring to molesters and rapists, the pieces of shit that we don't want pedophiles becoming, not pedophiles.
vegandawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just eliminate them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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zangent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:39:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the entire point. Pedophile does not equal child molester.
If we create a culture where child molester is still looked down upon (because it's fucking sick), but seeking mental health is not stigmatized, then perhaps we could see more pedophiles getting help to overcome their problems, leading to fewer child molesters.
Pedophiles will always exist, and you can't hunt down every single person who may end up molesting a child. It's not realistic. Instead, we have to accept that some people have these terrible urges, and try to figure out how to help them to keep from acting on those urges.
Astaauand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't say that pedophiles deserve the death penalty .....
And I didn't say child molesters and rapists don't.
Just wanted to remind everyone that there's a big difference between child molesters and pedophiles before anybody starts lumping the two groups together. I've seen it happen before when stuff like this gets posted, so I figured I might prevent it before it started.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is an abnormality. Pedos are just a liability. There is no reason to even bother "curing" them anymore than there is a reason to bother curing psychopaths. Just euthanize them and be done with it.
[deleted] ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just subsidize a personal shrink for every man, woman, and child and we could eradicate any bad feelings or sadness in America. Because it seems everything is blamed on some bullshit mental illness or another
Well that's stupid. How about instead we just encourage pedophiles who have never acted on their urges to come forward for help instead of treating them like monsters?
Or you know we could go with the current litmus test of finding out who is a pedophile by waiting for children to get raped. Cause that's a good way to keep children safe.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When stories like this get posted, I always wonder if there was a way it could've been prevented. The cries for hanging child molesters always seems to be louder than any voices looking for a proactive solution. The overwhelming majority of people seem to agree that it's wrong, but show little interest in even considering alternatives. Which is terrible, because those who are most vulnerable cannot solve this on their own.
If I've convinced you that our current approach is no good, maybe we're on our way to finding that solution.
admdrew ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, so if we don't treat non-offending pedophiles and get them to stray away from a path where they end up molesting children, what do you propose? Line them all up and shoot them even though they have done literally no wrong? Sounds kind of like you would love dictatorship.
theborbes ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're not white
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:23:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shut up
theborbes ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truth stings apparently!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theborbes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you're a poor reader, apparently. How was I being racist?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theborbes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL pointing out racism is racism, somehow.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theborbes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to explain your reasoning?
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theborbes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pointing out that white violent criminals are usually described as mentally ill (therefore deserving rehabilitation) while non-white violent criminals are not given the same benefit of the doubt (therefore just punished) is a racial stereotype? Huh.
To me that seems more like being anti-racist. Maybe I'm wrong - I'm open to discussion. But it seems to me like you've simply misunderstood - fair enough, I was pretty sarcastic with my point. But if you're not willing to explain your accusation then I suggest not making it in the first place
Nope. Being a pedophile is part of who a person is, much like being gay, it just is. Either you control yourself as a pedophile or you deserve to die at the time of being caught in the act. It's pretty simple. There is no changing them just like there's no making gay people straight.
MaulerX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing about where the pedo is nice or not. I'm arguing that the mother shouldn't have tried to murder the guy. We have laws, we advocate for due process.
I agree, that's why I said I'm not trying to vindicate child molesters. I'm reminding people not to vilify pedophiles who are not child molesters. Because we should be trying to help pedophiles before they harm children.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:47:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you support the expansion of capital punishment?
I could get on board. Hell yeah
eek04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in favor of the death penalty, as long as we (A) actually make sure that we don't execute the wrong person, and (B) we can be absolutely sure there is no brutalization effect (where the execution of people lead to more crime from other people).
I unfortunately don't know of any system that can ensure (A), and the jury is still out on (B). About false convictions: From a quick look at the evidence, the rate of false convictions actually seems to be substantially higher in death penalty cases than other cases - my hypothesis is that it's due to people really, really wanting to convict somebody when the crime is terrible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A perfect example of false convictions, especially in death penalty cases like you mentioned, is the West Memphis Three. The tl;dr of it is that three teenagers with an interest in the occult were arrested based on false confessions elicited through coercive interrogation tactics. They were sentenced to death but thankfully proven not guilty before being executed.
kerby74 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:02:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the kind of thing she should get off with a warning for. Just saying.
Cayvmann ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laying naked on my 12 year old daughter. That's a stabbing.
North Korea is just more of the same at this point
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:49:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my honest opinion, I don't understand why some people here say things like 'he should have died', 'she should have stabbed him to death', 'she should have gone for the neck'...
In a situation where you must use anything including knives to defend yourself and your family from danger it's perfectly understandable to justify your acts, for example, if the murderer/abuser dies.
But desiring someone's death is not good. Yes, I've said it. Even if they are murderers or rapists or whatever you want to call them. They are still people. They still walk, talk, see, hear, eat and breathe just like you.
What makes us different from them if we desire their death? Nothing, we are exactly like them if we do that.
Revenge is never good. As a christian I don't recommend anyone to revenge. We should not let ourselves be overcome by bloodlust.
Romans 12:19-21 says
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:58:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean that there aren't valuable moral lessons at the heart of Christianity, just as there are with all religions.
Just so happens the same religions still have a load of old pre-medieval racist, sexist, homophobic and other morally backwards precepts to iron out.
One of my favourite things that religious people do is the mental gymnastics of equivocating the literal "Word of God" with the "hey you know, you're not supposed to interpret that part literally!" stuff.
I'm a humanist (believe in people, not religions) but that doesn't mean I don't agree with a lot of the moral lessons that religion has to teach. Similarly, I'm totally with the Christian guy on this. No matter the context, it is still morally wrong to wish violent death upon someone.
Religion teaches cognitive dissonance which has arguably caused more damage to society then it has helped improve. A fear of an unknowable god lead to stagnation of society that we still witness to this date in many parts of the world.
Ghaarial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Do as I say, not as I do."
bamboni0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the neckbeard atheist.
marc43610 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:35:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've used a 6ft claymore
Dephire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like you
Whoden ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell do the cops have to get involved in this? It sounds like justice was already served.
We don't know for sure, but the girl is being treated for sexual assault, and both her and her mother claim he assaulted her. His best defense was that the daughter had a crush on him.
There's also the matter of her calling 911, not him, and him trying to break down the door of her home during the incident, which appears to be presented as a fact not in dispute.
Svataben ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:51:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why aren't you questioning whether the mother even stabbed him?
Stab wounds are evident, rape is not until examinations are done. But I agree with the other guy, why would you like about something like this. It's so easy to prove that no coitus took place, and in this scenario proving consent is not needed either (because a 12 year old can't consent), so the woman is probably right and justified
Svataben ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:15:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The kid could have stabbed him, a third party could have stabbed him. How do you even know aliens didn't?
And why must there be physical evidence of rape for him to have done enough for the mother to defend her child? How is it easy to prove no coitus took place. Explain to me the ease.
She says she stabbed him and there's no evidence of anyone else at the scene besides the 12 year old which probably isn't physically capable of doing it.
Svataben ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And both the girl and the mother says he raped the daughter.
Either we're taking people's words for things, or we're not.
We are talking people words for things if they say they did it. IE. If the man says he raped the daughter I'd take his word for it until then I'd like to let forensics do their job and keep everyone in custody until then.
Svataben ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:26:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she said she was protecting her daughter by getting a rapist off her and out of the house with stabbing.
We have her word for that context, not just part of it. So again, either take people's words for things, or don't.
I'll be assuming she stabbed him and waiting on forensics to determine if he was assaulting the daughter or not unless he claims he assaulted the daughter.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you'll be assuming she did it for no reason? Because fuck logic.
Because she admitted she committed what normally would be a crime and it's consistent with physical evidence with no other reasonable suspects for stabbing him and because we know he was stabbed.
Svataben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason could be she was mad at him and not because he was raping her daughter, again we will know when forensics comes back on the kids clothes.
Svataben ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him several times, while he was naked, because she was mad at him? For what exactly? What is it that you think is more likely than that he was naked on top of her child, as the child also says?
Several stabs over not doing the dishes? Leaving dirty socks out of the hamper?
How far are you willing to go to protect this rapist?
I don't believe jack shit without convincing evidence of some type or another and yeah if there's no evidence of him assaulting the girl after they looked very hard in all the places it would be if there was an assault I'm going to assume he didn't assault her.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you do.
Either you think she stabbed him for raping her child, or you think she stabbed him for being mad about... what?
yeah if there's no evidence of him assaulting the girl I'm going to assume he didn't assault her.
So even though less than two percent of rape claims are lies, even though he was naked at the time of the stabbing, and even though both mother and child says the same thing, you will take his word over theirs. Because fuck logic!
You are being highly, highly irrational and emotional, and I wonder why?
Of course you do.
Either you think she stabbed him for raping her child, or you think she stabbed him for being mad about... what?
I wouldn't know, would need to investigate but there's no point unless he didn't assault the girl.
So even though less than two percent of rape claims are lies,
Bullshit, less than 2% of rape reports have the accuser convicted of filing a false report and considering the DA doesn't even go after people who they know are lying that number is absolutely meaningless. You are literally claiming rapes happened in cases where there's no evidence that a rape happened.
even though he was naked st the time of the stabbing
He was her boyfriend, being naked in her place isn't all that unusual.
and even though both mother and child says the same thing, you will take his word over theirs. Because fuck logic!
I'm not taking anyone's word, what part of evidence don't you understand?
You are being highly highly irrational and emotional, and I wonder why?
Projection.
Svataben ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck...
Go to the RAINN site and educate yourself.
Being naked at her place while alone with her child is not fucking normal.
Not projection. Fact. You are, factually, being illogical.
I want to know why you're so desperately trying to be on this rapists side?
Newsflash idiot I'm familiar with RAINN and been down this rabbit hole before the only legitimate source for the 2% statistic is the amount of convictions for filing a false police report about a rape.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly not familiar with the facts then. You clearly aren't aware that several studies in several countries the world over has come to similar results.
Clearly you know fuck-all, or are wilfully ignoring facts.
I see you elsewhere defending a teen who is sexually harassing people.
Why are you so keen to protect sex offenders? What's your motivation?
Clearly not familiar with the facts then. You clearly aren't aware that several studies in several countries the world over has come to similar results.
Cite the studies.
Clearly you know fuck-all, or are wilfully ignoring facts.
Then back up your claims.
I see you elsewhere defending a teen who is sexually harassing people.
You mean the guy convicted of underage pornography for taking a pic of his own dick?
Why are you so keen to protect sex offenders? What's your motivation?
Why are you so keen to take away innocent until proven guilty?
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back your claims. I already directed you to RAINN. Now you back yours.
Why are you so keen on protecting rapists? Answer. Don't just make up a ridiculous counter-qyluestion.
Back your claims. I already directed you to RAINN. Now you back yours.
I'm disproving your claim moron, I need to know what specifically you are citing in order to disprove it. I told you the source of the 2% which you are citing which you obviously didn't bother to check the source of your source.
Why are you so keen on protecting rapists? Answer. Don't just make up a ridiculous counter-qyluestion.
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Because we don't know they are rapists, because as of yet there is no evidence they are rapists, so I am not defending rapists I am defending people accused of rape.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've disproven nothing. You just said some stuff. Back it.
But we do know, because according to you it's ok to assume when the circumstances supports it. And they do here, even if you don't like it.
So answer: Why are you so keen to protect the rapist?
You've disproven nothing. You just said some stuff. Back it.
You haven't given me anything to disprove, give me a specific citation.
But we do know, because according to you it's ok to assume when the circumstances supports it. And they do here, even if you don't like it.
You're the one assuming I'm the one saying wait for evidence.
So answer: Why are you so keen to protect the rapist?
Again because you have no evidence they are rapists. You claim they are rapists but you have no proof. I am defending people accused of being rapists not rapists. Learn to read.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying you believe they aren't, despite clear signs they are. You're being emotional in stead of factual. Why?
Still waiting for citations of those many studies you talked about earlier.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still waiting for a source to just one single of your claims so far. Like what the RAINN data is based on.
You made a lot of strange claims, including pretending that two articles said something they didn't. So... start backing your claims and stop lying maybe?
Nope I was referring to the thing you were referring to there was nothing to cite.
rayzorium ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only the world worked that nicely. What do you think they're going to find? Even if what she's saying is 100% true, she might have stopped him before anything actually happened.
In a legal system that works correctly, most rapists should walk free. It's just the way things should be.
And yet, it's not how things are, and I'm betting this guy is going to be put away regardless of whether or not he actually did it unless they recant.
If only the world worked that nicely. What do you think they're going to find? Even if what she's saying is 100% true, she might have stopped him before anything actually happened.
Pubic hairs, fingerprints, jizz stain, maybe his drool if something happened they'll find something.
In a legal system that works correctly, most rapists should walk free. It's just the way things should be.
That actually depends on the victims, if the victims say no and do nothing else to resist there isn't going to be evidence to find, but if every victim fights back with everything they have they'll be tons of physical evidence to put the rapist away, unless the rapist is a female then the male victim will get put in jail for battery... anyways my point is your statement isn't true, it's true in the context most rapes this day and age are in the I said no once vein (unless of course of a huge swath of women are lying about rape, which is technically possible) but if victims physically resisted your statement would not be true.
And yet, it's not how things are, and I'm betting this guy is going to be put away regardless of whether or not he actually did it unless they recant.
If there no evidence to confirm his story I don't know, false accusations have lead to people in jail a lot though and that's without a underage girl saying he was doing stuff to her.
rayzorium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if something happened they'll find something
I think that's likely. But I said:
stopped him before anything actually happened
Also, my other statement is true because I didn't say all, I said most, and most victims don't physically resist.
Enough happened for her to stab him repeatedly according to her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is we don't know what actually happened.
This is what trials are for.
Svataben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you having trouble with exactly?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Svataben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it really doesn't.
Because in this case it's so clear that circumstance supports his guilt, yet this dude prefers to consider two other people deranged liars.
That's the point that keeps getting ignored.
And none of us here are a court of law. We're not condemning anyone.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:10:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not at the very least wait until the sexual assault investigation is complete?
This story reached the top of Reddit, so it's going to be everywhere. People will literally drive to his house and kill him.
All I'm saying is give him a chance in court before that happens.
Which is what due process is even for...
Svataben ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait with what?
I'm not taking his chance in court away by believing his victim.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Svataben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not seeing the same thread I am.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because she admitted to it, he confirmed it and he has stab wounds. It's already been confirmed.
There is currently no known evidence he raped her other than the claim of someone who stabs people.
bjb406 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:44:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do certain people assume all rapists are innocent? She was 12. There is no such thing as consensual between an adult and a 12 year old.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The law assumes innocent until proven guilty in court.
That's literally all I'm saying.
And I'm saying this because people will literally drag the him out his house and kill him.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't even know if he raped her.
BECAUSE THE SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAMINATION HASN'T EVEN BEEN CONCLUDED.
They could be lying because the mom's crazy for all we know.
We have no idea.
Svataben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, if he hadn't gotten his dick in yet, but had still been groping her, and was on top of her intending to stick his dick in, I guess you think he's all innocent...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TWD_Sucks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:02:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know how easy it would be to get proof. If the mother is that stupid to lie about this I don't see the point.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:50:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:08:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what trials and the justice system is for.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we shouldn't talk about any trials until they are concluded?
Thats not what he was saying, we shouldnt assume guilt before a trial is concluded
SeahawkTJ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:14:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't we just have a story about a woman that has accused like 15 guy of rape before a judge finally convicted her? It does happen.
This is one of those cases where the cops need to be allowed to finish the investigation before everyone jump to conclusions. It is he said she said right now.
Svataben ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's a 'two people said, he said' + a hugely violent situation right now.
SeahawkTJ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:07:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's a 'two people said, he said' + a hugely violent situation right now.
Still, the sex assault test portion needs to be completed before we jump to conclusions.
Svataben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're ok with jumping to conclusions about who did the stabbing.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that part was admitted by the woman.
She called police saying that "her boyfriend tried touching her daughter and she stabbed him," records say.
Svataben ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:15:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ... I've been over this with another user already. Don't you think a mother would protect her child?
The point remains: We don't know any better about the stabbing than about the rape, but people like you are only questioning the rape.
SeahawkTJ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ... I've been over this with another user already. Don't you think a mother would protect her child?
Of course she would.
The point remains: We don't know any better about the stabbing than about the rape, but people like you are only questioning the rape.
She admitted the stabbing. Did you not read the story?
Svataben ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just fucking covered that part. Are you slow?
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just fucking covered that part. Are you slow?
I was about to ask you the same thing?
She admitted stabbing.
He did not admit raping.
The cops have not yet charged anyone. Which says this is not a cut and dry case of child rape.
I don't know how to make it any more simple so you can understand.
Svataben ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that's a 'yes'...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think him being naked on top of her might be enough
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mom and daughter said he was naked on top of her
It is possible, there are some sick people out there. But 2 things stick out.
1 the cops did not arrest him, why not?
2 why would you stab at the head (he was stabbed 1x in the back of the head, and 5 x in the chest) of someone who is on top of you kid, possibly missing and stabbing your kid. Why not just pull him off then do the stabbing?
Why wouldn't a woman, weaker than a man pull him off her daughter before stabbing him? Well I wonder.
Also it's pretty fucking hard to miss with a knife. Her daughter pretty safe in that regard.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't say they didn't arrest him.
Neither the woman nor man has been charged in connection with the incident that happened at a West 58thย Street home near Denison Avenue in the city's Stockyards neighborhood, but police are investigating it as a potential rape case, records show. ย
Why wouldn't a woman, weaker than a man pull him off her daughter before stabbing him? Well I wonder.
Maybe
Also it's pretty fucking hard to miss with a knife. Her daughter pretty safe in that regard.
The asshole is not going to just lay there and let her stab him, and the daughter ended up with lacerations to her hands.
Stop being disingenuous, the multiple witness thing only works when they are unrelated.
Svataben ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No? Wtf?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you except for where you said "this is one of those cases".
All cases should be equally investigated.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point. And they have now charged him.
downvoats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mother is that stupid to lie about this
This happens incredibly often.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 19:40:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to take things to the point of absurdity to make a point. Twelve year old aren't retards. They are old enough to consent to something as basic as sex. The point is that just because something is consensual, doesn't make it right. This is where you go wrong. Since you assume that: consent = no wrong, you put yourself into a corner where in order to explain that adults fucking barely pubescent twelve year olds is wrong, you have to instead find another ridiculous argument, such as "twelve year olds cannot consent to sex with adults". You are reducing the intellect and the agency of a twelve year old to a ludicrous degree. Even if this was consensual, it was still wrong, because adults should not be fucking twelve year olds. Consensual incest is wrong for example, doens't matter if it is consensual. Consent doesn't make things right. And twelve year olds aren't retarded.
Don't worry, you are sane. Sorry you got all these crazies replying to you who don't understand that not all allegations are true but at the same time we need to investigate them and take them seriously. Never understood why innocent till proven guilty was such a difficult concept for some people.
tydestra ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:45:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFC, I know Reddit is chock full of pedo defenders and people paranoid about false rape claims, but the mom found him on top of the girl. The girl is 12, fucking 12. He's guilty as all hell.
GhostBond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? Mother and daughter give the same account, he says the mother attacked him after he said he thought the daughter might have feelings for him.
That is textbook manipulative paedo-ing right there.
Thanks to my old job, I have too much first hand knowledge of what paedophiles are actually like as people and they are nearly all compulsively lying deluded little snakes.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:14:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:11:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was
tehnod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the guy in your link gets to come back and kill the neighborhood children in their dreams as revenge now.
Well the 12 y/o accused him of undressing her, and he was found naked on top of her. It's looking fairly damning.
badmother ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pity I can't give you multiple upvotes, but then again, you are near the top when sorting by controversial, as I do in threads like this...
sin94 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn it did you even read the article? here one section that should get the internet mad and assume guilty
***In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
i know it is assumption of guilt but what voice does a 12 year old have against an adult?
More important again if you read the article on the 2nd para Neither the woman nor man has been charged in connection with the incident
GhostBond ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i know it is assumption of guilt but what voice does a 12 year old have against an adult?
I mean that applies either way. "Honey, you tell the police what I tell you to say, or mommy is going to jail for stabbing someone again and no one will take care of you, you understand?"
Hehehe, ok man. I'll get a fedora if you braid your neck beard. Are we done now? Or do you want to continue this smug jack off session because you have something to prove to someone you don't know online to make yourself feel better about your shit?
Holy shit, you're downvoting me! Hahaha. You're trying to act all cool and analytical and make these assumptions about who I am and you're doing all this petty downvoting:) Look man, you win. I'm terrible and you're so cool for calling me out. I'm obviously clinically depressed and now I'll get the massage therapy I need. Bestof 100%. Have a blessed day!
Flux83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean he tripped and fell on the knife six times.
His is like me like a ton of bricks. Being 26 now, I never lived with my parents. Because of my family's situation, i moved in to live with my aunt, who was living on and off with a married man. Since I was 5 he started by molesting me.. i was physically abused by family members over the littlest things. I brought it up to my aunt when I was 6 and I remember, until this day, she came in the bathroom while I was showering and beat me up asking me all kinds of questions about what I had told her about her "husband". She then ended the beating with the "don't tell anyone about this" so I did.. and then when I was 9 I told my mother, I told her I wanted to live with her. My mother was poor, with no education, nothing going for her. I remember I told her I'd rather live under a bridge than with my aunt. She ignored me and all the details. Guy molested me all the way until I was 10. Then at 12, I thought I just wanted to be loved.. I told my sports coach about what was going on in my life and how I needed support. He then made me feel loved and wanted, until things went sour. One thing led to another and being used to the abuse I let myself get treated bad again.. this time by a coach. I tell no one about it and my life then changed completely. Needless to say, aunt is still married to the same man, coach (I've stalked him on Facebook) has had a bunch of kids with women half his age.. what got me mad from this story is the fact that the woman knew the dude had a record. Why expose your child to that kind of crap. That already meant he was trouble to begin with :/
jbnytxaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so sorry this happened to you. It's not your fault and you deserve to be loved.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Report the guy, now. Why not.
theCroc ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:13:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this can be filed under some kind of defense condition. She must be able to use extreme measures to protect her daughter from an attacker. Especially if the attack is already in progress when she discovers it.
theb1g ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:48:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are few times I think violence is appropriate but I am ok with this one.
hennalang ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:58:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lorena Bobbit that fucker.
sloth788 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:00:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see these stories come up on the front page every once in a while, and I'm always blown away at the degree to which people encourage retaliatory violence...
As someone who had to watch their father molest their sister in a public place when I was 11, I had a lot of anger and violence pent up in me for a long time... But I can gaurun-fucking-tee you that stabbing him would not have been the right move. Two wrongs don't make a right, and no emotion justifies the attempted murder of another person. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, you know?
The right move is to call the police immediately, and have him incarcerated. It's just that simple. There isn't another right move. That's the one.
Is her stabbing him forgivable? Sure. But so is him doing that to the daughter, as unpopular of an opinion as it may be... It took me well over a decade to forgive my dad. I'm still not there all the time, but you'd be surprised at the kinds of things you can come to peace with after you realize that your anger does nothing but make the world a darker place.
Condoning her violence is one thing. Sure. I can get that it's easy to look the other way when someone retaliates like that (even if the daughter isn't in immediate danger)... But actively encouraging and cheering her on for attempted murder? Come on reddit. Get your shit together.
Two wrongs don't make a right. It's that fucking simple...
PS: Downvote away guys. I'm probably in the 0.01% of people here who have any experience with this, but go ahead....
AJC_8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone in the 0.01%
Rage. She was in a fit of rage. Wouldn't the French call that a 'crime of passion'? I can understand what drove her to that fit of rage. I can forgive her.
sloth788 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can forgive a lot of things... The man and the woman both.
Holding onto resentment doesn't hurt them. It only hurts me.
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well said.
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To the last line that is. Don't know if I could forgive him though.
Opt1mus_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping an in progress rape with a knife is absolutely the right move. Would you rather she had let him finish while the police took a half hour getting there?
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I posted this on here earlier, but thought to ask your opinion directly. lionmama did call the police, but had to take matters into her own hands when they didn't arrive. Her daughter is 27, not 12, but still.
After reading this, what do you think her right move was?
sloth788 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At a certain point, self defense mechanisms apply to one's offspring as well...
If the police aren't coming, the attacker(s) are continuing to do harm, and refuse to stop, or threaten you if you try to make them stop, it's just self defense.
If they've stopped the aggression and you attack, of if you go hunt the guy down and beat him to death with your bare hands, like showed up on the front page a few months ago, it's a different story. Ideally you would simply restrain the attacker, but sometimes that's simply not an option... Incapacitating them is the only choice. Wanton murder when you could just knock them unconscious is a bit... well, extreme and violence and fucked up.
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply and your thoughts. Have a great weekend!
granwalla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aithne1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on her, if it did happen this way.
Geez. If anything (heaven forfend) ever happened to my husband, I don't think I could feel safe dating again til our kids were grown and out of the house. It's too scary to think some predator could sweet talk his way into my trust so he could target our kids.
Poor girl.
WaxAttk02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cool thing is he got fucked up by his wife and when he is imprisoned, he'll be known as a child molester meaning he's probably gonna get fucked even more. Sometimes things do come full circle
Not sure what's worse for this poor little girl, the old creeper on top of her naked or the stabbing.
What a mental mind fuck
wyvernwy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't give him a Bobbit? Shame.
dubdub11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pity the knife was a pocket knife. Not only was he raping her daughter, but broke the front door down to get back in after being locked out.
tbe4502 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World is okay with this stabbing.
8urfiat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Officer:" Ma'am, I want to be sure I have this right for the report. Are you sure he didn't trip and fall on the knife several times?"
Krolitian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could you say the woman is guilty? If she didn't attack him, he would have likely attacked or killed her in fear of her calling the police. This was self defense
I was reading the headline and I saw the "...woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend" and I was like oh no she's crazy, then I read "finding him naked on top of 12-year old daughter," and I'm like keep stabbing
In Texas, if it wasn't premeditated, she would not be indicted. Even if it was premeditated she would never be convicted. I don't know how Cleveland is.
Any locals interested in sharing the general consensus on crimes of this nature?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't a court in the land that would convict this woman.
gumgum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her only crime was not killing the fucker.
Hamann334 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How have no charges been filed?! Seems like pretty solid grounds for putting this asshole in jail for a long time. Dude isn't even denying it, just trying the stupidest defense ever that the girlfriend was jealous. God this type of shit makes me lose faith in humanity for so many reasons.
This is just despicable what the guy did. Personally I would have done the same thing if someone did that to my daughter. Probably took a bludgeon to him too, maybe a gun. And sic my dogs on him, but I would have done the same thing.
borshi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfectly justifiable imo
Freezella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High five to that mom! It makes me sick reading stories of mom's who ignore abuse to keep a man in their lives.
I got satisfaction from reading this, but that kid is going to be fucked up. Witnessing a murder immediately following being raped/molested us fucking traumatic.
is fit of rage considered a defense? it should be depending on the situation. Child molesting, assaulting the elderly, rape, attempted child abduction should all be considered
JinDenver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any idea when her award ceremony will be? Anyone know if it'll be televised?
sfangela ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish she had used a bigger knife
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those situations where many of us will agree we would do the same thing, however I fear the mother might be charged.
I hope for her sake she can get a good lawyer and possibly only get some small probation.
What a shitty situation for the victim and the mother.
Too bad she didn't kill him. ALL child molesters, pedophiles, and rapists of any kind should be immediately executed or cut into pieces and fed to dogs.
Give me the firearm and the knife, and I will do the feedings free of taxpayer money.
Are you implying that, if I have impure thoughts about, say, having anal intercourse with a young girl, and seek out methods to fulfill my desires, maybe not rape, but let's say things like, illicit pornographic images or videos, and then go speak with a counselor about my "disorder", I'm just magically absolved from the crimes I have already committed?
Pedophiles aren't rapists, like you say. I agree. But even without rape, don't you agree that there are many ways for a pedophile to be acting or operating in a manner that is not considered legal because of their* thoughts or desires?
Who is legally liable then? The counselor? The state or federal healthcare system? No. The person who is the pedophile is the one legally liable. Regardless of wether that person acts on their impulses or not, their desires in fact have legal implications.
We could use hate groups as a good example of this. Many groups classified as domestic terrorist organizations have never committed any actual "crimes", however, their ideology and beliefs are in direct conflict with laws and the things society deems as unacceptable. Just as having sex with a child is an illicit "desire", so is wanting to kill a certain demographic of citizens because it doesn't meet your particular, radical, views.
With this, I also say that certain "mental disorders" are, in fact, incurable, or at the least, untreatable. Pedophilia being one of those "disorders". You can't just say "that's wrong" to someone who clearly doesn't have the capacity to understand the gravity of their desires or obsessions. There is no help in getting oneself to not desire a morally and socially unacceptable thing as pedophilia. No system in place that provides rehabilitation to people with such afflictions.
What are you talking about? Child pornography is illegal. I never said it wasn't.
their ideology and beliefs are in direct conflict with the law
Ok lmao. Believing things is not illegal.
Pedophiles are human beings. They know right from wrong, and many seek and counseling help to suppress urges. Sure, you're right that pedophilia is incurable. But appropriate psychiatric care can treat it.
If pedophilia is incurable, how can it be treated? Your logic makes no sense.
Also, I didn't say that it was illegal to have thoughts or beliefs that run counter to the law, nor am I supporting any kind of thought policing in any way.
What I am saying is, is that if you have pedophilic thoughts, those thoughts can just as easily turn into illegal action, wether it is illegal pornographic material, or otherwise, pedophiles and their "desires" or thoughts, are walking a very fine line of legality. Bringing those thoughts or "desires" to the attention of a counselor does nothing. Talking about their fantasy world only further appeases their appetite for illicit thought and action, and vilifies them in a way.
There is no therapy for those who are pedophilic in nature. None. So, having "mental disorders" like they do, they should either be immediately reported by their counselor, detained and thrown to the looney bin, or be imprisoned for life like the rest of the people with "mental disorders", like murderers.
This topic brings up even tougher questions like, why are we, as tax payers, paying to keep people who offer nothing to society, alive in captivity? We both agree pedophilia is incurable, so why waste time, resources and space in already over populated prison systems, on people who cannot be included in the normal world? Why save people who cannot be saved?
Also, you are incorrect that appropriate care can treat pedophilia. A study by the International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology found that over a third of the people receiving treatment for their pedophilic ideas and actions actually just stopped showing up. They just dropped out of the program. Furthermore, the study found that "sex offenders who completed therapy were not any more likely to show empathy toward their past victims". The doctor conducting the study also pointed out that as far as prison programs for sexual predators are concerned, "There's nothing about prison that erases a person's attraction, or heightens their ability to control themselves".
I think you should go back to posting about Kanye. You seem much more informed on that topic.
I understand that you don't have an argument to bring to the table and essentially, don't have a leg to stand on in this debate. You obviously haven't read up on studies that confirm what I am telling you either.
It's okay, just go back to fanboying your misogonystic Kanye god who pushes rape culture lyrics in much of his music. I can see now where your opinion on this topic originated from.
Please stop bringing your terrible opinions to this discussion. Next time you reply, please bring facts that support your claims of treatment for pedophiles. Otherwise, we are done here.
Maybe you should pick up the fragments of your dignity and join me outside.
So she responded like a reasonable and rational parent. What sort of human wouldn't immediately assault someone who was in the act of raping their child. Also I disagree with calling it rage, it was righteous fury.
tenspeed2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than the actual rape, I think the most disappointing thing about this whole incident is that his wounds were treated. Only in a perfect world would a child rapist be hauled off to prison WITH his wounds untreated.
Every person in this country deserves due process. I don't care how much of a scumbag this guy is, attempted murder is not the answer. I do hope that this child rapist rots in jail where he belongs though.
Bwsab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs" Oh, no. Not this shitty headline again.
"boyfriend" Oh, goddammit.
"after finding him naked" God damn bitch.
"on top of" Infidelity is bad. Not a reason for murder! Goddammit!
"12 year old" ............?
"daughter." YOU GO GIRL!!! STAB HIM SO MORE!!!!
dgknuth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not guilty. Acting in defense of another. Next case.
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says."
Well, that's all I need to know. Someone give that woman a bigger knife to keep on her next time.
the article says that charges were made against the man but omit anything about the woman. Probably she won't be charged, especially since he is alive.
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is just some cute supportive crap, but ffs that makes the case of anyone you help worse. Anger is common in homicidal crimes, she's better off finishing the stabbing, calling 911, and evacuating her blood stained home to get her daughter into an ambulance for a checkup....
My initial response was gee, I wish she had stabbed him more. Then after careful consideration, I decided prison would be a better punishment than death. Most inmates despise child molestors.
TSGZeus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a good feeling this guy is gonna drop the soap in prison an awful lot real soon to find out "what the real world is like"
In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
This makes me sick.. I knew a girl in highschool who had this happen to her. She was sexually assaulted for 3 years by her step father starting when she was 11-14. When I found out, I wanted to kill the man myself. Thankfully, we were both being baptised at church and she spoke about this in her testimony. The best part is that she was only 17 when she told the pastors, so the church had to report it to the police that a child had been sexually assaulted. This basically forced her and her mom (who had no idea this was happening for 3 years) to press charges. The guy denied he did anything wrong. They decided to go with 25 charges of sexual assault, molestation, and kidnapping. He eventually plead guilty and got like 15years? Maybe? I hope prison is as rough as I've heard for people who do sick stuff like this.
Woman says she stabbed man because he attempted to rape her daughter. Man says he was stabbed because daughter might have had feelings for him. Yeah, which sounds like a more likely reason to be stabbed, pal?
Jesus, stuff like this brings out this primal rage in me, even reading it makes me want to smash my phone. How on earth do social workers and police not completely lose it when you come into contact with these people?
tyrick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... that woman is my hero.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I just stabbed my boyfriend to death this would be the perfect excuse.
Yelao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, humans. We're either a potential killer or a rapist. Perhaps both, in some cases.
TrueGlich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy that's going to be a fun case. Hopefully the cops/DA get a air tight case on the facts. I so see this one going down to Mom is a pysco and gets daughter to lie VS Boyfriend is a peto battle.
BAC_Sun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An expert psych review of the daughter should clear the mom of getting the daughter to lie. There may be physical evidence as well. In a way I hope so, that way there is no defense, but I really have a hard time hoping the boyfriend got anything other than stitches from the two of them.
That being said, if the mom lied that's equally disgusting, but the psych reviews should clear that up.
Totally acceptable reason to repeatedly stab someone.
Arguswest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had an uncle who was hush hushed when ua asked bout him in the family. I get older only to find out he has been diddling my cousins for over 10 years. He gets locked up 25+. I get older and find myself in the yard in Med 1 ACI . ( prison ) Hear his name get called to medical. Found my way there first. He come waltzing in.. I say. You 'Joe Shit'? 'yeah, wh.. ๐ฅ' I blasted him in the face as hard as I could. Did 15 days in seg. Even cops said it musta been worth it...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good thing about America is that she won't be charged for it.
In other countries, she would have to go through hundreds of hours of trials, in the USA she'll just be given a high-five from a bunch of cops and that's it.
Actually unfortunately that's not always the case she might still have to go to court and prove it wasn't premeditated now she's waaaaay more likely to actually win but their are cases where they've lost in similar situations and actually in most of Western Europe in most cases of child sexual abuse there isn't a case just like in the US
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure? My idea was precisely that in Western Europe she would be trialed for what she did, whereas in the US she would be let go immediately.
I remember the case of a guy that beat a rapist into a bloody pulp when he caught him in his house raping his son: The police said "there is nothing to arrest him over, it was legitimate self defense". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLgZ65CrUQ
As someone who has lived in both england and the us the laws are pretty similar she might be more likely to have to testify in court in Europe but the outcome would be pretty much the same save for certain situations (like if she didn't do it immediately and instead waited untill a while later to kill him somewhere else )
As someone who has lived in both england and the us the laws are pretty similar she might be more likely to have to testify in court in Europe but the outcome would be pretty much the same save for certain situations (like if she didn't do it immediately and instead waited untill a while later to kill him somewhere else )
Zovable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have fucking ended his life. No sympathy for rapists. Hopefully he gets beaten to a pulp in prison.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a valid reason to stab the shit out of someone
Ryuuken24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have cut his dick off. This woman is a hero, she doesn't deserve to spend a single day in jail, let this woman go!
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, and, if you have a minute, please read about lionmama. Her daughter is 27, not 12, and she had called the police already, but when they didn't turn up, she took matters into her own hands. Our instinct, our reflex, our DUTY, is to protect our children. And surely, it is also a kind of self-defence, self being you and yours.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a case where the mother should be lauded and not charged while the pedophile boyfriend should end up in jail.
Let's hope that is how it turns out.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if she not only lied and had her daughter lie to cover for her?
This is why I feel hatred every time I see one of those "progressive" news articles trying to make pedophiles out to be anything but heinous and deranged monsters. They're manipulative, sick people who deserve nothing good in life. Lock this garbage excuse for a human being in a prison for the rest of his life, until one of his fellow inmates finds out what he's there for.
I can only imagine what that woman is going through. I hope her and her daughter can somehow recover from this after enough time.
This is a little off topic, but I work in child care and stories like this keep me up at night. The craziest part is Iโm 19 male and have no kids of my own or plans to in the near future.
Itโs like a switch flipped in my head once I started getting close to some of the kids that I work with that makes me have nightmares when I read about this shit. I work with pre-k to 3rd and allot of the kids I work with are foster and even homeless so they already have allot of baggage but sometimes they do shit that no 1st grader should be doing that sets off huge red flags (and reports are always filed)
I just donโt understand how some people can legitimize or normalize actions in their head enough to go through with sick shit like this. I 100 percent would of done the same shit as this woman and if one of the kids at work told me that their parents or someone they are close with did something of this caliber to them you better believe Iโm bashing their skulls in if I see them or get my hands on them before the cops do.
Hell hath no fury like a mother protecting her child from someone who is attacking them. That applies to both animals and humans, and in this case, he was both.
The world will never stop providing SVU with source material.
There's a special place in hell for that guy.
nmerriot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bf should start smoking weed and have his balls removed
opzoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so i wanted more information on this, so i googled 'cleveland rape' and sorted for 'last week'. There are like 4-5 different cases. Three child rape and one about a 78 yr old.
I have lost all faith in humanity.
I think it means of the stabbing itself in terms of what exactly happened in the struggle there. The article is VERY clear about what the little girl told police about the assault.
The one thing that troubles me here is that the kid has cuts on her hands from the knife. I can see the mother having them from the struggle, but why the kid?
Thank God!! More people need to be like this woman! If I EVER caught anyone hurting my daughter, it would be death for them!
CLX053 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be hard pressed to find a jury that would charge someone for this even if it did turn out to be illegal. No way she faces any charges for stabbing him, as it should be.
Yeah, if what the article says about what the child told investigators is true, the only thing mama did wrong here was using a pocket knife instead of a butcher's knife.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bman409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering if chimps rape prepubescent females. I kind of doubt it, actually.
At first I thought it was just another crazy bitch and was gonna keep scrolling but then I read the other half of the sentence and was like WTF.Sorry for thinking you're a birch lady,and sorry your ex-husband was such a disgrace to humanity son of a bitch
Emberlite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserved it. Too bad he isn't dead. I hope the woman and her daughter walk free and that the girl gets top quality therapy because that fucks people up. Two people very close to me have been molested and I've seen how it impacts their self-esteem despite how rational they are.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. a 12yr old cannot defend themselves in that situation, only an adult can defend them. However, the law is a piece of shit and doesn't always read between the lines so she'll go to prison for a while most likely.
Fucking insane men out there, I'm telling you (as a man). Also, it's crazy that a lot of people here actually had similar personal experiences like it's a common thing now, jesus christ
Reading the title my thoughts were as follows "Okay I get it he cheated and is a piece of shit, but you shouldn't have-.....okay yeah fuck that piece of shit. Carve him up like a fucking turkey on thanksgiving."
All pedos should be lined up against a wall and shot
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even imagine the rage she must have felt. One of the few occasions where aggravated lethal force is moral and probably legal
optogirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says."
what the actual fuck
aihley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that 12 year old girl didn't witness the stabbing but I guess it beats the alternative of continuous raping
mike_d85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I might be okay with this.
rsound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, stab him once or twice, then cut his dick off.
14132 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely justified. 10000% ok in my book.
Ho_Dang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This woman did what was right, pedophiles do not change no matter the counseling received or jail time served.
BigTopGT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However many times she stabbed him, it was one too few...
napmax_1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good saves money on the trial
KoRnKloWn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good, fuck this rapist piece of shit. More woman need to be prepared to stand up to ass holes like this, more women should take self defense classes and carry weapons too.
SlarSlar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women probably shouldn't let convicted felons stay at their houses unattended with their 12 year old daughters either.
KoRnKloWn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is also very true.
Malache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where can I send money for her defense?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow....
The only reason I'm glad this woman didn't use a larger, sharper, and generally deadlier knife is that it means this poor little girl didn't have to witness someone literally die in front of her after being sexually assaulted.
Though if anyone publishes a study showing strong evidence that watching one's sexual assailant die can be therapeutic, I will rescind the previous paragraph.
Chubbs117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did she stop at 6?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely she did it out of self defense. In self defense you generally want to stop attacking once the attacker is disabled and can't do anything else.
Pilgrim3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems fair to me.
No charge to answer.
Lazuliv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't stab him enough if he's still alive.
revret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cut his balls and feed him with 200 ml cranberry juice.
Since I am a liberal
The updated article closes off with the following paragraph:
"Troy Parks, 31, [โฆ] was convicted of aggravated assault in a 2011 Cleveland police case, and sentenced to one year of probation. Parks has other convictions for theft, felonious assault, failure to comply and drug trafficking, court records show."
rockadial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember a scene from fear and loathing in Las Vegas about castration and double castration that probably could apply to cases this blatantly open and shut. The fucker was caught red handed there is no oh maybe he is being framed.
Actually though, I'm incredibly happy that the woman reacted the way she did. This was the only reaction that is just truly satisfying and now he's being charged for rape. Fuck that guy.
Fucking scumbag. ๐ I hope the girl recovers without too much damage to her psyche. It will be a long time before the mother or daughter are able to trust again.
Good for the mama, some mothers would pretend it didn't happen just to keep the man in their lives. If she's looking for a boyfriend someone should introduce her to the dad who beat his molesters son up.
Um, the mother should be considered for sainthood for not going back and finishing the job. Interrupting raping my 12 year old child... best hope that I don't just knock you out and you wake up in a shed in the middle of the woods amputating your limbs with a baseball bat.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The details of the report aside, why would the editor allow a write up the uses the phrase "the report said" so many times. I read this and found it distracting from the story.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
Yeah, he definitely deserved to get the shit stabbed out of him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This 12 year old is going to be really in need of help.
Madenmann ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
I figure i wouldn't be all that thrilled in that situation...
If i was the judge i'd put her into a prison but merely to have her be away from it all. Can't have the state pay for vacation but she does need a change of scenery. Also the daughter should be able to visit her at the place. To which i'd order psychiatric evaluation because i figure she could use some medication in her bloodstream...
The woman still had enough arm strength to pick up and dial a phone afterward. She did not stab him nearly as many times as she should have.
Hahonryuu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im conflicted. On one hand, screw this guy, no mercy!
On the other hand, i assume now the daughter essentially just lost her mom since, reasons aside...murder is murder in the eyes of the law.
So she was raped by someone she presumably knew and trusted, watched her mom stab a man to death, watched a man die, and now her moms probably gone too...
She's gonna have a rough tim. Not that she already hasnt :(
But still, screw that guy
Wdf1987 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy didn't die, though he should have
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, i assume now the daughter essentially just lost her mom since, reasons aside...murder is murder in the eyes of the law.
Not necessarily. There are all sorts of potential mitigating factors, especially in this case.
Hahonryuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so. She's gonna be in a rough mental state for most/all of her life no matter what. I'd want her to have her mom :(
Seeing some other comments apparently theres such a thing as "justifiable homicide" or something like that? assuming the mom herself isnt coo-coo for coa-coa puffs, i hope this applies to her.
I hope the both the mother and the girl get all the help they need. My uncle married an Irish girl from a staunchly Catholic family, the type of people whereby God/The Devil/Hell/Heaven are as real as the nose on your face.
My uncle found out after years of marriage that his wife had been repeatedly raped by her father since she hit puberty - she never left home until she was 28 because she didn't want her two younger sisters to go through the same as she had. She would intercept her father at night and sleep with him so that he wouldn't get to her sisters.
The mother repeatedly went to the police and their priest for help but were basically told that my uncles wife was just a whore that had led a good God fearing man into temptation. The mother committed suicide, my uncles wife has severe mental problems because she utterly believes she's going to spend eternity in Hell and to top it all off my uncle started drinking heavily to cope and is now in a hospice with a degenerative brain disorder caused by the alcohol.
The number of lives this shit has ruined is fucking unreal so I commend anyone that has gone through it and is still living their lives - that takes a hell of a lot of strength.
lomika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:30 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. Just an article here in Wales said he'd been released without charge due to lack of evidence. Pft, more fake news! ๐ก
Good! Glad she wasn't charged she probably would have been if she killed him, but as a mom I consider protecting my child like my own self defense perhaps even more. Dirty man assaulting a 12 year old now how did he think he was going to get away with That?
Oh boy, this kind of thread. The kind where commenters have a contest to see who can fantasize about hurting child rapists the most. I understand feeling this way, but the way you guys talk about it creep me out. It seems like you are guys almost eager to hurt people when you have a good reason to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. People get absolutely no justice in wages, police brutality, abuse of soldiers in the war machine, education, debt and our financial system, they know that generally white collar crimes will be rewarded with golden parachutes and property crimes will either never be solved or the person will get off light, on top of it all, doctors prescribe some of the most addictive and expensive drugs but you can't even smoke a joint in some states without getting hauled off to prison. Drunk drivers get back on the road but poor people get pulled over driving while black or if white, driving a shitty vehicle. "Excuse me sir did you know your taillight is out?"
These sex offenders, we are all allowed to hate them. Nobody will come back saying "well why didn't you get a better education" or "I guess you shouldn't have had kids if you couldn't afford them" or "Well you made these choices" or "come on would you rather live in communism / the wild west?" Nope. Nobody is going to attack us if we get angry about the injustice. Nobody's going to say we are ungrateful.
Yeah, everybody hates them for good reason, and this guy got what was coming to him. He's talking about the blood lust in this thread. People are literally fantasizing about murdering a person. Even if it's justified, it's still pretty sick.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't justified it though. I have explained it. That said, if it's justified it's not sick.
I think it's normal. When you have a whole society of people who aren't even forgiven the interest on debts they took out at 18 to get a job, who are even vilified for their "irresponsible" choices, you can expect people to want blood for crimes like this.
Our society is merciless and hateful towards its own citizens. Talk back to a cop? Die. Get sick? Debt for life.
When they have the chance to rip someone to shreds, someone is finally below them, watch out. Politics is bad enough, but people know that if they let out their hate on a politician, they will get downvoted, they will get blamed.
Child molesters are at the bottom of the heap and this is a fucking angry heap. I would not be even a tiny bit surprised if they had public executions for those guys. Someone has to suffer for all the pain and loss of control people feel. Rape a kid and tag you're it.
Everyone has the urge to hurt people at some point in their life. We all work hard to keep that urge under wraps but if given the chance to actually murder someone a lot of us would go for it and why not a pedophile. If someone said to me that I can torture and kill this man because of all the children he's raped and not get in trouble, I WOULD. And it would be glorious because I would pretend that he was the man that hurt me as a child.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone was raping your daughter what would you do? "Excuse me sir, could you please remove your penis from my daughter". I don't think so. If it was my kid and some guy was doing that, he would likely be dead.
Yes because the only possible options in this scenario are to politley ask the man over a cup of tea to cease and desist or stab him 5 times in the back and head.
Wonderful critical thinking skills random redditor.
Yes because liberal people are the only people who believe in the constitution of the United States. Because the only possible option in this scenario are "defend rapists" and "murder in cold blood people accused of being rapists". I can see critical thinking is not welcome here. Y'all mother fuckers need less Batman, more constitutions.
Not denying this incident took place, but people should remember that children can easily be led to tell lies by their mothers, my own mother tells lies to my 4 year old brother all the time about how her partner is 'such a bad man' and shit. and it works. she basically made him hate his dad without even understanding why.
If he's a rapist who molested his own daughter. castrate and lock him up. if she lied about him being a molester and mindfucked her daughter into also perpetuating the lie, throw her in prison and render her barren. this is my take on things.
The article doesn't really give much details either way
tawp_dawg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the woman was the only one who had penetrated anyone that day.
If he has stab holes in his clothes, I'll listen to his side. If not, he was naked and busted...case closed.
SeahawkTJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the only time he would be naked is during a rape?
People lie, mothers, daughters, boyfriends. The fact there had been no charges against either one at the time the story was released tells me the story is not cut and dry.
That makes sense. My comment was reactionary and I was mainly playing detective wondering if the holes in the clothing angle had been pursued.
I generally know better than to comment on news stories, because the real facts tend to come out later and reveal less insidiousness than originally inferred.
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've all done it at some point.
๐ป A toast to reactions!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She better not get fucking charged with anything because that's fucking bullshit that he did that and she should have every right to fucking destroy his life any which way she chooses. If I was a father and I had a 12-year-old daughter and a man was naked on top of her in my house he wouldn't be walking out of there alive
SeahawkTJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If. The rape kit hadn't been completed at the time the story was released.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? A grown man shouldn't be on top of a 12 year old girl. You're an idiot trying to defend a child molester.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People lie, when this story was first released, the police had charged no one. So it was either the guy lied and had been found naked on the child, or the mom lied and stabbed the guy for another reason. The main thing is the cops had not arrested anyone involved, so why automatically believe the mother?
That has changed and the guy has since been arrested.
I was not defending a child molester, I was saying that with the information we had at the time we couldn't know who was lying. I am so sorry for not jumping directly on the hang him by his balls bandwagon without all the info.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be from California
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born in Texas, raised in San Diego!
But am now curious why you would say that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:04:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, stay in California then. Thanks for confirming what I knew. Your reply makes sense to me now. Lol
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wanting to have all the information before making a decision is a California thing?
Wow, who knew?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but pretending over Reddit that "I would stay calm and collect the facts first" when walking into your 12 year old daughters room finding a grown man on top of her is an idiot Californian thing.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I see your confusion now. I was initially responding to this part of your comment.
She better not get fucking charged with anything because that's fucking bullshit that he did that and she should have every right to fucking destroy his life any which way she chooses...
At the time of that comment, the cops had yet to arrest the guy.
And by your comment it seemed like you believed the mothers side of the story, with only the " he said, she said" laid out in the story. I on the other hand believed the story to be odd, as the police had not arrested either the man or the woman. so that is where the stay calm and collect the facts mind set comes in to play.
As for walking in on a naked guy on top of my kid, per my response to another user in the same thread, they would have needed a coroner, not the cops. There is not a snowballs' chance in hell that I would remain calm. There is a huge difference between my reaction if I saw the crime take place, and reading a story with only preliminary info. We have seen plenty of stories posted on reddit that start out with " a did X to B" only to find another story where that was not the case at all. See r/hatecrimehoaxes for examples.
hope this clears things up a bit, and helps kill that anti Californian feeling you seem to have.
Silent--H ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:48:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mother/daughter are lying about the cause of the stabbing, THAT is the other side.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dcsievert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS is why crucifixion and stoning should be brought back. If a pedophile sees another pedo racked up and stoned to death, I'm betting kids won't look as sexually desireable...
GhostBond ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dcsievert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh. And you advocate for going straight to crucifixion and stoning straight after the accusation with out any court involvement? You know, like what we have in place now before the death sentence is carried out? I don't know why you're asinine enough to do that, but fine. You, I would send right straight to the cross. Everyone else gets their day in court. Sounds fair to me. No /s required, here.
DerEineDa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because that's how sexual attraction works!
dcsievert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might not be how sexual attraction works, but it would go a long way into predatory deterrence, wouldn't it smart ass?
miqotes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. People can face life imprisonment and also death depending on where you are for certain crimes and that doesn't stop people from still doing what they want.
dcsievert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really. And I call bullshit, right here. If there were no repercussions - i.e. NO ONE went to jail and NO ONE got a lethal injection - there would be a LOT more crime.
The VAST majority of people who MIGHT commit crimes are undoubtedly concerned with getting caught, and by extension, worried about facing penal repercussions. Very FEW criminals are flagrantly violent and do NOT try to avoid capture and conviction.
That some FEW of criminals are not able to dope out why they should use their knowledge of those repercussions to NOT do their bad acts is NO reason to NOT pursue repercussions for all who do wrong, and by extension, attempt to keep others from similarly breaking the law.
But yeah - if you care to coddle rapists, murders, etc., go ahead and campaign to remove the laws putting people in prison because incarceration and such just isn't viable in your eyes. We'll see how that works for you.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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parlarry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:48:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say she didn't stab him quite enough....
Lethn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you all going to do if it turns out she was lying? We only have one version of the events here and I find it interesting how fast you're all siding with her.
The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says.
The woman and her daughter gave a different account of what happened.
The woman told police that she was headed to bed when she spotted the man naked on top of the girl, the report says.
Looks like it's a pretty fucked up family generally to me so I'd be surprised if it was as clear cut as the version the girlfriend is going with.
sewerrat4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The daughters account kinda solidifies it, I don't know how you're giving the guy even a fragment of sympathy. A man raped a child, he deserves to burn in hell
Lethn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called respecting due process and there are times in domestic violence cases for example where children have actually been trained by the mother to lie about the father in court to make him seem like a monster. Not that you've thought about that in the slightest, you just want to virtue signal and feel good about yourself by bagging an accused paedophile and calling it a day.
sewerrat4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a fucking joke holy shit.
There's obviously legal stuff to go through, but acting like people are "quick to judge" in a pretty clear situation without much reason to doubt the story, when it's about something as vile as child rape, is disgusting.
People are justified in villainizing him. There's very little reason to doubt what the daughter says. Hell, most kids are scared to speak up at all, it's much less common for a mother to train her kid to lie.
Lethn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're a fucking joke and somebody I would definitely refuse to hang out with because of your attitude.
Finally, someone with some logical thinking.
I too see all kinds of holes in the moms story. Everybody is quick to lynch the guy, (please...if guilty I would gladly help) but there's other weird shit going on in this house, I guarantee it.
It'll be interesting to eventually hear 'the rest of the story.'
Lethn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the police haven't released any details of what they actually encountered and so on with their investigation it could just as easily be a domestic violence case and things like that. Like you, I'm glad there are other people not jumping to conclusions, redditors really are a bunch of twats at times.
I was starting to feel I was all alone with logic in here, I scrolled down too far in this thread to finally find one post of any thought.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have killed him
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I didn't vote for Trump but political leanings shouldn't really apply in this situation.
HHHikari ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:33:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you an American? With you guys selecting Trump as president and saying shit like this in this thread, I have no positive opinion of you guys anymore. You guys are terrorists
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a parent I have a daughter and some animal raping her would be lucky to die a quick death
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd likely end up getting both you and your child killed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would take the chance. In America even in the face of overwhelming evidence or takes one mistake by the police or prosecutor and he walks free. One tiny mistake and that sick bastard walks. I'm sure that you are fine with that though. You sound like the type of person that would defend his actions. You can't rehabilitate a person who would rape a 12 year old so he would just do it again.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd take the chance of getting your kid killed? You should have your kid taken away from you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have a child do you if you don't no offence but your opinion doesn't hold much weight. Also whatever country you are from maybe the laws are different. But no chance in Hell would I allow a person who I saw raping my child and was already in the process of stabbing to live.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So all of the abusive and negligent parents out there would be qualified to comment on this but not me because I don't have a kid?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you are fine but I would like to hear what you would have done
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to say. I'd like to think I'd call the cops and let that guy know they were on their way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how would you feel if he got away or got off on a technicality and brutalized and maybe this time killed another little girl? I ask because our laws are so different that a simple clerical error could be enough to let a man that you saw rape a child walk away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The alternative is vigilante justice which puts the victim in danger.
Well why don't you go to your pedophile apologizing cave so we don't have to listen to you.
HHHikari ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:57:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd go to your terrorism and extremism apologizing cave it'd be better
jetcoff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better than normalizing pefophilia?
HHHikari ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So are you saying by not stabbing people to death on spot someone is normalizing it? Are you serious?
jetcoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I'm serious. Child rape deserves the death penalty.
_Shal_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both Trump supporters and non Trump supporters can probably agree that this is warrented. Violence is allowed to stop a serious harm to yourself or someone else. She shouldn't go too far when the threat has been handled but at the time of this crisis she shouldn't be trying to hold back for the sake of a rapist. Also, as much as prison and fines deters people from committing a crime, those make some people just avoid leaving evidence or not commit it in front of authority. If a victim or a friend of a victim can use violence with a potential to kill if necessary, that would also demotivate some criminals.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not terrorists, they're just dumb as shit.
slider2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part of a roundabout is when people don't go around and just go flying in the air. I saw a brand new e300 get like 3 feet of air the other day
Blubalz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PIP_SHORT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won't and shouldn't go to jail for this. The boyfriend, however, his punishment hasn't even begun. Just wait until he gets to prison.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't support murder of these guys, but holy crap this guy hurts kids. Seriously who does this? What makes it worse for me is that I was falsely accused of this crap and it makes me want to go after guys who really do this. I also don't understand why children? Hope the guy gets a life sentence.
RDGIV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we please start hanging people like this again instead of wasting tens of thousands of our tax dollars feeding and sheltering them in corrective institutions? That same money could go to helping people in need, rope is cheap.
Etherius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I hope she's acquitted of any crime and he's executed
I'm as liberal/anti-death-penalty as they come, but raping kids is next-level crime. If you're caught in the act, a death sentence should be pretty common.
Why are you anti death penalty if you're just going to concede your stance when it involves a rapist. I'm completely pro death penalty. Keeping the despicables alive probably costs more innocent lives than banning the death penalty.
In general, I'm against the death penalty. We already know it costs more to execute than it does to incarcerate for a lifetime. And a lifetime of jail is significantly more punishing than death. Given the number of exonerated individuals that were on death row, I don't generally trust our system to fairly decide who dies and who doesn't.
But like all things, it's not black and white and more shades of gray. There are some exceptions I think are worth it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck rapist in general but i believe that all child rapists should be slowly tortured to death. To cause as much pain as possible while still prolonging their life. It's what they deserve
Im glad this guy got stabbed. I think we should do a little more judging of women who bring child molesters into their home to live with their kids though. It seems to happen a lot. You have to be a little more discerning about what kind of people you let move in with you when you have kids.
This happens all the time in the white trash community. Single mom hooks up with one abusive guy after the other, the kids suffer, and society feels bad for the poor woman when in reality it is just as much her fault.
If you're bringing someone into your home to live with your children, you have to be a better judge of character than this. I know this will be downvoted severely for this but I don't care because it is the truth.
nunzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of blaming the mom, why not blame the asshole for being a fucking predator? Your belief that this happens only in white trash communities is terrible. This shit happens EVERYWHERE in every socioeconomic strata.
Consider yourself privileged that you haven't had to find out exactly how sneaky these predators are...how they con everyone.
I am blaming both. I didn't say it doesn't happen everywhere, but it's a lot more common amongst the white trash because white trash women can't resist the drunken drug addict abusive men
This happens a lot because these sex fiends are arch manipulators. They know the vulnerabilities of their victims and how best to exploit them. The tragedy is that as the cycle of abuse is never broken. Children who are exposed to this and other forms of abuse more likely to be abused or become abusers themselves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many people praise the woman, as do I. But when comments are made towards chemical castration of child molesters everyone geeks and screams about being against their rights..... But killing is okay.
Zevvion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking torture is justice is a mentality that has led to all the shit in the world.
The fact everyone wants to ignore is that nothing repairs the damage. Vengeance through torture is trying to mend your own damage. It does nothing for the victim.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chemical castration isn't torture. Castration isn't even torture, it's a punishment. Both are means to prevent further molestation and to discourage other child molesters.
No, because depending on the size of the knife, her daughter could easily have been hurt.
Ryusirton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it says pocket knife in the article. It also says both mother and daughter got lacerations in the struggle
evenios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ugh why do women date such complete scumbags? chances are there were major red flags in the first place with that guy my guess is she should never have let him in her home. but i hope she doesnt get charged too harshly considering :-( or at all really. :-(
Bman409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.. why was there a man in their house at "bedtime"?
People have no sense of decency
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are directing your disapproval at the wrong target.
Turd_King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the kid won't be traumatised by having a naked man repeatedly stabbed on top of her.
You know, id say that we should wait for the trial before passing judgement, and i still think the trail may bring out more information and the truth.
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He was convicted of aggravated assault in a 2011 Cleveland police case, and sentenced to one year of probation. Parks has other convictions for theft, felonious assault, failure to comply and drug trafficking, court records show.
Bay1Bri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roller coaster of a title. I was disapproving for most of it, then suddenly I was rooting for the stabber. This news story brought to you by M Night Shaymalan.
FXOjafar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a reasonable reaction to the situation.
so what is your take on the story ?
"Woman attacks boyfriend for no reason "
"child makes up a lie to get mom's bf in deep trouble "
"boyfriend attacks mom's knife to save mom's daughter "
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:11:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman is crazy. Woman tells daughter what to say to police. Man throws woman against wall because she's stabbing him in the fucking chest.
Thanks for the typical circlejerk reply though. People just can't be civil when they have anonymity I suppose.
e: downvotes for replying with my opinion, I assume. Keep up the good work.
e2: Wait a second... I sure hope you people don't actually think the things I listed aren't realistic possibilities. That would just be naive.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:06:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman attacks boyfriend for no reason "
Women stab their boyfriends because...
They cheated
They thought they were cheating
They dreamed they were cheating
They wanted to leave them
They wanted attention
They are psychopaths
People also have used the rape claim in attempted murder cases repeatedly, including claiming rape of their children, even when it turned out later they had lied.
It's levels of stupid to claim "why would she lie?"
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the poor aren't able to incessantly free-ride off of their betters, they have no rights?
Did you just ignore the whole paragraph underneath that bit? Not everyone who is poor is poor because of their own actions. Not everyone who is rich got that money themselves. The most vulnerable in society must have their inherent human rights protected.
Get married to a decent man (there are many of them) and treat him well.
Why should they have to? You're not better than them. Why shouldn't women be allowed to choose whether or not to marry, whether or not to have a career, choose who to vote for? Your attitude to women is absolutely disgusting. You're proposing that women be stripped of their rights because you don't feel they deserve them. Yet you try to deny that you feel that they are inferior.
If you don't think they're inferior, why do you want their rights stripped away? Your views are contradictory. If you just think they're inferior, grow a spine and admit it. If you truly don't think they're inferior, have a good long think about why you think they should have their rights stripped away and be entirely dependent on men. Ask yourself why you would possibly think that if you truly believe they're equal members of the human race.
I'm sorry but you may be one of the most hateful people I've ever spoken to.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I voted right wing in the first election I could vote in, and I voted left wing in the second. I vote for the party I feel will be better for the country, I'm not blindly tied to one political side.
I didn't say that women shouldn't be allowed to work, I just said that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
No but you are effectively saying that women should be reliant on men for their rights to actually be considered - if women have no vote, they have no political voice. If they have no political voice, they cannot champion their rights. They become totally reliant on men to do that.
Do you want a society where the basic fruits of your own labor are taken in large amounts and a nanny state exists that polices whatever you do?
I believe in taxation and I believe in a welfare system. I think it can be improved from its current state, but I believe that it's necessary. I say that as someone very likely to fall into a high paying tax bracket. To say that this necessarily goes hand in hand with a 'nanny state' is a fatuous argument.
Where meritocratic immigration is axed in favor of the floodgates being open for whoever that wants to enter the Western countries without any regulation or rule.
The world is more nuanced than you think it is. I believe in meritocratic immigration. I also believe that refugees from war torn countries damaged by western policies should be taken in by other countries. I believe those that do enter should absolutely be held accountable by the rules of the country they're in.
You fundamentally want a society in which men are better off, women are worse off, the wealthy are better off, the poor are worse off, the right wing is better off, and the left wing is worse off. Thats what you've been arguing for. You claim to be a wealthy right-wing man. Isn't it interesting that the society you think would be best is one that entirely matches up with your self interests and not the interests of the majority of humanity?
I think you're entirely focused upon your own self-interest, which is fine in your personal life, but is an absolutely contemptible world view to hold.
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No worries! Glad you agree. Have a great weekend!
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Yeah, I wish people wouldn't insult the IQs of anyone who disagrees with them. It drives me crazy. Although, I do see the same thing from conservatives. You're doing it right now by calling liberals dumb shits.
You do sound very racist by the way. Calling black people pets and assuming their IQs the way you are. You seem to be doing the exact same thing people are doing to you, just with a racial component. It's a bit too complicated to get into here, but you should know that IQ is not a simple thing to measure or even define, but when we remove variables likes access to education and proper nutrition, black people and hispanics perform the same as other ethnicities in IQ tests. Just an FYI. We should all be hating on each other less.
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I'm sure that some sort of "defense of other" laws exist in every state, and it shouldn't be hard to argue that attacking a rapist in the middle of the act counts as defense of other.
Well, I'm sure he'll get more stabbings in lockup.
Loke1997 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe how openly vicious and violent reddit gets over paedophiles and child molestation. It's a horrible crime, yes; probably the worst, and should be dealt with severely. But the amount of people who seem to be calling for the stabbing, murder and torture of a fellow human being, no matter how sick they are, is just as disturbing.
TIL calling child molestors mentally fucked is defending them. I'm saying we shouldn't put them down like fucking rabid animals because humans as a species (atleast in modern western culture) have evolved past treating others like rabid animals. Stop being a degenerate regressive if you want avtual change to happen in the world.
miqotes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They kind of could be considered that if you account for the fact we are animals.
Yes, because humans clearly have intelligence comparable to that of an animal. I'm not talking about the biological sense of the word, where we are technically animals, I'm saying that humans are intellectually and "morally" superior to other animals, so we shouldn't treat other human beings like they don't deserve a life. Maybe I'm a terrible human being for believing that we should actually try and help super mentally fucked people and give them a chance to reintegrate themselves into society instead of putting them down like an animal in such a brutal way like stabbing them to death, but that's just my opinion.
Yes, the response would be different, because stabbing a child is different from stabbing an adult. If a 12 year old boy was raping a girl, yes it would be incredibly fucked up and he would deserve punishment, but the situation would be different.
Why do I get the feeling she will go to jail for attempted murder? The law never seems to work in favor of those defending themselves. The narrative is always "call the police" but sometimes that is not fast enough. I hope justice gets served here.
She MAY be charged but I'm betting she won't see jail time. No jury will send her to jail. She was protecting her child - there has to be some kind of legal protection for that.
Loss of civil rights and murder are fine (and even rape against rapists; lol what logic) so long as they've commited a heinous act in society's opinion and they agree that "well it's only these people losing their rights they lost commiting a crime and totally doesn't set up for a dangerous precedent." Things like this becoming more normalized by our barbaric society does indeed set a precedent that denial of the writ of habeus corpus is fine so long as it pertains to criteria which is arbitrarily and unilaterally agreed upon without any vote or feedback of any kind. Yes it may only be child rapists, muderers, and other violent criminals whom receive vigilante justice; but how long before that criteria expands to minority groups given the current administration and America's insatiable appetite for authoritarianism and corporal punishment? It's not very far to the bottom before they come for you, and who will be left to speak for you?
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man was actively raping her child. Should she have just stood back and let him get on with it?
BRKTPZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible! Disgusting! He deserves more than that. Put him in jail and watch him get raped by adults.
His_Self ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The saddest part of the article is the man survived. This is probably not the first child he has forced himself on and likely she will not be the last.
Glad to see this response from the mother, I cover news for a small radio station and was in a trial last year about a guy who was caught eating out a young mentally handicapped girl by the mothers sister and her boyfriend. The mother wouldn't believe the sister and boyfriend and from minute one was trying to talk the girl out of what happened. The police officer that drove them to the medical examiner said the mom insisted her daughter use the restroom before they get there, and was constantly talking about how her sister and friend were drunk idiots trying to take their trailer when the cops arrested her boyfriend...
She even testified against the prosecution where it came up that she was molested her entire childhood with parents that didn't care and allowed it to continue... Such a sad story, but luckily the jury sent him to jail for I think 15 to life...
nofate301 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It said she stabbed him in the chest and in the back of the head.... my aim would have been lower. He would not have been able to rape anyone ever again.
At first I thought she had stabbed him immediately as she saw it without letting him explain himself, but after reading th rest of the report; i'm glad she stabbed him.
Darkfeign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part that blows my mind is neither of them have been charged? A man has been stabbed multiple times and an underage girl has likely been sexually assaulted. Where are the arrests?
Wait this guys still ALIVE? That's some remarkable self control from the mother there. Pretty sure most people wouldn't have stopped stabbing for quite a while.
"The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says. "
Someone needs to show him what it's like in the real world of prison when you are someone's bitch.
BoldBrass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Due process should hurry up and fast track this guy to death row. That poor girl will have to live with this for the rest of her life while this miserable piece of shit mopes around in jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appropriate course of action.
AfriQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Sounds about right
madguins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah, honestly few instances where I'm totally okay with that type of response. There are too many instances where parents do jack shit about these things and ignore it.
caldera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's a shame money will be spent in legal fees and dealing with this corpse. in reality all that money could be spent celebrating the efforts of this woman and her child for harrowing this experience.
CCams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland woman stabs boyfriend "oh god another crazy person stabbing people gain"(finish reading title).........good. Stab that monster.
My grandmother was a druggie and often left my mother by herself around that age with strange men. Heard many stories from my mother and something like this happened to her. She was being carried around her arms and chest into a room. She stopped him by putting her feet against the wall frame around the door opening and locked her legs. Luckily my grandma came back and saw. Apparently she grabbed a screwdriver close by and stabbed him repeatedly, grabbed my mom and left Pasadena for good. Unfortunately my grandmother didn't clean up her act until her third daughter was born. My mother was her first daughter. So about 20 years.
pwolf1771 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus what the fuck is wrong is this guy?
r3dd0t23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says.
Yeah, "She had feelings for me!" That's what every man caught naked on top of a teen or pre-teen says.
Man Cleveland keeps getting a stab at the front page the past 24 hours
stray100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel really bad for that little girl. Her mom's boyfriend, basically a guy trying to become her step dad, sexually assaulted her which leads to her mom and this guy literally stabbing each other while she sits there in the room and is forced to watch. This guy certainly deserved it, but the fact that it was done as the incident occurred could have only compounded the trauma involved. I hope she can get better after something like this.
Edit: words
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you bothered to read the article you'd see he was completely naked when the police arrived and the daughter also said he raped her. Also his statements to police were evasive at best.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At work. Take a chill pill, I wanted to know what evidence they had
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we have proof she did this? If you're going to take the article's word for her stabbing him, you should also take its word filing him raping the child.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that was loaded. It was a simple question. Btw your argument is stupid because you can see stab wounds where as you can't see that a person was raped without DNA evidence or tearing
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The question is as relevant as yours.
It perfectly illustrates the ridiculousness of only questioning him raping for supposed justice.
Sure, he had stab wounds, but you don't know who did it. Why isn't this questioned along with the rape?
Oh, and you're vehemently ignoring that, even if he hadn't gotten his dick in when he was discovered, it was still sexual assault.
Adding to this, tearing can happen trough rough, consensual sex too.
So I guess unless we have a rape tape, we can never ever convict a rapist according to you?
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm. I'm assuming she didn't deny stabbing him, and she said she did it because he raped her kid. And the man denies it..
Since she's 12 if there is tearing I'm guessing we can agree that rape occurred in this instance, yes?
Did the police see him on top of the child? If not, they need more evidence than just that. Yea he looks guilty as hell, but I just want to be certain is all.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, we can't assume that. And what if there's no tearing. Are you claiming then that there was no rape?
Anyway, you're still ignoring that just because the mum said she did stab him, it could still be the kid. Mothers will protect their children. So you don't know about the stabbing, you're just choosing to believe how it happened. Which is what you're berating people for about the rape.
It's hypocritical as fuck, and you know it.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm saying there needs to be evidence besides them just saying there was rape. Such as DNA or tearing, idk all the forensics but you get my point. Them saying it shouldn't be enough. So I wanted to know the tangible evidence they have.
Your argument that maybe the kid did it is ridiculous. It's not relevant to what I asked, entirely unlikely, and you're just trying to make me seem like a rape apologist.
Tone down the emotion.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're actively trying to ignore my point. Why is that?
Why ever, I'm not letting you, so I'm making it again: We don't know any more surely who did the stabbing than if there was a rape, yet you're only concerned about the rape. It's telling.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got your point, it's just ridiculous. And just because you put it in bold doesn't mean it's any more valid, because it's not.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's factual, no matter how much you don't like it.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The woman told police she stabbed him.
He had stab wounds.
The mother and child said he raped the child.
He was naked when police arrived.
That's what we know. If you think logically, we can assume beyond a reasonable doubt that the woman stabbed the man. However, all we have for proof of the rape is the mother and child said so. I just want evidence that he did it.
Why is that so bad?
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just summed up your hypocrisy so beautifully!
You're happy to assume on one side, but not the other. And you're even lining it up with bullet points. Amazing!
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like talking to a brick wall. I feel sorry for you. Have a good day sir
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now you're assuming I have a penis. You're a bastion of logic, alright...
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew you were a woman, I just said that to piss you off lol
It was pretty relevant. As you were being a troll and I just called you out on it. Annoying, perhaps. Inconvenient, maybe. Irrelevant? Nah.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:41 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she was just being led by her emotions and being a cunt. And now you are, how funny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good.
There's nothing more disgusting than sexually assaulting underage children. It was a pocketknife so that gross, sorry excuse for a man will recover. That girl, however, will sadly not be ok for a very long time.
xskramx2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preface: Not here to judge, just curious how people feel about this following question/scenario.
More often than not I only see comments about mutilation like this applied to men who sexually abuse; as someone who had endured being molested as a child by a man who was a complete stranger I understand the rage towards an attacker but wonder why this revenge fantasy isn't as commonly applied to the equally monstrous women who commit this crime.
Never really thought to ask anyone else before but would you also feel the same if it were a woman who had raped a child? Would you want her stitched closed/clit chopped off? Why or why not? Obviously many people think mutilation isn't even a consideration in this scenario and others feel like it's the best, so come one come all.
To anyone who offers to share their views or opinions on this matter thanks in advance; I understand it can be immensely difficult to bring yourself to think about such horrid things so I appreciate whatever you bring to the table. I hope you all have wonderful days.
Absolutely, complete removal of the clitoris, remove all pleasured. With exception to concensual bdsm sex, the second you objectify other people to the point that they strictly exist for your sexual pleasure (especially with children), you give up the right to decide what should be done to you. Castration and female genital mutilation to strip a rapist of either gender of their ability to recieve pleasure from sex is the very least I would hope for.
should have strangled him, would have made it a lot more personal
leejoness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have killed him. And then she should have been rewarded.
TRBRY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserved it but I'll never celebrate violence. Btw I would do the same as the mother no doubt about it.
AJC_8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Window into my mind as I was reading the sentence: 'oh wince' ... 'Whaaat? aright then'.
Seriously? Wtf? What kind of cretin? I know what kind of cretin. The kind that will get what he deserves when in prison: 'Sleep tight - might be your last night'.
Funny how sometimes I can turn a blind eye to violence.
VToff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't have a better grip on the knife... or a longer blade.
wwwyzzrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What drug does this?
Numella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand she will be in trouble for murder but I support her decision 100%
Edit: I feel bad for the kid I know this puts her in a foster situation if she has no immediate relatives but what the guy is doing, if I ever saw it happening I would do the exact same thing
Dude should be fucking grateful she was his girlfriend, because if it were me & my daughter, I would have used my dull lil pocket knife to not only take his manhood away from him and toss it down a dark lonely highway, but I would have watched him take his last breath as well!!
I presume a jury would do the right thing and laugh hysterically at any DA who tried to charge her with a crime
Calither ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says. ย
Right, it had nothing to do with the fact that you were naked on top of her twelve year old girl.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, when he gets out of the hospital, how long will he spend in jail?
There was a man in my town who killed his girlfriend in retaliation for calling the police when she found out he was molesting her daughters. He had a previous rape conviction, but had never had any psychological evaluation or treatment. At least one of the witnesses had to leave town because of threats by his relatives/friends/fellow psychopaths. Whatever we're doing to create these monsters, can we please stop?
I would have laid him down naked in the dessert. Arms and legs bound down by wet leather and his cock tied and pulled by wet leather. By the time it dried it would pull him apart if done right
ay26335 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would of too better than the justice system giving him 6 months ๐ to a year for rape then have a drug dealer get 25 years to life for selling drugs. I'd gladly go to prison for life cause I would kill someone over my daughter in a heartbeat
iwhitt567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone should stab anyone, in an ideal world.
That woman was not living in an ideal world at the time.
Well, what was she supposed to do, let him continue? Fuck that. I've got two teenage daughters and the one thing that I know would put in a murderous rage would be discovering someone hurting my wife or kids. I can take a lot of abuse, but I will protect my family. The thought of something like this happening provokes a visceral response from me.
exotics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just have to say "Good for her". My sister works with social services and occasionally has to deal with kids of women who knew the boyfriend was abusing him but rather than not having a boyfriend at all they turned a blind eye to the abuse..
Yup.. some women are so desperate not to be alone that they allow a guy to abuse their kid rather than to have no guy in their life at all.
serves him right if this is honestly a pedo trying to groom a innocent young teen.
if this is a broken home situation were the mom allows the daughter to be fast aka all grown up and is aware or unaware of the teen having grown men as boyfriends...then shame on the mom for allowing the fast teen and the pedo for being together alone.
i know of a situation like this were the mom had a kid in her teens so by the time the mom hit 32 her wild teen was 15, the mom never grew up always was chasing men...younger men at that. very proud that she could still pull guys that were 21-23 when she was 32...well one of these 23 year old guys seen the opportunity of a wild teen at 15 sitting at home and ultimately the 23 year old guy and 15 year old daughter starting having sex as well.
At first I thought this was a BIG over reaction as I was a 12-13 year old boy. But 31 Years Old!!! Let em bleed
Kain0wnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R/Upliftingnews?
Kajkia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says."
This kid is already fucked though, at least the odds are against her to be normal.
Let's imagine, for a minute, that the potential rape didn't scar her, the man who was supposed to be protecting her just got stabbed repeatedly by her mother.
It's a lose lose situation that will snowball into an illness as she ages, especially when she has a kid of her own one day.
Come across this on Reddit: "Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, reports say" click
Read article title: "Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, reports say"
Read picture caption: "Cleveland police are investigating after a woman stabbed her boyfriend 6 times after seeing him naked on top of her 12-year-old child, police reports say. (File photo)"
Read first paragraph: "CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Cleveland woman repeatedly stabbed her boyfriend in a fit of rage after finding him naked on top of her daughter, according to police records."
Close article Screw this. There isnt any news here.
creeldeel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hurting people is bad in general but given the circumstances I can understand why she stabbed the monster. Can't believe he was messing with her child.
The word "her" should have been put it either before the word "boyfriend" or before "12-year-old" ... my apparently not jaded enough brain thought it was the 12 yr old and her boyfriend and the mom went nuts on some little kid.
Seriously, what is wrong with people? It seems this is all you hear about anymore. Is it drugs, lack of morals, being mental or what? The sensible part of me says report him and let him get arrested and convicted and spend time in prison while getting what he deserves, while the father in me says blow his brains all over the wall and stop him from doing it to another child. My heart aches for these kids, being abused by the people that should be protecting them.
Sentry459 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems this is all you hear about anymore
I just googled it, and apparently crimes like this are happening less often in recent decades. I think we hear about them more because of the increase news coverage.
lack of morals, being mental
Definitely. No-one in their right mind would do that to anyone, let alone a child.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ftrees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reports say?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good job lady! Stopped just short of killing him like you should have! You avoid a murder charge and that sick fuck gets stitches and jail time. /r/JusticeServed
Good she shoulda fuckin killed em low life piece of shit !! I hope he has to shit in a bag the rest of his pathetic life...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My SO just told me about how her current stepfather would do this to her and her sisters when they were much younger. He went to court and her mother protected that piece of shit. And because the girls were scared of losing their mother, they testified that he didn't actually do anything to them so he got off Scott free. Is there anything that can be done about this? She still has to see that man on a daily basis ever since it happened. It sickens me knowing that molester isn't behind bars and is still around those girls.
tymink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fun times in Cleveland todaaay, Cleeevelaaand"... "Come and see both of our buildings" ..." It's the perfect place if your a douchebag".... "Who the fuck still uses a pay phone"....
Lol I loved that song. Too bad a messed up story made me think of it..
Okay so pending the forensics I'm going to hold off on judgement, because if you just stabbed someone repeatedly and had a 12 year old daughter claiming he was raping her would be a good way to get away with it. Though if he did do it they should be able to prove it easily.
While she was justified in what she did, I'm glad he is alive to face down the justice system. Killing him would have solved nothing and probably would have made her liable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say justified given the title of this post.
Punishment fits the crime. Too bad it was only a pocket knife
pogue23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should get this lady together with the dad that beat the guy to death when he caught that dude molesting his daughter. That would make for an interesting conversation.
He's fortunate the mother utilized a folding knife rather than a kitchen cut. Generally with five cuts to the chest and one to the head, it's impossible his youngster assaulting ass would in any case be relaxing.
What hurts is when this started the molester was 15 years old and probably was molested by an older adult just previous to this.
I don't blame the father at all for what he did, but man oh man. If this molester was a 60 year old white dude he would have lawyered up and not confessed.
I wish there was a better way of dealing with child sexual abuse.
machambo7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither the woman nor man has been charged in connection with the incident that happened at a West 58thย Street home near Denison Avenue in the city's Stockyards neighborhood, but police are investigating it as a potential rape case, records show. ย
Im confused, how do you have a potential rape of a child and not arrest the rapist?
You can't charge someone without completing an investigation.
machambo7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article states they have the childs and mother's testimony saying the man sexually assaulted her. Unless there's more to the story this article leaves out, it would seem that would be evidence enough for a charge.
deweese3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would wait till a conviction for any guilt verdict, any report can be slanted. If true, through the book at him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me ill how pedophiles exploit single mothers.
I would murder the man who touches my daughter, no question, no second thoughts. Cuff me
LilooWoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophiles don't deserve death. They deserve to be chemically castrated. Once they are castrated we can make use of these pedophiles by employing them in non-desirable shit jobs like iPhone factories and sewer maintenance or display them in pedophile zoos where we can spit at them and make them run in labyrinths for their food and electrocute them when they make a wrong turn.
We could even hook them up to virtual machines where they live out the rest of their lives virtually in a hallucinogenic world of torture until they die.
I'm pretty fucked up. I grew up thinking all men were pedophiles until I went to therapy and realized there were men out there who genuinely didn't find under aged girls sexually appealing. Blaming this outlook on my uncle who assaulted me when I was 14 and the two other men who assaulted me when I was 9.
Is there any way to extend self defense to the mother? It would be legal for the daughter to defend herself right?
Source: know nothing huge about laws
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on their city/county/state laws. There are placed where it is permissible to harm someone else in defense of another, but usually the force needs to be equal. There is always temporary insanity.
I'm no keyboard warrior and I won't claim to be a buff dude but this is nice to know.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All depends on your state though. In California we have a duty to retreat rather than stand our ground. It would only be justified to harm someone if we cannot escape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poorly titled article. I was led to believe she stabbed the daughter's boyfriend. Journalists reallllly need to put more effort into their titles (and honestly their articles as well.)
Kudos now this is news worth hearing about. I hope he was in pure unadulterated pain and agony. When he goes to jail the real fun will begin. They hate child abusers and rapists. He's both. Watch the soap you disgusting child rapist! Big Ben and others will make an example out of you. I am just so tired of these predators harming children. When is enough of this! Too much.....just too much..this poor girl but thankfully she had a mom who said not my baby! I would love to when they have some time to heal hear this mothers story to encourage ppl to protect their children.
first52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A Cleveland woman repeatedly stabbed her boyfriend in a fit of rage after finding him naked on top of her daughter, according to police records."
I wonder if this is sloppy journalism. Unless the police report specifically says that rage was at the core of the attack it could be that the mother stabbed the boyfriend to defend her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas they had a case where a father found a farm hand( i think) molesting his daughter. He ended up beating the kid to death. He was found not guilty. Hopefully the same happens here.
monstaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow good on her, he deserved that shit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was really concerned it was going to be one of those awful cases where the mother gets charged, but I'm glad they didn't press that. I have no clue why the boyfriend is still breathing free air though...
Really sad for that daughter. I hope she recovers well and is able to stay strong throughout the future. As for the boyfriend, I hope he learns what 'having a boyfriend' in the prison world is like.
From the title I thought this was going to be from r/nottheonion.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a knife guy, I am glad to know she had a pocketknife on her. Also he got lucky since he is still alive. I don't think he would still be alive if most other people had walked in on that. Hopefully he can "get lucky" in prison multiple times.
Should've stabbed him at least twice as many times, one wound for each year that would be happy for her for a long time. Fuck that guy, with many many many deadly weapons
Can you really blame her? I would've done the same thing; if there's one thing I can't stand it's child molesters/rapists, you have to be a sick fuck to get off on hurting an innocent person like that.
moesdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone set up a fund to pay for any legal for her?
"Honey! My pants stab fell off stab and STAB I tripped! stab"
SG804 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that sounds about right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justice has been served
madonnac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best reason for Jury nullification: Yes she's guilty of assault, but because of Jury Nullification, the jury can say fuck that, and give a not guilty verdict.
Of course, because of this, there will be no charges filed, as the judicial system doesn't want you to know you can do that shit.
Berzuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, it could have been worse.He could have gotten shot or something.Maybe we should count our losses and move on?
That title kept getting worse, even when I thought it couldn't get worse.
jadenPete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:29 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with her response but can we just ask ourselves how this would've gone if a Cleveland man repeatedly stabbed his girlfriend after finding her naked on top of his 12-year-old son? Don't say it doesn't happen because the media NEVER reports female-on-male rapes or rape accusations.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair question. Too bad I can't iterate the tone of my disgust in words better. I meant for OMFG and WTF to be the same disgust. But I was making the distinction before a pedophile and ...
yeah as I contemplated the difference, I am not sure what I was thinking. Just enraged by this despicable act.
Gonzo_goo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am ashamed of my fellow redditors. Violence against the man won't do anything to help the child. I sometimes feel like I am sick and twisted but you guys take the cake.
Uh yeah, it stops the sexual assault. I call that helping.
Had she not responded with violence, he may have attacked her to keep her quiet or even been fucked up enough to continue with the assault. You can fairly assume that after being caught doing something so vile, he wouldn't have shrugged it off and accepted the coming punishment.
Thrannn ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 15:47:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
isnt it strange how every comment defends her attempted murder?
im not taking any side on that discussion, but its interessting to see how many people are pro-publicexecution as soon as it comes to children. but if its anyone else, for example a 30 years old guy gets raped, nobody cares about it. "because childs need to get protected" but that 30 year old guy dont need any protection?
edit: alright nevermind, you guys are ridiculus. its not about defending him or some shit. its about why people dont care about other crimes which are equally bad, as much as about this. why are there so many other rapes in the world but people are like "oh alright whatever" instead of acting like its something bad?
but if you arent able to read my question without thinking im defending a fucking child rapist, than dont even answer me.
If the story is true, then her actions are not attempted murder but fall under self-defense (self-defense extends to the defense of others from imminent harm, not just yourself)
This wasn't a public execution, it was an act of defense.
In the middle of a direct violent action, you forfeit all rights to life and bodily autonomy from your fellow civilians. A person intervening has no ethical duty to gauge minimum effective force.
Therefore, the level of permissible harm to stop the direct assault is not an ethical concern.
Meaning that in this situation, the only measure of the violence is its effectiveness in ensuring the perpetrator is made harmless.
Ending their life is objectively the most effective way to end the assault and make them harmless to the victim. Ethically there is no difference if you blind them, knock them out, or disable them or kill them. So all that matters is effectiveness.
This isn't attempted murder, she was defending a child from being RAPED. Jesus christ I can't believe you're actually defending him.
Thrannn ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:18:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck you missed the whole point of my comment...
its not about DEFENDING HIM. fuck him. its about why nobody cares about for example older rape victims?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:38:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be just as likely hurt someone to defend an older or male rape victim, but children are more defenseless, especially against someone in a position of power over them.
Thrannn ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:50:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but isnt a 30 year old male thats getting raped (!) also defenseless in that situation? if a person gets raped, he clearly isnt able to defend himself against somebody in a position of power over him.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but you wouldn't normally view that person as defenseless, and sometimes people have trouble adjusting their views on things. It's like how a lot of people have trouble adjusting to the fact that their hero or role model is subject to the same problems as the rest of us.
Thrannn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but you wouldn't normally view that person as defenseless,
why not? he is beeing raped. like wtf thats probably the most defenseless situation in his life. just because he is 30 and a male, its totally okay to read in the news that he got raped, without getting angry? people should get angry about every rape or crime, not just if its a child.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:34:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh fuck off every time a rape is in the news it's because people are angry. we don't talk about it for shits and giggles.
the average adult has a fighting chance to fend off an attacker, children do not which makes these scenarios particularly heinous. change that adult to someone with a physical or intellectual disability and people are just as outraged.
Who brought up older rape victims? I wasn't talking about that. I was saying that the definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another person. This isn't unlawful, it's more than justified.
Thrannn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the point of my comment isnt the murder part but the "nobody cares about other rape victims all over the world" part.
i dont know either its because im not a native english speaker so people dont get my point. or you guys are really as heartless and desensitized as i thought, since you just care about other rape victims.
Murder doesn't just mean to kill someone, by definition it's the unlawful killing of another person. In this case the person she killed was trying to rape their 12 year old daughter I mean jfc
I see what you're saying but I still disagree. When you say "we shouldn't just attempt to kill people" you make it sound like such a causal thing, like if this continues we'll just kill random people all the time. This was defense against someone doing one of the worst acts a person could possibly do. It's more than justified.
_Cattack_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have.. problems?
Dithyrab ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're already fucked up mentally by your 30s, kids can still maybe be redeemed.
Mrka12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant kendrick lyric
"I can't sugarcoat the answer for you, this is how I feel:
If somebody kill my son, that mean somebody gettin' killed."
Tell me what you do for love, loyalty, and passion of
All the memories collected, moments you could never touch
No this wasn't murder, but rape can scar people for life especially at a young age. I doubt I would be able to stop myself from something drastic if I walked in on my child being raped.
Thrannn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wasnt the point of my comment at all.
Mrka12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have a much stronger emotional response to children. I browse r/watchpeopledie but avoid most videos with children, because those are the only ones that have any effect on me.
Thrannn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but this shouldnt be the case. a life is a life, doesnt matter if hes 12 or 25, homeless or rich, black or white. its a life thats getting ruined, and we should care about every life the same
Mrka12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:01:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children are defenseless
Thrannn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
every human is defenseless if he is in a situation where he cant fight back. it just needs a knife to make a strong bodybuilder defenseless.
Mrka12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children literally cannot control anything. I'm not saying the same thing doesn't happen to adults but children have no real control over anything. On top of that, stuff like rape is far more likely to seriously affect children than adults.
Thrannn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no sorry, thats fucked up. people are arguing with me that its "okay" to rape adults, or not as bad. i cant accept that this mindset is part of our society.
im sure there are adult rape victims out there who are still suffering with their mental health after years. and we shouldnt just act like "meh its fine. hes old enough to get raped and be okay with it". sure im not stupid i get that childrens need our help and people get angry, but people should also feel the same, or atleast care a littlebit, if an adult gets raped or into whatever kind of crime
Mrka12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm explaining why we react more to children getting raped than adults, not saying that they aren't equally as bad.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because our society is ageist as fuck, and unlike racism or sexism, for instance, nobody gives a SHIT about it and tries to change it.
badmother ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:30:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if a 12yo girl fucks her 14yo boyfriend, that's ok. Magically, she is not raped, molested, or suffers long term psychiatric problems.
Ghaarial ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:38:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My SO was raped by a sicko when he was 4. 4 YEARS OLD. If I knew the bastard's name, I would kill him. So fucking disgusting.
Who looks at a kid and thinks "ooo hot"??? Like I don't fucking understand molesters. Kids are so immature and underdeveloped, the last thing I think about is sex when I see them. Fucking nasty. FUCKING HATE RAPISTS. LOWEST FORMS OF HUMANS. COMPLETE HUMAN TRASH.
Probably, but probably less so then allowing the guy to continue raping her daughter. Personally if my options are between getting raped, and watching my rapist get brutally stabbed in front of me to stop them, I'm going for the later option.
I'd urge people to avoid jumping to conclusions on this case. I work for the PD that's dealing with it - NOT on this case, I'd like to stress - but it's all anybody is talking about.
The media are reporting the lady's side of the story here, which is markedly different to what the man involved states happened. This is not a 'news' story, with impartial facts of the case. This is one side's statement. The child's statement is also being reported, which I think is very irresponsible of the media, but not unsurprising...sadly. Since it's out there, I'd like to point out that the media are reporting quotes from the child's second statement, which again is wildly different to the first one that she gave, before spending time with her mother and appointed legal representation.
I'd also like to point out the sentence in the article which states that the child also had defensive knife wounds on her hands, which very few people seem to have noticed or picked up on.
Again, I'd urge people to wait for more information before condemning the man involved - although, I know that with the information at hand, that it is currently the only logical thing to do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a struggle for the knife, so the daughter could have been cut during that time.
z3an ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope mommy put one of those stabs in his "thing". Fucking sicko, I hope she gets even more justice in court.
PussyPass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets play the, "guess the racial ethnic background game!"
Arguswest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the ever popular ' live up to that stereotype '
Drezzzire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the few stories where the woman attacking the man feels justified.
You take my kids innocence, you fucking pay.
Did she already have the knife on her or did she see him and go grab the knife.
Legally it could be attempted murder.
Circumstances matter but we do have laws...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they try for the insane defense which to this mother could have very well been the case. It's disgusting to touch a child. I just wish they didn't separate the perverts in prison. Issues would be resolved quick.
I for some reason read this as "woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him named on top of 12-year-old daughter's laptop". And I was like what the hell am I reading. The reality was much much worse =(. Fuck that guy.
Mooba-moo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So now the girl has gonne from being raped to witnessing her father being stabbed? One trauma more for her.
At least reddits lust for revenge is stilled...
(i get the reaction, but calling the police would have been better, also for the court-case because now the father has gonne from a rapist to being a "victim")
nunzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nowhere in the article, does it say this was the girl's father. This was the mother's boyfriend.
Mooba-moo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right...
Still bad to see a stabbing.
Mordarroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I'd be charged with manslaughter. Of course with my family noone would find out. Theory would just "go missing"
He walked into my knife. He walked into my knife 10 times!
slowmood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me like she locked him out and he broke down the front door trying to get back in and THAT''s when the mom stabbed him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says. "
As a soon to be father. This in my opinion is a completely appreciate reaction. That being said, after being stabbed in the chest 5 times and once in the back of the head, I'm surprised he can still give his testimony. . .
zoahporre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was just a pocket knife, not like a bowie knife or anything.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You never know - many pocket knives are capable of killing someone and are not just small Swiss army style knives. She might have just missed any vital areas. Either way is fine - he goes to prison and is in hell there due to how inmates treat pedos or he dies. Honestly he might wish for the latter once he gets to prison.
zoahporre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no doubt friend, no doubt. All I mean is an average pocket knife is simply much smaller than an average household or hunting knife.
If she had a chefs knife even, this would have ended in his death.
I believe the handbook calls this maneuver the "Appropriate Response"
Lady_TR0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These mothers are heroes! Stab away....
Xeerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck! it's the second post about pedophiles i see on Reddit today!
I cant imagine what kind of shit is in their heads.
What drives those people to want sex with kids?
Why there are so many of them and even possibility to end their lives in a jail cant stop these morons?
Usually i do not blame people for their kinks that i don't understand.
I'm a kind person, but i think i would kill pedophile if i catch one,
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually, they have religion in common. The pedos, that is..
drhugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, there's pedophiles and child molesters and the sets don't overlap.
drhugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is a very inappropriate analogy / metaphor or whatever because cheese popcorn is awesome. It's more like a transition that can't be reversed.
I'm a nonviolent person. If I walked in on that, I have no idea what I would do. I could imagine just about anyone losing control and killing the guy in such a fucked up situation. Hopefully the kid gets whatever help she needs.
[deleted] ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love all the "appropriate response" replies, knew they'd be here.
It's amusing you people think you are "good".
EDIT: Although I'm not surprised in a world with Trump and May that you idiots think you can be judge, jury and executioner. We're all just animals aren't we? We're all just as disgusting as this asshole.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:13:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can you make a comment like this just moments before making this one? This thread is full of people fantasizing about killing the guy and you attack the voice of reason?
It's a very defensible comment. If she killed the boyfriend, it would be a sad situation all around but don't call it justice. Due process even for the most heinous of acts is what we should strive for. I recognize like everyone else that attacking the guy was the only option given the situation but, unlike everyone else, I'm not happy. Not a single person in that situation "wins". It's a paradox catch-22, the rapist deserves due process even for his terrible crime, to be tried in court, and sentenced but because of the practicality of the situation it's impossible. It's not Mom's job to be the executioner and yet you can't blame her for it because there was no other way out in this situation. But nobody should be happy for the person who has to kill in self-defence.
Also, yeah, Mom didn't kill him, just stabbed him a lot. I'm playing out the scenario as many here wished it happened. Justice will be served in reality when the rapist is tried and convicted.
This is third party self defense, an affirmative defense against murder. What this woman did is not seen as "wrong" in the eye of the law (assuming the facts as reported are accurate).
What is the appropriate response to walking in and seeing your child being molested? Allow him to continue the molestation, or to fight him off of her?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely to trump his act by going straight for murder, a knife isn't even a good defensive weapon and she was more likely to get her and her daughter killed.
Yeah, I'm wondering why she didn't whip out her riot shield /s
Seriously? What weapon should she use in the one second she has to act while a man is actively raping her daughter? Maybe she should go downstairs and find the perfect blunt object she can locate. Or was she supposed to jump into it unarmed so it can be a "fair fight"?
Intentional Homicide in this circumstance is entirely legal and supported by our criminal justice system. She was acting well within her legal right.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:27:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this. It's not complicated. You call the police and tell the perpetrator you're calling the police. If you intervene you're just putting your daughter and yourself at further risk.
badmother ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people here like to think they are representatives of society.
In a weird way, they are.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:22:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty damn sad when the first reasonable comment I see is downvoted.
[deleted] ยท -65 points ยท Posted at 15:45:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As fucked as this whole situation is, murder is not the answer.
The death penalty is unconstitutional as a punishment for the rape of a child according to the supreme court. While I understand her actions, I still feel she should be prosecuted.
I agree with you on the death penatly, but I think you just missed half a step because the keyword here is not penalty, but defence.
The ethics of force in custody are very different than the ethics of force required to defend a child from assault.
If you assault a child, the civilian intervening does not have a moral compulsion to gauge minimum effective force. They are allowed effectively any tactic in order to render the attacker harmless. There is no expectation for them to put themselves or others at risk to minimize harm on the perpetrator.
That can be anything from extreme pain to permanent disability, to killing them. In the middle of a direct violent action, you forfeit your own right to bodily autonomy and life from your fellow civilians.
So you can say something like she should have killed him or hurt him more to make even more certain he was harmless to the child. He forfeited all protections normally afforded to himself.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:45:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, sounds good to me.
Fapiness ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:41:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it when an opinion is accepted because of a properly executed argument. Cheers for not arguing pointlessly.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And an upvote for you as well. Glad that went so well.
If she did it as a premeditated act of revenge I would agree with you, but since she caught him in the act I feel like it's a justifiable reaction. Was she just supposed to stand there while he raped her because murder is worse than rape? Also, she didn't murder him, he survived.
Ahh yes nothing like Reddit, so liberal where they don't want the death penalty in prison but they want all rapists and molesters instantly killed no matter what.
How old are you? Serious question... you seem to have a weird sense that the police and courts will make everything alright. Either you are child or have the naivety of a child.
Are we still doing the whole "women are as strong as men" bullshit?
Shit, even if they were both men, a fair fight could go either way. If my daughter being raped was at stake I'd do everything to tilt the favors my way, and that includes stabbing someone
You're acting like it's simple for a woman to stop a rape from occurring without the use of violence. She didn't kill him, she stabbed him with a pocketknife while he fought her and then called the police for help. She didn't slit his throat, she did what was necessary to subdue him. What would you have done, especially if the person was bigger and stronger than you? Let your kid get raped because you don't want to injure the person trying to rape them? You're either the ultimate pacifist or a rapist sympathizer.
That depends on the situation. Assaulting your girlfriend's kid in their home is a really bold move; I doubt it would be easy to talk him out of doing what he wanted to do.
Be realistic; the vast majority of woman are unable to overpower the vast majority of men without a weapon. If you're lucky enough to have a weapon on you, you're well within your rights to use it. If it's easy for a woman to stop a rape, why does anyone get raped?
Who says you have to walk out? You can stop it, take your daughter and walk out. Even if he comes and attacks you just run, get in your car, get in public.
I'm not Buddhist, not even really religious to be honest. I just don't like violence. Also why should I not have kids? That's my decision. And I doubt when I have them I'll let them get raped, or rape them.
When did I say I'd rather have a girl be raped then to stab someone? Of course if it was instantly detrimental and in a situation where I couldn't do anything else(he was beating my ass in a corner and about to kill me), would I ever think about pulling out a weapon on him/her.
Yes exactly, but I wouldn't just let people rape my daughter. As a matter of fact I probably wouldn't even ever have her in a situation like that. I'll raise her the same way my parents raised me, extreme caution and never letting me leave the property while I'm young.
Frankly, you are mentally ill and extremely abnormal if you would have any ability to remain calm when confronted with the rape of your child. I've never said this to anyone before but please don't reproduce. Please don't spread your mental disease.
It may be the opposite, I know mentally ill people(my brother) who would flip shit over it. So yeah have fun making fun of me for mental disease, maybe it is a family thing, my brother has so many problems after all!
I didn't say all mentally ill people are devoid of emotions. I specifically said that there's something seriously wrong with you. You can try to make it into a bigger thing against everyone, but it's not. You are what I'm talking about. There is something wrong with you. Specifically. Good luck with that.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:00:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you figure? Killing a criminal in defense of an innocent person, especially when that person is caught in commission of a crime, is morally and legally justifiable and even good.
If I had the choice to kill somebody or just hit them in a place to injure them, and not cause permanent damage, the only time I'd even try to kill someone is if I had somebody putting me in immediate danger with a weapon against me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you say that now. The goal is to stop the threat, if they die it's on them.
Yes stop a threat without the possibility of killing this is my goal.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's your choice. Self defense is a natural human right, and that includes deadly force. Innocent lives take priority of those who would do harm and that's the bottom line.
Every day on this site, I see folks spouting off whatever folksy bits of "fundamental truth" that they think is completely unassailable. I would love to see you try to defend "self defense" as a "natural human right". Hell, to even define those terms.
ADHDavid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I could see it argued as a basic human 'instict': most people have that fight-or-flight instinct in them. As a right, I'm not so sure. Does an inmate have the right to defend himself during a lethal injection?
In this case, I believe the woman was justified in her action, however, not all the facts are present at the moment, so we'll have to wait and see on the updates. I do see where you're coming from, however, so I apologize as coming off as initially coarse.
Look at some seemingly innocent people, Jesus, God, how many have been killed over religion? Innocent people have killed millions.
ADHDavid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:44:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man is not dead. He was stabbed multiple times and the sexual assault was thwarted. She was defending her daughter's life and had a moral obligation to fend off the attacker in any way she could. She most likely was not strong enough to pull him off her, so she acted with a different kind of force. If the events described are the fact, then this woman did the right thing.
If you're trying to play devil's advocate here, criticizing people for defending their life/bodies or other's life/bodies is ultimately pointless.
She only used a pocket knife, she should be able to defend her child in her own home with it
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you still have the right to defend yourself or another.
Mrka12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant kendrick lyric
"I can't sugarcoat the answer for you, this is how I feel:
If somebody kill my son, that mean somebody gettin' killed."
Tell me what you do for love, loyalty, and passion of
All the memories collected, moments you could never touch
No this wasn't murder, but rape can scar people for life especially at a young age. I doubt I would be able to stop myself from something drastic if I walked in on my child being raped.
Longhornt ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:22:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What in the fuck is wrong with you?
[deleted] ยท -65 points ยท Posted at 17:19:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. Liberals are fine with kids being stabbed to death in the womb, so no doubt liberals are cool with murder.
Biodeus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm this, you're that. You're not what I am so I hate you. Get over yourself and stop generalizing. People are too different and plentiful to go into just a couple categories. For the record, before you cry "LIBERAL", I don't label myself as anything.
The entire reason Republican won is because a certain group was convinced to FEEL threatened by a group that is not even 5% of the population of US.
I am neither a liberal or conservative. Most people in US are not retarded enough to blindly pick one side just cuz they FEEL like it. Blindly worshipping a political party or view is as unAmerican as it gets.
The entire reason Republican won is because a certain group was convinced to FEEL threatened by a group that is not even 5% of the population of US.
no, republicans won because hillary was a godawful candidate.
Blindly worshipping a political party or view is as unAmerican as it gets.
agreed
jereddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:44:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the way things like this often end up in court, I can't agree with this anymore. The system is flawed.
Also, I don't think the guy died.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, I agree with you, but I'm not even mad. If I was on the juryfor that prosecution, you best believe if nullify.
ADHDavid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was protecting her child with force, stabbing him to prevent him from assaulting her further. This is a legal act of defense, if the situation is described fully here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even better
_Shal_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are allowed to use violence if it means stopping a serious harm to them or others. An attack to stop it from happening is alright. She shouldn't be prosecuted from trying to stop this happening.
For example, if one guy is trying to murder a friend of yours then you'll probably attack the murderer before he kills your friend if you can. Maybe you can do it without getting that person killed, but that could not be the case. Would you rather your friend die with the murderer living or the other way around? Obviously you'd side with the friend.
Also, having the potential of actually being killed when doing a serious crime like murder or sexual assault/rape can help be a deterrent to making some of those sick people back away. Of course there is prosecution and jail time as well to demotivate them, but they feel like they would just need to not be caught by the police then or to just not leave evidence. Self defense will also makes the victim a threat to the criminal.
I don't think the mother should be punished, I think it's a VERY natural reaction and she shouldn't be blamed for her action in response to witnessing that horrible deed. I do agree that in an ideal world the dude should have been stopped and rehabilitated or locked up (obviously easier said than done).
ADHDavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was she supposed to do? Let the sexual assault continue? She was legally in the right in stabbing that man if she caught him sexually assaulting her daughter.
I'm against the death penalty in all cases, but if I saw someone assaulting my child, I'd stab them too.
tiktock34 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:11:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only she had a gun we'd probably have this POS removed from the gene pool instead of someone having to pay his medical bills and future incarceration costs. Zero tolerance for child abuse. Removal from the gene pool is the only acceptable solution as far as I'm concerned for people who have a predisposition to sexually abused children. They can't be cured. Period.
badmother ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
predisposition
So, is that his fault, or just the way he was born? Should he be fixed or punished? I'd say he should have come forward for treatment long ago, but society (just read the top comments here) will not accept this as an ailment that can be sympathetically treated. Therefore, so long as this ironic status exists, there will always be child molesters because there is nowhere they can turn for help before they act. You can be sure they know they have the predisposition to do so, and you can also be sure they don't believe there is any help.
FYI, in the UK, there is a completely anonymous service called Stop it Now. if you are in the UK and feel attraction towards pre-legal people, please do visit their website or call them on 0808 1000 900. They will not judge. They will help you.
Not just contact offending, but internet offending too. Even just one image forensically recovered can end you up in prison. Get help before the police knock on your door. Please.
tiktock34 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not their fault to be wired that way just as its not the BTK killers fault he was born a sociopathic murderer. Treat them no different than anyone else with a mental illness that results in them being a threat to others.
All you guys are saying he needed to be stabbed. What he was doing was indeed a terrible thing, but I don't think peaceful outcomes were unavoidable. She could have called the cops and then confronted him.
That said, I don't know if he's violent otherwise and would have attacked her if she tried to do it peacefully. Just saying, killing people should be a last resort.
FrankStag ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:46:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child rape is violent. There was already a violent outcome.
You're right. Idunno, I guess I just think less violence is better. I completely understand why she did what she did, though.
tytbalt ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:52:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you were being raped, and your friend/parent walked in and saw what was happening, you would have wanted them to say, "Hold on one moment," walk away and call the cops? Meanwhile, you're continuing to get raped?? That would have been "the right" thing to do?
You might want to change it to "Littlefingered", not "little fingered" so it sounds less like you're also a creepy paedo and more like the bad Game of Thrones reference you intended.
Unless it's supposed to be both, in which case I'll just be slowly backing up from this comments section, with my arms out to the sides to prevent my nephew getting any closer.
badmother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe he was saying he would have cum quicker if she had?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking pedophiles these days, fuck that dude. I don't think repeated stabs is reasonable, probably pulling out a gun, telling him to get off, and calling the cops. Life in jail hopefully or death penalty.
No shooting him would be the reasonable thing to do and would be 100% justified under the law.
HHHikari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao you guys are fucking insane, do you have a though process like at all before saying stuff like this? You kill people just like that? Is it a joke?
The only joke is that you think someone who rapes a child is deserving of anything but death. In the United States it is considered legally justifiable to use lethal force against someone committing a sexual assault. Some people deserve to die and if you don't believe that you live in fantasy land.
Common excusing conditions [for justifiable homicide]
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2: Most countries agree that it is lawful for a citizen to repel violence with violence to protect his or her own or another's life and limb, or to prevent sexual assault.
EDIT: Also, from the same article,
A homicide may be considered justified if it is done to prevent a very serious crime, such as rape, armed robbery, manslaughter or murder.
if youre seconds away from killing someone its attempted murder, if youre seconds away from raping someone its attempted rape/sexual assault
not really that complicated you mongoloids
jetcoff ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:13:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even know what a Mongoloid is, honey? Go back to voat. And who cares about the law. He was intent on raping a child, the legality of his crime doesn't change that.
whenever someone calls me honey i immediately imagine some obese sterile pink haired woman. So you agree he didnt rape anyone but was intent on raping someone. what do you have your panties in a twist for about what i said exactly? Do factual statements bother you that much?
jetcoff ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why exactly did you feel the need to point this out? I mean, it was incredibly obvious. I can stop calling you honey if it triggers you, honey.
I don't think non-offending pedophiles have done anything to deserve any punishment.
Astaauand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think indulging in child pornography should carry a costly punishment.
Pedophiles who are just sad and try to suppress their disgusting attractions are just fine though.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suppression actually leads to greater offense rates by the way. It's a complicated issue, I definitely don't support child pornography, but I also realllly don't want them acting on their urges...
I know that, but it really amazes me how people can go from 0 to completely blood thirsty seemingly at the drop of a hat. We're supposed to be better than this
Astaauand ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
weirdly enough, I am more concerned about the guy raping a little girl then some anonymous edgelord saying something crude out of anger that they will probably never act on.
Giving them probation, putting them through "rehabilitation" and little to no jail time is coddling. They always re-offend, that has been proven. Why the hell would I want to become a lawyer? The other thing that strikes me here is how my comment received so much negativity, but all the comments about using a bigger knife are okay. Is the issue just the manner of death that bothers you, or the fact that so many of us want to see them die. At least the manner I suggested could deter future offenders, killing them in private seems like it would just be kept private.
Let me ask you, if you came home and found someone raping your daughter, what would you do? How would you feel if the court let him off with probation? If your daughter had nightmares every night and was terrified, depressed and suicidal over this, would you still think killing that person was wrong?
Lol, I'm not gonna murder some random bystander to stop a rape
"Now that I have your attention"
Maggie_A ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:29:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is like the woman who misappropriated government money to buy her dog a mini-tuxedo. Yes, it is technically illegal but I can't actually get all that upset about it.
No, it's not even technically illegal to use force to defend another person being assaulted.
It's a justified use of force.
Do you think that if you see your 12 year old daughter being raped, the law requires that you call 9-1-1 and just wait for them to show up and you aren't allowed to use force to stop the rape?
In some ways. Ohio has pretty good self defense laws though and most states allow for lethal force to stop a sexual assault.
Maggie_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not this one, no, not really.
I don't know about other countries, but here in the US if you see a child being raped by an adult, you're legally safe to use force to stop the rapist.
I recall a case not too long ago where the father beat the rapist to death.
Ok, I think that in Sweden you are only allowed to apply the same force as your attacker, at least in self defense situations, which I've always thought is weird. In a life and death situation a law book would be the furthest thing from my mind.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leave the gorilla out of this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, there are people that really are that helpless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reasonable force, and no, she wasn't defending her. Read the article:
A Cleveland woman repeatedly stabbed her boyfriend in a fit of rage
That's not defense, that's aggression. The way it sounds, he probably would've stopped just from realizing he was caught. This was excessive use of force.
Maggie_A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course she was angry.
That's a normal reaction to seeing your 12 year old daughter being raped.
Still a justified use of force.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While understandable, anger is not justification for use of any and all force. I very much doubt he continued assaulting the daughter after the first stab, and yet she continued to stab him 5 more times. That is excessive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God reddit makes me sick cheering for the stabbing of a mentally ill man. So many are saying she should have stabbed him dead, disgusting. He needs to be behind bars where hell receive psychological treatment
First of all you have to be an idiot if you think the American prison system offers adequate psychiatric treatment to anyone and secondly this man is not mentally ill by any legal or accepted psychiatric definition. In order to be not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity one must be incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong and he clearly knew what he was doing was wrong. Take your nambla rape apologist bullshit somewhere else, this man is incapable of being anything other than a threat to society. The most humane thing to do for a rabid dog is put it down.
No father is involved in this story. Just a boyfriend, it's in the post title.
mattb1052 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserved it completely and I completely understand why she did it but it wasn't her place to do that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:38:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was physically in the act of violently raping her daughter, she had the legal right to defend her and her daughter. Capital felonies change things quite a bit.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What should she have done? Politely wait for him to finish raping her child?
if all the roles were reversed 90% of reddit would want to high five the kid and would start a witch hunt for the stabber.
Wdf1987 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really like that mom for saving her daughter, but can't help but wonder why she was dating a man like that. Not saying it's her fault, just maybe choose your partner better next time. I guarantee the guy wasn't a saint, and she knew that.
coops678 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:36:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child abusers can be anything from totally obvious to completely unexpected. You are likely pigeon holing the man from this story into an image in your head that could be incredibly far from the truth.
For example, a neighbour where I grew up lived with his wife and two daughters. Really nice guy. Not in an overbearing way, just friendly, helpful, seemingly normal. One day his wife discovered images of naked children on his laptop. She reported it to the police and the police found thousands of naked images of minors on his device. He was sent to jail, everyone was shocked because there was nothing about him that suggested he was a child abuser.
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok? Like I said, we'll see how this guy is once more information is released
The boyfriend deserves to never see the light of day again while living the rest of his days inside a tiny jail cell.
However, two wrongs don't make a right and I would no more want a woman, who thinks its ok to stab a man multiple times, living next to me than i would a pedophile.
Call the cops, run outside with your daughter, go get a neighbor to help. All the of these things were reasonable, trying to stab a man to death is a dangerous and unbalanced reaction. The real loser in all of this is the daughter. I hope she gets the help she needs.
Fuck that, someone's sexually assaulting your young daughter and you would just run away? Not me. The fucker would have his own little safe room, with tv and all the snacks he wants in prison, might as well fuck him up first.
As a man, of course i would physically remove the other man off of my daughter and beat the shit out of him(Not stab him nearly to death. The other men in prison will likely take care of that anyways).
Realistically a woman has little chance of physically beating the crap out of man. Her better options are to call the police, or get help.
Well, he certainly wasn't a Muslim...that girl is too old!
Execute that filthy SOB regardless!!!!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones foreplay is getting out of hand.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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atuarre ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:17:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a 12yo could give consent. I think it should be rape and indecent behavior with a juvenile, and whatever else they can throw at him. He should definitely the up on the registry for life but I hope they find a way to put him in prison for the rest of his miserable life.
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:15:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex with a minor of any age when the other party is of legal age is always rape regardless of "consent". Specifically statutory rape or child molestation. Any type of "consent", real or imagined, is always nullified by the lack of legal capacity of the minor. It is always a crime for a person of legal age to sleep with a minor. It is correctly classified as rape, sexual abuse, or molestation from a legal (and arguably moral standpoint too). Always.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exception to the always: Romeo and Juliet states
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So very darkly true...
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that scenario is the rape always followed by death to all?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex with a minor of any age when the other party is of legal age is always rape regardless of "consent"
This was the sentence I was replying to, which, is patently false. Romeo and Juliet states have laws on the books allowing for minors of a certain age to engage in sexual relations with adults below a certain age. In my state, a 16 yo and a 24 yo having a relationship is not statutory rape.
But 16/17 with a 25+ year old is.
Hence why that statement is false in it's present form.
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:02 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems the issue lies within the use of the word minor in that case which I accept would be classified differently throughout the US. In the country where I live the nationwide legal age for sex is 16 so there is no grey area in regards to who is classified as a minor (i.e. under 16) in regards to sex in the lead up to ages 18/21 and full legal responsibility. I sense I am arguing past the point though as my reply was addressing a comment that is now deleted and the child in the original story is 12.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the part where she's twelve?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was a stabbing which occurred in defense of a child and a moment of intense emotional distress. She'll likely walk, at most I see her getting some counseling and a few years if she has some people like yourself on the jury, but she didn't plan the murder and did what any parent worth a damn would do, so she's not going to be in prison long even if she is sentenced.
FrankStag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not dead unfortunately.
Stornila ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's insane thinking. Everyone should be given a chance to change.
FrankStag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well meaning idiocy. If he fails to change another child gets raped.
Stornila ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because police keep track of the felon after they're released to see if they commit more crimes. (Also there was no child rape)
FrankStag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that always works right? Nah, mum deserves a medal.
Stornila ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, she does not deserve a medal at all. She deserves at least a few years behind bars.
FrankStag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For saving her child from a paedophile? Alright mate whatever.
Stornila ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing the "paedophile" was not nessecary for saving thw child
FrankStag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. The pocket knife was a necessary force multiplier considering the man took 12 stab wounds and still kicked their door in when forced out.
Stornila ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're right
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:42:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a father I disagree with your statement. I would fucking murder and destroy worlds if anyone hurts my daughter. Specially rape, I don't care you it is I will destroy them.
The term 'a fit of rage' implies that this woman was acting irrationally. Her daughter was in the process of being raped and the news reported it as though she were a jealous girlfriend, not a mother protecting her child. What that mom did was heroic- how the news initially reported it was disgraceful. Notice- no mention of her 'rage' in the second article where he was charged with rape.
The man 'defended' himself saying that the CHILD was interested in HIM sexually and the mother was 'jealous'.
larrinski ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:51:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After reading the article, the first thing I thought was Woah, I'd hate to be their neighbour. Then, I thought it could be either story. Him being the rapist, or her being a crazy too. Then again, I had my ex call the police 11 times claiming I was abusing her when we didn't live together and I wanted nothing to do with her. 9 years later she is still trying to say I abused her as an argument in court that she wants child support even though our kid lives full time with me.
GhostBond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? How dare you suggest that any woman making accusations was not 100% honest. This is a fine upstanding woman and I can't believe that she might go nuts attacking someone then make an outrageous claim about what happened afterwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSFBtuwSs4
She has a laaaw degree! He needs to leave! Not ask for a refund for his haircut!
The accusation is very serious, but the witch hunt mob mentality that a claim was made so that's what happened is very disturbing.
I commented below, but this story seems suspect to me. The mom's story Is all over the place.
larrinski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that the 12 year old is ok, and that there is either evidence to back this serious allegation; or the mom is then charged for assault. Poor kid should be removed from that house either way!
GhostBond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's hard to tell if the mom's story is all over the place, or if this is the usual "media writes 90% narrative that kinda fits the facts, 10% actual story" thing.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sho_nuff_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the story?
mouseno4 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:22:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am ashamed of today's society who would call this "justice".
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jadwy916 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... I was molested, those fuckers are tricky as fuck. They've been doing it longer than people think. It's like a sickness they've had since they were younger themselves, and now they've mastered it. That's why a lot of them get away with it in the court system claiming false accusation. They're tricky. That's why you have to stab them to death immediately when you catch them in action. If you give them time to blame the kid, the kid they've already convinced that the kid want's what the molester is doing, it's too late. The kid will admit nothing wrong happened (as I did) and the molester if free to go. If I ever saw mine, I'd stab him too.
Hmm, I suppose I've never been in the terrible situation so I guess you might be right.. :/
Junfoo ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 15:59:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to be THAT guy, but maybe the girlfriend was just jealous about the daughter liking him and in an argument attacked him, and made all this stuff up... These reports are still under investigation.. I AM BY NO MEANS SAYING I CONDONE SEXUAL ASSAULT. IF THIS GUY IS GUILTY OF THESE HEINOUS ACTS HE NEEDS TO ROT IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS MISERABLE LIFE.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:40:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? The daughter also gave a statement that differed but still supported the fact that he was sexually abusing a minor.
Junfoo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the article. But I'm also aware of false claims like this happening, and parents pressuring their kids to lie.. and also that fake news is prevalent in our society right now... all's I was trying to say is let's reserve judgement and not jump to any conclusions
crashcap ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:49:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You read a headline about a man raping a child, first thing you do is defend him, cant even bother to read the article first?
Junfoo ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:56:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the article. But I'm also aware of false claims like this happening, and parents pressuring their kids to lie.. and also that fake news is prevalent in our society right now... all's I was trying to say is let's reserve judgement and not jump to any conclusions
crashcap ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You jumped into conclusions on your own m, shifting the guilty in the op
Junfoo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not placing blame on anyone. In these here United States everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Unsubstantiated claims and sensationalist headlines aren't what determine who's a dirt bag. Guy most likely IS guilty AND a dirt bag. I'm just trying to keep a level head here
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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crashcap ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow rape and dv arent treated the same as other crimes. People ALWAYS come and try do discredit the victims. I remember we getting beaten up as a kid and when the police came the guy said "Its just family stuff. And nobody just beats their family for no reason"
If this piece was "women finds man robbing her house, stabs him 5 times" no way in HELL people would be defending this guy the way they are here
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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crashcap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you hate to be "that guy", you could always just not be "that guy"...
Junfoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has to be that guy tho... Besides, I'm bored today and am quite enjoying the internet arguments lol
Ghaarial ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:15:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's a twelve year old child, you sick fuck.
Junfoo ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:28:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a good day to you too
Ghaarial ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:30:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to indulge the bullshit notion that you're entitled to any sort of polite tone.
Junfoo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:49:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here to discuss. You're obviously not. So I'm not going to waste my time on you.
Ghaarial ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not here to discuss. You're here to spread conspiracy theories and try to discredit a child victim's statement and her mother for defending her. You are cancer.
Junfoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not discrediting anyone! I've seen firsthand within my own family what damage and irreparable harm sexual assault causes, and I've also seen firsthand in extended family what destruction false claims of sexual assault do to a someones reputation and future employability. THE ONLY ARGUMENT IM MAKING IS THAT WE SHOULD WAIT FOR ALL THE FACTS
jetcoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I clicked hoping the top comment was about how this poor 12 year old has been affected by two incredible traumas now instead of just the heartbreaking first one. Instead I found mostly malice for the rapist and justifications of murder. You're not wrong, Reddit. You're just an asshole.
There should be. I'm a parent. I'd probably do the same thing. But that the first ten comments were hate for the rapist rather than compassion for the 12 year old struck me as pretty fucked up.
Besides the guy not being stabbed enough, am I the only person wondering why a woman walks around with a pocket knife in her home? I've never met or dated a woman that carries a knife. I carry a pocket knife when I go out, but I don't carry it around with me when I'm home. Just seems odd to me.
Eh, ya know, I knew a woman who crocheted "gun socks" for keeping her rifles in.
Different strokes for different folks.
Rabiddd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she just came home and still had her jeans on or something so it was perfect timing
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just not right no matter who does it. Ever.
JenWrath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He clearly has mental problems. I mean, yeah he shouldn't get a free pass but if he somehow isn't getting life in prison(since the judgements in these cases are often messed up), I hope he gets mental treatment. The guy is clearly going to do it again if he isn't rehabilitated....or killed. I'd be fine with either.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world is insane. This was the reason why my mum dated one guy in the 20 years after she had kids. She dated this guy for less than three months and I remember being left in a room alone with him once. She ended it after he had bought my sister and I a present each (not sure if it was for an occasion or not) and she broke up with him for it. She was so scared about someone taking advantage of her situation to the point that now that she has two grown children she can't really date because she hasn't for 20 years and doesn't know how.
I feel so much for people who don't have parents that care for their kids this much. I feel so much for this mother and her daughter.
Nope sorry they don't. I'm talking real time life and death situations. Blood guts and shit flying everywhere. Literally. And depending on the venue they're actually doing more than the doctors for less money.
Not sure where you can be a registered nurse in a two year program. In Canada it's a four year program just to get in the door, plus additional training for specialties.
alii-b ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that all the info? Bit harsh that he was found naked on top of the clothed child.
Oh hang on...
Is it true these scumbags are screwed in jail? Are there any comforting stories?
kabhaal87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, even theives, murderers, and gangbangers have "standards". Once the prisoners find out someones in for a crime against a child is usually either solitaty for their own safety or they wind up on the receivimg end of underworld "justice"
Can we give the man a little real world experiences. Like a shank in the gut whilst in prison.
Allenba77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be mad if she cut the guy's head off and put it on a stake in the yard with a sign that says "Pedophile was caught raping a 12 year old who was his daughter".
"The man told prosecutors he was trying to save the girl from a fly"
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:07:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:26:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would absolutely, without hesitation, stab the motherfucking life out of someone for sexually assaulting any of my children. If you sexually assault children, you have forfeited your humanity. If you sexually assault my children, you have forfeited your life. No questions asked. I would feel worse about euthanizing (sp) my dog in his old age.
Have an upvote.
blaZedmr ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:39:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if, in a hypothetical situation, it was your 12 year old son you found on your 3 year old daughter. Or your 3 year old daughter told you out of the blue one day, brother made me put his penis in my mouth and lick, would violence against the 12 year old boy be understandable?
Then offer something other than a choice that illuminates nothing.
firakasha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem here is that you're trying to compare a child who doesn't fully understand their actions or their sexuality to a grown-ass man who has zero excuses for climbing up on a 12 year old.
The situation you present is super complicated, but the one here in this article is not.
I do not condone what he did at all. Sick!!! But if the genders were reversed (30-40 something year old woman on top of her boyfriend's 12 year old son), wanna bet that every single guy on here would say "wow he's so lucky!" ? Or still be blaming the male? Why does it seem like men are always the monsters no matter what? like I said, I think what he did is sick.
Yeah I think even with roles reversed, I approve of stabbing
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anybody would blame the 12 year old in that situation - young girls are more likely to be blamed for "leading on" their rapists than young boys are.
However, you're right, many people would try to brush it off as "every boy's dream!" instead of treating it seriously.
Yeah I think that's really dumb. Bothers me a lot how whenever that happens, nobody really bats an eye and people high five the boy but switch the genders and those same people want the guy to be castrated. I really don't understand people sometimes.
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:57:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, people usually say 'lucky kid' when it's a super attractive school teacher sleeping with their teenage boy students. If some step mother was molesting the boy, in his bedroom, it would definitely be frowned upon. It might sound weird but they're very different situations.
99.9999% of mental health professionals, MD's, legislators, youth workers and members of the general public insist that person's under the age of 16 are unable to supply consent- 00.0001% insist that they are.
Like the man said-"you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's okay to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference in vigilante justice and stopping a sexual assault that could have easily turned into him assaulting her or continuing what he was doing. Vigilante justice would be going after him hours or days after the crime.
Am I the only one that sees red flags in the moms account of this?
There's something weird underlying this whole story.
I'm NOT defending the dude, I loathe child abusers but something about this doesn't add up.
Victim of attempted rape, closely followed up by being right in the middle of an attempted murder.
Mom's undoubtedly the hero, but I think she could have spared a thought for her daughter having to witness a stabbing up close.
slider2k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did she do that in front of a child, though? I'm not defending the guy, but seeing your mother repeatedly stabbing another person with a knife could be very damaging to the child mental health too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no you are right.. she should have let the dude stick his dick inside the child.. that would have been a better mental picture for the kid to remember forever
slider2k ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:13:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure repeated stabbing isn't the only (or the best) way to stop a child rape. Reading comments it appears that mother was so mad she even lacerated her own daughter with the knife.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're right.. the better way would have been 00 buck to the back of the head with a shiny new shotgun
Cryptic99 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feed his neck to isis
Celdra ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a murder but not a loss.
Lyianx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did you read? He didnt die. She only used a pocket knife so he really wasnt that badly injured as he could have been.
Celdra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:52 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did not. Just had Cellblock tango in my head.
Lyianx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This feels sugar coated to favor the women, but, if completely true, then id say, justified.
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:41:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it weren't sugar coated or biased then what is the alternative?
Lyianx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:23:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just giving the facts of the events, not holding back information to make it more dramatic or making one side look better than the other.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
making one side look better than the other
One side being a twelve-year-old girl and the other side being the man raping her? Yeah, I'd say one side is better than the other.
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, you're taking this story at face value. All you have to go on, is what is written. News outlets love to rile people up, and its clearly working on you.
You are ignoring the fact that what you just said by itself is wrong.. im not saying otherwise (despite your implication). All im saying is, one news source, telling one side of the story, isnt enough for me to get out my pitch fork any more. Too many news outlets have lied or withheld information Just to encourage that response.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See my other reply to you.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what way? What imaginary scenario have you cooked up where a child victim of rape and the mother defending her are in the wrong and the rapist is unfairly maligned?
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How its written now? none... but dont pretend news outlets dont sensationalize their stories to pull in viewers or get people to side one way or the other. Political stories are PRIME example of that and even more so, in sexual crimes, the majority of the time the male is always suspect first, before any females.
Don't get me wrong (which you clearly did already), how its written and told by them, makes the guy look super bad, and there is credit in that hes not responding, but there have been stories in the past that one side looked very bad, until later evidence shifted the blame.
That's why i say, if everything written is the FULL truth, and they are not hiding anything for the sake of shock value and views, then yea, the guy got less than he deserved.
I've just become very skeptical of seemingly one sided stories until i hear both sides.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me an example from your post history where you're expressing this level of skepticism about a case that isn't a man raping or sexually assaulting a girl or woman.
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. It appears that in your case you just don't trust the cops to do their job properly or the media to report it fairly. My apologies - reddit's overall agenda when it comes to sexual assault it weird and disturbing, and I made an assumption.
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given all ive seen reported on and in some cases, the backtracking they do, i really don't. Not at face value anyway.
My only agenda when it comes to sexual assault is that they better be dam sure.. especially when crap like this happens.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion: The only innocent one is the girl. The mom let him get access to her daughter in the first place. He's a despicable monster that should be castrated in my opinion, but the mom invited this monster to her and her daughter's home. I know that nobody walks around with a sign saying "I am a molesting creep", but as a parent with a young girl, you better believe there will be some thorough vetting before I leave my daughter alone with someone.
I don't know anything about the guy except that he's a molesting predator. I don't know anything about the mom either, so yes, it's possible she was convincingly mislead for a long time. It's also possible that she was careless in securing her daughter's safety?
Oh go away. We don't know any of the details. There's no foolproof way to vet for something like that, and no one can realistically supervise their kid and partner 24/7.
You are correct. There's no 100% foolproof way. But just as there are women being convincingly lied to there are also situations with warning signals being ignored that put innocent children in harms way.
SeahawkTJ ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mother isn't lying and the daughter covering for her, then yes he should be castrated.
But If the mother is lying she needs to be locked up for attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and filing a false police report.
Y______ ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 15:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: primitive people. y'all stupid. the appropriate response was calling the police.
Yes, let's not become enraged when someone tries to rape your daughter. Let's be calm, call 911 and let him rape her while we wait for the police to arrive some 20-30 minutes later
Yeah dude, she totally should have just turned around and walked out the door to phone the police while this shit continued to rape her 12 year old daughter. What an asshole she is for coming to the defense of a child that was in immediate, physical danger /s
Everybody here thinks it's okay to stab someone repeatedly. Of course raping a your 12 year old daughter (or anyone) is goddamn atrocious, but I feel like the stabbing goes against what the judicial system is all about. Wouldn't a video and a call to the police have been better?
I'm not american so maybe I don't fully understand your defence culture.
Nomanorus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If my daughter were being raped, I'd do whatever I have to in order to save her. I'm not just going to watch someone rape her while waiting for the police. I'd call them, but I'd take action in the meantime.
HHHikari ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you better be ready for some reaction as well lmao.
Wouldn't hitting him over the head and allowing the daughter to escape work? She stabbed him 4 times in the chest and once in the back of his head, pretty sure he was done "attempting to touch her" after the first stab.
Nomanorus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know that. We have substantial scientific evidence that shows adtrenaline can allow people to ignore serious injury in order to achieve their goal is their emotions are strong enough. I would do whatever it takes to stop him and that includes not leaving anything to chance.
Yes but the judicial system is inept, impotent, incompetent, and ineffective. It's a game at best. And corrections? That's a joke. The government doesn't care about people, it cares about costs, and keeping people in prison costs a lot.
Since when should the mom's values, or anyone's really, align with the justice system? Personally, knowing the bullshit that idiots in government think is "justice" I'd have killed the fucker too.
So he can kill you first? I'm not sure if you're aware but a charge like that would ruin your life and if you're already the biggest piece of human scum, being violent isn't out of the question
Why did she have to stab him 5 times though, including once in the back of the head? I'm pretty sure 4 stabbings in his chest was probably enough to make him stop.
To kill the man raping your daughter, it's not really that far fetched to kill the dude ruining your daughters life
firakasha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hang on honey, I know it hurts and every second is another decade of emotional scarring but daddy's just gotta run back upstairs to grab his phone real quick. My thoughts and prayers are with you <3"
For your children's sake I hope you're never in this situation.
Oh for fucks sake. What a stupid comment. If you don't have a phone don't take a video. All I'm saying is she was far more violent than she needed to be and now she'll end up in jail and her daughter will have no parents.
firakasha ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she should have just slapped him and then hoped he quit and didn't seriously injure and/or kill herself or her daughter? Because we all know that child rapists are the most sane, understanding group of people and you can just talk them down.
Why are you trying so hard to defend a child rapist here?
I said I'm not defending him. I'm just against the wife's reaction. That's very different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're retarded pal. What kind of reaction is she supposed to have? You are one of those idiots who lives in a fairytale world where only magically perfect solutions exist, and all you can do is criticize real solutions. WHAT SHOULD SHE HAVE DONE? If you cannot offer an alternative then you are just mentally masturbating and are delusional.
jejeba86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not american so maybe I don't fully understand your defence culture.
I'm pretty sure that's not the problem.
And I bet you are not a father, and that's why you don't understand.
A man is raping your daughter, do you really expect something other then exploding rage?
She called police saying that "her boyfriend tried touching her daughter and she stabbed him," records say.
I agree that if somebody was raping my daughter I'd be very angry. However, he may not have raped her. What he did do is likely wrong, so don't think I'm on his side. However, stabbing him 5 times was probably excessive.
Oh my god are you seriously saying you should stop, pull out a camera and record evidence all while your daughter is being raped in front of you? There's no possible way you are that retarded.
TylerKSU ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:05:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pornhub's fault for suggesting incest related videos for the past few months.
Kodlaken ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:35:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously fucked in the head those two, makes sense how they were a couple. The man is a pedophile who wants to fuck his girlfriend's daughter, and the woman thinks it is perfectly fine to stab someone multiple times, from what I read there was no physical damage done before this crazy bitch stepped in with a knife.
How fucked in the head do you have to be to attack someone like that? It doesn't fucking matter what they are doing, it is never ok to physically hurt someone.
I am quite disgusted that everybody here thinks of this woman as a hero, I am not saying that this man doesn't deserve a life sentence in prison, but this woman should not have acted like that, two wrongs do not make a right.
If you don't feel a primal urge to fiercely protect your biological kids at all cost, you honestly kinda suck as a parent and maybe should think intensely on whether bringing a new life into the world that you're responsible for is a fit idea for you.
I have a primal urge to crash in to the fucker who cut me off in traffic. The man had a "primal urge" to reproduce with the biolgically adult 12 year old. You don't do it because you're not a fucking savage and we're trying to have a civilization here. Y'all mother fuckers need less Batman, more constitution.
Kodlaken ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said at any point that she shouldn't have those feelings, but acting on them is another thing entirely, if everybody was allowed to get away with any "primal urge" then what this man is doing would be legal. Just because someone is doing something that is wrong doesn't give you the right to do something that is also wrong to them to stop them from doing said wrong thing.
Yes because the only possible options in this scenario are to politley ask the man over a cup of tea to cease and desist or stab him 5 times in the back and head.
Wonderful critical thinking skills random redditor.
Kodlaken ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:10:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anybody is fucked in the head enough to continue to sexually assault someone's daughter right in front of them so her presence would be enough for him to stop what he was doing. But then you have the problem of what the man does now he has been caught, I don't think he was violent at any point though seeing as this woman was able to leave the room to get a knife and also call for help.
So from the information provided, she stumbled upon her boyfriend raping her daughter, he did not act violently towards either of them, she leaves to call for help and returns to the room with a knife to stab him, she seemingly had plenty of time to think about how fucked up that would be, but she does it anyway. It is one thing to attack someone for doing something so absolutely despicable in the heat of the moment, but she probably had at least a minute or two to think about how drastic that is so I don't buy the "primal urge" thing.
Sexual assault IS violence. That's why it's called assault.
Secondly, you must have missed this in the article:
"In a fit of rage, (she) grabbed her pocket knife and attacked him," the report says.
The pair struggled over the knife as they fought, the report says. The man grabbed the woman by the neck, threw her against the wall, and later kicked down the front door after she pushed him outside, the report says.
The woman and her daughter suffered lacerations to their hands during the struggle, the report says.
She had her pocket knife with her, he attempted to strangle her, and after she kicked him out of the house, he tried to force his way back in.
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault may be violence, but this man did not try to harm this little girl physically, at least not according to the article. The only harm done to the girl was caused by a knife the mother introduced into the situation. If the mother hadn't have taken out the knife the daughter and the mother would, probably, be totally unscathed and this man would be in prison.
He also did not provoke the woman, at least according to the article. As far as the article goes, she started the fight with him, and since there is no word against that from the man we can only say that is what happened, meaning the man wasn't doing anything to harm either of them, and she decides to start shit that didn't need to be started. Which in my eyes, makes her fucked in the head.
but this man did not try to harm this little girl physically
I can't fucking even...
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is it written in the article that the little girl was physically harmed by the man? The only harm I can see that she had taken was from the knife, which was after the rape, so he never physically harmed the girl. If you are going to express your inability to believe me then at least provide proof as to why I am wrong.
Kodlaken ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She wasn't hurt though so I don't see how that answers my question.
Ghaarial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Define "hurt" then? Can it be emotional or only physical? If it must be physical, does it have to last a certain duration? Last more than an hour? A day? A week? Does it have to result in chronic pain? Do we draw the "true" hurt line at pain that's more unpleasant than a paper cut, or is less okay? Must it leave a scar? Draw blood? Leave visible trauma? Does it have to be a bruise or will a red mark work? Why? Who the fuck are you to decide?
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:28:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say hurting someone would be making them experience pain, which as far as I am aware can only happen if your body is damaged physically. I am saying she wasn't hurt because the article doesn't mention anything about it, you would think she would tell the police if she was physically harmed wouldn't you? And it would then be mentioned in the article just as the lacerations were mentioned, if she was hurt during the rape then the woman is justified because there is a potential threat to her daughter's life currently in the room, and that should be removed. But if the man has just been caught raping her daughter, and then stops what he is doing, why is she allowed to attack him? If he has shown no intent to physically harm the girl then there is no reason to get violent with him. It is just unnecessary and wrong since there is no current threat to either of them, meaning there is no need to defend anybody.
Ghaarial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's allowed to attack him because United States law says you can use lethal force to defend yourself or another human being from an impending or active sexual assault. Being a naked adult man laying on top of a twelve year old child is showing intent to physically harm her. He was stabbed first in the back before he started violently strangling and attacking the mother, supporting the mother and child's story that she caught him in the act.
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"United States law says you can use lethal force to defend yourself or another human being from an impending or active sexual assault"
She may be legally allowed to attack him, but I don't believe there was a need to do that.
If you don't see how being sexually assaulted as a 12 year old child by an adult man constitutes being hurt, then there's nothing to be done for you because you're morally helpless. You are either supportive of pedophilia or a pedophile yourself and my only hope is the cops get to you before you have a chance to hurt anyone.
Don't think stabbing a child rapist really constitutes being fucked in the head
Kodlaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I do. Looking at it objectively, stabbing someone else is wrong, so stabbing a child rapist is wrong. Raping someone is wrong and so raping a child is wrong. So can you tell my why doing the former is right and the latter is wrong? The way I see it, doing bad things should be bad regardless of the victim. Apparently a lot of people disagree with that though, which confuses me. If I were to go into a prison and shoot every single inmate, I would be arrested and thrown in prison, for the same reason why this mother is fucked in the head, unprovoked violence is wrong.
Ghaarial ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to the law (and everyone except dipshits like you defending this violent rapist), stabbing someone else in defense of another person isn't wrong at all. Mother was 100% justified.
If I were to go into a prison and shoot every single inmate, I would be arrested and thrown in prison
Those inmates were not in the process of committing a crime. They were sentenced and serving their punishment. Shooting them would be retaliation. What the mother did is called defense.
unprovoked violence is wrong.
IT WASN'T UNPROVOKED AT ALL. HE WAS ACTIVELY TRYING TO COMMIT RAPE.
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the man did was wrong, what the woman did was defend her daughter from a man who was trying to do bad things to her, but stabbing someone is wrong in any situation, there are better ways to handle the situation, unless the man is violent first then the woman has no right to attack him with a knife, that is all I am saying. I am not saying that the man should have been let go or that the girl should toughen up because rape ain't no thang. I am saying that stabbing someone is wrong no matter why you are doing it. I am not saying that you should be able to suppress the urge to kill someone who has just raped your daughter, but it is the right thing to do.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is Rand?
Ghaarial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're seriously trying to draw moral equivalence between a violent child rapist and a mother defending her daughter from said violent child rapist?
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 23:31:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is a legitimate question, it's because a child is naive, easily coerced, and does not have the capacity to consent to something as serious as a sexual relationship. They lack the ability to comprehend the serious repercussions of such a relationship, including the possibility of disease, pregnancy, and emotional damage. The fact that an adult comprehends that a child is neither physically nor mentally capable of such a commitment and they pursue it anyway is repulsive, and reflects a pathological problem. It's like asking why people want to hurt people that torture puppies.
Because humans (and most living things) feel a biological imperative to protect children against predators that threaten them?
Veldora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe you even said that. When you see your children being molested are you just going to stand there and do nothing?? I would find a nearby object and stab the crap out of that pedo.
--who ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'd beat him, but not because he's a pedophile, but because he's probably stronger than me and I can't get him to stand down any other way while I call the police
northpaul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? They might be mentally ill and in some form pitiable but they destroy people's lives - children's lives. And then sometimes those poor children become attracted to children when they get older because of the trauma. The whole thing is awful and of course people hate those who are responsible. Even in prison with murderers and other criminals it is easy to see that absolutely no one has pity for pedophiles because what they do is just so reprehensible that any possibility of pitying then is nearly impossible.
I'm wondering the same. They're not stupid, bastards, cunts, or assholes. They're not evil incarnate. They're human beings messed up in the head and I believe they can change. The prevailing sentiment in these comments seems to be similar to that which enabled stoning as a form of capital punishment.
It may not have been necessary to stab the guy. We don't have the full details.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:20:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you would have done what? Asked him politely to please stop raping your child and sit quietly while the police came. Or just let him finish because he couldn't help himself? Mental illness is one thing but it doesn't justify rape would you allow someone to rape you or your child because they just need a little therapy?
Oh, what he did is definitely wrong and she should have done whatever necessary to stop him, but stabbing is a last resort and I'm not certain it was necessary in this case. Though, it's understandable when those emotions flow through you and I don't think she should be charged, but she should have an examination. Stabbing someone is pretty extreme no matter the situation. I can tell you I wouldn't have it in me to stab him.
I'm not defending pedophiles, just saying two wrongs don't make a right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see another way for her to stop him. But I appreciate your point of view
Wicck ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:59:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no, I'd call kiddie rape evil incarnate. Don't lay that kind of behavior on mental illness.
--who ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you elaborate? Also mental illness seems like a plausible cause for pedophilia but what makes you think otherwise?
Wicck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:04 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophilia is more likely a part of a personality disorder, which is not a mental illness. It's literally a malformed personality, more nurture than nature in most cases. Mental illness, OTOH, is due to one or more neurochemical imbalances, whether innate or due to some sort of brain damage (such as methylation of the brain's DNA in PTSD); they should technically be classed with conditions like Alzheimer's and ADD.
Most pedophiles have traits related to antisocial or narcissistic personality disorder. The two have a lot of crossover. They also get off on power and control. Things that many state are attractive about children are weakness, innocence, and vulnerability. This indicates a dangerously controlling and exceedingly narcissistic personality--think type A on steroids. This is not a factor in any mental illness I've seen that's not combined with a personality disorder.
In short, pedophiles aren't crazy. They're just complete bastards.
trevcagh ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 14:53:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that she was in a relationship and let a person with a mindset like that into her home shows a lack of judgment on her part.
A person capable of carrying out an act like that will definitly have tells in their character.
Not always. Not all pedophiles are strange acting neck-beards. Some of them look and act the most trust-worthy. You could literally have a sexual predator in your family and never know it.
trevcagh ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:22:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, im not saying they are strange. Getting intimate with anyone means hours of conversation and physical interaction. You should be able to tell a persons limits and moral or immoral boundaries base on what say or dont say, or do.
And I'm saying you can't always tell what kind of person someone truly is no matter how much time you spend with them. Like when someone has an affair for years and years and keeps it from their spouse.
trevcagh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean "You" can. You dont need to know exactly who someone is, just know that people are capable of anything, and people change. In short trust only people you have leverage on.
You're either really naive or completely dense. You can't tell someone is a sexual deviant and rapist a lot of the time, rape is often quite dependent on the fact
kasuchans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, people are very very good at hiding their horrible tendencies. My rapist is rather beloved in his fraternity.
trevcagh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are good at being fake. What I do is, I assume anyone I dont know shit about is capable of any and everything and whatever they claim to be could just be a mask.
If I had a daughter I would buy her one of those long, slippery-ass dildos.
ssundfor ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:46:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit hive mind is going crazy. If anything the stabbing is traumatic for the child and unless he was attacking her maybe even unnecessary, while of course she lost her mind, I wouldn't call it a good deed like some of you intend to say it is.
rkraft420 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:14:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ok so it is very evident that what this man did was fucked up and wrong, but is it really right to fucking throw this man into a wood chipper? I don't know, I don't feel like you should fight fire with fire. If someone does something horrible to you, you don't do something horrible in return, as you throw yourself down to near or on their level. The woman was right to stab the man as it stopped him from committing his delisuonal and horrendous act, anymore would have been unnecessary. This man should be apprehended from doing this awful shit in the future, but what he needs most is some serious therapy that devises why he did this act and find how he ended up deluding himself. Society won't improve if we be-rid ourselves of criminals by sending them to prison. Rather we should find what caused them to commit the crime so that we can prevent others who may potentialy commit similar crimes from ever doing them. What I'm trying to say is that our system of law is not working for a long term solution to remove crimes from happening in the first place and is instead applying short solutions (such as imprisonment) that are never going to stop these horrors from happening in the first place
Yeah, as someone who passionately advocates for rehabilitation before imprisonment, opposes the death penalty, and tries hard to see the good in people...... there's no rehab for molesters/rapists. Ever.
both mother and daughter had different account of what happened.
What if she was lying and she was just vengeful because she was angry at him for different reason? There has been many news where women even falsely accuse men of rape.
Since the daughter's account included sexual assault and the daughter underwent an examination for sexual assault, unless that examination comes back negative, that dude is going to jail for rape.
Eyewitnesses are notorious for getting it wrong. That's why forensics are so important to cases like this.
BUT what if he just got out of the shower and had a towel around him and then the towel fell off and he tripped over the towel and landed on his daughter?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:44:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're weird.
darthbone ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, being super goddamn pissed, and maybe even violent, is completely justified.
Whether or not STABBING was justified, I guess that comes down to a matter of (ill-informed) consent.
My adult SO is getting "consentually" freaky with my 12-yo child, that's definitely a paddlin.
My adult SO is RAPING my 12-yo child, that's a stabbin'.
Shemiki ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, in Canada the woman would've been charged and the man would've been let off scot-free, because bleedinghearts.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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acf6b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how is that? i have never thought about doing something, hear of someone else get stabbed multiple times for doing it and thought, damn i definitely have to do that now!
Rosebunse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have always been pedophiles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people with those kind of attractions don't try to hold a kid down and force themselves inside of them though.
Rosebunse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But some do. The thing is, if you are a pedophilia, don't put yourself in a position where you might not be able to control yourself. Don't date women with children, don't be around children, and understand your limitations.
That being said, this guy may have been closer to a sexual sadist than a true pedophile, so who knows?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who can physically force someone down and rape them is a sociopath, regardless of the age of victims they target. Also most of the time when actual violent rape is involved sexual attraction to the victim is less important than feelings of power. What I'm trying to say is, he may or may not even be a pedophile.
Rosebunse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, not all sociopaths are violent or pedophiles. Many of them aren't even bad people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All other shit aside, the guy definitely deserved to get stabbed.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only about .1% of parents would not have done the same. I don't even have biological children and I would have done the same damned thing to an adult who I found in this particular situation with a child.
Also, should've is a contraction of the phrase "should have." Should of is word salad. I'm sorry. It's just that it's nails on chalkboard to me. :(
How many downvotes can I collect for being a little disgusted that nearly all of the people in this thread are advocating for murder? "Sex is the worst thing you can do to someone! And they were 12, that's practically an infant!" My sister has been dating boys since she was 10. My partner keeps getting creepy flirty messages in a game by a girl that claims to be 13. Don't fucking tell me someone over the age of 10 is somehow incapable of romantic or sexual feelings.
I'm not defending the guy, I don't know what really happened. His actions are inappropriate, should be a registered sex offender, and should probably face jail time. But it's always bothered me that people's brains turn off if they hear "under 18" and anything sexual, and they instantly turn into fucking savages. "He was NAKED on her??? Fucking cut off his dick and claw out his eyes, feed him to animals" Christ.
People have finally come to accept that gay people are "born that way" and can't help their sexuality. Somehow it's still a death sentence to accidentally be born attracted to anyone under 18. By the way, here's some definitions for you guys since nobody seems to understand the words they are using:
"Pedophile" - Someone attracted to prepubescent children. This is not a crime. This doesn't make someone a rapist.
"Hebephile" someone attracted to pubescent (early adolescent) children, typically ages 11โ14. This is not a crime. This doesn't make someone a rapist.
But it's ok, clearly I'm probably the bad person. I'm probably a dirty pedophile. Or an Apologist. That's just as bad. What's wrong with me, do I HATE children?? Nah, I just think rationally, don't get overly emotional, and actually think things through before jumping to conclusions. I'm also of the controversial stance that there's no justifiable reason to stab someone to death.
you see your twelve year old daughter getting fucked by your boyfriend and don't see justification of stabbing the guy who is raping your 12 year old daughter, then good for you, you paragon of morality.
No, it's not. Do you know what these things are? A kink is like being into BDSM or being pissed on. (This is dealt with using a safe word, not deadly force.) Necrophilia is having sex with a dead body. These are not equatable and having nothing to do with being attracted to kids.
My advise is don't use "harder" as a safe word. Call it what you will. If in your concupiscence you force yourself upon another they can use deadly force for defense. At least here in America.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're looking at a situation in which a man raped a barely pubescent girl, and your reaction is that people shouldn't be so angry about it. What's wrong with you?
People have finally come to accept that gay people are "born that way" and can't help their sexuality.
Gay people are also not allowed to commit rape. This is a disgusting false equivalency and you should be ashamed of yourself.
badmother ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:56:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could at least have waited until she was 13, and past puberty...
Downvote all you like, but at least 5-10% of all men would, if they thought they could get away with it.
To be clear, I'd have murdered the fucker if I'd caught him on my child.
lilbisc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:57:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think we know YOU would.
Don't give yourself so much credit as to believe that 10% of men are as weird as you.
badmother ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100s of sources. I'm in the industry and know far more than you'd care to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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badmother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do girls magically become sexually attractive on the birthday where they reach the age of consent in whatever region you happen to be? Or is it some weirdo thing like once a girl is mature enough to breed, men find her attractive?
I'm really confused by modern day puritanical society. Biologically girls go through puberty around age 11. There is every possibility that this girl had already gone through puberty which means that for all intents and purposes she is biologically an adult. But because a laws says you can't have sex with a girl until she's 18 you all want to vilify people as disgusting because they are biologically attracted to adults of the same species. Makes no sense.
For the vast majority of human society and even in almost all non westernized countries today a girl who has gone through puberty is considered an adult who is capable of having sex and adult relationships.
On the other side of the spectrum, I work at a nursing home, taking care of the elderly. A month ago I was bathing one of the elderly female residents and when I tried to remove her nightgown to clean her, she grabbed onto it with one hand and covered her genitals with the other. I had worked with her for over a year and this was completely new behavior.
She has dementia, but is still able to communicate to a degree (understanding what she means is challenging but you can often learn someones language if you work with them long enough). She started yelling about "The man!" and "Get him away!"
I immediately stopped what I was doing and covered her back up. I tried asking her questions, but didn't receive any discernable responses. She just clutched her gown and covered herself with all of her might.
Then it occurred to me that one of the aides that worked on this assignment the night before was investigated a while back for "improper behavior" with a resident. Hey wasn't fired due to lack of evidence and witnesses, and my place being the complete shithole it is "fixed" the problem by moving him to a different floor. I asked the woman about the guy and she immediately reacted with "GET HIM AWAY!"
I left the room to report everything to my supervisor when I see the guy standing at the front desk shooting the shit with a nurse. My adrenaline and anger took over and I walked right up to him. Heart pounding, I said "Room 231A is in there scared to death and yelling about some man like she was attacked! Know anything about that??!" He jumped up, got into a defensive posture like he was either going to hit me or scream at me, and said "Reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight. No immunities apply."
__KODY__ ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give her the fuckin' key to the city.
Edit: Oh, I see there are supporters of child molestation in here. ๐
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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javi404 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm missing the connection with "broken home" and this fear of all males you have.
Jesus you people are vengeful, judgemental and emotional as hell. If you think assault begets repeated potentially fatal stabbing you have something off.
Skavis ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why is this on the front page?... not sure I'll stick around Reddit too much longer if all you people only love (sorry, I mean upvote) the most twisted stuff that certainly does not need to be seen or read.
This will either get buried or downvoted, but I believe that this woman had no right to stab this man. Yes, he deserves severe punishment, but it is not her place to mete out said punishment as she sees fit. The United States has a working justice system to handle such a situation. Do I sympathize with the rapist? No. He's a terrible person. But do I think she acted correctly by stabbing him? No, I do not.
Um, she caught him in the act, and from the sound of the report was stopping him from continuing to rape her child. Her child was in immediate danger and she did what any decent human being would do to stop it. She didn't find out about after the fact and go hunt the guy down.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are also laws providing for the defense of another, as well as temporary insanity defense. Your actions against someone raping your kid would surely fall into these categories, providing that is what actually happened.,
pctech86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you supposed to do if somebody is physically assaulting your child? Stand by and say "get off her mister I'm calling the cops!" so he can get her pregnant by the time the police show up? You realize that you have a right to protect your family and your property right?
This wasn't her punishing him as much as it was getting him to stop, as will be seen by the jury, if she even is charged (which she undoubtedly will not be)
I've posted this in reply to another comment on my original comment as well.
In Ohio, defense can only be claimed if the defender has
a bona fide belief that [she, or in this case, her daughter] was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that [her] only means of escape from such danger was in the use of such force, Marts v. State (1875)
I believe that stabbing him five times in his body and once in the back of the head was not the only means of escaping from such danger. I think there were less drastic measures she could've taken that did not include repeatedly stabbing the man. Now, if I were her, I might have done the same thing too. However, that doesn't excuse the fact that she stabbed him, at least in my mind.
Areveas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand what the word "punishment" means if you think it applies in any way to what happened. Punishment is something that is done after the crime as an act of retribution. This was acting in defense of someone else.
In Ohio, defense can only be claimed if the defender has
a bona fide belief that [she, or in this case, her daughter] was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that [her] only means of escape from such danger was in the use of such force, Marts v. State (1875)
I believe that stabbing him five times in his body and once in the back of the head was not the only means of escaping from such danger. I think there were less drastic measures she could've taken that did not include repeatedly stabbing the man. Now, if I were her, I might have done the same thing too. However, that doesn't excuse the fact that she stabbed him, at least in my mind.
Kaynin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct, the right way of doing things is getting quick proof with a phone & calling the cops.
Also the use of chloroform on the guy would be good too.
I do like how they dont specify what race/nationality so we can only assume this guy is a Caucasian by a default. I really would like more details than just a dude got stabbed for being on top of a 12yrold.
Question to the candle light brigade here: Will there be a protest if the man dies?
Bbols23 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't fuck with people from Cleveland. It's shitty enough that everyone is ready to get violent. Lol
rstwr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope that they both get the punishment they deserve.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am gonna wait to see if the dude really was fucking a child before I get my rage boner up. For all I know she just stabbed the dude over some dumb shit and is lying about the child rape cause she knows people shut off their brains when they hear shit like that.
"Nah. Ya'll can keep going. I'll catch the next bandwagon Reddit."
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:10:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And as I said before, there is a near 50% chance that the parents are going to get divorced, so your idea that marriage solves everything is completely wrong.
Moonlawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are those 2 related? I would say the children in the not divorced household would be better off regardless of the percentage. The 50% divorce rate is way off btw. It includes people who get divorced multiple times.
Put your bible down and wake up - there is nothing that shows that children in a household with a married mother and father are better off or safer than children in a household with - gasp - a single parent. This is 2017, not 1717.
This is an awful tragedy for that 12 year old girl - your holier than you BS doesn't belong in here.
Moonlawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are so wrong. The evidence is overwhelming. Single parent households show a strong correlation between inter-generational poverty.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 15:58:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dano8801 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Homosexuals and transsexuals are not perverts...
BMeyerBA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inherently* anyone can be, so this word is a must
dano8801 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, good point.
But his wording suggested that all homosexuals and transsexuals are perverts. This isn't the 50's and that shit don't fly anymore.
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people are slow or are acting as if they are to make the world easier to navigate, like humans always have.
The issue isnt someone's sexuality, or what they identify as, it's victims turning into perps. So many kids and young people are molested in the world, people like Chester Bennington won't turn into a perp but instead eventually commit suicide. Others will turn to various forms of self harm like hoarding or overeating. Some recover almost entirely. The rest, become what they were taught...
I dont really have an answer for the pedo problem. Sometimes I'm angry and want them euthanised because of the many child sex rings that exist. Sometimes I just think the pedos should have their own little island, like Australia was (allegedly) a home for criminals at one point. I want the damaged but good pedos to live fulfilling lives, but it's so hard to do that when so many of them are already rotten to their core. GAH! SAVE OUR BOYS AND GIRLS YA'LL! If it takes stabbing an active pedo to save a child, ANY child, do it.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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drumczar ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's always some scum bag boyfriend that does shit like this. I am sorry to the woman for the stupidity and carelessness of SOME not ALL of my gender. This creep is not a man. I would gladly beat to death any person I saw harming a child.
Does not seem to be premeditated, it seems to be temporary insanity being brought on due to defending their kids.
Celebrate? No.
Has she committed a crime? Not in my opinion.
tudytoo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a child here...who has been raped probably multiple times...and your discussion never addresses criminal male behaviour...and indeed will down vote
this post out of sight...Grow a pair Dicks...Rape is a male issue.
I don't usually engage with misandrists, but you should really share your opinion with underaged males that female teachers have raped.
downvoats ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was a woman fucking a 12 year old boy and his dad had stabbed her, everyone ITT would be shitting all over the dad for assault.
sl1878 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:30:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they wouldnt.
downvoats ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you've never internetted before.
Half the comments in the thread would be this image in reference to the woman, and the other half would be whining about how when they were a 12 year old boy, they would have LOVED to be able to fuck an adult woman
sl1878 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internetted plenty. But none of your examples support your claims that the man would be called an abuser, only that simpleton dudes would be claiming they wanted to get laid at 12. BTW both your "half" arguments are for the same thing...
Huh a lot of double standards over here. I definitely am not supporting this guy but I'm pretty sure the reaction would be a lot different if a guy found his wife with his 12 year old son.
Starter91 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beating the guy up or stabbing the guy are both violence..at least with the knife it was a fair fight, considering it was a lady and a 12 yr old fighting off a grown man.
stabbing is only bad if you don't catch that person raping your daughter. When you catch a man raping your child, stabbing is not only acceptable but also preferred if no gun is within reach.
damn shame she only had a pocket knife. If only there had been a Bowie or butcher's knife within reach.....
Why is it illegal to lay naked on top of your girlfriend's 12-year old daughter?
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This must be a sick joke but sigh... Here goes anyway:
Sexual activity with a minor of any age when the other party is of legal age is always rape or molestation regardless of "consent" or circumstance. Specifically it is statutory rape, sexual abuse/assault, or child molestation. Any type of "consent", real or imagined, is always nullified by the lack of legal capacity of the minor. It is always a crime for a person of legal age to engage in sexual activity with a minor. It is correctly classified as rape, sexual abuse, or molestation from a legal (and arguably moral standpoint too). Always.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rapehttp://www.kidslivesafe.com/child-safety/molestation
"In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says".
Americans love their constitution, aslong as it is convienient for them lmfao.
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Reddit: KILL THE GUY ACCUSED OF HAVING SEX WITH THE 12 YEAR OLD WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A TRIAL A REVIEW OF THE EVIDENCE OR A SECOND SOURCE.
Jonlife ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most child abuse is subject to the men these single mothers chose to congregate with. Remember, this woman allowed this man into her house. Had she not seen the early signs that this guy was a sicko is on her.
But most single mothers lack being able to tell good judgment of character in others. They def lack impulse control (jumping into relationships with men that really fucks with their kids, this case in particular being the extreme of what kids in single parent households can go through).
Nolar2015 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:50:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the woman raped the daughter it wouldn't even reach headlines too...
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust you see the continental divide there between the two groups that's called Consent.
nunzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a far cry between sexuality and non-consent. What is wrong with you?
humanysta ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should both go to jail.
fauimf ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:26:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, this gets almost 60k upvotes because everyone needs to know about this, right? No.
The purpose of Reddit, IMO, is to inform people of events that are important to know. This is not one of those events. Don't turn Reddit into the mainstream media.
Ummm, this is clearly not as important as a black kid getting killed by a cop for not complying.... Sorry, we have real issues to stand up and unite against.
lol, you dumb fucks.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:35:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stuckfix ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:20:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His religion isn't mentioned in the article.
kkratos ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:14:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you guys think that murder is a bit of a overreaction?
Long prison sentence yeah, but death?!
I don't know man, doesn't really seem right
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's better when a citizen murders another citizen. When the state does it I agree it just doesnt seem right. I don't want a world full of vigilantes, but I do sympathise with them though. However they deserve the same punishment someone not out for revenge gets, just to be fair.
kkratos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I'm sorry but I don't think that citizens should murder themselves for any reason. I don't like the death sentence per se but I get why such a sentence may be issued in some cases. But these kind of things have to be handled by the state, not the regular citizen.
In this case: I totally understand the mother and her actions may be justified, but murder would've gone too far.
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way the state, the thing that's supposed to do no wrong onto its people, has executed quite a few TOO MANY innocent people is why I do not support it.
I am okay with citizens killing each other because it was the individuals choice to do it. The victim of the crime was only against another individual, not their nation.
I don't like crimes, especially violent ones, but it is human nature to protect what you find important to live. Crimes of passion (wife/husband/relative finding that someone they care about has been victimised/ unfaithful so they take immediate violent action is super common and it makes sense for it to happen. It'll never stop happening either. I'm okay with that. I'll do my best to avoid those situations and help others I know do the same.
Children carry on our bloodline so both men and women care a great deal for them. Women are precious because they are key to reproduction. Then there's men that we've grown to appreciate more but we still have a ways to go until they are as important as women and children. ~I'm rambling, sorry.
kkratos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to apologise. You're making good points.
Yeah the state is supposed to do no wrong but in the end, it's run by human beings who unfortunately make mistakes every now and then.
And I certainly get why you would protect your loved ones and even kill for them but violence breeds violence. every time.
But I have another perspective than you, as I live in Germany, where there's a thing called "Verhรคltnismรครigkeit". Basically it's an eye for an eye thing. So if somebody gets raped, you as a citizen are allowed and even must help the victim.
If you have to use force to help the victim, it's okay.
But you can't really just shoot or stab the culprit as that is not really on the same grade as a rape for example.
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright. Thank you for all of this information and taking the time to reply!
tbrfl ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:10:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is wrong and so is attempted murder. Assuming for the sake of argument that he actually was raping the girl, this was still not the right way to respond. Attack him, yes, force him out of the house and call for help, absolutely, but multiple stabs are too extreme. All of you who are advocating for the vigilante destruction of this man ought to be ashamed.
lyn816153 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shutup, you sissy. He was ON TOP of a child.
I'm a 70 year-old woman, and I have more stones than you.
Holy shit. I didn't think 70 year olds were capable of talking shit on Reddit lol. I completely agree with you as well
lyn816153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yer granny might be watching Wheel of Fortune, but there is an entire underworld of old people on the Internet.
Most of them are pretty stupid, but...oh, well.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing your kid being raped is enough to send anyone over the edge. There is a temporary insanity defense for a reason If he was indeed raping the girl, then there is not a jury in the country that would convict the mom.
stuckfix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:18:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about all that, I just like to know what I'm talking about before I start spouting off. Not to brag, but it's kind of a good policy. You should give it a try.
rspix000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really admire your own self image.
stuckfix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved comment
papnvleis ยท 3081 points ยท Posted at 15:15:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A similar incident happened in South Africa this month, a mother found three guys gang raping her daughter (27 I think) and stabbed all three, killing one.
Edit to add. https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-09-06-mom-arrested-for-stabbing-daughters-three-alleged-rapists/
Q1189998819991197253 ยท 2305 points ยท Posted at 19:02:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've killed all 3.
CV04KaiTo ยท 1605 points ยท Posted at 20:34:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbed one,killed all three
ds612 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:48:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they were like Tomax and Xamot except there was a third and when one guy gets hurt, all of them get hurt.
TheCazaloth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a GI Joe reference, had to look it up. First I thought you were just tripping and reading ancient Scientology scripture.
ds612 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:37:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's old. Dunno if they have rebooted GI Joe and if there is any Tomax or Xamot. Funniest is tomax or xamot falling from a helicopter while xamot or tomax was closing a business deal. All of a sudden the twin closing the business deal was rolling on the ground shouting, "i'm falliinnng! I'm falling!!!!" Needless to say the business deal was not executed.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:34:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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I_Fart_Liquids ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 23:41:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UAV inbound
ph33randloathing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:22:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She'd taken all of the nodes for melee range and piercing attacks.
modernintellect ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:48:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... She stabbed the one with the Sword of a Thousand Truths?
teknomonk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's deep.
flojo-mojo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:47:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stabbed em in the DICK
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:46:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M-M-M-MULTIKILL...killkillkill
KinoTheMystic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I wanna play UT
axeteam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:43:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Chuck Norris?
AmericanLzrOrca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Three rapists with one knife? That's way more impressive than two birds with one stone if you ask me.
Cskryps22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a collateral.
Miad75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emily's Domino...
ZootsnHoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chuck Norris, is that you?
DamnZodiak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need a manga adaption of One Stab Mom.
Grindolf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:24:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She tried her best... Give her a break
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably what she was going for.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:52:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kill 2 and mame 1 as a reminder to others.
RICHCISWHITEMALE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She tried
DefaultPlayerChar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:39:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... You don't kill them. You make sure they live without a penis.
MrZAP17 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A heinous act needs to be stopped, but that does not justify robbing someone of their life. Trivializing it doesn't help anybody.
Peragus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's South Africa. Believe me the country is better off with one less rapist.
Q1189998819991197253 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:31:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it definitely does. You lose your humanity when you do an act like that. It prevents them from doing it ever again. You don't deserve to live when you've already basically robbed the normal life of an innocent person by purposefully traumatizing them for your own gain.
MrZAP17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You lose your humanity"? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that our genes mutated upon committing a crime. Humanity is inherent to the species; it's not something you can lose as long as you're alive. That goes double for anyone on the receiving end of a sex crime.
And who are you to decide that someone deserves to die? Life should be guarded regardless of circumstance. It's something you deserve to have just by virtue of having it in the first place. Neither you nor I would be justified in taking it away from anyone.
Annaille ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once you have dark thoughts, you can either act on them or reevaluate your life/seek help. These men choose to act on them, thus, your humanity is void.
Remember, they had a knife as well.
Edit: Spelling.
MrZAP17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how the human body works. You're using the term humanity too broadly. Are they a biological human? Then they haven't lost their humanity, by definition. That thing that distinguishes them as one of us still remains. Anyway, thoughts are ephemeral, and can be changed, as can people themselves. There's no such thing as someone permanently condemned to acting the same way. It's true that taking the time to train good behaviors is difficult and intensive.
This sounds like a good situation for some sort of long-reaching blunt object (or less long but more surprising, which should be aimed for anyway). What is the main objective in that situation? The primary objectives are getting the rapist off of her, and also ensuring people's safety- in my book that means all parties, including the rapist. Aim for their arms and hands to startle and disarm them (obviously not without some risk of involuntary movement of the knife; if you can think of a safer way around that please share). Use what you have available in the area to push them off and away from the victim. Best case scenario their confidence in their situation topples and they deflate while someone calls the cops, but if they don't then separate yourselves from them ASAP by leaving the room and closing the door if possible. You want to remove their ability to continue. Then call the cops and get the girl medically checked.
Not necessarily simple or easy, but all very doable. These are only what I'm thinking of at the top of my head not in that situation. Once you're actually in the specifics will be more clear and you'll see more options.
I don't believe in situations where lethal force is desirable, but maybe more importantly to you, I don't think it's ever necessary either.
Cory123125 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:38:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres so much nonsense in your comment. This bit here, for example, there isnt even any room for debate if you stab people in the middle of attacking someone.
Thats not trivializing thats self defence.
As for whether or not its justified, thats all subjective.
A lot of people are weary of the death penalty because it can be inaccurate. In a case like this, theres not really room for that.
The only real reason to be against their deaths in this case is if you believe that, outside of you know the whole self defence bit, that its better to trust the court system to deal with them and keep society safe from them, or that their acts werent bad enough to warrant it.
MrZAP17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:45:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care one bit about the death penalty's efficacy; I just dislike death on principle. It doesn't matter to me how or why or when. Life ending, loss of identity and memory and future possibility, is an inherently tragic concept that is beyond what anyone could ever deserve to have inflicted upon them.
You can defend nonlethally. I have nothing against injury or force, just death. Incapacitation may be harder, but it's perfectly possible. Break bones if you have to; just avoid the head and don't risk excessive bleeding. Use that big human brain you don't give nearly enough credit to to problem solve the best possible scenario and do everything you can to get to it.
I don't compromise with death, and it would probably do you and me better if you didn't either, but that is unfortunately not something I am capable of forcing onto you at this time.
grafter8 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:35:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't underestimate mama bear mode.
10101011010111010111 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:08:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or papa bear. What's all this attention on mama bear. Someone harms my child they will fucking die.
grafter8 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:22:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a mom who walked in and stabbed him.
10101011010111010111 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of that, but "mama bear" is a common expression. That's all I wanted to talk about.
sepseven ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:37:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They all deserve to die. Shit like this makes me SO mad.
AWright5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone seems to love punishment by death in this thread
Aglz507 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:20:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think for many, rapist are just the shittiest of people out there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Rapist who take advantage of young children
derp2004 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The were probably trying to get rid of their AIDs. For some reason men in Africa with AIDs think if you have sex with a virgin it gets rid of the infection. They have billboards telling men not to do this.
Paul_Blart_Mall_Fart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People might downvote you....but you aren't wrong. Didn't the president of South Africa contract aids and then say it's ok because he took a shower?
PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:55:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link for anyone interested.
Article about the incident's aftermath.
PrincessPlastilina ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:13:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me livid. This is self-defense.
Annaille ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:31:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wooow, fuck that. ...and yet I'm not surprised. :(
white_genocidist ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:36:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sympathies lie with this woman but unless we are missing some critical facts, this is not remotely self-defense.
Defense of others may be a thing too in criminal law - and in that country. If so, it's probably applicable here.
SleepyBojazzles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:11:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing like a mama bears fury!
chadonsunday ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hers Is The Fury
mugdays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does one person stab three people? You'd think after one was stabbed, the others would get the fuck out.
jibbytits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you link to an article about that case? I'd be very interested to read about it.
papnvleis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:19:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-09-06-mom-arrested-for-stabbing-daughters-three-alleged-rapists/
jibbytits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The three suspects
huh
papnvleis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The names of the accused.
jibbytits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
any name on the victim? even a family name?
papnvleis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they have kept it private for the victims sake.
Veni_Vidi_Legi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:58 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She deserves a medal. Or 3.
arbitrageME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:35 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's pretty bad-ass. people can do some amazing things while high on rage
th3cr1t1c ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/mensrights response... "But we didn't get to hear the guys' side...."
o0cynix0o ยท 6635 points ยท Posted at 20:05:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Update: Mother wasn't charged. Guy was charged with rape.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
Bubbaganewsh ยท 4143 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how it should be.
[deleted] ยท 1114 points ยท Posted at 23:19:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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prince_peacock ยท 414 points ยท Posted at 00:46:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We shouldn't be surprised, and yet here we are
BanapplePinana ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:42:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Why do I have to hold my breath for that shit?
rhoffman12 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:50:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't, really. People use their knifes and fists and guns to protect themselves all the time, it just usually doesn't get this kind of publicity. Self-defense doctrine is as strong now as it's ever been in most of the US
PsychNurse6685 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:36:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I'm happy it turned out this way... but honestly I was convinced the mother would also be in jail. So glad they did the right thing
Hornlesscow ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:47:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't and supposed, being the key words here
bityfne ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:47:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did this happen?
DefenseoftheRadiant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess would be that, after he's choked unconscious he is no longer a threat to anyone, killing him, after he went unconscious crosses the line (in law), assumedly.
MrZacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because its NY duh
nova-geek ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:07:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And uniformed bullies shooting 27 bullets into unarmed women should also be found guilty if the "law" works. We should be surprised if they get away but it just happens again and again. I would be surprised if the "good majority" of officers ever help convict "one bad apple."
FleshAndBone420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't she still be charged with attempted murder, following the law though? Of course her defense would be sound and she would get it dropped in the long run.
AbsoluteZeroK ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:29:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on the situation she could be charged and be found guilty. Say, if as soon she walked in the guy stopped assaulting her daughter and was clearly done putting people in harm. In that case, she wouldn't have a self-defense (or third party, whatever) claim.
With that being said, I couldn't see a prosecutor bringing charges against a parent trying to kill someone who was sexually assaulting their child. That would be like... the worse PR.
alwaysusepapyrus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:20:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A prosecutor usually won't file charges if there's a valid defense though, especially in cases like this. But it would be she's found not guilty, not necessarily that they'd be dropped.
Chromedinky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The law doesn't always translate into justice.
This was an instance where it did.
ClaxtonOrourke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad isn't it? We're shocked when the system works the way it was intended.
Maybe the media really is creating a false reality.
chiefsfan_713_08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not considered excessive force or something? Just curious, I know similar can happen in self defense cases
Random-Rambling ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:47:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could theoretically make a case for excessive force, but no (sane) jury on Earth would go with that. Guy was raping her daughter, the woman probably would have been acquitted even if she killed him right then and there.
JamesOliv ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given how many times some women have stood back and allowed spouses and boyfriends to abuse their children I doubt the DA would want to send the message that you shouldn't physically try to stop an assault like this if you happen upon it.
ThellraAK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:06:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least in Alaska use of deadly force would be allowed to stop a rape.
evaned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's true basically everywhere in the US (at least for forcible rape).
reddit_user2010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most states (including Ohio) have very clear laws that allow deadly force to be used if the person thinks that it will prevent death or severe bodily harm of oneself or a third party (a lot of states also explicitly allow it if the "bad guy" is in the process of or attempting to commit a "forcible felony," but I don't think that Ohio is one of them). So I guess the only way that charges could be brought is if they claimed that rape didn't constitute "severe bodily harm."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's a forcible felony? Like burglary?
reddit_user2010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Florida it's defined as:
So it really depends on the state, but generally the consensus is that last bit: "any felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence" (this line is verbatim the same in Illinois law for instance).
Jupman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nessary force to stop the person from doing what they are doing.
Im_a_peach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor mother lacked conviction, as it was. Fucker should be dead.
Ildigrub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're lucky it's Cleveland in mass you can't use violence in self defense unless they attack you first... The castle law. We're screwed if theres ever a burglar with a gun ๐ though no idea about the law on third party defense and I'm sure that's more than enough to count as assault
tang81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a defense. You can still be charged but should be found not guilty after a trial. However, the right thing for the DA to do is to recommend no charges. Which they often fail to do.
Savvy_Jono ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a fellow named Stockley to tell you about....
xbbq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The key difference is whether it's in actual self defense (in the act) or retaliatory (after it has occurred)
kindcannabal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:10:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would it still be self defense if you preform Chinese net torture on him?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:26:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't stabbing an unarmed rapist enable claims of unreasonable force?
o0cynix0o ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll get whats coming to him in prison.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:48:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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o0cynix0o ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:14:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I commend you on knowing the difference between a shiv and to shank someone.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:19:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cuckoose ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:30:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does 4.251 do?
o0cynix0o ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:34:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It grows hair in unmentionable places.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:51:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:21:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Borngrumpy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, it's a shiv. You shank someone with a shiv.
Shank:
slash or stab (someone), especially with a makeshift knife. "I got shanked with a broken bottle"
Shiv:
a knife or razor used as a weapon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think prisoners shanking people with shivs follow dictionary definitions on their weapons
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:56:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Borngrumpy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to an inmate when he shanks you.
morriscox ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:38:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in prison, it's taboo to miss with kids, especially sexually. He's in for a world of hurt, even in the sex offender section.
Borngrumpy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Australia they are called Rock Spider (gets into little cracks), they generally spend a lot of time in the infirmary after falling down stairs on regular occasions, they tend to be very clumsy around stairs.
AlwaysBlamesCanada ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Prison time ...right?
TheRealMDubbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll probably get brutally raped for the rest of his short life.
ionlypostdrunkaf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:37:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not. Pedophiles and rapists are separated from the rest of the prisoners afaik.
ChicaFoxy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is this? As far as I know they are in the general mix unless they PC (protective custody) up, which in jail terms equates to admitting you're a wuss and deserve to be beat at first opportunity.
stevenwashere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do all rapists just rape each other?
TheRealMDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching an episode of lockup where they had rapists in general population. Not sure how good a source that is. Lolol
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:17:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ionlypostdrunkaf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:36:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not really comfortable supporting brutal rape. But you do you boo.
Careless_Corey ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:52:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come at me, bro!
Borngrumpy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:39:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She deserves a medal. It would be bloody hard to find a jury that would say it was anything but justified protection of a child.
flojo-mojo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well she is protecting her daughter..
TZO2K15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it should have been exoneration of the mother and a closed-casket funeral for that degenerate prick after he was mutilated beyond recognition...
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PHD_Memer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:18:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
murder is murder, but some murder is good murder.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:22:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he didn't die. So it's not murder.
PHD_Memer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:39:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
attempted murder is attempted murder, but some attempted murder is good attempted murder murder.
422guysss ยท -45 points ยท Posted at 23:22:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rape is not equal to being stabbed multiple times
EDIT due to triggered people: i am not in defense of rapists, i am only in defense of human rights, this downright wish for slaughter is unacceptable
TheMarlBroMan ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:31:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great bodily harm which rape falls under can be met with lethal force.
thisistoomuchwork ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:42:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between a down right wish for slaughter and more of an understanding of someone reacting violently in an extreme situation; which is more of the case here.
Toadxx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:35:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but lethal force is permitted in the defense of it.
HoodwinkingGnome ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:23:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually rape IS equal to being stabbed multiple times. You are being repeatedly "stabbed" by another person in a very vulnerable way.
stephen01king ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the rapist is a woman.
Bubbaganewsh ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:01:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are saying rape of a child is not equal to being stabbed multiple times and you wonder why people got triggered. The mother could have chopped his dick off and it still wouldn't have been enough and there isn't a single DA in the country who would press charges on her unless he was a child molester too.
Borngrumpy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury Foreman: Can we award her a medal judge?
Judge: No.
Jury Foreman: Oh, okay....not guilty.
Judge: Can we start the trial first?
Jury Foreman: No, not guilty.
Judge: Well, that saved a couple of days I guess.
Bubbaganewsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a bunch of money.
_Parzival ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:00:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you're wrong she should've gutted him like the pig he is.
bmhadoken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:45:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between violencing someone in defense of another or self vs violencing for revenge. This pretty clearly isn't the second.
Borngrumpy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the father of a 12 year old daughter, fuck you. If I caught him doing that to any child, he would be dead.
cashrchek ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 20:38:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking excellent
PM_ME_FOR_DIRTY_TALK ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 22:32:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Unfortunately there's some places where I'm pretty sure it isn't explicitly allowed to defend another persons life with deadly force.
I'm glad the legal system didn't fuck her over.
fuckthemodlice ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:02:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try getting any jury to convict this woman.
PM_ME_FOR_DIRTY_TALK ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:33:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A jury composed of redditors that have read this article wouldn't, and I certainly wouldn't, but a jury that was brought in not knowing anything and groomed by good lawyers might. IANAL though.
There's plenty of legal convictions that lost in the court of public opinion but won in the courtroom: OJ, teenage nudes or close in age statutory rape cases, some self defense cases, etc.
dexxstion ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:09:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I thought I had to PM you for the dirty talk!
hooray_for_dead_cops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:56:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not atm. But then again, maybe!
TheRealMDubbs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:11:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She'd probably do time in Jersey, its ridiculous here.
PM_ME_FOR_DIRTY_TALK ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:19:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my state I'm allowed to use deadly force for any "forceable felony" on myself or others. I do live in the Midwest though....
sepseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What state?
DrCalamity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Family is an exception to those states. You basically always can use it for your family.
TheMoutaind ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:25:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Poland you can't even legally defend yourself from burglars.
PM_ME_FOR_DIRTY_TALK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:34:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if the burglars are armed?
Flyingwheelbarrow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:10:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I hope the Mother and daughter can recover with therapy and this sick bastard goes to jail.
Im_a_peach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:14:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad he didn't die. He's a pedophile and a rapist. He's gonna do it again.
Flyingwheelbarrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he dies in prison from old age. We do not emulate their depravity but we isolate them for ever from potential victims. Exile by confinement.
maluminse ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:34:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defense of another. Rape could kill a child. Necessary to save child.
Aesthetically ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:57:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved me a click, thanks
oop-phi ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:37:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the best news Cleveland has had in a while. Aside from the Indians winning streak.
BorKon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stipe Miocic aka Stiopic?
oop-phi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will concede to that.
AntoniusPoe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:40:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope all the fathers in jail welcome him.
06Wahoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:43:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with this.
Mathewdm423 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:08:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
<Parks was treated for the injuries at MetroHealth, where he told detectives that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her daughter had feelings for him," according to the police report.
Fuck that guy
o0cynix0o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh they will.... repeatedly.
Mathewdm423 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully with a broken broom handle and nails
Nilirai ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:16:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank fucking God.
ganjajoe808 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense to me
sepseven ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:34:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK yes. That's what I like to see. I hope he's in prison for a LONG time.
sevillada ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:38:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or if charged, we would have supported her in "not guilty by reason of temporary insanity ". she had the right to snap and defend
SeahawkTJ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:12:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hang the prick.
thetruethatguy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:39:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll get a long-ass time in prison, but that'll get cut short because the inmates dont fuck around when it comes to child rapists
JesusSkywalkered ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:58:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, not in the US...He'll get 2-3 years max in protective custody. Sexual offenders don't go in gen pop any longer.
sepseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're wrong. He doesn't deserve protection.
Hyperdrunk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:08:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is wrong. High-risk prisoners like child rapists, celebrities, police officers, etc that are convicted of crimes get 24/h monitoring in a special section of the prison for just this reason. Prison isn't for peer-punishment of especially heinous crimes, nor should we encourage mob justice.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Many people in this thread want mob justice and it's fucked. What happens for cases where they find out that he didn't do it?
SeahawkTJ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:44:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should edit that to Hang the prick, if he's guilty. He has been arrested, so I am assuming the cops charged him because the rape kit came back positive that the girl was assaulted.
But he hasn't been convicted yet so I shouldn't assume.
Im_a_peach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:31:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Mom stabbed him in the head, once, and the chest 5 times, because she was jealous. The rape kit could sit on a shelf for 12 years, after the step pleads guilty to assault and gets 6 months. Maybe the judge also accuses the mother of jealousy and tells the 12-year-old she asked for it and seduced the guy.
Very little justice in our justice system.
Too bad he didn't die from his injuries. He's gonna serve his short time, get out and rape another kid.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we have seen stranger things on reddit.
Unfortunately possible
again, we have seen stranger things.
Seems that way at times
Hope this is not the case. If proven guilty, I would rather tha guy do a very long time in a really horrible jail, but as you said some times there seems to be little in the way of justice.
asthmatic_kitties ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So glad to hear!
HelloFr1end ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah.
_sophia_petrillo_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I was looking for.
GODDDDD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds good.
RikaRiko12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad he lived. She should have cut off his dick while she was at it.
JustBreatheBelieve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did this make me happy that the stabbed guy's blood was described this way?
PsychNurse6685 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god! I was really hoping for this!
Newkittyontheblock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like Justice is served for once.
ThingTThing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any word on the forensics?
silvalen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little bit of good news.
Im_a_peach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. A little girl got raped. You've got a fucked-up perspective. Everybody in this thread wants to ignore that fact. That happens all the time and it's never good news.
silvalen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? You're right, and I'm sorry my comment was so thoughtless and shitty.
CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the POS enjoys prison.
y_s0ser10us ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:56:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He should be charged attempt murdered to himself as well. Fucking monster.
TheMarsian ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:06:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh but your honor, she stabbed him too many times! The guy was surely incapacitated and therefore no longer a threat after the 2nd stab! This is murder!
Ahh don't you just wish lightning just hit someone while doing a bad thing, or or heart attacks!
PS fuck volley errors select all - copy - leave reddit - clear open apps - open reddit - search post - click reply - paste. I'd stab this phone numerous time if this shit doesn't go in.
[deleted] ยท 2796 points ยท Posted at 16:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ultimomono ยท 846 points ยท Posted at 16:14:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry, that's so awful You were extremely brave to keep telling the truth. So many adults failed you, but your grandmother did step up. It's sad to contemplate that something similar may have happened to her.
As a child, I found out about a similar situation (not in my family, but in a gymnastics gym). I tried everything I could to get the adults around me to pay attention and do something about it, and they didn't--not even the girl's parents. They looked the other way, I guess because the person was charming and well respected. I was only there visiting for a short period of time (a summer camp), but I saw the coach in question at competitions and it seemed that there were no repercussions for him.
H3yFux0r ยท 573 points ยท Posted at 22:05:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear that. I started dating a smoking hot girl in HS and met her step brother who was the Golden child and could do no wrong in the parent's eyes. He was abusing her, holding her down and feeling her up and getting off while he did it. It was the strangest thing, one day out of the blue she just drops the info on me. We where talking about fixing her car and then she stops mid conversation gets really nervous and tells me bit by bit with me asking questions. Almost had to pry it out of her. Small town, parents would not hear of it, police station said I needed proof or her to come in and that wasn't happening. 18Yo me was passionate, angry and on a mission to fix this. I ended up holding the guy at gun point while some friends held him down and made him believe we would kill him if it ever happen again. It was not hard to convince the guy he was a loser and knew it. Once he opened his mouth it all came rolling out with the "I didn't mean to!" and "I never wanted to hurt!" BS Which was what triggered the anger in my best bro and he just started kicking till we could not kick any more.
ILikeMyBlueEyes ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 22:17:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bastard deserved every single kick, too. I have zero sympathy for scums like that.
Random-Rambling ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:50:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vigilante justice is all well and good, but he either needs therapy or a jail cell, or he's going to do it again.
TyrantJester ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:27:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the most effective option of all. You, him and a shovel go on a hiking trip. You and the shovel come back.
sunnyr ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:40:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/iamverybadass
Veni_Vidi_Legi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:43 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find that chainsaws work better on demons.
earthbound_misfit42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:24:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a round from an Ak seems to have a healing affect on perverts or bad people alone. I havent heard nor seen an unsatisfied recipient yet.
ultimomono ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 23:16:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow. 18yo you sounds amazing. My college roommate was brought up in a very similar situation and no one did anything. Even as a grown-ass adult, her fucked-up family has expected her to be polite to her brother. She ended up cutting them all out of her life to stay sane, but it's been a hard path. I wish she'd had someone like you to put the fear into her brother and bring it out into the open all those years ago.
groovekittie ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:07:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish someone had done that for me.
H3yFux0r ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:26:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just hearing that makes me very sad. I'm so sorry. When I heard that I thought about what might have happened to her if it had not stopped. It freaks me out I need a drink.
ruukasuwave ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:35:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats for taking the lead and doing something. I was angry just by reading this
H3yFux0r ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:03:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it may have been one of the only times in my life that a snap decision driven by anger resulted in positive results. I'm just thankful that times have changed. If I where to go to the same police department and claim the same things today something would be done and people would investigate.
dweezil12 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:22:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My neighbors,who seemed quite normal from the outside, were a really fucked up family. The step-dad,since the kids were less than Four,was molesting the girl AND her brother.
I found out about it from my sister,who is still friends with the step daughter. They moved out of my neighborhood when the kids were in their middle teens and divorced soon afterwards. The kids mom eventually reported it to the police and Rufus, not his real name, went to prison.
H3yFux0r ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is such a huge shock when you find something like that out. I don't have the words to describe. In my case I usually read people right off the bat, I can tell whats up with people sexual preference, political views, type of up bringing, ect. But with this guy I was blind for more than 6 months. You want to be angry and go to war with it right then and there but that person in front of you needs help first.
Valthorn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:12:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he live, or was Death kind to him that day?
H3yFux0r ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:25:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lived, hobbled around for a long time and had a bad eye. I never thought about what would happen after. Seeing as it was a small town and word gets out but he took care to keep away. If I did see him around I would some times say rhetorically "Keeping out of trouble I hope!". The community might have not known the details but they got the jest of it and everyone kept an eye on him. He took an over the road trucking job right after that and was gone most the time.
Valthorn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:39:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he could live some kind of life afterwards he got off too easy. My sister was raped by a stranger a few years back and he was let go an a technicality, and considering the absolute hell she went through I hope for his sake I don't meet him and figure out who he is.
H3yFux0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing them all is an easy solution. I think they need help, not like oh you went to a meeting help. Like forehead branded then locked up someplace studied so we might find a solution or early warning signs help.
CodeCat5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you! You, sir, are a hero. Some tend to say things like violence isn't the answer, be the bigger man, all you can do is report to the police, bla bla bla... Sometimes they're not far off, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. 15-20 years ago I was presented with similar situations twice within about 3-4 years of each other, but I went in with a baseball bat instead of my feet. It takes a LOT to get me anywhere near that point, but I've never regretted my actions for a second.
H3yFux0r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one NO ONE should have to endure rape or the threat of rape. The psychological aspect alone can permanently change a person. It is a betrayal of trust that towers over everything else I can think of.
puravidababy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:11:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, people who commit these types of crimes don't deserve to live any longer. The world is already overpopulated. It is a gift to spend time on this earth and if that's how you are going to treat people you can GTFO.
i_comment_late ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:27:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you goddammit
i_comment_late ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you goddammit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are a good man.
insidezone64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You went Henry Hill on his ass. Respect.
H3yFux0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think these days you would go to prison for that and what I did but back when this happened it was just men setting things straight.
insidezone64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly depends on your local law enforcement and district attorney's office.
You might get arrested initially, but no jury around here is going to convict you for that. A man is supposed to protect his family. You have the added benefit of helping a girlfriend, and that would have pulled on the heartstrings of any woman in the jury. I doubt a DA in this area would even bother bringing charges. The defense attorneys would laugh them out of court.
poopsicle88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Too bad she didn't wanna press charges. Just cause he took a beating doesn't mean he won't do it to other victims in the future sadly
Gstringharpist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We survivors tend to randomly drop that info on people. Sorry? But I guess it's good she trusted you enough. It sometimes just comes to the surface and we have to talk about it.
H3yFux0r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:18:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to be sorry it was just a shocking park of the whole thing for me. We where having a normal conversation and then she just drops a nuke. I don't think there is a way or a time to tell some one the details and it not be shocking.
fructoseintolerant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck dude. That's intense. You did what you had to do. Thanks for sticking up for her
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, I wish I knew you when I was a teenager. I was too scared to report the guys that raped me, but now that I'm a bit older... I wish they had gotten the shit knocked out of them.
bubblysoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:02 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best revenge justice post I've read. Not encouraging violence but if it works to stop them I wish for it upon all of them.
BlueVelvetFrank ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:37:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang, I just listened to an episode of Reveal about a gymnastics coach who was alleged to have abused many of his young gymnasts. One of his victims confronts him as an adult.
ILikeMyBlueEyes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucked up.
klove02 ยท 264 points ยท Posted at 20:10:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister was the brave one, dad was molesting me and my two sisters. I was the oldest sister and her the youngest. She died a few years ago due to an addiction.
She saved us, I'm glad you did that for your sister too.
mrmcspicy ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:07:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear about the addiction. I hope it wasn't started from the trauma you guys endured. Its such a shame to see the psychiatric and substance disorders that often arise from childhood abuse. I hope your dad is justly punished.
klove02 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 23:53:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long story but ultimately he is in prison, was released at some point and then back in for attempted murder. Never had any contact after my parents divorced and all the foster homes and crap.
Mom passed away 7 years ago from alcoholism, that was fun too.
I learned a lot about how NOT to be o in my life. I don't let this get me down but man do I remember the trauma as a kid.
Always wanted to be someone else from my class who didn't have this happening to them. Sucked being afraid to go to bed at night.
CatnipCollective ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:48:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sucked being afraid to go to bed at night. Daaaaaamn, that's terrible, I can't imagine how shitty that must've been. Hope you're ok now.
klove02 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:50:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a quote I try to remember:
"If you are depressed, you are living in the Past. If you are anxious, living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the moment."
I don't always remember but living in the present is the best place to be.
GoEagles247 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:36:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't get this shit. Makes no sense to me. How can they just cover up t up and not care? I don't have any children and I'm a very calm guy but if I saw this happening to any of my young cousins (or really any child) I think I would go into a fit of primal rage. Just that's making about it is making me furious.
wishninja2012 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:23:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She doesn't remember it, what a blessing. All those years of semi normal family life. Make a big deal of it and she would have remembered including the trial and the mother losing her shit. She would have lost it either way he knew this family was not going to make it. Very selfish way to go with it I understand but from the outside look IDK how the outcome would have ever been better. What if it was the other way and he told, that scenario; what is the upside?
poop_frog ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:40:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's a lie so she doesn't have to talk about it and relive it, because she's found a way to cope by remaining silent, but she remembers every moment.
Nothing about it is a blessing.
CatnipCollective ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:54:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no memories of shitty stuff from my childhood, even after having those moments described by adults who were responsible for said moments.
So I believe that her sister has no memories of this, which I guess is a way the brain protects from intense trauma. It does not mean it's not affecting her, but at least she has no memory to relive over and over.
zeonchar ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:32:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be able to forgive both.
dolphinater ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:07:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could forgive her uncle but not her husband that seems weird
licatu219 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:20:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess bc her uncle was obviously sick, but her husband should have known better?
xJohn_Luckyx ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:54:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That still doesn't sound right, you know? Her brother literally raped her child... and why wouldn't OP not tell her mother but only her dad? Something doesn't add up here to me.
Awesome_as_FAIZ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wonderful, reddit's on the case.
feelingsquirrely ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:14:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her mother's uncle, not brother. Which could be why she told her dad. Also kids generally have an easier time talking to specific adults. So maybe it adds up just fine.
asmallbutthole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of situation is extremely complicated and difficult to deal with. Some people go into denial all together, some redirect blame.
You have to imagine it as it really is... usually it isn't some strange man who is abusing your kid... it's someone you love dearly/as much as your kid. A brother, father, your best friend you've known for 20 years, someone you could never imagine hurting you or your child. The stigma surrounding it is awful, getting the police involved, you are conflicted and in shock, sometimes the child is confused because he or she also dearly loves the abuser...
I speak from the viewpoint of an abused kid who told their parent and was never given help. One of the biggest hurdles to getting kids help is the stigma surrounding sexual abuse in general and a child /person and family being "damaged" after it's revealed. There is a veil of silence that everyone agrees is best. It seems counterintuitive but it happens all the time, and as a society we should be doing everything we can to talk about it openly.
OzMazza ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:17:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could she forgive the uncle?!?
SurrealMemes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you still talk to your father?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:57:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just say your mom forgave the uncle who raped your sister?
LA_SoxFan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad is a weird bird. My instinct would be to beat the uncle to an unconscious pulp. Not cover for him.
FrostByte62 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was the father, the uncle wouldn't be going to jail. I'd be going to jail.
wvboltslinger40k ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:35:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now now, have more faith in yourself. I'm sure you'd have found a good place to hide the body.
FrostByte62 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:04:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a chemist. I know how to destroy evidence.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just sad.
asmallbutthole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:22:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who also experienced sexual abuse from someone no one suspected/believed would ever do it, I think it's odd how much adults try to cover up/lie for the abuser. I suppose it's difficult to imagine, and it's a kid, so they could be making up stories. Still, it surprises me.
We even have research now that basically says the majority of child abuse comes from someone the kid knows, and people refuse to believe it could be possible that their brother or father or neighbor could be abusing their kid.
Parents- its never too early to talk to your child about places adults shouldn't touch them, and what to do if they feel uncomfortable. Also- please believe your child. Yes, it will destroy your family relationships, and yes, confronting your family member/boyfriend/friend will be awful.... but as someone who has gone through it, you are literally taking your kid out of hell. Also, please get the police involved and get therapy for your child.
And if you even slightly suspect something is wrong for one of your kids friends, get CPS involved. I know people are probably like, "duh," but when the time comes, they don't want to be involved and don't do anything. You can save someone's life.
jewelsinme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You did the absolute right thing. I'm proud of young you!!!!
Gen_GeorgePatton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:16:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your grandmother sounds like a wonderful person, I'm glad she did something for you when your father wouldn't.
ChipShotGG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm about to ask is probably rude and I'm sorry if it upsets you at all, but say that uncle fully recanted and got help and fixed his life could you forgive someone for that? I've always wondered about that sort of thing and if there's ever a hope of reconciliation for the family. I doubt I could forgive them but obviously have never been in such a situation. I'm taking a moral philosophy class right now and this relates to our current discussions. If you don't care to respond I understand
huktheavenged ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i became homeless and hate them to this day
your abusers never recant
EvilRogerGoodell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God bless your granny for listening and paying attention!
rockygrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is wrong with people right? You, your sister, and your mom deserve better. There is no place for a pedophile.
TacoCommand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hug I'm so sorry you had to go through it. You're safe now. :) She's safe now too. I'm always around if you need to PM with someone who went through a similar experience with their family (I can't go into it for obvious reasons publicly).
yashiminakitu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that's one fucked up life.
How's your life? How do you remain sane after something like that?
DamagedFreight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was never charged? I guarantee he did that to other kids.
ApexAftermath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:38:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck your father I hope he died or does die in agony.
Dovakiin673 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get that pedophiles are assholes, but I don't think they deserve to die. And speaking of assholes, they'll probably get theirs ripped up in prison...
ApexAftermath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I wasn't saying he should be killed, but rather that when the time comes or did come for this individual, I hope it wasn't peaceful.
Harryballzanga ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:53:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was quite hard to read... Very traumatic for the entire family I would say.
Not trying to make this post any less serious but I have to admit; I checked the user name half way through. Was fully expecting it to be another u/shittymorph post.
redditor3000 ยท 13056 points ยท Posted at 14:42:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This woman is a female Dirty Harry.
Nobody_home ยท 11522 points ยท Posted at 15:29:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naked gun did it well too...
satinsateensaltine ยท 2172 points ยท Posted at 15:58:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God. Now I need to rewatch this for the billionth time.
aedroogo ยท 579 points ยท Posted at 16:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice beaver!
JLtheRocker ยท 552 points ยท Posted at 17:54:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I just had it stuffed.
basti_fm ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:51:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of feel guilty for laughing in this thread...
masonw87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stuffed with?
Jackie_McMackie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:07:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this'll refresh your memory...
jimmyweee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, it's still kinda hazy.
TardyMoments ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? It's funny
the_only_thing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't give a shit. Close enough.
moriarty70 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1, 2, 1234
https://youtu.be/DFM140rju4k
TotallyDepraved ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you can't watch it that many times!
Jair-Bear ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 18:01:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can. And don't call me Shirley.
chelnok ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:04:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Well, when i see it billionth time, i'll see it again. That's my policy.
unemotionalandroid ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:01:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can, and don't call me Shirley!
Jive_Bob ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel things out.
Grabpot-Thundergust ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:19:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you watch Police Squad too!
Madly_Maxie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:26:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't need to...I got the files already.
PubliusPontifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an underrated show.
dregan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that would take you 161609 years if you did it 24/7
pwnedbywaffle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if he watched it on a room with 10,000 screens ... each one starting one second after the other.
comedian42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:47:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, then it would only take about 166.67 straight days (assuming the movie immediately restarts as soon as it ends).
BenR1ghtBack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theymaybedidthemath
satinsateensaltine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like eating a spoonful of Drano - sure it'll clean you out, but it'll leave you hollow inside.
zeptimius ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure we can all discuss this like the reasonable adults we are... isn't that right, Mr Poopy-Pants?
NiggyWiggyWoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:08:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spy Hard is a favorite of mine as well, and the fact that Weird Al does the theme song until his head explodes is a bonus.
satinsateensaltine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:45:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leslie Nielson was a cinematic treasure.
poopsicle88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enrico Palazzo
Gooberzoid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:07:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to upvote this but you were/are at 666 upvotes.
So I left it alone.
OregonJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tragically haven't seen it... I need to. Fuck.
Timedoutsob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
na NA naah nanana na na nah. Na NAH na na nananana na nah. Na nah nah nanananana na. Na NAH ne NAH na NAH ne NAH na nah ne nah NA NAAAAAH!
[deleted] ยท 433 points ยท Posted at 16:03:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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og_sandiego ยท 254 points ยท Posted at 17:54:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
especially when he's driving south from LA to San Diego, lamenting his lost love, and sees the SONGS Nuclear reactors and utters something like "everywhere i look, i remember her"
*edit hahahahaha...here's the clip
BadBalloons ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:15:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I'm a San Diego native, I read this and was like "oh shit, we have nuclear reactors?" Then I clicked the link and realized, "oh yeah, The Boobs". I always forget they have an actual official name.
glibbed4yourpleasure ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:41:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AKA Nuclear Titties
peripheral_smission ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New band name, dibs!
nick13nash1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:32:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also a San Diego native and just know them as the boobs as well. My grandpa apparently used to work there too and I never knew the real name until now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell your kids it's a milk factory. When they're older they'll get in an argument with friends about it. At first the friends will think your kid is making a joke. Then they'll realize your kid really believes there is a milk factory shaped like a giant pair of tits.
yoshidawgz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
San Diego, represent! Every time we drove to LA my dad would snicker and point out "The Boobs." You can imagine how hilarious it was when my high school jazz band drove up to Disney land.
MRintheKEYS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:06:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"What about the guy???"
"Don't know much. Except he's an Olympic Gymnast and it's the best sex she's ever had."
Tsquare43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I drove past that, and recorded myself saying the same thing.
ilrosewood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you make me laugh so hard in such a horrible horrible thread?
Stardustchaser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:58:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha I remember those from living in San Diego. Those engineers sure had a fun time designing those.
EJ7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:11:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever happened to that guy who plays Leslie Nielsen's partner?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:15:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oj simpson?
inagadda ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:20:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that name before, what else is he in?
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:25:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well...nothing major really. some obscure procedural tv show that lasted a couple seasons
spiral21x ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:36:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont forget that short lived fashion show
Andy_B_Goode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:18:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if he had been in something famous, this is how he'd have done it ...
VoltGO ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:34:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prison, but not for much longer.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:40:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kellermeyer14 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:44:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a second I thought you meant the football team and was very confused.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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inagadda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is but he played for the Buffalo Bills.
BAN_BICYCLES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait is that a joke for that movie with the guy that put them in the hole cause oj also did murder like that guy and i think thats his name
Coridan1984 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:52:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best was discovering there was a TV series too originally. So I got to go back and watch a bunch of Naked Guns I'd never seen before. And now there's Angie Tribeca :)
Bob383 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The tv series was a little more dry, less slapstick more deadpan. And I was only able to watch like 4 episodes before I got busy with something and forgot about it. But definitely funny. And definitely a lot of the same or similar jokes.
strumpster ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police Squad, for those interested
devils_advocaat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 2 more to go
Bob383 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was only 6 episodes? I'll definitely have to finish it then lol
Ch1pp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Angie Tribeca actually any good? The ads didn't make it look particularly appealing.
Coridan1984 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you enjoy Airplane and Naked Gun it's fun. Some episodes /jokes don't land well, but it's not like there's anyone else doing that kind of comedy.
MahatmaBuddah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Almost as good as Airplane!
nikkiali ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you must mean the funniest movie ever?! Airplane?
Modernautomatic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that one, but don't call me Shirley.
blove135 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember my mom renting it on VHS when I was about 10yrs old. We just got a fancy new VCR that had this thing that you turned on the remote that would slowmo, rewind, Fast forward, ETC. There was a part I don't remember much but I think during the baseball game where a very obviously fake dummy falls (I can't find the clip online) and my friend and I would crack up laughing rewinding and slowing that part. Loved that movie.
Airsh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the Naked Gun movies, but I also liked Wrongfully Accused. Never understood why there isn't much love for that movie as it pretty much has the same humor as Naked Gun.
maluminse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Airplane
Dokkanbitches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I will always love it.
PubliusPontifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is it doctor?
maluminse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a large tube that carries people through the air but that's not important right now.
CortaNalgas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I realize that...now.
brewmastermonk ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:03:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine a world where our medical technology gets good enough that we can regularly stab people in the name of art.
Nobody_home ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just need an Immortality Field like what was in the Rick and Morty Episode with Jerry
Tadddd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. But still, bad parenting.
lowercaset ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donaldson did in the gap cycle. Spoiler: that technology also lead to basically tortureporn clubs where the equivalent of strippers would mutilate themselves for the entertainment of the audience.
brewmastermonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's slightly disturbing.
lowercaset ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole series got pretty rough off and on. I enjoyed them, but it's worth noting.
brewmastermonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll check them out
Blunt-as-a-cunt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:12:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drebin: First of all, I must admit that I knew about the first five drug dealers I killed...the other two I reversed over with my car
So good!
shellwe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize he was copying dirty Harry.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shellwe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think too much into movies so I am sure there are a plethora. Especially in movies that spoof movies that came out before I was born. I think I saw one Dirty Harry movie 20 years ago, and that's about it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen this, but now I have to. This is just funny on the face of it, but the tag "Good ones!" makes it brilliant comedy.
Laimbrane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's so perfect. The movie holds up after all these years, too - it's brilliant.
TwoCuriousKitties ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for making me laugh in such a dark thread. Was overwhelmed by shock and sadness before...
bluelightnings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...the O.J. Simpson was in this? Now I gotta watch
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JesterMarcus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:58:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one lone bad guy who drops his gun gets me every time.
UchihaDivergent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was bad actors he would have received a medal.
Tsquare43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sexual assault with a concrete dildo?
RadioactiveWalrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how I haven't seen this movie, but I really need to. I love all of Nielsen's other comedies.
JesterMarcus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These and Airplane are the pinnacle of his comedy.
mystahead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It came on yesterday morning and I loved every minute of it.
majorchamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in tears right now
ZuwenaM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too good, evidently!
Ghost2Eleven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part of that line is the inclusion of "Good ones!" at the end. It's so brilliant. Implying that there might be some wiggle room there for Frank if he had just killed a troupe of bad actors. Hell, everyone can't stand a bad actor trying to pull of low rent productions of Shakespeare. But no, Frank had to kill off the good ones.
Drachefly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the Far side where the parents complain that the witch they hired as a baby-sitter cooked and ate both of their kids.
Coarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on us now. In real life Frank would have gotten off too.
CincinNaples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mayor Livia Soprano
vintage2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpected
Big_Pete_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Good ones!" is what always makes that joke for me.
Failgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize that was a Dirty Harry reference. Good shit.
peter_poiuyt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
goodbye sweet prince
effin awesome actor and movie series. just win.
i_sigh_less ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although this is a joke, it really does illustrate why Dirty Harry's "policy" was no good. No matter how sure you are that you can tell what the situation is, you can be mistaken. Granted, Harry's interpretation was more likely to be correct then Drebin's, but any Human can be wrong about anything.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:50:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, while this is a joke, it's also why I'll never be able to feel at ease (in public) in the States.
Nobody_home ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, don't be such a pussy.
MacTheBartender ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You left out the best part!
The Mayor: Callahan, I don't want any more trouble like you had last year in the Filmore District. That's my policy.
Harry Callahan: Well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. Thatโs my policy.
The Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that?
Harry Callahan: When a man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcherโs knife and a hard-on, I figure he isnโt out collecting for the Red Cross.
Tsquare43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:15:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's actually collecting for the National Hot Dog and Sausage council.
redditor3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually took it out. But I just edited it back in due to popular demand.
KidF ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:49:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never seen that movie... You just inspired me to do. Hope it's good.
Nobody_home ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:21:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty damn brilliant.
Mr_Barry_Shitpeas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:22:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel lucky?
huktheavenged ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well do'ya? PUNK!
bridge_view ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:36:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mayor: How did you establish that? Callahan: Well a naked man is chasing a woman down an alley with a butcher knife, I figure he isn't collector for the Red Cross. Mayor: I think he's got a point.
amore404 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Dirty Harriet"
tulutollu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
coolcoolcoolcoolcool. Hey remember how we don't like when cops shoot people based on a hunch? Good movie tho
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a part of me that wants to kill someone like this. I don't ever want to find this happening to someone I know, but I do know that if I ever do, I'm gonna kill the motherfucker immediately. Too many stories of these guys getting out of jail after a couple years and the girl never feels safe. I'll make sure she feels safe.
I have fantasized about this since I was a young teen. Listen to the song Yvette by Jason Isbell if you want to know what I mean. I'm not crazy. https://youtu.be/cDO9FhLFcaE
Shit_Posts_For_Karma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was upset when I read it was only a pocket knife. I was hoping for chef knife
toomuchpork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was just out collecting for the Red Cross
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a personal policy for rapists perhaps you live in a bad neighborhood.
roppunzel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's got a point
laxt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought there was a mention of the suspect holding a knife, somewhere in that comment about shooting the bastard.
neurospex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/709vzw/cleveland_woman_repeatedly_stabs_boyfriend_after/dn25wlu/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
these movies are fun to watch, but then I think Eastwood wanted to deal with his early career in Gran Torino. If you only knew him as a cliche macho from Dirty Harry, westerns etc., this movie tricks you to expect he will again solve the problem with a few fast, precise shots. But instead you are surprized with much more mature image of manliness. I love this movie.
HarryCallahanJr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world would be a better place if more people took Dirty Harry's attitude.
Asraia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a redpill dating strategy
ogrelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plausible scenario: first time viagra user takes pill too early when planning sexy time after cooking his SO dinner. SO prank steals a carrot and user has to run after her to finish said dinner. /s
CanuckianOz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read in the Simpsons' Eastwood voice
"Hey, I'm tryin' to eat lunch here!"
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really trust Wyatt Earp want to be cops to use deadly force in the right situations.
tonguejack-a-shitbox ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:54:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wyatt Earp was actually pretty famous for being able to end a situation with non-lethal force. He really seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time for all the times he actually had to shoot someone, and then handled it as a professional.
Source: Did a paper on him in high school and his life while very exciting and glorified, was not what we see in movies.
learnyouahaskell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he said "W.E.-want-to-be" cops, but it was a little obscured
True_Kapernicus ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is also illegal. We have courts for judgement.
CSFFlame ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:44:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's legal...
You can use lethal force if a reasonable person thinks the attacker is imminently:
1) Going to attempt murder
2) Going to attempt serious bodily injury
3) Going to attempt rape
To you or anyone else.
In the USA.
Some other countries, especially some European ones, you're fucked if you try to defend yourself or others.
True_Kapernicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:16 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I would only think lethal force was justified if someone was armed and about to cause serious harm and there was no other realistic option. Dirty Harry is not exactly a weakling and the police are not there to just mow down anyone they come across who is up to no good.
CSFFlame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:54 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is called duty to retreat, and is frowned upon, because not dealing with the threat immediately puts you in greater (and unnecessary danger)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A. It's just a movie B. It's a movie about a cop called Dirty Harry C. The next lines of dialogue are pretty important
CharlesManson420 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I know if I saw a naked man about to rape my child my mind would immediately jump to "we need to get this man a fair trial!"
True_Kapernicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty Harry did not walk in on someone raping his daughter.
BelCifer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the judges and fuck the law. If i saw that happening, i'd shoot the bastard too
True_Kapernicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well done. You are so much better than a Jury.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a cop and you have a gun, you have the power and the responsibility to diffuse the situation without killing anyone. You can't just fucking gun people down with zero warning.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a shit fucking move. Just shoot the guy, no warning, just fucking gun him down? If you're a cop and you have a gun, you have the power to diffuse that situation without bloodshed.
wishiwascooltoo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she's Dirty Harry because you could remember a quote from the movie about rape?
R-Guile ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 15:20:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, dirty harry was a racist shitbag who only took the job to kill people. Dude is really the villain of that movie.
tonguejack-a-shitbox ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:55:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we watching the same movies?
darthbone ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of hackish dialog when you think about it. Nobody would end that remark with "that's my policy". It's a hamfisted setup for Harry's response.
Fantastic movie, and memorable scene. Bad writing, though.
Also pretty bad logic. It's not like rape is a touch sport. If there's an officer in pursuit of a would-be rapist, I doubt he'd going to have the time or inclination to still try and rape that woman. Seems like shooting the guy put people needlessly in danger when the danger to the potential victim had already reasonably passed.
Again. Awesome movie. I've maybe bought <50 DVD/BluRay's in my life, and Dirty Harry is one of them.
Anarchistnation ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's not a cop, but with how this kind of vigilante justice is so normalized and men have literally no benefit of the doubt or civil rights in matters like this, it won't be long before copycats are made out of jilted lovers and other such psychopaths. Congratulations on setting up a huge precedent!
Toadxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what situation would you need to be naked on top of a 12 year old?
Yeah. You rape someone and you get killed or otherwise injured/maimed during it, you deserve it.
ChupaMeJerkwad ยท 14926 points ยท Posted at 14:03:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's lucky the mother used a pocket knife instead of a kitchen knife. Otherwise with five stabs to the chest and one to the head, it's unlikely his child raping ass would still be breathing.
Rising_Swell ยท 9689 points ยท Posted at 14:36:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are going for pain a small knife is better, can stab many more times without it being lethal. Maaaaany more times.
[deleted] ยท 6005 points ยท Posted at 14:40:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like you've done this before.
DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 9331 points ยท Posted at 14:43:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maaaaaaany more times
yunglist ยท 2985 points ยท Posted at 15:33:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
[deleted] ยท 1328 points ยท Posted at 16:01:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jakej1097 ยท 1404 points ยท Posted at 16:19:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
funky4lyf ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 16:47:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, how's the husband holding up?
jimmyablow09 ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 16:51:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
blotterfly ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:45:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear this meme never fails to crack me up.
itsok-imwhite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
Eunitnoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
poop_frog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's dead, m'kay?
boxerofglass ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 16:58:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maaaaaaany more times
TerrainIII ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut 'er down boys, we did it.
inagadda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dental plan?
rub-my-feet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lisa needs braces.
wisdumcube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's seems like you've done this before.
MortisSafetyTortoise ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:30:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was his apartment rent controlled?
PM_M3_ST3AM_K3YS ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:53:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the 12 yr old?
trytomakejokesnow
jimmyablow09 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:55:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To sheds you say
yunglist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/jesuschristreddit
CaptClockobob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
CHRGuitar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know nothing, Joke Snow.
obarnesmorgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maaanny more times
Derpyspaghetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds!
assaficionado42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My man!
poopst3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like you've done this before.
DontSayNoToPills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To bleds you say?
PM_M3_ST3AM_K3YS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quit it bois, found the stabbed guy..
Rocksalt34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're talking about the 12 year old's mental state...
To shreds, you say?
Vague_Discomfort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
don't test me.
Matt_has_Soul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
OliverWotei ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good news, everyone!
Bending_Unit22 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:37:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up meatbags, All My Circuits is on!
Balls2TheFloor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:36:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedfuturama
Jordaneer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:14:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm, checks out, I guess
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Chimpbot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds, you say...
diaboliealcoholie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:03:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No she was practising her stabbing heeeeyah (Roberto yell)
Lexaternum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was his apartment rent controlled?
randombits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is his apartment rent controlled?
WatchPointer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And my axe!
WickStanker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally, this is the only time I've enjoyed this old repetitive comment chain. Well done everyone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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WickStanker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here and I'm here to stay! Who wants champagne??
WarLordM123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, emotionally
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, she stabbed him
blendertricks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police squad?
nTesla2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is flying like a kite...a shredded one.
_bin0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:53:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maaaannyyyy more times
InfinitySnatch ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:05:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well how is his wife holding up?
My_spire_is_forming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leak maker
Something_Syck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rectum? Damn near killed him!
ben_10_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be fun, they said.
Asseman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mannnnnnnnnnyyy more shreds
The_Bobs_of_Mars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like slices, really.
CSwork1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:57:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I get so much entertainment from the quick wit of my fellow Redditors.
Hu5k3r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed sir. Agreed.
TehArkhamKniggit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:01:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both sides, both sides โ๏ธ
Anarchistnation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On many sides.
dlsco ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:14:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is nazi doctor Leo spaceman
IDontEvenOwn_A_Gun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no one I'd trust more when it comes to medical insight!
dlsco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want them to know!
DamnBlackTea ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs.
Nicky941 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Caaaaarrrl!
sweetcuppingcakes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
30 Rock, Calvin & Hobbes, and marijuana
DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, the trifecta of a great sunday morning
ieatassonfirstdate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many times?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't help but read that in that sheep voice Michael Savage does when mocking people and it makes it that much better.
emaciated_pecan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy shanks
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the most times. So many times.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When folk ask what happened here
You tell them;
North Remembers.
larrydocsportello ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:20:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maaaannnnnnnnnnnnnyyyyyy more times.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:24:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it has happened before, and will happen again....
AISP_Insects ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:29:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maaaaaaaany more times.
opticorange ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:43:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like i've seen this sentence before....
NotAnArrogantPrick ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:01:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you'll see it maaaaaaaany more times.
Kingdomheartsfan891 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is about to be meta
Feynization ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great username. Although I think you managed to bring the tone of Dr Spaceman down a notch.
walter_sobchak_tbl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
many many times, on both sides
Crezek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
love your username, love 30 rock
weasle865 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treat me the waaaay you do
Chickachic-aaaaahhh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry i didnt catch that. Once more?
louche_goose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... from all sides, from all sides.
IAmDreams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude i love your username
DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks dude.
darealfuccboi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you all stfu? This shit isn't funny...
Hu5k3r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are joking, referring to something someone said, but if not... Everything is funny bro. You should hear nurses - just saying.
darealfuccboi ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you had children being molested by their non biological step parent you would laugh? Please, never have children.
Hu5k3r ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the act of course. It's the way people deal with tragic events.
flurryMC ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, is that actually what you think he's saying? Let's be real.
darealfuccboi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it is, everything isn't funny,
[deleted] ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 15:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing beats the hobo life
stabbin' folk with my hobo knife.
Luminox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:25:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You a singing hobo or a stabbin' hobo?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/uj2dmQruJXs
huktheavenged ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i guess i now know who i'm going to be in my next life........
the_leprechauns_anus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many times is repeatedly?
BurninRage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went through their entire comment history, looks like they have not done this before.
scirio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
Maria-Stryker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stuff like this is a real problem for writers. You need to know some messed up stuff if you're going for realism
Mike-Oxenfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's reliving it
meat_popscile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP studied the blade.
BG_Misonary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah just watched game of thrones where another pedo gets the same treatment.
nightcallfoxtrot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he ended up getting his throat cut instead of bleeding out from those, which was dumb
stabby_joe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who told you
Frisbeeguy25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well not me personally. But I a guy I know..
redditnathaniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you can say he's taken a stab at it before
inanimatecarbonrob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you've played knifey spooney before.
baardvark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is like the story about Christopher Lee knowing what slitting a man's throat sounds like.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just need to watch the prison shows. A small knife is easily hidden and you basically carve out a large hole to inflict damage.
StillwaterBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We all remember the slender girls on reddit.
Throwawaylikeme90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The doc says if they're good he'll give them back their stabbin' knife.
HerrXRDS ยท 2624 points ยท Posted at 14:45:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dream is to beat someone to death with an empty plastic bottle.
Rising_Swell ยท 2259 points ยท Posted at 14:46:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ who hurt you?
Dr_Andracca ยท 5512 points ยท Posted at 14:53:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably someone with a full plastic bottle.
nocontroll ยท 257 points ยท Posted at 16:47:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
#1 response of the year contender.
cfschris ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:50:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/hatchery would have a field day with this guy
imjusta_bill ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:14:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You son of a bitch. What have you done to me
cfschris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deep breaths m'boy
It gets easier each passing day. And never forget to carry it onwards.
Astuur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:37:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he is a doctor so he probably knows how bad that can be.
Dr_Andracca ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:03:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen documentation of a similar event. P.S. that'll be $10,000.
Astuur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ANDAGAINANDAGAINANDAGAIN At 5:34 is pretty funny.
BoneHugsHominy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god that's horrifying.
masaichi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me!
cletusrice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's a nocon troll
Dr_Andracca ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:00:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swing in the dark here: probably a troll who doesn't con people.
This comment was low effort as hell. I apologize to the good citizens of Reddit.
seffballot69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One liter later...
Stretchsquiggles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Doc
ShnizWizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats if your thinking glass half full
Does_Not-Matter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this thread to shreds
MrDub1216 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of doctors in this chain
ceramic_octopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they wouldn't share ๐ฑ this made me belly laugh out loud hard
testobleronemobile ยท 403 points ยท Posted at 14:54:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The romans.
M4DM1ND ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did the Romans ever do for us?
oasis_45 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:51:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...the aqueducts...
SmokinDrewbies ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:54:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, well... yeah they did give us that.
PhobozZz1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:05:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But aside from the aqueducts, what did the Romans ever do for us?
albatross-salesgirl ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:21:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the sanitation.
Gobrien92 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
Mastershroom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:18:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Romanes eunt domus!
bmkcacb30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aaand the roads
bmkcacb30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ
for the uninitiated
Obi1DidntHave2Die ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They made it safe to walk at night!
cfschris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just invented some old dead memes or some shit, I'd say
Gobrien92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knew this was coming.
letsdocrack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I'm not the only one not surprised.
usernameblankface ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:49:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the Pharisees cheering them on.
SectorIsNotClear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When in Rome.
Insomniacrobat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The aristocrats!
keenanpepper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Romanes Eunt Domus
seanbrockest ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 14:52:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
horny_fuckers ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:57:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was Jason Bourne
actolia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/itsjasonbourne
trillinair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, the correct answer was The Romans.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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yunglist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:34:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was, but I just took a huge dump, so he's gone. For now.
trillinair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pontius Pilate
spiral21x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jews, The Romans, who hasnt?
SouldSoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jason Bourne
Ryuuken24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Romans.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Pepper
or
Mr. Pibb
king_long ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was indeed Jesus Christ who hurt him.
rangeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy with hammer, nails, and cross.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to act out my Manhunt fantasies so bad!
xbbq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A duck
Anarchistnation ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The patriarchy is a pretty popular justification for hysterical behavior.
[deleted] ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 14:52:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:48:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would work if you made a simple machine to do it.
TyroneTeabaggington ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:49:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the engineer.
Tweenk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/9VDvgL58h_Y
Verizer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I was thinking about, thanks.
j_e_10_15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic video and what I was thinking too. Imagine not only somebody repeatedly hitting you with said plastic bottle, but also having to listen to that annoying plastic crunch every time.
Timmehhh3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hit them with the top end, the caps actually tend to hurt with reasonable velocity.
NetherStraya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Eventually that bottle's going to get so beaten up that it'll get twisted around and get some sharp edges on it, either from being torn or just bending on itself.
idkwtftodonow ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You remind me of this video
darthjoey91 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with a SPOOOOON!
Hypertroph ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:26:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not a spoon?
mspk7305 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a lot of work
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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brainburger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you do it in space.
Harbingerx81 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really wish I could find a better clip, but this is the first thing I thought of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJVN4m7z2Yc
physickfester ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's your dream? Like how some people have dreams of visiting a free Tibet? Yours is beating someone to death...?
Testiculese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. In Tibet.
DatPiff916 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just saw the preview for the movie Downsizing, we may be closer to that reality than you think.
beergrylls0426 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/jesuschristreddit
tjvds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death by spoon. Just the movie for you.
chastjon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horrible quality, but reminds me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJVN4m7z2Yc
ThisFckinGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll kill you with my teacup."
gsev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU. Best fight scene of all time. Biased tho, it's my favorite movie.
ThisFckinGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have like 10 tied for first but it's deff in the group. I've watched it probably 30 times and seen Riddick and pitch black once each lol
WingedLycan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon
boba-fett-life ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/9VDvgL58h_Y
Red_Ed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That reminded me of The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon.
TheGurw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will find you. It will catch you. It will hit you. With a spoon. Again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Iwentfishing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could take years.
RMCPhoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Se7en' + 'Captain Planet' fan finction
superfredge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that parody trailer of the murderer that spends the entire film following a guy to the ends of the earth hitting him repeatedly with a spoon.
acidboogie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought one of those wiffle bats would be the way to go... they make the greatest BONK sound.
ginfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever seen the video about the spoon murderer? I feel like you would appreciate it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alfred Hitchcock Presents:
The sequal to the over the head beating using a frozen turkey.
simondoyle1988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about a spoon
ziggyzack1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We talking a 2 liter here, because hitting people with empty 2 liters is fun if done correctly.
canyonskye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just started beating myself with an empty plastic bottle to put this post into perspective.
fuzzeenavel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is like a really fucked up tootsie pop commercial.
"How many hits to get through a human skull? One (whack), two (whack), three.."
Meloon01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you hit them in the head with the cap, you might have a chance
saipriyac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does that work please elaborate
SendPicsOfPicsOfTits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U have to use the cap. It provides great pain in areas where the bone is more prominent and the skin thin.
queenkinsey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was little i threw a 3/4 empty coke bottle at my cousin. It hit him in the eye and he had to go to the E.R. I felt so bad. But that was the day I realized anything could be a weapon.
Badger_35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John Wick is that you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have to be a really thicc bottle!
mrlanemeyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom once hit me in the head with an empty 2 liter bottle of soda. The force of the bounce back almost knocked her over. I almost died laughing which just pissed her off even more.
Hopalicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear jumper cables work well too.
reitau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a their own shoe...
callmetmrw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wiffle bat
MonkeyPost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While having one hand tied behind your back.
HauntedSkullduggery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We share the same dream. I've said many times to people and I don't think they understand how long it would take for that plastic bottle to break.
jdo282 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought wiffle ball bat but you idea is better!
gabrielsab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A spoon os better
Baardhooft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use the cap side to inflict more pain.
HumanCoffeeFountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My choice would be to use a Nerfbat. Its basically death by rugburn.
Grizzly_Berry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll one-up you and bludgeon someone with a single rolled-up piece of copy paper.
ripvannwinkler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's DULL, you TWIT. It'll HURT more.
biggiesmalls22e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The spoon would be so much more effective in this situation though proof
HeinousCalcaneus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's test the theory on a hobo
PhotonicDoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer a teacup. It's more classical that way.
BelCifer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could take weeks, you know?
redditingatwork23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOW ABOUT A SPOON
sirius4778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the episode of South Park where Carman is afraid Kyle will nark about something they did, I think TPing and tries to beat him to death with a wiffle ball bat
Beateride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or... with a SPOON
Mcshovin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get an oasis bottle, tighten the cap, stand bottle with cap against victims teeth, hit the base of the bottle with the palm of your hand and your victim should have no teeth left by the end. That's about the most harm I think could be committed with an empty plastic bottle.
Insomniacrobat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chain em to a wall and clip away with fingernail trimmers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
does a culligan bottle count?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use to fantasize about beating my ex husband's head in with a baking sheet.
Nothing gory, just continuously hitting him over the head until it resembled something close to a pile of bread dough.
MrSenseOfReason ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone post the spoon movie trailer
Voodoo1285 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wanted to beat someone to death with their own skull.
warrencc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed way too hard at this.
CatisMyOverlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a list for you...
GabbyJohnsonIsRight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did it like this, I did it like that, I did it with a wiggle ball bat.
Tzadikim_Nistarim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this... https://youtu.be/p-nwKlm6C98
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget to flip it on the body when you're done
StillwaterBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dream is to speak fluent Thai. You do you man.
TeHNeutral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not... A spoon? Nothing like murder with a horribly inefficient weapon
F_Klyka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might like The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon
jdawg25z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crysis, is that you?
aquamansneighbor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just get really really tired from it, they'll either die of starvation from you only beating them a few hours a day, or half way through you'll give up and stick the skinny part down their throat and keep pounding, you leave the cap off though so they can still kinda breathe then you pinch the nostrils as you look them in the eyes until they almost pass out, repeat a few times and then pull the bottle out...put the cap back on and reshove it down their throat so they gag to death on their own vomit. Dont forget to use the cap to scoop their eyes out though. Also take off the wrappe and continously krinkle it in their ear.
wowcunning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dream; if I had the power of invisibility; would be to beat a mime to death in front of a crowd of people... Everyone would think they've just watched the best fucking mime the world has ever seen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd have my respect just for the time commitment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My gma hit me so hard with an empty 16oz plastic bottle. Never knew it could be swung with such force
TomatoFettuccini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like this?
Snarkycakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds ineffective like those dream punches that never land...
hamsterboy56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was sent to hospital from being hit with an empty plastic bottle.
True story
Crazed_Chemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't skip arm day and do lots of cardio. Swing away!
MawabuUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminded me of this https://youtu.be/9VDvgL58h_Y
zeekar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did a pushup into my knife. He did a pushup into my knife 10 times.
Rising_Swell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:37:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Officer! I'd like this man arrested for headbutting my fist repeatedly in such a manner that his broken cheek bones cut me!"
f1sh_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/UnethicalLifeProTips
xxkoloblicinxx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she was laying down on the bed...
okay...
And he was naked on top of her...
Yeah...
Then I stabbed him 47 times in the chest.
Jesus he's lucky to be alive.
ChicagoCowboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
Ricochet888 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen enough WPD posts to know being stabbed or slashed repeatedly is a horrible way to go, or even experience. The human body can take muuuuch more punishment than you'd think it could.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Windows10Geek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pics or gtfo
seattleque ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you know, a spoon.
boredcircuits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?
Sihnar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/9VDvgL58h_Y
Rising_Swell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking glorious
star_boy2005 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pocket knives usually make shitty weapons though because most don't have a locking mechanism to prevent them from folding up when pressure is put against the back edge of the blade. In a stabbing motion, a folding knife will more than likely chop your finger off than harm your opponent.
Toadxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of knives have locking mechanisms that prevent that, unless the lock fails.
trailless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab and twist
hikerfag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also go for the face and hands. Not lethal with a small life bit it will leave visible scars for life. Make sure you twist the blade before removing it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: getting stabbed hurts either way tho
Dem827 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death by a thousand cuts.... just throw that in your google if you enjoy the NSFW things in life ๐๐ผ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you turned out like your dad Dexter
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've never been stabbed by a short blade. Some paper cuts are more painful. Either way he's lucky she didn't kill him.
oscarfacegamble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was violence on many sides, many sides
Blueblackzinc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OR go to Japan and learn the 1000 cut technique. Inflicting pain without withing lethal
mykol_reddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why whenever I carve out someone's heart, I use a spoon...
CharmedL1fe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real pro-tip is always in the comments
Sawses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if you're going for pain when he's on top of a kid, you've got your priorities wrong. Save the pain for when he's in prison--considering what they do to child sex offenders, they'll do a better job than most folks could.
hyperformer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Was being stupid trying to shave down a piece of plastic with a little pocket knife and it slipped and went through the side of my finger.
just_a_random_dood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CARL! That kills people.
GetRekdAnally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckolly
jbonte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although this is partly true, it's also much more likely that the "victim" could end up hemorrhaging to death from small untreated cuts to veins/arteries not easily visible...Not really a concern in this shitbags case.
xXx_burgerking69_xXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jail stab
Over-Analyzed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Death by a thousand cuts"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Rising_Swell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends where you stab someone. If you are skilled, you could get in a couple thousand.
sanzo2402 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're dangerous, aren't you?
Gr3mlin0815 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she shoul've used a spoon instead...
airborne__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know why I use a knife? เฒ _เฒ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stand back, gotta practice my stabbing!
Slipsonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs!
MMTKK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
trinatashonda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this guy stabs.
Demojen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was just practicing her stabbin'.
donotkickmonkeys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we should stab anyone.
EViLTeW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should use a spoon.
gladtoknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think correctly. Like if you are going to cut someone's hand off, start at the tip of each finger, and slowly make your way down one by one. Durr, don't let em just feel it once.
0xD34D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F**k painful, lethality should have been the only option here.
Fuego_Fiero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just use a spoon
Le_T3k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooor Papercut! IZiz the worst!
(ยฌโฟยฌ)
GuacamoleKick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cut his heart out with a spoon.
Imgurbannedme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
TrojanBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pro tip: use a spoon. It's a lot more work but it hurts like hell.
mikeytherock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/nocontext
N7_Tinkle_Juice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will carve your heart out, with a spoon!!!!
Notrightnowyadont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs.
Ghostbuster_119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want death by a thousand cuts?
Go ahead.
LetsRaidTogether ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death by thousand cuts seems fitting
capacillyrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
alligatorterror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dialing 911... yo ass is scary.
TheSoonerfan444 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
yourbrofessor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs.
BrotherBodhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never start with the head, the victim gets all... groggy
Nightchade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever try a spoon? Lots more effort, but there's a direct correlation between effort and satisfaction, I hear. Seriously, stuff like this case makes me wish old school Scandinavian viking rape laws were still a thing. See, back in the day, if someone raped a woman, it was totally legal to murder that person. And the only way to really solve the problem of molestation is to feed the perp a bullet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
DeathhAngel27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs.
certciv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs.
KidsInTheSandbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jessica Beal will like a word with you.
cschmidt0525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/unethicallifeprotips
andrewornot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're going for pain you use a rusty butterknife :)
omarskullbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lookout, guys, we got a badass here...
justin_memer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except getting stabbed doesn't hurt from what I've gathered, they say it's like getting punched. Could be wrong though.
free_farts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm.
innocuous_gorilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this guy stabs!
aaronmayfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus blunted blade more nerve damage more pain. I've been cut with a pretty sharp knife before and it feels like nothing.
Bid325 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But...It Will Kill
LoveThatChin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death by thousand cuts
2DamnBig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the tip, stranger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/UUuXfyfCaL4
macarthurville ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy stabs
VictorLizcano77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Besides scumbag might still be alive and ready to serve his time in prison.
seeingeyegod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fight not to the death, but to the pain!
Dr__Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, I mean you'd certainly want him to suffer, but the most important thing would be that he died. Because it's probably the only way he won't do it again if he gets the chance. Fuck paedophiles.
Anarchistnation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the next Aileen Wuornos or Annie Wilkes type of psychopath will thank you for your great ideas and the precedent you've all set for normalizing vigilante justice. Just claim the guy tried to rape you or some kid, instantly justified murder. How fun!
Aumnix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the hand of a trained killer, you can easily puncture more arteries... severing several at once, you'd bleed out quick.
lafleurcynique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like my mom! She is the fiercest momma bear alive. Also good to know.
pixel_juice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On many sides...many sides.
Tsmeuoath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/zdYSdRTjfzE
Madly_Maxie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use a spoon
Rishua11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Was stabbed by small Swiss pocket knife in butt. It hurt.
ThisHereMine ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:20:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not, his type tend not to do well in jail. He may want to just die before he gets there.
MagicJay ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:12:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope the mother will not get charged for protecting her child. Often the law has ridiculous sentencing ways.
My friend for example got sued, because he kicked an attackers ass, who tried to stab him.
The reason: he did more than necessary for self defense (he broke the guys jaw).
Ishouldbepolite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:53:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. you're not allowed to get your own revenge in many places.
once you've subdued the person it for the justice system to punish them and you're not allowed to keep kicking him to get as much damage in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What country? That's disgusting.
madogvelkor ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:42:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knife wounds are tricky. Typically they kill via blood loss, or possibly organ damage with larger knives. A small knife could be more deadly than a large one, depending on whether or not an artery was cut.
Unlike gunshots wounds, which typically kill via shock from the tissue damage before bloodloss.
Arkanin ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:23:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know if intentional trolling, but this is completely wrong. You can't mean shock in the most literal medical sense, so I assume you are alluding to the hydrostatic shock "theory" of ballistics wounds. Hydrostatic shock is not mainstream science. Blood loss and organ damage are unequivocally what kills, not a magical hydrostatic force. A gunshot's force does produce a temporarily enlarged wound cavity, but it's not simple or clear how much the distortion caused by the temporary cavity contributes to the overall blood loss and organ damage compared to permanent wound channels. To say more here is not feasible -- the topic contains too much information to properly explain in the 1-2 sentences this subreddit has the patience for.
iAMADisposableAcc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:34:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a resource to learn more about this? I'm very interested.
Arkanin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:15:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't recommend a specific textbook that thoroughly covers gunshot wounds from a medical point of view. At best, you can pull research papers debating hydrostatic shock and gunshot wounding mechanisms, but that's about it.
In actual fact, I'm oversimplifying when I say that hydrostatic shock is a myth. It's just so controversial, poorly understood, and potentially unimportant that it might as well be treated by the public as medical misinformation. Nobody disputes that there is an abrupt pressure change to the circulatory system caused by creating a hole in the body. However, the general idea behind hydrostatic shock is that a greater initial pressure wave delivered to the circulatory system at the moment of impact exacerbates injuries or incapacitates. That is, hydrostatic shock posits that the pressure extered on the body during hole creation is more important than the severity of the hole in the body. I'm extremely doubtful that this is a significant part of the wounding mechanism because the pressure wave itself is on par with what some kidney stone devices deliver (granted - they aren't opening up your heart while they work).
This makes hydrostatic shock a problematic concept because many or even all injuries laypeople and even military professionals call "hydrostatic shock" may be effects of the pressure changes associated with receiving a wound and/or CNS/circulatory trauma, organ damage, (medical) shock, or blood loss, not the pressure wave initially delivered by the bullet. Bullets with high hydrostatic shock quotients have other factors that make them far more destructive to the body as well - they tend to create larger and/or more numerous wound channels. So it's reasonable to ask to what extent the pressure wave of the initial impact matters compared to the rest of the trauma.
tl;dr: Hypothetically, if a bullet goes in, doesn't tumble or fragment, and goes right back out, does it make a difference to the circulatory system whether it did so at 700 or 1500 FPS? If your answer is "yes" you believe that hydrostatic shock is important. But in many such hypothetical situations it would not be important, and in the situations where it would or could be, it's not especially well-understood medically. Moreover, many of the differences in wounding potential reported by soldiers may be due to other wounding mechanisms they don't understand - their understanding of "shoot guy with big, fast bullet, and guy dies way more often" is completely justified, but hydrostatic shock may not be (in my opinion is almost never) the correct explanation.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:37:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if only there were some sort of searchable global connected information network.
oh well, maybe we'll learn about hydrostatic shock in science class.
iAMADisposableAcc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's lots of bullshit everywhere. This person seems like someone who has already vetted information and knows a good source. I would just read about it on Wikipedia, but I'm sure there's something better.
peekaayfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's not really a singular IT. The guy is obviously leveraging medical knowledge as well..so go start at anatomy and physiology and work your way up to postmodern ballistic theory
iAMADisposableAcc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great, now I have the name for my band's next album
shillbert ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The theory that bullet wounds are a social construct designed to oppress women by associating them with a cause of pain and death through the wound's resemblance to a vagina?
jdovew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you know, modern ballistics knowledge. No need to explore future theories of ballistics.
peekaayfire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post modern is typically referencing a way of thinking moreso than a time period
https://www.slideshare.net/tellingquarrel434/difference-between-modernism-and-postmodernism
Whind_Soull ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:07:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really depends on the specific firearm. High-powered rifles cause considerable hydrostatic shock, while handguns rely more on fluids-out-air-in.
Mighty_Fine_Shindig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Sucking chest wounds are bad news.
Whind_Soull ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:41:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A sucking chest wound is nature's way of telling you to slow down."
hitssquad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an old myth. It doesn't make any difference if the fluids remain contained by the skin or not.
Tintenlampe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna need a source on the assessment of gunshot wounds.
If you don't manage to hit the heart, brain or both lungs I would say it's unlikely to die from organ damage from gunshot wounds before you bleed out.
Generally, I always learned that massive blood loss is the major immediate problem with gunshot wounds.
LandOfTheLostPass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I took a hunting class a number of years ago, the instructor was very clear that you were shooting for the heart and/or major arteries connected to it. If you can damage those major blood vessels, blood pressure drops off fast enough that the animal is rendered unconscious almost instantly and death follows a short while after. Miss that shot and you're going to be chasing the animal through the brush until it bleeds out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you got your source about the shock part, but you might want to double check.
madogvelkor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, apparently I was misinformed....
Amedais ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure you understand what shock is.
SendPicsOfPicsOfTits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All deaths are caused by some sort of shock.
Headbangerfacerip ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:14:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it won't be once he's inside as a pedo
elainegeorge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd probably get a little stabby too seeing my child being raped by a pedo.
ItsMcSwagginz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad he is still breathing
HKei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, she too. It's good that he didn't die, so he had the chance to incriminate himself and verify the woman's story.
bsteven5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I disagree. Luck would have been if she DID use the kitchen knife. Soon he's going to be living the very envious life of a pedifile in prison.
BambooGamer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's gonna have a fun time in prison with all the respect he'll get from the other prisoners who just adore child molesters. /s
thenewmanium ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't need that tag. It's almost a cliche that kid fuckers aren't popular among the prison population
smartredditor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mother is lucky, too. She might not face charges for this stabbing, but if she would have killed him, she almost certainly would go to jail for manslaughter. If everything in this story turns out to be true, she probably responded with just the right amount of force.
jackalsclaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:39 on December 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, I can't find a case where a parent killed a rapist and went to jail. In fact the opposite: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-jay-maynor-ellie-nesler-child-molesters-justice-20140616-story.html
wrecktvf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how long he'll be feeling lucky for. We all know how much other prisoners like fellow inmates with child sex crimes convictions. :)
pussyonapedestal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah vigilante justice is lit
CharlesManson420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost as lit as defending child molesters amirite
pussyonapedestal ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is saying "maybe they shouldn't be ass raped in prison" defending their crimes?
CharlesManson420 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:05:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize he didn't imply rape at all? Child molesters are heavily disliked in prison by pretty much everyone, they don't have to rape him to fuck with him.
Nomorelie5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean to tell me he's not dead. What a waste.
Meatchris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the knife was too long, she may have stabbed the poor girl
barkingbusking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"woah woah woah! save some of that chumo for us!"
-prison system
He's not lucky. It won't be long before he'll be wishing she had used a kitchen knife, too.
TheGreyMage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shame it still is. I I'm perfectly comfortable saying that this scumbag should die. He should be executed (and normally I'm strongly against execution). I'd kill him if I were her.
catimirputin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He won't be breathing long once he's convicted if he is. Prisoners do not take kindly to child abusers.
the-real-apelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how lucky he'll feel when he's in jail.
acesarge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that be a shame...
on_my_lunch_break ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if by "he's lucky" you mean "it's too bad that..."
EktorBaboden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad he didn't die. Inmates in jail make child rapists life a living hell once they discover what they are in for.
agentorgy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why we don't just throw people like this off cliffs. there is rehabilitation for these people. fuck dude
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's unfortunate the mother used a pocket knife instead of a kitchen knife. Otherwise with five stabs to the chest and one to the head, it's unlikely his child raping ass would still be breathing.
*FTFY
Anarchistnation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's unlikely the mother would face any backlash over vigilante justice at all. Nice precedent, copycat psychopaths everywhere are forever in society's debt.
RMCPhoto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pain induced by small knife wounds and the shame of carrying both the scars and the memory of his actions (plus any legal charges) may be more punishment than a swift death.
We can only hope that the head wound is highly visible so that people will ask him about it for the rest of his life.
"How'd you get that scar on your head?"
raping a child...dies a little more inside "A...machine shop accident"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends entirely on the pocket knife.
This is my EDC - going to cause some serious damage. :)
ender323 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A knife is pretty much the worst self defense weapon you could choose. I carry a knife for utility purposes, but I'd be more likely to just leave it in my pocket and fight with my fists.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you see, that's why I also usually carry a gun. I'll use the knife as a backup, but the thing about using a knife in a fight like that is that people expect you to use it first, they don't expect you to still treat every other part of your body as a weapon as well: if you treat the knife as just a slightly more lethal implement weapon while still using your other hand, elbows, knees, legs, etc.... it's a lot harder say it's a worse weapon in that instance.
CannedCheese006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or unlucky. Might be better off dead in his eyes than having to suffer the rest of his life in prison which will hopefully happen. Gets the best of both punishments. A good ol stabbing and a good ol time out
selahbrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do most people breathe through their ass?
buzznights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him in the back of the head. You have to have some force going to stab someone in the back of the head. A kitchen knife would have been much more useful but then we wouldn't get to hear his ridiculous rationalization.
Talpss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're not lucky then.
RikiSanchez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is worse, death by a thousand cuts or live with 999 cuts
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didnt grab a bigger knife or a bullet.
WhoresAndWhiskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that he hasn't been arrested on something probably means there is more to this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely unrelated, did reddit make changes to the reporting system - AGAIN - so I can't make witty reports anymore such as "The ass is not a part of the respiratory system"?
Edit: Never mind, it's the nazi moderators who did this.
By the way, the ass is not part of the respiratory system.
Cade_Connelly_13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a big whonking French chef knife which I have lying around from my college days. ONE stab from that mother and you're shaking hands with St. Peter. I still get the willies just using it to chop vegetables to this day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame really. I wish she had a gun.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, too much risk to hit the kid in that situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pocket knives your biggest threat to life is bleeding to death. One of my kitchen knives could go through the lung and come out the other side... Of an anorexic person, that is. Otherwise it'd probably just get through the lung. Pretty much instadeath either way though.
WaylonJenningsFoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That fucker deserved the butcher knife.
stockbuyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab and twist that mofucka
lotekjeromuco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sucks she didn't kill him.
Carsonlt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's lucky and we're unlucky.
Coiltoilandtrouble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still unlikely. I image he is going to prison
fergiejr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now he is in serious pain, and going to jail....
I'm very Pro Stabbing of Pedos! Go lady go!
MetalGearJeff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically molestation. Molestating ass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a shame that she didn't. That kid is probably going to be fucked up for years even having experienced it at that young age before she could understand the gravity of what happened. That doesn't even touch the surface of how the mother feels. To be so selfish, deviant and disgusting to hurt another human being like he did, he deserved it. I hope he gets life in prison, which sounds ironic but its cheaper for us and is going to degrade his mind to the point where he wishes she had a bigger knife.
Chimpbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd wager it would depend upon the size of the pocket knife. Some of them can be rather large.
iliketoes_forgot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Prison has rules about that kind of stuff.
Blerbina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a guy get bayoneted to the head for like 2 minutes straight by ISIS, a shot to the forehead is what took him out so he would of lived for a bit. Still remember the thud his head made each time the he was hit...
RubItOnYourShmeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who stabbed someone 7 times with a pocket knife and most certainly killed him. He is serving 4-7 for justifiable homicide as we speak.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RubItOnYourShmeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may be wrong about the details. The guy was my cellmate briefly. He is now in MCI Shirley. Maybe he plead to manslaughter, but we do not have self defence protection in MA.
Edit: He plead to manslaughter. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/03/13/everett-man-sentenced-years-boston-manslaughter-case/DNDWWN122x7dRQOIzhabYL/story.html
Itsyaboioutofgold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd use the term lucky loosely. Nobody's lucky this bastards alive.
dmcdd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had to use a small knife so that it had no chance of going all the way through and injuring the real victim.
Aracnida ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NSFWLink for you Sir!
nanoH2O ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of mom just happens to have a pocket knife on hand? Must have been a girl scout
rusthashbeansc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but what if the mother and daughter are lying?
HockeyPaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work in hospitals;
We had a person stab another person with a 3" pocket knife and knick their aorta. Died on the table.
As I can specifically, personally, attest to: size doesn't necessarily matter.
Insomniacrobat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame he still is.
fihewndkufbrnwkskh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh. I think I'd prefer death over severe pain and jail and being a registered pedophile.
RubbishBinJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone should carry a Zero Tolerance pocket knife, those can definitely finish the job.
sdneidich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like turtles
designgoddess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The key is to have the right knife for the job. They'd find a broken pocket knife blade in the guys neck and maybe one other if I had my way.
rabidmob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we're not lucky :(
Madly_Maxie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mother did that once...
09Klr650 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right size knife, wrong target. Should have cut lower on the body. Say, Bobbett height.
TheOldSchoolDropOut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's ok. Prison will finish the job.
AHrubik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He won't be for long. Child rapists don't last long in prison. I don't support vigilante justice unless you're legitimately Batman but if it's going to happen I'm somewhat satisfied it happens to child rapists.
Obio1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know he did it?
meatboat2tunatown ยท 10043 points ยท Posted at 13:42:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like an appropriate response to me. Feel bad for the daughter, tho.
lthomazini ยท 3228 points ยท Posted at 15:06:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel bad for the daughter, but I'm glad she will grow up knowing what he did is not normal and that her mother will protect her no matter what. This is not usually what happens.
redditshy ยท 560 points ยท Posted at 15:13:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So true.
elmuchocapitano ยท 524 points ยท Posted at 15:36:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This! I wonder how long this had been happening and the daughter hadn't said anything because of what the boyfriend maybe made her believe? It should be clear to her now who was in the wrong, and that she can tell her mom if anyone tried to hurt her in the future.
Kind of unrelated but my best male friend that I used to live with, when someone was potentially trying to break into our house, immediately grabbed a bat and told me to stay in my room. It actually made me less worried about break-ins in the future because I knew he would defend us. It's really comforting to know that in a dangerous situation, someone's split-second instinct is to protect you.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 555 points ยท Posted at 16:29:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super unrelated, but any time my wife or kids think they hear a noise downstairs at night, I march down there like fucking Genghis Khan and check everything out. It's never anything but I just want them to know Dad's got this.
Aloramother ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 16:43:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a sword in my bedroom I carry with me. Maybe it isn't a gun but I bet a 4'11 woman naked coming down the stairs with a steel sword would chase off most minor criminals.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 17:05:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right -- until he tells his buddies, and pretty soon all the crooks in the area are down in your kitchen, knocking a cup off the table just to see you come down the stairs naked before they scatter.
the_boomr ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, cause they would just scatter...
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:58:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NinjaLanternShark ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 17:08:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would think the shiny steel sword generates the "fear factor" you're looking for in chasing off a small-time thug. Hopefully her goal isn't to engage in actual battle.
KDizzle340 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:35:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then what'd I bring this medieval set of armour for?!
mahasattva ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:33:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, I trust u/NinjaLanternSharks's opinion on swords. Not sure why.
brainburger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swords take skill to use properly though.
divajedi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:14:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Metal baseball bat is best. Shiny like a sword while it swings faster and hits harder than a wooden bat.
Edit: and then you get that satisfyingly loud and resonating bink when you connect with the skull.
Random-Rambling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are metal bats better? I'd think a wooden one would absorb impact better.
Drachefly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:03:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stiffer, lighter. I think they're better overall than wooden bats.
divajedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possible? But for a smaller frame (OP IS 4'11") a metal bat would be much easier to swing while maximizing damage.
heffleyka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well metal bats are able to hit baseballs farther than wooden bats so is that due to the material used in making the baseball or the ability to swing the lighter bat faster? idk i hated physics class in highschool.
i_comment_late ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't have that sharp edge tho
Aloramother ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:42:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't mind guns but my dad gave me the sword and I don't own a bat. It's a convenient thing more than a well thought out one
A-HuangSteakSauce ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:18:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you were really tough you'd whip out a lightsaber.
Drachefly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you were really imaginaryโฆ
FallionFawks ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:05:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swords are made to be swung and have about the same range as a bat. If you already have a sword I would think that would be the preferred weapon. They are also much lighter and so would be easier to swing and harder to catch because of the sharp bits.
Also bats are common and might not scare the person. Swords would definitely elicit a WTF is wrong with this person from me.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:44:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, hold the sword high and shriek some crazy-sounding words in a made-up language. Really sell the idea that they do not want to mess with you.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:09:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Charsatan ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm, which one was used in warfare for thousands of years? Bats or swords? ๐ค
I guess the old saying goes: "Stick and stones may break my bones but swords never hurt me."
Madking321 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:02:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both actually! You can't penetrate armor with a sword, you need a blunt instrument to deal kinetic damage, so like a mace or spiked club.
Drachefly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โฆor a sword held by the end of the blade (while wearing hand protection, preferably).
Madking321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, strike em with the pommel.
What kinda gauntlets though? You can do it with your bare hands, but leather gloves would be handy to stop your from cutting yourself.
Drachefly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, leather would do it for most handling, but if you give a really good whack, leather could leave you stung a lot more in the fingers than you would be with metal. And that's assuming it wasn't really quite sharp.
Madking321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt the sword could cut thru leather at all. Properly prepared leather is extremely tough.
And to be frank ideally you don't want metal on the bottom of the hand, it's hard to get a good grip on the sword when your hand and the sword are separated by metal.
Drachefly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
probably right - I was thinking of less tough leather than it can be made to be.
Charsatan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is not the same as a bat. And knights will not loot your house in the 21st century.
Madking321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A spiked club is quite literally just a bat with spikes on it. Loot my house?! I thought we were talking about overall warfare?
spacetug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A club or mace is better, because more of the weight is concentrated at the end, so it hits harder. Also, spikes let you punch through steel armor.
Madking321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, a club is way better against armor than a sword as i pointed out. But, you can't punch thru proper steel plate armor with a spike.
If you have a spear it's not going to pierce the armor, so you would ideally want to go for the gaps.
dragonatorul ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:10:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious and curious: have you held and swung a well made sword to compare with how a baseball bat feels? If so what's the difference?
Personally, I haven't, but theoretically I'd still go with the sword because it's more versatile, less likely to break, as another commenter said it has a bigger WTF factor, and I personally think swords are cooler than baseball bats. True, it has the downside of possibly getting stuck in things, if you swing it like a baseball bat, but it's not supposed to be used like that in the first place. Not primarily at least.
Edged swords, be it single or double edged, are most commonly meant to be swung in a slash movement for better cutting. That means holding the tip back a bit and pushing the center forwards and "down" a bit, whereas with a baseball bat you would swing with the tip "first" and on the outside for greater smashing force.
The versatility of a sword as opposed to a baseball bat comes in close combat, where a sword can be used for cutting, stabbing, smashing with the flat, and cannot easily be wrestled out of the holder's grasp. With a baseball bat, once your attacker is closer than swinging range your options are more limited. An attacker that is more powerful than you can also easily grab the bat and wrestle it out of your grasp.
Swords usually weigh around 1kg, with longswords coming to 1.5-2kg. Most women should be able to relatively easily handle a 1kg sword, especially if it is well balanced, and dexterity can be argued is as important as strength in sword fighting. And yes, there are martial arts classes these days which teach revived martial styles of swordfighting re-learned from manuscripts and treaties from medieval times.
I'd also imagine there's a reason why for thousands of years men have went to the battlefield with swords rather than bats.
LastGrimoireSchwarz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? The bat wins in a home invasion situation. The average person doesn't know how to keep the geometry of a blade steady enough to correctly cut into a target nor do they know how to correctly leverage their body to get the most out of a edged weapon and that's before you add in stressors like realizing someone has broken into your house and may possible be armed. You mess up the angle of your swing by a 1/4 of an inch and a decently made vinyl jacket will mitigate much of the lethality of the weapon. Will it still injure the guy? Yeah but it'll be mostly superficial.
A bat or any blunt force weapon for that matter is pretty much idiot-proof. Even if you just flail wildly at an aggressor, it's going to cause plenty of physical harm. Additionally, the heavier wooden bat is actually better for people with less muscle strength because the weight of the bat does most of the work.
On top of that, you'd need an actual combat ready sword. Not some cheap wall hanger from the flea market. Talking $100-120 minimum and that's for a entry level katana, meant for single wrap tatami. European swords tend to cost even more.
Madking321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must disagree with you saying they are that hard to use, certainly harder to use than a club, but not to that degree.
I should point out that you can also stab with a sword, it's good to stop the aggressor from getting close.
ocultada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just buy a shotgun ;)
dragonatorul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:44:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really an option in most of the world outside the US.
LastGrimoireSchwarz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the route I've taken myself lol. Rack the slide once and if you don't hear them GTFO, shoot first ask questions later.
FallionFawks ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:20:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swords are definitely easier to swing. That is their whole purpose. They are about the same weight but the sword is weighted in the center to be fast and the bat is weighted at he far end to deliver max force. So not useful inside really. I'm not saying go get yourself a sword. But if she has one already it is definitively a better weapon than a bat. There is a reason they use machetes in Africa and not bats to scare the population. I'd be more scared of a kitchen knife than a bat inside.
dragonatorul ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:57:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Machetes in Africa were actually needed to navigate through the thick underbrush of jungles or thick vegetation areas where paths wouldn't otherwise exist, or would be overgrown quickly.
FallionFawks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, I wasn't implying Machetes were in Africa to scare people. Most folks around here have them for the same reason, woods tend to get overgrown.
I was trying to point out that on a scale of weapons, club is near the bottom. Since she already has a knife / sword then that is a superior thing to defend yourself with.
Clearly i'm really bored today since this is the conversation I am having.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:22:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FallionFawks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ad hominem
I'm assuming you are just trolling now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FallionFawks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same about you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FallionFawks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, see you there...
meubem ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:18:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swords make me think of exercise-averse weebs. I would feel negative intimidation from that.
Sleep_Everyday ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:59:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You tryin' to stab a dude or hit a home run?
meubem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most swords I've seen at weeb houses are dull as fuck, like props. I doubt they'd cut anyone. A machete on the other hand would scare me proper. A baseball bat will fuck you up easily too. It can easily force concussions, cave in a skull, break bones.
Sleep_Everyday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. Honestly a weeb would have to be holding a nuclear device for me to be afraid of them causing harm.
Madking321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but a proper sharp sword is another thing. The main advantage of a sword being it's pointy and can be used to stop the aggressor from getting close.
meubem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a betting man I'd put money on most swords in America being prop replicas sold at comic conventions, and thus not sharp. I know real swords are sold here but I doubt they are as common as Final Fantasy and anime fanboy replicas.
Madking321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah that goes without saying, if it's not a proper sword it's gonna be garbage. I'm just saying it's going to have pretty sizeable merits if it's an actual sword.
sacrecide ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:10:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just stab instead of slashing, its not like the robber has a sword/shield to block with.
Madking321 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swords aren't really clunky. The only real risk of a sword getting stuck is in your opponent's body.
Given a bat is easier to use, but the sword is regardless more effective than the bat when you hit with the edge.(Which aint hard to do)
Also take into account that you can stab with most swords which is useful when you don't want whoever you're fighting to get close or if you're fighting in close confines.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Madking321 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:46:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figure that if you stab deep enough for a full sword to get stuck and become irretrievable then it's deep enough to cause significant blood loss.(Plus if you keep a firm grip they're likely to pull themselves off the blade in an attempt to escape)
I figure you use the same muscles to swing a sword and to swing a bat. I mean you could literally just think of a sword as a pointy bat.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Rippopotamus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a club(baseball bat) is a better weapon then why did people spend so much time and money developing swords for fighting? Why did they even bother if the club is a better weapon.
I'm inclined to trust thousands of years of warfare more than some 20 year old kid on Reddit. On top of that if every single person is disagreeing with you like in this thread you're probably not a genius who is right over everyone else, you're probably the one that's wrong.
Madking321 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:24:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI you triple posted
Madking321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, you're just an ass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Madking321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, you're just full of it, i bet you never dueled with a sword in your life.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:07:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Madking321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You certainly sound like a rich prick...
Oh please, you're just trolling at this point. Oh well, no point in talking to a troll i guess, goodbye, have a lovely day.
chadonsunday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Bow and arrow is obviously a superior burglar deterrent.
Rippopotamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a club(baseball bat) is a better weapon then why did people spend so much time and money developing swords for fighting? Why did they even bother if the club is a better weapon.
I'm inclined to trust thousands of years of warfare more than some 20 year old kid on Reddit. On top of that if every single person is disagreeing with you like in this thread you're probably not a genius who is right over everyone else, you're probably the one that's wrong.
Rippopotamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a club(baseball bat) is a better weapon then why did people spend so much time and money developing swords for fighting? Why did they even bother if the club is a better weapon.
I'm inclined to trust thousands of years of warfare more than some 20 year old kid on Reddit. On top of that if every single person is disagreeing with you like in this thread you're probably not a genius who is right over everyone else, you're probably the one that's wrong.
AaronSF ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:23:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she should have stabbed him six times with a bat?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dragonatorul ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you! Do you keep your sword sharp? There are some classes that teach sword fighting martial arts based on studies of medieval manuals and treaties. If you do keep it sharp maybe you should look into some of those. Might reduce the risk of harming yourself if you wield the sword.
I don't know about you, but I'm a big and hefty man and I'm very likely to hurt myself or others if I were to wield a sharpened sword, especially in a stressful situation.
Aloramother ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sharp enough that it'll hurt but I can touch the edge without cutting myself. My father gave it to me as a housewarming gift and he sharpens it.
Classes sound fun though!
dragonatorul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can touch very sharp edges without getting cut as long as you only press down on the edge. The moment you slide along the edge even a little is when you get cut.
I plan on looking for some classes like that myself as soon as I get in better shape.
Entish_Halfling ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:07:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judging from the other comment I guess some guys don't find this attractive in a woman. Thankfully, I'm not a guy. And I have excellent taste in ladies, if I do say so myself. You're fucking awesome.
Aloramother ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:44:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha thanks! Well I don't do it to be attractive so that's OK :)
ForcrimeinItaly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:45:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi from another 4'11 woman. No sword by my bed but my cat is an asshole and that Pyrex bong by the bed would work well in a pinch.
JDraks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While you were out partying I studied the blade.
Kagamid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously get a tanto instead. Less likely to hit something other than the criminal when swung in the house.
poopsicle88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naked? You may wanna re think the strategy some of these guys are thirrrssty
dben89x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/justlegbeardthings
guardianrule ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd start jacking, but then again I wouldn't break in either.
momandpopheir ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that even more important is a very loud alarm. I'm alarmed by the ease with which women discuss physical aggression. The woman from the article has not proved anything regarding her ability to fight. 1) she was facing someone weak enough to go after a 12 year old. 2) foremost in the man's head is to convince the woman to not tell the cops. 3) He doesn't want to add any charges to what could be a de facto death sentence (child molester in prison). There is an irresponsible message going out to women in the western world "#badass". It's coming most notably from G of Ts, Wonder Woman(I guess, haven't seen WW), and perceptions of stories like this.
poopsicle88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk dude there's some girls at my bjj gym that would fuck you up probably. Some girls are vicious.
But I get what your saying
But how many times have you heard some little bitch say he would kick someone's ass and you're just like yea uh huh sure buddy
momandpopheir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many times I have heard a guy say something like that. The "#badass" seems like a new trend though. There is a good chance the girls at your gym have an understanding of the randomness of a violent encounter. I was reading on reddit of a guy who trained martial arts for 10 years after the Marines; he was charged at by a guy with a wrench at a construction site; he set up for a head kick and slipped on a screw - cracked his head. Luckily there was a bunch of folks there to restrain the attacker. That is why I mention a loud alarm - trying to help.
poopsicle88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keno - "But i can fight." Splinter - "They fight because they must... but it is the last choice for the true ninja. Used unwisely, it becomes a double-edged sword. "
The first thing they teach you in any martial art is the best option is to just run away if you can. Only fight if you have to.
The #badass thing I'm not sure if you meant just pertained to women or what but there has been a surge in female protagonists types in media recently, most notably characters like arya stark, brienne, Wonder Woman, Jessica jones etc.
Now does that give females a false idea of their combat abilities, perhaps. Probably as much as guys get. Like Mac from Philadelphia. Jabroni thinks he could do a backflip into a spinning kick and knock out three guys. But in reality would pee themselves.
But I'm def a fan of girls wanting to know how to protect themselves and kick ass if necessary, so if that inspires some girls to train then I'm all for it. I know if I have daughters, they'll get stuck in BJJ training until they are at least purple belts
momandpopheir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:29 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a fan too. Had to pull teeth with my mom to get her to a free self defense class. BJJ is miles away from an incredibly small woman threatening a home invader with a sword and her nudity.
Yes #badass pertains to the recent surge in women protagonists, anti heros, and villains. I use the hashtag a bit mockingly. The message is insidious; in this thread the fact that the woman is under 5' is ... I don't know... celebrated? As part of her martial prowess?
I gave advice regarding a loud alarm and was down voted.
jhuskindle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:48:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single.mom here but I have a taser and a butcher knife and NO ONE is getting to my child. Or my dogs. Maybe my Chihuahua cause she's like a bat out of hell. With the two of us no single male could take us. There's something about the boiling rage of a threat to your child that turns off everything but your will to protect. I'm a short small woman but my butcher knife is long and I was ready the day my kid was born.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smart thinking having that Chihuahua on the team. He'll distract and confuse them, but sounds they couldn't catch him if they tried. Gives you time to plan your assault.
j_B00G ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:37:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both my mom and my dad did this for us. Now I tell my dad to chill because "I got this pops"
janbrunt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:13:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had just moved into our house and we heard a banging sound downstairs. My husband creeped downstairs, pistol in hand... to discover the washing machine was unbalanced.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife would love it if your husband would shoot our washing machine. It makes noise whether it's balanced or not...
chinika4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awwww that's the sweetest thing I've read
Varniepoos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last night I was struggling to get to sleep and just as I drifted off, my dog (usually very quiet) started barking hysterically downstairs. I jumped out of bed expecting my boyfriend to be right there in front of me when I switch the bedroom light on. Instead, he slowly takes his eye mask off and ask me what's up. I tell him that I think something is going on downstairs and he just says "huh?". Frustrated with his nonchalance, I run downstairs alone ready to fight someone with my bare hands (the baseball bat was on my boyfriends side of the bed tucked into the back of the mattress) and I hasten to mention I am only 5'1 and not really up for the challenge but fuck it my safety is being compromised.
Luckily, he was just barking at the window so I guess he heard a cat or fox outside and so I didn't actually have murder anyone. Good to know I'm protected...
HeughJass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super Duper unrelated, I'm really craving some soda but I'm trying to be healthy so either I drink it and feel bad or I don't drink it and I crave it and feel bad. Woooo๐
crownsloth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My roommate has only seen me naked one time, and it was because a minor earthquake caused a glass to fall off the counter downstairs. I didn't feel the earthquake but the glass breaking woke me up, and I was downstairs with my pistol before she could get to her door. Doubt she'll ever get tired of telling me "how fucking ridiculous I look holding a gun without any pants on"
has_no_name ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing this right!! :)
My dad is 62 now, but he's still my superhero.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this your dad?
zeonchar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
silentangel99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a single mom and when I hear a noise at night I freak out but still go out there with my heart in my hand and check it out. I'm so easily scared because what could weak old me do!! But still gotta do it.
Three_Scarabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think my wife would do that for me ;)
feralsun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gosh. You just gave me memories of my dad running out at night in his underwear with a machete. This was in central America. There was growling. Turned out a pack of dogs was mauling a street pony. Dad rescued the pony. My family nursed it back to health, and gave it to an old man who loved it as a pet.
KnowOneHere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was beautiful man
redditor4258 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:54:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes. as a social worker I can tell you that trauma when handled properly can make people stronger rather than weaker. And immediately doing something about it, letting the victim know it is a big deal and not normal, and providing protection and support is the best thing a mother can do in this situation. Not what I would have recommended but a strong showing none the less.
lthomazini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think no one would recommend it, but it is hard to judge given the context. I myself wouldn't know what to do. Specially because even though the knife would put her and her kid in danger if it was grabbed by the man, only pushing him over would put them in far greater danger. He was caught in the act and he reacted, but if she wasn't armed he may have reacted far worse.
As a social worker, can you tell us a bit of what usually happens?
redditor4258 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:16:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ussally people don't catch the abuser in the act like this. It comes out later from the kid. And in that case some people call the police some don't right away. Sometimes the kid reports to a teacher or something in which case police and child services are called.
I've never personally come across a case where a sexual abuser was caught in the act. For physical abuse the other parent while call the police and leave. Or fight them. or normalize it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I said this above somewhere. Justice was served, and the daughter will remember that. Too infrequent are the reports of people repelling attackers.
DegenerateWizard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that. It's just when we hear about a mother's boyfriend doing something so heinous, it so often that we hear that the mother was complicit. I don't think it's a "usually what happens" scenario, though.
Edit: but I do get your point, and did upvote.
lthomazini ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:43:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mean that the mother is always complicit. Sometimes the mother doesn't know, sometimes she doesn't live with the kids, sometimes she is complicit because she is abused herself to the point where she has no strength to do anything... there are hundreds of possibilities. Being protected the way this kid was is not what usually happens, that's all.
zincoxidelover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that this is the best way for her to have responded. That mom and daughter will hopefully grow up to have the best closest most empowering relationship ever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope she (the mom) doesn't get charged (yep, nanny America is a zero tolerance state, unless you are a cop)
alwaysusepapyrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a "zero tolerance state," defending someone like this is a valid affirmative defense and a prosecutor wouldn't bother charging because it's pretty cut and dry, and on a more superficial level this has enough public attention that it would be career suicide.
Orennovs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Shows her mother cares.
squidgun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I've read too many stories of mothers taking the boyfriend's side . I'm glad the mother did what she had to do to protect her daughter.
dicephalus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a girl growing up that said that for a few years her mom would frequently let her (the mom's) boyfriend rape her (the preteen daughter) because that was the only way to keep him from dumping her (the mom). What a messed up world we live in.
deadred75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had someone defend me like that when I was younger. Mother/sisters I told let it go on. Finally years later when I told my dad he went after him and stopped it. Messed me up for a very long time.
alwaysusepapyrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the big things that I teach my kids, is that a grown up should never ever ask them to keep a secret from mom and dad, if they do it's because they're trying to hurt someone and they need to tell us right away. And that if anyone ever tells them that anyone in our family would get hurt, that it's a lie because no ones stronger than mom and dad. This shits way more important than "stranger danger" since most abusers are someone they know.
lthomazini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This.
We keep telling kids to be scared of strangers and forget to prepare them for people close by. I'm not telling they should not be aware of strangers, but most cases of abuse are perpetrated by someone from their own family.
When I was little, my mother didn't leave me alone with any man besides my father, in whom she had complete faith. Not an uncle, not a friend. She also didn't put me in anyone's lap. I was allowed not to hug someone if I didn't feel comfortable as well. We push kids into people's intimacy even when they don't want and they can't distinguish what is right or wrong.
Three_Scarabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That, and now she knows not to piss off mom.
Sorry, social work humor.
studentofapassedlife ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 15:11:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she'll grow up thinking that stabbing criminals is ok too
elmuchocapitano ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 15:22:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say stabbing criminals that are trying to rape you might be ok
studentofapassedlife ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:32:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was post rape from what the article says
Edit: y'all are right I misread
Kousetsu ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:35:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah you're right then, she should have just given him a handshake and sent him on his merry way.
P.s. the report says she stabbed him when he was on top of her daughter. Not after.
elmuchocapitano ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like that movie where those kids rob their parents company but they don't get punished because they already did it
CannedCheese006 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read again. It says she stabbed him in a fit of rage when she saw him naked on top of her daughter. That is literally in the moment. Even if it was directly after he tried to rape the daughter, it is definitely okay. Unless you want your daughter to know that after someone has tried to rape you, you just call the cops and politely ask them to stop and leave. Ya...no
TheNorthComesWithMe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defense of self/defense of others is ok.
the_pun_life ยท 2719 points ยท Posted at 13:55:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. The only thing she did wrong was using too small a knife.
rage9345 ยท 1143 points ยท Posted at 14:07:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, good on her for having a pocket knife handy at all times, at least
straydog1980 ยท 665 points ยท Posted at 14:39:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but she's gonna wanna upgrade on that one. Pocket machete at least
[deleted] ยท 483 points ยท Posted at 14:43:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised she had pockets to put a knife in at all.
Reddy_McRedcap ยท 434 points ยท Posted at 14:52:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*purse knife by Gucci
W1D0WM4K3R ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta buy the perfect purse for it though, can't just put it in a discount handbag
ninomtz ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:03:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Gucci handbag is always the best purse to do a stabbing with
RosefaceK ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:06:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or to keep old cell phones to throw at the help when they get out of line
sp4ce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a handbag?
keigo199013 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You laugh, but I actually have a purse knife. I think every proper southern lady should.
slicshuter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Purse-kniiiiiife
For kids!
Reddy_McRedcap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Needs more wrench
Adamskinater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toe knife
potato_ships ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gucci mane?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:14:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NinjaLanternShark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I want way more stuff with me at all times than pockets allow.
I want men to be able to carry purses.
Trade ya?
sir_whirly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh, get a medics bag from an army surplus store. Pockets for days and big enough for tablet and laptops.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh. I ordered this surplus Russian army "courier bag" on eBay. It was horribly stiff and somehow looked super ugly yet still like a purse at the same time.
fleshcanvas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The struggle is real.
KJ6BWB ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 14:53:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want to stab through him into your daughter. Smaller knife is better in that situation, I'd imagine.
System666Crash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasp knife? You know, the one they use in diving? You stab the fucker, press the button and a whole co2 goes straight inside and makes (so they say) an air pocket in size of basketball, which should make nice mess if u push it in head od lungs, doesnt matter tbh..
Choo_Choo_Bitches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the Bill Burr bit where he argues that .22 pistols are the best for defence.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A knife is worst weapon, he can easily overpower her and take the weapon. It's not like people have stabbing training. A gun is only way.
sukazu ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:15:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm not saying it's the case, but is no one fearfull that a crazy woman could literally kill you, and say you were raping her daughter, and somehow endoctrine her to testify, and absolutly no one would look into it ?
KJ6BWB ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:39:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there's circumstantial evidence, like the level of engorgement, presence of semen, the guy actually saying that he did it because the daughter wanted it (which he actually said), etc.
iamjamieq ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:52:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely no one would look into it? Do you have any clue how the legal system works? They don't just take the testimony of a 12 year old and her mother as the only evidence of what happened. An investigation would be done. How much they investigate I can't say. And sure, the testimonies would be held in very high regard. But to say absolutely no one would look into it is ridiculous.
To answer your question about being fearful, no, I'm not. I mean, I'm fearful that someone could kill me, but, frankly, I'm not as concerned with what would happen to them after I'm dead because, well, I'd be dead. Yeah, I can say I would prefer my family and friends find justice for me being killed, but personally something being done about it afterward isn't what I'm fearful of.
sukazu ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I do not know how the legal system that change between a lot of countries, specifically works for things I never got subjected to.
I'm not specifically talking about this case aswell
What if the mother say, when she got in the bedroom you were trying to forcefully undress her daughter, while having her tied down, or even that you forced her into oral ? And she was extremely terrified and stabed you fearful for her and her daugters life ?
What possible investigation can be done ? only 3 peoples knows the truth, you can't look for trace of sexual abuse because the mother never said that you actually did it, then what, what happends ?
Not fearful someone can kill me, not fearfull also to get stabed, escape get judged as a pedophile, have your mother be known as the mother of that sick pedophile ? Have everyone on the internet throw shit at you ? no fear about how they gonna treat you as a child rapist in prison also ?
That's some balls of steel
iamjamieq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An investigation would be done. Always. There may not be traces of sexual assault, but there would likely be traces of tying the daughter down, such as abrasions to the skin at her wrists, etc. Forensic investigators can find evidence we wouldn't ever think of in our whole lives.
Now, if you're fearful of that scenario you outlined actually happening, you're honestly worrying yourself for next to nothing. I mean, how often does that scenario actually happen in this world? Obviously that can't be answered by nature of the scenario. But if you don't ever date a woman with a daughter, you're already not going to be in that scenario. At least that one exactly. I mean, the idea that someone would be fearful of this kind of thing happening without that person thinking they may potentially get themself into that situation in the first place, that's just crazy to me. It doesn't take balls of steel to not be fearful of that happening. It's called being aware of things that could get you there. Starting with, who are you dating? Are they the kind of person who would do that sort of thing? Is there anything in your relationship that she might find as reason to do that to you? Honestly, you should worry about real threats, unless this is a real threat to you, in which case you need to find your way out of a situation where you find this to be a threat.
Also, if this actually did happen to you, you need to speak to someone who can help.
painofidlosts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The girl underwent a sexual assault examination at MetroHealth, the report says, the article says. So this time it wasn't a crazy woman doing crazy things, but a crazy man doing crazy things.
Generally speaking, I don't think it's something you should live in fear of, but it's something you should try to prevent. Do not date crazy, do not hang out with them. You'll lose out on the fun they bring, on the crazy sex, and on the murder/slander stabbings.
It's a good deal.
ChickenPotPi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched enough forged in fire to know it should be a bowie or a tanto now
straydog1980 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man i love that show
NinjaLanternShark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until the mom starts dating again in a few years. Shows up to the first date with a Crocodile Dundee machete strapped to her thigh...
XXTwnz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a red handle.
ob_servant1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misspelled sock katana.
aschuhardt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pocket sand! Sha-sha-sha!
The_Guber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5 dollar machete from Walmart. Doesn't really fit in your pocket though.
fuck_bestbuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold steel Raja II. 12 inches when fully deployed
Vaadwaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your pocket machete won't stop my pocket sand! Sh-sh-sha!
_-M-_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pocket Samurai maybe?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BillyRayVirus ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:52:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/edc
ExcerptMusic ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 15:03:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12/F/Student
iPhone 5s/Hello Kitty purse/Orbit Spearmint gum/Spyderco Paramilitary2/Magnum Research Desert Eagle
BillyRayVirus ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:12:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just her weekend carry.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light duty carry, my dude. Weekend carry has the AR and a AC130.
zma924 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chambered in .50AE with the TiN finish of course
CheezyXenomorph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the Endura 4 comes in pink!
melez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Endura 4 also has an Emerson opener option, great for when you need to get to work quickly.
tvtb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a 12 year old fires a desert eagle it will rip their arm off.
Pyrochazm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, that escalated quickly.
KanyeFellOffAfterWTT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love that all the top posts on that sub are shitposts and satire posts.
darman92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's half the reason why I go on that sub lol.
Sir_Pillows ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need a pocket claymore just to be safe
Frankie386 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Always gotta be ready to shank a bitch; ergo, pocketknife.
RightinLeft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal in texas to carry swords now!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great selling point for having a pocket knife
molotok_c_518 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could be more like me. I have a machete.
steveamsp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I'd be sure to add some slice-and-dice along with the stabbing, but having the pocket knife handy is certainly a good start.
Sane123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That made me wonder if she suspected something might be up before the assault took place.
Mattstus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real life Macgiver
romanmind122 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/EDC
zodiki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rule 9. Always carry a knife.
musckles ยท 359 points ยท Posted at 14:31:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather stab a rapist many times with a small paring knife than a large butcher knife. I imagine it being a labor of love.
As a dad, the thought of this happening to my daughter terrifies me.
forsayken ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 14:41:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd be in jail. Probably. Maybe. Depends if the person got a chance to run away. I run pretty fast. I would catch him.
S3erverMonkey ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 14:56:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last few cases I've seen where a parent killed the person raping their child ended with them being found innocent of any wrong doing.
PartnerQuestions ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very least, good luck finding 12 jurors to convict
sir_whirly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if you're in Texas.
Nekopawed ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:17:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they are innocent of any wrong doing.
S3erverMonkey ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, that was my point. That you likely wouldn't end up in jail, because generally things like this are covered by the law, and if not, a judge and jury aren't going to convict a person for killing the person who's raping their child. I mean, it should be pretty explicitly stated in any set of laws that murder is bad, but killing child rapists caught in the act isn't murder.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:35:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another factor is the likelihood of personal harm or death resulting from finding the person in the act. That person may not run, especially if they don't perceive you as a physical threat. They're already demented enough to be in the act, so it's reasonable to think that you might be killed if you don't stop them. You're not trained to stop them without a weapon, and not trained for emergency situations. You're just a civilian who happens to have a knife, and you're using it to defend yourself and a child against further harm of an unknown extent.
Nekopawed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:40:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to say sorry, was just confirming what you said. Also, look up jury nullification. :) it's basically what you're describing.
S3erverMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, I'm already aware of it, though anyone who isn't should look it up. I think it needs to be taught in civics, along with exactly what you can and can't do as a member of a jury. Far to many people are woefully uneducated when it comes to the law, and we end up with poor decisions from juries because of it. Something I think is rather intentional.
Hairy_S_TrueMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the guy talking about chasing the dude down to kill him would go to jail. But if he still poses an imminent danger to your daughter, he's fair game.
S3erverMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't consider it murder if you had to find the person days later to kill. Child rapists shouldn't be allowed to live.
Hairy_S_TrueMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, legally there's a huge distinction. But a jury could always see it your way and neglect to convict.
S3erverMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm saying is that legally you should be well within your rights. You are doing society a favor after all.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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S3erverMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedantry is no longer allowed on Reddit.
XXTwnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What idiot of a prosecutor would even bring charges in a case like that?
S3erverMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, but I'm sure plenty of them exist.
Im_a_peach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Redditors. They're slow to learn and have a thing for little kids.
Xytal ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 14:54:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can sprint pretty fast, but if all else fails, I donโt mind damaging my car to run the person down.
Source: Am father with 2 year old daughter.
CajuNerd ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:05:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dad of a 5 y/o daughter, and I can't imagine what I'd do in the blind rage I'd exhibit if someone even touched my daughter the wrong way. I'm not fast, but I'll be damned if I wouldn't run my feet into nubs to catch a sumbitch who assaulted my little girl.
Xytal ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:08:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldnโt agree more. I feel like Iโd turn into the Joker from The Dark Knight if some bastard touched my daughter.
redalert825 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:22:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You go DC. I'd go Marvel and turn Frank Castle aka Punisher.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:18:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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triplefastaction ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:24:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the underlying issue is you may have latent cannibalistic desires.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Up_Past_Bedtime ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not cannibalism if you don't swallow
CajuNerd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you use the weapon that's available. I think teeth count.
DegenerateWizard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:24:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the father of a 7 year old daughter, I'm enraged right now by a theoretical dude inappropriately touching her. Like on the verge of tears enraged. He'd be flayed.
CajuNerd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:06:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, bud. I'll overhear parents at the grocery store being shitty to their kids and it'll make me want to go to my car, pull out my jumper cables, and beat them.
That's what separates the good parents from the bad; we love, to a certain extent at least, everyone's kids.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:47:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PennyDreadful01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you never got to feel protected by your father.
You'll know once/if you have your own child how it should feel.
Your dad is the problem here, not you.
Hope you're okay.
CajuNerd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:04:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so, so sorry you had/have a shitty dad. Nobody's perfect, and we can only do the best we can, but no one deserves to not have parents who would die for them. I would give up everything for my little girl.
Some people are just broken, I guess. I know it's hard not to be jaded, but know that having shitty parents is never the child's fault, and you can be everything he wasn't.
tvtb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why people are acquitted of acts they definitely did because "temporary insanity."
Ain't no jury in America would convict a dad for killing their child's rapist caught in the act. Just don't go hunting them down days later.
Iwentfishing ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not tough enough sorry.
CajuNerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a sad, angry little dude. Get help.
Iwentfishing ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't beat me up ok.
space_cowboy9000 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:01:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes as a dad with a 2 year old myself, there isn't a force powerful enough in the universe to stop me from hunting down the person who hurts my daughter...
MeatloafPopsicle ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:34:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life isn't a movie. Talking tough doesn't make it true
space_cowboy9000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I realize that...let me put it to you this way, if someone raped your child, would you ever stop looking for that person? Or would you just give up after a few weeks and so "oh well, I guess he got away"...that's all I'm saying, I'm not trying to talk tough and act like a badass or anything, I'm just saying, if someone ever hurts my daughter, I wouldn't stop trying to find that person until the day I died...
MeatloafPopsicle ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok Liam
space_cowboy9000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha ๐ hey I never said that I would find him...odds are probably wouldn't (like you said life isn't a movie) but so help me God I wouldn't stop looking...but you are probably right...maybe I have seen taken one too many times ๐
HelloFr1end ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't back down now! Kick that metaphorical rapist's ass and then kick MeatloafPopsicle's ass.
For real though, awful lot of people being pedantic about your comments for no reason.
Iwentfishing ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 15:16:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't do anything.
space_cowboy9000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:27:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You, sir, our obviously not a father, because once you have a kid of your own, from the moment you are holding that living thing that you helped create in your arms, you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you would do literally anything to keep your child safe...
aheedthegreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some parents wear the "having a kid changed my life, I'm a dad/mom/etc" thing like a tattoo on the forehead. Some parents go out and drink, leaving their kids home alone.
space_cowboy9000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I know, it's sad, but true
Iwentfishing ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 15:46:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe some would but you wouldn't.
space_cowboy9000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch, that is pretty harsh, especially since you don't even know me, but you are entitled to your opinion. personally though, I like to think that it wouldn't just be "some" but rather all parents in general, because as I said, the first time you hold your child in your arms you feel that instant, unconditional love for your child, literally a piece of you...I like to think that there isn't a parent out there that wouldn't do anything for their child's safety...
Nightchade ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:57:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bullet' s cheaper than a visit to the body shop... faster, too.
Xytal ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:59:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt own a gun currently. Besides, donโt get that satisfaction of backing up and going again... just to make sure, ya know? ๐
murdering_time ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, just that feeling of that 'crunch' running over a pedo for the first time would be soooooo satisfying. And then, when they're incapacitated from so many broken bones and internal bleeding; you get out, take their face and put it on the back wheel (or front wheel if your car has FWD) and burn rubber. Make em look like two face.
swiper33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're not just doing this to be edgy, please seek help. You sound like a disturbing person
electronicdream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the username is relevant...
murdering_time ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If thats disturbing to you, man the fuck up cause youre on the internet. Theres literally a sub called /r/watchpeopledie, and no, not subbed to it. Also, its a gag, look at my username. Hope no one else triggers you today.
swiper33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an awful novelty account. Nice try to look badass on the internet man, you're really impressing everyone.
murdering_time ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a novelty account, just a pun based on my username. Its original name is because Im on reddit so much Im not just killing time Im murdering it. But anyways thanks mr social justice warrior, Ill be more careful when making jokes on the internet about killing pedophiles.
swiper33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, you kids use the word every time someone calls you out for being cringey, it's really losing it's meaning at this point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can shot a gun more than once
GetRekdAnally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you fuck up and shoot them in the head they won't feel the rest, ya know?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that could be difference between life in prison and being set free.
maximumecoboost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double tap.
pickledpop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And again and again and again...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knock him down and put a tire over his thigh, and leave it there until the police arrive. After all, you aren't trained in restraining someone, and didn't want him to get away. Not sure if he'd walk on it again. Maybe on his groin instead.
muchado88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes, but my .45 has 8 rounds
Excalibitar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true, but if you want to actually get away with homicide (at least in the US), you need to get yourself a car.
RunsWithSporks ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:04:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same boat here. Anyone molests my 5yo daughter or 3yo son, will probably regret it when I find them.
Iwentfishing ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:17:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I promise you that you would do nothing.
trenchkamen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:56:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is up with you and your cynical-realism-edgelord bullshit? Do you really think you're being the sober voice of reason here? The calm, collected one to call others out on their delusions? To make them reflect on their own mediocrity? Are you just that much smarter than all of these parents? Just that much more self-aware?
It is realistic--REALISTIC--to know that humans do incredible things when driven. That is wisdom. The rage a parent would feel on behalf of a hurt child counts as 'driven'.
Iwentfishing ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:49:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We got a tough guy over here.
HelloFr1end ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you like this?
solofatty09 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:03:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Texas. Kill your daughters molester? We won't even file charges. Some things Texas just does right. This is one of them.
jquiz1852 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:13:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It fucks up many things, but even as libby lib liberal as I am, you touch a child that way, your ass is grass.
babydoll_zebra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that case went that way because the father beat him to death immediately after catching him with his daughter, making it defense of a third party or even diminished capacity. I'm pretty sure if you plan to and track down your child's abuser and kill them you will go to jail.
That being said, I would still track that person down and kill them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He may be faster than me. But noone I've ever heard of can out run a 300 win mag....
julbull73 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually not neccesarily, there was a case in Texas where a Dad found one of his workers raping his daughter. He killed him right then and there with his hands.
He didn't even get charged.
Of note, take a look at Reddit for example. Reddit is probably the most left leaning, softy, pinko, group of people I know. Nobody disagrees with this womans action.
forsayken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I was just kidding. I've read numerous stories over the years of parents or other people basically slaughtering or at the very least beating the living shit out of someone abusing someone else and they weren't charged or any charges were dismissed. I am grateful this is the case. We always hear so many bad things about the justice system.
BurnedOut_ITGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't be in jail long. If I'm on the jury I'm not gonna convict you.
Scolopendra_Heros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just gotta make sure to drag them back inside before the coup de grace
otra_gringa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artisanal rapist-stabbing.
Cinnadillo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I'd want to be sure the guy died unless you can convince me the rest of the guy's human existence was going to be in unique incredible pain
jquiz1852 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:14:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, "call up Pinhead and the Cenobites" unique, incredible pain.
OnlyRoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is, one hearty stab with a large knife is easier to justify than going ballistic with a pocket knife.
redalert825 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, as a dad, I always say I'd go Frank Castle on anyone that hurts my daughter. Let this comment be evidence in the future to my motives, if I ever have to.
impshial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also as a dad, you find that you're more than capable of doing something you would never consider doing in normal settings. I've been in that situation, and never want to be in it again.
I posted this a while back, the story of what happened when my daughter was assaulted.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:45:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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I_Fart_On_Escalators ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a unique username. Incredible.
DeathDevilize ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And there goes our moral highground...
musckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The criminal Justice system often fails. My daughter would be scarred for life and always looking over her shoulder. It would be selfish of me to kill that mean, of course. And I didn't say fuck all about morals and ethics. But at the very least, she'd rest assured at least one piece of shit is taken out of this world.
DeathDevilize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing a rapist currently in action is good, killing one afterwards that that slipped through the justice system is pretty questionable but intentionally killing him slowly is straight up bad.
If you want to do it to do the world a favor you cant allow yourself to take pleasure in sadistic acts like he did.
musckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't dedicate my life to this shit. I dedicate my life to raising my daughter as best I can, and I try doing nothing but putting value into the world in hopes of building a slightly better one for my daughter and all my loved ones.
I don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder, nor do I wear rose tinted glasses. But I do try to be a good ass mofo as much as humanly possible. An event like this is the last time I'd ever want to happen, and I don't spend evenings contemplating what I would do in a scenario like this. Dear goodness, it's the last thing I'd ever want to happen out of all the nightmare scenarios that could possibly exist...
Dragmire800 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question, if you feel you stabbing someone who raped your daughter is justified, you should be content if the parent of a boy your daughter falsely accused of rape stabbed your daughter, right? That only seems fair.
Spaceman2901 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between a reaction catching someone in the moment and something after the fact.
Dragmire800 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:27:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP never specified the time frame of the stabbing in relation to the rape.
diamondflaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but I would agree if the boy was actually raped by the daughter in question. I believe that false accusation for rape is a very serious crime which deserves exposure and significant consequences, but I do not agree that it is an equal crime to the actual act of rape.
Dragmire800 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:33:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being raped ruins the girls life (potentially, sometimes people are strong enough to resume living well), but going to prison for 20 years and being labelled a sex offender, eventually ruining any prospects of a decent job or having a family falsely ruins your life 100%.
But in the case of when someone gets raped, most people take their side, but when someone gets falsely accused of rape, nearly everyone takes the accusers side. They are at least equally terrible things in my opinion.
I am in no way a rapist sympathiser, and think they are terrible people, but at least they can regret the terrible thing they did once when they were young and stupid. Someone who falsely accuses someone of rape actively lies for decades with the purpose of ruining someones life
musckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck do you jump to a conclusion like that?
I think any woman who makes a false rape accusation should have the book THROWN at her. I'm vehemently opposed to ruining innocent peoples' lives.
Dragmire800 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:40:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you agree with me...
musckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't argue with your stupid tangent in the first place. What's your problem?
Dragmire800 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your statement about false accusations being seriously punished is exactly in line with what I was saying. You are aggressively agreeing with me. I just brought up the stabbing thing because OP did
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:11:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was too big, she would have stabbed her daughter through the man
DatPiff916 ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 14:50:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes a lightsaber could have been fatal for the youngling.
buckhenderson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Off topic, but I was listening to a podcast where they were talking about the prequels, and how dumb it was that they used the word "youngling" for child, but they still used the term "girlfriend"
Moruitelda ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:11:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, "Youngling" isn't Basic for "child." It's a young initiate of the Jedi Order. Come on.
buckhenderson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I admit to not being super up on the prequels but according to wookiepedia, a youngling is any child of any species, whereas Jedi younglings are what you're talking about.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Youngling
Moruitelda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The quote in that article is accurate though - Yoda uses the word "child."
DaddyCatALSO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, if I write a novel set in a medievalesque world, I shouldn't talk about someone's "glutes"?
VaJJ_Abrams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, dost thou even lift?
DaddyCatALSO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I keep a dumbbell by my bed but never remember to use it. Want to do at least 2 full w eeks, no breaks, at 8 pounds, before I go to 10.
As for the book, well, the thing is, after Dowager Queen Elaine (just means she was the king's consort and he's dead, not that she's old) runs her hands up the back of Kira the wood witch's thighs, she grabs hold of what's above them to pull herself up and in, and I'm unsure what to call what's above that would best fit the scene.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the sound of it opening would have fun to listen to over the screams of it's victims...unlike in starwars where there is no screaming...
RDay ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grow up, please.
RadioIsMyFriend ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:17:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 5 inch blade isn't going to hurt the daughter but it would have been enough to kill him.
snypesalot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:07:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
6 inch blade doesnt lose reception
megamaaash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but fuckin laser sights do
rokarion13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Methinks he will not have a pleasant stay in the penitentiary. Plus, even if she is justified in killing him, (she is) could be pretty traumatic for her and the child.
emblasochist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not the child is his child, prison inmates AND security personnel have no love lost for convicted child molesters. Killing the boyfriend would just harm the 12 year old girl mentally/emotionally further than the rape.
rokarion13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could have just said ditto instead of restating what I said.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:17:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Azazel1661 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:29:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but that would have to be an 8 inch knife or more to actually do that.
ChefChopNSlice ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:44:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This dude stabs ???
murdering_time ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean people don't carry around a 4' long sword for protection anymore? Cause I do.
sweet_MelissaG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username etc.
Azazel1661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah just general approximations
__redruM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a ZT0452 for just the right amount of stabbiness with a nice light CF handle.
Azazel1661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah for 220 USD eh fuck no
TeleKenetek ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a very skinny guy, but in he right places, like my belly area, a 5 inch knife could get pretty close to going all the way through me. Probably would take an 8 inch to go through my chest, but 5 or 6 down near my kidneys would be plenty.
Azazel1661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking all the way through and injuring the girl too.
squishles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if he's really really thin, and she stabs really really hard. It's a bit difficult to go all the way through someone without hitting a bone too.
TaricaHomomorphism ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's good that he lived. He'll get to experience how prison treat pedophiles.
csmonroe02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure after this she will start carrying around a larger knife.
tuketu7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it sounds like he wrested the knife away from her and attacked both her and the daughter with it before the cops came... so maybe it's okay that it was just a pocket knife.
ALS_to_BLS_released ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm not an expert, but from what I've seen about using a knife defensively, a small blade isn't that big a problem. The problem is that you want to slash in order to maximize the chance of hitting muscles and connective tissue which will basically "deactivate" the body's ability to move itself and keep fighting, instead of stabbing, where you have to get very lucky and hit something important.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The upside is her daughter didn't have to witness rape and murder in the same day.
I mean, it is better to not kill someone in front of your children, if you can manage that.
Eziekel13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So jury nullification? (for the woman) meaning that she did the crime but no one on the jury wants to give a guilty verdict...
edit: never discuss jury nullification in court
nemo1080 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prob still big enough to cut his dick off tho. The only effective treatment for pedos.
Mewmageddon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta get the balls too, always remember to also get the balls
ObamasBoss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure about that. Can still use any other object.
nemo1080 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get the nuts too
fatduebz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, any bigger than that and it gets stuck when you get it all the way in. If you want to shank someone multiple times, go for the shorter blade.
LetItOutBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He might suffer more this way. If he goes to prison, the other prisoners will stab and maybe kill him. Prisoners will fuck up child molesters.
cisxuzuul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A knife is too good, dude deserves a hydraulic press
Xanius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah she got to stab him and he still gets to rot in jail.
LittleBigKid2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you rather have papercuts on every inch of your body, or one sword stab? Probably the sword stab, since you'd die quicker with less pain. The same probably goes for a pocket knife versus a large kitchen knife. I'm no doctor or blade studier or anything though.
mib_sum1ls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that, and dating a rapist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah, hurt him as much as possible then let his other inmates in prison take over for her. maybe stabbing was too light a punishment though, giving him 3rd degree burns might have been more fitting
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she used a bigger knife he might have died instead of going to prison where he should rot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I strongly disagree. I dont think it is the place of civilians to inflict retribution - that is the job of the law.
Having said that, it's an absolutely reasonable response to have and he definitely deserves much worse. I am anti death sentence but people like this deserve worse than prison.
NewBallista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so what your saying is it should be perfectly acceptable to murder another human for having sex with a child?
mastertwisted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and not stab him right in the genitals and face.
Rhodesius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And dating a rapist.
phelix544 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As well as allowing a piece of shit like that in the same house as her daughter, who she is supposed to be protecting from assholes like that.
Szyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, cause him more pain in the long term.
Maniacal_Coyote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you heard of "The Death of a Thousand Cuts"?
Aoxxt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have a sick mind.
BenderDeLorean ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep him alive - let the boys in prison have some fun with this pedo.
Dragmire800 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:11:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is so god damn liberal until it comes to being armchair vigilantes. Does no one understand justice? It isn't about what someone "deserves," it's about recieveing the law designated punishment
Purple10tacle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it is. That's almost the core definition of justice: "Justice is the legal or philosophical theory by which fairness is administered."
In a functioning society that has to be upheld and admistered through the law and the criminal justice system, no doubt, but nobody in their right mind would argue that outcome is always fair and just.
It's more than fair to wish that someone god a harsher or milder punishment without wishing for a society of vigilante justice.
Yet in this case none of that matters, the guy was a clear threat and the knife wasn't sufficient to end the acute threat, as evident by him breaking through the front door after being pushed outside.
More force would have been entirely appropriate without being in any way outside of the philosophical or legal definition of justice.
Dragmire800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not commenting on her stabbing him. I'm talking about how people are wishing she inflicted more pain upon him, because it gets them off
MuttinChops ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leave it to reddit to say homicide is justifiable.
Unbelievable.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:46:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't want to stab through to the daughter.
Rehabilitated86 ยท 358 points ยท Posted at 13:56:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were on a jury I wouldn't convict.
HearTomorrow ยท 284 points ยท Posted at 14:25:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a prosecutor, I wouldn't indict.
corvus_curiosum ยท 445 points ยท Posted at 14:29:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I spoke English (which I do), I would be bothered by the fact that convict and indict don't rhyme (which I am).
Thompson_S_Sweetback ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:07:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They mict.
197708156EQUJ5 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:06:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not sure I want to know what that means if it did rhyme with convict
dickskittlez ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:11:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's what he was trying to do to that 12-year-old.
197708156EQUJ5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:12:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thoughts in my head put down on "paper". Nope, don't want to watch that show.
Moruitelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its meaning is something that you do to justify getting stabbed by your girlfriend.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A clever rapper would say indict like convict, just to make a joke of it.
isitpedanticenough1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe T-Pain once rhymed "mansion" with the state of "Wiscansin" so we're not that far off...
tymboturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we can change convict (as a verb) to ryhme with indict, but leave convict (the noun) as is.
btotheoomer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was a Reddit commenter, I would try to keep this thread going.
squirrellywolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a slant rhyme. It's way cooler.
pikpikcarrotmon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:00:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a slant rhyme at all.
Yodiddlyyo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:03:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a slant (half) rhyme. The ending are totally different.
A real slant rhyme would be " grudge and bridge" or "lover and brother" or "heaven and even".
Indict (in-DITE) and convict (CON-vikt) are totally different.
basiltoe345 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, maybe in your dialect that may be...
But in my Midwest American accent, Heaven (Hehhhven) does not rhyme with even (EEEven); it rhymes with Evan.
But heathen & even rhyme perfectly!
Yodiddlyyo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:44:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're misunderstanding. You just described a slant rhyme.
Heaven (Heh-ven) and Even (Ee-ven) not rhyming perfectly makes it a slant rhyme. Heathen and even rhymes perfectly, making it not a slant rhyme.
Look another group I said.
Brother and lover is a slant rhyme. Brother and another is a perfect rhyme.
IAmSamSamIAmAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment led me on a path of discovery, for I have only ever read "indict" phonetically, or heard it pronounced "indited", but never together. I now recognize this ignorance, and am grateful to have had no particular use for legal speech in my daily life that would have exposed it unwittingly. Presently I commit myself to reeducation, and if I ever misread this word again, it will not be from ignorance but rather by fault.
And hopefully this drawn out comment will force me to remember.
benjom6d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It actually does rhyme with convict, just not convict the verb. It rhymes with convict as in a person who has been convicted.
corvus_curiosum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience, those two words are pronounced the same.
benjom6d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's just me then? I pronounce the verb as kun-vickt and the noun as con-vickt.
corvus_curiosum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of those rhyme with in-dite thought.
benjom6d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoot I read it as Indict (as in In-dickt)! Nothing to see here--carry on.
PM_ME_UR_KNOT_GRL ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 14:49:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were on the jury, I'd wait to hear the facts of the case.
Reddy_McRedcap ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:54:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, given the article I just read about that 17 year old being tried as an adult for taking nude pictures of himself, I'm sure the prosecutor will find the 12 guilty of this. /s
secretagent01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy s**t you weren't kidding!!!! They even accepted a plea bargain so the federal charges would be dropped!
Reddy_McRedcap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a sad time we live in.
Like, realistically, who are they "trying to help" here?
They just charged a minor, for sexually abusing himself? And then opted to try him as an adult, when the entire point is that he was a minor... Who abused himself... By taking a photograph of his own penis... At 17 years old...
In reality, I understand that our justice system is corrupt, and whether by broken laws, or judges just receiving money for every guilty charge, innocent people are found guilty on purpose all the time, but who is this "supposed to help?" What fake reasoning could possibly be construed to justify calling a teenager a pedophile for looking at his own naked body?
DaddyCatALSO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sarcasm fail, sorry.
elfardoo ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:28:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a judge, I wouldn't judge
DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:43:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a lawyer, I wouldn't law her.
crispy_soup ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:50:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lawyer? I hardly even know her
BillyRayVirus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:57:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was from Paris I would say ooo la la, la la la la lahh.
The_king_of_whording ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were him, I wouldn't've dicked
YesThisIsDrake ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:55:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury doesn't have to. The jury isn't legally obligated to convict, period. They can just say "not guilty".
This is only true in the US. Might be elsewhere, but I only know for the USA.
Edit: Talking about Jury Nullification.
Cinnadillo ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:02:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US system is heavily based on the English system to the point (albeit rare) that if there exists no controlling US law we default to English common law... that's right... dudes with funny wigs from the time before George Washington passed air into his lungs
dvrzero ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:09:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*except in Louisiana, where it defaults to French common law instead of English common law
endlesscartwheels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
French civil law, not common law.
OccasionallyWright ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Canada the Quebec legal system is based on French common law and in the rest of the country it's based on English. It's kind of weird.
ThenhsIT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
France doesn't have a common law.
ThenhsIT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
France doesn't have a common law.
ThenhsIT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
France doesn't have a common law.
Halvus_I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize a huge chunk of our governance is based on 2,000 year old Roman values, right?
BG_Misonary ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:15:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The entire point of jury is to determine if defendant is guilty. This is true everywhere.
I think you maybe confusing a verdict with jury nullification in which the jury basicly says the law is unjust and thus guilt is irrelevant.
YesThisIsDrake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah this is true! I am not a lawyer after all. I'll edit that in.
Moezso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called jury nullification. As a juror, you have the right to vote however you like for whatever reason you like.
marsglow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're not allowed to tell the jury that or even to mention it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:08:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Moruitelda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the jury did something inappropriate, sure. If the jury finds them unanimously not guilty, the judge can't just say, "Nah, let's have another go."
BG_Misonary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct that's the entire point of 5th Amendments double jeopardy clause.
Moruitelda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of. I mean, you can have a mistrial and retrial if the jury hangs, but not if they vote to acquit.
Dragmire800 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:13:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You miss the point of the law
Passerine_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:37:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm all for this guy getting what he deserves, but vigilantism isn't a great thing to encourage. On the other hand, I think she could argue she was acting in self defense on behalf of her daughter
ArmoredKappa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The self defense thing is a good point in this case, but reddit always applauds illegal violence against people they don't like.
They have the moral IQ of a 4 year old - hurt the bad guy.
Passerine_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's human nature in general. It's easy to say, "kill all the terrorists!" Instead of letting them potentially live their lives in jail
Dragmire800 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying she did something wrong necessarily, but you shouldn't just decide someone is guilty based on what a platform that makes money off exaggerating and twisting things to seem a certain way
deephousebeing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll see if I can find it, but here in Texas a few years ago the same thing happened when a man killed someone in the act of raping his daughter and he got off free. But this is also Texas, so...
TheInverseFlash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shh. You're not supposed to state that in public else you'll never be on a jury. Also. Never mention jury nullification until you're sequestered.
ncocca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like self defense to me. He was clearly dangerous and she felt the need to defend herself and her daughter. No conviction
asanecra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it could be argued it was defense of other. As long as it's not premeditated she should be fine.
humanysta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would.
eternalexodus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then you shouldn't be on a jury. you should be properly dismissed as a biased juror...
VanSaxMan ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part about this is the Mom will most likely get charged still. Which really. kicks ya in the gut, since if this was my kid the guy wouldn't have been around to tell his side of the story.
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 14:56:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not, especially since it didn't seem to be life threatening injuries. The guy was able to return to the house and kick the door open, for instance. It seems like a clear cut case of defending the safety of a child, using enough force to stop him, but not to kill him. I doubt she'll be charged, and if she is, it will never make it to trial, and if it does, no jury would convict her, and if they did, the judge would never give her a prison sentence.
He's going to jail, though.
Gahvynn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In her own house she used force to stop an attack on another person.
If she had killed him the likely-hood of her getting charges would be low, in this case I say next to zero.
The problem would be if the daughter told her of the attack the next day and the mom attacked him after that when nobody was in danger.
VanSaxMan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:05:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is for sure, what also makes me smile in a mild karma way is prison folk do not take kindly to people of this ilk. Hopefully what goes around will certainly come around for this piece of shit!
swandor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always see this being said about how people in prison react to these cases, but is that actually true?
VanSaxMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah! It's kinda weird prison social culture but if one thing is true child rapist/pedophiles are pretty much the scum of the prison world. Even to murderers and other bad folk!
mistatricksta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hooray for rape culture!
WhereIsYourMind ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:33:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The punishment certainly fits the crime though.
mistatricksta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:43:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imo, rape is rape. Its always fucked up. And it all just perpetuates itself.
WriterV ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's still encouraging rape. Which we really shouldn't be doing.
We don't have to coddle our prisoners. But that doesn't mean we should torture them either. Prison is to separate them from society and rehabilitate them if possible.
FCCCaffeineQueen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming the stabbing stopped when he retreated and she didn't chase him down the street to finish the job, I think whatever it took to stop the assault was reasonable.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, but in the states even that can have consequences unfortunately. Definitely not a perfect system.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not convict, but still charged. It's definitely not a perfect system that's for sure.
eggn00dles ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:59:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me a jury that will convict her
TheDirtyCondom ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:04:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12 angry pedos
imtriing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:21:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me laugh more than I'd care to admit. How fucking stupid.
VanSaxMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won't make it to court but even a charge showing on her permanent record can have negative consequences down the road.
Moruitelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prosecutor will make a lot of bluster about what the law says the jury must do. That's often fairly effective.
AmalgamSnow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:01:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won't be found guilty for that charge though though. She will no doubt receive an initial charge of attempted homicide, but provided the womans claim that the man was on top of her child and naked can be suggested without reasonable doubt then the charge will be changed to justifiable attempted homicide - it'll still have to go on a record, but it won't be a criminal conviction.
TheMooseIsBlue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won't be charged...certainly not for attempted homicide. If the events happened the way they are described in the article, it is clear that she was defending the welfare of a child. Like self-defense. If she'd gone back a day later and did it again, sure. But in the heat of he moment, this is not an indictable crime.
AmalgamSnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She may well have the charge of attempted homicide brought against her depending on the boyfriend's account and representation (I never said she would be charged for it, just that she will receive the charge), it doesn't help that the mother and daughter have different accounts of the event. In any case, if she does receive an initial charge and events are as the mother describes then that charge will be dropped in favour of a justifiable homicide (non-indictable, as you say); in spite of this, it will go on record that she tried to kill her boyfriend, just not a criminal record.
Edit: having a charge brought against you and being charged with a crime are not the same thing, please know this. A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding that when I say "she will have a charge brought against her" as "she will be charged".
TheMooseIsBlue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:26:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, he's not dead. Second, no one would have ever faulted her for killing him if he was indeed in the act of raping her daughter. She'd get a medal, not a black mark. Third, I agree that the facts need to be sorted, but if it is as it appears, stabbing him in the act of raping a child is not an indictable offense.
AmalgamSnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Attempted homicide". Getting stabbed repeatedly tends to fall into this category. The boyfriend will almost certainly push for that charge.
Second and third. As I've repeatedly said she will never be convicted of it. So long as the mother and child's stories match up. The problem, as I will reiterate once more, is that because their stories don't match that fucker of a paedophile will push for a charge of attempted homicide. The mother will have this charge brought against her by the boyfriends legal representation. However, in court this charge won't stand and any decent judge will deem it as a justifiable act: a non indictable action. It will still go on record, but not as a criminal conviction. AKA not a black mark.
TheMooseIsBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't sue for attempted homicide. It's not a civil charge. The police decide to indict her or not based on the evidence, which both of us have already said still needs to be sorted.
Roast_A_Botch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justifiable anything isn't a charge, it's a reason for not indicting someone. The police won't even recommend charges to the DA, and they certainly won't push to do so. It will only go on record (not as a conviction) if she's arrested and processed.
y0um3b3dn0w ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:07:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually seems like a better option. Dead men can't talk and you claim self defense
VanSaxMan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:08:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dead men truly tell no tails! 100% agreed!
LetsDiscourse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt she'll get charged at all.
VanSaxMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As many other have replied, she will. It's due process. She did commit an assault. Now when looking at that it will be determined as justified cause and most likely not prosecuted for it. But even the charge on record can have negative consequences down the road for her.
rugtoad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words:prosecutorial discretion. She won't be charged, it would be a tremendous waste of resources to do so and the prosecutor will certainly recognize that. There is no law compelling prosecutors to bring charges against someone in a case like this though.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I was not aware of this. Interesting and scary all at once. Interesting that we would have an option like this in the legal system. Understandably so though, since our legal system takes forever as is to process someone and would take exponentially longer if EVERY crime was processed. Scary that it somewhat undermines the concept of a justice system if a person or persons has the ability to essentially just not charge someone by their discretion. Or am I wrong on that one? Either way good to know.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes perfect sense to have this.
First off, bear in mind that a district attorney/prosecutor is part of an elected office. They are held accountable by the people they represent. Their oath-of-office also implores them to provide aggressive representation of the people and prosecute offenders to the best of their ability.
Where "discretion" comes in, though...that allows them to acknowledge a weak case. It doesn't let them abdicate all responsibility to prosecute criminal offenders, just to pass on cases they know they can't win.
The point is simply to allow them to focus limited resources where they are needed most, and where they are most effective. Look at this case from a perspective of utility: Was what this woman did "criminal" behavior? Is there substantial evidence to support a justification defense, such as self-defense?
Is this woman likely to stab other people in the future? Will time in the penal system properly "rehabilitate" her such that it would prevent it? Will prosecuting her prevent other people from stabbing others?
The most important question is simply one of viability...is there enough evidence indict her for a crime and subsequently to convince a jury to return a guilty verdict?
If a prosecutor doesn't believe they can even get an indictment, then it's a case for discretion. Prosecutors joke that they can indict a ham sandwich if you let them try, the grand jury process is heavily slanted toward the prosecution.
But even if they think they can convince them, if they don't believe a jury would convict, it's a pretty telling problem. On top of that, if they don't believe that the penal system would be an appropriate place for the alleged offender, then why are they pursuing the case at all? No parent will be deterred from reacting passionately and violently to seeing their kid getting attacked. This woman hasn't demonstrated a propensity for violence which doesn't exist in pretty much everyone else who cares deeply about another person.
Prosecutors who misuse discretion are almost always called on it and usually compelled to act by public and political pressure. It's not a tool they can easily corrupt, at least not with cases that garner any sort of publicity. Usually, if a prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute a viable case...they deliberately fumble the grand jury indictment. That's a lot easier and lets them cast blame somewhere else.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for that. I had a real hard on for legal debates and such back in school but didn't want to go through 10+ years before being able to go to the BAR (legal bar). Now in this case if the guy who got stabbed decided to press charges would that effect the previous charges the Mom may or may not have been charged with or different legal instance?
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Pressing charges" is sort of a myth. In most cases, "pressing charges" means you're filing a police report and nothing more, the prosecutor still ends up deciding whether or not to pursue a criminal conviction against someone.
In many cases (especially felonies), though, it's not even a choice the victim gets to make. If the police can gather enough evidence to sustain an indictment, your desire as a victim not to press charges can and likely will be completely ignored. It's usually a whole lot easier for a prosecutor to get a conviction if you play ball, sure...but they don't need your permission to or your report.
This tends to confuse a lot of people who get involved in domestic disputes...a battered housewife will show up "the morning after" and inform the police that she isn't pressing charges. The police will say "That's fine and dandy, but we are" and the case marches right along. Simply put, the law recognizes that victims of certain crimes are not at all equipped to decide whether or not the perpetrators should face the justice system.
zaccus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:08:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you're allowed to use deadly force to stop a rape in progress. IANAL but I would be surprised otherwise.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deadly force is only justified when faced in a lethal situation ie the rapist had a gun or weapon
The murderer wouldnt be slammed with the book by any means, and more often than not get dismissed or a very light sentence. But deadly force (by a 3rd party)to prevent rape is illegal in blunt terms.
zaccus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that simple, at least in Ohio
Regarding defense of others
S3erverMonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:00:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be surprised if she was actually charged. Or I should say, that if she is that it actually makes it to court.
Em_Adespoton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Charging her is appropriate as she violently attacked another person. However, it is likely that as guardian of a minor being assaulted, she will be found not guilty of any crime, unless there are further details we don't know about yet.
gamedrifter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah what jury is gonna convict though?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even that's a tough one to swallow being away from someone she loves right after something so horrible.
SapientChaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a father I would wonder why she stopped stabbing and would have aquit her.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Church my friend! Like I said, if it was my kid guy wouldn't be around to tell his side of the story!
Bisping ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, they usually never get charged, even if she killed him.
MeatloafPopsicle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah, there will be an investigation, but she won't get in trouble for stopping a rape ya dhingus.
VanSaxMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping a rape is one thing, stopping a rape by stabbing someone 6 times is another. But clearly you are more versed in the legal than I. My bad
MeatloafPopsicle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. 2 stabs would have been reasonable to stop the rape, but 6??? What the hell is she thinking??? Clearly she used excessive force to stop that little girl from being raped. Lock her up
Awayfone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:34:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worse part? A) No B) she is guilty
RonSwanson4POTUS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Sexually assaulted and witnessing someone get stabbed seems rather traumatizing
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:53:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BrosocialistAvenger ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:09:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After the rapist took the knife and attacked them. Wounds to the hands are almost always defensive.
It's hard to tell from the article.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, agreed. Pocket knife may have collapsed on her fingers, but it sounded like the man attacked them with the knife.
BG_Misonary ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:18:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defensive wounds on her hands, same with her mom. The cocksucker must have gotten control of knife for a few moments.
MiltownKBs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would imagine that among the multiple stabs, there would be some misses as well.
waffleburner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, stabbings are fucking messy. People stab themselves when stabbing. Perfectly normal.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CharlesManson420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was there a murder? Also, if you walked in on a naked man about to rape your 12 year old daughter, would your immediate thought process be "I need to get this man to a fair trial, legalities and all" or would it be "I'm gonna fuck this guy up"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CharlesManson420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, you just said a 12 year old could have just been unable to consent due to statutory age, you're not worth talking to.
JBSLB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disagree, not appropriate response, should have killed him. that would be appropriate response. That poor girl will have to deal with that trauma for the rest of her life.
zeroGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, I think we need to get a professional opinion in here. Mills Lane?
MediocreMisery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very much... he's just lucky she didn't actually kill him. I don't think a jury would be very hard on her even to that extreme, let alone this. His "justification" just makes him look even worse.
IveGotABluePandaIdea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe but in our judicial system, I get like some scumbag DA is gonna put her away.
dirty_dangles_boys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly
su5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel bad for the mom too. Everything about this is horrendous.
HandsomeSlav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine what mother felt. She's probably devastated.
I feel sooo bad for poor girls. Fuck. The world is cruel. I hope that piece of garbage will be raped in prison daily until he dies there. Fuck.
Nik_Tesla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. First you're being raped, obviously really bad situation already. Then your mom stabs the rapist, and then proceed to beat the shit out of each other until she throws him outside. Then he kicks the fucking door down and they continue fighting.
What a shit night that girl had.
redditor4258 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well a lot of people go through various forms of trauma, it's the way the traumatic incident is handled that can make or break a person. I think in this case her mother has acknowledged that she recognizes the girls abuse, doesn't accept or normalize it, and is willing to protect her from her abuser.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went from, "oh, just some casual domestic violence," to, "should've strangled him too," real fucking quick on that headline.
Her mom's a badass. I think she'll be okay in the end.
YMDBass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, just thought about how bad this is for her and how much therapy she'll need. Mom killed dad in front of her while she was being sexually abused by dad. On top of that, she'll have the guilt that her dad is dead because of her and her mom is in jail because of her (not that either of those things are correct, just thinking about how children process this kind of information).
UnpluggedFridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold your horses there. If she stabbed him to prevent him from harming the 12-year-old girl, then yes it is an appropriate response. If she stabbed him after the act was committed as revenge or punishment, then this is an inappropriate and likely illegal response. We can't have every knife-wielding civilian dispensing justice at their pleasure.
emfrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is inappropriate, because of the daughter! She not only was raped, but witnessed someone almost killed. Multiplied PTSD.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stories like these should just come with mandatory gofundme links. Then you can feel sorry in a meaningful way ;)
catsan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lasting damage largely depends on how the justice and medical system treat her, as well as her immediate social environment.
breakone9r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It was completely inappropriate.
She should have just hit him with a frying pan and then shot him in the head.
Padlor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:43 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right. The boyfriend deserve it even more, he should go to jail as a sex offender.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AnAcceptableUserName ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:50:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem oddly excited about this.
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really. I was expecting a chili recipe with chopped up cock next.
AnAcceptableUserName ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://giphy.com/gifs/MJ0sxcBzT3mTu/html5
NapClub ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:56:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
excited is the wrong word.
i just think people who abuse children should be castrated.
also when you see someone actively raping your daughter you can get away with a lot without being charged, so it was a good chance to end the threat this guy poses to the population.
not generally a fan of vigilante justice because mistakes can be made, but if you find the guy in the midst of raping your daughter there is no mistake.
AnAcceptableUserName ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:59:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a position most people would agree has some merit.
wait
wat
Why not just say the legal penalty for abusing a child should be execution? What you're talking about just sounds like execution with extra steps.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People never really think long when they talk about what they see as justice ...
NapClub ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i actually don't believe in state execution...
just too many mistakes get made.
but if a mother catches a guy raping her daughter and in her attempt to save the girl ends up killing the guy, i am okay with that.
DefensiveLiability ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh-la-la, someone's gonna get laid in college.
fortuneandfameinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last name bobette?
Timoris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would lead to a stronger conviction.
The way it passed, could go as defending a defenceless person
aquaticsnipes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why everyone should keep a gun in there house or concealed carry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's interesting to think about. If she had a gun, maybe she could have threatened him with it and gotten him to stop without any violence, then called the cops and had him thrown in prison.
aquaticsnipes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt read to the end, but as far as I got it didn't say anything about him dying. Did he? Also, yes a gun is a much better motivater then a knife, because in most cases the attacker wont think, "I can over power them if they have a gun" where as a kjife it may be a more common thought. Also, if I found someone on top of my 12 yr old daughter, they definitely wouldnt be making it to a hospital.
studentofapassedlife ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck the justice system right? I mean I'm happy to go back to allowing people to settle disputes between themselves with violence, but it's a two way street so you'll have to be willing to accept the societal ramifications
TheInverseFlash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, Gandhi slept naked with his sister's kids. Perfectly normal practice.
(Gandhi was a paedo and incestous. Not to mention he uses nukes as soon as he discovers the Atomic Theory)
SmugSceptic ยท 22684 points ยท Posted at 14:22:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says. "
I don't think she could have stab this guy enough.
Sebleh89 ยท 9853 points ยท Posted at 14:41:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile the asshole has the nerve to say "she's just jealous because her daughter likes me" like it's going to get him off free, never mind the fact that he was found naked on top of a 12 year old child.
amandal0514 ยท 4768 points ยท Posted at 14:54:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had my adopted mom say I was just jealous of her when I told her the male family friend who was living with us at the time (and who she was messing around with) creeped into my room late one night.
LSDeeezNutz ยท 1994 points ยท Posted at 15:02:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, i think this a common thing to happen. Ive heard this multiple times, even a couple times from people i know personally.
j_platypus ยท 1416 points ยท Posted at 15:23:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. A friend of mine was raped by her step dad as a young teenager multiple times. Not consensual at all. Her mom said she must have been flirting with him. He was charged and went to jail for 10 years, and her mom stayed with him the entire time. Now he is out, and she can't stand the sight of him and can no longer go to any family functions as he is always there.
romulusbc ยท 1181 points ยท Posted at 15:44:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is it that allows adults to justify this shit? It has boggled my mind from the first time I heard about it.
GuyInARoom ยท 1035 points ยท Posted at 16:09:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Family functions. An entire family of people who value this guy over the family member who was assaulted. Incredible.
mctacoflurry ยท 959 points ยท Posted at 16:47:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I can never blindly accept "family values," or "family first." I've dated women who have terrible or shitty family members (including child molestation) and they are excused or forgiven simply because "well, they're family."
No. There are some things that are inexcusable. Or, if you excuse it you have to be open to becoming a victim of it since you are letting it in your life. This is why I'm a lonely person, because I'm willing to hold people accountable and cut them out of my life if need be.
theGurry ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 16:57:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. It's great.
Nobody deserves a free pass to do whatever the fuck they want to whomever they want.
cuckoose ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I straight up left my past GF's family dinner thing after my aunt said I was a shitty person for telling her kid "stop kicking me or I'll tell your dad", I would have just put her off but then a different family member said I was an asshole and I was fed up
Gridungr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a great demon hunter once said "being blood doesn't make you family. You have to earn that"
GuyInARoom ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 17:02:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person who was molested is family! I want to study these peoples' brains!
bullshitninja ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:36:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a rifle! =D
HVY_METAL ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:15:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to bash them in. My friend committed suicide because her family did this exact same shit covering up for "family". I feel like it wasnt her fault she was dealing with these evils until she couldnt anymore.
demoncupcakes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really sorry about your friend. Her family did a really shitty thing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not all that much to find/ learn.
JR1937 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preferably, while they are still alive, I would like to imagine similar to the scene in Silence of the Lambs where the live brain is being sauteed and eaten.
ionlypostdrunkaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, they don't have brains.
grapefuitonmyshaft ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:41:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister was raped and molested by our brother when she was a child up until the age of 14. He was older than her by a few years. When it all came out I immediately disowned him and haven't seen him since. He said he's attracted to everyone of every age especially children and vulnerable people, so they (my father and mother) placed him with - get this - my OMA (grandma). She has no idea what he did or is capable of either. My father and his twin live with him as well. My father blames my sister and believes its her fault. His twin brother feels the same. My mom defends him and they all still love him and clearly resent my sister for not forgiving him.
We have a large family, and myself and my sister are the only two who brutally hate him for what he did, and will never forgive him.
Its life altering when things like this happen in a family, and to see who will take who's side. I hate my father and have a strong disregard for most of my family members after experiencing their reactions to this.
Shit like this is unimaginable and rips people and family's apart. I can't understand blaming the victim like my father and brothers did, its still shocking.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:18:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for being so clear minded and for coming to your sister's side when she needed you. My brother sexually assaulted me as a kid and everyone forgave him (except me). I moved 3000 miles away, and while I am free now it is still so hurtful to know my family loves my abusive, sick brother more than me. All because I "rocked the boat" and wouldn't excuse his horrendous behavior.
grapefuitonmyshaft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I just read her this, she needed to hear it. She feels so much guilt, and a lot of its because of how my family reacted to this. Choosing the perpetrator over her, and having distain towards her for coming out with the truth and ruining the illusion. Good for you for being so strong, to preserve when your family goes against you is tough for even the strongest people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let your sister know that I have decided that there is no rhyme or reason to why families choose abusers over abuse survivors. It is somehow easier for them to lie to themselves about what happened than to actually face reality because the truth is so ugly. I know that when I was 14 and told my mother what happened to me, it changed her world forever. It was easier for her, once she was over the initial shock, to conveniently "forget" what happened. And then years later I found out that my mother is a survivor of abuse at the hands of her father - and no one EVER spoke about it. So it's no wonder she did the same thing to me. I can't even be mad at her for it anymore. She's just doing what her mother taught her to do.
Yodlingyoda ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:54:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like oma should be told about this... especially if he likes to target vulnerable people.
grapefuitonmyshaft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive always agreed with that, but our parents forbid us. But my sister decided she NEEDS to tell her, so in the next few weeks I'll tell her.
psycheko ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:05:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I do this too. I don't care if someone's family, you do something shitty and inexcusable, I'll hold you accountable. I'm like that with friends too. It's why actually I'm not friends with someone I became friends with last year because he did something that was unforgivable.
I've gotten into some debates with my boyfriend before because his brother treats everyone like shit in his family but he'd defend him. Now it seems like he's starting to realize because he doesn't defend his brother anymore.
JRclarity123 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:52:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cutting off family for the first time is a great feeling. Friends take their place, life improves.
atq1995 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:59:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my family if anyone did anything near this level, we'd drop them off hogtied in front of the police station with less teeth than a lifetime crackhead. No soul should have to endure this kind of abuse, it shakes you to your core and NEVER leaves
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:02:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being family should give them even less of an excuse for doing something awful... To a family member!
chinika4 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:17:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same thing. Better alone than being around toxic people.
Asraia ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:12:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God thank you for saying that. As a survivor I want to puke every time i hear "family values."
RubItOnYourShmeet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The beauty of actively being a part of a family is you can choose to stop and build your own.
matrixreloaded ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:50:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's because "family first" only works if the entire family abides by it. If several people in the family don't put family first then the family by definition isn't a "family first" family.
Peakomegaflare ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shit right the fuck here. Blood may be thick, but it's not cement.
lilblaster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're awesome.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So my family isnt very close. We get along great we just arent super tight knit and have always been a small family. Maybe that's why but I dont understand this "They're family." garbage either. Family are people just like everyone else and shouldn't be exempted from being horrible OR held to a lower standard simply because you share blood and grew up together. If you're a shitty person, I'm not associating with you no matter what your last name is.
Ktm6891 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. This is a challenging concept for many to grasp. I grew up in an abusive home and no longer speak to my family and I have friends that just cannot understand why I have severed ties. It's extremely invalidating and insulting but i imagine that it is hard to empathize with abuse when you grew up in a healthy, stable, and loving home.
Sarahinthesky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having an issue with my fiancรฉ over this right now. His grandmother and his mother are horrible people who have done really fucking shitty things and I can't stand to look at them anymore but he still talks to them and JADE's all their shit. Refuses to cut them out or even limit contact and I'm having alot of trouble grasping why he wants to keep these people in his life only for the sole reason that he loves his grandfather - and I love his grandfather too but I can't stand his wife or daughter (fiancรฉs mother). What they have both done is inexcusable and he's rug sweeping over everything and I'm getting angrier and angrier.
taints_is_tasty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That last sentence describes my life.
UmbraIra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are just shitty families that allow this type of thing nothing to do with "family values".
mctacoflurry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. I would hope "good" families or families that know when to cut family loose after felonies tend to not have to cry "Family Values" all the time.
Despite the Jedi and Sith belief, not everything is an absolute and your mileage will vary with everything. My opinion just so happened to coincide with my experience so I hope there are others that can say "Mctaco, you hang with the wrong crowd, get out more."
ProfessorPicard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to cut rapist out of my life too. It kind of a good thing I guess.
_Fizzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely and utterly believe in "Family first" as you put it.
The thing is, anyone who does anything like that to my family will never, ever be family.
MaxDG1013 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, what you're saying is you're using a different definition of family?
Doesn't that also mean that you believe in a completely different "family first," and not "family first" as he/she put it?
DamionK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That applies to friends too. People put up with seriously bad behaviour from friends but would never except the same behaviour from a stranger.
mctacoflurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, you are absolutely correct that it correlates with friends as well. Hell, might as well say it applies to all Humans.
And yes, people put up with a lot of shit from friends. I wasn't a good friend for years but took it upon myself to remove myself until I unfucked myself. My girlfriend had a friend that would ask for money and to co-sign a loan but god forbid the friend listen or visit my gf. We put up with a lot when we shouldn't.
Phowen2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, same for me, that's the sensible thing to do...
Unsounded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real. I hate people who are overly focused and forgiving of family. If someone is toxic and treats you like human garbage it's time to cut them out of your life.
My family doesn't get into contact with my Dads side of the family at all anymore, save for funerals because of how horrible they are. They're always up to sleazy ass shit and are genuinely not good people. There's certain things that can be forgiven for family members over friends, but there's a real fine line in my opinion. And the forgiveness shouldn't be abused.
TheConfuddledOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im the same, I have no, or limited, contact with a lot of my family and one time close friends for different reasons.
I find the majority of people just shrug it off, or ignore it. Nothing changes, its just not discussed. I honestly believe if more people held others accountable for their shit, 'acceptable' behaviours would also change.
fuckedasaplant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eek. Yeah you know how they say "blood runs thicker than water"? The actual quote goes "blood of the covenant runs thicker than the water of the womb". It's the family you choose and accepts you, flaws and all, that sticks by your side and not necessarily the family you were born into. I hate it when people are told to trust in their family when their family is made up of pieces of shit. Fuck that. It's better to be alone than to be surrounded by little fuckshits.
HistoryOfPolkaDots ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:37:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's not the same, but after I dumped my sexually and physically abusive ex, EVERYONE in the local friend group chose him over me. It makes me feel worthless. Some of them have even seen him push me and hold me down. Some of these women who have experienced rape themselves have taken his side, and I don't understand how or why. They're just endangering their friends who they bring around him.
GuyInARoom ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:01:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's infuriating. I'm sorry you're going through that. Hopefully in the end you'll meet better quality friends as a result.
ALS_to_BLS_released ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is easy to say through anonymous Reddit and it might sound cheesy, but I hope you find some peace from it, it took me way too many years to figure out:
The people around you don't get to determine what you are worth, only you can do that.
I hope you are able to surround yourself with people who support and appreciate you. Rest assured there are good people out there. I went to a rather unique kind of college where I made buddies that are so close I pretty much consider them family at this point. These are men and women I would literally go to war with, people I have shared experiences with that I've never shared with actual blood family. But if I ever saw them abuse or hit their girlfriend or boyfriend, they would not be welcome in my life anymore. I expect those closest to me to uphold a higher standard, not a lower one.
Ciderer ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:43:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Families are weird. My husbands "family" don't consider him family because he's adopted and "not blood" but i'm considered family because I married into it.
Backwoods south thinking right there.
Edit: His parents loved him just the rest of the family is fucked up
MrWednesday6387 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:09:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF, you don't adopt someone and not consider them part of the family! That's the entire point of adoption!
RscMrF ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:16:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh, sorry to break it to you but that is not weird, that is just fucked up. Telling someone who is adopted that they are not family because they are not blood? That goes against the whole concept of adoption, the point is to adopt someone INTO your family.
MonsterMike42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does get pretty weird. My father was adopted by his stepdad. He still had a good relationship with his father and stepmother, but once his dad died, the rest of the family swore that he and his children were not family. All because he was "adopted out". Needless to say, we don't interact with them anymore.
theCroc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:31:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also it's not just some rumor or accusation. The guy was convicted and did time. Wouldn't atleast a few other family members put their foot down about this guy coming to family functions?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly sounds functional to me
sirius4778 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:08:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you KNOW during 10 years he was in prison everyone found out he was charged with raping a child IN the family.
Sorry, but no. I wouldn't allow that person to those events. That's fucked.
Warpimp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you are the weird one because you can't "get over it".
Mockturtle22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trashy. Poor girl doesn't need to be around that sort of trashy
orcinovein ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:07:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mom was likely abused in the past. It's a cycle and it repeats itself until someone steps in or the victim decides to get counseling.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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orcinovein ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:44:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source? Mine is from Encyclopedia of Victimology and Crime Prevention and having worked with abused minors. But I'm curious where you're getting the "everyone would have been abused by now" and "most people" claims from.
CasinoMan96 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the effect you describe is clearly observable, but so is the law of big numbers. If most abused people went on to be abusers, abuse would be universal in a matter of only a few generations. Clearly most people must not go on to repeat the cycle.
Yourstruly0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, abuse is not a one for one scenario. If literally everyone who was abused went on to abuse others it would start a cycle of exponential growth. Those numbers would reach astronomical levels fast.
I was abused. Not sexually but physically and emotionally and I always knew it was wrong and sought to be different. This was years before therapy.
orcinovein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not at all what I said. The cycle of abuse creates both victims and abusers. Not all abusers were abused, not all victims become abusers. Nuance and common sense should tell you that instead of me specifically having to state it. But if you do become a victim, you have an extremely higher chance of being victimized in the future. Abusers almost have a sixth sense in picking those that have been victimized. Source
What my previous comment implies is that a mom who stands by someone who abused their child (and was proven guilty in court) likely was a victim of abuse in their past rendering them unable to seek help or see outside the cycle of abuse. Read the comment in context to what I was responding to. It was an explanation for the mother's inaction and continued support of an abuser, not an excuse. Do you have a source for your conjecture?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lonelysidechick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I took away from what that person said at all. I think you are missing the context in the response here. I was abused as a toddler by my grandfather. Most of my relationships in my late teens and early twenties were with abusive men and I could never figure out why until I brought my mother into one of my therapy sessions and she broke down. There's an extremely higher chance of someone who was a victim of sexual abuse continuing the cycle through becoming a victim again or letting someone they love become one. And it took many years for me to learn this to improve upon myself and break the cycle.
The cycle of abuse explains why people STAY in abusive situations, not that everyone who was abused becomes an abuser. The context was why the mom STAYED with the abusive man after he got out of prison. That point was very clear to me.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:10:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mom could be afraid of (1) physical abuse from the dad, and/or (2) being alone if she splits.
Also, knew a local family where the dad slowly over the years emotionally manipulated the mom and daughter into thinking the rest of the extended family couldn't be trusted, was up to no good, etc etc and he was the only one they could rely on, trust, confide in. After the abuse of the daughter came out, mom stuck by him for like 6 months, but then came to realize exactly what he'd been doing to them.
It was literally like a drug that she was under the influence of, and still was for a few months while he was in prison, but then it eventually wore off.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:04:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some ppl aren't fit to be parents. It's a bittersweet day when the offspring realizes this about their own parent
flurryMC ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly bitter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fair enough, to each their own.
Sweeter than more bitter for me - it's comforting to know that I'm not as crazy as I thought I was
flurryMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:47 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, I see your point. The problem is when they're stubborn and can't even admit their own problems to themselves so they still think you're the problem. Not to say it isn't partially my problem, but not entirely, as they think.
LostprophetFLCL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:02:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are in denial.
My father is a dumbass coke fiend who got himself thrown in prison for over a decade. Up till his release there were members of his family who fucking thought he was framed.
My Mom and I both knew he was a piece of shit however and it took till after he got out and is now suppossedly back on coke and also robbed my uncle (because he apparently needed money even though they both had gotten like 25k because their Mom passed recently) and FINALLY the rest of the family has caught up and now he isn't invited to family functions along with the Uncle he robbed actually as my Uncle is also fucked up.
It can be seriously hard for family to cope with their loved ones being a shithead and I think a lot of people are subconciously blind to the signs because they do not want to have to face reality. It sucks.
JustBreatheBelieve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Normal people do not justify it. Mothers that do this are seriously dysfunctional humans likely with mental health issues of their own.
Scrimshawmud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was the money source for the mother, and she chose that over her daughter.
Lanoir97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's that they really care about and respect someone, then when they hear they did something terrible it just can't be true, so they pull ridiculous mental gymnastics to make it okay.
sirius4778 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people get older but don't necessarily mature. There are tons of "adults" walking around with child like mentalities. "maybe he did wrong but I like him so I'm going to justify it. And if you stand in the way of what I want even indirectly I'm going to blame you"
RscMrF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a combination of things. If the victim is viewed as a 'slut', then people assume she was into it, then there is the fact that if the girl complains she is often yelled at for making bad decisions, as if she should have anticipated that this man who is basically family to her would take advantage of her young age and ignorance. Then there is the fact that this stuff is simply uncomfortable to talk about, so it's easier to just pretend nothing happens. The victim usually just wants to move on, the family is pretending nothing happens and the mom is still in love with the rapist because some people are just fucked up and don't care about anything beyond what their "heart" tells them. The "heart" in this context is physical attraction, which doesn't really care about a person being a decent human or not, for women it is more about a man being dominant and confident, and some rapists are certainly confident and dominant.
Judson_Scott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mom had some late night visits when she was a child, most likely.
VaginaWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
www.jimhopper.com has a pretty amazing way of explaining it.
mike_d85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no "i" in denial.
rainysounds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's dumbfounding to me what people will do in order to preserve the status quo or even the illusion of the status quo. Anything is tolerable in the face of change, for some people. Change is some great uncomfortable unknown and people will do unbelievable things if they can just keep on pretending that everything's fine.
Anarchistnation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should ask the same about normalizing vigilante justice, suspending civil and constitutional rights. How far are you really prepared to go for justice and what would that criteria be?
Relentless_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's some kind of...disconnect...and shame...the denial prevents them from acknowledging they missed something somehow. It's easier to pretend it isn't real than it is to acknowledge a profoundly evil person exists close to the family.
At least. That's what it is for my mom, anyway.
ald49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's terrible, but common. I think it's a few things... It's difficult for people to accept that seemingly "normal" people can rape/assault others or be pedophiles. People want to think the people who do this stuff are literal monsters - ugly, deranged, anti-social types, not the guy you're married to who buys you flowers on your birthday and who has always emotionally supported you, or your sister who you used to play dolls with, took care of you when you were sick, and who you love dearly... And simultaneously we're told that kids lie/fib a lot, and that it's common for women especially to exaggerate or outright lie about assaults. If the person is financially supporting the family it adds layers to it.
People also have a hard time believing that the world is not fair, that bad things can happen to good or innocent people... It's easier to believe someone is lying about being raped and pimped out by their father than believe someone could do that to a little girl/boy, or that they somehow did something to bring it on themselves because it makes us feel safer and more in control. It won't happen to you or your family because you're a good person, and so on.
Then there's also that people don't like thinking they could miss this happening to their kid/sibling/family, that they're smart/wise/a good enough parent or relative that if it were true they'd know before it happened or earlier...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the vast majority of people would rather never admit that they're wrong and live in blissful ignorance that they'd ever made a mistake instead of just admitting their mistake and ending up on the correct side of things.
Gruselaffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some adults are shitty ppl ...
TheNorthComesWithMe ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 15:52:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have a restraining order against him. Not sure why she'd still want to be anywhere near her mom in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:22:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i wrote in another post that my ex GF was raped by her stepdad and her mom didnt want to believe her for shit and stayed with the guy and my ex moved out(the stepdad eventually killed himself, sweet karma!) that happened when she was 13-14 and i met her when she was 21 and she still followed her mom around and tried every which way to please her and get her approval.. i finally had to step in and tell her shes an adult now and fuck whatever her shitty mom thinks
marnas86 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. That mom sounds like a narcissist.
fuckusnowman ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a victim of abuse but I'd sure as shit turn up at every single family event and go "OH HI, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT RAPED ME WHEN I WAS A CHILD! HEY EVERYONE, SAY HI TO THE CHILD RAPIST. HOW WAS JAIL? I HEAR THEY HATE CHILD RAPISTS LIKE YOU. DID YOU EVER RAPE ANY OTHER KIDS? ANYONE HERE? WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE GIRL OVER THERE? WOULD YOU RAPE HER IF YOU COULD?
Fuck being embarrassed or ashamed. Make him be embarrassed and ashamed.
Dont_meme_me ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sick and evil that since the rapist jail term is over, it's the victim who is now being forced into isolation from family and friends.
kaseysospacey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:04:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My step dad always came into my room at night,"accidentally " walked in while I was changing or showering, etc etc and my mom told my doctor I was threatening them so they would put me on mental health meds so people wouldn't listen to me about it
DocRocks0 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:39:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Civil lawsuit and restraining order. Easy peasy.
You can possibly sue him and/or your mother for emotional distress. Since he was convicted you have all the proof you need that your mother & him introduce a hostile environment that knowingly causes you distress and prevents you from connecting with the rest of your family.
IANAL but restraining order in your favor is 100% imo and recovering money damages isn't entirely impossible with a good lawyer and the right angle.
MissWatson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:16:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's pretty obvious you're not a lawyer, and you probably have never been court. That's probably not what she needs right now, dude.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She already isn't going to be around them, and i doubt money is going to help reverse the damage. on top of having to relive those moments and deal with them in court.
Leaves_Swype_Typos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That's all bad enough, but the extended family that lets him be at those family functions is really the worst.
Much as I'm in favor of forgiveness or second chances to live your life, that's a line where you obviously don't ever get to rejoin the family gatherings.
damiana8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me she is NC with the mom as well.
j_platypus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:06:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure. I know she didn't speak to her for a number of years, but I think after her infant died they started speaking again. That is also a sad story. She had put the baby to sleep on the couch. 3 month old baby very prone to spitting up. And to prevent him from rolling off she propped clothes all around him. He spit up, and couldn't move his head and she didn't hear him. By the time she woke up it had already been hours.
Avocadosareawesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This breaks my heart as it could happen to anyone. I know they say to sleep when the baby sleeps but I just couldn't do it for this reason and which is why I was so depressed due to lack of sleep and post partum.
thirstyross ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's when you get the boys together and take him off for a walk in the woods.
KangarooJesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't rape a .38
sugarsnapsail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:37:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom had a similar experience, except when her mom found out (because she needed an abortion at 15) she blamed her daughter/my mom for trying to steal her husband and left him. And her. She left her daughter with the man who was raping her when she found out. My mom lived alone with him for another 2 years before managing to run away at 17. Mind boggling.
Avocadosareawesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what's more infuriating. Knowing it's happening and not doing anything or running away and leaving your child with their rapist. I don't care if my kid told me it was my own father, brother, husband. I would fucking kill them and leave. Jesus people are fucked.
Dr_SnM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's completely fair of you. There's no way I'd tolerate that either. If anyone wants to know why you're not coming to family things you damn well tell them, your position is completely unassailable. The guy is filth and so is she.
gigajesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucked
SalmonSushee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there medication for oversexuality? Can't we get it freely distributed?
KangarooJesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oversexuality doesn't cause rape.
SalmonSushee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On my mind it is oversexuality+no impulse control but I'm no expert
KangarooJesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oversexuality + No Impulse Control = Sex/Porn Addiction; not rape
Libidos don't cause rape. A decent human being isn't going to rape someone because they're sexually frustrated. Having no human respect for people and being raised to see them as objects causes rape.
GeniGeniGeni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because flirting makes it TOTALLY ok for your stepfather to have sex with you.
Illadelphian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking christ. How does this happen? How can someone do that to their own daughter? I just don't understand.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 3609 points ยท Posted at 15:23:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in foster care for a bit. It is fucking horrendous. The stats are terrible. There is no vulnerability to a predacious world like an orphans vulnerability. You can talk about privilege until you are blue in the face, but nothing, NOTHING, cuts your feet from underneath you like a lack of family.
And with that lack of family comes impacted education and work earning opportunity, even if you survive childhood rape free. When you turn around and begin raising your own family you have to contend with this:
If your family brings in
30kless than 50k a year, you have twice the statistical chance of being sexually assaulted before you turn 18. That chance doubles again if your household makes less than20k15k a year. The single biggest risk to your children getting fucked by an adult is cohabitating with a non-biologically related male.Poverty aids and abets rapists. You don't get to have a normal shot in the US unless your family gets 50k a year.
EDIT: Source: Bureau of Justice Statistics. (2014). Household Poverty And Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008โ2012
sokolov22 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:32:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to turn this into an abortion debate, but this is part of the reason why I question the pro-life stance. If one really cared about the lives of children, one of the major issues is what happens to children like these who end up without their parents for one reason or another. This, for me, is far more urgent than defining "personhood." These kids are already born and actively suffering in the real world.
theGurry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the government for you.
They will bend over backwards to protect your rights and freedoms, until the minute you are born? Then you're on your own.
RscMrF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I mean they are two separate issues really. One can care about both. I am not against abortion really, but I can see the reasons why people are, it's hard not to imagine when you think about a life and all it can mean and the fact that abortion cuts that life off before it even had a shot. Isn't anything better than nothing when it comes to life. At least these kids have a shot, they may well come out the end stronger than other kids and live great lives, or not, who knows. Dead is dead though.
Again, not against abortion per se, but it is hard to justify ending a life, especially when, unlike foster kids, there are people who desperately want babies and can't get them. Foster kids are not usually given into to care as babies, they go there once they lose their parents and are too old to be desired by those looking to adopt.
sokolov22 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:55:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are absolutely separate issues, I agree.
And I think it's perfectly fine to say "Abortion is murder so I am against it." I just think it's a bit disingenuous to claim it's about the child if your caring stops once it is born.
Similarly, in Texas politicians claim the anti-abortion laws are about "women's health" and all we see is declining stats for women's health in the state.
LSDeeezNutz ยท 993 points ยท Posted at 15:28:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are interesting stats. What makes it fucked up is how money is almost always at the base of problems. Makes you wonder what itd be like if we found another way to operate the world
DocRocks0 ยท 732 points ยท Posted at 15:36:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good start would be to socially and politically shun anyone who thinks redistributing income more fairly is tantamount to communism.
Lot of dumbass people in this country making <20-30k that practically BEG for their bosses & company officers to get raises and tax breaks at their expense whenever it's time to step in a voting booth.
molotovzav ยท 387 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the thing, I used to think "I don't want my money going to this guy and that guy" and I've realized, money talks.
I don't mind paying more into taxes so little kids can eat, have a home, and have a higher chance of avoiding sexual assault. We gotta invest in the next generation, that's who's going to hold down the economy when we're old, like we're now starting to do (I'm 27).
I don't want my taxes spent on ridiculous military spending when its basically wasted :/ and not even going to the right parts of the military (read soldiers). I want it to go to education, food, etc.
Nationally around 43% of children live in low-income families. In some states that can be above 50% of children in below the poverty line households.
Its not like we're just "subjecting some kids to a worse life because their poor", we're subjecting MOST kids to a worse life, because they are poor. We're gutting our next generation of professionals. Doctors, lawyers, etc, there aren't enough rich kids to fill the need (I myself am first gen graduate, first JD in my family). Professionals don't grow on trees, we are going to need more college educated to fill the gaps, and we can't gut their chances so young :[
sticky-buns ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:53:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this.
This is, I think, a core fight in our society and culture. Many people are in the middle, but on one side you have people whose primary concern is that other people don't get more than what they deserve, and on the other side are those whose primary concern is about people getting less than what they need.
Speaking personally, I care very little if a system attracts some freeriders, if it lessens the amount of suffering in the world.
Geminel ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 20:31:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Our justice system was originally designed in a way which was intended to ensure that it never convicts an innocent person, even if that means 9 out of every 10 guilty persons tried are found innocent.
In the same way, I wish our social programs were designed to ensure that no person who wants to seek the opportunities to better themselves are prevented from doing so - even if it were to mean 9 out of 10 welfare recipients never did anything.
sticky-buns ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:49:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a perfect comparison! I'm not sure why it never occurred to me!
DynamicDK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:14:30 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. In fact, this is almost going to be a necessity in the near future. As automation replaces entire sectors of the economy, there literally aren't going to be enough jobs for people to do...especially for people who are not educated. At that point, universal basic income is going to need to be implemented.
And, it will be fucking fine. If some people want to subsist on a standard amount of income, and not work for more, then they should have that option. The people who want more will work for more, and those who don't want more will not. Automation will make everything more efficient anyway, so it isn't like those people being out of the workforce is going to be an actual drain on us. Quite the contrary, it could be a boon. Most crime would go down, as the majority of crime is born out of desperation and poverty. Those people at the bottom would be less stressed, and could have better nutrition, so they would be less of a burden on the healthcare system. Plus, a lot of substance abuse is based on escaping a stressful life that would no longer be an issue.
On top of that, with the free time they have, a lot of these people WOULD eventually find productive things to do. They may not think that they want to work, but humans are creative, curious creatures. Many would come across subjects that interest them, and end up deciding to get an education to join the workforce, or create something new on their own.
agent0731 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:41 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, ofc, often touted by those with so much wealth that they couldn't deserve it in a million lifetimes.
pointlessbeats ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:38:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you DON'T want your money going towards the research and development of more and more powerful weapons containing nuclear material or the efficiency to wipe out hundreds of thousands of people in one hit? You must hate America!
ailish ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:10:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the problem is that too many people who are already old figure they got theirs, so they don't care about the next generation. They'll be dead, so what difference does it make to them?
sticky-buns ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:01:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What leaves me gobsmacked is that most of those people have children and many have grandchildren.
ailish ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:08:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, look at Trump. A man in a position to actually do something about it. He has a young son, but doesn't seem to care at all about the world his son will have to live in in 20-50 years. All he cares about is what he can get right now.
CallMehBigP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People make me so mad.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very much understand your point. I have couple of questions though. 1) Are you sure theres is a shortage of professionals/future professionals? I'm a college sophmore, who's been through admissions process 3 times, and I swear this is the hardest time for any kid, rich or poor, to get into a good college. However, I do agree that this difficulty affects lower income students more. When you have shit going on at home, theres no time or money for clubs, extracurriculars, expensive hobbies, act prep ect... I wonder if having too many professionals has a detrimental effect as well. All thoughts welcome.
2) Are we sure that its the absence of money itself that causes these problems for lower-income kids, ex sexual assault? Is it possible that it's the result of parental behavior that leads to low income? In other words, if we gave those same families making 20k a year all 100k, would the incident rate drop?
metastasis_d ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:21:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The absence of money correlates with lack of options. That lack of options may be what causes these statistics.
Anarchistnation ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lack of money is also the cause of the lack of options.
Source: I literally only have one option left and it really is that desperate in poverty.
arbyq5000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is the full version of that equation, for sure
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:17:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do actually. We import professionals from over seas. While about 66% of immigration happens to join family members here, something like 10 or 15% are educated professionals that come here in work visas. About 25% of our healthcare positions are filled by immigrants. There is such heavy nurse shortages some places that it's better to import cheaper labor in the form of a work visa.
Here's an article that breaks down the labor force by industry.
tylamarre ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:04:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for asking these questions, I had the same thought. Correlation does not equal causation. Giving money to people doesn't fix everything. How often do poor people win the lottery and end up poor again in a matter of months? This is more likely a systemic issue resulting from poor primary and secondary education followed by prohibitively expensive post secondary education and a lack of social services.
droppinkn0wledge ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"If we just gave child molesters more money, they'd stop molesting."
Ebmoclas ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm quite stunned that is the take away you came out with and indeed think that is what anyone is advocating for.
Orngog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't shock me, those with the "im smart" usernames tend to say dumb stuff.
AmadourHandeloup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All this man said was what was said above. Not the take away but a decent point to bring up.
an0rexorcist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you have to be particularly intelligent or capable to graduate college so maybe he means that we will have a lack of good professionals that we actually want to be creating our future. I know I went to college with some real idiots
elseedubya ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the first JD in my family, and you couldn't have said my feelings better if they'd come from my own mouth.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is who is paying their taxes, it's mostly middle-class families paying a brunt of the taxes - actually wealthy people pay little or nothing in taxes due to the intentionally obfuscated tax codes. It's all struggling families that hold up the existing social programs we have and that's why you find them voting against their best interests; They're desperately struggling to get some relief even if 50% of that relief goes to people way out of their class.
grundo1561 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:05:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The F-35 cost 1.5 trillion dollars. That's sickening.
tribe171 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:33:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have spent 22+trillion in the War on Poverty and yet poverty rates are about the same as when we started. Funnily enough, before the War on Poverty poverty rates were steadily declining. Poverty ratea only leveled out once the War on Poverty was initiated.
Doctor0000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:39:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using 22 trillion dollars at 100% efficiency, every adult American citizen could be given a thousand dollars a month until they die.
The nn*
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:20:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many more jets do we need to kill all the poverty?
Orngog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you just mean America, but we're on track to eliminate absolute poverty
Unsounded ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:17:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is people instantly get defensive when redistribution of wealth is brought up. The people are the bottom want it blindly, and the people at the top want to stop it all costs. The people in the middle are then convinced it's a horrible thing by the people at the top, who have the money to advertise, lobby, and make things happen.
What this does is skew the truth. If you look at plans and potential ideas for things like universal healthcare, free higher education, and welfare systems generally they have tax brackets that have different percentages they have to pay. The people in the middle remain almost uneffected, if not better off tax-wise under redistribution plans. But the elite confuse and skew these facts through lies and lobbying to republicans to make it seem like the devil.
Just look at the last major election, while not perfect in any sense, Bernie had some plans and ideas about free higher education. If you actually looked at what was laid out the middle class stood to benefit the most - due to their children being the most likely to go to school and them being the most likely to take out parent loans.
But they also have had propaganda thrown at them due to lobbying from the elite since the 80s to convince them that anything that has to do with wealth distribution to be related to communism, which is bad. I swear if the American people actually took their emotions out of things and critically examined politics then our country wouldn't be in the state it is now.
OliveBranchMLP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I don't agree with educating the young and redistributing our wealth a little bit, but isn't there a massive glut of college graduates right now?
ThatSquareChick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:04 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glut of meaningless degrees, myself included. Iโve got an associates in office professionalism. Itโs basically a secretary. It wonโt actually get me anything more than what I could get actually being at a job for a few years and moving up to a lower management position and anything more would require a better, fuller business degree. Think of how many people go for arts or gender studies, we used to tell kids to get any degree, literally any one and theyโd get the best jobs. I was a part of that and now I strip for a living.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some of the people that want to go to school dont have the money or means to find it, and scholarships are biased against them because they're white males.
Such a dumb system all around, god damn.
fraghawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:18 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if you did better in school maybe you would've gotten scholarships. I'm a white male with a upper middle class family. I did pretty well in high school and had tons of scholarships available to me my senior year
ultramagnum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:19 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your assumption is that the taxes are being allocated efficiently. Which is far from the truth. We already have a tremendous amount of social welfare in this country; where are the results of all the improvements it's made to people's lives?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:09 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the funds allocated to social welfare primarily goes to the wallets of bureaucrats. Rarely does it trickle down to the actual poor. We see the same in non-profit organizations such as United Way.
ultramagnum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:03 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! Throwing money doesn't solve the problem. It takes social change and communities imo.
anothercarguy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, with gov, the money doesn't get there. If it does, the problem decreases, so then does the funding and the bureaucrat loses their job. So they must perpetuate the problem
Edwardian ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you on everything you said (except some on the military as it does drive research that helps us all) BUT, the money doesn't go to the kids... Would you be OK working your 40-80 hours per week to support someone with kids who doesn't work by choice? or is only willing to work part time? This is where socialism breaks down. "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need" leaves those with exceptional ability and ethics worn into the ground for no gain of their own, so there is no incentive to excel or work hard.
sticky-buns ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:04:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would absolutely be okay working 40 hours a week and having a reasonable standard of living while someone else mooched off the system, yes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do that right now, but I assume you're not donating the majority of your check to those less fortunate than you. Why? Tons of people are a part of the effective altruism movement and donate most of their income to others. Put your money where your mouth is.
Edwardian ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even knowing that for the same work you're doing now, your standard of living would likely be lower than it is today?
I wouldn't be ok with that. Down vote all you want, but I work hard to learn more and provide product and services that others can't so I can have things I want. I don't mind paying taxes to provide necessary healthcare for those who can't afford it, or food for children, but I stop at elective medical procedures, or raising the standard of living for those who don't make an effort to do it for themselves.
sticky-buns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't. It wouldn't be lower. That's what you aren't understanding.
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, without taking money from any other programs, you can give away billions of dollars without raising taxes? Sure, just print more, inflation doesn't apparently exist in your world...
sticky-buns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, with raising taxes!
Also with saving a shit-ton of money on health care and even more by ending the drug war.
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no doubt you're right about both of those. Not sure how you manage legalized meth and heroin, but I'm sure it can be done.
I don't think you save anything on healthcare. What has the government ever become involved in where it became more efficient?
sticky-buns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of places. In fact, Medicare is drastically more efficient than private insurance companies.
This becomes clearer if you take a look at what you mean by "efficiency". In this context, I would define efficiency as the general rate at which incoming funds are spent on the desired outcomes. To me, if you take a healthy populace as your goal, every dollar of profit amounts to inefficiency, as does every ad buy telling people to purchase X insurance or go to Y hospital. The same goes for needing to train and retain staff at medical facilities to navigate the intricacies of the various competing insurance systems. There's a ton of administrative redundancy, too. A of this is money that could be spent treating patients - or expanding facilities, or doing research, or purchasing new equipment; you name it.
This extends beyond the health care system itself, too. In my workplace, a department of about fifty people, we wasted over a hundred labor hours on open enrollment last year - to say nothing of the amount of time and money spent by corporate on the whole deal. A universal health care system would negate the need for virtually all of that expense.
NewOpera ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 16:27:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just have something more efficient than the government do this? The government is where the incompetents go to work.
Edit: Downvoting this doesn't make it less true, it just means you're that much more uneducated.
monkwren ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:31:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, actually, its not. Almost every US federal program has a lower rate of waste and fraud than their private equivalents.
Invisiblechimp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:46:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the whole reason the government stepped in to do the job is because charities weren't cutting it, but there is the pernicious belief that government is too inefficient.
Bradyhaha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Government is transparent, so you get to see the ineffeciencies. Private enterprise doesn't show you their inefficiency, so people who are incapable of critical thought have a hard time understanding the difference.
sticky-buns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Private enterprise is directly incentivized to be inefficient, in terms of providing consumer outcomes. If the thing you value is, for example, health care, every dollar spent on something other than patient outcomes is inefficiency - every penny of profit, every advertisement bought, every labor hour required to train someone to wade through the morass of competing insurance systems.
Of course, the flip side of that coin is that if you're a financial stakeholder in that industry, every dollar spent on something that doesn't directly improve your payouts is "inefficiency" from your perspective. So fuck it, why not cut staffing ratios, if you can get away with it?
monsata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A perfect summation of why a for-profit health care system is the most evil thing devised by modern man.
sticky-buns ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:57:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turn it around. Corporations have a profit motive - the built-in, fundamental incentive is to cut costs as much as you can get away with, to maximize your profits. Government, by contrast, starts from the premise of "this is what we want to achieve.
And while it could do better, I think that that's a matter of changing some of the structure, and getting more people more involved and invested. Provide more accountability for those making the decisions and overseeing the programs.
NewOpera ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or alternatively create a for profit government entity. It works for something like the HK or Singapore public transport.
Besides, governments start with the objective of "this is how much we need to spend to get a budget next year".
Source: worked for the CDC, EMA (The European FDA), and pharma companies.
DocRocks0 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're factually incorrect and it makes me sad to know you believe this.
And you want to talk about incompetents? Look at Equifax - a private company that just lost 58+% of Americans social security number and all other financial information because they had security that a first year computer science major would be appalled by.
Things like the EPA, education, prisons, etc. must be handled by the government because privatization means that the companies' goal is to make a profit and not to do their actual job.
NewOpera ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol I was thinking of something like FEMA or Soup kitchens when I said that. Obviously, some things like prisons etc shouldn't be private.
EffOffReddit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buddy, no.
atzenkatzen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there is any type of post that is worth downvoting, it is one that tries to insult people into not downvoting it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with that. Israel outright owns us, and they brag about it as well.
fuckusnowman ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 16:32:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What people don't realise is that this is the culmination of decades of intentional de-education for poor people.
Don't blame the poor for their choices. They're just doing what they have been brainwashed to do.
It's the same with every egregiously odd facet of the US political system. Guns, no free healthcare, no taxes, small government, stopping pollution control, opposition to immigration and free education, seeing global warming as a hoax, they're all the same with the same cause.
A small but incredibly well funded group of people and organisations have spent billions and decades fooling the poor and ignorant, and many of the not-so-poor and ignorant, into believing that they need to vote for things that are solely against their interests. Not only that, but they have been told that all the problems in their lives are as a direct result of not having enough of these things.
School shooting? Not enough guns.
Your dad died because he couldn't afford health insurance? Too much government interference.
Your local school is shit? Too much government spending on schools.
Your employer pays a poverty wage? It's the fault of immigrants. See also: raising the minimum wage so you get paid more will make you worse off.
You have an employment problem you need help with? Better not join a union, those fat cats only want to line their own pockets.
Your local nature reserve is full of pollution? Better defund the EPA.
Terrorists keep attacking? We need more wars.
Your local services are shit because your local government has so little revenue they can't pay for it? It's because taxes are too high.
Feel that 'Washington elites' don't represent you? You should vote for the superwealthy.
What makes it worse is that The Conned have been told that these issues are intrinsic to their lives and 'American values'. Anyone who challenges isn't just wrongly promoting harmful ideas, they are a threat to your very way of life.
This is why it's so impossible to have rational discussions with these people. You're discussing facts and they're flying off the handle because they've been told people like you hate them and everything they hold dear.
I don't blame them, for they know not what they do. They are the victims of a deliberate and sustained fraud that they lack the capacity to resist. It is no more their fault than it is the fault of bewitched cultists for following their chosen leader.
Fighting this challenge, this utter demolition of rationality, is going to be the biggest challenge facing the US. Your very survival depends on it and yet the battle may already be lost.
outofunity ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I step foot in a Wal-Mart and Sam's Club exactly once a month when I take my grandmother shopping. We always stop by the book section to look for a new James Patterson book. There always seems to be one too, I'm convinced they taught an AI to generate murder mysteries... but I digress...
While in the book section I always look at the selection available and every time there is at a minimum three right wing propaganda books pushing the hard-line right agenda. There are not even moderate commentaries next to them. This is in California, I shudder to think what they carry in a redder state.
These "super-stores" have been pushing out small businesses and competition across the country to be the main supplier for many communities, especially poorer ones. Combine this with Sinclair and it is scary how much the right is able to force their narrative onto these unsuspecting communities.
ColSamCarter ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember as a kid looking for something to do in Wal-Mart while my mom was shopping. I used to go to the book section (because I like books) and then just stand there in confusion, because there was absolutely nothing to read except the Bible and the Left Behind series.
But there are 29 different kinds of tupperware in that store.
DocRocks0 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply if I could give --good-- ATM I would.
Edit: gold... I wish I could give good ๐ญ
sticky-buns ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't buy reddit gold. The admins of this site are complicit in supporting a platform for spreading a particularly nasty and virulent version of exactly this propaganda. Had they chosen to act, given that this is the fourth-most-popular website on the internet, there definitely would have been an impact on the radicalization we've been seeing - which has resulted in one successful murder so far as well as quite a few other attempts. They don't deserve even our traffic - please don't reward them further with your dollars.
Fincow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:10:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unsure what you're trying to say? What side are you speaking for?
sticky-buns ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:11:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm speaking for myself, as a person who doesn't support Nazis.
Ebmoclas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you tell me a bit more about this please? I don't think I know of any murders related to Reddit or any attempts even. I'm very curious!
HideTheMoonshine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe they're referring to Charlottesville. T_D was instrumental in organizing the white nationalist "protests" there.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh. Thank you! I've been wracking my brain and couldn't for the life of me work it out. I didn't realise T_D was so involved with that. How disappointing, but I suppose not surprising.
sticky-buns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was attributing that to the radicalization broadly - I don't know whether or not that particular Nazi was a member of that subreddit, but the national "movement" has definitely gotten a huge boost from it.
fuckusnowman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to expand?
sticky-buns ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:14:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. This site hosts a community ostensibly dedicated to the now-President of the United States, which does a ton of work spreading propaganda and radicalizing young white men.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think reddit should ban or censor a sub-forum dedicated to the president?
sticky-buns ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:28:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I absolutely do, when that space is a hate group that spreads violent rhetoric in addition to disrupting the rest of the site.
Actually, any one of those reasons is enough.
Next question.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A forum for fans of the president is a hate group.
Gotcha.
And people called me crazy when i predicted "hate speech" rules will someday be used to censor legitimate political speech.
sticky-buns ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:44:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That specific subreddit is absolutely a hate group, yes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then i think the Democratic Underground forum and the Democrats and BLM and Antifa subreddits are hate groups.
What now?
sticky-buns ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:22:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What now is that it becomes readily apparent to anyone reading the thread that you're making an absurd false equivalence. Anyone can see at a cursory glance racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, nationalism, nativism, and pretty much any other form of bigotry you might care to name, as well as explicit calls to violence, in the subreddit we're talking about.
Try harder next time.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:59:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the forums i mentioned are full of classism, anti-white, anti-christian, anti- white, cisphobia, and many other forms of bigotry. I find it offensive and hateful.
Honestly i cant believe i am engaging with an anti-free-speech activist.
Peace be with you. Try not to be too much of a totalitarian jackboot in the future. ,
sticky-buns ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:09:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those things aren't real.
Nobody in this conversation is calling for the government to do anything. Do you believe that private businesses DO NOT have the fundamental right to do what they will with their resources, within the confines of the law?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hatred on the basis of economic class isnt real? Rich people dont hate poor people because they are poor? Poor people dont hate rich people because they are rich? My experiance on both sides of the fence says you are mistaken.
Reddit has the legal right to censor.
That doesnt mean i encourage it.
an0rexorcist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a hate group because of the content, I think you knew that but maybe you like to dramatize things to make a point
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The forums i mentioned are also hate groups because of the content.
What now?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your second sentence made me stop reading. Don't blame ____ people for their choices?
What kind of condescending BS is that?
CallMehBigP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the rest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. I admit. I read the rest after saying i wouldnt.
I am not one of the people you have in mind.
My household makes more than $200k, less than $1 million.
What now?
Im not poor enough to benfit from your plan.
Im "rich" enough to suffer from it.
Convince me.
CallMehBigP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the poster of that comment. Also, it's called compassion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to retire before 60.
If my tax burden stays the same, i should be able to retire at 55.
Taxes are my biggest single expenditure.
Do you have any compassiom for my situation?
CallMehBigP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have compassion for you and your situation, but just how "comfortable" is your budget? How often do you eat out, go to the movies, etc. Could you sacrifice such things if necessary?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last movie i saw was Rogue One. Eating out means Whataburger on Friday night. I am funding my younger brother's education. Im am preparing to set up a fund for my best friend's umborn child's education.
90 percent of "rich people" are struggling to meet the goals they have set for themselves.
The biggest thing we struggle against is taxation. Federal taxes, property taxes, school taxes, capital gains taxes, etc eat up most of my income.
CallMehBigP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to be a good person with respect pursuits and lifestyle. I withhold previous statements
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:47:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
propaganda has been used and refined by the plutocracy for centuries, and with the advent of modern entertainment and technology, it's even more omnipresent than ever before. you can't really blame people for voting against their interests. truly, they don't know any better, and don't have the resources or time to become educated any differently (if they could look past their anti-intellectual sentiment for a moment.)
molotovzav ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:21:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not disagreeing with you, just expanding on that anti-intellectual sentiment.
If you don't know, you trust those who do. You ask questions and listen to those who know more, that's the mark of an intelligent person, regardless of education level.
What do we do to help those who don't want to ask, those who distrust professionals and experts? Those who have been trained by the same propaganda to do so? The resources to become educated argument depends, I agree not everyone has the money for college, but if they hadn't been so anti-intellectual in high school, they could have had at least grants (for being under income levels) and academic scholarships that are direct through the University, no need for an application typically. This is how I went through college and law school. I didn't have rich parents, we were barely middle class (Vegas allows you to make less money and still be middle class, in some areas of the US I would not have been.)
The distrust in education leading to a lack of education has to run deeper, they are almost proud to not be educated. They feel like only the "elitist" are educated in some areas. Its like shooting yourself in the foot from a long term cultural standpoint, but they are a short term people.
More needs to be researched into why this started, and how to combat this. Its not just region specific, but can be concentrated more regionally. I notice in my area (pretty liberal) the older people (silent gen) are more likely to be like this.
zinger565 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:56:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have run into this. It's really frustrating. I have a degree in engineering and work as an engineer in a grain process plant in the midwest. By most measures, I live in a blue collar city, and because of that I can run into bias where people automatically assume that I'm some elitist prick that makes $250k a year (which I don't, and some of them make more than me due to overtime anyways).
sticky-buns ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a propaganda thing. We've always had a populist streak that manifests itself in anti-intellectualism because intellectuals have historically belonged to the elite ruling class - but in the last few decades, the right had established an incredibly robust propaganda-sphere that both takes advantage of that tendency and hugely reinforces it.
tobyspiderman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:31:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is it like shooting yourself in the foot? or is like being shot in the foot and being left to bleed out for the bulk of american history. "they are a short term people" you fucking idiot.
bslow22 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about people who aren't willing to recognize anything beyond their small corner of the world? I don't think you need to study abroad to have a global perspective but I've met so many people that make blanket statements about places they've never been or people they've never met. To me, they're actively deciding to avoid reaching out and getting informed.
Songletters ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:59:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, propaganda and cultural biases can make a person have such a twisted world view that even studying abroad can't change it. I can give you too many examples, including firsthand experiences.
EvanHarpell ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:09:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't want to know better.
As long as you dangle less fortunate people in front of them, they have no problem maintaining this status quo.
Grabbsy2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:24:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reality TV makes a whole lot more sense, now.
Guncriminal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:38:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear the sound of rotor blades in your future.
Joetato ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:44:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been seeing a lot of this. As best I can tell and this is really just for what I've personally seen, people seem to think the government takes and keeps the money. eg, I saw someone say "At least Trump made and earned his money honestly and didn't get rich by using taxes to steal it from citizens like Bernie Sanders did." Um... that's not quite how it works.
BIGJ0N ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:16:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that I'm going to get shit on for this, but I strongly feel that saying tax cuts are at the poor's expense is a misrepresentation.
Wealthy people pay many times more taxes per capita than poor people. And this is to get access to comparable returns in investment- as far as access to emergency resources, roads, etc.
So when you cut taxes for the wealthy, this isn't at the poor's expense. The poor are already making use of taxpayer funded programs predominantly funded at the wealthy or middle class's expense. These tax cuts aren't "at your expense", they're just not as much at expense of the wealthy.
Taxes will continue to be at the expense of those earning higher incomes. Just because the wealthy are currently legally obligated to pay that money currently doesn't mean that that's your money that you are entitled to in perpetuity.
umaijcp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am going through this mine collapse of a thread, and lo, you step up to grab onto that timber.
Braver than I.
jess_albas_twin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:38:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
exactly, it reads like some wealthy primary school kids brainstorming the solution to the worlds problems,
BIGJ0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind if people feel like a more liberal ideology is better for America, but man so many people just talk out of their ass and completely misrepresent things. I can't stand how acceptable blatant ignorance is to many people.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:10:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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arbyq5000 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:48:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
American citizens are starving under your watch, Captain Capitalism
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:37 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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arbyq5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:28 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you don't know what poor is
jess_albas_twin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well said comrade, we should all be equally poor
KneadedByCats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:31:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The poor, misunderstood 1%! Like the exemplary Alice Walton, who spent all of her youth diligently "working" towards that fat Walmart inheritance, and then drunkenly ran over a person and never spent a day in jail. What a paragon of nobility!
If only we upstart 99% could learn to respect our betters. It really is a shame.
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny that the poor in America are actually FATTER than the elite because of how much abundancr we have.
No one's starving here in America. Now compare that to the breadlines in venezuala and I think I know which system works better
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, because that's exactly what most civilizations have done in the past. Take peoples wealth and goods for their own.
fhfygfombffycyg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know that the lack of money itself is the problem... the poor and middle class have value systems that lead to different outcomes. Giving poor woman money wouldn't help the problem as instilling middle class values (as it relates to family structure/ responsibility etc).
Veedree_Sweden ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:45:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! That statement (...Lot of dumbass people making $20-30K practically beg...) illustrates our society's failure to foster a just and fair world so families in turn can ensure a healthy and safe upbringing for children.
Thanks for sharing
sticky-buns ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:50:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For that matter, we could stop using "communism" as a scare word to begin with.
Val_P ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:27:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should just kinda gloss over the ~100 million people that poisonous ideology murdered last century?
sticky-buns ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:12:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That poisonous ideology"? Is that true in the same way that capitalism has committed several genocides?
Val_P ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daniel Goldhagen argues that 20th century Communist regimes "have killed more people than any other regime type."[52] Other scholars in the fields of Communist studies and genocide studies, such as Steven Rosefielde, Benjamin Valentino, and R.J. Rummel, have come to similar conclusions.[2][26][53] Rosefielde states that it is possible the "Red Holocaust" killed more non-combatants than "Ha Shoah" and "Japan's Asian holocaust" combined, and "was at least as heinous, given the singularity of Hitler's genocide." Rosefielde also notes that "while it is fashionable to mitigate the Red Holocaust by observing that capitalism killed millions of colonials in the twentieth century, primarily through man-made famines, no inventory of such felonious negligent homicides comes close to the Red Holocaust total."
sticky-buns ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:37:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#Pre.E2.80.931948_examples
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#Colonialism_and_genocide_in_the_Americas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#United_States_colonization_and_westward_expansion
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_conquest_of_Algeria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocide
I've got to head back to work, but you can keep going if you like:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
Val_P ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:39:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that capitalism and imperialism are different things, right?
sticky-buns ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:40:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that those were still capitalist economics, right?
Hell, we're still doing both.
jess_albas_twin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:51:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah the numbers are close, but then capitalism was the dominant form in the majority of the world for hundreds of years while communism was only practiced by a small no. of nations and for a much shorter time...
sticky-buns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they're definitely not close.
jess_albas_twin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:10:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i mean sure communism is higher no one disputes that, but you still need to be fair in the comparison
sticky-buns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, the old reddit bullshittaroo
Val_P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, the communist brainwashing is real, haha. You guys come off like religious fundamentalists trying to debate science.
Have fun trying to institute a monstrous (and thankfully dead) ideology that directly caused the deaths of nearly a hundred million people.
Directly.
sticky-buns ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You guys"? Which guys are those, please?
Val_P ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:03:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism evangelists.
sticky-buns ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:16:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you yet seen me evangelize for anything? Literally all I've done is to criticize your terrible argument. I don't know enough about communism to feel like I can have an informed opinion on whether it's a good idea - if it requires a planned economy, for example, that seems rather foolhardy, at least on a broad scale - but I do know that horrible, horrible atrocities have been committed not just in and by capitalist nations, but as an extension of capitalism. Trying to sweep that under the rug does nobody any favors.
Val_P ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:55:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologetics would be more apt, but it amounts to the same thing.
Literally all you've done is advocate for communism and against capitalism, and highlighted your ignorance of history in the process.
sticky-buns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, you haven't seen me advocate for anything. This is purely projection on your part.
sticky-buns ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:31:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny! Here's what that block of text does:
Genocides committed under a communist economic system are a result of communism and communist ideology
Genocides that occur under a capitalist economic system are - wait, look over there, what's that?
Sometimes significantly less bad things happen under capitalist economic systems, but they aren't as bad, so, we cool.
Nice one!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sticky-buns ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:39:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, literally just repeating points one and two: when bad things happen under a communist economic system, they're the result of communism; but when they happen under a capitalist economic system, they're just terrible tragedies.
Keep it coming!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many people have died in the name of capitalist imperialism in the last 100 years?
We don't count, because they died to maintain our standard of living.
That isn't even going into detail about how much of a misnomer calling the authoritarian regimes in the USSR and PRC et all "Communism" is.
Val_P ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:13:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the classic "WHATABOUT?!" and "That wasn't REAL communism!!!"
JulianCaesar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:29:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fox told me every single Democratic President for the past 50 years was a communist and they didn't do too bad. If anything, the right helped legitimize communism more than any actual commy could've.
Val_P ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:35:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the left is in the process of doing that to the term "fascist."
JulianCaesar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely do not feel that pre bush2 politicians are fascist. Even today there's quite a few right-centrist republicans and libertarian flavoured republicans. I think the left mostly attacks specific politicians and right is more general in their attacking.
I actually think that is part of why democrats lost footing recently. They don't generally attacking the party enough.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:05:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue isn't wealth redistribution. It's the laws and programs the enable people to be trapped in poverty.
We shouldn't be putting people on life support programs that create a disincentive to work. We need a system that promotes skill growth and provides a bit of leverage to prevent worker exploitation.
Everytime I hear this tax crap, all I can think is that you've never had to pay a high effective tax rate just for working harder. Let people get out what they put in, but give everyone the same opportunity.
Equality of opportunity > Equality of outcome
sticky-buns ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:11:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may pay a higher effective rate, but you take more home regardless. And please don't tell me that you think that making more and working harder inherently go hand in hand.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:42:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Define work, because moving up pay scales generally requires more responsibility or skills.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:38:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was head custodian at a middle school. His responsibility was to keep the grounds clean and safe for children, to clean up puke when kids got sick and clean up broken glass when idiots broke bottles on the asphalt. He ensured the infrastructure of the school was maintained properly to foster an environment conductive to teaching the next generation. I make more than he ever did, working for a company that sells furniture to bougie fuckwads. On a description for a product, I have written "proudly designed and made in the USA" right next to "Warning: this item contains materials or chemicals known to cause cancer". I'm pretty sure I made more money than my dad making foo-foo lattes for those same bougie fuckwads - over the course of five years, I never made more money than someone who had been newly hired into my same position; meanwhile I watched as quality of the items I served declined- as we were instructed to discontinue our quality-control measures and not teach them to the new hires - and watched the prices for these goods rise.
My fiance, who has never worked a service industry job in his life, and didn't get a job that wasn't under-the-table until he was 22, makes 3x what I do to write code for a product that will allow large companies to streamline their own processes and thus make more money.
Don't tell me "responsibility" has anything to do with wage. Our current economic system values making more money over anything else. Anything that doesn't fall under the category of "makes us more money" may as well not exist.
sticky-buns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure - that's within one job, though. Not even one career.
w1ten1te ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:57:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why even collect taxes, then? There is no redistribution of wealth occurring if you just get back what you put in.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So redistribution is the sole basis for taxation? Pretty strange.
TripleCast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:13 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean...kind of right? Roads, public services, ect. are really a distribution of value across a community.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:10:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we have public goods and service that are essential to a robust economy. Roads, schools, law enforcement, etc.
I can argue the efficiency of that spending, but conceptually it's an investment that benefits more than it costs. The same can be said for investing in a skilled workforce. If we are going to pay taxes they should be treated as a form of investment, not blanket wealth redistribution.
outofunity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, apt username.
OceanFixNow99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Canadian, but I think that the Justice Democrats platform seems like what Americans should be pushing for.
Anarchistnation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes let's bring back that un-American activities committe so revered in the 50s for weeding out communism, but just do it for conservatives and other people we deem as political enemies. It worked so well before!! Maybe people like you really would do better with a helicopter ride....
BlueFaIcon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:26:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a fair statement. As someone who works 70-80hrs a week(100% my choice) as a skilled trade worker, when you start talking about redistributing funds, I freak the hell out. I don't think I need to waste time explaining why.
Please, I'm here asking that you consider these people you want to shun, as the very hard working Americans that they are. Americans who make good money solely from the effort their bodies can put out. We are the loud vocal group most of the time critiquing this redistribution of funds.
DocRocks0 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:57:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but Jesus did you think I was talking about you? Do you think most people talking about wealth redistribution have you in mind?
I think you SHOULD make more if you work more or have valuable skills or prerequisite training / education. When I talk about wealth redistribution I'm referring to people making 50-500x the salary of their average employees.
Yes, you have your Elon Musks's and Bill Gates' of the world and their personal wealth allows for investment into new project and charity, but the vast majority of what they did came from the revenue of selling their revolutionary products + services and stayed effectively inside the company. Most millionaires and billionaires, though, don't do anything with their money except hoard it in offshore bank accounts which hurt our economy. Every dollar sitting in their vaults unspent is a dollar not circulating in the marketplace and that hurts both regular folk and the economy as a whole.
Sorry for readability I had to rush this while in line for a table.
BlueFaIcon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:55:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't agree more. Those people aren't on reddit, and a vast majority of them you will never come in contact with. So if you never see them who are you shunning?
The redistribution of wealth has and continues to only occur through government programs. Programs notoriously paid for though tax increases to anyone but the rich and our social security.
jess_albas_twin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
explains everything, wealthy privileged people thinking they know whats best for those poor plebs,
no, anything to support that apart from your imagination?
Fedor_Gavnyukov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's what reddit tells him
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you think that the voting booth is where the bosses and officers of private companies get their raises from? Hmm, interesting (incorrect) idea.
I don't want my income "redistributed". I want to hold onto it to live my life, reach my financial goals, and to help people and causes as I see fit.
If you want to shun me for that, have at it. Won't bother me one bit.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:44:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:22:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jess_albas_twin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the principle of taking what some peple have or work for by force and giving it to others is true for all of its forms, that was their point
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jess_albas_twin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What damage has Nestle done exactly? people are forced to leave their home with no voice/choice or compensation? where has that happened? so? you think someone is going to dedicate 15+ years to study, med school, residency, then work for peanuts to make you feel better?
its almost as if you don't understand your quote, employers and insurance companies are beholden to their employees and customers, man, No one is an island,
life is hard and unfair, if people choose to die thats up to them, its much better than forcing other people to serve them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jess_albas_twin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what is that link supposed to prove?
yeah those factories give people a choice to work in better conditions with higher pay than their other options, the monsters!
people work for what they are worth, id love for everyone to be an astronaut and drive ferraris but reality won't allow it.
i know about socialism, so do most people that don't like it, that's why they don't like it, not that they simply don't know anything about it.
you don't need propaganda against communism, just look at it in practice, it is its own anti-communism propaganda
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Because the government had an entire continent to develop that was untouched as compared to Europe. Now that the cost of living has risen so highly a form of socialism will be needed. Don't like it? Tough luck dude. But the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:12 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:10 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you define as Socialism. And btw, Afghanistan is capitalist. Is that a country you would like to move to?
Oh of course. The rich are getting richer. The poor are getting poorer. If you're cool with that, then whatever. But many are not.
Sorry. But Trump got elected on a POPULIST platform. Otherwise, the Republican fat cats would have tried to give Cruz or Rubio the nomination. So the newest generation (which voted for Obama!!!) are far from Conservative. Go drown your sorrows on the failed "war on drugs" " war on terror" and many other failed operations all brought to you by the brave GOP (mic drop).
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:05 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rich are getting richer but the poor are NOT GETTING POORER :)
The poor are getting richer thankfully. Do you want to know why the middle class is shrinking? Because 37% of the middle class are now considered upper class.
I understand your resentment for the GOP. They're a good scapegoat for failed Democratic policies that have raped the inner cities, contributed to the 70% single motherhood in black families, and have left them dependent upon the government titty.
And I agree with you on the drug war and that Trump is a populist. I would much rather have a libertarian president that would shrink the size of the federal government.
I don't give a damn about 2 dudes getting married, I don't care if some irresponsible woman gets an abortion, and I certainly don't care what a tax paying citizen puts in his/her body,and I think the government tends to fuck things up in general for all of us.
But the last thing I want is the government to expand in the name of redistribution or socialism.
And also, yes this newest generation IS CONSERVATIVE. https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/eric-metaxas/next-generation-americans-gen-z-may-be-most-conservative-wwii
This is a great liberal sticking point that you guys like to trot out because you think this "progressivism" is the future but thankfully it's not. Social Conservatism has seen a huge comeback, thank God! Not only that but millenials aren't getting married or having kids thanks to their beliefs and anti-children stance.
Anti-feminism and pro Nation stances are extremely popular with the newest gen that is sick and tired of being told to be ashamed of yourself. The reason that Trump won was because of the pride in the U.S. and most of all being anti politically correct.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, not tough luck. I will fight you, and one way or another, i will win. Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you will lose. Look at California. You pricks wanted that cheap labor so bad, you let in millions of illegals who vote Democrat. LOL! How did that turn out for you? Good going loser! Socialism will come to America whether you like it or not. Suck it up buttercup.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:48:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us pricks? You? We? Who are you speaking of? Who who do you think i am?
Im willing to kill and die for what i believe in.
Namely that i own my own life.
I trade half of my life for money. Right now, you commies take 50 percent of that. So you take 1/4 of my life from me.
If you took 100 percent, i would onsider that literal slavery and take action. Obviously.
There is a line somewhere between 25 percent (current) and 100 percent (your goal). Just because you and your fellow travelers have not crossed it yet doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
When you cross that line, and 3 million Americans take up arms against you, whats your plan? Do you think you value your "right" to steal from me more than i value my right to my life, liberty, and the product of it (property)?
Who will do your dirty work and 3am door-kicking for you? Because i can garun-damn-tee you wont be doing it yourself. Thats for fucking sure.
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:32 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL that dumbass actually thinks we're just going to lay down and let the government overrule us! Socialism is brutally failing in every single society and America is thriving. We're so rich that even our poor are obese.
He thinks socialism will win because he spends all his time in the Reddit bubble with majority liberal teens, Europeans, and hard Bernie Sanders leftists. No free stuff for him or the dumbass antifa members, they're going to have to get off their fat asses and actually work for a living!
We're moving away from socialism not towards it. We have a Republican president, Republican majority house, and a Republican majority Congress.
Oh and just to sweeten the pie, the newest generation is the most conservative gen since WWII! Which I believe is due to the backlash against the ultra liberal past millenial generations that have gone full retard.
And if Communism WERE to take hold I and many other millions and millions of Americans would join you and possibly even fight to the death for our rights.
He's delusional if he thinks he's in the majority. HOWEVER he's 100% right about California and what immigrants have done to it. If we don't curb that shit right now, we may be outnumbered. This is why Democrats love immigration, millions of future voters that are dependant on government handouts that will continue to vote for bigger government. Americans are heavily opposed to the poisonous Communist ideology but foreigners are not. We have to fight that every step of the way.
ThugExplainBot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ok. Or stop flipping burgers and learn a trade.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should they be shunned for not wanting further goverment control, and a deeper hand in their pockets?
DocRocks0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:16:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right? Getting fucked by corporations and big business is fine though because YOU might be rich too one day, right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that means I should want further goverment control, and more of my income taxes away?
Jimmin_Marvinluder ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 15:44:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets remember that correlation does not equate to causation. It's possible that rape is not a product of being poor, but maybe being poor is a product of being a rapist.
Well then, apparently I'm an idiot.
I truly don't understand the reason this comment got such negative feedback. Maybe I presented my thought the wrong way.
an0rexorcist ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:01:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither one of those statements would be even close to accurate because this isnt a simple cause-effect issue
Jimmin_Marvinluder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly my point... My statement was intended for those that believe income/personal wealth has any bearing on their tendency toward sexual assault.
QuinticSpline ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:23:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proposed mechanism?
Jimmin_Marvinluder ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm unfamiliar with that term. I'm sorry.
QuinticSpline ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not enough to say "X and Y are correlated, maybe there is a causal connection" (whichever way it goes). The first part is an observation, but the second is not a hypothesis because it is not testable. If you're going to argue that rape might be a cause of poverty in America, you have to say how that might happen. Something like
This could be our hypothesis, which can be proven to be false if any of those links are broken.
Then we do a simple numbers analysis: Out of 1000 rapes, only 6 lead to incarceration. Even if 100% of prisoners face poverty afterwards, this makes it extremely unlikely for rape to be a primary cause of poverty (FYI, 45 million Americans live below the poverty line).
Jimmin_Marvinluder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only said it might be. Not as an exclusive explanation for it, but as a proposal for a different explanation as to why sexual assault cases are correlated with economic standing. There are obviously an infinite amount of factors that can induce such despicable behavior.
sticky-buns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You proposed a hypothesis. There isn't really a solid underpinning for it. The end.
The hypothesis you seem to be criticizing, I can at least propose mechanisms for. They might involve isolation, social support, and education (including education about what consent is and isn't).
Jimmin_Marvinluder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question: You can't find an underpinning that a person who may tend toward sexual assault may also lack the ethical qualities that lead to a successful life? Also, a person that has actually been convicted of sexual assault would almost certainly face roadblocks to financial success.
AGunShyFirefly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see the point, and it follows to point out there the vast majority of the poor are not rapists, and there are plenty of wealthy rapists, they just go about it with money.
I think the poverty/crime thing is in large part psychological, a lack of security and clear life path coupled with hardships that present a lot of opportunities for a person to disconnect to some degree and lose their objective morality, as said morality is based on connectedness to other people. Its not causality, but tendency. Its more external factors that could potentially compel someone to violent crime.
Novelcheek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't think poverty leads to serious problems that would, on the surface, seem unrelated, I'm not sure you're paying attention, or what to tell you. An analysis of society divorced from class-analysis is empty and useless, to downright reactionary.
wannabecameraguy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:25:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes let's fly it under a different flag so people don't know what it is! But in all seriousness, redistribution of wealth isn't communism yes but it is the first of many steps down the road to communism and one that is integral to that political ideology. Also rested on top of the idea of redistribution of wealth are a whole bunch of other ideologies I don't agree with. So yes, while i feel some people need help through wealth redistribution I think it needs to be done as minimally as possible to keep economic incentives for production as high as possible. That doesn't seem to unreasonable? And it doesn't to a whole lot of conservatives as well, yet all day I read on here is the only reason to vote conservative is 1. You hate poor people . You hate minorities. 3. You're a dumbass.
For example my aunt has a book club and they had to read a book on getting inside the mind of a trump voter, seriously. I just don't see how you can take the mindset that the only reason people vote for "x" is "y" when the world just isn't that simple. It's almost like you have to go out of your way to not understand why people felt the way they did at election season, or at least not listen.
We just need to realize we all want wealth and economic prosperity and instead of spending our time trying to say the right things to win intellectual arguments we rather listen and try to understand someone else perspective because obviously we have been inside on our computers for so long now we don't even know how our ideas got so polarized in the first place. I also think if people took the time to skip generalities and focus on details or things that are at least controllable we would all realize we have the same goals in mind.
Like even if you never end up agreeing with someone if you give them the benefit of the doubt and believe what they are saying for a minute you can find things to take away from it and improve yourself.
PaperCutsYourEyes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way ahead of you buddy.
[deleted] ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 15:44:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No rape or crime in communist Russia?
cthom412 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:48:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said in the first line they werent talking about communism, stop being purposefully obtuse.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, be more acute.
squidlyears ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their post was an attempt to separate societal earnings reallocation from communism, which was presented as fact but not backed up in any way. The person you replied to tried to get the convo back on track to the original post, mocking yet another pro-communism person sandboxing out of context.
Dey say they ain't talkin bout communism but dey is, or inventing some stupid new flavor of it just to avoid the negative association with an ideology that led to the massacre of more people than the holocaust.
cthom412 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're saying that you can have a capitalistic society that doesn't have the income disparity that the US currently has. Taxes aren't communism as much as the tea party wants to say they are.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:14:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just making the point that you are being obtuse if you think that income redistribution will cure societies ills. Have you considered that the income/victim disparity is just a correlation and not causation? low income doesn't cause people to become child rapists.
cthom412 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you there. I didn't agree with that part of the argument, and I don't believe I ever said that I did.
I was only commenting on the fact that closing income disparity isn't in and of itself communism.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is fair. The status quo in the US doesn't seem sustainable. I think that there are practical solutions that don't take away the incentive to work.
justforthissubred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lars_lars_lars don't you know by now you can't argue with feels?
Maalmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not defending communism, but it's rather disingenuous to compare it to the Holocaust. Ofc communism killed more, but the Holocaust was a purposeful premeditated genocide. The deaths directly from Communism (gulags and prison camps would be from the totalitarian leaders, not the form of economy) are due to wildly incompetent leadership and a fundamentally flawed idea when put in present day context. In the future with near 100% automation of blue collar jobs it might be necessary.
cyniqal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that capitalism as an ideology kills more people every year than any "communist" has, right? But to call the red fascism of Stalin or Mao communist in the first place is naive. Communism does not exist without democracy, as it requires a stateless, classless society.
squidlyears ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol every year? You realize that talking like this doesn't give support to any of your bullshit lies, right?
I'm talking about practical communism, that exists in the world today as defined by those who implement it. Not some ivory tower TRUE-SCOTSMAN type shit.
SnorlaxTea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then go live in russia, heard its great over there! :)
squidlyears ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Venezuela, started with cheap gas now you don't have to work for anything!
(Except your life...)
noisypeach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't cut yourself on that /pol/-like edge, mate!
cyniqal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia isn't communist. What's your point?
Communism as an ideology is utopian. Communism itself has never killed anyone. For it to even exist requires humanity to live in a post-scarcity environment. A fascist dictator who calls their nation communist because they have a state sponsored economy, is not communist. Their terrible actions should not but a blight on communism, as they are not even following its core tenants.
It's like saying the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is actually a democratic-republic because it's in the name. It's naive and factually incorrect.
[deleted] ยท -51 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DocRocks0 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:48:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how this relates to my point.
All I got out of this reply is that you equate most poor people with being criminals or mentally retarded and/or ill.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not vaguely accurate, this is well known and has numerous studies backing it up. Access to education is key over all else, whcih the poor see the least of.
Linking to someone from the late/early 1800/1900s who created an unscientific iq test thats no longer used in any appreciable form isnt a source to anything. Also, eugenics. Hes taught as a detriment to psychology in every psych course
n1ywb ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:51:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please cite some sources for your bullshit "facts"
lorthic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They see me trollin, they hatin...
TOMisfromDetroit ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:07:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot if you think criminality and intelligence are the only reasons people are ever poor, get fucked
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TOMisfromDetroit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your clarification helps, thanks
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So some veterans are homeless because they are poor and stupid?
Okay. Generally people are poor for many reasons. Low IQ can be a factor but can't categorize them all into they are poor because they are low IQ. Lots of stupid people are wealthy.
Edit: Also wikipedia isn't the most creditable source. My college professors wouldn't let us cite them on papers. Anyone can put what ever they want on that site and say it's fact.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:15:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know many many many poor people who are neither criminals or dumb people and the amount of anger I felt when I read that was palatable.
People become poor for many reasons. Educate yourself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a lot of correlation with that. People with money can offer their children more opportunities. (Duh) Schools in poor districts don't have as much money from taxes and have to work with a lot less, the kids also often are not encouraged to do much with school (thought process of why would you do that we can't send you to college you will work menial joba like we did) and the schools' fundings are often cut for low test scores so then they have even less money to work with. Not to mention that low income also has higher rate of teen pregnancy due to lack of sex education, access to birth control, etc, causing more issues and people dropping out/ working nights-up all night so not doing well in school. There are so many reasons that x leads to y. I'm homestly surprised someone with internet access and the ability to read isn't aware of this. Hm. Intelligence is a funny thing.
Tugalord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's some grade-a bullshit. Good job, I feel dumber, maybe if I read a couple more of your posts I can contribute to your made-up statistics.
odaeyss ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:08:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha hoooly fuck sources, sources, sources. go research that shit. try and back up your completely bullshit position, you fuckin loser.
OsmeOxys ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're poor, you're probably either very severely retarded or you rape children
Yup, that's a sentence alright.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:10:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats very different from what you said before you edited it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said "if youre poor, youre probably a 1) severely retarded or 2) a criminal (rapist, in context)". Thats... A hell of a lot more than saying "statistically more likely to commit crimes or be disabled".
If that was a miscommunication, youve really got to work on your wording man ._.
Though youre also wrong about the "If youre intelligent, you wont be poor" part. Someone who created an iq test that wasnt peer reviewed and isnt used in any form today isnt a source.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OsmeOxys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then dont say you think that...? I quoted you on that, and thats all Im saying about that. Also hes taught as a detriment to the field of psychology for a reason
Npr31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah woah woah, that kind of sweeping generalisation needs sourcing
Edwardian ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm OK with redistributing income, but only if it's fair. And by fair, I mean that someone who can't do what I can do, and doesn't work as hard as I work, shouldn't get what I get. But people who contribute evenly should be compensated as such.
sticky-buns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:21:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're not in favor of literally pooling all wealth and then just dividing it per capita?
I have great news for you! Literally nobody is advocating that!
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not in favor of paying more in taxes so the government can mis-manage the money....
You ARE advocating more taxes so people who don't work as hard or aren't as capable can get more money for no more contribution, and I have to work harder to maintain the same standard of living. What incentive is there?
sticky-buns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even know where to start with that wall of bullshit.
chevymonza ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:27:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's at least one song that references this idea:
If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal,
If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel.....
Such a happy-go-lucky song, but this lyric always makes me sad.
Novelcheek ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:35:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus. Reminds me of how stalker like that one Sting song is.
DefenderRed ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:14:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be helpful if cheap/ free/ low-cost access to family planning methods were readily available everywhere and at any time. Condoms, birth control, morning after pill, spermicide, early abortion and anything else that prevents/ stops pregnancy.
Just this one thing combined with better public education about safe-sex and pregnancy prevention would benefit the public at large.
Lowlypeon ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:41:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like "lack of money makes people rapists" it's "the kind of people who would rape also tend to be bad at holding a decent job."
Also "people who are bad at holding a decent job are also bad at getting away with being shitty"
mattyoclock ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:00:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know there's some numbers to suggest it actually might be a poverty thing. Most of the sick bastards convicted actually have normal sex drives, and it tends to be a control/power thing more than pedo shit. Im not one for appeasement, but its not inpossible that if they had more control in their general lives, it would lower the rate of child rape.
Beatles-are-best ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:29:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or could it be that rich rapists can afford better lawyers?
wtfOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...or can afford to pay for shit like this.
I'm sure all of the above factors in.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you're broke, ugly, and male you're going to have a hard time getting laid if you're not a rapist.
Up until about 50 years ago we dealt with this problem by making low value males kill each other for their countries, now you can just give them video games and they'll shut themselves in.
hobo_masterrace ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:00:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ตunited forever in friendship and labor...๐ต
MyLittlePonyfucker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what, like a fucking barter system? where the fuck am i gonna store all these live chickens and bushels of wheat
Psudopod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money makes the world go down.
asiyodizzle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that money is the root cause, it's just the metric by which it's measured
Manwithamouth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wealthy people rape young children all the time too. They just have the children delivered to them, instead of searchimg the neighborhood.
sgloux3470 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more likely that shitty people end up making less money than people become shitty people because they don't make enough money.
FartyMcPoopyBalls ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say that it's less about money, and more about family situation in general. A child who grows up with both parents around is a lot more likely to be successful than one who does not, in all aspects of life.
Lolanie ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just both parents around, but a generally stable homelife, regardless of income levels, is going to give kids a better outcome.
That means parents (or parent or guardian) that care about the kids, that aren't addicted to drugs or alcohol, and have a stable, adequate source of income to provide a home in a safe area and enough food on the table for everyone.
It also means having parents that don't have to work ridiculous hours to survive, so that they have time to help the kids with their schoolwork and make sure that they get to school on time, every day.
Healthy parents, mentally and physically, are able to help their children make healthy choices and have the energy (emotional and physical) to make sure that their kids' needs are met. Physical as well as emotional/nurturing needs. Being poor makes it difficult to have what it takes to meet all of your kids' needs all of the time, because of the sheer effort it takes to survive and meet basic needs (food and shelter). Add in addictions, and the kids have a hard time making it through childhood unscathed in those sorts of situations.
Their needs not getting fully met causes them to seek out things outside the core family unit to meet those needs, and so crime, addictions, and gangs are added to the mix.
It sucks. But, you know, welfare is communism and all that. Bootstraps are all they need! /s
fhfygfombffycyg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with much of what you say except that do you know that statistically the poor work LESS than the middle/upper classes??
sticky-buns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Around" has a LOT to do with money.
bababouie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:40:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be causation or correlation... Those that are apt to do such a thing could be the type to not try to further their lot in life.
t_rollawaya ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up and join the circlejerk.
Jbird1992 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get back to me when you figure that out, anonymous redditor. Good luck doing what the smartest economic minds in history have failed to do.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:04:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much that money helps people make better decisions, maybe over generations, as much as better decisions lead to having money.
Invisiblechimp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. When you have more money, you have more options and more margin for error. Also, the stress of poverty impairs cognition.
16ShinyUmbreon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you start to look at money as flimsy pieces of paper and small discs of metal, it hits hard that you only value it because, well...you're told to. And now with money becoming more digital than ever, it's just a number that goes up and down in your bank account. It feels meaningless.
LandOfTheLostPass ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The money itself is meaningless, this is what a fiat currency is. However, what it does do is allow trade to happen much more easily. Consider going back to the barter system for a moment. If I have an extra pig and you have some milk, we might be able to trade my pig for some of your milk. But, what if I don't want any more milk and you really want some bacon? If we''re lucky, we can get Jeb down the lane involved who wants milk and had grain, which I want; but, he has no need for a pig. Now, what happens when neither Jeb nor I want your milk and you still want bacon? Maybe I give you the pig on the promise of some beef in the future when you have a cow die? So, how do I represent this promise? Maybe we'll draw up a contract. Or, if this happens often enough, perhaps we'll just create a small token that I hold onto which represents some of your beef in the future. And what if I decide I need grain but Jeb doesn't want my pig, can I give him the beef token instead? And while we're exchanging tokens, why do they need to be based on beef? What if we created a general purpose token and we can base our trades on various numbers of those tokens? Oh wait, we've just created fiat currency again.
Ultimately, the meaning of money is value. The money itself and the numbers of that money are meaningless. However, that money and the numbers of it represent the ability to obtain real goods with real value. The use of money for that exchange just means that we can both defer the transactions and also engage in trade with an unlimited number of people without the difficulty of finding all the people who want to be involved in a trade. You can get bacon now and I can get milk later; but, we can also get grain as needed and anything else which exists in our system. Expand that system far enough and we can get anything we want, so long as we have enough money to trade for the intrinsic value of the items we are obtaining.
The only caveat to this whole system is that we have to keep the system running. The minute people stop agreeing that the money we are using represents value in our system, it ceases to have any value. And anyone left holding only money suddenly has nothing of value. The fortunate thing is, this is a long, long way from happening. So, while the amount of money you have is just a number which goes up and down, it represents value in a very real way. A $20 bill is just a funny piece of cloth by itself; but, because of the system we have built around those funny pieces of cloth, it represents the ability to obtain items of real value. Even better, it represents items of real value which you didn't necessarily want (or know you might want) at the time you received that funny bit of cloth.
16ShinyUmbreon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your well thought out response. You are right in that the barter system isn't perfect by any means. Maybe it's because I work a register, but giving people food and cigarettes in return for paper, metal, or swipe of a card, starts to feel very weird after a while.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there proof of money being at the base of these problems? I'm sure it doesn't help bing poor and having lack of resources to get out of bad situations, but this shit has been going on for a very long time.
SomeBroadYouDontKnow ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:03:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Not OP) I don't know if this is the causation, but my best guess is that poor people are more likely to move in with someone faster (read: knowing less about them) in order to lower expenses in the immediate future than a financially comfortable person is.
Say you're a single parent making minimum wage and you're behind on rent, about to be evicted. You meet someone who seems cool and you go on a couple dates. You learn your new squeeze also has a job (maybe you know how much, maybe you don't) and you also learn that they're in the same boat when it comes to being behind on rent. So you think "hmm. If we moved in together, I won't lose my apartment!" You don't know a lot about them, but you know that you'd benefit from someone helping out with rent. And hell, they might even lessen your burdens in other ways too! They can help with chores, drive you when your car breaks down again, make sure your kid doesn't watch HBO, that kind of thing.
A financially comfortable person isn't worried about losing their apartment or electricity, so when they meet someone they like, they're not making a cohabitation decision with such urgency. They're getting by and don't desperately need someone to split expenses. A person earning more might be more comfortable splitting expenses (I know I'm certainly more comfortable living with a partner) but they can afford to take time and get to know that person much better and have a bigger window of opportunity to look for red flags. There's no "I'm going to lose x, y, and z if I don't do this right now."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you say money is at the "base", I read that as "root" or alternatively that (a lack of) money causes these kinds of problems. I see virtually no reason to think that low income CAUSES child rape.
It seems to me much more likely that the type of person to rape a child is highly likely to be a generally shitty person, and to be poor because they suck at life in general.
Pos26 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:52:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only seems like poor people are the rapists because they're the only ones convicted. Their are just as many wealthy child rapists as poor, it's just the wealthy people get away with it and their sin is unreported as a crime statistic because it's not a crime unless convicted.
If I wanted to prove my statement I'd have to look into how many wealthy people are accused of rape vs poor people being accused. However, the wealthy also might get accused less often because people take it for granted that accusing someone who is wealthy gets you nowhere.
Edit: just look up the du pont heir child rapist
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would speculate that the shitty, worthless type of person who could rape a child AND be rich must have some sort of overwhelming skill/advantage that led to that situation being possible. Like a super intelligent sociopath vs a dumb one.
NinjaDefenestrator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they were born into a family that was already worth millions of dollars.
DrMobius0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, less money tends to indicate lower levels of education as well as knowledge of and access to legal resources. Poor/absent parenting both creates adults who lack the moral character to not do something like this and creates opportunities for it to happen. Increased prevalence of substance abuse/dependence and mental illness likely doesn't help either. Best part is, it sets up the next generation for the same problems too.
Another way to put it is, you would probably not get away with assaulting a rich girl in the way you could with some poor kid.
I'm fairly sure the best way to fix poverty is to try to ensure that the kids growing up in it have access to needed health resources, emotional support, and education. Increasing their chances to make it through childhood without serious mental illness and with a decent educational foundation is probably the best way to ensure that they can get and stay out of poverty.
iforgot120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conflicts between groups of humans are usually class conflicts, even if wrapped up in other reasons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The question becomes, how could we run the world that wouldn't leave people open to sexual assault being more prevalent for certain groups rather than others that's based heavily on status/wealth?
CoWood0331 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correlation does not imply causation. It could be that the mental health and instability are the source of less income.... no?
guyonaturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be that education and self development that plays a big part instead of money.
The money thing is a result of people recognizing the skills and paying what they are worth.
This makes it easier data to gather.
The other scenario is what you eat and what the daily amount of stress is will impact the chance. To me that seems more unlikely than scenario 1
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of morons who have given your comment an answer, many of whom are undoubtly cultural marxists, is staggering. It's a fairly rare thing to see the full idiocy of a good chunk of Reddit's young and impressionable userbase being put into action the way we see it being done in this thread.
25russianbear25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:08 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money isnt everything but its only 99.99% of things
neotropic9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not ultimately about money, it's about power, money being one of the most ubiquitous and visible forms of power. It's also easier to measure, so we can get more stats on money. Point is, people without power are more likely to get shit on.
pervyfun77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, money may not be at the root of the problem. Poverty may be a secondary result of a similar problem.
It's not like giving impoverished families money will just make them less likely to commit sexual assault.
Novelcheek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have another way. It's called socialism. Capitalism fulfilled its role: overthrowing feudalism. Time to let it go, because it's now just a lumbering ghoul, feeding on everything good.
Sparred4Life ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate money as much add the next guy, but in this situation I think money isn't the issue, it's just sign. People who are intelligent and successful are, I would assume, less likely to do something like this. Whereas poor dumbasses that would, can't hold a fucking job long enough to make 15k a year. But then you hear how widespread it is in Hollywood and I feel like money just helps you get away with it.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TyroneTeabaggington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Brock Turner?
Chili_Palmer ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 15:44:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buddy, money is just a means of facilitating the trade of goods and services. Stupid, vulnerable people don't have money both because they are incapable of offering a worthwhile service to earn it, and because when they do earn it smarter people exploit it out of their pockets.
Money aside, there will always be vulnerable people and those who seek to exploit them.
Money isn't the base of all problems, people are.
sockgorilla ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:45:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm close to agreeing with your sentiment, but just because you're poor doesn't mean you're stupid. There are plenty of average and smart poor people.
TyroneTeabaggington ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:02:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of rich people who are stupid as well. Look at all these dumbass pro athletes going bankrupt within a few years of retirement.
Razmatti ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:10:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the president.
TyroneTeabaggington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can spot the similar types in this thread who have had everything handed to them by their loaded parents.
tribe171 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't that prove the point? Dumb people don't stay rich for long
Chili_Palmer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mean to imply that, just that there's a strong correlation between poverty and stupidity. Not every stupid person is poor, and not every poor person is stupid.
But in the same way that people with poor intelligence tend to make up a vast majority of the financially poor, they also tend to make up a vast majority of those being sexually or financially exploited, a majority of those exposed to or victims of violence, and a majority of those imprisoned by the police.
sockgorilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a matter of the poor being ill-educated.
sticky-buns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:49:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've found ways. They don't survive contact with the individuals and systems already in power.
redjonley ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal income.
Namrevlis1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correlation isn't causation. It could be that people who underreport income while collecting welfare are more likely to commit all crimes in general. It could be that people who have reduced intellect and logical reasoning skills are more likely to have lower income but also more likely to invite a strange man into their home to live with them and their daughter. It could be the predator seeing that the mother works a lot at a low wage job and is seeing an opportunity for a lot of alone time with a young girl. It could be that drug users are more likely to be impoverished and also too strung out to defend their daughters.
It's inexcusable that any children are ever assaulted, but if we are truly going to help children we need to find out what happened case by case and act on the results.
Much like the NTSB investigates a crash - something went wrong, we don't know what, but saying "trains are x% more likely to crash than airplanes" doesn't help. You have to figure out why the train crashed, what could have prevented it, where the built in fail-safes failed, and how to make sure that never happens again.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism will not work, before you think of that
Tugalord ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We tried. The US made sure it didn't work, and managed to convince everyone that it was the spawn of Satan. It's a pity.
GershwynnJay ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an idea of how to get there. Seriously. Check out [these steps](www.gershwynnjay.com/write-right) I wrote.
Click the white Novi box.
Crantastical ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:32:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately a lot of it is that sexual abuse becomes normalized in families because it is so common and a cycle.
The_Flurr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, thr amount of parents in these stories who do nothing because they went through the same thing and were told to shut up about it is horrendous
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't foster care, but my mom used to have to rent out a room of our house so we could afford it. One night I woke up to the male roommate staring at me in bed from the hallway (i was little so i used to sleep with the door cracked and the hall light on). He saw me see him looking at me, so he went to his room. Nothing happened. Some time later I was called into the counselor's office at school and asked a bunch of questions that, to me, were coming from nowhere. Turns out that guy was molesting not only his own daughter (who lived with us), but her friends too.
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[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:28:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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likechoklit4choklit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been working on it for a while. I don't have escape velocity from poverty. But now I have a kid!
TerrorAlpaca ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:51:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only yesterday i've read the story of Genie), the "feral child" that was pretty much abused by her father by restraining her and depriving her of any human contact (physical or even vocally) except for feeding her ocasionally, barking at her and hitting her, from when she was born. at 13, she had the mental age of a toddler, but thrived as soon as she was put into a family setup with scientists and researchers who worked with her. as soon as she was put into fostercare, her developement regressed again
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likechoklit4choklit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. I had a similar experience in high school. I remember sitting the bus and the girl who just broke up with me pointed at her sexual assault as a reason to not be dating. It hit me hard. Not because she broke up with me. She was the eighth person whom I had considered a girlfriend, and the 7 before that had all disclosed sexual assaults. In my head, having the ratio of girls I had dated who has been molested/raped go from 7/8 to 8/8 was too much to bear.
At one point you can be like 12.5% of your sample of prospective partners aren't going to be a victim to all of them will be ... there was no chance to avoid it. Like you don't even have a one-in-eight chance of finding a girl who hasn't been pre-traumatized up by someone else. Nary a percentage point for Hope to hide behind. No one prepares young boys for that. I doubt they would have expected to have to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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likechoklit4choklit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my goodness, yes. The seething rage becomes part of you for a bit. You nailed it on the head. That is exactly the way it went down for me too.
CardboardSoyuz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:45:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. It's simply terrible. My marriage is in good shape, but I'd suffer almost anything to keep it afloat for appearances sake rather than let a non-biologically related male live in the same house as my kids while they're kids. People are seriously fucked up.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a foster group home for jevenile delinquent teen girls. I wouldn't be on the same floor of the house alone with any of them. If I was cooking breakfast, one of the girls would have to wait until there was another girl to accompany her downstairs. We explained that this arrangement keeps everyone safe. The girls couldn't make false allegations unless, for some reason, I broke protocol. And the girls had a guarantee that I wasn't going to try and fuck them.
One time, one of the more troublesome addicted girls made overtures of falsely alleging sexual impropriety against me to another one of the girls (Let's call her Jamie) who was also mad at me about her poor school behavior report. Despite being pissed, Jamie told this girl that if she did that that she would personally smash her face. Then Jamie told all of the other fosterkids what the addicted girl said, and then we had to intervene because of a weeklong silence treatment...
You haven't been in a strange place until you have been in a group therapy circle with 6 teenage kids, 5 of which are blacksheeping another in an attempt to protect you, and you have to intervene on behalf of the person who was casually considering complicating your entire fucking future life with a false rape allegation, because if that addict didn't have social connections, she wasn't going to get better ever. A fucking diplomatic chinese fingertrap.
sugarfairy7 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:49:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are a good person and did an extremely important job. Thank you! I hope your hear this more often.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:23:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I did. It always made me feel conflicted. The kids, when appropriate for a house setting, were the best part of the job. It was even better when we could leave out some of the leave it to beaver part of our artificial reality that we were making and actually be ourselves. We walked into the job as ideaological hippies planning on being the coolest mofos around. It took a week for us to turn into the strictest squares those kids ever met. They didn't need friends, they needed to learn how to negotiate with authority, so we gave them that. We became the house that all of the other kids were scared of being placed in, but once placed in it, they felt pity for the kids in the other houses. They thought that they got lucky to be placed with us instead of foster couples that tried to literally exorcise their demons (as baptists...weird) and force them into churches and left them to feed themselves prepackaged garbage.
Since we left the position 5 years ago, 3 of the 30 some kids that came through our house have died of addiction overdoses. One was obviously not ready to go, but what can you do?
But I was saying, the job is important, sure. What would really help, and this is no bullshit, is more money to go towards teen mental health/job training.
The thanks ring sour anyway, because we already know that a number of the other people in the same position as us got the same sort of thanks and praise, and they definitely didn't earn it. We had a Caseworker from the big city come down, sleep in their car in our driveway for an hour, and drive away, counting that as their 1 hour of consultation for the month. We had another child advocate who encouraged a kid in our house to keep secret the fact that she smoked K2 till she passed out on her weekend pass, so that when her mom dropped her off with instructions to take her to the emergency room for "dehydration" we were left inadequate information to actually help her. (Her mom didn't want to waste quality home time with an ER visit, which is cool, but why did she let her daughter waste quality home time overdoing K2?)
Id rather that kids get therapy/job training. And with good, competent, race & class-conscious therapists to do it...
dennis20014 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you for the work you did.
CardboardSoyuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's good, tough work. You are a better person than most.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, according to you males are seriously fucked up.
CardboardSoyuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I agree. And any father with any sense will keep that in mind when it comes to non-biologically related males living with their children.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is part of why I was glad that my sister lost custody of her daughter. She's always with sketchy dudes and has no skills of her own so she latches on to these men for support. Her last husband was tickling my niece who was 8 years old. My niece told him to stop but he kept it up. Luckily my other sister was there and she put an end to it. He even tried to kick her out. I haven't seen him again since because he divorced my sister shortly after my mom kicked them both out of her house. He was mooching off my sister who was in turn mooching off my mom. If she had gotten custody I would have sued for custody.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to hear it. So your niece is with her father now?
Seeing as how you brought it up, consider sending that girl some cookies in the mail. Nothing keeps family, especially extended family together like random ass treats. Then, if she gets into a tough spot, she still has that aunt who sends cookies here and there to reach out to.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:42:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not much better. She came to visit my sister and her hair was so infested with lice that it was clumping up. My wife cried and wanted to adopt her then. My niece's situation has improved.
mrrp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:40:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't help but think that single parents (for whatever reason) are stupid to introduce another adult into the house. It's just asking for trouble. Yes, I understand you want a boyfriend or a relationship or help with the bills or whatever, but your primary responsibility is to your children. Get them through high school and then you can put yourself first again.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there might be a lot to be learned by watching a parent struggle with relationships while having a kid. I mean that's kind of the model going forward isn't it? So maybe having your kids see you boot a motherfuker to the curb is really good training for their own adult life wherein I guarantee you they will have to boot a motherfuker to the curb
k-w- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad had to kick his girlfriend out for harassing and insulting my brother and I (plus letting our cats outside when repeatedly told not to, cats fucking died). They're still together anyway a year later and fight all the time.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:31:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been trying to articulate this for years, thank you. The first time it happened to me I was four. Once it happens it's like a glowing neon sign over your head that only other predators can see. We lived with different people constantly, always living in chaotic, miserable poverty. The things people will do to a kid when they know nobody cares are vile.
RscMrF ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is that supposed to mean?
Yodlingyoda ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:01:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it means the privilege of family support far outweighs other types of social privilege?
AoLIronmaiden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hm... I learned a new word existed today: predacious.
I would've used "predatory". I googled predacious just in case, and it popped up in Google's dictionary function. Hm
Puskathesecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned about quaquaversal
AoLIronmaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference between a quaquaversal and a dome.... lol
laikalost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I really take my privilege for granted, it seems.
dizzy_lizzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's true then we have to redefine "normal" to include rape, if your household earns very little. That's our fucked up world. :(
likechoklit4choklit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, 50% of households are below 50k a year, and 70% of people do. Perhaps we just would prefer it all goes away, and force our perception of normal to be a hopeful place where real justice exists and it's bad people who aren't our family, friends, or our friends families. Probably why people buy stock in blacklives matter being terrorists: their presence highlights how fucked "normal" has been ...and it's easier to attack the messenger than it is to face all that unpleasantness. Livin the lie, man. It's where the fucking peace is at.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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likechoklit4choklit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I know a sexuality researcher specializing in military trauma, Ill ask her about some of the stats & psychodynamics next time we hang out.
theGurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Was military brat until ~5 years old, except my parents kept up the habit of moving every 2 years, so I never had a long-term home until I was 14, and have a hard time making friends.
lavaslippers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This ignores female rapists, who are about as prevalent as male rapists, but who are seldom seen for what they are by society, since that would shatter the illusion that women are always "mothering" and "caring". Bottom line is, gender has no bearing on a person's ethics or agenda. It only shifts what tactics a person might use, and how severe punishment might be if they are caught.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:53:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statistically, cohabitating with non biologically related females do not pose an increased risk of sexual traumatization before the age of 18. Based on arrest data.
Are there female rapists? Yes. I'm willing to bet that they tend to Cluster in child care positions even. But disregarding one set of stats that may very well affect your life because there's another uncalculated set of risks seems foolhardy, no?
lavaslippers ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:57:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Based on arrest data".
This underscores the point I just wrote, that society doesn't acknowledge that females rape. Instead, society wants to think of females as incapable of such acts.
This also applies to non-sexual abuse. Women who abuse their male partners in relationships are seldom seen as the predators they are. Instead the men are told to "man-up". (Yet if they defend themselves they are somehow considered weak - a rock and a hard place).
Look at cases in the US where female teachers who rape their male students are often described as having had an affair, and sometimes the boy (as young as twelve in articles I've read thus far) is labelled the instigator and described as a partner, rather than a rape victim.
My overall point is that people tend not to look objectively at cases of abuse because they have rose-coloured glasses when they look at females.
lifesbrink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, how do people ignore these things just because there are no arrests?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:21:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women rape less, It's a fact. Does that mean that they never rape? No, of course they do, but they are wayyy less likely to. So, probability wise, a guy is more likely to rape you than a woman is. That's what they're saying.
lifesbrink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probability doesn't really matter to me, sweeping one sex under the table does
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:41:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you want then? It's not like people are denying female on male rape happens, just that's it's less likely to.
lifesbrink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:44:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen plenty of denial of that in the past, so don't act like it doesn't exist
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay? No one's denying it here though. There's no need to project a strawman into the conversation.
lifesbrink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really a strawman if it's also a concern. Many people here are saying only men need to be watched out for. Don't you have weeb nonsense to go post about?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, no. Why are you struggling with my point? Anyways this weeb will be satisfied with my reading comprehension and ditch this conversation.
boldandbratsche ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:36:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By that logic it also ignores biological fathers, uncles, brothers, and cousins who are rapists as well. It's just pointing out one fact shown by empirical data.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:56:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all white privilege says is that a white orphan will be better off than a black one, not that a white orphan can't suffer as well
likechoklit4choklit ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:59:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit. But when you have these privilege discussions, material assets tend to get ignored, and if they aren't ignored, familial assets tend to be ignored, and if they aren't ignored, you've ascended to the ethically sourced golden throne of intersectionality.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:02:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
absolutely, economic privilege trumps all other kinds
IgnisDomini ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:02:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially because few people adopt black children compared to white children.
wearer_of_boxers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that is depressing as hell.. i do not know what to say. those poor kids.
yellitout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd never heard those (very upsetting) stats before. Do you have a source? I'd like to share this with others.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:47:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may have changed since the new Bureau of justice crime reports came out, and they may not be accessible due to trump's clamp down on public data. I'll see if I can find the grant I wrote that used them.
It's in the OP
maybejolisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention in a lot of related aspects of this problem--child porn rings, sex slavery, etc.--money is a massive fucking motivator.
Could never figure out why my ex-girlfriend's parents didn't seem to notice the blatantly upsetting shit she did to me when they were around, but it made a hell of a lot more sense when I realized she was making bank for her family off of me.
windirein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this day and age there are maybe 3 families in the us with income above 50k, which means everyone is fucked. Literally.
ass2ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they say money doesn't buy happiness.
ChubbyBlackWoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I've always wondered whether my little nephew might have been better off in foster care than with me. I'll never have that doubt again. Geesh.
TacoCommand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, that's a needed data perspective.
DynamicDK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:08 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son is 9 years old, and I don't ever plan on having more kids. I love my son, but I'm not a fan of taking care of babies / toddlers at all.
If I can get to a stable point in my life within the next few years, I am going to seriously consider adopting / fostering a kid (or kids) in the 5 - 10 year old range. That seems like it is the most vulnerable range, and if I could give them a good, safe home, then that is one less kid that has to worry about this shit.
I will never understand people who sexually abuse children. It just seems so innately wrong. I've often heard that people who do horrible things generally don't consider themselves, or their actions, to be evil...but how the fuck could a child rapist justify it in their mind? How could they not know that they are evil scum?
King_Rhymer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I wasn't raped. Because my mom did ok financially.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:40:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That can't be proven.
What can be proven is that the likelihood of abuse and resilience against that abuse is modulated by socio-economic factors. What can be proven is a direct correlation between substance abuse and childhood trauma. It's weird how substance abuse stats across the socioeconomic classes seem to proportionately mirror trauma rates. It's almost like people try to self medicate from feelings of pain, even emotional pain.
King_Rhymer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:43:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People do do that. That's been common knowledge for a long time. Booze has existed for a long time.
NewsModsLoveEchos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
losers that can't hold a job are the same losers who can't stop themselves from abusing substances and kids, shocker.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, let's not lose focus. Mental health and these guys' own trauma histories are part of this problem. Even Ted kazynskie was once a kid on a tricycle.
Someone fucked that kid up.
This is why I support medicare for all. Imagine if we could substantively address childhood abuse by making treatment readily available, at no direct cost to wages. It will definitely help addiction rates and longterm chronic pain rates. And maybe...just maybe, if you got raped as a child, you can escape the cycle. Imagine a whole lot of guys in a generation being given the tools to escape the cycle of abuse at an early age. Butterymales.
Tugalord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/LateStageCapitalism
PraiseTheSuun ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird, I had an absolute shit hand dealt to me and grew up through some serious horrors, and I'm still told I have ""privileges"".
likechoklit4choklit ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:45:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear that. It's a tone deaf dismissal of a person's life story to use the perception of their (non-economic) privilege as average against them. I think what people are saying is that there is a person who was dealt as shitty a hand as you, AND they have to deal with racism, disability, periodblood, and people who haven't gotten over periodblood yet.
I exempt out economic privilege not because you can't be fucked over by life if you were once a rich person, but because if you're currently rich, you have all the power over your trajectory in ways that the poor do not.
PraiseTheSuun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya you think that? https://imgur.com/a/osnI1, of course you do. Make sure to glance at that username.
NewsModsLoveEchos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay! Privilege points!
likechoklit4choklit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you collect enough, you can trade them in for admission to the adversity olympics, where every event is a fucking tragedy!
Willy_Bramble ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how people act like human are not animals, yet you get an adult male in a rool with your daughter and rape ensues...
Maybe Kim Jong Un is just trying to accomplish the will of God ? Let's erase the planet and start over.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:33:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not all males, it's just statistically most likely to occur. I know that I've decided not to rape any kids. I know tons of guys who have no problem with not raping kids.
While I agree with humans being animals, we are also animals that have affected the environment in which we raise the human animal. Humans are autonomous self teaching algorithms whose hardware is to prioritize maslow's heirarchy of needs while balancing immediate gain versus delayed reward. And if you seed the environment in specific ways, you can make those humans generally develop similarly. And if that algorithm is sexually traumatized early enough, certain sequelae can be predicted. (IBS, TMJ, pelvic floor disfunction, etc) The terrible one two punch that our culture has made into our environment is homophobia, little conversation about bodies and sex, and boys don't cry. If a boy is traumatized in that environment, they wind up programming themselves to repeat the cycle on others. They can't talk about emotions, they aren't talking about sexuality healthily with others, and the door to fucking children has been forced open for them.
So, I know a few guys that it wouldn't surprise me if they raped a stepkid. And it's not like there is an intervention for that guy that I can stage. I can try to speak idealistically around them. I can hope that they go to therapy, or I can even suggest it in the right venue. But I can't just pretend they aren't there.
Willy_Bramble ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know exactly how rare it is, but the simple fact that this is enabled by society is ducked up. No one is intrinsically bad, but there are social pattern that will turn a fine person into a 100% piece of shit. This I can't stomach.
Honestly, I am trying to make a difference every day, and I do. I am also trying to go wide with the difference, even though it might take me 30 years to reach a result. But what really annoys me is how easily people fall. Society, religions, education, all of this is supposed to help people develop sanely, and in most case it ends up the opposite way. Which let me think that mankind is a failure on a global scale. We are not able to endorse the behavior of our species. On the list of things the average human wants to kill, another human gets the first place. Isn't that saddening enough to become a bit nihilistic ?
outsidethehous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be that the behavior that causes them to be poor is the same that increases likelihood of shady actions.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the stats are being collected about victims not offenders. We don't know the socio-economic status of the offenders from the source. I'm sure that there are criminology stats that can help here
likechoklit4choklit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can only hope that they somehow normalize the sample between sex offenders who are and are not caught...
Aragorns-Wifey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:08:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I question whether the poverty is the cause. I think more likely very bad behaviors tend to make you poor. Anti social behaviors make you poor. I don't think supplementing 25,000 per year would stop Uncle Horrid from molesting anyone.
CtrlAltTrump ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poverty or perception of poverty? Relative poverty, 30k is no where near bad compared to world. It's a mental thing, the poor always take more risk because they have nothing to lose.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:07:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those stats are from US bureau of justice/ US census reports. 30k isn't a bad wage for a singleton. But you also don't have your full suite of moving options or choice of affiliations at 30k. You can't wake up tomorrow and move your family of four away from a bad neighborhood, or afford your overpriced city unit without a roommate, or make wineswirling friends.
Again, I assume that the rate of sexual abuserdom is even across all economic classes because the ability to hide from consequences increases manyfold as you rise in wealth and political sway. The rate of sexual victimization skews poorer.
Anarchistnation ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry no. Stranger danger is a myth and you have no real sources to back it up with. The majority of sexual assault on children occurs within the family and females make up a good chunk of it, giving men a run for their money. Don't believe me? Google about 10 year old Victoria Martens from New Mexico, see how your biased narrative holds up against that case. This statistic precedes your stranger danger propaganda by the dawn of humanity. Any sources dating back that far for foster care?
likechoklit4choklit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:28:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll check my source. This isn't stranger danger because these are cohabitating males. I'm talking about people the victim knows which is what most perpetrators are. Stepdads and roommates and boyfriends.
Give me a few hours and I can pull the source from that grant I wrote.
I'm guessing that you or someone you care about were abused by a female? I ask cuz you are weirdly passionate about distorted aspects of my assertions. Things that indicate to me a need to protect team male. If so, consider getting therapy as needed if you can afford it. If not, I don't know why it seemed to ruffle your feathers so much to hear someone indicate that men are disproportionately charged with crime, probably because they commit it more, or more flagrantly. That's just reality.
GrinWhenYouSayThat ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bull. Money has no causative effect on morality and ethics.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:44:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not bull. It's not the lack of money that affects the rape stats, it's proximity, and sometimes obligate proximity, to people likely to offend/never receive adequate mental health care to stave off sexual acting out. If you looked at those stats in context and assumed that my point was poor people are more likely to sexually abuse others, you failed to read correctly. No attribution of morality or ethics was put forth. A lack of money has a causative effect on your motherfuckin options in life.
When I was a kid, I got multiple talks about what to do if uncle sal ever approached me. I was lucky in that my parents were realists about sexuality and proactive and could afford to entirely cut off a wing of the family. Lots of poor folks don't have those assets, or even the time to employ them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you could link the stats it might clear things up.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bureau of Justice Statistics. (2014). Household Poverty And Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008โ2012
I got a number wrong. I'll edit it.
From a grant:
"Incarcerated people have a median pre-incarceration annual income that is 41% less than non-incarcerated people of similar ages.The likelihood of being a victim of sexual assault is doubled if the household income is below the national median income, and amongst people whose households make less than $15,000 per annum, that rate doubles again."
insertclevernameheer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor people just get caught more...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Flurr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if they're intelligent, they're more likely to have few job opportunities and be surrounded by crime already
laffydaffy24 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:46:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it's because poor people are more vulnerable. Easier targets :(
SuggestiveDetective ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly it. Even if the perps are well-off and manage their lives successfully, they know full well that when it comes to destitute kids, "no one really cares." (They do, but.) There's a reason it's a huge deal when something like this happens to wealthy kids, and the same reason sex workers in flyover areas get killed. People who have nothing backing them have no standing in society. It's rare to find a truly good person with the means and authority to help disadvantaged victims.
scottevil110 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being a statistician, I take issue with wording like this. Whether you get raped or not is not a "statistical chance." It's a conscious decision on someone's part, and being poor does not make you "more likely" to get raped, as though if one of your parents gets laid off, you suddenly become more vulnerable to sexual assault AT HOME. There is a correlation between these variables, surely, but that does not imply an increased "likelihood" that depends on income.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money is abstract power in this culture. I'm sure you can refine some bins and maybe find out common themes but the reality may very well be that if you make less you must necessarily deal with more pedophilic influences on your life. Your chances of experiencing a sexual assault before the age of 18 is quadruple if your family income is $15,000 or less. And if you're looking for correlation how about lack of power. It's not that hard to identify the poor people.
scottevil110 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point isn't that there isn't a correlation, or that there is no reason for this. My point is that you're calling something a "chance" that isn't a "chance." Correlation does not imply causation, and it doesn't have implication on the individual level unless you can show why.
If your statement was correct as stated, it would mean that if your family's income drops, that you suddenly become more likely to be assaulted, and likewise that you could greatly improve your chances of avoiding it if your family comes into some money. That may very well be true, but you need to demonstrate why before you make claims that X can cause Y.
likechoklit4choklit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone needs to. We observe an increase in risk of you fit in a certain bin. The observations are there and there is a way to avoid the implications of those observations. Granted, it's not a total absolvement from risk, I mean if you are shacking up with a pedophile your chances are that if you come into money you're still living with a pedophile.
I don't understand why you are choosing to fight for this particular hill. It could very well be a zeitgeist function of things that aren't statistically significant difference between poor people and rich people but when combined in the commonplace combinations that they occur in relative to the culture of Rich vs poor, that isolating any single variable would be impossible to prove with science. In this case money equals options, you can hire a lawyer you can trust the police to defend your POV. Until we can monetize these externalities, we need to see how to apply the information we've been given. By increasing people's options you literally increase their capacity to escape a situation that includes sexual assault. This leads me to believe that you cannot necessarily pin it to anything other than socioeconomic status, because then you're studying two behaviorally different samplez.
One's only recourse then is to extrapolate what the observations would indicate. So why not skip that middleman cuz no one's funding the differences between rich and poor, and just assume that being poor means you get a shity chance on not getting raped compared to not being poor?
AfterTowns ยท 573 points ยท Posted at 15:22:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard the same thing. It's like the predator justifies it to themselves and the victim by saying, "Well, it's a teenage girl, so they're going to have sex eventually, why not with me? It's not going to do any harm. Since teenagers are so sexed up anyways."
Completely ignoring the fact that they're 10+ years older, in a position of power, and has either coerced or just straight up forced themselves on the young victim.
JakeDFoley ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 15:47:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The delusional 'justification' of the daughter being INTO THEM is also disgustingly common.
It's dark joke when people joke about child rapists saying "the 5 year old /12 year old came onto ME." But that's actually what many of them twistedly believe.
Its like, no you sick fuck, no one is "jealous" of the 12 year old "liking" you because it's transparent that YOU are the sick fuck in this equation.
IGotNoStringsOnMe ยท 439 points ยท Posted at 17:33:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel safe not using a throwaway for this because i don't share my reddit handle, and if when one gets found out I go scorched fuckin earth on it:
My niece was raped repeatedly from the ages of 5 to 8 by a male family memeber that lived in the house.
He tried to justify it by saying they were "in love". "She told me she loves me! We're in love!" He said those exact words. He was in his 30s at the time.
Of course your 5 year old cousin just told you she loved you. You said you loved her and it is a conditioned response to reciprocate the statement at that age to someone you're related to/that takes care of you.
...and now my fucking blood is boiling talking about it.
Only thing that makes me feel better is thinking about the beating brother gave him. It was so bad his own mother didn't recognize him after and he nearly died twice on the way to the hospital.
Okay thats enough reddit today.. Going to hug my son and take him to the park. -_-
hotdamnster ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry. I hope she can go on and have a good life, and find ways to deal with what happened, and to never ever think she is to blame. Take care.
borrabnu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:35:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did your brother get arrested? Did he use weapons?
How long was the male family member sentenced to prison for? Was this behavior a complete shock to you, or was he always a little weird or scary?
TerrorAlpaca ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:56:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i remember seeing a warning add for child abuse when i was a kid. there was a baby in diapers on the picture with the words "You're honour, she seduced me." next to her....nearly made me puke.
Elle_em ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:34:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy you say this. My dad's best friend molested my sisters & me ( started when I was about 6 years old) & about three or four years ago my sisters and I decided to speak up about it because he was coming back to the US from Mexico & was supposed to be staying with us. My sister has two kids (they were about 4 and 5 at the time) and there was no way in hell I was letting that fucker in our home with those kids in there. I'd kill him if he touched them. Anyways, my aunt (mom's sister) was fucking the dude for a while and the bitch had the nerve to say that my sisters and I came on to him & HE said to my aunt that I would get on the computer and send him messages. I'm fucking SIX years old for fucks sake. Needless to say he didn't come back to the US & my aunt is well, not a part of our lives.
PM_me_nicetits ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:12:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12 year olds initiating, as they're learning about sex and getting hormones (my female friend decided to have sex when she was 11 with her neighbor who was 10); however, its the responsibility of the older ones to say no. But kids? They don't even have a concept of sex.
cheestaysfly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot wrap my head around children as young as 10 having sex. I was barely interested in boys when I was 10. I just wanted to play with Barbies and watch cartoons.
PM_me_nicetits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you on that.
marsglow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:47:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a client once who said his eight yr old daughter always flirted with him and "wanted it."
cheestaysfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you respond to that?
marsglow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just ignored it, other than saying,"that's not a defense." He did keep telling me that, but he ended up pleading guilty to about26 counts of child rape. He'll never get out of prison which is probably a good thing.
cheestaysfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:16:46 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is DEFINITELY a good thing. Yuck!
Stuebirken ยท 341 points ยท Posted at 16:10:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some years ago there was a Scandinavian survey, where thy asked questions like "can a girl thats 8/9/10/.../15 in some cases be blamed, if they are raped?"
And
"Should a female nurse take it as a part of the job, if a male patient or relative to a patient touches their behind or breasts/ask them quistions of a sexual natur?" Questions that in general aimed at how much girls/women was to blame, when a male was sexually inappropriate/violent against them, according to the male population.
The answers was horrifying (it was before the "Malmรถ is the rape capital of the world"-debacle). The amount of men that was sure, that sexual harassment and rape (including rape of children), was the females own fault was staggering. I can't count how many times I read stuff like "girls are a lot more grown up nowadays, if they wanna dress like a slut, they must face the consequence" and "if you become a nurse, you'll just have to deal with stuff like that. They should take it as a compliment".
(I'm not saying that all men are r/incel material just waiting for rape to be legal. I'm fairly certain that an absolute majority of men, would never rape anybody, but as long as there's more than 0 males with that attitude, there's a problem).
Painting_Agency ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 17:30:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sad truth is that even if 1% of humans are willing to commit sexual assault, the data shows they can victimize a hugely disproportionate number of people until they're caught (and, sometimes after). Rapists are almost always repeat offenders.
basementdiplomat ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:45:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus it only takes one person to rape someone, and that person will forever have that awful memory and lifetime membership to a very depressing club :-/
Mister_Bloodvessel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:40:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I can attest to this. Just got done taking my story to a female friend literally today. Anyone can be a victim.
TediousCompanion ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:11:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same goes with sexual harrassment, of course. Some guy on reddit just yesterday or the day before tried to tell me that women must not actually experience sexual harrassment as much as they say they do because most men (according to him) don't do it.
Painting_Agency ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:20:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In his defense (no, not really) he thinks "sexual harassment" only means your boss rubbing your shoulders while suggesting that screwing him would be good for your career. When he tells a joke about a "blonde slut" in the office, he's just joking, so lighten up! I mean, why don't you have a sense of humour?
TediousCompanion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:23:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think catcalling was the example we used.
nedonedonedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or it's someone like me who, because I don't get out much, have only seen one case of sexual harassment in my life. some people are dumb enough to type something on a computer that one person couldn't build on their own if they spent their whole life trying, but they think their own experiences are enough to make that kind of judgement
HardlyEverRelevant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:17:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on a 1987 study by Abel et. al, the average rapist gets away with 7 rapes before they're reported, and the average child molester gets away 167 molestations.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One person can rape a lot of people, particularly if they live in a society/area that shames rape victims over rapists for some fucking reason and keeps them safe to keep going forward for years.
Mewni17thBestFighter ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:38:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a huge number of men are rapists because they don't think it's rape. Ask a man if he's a rapist and he'll say no that's awful. Ask if he's had sex with someone who couldn't say no, or someone who didn't clearly say yes and suddenly he says yes he has. I do think too many men genuinely don't understand.
Solensia ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:38:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one, not even a slut, ever deserves to be raped.
KeeperofAmmut7 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:33:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BULLSHITE!! Not a compliment at all if someone gropes you, it's assault. Just because a girl LOOKS grown up doesn't mean that she has the mental awareness of what sexual activity actually means. I lost my virginity at 20: I wasn't mentally ready until then.
deja-roo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funny (using the term loosely) part about that is that probably the same crowd will in a different conversation complain about how people today refuse to "grow up".
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:12:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Stuebirken ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:25:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if a child stood in front of you, yelling "fuck me hard in the ass, with big dick", it's your responsibility not to act on it. If that makes anyone think "well okay, in that case it must be all right to put my dick i that ass, eeeven just a little", it's not the child that's to blame... Because it's a freaking child!!! They don't know what the fuck they are talking about or signaling.
nedonedonedo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely agree. but what should happen isn't always what does, and usually ends up being a total crap shoot about whether or not it actually makes a change towards making things better. how often do you have to yeild the right of way when driving because some moron does something that will get people killed if you don't? I see it every day, and two days ago it was me literally driving off the road to dodge someone cutting across three lanes of traffic towards an off ramp while braking to make sure they made it in time. you don't have to worry about the people who are smart enough to live safely in society, you have to to worry about the people who are to dumb to do the right thing or the people that want to hurt others.
trying to change behavior while thinking about these people as anything less than morons is going to point you in the wrong direction. if "should" was enough, they'd already be doing the right thing
Wholesome_Meme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm against rape in the real world. In a fantasy, it would be an experience I'd want to try. (I'd also want to try some alien tentacle bullshit too since we are pretending here) I'd do a lot of stuff in fantasy that I'd never ever want to do in real life.
But to do it in real life and justify it boils my blood. That's my sister or my girlfriend or wife or mother or cousin or niece. And if it's not mine, it's my friend's, or your friends. It's a person. It's absolutely unacceptable to even think that anyone was "asking for it."
How_Do_I_Reddit_xD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will always be a problem, sadly.
PM_ME_YOUR_LEFT_IRIS ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that if nurses are expected to work with mentally impaired patients and people tripping in painkillers, then that's going to wind up being part of the job regardless of morality, no?
Stuebirken ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:27:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is, but there's different kinds of it. I am a nurse, and in dealing with, lets say a male with dementia, I know that if he grabs me or say something inappropriate, it's because the part of the brain, that would normally prevent that kind of behavior is damaged.
But a male patient with a broken leg, that grabs my ass, and proceeds to ask me, if I "need a spanking", should know better.
AlmostCleverr ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:27:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like part of the problem is with the nature of these types of questions. Should you ever blame a young girl for being raped? Of course not, but I can think of hypothetical situations that would make me answer yes to that question if I were surveyed. Like if she pointed a gun at the guy and told him to have sex with her, she could be blamed for her own statutory rape. That's an extreme hypothetical but it is a case where she could justifiably be blamed. Even if you limit it to realistic (albeit still extreme and irrelevant) hypotheticals, like a girl threatening to accuse someone of rape unless he has sex with her, you have no choice but to say that there are certain cases where she could be blamed.
Those cases clearly are almost nonexistent if they even exist at all and are not a justification for blaming them in general, but a survey is flawed if it doesn't account for hypotheticals like that.
Stuebirken ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In no of your examples would it be rape. Rape doesn't has to incl. physical violence or physical force. Rape will always involve that the victims has their righ to their own body and mind overruled. Rape brakes something essential inside you, it's an act that's designed in it's core to show the victims, that their less human, in the rapists world.
AlmostCleverr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're both rape. Statutory rape is legally rape. It doesn't matter if a kid forced you to do it at gun point, it's still technically rape to have sex with a minor. You could be acquitted in that scenario but it's still technically rape. Again, the survey is at fault here if they should have excluded statutory rape but did not.
EdgeBandanna ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:36:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a justification to validate their own selfish, sick desires. No logic necessary. It's also possible this man or someone close to him was abused in the same way.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At that point you are just embracing your own psychopathic tendencies. No one in the right mind would ever think a 12 year old girl wants to sleep with their parent's BF, or vice versa.
As u/EdgeBandanna said
It sinks you deeper into the pit of guiltiness to the eyes of the court/society.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there is a 12 year old trying to seduce older men, it is nearly 100% certain they are only behaving that way because of past abuse. So that's not a good excuse either. "Hey, someone else abused her first, she was already broken before I abused her!" Burn in hell, sicko! (obv not you OP, just venting about the article)
Orisyl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is the part where you were supposed to patch her back up and fill the gaping hole in her life... NO NOT THAT WAY!!!... god damnit.
MdotR ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending the guy in this case as it was apparent sexual assault which is repugnant.
But I know that myself along with quite a few of my friends and acquaintances would lie about our ages and sleep with older people... So that rationale is a bit flawed. It isn't always a person in power forcing themselves on an unsuspecting minor. Sometimes minors have issues (emotional and hormonal giving that they're still going through puberty) and needs and are pretty manipulative and liars.
TheLurkingMenace ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a HUGE difference there.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:04:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that we have a tendency to pathologize people who have sex with teenagers of that age? I have no idea where I read it, but I read a critique (of society) by a psychologist (as I recall) about how a lot of times it's just sex..as in there is some degree to which society can't grapple with the idea that some people's brains are just sexually attracted to young people (we humans do sexually mature around 12-14 years of age), and as so to free ourselves of having to grapple with that problem, we move instead to assign all sort of other things to the offending persons across the board. In other words, it's never just about sex, it also has to be about power, coercion, etc. Your comment just sort of took my mind to that article I read years ago. Like that justification you put in quotations as applied to say an 8 year old might be difficult to accept, but what about a 17 year old?
Beatles-are-best ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:36:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Studies show rape is very often about power when it comes to adult victims too
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Often, sure. But this expert seemed to think that ascribing power as the motivator 100% of the time, which is what we do, was inaccurate with actual motivations. (I'm talking mostly about statutory rape here). I mean, sure, it's plausible that some dude having se with a 17 year old is in it all for the power, for the control, for the sense of manipulation and dominance...but isn't it just as plausible if not far more likely that a human male of reproductive age is going to be sexually attracted to a human female who is not only of reproductive age..but physiologically speaking in her prime reproductive years? It just seems to me that when it comes to cases where some 27 year old dude has sex with some 17 year old girl, it is far more rational to think that it was about sex and attraction and that all this other stuff about power, control, coercion, etc. is just something we ascribe to that situation to make it easier for us to make that person an outcast. I mean shit, we still do that while at the same time in every state in the country the age of consent is between 16 and 18. In Canada it's 16, in Mexico it's 12-14, etc. It seems odd to me that we allow something to be legal (again, talking about older teens), and then when people engage in the activity we socially decide that they are pathological sexual deviants. Logically, I don't get it.
LeoBravo ยท 1456 points ยท Posted at 15:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a relatively unconfident, unattractive single man and although I've always been afraid of dying alone, I'm starting to think "maybe I can just adopt a kid WITHOUT a partner and just be a single parent" because god DAMN if I couldn't do a better job than a lot of parents. If step 1 is "never rape anybody or knowingly allow people to be raped", apparently I'm already doing better than a scarily high number of people
EDIT: oh WOW this took off. Thanks for the votes of confidence, everyone.
062b ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 15:40:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can not adopt I would recommend at least starting with the Big Brothers program. It is a really life enriching experience. You take a kid whose family can not afford the means to do anything interesting who is without a strong male role model in their life and you provide them with life experiences and get to watch them grow into strong young men you can be proud of.
I grew up with parents who ignored me and I missed out on a lot of really important life experiences growing up. When I joined the program it was amazing, I got to share alot of life experiences I wished I had growing up with a boy who grew up into a very nice young man. It changed my life, its provided me endless hapiness and I no longer worried about confidence or dying alone. I slept easier knowing I have made a difference in someones life and I got a partner for doing fun things with on weekends.
Give it a shot I promise its worth your time.
mahasattva ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:07:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just visited their site, and that really looks like a fantastic program. How long have you been doing it for? How old is your little brother right now?
062b ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i started when i was 20 and he was 12, im in my 30s now and hes gone through college. We still keep in touch he's a great kid, but he was headed down a bad path. it was amazing watching him grow up. It taught me a lot about myself as well.
TediousCompanion ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:12:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to imagine that would help your chances of adopting a kid in the future, too. If you show up with 5 glowing references by the families of your "little brothers", that's gotta count for something.
LoveMyLibrary ยท 373 points ยท Posted at 15:27:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do it! Adopt. Or foster.
couragefish ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also respite care if you just want to try it out!
Just_A_Faze ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:22:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! It will be tough to get approved as a single man, but you can really make a world of difference.
Wanhope ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:55:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck adopting as a single man.
LoveMyLibrary ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:26:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on where you live and many other factors, for sure. Worth looking into, though.
LadyMichelle00 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:28:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See above. Another commenter who works in this field shot down this misconception.
lebookfairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do wish him good luck.
BOStrangler ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gender gap is real...
BDazzle ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:31:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can be done. I have a buddy whose single that adopted a kid(boy age 8) who had a troubled past. The boy is 18 now and grew up with a legit father figure and is probably all the better for it.
cahnabis ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact is that is harder for you to adopt too because of man like that who creep into kids rooms :/
Crantastical ยท 707 points ยท Posted at 15:30:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually untrue but a common misconception! I am a social worker and have worked with several single men who have successfully adopted including gay ones. Many children with certain trauma histories do better with single men.
Creeps like this are thoroughly vetted and surprisingly transparent. Besides, it's too much work to go through the adoption process when you can just get a gf and creep on her daughter.
TheGreatRao ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 15:33:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's great that you are out there guarding society from people like that and creating a warm home for the most vulnerable among us. These kind of stories leave me speechless.
Unsounded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised how common things like this are in the world of adoption and foster care. My mother is a social worker and she had to leave adoptions/placements after 20 years for more of a desk-position (still in social work but she deals with education and signing kids up for school now) because it's so draining and haunting.
It's truly made me afraid of some parts of this world.
DothrakAndRoll ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:40:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the insight! Glad to have some first hand input on something like this, I had assumed also what the above commentor said.
blackcat- ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:44:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wanted to adopt and heard it was a hard process and rightly so. But how long, in general, does it take to really, thoroughly check potential parents out? And are there any "warning signs" you look for even before the vetting process begins?
Crantastical ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:37:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are adopting through the foster care system, the first step is to become a licensed foster parent and identify yourself as "pre-adoptive". Becoming a licensed foster parent varies by state and I can only speak for DC. You need to take some classes, get CPR certified, have your home inspected for safety, have a spare bedroom appropriately furnished, it needs to be inspected for fire security, no lead paint, provide references who can attest to your character, child abuse and criminal background check, etc. It usually takes a few months but that's people who are working at the same time. Here is info on DC's process, which should give a general idea: DC Foster Parent Licensing Info
You'd probably have a child placed in your home whose goal is adoption (meaning they are no longer making efforts to reunite the child with the parent). Sometimes people really want a certain child - usually a baby - and they are willing to foster one in the hopes that the parent ends up losing their rights and the child becomes available for adoption but this is a good way to get your heart broken.
It is illegal in DC to discriminate against foster parents or adoptive parents on the basis of religion, gender, marital status, sexual preference, race, political party...probably other things too but that is all I can thing of right now. The religious foster care agencies here had to go out of business because of this law.
I didn't do licensure but worked with a lot of foster parents. I looked out for ones that were just in it for the paycheck. There is a stipend and it continues even post adoption until age 21 in DC (some other states are until 18, it varies). It is more than enough to cover the child's expenses and many people do this for profit.
poondi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question: Is it true that if you foster/adopt a child after a certain age, your income doesn't get factored into their federal college aid? So they would be able to go to college for free because there is no parental income to factor in?
Crantastical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about that. There are a lot of programs for former foster care youth.
Grunnikins ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:28:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's just the exclamation point doing the heavy lifting, but your small comment is currently changing around my entire outlook towards my near future. As another unattractive single man, in my mid-20s with a stable income on a part-time schedule, I have been battling baby fever since late high school and it has only become more intense over time. I have always entertained but never given serious consideration to actually trying to adopt a child because I've lived in today's zeitgeist surrounding men and their interactions with children.
I work in childhood education and nothingโnothingโis more precious to me than to see the look of dawning realization or excited imagination on their faces.
alabamacakelady ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:21:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't want to sound weird or anything, but you sound like the exact man a lot of healthy minded women would want a family with. A lot of us just want a good life and stand by a good man, doesn't matter what he looks like. (I know, cliche but it's true, I've seen a ton of average family men with great partners) But adoption is an amazing thing to do if you can do that so keep on doing you and good luck.
Grunnikins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. It really does make my day to hear that expressed by someone other than a friend who's just trying to cheer me up by telling me things I want to hear.
Cheers.
ScienceYouMonster ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:44:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should absolutely pursue adopting a child. So many deserving children need happy homes and supportive guardians!! You sound like a genuinely caring person, and I'm sure this will shine through with any respectable adoption agency.
Baz135 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Is that cases where they were abused by the mother?
Crantastical ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:26:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what I've seen and been told by other workers, yes. Or when it was a female that did the abusing or neglecting.
chevymonza ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:29:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about a couple that's a bit older? Around 50, in great health, financially sound homeowners?
Crantastical ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:03:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that would be a problem. But nobody gets a newborn out of the US foster care system so your age particularly wouldn't be a challenge if you were adopting an older child.
chevymonza ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:07:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point! Newborns are overrated anyway :-p
PM_ME_YOUR_LEFT_IRIS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is honestly more reassuring to me than you will ever know. I love kids, but at this point I don't think I'll ever actually find a wife.
NinjaLanternShark ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:04:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's good to know single men adopting isn't just completely shut down. As along as there are kids who need it, the more stable, responsible adults we have willing to adopt, the better.
I just hope you and the rest of the social workers out there are getting the resources you need to properly do your jobs.
Crantastical ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish! But thanks.
Treedom_Lighter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm straight, married, and childless (on purpose for now) but this may be my favorite comment I've ever read on this site. Thanks for taking the time to write it, I was definitely under that false impression before.
Species6348 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:48:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a single mom this is the type of shit that makes me afraid to date again.
Torugu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate on that?
PM_ME_YOUR_LEFT_IRIS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:24:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abusive mothers.
trog12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed at that more than I should have
bryan_young ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered. How does one vett a potential parent? How do you determine if they are creeps or unfit?
Crantastical ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a whole licensure process and you have to start out as a foster parent unless you're going through a private agency. It varies by state. This is DC Foster Parent Licensing Process
bryan_young ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. TIL some things. Surprised digging through ones browser history isn't a category lol.
Crantastical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It probably should be.
bryan_young ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think.
tigernmas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does that happen often?
Crantastical ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I don't see why they'd want to be foster parents. They'd have a social worker constantly all in their home and all up in their business. There are also home based tutors, therapists, etc, so it's a lot of people around. But again, I can only speak for DC.
TheLurkingMenace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transparent, as in you actually caught them? I'm afraid to ask how it was obvious.
mrm0rt0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious, but what certain trauma histories do better with a single male parent?
00000000000001000000 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it happens sometimes. You're saying that there isn't a trend, though? That single men looking to adopt children have similar success rates to single women?
Crantastical ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:23:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually never worked with a single woman who was trying to adopt. Maybe they prefer a homemade one? Us ladies do have that option.
ScienceYouMonster ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:48:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is really surprising to me. I'm a (as far as I know) fertile woman who recently decided to be a single mother to an adopted child in the future. I have no interest in going through labor and pregnancy, but I would love to help a mini person grow and succeed and find happiness. But I'm woefully terrible in romantic relationships and I don't plan on ever marrying. I just want to learn to be the best version of myself, and then try to pass that wisdom on.
imaginepterodactyls ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like you! That's amazing of you. Good luck.
ScienceYouMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much! I like your spontaneous positivity and your username!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Crantastical ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check your state laws. It is illegal to discriminate where I practice (DC). Honestly, there is such a shortage of foster parents, period, that when a person comes along who wants to adopt a child from foster care, they go to the head of the line. Because it is a very short to non-existent line unfortunately.
HillyBilly2 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:03:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying it's as easy to adopt a child for a single man as for for a couple?
I call complete bullshit on that.
originalrhetoric ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:08:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its harder for any individual over a couple just monetarily.
Crantastical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
States actually pay for your lawyer and all fees related to adoption from the foster care system, plus the child is covered by Medicaid regardless of parent income and there is an adoption stipend until the child is 18 or 21 (depends on state).
Crantastical ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:54:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is illegal in all states to discriminate on the basis of race, age, gender, sex, national origin and disability. Most states, like DC, where I practice, have added additional protections including religion, sexual preference, marital status, political party....some other stuff too but I can't remember it all. The Catholic foster care/adoption agencies had to go out of business b/c they wouldn't comply with the laws.
eronth ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Last I checked the restrictions for adopting as a single male were stricter than single female or a couple. Isn't the age requirement higher?
Crantastical ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:44:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What state are you in? The only age requirement where I practice is legal adulthood (sometimes older siblings adopt younger siblings so there isn't a huge gap).
eronth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh I guess I'll have to check again. I'm in Missouri, and not nearly ready to adopt, but it's crossed my mind so I had given some research (or so I thought).
katamaritumbleweed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/publications/adoption-welcomehome.pdf?sfvrsn=4
TestDoNotDownvote ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:41:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? As a dude who's been around kids my entire life helping with different programs or activities I STILL get dirty looks from parents when I play with kids, or say something to a kid. Like just being friendly. It honestly bothers me that random strangers would just assume I'm a pedo or something just because I'm a male.
mahasattva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Burr did a hilarious bit on exactly what you're talking about!
meshan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never say never to meeting someone. I have many ugly friends who are happily married to ugly partners.
mahasattva ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an ambiguously positive/negative comment :P
manatee25 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:33:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like you would be a great dad.
karaus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:36:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a PDF on how to go about adopting as a single parent.
bicycle_mice ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:29:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Attractiveness has absolutely nothing to do with being a good or bad parent. If you have a home with love you can foster or adopt!
absolut_chaos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should do it! kids are hard but so rewarding. So many need a good home and love
dj-malachi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone is meant to be married, and not everyone is meant to be a parent. Just listen to your heart, think hard about what it is you want to do, and then move confidently forward. Don't let anyone stop you.
elbenji ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and if you actually read to them at night and work with them on their homework, you're already better than a healthy percentage of parents I've worked with. Adoption isn't the worse, especially older kids. And if not, Big Brothers/Big Sisters is an amazing program.
JessicaMaple ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what your motivations are, but there's a program I've been looking into called CASA (court appointed special advocates) who works with neglected and abused kids in the court system.
I don't want any of my own, but there are kids out there who could use some badass advocates to stand up for them, listen and care for their needs. I want to be able to be that 'better parent' that they will never have, even if temporary.
Nerfinatorrr99 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being a parent in a two parent household is hard, children can be difficult, parenting alone is super hard, but at the same time there are plenty of children out there who need love and a family. I have a buddy who had 2 kids with this lady, she was kinda crazy and immature and is now out of the the picture so he is basically raising two young children by himself and is a damn good devoted father. So it's difficult but possible. I read this quote last night in Buddhist Boot camp by Timber Hawkeye "If you really want to do something, you will find a way. If you don't, you will find an excuse."- E James Rohn. Hopefully any of this helps
lostmylogininfo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do it
amandal0514 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go for it! You already sound like you'd do a great job and so many kids need help.
CardboardSoyuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you've got the resources, do it. Even a few years of stability will give them a taste of normalcy, and that's good for any kid. I bet you can find a support group in town for single dads who have adopted -- start there.
Ithoughtwe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you really want to be a parent go for it. :) (Oh but you should probably work on becoming more confident, because once you're a dad you will need to be able to speak out on behalf of your kids all the time.)
AlaskanWilson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll find someone someday buddy, there's someone out there for everyone
masterofdirtysecrets ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:32:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't threaten this kind young man!
SwineAreDivine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a kid out there who would love for you to be their Dad.
DieFledermausFarce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes so much to be a adoptive/foster parent. You're already an exceptional person for even considering it and the impact you could make in a child's life is beyond what you can ever imagine. I have a close friend who works for CPS and, the things she's seen...are horrifying. Even without being mentally/physically/sexually abused, neglected children need so much care to even begin to overcome what they've been through. That being said, make sure that every common area of the house is under CONSTANT VIDEO SERVEILLANCE WITH AUDIO, that everything is backed up to the cloud and that your home has excellent security. Even the sweet kids who try really hard to be good can have unpredictable and damaging behaviors that can totally blindside you.
HVY_METAL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad fosters it is amazing to see this little girl feel loved like I was at her age. She had nothing before him, clothes that didnt fit and full of holes. Now she has straight As, loves church, and calls him Dad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd definitely do some self improvement before raising a kid, you don't want the kid to suffer from the same issues you did.
LeoBravo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I'm gonna point out that as a non-rapist, I'm starting to feel like maybe the things I've been down on myself for are maybe not the worst flaws in the world. "Socially awkward" kind of pales in comparison, tbh
quatraine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a single mom by choice (hit 30 REALLY wanted to have kids, used donor, have done everything on my own) it's a fantastic choice in life if it's really important to you! If your heart is really in it it's not that hard. You just have to love them and give them attention, teach them about the world and make sure they have a little discipline and respect for others. Be consistent.
They're fun to hang out with! Last night me and my 9 yo daughter watched Friday the 13th to get her caught up on the 'classics'. Lol! She's in the GT program at school and just made it into the state choir. The other 2 are young, so I don't have anything concrete to brag about, but I always get compliments.
I would have adopted, but couldn't afford it and didn't think they'd trust a single mom so much. But now I've got proof that I'm good at it! As soon as mine are out of diapers I'm going to start looking for a place with more space and adopt as many as I can handle.
tigerscomeatnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish the same also, that I could have helped a child.
NikkolaiV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for faith in a good deed. Do it man, change a kids life for the better.
OniExpress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in a similar boat, getting to be old enough that I'm not sure if I'd want to have my own kids (I don't really want to be pushing 70 when they're in college), let alone that I'm going to find another person I'm willing to take a chance on (again) to get there.
Peakomegaflare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta agree with you there. I was considering it myself when I moved out and got my life in check, be a single dad and help make someone's life worth living.
atomicxblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't rape people" is surprising good advice for other parts of life as well like opening a bank account or going for a job interview.
I say go for it. I'm those kids long for a safe, stable environment.
Paraxic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately being single and a man means its going to be a lot more difficult to adopt than if you had a partner/spouse.
CuteBeaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a single female with health problems (Lupus / Not sure if I can have my own) Iv often considered fostering children over adoption. Reason being (at least in Canada) the government pays you to take care of older children who have been without a loving home. They pay for pretty much all the expenses and you get to take care of them, and have that bond with the child/teen which would otherwise feel unwanted. Kinda like a mentor / parent. Sure the possibility exists for a happy couple to legit adopt them, and take the child away from you, but its financially positive experience vs the expense of having / or adopting children yourself. If your a "single parent" this might be a good solution (to ease financial strain) depending on your state/country laws and the money they provide to the host family.
Source : A friend of mine (older by 10 years) does this. She straight up told her kids: "Im not officially your mother because we are going to make the system work for us. But I am here for you and will always be a part of your life if you want me to be. " The boy she fostered was happy with this and thought she was super smart. He still keeps in contact with her and writes her / and was eventually adopted by a couple and considers her his "god mother" . They adore her too. Good vibes all around and much better then her trying to shoulder a financial burden alone. She now fosters two more troubled boys. <3 They respect her so much and the change she makes in their lives is astounding.
sleezewad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I think that a single man trying to adopt a child on his own has its own stigma. Let's be dad's together.
Whiteoutlist ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's next to impossible for single people to adopt.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:35:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. And often times saying that can only make it more difficult because it discourages qualified single people to attempt the process.
Often times there's some natural logistical matters that can make single parent adoption more difficult: What are your daycare plans? Are you off work in time to pick them up from school? Do you have the financial means to support the child? Etc... BUT that can be easily overcome, and many single people would make great foster parents or adoption parents.
I think we need to just keep encouraging all people who want to be parents to go for it because the more people like that we have the better the adoption and fostercare system in this country will be.
Whiteoutlist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well maybe 'next to impossible' was the wrong phrase. I should have said that you would be scrutinized a lot more and could be restricted in who you want to adopt
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt the statistics are as alarming a you just insinuated
Frostbit3_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, but I doubt I'd be allowed to. I don't think I'd be worse than those people are, but I'm not going to be good either. I am absolute shit at providing emotional support or showing love.
demonlicious ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
surrogacy, unfortunately takes 100-200k in US. unless you can find someone kind enough to do it for just the medical bills, which will still be a yearly salary or two.
joshuaism ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. The old Woody Allen technique to raising a wife.
KutombaWasimamizi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
step 1 to feeling and being more confident and attractive is not telling the whole internet how beta and ugly you are unsolicited.
a lot of your issues could probably be solved if you weren't too shy to go to a salon and ask for hair help or go to a stylist and ask for clothing help.
There are very very very very very few people in the world who are SO ugly they're incapable of finding someone and that number is WAY less than people who think they're too ugly for love
allhailcandy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:31:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, GOOD LUCK!
Shrewd_GC ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:05:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the interest of the child, don't adopt as a single parent. You cannot do it well; even if you can parent that child while working 40hrs, you could do it so much better with a second set of hands (even if they aren't the best parent). Can't tell you the number of, even rich, single parents who have raised children that grew up to be degenerates in one way or another, not just self destructive, but actively harmful to those around them.
In my experience, the only family situations worse than single parenting are abusive (physical or psychological) or completely absent families.
sad_handjob ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:29:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of well adjusted people have been raised by single parents. A mediocre parent who stays in a relationship just for the sake of the child can do a lot of damage
mahasattva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I STRONGLY second this. My aunt married a horrible horrible man; not abusive, just a complete deadbeat. He is completely ruining her and her son's lives. Their house was just foreclosed because of his negligence trying to cheat the system. She would be so much better off without that sack of shit pulling them towards rock bottom, but just can't seem to see the reality of her situation.
Edit: Oh, and did I mention he hasn't even had a job in 2 years and just leaches off her income?
Shrewd_GC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I have to base my outlook on is my personal observations. I'm sure there are well adjusted people raised by single parents,but I haven't met any. Not saying a two parent system always produces "winners" ,but I've never met someone raised by a single parent that had everything together mentally; I've met some that understand their mental obstacles and handle them better than others, but I've encountered none that are unaffected by the loss or absence of one or both parents.
sad_handjob ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:49:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems doubtful to me that most single parents simply turned down a genuine opportunity to raise a child with a healthy significant other. Many cases of single parenthood are people who choose to raise their child alone instead of in a toxic relationship, and I think that kind of independence and integrity should be celebrated. As someone who grew up in a home with an abusive parent, I really wish my mom would have had the bravery to leave my father and raise me on her own
settingmeup ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:17:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard of a story like that two decades ago. Seems to not be an uncommon human failing.
WellSeeHeresTheThing ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:38:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worse one was my best friend in HS. He was 16, his sister was 13 at the time. They had his cousin living with them for some reason, who was 22.
So my friend walks in on the guy and his sister. He flips out and kicks the guy out, like "never come back here again!" And all that. Which is impressive for a 16 year old even if he always was big for his age.
But here's the really shitty part. His Dad, who should have been in a killing mood since that was.. you know.. his daughter, invited the guy back. Saying stuff like "well you can't blame him, that's just how boys are." And "well it's not like she's likely to find another boyfriend..." insulting her looks.
They fought about it a lot, the guy came back and I don't know what happened after that. Eventually she met a girl and moved to Asia with her, so she got far away.
settingmeup ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:47:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, WTF. Such a shitty father indeed! Kudos to your friend, he seems to have been born a decent, strong person. Luckily he was able to fall back on that... a less strong individual would have caved. No one should have to face such crap at that age.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet the edgelords on Reddit love to joke about underage kids. That shit is just not funny.
settingmeup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:41:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, a lot of humour is tasteless and over the limits of decency, but a lot of people can separate the actual horror from the crappy joke.
fucky_fucky ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:33:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A not uncommon female failing. Women seem to be extremely prone to jealousy.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:39:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given the amount of men who kill their partners or ex-partners out of jealousy, I wouldn't be too quick to point at any gender as being the jealous one.
fucky_fucky ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 15:44:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Men are jealous too, sure, but women seem to be remarkably prone to jealousy. I don't know why, that's just what I've observed.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:45:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a touch of cognitive bias, I suspect.
fucky_fucky ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know that men and women aren't exactly the same?
True story.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure those particular bell curves have virtually negligible non-overlap, but just for the craic, I'm going to go look at papers when I get home and see if anyone's looked into it. I'm prepared to be wrong. Right now we're both arguing on hunches.
fucky_fucky ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel free to come back and apologize when you find that I'm right.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just flicking through the abstracts on the most cited papers. Can't go through them in full till I'm home. Conclusions seem fairly consistent though. My rough summary here is that men and women feel jealousy about equally, but there are behavioural differences. Men try to prevent women cheating and see them as devalued when they do. Women are more worried about losing their partner to cheating. But in terms of just being jealous, it looks like more or less an even split on sentiment, valence, and frequency. Some studies put men as slightly more jealous, some put women as slightly more jealous.
The more you know!
Here, you can flick through the summaries yourself.
fucky_fucky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From psychology today:
And Penn State:
hey_hey_you_you ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I gave you a link to the most cited peer-reviewed journal papers and you hit back with feckin' psychology today? And I just said that some studies say men are more jealous than women, and some say the opposite. I presume that comes down to how a given study is defining and measuring jealousy. What you've just done, my dear, is cherry pick a couple of sources, one of which is kind of a rag. I tried to give you my honest reading and summary of a bunch of well-cited studies. But, sure, fuck me, right?
Hey, while we're talking about psychology, you might want to read up on the backfire effect.
Maybe look up some meta analyses on the subject. That should be a better approach than googling "women are more jealous" if you want to find something out rather than just win a silly little argument on the internet.
fucky_fucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, presumably the studies cited actually exist out there somewhere, and either of us could find them if we really wanted to. I just don't care to. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Yeah, I'm cherry picking, but so are you. That's kind of how this whole debate thing works. It seems the reality of the situation is that different studies will yield different results depending upon how they define jealousy. That women are often (unnecessarily, in my opinion) jealous of other women is a well-known phenomenon going back to Shakespeare days. Of course that does not prove my point, but it should at least give you pause. Popular wisdom is of course fallible, but it usually has an element of truth to it.
So I just actually read your comment, and it seems that we're saying essentially the same thing.
Maybe our own internal definitions of jealousy differ in the same way that the studies definitions do. I don't know. But I will concede that the jealousy difference between the sexes probably isn't as great as I suspected, so the point goes to you. Good show, let's do it again some time.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't cherry pick. I just looked at the summaries of the top 5 or 6 papers listed. This isn't my area, so I can't tell you how reputable any particular journal or researcher is in this field, so highest number of citations was the proxy I was going by.
Well, good stuff, we both learned some things. Thanks for a pleasantly civil internet fight.
fucky_fucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pleasantly civil indeed. I often just insult people and move on because I intuit that their interest lies not in finding and accepting the truth, but in satisfying their ego. Somehow I could tell that you aren't like that. It's a distressingly rare characteristic, even among people who are aware of cognitive bias. Just part of the human condition, I guess. Take care.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I'm a PhD researcher. You have to read things as honestly and open-mindedly as you can, from the best sources you can find or you're fucked. Though, of course, I do plenty of stupid, biased shouting on the internet too. Who doesn't? In this case I was actually curious and wanted to find out what consensus was.
fucky_fucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I was curious, I mean, not a PhD researcher. I'm just a lowly BSME.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, what's the difference between a BSME and a BEng?
fucky_fucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BSME is BS in mechanical engineering. BEng is BS in engineering, so I assume it's more general.
hey_hey_you_you ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Over here you'd get a BEng, but it would specifically be in Mech Eng. Here, a BSc has slightly looser constraints on what must be covered than a BEng, I think, though I'm not sure that would apply to a BSME.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fucky_fucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you writing your thesis on?
hey_hey_you_you ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll excuse me if I don't say, because it's very identifying information. But the field is somewhere between design and STS, kinda.
flurryMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen many men more prone to jealousy than many females. Definitely not a trait defined by gender.
opticorange ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucked, that's why people get trust issues.
offlightsedge ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:52:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to one of my exes for years, and her mother wouldn't believe her. I've never felt so sick hearing someone talk about their childhood before or since.
gigajesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My ex wasn't raped by her stepdad, but her shit crazy mom told her something along the lines of "don't even think about flirting/fucking/whatever with [stepdad]"
Like she was so paranoid and jealous she thought her teenage daughter was going to steal her husband.
DaddySquirtLover ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:42:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. I was a voting member of a grand jury in Cleveland nonetheless for 4 months back in 2012. We had a 23 year old woman come sit down with us and explaine the abuse she suffered from her step-father at the age of 7 to 16 years old. She went on to explain how her mother would punished her out of jealousy. She didn't want her mother to be indicted, but under Ohio laws the state can press charges if there's enough evidence of negligence, so we slapped some indictments on that sad excuse of a mother as well.
Salexandrez ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait that's fucked up, the victim stated that she didn't want her mother punished and you punished her anyway? who are you helping in this situation? are you not just forcing your ethics onto someone else who doesn't want them? The job of the jury should be to help the victim not to harm them
lagerbaer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine it's a mental protection. Like, your brain just doesn't want to face the reality that the guy you're dating is a pedophile, so it jumps to an outlandish alternative.
LSDeeezNutz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, its one thing to not want to believe it, but its another to actually deny clear evidence or even blame the victim in the situation
DocRocks0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no respect for people like this. How god damn weak-minded and pathetic. It should be a criminal offense if it comes out in court proceedings.
jerkITwithRIGHTYnewb ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1/10 Americans experience uninvited sexual advances as children. Keep that alarming number in mind when you talk about or crack jokes about sexual assault. I am guilty of it too, just saying.
Edit: that sounded like I was directing it at you, I wasn't. You are right, it is very common, that just comes to mind.
fuckusnowman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:45:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, kinda open about your guilty history!
doitroygsbre ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source
zeonchar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a neighbor sneak into my yard one night and knock on my window. When I told my family member I was living with and they called the police, the police tried to tell ME that he was my secret boyfriend and to just confess. It made me SO MAD. People don't give teenagers enough credit.
EatSheets ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. From multiple people. This is far more common than people think
It's pretty fucking disgusting and leaves me losing hope in the world sometimes
Maxpowr9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's pretty well known now that an abuser is more likely to be someone you know than a stranger.
Bottled_Void ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people want to dismiss the claim rather than have to deal with the ramifications of it being true.
blindfist926 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an episode on some Leopards on National Geographic last night, a mom and her little ones. Long story short, the little ones grow up and the mom starts noticing scent changes, she's noticing the male leopards not noticing her anymore and kicks her own out.
They don't see their child being taken advantage of, the stories always the same, accused of flirting, asking for it, etc. I think worst of all is the straight up denial, why the hell would a kid be making that shit up? All kinds of bullshit.
MasoKist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not my stepdad, but a friend's. We were 15 or so, a group of 8 or 10 guys and girls, and feeling very grown up smoking and partying at this one trashy girl's house. Her stepdad had given us strawberry wine and I felt weird so I left the party and went to lay in her room.
After awhile, her stepdad came and got in the bed with me. I remember him locking the door behind him.
So I told him to leave me alone of course. After awhile he gave up and left. Then the next thing I know, Trashy Girl's mom comes in yelling that she's gonna kill me or whatever. I guess after I shut him down he told her that I was coming after him.
My friends and I eventually got the parents away from us and all went to sleep in her brother's room in a row against the door.
I never told my parents or anything, because I needed my dad around.
The worst part is, later when I was 19 or so, I was working at a little grocery store -- he came through my checkout and I hardly said anything. About 30 minutes after he left, my manager came to tell me 'There's a man named Ed on the phone for you.' I didn't go to the phone and that was the end of it, but oh my god it was surreal.
PurlToo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how some people can be so blinded by "love." Even if your 12 year old developed a crush an adult still shouldn't act on it. Even if your child "flirted with" your SO them acting on it makes them 100% a monster. How on Earth is one okay with that? Gross.
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the mental health field, and it has become an all to common theme for females who have been sexually abused by mother's SO. Still, no matter how many times I hear it, I feel absolutely sick when I hear about a mother accusing the child of lying, or blaming the child ("You shouldn't wear those pajamas!; You know how men are!") (me puking in my mouth). My heart breaks to see the fallout in these women's lives as a result of the compounded traumas.
It's a horrifying reality that many, many people who've sexually abused a child(ren) are walking around free. They are not identified on the map of registered sexual offenders, because they've not been reported.
WesterosiBrigand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The number one risk factor for a young child being sexually assaulted?
They have a male living in the house to which they are not biologically related.
Fucked up but true.
Three_Scarabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My life is looking through those files. Well the ones that are caught. I used to have nightmares about just being buried by those files, not to mention the nightmares in them. Luckily I get to help get the kids somewhere better.
justavault ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well a lot of women just want to feel desired and be desirable.
EDIT: No sense behind downvoting this. This literally is the reason why a mature woman who is even the stepmother of a daughter would ever tell her that she is jealous of her having this specific man as her boyfriend/partner.
Neat_On_The_Rocks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm conflicted, you hear it happen so often that its almost hard to properly judge someone unless you've gone through it yourself.
it seems like people instantly put up some crazy tunnel vision, simply not wanting to believe a person they care for is a straight up monster
spacejamjim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
egotistical culture. The music, the dance, the tv shows, the idols... egotistical. No better way to be f-ed up than to take everything personally and compare to everyone.
Then these people raise kids......
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LSDeeezNutz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to women blaming their daughters or whoever for their spouse' advances towards them
originaldollparts ยท 675 points ยท Posted at 15:19:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You deserved better than that. I am so very terribly sorry. Please know, the mother part of me is hugging the child part of you, I believe you, and had I been there, I would have protected you. Many many many NORMAL people would have, my dear. Much love to you.
amandal0514 ยท 300 points ยท Posted at 15:40:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! The little girl in me appreciates it greatly โค๏ธ
cariboumustard ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mom in me also hugs the child in you and believes you and would have protected you, had I been able. Everything u/originaldollparts said is spot on.
Akranidos ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:42:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are... pregnant?
faceandpalm ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 15:33:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a beautiful reply.
ddisbetterthankk ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What valuable input.
spacejamjim ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:13:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many people out there wishing they had someone with half the compassion. Share that heart of yours.
circuitryofthewolf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:51:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is hands down one of the loveliest ways I've heard/read someone comfort another.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my best friends grew up in a 'normal', loving, financially stable family. It took him a good while in his life to not be blown away from his friends' stories of abuse and neglect. It took me a good while to believe him, as I would subconciously searcb for flaws in himself and his family. They were far from perfect, but when I see them, I can safely say they are the family I never had, but should have.
PraiseTheSuun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's too bad predators go after unprotected children generally.
letsgosago ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me cry. I second this. There's so much messed up in the world today, and my heart hurts as a mother. To hear of children in this situation... Yes, MANY of us would protect you with our LIFE. You are special and you deserved so much better indeed.
reddog323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well stated :)
BlackieJew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CBC cancc
jeffmangumcondom ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 15:12:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I had a similar thing happen and she just laughed in my face and didn't believe me. I'm sorry, I hope you're doing well.
learnhowtospell ยท 741 points ยท Posted at 15:00:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so, so sorry that happened to you.
Comeh ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 15:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its really sad to think HOW common this is. I worked grand jury in downtown Chicago for a month, and you'd be surprised how fucking many cases you hear just like OP's (with less stabbings).
blackxxwolf3 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:34:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people dont realize how bad it truly is. growing up i knew plenty of people who were molested. (having it done to myself makes it easier to get them to talk about it) and out of all my friends who had it happen to them only 1 of them actualy went to the police about it. thats a alot of kids who never spoke out about it and never got justice.
Comeh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanna say I'm sorry it happened to you. More should and can be done about this issue. Hopefully we will make progress as a society.
KimothyMack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was on a Grand Jury for three months, and they saved those cases for Thursdays (we didn't serve on Fridays). The courts had learned over time that leaving the emotional cases to once or twice a month, with a weekend for recovery, helped the juries handle them better.
While being on a grand jury was an excellent experience, it really opened my eyes to how much horror actually exists in the world.
[deleted] ยท -87 points ยท Posted at 15:20:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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learnhowtospell ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:23:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also sorry about whatever happened to you that makes you want to spend your free time leaving hurtful comments. I hope you will be in a better place soon.
justaddchocolate ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:27:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem like a really good person, learnhowtospell. Thanks for making the world a better place with your peaceful reply!
Mango_Deplaned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed! learnhowtospell didn't even point out crept is the past tense of creep.
coates4 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for returning a negative comment with a positive one. We need more people like you in the world.
deephousebeing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:34:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish more people recognized how to respond like this in certain situations. Good on you.
zootskippedagroove6 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I'm gonna try this now
CQReborn ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:23:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"DURRR GIES IM SO EDGY LEL DAE PEDO? XDDDDD" - This guy, probably.
SwollenPeckas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You idiots never fail to disappoint. This butthurt reaction is exactly what he wants.
CQReborn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no I spent 5 seconds writing a sentence, he sure got me with that bamboozl. /s
thelonghornlady ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:23:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you're a POS
slammyman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:23:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Adolf! But nothing is hilarious here. Troll elsewhere.
SlinkyBlue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spotted the edgy kid of the thread
ReLajiao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a piece of shit.
Jaredocobo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Bet he is a Trumper". Checks post history. Yup.
WellSeeHeresTheThing ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:30:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's another round of "Troll or Trumpet"! Thanks for playing!
Jaredocobo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I win the year supply of Covfefe???
SomeBroadYouDontKnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You get a years' supply of coffee because the sponsors don't know what covfefe is and said "eh, close enough."
Jaredocobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I win the year supply of Covfefe???
jhcooper_7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may be an utter cunt.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:58:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A message of solidarity... Some creep broke into my home when I was 12 and molested me. I didn't know who my tormenter was because my room was pitch black. I awoke to that creep and kicked and screamed. He ran off but in doing so knocked over a wall phone. The relentless beeping became too much after about an hour and I quietly rose up from my frozen position to place the phone back on the handle. Then I snuck into my mother's room, laid on the floor, and grabbed her hand and played 'Dumbo'. My mom used to call it that, when we'd grab hands if I was too scared to sleep as a kid. The next morning nothing hit until I went to take a shower and ran out of the bathroom screaming because my clothing/undergarments had been cut with something sharp. It forced me to remember.
Well, my father is a fucking cop. Don't be stupid kids, but don't be an adult man that rapes a 12 year old daughter of a cop. The perp didn't even try to hide his identity. The cops came and dusted my house at likely entry points for fingerprints/evidence/etc. This guy had a record. Turns out he was (at the time) my best friend's older brother.
I sat in one of those closed circuit interviews. And told what I could recall from that night. Being friendly with the cops enabled my parents to hear more of the defense arguments. That fucker actually had his MOTHER testify that I was a scandalous young whore apparently. That her son did no wrong and was only caught up in my 'web of deceit'. Me, the 12 year old. Him the 22 year old.
That asshole was rounded up and sent to prison for 20 years. He only served 8. I still remember the day I received notification he was set to be released.
I hope he fucking burns in hell.
amandal0514 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:03:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I'm so sorry. I'm glad he was caught but I'm sorry that's all he had to serve.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guys address/formal implication may or may not had been released to my 3 older brothers before his arrest. His mugshot is fucking priceless.
amandal0514 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's awesome!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a small victory in the face of that shit.
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 15:00:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awful :(
butlb ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My own mother called me a liar when I told her that her boyfriend has been sexually assaulting me for a few years. I'd screamed for her a few times and after coming in and getting him out, she'd tell me that he probably thought it was her because he was drunk. I believed that for so long because I do look similar to her.
It continued to happen for a few more years until I broke down to my best friend about it and she (and her parents) made me move in with them. My friend pointed out that it started when I was seven, and a seven year old won't look exactly like their 24 year old mother. She also said that when I dyed my hair, I looked extremely different and the similarities between my mum and I were not as prominent.
I think that some people may go into denial and try to block out things they don't want to admit to themselves. This woman is my hero. If I found out somebody was abusing my child, I'd do the same and happily do the time because I know how it makes you feel as a victim.
amandal0514 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry. That's an insane reaction from your mom. Even if he did "mistake you" for her his ass would be toast if I were her.
I'm glad you had such an awesome friend and I hope you're doing well โค๏ธ
butlb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I always used that that excuse partly for myself. The excuse can only really be used once, the countless times he came in over the course of 8 years can't be explained away with the fact that I look like my mother. I haven't had to deal with much fallout because I spent so much time in denial thankfully.
I'm finally getting therapy next Tuesday so I'm really looking forward to that! Thank you for your well wishes, kind stranger! ๐
harriharlot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:18:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 12, my mother pushed me down a flight of stairs and called me a skank when I told her that her boyfriend had been molesting me. She now wonders why I don't involve her in my life at all.
WHAT-WOULD-HITLER-DO ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom's ex husband tried sleeping with me and harassed me verbally and physically daily all throughout high school. Everyone saw it but she was in complete denial. I confronted her about it years layer in my 20s, and she acted like I had just told her something about another planet. I don't get it. I just really don't. It was as if she never could have imagined it, and she said if she knew she wouldn't have let that go on. None of it makes any sense, but it's sad how often I hear of new partners going after the kids
can_dry ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:59:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes! How'd that turn out?? If you were any yonger than 18 that would be a pretty shitty living situation from that point on I'm guessing!!
pilluwed ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:02:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's shitty even if she is 18. Hopefully she had a lock on the door.
amandal0514 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:23:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was 17. Don't recall how much longer he stayed there but there weren't anymore issues.
So many times I wish I could go back in time and turn around and punch him.
VIIIMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard this before. I seem to remember that my grandmother said the same thing to my mother when she told her that her step-father was sexually assaulting her. I'd also heard it in other accounts of sexual abuse that I've read about. The number of mothers that were complacent and almost defensive about it was pretty fucking disturbing. Hell, there was one story where the mother disowned her daughter for having her father arrested because her father was molesting her. It's fucking mind blowing.
cpd0501 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:10:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry this happened to you. That's really messed up. You might want to check out r/raisedbynarcissists
SuggestiveDetective ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, love. Parents like that are poison to their children's minds. I am your mother now. I hope you like bunnies and hiking.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:01:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women can be mesmerized by dirty dick men not just men folks don't bring strange people around your kids and if you must please listen to them.
drunk98 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly be a dirty dick man?
blaskowich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would also like to know this
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty dick men are essentially live in boyfriends who don't do shit i.e work,job,clean they tend to be man whores and pedos me being of the African American community know of many dirty dick men.
EDIT: Dirty men almost exclusively go for meek women who need a man to live.
drunk98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf, why did you respond to him but not me? Wait a minute, are you a dirty dick dude?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You saw it didn't you? And yes I have the dirtiest of dicks.
blaskowich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you seriously salty because he didn't directly respond to you?
drunk98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:18:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you seriously questioning my saltyness? I mean, that's some back of the bus shit if I ever seen it.
Sebleh89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's terrifying to hear. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I hope it didn't go farther than that. =/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that's brutal
Attack_Of_The_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A parent/pseudo parent/an adult should never react like this to these sort of claims coming from a child.
I'm sorry that you had to experience something like that.
I had always been physically more mature than my actual age and I've had my parents friends, their colleagues and strangers act that sort of way towards me from a young age. I've never been sexually abused, but if what I have felt is in any way even slightly similar to you, I'm so very sorry that you have had to experience that.
Nightchade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I EVER hear this from one of my kids, and my next post after will be from inside prison. Guy would never make it out of the house.
amandal0514 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a tween daughter now and god help the person who tries anything like that on her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry you went thru that, you are not alone.
I worked with a girl at a fast food place, total sweetheart of a girl. She caught her Mom's boyfriend watching her take a shower and her Mom said the same thing.
I will never understand people. Stuff like that really does chip away at the faith you have in humanity.
Scrimshawmud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A girl I was in band with in Jr.high told me her brother and father were molesting her. I asked if her mom could help, and she said her mom had punished her when told.
SlippyIsDead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knew a girl who got kicked out of her own home at 16 because mom's boyfriend tried to molest her in the middle of the night. Mom told her daughter that she shouldn't be hitting on her boyfriend and to stop being such a whore.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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amandal0514 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never expected when I posted this that I would get so many wonderful replies. Thank you! โค๏ธ
borrabnu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A girl who babysat for me a couple times when I was four / five / six (she was also a kid, but a teenager at the time) got kicked out of her house after accusing her mom's boyfriend. After that, I had to get a new babysitter.
I remember her being awesome, but I guess that stuff really fucks you up, because she's currently on death row in California.
I write to her sometimes; it's hard to believe she could have done this stuff.
horny_fuckers ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:56:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf? what happened?
amandal0514 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:15:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I woke up to his hands down my pajama pants one night and I was too scared to do or say anything. I pretended to start waking up and he left.
Wrote her a note that morning and slipped it to her on the way to the shower (he slept in the living room and was right there) so she sent me and my adopted dad off on an errand so she could talk to him alone.
We came back and she told me I either dreamed it or was lying because I was jealous of her because he denied it.
DrSteveChipperson ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:25:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
weird that he would deny something like that
DocRocks0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:43:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offense but I hope your mom gets an awful disease like cancer. You can say "sorry I don't believe you you must be lying!" when she asks for trips to the hospital or help with medical bills.
codmw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:26:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's terrible. Sorry you went through that. Hopefully things are better for you now.
SkaXc0re77 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 15:01:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
of course youuuuu would want to know the details
keto-matt ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:03:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the looks of your username your interest isn't innocent
horny_fuckers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fucks sake
chookine123 ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 15:00:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird stuff. Butt stuff.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Californiadreamin87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus people.
tigerscomeatnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for that, I hope you can heal.
steveamsp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, your mom doesn't have the common sense that the mother in this story exhibited.
Eddievetters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry that happened. It's so unfair that people react that way.
delamerica93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude that's so not cool.. :(
Punch_kick_run ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen that a couple times with friend's parents. It's almost primal how vicious someone can be towards what their brain might be perceiving as competition.
Swampfoxx89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry...
lizardblizzard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom is a cunt
egus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the actual fuck.
squishysquishh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus. Are you ok? Hope you're life has since then improved and you're happy now.
amandal0514 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, thank you. That was far from the only bad thing to happen in my life but I think I've done pretty well. If anything, all of that helped me to be an awesome mom (at least that's what people tell me!).
squishysquishh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes girl. I had a crappy "mom". She put me through hell but it taught me how to not act with my own children. I strive to be the mom I never had. I'd like to say I'm doing a decent job at it so far. Sounds like you are too. God bless.
amandal0514 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! People always ask how I am so "normal" and I say I just do the exact opposite of what was done to me growing up!
soup2nuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did this family friend eventually murder her?
duggtodeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry you had to live with such a narcissist:(
135790086421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a bitch.
PM_ME_CLASSIC_VANS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry Amanda..... i hope bad bad things for him!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Cousins mother said nothing about her husband raping her daughters. She got jealous, of all things. And she calls herself a "Christian".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Creeped into my room late one night"
Because the Nintendo was in there, right?
ghoulsmashrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that shit. That's terrible. I can't believe anyone would think this. I'm so sorry this happened
horacre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Were you?
[deleted] ยท -46 points ยท Posted at 15:04:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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k9moonmoon ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:07:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, she's an adopted kid, through an agency of some sort. Adopted mom instead of Birth mom.
TheInverseFlash ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:24:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the mom wasn't adopted. Adopted is past tense. Is english your first language? She'd be an adopter. Not adopted. Jesus fuck. Reddit is dumb as hell sometimes.
Adoptee - child not yet taken by a family
Adopted - child taken by a family
Adopter - person who adopts a child
These are dictionary definitions. "Adopted mother" is no a real thing.
k9moonmoon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:31:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you so unfamiliar with interacting with humans that colloquial terms are considered foreign to you?
Ramsayreek ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An insignificant mistake that everyone understood what OP meant and was being implied, yet you're too ignorant and dense to figure it out.
See, look, even you made a grammatical error in your rant:
But no one is asking you what you mean or is confused by this error, because everyone knows you meant to say "not a real thing". Well, mostly everyone. I'm not so sure you'd be able to figure that out.
TheInverseFlash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:56:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A typo is different than a grammatical error.
I typo all the time especially since i use hunt and peck style typing, usually in the dark, several other reasons.
I still bet I can type faster than you however. I've been training for decades.
_Cattack_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a common phrase. You got what she meant. Their telling a story about abuse and you're too busy being a douche about a term that's used often. Using a common phrase does not show lack of intelligence.
TheInverseFlash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it a common phrase when I've never heard it and have known several foster and adopted kids?
wanted_to_reply ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you are a basement dweller.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I live by myself on the first floor of a house turned apartment in a 1 bedroom place. But hey. I guess you must see yourself in everyone you meet (not in person --- online only since you never leeave your computer even to sleep) because you're a sad lonely 60 year old man who is 300 pounds and has to ask his mum to make him chicken tendies.
wanted_to_reply ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/iamverysmart
-Hallow- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I don't think this qualifies.
wanted_to_reply ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/iamabuzzkill
-Hallow- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad but true.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I was replying to an insult with facts. Living in a crappy (albeit one of the biggest) apartments doesn't make me smart. It makes me lucky. I don't even have or can get a dishwasher, dryer, or washer. I just have a lot of floor space. I want to build a wall so I can even rent out half of the apartment (between the kitchen and living room, turning it into just 2 bedrooms with a shared kitchen)
Arippa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not even adopted and I have heard the phrase, "adopted mother". I knew exactly what the writer meant.
_Cattack_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How am I supposed to know why you never heard it? Out of everyone that replied to this person, you're the only one to take offense to it. Meaning everyone knew what they were saying because they've heard it before. It's a big world with many different people in it. The sooner you realize that, the better things will be for you.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you assume everyone has heard everything you have? Are you that arrogant? You know reddit is an international site, right? Do you think they play every TV program everywhere? How should for example know what "Scooby Snacks" are if their country didn't air any of the shows?
Me not knowing of a common phrase to YOU doesn't mean you also don't know of a common phrase to ME... I want to use double-double but that's too well known... May 24 weekend. There, non Canadians probably don't know that.
_Cattack_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to take your offense somewhere else. I never said everyone has heard everything I have. You're the only one getting offended at the use "adopted mother". And you say I'm arrogant? Lol, maybe you should look back at your own comments before calling the kettle black.
And:
And:
That's only a couple. My point is, you felt the need to correct someone when they were sharing a story of how they were sexually assaulted. Just show some common decency. There's a time and place for these things and now was not the time to correct a grammatical mistake. And the people lashing back at you are completely justified. Your responses, however, are not. Just quit while you're 'ahead'.
-Hallow- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get it, you're probably just trolling. I really hope you are.
Edit: Removed me being a dick.
TheInverseFlash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Says the troll.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:16:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Whale_peddler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ This is the appropriate response.
TheInverseFlash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, name calling is appropriate?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheInverseFlash ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm a cunt because I tell you to stop calling people swear words?
Edit: And I'm downvoted because I ask to stop being sworn at? Reddit. I'm not a cunt. You are the cunts.
Whale_peddler ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:15 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez, even your edit is cunty.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:23:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You call me asshole yet you're the one throwing slurs.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the time or place, kid.
amandal0514 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good lord. Sorry for using the wrong tense. Some people's priorities amaze me.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I realise I was kinda being a jackass... but I was just trying to inform. I've been drinking, so yeah... my critical thinking skills about taking a second look at things before I post them are kinda gone.
arnielax17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that your spelling of "realise" isn't the proper form accepted in the states, yes? Let's blame that one on the booze too. Asshole.
YairHadar ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:08:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come the fuck on. Adoptive* mom. Here ya' go.
TheInverseFlash ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:15:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adopter, moron.
-Hallow- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/adoptive
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:31:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheInverseFlash ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're being abusive, offensive, and antagonising?
KindOrHonest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just honest.
YairHadar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're being honest about being an abuser? What is your real life name, if you're honest. We need to warn people about dating you.
KindOrHonest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a real character. You're mad about being called an idiot in a reply to a post where you called someone a moron.
People dont come to reddit to practice their grammar. Its always arrogant to correct someones grammar on a public forum, but its especially inappropriate to correct someone's grammar when they're talking about a sensitive subject. Like rape in this instance.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been raped (no, seriously - babysitter), are you inappropriate to criticise me? I don't think so.
If nobody ever tries to correct your grammar our language will devolve. I am not judging the person themselves just their use of language.
arnielax17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying you have been through a similar experience. Instead of showing compassion to someone who opened up about it you decide to critique her grammar?
Roast_A_Botch ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:10:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was adopted by the woman. The woman had a fuck buddy who was inappropriate with the adopted daughter. I wouldn't be so condescending when you can't comprehend.
TheInverseFlash ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then the mother would be the adopter. Not the adopted mother. See the difference in the past/future/present/passive/etc tense of the word?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:17:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Says the person who made the mistake of actually breaking the subreddit rules by harassing a user? ยฏ\(ใ)/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who the fuck cares?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make her the adoptive mom. It really isn't a stretch to understand. And I don't know why you insist on having the details of exactly how this person was connected to her adoptive family. "Male family friend" seems pretty straight-forward. Are you just frustrated because you want her to fill out the details for you to fantasize about, but you're too OCD about proper grammer that her use of "adopted" in place of "adoptive" keeps you from being able to fap?
coops678 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adopted/adoptive: who really cares? By arguing the semantics of the OP you are being beyond insensitive.
RyuNoKami ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:08:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If op was adopted then her mother isn't a step mom. Step mom implies her mother was at one point married to her father.
TheInverseFlash ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:18:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what would call the child's mother of a father who remarried with an adopted child? Also why did you use female pronouns when the rule in English is to assume the male gender? Just like French.
blaskowich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the story most of us assume OP is female
lighhht ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her username is literally "Amanda" something.
Also, stop being a cunt. Calling people out for stupid mistakes doesn't make you look smarter. On the contrary, it makes it look like you are overcompensating, specially when you say it with as much agression as you did.
TheInverseFlash ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony
lighhht ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference being, you started this chain. OP just shared us a very private and traumatic memory, and instead of being sympathetic towards her you just decide to complain about her fucking grammar and how everyone in Reddit is so dumb for not agreeing with you. So don't expect much kindness when you just keep going and going and going.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expected it to be read and done with. I didn't even expect upvotes. Just a notice of the proper grammar to show in her inbox.
Reddit instead tried to create a villain and as usual fucked up. Just like they did with the Boston Bomber. You fuckups ruin simple fucking online posting. You want to create a villain so you so do. You have a vigilante complex. You are the villains.
RyuNoKami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you not in Reddit with us? i guess you are also part of the problem.
-Hallow- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, it's not a rule that you have to use male pronouns when the gender is unknown, it's just preference.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I was taught masculine comes first. At least where gender is not specified for the rest of the group.
ie. A group of guys (1 guy 5 girls) will be met with "hey you guys" not "hello ladies" (unless you're a creep)
-Hallow- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it works that way with groups and traditionally with individuals, but it's not a set-in-stone rule for the latter.
-Hallow- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't you phrase this in a nicer way?
I get that you probably didn't mean to sound harsh, but you can have a mother that adopted you. I assume that is what they meant. Also, your grammar is not perfect either. It just seems kinda insensitive to command them to rewrite something just because you didn't understand.
Just ask nicely.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask nicely? On /r/Canada?
u kiddin' me. We're supposed to act like the worst part of the nation here. At least that's what my comment history shows. And I guess the mods approve it because nobody is ever banned for being a literal douchebag.
-Hallow- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I went a little too far by commenting as much as I did on this thread. I should've just left it with this one but got carried away.
TheInverseFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey dude. I'm a nice guy. I forgot /r/canada includes Quebec and Alberta (it's a joke, people)
/r/ottawa usually shows the worst part of our city too.
arnielax17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know what literal means. Surprising, given your incredible grasp of the English language and grammar. Asshole.
Fingfangfoo ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:13:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt he is going to get off scott free. He is probably going to go to jail for child molestation or something similar. The joy of our justice system is that both of them can go to jail for different stuff!
Nightchade ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, there is precedent in U.S. law to allow for moments of extreme distress... And if found some asshole on my kid, regardless of who it was, I think it would qualify... so she might get off pretty light. And if not, well, some things are worth prison.
thatvoicewasreal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jury can declare a null verdict, basically saying she's guilty of the letter of the law but in those circumstances the law isn't fair and they're overruling it, a power that US juries have. The thing is it's illegal for the defense to suggest that to them--someone in the jury has to know without being told because judges generally skip that bit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa for real?
mahasattva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely! Check out the Fully Informed Jury Association for everything you need to know.
These guys even stand in front of courthouses to hand pamphlets to the jurors arriving that outline the jury's power to vote 'not guilty' even if a written law was technically broken, but they don't believe it was a crime.
This is a crucial function of having a jury that is despairingly not well known. When prosecutors can't successfully convict anyone on a certain law, they'll be forced to revise or remove that law. The people have spoken!
Edit: This one short paragraph explains it best!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mahasattva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โBetter that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.โ
-Sir William Blackstone
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mahasattva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The answers to "who should decide" are as varied and plentiful as the answers to "what is lawful and what is forbidden". Where do you think that leaves us?
Sloppy1sts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are talking about the man, not the woman who stabbed him.
CatsupNotKetchup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, it really will depend on the order of events - the article says she shoved him outside and he kicked in the door and assaulted her and her daughter, both of whom had lacerations. So maybe he stabs him once in the back of the head, ok - I can totally see that as duress, or trying to protect her daughter. But I can also see several scenarios in which he could be at fault for attacking her as she tries to flee. There's not really enough detail to know, but I really hope the mother doesn't even get charged. I have two daughters, 5 and 3 years old, and I would have used a bigger knife (because that's what would have been handy, not because I would be trying).
kinglallak ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:34:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is... IF the man is convicted of statutory rape of her daughter, I would be perfectly fine if we said the woman acted in defense of herself or family and be perfectly fine if nothing happened to her other than she gets to keep raising and protecting her daughter.
Fingfangfoo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:36:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are absolutely right in this situation.
Sloppy1sts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only statutory?
Vercci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't statutory rape be considered worse than rape?
Sonicmansuperb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statutory refers to the fact that it is only considered that crime by statute of the person being ineligible to consent, rather than just the normal one, which is in reference to the crime being that no consent was provided.
Vercci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that for a bit when I first posted and was going to say something different the first time. All the definitions I could find mention forced penetration, and then add the victims age into the equation.
[edit] Although a second round of googling is bringing up more results from dictionary and other non-legal sources that mention "The key difference between statutory rape and rape is that the only deciding factor between legal sexual activity and statutory rape is age."
Seems people can't agree on what the problem is.
notabigmelvillecrowd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think in the states it would be called rape of a minor? I feel like that's a charge I've heard for these kind of cases.
Vercci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went through New York's rape laws where it seems they just shortcut the age into rape of the third, second, and first degree depending on how old the victim is.
Ohio had something similar but only one tier of rape it seems?
Sloppy1sts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a 25 year old fucks a 16 year old who wants it, it's not rape, but it is statutory rape because the 16 year old can't legally consent.
rabitshadow1 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except you dont know the situation in which she stabbed him
he clearly wasnt still on top of the daughter during the stabbing because all his wounds are to the chest
its not self defense if the dudes stopped and isnt attacking anymore
AkhilArtha ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he had a stab wound on the back of his head too which is pretty telling of how it all unfolded. She stabbed him in the back of his head, then he turned around then she stabbed him in the chest. They struggled too according to the article, seeing that the woman and the kid have lacerations on their wrists.
kinglallak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:41:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some selective reading there... Here is the entire quote from the article since you missed the ending the first time around.
"The 31-year-old man was stabbed five times in his chest and once in the back of his head"
I would guess that "back of the head" stab either came as the first or the last one... and if it was the first one, the guy might not have been "stopped and not attacking anymore"...
Sloppy1sts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody ever suggested the slightest possibility of him getting off.
"The guy said some shit like it might get him off scott free" doesn't mean any rational person would agree.
def_not_a_gril ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:54:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worked in family court - when I read the headline my first thought was "finally, what you're supposed to do when you see a man, no matter who he is, taking advantage of your children."
How many times I saw women blame their daughters for "enticing" the dad's, boyfriends, etc... even after the rape charges came down. The kid gets blamed for "breaking up the family."
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:26:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sebleh89 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually 100% agree with this. There will be more evidence to prove either side, but based on the article linked, it sounds like the guy is pretty guilty.
duhduhduhdiabeetus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need out of a legal hiatus? Better call Duhduhduhdiabeetus!
gunsof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After being accused of all that and being attacked for it, this basically makes it sound like he's bragging. "A 12 year old's crazy about me, what can you do."
BulletBilll ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like pedos are actively trying to run for creepiest creep to have crept award. Just reading that makes me want to blow chunks while stabbing him along with his ex.
ProbablyStuck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mother obviously missed the important bits of him. Shame.
Meownowwow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not just that, slimy manipulative talk. she thinks she may
NotAboutWords ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but she's twelve. She likes him, but she doesn't "like-like" him.
april9th ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The attitude quoted is utterly bizarre considering that regardless of the girl's intent the man knows it's illegal and he is committing a crime, that society does not feel she is in any way shape or form someone able to make these decisions.
Reminds me of reading that Anthony Weiner's lawyer is arguing that the 15yo he sexted wanted to affect the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. Like, even if we assume this is a 15yo with a very grand scope, it's still illegal? The onus is still on Weiner and he knows it? Utterly bizarre attempt by lawyers to muddy the waters of a clear cut issue.
Dead_Halloween ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have stabbed him with a spoon.
LoZfan03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, he survived to comment on the situation? He was definitely not stabbed enough then.
BenificusAngorio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh well it's all a misunderstanding, then. You raped a 12 year old bc she has feelings for you. Gosh, well that's a reasonable course of action. You know, I have a baby at home that has been making eyes at me. Gotta go!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were to guess, he knows hes fucked, and is saying that just to cause as much upset as he can.
NekoNegra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, he is still alive after getting stabbed.
Urban-Nomad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing that jerk isn't enough. He needs to be cut into pieces alive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did a dead body give police it's side of the story, or did she not stab very well
gmnitsua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the rationale of a true psychopath.
komali_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man this dude is fucked. Not that I'm justifying his behavior here, but I honestly think his only options are fleeing the country at the earliest opportunity, or suicide. He won't have a good time in prison as a child rapist, and when he gets out he'll be a felon and sex offender with pretty much no rights.
CanadianIdiot55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how he is still alive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The girl was practically asking, begging for it! If only you knew what she wore around the house."
closingtime13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna face punch this dude until he has no face.
z500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must not be too bright.
MelissaClick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's surely not admitting that he was found naked on top of her. Rather he's saying that that's why the girlfriend made up that lie. (I guess.)
coinpile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't think of any combination of words he could put together that would at all improve his situation.
MuttinChops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did it say that?
Sebleh89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I paraphrased what he said in the part of the article I quoted.
JustBreatheBelieve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he said that. He's a manipulative, narcissistic sociopath.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh he's alive?
maluminse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The boy backed up on to me...real case.
sheto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he is still alive?
cj1sock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolute piece of shit
Swimmingindiamonds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep forgetting how young 12 year old is. Mostly because my own sexual experience started so young and I didn't think anything of it... at 14 I had sex with this singer from rock band (who was huge in early 90s, most people here would know who he is) and at times I have to wonder if people would judge him harshly for it. Even though it was "consensual" of course.
akallyria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, yeah, he should be judged harshly - he should have gone to prison. How many kids do you suppose he used his star power on, to get them to do whatever he wanted? One is too many, but if he went from town to town for years, how many teens do you suppose he raped?
Swimmingindiamonds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well- I mean I would imagine well over 50% of rock stars would be guilty of statutory rape and should be in prison, in that case. Everyone from Elvis to David Bowie to Jimmy Page to members of Beatles, Stones, most bands in 70s when teenage groupiedom was especially in vogue... perhaps they should have been. I don't know. I can only speak for my experience and I have fond memories, so I would not want him in prison for that.
King_Rhymer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a sitcom, starring Ashton Kutcher, as the 12 year old girl and Charlie sheen as the drunk older rascal.
marnas86 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello..... statutory rape laws likely mean the girl couldn't legally consent.
Note: I don't know what the laws are in Ohio, but I hope they're reasonably aligned so that this guy gets charged with statutory rape.
Urgh.... why are straight men such psychos
Daxx22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck does that have to do with anything?
akallyria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, like there aren't straight women or gay men and lesbian child molesters? First off, rape isn't even about sex so much as it is power, and that kind of evil has nothing to do with sexual orientation or gender identity. It's all over the population.
Pianoangel420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:13:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Including the 12 year old child, apparently he wanted everyone to get him off free...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judge looks at text message conversations
Sir, it appears you are telling the truth, and that bitch just jealous. Case dismissed.
Defendant shakes the hand of his atty., courtroom crowd goes wild. Obama is there,
randomsubguy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to say we should wait for everything to come out. This screams he said she said.
Wedge09 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See I read that differently as in he was not found on her daughter but that he claims the Mom was just jealous her daughter had feelings for him so she stabbed him. I need to know more facts like was he actually naked on top of the daughter or is that the story the Mom is saying as an "excuse" not to get in trouble?
Because if he was on top yeah, she needed to stab and not stop stabbing. although that could be scarring to the daughter on top of the scarring from having her Mom's boyfriend on top of her at 12. I feel bad for this whole family.
carnivoreinyeg ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we don't actually know that he was found on top of the 12 year old.
TiagoTiagoT ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any evidence of that, or just her word?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But who found him?
The woman who fucking stabbed him. Can we really trust her word? Is there any evidence that this actually happened?
[deleted] ยท 1105 points ยท Posted at 14:55:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct me if im wrong, but raping your girlfriend is a faux pas right?
Edit It would appear that I was right, and that boyfriends should not in fact rape their girlfriends.
Edit 2 I apparently need to spell out that of course I know rape is fucking deplorable. This was an attempt to make that bf's statement sound even more ridiculous, and even though most of you got it, some didnt.
Emuuuuuuu ยท 436 points ยท Posted at 15:09:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely frowned upon in some cultures.
Rhawk187 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:24:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And not others.
Codile ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good old Saudi Arabia :/
FriendoftheDork ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:00:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't frowned upon in our culture, because not long ago it was considered technically impossible for a man to rape his wife. It's not rape if you have a "license to fuck at will"
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:27:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In bird culture it's considered a dick move
Emuuuuuuu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you
aedroogo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:36:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If not raping is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
Emuuuuuuu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:00:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy
Stackman32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Straight white male here. First I've heard of this.
Killer_Tomato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly ok in bird culture.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially ducks if i recall correctly
Vaadwaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And there are good people on both sides of the debate, folks. Good people.
pixelprophet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:26:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Bird culture, this is considered a dick move.
Emuuuuuuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you
eros_bittersweet ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 15:11:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Raping your girlfriend is a
faux pasone-way ticket to Dante's ninth circle of hell, right?"[deleted] ยท 297 points ยท Posted at 15:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"At the base of the well, Dante finds himself within a large frozen lake: Cocytus, the Ninth Circle of Hell. Trapped in the ice, each according to his guilt, are punished sinners guilty of treachery against those with whom they had special relationships"
via Wikipedia
pipsdontsqueak ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 15:34:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so that's the special hell.
dreamer7 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:52:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was hoping someone else here made a Firefly reference
eros_bittersweet ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:26:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dante knows how it is even before it was.
Maxiflex ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:36:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it definitely was back then, perhaps even more so.
Superhereaux ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:12:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Some don't think it be like it is but it do.
eros_bittersweet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was waiting for this comment to show up :). Hello, old friend.
Rumpel1408 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So next time a girl tells me that hell needs to freeze over I can tell her that the ninth circle of hell is a frozen lake
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:38:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll go out with you when hell freezes over"
"Yeah, about that..."
doctor_why ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:25:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one for betrayals? Yes, that would fit. He could also go to the first circle for the lustful or the third(?) for the violent/wrathful.
eros_bittersweet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the agent booking his ticket could arrange for a few long layovers in each of the appropriate circles, am I right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he will get free round trip tickets to those 3.
Forever.
Erilyon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:32:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the same one than for people who people who talk at the theater ?
eros_bittersweet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if there is a God in heaven, let this be true.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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eros_bittersweet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think if it were, it would have made the idea of marital rape comprehensible centuries sooner. ):
50pointdownvote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It in there with not stealing.
Rhawk187 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe? That's "betrayal", right? So I suppose this could qualify since you are in a position of trust. Run of the mill lust-based sin is only the Second Circle, presumably because it's so common.
ManicLord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, the ninth circle was the one for treachery. Why would they be in the ninth and not the seventh (violence) or fifth(anger) or even the second (Lust)?
eros_bittersweet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:34:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If raping a loved one isn't treachery, I don't know what is.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:24:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id guess the 9th is the right one, but I can see the confusion. Its lust, violence and treachery.
Id figure you just go to the worst one.
pedropants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as they're in a circle of hell, I wouldn't really care which.
algag ยท 393 points ยท Posted at 15:08:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends if you subscribe to /r/theredpill or not. /s
Spiderhats4sale ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 15:19:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to burn the last bit of your faith in humanity ask Incels what it thinks.
smartfishy ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 15:27:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yo.. I can't be on that sub for more than 5 minutes at a time.
Iorith ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:32:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you still have a soul.
smartfishy ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:41:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to feel sorry for them at first, but their coping methods/mentality is just... I don't know. But unfortunately I wouldn't be shocked if any of them raped someone.
Iorith ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:45:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a part of me that feels bad for them and wants life to get better, but I know that they're actively keeping themselves where they're at, and nothing can be done until that changes. They'll get my sympathy when they make an effort.
Sovereign_Curtis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:45:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. It's that "involuntary" part of their self-chosen moniker. So long as you consider yourself a victim of your circumstance you are powerless to change.
Ryswick ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:38:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's dumb when you find kids on that sub, like a '15 year-old incel'.
Bruh, that's called being a virgin.
ActionScripter9109 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. So many people don't get laid until college or later. A 15-year-old on that sub is just preemptively defeating himself.
Ryswick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's self-defeating. That sub is full of so much women hate, from how they're genetically inferior, to how their emotions make them incoherent. If you guys hate women so much, why do you label yourself as someone whose sole defining trait is the inability to get affection from one?
Sovereign_Curtis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is if they went gay they'd fare no better. People who play the victim and don't seek to improve them self are unattractive FULL STOP.
Ryswick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trying out being gay is something that's not uncommon over there. You'll find threads of incels tired of being ignored by women so they try being wtih a dude for once.
Tis a dark place.
Iorith ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Applies to a lot of personal issues and why I don't think it's healthy to label yourself by your problems. Can't fix what you think is unfixable.
Sovereign_Curtis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen. Imo the "wholesome" movement on Reddit is in part a response to all the self-vicitimization subs (and boy are there a lot of them).
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "wholesome" thing is broader than just Reddit but that could be part of it. My theory is that it's more of a reaction to the fact that internet culture has kind of reached the bottom of irony, edginess and nihilism and the only way to do something that feels fresh now is to go in the opposite direction. The ultimate irony is sincerity at this point.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:30:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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EvanHarpell ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they deserve that dark hole.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe but most people would still like to help them out of it and those around them don't deserve the behavior that is born from it.
smartfishy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:48:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, nothing you say is good enough and they always know the answer. I understand if they've had one too many unfortunate encounters with people or women, but hating everyone won't get you far at all or make you feel any better. They continue to poison themselves with that coping mechanism. I find it funny that they cry that it's not about sex, but having someone want/love them.. but as soon as a female on that sub gives advice because she wants to help they screech: "iF yOu rEaLlY wAnNa HelP, FuCk An InCeL oR GtFo!" ... of course nobody will dare give you a chance with that disgusting arrange of mental gymnastics. If you're unfortunately unattractive, which they claim is such a death sentence, at least learn how to socialize, for fucks sake.
fluffbudget ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:38:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't figure out what they actually want. At this point I think they just want to be sad.
IgnisDomini ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:13:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They want women to have sex with them but not have to actually do literally anything to get them to do so.
fluffbudget ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also devote so much time to talking about how all women are gross used-up whores ("roasties")... it makes me think they don't even want to have sex.
IgnisDomini ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:20:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They want to have sex with virgins without having to actually do literally anything.
Testiculese ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:59:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They want government assigned virgins. It's a bit of a laugh.
IgnisDomini ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:11:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a joke. They literally post about how the government should provision them with virgins to have sex with and the fact that it doesn't is a violation of their human rights.
Testiculese ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! Saw that my first visit to that place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may be expecting too much of them, but do they have any sort of weird reason or fucked-up logic behind this ridiculous expectation?
IgnisDomini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They think access to pussy is a fundamental right.
Mrrrp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we should counteroffer with assisted euthanasia for any who come to find their involuntary celibacy intolerably burdensome.
smartfishy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they do, that right there is just cope.
fluffbudget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a toxic concept that is. I know this is an unpopular opinion but this is why I don't think online support groups for depression should exist. You need a moderator or else it just turns into everybody reinforcing each others' disordered thoughts. Crab mentality. My mental health got waaaaaayyy better once I stopped visiting online spaces for mental illness discussion.
smartfishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do have mods, but they are the same kind of people in the same boat. If you go to their sub and look at the rules, you'll see how they think and what they censor as mods. I just saw an old post earlier about one of its users complaining about the sub being "cucked" because the mods removed his comment saying he wanted to rape another person (I guess a person who commented). He claimed he was just expressing his feelings. In this specific situation, I agree with you, because they do not support each other at all in that community.. they just hand out unhealthy ways to cope and remind each other, daily, of the things they hate about themselves. It's a pity party in there.. and they claim it's some kind of sanctuary for themselves, but I think they hurt each other more than anyone else.
fluffbudget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I was unclear. I meant "moderator" in the traditional sense, as in a moderating element. Not a person who enforces rules on the internet.
kirkum2020 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:36:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incels are just more honest TRPers.
IgnisDomini ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 16:12:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It goes Nice GuyTM -> Red Piller -> MGTOW -> Incel
First they think being nice to girls means they'll get sex. Now, that's not to demean actual nice guys, but these ones are only nice because they think it'll get them sex.
Then, they realize that's not working, but instead of realizing it's the insincerity (and, most likely, lack of interesting personality traits), they decide it's being nice that's keeping them from getting laid.
So then they head to TRP and try being mean instead. Of course, you can only get away with being a douchebag if you're attractive and interesting, and they're neither, so that doesn't work either.
So then they decide they just can't get sex because women are EEEEVIL and decide to "give up sex and dating" (not like they were doing that in the first place, but it allows them to pretend it's because of their own choice and not because they're pathetic failures).
Eventually, they can't bear the delusion anymore, and stop pretending the reason they're not having sex is because they've chosen not to, and become Incels - all the bitterness and entitlement of all the previous stages with none of the hope.
HeroOfTheWastes ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:24:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is so good it deserves to be in an encyclopedia on misogyny somewhere.
IgnisDomini ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:31:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just assembled from other people's observations linking one step to another (e.g. observing redpillers are Nice GuyTMs who gave up on being nice), so I would assume that some place like the Geek Feminism Wiki has at least the individual transitions documented if not the full process.
AFatBlackMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:47:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is MGTOW? I know about the other 3 well enough
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:14:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Men Going Their Own Way" it's kind of a gender separatist movement where they want to just escape women all together in their day to day lives. Here's something interesting if you want to fall through the looking glass; /r/wgtow is something that now exists too.
AFatBlackMan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:10:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow haha, I thought it had to do with Magic The Gathering
avacado_of_the_devil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't wrong
Eniac__ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe youve done this
eros_bittersweet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So well said. The underlying foundation of the mentality is summed up as, 'men are people, and women only exist to sexually please men. '
Divine2012 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I value what's left of my sanity.
lifesbrink ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you want to kill your hope for both genders, visit r/wgtow
ginger_whiskers ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:22:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big difference. At least the redpill guys acknowledge their faults and go try to fix their fuckups.
Spiderhats4sale ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:24:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
about that...
ginger_whiskers ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please extrapolate. While redpill guys are weird, I seemed to see a focus on fixing one's shit. I. e., working out and improving job prospects. Basically being better as a man. Whereas Incels are super creepy and think they deserve BJs daily. There's a difference, in my mind. Feel free to convince me I'm wrong.
Tripplebrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/hapas is just as bad, just less known. I love those subs, I feed off their misery
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 15:25:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:43:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from the date rape how-to with 200+ points:
and according to them,
after all,
In case this wasn't clear, they also believe
You have to keep in mind, that they are trying to redefine rape. That same post also says,
and,
So even when they are saying they do not condone rape, they are also redefining rape so that not all rape counts and positioning the original definition as an attempt by women to reframe it.
These were all upvoted and I'm not providing direct links simply because the automod tends to remove comments with a lot of links to other subs here.
Wyvern39 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:18:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That actually makes me sick. How deluded do you need to be to believe any of that crap.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:13:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:17:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the implication yes. There's not much of a concept of "morality" when it comes to the treatment of women on that sub.
magnitude-of-light ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I reading too much into if I interpret this as, "If you are a man, and you don't want to beat up, rape, rob and kill that random woman you see right now, you're lying to yourself."
What
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that he says "only reason" and sees not doing so as a form of "playing along" does imply that there is an underlying desire which is just being held back by social norms. I don't think that your interpretation is off base.
Rosenblattca ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:34:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, one of their techniques is that women say "no" a lot before they say "yes." They say that we, as women, are conditioned to say no and to test men, and they just need to keep going because eventually we'll say yes. In the real world, that's called coercion and is most definitely rape.
Also, the fact that they are extraordinary manipulative and mentally abusive in maintaining a power dynamic that makes their partners feel like they have no control certainly leads to rape within that relationship, as well. The way I see it, the men that follow this ideology are just as bad (if not worse) than actual rapists. This is coming from a woman who has survived numerous sexual assaults and an actual rape.
RasputinsButtBeard ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:49:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the person you originally asked, but I decided to dig around to see what I could find. I hope you appreciate this, because I need a shower now.
I did come across a lot of stuff explicitly supporting rape, but I will grant that they do downvote those comments pretty consistently... Though they do seem to be fine with it so long as it's presented in a more indirect manner. Mostly stuff about how women just can't control themselves, or all really do just want cock deep, deep down in their hearts. Garbage about how no woman can resist a man "alpha" enough, even if she might try to pretend otherwise. Again, I need a shower.
A. The term "rape" is a weapon against men. Oh, and nobody ever asks for consent. I must've been imagining all the times I asked my girlfriend "Hey, is it cool if I try this?", "How is this?", or asking if she wants to stop if she's seeming like she isn't enjoying something. And then all the times she asked me the same stuff. Nope! You just gotta jam ya dick in and hope she doesn't try and ruin your life like evil, evil women are so prone to do.
That whole comment chain is worth a look-through, honestly. Women aren't actually upset over being raped, they're upset that they want to be fucked and they can't help it. Also women are inferior, you guys! A direct quote being
I'm gonna be violently ill, here.
B. No woman can resist a man sufficiently "alpha". Women need to be controlled by men and by outside forces, otherwise they'll.. Fuck up the fabric of society, I guess?
C. Women like being raped, they only get upset about it if the man is unattractive.
D. Any woman will be a slut for you if you make her one. Nope, not rapey at all.
And here's some general grossness that isn't super rapey, but does a good job demonstrating what kind of place TRP is:
Women are tearing apart the fabric of society. Also racism.
And this... Thing.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AFatBlackMan ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:13:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On your last point, I would argue that stuff like this:
clearly pushes the boundaries of consent, and I'd argue that intentionally getting someone drunker than you to lower their inhibitions looks like a textbook setup to rape
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AFatBlackMan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:35:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that commenter has done anything, but intentionally giving a person drinks with the goal of setting up a sexual encounter is clearly different than an office party. When I was an undergrad our university had to ban all alcohol from the events of a specific fraternity because of a series of sexual assaults set up in the same way.
A_Year_Of_Storms ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:33:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then we'd have to go to TRP and then we'd feel icky.
StandForSpeech ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 15:55:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
edit: Not sure why I'm so heavily downvoted for my statement.
TBH I've been there a few times for confidence building posts.
While I may disagree with some of their stances on things, you will absolutely find some guys that are extremely confident in themselves there, really helped me a lot.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't very confident if they have to resort to deluding themselves into thinking things like this: http://no-maam.blogspot.fr/2012/06/woman-most-responsible-teenager-in.html?m=1 (from their side-bar as introductory reading)
StandForSpeech ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree.
The subreddit isn't a monolith. I assume. The specific post I found that helped me build confidence had nothing to do with stuff like what you linked.
Just because you say "they can't be very confident if the subreddit mod links to something in the sidebar" doesn't actually mean that what you say is true.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are core beliefs for that community, I say this on that basis. While no sub is a monolith it is not possible to define red pill ideology without their belief in the inferiority of women. What was the post that helped you build confidence?
StandForSpeech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5zaw3r/how_to_build_lasting_confidence_and_change_your/
I did say I disagree with some of their stances on things.
And just because a large portion of a community believes in something doesn't mean the entire community believes in that thing as well.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That post is fine, I agree. However, it is an exception and not specifically related to the ideology; similar advice could have been found from general self-help books. I don't think it reflects a level of confidence from their general user base when posts like that are so much rarer than posts like these: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/search?q=awalt&restrict_sr=on
As for why you are being downvoted, your post could push vulnerable guys lacking confidence to a place full of cultish behavior and works as positive PR for a community founded on delusions. You had the mental fortitude to reject the actual basis for TRP but the community is made up of guys who lacked that ability. If you had been explicit in tearing down the core tenants of the sub, I would have upvoted rather than downvoted your initial post.
AFatBlackMan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:19:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably thinking of /r/incels if I had to guess. TRP are psychos too, but it's more emotionally abusive rather than physically
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AFatBlackMan ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:28:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to go down the rabbit hole, search rape on /r/incels and you'll see shit like:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5sub17/reminder_rape_means_sex_with_an_unattractive_man
https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5qlxtm/if_a_woman_wants_to_reject_a_man_thats_her_choice
https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5upnws/being_incel_is_worse_than_getting_raped
https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/6gbawz/rape_and_inceldom_are_both_bad_in_the_same_way
https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5fxywq/rape
https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5giejg/from_a_philosophical_and_evolutionary_perspective
EDIT: because I didn't want to leave our TRP buddies out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2bowat/women_want_to_be_raped_by_a_high_value_man
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1vzady/how_women_train_men_to_rape
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5jgi2x/all_women_lie_about_rape_part_two
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AFatBlackMan ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:18:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a comment from that same thread with almost as many upvotes as the thread itself:
That's literally rape
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AFatBlackMan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get most people on TRP or reddit in general aren't like the extreme opinions you see upvoted sometimes, but I'd argue at the very least that comments like that being upvoted and discussed instead of immediately deleted/banned indicates a problem at some level in that community.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey, what's that post titled again?
algag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually think they (on the aggregate) support rape. It was just a caricature, why I tried to emphasize with the "/s".
MMZephyr ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:39:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not pro-rape, but they think that rape happens a lot less than other people think. For example, they reject the idea that you can call a sexual encounter rape months after it happens (if you consented at that time). They also think that there are a lot more false rape accusations than most people believe.
EDIT: I forgot, redpill is generally more loose about consent. Like, they think you don't need an explicit "yes", body language suffices as long as the person doesn't actually say "no".
Unacceptable_Lemons ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh...........
Maybe you've just worded your point unclearly. By definition, consensual sex is not rape. Deciding months later that you want to retroactively revoke consent and call consensual sex rape is insane.
Obviously, per that definition, that does require that it was actually consensual (legally speaking) to begin with. i.e. not statutory or drugged or something like that, and then pressured afterwards into going along with the idea that it was consensual.
MMZephyr ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that's insane, but some people have said they "realized it was rape months later". When they admit to saying yes at the time.
boyproblems_mp3 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:35:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People say a lot of things that don't make sense. Using a very small minorities words and blowing them out of proportion to prove a fucked up point is dangerous territory.
MMZephyr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand what you're getting atโthere's no fucked up point. Their point is simply that those people who say things that don't make sense are incorrect.
If you're talking about some of the ridiculous beliefs that redpill members have, do realize that this particular topic does little to hold up the rest of their belief system.
boyproblems_mp3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They use false rape accusations to prove there is an anti-male agenda. I absolutely agree that false rape accusations are disgusting and should be punished but it only furthers the hate redpillers/incels/etc blindly have for women to talk about it like women are constantly revoking previous consent. I see way more men (ones not even in the mra circle) on the internet talking about this "female privilege" than I have ever seen women discussing how they decided they actually didn't give consent in a previous sexual encounter. I've actually never heard any women in real life say this or anything like it, including looking at a woman being rape and things like that. I'm a fairly liberal woman and I honestly don't think this thought exists outside of the tumblrsphere, which of course doesn't represent the real world.
MMZephyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, well I think we're actually in agreement lol. Remember, I was simply answering the dude's questions about redpill beliefs, not standing up for them.
boyproblems_mp3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bad! I'm one of those ~rabid feminists~ who just can't help myself haha. Have a good day!
MMZephyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty conservative myself but I respect you anyway
FCCCaffeineQueen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:21:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should have been married. Rape laws (used to) say that it isn't rape if it is your wife.
Lemopi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:33:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's... fucking scary.
allaboutcharlemagne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, a lot of countries still have that kind of law, so... it's just not all that surprising.
saucywaucy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the big ones.
kovyvok ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends which country you live in.
MikeNew513 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raping your gf is rape.
butterfeddumptruck ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:11:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'faux pas'? That's what you'd call it?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:17:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didnt get the hint that I was intentionally downplaying it to make the boyfriends comment even more absurd?
butterfeddumptruck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I couldn't interpret your tone out of 14 words. You did request to be corrected if you were wrong.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just figured with how absurd the request for correction if rape was actually bad would have done it.
butterfeddumptruck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was absurd, that's why I felt I had to interject. I'm sorry i was too obtuse to get it. But luckily almost 1000 other people are more perceptive than I! :-)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No harm done
Perpetuell ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:27:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
u PC or not brah?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ya man, im PC UCLA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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loaferuk123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We definitely have a winner here for understatement of the week!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently I need to add an addendum that I was intentionally downplaying my question to make the bf's statement more ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 1398 points ยท Posted at 15:01:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kotetsuya ยท 1293 points ยท Posted at 15:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And was then acquitted of all charges related to the man's death. Pretty damn satisfying end.
freefoodd ยท 647 points ยท Posted at 15:49:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar happened to my coworker this week. His 13 y/o daughter tells him her moms bf was creeping on when she was sleeping. He confronts the mom and asks her about it and she denies it. Then daughter walks in and says she told her. My coworker was the last to find out. His whole family pretty much knew and he had to hear it from his daughter. He beat the shit out of the guy and got arrested for it. They didn't press charges.
[deleted] ยท 235 points ยท Posted at 16:30:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me he got full custody after that
fugged_up_shib ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 16:46:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it just happened this week so i dunno how quick these things move but he fuckin better. hell actually should be an emergency order of protection against the mom and of course her boyfriend
edit: i'm not involved in this situation nor do I know the people, I was just saying "it happened this week" becuase u/freefoodd said it was this week
twopointsisatrend ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:14:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this perverse world I wouldn't be surprised if the ex-wife's lawyer wouldn't argue that the ex-husband isn't suitable for even joint custody because of his violent tendencies.
fugged_up_shib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus you're probably right.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude please keep us updated.
GarageSideDoor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this in the news?
guardianrule ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:50:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I am against single moms getting sole custody. The single biggest factor for increased chance if sexual abuse is an unrelated adult male in the household.
aihley ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:04:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Think about that stance a little more.
I can think of a whole damn lot more steps to preventing child abuse across the board that are more realistic and less shitty than throwing all women who divorce under the bus for statistical reasons. But maybe that's cuz [anecdote removed].
I'm not anti-BDSM, but kids hearing and seeing violence ON a person's body that daddy says he loves? A little fucked up there.
Also some people do have it written into divorce orders that casual partners or even non spouses can't even meet the kids.
Baba_Gucci ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:10:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extreme majority of those in BDSm relationships would be horrified and completely against what that is
aihley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I'm aware. While not in the community, I know those who are and are healthy. Just wanted to be sure I didn't come across as bdsm=bad.
I didn't mean to make it sound like that is what bdsm really is.
Jaredismyname ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:22 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone into bdsm that has young kids should make absolutely certain the child is staying with someone else or is not able to see or hear in the slightest what is going on in private.
aihley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately a wealthy, smooth-talking white man gets to do whatever he wants and people give him the benefit of the doubt and believe his lies without verifying the truth.
agent_flounder ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there is a bias toward moms does that really make sense? I have known of some seriously shitty moms. Although in those cases, the dad's got custody, so...
changerofbits ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By that same logic, you should be against men having any access to children at all. Not to mention that your stance also puts the blame on the mother and not the man who is actually doing the molesting.
Baba_Gucci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im against rapacious and abusive men. Thats my stance. A good start would not be electing them to the highest office in the nation.
freefoodd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:12 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than it being so recent I wouldn't expect him to get custody. He has 6+ kids from 6+ moms and i dont think any of them live with him. The police must know after he got arrested and told the story, but I'm really not sure how thats going to work. He is from the hood and things just work differently there.
[deleted] ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 16:20:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man that.. that just just sucks.
zeonchar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also she straight up lied to his face.
moonshiver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brave girl
newloaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem with beating the guy is when do you stop? Anything short of finishing him isn't enough, but if you do that your daughter could grow up without you...
Garizondyly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wayyy too many nondescriptive pronouns
Vandechoz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and one missing one, which just makes it worse
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:36 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep us updated
Oreo_Scoreo ยท 327 points ยท Posted at 15:51:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc one of the statements a cop made about the guy beat to death was "I don't see anything wrong with what that man did. Not as an officer and not as a father." Which was basically just a massive "I would have beat him to death too."
Edit: a .
TheLurkingMenace ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Stopped just short of outright encouraging vigilanteism.
zeonchar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:15:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a great move with Matthew McConaughey movie with the same premise. I think it was called, "A Time to Kill."
mahermiac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:16:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's based on John Grisham's first (and maybe his best) novel.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:36:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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antabr ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me start by saying I am absolutely not defending sexual ofenders.
That line of reasoning terrifies me. If someone has a mental disorder and they take action that is illegal and atrocious like the man in this article, legal action HAS to be taken. That being said, if someone has a mental disorder that leads them to feel one way or another, and they struggle against that mental disorder, having to avoid therapy because therapists are allowed to report that to the police, and never takes action, I don't believe we should kill that person. Whether or not the committing of the crime deserves the death penalty is beyond me, but being born a certain way should never be enough to be killed.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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antabr ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:20:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason this terrifies me is because the question of "where do we draw the line" comes to mind. Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, manic episodes are a few disorders I can think of that make a person a threat to others and I'm not a psychologist to give an exhaustive list. While the article is obviously referring to a very serious and insane threat, I don't believe there is a clear dividing line between mental disorders
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:27:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very easy to draw the line. People with those disorders you mentioned more often than not do not pose a threat to others. And usually never with intent.
When you have intent to harm like pedophiles, serial killers, terrorists do, it's time to put them down like animals.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:44:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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possibly_being_screw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:01:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And along these lines, at what age would the person above decide is appropriate to "put them down"? Once they're 18? But an 18 year old who likes a 16 year old isn't that weird. Once they're 21? Even then, liking a 17 year old at 21 isn't that strange. Like at what point would they consider someone an uncontrollable threat to children?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i would have no problem doing so if they acted on it multiple times. They are a threat to society. For fucks sake you guys are sensitive.
antabr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:58 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't ask about a person who acted on it multiple times, which is the foundation of the point. Are you okay with killing someone who has never committed a crime but is biologically disposed one way or another. The deleted posts I replied to very much implied that, yes, we would kill them.
When1nRome ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:17:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The words intent and mental disorders dont belong in the same sentence
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure dude. Let me know when you cure a rapist or murderer.
When1nRome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:55:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im a sex offender and i never raped or murdered anyone
Oreo_Scoreo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would just go to putting them in their own little place. But I mean if it's proven beyond any doubt and I mean proven proven like Brock Turner proven, yeah just solve that mess easily.
When1nRome ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:15:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um im a sex offender? And i live a normal life and even served my country, im not worthless human being
seedlio ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:18:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you got caught having sex in a car with another concenting adult and that's why you got labeled a sex offender that's one thing and that sucks, but if you raped someone well you're a worthless piece of shit and at the very least should be in prison for life. Also serving your country doesn't make you a hero or any better than anyone else. It's a fucking job you chose to do.
squeel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rapists are bad and you should feel bad. And that's not saying a lot; quite a few bad people end up in the military.
When1nRome ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should feel bad? Explain why i should feel bad
magnumbi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine how horrible it must be for him though. He has to deal with 1) that his daughter was sexually assaulted 2) he killed another human 3) the resulting trial and stress from that. I mean, he did the right thing but no one comes out a winner from that experience.
Not saying you were indicating otherwise, just wanted to add that bit in.
Kotetsuya ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:19:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true. There weren't any winners in this situation, but it at least was not made all the more worse by taking the girl's Father away from her so soon after such a traumatic experience.
MelissaClick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure #2 would be somewhat comforting in the face of #1. Not something that he has to "deal with."
(If you didn't kill the guy when you had the chance, you'd have to deal with that.)
Au_Struck_Geologist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:39:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the kind of situation where if they do press charges, you want a grand jury to come together as reasonable citizens and say: "yes he broke the law, but we're glad he did. Drop everything."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i like to imagine the court case went with minimal words, like the judge didn't even say a word.
like, the judge just nodded at the hero, and slammed his judging hammer, followed by a cheering court room and a parade.
Oreo_Scoreo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc one of the statements a cop made about the guy beat to death was "I don't see anything wrong with what that man did. Not as an officer and not as a father." Which was basically just a massive "I would have beat him.to death too."
Oreo_Scoreo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc one of the statements a cop made about the guy beat to death was "I don't see anything wrong with what that man did. Not as an officer and not as a father." Which was basically just a massive "I would have beat him.to death too."
XXTwnz ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:30:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't have ever been charged or put on trial in the first place.
Inevitablename ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:36:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Texas guy only under went a grand jury deciding whether or not to indict. I don't think he under went trial. The grand jury pretty decisively was like, nahhhhh.
It was really sad though because the dad himself was sad he had killed a person. Seemed like a nice person.
SemicolonTrolling ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody died; they have to bring some form of charges; that's just how the court system works; our peers determine guilt.
happy_K ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. And I believe the jury actually has the power to say, essentially, yes we think this guy did it, and we're going to call him not guilty anyway. I don't remember what this is called but they're 100% allowed to do that.
President_Cow ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury nullification
doolbro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard you weren't supposed to mention that you knew about Jury Nuls to the Lawyers?
happy_K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
johneaston1 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:36:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely. It is good that charges were brought and it is good that the guy didn't get convicted of anything; you cannot let these sorts of things go completely ignored but at the same time no jury would convict in a case like this.
SemicolonTrolling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not; they shouldn't anyways; for any system to work we need to use it to validate the laws; if you operate outside the system you open the door to corruption.
PurpleHooloovoo ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:43:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he should have. This is an example of the system working. What if the guy was lying and made up the assault as a cover? What if the two were dating and the dad was upset but it was consensual (not in this case, but it happens)? He went to trial, no evidence suggested anything other than the rapist deserved every blow the guy dealt, guy was aquitted, the world is down one piece of scum.
But innocent until proven guilty is a bastion of the system and required to sort out all the details.
Danjiano ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:04:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Just because someone is put on trial doesn't mean they're guilty.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:51:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PurpleHooloovoo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:59:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I said, not in this case.
But an 18 year old and her dad's friend, dad catches them and gets mad, then claims assault. That's the point - trial and conviction or aquittal get those details out and make sure the best judgement can be made.
SEX-MACHINE1987 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shit just makes me wanna print out the fuckin sex offender list and start whacking them at night for FUN.
molotovzav ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:27:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some are on their just for peeing in public though :[
JeepNaked ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Know a guy who was peeing in the enclosure, around a trash can, behind a bar, in the dark. Now he can't live near a school. And, is on a list.
MelissaClick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you never mention the 12-year-old girl he was peeing on. What about her.
RevCannonFodder ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They all say that.
SEX-MACHINE1987 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad for them...
WarhawkAlpha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Virgin Vandetta
brathor ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:52:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there should always be a trial when someone kills someone. Even when justified, it's important to show why, and to have a jury agree with the decision.
Killing should never be taken as a light or casual thing, and people should not feel empowered to take justice into their own hands except in cases of imminent threat.
superkp ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:02:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also why there is a really important distinction between "homicide" and "murder". Murder is a specific form of homicide.
Homicide is the death of a human at the hands of another human. Technically, a botched surgery - even with low chances of survival - is homicide.
Murder is an unjustified and therefore illegal homicide.
Executioners are in their legal rights to kill, so they homicide without committing murder. A jury refusing to indict someone is basically saying "this was clearly justified, and isn't anywhere near murder, even though it is homicide"
Daneth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, so if a surgeon botches a surgery on a member of the royal family, is it regicide? Are there laws against regicide that makes it automatically treasonous?
QuinticSpline ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Treasonous negligent regicide" rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it?
superkp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and to me, sounds quite british.
But I'm an uncouth american, so whatever.
molotovzav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is where consent comes into play. Most of the time if you are undergoing a high risk surgery, or hell even a low risk one, the doctor goes over paperwork with you, detailing risks, and has you sign a form that states you understand these risks.
Now if the doctor/surgeon is negligent (med malpractice is always negligence) that is different, but if the surgeon does his job perfectly, and you just die due to complications of the surgery, he's not going to be held accountable for a murder.
That's how it works with normal people, and outside some awful monarchy that isn't modern, that's how it works with royalty, because they are normal people, propped to figurehead status.
EvanHarpell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically it would be. But that's why you have to sign you life away at hospitals especially if they are about to take on a risky procedure.
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah basically, but as the others have said, legal protections exist for those circumstances.
stellaluna92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also so that there isn't ever even a sliver of doubt in the minds of people in the community that whoever did kill someone is no threat to anyone else, or even seen as a bad person.
Storrytime ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:56:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he absolutely should have. He also should have won the trial like he did.
That's what trials are for. Determining guilt.
Inevitablename ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did not win trial, he was never indicted. That's fair enough. No need for him to be indicted.
RIPelliott ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:57:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you seriously suggesting that someone walks up to the police, says he killed a guy who assaulted his daughter, and theyre supposed to pat him on the back and let him just walk away? thank god you arent in charge of our laws......i hope
justeversocurious ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:35:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he should have. Murder is murder. But then again the sick fuck deserved it and in the end all things worked out.
chainer3000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:56:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to. Innocent until proven guilty applies to the other guy as well. This is why we have a court system - and it worked the way it was intended to
badmother ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the benefit of the Jury system. Were it not for that, he has no legal defense. However, a jury can decide as it thinks, regardless of what the law dictates.
Puskathesecond ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not satisfying. The father had to kill a man, which will be with him forever. The kid might blame himself for "making" his father kill another person. Shit like this doesn't get wrapped up with a nice little bow. I'd assume both the kid and the dad are gonna carry a pretty big weight for the rest of their lives
Kotetsuya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to what could have happened had the father been convicted, this is about as satisfying an end to the situation as could be expected.
Puskathesecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it could've been worse, so what? This is a terrible tragedy. Nothing "damn satisfying" about it
Kotetsuya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To each there own. Victim and Father got justice. Child Molester ended up in a body bag.
Does the fact that the situation happened at all suck? Of course. Did the eventual conclusion of this event end in the best possible scenario considering the circumstances? In my opinion, yes.
truemeliorist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a dad of a newborn daughter, this made me smile.
CaughtInDireWood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of "A Time to Kill" by John Grisham. One of my all-time favorite books.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty disturbing, I think.
conspiracy_edgelord ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If ignore was a police officer though Reddit would be bitching about the suspect being 'executed.'
President_Cow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like people sworn to uphold the law are held to a higher standard. Weird eh?
iongantas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:03:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a travesty of justice. How do you know he found the guy molesting his child? He might have just made that up as part of a plan to kill him for something entirely different. Assuming his victim's guilt is just being a patsy.
Kotetsuya ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:11:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably, DNA evidence, testimony from the child, injuries to the child, potential criminal history of the perpetrator, all corroborated the fathers story. If there was any suspicion that the story didn't add up I highly doubt he'd have been acquitted so easily. It almost sounds like you're trying to victim shame here.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that satisfying? It shouldn't be a death sentence.
SuggestiveDetective ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who hurts helpless things for fun is a danger at all times to every living thing around them.
Kotetsuya ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll agree to disagree.
dzrtguy ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 15:16:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea this was in Texas? He got away with it. Best of luck finding a jury of peers in a case like this one.
[deleted] ยท 317 points ยท Posted at 15:20:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know that I'd word it as "he got away with it". He was found not guilty given the circumstances.
ManicLord ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 15:23:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he didn't beat him to death, only "almost to death," called emergency right after and tried to keep him alive.
Edit: He did try to keep him alive, but the dude died before emergency services got there.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:24:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I thought the guy died.
Edit: Are we not talking about the same case?
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/06/11/he-got-what-he-deserved-texas-dad-beats-his-daughters-molester-to-death/
ManicLord ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:31:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He died before the emergency service got there.
And I'm fairly sure it's the same one. Same description of events.
beartato327 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:36:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would of died in prison anyways, they murder child rapists in their even murderous inmates have that moral not to fuck with children
TheSyllogism ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:11:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I'm not sure it's morals. Seems like it could just be a system of "oh look, I can't be THAT bad a guy because I didn't do this thing that is seen as really horrendous by society".
Everybody's got reasons and everybody thinks they're in the right, at least somewhat.
Meanwhile they have 13 counts of murder and cannibalism, but at least they killed adults so they can feel good about themselves.
just_an_anarchist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people in prison aren't there for 13 counts of murder and cannibalism mate. In fact of the US prison pop. drug charges make up almost half, weapons and arson charges 17%,immigration 8%, extortion/fraud 6-7%. Murders, assaults, and kidnapping make up only 3%, and sex offenses 9%.
edit: source: https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp
TheSyllogism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was speaking in hyperbole.
CTeam19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't re.ember what I watching but the documentary talked about the whole hierarchy in the prison system for the prisoners and how people who fuck kids are at the bottom.
beartato327 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I don't recall where I have heard that or learned it from, but I also knew that child molest and the sort are either everyone's bitch or don't live much longer in this world once they are in there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but wishing for prison murder/rape is definitely not OK.
beartato327 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you get wishing, I was generalizing something that has been notably true of the prison system
freakergian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:25:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish he did
W-T-Sherman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't, jail is awful, especially for people like him... Life isn't always a better option
freakergian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But imprisonment always gives the small, miniscule chance of escape. No-one can escape being dead
ki113r116 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet
zanotam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever heard the tale of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
freakergian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, but people can escape prisons
WriterV ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds more like vengeance lol. The whole point of justice is to punish and perhaps rehabilitate if possible.
I'm not saying let's get all lovey dovey and let him off. Just that it looks like you just want to satisfy your bloodlust, and just using justice as an excuse.
AnonWinz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:46:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a father, bloodlust in that situation is more important than justice and "rehab" for someone willing and able to molest/rape a small child.
ermpera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a tricky thing, because I can totally empathize with desire for vengeance to the point where I'm not going to speak against it. But at the same time I can't think of a single possible upside to enabling it, just plenty of downsides..
blackxxwolf3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
positive is the child molester isnt on this earth anymore and cant go molest children again.
ermpera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I obviously don't mean vengeance has no downsides relative to just letting him wander off freely. I was speaking in the general sense, because you can't codify into law "only when you're absolutely 100% sure it's justified here guys, never abuse it okay". So I'm not going to have any sympathy for somebody who does something terrible and gets fucked up, but at the same time I'm against vigilante justice in general, because most of the time it doesn't get it right.
In the same way that being pro-free speech doesn't mean you're pro-nazi rallies, get it?
blackxxwolf3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can very easily justify it. we do it every so often in courts. its on a case by case basis. its not always right, but jurys tend to have a soft spot when dads kill child molesters. vigilante justice is bad, we both agree on that. but same as most people, im not going to convict a man for carrying out the trash after finding someone raping his child.
freakergian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying, thar man deserved to have his brains splattered on a goddamned pavement, I think the Texan would be justified in killing that guy
mrducky78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may think it, but the law will judge appropriately and may find him to be guilty of manslaughter.
Vigilantism bypasses what actual justice is. Instead of a complex, well thought out system of many experts you are relying on a person running 100% of emotion to deal out a sentence. That isnt healthy for a society. Not when individuals can be wrong. One open and shut case alone shouldnt mean people push for killing others. There is a shitload of bad shit that begins to occur if you let wanton vigilantism go about.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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freakergian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so, it's not a story jedi tend to tell
WhereIsYourMind ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's only human to have some hope, that some day, people like him will be reformed and stop being dickbags.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He called 911, noticed the bastard was still breathing. He put 911 on mute and hit him some more, only taking 911 off mute to say 'uh-huh' every now and then.
drswordopolis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Wait, you're not supposed to administer CPR to the trachea? My bad."
spysappenmyname ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that is what we usually say when a person is charged with a crime, everyone is sure they did it, but the person is still found not guilty.
It doesn't actually in my opinion state if the person saying someone "got away with it" is against the fact the person was found not guilty or not. It can be also been said in positive way.
So saying "he got away with it" and "he was found not quilty because of X (while he obviously did the thing that he was accused of) " are just two ways of saying the same thing.
GingerMan512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's the case by Shiner, TX the dad wasn't even charged. It's 100% justified.
NotARealAtty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think that phrase mean if it doesn't include a not guilty verdict?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Got away with it" just seems to have a negative connotation to me. It seems to imply, to me anyway, that he got away with something 'bad'. He was just protecting his daughter against a sexual predator.
NotARealAtty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He assaulted/battered a man. He likely had the required intent and state of mind. Self defense (which extends to defense of others) is an affirmative defense. So while he technically committed the crime, he "got away with it" because the defense mitigates the charge.
DuelingPushkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't get away with it because justifiable homicide is not a crime
just_an_anarchist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He managed it without additional or excessive negative side effects? Is that what you want to read?
diatom15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jury should be 100% parents so this guy gets a heavy sentence and the lady will be free. I cant account for what i would do if it was my daughter, i would kill for my child.
dzrtguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea 100% agree. There are people in my life I'd kill for, but only a couple I'd die for.
prntbby ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel people use this story the wrong way. I often see people praising the father and Texan law for allowing him to beat the guy nearly to death in some kind of proud way....... I feel it ignores the fact the father felt terrible for nearly killing the guy.
burnXgazel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people dont realise that even if theyre horrible human beings they are still human beings
FeelingRawr ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 15:21:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of it but that makes my day. Justice > "you're not better than the offender" bullcrap
cryo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean revenge?
FeelingRawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The purest form of justice as long as it's reasonable.
Vercci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you've added the word reasonable which eventually means the fathers did too much, did enough and didn't do enough all at the same time.
FeelingRawr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not advocating "revenge" per se. It is prone to misunderstandings and unreason. Only in a perfect system it would work out. Point is, if the father decides beating the living crap out of someone raping or even trying to rape his daugther is reasonable then I won't judge him. Answering severe and intentional violence (against innocent) with severe punishment might be revenge, yes, but it's also reasonable and just. Unlike blaming that father for "stepping down on his level" or even beneath.
superkp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to watch those because I'm a dad and i don't want to cry at work.
But I can tell you one thing for sure. Anyone that touches my daughter like this is going to regret it.
I had a dream about 2 months after my daughter was born that someone broke in to our house. In my dream I went after that fucker with a fury that I've rarely even seen depicted in movies. And it was for a simple "stranger in the house" not "naked dude near my daughter".
Oh my god if anyone touches my girl...I don't even know what to say. They are gonna regret it.
Vercci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you don't go into the videos thinking "What could happen to my child" you'll probably be fine. They're framed as the father saves their child from a monster, not father gets revenge on someone who destroyed the child.
superkp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR: I appreciate what you are saying, but you are not addressing the problem that I would have.
When I see something like that happening to any child, regardless of the frame that the storyteller is trying to use, I can feel my rage and hatred boiling over. I don't know exactly where it comes from. It's not about the stance of the father being either vengeful or protective, but the fact that a monster was allowed to be so near one that is so vulnerable, one that would be my duty to protect.
My little girl could be in that position one day. Face to face with a monster that is actively stripping away everything good, and ruining life itself for her even if she does survive. And the thing that she will want more than anything is for her father to step in and stop it. To save her.
If I would train myself to feel any less passion for things like this, then I fear that I would be training myself to do less than I need to do in order to protect her. I fear that the hole in my emotional armor would prove my undoing, and every man's greatest fear would be realized in my actions - I fear that I would be a coward in the face of a disaster in which I should act.
I don't know if you have children, or other people that look to you, directly, for physical safety. But it is an immense burden for me. I hate that this is repeated for lesser things, but if you aren't a parent, you wouldn't understand. I certainly didn't, before my daughter was born.
So, bearing all this in mind, thank you for trying to help me watch the videos - but in order to maintain the emotional discipline that I cannot risk for the sake of my daughter, I will decline. At least until I can go have a good ugly-cry when I'm at home.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a good dad. I'm not a parent, but just the thought of knowing that this stuff goes on everyday behind closed doors breaks my heart.
Waltzcarer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was another story where the father went to a pastor to ask what he should do after beating the shit out of the molestor
Pastor didn't know what to tell him and told him he would have done the same.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lord forgive me while I beat the living shit out of this person
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a brutal story. There's no way that father was in control of his actions when it happened. Even if killing someone is wrong there is no way he's guilty, how could you even predict how someone reacts in that situation. I don't think there is anything to "justify" at all. Why wouldn't this be considered temporary insanity or at least self defence of the child?
BassAddictJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And was acquitted, in part because he called 911 and tried to get the paramedics there as quick as he could.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Albuquerque a father found a creep looking into his 12 year old daughter bedroom while she was changing. The father beat the pedophile close to death and the father was arrested. He got probation.
Minsc_and_Boo_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aka the world's fastest grand jury trial in history i doubt the seats even had time to warm up
YouCan_Not_Doge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This dad just flat out shot his son's kidnapper/molester when they were bringing him to trial.
lowdiver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's interesting is that the mothers tend to bring weapons to this particular situation- there was a situation in Spain where the child rapist was released from prison, sought out the mother of his victim to ask after the child, and the mother followed him into a bar, doused him in gasoline, and lit the fucker up.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats fucking brutal. Lol. What happened to the mother!
lowdiver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the town applauded her but she was sentenced to prison. Because burning a rapist alive and shit. Then they pardoned her after about a year because she burned a rapist alive and shit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/1492839/Mother-sets-fire-to-her-daughters-gloating-rapist.html
Moral of the story- angry fathers will murder you in the moment. Angry mothers will bring knives and fire into the game.
Nachteule ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4 year old daughter... I'm against the death penalty but I fully understand this father and his reaction. This is just so horrible.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its so sad. :(
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why's that?
ButterPizza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats not a recipe, thats just an ingredient list man. You lied to me.
lonlonranchdressing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why you chose this specific recipe, but posting a recipe to show appreciation is pretty adorable.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't like banana cream pie?
lonlonranchdressing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:38 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took some time to think about it, and I've concluded that I'm generally indifferent toward it.
offbeatpally ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's about the manliest shit I've ever heard.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only Kenshiro can rival this mans testosterone.
Rainers535 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it wrong that the beat the fucker to death part made me smile. Fuck people like that.
TheLaoba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on the dad doing that.
As an aside, I have one question about that 911 call: How did the dad not know his own address? Did he literally not know or was he just so caught up in the moment that he forgot where he lived?
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm.. I'm assuming its the latter
bullet4mv92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you meant your second edit was the same dad, and I was like damn, he has some very rape-prone daughters.
HeughJass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn I didn't even do anything and I get a sweet ass recipe? Reddit is a really... interesting place.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is, Isn't it?
voyageoftheunseen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice comment. I'm uhh...I'm just here for the pie.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well feel free to stay around!
xsevenx7x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came for the vengeance,stayed for the banana cream pie.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good Job lad!
KeeperofAmmut7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds yummy...the recipe...and I'd have beaten the shit out any asshat who messed with my kid, let alone sexually.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make a creampie ... They are everywhere online. You can check out how to make them on www.xvideos.com and www.xhamster.com
thatwhatisnot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loves justice as much as I love banana cream pie. This post has it all!!
StMU_Rattler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may make that pie, thanks!
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me how it works out!
stickmanmob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still one of my favorite stories to share about good 'ol Texan justice.
matrixreloaded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Beat the fucker to do death with his bare hands"
What an interesting way to tell the story of a guy punching another man once to save his daughter and killed him in what was obviously a freak accident.
GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't be "that guy". .... You're ruining something special here... Let us enjoy this thank you very much
mike_d85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saw banana creme pie recipe. Thought there was a break from the children raping.
Am disappointed and depressed now.
Leaves_Swype_Typos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that reminds me of some of the stories that don't get anywhere near as much wide media attention, where fathers (or other people) wrongly killed people they believed to be child molesters. example
The nuance gets lost on too many that this degree of surety isn't common, and it importantly distinguishes a good act of vigilantism from any recklessly bad ones that happen to work out right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GAZAYOUTH93X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did say that I was offering the ingredients. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone read the headlines at the bottom toward the end? "kkk to adopt highway for litter control"?
[deleted] ยท 475 points ยท Posted at 15:07:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KensterFox ยท 505 points ยท Posted at 15:23:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A different account from the ex-boyfriend, not from each other.
[deleted] ยท 200 points ยท Posted at 15:23:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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computeraddict ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 15:29:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have a single differing account. It's all in the plurality of account. "They have different accounts" vs "They have a different account."
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:31:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GYP-rotmg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are technically correct. But grammar is super important in this case.
sokolov22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck English.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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computeraddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, it was admin//admin
prettytheft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, it's weird wording though
monstercake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh. This confused me too.
zeonchar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that wasn't worded well at all.
[deleted] ยท 372 points ยท Posted at 15:20:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pariahdog119 ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 15:43:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. Touching makes it sexual battery.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard somewhere taking a piss in public can label you a sexual predator.
But, regardless of the term, the severity still stands in the facts alone. He was naked. On top of. A child.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:50:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries!
Fashbinder_pwn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real and present ability to carry out that threat = assault. Imagined threat, written threat, phone threat, electronic threat are all different breaches of legislation that aren't assault.
krabstarr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
zips up pants
cryo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Depends on the someone and the circumstances, otherwise sex would be difficult in society.
dollywobbles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is the lack of consent. A 12 year old child isn't capable of consent in a situation like this.
Jewfangled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... It's the implication?
MsImNotPunny ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:24:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree with you, but I think that the writer was trying to say that the man's story was different than the (agreeing) stories of the mother & the child. It's worded horribly and implies something completely different.
Tigermaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No that paragraph is contrasting what the man said " She was just jealous that her daughter liked him" the woman and daughter are saying no you were sexually assaulting the girl
aedroogo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird-fucking reporting, or weird fucking-reporting?
Or both, I guess?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:26:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, this single sentence right here made me think the woman is just trying to get away with attempted murder and coached her daughter to say it was because she was being sexually assaulted.
However, the daughter's account was just a more detailed account of what occurred to her (as expected as she was the one getting assaulted). Not sure why the writer felt the need to spin it as if the woman and daughter gave conflicting accounts of the event. Because lets face it, when an article about crime says "different account", the reader is undoubtedly going to assume "conflicting account".
DietCokeAndProtein ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It means the mother and daughter gave a different account than what the man gave. Not that they gave different accounts from each other.
ZippyDan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:41:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/709vzw/cleveland_woman_repeatedly_stabs_boyfriend_after/dn1n4rr/
Lyssa_Ray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They gave a different account from the mom's boyfriend, not from each other.
pandymonium001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took it the same way when I initially read over it then realized by the end what they meant. But definitely could have been worded better to avoid confusion.
JustBreatheBelieve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This article was very poorly written.
phydeaux70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They need to take every white collar criminal in jail and release them if it means ensuring that people like this are never in public again.
I mean have Joe who's in jail for selling weed and this fuckface will be allowed to walk free. We have some major issues with sentencing in our country.
This guy should be dealt with by the general population in prison.
ChubFondue ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 15:05:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were to sit as a juror for this case I would have no trouble finding this woman not guilty.
XXTwnz ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 15:33:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was a prosecutor, I would have no trouble dropping this case in the out-box and never being stupid enough to charge the woman with any crime. Surely no grand jury would ever indict.
neotropic9 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:22:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, don't you think it would be better to vindicate her on the stand, while at the same time ensuring that this excuse isn't abused by future stabbers? It seems to me you have to hold people up to scrutiny after a multiple stabbing. If they were in the right, then they were in the right, and that will be shown by the proceedings.
AmbroseMalachai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:15:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's better to ensure proper procedure is followed and a proper investigation is carried out, even if the result is inevitable. It preserves people's faith that the system is fair and that being judged by a jury of peers is still what happens. That way nobody can say "it was all a setup" or "women lie and get way too much consideration in cases like these".
mike_d85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was the lead detective I'd have no problem mis-filing the evidence paperwork for all the horribly contaminated murder weapon in this case.
foxap0calypse ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jury finds this woman guilty of negligence via not ensuring a slow painful death. We sentence you to buy a bigger knife and 3 viewings of Jon wick, no parole.
poncewattle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the jury hears everything. I've been a juror on criminal jury trials and it's amazing what you hear presented to you and what's kept away from you versus what you later read about the case in the paper (if you take your duty seriously and don't read about the case).
For example, the jury might only hear that she came in and he was on top of another woman, because revealing the age of the woman might prejudice the jury against him, for example (got me if that's legit, it's just an example of how different things can be inside a courtroom)
Demonofyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to. Even when guilty as a juror nothing is stopping you you use judgement to say not guilty.
Ubersupersloth ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:23:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she DID stab him and it wasn't in self-defence. She should probably get a lighter sentence but the law is very clear on the matter of "stabbing someone is illegal".
endlesscartwheels ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:02:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was in defense of another, which is as good a justification as self-defense.
cluckfuck_mcduck ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 16:55:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The girl's life was not threatened. Why do you think attempted murder is an appropriate response?
endlesscartwheels ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:10:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definition includes great bodily harm, not just death.
MuttinChops ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perceived is a key word you're missing. Also, your actions must be of equal caliber to what they were going to do.
Meaning you can't shoot someone in the face who was trying to slap you.
Either way she stabbed him in the back of the head. That's attempted murder, regardless of self defense.
ForcrimeinItaly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think being stabbed in the head is of an equal or lesser caliber than living with a sexual trauma like this is. As a parent, if I saw someone raping my child my perception is that they (kiddo) are in danger of losing their life. They may still be breathing after but the life they had is taken away. I would have zero qualms about killing someone in this case and I'm sure even my ex husband would help pay for my lawyer, should it even be needed.
MuttinChops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you would be mistaken.
You would definitely need a lawyer.
What the fuck is up with reddit and believing everything they do is justified because they believe so? You know how many people are in prison because they believe what they did was the right thing or was an accident? "I didn't mean to kill him, I was just defending myself." The man is still dead. "I didn't mean to kill him, I just got so angry." The man is still dead. "He deserved it." If you honestly believe people deserve to die (not talking about murderers), then you need mental help.Taking someones life is very serious, and you people just throw it around like it's nothing. It's not like stepping on a bug.
ForcrimeinItaly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you've never been raped...
MuttinChops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you've never killed someone before... Or been in a situation that would force you to make that choice. You people joke around about it, but it's nothing to joke about. It is the hardest decision you will ever make in your life if you are unlucky enough to be in that situation.
Much like the majority of the world I have not been raped. I also understand that mental health is an issue the majority of the world suffers from. And killing mentally ill people is something we've been doing for thousands of years. It's idiotic and doesn't help advance treatment at all. Hell, one could argue that the want to kill people is a mental illness (in fact... it is).
ForcrimeinItaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be male, dear, if you can say the majority of the world hasn't been raped. I can say with some certainty that 100% of the women that I am close enough to have talked about such a thing with have been sexually assaulted. It's not a small group, either. Let that sink in for just a second. I can gather the group of my closest female family members and friends and every single one of us have been subjected to at least one nonconsensual encounter. Some of that group many, many times by more than one person and with a good deal of violence. So, no. I don't think I'm joking when I say that I would kill people to protect my child from that. Rape results in a lifetime of trauma, distrust, panic attacks and, sometimes, lifelong stds. Not to mention issues with sex and intimacy in many assault victims.
I don't advocate killing mentally ill people. Not at all. I'm a big supporter of mental healthcare. I know many people personally who have such struggles, family members who work in that field and in my own career I have close contact with some very mentally ill people. I've even had some issues in that arena myself (see that sexual assault thing in the previous paragraph). Most people don't like killing people but you can be damn sure they like watching someone rape their child even less.
MuttinChops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excuse me? What does me being male have anything to do with rape statistics? You're over inflating the numbers because of your personal experience. We call that confirmation bias.
Anecdotal. Who cares? All of my uncles have been shot at some point in their life. Does that mean every man in the world has been shot? No. That's why anecdotal stories mean nothing of value.
Have you ever spoken to someone who has taken someones life? It completely changes you. Some people can deal with it (but never forgive themselves) and others self destruct and spiral downhill or end up killing themselves. So yes, you people joke around about "I would kill him" all the time like killing someone is no big deal. You have no clue what it's like to be in a situation like that, and joking about it is childish.
No one is saying rape is no big deal, but don't sit here and pretend like killing someone is no big deal. The trauma after killing someone is on par with being raped. And you care argue that they aren't, but they are.
MuttinChops ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:27:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A stab in the back of the head is not self defense. That's attempted murder.
Doesn't matter if the person was strangling you two seconds ago. Attacking someone, while wielding a weapon, who is attempting to flee (or isn't facing your general direction) is attempted murder.
While her actions may have been in self defense, stabbing someone in the back of the head is not justifiable.
_eL_T_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the pedophile rapist ^
MuttinChops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice one.
Glad to see everything is always a joke.
allaboutcharlemagne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, technically she could claim that she was trying to protect all the other girls he might sexually assault in the future by killing him with a stab to the head.
But I highly doubt she thought a stab to the head with a pocket knife would kill him unless she had some damn good strength to go through his skull with. Neck? Sure. Head? Eh. At least, with my understanding of skulls and pocket knifes and my own strength, I'm highly doubtful that I could kill someone with a stab to the back of the head. Unless they let me strap them down and go at it for a while.
MuttinChops ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how self defense works. I could shoot my neighbor because I saw him kill an animal, and then claim "I was protecting the potential people he might kill with that gun." Doesn't even make sense.
That's why we have unintentional manslaughter and the like. If I'm whooping someones ass because they assaulted me with a knife, then I proceed to stomp on their head when they fall down, I can be charged with just as heinous of a crime as the person who assaulted me.
allaboutcharlemagne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you caught my sarcasm. I wasn't trying to create a defense for her because I, personally, believe her actions were justified. Even if she possibly went a little too far - again, I'm perfectly fine with everything she did - it's easily explained as a frantic mother, defending her daughter from an attacker, thinking only, "Make him go away. Make him get away from my daughter. He's still here. Keep stabbing."
MuttinChops ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:13:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not much of a defense. Otherwise people would get away with shooting someone in the back because all they're thinking is "get away from me, I have to defend myself."
hedgehogs_daydream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it not justifiable? What was she meant to do? If I walked in on my boyfriend doing something like that I would stand no chance in a fight against him, I'm not sure I would be able to physically get him to do anything he didn't want to do unless I had some kind of weapon. She had a split second to make this assessment and attacked to protect her daughter with the closest weapon she had access to. Again where was the best place to attack him? A pocket knife wound in most places won't incapacitateโ him, and if he turned to fight she would be screwed? What was she meant to do to protect her daughter and herself?
MuttinChops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self defense is one thing. There is a thing called excessive force. Stabbing someone in the back of the head is attempted murder. Plain and simple.
Doesn't matter if you lost control or over reacted. There is no excuse for going overboard.
gamernut64 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:28:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self defense of a child is defiantly a thing though. I think jury nullification could also be applied here if she were convicted.
MuttinChops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering she stabbed him in the back of the head, a not guilty charge is unlikely.
Self defense only protects you to a certain degree. Although, Florida has a "stand your ground" defense. That one is a bit more tricky. Basically gives you the right to flat out kill someone in the name of self defense. Although, it has to be in defense of serious harm.
CharlesManson420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, the jury will almost definitely find her not guilty. Jurors will tend to go with their morals on this one (rightfully so) instead of what is concrete legal or illegal
MuttinChops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That defeats the purpose of the legal system... Attempted murder is attempted murder. Doesn't matter what your morals tell you. If she gets by with self defense, he can still press charges for attempted murder since she stabbed him in the back of the head.
CharlesManson420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury nullification bud. Those jurors are going to see that she was defending her child, and will absolutely find her not guilty.
I'm sorry that you seem to want her to be charged, but it won't happen.
MuttinChops ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you believe, and I believe differently. Not to mention everyone is screaming guilty! this guy deserves to die before an actual investigation is completed.
So much for innocent until proven guilty. This is why you're basically fucked if you're accused of any sort of crime. Doesn't matter if you're found not guilty you will forever be person X. Especially in rape cases.
CharlesManson420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:11:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's hard to know what really happened when all we know is this grown man was naked on top of a 12 year old girl.
I mean don't you just find yourself naked on top of little girls all the time? Common mistake.
arsonisfun ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury Nullification
_eL_T_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this type of case, I'm sure a jury of peers will go for what's right or wrong, not what's legal or illegal. It is your right as a juror to do so.
eternalexodus ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:55:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, she is guilty, regardless of the crime that motivated her to commit hers. raping kids is far more wrong, yes, but two wrongs don't make a right. you would make an unfit juror and should be dismissed as such.
Cpcr1203 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:04:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree 100%. I don't know if I would have the mindset to stop myself from stabbing someone if it was my child and they did/said that.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: Nope, me neither. Highly doubtful, anyway.
RMCPhoto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Temporary insanity induced by cognitive dissonance
Jaimestrange ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have two kids. It's hard to say what I would do in that situation. After all, if I go to jail, I can't take care of them. But if I walked in on that...I have a feeling blind rage would take over.
purplecanecity ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 15:27:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you'd be wrong if you did stab someone because murder is the worst action or crime you can commit against another human. Rape is not the end of life. Murder is. And anyone who murders should be put to death. There's no excuses.
Cpcr1203 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:20:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious...do you have children?
purplecanecity ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Are you an expert chef, or can you tell when bread is burnt and meat is dry, etc? The plea to defend children no matter what is emotionally charged, and not logically sound considering the consequences and our legal system.
Cpcr1203 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emotionally charged? Absolutely.
Logically sound? Maybe not for you since you're childless, but it sure as hell is to me. I would happily go on trial for defending my child or my Husband (or myself) they are in harms way. If I was given jail time for defending my family, so be it. My conscious can process that far better than standing by and allowing someone to harm my child or Husband with knowledge.
Oh, and just in case you were wondering...it is not out of the ordinary for a parent to be put on trial and sentenced for having knowledge of the incident(s) and not doing anything about it.
purplecanecity ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's not out of the ordinary for a parent to be put on trial and sentenced for knowledge of the 'incident(s)' and not doing anything about it, can you give me 5 sources as examples? Are you referring to Duty to Rescue, because it's not even legislated in all 50 states. Even in the states it's legislated like Florida, the most recent incident, which you probably heard of is the 5 teens laughing at a handicapped man drown. They were not convicted. And I certainly wouldn't find them guilty as part of the jury. If someone is foolish enough to bring themselves into peril. Involving my own well being can be just as jeopardizing. I've seen countless videos of people drowning, and someone goes to help them, and they drown as well.
The real world isn't like comic books, where everyone gets to play hero. Look at how China reacts with people ran down in the street. Ain't no one cares.
And if you're premeditating an action which will require prison time then I doubt your mental cognition skills. You should respect your own life. Having children doesn't mean that you jump in front of every car about to hit your kids. You're a part of society. You have an education. You know the language. Not everything's about saving little Timmy in the well. Don't jump down the well after him. Sometimes people are gravely injured due to their own actions.
getmepuutahereplz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:23:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self defense is wrong? Or defending others? You are messed up to think stabbing someone to defend a 12 yr old from being raped is wrong(even if it results in death).
purplecanecity ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self defense is not wrong. Murder is wrong. Defending others is not wrong. Telling me I'm messed up for thinking blah blah blah - when you think murder is acceptable. I rest my case. You're as loony as the rest.
getmepuutahereplz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about when self-defense results in death. Or as you call it "murder"
purplecanecity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-defense cases would have to be examined one-by-one. I simply don't stand by the parents in this thread claiming they'd kill the rapist of their daughter. It's an emotionally charged lie. It's sensational, and not the truth, and not moral nor legal.
dcfunk ยท 1454 points ยท Posted at 14:34:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?? Gross. Where did you read this? 6 stabs with a pocket knife were not enough. I want him to go to jail and have someone say to him "this is what it is like in prison when you have a boyfriend"
EDIT: because I can't reply to all of you - I'm not advocating for rape, nor wishing it upon him. First of all, it was partially in tongue-in-cheek, in that I want someone to make him to feel as completely and utterly helpless as he made that little girl feel. He needs to understand the gravity of his actions, feel remorse, and seek to change his future behavior. Second, if you truly believe my comment was to mean "an eye for an eye," then my comment meant 'I hope someone naked gets on top of him and scares the shit out of him.' Finally, for those of you wishing rape on me because you believe I wished rape upon someone else... please just stop and think about what you did right there and what that means.
EDIT2: I stand behind my comment.
redisforever ยท 464 points ยท Posted at 14:36:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the article.
[deleted] ยท 506 points ยท Posted at 14:48:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an article?
Cybermacy ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 15:02:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I heard you can somehow link them here in reddit. Don't know how all that works though, I prefer the mini articles at the top of the page myself.
bayoubevo ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:18:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard reading too much is really bad for you. This is why we should limit ourselves to twitter and headlines.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:18:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like exercise in that sense. We don't want to use up all of the body's energy.
0ne23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment has too many characters for me.
13pts35sec ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, please limit yourself to reposts of KenM
Ayyylookatme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's enough reading and writing to become president!
FishFloyd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fucking lol i can't tell if the guy you are replying to is serious or not but if so good work
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer that mini articles that usually appear near the top but below the post headline. Sometimes you have to scroll a while to find them though.
Mr_Belch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are the ones written in blue right? I've heard that they turn purple if you click them.
Cybermacy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't see any reason why anyone would click one. I just click the comments button and start spewing bullshit.
tossoneout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
click on the photo
DothrakAndRoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are articles here? On reddit?
I thought there were just comment sections.
AshTheGoblin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody got a link?
Korpse223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah reddit is all we need
ThatForearmIsMineNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is an article
_Robotz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An article of clothing? Nope, the guy was naked.
sapphireprism ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link at top of post...
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:07:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is joke
sapphireprism ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is bad article anyway. Written by a monkey drunk on cooking sherry.
dcfunk ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 14:39:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, what do you know? Just re-read it... I think I was blinded by rage by the end, and must have missed it.
redditallreddy ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 14:47:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article was not well-written. It implies earlier they daughter and mother gave conflicting testimony, which they did not.
WiglyWorm ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 14:53:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cleveland Plain Dealer does not have good writers anymore. I'm surprised it still exists as a newspaper. It's crazy, it's like 10 pages long including two pages of comics and crosswords some days.
Arogar ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good journalists cost money but young students are cheep.
eros_bittersweet ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:08:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Journalism's for the birds, and the truth is told in homonyms these days :(.
gumgum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:06:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and why shouldn't students be able to write a coherent article?
hhmmmmm could it ... could it possible be ... the crap education system?
electricjellyrope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sleep deprivation
TheInverseFlash ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Journalism is easier to get into than a job at Walmart
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, right.
MikeNew513 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of Ohio's newspapers have gone to shit. They aren't independently owned anymore, now they are all part of big media conglomerates. The paper in Cincinnati used to be great, ever since Getty media took it over it has become a fishwrapper.
redditallreddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've lived in Cinci over 10 years. At least now it isn't one conservative hit-job after another.
MikeNew513 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't even focus on local news anymore.
redditallreddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's one section.
buenos-diaz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:53:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know i had to read that part a few times to see where it conflicted and I'm still lost.
Brohan_Cruyff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:59:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The woman and her daughter gave a different account from what the boyfriend said. If it meant their accounts conflicted, it would have said "The woman and her daughter gave different accounts of what happened," then would have explained them. The sentence is fine.
buenos-diaz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's accurate but it's not very clear. The sentence may be fine but it's not very good.
palunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, as another who read it "wrong". In journalism, readability is just about as important as technical grammatical accuracy.
drscorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. "The woman and her daughter both gave accounts of what happened," would be better. Sure they are technically different accounts, but not conflicting, which is what "different" implies.
OtherSpiderOnTheWall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they gave a different account [from the boyfriend's].
If there's a problem here, it's that people don't know how to read.
drscorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they had added what you put in brackets, no one would have been confused. When you're writing articles like these, you're writing for clarity at a low-grade reading level.
Watsoooooon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also says that they conducted a physical examination of the girl and doesn't think to mention what the outcome of that was.
OtherSpiderOnTheWall ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does not. It only does so if you have poor reading comprehension.
It does imply the the boyfriend has a different story from the mother and daughter.
redisforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries.
It's pretty fucking infuriating. What a piece of shit.
197708156EQUJ5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was blinded by rage by the title
horacre ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give us a break.
AlanThomasSays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's this article you speak of?
inthedrink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine that.
Barnaby_Fuckin_Jones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I rarely read articles because every fucking website has a bunch of auto play videos and obtrusive pop up ads that I don't have the patience for, especially when I'm on my phone. I just read the top comments anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1106 points ยท Posted at 15:09:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should think deeply about whether you are the type of person that wishes rape on someone else. There is no crime for which rape is SUPPOSED to be the punishment.
edit: I have tried to start this conversation before. I am American. I am disgusted with American's love/desire to see people raped in prison. It is beyond fucked up. Anyone advocate for it quickly blurs the line between themselves and the imprisoned. Just lock them up, you don't have to exact fucking revenge.
SJ_Shark_Byte ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 15:43:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't bother man, reddit always takes things to the extreme. If reddit was a country most crimes would warrant the death penalty in their eyes.
pankakke_ ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:55:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. On that post on the front page yesterday of the lady putting her feet on the airplane seat in front of her, people were calling for someone to jam their elbow hard against her foot, or giving her a papercut between her toes. Like... damn, maybe just ask her to move her feet instead?
orcinovein ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:09:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual conversations are hard for reddit.
ReesesForBreakfast ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:31:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And people are just having fun/wouldn't actually do that in real life. (Most people)
orcinovein ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:37:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's my point. Tough on the internet, quiet in real life.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be fucking honest, everyone is like that. Doing anything socially is much easier when you're anonymous and not in person.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna go on a date? I'm too shy to ask in person, but it's easier to ask you anonymously through the internet.
ReesesForBreakfast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dope point.
rglitched ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why be polite to those who already know what they're doing is wrong and rely on someone being a non-confrontational coward to get away with it? People like that are garbage.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAASs ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:33:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because assault is a crime
rglitched ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not suggesting assault. I am suggesting that there is no need to be polite but I only support voicing your displeasure verbally.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAASs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's not what anyone was talking about. They were talking about the edgelords saying to assault people just for being obnoxious or doing annoying things. Being polite or impolite didn't come into the conversation at all
ThatForearmIsMineNow ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:42:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I try to be polite to people even if they're rude. If you escalate the situation none of you will be any happier.
helloimpaulo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd suggest reading "This is Water" by D.F. Wallace and not being an entitled p.o.s.
dcfunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between "not being polite" and being rude. There's nothing wrong with simply being firm and saying "This behavior is unacceptable."
pankakke_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe she wasn't thinking and was just tired. But if you ask politely and without a scene, she might still be embarrassed, apologize profusely, and become more aware that it wasn't right to do. What makes you think she knows what she's doing? All humans make mistakes and do a few small things that are weird, you just ask them to not and 90% of people will oblige.
SweetNapalm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She took off her shoes entirely.
Even if you're wearing flip-flops, that's not quite at "I'm just so tired I forget where I'm placing my feet."
You take them off specifically to kick them up somewhere.
I agree with you. Just ask her to remove them, but some people really are that cuntish to just throw their feet up into your personal space on a plane.
mastersword130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I've done those things plenty of times without thinking about it. My brain just goes to automatic when I try to get comfortable, same thing when I'm taking a shit and wash up afterwards, all automatic with zero thought put into it.
Coptek91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can be rude about it too with your words. You just don't have the right to assault someone.
rglitched ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already addressed this in a reply to someone else in this very chain. I am not condoning assault. I agree that your show of disapproval must remain verbal.
deadly_inhale ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:00:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially traffic crimes
Throwaway123465321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I was gonna say people would definitely get beheaded for failing to signal a lane change.
deadly_inhale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bikes on the road failing to stop at stop signs. Instant death!
Throwaway123465321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They might get that regardless of the law though ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
steaknsteak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:32:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Death penalty is one of the weirdest Reddit hivemind opinions to me. Buncha bloodthirsty fucks out here that are somehow against mass incarceration for drug offenses but totally cool with that same flawed justice system having the authority to execute people. Maybe these are disjoint groups of people but they seem to be both be the prevailing opinions on the site.
LateralEntry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's unfortunately because reddit is mostly kids who don't have much experience with real consequences. I love the news, views conversation and exchange of information here, but the young male rebellious slant of the userbase is a turnoff sometimes.
slavefeet918 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anything that has to do with animals or dui
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Udjet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't rehabilitate sexual desire. If that were the case, these stupid "pray the gay away" therapy sessions would work. This is their attraction, there's no turning it off. Sure, you might convince a few to withhold their desire (which is a whole different form of torture), but you can't make it go away. Oh, chemical castration? Yeah, somehow that shit is inhumane too.
Mex-Box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had a PT, a young girl, not even a teenager, who was repeatedly molested by her father. The pain I saw in her eyes, the fear of the world in itself, disgusted me and left me speechless. Knowing he'll be out relatively soon, if convicted, brought me to wishing him a life much worse than prison or death could guarantee.
Seeing an innocent child in that position and the damage she suffered by a man she is told to trust without question, will change even the most kind hearted man. I hope you never have to bare witness to this and, should you be a witness or victim already, I extend my condolences to you, hoping you have made your peace or will soon.
I see this more often than I'd wish anyone should and I can only imagine what the social workers see. It's relieving to hear you value life enough to give everyone a chance to repent.
If more people believed in that chance, maybe those people would not have become the monsters we see.
SometimesIBleed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you say that! I hope you get the death penalty for saying things I disagree with!
ottawadeveloper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
" 'Vote up if...' is forbidden by intergalactic law. Punishment will be being stabbed to death by pitchforks" - Reddit National Law, probably
newfor2017 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except most of reddit is probably again death penalty sentenced by the courts.
IgnisDomini ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They claim to be against the death penalty and then howl for it every time someone commits a crime.
Kelmi ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:23:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death penalty wouldn't be enough. We'd have straight up torture as punishment for looking at pets in the wrong way.
blackxxwolf3 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:45:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and dont forget it would be illegal to vote for any candidate the majority didnt like. freedom of speech wouldnt be a thing, but at least every drug imaginable would be legal!
ActionScripter9109 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Reddit court finds the defendant guilty of first-degree doggo denouncement and sentences him to death by W I L D B O Y E."
Udjet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many, many people are against the death penalty because the investigations are flawed and innocent people end up in a horrible situation. Those same people would support it for those that don't deserve a second chance if it was guaranteed there would never be false convictions. This is often the reason you have to make generalized comments like "they claim to be against the death penalty..." They are against unjust convictions, not against the death penalty for child rapists and serial killers.
harleygwengirl ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:46:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with America prison systems is that they only house criminals, they don't make any actual effort to rehabilitate them. Why would they do that when they can run a for-profit prison and encourage recidivism? Gotta make the big bucks!
My point is that rapists are the fucking scum of the earth. The worst of the worst. You rape a little girl?! Hell yeah I'll fucking laugh if you get sodomized in prison. Maybe now that you know how it feels you'll never do it to anyone else again. Hell yeah, I'd be fucking thrilled to know my grandfather, who raped me when I was 4 years old, who raped my mother repeatedly throughout her childhood, who probably raped all his other daughters, was himself raped in prison... repeatedly. He never fucking suffered or paid otherwise. Fuck him and fuck anyone who violates another person in such an awful way. Rapists have no fucking excuse and no redeeming value. Take them out back and fucking shoot them like rabid dogs.
poisonivy160911 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:34:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, that's not always how it works. Pedro Alonzo Lopez, the Monster of the Andes, was a serial killer who was raped/molested several times as a child and he vowed to do the same to as many girls as possible. Rape is about control, and for a rapist, having that control taken away doesn't usually "teach them a lesson" it just makes them more desperate to establish any sort of control they can by preying on those weaker than them.
harleygwengirl ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:44:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people are raped and molested as children and they grow up vowing to never hurt anyone in the same way they were hurt. Guess someone should have taken that dude out and shot him after the first time he decided to rape some innocent girl who had nothing at all to do with the abuse he suffered as a kid. Fuck anyone who takes their own history of abuse out on anyone else. Ugh.
noisypeach ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:00:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the point of the other poster. Note: it wasn't that all rapists are victims. It was this:
They don't "see how it feels". They don't learn or gain perspective by being raped. It only makes them want to seize power from others again, in order to regain some. You might as well suggest making them eat their vegetables before they get any dessert.
Coptek91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why there is no rehabilitation for such low life pieces of fucking shit. If you rape an innocent little girl then you deserve to be in there for at least 40 years.
harleygwengirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right. They don't learn or gain perspective. They don't empathize. They are incapable. I don't support the death penalty because innocent people have been executed and that's NEVER okay, but I think if a rapist is caught in the act, especially a child rapist, you might as well take him out and shoot him like a rabid dog. See, if you can't learn from your mistakes you'll just keep repeating them. And rape is a really unforgivable mistake to make.
Mr_s3rius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think no rapist can possibly be rehabilitated?
harleygwengirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, if a teenager is caught sexually abusing another kid, I think there is definitely a possibility that teenager could be rehabilitated. Especially if said teen was abused themselves. Once you're a grown adult, however, you don't deserve a second chance if you violate someone in such a deeply sick way. Rape and molestation scar FOR LIFE. You know who deserves rehabilitation therapy? Victims of sexual abuse.
nushublushu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for saying this.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, this. It's horrifying to me how many people concoct horrible torture in their heads for criminals. And the amount of people who say shit like "they shouldn't even have a trial, we should just hang them publicly/cut off their testicles and feed it to them/etc." Are we a civilized society or not?
dcfunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly, since rape continues to be an issue, we are not a civilized society. I find it interesting how nearly everyone interpreted my comment to mean "I hope he gets raped."
I hope he is put in a situation where he can understand the pain he caused someone else. I don't know the perfect "punishment" for his attempted rape, but whatever it is, it should be something which makes him understand what he did was wrong, feel true remorse, and lead to more positive behavior in the future.
Jennacide88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I mean aside from the morality issue, our justice system isn't exactly infallible. Innocent men are incarcerated for sex crimes every day. Sometimes all it takes is a bitter woman making a false allegation. All these people shouting "rape the rapist!" would hate to find themselves on the wrong side of that.
__soulembrace ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:02:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just the obsession with rape in prison, but the obsession with the "eye for an eye" philosophy is just disturbing to me. Ok, so a guy killed someone, and you wanna turn around and do the same thing to him? How are you any better?
lyan-cat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it's just the impulse to render the attacker as powerless and vulnerable as their victim, a bit of revenge, and the hope that it would be a learning experience. It's not something you have to act on, though, you take a step back and think about it, and realize that it's not going to get you where you want to be.
__soulembrace ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:25:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, I agree. I can understand I suppose in theory WHY people might feel that way but don't understand why they think it's going to ultimately bring them some sense of comfort or something. Reminds me of the White Bear episode of Black Mirror.
Coptek91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human nature
theswerto ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death penalty fails any test of logic.
If killing is wrong, and we want to punish this person for killing, why is our punishment to kill him? It isn't a deterrent, that's for sure. Death penalty has been around forever, people still kill people. Murder rate didn't go up in states or nations that got rid of the death penalty, either. All it does is make you feel better in the short term, it doesn't bring back those that were killed, and it doesn't exact a fair punishment on the killer. There's also the chance you kill an innocent because an overzealous prosecutor or a poor defense failed to keep an innocent man out of that position.
We also need to ask the question if the government should be in the business of killing its own people, I don't think it should be.
tomsing98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a poor argument. A private citizen can't keep someone in a locked room for a year. That's wrong. But if someone did that, we'd put them in a locked room for, well, probably longer than a year. Presumably you don't have an issue with that.
That's not to say I support the death penalty. I don't. But it's dumb to disregard the difference between an individual doing something on their own and the state doing something subject to the relevant law.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:04:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather give money to his cell mates canteen just to yell at the guy frequently.
J354 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. What they are practising is called moral objectivity. Retracting moral consideration from certain groups. Violence or rape shouldn't be wished upon anyone because if it's okay for it to be done to some, where is the line drawn? Self-defence is an exception to this.
It's easy - human nature even - to want revenge. But vigilante justice is not allowed for a reason.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:55:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The punishment is that the person is removed from society. Nothing more.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I agree with you. I just didn't approve of your use of punishment here when they aren't talking about punishment. Instead people are talking about vengeance.
tomatomater ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's about rape specifically, but more wishing them to get a taste of their own medicine in general. If it takes a rapist to be raped before they understand how horrible rape is, I think it's unfortunate but for the best.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:07:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is raping someone ever "for the best"?
TumblrInGarbage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so you didn't read the comment, but they are suggesting that some people are incapable of comprehending how reprehensible the act is until it happens to them. I'm inclined to agree to some extent.
There are many people who are pro life for example or can't understand rape victims until it happens to them or somebody they know. Unfortunately, these people still usually don't actually change. They often simply rationalize that their story is special, and other stories are not similar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TumblrInGarbage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so your comment asked what they meant but the comment totally explained what they meant. Meaning your comment has no value at all because you obviously didn't read what you replied to.
You don't even offer a counter argument. Your post was the digital equivalent to saying"could you say that again?"
In fact, even your response to me added literally no discussion. You seem quite bad at this whole reading thing!
I do kind of get what your point is, but why not at least put effort into it? These people lack empathy, and I do not think that physical violence will always or even often magically grant them that.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TumblrInGarbage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you really can't.
There's literally nothing of value in your comment; it does nothing to transform or even respond to the thing you replied to. Truly it was irredeemably poor in quality.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TumblrInGarbage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao this coming from the guy/woman whose comment was literally just asking something that was answered in the post they responded to?
Go read a book. Or have a conversation with someone. Learn about connotation, it's an important thing to understand.
I'm not asking for high level commenting but perhaps explain why you disagree with somebody instead of just being stupidly vague about it? You know, maybe add your opinion to the discussion a little? Lol or is that too high level for you ๐๐
"This thing could be justified because reason A" "When could this thing ever be justified?"
Your original comment was either the highest horse I've ever seen or the stupidest comment I've ever seen. Choose.
pokemaugn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A child rapist getting raped is for the best. They now know what it felt like to be their victim. And it doesn't make the person raping the pedophile "just as bad", since they aren't raping a child
xCookieMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't make them as bad, but it does make them a rapist. Which is pretty fucking awful tbh
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is "for the best." TIL
tomatomater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:16:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao fuck off with your YouTube comments style of bullshit.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a question, are you willing to rape a rapist so that they get a taste of their own medicine?
tomatomater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't want to further entertain a person who quotes another out of context and make it out like they're being clever. Not to mention raising a question that, at best, pretends to be relevant.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At no point did I quote you out of context or ask an irrelevant question.
All I did in both cases was boil down your statements to their essence. For the first, your statement:
What you're saying is that there are circumstances where it's best that someone be raped. Let me remove some of your rhetorical fluff and rephrase it in the form of a thesis:
Statement:
So you're definitely pro-rape.
Justification:
So you think there's a good reason to rape someone.
Moral commentary:
So you think there are definitely good reasons to rape people, and you're certain that everyone will benefit.
Aren't you glad that we've straightened this out?
As to my second question to you, whether you'd be willing to rape a rapist to achieve the very positive end you set forth in your original statement, I really think it's relevant. What if we can't find any prisoners who are willing to rape that guy who needs raping? Do we hire someone? A professional rapist? Do we solicit volunteers? Would YOU volunteer? Would YOU be willing to be an instrument of this particular instance of Rape as Policy? I mean, you think rape can be such a positive thing, why not volunteer? You improve society, you help the rapee understand how horrible rape is, and you get some nookie, to boot.
newloaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone. As far as your point goes, you'll have to be satisfied with that.
Collier1505 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhh... rape a 12 year old girl and I'm pretty okay with you being raped in prison. Eye for an eye and all that jazz.
Die231 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are people who are messed up like that, and they are actually surprised when other people also do messed shit like raping little kids.
It boggles the mind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Fat_chick_thrilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought about it deeply. Sounds like a fair punishment.
lifesbrink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the guy had the nerve to say it was "just a joke guys"
theswerto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. Prison is enough punishment. Prison exists to keep people separated from the criminals and rehabilitate those that can, not to exact mob vengeance on people.
ChickenOfDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that it shouldn't happen and as a society letting it happen only makes the world a worse place. But it's hard not to want bad things to happen to bad people.
Udjet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, it's so much better that these shitbags suck up hard earned tax money and eventually released back into a society that doesn't need or want them.
Do you have kids? I can tell you now, if someone did something like this to one of mine I wouldn't stop until he was a stain on the ground. But I guess you're better at the "live and let live" lifestyle than I am...
Stop_Sign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One bit at a time man. A comment similar to this has changed my mind in the past about it. It's a problem we should be reading stats about and discussing causes and solutions, not joking about it.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RM_Dune ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:27:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
KnightOfAshes ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:59:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of Hamurabi's code was not that you must take an eye for an eye, but that you could only take an eye for an eye. Ergo, you can't put a rapist on Death Row because the crimes are not equivalent. Way to miss the point of the origin of modern criminal justice entirely.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:29:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. The last person would still have one eye.
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ermpera ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Person 1 takes person 2's eye, so person 2 takes person 1's eye, so person 1 takes person 2's eye, so person 2 takes person 1's eye, now they're both blind.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IAmTriscuit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:37:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the point is just that people like to say that phrase in order to feel superior to others when really if you give a single thought to it, it isn't a solid rule and more of a sentiment.
slavefeet918 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You miss the point tho.
fireworkpt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it doesn't.
You take someones eye, they take yours back, so you take their other eye back as revenge, and they take your other eye too.
That's what the expression is supposed to mean, if we're going to punish people by doing the same illegal stuff they did to others, then we should be punished for it too, and the person who punishes us aswell, etc... it would be an endless cycle.
bmilo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. People have to try their damnedest to be anything less than pure evil. The only thing keeping people from killing each other is the threat of being killed themselves. Mutually assured destruction is a deterrent.
KindOrHonest ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think that isn't true. I'm nice tor more reasons than fear of mutual destruction. Empathy and sympathy are human traits.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only so far as it suits their interests. If donating to charity and being kind to others made you feel shitty, you wouldn't do it.
MrNar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that, to some extent, humans generally act in a way that suits their interest (even when the act may seem to be a burden on the person doing the act). I do not think, however, that this means people's "default" is "pure evil."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wasn't agreeing with him, just saying that people are nice because they believe it will reap benefits for them, though for most it is a subconscious action. if you enjoy the people around you being happy, as most do, then you'll take steps to see that they are happy. if you hate it when others enjoy life, you won't. simple as that
MrNar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok, my bad. And I completely agree with you.
curiousermonk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL your mother raised you in fear for her life
fireworkpt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true at all, would you kill a friend/family member if you were 100% sure that you wouldn't get caught/killed? Probably not, because most people have empathy and sympathy for others.
Why do you think that most kids being initiated into gangs shit themselves when they're asked to kill someone? Not everyone has what it takes in them to take another persons life, even without consequences.
bmilo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we are civilized now. We strive to be more than just animals.
Beaxly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that i thing about it, SAME! If people started taking an eye for an eye, then it would do a much better job of discouraging people from taking eyes in the first place instead of giving them a time-out when they take someone's eye.
TheNorthComesWithMe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of people against the death penalty.
Kidneyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A person that wishes rape on rapists is leagues better than a person that wishes for a world where only the innocent are ever made to suffer.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the more ridiculous things I've read on reddit in quite some time, and that's really saying something.
serendependy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False dichotomy is false.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kidneyjoe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but I'm pretty sure the person I responded is also against people being beaten or murdered in prison too.
trinaaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish rape on him.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jeffsoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, now I'm realizing you're just a troll.
ButtsPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But locking them up is in itself a form of revenge, isn't it? Oftentimes, criminals are locked away not because they are actively a danger to others, but to punish them. "You did something bad to someone else, so I do something bad to you". That's how the system is built.
Personally I'm not convinced that losing years, sometimes decades of your life in prison is a kinder or overall 'better' punishment than something physical like rape. They can both be extremely damaging and difficult to recover from. I think that if we truly want an effective system that is not based on revenge and punishment, we shouldn't advocate for "just locking them up" either.
dcfunk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, jail in-and-of-itself, is not a punishment for all. What you and I see as a lack of freedom and luxury, others see as a place where they are guaranteed food, shelter, and access to health care.
ButtsPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it can depend on a lot of factors like the prison's security level, its policies, the individual convict's circumstances, etc. But it's true that for some, it's an improvement over their usual (likely very troubled) lives.
Lorne_Soze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not about wishing rape on a rapist or someone else, its about a sense of justice wherein he needs to endure the suffering in the same way the victim suffered. It is not about justifying rape as a means of punishment but a way to bring about justice.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're advocating rape as a tool of justice.
If only logic was still taught as part of the liberal arts.
-CrestiaBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree mostly, and I have like so many problems with this.
Raping in so many cases is what created the rapist/pedophile to begin with. Raping them again like really isnt going to solve even an ounce of the problems that are already happening in their head.
With that being said I don't think it's okay to simply slap them on the wrist with a superfluous charge and sentence. The clergy's past demonstrations of mercy are evidence enough of how fine the line is between protecting a pedophiles base human rights and enabling him.
You can't "cure" one beyond brainwash and at that point, it's like a lot more ethical to just kill them
nixcamic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If life has taught me anything its that most people can't tell the difference between punishment and revenge.
Also that most people think criminals deserve punishment and not rehabilitation. And if you try and point this out they're like "what so rapists should just walk free" and it's like no.... you can have punishment and rehabilitation, they aren't mutually exclusive.
Mistah__Pink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the type of person who wishes he would get raped in prison, I'm the type of person who sincerely hopes he gets shanked in prison. We as a society need to make rape in prison unacceptable and not perceive it as a pun and definitely not as a punishment for criminals.
I'm all for rehabilitating people that are incarcerated but some people can't be changed.
You can rehabilitate a person who steals ATM's or a person who robs convenience stores, hell even a sometimes person who has committed murder can be rehabilitated. Someone who rapes people I feel can never be rehabilitated, yet the majority convicted get more lenient sentences than those convicted of selling drugs to willing adults.
Someone gets caught selling marijuana gets 40 years prison sentence
a child rapists gets 15 years?
Krawk101 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought about it deeply, I still do. If someone who is of full bodied and full ability like a grown man chooses to prey on a little girl, that man should have no problem being preyed on by someone near hos size. Rape isnt a punishment bu law obviousily, but it is pretty known in prison, you prey on women or children, your gonna have a real bad time when the guards mention what you in there for.
Actinism ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:38:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realise that as soon as you support raping rapists, you're going to have to find another rapist to do the raping, and then seeing as you're endorsing it you're presumably willing to let that rapist go without punishment, so now you've both increased the amount of rape and let a rapist go free.
xHoodedMaster ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:40:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We never have this problem with executions
messylinks ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:42:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until you convict the wrong person and kill an innocent person. With dna evidence we have seen many people go free after being wrongly convicted. Killing guiltily people is not worth the possibility of taking an innocent life from this Earth.
MY-SECRET-REDDIT ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:55:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't invalidate what he said.
messylinks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to invalidate. I'm just saying legal murder may not be the best thing
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I oppose the death penalty, but it is an unavoidable fact that killing is sometimes necessary. Rape is NEVER necessary.
Killing can occasionally accomplish something that can be accomplished in no other way. The same can most definitely not be said of rape.
OldWolf2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should prison justice be different from courtroom justice?
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:43:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as prison justice. There is only one type of justice. The other is vengeance.
KindOrHonest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:43:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't advocate raping or any justice other than courtroom justice, BUT courtroom justice is a pretty unnatural thing that even a well civilized man has to struggle to put himself through. People have been killing and raping for revenge for centuries. Prison justice is just old fashioned natural justice. Still wrong.
bmilo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the reality of prison though.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only in countries with poor human rights records. It isn't something to be tolerated in an advanced society.
MY-SECRET-REDDIT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:56:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that pretty much all coubtries?
bmilo ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:37:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You expect human pieces of garbage to abide by the rules of advanced society?
messylinks ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:46:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone in prison is garbage. America has the highest incarceration rate of all industrialized first world nations. Not everybody in prison belongs there. Are you saying minor drug offenders deserve to be raped in prison? Thats not even mentioning innocent people who get wrongfully accused and sent to prison. The prison rape mentality needs to stop. We need to work on rehabilitation, not labeling everyone who has made a mistake garbage
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America has more incarcerated people than China.
A supposedly-liberal, nominally-representative democracy has more people behind bars than a communist oligarchy that has roughly three times its population.
Let's just think about that one for a moment.
messylinks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we have privatized prisons to boot. Its not right
bmilo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say anyone should be raped. I said the reality is they are going to get raped and you are putting them in prison knowing that will happen.
messylinks ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:48:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Then I'm saying we need to change that mentality. People should not expect to be raped in prison.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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messylinks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree 100%
Rather_Unfortunate ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but the people who run the prisons should.
fireworkpt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except they're not all "human pieces of garbage", some people go to jail for stealing food in order to survive, some people go there for crimes they didn't commit, some people go there because of a stupid unintentional mistake, doesn't make them all "human pieces of garbage".
In fact, the poor system prisons in most countries have actually encourage those people to become criminals, they're forced to fight and become tough if they want to survive in there, which often changes them completely, some people can handle it and still be good when they get out, most people can't.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:41:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you should be more careful when having a conversation. Nowhere did I put any obligation on the criminals. I am talking about the rest of us. In your clumsiness you have implied that people without my belief are human pieces of garbage. Hahaha. Conversation fail. Maybe delete it and try again.
bmilo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/iamverysmart
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I gave you the opportunity to fix a mistake. I guess laziness is what makes you the way you are then.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what he intended. His sentence was poorly constructed and didn't not denote the right group of people before his quoted text.
I reject your premise that society expects better of the prisoners but oh well. We still don't agree, as a society, that this would be bad. We haven't even gotten to the point of trying to get prisoners to do what we have decided upon. Seems about 50% of people love the idea of extra-legal punishment for undesirables. Until we settle the discussion outside of prison there can't be anything done in a prison, whether it is successful or not.
alexleafs522 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, as I see it you totally failed to bring up a salient point and reduced your argument down to a generalization without expanding upon it. Then, when caught on that; the responder chose to try to catch you on specifics. At that point you just backpedaled away back into the general sentiment and then proceeded to lord over your 'victory' over the responder in multiple iterations.
Basically T_D tactics here. Maybe try to create a salient point that can't be so broadly interpreted due to deliberate omission, and try again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, for or against having people raped in prison? If you are going to chime in you must now take a side.
alexleafs522 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, a broad generalization of a complex issue. Am I for or against rape. Hmmm, a toughie I will say.
Honestly, you goofballs acting as if the prison industrial complex will change based around the issue of rape being 'relied' upon as a form of justice in prison is laughable. The prison system has way bigger overhauls that need to occur to even ban such behavior. What do you do with the guy who rapes the rapist of the 4 year old? More prison time? More solitary?
See how it's not as reductionist as rape=bad therefore change it. It's gonna require a more thoughtful solution than snide responses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The start of this conversation was from a guy advocating prison rape. I said we should not be looking for our prisoner to be raped as a means of revenge. You chose me as the one to attack? If you think my original comment is snide then surely you would think the one I responded to was snide as well. Are you sending that dude messages? Sounds like you have a bias... for rape.
alexleafs522 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you have a convenient worldview that anyone who disagrees with you must condone rape.
Good god, get over yourself. The world isn't that black and white. I chose to respond to you because of how unbearably arrogant you sound without the logic and reasoning to back that up. If you had a strong point, you didn't need to deride the person you were responding too in such a childish manner. Can ya maybe see how that makes you look wrong even though you are arguing for the perspective that I would agree more with?
And for fuck's sake, because I guess it needs to be spelled out to you - No I do not condone rape. I condone harsh punishments for rape. Blegh, you won't frankly 'get it' so I am just gonna bow out here. I've said my piece. You will continue to parrot yours.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing the word salient doesn't mean you wrote anything meaningful here. Maybe try to actually follow the thread from the top and you will find saliency. Salient. Mmm.
alexleafs522 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, a pretty obvious attempt at sidestepping any form of argument or point here.
I recommend you remove your face from your rectum- though I know the smell is irresistable- and perhaps walk away knowing that you definitely owned everyone in this thread who attempts to reply to your sordid logic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, again... pro-rape or not? It should be an easy answer.
Maditen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% this, "Break the Wheel", we will not cease to breed mentally ill citizens in our society if we continue to wish harm on one another.
sir_whirly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eye for an eye. Kinda reminds you how much sway the protestant beliefs have in America.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're on the right track, but I think it's specifically Calvinism that is at work here. The Nordic countries are all protestant in character, but it's mostly Lutheranism.
America is the only major country that is Calvinist in character, and it shows.
jeffsoff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you have so much sympathy for a person who has fucked up another human being for life.
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jeffsoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're going overboard. The argument was an eye for an eye.
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jeffsoff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the rest of the thread you'd see that argument. But instead of doing that, you decided it's better to argue with me some more. Kudos to you.
The person I replied to is against an eye for an eye. The argument is not whether or not the person did it. It's that the person who did it should or should not face a similar act. My comment was based off of my own opinion that people who do terrible things don't deserve sympathy, especially if they are affecting the life of someone so young. Everyone in this thread is making their opinion known. You've done so. I've done so. Let it go. The only reason I'm replying back to you is because of your ludicrous argument against my opinion, suggesting that bullies should be raped as well. You're reading into things. Let it go.
If you are questioning how molestation and rape can affect a child, then I recommend you spend some time on pubmed.
factorialite ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reciprocity in punishment is ingrained into our DNA. It is the first widely known codified form of Justice. I don't think it is right but in this instance it's hard to get over that primal urge.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's most likely not true. Probably the oldest punishment in any human society is ejection from the tribe. It was effectively a death sentence, but I think it was fundamentally different in character. "You think you don't need us and our good will toward you? Fine; have it your way."
dcfunk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you, and I don't disagree so please do not put words in my mouth. He did not rape her, he assaulted (touched) her. It is not clear to what extent, but the article leads the reader to believe the only physical harm to the daughter were lacerations from the knife.
His words (and actions) must have been psychologically traumatizing for the daughter, and that is what I wish upon him - fear, not rape. The utter panic of being in a situation in which you have no control.
While I do not believe in "an eye for an eye," I do believe sometimes empathy requires personal experience.
AerThreepwood ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:27:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I've spent nearly 4 years locked up. I did 45 days AdSeg time for stomping a ChiMo out in the middle of the pod. But I also really fucking hate that the implied punishment in our Justice system is to be brutalized like it's a package deal. That's not Justice, it's revenge and I don't think it's something our government should be in the business of, by action or inaction.
rhymes_with_snoop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with everything you said, but also:
What?
AerThreepwood ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
45 days in an administrative segregation unit (isolation unit, so 23 and 1) for assaulting a child molester in the middle of the unit I was housed in.
monkey_baby_chaser11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a mother of a daughter who was molested at 6 at church, thank you. I understand you're not a fan of the implied justice in prisons, but with amount of pedophiles who are repeat offenders, I believe there should be a 3 strikes you're castrated rule.
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super_saiyan_rob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:32:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look bottom line is if you diddled a kid you deserve to get hit
e90DriveNoEvil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:18:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source, please. This sounds like a fake statistic to prove your point, especially when you consider how many sexual assaults/molestations are either never reported or not reported until decades later.
MayneEnyam ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 15:24:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape isnt the answer to rape...
frostfromfire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a legal standpoint, no. From an emotional standpoint of desiring "eye for an eye", yes it is. Very big difference between what's allowed and what people actually want to do.
flaggrandall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no logical answer to rape. Those who rape are sick, and can't get cured.
SevenDollar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems to me that we should ship them off to an island like they have an infectious disease. Like a lepur colony for rapists. Escape from NY/LA style. Maybe one day they'll turn into Australia.
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Egomania101 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Rapists shouldn't get raped? That makes no sense.
lasershurt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:34:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you never heard of "two wrongs do not make a right"? Why would doing a bad thing again somehow make anything better?
wynaut_23 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:48:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOBODY SHOULD GET RAPED. Thats why we're putting him in jail right? Because rape is illegal, well you dont seem to feel same way about rape when its in prison. It creates a terrible system that just leads to more rape.
MrPillarOfRed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ohhh that makes sense. Drug dealers should be given drugs in prison too, dealers shouldnt be dealt drugs?
Or what about people who get caught using drugs? Maybe we should make the drugs use them!
Egomania101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drugs are none of my concern. I don't believe in punishing drug users, because in my view they are doing nothing wrong. Rehabilitation for them is possible and wise.
SevenDollar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why everyone is so against vengeful prison rapes, but it's great that this lady stabbed the pedo with a pocket knife 5 times? It's not okay for these assholes to receive a little tribal justice, but admirable when the father beats them death with his bare hands? I guess I just don't know how to Reddit.
thehellbean ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self defense of a third party vs societally supported institutional cruel and unusual punishments. Also, it flip flops a lot depending on where you go, even in this thread there are places where people advocating prison rape are getting upvoted and places where they're getting downvoted, it's definitely a divisive topic on here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why you aren't a law professional. I guess people who shoplift should not only get the stolen items taken back from them but take an article of clothing from their wardrobe in addition.
fireworkpt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they don't, they need to be locked up and serve legal punishment for the crimes they commited, following that logic, you'd have an endless chain of rapes, since the guy who raped the rapist should get raped too after, etc...
That's why there are laws, otherwise it would be a complete shitshow like most american prisons are.
Teethpasta ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:26:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're advocating for rape. I think you should join him in prison outside of society for awhile.
Thr0wdemthangz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adult time out, if you will.
dcfunk ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You read between the lines and jumped to conclusions. I never stated "I hope he gets raped." So, fuck you. I think you should join him in prison outside of society for awhile.
Teethpasta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone knows what "this is what it is like in prison when you have a boyfriend means" don't play stupid.
SoundOfDrums ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not justice, that's retribution. Not that our prisons seem to put any real effort into rehabilitation.
Egomania101 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Retribution isn't justice?
SoundOfDrums ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justice is societal retribution according to the law. Retribution is against the law due to the lack of legality.
Egomania101 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Societal retribution according to the law. Laws change, so such a flimsy definition does nothing to convince me of any serious moral quandary relating to prisoners getting raped. I am against prison rape only because of the fact that some convicts are innocent of their crimes.
SoundOfDrums ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, congrats on being pro-rape. I'm going to stay on the sane side here though.
Egomania101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was never pro rape cuz i wouldn't want to be raped. Since I don't want to be raped I am against rape in prisons.
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Egomania101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:17:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is stealing equal to murder? Wtf
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Egomania101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no car thief so I don't have a problem with you serving punishment as you see fit. If someone steals an apple for you and you kill them, then other people might have a problem.
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Egomania101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:52 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then I have to defend myself.
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Egomania101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:12 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same thinking applies to any judge sentencing a convict. The convict IMO is justified in punishing the judge for punishing him. This is just looked down upon becuz it would cause other chaos. Just because something upsets the order of things doesn't mean it is wrong.
I'm not a fucking sentimentalist.
Hypertroph ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:23:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's okay to wish rape on him? No. Don't sink to that guy's level. Normalizing prison rape is not okay, even for monsters like this guy.
largemanrob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it fair to say that I don't like America's prison culture but I wouldn't be upset if anything were to happen for such an unrepentant cunt?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:44:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you like it when humans get raped under particular circumstances. Keep that opinion to yourself.
largemanrob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me not being upset doesn't mean I like rape lol, I'm not the strawman you're looking for
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only it were a strawman to your comment.
Hypertroph ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think rape is a level we should sink to. I understand you're angry about this, and feeling justifiably vindictive, but rape is not a level we need to do to. We're better than the "eye for an eye" mentality.
largemanrob ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah yeah now I've had a half hour to mull it over I agree with you. I definitely believe law should be written without the hotheadedness people feel as their immediate reaction.
Hypertroph ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was an uncharacteristically humble response that I don't often see on reddit.
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e90DriveNoEvil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No expert, but I'm pretty sure a guy that climbs on top of a 12 year old, then tries to justify his actions by claiming she had feelings for him qualifies as "an unrepentant cunt" by most standards.
largemanrob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:15:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
read my response to the other guy i cba to write it out again
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sk_latigre ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:03:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, if you go to prison for sexually assaulting a child, they usually try to keep you away from general population and stick you with other child molesters. Cause if they mix them with the other guys, they'll most likely just get jumped and killed within the first week
MikeNew513 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on what facility he is sent to in Ohio he could pretty safe. Ohio Department of Corrections separates sex offenders, child molesters, and former law enforcement officers from Gen pop inmate's.
chronicphonics ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe in the fking article
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why do people feel like men getting raped in prison is a good thing? Somehow I don't see you supporting raping women as part of their prison sentence, even of they were there for sexual assault. I would prefer no one gets raped personally.
alwaysintosomethin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude, don't advocate for that. It'd be just as satisfying just to beat the guy up on a regular basis, steal his commissary, hang up his phone while he's on it, yell and scream at him and just punk him on the regular. Maybe if you're lucky he'll just do himself in cuz he can't handle it anymore, and the world will have lost nobody of value.
_MKUltraViolet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but how is rape ever exceptable? What makes prison rape justified? Eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Noob3rt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry about that. If he goes to jail, which I hope he will, he will get his. There is a "totem pole" in the prison system, it doesn't really matter where you are in the world, that says pedophiles (there are different kinds to this as well) are the lowest of the low. You steal from your grandma? They'll shrug it off but you rape a kid? You're going to end up beaten, raped or dead.
wynaut_23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as i hate child molestors and he desrves to go away for a long time lets not support the corruption that is the prison system by condoing prison rape. Sure this guy deserves to be raped by a baseball bat with nail but there are people in jail for non violent offenses, like weed, who are being raped because there isnt enough outrage about this.
And no, "if you dont want to get raped, dont go to jail" is not a valid defense.
ProbablyStuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A small guy goes into an elevator, looks up and notices a huge dude standing next to him. The big dude looks down upon the small guy and says, โ7 feet tall, 350 pounds, 20 inch penis, 3 pound left testicle, 3 pound right testicle, Turner Brown.โ The small guy faints.
The big dude picks up the small guy and brings him to, slapping his face and shaking him and asks the small guy, โWhatโs wrong with you?โ
The small guy says, โExcuse me, but what did you say?โ
The big dude looks down and says, โ7 feet tall, 350 pounds, 20 inch penis, 3 pound left testicle, 3 pound right testicle, Turner Brown.โ
The small guy says, โThank God! I thought you said โTurn aroundโ.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You raped someone? What a horrible, disgusting act. You should be raped, that's justice."
Reddy_McRedcap ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the prison population finds out he's in there for sexually assaulting a minor (which they will) then they will make sure he gets his justice served daily.
hamakabi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:20:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not justice, it's punishment. If you think that rape is an appropriate punishment for rape, you should say that, instead of implying that it's justice.
Reddy_McRedcap ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't implying rape, I was saying they'd beat him for being a pedophile. Given the fact that everyone is screaming that this woman should have stabbed him more, I thought him being punched in the face by prisoners seemed fair also.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mother killing the rapist of their daughter, in the moment, is quite different than outsourcing it to people that are, in theory, supposed to be reintegrated to society.
Reddy_McRedcap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not outsourcing anything. That actually happens. Pedophiles usually need to be sectioned off for their own protection in jails and prisons, because once it's known what they did, the population will attack them for attacking children. You know what? They fucking deserve it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not punishment, vengeange. They are advocating for revenge. Justice involves punishment already. Their sentence. The rest is revenge fantasy.
Roast_A_Botch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't happen much anymore. If they can afford $20/week they will be protected by a gang. Anyone who attacks the chomo will be smashed while Chester gets to enjoy his time worry free. If you can't afford the protection money you check in to PC as soon as you arrive and enjoy your time with like-minded individuals. That bullshit is what disillusioned me from the "brotherhood". They don't give a shit about kids, it's just an extortion tactic.
Marhlow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which brotherhood?
ColdRevenge76 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not him, but the only brotherhood I know about in the penal system is Aryan. Apparently I have a cousin in it in the Ohio system. Never met him, and he will never get out, but I have heard from people who had the misfortune of knowing him, that his group is who runs what they consider society in prison. They control who gets what, vengeance, drugs, etc.. They do awful things, and somehow get respect for it. One story I heard was that they set a pedophile on fire. That's supposedly why he's never getting out. I'm good with keeping him locked up until he dies.
rareas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:00:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why airplanes used to let you onboard with a pocket knife. Too short to kill.
eggn00dles ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once in the back of the head.
PM_ME_UR_KNOT_GRL ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is true, she should have went right for the neck.
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XXTwnz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:34:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably from years of watching The Walking Dead she thought stabbing people in the head is easy.
PM_ME_UR_KNOT_GRL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming the story we are being told is the total truth (I try not to judge a case before I know all the actual details), then that mother is a hero in my eyes.
Still, I've heard enough stories where a woman attacks her husband/boyfriend and makes up excuses for it. And vice versa.
TheKolbrin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:07:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have aimed a bit lower.
PlayerOneBegin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. Stab the toe nails and lift them off. COMPLETELY OFF.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ you guys need to chill out. What the guy did was fucking horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, and I agree that he deserves punishment, but literal torture is where I'd draw the line. They're still another human being that feels shit, it's the same as torturing a monkey because it exists and literally just does horrible shit it doesn't need to do because it's a primal fucking animal. Lock the asshat up, keep him away from any human contact for the rest of his life but what's the point of Guantanomoing him? It shouldn't offer you any more satisfaction than just putting him in max-sec unless you're just as primal and fucked in the head they are. I can very well assume this will receive no upvotes at all, but try to understand that physically torturing him doesn't make you any better than they are.
PlayerOneBegin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmaooo holy shit dude it was just a play off the parent comment
Sorry you had to write all of that for literally no reason lmaooo ๐
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmaooo I can't really give a shit because it wasn't even a funny playyyyyy
Sorry you have to be bad at jokes lmaooo ๐
PlayerOneBegin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ok buddy? Did all that unnecessary writing really get to you like that? ๐
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ok buddy? Did all this unnecessary trolling really get to you like that? ๐
PlayerOneBegin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. You mad. Lmaoooo ๐๐๐ I trolled you sooo hard that you furiously wrote a paragraph, and I mean a legit paragraph of an internet comment! Lmaoooooo๐๐๐ By the way I didn't read it. Lmaooo ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. You mad. Lmaooo ๐๐๐ I trolled you sooo hard back that you're furiously trying to come up with a funny retort! Lmaooooooo๐๐๐ By the way I know you wanna suck a massive horse cock. Lmaooo ๐๐๐
PlayerOneBegin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Projecting a giant dick in your mouth now? Wowwwwwwww lmaooo ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I bet you want a big ole sloppy Johnson down your throat. Wayyyyyyyyyy down there ๐๐๐
PM_ME_UR_KNOT_GRL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The gut? If he's raping a kid cutting his dick off won't make him a better person.
dubdub11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think your autocorrect jumped in there on that body part.
PM_ME_UR_KNOT_GRL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I mean neck. If I saw some dude on top of my kid either me or him would be leaving in a body bag.
Goongagalunga ยท 257 points ยท Posted at 15:04:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus... So, I was molested by my grandfather when I was 9 (or something, i have no idea, maybe 12? Its blocked out...) anyway, told my parents that day and my dad had always said, "If anyone fucks with you, Ill kill him!" But they didnt do anything. He just kept living with us for years. Pleeeeeease, if you find someone messing with your kid, stab a motherfucker! My best friend was brutally raped when she was 13. Her dad and brothers didnt kill that guy, either! Goddammit!
LoveMyLibrary ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel sick knowing that happened to you. I really do. I hope you have every good and loving thing in the world happen to you!
Goongagalunga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thx. It ruins your life, but my ruined life is pretty sweet. I learned a lot.
SweetToothKane ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimately, if anyone does anything like this to my daughter, related or not, best friend or not, wife or not, it will take everything in my power to not kill them. They certainly wouldn't be allowed to live with me or my daughter. I'm so sorry that happened and that your father didn't even come close to sticking to his word.
Goongagalunga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its all politics. My mom got in his way. I learned a lot about priorities and loyalty.
My_Body_The_Mystery ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:23:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The consequences are really light if you step back and let the law take its course. I think that if the rapist, especially if its a relative a family friend etc, can build a case that spurns doubt into the charges and they either get off easy or don't get charged at all. It seems that rape is one of those crimes that only vigilante justice cures.
harleygwengirl ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:01:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The consequences are NOTHING, in my experience. Imagine being a mother and going to the police to tell them that your 4 year old has just informed you that her grandfather has raped her, and the police response is to accuse said mother of sexually molesting her own child? That was my mother's experience. They gave her a lie detector test which she failed. She failed it because she was dealing with the fact that a million horrendous memories she had blocked out about her own abuse were overwhelming her mind at the time. She failed it because lie detector tests are bullshit. The police also called me an "unreliable witness". I tested positive for chlamydia, at four years old. I described how a MAN, my own grandfather, raped me. I (or possibly my brother) reported that my grandfather had choked my brother and told him if he ever told what he saw, the same would happen to him. All this was told to the police... in the end my rapist got away with it because my therapist and my mother refused to allow others to damage me further by putting a 4 year old on the stand to testify. My grandfather was disowned by the entire family.
It is really important for me to also mention that you NEVER tell my brother what to do, because he will do the exact opposite. He said something to our mother one day, and from there I was able to report the abuse. He was 2 years old at the time, 3 at most. Before he could form proper sentences himself, my baby brother helped me find my voice. He is my own personal savior and guardian angel.
I'm sorry I've dumped such major fucked up TMI on you haha but thanks for listening.
My_Body_The_Mystery ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem. I was lucky to be spared of this kind of experience. From a crime aspect in is interesting because it is such a tremendous mountain for the victims themselves to climb in order to get the most minimal justice. People attack and criticize and question the victims and how they reacted. It's like wondering why someone who got hit by a car didn't run to a phonebooth to call for help when he had broken legs. I am so so sorry that you went through that and your mom and your brother too. There are no consequences bad enough for your grandfather.
harleygwengirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your really kind words!
And there were some consequences for my grandfather. He lost his entire family. They all disowned him. My mom threatened him with a knife at one point and my father stuck a shotgun in his face. I genuinely thank god that neither of them killed him, because I can guarantee that they would have faced harsher consequences for killing a child-rapist than he faced for being one.
My_Body_The_Mystery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure your grandfather died a victim also. I am sure he never accepted that he did something bad. It's specific to that kind of mind
harleygwengirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I totally agree. His favorite thing to call his daughters was the "C" word. Apparently he wrote my mother a letter once calling me that specific thing, as well as accusing me of being a liar. He was incapable to feeling any sort of remorse because he was an absolute sociopath. It didn't help that my grandmother was an enabler who blamed my mother when my mother tried to tell on her father. My grandmother died of cancer when she was 59 or 60. I like to think it ate her alive from the inside out. That probably sounds terribly cold to say about my own grandmother, but she's nearly as responsible as her husband for what happened to my mother.
Goongagalunga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! Yep. No one in the injustice system can comprehend this stuff. I hope our generation can shine more light on it, but who would really understand the impact? I mean, this jackass just told me that some other jackass "proved" that my memory isnt blocked out๐๐๐ Im sorry about your piece-of-shit grandfather and happy for you to have a hero brother. I have one too. And Ill bet youre a super cool person to hang out with!
harleygwengirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gosh I sure wish people thought I was a super cool person to hang out with! Haha! My social anxiety and also an extreme lack of social skills make friendships hard. I have a boyfriend who adores me though and the feeling is absurdly mutual. Whenever I start to feel shitty about the past and all the awful things that have happened to me, I just remind myself that the person he loves is the person shaped by those events, and also it was destiny that we were meant to be together and every step I took in life, good or bad, led me to the love of my life. Hell, I'd suffer it all again just to meet him. I also have a terrible memory so most of the bad shit has faded from my mind, to be replaced by memories of a life suddenly worth living. ๐
Goongagalunga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome! So psyched for you both!!! Theres nothing better!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are an incredibly brave person. I've been diagnosed as DID because of all I went through but I can't come out with a cohesive history like that. But I do understand and I so admire you for being able to say it out like that.
harleygwengirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:02:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for your kind words. I don't know if I'm brave, though. I just think of myself as a survivor. I've had to survive a lot. Haha.
I'm so sorry for whatever you went through that left you with a diagnosable condition like DID. I had a friend years ago who I think probably had the same condition because of the abuse she suffered at the hands of her own father. It's really terrible when abuse leave such a deep scar. Don't get me wrong, I have my own long list of diagnosis, from bi-polar disorder to social anxiety to (shockingly! Hahaha) PTSD. Those are all pretty hard to live with, but I do thank god that he gave me only as many nonsense mental illnesses as I could handle, and not a bit more (so far! Ha!).
If you ever need someone to talk to, feel free to PM me. I'm not exactly the picture of "successful human being" myself (far from it! LoL) but I do try to be a good listener whenever someone needs to talk. I know exactly what it's like to have no one to talk to, so I try to offer an ear (or eyes at least haha) to everyone.
AllTheGoodSh_tGone ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:45:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather was molesting my mom and her sister growing up. Instead of removing him from their lives, they clung even harder to him after the protection order ended. Then somewhere along the line someone groomed me. People like this, family or not, need to be dealt with way more firmly than they are. He served a 9 month sentence with work release for what he did. That's nowhere near enough for tainting two generations' childhoods.
Goongagalunga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Its unclear to me whether its worse to murder someone or just destroy a child forever... Im so sorry about your busted ass family. Your grandfather's a monster. What do you mean someone "groomed" you?
AllTheGoodSh_tGone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grooming is a tactic pedophiles use to "prepare" children for whatever sexual acts they may be trying to commit with said child. It often comes in the form of exposure to graphic sexual content in order to normalize the predators behavior. I don't have any memories of being molested, I may have been too young or it just didn't happen. But someone was preparing me for it, as there have been some behaviors and knowledge I've had from a young age that have had a severe, lasting impact on my life. It's taken a lot of therapy and professional guidance to see all the signs for what they were.
That being said, since coming to reddit, I have found some lovely support groups and have been writing about my experiences. It's very healing. Thank you for your condolences. And thank you for calling him out, hahaha. He recently got published in the news for saving kittens and it kind of made me sick to see him praised for.. well, anything.
My_Body_The_Mystery ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You cant be disappointed in how the victims react. They are injured and reflect their injuries differently than someone who broke an arm or a leg. I think religions sometimes promise us hell and eternal suffering for people who do bad stuff. I fear that there are no consequences at all. Life is so painful and so harsh sometimes. I am sorry your family went through that. How horrible.
AllTheGoodSh_tGone ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:58:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I can be disappointed that I ended up getting caught up in it. My mom just did all the shit he did to her, to me. I should never have been put in the situation I was, and there was a chance to prevent it when it happened to the first generation. I have patience for people choosing how they heal up until it affects the lives of others.
And thank you for your condolences. Things are never truly black and white.
Goongagalunga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:08:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A local guy did hard time for beating almost to death a guy who raped his sister. Hes a hero around here.
My_Body_The_Mystery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the rapist. A friend of mine grew up in a logging town. His friend and the gang went to the city to fetch his drug addicted sister's pimp and dumped him in the woods after pulling his teeth out and breaking his fingers. This is all heresay and nothing ended up in the papers but makes for a satisfying story.
marvingmarving ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fuck do you live?
Goongagalunga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:34:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Califuckinfornia, Man. Anywhere, USA! Earth! Its filled with complete pieces-of-shit, havnt ya heard?
marvingmarving ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:37:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know of no one that's been raped, murdered, attempted murdered, car jacked, or kidnapped.
I think Canada is better for that
TatterhoodsGoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian here. I didn't when I was younger, either. Then That changed and I realized my former reality was part blissful ignorance and a whole pile of insulated privelege bubble. You very likely do know people who've been raped who have never felt the desire to disclose this to you. It's also true that poverty is an enormous risk factor for having all kinds of bad things happen to you, and that people tend to be surrounded mostly by people with the same economic status as themselves. We also tend to gravitate towards people with similar life experiences. So most of my friends growing up were middle-class kids who enjoyed school, were involved in extra-cirricular activities, and came from relatively happy families with functional and supportive parents. The friends I made later in life who'd had some pretty traumatic experiences had struggled in school, gravitated to people who understood what it was like to be dealing with shit, and self-medicated in a variety of ways that would have made teenage me lable them "bad kids". We would have mutually avoided each other had we met earlier in life. I also found out when I was older that, despite our lower risk factors, there were things that had happened to my own family members that I'd had no clue about.
Kidnapping is overwhelmingly done by non-custodial parents and not randomly.
bluemorpheus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:18:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a /s? There's a huge difference between not doing anything and going on a revenge tour. Easier said than done, but that's the point right? These people should be out on trial for rape. Of course saving people like the case in this story. Where she defended her daughter and in the heat of the moment is different than planning to revenge murder.
Goongagalunga ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt actually mean I would have liked them to murder people after the fact, but was just referencing that both our fathers had told us, "If anyone does that to you, Ill kill him!"
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:14:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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brunsw1ck ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:16:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I feel like there is definitely more effective ways of handling this without murder.
BaeSeanHamilton ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if we had a organization where they would investigate wrong doing and put people someplace that secludes them from society. Hmmmm
Goongagalunga ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like that one time I turned a guy who was step-father to 5 girls I grew up with and was raping them all and forced the one my age to abort his baby in 8th grade in to the police and he got a fucking year in county jail??????
BaeSeanHamilton ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:08:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, let's just skip the justice system and murder people instead.
ZombieLibrarian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if we had them start doing this, who would step up to oppress all the minorities?
_eL_T_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. Death is the appropriate penalty for child molestation.
brunsw1ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think people shut just murder people no problem...or should they be given the death penalty....two different things my g.
zorua ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:36:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... you don't have to kill them, just hurt them a lot.
Jorgwalther ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said anything about "just because you have a penis" they made a gender neutral statement, didn't say a man needed to defend them
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wutsluvgot2dowitit ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's men stuff! Sexism is cool when it's men being treated unfairly!
TrumpsDignity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:17:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry that happened to you and I can sympathize. I don't get why people don't fucking take care of these shit people. Child molesters ruin the lives of these children.
Iorith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because vigilante "justice" is stupid as shit. Trial by a jury of your peers or bust.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:33:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you'd change your tune if someone assaulted someone close to you and you learned just how often sex offenders either just completely get off with no charges or get a light sentence.
Iorith ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:36:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be right, but there's a reason we don't let people who are personally involved handle the court case. Justice is supposed to be blind, not an appeal to emotion. What you're talking about is vengeance, not justice.
purplecanecity ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:42:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. As Iorith said, you don't just carry out vigilante justice. We don't get to drive around in a van full of guns like the Punisher and shoot everyone up. You either get over it, or press charges. You don't become loony and stock up on weapons.
endlesscartwheels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The alternative is being one-eyed or blind while the person who attacked you keeps their sight and faces no consequences.
purplecanecity ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you'd prefer all countries to nuke each other (eye for an eye) rather than us live in peace with no consequences to a few mad men (north korea, iran, russia, china)?
endlesscartwheels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd prefer that nobody nuke each other, but if someone attacks you and you don't make them suffer for that attack, they have no reason not to do it again.
Goongagalunga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuke the rapists!
WriterV ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, this just sounds bloodthirsty than actually trying to get at justice. I'm sorry you had to go through what happened, but that doesn't mean you should go on a killing spree and justify murder.
Instead report it, get him/her arrested, and they will be taken to court. Fight in court for them to get the right punishment.
Murdering others only ruins people. It harms the person doing the killing, and also doesn't really solve a whole lot.
Goongagalunga ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:31:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Just get your nine-year-old ass up to the court house (against your own mother's wishes) and get some justice for yoself! Murder that piece-of-shit and bury him in the back yard. Looking at you, Mom.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's never good to take revenge. We should not let ourselves be overcome by bloodlust. Of course if you happen to be in a situation where you must use knives to defend yourself and/or your kids then I wouldn't say anything about that...
But the Scripture says in Romans 12:19-21 -
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
...my opinion.
endlesscartwheels ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing happened to the vast majority of child-raping priests. Some are still living in luxury in Vatican City, which refuses to extradite them.
Goongagalunga ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok yes, but somehow it doesnt apply when acting on someone elses behalf, whose protection you are charged with. I will walk my child up to anyone who tries this shit and let her or him (i have two kids) watch me punch this loser in the face! Then the bastard can have some water. If my kid says its ok.
matt-s-perrin ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:32:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's blocked out" yeah that's proven to not be a thing.
Goongagalunga ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:44:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? I literally cannot recall any of the standard "marking events" one associates with any regular memory, ie; 'that was the year i got a pony for christmas,' or, 'it was summer.' Its totally frustrating! Id love to pinpoint it, but some self-preservationist inside me just says, 'sush dont fret.'
matt-s-perrin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:48:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just means you have bad memory. It's not related to those events.
thisjetlife ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:25:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this but I'm not using names and it was years ago. My mom served jury duty in Detroit for a woman who was on trial for pulling a gun on her boyfriend. Her boyfriend was abusive and she discovered that he had been molesting her 7 year old daughter as well. She told him to get out of her house, and he beat her pretty badly. So she went down the street and borrowed her neighbors gun. There were no bullets in the clip, but the guy didn't know that. She pulled it on him and told him he could either die right there or leave. They arrested her for having an illegal gun, and some other charges I don't remember. She was acquitted on all charges and went free.
bandalooper ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 14:54:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The [inmate] said that the man told [him] "this is what it is like in [prison] when you [rape kids]," before [savagely brutalizing him], the report says. "
...fingers crossed
Edit: there's dictionaries y'all could look at, but brutalize โ sodomize. It means to treat with brutality.
2nd edit: I didn't and never would advocate anyone getting raped. I wouldn't normally advocate violence either but I hope this guy gets his ass beat and then the guards beat him and then the paramedics beat him and then the orderlies drop him on the floor and then the doctors beat him and then he's put in solitary and when he gets out, I hope the girl he raped beats his ass.
randomevenings ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 15:05:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody should ever get raped.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Antinous ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:03:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is not a punishment in any civilized society. The very concept of that is abhorrent.
randomevenings ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the mother stabbed the rapist. I'm OK with that.
awry_lynx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah uh that doesn't fix anything. You could kill every human on earth but "rape" is not under the category "punishment". Do you honestly think rape is a punishment for committing even the worst crimes?
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:12:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you yourself are a rapist, you should absolutely get raped.
randomevenings ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:18:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody. should. ever. get. raped. Why is that so complicated?
Prison rape is literally rape culture, and we can't ignore it. It should never be used as punishment because this justifies the use of rape and the existence of rapists. Fuck that.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And why shouldn't serial rapists and child predators get the same treatment that they inflict on others?
Why is that so complicated?
randomevenings ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:20:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because then you are basically saying rape is OK in some context. Rape is not OK.
taaayloor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you and what you said about rape culture, but to play devil's advocate; do you believe in death row?
randomevenings ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:31:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I don't believe in our current justice system.
taaayloor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay cool, I don't either.
gafftapes10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death penalty is not a good punishment and should be ended.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:27:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I am saying that. Let prisoners take care of their own peers.
randomevenings ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:32:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is basically saying, let poor people suffer. The prison system is used to house the poor. So long as our justice system is pay to play, our prisons are a human rights disaster.
They should be for rehabilitation, not punishment, if we actually cared about society. The rich would not be able to avoid prison, and black people and poor people wouldn't be disadvantaged.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying "let rapists suffer." Don't put words in my mouth. Your whole argument about "poor people" is a straw man.
I'm talking about rapists, people who rape, being punished for raping people in an appropriate way.
randomevenings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rapists that get sent to jail are the poor ones. The rich ones aren't in jail. They aren't affected by the registry either because they can live anywhere and they don't need jobs. Our system is designed to fuck the poor. It is not designed to keep rapists out of society. Understand what I'm saying?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then let's fix that. Then there's no problem.
Christoh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only. If you think about it, some of the 1% are literally holding back the progression of mankind, for example, we still heavily depend on coal/oil.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a whole different argument we could spend days on. I think we've exhausted the argument at hand though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get that it's not something for the law to decide. Let the prisoners they're around decide that.
loserlame ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me realize, there are some poor innocent souls in prison wrongly convicted of rape.
gafftapes10 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because it makes zero sense from a societal standpoint. it legitimizes rape as acceptable in certain contexts. This bring society as a whole down to the level of the rapists. it turns into an eye for an eye punishment that does nothing to reform offenders and doesn't give offenders an opportunity to be rehabilitated. by treated the worst of humanity with dignity society gets better.
Rehabilitation is always a better end goal than punishment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't rehab a pedophile. It's like trying to rehab someone's sexual orientation. And I'm not equating LGBT to pedophiles. But as far as we know, being a pedophile is a "hardware" issue, for the most part.
gafftapes10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However we can do our best to rehabilitate those people. Raping someone isn't going to accomplish anything but leave those people more broken. Perhaps instead we can focus on stopping and preventing those behaviors. Redirecting those impulses into a positive behavior.
We can study and observe the neurology and genetics and predispositions so we can practice early intervention and perhaps work towards a cure. Maybe with a greater understanding and improvement with gene editing such as crispr we could make great strides in treatment of pedophiles.
Raping them isn't progress if anything it's a slide back towards unenlightened thought and towards baser human emotions.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is that we should always be trying, because that's what the system as a whole should be geared towards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At one point do we say we're wasting resources and time by trying to help you? Some people cannot be helped.
rprkjj ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:16:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't see the problem with using rape as a punishment?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not for serial rapists and child predators. Why shouldn't they get the same horrific treatment they've inflicted on others?
However, I understand that that isn't a good idea in practice. Only in theory.
OnAccountOfTheJews ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:36:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sentiment is so based in hazardous emotion it is sickening. I hope someone like you never ends up on a jury.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually studying to be an attorney. And that's why I said this isn't sustainable in practice. I would never work to institute a law like this because it's a slippery slope. It'd also be a nightmare to regulate logistically.
I believe in the law, above all else. If you rape, you go to jail. What happens after that is not my decision.
PM_ME_YOUR_DOOM ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:18:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're wrong and an awful person if you think that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I'm not. Rapists put a horrible amount of suffering on their victims and I see no reason why they shouldn't get that suffering right back. Why shouldnt they understand what they've done to other people? Why shouldn't they feel as helpless as the women and children they've pinned down and raped in their own homes?
It's fucking ridiculous that they get off with their psyches intact after ripping someone else's to shreds.
kasuchans ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been raped. They should be thrown in prison, a psychologically harmful and damaging situation, and punished accordingly. But I don't believe in using rape as a punishment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been assaulted as well. We just have different viewpoints on this.
kasuchans ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair. I just think that this sort of mindset is part of the larger culture that believes rape is justified in certain scenarios. I don't think we should make a society where rape is "right" in any situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe in a karmic university. You get what you give. If you choose to give someone a lifetime of trauma, you should get that back. I guess ultimately the universe decides what's enough.
dontsuckmydick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the huge number of people that are falsely convicted?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I've ever seen a child rapist get falsely convicted.
randomevenings ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen it. Mother said the father raped the daughter. The daughter wasn't allowed to testify because she would have said he did not rape her. The father went to prison for child rape. He gets out, the daughter gets emancipated and moves in with him because the mother was a horrible abuser that lied to put her father in prison. Father is too poor to mount an appeal. He has a job, and his daughter is safe now, but the mother is walking free and he served hard time for something he didn't do.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's bullshit the kid wasn't allowed to testify. That is, however, an outlier. I'm also not saying it should be put into legal practice. Someone else pointed out it falls under the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. I get that. But I don't think prisoners should be stopped from taking care of their own.
randomevenings ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe prisoners should be denied basic human rights.
mitchy94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we put way too much pride in being a human. I know I will get downvoted to hell for this but let's say a dog raped a girl what would happen? It would be put down for sure. What about a horse? Or monkey? They'd be put down.
What is the difference between humans and animals? We know better, we communicate, we have empathy? So a human being who knows better, can feel empathy, and can communicate knowing the person says no, or is too young. They CHOOSE to disregard that, CHOOSE to use that person as essentially a sexual object. They are not a human, they are a monster and should be treated as such!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say prisoners. I said rapists. If rapists are prisoners, so be it.
randomevenings ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:40:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There wouldn't be nearly as many rapists if we didn't have our prison industrial complex in the first place. Generations of poor and minorities being sent to prison for bullshit, this is what you get. A culture of pay for play justice, this is what you get. A large voting block that tolerates and even embraces fascism, misogyny, anti-intellectualism, this is what you get.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely disagree. You don't get rapists from the prison system. You may get thieves and drug dealers, because we give people who are released no way to find jobs and support themselves. But prison doesn't make murderers or rapists. People are already murderers and rapists before they go in.
If my view is toxic, so is yours, since you actually believe rape is justified by people going to prison and being made into rapists.
randomevenings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes it does, lol. At least here in the USA.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Lol" no it doesn't. You can't seriously argue that being in prison is justification for being a rapist. That takes so much blame off rapists for their actions.
randomevenings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our prison system is so much more horrifying than many middle class Americans will ever know.
dontsuckmydick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better 1000 guilty go free than 1 innocent go to prison.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's... completely unreasonable...
dontsuckmydick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's your reasonable acceptable number? One guilty person for each innocent? Unlimited innocent people in prison as long as we catch all of them that are guilty?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'd say 25 prisoners to one innocent person is fairly reasonable. After that it's not as reasonable. 500 is in fairly solid ridiculous territory. But 1,000 rapists, murderers, and thieves going free so Steve doesn't go to jail? Fuck that.
dontsuckmydick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me your tune would change if your name was Steve.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe but I bet your tune would change if you/ your families were a victim of a crime and that person walked free to keep Steve out of jail.
dontsuckmydick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd much rather have to guilty guy go free than an innocent one be jailed for it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're okay with it but to endanger that criminal's next victims is selfish.
dontsuckmydick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is jailing an innocent man thereby letting the guilty one go free. The guilty one gets to continue his crimes and the innocent one gets his life and his family's lives ruined to make you feel better.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One life gets ruined or 1,000 other lives get ruined. Guilty people who go free still commit crimes. They don't just magically stop because they didn't get convicted. In fact, they'll most likely commit several. So if 1,000 guilty people commit multiple crimes, that's an even higher number. If every criminal who goes free commits 10 crimes, that's 10,000 people who's lives have been ruined. And that number is only that low if those people have no family.
So no. It's not to make me feel better. I'm going by the numbers. I honestly feel like you're the one who's trying to make themselves feel better with a knee-jerk reaction and not thinking about the consequences of letting 1,000 criminals go free just to save one guy. But to be fair, I'm leaving out petty misdemeanors because this ridiculous scenario usually implies felonies.
dontsuckmydick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point of the saying. It's meant to express that if there's a 1/1000 chance that the person might be innocent, they should go free, not that we should let 1000 obviously guilty people go free for each one that gets wrongly convicted.
Skoma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we should make it part of their sentence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should let prisoners take care of their own. I understand this isn't sustainable in practice.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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randomevenings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's lower than most other crimes, not defending them, but you should at least do your research.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bandalooper ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said anything about rape.
Edit: FFS "savagely brutalize" means "beat the shit out of". The original quote said "sexually assaulted" and I would have left that there if that's what I meant.
Teethpasta ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice save
sk_latigre ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:05:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he is indeed in jail/prison already, I wouldn't doubt that happened. Inmates don't take kindly to child molesters.
kasuchans ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:59:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you mean being beat up and not prison raped, but I definitely agree that that sentence is so vile, it made me vomit in my mouth.
wellactuallyhmm ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:07:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it ok to wish either? I mean, what the guy did is repulsive but we shouldn't be begging for savage beatings or rapes as reprisal.
DerangedGinger ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:19:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's fucked up isn't it. Someone commits a crime so disgusting it makes people want to puke, and then people respond by wanting that person to be brutalized in a similar manner. When people get emotional they throw logic, and sometimes morality, completely out the window.
You'll see people not even skip a beat saying "rape is the worst crime ever and should never happen, I can't believe they would rape someone, I hope they get raped in prison" and the cognitive dissonance never hits them.
Dropbaud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an eye for an eye mentality. I do agree with it in a way tho, we need stronger deterrent's and to make people not even think about doing this to children. It's absolutely the worst thing you can do and I'd put it next to a 2nd degree murder conviction. Because not much beats murder.
DerangedGinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could start by fixing the state of mental health care in this country. Assuming that guy even wanted to get help for his problems it's likely that he couldn't. I knew of a guy (not personally) who went to Charter to try to get help for his urges and they turned him away, and then he ended up in prison for raping a kid. Someone who wanted to not ever become a criminal tried to get help and couldn't, and that was someone who actually had the courage to admit to having a problem and seeking help.
It's not more punishment we need, it's prevention and treatment. This really applies to most crime in general, but in America we've got a raging hardon for harsh prison sentences. We love punishment. The problem is this doesn't help the victim not become a victim and just makes people feel good about hurting a criminal when what we really needs is to reduce crime by attacking the root cause.
Dropbaud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a very thought out reply. I'll have to agree with it, for those who seek help there is non to be found. It does need to be fixed.
864Mountaineer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:33:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a better person than me. I recognize in my rational mind that you are right, but my baser instincts want to see him drawn and quartered
kasuchans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why we have codified laws to make sure we don't do that shit. I understand the mindset, but I don't want it to happen, objectively.
theVanstorm ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:14:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with your premise. To prey on the most vulnerable among us (children) is unforgivable in my book. No punishment, cruel or not, is too much.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Altaeon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this context the phrase. "No punishment, cruel or not, is too much."
Means: "No matter the punishment. Whether it is cruel or not. This guy deserves it."
Basically he's saying that in his opinion child molesters do deserve cruel and unusual punishment.
theVanstorm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might want to work on your reading skills before you start calling others "idiot", Mr. Pot.
Valway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you agree with cruel and unusual treatment then?
Even with people being exonerated with DNA evidence every week, people still think this is okay. Baffling.
We don't have cruel and unusual punishments, because we already end up punishing innocent people. Now add rape/brutality to that and we truly are fucking over convicts
theVanstorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're headed toward a different discussion, which is the degree of certainty in a conviction and how that should factor in to the sentencing. I'm not really talking about that because this discussion started on the premise that he did this thing.
Under the assumption that this guy did it, yes. I'm suggesting he should be made to suffer and be removed from the population permanently.
KindOrHonest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't know, man, fuck.
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GainghisKhan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read what he wrote again you raging cunt.
blgeeder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:45:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Punishment isn't the solution for fucked up people, rehabilitation is
theVanstorm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds good in theory. But, not effective enough. This level of fucked up isn't worth the chance that "rehabilitation" doesn't work.
I think the fear deterrent of future perpetrators knowing these type individuals suffer and die for what they do is much more useful.
Idontkeepredditaccts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't really have to beg. Prison justice is a thing and highly probable
Ferbtastic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the prison system does what it can to protect all inmates from harm. However, given the actions by this man I do not judge anyone who wishes harm upon him.
FM-96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you don't judge anyone who wishes harm upon him, but I sure hope you'd judge anyone who does harm upon him.
Ferbtastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd judge them to a degree. I believe anyone found to commit a violent crime against him should be punished, but I do believe there would be mitigating factors in sentencing. For example, I would not expect the same punishment for someone who killed him in jail as I would expect of someone that killed a wholly innocent person. One might be a 10 year tack on sentence, the other I would hope for life in prison.
FM-96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why though? In both cases they proved that they're able and willing to plan and execute a murder. That makes them a menace to society, doesn't it? Why should one get a significantly lesser punishment?
And if the only reason is essentially that one of them killed someone that you think kinda deserves it, then what about someone who murders someone "technically innocent" who got off on a technicality? Should they also only get a 10 year sentence or so? Or what if the victim is someone who has committed a horrendous crime, but has since been released from prison?
Ferbtastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In sentencing the judge has discretion to look at the totality of the circumstances. So, let's say a rape victim kills her rapist after he is found innocent, I would defiantly take that into account. Watch the movie, A Time to Kill. It's an excellent look at vigilantly justice and why we have the rules we have. I don't entirely agree with the conclusion of the movie, but the raw emotion of it is very interesting.
Also, I say this as a former public defender. I have helped represent rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and drunk drivers. I believe strongly in innocence until proven guilty as a standard for government, but not for societal judgement. Same would apply to vigilantism. Who the victim is plays a huge roll in sentencing. Someone who kills a gang member in an act of revenge does not pose the same threat to society as a child serial killer.
Chucknorrisjoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A savage beating would be warranted.
bandalooper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't take the beating, don't do the raping.
lauraa- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because its reddit? We love vigilante justice and taking the law into our own hands.
Caelinus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We are supposed to be the good guys.
I admit that the thought it cathartic, but it never un-sexually-assults someone. I of course do not blame the woman for attacking him in the moment, that was done in a defensive rage, but afterward we need to be better than that.
Extra judicial beatings and rapes are still crimes, and are not justice. I won't shed many tears over this trash, but I do want to be better than them.
Skoma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:21:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. If we think a prisoner deserves to be raped or beaten then we should make it part of their sentence. We don't because we have laws against cruel and unusual punishment (and because it's fucked up). And as much as I feel like he deserves it, we should not allow prisoners to suffer beyond what their sentence entails, no matter how satisfying it may feel.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Furious_Hamster ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:23:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I ever commit a crime, I do hope an idiot like you is my prosecutor.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt he would feel the same way if it was his daughter.
kasuchans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally been raped and I don't want this guy to get raped in prison.
Furious_Hamster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't either, don't put words in my mouth. But "counseling, mental health evaluations"? Are you serious? The only one who needs counseling is the kid he sexually abused.
kasuchans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if anything, counseling may help him realize he's a horrible person? Look, I don't know. Sexual assaulters have a high rate of recidivism and there isn't a great solution. And yes, the mother and daughter obviously need mental help. I just think we need to try non violent shit with these people...
Furious_Hamster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so too, but one way or another, whether violent or not, these people need to be separated from society unless we are 100% certain that it won't happen again. It takes a special kind of evil to do this to a child.
kasuchans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. That's literally what prison is for -- separating them from the normal population and trying to work on them.
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Furious_Hamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, maybe I'm saying that some people are just plain flat-out evil. Not everybody deserves a diagnosis.
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Furious_Hamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To clarify, I am in support of mental evaluation. If he is cognitively impaired to the point where he cannot function as an adult, then sure. That's kinda the entire premise of the insanity plea. I am operating under the assumption that this is not the case. Given the information we have, I think this is a reasonable assumption. If I've overlooked something, then I'd be glad to see it.
I felt like the guy I replied to originally trivialized the whole thing and was so eager to call out the "hive mind" to demonstrate his own moral superiority. Calling for the guys head is excessive and outside our justice system, but I don't think it's "irrational." His tone came off as, "just get him on some meds, let him see a counselor, and turn him back out into the wild after he's written an apology note and done a couple years in minimum security."
I think you have the correct mindset. But I don't think our system as it currently exists gives us enough certainty that criminals won't do these things again, and it's only in that case that I think these people should be reintegrated into society. And if you've done something on this scale, you really don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I think you're also overly optimistic about our capabilities. I don't believe we have the resources to guarantee they won't commit crimes again. I never advocated for "wiping people off the face of the earth." Once again, don't put words in my mouth. But they should be removed from society, as in locked away for a very long time (if that ends up being less of a burden on society vs. fronting costs of rehab).
I am aware that I am speaking as someone relatively uninformed on the criminal justice system. If I've overlooked something or if it turns out that rehab results in 90% of criminals leading productive lives while being cheaper for taxpayers, I'd like to see the data and I'd be glad to learn something new. I'm trying to keep an open mind about this, but it feels like a lot of people are trivializing this and are ready to write this off as a mental disorder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Furious_Hamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:49 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, sorry for the late response, I thought I replied to this but it evidently didn't go through.
I wasn't referring to you in my last comment, it was the guy I replied to first in this thread, you may not have seen it if you don't know what I'm referring to. Just making sure you know I don't have any issue with your tone, I think your points have been raised in a fair and logical manner.
It is evident to me that I am quite out of my depth here, so I apologize in advance if my responses are inadequate or trivial in nature. I don't think we are disagreeing whether prison or rehab is more effective. Instead, my main objection is that I don't think we can support effective rehab given current funding and resources without levying higher taxes or otherwise increasing the burden on society. I think the choice at this point in time is more like: would you rather have
a) ineffective rehab that releases criminals back on the street
b) ineffective prison time that at least keeps those people quarantined
or
c) implement effective rehab, but at the cost of penalizing everybody else through taxation
And to answer your question, I would definitely prefer preventative action vs. keeping people circulating through the prison system. But again, I don't know how realistic that option is.
Thanks for the in-depth and levelheaded response.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea.. I'm sure he will return to us as a normal member of society. Honestly this guy should be dead. Doesn't matter what the law says, if anyone would rape my daughter it would be the last thing they do.
FM-96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, personal emotions can cloud one's judgement.
Generally, it's the decision not influenced by emotions that is regarded as the more objective and correct one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with finding a jury that's not influenced by emotion when faced with a pedophile. The guy that beat his daughters rapist to death in Texas didn't get charged because it was legal like it should be.
FM-96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably correct there, but that doesn't make it morally right. And the parents of the victim certainly wouldn't be allowed to be on the jury, for exactly that reason.
Yes, it's legal to kill someone in defense of your own or someone else's life, and it should be.
...how does this relate to raping, beating and/or killing someone in prison (where they present no imminent threat to anybody) again?
TaxExempt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child rape is the only crime I think prison rape is justified for.
gotenks1114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A rape for a rape. This is what people actually believe justice is.
TaxExempt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:49:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A punishment that fits the crime.
gotenks1114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finish this sentence:
An eye for an eye ___________________________.
TaxExempt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Justice.
gotenks1114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you are lost.
hertz037 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both? If there were actual justice in the world, every child rapist would be sodomized with a battery acid coated spiked rod and left permanently incontinent.
kasuchans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the prison system's blind eye to and in some cases, like right here, acceptance of prison rape is part of the culture that treats rape like something some people deserve. I hope this guy dies a horrible lonely death in prison, but I don't wish sexual assault on him because, in my opinion and based on my experiences, no one deserves sexual assault.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because then we become the rapist.
rochesterjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not we but another inmate.
the_jak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:16:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the time I would agree with you.
But not for child rapists.
kasuchans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copied from my other comment below.
Also, /u/Caelinus said it well below.
the_jak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to agree with that, but I'm not a good enough of a person to say that some people dont deserve absolutely terrible things to happen to them.
TrumpsDignity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't get raped in prison or killed. That's just some feel good bullshit to make people not in jail happy.
They get protected in prison and in the case of the one who molested me a TV and a private room to go along with it.
NudeGranny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape and any other form of abuse towards children seems to be something even the most hardened criminals seem to hate unanimously
fencerman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, wishing for more rape in the world doesn't make the world a better place. There's no such thing as "deserving to be raped". That's fucked up.
purefunknuggets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I wonder what part of society allowed this guy to foster the idea that raping is ok is some circumstances as long as you feel its justified.
kathegaara ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where that idea originates, but it is sickeningly more common than you think.
kasuchans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...it comes from comments that say rapists should be raped in prison, for one.
shanulu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:11:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want to fight (alleged? I didn't read the article) rape with rape. Assuming you think rape is wrong, where is the logical consistency?
bandalooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, you didn't even read my comment.
larrydocsportello ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:12:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This dude sucks but it's always so weird to see redditors metaphorically pray for prison rape.
Edit: read OPs post wrong. Still, other redditors do it quite often (see below) and I can't really understand it.
bandalooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erroneous assumptions suck.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake, I actually read it wrong and thought you said rape twice at the end.
firelock_ny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want child molesters to be raped and murdered for their crimes then lobby your local representatives to change the laws rather than depend on imprisoned murderers to do it for you.
The imprisoned murderers might not always do it to the people you want them to.
bandalooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fuck did I say rape or murder? Don't go judging me for shit you put in my mouth.
firelock_ny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, my bad, you only want the imprisoned murderers to give the child molesters a good talking to.
bandalooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you understand words? Are you reading someone else's comment?
firelock_ny ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the comment where you presented the boyfriend's statement, edited to what you hoped a brute in prison would say to the boyfriend, then wrote "fingers crossed". If you didn't intend that to mean you were hoping for some imprisoned violent felon to harm the boyfriend then you picked a very strange way to say it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:05:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could've stabbed him enough to kill him, that'd have been a place to start.
JulianneLesse ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:06:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree, but I hope she wasn't even more traumatized with him getting stabbed while in the same room/on top of her (didn't specify)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:23:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was surely traumatic, but also positive for her to see someone defending her at such a cost. She will remember that she was defended, because he was wrong, and that fighting people in those situations is right. Better to see her mother win than stand there and let it happen, or be attacked herself.
_Cattack_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I get what you're saying but wouldn't it be even more traumatizing for a 12 year old to witness their mother trying to kill someone? I'm not saying it wasn't justified, but there has to be some part of her that'll remember a person being stabbed repeatedly in front of her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, he's still talking so not enough stabby.
murkar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are very few occasions where I'd agree that stabbing someone is the solution, but this is definitely one of them.
Picnic_Basket ยท 38360 points ยท Posted at 14:15:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never had my opinion of two people change as fast as it did from the first half of that sentence to the second half.
25sittinon25cents ยท 10609 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why there's the old adage "You shouldn't judge a book by the first half of a sentence"
HorrendousRex ยท 13741 points ยท Posted at 15:02:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It was the best of times, ---"
Well screw this, I'm not reading another absurdly optimistic fairy tale book, I want something gritty and real.
atthem77 ยท 3651 points ยท Posted at 15:13:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man in black fled across the desert..."
Meh, I'm not too big on Johnny Cash fan fiction.
usechoosername ยท 2248 points ยท Posted at 15:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Call me-"
Ew a book about phones.
BulletBilll ยท 1846 points ยท Posted at 15:31:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I"
Wait, I can't read.
TheRustyBugle ยท 719 points ยท Posted at 15:54:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"So."
Well if a story starts out with a conjunction, I'm sure it isn't worth reading.
Riptides75 ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 16:27:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So there I was, with a gun to my head and about to die again for the fifth time. When I first started this job they told me time travel was a bitch. Well, they weren't wrong. BANG... the end.
DarkMarksPlayPark ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the real start to a book as I wouldn't mind reading the darkly humours tales of a professional time traveler?
dettawalker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:47:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about this, what is the most exciting thing that can happen on TV or in movies, or in real-life? Somebody has a gun. That's why I always start with a gun, because you can't top it. You just can't.
noveler7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You thought you could away with it, didn't ya? Didn't ya?!
TroyMcClure1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give me your guns, Michael. All of them.
neobio2230 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:42:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a real story? It's an interesting premise.
sourband ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fade in. Exterior. Unnamed city. Day. The hustle and bustle is a symphony of progress. We pan past windows, each of which contain a different story, to find Jacey Lakims, 28... hot, but doesn't know it. Jacey stops when her high heel gets caught in the grating of a sewer. Suddenly, a man steps into frame and points a gun at her. This is not her day.
Thanatos_Rex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:20:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[Three Weeks Earlier]
NetherStraya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So there I was, lost in the Silithus desert...
clbgrdnr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds exactly like a Micheal Scott story from the office.
07sev ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this. Now thats a hook.
Xyexs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/writingprompts_irl
Foxyfox- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish that was an actual story starter.
BulletBilll ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:55:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"So, like, this is totally the story about some guy who's like, totally interesting and stuff..."
Wow! This is riveting!
simcowking ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So this is a story all about how my life got twist turnt upside down.
FranklinVille ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:20:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now this is a story all about how My life got flipped-turned upside down And I'd like to take....
Tharage53 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A minute so sit right there, to tell you all how I became the fresh price of Bel air
muntoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a Big Mac and an extra large order of fries
simcowking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I don't remember the words perfectly.
TheonsBalls ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then this is a tale all about how My life got ripped-churned upside down And I'd like to take...
aedroogo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:31:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(monitors thread closely to find out whether "so" is actually a conjunction)
jrhoffa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a coordinating conjunction.
mcgrimus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:31:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this conjunction go with these shoes?
secretkon87001 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:34:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"La"
A word to follow so? No thanks.
ItalicsWhore ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In the beginning God created..." Oh no, not another prequel.
Vercci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A long time ago in a..."
DO NOT WANT
sirius4778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth, Origins.
Hanky22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about Beowulf right? No one mentioned it so I'm not sure.
schicksalslied ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...mebody once told me.
sirius4778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took a guy to small claims for backing into my parked car. I had witnesses and was 18 during the hearing and he was probably early 50s. Judge asked me to give her my recollection of the event.
Me: So-
Her: don't say "SO"! Just tell me what happened!
Uhkay.
mr_funtastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one actually has merit to it.
tandemtactics ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:40:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know Floyd Mayweather was a redditor!
NothingsShocking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
abcdefg, hijk eminemopee
Socksandcandy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:56:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Later" A book about procrastination
Messisgingerbeard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you type this.
BulletBilll ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said I can't read. Doesn't mean I can't write.
Native_Nod ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that it would, though.
rowanmikaio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dictation software exists.
darkon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bag says "Beggin' Strips". I know, it smells like bacon.
Oh hell, you can't read. Never mind.
thecoachtaylor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Floyd Mayweather?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Mr and Mrs Dursley-"
Ffs another family drama!
My_Password_Is_____ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go away Floyd. We already gave you all our money.
Geth276 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:19:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! That's Moby Dick...........right?
learnyouahaskell ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:30:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it could also be an autobiography of a teenage music celebrity
ButterflyAttack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'It was love at first sight.'
Aww fuck another shitty romance. . .
sweet-tuba-riffs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gregor Samsa awoke one morning...
-917- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In the beginning..."
No thanks, I'll pass.
Judazzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In..."
I'm out!
Painting_Agency ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I just met thee, and this be crazy, but here be my number, so call me Ishmael."
OneCleverlyNamedUser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH, you did yourself a favor giving up then. You don't need 1000 pages of detailed description of whaling when the story being told could be covered in about 30 pages.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How bad is it that I initially thought of "maybe" as my response?
hiddenmuenster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone wrote a book based off of Carly Rae Jepsen's song?? I bet it's some high literature. /s
VanillaNiceGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh a book about fantasy, this should be great.
brickmack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would quite like to see a proper fantasy novel written based on the Bible. Theres some neat concepts in there. Too bad its just so damn dry and overly moralistic.
SideShowBob36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way perv.
toohigh4anal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually I feel this way about all new rap songs.
Grand_Moff_Porkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first hearty "HA!" of the day.
Kody02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A Farewell---"
Well that was a pretty quick read.
Madly_Maxie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I thought it was a book about Blondie...
timely_jizztrumpet ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:05:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the gunslinger blew out a flip flop, stepped on a pop top.
juicyreaper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She a thot thot
opheliavalve ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 15:59:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best opening sentence in a book, in my humble opinion.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn right. I was hesitant to start a new series but that line had me hooked from the beginning.
No wonder Stephen King calls The Dark Tower series, 'the Jupiter of his solar system'.
cartrman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:57:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was the Uranus?
vomita_conejitos ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:06:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probs the orgy scene in It
Apocalympdick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Train =/= orgy
CaptainTripps82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:13:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure a train is to orgies what a square is to rectangles.
albatross-salesgirl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So like, 1.5 trains = 1 orgy, if the rectangle is half again as wide as the square.Edit: I'm actually horrible at anything math. :(
DeathsIntent96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, like, all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.
vomita_conejitos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not with that attitude
oh3fiftyone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:54:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes me wonder if he knows how solar systems work.
i_am_not_mike_fiore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the movie was bad, too.
roshampo13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just started reading it on Wednesday, loving it so far!
icestationzebro ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...because it's a giant unfocused gasbag that sucks up detritus floating around it without contributing anything new or original?
EDIT: Just because King took a bunch of pop culture references and random pages of his previous books, then stuck them in a blender, masturbated into it, and hit "frappe" doesn't mean you're a genius for drinking it. It only means you finally found the answer to "what's the lowest common denominator for people who like westerns, Tolkien slash/fic, 4chan, and sniffing their own fingers?"
greenspoons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are very few King books this isn't true about.
z6joker9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I somehow managed to make it through the first book. I had no desire to continue.
TechGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just read books 1 and 2 last month and am now halfway through 3. 2 is way better than 1, imo. Much more focused, more dialogue, more interesting characters, and the last 15% is an insanely cool action sequence.
In comparison, 1 feels a bit like a depressed teenager's college freshman writing assignment. Lots of big words and big concepts but it feels a bit forced. And from Kings forward at the beginning of each book, it seems he kind of feel the same way when he looks back at it.
matewa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read the whole series and liked it and still can't really disagree with you.
Aeneis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:58:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite opening sentence is:
triceratopses ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIn my younger and more vulnerable years my father gave me some advice that I've been turning over in my mind ever since. "Whenever you feel like criticizing any one," he told me, "just remember that all the people in this world haven't had the advantages that you've had.โ
also a banger.
Aeneis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Fitzgerald is generally amazing when it comes to opening and ending sentences. Also, everything in between now that I think about it.
opheliavalve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds cool, added to the growing list.
I_got_nothin_ ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:22:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALER
Best damn ending sentence to any book as well!!
SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT
opheliavalve ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:45:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, that ending gets a lot of hate but it's the logical one and makes rereading the series better.
ObsceneGesture4u ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:49:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt it was a decent mind fuck. Especially cause it changes things just enough to show that his journey is slightly different each time oooooor we just witnessed the unique one that changes things forever more
opheliavalve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
each time I read the series I wonder which times Roland and his crew don't make it, and where they don't make it.
newtonslogic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He completely jumped the shark when he wrote himself into the storyline.
smileybob93 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.
opheliavalve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something I'd read.
smileybob93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:47:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Dresden files. The first two are a little iffy because of the authors experience in writing but by book 4 it really gets good. This is from the 6th book after the main character is being chased by flying purple monkey demons that throw flaming poop
renscoguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gunslinger ties with Wizards First Rule for me. "It was an odd shaped vine."
DrBuckMulligan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give me a break.
opheliavalve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK, what's your favorite?
greenspoons ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:42:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The cradle rocks above an abyss, and common sense tells us that our existence is but a brief crack of light between two eternities of darkness."
But sure whatever that guy said...
King is not writing the best anything.
opheliavalve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, never read that one.
TwoGendersSorryLibs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Break me off a piece of that kit kat bar.
matts2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not understand why it is so popular.
"It was love at first sight. The first time Yossarian saw the chaplain he fell madly in love with him."
HippyHitman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best series of books ever written, in my humble opinion.
It's like a perfectly orchestrated symphony, every word in the series was explicitly chosen so they all come together in an unbelievable way.
sirthunt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man... wolves of the calla was rough...
africanamericansouls ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Song of Susannah and the start of 7 was worse. Wolves is great.
HippyHitman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? That's the one that made me realize how deep the writing went. 19 man, 19.
PaperCutsYourEyes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Dark Tower was the third time I gave a Steven King book a chance. It was the only one I finished, but I have since completely given up on him. I hate everything he writes.
greymalken ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I am. Keep going.
TurquoiseLuck ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just skip to the end to see if it's worth reading...
"The man in black fled across the desert..."
HEY WHAT THE FUCK
hamsterwheel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:29:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God what a disappointing film.
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't even bother. I loved the series and there's no way I want it ruined like that.
DarwinianMonkey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We were just outside of Barstow..."
Aw screw this, I'm not interested in some boring story that takes place in middle of the desert
zorbiburst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It was the year when they finally immanentized the Eschaton--"
slowly puts book down and closes it, backing away, never to return
Peter_See ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spit out my drink thank you for this
MurfMan11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dark tower?
callsign_cowboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long days and pleasant nights, gunslinger. There are other worlds than these.
Cobrakd84 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:24:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and the Gunslinger followed.
100skylines ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The black man fled across the desert
AustinTransmog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Meh, I'm not too big..."
So we've heard.
True_Kapernicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll regret than when The Man comes around.
Limb_breaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely no one is gonna follow that guy. I've seen enough.
remote_man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this from Stephen King's The Dark Tower? The Gunslinger? I only just started reading it and I'm up to the bit where the gunslinger massacres the entire town that's after him but I get lost sometimes because there's no explanation of certain things like who Kennedy is and what he does and why the Gunslinger visits him
bgfather ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like another terrible book with no gunslingers.
SasquatchUFO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Because I like the sounds of that.
newtonslogic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMHO...one of the top ten opening lines to any novel.
ChosenUndeadSquad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah let's keep him sacred from fanfics
SkyrimDovahkiin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats something I've never wondered if it exists, but I'd bet that it does.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just started reading this, dope as heck
bwfiq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just finished this book yesterday!
mortiphago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In a hole in the ground..." well shit I was in the mood for some fantasy, not a boring boring book
SpazTarted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank ye sai
greenspoons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What difference would it make if you gave the whole sentence? It would still say the man in black.
DrewTheHobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, don't you drag Roland into this
DarthRusty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Long days..."
"Well, fuck you too."
springheeljak89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the Gunslinger followed.
Phamine1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do you feel about Bango Skank?
Capsparks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...and the gunslinger followed"
crack3r_jack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, the second half of the sentence still kinda sounds like Johnny Cash fanfiction.
billtipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read about 200 pages and am finding it difficult to go back to . This from someone who has read and enjoyed Wheel of Time series through 13 or whatever books. Is it worth continuing?.
atthem77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My enjoyment of the series is definitely a bell curve. The first book is not great by itself, but the series quickly gets very good. It peaks around The Waste Lands or Wizard and Glass, and begins to decline, with the last book being fairly poor in my opinion. In classic King style, he has no idea how to finish a good story.
Is it worth reading? Yes. Is it the best book series? Certainly not.
billtipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I'll try again soon. Any recommendations for a better series?.
atthem77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In no particular order...
Harry Potter, J K Rowling
Hunger Games, Suzanne Collins
A Song of Ice and Fire, George R R Martin*
The Chronicles of Narnia, C S Lewis
The Dark Elf Trilogy, R A Salvatore
The Kingkiller Chronicle, Patrick Rothfuss*
The Lord of the Rings, J R R Tolkien
*Incomplete series. The most recent book in the series was released in 2011. WTF WRITE MORE
PaperCutsYourEyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Malazan Book of the Fallen
The Black Company
clerk1o1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. Such a great opening line
zwasi1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude love this reference
HippyHitman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has been happening to me so much recently. Just a few hours ago I was thinking about how phenomenal the pairing of that line and the final line of the series is.
cody14110 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stand reference?
SatanicOnion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the first sentence to the Dark Tower series.
Ptyrell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read both books and I thought the same as you.
Ptyrell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read both books and I thought the same as you.
o-DreamScar-o ยท 434 points ยท Posted at 15:16:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the blurst of times...
DinosKellis ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:09:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay for childhood simpsons reference :)
shadowofashadow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:31:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never really got this joke as a kid. But thinking of it now makes me laugh so hard. Those monkeys were working so hard and they managed to come up with something incredible, but of course it wasn't good enough for Burns.
rlbond86 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the joke...
RscMrF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You weren't a smart child were you?
shadowofashadow ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:46:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I knew the million monkeys with a million typewriters reference.
We_Make_Soap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beat me too it!
Cockur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beat me to it
Balerionmeow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You beat me to it. Mine is down there somewhere....
Joetato ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:54:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... it was the blurst of times?! Stupid monkeys!
DinosKellis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay for childhood simpsons reference :)
Dawidko1200 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It was the best of times, until the king, who ruled over this land for many years, bringing peace and prosperity after a reign of madness, died."
Pretty much ASOIAF.
enosprologue ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Mother died today..."
Oh god no, a sappy weepy novel.
RoosterRanch ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:26:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I were cultured enough to get the reference.....
Soramke ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:49:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the beginning of A Tale of Two Cities. The next part of the sentence is "...it was the worst of times," (and then a bunch more contradictory superlatives after that), so stopping after the beginning of the sentence would give a rather misleading impression.
balrogath ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:41:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The book is also very gritty.
is_is_not_karmanaut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well duh
HLCRHLCR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well people die but it its kinda fairy tail -y.
esilyo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Tale of Two Cities. It's a story in French revolution times. (not the best of times exactly)
irresistibleforce ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Dr Strauss says I shoud rite down what I think and remembir and evrey thing ... '
Jeez, five typo's in the first half sentence.I can't deal with this level of quality control.
AHucs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It is a truth universally acknowledged that ---"
Why read something I already acknowledge?
HorrendousRex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of folks have been pitching their half sentences but I liked yours the best.
AHucs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol thank you, I was a bit late to the show I think.
TroyMcClure1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:39:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...it was the blurst of times."
Boobydooby92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the blurst of times.
Theeunsunghero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No Country for Old Men
HighSlayerRalton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Nothing but starsโ"
Great. Astronomy.
rostov007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I adore opportunities for linking to a scene from Cheers.
aYearOfPrompts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in charge of Star Trek?
leglesslegolegolas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the opposite
"It was the best of times, ---"
Yay! What a wonderful story!
falmark3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
read this in Bojack Horseman's voice
wearto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Once upon a time," ehhhh how about twice upon a time huh!? tosses book
wearer_of_boxers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
try Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy.
mobiledditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many people are not catching the reference...and just think you are mentioning a generic optimistic opening first half
hivelyj6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"---, it was the worst of times" dammit how about something positive for once!
cartrman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times."
tinglingoxbow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"For sale: baby ---"
GhostOfOakIsland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"If you really want to hear about it, the first thing youโll probably want to know is where I was born, and what my lousy childhood was like -"
Tediiiooooussss
FishDawgX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Generally, the first paragraph in classic novels is a summary of the entire book. And the first sentence is a summary of the summary. You just can't understand it without reading the whole book.
alex6734 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!? You stupid monkeys!
F0restf1re ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It was the blurst of times?!"
forwormsbravepercy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day Gregor Samsa woke up...
datmemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
" and then the murders began."
Better?
Arman276 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...until the fire nation attacked"
socratic_paradox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm sure you can always go out.
goomoonryong_is_god ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It was the blurst of times"
veveveve0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the blurst of times
Duwt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In a hole in the ground, there lived--"
"Oh what, so instead of a wonderful high fantasy midget adventure, I gotta read about gophers and shit? I ain't readin' about no fuckin' ground animal, fuck this book."
stokelydokely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Buzzfeed will save their "What did these people think classic books were about when they only read the first half of the first sentence?" article for Monday, or just blow their wad tomorrow.
TeHNeutral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the blurst of times?!
effa94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thought you were qouting the dream theater song at first
SilasX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't watch Shawshank, where it's starts gritty, but then ignores physical limits on tools when you want to do something dramatic.
notjustanymike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Call me..."
Jesus this book is needy, I really don't need this level of commitment in my life.
eleochariss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was, past tense. I don't read depressive stuff about nostalgic morons. I want something cheerful and fun.
Dollypunch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the blurst of times
Crustjug ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the blurst of times.
Yodiddlyyo ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 15:04:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good, that's what the covers for.
gnarwalbacon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought it was "Never judge a book by its movie"
mjgood91 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:31:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Buttercup was raised on a small farm - "
Hold it, hold it!! ...Is this a kissing book?
DOPE_AS_FUCK_COOK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Ken!
darwin2500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why shouldn't I ever judge books? What are you, some kind of literary relativist?
zzedisonzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R/KenM
25sittinon25cents ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly who I was channeling when the comment popped into my head
Autarch_Kade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then there's Dhalgren which just goes and starts the book with the second half of a sentence.
"-to wound the autumnal city."
Checkmate, bibliophiles.
Vio_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
total snoresville.
Lefty_22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Who is John Galt?"
Why the fuck would I know? Screw this book.
fmtheilig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you should judge a book. Why would you say that?
Marvena0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out r/NomSaying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ain't nobody got time for that, judge away
M3psipax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might have a point, but -
lefixx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"As a mother, ..."
"I don't want to sound racist, but ..."
machotoast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only read the first half of what you said so I'm clueless to the point.
Dameleon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah
LightSlayerPantyOn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ken m? Is that you?
Gbiknel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your missing the second half: "Never judge a book by the first half of a sentence, judge it by the cover"
neotropic9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You joke, but when Al Sharpton debated Christopher Hitchens, it became quickly apparent that, not only had Sharpton not read the book he was criticizing, he had not even made it to the subtitle!
Mex-Box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BF should have enjoyed "Speak with soft words and don't show 12 year old your small dick." - Ted-D Roosevelt
AlrightDoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're reading Finnegan's Wake.
Drachefly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. You CAN judge The Shadow War of the Night Dragons, Book One: The Dead City by the first half of its first sentence,
โฆ imagine the best things that might be made of this, and check if your imagination was up to the task.
-CrestiaBell ยท 1559 points ยท Posted at 15:15:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman stabs boyfriend after being found naked.."
"On top of 12 year old daughter"
Madly_Maxie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least it wasn't HIS 12 year old daughter.
Genlsis ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... I think it's maxed out on this one. Naked on top of ANY 12 year old is officially not okay. Like 0/10 cool.
nothing-is-vegan ยท -93 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol. Porn. People are so desensitised, and then perverted because of that boredom.
[deleted] ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:50:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, porn turned the guy not only into a rapist but a pedophile.
PuttingInTheEffort ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:45:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he said alcohol, porn, desensitized and boredom
MightBeJerryWest ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:05:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes the four basic ingredients for your run of the mill pedophile rapist
PuttingInTheEffort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I never said I agreed the guy or anything, just that he didn't say only porn.
WayneKrane ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 16:00:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, people were so divine and perfect back in the 1700s before porn was readily available. And I'm sure all of those rapey priests were smashed on alcohol when they were molesting children.
jaybusch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:18:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, with the amount of beer brewed by clergymen and wine had by the church, it's entirely possible some of them were. I don't mean alcohol is the deciding factor, but it's a possibility.
I otherwise agree, it's like trying to say between gin and tonic, and vodka and tonic, tonic is what makes you drunk! After all, it's the only obvious connection between these two drinks.
AshTheGoblin ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 15:49:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So alcohol and porn cause pedophilia, got it.
nothing-is-vegan ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 15:57:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, usually a pedopile has been abused as a child themself. But alcohol and porn do desensitize people enough to loose those boundaries and actually do it.
cheertina ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So do you think child rape/molestation/sexual abuse is more common now than, say, 50 years ago?
Do you have any evidence for this claim that alcohol and porn make this kind of thing more likely?
Perceptions-pk ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a subject of investigation right now. Various governments and orgs are studying the possible connection between porn use/sexual abuse/violence and several papers have been released.
Pornography combined with masturbation has been shown to have triple the addictive power of some of the strongest drugs. It's been shown to deform the brain over time.. and affect many social behaviors.
We're just starting to learn about the effects of high speed internet (& easy porn) access on people.
Since porn and masturbation are so pleasurable and seemingly "less exploitive" compared to things like prostitution, etc. people are loathe to admit it can have adverse effects on people's minds and bodies.
Ironically, an article about this study pinpoints how people often dismiss pornography as a possible cause "citing not enough causation data," but it points out that people ignore that pornography does have negative impact.
As an aside I believe several serial killers (ted buddy) have cited hard-core pornography as one of the instigating/underlying factors in their psyche/actions (though the word of serial killers is probably very suspect). It doesn't absolve them, but it's worth investigation.
Edit: you can see a lengthy canoli of a response for those who want sources in one of my replies to a comment blow
cheertina ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:56:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link to those papers?
Cite?
Cite?
Cite that it does?
Link to this article?
Great, lets see the studies!
Perceptions-pk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:21:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally Part 4: Now my own articles with a variety of opinions (these are the government based studies)
In regards to governments doing their own studies on possible links between Porn and Violence:
Canada: Commons committee to study health effects of violent online pornography http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/health-pornography-violence-sexually-explicit-1.3893626
United States: JUSTICE DEPT. PORNOGRAPHY STUDY FINDS MATERIAL IS TIED TO VIOLENCE http://www.nytimes.com/1986/05/14/us/justice-dept-pornography-study-finds-material-is-tied-to-violence.html?mcubz=0
Conflicts with study in the 70's (however this doesn't account for the changes in technology and accessibility of pornography through high speed internet)
India: Sexual Crime in India: Is it Influenced by Pornography? Concludes that it did not have an effect (but notes caution Results presented needs to be interpreted with extreme care and caution) Indian J Psychol Med. 2014 Apr-Jun; 36(2): 147โ152.
4 Countries (but this was a study done in the 80's before the internet) Pornography and rape: theory and practice? Evidence from crime data in four countries where pornography is easily available. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2032762
I prob won't have time to respond anymore to this thread, but I hope you're satisfied with the amount of articles I have provided you. Honestly, if you are genuinely curious I welcome you to do your own research and look up your own scientific articles. You'll notice that conclusions made in the 70's, 80's and 90's will wildly co nflict with more recent stuff in the 00's and 10's
cheertina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the extensive links. I do appreciate you backing up your claims.
I will note, however, that child sexual abuse is down significantly since the '90s:
http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV267_Have SA PA Decline_FACT SHEET_11-7-12.pdf
Perceptions-pk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sources :D? Here you go! Pornography addiction: A neuroscience perspective https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3050060/ (There are other articles sourced in this one as well).
Brain structure and functional connectivity associated with pornography consumption: the brain on porn. (Kรผhn S1, Gallinat J2.) from JAMA Psychiatry https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202
Note: A man named Donny Pauling compiled an entire list of articles on his blog. I credit him for all the work below, but I'll list all the articles and notes he added to each one (I didn't have time to look through each full article. Here's the website url: https://donnysramblings.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/how-porn-affects-us-a-list-of-peer-reviewed-studies-as-well-as-magazine-articles/ I don't have time to link all the corresponding weblinks, but you can easily google search.
"As a result of viewing pornography women reported lowered body image, partner critical of their body, increased pressure to perform acts seen in pornographic films, and less actual sex, while men reported being more critical of their partnersโ body and less interested in actual sex. Albright, J. (2008). Sex in America online: An exploration of sex, marital status, and sexual identity in Internet sex seeking and its impacts. Journal of Sex Research, 45, 175โ186. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18569538
Exposure to โmassive pornographyโ leads to changes in beliefs and attitudes. For example, reduced support for the womenโs liberation movement, reduced belief that pornography needs to be restricted for minors, reduced recommended jail sentences for rapists, increased callousness toward woman, and beliefs of increased frequency of pathological sex (such as sex with animals, and sex with violence). Zillmann, D & J. Bryant. (1984). Effects of massive exposure to pornography. In Malamuth, N and Donnerstein, E. (Eds), Pornography and sexual aggression. San Diego, Academic Press.
The strongest predictors of use of cyberporn were weak ties to religion and lack of a happy marriage. However, past sexual deviance (e.g., involvement in paid sex) was also a strong predictor of cyberporn use. Persons ever having an extramarital affair were 3.18 times more apt to have used cyberporn than ones who had lacked affairs. Further, those ever having engaged in paid sex were 3.7 times more apt than those who had not to be using cyberporn. Overall the model explained 40 percent of the variance in porn use on the Internet. Stack, S., Wasserman, I. & Kern, R. (2004). Adult Social Bonds and Use of Internet Pornography. Social Science Quarterly, 85, 75-88.
Women who were exposed to pornography as children were more likely to accept the rape myth and to have sexual fantasies that involved rape. Corne, S., Briere, J. & Esses, L. (1992). Womenโs attitudes and fantasies about rape as a function of early exposure to pornography. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 7, 4, 454-461.
Male domestic violence offenders who utilize the sex industry (pornography and strip clubs) use more controlling behaviors, engage in more sexual abuse, stalking and marital rape against their partners then males who do not use the sex industry. Simmons, C. A, Lehmann, P & Collier-Tenison, S. (2008). Linking male use of the sex industry to controlling behaviors in violent relationships. Violence against Women, 14, 406-417.
At the 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, a gathering of the nationโs divorce lawyers, attendees documented a startling trend. Nearly two-thirds of the attorneys present had witnessed a sudden rise in divorces related to the Internet; 58% of those were the result of a spouse looking at excessive amounts of pornography online. Paul, P. (2005). Pornified. New York: Times Books.
In a sample of 30 juveniles who had committed sex offenses, exposure to pornographic material at a young age was common. The researchers reported that 29 of the 30 juveniles had been exposed to X-rated magazines or videos; the average age at exposure was about 7.5 years. Wieckowski, E., Hartsoe, P., Mayer, A., and Shortz, J. 1998. Deviant sexual behavior in children and young adolescents: Frequency and patterns. Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment, 10, 4, 293-304.
Juvenile sex offenders were questioned about their use of sexually explicit material. Only 11% said they did not use sexually explicit material. Of those who used the material, 74% said it increased their sexual arousal. Becker, J. V. & Stein, R. M. (1991). Is sexual erotica associated with sexual deviance in adolescent males? International Journal of Law and Psychiatry, 14, 85-95.
Male and female students and non students were shown videos for one hour each week for six weeks. Half of these subjects were shown pornography which was non violent and included common sexual practices. Half of the subjects were shown videos that had no pornography, no violence and were innocuous. Two weeks after they stopped seeing the videos they were all given an opportunity to watch videos in private. Those who saw the pornography were significantly more likely to pick harder core pornography which included sex with animals and sex that included violence. Those who had seen the innocuous videos were unlikely to pick the pornographic videos to watch. They were especially unlikely to pick the hardcore pornographic videos to watch. Watching pornographic videos increases the interest in watching pornographic videos that are more hardcore and contain unusual and/or pathological sexual behaviors. Zillmann, D. & Bryant, J. (1986). Shifting preferences in pornography consumption. Communication Research, 13, 4, 560-578.
Almost two thirds (67%) of young adult males find pornography use acceptable while 49% of young adult females find it acceptable. More young adult males use pornography (87%) than young adult females (31%). While 31% of males use pornography never or less than once a month about 5% of males use pornography daily or almost daily. Young adult females use pornography infrequently; 69 % never use it, 21% use it less than once a month and only .2% use it daily or almost every day. For males, more pornography use is correlated with more sex partners, more alcohol use, more binge drinking, greater acceptance of sex outside of marriage for married individuals, greater acceptance of sex before marriage and less child centeredness during marriage. Carroll, J. S., Padilla-Walker, L. M., Nelson, L. J., Olson, C. D., Barry, C. M., & Madsen, S. (2008). Generation XXX: Pornography acceptance and use among emerging adults. Journal of Adolescent Research, 23, 1, 6-30.
Males who are involved with interpersonal violence in their relationships and who use pornography and go to strip clubs use more controlling behaviors with their partners. These males engage in more sexual abuse, stalking and marital rape than abusers who do not use pornography and go to strip clubs. Simmons, C. A., Lehmann, P. & Collier-Tennison, S. (2008). Linking male use of the sex industry to controlling behaviors in violent relationships: An exploratory analysis. Violence Against Women, 14, 406-417.
Forty percent of abused women indicated that their partner used violent pornography. Of those whose partners used pornography, 53% of the women indicated that they had been asked or forced to enact scenes that they had been shown. Forty percent of the abused women had been raped and of these, 73% stated that their partners had used pornography. Twenty-six percent of the women had been reminded of pornography during the abuse. Cramer, E. & McFarlane, J. (1994). Pornography and abuse of women. Public Health Nursing, 11, 4, 268-272.
The likelihood of sexual harassment is significantly correlated with volume of past exposure of sexually explicit materials. Barak, A., Fisher, W.A., Belfry, S., & Lashambe, D. R. (1999). Sex, guys, and cyberspace: Effects of internet pornography and individual differences on menโs attitudes toward women. Journal of Psychological and Human Sexuality, 11, 63-92.
There was an increase in attitudes supporting sexual violence following pornography exposure. Violent pornography increased these attitudes even more than non violent pornography. Allen, M., Emmers, T. M., Gebhardt, L., & Giery, M. (1995). Pornography and rape myth acceptance. Journal of Communication, 45, 5-26.
Perceptions-pk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part 2:
High pornography users were higher in rape myth acceptance, acceptance of violence against women, adversarial sex beliefs, reported likelihood of rape, reported likelihood of forced sex acts and sex callousness than low pornography users. High pornography users who were shown nonviolent dehumanizing pornography showed higher scores in reported likelihood of rape, sex callousness and sexually aggressive behaviors than high pornography users who werenโt shown pornography. Check. J. V. P., & Guloien, T. H. (1989). The effects of repeated exposure to sexually violent pornography, nonviolent dehumanizing pornography, and erotica. In D. Zillmann & J. Bryan (Eds.), Pornography: Recent research, interpretations, and policy considerations (pp. 159-184). Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum.
Males who were high in hostile masculinity, sexual promiscuity and who used pornography frequently were significantly more likely to have physically and sexually aggressed (7.78) than males who were low in these factors (.4). Malamuth, N., Addison, T. & Koss, M. (2000). Pornography and sexual aggression: Are there reliable effects and can we understand them? Annual Review of Sex Research, 11, 26-68.
Adolescents exposed to sexually explicit websites (SEWs) were more likely to have multiple lifetime sexual partners, to have had more than one sexual partner in the last 3 months, to have used alcohol or other substances at last sexual encounter, and to have engaged in anal sex. Adolescents who visit SEWs display higher sexual permissiveness scores compared with those who have never been exposed, indicating a more permissive attitude. Braun-Courville, D. & Rojas, M. (2009). Exposure to sexually explicit web sites and adolescent sexual attitudes and behaviors. Journal of Adolescent Health, 45, 156-162.
Citation Information: A Love That Doesnโt Last: Pornography Consumption and Weakened Commitment to Oneโs Romantic Partner Nathaniel M. Lambert, Sesen Negash, Tyler F. Stillman, Spencer B. Olmstead, and Frank D. Fincham Journal of Social and Clinical Psychology 2012 31:4, 410-438 We examined whether the consumption of pornography affects romantic relationships, with the expectation that higher levels of pornography consumption would correspond to weakened commitment in young adult romantic relationships. Study 1 (n = 367) found that higher pornography consumption was related to lower commitment, and Study 2 (n = 34) replicated this finding using observational data. Study 3 (n = 20) participants were randomly assigned to either refrain from viewing pornography or to a self-control task. Those who continued using pornography reported lower levels of commitment than control participants. In Study 4 (n = 67), participants consuming higher levels of pornography flirted more with an extradyadic partner during an online chat. Study 5 (n = 240) found that pornography consumption was positively related to infidelity and this association was mediated by commitment. Overall, a consistent pattern of results was found using a variety of approaches including cross-sectional (Study 1), observational (Study 2), experimental (Study 3), and behavioral (Studies 4 and 5) data. Read More: http://guilfordjournals.com/doi/abs/10.1521/jscp.2012.31.4.410
Does Viewing Explain Doing? Assessing the Association Between Sexually Explicit Materials Use and Sexual Behaviors in a Large Sample of Dutch Adolescents and Young Adults Gert Martin Hald PhD1,*, Lisette Kuyper PhD2, Philippe C.G. Adam PhD3,4 andJohn B.F. de Wit PhD3,5 Article first published online: 26 APR 2013 DOI: 10.1111/jsm.12157 ยฉ 2013 International Society for Sexual Medicine Issue The Journal of Sexual Medicine The Journal of Sexual Medicine Volume 10, Issue 12, pages 2986โ2995, December 2013 Abstract Introduction Concerns have been voiced that the use of sexually explicit materials (SEMs) may adversely affect sexual behaviors, particularly in young people. Previous studies have generally found significant associations between SEM consumption and the sexual behaviors investigated. However, most of these studies have focused on sexual behaviors related to sexually transmitted infections or sexual aggression and/or failed to adequately control for relevant covariates. Thus, research more thoroughly investigating the association between SEM consumption and a broader range of sexual behaviors is needed. Aims The study aims to investigate SEM consumption patterns of young people, and to assess the strength of the association between SEM consumption and a range of sexual behaviors, controlling for a comprehensive array of variables previously shown to affect these relationships. Methods Online cross-sectional survey study of 4,600 young people, 15โ25 years of age, in The Netherlands was performed. Main Outcomes Measures The main outcome measures were self-reported SEM consumption and sexual practices. Results The study found that 88% of men and 45% of women had consumed SEM in the past 12 months. Using hierarchical multiple regression analyses to control for other factors, the association between SEM consumption and a variety of sexual behaviors was found to be significant, accounting for between 0.3% and 4% of the total explained variance in investigated sexual behaviors. Conclusions This study suggests that, when controlling for important other factors, SEM consumption influences sexual behaviors. The small to moderate associations that emerged between SEM consumption and sexual behavior after controlling for other variables suggest that SEM is just one factor among many that may influence youth sexual behaviors. These findings contribute novel information to the ongoing debates on the role of SEM consumption in sexual behaviors and risk, and provide appropriate guidance to policy makers and program developers concerned with sexual education and sexual health promotion for young people. Hald GM, Kuyper L, Adam PCG, and de Wit JBF. Does viewing explain doing? Assessing the association between sexually explicit materials use and sexual behaviors in a large sample of Dutch adolescents and young adults. J Sex Med 2013;10:2986โ2995.
Perceptions-pk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part 3: Now for the articles
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/i-can-relate/201403/it-doesn-t-hurt-look-does-it โThe Result: The people who eliminated or significantly reduced their viewing of pornographic material were significantly more committed to their relationships than those who continued to view the material. These results held true for both men and women.โ
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-lies-trauma/201107/effects-porn-adolescent-boys Between the ages of 12 and 20, the human brain undergoes a period of great neuroplasticity. The brain is in a malleable phase during which billions of new synaptic connections are made. This leaves us vulnerable to the influence of our surroundings and leads our brains to be โwiredโ around the experiences and information that we receive during that time period. When an adolescent boy compulsively views pornography, his brain chemistry can become shaped around the attitudes and situations that he is watching. Sadly, pornography paints an unrealistic picture of sexuality and relationships that can create an expectation for real-life experiences that will never be fulfilled.
Huge Amounts of Data: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/201401/is-male-porn-use-ruining-sex It includes discussion of interest in real partners, erectile disfunction, etc.
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/the-sorry-lives-and-confusing-times-of-today-s-young-men/?all=1 Something, it seems, is sucking the life out of guys quite literally. One-third of male college students say theyโve experienced erectile dysfunction. Leonard Sax, a family physician for nearly 20 years who authored the book Boys Adrift, saw more and more of them in his Maryland office, asking for Viagra and Cialis. Constant access to porn has desensitized them; they canโt get it up with live girls. โWeโre seeing the replacement of penile sex with oral sex,โ says Sax, โwith the girl on her knees, servicing the boy. Boys and girls both end up losers.โ One in five men ages 18 to 25 are now classified as โsub-fertileโ because of low sperm count and quality, both of which have been dropping in the developed world for the past 50 years. Curiously, 50 years ago, around 64 percent of all college students were male.
Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction in Young Men: http://yourhealth.asiaone.com/content/pornography-can-cause-erectile-dysfunction-young-men More Interesting Articles: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fixing-families/201212/porning-too-much http://nsbnews.net/content/409829-sexual-dysfunction-escalating-price-abusing-porn http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=9176 http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/therapy-matters/201205/does-porn-contribute-ed http://yourbrainonporn.com/middleburry-college-physician-sees-rise-ed-blames-porn http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/repairing-relationships/201111/why-does-he-prefer-porn-over-me
What Porn Does to Intimacy: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/tech-support/201407/what-porn-does-intimacy" (Courtesy of Pauling, Donny).
vintage2017 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't be downvoted so much, but you're only half right. Alcohol definitely makes people more likely to break the law. Adult porn has little to do with pedophilia though.
nothing-is-vegan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, for your comment. yes, I find everytime I make bold statements based on my personal research I get down voted or even banned on making comments.
People are highly unaware of how addictive substances are and there actual affect on the brain.
People do not want to hear the truth and we are losing freedoms because if it.
About porn: are all these downvotes aware of the shear amount of child porn available? No. Are these foenvotees aware that combining all these drugs and alcohol with using child pornograpgy plus regular porn which glorified very young looking women - do they really think all that imagery does not create some kind of mind bend that lowers the participants boundaries and inhibitions?
I am not saying this is the specific reason this 12 year old was raped, but wake up people, blurred lines everywhere including out "PG" Media streaming into our homes.
This victim may have just been the closest available oriface for this man.
Thank you for the downvotes! Shows me how awake and aware I am.
Kovaelin ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, it's the cure?
snp3rk ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:59:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I'd take that source with a bucket of salt yall.
Kovaelin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was the general feeling from everyone when this story came out last month.
IronMyr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:00:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that child rape predates porn.
-CrestiaBell ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:52:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess also like reliving their own traumatic experiences through the child but I also think it's sometimes not necessary to analyse the situation beyond that
It can be explained but definitely not justified.
nothing-is-vegan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not justified, just not sure how many people really understand the dynamics at work these days, they're more into making judgements on the commenter than the truth within the comment.
-CrestiaBell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:22:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is that the motivation of pedophiles are already known
If alcoholism is it then like how do we stop it from getting in their hands? We cant.. So how do we keep it out of everyone's hands? The prohibition is evidence of what happens like whenever we try that solution
Fine then stop them from looking at suggestive or erotic content? Also totally impossible
Okay then like just stop their parents/priests/trusted elders from molesting them?
Everything about them is circular and analysis like really serves no purpose beyond wasting resources
snp3rk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I'm for prohibition, I really am not. But I think once weed is legalized federally, we would have more success with another prohibition.
SubwayEatFlesh909 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you people get this info from?
brightwhiteboxes ยท 2156 points ยท Posted at 15:15:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend..."
What a psycho
"...after finding him naked on top of her 12-year old daughter"
What a hero
[deleted] ยท -171 points ยท Posted at 15:47:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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brightwhiteboxes ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 15:49:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't murdered, first of all. Second, jumping into action to protect your child is absolutely a heroic act.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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brightwhiteboxes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:18:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really say until it happens, but I suspect you'd be surprised how many parents willingly ignore this kind of thing.
[deleted] ยท -126 points ยท Posted at 15:58:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 16:37:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is self/family defense. Nothing in this is even murderish
oh3fiftyone ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:58:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was in the middle of a sexual assault. She used the nearest object in defense of her daughter. Fuck off.
rosekayleigh ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 16:12:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was sexually assaulting a child. I can't believe you are questioning the mother's actions here and not the pedo rapist's.
agentsometime ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 17:33:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't believe that someone is defending a male rapist and making the woman seem like the problem? Really? You can't believe that?
TLema ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:34:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it but I wish I didn't
Unilythe ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:12:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, I am 100% with you guys that using a knife (or anything, really) to defend your daughter from rape is completely an appropriate reaction, but eh... He wasn't defending the rapist, at all. Don't put words in his mouth.
Edit: Lmao, being downvoted for stating an undeniable truth. Sad people in here.
xinxy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:37:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think even if he ends up dying it won't be called murder. Manslaughter most likely? I am no lawyer though so I'm talking outta my ass.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:31:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be self defense. Despite the name, 'self defence' actually includes acting in defence of other people.
You can use lethal force in defending another human being if that second person is facing (or is about to face) severe or lethal harm, and/or and permanent bodily harm.
In this case, defending your child from rape.
freakypeteypablo ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:04:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was in her situation, I'd want him dead I don't care if it's morally wrong.
Fifteen_inches ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's morally right to want to murder child rapists. And stopping a child rape isn't attempted murder.
MajinCry ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:31:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Won't somebody PLEASE think of the rapists!?"
NaturalFaux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do.
I'm a rapist rapist
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 17:09:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bmhadoken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Much more heroic to do nothing in the child's defense.
iknowyoulovecats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Hey_Porkchop ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:05:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She did society a favor.
Mcslapchop ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:50:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have been better if she had killed him to be honest.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:21:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad he didn't die. Now he can be charged and spend the rest of his life rotting in jail.
MY_GOOCH_HURTS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly why I'm kinda iffy about people succumbing to the obvious urge to murder a rapist. Especially a child rapist, because the treatment they get in prison is way worse than just dying.
Thr0wdemthangz ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay then. Sympathize with the rapist. That's your choice to make.
jaybusch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not wishing death on him doesn't mean you condone his actions.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:53:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Unilythe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically how I feel yeah. He doesn't need to die for what he did, but if he had died or if the mother had needed to kill him in order to get him to stop, I wouldn't shed a single tear for the fucking childraping asshole.
mafulazula ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think that's a really important lesson to learn.
Unilythe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people here don't seem to realize that and immediately emotionally seem to jump to conclusions here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nannuq ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:00:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would not be murder, homicide yes, but not murder. Here in the United States you are allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself or another when they are being attacked.
Homicide is not necessarily murder. It just means someone died unnaturally. When you illegally come into my house you have decided to forfeit your life. When you physically assault my loved ones, especially one as helpless as a minor you have decided to forfeit your life. The decision to be attacked by this women and possibly ending his life was his alone not her's.
This is the attitude all criminals need to understand. There are consequences for their actions and those actions are the sole decision of the Criminal. The victim has the right to live and the right to property the criminal never has a right to violate either one. However, the victim has the right to defend both.
TacoOrgy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:34:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found another pedo apologist
b5sac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he had died it'd be manslaughter, not murder.
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guessing you have no children.
rugtoad ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:28:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with putting down a child rapist. Especially when the victim is your child.
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:30:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ you kids are fucked up.
DrMobius0 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:08:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manslaughter. Murder requires premediation. Also dude lived. Not to mention cases like this are often dropped because of being in defense of self or another
jaybusch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't premeditation just first degree? I thought the distinction was always intentional (whether premeditated or not) unjustified killing was murder and unintentional killing was manslaughter. Like hitting someone with your car because they were in the middle of the road could be manslaughter but if you intentionally hit someone because you saw them, it's murder. Don't honestly know, not a lawyer.
DrMobius0 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:25:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
involuntary manslaughter would be unintentional. Manslaughter would be intentional. Think spur of the moment intent to kill. Second degree is with malice aforethought, first degree is premeditation. (just looked up the distinction between 1st and 2nd)
The distinction between voluntary manslaughter and 2nd degree is a bit nebulous, but voluntary manslaughter seems to generally be considered circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become mentally or emotionally disturbed. Finding your boyfriend naked on top of your daughter would almost certainly fall under voluntary manslaughter
Edit: also I'll take voluntary mans laughter for 400, alex
elbenji ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She cracked when protecting her daughter
Amogh24 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:19:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't murder, that was collective defence. She's legally and morally innocent.
ElectricFleshlight ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing someone to protect your child is extremely heroic
Totikki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, should just pat him on the back and say keep on going
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe people are downvoting you for advocating against murder. Reddit is so fucked up with lynch mob vigilante justice, it's honestly sickening how violent these people are without even realizing it.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:35:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was in the act of raping her daughter. She had to use violence to stop him. That violence could have killed him, but it didn't. Should she have done nothing?
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:56:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so it's "stab in the head" or "nothing", okay.
HanSoloBolo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:02:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would you do in her situation? You have a knife, he's raping your daughter, so you just ask him nicely to stop?
I'd say it was a miraculous show of strength not to kill that fucker.
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, you're a fucking psychopath.
HanSoloBolo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You say while defending a pedophile? I'm legitimately asking what you'd do in that situation. You're going to pretend like you'd be in a healthy state of mind?
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cut the "defending a pedophile" shit, you dumb fuck. Anyone with half a brain can tell that "not stabbing people" != "pedophilia is awesome". I can't tell if you're incredibly stupid or if you just think everyone else is.
HanSoloBolo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:26:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And your response is "pull him off and call the police?" She acted in self defense and you're saying she shouldn't have.
TheVeryMask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:31 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-John Donne
Fighting evil is innately good, but that doesn't mean cheering for someone's death ever makes you not a monster. If he died I'd be glad for his mitigated capacity for harm, but not for his death. Empathy is not sympathy and correctness is not tribalist; they're wrong to have downvoted you.
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 11667 points ยท Posted at 14:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman stabs boyfriend after finding him naked"
Well that seems a little extreme, what's wrong with her? That's not a reasonable thing to do.
"On top of..."
This could go anywhere. On top of her house?
"her 12 year old daughter"
Well fuck that guy. Totally reasonable response.
SgtDoughnut ยท 4315 points ยท Posted at 15:07:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah needed more stabbing. He should have been a fine red mist before she stopped.
dumpster_arsonist ยท 5107 points ยท Posted at 15:15:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many is repeatedly?
FountainLettus ยท 1695 points ยท Posted at 15:19:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was stabbed 5 times in the chest, and apparently once in the head by a small pocket knife
dumpster_arsonist ยท 989 points ยท Posted at 15:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How was he stabbed in the chest if he was on top of the daughter? HMMMMMMMM!!!! Hold on, I need to go grab my beige trenchcoat...
lokistar09 ยท 1705 points ยท Posted at 15:28:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not like she had a knife on hand. Caught him. He probably got up and was honey I can explain and she was don't nobody got time for that... And probably got the knife in that time.
Piyamakarro ยท 926 points ยท Posted at 15:35:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He can't explain. No amount of explanation could have changed the outcome.
RMCPhoto ยท 1032 points ยท Posted at 15:51:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I just got out of the shower and noticed that she wasn't breathing! I immediately sprung into action and started giving her CP---Aaaargghhh why are you stabbing me?"
morphite65 ยท 601 points ยท Posted at 16:20:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the lead-in of "CP-Arrr..."
Allaboardthejayboat ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:38:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's now a pirate? This story has legs.
jgraves_99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike all pirates. One legged, pedo pirates strikes again!
the_last_carfighter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedo pirate is like a priest that likes to dress up as a pirate.
TheMemoman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah a match cut in written prose. With dialogue. That's a nice trick.
Well done too. Upvote thoroughly deserved.
sonickarma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Castle Aaauuuuggghhh
pummkineater ยท 324 points ยท Posted at 16:39:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, giving her CPR upon getting out of the shower and noticing she wasn't breathing."
What a rollercoaster.
lurker69 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:31:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit would keep the original title to draw more people, but nobody would actually read the article.
LordBrontes ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:28:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, giving her CPR upon noticing she wasn't breathing after doing a line of cocaine with her as a way to restart her heart after she entered cardiac arrest due to the shock of being sexually assaulted."
Nitro_R ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...FOR Forty people
JamesTrendall ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:16:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think i could contain my rage. My pitchfork can only be lifted so many times before i give and get back to masturbating.
Ragnrok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if she wasn't breathing because she'd eaten peanuts, which she's deathly allergic to, as a suicide attempt from all the times he's raped her?
Stundenglas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M. Night Shyamalan, is it you??
TriforceofCake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...and noticing she wasn't breathing because he choked her."
Pickled_Kagura ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:13:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he distributes it besides making it?!
Pleased_to_meet_u ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha! It took me a moment.
vezance ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:30:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck me that sounds reasonable
xLabrinthx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:38:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What certifications does a pirate medic need before setting sail?
WarriorOfFinalRegret ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:45:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He rapes, but he saves...
PubliusPontifex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:05:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this might be the place that joke went too far.
WarriorOfFinalRegret ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a reference to Chapelle's recent special, just to keep the pitchforks at bay
PubliusPontifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I get the reference, but damn...
cobwebscavern ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pirate style resuscitation.
quantasmm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was giving her CP alright.
pragmacrat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your wording is vague. You got out of the shower and walked around naked in the house knowing a child lives there. Let's say at minimum you tied a towel around yourself, but usually people head to their bedroom to get dressed and not wander around. So unless she collapsed in the path between the bathroom and the bedroom, then it sounds suspicious.
Then you say, "sprung into action and started giving her". Stabbing would have commenced even before the sentence goes any further.
Fubarp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a nudist family.
do_0b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you give some Cyberpunk to someone if they aren't breathing?
Hahonryuu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...CPR, then i thought 'meh' while im here, may as well have some fun."
"So then i decided after she got better i'd take her to the amusement park"
zoicyte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....with my penis!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CP! Case closed. Wonder what they'll find in the basement or his residence.
Naa2078 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My coaches at Penn State taught me you have to be naked for CPR!
Thedeadlypoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he isn't a third grader!
iLiZiUM ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:17:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he just had a very practical approach to sex ed?? People too quick to judge
ILL_DO_THE_FINGERING ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Honey, I know this looks bad, but I tripped and my penis fell inside of her, I swear. This happens to Saudi princes all the time and it happened again but this time it happened to me... what are you doing with that knife?"
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:48:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"She's a little slut and came onto me first!!" Because that's valid
/s
Scolopendra_Heros ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:01:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Listen it was just a sexual emergency. His life shouldn't be ruined over one stupid mistake"
-some scumbag judge somewhere
ProfWhite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Despite the lack of details so far, I really don't think the outcome you're predicting is plausible.
I mean, it's pretty clear this guy isn't a refugee.
Bring on the downvotes.
Scolopendra_Heros ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he bought a Fugees album once, that's gotta count for something right?
HippyHitman ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's that millionaire that got off by saying that he had just finished masturbating (to explain why semen was found) and was still erect, then tripped onto the 17 year old girl sleeping on his couch.
SendPicsOfPicsOfTits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That fucking guy
HippyHitman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about him?
I wish I could know what happens to him. I wouldn't go so far as to wish something bad upon him, but if he were to suffer some kind of tragedy, I'd definitely like to know.
SendPicsOfPicsOfTits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy is one of those proof cases where ya know that money really can buy your way out of any thong.
theoriginalmryeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the same as accidentally falling off a ladder onto an open box of cucumbers?
ThoreauWeighCount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your link actually says the girl was 18 and that his excuse for having semen and an erect penis is that he'd just sex with the teenagerโs 24-year-old friend, not that he'd been masturbating. But oh my God, that is absolutely outrageous!
HippyHitman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woops. I read the article when it was current and just grabbed the first link on google without reading. Close enough.
ThoreauWeighCount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you captured the essence of the story. It's still so absurd that if some TV show tried this plot line you'd think it had jumped the shark, but this is the world we live in.
ScarlettSkarpi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:15:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently that's pretty close to the statement he gave
OtherSpiderOnTheWall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No? His account, if true, is that the mother thought her daughter had feelings for him. Not that he thought that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OtherSpiderOnTheWall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then it's not pretty close.
Anshin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright that might've changed the situation...TO DOUBLE THE STABBING
Upvotes_poo_comments ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:26:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was doing naked push-ups and she slit under me
RustyShacklefordT ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:47:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I mean he stabbed first.
MigYalle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont have time to explain why I dont have to explain
matt-vs-internet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. Maybe a tornado stripped him and threw him on her daughter and he only just regained consciousness.
Shoeboxer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/h3h--K5928M
j_B00G ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tripped
Swineflew1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of a scenario I heard once.
You're in the park and you hear a little girl screaming "help me daddy, please help" and you find a guy tearing the clothes off the little girl. Do you shoot the guy to help the girl, or no?
sleepingqt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was ants, wasn't it
Swineflew1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was ants...
Pm-ur-butt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was taking a shower and heard her screaming; he lept out of the shower, wrapped a towel around his waist and ran to her aid. He may have ran in her room, slipped on a barbie corvette, banged his head on the wall mounted tv, the towel dropped as he fell on the bed. Just then, mom walks in knife in hand (she heard the scream too), poor man is a pincushion.
EDIT: i like my scene better than the rapey one.
EDIT2: why was she screaming? maybe mom surprised her with purple drapes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I know what this looks like, but listen, okay? She got locked in our antique freezer and couldn't get out. When I found her she was blue, but breathing. I heard somewhere that skin to skin contact... I think it was survivorman or.. what's the one with the barefoot guy?" stab stab stab stab stab... stab
Thor1noak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he was a reptilian.
Kantas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh he can explain...
"Honey don't stab me I can explain!"
pauses with knife
"Ok, thanks for letting me explain... I'm a scum bag... please continue"
stab stab stabby stab
PilgrimApollo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I was getting out of the shower and then... Then I fell!"
SlenderLlama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, scumbag piece of shit acting like a scumbag piece of shit.
Juof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. "No officer, it wasnt a murder. Maybe a little bit of a murder but certainly not a murder."
ericstern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Honey I can explain! I'm just a rapist pedophile..."
Ohhhhhh now I get it....
LSU_Tiger_16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says."
nutoreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slipped and fell. An Egyptian millionaire got away with that explanation
Ragnrok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if ISIS put a bomb in the daughter's vagina and
Actually you know what I think you're right.
FountainLettus ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:30:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had a small Swiss army on her at the time
ziris_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:16:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An entire Army from Switzerland? How did the naked scum-of-the-earth get to her if there was already an entire Army from Switzerland on her?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ziris_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Size has nothing to do with it. An entire Army can be quite formidable, even if small in stature. For example, an entire Army of ants is nothing at which to scoff. They may be small, but can pack quite a wallop.
(r/NotKenM because I'm aware of my own ignorance)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I would even argue that smaller size can, at times, provide a tactical advantage.
Take the classic marine vs. stick example.
lokistar09 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Article said she grabbed it. Not necessarily on her either.
FountainLettus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:39:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well it wasn't a giant knife, and I heard from others that she had it on her
RegularSizeLebowski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found a source for that. She definitely had it on her. http://reddit.com/r/news/comments/709vzw/cleveland_woman_repeatedly_stabs_boyfriend_after/dn1njky
Shaybeez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad it wasn't a giant knife.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A machete
OprahsSister ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:53:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she just carries the Swiss army on her all the time?
Edit: this was meant to be a facetious joke on the parent comment's word usage (saying 'a small Swiss army', rather than something like, 'a Swiss Army knife'). Nonetheless, thanks for the input.
shhalahr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:19:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of a pocket knife is to provide quick and easy utility for whatever comes up during the day. It defeats the purpose of you don't carry it on a regular basis.
EleanorofAquitaine ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a woman. I always have pocket knife with me. It stays in my back pocket or in easy reach in the side pocket of my bag.
It comes in handy 3-5 times a week.
PillarsOfRage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. You do a lot of stabbings in a week.
KarkatTheVantas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep a karambit pinned to my bra so I can grab it, open it and cut someone with one motion. I use a karambit because it's super easy to grab and open at the same time. I also carry a few sewing pins there too for less extreme moments/if I need to pin my hair up (sewing pins are great for holding buns btw)
Entish_Halfling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a woman and I carry a pocket knife all the time to.
ThoreauWeighCount ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they call it a pocket knife. I don't need one with my lifestyle, but my dad and sister (to show that this isn't a gender-specific thing) grab their pocket knife in the morning just as automatically as they grab their wallet, and use it at least a few times a week (on practical tasks, not people).
kaynpayn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could. Have a friend who carries 3 sharp shuriken in a tiny purse laced to his belt at all times, you can't I even see them most of the time. ASwiss knife is far more common though.
TastyCroquet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shurikens have got to be some of the least useful bladed objects. I mean... I think a halberd is probably more practical.
kaynpayn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? It's hilarious to see him try to cut something without cutting himself because shurikens have no hands protection lol. But its edgy and looks cool and that's all it really matters, right? /s
sirius4778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of people do.
ButterflyAttack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do come in handy.
joe4553 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not like she was making her daily round to check if her boyfriend was fucking her daughter and had the knife out ready.
Sopissedrightnow84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's also not unusual for regular people to carry a knife on them all the time.
ButterflyAttack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your reconstruction of the incident. I'm imagining his attempts to explain - "Honey. . . I was just coming out the shower. . . I slipped. . . and landed on your twelve year old daughter. . . total accident . . . ha ha ha . . . Wait, why are you picking up that knife. . ?"
Sopissedrightnow84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that's not the case. It could turn it from a very legal "defense of others" action into ADW or attempted murder, and it would really suck if the mother gets more legal problems than the asshole here.
I hope she gets a good lawyer instead of relying on the prosecution being decent people who can look at a situation as a whole.
dumpster_arsonist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ooof...that might not play out well in court for her. Wasn't defending shit at that point. Maybe still justifiable in a jury's eyes. I mean the guy definitely deserves it...but the law might not be on her side if the guy wasn't actively humping.
God_Damnit_Nappa ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:38:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is temporary insanity a thing? Because I can't imagine any rational person staying calm if they walked in on their partner raping their kid.
The article also says the man attacked the woman so she could still claim self defense.
ButterflyAttack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I would be surprised if she served time. But I guess that depends on whereabouts she lives and what the local courts are like. Sadly, the colour of her skin may be a factor too.
lokistar09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if he's naked.... And around a 12 year old. At what point can you stop third party defending the 12 year old?
fuckusnowman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Is it reasonable to stab someone to prevent a sexual offence?" is the question you should be asking?
Edit: just to be clear, this is one of the tests for self-defence. You may well think the guy deserved to get stabbed to death but a genuinely reasonable answer to this question would be the line between acquittal and conviction on a murder charge.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes it is. Unequivocally yes.
fuckusnowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if I grab your ass in a club, it would reasonable to stab me in the neck?
ImAOneTrackLover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it is, but I admit I might have a warped sense of morality.
fuckusnowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Objectively reasonable to a reasonable person acting reasonably.
G4KingKongPun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The answer should be yes if said offense is against a 12 year old
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age should be irrelevant. Stabbing someone to prevent sexual assault should always be okay.
fuckusnowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age isn't really relevant to a claim of self-defence. It's the circumstances that count.
lokistar09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So as long as he's naked.... Got it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After the creep is dead seems like a safe bet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the threat is no longer active in between the time he stops his action and she goes and gets a knife, This is a sticky situation. Vengeful killing will never be justified. Shooting someone in the back running away after they just beat your daughter to death is still no justification in the eyes of the law one life is not more valuable than another. However if they're in the process of beating your daughter to death and you intervene you are justified to protect them. Not defending him or the actions at all just how the law sees it
master_assclown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well she threw him out of the house after fighting with him, he kicked down the front door and then she stabbed him. Self defense will be easy to prove.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One would think so when the child is likely to back her mothers as an seye witness. However in most cases you would need to prove that him kicking in the front door was in an attempt to case harm to the person inside for that to be relevant. He has just as much right to being inside of the domicile as her especially if they are both on the lease. It is not the mothers place to remove someone from the household that is the duty of the police. However I will give you some merit that it does not look good if he was stabbed then left the scene and came back to kick in the door. That's pretty damning I will agree.
master_assclown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? She has cuts all over her and marks on her throat. The daughter already did tell police he raped her. Pretty simple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't prove self defense though is what i'm saying. She could still be in the wrong if she stabbed him and he wasn't an immediate threat at the time, such as he just finished raping her for example and then she stabbed him as he was leaving he has a stab wound on the back of his head. Then they scuffle after he is stabbed causing the marks on her as they wrestle over a knife she is actively stabbing him with. He then leaves and comes back to kick in the door. Which part of this is simple ? You wouldn't need a post graduate degree to practice it, if it was as simple as you're claiming it is. She can be charged with domestic violence/Mutual Combat and assault with a deadly weapon if this is the case. Likely not being convicted but it could still happen and be a justified claim depending on the situation. He was the initial aggressor however she escalated the situation.
SEX-MACHINE1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Than don't bother to call the fucking cops...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well.. That's one outlook. I would recommend calling the cops much sooner rather than after the stabbing she would be able to be a much more valid witness rather than this, becoming a he said she said where someone got stabbed.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:34:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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peekaayfire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
creepy, mate
Reeking_Crotch_Rot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, he was going slow. . .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lokistar09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you... =]
vandalsavagecabbage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't nobody*
https://youtu.be/ydmPh4MXT3g
rudekoffenris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to hear that explanation.
Messisgingerbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a problem, legally. If he had stopped the assault it may hard to argue that the stabbing was not retributive as opposed to defense of another. Same reason police aren't supposed to shoot folks in the back. She could argue it's justifiable if it was ongoing, though.
Sopissedrightnow84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why her story needs to include that he came at her and she felt he was going to harm her, so she continued to defend herself and her daughter.
I hope she lawyers up quickly.
relevents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that scene from Once Were Warriors.
cybercuzco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got your explanation right here
:: FRONT STAB::
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he ended the act after he was caught, how would it still be self-defense? The crime ceased and the police are to be called.
The stabbing seems like something done in anger and not to protect the child who had been raped.
Sopissedrightnow84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends, did he come at her in a threatening manner? A reasonable person could assume that a child rapist caught in the act who is approaching you presents a threat to life.
What she says in the investigation is going to be really important to her future. I hope this doesn't turn on her and bite her.
I understand the reasons for letter of the law but there are times where circumstances should be considered as well.
Iamchinesedotcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't nobody got time for explanations...
You's a gettin' a stabbin'
FoxFluffFur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article specifically said she used her pocket knife.
lokistar09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pocket knife is a type of knife. Doesn't mean that it's always in your pocket.....
FoxFluffFur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>in the back of the head
>"fit of rage" indicates moment of impulsive behavior
Signs point to her having the pocket knife on her person.
korgothwashere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've carried a knife in my pocket nearly every single day for the past 18 years. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she had it on her, but if you find someone on top of your daughter, I'd bet the first instinct is to try and pull them off of her......then the stabbing instinct kicks in.
Spock_the_difference ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Ain't." Ain't nobody got time for that. Just rolls better of the tongue
Envia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before doing that read the damn article. There was a struggle in which he fought her too. The lady and the daughter both had lacerations.
dumpster_arsonist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit! There's no damned time for that! I need my comically oversized magnifying glass and handy dandy notepad like NOW!
Thanh42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you some freak lovechild of Dick Tracy, Inspector Clouseau, and Steve from Blue's Clues?
SiegfriedKircheis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put on my robe and wizard hat... wait. No. No I dont.
APater6076 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One last thing....
gypsyakalandpirate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently she had a small pocket knife on her for whatever reason. After the back of the head stab he turned around is my guess. Only problem with this is the knife wasn't big enough imo
Holybutter_ball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagined she stabbed him in the back of the head first.
u-vii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Through the bed like that bit in Friday 13th
braised_diaper_shit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was buttfucking him.
fulminedio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one in the back of the head could have been first. Then he could have spun around.
Eucrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't as helpful as I had hoped.
NSFW
dumpster_arsonist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right...need higher resolution STAT!
vandalsavagecabbage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why beige trenchcoat? Ik it's figure of speech but donno wat
FlingFlamBlam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you could say she... gave him a reach-around.
VinzentValentyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First stab is to the back of the head. He turns around and there are five more stabs to the chest. Easy peasy, boyfriend sounds sleazy
Durbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or she approached him from the back and tried to reach over his shoulder to make a downward arc aimed for his heart?
thiscouldbemassive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did no one read the article? It said she and he fought over the knife after she stabbed him the first time.
Cyborg_rat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article has a nice story, the guy even kicked down the front door apparently, but she went out side screaming someone tried to touch her daughter so its a pretty confusing story.
counterfitfake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure trench coats are evoking the image you are hoping to here in this thread, given the subject.
BassAddictJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you Huey Lewis and the News?
blackhawkjj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im guessing that was where the stab to the back of the head came in. I know if I was stabbed in the back of the head my first response would probably be to stop raping and turn around
kontoSenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to do a Phoenix Wright turnabout
pppp2222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, people never move. Veeeery weird.
skonthebass24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the one stab in the back of the head which probably stood him up quick
stickmanDave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing the stab to the head got his attention.
Slappah_Dah_Bass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now is not the time for you to go around flashing people!
katchaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's doing it wrong.
caramel_drop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she hsd the swiss knife on her, it went down like this. She stabbed him in the head first he turned around and got stabbed him in the chest.
Taco_Bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No trench coat needed, I am pretty sure that even to a child rapist, getting stabbed is the international signal for stop, turn around and see who is stabbing you.
mistermorteau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When he tried to strangle her, maybe...
wwaxwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine he stopped when he was doing and stood up when approached by an angry woman wielding a knife & trying to stab him.
tipsana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hit him once in the back of the head (as the article notes), he rolls over, and she keeps going at him.
citizensnips134 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her daughter was made of knives.
ramblinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She probably stabbed him in the head first then he got up and faced her and she proceeded to stab him in the chest.
Kylynara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe she had the pocket knife with her, stabbed him in the back of the head, then he got off the girl to fight her and got stabbed 5 times in the chest. At least that seems the most logical from reading the article.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says in the article; they both struggled for the knife after fighting, and she ended up pushing him outside the house and then stabbing him. The link to the article is right there and the story isn't even that long.
The_Moon_Piece ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"[He] was stabbed five times in his chest and once in the back of his head". Simple- he was on top of the daughter, mother stabs him in the back of his head, he turns around.
UndeadBread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was lying on his back. They weren't doing anything sexual; she was just a super comfy bed.
Tony49UK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try reading the article.
AfterReview ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming the chest stabs came first.
Let me ask you, you find a naked man on top of your 12 year old daughter, where you stabbing?
Head.
Either.
Then you perforate the rest of that worthless meat sack.
Bleedthebeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? Said the daughter gave a different account to police. She said he put his hand up her shirt and down her pants and took his clothes off. Even if he wasn't actually on top of her Moms reaction is still pretty justified.
AliBurney ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:38:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Needs more stabbing.
There should be atleast 7 stabceptions
Edit: stabcursion.
ception_bot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:38:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The concept you are referring to is actually recursion, not inception.
FountainLettus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bot for everything
fullforce098 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it lets go all the way: why was this guy's head still attached to his body?
NothingsShocking ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first thing I thought of was the liveleak video where the dude gets stabbed in jail repeatedly. it's weird, if there's no context, you'd be like, damn, that's fucked up. But like if it were this here rapist boy, we'd all probably be like yeah! fucking stab him more, there, in the face, in his eye!! bitch. I dunno, maybe that's just me, I get pissed reading news sometimes. where's my zoloft?
ProfWhite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She already stabbed him five times. She was already going to have to answer a few questions. I mean...
Why not take the opportunity to stab him in the dick, too? I'm sure adrenaline took over and she was probably on autopilot, and it's hard for me to say where adrenaline would take me if it were my kid - but I'm pretty sure I'd have stabbed the guy in the dick.
capron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, that's not rage, that's something way passed that, if she had the presence of mind to pull out a knife, then unfold it, and then stab him. I mean, good for her if the guy is molesting the daughter, but holy shit stay out of her way she's an angel of vengeance.
likingisaproblem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's weird, or maybe it's not weird, is that as she was headed to bed, she had a lockable blade pocketknife on her. Not some damn Swiss Army knife that would have cut her fingers off on the first attempted plunge into his head, but a real and lockable blade.
Entish_Halfling ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:22:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that weird? I carry a pocket knife all the time. I have for years. At this point it feels stranger if my knife isn't in my pocket. I've headed to bed with it still in my pocket a million times. And I'm a woman also. If that matters to you. Some people have seemed stunned that a woman would carry a pocket knife.
Edit: Also, mine's a lockable blade as well. Its a Kershaw with a tanto point and the bottom has a serated edge so it's versatile. Yes, I love my knife. Its got me out of a jam on numerous occasions.
GiverOfTheKarma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is pretty strange for a 12 year old girl to be carrying a pocket knife in her own home, but I guess considering the boyfriend was a pedophile rapist it probably isn't all that strange.
Entish_Halfling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The adult woman was carrying the pocket knife and that's who did the stabbing not the 12 year old
GiverOfTheKarma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, now, that actually makes a lot more sense. I read that he was stabbed in the chest and that he was on top, so I assumed the girl did the stabbing.
PuddleZerg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did she stab him everywhere else with?
poopcasso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too few, but acceptable
PatFlynnEire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She showed admirable restraint.
alexmikli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm imagining that she stabbed him with a kitchen knife the first 5 times then pulled out a second knife and stabbed him twice in the head.
InsaneBeagle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Needed to stab him about 32 more times.
Gunzby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not satisfied with that number. Considering the crime it should've read that he was stabbed meh times
luker_man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C-C-C-Combo!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but how many times did the woman stab him?
filo93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child's play. Varg Vikernes would like to have a word.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:55:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who carries a pocket knife?
jiafish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:04:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a pocket knife. Why wouldn't u carry it in ur pocket
Dynamiklol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A huge amount of people.
FountainLettus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of prepared people
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
37 times.
Joshtheatheist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:41:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just got gold for asking a four word question
dumpster_arsonist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. The guilder has made an egregious error in judgment. I am not worthy of this. I feel like that ugly stripper that someone tips as a joke and she keeps getting money because guys are buying dances for their buddies from her and laughing about it.
selahbrate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Word has it she's still stabbing
littlep2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere between a few and a bunch.
D4venport ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some say she is still stabbing him this very minute...
holemilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choose a number between 2 and infinity
-LEMONGRAB- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently 6.
babygrenade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's still doing it.
seriouslycuriousboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it wasn't in front of her daughter
chpz1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
KiwiMaoriJapan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this username, and question suspicious to anyone except me?
Miroku226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than "mildly" and less than "excessively"
nubery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not enough. He's alive.
joe4553 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough that he doesn't need to ask if the relationship is over.
HoDerWoahDer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not enough if he's still alive
cbow120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least 3
Tesrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
30 at minimum. Judas was paid 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus and a knife usually has a finish akin to that of silver. He then goes on to betray the mothers trust by molesting her daughter.
My point is thirty stabs is justified anything beyond that is just giving them a tip.
loganjvickery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not enough?
JediJofis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it's enough
hollowkatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Less than enough, clearly. He was still identifiable
thidum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not enough in my oppinion
closingtime13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say about a goddamnmanyhundred
trippy_grape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ten times.
deputypresident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got to be more than once.
moonpotatoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the bare minimum would be at least 2 stabs?
Awesomekip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
obitrice-kanobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy probably read the article
DarkGemini1979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not enough.
tuxedo_jack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He ran into her knife. He ran into her knife... 10 times.
He had it coming. He had it coming.
He only had himself to blame!
If you'd been there, if you'd've seen it?
I bet you you would have done the same!
Spartcus3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like 2 I think?
inarizushisama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He ran into my knife, he ran into my knife ten times!
fireinthesky7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds, you say?
KinaseCascade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
33.33 -- repeating of course -- percentage of survival.
Indricus ยท 610 points ยท Posted at 15:26:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman feeds man into woodchipper after finding him naked on top of her twelve year old daughter"
Sounds nice, but there's an element of premeditation there that could result in charges, even given the circumstances.
itty53 ยท 190 points ยท Posted at 15:45:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you, I insisted years ago that my wife and I keep a wood-chipper in the bedroom. For reasons.
So potentially, I'll be able to argue that it was a crime of passion. It was just there, ready to use, like a knife or gun.
albatross-salesgirl ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:27:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We keep a siege ballista in our bedroom for the same reasons. The offending person just has to stand still a second.
mschley2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:53:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The siege ballista in my bedroom is kept loaded and ready for fire, ya know, for science or history or whatever.
itty53 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Filthy. Everyone knows that the superior siege weapon is the noble trebuchet.
HodlMyEther ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:07:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but do you have a trebuchet? I hear it's much more effective for launching naked pedos up to an altitude that's guaranteed to be fatal!
albatross-salesgirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we don't have a skylight.
...yet.
inaltrare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell of a clean up tho .
BenMcAdoos_ElCamino ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:30:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been married 27 years, there no chance of wood in my bedroom.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:43:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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itty53 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:44:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about the planning.
Saucermote ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We use ours for spiders.
Wyliecody ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a solid plan.
Mex-Box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just and accident? I mean, it is already there.
matts2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect after your trip through the woodchipper you won't be able to argue anything.
wildo83 ยท 265 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However given sufficient evidence this would be a justifiable homicideโฆ There was a case a while back I just watched a short documentary on about a guy whose son was repeatedly raped by a karate instructor and he shot the dude in the head and the jury let him walk because it was "justifiable homicide"
Schwifty_Pickle_69 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:01:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a case of a farmer in Texas who caught one of his farm hands trying to rape his daughter. He beat the guy to death with his bare hands and ended up being acquitted of the charges.
DragonflyGrrl ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:59:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamned right. There should be a special medal given to people in these circumstances.
jackalsclaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:47 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-father-beat-death-daughters-molester/story?id=16612071
Indricus ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:12:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly the issue is that 99.99% of the populace don't happen to have a woodchipper handy, so you'd have to go rent one first, and that cuts a bit into the 'crime of passion'/justifiable homicide defense. If you have a gun and use it, sure, but if you have to go buy a gun and sit through a waiting period/background check, you really ought to have just called the cops on the dude. And yes, it's okay to call the cops on someone better off dead, but make sure neither you nor your kids are home when they show up. Situation can be volatile enough without that.
VapeShopEmployee ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:14:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember that story correctly, the karate instructor went on the run for a while. When the cops finally found him they flew him back home. As the cops were escorting him through the airport, with news cameras filming, dad turns around from a payphone put a revolver to his head and blows his brains out in front of everyone. Only one bullet was fired, the cops didn't even tackle him because they immediately knew it was dad getting revenge for his son. Was 100% premeditated, but justified in my eyes and the courts.
HueyPLong35 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:23:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gary why?
He's a fucking child rapist that's why.
VapeShopEmployee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the link, that story has been burned into my brain since I saw it.
Ebmoclas ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:14:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh. That guy wasn't just raping that poor kid, iirc he also kidnapped him. Horrible situation for the whole family. I'm normally against the death penalty, but I can't muster up one once of pity for that piece of shit. He got everything he deserved.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:22:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it the guy who pretended to be on a pay phone and then shot the dude while he was being taken by police?
wildo83 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one!
Bigfrostynugs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:19:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And not only did he shoot the guy, he did it while he the rapist was being escorted by police.
kryssiecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we talking about a real story or the plot of A Time To Kill?
Bigfrostynugs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/_PUE8fYxjq8
kryssiecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man! What a shot! That cop who was walking him through the airport is damn lucky Gary made an excellent shot.
Bigfrostynugs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah seriously.
chevymonza ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:21:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also heard something similar: Woman walks in on a man (not sure of the relationship and details) watching porn with her toddler daughter. The woman calmly called her daughter over, removed her from the situation, got a gun and went back to shoot the guy dead.
Jury was pretty lenient for this one as well.
The_White_Light ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:38:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but this isn't like an exemption in the law, that's just Jury Nullification.
Wholesome_Meme ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:42:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um.... Now I don't like the fact that porn is being played while a toddler is in the room.... But to shoot the guy for that? That's murder. Unacceptable. Now if the toddler was naked and being molested okay but some boobs on the tube? That woman better be in jail that's unacceptable use of force in that situation.
bananaboobs ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:10:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called grooming, for fucksake.
Wholesome_Meme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:47:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure is. Isn't punishable by vigilante killings though.
chevymonza ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porn is not just nudity. What did you think the guy was gonna do, hold hands and watch porn the whole time?
ccruner13 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:13:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, of course. Execution for thought crime, if he was even thinking it. Nice.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:07:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a father I'd be hard pressed to not do the same thing if it were my kids involved.
WickedLilThing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:09:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a "thought crime" if he's grooming her so he can rape her in the very near future?
Wholesome_Meme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a matter for the judge and jury to decide, not the parent. Unless they're actively being molested, all you know is porn is playing in the same room. It could be a movie scene for God's sake. If you're okay with executing someone based off one sentence, I sure hope you don't ever hold a position of power.
WickedLilThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that, I'm objecting to him simplifying the event. It was much darker than what he portrayed it to be.
bananaboobs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:11:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grooming a child by normalizing sexualized behaviour. Nice.
Fucking idiot.
chevymonza ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:20:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you consider this nothing suspicious? Like watching cartoons? Okay then...........
s0m30n3e1s3 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:20:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some folks just need killing
wildo83 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really purged the shit out of this planet buuurp Morty.
Cyanized7 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I remember about that was that they lived in a small town where almost everyone was like family. Almost everyone sympathized with the father, so when the jury reached a verdict they chose not guilty.
sightandsounds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/_PUE8fYxjq8
wildo83 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one!
superm8n ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:31:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Dad was waiting for the Karate instructor... it was definitely "premeditated".
Phamine1313 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:39:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you forgot - on live television, in front of the police, at an airport
wildo83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bold move, Cotton.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the implication that if you had a guy at the point where you could feed him to a woodchipper he was already subdued or dead, if dead you could now be seen as trying to cover up your homicide. If subdued, while I can't blame a parent for their actions after walking in to that situation, if the perpetrator is subdued, I don't think it's completely okay to go on to murder them by feeding them to a woodchipper.
nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'd have let him go were I on that jury.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading about that one and being so happy that the jury did the right thing! And yet, lots of people were saying it set a precedent for vigilante justice. My response to that is if the vigilantes are going after child molesters, maybe we need vigilantes.
vonmonologue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Texas or Florida?
Umas_Feet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This particular case wasn't a homicide, the rapist was treated for his wounds and will probably live.
RiblessAdam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They call that place Texas.
RiblessAdam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They call that place Texas.
Asraia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that happen.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You saw it happen in person? Or the TV footage?
Asraia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:49 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TV footage. Not sure if I was appalled or applauding.
verdam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's the same documentary I watched, what was the deal with the tracheotomy guy?? No one in the comments addressed that
wildo83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what a lifetime of smoking does to you. Lol
CrushHazard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's called jury nullification.
mugdays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird, "homicide" is unjustified killing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:20 on September 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HippyHitman ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the jury was just wrong in that case.
The only justifiable homicide is in self defense or defense of another from imminent harm. Certain states presume imminent harm if someone has broken into your house, but other than that it's pretty clear cut.
Baerren ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:44:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly not, there is a definite leniency for crimes of that nature. I guess the more refined argument for it is that given the extreme circumstances the murderer wasn't in a position to properly control and process their actions which is something a lot of the jury members would sympathize with and take into consideration
HippyHitman ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leniency, sure. Not acquittal. He was probably guilty of premeditated murder. You're right they could argue temporary insanity, paternal instincts are inherent in all males, but even still he shouldn't have skated. Anyone who is unable to control their temper to the point that they drive to a person and shoot them in the head definitely needs some rehabilitation.
Edit: so I guess the people downvoting me don't believe in a fair trial? Let's just start a mob and hang some people?
Just like we did to that poor man after the Boston Bombing! Isn't vigilantism great?
ProfWhite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you're saying the repeated rape of a child isn't imminent harm?
HippyHitman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:05:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no no. This was justifiable, because he was raping her. In the karate example, the best solution would be to not take your kid to that karate studio anymore and call the police.
Vigilantism is illegal, and it's illegal for a good reason. Everyone deserves a fair trial, or else we'd be burning witches.
Edit: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Reddit supports witch hunts.
likeafuckingninja ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why juries don't work. I'm not saying I can come up with a better system. But juries are made up of people with real human emotions who haven't been trained to ignore them and follow a set of cold hard laws.
This is perfectly fine, sometimes the legal system needs a heart. And no one can fault any jury for being swayed by their emotions when it comes to child molestation.
But that doesn't change the fact murder is murder and you can't simple change the fact because the guy who got murdered was a shit. Otherwise we'd all be free to murder whomever we liked.
Justifiable homicide or self defence is perfectly valid if you find a situation, react, and someone is killed accidentally. Like defending yourself with a baseball bat and that one swing was just well aimed.
Its not justifiable if you knock them unconscious with that swing. The carry on going til their dead.
I can completely understand the reaction to behave that way. I honestly can't say I'd be any different if it was my kid. But that doesn't negate the fact you committed homicide. Especially if the homicide came after the guy was already subdued and able to be arrested.
But yeah. Totally not surprised the general view of people is its perfectly fine to go around murdering people who have done something they feel means they deserve it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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likeafuckingninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The exact same problem is at work in both cases. It just in this case instead of an innocent person being locked up someone who was not inherently a bad person was given leniency.
But fundamentally in both cases the jury was lead by preconception, emotions and prejudice.
Not the evidence presented and the law, which is what they are supposed to do.
Again, I can't blame juries for this, it's incredibly hard to seperate yourself from how a case makes you feel. But that's the problem with asking 12 rando's of varying degree's of culture/intelligence/social standing/education etc to make a decision over something that complex.
kurt_go_bang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make good points. I like to focus on the part of "jury of your peers". Your peers are those around you and are a representation of the values of the area you live in. You state the law must be absolute. I tend to think very few things are absolute. A jury of peers of a man that murdered with premeditation finds him not guilty and lets him off. Well IMO justice was served by the standards we have set. They have to live with the man being let off and I think the majority is ok with that. If they had not been ok with him walking free, they could've easily locked him up.
I think the peers part is very important because they are able to take circumstances into consideration, whereas a absolute system cannot.
likeafuckingninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:50 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, I'm not sure there's a better system. Life isn't black and white, and neither are most people's actions.
I suppose an improvement may be to not allow the juries say to be final? It can have a heavy weight to it to be taken into maximum consideration when sentencing. Or have the legal system define the guilt in certain circumstances.
Like in this case, the woman had clearly killed the guy. There is no question of whether or not she did it. So by the law the verdict is guilty.
The Judge could instead present a 'level of guilt' options for them to decide on based on evidence?
For my jury service when it became apparent we could not decide between guilty or not guilty on a murder charge we were informed we could advise not guilty of murder BUT guilty of manslaughter. It allowed a third option where the letter of law was 'a person has died and this person did it' but accounted for the human element of context 'it was not premeditated or deliberate and should not carry as harsh a sentence'
I don't think simply the jury having to live with what they decide is enough. I walked away from my jury service and didn't look back, i did my service, the outcome had no bearing on my life whatsoever. It should also be noted juries can contain some of the most lackadaisical individuals ever. One on mine slept through most of the trial, another was only 18 and to nervous in a room full of adults to voice his opinion and just went with the majority, and I personally swayed the opinions of the 4 jurors with my arguments leading to a completely different outcome at the end of the day to where we started (i mean that's sort of the point of a jury but it does demonstrate how easily people can change their minds)
It was also interesting to note I did my service at the old Bailey in London - 14 odd miles from my home in a fairly nice neighbourhood for the trial of two boys 14 odd miles in the other direction in one of the poorest parts of the city. The difference in our lives is massive - a jury of their peers could not have been further from the truth.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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supersouporsalad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I would buy fruity pebbles if they had no froot loops
CMDR_Sunless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
Would you choose lawlessness over vigilantism, if police were not a choice?
HippyHitman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I certainly can. If you don't believe in the system, change it. The answer is not to start killing people based on accusations.
Ebmoclas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc the instructor had kidnapped the boy and was found with him only after he had raped him more than once. I don't think it was as ambivalent as an allegation when the father shot him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to reddit mob mentality.
It can teach you a lot about people and how quick they are to make decisions based on fleeting emotions
Dammit_Jessie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn straight
HeinousCalcaneus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I referenced this same video as well a few weeks ago it's a pretty good case on it and i kinda enjoyed that the father said he would do it again for his son don't get me wrong murders awful and it's not the murder I enjoyed it was that the man was selfless enough to be ready to sacrifice himself to get vengeance for his son.
With that being said it's obviously not a good idea to murder anyone with a "justifiable homicide" outlook it most likely will not end well for whomever does it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sacrifice himself for his son's vengeance?
Yes, I'm so sure his son enjoys being semi famous after this incident and not having his father around any more
HeinousCalcaneus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His father didn't go to jail or get any repercussions and yes his father was willing to throw away his life for his son. They did an interview with his father and the son at they're house.
True_Kapernicus ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:38:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is such bollocks, rape does not justify murder. Also, if they'd been better parents, their son would have told them about the pervert karate instructor before he raped their son repeatedly.
Anyone who shoots a man straight in the head in cold blood is a ****ing psycho.
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:26:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment makes me sick. As if parenting has anything to do with whether a child tells them about repeated sexual abuse. Read up on "grooming" and the psychological effects of sexual assault on children.
I'm not commenting on the murder. There's no point.
sinisterskrilla ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go to the wiki article about the dad who killed the rapist. Go to the references. Click the 3rd link, it is an ESPN story about the incident/son. In it the son explains that he couldn't tell his Dad because he had heard his dad say "if anyone ever touched my son I will kill him" multiple times. The son, Jody, said that he knew he couldn't tell anyone because his Dad said he would (theoretically at the time) kill the perv.
So in this instance you are just plain wrong. Now the larger context of these saddening cases, I'm sure you are somewhat right. But to act as if the parents words and actions preceding the event mean nothing is very wrong (the parents strong religious beliefs, them being close friends with the abuser, them having violent behavior, etc.)
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:13:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how I was wrong. My comment was that a child not telling their parents about sexual abuse =/= poor parenting. I didn't comment on other reasons a child could feel unable to tell their parents, only on the behavior of a pedophile convincing a child to keep the secret.
I appreciate the insight into this case that you've given, as I wasn't able to read as extensively. I agree with your point that parents' words and actions have many effects on a child. In this case, the boy was scared by both men. He was raped repeatedly, and then kidnapped! There isn't just one reason this child was unable to tell someone. Life isn't that simple.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:58:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman disintegrates man with a Zat gun after finding him naked on her 12 year old daughter"
atomic1fire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, I prefer a cannon loaded with grapeshot, just as the founding fathers intended.
jackalsclaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:43 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what a coroner would make of someone killed with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun
Vio_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ol' Bobby Singer treatment.
CurraheeAniKawi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should just be the standard sentencing the courts hand out.
WayneKrane ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:50:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a jury member and she said she tortured him for days until he died I would still find her not guilty.
Indricus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not as certain as you. I would certainly want some professionals to evaluate her mental health after something like that. It's not about whether the punishment is justifiable, it's about a person having the capability to deliver it that is worrisome.
Ghaarial ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty obvious you've never experienced anything of the sort. And I hope you never do.
Indricus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:33:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why people with obvious biases or otherwise incapable of impartiality aren't supposed to act as judge or jury. Of course, we don't actually have a justice system, so you'll be just fine serving on a jury despite your clear inability to even consider the possibility of someone being guilty and a danger to themselves or others.
Ghaarial ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is suggesting otherwise.
Slow your projection. I never said a damn thing about any of that and you have zero ability to determine whether or not I'm actually living in an area/situation where this is at all relevant.
You cannot possibly understand the state of mind of a person who has either been directly victimized or traumatized through the victimization of a loved one when it comes to sexual violence.
Suggesting that someone being capable of torturing/killing a person who inflicted one of the worst traumas imaginable on them should require "a mental health evaluation" is both supremely dickish and also highly indicative of your lack of ability to empathize.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:57:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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julbull73 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the summons is semi random.
However, that attitude will get you on a jury. Both sides get to "protect" certain jurors and dismiss jurors.
Also you would change your mind very quick once you see specifics and likewise repercussions.
simkatu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. That's not how it works. First they go through the jury pool and eliminate anyone who cannot be impartial. That's called a challenge for cause. If either or both attorneys believe a jury cannot be impartial they ask the judge to remove them from the panel. Once they have a certain number (36 is a common number for serious crimes) then each attorney gets 12 peremptory challenges which means they can remove 12 jurors from the 36 for any reason. Typically they alternate back and forth in case both attorneys want to dismiss the same person from the pool.
In no situation is someone going to be allowed to serve after stating that he intends to convict or exonerate the witness no matter what the evidence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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julbull73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be interested in the details. Would also be a great karma grab if you did an ama.
Also doesn't that conviction remove you from the pool permanently?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Indricus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you're not going to get an easy conviction or heavy sentencing, but prosecutors are always going to look a lot closer at premeditated acts, and will bring charges even if they are uncertain that is even possible to get a conviction because, because we need to have some semblance of rule of law.
CrushHazard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we? It's seems that a lot of Americans in this day and age are willing to interpret just about anything on an emotional level and ignore the need for blind justice.
The_Follower1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could imagine this being self-defence. Self defence can cover defending other people.
Bradyhaha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a jury in the world would convict her.
Consinneration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she'd have to do something about that wood. A man can stay erect for hours after dying. Haven't you ever watched Clerks?
1lapulapu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, depending on the level of dispersion, she could get a fine for littering.
matts2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why charge him after he's been woodchipped?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone trying to bring charges against this woman can eat a bag of decaying dicks.
loadingmikke88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds nice ya. Uff da, lots of snow these days. A man at the bar said he gets crazy down by the lake, he got so crazy he jumped into the wood chipper.
Bleedthebeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crimes of passion are a thing. It happens a lot actually where someone knowingly commits murder and gets away with it simply because the situation they were in was so terrible it's hard to imagine any not committing the murder. Like that guy that got killed while raping a baby or battered housewives who snap and murder their husbands or this lady who shanked her bf 6 times.
harriharlot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty easy to slip and fall into a wood chipper.
Banana___Hammock ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:54:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you would have done much more to punish him, internet warrior.
Alexlayden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the reference
Cautemoc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:37:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, getting rid of the defense that it was a temporary mental break and instead being tried for murder would totally be a good idea.
wildo83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be ruled as "justifiable homicide." There was a short documentary I watched a while back about a karate instructor that repeatedly raped a guy's son, so the dad shot the instructor in the head. He walked with "justifiable homicide." I'll see if I can find it.
Edit: Gary Plauche was the father.
Cautemoc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm at work so I'm not gonna watch that now, but I'll definitely take a look. "Justifiable homicide" sounds awfully close to encouraging vigilante justice unless the instructor was making threats of some kind.
ContentsMayVary ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should have cut his fucking dick off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you realize it's just her side of why she stabbed someone.
MandatorySuicide ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I understand about how prisoners think of child rapists brought in, he will most likely have one of those wounds reopened to be proper fucked, and not by a 12 year old.
SupSumBeers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was my daughter the guy would be unrecognisable. There wouldn't be any teeth left for a dental id.
SEX-MACHINE1987 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this was my daughter I would strangle him with a trash bag then round up his family too and bury them all together in the desert.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol all the lurking pedophiles are downvoting you guys
SEX-MACHINE1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea too bad our community is infiltrated by perverts.
bashfulblowfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
SgtDoughnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how is his wife?
ThatMedusaYouPlayed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thought exactly.
BobbyD1790 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. This deserves a full Lizzie Borden.
troll_trollerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pictured a Dexter scene when reading this
Dr_Frasier_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "Arias" treatment. Excellent choice, Sir.
squeezethecatssack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you mean?
horsenbuggy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Needed more castrating.
Dammit_Jessie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was dissappointed she used a pocket knife. Seems the guy is fine after being stabbed 5x in the chest and once in the head.
9fingfing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do I get a few stabs in there?
riptide747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
mbleslie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you reminded me of scratchtasia
silentjay01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something from Sin City.
silentjay01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something from Sin City.
_MKUltraViolet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*chunky salsa
Studmystery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I stab, stab, stab. I love stabbing" -Julius Pepperwood
ExoticsForYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but he's also on top of her daughter. Sure, he should die, but in prison, after the other inmates find out what he did. The daughter had been through enough, no?
JamesTrendall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prove that bubbling puddle of slime was a person, then charge me with murder....
Cant charge me with murder if you cant identify the mess as a human.
Redditor_on_LSD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She put on her robe and wizard hat.
nedonedonedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe she stopped so he'd die slower
theghostwithoutaname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He I go stabbing again....
CearaLucaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds, you say?
Aoxxt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you people think this way? Think about doing more harm to someone and the gore that comes with it. you are just as sick as the child rapist.
Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously the woman wasn't a professional. Not polite or efficient at all.
OnlyRoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if that's a good thing considering she would stab a man to death that is on top of her small daughter.. I'm more worried about the daughter's sanity here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:34:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we really condoning murdering a man for being a pedofile? He needs help to inhibit any future sexual advances on children. Not murder.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:16:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aah, so being judge jury and executioner is perfectly fine?
I see.
Tiapaa ยท 1759 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mhm, okay, so it's not related to Florida Man.
Interesting... wonder what she did.
Repeatedly what, I wonder? Onto the next word.
What? Don't tell me she stabbed another human being.
Dear god! She should be jailed! What a monster.
I don't know for sure if there was a direct causality involved yet, but it happened after some other event.
Damn, this is thrilling. I wonder what this murderous woman found. Something offensive I bet.
Uh oh. What did the boyfriend do?
He must have been doing something really wrong for her to be stabbing him.
This preposition doesn't give me any interesting information. Onto the next word.
Was he on a roof? Her car? The possibilities are endless.
Mount Everest? Her face?
Nooooooooo. He deserved everything. But what was their relationship?
I retract my previous statement. The man is clearly the one who is the monster. But what's the source for this claim?
Fair enough, but how was this information transmitted to the public? Was it verbalized or put forth through interpretive dance?
What an exciting sequence of events.
ElyssiaWhite ยท 460 points ยท Posted at 16:50:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do this for every post.
Edit: r/overthinkingtitles or something lads??
[deleted] ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:51:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ElyssiaWhite ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So confirmed doing it? Great!
DragonflyGrrl ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:01:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even the same person.
full-wit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:27:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope this becomes a thing on Reddit
munnimi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U gun 'av a long-ass night.
Tiapaa ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the fact that you've edited your post two hours after making it. My comment must've left a mark!
Oh, you've made a subreddit already? That's wild. Better click the link.
Update: the link didn't exist. So disappointed.
Ah, so it was just a suggestion about what it could be called. But exactly who are you addressing with your comment?
Fair and square.
ElyssiaWhite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude I know just the subreddit for this!
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:35:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we need a bot for this
UchihaDivergent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This! He made it like a hundred times better!
Dr_SnM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need to code a bot
starhussy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My God, you read slow
DetectiveInMind ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact you said
And followed up with
Makes me wonder what your true intentions are.
kunibob ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:10:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would suck to be behind you in traffic.
"Caution" closes eyes ah, what a fascinating journey this will b-
Handsome_Jackalope ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is the thought process of Todd Chavez.
rfkz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12-year old doesn't necessarily mean child. Could be a twelve year old rug or a twelve year old horse.
Don't go jumping to conclusions.
Tiapaa ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:18:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I should've read slower.
Edit:
Twelve what? Money bags?
Was he on a 12-year trip around the world? Get to the interesting part.
Was he lying on top of 12-year-old whiskey or something, or what are you trying to say? I have no idea.
WHAT THE FUCK
PorcupineTheory ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright! I get to disturb this guy!
Shit! I need to read faster.
lilpooch ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:23:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahah, amazing. Hate comments like his, who the fuck reads it like that?
HolmatKingOfStorms ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:16:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone, just more quickly
B_J_Bear ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment was the most fun I've had all day - please do this for all news-related posts!
Sleazus_Khrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More.more .more
okay_fine_you_got_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are my hero. I burst out laughing
Vemasi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article is great citation-wise. It says some variation of "records say" at the end of almost every paragraph.
UtCanisACorio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. Most if not all prepositions following the word "naked" are likely going to lead to something interesting.
Giraffozilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a small correction, when I reached "after" I thought she kidnaped or raped, not that the man did something
garrlker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just read this in Cr1TiKaL/penguinz0's voice and it was amazing
the-eighth-dwarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved every second of this
helloimcody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking hilarious
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 16:40:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BobTehCat ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:11:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
now yours is.
LetsDiscourse ยท 592 points ยท Posted at 15:11:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still alive, she should have kept stabbing...
scam_radio ยท 552 points ยท Posted at 15:24:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey at least now he'll get to rot in prison surrounded by people who hate child rapists...
gishlich ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 15:36:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With old stab wounds.
BezniaAtWork ยท 399 points ยท Posted at 15:38:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extra holes
LifeWin ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:53:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have unlocked the special skill, septuple penetration!
Iamnotelephant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speed holes Flanders.
karnyboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fuckin
atomictyler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speed holes
Markol0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poket knife. So you know those holes are tight!
in_some_knee_yak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy prisons.
Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the best way to condemn rapists is definitely more rape.
lomika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he catches mrsa or something just as nasty.
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On his dick. MRSA dick could turn into MRSA balls and MRSA taint and MRSA anus. It can all rot off in a necrotic mess.
lomika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect for the paedo!
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't usually wish ill on others. This, tho... I feel such viciousness toward paedos (cooler spelling than ours, imo!).
lomika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it true he hasn't been charged?!
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Per an update on the original article:
A Cleveland man faces felony charges after his girlfriend found him sexually assaulting her 12-year-old daughter and stabbed him several times... records say.
Troy Parks, 31, is charged with rape and gross sexual imposition....
The mother of the victim has not been charged with any crimes.
Asraia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmmmm yummy visual
Phamine1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to compliment the new ones he will be receiving!!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the child rapists. At worst, they're probably indifferent to it. I wonder if the child rapists all stick together? Like there's the whites gang, blacks gang, latino gang, then the child rapists gang.
And do all the other gangs overcome their racial bias to come together and beat their asses?
KyleG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also sue her for permanent disfigurement
this is why you make sure the person you're stabbing dies - unless his immediate family is an eyewitness (and thus have a claim for intentional infliction of emotional distress, they can't sue you for it I don't think
I AM NOT YOUR LAWYER. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
meshan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:48:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm all for prisons being used for the rehabilitation of criminals. We need to create citizens of these people. To allow them to integrate and be useful members of society. Then we have child rapists and I'm all for prison justice and anal rape.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cbelaski ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, no. I can at least see times when murder is justified. I see no time when rape would ever be justified.
MY_GOOCH_HURTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if a man raped a female child rapist as payback?
Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know what happens after we someone dies.
But we have evidence of what happens after someone is raped. And we know it's not good. I don't think anything fits the phrase "a fate worse than death" more than rape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in this example, the murder victim isn't the person you're saying is suffering more. All you're arguing with this is that murdering someone's child is worse than raping them, and I can't say I disagree.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just think that whichever causes more suffering is the one that's "worse." I'm sure it's a matter of perspective.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing it again. I'm not the victim there, "my daughter" is. I think rape is a worse thing to do to an individual, but killing a loved one is worse than raping them. But in a two-person, victim-and-perpetrator scenario, I would rather not live than have to live with the trauma of surviving a rape.
ExtraLucky13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:46:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this is a common misconception. They're usually removed from the general population as the prisons know they pose a danger to themselves by just existing. They're usually moved into their own pens with all the other scum who commit such atrocities.
gigajesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will she do time as well for attacking him or could you just say she was defending her daughter?
Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'll depend on the judge and jury, I think.
I remember another article a couple years back about a guy who beat his a rapist o death with his bare hands after finding him with his daughter receiving no jail time.
gigajesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean trust me I get the sentiment. I would do the same. But I feel like some judges would decide that its up to the police and the judicial system to do that and some would say it's fine because you're defending someone from bodily harm? IANAL so who knows.
Gazinka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, they don't mix sex offenders and general offenders/murderers anymore. "Too many rape/murders of inmates." - Some official somewhere who prob. Had a real nasty case to deal with after pedo-genpop went horribly right.
sevsnapey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me think of a 20yo Australian who had sex with his 12yo foster sister who was later found dead I believe at the hands of her foster father. The news article mentioned he'd been in solitary for his protection after being bashed. Nice work, prison fellas.
edit: The foster daughter was murdered by her foster father. After the foster brother Trent had sex with her he admitted it to his mother as he feared she might be pregnant and the family had a meeting where they agreed to protect their son. The father said to "protect Trent" and that "she will go missing from school one day." She was apparently murdered a few hours later and he told them "she's no longer with us." Shitty stuff.
LifeWin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
read this as the 12yo foster sister was found dead.
not a happy ending
Jackson17 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think she is dead
sevsnapey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, yeah.. she is. She was found dead in a river 6 days after being reported missing. She didn't deserve to be murdered but they could have at least saved her from decomposing in the damn river.
ProfWhite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a difficult time understanding this comment. Specifically:
The foster sister is the one that died, correct?
The foster father is the one that killed her, and the foster brother is the one that had sex with her?
Or is it that the foster father killed the foster brother? Though that doesn't make sense, as how would the foster brother end up "in solitary for his protection after being bashed" if he were dead?
It occurred to me that maybe the confusion is over "12yo foster sister" - should that be "12yo foster daughter"? But replacing that word in the sentence makes it sound equally as confusing:
But then, there's not too many ways I can re-word this in my head without it making less sense.
sevsnapey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just edited the original post but I'll paste it here to make it easier.
The foster daughter was murdered by her foster father. After the foster brother Trent had sex with her he admitted it to his mother as he feared she might be pregnant and the family had a meeting where they agreed to protect their son. The father said to "protect Trent" and that "she will go missing from school one day." She was apparently murdered a few hours later and he told them "she's no longer with us." Shitty stuff.
JesseVentura911 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck let's hope so hopefully her stabbing doesn't affect his outcome fuck that guy. it really doesn't get worse than rapists
formershitpeasant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he'll be surrounded by people who like child rape.
Mordarroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he won't they'll put him in a special pedophile prison. Cause even inmates aint got time for that shit...
scootstah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he won't. He'll rot in prison surrounded by other people that rape children.
justincasesquirrels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think so, but not likely. I can't believe I'm posting this twice in one day, but my brother served about 5 years of a seven year sentence for raping his daughter repeatedly from age 7-12.
Agent_03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think in prison, they do much worse than just surround child rapists
CreepyUncleVariks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:50:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Man stabbed in the butt several times by 12 angry men in prison."
Los_93 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. That's not how I remember the plot of that play....
gigajesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they make a play out of it? Or did the movie come from a play?
King_Gama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Play, then movie, as I recall.
gigajesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know that! Thanks for the info!
CreepyUncleVariks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's rewritten for modern times.
Assembly_R3quired ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the one thing everyone, inside and out of prison, is probably secretly okay with.
lmwalls ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's gonna get stabbed a lot more but not in his chest or the back of his head. You know.. prison and getting stabbed in the ass by a bunch of ... basically getting what he deserves, although death would have been better.
Bleedlikeink ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That and he knows what it will feel like to be penetrated repeatedly
AmericaninFranceEng ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, it said no charges have been filed yet...
RollingAtlas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And who are equally eager to poke holes in things/things in holes
Mighty_Fine_Shindig ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to the article it sounds like she felt the same way, but he grabbed her by the throat and chucked her into a wall.
fozzyboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't stop. He wrestled the knife away from her.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He overpowered her
SingleLensReflex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:26:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. Almost
300500600 upvotes on a comment advocating vigilante murder. I get that child molesters are bad people, but very few people on Earth deserve death for their actions.LetsDiscourse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child rapists do
Simplici7y ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah right, so killing a person shouldn't be punishable by death, but raping a child should?
LetsDiscourse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing depends on the motive and circumstance. Child rape is child rape, zero excuse, zero tolerance.
Simplici7y ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's take the assumption that both the murderer and the rapist did it because they're mentally ill. Why is murder in that case more forgivable?
You either believe that there are worse things than death, or that there aren't.
If there are worse things than death, then why punish the worst crimes with...death? Surely it's almost merciful compared to the alternatives, and in that case the child rapist got a "better deal".
If there aren't things worse than death, then murder is by definition the worst crime you can commit. No other crime, in that case, can be compared.
LetsDiscourse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about punishment, it's about permanently removing a child rapist.
Hawkthezammy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you also permentally remove a child rapist by locking him up in jail and possibly having him reform but no he should instantly die for his possible mental illness.
LetsDiscourse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:42:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing more permanent than death; pedophiles don't reform. The ones that can control it with therapy, etc. great, I applaud that. The ones that act on it, even once, I'm OK with "permanent removal"
Hawkthezammy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe that's the way, they are fucking sick in the head and while they do choose to act upon their thoughts, they need help this is why people who are pedophiles don't get help because people just think they choose to like children or find them attractive. They need help and we as a people should try to help them if they don't seem like they are willing to reform then sure maybe death is the only way but just because someone is born certain way doesn't mean they should just die.
LetsDiscourse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, the ones that act on it. I get being sick, a lot of people's inclination is to want to cheat on their wives, but they control that urge and don't, they don't need to get a divorce anyway.
If someone's a pedophile and they are aware they are, they seek help, and can control themselves from harming children then more power to them. The second someone acts on those impulses, there's no going back from being raped, and as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't give three shits to what happens to a rapist.
Bowl-of-Stars ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no reforming that.
Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you in spirit, but not in phrasing.
We don't get to decide what he deserves, that's what our court systems are for. And I'd rather he be alive to face appropriate consequences.
SingleLensReflex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm not with you in spirit, unfortunately. I can't in good conscience support the death penalty knowing that innocent people have been murdered by the state for crimes they did not commit.
That infinitesimally small fraction of people who I believe do deserve to die for their crimes should live the rest of their natural lives in prison if it keeps an innocent person alive.
Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I don't like the death penalty either. Though, to be fair, we probably are differing in spirit again.
For truly heinous crimes, I think death is too light. I think any surviving victims or family of victims deserve the satisfaction of knowing the culprit is miserable and slowly wasting away, far away from any possibility of hurting anyone again.
SingleLensReflex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And so we come to the final question in this debate, one to which there is no true answer: is death the ultimate punishment? I would argue yes, you no, but both sides have merit. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Backupusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. Cheers.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have been worse for her and her daughter.
Taiyaki11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, she'd prob get hit with the book full force on top of even further traumatizing the child probably. Not saying the guy didnt deserve it, but to not let it further fuck both their lives up over him
___Not_The_NSA___ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck finding a jury that would ever prosecute a mother protecting her 12 year old daughter from a child molester caught in the act.
Taiyaki11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury can be and does get overruled by the judge, especially if she 'kept stabbing' after he wasnt a threat anymore. You act like it's never happened before. If you're that hellbent on the guy getting murdered it'll probably happen in prison anyways, thats kinda what happens with child molesters behind bars. No need to make the woman become a murderer in front of her child for it
___Not_The_NSA___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it hasn't. A judge can overrule a 'guilty' conviction but it's almost if not completely impossible for a judge to overrule an acquittal for a criminal trial due to the 6th amendment.
I've never, ever heard of a judge successfulling overruling an acquittal decision for a criminal case, and couldn't find an example of a judge overruling an acquittal, and I highly doubt a judge would start just to to protect a pedophile from a defending mother.
obxtalldude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, cut off his offending parts, and remember the day for the rest of his life every time he tries to pee.
thatvoicewasreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah now he's going to get stabbed more. The good part is he'll be in PC, where he can sit and think about where and how he's going to get stabbed. And then he'll get stabbed, but the people waiting to stab him intend on savoring that shit so he'll live to wonder where and when it will happen the next time. He's going to think about getting stabbed every day for the rest of his life.
True_Kapernicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why exactly? Do you think sexual molestation is worse than murder and death?
LetsDiscourse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In most cases, yes. In a murder the victim doesn't have to live a lifetime traumatized and with deep psychological issues stemmed from their assault.
True_Kapernicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:06 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because the victim is dead and everyone who knew that person has lost them completely. Also, someone killed someone. There is a huge difference between someone who is prepared to kill and someone who is prepared to hurt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ztpurcell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy how you fuck up "vertebrae" like that?
LostprophetFLCL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. If you can still recognize the body has a human corpse you have not done enough stabbing in this case.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it doesn't make you special or cool to say this right? Just like the other 87 people that said the exact same identical thing?
Supermunch2000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:12:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The new three act structure.
Introduction, development and stabbing.
MFATLiens ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:03:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who actually reads like this?
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me, clearly
MFATLiens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But do you really or were you just trying to be funny
Gsusruls ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't going to popular, due to reddit's propensity to hate on pedophiles, but none of this story is confirmed. Upon reading the article, it's a total "he said, she said" drama. Yes, the details are convincing, and I want to burn the guy before his trial, too. But this is one of the problems with how people read media and articles; we judge the fuck out of people without a shred of evidence.
Nadaac ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really read slowly
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to take everything in. It takes me a month to read a 20 page picture book.
AiRiiD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:24:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck pauses every few words to ponder before finishing the title?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you people have a lot of mid-sentence thoughts...I feel like I read to the end before I process any of it, and then I'm like "oooh fuck"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is full of analyzers. Sometimes they read the whole thing before commenting, sometimes they stop mid-read to comment. You could say something completely reasonable but because the first few words pissed them off, they're ready to rip you to shreds.
spooky_spageeter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm chuckling that you're analyzing the analyzers.
Don't the true thinkers out there look past the LCM-adhering top-comments? In other words, shouldn't we take top comments with a grain of salt considering the average redditor would upvote silly comments?
ContemplatingCyclist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? The goal is to kill this guy because of what he did. To stop him from doing it again. To protect your daughter.
I'll never understand the people who get a hard-on from pretending that they'd go psycho and rip them to pieces, flay them, slowly pull off their fingernails, etc.
It's not impressive. It's just saying you get off on having an excuse to be a monster yourself.
acrowsong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we talk about how it sounds like he was planking the poor kid instead of sexually assaulting her?
Latter_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repeatedly stabbing someone is never a "totally reasonable response". This woman will get tried for murder and her daughter will have nowhere to go.
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For murder? She might get charged with attempted manslaughter.
Latter_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason i assumed she killed him. Attempted manslaughter is still a long sentence.
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not actually reasonable, but I know Reddit has a massive hard-on for extrajudicial violence and murder.
Nico_tine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is a reasonable response or solution to walking into the act of your daughter getting forcibly sexually assaulted/raped?
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't know, pulling them off and calling the police? What, your response would be wildly stabbing them? Because that's not normal.
Nico_tine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just pulling them off, and ask them to sit there politely, while you explain in a calm manner that you're going to go call the police?
Yeah, ok, buddy, what kind of fantasy world do you live in?
There's a reason rape is a capital offense in many situations.
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you go straight to head stabbing? And where the fuck is rape punishable by death?
Nico_tine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I was a little off, in that all these statutes revolve around child rape specifically, but nonetheless!
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-offenses-other-murder
And again, I ask you, what the fuck do you think is an appropriate response in the moment to walking into this situation? You wanna try out your sweet just-learned-from-tv fucking full-nelson judo moves? What fantasy land are you in? What's your solution?
Total incapacitation is required.
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not even read your own article?
Nico_tine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, I stand corrected. But still, so what's your plan re: the original point? What is proportionate response?
SaxPanther ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how is it reasonable? its attempted murder. what if we changed some roles around? is "man repeatedly rapes girlfriend after she stabs his 12 year old daughter acceptable? is rape a more egregious crime than stabbing? is it a worse crime if the perpetrator of rape is male? is stabbing a less egregious crime if its done because you were justifiably pissed off at someone?
what about the daughters feelings? what if her mom actually killed the guy? dont you think that would add a lot to her already considerable emotional burden? she might feel guilty for life about this guys death even though it wasn't her fault at all?
can't we just agree that stabbing and raping are both horrible crimes no matter who the perpetrator and the victim and two wrongs don't make a right?
i mean, still, fuck that guy. hes totally an asshole and i probably would have stabbed him myself. but just saying. i think some people in this thread kinda let their justice-boners get a little out of control.
spooky_spageeter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for articulating my thoughts. I tried, in response to the same comment, and the dude claimed it was just a "parody," as if the content didn't matter in the slightest.
buddha_for_mary ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like thoughts pop in your head extremely fast. There's no way I could have those thoughts in the middle of reading just one sentence lol.
dengitsjon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:14:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine was just two thoughts.
"Woman stabs boyfriend"
Woman must have went crazy over some little thing he did.
"on top of 12 year old daughter"
Well fuck, did she at least cut his dick off? Fuck that guy. Surprised she stopped.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You immediately went to "the house" when you read "naked on top of" ๐ค
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a Santa fantasy, okay.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can dig it
xHussin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i thought it was the man's daughter from just reading the title
AWildEnglishman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably hopped up on goofballs or something
Oh so he was cheating. Still, disproportionate respon..
Jeeeesus.
EZ_does_it ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I for one normally take 10 minute breaks between reading 1/3 of sentences. So this was a real tour de force.
handsome_chemist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman stabs boyfriend after finding him"
Wow, I've never played hardcore hide-n-seek...
EAbisoft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you read slowly
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to take everything in. It takes me a month to a read a picture book.
rampage95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who tf reads a sentence 4 words at a time? Just read the whole sentence first.
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's too simple. I'm not a simple man.
rampage95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough!
Clarice_Ferguson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, it was not on top of spaghetti nor cover in cheese but he should be glad he didn't lose his meatball(s).
patchfer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally reasonable response? I don't think so.
KingOfSockPuppets ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no I think we should stab him.
TheYoungGriffin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was:
"Woman stabs boyfriend"
Another crazy psycho chick.
"after finding him naked"
Oh, I can see where this is going. Still that's a huge over reaction."
"on top of"
Oh shit, it's gotta be her sister or mother or something to get that kind of reaction.
"her 12 year old daughter"
Why's she stop stabbing him?
Boom9001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting to "On top of" it became clear it was sexual, but was still at mindset of murder for cheating is a bit over response. Once you see 12 though you're like oh wait nvm you go girl.
BulletBilll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"WTF was she thinking to stab him! Didn't she have a rifle or something!"
ThePotatoSenpai_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they were just playing the tickle-tickle-game?
Well never know
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing was too nice. Should have used a skillsaw from the bottom up.
Xunzyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fair enough reaction" was my thought after reading it. Tho I hope she pulled him off BEFORE the stabbing started.
TedNugentGoesAOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thought process. It's times like that where I'm amazed at how fast our brain is able to process full thoughts while simultaneously slowly reading.
Fuck that guy, he deserves every wound and more.
AmericaninFranceEng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope she got him in the dick...
DragonRaptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the daughter wasn't in the room is all. while the stabbing occured
ecctt2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could see a line waiting to beat him similar to the line in Airplane beating the hysterical woman on the plane.
Hove201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Fuck that guy
ArchMLD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman stabs boyfriend after finding him naked"
Aww Fuck
I can't believe you've done this
"On top of her 12 year old daughter"
Aww Fuck
I can't believe you've done this
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle definitely would have stabbed my cousin and I when we were younger if he had found us on his roof again.
KidsInTheSandbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could have*
Kalooeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"could go anywhere" Man how do you think on top of her house? I was thinking involving a friend/another woman because that's the usual
improbablewobble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Jesus, that's insane oh wait what was he oh yeah definitely stab this cunt.
ohdearsweetlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I would gladly go to prison for stabbing someone who was molesting my daughter, thanks.
Wrathwilde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can change it back...
Woman stabs boyfriend after finding him naked...
on top of 12 year old daughter...
who had hidden in the bathroom and tripped him as he exited the shower.
Corax7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think stabbing someone multiple times is a bit too much, call the cops or something and put him in jail. But ending a life, atleast in my oppinion is going to far.
GoodRubik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only way it could be more is the next line being:
"The hurricane had ripped his clothes off as he shielded the child from the storm. "
banzaizach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read it as 12 year old... Then daughter
It just got worse and worse
prototipi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep, I was thinking - fair enough...
Memphisrexjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will forever be the best comment on this thread.
disa659 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my response lol. like would you blame her?
chenxi0636 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my mind.
spooky_spageeter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:23:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're kidding right?
Don't get me wrong, this guy is fucked up for doing what he was doing ---but do you really think that stabbing him repeatedly is an appropriate response? That's nonsense.
The only thing that would make that somewhat reasonable is if the woman feared for her own safety AFTER the man was away from the daughter. According to the article, stabbing was her reaction to what she saw. Not okay.
That girl is likely traumatized from the entire thing. Such a shitty situation ahhhh
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about my comment seemed serious? It was a parody of the comment I was responding to
spooky_spageeter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a second. Wait wait wait.
First of all, that's your opinion of your own comment. Frankly your opinion does not matter when the comment just so happens to be read by thousands of people. Why don't you be more mindful of the way your words may be coming off to others?
Secondly and more importantly for the casual listener -- words are important. (I can't believe I need to explain this to someone on a forum.) I guess I figured people who cash in on all these internet karmas are smart, rational and thoughtful human beings but... what the fuck do I know???!!!
Edit. PS. I read all the comments that responded to you. Seems like a few others agree with my sentiment. You gonna tell them it was a parody too?
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really care. It's a comment on Reddit
spooky_spageeter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:02:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of whether you care or not, your popular comment has an affect on the masses. Be aware and act accordingly.
IamNotYourBuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesnt. People already have their minds made up by the time they get to my comment, just look at the replies.
spooky_spageeter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:06:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you had read my past comments you'd know I already did read them.
Whatever helps you go to sleep buddy. Just trying to make a point.
BReximous ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 14:33:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving out the "reports say", you're dead on with "naked" being the first word of the second half. This pleases the court. Carry on, and do great things.
xsavarax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:10:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put naked with the first half for sure. For me, the tilting point is "on top of". Before that:
Well, that's an extreme response there. At the tilting point:
Well, he probably was cheating on her then? Looks like he was a dickbag, but hey, that doesn't mean you can stab people. After "on top of":
Should have stabbed him more when she had the chance
Connaar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:34:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I went from wtf to WTF
nates10 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this post and was like dang it's a crazy person and then saw the second half and was like ok then that's a fairly good reason
olbleedyeyes ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:08:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really does make a great short story.
Sengura ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I went from "hope she gets stabbed in prison so she knows how it feels like" to "not enough stabbing" by the end of the sentence.
Philandrrr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't been asked to be in the jury, but I'd acquit.
curious_dead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Epic title is epic. I had the same reaction. From "poor guy" to "fuck this guy" in a sentence.
Dr_Frasier_Bane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's horribl..yay Mom!
CtrlAltTrump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does someone punish this crime?
spooky_spageeter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not by stabbing the person multiple times, that's for god damn sure. It is mind boggling to me how many people in this thread are in support of the woman's response. Let the prison system handle it! Why support violence in any way/shape/form?
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exact same thing happened to me.
DrMobius0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Followed by thinking "this isn't what it looks like"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a rollercoaster ride of emotions I just went through
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I went from being disturbed to thinking it seemed reasonable.
Au_Struck_Geologist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping the top comment would perfectly encapsulate my experience as well.
mariofasolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be my favorite top comment, ever.
OptimusPrimeTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was definitely a rollercoaster of a sentence for me.
RodLebster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right?!
Oh fuck this bitch.
Oh ok maybe she's not from Cleveland.
nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said it perfectly.
CountVonVague ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:29:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow what could i possibly say to this headline like really"
yeah that, that's it. literally.
Average_human_bean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real! I was like "Damn, that crazy bitc...what?! Stab him some more! Get the face!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was like "What a craz.... No wait, that's a reasonable response."
HerrStraub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right?
It went from "What a crazy bitch" to "Stab him once for me!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you'd have to be insane to stab someone not fighting you, but walking in on that is enough to drive anyone into temporary insanity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rugtoad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:30:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a phrase that applies here: "Not a jury in the world". You're not gonna find 12 people willing to send her to jail over this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes the sentence doesn't have to be that long, like "console gamer expresses delight after switch to PC."
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it went from holy sh-. Okay that's justifiable
jerdub1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roller coaster of emotions
jturner1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you have an opinion of the second person, from the first half of the sentence?
R0ND09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend"
Initially felt bad for guy, thought woman was psycho.
King_Rhymer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to re-read. It hurt my brain a bit.
Gunzby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Step aside Indians, there's a new darling of Cleveland
eng050599 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same opinion here. I went from wanting to chastise her response as extreme to, "that's a measured and rational response" in less than a second.
Lokitusaborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I saw the cop car in the thumbnail and my mind had already prepared me to think she had stabbed a police officer...then I finished the sentence.
Good on her.
Deckmanman77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still trying to find the problem here, every stabs a win
yayapfool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what's wrong with the world; thinking there's only 'a victim' and 'a perpetrator'- both people fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/smfOseT2UUc
IMSmurf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I was like "Crazy bi- nope nope okay I feel her.
DamntheTrains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The daughter's account of what happened just made me think:
'So he's still alive, huh?'
fearguyQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what a bitch...Wow what a dick.
jarret_g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him once for every win the Cleveland Indians had during their streak. Also the amount of games the Cleveland Browns have won since October 24th, 2011
Imissmyusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Woman stabs boyfriend..."
Holy shit
"...after finding him naked on daighter"
Oh, ok.
sirgenz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this. My emotions have never turned so fast from empathy towards disgust. For the man, of course.
Invincible_Bears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant
I_AM_HYLIAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. That was one hell of a roller-coaster.
Celtic_Legend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its confusing actually. I though the mom stabbed her daughters boyfriend. A possessive noun before boyfriend woulda helped.
MaliciouslyMint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf-ohhhh yeah I'd stab him too
carlitosindamix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was an emotional rollercoaster. It got better once I found out the boyfriend was charged with rape for this.
fractalfay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me on this jury: "Haven't we wasted enough of this woman's precious time?"
654456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Went from "what set this crazy bitch off" to "yeah, that is reasonable" real quick.
9-1-Holyshit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. My brain did a complete 180 in my skull comprehending this one.
palparepa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Even if it were a 12-year-old boy, boyfriend of his daughter? It took me to the first paragraph to get a bad feeling: "stabbed her boyfriend", and was for sure on the third paragraph: "The 31-year-old man was stabbed...". Yeah, fuck that guy.
Joyrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I don't condone her decision, I completely understand it, and would support her getting few or any charges for this. Especially since it was a pocket knife - it was just a gut reaction, and completely understandable.
spooky_spageeter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:03:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rational people do not react by stabbing someone multiple times. The man was no longer on the little girl, yet the woman decided it was okay to stab.
That is not understandable to me and I doubt the legal system will understand either. The woman deserves punishment.
Joyrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you come across a situation like that, you cease being a rational person. The law accounts for that. Voluntary Manslaughter is made for cases like this(though I don't know the alternative since he lived).
HandsomeSlav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The woman did nothing wrong
jpmcglone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This headline forgot 'allegedly' -- so far nobody has been charged, and stories aren't matching up.
I'm putting down my pitchfork until more details come out.
Edit: I'm keeping the pitchfork nearby though.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:12:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Picnic_Basket ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering I changed my mind after about one and a half seconds the first time around, I think I'll adjust my views again if there's reason to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are all so against miscarriages of justice yet so hungry to persecute without facts.
Iโll wait for the facts to reveal themselves before condemning someone to death.
taws34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still Cleveland tho...
tonk53 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since it said CLEVELAND first lol
[deleted] ยท -41 points ยท Posted at 14:46:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ThisIsNotKimJongUn ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:54:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find my opinion of murderers forms pretty quickly.
Tayrtahn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:58:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything wrong with forming a first impression while reading the headline. I'm not sure how one couldn't.
The important part is being able to dismiss that first impression on reflection or when given more information.
Picnic_Basket ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:50:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like you're doing right now.
IITomTheBombII ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooooooo God Damn
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:52:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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terranq ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:57:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend"
Oh, wow, that's horrible, the thought that someone I love could do that to me is terrifying!
"after finding him naked on top of 12 year old daughter"
Oh, well, that kind of changes things. He was sexually assaulting her kid. I can totally understand how that would happen now.
Seems like /u/Picnic_Basket made a pretty valid comment, and you're just being a prick about it.
Motobicycling ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judging by two comments I can tell you're a confrontational prick. Neck up cunt
1millionppm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what do you mean action without context? There's context. Saying "she stabbed him" would be action with no context. "she stabbed because she found him on top of her 12 year old naked" is with context. I mean, yeah maybe there's some details like what weapon she used and where it came from but it's kind of hard NOT to realize he was clearly molesting her child.
Novelcheek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess im obliged.
DarkWolfen21 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess crime runs in the family...
ferapy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to homicide or attempted murder repeated stabbings represent jealousy (as in OJ Simpson murders). Sex with a minor is inexcusable but it's likely the affair was going on for awhile before the jealousy dam broke. Two wrongs don't make a right. However, no doubt the man will be locked up a very long time for his crime and the woman gets probation/minimal jail time at best for her crime.
itzpiiz ยท 1668 points ยท Posted at 15:03:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts go out to the 12 year old daughter. Not only for the assault, but presumably witnessing the stabbing and aftermath.
[deleted] ยท 1062 points ยท Posted at 15:25:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing a lot of people would much prefer to see their rapist stabbed than what usually seems to happen in this situation, which is that the parent wants it all swept under the rug.
Good for this mom for realizing right away that it wasn't about her or her relationship, and just getting on with the defense of her child.
Gstringharpist ยท 624 points ยท Posted at 16:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if my parents had stabbed the uncle that sexually assaulted me as a three year old, rather than sweeping it under the rug, I would've been proud of them. Instead, I barely talk to my parents now.
[deleted] ยท 236 points ยท Posted at 16:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so sorry that happened to you. Hugs.
Gstringharpist ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:30:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank you. <3
TK382 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:32:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well now that you're older have you thought about getting together with your uncle? And killing him?
Gstringharpist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be honest, when I was 16, we drove to my grandmother's house, where I hadn't been since after the molestation. About halfway through the car ride it was announced my uncle might be there because he had been staying there. All I had was a lead pencil, but I held it in my hand, ready to stab him, if he was there when we arrived. And yes, if he had been, I would have. Luckily for him (and for me) he wasn't.
I've been through a lot of therapy since then, but that was the moment I knew what real hate felt like.
religiousaftermath ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:26:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, I think people whose parents take action like this recover much better. I have a friend who was repeatedly raped at 16 by an older man and her brothers killed him and sure it was traumatic for her but she got sent a strong message that what was done to her was not OK and she did not see the man who was repeatedly raping her get away with it. (In addition this man that raped her had been raping multiple other women too). And no one put the onus on her to stop being raped either, "Oh you have to stop seeing him, you have to stop tempting him, you have to fight back, you have to set boundaries." Someone just put an end to the raping and protected her.
Gstringharpist ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:36:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I mean, I feel SOME comfort knowing the man that assaulted me is now on the sex offender list, so some poor parent somewhere reported him. But it still hurts to know we could have prevented that child's molestation - or rape or who knows what else - if my parents had just reported it in the first place like they should have. Also, I had made myself believe for years that maybe I hadn't told them or something, but then my mom came back with: "Oh, we didn't know he assaulted you. We just thought he exposed himself to you." As if somehow that's okay. I know that growing up in the 80s/90s was a different time, but I really hope that parents nowadays actually do something. People don't realize how much that stuff messes you up for years.
I would prefer hearing about more stabbings than parents who did nothing and stood by and let their kids deal. Not that I totally advocate the stabbing either, really I would prefer these guys/women go to court and be labeled as evil bastards for the rest of their lives. That's punishment enough sometimes. However... yeah. Sorry your friend went through all that.
TL;DR: Sorry your friend went through that and I wish my parents had done something rather than let other kids get molested by the same guy. But at least he's labeled a sex offender, now.
TK382 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you hear the story of the Texas man that found a neighbor raping his daughter and beat his ass almost to death with a baseball bat and got off?
religiousaftermath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Honestly I think my friend functions exceptionally well for what she went through and by her family's actions her value on her own life and well being was somewhat spared.
chinika4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You deserved better and I'm sorry that you had that experience.
Gstringharpist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank you.
zeonchar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:19:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, fuck them.
pyro18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father did it to me and when I told my mother she also swept it under the rug. Now I'm in my 20s and so fucked up. And I still have to see him everyday. I understand your pain
Gstringharpist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why on earth are you still seeing him everyday? Get out of there, friend! There are shelters that will help you! Don't force yourself to stay there!!!
pyro18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:48 on September 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a younger sibling who lives with them, so I do too, lots of guilt tripping from my parents and a lots of feeling responsible, it's really doing a number on how I view myself and other people though.
MarieMarion ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:22:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a pretty nice person, I swear, but your comment made me imagine the ob-gyn who raped me (after inserting my IUD) being stabbed to death on the examination table.
I can't believe how sweet this image is. I had no idea I was still so upset.
SuddenlyASubmarine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:40:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a survivor as well and the only way get myself to stop focusing on the flashbacks (it happened when I was around 10) is to imagine myself stabbing the guy with a spear, the image of me stabbing him usually gets the flashbacks to stop for a while.
Gstringharpist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have this problem too. I used to fantasize about kidnapping the man who molested me and torturing him to death. I would often set it in the place the molestation happened. That was the only way to get the image of what he did to me out of my brain.
MarieMarion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry. Are you doing better these days?
Powerballwinner21mil ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:16:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trauma is trauma. Soldiers get PTSD from shooting and killing enemies who are attacking.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:43:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine the trauma if their government came and bombed them while they were being attacked by the enemy, or if their government told them to defend their enemy.
Would be worse.
Yes it's traumatic but no stabbing, no defense is worse.
PangPingpong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This was not right, and I can trust Mom to protect me if this sort of thing happens."
the_shiny_guru ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:45:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it made the moment more terrifying, but I think the psychological impact will be lessened. My mother didn't protect me from my abusive boyfriend nor father and it fucked me up. I feel completely worthless some days -- like I'm not worth the protection afforded to other human beings. I'm not worth someone getting angry on my behalf because me being assaulted isn't a big deal.
That's what it can do to someone, at any rate. Obviously stabbing is extreme and potentially traumatic to witness in its own way, but there is no way she is ever going to feel worthless or like no one cared. She's more likely to stand up for herself in the future when witnessing someone standing up for her as a child/teenager.
chinika4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf! It pisses me off to hear parents not helping their kids. I would fucking give my life for my kids. You are worthy. You are valuable. You are important. You are lovable. You are a survivor.
Gstringharpist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, we all still need to hear this sometimes.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people who are molested spend their lives fantasizing about stabbing the perpetrator.
Gstringharpist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with this.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they fantasize about being raped.
Gstringharpist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ actually statistically accurate. Survivors of childhood abuse often find themselves attracted to BDSM, Con Non Con, or fetishes of some kind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's quite sad actually.
Gstringharpist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmm, I disagree with you there. It's just an individual's preference, nothing more. It's when these individuals start thinking 50 Shades is an accurate depiction, and end up in unhealthy BDSM relationships, that it becomes truly sad.
But for the rest, there are many healthy ways for them to express their new fetishes in healthy, trusting relationships.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad to know that most people in that community are there because they were abused as children.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're probably a bad person.
disILiked ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not 12 or a daughter, but I think seeing my mom stab she shit out of him would make me feel a lot better.
itzpiiz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:05:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither am I so this is all speculative but I'd imagine the trauma and emotional scarring from the assault alone would be exponentially intensified after witnessing repeated stabbings with the visuals of all the blood and additional factors.
It's easy to say it'd help her knowing 'justice had been served' however I'm not convinced.
the_shiny_guru ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:49:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was in a traumatic situation and received an appropriate response from the mother, I think.
It's sort of like -- if someone is threatening to shoot you, yes, it might be traumatic to watch someone else shoot them. But it's a violent response to someone that is attacking you with violence. The primary trauma comes from the person causing you harm, not the actions taken to remove the threat from hurting you. We wouldn't beg someone not to shoot someone else with a gun just because others witnessing that shooting might be traumatized.
disILiked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:26 on September 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I got bullied a bit in school (I realize this is not on the same level but its what I have) and the worst punishment an adult ever game them was a vacation from school for a few days. I didnt feel vindicated or that justice was served and they'd just come back and do it again. I didn't feel like justice was served till I layed one out on the ground one day, he never bothered me again.
I was taught an eye for an eye is a bad way of doing things. I used to believe that too, but the older I get the fairer it seems.
ggrektums ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe more scarring in the moment but maybe she will feel like it's justice when she gets older
slider2k ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure you'd be traumatized seeing stabbing as a kid. So, that kid was traumatized twice that day, first by the sexual assault, and second by her bloodthirsty mother. None of the two adults involved really thought about the child, unfortunately.
simjanes2k ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does "thoughts go out" mean? That you saw the headline and thought about it like the rest of us? Do you have mental raybeams that your thoughts do thing when they go out?
What does that mean?
idkfams ยท 15845 points ยท Posted at 15:19:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work in law enforcement here. I don't think people understand how this shit fucks you up hearing this shit first hand. Two days ago mom comes into the command crying hysterical. Comes into my office and begins to tell me that she went to put her daughter to sleep and when she gave her a good night kiss the kid puts her tongue in the mothers mouth. Taken back, the mother ask her daughter what are you doing ? She responds, that's how daddy does it. Asked her what else daddy does and she said " he puts his thing in my mouth " the kid is two years old. I lost my shit, my heart broke and was mentally fucked up for the rest of the day. Myself and other detectives were talking amongst each other and hope this guy gets thrown off a roof.
Edit: Domestic violence officer for you asking what my job is. Also, for those of you asking what happens since itโs one of those he said she said cases itโs like this; an investigation is opened and everyone is interviewed then from there is the decision to move forward or not. Yes kid is two and can yโall like that. I have a niece who can describe a lot of things that you wouldnโt think a two year old could describe. For example my sister was giving her a bath and I put a towel on her and she said โ you touched my boo boob boob and kept point at it. They know more than you think.
Edit: Yes, itโs his biological daughter.
Edit: NYPD provides therapist for anytime you feel like something is wrong or off. Not many people like talking about it because if your CO deems you a mental hazard they take your gun and shield until your psychiatrist seems you ready for full duty.
Zexiyon ยท 6220 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just hearing this shit from you fucks me up, I can't even imagine how you felt hearing it first hand.
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 3089 points ยท Posted at 16:09:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't handle listening to that shit.
If you think about it, for every child pornography case someone needs to sit down and watch that shit to document it.
Some of those in law enforcement and other branches have to give pieces of themselves to put garbage like this guy behind bars. True heros.
firestormchess ยท 2339 points ยท Posted at 17:00:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had a local pediatrician who was a serial child molester (more than a hundred children); had videos he had made in his office and everything. All five investigators who had to go through the videos quit their jobs once the work was done.
IM_NOT_CIA ยท 852 points ยท Posted at 17:22:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this shit, it's horrible to even read a description of stuff like this, let alone having to sit and watch it.
[deleted] ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 20:21:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LA_SoxFan ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:02:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't you theoretically justify this? You could just lie and say he was also choking her, wouldn't let good. I think the shooting would be justified. And also feel really, really good.
Elubious ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:28:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that risk hitting the child?
hedgeson119 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 21:48:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I could be more graphic than this thread has gotten, but I think splattering the rapist's brains on the victim is probably too much of a topping to the trauma sundae... Like seriously, I think it might just make it worse.
Or fuck, who knows maybe not.
DoJax ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:05:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's worse is when child porn is found and people have to study every aspect of the videos for things that can identify locations (looking for flags of teams they root for, license plates, on vehicles, landmarks etc.), perpetrators(trying to find identifiers like scars, birth marks, tattoos, missing limbs and/or digits), victims(try to see if they match with missing persons descriptions, try to find identifiers for them as well), or maybe correlations with other videos. I'm certain there are many people who feel like the dirtiest person in the world having to do work like that.
I talked to a man who had to do it years ago and he told me after sorting through so much of it that you start to become paranoid for your children, scared mostly because of the sheer amount of content that is on the internet that no one knows about. I don't want to know how much is out there. I can't imagine, I am worried about the mental health of people who do it though, he quit because of his job, I wonder how many people have taken their lives.
MindAndMachine ยท 553 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When five seasoned detectives ALL quit after one heinous molestation case, and believe you me they probably had worked others before...man, you know that was one FUCKED UP "pediatrician". Can't even really call him a doctor knowing what he did.
HumbertTetere ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 18:12:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doctors are called doctors for exactly one reason: having written a doctor's thesis.
They are about as good/bad as the rest of the population.
But I agree it's a nauseating case, becoming a pediatrician and to abuse the trust people, and the children, had in him to help...
I hope he'll stay in prison for the rest of his life.
salothsarus ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:17:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he used that phrase in order to describe the workings of the degree system.
HumbertTetere ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:27:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some people that seem to trust others more when they know they are doctors. It's possibly even helpful to just point out the bias.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:52:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HumbertTetere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:04:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see.
They usually do in Germany. It's just expected. Though it's much shorter than in other fields.
DMann420 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, people can become a Dr. by getting a doctorate, however, it is not the same case to go into pediatrics, or any branch of medicine. The doctor you go see at a health clinic is an MD and not just someone who did a doctorate in some random field.
It takes upwards of 8 years of schooling and 3-4 years of residency to go into pediatrics.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:47:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pediatrics is specialization, so it's even longer.
Biocidal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's a regular residency, 3 years post medical school. Same as internal and family medicine.
bonejam82 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:10:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pos should be executed. As slowly and painfully as possible
FullShane ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I think of reasons for why capital punishment should exist I think of cases like this.
Fantasy_masterMC ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:32:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even I, as an opponent of capital punishment in almost all cases, have serious thoughts about it in cases like this. But I feel like a way should be found to make them aware of what they've done first, assuming its mentally possible for them to comprehend. Even then, I'm not sure because of such a thing as false positives, but for a proven serial child rapist with video evidence, I would support a conditional life sentence at the least.
themangodess ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people against capital punishment make exceptions to it, and it's just easy to do. Especially hearing stories like this. But it's good that you have a strong belief against capital punishment and think there's an alternative.
TheLazyD0G ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why torture him? Then we aren't much better. Just kill him and move on.
Fantasy_masterMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I forgot the person I replied to talked about torturing. welp... Let's just say that's not part of what I would do.
bonejam82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree
thebasisofabassist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's not even a crime they'd use it for.
TwizzlerKing ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:06:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who stands up for pedos right.. But, should we really torture people to death for mental illness?
Kenny_log_n_s ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:21:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophilia is not a choice.
Child molestation is.
mginatl ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:10:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, I'm all for helping non-offending pedophiles recover but when you're talking about someone who sexually assaulted literally hundreds of children, it goes a bit further than just torturing them to death for a mental illness. (I don't agree that we should torture them or anyone to death though, but it's disingenuous to say that mental illness is the reason people want to.)
bonejam82 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:31:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They choose their actions.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:25:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the criminal justice system, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.
MindAndMachine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:28:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hearty chuckle was had
Steph83 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:57:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son's pediatric oncologist was attested for child pornography a couple years ago. Shook me up big time. He literally saved my son's life but clearly he's a very messed up man.
fashionandfunction ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:06:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No throwaway but I might delete this later. Um, do you see pediatricians alone as a kid? For a physical? Because when I was little, under 8, I got a physical from a doctor when my mom wasn't in the room. And he swiped my genitals. Like between my labia. It's always been weird to me, looking back. What goes on during routine physical? Is that just part of the check up? I remember lying on the table with my shirt up.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:33:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was always present up until I was 16 (well this was my GP). I never had to get undressed for a physical. The extent was lifting my shirt to above my belly button to feel my liver and stuff.
By swipe, do you mean with a swab or his hand? Both are unusual for a pediatrician and I don't believe should be normal practice. Where were your guardians?
Onowhatopoeia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they're not supposed to lift your pants and underwear up to look at your genitals? That's not a thing? I had a GP do that every time and my mom was not in the room once when he spread my labia. I bring my kids for a yearly physical with a different GP and she doesn't even look at their genitals at all. I like to think it's because it's 20 years later and guidelines have changed since the early 90s.
Edit: Uh, sorry about the multiple postings. Apparently Reddit doesn't like commenting when using a phone browser.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:34:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhhhhmmm... Not that I'm aware of. Personally, I've never had a doctor do that as a kid.
Only time a doctor has seen my genitalia is when I see my gyno (as an adult).
fashionandfunction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:38:21 on September 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with his hand. like cupping it? i honestly don't remember details, it's been 20 years
fashionandfunction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:39:39 on September 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the hall? I don't know where she was. I guess now I've got some things to think about..
MindAndMachine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:30:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a girl but a female doctor definitely felt around my area, and as I'm uncircumcised she had to pull back the foreskin. It doesnt sound like your doctor did anything wrong, especially since it sounds like a single "swipe" checking for irregular growths/any sensitivity on your end. Again Im no doctor and if you think you were treated wrong I'd look into it further, the last thing we need is creep doctors like the one mentioned above.
pleasuresla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:44:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, no. That's not supposed to happen and especially not from a general. I don't think I ever got my vagina looked at until my first OBGYN appt.
Insomniacrobat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:41:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the community doesn't organize to form a lynch mob and get some sweet vigilante justice after something like that is beyond me.
CUM_AND_POOP_BURGER ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:46:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a rightfully natural response, but people should remember that we have legal processes to follow for very good reasons. Here's an example scenario:
What if this mother was lying to get the kid's father into trouble?
I can only imagine how difficult it must be to remain objective in these situations, but it's vital that they do.
dustybizzle ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:07:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Objectivity and reason are important for sure in cases like these, /u/CUM_AND_POOP_BURGER
MindAndMachine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed at this haha. I mean I wouldnt cause I dont wanna go to jail myself but honestly, if it was back in the day before CCTV and shit, I might be down.
nedonedonedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget that everyone thought michel jackson was a molester until it came out that everyone lied about it
majorchamp ยท 340 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be really hard to work in that field and not take matters into your own hands.
Edit for the comments in response to this. I am saying working in a field where you are privy to abuse cases like that, whether it's dealing with a pedophile in person, or talking to a young child explain what happened, to having to take evidence or dna from a young child to match a crime, to reviewing footage or audio...
DarkMarksPlayPark ยท 235 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it probably fills you with so much depression that you're fighting not to take your own life.
macabre_irony ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:46:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaaand now I'm depressed.
EpicTacoHS ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:29:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how depression works but I get your point. Fucking insane to expect normal people to go through cases like that. They're probably not making any fucking money on top of being subject to horrid conditions and also can't leave because they have to help the kids.
But I doubt any amount of money can just make the terrrible thing so in your head forever go away
Mex-Box ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:41:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it was sarcasm about becoming depressed at the thought of Emergency Services, CPS and anyone else involved fighting the severe, crippling depression resulting from the nature of the crimes their victims are exposed to.
Mex-Box ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:47:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried to edit the above to apologize for being a dick and not reading your ENTIRE comment.
I agree, most in those fields are paid shit for the mental damage damage they are more prone to. These jobs do tend to provide amazing counseling and debriefings. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon in the slightest to witness alcohol and drug abuse become a norm in these fields.
Sonicmansuperb ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:04:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any way I can offer my jaded and non-responsive personality to alleviate those who would be deeply affected in return for employment? I know its not the same caliber, but I can routinely view some of the most horrid things visible on the internet and not have it impact me long term, so I figure if I can get a job where I save others that pain, I could probably do good in the world.
FishermanFizz ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:06:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a cop and ended up working as a detective catching child predators for a couple years. He thought he'd seen enough fucked up shit from his job that he'd be fine. After a couple years it was too much for him and he had to stop.
I can almost assuredly guarantee you that no matter how jaded you think you are, you will still get fucked up if you try to take on a job like this.
Sonicmansuperb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figure that would be a risk, and I'm not trying to play internet tough guy here. I am just of the belief that I'm more tolerant to the viewing of horrid materials and that I could use that to help others and maybe come out not as scarred as the person who would've done it anyway.
FishermanFizz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a very important job if you are willing to actually do it. Just be careful and don't expect to get through it with your mental health fully intact. From what he's told me, a lot of people think they're able to handle it but nobody really ever is.
DarkMarksPlayPark ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mate, if you are that cold I'm sure there are plenty of professions that will have you. It's a truly unique gift you have there, run with that USP.
sirius4778 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're like the guy from unbreakable
squeel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd make a great cop. Apply for your local PD.
derickjthompson ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:15:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm.. Are you seriously asking if you can go watch child porn?
*Edit Seems my comment was misunderstood. What I meant was more along the lines of I couldn't wrap my head around someone volunteering to do this. As has been brought up it is very difficult, and mind/heart/soul destroying for law enforcement officials that have to view this, and to see someone say (what I took as) I can do it because I am tough kinda boggled my mind. Was not meaning that he/she was wanting to go watch it for kicks or something...
ragnarok635 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:37:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he's not asking that, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Sonicmansuperb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize there's more than just that that can traumatize a viewer right? Humorous comments aside, there is probably way more material that is psychologically harmful to a detective or officer that needs to be reviewed than just that one specific example. Plus there's the face that all of this material would be viewed in an office building filled with other LEOs along with security policies that would prevent the dissemination of materials recorded for evidence purposes.
edit: corrected "view" to "Viewer" in first sentence.
blvcklite ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:48:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly it kind of puts things into perspective. No wonder some cops lose their shit and brutalize civilians or go postal or turn corrupt. The mental toll that job puts on you on top of sleep deprivation and potentially depression/PTSD would make anyone crazy
CliffordsBigRedDong ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 17:32:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's awfully dramatic.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:39:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feeling depressed after dealing with child molestation isn't dramatic, it's human.
DarkMarksPlayPark ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:37:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but honestly, I can barely do my own job without over dramatising it so having any contact with the sickest in society would have a seriously detrimental impact on my mentality.
I am sure Detectives that see this stuff on a daily bases need lots of room and help to mitigate the impact this subject matter has on their mental health.
salothsarus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any emotions or did you burn them all up in the pursuit of being the most aloof and snide online guy?
RsRose ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:48:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God..i thought you were making a dark joke about the pediatrician..
Deadscale ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:37:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in the field yet so this isn't first hand experience, studied Digital Forensics in Uni.
For the most part, we're supposed to be impartial as our evidence we give has to be unbiased to get a fair conviction, if you as a person see something like this and already want to take matters into your own hands, you've got to think that you could potentially sabotage the investigation and let the guy walk away free if you feel like that. I can't say how easy that is to do but if I ever go into Police work I'll find out.
The only problem i see with taking matters into your own hands though is the same problem with the death penalty, what if you're wrong? Being accused of being a pedophile is something that shouldn't be done lightly in our society. Story time here.
Our lecturer always told each year the same story of a man who was accused of this, the police raided his house and walked him out shouting WE'RE ARRESTING YOU ON SUSPICION OF BEING A PEDOPHILE so everyone in the street could hear it, he lost his wife/kids as they left him and moved away, his house had graffiti all across it with "Pedo Scum" written across the door and it's windows put through with bricks, and the local newspaper published an image of the man stating he was a Pedophile.
The initial catch was that his IP address had downloaded and distributed multiple graphic images, but after a month of investigation he was cleared as they found out that a group of people were driving a Van around the area, hacking into peoples Wi-fi and then distributing it.
But his life was fucked, even though the papers printed that he was innocent everyone who saw him still thought he was a Pedo, his Wife had already left with his Daughter and wouldn't speak to him, he lost his job and couldn't even stay at his house, in the end he had to go into protective custody and move places + change his name.
The moral here of course is that you've gotta be as unbiased as possible when investigating something as any bias or initial assumptions could ruin someones life.
dedorian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a prison for a bit and overheard one of the inmates explaining how he and other pedophiles was just "misunderstood" like "the queers in the 70s" (he was an older man) and the children he raped were "much more mature" than we gave them credit for, how four and five year olds are "very sexual" in nature. While lined up to go out to the rec yard later that day, he was trying to make small talk and asked me if I had any kids.
I am a calm man, it takes a lot to rile me up. I can probably list on one hand the number of times I've felt true anger; it's just not in my nature. I have never felt myself so close to losing control than that day. I quit (partially) because of that moment - it's scary to feel yourself almost lose it if you're not the reactionary type. I have immense respect for people who can put themselves in that role and maintain their composure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ I thought this was in regards to pediatricians at first but you meant the police.
majorchamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anyone in a position of having to witness and/or absorb the evil taking place on a young child..whether it is dealing with an actual pedophile in person, reviewing tapes, court reporting, etc..
JustDiscoveredSex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:53:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a major reason I changed my plans to become a LEO. My best friend in high school looked at me sideways and said, "You. With a gun. God, that's frightening." May have had a point.
crazyfingersculture ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:25:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy you don't hear about these things, as if they have become so common.
icytiger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:09:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in the past you probably heard of them even less and they were probably more common than now.
KennyFulgencio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did hear about one pediatrician who did this, made headlines for a week (including on reddit) sometime in the last 5-10 years, and was wondering if this was the same guy, or if more than one of them in recent history has been caught after molesting/recording 100+ children
og_sandiego ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i know we've all got problems. small, big, in between - but this shit?? if either of my children had this 'pediatrician' as their doctor - i really am afraid of what i might do. i would likely do prison time for the amount of hurt i'd fuck that guy up with.
long live the good guys, and to hell with the perverts. BTW, once that doc goes to prison - the other inmates there will do what i was insinuating.
salothsarus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:18:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason why these cases need to be handled carefully is that everyone, myself included, would love nothing more than to pulp these fuckers' heads.
og_sandiego ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the judge would actually reduce your sentence - that, after the prosecutors reduced it from the get-go.
most of us are parents, and most (isn't that sad that i cannot write all???) of us have no tolerance for abuse like this.
salothsarus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:58:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get annoyed by the people who feel the need to condemn vigilante justice in these threads- we get it, we can't actually do these things. Let us vent our disgust and anger in peace.
thebananaparadox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have any children, but if he was my little brothers' doctor I probably would have to hold myself back from going to his house and kicking his ass at the very least. If someone else killed the guy I'd probably thank them. And I'm not someone who usually gets violent in any way.
og_sandiego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me either - not a violent person at all. i diffuse. i teach my kids two wrongs do not make a right. but in this situation, the 2nd wrong - if done properly - will eliminate the 1st. so i may need to put a caveat into that when teaching my toddlers. nope, can't let them know about this kind of stuff. sticking w/2 wrongs don't make a right w/them.
but with this guy? you and i are the same. a time for some serious hurt. (of course vigilante behaviour is lacking of facts often. but if my daughter or son told me first hand of abuse to this degree? my children are incapable of lying if it's not for selfish reasons. kids are so funny like that. but that would be enough for me, and i'd wear my orange jumpsuit w/pride)
Dood567 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I read somewhere that those types of investigators are legally required to stop after a certain amount of time or if their supervisor deems necessary before that. It makes sense because of just how fucked it has to be.
OverDueAccount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the department, most will let you stay as long as you can, but let you transfer as soon as you want.
Nukularwessels ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lewes, Delaware?
KingMandingo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was my guess too.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was he a surgeon or something? I was never alone in a room with a family doctor ever until I reached 16-17.
God some people are so fucked up.
KingMandingo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Southern Delaware?
Sawses ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:26:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're telling me is we need to hire sociopaths to look through that sort of stuff. A lack of empathy would make the job significantly easier, and be best for everyone involved. Or hire a pedophile--I'm not sure that's a win-win, but it sure as fuck beats the current system.
Zorchin ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:55:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, a sociopath maybe. But never a pedophile. Someone with those tendencies that has taken pains to not act on them and is getting the help they need (which since they aren't in prison I assume this to be the case.) does not need to be exposed to that shit. That's like asking an alcoholic to do a wine tasting.
abm2468 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:17:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the sociopath idea is great (and also unprobable) - they could just handle the video documentation so other people only need to read the necessary information (prescribed format) - which would still be terrible to read but it would remove the traumatic step of the actual video footage. Depending...there could also be an issue practically defining a sociopath (but likely not required... you'd just hire...)
However, if this was a real job you'd have covert pedophiles aiming for the position. What a rush. Which leads me to also strongly agree that pedophiles should never do that job... The alcoholic analogy sounds spot on to me ...is pedophilia classed as an addiction?
thebananaparadox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't even necessarily need to be full blown sociopaths, just people with lower empathy than most.
abm2468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:08 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon that'd come down to the hiring process/leniency. Im not sure community tolerance would extend to the risk of pedophiles doing that job (or even working alongside them). I imagine there is likely some % risk of actually 'giving people ideas' unintentionally if it is a focused role (ie, unlike cops it wouldn't be framed with the main trauma story)
thebananaparadox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:15 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I wouldn't say they should do that. I just am saying that it's a job people with less empathy/strong feelings might be better suited for.
abm2468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:13 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i get it - i got a bit rambly there
abm2468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:03 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon some type of AI technology would be the way to go.
Zorchin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's classed in the DSM 5 as a mental disorder. But the urges would be in line with an addiction.
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/pedophilic-disorder-dsm--5-302.2-(f65.4)
ickytoad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In treatment practice, the sexual addiction approach is used.
CptnLarsMcGillicutty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:11:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other problem with the system is that people let their own emotions and empathy get in the way of enacting actual justice and solving the problem. They aren't willing to accept that there is true evil in this world, and that it should be annihilated, not tolerated, reasoned with, or legally protected.
We are so detached from the actual ugliest and most atrocious aspects of existence that we refuse to ever consider that sometimes, some people do need to be mercilessly eliminated. And in extreme cases, inflicting pain upon the most egregious and predatory monsters in our world can be a necessary part of allowing the victims to feel appropriate justice has been served.
Its easy to be a middle class college-age Redditor browsing through dank memes and occasionally seeing articles or videos about horrible shit, and come away thinking: "Clearly the proper response to this is to simply take the moral high-ground, whatever that may be."
Take people out of their safe, isolated, violence-free world. Put them into a situation where their wives or children are exposed to real predators. Cartels. ISIS. Kidnapping. Human trafficking. Child sexual enslavement. Multi-generational torture camps. Genocide and infanticide. Mass rape. Sadist cannibalistic pedophiles who get off on recording their actions for everyone to see, and taunting the victim's family during sentencing.
All of this is very real. Not only have these things existed throughout human history in various forms, but they exist in our world right now. That's not an exaggeration.
But getting annoyed by Jake Paul videos, watching Jimmy Kimmel interview Emilia Clarke, checking Tinder, and watching new movie trailers on Youtube keeps us in a bubble where we forget how savage things can actually get, and how we should actually deal with them.
If our society was exposed how ugly things can truly get, it would start to understand that sometimes, brutality is necessary when dealing with real evil, not simply "people who are different from you."
Sometimes, hate is a proper response.
Sometimes, expressing sadism towards those who prey on the most innocent and vulnerable is actually the appropriate reaction.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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girlweibo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evil doesn't reside in all of us. Stupidity, a want for attention maybe, and an almost blind need to follow the crowd, but not evil. The actual numbers of people with evil 'residing' within is less that 20% of the population. The rest of us mostly don't even know what true evil actually looks like.
Case in point, some of the more naive ones here have suggested giving a sociopath the job of watching evidence videos; they mean good, but they don't know that sociopaths don't have to be paedophiles to play around with the evidence they'll document after watching, because they don't get that sociopaths are real evil, the kind that will do bad just for the sake of it.
Galyndean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard the turnover rate for the people at Google who have to do this is pretty high too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does that even happen?? Parents accompany children at pediatric visits! If a pediatrician said they needed to see my child alone, all kinds of red flags would go off in my brain.
Boostedkhazixstan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ.
Fightthedaemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Joe Biden's son prosecute that guy?
Harsimaja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thought of him planning to do it just once and not having a piece of him recoil at the monster it was inside. Total sociopath. And the thought that he probably picked paediatrics in med school for a reason, and not the usual one...
j0hn_r0g3r5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read about cases like this and how these people are actively asking for counselors to be provided as part of the job and be given other ways to deal with such fucked up cases. I'm guessing such treatments still arent provided for investigators who need to sit and watch that crap?
Char10tti3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching a UK crime documentary series and something like this came up one episode with first hand interviews and recorded police ones.
I wasn't watching the programme intently but I think a nursery worker kept reporting parents for potentially abusing young children. I think that tipped some people off as to something that was going on in the area before one of the children came forward and said it was that worker.
Turns out her boyfriend originally forced her to abuse children and give him the pictures but she kept doing it. It was over years and most of the children were too young to talk about it so there were a lot of police that had to identify children from the photographs before informing the parents.
I remember the police that found the images said they couldn't do anything straight away since it's illegal to send the images online and had to drive across the country with several teams to deliver the evidence. That must have been devastating knowing that nothing could be done until then too.
Edit: I think it's the Vanessa George case looking at Google. The police couldn't identify most of the children because they couldn't see their faces so the parents still don't know if their kids were abused, looks like this was 2009. I assumed it was earlier but would have been a contemporary documentary.
turd_miner91 ยท 942 points ยท Posted at 17:06:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ashton Kutcher runs a company outsourced by the FBI to catch pedophiles. He could barely keep it together in court when explaining some of the cases.
Anangrywelshman ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 17:10:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a link to that? Sounds interesting.
turd_miner91 ยท 479 points ยท Posted at 17:35:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like there was another hearing: which he delves into the personal sacrifice in the manual labor, actually having to go through all of the horrible content, but I couldn't find that one. This is just his opening though, the entire hearing was an hour or two, so it might be buried in there.
Basically the first five minutes is him discussing his companies original purpose and the prototype that led the unraveling of a massive sex-slavery ring. He's incredibly emotional throughout and you can kinda tell around the 7-8 minute mark when he talks about having to decline a contract because he didn't have the tech available that he eventually had been exposed to these crimes.
He's a super smart, well informed, and humble guy.
https://youtu.be/ZTT-_tbZf1o
comfortable_madness ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 17:37:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know this about him but it explains a lot, especially the shift in personality that "growing up/maturing" didn't really explain. From goofy to still humorous but more serious.
Asraia ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if he is a survivor himself?
FullShane ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:35:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't think so. I mean, it shouldn't affect our perceptions of him but I don't think so. He's from my home town and I've read up on him a bit. He has a brother with cerebral palsy who needed a new heart and he attended the university of iowa to major in biochemical engineering because he wanted to find a way to save him and others like him. I guess he's still trying to save people.
Edit: hi from the universe of Iowa, by the way. And before you ask, no, it's not too great. Its like regular Iowa but it doesn't stop, there's just more corn :/
Onatu ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people are just born wanting to help. Doesn't matter how, doesn't matter what. He seems like one of those people. He's been successful and had a pretty good life from what I can tell, and now he's using that success to do good for others and give them a chance at a good life as well. That's pretty admirable.
Sedentary ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:46:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, Iowa shouldn't claim to be a Universe
Asraia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:32 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello back from the universe of Oklahoma. Just like regular Oklahoma, but more rednecks. ๐
melez ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I heard he was a great person, I just never really expected him to be that good a person.
bluelightnings ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:14:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That lady behind him looks way too happy about what's going on
282828287272 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:21:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She really perked up when he said "Slavery."
OriginallyNamed ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:31:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That's my fetish."
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:25:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that she's an employee, so she might just be proud for the change she's involved in.
Edit: spelling
SighReally12345 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She seems especially smiley when his delivery is strong. I suspect she's a speechwriter or a speech-delivery-expert(speaking coach?).
RylBlue66 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking that same thing as I watched. I wanted to reach through my screen and smack her head!
ChemicalCalypso ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! That was a well delivered speech. Emotional
Sean951 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:10:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always liked him, but didn't think he was a great actor, then he sorta vanished. Good on him, I can't imagine what it's like.
MyBrainIsAI ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:06:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That had me in tears. Thank you for that video. I have more respect for Ashton Kutcher and Senator McCain.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing.
Eyedeafan88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! So much respect for that guy!
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 19:16:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dingleberry_Muffins ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:38:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it ironic? Two very different things.
RylBlue66 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm, Mila Kunis lied about her age to get on the show, how is it HIS fault?
TiagoTiagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did? How old were they back then?
RylBlue66 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm, Mila Kunis lied about her age to get on the show, how is it HIS fault?
RylBlue66 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm, Mila Kunis lied about her age to get on the show, how is it HIS fault?
madlyrogue ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 17:15:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/HUmfsvegMRo
og_sandiego ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn. i love me some Ashton. soooo, soooooo good on him. awesome stuff.
Jonger1150 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... he does seem to be doing good stuff with his money and fame. He also invests in small companies and has been on the shark tank at least once that I know of.
envirex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:37:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow TIL
puertovixan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:53 on November 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore are both involved in child trafficking. It's a front.
dohawayagain ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 18:02:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Demi Moore.
[deleted] ยท 254 points ยท Posted at 17:00:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fuzzyblackelephant ยท 476 points ยท Posted at 17:18:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's so many people not paid enough. Child protection hears this day in and out--it's truly a 24/7 never ending job.
People who work with these kids down the line in facilities start off at about 12.50/hour, work holidays, and get extremely limited time off (despite self care). You get spit on, punched, run after them, love them, and care for them--usually because some POS really fucked them up and they've experienced more trauma in their pinky finger than most of us will experience in a lifetime. I know because I used to do this, and would literally have done it my whole life if I could live off of that.
Police, therapists, social workers, teachers, nurses, GALs--none of these professions get paid enough when working with children and it's absolutely impossible to comprehend what we experience (and what these kids experience in these places) unless you live it.
I've been doing social work for 10 years now and have never made more that $40,000/year. I also live in a city where that's barely enough to get by. BUT, I do love working with kids. Can't wait for the day I don't live paycheck to paycheck.
Edit: damn, didn't think I'd get gold ever in my life. Thank you!
Also--I forgot to mention the pillars that are foster families and group home parents. They make our world go round.
Dex0807 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:05:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or how about the foster parents that take in these kids from trauma. We deal with all the outburst plus the stress of trying to get them professional help all for pennies. But I do it because I freaking love these kiddos. They deserve better.
Source: Am a foster parent with 4 placements right now.
fuzzyblackelephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Word!! Shout out to ALL the foster families & group home employees!! I'm there are so many running pieces to this puzzle. I knew I'd leave a few out.
Sawses ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a quick aside--nurses get paid a shit ton compared to the rest because there's a shortage and high standards to be one. Still, you're right; I'd want to do social work, if I thought I could support a family on it.
Kylynara ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:38:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly there's a shortage of social workers compared to the amount being done. However that's mostly because there's not a shortage compared to money available to pay them.
Sawses ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:40:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. The shortage for nurses is because of the high standards. For social work, it's because you basically sacrifice any career mobility by getting a specialized degree, and they don't pay you enough because they need so many people, yet have so little money.
danceycat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you get your masters you can probably make money to support your family, particularly if your licensed. I'm sure it varies from location though
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Know a lot of nurses... If were talkin' RN's in a hospital, lets worry about other professions.
I'd say making over $100/hr is doing "ok".
PresidentDouchebag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:27:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying nurses in a hospital make $100/hr? If so, you're absolutely bullshitting. The average nurse salary in the US is between $66k and $75k/year. https://www.bsnedu.org/salaries/
matttTHEcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an autism therapist for really young kids, I WISH I was paid 60k per year haha. I would shit my pants.
WcCannons ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know 3 in NorCal that make 75/hr and can easily roll into time and a half and doubletime by manipulating their schedule.
RN's make PLENTY if they work in a hospital and have extremely strong unions.
I'm not saying their work isn't hard, but they're not struggling. So we dont need to group in hospital RN's with the "overworked and unpaid" bunch.
PresidentDouchebag ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:59:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The poster you replied to stated that nurses make a "shit ton", and relatively speaking, I get that. But don't imply that $100/hr is the even close to the norm. Just because you know 3 nurses in a location that has one of the highest costs of living, does not mean that nurses in general make even close to 200k a year.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't known a single nurse between CA and IN where I've lived that makes less than 40/hr.
I don't know what kind of hospital-level nurses you know but if they're not making close to 100k per year working 32-40 hours a week they're getting screwed. Nurses that work in hospitals make plenty.
PresidentDouchebag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$40/hr is much more realistic. I'm not saying they don't get paid well, I'm arguing against your "$100/hr" claim.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
40 is 80k for 40hr work week.
WcCannons ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your link is for BSN anyways, im not talking about simply an RN that has a bachelors, but RN's that work MedSurg/ICU/ER/PICU/PACU/TELE/NUC etc in a hospital.
They don't need anyone's defense. They have high wages and strong unions.
PresidentDouchebag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, sorry buddy, but BSN is higher than RN.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you clearly don't know what you're talking about I'll stop responding.
RN =/= BSN =/= Practicing acute care RN
PresidentDouchebag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I know how it works. And RN with a BSN will, 99 times out of 100, make more than an RN without a BSN. That's the point I was making, but since you want to be a pedantic jerkoff about it, you're still rambling on. Stop distracting from the fact that you made an absurd claim to begin with and I called you out on it. 100k a year is not 100/hr. And the average RN salary in the US is ~$70k/year. My point has been made. Hopefully I spelled it out clearly enough for you, and if I didn't, I really don't care anymore.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100/he is easy to come by, work 3 12's in a row or a turnaround and you'll be making 100/hr in most hospitals assuming you're actually an RN.
I'm not confusing 100/hr and 100k/ year. Only an idiot would do that. Sorry you seem to work in an area of the US where nurses are getting screwed. You should move to CA, TX, OR, WA, IN, MI, NY, or NV. You'll make a lot more.
PresidentDouchebag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, no. They include RN in the page that I linked. Reread it.
WcCannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BSN is a degree. RN is a license. Working as an RN in an acute care hospital is what I'm talking about. There are all kinds of RN's it there. The technically competent onea strive to work in a hospital because that's where skills are challenged and valuable experience is obatined.
fuzzyblackelephant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:43:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, they get more. I'm still thinking nurses in nonprofit residential facilities probably get paid pennies compared to their counterparts.
mapleleaffem ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 18:05:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also because nursing is a profession. No offense to other people working in social services but nurses literally save lives real time, not in an emotional or psychological sense.
feliscat ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:49:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EMTs save lives in real time and make minimum wage or slightly better
aihley ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:48:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... what exactly do you think social workers do???
Social workers do save lives in the same sense. That's pretty much the whole reason they exist and most of the time they don't intervene immediately unless there is imminent physical harm. Abuse and neglect don't just kill souls. Children are beaten and starved to death. They are left unsupervised. Household accidents kill.
09Charger ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:31:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the good laugh. Nurses get paid well because they have incredibly strong UNIONS and the way that the insurance pay system is set up.
It takes just 2 fricken years to become a Nurse, compare that to the 6 years + clinical residency that Social Workers need. Also watch less Grey's Anatomy please.........Nurses rarely are the ones "saving" people in real time, that shit is done in the OR and ER by DOCTORS and SURGEONS........ unless we're talking CPR or baseline medication administration, at which point I'd argue that Paramedics serve that role more commonly.
Good job being a dipshit though.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:55:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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09Charger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Licensing requirements for an RN is just a 2-yr program in NYS. ER nurses are a specific annoyance to me because many I have met think that the 6-weeks they spent getting a brief over view of mental health now qualifies them to diagnosis patients or overrule the LCSW..........but I digress.
buyfreemoneynow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nurses save lives too, man. Trauma and ER nurses have a really rough job, especially in densely-populated areas.
mapleleaffem ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:55:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess nurses play a different role where you live, and clearly different training requirements. Good job following up your mostly cogent argument with a personal attack:)
PrudenceCashmere ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:28:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're truly a hero. I'll never understand the under appreciation of the aforementioned professions. I'm two years away from my BSW. I'm prepared to make shit but I absolutely love this field and and I can't imagine doing anything else. It's good to know there are others out there 10 years in who are still just as passionate as I am. Thank you.
BCB75 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it actually under appreciated, or are you just talking about salary? I understand the salary issues, since the people being helped usually don't have money to give, so where would it come from?
squeel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Social workers are usually employees of the state. The money comes from taxes and other government provided services.
PrudenceCashmere ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Though the salary isn't always the best, by under appreciated I was actually referring to the fact that social workers are often underrated for the work they do and the field itself is sometimes misunderstood. For example, when I tell people that's what I am going to school for, two common responses are: "so you're gonna take kids away from their parents in the middle of the night?" And "really? are you sure that's what you wanna do? My heart just couldn't handle that".
BCB75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that sucks. Luckily, I haven't met anyone with that attitude.
corbear007 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there honestly any compensation worth giving up pieces of your life over? Potentially the rest of your life? This shit pissed me off hearing about it, seeing it first hand would destroy me as a person.
fuzzyblackelephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the kids make it worth it. The compensation could just alleviate other stressors to make it more manageable.
Asraia ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teacher here. I agree.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children's social worker here too. Thank you for all you do!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's what we get after decades of listening to wealthy yuppies about the horror of unions and promoting trickle down economics.
alflup ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the industry. It's not even close to what you think it should be. It's much less. And burnout happens A LOT.
These people are responsible for keeping us alive and we treat them like utter shit financially. I feel like a lot of the issues with law enforcement right now could be fixed by simply paying them their worth.
Sawses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an amount of money you could pay me to look through evidence like that. It's a pretty high number, but the number exists.
HeyPScott ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:23:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm working on a doc about this--about child trafficking and the people on the frontline. Gallows humor pervades. One woman was telling me that someone in her office was new and filed a complaint about the dark humor with HR. That sudden judgment of how these people cope made everyone very depressed and ashamed. She was let go within a week.
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as that humor stays well within the appropriate places (probably a bad phrase, but w/e), I'll judge no one for their coping mechanisms.
probablyurmom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:16:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i recently found out that my uncle has to do this and it fucks him up so badly :(((
MikeyLust ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, my dad was an investigator... He drank himself to the the point where his life was cut short due to the sacrifice he had to make watching those videos, digging into the reality of what happened, having to witness it over and over to absorb every detail... drinking was his only escape. If he had more time before the end, I think he would have tried to find new work. When he would tell me how broken he was after dealing with a case, I could see beyond the fatherly look in his eyes and see pain. I miss my father, he was a true hero.
redheadartgirl ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:19:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to sit on a jury for a child rape case about 10 years ago in a case very similar to this. The fucker took pictures of the child sobbing as he raped her. As the jury, we had to look at them. I'm still messed up from it.
At least the cops choose to do that work. The jury was forced to be traumatized by that. I hope that asshole rots.
PM_ME_UR_BOATHULL ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:02:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found child porn on a guys computer I was fixing one time. I made up some story about the computer being too fucked up to fix at his house that I needed to take it in to our shop. I told my boss and he agreed. He had a county investigator there when I arrived. The investigator wasn't even someone who looks at regular porn and I had to show him a couple images before he could 100% say it was underrage girls. He was so fucking upset he even had to look at it. I felt really bad for the guy.
Well, apparently the guy knew what was up after I took the computer. They went to raid his house and he was gone. I got a call like a month or two later from the investigator. They eventually caught the guy in Mexico.
basementdiplomat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it would have been permissable to convertly take some pics on your phone and email to local law enforcement so that way they can arrive on the scene while you and he are still there?
yurmahm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they're gonna charge you too if you're in the US. That's how we roll...
What was that headline yesterday? Some high school kid sent a dickpic to his 22 year old teacher, and they charged the kid with production of child porn...
basementdiplomat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty fucked. Maybe just a strongly worded email then just describing the pics. Whatever it takes to get them there as soon as possible. How awful :-/
yurmahm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Locally (well, a town like 20 miles away) some high school girl took a picture of her snatch and sent it to her boyfriend, so he of course sent it to 9 other kids. They wanted to charge every single one of them with child pornography possession, regardless of their involvement in it. That tune changed when the media reported on what they were planning on doing. Instead all kids got in house and out of school suspension and no charges were filed.
They were ready to destroy 9 kids lives for something they literally had no culpable involvement in.
Consequently same scumbag department were one of the first ones to get a free MRAP from the government in that 1099 program. They pretty much use it for the sole purpose of raiding marijuana growers (they say their problem is heroin but the stats showed that they almost exclusively bust small time marijuana growers).
basementdiplomat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez. That got outta hand quick.
gillahouse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone did an AMA recently who worked in that department for years and had to quit because of their mental trauma because of it.
Kamala_Metamorph ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:07:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think about it, for every child pornography case, somewhere a child was actually harmed beyond our comprehension. For the survivors who manage to grow up and cope with every day. Those. They are your true heroes.
vrtig0 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:28:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can be both.
Kamala_Metamorph ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No argument. I am merely pointing out that if you look around these comments, there are a lot of folks who empathize with the mom for her actions, and here a lot of folks empathize with the LEOs.
There are relatively few for the victim, and the lack of ability to empathize with victims of child sexual abuse is part of the problem. One in 9 girls under 18 are victims of child sex abuse. (source.) And yet we identify more with the 'protectors'--- which I assure you is much fewer than 1 in 9 adults.
Until we are able to make the leap to empathize with the protectors and the survivors, they will be left out of the support system. And I'm thinking primarily of support for the adults who were former victims.
Warp__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 in 9
Woah.
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate the comments.
For the record, I am, in fact, a guy.
Thinking about it, at least for me, I have an easier time identifying with the mother because I really have no idea what it's like to be sexually assaulted by someone bigger and stronger than me.
Even my own wife was assaulted repeatedly as a child. When I read this, I went back to the stories she told me, how angry I was, and how I'd throw my life away to stop that from happening again.
I think we tend to go into protector mode when faced with stories like this, and I also think that most feel it goes without saying that we feel sympathy for the girl, (what psyco wouldnt) even though it should be said.
Kamala_Metamorph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sorry about your wife's experience. She is a hero for surviving and getting through every day.
I think we actually underestimate ourselves. We have never stabbed anyone (I hope), and yet we can imagine doing so. I think we could also, with effort and some discomfort, imagine being a victim.
The other problem is our media--- there are plenty of stories (think of all the movies and books) out there about "heroes" who enact the revenge. There are not enough stories about survivors coping with the demons in their head every day. I think this does limit our ability to empathize and put ourselves in those stories. I'd encourage everyone to seek out those unusual stories and support them and promote them, so that more of us can learn to empathize with victims and survivors.
Here, I'll start us off. I have not seen these but these were search results. Mix of fiction / non-fic:
I am Jane Doe
Gardens of the Night
The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison
The Little Prisoner by Jane Elliott
These books I have read and would recommend:
A Good Killing by Allison Leotta
A Child Called "It" by Dave Pelzer
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
edit: And if it's uncomfortable, just remember that we adults have the option of going back to our nice, non-abused lives, and these children didn't. It's worth the effort to be uncomfortable for a few hours, if only to increase our empathy, imo. I also do believe that the discomfort and awareness lessens our impulse of denial (see the other chain here) when it happens to someone we love.
oh_orpheus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you seriously making this a competition?
Souseisekigun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have been 16 year olds and 17 year olds charged with child pornography for having pictures of themselves. These children were not harmed beyond our comprehension. Some jurisdictions count adults that look like children or depictions/descriptions of non-existent beings that resemble children as child pornography. No children were harmed beyond our comprehension in these cases as they did not involve children at all. If you're going to make technical points about how media affects our perceptions of things then I feel the need to point out that statements like these are over-simplistic.
crymorenoobs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:07:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yikes
Interviewer: "So, Charles. I see you worked as a detective in law enforcement for 25 years. Could you outline your job duties?"
Charles: "Sure. When the guys come back from a child porn bust, they usually confiscate all of the illegal footage"
I: "...oh?"
C: "So, when you're building a prosecution of a child porn operation, someone has to watch the footage and document it to be presented in court."
I: "I don't like where this is going"
C: "I watched child porn professionally for over two decades"
I: "... we'll call you"
edit for clarity
trapper2530 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't someone do an AMA about that a while ago?
Loocsiyaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, luckily for me our policy has changed and we have a dedicated department that goes over everything now so we just stop at the first image that we find.
That being said, I've sifted over tons of shit that wouldn't technically be classified as child porn yet but indicates it's coming up. i.e. Obviously young children in bikinis in suggestive poses etc.
Shit sucks, what the fuck is wrong with these people...
apolloxer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So does the defender.
In one case, the accused insisted on defending himself in order to review the evidence.
Aretz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my friends used to work in a team who would use the videos to find the perpetrators. She said that there was incredibly stringent rules with the handling of child pornography and it was really traumatic to do.
But they've done some amazing work. They've found people through photos in the background, natural light etc.
yurmahm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on with that. I found something out about that child porn investigator stuff.
There's this software they use, it masks ALL the pornography aspects in the photos using some form of heuristics. So you get these masked out photos that still show all the lovely background details in the images that are the bread & butter of photographic forensic examination without seeing the identity of the victim and without the victim having to think "oh no all these cops are looking at those pictures now too."
So no, a bunch of child porn investigators don't actually view the images in their entirety thus not re-victimizing the victim and not risking traumatizing the investigators.
It's actually a rather novel way of doing it because it allows LOTS of people to look at the images and help out with looking for evidence without putting the victims or investigators at risk. I'm pretty sure this systems been super effective at catching folks too.
rickricksby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about the undercover officers who have to hang around these creeps to uncover pedofile rings. It would require an impossible amount of restraint not to just go on a murdering rampage.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse: The child pornography cases taken to the courts are only the people who have been caught. I would bet that there are proportionally MORE who don't get caught than those who do.
This is why one would be hard-pressed to meet a woman in their lifetime who has not been molested and/or raped at some point. It's a sickening truth about society.
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another commenter said 1 in 9 have been assaulted under the age of 18.
Little more than 10% of the women you meet. Gives me pause.
illy-chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A family member of mine knew someone who did just that for law enforcement. It really screwed her up - she'd randomly break down and start crying in public places because she'd see stuff or kids that/who reminded her of stuff from the videos. She eventually left the job - who could blame her?
best_jeppe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read an article a while back about the investigators whom handle child pornography here in Sweden describing their work. They said that they always had the videos on mute because hearing the sounds were unbearable. They also always had, if memory serves me correct, a therapist available that they could go and talk to whenever they needed.
I admire the people who decides and endure to investigate these kinds of crimes because I, as a father, would never be able to do it.
starhussy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worse: there are people who have to analyze and enhance those videos.
_Houser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who works as a computer forensic analyst for the police. He's not even been doing it a year and he's struggling with this exact issue.
They truly do have to sacrifice a part of their health to do the work.
Wonderroind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like that scene from True Detective where they have to watch the child sacrifice (probably rape and sacrifice) in case any of the people took off their masks.
That's obviously just a show but I can't imagine all the shit the police have to deal with.
sirius4778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I couldn't watch it. So horrible.
grantmoore3d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope one day that image recognition software advances to the point where it can make that job less of a pain for those investigators.
demeschor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That must be one of the most traumatising jobs in the world. Because it's not a one off and I'm assuming they'll never find the outcome of what happened to the victim. Awful
truemeliorist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember the NSA was working on a program to create hashes of known child pornography files available on the internet. Then if a hard drive gets searched, they can easily ID renamed files by the hash.
I wonder if that could have been used to allow jurors to say "I trust that the 1000 matches to known CP files is good enough for me" rather than having to sit through some of society's worst.
Zippo16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly people who investigate CP cases and videos usually only last for a couple years before it becomes too overwhelming. I couldn't do it for 30 seconds. Shit is fucked up yo
Renegadekate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle is in the FBI and routinely has to work child pornography cases. I can confirm there's several people required to look at every photo, watch every video. Multiple times.
Besides just documenting evidence, they're looking for anything to identify the victims in an attempt to find them. There's databases of images that are used to cross check for facial recognition. It's a sad sad fucked up thing to have to do, but he says it's worth it to do everything he can to help
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my profs' knows someone who does that. They would watch HOURS of that shit after a big bust to document it all. I don't know how they do it.
boogie414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right?! That's the stuff hell is made out of. I couldn't do it. Nope.
runninginorbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook has the same problem. They have actual people trying to determine whether or not flagged videos need to be removed and there's been some seriously graphic/disturbing content that's sometimes resulted in these moderators getting PTSD. (source)
Golantrevize23 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No didnt you know cops are bad and rascist 100%
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually happen to think that there is a real racial problem in law enforcement, but I can also see shades of grey.
superkp ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:17:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about you, but I'm a dad, with a 2yo daughter.
This shit fucks me up just remembering that this shit happens.
SpellsThatWrong ยท 423 points ยท Posted at 16:06:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These people should die. Bring on the downvotes
mrmooocow4 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:12:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the movie The Hunt with Mads Mikkelsen? A movie about an innocent man who is wrongly accused of molestation by his best friend's young daughter. She doesn't do it with malintent- she is just a child that made up a story.
Not saying I don't agree with you, just your comment reminded me of this movie- and the complexities of the situation especially when someone is wrongfully accused.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
great movie and great comment
GreatestOfAllTime96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh that's what The Hunt is about. someone said The Hunt was tied with mother! for most infuriating movies they've ever seen and now i can absolutely see why
Vandechoz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why you can believe both "people who do X should die" and "we can never justify killing someone accused of doing X" without at all being a hypocrite.
Pixels256 ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree but you asked for it
black_pestilence ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:15:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree with him too, but I also don't want to disappoint him. Downvote I guess.
TitanicMan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:25:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait to see when his score is revealed. /u/SpellsThatWrong don't delete that.
!remindme 1 hour
Ifuktractors ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe 30 minutes
SpellsThatWrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So soon!
MelissaClick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be positive for sure. But not as positive as if he didn't say the dumb thing about downvotes.
MelissaClick ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:55:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what an unpopular opinion. So brave of you to say that.
monopanda ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I understand why you feel that way - here is a great argument why that's a bad idea: https://youtu.be/T7xt5LtgsxQ?t=6m2s
TheFlyingBastard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No time for rational arguments - there's posturing to do! Quickly, tell me how badly you want another human being to suffer and be sure to tell me how he's not a human being and therefore deserves all the torture fantasies this comment section conjures up!
TwizzlerKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If any adult even LOOKS at a child they should be stung and have their skin peeled off. I'll do it of no one else will (I'm a real badass). /s
vasken ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That argument doesn't take into account the deterrent factor.
smonke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:55:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He talks about deterrence literally within one minute of that timestamp
monopanda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't expect people to listen to the whole point - come on now. ;-)
vasken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you missed the point I was making because you were too busy coming up with such a clever winky-face comeback.
Thanks for your input, though!
vasken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He talks about it in terms of deterring the escalation of the crime. As in... someone has already committed this crime, so they have nothing to lose from escalating to murder from... say littering.
What he does not talk about - and the entire point I was making - is the fact that a disproportionate punishment for littering could deter someone from littering to begin with.
For a real life example of this, see Singapore.
jwota ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are people upvoting because they disagree, or in spite of your command?
Fuck you for creating this paradox!
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Energy_Turtle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pro both. Pain and suffering while removing them from the world.
Warthog_A-10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing prosecutors only convict guilty people! /s
Energy_Turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok then we'll just put them in jail for life since they might be innocent.
Warthog_A-10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'd prefer that because if they are later proven innocent they can be released from prison. If they're executed there's no undoing that injustice.
nicematt90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
edgey friday
Yealsen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/iamverybadass?
leevei ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:10:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should get therapy during very long time in prison. If they're mentally ill, they should be treated whether or not they want it. If someone would do that to my child, I might kill him/her, but I would expect to spend life in prison after that.
kare_kano ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:28:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to play devil's advocate here. It's not my argument, it's Robert Heinlein in "Starship Troopers". Similar situation, guy rapes and kills little girl. Gets public death by hanging.
Main character wonders if something else, like therapy, could've been tried instead. He decides no, for the following reasons:
Death saves everybody time and grief and taxpayer money.
PS: In case anybody's wondering, Arthur Clarke described in "The Final Space Oddyssey" what a viable, thorough approach would entail: criminals convicted of grievous acts had their mind completely transformed, the memory of their act wiped, their appearance altered, spent time doing public service (menial tasks) while in a mentally reduced state (had their memory wiped of that too) then basically started fresh. Now that's SciFi.
Even though "Starship Troopers" is also SciFi, Heinlein was more focused on realistic solutions. He argued that people end up doing things like that because of bad influences and not having corrective feedback early enough, often enough, or harsh enough. He argues that slaps on the wrists are what eventually end up creating such monsters, and that society and parents should deal with these issues much earlier.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capital punishment or not, the important thing is criminals know the consquences are so bad. Fixing someone, is up to them, society will never treat them same way again.
leevei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, not wanting capital punishment is mostly an ideological decision, and stuff like this makes me second guess myself. Still, who am I to take someones only life? As Eddard Stark says: "He who passes the sentence, should also carry it out."
I agree, that it should be addressed earlier. Pedophiles and other people who feel like sexual predators need to go to have therapy before they do anything criminal. They don't seek help, because it always leaks, and their lives are ruined.
It should be good thing they seek help, and people should not gossip about these things.
TheFlyingBastard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and it frustrates me when I see comment sections like these. All these monstrous murder fantasies do is push people who need that help deeper into their own communities where they'll just confirm to themselves how they are "oppressed". In doing so, society at large carries at least some responsibility for the child abuse that comes out of that.
derickjthompson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arthur Clarke may have been a pedo too
kare_kano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke#Knighthood
derickjthompson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I am glad to hear that!
impulsesair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death penalty is pretty damn expensive though. Also if you want a harsh punishment, life in prison is way worse than death, because all of your time is wasted and after that you still die. Also if later it's found out that the person is actually innocent then you can actually at least attempt to unfuck the fuck up.
That sucks, but that is also a really shitty argument for a death penalty. No one will forgive him, so let's hang him. At the end of the day, what matters is public safety, and if that person has been made "safe" then there is no problem.
rottyforaday ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:20:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've personally been to prison for an extended amount of time, and can say that while these pedophiles (all sex offenders, really) do receive "therapy" or "counseling" during their entire bid, a lot still return to the same behaviors and some come back with new sex charges. There is no cure. They should all be taken out back at the courthouse and shot in the head, execution style.
leevei ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure most pedophiles never act on their desire, so never spend time in prison. You never really heal from pedophilia, but you can learn not to act on it. Most people are sexually most active during 20-25 years, so just time alone makes it easier for them to resist themselves. If on top of that they receive good therapy, it is almost certain, that their hand is enough for them the rest of their life's.
I dont know the actual statistics on sexual criminals going back to their ways, but I don't buy your claim that "most do it again" without some study on the subject.
SuggestiveDetective ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have been many. Just look up sexual predators in your city or any and tick off how many are repeat offenders. I personally have never seen a sexual predator with less than two charges, except a 15 yr old who was on his second rape and attempted murder charge.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophilia isn't a disorder that can be cured, it's a crime if acted upon.
leevei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people are sexually attracted to men, some to women, some to children. The last is called pedophilia. I'm pretty sure no one is convicted of pedophilia, but rather some act, like raping a child.
CtrlAltTrump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People will be sexually attracted to whatever is in front of them if they are morally depraved enough. Pedos arent attracted to children, they are attracted to the weakest vulnerable people in society which happens to be children.
leevei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are probably talking about different things.
I say, that pedophilia is an actual sexual orientation. That is a fact. Most pedophiles know that acting on their orientation is wrong.
You say, that most convicted child molesters just want to hurt the most vulnerable humans. That is also true.
There are studies about sexual orientations of child molesters. Most of them actually aren't pedophiles. Most of the time, they wanted to hurt the childs mother, and well, what would work better than that.
sedition- ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah fuck that, preying on children is the one thing I refuse to tolerate, anyone that does this deserves death, no redemption for garbage like that.
leevei ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you would tolerate a murder (of children), but not sexually assaulting children. Thats just fucked up. I'm not tolerating either, but usually death penalty is still suboptimal punishment.
Frixum ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:28:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with society is that people think all lives are precious when they are not.
If you hurt or rape children, your life should not be cherished. No ressources should go into rehabilitation. You are a danger to society and should be executed for the good of the people.
Those actions should have a 0 tolerence policy.
ApolloOfTheStarz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll rather take the unethical scientific torture/experimental approach.
For example in this case we study the man psyche then proceed to pump him full of untested drug to see if we cure the cancer we gave him.
leevei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On individual level I agree. But when we look at the entire society, we see that death penalty does in fact increase the number of crimes. That's why I don't want death penalty. We can also see that therapy decreases the number of repeated criminals, that is why it is a good thing. If the society has a good "safety net", where nobody needs to be a criminal for living, the cost of prison system os pretty low compared to the other costs of state.
Edit: meant to say decrease, and fixed it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:57:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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leevei ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, thank you for pointing that out.
my_gamertag_wastaken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the people abusing kids aren't doing it to make a living, they're doing it cause they're sick fucks. It's fundamentally different than somebody that robs somebody or even most murder cases.
leevei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that we can single out crimes like that. Where's the line going to be? If we are going to kill child molesters, we have to give death penalty for crimes that are objectively worse, that is, crimes where someone dies.
my_gamertag_wastaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, we can execute all the murderers too. That sounds fine.
leevei ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want more crime https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates.
SpellsThatWrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To play devil's advocate, given the (very important) appeal avenues for a death sentence, they tend to cost far more than a life of imprisonment
AThievingStableBoy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:41:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you on about? Who said they'd tolerate murdering children?
leevei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"is the one thing I refuse to tolerate". The the here refers to "the one and only". Without the the, it would be just one of things he doesn't tolerate.
AThievingStableBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are being disingenuous with your line of attack.
First off, he says "preying on children is the one thing I refuse to tolerate". Clearly, cold blooded murder falls under the umbrella of 'preying on children'. Nonetheless, you use this to claim that /u/sedition- is somehow tolerant of killing children.
What's more, when someone uses a phrase like "the one thing I can't tolerate" in a colloquial setting, all parties involved understand that there are probably several other things that the person cannot tolerate. It's a manner of speaking, and only an asshole would literalize it in order to make someone look bad.
I'm sure /u/sedition- probably can't tolerate mass genocide or torturing pregnant mothers or kicking puppies, and you're just as aware of this as I am. But, your goal here obviously wasn't to give an honest rebuke to a statement. Your goal was to write a "gotcha" comment and get karma, whether or not it was honest.
When you find yourself losing arguments or not being taken seriously in real life, this is probably the reason.
leevei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was being sarcastic and took the message 'as is'. I know that he was not literal, neither was I. The last sentence of my message was honest, I think capital sentence is not the best punishment for anything.
And in this context I intepret preying to have sexual meaning, as the word is usually used for that.
You asked why I made those assumptions and I answered.
Edit: if I'm having an argument irl, I have to assume, that the opposing side means what he says, or ask for clarification. I don't really count for wins and losses, I hope that everyone learns something.
Edit2: I rather take upvotes than downvotes, but mostly I'm just bored and don't want to do stuff that are more important than arguing online.
AThievingStableBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay that's bullshit and you know it. You said, "So you would tolerate a murder (of children), but not sexually assaulting children. Thats just fucked up." Nobody would reasonably interpret that as sarcasm. At least admit you were wrong instead of hiding behind "oooohhh no I was just being sarcastic lulz".
leevei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe sarcasm is a wrong word, but I'll elaborate. I meant to exaggarate what he said to make him see, that he is speaking loosely.
What's that called? (Genuine question)
AThievingStableBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More lies, you didn't say anything to that effect in your original statement. Instead of changing your story can't you just admit you were wrong?
leevei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not changing my story. English is not my first language, and some of my text might come out different than I mean it.
Now, you'll say, that now I'm hiding behind that, but I've tried to explain my intentions as best as I can, and you're calling me a liar. I disagree.
Edit: And if you know the answer to my genuine question, please tell me. I will use the word appropriately after that.
nobodyknoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the one hand the child feels pain up until they die relatively quickly. On the other hand they feel pain every time they get violated and it doesn't go away, staining relationships and damaging their psychological health until they die years later. Yea one of those is worse than the other
leevei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other is definitely permanent ending of life, other leaves a big mark to ones life, but usually doesn't suck all happiness out of life. I think the first is worse.
bsouth16 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way. Have an upvote instead. Fuck those people. They truly don't deserve to be alive in my eyes
Peacemaker_58 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is an up vote because I'd do it myself if I saw it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SpellsThatWrong ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone above disagreed. Also, i hate you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He must have been such a pain in the ass.
nirvroxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are completely correct. They should. In the worst way possible, or throw them into prison general population without guard protection.
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry... had to upvote. I'm strongly against child abuse.
amyslays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry... had to upvote. I'm strongly against child abuse.
Alit_Quar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Not because of justice or revenge or to deter others, but simply because they will never do it again. If it does deter others, which I doubt in most cases, even better.
thratty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but downvoted you out of compliance
Agys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did the poor detectives ever do to you??
Stevi100183 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You won't get any downvotes from me. Firing squad. Rehabilitation doesn't work with pedophiles.
Catgurl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Desth is too easy. Should be placed in general pop in rikers
nickthedick69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imagine being a soldier protecting child molesters
BelCifer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, fuck
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing sucks the spirit out of life like this fucked up satanic shit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Second hand. The 2 year old would have been first hand.
SorryToSay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, hope both of your guys' feelings are okay having to listen to that tragic story that actually happened to people.
spicycolleen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Things can be difficult for everyone involved in different ways. Just because it was horrific for the people who experienced it doesn't mean it wasn't awful to have to watch or listen to. This isn't an either/or scenario.
SorryToSay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. It's an acknowledgement of strange behavior.
[deleted] ยท 531 points ยท Posted at 16:04:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough internet for today.
DrIcePhD ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:38:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, stop the timer I'm going back to bed fuck this.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:50:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I'm on lunch as well good thing I finished
TalkinPlant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:02:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phrasing. Please.
Yds ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:59:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/eyebleach and /r/humansbeingbros
Big_Porky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't act like your not gonna close reddit then open Instagram or Facebook 5 minutes later.
AfriQ ยท 1264 points ยท Posted at 15:37:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck man. Sorry that you have to deal with this shit . Hope you take time for yourself to cleanse yourself after swimming with the filth out there. Thank you for your service and take care .
idkfams ยท 933 points ยท Posted at 15:44:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I appreciate it. I took the day off today to reflect. So I'm taking the GF to the zoo.
CaseNightmareGreen ยท 824 points ยท Posted at 16:03:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good man. Go watch the otters. Everything is a bit better with otters.
idkfams ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 16:10:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny you say, I love otters. As tough as I'd like to think I am animals always put me in a good place.
elbenji ยท 287 points ยท Posted at 16:11:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no one can say no to frollicking otters.
tymboturtle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:54:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cuddle Party!"
-Otters from Finding Dory
RiverWyvern ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep videos on my phone of cute wild and zoo otters just to look back on them when I'm feeling down.
CaseNightmareGreen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no conflict between being tough and liking otters. Or giant anteaters, or baby elephants, or whatever puts you in the good place :)
dyopopoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:00:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if i were rich , and not from a third world country, i'd send you an otter.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, thanks.
chuzachu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem like a good cop. Please don't quit and please don't turn into a bad cop. Reddit needs you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be worried if you didn't
ikahjalmr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes real strength to endure hardship and retain your humanity. The fact that you can do what you do and still maintain a soft side is true toughness
mk4_wagon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Otters are awesome, but for me I have to add penguins too. That's all I need to see at zoo to make me happy.
Insomniacrobat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: Did you know otters rape baby seals to death and keep their corpse and continue to rape it for up to a week after they've killed it?
I guess it's not such a fun fact...
MaxDG1013 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you really shouldn't have told him. Not kidding. That's just something we should have kept to ourselves here.
LostprophetFLCL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Otters have been known to rape other critters to death just FYI.
DumbBrat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:22:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're not serious, cause otters are known to rape baby seals. Literally one of the worst animals to recommend in this situation.
LOSS35 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:03:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit man stop bringing your otter rape fantasies into our happy place.
CaseNightmareGreen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sea otters, maybe. River otters are innocence and light.
the_chadow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The leading cause of otter death is in-species sexual violence. I wish I was joking. Otters are fucking weird.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you like otters, please do not watch Ring of bright water. That film messed me up.
10S_NE1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We read that book in elementary school. Broke my heart.
RamenJunkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Penguins.
ChrisRunsTheWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/OtterGifs
Lonely_Crouton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
manatees or sea turtles yo
Christ_on_a_Crakker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the otter at our zoo spends most of his time swimming on his back and jerking off.
mhpr262 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:15:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to tell you, but in the wild otters are notorious for raping baby seals to death, and continuing to fuck their corpses for many days. Male otters also often kill female otters during the mating act, by drowning them (not "intentionally", I assume)
AfriQ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:01:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great to hear it! Besides itโs always easier to look after others when you look after yourself . Enjoy the zoo!
ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the zoo has red pandas for you to watch cuz the are the cutest animals ever. Thanks for your service too. That poor poor mama and baby.
nickthedick69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i hope you have someone to talk to about the shit you see out there. It gets to you man. And you gotta have someone you trust on the outside to let it all out.
Insomniacrobat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Girlfriends don't belong in zoos!
Throwaway5325461 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister is a dispatcher. I'm so glad they allow a day to recoup after events like that. No way you could keep sane otherwise.
ALONE_ON_THE_OCEAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be a good job for someone with Aspergers or a condition where they truly can't feel damaged in any way. If someone could just clinically detach themselves and meticulously go through evidence, that would be close to ideal in a horrible situation.
BelCifer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aspergers here, i'm pretty sure i can feel damaged in all the possible ways. That being said, i wish i could help the fuck out of these childs and their families
jackalsclaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:20 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean Psychopathy. This is plot to dexter.
BelCifer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:12 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just gave me an amazing idea
ALONE_ON_THE_OCEAN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That came out wrong, wow. Forgive me. I am sure you live a rich, emotional life. Reading my comment back, it comes across as completely idiotic. I wrote it in a hurry this morning. Let me try to be more clear.
There are many doctors that have Aspergers, partially because of their ability to separate their emotional life from the task at hand. This in no way implies that a doctor with Aspergers is a fucking robot. On the contrary, I imagine someone like yourself with Aspergers has a rich emotional life and occasionally finds it difficult to emotionally connect with some people who seem to feel/do things at a different pace than feels right for you. What I'm trying to get at is 1) I am so, so sorry for how my comment reads. I assure you that I don't think those with Aspergers are somehow incapable of feeling emotion or less human or some godawful thing and 2) This aside, some people with Aspergers really excel in some areas. Perhaps one of these areas might be forensics, etc. where they might analyze a video of child abuse and be able to see things that someone else couldn't if they were capable of emotional detachment
I seriously feel shitty for how my comment came across.
Sorry, man/woman.
BelCifer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, fuck you too
timeforanewacc0unt ยท 739 points ยท Posted at 16:02:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a father of a 2 year old girl. This makes me physically ill. What kind of monster takes advantage of a toddler?
Kamala_Metamorph ยท 294 points ยท Posted at 17:15:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are a parent, see these tips on how to safeguard your child starting from toddlerhood. My best friend was once that 2 year old, and all of their children know how to talk about their genitalia accurately and who is allowed to do what.
http://www.parenting.com/article/tips-child-sex-abuse-prevention
https://childmind.org/article/10-ways-to-teach-your-child-the-skills-to-prevent-sexual-abuse/
basementdiplomat ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 18:36:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another big one: believe them when they trust you enough to disclose!!
diamondflaw ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:32:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's great that it helps with this, and also it's super useful if they need to describe any discomfort at the doctor's office or teaching basic personal hygiene too. A kid who knows her butt from her vagina is going to have it easier than one who calls both "Bum bum".
dirtywordplay90 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:18:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the mother of an infant, and a survivor of sexual abuse myself, thank you for these resources.
Solensia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:29:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It saddens me that this needs to be a thing.
JoseElEntrenador ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:02:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TwizzlerKing ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:12:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that guy with all the cp was shifty. Damn I wish I had read this comment earlier!
JoseElEntrenador ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:33:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know lol.
The other ones are pretty sensible and I might've missed them ("prefers hanging out with kids over people their age", "Asks adult partners to dress or act like a child or teen during sexual activity") and then the looks at cp one lol as if it wasn't obvious.
crazyprsn ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Father of two kids here. I really don't want this to be true. I want the kid to be mistaken, or the wife to be lying, or something. Fuck, my brain wants to deny this, but I know that some people do fucked up things.
BigbooTho ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 17:04:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question, I wonder if that's why so many rape victims get a slew of shit from randos. They don't want it to be true.
jups2709 ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 17:10:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very common for people close to the victim to downplay or not believe the victim about assault because they don't want it to be true. I'mโ not sure if random people necessarily have a similar reaction but it's possible.
IM_NOT_CIA ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:26:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the opinion of random people, try to imagine coming across a statement like this. A single line from your child's mouth which changes everything. forever. No wonder the initial reaction is denial.
killermojo ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:17:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and that denial can be a hugely negative force too. It's a big part of victim shaming, of isolating and dissociating with those who have been hurt. It's done to protect a person's perspective who is unprepared to merely accept the fact that bad shit happens. Nevermind someone has been really damaged and needs help, the fact that it doesn't align with how we might want to see the world drives some people to deny. Fucking awful.
I feel like the most effective way to get past that kind of denial is to realize the world didn't change- your perspective of it was wrong. The actions you take after having that perspective changed is what separates the good from the bad.
The more people understand the power of perspective and how ignorance can be just as bad as compliance, the quicker we help those in need heal and persecute those who are truly evil. Until then we'll be living in the fantasy that others are desperate to propagate.
IWantAGrapeInMyMouth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most effective thing would be for people to take action and not deny it. Unfortunately cognitive dissonance is a much more powerful force than reason.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we should just accept that the person uttering the line is correct and not weigh the possibility of denial? This sounds worse than having a force of denial.
Well... the way I see it is that the media needs to keep their heads out of these cases until a verdict is reached and people's perspectives do not need to be made until facts are established.
If a person is falsely accused? He/she can become ostracized and lose everything despite doing nothing. In the reverse, a person is permanently damaged.
By allowing every person to openly say that someone did something to them without any repercussion would result in many lives being ruined, while the reverse would allow crime to fester and lives to be damaged. It's a tricky game to play.
Eyedeafan88 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To this day my parents try to downplay the effect of the sexual abuse I experienced.
basementdiplomat ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:31:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm: was 10 when I finally had the courage to tell my mother about what had happened. She didn't believe me so I kept quiet about it. Five years later I couldn't keep it to myself much longer and it came out again in an argument one day then she kicked me out. Homeless at fifteen years old - wahoo! They divorced about 7 years later (he's in jail now) when it became apparent that the same thing had happened to both of my sisters. Of course, no one in her social circle knew, he just never attended any occasion with her because he was "at home sick."
commontabby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has your mother since apologized to you?
basementdiplomat ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:09:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will say however that when my older sister (the last of us three to disclose) came out and told our mother about it - after years of calling me a liar, herself - she made this whole big deal about how betrayed etc she was and that she'd really appreciate "a hug right now".
Really? You'd like a hug? I would like my childhood and teenage years back. Oh, and parents who aren't pedophilic sickos or enablers of them. They had the nerve to take an intervention order out on ME when I first was kicked out saying bullshit like they were afraid that I was a threat to my younger siblings and that I'd "been angry with [my father] for years and that they didn't know why".
Ridiculous situation. I didn't realise how messed up it was for years afterwards.
commontabby ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:03:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely infuriating. I hope that she feels fucking terrible and is just too ashamed to say it, but maybe that'd be too much justice to hope for in this world. I hope you have better people around you now and that you can have a happy life
basementdiplomat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:12:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, friend. I am! As they say, living well is the best revenge. I'm happily engaged and life is good :-)
basementdiplomat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a preposterous question. Of course not!! :-P
Lionel-Richie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:13:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And by the same token, if they know the rapist they definitely don't want it to be true because they don't want a friend to be capable of doing something like this.
Had this happen where someone I knew very well was assaulted by a friend and all of the victim's friends turned against her and assumed she was making it up and trying to slander the guy, despite the medical examinations she had and whatnot.
jups2709 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:58:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a similar experience. My biological father sexually abused my older sister (his stepdaughter) when she was 7. This all came out when my sister was an adult but I immediately believed her, no questions. I worshiped that man but once she told.me what happened I was done with him. His side of the family, however, didn't believe my sister at all. I ended up never speaking to a lot of my family again because I chose to believe her instead of the known liar. So yeah what you said is very true. People don't want to believe they could know someone capable of something horrible.
Readnoevil ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:47:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not always the case. I'm from India. The apartments I stay recently had a incident of sexual assault. So there's this boss who decided to host a party and had invited this woman who is about 24 and a married man about the age of 40 who both work under him . This guy took charge of mixing the drinks and apparently spiked it and knocking the fuck out of everyone at the party. He dropped his wife back home and went back to the boss's house where this female was passed out in one of the bedrooms. Next morning she was found in a towel with no clothing. She clearly remembers being assaulted sexually and had the full support of her friends and family to take legal action against that asshole. The guy didn't even deny what he did and said it was mutual. His wife supported him claiming he couldn't do such a thing. The woman who was assaulted was too scared to press charges and dropped the issue. The boss who hosted , the guy and the girl involved were asked to vacate. This fucker was also caught for having an underage girl as a maid in his house. And he is now free without any consequences and is probably searching for the next victim. Such is life. It sucks.
The_Last_Unicorn_ ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:26:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the "Just World hypothesis." I've been sexually assaulted and even my very best friends hit me with the, "What were you wearing? You must have done something to encourage him!"
I was 19, it was the middle of the day, and a middle aged man who reeked of whiskey literally just walked by, grabbed me, and dragged me down the sidewalk and started stuffing me in his car. There was a little more to it but the last time I gave detail, I got a bunch of messages from guys telling me how hot it was reading about my sexual assault. Hence a new account.
But I just can't conceive of hearing that and thinking, "It was probably what she was wearing!"
So why on earth would people who cared about me immediately ask that?
Because it's reassuring to believe that bad things are preventable if you just follow a strict set of rules, or that bad things only happen to bad people.
BigbooTho ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:35:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You did nothing to deserve any of that. I can't express how sorry I am. And I'm sorry you were assaulted by internet freaks.
The_Last_Unicorn_ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:37:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I even went back in and added "it was the middle of the day" because previously people have asked if I was out at like 2 am. You're an internet stranger and I want to make it clear to you that I didn't deserve it, even though of course even being out at 2 am, I wouldn't deserve it.
This shit is hardwired.
crazyprsn ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:24:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I believe so. I think it's a form of societal denial so that we can defend ourselves against some of the disgustingly harsh and traumatizing realities of human existence. We sublimate it to other areas like violent video games, pornography, action movies, etc so that we can have it in a sugar coated pill form that makes it easier to swallow these things we all know exist in the primal areas of our brains.
You can even see it in some of the comments here - "this makes me physically ill" especially in the comment I replied to. It makes that commenter (and myself) physically ill because it is a traumatic story and most of us have empathy that causes us to also feel a portion of that trauma. What do people do naturally when we experience trauma? Mentally we dissociate and throw up psychological defenses to try and remove it from ourselves the best we can because that's how we protect our sanity. That's how we cope.
That's all okay, too. Without that we'd all be bashing our heads into walls. The trick is this - we need to question ourselves and why we want to say certain things, like "I bet she's lying." Why? Why do we want to say that? Sure, she could be and that'd be awful, but obviously the most awful situation is the one we're defending against - which is the one that results in the child being molested.
Sorry for the long comment. I'm an LPC so it's easy to get me rolling on this.
In_The_News ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:25:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't just that they "don't want it to be true" but it also has to do with wanting to believe that they can stop bad things from happening to themselves.
If the victim did something identifiably "wrong," then you can prevent yourself from becoming a victim of a horrible crime by not doing That Thing. It doesn't actually work that way, but many parents - and people in general - want to protect kids and young women from being attacked.
That feeling of helplessness is something we all desperately want to avoid. By finding fault with the victim, we "know better" and "know" how not to become victims ourselves, or what advice to give others who should also do or not do specific Things to not become victims.
KnightRider1987 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:03:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've known multiple men who say they actively do not want to believe rape happens at all and that statistically it is likely they have friends who have engaged in the act of sexually assisting another person. So yeah, it's probably part of it.
baseballspaceball ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, especially if the rapist is an otherwise upstanding citizen. It's cognitive dissonance.
Manning119 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:10:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a toxic and slut-shaming culture of not believing women who claim to have been raped.
Lionel-Richie ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:14:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. People grapple on to the very small percentage of false rapes and just assume that every girl is lying as their default stance and it's disgusting. Rape victims (women and men) have a hard enough time getting justice or being believed as is...but if you ever see a news article about it happening there are hundreds and hundreds of people just slut shaming them and giving them death threats, etc.
deceasedhusband ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:59:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The just world fallacy is a really strong force. People never want to think that something so heinous could happen to them. It must be something the victim did that got them raped. Something I could avoid doing and thus keep myself safe. Admitting that sometimes really fucked up shit happens to good smart intelligent people who do everything right is hard to swallow.
halfadash6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what it is, for that and for every other complaint most victims and minorities have. It's easier for people to tell themselves those people are lying or exaggerating than to accept that terrible things like that happen.
OctopusSandwitch ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:23:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was three when I was first assulted. I don't know if the wife was lying, but I honestly doubt it. This sadly happens far too often, and when you're that young, you don't know what's going on enough to communicate it to get help. In my case, I also blocked it out until it was triggered, in my late teens. I still don't remember much, though apparently Ive disassociated and given very flat, emotionless descriptions of other time it's happened.
comfortable_madness ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happened to me as well. For nearly ten years actually. When it stopped (abuser moved away), I blocked it out so thoroughly that I can't remember even a lot of good things that happened in my childhood. My parents will say, "You remember that time...". Nope. I don't.
My trigger happened in my early 20's. It's not that I ever forgot that it happened, but I had so many walls and blocks up that it sat in the back of my mind without hurting or without me remembering the details. Then the trigger happened and all the bad came rushing forward. The memories were vivid, so vivid you could feel them.
I did not deal with it very well on my own. I started drinking heavy, cutting, all sorts of out out of control self destructive behavior (except sex - that... I couldn't do that). I never told my parents, but I got help from a therapist thanks to the urging of my friends.
But whenever I've mentioned to people about the blocking things out so completely for years, I've been called a liar. A lot of people really don't believe you can experience something so traumatic that you actually can throw up mental barriers and blocks because it hurts too much to remember and relive.
Also, I hate that the word "trigger" in this context has been perverted the way it has. Actual triggers unleashing actual pain exist.
lemon_fizzy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:02:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not a liar.
OctopusSandwitch ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:06:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all I really had was the first time as a vague memory of hiding from him and being afraid, and feeling sick whenever he would play around with the other kids. I've also dealt with all the symptoms of PTSD for pretty much my whole life, so luckily for me things didn't get worse when I remembered snippets of what happened. I still don't remember much, and I don't think I want to. I developed a binge eating disorder as a kid, and only started escaping the grip of that... Three years ago?
If it makes you feel any better, this random stranger on the internet believes both you and in you. :c. Lots of hugs if you like those.
And my partner is a therapist, and the use of the word "triggered" the way trolls and whiny children use it is a huge part cause of his. He was physically abused and has PTSD from how bad his earlier childhood was, and it's like no, I'm not triggered, and you can tell my the fact I'm here and replying to you and not disassociated in the corner wondering who the person looking at me through the mirror is. :/
amyslays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also have PTSD from what happened to me as a child. It didn't dawn on me until I got a bit older what was happening. I am sorry you went through that. And thank you for sharing.
OctopusSandwitch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:49:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, one of the things I noticed is all of us feel very alone. But we're not. There are so many who have, not the same experiences, but the same pain, the same hurt, the same loss of self that comes from being violated in such a way. But we are alive, we're making it, and we need to know we all are here. So I share, when I can. If it can help one person, then it's worth the time.
Getting my diagnosis was honestly one of the best thing I could have done. I felt less guilty for taking my meds, I felt less broken; something WAS wrong. To feel like I was lesser for feeling the way I was would be like being mad I couldn't stand on a leg someone ran over with a car.
I hope you've been able to get at least started on your healing. It can be one of the hardest things to start addressing, but you can do it :)
Internet hugs for you friend, if you like those.
amyslays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. I mean I was 7 at the time, didn't dawn on me until my pre teen years what was really going on. It's still there cause it won't just disappear but I had done counseling as a child and was diagnosed A.D.D. and with depression. I still have bouts of depression but I have generalized anxiety disorder on top of PTSD and it (anxiety)has been getting worse but at a slow rate. So I've already healed, but its still an awful memory. I have a degree in psychology and sociology now. I find psych quite interesting and it helped me to study it.
Thanks for the internet hug! (:
crazyprsn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:33:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. It' happens far too often, even if it happened to one child in the entire world - only one - it would be one too many.
From one human to another, I'm sorry that happened. If you're not already, I would encourage finding a professional to talk to. They may be able to help you sort these things out. I've found that they can help loosen some knots in places we didn't know were there.
OctopusSandwitch ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:46:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, and you're right. I've been seeing a therpist who specializes in child abuse for years, and she's worked wonders for my mental state. A good therapist you click with is worth their weight in gold, honestly. I have a good support network, because sadly almost the entirety of my partner's family, and my own mother, have gone through sexual assult as well. And frankly, I couldn't let him win. I failed out of school the first time it all came to light, and I refuse to let him destroy this part of me too. I'm now in school in a medical field, so I can be of help to others when they need someone.
And, well, he's dying of pancreatic cancer. His wife, who contributed to my PTSD by saying it was my fault, is completely disabled and partially paralyzed after a car accident, so he's spending the ending of his life caring for someone permanently out her mind on painkillers while in pain and suffering himself. Karma happens. Sometimes it takes longer than a mother with a knife, but it happens. :)
TheMogMiner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:02:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 32. My mom (who I still keep in contact with, though she lives a country away) and I both suspect that I might have been assaulted as a kid, possibly by a babysitter, for reasons that I don't want to get into publicly. For what it's worth, I had a pretty traumatic childhood to begin with, it wasn't until I was 13 that I was finally diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum, and until that point my mom and I were constantly locked in a legal battle against a school district that wanted nothing more than to stick me in Sped classes due to issues with outbursts.
The problem is, my memory of my childhood is like Swiss cheese. I can remember various random things with crystal clarity, yet I can't for the life of me remember other things, and in particular I have zero memory of any kind of assault, just lingering symptoms that as an aggregate point to it having occurred.
So, since you're seeing a therapist, maybe you can enlighten me: Exactly what good could a therapist do if I can't even remember certain traumas that occurred? I've battled autism, depression, alcoholism, and an explosive temper (despite being an outwardly friendly and gregarious guy 99.9% of the time) for years, yet I don't bother seeing a therapist because I'm not sure what help they could give me. Compounding it is my suspicion that a therapist in Sweden wouldn't be able to put himself or herself in the mindset of an American. There's so much nuance to growing up in Country A that I wouldn't expect a therapist from Country B to be of much use.
What do?
Edited to add: I don't Reddit too much, I mostly just lurk, so if you intend to send me a PM, do so on Twitter or Telegram instead (I have the same username).
crazyprsn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:38:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the person you asked, but I have a couple points to toss your way.
a competent therapist will be aware of social and cultural difference, and attempt to integrate those into treatment
much of therapy can span across cultural lines (especially western cultures)
Sweden is to counseling psychology what silicon valley is to technology
a therapist can help address the uncertainties you have about your memories and explore to see if there's anything that could be processed to improve your life. If not, then you're not obligated to continue treatment.
It might be beneficial to try despite your concerns. Therapists are held to ethical standards to help and not harm.
OctopusSandwitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have twitter or telegram, so may I ask if you're okay with me answering publicly then?
TheMogMiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel free.
crazyprsn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing. There is good in the world, and that is you. You're a new beginning, and that can make a mountain of difference from your family to the whole world. Live that good life :)
Madame_Kitsune98 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:47:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why people don't believe rape victims. He's a "nice guy", and you're just an opportunistic slut taking advantage of him.
No. He's not.
No, I wasn't.
Yes, it was rape. And no, I don't have to justify what I was wearing, where we were, or when I said no. I will tell you that it was getting a ride home from church youth group, I was wearing jeans, a t-shirt from my high school, and a sweatshirt from same high school, and as soon as he tried to kiss me I said no. And then it got worse, and he was a foot taller, and about 100 pounds heavier than me.
So no, he's not a nice guy, I wasn't his first victim, and probably wasn't his last, but who were they supposed to believe, the upstanding youth group leader or the teenage girl, hysterically sobbing, while her parents comforted her?
TerrorAlpaca ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the same kind of person that thinks the baby lying on the changing station with her diapers is trying to seduce him. makes me physically ill that there are people like that.
RagingFuckalot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of monster? The average person. 2 is also the age I was when my father let a friend of his molest me. These 'monsters' are not monsters, they're blended in, average people.
nirvroxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. My kid is about to turn 2. I would do anything in the world to keep her safe. The thought of her own father, the man that is supposed to be her protector doing this just boggles my mind.
Dalze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was my reaction as well, being a father of a 4 year old. The urges to take matters into my own hands was ridiculous and I seriously felt broken hearted....at that point, that thing (the father) can no longer be consider a human being.
TammyK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a parent and I feel like I'm going to puke after reading that too ): that poor little girl and mother
JustBreatheBelieve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophiles. They are mentally deficient. Narcissistic and sociopathic.
BronzeCauseBadTeams ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:53:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dude also has a wife he could be fucking instrad!wtf is wrong with him!
micls ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:13:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People don't rape kids because of lack of options with adults. Having a wife is irrevant to it really
BronzeCauseBadTeams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying that it's fucked up as fuck
Astilaroth ยท 762 points ยท Posted at 15:26:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ughhh. Got a kid about that age. I work with kids ... can't even begin to imagine.
What do you guys do in a sutuation like that? Ultimately it's her word against his probably?
Did she have her kid with her at that time? Is it kidnapping if she would have stood there with her kid refusing to let the dad anywhere near it?
Ugghhh. Sorry man. What a job you have. Do you get any kind of counselling to deal with stuff like this?
idkfams ยท 1177 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Case gets transferred to special victims. I'm in domestic violence. Kid gets interviewed on camera so does dad. He gets charged. If he fesses up then smooth sailing from there if he denies then he's going to get charged and the courts decide. Everyone gets their day in court. Mom was with kid and faked like she was taking her to daddy's house so she can get more out of the kid and the kid went ballistic. You know, like when they don't want to eat something but 10 times worse. And no it's not kidnapping you have the right to protect the interest of you and your family and any other human that's in immediate danger. Yeah we get offered to take time off and self care all the time. But shit like that never really leaves you.
cellists_wet_dream ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 16:03:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it even gets that far. When you have a young, young child, unless there is hard evidence, many cases don't even get to prosecution. It's a fucked up system.
Edit: my comment posted like twenty times. Sorry.
Also, prosecution rates for child sex crimes are under 5% of all reported. You know those stories of women who make up awful shit to ruin someone's life? Yeah, those are extremely rare. But the stigma negatively affects those who actually have legitimate allegations. A great deal of abuse can occur without any physical evidence.
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Roughcaster ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much every organization who works in sex crimes has gone on record saying otherwise, but you're free to form your opinions.
cellists_wet_dream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I think" doesn't go very far against facts.
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cellists_wet_dream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can easily check facts. I don't need to do your legwork for you. If you live your life thinking that your understanding of the facts is inherently right no matter what, you're not going to get very far.
Astilaroth ยท 540 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for doing your job. I know cops get a lot of crap but damn, you do so much good.
idkfams ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 15:43:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, really appreciate it.
Idobro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:10:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm beginning my journey as a teacher now, thanks for helping those who can't help themselves. I can't imagine the toll it can take on a person but I'm glad there is people out there doing the good fight.
Dokkanbitches ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:05:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also appreciate you doing your job.
idkfams ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get on the love train? Thank you! because most of us couldn't do it.
McKees37_Car_Care ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:11:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously take time to self care. I know most leo's want to be tough, but a reset or a break can do a lot of good. My dad was a federal agent and some of the stories he's told me will always stick with me.
sooondae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish the best for you. Please take care.
antabr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely appreciate everything you do and I hope all of the other cops who have to deal with this understand that.
ProblemPie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nice to see this sentiment on reddit. The anti-cop train is usually pretty effective here.
Don't get me wrong, there are shitty cops. Which most cops will probably agree with wholeheartedly. But I think that there are more good cops than bad cops, and that most people get into the job to help people, not to hurt them.
superbv1llain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also important to remember these are different situations. I'd be completely shocked if even a corrupt police officer who strangles innocent adults wouldn't help a child.
Astilaroth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got in a scary situation once and called the cops. I mean, I live somewhere where it's rare to be in scary situations and where it's normal to call the cops when you are in one. I'm lucky.
I also have a penpal who is a US prisoner, in for gang related murder. That's a whole different situation, how he grew up and what 'scary' and 'cops' meant there.
We're all people in the end ya know? We all try.
Xpolg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those who blame have completely forgotten why we have police in the first place
drot525 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. More time policing this shit and the harder to catch real crime and less time doing bullshit ticketing and low hanging fruit pot busts just to prove cops are doing "something." I don't care if ya'll sit around the station like firefighters, that when the real crime goes down ya'll are on it like a three alarmer. Fill the prisons with the assholes who truly deserve to be there; the violent and the thieves, including and especially fraudsters.
Wafer4 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:54:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work with the victims. The amount of times the people can be successfully charged is ridiculously small. If he pleas not guilty, the kid will be lucky if she isn't forced into doing visitation with him. So many kids are forced to visit. :( I wish I had more faith in our legal system. I'm not anti-cop by any means - most are working their asses off trying to do the right thing - but I understand the anger behind black lives matter protesters. The legal system fails too often.
1millionppm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That poor woman :( I hope all the best to the victims and that poor little girl...
Slade_Riprock ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:12:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worked in a hospital not a dr/nurse... Firefighter killed on duty. I'm on call. 10 yr old daughter scream-crying over her dad's bloody body "I want my daddy, someone bring back my daddy" .... Yeah certain things never ever leave your brain
KarkatTheVantas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even imagine what the poor folks in Special Victims have to deal with. I couldn't do it. I'd end up crying myself to sleep every night. That shit is fucking disturbing.
flee_market ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure you're talking to a grief counselor or similar. Therapy isn't just for "fucked up people", it's for people who witness fucked up things.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:22:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry that happened to you and your son. It's awful when there isn't a right answer. Too many victims go without justice. But sometimes the accused is actually the victim. How do we know in these situations? It's so fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you are moving on. You are clearly the bigger person doing what's best for your child, including allowing his mom to remain in his life.
If there were consequences to lying like that it would certainly help. And the consequences should be just as serious as the consequences are for whatever crime you're false accusing someone else of. It's terrible.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:46:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes in custody battles the money should definitely not play a roll.
I guess maybe not equal, but it depends on the crime. It has to be enough to discourage false accusations. But then again it also scares victims from coming forward. What if everyone thinks they are lying when they actually are the victim? People just suck.
Ptyrell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was my understanding that you couldn't really get much out of a forensic interview with anyone younger than three. And even then I think they have to be able to testify on the stand. So not sure what would happen in a case like this...
Cherish_Dipp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's your job to deal with such things, but thank you. It can't be easy and I hope you're okay
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any time that you are taking your own child anywhere, it's not kidnapping.
Assuming you have custody.
edit: sorry if that came across as nitpicking or callous. Thanks for doing what you do.
_Unicornetto_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a good soul. Thank you for giving enough of yourself to make a difference. I hope your day at the Zoo ends with ice cream and beer.
PM_ME_BUTT_STUFFING ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for what you do. Seriously. It takes special kind of person to deal with that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn dude. There's a lot of jobs out there I'm glad I'm not the one doing. Respect to you.
LostprophetFLCL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I could never do this kind of work. I would end up being a serial killer....
abitweiser34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work with at risk youth and the stuff they've been thru breaks my heart. I feel ya. But our jobs someone's gotta do it. And pls always remember it's helping.
KarkatTheVantas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:45 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a formerly at risk youth, thank you.
abitweiser34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:41 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw you're welcome. And I hope you are doing awesome:)
JustBreatheBelieve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially for the victims.
NerdyMomToBe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god I remember the camera interview I had to do. They had these anatomically correct stuffed dolls and I had to do with them what my neighbor did to me on camera. I remember very little else besides the color of the carpet in the room, how it was dark and only I was lit, and the dolls were soft and stuffed.
BulletBilll ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 15:38:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the horrifying reality of it. Shit like that could be happening anywhere and you'd never know it...
idkfams ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:44:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes it hard to go to sleep easy knowing the shit that's going on out there.
SorryToSay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on the front lines putting a stop to this and you're not the ones entitled to sleep easy then something is wrong =\ I wish your knowledge of doing good could let you rest. Sorry Fran
contradicts_herself ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:01:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of young kids experiencing sexual abuse are unable to communicate what's happening to them until they get to kindergarten or preschool and learn about appropriate touching. Parents need to have that talk with their kids much earlier than that. If you wait until the kid acts out and causes you to ask direct questions, you'll probably have waited quite a while.
dyopopoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i get depressed thinking that right this instant, someone is being taken advantage of. and the worst part is, they don't understand what's happening..
BulletBilll ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a story of someone who didn't know they had been sexually abused by their father until they learned about it in sex ed.
basementdiplomat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know about what incest was until I came across it in a teen mag around age 15. I was shocked at the idea that a parent could be a "trusted adult".
ChemicalCalypso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's true. Seemed to happen relatively frequently when I was in the military. Every once in a while someone would disappear from the workforce. People start to notice after a few days.
"Where's X? Been a few days."
"Word on the street, they caught him with a shitload of kiddie porn."
"what the FUCK man! doesn't that dude have a few kids!?!?"
"Yup."
I recall a few 'to catch a predator' type situations too. Guys driving across the state to fuck 13 year olds they met online. Thank God for vigilant parents.
flandall ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked in Children and Family Services. Heard too many stories like that. That mother cared enough to defend her daughter. What drove me out was the mother that blamed her 13 year old daughter. Mom kept the whacked out scumbag that did it and threw the 13 year old out of the home.
jake354k12 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:04:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happened? I hope that the mother and father in this case both slipped on a staircase with a landmine at the bottom.
threep03k64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had a similar situation back when I volunteered for an organisation that gives advice on peoples rights. Mother cones in and says her daughter accused her stepfather of sexual abuse. I'm sitting there thinking holy shit go to the police.
Turns out the abuse happened over 15 years ago, and the daughter as an adult went to the police, there was a trial, and the stepfather was jailed.
And the mother wanted to know if it could be appealed on the basis that social services had never found evidence of abuse when it was going on.
The lack of knowledge of how appeals work would have been depressing enough without a mother siding with a man convicted of abusing her daughter.
redandbluenights ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:18:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years in law enforcement here. As a female deputy, I feel like I had every sexual assault or child abuse call that came out during my career. Please take care of yourself, that shit takes a toll and there's very little actual support for LEOs in dealing with it. I'm glad you took a day off to go to the zoo,
idkfams ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your service.
1millionppm ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:02:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus... I wish there was some way I could just protect all these kids from these monsters :( They're so young, it hurts :(
InvaderDem ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:00:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I rarely develop a look of disgust from reading comments, but this one did it. People take for granted the type of shit they don't have to be subjected to - police, firefighters, hospitals, etc. see/hear a lot of shit - and the worse thing of all is that in a lot of cases, you need to maintain a composure of neutrality and professionalism.
I simply cannot fathom how anyone could do that to a two year old.
Rawflax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone did it to him when he was about that young, most likely. And the damage is done - most likely this little girl, when she grows up, will be attracted to men like her father. It's likely the mother in this case suffered trauma as well. This stuff rarely happens in a vacuum. Healthy people don't molest kids.
EpicTacoHS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would she be attracted to men like his father? At 2 years old does the Brain really work like that?? How does that even work? The father will be arrested and her mother is basically going to paint him as the most despicable human being imaginable... why would she be attracted to people like him after that?
This is fucked up wtf this whole thing is beyond my comprehension... Id have an easier time understanding if suddenly the zombie apocalypse happened
Rawflax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty well-documented by smart & more educated than myself, but basically trauma that happens at a very early age triggers a switch. Babies and small children are like sponges; what happens to them at that age vastly matters. This did permanent damage to this poor girl.
ubergooner ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:02:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all thimgs the internet has desensitized me on, this is one I cant handle. It makes my blood boil when people take commit sick acts like this. To a point I don't care if it happened to you as a child and you're trauma response is to do it to others, you shoudl be shot.
Theres hardly anything more psychologically detrimental to a child than sexual abuse. The trauma it can cause and after math piled into one is something I could never wish on anyone
idkfams ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed 100%.
dromton ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:14:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, well that's enough internet for today. I'll see you all tomorrow. Maybe.
Lizzymbr92 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for believing her. As a victim of sexual assault as an adult and molestation as a small child, so many people don't report because of the fear of not being believed. I know there are good cops, because I have encountered them. I also know that there are bad cops, because I have encountered them. The problem I have always had when deciding whether or not to report, was that I knew it was going to be a total roll of the dice as to whether I got a good cop or a bad cop. I can think of probably ten other women and men I know who are the victims of child molestation, attempted rape, rape, and sexual assault. Of all those people I know, only the attempted rape by a stranger was reported. It was caught on camera at a bus station. I know he attempted it at least twice again in my city and they never caught him. It was only followed up on once. It's really disheartening, I think its important that people in law enforcement make the process less traumatizing for the victims and that more victim services be offered.
ShaynePC ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:24:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to thank you for what you do. This stuff just breaks my heart. I'm a senior in college and I'm realizing that as much as this kind of thing destroys me I want to go into law enforcement or a similar area so I can do something to protect kids. They are the most innocent and defenseless; they deserve to be happy and healthy. IDK where I'll end up but if I can help them the way you do it will be something.
This probably seems silly to you, this being reddit and all, but I want you to know I'll be praying for you to and your situation.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much.
SoWhatComesNext ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:41:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck. That's guy needs to be thrown from a roof, live and be thrown off a roof again.
sljepi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Annnd that is enough of the internet for this week. I cant and don't even want to think about this scenario. Thank you for what you do.
CurryMustard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:41:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking christ that's atrocious. What the fuck is wrong with people.
143cookiedough ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:00:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a therapist who has spent a large portion of my career working with child sexual assault victims I want you to know you have the harder job.
I have had very in depth conversations with these children and their parents, but nothing is as hard as the rare moments when current abuse is disclosed.
It's raw and gut-wrenching. As a therapist we have immense training around self care and how to protect ourselves mentally from all that we hear. But in those fresh moments, you are literally being vicariously traumatized through their stories. It's a serious experience a something that we take very seriously in the therapy world.
I wish law enforcement was offered this same courtesy and training. And know it's complicated, and I know they are getting better wit putting some stuff in place here and there. But these experiences are more than disturbing, they are very serious and deserve to be treated as such.
Long story short, thank you for doing what you do and thank you for feeling that mothers pain.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
sosa_like_sammy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Things like this is what makes me wish for a real life Dexter.
Dilettante ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the worst betrayal. Your own husband, your own father, to a defenseless child. God.
Gonna go home and hug my daughter.
King_Rhymer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:33:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even touch this one. I've been making jokes here on comments but this is fucked. It was even hard to read. I just imagine the mother saying something like "where did you learn that silly" and trying to play it off, and just going into shot as the kid explains. Damn
tarlton ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who's a crimes-against-children detective. That's all he does, every day. I honestly don't know how he stays sane.
liquidpig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm done with Reddit for the day.
Qinistral ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck. I wish I didn't even read that.
Coos-Coos ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had a girlfriend when I was 14 confess to me about her 21 year old cousin who had been raping her repeatedly for over a year. She told me every detail of how she had basically been groomed and taught that it was okay, up to the worst instances of violence. I will never be the same. I just wanted to be there for her to have someone to talk to about it, but now I'm probably fucked up for life. Especially when you hear that from someone you care about, that shit fucks with you man.
idkfams ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had an ex do the same all I could do is be there for her. Her fucking uncle man.
EarthboundBetty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. I'm literally trying not to cry over here.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people like that even exist? And to your own daughter? What kind of fucking sicko does shit like this?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have a relative who files stuff like this in corrections. It can be difficult sometimes for them to read because this happens more often than we think
sanzo2402 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a sister who has been trying to have a baby for 7 years now. She has bordered depression because of this, went through intense inferiority complex phases and pretty much been unhappy with herself for years because of this. Her husband is even worse. They try to cheer each other up but it's been hard and even though I don't live with them, I can see and feel it everytime I'm with them. When I read stories like this, I don't understand how such monsters were blessed with a baby and people like my sister who would live and die for their child are not. It's so unfair.
zombiemakemelol ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm all for due process and don't think police should be able to do whatever they want, but fuck, this type of thing makes me wish for the "bad cop" shit you see in movies.
You know, he "fell down the stairs" on the way to the interrogation room kind of thing.
idkfams ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:07:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happens if that makes you feel better lol. Oh boy, it does.
elbenji ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That kinda does make me feel better? Like get their due process but, Dirty Harry just a bit
pm_me_n0Od ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:06:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cops nothing, I've heard fellow inmates take a low view of child molesters...
zombiemakemelol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh thank god, I feel a lot better. I mean, if there is any doubt to a person's guilt or innocence I'd be less happy about that. But some of these cases, everyone knows this fuck is guilty.
CurryMustard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with this kind of thing is you never know when the wife is just trying to get rid of the husband, so they have a motivation to lie to the police. Not saying this is the case here but this is the problem with the whole "fell down the stairs on the way to the interrogation room" that you're talking about. Take the law into your own hands and you might end up hurting the true victim.
zombiemakemelol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, I get why it's not allowed, but damn, sometimes I wish it was in cases like this.
green_meklar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But remember, part of the point of that 'due process' is that some people, regardless of how much your gut tells you they're baby-raping scumbags, didn't actually do what they're accused of. Statistically speaking, how many child molesters need to get beaten up to make it worth beating up one innocent guy along with them? What would you tell that innocent guy afterwards?
physickfester ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck my skin is crawling, just imagining that poor little girl not even understanding what was happening to her.
BlaveSkelly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was having a good day. I didn't need this. Ty for being there for people who have to live it.
DarthShiv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two fucking years old... Wtf??? This guy needs to be set on fire.
Daronmal12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:15:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are the kind of people who don't deserve to have basic human rights. Them and animal abusers.
cynicalReddit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animal abusers? Yeah it's a horrific crime but come on?! Murderers, PEOPLE WHO TAKE LIVES AWAY FROM OTHER PEOPLE AND HARM DOZENS OF OTHERS. So many more disgusting crimes and yet a domestic animal being abused is at the top of your list? Again, it's a fucking woeful crime but there are so many other crimes that are more awful than this. Sorry about this mini-rant, just need to let off steam.
Daronmal12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are generally pieces of shit, of course it's a fucking tragedy when someone is killed, but taking the life of an innocent animal 1/3rd your size at best just to get off? I dont mean that murder is okay, but it's sickening that someone can get a power trip over killing animals, because those are the same people that will start doing the same to humans.
Gizmo-Duck ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:48:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other side of this coin is that there are people sick enough to make this up just to get someone else in trouble.
I've known people who have had their lives ruined because of the lies of an angry ex.
Howizzle90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that is horrifying to read.
jayemerald16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Angry tears are coming
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:29:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that is no doubt awful if he really did do these things. But as law enforcement, its important that you don't do things like discuss it with colleagues casually and hope he gets thrown off a roof. It's your job to facilitate the process of Justice. Not dispense it.
What if the woman who came in the police department is simply mad at her husband or wants a divorce or any other million reasons a woman could be mad at her spouse. What if she decides to put on a show in the police department lobby. Now every cop is incapable of impartially facilitating Justice. It might even make you guys mad enough to abuse your power and think it's okay because he is obviously a "bad" guy.
This happened two days ago so it's obviously an open investigation. How about you guys keep investigating and let the court system decide if he indeed does deserve to be thrown off a roof.
Seeing someone commit a crime is one thing. Hearing a tale from a hysterical woman is another.
calcuttacodeinecoma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get shaky with rage just reading that, I could never do what you do and maintain any level of sanity.
Youthsonic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good thing is that child molesters usually have a pretty bad time in prison (putting it midly)
0nSecondThought ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even imagine. Thank you for your service.
Lulyoutop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is beyond comprehension, but locking this man up or killing him aint gunna solve shit. Unless you get him into treatment and learn about these individuals, it will never end
Sw0rDz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do you not go bat shit crazy? Are there even counselors or psychologist that specialize with coping for such things? I would not have the strength to deal with that over and over.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is.
Monkeibusiness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you. Keep it professional when it counts. It's the only way. Good luck in your career.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
CognitiveRedaction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, i dont know where you are or what you want to do, but i have a very particular set of skills that puts these types of filth in excruciating pain for their short lives. Just saying.
tech_kra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Father of a three year old little boy here. I would burn down the entire fucking planet. This killed me to read godamn man. I fucking hate people.
nsfwmodeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. This is making me cry. I have two kids. I can't even imagine the kind of vengeful monster i would turn into just for protecting them. But what you just told goes beyond everything. This makes me shiver
Luap_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that monster is still alive and hasn't had his dick sliced off is a testament to the mom's restraint. I can't imagine what that poor lady and her daughter are going through. Absolutely sickening...
smilingnsfw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F**k!
This is the absolutely worst thing I have ever read on here. God-Damned piece of sh!t deserves more than our criminal system allows.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HildyFriday ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:05:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your beliefs about family court are centered in myth number one.
Number two, the idea that the timing of abuse allegations and divorce is suspicious is just outright ridiculous. Of course allegations often go hand in hand with a filing for divorce. Many victims speak out for the first time when filing because they've been too scared and/or prevented from or threatened out of speaking out. Same reason victims frequently request a restraining order or DVPO at the time of filing.
In some cases, victims or parents attempting to protect their children will not mention the abuse but will just attempt to remove the offender and cease the abuse by way of divorce. They don't speak up because they don't want themselves or the children to deal with the stigma (it's a legitimate fear, there have been studies done and there is evidence to suggest that allegations of abuse mean the victim(s) fare worse when it comes to property and custody decisions)or they have bought into the widespread yet erroneous belief that they or a volatile relationship between the parties is the problem and think the end of the relationship will equal the end of the abuse.
However, as the legal proceedings go on and they are facing things like the abusive parent having care of the child(ren) 50% of the time or the abuser ramping up the abuse as they so frequently do when the victim is trying to escape, victims can feel like they now have no choice but to come forward.
False allegations of abuse, particularly sexual abuse of a child are very rare in reality and happen far less frequently than actual abuse does. Those false allegations don't ruin anything for real victims just as falsely reporting an armed robbery doesn't ruin anything for someone who actually was robbed at gunpoint.
Believing that someone is more likely to be lying than they are telling the truth about abuse or even going as far as to suggest that looking for ways to discredit the victim (theorizing that they may be personality disordered) should come before investigating the alleged criminal? Those are the things that harm victims.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HildyFriday ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I say I'm a lawyer or professional you will dismiss my comments with some claim that my opinion is based on my own financial or professional interest yes? Yep, I've heard that one a time or two.
What I am is a person who, and I'm now ashamed to admit, used to hold a lot of the same beliefs and attitudes you do. But, I'm also a person who questions most commonly held beliefs enough that I'm willing to do my own research and be open minded to what I find. Life has a way of challenging your preconceptions. You gain wisdom by being up to the challenge.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good news is that prisoners fee the same way.
Dr_Bishop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should go down to the VA and find yourself a marine with about 6 months to live. Buy him some beers and unburden yourself.
Problem solved.
Grizzlyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being the judge in this case. How can he or she possibly understand what happened to the mother when she saw that?
DarthRoacho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a buddy whos a sheriffs office dispatcher. Poor guy hears some fucked up stuff. i couldn't do that job
NoIdeaWhatImDoingL0L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the actual fuck?
xxkoloblicinxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, do you guys have any sort of manditory mental health groups?
Like group therapy sessions etc? Because I know various jobs that deal with stuff like this often do.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes we have therapist around the clock. Only prob is when you say something is off they take your gun and badge while you recoup.
xxkoloblicinxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not quite what I meant. Some fields you would have to say go to a therapist/group something like once or twice a month by default. Not because you said something was wrong.
Just a way of checking in and dealing with even just everyday stress etc.
As an example psychologists/therapists have to see a therapist on a regular basis.
idkfams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, nope. We donโt have that. I mean your superiors will always ask if your okay but no not in way youโre asking. Vicarious trauma is real though and I feel it at times. Deff try not to take it home but some times it helps telling my girlfriend about the shit I see and hear.
Joe1972 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would probably have shot the fucker and went to jail. That shit will fuck you up for life :(
worthlesscommotion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so sorry you had to experience that. Thank you for the work you do.
german-I-am ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you are law enforcement... is there anyway this could be considered self defense? I mean obviously I have the right to keep my child safe but my guess is the stabbing happened immediately after once the fucker has stopped... please tell me she won't go to jail and leave her daughter alone???
idkfams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely not going to jail.
Thethirdtoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how do we end stuff like this, cause I swear to god I would give up whatever to save kids like that from that ever happening.
TotallyTroll ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:48:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awareness
No judgement towards victims
To explain #2, a lot of people will lash out at the mom and shaming her for being with that guy in the first place, calling her names and saying it's her fault. Which makes people not come forward, that's why #2 is important.
Now #1 seems like a cop-out, but a lot of people can help. For example, a preschool teacher can notice sexual behaviour in a toddler, know that it's a sign of sexual abuse and report it for further investigation. We're not talking about awareness in the sense of Facebook likes, but awareness as in people have read a book or two about abuse, know the warning sign and can respond to victims in a helpful manner.
Y'know the shaming of high-school "sluts"? One of the possible causes for hypersexuality is experiencing abuse. A lot of porn actresses have a history of abuse and/or rape (being hypersexual helps to reduce the "importance" of sex and thus the trauma).
So #3 would be to make therapy wildly available. You could support organisations like RAINN.
exotics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just glad they caught it now...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an old Nietzsche quote about fighting against monsters... I am paraphrasing here but it roughly goes "be wary he who fights against monsters, for when you gaze long upon an abyss the abyss gazes also into you."
It is open to interpretation of course but I always assumed it was referring to how facing evil can be poisonous to the person who does it.
Thank you for doing what you do for society. Just remember not to think about that "abyss" to much. Watch a happy comedy movie or something like that. That always helps my mood.
BlueBanksWC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... I wouldn't be a cop for long.
But at least I'd be on the other side of the badge for the right reasons.
TreeArbitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is ultimately why I decided not to become a therapist like my parents. I don't know how they handle these kinds of interactions daily. I can't handle a situation like that. Stay strong, for all of us, so you can keep bringing treachery to justice.
rpyles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Friend of mine is a county prosecutor, and he does all of the 'god I don't want to know the details' cases (child rape, incest, abuse, homicide, SVU type of stuff). I'm surprised how little he drinks compared to the shit he's seen and had to know. I'm glad he does what he does but I don't want to know the details.
largeangryredletters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone with a 2 year old daughter, fuck that guy.
NotNormal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what % of these fukers are out there?
Impalasdonteatcheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep agreed. I have to listen to evidence about this kind of stuff (I work at a court) pretty much day in, day out. It makes me despair of humans.
mystghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking christ! what the fuck? killing someone like this shouldn't be considered murder.
brownsyndrome ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 15:10:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel bad for the girl, she's going to be traumatized for the rest of her life. That's fucked up to see at a age where you still have no control of your emotions but still know what the fuck is going on.
yunietheoracle ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:59:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That poor girl. Imagine experiencing and seeing all of that, then being questioned and being forces to relive it to the police, and then being taken to the hospital and them poking and swabbing around inside of her. I can't fathom going through that as a 12-year-old. I hope she gets the therapy she needs and her and her mother can heal.
theCroc ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least she knows her mothers got her back when shit gets real.
Sadly it's often the case that the mother doesn't believe the daughter or turns against her in cases like this. As much as this situation sucks for the daughter she is lucky in that she has a mother that put's her daughters safety first.
sushisection ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:16:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully she gains a closer relationship with her mom now, they should go to therapy together
jabberwockxeno ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, it's that exact attitude that's causes it: Research shows that the majority of truama from sexual abuse on minors isn't actually from the abuse itself, but from people telling them over the years how awful what happened was and them thinking they should feel abused.
There was a meta-study in the late 90's that came to this conclusion but basically the entire US goverment and most psychological organizations condemned the study for PR reasons. Even when it's findings were replicated, the researchers who did it were careful to not draw the same conclusions, presumably out of fear of them also being subject to a PR firestorm.. Additionally, a Harvard Researcher named Susan Clancy came to the same conclusion when she was doing a graduate project, and even though her findings were sound and matched up with national epidemiological studies, she was essentially blacklisted and had to move to Nicaragua to continue to practice psychology.
It makes sense if you think about it: sex is just an action, and it's really society putting sex on a taboo/sacred pedestal that makes it seem special. Kids don't have the same cultural biases towards it as adults do, so assuming the abuse wasn't horribly violent, they didn't view it as anything super troubling untill they got told it is.
It's sort of fucked to say it, but if we didn't view unwanted sexual actions as this extra heinous thing compared analogous unwanted actions of a nonsexual kind, then when it happened, the victims wouldn't be as traumatized. The actual abusers and pedophiles might be able to actually seek treatment easier too, since currently in most countries, they don't due to the social stigma.
HelloFr1end ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is extremely interesting to me. I think I've wondered about it before, not really with all those words, but wondered about it nonetheless. I don't know if I believe it or not simply because how did unwanted sexual contact TURN INTO something that's socially considered 'extra heinous' to begin with?
I'm not even arguing, honestly just wondering. Maybe it's some of both?
RedditWhileIWerk ยท 1069 points ยท Posted at 15:18:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, so the guy fell on a knife? Repeatedly?
Tragic accident. That must have hurt.
VascoDegama7 ยท 544 points ยท Posted at 15:55:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He ran into my knife... He ran into my knife 10 times... HE HAD IT COMING!"
mygawd ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 16:21:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a murder, but not a crime!
darnyoulikeasock ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:11:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chicago was my immediate thought too.
Caloisnoice ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:03:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd have been there, if you'd have seen it, I betcha you would have done the same
Linhasxoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here expecting that line, was not disappointed
smartfishy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:36:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? unfortunate slip.
LongEZE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:21:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh hidy ho officer, we've had a doozy of a day. There we were minding our own business, just doing chores around the house, when kids started killing themselves all over my property."
erdub ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was poisoned by his enemies.
Halavidge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nasty way to go
TerrorAlpaca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he fell on the knife, bled on to the floor, slipped when getting up, fell on the knife again. repeat as necessary
RedditWhileIWerk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:29:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird coincidence eh? Someone dropped that knife and it landed on its handle. Stood up. Stayed that way despite the slippery floor. One in a million chance, really.
2yrnx1lc2zkp77kp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let the dead bury the dead, Mr. Finch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
ph33randloathing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly how many times?
Sammiesam123988 ยท 2275 points ยท Posted at 14:41:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so a normal reaction to walking in on your child being assaulted then.
Who WOULDN'T have stabbed the guy?
Edit: too many responses so 1. Lol, ok stab or shoot. 2. To those that wanna be the bigger person and calmly just get the guy arrested, I mean, I guess if that's what you wanna do. 3. To the personal danger, I hear that point and understand, though I'm pretty sure parenting instinct overrides that for a lot of people. 4. To the people mentioning that someone that does nothing isn't a monster but a victim, I agree and disagree. They are probably victims sure, but I'm still going to judge their choices. Choosing to look the other way is pretty bad, and this is coming from someone that's been in this sort of situation. I 100% used my body as a shield and almost died because of that choice. I would 100% do it again right now, because it was the right choice. While I guess calling everyone that makes the wrong choice a monster is a little over the top because people do shitty things sometimes, I still will judge based on your choices and doing nothing is flat out bad.
[deleted] ยท 1554 points ยท Posted at 14:55:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of mothers out there who would have been pissed at the daughter, or who would have walked out of the room and pretended it never happened.
Macromesomorphatite ยท 332 points ยท Posted at 15:31:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in abuse counseling for a very brief time. One of my caseload was this girl, which from like 6-10 was forced to have intercourse with a dog. The mother (who by the way, tried to stay in contact after she was removed from that situation) response was "well we all had rough upbringings. My dad spanked me.".
I nearly lost it on how incomparable those are.
ermpera ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um jesus what
Macromesomorphatite ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 17:11:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the world. Everyone is horrible.
durhamStuff ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:19:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you need a vacation. Just sayin. :) I know you said you worked in it some time ago, but you still haven't detoxed from it. Because...what you witnessed is about 10 standard deviations past fucked up, straight through deviant, into adjectives I don't even fucking know yet and frankly don't want to know.
Twokindsofpeople ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:29:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work in anything involving kids or vulnerable people. Shit like that is not rare. Maybe the addition of a dog is uncommon, but sexual abuse of some kind is usually around 25/75 in the best populations. In at risk ones it's at least 50/50.
durhamStuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the dog part is sort of an essential ingredient. The fact that it was her mom makes it even worse. The fact that her mom shrugged it off as no biggie compounds it.
There is nothing run of the mill about that case was my point.
Sorry you had to see that shit it must have been horrible and I hope you were able to help some of those poor kids.
Twokindsofpeople ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:08:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dog is the only weird part. Moms turn a blind eye all the time. Any mom who says "I had no gosh dang idea my piece of shit boyfriend was raping my kid" is lying.
durhamStuff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:17:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ugh I wish you were wrong.
boogie414 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just cannot wrap my head around a mother turning a blind eye or minimizing shit like that. How do you become ok with some pervert touching/raping your child?? How? My mind cannot conceive of the thought of anyone touching my child like that. Never. I'd do some fucked up ass shit to whoever would try.
UWAIN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a foster carer. One of our placements was from a large family, and two of her brothers were also strongly suspected to be her nephews. Ages would have meant the abused brother was early teens. Mothers can be utter shitbags.
Edited to say they were all abused in many and varied ways by both parents, that particular abuse just horrified me.
Macromesomorphatite ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work a much better job now. That place is for people who have a passion for literally beating up people with paperwork. I can't leave that kind of job every day knowing that those people walk free people.
and it is fucked up. It is horrifying. But the honest truth is I had a caseload of 20 people a week. There were ~15-20 other people who had the same job as me. My city isn't that big. The world is a fucked up place. If you don't look for people, if you don't seek the bad stories, they don't pop up.
Un4tunately ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't even know the half of how awful everyone is. Be thankful folks exist that are willing to sacrifice their sanity for the sake of your innocence.
durhamStuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People that work with abused kids have a biased sample. It really isn't the norm.
Un4tunately ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I speak both from experience, and from familiarity with the statistics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Macromesomorphatite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some good. But there are fucking massive amounts of horrors that go untold. And that, that is what is pisses me off. There is no excuse that in a first world country any person should have to go through that.
Jebbediahh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking Christ
SKxU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:03:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just... why? Why would anybody do that? did she give you a reason?? Besides "I'm a monster who should have never been allowed to have children or care for a dog (or any living thing, like.. even a potato plant)"
Macromesomorphatite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had minimal contact with the mother. She was 19 when I worked with her, I just had her file. I'm gonna assume production... But basically fucked up parents.
SKxU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that is just.... what the fuck is wrong with some humans... I hope that girl has had the help she needs. I chose to believe she is getting therapy and will be happy and healthy for the rest of her life, she has suffered enough
Macromesomorphatite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly man you don't want the end to the story.
LA_SoxFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't understand how this is possible. There has to be some insane drug or something involved here. I'm open to the fact that I'm just wildly naive or something. But what. the. fuck.
Macromesomorphatite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can call it mental health, ptsd, cycle of abuse, whatever you want man. At the end of a day, it's a kids life who got ruined. plain and simple.
Xxmustafa51 ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 15:31:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work with juvenile girls and dude...Some of the shit they say makes me so sad/mad. For the very large majority, they were neglected in some way by their parents which is bad enough. But there are some girls who's mothers have let their boyfriends go in their room at night, or been so fucked up on drugs that different men who they do drugs with with wait until the mom passes out and then go into the girl's rooms. It's seriously fucked up shit. Some parents even pimp their daughters out for drug money. And about 99% of them have been sexually abused at some point in their life (I have yet to meet one who wasn't abused).
To anyone reading, take care of your fucking kids. If you're a drug addict, use protection or have an abortion. You aren't responsible enough to raise a child yet, maybe in the future. Put your kids' health and well-being first always and never compromise that point for anything.
Sammiesam123988 ยท 1083 points ยท Posted at 14:57:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, out of the people that aren't monsters.
:(
mmouchi ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:14:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to judge any woman who doesn't attack the man at a time like this out of fear. The average man can easily subdue a fit woman, let alone an average strength woman, and beat her unconcious or kill her in this situation.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 15:25:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of fear? If someone's doing irreversible damage to my child I couldn't care less about my safety. That dude deserves to be put in the ground asap.
cicadaselectric ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:38:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be more worried he would react by hurting her. I have no idea what I would do in that situation.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:48:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree with that. I'd ideally inform the cops and somehow ensure that the cavalry would be coming before taking the dude out. Edit: Inappropriate use of the word "poundtown"
TheNorthComesWithMe ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:05:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are kinda misusing "poundtown" there. That is a location you probably want to remove a rapist from, not take them to.
superkp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:13:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the Wild Wild West that is English grammar crossed with American slang.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:24:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, sorry. I'm not American so I've misunderstood the word and took it too literally.
SmoothOctopus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a case of if they might hurt the child they are hurting them and it needs to immediately stop.
cicadaselectric ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:58:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right but what she could be easily overpowered by the boyfriend who may choose to kill the daughter rather than simply assault her. Theoretically it would be best to call 911 before trying to yank him off of her. I'm not sure I would be levelheaded enough to do so, which is why I said I wasn't sure how I would react. I don't think anyone does until they face that situation. I hope he was off of her before she started stabbing. My heart aches for that little girl.
CoffeeAddict64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one's thinking about what could theoretically happen in that situation. No one thinks at all.
boopdelaboop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he kills you then he is free to do whatever he wants with your child after, including killing them. Some women, especially ones that are already traumatized and don't get the instinctive rage/"Not her too" reaction, may be more preoccupied about the daughter and her surviving the moment by being compliant, especially if the husband or boyfriend is already regularly beating the wife/girlfriend. These things happen. Don't judge others too harshly as long as their instinct was to save their kid in some meaningful way (survive the night and then running away with the kid when he's out of the house, or whichever). Going full on mama bear isn't the only way a loving parent can react, for better and for worse.
Firhel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I don't think there was logical thinking of who would win, she simply saw red.
mmouchi ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the person who has no concept of the differences of strength between genders. Even something as harmless and playful as wrestling around shows every woman that even in entirely safe situations, they have little hope of overpowering a man in a confrontation.
If this guy felt murderous, he could have subdued this woman long before she could have killed him with a pocket knife.
tolandruth ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:06:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree men are stronger then woman in almost every single way. Mom strength is a real thing and when kids are in danger they can do some crazy shit.
mmouchi ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:22:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freezing or panicking in an emergency is also a real thing. That's why I started by saying I would never judge anyone who did not attack in this situation. We can all pretend to be Internet tough but we have no idea how we will react until we are in such a situation.
AFatBlackMan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:24:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mom strength/rage isn't a source of magic hulk strength though, it just means they're pushing themselves physically as far as they can. Someone who is about to be stabbed can do crazy shit too.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:47:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No concept of difference of strength between genders? Bruh, I only said that I'd charge in to save my kid regardless of the consequences. I'd rather get hurt real bad than let my child think that I abandoned them. The difference in strength might result in an unfavorable outcome but I don't think I'd be able to stay calm enough to really process that or even care about it.
RMCPhoto ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:02:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you died, the man who was sexually assaulting her may gain custody - depending on what the courts are told.
That said, attacking the man is a totally understandable response (and justified) - though it may not always be the most prudent.
mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're disputing me saying out of fear. I pointed out why anyone would be right to be afraid in this situation.
OuFerrat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say it's more of a strong and hard and emotional situation than a gender thing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but from the sounds of it, she probably stabbed him in the back of the head first
also, I doubt he knew he was about to be stabbed. She had the element of surprise
mmouchi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy grabbed her by the neck and slammed her against a wall after being stabbed 6 times. If he decided to kill/rape/beat her unconcious, he easily could have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well that wasn't in the article
mmouchi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you clearly didn't read it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:19 on September 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh, well I don't know how I missed that. I remember reading it and thinking that there wasn't much information. I probably scrolled down on my phone until the was an advert and assumed the end of article
JeepNaked ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:14:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And, Colt made all people equal. I've never understood and never will, why all women don't carry.
mmouchi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because a gun can equally be used against you if you are not 100% alert at all times. You cannot have a gun and drink any amount of alcohol. You risk hurting innocent bystanders in an emergency. The list goes on really.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mmouchi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Counter anecdote: no woman I know owns a gun and have never been in a situation to need a gun. So the accidental risk is far higher to them than ending up in a situation in which lethal force is appropriate.
JeepNaked ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, to each their own. But, the women in my family, fear no men. Can you say the same?
mmouchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fear no men? That's just cocky. A man can just as easily still pull a gun on them in a surprise situation where anyone would be unable to pull their gun in return.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any hypothetical you come up with will still turn out better for the victim if they have a chance to fight back.
And, I should have said fear no body. But, i was trying to make a point with size disparity.
mmouchi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fearing no one is equally cocky and foolish. A gun doesn't fix every problem.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But, it definitely solves a few.
But, no worries. Thanks for the back and forth. I believe in self protection, but I understand not everyone does. I get that I will never change your perspective. And, I hope you have a peaceful life.
Taliesin_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:23:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This woman "feared no man" as well. Guns may level the playing field, but they also raise the deadliness of encounters across the board. Regardless of the personalities of the people carrying.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And, she should absolutely be charged.
Self defense is not aggression. This was aggression. I am absolutely only talking about the ability to defend yourself against a larger attacker.
Taliesin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. But you cannot ensure that firearms are only going to be used by level-headed individuals for self-defense. It's been demonstrated that this can't even be ensured among law enforcement officers trained specifically and extensively to do so.
So you'll hopefully forgive my skepticism of your haughty attitude regarding "the women in your family."
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only person you can rely on to defend you is you. Having the tools to do so will always be in your advantage.
If people do not feel the need to protect themselves. That is fine. But, I will never understand it.
This joke reminds me of my mom.
A cop pulls over an old lady for speeding on a Texas highway. He asks for her driverโs license and registration. When she opens her wallet, he notices a conceal-carry permit. He asks, โMaโam, do you have a weapon in your possession at this time?โ She responds that she has a .38 Special in her purse, a .45 in her glove box, a 9mm Glock in the center console, And a shotgun in the trunk. โJesus, lady,โ says the cop. โWhat are you so afraid of?โ The old lady looks him in the eye and says, โNot a fuckin thing.โ
Taliesin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Narrow thinking. If I eventually contract cancer, I will rely on trained medical professionals to treat it. Being able to rely on systems comprised of other people, and being reliable to them in turn is what makes a society function.
Defense is no different. You can choose to be self-reliant in as many fields as you're able to, but unless you're living in complete isolation you're going to need to rely on others from time to time. And the more guns there are in any environment, the more people are going to die as a direct result of their efficient lethality.
Good joke, though.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you may be getting close to my mind set. Although I live in the middle of Phoenix now. I am a small town boy. Because of the isolation. I grew up in a place where people took care of their own problems. I took the mind set with me to adult hood.
For example and I'm not trying to be a bad ass just telling you how I think. But, If I was sleeping and woke up to someone down stairs. It would literally never even occur to me to call the cops till after I took care of it. It's really how I think, and deal with things like this.
So, I'm coming from that mindset. I try to understand why people are against self defense. But it seems almost self destructive to me.
Taliesin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems likely to be an environment thing. If you're living in a place where a break-in is likely to bring a gun with them, then I suppose you'd want to have a gun yourself.
But that's sort of the crux of the issue, I guess. I'd rather live in a place where neither the would-be robber nor myself was carrying a firearm, because that means that the situation's much less likely to end in death for either party. Luckily, I live somewhere where I am afforded that safety by firearm control and law enforcement.
But for people not so fortunate, being armed themselves may be the only way.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny cause we both feel sorry for the other one. I couldn't stand living in a place that didn't allow me the option of self defense. And, clearly you wouldn't like it here. Where it's fairly common to see people with a pistol on their hip. At work here, a couple people open carry. Nobody even bats an eye.
I truly enjoy talking to people with different views than mine. Always good to get out of my bubble. Thanks.
Taliesin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, really. Thanks to you as well!
ItsFrank11 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:36:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, there are a million good reasons not to assault the guy in that situation.
Is it worth the risk of the daughter losing her mother as well as her innocence?
Its not black or white, luckily in this case the woman was able to over power the guy. But had she not had a knife, it very well could have been a dead mom and raped daughter case which is objectively worse.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why you swearing at me? Objectively speaking, the woman was armed and the man was distracted. Shoving him off and stabbing him in the eye would definitely incapacitate him, wouldn't it?
leharicot ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:09:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like one of those "why didn't tge police just shoot him in the leg" type people. In the heat of the moment you probably wouldn't be able to accurately stab both eyes.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe i'm naive idk but shouldn't cops be trained to subdue rather than kill? Shouldn't their response deviate from that of ordinary civilians? I dont expect everyone to be able to stab both eyes(one might be enough no?) I was just pointing out that a weapon could alter the balance of power. I'm sorry if I sound naive.
leharicot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry if i came off as hostile. This comment explains my thoughts on the situation much better than I probably ever could.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries man. I'm pretty young and inexperienced so maybe I'm not viewing things clearly. I guess the best way to tackle a situation like this would be to always try to get help first.
ItsFrank11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, the way you worded your comment made it sound like anyone who didn't attack him out of fear was wrong.
And yes obviously someone who carries a pocket knife with them has had different experiences in life so she was confident enough to go along with it. Put a different mother in there and for 99% of them, not attacking "out of fear" is the correct response.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you there. Not attacking him and getting help first is the smart and right thing to do. I was just putting myself in the mom's shoes and I couldn't imagine how I wouldn't be overcome with rage and bloodlust. Hopefully the daughter will be able to overcome this.
ermpera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And while you're lining up the stab to make sure it hits his eye (90% you miss even then) he sees the knife and shatters your jaw.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So there's a 90% chance that an armed woman would miss a stab to the face on a naked and distracted man but the naked and distracted man will almost certainly be able to shatter her jaw with one punch? Without freaking out a little over the fact that the woman is holding a knife? I think you're taking too much leeway with your argument.
ermpera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, what is hyperbole.
But somewhat, yeah. Did you know that somebody who's spent decades training their gunfire accuracy at a range will miss every shot the first time they fire in defense at an attacker? Stress and adrenaline mess with you big time. You shake, your muscles tense in ways you don't expect. Have you ever had a really close call and then tried to walk in a straight line after? It's not easy.
And that's assuming that somebody who is clearheaded enough to pick a target like that won't freeze up or anything; when you're panicking you tend to just throw everything at them. She's trying to stab him before he retaliates (i.e. raises his hand), so she's rushing, panicking, aiming for a small moving target. 90% might be optimistic.
His retaliation is unlikely to be so clear, but it depends on the person. If he's been in a lot of fights, then he'll definitely manage a true punch (and you don't need to shatter someone's jaw to incapacitate them. Somebody with the chin out taking a punch to the jaw goes down even if the punch is pathetic). If he isn't that sort, he probably wouldn't have the reflex to strike; most likely he'd try to catch her wrist or otherwise take the knife. You can cut the shit out of somebody's hands or forearms without it doing much of anything, so you'd better hope he bleeds out before he grabs you.
But of course it all depends on the person. Some people would collapse after a single stab to the arm, other people would take a knife to the eye and throttle her anyway (assuming it isn't too long). Either way though, it's just a bad idea. If you want to incapacitate fast, driving the knife into the back of their neck would give you better chances.
TechyDad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm usually a nonviolent person, but there was one time when I seriously considered killing someone. Our doorbell rang at around 2am one day and, when I peeked outside, there was a guy wearing a hoodie. We called 911 as my wife took my then-young son to the other room. (His bedroom is right by the front door.)
The guy wandered around the back of our house and eventually back to the front. I grabbed the only "weapon" I could find: a hammer. At one point, he saw me peeking out the window. He began to bang on the glass so hard I was sure it'd shatter. As he did this, he shouted at us to let him in. I told him the police were called and to leave.
At this point, with my wife's and child's safety possibly being threatened, I realized that if I turned the hammer around to the claw side, I could do more damage to the guy's skull. I was fully ready to bash his head in if he broke the window and tried in come in.
He's lucky he didn't. He turned out to be some drunk college kid who was wildly lost. Being surrounded by three or four large police dogs sobered him up quickly and the police escorted him to where he was trying to go. Still, I'll never forget that feeling as I clutched the hammer of being 100% certain that I was willing to kill a man without hesitation instead of letting him harm my wife and child.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. It's a shame that you had to have that experience but it just goes to show that people are capable of a lot more than we assume.
QuailMans_Sidekick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out?
slavefeet918 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I mean how scared do you think her poor child is?
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but she'll, hopefully, recover. She has a tough mom.
Kidneyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could understand it from the perspective of not wanting to get yourself killed/incapacitated and therefore unable to seek help for either of you.
MyButtBreathesForYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah me too. That's why its important to always get help first but if the situation is dire and no help is nearby then courage has to suffice.
IntriguinglyRandom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know how airline safety vids suggest putting oxygen on yourself before helping your own child? Similar attitude could be justified here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mother is 4'11 and the abuser is built like a linebacker, attacking him is a bad idea
SelectaRx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's probably not many people on earth who wouldn't resort to violence to protect a loved one (or hell even a stranger) being sexually assaulted, myself included, but can we drop this fucking internet tough guy bullshit of "well I would have ripped his spine out, karate chopped it in half, then put it back in with surgical precision, except upside down!"
Guy got more than what was waiting for him in the legal sense, and the court will decide his fate, but even still, at this point, it's time for civilized discourse and ordered justice to finish sentencing him. Practically every single person in this country turns into goddamned John Wayne and Joe Arpaio's anally birthed love-mercenary when they talk about criminals and its fucking embarrassing and childish. There's a reason why vigilante justice is a crime. It's because we get mobs of the great unwashed unironically screaming for blood. And yall wanna talk shit on the how reactionary the Westboro Baptist church are? Might want to look in a mirror one time and maybe realise you're prone to the same kinds of self righteousness.
Bchui ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:08:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree. The internet suddenly starts comparing their dicks based on how crazy or violent they would get in situations like these. Like first off, unless you have actually experienced the exact situation, there's zero telling how much of pussy you really are. Not to mention it always ends with "didn't get what he deserved" when the list has gone way past essentially castrating him and torching him with a flamethrower. You aren't a better person because you are willing to do more harm to criminals... this isn't like the movies idiots. It's funny people scoff at the idea of hive mind and are surprised when cults (made up of everyday civilians) are capable of doing such atrocities.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, some of the comments here are sickening, internet tough guys at their best.
notgayinathreeway ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:22:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the person who doesn't have a daughter.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:39:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the judgmental asshole.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:40:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found Waldo
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Rainers535 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to underestimate the strenght of somebody with a fuckload of adrenalin and instincts kicking in. When protecting their children people can do crazy shit.
RMCPhoto ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:04:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should start a UFC event where a woman who's daughter is slowly being lowered into lava is forced to fight a UFC champion. The child is reeled back to safety on KO.
Rainers535 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The opponents would need fuckin helmets though, otherwise every match would end up like the time Tyson bit off someones ear (or WAY worse). Human Jaws are fuckin strong as shit.
RMCPhoto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that UFC fighter knew what they were signing up for.
mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And someone being stabbed with a pocket knife doesn't have adrenaline?
Rainers535 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bit late for that dont ya think? Besides a fuckin pedophiles first reaction would probably to be fucking scared not angry.
leharicot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like get brutally murdered.
AFatBlackMan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:25:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, apparently being a mom grants access to some otherworldly reserve of power and energy that can overcome evolution itself.
iateyourgranny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like a knife?
AFatBlackMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with escalating a conflict with lethal force is it opens up lethal force as an option for both parties. Can she hold onto the knife if someone bigger and stronger tries to take it? Especially when we're talking pocketknives, unless she has training in killing someone with a knife (not likely) she's putting herself and whoever she's protecting in much more danger. Maybe those decisions aren't conscious ones, and maybe that's the right thing to do anyway, but a knife only goes so far in leveling the field.
notgayinathreeway ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:37:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an obese old man, but you're quite close there.
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notgayinathreeway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/8oh03cg you got me there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow u show vegin? very sexxy
mmouchi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break it to you, but you are far more likely to overpower a younger woman in a situation like this before she could ever kill you with a pocket knife.
notgayinathreeway ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:03:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. You think a mother is going to care? You see a mountain lion trying to fuck your baby girl you're going to murder it with a spoon or die trying. You're literally not going to give a fuck, even if it kills you.
mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People freeze in all sorts of emergency situations. You don't magically not panic or freeze because you are a parent. Everyone reacts differently based on how their brain works.
ElectricFleshlight ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:17:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the coward who prioritizes their own physical safety over their children.
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ElectricFleshlight ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't have any
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mmouchi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never said don't do anything at all.
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mmouchi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I said I never fault anyone for being afraid and not attacking someone in this kind of situation.
I'm rather concerned about your reading comprehension. I sure hope any kids around you learn from someone who can read better.
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mmouchi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good old black and white, unrealistic understandings of human brains. It leads to such reasonable and non-attacking statements.
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mmouchi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Black and White thinking as in believing literally anyone who does not attack someone in an emergency situation shouldn't have children. But what should I expect from someone who can only resort to personal attacks.
Mira113 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's naked and you run and go grab a knife or a gun or whatever that can be used to cause puncture or cut wounds(blunt force requires too much strength to make it effective against someone stronger than you). A naked man against such a weapon is going to have a hard time getting away without a scratch.
ElectricFleshlight ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, you do what you can to protect your kids. If you're not willing to die to save your own child you're a shit parent.
mmouchi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Add another Internet tough guy to the tally.
Emergencies bring the worst out in people. They freeze, they panic, they act stupidly.
ElectricFleshlight ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you aren't willing to die to protect your child, you're a shit parent.
mmouchi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:29:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess we better kill a huge majority of the population because their brains are wired wrong and they freeze or panic in emergencies.
ElectricFleshlight ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should not have kids, they're weak cowards who will abandon their children to death and abuse.
mmouchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you'd claim you would rip this guy's heart out still beating with your bare hands and choke him with it.
The Internet is always full of pathetic faux macho men.
ElectricFleshlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope I would attempt to kill him and quite possibly die in the attempt because he's stronger than me. Wouldn't stop me from trying though. If my kid doesn't know I'm willing to do anything to protect them then what good am I as a parent?
Taliesin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You simply cannot claim with any certainty what you'd do in a situation like this until you've actually experienced it. Do a little research.
ElectricFleshlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I froze up and did nothing to protect my child I'd kill myself.
Taliesin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another claim.
I hope your claims need never be tested.
Vercci ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you then shut up to keep the family together....
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not always monsters. Dealing with that kind of betrayal and potential danger to your and your kids life and the public humiliation that's likely to come...it takes serious courage for men and women. I mean think about it. It's not as simple as we'd wanna believe.
Easy for people to say what'd they do in her situation here but talk is cheap.
ThatSiming ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:15:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but there are no monsters.
Sometimes people do bad things, and every human is capable of them. And I believe that for each human there is a threshold of painful experiences that once passed will make this human do things they wouldn't have just a week earlier.
If we allow ourselves to divide humans into "good" and "evil" we're not solving any problem, we dehumanise part of mankind and start new problems.
While nobody deserves bad things happening to them, sometimes there are actions that deserve consequences.
While I don't want to be associated with people like those considered monsters by some, remembering that they are in fact just humans helps me keep myself in check. It shifts my thinking from "I could never do that, I'd never be such a person" to "I am capable of such terrible acts. I need to make sure I'll always decide to do the right thing."
reanimate_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think either of those reactions make someone a monster. Some people just aren't capable of handling situations like that.
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reanimate_me ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like you?
YasiinBey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh, itโs sad because most those mothers who ignore it are rape victims themselves, Iโm not saying it makes it all right but itโs deeper than face value.
DontSayNoToPills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to be a monster you just have to be in an abusive relationship.
Bexlyp ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:26:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, this is true. I used to work at a non-profit that ran a group home for teen moms and their babies. At least one girl was here because her mom refused to believe her daughter wasn't seducing the stepdad and "kicked that little slut to the curb."
Badidzetai ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:17:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this, ex girlfriend was assaulted by her mom's new boyfriend, and she was ardly supportive when she learnt about it (some years later though)
insannadenny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When i was 10 or so I got uncomfortable with the way my swim coach (a family friend) touches me, I told my mom and she told me I was overthinking and was being rude to be demeaning my swim coach's reputation as he adores me and I am his favorite student. She continued to sign me up for his weekly one-on-one classes until I turned 13.
At 15 I was raped by a friend that I didn't guard up to, even though he seemed rather interested, because I thought I was overthinking + I was underage and no one would be dumb enough to touch an underage girl. After the deed I didn't tell any adults because I thought adults will just either not believe me or blame me. The fact that I didn't tell anyone made the guy thought I was just "acting shy and innocent" infront of him and he assaulted me multiple more times.
Aftermath sucked. Along with my parent's abuse, I ended up with severe PTSD and after cutting ties with my parents with my newfound independency, and started my recovery process, I spend years being barely functional.
Some parents are too selfish to admit that they put their kids in danger, and they dont friggin know what their choices of words and action will further impact their children's life.
0galo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be way more worried about a mother who did not try to kill this guy.
Throwawaychica ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a mother of 3 young girls, I honestly would not have the restraint to stop myself from killing him.
Mad-_-Doctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, how dare she seduce him.
2boredtocare ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those bitches should do the world a favor and stop breathing.
apennyfornonsense ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fall on their own pocket knife?
NinjaLanternShark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know we're both generalizing here... but the mothers you speak of were most likely emotionally abused and/or conditioned to defend their creep men by the men themselves.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any actual evidence for this ridiculous statement?
NinjaLanternShark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just as much as the guy I replied to.
magnummentula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They need a stabbing too.
Canadia-Eh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we are referring to normal people.
AaronSF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, while I'm generally against violence, this story is kind of heartening because of all of the instances where the mother does nothing, or even enables the abuse.
Dickathalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're the people I will never understand, if I found someone like that with my daughter I'd do the same or worse.
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, Mia Farrow.
jeremythelee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My very fucked up ex told me her mom put her on birth control when she found out.
Astaauand ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:14:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I think that's just as extreme as an adult man raping a child.
Maybe I'm just some pussy though
ChocolateSaltyToes ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't. I would have shot him.
TheRealHanBrolo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:51:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the daughter under him? Are you retarded?
USS_Aayhan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the angle. I'm a damn good shot.
ChocolateSaltyToes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you? Maybe in this hypothetical situation he gets the fuck off my daughter as I catch him in the act and I blast his ass to a better place. I'm certainly not going to hand to hand someone assaulting my kid if I have a gun.
falconbox ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/IAmVeryBadass
BABYCAKESxUNKILLABLE ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not badass to prefer ranged to melee. I think the melee option takes way more guts.
downvoats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the whole point of /r/IAmVeryBadass is posting text/images of people who think they are acting being badass, but are actually just being tools.
BABYCAKESxUNKILLABLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:13 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't debating the purpose of the sub.
peekaayfire ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im surprised she stopped stabbing tbh
TopEevee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the article, she didn't have a choice, the guy fought back.
Harbingerx81 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd probably have gone with a slashing motion rather than stabs, but yes, this seems like a normal response.
AshTheGoblin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally would've shot him in his fucking kneecaps.
downvoats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean. I'd probably beat the crap out of him, then call the cops and have his ass arrested. But I certainly wouldn't try to kill him.
Child molesters have a rough time in prison.
zombiemakemelol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have, I would have shot him.
BaconOnARock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone without a knife? :P
Warod0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People with guns i assume would have shot him instead.
Rawflax ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:22:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me. I'd have captured him and slowly tortured him to death over a year or so. Or at least, that's what my morbid fucked up mind thinks I'd have done.
cariboumustard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mother here. Would have stabbed. And stabbed and stabbed and stabbed.
Then hugged and hugged and hugged my girl.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:19:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at mr internet warrior.
FallsZero ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:51:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if I was a Mom I wouldn't have stabbed, would have called the police though immediately and tell him to btfo, possibly posture with a large steak knife, but have no intention of using it
JohnKlositz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:17:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and millions of other people. Don't assume that deadly violence is the only way a human being can react to this. And don't assume anything about anyone deciding against it.
Edit: Changed violence to deadly violence, since some immediate force probably is necessary in a situation like this.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:35:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If all I had was a knife, I'd have stabbed him.
Knowing that someone is a child rapist makes me believe that they have no qualms about other type of despicable behavior, and I know that most women wouldn't be able to incapacitate a grown man just with their bare hands.
I don't think killing him is the answer either, nor is senseless torture. But in the moment, his life isn't the priority. The child's safety, is. If she had had to stab him until he stopped moving/fighting back so that she and her daughter could get away, then that's understandable.
DrewTheHobo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:12:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Based on my limited understanding of this particular instance, I think she did the best thing she could've done to help her daughter.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very reasonable approach and also how self-defence laws work. Depending on where you are the details are different, but in general you're not allowed to use more force than necessary. So if nicking the main arteries of the attacker is the best way to eleminate the danger he poses, you're not only allowed to nick said arteries but also can sue him for the blood cleaning costs later. The moment however there's no threat anymore all your violence needs to stop. Otherwise you end up being guilty of homicide.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. The thing is, they were in the bedroom, so it'd have been easy for them to get trapped. Of course, if he's on the ground and she sends her daughter out to go call 911 while she stays behind and slits his throat, then that'd count as excessive violence, which isn't something I condone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sorry. I didn't disagree with you at all. I just wanted to say that your described mode of reaction is pretty much what you self-defence laws want you to do.
ncocca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like...the opposite of violent. But given the circumstances, deadly violence is the most logical choice. You think if she just tried to get him off that he wouldn't have probably just beat the shit out of her and possibly ended up killing both her and her daughter?
rugtoad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:58:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question: Do you have kids? I have two, if someone was in the process of hurting them, I would do anything and everything to stop it. I would throw a grown man out of a window to stop it.
I don't know any parent who would do anything less, either. It is instinctual, primitive...and I don't think there is anything wrong with it either. If you attack a child, you should expect to be brutalized by the parent should they catch you.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:17:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rugtoad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:22:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying to put it out as a matter of perspective.
I mean, dude above seems to think that people who are saying they'd have stabbed the guy are just full of bloodlust. My guess is that they simply have kids.
Animal instinct is pretty powerful, and humans aren't above it just because we walk on two legs and live in concrete buildings. Most mammals get pretty aggressive when you fuck with their progeny...I'm just curious if the people who are trying to argue that this behavior was excessive are doing so with some level of empathy and perspective here.
I don't believe I'm in any way an exceptional parent because I'd go into violent-animal-mode in defense of my kids. On the contrary...I think I'm pretty typical.
BSmokin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We get it, you aren't capable of picking up on subtext or inferences to empathy. Thanks for letting us know! People without empathy are smug douches!
KewlKidKen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe this thread is full of violent insane people thinking murder is justifiable. If you think murder in any way is justifiable you're just as insane and filled with rage as that rapist or a serial killer. The reason this world is fucked up is because insane people like those in this thread believe in this eye for an eye bullshit.
ayashiibaka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many of these people would just shrug it off if a family member or close friend was murdered after committing a crime. Would they just say "okay that's fine then, all their good aspects and past are irrelevant and it's good that they're dead"? Of course not. Most of the time they'd be wishing that there could have been a fair trial and that they could've understood the reason. I also doubt many people would truly think of someone close to them entirely as a hero after flying into a rage and murdering someone in an emotional frenzy. But because they are strangers, things like the fact that they're humans becomes irrelevant. It certainly is twisted, and it's good that at least some people can recognize that just because it may feel satisfying it isn't something good.
KewlKidKen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't solve our problems by murdering ever one who breaks the rules. We have to actually create a society that prevents terrible childhoods and circumstances that create all these murderers and rapists. Well never move on If we don't do that.
imGnarly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone that wasn't carrying a knife.
G09G ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd probably still be stabbing the guy...
jjake101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In some states I'd imagine the guy would've been shot dead then and there.
J5892 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't. But only because in that moment everything around me becomes a weapon. A knife is unlikely to be within reach.
SleepWouldBeNice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have.
I would have beat him to death with my bare hands!
AnalogPen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I own guns, so I have better options than a pocket knife.
Gosexual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who is afraid of losing financial security or is only worried about their own safety.
This hurts because the person I like was also a victim and nobody was there to help her.
ohnjaynb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have...I keep forgetting to carry my knife around the house.
UniverseChamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would still be stabbing.
Rustybot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'm going to go with 'strangle' as my choice, to lessen the shock to bystanders. I would't begrudge her or you though, each to their own.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OrangeCarton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft I carry a leg gun.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fucker wouldn't have made it out alive if it was my daughter. I wouldn't call it in until he was dead. Scum like that doesn't deserve to walk the earth and I'd happily accept all consequences.
Le_German_Face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The greatest betrayal: Jail for mothers who let Ian Watkins abuse babies (Metro)
I mean he is a diseased beast but I consider those two women even worse than him.
Watkins was sentenced to 35 years. The two women who let him touch their babies only got 14 and 17 years. He should have gotten a 100 years in prison and both of these women should have gotten a 1000.
They should have made sure that all three of them only leave prison in coffins.
Dw_Vonder ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it sucks but there are lots of people on reddit who actually believe people like this should be rehabilitated and not immediate killed. Lots of cowards on this site.
J5892 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't take courage to act on rage.
It takes courage to deal with the emotions that come with not ending their life on the spot.
Dw_Vonder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not agree with you but i do not want to argue. Different kinds of folks in the world.
eairy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Feignfame ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R. Kelly
PretttyHateMachine ยท 1314 points ยท Posted at 14:59:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
Of course, it would have nothing to do with the fact that he's a disgusting child rapist! It MUST be because of the victim's rampant attraction to him! /s /s /s
zombiemakemelol ยท 280 points ยท Posted at 15:47:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this response in these types of cases before. These people are completely fucked in the head. I don't know if they actually think that or if they somehow think that it is a good excuse to use. In any case, hearing that is what he said in his defense makes me automatically assume he is indeed a pedophile. Fuck that guy. Cut his dick off and throw him in jail, he should lose his weapon.
[deleted] ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 16:53:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MilkManEX ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:57:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I try to avoid making rape jokes now. The vast majority are well aware that they're just jokes, but rapists are of the opinion that everyone would do it given the chance, and making light of rape just reinforces that belief.
Tired_as_Fuck_ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:26:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should think about the victims too. They're not funny jokes in the first place, and for someone with PTSD it's just pretty fucking terrible.
Not only have they been reminded of the event but they're reminded how much of a joke it is to everyone else, and how few people will believe them or take them seriously if they were to speak up.
You don't know who they are either.
feel_nice ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:49:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah exactly, in their mind you're backing them and normalising it even more for them. Think whenever people make fucked up jokes they are trying to normalise the subject matter, sometimes cos they are innocently trying to process its existence, sometimes to fit their fucked up agenda and can also be a confused mix of both.
SKxU ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:47:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, when you make jokes or comments that sound like you would take advantage of any opportunity, regardless of consent or age, most people know you are joking. Monst people don't think you are a rapist, but the rapist thinks you are a rapist. I read a study about this topic some time ago.
zombiemakemelol ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:36:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ people are fucked up.
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florodude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly asking, what are you talking about? I've never felt encouraged by culture to rape anybody
ceruleanlotus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:34:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so common nowadays, and it's only really among specific communities, but rape culture includes the whole "well if she's dressed like that, she obviously wants the attention" or "he's my husband that means he has to have sex with me" etc etc. Younger generations generally don't think like that if they were raised right.
Lead_Sulfide ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:47:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very common. Too common.
NobleSavant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except Brock Turner and his ilk.
SKxU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:50:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't, but there are a lot of people who are not so right in the head, who believe that all those comments and joke are true. I know it sounds insane, but there are many people who still think the earth is flat.
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thatsaccolidea ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:28:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck no. i was raped by a male teacher. I'm a man. I can tell you directly: Female psychologists have been far more dismissive to me than male ones since i came forward about it. Femaleization is no answer.
Fuck feminism, it was an admirable thing in 1907, sure, but these days its irrelevant hand-wringing bullshit from ppl that want to feel like victims but don't have an actual reason to.
Dividing society into petty, gender-based arguments is how trump got elected. Stop doing it.
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thatsaccolidea ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:56:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yawn
misogyny, noun:
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:04:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thatsaccolidea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:07:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
again, if you don't understand haw few people hate women, you should probably get out into the world and realise that you're not a victim of your gender.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thatsaccolidea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you don't understand that you're not a victim of your gender.
perhaps if you were in saudi arabia, you'd have a point, but you're also really boring so i'm done here :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thatsaccolidea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just... wow.
I'm starting to think your actually trolling, no one can be this dumb.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:26:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thatsaccolidea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jesus fuck this is hilarious.
Tired_as_Fuck_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:28:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a man raped you and you're still pissed at the women?
I have no idea what you think feminism is, but it's not that.
thatsaccolidea ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm not pissed at woman? stop projecting your hatred of dissenting opinion on me :)
i simply don't see that feminism has any answer to this made up "rape culture" bullshit.
rape is seriously illegal, its a major, major crime. you don't live in a rape "culture", you live in a culture, that has a few rapists.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:50:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thatsaccolidea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you might want to refresh your knowledge of what "colloquial usage" means ;)
anyway: if you see rapists everywhere, well... thats concerning.
you know which group of people thinks everyone else is probably a potential rapist, given the chance??
actual rapists.
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thatsaccolidea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:05:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
go on then?
btw you haven't called me a lumpen yet.
akallyria ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you are on your journey, but perhaps this and other resources might be helpful. I'm sorry you went through what you went through. For the record, one of the issues that feminism is trying to shine a light on is male survivors of sexual abuse and assault. I know that the word feminism has fem in the name, but it's about so much more. I hope you find the right therapist, and that you find peace and healing. Talking to a therapist is difficult no matter the reason why - it's always better to develop a therapeutic relationship with someone who understands what you went through, and can genuinely help.
gunsof ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:06:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It literally makes it sound like he's bragging about a kid being so into him it would cause him to get attacked with a knife.
Ignorant_Fuckhead ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:44:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is. He puts as much ego in children being attracted to him as healthy people do adults of the appropriate gender.
gunsof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Do you know how hot I am to twelve year olds? A mother once tried to kill me because I'm that hot to them!"
coinpile ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:32:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a case where a guy said the same thing when accused of raping a toddler he was related to. He said she must have wanted it because she kept climbing into his lap. Because you know, that's such an unusual thing for a toddler to do. /s
GeniGeniGeni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly. Had the mother not been more concerned about wrestling for her the knife and defending herself, and think a couple of extra stabs in the genitalia would have been good.
TophShit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As horrible as it may sound, and many people may think this falls under cruel and unusual punishment, I really wish that was a thing.
Obviously this is my personal opinion, but for me it would be 2 catagories:
1, you are convicted of raping a child, with physical evidence that proves beyond all reasonable doubt you have committed the assault, or 2, you are repeat offender with a history or varying degrees of sexual assault, molestation, etc of children.
If you fall into one of the above catagories (obviously not including that grey area of a 19 year old having consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and her parents getting pissed, I'm talking about a full grown adult and a child, like a 30 year old man and a 12 year old girl,) then you should be given 2 options. Either you accept a sentence of life in a maximum security prison, true life, until the day you die, with absolutely no chance of parol of any kind regardless of showing remorse or being a model inmate, or you may choose to be voluntarily castrated, the pillar and the stones, with the chance of parol of the strictest kind including mandatory psychological treatment and monitoring for the rest of your life.
And even that feels lenient to me.
Lead_Sulfide ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is about power. Castration will not prevent rape.
Stardustchaser ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone thinks by cutting a dick off it solves all future problems. The fuckers still have hands and can still do damage, eunuchs or not.
twangbanging ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:28:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The gross thing is if she were two or three years older there would be a ton of comments saying stuff like this
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 18:53:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she was three year older she would be pubescent and thus her consent would be a possibility. It's not fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:19:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just cause 14-15 year olds are developing boobs doesn't mean they are of sound mind to enter into a sexual relationship with an ADULT MAN. Jesus. I got my period at 12. I was pubescent. I guess that means I could consent. What a fucking stupid comment.
Martiger434 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most european countries have their age of consent at 15/16. Even some states in the US from what I heard. Although the age gap can't be too big etc.
Not disagreeing with you, just saying.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't make a comment about teenage girls being too young to consent* on Reddit without someone making this comment. Love it.
*Obviously not a blanket statement about sex in general, but about relationships with older men.
Martiger434 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, alright. I know this pops up every time but my stupid ass thought it was a good comment to make, nvm.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the age of possible consent has to be defined by law. There is nothing wrong with that comment.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from it being irrelevant in this context and common knowledge?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are mistaking the possibility of consent for sound-of-mind consent. A 15 year old voluntarily engaging in such a relationship is certainly not old enough to make a 100% rational decision. But she can make a decision based on her personal impulses. A prepubescent girl cannot make such a decision because she has no sexual impulse at all.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:04:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most 12 year olds are pubescent is my point.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:42:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine taught 6th grade, and one day she sent a girl to the office to call home because the shirt she was wearing was sheer. When the girl's dad came to get her, he told my friend (the teacher) that she was just jealous of his daughter's figure and that's why she wouldn't let her wear a see-through shirt in class.
I think the assumption of jealousy actually indicates extremely disordered thinking.
SubLimerent ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:19:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, this is all true. he just neglected to mention the feelings for him are anger, hatred, disgust
nowbiff ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:44:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my former student's father was charged with assaulting a girl at the young age of 1. His excuse was that the child came on to him. You have to be a mentally ill person to think that way. Dear lord.
knullabulla ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:59:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to assume "/s" is short for "stab".
KP_Wrath ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:46:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, those adolescent hormones running wild. /s
HeihachiHayashida ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:50:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a podcast I listed to a while back where a detective was talking about a time he was interogating a man who molested his granddaughter, who was like 2. His defense was that she was "asking for it" because she crawled onto his lap. He lost control and beat the shit out of the guy, and not long after he quit the force because he realized he was too old, and couldn't control his emotions anymore.
Bobcatluv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to post this quote. This statement is how he revealed his guilt. A normal person in the middle of a misunderstanding about what was going on with the kid (mom imagining something that wasn't happening) would have just said, "No, I didn't touch that little girl!" This guy already tried to line up a defense of what he did in one statement.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PretttyHateMachine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was repeating it in a rage induced by this rapist's ridiculous "reason" for doing what he did. What the actual fuck. D:
moronicuniform ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They jump through all the mental hoops they can to convince themselves they're normal and the victim is willing.
They project their own sexuality onto a child, and the child is often too scared or trusting to resist.
Frigg-Off ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What really kills me is the guy hasn't been charged with anything yet and the police are investigating it as a "possible" rape case. Yeah, and it's possible their detective skills need some sharpening.
auguris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's frustrating to hear, but that's just legal talk. They aren't allowed to say anything definite until the case has been tried and the piece of shit convicted.
CaptnBoots ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would be surprised how many women actually think like this, though. It's insane.
the_shiny_guru ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:59:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong. That's probably part of the reason he used that excuse. Because blaming the woman (or girl in this case...) for a man being attracted to her is something that happens in society sometimes. He might even convince a few people who read this news article that she seduced him or something (probably a tiny minority, though.) It comes from both men and women. That's part of what people mean when they say rape culture.
It's not exactly uncommon unfortunately. But hopefully it's a shrinking minority. One of the worst things a parent can do is not protect their children when they're assaulted, but that doesn't mean it never happens.
Jorahsmustardsauce ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:44:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think like what??? That their daughter wanted to have a naked 31 year old man on top of her raping her?
Are you implying that a lot of women get jealous of their daughters when they get raped?
CaptnBoots ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:01:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm implying that women think they're daughters are trying to get the attention of their boyfriends. I have friends whose mom kicked them out because they were trying to "get to" the BF and it happened to my sister when she told my grandma that my grandpa was creeping on her while she was in the bathroom.
wereinaloop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's horrible. I've seen it happen quite a few times, too, from mothers, but also from friends, male or female. Sometimes it's easier to blame the victim rather face the fact that a person you love has done something you can't forgive. Defense mechanism I guess.
bardoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a mental illness that makes you think that people love you, even though they don't.
TiagoTiagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any evidence of that, or just her word?
OtherSpiderOnTheWall ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:02:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reading comprehension. The man is claiming he didn't do the things the girlfriend is accusing him of. He's saying the girlfriend, not him, thought her daughter had feelings for him.
The article lacks the necessary information to determine if he's lying or not. For example, if he was found naked (who has time to get dressed after getting stabbed a bunch of times), then his story has a huge gaping hole.
the_shiny_guru ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:03:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is something to be said about being skeptical of a 12 yos account of being raped and the things he said to her during. Skepticism itself is usually good, but... there is a point where it comes across as defense of the perpetrator and suggesting that he might be telling the truth does kind of feel that way.
OtherSpiderOnTheWall ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason the police are investigating. It seems likely the dude was lying. But the mother could also be straight up crazy. Might be good to rule that out before proceeding with charges - you want them to stick.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if he wasn't (and I sincerely doubt this) lying, itd still be statutory rape.
OtherSpiderOnTheWall ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem: you're assuming her story that he was on top of her is true. For his story to check out, that part must be false.
BlacktoseIntolerant ยท 4563 points ยท Posted at 14:42:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Folks, what this woman did isn't illegal.
Remember the guy that found a dude assaulting his daughter and literally beat him to death?
This type of force is legal when protecting another human being, especially a child, and even more so if you are the parents of that child.
EDIT: To clarify, maybe it isn't "legal", as these laws vary from state to state. I believe some actually have the fact that you can defend someone being assaulted by using force (even "excessive"), but apparently not all.
The fact that "might not be charged" tends to lend itself to the argument that she could be charged, which means the act itself isn't "legal".
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 984 points ยท Posted at 15:06:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The judge in that case also considered mitigating circumstances, in which the guy called an ambulance and cried on the phone to the dispatcher that he didn't mean to kill him. Then he provided first aid to the guy until the ambulance arrived.
Still, even without that, I doubt the guy would have been convicted, and I doubt this woman will be charged either. She's stopped her daughter from being raped. She's a hero.
[deleted] ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 15:46:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't express any opinions other than the following:
If you stab someone 5 times you should be processed. It isn't up to a cop to decide who was guilty of a crime. She should be charged with assault, because she assaulted someone. She can plead her case there. Letting the police decide is how you get small towns that let a kid go because the cop didn't think he meant to drive drunk and hit that lady. It's not their decision.
SweetNapalm ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:55:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. This is correct.
...Nobody was saying this, mate.
Cops arrest people so that that can be ascertained by other parties. Those are people usually suspected of or otherwise definitely doing something wrong.
scaper28 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah no jury would convict her.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:00:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then let the prosecuting attorney drop the case, it isn't the cops' call.
scaper28 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:01:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
true, wasn't saying you are wrong.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jesse9o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cop can also not arrest their friend's son for hit and run if they want, that doesn't make it right.
Cops are not judge, jury and executioner, their role is to arrest people who are suspected of committing crimes, and then it's up to the courts to find out if they did commit a crime or not.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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XboxNoLifes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:26:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, they do make decisions. Every time they approach someone it is a decision. But, when you know someone stabbed someone 5 times, you take them in, have them give a formal statement, and then diverge into procedures from there.
jesse9o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they can decide to give warnings, or overlook minor offences, but it's not their job to say whether someone has or has not committed a serious crime.
If someone stabs someone else repeatedly, you cannot overlook it. It has to be investigated, and the stabber has to be processed. Yes this situation is pretty clear cut, but others might not be.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legally though it is the cops call. That doesn't mean she won't be arrested later or charged.
Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:17:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just compared two different scenarios. Driving drunk should never be dismissed, however using whatever force necessary to defend your 12 year old daughter from a grown man assaulting her is definitely going to be overlooked.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say this was the same scenario at all. I said that allowing police to pick and choose which laws they want to uphold is a dangerous thing.
Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't explicitly or implicitly say they that. You straight up said it shouldnt happen. This is most definitely a time that it would be good practice and I'm sure 99% of the population would agree. YOU DON'T MOLEST PEOPLE. ESPECIALLY NOT CHILDREN.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying people should molest children? I am saying people shouldn't stab someone and then have no investigation on a single persons whim.
Put a ">" and then copy and paste where I said whatever you're saying I said.
Verizer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are implying they should arrest and investigate everyone for any reason. Arrest is often unnecessary. They can investigate people without putting them in jail. It's not a case where the charged is likely to run away or miss a court date.
Even then, its highly unlikely this would go as far as a jury trial. It would likely be just a judge and a few lawyers filling out paperwork in a room.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:38:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arrest/processing is not the same thing a imprisonment. It just the steps required to set a court date. Not every single person that is accused of a crime is in a jail right now.
Verizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just reread the comment chain...
You realize your interjection is entirely tangential to the topic? No one said the police should get to decide whether or not a case is processed.
You pretty much derailed the topic, no wonder there are so many confused comments in this tree.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is how message boards work. All my replies have been contained within my parent comment. If you don't care about the tangential conversation just minimize that portion of the thread.
I'm not really interested in the fact that someone stabbed another person so much as the philosophical/legal debate about whether it is the duty of police to uphold the law or decide what it is.
Verizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and? Most of these other people are not here for the
There here because they missed the topic change and thought you were advocating the police arrest the lady for protecting her daughter, like a bunch of robocops incapable of understanding context.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not my responsibility to ensure each and every person can understand context. I have to assume that people are reading the thread and not just individual responses, otherwise I'd be expected to explain the entire thread each response. In every case that I felt I had been misinterpreted I tried to clarify, and back up my claims. I don't see the problem with discussing this here.
Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:39:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said they should be arrested and investigated. Investigated, sure. Her daughter is the witness, an arrest shiuld be made only on the scum that assaulted the daughter.
wsteelerfan7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. He said they should be processed. In situations like these, you still need to go through proper procedures to make sure you don't end up letting someone go in the future in what looks like another clear-cut case. We have a prosecutor, judge and jury in our legal system for a reason. She still committed a crime (assault). It's up to the prosecutor to decide to take the case to court and the latter to decide if the act happened. If so, they can decide if it was justifiable.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is another word for arrested. Being processed through the system is the same thing.
Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go be a defense attorney. You make me sick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I never said that?
Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said no cop should make the decision and that it should be left to the attorney or w/e you know what you said. Don't try and wriggle free from it.
I'm done with you. I have better things to be doing right now. I will not respond to anything more you say. Toodles, Richard.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you're not making a good argument. You can just cut and paste what you're referring to if it actually happened. I can't defend myself against something you won't specify.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no law against self defense. You don't get processed for defending yourself. This is a pretty stupid argument.
MeeestaJones ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and let's arrest people who defend themselves when being mugged or having their homes burglarized, right? Where's the limit? Should the girl have been arrested if she was the hitting him while he was raping her? IDK where this happened but using force to defend yourself or family especially in your own home is pretty protected in my state.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police aren't the ones that decide if force is justified, a jury does.
If a police officer shoots someone should we just accept their word that it was self-defense? Hell no, it should be investigated.
If someone just shoots a guy and then calls the police, the police's job is to send it to the courts, not decide if the guy had it coming.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, a DA does. Police ARE the ones who decide whether to arrest or not at a crime scene. Initial decisions to arrest have no bearing on any further investigation and if the person is not a flight risk or a danger to others then there's no danger in not arresting them at the time of the incident.
There's literally no downside to letting this woman go about her life with her child.
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:50:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, the number of stabs is irrelevant. She stabbed him until he stopped raping her daughter. Whether it took 1 stab or 10 isn't the point.
Secondly, they don't have to process her, in fact arresting her when she has a young daughter who was just raped would be cruel. She needed to take care of her daughter, be with her at the hospital, etc.
Third, it's not up to the cops, it's up to the prosecutor. The cops will speak to the woman and her daughter and write their reports. The prosecutor will be informed and he may want to speak to everyone involved as well, and then he'll make the decision to charge her or not.
It sounds to me like the cops handled this properly.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Original_Gronkie ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:08:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once he realized he was beimg stabbed her went after her. They were able to shove him out the door, and then he kicked it in. He was a violent child rapist, and she was protecting her daughter and herself. What's so hard to understand?
So I'm an idiot and we're all retarded, but you are defending a violent child rapist? Do you really think you are on the right side of this?
rabitshadow1 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:06:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yup thats the narrative here. Trying to be rational and following the law is defending a child rapist
just put em all to death via horny lions, anything less is defending child rape
gotoucanario ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:54:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you had read the article you wouldn't come as an idiot or as defending the rapist by asking things that were explained there.
ParkingAnonymous ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:53:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand - what kind of message are you sending if you arrest and charge someone that was protecting a child? Standing up for your children that are actively being sexually assaulted will get you charged? Bad precedence.
superkp ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:08:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you are assuming that charges and trials are always put on in order to find someone guilty.
This isn't the case. It's to find the truth. In this case the truth is quite clear and while charges will be put forth, the truth is that the person committing assault (with a deadly weapon) was doing so in a perfectly legal manner. So, no punishment.
AND you reinforce a precedent of "people who protect their children from rape are allowed to assault the perpetrator, with prejudice"
Verizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Stupid media. Instantly arresting and charging anyone no matter the circumstances is dumb. Worse is how news media plays up anything they can for drama. They are charged? Assumed guilty by news. Always. What the change is doesn't even matter.
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're setting the precedent that if you physically attack someone you will have to justify it in court. Police are not judges and should not be given the authority to decide who is guilty or not.
AngriestSCV ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:37:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is plenty of evidence of what happened. If she was in the wrong they can charge here later. She doesn't need to be arrested on the spot for what seems to be a fully justified action stopping a sexual assault.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then she should try and get it on record as soon as possible. I'm not saying they need to hold her, just process her.
thedepartment ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:56:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she were charged with assault as you were saying in a previous post they would be required to hold her until a hearing where a judge can set bail or release her. If this happened on a Friday and Monday were a holiday she could be in jail for 4-5 days before being let go. If she works a full time job that has her working weekends she very likely could lose her job.
All for protecting a child.
When stuff like this happens it is going to be on record without needing her to be processed outside of what they learn at the scene and a field interview. If it later came back that she may have acted illegally they would have no problem arresting her at that point.
Cactusflowers48 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:44:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're saying that she should be in front of a court purely because she stabbed someone, then yes, that's going to happen. There's 0 way she'll not testify unless the guy says he did what he did, and then she was well within her rights to do what she did. So I don't understand putting someone in jail for doing something within their rights?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said she needs to be imprisoned, I said she needs to be PROCESSED. When you get a ticket, they process you then and there. You're expected to show up to court or pay the ticket.
There's a difference between ignoring something, processing someone, and imprisoning them.
Cactusflowers48 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:52:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is she didnt assault him, if you're saying the police just should not trust anyone's story and follow due process in court of law, sure that works but in a perfect society which doesn't exist. What do you mean by "processed". When you get a ticket they write you a ticket with a date to show up in court. Processed normally means you went into jail. I'm saying I'm 100 sure they're going to have an investigation, its a multiple stabbing, they don't just slap their hands and say "wrap it up boys!" immediately. Just what are they processing her for? She didn't commit a crime, and define processing for us.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you call stabbing someone 5 times?
I mean they should take note, and the prosecuting attorney should decide if the case has merit, not the police officer.
She did, she stabbed someone 5 times. That may have been self-defence (it pretty clearly is if the facts are true), but self-defence is something you argue with as an affirmative defense. You admit that you did the thing, but had good cause.
By processing I mean they should process her. They should take note of who she is, what she did, collect the evidence (the knife, blood, clothing). They should do their jobs. And then the prosecuting attorney and courts can do theirs.
Cactusflowers48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do those things man I don't know what you're on. There's a difference between assault and self defence, it's not assault if she was acting in self defense. Those are two completely different things. I even said it there but why do you think they wouldn't investigate this? IT'S A MULTIPLE STABBING they will 100 % investigate it. You're using poor terminology and arguing about literally nothing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
look at my other series of responses on this tree. I explain how self-defense is an affirmative defense, and not something you just say and walk away from the crime scene with.
wsteelerfan7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what everyone's problem here is. You're arguing that even a clear-cut case like this should follow standard procedures so they will not be able to set a legal precedent for future events. I don't get why people are arguing with you on this. We have procedures for a reason.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:11:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HolySheed ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:50:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police discretion just means the cop gets to decide whether to arrest you at the scene or not. It has nothing to do with a LEO deciding guilt. The word you're likely thinking of is prosecutorial discretion.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's exactly what went on in this case. The DA doesn't lose the ability to prosecute because there was no arrest at the time.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:24:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad comparison, just.... wow
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SlaveryNot arresting domestic abuse was a normal practice until we stopped doing it. Just because something is the norm doesn't make it the correct/moral thing to do.I changed slavery to DA because people were upset.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, why should someone doing exactly the same thing be treated differently? What makes person A deserve a warning but person B should get the max fine?
Because the cop doesn't like them?
Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First time offender vs many time offender. Age, experience. Some of the people in this thread blow my mind with how black and white they are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So someone that gets unlucky and does the same sets crime should be held to a higher standard than someone that got lucky?
Do we let people get out of contracts because of their age? Do we just ignore people's debt because of age? Why would age have anything to do with your decision making?
I'm not sure what you mean. Experience being arrested? In life? At their job?
Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A many time offender has had a warning. Doing it again literally makes them insane if they think it will have a different outcome and keep doing it.
Someone who's young is going to do stupid shit because kids will be kids. But now in today's world everything gets overblown. For example if kids in school got in a fight (not being bullied, thats different) they weren't reprimanded, rather they learned from that experience where now you can't even use self defense in school without being punished, you have to accept a beating if it's coming and if you can't run you're screwed.
Experience ties in to both.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And someone that just gets warnings but no citations has had warnings too. You don't know everyone's particular details, and neither does that cop.
Someone that is 18 is legally an adult. Adults are adults. Children's records get expunged, and have no bearing on this.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Insane - in a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction
Or
Shocking
Or
Outrageous.
Come at me bro.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt downvote you. I don't up or downvote ever. Stop being childish. I was referring to the actual definition of insane. Not the saying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sir_Gonna_Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, bye.
Inevitablename ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:17:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does she have to be charged with assault automatically? Prosecutors can exercise discretion, and the grand jury can decide whether to bring charges. She doesn't have to be charged with assault with zero regard for the circumstances, and then have to be defended. That's what happened in the TX father case and IMHO it was perfectly appropriate without an overabuse of judicial resources. You would need 10x the amount of lawyers you do today if you automatically charged every person who ever hurt someone with assault regardless of the results of the police investigation.
TheSchnozzberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. It's up to a jury of her peers. As long as it ain't composed of pedophiles I'm willing to bet she'll get annoy guilty verdict.
LucidLynx109 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:02:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be okay with this but only if they could do it without arresting her. The poor child needs her mother now more than ever. Arresting her would make a bad situation 10x worse.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think she should be processed but not processed?
LucidLynx109 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know the legal term, but they can take down her information without putting her in jail. She would be told not to leave until it's decided if there will be charges and from there she may have to appear in a trial. I think it is still legally classified as an arrest, but without the handcuffs and the night in jail. This happens all the time in home invasion cases were the home owner shoots the guy, for example. Still processed. I agree that due process is fundamentally important.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was getting at with my reply to you.
LucidLynx109 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I think I must have worded my initial comment poorly. I think there should be accountability still, just that police can choose to handle it gracefully in cases like these.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The police should be treating everyone the same. How many times have they got the WRONG person? They should be treated just as well as this lady, they didn't do anything wrong either. You can't pick and choose when it comes to enforcing the law and do it fairly.
LucidLynx109 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's ridiculous. Why not throw the 12 year old in jail too then? The article says she was involved in fighting over the knife too.
Police are given wide discretion in situations like this for reasons that should be obvious. Of course they also make the wrong call sometimes too. It isn't about picking and choosing where you enforce the law, it is about applying the law appropriately according to how the law is written. There is nothing illegal about removing the violent rapist from the home and putting him in jail and telling the mother she will have to come to court and leaving her at home to take care of her daughter. I can't believe you would advocate otherwise.
Rule1ofReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually called a written arrest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of making her bail like $1 or putting her on house arrest, but once again usually it takes a judge to make those sort of decisions.
J354 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally what the courts are for... Not to mention that we don't actually know the full story. It's very possible the guy got aggressive upon being found and the stabbing was self defence, but that is for the courts to decide.
mike_b_nimble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. When I took my concealed carry class they were very clear that if you shoot someone in self defense you should be fully prepared to be arrested and processed. It's the DA that decides whether or not you get charged with anything.
Kidneyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So instead of waiting to press charges until they've actually determined whether or not what she did is even assault you want them to further traumatize the child by arresting the person who protected her while also costing the mother her job by throwing her in jail? What exactly is the benefit here? Cuz I can see a lot of downside but literally nothing good about what you're suggesting. Hell, even the state suffers from this as it's a complete waste of time and resources to charge and prosecute someone when they haven't even done anything illegal.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP has a huge disconnect with how the legal system actually works and is trying to fix something that is obviously not broken for some weird reason.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it is. That decision can later be overturned, but the cop is the first person who makes a decision if someone should be charged. This happens every day in our legal system and it's the way it works.
A DA can always go back later and prosecute.
InvictusLovely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, police don't charge anyone with anything. Prosecutors do that if they believe they have a reasonable chance of winning the case. This is how Ohio handles these cases:
So basically, since she was in her own home, no prosecutor is going to pursue criminal charges because they would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she did NOT act in defense of her child, which they obviously can't do.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you assault someone EVER you should be processed. The number of stabbings doesn't matter. If you're truly using self-defense you can justify it in court.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more a matter of evidence. Prosecutorial discretion exists for a reason...they are allowed to look at a case and admit that pursuing it in court would be a waste of time and money, as it's just not at all likely that they would win. In a case like this, the cops will investigate and show their findings to a prosecutor who will likely say "there isn't a jury in this world who would convict" and leave it at that. Unless they find evidence that she was lying or things went down differently, she won't see the inside of a courtroom. And that's a good thing.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're missing my point. If you have a need to use self-defense it should be justifiable in court. It isn't up to a cop to decide. Their job is to process the parties involved.
I'm not saying you shouldn't blast someone's head off if they try and murder your family, I'm saying that after the fact you need to justify yourself to more than just a single police officer. They are NOT the judge or a jury of your peers.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may have missed a part of our Constitution that says people are innocent until proven guilty. You don't need to justify shit in court; the state needs to prove what you did was illegal. You very obviously have a very superficial understanding of the criminal justice system.
Jrquick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on the fence about this. The courts are pretty clogged up as it is and it does no one any favors to exasperate the problem. Plus then the mom is getting charged legal fees, missing work, and her children could end up in foster care until all is settled which could take years. Not to mention how bad foster care is and the chance someone attempts to adopt her daughter before she can settle everything legally.
All of that would be "punishment" for saving her daughter from a life threatening situation that could have scarred her for life.
Kalamazoohoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also costs the state time and money to prosecute. The DA usually takes into account the ability of a jury to find a defendent guilty of the crime they are accused of. If they don't believe a jury would be able to find her guilty then it would be a waste of time and money to prosecute. They could have a grand jury review the evidence and decide whether to indict her on the charges.
At least this is my understanding of it based of my limited knowledge of the whole process. Maybe someone with more knowledge could jump in and help me out?
Chronic_Bronchitis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my plan during a home invasion. Shoot to stop and provide first aid as necessary, but beyond that, you fucked up by entering my home with my kids and wife home. If I didn't kill you, feel lucky that's the worst that happened.
HappyHappyUnbirthday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the article says nothing about her charges. Only said theyre looking into the childs rape. I doubt she'll get anything.
AshingiiAshuaa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His child was being actively raped. Nothing else needs to be considered beyond that.
bumbumpopsicle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The outcome also depended on the state in which it is in. Texas juries would never convict for this.
nhorning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if she was charged, she couldn't be convicted in a jury trial without an unconscionable suppression of evidence.
welpthatducks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'd just say let a jury decide. Odds are they will side with her if they're even slightly human.
LA_SoxFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not by a jury of his peers
grafter8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sure showing immediate remorse and calling for help was a big factor in the outcome of his case.
InvictusLovely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was no judge in that case. The grand jury didn't even indict the father and he was never arrested.
From the article: "Under the law in the state of Texas deadly force is authorized and justified in order to stop an aggravated sexual assault or sexual assault," District Attorney Heather McMinn told reporters. "All the evidence provided by the sheriff's department and the Texas Rangers indicated that's what was occurring when the victim's father arrived at the scene," she said.
Doesn't matter that he called for an ambulance, that he didn't mean to kill him, or that he provided first aid. He still wouldn't have been charged with anything.
I don't always like my state, but in this case.. yay Texas!
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท -157 points ยท Posted at 15:17:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is not a hero. She is a shit parent who exposed her daughter to a sexual predator. This mother lacks the judgement to be a parent.
dengitsjon ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 15:24:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please, since you're so pro at identifying sexual predators, go out in public more and call the cops on anyone you judge to be sexual predators. You'll be a true hero.
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 16:00:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gastric_Blob ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 15:23:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because all sexual predators tell you what they intend to do once you get in a relationship with them. I'm sure he sat her down and told her he wants to rape her daughter and she totally agreed to it, right?
Stahner ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious right now?
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:46:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably. Had another dude yesterday tell me that treating all men like predators to try and keep yourself safe is dumb logic and that us women should just differentiate between good and bad people.
loki2002 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:56:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, she not talking about actually treating men like they're already sexual predators. She's talking about how a woman has to be on guard around unfamiliar, and even sometimes familiar, men. It's more like taking precautions to not be alone with them, know where the exit is, etc.
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for understanding. When women have such a problem with assault that we can get together in a group and trade stories about what has happened to us then you stop assuming every guy is ok.
I haven't had a horrible assault happen to me but I have woken up to a guy fucking me, after not talking about it all or telling him in advance it was ok. There's just sketchy stuff men don't seem understand is not ok.
ALS_to_BLS_released ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That SOME men don't seem to understand is not ok. The rest of us want nothing to do with those fucksticks.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:49:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GreyICE34 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But gosh, if you don't do that you're a "shit parent who exposed her daughter to a sexual predator".
insustainingrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not according to most reasonable people, which is why that commenter was massively downvoted. Let's not act like their attitude is mainstream in any way
Stahner ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:50:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well i dont know about treating all men like predators, that's generalizing a small % of thugs to the entire sex. No different than treating all muslims like terrorists, for example. But yeah it's certainty not the females fault.
00000000000001000000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goes back to the age-old question, "At what ratio, if any, is it acceptable to stereotype a population?"
nicedayfora ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:28:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an insane thing to say. You can't screen every person you meet for every possible intention they might have, that's impossible. She met a man, thought he was great (psychopaths can be very very charming and convincing) and when she realized he was engaging in sexual assault on her child she protected that child. She's not a shit parent. She did her best from beginning to end and that's what parenting is about.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 15:31:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the boyfriend's name is released, I bet he has some priors.
zeromoogle ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:47:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you done a background check on every girl/boyfriend you've ever had?
GreyICE34 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean he probably has.
He's also probably done zero background checks.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well look here, priors! He has a track record for violence.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
"He was convicted of aggravated assault in a 2011 Cleveland police case, and sentenced to one year of probation. Parks has other convictions for theft, felonious assault, failure to comply and drug trafficking, court records show."
scottdawg9 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't you warn us about Jared?! We could have used your unbelievably precise intellect!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:34:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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zeromoogle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. It's not like they all have white vans and wear pedo-staches.
TheOwlSaysWhat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, one is bad enough. But how did you know four of them?
TheOwlSaysWhat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:30:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know how most people don't find "The One" the first time they try dating? Or how most relationships, let alone marriages, don't make it? That's because you don't really know someone until you've been around them long enough. People put on all sorts of shows to send you good signals in the beginning.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 15:33:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a criminal record search on someone you bring into your home?
Chewy12 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:37:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL not doing a background check on everyone who enters your home makes you a shit parent.
Even though you don't even know that this guy has any priors.
NO-CONDOMS ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:53:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude just stop you have no idea the situation. Please stop making assumptions. Even if you were "right" and he does have priors that doesn't make her a shit parent.
Either way that's your opinion that she's a shit parent. It's insensitive, unthoughtful and just plain stupid considering you have NO idea the circumstances and yet you still defend this claim like you are sure that it's true.
If you're trying to just argue then just a choose a different topic because you were already very very wrong as soon as you made your first point.
Just be fucking decent.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you let a felon having a rap sheet that includes convictions for assault be around your child?
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
This woman allowed literal documented human garbage in to her home and we are supposed to pretend that there were no warning signs that a violent man would commit violent acts?
How is this not textbook negligence?
NO-CONDOMS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp he doesn't have that plastered on his forehead. If she knew this about him it would be different but she didn't. If you look up every person you spend time with to see if they are a felon then that's really something. Might be a bit paranoid and obsessive but either way you can't expect everyone to do that and calling them a shitty parent for not doing that is just fucked up. Nobody's perfect.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She sure as hell should not be hailed as a hero. The mother's negligence set in to motion trauma that her daughter will live with for the rest of her life.
NO-CONDOMS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me and I don't know what anyone else thought but she did what she had to do in that situation. I'm sure she blames herself even though this man could've seemed very normal and it could've happened to anyone. Please just change the way you think you're so terribly insensitive, judgmental and cruel.
You act like we're not fucking human dude. We make mistakes. It's hard to find someone's real self especially if you have feelings for that person. People can go their entire lives in a relationship to only find out the wife has been stealing from them for thirty years. It's hard to tell.
I feel bad for you. The lack of empathy you show is just cold. You understand the two people most fucked yo by this are the daughter AND the mother. Please take a look at yourself, if this happened to people you love I doubt you'd be so cold about it and if you would I feel even worse for you.
TheOwlSaysWhat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:51:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming background checks are your go-to for bringing someone into your life, that might not be enough. The checks might even inadvertently backfire because then your guard will be down.
Some people who do bad things haven't gotten caught before. An example is in this thread, the 18 year old from Florida that got caught messing with his 12 year old family friend before that younger kid's dad beat the shit out him.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This man has a history of violence. It was irresponsible for this mother to bring him in to her house around her child.
"He was convicted of aggravated assault in a 2011 Cleveland police case, and sentenced to one year of probation. Parks has other convictions for theft, felonious assault, failure to comply and drug trafficking, court records show."
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, there is no fool-proof. However, I think more likely than not, a 31 year-old pervert would have some baggage following him that would be picked up by a background check.
miqotes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen you answer the question anywhere so do you perform background checks on everyone in your life that you know?
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Background check on anyone who has a key to your home.
chaos0510 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly Occam's Razor is not your strong suit, so you've settled for a plastic spork
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:16:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even a fork or a spoon. I'm the bastard love child of their unholy union.
bobby123bobby123 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:28:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your a moron
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem judgemental enough for all of us.
SuperSecretGunnitAcc ยท 1136 points ยท Posted at 14:54:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, usually lethal force is only allowed to defend your own life or the life of another person, but in many cases lethal force (whether it be with a gun, knife, etc) is also allowed to stop a sexual assault.
Gratha ยท 581 points ยท Posted at 15:04:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The justification being there's no expectation for you to ascertain if assault is the only thing on the assailants mind. Assault can always lead to murder especially if the perp is trying to conceal the act.
Slim_Charles ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 15:29:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my state at least, rape is considered a forcible felony, and liable to cause great bodily harm. Even without the risk of death, the crime is severe enough to warrant lethal force in order to stop or prevent it.
bl0odredsandman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. At work we go through firearms training and in the class they teach you that rape is legal cause for you to use lethal force if necessary.
onemessageyo ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:19:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. For all you know her was gonna kill the girl after. No telling what someone that far from the rules would do
madbubers ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:55:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially after he was caught...could've been a double murder....
hoxtea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad it wasn't. Should have murdered the boyfriend, spent years learning the necromantic arts to rip his screaming soul back from the depths of hell, just to murder him a second time.
MinecraftHardon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:29:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Someone that can justify the rape a kid probably isn't too far off from being able to justify the murder of a witness. I'd feel like I was in danger.
lejefferson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:07:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean walking down the street eating cotton candy CAN always lead to murder. By that logic you just justified killing literally anyone. Welcome to America. Shoot first. Ask questions later.
TheElderNigs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh, that doesn't really make sense. Most people who have have committed a crime would try to conceal it, no?
357Magnum ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 15:04:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually deadly force is ok to prevent reasonably certain death or great bodily harm. Rape, especially of a child, is definitely capable of causing great bodily harm, so deadly force is likely justifiable.
thenatureboy_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I might be mistaken, but some states recognize use of deadly force to stop a forcible felony, which child rape would also fall under. Pretty sure FL is like this.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
USS_Aayhan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know about Florida, but it works that way in Alabama.
MostAwesomeRedditor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In some states, like Florida, you or the person you're defending does not have to be in life threatening danger. You can kill a robber or burglar for example.
WhereIsYourMind ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:37:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That extends from castle doctrine, where it's assumed that if somebody is breaking into your property ("castle"), they have malicious intent and force is warranted.
There have been a few cases where a criminal was shot as he/she ran away, and castle doctrine was no longer a defense. So it has some stipulation.
MostAwesomeRedditor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:42:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody can kill fleeing suspects. That's a different situation. Supreme Court ruled that in the 80s.
loki2002 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas it is legal to shoot trespassers on sight. I don't think there is an exception on which way they're facing at the moment.
Praticality ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:51:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why people always say this. Texas has some pretty lenient laws for using deadly force, but you cannot shoot someone for JUST trespassing. You can however shoot someone in defense of property or persons, just not if they hop your fence or something. https://www.google.com/amp/kxan.com/2015/01/05/when-youre-allowed-to-shoot-in-texas/amp/
superkp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing texas, I don't think there's going to be a need for a second shot after the first one lands.
Dinosauria_Facts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't allowing shooting burglars/trespassers on sight be more dangerous than when they didn't?
I mean the intruder is much more likely to be violent if he knows he can get shot/stabbed the moment he's spotted.
This would make it so you either shoot the criminal or you get shot since he's not fucking around.
MellowHallow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. That's the problem with these kinds of laws. They escalate the situation before it's even started.
Incidentally this is basically the argument for a (mostly) unarmed police force, that if the criminals know regular cops don't have guns, they feel less inclined to get or use one themselves. Hard thing to implement though.
BLMdidHarambe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to the cops. Not all cops, but the cops. You know the ones.
TalShar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault is included in the "weapons free" clause of a lot of states' definitions, as well, so that bears considering.
Edit: Why downvote? It's just a statement of fact.
Canadia-Eh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo, can we burn him at the stake yet?
Cinnadillo ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:06:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I consider it a form of the same. Once you're in a fight you're in a fight
Whind_Soull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:08:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In many places, lethal force is also legal to prevent arson. Presumably since arson can be seen as a lethal threat to everyone in the area.
frnzwork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not all jurisdictions allow it for other individuals
nascentia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, deadly force (or threatening deadly force) is usually allowed to protect your life, to protect yourself from getting SERIOUSLY injured, to protect someone else's life, or to prevent a forcible felony.
Florida's deadly force statute, for example:
And for those curious, a forcible felony is:
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it still legally justified if it's excessive where you could have stopped but continued the beating? Because there was a homeowner that killed two burglars trespassing, but he carried it out over maybe twenty minutes and got charged for being unnecessary death and excessive
umbeliebable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its whats called a legal "grey" area. Not really a great position to be in either way and comes down to whether or not the locals are convinced by your story. You can defend yourself but your going to to be scrutinised for it. Better to be paying lawyers to keep me out of jail than six feet under imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. It's defenitely illegal. The moment you realize that there's no threat anymore you're not covered by self-defence laws anymore. As far as I know that's the law pretty much everywhere. In some cases you might also have the right to arrest the attacker (i.e. hold them until the police arrives) but if in that case the limitations on your actions are typically even stricter.
It can however be quite hard to prove that you knew that the danger was over.
In /u/deftones1 scenario the question is mostly whether there's a confession or some other conclusive evidence. If you admitt that you continued hitting someone because you wanted to hurt them you'll be found guilty. If you're smart enough to say that you weren't sure whether you had rendered the attacker immobile you should stand a decent chance of getting off.
umbeliebable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as your at risk of great bodilly harm you can protect yourself with a gun. I wasnt talking about if you were to tie someone up and shoot them later on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think them being unconscious would count, too...
donjuansputnik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it wasn't legal, good luck getting a jury to believe it wasn't justified.
TalShar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno how it is elsewhere, but here in NC and most southern states of the US we have what we call the "Lethal Trifecta." If you have reasonable cause to believe that someone is about to murder, inflict "grave bodily harm," or sexually assault yourself or someone in your presence, lethal force is authorized.
TheConesofDunshire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just ask Landry
mspk7305 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In much of the Southwest it's legal to use lethal force to stop a capital crime, including burglary of a property you don't own.
Not saying that's a good reason to bust a cap into someone, just that it's legal.
renegadecanuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, there's prosecutor/police discretion. Even if something violates the letter of the law, the prosecutor can decide "yeah, I'm not trying this", or the cap can decide "I'm not going to arrest you for this".
blackleaf31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is not correct. The courts have repeatedly recognized "grievous bodily harm" as sufficient to use lethal force. Rape or attempted rape has also been repeatedly found to fall within the scope.
USS_Aayhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my state, lethal force is permissible to prevent death or seriously bodily harm, or to prevent the use of a weapon in commission of a felony.
ManyPoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're police then you just need to remember the magic phrase "I feared for my safety"... just wait for them to move an arm or something and just unload!! Empty that clip into their chest! Then just cuff the body and repeat the magic incantation as often as necessary. If you make sure people see you, you can even get a paid vacation from work!
SuperSecretGunnitAcc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how the standard. It's not just "I feared for my life" it's "I reasonably feared for my life." If the average person would not have reasonable feared for their life in a situation then a killing is not supposed to be ruled justified (though things don't always work out that way on the ground, like in Philando Castile's case).
roberthunicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care if it's legal or not. If someone ever sexually assaults my family, friends... or really anyone and I catch them, they will die. That would be worth going to prison for, imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault is always a threat to someone's life. You don't know what kind of diseases a person has, and they may not know either. And if they get someone pregnant, complications could kill them.
TechyDad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very least, the judge would likely take into account your mental state at the time. If I saw someone sexually assaulting one of my sons, I wouldn't exactly be in a rational state of mind. I'm pretty nonviolent most of the time, but I think seeing that would flip me into a "kill with my bare hands" mode.
rlpaty85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas (as of 2010 at least) it was legal for someone to use lethal force in defense of yourself, others, your property, or the property of others. I was armed security for a little while and they made it clear its wasn't the company's policy to kill, but it would be allowed under Texas law.
fraulien_buzz_kill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In some states it's also legal to defend against severe injury.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some states say you're allowed to use lethal force is its to prevent a felony.
TheOilyHill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
female can go straight to lethal force when in danger, while male have to response with equal force, according to my ltc instructor. So
OrphanStrangler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deadly force is always ok when preventing sexual assault
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SuperSecretGunnitAcc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how to break it to you, but you're just flatly wrong. I know for a fact that you can use lethal force to stop a sexual assault in NC and I've heard the same thing from people from other states as well.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SuperSecretGunnitAcc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly? I'm not sure what your point is. Having to prove, potentially to a jury of your peers, that a homicide you committed is justified is not the same as it being "not legal" like you originally said.
kuzinrob ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:07:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or this example
https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticePorn/comments/2oqv1l/a_father_reshapes_a_molesters_face
bareblasting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Florida man ftw
TDIMike ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful about making broad assumptions like that. Legality in one state doesn't automatically carry to another.
DDRDiesel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In most states, self-defense is classified as "defense of a first (self) or third (other person) party in the case of immediate danger of physical harm from another party". So it should be safe to assume that she'll be let go on those grounds, also temporary insanity in that she walked in on her boyfriend on her daughter and just fucking lost it
coolinfarrell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In common law at least, it's voluntary manslaughter rather than murder if 1. a reasonable person would do it (as in what made the defendant do it would enflame a reasonable person) and 2. It fell into one of the "adequate provocation" categories: battery, mutual combat, illegal arrest, witnessing adultery, and witnessing the injury or abuse of a family member.
That's only for states that don't have their own specific statue regarding voluntary manslaughter. Not sure if it applies in this case but if so, the mom definitely is in the right.
tj111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohio in general is pretty lenient as it relates to self-defense laws. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty confident that there's 0 chance this mom gets charged.
zeonchar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd still rather be wrong later than be raped/killed/assaulted or have another raped/killed/assaulted.
There's a saying in the military that goes, "Better to be judged by 12 than buried by six."
cinred ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. She should have called the police and let the system work so that he could be out again in 3 years to rape her daughter again at 15.
And dont try to tell me that is not likely to happen.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BlacktoseIntolerant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true and you raise a good point. If the actual act is "legal", shouldn't that mean it would be impossible to file charges for you doing that act?
I wonder where the "legal" and "would not get charged" lines cross on this one.
livingdead191 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I'd have done the same or worse to that piece of shit.
RedDevilNight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Articles like this warm the heart (as a father of two young girls, I say that with all sincerity).
perplex1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. And I understand the father's perspective completely. Our daughter's are everything to us -- as in, my world would end if anything happen to my daughter.
So for this guy to see some POS on his daughter and she in distress? I'm 100% positive he went insane for a brief moment -- adrenaline and rage at the utmost extreme levels, which led to the guy's death. It wasn't until he came back to his senses and became rational once again that he understood he murdered this guy.
SomeDEGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And lets be honest, even if the prosecutor decided to pursue it no jury would ever convict.
WildTurkey81 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of a friend of a friend once got away with stabbing his Pakistani girlfriend's father to death after finding out that he was beating and raping her for going out with an Englishman.
After confronting him and warning him to stop, the father taunted him about how he couldnt stop him and that hed do it all he wanted. In a fit of rage he stabbed him to death.
He was on remand for it and was going down for it, until news reached back to Pakistan and three women who as children were continuously abused by the father flew out here on their own money to testify against him, which helped this dude's case. Got off on a suspended sentence or something like that. That was back in the 90s.
SwingYourSidehack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Law student here so take it with a grain of salt, but when we went over a case similar to this (except the father killed the rapist) my professor said the highest any rational prosecutor would go is manslaughter. There's no way to convict someone for first or even second degree murder in a situation like that; most judges would overturn it.
White_T_Poison ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the courts interpret it that way.
vulgarswamiyako ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you say "especially a child" are there legitimate laws towards that or does it just affect them worse in court
Slim_Charles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you sexually assault a minor it falls under the category of aggravated sexual assault, which tends to carry a much harsher sentence. At least, that is how it works in my state.
studentofapassedlife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a difference if the "protection" is occurring mid-act versus post-act as in this case?
Anivair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, one of those fun times when legal and ethical happen to intersect nicely.
SolidMindInLalaLand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it wasn't legal I would hope a jury has enough sense to clear her of all wrongdoing and put the man in jail for rape, 2 counts of assault, child endangerment, child pornography, and whatever else can be thought up to put him away for a long time.
Pippysnippy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so don't break out the knives yet.
kmlaser84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: Don't get your legal advice from Reddit. Laws describing when and how you can defend yourself and others can be VERY different from State to State...
cuntsaurus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Sucks she will probably still be booked and have to go through a civil suit, but it should all work out for her in the end.
Slim_Charles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is considered a forcible felony, especially when it involves a child. In most states that means that if you witness someone in the commission of such a crime, you can legally use lethal force to make them stop.
nomfam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worth noting that in most states the laws pertaining to how you are allowed to use a gun inside your house, for self defense, vary greatly if a child is in another bedroom or somewhere in the house and you THINK that the child might be in danger. It's pretty much open shooting season at that point if a home invader is inside your house.
DaggerMoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy that walked in on his girlfreind being raped. He beat the guy mentally retarded. Like he fucked his head up for life. The rapist then treid to sue the guy, but failed.
Meangunz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that I think might end up being bad for the woman is the fact that she stabbed in the back of the head. Hopefully circumstances shows that it was necessary, but a back of the anything wound can be view as someone fleeing and being attacked.
JeepNaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not, if he is on top of someone, His back would be to you. No fleeing involved.
Meangunz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but the defense could play that angle and say he wasn't at the time of that injury. Hopefully not
MLein97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless if she premeditated it, in which case it would be an issue, like setting a boobytrap or purposely getting her daughter in this situation, but that does not seem to be the case here at all.
Rhamni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Perfectly appropriate, and a shame he didn't die and save the taxpayers some money.
filladellfea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's state law - you should make sure that Ohio has a similar law to Texas before using that as an example as to why it's not illegal. Just saying.
flynnsanity3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a huge relief. The article saying that she hadn't been charged made me think that the police might be considering charging her.
_Nicktheinfamous_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was in Texas. This is Ohio.
bronabas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was in Texas. We donโt fuck around down here on self-defense/defending your family. I hope Ohio shows the same level of Justice in this particular circumstance.
logicthug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This situation is specifically stated in Arizona law as a justifiable reason for use of deadly force. Doesn't even have to be a parent.
cybercuzco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's technically not legal, but no jury in the world would convict, so it's a waste of prosecutorial resources.
CGY-SS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said this in a similar thread last week and I'll say it again: Ain't a jury in the world.
Khayrian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also find it strange that nowhere in the article does it say "self defense" rather than "fit of rage" several times. The guy assaulted her daughter, grabbed the mother by the neck, lacerated her and her daughter's hands with wounds, and kicked the door down once she finally got him out of the house.
Hollirc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better to be judged by a jury of peers than buried by a gathering of family.
BlueBanksWC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't care for a moment, before, during or after, about the legality of it. One of us wouldn't leave the room (edit) breathing.
(Even a corpse leaves the room eventually)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent take.
Badboyinfinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if she is charged, there's a lot more knowledge these days regarding "nullification".
GGBurner5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If (and that's a big if) they charge her with anything, I expect we'll see another good case of jury nullification.
Even if she had no defense, you're going to have a hard time finding twelve people that will convict her.
Ihavebadreddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this falls under the "if you ever find yourself in the situation its worth the jail time" concept. Besides self defense during a rape is okay, but not if its your child? That's madness! If she had premeditated it would of been a bigger knife not a pocket knife. She might have grabbed a gun.. This sick fuck deserved worse. The woman should get a free pass to stab him a few more times in my book
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, the woman shouldn't talk to the cops at all and only talk to a lawyer from here on out.
Don't talk to the cops people.
thecatalyst25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great, so can she now go back and finish the job ?
TrueGlich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defense of others is always a sticky situation . if she could him in the act and just reacted ya shes most likely in clear. Any sort or pre-mediated revenge and its a no go..
Well_Jung_One ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if the was illegal it was still TOTALLY worth it. They'd just have to fucking charge me. I'd make fucking sure the dude was not alive to testify, though.
NCHippy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using a knife in my state would be illegal. Especially if he died. Shooting the bastard would not be illegal. That said, it's unlikely anyone would be charged with the crime of stabbing the bastard.
There is such a varying degree of legality when it comes to defending yourself and others.
MusicMagi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has a daughter, I'm thankful to know this is a thing.. just in case.
hurxef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal or not, I would think the prosecutor wouldn't pursue the car if they didn't think they could find a jury that would convict her, right? IANAL.
mrpeppr1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention no jury would convict even if it went to court. It would be a waste of time for the da to recommend charges and would be bad press for reelection if the sheriff arrested her. Literally no one wants to arrest, try, or convict her, which speaks volumes to how fucked up this guy is.
RobotCockRock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad he wasn't charged with anything. I think we'd all do the same if we were in that position. Can you get away with that if you're not in Texas like he was though?
Redditornumbertwenty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it is legal in Utah. The laws for protecting others says that if the offender is committing a felony when you are defending yourself or another, lethal force is legal.
SirFireHydrant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've got to think a competent lawyer could get manslaughter charges with no prison time, but maybe court mandated therapy. Any reasonable human could get violent if they saw someone assaulting their child.
merme91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I was scrolling down trying to find out what could happen to the woman. I was so worried she'd end up in prison and had leave her daughter alone. I hope she won't be convincted and they can work through this together, it's horrible.
1st_horseman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is "legal"? It's basically what a jury won't convict you for. If there was video footage of the guy putting his hands up, then shooting or stabbing him after that is going to be murder. In cases where there is no clear cut evidence you will likely not get charged. Also hopefully you didn't say anything to the cops like "he deserved it, I'm glad I stabbed him" etc.
There was a case where store owner shot a guy for robbing a store but thief was on the ground with his hands up and was convicted. It's difficult to say what anyone will do in the rage of the moment but it's tricky legal ground.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the first story I thought of when I saw the thread title
nocomment_95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IANAL but self defense is an affirmative defense which means you admit to committing assault, a crime, but argue you should not be found guilty because you were defending your daughter. You still need to get charged with assault to raise this as a defense.
Oakwood2317 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the DA has to take into account whether or not a jury will convict someone for killing the person abusing their child, especially if done in their presence. Most people, myself included, would probably be inclined to acquit someone with those charges. I have no sympathy for those who take advantage of people weaker than them-none.
Firebelley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good thing about the US justice system is you can break a law without a doubt, black and white case closed and the jury can still decide not to convict. If the jury feels as if you breaking a law was justified then they can acquit.
anothercarguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
defense of a 3rd party from the commission of a felony. Even in California, justifiable homicide
zeonchar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cops are also allowed to shoot to kill in the cases of rape or threatened rape.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justifiable Homicide
Zkenny13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say it's legal. But I would definitely say it's not illegal.
joemaniaci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if not the case, should be easy to get off for temporary insanity.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it isn't illegal it'll be tough to find a jury that'll actually convict you of anything.
MoreBeansAndRice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck finding a jury who will convict.
insidezone64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part of that case was when a reporter asked the local sheriff if he was going to charge the father. He just smirked at the camera, and said, "No."
ScottyDetroit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it were illegal I think an appropriate sentence would be 10 hours of community service, with a one-hour credit for the time spent stabbing the guy.
Resipiscence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's discuss lethal use of force. Note: I just reviewed my states laws, but yours may be different.
First: nobody has the obligation to allow another to harm them or other people.
You can use force, lethal or not, to prevent that harm.
The challenge, of course, is to correctly define 'harm' and determine the appropriate amount of force. If somebody calls your mom fat, you may feel harmed, but nuking the city in response is generally seen as way to much force in reaction.
Gotcha: that force USED doesn't have to kill the other person to be lethal force. I shoot you, but you don't die, still lethal force, just not lethal outcome. Thus many actions may be use of lethal force even if you aren't using a gun or knife. Pick up a rock? Could be lethal. Trip you off a curb? Could be lethal. Hit you with a stick? Could be lethal. Am a 250 lb weightlifter hitting a 98 lb man? Could be lethal. The point I'm making is 'what is lethal force' is a criminal justice judgment call.
Ok, so if I have the likelihood of causing death (or serious bodily harm is usually attached), when can I do that harm?
In general, when people's bodies are being damaged, or are about to be, you can use force. If the damage is likely to be significant, you can use significant force. In this case, rape of a minor is pretty significant physical damage, so using pretty significant force is legal, thus stabbing the man is OK.
Gotcha: Usually, damage or theft of physical property isn't considered enough harm to justify lethal force. So, a shoplifter can be physically restrained, but you can't shoot a shoplifter. Usually.
Gotcha: remember how enough force to be considered lethal is a judgment call? It has to be made twice, once by you (if considering using force) and again by the police/courts. Big man, but not 250 lb trained fighter, hitting smaller man, but not 98 lb weakling? Is it worthy of lethal force or not? You get to decide in the heat of the moment, and if you hit/shoot/stab, well, the court/jury may get to decide also and God help you if they decide different than you did.
Gotcha: OK, so if somebody is actually doing harm to another, it's pretty clear the only issues are around if the harm was enough to justify the forced used. But... What if the actual harm hasn't started yet? If the mom was in the room and the guy yelled 'I'm going to rape this kid!' the mom shouldn't need to wait until actual rape was happened to act with rape-appropriate force. So, defining 'about to happen' is a judgment call that gets made twice, once by you and again by the law.
Resipiscence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: too long for reddit, part II
'immanent' can be a really slippery concept. For example, if a person yells 'I'm getting my gun from my truck and I am going to come back and kill you all' are you justified in shooting that person dead as they leave the room? Many court battles have been fought over this kind of thing.
Ok, next question: if you feel a level of force is acceptable and needed, when do you have to stop using force?
In general, it is acceptable to use appropriate force until the harm (or potential harm) has been stopped or prevented. So the mom was using appropriate levels of force to stop a rape, but if she continued to stab the man after he stopped raping, she is illegally using force and could end up charged but assault with a deadly weapon.
Gotcha: I know, you saw this coming. When the hell is harm 'stopped'? Judgement call, made twice by you and the law. If the guy kept raping but was yelling 'I'm stopping' is different than if he stops, gets off the child, curls up into a ball, and screams 'no no no stop oh God I'm sorry' Here too many court battles have been fought about when the use of force should have ended. Many people, lawfully using force to stop legit harm, have gone to jail for illegally harming the bad guy after its 'over' but they get in one more punch, or stab one more time, or finish with a curb stomp of a downed opponent (which may feel satisfying and look good in Hollywood productions but is not in the real world).
When it's over is a really sticky question, and the second judgemental call by the court/jury happens in a sterile, calm room well after the fact, informed only by boring and fragmented testimony. Very little weight can be given to the emotional and chemical/hormonal experience of being involved in the use of force... And in the heat of the moment when you can even realize it's 'over' can be very different than a jury might Monday morning quarterback the even, especially if there was a struggle and you were getting hurt while hurting the other.
OK, because thus wasnt complex enough...
Gotcha: who started it matters, as does who kept it going. If you initiated by calling somebody else ugly, and they react, you can't suddenly realize they are so scary that you felt immanent threat of serious bodily injury and then shoot them in self defense. In general, the acceptability of use of force hinges on you not initiating, or even not escalating or continuing (somebody calls you ugly, you respond by calling them a Nazi = you escalated/continued the altercation). This gets complex in the real world. Did you follow somebody because they were suspicious? That can be interpreted as initiating if the person you follow reacts leading to a use of force. Yes, this should sound familiar from a huge news story a while back.
Gotcha: remember how usually a property harm doesn't justify lethal force? Not if it's big enough. Shoplifting a watch isn't, but robbing a bank vault is. Size of harm matters, and they way this usually translates into criminal law is something like lethal force is acceptable to stop felony crimes, but not misdemeanor crimes'. In other words, I could be permitted to use lethal force to stop an immanent kidnapping (felony) but not an actually occurring misdemeanor assault. Yes, you read that right, if you want to use force, especially lethal force, you need two judgement calls about the type of harm/crime that's happening... You then the court.
So, lethal force is often very legal. But it is never easy, and things that can seem right can be incredibly illegal, and vice versa.
Some side observations: every time we, as a society, create a new criminal felony or upgrade a misdemeanor crime to a felony, we are in essence saying 'if a person does this, it is so bad it will be OK to kill or try to kill a person doing this thing in order to stop them' which is a frame we rarely put on discussions about crimes. It's enlightening to look at crimes that we consider felonies and ask if you feel death is OK to prevent the crime.
Final observation: no duty of retreat / castle doctrine is not evil pro-death law but enshrining certain judgment calls into law.
In general, castle doctrine is a legal way of saying 'if somebody enters your home against your will and you are there, there are no judgment calls about if they were there to do significant and immanent harm. By default, they were, so if you decided to use force or lethal force we will go with your decision and not allow the court to choose differently'... A very different frame than can be presented in the press by anti-castle-doctrine people.
Same with duty to retreat. A duty to retreat adds a other court judgment call, which is 'well, no matter what else, could you have run away instead of using force? If so, your use of force was illegal.' it might be argued, for example, that the mom should have screamed 'stop raping my little girl' and then fled to call the police instead of stabbing the man, as stabbing risks death and rape just risks you having been raped (unlikely you end up dead) which is an evil, but lesser evil than dead people.
In case its not obvious, I'm very pro-castle doctrine and against duty to retreat. It makes what is already a hard series of choices to make almost impossible to make, and so denies you what we started with, which is 'nobody is obligated to allow harm to happen'
starbuckroad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Cleavland is a shithole, remember the dude that had a girl prisoner in the basement? This kind of behavior is what makes me not want a hyper loop going from Columbus to Chicago. Columbus will end up being as bad as Cleavland. The right to self defense though is what makes America better and different than most nations. In the UK the mom would be going to jail. Likely if she gets to a higher court she'll certainly walk.
Workout_Ham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The story you linked. States under Texas law not federal law
horsenbuggy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the article, this turned into a very violent fight between the mother and boyfriend. He threw her up against a wall and then kicked down the front door after she locked him outside. When all is said and done, it probably will turn out to be a case of her defending herself, not just attacking her daughter's attacker.
838h920 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's due to "insanity" plea. Someone who arrives at a scene like this won't think straight, thus it's impossible to hold him accountable for what happened.
You're not allowed to do this, but they can't punish you either.
shokalion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I think the US judicial/police system has its problems, this is the sort of thing where they often will do the right thing.
If this was in the UK, even with that linked example, I wouldn't want to say with any confidence that the father, or the mother in OP's example wouldn't end up with some sort of criminal sentencing.
Fucked up, but there it is.
anon33249038 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly "legal" in the strictest sense. It is a homicide and the police can charge you with homicide and more than likely will. But self-defense or defense of another is considered justifiable homicide. It's a legal affirmative defense. More than likely this case will never see the inside of a courtroom because the DA will see it for what it is.
Dj_HuffnPuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas, I believe you have the legal right to shoot someone if you catch them in the act of raping another person.
jadenPete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:52 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it would be the same if that dude assaulting his daughter was a female and his daughter was his son.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not nescessarily legal, but Judges rarely.go forward with charges under these.circumstances
never_fucking_giveup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's is what happened.... We don't know we weren't there
Daghi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more a legal grey area, but it doesn't matter, no jury in the world would convict her.
FrenaZor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, when the mother came home, her boyfriend probably stopped touching the daughter. In the article it doesn't say that she stabbed him while he was raping her.
If she stabbed him after the rape was over, my opinion is that it is excessive force, even if he deserved it.
cowbey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even imagine the emotional scars the father will carry with hi to the grave. I hope both father and daughter have good counselors.
religiousaftermath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not legal. I agree with that man not going to jail. This mother will probably go to jail for her actions though, the tolerance for males acting violently to protect their offspring is much higher than the tolerance for women acting violently to protect their kids. The only chance for someone to react aggressively like this and get away with it is if it is the father. That said this mother's actions probably preserved her daughter's mental health to some extent. Mom will likely pay the price here (and in so doing will likely undo some of the damage, her daughter will know that just as someone was willing to do incredible harm to her, someone else was willing to pay an incredible price for her), but the daughter will be as well off as she can be considering what was done to her.
gotoucanario ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she wasn't protecting another human being here? Alright I guess.
ask_your_mother ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:02:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if I found my kid losing a fight at school? Could I beat the crap out of the other kid?
stoopidmonstr ยท 843 points ยท Posted at 15:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked..."
I mean, that's a bit of an overreaction. She's gonna go to jail for sure.
"...on top of 12-year-old daughter, reports say"
Yeaaah... Fuck that guy. Stab him a bit more.
rel_games ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab him a few times for me!
SimpleDan11 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:30:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey everyone! Come here we're stabbing this guy! Come stab him!"
stab
RegulusMagnus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:25:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"My knife for Aiur!" -Zeratul
rossco311 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I've ever had such a strong change in reaction while rolling through a sentence before...
DMann420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch.
tryanewmonicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After he heals. Then keep stabbing. Then let those heal. Then more stabbies.
tehmooch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coat the knife in salt, and twist it.
petrichor8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, same exact right process went through my head too, glad I'm not the only one!
-CrestiaBell ยท 411 points ยท Posted at 15:10:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And she stopped
I cannot stab someone like this enough if he were anywhere near my daughter
CannedCheese006 ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 15:44:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"COME BACK TO LIFE SO I CAN STAB YOU AGAIN!"
Type of rage
Edit*
I was picturing the scene in Attack on Titan where young Erin goes stab crazy saving the girl.
-CrestiaBell ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:53:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab stab stab stab stab stab stab
Axiomiat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why you stab limbs and less vital areas. They get all the pain and plenty of time to feel it. Then they get to serve time and feel shame(hopefully). Lethal stabbing is not enough justice. But then if they fight back, self defense is more important than the above.
HateWhinyBitches ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:09:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think stabbing is one of *those things that is surprisingly more tiring than it seems.
-CrestiaBell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every principle stabber has pre-scheduled stabbing breaks
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing someone leaves emotional scars on the person that is stabbing. The tactile feel is pretty bad. That she kept stabbing shows that she would do anything to protect her child.
Before anyone asks, yes I was in military service When I learned this.
-CrestiaBell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I definitely agree, sacrificing my own emotional well-being to protect the emotional and physical well-being of my daughter is like a really low price to pay
There's plenty of people who've actually killed themselves following assaults solely because of the trauma, or even because of the like flagrant trend of victim blaming that happens both in real life and on the Internet
Sometimes an act of mercy that enables a monster makes you into something of a monster yourself
gunsof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mother and daughter had knife wounds on their hands so it looks like he fought back.
-CrestiaBell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point exactly.
The knife in this scenario is probably the difference between this headline and "Man rapes and kills wife and 12-y/o daughter"
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would advise against stabbing people in front of your daughter, but that's just me
-CrestiaBell ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:17:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd advise against sexually assaulting my daughter
She would probably want to see that more than watching her assaulter get slowly strangled by someone like half his size for like several minutes
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, ok?
-CrestiaBell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not specifically to you :)
To the hypothetical rapist
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:24:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Iwentfishing ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:41:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/iamverybadass
-CrestiaBell ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like 5'5 with no self-defense understand in the slightest
A knife would be like my only way to ever defend myself let alone someone else. /r/ihadnootheroptions?
thekingofthenerf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn dog can you post that link anymore?
Chansharp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You live in a sad world if you think only badasses would kill someone to protect their children
GertautoMergina ยท 253 points ยท Posted at 15:10:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my applause to the mother
[deleted] ยท 1072 points ยท Posted at 14:28:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father molested my sisters. When my sister told her, my mom went and hid all the knives in the house so she wouldnt do exactly this. I feel so bad for the girl and the mom. A lifetime of therapy and struggle. But good for the mom for sticking up for her daughter.
SERGEANTMCBUTTMONKEY ยท 695 points ยท Posted at 15:03:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She hid the knives... From herself?
[deleted] ยท 592 points ยท Posted at 15:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasnt so she couldnt find them. It was so that she would have to work hard enough to retrieve them that she would have time to think about the repercussions.
[deleted] ยท 437 points ยท Posted at 15:16:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OKC89ers ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dad probably wasn't home at the time, sounds like the knife equivalent of "put the gun down..."
kovyvok ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can sympathize but it seems like it would make dinner unnecessarily inconvenient.
notgayinathreeway ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:23:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"honey, where's the knives?" "I'll show you later"
Source: USB
Muezza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god dammit
Stevarooni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dad wasn't going to be getting dinner at home for a while.
suitcase88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they ate their rib eye steak dinner without utensils like cave men.
Chispy ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 15:36:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's a bit of an overreaction on the moms part. But moms will be moms hehehe
edit: downmoms!?? Really?
ectopunk ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:42:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is "edgy".
Chappies89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally understand. But why do that instead of head down to the police station and report the case. There is no need to wait for him to come home and confront him about it. There is absolutely nothing he could say to make the action ok. Don't waste time playing with knives. Go report, pack your bags and leave.
algag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She can't just start stabbing the guy when he walks in the house. Vigilante justice is not self defense. When avenues which don't require force are obviously available for self defense, they must be used.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KidsInTheSandbox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I set my alarm to turn off by scanning the barcode of an item in the kitchen. Ill walk to the kitchen, scan the barcode, and go back to sleep.
akallyria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What alarm is that? That's brilliant.
KidsInTheSandbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sleep as Android.
yayapfool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's being an objectively moral person.
A concept everyone in this thread seems to have decided to forget in favor of emotion-fueled revenge.
Can't exactly blame people for wanting to stab a child abuser...but it's still wrong.
OutstandingLolz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:58:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not wrong if it's in self defense, which in this case it was. She was defending her daughter from being raped...
Emberlite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can respect this, but at the same time, I feel like what is right and wrong changes situationally. (nothing is black and white argument.) I personally believe he deserved the stabs and actually much worse. Yeah people may argue that "people make mistakes," and that "people can change," but it takes an incredibly sick person to molest anyone, let alone an underage girl. Who's to say he won't repeat this crime? And it wasn't a simple mistake. It was a "I planned to walk into the room and monitored every single action but did it anyway," kind of mistake. It was very methodical. So, yes, while stabbing someone is wrong in general, I think the woman was justified in this case.
yayapfool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well as a popular comment brought up, if we look at this as a case like self-defense, where she's fighting off an offender, it's reasonable force.
But in terms of punishment, I don't think it's ever okay to say 'this person deserves to get stabbed'.
I'll be bleakly honest, I truly believe some people are beyond help in a reasonable way, to a point where nothing anyone can do for them will actually help them rehabilitate- but I still don't wish harm on them, I suppose I'd have to support a painless death or some other permanent sentence that guarantees they can do no harm...
Emberlite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely a good point. But what if we think about it in the sense that the 12 year old girl could not defend herself, so her mother stepped in and did it for her?
I understand not wanting to cause anyone harm and there's honestly nothing I can say to that because it's how you feel. As for the rehabilitation thing, it would be nice if that could help, but it will never erase what he did to that little girl. I also feel like rehabilitation methods need to be stepped up. We are only on the surface level when it comes to studying psychology (I feel I can claim this and not just throw that last sentence out there since I am studying it.)
But to go back to the discussion, the whole not harming someone for what they did reminds me of the Batman dilemma. I'm sure you know about how Batman refuses to kill anyone, including the Joker. I've always argued against that (even if it is just a fantasy) because the Joker continues to kill other people. Batman killing Joker would minimize the total lives lost. Destroying one is better than standing by and watching many others die, in my opinion. That's a scenario in which I believe abiding by one's morals is foolish.
I think the analogy is applicable here in that not harming the boyfriend allows him to continue his acts.
You do support a painless death though, if completely necessary, so I agree with that.
Lawnsrevenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the daughter hid the knives before telling mom.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing to get stabby when you catch them in the act. Another thing to do it way later when you find out.
KDizzle340 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want a piece of cake and it's right in front of you, you may just have it.
If you have to go to the store, purchase a cake, think about it, and bring it back, you may have had enough time to decide not to eat the cake. As it has far too many calories.
CannedCheese006 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Like you still know exactly where you hid them. Unless she shoved them under a bunch of stuff that would require time to dig out that makes so sense........Im declaring shenanigans. I don't believe it
darwin2500 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, leaving kids with zero parents outside jail is probably not the best solution, even if it's the most appealing.
JaegerBombastic731 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:19:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that's pretty good thinking. At the very least, you can go "am I legally in the clear for this?"
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:25:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup thats what she says. She called the cops and they had us trick him into admitting it. He was locked away and we started the hell that was my childhood.
ChateauJack ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:34:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, everyone is praising the mother from OP's story, but people like your mom are the true fucking hero here
Not every judge or jury will say it was self-defense to stab that man. Showing restrain and having enough foresight to see that risking jailtime is the worst possible outcome for your children, now that's heroic.
dianeruth ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:38:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not the same situation when you catch him in the act.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:54:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya shes pretty much my own personal superhero.
Series_of_Accidents ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hug her tight from all of us here. She's a good mom.
MusePlease ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:30:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offence but I think your chatting shit
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I was. It has been hell picking up the pieces and trying to recover. Plus, it would have cost me a lot less money. Hospital stays arent cheap and neither are therapists or psychiatrists.
uglybunny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no lawyer, but I would think that if you don't do the stabbing while the abuse is in process you could be charged with a crime. Self defense or the defense of another, from my understanding, requires an imminent or in-process threat.
nashist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, y'know, so they wouldn't be handy. Not that she didn't know where they were
larrydocsportello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had to do that
Astaauand ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:13:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is wrong with parents who sexually abuse their kids. Isn't there something deeply ingrained inside of them that prevents them from being attracted to their offspring?
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:23:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he wasn't their father just mine. And you are asking what ive been asking my entire life. He also molested his sister growing up. From what my therapists have said its more about control than anything else. Also that offenders are often victims themselves who never got help. Which makes sene in his case cuz when we told his family what happened they werent shocked and said that we could deal with it as a family. Then they hated us for sending him to prison. Only 1 brother of his and 1 sister of his were on our side. Its completely fucked up and I dont understand how or why any of it happened. I just know we were left to pick up the pieces and have since thrived sdespite the chaos. We all still do therapy and this is 19 years later.
Astaauand ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:31:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just heart breaking. I don't know what to say
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much to say to that. Just teach your kids they can always tell you anything and trust that you will protect them no matter what. Teach them that their bodies are theirs and nobody has a right to touch them if they dont want to be touched, even family members or authority figures. Teach them to defend themselves and to immediately tell if anything even comes close to something they are uncomfortable with.
ExKage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya apparently they knew it had happened to his sister and kind of just said stay away from her and then left it at that. Real fucked up.
ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly they have no concept of the impact these crimes have on the victim. Like "oh the victims can just deal whatevs."
Glad you and your family have all had therapy and hopefully good therapists.
Wafer4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, your therapist is absolutely right. It's entirely about control. If you haven't read it yet, read "why does he do that?" By Lundy Bancroft. It's illuminating.
thehumble_1 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 14:50:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's spelled with a "shar" and a "pened". Seriously though, I certainly hope she also looked to get him properly arrested and put on the SP list.
green_apple_snapple ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's terrifying about this is that you said sisters.. I'm so sorry for what you family had to go through. Did your dad ever get charged?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:02:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, sisters. Yes he did. I have no idea when he gets out though. I think its coming up soon. I was only 5 so I wasnt allowed in court or anything but my mom said it was around 20 ish years he got. I don't think about it too often.
zeonchar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully the mom also reported him to the police and left the house with the daughter for the daughter's safety?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is a crazy though so I'm surprised she didnt just strangle him with his own belt.
Deathmonkey7 ยท 195 points ยท Posted at 17:21:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work with a guy. We'll call him Ralph. Ralph was like any other guy. He was kind of a raggedy redneck type, super stereotypical. Loved Mustangs, Dale Earnhardt, smoking, beer, etc. Not uncommon in this area. He wasn't unlikable, and could actually be pretty funny at times. A couple of times he would bring his daughter in to work. She was a pretty cute kid, probably about 9 or 10 or 11 years old.
One day I saw a news article about a man named Ralph who crashed his Mustang after leading police on a high speed chase after he was caught sexually assaulting a minor. I thought it was coincidence at first, but then I saw the picture of his crashed Mustang with the shitty multicolored panels and I knew it was him.
When I came to work, my boss told me the full story that they heard from Ralph's wife, that you didn't see in the newspaper because of privacy concerns for the minor. Apparently Ralph's wife had come home a little early one day, and caught him in the act of assaulting his daughter. She immediately called the police and he fled. The police found him from a description of his vehicle and gave chase. He ran across state lines before losing control and crashing.
It was pretty surreal having known both the victim and the attacker. I would never have thought that he was the type of person to do something like that. Sometimes you just don't know what kind of people you have around you.
baldengineer ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:06:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In elementary school there was a family one block away from me. It was two girls, one in my class, living with their single father and his sister. Or maybe his sister would watch them while he was at work.
Never liked the man. He was grouchy and always yelling, but never thought anything else.
We moved and I changed schools and lost track of them. Later I read an article in the paper about a man sexually assaulting his daughters. Even though it had been years, I recognized his picture immediately.
It wasn't until then it clicked. Something always seemed odd. And they always seemed afraid to go home. It was heart breaking to realize that was happening a few houses away and I didn't know. (Granted at 8, how would I know that could happen. Still wish I could have helped sooner.)
wonkmelikeahurricane ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:22:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar story, colleague is called at work one day by his wife, his face drains white, he says he has to go. Never shows up at the office again and higher ups just say, "he won't be back" after a couple days.
Finally months later we find out that his daughter told her teacher that her father had been raping her, she called mom. He was told to come to the child's school for an emergency and was promptly arrested. He spent a few years in a German prison before being expatriated to the US to stand trial there and was convicted.
The kicker is I was the one assigned to ease the family's transition, so I spent a week driving them around to various appointments, babysitting the kids, etc. I really liked the girl (she was 12) but thought mom and dad were obnoxious and he was a lying scumbag to work with.
But to mom's credit she believed her daughter, prosecuted him, left him, and has made sure he'll never see his children again.
Creepiest moment: they both laughed to me recounting how they starting dating when she was 17 year old "jailbait" - her words - and he was in his mid twenties. Regarding that comment in retrospect was chilling.
Derwos ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:22:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People can think of themselves as good, have a system of morals etc, be friendly and seem likable, and still do evil things.
sometimesmybutthurts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he died?
Deathmonkey7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he got arrested. Last time I checked he was still in jail awaiting trial, but I haven't checked in a long time
CynicalSoup ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:47:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Runaway Ralph"
[deleted] ยท 479 points ยท Posted at 14:36:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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twist2piper ยท 323 points ยท Posted at 14:48:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laying naked on my 12-year-old daughter? That's a stabbin'
mustangbraveheart ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:11:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me laugh out loud.
PerianThain ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:14:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laughin in the thread - that's a paddlin
maxout2142 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:24:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting in the thread - oh you better believe that's a paddlin
Dokkanbitches ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got a horse l-thats a saddlin
RobJob130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sees a man lying naked on his 12-year-old daughter
Oh boy, here I go killing again!
Did I do it right, you guys?
Dokkanbitches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit Rob
RobJob130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried, man.
I'm sorry.
maxout2142 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laying naked on my 12-year-old daughter? That's a cappin'
Barron__Trump ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:32:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, boy! Here I go stabin' again!
Vaadwaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly have no morals or code of ethics!
Reignbowbrite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm laying here letting the filth of the world fill my thoughts & you made it all go away. Thank you kind stranger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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durhamStuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the stabbin' is the way to go when he's lying on your kid. She played it just right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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durhamStuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying if your kid is in the line of fire, don't use your gun....Otherwise, go nuts.
reptilianhater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please songify.
mugdays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hay navaja
moronicuniform ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There will never be enough stabs in the world to un-rape a child
Fuck this planet, I wanna leave
jollygnome123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Penetration for penetration.
brownmlis ยท 806 points ยท Posted at 14:55:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVE the fact that the biggest argument on this thread is the size of the knife.
nevynn ยท 645 points ยท Posted at 15:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or how many stabs is enough stabs.
The consensus seems to be that anything short of "all the stabs" is an insufficient number of stabs.
FCCCaffeineQueen ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 15:29:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a little disappointed when I found out he was still alive.
nevynn ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 15:42:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I safely mark you down as being in the "not enough stabs" group?
zombiemakemelol ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:52:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay, in prison he will get all the stabs, by both shank and penis.
AereasRavaene ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Penis wielding a shank, perhaps?
Kortallis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately assualting a sex offender is considered a hate crime and brings up more time then stabbing a rival gang member. Not only that but they protect the shit out of them.
zombiemakemelol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure glad my tax dollars are going to things that matter, like protecting pedophiles.
Kortallis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah :/
There is at least some good news though, lifers obviously don't care about time, and are normally rewarded for merc'in a pedo, so with luck a new guard will oupsydaisy and bye bye pedo. Or perhaps a corrupt guard will let something slip. We can hope.
For all the bullshit that the system has with it, it's a shame we put pedos in segregated blocks. Too bad we can't push legislation for removal of segregated blocks for sex offenders.
arbitrageME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:08 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but that means going into segregated population, right? that's even more lonely and depressing?
Kortallis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:15 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're talking about the sex offender pop then yeah.
I don't think so, the S.O.'s I saw were always the most relaxed tanks (jail not prison)
You basically get put into a club with dozens of other people who all have stories to jerk off to. The violent ones stay in solitary.
harumarutan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Add me in that group as well. Also add me in the "not big enough knife" group.
Reeseallison ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prison may fix that for him.
DeadKateAlley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. Chomos don't do well in prison.
Throwaway5325461 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chomos?
You mean child molesters right? Would it be Chimos then? Or am I misinterpreting this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not. I want people to be miserable in prison not get off free because they died.
GeniGeniGeni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was glad to hear he was still alive. Dying would be letting him off too easy. I like to see bad people suffer.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jediminer543 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:58:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
LurksWithGophers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, how's his wife holding up?
XXTwnz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She clearly didn't use a big enough knife or enough stabs or both because he could have killed her throwing her against the wall or when he came back inside after kicking down the door. Killing him was the only thing that would have been enough. So it is entirely right for everyone to question the size of the knife and the number of stab wounds.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Let's see how many holes it takes to fill him up."
farva_06 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab until you're stabbing already stabbed holes.
Dokkanbitches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maaaaaaany more
instamentai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 stab for every day her daughter has been alive seems sufficient
moronicuniform ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There will never be enough stabs to make this ok
TechyDad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to stop just short of the number where your stabs go through the guy to the daughter underneath him. Otherwise, keep stabbing.
rossco311 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed "all the stabs" and that might not even be enough, might need a "few of the shoots" too, just to be sure.
arbitrageME ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:58 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have liked to see a nice Labyrinth style mouth-slice.
Or Joker:
You wanna know how I got these scars?
I was raping a 12 year old girl and her mom stabbed me
Batman:
You know what, I think I reversed my policy on killing. As of right now.
rightwingnutcase ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I came here expecting a dead body. I'm a little disappointed she didn't hit a major vein or artery and he didn't bleed out.
Take note, kids. Anatomy class is important for reasons other than sex jokes.
IUpvoteUsernames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given time and precision, any knife can do the job effectively (femoral or carotid artery, anyone?), but in this case where she had basically no time to think, just react, she did what she could.
HoneyBucketsOfOats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think cutting his cock off is also acceptable
BulletBilll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You call that a knife?"
LittleBigKid2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That's not a knife, that's a spoon."
Blashmir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See Reddit can come together for important things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Elliot, if we're gonna go that way, you're gonna need a bigger knife.โ
MassaF1Ferrari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Molesting children being bad is the one thing Reddit agrees on- and rightfully so.
VampieOreo ยท 405 points ยท Posted at 15:41:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good News: Woman stabs boyfriend who tried to rape her 12 yr old.
Bad News: The slimy rectum waffle of a person is still alive.
Good News: Mom won't have to go through a trial to prove his murder was self defense.
Bad News: It'll probably be months before that creepy fuck ends up in prison. And that's only if he gets a conviction.
Good News: Rapists can get life in prison in Ohio!
Better News: That mother is clearly a strong woman and I know she and her daughter will manage to recover from this traumatic ordeal. She's a hero and I hope they find all the support they need to keep their small family safe and happy.
Beabosaur ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:49:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Slimy rectum waffle" has to be my favorite insult, I'll be remembering that one
hotcaulk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohio is pretty good on the subject. Spousal rape is even a separate criminal statute. The detectives in the central Ohio that I worked with were also very compassionate. I never felt judged while being interviewed.
Compare that to NC where consent cannot be revoked once given, even if your partner turns violent.
jonsticles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:17:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More better news: people in prison don't like child rapists.
bayleafy1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I remember reading a story about a guy in Brazil that raped his 1 year old kid, and then he got gang raped in prison...twice. like the hospital patched the guy back up and recommended he go to solitary, and the guards said fuck that and threw him back in the main part.
ceruleanlotus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:38:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, that's satisfying. Rapists deserve all the shit they get, especially child rapists. To violate anyone's body in such a crude and personal way is the most toxic and evil thing a person can do.
ds612 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he gets a welcome raping on his first day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Life" doesn't mean what you think it means in Prison speak.
zg6089 ยท 226 points ยท Posted at 15:12:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What parent wouldn't stab that stupid fucker
simpersly ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:53:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately not enough. Every year there are stories of parents letting and even encouraging their significant others abuse their children.
Edit: unfortunately too many.
SwaggyAdult ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think you meant too many
hotcaulk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first words out of my mom's mouth upon finding out I was sexually assaulted at age 3:
Fun fact, she's a Supervisor at a psych/rehab facility. These types of people are everywhere and can play nice. I'm sick of people telling me she's "such a sweet woman." It's my Mom, I'll admit she can be very sweet but if she decides it's a choice between you and her ego she's picking her ego at any cost, even her own children.
verdant11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:24:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, women like that exist and procreate. And they are complicit.
zombiemakemelol ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:54:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One that has Stockholm syndrome from being in an abusive relationship. This woman was able to fight this fucker off, good for her. But the sad reality is, in many of these situations, the woman is in a state of fear and terror and is unable to fight or even report the incident to the police.
reptilianhater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A knife has a tip, an edge and a tang. I probably would've used the edge and cut his pecker off.
Eltacore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't, I'd beat him with a hammer and empty my Kriss Vector on him.
TheFuego126 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't stab him, I'd kill him with my own bare hands
farva_06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me. But that's because I would rather feel his life slip away in my own hands.
TheBorker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too many
superkp ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A monster. That's what parent.
maybe I can see a case for a particularly petite woman that is worried about her ability to protect herself and her child.
But even then, the motivation to deal with it immediately should be quickly arising in every non-monster parent.
ragenaut ยท 422 points ยท Posted at 15:24:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man that title really runs through the whole gamut of emotion, doesn't it?
"Cleveland woman..." - Psycho.
"...repeatedly stabs boyfriend..." - Oh, like, for real psycho.
"...after finding him naked..." - And she's a dick, too.
"...on top of 12-year old daughter." - SHE'S A FUCKING HERO
Doobie-Keebler ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 15:24:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a roller coaster ride, for sure.
whatonearth012 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:18:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is like the third or fourth time someone has said this. Do people just not read the entire thing first?
I can defiantly see the roller coaster if you stop reading like that but do you read a sentence and dissect it a part at a time with no other context?
Doobie-Keebler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I defy you to explain your use of this word.
whatonearth012 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I defiantly deny that I was trying to spell the word definitely.
Doobie-Keebler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I respect your commitment to staying the course.
Have an upvote.
mostmicrobe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's what you think while you're reading the sentence.
whatonearth012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may just be slow then. My brain just does not read it that way. Now that you guys have pointed it out though when I read it it sounds weird. Stupid brain.
mostmicrobe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's the formatting, on mobile the top 2 lines are about the woman stabbing her husband, then the next 2 include the little girl.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:50:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bricingwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah idk my brain just reads the whole thing before formulating any opinion?
And like...I kinda scan the whole sentence and then read from the beginning, I guess. Hard to explain. It doesn't take any real time or anything, for me.
But I don't think it is about us being more "critically minded". For me at least, it's just that I read a lot, and have done since I was a kid. My brain is better trained at reading than at almost anything else.
minneapolisblows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they parent is a woman they assume there is no mitigating circumstances to validate her response.
impshial ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C'mon, man. We just won 22 games in a row. Cut the woman some slack.
either-way ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey bro, no one said anything about sportsball.
coffeeshopslut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being ragenaut, I'd think that you're used to rollercoasters of rage like this... But yeah, great title skills, makes me feel angry and vindicated at the same time
pM-me_your_Triggers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
", report says"
theWyzzerd ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 14:57:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Headline took a turn halfway through. Was not expecting that. She couldn't stab him enough if you ask me.
KidsInTheSandbox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do people read slow? Lol. Every top comment is saying the same thing
theWyzzerd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:37:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you see, this is called commenting on a post. It's no surprise that most of the top comments are saying the same thing, because most people seem to agree that this woman had the correct response and I'd wager that many, including myself, don't think she went far enough.
dagens24 ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 15:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess if you're going to stab someone this is a pretty good reason.
LexaBinsr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"What are you gonna do? Stab me?"
-boyfriend on top of a 12 year old
Liamonreddit12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little did he know...
PatrickPlan8 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:27:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Child rapists like this should be killed.
ilovereddityssup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:55:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correction: rapists should be killed.
PatrickPlan8 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Child rapists should be killed, Rapists of adults should be forced into intensive psychotherapy to assess there potential danger of repeat acts and then depending on their level of depravity either killed or made to endure intense behavioral therapy and mental health help and empathy / compassion training.
Most people who rape don't don't it for sex but for emotional reasons. The ones who do it because they are actual predators or looking to force people for predatory reasons should be killed though.
Child rapists do it because they are attracted to children and that will never stop.
But in the case of people who know they have that predilection there should be supports to get them help and away from situations where it might happen.
ilovereddityssup ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you commit a crime such as rape and emotionally traumatized someone for life, there is no excuse for that. You should be executed. I don't care if your mommy didn't give you enough attention when you were a little baby. There is no excuse for rape.
PatrickPlan8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:46:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of crimes can emotionally traumatize people ... I had PTSD from Drunk drivers hitting me twice. I had issues from being sexually assaulted. But I would rather someone have to go through a process of medical assessment first and its not just a root cause of mommy didn't give you enough attention. It typically is you didn't get trained to empathize with other people. Capital Punishment has a few cases for me. The prison system in america is a joke and mostly houses people with mental disorders now anyway without treating them and actually makes them more brutal and harder in most causes through worse traumatization.
Eye for an Eye never works to end the cycle. But in the cases of predators and sociopaths who enjoy sadism ... it is your only choice though i feel.
mvfsullivan ยท 2741 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying this now:
If this lady gets thrown in jail, we need to do whatever we can do to get her out.
schuser ยท 580 points ยท Posted at 14:08:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen! I would definitely donate for her to retain a lawyer.
musckles ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 14:32:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really broke right now, but I'd be happy to make some late payments and skip buying groceries to donate money.
DatPiff916 ยท 195 points ยท Posted at 14:54:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm broke so I could go undercover as a woman, get arrested and help her bust out Shawshank style
WakeupDp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:14:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be sure to get the blueprint of the prison tattooed on you first.
Still_kinda_hungry ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:11:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pick a rendevous with an easier-to-remember name, please.
UncleSamBamWam ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:13:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cell 32a, ask for stabby mcstabface
OkiDokiTokiLoki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh ooooooh I've got a rock hammer!
dylan88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rita Hayworth?
Florianopolix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could we ask any less of you?
Anklever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"this woman have a two foot beard"
"HEY DONT JUDGE HER!!"
TerriblePigs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She'll be paroled long before you finish spending years making a tunnel with a small hammer.
the_far_yard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure you tattoo your body with the prison's blueprint. It only makes sense if you do so for a prison break.
IAmA_Pony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And get free meals while you're in prison! It's a win/win!
MassaF1Ferrari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll join
At least I'll get food in prison
welpthatducks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good lawyer would do it for free. Plus they'd likely make more $$ in the long run with a good reputation like that.
isitpedanticenough1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why retain a lawyer? Simply hire one and you avoid the hassle of a false imprisonment charge.
hio_State ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 14:30:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0% chance she's charged with anything. This is pretty much by the book self defense.
YuSik ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 14:58:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defense of others, but yeah.
Adamskinater ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:30:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're entitled to defend others using the same force and reasoning you'd use to defend yourself from the same harm (although it varies by state, things like deadly force get murky)
YuSik ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:56:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right, it's just that it is still called defense of others, it is a common law tort theory from England and while it may vary state to state, it is always referred to as defense of others, which was just my main point. That's all :)
Frostblazer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deadly force requires roughly equivalent force to be used by both parties, so if she had actually killed him, she might have gotten in trouble (at least in my state) for using a knife on someone who is unarmed.
Luckily, the douchebag survived so the mom shouldn't have to worry about it. I'd honestly be shocked if she gets charged with anything, no jury is going to convict her.
hio_State ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was attacked as well, suffering lacerations.
TolstoysMyHomeboy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After she stabbed him. Your original point still stands though
Ahmrael ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defense of one's family is covered under self defense.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hio_State ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:04:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The police have said it's being investigated as a rape case, they're not even bothering to investigate it as a case of illegal force against the man.
dengitsjon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was the story awhile ago where the dad beat the living shit out of a guy that raped his daughter. Essentially beat to death if I remember, but the dad tried to resuscitate him afterwards. Judge didn't see it as excessive since the dad tried to "save" him.
If this guy was still able to make accusations about the mother and daughter after being stabbed, she should be scott-free even if they charged her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They still should investigate it.
TheHYPO ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:52:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"other person defence"
disregardable2 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:51:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
excessive force for sure, though I think that's a civil charge he'd have to take against her and not a criminal one?
hio_State ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:56:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no, if a man is raping your daughter in your home you get to stab the shit out of him. No judge or jury in the is going to award him a thing over his wounds. He is going to have no claims against her.
hextree ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except this isn't the first time this scenario has happened, and many of the stabbers/assaulters have indeed been successfully prosecuted.
hio_State ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not even investigating the mother kiddo.
hextree ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said they were. I'm talking about other scenarios.
812many ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:00:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excessive force isn't a thing for non-police people. It would be considered assault or battery if anything, but most likely considered self defense.
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:02:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it excessive force? She used a pocket knife so small that six stab wounds didn't prevent him from kicking in the door. It sounds to me like she didn't use nearly enough force. Besides, I don't think there's a limit on the amount of force you can use to stop someone from raping a child, up to and including deadly force.
CO_XDm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not excessive force. Continue until the threat is gone. As long as he is still moving the threat is still there.
funnyterminalillness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an incredibly misguided view on the situation. Don't become a lawyer
burritob4sex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean a civil lawsuit?
disregardable2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, for medical costs + pain and suffering. it's a possibility
hio_State ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No lawyer in his right mind would take that case.
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mijamala1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it comes back positive for intercourse but with no signs of trauma?
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Bean-blankets ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she's 12, she's too young to consent. Doesn't change anything in my opinion if the girl "consented" to it, since she can't.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bean-blankets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry meant to reply to the poster above
mijamala1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:49:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I hear ya, I'm just saying that the presence of intercourse doesn't necessarily mean "forcible."
oath2order ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get what "no signs of trauma" has to do with this.
mijamala1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're grabbing pitchforks, I want to know if it's for a forcible rape or a statutory rape.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:08:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xCookieMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Criminally speaking, it is different. Emotionally speaking, I would also think it's different. They're both atrocious acts, but one is definitely worse than the other.
mijamala1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as what the crime is? Yes, this makes a difference.
As far as what services the 12 year old will need to get through this? Yes, this makes a difference.
As far as whether I think he should be punished harshly? No, this makes no difference.
[deleted] ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 14:41:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for putting it more clearly than I could.
There needs to be an investigation and a trial before judgment is passed.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the only time there is even close to a proper response to excessive violence on criminals is when police do it. The anti-cop narratives and higher expectations of police reign in the emotional response of the public and only then does the majority voice the importance of proper procedure. Outside of that, when stories like this get reported you get the traditional vigilante justice support comments that remind us how little we've evolved emotionally.
TalenPhillips ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worst with situations of animal abuse. People see a neglected pet, and go full Light Yagami (megalomaniac antagonist of Death Note). It's often distressing to see... especially when the animal survived and made a full recovery, yet people are calling for torture and execution.
Abuse of authority is a whole other issue. Police should absolutely be held to a higher standard than the average person. They've been given the training, tools, and authority needed to handle situations like this in a civilized fashion.
I think most of the ill feelings and mistrust of police stems from the fact that corrupt and abusive behaviors often seem to go unpunished. Like half of the officers who people catch doing horrible shit just move down the road to the next police force and continue being police.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 14:42:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:51:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm terribly sorry. I am aware I don't fit in that well on reddit. I am neither a communist or a misguided constitutionalist.
Fresh_C ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious... what makes one a misguided constitutionalist?
My best guess is rigid conformity to the law of the land even when it seems morally wrong or against your personal interests.
TalenPhillips ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vehement support for some parts of the constitution and disdain for other parts, or support for the constitution only when it's convenient.
For example, a freedom of speech rally with lots of 2nd amendment activists where the organizer and many of his followers actively promote deporting non-white citizens in order to establish a white ethnostate.
In that case, "misguided constitutionalist" is probably the mildest possible term.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking of a polite way to include the alt-right, authoritarian, and Christian conservatives. I may be wrong in my idea of what constitutionalism is, as I've just read a few articles about it and a guy I know who identifies as one.
But from my experience, your description is also accurate.
Jorahsmustardsauce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're definitely self righteous and narcissistic enough for reddit, though!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, did that really come off that poorly? If so, what was offensive from that?
Fresh_C ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think your assumption that reddit is full of either communists or alt-right, authoritarian, christian conservatives, kind of comes off the wrong way.
It's possible (and probably likely) you were speaking in hyperbole. Especially considering you were replying to a joke.
But if not, I'd say your assumption is mostly wrong. There's a middle ground between those points of view and that's where most people live.
nashist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
now kiss
TheRealHanBrolo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:50:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? You don't immediately think vigilante justice and prison rape/beatings is the answer? Get out of here with your sound logic and shit
joshuamichaels5020 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, due process? Crazy stuff you speak of.
Tillhony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think anyone denied in the article that they didnt find him naked on top of the girl....
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It worked well for the Boston bombing. Don't hate on pitchforks! They stab indiscriminately and that's the way we like em.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I'm feeling too.
At this point, everything seems to be against the man. But people lie and it's possible the story could involve more than what we read in this story.
If everything turns out to be true, I wholeheartedly side with the mother and feel what she did was right. Any mother would react the same way seeing what she says she saw.
cam2kx ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:26:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But thats the mentality that started this country. Goddamn british. This is our country of outlaws, gosh darn it!
skippyMETS ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 14:29:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not. John Adams made sure that is country was a nation of laws, starting even before the Revolution.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boston massacre. Boston tea party. Lexington and Concord. All angry mobs of people fighting for what they thought was right.
Bullshit this country wasn't founded on pitchforks and torches. There was no lawful way to gain American independence. This country was founded on violent, unlawful revolution.
KneeDeepInTheDead ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:01:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The constitution is an old idea we cant live off it anymore"
"this country was started on violence"
DjDrowsyBear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying then.... is that we need new violence? Brilliant!
KneeDeepInTheDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
possibly ultra violence
karma-armageddon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind the laws were designed to give the advantage to a certain group of people.
WK--ONE ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what's changed?
cam2kx ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ew, gross, i no longer support the founding fathers, I learned we largely are all outlaws, never obeying or even knowing our own laws, fuck we don't even educatebour own people of all of our so important laws. Im done listening or caring to idiot laws. Like most victimless crimes. 1 downvote= one Trolled person.
thisisnotdan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/CringeAnarchy
Iorith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pm me before your inevitable trial so I can say I told you so.
Courts don't give a shit whether you agree with the law or not.
cam2kx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I don't care about them
Iorith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will if they say you're spending a few years in a cage.
cam2kx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly don't realize im joking, dude i made a joke about the revolutionary war for fks sake. Learn to joke.
RadioIsMyFriend ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:25:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My suggestion is to be grateful for those who aren't afraid to confront injustice. Without them a lot of injustice in America would have never changed. It may be misguided at times but be cautious when basing opinions off of mainstream media. A lot of change happens outside of protests.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:29:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RadioIsMyFriend ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:47:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A child being potentially raped is guaranteed to elicit a strong response, and rightfully so, but I understand where you are coming from. I tend to think of taking things down a notch as opposed to getting rid of it altogether. Anger or outrage are two feelings that have a rightful place in this world and they do work when applied correctly.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RadioIsMyFriend ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:54:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not going to deny that, but I trust many people to have their initial reaction and then calm down to take appropriate steps. I'd say more often than not, people can be responsible.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RadioIsMyFriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hehe, it would seem so.
The state of the world we see in the virtual realm is based almost exclusively on what is posted. It skews the data for us. My remedy for this is to not take things at face value and when reading the news always assume there is missing information. This helps me to keep an intact view of society and not fall victim to sensationalism but understanding that there are real threats in the universe we should take seriously based on the fact that history most definitely can and will repeat itself. I think most may call that remaining diligent.
thisisnotdan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm all for punishing rapists to the fullest extent of the law, and maybe even extending the law to punish them more. But the rapist needs to be convicted first and must not be denied due process of justice before then.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is shouting "KILL RAPISTS". that's a deliberate and malicious lie you are ascribing to people over here. No body here said that rapist should be lynched or hanged after he was caught. Truly speaking, majority of folks here would be even against death punishment for this rapist. What they are saying is they understand the reason behind Mother's action who stabbed her daughter's molestor. In case you are not able to understand this sentiment, I hope you never parent a child.
Adamskinater ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:29:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about, nothing bad has ever happened from Reddit vigilante justice
/s
32BitWhore ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I hate that we have to do this, but people lie about sexual assault all the fucking time, so we can't automatically believe everyone. A 12 year old is smart but easy enough to manipulate (especially by a parent) that they could be coached to go along with it for any of a million different reasons as well. Obviously it's a stretch to think that's the case, but I'm willing to bet it's been done before.
some_random_kaluna ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:17:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cops verified the victim's testimony. It's... true.
sticksnstonesluv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ah yes, a new idea. not believing women when they say they've been sexually assaulted
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sticksnstonesluv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm saying a little empathy and understanding could go a long way. rape culture is a problem. many women don't come forward because they're ashamed, and the ones that do are often blamed and discredited.
have a nice day
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sticksnstonesluv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no yeah i feel really bad for the dude who got caught naked on top of a child
xCookieMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment actually shows your lack of understanding. Instead of being defensive you should focus on what people are communicating to you, not just on Reddit, but in day to day conversations. People will really appreciate knowing that you're actually listening to them instead of just arguing.
You're taking the statements for face value, and while most likely true, you should always reserve doubt for a circumstance unless you know 100%. Once more evidence is made clear, we will know. For now it's not that cut and dry.
sweet_MelissaG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 12 year old daughter was sexually assaulted by her own account
kadno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, could you imagine if you got into an argument with your girlfriend and then stabbed 6 times, and accused of raping a 12 year old girl? I would probably hang myself in my jail cell after all that.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, she should had hit him with constitution instead of knife.
_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll treat her like the Boston Marathon Bomber! That worked really well last time, right reddit?! /s
danfromwaterloo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:55:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to defend this guy in any way, but do we actually have any evidence that this really did happen? If it really did happen, good - he got what he deserved. But I'm always hesitant to join mob mentality when we really don't know the facts of the case.
kasuchans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the article say that medical investigators found evidence that the girl had been sexually assaulted?
danfromwaterloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then fuuuuuck that guy.
1373 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we have evidence that this woman stabbed him?
impy695 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean she admitted it so... yeah.
danfromwaterloo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have no evidence of anything. How do you know there's even a Cleveland? I don't know anybody who's actually been there.
Duh duh DUHHHHHHH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
BoerboelFace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get your pitchfork or STFU!
Fisherman_B8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't. All we have is the testimony of a stabee
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the hard question to ask, and it did occur to me, as it should occur to the authorities.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
read the article dude. The 12 year old kid testifies that he was molesting her.
Ken_Udigit ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because as we all know 12 year old kids are incapable of lying. /s
By that logic I could just go to the cops know and say you just raped me and you would be thrown in jail. Would you be ok with that?
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fuck' sake, the mom saw that dude molesting her kid. What more evidence you want? Are you trying to bring Sharia law where a girl must produce 4 witnesses who saw her getting raped to prove that she was raped??
Ken_Udigit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correction, the mom said she saw it, we don't know for a fact that she did, or even that it happened. That's the whole fucking point. I could also accuse you of a crime and get my friend as a witness, doesn't mean you actually fucking did anything, does it?
If any one is doing that it's you by only caring about self proclaimed witnesses. They ask for four and you ask for two. I on the other hand, am asking for actual fucking evidence that a crime was committed.
Lot's of people say they have been kidnapped by aliens. Should we believe them just because there's so many of them?
It's honestly infuriating that there are idiots like you who would actually put some one in jail just because 2 people accuse them of a crime. If you were in charge of the law, half the population would be in jail by now, just because some one accused them of something.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am assuming i am talking to a person of slow mental faculties so I will say it very slowly - no one is talking about putting that alleged rapist in prison just because mom and daughter said so. I slowly repeat - No one. Police is investigating the matter, charges will be filed, forensic labs will send their report, jury will sit and decide the punishment. You clear?
The consensus here is on the fact that if this mom actually saw her boyfriend laying naked on her daughter trying to rape her, then she was absolutely justified in her impromptu action of stabbing him. She did nothing wrong if he was actually trying to rape the kid - a fact which will be proved or disproved in trial. Are you absolutely clear now?
Ken_Udigit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in a good mood now so I won't insult you but:
Previous comment:
Even before that, the guy was complaining about the mob mentality of every one judging him guilty and wanting him to suffer, and you said:
None of those things would be said in the context of "If he was really raping her, then it was justified to stop it", because obviously if you see your husband raping your 12yo daughter you don't need her to "testify"(as you were saying she did) before stopping it.
So no, your previous comments had nothing to do with "If he was rapping her, it was justified to stop him". You are just changing your argument now. Either stick with it, say you changed your mind, or move on. But don't bullshit me.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for quoting me. I am also going to quote myself here
The whole debate on this article was if this mom was justified in attacking her daughter's molester. From her point of view if she saw it happening, then that's all the evidence she would want or need.
I don't recollect with what angle you had pitched in. But plenty of people here have tried to criminalize that woman's action in their stupid beliefs about sacrosanctness of legal codes.
Ken_Udigit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not too clear on the details of the law, especially since things change from state to state. But the thing is, if he is actually innocent (which is possible) then what she did would be a criminal act.
And when you say:
In that context it sounds like you are saying "What more evidence do you want that he is guilty and it was okay to stab him", but the point that the original guy you replied to made, is that we can't know for sure if he is guilty and we shouldn't resort to mob mentality, which is what a lot of people were doing.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:16 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. If she stabbed an innocent man then that would be criminal. My whole defense of her action is based on assumption that what she is saying is true.
FuckinggHell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they'll find dna
chirpWrk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like there is no way to convict her. She was protecting her child from an assault. From an assailant that is bigger and stronger than her.
Can a parent claim self defense of a child if they are defending a helpless child from a bigger stronger person? What I mean is if this lady was being raped and she stabbed this guy there would be no way to say she wasn't protecting herself. Should the same go for a parent who sees there child being raped, assaulted, etc... by an adult?
servical ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't look like she's the one in trouble, based on that. No jury in this world would convict her for saving her daughter from the clutches of a pedophile, either. (Well, at least I hope so...)
mathfacts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This so much! If I saw a naked dude on my daughter, I'd grab the sharpest knife I could find and stab the shit out of him too!
Leonis_Ignis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it will be necessary. Currently no charges by the police because they're trying to establish a clear series of events before making a call.
However, just from the testimonies the woman and her (I would presume no ex-) boyfriend, she claimed that he was trying to rape her daughter because she saw her on top of her naked.
His testimony, was that she was just jealous that the 12 year old was "attracted" to him. He's not even denying that he was on top of her naked. So that right there is at the very least attempted statutory rape. This would vindicate the woman's actions, because he doesn't actually deny the accusation of his attempt nor of his actions.
And this is all without the child's testimony. And that testimony is very damning. She said that he instigated the situation, saying that he told her "this is what it's like to have a boyfriend in the real world", before touching her privates and then pulling off her pants, and then took off his clothes. At which point the mother came in and started stabbing him.
That is incredibly damning evidence, so just based on the man's testimony it's attempted statutory rape, which is still a crime. Based off of the woman's and girl's testimonies it's immediately upgraded to sexual assault and/or sexual battery, on top of that attempted rape, and pedophilia.
That son of a bitch is going to get locked up for life at the very least. And this also vindicate's the mother's actions, because it was defense of someone in the process of being raped, lethal force is legally allowed to be used in that situation. So I don't think she'll have anything to worry about in proving his guilt.
enjoyscaestus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:15:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me: what would you do?
RadioIsMyFriend ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:18:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GoFundMe to help her get good legal representation.
mvfsullivan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this, plus a petition to help get the additional attention. I would absolutely donate to help justify putting a pedo down. I just hope this fucker lived and gets thrown in jail. If he thinks getting stabbed is bad, he's in for an infinite amount of agony.
FancySack ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:33:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to bake her a cake with a nail file in it.
PussyWhistle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hype reddit up to do something!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this lady gets thrown in jail, that's bullshit and I don't want to live in this country any more.
RobJob130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Took you long enough.
aletoledo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where were you when Bradly Manning was getting thrown in jail?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the title is black and white what happened, no Judge would prosecute this. Only if the story is a fake given by the woman who caught her bf cheating would a judge prosecute
jago81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, your comment is over an hour now. So I assume all is already forgotten. It's the reddit/internet cycle.
Bails6923 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Would even do this if she had killed him. Justifiable homicide.
Orleanian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's gonna take a whole lotta stabbin to get her out.
jonjonthewise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't a district attorney in the US that would charge this woman. She's going to get off clean
ameliabedelia7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you.
zombiemakemelol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one likes pedophiles except for other pedophiles. No one wants to be on the wrong side of a case like this. The man will go to jail and the woman will receive no punishment, and I hope to god that little girl grows up in a better environment and gets the help she needs.
the_leprechauns_anus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will definitely write something on a sign.
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very brave thing to say and I'm glad you're here to get preemptively worked up about something that's not likely to happen. You're the hypothetical hero this world needs.
fancymoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust the DA. If the DA thinks there is a case and they can get a conviction from the jury, let them try it. I don't think the DA will try though because there's no jury in the country that would convict something like this.
RobJob130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on board. Saving thread now.
slipperyfingerss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd throw in on a lawyer for her
unhorsingbook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pledge 100$.. will verify this when it comes to it.
AOSpades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a brave and noble stance to take.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna happen in America.
Ahmrael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won't unless her local courts are corrupt through and through. Her actions fall under self defense.
Darkbyte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we live in the middle east now where you just go kill someone when you don't like what they did? We have laws here, attempted murder is attempted murder.
FuckinggHell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Attempted murder isn't just attempted murder, and she didn't stab him just because "she didn't like what he did". She was defending someone.
Darkbyte ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been trying to find the state that has the death penalty for a rape conviction, but I can't find it. Since you seem to be advocating for it, surely you can point me to which one it is?
FuckinggHell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe in the death penalty. There's a difference between harming someone as punishment and harming someone as defense. She did that to defend her child.
How about you spend less time trying to be a smart ass and more time thinking?
Darkbyte ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha sure thing kid
FuckinggHell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you read?
There's a difference between shooting a burglar in the act and shooting a burglar as punishment. There's a difference between beating up a person who has someone hostage and beating up a person as punishment. There is a difference between stabbing a person while they are raping someone and stabbing a person as punishment.
If you don't get the difference, good luck.
Darkbyte ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No there isn't, you are a caveman. The proper response is DEescalation.
FuckinggHell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then tell me: what is the appropriate response as a mother against a grown man raping their child? Do they fist fight? Do they let it continue and call 911? Do they risk their own saftey by attempting to threaten them with police?
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:41:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how would you react if you saw a man raping your daughter? politely read constitution to him? or dial 911 and sit in the next chair, calmly waiting for him to finish the job?
Darkbyte ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, clearly I'd take my shirt off, pick up a rock, and start yelling "MAN ATTACK, YOU SMASHED WITH STONE" like a fucking caveman, right?
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd been last of your genetic line if you were a caveman. Soft, sniveling blobs didn't survive those tough times, you know. And in same general context if you lack guts to take down a rapist molesting your kid before your eyes, you shouldn't father one. That poor kid would be as good as orphan even with a parent around.
Darkbyte ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:28:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like you would love living in the middle east, why don't you get out of our civilized country.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude, its not civilized to see your child getting raped and do nothing about it. Its epitome of barbarity. Even animals don't tolerate someone harming their kids. looks like you are a slug that crawled out of a place that hasn't seen civilization.
Erzherzog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she was attempting to stop him from committing a felony against her child, it's not attempted murder.
happyscrappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying this now:
It'd be better if you didn't make such statements without having seen the evidence.
There's a whole system to take care of this where people end up getting much more informed on what happened than you ever will be and then make a determination of guilt.
It'd be best if we let it work.
Queso_Hygge ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:33:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off. Being murderered by his girlfriend wouldn't have been harsh enough. This poor child will be scarred for life.
QSlade ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a lot of keyboard warriors in this thread screaming for "justice" in the form of reciprocated rape. I'm also seeing a lot of "he'll get a new boyfriend in prison" comments. I'd like to shed some actual light on the prison situation. I was a deputy jailer for a little over 5 years. Shit just doesn't work that way. From what I've always seen sex offenders are placed in isolated sex offfender pods. They are not placed in gen pop. In these pods you have alphas who victimize smaller weaker inmates. We do what we can in regaurds to patrol, but when I worked I would typically have to watch over roughly 170 inmates, all in 20/30 person pods by myself. Rape happens in these sex offender pods. Big strong rapists get a fresh supply of victims and those being victimized let that rage build. Typically what happens is they then get out, and project that hate onto other victims You fuck wits crying for an ongoing cycle of rape haven't had to save men from packs of monsters. You haven't had to fight that fight. Yes, rape is bad, yes people deserved to be punished, but an on going rape train is not a "fix" it's a catalyst for future pain and suffering
HildyFriday ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:30:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's most interesting to me about your comments is how they really drive home that crimes like rape and molestation are not really about sex or sexual attraction but about the abusive use of power against vulnerable people. They can all be sex offenders with their own personal preference of victim as far as sex, age, etc. but when it comes right down to it, if there is a desire to offend and a victim will be made regardless. So, the bigger, physically stronger male victimizes the smaller, weaker adult male though his sexual preference may run to adult females or pre pubescent boys.
In addition, it sheds light on just how ridiculous victim shaming and blaming is. As an example, we hear she shouldn't have worn that outfit, she shouldn't have walked there alone at night, she shouldn't have accepted a date with him or led him on or withdrawn consent after they'd started fooling around, etc. Yet, the same guy who is in for raping an adult female who may or may not have done one or more of those things, will still commit the crime against an adult male wearing prison garb.
DrNO811 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prison system is messed up for sure, and doesn't focus on rehabilitation, but as a parent....the penalty for this should be execution.
QSlade ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a parent I agree. I'm not saying punishment isn't needed, I'm simply saying rape isn't nor should it ever be, an actual answer
Jofferydies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree that it's not an answer, since it's not. I just find it hard to give a shit about someone raping a rapist.
stan11003 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:15:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with execution is you can't un do it if the person was innocent. They are just dead because a kid lied or was pressured by the hysteria of adults.
DrNO811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but when they are caught in the act, we shouldn't even waste court fees.
stan11003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:11 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they lied not saying these particular people did but some do.
ArminusX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So don't lock them up take them out back and put one between the eyes... cycle = broken
DeLee2600 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:30:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get off your high horse:
Edit: he's actually completely right. More research after his post led me to think; shit; that was an asshole comment I made.
Hats off to your post. Thank you for opening my eyes a little bit rather than just being negative about your response. :)
QSlade ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:46:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get some actual real life experience and prespetive on the prsion system. It's not a high horses, it's a point of view taken from living/working inside of the system.
DeLee2600 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I deleted my silly comment; because dude above me was correct. I have my own profession; but I'm glad he gave us insight to his so I could research a bit more. Hats off to him; he is correct.
acautionarytale13 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:18:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him six times??? For being naked on top of her 12 year old daughter??? I admire her restraint. lights cigarette
HurtMachine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:25:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With you.
Gingerpunchurface ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:09:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there is a gofundme account for the mom's legal expenses I'm contributing.
pale_pussy ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:22:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't kill him. The only kind of good pedo is a dead pedo.
Bootsie_Fishkin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, a jailed, repeatedly raped and constantly beaten pedo is a good one in my book.
Gogert777 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U mean sex offender right? Nothing wrong with pedos.
Darkdragon3110525 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything wrong with pedos
Schnabeltierchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People love to make not any distinction between the two terms unfortunately.. and honestly though a pedo isn't that much better, at least it's not a crime or a choice unless acted on it.
[deleted] ยท 659 points ยท Posted at 14:12:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kue101 ยท 241 points ยท Posted at 15:09:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accidentally walks in on daughter and her husband
Edit: For anyone wondering, the parent comment said something like "If I saw someone on top of my daughter I'd kill him." Then he started adding edits in response to some of the comments below.
SupaSlide ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 15:30:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sorry son, time to die..."
trog12 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:08:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you gonna do? Stab me?
mijamala1 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:37:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
brazilian-ayo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say
FeetOnGrass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Nothing personnel, kid..."
20Factorial ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:18:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for bringing a little humor into this horrible post.
f_bastiat ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:28:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She will be widowed, he should have locked the door.
reddit1977 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accidentally walks in on daughter playing with her new born baby
crimsonryno ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 14:52:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of a saying I heard once. I will give him a day of reckoning that he will not live long enough to ever forget.
edit: of
PUSH_ME_UR_COMMITS ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 14:59:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sentence hurts my brain
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:07:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IrishRepoMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's a day o' reckoning. A doesn't make sense.
crimsonryno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant of, but a can mean of. I think it is more of a dialect thing. So it would be said ah-day-ah.
IrishRepoMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how it sounds, but it is still o'. We omit and replace sounds all the time in language, but it's always written the same. Sort of like how many people pronounce "Toronto" "Torono", and "comfortable" "comforable". We're just lazy. The spelling remains the same, though.
crimsonryno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, I get that. But the was you say words can influence spelling if you are not paying attention.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chompythebeast ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People won't understand writing direct transliterations of colloquialisms, especially in a one-sentence bubble. "a day a" makes no sense. If we were meant to read it in a folksy accent, you'd write "a day o'", or maybe "a day ah" at least to indicate that a 'a' and 'ah' were different words.
Course OP isn't exactly going to be graded on his grammar here, but yeah that sentence definitely made me do a double take as well. Writing isn't merely the process of recording the sounds we make when we talk, after all
PUSH_ME_UR_COMMITS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This helps
effyochicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sprinkle a little southern in and it makes more sense
limitedattention ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like contractions make that sentence flow better.
Maybe "I'll give him a day of reckoning he won't live to forget" ?
PUSH_ME_UR_COMMITS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could just say "I'd kill him"
limitedattention ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha fair enough :)
That's a tad less poetic though.
mvalviar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too.
a-memorable-fancy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i was really disappointed at how bad that movie was and how good the gunplay was.
Astaauand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though I didn't quite get it, it still seems badass
Jonruy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In gonna have to remember that one.
DietCokeAndProtein ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:41:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao such a tough guy.
frightpath ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:28:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope there's an implied "non consensually" in there, and you wouldn't just murder (or threaten, in this case) your daughter's boyfriend for normal, healthy sexual interaction.
numericrhino ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the mother's boyfriend. A grown man.
frightpath ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll assume that the above comment was deleted at the time of your posting, and you have no idea what I'm talking about.
_eL_T_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For any context, you need to reply directly to the comment you are referring to. Comments move all over the place when they get upvoted or downvoted.
frightpath ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did, and that's obviously the comment I was referring to.
numericrhino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sorry I missed the [removed] parent comment.
frightpath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries. Someone else did too, which is why I came off as kind of irritated. My bad.
f_bastiat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would normally agree with your statement but my daughters are 1 and 3.
frightpath ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:32:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Girls 1 and 3 can't legally consent to sexual activity, so we're definitely on the same page.
edit: Not to mention I hope it was clear what I meant by "normal" and "healthy."
RabidRapidRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wheres 2? This sounds like the prank with the numbered pigs
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:36:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cantbelieveilostit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:35:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The girl was 12, the man was raping her, wtf are you talking about?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Novelcheek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:22 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oops! my bad, seriously. Removed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cantbelieveilostit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:22 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you take another look, you'll see that your comment is top-level, which means you're not responding to the person with the removed comment. That's how this works.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:18 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cantbelieveilostit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:29 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, you're right, I see it on desktop. Sorry bout that.
Dandalfini ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was the mother's boyfriend, not the girl's. He was 31.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dandalfini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:28 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry mate, they all probably did what I did and saw yours as a top-level comment because the other fella removed his comment.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why art class
thratty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
art class is nice
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread filled with awfulness, this comment made me burst out in laughter. Thank you!
TatterhoodsGoat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:00:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This this this this this.
Cash091 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:26:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can still do all of this but be stern with the boyfriends. Threatening to kill might be a bit excessive, but I would want to be stern and intimidating towards whoever would be dating my daughter. I only have a son though.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:13:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iMex330 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:01:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if your daughter brought home a guy at let's say 16 and he's the same age you're going to murder him for nothing, just because your daughter wanted sex too? Well have fun in prison then buddy, that's where people like you belong anyways.
Maybe rewording your comment to be more clear of what would cause you to murder your daughters future partners. Instead of saying you'll murder any partner you catch your daughter with, which makes it sound like you just never want her to have a sexual relationship or you just want her all to yourself...please seek some help if either of those are the case.
_eL_T_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are aware that this story is about the MOTHER'S boyfriend that was molesting her 12 year old daughter, right?
iMex330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yea I do and the guy I responded to who's comment is now deleted just wanted to kill anyone he found in bed with his daughter regardless of circumstances. So obviously now my comment will be taken out of context.
f_bastiat ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 16:16:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the dude without kids.
Maybe when you have some you'll understand your daughter could be 30 but her SO needs to have fear in his heart.
iMex330 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol found the guy who makes blind assumptions about people. ^
I actually have 5 kids 3 girls and two boys. And their boyfriends/girlfriends will only fear me if they cross the line. Just having sex with them as long as it's consensual is not crossing the line, stop being overly protective it's a great way to push your kids away from you.
f_bastiat ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:46:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one who started making assumptions, I was just trying to set you off. Have a blessed day.
iMex330 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:05:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you failed just so you know. Hope you have a blessed day also.
f_bastiat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's how Reddit goes.
SweetNapalm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:09:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Cept he didn't make any assumptions, but
Ya know, gotta get that last word in, right?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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f_bastiat ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:49:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys just don't get it, I don't care if they have sex when they are in there teens, I was probably about 15 when I started having sex, what I'm saying is, whoever is having sex with them needs to believe I am not ok with it.
Applinator ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why do they need to believe that? Do you think that will make them better boyfriends for your daughter?
f_bastiat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will.
ElectricFleshlight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pffff hell naw, that behavior from my parents just made me sneak around behind their backs. Treating every suitor as a dirtbag makes it hard for your daughter to tell the difference between true dirtbags and good kids.
ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep telling yourself that. It still won't be true.
Applinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain how, isn't it better that your daughter finds someone who is good for that doesn't have to be scared of you, to be good to her? Is it not better to be a good person and kind than to instill fear in people to have your way? If you really think that's how you need to live, then I feel sorry for your upbringing that you believe that's necessary :L
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:09:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30. If my parents "put fear in the heart" of my husband and not love, I wouldn't see them very often anymore.
I get that your kids are little now and your job is to protect them right now. But come on, you really plan to put fear in the heart of the nice guys (or gals) that they date or marry in 30 years from now? It sounds like you have a power trip.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right?! If my dad pulled anything like this towards my husband, he'd be out of my life SO fast.
ProfMcGonaGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that it was ever a question with my husband. They think he's the greatest. But like I don't even understand this mindset. He married me. He is their son now. We are family. And my i laws refer to me as one of their children too.
Iwentfishing ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/iamverybadass
f_bastiat ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:44:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/iamadad
RorariiRS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, who brags about molesting little girls anyways?
f_bastiat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child molesters
ragenaut ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:28:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about when she turns 16 and has her classmate Steve over to "study" and you walk in on him "studying" her vagina?
You gonna kill Steve for doing the same thing to your daughter that you did to some 16 year old when you were that age?
lubbin604 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:36:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus. As a dad to a 2 year old daughter, when is it considered okay to not kill the boys anymore?
ragenaut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, if it were you son and he was doing it to someone ELSE's daughter, you'd be high fiving him mid-spooge, right?
f_bastiat ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 15:43:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no age, they all have to think you are willing to kill them all the time. I don't care if my daughter is getting banged out by her husband on her 20th wedding anniversary, if I accidentally walk in, there better be fear of death in his eyes.
ElectricFleshlight ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:26:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ew. You don't own your daughters vagina.
a-memorable-fancy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:31:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there are a lot of really tasteful ways to express your displeasure with what he said.
is not one of them.
ElectricFleshlight ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:34:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly what he's implying. He is not the guardian or owner of his daughters vagina. It is hers and she can do whatever she wants with it.
Fuck being tasteful, I'm not gonna protect your delicate sensibilities.
a-memorable-fancy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm glad your defense of women rises all the way to a genital fixation. and motherfuckers say i'm the one who objectifies them.
i_main_tahm_kench ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think saying the word "vagina" in this context is objectifying anybody lol. The original comment they were responding to was creepy, and the guy was acting like his daughters vagina and sexuality is under his protection, like some sort of overbearing skeevy bodyguard.
Lots of dads are like that with their daughters, and I find it extremely inappropriate and weird. How is that objectifying? Women have vaginas, you know. We're allowed to mention them lol
a-memorable-fancy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
talking about sexual matters in terms of genitals makes you sound like a kid who just discovered the word for them. it's deliberately obnoxious.
thatsaccolidea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
talking about sexual matters in terms of "tastefulness" makes you sound like a prude that refuses to discuss sexual matters in a frank and open way. Its a concerning, backwards attitude which leads directly to the kind of shaming and secrecy that child abusers specifically need in order to continue destroying lives.
a-memorable-fancy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that is the definition of a slippery slope.
thatsaccolidea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not at all. theres a reason that moralising, prudish institutions such as the catholic church have been responsible for so much child sexual abuse.
If you want to excuse that overwhelming mountain of practical evidence in the name of "tastefulness" then I start to wonder what your agenda actually is, and whether you should be allowed near children.
a-memorable-fancy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is an extreme slippery slope wrapped in some ad hom, and it's also slander. i'd recommend you delete this comment.
lubbin604 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:58:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Applying for my gun license right now. I'll be that dad....
f_bastiat ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:36:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoulda locked the door Steve, I made sure the girls I was banging out at 16 didn't have dad's in the picture. Also I don't want my daughter banging out a retard who doesn't know how door locks work.
ethanthedanklord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about naked under your daughter
f_bastiat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll cross that bridge when we hopefully never get there.
WhatTheFoxtrout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She tried. But he overpowered her.
thoggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
luckily you are a man and would stand a pretty good chance of pulling it off
this mom got physically overpowered by the rapist after she stabbed him a bunch
BboyEdgyBrah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. I'd make sure my daughter is safe first though. Then he dies.
yayapfool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck is up-voting a guy who says you can't sex unless you're willing to die for their partner at 16?? What year is it?? Even I, a jealous immature-soul'd 24 year old who doesn't like the idea that my girlfriend has been with guys before me knows that sex is perfectly fine if everyone consents and it shouldn't be a big deal.
BulletBilll ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's people like that why I have an old rusty metal chair hooked up to a car battery in my unfinished basement.
jellybellybean2 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:27:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The title was a real rollercoaster for me.
Omg what a psycho.
What the fuck?! Good for her!
bnp2016 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:09:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't say I wouldn't have done the same honestly. It's your child.
up_and_above ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd do the same even if it was just a child. Doesn't even have to be my child.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:18:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if a twelve year old did "have feelings" for a grown man and expressed those feelings, hands off the minor! You are an adult, sir! I don't care if she stripped naked and begged you for sex. She is a child and you do not engage in any sort of sexual behavior with children. How do people not know this?
Also, I admire this woman's restraint. She only stabbed him 6 times.
Hav3_Y0u_M3t_T3d ยท 347 points ยท Posted at 13:47:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't bring myself to read this article right now but from the title it definitely seems like a legitimate crime of passion.
Edit: I stand corrected, not crime of passion, self defense of a third party. I'm glad that she shouldn't see any jail time for this
Maggie_A ยท 391 points ยท Posted at 14:24:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a crime of any kind to defend a child being raped.
Crime of passion is if the woman caught her boyfriend making love to another woman and then attacked him.
Defending your child from an assault is not a crime of passion. It's a justified use of force in defense of someone else.
GaGaORiley ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:02:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Passion" doesn't always refer to sexual/romantic passion.
" A crime of passion (French:crime passionnel), in popular usage, refers to a violent crime, especially homicide, in which the perpetrator commits the act against someone because of sudden strong impulse such as sudden rage rather than as a premeditated crime."
Maggie_A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but the scenario I described is the closest possible crime of passion scenario to what happened. So I took what happened and altered the facts to illustrate a hypothetical crime of passion.
GaGaORiley ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree it shouldn't be considered a crime, a "crime of passion" defense doesn't require jilted lovers. Mamas can be very passionate about not wanting their children raped.
Maggie_A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read my first post above the one you replied to. I'm getting tired of saying the same thing over and over on here.
GaGaORiley ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:20:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read several, and several of the replies. I don't think some people are getting that passion doesn't always = sexual passion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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oh_orpheus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:43:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crime of passion isn't supposed to be a "good" thing. It just means a when someone murders another person on impulse of anger or something and it's not premeditated.
Purehappiness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe in the US its typically considered a 3rd degree murder. There was no thought put into it ahead of time, nor any time to prevent yourself from doing so. This is different from manslaughter, where the death was caused by you, but was accidental (ex. Crashing into a car, which then slams into a pedestrian)
thatserver ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 15:23:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... That's kinda what happened.
shadowenx ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:29:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't conflate rape with making love.
Maggie_A ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:38:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either you forgot the /s
or you need to see a therapist that you equate raping a 12 year old with making love to an adult woman.
Or you could be headed to prison yourself.
thatserver ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed making love was just a euphemism for having sex, like how it's used most of the time. "Found her lover with another person" is how I read it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:18:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relax he just mistook the phrase making love with penetrating, having sex with, fucking, etc.
Rape IS having sex with someone against their will.
aegon98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're really misunderstanding this dude. He thought that sex, making love, fucking, screwing around etc. were all synonymous. Making love is used to describe meaningless hookups too, and there obviously isn't any love there. He just extrapolated too far
sullenbetty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But none of the things you listed are rape because that's obviously completely different. I don't think they're misunderstanding him at all.
aegon98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop with that shit. If you rape somebody, you fucked them. You had sex with them. Yeah, he got it wrong. He mistook the meaning, but t he admitted that. Don't have to attack him
sullenbetty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:31:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, sure man, genitals touch. That doesn't mean it should go in the same category as hooking up, which as you mentioned also includes "no love". The reason it's gross when people talk about rape like it's just regular old fuckin' and not hugely different in terms of impact and the dynamics of people involved is because then people feel comfortable comparing cheating on your wife to raping her daughter like the jackass in this thread did. Which is incorrect and deserves a healthy amount of argument. I hope that dude changes his mind about categorizing rape as any version of making love.
aegon98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:38:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry words have overlapping definitions and you disagree with that, but that doesn't mean you should blow up on some random dude because he misunderstood a word.
sullenbetty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually haven't replied to him at all. I just agree with the people downvoting him for his irrelevant and incorrect point and I disagree with your point that they just misunderstood what he was trying to say.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/rape
Rape is having sex with someone against their will. Relax.
_Cattack_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only part you need to focus on. Whether you like it or not, rape is still sex. Granted their very different, but they're both sex none-the-less. I'm not saying the guy is right, but they made a mistake in terminology. Get off his back.
sullenbetty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really feel like I'm on his back since I haven't replied to him or anything (I just super disagree with him). But I would argue that terminology is important and conflating rape with any other kind of sex has real world consequences. Yes, rape and sex have penetration (not always, just generally) in common but really rape probably has a lot more in common with a mugging or a violent attack than sex in any other way. And I don't really see people attacking him, more so challenging his really cavalier attitude about rape. I think people are upset about his terminology because of the thinking that they feel went into those word choices.
_Cattack_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the differences between rape and sex. My point was, he read it in a different way as other people. And the fact that he's being downvoted like crazy and being told they need a psych evaluation, can be construed as being 'attacked'. For all we know English might not even be his/her first language. I don't think they're meaning to say rape is sex. I think they may have just misunderstood the initial comment.
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:51:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No that's not what happened at all. That 12 year old girl is not a woman, and it was not making love it was rape. Two very different things here.
thatserver ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:54:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed you meant making love just as a way of saying having sex with.
But a teenage girl catching her teen bf cheating on her would be the same, wouldn't it? Are you sure adulthood is necessary?
So there has to be jealousy for it to be a crime of passion? Is that the defining aspect?
mermaid_pants ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:01:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucked in the head? You think that an adult man raping a 12 year old is the same as a teenager cheating on his girlfriend?
thatserver ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:13:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I think finding your partner putting his penis inside someone else is the same as finding your partner putting his penis inside someone else.
They can both cause some passionate responses.
awry_lynx ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:56:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. Seriously? You don't see a difference between 1) your partner has sex with another person and the other person wants to have sex with them and 2) your partner holds someone else down and forces himself inside them?
Really?
shadowenx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:41 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Words are words, guys, it's all the same isn't it?????
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
...jesus christ, reddit.
thatserver ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:35:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lost you. Have a good one.
Sofaboy90 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you guys make it sound like a clear cut case, that woman nearly killed her boyfriend ffs. the guy wasnt threatening anybodys life, sure its really ugly what he did and he was never going to get away with it once she found out. i am all for self defense but i cant feel like this couldve been handled without nearly killing even a guilty guy.
it leaves a really really bad taste in my mouth that so many people praise this woman as a hero and she did everything right, its actually really disgusting reading all of this imo.
its not the way you should handle this situation, not at all and people pretend like this behaviour is the ideal way to handle it which it absolutely is not, you nearly killed somebody who did not have intentions to kill anybody.
everybody of the 3 gets off worse this situation than it could have been handled. the daugher did not only got sexually harassed but also witnessed a nearly a killing, dude almost died, he was going to jail anyway the moment he got caught and the woman might just end up in jail as well.
yes its the heat of the moment, yes humans react much differently in these heated situations but it does not make you immune to the law, self defense or defense of another being is very complex and depends on context, this is not a clear context, he wasnt trying to kill anybody, she wasnt protecting a human who was in danger of dying, the assaulter never had lethal intentions in his act, yet she did, so this is very very far away from a clear cut case where she gets away with this
theRandomTiger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:06:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tap him on the shoulder and politely tell him it's not appropriate to rape her twelve year old daughter. No worries, he'll be sane and listen and line up for jail. There's no concern that he'll continue his assault, or attack her for witnessing it, or coach the daughter to never tell anyone about it.
Of course, waiting 20 minutes for the police arrive and letting the rape continue meanwhile is the best course of action. /s
They fought, and he grabbed her by the neck, and then after she finally forced him outside he kicked down the door to come in again.
The fun thing about rape, in addition, is that convictions are often really hard to prove. It gets easier to prosecute with younger victims because you just need to prove that sex happened rather than that force or coercion was used, but it's still not necessarily clear cut.
If there's a better way to handle the situation in your opinion, I'm curious what it is.
Sofaboy90 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:23:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what exactly couldve been worse this situation? imo the only possible solution worse would be that he wouldve died from the attacks.
they were in a relationship, they know each other. and if shes willing to stab him multiple times, it does not seem like hes the dominant guy who can tell her to do whatever he wants. im sure she couldve given him something like a big slap in the face, loud screams to get him out of hits "im about to sexually harass my daughter" zone.
to be honest, im not extremely shocked about what the woman did, im extremely shocked about how this post is in general agreement that shes a hero and he would even deserve to die.
like i can feel that woman, i can sympathize with her but it doesnt mean im fully comfortable with the situation, im especially not comfortable calling her a hero, if anything she reacted like the average human would react in that situation, that doesnt make her a hero, shes just been in a situation very rare to your average human, thats why what she did might seem like heroism. any proper parent would do everything to protect their children.
im just dont like the thought that somebody nearly died when anything violent couldve been avoided. it would be a different situation if he was attacking her first with intention to physically hurt and maybe kill her and she would defend herself but thats not what happened, she was the one starting it and i think the court room will see it the same way
theRandomTiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about she finds out her twelve year old daughter is 20 weeks pregnant because her boyfriend molested her, or worse, because she found out that he was doing it and let him continue to avoid conflict. They spend months trying to pull it together and recover, eventually realize that her belly is growing, and because this is Cleveland Ohio, there's no exception that lets her abort in the case of rape or incest. So a thirteen year old has to have a kid. But of course, women need to accept the consequences if they want to go around town sexing it up. Can't just let people get off scott free being sluts /s
That sounds pretty horrid to me.
... She was the one "starting it". When he's the one who's raping her daughter. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I think you're falling victim to the fallacy that because she used violence in this instance she would stand up in every instance, and that standing up always works. I find it really bizarre you think the guy who decided to rape a kid before she had the chance to find a boyfriend like a creepy asshole is some kind of mild mannered, misunderstood soul.
What would the heroic thing been to have done? And why should the courts convict her for doing what any proper parent would have done, as you say?
cmd8801 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:09:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the very least he deserved
Gonzo262 ยท 232 points ยท Posted at 13:50:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly qualifying as pest removal.
Amilo159 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 14:10:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which really isn't a crime.
cavsfan212 ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 14:36:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More of a public service tbh
Digitalburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should make the Reddit Good Human awards. She'll get one.
irollaoneeverytime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I logged in just to upvote this comment :D
RobJob130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Garbage disposal"
pfeifits ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 14:15:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is defense of other. Not a crime. A justified violent act.
kineticunt ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:24:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah otherwise we are saying what? The only other option would be for her to sit their and watch her daughter be raped or run for help while that's going on. Hopefully she walks
Taddare ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:34:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it is considered 'self defense of the third person."
JG_ruiz ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 14:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is absolutely grounds for third party self defense. You can claim it in orders to stop a violent felony.
Enshaednn ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:48:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should always read articles you have opinions on though
28Hz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't have to!
I'm on Reddit!
Enshaednn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:16:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rats! He got away with it again!
Hav3_Y0u_M3t_T3d ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:53:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I plan on it, it's just too damn early in the morning to read something this fucked up
Frostblazer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:25:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A crime of passion implies that you are engaged in something that is inherently wrong while overcome by emotion, such as killing the guy you see sleeping with your wife. Since the mother was defending her daughter she would not have been engaged in wrongdoing, thus it wouldn't have been a crime of passion.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some states this would be illegal and you would need to call the police and wait for them to arrive. I believe new jersey is an example but I could be wrong
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crime of passion on his part, maybe. Straight up self defense in hers. She committed no crime at all.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:52:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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darth_malz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on now, this comment is on every grim article.
Moezso ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:22:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't stab him enough times, imo, he still breathes.
nocturnalis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:31:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After hearing about so many mother letting men rape/molest their daughters, it's really nice to see on stand up for their child.
Kasha71 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:38:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to congratulate her for not being afaid to give that fucker what he deserves. Well done! ๐
SunshineAllDayLong ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:23:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It pisses me off that the report says she attacked him in a fit of rage. She defended her child who was being raped.
Harknights ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:23:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me check the list of reasons to stab someone. Yep right here on page 4. Nothing to see here. Move along.
imtriing ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Page four?! Page fucking one!
superkp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's a small pamphlet, so they've got every page-surface numbered as a page.
The cover, that's page 1.
The table of contents. That's like half a page for a small pamphlet. Ooh - the other half could be the author's comments. Maybe some inspirational quote related to justice and knives. So that's like 2 pages now...
Got it! The copyright information! That's a page by itself!
So the actual content starts on page 4.
ArminusX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing someone rape your daughter is a pretty good reason
Stewbaka ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:21:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 6 times? Fuck that. I would blood-eagle the motherfucker.
PainerReviews ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 14:01:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This Woman deserves a medal and Not legal Problems. I really Hope the Girl can recover from this Monster...
Wicket_Warrick ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 14:46:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I support your sentiment, but what is going on with your capitalization?
PainerReviews ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:53:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
send from a phone in a crowded Subway. coupled with autocorrect
YuSik ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:59:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure it's a full 12 inches!
dirty_cuban ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:20:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/totallynotrobots
leonra28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good anime.
Reverend_James ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:30:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should still go to court... as a witness in the rape case.
Macscotty1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Did you stab this man raping your daughter?"
"Yes."
"Did you at least Julius Ceasar him and stab him 23 times?"
"No."
"Well go get the other 18 in and you're free to go."
Reverend_James ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you please demonstrate for the court what you did when you saw what was happening.
Macscotty1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hmmm, okay now turn to the side 90 degrees and show the right and left sides of the court what happened so they can also see."
blockpro156 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:44:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll still need to make sure that everything happened as she says it did, but yeah I hope that it wont be too bothersome for her, she did the right thing. (If it's all true.)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:56:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hicklebear ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not boken, just damaged. What's been damaged can be repaired by the right people. The crack left behind only makes you unique, something that anyone worth a damn will see the value in.
USApwnKorean ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:59:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy is a monster, deserves to be eliminated
Wiebejamin ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:36:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[reads first half]
Well she sounds like a total psycho.
[reads second half]
Never mind she was completely justified.
emp_mei_is_bae ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:59:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hope she doesn't get in trouble and I hope he gets max punishment
NathanDickson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:01:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As Rosanne once said, โI admire her restraint.โ
superventurebros ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:58:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland Woman, Florida Man's arch nemesis
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:35:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he wasn't stabbed enough.
coops678 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:11:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman I know (mid 30s) was raped by her older brother at a party. A week or two later she told a friend who persuaded her to report it to the police. Meanwhile, the friend got so angry that he beat the crap out of her brother. The brother was arrested, charged with rape and taken to court. He reported the beating. The girl's friend was arrested, charged with GBD and taken to court. The brother got off scott free with a not proven verdict. The friend received a guilty verdict and a suspended sentence. The kicker: prior to the trial the woman's family tried to persuade her to drop charges. Since then they've pretended like it didn't happen. Now they try to organise family gatherings to include the brother and sister and get annoyed when the woman says she doesn't want to be in the same room as her brother. The phrase 'you two have to make up at some point' is one of the many insensitive ones that have been used.
ChilieMacPalmer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:19:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She doesn't have to make up with him ever.
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, tell that to her mother who changes the topic any time my friend mentions what happened to her (whether out of anger, sadness, or making a point). Her mother just pretends like it didn't happen. Proper lala land stuff.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religious family?
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually no, not that I can think of. There not church goers (if that counts as not religious). I'm curious, what mental link made you suggest that?
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's true..
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, because what is true?
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sexual deviants are usually religious.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go ahead and cite that.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask some priests
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or learn about psychology
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:18 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://globalnews.ca/news/3449723/vatican-sex-abuse-case-backlog-pope-francis/
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And religious people also tend to deny reality, or be too lenient with bad people, a la, telling her to forgive her brother. They may not be church goers, but it would just make sense the mom at least is a religious person. Or she's just a fucked up moron, that was probably raped herself a few times
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd happily go with fucked up moron!
Re-AnImAt0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know there are many people like this. Usually it involves a mother ignoring her daughter being raped or molested by her husband/boyfriend but I will never understand this. It will never make sense in my head. I understand that people don't want to believe a loved one has done something terrible. I get that. The victim is a loved one also. I can't fathom the mental gymnastics these people do.
In my rational mind I can only think of 2 possibilities. The mother believes her daughter was raped but doesn't care because her son was the perpetrator or the mother doesn't believe the rape occurred and thinks her daughter tried to have her brother imprisoned for years with a false rape accusation. I can understand one or the other but in either case the mother would be disowning one or the other of her children. I don't know how she can attempt a relationship with both. Either she's knowingly carrying on a relationship with a man who raped her daughter or she's carrying on a relationship with a woman who made a false rape accusation against her son, attempting to have him imprisoned for years. There's no in-between, no fence sitting. One or the other definitely occurred.
My rational mind just can't comprehend either behavior. I have two daughters, ages 14 and 20. If either are ever raped the perpetrator better hope the police find him before I do so they can protect him. If it were a family member that did this to my daughter it would be much worse on them. The betrayal of my daughter's trust, my trust, the trust of the rest of my family would result in some medieval shit. You can love someone and still realize they are sick individuals the world would be better off without.
I've never met this woman and she already has me pissed at just the thought of this.
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With my outside opinion I think that it's one of those classic denial things. She showed her family and friends her bruises at the time (arms, chest) so I think they all knew that it had happened but that the family protected themselves from the truth. Kind of like: "it was a party, he was drunk, she was passed out drunk (in a spare room at a friend's house party), he must have mistaken her for another woman, no-one tries to sleep with their sister, that's not possible" and so the denial goes on.
My mother was fierce. I'd love to have her back again. She would have fought for me and that's something I miss and something I wish others could have too. In my mind it's like a mother is there to be your one true defender (when you're not being a complete shithead that is). It has me truly baffled when I don't see that happen elsewhere.
zeekar ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:01:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ladies and gentlemen, the case for jury nullification.
BulletBilll ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:36:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably doesn't even need jury nullification. It was an act in defense of a minor.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It won't even make it that far. The DA and judge would shake her hand.
A_trajick_end ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:15:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real tragedy here is that it was only a pocket knife and not something significantly larger
Corndogginit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:35:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm....I gonna go with the rape of the child being the real tragedy.
tarlton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jugular is really not very deep in the neck at all.
NuderWorldOrder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing someone with a really long knife while they're lying on top of your daughter might not be a good idea.
bardoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you would prefer the woman to suffer because she killed someone? There's not many people that can kill people and not feel bad afterwise. And it's even more true when the one you kill is someone you know.
A_trajick_end ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quit being reasonable. This is reddit.
tarlton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the perfect world, you protect the victim, capture the attacker without the use of significant violence, and the attacker is arrested and tried for their crimes. You, the victim and society win.
In the worst world, you do nothing, the victim is victimized, the attacker goes on to victimize others, AND you live for the rest of your life with knowing you did nothing.
In the middle are...a whole lot of different ways things can go. Rendering someone incapable of doing harm WITHOUT risking killing or permanently injuring them is actually very hard unless you're a good bit larger or more skilled. And in a case where you've caught the attacker by surprise, getting and keeping that momentum may be your only chance of success. Stop short of what was required, and you may have just become the second victim.
In a scenario like this one, my personal feeling is that the death of the attacker is not desirable, but is acceptable. I should use the approach that most certainly and effectively defends the victim as the first priority, and then secondarily try to keep the attacker alive afterwards. I've never been there, so I don't know if that's what I would ACTUALLY do, and I don't know how I'd feel about it afterwards. But that's what I've concluded I /ought/ to do.
bardoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of this man could traumatize the daughter and the woman. Therefore, if the knife was better, the mental impact on these two would be superior. I don't care about the attacker dying btw. I am just a consequencialist, and, if the knife was bigger, the consequences would have been worse for both the attacker and the women. But, sure, a bigger knife would be less risky, if that's what you are trying to say.
tarlton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never known someone who went through an experience quite like this (violently ending an assault). They're both going to be traumatized as it is, and I hope they'll both get counseling.
(Actually, on a practical level, I suspect a bigger knife would have been MORE risky. I was really off on a tangent about whether you use a potentially lethal means of defense, in a situation where that's the most reliable but knowing you're incurring possible trauma, or use a defense that has less consequence if you win but more risk of losing)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MrNogginHead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im not sure how good that would be for stabbing
Scolopendra_Heros ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like a gun
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:58:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And not a jury in the god damn world should convict her.
BenderDeLorean ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 14:35:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should give that woman a medal and someone other should cut this pedophiles balls off, tattoo pedo in his face and then throw him into the worst prison.
Normally I am not a aggressive person but this makes me more than sick and angry.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:18:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the 8th amendment.
BenderDeLorean ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:26:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That a punishment cannot be to hard or to cruel? I agree with that.
But this ia very nice and not tio hard punishment for molesting or raping an innocent child. Do you know what life raped children have afterwards? Some need surgery afterwards, it's really cruel and sad.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the whole unusual part.
zombiemakemelol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but I think maybe when people weaponize sex, they should lose their weapon. Unusual would be a red hot poker up his ass, cutting his dick off because he can't use it properly is at least related to his crime.
Definitely cruel though, so there is that. Idk, I'm torn on this one.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gotenks1114 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:23:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we can put little gold stars on their clothing and put them into labor camps.
missMcgillacudy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:00:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Face tattoos are a great idea for pedos, I always just thought death penalty for a second offense would be good. But the death penalty is just so, controversial. But a face tattoo tells everyone exactly what madness the person wearing it is capable of.
You, are very smart.
Macscotty1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:22:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think death penalty is only good when the person is completely guilty. Like any terrorist attack or mass shooter where there isn't any denying. The only thing I hate about the death penalty is when we know someone did something like the Aurora theatre shooter, they still get to attest to every appeal they can. And if they do get an appeal they spend the rest of their life in prison and our taxes pay to keep them alive.
Its why I really don't like the insanity plea. Yeah they're insane, of course they are. No sane person shoots up a place or bombs a building. Why even keep them alive if they will never contribute to society? But then you have the flip side like you said of the death penalty being controversial where you have a guy waiting on death row for 30-40+ years or he is already killed and then DNA comes out and says "Whoops you were innocent the whole time." and that's the part that sucks the most.
missMcgillacudy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:32:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, that darn evidence showing up after the sentance is carried out is a real bummer every time. It's the strongest point to debate against the use of it. But a face tattoo that says pedo sounds about right. I mean, if everyone is certain this guy deserves a label after maybe the second charge sticks.
disILiked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if evidence comes back they didnt do it, tatoo removel..
gotenks1114 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:55:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure people will be as understanding of that as they are of innocent verdicts in cases like this. The damage is already done. Your life is already ruined over something you didn't do.
missMcgillacudy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just a coverup tattoo, could do dragon scales, and then they can be a fisherman
t_rollawaya ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com.br/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4594554/amp/Tattoo-artist-inks-thief-s-forehead-thief.html
As someone who still lives in a shady neighborhood in Brazil, these pieces of shit usually come from middle/lower-middle class families and have hard working parents. They don't steal because they need it, they steal because they can.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:22:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give her a medal for exposing her family to a pedophile? What a champion of motherhood this woman is!
[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 15:09:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A medal for bringing a predator into her home? Mama chose this monster and brought him into her childrenโs life. The only reason she looks good is because we are comparing her actions to that of a child molester.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:18:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know she knew he was a Pedo?
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:28:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She chose to bring this person around her children, whether she outright knew he was a child molestor or not is irrelevant. Anybody that brings a predator into their home, around their children, shares in the culpability. Parents are responsible for who comes into their homes, period.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:30:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the hell was she supposed know he was a predator?
BenderDeLorean ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:13:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume she didn't know that before...and that's the reason we need Pedo face tattoos.
ulfricstormblade ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:03:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She deserves a medal. ๐
He's a piece of trash and an insult to our species. When you feel down and that you're no good , compare yourself to this worthless piece of #=ยฃ@
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok. You can swear on the internet. I won't tell your mom.
Nekopawed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:15:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honey, this is what happens in the real world when you mess with a woman's kid.
ChristoWhat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:16:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to buy that little girl a stuffed animal, the mom a double shot of strong liquor and to inform everyone on that guys future cell block of exactly why he's in there.
sbouzounis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a wonder why the headline doesn't read "Cleveland Woman Stops Attempted Rape of Her Daughter"...
GbHaseo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This dude is a piece of work.. "She stabbed me bc her 12 yr old had feelings for me". No, she stabbed you bc you were naked on top of a 12 yr old telling her "this is what's like in the real world to have a boyfriend.
A kid having a crush on an adult is a normal thing, teachers deal with it a lot. You explain to them what's wrong about the situation, not rape them.
whoopsiegoldbergers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She only stabbed him 6 times?
I admire her restraint.
Ochmithia ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:31:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once worked with and befriended a girl who found out her father had been raping her sister (and quite possibly her. She might have not wanted to tell me that, understandably) since she was 5 years old. When they told the mother she was angry at first, but decided to stay with the man and "work on things as a family". The girl I knew seemed to understand this and even defended it when I was horrified by the idea. I left the topic alone after that, but when I remember what she told me, I have such deep feelings of hurt for her sister and even for her. She was 18 at the time, but I feel like she was brainwashed and manipulated. Such trauma :(
lordfoull ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:08:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really a shame she didn't have a better knife.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll wish that she had a better knife as a pedo sex offender in prison.
mr_newell5001 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:45:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? What's the problem here?
legalbeagle5 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on comments, it seems the issue is he ain't dead.
mr_newell5001 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:50:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that is a shame.
Saito1337 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:05:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, the treatment he will receive in jail when they are told what he did will be worse than death.
ceruleanlotus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:25:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See how he likes it when someone else forces their cock inside them. Hope it hurts and it bleeds. Disgusting monster.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ reddit is sadistic. If we're going to hope he gets tortured for the rest of his life, let's just agree to kill the guy.
SlenderLlama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Abusing children or people clearly unable to defend themselves is heinous. I have no remorse for those who commit such terrible acts.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then surely we can just execute him instead of paying millions throughout his life so he can live a life of torture.
bayleafy1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it actually costs more to execute someone than for them to serve a life sentence on death row apparently. The cheaper option for us tax payers is for the inmates to go at him.
SlenderLlama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does he deserve such a nice clean end to potentially ruining someone's life? Just a quick "hes dead" doesn't really feel like Justice to me, but I'm a more sinister person.
Don't remember the numbers exactly but 5 years in death row is usually more expensive than life in max but that depends on state. CA hasn't executed someone in like 30 years (not relevant to much but I like to rant)
Edit: saw this is Cleveland not LA. ok I get it I'm an arrogant Cali boy who can't ever look past his neighborhood :P
superkp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thank you.
Wishing sexual assault upon someone is wrong. I don't care what the reason for wishing it is.
mr_newell5001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. But I think the mom would feel better knowing she ended the man who did this horrible thing to her daughter.
Saito1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd let her finish the job if that helped her get closure.
chiefsport ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:46:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A perfectly reasonable response.
Sno_Wolf ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:52:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman: He slipped and fell on my knife, officer.
Cop: Six times?
Woman: Yes.
Cop: ...okay then! Have a nice day, Ma'am!
tidho ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:51:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Case may come down to how much force was necessary to stop the assault (legal), versus how much force in excess of that was used (illegal).
If the investigation confirms the woman's story though, a jury is going to be very sympathetic. Mom will be fine.
DoritoLocoTaco ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:09:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man also choked the mom, threw her against a wall, and broke down the front door. (Also, though unexplained, the mother and daughter both suffered from "lacerations on their hands.") I suspect that's more than enough to justify her use of a pocket knife.
XXTwnz ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is evidence she didn't use enough force and take him out so he couldn't hurt either of them.
superkp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:37:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, that's up to the jury to decide.
But yeah. reddit is of one mind on this matter.
TerrorAlpaca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a pocketknife or even a kitchen knife doesn't have a hand guard that stops the hand from slipping. stabbing into flesh is much harder than one would expect so the hand tends to slip towards the knife. also lacerations to the hands and lower arms usually appear due to defending yourself from a knife attack. so the boyfriend might have gotten the knife in his hands at some point.
tidho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably all of that happened after the assault on the daughter stopped. That could mean trouble for the mom too. Breaking down the door seems to seal the case against him though, just acknowledging we haven't heard his side of the story.
mspk7305 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:46:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was trying to rape a child and you want to see if he can justify that?
tidho ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:52:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, no.
He's an open and shut case. Attempted rape of a minor and battery. Hopefully he goes to jail a long time, and his fellow inmates treat him exactly like they have a reputation for treating child rapists.
Her case is contingent on the amount of sympathy for him that his story creates. She'll get away with what she did to end the assault on her daughter, how thing happened after that threat was ended could lead to charges against her though.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tidho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. She was also a threat to him well after the assault on her daughter.
That's why the details are important.
mspk7305 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:09:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is justified in being a threat. He is not.
tidho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree with you, but its still subjective. That's why we have trials.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:19:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tidho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think so either.
I did read it, article didn't include his side. I think the kicking down the door part would be the last straw for him though. Tough to muster any sympathy for him after that.
bamboo_boogie_boots_ ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:02:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a jury in history would convict
DrSteveChipperson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:31:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not a prosecutor on earth would charge her (with intent of actually winning)
mspk7305 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:45:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They might charge her with like... Having a knife of insufficient lethality.
GaGaORiley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why people opt for bench trials.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm nitpicking here, and fully agree with your sentiment, but I have to disagree. I feel certain that throughout history, there most definitely was a jury that would convict this woman regardless of her motive.
dirty_cuban ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The asshole is recovering from the stab wounds and talking to police. I would say mom didn't stab enough.
tidho ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly an emotionally reasonable response. If she killed him chances of going to jail would increase significantly.
Hopefully he gets some time, and they take care of him on the inside.
mspk7305 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
She would have been within her rights to axe murder him.
tidho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically not true.
mspk7305 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:18 on September 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just technically true, literally true.
USS_Aayhan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries gents, Ohio has Castle doctrine. She'll be fine
Legally speaking.
gregie156 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what the law is, but if what makes the stabbing legal is "to stop a potential rape", then it's probable that some strong words would have been enough. The details are very sketchy, though.
Axel_H ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:57:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I mall for due process but I mean like guy got he deserved I can't blame he for what she did, protecting her daughter
Iwentfishing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:39:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was almost English. Good job!
Axel_H ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol was in the middle of class and was typing under the table. I apologize for my "almost English"
BrosocialistAvenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps, due process is a burden we impose on the state so to reduce mistakes. We as citizens aren't under the same burden.
So you don't have to worry this woman didn't follow due process in stabbing this guy. If she was a judge at his rape trial the summary stabbing would be bad, but she was acting as a private person in self-defense of a third party.
gregie156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Due process is every person's right to be processed fairly through the judicial system. Joe citizen can't be counted upon to be fair and proportional. Citizens dealing out their own punishment is a violation of due process.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gregie156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was replying to the guy who said due process only applies to the government.
Are you sure about this? I'm no lawyer, so I don't know. Like, if someone gropes me in public, I guess I'd be justified slapping them, but not justified to shooting them. Again, not a lawyer, could be wrong.
lostr0nin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:56:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stand boyfriend..." Me: oh Jesus another psycho "after finding him naked" Ooh, the plot thickens "on top of 12 year-old daughter " Ah, well okay then. Good job, mom.
Iwentfishing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks to you and the 5 other users in this thread for explaining to us how you read it. I mean we were all wondering what was going through your mind.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me like she didn't stab him enough
magicmann2614 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the woman goes uncharged
FrankSinatraYodeling ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The investigator should find that he repeatedly fell on a knife.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:44:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, crimes against children and animals make me a little nostalgic for a time when your village would have just pushed you off a cliff for being incompatible with humanity.
6chan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:14:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My internal monologue while reading this:
"OMG, what is wrong with this woman, oh she did good, more power to her"
No court is going to put her in jail is what i am guessing.
morgan423 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if she were charged and convicted, I could totally see the judge saying, "I sentence you to five minutes. Time has been served, have a good day."
6chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The nerve of this asshole; he molested the 12 year old and then attacked the mother too.
WTF is wrong with people!
cleanforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they would dare to put anything on her criminal record over this. Last thing you want is to discourage people from stopping child abuse.
CMDR_Sunless ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't plea lady. Take a jury trial.
Everyone decent (most people) have your back.
cmilliorn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
He's guilty as fuck, it is very common for people who have abused a child to talk about it in this manner. Deflect the rape and stabbing into she may have done it because her child likes me.... wtf
D00bage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ok with this.. The punishment fits the crime
Lostinthemist81 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:40:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At what point do things like this stop becoming a crime and start becoming just a logical reaction to one of the most fucked up things imaginable?
kimchiandrice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
..sounds like she didn't have a big enough knife.
dhruveishp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:44:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This headline is like a roller coaster ride. First you think the woman is a criminal but after you realize she is a fucking hero.
nebula82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:11:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely good reason to stab repeatedly.
adanipse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:38:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He got away easy in my book.
Owl02 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:38:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'd better get used to it, probably gonna get stabbed a whole lot more in prison.
_deedas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to say she should walk free then I saw the first comment saying she wasn't charged. Man, I'm so happy. If that shit ever happens to a kid, the parents should be allowed to kill the person.
gdaily ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:28:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't realize that even prison inmates HATE child offenders.
This guys nightmares are going to turn into reality the moment he steps into a prison shower.
I don't mean sexually, he will be beaten to death.
TerrorAlpaca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually, i've read from inmates that say differently. while , contrary to popularly believe, many people know this rumour, it is not always true. most inmates aren't really that violent and just want to finish their sentence. you'd have to get the pedo into the apropriate prison with violent offenders that do not shy back from causing more violence while in prison.
sarcastagirly ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:07:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had cause ... Hope she cut his wang off
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, Mom. I'm so sick of hearing stories of mothers not giving a shit or not believing their daughters when they say they're being abused and raped by the mom's boyfriend.
truthdust ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's lucky it was only a pocket knife. If I found my boyfriend like that with my daughter he wouldn't be so lucky.
Tyrone_Asaurus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that seems a bit excessive...
She should have stabbed him 13 times
Luposetscientia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you need a valid reason to stab someone; here it is.
Goongagalunga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a logging town, too. I know people who ended up at the bottom of a well for far less than rape. Have you seen the movie Otis? So satisfying!
Elo_Solo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife TEN times.
HE HAD IT COMING
soundsfromoutside ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is what the real world feels like" the man said as he was about to rape the girl.
The mother better not serve a minute of jail time. She did what any mother would do.
Bman409 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Metaphorically, he has a point.
.......But I digress.. they should still kill him
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope this woman doesn't face jail time for protecting her daughter. I mean, what else would you do in that situation? Politely tell him to get off her? Fuck no, her maternal instincts kicked in, and I'm so glad.
But watch, she'll be locked up while he's walking free.
zennyc001 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:37:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No charges were filed.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is never walking free charged with sexual assault of a minor - he is going down hard, good fucking riddance. I'd expect the woman to get a reduced assault sentence due to "defence".
INITMalcanis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$50 fine because who's gonna get the stain out of this carpet, young lady???
aeturnes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they give her a medal?
yeswayjoze ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anything, this is an under-reaction.
csfloorwife ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't kill the bastard.
ejackson2010 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would too. Good for her. And her poor daughter:(
justin_memer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad it was only a pocket knife, not a butcher's knife.
DawnDevonshire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
Yep. That's gotta be why she stabbed him. 12 year old girls are always trying to take their mother's boy friends. Have fun in prison. I hear they don't take kindly to child rapists.
winepigsandmush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it still dosen't explain why he was naked.
Unless, you know, he can actually produce a shirt, with matching stab wounds, and with his blood on it. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
Absence of evidence obviously isn't proof, but his version seems to be that
A. The girl had a crush on him, (could be true). B. The mother was dangerously unstable, (could be true).
...but he didn't 'nope out' of this situation?
His defense collapses at the first hurdle. If i were on the jury, I couldn't find reasonable doubt.
The hell of it is, this poor kid will end up being fostered out.
DawnDevonshire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. No matter the girl's feels, romantic or not, I think the rule regarding having intercourse with a 12 year old is don't do it ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever. Ever. Never ever. Something like that.
PM_ME_YOUR_FACE_BOOK ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if ya have to stab someone.......... may as well be a child rapist
BawlmerGooner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god for that woman.
Vigilias ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems reasonable, no?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that's totally fine... I hope she doesn't get time for that... she's just a mama protecting her baby and she should be celebrated instead of punished.
o0cynix0o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sho_nuff_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So everybody that has cancer did some fucked up shit at one point? GTFO
Albirie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not at all what they said
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sho_nuff_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:55:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How karma works went over yours
Eyedeafan88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I would say the guy had it coming.
absolutelynotkat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf she should've slaughtered him
Dr_Esquire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I started reading the headline and thought, "Oh, another crazy lady post." I continued reading and thought, "oh, she was very rational after all."
pleet29 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how can i upvote more than once. what a great woman.
Rebel_wallet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:05:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like an appropriate response
Maxpnrq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would it be immoral for medical personnel to refuse treatment of people like this?
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they caught the guy doing it, I would say yes.
Anyone can be accused of anything. It doesn't make the accusation true.
The cops have now arrested they guy, so they must got the results of the rape kit back positive. But if the mom had lied and they refused treatment? They would be just as big a bunch of scumbags as he is.
RaygunnerRei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please let the judge give her a light sentence, or let her off scot-free. Too many rapists in todays world get away with it.
tillders ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an accurate response
AttilaTheChunn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a perfectly reasonable response to me
straightsally ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:27:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is what its like in the REAL WORLD when you get caught having sex with a minor.
Andi23765 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:59:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He ran into my knife He ran into my knife ten times
4_string_troubador ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:17:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable and measured response
They ended up charging him with rape. The mother has not been charged
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
MegaTonMurderer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:53:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would've done the same thing! Good for her! Cleveland police need to castrate this fucker.
darthtredips ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:06:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland police find man who repeatedly stabbed himself after being found naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, report says."
extramayonnaiseplz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:07:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. Fuck that guy!
Boobs_Guns_BEER ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His ass better be fucking dead. Fuck people that pray on children
rdx-spyrogyra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought while reading your post. Catlics kneeling on children whilst praying like they do with their kneeling pads at mass.
ArmoredDuckie105x4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:20:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When is her awards ceremony?
Duskren ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"And then he ran into my knife... He ran into my knife... 10 times....
HE HAD IT COMING!!"
But jokes aside, I'm glad to hear that she did that. That dude sounds like an asshole. To do that to a minor... Fucking bastard.
TheBoni ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:42:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did she stab him in the dick? I hope she stabbed him in the dick.
At_Work_SND_Coffee ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:24:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I hope she pleads not guilty and is let go like that dad from Florida.
PatrickPlan8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you are a woman in florida then You get 5 to 10 federal time for firing a warning shot at an abusive husband or someone raping your child.
At_Work_SND_Coffee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That literally happened once, and that was because it was a domestic incident not child rape, the father I was talking about had the same issue as this person and stomped the guys ass.
Also that woman did not face any jail time once the trial was over.
DJ_Jungle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally agree with vigilante actions, but I have absolutely no problem with this mother's response. If that was my daughter that mother fucker would probably be dead.
USS_Aayhan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:14:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't call this vigilante, this is legitimate defense of self and others.
superkp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vigilante tends to assume that you are acting outside the law.
Defense of others. End of story.
She's within her legal (and I would argue, moral) rights to anything that she can to stop him.
KellerMB ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:51:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep it classy Ohio.
No problem with the mom here. Well, aside from her choice in boyfriend.
the-effects-of-Dust ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:08:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're not trying to be problematic but we cannot blame this on the mother. Child molesters are/can be super charming and seem completely normal until they get caught molesting. Same with psychopaths and abusive humans in general. No part of this is the mother's fault.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:21:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not sure what the state has to do with it. Tragically, child abuse, rape and molestation occur around the world, in every state, and any parent in their right mind would have done what this woman did.
KellerMB ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:44:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Ohio is what the state has to do with it, sadly.
Glad we agree the mother responded appropriately.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Seattle and I know people who have been abused.
I really think it's an important point: this can happen to anyone, anywhere. Class has nothing to do with it, nor does geography.
lethalitykd ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro that shit doesn't happen in hip cali ok?
frightpath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing the guy raping your daughter is that sort of hard-nosed, blue-collar, Ohio gumption I like to see in a woman.
mybachhurts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What state do you live in? You think nothing like this has ever happened there?
What a dumb statement.
Aq425 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 13:53:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking horrible. She did the right thing protecting her child from a predator.
But ya gotta wonder. Guys don't jump 12-year-olds out of the blue. Guys who like little kids are generally repeat offenders. I wonder if he raised any red flags during their relationship.
MrCheekySpartan ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 14:18:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best predators can seem so normal on the surface. Many serial killers find victims through acting. Part of being a sociopath is acting normal so that you can go about your business with less scrutiny. They have very good skills at observing humans objectively, and they calculate what facial expressions, gestures, or phrasing to use to get them where they want to be.
Essentially what i'm saying is the that If you want to be a good liar, just convince everyone that you're terrible at lying.
UneasyInsider ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:05:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Small correction: The best Predators in fact have camouflage technology to remain unseen by their victims.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just have to look for their tell-tale shimmer.
UneasyInsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carry a bucket of mud, paint or any opaque liquid of your choosing at all times. Simply launch the contents at them whenever you feel suspicious. Works for me.
siskos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Dexter
MrCheekySpartan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How'd you know that's who I was thinking of?
siskos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching it with my so atm, a bit late to the party i know
theCroc ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:14:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be surprised if that was the first time he attacked the daughter. He has probably done it before and managed to hide it from the mother.
KaptainKrondre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly depends on how long the relationship was going on. It really could have been his first time doing that to her or he could have spent time talking/convincing her into trying it. Without much information to go on, its all speculation. All i know is that anyone who blames the child in any manner is very wrong since the man is an adult and knows actions like that with a child is seriously wrong and fucked up.
blockpro156 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:52:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of these guys are great at hiding, and there always has to be a first time when they get caught.
jadwy916 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing with these guys. It's not the first time he's done it, it's the first time he got. Or, at least it's the first time he got caught and stabbed repeatedly.
heffernjustin1245 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:30 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well good thing she only stabbed him. I know a few women who would drag that shit out for days and just not let the cops know.
MintyTruffle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, this comment reminded me of the last scene of Precious. What a powerful performance by the mother. I forget the actress' name, but damn she did a good job in that scene. "Who's gonna love ME?!"
Edit: here's the scene.
Ragingtiger2016 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Monique. I was surprised as hell when I her saw her in that movie. Before that she was mostly known for doing stereotypical sassy fat black lady characters (Boondocks comics used to make fun of her show, the Parkers). She really showed her acting chops in Precious.
MintyTruffle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've never seen her anywhere else, I actually haven't even seen Precious - just that scene. That's why I didn't know her name, but she does such a good job it's scary.
BrosocialistAvenger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sad thing is that as a society we pretty much train women to give men the benefit of the doubt. It's usually 'just give him a chance' until after, when it becomes 'how could you not have seen how dangerous he was?'
There probably were signs, but she convinced herself she was paranoid and seeing things that weren't there. And let's face it: a lot of the grooming sexual predators do is hard to distinguish from people just being friendly with children.
I'm sure the mother is already cursing herself for not having really seen what was going on, too.
zeekar ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:13:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he were into really little kids, like 9-year-olds, it would probably have set off more warning bells. But we start sexualizing girls pretty young in our society, so the closer his "target zone" gets to puberty, the easier it would have been for him to hide his prurient interest, or for others to miss the signs.
Since I'm getting downvoted by folks missing the point, let me state categorically I'M NOT DEFENDING HIM. What this guy did was RAPE. Period. I'm just saying that the girl's age falls in a window where he might have been able to get away with actions and remarks that would have set off more serious warning bells in the mother's head if he had acted the same way when the girl was several years younger (or older, for that matter..).
69SRDP69 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lines aren't blurry. He sexually assaulted a child
zeekar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he sexually assaulted a child. That's not the line I'm talking about.
I just mean that because of the rampant sexualization of young girls in our society, men can get away with remarks and looks that really ought to set warning bells ringing and bright neon "CREEPY!" signs flashing in people's heads. Too often, they are dismissed as harmless when they're really not.
_Cattack_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um.. I don't know who you surround yourself with, but if a dude says anything sexual about a girl under the age of 16-17, he's going to get flak for it from anyone around where I live.
zeekar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on how overtly sexual it is. In my experience there's too much that is not taken seriously- it's just a dudebro being a dudebro. His friends might give him flak, but they don't necessarily start wondering if they should ask him about seeking counseling..
_Cattack_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, maybe if it's a bunch of teenagers, or a college fraternity. Any well adjusted adult is not going to say something sexual about a child without being questioned. And if no one speaks up about that, then that says a lot more about that person than the person sexualizing an underage girl.
europahasicenotmice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you grew up, but as a girl, I remember starting to get looks from older men right when my boobs started to come in, in middle school. I started waiting tables at 15, at a country club with a lot of men in their 60s and up. One guy stands out for always making lewd jokes, but a lot of the men paid attention to me. I didn't mind at the time because it meant getting more money, but looking back, it was overtly sexual, which is creepy as hell.
A girl turning 18 and being legal to fuck is a fetish in itself. Most men wouldn't act on it, being super illegal and fucked up and all, but plenty of people are just counting down the days until that 18th birthday, and are watching and semi-flirting the whole time.
Maybe you haven't experienced it yourself, but girls start being treated as sexually desirable as soon as their bodies start developing. It might not go beyond words or even just looks for some people, but it's there.
_Cattack_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a female, and I know this. But theres a difference between just looking(which is natural)/flirting, and making extremely lewd comments to a 12 year old(or under)
Tschoz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:38:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so sick of hearing this ephebophile crap. She's 12, he's a child molester (if the story is true). End of story.
zeekar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he is. He deserves every one of those stab wounds. All I'm saying that it was probably easier for him to hide an attraction to 12-year-olds than it would have been if he were attracted to, say, 9-year-olds.
JusWalkAway ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow, though, I always feel a lot more depressed when I hear about toddlers and infants raped, though, than when I hear about underage teens having sex.
To me, it's like the difference between a drunk driver killing some guy, and some one cold-bloodedly murdering their young children for insurance. Both are bad, but one is just... monstrously inhuman.
Cinnadillo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most guys like this may not get the opportunity presented and may only be a latent thing... as in, doesn't realize to seek it out
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Aq425 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kardashians, Rihanna, Niki Minaj, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Jennifer Lopez, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, etc, etc, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touche. Her mom was another one I'm sure...the Halloween when she was 13 she bought her a sexy mobster outfit to wear as a costume. Made me pretty uncomfortable.
johnnyg42 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really sad that these are role models to a majority of young girls. And adults too unfortunately. I've heard grown women say that Kim Kardashian and Amber Rose are their role models.
MissCittyCat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really sad that it's the kind of behavior men expect from women.
kasuchans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I wouldn't call Kim K a role model, but I very much do respect her business acumen.
Longhornt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You respect that she made a sex tape and got famous from it?
kasuchans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I respect that she took a single incident that could have turned her into a tawdry story for a few months and built an empire out of it. That takes some serious marketing and self-branding ability.
Longhornt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought of it that way. Kim is a low key genius I guess
Aq425 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing that. IMHO those two women are such useless, repulsive, and vapid women. After all both banged Kanye. 'nuff said.
Wutsluvgot2dowitit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, I'd let Kanye fuck me. That's such an easy pay day.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:48:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't happen often enough. Immediate and appropriate punishment.
snapdragon96 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:23:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck finding any jury member willing to convict her. The only thing she did wrong is letting him live.
Gnaedigefrau ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:43:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him," I'm sorry she didn't kill him.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:17:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO Murder should be completely legal when it comes to protecting your child from assault, sexual assault, rape etc.
Voidsabre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At that point it's no longer murder
dolphins3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:19:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that's horrible!
Oh. Carry on then.
ilypay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:56:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yea. Stab that piece of shit
tylerawn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:40:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did the article say that she attacked him in a fit of rage multiple times as if she lost control of herself and assaulted the guy? It's pretty obvious she was defending a third party from sexual assault, which in most places, justifies the use of deadly force.
Saito1337 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we give her a medal?
whynotlikemike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she committed no crime to me
fortuities ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is lucky that's all she did. He deserved it and much more. Ugh, why are such pieces of shit out there
Rhaeserys ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have kept stabbing him until he was no longer capable of harming another child.
RikMcnulty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Help the girl. Give the mum a medal. Case closed
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not going to lie. I'd probably do the same. I'm not a violent person but this is one of those "seeing red" moments. I probably would have killed him.
christein ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds Like he deserved it, otherwise his body would have been able to deflect the knife.
fffunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad he didnt die so he can get what he deserves in prison.
Bacongrazor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good!! I think that's the appropriate response
Patrickrk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You touch children, you die. Just my personal belief though.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Temporary insanity. If this happened to me they would literally had a lump of fucking flesh to clean up. Buck shot until he isn't noticeable. Don't fuck with kids.
Edit: oh good he didn't die. Inmates will fuck him up until he's found dead in the showers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like there was no victim in the stabbing... aka he got what he deserved.
Hologram22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why jury nullification can be a good thing. While I don't condone extrajudicial killing/assault, sometimes it is justified.
originaldollparts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True story: My creepy uncle and his gross wife had FOSTER KIDS. Uncle creepster was a corrections officer . The girls in his care said he molested them. I believe them. He went to prison. (Yay.) B/c of charges and corrections background was in PC for long time. Then eventually somehow went to gen pop. Dummy felt like he could be honest w cellmate as to real reason he was imprisoned. 4 weeks in infirmary recovering from that beat down. Back in PC. I did not shed a single tear for his disgusting ass. Hope he rots to death, there.
gothou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom said I was making mountains out of molehills and that I was trying to ruin her marriage.
Wish I had this mom instead.
skippyo9933 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully stabbed him in the balls, definitely doesn't need those
timeforknowledge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what would happen if corporal punishment for convicted paedophiles was put to a public vote...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KellerMB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Article also notes that the guy kicked in the front door after being chased out of the house the first time. Hopefully there were neighbors that witnessed at least some of this and can corroborate.
cutterbump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article also says that the woman & her daughter gave different accounts of what happened.
What? Looks like their accounts matchedโone from daughter's perspective (I was raped) & one from mom's perspective (he raped her).
wtf?
CorpTshirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because there's more to the story than reported. The moms story seems sketchy.
Giovannnnnnnni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Iโm concerned with what seems to be ALL the comments on here, immediately believing the stabbers story because they read โfound naked on 12 year-old daughterโ as fact.
smashthattrash1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people so fucked up? As George Carlin said, we're fresh out of the fucking cave.
RealSchon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea fuck that guy. Totally reasonable response by the woman, proud of her.
lamp42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if we learned anything today its that this guy can take a fucking stabbing. holy cow
BrigettetheNanny78 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, I hope they see her stabbing as an act of defense for her daughter rather than assault. You never know what direction things are going to go in court.
sublimesting ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is what it's like in the real world when you have a boyfriend."
The old Jerry Sandusky line!
VIIIMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That lady needed a bigger knife.
Jshea1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't get mad. I get stabby." - Fat Tony
Banana_Kama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair reason to stab someone
joshlamm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One less child molester in the world. I hope the justice system goes easy on this woman.
_Nicktheinfamous_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he survives, he should wake up in jail to find bubba naked on top of him.
xxkoloblicinxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a perfectly reasonable reaction to have in that situation.
the_taco_baron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would've killed him. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing, but i know if i were in that mother's position i would've lost control.
nmguz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for mom! Dude totally deserves to be shanked!
Vlad_The_Great_2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was that mother, that man wouldn't be alive right now. There's no other solution to the problem.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her, she should have stabbed him more
flashydee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend"
Me: Holy shit, what the hell is wrong with her
"after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter"
Me: Oh hell yeah, definitely justified. Got what he deserved.
jf286381 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. That's gross. Protect your own!
BlastHole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually ok with this.
DuelingPushkin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's pretty reasonable
Zomberry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Won't be the last time that guy gets stabbed repeatedly while naked.
b3ar75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he died and if he gets prison time. The second time around is going to be far worse on him.
Bleedlikeink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman stabs bf repeatedly "what a psycho bitch" After finding him on 12 yo daughter... "someone give this lady a public service medal"
PAR_KER ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mother of the year. If she goes to prison for even a year, I'll be pissed.
Haydn_010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When does her award get shipped out
BohoBri ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a victim of childhood sexual assault with parents who didn't do shit about it, this woman is my hero.
DorisCrockford ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She pushed him out the door and he kicked it down to get back in. He needs to be locked up for the rest of his life, which will probably be short, because the other prisoners will kill him. Child molesters are very unpopular in prison.
PM_MeMyPassword ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunate she didnt find a bigger knife.
sharkie823 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is when our legal system needs to just back TFO. If you DIDN'T have this reaction as a mother, I would think there was something wrong with you.
rootheday21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mother of the year award goes to ... . . . LA LA LAND!
cupster3006 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Appropriate response.
MartyAndRick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this woman GETS A SENTENCE for SAVING HER DAUGHTER FROM A PEDOPHILE, we riot.
corfish77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is what its like in the real world when you have a boyfriend" he says. Holy shit what a piece of filth. Hopefully the little girl doesn't grow up thinking this is normal or true.
akcufhumyzarc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should grease a big spike and give him the Vlad treatment
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. She deserves a medal not an arrest charge.
kmecha9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a monster. She might be traumatized for life.
I_am_Nic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think of me what you want - in my opinion she did the right thing.
SubLimerent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, this is all true. he just neglected to mention the feelings for him are anger, hatred, disgust
happybunnyntx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tried to pass it off as "she was jealous and thought her daughter was in love with me"
So his logical response was to try to sleep with the kid? I don't know which part of this story makes him more stupid. His piss poor excuse or even attempting an excuse when he was caught naked on a kid.
-Off-the-Cuff- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. I'd do that to protect my daughter any day of the week. Fuck that sicko.
f102 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't misconstrue what I'm about to say, but the child is fortunate in the sense that the mother isn't like some of the less than worthless parents I've had while I taught elementary school where she actually STOPPED the act.
Too many shitheel parents don't want to be alone, so they somehow find ways to rationalize what is going on while the child endures the horror(s) of sexual/physical/mental (etc) abuse.
That being said, that is the only sense in which the child is fortunate.
I hope justice is swift and severe.
Akitoscorpio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem I have with this is that the 6 stab wounds were not straight to the dick.
pruriENT_questions ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.. fuck that dude. The interview with the little girl makes my heart break.
RzK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a violent person at all, but if I had a kid and some pedo was doing shit that will scar my kid for the rest of his/her life... i'd gladly beat his face in with a brick like an enraged baboon. That kind of experience as a child stays with people forever and most of those victims don't live normal happy lives I think.
I remember reading a story here of a dad brutally beating some pedo to death and he basically got away with it. Glad some judges out there understand uncontrollable father rage, how do you not react violently? "ah, you raped my son... that really peeves me... brb gonna call 911 dude".
Mechasteel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought is, she stopped stabbing too soon. My second thought is, maybe watching someone get stabbed to death would be unhealthy for a 12-year-old.
CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give the woman a parade!
mayormccheese2k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally justified. Fuck that guy.
Pablinex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So this was in Cleveland.....in the words of Cleveland from family Guy. That's Nasty
hamlet9000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus. Is the knife okay?
EpikSwag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him 5 times with a pocket knife? Unacceptable. Even if she didn't have a larger knife to use, she could've at least stuck him another half-dozen times.
CarmenFandango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her defense team will want you on the jury. ... and me as far as that goes. I reckon the real challenge for the prosecution is finding enough people to impanel who won't want to give her a medal.
Imakedo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like a case that needs to go to trial by jury. I just hope she doesn't accept any sort of plea bargains.
SecondComingOfBast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have shot the bastard. Not while he was on top of the child, of course. I'm sure when he became aware of her presence he would have gotten off pretty quickly. Every woman should own a gun in America and be proficient in it's use, especially women with children.
TheMonsterUnderUrBed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good stab. She's innocent. Carry on
MarconisTheMeh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came to say "Good for that woman!" Left thinking "I'm sad and everyone is a piece of shit."
owangutang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok here we go, another crazy girlfriend story
FUUUUUUUUCK that guy
Darthbearclaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy is beyond vile and likely going to spend many, many years in prison. He's still lucky. He triggered a mother's protective instinct. People have died fpr doing that many times across history.
Disgusting piece of shit.
Crezek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She did the right thing, god bless her
Mail540 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the appropriate response
MtStarjump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely acceptable.
PlaystationExpress26 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But did she stab him 22 times, breaking the all-time consecutive stab streak??
gkiltz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's lucky all she did was stab him!
ClevelandCass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good! Does she need a ride from the jail? I'll pick her up and drop her off at home.
PutmeinKoch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She must have misplaced her wood chipper.
SuperEvilnine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her, I would of done worse to him. Probably torture the perv for days.
jparksup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a reasonable reaction.
TexasKobeBeef ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've killed his ass.
Phazoni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but is there a problem here?
Heroic_Sage25 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:59:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the lady could be full of shit and just stabbed him. More information is needed to form an opinion at this point.
LuffyKyleC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. At first I thought "Damn this woman sounds crazy". Then I read more and thought "Damn this guy is crazy. Glad somebody was there to stab the shit outta him." Amazing how quickly things change.
Pnk-Kitten ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reading the full story is so much worse. I hope this waste of humanity (the man) goes to jail and everyone knows about what he did. The mother is a hero. I hope she and her daughter get counseling.
Msfannymcfart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't condone stabbing...but that cunt deserved every single one and them some
Rajaholick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This mom is the real MVP.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems entirely fair. The stabbing that is.
kombatunit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some folks just need a stabbin.
peepl_wachr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like the appropriate response.
ShambolicPaul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. Not a jury in your country will Jail her.
Botryllus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a rollercoaster. When I started the title I had no idea the woman would be the hero of the story and stabee would be the villain.
WikiWantsYourPics ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's pretty gross.
theoldseymour ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to know how she was aiming. If she stabbed him 4 times in the chest was then like well fuck this I'm going for his head? Wrong head in my opinion.
g-j-a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lorena, is that you?
theoldseymour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do to Lorena?
g-j-a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sorry. I guess you don't know. Google Lorena Bobbitt.
Do not look for images....you have been warned.
theoldseymour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't help myself but I wish I listened. Friday seems like a good day to gouge my eyes out.
fusionater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am generally a proponent of the idea that no one deserves to die, everyone, no matter how bad, can be reformed.
People like this challenge my belief.
colonel_walter_kurtz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R/justiceserved?
goofball_jones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they arrested her, but the judge at the arraignment hearing should just throw it out as justified. I mean, what was she suppose to do, just use harsh language? Calmly call the police?
o0cynix0o ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
goofball_jones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:09:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this. The take-away here is that he's charged with rape and:
"The mother of the victim has not been charged with any crimes."
SplittingEnnui ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No jury on the world is going to convict this woman. (Well, maybe Texas . . .)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing is too good for what pedophiles deserve.
Gloworm02 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh isn't that a form of self defense?
prewarpotato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Morally right and justified.
gaedikus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this happened to a friend of mine and her daughter a couple years ago. he (her fiance) was so comfortable with his actions of sexually assaulting her ~12yo daughter without anyone knowing, that he did it while they had company over and he was "putting her to bed".
he tried to run away when the mother walked in on him and lost her shit (rightly so), but he got picked up by police and arrested. then he tried to kill himself in holding a couple times, because he knows what's going to happen to him in prison.
what a gigantic piece of shit. he deserves every bad thing coming his way.
wrenworkman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As fucked up as this is, and it is. Survivors of molestation live in a fucked up half state due to media.
http://www.tencentticker.com/somethingterrible/
As a survivor myself. That singular comic showed me i was not alone.
Atax1s ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't speak for all of us. Especially those that have the unique and beneficial mental and emotional ability to make peace with what happened and not limp on with the crutch of our victimization.
wrenworkman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was my point... that comic helped me learn more than being just a victim.
LayneTheDragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing amazing sweetie ๐๐๐ In all seriousness though fuck I can't imagine what that's like, hella respect to both mom and daughter for going through that, and mom for protecting her kid.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its hard to condemn her, given the circumstances.
YataBLS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit disappointed the guy is still alive.
uvaspina1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me like he fell on a knife repeatedly. Case closed.
fronn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming the story is as reported, this sounds like self defense to me. It's too bad she didn't hit some vital organs. This guy deserves no place in this world.
Isollumanifta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit like this is the only kind of crime I support justice being served before due process... This is fucking horrible
sweetiepiebobo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a piece of trash. I truly believe rapist like this should be castrated.
KyuuAA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a list of things to add:
"Things not to do while dating someone"
Doumtabarnack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't say I blame her.
HurtMachine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, good?
SHBazTBone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was not the penetration he was after.
Scumbag. I applaud her.
TexanMcDaniel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's something you do only after you've quicksaved.
billythefuckup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once had my mother go completely nuclear in my defense very unexpectedly. I suppose her mom radar sensed dire teenager trouble on the rise because i'll be buggered if i can figure out how she showed up so fast. She was so furious it made me feel that yeah, i am valid in feeling as bad as i did about things that were done to me. She was awesome that day.
zisforzyprexa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to sound gruesome or anything, but she should've just slit his throat and watched him bleed out
SpaciousNova ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have stabbed that piece of shit until he was minced meat. If I found someone doing this to my little sister, their brains would be splattered on the floor after the beating he'd get
loudsex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was word for an adult being naked on top of a 12 year old... oh I know! Raping. She stabbed him because he was raping her daughter.
rdx-spyrogyra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you not aware that the word rape offends people? so that's why it's not used anymore, we call it sexual misconduct or sexual assault now.
Me, I am all for public hangings and torture in certain instances but I'm told I am just a Jew warmonger with medieval opinions.
shoppedvendetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has nothing to do with offending people, it's not used because of the narrow perceptions people have of the word 'rape' (some states still insists that only penis violently going into unwilling vagina = rape). Sexual assault covers a variety of sexual acts so that there aren't pendants quibbling about whether someone shoving popsicle sticks into a man's asshole against his will is actually 'rape'.
BrettWP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An appropriate response in my opinion.
acf6b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people...people..... let this teach everyone a lesson, if you catch someone trying to or in the acting of raping or hurting someone in such a way, AIM FOR THE NECK
pascalsgirlfriend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's too bad she didn't use that knife on his jingle bob.
grilsrgood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say that's reasonable.
sweet-101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well done... she deserves to be awarded.
OMG__Ponies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lived?? Mom needs some lessons on how to properly use a knife to defend her family.
CaptainDouglas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a "pocket knife" according to the article, so I doubt it could do much damage even in the hands of an expert.
OMG__Ponies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, using a pocket knife makes a huge difference opposed to, say, a chefs knife.
rdx-spyrogyra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in the hands of an expert? You realize your carotid is not all that deep right? You can cut the carotid, ulnar, brachial, radial, and even femoral arteries with one of those very tiny Swiss army knives. Nick one good and it's night night with no wake up. -individual with a fair amount of time behind and in front of a blade and plenty of scars. Not an expert, that takes more than a lifetime. We are always students.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like she did just fine. Carrying a knife doesn't mean that you have to kill someone and she did well putting an end to the situation. There's no way to know what kind of knife she had either. It might not have been some tactical 4" blade folder and have just been a little utility knife.
HybridCue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this happened in New York the woman would be in jail and the rapist free.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:27 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New York has some pretty fucked up laws and their knife laws are draconian.
Ms_Enigma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was this lady and I had to go to jail anyway, I'd be glad to. I saved my kid, and that's what matters most.
iwatchsportsball ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think it could get worse then it just kept getting worse. Like your dad does the worst most horrific thing imaginable and you think it can't get worse then your rapey dad is stabbed to death on top of you by your mother. Whut the fuck
shiningyrael ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he's prob gonna be getting regular stabs in the pen, if you know what I'm saying.
What a fucking dirt bag
tamabits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing amazing sweetie
Freshman50000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland woman, you're doing amazing sweetie.
arianne216 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:55:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he chokes to death on a dick in prison.
dweezil12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She only stabbed him Six times? She should have stabbed the child rapist piece of shit at least Sixty times!
I'm liberal and tend to be almost extreme when it pertains to the judicial system,but I have Zero sympathy for people that harm children and the elderly. This worthless piece of shit was caught in the act. The mom should have beat him to a pull.
I can only hope that everyone he is in prison with knows he is a child rapist.
chefgirlrde ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I hope she killed him or at least severed his dick. Where can we donate to her legal fund
sommie789 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot believe some of you people. Police can usually tell when people are lying especially young people. The Mom walked into a parent's worst nightmare and she snapped. I have cousins around the victims age and I don't want people like that around them. I personally think that we need better laws on those sickos.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mom could also choose her boyfriends better. I don't mean that as an insult.
Re-AnImAt0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness, I don't believe she would be dating the man if he had disclosed that he was a rapist or a pedophile. That is important information to have when accepting to date a person that can and probably will change your decision to do so.
I hope you don't think that all rapists and/or pedophiles are drunk, dirty outlaw biker stereotypes. Doctors are pedophiles and rapists. Police officers are pedophiles and rapists. Attorneys and judges are pedophiles and rapists. You never know what sick shit is inside a person's head unless they let it be known. When they do it's usually too late.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can spot a pedo a mile away, but that could just be me. In the mom's case she was probably molested or raped at some point in her life, which would make her prone to finding other men like that. Whether she knew it or not. Also, most of the higher class folks that touch kids, oxymoron, they have drug/alcoholic problems or tendencies, which is a big reason they actually commit the crime, compared to just thinking about it. This story is left very vague, but I could bet if more information is presented in the future, this guy would be a giant red flag.
HarvestMoonRS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Piece of shit deserved it. That girl will need years of therapy, and will carry the weight of this for the rest of her life. Shit like this makes you realize how evil humans can be...
drnips ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was this headline a mini rollercoaster to anyone else?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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conuly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a difference - a big one - between acting in the moment to defend yourself or somebody else and cold-bloodedly killing somebody a long time after their crime.
Additionally, we know for a fact that there are many false convictions. If you see a guy raping your adolescent daughter, you know that he's the guy. But usually, there isn't that sort of evidence.
Finally, even if convictions are deserved, penalties are not given out evenly. Some groups of people get much lighter sentences than others. Our system isn't fair.
ranaparvus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am that person you describe. I am against the death penalty, because I feel that some sentenced to death for their crimes could be innocent, and in some states, have no avenue to introduce new evidence unearthed by new technology (DNA, for example) to exonerate themselves. There's also a huge amount of trust one must have in the justice system to accept such a final verdict, and sadly, our justice system simply doesn't meet the standard I feel necessary for such a sentence (evidenced by people being released after years of imprisonment but found innocent with new evidence - in states that allow that).
Secondly, for me it comes down to crimes against a sort of "priority of dependence" - my term. Kids and the otherwise infirm or disabled are dependents - they need our help to live, so an adult inflicting a crime against them is the worst. Adults who are murdered during drug deals/robberies in which they are participating are Independents - they're capable of making other choices and I have less sympathy for them - if you kill an accomplice in a crime should you be sentenced to death for it? I don't know.
Women who are abused for years but eventually fight back and kill their abuser are usually not allowed to enter evidence of abuse - the jury is only allowed to hear what happened when they murdered. I personally feel that extenuating circumstances should be heard in cases that warrant it (bullying, molestation, etc.).
So the fence I'm sitting on is this: I have no problem with a parent of a victimized child going after the child's abuser, even if it results in death, but I'm not sure I trust the justice system to explore all avenues of innocence before meeting out an irreversible sentence. I also feel that for people who are so terrible for society, if, after all avenues of exoneration are exhausted - including new evidence outside of the statute of limitations (in some states it's just months after conviction) - those people should be forced to repay society. This is where I get dark, just so you know. If rehabilitation/release is not in a prisoner's future and death is the only outcome of their incarceration, kill them in a way that allows their organs to be harvested for those needing them, or use them in non-painful, late stage medicinal trials instead of chimpanzees. Pedophiles should be subject to scans to see if there is a correlation, physically/biologically, among them, so we can avoid future victimization. But this would also necessitate so many changes in the law it's not feasible - for example, I could be convicted of owning child pornography because my family thought it was cute to take portraits of my sister and I nude (this was in the '60's-'70's) - even though it's me in the photographs - and no, I was never molested or victimized in any way by my family. In 2008, a seven year old was labeled a sexual harasser for hitting a girl's bum - an indictment of his character that will stay on his record, and if he makes another, innocent but bad choice later on, he's toast.
So, I guess my opinion is still evolving, but I'm unconvinced that our justice system is capable of making no mistakes when it comes to sentencing someone to death, unless serious changes are made so that exonerations are more accessible to those who deserve them.
tanis_ivy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a life purposely, lose your life. (donating any usable organs. Waste not, want not)
Wdf1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel the medical staff that performs executions in prison should be killed, for killing the guy on death row? How about the person who kills them? Point is, some people deserve to die, and there is nothing wrong with somebody being responsible for it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wdf1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's good. Do you think this mom is guilty of one? The rapist boyfriend is guilty, so by your logic, he deserves to be punished, and the mom did just that. I just think it's weird you threw shade at the mom for stabbing him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mom in the article didn't kill anybody. The rapist didn't die. My point is that even if she did kill him, she should not be found guilty of anything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:23:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a parent, and your first instinct isn't to destroy the person molesting your kids, you're a POS. Period. Glad this woman acted.
SlarSlar ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:49:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is applauding this woman, but ignoring the fact that she let this man around her daughter in the first place. Dude had a ton of convictions in the past, you're telling me she didn't see any red flags? This is why you don't shack up with trashy dudes in the first place.
throwoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was my first thought. My mother had the same issues with her mom.
Not_Insane_I_Promise ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:03:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should just castrate child molesters and be done with them. If you can't control your urges, we'll take them away for the sake of our children.
SurrealMemes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not having a penis doesn't stop them from molesting
pctech86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes away their sexual urges
Not_Insane_I_Promise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Castration means sterilizing, by either cutting off the scrotum and testicles, or chemical sterilization. It has nothing to do with the penis. As the other guy said, it represses the urge and they wouldn't "get off" by doing it.
SurrealMemes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, my bad
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 14:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 14:21:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shadofx ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:24:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you read :
Alleged rapists and molesters deserve the death penalty
Sepof ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:33:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the 90s there was a large surge of false accusations due to poor counseling and investigating by authorities. I know there was one town where it was a modern day Salem witch trial with like over half a dozen adults being accused of molestation/etc.
In the end, the kids were just saying what they thought the adults (counselors) wanted to hear.
I imagine that's the shit he's referring to.
PurpleTopp ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:27:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. "Convicted" rapists are put to death quite frequently, even though they are innocent. We can't have an "If" clause on top of this, so the death penalty needs to be abolished.
Same goes for murders. We have perfectly functional cells that they can rot in, giving those that actually end up being innocent at least a chance at getting back to their life
ShazbotSimulator2012 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:17:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they aren't. (Unless they also murdered their victim.)
Rape by itself isn't a capital offense.
Aggravated murder is pretty much the only way to get the death penalty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but there's also this thought where in cases where it's without-a-doubt guilty, I'd rather not spend tax money on keeping said person alive for 50 years.
PurpleTopp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's that "if" clause that I was talking about, and that isn't something that we can justify and quantify in a successful justice system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From an idealistic stand-point, sure, but there's data and ways to do it.
Dreamscyther ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:27:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh but false testimonies and the guy is now a convicted rapist up for death penalty - death penalty took place, next day in the news - I made it all up. Can't really reverse a death penalty once it has taken place.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Innocent people were executed all the time when execution was commonplace.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:25:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hat-of-sky ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:35:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's what you read into it, because the literal meaning of "rapists and molesters" is "people who have raped and molested," not "people who have been accused of raping and/or molesting." And your reply doesn't say anything about lesser punishment being fit for those crimes, just the oft-repeated "false accusations" line. When more rapists and molesters escape unpunished because the victims don't report it than the opposite.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:26:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're commenting all over this thread and you finally contradicted yourself. You keep saying that you would have to wait for facts to come out before convicting the man, but then you say you'd do the same if you where in the mother's position. Quit defending pedo's, guy. Just stop
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That does not contradict himself. I'm sure you think the same way he does its just your misunderstanding him.
1: He believes nobody should be convicted without evidence. This is something most people will agree on
2: If he had someone raping his daughter, he would attack them. This is a fair enough position to take, because they're raping his daughter and there is an obligation to stop the rape. I believe you would do the same thing in that position as well.
You two don't disagree with each other it's just a misunderstanding.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"well technically he isn't a pedophile, just a child molester" - you. Keep protecting these types. I'm sure you can get his prison ID and write to him. What you guys will talk about, I wouldn't want to know....
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's some gold medal mental gymnastics, kid. I'm enabling pedophiles because I want them locked away? Go ahead and talk to those sick fucks. You can say what you want, but to defend them like you are is really disgusting. You're all over this thread getting upset at people for not agreeing with you. What a strange thing to be so passionate about
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thread is about a guy fucking a woman's daughter. You keep making it about something else. Calling me a moron for not feeling sympathy for people who desire to have sex with kids is not surprising. There's plenty like you, and you're free to defend and argue on their behalf. Sex with children, that's what you advocate for. I have nothing more to say
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonzo_goo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:30:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're dense. Child molesters, pedo's, chomo's, are all one of the same. You chose to make this the topic you are passionate about. Stop defending them.
eek04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the stats that claim that have a very substantial flaw: They assume that rapists only rape once. Most rapists are serial rapists, and that changes the conclusion.
rabidWeevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone doesn't remember the late 80s to early 90s when several daycare owners and workers were successfully convicted on nothing other than fabricated testimony which resulted from parents, investigators, and mental health 'professionals' flawed, suggestive questioning of the children involved; the so called 'satanic abuse hysteria.'
Legally guilty and not guilty are not equivalent to factually guilty and innocent. The legal system is imperfect; there are times when innocents are convicted and the guilty walk. I don't have much of a comfort level for condemning someone based upon a proven imperfect system. When the State executes an innocent person, that figuratively means that every citizen of that State is complicit and guilty of that person's murder, especially when the sentence is recommended by the representative peerage of a jury.
shadofx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you read :
Legally guilty rapists and molesters deserve the death penalty
emdave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you read:
"Only people who are beyond all doubt, objectively guilty of rape or child molestation deserve the death penalty"
What OP actually said:
(All) rapists and child molesters deserve the death penalty.
What reply to OP (essentially) pointed out:
Not everyone accused of something, or even convicted of something, actually did it, and since the death penalty is irreversible, there is a moral risk in using it, in that you could accidentally apply it to an objectively innocent person, and thus it is not safe to use it in essentially all practical circumstances. That is even before you consider the ethical and moral questions of whether it is even justifiable to kill someone else in cold blood.
skoolboyjew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pax didn't say alleged rapists deserve the death penalty.
AKA_Sotof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter what he said, it's what would happen.
skoolboyjew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How? How do you go from "convicted rapists get death" to "accused rapists get death?"
AKA_Sotof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because sometimes convicted people aren't actually guilty.
skoolboyjew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I see what you're saying now. You're opposed to the death penalty in general. Not just in this case
ShibuRigged ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is in witch hunt mode. Trial by media headlines and anyone is guilty by association and not seeing this as a black and white issue.
I'm curious as to how many death threats or wishes of the same crime happening upon your family have happened, as often does with people that take your stance. Stay safe.
badmother ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It costs the state well over $50K per year to incarcerate someone.
How much would a good therapist cost? Preferably, society would accept people who admitted they had this mental illness, but no, society is a lynch mob with no comprehension or willingness to understand the depth of the problem.
NemWan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would mean reversing a 2008 Supreme Court ruling.
RabidRapidRabbit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A historical point of not threatening the crime of rape with more extreme sentences is the intention of deterring escalation.
If there is small difference in punishment between rape and murder there is no reason to not hide the result of your doings.
This way the victim at least lives.
Kidneyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK. We'll burn murderers alive and only shoot the rapists. Problem solved.
Un4tunately ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figure we ought to just kill everyone -- just in case. #NotAnotherVictim
Atheist101 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:43:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it shouldn't. You should go read How To Kill A Mockingbird
chirpingphoenix ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:57:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just "To Kill A Mockingbird", and...the whole point of that book is that one mustn't kill a mockingbird.
Atheist101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point was that its super easy to go from "alleged" to "convicted" which means that convicted should be killed, in the world run by the guy's that I replied to. In the book, the rape allegation was fully false but Tom was still convicted of rape because of racial biases. Thats just one, albeit fictional, example of how you cant just jump straight to "KILL ALL RAPISTS!" because there are times when people do get convicted when they are actually innocent.
dj184 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats "alleged rapists" not convicated .
Atheist101 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, Tom was convicted of rape in the book. Im not sure if you are trolling or you legitimately misread the book.
dj184 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i certainly was thinking about a diferent movie then. I certianly wanst trolling.
i remember watching a movie where a black guy is being prosecuted as a rapist because a white girl said so or forced to say so. Dont remember the story and must have gotten confused with "12 Angry men" Must have got confused, sorry.
clancularii ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 14:32:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder. People with psychiatric disorders deserve treatment to overcome or at least mitigate their condition. Maybe if we established a culture where pedophiles felt more comfortable coming forward for treatment, we could proactively reduce the incidence of child molestation.
Or you know, we could stick to stigmatizing mental health issues and our completely reactionary response to pedophilia.
I'm not vindication this man or any child molester by portraying them as victims. I'm saying that maybe we can find a way to help pedophiles before they become child molesters and create victims.
cinnapear ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:46:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you, but it's two completely separate things to have urges and to act on them. I don't jump on every man or woman I find attractive. I don't shove every donut I see into my mouth. I don't grab a stack of twenties from the bank teller.
OmicronNine ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:55:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder.
Child rape is a crime.
PlanetVagina ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:04:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, not every child molester is even a pedophile. Some just prey on kids because they're easy targets, not because they're particularly attracted to them.
clancularii ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:56:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Which is why I differentiated between pedophiles and child molesters. I think we should treat the source of the problem, rather than the ensuing symptoms.
If somebody is shoving donuts in their mouth perhaps it is because he or she is starving. Should we judge him or her for rudeness when they are suffering from something we could prevent?
If somebody is stealing money, perhaps it is because they are poor and desperate. Perhaps their situation is not entirely their fault and society has failed this person for allowing them to reach such a point.
In both of these hypothetical cases, the person was surely in the wrong. But it was something we as a society could have prevented if we bothered to help and understand one another.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:06:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations, you're lucky enough to have a brain with good impulse control. Would you like a medal?
Mantisman1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so i understand the point you're making and agree 100% that the kind of help you describe should be available and less stigmatised However, we're not talking about punishing him for being that way, we're talking about punishing him for acting on it. Hang him for all i care.
clancularii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was not in any way advocating for heinous acts to go without consequences. I'm only pointing out that we could keep children safer by differentiating between pedophiles and child molesters, and helping pedophiles before they ever become child molesters.
Whenever an article like this is posted, it seems there's always some breakdown in that very important difference. I was hoping to prevent that.
badmother ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI, in the UK, there is a completely anonymous service called Stop it Now. if you are in the UK and feel attraction towards pre-legal people, please do visit their website or call them on 0808 1000 900. They will not judge. They will help you.
Harbingerx81 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:01:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between being a pedophile (having that psychiatric disorder, causing certain desires) and actually going through with raping/molesting a child. Just like there is a difference between being a homo/heterosexual and raping/molesting someone of whichever sex you prefer.
I agree, Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder and a complicated issue to deal with, but once you cross the line and commit violent and sexual criminal acts, you are a rapist and molester not just someone with a mental condition.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is impulse control, and it's also a psychiatric *issue.
im-still_trying ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't say pedophiles. He said rapists. Vastly different. Plenty of people do think people should be shamed or punished purely for their attraction to young kids, which is ignorant. They should be able to reach out and get help without being scared. But once they get to the point where they act on it, fuck them, lock them up and give them life. The fact that it's a disorder is about as good an argument as saying it's ok to rape someone just because they can't get laid. Your text is correct but you're being downvoted because it seems you are playing devil's advocate.
clancularii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I'm getting that. Based on how my subsequent responses were received, it seems most people do agree with me that pedophiles aren't necessarily child molesters and that prevention would be a better course of action. Evidently, my first post did not clearly reflect those opinions.
twist2piper ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:50:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hasn't it been scientifically proven that pedophilia cannot be "fixed" with treatment? They can learn how to suppress urges, but they can't eliminate the attraction tendencies, if I remember correctly.
clancularii ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:17:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also finds studies that show that capital punishment or harsher prison statements do not reduce or deter violent crime.
But if we bothered to show some compassion for people with psychiatric conditions and even tried to help them, we could prevent some children from getting hurt.
Currently our response to pedophilia is reactive. We wait for children to get hurt then punish the offenders. I'm not a mental health professional, but even I know that there must be some proactive solution to this problem (you know, besides immediately assuming that all male grade school teachers are themselves pedophiles). The easiest I can think of is not to vilify pedophiles who have never acted on their urges and instead encourage them to come forward for whatever help we can offer.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:06:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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humicroav ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:56:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mucking down here in the mud with the controversial posts. There's definitely a pitchfork mentality in our culture on this topic.
Jeppe1208 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:46:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand how psychology works. It's a constantly changing and evolving field; new treatments are developed and old ones become obsolete every day. We used to call homosexuality a mental disorder, but things change. Maybe studies have shown that so far pedophiles have not been "cured" - but no empirical study could ever rule out the possibility for the future - that's what crystal balls are for.
quentin500000000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may not be able to be "fixed" but helped to ensure that these individuals don't act upon it. In my mind it would be similar to AIDS, just because we can't cure it doesn't mean we can't treat it, but if AIDS patients are too afraid to come forward and admit to having their disease without being crucified they won't get treated and may die.
badmother ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think castration works. I did see a documentary about paedos once upon a time, and they were saying it is only a matter of time before they reoffend, and that castration was probably the only answer.
However, there is other help available...
slider2k ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:29:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, just like homophilia (now called homosexuality)?
matejohnson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:28:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you want pedophilia to be normalized? You should probably be killed with the rest of them if that's the case.
slider2k ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:01:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly pederasty was punishable by death some time back in history. How times has changed, eh?
matejohnson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:09:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are comparing the rape of a child with consensual sex between two adults.
You are fucked in the head.
slider2k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both are disorders. But one disorder is loudly normalized and propagandized.
matejohnson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:44:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol if you cannot see the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality you are fucking retarded. And probably a pedophile.
PM_ME_FUTA_PEACH ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:19:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you should've started your comment with the bottom lines, would've made you come off less as an apologist for offending pedophiles, although I definitely agree with what you say.
clancularii ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:26:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea you're probably right. Half of the responses I've gotten have been people just rewording my comment.
Seanachaidh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:50:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one you're replying to is specifically referring to molesters and rapists, the pieces of shit that we don't want pedophiles becoming, not pedophiles.
vegandawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just eliminate them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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zangent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:39:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the entire point. Pedophile does not equal child molester.
If we create a culture where child molester is still looked down upon (because it's fucking sick), but seeking mental health is not stigmatized, then perhaps we could see more pedophiles getting help to overcome their problems, leading to fewer child molesters.
Pedophiles will always exist, and you can't hunt down every single person who may end up molesting a child. It's not realistic. Instead, we have to accept that some people have these terrible urges, and try to figure out how to help them to keep from acting on those urges.
Astaauand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't say that pedophiles deserve the death penalty .....
clancularii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I didn't say child molesters and rapists don't.
Just wanted to remind everyone that there's a big difference between child molesters and pedophiles before anybody starts lumping the two groups together. I've seen it happen before when stuff like this gets posted, so I figured I might prevent it before it started.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is an abnormality. Pedos are just a liability. There is no reason to even bother "curing" them anymore than there is a reason to bother curing psychopaths. Just euthanize them and be done with it.
[deleted] ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just subsidize a personal shrink for every man, woman, and child and we could eradicate any bad feelings or sadness in America. Because it seems everything is blamed on some bullshit mental illness or another
clancularii ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:11:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's stupid. How about instead we just encourage pedophiles who have never acted on their urges to come forward for help instead of treating them like monsters?
Or you know we could go with the current litmus test of finding out who is a pedophile by waiting for children to get raped. Cause that's a good way to keep children safe.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya know, I can't argue with you.
clancularii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When stories like this get posted, I always wonder if there was a way it could've been prevented. The cries for hanging child molesters always seems to be louder than any voices looking for a proactive solution. The overwhelming majority of people seem to agree that it's wrong, but show little interest in even considering alternatives. Which is terrible, because those who are most vulnerable cannot solve this on their own.
If I've convinced you that our current approach is no good, maybe we're on our way to finding that solution.
admdrew ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That much is very clear.
clancularii ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:22:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, he admitted he might've been wrong on the issue and was coming around to my opinion. Don't mock him for showing some humility.
admdrew ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't really take it as coming around, given his tone elsewhere in the thread.
PM_ME_FUTA_PEACH ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:21:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, so if we don't treat non-offending pedophiles and get them to stray away from a path where they end up molesting children, what do you propose? Line them all up and shoot them even though they have done literally no wrong? Sounds kind of like you would love dictatorship.
theborbes ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're not white
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:23:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shut up
theborbes ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truth stings apparently!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theborbes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you're a poor reader, apparently. How was I being racist?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theborbes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL pointing out racism is racism, somehow.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theborbes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to explain your reasoning?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:45:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theborbes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pointing out that white violent criminals are usually described as mentally ill (therefore deserving rehabilitation) while non-white violent criminals are not given the same benefit of the doubt (therefore just punished) is a racial stereotype? Huh.
To me that seems more like being anti-racist. Maybe I'm wrong - I'm open to discussion. But it seems to me like you've simply misunderstood - fair enough, I was pretty sarcastic with my point. But if you're not willing to explain your accusation then I suggest not making it in the first place
WorkingClassAmerican ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey guys I found the pedo apologist!
MaulerX ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:08:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you can see an argument from a different point of view doesn't mean you are an apologist.
WorkingClassAmerican ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:13:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Being a pedophile is part of who a person is, much like being gay, it just is. Either you control yourself as a pedophile or you deserve to die at the time of being caught in the act. It's pretty simple. There is no changing them just like there's no making gay people straight.
MaulerX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing about where the pedo is nice or not. I'm arguing that the mother shouldn't have tried to murder the guy. We have laws, we advocate for due process.
WorkingClassAmerican ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're insane. In the world of your comment the police aren't allowed to shoot someone to death that's in the act of killing someone else.
If someone is raping your kid you should entice them to stop with cookies then?
MaulerX ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference in attempted murder, and defence.
WorkingClassAmerican ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the very short article? It's legal to kill for less.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You call the police, dumbfuck.
WorkingClassAmerican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes sit there and watch while you wait for them to show up. Smart. Not fucked up at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to watch.
EpicDerp37272 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That still doesn't make what he did okay. It is a disorder, but it's the person's responsibility to control themselves or get help.
clancularii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, that's why I said I'm not trying to vindicate child molesters. I'm reminding people not to vilify pedophiles who are not child molesters. Because we should be trying to help pedophiles before they harm children.
Florianopolix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life in prison is cheaper
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:47:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you support the expansion of capital punishment?
I could get on board. Hell yeah
eek04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in favor of the death penalty, as long as we (A) actually make sure that we don't execute the wrong person, and (B) we can be absolutely sure there is no brutalization effect (where the execution of people lead to more crime from other people).
I unfortunately don't know of any system that can ensure (A), and the jury is still out on (B). About false convictions: From a quick look at the evidence, the rate of false convictions actually seems to be substantially higher in death penalty cases than other cases - my hypothesis is that it's due to people really, really wanting to convict somebody when the crime is terrible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A perfect example of false convictions, especially in death penalty cases like you mentioned, is the West Memphis Three. The tl;dr of it is that three teenagers with an interest in the occult were arrested based on false confessions elicited through coercive interrogation tactics. They were sentenced to death but thankfully proven not guilty before being executed.
kerby74 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:02:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the kind of thing she should get off with a warning for. Just saying.
Cayvmann ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laying naked on my 12 year old daughter. That's a stabbing.
GreenEggsAndSaman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You better believe that's a stabbin'.
JaySavvy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... Why TF is this the #1 post on r/all?
I mean...
North Korea is firing missiles over Japan.
Trump is trying to "shut down the internet."
London was just hit with a terrorist attack.
Equifax (and TransUnion) are still hot garbage.
But the Top Post on all of Reddit is a woman handling a vile situation exactly as you'd expect her to?
I mean, really... what makes this so special? It's not even that sensational, considering the times we live in.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:37:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JaySavvy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That... actually explains it. Thank you.
Bloocrusader ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea is just more of the same at this point
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:49:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my honest opinion, I don't understand why some people here say things like 'he should have died', 'she should have stabbed him to death', 'she should have gone for the neck'...
In a situation where you must use anything including knives to defend yourself and your family from danger it's perfectly understandable to justify your acts, for example, if the murderer/abuser dies.
But desiring someone's death is not good. Yes, I've said it. Even if they are murderers or rapists or whatever you want to call them. They are still people. They still walk, talk, see, hear, eat and breathe just like you.
What makes us different from them if we desire their death? Nothing, we are exactly like them if we do that.
Revenge is never good. As a christian I don't recommend anyone to revenge. We should not let ourselves be overcome by bloodlust.
Romans 12:19-21 says
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:58:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CreamyCrayon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
E u p h o r i c
tips fedora
The_Powers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean that there aren't valuable moral lessons at the heart of Christianity, just as there are with all religions.
Just so happens the same religions still have a load of old pre-medieval racist, sexist, homophobic and other morally backwards precepts to iron out.
One of my favourite things that religious people do is the mental gymnastics of equivocating the literal "Word of God" with the "hey you know, you're not supposed to interpret that part literally!" stuff.
I'm a humanist (believe in people, not religions) but that doesn't mean I don't agree with a lot of the moral lessons that religion has to teach. Similarly, I'm totally with the Christian guy on this. No matter the context, it is still morally wrong to wish violent death upon someone.
WestsideStorybro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion teaches cognitive dissonance which has arguably caused more damage to society then it has helped improve. A fear of an unknowable god lead to stagnation of society that we still witness to this date in many parts of the world.
Ghaarial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Do as I say, not as I do."
bamboni0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the neckbeard atheist.
marc43610 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:35:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've used a 6ft claymore
Dephire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like you
Whoden ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell do the cops have to get involved in this? It sounds like justice was already served.
SmileyAndSad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cause he's still alive and should rot in jail now
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was "good".. Then I thought about how painful that must have been.
Really hope the woman and daughter can make it through this.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:41:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is everyone assuming he's guilty?
We don't know what happened. All we have are their claims of what happened.
There hasn't been a trial, and the sexual assault examination hasn't even been concluded.
Edit: Here's a good story for all you asshats downvoting me to read.
I remember this hitting the frontpage years ago. The comments were was full of smug assholes saying they're better than those neighbors.
TheManWhoWasNotShort ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know for sure, but the girl is being treated for sexual assault, and both her and her mother claim he assaulted her. His best defense was that the daughter had a crush on him.
There's also the matter of her calling 911, not him, and him trying to break down the door of her home during the incident, which appears to be presented as a fact not in dispute.
Svataben ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:51:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why aren't you questioning whether the mother even stabbed him?
Are only rapists innocent until proven guilty?
Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab wounds are evident, rape is not until examinations are done. But I agree with the other guy, why would you like about something like this. It's so easy to prove that no coitus took place, and in this scenario proving consent is not needed either (because a 12 year old can't consent), so the woman is probably right and justified
Svataben ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:15:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The kid could have stabbed him, a third party could have stabbed him. How do you even know aliens didn't?
And why must there be physical evidence of rape for him to have done enough for the mother to defend her child? How is it easy to prove no coitus took place. Explain to me the ease.
ThingTThing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:08:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean she says she stabbed him, physical evidence proves he was stabbed, kinda beyond reasonable doubt here.
Svataben ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:09:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not who did the stabbing. Try to keep up.
ThingTThing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She says she stabbed him and there's no evidence of anyone else at the scene besides the 12 year old which probably isn't physically capable of doing it.
Svataben ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And both the girl and the mother says he raped the daughter.
Either we're taking people's words for things, or we're not.
chut_has_no_religion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok if we are still taking the words i say you raped me.
Svataben ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:21:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just admitted it's a lie, so I'll take your word for that. Now kindly take this seriously or eff off.
ThingTThing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are talking people words for things if they say they did it. IE. If the man says he raped the daughter I'd take his word for it until then I'd like to let forensics do their job and keep everyone in custody until then.
Svataben ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:26:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she said she was protecting her daughter by getting a rapist off her and out of the house with stabbing.
We have her word for that context, not just part of it. So again, either take people's words for things, or don't.
ThingTThing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:34:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take people's word for things only when there is no conceivable incentive for them to lie and it's consistent with the physical evidence.
Svataben ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:37:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you'll be... what?
Surely taking both mum and daughter's word for it, surely. The stabbing and his nakedness certainly supports their story, so...
ThingTThing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be assuming she stabbed him and waiting on forensics to determine if he was assaulting the daughter or not unless he claims he assaulted the daughter.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you'll be assuming she did it for no reason? Because fuck logic.
ThingTThing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:55:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because she admitted she committed what normally would be a crime and it's consistent with physical evidence with no other reasonable suspects for stabbing him and because we know he was stabbed.
Svataben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For no reason?
she just stabbed him for no reason?
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason could be she was mad at him and not because he was raping her daughter, again we will know when forensics comes back on the kids clothes.
Svataben ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him several times, while he was naked, because she was mad at him? For what exactly? What is it that you think is more likely than that he was naked on top of her child, as the child also says?
Several stabs over not doing the dishes? Leaving dirty socks out of the hamper?
How far are you willing to go to protect this rapist?
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did I say it was more likely? I said the evidence will either confirm her story or it wont' and then we'll know.
Svataben ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you prefer to not believe the rape happened until then.
And what if evidence can't confirm it? Is he then innocent in your head?
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe jack shit without convincing evidence of some type or another and yeah if there's no evidence of him assaulting the girl after they looked very hard in all the places it would be if there was an assault I'm going to assume he didn't assault her.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you do.
Either you think she stabbed him for raping her child, or you think she stabbed him for being mad about... what?
So even though less than two percent of rape claims are lies, even though he was naked at the time of the stabbing, and even though both mother and child says the same thing, you will take his word over theirs. Because fuck logic!
You are being highly, highly irrational and emotional, and I wonder why?
ThingTThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't know, would need to investigate but there's no point unless he didn't assault the girl.
Bullshit, less than 2% of rape reports have the accuser convicted of filing a false report and considering the DA doesn't even go after people who they know are lying that number is absolutely meaningless. You are literally claiming rapes happened in cases where there's no evidence that a rape happened.
He was her boyfriend, being naked in her place isn't all that unusual.
I'm not taking anyone's word, what part of evidence don't you understand?
Projection.
Svataben ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck...
Go to the RAINN site and educate yourself.
Being naked at her place while alone with her child is not fucking normal.
Not projection. Fact. You are, factually, being illogical.
I want to know why you're so desperately trying to be on this rapists side?
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck off, if you have actual evidence I'm wrong show it, but we both know you don't.
If he was alone with her kid she couldn't of stabbed him...
Saying something is a fact doesn't make it one.
False assumption, I'm on the side of evidence, evidence is pending as such so is my judgement.
Svataben ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The evidence is clear on the RAINN site, just a Google away. How about you back your claim too?
You are evidently not on the side of evidence.
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Newsflash idiot I'm familiar with RAINN and been down this rabbit hole before the only legitimate source for the 2% statistic is the amount of convictions for filing a false police report about a rape.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly not familiar with the facts then. You clearly aren't aware that several studies in several countries the world over has come to similar results.
Clearly you know fuck-all, or are wilfully ignoring facts.
I see you elsewhere defending a teen who is sexually harassing people.
Why are you so keen to protect sex offenders? What's your motivation?
ThingTThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cite the studies.
Then back up your claims.
You mean the guy convicted of underage pornography for taking a pic of his own dick?
Why are you so keen to take away innocent until proven guilty?
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back your claims. I already directed you to RAINN. Now you back yours.
Why are you so keen on protecting rapists? Answer. Don't just make up a ridiculous counter-qyluestion.
ThingTThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm disproving your claim moron, I need to know what specifically you are citing in order to disprove it. I told you the source of the 2% which you are citing which you obviously didn't bother to check the source of your source.
Because we don't know they are rapists, because as of yet there is no evidence they are rapists, so I am not defending rapists I am defending people accused of rape.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've disproven nothing. You just said some stuff. Back it.
But we do know, because according to you it's ok to assume when the circumstances supports it. And they do here, even if you don't like it.
So answer: Why are you so keen to protect the rapist?
ThingTThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't given me anything to disprove, give me a specific citation.
You're the one assuming I'm the one saying wait for evidence.
Again because you have no evidence they are rapists. You claim they are rapists but you have no proof. I am defending people accused of being rapists not rapists. Learn to read.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying you believe they aren't, despite clear signs they are. You're being emotional in stead of factual. Why?
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What clear signs? Someone accusing someone doesn't mean shit.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't even read the article, you really need to stfu!
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the article, the clear signs are pending forensic investigation of the kids clothes.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a clear sign isn't that he got stabbed while naked by a woman who's only motivation is exactly what the child also says happened?
Dude, your grasp on reality isn't.
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not because people can lie.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, like you've been doing.
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still waiting for citations of those many studies you talked about earlier.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still waiting for a source to just one single of your claims so far. Like what the RAINN data is based on.
You made a lot of strange claims, including pretending that two articles said something they didn't. So... start backing your claims and stop lying maybe?
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the thing you didn't even bother to cite?
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like you did?
ThingTThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope I was referring to the thing you were referring to there was nothing to cite.
rayzorium ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only the world worked that nicely. What do you think they're going to find? Even if what she's saying is 100% true, she might have stopped him before anything actually happened.
In a legal system that works correctly, most rapists should walk free. It's just the way things should be.
And yet, it's not how things are, and I'm betting this guy is going to be put away regardless of whether or not he actually did it unless they recant.
ThingTThing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:41:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pubic hairs, fingerprints, jizz stain, maybe his drool if something happened they'll find something.
That actually depends on the victims, if the victims say no and do nothing else to resist there isn't going to be evidence to find, but if every victim fights back with everything they have they'll be tons of physical evidence to put the rapist away, unless the rapist is a female then the male victim will get put in jail for battery... anyways my point is your statement isn't true, it's true in the context most rapes this day and age are in the I said no once vein (unless of course of a huge swath of women are lying about rape, which is technically possible) but if victims physically resisted your statement would not be true.
If there no evidence to confirm his story I don't know, false accusations have lead to people in jail a lot though and that's without a underage girl saying he was doing stuff to her.
rayzorium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's likely. But I said:
Also, my other statement is true because I didn't say all, I said most, and most victims don't physically resist.
ThingTThing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough happened for her to stab him repeatedly according to her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand what you're saying.
All I'm saying is we don't know what actually happened.
This is what trials are for.
Svataben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you having trouble with exactly?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Svataben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it really doesn't.
Because in this case it's so clear that circumstance supports his guilt, yet this dude prefers to consider two other people deranged liars. That's the point that keeps getting ignored.
And none of us here are a court of law. We're not condemning anyone.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:10:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not at the very least wait until the sexual assault investigation is complete?
This story reached the top of Reddit, so it's going to be everywhere. People will literally drive to his house and kill him.
All I'm saying is give him a chance in court before that happens.
Which is what due process is even for...
Svataben ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait with what?
I'm not taking his chance in court away by believing his victim.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Svataben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not seeing the same thread I am.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because she admitted to it, he confirmed it and he has stab wounds. It's already been confirmed.
There is currently no known evidence he raped her other than the claim of someone who stabs people.
bjb406 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:44:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do certain people assume all rapists are innocent? She was 12. There is no such thing as consensual between an adult and a 12 year old.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The law assumes innocent until proven guilty in court.
That's literally all I'm saying.
And I'm saying this because people will literally drag the him out his house and kill him.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't even know if he raped her.
BECAUSE THE SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAMINATION HASN'T EVEN BEEN CONCLUDED.
They could be lying because the mom's crazy for all we know.
We have no idea.
Svataben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, if he hadn't gotten his dick in yet, but had still been groping her, and was on top of her intending to stick his dick in, I guess you think he's all innocent...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TWD_Sucks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:02:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know how easy it would be to get proof. If the mother is that stupid to lie about this I don't see the point.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:50:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:08:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what trials and the justice system is for.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we shouldn't talk about any trials until they are concluded?
Matt_Badman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats not what he was saying, we shouldnt assume guilt before a trial is concluded
SeahawkTJ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:14:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't we just have a story about a woman that has accused like 15 guy of rape before a judge finally convicted her? It does happen.
This is one of those cases where the cops need to be allowed to finish the investigation before everyone jump to conclusions. It is he said she said right now.
Svataben ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's a 'two people said, he said' + a hugely violent situation right now.
SeahawkTJ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:07:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still, the sex assault test portion needs to be completed before we jump to conclusions.
Svataben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're ok with jumping to conclusions about who did the stabbing.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that part was admitted by the woman.
Svataben ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:15:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ... I've been over this with another user already. Don't you think a mother would protect her child?
The point remains: We don't know any better about the stabbing than about the rape, but people like you are only questioning the rape.
SeahawkTJ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course she would.
She admitted the stabbing. Did you not read the story?
Svataben ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just fucking covered that part. Are you slow?
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to ask you the same thing?
She admitted stabbing. He did not admit raping. The cops have not yet charged anyone. Which says this is not a cut and dry case of child rape.
I don't know how to make it any more simple so you can understand.
Svataben ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that's a 'yes'...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think him being naked on top of her might be enough
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mom and daughter said he was naked on top of her
It is possible, there are some sick people out there. But 2 things stick out.
1 the cops did not arrest him, why not?
2 why would you stab at the head (he was stabbed 1x in the back of the head, and 5 x in the chest) of someone who is on top of you kid, possibly missing and stabbing your kid. Why not just pull him off then do the stabbing?
FuckedLikeSluts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:36:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't say they didn't arrest him.
Why wouldn't a woman, weaker than a man pull him off her daughter before stabbing him? Well I wonder. Also it's pretty fucking hard to miss with a knife. Her daughter pretty safe in that regard.
Anyway, he's since been charged http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html so the examination checked out.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe
The asshole is not going to just lay there and let her stab him, and the daughter ended up with lacerations to her hands.
Look like it. With that update, I hope he falls up a lot of stairs while locked up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware, we'll see, but that would be a reason.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, for sure. Hell if I found someone raping my kid, they would have needed a coroner not a cop.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not for me. He'd just disappear.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got a hog farm close by?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vats of HF
Ghaarial ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not a judge, jury, or relevant legal professional. So no, "we" are not under any such obligation.
ThingTThing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because nobody can coach their kids to lie. Physical evidence will confirm their story or it won't and then we'll know.
Svataben ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:08:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said that. Why are you arguing a claim I never made?
Why are you interrupting two people talking to interject nonsense?
ThingTThing ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:11:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop being disingenuous, the multiple witness thing only works when they are unrelated.
Svataben ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No? Wtf?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you except for where you said "this is one of those cases".
All cases should be equally investigated.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point. And they have now charged him.
downvoats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens incredibly often.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 19:40:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to take things to the point of absurdity to make a point. Twelve year old aren't retards. They are old enough to consent to something as basic as sex. The point is that just because something is consensual, doesn't make it right. This is where you go wrong. Since you assume that: consent = no wrong, you put yourself into a corner where in order to explain that adults fucking barely pubescent twelve year olds is wrong, you have to instead find another ridiculous argument, such as "twelve year olds cannot consent to sex with adults". You are reducing the intellect and the agency of a twelve year old to a ludicrous degree. Even if this was consensual, it was still wrong, because adults should not be fucking twelve year olds. Consensual incest is wrong for example, doens't matter if it is consensual. Consent doesn't make things right. And twelve year olds aren't retarded.
ProbablyABotBoop ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:30:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, you are sane. Sorry you got all these crazies replying to you who don't understand that not all allegations are true but at the same time we need to investigate them and take them seriously. Never understood why innocent till proven guilty was such a difficult concept for some people.
tydestra ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:45:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JFC, I know Reddit is chock full of pedo defenders and people paranoid about false rape claims, but the mom found him on top of the girl. The girl is 12, fucking 12. He's guilty as all hell.
GhostBond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying maybe put down the torches and let the police investigate. Woman goes crazy and stabs someone, what story would get her out of it I wonder?
The_Powers ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:10:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? Mother and daughter give the same account, he says the mother attacked him after he said he thought the daughter might have feelings for him.
That is textbook manipulative paedo-ing right there.
Thanks to my old job, I have too much first hand knowledge of what paedophiles are actually like as people and they are nearly all compulsively lying deluded little snakes.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:14:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:11:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was
tehnod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the guy in your link gets to come back and kill the neighborhood children in their dreams as revenge now.
CrystalJizzDispenser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the 12 y/o accused him of undressing her, and he was found naked on top of her. It's looking fairly damning.
badmother ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pity I can't give you multiple upvotes, but then again, you are near the top when sorting by controversial, as I do in threads like this...
sin94 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn it did you even read the article? here one section that should get the internet mad and assume guilty
***In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
i know it is assumption of guilt but what voice does a 12 year old have against an adult?
More important again if you read the article on the 2nd para Neither the woman nor man has been charged in connection with the incident
GhostBond ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that applies either way. "Honey, you tell the police what I tell you to say, or mommy is going to jail for stabbing someone again and no one will take care of you, you understand?"
SanJustSan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this comment chain:
The reddit mob take on "innocent until proven guilty".
Who'll win the battle of the upvotes? Tune in at 10pm to find out.
ShibuRigged ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mob rules, every time.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't catch him naked on top of a child
GhostBond ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:07:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should have posted the title:
Innocent man burned to death by vigilante neighbours who mistook him for paedophile
Anyone remember this crazy woman who came at some guy asking for a refund on his haircut?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSFBtuwSs4
Annepackrat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay, Cleveland as always presenting the best of our people to the world.
Cybugger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not for vigilante justice.
I'm also not going to give much of a fuck about this guy, though.
captaintmrrw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have trouble convicting her if I was on the jury. I know vigilantism is wrong but it just seems like a normal reaction.
Johnny_Fuckface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:39:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine how terrible that is. I mean, living in Cleveland...
ChessClubChamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strange how someone who appears so smart could say something so stupid. The world ceases to amaze me.
Johnny_Fuckface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:57:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you cannot be amazed anymore. Have you watched the new David Blaine special? That shit is totally amazing.
ChessClubChamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure - would I be able to borrow your fedora? That might be what I'm missing.
Johnny_Fuckface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:53:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hehehe, ok man. I'll get a fedora if you braid your neck beard. Are we done now? Or do you want to continue this smug jack off session because you have something to prove to someone you don't know online to make yourself feel better about your shit?
ChessClubChamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That deflection was heavy - I can feel your depression from here.
Johnny_Fuckface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, you're downvoting me! Hahaha. You're trying to act all cool and analytical and make these assumptions about who I am and you're doing all this petty downvoting:) Look man, you win. I'm terrible and you're so cool for calling me out. I'm obviously clinically depressed and now I'll get the massage therapy I need. Bestof 100%. Have a blessed day!
Flux83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean he tripped and fell on the knife six times.
XxthrowawayxX85 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His is like me like a ton of bricks. Being 26 now, I never lived with my parents. Because of my family's situation, i moved in to live with my aunt, who was living on and off with a married man. Since I was 5 he started by molesting me.. i was physically abused by family members over the littlest things. I brought it up to my aunt when I was 6 and I remember, until this day, she came in the bathroom while I was showering and beat me up asking me all kinds of questions about what I had told her about her "husband". She then ended the beating with the "don't tell anyone about this" so I did.. and then when I was 9 I told my mother, I told her I wanted to live with her. My mother was poor, with no education, nothing going for her. I remember I told her I'd rather live under a bridge than with my aunt. She ignored me and all the details. Guy molested me all the way until I was 10. Then at 12, I thought I just wanted to be loved.. I told my sports coach about what was going on in my life and how I needed support. He then made me feel loved and wanted, until things went sour. One thing led to another and being used to the abuse I let myself get treated bad again.. this time by a coach. I tell no one about it and my life then changed completely. Needless to say, aunt is still married to the same man, coach (I've stalked him on Facebook) has had a bunch of kids with women half his age.. what got me mad from this story is the fact that the woman knew the dude had a record. Why expose your child to that kind of crap. That already meant he was trouble to begin with :/
jbnytxaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so sorry this happened to you. It's not your fault and you deserve to be loved.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Report the guy, now. Why not.
theCroc ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:13:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this can be filed under some kind of defense condition. She must be able to use extreme measures to protect her daughter from an attacker. Especially if the attack is already in progress when she discovers it.
theb1g ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:48:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are few times I think violence is appropriate but I am ok with this one.
questionableK ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:47:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't cut his dick off
hennalang ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:58:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lorena Bobbit that fucker.
sloth788 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:00:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see these stories come up on the front page every once in a while, and I'm always blown away at the degree to which people encourage retaliatory violence...
As someone who had to watch their father molest their sister in a public place when I was 11, I had a lot of anger and violence pent up in me for a long time... But I can gaurun-fucking-tee you that stabbing him would not have been the right move. Two wrongs don't make a right, and no emotion justifies the attempted murder of another person. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, you know?
The right move is to call the police immediately, and have him incarcerated. It's just that simple. There isn't another right move. That's the one.
Is her stabbing him forgivable? Sure. But so is him doing that to the daughter, as unpopular of an opinion as it may be... It took me well over a decade to forgive my dad. I'm still not there all the time, but you'd be surprised at the kinds of things you can come to peace with after you realize that your anger does nothing but make the world a darker place.
Condoning her violence is one thing. Sure. I can get that it's easy to look the other way when someone retaliates like that (even if the daughter isn't in immediate danger)... But actively encouraging and cheering her on for attempted murder? Come on reddit. Get your shit together.
Two wrongs don't make a right. It's that fucking simple...
PS: Downvote away guys. I'm probably in the 0.01% of people here who have any experience with this, but go ahead....
AJC_8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone in the 0.01%
Rage. She was in a fit of rage. Wouldn't the French call that a 'crime of passion'? I can understand what drove her to that fit of rage. I can forgive her.
sloth788 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can forgive a lot of things... The man and the woman both.
Holding onto resentment doesn't hurt them. It only hurts me.
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well said.
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To the last line that is. Don't know if I could forgive him though.
Opt1mus_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping an in progress rape with a knife is absolutely the right move. Would you rather she had let him finish while the police took a half hour getting there?
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I posted this on here earlier, but thought to ask your opinion directly. lionmama did call the police, but had to take matters into her own hands when they didn't arrive. Her daughter is 27, not 12, but still.
After reading this, what do you think her right move was?
sloth788 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At a certain point, self defense mechanisms apply to one's offspring as well...
If the police aren't coming, the attacker(s) are continuing to do harm, and refuse to stop, or threaten you if you try to make them stop, it's just self defense.
If they've stopped the aggression and you attack, of if you go hunt the guy down and beat him to death with your bare hands, like showed up on the front page a few months ago, it's a different story. Ideally you would simply restrain the attacker, but sometimes that's simply not an option... Incapacitating them is the only choice. Wanton murder when you could just knock them unconscious is a bit... well, extreme and violence and fucked up.
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply and your thoughts. Have a great weekend!
granwalla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Response seems appropriate.
callingallkids ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As well she should have.
ac34842 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
will she get charged?
Dumblebill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is wrong with the world.
aithne1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on her, if it did happen this way.
Geez. If anything (heaven forfend) ever happened to my husband, I don't think I could feel safe dating again til our kids were grown and out of the house. It's too scary to think some predator could sweet talk his way into my trust so he could target our kids.
Poor girl.
WaxAttk02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cool thing is he got fucked up by his wife and when he is imprisoned, he'll be known as a child molester meaning he's probably gonna get fucked even more. Sometimes things do come full circle
rlywhatever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What can i say? Attagirl!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't stab him enough, or use a big enough knife.
Azurealy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas, you can murder someone and get away with it if you catch them in the act of doing this if I remeber correctly.
jwest6302 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll see what it's like in the real world too. Having a boyfriend in prison....
mrwhibbley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M usually against domestic violence, but if the evidence shows she was right, I'll allow it.
AmericanPixel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what's worse for this poor little girl, the old creeper on top of her naked or the stabbing.
What a mental mind fuck
wyvernwy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't give him a Bobbit? Shame.
dubdub11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pity the knife was a pocket knife. Not only was he raping her daughter, but broke the front door down to get back in after being locked out.
tbe4502 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World is okay with this stabbing.
8urfiat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Officer:" Ma'am, I want to be sure I have this right for the report. Are you sure he didn't trip and fall on the knife several times?"
Krolitian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could you say the woman is guilty? If she didn't attack him, he would have likely attacked or killed her in fear of her calling the police. This was self defense
manonmarz1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was reading the headline and I saw the "...woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend" and I was like oh no she's crazy, then I read "finding him naked on top of 12-year old daughter," and I'm like keep stabbing
Ironicalogical ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Claw hammer to the skull would have been better.
OnlyRoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appropriate response. Poor girl tho.
Asshole_from_Texas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas, if it wasn't premeditated, she would not be indicted. Even if it was premeditated she would never be convicted. I don't know how Cleveland is.
Any locals interested in sharing the general consensus on crimes of this nature?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't a court in the land that would convict this woman.
gumgum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her only crime was not killing the fucker.
Hamann334 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't finish the job
the4thgenrf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally, someone standing up to abusive assholes
RubyTheWolfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was the responding officer, I'd just let her keep stabbing the cunt
Malhallah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no! I hope she didn't hurt her hand.
fletchmacfletch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is accurate, she deserves a parade
Nulligravida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I admire her restraint.
Hidoshigo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't a jury in the world that would convict her. Right??
sllaBwithhairontheB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How have no charges been filed?! Seems like pretty solid grounds for putting this asshole in jail for a long time. Dude isn't even denying it, just trying the stupidest defense ever that the girlfriend was jealous. God this type of shit makes me lose faith in humanity for so many reasons.
KTheOneTrueKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No jury in the world would convict her. And rightfully so.
meth0dz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should've cut his penis off. Fuck this guy.
Duggie1330 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh i couldnt respect anyone who wouldnt stab that guy. I would have told the girl to close her eyes then slit his throat.
djauralsects ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She needed a bigger knife.
alpha69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault for him, acquittal for her. There, saved ya a trial.
clovencarrot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the comments, I assumed this was /r/justiceserved
chimpaznee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think r/justiceporn would be a more appropriate assumption, considering the justice there is generally more violent than in r/justiceserved.
Osyrus903 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, nah, that seems fair enough.
PM_ME_FUTA_PEACH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Violate the rights of others and get your own rights violated.
starych_ziemniakow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should have stabbed him more times imo. Glad they're investigating as a rape case rather than assault by the mother. She probably saved her kid.
_MyThoughts_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give her a medal and a cash prize. Well done
Kotee_ivanovich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only stabbed? She should have beheaded him
o_Oz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All in favor of castration say AYE
RagnaBrock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being a dad with a daughter...this guy had this one coming.
Finances1212 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't really blame her
vandamage2112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck he survived the stabbing
cisxuzuul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have 13 & 11 year old daughters and I expect blinding violent rage if something like this ever happened to them.
OccamsPlasticSpork ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you aren't dumb enough to invite a pedophile in to your home.
TakeItEasyPolicy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there are a couple of spots left, I can chip in too with few dozens of stabs
IkeTurnerPimpin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To bad she didn't kill him. Violent child abuse/sexual abuse is what capital punishment should be used for.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst thing will be that it probably wasn't the first time.
imnotlegolas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah with a description as to what the girl confessed he did, that guy is going to get lynched by an angry mob, especially now its gone viral.
CadaverOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This monster needs to be dragged into the middle of the street and be executed....
joshmcd13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes anyone feel any better this asshole will probably get hell in prison.
YasiinBey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SWEET! Good for her, Iโve heard too many horror stories of mothers casting the blame on their child in these situations due to shock(I assume).
Happy to hear of a mother doing the direct opposite.
rajeetsipayya30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only wrong thing she did was leaving the fucker alive.
SchroedingersWolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor woman, I hope she doesn't serve any time for doing what EVERY parent would have done. It's miraculous she stopped stabbing him actually.
Doobie-Keebler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's not facing any charges right now, according to the article.
ravengenesis1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have donated a pair of scissors to her so she can snip snip
Deaf_Control ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just despicable what the guy did. Personally I would have done the same thing if someone did that to my daughter. Probably took a bludgeon to him too, maybe a gun. And sic my dogs on him, but I would have done the same thing.
borshi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfectly justifiable imo
Freezella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High five to that mom! It makes me sick reading stories of mom's who ignore abuse to keep a man in their lives.
itsachance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but would have done same.
Prelnar9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was "well, he deserved it"
Davecantdothat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got satisfaction from reading this, but that kid is going to be fucked up. Witnessing a murder immediately following being raped/molested us fucking traumatic.
Sooooo maybe not a good move as a mother.
redheaded999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her POS Deserved every bit of it and more. My feelings go out to the daughter though!
Robotic-communist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is fit of rage considered a defense? it should be depending on the situation. Child molesting, assaulting the elderly, rape, attempted child abduction should all be considered
JinDenver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any idea when her award ceremony will be? Anyone know if it'll be televised?
sfangela ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish she had used a bigger knife
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those situations where many of us will agree we would do the same thing, however I fear the mother might be charged.
I hope for her sake she can get a good lawyer and possibly only get some small probation.
What a shitty situation for the victim and the mother.
chryskross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Only 6 times. I admire her restraint.
cantbackflip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am glad he didn't die so he can go to jail for more stabbing in his filthy ass.
eupraxia128 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't even waste the court's time with this case. No charges against her. After a fair trial, castrate him (if found guilty).
skizethelimit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That mom deserves a medal.
RangerSkyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't kill him. ALL child molesters, pedophiles, and rapists of any kind should be immediately executed or cut into pieces and fed to dogs.
Give me the firearm and the knife, and I will do the feedings free of taxpayer money.
SupercellFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well pedophilia is a mental disorder that can be treated using counseling.
Not all pedophiles are rapists.
RangerSkyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you implying that, if I have impure thoughts about, say, having anal intercourse with a young girl, and seek out methods to fulfill my desires, maybe not rape, but let's say things like, illicit pornographic images or videos, and then go speak with a counselor about my "disorder", I'm just magically absolved from the crimes I have already committed?
Pedophiles aren't rapists, like you say. I agree. But even without rape, don't you agree that there are many ways for a pedophile to be acting or operating in a manner that is not considered legal because of their* thoughts or desires?
Who is legally liable then? The counselor? The state or federal healthcare system? No. The person who is the pedophile is the one legally liable. Regardless of wether that person acts on their impulses or not, their desires in fact have legal implications.
We could use hate groups as a good example of this. Many groups classified as domestic terrorist organizations have never committed any actual "crimes", however, their ideology and beliefs are in direct conflict with laws and the things society deems as unacceptable. Just as having sex with a child is an illicit "desire", so is wanting to kill a certain demographic of citizens because it doesn't meet your particular, radical, views.
With this, I also say that certain "mental disorders" are, in fact, incurable, or at the least, untreatable. Pedophilia being one of those "disorders". You can't just say "that's wrong" to someone who clearly doesn't have the capacity to understand the gravity of their desires or obsessions. There is no help in getting oneself to not desire a morally and socially unacceptable thing as pedophilia. No system in place that provides rehabilitation to people with such afflictions.
The reason why? It can't be done.
*Edit: There - their
SupercellFTW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Child pornography is illegal. I never said it wasn't.
Ok lmao. Believing things is not illegal.
Pedophiles are human beings. They know right from wrong, and many seek and counseling help to suppress urges. Sure, you're right that pedophilia is incurable. But appropriate psychiatric care can treat it.
RangerSkyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If pedophilia is incurable, how can it be treated? Your logic makes no sense.
Also, I didn't say that it was illegal to have thoughts or beliefs that run counter to the law, nor am I supporting any kind of thought policing in any way.
What I am saying is, is that if you have pedophilic thoughts, those thoughts can just as easily turn into illegal action, wether it is illegal pornographic material, or otherwise, pedophiles and their "desires" or thoughts, are walking a very fine line of legality. Bringing those thoughts or "desires" to the attention of a counselor does nothing. Talking about their fantasy world only further appeases their appetite for illicit thought and action, and vilifies them in a way.
There is no therapy for those who are pedophilic in nature. None. So, having "mental disorders" like they do, they should either be immediately reported by their counselor, detained and thrown to the looney bin, or be imprisoned for life like the rest of the people with "mental disorders", like murderers.
This topic brings up even tougher questions like, why are we, as tax payers, paying to keep people who offer nothing to society, alive in captivity? We both agree pedophilia is incurable, so why waste time, resources and space in already over populated prison systems, on people who cannot be included in the normal world? Why save people who cannot be saved?
Also, you are incorrect that appropriate care can treat pedophilia. A study by the International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology found that over a third of the people receiving treatment for their pedophilic ideas and actions actually just stopped showing up. They just dropped out of the program. Furthermore, the study found that "sex offenders who completed therapy were not any more likely to show empathy toward their past victims". The doctor conducting the study also pointed out that as far as prison programs for sexual predators are concerned, "There's nothing about prison that erases a person's attraction, or heightens their ability to control themselves".
I think you should go back to posting about Kanye. You seem much more informed on that topic.
SupercellFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay.
Curing something and treating something are different. Are you stupid? Most cancers are incurable, but we still have treatment for them...
I don't feel like picking apart the rest of your overwritten drivel goodbye
RangerSkyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that you don't have an argument to bring to the table and essentially, don't have a leg to stand on in this debate. You obviously haven't read up on studies that confirm what I am telling you either.
It's okay, just go back to fanboying your misogonystic Kanye god who pushes rape culture lyrics in much of his music. I can see now where your opinion on this topic originated from.
SupercellFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God you are the worst.
It's a Friday, shouldn't you go outside?
RangerSkyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not God. Nor am I the worst.
Please stop bringing your terrible opinions to this discussion. Next time you reply, please bring facts that support your claims of treatment for pedophiles. Otherwise, we are done here.
Maybe you should pick up the fragments of your dignity and join me outside.
swampswing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she responded like a reasonable and rational parent. What sort of human wouldn't immediately assault someone who was in the act of raping their child. Also I disagree with calling it rage, it was righteous fury.
tenspeed2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sucks that he didn't die :/
Atlas_Perpetually ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than the actual rape, I think the most disappointing thing about this whole incident is that his wounds were treated. Only in a perfect world would a child rapist be hauled off to prison WITH his wounds untreated.
LordJiraiya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every person in this country deserves due process. I don't care how much of a scumbag this guy is, attempted murder is not the answer. I do hope that this child rapist rots in jail where he belongs though.
Bwsab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs" Oh, no. Not this shitty headline again.
"boyfriend" Oh, goddammit.
"after finding him naked" God damn bitch.
"on top of" Infidelity is bad. Not a reason for murder! Goddammit!
"12 year old" ............?
"daughter." YOU GO GIRL!!! STAB HIM SO MORE!!!!
dgknuth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not guilty. Acting in defense of another. Next case.
whtgrlxtrm13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. Fuck that guy.
zombiemakemelol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says."
Well, that's all I need to know. Someone give that woman a bigger knife to keep on her next time.
AdamAAndrews ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give her a medal and say thank you.
Ocotopus_Shmoctopus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they don't charge her.
Putins_Masseuse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on the woman! What a horrible monstrosity that man is.
rogurt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rapists should be killed.
CapnTony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have cut his pecker off!!! This woman is a hero
Gocountgrainsofsand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good fucking job. One of the only times I'll support a stabbing.
Solid_Snaku ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uuuhhhh.......hmm. ok.
SkateboardG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use a cast-iron skillet next time. You can generate more torque in the swing.
Criblu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After reading the article, no amount of stabbing is enough for that scumbag.
jpop237 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A Cleveland woman repeatedly stabbed her boyfriend in a fit of rage after finding him naked on top of her daughter, according to police records."
How is rescuing your daughter from being raped defined as fit of rage. Sounds level headed to me.
Shadowk1ng ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heres what i would of done
*grabs rusty carving knife and slowly castrates the man *
grabs lemon juice, salt and fire ants placing them in cuts
watches ad man screams in pain
SomeGuyNamedPaul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck finding twelve people to agree that she was wrong to do that.
CurraheeAniKawi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justified. Too bad she didn't kill him.
Alenonimo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tip: Stab and twist. :3
hiredranger2014 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone lend her a bigger knife pls.
MyDadIsYourDad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would she go to prison for this? She was protecting her daughter, I'm sure most would do something similar
Phaethonas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the article says that charges were made against the man but omit anything about the woman. Probably she won't be charged, especially since he is alive.
guruscotty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll offer to help hide the body
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is just some cute supportive crap, but ffs that makes the case of anyone you help worse. Anger is common in homicidal crimes, she's better off finishing the stabbing, calling 911, and evacuating her blood stained home to get her daughter into an ambulance for a checkup....
guruscotty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. Kill the motherfucker, then immediately get your daughter to medical care.
DefenderRed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is tragic in two ways. First, that man preyed upon a 12 year old girl. Second, the mom didn't have a lethal enough weapon to do the job.
zachwilson23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My initial response was gee, I wish she had stabbed him more. Then after careful consideration, I decided prison would be a better punishment than death. Most inmates despise child molestors.
TSGZeus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a good feeling this guy is gonna drop the soap in prison an awful lot real soon to find out "what the real world is like"
SirJohnMarshall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming her story is correct, then good on her. Cut his fucking balls off and make him eat them.
svj111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weird that I'm completely okay with her doing this? Hopefully she doesn't get a long sentence.
zachwilson23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this never happens again, but I'd like to send this mother a bigger, sharper knife just in case
alwaysanothersmith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
xSpeedyMonkeyx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucked if true. Hopefully they can get some evidence involved.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheCourierWatches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck is wrong with a man trying to fuck his own daughter, right?!
jesus fucking christ, man.
RudegarWithFunnyHat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the wording suggest it was not his daughter not that that change anything
Drovardi1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. What a disgusting human being that man is.
flippedalid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me sick.. I knew a girl in highschool who had this happen to her. She was sexually assaulted for 3 years by her step father starting when she was 11-14. When I found out, I wanted to kill the man myself. Thankfully, we were both being baptised at church and she spoke about this in her testimony. The best part is that she was only 17 when she told the pastors, so the church had to report it to the police that a child had been sexually assaulted. This basically forced her and her mom (who had no idea this was happening for 3 years) to press charges. The guy denied he did anything wrong. They decided to go with 25 charges of sexual assault, molestation, and kidnapping. He eventually plead guilty and got like 15years? Maybe? I hope prison is as rough as I've heard for people who do sick stuff like this.
Wacko_Jack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scumbag defense always cracks me up.
Woman says she stabbed man because he attempted to rape her daughter. Man says he was stabbed because daughter might have had feelings for him. Yeah, which sounds like a more likely reason to be stabbed, pal?
iTzNikkitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she gets off easy, the fucker deserved it.
wgfdark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she doesn't serve time for this.
BlueFluffyDude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend.."
What the fuck.
"after finding him naked.."
WHAT the fuck..
"on top of 12-year-old daughter"
WHAT THE FUCK!
Krieeg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously hope she wont get any sentence.
jayemerald16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. Mother fucker shouldn't have touched her daughter
djdubyah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sad. good for the mom. i couldnt imagine a single mom in the dating scene trying to vet guys. just another layer to the bullshit this life offers
Souleater2847 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck him. He's gonna get a taste of the real world everyday, so is his asshole.
FattyMcBlobicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame she didn't kill him
denimchikn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't finish the job or at least cut his dick off.
ughlump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a pretty reasonable response.
Kambodia30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say she took the appropriate action.
Just_pull_harder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, stuff like this brings out this primal rage in me, even reading it makes me want to smash my phone. How on earth do social workers and police not completely lose it when you come into contact with these people?
tyrick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... that woman is my hero.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I just stabbed my boyfriend to death this would be the perfect excuse.
Things_Happened ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what had happened if the mother found the daughter was on top of the guy, and how she would have reacted then.
Chronic_Bronchitis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've killed him and went on with her life. Fuck that scumbag piece of shit. Your asshole just became your cellmates playground.
SnowMercy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing display of restraint.
aggravatingyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither were charged? Was the man not arrested after grabbing the woman by the throat and kicking down the door after assaulting a child?
gkovach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have carried a larger knife that shot bullets.
alwayzbored114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no! I hope the man survives the injury... so he can spend life in jail
Sycoskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be a very short lived life in jail... Other inmates don't take kindly to rape, especially of a child.
-I work at a max prison
patb2015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Set it in Manhattan and it's law and order SVU
aygomyownroad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope justice is served and the woman walks free and the boyfriend goes to jail. Or preferable dies...
someoldguyinPDX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see no problem with that.
22switch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing amazing sweetie
alien-bacon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone get this women a medal!
tacocompleteme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?!?!?!
Her mother's actions were 100% completely justified! What a vile fucking piece of shit!!!
Uxorius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems fairly reasonable. Illegal, but reasonable.
tingulz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have Bobbitted him.
MattyP2117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She innocent, she ain't do nothing wrong
Yelao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, humans. We're either a potential killer or a rapist. Perhaps both, in some cases.
TrueGlich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy that's going to be a fun case. Hopefully the cops/DA get a air tight case on the facts. I so see this one going down to Mom is a pysco and gets daughter to lie VS Boyfriend is a peto battle.
BAC_Sun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An expert psych review of the daughter should clear the mom of getting the daughter to lie. There may be physical evidence as well. In a way I hope so, that way there is no defense, but I really have a hard time hoping the boyfriend got anything other than stitches from the two of them.
That being said, if the mom lied that's equally disgusting, but the psych reviews should clear that up.
Wpmkcbss04 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this woman doesn't get an award for this, I'm going to be pissed.
Wilberella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally acceptable reason to repeatedly stab someone.
Arguswest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had an uncle who was hush hushed when ua asked bout him in the family. I get older only to find out he has been diddling my cousins for over 10 years. He gets locked up 25+. I get older and find myself in the yard in Med 1 ACI . ( prison ) Hear his name get called to medical. Found my way there first. He come waltzing in.. I say. You 'Joe Shit'? 'yeah, wh.. ๐ฅ' I blasted him in the face as hard as I could. Did 15 days in seg. Even cops said it musta been worth it...
AKA_Wildcard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what was presented in the article, it's unfortunate that he's not dead.
shadowbannedkiwi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it a butterknife or something? How did he survive that I wonder.
I hope the daughter is ok having been through this. The mother assumed the daughter had feelings for the man.
jamesgdahl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab wounds are survivable as long as you don't get stabbed somewhere important like your heart or a major artery.
People have survived dozens of stab wounds
shadowbannedkiwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True true. My only guess is that the knife was too short or the wounds too shallow.
d-101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good to know the mother acted quickly in that situation. I sincerely believe that no jury would ever convict her in that matter.
PaulsyMoFo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He fell into my knife officer. He fell into my knife 6 times."
did_it_right ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like she should have used a bigger knife.
Eclectophile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This Mom deserves a medal or something.
theshadowfax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't castrate him first. Child rapists should be removed from the gene pool and then removed from life itself.
WeylinWebber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've used a bigger knife
davidt0504 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.... consequences be damned, I would have stabbed that child raping bastard to death.
indrid_colder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have calmly called the police and waited 30 minutes for them to finish their donuts and maybe show up.
Double_A_92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Supporters of lynch law
InuMiroLover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing is the only appropriate answer to this scenrio. Guns are acceptable, but I think stabbing really sends the message home.
TeamForceGamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought this was uplifting news
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good thing about America is that she won't be charged for it.
In other countries, she would have to go through hundreds of hours of trials, in the USA she'll just be given a high-five from a bunch of cops and that's it.
Spacemarine658 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually unfortunately that's not always the case she might still have to go to court and prove it wasn't premeditated now she's waaaaay more likely to actually win but their are cases where they've lost in similar situations and actually in most of Western Europe in most cases of child sexual abuse there isn't a case just like in the US
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure? My idea was precisely that in Western Europe she would be trialed for what she did, whereas in the US she would be let go immediately.
I remember the case of a guy that beat a rapist into a bloody pulp when he caught him in his house raping his son: The police said "there is nothing to arrest him over, it was legitimate self defense". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLgZ65CrUQ
Spacemarine658 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has lived in both england and the us the laws are pretty similar she might be more likely to have to testify in court in Europe but the outcome would be pretty much the same save for certain situations (like if she didn't do it immediately and instead waited untill a while later to kill him somewhere else )
Spacemarine658 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has lived in both england and the us the laws are pretty similar she might be more likely to have to testify in court in Europe but the outcome would be pretty much the same save for certain situations (like if she didn't do it immediately and instead waited untill a while later to kill him somewhere else )
AnxiousAxis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find the woman not guilty.
Vitoxi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That poor child is going to be really traumatized from the rape and the stabbing, but God damn he deserved every stab.
phyloh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems reasonable
The stabbing part, that is.
pharmorjac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will be an episode of SVU this season.
xitzengyigglz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn some people need to die.
Zovable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have fucking ended his life. No sympathy for rapists. Hopefully he gets beaten to a pulp in prison.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a valid reason to stab the shit out of someone
Ryuuken24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have cut his dick off. This woman is a hero, she doesn't deserve to spend a single day in jail, let this woman go!
AJC_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, and, if you have a minute, please read about lionmama. Her daughter is 27, not 12, and she had called the police already, but when they didn't turn up, she took matters into her own hands. Our instinct, our reflex, our DUTY, is to protect our children. And surely, it is also a kind of self-defence, self being you and yours.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a case where the mother should be lauded and not charged while the pedophile boyfriend should end up in jail.
Let's hope that is how it turns out.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if she not only lied and had her daughter lie to cover for her?
--WhiteFang-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we hope that the guilty party ends up in jail and that the daughter gets amazing therapy.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you are a good person. This should be the desired outcome.
Navilicious20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have stabbed his penis as well! Poor girl :(
DSM-6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfectly understandable reaction.
Marine_Fortress ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I feel hatred every time I see one of those "progressive" news articles trying to make pedophiles out to be anything but heinous and deranged monsters. They're manipulative, sick people who deserve nothing good in life. Lock this garbage excuse for a human being in a prison for the rest of his life, until one of his fellow inmates finds out what he's there for.
I can only imagine what that woman is going through. I hope her and her daughter can somehow recover from this after enough time.
_ihateeverything ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone give that mom a medal.
drjams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a piece of shit. How do people get that fucked up and stoop to that level of depravity?
MaveDustaine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That title was a rollercoaster of emotions.
SorryCrispix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Times Woman of the Year award goes to...
Seriously fuck that guy. Let him rot. Child abusers should endure a lifetime of pain and torment.
Snannybobo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to want to see my city in the news. Now I see it all the time and it's always bad stuff like this...
chili01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is a monster
blueberries97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
Ze_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnt even charge her with anything, well done.
eviltrain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...I'm O.K. with this. Even better that he didn't die so her daughter doesn't have to lose her mother to prison.
Jmac0585 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, Cleveland hitters are on a roll lately.
zzzzzzzz414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that title was one hell of an emotional rollercoaster ride.
cajunhawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is well within her rights...in my opinion.
TonyAtCodeleakers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a little off topic, but I work in child care and stories like this keep me up at night. The craziest part is Iโm 19 male and have no kids of my own or plans to in the near future.
Itโs like a switch flipped in my head once I started getting close to some of the kids that I work with that makes me have nightmares when I read about this shit. I work with pre-k to 3rd and allot of the kids I work with are foster and even homeless so they already have allot of baggage but sometimes they do shit that no 1st grader should be doing that sets off huge red flags (and reports are always filed)
I just donโt understand how some people can legitimize or normalize actions in their head enough to go through with sick shit like this. I 100 percent would of done the same shit as this woman and if one of the kids at work told me that their parents or someone they are close with did something of this caliber to them you better believe Iโm bashing their skulls in if I see them or get my hands on them before the cops do.
WillCle216 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not far from where I live.
captaintmrrw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have trouble convicting her if I was on the jury. I know vigilantism is wrong but it just seems like a normal reaction.
godzillabobber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
needed a bigger knife
tomNJUSA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The second line of the report should read " the police officers gave her a larger knife and left the room to let her finish the job."
Funbia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...so what's the problem?
Mr_Cromer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the woman gets charged, jury nullification would almost certainly be the result
Mr_Cromer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the woman gets charged, jury nullification would almost certainly be the result
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is he still alive girlfriend
pooponagoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well...I'm with her with this. Fuck that piece of shit.
redbabybuggybumper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send that useless piece of garbage to prison so he can get a taste of his own medicine.
2_minutes_in_the_box ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. I wish he had died.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BrittonVFX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, no jury will convict her
Ash21488 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feed his cock to the dogs and let the woman off with a caution!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that was my kid...the dude would be dead
DaCukiMonsta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Press F to stab again
mountainwoman1140 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell hath no fury like a mother protecting her child from someone who is attacking them. That applies to both animals and humans, and in this case, he was both.
dirtymoney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No jury in hell would convict this woman.
insomniainc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world will never stop providing SVU with source material.
There's a special place in hell for that guy.
nmerriot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bf should start smoking weed and have his balls removed
opzoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so i wanted more information on this, so i googled 'cleveland rape' and sorted for 'last week'. There are like 4-5 different cases. Three child rape and one about a 78 yr old. I have lost all faith in humanity.
donedidgot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give that woman a medal!
JBluehawk21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean.... That's a horrific sight to walk into.. I could see it make someone snap.
Jonger1150 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Hopefully the boyfriend dies.
El_Kabong_Returns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully she doesn't get charged with anything.
FullMeltxTractions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say that's worth at least a stabbing.
ZetsubouThe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very good, well deserved.
sm00th_malta7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who dealt with this subject matter personally, I should really stop reading these articles so my day doesn't get ruined.
fildodaggins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she waited until he got off of her daughter to start stabbing him
falls_asleep_reading ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think so. He got stabbed in the back of the head, according to the article. Pretty sure that was the first one.
LimitedDarjeeling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone with a two year old daughter, I absolutely could not promise you that I wouldn't do the same.
Raz0rW1RED ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good on her. Only wish she'd finished the job
DarthSkittles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is very reasonable response to finding a grown person naked on top of your child.
Graysteve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That title was a roller coaster of emotions.
abbleberries ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible use of speech marks in this article:
She called police saying that "her boyfriend tried touching her daughter and she stabbed him," records say.
Lylac_Krazy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she was in Texas, 5 stab wounds is called a warm up.
Stoodius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of article
What a cliffhanger.
Slackerboe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says the mother and daughter gave different accounts of what happened and then doesn't go into it.
falls_asleep_reading ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it means of the stabbing itself in terms of what exactly happened in the struggle there. The article is VERY clear about what the little girl told police about the assault.
The one thing that troubles me here is that the kid has cuts on her hands from the knife. I can see the mother having them from the struggle, but why the kid?
lazyguy202 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They give a different account than the boyfriend
Ryusirton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for clearing that up lol. I was scratching my head because the mother and daughter both confirmed the sexual assault
BossHogg_Outlaw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You cant read.
jewellovesNicki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank God!! More people need to be like this woman! If I EVER caught anyone hurting my daughter, it would be death for them!
CLX053 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be hard pressed to find a jury that would charge someone for this even if it did turn out to be illegal. No way she faces any charges for stabbing him, as it should be.
falls_asleep_reading ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if what the article says about what the child told investigators is true, the only thing mama did wrong here was using a pocket knife instead of a butcher's knife.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Bman409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering if chimps rape prepubescent females. I kind of doubt it, actually.
It takes a human to be that evil
Novocaine0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought it was just another crazy bitch and was gonna keep scrolling but then I read the other half of the sentence and was like WTF.Sorry for thinking you're a birch lady,and sorry your ex-husband was such a disgrace to humanity son of a bitch
infinitezero8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reading that article was quite the emotional ride.
Petuniapie164 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp. I'd probably do the same.
Emberlite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserved it. Too bad he isn't dead. I hope the woman and her daughter walk free and that the girl gets top quality therapy because that fucks people up. Two people very close to me have been molested and I've seen how it impacts their self-esteem despite how rational they are.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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japhillips87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most states allow deadly force to stop the commission of a forcible felony. Rape would be included in that.
Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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japhillips87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forcible felony is something like armed robbery or rape.
Fthwrlddntskmfrsht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
welp, I agree with her decision even though it was poor judgement considering her future.
TheF0CTOR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bastard was raping her 12 year old daughter. Stabbing him wasn't retribution, it was defense.
Fthwrlddntskmfrsht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. a 12yr old cannot defend themselves in that situation, only an adult can defend them. However, the law is a piece of shit and doesn't always read between the lines so she'll go to prison for a while most likely.
xxAkirhaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 6 stabs? I would've gone for bonus stabs after seeing him on top of my daughter(6), naked(12), as her parent(โ).
FoodBurning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's true about him being on top of the child then she should've kept stabbing the bastard until he was nothing but a pile of fleshy guts.
noFOXgivenFURreal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, heard enough, sounds about right to me.
FoodBurning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Looks to me that he stabbed himself officer Geordie"
wafflepiezz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking insane men out there, I'm telling you (as a man). Also, it's crazy that a lot of people here actually had similar personal experiences like it's a common thing now, jesus christ
CorpTshirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, there's that. And yet...no arrest. Tis' a puzzlement, is it not?
Nitzelplick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The story would begin, "Man pronounced dead..." in my version.
kingofallbugs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give this woman a medal
CrackHeadRodeo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone is guilty of something, am gonna wait for the courts to sort this one out.
DoDraper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserves to be shot at first sight. Scum of the humanity.
mcf71 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should get the freedom of the city.
M1ghtypen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"What are you gonna do, stab me?"
-Monster that clearly deserved to be stabbed
Papa_EmeritusIV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's wasteland justice for ya.
randy_in_accounting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the most gangsta shit I've heard all day, good on her.
Otter_Lord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reading the title my thoughts were as follows "Okay I get it he cheated and is a piece of shit, but you shouldn't have-.....okay yeah fuck that piece of shit. Carve him up like a fucking turkey on thanksgiving."
ScruffyUSP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justified as could be. Hope the bastard dies.
downvoats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. Never thought I'd say this, but that's a good stabbing.
hgmartial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NEWEST UPDATE TO THIS STORY http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
LoveThemApples ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her! Great mom!
RyanK_Cs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems justified to me
nhsbytes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True right, I would have chopped his balls off and put them in the waste disposal
runandkickgirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why only 6 stab wounds?
Fermunney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing.
MacTireLiath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's not being charged right?
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of them have been charged yet.
o0cynix0o ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dudes been charged with Rape.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I just saw that. Hope he falls up numerous sets of stairs while in lock up.
Yak_Mehoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this piece of shit, she shld have killed him
Ninjabutter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go easy on her, she tried. Killing people takes practice.
TheFuego126 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't she stab the bastard to death?
Illdieforthefunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All pedos should be lined up against a wall and shot
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even imagine the rage she must have felt. One of the few occasions where aggravated lethal force is moral and probably legal
optogirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says."
what the actual fuck
aihley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what we call "natural consequences."
GhostofRimbaud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. This is what should happen more often. Good for her, she's a very good mother.
Dewyboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope this is effective enough negative reinforcement for the guy to stop doing this shit.
Luke3407 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aaaand that's enough Reddit for the day folks
t34p075 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That headline ended differently than I expected
SinfullySinless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that 12 year old girl didn't witness the stabbing but I guess it beats the alternative of continuous raping
mike_d85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I might be okay with this.
rsound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, stab him once or twice, then cut his dick off.
14132 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely justified. 10000% ok in my book.
Ho_Dang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This woman did what was right, pedophiles do not change no matter the counseling received or jail time served.
BigTopGT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However many times she stabbed him, it was one too few...
napmax_1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good saves money on the trial
KoRnKloWn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good, fuck this rapist piece of shit. More woman need to be prepared to stand up to ass holes like this, more women should take self defense classes and carry weapons too.
SlarSlar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women probably shouldn't let convicted felons stay at their houses unattended with their 12 year old daughters either.
KoRnKloWn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is also very true.
Malache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where can I send money for her defense?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow....
The only reason I'm glad this woman didn't use a larger, sharper, and generally deadlier knife is that it means this poor little girl didn't have to witness someone literally die in front of her after being sexually assaulted.
Though if anyone publishes a study showing strong evidence that watching one's sexual assailant die can be therapeutic, I will rescind the previous paragraph.
Chubbs117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did she stop at 6?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely she did it out of self defense. In self defense you generally want to stop attacking once the attacker is disabled and can't do anything else.
Pilgrim3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems fair to me. No charge to answer.
Lazuliv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't stab him enough if he's still alive.
revret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cut his balls and feed him with 200 ml cranberry juice. Since I am a liberal
zsnajorrah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The updated article closes off with the following paragraph:
A real gentleman, this guy.
pixel_juice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a proud bleeding heart liberal and I say "good". Fuck that guy.
YoungRicoSuave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dude had it coming to him.
rockadial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember a scene from fear and loathing in Las Vegas about castration and double castration that probably could apply to cases this blatantly open and shut. The fucker was caught red handed there is no oh maybe he is being framed.
momdestroyer69420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was understabable
Actually though, I'm incredibly happy that the woman reacted the way she did. This was the only reaction that is just truly satisfying and now he's being charged for rape. Fuck that guy.
AllTheWayTrump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why gun control is bad. This woman needed a gun to finish the job.
Nivzamora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck finding a jury to convict her of anything
TheRealAdmiralPrice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope there's no criminal charges for her.
FM-101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope his dick falls off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar to that dad that caught the dude on his son and beat the fuck out of him, she won't see jail time
87miles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the article and too many comments. Feeling dead inside. Heading over to /aww now to balance this.
angel_bucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im gonna go too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess she's lucky she didn't kill him or she would be in serious trouble. But he deserves it so you know kinda wish she would have.
Suzookus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel really bad for them. Hopefully the guy will be raped in prison repeatedly so he knows what it's like.
flarezilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't stab him enough.
MattDLD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jury nullification for this case.
EDIT: Changed a Word
gustavgray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd file this under โcompletely rational reactions.โ
crushmebaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would be as good as dead if that was my daughter. Definitely an appropriate response, I feel horrible for that girl.
Sonnysdad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell of a way for dude to commit suicide..
hotbutnice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking scumbag. ๐ I hope the girl recovers without too much damage to her psyche. It will be a long time before the mother or daughter are able to trust again.
MydnightRose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for the mama, some mothers would pretend it didn't happen just to keep the man in their lives. If she's looking for a boyfriend someone should introduce her to the dad who beat his molesters son up.
oneguytwogirls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah good job lady
escapedpsycho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. Nuff said.
SeanFromQueens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! The guy survived!
Um, the mother should be considered for sainthood for not going back and finishing the job. Interrupting raping my 12 year old child... best hope that I don't just knock you out and you wake up in a shed in the middle of the woods amputating your limbs with a baseball bat.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame he lived
ElitistRobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah.
Yeah, okay, sure. That's what should happen when that sequence of events happens. Yes, he got stabbed, that's correct.
DeeAmi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish she had killed the son of a bitch.
LiesBuried ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that the child is gonna have to live with that kinda damn trauma for the rest of her life.
Damn if only the mom would've killed his ass, he'll probably get an anal prolapse in prison from getting raped everyday so atleast some justice.
Prestigeboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guys death would also traumatize her.
walksinwoods ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The details of the report aside, why would the editor allow a write up the uses the phrase "the report said" so many times. I read this and found it distracting from the story.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A rather pointed response...
Snapper-95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He cheated on his girlfriend with her under-aged daughter...
Yeah, he's fucked.
Velvetrose-2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheating would imply the daughter was a willing participant.
What he did is basically rape
ozythemandias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And cheating
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Infidelity is not the problem here, you nutbar.
Snapper-95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:15 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just pointing out the insult to injury.
theycallmeryan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free my girl she did nothing wrong
youarepotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not often, but sometimes I hear about violent crimes such as this and think "fair enough"
Toast_Sapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he definitely deserved to get the shit stabbed out of him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This 12 year old is going to be really in need of help.
Madenmann ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I figure i wouldn't be all that thrilled in that situation...
If i was the judge i'd put her into a prison but merely to have her be away from it all. Can't have the state pay for vacation but she does need a change of scenery. Also the daughter should be able to visit her at the place. To which i'd order psychiatric evaluation because i figure she could use some medication in her bloodstream...
darkfoxfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 6 times? Not enough
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well 6 times was not nearly enough. The sonofabitch should have been ground up in a giant wood chipper and then shipped off to McDonald's
sasjason ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But was it their twelve-year-old daughter? See, this is why it's important to write in proper English!
Thatotaku123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the motherfucker is still alive she didn't stab him enough :D
Re-AnImAt0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The woman still had enough arm strength to pick up and dial a phone afterward. She did not stab him nearly as many times as she should have.
Hahonryuu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im conflicted. On one hand, screw this guy, no mercy!
On the other hand, i assume now the daughter essentially just lost her mom since, reasons aside...murder is murder in the eyes of the law.
So she was raped by someone she presumably knew and trusted, watched her mom stab a man to death, watched a man die, and now her moms probably gone too...
She's gonna have a rough tim. Not that she already hasnt :(
But still, screw that guy
Wdf1987 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy didn't die, though he should have
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. There are all sorts of potential mitigating factors, especially in this case.
Hahonryuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so. She's gonna be in a rough mental state for most/all of her life no matter what. I'd want her to have her mom :(
Seeing some other comments apparently theres such a thing as "justifiable homicide" or something like that? assuming the mom herself isnt coo-coo for coa-coa puffs, i hope this applies to her.
This whole thing just sucks =/
alexturnersbignose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the both the mother and the girl get all the help they need. My uncle married an Irish girl from a staunchly Catholic family, the type of people whereby God/The Devil/Hell/Heaven are as real as the nose on your face.
My uncle found out after years of marriage that his wife had been repeatedly raped by her father since she hit puberty - she never left home until she was 28 because she didn't want her two younger sisters to go through the same as she had. She would intercept her father at night and sleep with him so that he wouldn't get to her sisters.
The mother repeatedly went to the police and their priest for help but were basically told that my uncles wife was just a whore that had led a good God fearing man into temptation. The mother committed suicide, my uncles wife has severe mental problems because she utterly believes she's going to spend eternity in Hell and to top it all off my uncle started drinking heavily to cope and is now in a hospice with a degenerative brain disorder caused by the alcohol.
The number of lives this shit has ruined is fucking unreal so I commend anyone that has gone through it and is still living their lives - that takes a hell of a lot of strength.
lomika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:30 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. Just an article here in Wales said he'd been released without charge due to lack of evidence. Pft, more fake news! ๐ก
gameofthrombosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:36 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good! Glad she wasn't charged she probably would have been if she killed him, but as a mom I consider protecting my child like my own self defense perhaps even more. Dirty man assaulting a 12 year old now how did he think he was going to get away with That?
DinosaurChampOrRiot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:10:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy, this kind of thread. The kind where commenters have a contest to see who can fantasize about hurting child rapists the most. I understand feeling this way, but the way you guys talk about it creep me out. It seems like you are guys almost eager to hurt people when you have a good reason to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. People get absolutely no justice in wages, police brutality, abuse of soldiers in the war machine, education, debt and our financial system, they know that generally white collar crimes will be rewarded with golden parachutes and property crimes will either never be solved or the person will get off light, on top of it all, doctors prescribe some of the most addictive and expensive drugs but you can't even smoke a joint in some states without getting hauled off to prison. Drunk drivers get back on the road but poor people get pulled over driving while black or if white, driving a shitty vehicle. "Excuse me sir did you know your taillight is out?"
These sex offenders, we are all allowed to hate them. Nobody will come back saying "well why didn't you get a better education" or "I guess you shouldn't have had kids if you couldn't afford them" or "Well you made these choices" or "come on would you rather live in communism / the wild west?" Nope. Nobody is going to attack us if we get angry about the injustice. Nobody's going to say we are ungrateful.
This motherfucker's gonna burn in this thread.
bittermctitters ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, everybody hates them for good reason, and this guy got what was coming to him. He's talking about the blood lust in this thread. People are literally fantasizing about murdering a person. Even if it's justified, it's still pretty sick.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't justified it though. I have explained it. That said, if it's justified it's not sick.
I think it's normal. When you have a whole society of people who aren't even forgiven the interest on debts they took out at 18 to get a job, who are even vilified for their "irresponsible" choices, you can expect people to want blood for crimes like this.
Our society is merciless and hateful towards its own citizens. Talk back to a cop? Die. Get sick? Debt for life.
When they have the chance to rip someone to shreds, someone is finally below them, watch out. Politics is bad enough, but people know that if they let out their hate on a politician, they will get downvoted, they will get blamed.
Child molesters are at the bottom of the heap and this is a fucking angry heap. I would not be even a tiny bit surprised if they had public executions for those guys. Someone has to suffer for all the pain and loss of control people feel. Rape a kid and tag you're it.
sapphireprism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone has the urge to hurt people at some point in their life. We all work hard to keep that urge under wraps but if given the chance to actually murder someone a lot of us would go for it and why not a pedophile. If someone said to me that I can torture and kill this man because of all the children he's raped and not get in trouble, I WOULD. And it would be glorious because I would pretend that he was the man that hurt me as a child.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why Dexter was so popular.
lejefferson ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:04:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And prepare for the Reddit comments advocating violence against criminals. It's like a bloody 18th century public lynching in here.
Bubbaganewsh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:09:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone was raping your daughter what would you do? "Excuse me sir, could you please remove your penis from my daughter". I don't think so. If it was my kid and some guy was doing that, he would likely be dead.
lejefferson ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:33:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because the only possible options in this scenario are to politley ask the man over a cup of tea to cease and desist or stab him 5 times in the back and head.
Wonderful critical thinking skills random redditor.
Bubbaganewsh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone raping your daughter is a stabbable offense, period.
5335s ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And prepare the redditor defending a child rapist. Fucking liberalism is a disease
lejefferson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:35:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because liberal people are the only people who believe in the constitution of the United States. Because the only possible option in this scenario are "defend rapists" and "murder in cold blood people accused of being rapists". I can see critical thinking is not welcome here. Y'all mother fuckers need less Batman, more constitutions.
TheMintLeaf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:04:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to lose faith in humanity, sort by controversial
artisticMink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't. Save yourself.
Sentry459 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I...I should've listened.
Brexit-the-thread ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:01:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not denying this incident took place, but people should remember that children can easily be led to tell lies by their mothers, my own mother tells lies to my 4 year old brother all the time about how her partner is 'such a bad man' and shit. and it works. she basically made him hate his dad without even understanding why.
If he's a rapist who molested his own daughter. castrate and lock him up. if she lied about him being a molester and mindfucked her daughter into also perpetuating the lie, throw her in prison and render her barren. this is my take on things.
The article doesn't really give much details either way
tawp_dawg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the woman was the only one who had penetrated anyone that day.
kinda_dead_inside ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now here's a case where the police should've shot the fucking pedophile and claimed he was resisting arrest.
Bareham666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a shame she didn't cut his dick off!! sick scumbag!
another_wingnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he has stab holes in his clothes, I'll listen to his side. If not, he was naked and busted...case closed.
SeahawkTJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the only time he would be naked is during a rape?
People lie, mothers, daughters, boyfriends. The fact there had been no charges against either one at the time the story was released tells me the story is not cut and dry.
another_wingnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. My comment was reactionary and I was mainly playing detective wondering if the holes in the clothing angle had been pursued. I generally know better than to comment on news stories, because the real facts tend to come out later and reveal less insidiousness than originally inferred.
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've all done it at some point.
๐ป A toast to reactions!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She better not get fucking charged with anything because that's fucking bullshit that he did that and she should have every right to fucking destroy his life any which way she chooses. If I was a father and I had a 12-year-old daughter and a man was naked on top of her in my house he wouldn't be walking out of there alive
SeahawkTJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If. The rape kit hadn't been completed at the time the story was released.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? A grown man shouldn't be on top of a 12 year old girl. You're an idiot trying to defend a child molester.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People lie, when this story was first released, the police had charged no one. So it was either the guy lied and had been found naked on the child, or the mom lied and stabbed the guy for another reason. The main thing is the cops had not arrested anyone involved, so why automatically believe the mother?
That has changed and the guy has since been arrested.
I was not defending a child molester, I was saying that with the information we had at the time we couldn't know who was lying. I am so sorry for not jumping directly on the hang him by his balls bandwagon without all the info.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be from California
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born in Texas, raised in San Diego!
But am now curious why you would say that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:04:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, stay in California then. Thanks for confirming what I knew. Your reply makes sense to me now. Lol
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wanting to have all the information before making a decision is a California thing?
Wow, who knew?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but pretending over Reddit that "I would stay calm and collect the facts first" when walking into your 12 year old daughters room finding a grown man on top of her is an idiot Californian thing.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I see your confusion now. I was initially responding to this part of your comment.
At the time of that comment, the cops had yet to arrest the guy.
And by your comment it seemed like you believed the mothers side of the story, with only the " he said, she said" laid out in the story. I on the other hand believed the story to be odd, as the police had not arrested either the man or the woman. so that is where the stay calm and collect the facts mind set comes in to play.
As for walking in on a naked guy on top of my kid, per my response to another user in the same thread, they would have needed a coroner, not the cops. There is not a snowballs' chance in hell that I would remain calm. There is a huge difference between my reaction if I saw the crime take place, and reading a story with only preliminary info. We have seen plenty of stories posted on reddit that start out with " a did X to B" only to find another story where that was not the case at all. See r/hatecrimehoaxes for examples.
hope this clears things up a bit, and helps kill that anti Californian feeling you seem to have.
EducationFool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully the woman doesnt get in trouble. And the trash idiot raping a 12 year old should be put down!
crich_72 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have cut his balls off while she was at it.
swordmagic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should kill more pedophiles
theMined ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, he survived. #Shame
saint-malo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:16:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Normally i'd be like "no don't stab." but in this case, stab away.
ViagraPRN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. Drop all charges and give her an award and lifetime counseling for Mom and Daughter - more so the poor Daughter
jakub_02150 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the problem is?
Necronmon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not all heroes wear capes.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:38:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gotenks1114 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of all the comments in this thread, this one might be the most disturbing.
Steroid1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:10:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if the mother was lying?
lunarav ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:54:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There really isn't "another side" when it's a 12 year old. It's considered rape regardless of the situation.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:57:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lunarav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sorry I meant from the rape perspective. Like his side versus the 12 year olds if in fact he was on top of her naked. Not the stabbing part
GhostBond ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Silent--H ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:48:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mother/daughter are lying about the cause of the stabbing, THAT is the other side.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dcsievert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS is why crucifixion and stoning should be brought back. If a pedophile sees another pedo racked up and stoned to death, I'm betting kids won't look as sexually desireable...
GhostBond ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn straight, if this woman accuses of you of something you should be cruxified and stoned, obviously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSFBtuwSs4
Do I need to add the /s?
dcsievert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh. And you advocate for going straight to crucifixion and stoning straight after the accusation with out any court involvement? You know, like what we have in place now before the death sentence is carried out? I don't know why you're asinine enough to do that, but fine. You, I would send right straight to the cross. Everyone else gets their day in court. Sounds fair to me. No /s required, here.
DerEineDa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because that's how sexual attraction works!
dcsievert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might not be how sexual attraction works, but it would go a long way into predatory deterrence, wouldn't it smart ass?
miqotes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. People can face life imprisonment and also death depending on where you are for certain crimes and that doesn't stop people from still doing what they want.
dcsievert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really. And I call bullshit, right here. If there were no repercussions - i.e. NO ONE went to jail and NO ONE got a lethal injection - there would be a LOT more crime.
The VAST majority of people who MIGHT commit crimes are undoubtedly concerned with getting caught, and by extension, worried about facing penal repercussions. Very FEW criminals are flagrantly violent and do NOT try to avoid capture and conviction.
That some FEW of criminals are not able to dope out why they should use their knowledge of those repercussions to NOT do their bad acts is NO reason to NOT pursue repercussions for all who do wrong, and by extension, attempt to keep others from similarly breaking the law.
But yeah - if you care to coddle rapists, murders, etc., go ahead and campaign to remove the laws putting people in prison because incarceration and such just isn't viable in your eyes. We'll see how that works for you.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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parlarry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:48:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say she didn't stab him quite enough....
Lethn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you all going to do if it turns out she was lying? We only have one version of the events here and I find it interesting how fast you're all siding with her.
Looks like it's a pretty fucked up family generally to me so I'd be surprised if it was as clear cut as the version the girlfriend is going with.
sewerrat4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The daughters account kinda solidifies it, I don't know how you're giving the guy even a fragment of sympathy. A man raped a child, he deserves to burn in hell
Lethn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called respecting due process and there are times in domestic violence cases for example where children have actually been trained by the mother to lie about the father in court to make him seem like a monster. Not that you've thought about that in the slightest, you just want to virtue signal and feel good about yourself by bagging an accused paedophile and calling it a day.
sewerrat4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a fucking joke holy shit. There's obviously legal stuff to go through, but acting like people are "quick to judge" in a pretty clear situation without much reason to doubt the story, when it's about something as vile as child rape, is disgusting. People are justified in villainizing him. There's very little reason to doubt what the daughter says. Hell, most kids are scared to speak up at all, it's much less common for a mother to train her kid to lie.
Lethn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're a fucking joke and somebody I would definitely refuse to hang out with because of your attitude.
CorpTshirt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally, someone with some logical thinking. I too see all kinds of holes in the moms story. Everybody is quick to lynch the guy, (please...if guilty I would gladly help) but there's other weird shit going on in this house, I guarantee it. It'll be interesting to eventually hear 'the rest of the story.'
Lethn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the police haven't released any details of what they actually encountered and so on with their investigation it could just as easily be a domestic violence case and things like that. Like you, I'm glad there are other people not jumping to conclusions, redditors really are a bunch of twats at times.
Giovannnnnnnni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was starting to feel I was all alone with logic in here, I scrolled down too far in this thread to finally find one post of any thought.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have killed him
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I didn't vote for Trump but political leanings shouldn't really apply in this situation.
HHHikari ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:33:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you an American? With you guys selecting Trump as president and saying shit like this in this thread, I have no positive opinion of you guys anymore. You guys are terrorists
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a parent I have a daughter and some animal raping her would be lucky to die a quick death
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd likely end up getting both you and your child killed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would take the chance. In America even in the face of overwhelming evidence or takes one mistake by the police or prosecutor and he walks free. One tiny mistake and that sick bastard walks. I'm sure that you are fine with that though. You sound like the type of person that would defend his actions. You can't rehabilitate a person who would rape a 12 year old so he would just do it again.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd take the chance of getting your kid killed? You should have your kid taken away from you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have a child do you if you don't no offence but your opinion doesn't hold much weight. Also whatever country you are from maybe the laws are different. But no chance in Hell would I allow a person who I saw raping my child and was already in the process of stabbing to live.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So all of the abusive and negligent parents out there would be qualified to comment on this but not me because I don't have a kid?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you are fine but I would like to hear what you would have done
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to say. I'd like to think I'd call the cops and let that guy know they were on their way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how would you feel if he got away or got off on a technicality and brutalized and maybe this time killed another little girl? I ask because our laws are so different that a simple clerical error could be enough to let a man that you saw rape a child walk away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The alternative is vigilante justice which puts the victim in danger.
jake354k12 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:23:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well why don't you go to your pedophile apologizing cave so we don't have to listen to you.
HHHikari ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:57:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd go to your terrorism and extremism apologizing cave it'd be better
jetcoff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:07:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better than normalizing pefophilia?
HHHikari ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So are you saying by not stabbing people to death on spot someone is normalizing it? Are you serious?
jetcoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I'm serious. Child rape deserves the death penalty.
_Shal_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both Trump supporters and non Trump supporters can probably agree that this is warrented. Violence is allowed to stop a serious harm to yourself or someone else. She shouldn't go too far when the threat has been handled but at the time of this crisis she shouldn't be trying to hold back for the sake of a rapist. Also, as much as prison and fines deters people from committing a crime, those make some people just avoid leaving evidence or not commit it in front of authority. If a victim or a friend of a victim can use violence with a potential to kill if necessary, that would also demotivate some criminals.
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They're not terrorists, they're just dumb as shit.
slider2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yankee are a violent bunch.
iamthebaconburger ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 18:48:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the muslim.
DiamondHammer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:11:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't group pedophilia-apologizing fucks in the same group as us, thanks.
jetcoff ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an asshole.
EpicDerp37272 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not every Muslim is pedophile rapist terrorist, and that's coming from a republican.
XXTwnz ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes she should have. He could have easily killer her or the daughter since it was still walking around after kicking in her door.
topheavyhookjaws ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:50:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't blame her for that to be fair
hadapurpura ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:46:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I hope the book is thrown at him.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She needs to pack a glock next time and do the job right.
BuzFeedIsTD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part of a roundabout is when people don't go around and just go flying in the air. I saw a brand new e300 get like 3 feet of air the other day
Blubalz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong thread Ned
BuzFeedIsTD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao how
eppinizer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucked up situation all around.
swilson215 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about Cleveland, but in Texas "he needed killin'" seems to be an accepted defense...hope it applies here (not that he's dead, but still).
Daveymatics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 12 times?! The loser was lucky he didn't end up looking more like Swiss cheese.
Azozel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "boyfriend" needs to go to prison.
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Premiertier ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to laugh at this. Can I laugh at this?
Arctic_Drunkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laugh away my friend.
PIP_SHORT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She won't and shouldn't go to jail for this. The boyfriend, however, his punishment hasn't even begun. Just wait until he gets to prison.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't support murder of these guys, but holy crap this guy hurts kids. Seriously who does this? What makes it worse for me is that I was falsely accused of this crap and it makes me want to go after guys who really do this. I also don't understand why children? Hope the guy gets a life sentence.
RDGIV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we please start hanging people like this again instead of wasting tens of thousands of our tax dollars feeding and sheltering them in corrective institutions? That same money could go to helping people in need, rope is cheap.
Etherius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I hope she's acquitted of any crime and he's executed
oldneckbeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's too bad. She should have killed him.
I'm as liberal/anti-death-penalty as they come, but raping kids is next-level crime. If you're caught in the act, a death sentence should be pretty common.
ismokeforfun2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you anti death penalty if you're just going to concede your stance when it involves a rapist. I'm completely pro death penalty. Keeping the despicables alive probably costs more innocent lives than banning the death penalty.
oldneckbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:47 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not any rapist. A child rapist.
In general, I'm against the death penalty. We already know it costs more to execute than it does to incarcerate for a lifetime. And a lifetime of jail is significantly more punishing than death. Given the number of exonerated individuals that were on death row, I don't generally trust our system to fairly decide who dies and who doesn't.
But like all things, it's not black and white and more shades of gray. There are some exceptions I think are worth it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This woman deserves a medal.
Nole_in_ATX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor girl. It's gonna take a whole lot of therapy to right that ship and keep her off the stripper pole when she gets older. โน๏ธ
reddit_reaper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck rapist in general but i believe that all child rapists should be slowly tortured to death. To cause as much pain as possible while still prolonging their life. It's what they deserve
podestaspassword ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im glad this guy got stabbed. I think we should do a little more judging of women who bring child molesters into their home to live with their kids though. It seems to happen a lot. You have to be a little more discerning about what kind of people you let move in with you when you have kids.
This happens all the time in the white trash community. Single mom hooks up with one abusive guy after the other, the kids suffer, and society feels bad for the poor woman when in reality it is just as much her fault.
If you're bringing someone into your home to live with your children, you have to be a better judge of character than this. I know this will be downvoted severely for this but I don't care because it is the truth.
nunzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of blaming the mom, why not blame the asshole for being a fucking predator? Your belief that this happens only in white trash communities is terrible. This shit happens EVERYWHERE in every socioeconomic strata. Consider yourself privileged that you haven't had to find out exactly how sneaky these predators are...how they con everyone.
podestaspassword ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am blaming both. I didn't say it doesn't happen everywhere, but it's a lot more common amongst the white trash because white trash women can't resist the drunken drug addict abusive men
DevilDance1968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens a lot because these sex fiends are arch manipulators. They know the vulnerabilities of their victims and how best to exploit them. The tragedy is that as the cycle of abuse is never broken. Children who are exposed to this and other forms of abuse more likely to be abused or become abusers themselves.
CrazyRatLady93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should say "Man gets stabbed by his girlfriend after attempting to rape her 12 year old daughter."
TheKandyCinema ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we make sure she gets 0 years in prison?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many people praise the woman, as do I. But when comments are made towards chemical castration of child molesters everyone geeks and screams about being against their rights..... But killing is okay.
Zevvion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking torture is justice is a mentality that has led to all the shit in the world.
The fact everyone wants to ignore is that nothing repairs the damage. Vengeance through torture is trying to mend your own damage. It does nothing for the victim.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chemical castration isn't torture. Castration isn't even torture, it's a punishment. Both are means to prevent further molestation and to discourage other child molesters.
kittentears11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I hope it fucking hurt like hell.
jdepps113 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No charges should be brought on her, but if charged she should be acquitted.
EDIT: assuming the evidence lines up to support this story.
emma_troika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the doctors at Metro Health amputate all his limbs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I an unethical person if I find her reaction appropriate?
INITMalcanis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because depending on the size of the knife, her daughter could easily have been hurt.
Ryusirton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it says pocket knife in the article. It also says both mother and daughter got lacerations in the struggle
evenios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ugh why do women date such complete scumbags? chances are there were major red flags in the first place with that guy my guess is she should never have let him in her home. but i hope she doesnt get charged too harshly considering :-( or at all really. :-(
Bman409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.. why was there a man in their house at "bedtime"?
People have no sense of decency
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are directing your disapproval at the wrong target.
Turd_King ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the kid won't be traumatised by having a naked man repeatedly stabbed on top of her.
vegasmike949 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was violence on both sides.
I_Nut_In_Butts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess. She is going to get thrown in prison for life
o0cynix0o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
Circlejerksheep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't see how a 12 year old can turn on a grown adult, that's not being perverted, that's being sick in the head.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask Mary Kay Leturnaeu(sp?)
Busch0404 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I want to know is when the parade is for this heroic woman.
CommanderArcher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, id say that we should wait for the trial before passing judgement, and i still think the trail may bring out more information and the truth.
but
probably guilty.
(sauce) http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think there might be an innocent explanation for him being naked on top of a little girl?
CommanderArcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in this case no
Bay1Bri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roller coaster of a title. I was disapproving for most of it, then suddenly I was rooting for the stabber. This news story brought to you by M Night Shaymalan.
FXOjafar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a reasonable reaction to the situation.
Greetings_Stranger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give her the key to the city!
akiomaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're goddamn right she stabbed him.
DZimberg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally condone violence, but this one is justified.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:55:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how everyone here has already decided he's guilty because they read it on Reddit. Bitches be crazy. Don't jump to conclusions.
e: Great rebuttals as usual Reddit lmao
buttwhatifxxx ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:01:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so what is your take on the story ? "Woman attacks boyfriend for no reason " "child makes up a lie to get mom's bf in deep trouble " "boyfriend attacks mom's knife to save mom's daughter "
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:11:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman is crazy. Woman tells daughter what to say to police. Man throws woman against wall because she's stabbing him in the fucking chest.
Thanks for the typical circlejerk reply though. People just can't be civil when they have anonymity I suppose.
e: downvotes for replying with my opinion, I assume. Keep up the good work.
e2: Wait a second... I sure hope you people don't actually think the things I listed aren't realistic possibilities. That would just be naive.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:06:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women stab their boyfriends because...
They cheated
They thought they were cheating
They dreamed they were cheating
They wanted to leave them
They wanted attention
They are psychopaths
People also have used the rape claim in attempted murder cases repeatedly, including claiming rape of their children, even when it turned out later they had lied.
It's levels of stupid to claim "why would she lie?"
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EzekielCabal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just ignore the whole paragraph underneath that bit? Not everyone who is poor is poor because of their own actions. Not everyone who is rich got that money themselves. The most vulnerable in society must have their inherent human rights protected.
Why should they have to? You're not better than them. Why shouldn't women be allowed to choose whether or not to marry, whether or not to have a career, choose who to vote for? Your attitude to women is absolutely disgusting. You're proposing that women be stripped of their rights because you don't feel they deserve them. Yet you try to deny that you feel that they are inferior.
If you don't think they're inferior, why do you want their rights stripped away? Your views are contradictory. If you just think they're inferior, grow a spine and admit it. If you truly don't think they're inferior, have a good long think about why you think they should have their rights stripped away and be entirely dependent on men. Ask yourself why you would possibly think that if you truly believe they're equal members of the human race.
I'm sorry but you may be one of the most hateful people I've ever spoken to.
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I voted right wing in the first election I could vote in, and I voted left wing in the second. I vote for the party I feel will be better for the country, I'm not blindly tied to one political side.
No but you are effectively saying that women should be reliant on men for their rights to actually be considered - if women have no vote, they have no political voice. If they have no political voice, they cannot champion their rights. They become totally reliant on men to do that.
I believe in taxation and I believe in a welfare system. I think it can be improved from its current state, but I believe that it's necessary. I say that as someone very likely to fall into a high paying tax bracket. To say that this necessarily goes hand in hand with a 'nanny state' is a fatuous argument.
The world is more nuanced than you think it is. I believe in meritocratic immigration. I also believe that refugees from war torn countries damaged by western policies should be taken in by other countries. I believe those that do enter should absolutely be held accountable by the rules of the country they're in.
You fundamentally want a society in which men are better off, women are worse off, the wealthy are better off, the poor are worse off, the right wing is better off, and the left wing is worse off. Thats what you've been arguing for. You claim to be a wealthy right-wing man. Isn't it interesting that the society you think would be best is one that entirely matches up with your self interests and not the interests of the majority of humanity?
I think you're entirely focused upon your own self-interest, which is fine in your personal life, but is an absolutely contemptible world view to hold.
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No worries! Glad you agree. Have a great weekend!
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Yeah, I wish people wouldn't insult the IQs of anyone who disagrees with them. It drives me crazy. Although, I do see the same thing from conservatives. You're doing it right now by calling liberals dumb shits.
You do sound very racist by the way. Calling black people pets and assuming their IQs the way you are. You seem to be doing the exact same thing people are doing to you, just with a racial component. It's a bit too complicated to get into here, but you should know that IQ is not a simple thing to measure or even define, but when we remove variables likes access to education and proper nutrition, black people and hispanics perform the same as other ethnicities in IQ tests. Just an FYI. We should all be hating on each other less.
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Bloodysneeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could this been seen as interfering for the protection of the daughter? I know you can shoot people in many states to protect a third party.
blockpro156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that some sort of "defense of other" laws exist in every state, and it shouldn't be hard to argue that attacking a rapist in the middle of the act counts as defense of other.
Ice_Cream_Hero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic intuition incoming.
I think it'd be impossible to convince a jury that her actions were anything below perfectly reasonable.
If he was clearly subdued on the ground and she kept stabbing him she could probably get off with some sort of temporary insanity.
If he was subdued and she tied him up and turned his head to mush with a hammer then she might be in trouble.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he voted for Trump.
Aguywhoknowsstuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm sure he'll get more stabbings in lockup.
Loke1997 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe how openly vicious and violent reddit gets over paedophiles and child molestation. It's a horrible crime, yes; probably the worst, and should be dealt with severely. But the amount of people who seem to be calling for the stabbing, murder and torture of a fellow human being, no matter how sick they are, is just as disturbing.
originalrhetoric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are caught raping a child, your life is forfeit up until the point your are in official custody if you survive that long.
Dithyrab ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a high horse you're riding there. You can't fix a rabid animal, it's got to be put down for the safety of everyone else.
hfhuekznxuejznw ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mentally fucked human isn't a rabid animal you retard
Dithyrab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if they're molesting children they are, you have a good day defending child molesters though good citizen.
hfhuekznxuejznw ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:48:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL calling child molestors mentally fucked is defending them. I'm saying we shouldn't put them down like fucking rabid animals because humans as a species (atleast in modern western culture) have evolved past treating others like rabid animals. Stop being a degenerate regressive if you want avtual change to happen in the world.
miqotes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They kind of could be considered that if you account for the fact we are animals.
hfhuekznxuejznw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because humans clearly have intelligence comparable to that of an animal. I'm not talking about the biological sense of the word, where we are technically animals, I'm saying that humans are intellectually and "morally" superior to other animals, so we shouldn't treat other human beings like they don't deserve a life. Maybe I'm a terrible human being for believing that we should actually try and help super mentally fucked people and give them a chance to reintegrate themselves into society instead of putting them down like an animal in such a brutal way like stabbing them to death, but that's just my opinion.
CavaticanWeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about if a woman did this to a 12 year old boy, and how different the response would be.
XhotwheelsloverX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:24:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd get a lot more people waiting for evidence instead of automatically assuming the attacker's story is 100% true.
EpicDerp37272 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the response would be different, because stabbing a child is different from stabbing an adult. If a 12 year old boy was raping a girl, yes it would be incredibly fucked up and he would deserve punishment, but the situation would be different.
XhotwheelsloverX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He meant a woman raping a boy.
zak_on_reddit ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, if a father walked in on his 12 year old boy with a naked women on top of him the father would be sayin' "high five".
MintyTruffle ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I get the feeling she will go to jail for attempted murder? The law never seems to work in favor of those defending themselves. The narrative is always "call the police" but sometimes that is not fast enough. I hope justice gets served here.
angry_scissoring ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:21:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She MAY be charged but I'm betting she won't see jail time. No jury will send her to jail. She was protecting her child - there has to be some kind of legal protection for that.
MintyTruffle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Momma Bear Clause
humicroav ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the police/da wouldn't want that kind of negative publicity.
Anarchistnation ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loss of civil rights and murder are fine (and even rape against rapists; lol what logic) so long as they've commited a heinous act in society's opinion and they agree that "well it's only these people losing their rights they lost commiting a crime and totally doesn't set up for a dangerous precedent." Things like this becoming more normalized by our barbaric society does indeed set a precedent that denial of the writ of habeus corpus is fine so long as it pertains to criteria which is arbitrarily and unilaterally agreed upon without any vote or feedback of any kind. Yes it may only be child rapists, muderers, and other violent criminals whom receive vigilante justice; but how long before that criteria expands to minority groups given the current administration and America's insatiable appetite for authoritarianism and corporal punishment? It's not very far to the bottom before they come for you, and who will be left to speak for you?
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man was actively raping her child. Should she have just stood back and let him get on with it?
Voydspektre ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:12:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/iamverysmart
PUSH_ME_UR_COMMITS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That title was an emotional roller coaster.
BRKTPZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible! Disgusting! He deserves more than that. Put him in jail and watch him get raped by adults.
His_Self ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The saddest part of the article is the man survived. This is probably not the first child he has forced himself on and likely she will not be the last.
Deadpool1205 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see this response from the mother, I cover news for a small radio station and was in a trial last year about a guy who was caught eating out a young mentally handicapped girl by the mothers sister and her boyfriend. The mother wouldn't believe the sister and boyfriend and from minute one was trying to talk the girl out of what happened. The police officer that drove them to the medical examiner said the mom insisted her daughter use the restroom before they get there, and was constantly talking about how her sister and friend were drunk idiots trying to take their trailer when the cops arrested her boyfriend...
She even testified against the prosecution where it came up that she was molested her entire childhood with parents that didn't care and allowed it to continue... Such a sad story, but luckily the jury sent him to jail for I think 15 to life...
nofate301 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like self-defense to me.
Not guilty.
ThatBitterJerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My though process as I was reading the headline:
"Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked ..."
Come on, lady, you gotta have more self control than that, why go to prison over a cheating boyfriend?
"...on top of 12-year-old daughter, reports say"
WTF?! I hope she then pulled him off and tortured the scumbag for hours before finally killing him!
HunterTAMUC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No sympathy for him. Fuck this guy.
Reality_Facade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone molested my kid I would lose control and or be guilty of murder.
R_radical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"wow what a bitch"....ohhhhhhhhhh.
livingdead191 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have cut his fucking head off.
j_mann7575 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how awful this sounds, this is sadly tame compared to the other things that happen here. Source: Am a Clevelander
theasteroidrose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she stabbed him in the balls.
ManicGypsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It said she stabbed him in the chest and in the back of the head.... my aim would have been lower. He would not have been able to rape anyone ever again.
the13thdoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any major research into the reason why adults molest children?
_centaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its often adults who were molested themselves as children. It's a fucked up cycle.
EdgyAsFuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he was castrated tbh.
SodaPopLagSki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought she had stabbed him immediately as she saw it without letting him explain himself, but after reading th rest of the report; i'm glad she stabbed him.
MikeNew513 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the asshole got what he deserved.
fyndor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend,"
Replace "real world" with "prison" and that will be him in a few months.
comegetinthevan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way to go mom. To bad you didnt stab him more.
Now hoepfully he goes to prison, where they find out what he is in for and he gets the wrong end of a shank.
MustardTigerPOW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, fair enough. I'd probably do the same if it was my daughter.
WisperingPenis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, these things happen....
Darkfeign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part that blows my mind is neither of them have been charged? A man has been stabbed multiple times and an underage girl has likely been sexually assaulted. Where are the arrests?
Stevarooni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say that's a justifiable stabbing.
thatserver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it was a big pocket knife.
xipha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Job well done, mission accomplished.
L0uZilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero wrong with the way the mother reacted i hope she faces no legal action against her. F her better be Ex boyfriend right to hell
trudel69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why i'm glad i don't have monopoly over morality. How do you even judge a case like this?
Reddit-JustSkimmedIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We find her not guilty, your honor. Next case. Jury nullification at its finest.
trudel69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did deserve punishment, no doubt there, but... stabbing ? I would have gone arab on his ass, and whipped him 'till kingdom comes.
ASeriousCasual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Shame he lived though.
Needle8Pins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I was like abuse! Then I was like.... abuse!
kiijoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfectly reasonable response.
bochilee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily the guy is alive... To experience prison as a child rapist....
Astewa18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First half of the title I was thinking "WTF is wrong with this chick". Second half of title "good for her! Fuck that guy."
freedomstartswithw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him the first two times as warning stabs. Also, her eyes were closed.
But really, she should have did one quick stab- across his neck.
Wyld_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude should be dead. Not walking around with a half dozen superficial stab wounds.
Uchigatan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats so fucked up. Rot in hell you waste of oxygen.
golfpinotnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, fam. The cons will finish what the mom started when they send this guy to prison. They don't like child molesters inside.
Nanteen666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have gotten a bigger knife
iragretevrythng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the average day in Cleveland
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this lady gets charged, I'll be upset. I'd probaby do the same thing as her in her situation
CounterfeitMemes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There hasn't been a trial yet.
Monochrome21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that title was a rollercoaster of emotion.
Sardorim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't blame her for trying to kill a Pedo and saving her innocent daughter.
wylee_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they should let her finish the job
robdelterror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shame he didn't die really. No time for predators taking children's innocence.
molotok_c_518 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could email this woman my machete.
pacoeltaco1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn I can't wait to see the verdict on this one.
TheEntropicMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait this guys still ALIVE? That's some remarkable self control from the mother there. Pretty sure most people wouldn't have stopped stabbing for quite a while.
bathtubjoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone needs to show him what it's like in the real world of prison when you are someone's bitch.
BoldBrass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Due process should hurry up and fast track this guy to death row. That poor girl will have to live with this for the rest of her life while this miserable piece of shit mopes around in jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appropriate course of action.
AfriQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Sounds about right
madguins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah, honestly few instances where I'm totally okay with that type of response. There are too many instances where parents do jack shit about these things and ignore it.
caldera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's a shame money will be spent in legal fees and dealing with this corpse. in reality all that money could be spent celebrating the efforts of this woman and her child for harrowing this experience.
CCams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland woman stabs boyfriend "oh god another crazy person stabbing people gain"(finish reading title).........good. Stab that monster.
The_Mister_SIX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cannot wait for this woman to walk away Scott free. That poor girl though
QuantumInteger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never thought I'd agree with the use of violence but humanity has managed to proved me wrong.
phoenixross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He ran into her knife. He ran into her knife 12 times.
herrwalter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would still be stabbing
RegisterFlexOffender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck this happened right next to my house. It happened on W. 58th and I live off of 62nd.
paralyyzed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name slightly checks out
trick_room ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live near 65th. The whole neighborhood was talking about this
thomoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry she failed to kill him. Now he will live to rape more kids
WiseguyD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reads the first part
"Wow, that's awful!"
reads the second part
"STAB HIM MORE!"
Sansabarnaby94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he survived ?
Challenge_The_DM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her.
Self defense of a loved one.
FuckStab that guy.SuperSonicRitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother was a druggie and often left my mother by herself around that age with strange men. Heard many stories from my mother and something like this happened to her. She was being carried around her arms and chest into a room. She stopped him by putting her feet against the wall frame around the door opening and locked her legs. Luckily my grandma came back and saw. Apparently she grabbed a screwdriver close by and stabbed him repeatedly, grabbed my mom and left Pasadena for good. Unfortunately my grandmother didn't clean up her act until her third daughter was born. My mother was her first daughter. So about 20 years.
pwolf1771 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus what the fuck is wrong is this guy?
r3dd0t23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'd be dead if that was my kid.
robotictiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him"
Disgusting how he would think that way.
crovian111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: It wasn't his daughter and he was only 14.
th_veteran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, this happened Wednesday. I'm curious: has she finished stabbing him yet? Did the police make her stop?
dead_surveillance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your doing great sweetie
juneburger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
looks at title Sounds about right to me.
cold_toast_n_butter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are the mother and daughters stories different. They seem to line up pretty well to me
drunkmaster2014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
living the American dream,,,,..oh wait
ArceusBlitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That man is absolute filth and deserves to rot
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is the woman going to get in trouble for stabbing him? Or was she justified because she's was defending her daughter?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on guys, I just ate breakfast...
jefinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police report should say man found to have fallen repeatedly on knife, no foul play suspected
Dehalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds appropriate
rafaninjaturtle17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy deserves this
WYUYBDAAHNFIAGT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raping daughter? Yep, that's a stabbin'.
TheFragileSpiral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus lady what the fuck is wrong with oh ok.
iLoveUrSmile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who wrote that article, the report says.
ominousgraycat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, "She had feelings for me!" That's what every man caught naked on top of a teen or pre-teen says.
tinyteaspoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How has the man not been charged yet...
i-heart-trees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since he's hospitalized the cops are probably just waiting for him to stabilize while they perform their investigation.
CosmonaughtyIsRoboty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man Cleveland keeps getting a stab at the front page the past 24 hours
stray100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel really bad for that little girl. Her mom's boyfriend, basically a guy trying to become her step dad, sexually assaulted her which leads to her mom and this guy literally stabbing each other while she sits there in the room and is forced to watch. This guy certainly deserved it, but the fact that it was done as the incident occurred could have only compounded the trauma involved. I hope she can get better after something like this.
Edit: words
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we have proof that he did this?
i-heart-trees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you bothered to read the article you'd see he was completely naked when the police arrived and the daughter also said he raped her. Also his statements to police were evasive at best.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At work. Take a chill pill, I wanted to know what evidence they had
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we have proof she did this? If you're going to take the article's word for her stabbing him, you should also take its word filing him raping the child.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that was loaded. It was a simple question. Btw your argument is stupid because you can see stab wounds where as you can't see that a person was raped without DNA evidence or tearing
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The question is as relevant as yours.
It perfectly illustrates the ridiculousness of only questioning him raping for supposed justice.
Sure, he had stab wounds, but you don't know who did it. Why isn't this questioned along with the rape?
Oh, and you're vehemently ignoring that, even if he hadn't gotten his dick in when he was discovered, it was still sexual assault.
Adding to this, tearing can happen trough rough, consensual sex too.
So I guess unless we have a rape tape, we can never ever convict a rapist according to you?
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm. I'm assuming she didn't deny stabbing him, and she said she did it because he raped her kid. And the man denies it..
Since she's 12 if there is tearing I'm guessing we can agree that rape occurred in this instance, yes?
Did the police see him on top of the child? If not, they need more evidence than just that. Yea he looks guilty as hell, but I just want to be certain is all.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, we can't assume that. And what if there's no tearing. Are you claiming then that there was no rape?
Anyway, you're still ignoring that just because the mum said she did stab him, it could still be the kid. Mothers will protect their children. So you don't know about the stabbing, you're just choosing to believe how it happened. Which is what you're berating people for about the rape.
It's hypocritical as fuck, and you know it.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm saying there needs to be evidence besides them just saying there was rape. Such as DNA or tearing, idk all the forensics but you get my point. Them saying it shouldn't be enough. So I wanted to know the tangible evidence they have.
Your argument that maybe the kid did it is ridiculous. It's not relevant to what I asked, entirely unlikely, and you're just trying to make me seem like a rape apologist.
Tone down the emotion.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're actively trying to ignore my point. Why is that?
Why ever, I'm not letting you, so I'm making it again: We don't know any more surely who did the stabbing than if there was a rape, yet you're only concerned about the rape. It's telling.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got your point, it's just ridiculous. And just because you put it in bold doesn't mean it's any more valid, because it's not.
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's factual, no matter how much you don't like it.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what we know. If you think logically, we can assume beyond a reasonable doubt that the woman stabbed the man. However, all we have for proof of the rape is the mother and child said so. I just want evidence that he did it.
Why is that so bad?
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just summed up your hypocrisy so beautifully!
You're happy to assume on one side, but not the other. And you're even lining it up with bullet points. Amazing!
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like talking to a brick wall. I feel sorry for you. Have a good day sir
Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now you're assuming I have a penis. You're a bastion of logic, alright...
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew you were a woman, I just said that to piss you off lol
Consoler215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:24 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you seriously just exist to troll? I mean, come on. There's more to life than being a total cunt.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:05 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's more to life than posting irrelevant comments.
and here you are
Consoler215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:38 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was pretty relevant. As you were being a troll and I just called you out on it. Annoying, perhaps. Inconvenient, maybe. Irrelevant? Nah.
levingert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:41 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she was just being led by her emotions and being a cunt. And now you are, how funny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good.
There's nothing more disgusting than sexually assaulting underage children. It was a pocketknife so that gross, sorry excuse for a man will recover. That girl, however, will sadly not be ok for a very long time.
xskramx2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland woman reportedly stabs boyfriend :0 :0 :0
After finding him naked on top of daughter ...."oh good" :) :) :)
Bing_Bong_the_Archer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is wrong with people (the boyfriend)
KoogLarousse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep telling people that they should always carry a pocket knife with them, cause you never know when you may need it, but poeple think I'm crazy :(
i-heart-trees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck pocket knives, carry a gun.
KoogLarousse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not in europe you don't
Sheepbjumpin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the sentiment, but I can't cut birds out of tangled rubbish with a gun.
SoapSudGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see Cleveland in the news. Oh, something good? "Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs.." yeah seems right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman deserves a medal.
athael01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Potential" rape? No. That's rape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Svataben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the article, then comment.
FalseAndHappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear prison guards tip off the prisoners when a child rapist enters the facility.
Jlx_27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad the dude lived.... now he'll get a free life payed by tax payers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May the judge be kind in any form of punishment that's so awful. Wouldn't had let him live
Zezin96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get a lawyer in here? Is this justifiable defense of others?
kryantastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Castrate this pitiful excuse for a human life. Scum like him don't deserve to live, let alone ever enjoy pleasure again.
Sheepbjumpin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preface: Not here to judge, just curious how people feel about this following question/scenario.
More often than not I only see comments about mutilation like this applied to men who sexually abuse; as someone who had endured being molested as a child by a man who was a complete stranger I understand the rage towards an attacker but wonder why this revenge fantasy isn't as commonly applied to the equally monstrous women who commit this crime.
Never really thought to ask anyone else before but would you also feel the same if it were a woman who had raped a child? Would you want her stitched closed/clit chopped off? Why or why not? Obviously many people think mutilation isn't even a consideration in this scenario and others feel like it's the best, so come one come all.
To anyone who offers to share their views or opinions on this matter thanks in advance; I understand it can be immensely difficult to bring yourself to think about such horrid things so I appreciate whatever you bring to the table. I hope you all have wonderful days.
kryantastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, complete removal of the clitoris, remove all pleasured. With exception to concensual bdsm sex, the second you objectify other people to the point that they strictly exist for your sexual pleasure (especially with children), you give up the right to decide what should be done to you. Castration and female genital mutilation to strip a rapist of either gender of their ability to recieve pleasure from sex is the very least I would hope for.
Sheepbjumpin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, thank you for your response. I really appreciate that you answered this peculiar question.
thatkidvanzant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't stabbed enough Also I hope the mother gets no legal repercussions
IPatEussy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this dude wtf he's sick as fuck if he's not DEAD already then motherfucker should rot in a cell for at least 7 years
MoNg0os3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This headline sounds like it came from a Ice T Law and Order meme.
PECOSbravo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lemonade- read the sign
AdityaDevendra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is BIG. Mother of god, that is Kalyug!
math-yoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah the bucolic Cleveland Stockyards neighborhood.
Phaethonas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted more blood! She should have cut his balls.
knowledgekills12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In other related news: "local women given a medal and a high-five parade."
SiegfriedKircheis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland. Small city with big city crazy. If I get called for jury duty on this, she's getting acquitted.
blockandpixel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some of these headlines.... jesus...
1TrueKingInTheNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He completely deserved it, the report says.
imGnarly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That title was a fucking roller coaster.
MonkeyGun77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her.. Hope the man dies
rachelkagan47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
should have strangled him, would have made it a lot more personal
leejoness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have killed him. And then she should have been rewarded.
TRBRY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserved it but I'll never celebrate violence. Btw I would do the same as the mother no doubt about it.
AJC_8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Window into my mind as I was reading the sentence: 'oh wince' ... 'Whaaat? aright then'.
Seriously? Wtf? What kind of cretin? I know what kind of cretin. The kind that will get what he deserves when in prison: 'Sleep tight - might be your last night'.
Funny how sometimes I can turn a blind eye to violence.
VToff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get a pardon for this one, Donald?
ilikeitsharp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the first sentence of the article as, "Clever woman stabs boyfriend."
TWD_Sucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's not in trouble is she?
Jordanm0611 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he rots in whatever shithole they put him in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said she stabbed him because "her 12 year old daughter had feelings for him." That need to lock that fucker up post-haste
RobbyDigital19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the judge is easy on her poor soul. She did the right thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Here's how I suspect jury selection will go down.)
Juror #1: Please....
Not Guilty
Sir...we haven't even started the jury selection process yet
You heard me. Not Guilty. You could show me a 1080P video of her stabbing old boy and I am still going to vote Not Guilty
Sigh...you're excused
Juror #2...Please
Not.Guilty
fez1o1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a wild string of letters
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Waiting for /u/cecilthesealion to come defend this guy.
taaffe7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justice served?
helpfulkorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland Woman > Florida Woman
Aa5bDriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad she didn't have a better grip on the knife... or a longer blade.
wwwyzzrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What drug does this?
Numella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand she will be in trouble for murder but I support her decision 100%
Edit: I feel bad for the kid I know this puts her in a foster situation if she has no immediate relatives but what the guy is doing, if I ever saw it happening I would do the exact same thing
JimmyTheOtherCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's what ya get for going pedo.
Bleedlikeink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woman stabs bf repeatedly "what a psycho bitch" After finding him on 12 yo daughter... "someone give this lady a public service medal"
moontz91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some fucked up people out there damn.
ShesARlyCoolDancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In only one passing comment in this article to they mention that the weapon was a pocket knife
SatTierce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cue The Cellblock Tango, cause he had it comin
Were_Doomed_arent_we ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
::after reading the first 5 words::
That's awful. How could someone do that.
::after reading the rest of the headline::
Yeah... I guess that makes sense.
FalloutFan2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
" don't stab me brah " ~ manstabbed
drupalDevNewb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think she handled the situation on the most appropriate manner.
Mommyhita1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude should be fucking grateful she was his girlfriend, because if it were me & my daughter, I would have used my dull lil pocket knife to not only take his manhood away from him and toss it down a dark lonely highway, but I would have watched him take his last breath as well!!
DressyVermin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a horrible case of the guy falling down the stairs, nothing to see here. Call waste management to dispose of the body.
ZoAngelic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so shes a witness at his trial. good job woman.
Skyzhigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
question for anyone whose been in jail.
Do people get beat up in jail over this kind of stuff and if so how do others find out about what their crime was?
RimsaltRon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun times in Cleaveland again!
Ishana92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nabokov fan, I presume
alfreeland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong w/ humans?
I'd say ex-boyfriend.
Gaius_Octavius_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do we bring her medal?
I presume a jury would do the right thing and laugh hysterically at any DA who tried to charge her with a crime
Calither ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, it had nothing to do with the fact that you were naked on top of her twelve year old girl.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, when he gets out of the hospital, how long will he spend in jail?
ner_deeznuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They guy is 31, for those who don't feel like clicking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the woman doesn't get jailed for defending her daughter.
sfong002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On one side,
attempted murder is wrong.stabbing someone is wrong On the other, so is rape, and he definitely didn't saveEDIT: changed to stabbing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not dead.
East1st ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we all get a turn at stabbing him?
Monos1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is just ohio shit
ezwip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shane that she didn't have a gun.
CrackaJacka420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow did she kill the guy? Because if not, I would gladly stab him a few more times... slowly....
DigitalMocking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the actual fuck.
fuck today.
TrappaTroopa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that's the reason.
reload_in_3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good. moving on to next story.
22oregon22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing our fucked up legal system I am sure she will be charged with assault and the guy will get off scot-free.
DorisCrockford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a man in my town who killed his girlfriend in retaliation for calling the police when she found out he was molesting her daughters. He had a previous rape conviction, but had never had any psychological evaluation or treatment. At least one of the witnesses had to leave town because of threats by his relatives/friends/fellow psychopaths. Whatever we're doing to create these monsters, can we please stop?
pinespplepizza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guys gonna get real fucked up in jail
gypsy_kitsune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have laid him down naked in the dessert. Arms and legs bound down by wet leather and his cock tied and pulled by wet leather. By the time it dried it would pull him apart if done right
ay26335 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would of too better than the justice system giving him 6 months ๐ to a year for rape then have a drug dealer get 25 years to life for selling drugs. I'd gladly go to prison for life cause I would kill someone over my daughter in a heartbeat
iwhitt567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone should stab anyone, in an ideal world.
That woman was not living in an ideal world at the time.
Krombopulos137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/publicservicehomicide
Disco_Drew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, what was she supposed to do, let him continue? Fuck that. I've got two teenage daughters and the one thing that I know would put in a murderous rage would be discovering someone hurting my wife or kids. I can take a lot of abuse, but I will protect my family. The thought of something like this happening provokes a visceral response from me.
exotics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just have to say "Good for her". My sister works with social services and occasionally has to deal with kids of women who knew the boyfriend was abusing him but rather than not having a boyfriend at all they turned a blind eye to the abuse..
Yup.. some women are so desperate not to be alone that they allow a guy to abuse their kid rather than to have no guy in their life at all.
assassbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
serves him right if this is honestly a pedo trying to groom a innocent young teen.
if this is a broken home situation were the mom allows the daughter to be fast aka all grown up and is aware or unaware of the teen having grown men as boyfriends...then shame on the mom for allowing the fast teen and the pedo for being together alone.
i know of a situation like this were the mom had a kid in her teens so by the time the mom hit 32 her wild teen was 15, the mom never grew up always was chasing men...younger men at that. very proud that she could still pull guys that were 21-23 when she was 32...well one of these 23 year old guys seen the opportunity of a wild teen at 15 sitting at home and ultimately the 23 year old guy and 15 year old daughter starting having sex as well.
frivolous_name ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope that girl doesn't end up in foster care.
endercoaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean he fell on a knife 37 times.
reposed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is totally a future SVU episode.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give her the key to the city
likingisaproblem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I used to carry a nice knife as well, but when I'm at home I never keep anything in my pockets.
Milestailsprowe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought this was a BIG over reaction as I was a 12-13 year old boy. But 31 Years Old!!! Let em bleed
Kain0wnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R/Upliftingnews?
Kajkia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says."
What a thoughtful person...
TheSyntaxEra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justice has been served here...
nijukiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What car is this? Looks cool
Chrisofthegreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the WKUK episode with that guy kicking the other guy on the ground and Trevor tries to help out...
King_Rhymer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kid is already fucked though, at least the odds are against her to be normal. Let's imagine, for a minute, that the potential rape didn't scar her, the man who was supposed to be protecting her just got stabbed repeatedly by her mother.
It's a lose lose situation that will snowball into an illness as she ages, especially when she has a kid of her own one day.
CStaplesLewis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This article reads like this:
Come across this on Reddit: "Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, reports say" click
Read article title: "Cleveland woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him naked on top of 12-year-old daughter, reports say"
Read picture caption: "Cleveland police are investigating after a woman stabbed her boyfriend 6 times after seeing him naked on top of her 12-year-old child, police reports say. (File photo)"
Read first paragraph: "CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Cleveland woman repeatedly stabbed her boyfriend in a fit of rage after finding him naked on top of her daughter, according to police records."
Close article Screw this. There isnt any news here.
creeldeel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would of killed him!
darwin2500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you're going to stab someone repeatedly, that's a pretty good reason.
mostmicrobe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's neccessary that these problems be talked about commonly and in schools, it's more prevalent than what is usually thought sadly.
jon_naz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bummer that the woman didn't have a bigger knife on her.
NPVT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds reasonable from the head line.
brya2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't fucking blame her.
Outcast_LG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hurting people is bad in general but given the circumstances I can understand why she stabbed the monster. Can't believe he was messing with her child.
doihavemakeanewword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
FilthyKev6968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing amazing sweetheart
rz1992 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunate that he lived. Hopefully some one in prison will finish taking out the trash.
monkeywork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The word "her" should have been put it either before the word "boyfriend" or before "12-year-old" ... my apparently not jaded enough brain thought it was the 12 yr old and her boyfriend and the mom went nuts on some little kid.
SpicyBeardedWarlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still stabbed a man though. If he lives he will be charged also.
tcoop6231 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That...seems like an entirely appropriate response.
789521456852 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some things are worth going to jail for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's what happens when you do fucked up shit.
chumin0305 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, what is wrong with people? It seems this is all you hear about anymore. Is it drugs, lack of morals, being mental or what? The sensible part of me says report him and let him get arrested and convicted and spend time in prison while getting what he deserves, while the father in me says blow his brains all over the wall and stop him from doing it to another child. My heart aches for these kids, being abused by the people that should be protecting them.
Sentry459 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just googled it, and apparently crimes like this are happening less often in recent decades. I think we hear about them more because of the increase news coverage.
Definitely. No-one in their right mind would do that to anyone, let alone a child.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ftrees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reports say?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should be on r/upliftingnews
ChooseWisely72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good job lady! Stopped just short of killing him like you should have! You avoid a murder charge and that sick fuck gets stitches and jail time. /r/JusticeServed
Booney3721 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good!!! That is absolutely disgusting what he did.
scott42486 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he gets stabbed by her... and then in prison. You know, after he also gets "repeatedly stabbed"
Varatec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he deserved that. Godforsaken pedophile.
PapaLRodz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a problem with that?
xSpeedyMonkeyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all this article provides, this is all he said-she said. Any follow up that anyones found?
stevedubzok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that must have been incredibly traumatizing for the child... :(
Leitirmgurl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/Flick_My_Bean_Geoff
Please tell me now the 12 year old could have avoided this by taking responsibility for her own safety?
Flick_My_Bean_Geoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's this got to do with the case hook was commenting on?
Leitirmgurl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything my dear boy, according to you she should not have been in a bedroom alone with a man.
Now come on and don't be shy, leave one of your vicitm blaming/slut shaming comments.
Flick_My_Bean_Geoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did I say that?
Looney1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When can we finally to decide to castrate/give the death penalty to all child rapists? If I was her I would have stabbed him till he stopped breathing
Ideaslug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make it 23 stabs tonight.
Max_Ram_CPU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what's going to happen to him in jail?
dametupata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHat a fucking horrifying title.
darealfuccboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT a bunch of autistic idiots joking about child molestation. Only on reddit.
OMGMajorRager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Absolutely that is the exact way to handle that. Props to the mom for not trying to cover it up/saying it was an accident. Fuck that guy
capergrant692 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good she shoulda fuckin killed em low life piece of shit !! I hope he has to shit in a bag the rest of his pathetic life...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My SO just told me about how her current stepfather would do this to her and her sisters when they were much younger. He went to court and her mother protected that piece of shit. And because the girls were scared of losing their mother, they testified that he didn't actually do anything to them so he got off Scott free. Is there anything that can be done about this? She still has to see that man on a daily basis ever since it happened. It sickens me knowing that molester isn't behind bars and is still around those girls.
MomsBasementIsWarm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why we need a real life Dexter.
tymink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fun times in Cleveland todaaay, Cleeevelaaand"... "Come and see both of our buildings" ..." It's the perfect place if your a douchebag".... "Who the fuck still uses a pay phone"....
Lol I loved that song. Too bad a messed up story made me think of it..
TIRedemptionIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question is, would it be worse to rot in prison for the rest of his life or take the easy way out in death?
IKilledYourBabyToday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's a hero. She better not face any punishment for this. That fucking scumbag deserves to be hanged.
NicoBotRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible that the woman will be charged with someone. That would suck
A_fellow-redditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what does the report say?
EnjoyBrainDmgNFLFuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep on stabbin' lady.
amota002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why this is news.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't she also cut it off? That'd put an end to that.
faster_than_sound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude deserves far more than that.
AngryFanboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give these women medals and therapy. Send the filth to vet to be 'fixed'.
ThingTThing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so pending the forensics I'm going to hold off on judgement, because if you just stabbed someone repeatedly and had a 12 year old daughter claiming he was raping her would be a good way to get away with it. Though if he did do it they should be able to prove it easily.
PolyMatt98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this dude goes to jail and she walks away a hero
ceegers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if the dad-sex wasn't enough to scar you for life, she gets someone being stabbed on top of her too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't stab him enough if he's still breathing..
Lord0Trade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While she was justified in what she did, I'm glad he is alive to face down the justice system. Killing him would have solved nothing and probably would have made her liable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say justified given the title of this post.
BeastModular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Punishment fits the crime. Too bad it was only a pocket knife
pogue23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should get this lady together with the dad that beat the guy to death when he caught that dude molesting his daughter. That would make for an interesting conversation.
winstonsmith7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She and I must have different pocket knives.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least we're not Detroit!
...We're not Detroit!
Sean_619 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha hell yeah that's what's up!
AlostDinosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland on the front page of Reddit once again. This isnt nearly as big of story locally as you would think it is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful, just beautiful.
PatrickSlayZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. I woulda done the same thing. With a machete.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish she would have killed his ass, the bastard.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on down to Cleveland town everyone ๐ถ
Islander1992 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justifiable homicide?
rituallystoned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck. If it truly played out the way the report says in the article, this piece of shit needs to go away for a long time.
saywhattt840 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He got what he deserved...
Doublestack00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her, fuck that guy.
Chxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of excessive, should only take one or two slices to Theon the mother fucker.
GuerrillaTactX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus 5 times? All you need is one cut... to remove his junk.
Dead30N89W ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And mother of the year award goes too......
Funbia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...so what's the problem?
Filmmagician ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
H dear lord that title just got worse and worse. Wonder what the charges are.
Rust_Dinkleberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Went from 0 to 100 on this real fast. "Why would you stab-- nevermind, kill that motherfucker."
nairblizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As she should have. Waste of resources and space should have died
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternate title "Hero woman makes world a better place"
You hurt kids, you have no place on this earth and should be killed. That's this broadcasters policy
GhostOfHarammbe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know how tinder has super likes? Well Reddit needs a super upvote because I can't upvote this enough!
HaroldCStovall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's fortunate the mother utilized a folding knife rather than a kitchen cut. Generally with five cuts to the chest and one to the head, it's impossible his youngster assaulting ass would in any case be relaxing.
Goongagalunga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds lovely. I guarantee that you know someone who has been raped.
MissTuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5 times doesn't feel nearly enough
gerryhallcomedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should be held accountable for her actions and given the medal she deserves.
system3601 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is totally self defense in terms of defending the daughter. I wish the Mom to not spend a day in Jail.
Mortimer452 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I say she exhibited extraordinary restraint in only stabbing him six times.
PM_ME_LENNYFACES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I swear I just slipped"
minneapolisblows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-teen-beaten-molesting-man-son-25-years-article-1.2172281
The dad, who is unidentified to protect the identity of his son, called 911 and said, "He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you."
When the father was asked if there were any weapons at the scene, he responded "my foot and my fist," the newspaper reported.
Yup I hope this parent as well isn't charged with any crime.
I love it when parents do the right thing.
thraashman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, the dad really beat the shit out of that molester. That's some cartoon looking shit what happened to his face
minneapolisblows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What hurts is when this started the molester was 15 years old and probably was molested by an older adult just previous to this.
I don't blame the father at all for what he did, but man oh man. If this molester was a 60 year old white dude he would have lawyered up and not confessed.
I wish there was a better way of dealing with child sexual abuse.
machambo7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im confused, how do you have a potential rape of a child and not arrest the rapist?
HermitPrime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge someone without completing an investigation.
machambo7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article states they have the childs and mother's testimony saying the man sexually assaulted her. Unless there's more to the story this article leaves out, it would seem that would be evidence enough for a charge.
Veroonzebeach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure there were noooooooo red flags before the incident...
ListenToTheStooges ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she repeatedly stabbed him in the dick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fairs fair, This is a line that doesn't need to be blurred.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an epidemic of childhood molestation in this country https://1in6.org/
lunamypet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now if she could be extradited to Texas they would probably allow her free
El7as_Tize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good, good for her. Fuck that pedophile
shamisen-says-meow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is of course all terrible, but I feel the worst for that kid. She survived getting raped and then witnesses her mom stabbing the same dude?!
She's going to need some serious counselling. Poor thing, I hope she can lead a relatively normal life after this.
Poopystink16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bunk beds not included
deweese3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would wait till a conviction for any guilt verdict, any report can be slanted. If true, through the book at him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me ill how pedophiles exploit single mothers.
I would murder the man who touches my daughter, no question, no second thoughts. Cuff me
LilooWoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophiles don't deserve death. They deserve to be chemically castrated. Once they are castrated we can make use of these pedophiles by employing them in non-desirable shit jobs like iPhone factories and sewer maintenance or display them in pedophile zoos where we can spit at them and make them run in labyrinths for their food and electrocute them when they make a wrong turn.
We could even hook them up to virtual machines where they live out the rest of their lives virtually in a hallucinogenic world of torture until they die.
I'm pretty fucked up. I grew up thinking all men were pedophiles until I went to therapy and realized there were men out there who genuinely didn't find under aged girls sexually appealing. Blaming this outlook on my uncle who assaulted me when I was 14 and the two other men who assaulted me when I was 9.
Goongagalunga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh--damn! Sounds close enough. Same impact. Sorry and great job growing from it!
go_ask_your_father ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 6 times?
BG1234567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only read the headline. Seems like a reasonable reaction. I think I would have done the same.
AuburnJunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justifiable. Homicide.
nTzT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Where's your parents, what do they do?"
PeaceInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This story only gets more ficked up as you read it.
KossuthInBezantur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone could make a Time to Kill sequel based on this.
Tesagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. I would have stabbed him too.
andregabriotti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that all the report says?
bulldog75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he tried to rape that girl, he deserves a life sentence where he will be in her shoes.
Bman409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they probably wouldn't fit
bulldog75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's even better.
Homesick345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... justice porn?
theb1g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only wish she had something bigger than a pocket knife.
zondaracing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It saddens me to think he is still alive
SmagelBagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump should deport his ass
Heliocentrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you suggesting he's an illegal?
SmagelBagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if he is or isn't. But should be deported anyway
Heliocentrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck it, just chop of his head
gigigina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did the article really need "the report says" 9 times?
ShiroTheCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, thought this was r/morbidreality
Time to unsub
SirawesomesauceIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're unsubbing from the news because bad news came up?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what a monster... ugh
LateralEntry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this news?
ThatHappyCamper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any way to extend self defense to the mother? It would be legal for the daughter to defend herself right?
Source: know nothing huge about laws
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on their city/county/state laws. There are placed where it is permissible to harm someone else in defense of another, but usually the force needs to be equal. There is always temporary insanity.
ThatHappyCamper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So someone is beating someone repeatedly, you do the same, someone is trying to kill someone, you can kill them in some states?
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until there is no longer a threat.
Hence the term justifiable homicide.
ThatHappyCamper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see!
I'm no keyboard warrior and I won't claim to be a buff dude but this is nice to know.
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All depends on your state though. In California we have a duty to retreat rather than stand our ground. It would only be justified to harm someone if we cannot escape.
Levi_Gaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheering for the Women!! PLZ make it slow and painful!
Nedks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how to feel about this lol so conflicting
BahtFuqr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she's getting a medal is she?
tkdxtc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not guilty of attempted homicide!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why so many have reservations about that nation and culture.
Indoril_Nerevar95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the US?
Gambit2299 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well if the story checks out like the title says it does... Implying rape, obviously.. Then good, let her go.
Edit: "stabbed repeatedly" .. One would assume he's dead but I guess he lived?
Heroic_Sage25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually really hard to stab someone to death contrary to what TV and movies show.
sualp12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am desperately looking for the misleading title tag...
henryharp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me think of the Robocop Remake
piketfencecartel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought this was /r/floridaman for a second.
Pooch76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jessica Biel?
ForscherVerrat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stab him for me sista! Fuck that monster.
gadzoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Neither the woman nor the man have been charged" says the article. I hope that's just a Cleveland thing. Somebody needs to go to jail.
o0cynix0o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
gadzoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! The original article was lacking in that information.
cogitoergopwn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be done very professionally.
Wonderfart11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I guess I cant judge her but it sucks their daughter is going to lose her mom because of what happened.
o0cynix0o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mother wasn't charged. The dude caught rape charges.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_man_stabbed_after_be.html
Eefy_deefy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohio never ceases to amaze me. I've seen so many things here that this seems like just another day
krismonger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"in a fit of rage" is a weird way to put it
drylube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucked up world
imicca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death penalty should be back for this
michaelhannigan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stabbed him because he was naked?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poorly titled article. I was led to believe she stabbed the daughter's boyfriend. Journalists reallllly need to put more effort into their titles (and honestly their articles as well.)
laughherring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland, Florida?
PragmaticParadox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll get it in the can soon
clockworm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What he said to the daughter sounds like something from /r/cringepics.
tygloalex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should get probation.
SeahawkTJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he did it, she should only see the inside of a court room to watch his trial.
splorpheus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That title was an emotional rollercoaster.
Blitztonix777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her, Now she can utilize the trauma she concurred to make massive sums of money ala Anita Sarkeesian!
Blitztonix777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which she could then use to pay for therapy for her daughter
FlickerOfBean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she gets 1 hour of community service for her crime.
rbstewart7263 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hows the law gonna handle this you reckon?
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has been arrested. Hopefully no one fucks up the case and this shitbag doesn't walk on a technicality, provided he is guilty,of course.
rbstewart7263 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant surely the woman wont get arrested yes?
SeahawkTJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She shouldn't. If he actually raped her kid, she should be excused for acting in defense of her child.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rockadial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your sentence is a bit confusing can you elaborate please?
mrB901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hero award goes to...
python_man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we all line up to stab him? People like this deserve castration.
Shiroyuki92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch!
Goldenopal42here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It couldn't of been her. She was with me the whole time.
k1ngsrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's times like these were even my merciful views get fucking destroyed. This dude deserved to get stabbed
avalonian422 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Innocent on grounds of temporary insanity. Case closed.
stilllearning23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kudos now this is news worth hearing about. I hope he was in pure unadulterated pain and agony. When he goes to jail the real fun will begin. They hate child abusers and rapists. He's both. Watch the soap you disgusting child rapist! Big Ben and others will make an example out of you. I am just so tired of these predators harming children. When is enough of this! Too much.....just too much..this poor girl but thankfully she had a mom who said not my baby! I would love to when they have some time to heal hear this mothers story to encourage ppl to protect their children.
thebabbster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: the boyfriend is mom's 14 year old algebra student. Kidding, kidding. Guts a piece of shit and he deserves every bit of this.
Lizards_are_cool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guts? from berserk?
thebabbster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:52 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dumb spell check strikes again! I meant "guy's".
edwartica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope there's enough evidence to put this bastard away for a long time.
merinis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
considering he's has prior felonies, he's probably going away for quite a while.
also, who dates someone with violent felonies and drug trafficking?
mrjoe90245 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understandable have a nice day
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/y-yRfRwJ7q8
first52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A Cleveland woman repeatedly stabbed her boyfriend in a fit of rage after finding him naked on top of her daughter, according to police records."
I wonder if this is sloppy journalism. Unless the police report specifically says that rage was at the core of the attack it could be that the mother stabbed the boyfriend to defend her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough - pretty normal reaction, I think.
CommonerWolf20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this. In the background after the shot you hear one of the Marshals scream "Gary, Why?"
https://youtu.be/_PUE8fYxjq8
chito_king ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas they had a case where a father found a farm hand( i think) molesting his daughter. He ended up beating the kid to death. He was found not guilty. Hopefully the same happens here.
monstaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow good on her, he deserved that shit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the woman going to go to jail? I hope not.
Yassssmaam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way I would vote to convict her of anything. Good for her.
CandlePrincen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was really concerned it was going to be one of those awful cases where the mother gets charged, but I'm glad they didn't press that. I have no clue why the boyfriend is still breathing free air though...
ruukasuwave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't really blame her
daringlydear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hooray mom for standing up for your daughter! This will go a long way to making her feel worthy of protection and safety.
zenyattatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If i didn't know any better i would've thought it was florida
CraniumSwallower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an awkward little scenario
Eienkei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to see if she had finished the job...!
Sgt-Automaton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is going to convict her.
Edit: spelling
RightSideClyde ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Convince her of what?
Sadsharks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad Nicholas Ray didn't do the same thing.
FlatTuesday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Special hell activated.
bleedgreenandyellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd chip in for a go find me, psychological damage can be long lasting
briandt75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean "go fund me", but your version is pretty rad too.
LordSwitchblade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a subreddit called r/ISNothingWrongHere
Domo1950 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to current parenting.
fischestix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WT actual F Ohio. I subscribe to /r/floridaman so I can pretend my okd home state isn't doing this stuff too I guess.
gandalfsmagicgaydick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me at the start of the title: Girl is a cunt.
Me at the end of the title: Dude is a cunt
suckysuckythailand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard being a browns fan
Camel_Crush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really sad for that daughter. I hope she recovers well and is able to stay strong throughout the future. As for the boyfriend, I hope he learns what 'having a boyfriend' in the prison world is like.
lazer_potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A rollercoaster of a headline that hits me waaaay to close to home. Glad this girl got some immediate justice, there are so many who do not.
We need more stories that show not every assault ends like the Brock Turner trial.
ILikeALTFacts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she cut off his dick since he doesn't know what to do with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Doobie-Keebler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saudi Arabia. Explains everything.
Muscles69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im glad she did that, the report says
PhoenixSSE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH! Well, that is a thing to come home to.
Prestigeboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the title I thought this was going to be from r/nottheonion.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a knife guy, I am glad to know she had a pocketknife on her. Also he got lucky since he is still alive. I don't think he would still be alive if most other people had walked in on that. Hopefully he can "get lucky" in prison multiple times.
Andyrob4511 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, that'll get you stabbed around most parts.
belomis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those words he said. They hit so hard. I was told, "This is what the grown ups do."
The_Meach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like the appropriate response.
LazyOldPervert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hope the woman gets off
sbot_crafter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would someone be turned on by this, you Lazy Old Pervert?!?!
bizikletari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
after finding him raping her daughter. well done.
TheWhoamater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should've stabbed him at least twice as many times, one wound for each year that would be happy for her for a long time. Fuck that guy, with many many many deadly weapons
-_-Harm-Reduction-_- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you really blame her? I would've done the same thing; if there's one thing I can't stand it's child molesters/rapists, you have to be a sick fuck to get off on hurting an innocent person like that.
moesdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone set up a fund to pay for any legal for her?
ready-ignite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people don't have guns.
rockygrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cant read these posts. My night is already ruined.
TheStalk_Freelancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course she shouldn't stab a guy. Of course....
... But maaaybe
loveisdead9582 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for her. He deserved it
josephmgrace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:24 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Honey! My pants stab fell off stab and STAB I tripped! stab"
SG804 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that sounds about right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justice has been served
madonnac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best reason for Jury nullification: Yes she's guilty of assault, but because of Jury Nullification, the jury can say fuck that, and give a not guilty verdict.
Of course, because of this, there will be no charges filed, as the judicial system doesn't want you to know you can do that shit.
Berzuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, it could have been worse.He could have gotten shot or something.Maybe we should count our losses and move on?
Mvsevm_of_Skin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The pair struggled over the knife as they fought. [...] The woman and her daughter suffered lacerations to their hands during the struggle."
Gah. Defensive wounds always skeeve me out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, restoring my faith in humanity. Thanks OP!
Yodlingyoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, your parents are irresponsible and endangering their loved ones with their denial.
ChamberofSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Our justice system is eerily lax on child abusers.
4169726f6e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope the opposite happens sometime too.
purplethoughts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:32 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 6 times? I would absolute murder the sob if that was my daughter. No regrets. Doing the society a favor.
akuma_river ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:25 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. I was hoping the mom stopped it in time but he was in the middle of it.
Why didn't the cops arrest his ass?
Shaide_9124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:51 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That title kept getting worse, even when I thought it couldn't get worse.
jadenPete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:29 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with her response but can we just ask ourselves how this would've gone if a Cleveland man repeatedly stabbed his girlfriend after finding her naked on top of his 12-year-old son? Don't say it doesn't happen because the media NEVER reports female-on-male rapes or rape accusations.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ice_Cream_Hero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why exactly does #4 matter?
Child rape is child rape.
197708156EQUJ5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair question. Too bad I can't iterate the tone of my disgust in words better. I meant for OMFG and WTF to be the same disgust. But I was making the distinction before a pedophile and ...
yeah as I contemplated the difference, I am not sure what I was thinking. Just enraged by this despicable act.
Gonzo_goo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It adds to the fucked upidness
keganunderwood ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:32:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am ashamed of my fellow redditors. Violence against the man won't do anything to help the child. I sometimes feel like I am sick and twisted but you guys take the cake.
ambushaiden ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh yeah, it stops the sexual assault. I call that helping.
Had she not responded with violence, he may have attacked her to keep her quiet or even been fucked up enough to continue with the assault. You can fairly assume that after being caught doing something so vile, he wouldn't have shrugged it off and accepted the coming punishment.
Thrannn ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 15:47:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
isnt it strange how every comment defends her attempted
murder?im not taking any side on that discussion, but its interessting to see how many people are pro-publicexecution as soon as it comes to children. but if its anyone else, for example a 30 years old guy gets raped, nobody cares about it. "because childs need to get protected" but that 30 year old guy dont need any protection?
edit: alright nevermind, you guys are ridiculus. its not about defending him or some shit. its about why people dont care about other crimes which are equally bad, as much as about this. why are there so many other rapes in the world but people are like "oh alright whatever" instead of acting like its something bad?
but if you arent able to read my question without thinking im defending a fucking child rapist, than dont even answer me.
TheManWhoWasNotShort ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:09:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the story is true, then her actions are not attempted murder but fall under self-defense (self-defense extends to the defense of others from imminent harm, not just yourself)
Nothing about her action was illegal
originalrhetoric ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:38:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't a public execution, it was an act of defense.
In the middle of a direct violent action, you forfeit all rights to life and bodily autonomy from your fellow civilians. A person intervening has no ethical duty to gauge minimum effective force.
Therefore, the level of permissible harm to stop the direct assault is not an ethical concern.
Meaning that in this situation, the only measure of the violence is its effectiveness in ensuring the perpetrator is made harmless.
Ending their life is objectively the most effective way to end the assault and make them harmless to the victim. Ethically there is no difference if you blind them, knock them out, or disable them or kill them. So all that matters is effectiveness.
TheMintLeaf ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:59:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't attempted murder, she was defending a child from being RAPED. Jesus christ I can't believe you're actually defending him.
Thrannn ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:18:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck you missed the whole point of my comment...
its not about DEFENDING HIM. fuck him. its about why nobody cares about for example older rape victims?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:38:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be just as likely hurt someone to defend an older or male rape victim, but children are more defenseless, especially against someone in a position of power over them.
Thrannn ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:50:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but isnt a 30 year old male thats getting raped (!) also defenseless in that situation? if a person gets raped, he clearly isnt able to defend himself against somebody in a position of power over him.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but you wouldn't normally view that person as defenseless, and sometimes people have trouble adjusting their views on things. It's like how a lot of people have trouble adjusting to the fact that their hero or role model is subject to the same problems as the rest of us.
Thrannn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why not? he is beeing raped. like wtf thats probably the most defenseless situation in his life. just because he is 30 and a male, its totally okay to read in the news that he got raped, without getting angry? people should get angry about every rape or crime, not just if its a child.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:34:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh fuck off every time a rape is in the news it's because people are angry. we don't talk about it for shits and giggles.
the average adult has a fighting chance to fend off an attacker, children do not which makes these scenarios particularly heinous. change that adult to someone with a physical or intellectual disability and people are just as outraged.
TheMintLeaf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:57:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who brought up older rape victims? I wasn't talking about that. I was saying that the definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another person. This isn't unlawful, it's more than justified.
Thrannn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the point of my comment isnt the murder part but the "nobody cares about other rape victims all over the world" part.
i dont know either its because im not a native english speaker so people dont get my point. or you guys are really as heartless and desensitized as i thought, since you just care about other rape victims.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defending people doesn't mean you didn't attempt to fucking kill someone.
TheMintLeaf ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:59:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Murder doesn't just mean to kill someone, by definition it's the unlawful killing of another person. In this case the person she killed was trying to rape their 12 year old daughter I mean jfc
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still killing somebody, still murder.
TheMintLeaf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:03:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not unlawful if it's in defense of your daughter
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking more about morals then legality. Nobody deserves to die, we shouldn't just attempt to kill people.
TheMintLeaf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:14:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you're saying but I still disagree. When you say "we shouldn't just attempt to kill people" you make it sound like such a causal thing, like if this continues we'll just kill random people all the time. This was defense against someone doing one of the worst acts a person could possibly do. It's more than justified.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see why you're saying also, but I'm still honestly a huge pacifist and I just think about everything in a non-violent way. I have a long fuse.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it does.
jake354k12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:20:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean what she did was not a crime.
_Cattack_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have.. problems?
Dithyrab ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're already fucked up mentally by your 30s, kids can still maybe be redeemed.
Mrka12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant kendrick lyric
No this wasn't murder, but rape can scar people for life especially at a young age. I doubt I would be able to stop myself from something drastic if I walked in on my child being raped.
Thrannn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wasnt the point of my comment at all.
Mrka12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have a much stronger emotional response to children. I browse r/watchpeopledie but avoid most videos with children, because those are the only ones that have any effect on me.
Thrannn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but this shouldnt be the case. a life is a life, doesnt matter if hes 12 or 25, homeless or rich, black or white. its a life thats getting ruined, and we should care about every life the same
Mrka12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:01:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children are defenseless
Thrannn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
every human is defenseless if he is in a situation where he cant fight back. it just needs a knife to make a strong bodybuilder defenseless.
Mrka12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children literally cannot control anything. I'm not saying the same thing doesn't happen to adults but children have no real control over anything. On top of that, stuff like rape is far more likely to seriously affect children than adults.
Thrannn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no sorry, thats fucked up. people are arguing with me that its "okay" to rape adults, or not as bad. i cant accept that this mindset is part of our society.
im sure there are adult rape victims out there who are still suffering with their mental health after years. and we shouldnt just act like "meh its fine. hes old enough to get raped and be okay with it". sure im not stupid i get that childrens need our help and people get angry, but people should also feel the same, or atleast care a littlebit, if an adult gets raped or into whatever kind of crime
Mrka12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm explaining why we react more to children getting raped than adults, not saying that they aren't equally as bad.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because our society is ageist as fuck, and unlike racism or sexism, for instance, nobody gives a SHIT about it and tries to change it.
badmother ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:30:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, if a 12yo girl fucks her 14yo boyfriend, that's ok. Magically, she is not raped, molested, or suffers long term psychiatric problems.
Ghaarial ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:38:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
TheMintLeaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf are you even real?
mousearian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna get stabbed in jail too. And rightly so, guys gonna be a human pin cushion by the time he comes out.
The guilt the mother must be feeling for allowing this monster near her child. Life changing for both mother and daughter.
wyng369 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the word sexual assault why cant they use a tough word on these pedophiles like Molesting, Raping.
johnscarce42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this, a crossover episode?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My SO was raped by a sicko when he was 4. 4 YEARS OLD. If I knew the bastard's name, I would kill him. So fucking disgusting.
Who looks at a kid and thinks "ooo hot"??? Like I don't fucking understand molesters. Kids are so immature and underdeveloped, the last thing I think about is sex when I see them. Fucking nasty. FUCKING HATE RAPISTS. LOWEST FORMS OF HUMANS. COMPLETE HUMAN TRASH.
argv_minus_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't the man deny that he was on top of the girl, and claim he was doing something innocuous instead?
xSpeedyMonkeyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucked if true. Not going to defend, but there is a process to this. Too often are peoples lives ruined due to false accusations. Just wait for facts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know we're all gung ho on this, but wouldn't doing this in front of the kid just fuck her up even more?
XEssentialCryIceIs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, but probably less so then allowing the guy to continue raping her daughter. Personally if my options are between getting raped, and watching my rapist get brutally stabbed in front of me to stop them, I'm going for the later option.
PetuniaProudlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Torn on whether to post this or not...
I'd urge people to avoid jumping to conclusions on this case. I work for the PD that's dealing with it - NOT on this case, I'd like to stress - but it's all anybody is talking about.
The media are reporting the lady's side of the story here, which is markedly different to what the man involved states happened. This is not a 'news' story, with impartial facts of the case. This is one side's statement. The child's statement is also being reported, which I think is very irresponsible of the media, but not unsurprising...sadly. Since it's out there, I'd like to point out that the media are reporting quotes from the child's second statement, which again is wildly different to the first one that she gave, before spending time with her mother and appointed legal representation.
I'd also like to point out the sentence in the article which states that the child also had defensive knife wounds on her hands, which very few people seem to have noticed or picked up on.
Again, I'd urge people to wait for more information before condemning the man involved - although, I know that with the information at hand, that it is currently the only logical thing to do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a struggle for the knife, so the daughter could have been cut during that time.
z3an ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope mommy put one of those stabs in his "thing". Fucking sicko, I hope she gets even more justice in court.
PussyPass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets play the, "guess the racial ethnic background game!"
Arguswest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the ever popular ' live up to that stereotype '
Drezzzire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the few stories where the woman attacking the man feels justified.
You take my kids innocence, you fucking pay.
Did she already have the knife on her or did she see him and go grab the knife.
Legally it could be attempted murder.
Circumstances matter but we do have laws...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they try for the insane defense which to this mother could have very well been the case. It's disgusting to touch a child. I just wish they didn't separate the perverts in prison. Issues would be resolved quick.
DidUBringTheStuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think child rapists deserve death. Death is permanent. Murderers deserve death.
Child rapists deserve to rot, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he was a Saudi millionaire he could have said he just tripped and fell in her.
IM_FUCKING_SHREDDED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me? He wouldn't have even had to provide an explanation.
lyn816153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to buy her a machete.
horsepuncher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She better not face charges, shes a hero.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Aaronindhouse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but we didn't have a clue,
Summerclaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I for some reason read this as "woman repeatedly stabs boyfriend after finding him named on top of 12-year-old daughter's laptop". And I was like what the hell am I reading. The reality was much much worse =(. Fuck that guy.
Mooba-moo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So now the girl has gonne from being raped to witnessing her father being stabbed? One trauma more for her.
At least reddits lust for revenge is stilled...
(i get the reaction, but calling the police would have been better, also for the court-case because now the father has gonne from a rapist to being a "victim")
nunzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nowhere in the article, does it say this was the girl's father. This was the mother's boyfriend.
Mooba-moo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right...
Still bad to see a stabbing.
Mordarroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I'd be charged with manslaughter. Of course with my family noone would find out. Theory would just "go missing"
Goongagalunga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. And I wouldnt call them "people."
liltooclinical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just came to see how many comments say, "She shouldn't be charged with anything."
CasuConsuIto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tells her that this is how it happens with a real boyfriend???
Why the fuck? That's gross and sad
buttwhatifxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nobody would have found a thing if this happened to me ...poof . no body / no blood / no bones . horrible horrible thing to occur
flooblekrank79 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the gofundme for her bail?
Kopyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deserved. Sick bastard...
plaze6288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More people should do this. Jury should find her not guilty
060789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh....
I guess when your football team is the Browns you have to score however you can
This whole story is Cleveland in a nutshell
And on that day, two people found out what it's like to be penetrated without consent
All that aside, good for the mom and fuck that guy, I'm sure someone will give him a taste of his own medicine when he gets to prison
suz_gee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm mostly upvoting that woman's reaction.
mcsestretch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't put me on this jury because there is no way in hell I'd convict her of anything.
Him? I'd sentence him to years of sodomy by cattle prod.
N1ght_L1ght_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then good. Fuckin asshole better be dead.
CorpTshirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is definitely more to this story than is being portrayed.
Brandenburg42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He walked into my knife. He walked into my knife 10 times!
slowmood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me like she locked him out and he broke down the front door trying to get back in and THAT''s when the mom stabbed him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told police that his girlfriend may have attacked him because she thought her 12-year-old daughter had feelings for him, but he would not offer further details about the incident, the report says. "
Castrate this poor excuse for a man.
Delkomatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says.
No...no it is not.
daxaruru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldn't have lived if it were me. No fucking chance.
LaDresdenMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mother of the year award goes to her. I think this was a reasonable reaction
mastertwisted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he was able to give his side to the police, she obviously didn't stab him enough times.
scyth3s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhhhh...
I CAN EXPLAIN
mpstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she should castrated him. at least.
CubbyNINJA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a soon to be father. This in my opinion is a completely appreciate reaction. That being said, after being stabbed in the chest 5 times and once in the back of the head, I'm surprised he can still give his testimony. . .
zoahporre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was just a pocket knife, not like a bowie knife or anything.
northpaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You never know - many pocket knives are capable of killing someone and are not just small Swiss army style knives. She might have just missed any vital areas. Either way is fine - he goes to prison and is in hell there due to how inmates treat pedos or he dies. Honestly he might wish for the latter once he gets to prison.
zoahporre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no doubt friend, no doubt. All I mean is an average pocket knife is simply much smaller than an average household or hunting knife.
If she had a chefs knife even, this would have ended in his death.
MechCADdie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...who do we rattle our pitchforks at? I'm confused.
Davidoff1983 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously what kind of crappy paedophile doesn't hear doors opening.
hankbaumbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the appropriate response to that situation in my opinion.
Gunslinger_11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those, "No jury in the world would convict me." Cases
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lovely that he told her in the real world boyfriends rape girlfriends. I'm sure she will trust men about as much as I trust alligators
phoen61 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should have cut his little dick off.
BenTVNerd21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think enough facts are known at this point to make any judgments.
space1057 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When does she get her medal ???
TheSadisticNerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:53 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am, completely ok with this
9-1-Holyshit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:31 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the handbook calls this maneuver the "Appropriate Response"
Lady_TR0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These mothers are heroes! Stab away....
Xeerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck! it's the second post about pedophiles i see on Reddit today! I cant imagine what kind of shit is in their heads. What drives those people to want sex with kids? Why there are so many of them and even possibility to end their lives in a jail cant stop these morons? Usually i do not blame people for their kinks that i don't understand. I'm a kind person, but i think i would kill pedophile if i catch one,
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually, they have religion in common. The pedos, that is..
drhugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, there's pedophiles and child molesters and the sets don't overlap.
Andromansis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is some overlap, it's like if you drew a Venn diagram of cheese and popcorn, you'd have cheddar popcorn in the middle.
Prestigeboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this analogy, Cheddar popcorn is awesome.
drhugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is a very inappropriate analogy / metaphor or whatever because cheese popcorn is awesome. It's more like a transition that can't be reversed.
Andromansis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like going from a pedophile to a child molester or going from regular popcorn to regular popcorn? Both of those are irreversible and create victims.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They DO overlap, though it's true that most child molesters aren't pedophiles or ephebophiles.
Woodshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think there is anything to see here... time to move along
CupcakeCannibal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me happy. Sick fuck!
JDraks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deserved it. Pedos are scum.
TastyBleach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Id have cut him to pieces.
stenbren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you decide to be a child rapist a stabbing is getting off easy.
Tarantulady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:06 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a nonviolent person. If I walked in on that, I have no idea what I would do. I could imagine just about anyone losing control and killing the guy in such a fucked up situation. Hopefully the kid gets whatever help she needs.
DasiMeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:47 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a nonviolent person but I would cut a bitch if the same thing happened to me.
Tarantulady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:42 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya. I'd probably turn into a blur of fists, thrown objects, and rage tears, but I'm not sure.
dontneednomang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good. I hope he gets killed in prison
[deleted] ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love all the "appropriate response" replies, knew they'd be here.
It's amusing you people think you are "good".
EDIT: Although I'm not surprised in a world with Trump and May that you idiots think you can be judge, jury and executioner. We're all just animals aren't we? We're all just as disgusting as this asshole.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:13:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Carl_Bravery_Sagan ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:10:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can you make a comment like this just moments before making this one? This thread is full of people fantasizing about killing the guy and you attack the voice of reason?
Thibbledorf_Pwent ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:04:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You went after their comment history because there is zero defense for your ridiculous comment.
Carl_Bravery_Sagan ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:42:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a very defensible comment. If she killed the boyfriend, it would be a sad situation all around but don't call it justice. Due process even for the most heinous of acts is what we should strive for. I recognize like everyone else that attacking the guy was the only option given the situation but, unlike everyone else, I'm not happy. Not a single person in that situation "wins". It's a paradox catch-22, the rapist deserves due process even for his terrible crime, to be tried in court, and sentenced but because of the practicality of the situation it's impossible. It's not Mom's job to be the executioner and yet you can't blame her for it because there was no other way out in this situation. But nobody should be happy for the person who has to kill in self-defence.
Also, yeah, Mom didn't kill him, just stabbed him a lot. I'm playing out the scenario as many here wished it happened. Justice will be served in reality when the rapist is tried and convicted.
highlyquestionabl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:51:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is third party self defense, an affirmative defense against murder. What this woman did is not seen as "wrong" in the eye of the law (assuming the facts as reported are accurate).
TheManWhoWasNotShort ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:06:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the appropriate response to walking in and seeing your child being molested? Allow him to continue the molestation, or to fight him off of her?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely to trump his act by going straight for murder, a knife isn't even a good defensive weapon and she was more likely to get her and her daughter killed.
TheManWhoWasNotShort ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:04:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm wondering why she didn't whip out her riot shield /s
Seriously? What weapon should she use in the one second she has to act while a man is actively raping her daughter? Maybe she should go downstairs and find the perfect blunt object she can locate. Or was she supposed to jump into it unarmed so it can be a "fair fight"?
Intentional Homicide in this circumstance is entirely legal and supported by our criminal justice system. She was acting well within her legal right.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:27:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this. It's not complicated. You call the police and tell the perpetrator you're calling the police. If you intervene you're just putting your daughter and yourself at further risk.
badmother ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people here like to think they are representatives of society.
In a weird way, they are.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:22:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty damn sad when the first reasonable comment I see is downvoted.
[deleted] ยท -65 points ยท Posted at 15:45:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As fucked as this whole situation is, murder is not the answer. The death penalty is unconstitutional as a punishment for the rape of a child according to the supreme court. While I understand her actions, I still feel she should be prosecuted.
originalrhetoric ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:30:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you on the death penatly, but I think you just missed half a step because the keyword here is not penalty, but defence.
The ethics of force in custody are very different than the ethics of force required to defend a child from assault.
If you assault a child, the civilian intervening does not have a moral compulsion to gauge minimum effective force. They are allowed effectively any tactic in order to render the attacker harmless. There is no expectation for them to put themselves or others at risk to minimize harm on the perpetrator.
That can be anything from extreme pain to permanent disability, to killing them. In the middle of a direct violent action, you forfeit your own right to bodily autonomy and life from your fellow civilians.
So you can say something like she should have killed him or hurt him more to make even more certain he was harmless to the child. He forfeited all protections normally afforded to himself.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:45:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, sounds good to me.
Fapiness ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:41:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it when an opinion is accepted because of a properly executed argument. Cheers for not arguing pointlessly.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And an upvote for you as well. Glad that went so well.
PlanetVagina ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:01:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she did it as a premeditated act of revenge I would agree with you, but since she caught him in the act I feel like it's a justifiable reaction. Was she just supposed to stand there while he raped her because murder is worse than rape? Also, she didn't murder him, he survived.
Florianopolix ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her actions are likely protected by the law. You're allowed to defend your children with pretty much any force, especially in your own home.
TechiesOrFeed ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 16:01:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are fucking sick if you think a mother should be prosecuted for defending her daughter
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 18:07:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it involves killing people they should be prosecuted. There's better ways to handle the problem then killing people.
TechiesOrFeed ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:27:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in this case, the dude could have easily subdued the mother had she not stabbed him in suprise
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't she have gotten evidence of it and just reported it to the police?
TechiesOrFeed ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck????
THE DUDE WAS RAPING THE DAUGHTER IN FRONT OF HER EYES
You think she should have just let it happen to get evidence??????
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could have stopped it and gotten evidence. You are justifying murder.
decaytheory ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:56:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are justifying allowing a rape to happen
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said stop it. I never said "let the kid get raped" I said just stop him and maybe don't attempt murder?
CharlesManson420 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:49:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao how fucking stupid do you sound. "Just stop him" hahahahahahahahahaha
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yes nothing like Reddit, so liberal where they don't want the death penalty in prison but they want all rapists and molesters instantly killed no matter what.
CharlesManson420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said to "just stop" a rape. "Just stop him"
You're a fucking idiot
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly just stop, don't kill.
ADHDavid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:55:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't kill him! He's still alive! Why do you think she killed him? Did you even read the article?
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I did, I know she didn't kill him but it could have easily ended up that way.
ADHDavid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:50:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, she was protecting her daughter.
pedantic_asshole_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:08:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How old are you? Serious question... you seem to have a weird sense that the police and courts will make everything alright. Either you are child or have the naivety of a child.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:23:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So don't trust the police? I'd rather trust police then myself in legal matters, ask my age doesn't matter.
Werewolf_Face_Killah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't fucking die you moron! Try reading an article before you go shooting your mouth off on the internet!
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:27:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess 1 reply wasn't enough for this guy.
Thibbledorf_Pwent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao wtf? Did you want her to stop and take pictures of it?! You are so absent from reality and empathy it's scary.
elljawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:32 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police rarely convict rapists. Its a hard thing to prove.
I oppose the death penalty, but this is self defense (assuming the mother and daughter are being honest)
Dasittmane ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:44:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know that? Or are you just assuming because your a sexist bigot?
TechiesOrFeed ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:10:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we still doing the whole "women are as strong as men" bullshit?
Shit, even if they were both men, a fair fight could go either way. If my daughter being raped was at stake I'd do everything to tilt the favors my way, and that includes stabbing someone
Dasittmane ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:36:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said "easily"
Thibbledorf_Pwent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:07:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's you're, and nobody asked people like you to defend us. Thanks.
PlanetVagina ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:08:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't kill him.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:19:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't killing, it was self defense.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 18:28:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's killing.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:38:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is self defense, a legally and morally acceptable action in the US>
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 18:39:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes the legal and moral action of killing someone, what's it take to get this through your thick skull?
Tenacious_Dad ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:38:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's true that it's legal to shoot someone to stop a rape.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously it's legal, but is it really moral?
PlanetVagina ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:11:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be immoral to stand by and allow a child to be raped.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:22:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But kill somebody? Sure stop the rape, don't attempt to kill people.
PlanetVagina ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're acting like it's simple for a woman to stop a rape from occurring without the use of violence. She didn't kill him, she stabbed him with a pocketknife while he fought her and then called the police for help. She didn't slit his throat, she did what was necessary to subdue him. What would you have done, especially if the person was bigger and stronger than you? Let your kid get raped because you don't want to injure the person trying to rape them? You're either the ultimate pacifist or a rapist sympathizer.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd remain calm, and call the police, I don't like fighting, I don't like violence, that simple.
PlanetVagina ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:37:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is violence. I'm not going to let some freak violate my kid for the amount of time it takes for the police to arrive.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:38:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but there are passive ways to try and make it stop.
PlanetVagina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:40:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and there are effective ways to make it stop. Don't want to get stabbed, don't try to rape a kid with their parent in the house.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yes, violence is just the best isn't it.
PlanetVagina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:55:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like violence either, but it's more important to protect the victim.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you can protect the victim without violence
PlanetVagina ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:35:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That depends on the situation. Assaulting your girlfriend's kid in their home is a really bold move; I doubt it would be easy to talk him out of doing what he wanted to do.
Be realistic; the vast majority of woman are unable to overpower the vast majority of men without a weapon. If you're lucky enough to have a weapon on you, you're well within your rights to use it. If it's easy for a woman to stop a rape, why does anyone get raped?
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping somebody else's rape is easier, plus if he hit her any she could just walk out and call police.
PlanetVagina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:46:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right, just walk out of the room while your kids getting raped. You're nuts.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who says you have to walk out? You can stop it, take your daughter and walk out. Even if he comes and attacks you just run, get in your car, get in public.
PlanetVagina ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:04:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, go be a Buddhist monk or something, but please don't have children.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not Buddhist, not even really religious to be honest. I just don't like violence. Also why should I not have kids? That's my decision. And I doubt when I have them I'll let them get raped, or rape them.
PlanetVagina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:12:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you'd prefer a girl to be raped than a rapist to be stabbed. You're not fit for parenthood if you won't be your child's protector.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:14:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
?
When did I say I'd rather have a girl be raped then to stab someone? Of course if it was instantly detrimental and in a situation where I couldn't do anything else(he was beating my ass in a corner and about to kill me), would I ever think about pulling out a weapon on him/her.
PlanetVagina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:24:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Could she have gotten evidence and just reported it to the police"
"I'd remain calm and just call the police"
And you said over and over that defending her from rape is not worth killing someone.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:27:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly, but I wouldn't just let people rape my daughter. As a matter of fact I probably wouldn't even ever have her in a situation like that. I'll raise her the same way my parents raised me, extreme caution and never letting me leave the property while I'm young.
Thibbledorf_Pwent ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly, you are mentally ill and extremely abnormal if you would have any ability to remain calm when confronted with the rape of your child. I've never said this to anyone before but please don't reproduce. Please don't spread your mental disease.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may be the opposite, I know mentally ill people(my brother) who would flip shit over it. So yeah have fun making fun of me for mental disease, maybe it is a family thing, my brother has so many problems after all!
Thibbledorf_Pwent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say all mentally ill people are devoid of emotions. I specifically said that there's something seriously wrong with you. You can try to make it into a bigger thing against everyone, but it's not. You are what I'm talking about. There is something wrong with you. Specifically. Good luck with that.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yes, "people hold a different opinion then me so they must have issues". You're the one who's mentally ill here.
Thibbledorf_Pwent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:16:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try again. It's not people with different opinions. It's you, specifically you, saying you'd be calm if your child was raped. That is messed up.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:02 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
? It's messed up to attempt to stay calm in horrific situations? Freaking out is no better. It's probably worse.
ilytristanily ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:23:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if it was your kid? would you just ignore it?
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't just ignore it, but I wouldn't attempt murder.
ilytristanily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hopefully you're never a parent
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even a counter argument, just hoping I'm never a parent.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:50:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you're implying killing in this case is bad.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing in any case is bad
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:00:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you figure? Killing a criminal in defense of an innocent person, especially when that person is caught in commission of a crime, is morally and legally justifiable and even good.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I had the choice to kill somebody or just hit them in a place to injure them, and not cause permanent damage, the only time I'd even try to kill someone is if I had somebody putting me in immediate danger with a weapon against me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you say that now. The goal is to stop the threat, if they die it's on them.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes stop a threat without the possibility of killing this is my goal.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's your choice. Self defense is a natural human right, and that includes deadly force. Innocent lives take priority of those who would do harm and that's the bottom line.
Un4tunately ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on -- now you're just making assumptions.
ADHDavid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a joke, right?
Un4tunately ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every day on this site, I see folks spouting off whatever folksy bits of "fundamental truth" that they think is completely unassailable. I would love to see you try to defend "self defense" as a "natural human right". Hell, to even define those terms.
ADHDavid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I could see it argued as a basic human 'instict': most people have that fight-or-flight instinct in them. As a right, I'm not so sure. Does an inmate have the right to defend himself during a lethal injection?
In this case, I believe the woman was justified in her action, however, not all the facts are present at the moment, so we'll have to wait and see on the updates. I do see where you're coming from, however, so I apologize as coming off as initially coarse.
Un4tunately ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I 100% agree. I'm the one who is sorry for getting riled up.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self defense has caused pain to many people who don't do harm too.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and how many innocents suffered injury or death due to evil people? It's a natural human right.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at some seemingly innocent people, Jesus, God, how many have been killed over religion? Innocent people have killed millions.
ADHDavid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:44:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man is not dead. He was stabbed multiple times and the sexual assault was thwarted. She was defending her daughter's life and had a moral obligation to fend off the attacker in any way she could. She most likely was not strong enough to pull him off her, so she acted with a different kind of force. If the events described are the fact, then this woman did the right thing.
If you're trying to play devil's advocate here, criticizing people for defending their life/bodies or other's life/bodies is ultimately pointless.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for replying twice
Werewolf_Face_Killah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess who didn't read the article! You!
PoutineCheck ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:31:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She only used a pocket knife, she should be able to defend her child in her own home with it
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you still have the right to defend yourself or another.
Mrka12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant kendrick lyric
No this wasn't murder, but rape can scar people for life especially at a young age. I doubt I would be able to stop myself from something drastic if I walked in on my child being raped.
Longhornt ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:22:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What in the fuck is wrong with you?
[deleted] ยท -65 points ยท Posted at 17:19:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HalfACheeseHead ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:24:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im a liberal and I'd stab the fucker too. Stop acting like politics=humanity.
Tenacious_Dad ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 19:36:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. Liberals are fine with kids being stabbed to death in the womb, so no doubt liberals are cool with murder.
Biodeus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:38:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm this, you're that. You're not what I am so I hate you. Get over yourself and stop generalizing. People are too different and plentiful to go into just a couple categories. For the record, before you cry "LIBERAL", I don't label myself as anything.
Tenacious_Dad ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:42:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You're a LIBER....oh." it's Friday, let's enjoy our weekend. I was just teasing about the first comment. You're right we are complex.
IamaHonestGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty morbid topics to be poking fun around, tbh.
raybrignsx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:17:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No this is not political. This has nothing to do with conservative, liberal, libertarian, socialism, etc. Stop the divisiveness.
KyubeyTheSpaceFerret ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats a blanket statement. thats a no-no.
am liberal, i think she was justified in doing so.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:46:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mezonsen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:51:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tfw allowing the justice system to objectively assess a case is feels and stabbing someone in a fit of rage is reals
By the way, I think the original comment was stupid too
Seoulja4life ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The entire reason Republican won is because a certain group was convinced to FEEL threatened by a group that is not even 5% of the population of US.
I am neither a liberal or conservative. Most people in US are not retarded enough to blindly pick one side just cuz they FEEL like it. Blindly worshipping a political party or view is as unAmerican as it gets.
TwoGendersSorryLibs ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, republicans won because hillary was a godawful candidate.
agreed
jereddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:44:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the way things like this often end up in court, I can't agree with this anymore. The system is flawed.
Also, I don't think the guy died.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, I agree with you, but I'm not even mad. If I was on the juryfor that prosecution, you best believe if nullify.
ADHDavid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was protecting her child with force, stabbing him to prevent him from assaulting her further. This is a legal act of defense, if the situation is described fully here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even better
_Shal_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are allowed to use violence if it means stopping a serious harm to them or others. An attack to stop it from happening is alright. She shouldn't be prosecuted from trying to stop this happening.
For example, if one guy is trying to murder a friend of yours then you'll probably attack the murderer before he kills your friend if you can. Maybe you can do it without getting that person killed, but that could not be the case. Would you rather your friend die with the murderer living or the other way around? Obviously you'd side with the friend.
Also, having the potential of actually being killed when doing a serious crime like murder or sexual assault/rape can help be a deterrent to making some of those sick people back away. Of course there is prosecution and jail time as well to demotivate them, but they feel like they would just need to not be caught by the police then or to just not leave evidence. Self defense will also makes the victim a threat to the criminal.
sycophantasy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the mother should be punished, I think it's a VERY natural reaction and she shouldn't be blamed for her action in response to witnessing that horrible deed. I do agree that in an ideal world the dude should have been stopped and rehabilitated or locked up (obviously easier said than done).
ADHDavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was she supposed to do? Let the sexual assault continue? She was legally in the right in stabbing that man if she caught him sexually assaulting her daughter.
CitizenCreed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm against the death penalty in all cases, but if I saw someone assaulting my child, I'd stab them too.
tiktock34 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:11:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only she had a gun we'd probably have this POS removed from the gene pool instead of someone having to pay his medical bills and future incarceration costs. Zero tolerance for child abuse. Removal from the gene pool is the only acceptable solution as far as I'm concerned for people who have a predisposition to sexually abused children. They can't be cured. Period.
badmother ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, is that his fault, or just the way he was born? Should he be fixed or punished? I'd say he should have come forward for treatment long ago, but society (just read the top comments here) will not accept this as an ailment that can be sympathetically treated. Therefore, so long as this ironic status exists, there will always be child molesters because there is nowhere they can turn for help before they act. You can be sure they know they have the predisposition to do so, and you can also be sure they don't believe there is any help.
FYI, in the UK, there is a completely anonymous service called Stop it Now. if you are in the UK and feel attraction towards pre-legal people, please do visit their website or call them on 0808 1000 900. They will not judge. They will help you.
Not just contact offending, but internet offending too. Even just one image forensically recovered can end you up in prison. Get help before the police knock on your door. Please.
tiktock34 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not their fault to be wired that way just as its not the BTK killers fault he was born a sociopathic murderer. Treat them no different than anyone else with a mental illness that results in them being a threat to others.
WhiteAsTheNut ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucktard he wouldn't have been removed for a gene pool, his daughter has his genes. Also nobody deserves to die.
tiktock34 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:06:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people absolutely deserve to die. People who rape kids top that list.
And lastly, fucktard, if you read the article you'd know it wasnt his daughter. He was raping his GF's daughter so my gene pool comment stands.
ADHDavid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WhiteAsTheNut, if you read his other comments, wants the mother to be prosecuted for defending her daughter during a sexual assault. Think about that.
Now, not all facts are present, and the mother theoretically could be lying, but I doubt that's the case.
cowboydirtydan ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:30:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All you guys are saying he needed to be stabbed. What he was doing was indeed a terrible thing, but I don't think peaceful outcomes were unavoidable. She could have called the cops and then confronted him.
That said, I don't know if he's violent otherwise and would have attacked her if she tried to do it peacefully. Just saying, killing people should be a last resort.
FrankStag ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:46:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child rape is violent. There was already a violent outcome.
cowboydirtydan ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:52:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. Idunno, I guess I just think less violence is better. I completely understand why she did what she did, though.
tytbalt ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:52:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you were being raped, and your friend/parent walked in and saw what was happening, you would have wanted them to say, "Hold on one moment," walk away and call the cops? Meanwhile, you're continuing to get raped?? That would have been "the right" thing to do?
cowboydirtydan ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:18:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, preferably they'd say something to whoever was doing it and they'd stop. Like I said, I understand why that wouldn't work sometimes
tytbalt ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:27:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey man, would you please stop raping my daughter?"
cowboydirtydan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds funny but they probably wouldn't do it in front of people.
Lazy_Mandalorian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:35:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are a naive fool.
NoirLuvve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:19:43 on January 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Powers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to change it to "Littlefingered", not "little fingered" so it sounds less like you're also a creepy paedo and more like the bad Game of Thrones reference you intended.
Unless it's supposed to be both, in which case I'll just be slowly backing up from this comments section, with my arms out to the sides to prevent my nephew getting any closer.
badmother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe he was saying he would have cum quicker if she had?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Powers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nooooot really, it's more like you got yourself...
Put on a list, or a register, if you will...
Mimicking-hiccuping ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd fling the bastard in jail wearing a tutu with a half tub of Vasaline round his arsehole.......and give the mother a medal.
UniqueMotherFucker ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking pedophiles these days, fuck that dude. I don't think repeated stabs is reasonable, probably pulling out a gun, telling him to get off, and calling the cops. Life in jail hopefully or death penalty.
i-heart-trees ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shooting him would be the reasonable thing to do and would be 100% justified under the law.
HHHikari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao you guys are fucking insane, do you have a though process like at all before saying stuff like this? You kill people just like that? Is it a joke?
i-heart-trees ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only joke is that you think someone who rapes a child is deserving of anything but death. In the United States it is considered legally justifiable to use lethal force against someone committing a sexual assault. Some people deserve to die and if you don't believe that you live in fantasy land.
EpicDerp37272 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing is legally and morally justified if you are defending another person from abuse and/or death.
HHHikari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is justified in case of lethal threat AFAIK, stop pulling things outta nowhere.
EpicDerp37272 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From wikipedia:
Common excusing conditions [for justifiable homicide]
[...]
2: Most countries agree that it is lawful for a citizen to repel violence with violence to protect his or her own or another's life and limb, or to prevent sexual assault.
EDIT: Also, from the same article,
A homicide may be considered justified if it is done to prevent a very serious crime, such as rape, armed robbery, manslaughter or murder.
Here's the link to the article btw
I rest my case. The woman's move was completely justifiable in this situation, both legally and, in my opinion, morally.
SAM_hydelstein ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:48:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it doesnt sound like he actually raped her but was about to
UniqueMotherFucker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:41:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article says he sexually harassed/assured her.
SAM_hydelstein ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i love that im getting downvoted because you cunts dont know what words mean ๐
jetcoff ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:08:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he was seconds away from raping a 12 year old, does your distinction really matter? We know his intent.
SAM_hydelstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if youre seconds away from killing someone its attempted murder, if youre seconds away from raping someone its attempted rape/sexual assault
not really that complicated you mongoloids
jetcoff ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:13:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even know what a Mongoloid is, honey? Go back to voat. And who cares about the law. He was intent on raping a child, the legality of his crime doesn't change that.
SAM_hydelstein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whenever someone calls me honey i immediately imagine some obese sterile pink haired woman. So you agree he didnt rape anyone but was intent on raping someone. what do you have your panties in a twist for about what i said exactly? Do factual statements bother you that much?
jetcoff ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why exactly did you feel the need to point this out? I mean, it was incredibly obvious. I can stop calling you honey if it triggers you, honey.
SAM_hydelstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it doesnt trigger me just makes me a little sick thinking of what kind of monstrously ugly woman is on the other end
jetcoff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still haven't answered the question, honey.
SAM_hydelstein ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah he was lying on top of her naked, definitely sexual assault but like i said, think it was stopped short of rape
princessJJ ยท -41 points ยท Posted at 14:50:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why all pedophiles should be taken to the center of town, skinned alive and left there as an example for other.
PM_ME_FUTA_PEACH ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:16:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think non-offending pedophiles have done anything to deserve any punishment.
Astaauand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think indulging in child pornography should carry a costly punishment.
Pedophiles who are just sad and try to suppress their disgusting attractions are just fine though.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suppression actually leads to greater offense rates by the way. It's a complicated issue, I definitely don't support child pornography, but I also realllly don't want them acting on their urges...
princessJJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't non offending, he was caught in the act. I said people like him.
Schnabeltierchen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:42:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe best to call them by the term child molesters or rapists then.
princessJJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, good point. It didn't occur to me that there would need to be some separation there.
cleeder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you didn't.
princessJJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I guess I didnt
funnyterminalillness ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 15:43:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is wrong with people like you?
The_Powers ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:04:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? People like him should be taken to the centre of town, skinned alive and... Oh wait, hang on I think there's a lesson here...
Astaauand ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is just angry. I understand that anger. It's irrationally extreme when it comes to child rapists. Violence is never the answer though.
Pedophiles aren't necessarily child rapists as well.
funnyterminalillness ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that, but it really amazes me how people can go from 0 to completely blood thirsty seemingly at the drop of a hat. We're supposed to be better than this
Astaauand ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
weirdly enough, I am more concerned about the guy raping a little girl then some anonymous edgelord saying something crude out of anger that they will probably never act on.
funnyterminalillness ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implying I'm not? It's possible yo walk and chew gum at the same time, I can be horrified by the post and pissed off at OP simultaneously
badmother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
representative of society, I'm afraid.
princessJJ ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:17:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you support the rape of children? Or is it that you think we should just help them get better, even though studies prove they reoffend.
Seanachaidh ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:00:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being taken aback by people advocating gross violations of human rights is far from defending the actions of said humans, dude.
princessJJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just get frustrated when I hear about kids getting abused and I think we need to punish them a lot more harshly than we dfo.
cleeder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... Not really a good excuse for that.
princessJJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not making an excuse, just saying it brings out the worst in me. I stand by what I said. We need to stop Coddling these people.
funnyterminalillness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you stand by what you said then maybe don't become a lawyer.
Also, how the fuck are we coddling paedophiles?
princessJJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:29 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giving them probation, putting them through "rehabilitation" and little to no jail time is coddling. They always re-offend, that has been proven. Why the hell would I want to become a lawyer? The other thing that strikes me here is how my comment received so much negativity, but all the comments about using a bigger knife are okay. Is the issue just the manner of death that bothers you, or the fact that so many of us want to see them die. At least the manner I suggested could deter future offenders, killing them in private seems like it would just be kept private.
Let me ask you, if you came home and found someone raping your daughter, what would you do? How would you feel if the court let him off with probation? If your daughter had nightmares every night and was terrified, depressed and suicidal over this, would you still think killing that person was wrong?
funnyterminalillness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL paedophiles don't face jail time. That's a new one
princessJJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/03/du-pont-heir-gets-probation-for-raping-3-year-old-daughter
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/woman-sues-ex-husband-du-pont-heir-dodged-prison-raping-3-year-old-daughter-article-1.1740180
funnyterminalillness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's hardly a standard comparison. Someone filthy rich got off lightly - I wonder if it was the crime or the person that had the most impact?
princessJJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is not just one case, it's a lot. You didn't answer my questions.
funnyterminalillness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which questions?
cowboydirtydan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck?
[deleted] ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 14:19:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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corvus_curiosum ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:34:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't illegal though. Stopping a rape is an acceptable reason to kill someone, provided the someone you're killing is the rapist of course.
StopBeingADummy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:09:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I'm not gonna murder some random bystander to stop a rape
"Now that I have your attention"
Maggie_A ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:29:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not even technically illegal to use force to defend another person being assaulted.
It's a justified use of force.
Do you think that if you see your 12 year old daughter being raped, the law requires that you call 9-1-1 and just wait for them to show up and you aren't allowed to use force to stop the rape?
Jesus, the internet. SMH
MakeMoreHL2Mods ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't these laws differ wildly from state to state, though?
(Not from America, downvoters, it was a legit question :-))
SuperSecretGunnitAcc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In some ways. Ohio has pretty good self defense laws though and most states allow for lethal force to stop a sexual assault.
Maggie_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not this one, no, not really.
I don't know about other countries, but here in the US if you see a child being raped by an adult, you're legally safe to use force to stop the rapist.
I recall a case not too long ago where the father beat the rapist to death.
MakeMoreHL2Mods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I think that in Sweden you are only allowed to apply the same force as your attacker, at least in self defense situations, which I've always thought is weird. In a life and death situation a law book would be the furthest thing from my mind.
Big_Stick01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:31:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its supposed to equal force, so she was supposed to rape him back; get with the times. /s
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:44:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which she did, with a knife. She just wanted the right size holes, so she made some
Rising_Swell ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:37:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean with a big enough dildo im sure it could be more painful than stabbing. Bonus points if theres sharp bits added
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, Hammurabi.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leave the gorilla out of this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, there are people that really are that helpless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reasonable force, and no, she wasn't defending her. Read the article:
That's not defense, that's aggression. The way it sounds, he probably would've stopped just from realizing he was caught. This was excessive use of force.
Maggie_A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course she was angry.
That's a normal reaction to seeing your 12 year old daughter being raped.
Still a justified use of force.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While understandable, anger is not justification for use of any and all force. I very much doubt he continued assaulting the daughter after the first stab, and yet she continued to stab him 5 more times. That is excessive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you never have children.
The_Powers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the pedophile! No-one stab him more than 4 times!
kasuchans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, wait, can I get a link to the mini tuxedo story?
IeatInternet ยท -47 points ยท Posted at 15:41:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God reddit makes me sick cheering for the stabbing of a mentally ill man. So many are saying she should have stabbed him dead, disgusting. He needs to be behind bars where hell receive psychological treatment
TheManWhoWasNotShort ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:59:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, in your mind, the mother was supposed to sit there idly while this man rapes her daughter and calmly wait for the police to show up?
This was an IN PROGRESS sexual assault
i-heart-trees ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:06:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all you have to be an idiot if you think the American prison system offers adequate psychiatric treatment to anyone and secondly this man is not mentally ill by any legal or accepted psychiatric definition. In order to be not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity one must be incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong and he clearly knew what he was doing was wrong. Take your nambla rape apologist bullshit somewhere else, this man is incapable of being anything other than a threat to society. The most humane thing to do for a rabid dog is put it down.
No_More_Candy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but I'd rather he was stabbed than successful in attacking the 12 year old.
sanfranciscofranco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately it sounds like the mom didn't prevent it, she stopped him in the middle of it :/
McAnalSandwich ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:46:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God reddit makes me sick, seeing some people trying to defend a pedophile.
Dr-Spacetime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's what prisoners in the US get... man you must live in a fairytale
ErdeTyrenne ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:32:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reddit makes me sick, defending child fuckers like they're people. you should be shot right along with them for trying to normalize it
IM_NOT_CIA ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:32:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Normalizing or 'trying' to normalize this horrible shit is the root cause of increasing cases. Not to mention the atrocious amount that go un-reported
IeatInternet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad youre not in any position of power to make that call. Paedophilia is a mental disease and should be treated as such.
badmother ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should he be behind bars? If he's mentally ill, he needs to be in a mental institution, surely?
badmother ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why behind bars? That;s for criminals, no ill people.
SodomisingGrandpa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he committed a crime and there is a victim. Being a pedo is not a crime, but raping children is.
badmother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely correct. Apologies.
edit: dat username tho!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:18:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_The-Big-Giant-Head_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No father is involved in this story. Just a boyfriend, it's in the post title.
mattb1052 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He deserved it completely and I completely understand why she did it but it wasn't her place to do that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:38:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was physically in the act of violently raping her daughter, she had the legal right to defend her and her daughter. Capital felonies change things quite a bit.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What should she have done? Politely wait for him to finish raping her child?
1standTWENTY ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it was a white guy?
grasstastes_bad ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if all the roles were reversed 90% of reddit would want to high five the kid and would start a witch hunt for the stabber.
Wdf1987 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really like that mom for saving her daughter, but can't help but wonder why she was dating a man like that. Not saying it's her fault, just maybe choose your partner better next time. I guarantee the guy wasn't a saint, and she knew that.
coops678 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:36:57 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child abusers can be anything from totally obvious to completely unexpected. You are likely pigeon holing the man from this story into an image in your head that could be incredibly far from the truth.
For example, a neighbour where I grew up lived with his wife and two daughters. Really nice guy. Not in an overbearing way, just friendly, helpful, seemingly normal. One day his wife discovered images of naked children on his laptop. She reported it to the police and the police found thousands of naked images of minors on his device. He was sent to jail, everyone was shocked because there was nothing about him that suggested he was a child abuser.
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok? Like I said, we'll see how this guy is once more information is released
DanielPhermous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:20 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you say so.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do..
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:54 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Victim-blame much? Child molesters don't have a sign on their foreheads, you know.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never blamed the daughter for anything
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:25 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person you should be blaming is the rapist.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did.....
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the mother.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't blame the mother, I said she should be more careful about the men she chooses to date.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read that back to yourself.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She should be more careful. But I didn't say she sought out somebody to rape her daughter. Big difference.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't tell a child rapist is a rapist just by talking to them.
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you can
Aaronindhouse ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:21:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The boyfriend deserves to never see the light of day again while living the rest of his days inside a tiny jail cell.
However, two wrongs don't make a right and I would no more want a woman, who thinks its ok to stab a man multiple times, living next to me than i would a pedophile.
Call the cops, run outside with your daughter, go get a neighbor to help. All the of these things were reasonable, trying to stab a man to death is a dangerous and unbalanced reaction. The real loser in all of this is the daughter. I hope she gets the help she needs.
shitwealldo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that, someone's sexually assaulting your young daughter and you would just run away? Not me. The fucker would have his own little safe room, with tv and all the snacks he wants in prison, might as well fuck him up first.
Aaronindhouse ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a man, of course i would physically remove the other man off of my daughter and beat the shit out of him(Not stab him nearly to death. The other men in prison will likely take care of that anyways).
Realistically a woman has little chance of physically beating the crap out of man. Her better options are to call the police, or get help.
shitwealldo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:55 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on what prison.. in some, they go to special housing and keep all pedos together.
bassertitis ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:13:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he certainly wasn't a Muslim...that girl is too old!
Execute that filthy SOB regardless!!!!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones foreplay is getting out of hand.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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atuarre ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:17:36 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a 12yo could give consent. I think it should be rape and indecent behavior with a juvenile, and whatever else they can throw at him. He should definitely the up on the registry for life but I hope they find a way to put him in prison for the rest of his miserable life.
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:15:04 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex with a minor of any age when the other party is of legal age is always rape regardless of "consent". Specifically statutory rape or child molestation. Any type of "consent", real or imagined, is always nullified by the lack of legal capacity of the minor. It is always a crime for a person of legal age to sleep with a minor. It is correctly classified as rape, sexual abuse, or molestation from a legal (and arguably moral standpoint too). Always. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exception to the always: Romeo and Juliet states
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So very darkly true...
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that scenario is the rape always followed by death to all?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:49 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was the sentence I was replying to, which, is patently false. Romeo and Juliet states have laws on the books allowing for minors of a certain age to engage in sexual relations with adults below a certain age. In my state, a 16 yo and a 24 yo having a relationship is not statutory rape.
But 16/17 with a 25+ year old is.
Hence why that statement is false in it's present form.
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:02 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems the issue lies within the use of the word minor in that case which I accept would be classified differently throughout the US. In the country where I live the nationwide legal age for sex is 16 so there is no grey area in regards to who is classified as a minor (i.e. under 16) in regards to sex in the lead up to ages 18/21 and full legal responsibility. I sense I am arguing past the point though as my reply was addressing a comment that is now deleted and the child in the original story is 12.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the part where she's twelve?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dr-Spacetime ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She stopped a rape from occurring, that's not a crime...
Stornila ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bad then, I don't know much about american law since I'm swedish
Dr-Spacetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure even if you're in Sweden you could probably stab someone to stop them from raping your child.
Stornila ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope you can't, it's illegal but you could probably get a mild sentence.
Dr-Spacetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly curious. So you're telling me if someone is raping your child you're just supposed to let it happen and call the police?
Stornila ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, of course not. But stabbing someone 12 times in the chest and head with a pocket knife is above the boarder.
Dr-Spacetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh gotcha. Thanks for the clarification!
RazBruh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:33:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you fucking kidding
Stornila ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, killing someone is worse and gives a longer jail sentence than child rape.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Stornila ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thats my bad and I deleted the comment. I still think that this is way too much of a witchhunt.
theshadowfax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Premeditated murder, yeah, you'd be right.
This was a stabbing which occurred in defense of a child and a moment of intense emotional distress. She'll likely walk, at most I see her getting some counseling and a few years if she has some people like yourself on the jury, but she didn't plan the murder and did what any parent worth a damn would do, so she's not going to be in prison long even if she is sentenced.
FrankStag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not dead unfortunately.
Stornila ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's insane thinking. Everyone should be given a chance to change.
FrankStag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well meaning idiocy. If he fails to change another child gets raped.
Stornila ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because police keep track of the felon after they're released to see if they commit more crimes. (Also there was no child rape)
FrankStag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that always works right? Nah, mum deserves a medal.
Stornila ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, she does not deserve a medal at all. She deserves at least a few years behind bars.
FrankStag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For saving her child from a paedophile? Alright mate whatever.
Stornila ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabbing the "paedophile" was not nessecary for saving thw child
FrankStag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. The pocket knife was a necessary force multiplier considering the man took 12 stab wounds and still kicked their door in when forced out.
Stornila ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're right
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:42:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aggressions ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a father I disagree with your statement. I would fucking murder and destroy worlds if anyone hurts my daughter. Specially rape, I don't care you it is I will destroy them.
Old-School-Lover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solid beat down is fair, murder is crossing the line imo, but I'm not a father so maybe my opinion would change if I had a daughter.
nunzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait til you have a kid...the whole world changes.
CorpTshirt ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:26:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My butt's been blasted before. Metaphorically I mean. The mom's story is still suspect. Peace.
javi404 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is the story the daughter told the police.
LionHamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children are almost as easy to coach as they are effective on the stand
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Strypes4686 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had no right to stab him.... That"s the boys in Cell block B's job.
titania670 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The news is calling protecting her child 'a fit of rage'? The rage that woman felt would have easily taken that man's life. A fit of rage- GTFOH
lsspam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:56 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused about why you're so angry
titania670 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:33 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The term 'a fit of rage' implies that this woman was acting irrationally. Her daughter was in the process of being raped and the news reported it as though she were a jealous girlfriend, not a mother protecting her child. What that mom did was heroic- how the news initially reported it was disgraceful. Notice- no mention of her 'rage' in the second article where he was charged with rape. The man 'defended' himself saying that the CHILD was interested in HIM sexually and the mother was 'jealous'.
larrinski ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:51:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After reading the article, the first thing I thought was Woah, I'd hate to be their neighbour. Then, I thought it could be either story. Him being the rapist, or her being a crazy too. Then again, I had my ex call the police 11 times claiming I was abusing her when we didn't live together and I wanted nothing to do with her. 9 years later she is still trying to say I abused her as an argument in court that she wants child support even though our kid lives full time with me.
GhostBond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? How dare you suggest that any woman making accusations was not 100% honest. This is a fine upstanding woman and I can't believe that she might go nuts attacking someone then make an outrageous claim about what happened afterwards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSFBtuwSs4
She has a laaaw degree! He needs to leave! Not ask for a refund for his haircut!
The accusation is very serious, but the witch hunt mob mentality that a claim was made so that's what happened is very disturbing.
CorpTshirt ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I commented below, but this story seems suspect to me. The mom's story Is all over the place.
larrinski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that the 12 year old is ok, and that there is either evidence to back this serious allegation; or the mom is then charged for assault. Poor kid should be removed from that house either way!
GhostBond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's hard to tell if the mom's story is all over the place, or if this is the usual "media writes 90% narrative that kinda fits the facts, 10% actual story" thing.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sho_nuff_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the story?
mouseno4 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:22:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am ashamed of today's society who would call this "justice".
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jadwy916 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... I was molested, those fuckers are tricky as fuck. They've been doing it longer than people think. It's like a sickness they've had since they were younger themselves, and now they've mastered it. That's why a lot of them get away with it in the court system claiming false accusation. They're tricky. That's why you have to stab them to death immediately when you catch them in action. If you give them time to blame the kid, the kid they've already convinced that the kid want's what the molester is doing, it's too late. The kid will admit nothing wrong happened (as I did) and the molester if free to go. If I ever saw mine, I'd stab him too.
Sarahthelizard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I suppose I've never been in the terrible situation so I guess you might be right.. :/
Junfoo ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 15:59:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to be THAT guy, but maybe the girlfriend was just jealous about the daughter liking him and in an argument attacked him, and made all this stuff up... These reports are still under investigation.. I AM BY NO MEANS SAYING I CONDONE SEXUAL ASSAULT. IF THIS GUY IS GUILTY OF THESE HEINOUS ACTS HE NEEDS TO ROT IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS MISERABLE LIFE.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:40:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the article? The daughter also gave a statement that differed but still supported the fact that he was sexually abusing a minor.
Junfoo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the article. But I'm also aware of false claims like this happening, and parents pressuring their kids to lie.. and also that fake news is prevalent in our society right now... all's I was trying to say is let's reserve judgement and not jump to any conclusions
crashcap ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:49:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You read a headline about a man raping a child, first thing you do is defend him, cant even bother to read the article first?
Junfoo ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:56:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the article. But I'm also aware of false claims like this happening, and parents pressuring their kids to lie.. and also that fake news is prevalent in our society right now... all's I was trying to say is let's reserve judgement and not jump to any conclusions
crashcap ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:57:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You jumped into conclusions on your own m, shifting the guilty in the op
Junfoo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not placing blame on anyone. In these here United States everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Unsubstantiated claims and sensationalist headlines aren't what determine who's a dirt bag. Guy most likely IS guilty AND a dirt bag. I'm just trying to keep a level head here
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crashcap ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow rape and dv arent treated the same as other crimes. People ALWAYS come and try do discredit the victims. I remember we getting beaten up as a kid and when the police came the guy said "Its just family stuff. And nobody just beats their family for no reason"
If this piece was "women finds man robbing her house, stabs him 5 times" no way in HELL people would be defending this guy the way they are here
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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crashcap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
??? I never said anyone was
2star2wars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you hate to be "that guy", you could always just not be "that guy"...
Junfoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has to be that guy tho... Besides, I'm bored today and am quite enjoying the internet arguments lol
Ghaarial ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:15:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's a twelve year old child, you sick fuck.
Junfoo ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:28:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a good day to you too
Ghaarial ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:30:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to indulge the bullshit notion that you're entitled to any sort of polite tone.
Junfoo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:49:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here to discuss. You're obviously not. So I'm not going to waste my time on you.
Ghaarial ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:06:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not here to discuss. You're here to spread conspiracy theories and try to discredit a child victim's statement and her mother for defending her. You are cancer.
Junfoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not discrediting anyone! I've seen firsthand within my own family what damage and irreparable harm sexual assault causes, and I've also seen firsthand in extended family what destruction false claims of sexual assault do to a someones reputation and future employability. THE ONLY ARGUMENT IM MAKING IS THAT WE SHOULD WAIT FOR ALL THE FACTS
jetcoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit dot com
damncatfish ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:07:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I clicked hoping the top comment was about how this poor 12 year old has been affected by two incredible traumas now instead of just the heartbreaking first one. Instead I found mostly malice for the rapist and justifications of murder. You're not wrong, Reddit. You're just an asshole.
evilsbane50 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:30:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...why would there be no malice for a full grown man raping a twelve year old...
damncatfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There should be. I'm a parent. I'd probably do the same thing. But that the first ten comments were hate for the rapist rather than compassion for the 12 year old struck me as pretty fucked up.
lejefferson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:21:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Malice I can understand a lynch mob for someone accused of a crime without a trial is disgusting. Y'all motherfuckers need constitutions.
ElementGeek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Besides the guy not being stabbed enough, am I the only person wondering why a woman walks around with a pocket knife in her home? I've never met or dated a woman that carries a knife. I carry a pocket knife when I go out, but I don't carry it around with me when I'm home. Just seems odd to me.
Doobie-Keebler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, ya know, I knew a woman who crocheted "gun socks" for keeping her rifles in.
Different strokes for different folks.
Rabiddd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she just came home and still had her jeans on or something so it was perfect timing
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just not right no matter who does it. Ever.
JenWrath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He clearly has mental problems. I mean, yeah he shouldn't get a free pass but if he somehow isn't getting life in prison(since the judgements in these cases are often messed up), I hope he gets mental treatment. The guy is clearly going to do it again if he isn't rehabilitated....or killed. I'd be fine with either.
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RobbyDigital19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heroic acts generally deserve this much attention.
HHHikari ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Heroic acts" lmfao, is this heroic act? Are you fucking joking?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gontron1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:35:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Times like this are when you need to stab like Meta Knight.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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McBlemmen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:41:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy that title was a rollercoaster of emotions
edit : the report says
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoulda finished him off with a $.50 bullet to the head.
skinboater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was a lot nicer than I would have been. I would still be torturing that fucker, IV hooked up and all.
Eddieisfiction ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a former medic, Exactly what I was thinking. Pig labs.
kissmeimscottish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world is insane. This was the reason why my mum dated one guy in the 20 years after she had kids. She dated this guy for less than three months and I remember being left in a room alone with him once. She ended it after he had bought my sister and I a present each (not sure if it was for an occasion or not) and she broke up with him for it. She was so scared about someone taking advantage of her situation to the point that now that she has two grown children she can't really date because she hasn't for 20 years and doesn't know how.
I feel so much for people who don't have parents that care for their kids this much. I feel so much for this mother and her daughter.
GarrisonFjord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he lives, he'll be getting stabbed in the butt repeatedly while in prison. Just not with a knife.
WoodenJellyFountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAYBE not with the equivalent of a knife
ScriptJitsu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:24:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun times in Cleveland again --STILL CLEVELAND!!
Hu5k3r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this one might be a little close to home, so I'm going to apologize if I've offended you and leave it at that.
Jangool ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:20:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet when reddit's favorite country does this everyone loses their shit
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that guy has such a shitty personality, he will never be able to get a girlfriend.
mapleleaffem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope sorry they don't. I'm talking real time life and death situations. Blood guts and shit flying everywhere. Literally. And depending on the venue they're actually doing more than the doctors for less money.
Not sure where you can be a registered nurse in a two year program. In Canada it's a four year program just to get in the door, plus additional training for specialties.
alii-b ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:38:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that all the info? Bit harsh that he was found naked on top of the clothed child. Oh hang on...
unhorsingbook ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:43:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it true these scumbags are screwed in jail? Are there any comforting stories?
kabhaal87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, even theives, murderers, and gangbangers have "standards". Once the prisoners find out someones in for a crime against a child is usually either solitaty for their own safety or they wind up on the receivimg end of underworld "justice"
A_Bit_Fishy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:58:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not supposed to pity this guy am I?
Saved17 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHY THE HELL WAS SHE CHARGED?! Was he charged
TatterhoodsGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The article says neither of them have been charged as of yet.
Saved17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't think she should be charged at all
TatterhoodsGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think nearly everyone here, myself included, agrees with you. It doesn't sound as though she will be. Self-defense and all.
Saved17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean any parent would do the same don't u think
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burtra12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:37 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't really think you stop to think things through when a man is raping your child...
atwegotsidetrekked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is smaller and needs help to fend him off
ill_umi_naughty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:09:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the title said "reportedly", but "repeatedly" actually sits better with my conscience
GIDAMIEN ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:23:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that noise. I'll fucking stab him.
porradavfr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:21 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's a he-stabbed, she-stabbed situation?
Methamphetahedron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:43:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see crazy Cleveland shit in the headlines that ends with the bad guy getting fucked up
dimethylacetylene ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:03 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a pleasant irony in the fact that the comments of a news post about a stabbing show a celebration of the good of humanity.
ChilieMacPalmer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we give the man a little real world experiences. Like a shank in the gut whilst in prison.
Allenba77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be mad if she cut the guy's head off and put it on a stake in the yard with a sign that says "Pedophile was caught raping a 12 year old who was his daughter".
nascarracer99316 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:47:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And nothing will happen to the women.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think something should happen to the
womenwoman and the child?FeargalOR ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:10:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What part of "this isn't what it looks like" did she not understand?
UneasyInsider ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The man told prosecutors he was trying to save the girl from a fly"
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:07:39 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:26:48 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would absolutely, without hesitation, stab the motherfucking life out of someone for sexually assaulting any of my children. If you sexually assault children, you have forfeited your humanity. If you sexually assault my children, you have forfeited your life. No questions asked. I would feel worse about euthanizing (sp) my dog in his old age.
Have an upvote.
blaZedmr ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:39:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if, in a hypothetical situation, it was your 12 year old son you found on your 3 year old daughter. Or your 3 year old daughter told you out of the blue one day, brother made me put his penis in my mouth and lick, would violence against the 12 year old boy be understandable?
shayne1987 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:42:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is your response?
Really?
blaZedmr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes really, i wanted opinions on a complicated issue like that where it isnt simply so easy to just outright stab someone
CarmenFandango ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then offer something other than a choice that illuminates nothing.
firakasha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem here is that you're trying to compare a child who doesn't fully understand their actions or their sexuality to a grown-ass man who has zero excuses for climbing up on a 12 year old.
The situation you present is super complicated, but the one here in this article is not.
Astronaut_Rapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he was comparing the situations, I think he was just making conversation
HermitPrime ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting that an adult male has the same amount of personal responsibility as a minor?
blaZedmr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No i wasn't really suggesting anything exactly, more of a what the hell would a parent do in that situation.
Less-Talk-More-Bach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I late for the RedditTM brand blood lust circle jerk?
morrock14 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:14:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't date single moms.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thetownofsalemdrunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:10 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your racism is showing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:34 on September 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thetownofsalemdrunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:30 on September 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It took you five days to come up with that?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:16:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This headline seems to put more blame on the Cleveland woman...
kittycatdude ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not condone what he did at all. Sick!!! But if the genders were reversed (30-40 something year old woman on top of her boyfriend's 12 year old son), wanna bet that every single guy on here would say "wow he's so lucky!" ? Or still be blaming the male? Why does it seem like men are always the monsters no matter what? like I said, I think what he did is sick.
scared_pony ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:09:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think even with roles reversed, I approve of stabbing
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anybody would blame the 12 year old in that situation - young girls are more likely to be blamed for "leading on" their rapists than young boys are.
However, you're right, many people would try to brush it off as "every boy's dream!" instead of treating it seriously.
kittycatdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think that's really dumb. Bothers me a lot how whenever that happens, nobody really bats an eye and people high five the boy but switch the genders and those same people want the guy to be castrated. I really don't understand people sometimes.
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:57:09 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, people usually say 'lucky kid' when it's a super attractive school teacher sleeping with their teenage boy students. If some step mother was molesting the boy, in his bedroom, it would definitely be frowned upon. It might sound weird but they're very different situations.
Drugstore_Loudboy ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 00:46:18 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess what race..
Wdf1987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:05:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland...child rape...stabbing....obviously Chinese. Just kidding.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Barrrcode ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe don't stab people and then make up some lie to cover up your crime...
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:49:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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winepigsandmush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opinion is indeed divided on the subject.
99.9999% of mental health professionals, MD's, legislators, youth workers and members of the general public insist that person's under the age of 16 are unable to supply consent- 00.0001% insist that they are.
Like the man said-"you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's okay to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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prewarpotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laws of nature says "we all shit in the woods" and "if you touch my child, you die". That's all there is to it, you complete fucking moron.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ambushaiden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference in vigilante justice and stopping a sexual assault that could have easily turned into him assaulting her or continuing what he was doing. Vigilante justice would be going after him hours or days after the crime.
CorpTshirt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that sees red flags in the moms account of this? There's something weird underlying this whole story. I'm NOT defending the dude, I loathe child abusers but something about this doesn't add up.
empatheticapathetic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why was she going out with him?
HillBillyChainsaw ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is some serious jealousy stabbing the guy, damn.
lepusfelix ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm concerned for the daughter's welfare here.
Victim of attempted rape, closely followed up by being right in the middle of an attempted murder.
Mom's undoubtedly the hero, but I think she could have spared a thought for her daughter having to witness a stabbing up close.
slider2k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did she do that in front of a child, though? I'm not defending the guy, but seeing your mother repeatedly stabbing another person with a knife could be very damaging to the child mental health too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no you are right.. she should have let the dude stick his dick inside the child.. that would have been a better mental picture for the kid to remember forever
slider2k ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:13:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure repeated stabbing isn't the only (or the best) way to stop a child rape. Reading comments it appears that mother was so mad she even lacerated her own daughter with the knife.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're right.. the better way would have been 00 buck to the back of the head with a shiny new shotgun
Strawupboater ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was he asleep or something?
Cryptic99 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feed his neck to isis
Celdra ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a murder but not a loss.
Lyianx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did you read? He didnt die. She only used a pocket knife so he really wasnt that badly injured as he could have been.
Celdra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:52 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did not. Just had Cellblock tango in my head.
Lyianx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:44 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This feels sugar coated to favor the women, but, if completely true, then id say, justified.
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:41:14 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it weren't sugar coated or biased then what is the alternative?
Lyianx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:23:45 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just giving the facts of the events, not holding back information to make it more dramatic or making one side look better than the other.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:26 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One side being a twelve-year-old girl and the other side being the man raping her? Yeah, I'd say one side is better than the other.
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, you're taking this story at face value. All you have to go on, is what is written. News outlets love to rile people up, and its clearly working on you.
You are ignoring the fact that what you just said by itself is wrong.. im not saying otherwise (despite your implication). All im saying is, one news source, telling one side of the story, isnt enough for me to get out my pitch fork any more. Too many news outlets have lied or withheld information Just to encourage that response.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See my other reply to you.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what way? What imaginary scenario have you cooked up where a child victim of rape and the mother defending her are in the wrong and the rapist is unfairly maligned?
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How its written now? none... but dont pretend news outlets dont sensationalize their stories to pull in viewers or get people to side one way or the other. Political stories are PRIME example of that and even more so, in sexual crimes, the majority of the time the male is always suspect first, before any females.
Don't get me wrong (which you clearly did already), how its written and told by them, makes the guy look super bad, and there is credit in that hes not responding, but there have been stories in the past that one side looked very bad, until later evidence shifted the blame.
That's why i say, if everything written is the FULL truth, and they are not hiding anything for the sake of shock value and views, then yea, the guy got less than he deserved.
I've just become very skeptical of seemingly one sided stories until i hear both sides.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me an example from your post history where you're expressing this level of skepticism about a case that isn't a man raping or sexually assaulting a girl or woman.
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Start with this
Here is another
This is somewhat bias, but relivant
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:52 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. It appears that in your case you just don't trust the cops to do their job properly or the media to report it fairly. My apologies - reddit's overall agenda when it comes to sexual assault it weird and disturbing, and I made an assumption.
Lyianx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:05 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given all ive seen reported on and in some cases, the backtracking they do, i really don't. Not at face value anyway.
My only agenda when it comes to sexual assault is that they better be dam sure.. especially when crap like this happens.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is an absolutely horrifying case.
crazybusdriver ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 15:21:33 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion: The only innocent one is the girl. The mom let him get access to her daughter in the first place. He's a despicable monster that should be castrated in my opinion, but the mom invited this monster to her and her daughter's home. I know that nobody walks around with a sign saying "I am a molesting creep", but as a parent with a young girl, you better believe there will be some thorough vetting before I leave my daughter alone with someone.
funnyterminalillness ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:47:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please shut up. Nobody is omniscient, and you have no idea what this guy was like.
crazybusdriver ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know anything about the guy except that he's a molesting predator. I don't know anything about the mom either, so yes, it's possible she was convincingly mislead for a long time. It's also possible that she was careless in securing her daughter's safety?
funnyterminalillness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is possible, yea. But jumping to that conclusion with little information is callous and stupid
username734269 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:57:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh go away. We don't know any of the details. There's no foolproof way to vet for something like that, and no one can realistically supervise their kid and partner 24/7.
crazybusdriver ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. There's no 100% foolproof way. But just as there are women being convincingly lied to there are also situations with warning signals being ignored that put innocent children in harms way.
SeahawkTJ ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the mother isn't lying and the daughter covering for her, then yes he should be castrated.
But If the mother is lying she needs to be locked up for attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and filing a false police report.
Y______ ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 15:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: primitive people. y'all stupid. the appropriate response was calling the police.
PECOSbravo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:59:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, let's not become enraged when someone tries to rape your daughter. Let's be calm, call 911 and let him rape her while we wait for the police to arrive some 20-30 minutes later
ninioquiroz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:09:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like reddit constantly sympathizes with the pedophiles or anything...
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PECOSbravo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man knew she was there, he didn't care. He proceeded to attempt to rape her anyway.
Someone who is deranged , or mentally unstable- doesn't have the same thought process as a normal logical human being would.
If she didn't intervene and just stood there and said : hey can you stop raping my daughter please? He would probably continue.
XEssentialCryIceIs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude, she totally should have just turned around and walked out the door to phone the police while this shit continued to rape her 12 year old daughter. What an asshole she is for coming to the defense of a child that was in immediate, physical danger /s
an_eye_out ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 15:23:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody here thinks it's okay to stab someone repeatedly. Of course raping a your 12 year old daughter (or anyone) is goddamn atrocious, but I feel like the stabbing goes against what the judicial system is all about. Wouldn't a video and a call to the police have been better?
I'm not american so maybe I don't fully understand your defence culture.
Nomanorus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If my daughter were being raped, I'd do whatever I have to in order to save her. I'm not just going to watch someone rape her while waiting for the police. I'd call them, but I'd take action in the meantime.
HHHikari ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you better be ready for some reaction as well lmao.
an_eye_out ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't hitting him over the head and allowing the daughter to escape work? She stabbed him 4 times in the chest and once in the back of his head, pretty sure he was done "attempting to touch her" after the first stab.
Nomanorus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know that. We have substantial scientific evidence that shows adtrenaline can allow people to ignore serious injury in order to achieve their goal is their emotions are strong enough. I would do whatever it takes to stop him and that includes not leaving anything to chance.
Doobie-Keebler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but the judicial system is inept, impotent, incompetent, and ineffective. It's a game at best. And corrections? That's a joke. The government doesn't care about people, it cares about costs, and keeping people in prison costs a lot.
VirialCoefficientB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when should the mom's values, or anyone's really, align with the justice system? Personally, knowing the bullshit that idiots in government think is "justice" I'd have killed the fucker too.
an_eye_out ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idiots in government are politicians, not judges.
VirialCoefficientB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:01 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judges are idiots too and here they're part of government.
LativianHeat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:35:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Yea let me me record this man raping my daughter real sharp thinking guy
an_eye_out ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:37:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or grab your camera like everyone does at every goddamn moment and immediately stop him on film?
LativianHeat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he can kill you first? I'm not sure if you're aware but a charge like that would ruin your life and if you're already the biggest piece of human scum, being violent isn't out of the question
an_eye_out ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:55:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did she have to stab him 5 times though, including once in the back of the head? I'm pretty sure 4 stabbings in his chest was probably enough to make him stop.
LativianHeat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To kill the man raping your daughter, it's not really that far fetched to kill the dude ruining your daughters life
firakasha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hang on honey, I know it hurts and every second is another decade of emotional scarring but daddy's just gotta run back upstairs to grab his phone real quick. My thoughts and prayers are with you <3"
For your children's sake I hope you're never in this situation.
an_eye_out ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:34 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for fucks sake. What a stupid comment. If you don't have a phone don't take a video. All I'm saying is she was far more violent than she needed to be and now she'll end up in jail and her daughter will have no parents.
firakasha ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So she should have just slapped him and then hoped he quit and didn't seriously injure and/or kill herself or her daughter? Because we all know that child rapists are the most sane, understanding group of people and you can just talk them down.
Why are you trying so hard to defend a child rapist here?
an_eye_out ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said I'm not defending him. I'm just against the wife's reaction. That's very different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're retarded pal. What kind of reaction is she supposed to have? You are one of those idiots who lives in a fairytale world where only magically perfect solutions exist, and all you can do is criticize real solutions. WHAT SHOULD SHE HAVE DONE? If you cannot offer an alternative then you are just mentally masturbating and are delusional.
jejeba86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's not the problem.
And I bet you are not a father, and that's why you don't understand.
A man is raping your daughter, do you really expect something other then exploding rage?
an_eye_out ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that if somebody was raping my daughter I'd be very angry. However, he may not have raped her. What he did do is likely wrong, so don't think I'm on his side. However, stabbing him 5 times was probably excessive.
OkAlrightMeToo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god are you seriously saying you should stop, pull out a camera and record evidence all while your daughter is being raped in front of you? There's no possible way you are that retarded.
an_eye_out ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:16 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the article. He wasn't raping her. He probably had raped her in the past, but this time he was "trying to touch her".
gotenks1114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am american, and there is no justice system. There are only bloodthirsty mobs, racist cops, and a traitorous president. It's a real shithole tbh.
sysadminbj ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:10:23 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He should sign that ball and give it to that lineman he staircased as a final blow.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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snakey08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Everyone loves vampires. Evidence: True Blood, Twilight
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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snakey08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:34 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I didn't realize Twilight and True Blood was real.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:38 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TylerKSU ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:05:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pornhub's fault for suggesting incest related videos for the past few months.
Kodlaken ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:35:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously fucked in the head those two, makes sense how they were a couple. The man is a pedophile who wants to fuck his girlfriend's daughter, and the woman thinks it is perfectly fine to stab someone multiple times, from what I read there was no physical damage done before this crazy bitch stepped in with a knife.
How fucked in the head do you have to be to attack someone like that? It doesn't fucking matter what they are doing, it is never ok to physically hurt someone.
I am quite disgusted that everybody here thinks of this woman as a hero, I am not saying that this man doesn't deserve a life sentence in prison, but this woman should not have acted like that, two wrongs do not make a right.
theshadowfax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called being a parent.
If you don't feel a primal urge to fiercely protect your biological kids at all cost, you honestly kinda suck as a parent and maybe should think intensely on whether bringing a new life into the world that you're responsible for is a fit idea for you.
lejefferson ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a primal urge to crash in to the fucker who cut me off in traffic. The man had a "primal urge" to reproduce with the biolgically adult 12 year old. You don't do it because you're not a fucking savage and we're trying to have a civilization here. Y'all mother fuckers need less Batman, more constitution.
Kodlaken ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said at any point that she shouldn't have those feelings, but acting on them is another thing entirely, if everybody was allowed to get away with any "primal urge" then what this man is doing would be legal. Just because someone is doing something that is wrong doesn't give you the right to do something that is also wrong to them to stop them from doing said wrong thing.
BijouPyramidette ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was she supposed to do? Politely ask him to leave?
"Kindly stop sexually assaulting my daughter, please and thank you. And if you could leave, that would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks, boo <3"
Yeah, I'm sure that would have worked real well.
lejefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because the only possible options in this scenario are to politley ask the man over a cup of tea to cease and desist or stab him 5 times in the back and head.
Wonderful critical thinking skills random redditor.
BijouPyramidette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would you have done?
Kodlaken ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:10:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anybody is fucked in the head enough to continue to sexually assault someone's daughter right in front of them so her presence would be enough for him to stop what he was doing. But then you have the problem of what the man does now he has been caught, I don't think he was violent at any point though seeing as this woman was able to leave the room to get a knife and also call for help.
So from the information provided, she stumbled upon her boyfriend raping her daughter, he did not act violently towards either of them, she leaves to call for help and returns to the room with a knife to stab him, she seemingly had plenty of time to think about how fucked up that would be, but she does it anyway. It is one thing to attack someone for doing something so absolutely despicable in the heat of the moment, but she probably had at least a minute or two to think about how drastic that is so I don't buy the "primal urge" thing.
BijouPyramidette ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:40 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault IS violence. That's why it's called assault.
Secondly, you must have missed this in the article:
She had her pocket knife with her, he attempted to strangle her, and after she kicked him out of the house, he tried to force his way back in.
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault may be violence, but this man did not try to harm this little girl physically, at least not according to the article. The only harm done to the girl was caused by a knife the mother introduced into the situation. If the mother hadn't have taken out the knife the daughter and the mother would, probably, be totally unscathed and this man would be in prison.
He also did not provoke the woman, at least according to the article. As far as the article goes, she started the fight with him, and since there is no word against that from the man we can only say that is what happened, meaning the man wasn't doing anything to harm either of them, and she decides to start shit that didn't need to be started. Which in my eyes, makes her fucked in the head.
BijouPyramidette ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't fucking even...
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is it written in the article that the little girl was physically harmed by the man? The only harm I can see that she had taken was from the knife, which was after the rape, so he never physically harmed the girl. If you are going to express your inability to believe me then at least provide proof as to why I am wrong.
BijouPyramidette ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This answer your question?
Kodlaken ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She wasn't hurt though so I don't see how that answers my question.
Ghaarial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Define "hurt" then? Can it be emotional or only physical? If it must be physical, does it have to last a certain duration? Last more than an hour? A day? A week? Does it have to result in chronic pain? Do we draw the "true" hurt line at pain that's more unpleasant than a paper cut, or is less okay? Must it leave a scar? Draw blood? Leave visible trauma? Does it have to be a bruise or will a red mark work? Why? Who the fuck are you to decide?
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:28:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say hurting someone would be making them experience pain, which as far as I am aware can only happen if your body is damaged physically. I am saying she wasn't hurt because the article doesn't mention anything about it, you would think she would tell the police if she was physically harmed wouldn't you? And it would then be mentioned in the article just as the lacerations were mentioned, if she was hurt during the rape then the woman is justified because there is a potential threat to her daughter's life currently in the room, and that should be removed. But if the man has just been caught raping her daughter, and then stops what he is doing, why is she allowed to attack him? If he has shown no intent to physically harm the girl then there is no reason to get violent with him. It is just unnecessary and wrong since there is no current threat to either of them, meaning there is no need to defend anybody.
Ghaarial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's allowed to attack him because United States law says you can use lethal force to defend yourself or another human being from an impending or active sexual assault. Being a naked adult man laying on top of a twelve year old child is showing intent to physically harm her. He was stabbed first in the back before he started violently strangling and attacking the mother, supporting the mother and child's story that she caught him in the act.
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She may be legally allowed to attack him, but I don't believe there was a need to do that.
BijouPyramidette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't see how being sexually assaulted as a 12 year old child by an adult man constitutes being hurt, then there's nothing to be done for you because you're morally helpless. You are either supportive of pedophilia or a pedophile yourself and my only hope is the cops get to you before you have a chance to hurt anyone.
ShowMeYourM0ves ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think stabbing a child rapist really constitutes being fucked in the head
Kodlaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I do. Looking at it objectively, stabbing someone else is wrong, so stabbing a child rapist is wrong. Raping someone is wrong and so raping a child is wrong. So can you tell my why doing the former is right and the latter is wrong? The way I see it, doing bad things should be bad regardless of the victim. Apparently a lot of people disagree with that though, which confuses me. If I were to go into a prison and shoot every single inmate, I would be arrested and thrown in prison, for the same reason why this mother is fucked in the head, unprovoked violence is wrong.
Ghaarial ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to the law (and everyone except dipshits like you defending this violent rapist), stabbing someone else in defense of another person isn't wrong at all. Mother was 100% justified.
Those inmates were not in the process of committing a crime. They were sentenced and serving their punishment. Shooting them would be retaliation. What the mother did is called defense.
IT WASN'T UNPROVOKED AT ALL. HE WAS ACTIVELY TRYING TO COMMIT RAPE.
Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the man did was wrong, what the woman did was defend her daughter from a man who was trying to do bad things to her, but stabbing someone is wrong in any situation, there are better ways to handle the situation, unless the man is violent first then the woman has no right to attack him with a knife, that is all I am saying. I am not saying that the man should have been let go or that the girl should toughen up because rape ain't no thang. I am saying that stabbing someone is wrong no matter why you are doing it. I am not saying that you should be able to suppress the urge to kill someone who has just raped your daughter, but it is the right thing to do.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kodlaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is Rand?
Ghaarial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're seriously trying to draw moral equivalence between a violent child rapist and a mother defending her daughter from said violent child rapist?
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 23:31:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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blitzwit143 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:41:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is a legitimate question, it's because a child is naive, easily coerced, and does not have the capacity to consent to something as serious as a sexual relationship. They lack the ability to comprehend the serious repercussions of such a relationship, including the possibility of disease, pregnancy, and emotional damage. The fact that an adult comprehends that a child is neither physically nor mentally capable of such a commitment and they pursue it anyway is repulsive, and reflects a pathological problem. It's like asking why people want to hurt people that torture puppies.
shoppedvendetta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because humans (and most living things) feel a biological imperative to protect children against predators that threaten them?
Veldora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe you even said that. When you see your children being molested are you just going to stand there and do nothing?? I would find a nearby object and stab the crap out of that pedo.
--who ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:22 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'd beat him, but not because he's a pedophile, but because he's probably stronger than me and I can't get him to stand down any other way while I call the police
northpaul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:40 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? They might be mentally ill and in some form pitiable but they destroy people's lives - children's lives. And then sometimes those poor children become attracted to children when they get older because of the trauma. The whole thing is awful and of course people hate those who are responsible. Even in prison with murderers and other criminals it is easy to see that absolutely no one has pity for pedophiles because what they do is just so reprehensible that any possibility of pitying then is nearly impossible.
commander_nice ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:51:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering the same. They're not stupid, bastards, cunts, or assholes. They're not evil incarnate. They're human beings messed up in the head and I believe they can change. The prevailing sentiment in these comments seems to be similar to that which enabled stoning as a form of capital punishment.
It may not have been necessary to stab the guy. We don't have the full details.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:20:08 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you would have done what? Asked him politely to please stop raping your child and sit quietly while the police came. Or just let him finish because he couldn't help himself? Mental illness is one thing but it doesn't justify rape would you allow someone to rape you or your child because they just need a little therapy?
commander_nice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:54:28 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, what he did is definitely wrong and she should have done whatever necessary to stop him, but stabbing is a last resort and I'm not certain it was necessary in this case. Though, it's understandable when those emotions flow through you and I don't think she should be charged, but she should have an examination. Stabbing someone is pretty extreme no matter the situation. I can tell you I wouldn't have it in me to stab him.
I'm not defending pedophiles, just saying two wrongs don't make a right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:30 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see another way for her to stop him. But I appreciate your point of view
Wicck ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:59:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no, I'd call kiddie rape evil incarnate. Don't lay that kind of behavior on mental illness.
--who ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:59 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you elaborate? Also mental illness seems like a plausible cause for pedophilia but what makes you think otherwise?
Wicck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:04 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pedophilia is more likely a part of a personality disorder, which is not a mental illness. It's literally a malformed personality, more nurture than nature in most cases. Mental illness, OTOH, is due to one or more neurochemical imbalances, whether innate or due to some sort of brain damage (such as methylation of the brain's DNA in PTSD); they should technically be classed with conditions like Alzheimer's and ADD.
Most pedophiles have traits related to antisocial or narcissistic personality disorder. The two have a lot of crossover. They also get off on power and control. Things that many state are attractive about children are weakness, innocence, and vulnerability. This indicates a dangerously controlling and exceedingly narcissistic personality--think type A on steroids. This is not a factor in any mental illness I've seen that's not combined with a personality disorder.
In short, pedophiles aren't crazy. They're just complete bastards.
trevcagh ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 14:53:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that she was in a relationship and let a person with a mindset like that into her home shows a lack of judgment on her part. A person capable of carrying out an act like that will definitly have tells in their character.
skoolboyjew ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:16:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not always. Not all pedophiles are strange acting neck-beards. Some of them look and act the most trust-worthy. You could literally have a sexual predator in your family and never know it.
trevcagh ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:22:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, im not saying they are strange. Getting intimate with anyone means hours of conversation and physical interaction. You should be able to tell a persons limits and moral or immoral boundaries base on what say or dont say, or do.
skoolboyjew ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:42:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm saying you can't always tell what kind of person someone truly is no matter how much time you spend with them. Like when someone has an affair for years and years and keeps it from their spouse.
trevcagh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean "You" can. You dont need to know exactly who someone is, just know that people are capable of anything, and people change. In short trust only people you have leverage on.
skoolboyjew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just completely changed your argument. FOH.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:11 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're a mind reader, you'll never know another person completely.
People outside the realm of socially acceptable morals are often adept at either lying to themselves or to others.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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funnyterminalillness ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:45:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're either really naive or completely dense. You can't tell someone is a sexual deviant and rapist a lot of the time, rape is often quite dependent on the fact
kasuchans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, people are very very good at hiding their horrible tendencies. My rapist is rather beloved in his fraternity.
trevcagh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are good at being fake. What I do is, I assume anyone I dont know shit about is capable of any and everything and whatever they claim to be could just be a mask.
captainxela ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:01:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He got a stab for a stab I guess
Gogert777 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could not resist I guess.
Wealthyman1 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:21:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I had a daughter I would buy her one of those long, slippery-ass dildos.
ssundfor ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:46:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit hive mind is going crazy. If anything the stabbing is traumatic for the child and unless he was attacking her maybe even unnecessary, while of course she lost her mind, I wouldn't call it a good deed like some of you intend to say it is.
rkraft420 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:14:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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reflectivewanderer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this skitzophrenic nonsense ? Lay off the emotes and the crack pipe friend..
a_fking_feeder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the post looks like so much brain vomit, i could only hope it's a copypasta
Salexandrez ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:57:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so it is very evident that what this man did was fucked up and wrong, but is it really right to fucking throw this man into a wood chipper? I don't know, I don't feel like you should fight fire with fire. If someone does something horrible to you, you don't do something horrible in return, as you throw yourself down to near or on their level. The woman was right to stab the man as it stopped him from committing his delisuonal and horrendous act, anymore would have been unnecessary. This man should be apprehended from doing this awful shit in the future, but what he needs most is some serious therapy that devises why he did this act and find how he ended up deluding himself. Society won't improve if we be-rid ourselves of criminals by sending them to prison. Rather we should find what caused them to commit the crime so that we can prevent others who may potentialy commit similar crimes from ever doing them. What I'm trying to say is that our system of law is not working for a long term solution to remove crimes from happening in the first place and is instead applying short solutions (such as imprisonment) that are never going to stop these horrors from happening in the first place
thekateone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:11 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, fuck him. There's really no rehabilitation for child rapists.
olivespecter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:19 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, as someone who passionately advocates for rehabilitation before imprisonment, opposes the death penalty, and tries hard to see the good in people...... there's no rehab for molesters/rapists. Ever.
Darklich1234 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:01:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just love man. She should get the death penalty for interfering with love.
reddit4rms ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if she was lying and she was just vengeful because she was angry at him for different reason? There has been many news where women even falsely accuse men of rape.
ArdvarkMaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since the daughter's account included sexual assault and the daughter underwent an examination for sexual assault, unless that examination comes back negative, that dude is going to jail for rape.
Eyewitnesses are notorious for getting it wrong. That's why forensics are so important to cases like this.
reddit4rms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes let the truth has the final say and not like so many reddit users who have already made their judgement.
funnyterminalillness ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I understand her reaction, I'm now worried about what sentence she faces (if any) for arguably going beyond reason when defending her child.
Oscalev ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until you have a child and find some dude violating them like that. Guarantee you will go beyond reason as well.
funnyterminalillness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get why she did It, and I'm by no means blaming her, but if this guy gets a good lawyer she could be in trouble
Sly_Mong00se ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminder, Reddit, that people are innocent until proven guilty. Doesn't look too good for this guy though.
NewOpera ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like everyday Ohio. So glad I don't live in that state!
nineworldseries ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland is the Florida of Ohio
WingF1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:25 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a case like this, you have to wonder why she would boyfriend such a person. Don't judge a book by it's cover.
Mash_Ketchum ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT what if he just got out of the shower and had a towel around him and then the towel fell off and he tripped over the towel and landed on his daughter?
pinkpitbull ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't seem like justice. Seems more like tit for tat.
DruggyWitHo3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, that Indians win streak must be making people lose their minds out there.
ClawOfTheWest ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pics of all those involved?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:44:12 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're weird.
darthbone ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, being super goddamn pissed, and maybe even violent, is completely justified.
Whether or not STABBING was justified, I guess that comes down to a matter of (ill-informed) consent.
My adult SO is getting "consentually" freaky with my 12-yo child, that's definitely a paddlin.
My adult SO is RAPING my 12-yo child, that's a stabbin'.
Shemiki ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, in Canada the woman would've been charged and the man would've been let off scot-free, because bleedinghearts.
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acf6b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how is that? i have never thought about doing something, hear of someone else get stabbed multiple times for doing it and thought, damn i definitely have to do that now!
Rosebunse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have always been pedophiles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people with those kind of attractions don't try to hold a kid down and force themselves inside of them though.
Rosebunse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But some do. The thing is, if you are a pedophilia, don't put yourself in a position where you might not be able to control yourself. Don't date women with children, don't be around children, and understand your limitations.
That being said, this guy may have been closer to a sexual sadist than a true pedophile, so who knows?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who can physically force someone down and rape them is a sociopath, regardless of the age of victims they target. Also most of the time when actual violent rape is involved sexual attraction to the victim is less important than feelings of power. What I'm trying to say is, he may or may not even be a pedophile.
Rosebunse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, not all sociopaths are violent or pedophiles. Many of them aren't even bad people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All other shit aside, the guy definitely deserved to get stabbed.
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Sudsworthy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Canada has no kiddy rapists? I can assure you that is not the case, eh?
scared_pony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what would you do if you came how to find your boyfriend raping your daughter? Apologize for intruding?
bbuk11 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple more incidents like this and he may never be offered a job by the Trump administration.
psiko74 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC has all the pedos
bbuk11 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang....... I thought it was the Christian churches
psiko74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the Catholic ones
bbuk11 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now don't be ignoring all those pedo Mormons
psiko74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:13 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Islam child brides
ruthekangaroo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All? We just went through the Dennis Hastert thing a couple years ago cmon .
jiemmy4free ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:30:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12 Yo is reasonably mature, even more kids these day.
SirawesomesauceIII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seek help. Seriously, your comment is not okay even as a joke.
redguy989 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though what this man did is indefensible, it wasnt the proper respone for the women to stab him. This chould have ended with his death.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:30 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And should have.
Ryulightorb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed he deserves punishment but she shouldn't of done that though I would want to also so I can't blame her
falls_asleep_reading ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only about .1% of parents would not have done the same. I don't even have biological children and I would have done the same damned thing to an adult who I found in this particular situation with a child.
Also, should've is a contraction of the phrase "should have." Should of is word salad. I'm sorry. It's just that it's nails on chalkboard to me. :(
Ryulightorb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:35 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I don't blame her and sorry my grammar is terrible.
Saphirus117 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:23:02 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many downvotes can I collect for being a little disgusted that nearly all of the people in this thread are advocating for murder? "Sex is the worst thing you can do to someone! And they were 12, that's practically an infant!" My sister has been dating boys since she was 10. My partner keeps getting creepy flirty messages in a game by a girl that claims to be 13. Don't fucking tell me someone over the age of 10 is somehow incapable of romantic or sexual feelings.
I'm not defending the guy, I don't know what really happened. His actions are inappropriate, should be a registered sex offender, and should probably face jail time. But it's always bothered me that people's brains turn off if they hear "under 18" and anything sexual, and they instantly turn into fucking savages. "He was NAKED on her??? Fucking cut off his dick and claw out his eyes, feed him to animals" Christ.
People have finally come to accept that gay people are "born that way" and can't help their sexuality. Somehow it's still a death sentence to accidentally be born attracted to anyone under 18. By the way, here's some definitions for you guys since nobody seems to understand the words they are using:
"Pedophile" - Someone attracted to prepubescent children. This is not a crime. This doesn't make someone a rapist.
"Hebephile" someone attracted to pubescent (early adolescent) children, typically ages 11โ14. This is not a crime. This doesn't make someone a rapist.
But it's ok, clearly I'm probably the bad person. I'm probably a dirty pedophile. Or an Apologist. That's just as bad. What's wrong with me, do I HATE children?? Nah, I just think rationally, don't get overly emotional, and actually think things through before jumping to conclusions. I'm also of the controversial stance that there's no justifiable reason to stab someone to death.
StopCallingMeGeorgia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:32:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the issue isn't that he wanted to fuck her, it's that he did. That literally does make him a rapist. :/
winepigsandmush ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:49:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much. He's not going to be charged with Thoughtcrime.
He's going to be charged with Unlawful Sexual Connection With Person (s) under the age of 16, or the local equivalent.
Indoril_Nerevar95 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you see your twelve year old daughter getting fucked by your boyfriend and don't see justification of stabbing the guy who is raping your 12 year old daughter, then good for you, you paragon of morality.
WyoVolunteer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are allowed to be a necrophiliac but if you force that on someone else then self defense kicks in.
Saphirus117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Necrophilia? Self defense? Dead bodies can't... What are you...? Huh?
WyoVolunteer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:03 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need not accede to others kinks unwillingly and deadly force is justified. It's really that simple.
Saphirus117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not. Do you know what these things are? A kink is like being into BDSM or being pissed on. (This is dealt with using a safe word, not deadly force.) Necrophilia is having sex with a dead body. These are not equatable and having nothing to do with being attracted to kids.
WyoVolunteer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My advise is don't use "harder" as a safe word. Call it what you will. If in your concupiscence you force yourself upon another they can use deadly force for defense. At least here in America.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:50 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're looking at a situation in which a man raped a barely pubescent girl, and your reaction is that people shouldn't be so angry about it. What's wrong with you?
Gay people are also not allowed to commit rape. This is a disgusting false equivalency and you should be ashamed of yourself.
badmother ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:56:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could at least have waited until she was 13, and past puberty...
Downvote all you like, but at least 5-10% of all men would, if they thought they could get away with it.
To be clear, I'd have murdered the fucker if I'd caught him on my child.
lilbisc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:57:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think we know YOU would.
Don't give yourself so much credit as to believe that 10% of men are as weird as you.
badmother ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2013/11/18/one-ten-men-sexually-attracted-children/
100s of sources. I'm in the industry and know far more than you'd care to.
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badmother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:00 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do girls magically become sexually attractive on the birthday where they reach the age of consent in whatever region you happen to be? Or is it some weirdo thing like once a girl is mature enough to breed, men find her attractive?
edit: I've fucked a few 16 and 17yo. Have you?
lejefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really confused by modern day puritanical society. Biologically girls go through puberty around age 11. There is every possibility that this girl had already gone through puberty which means that for all intents and purposes she is biologically an adult. But because a laws says you can't have sex with a girl until she's 18 you all want to vilify people as disgusting because they are biologically attracted to adults of the same species. Makes no sense.
For the vast majority of human society and even in almost all non westernized countries today a girl who has gone through puberty is considered an adult who is capable of having sex and adult relationships.
Transgirl120 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who wants to play "who's more fucked up??"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the naked man on top of the child.
Shitstaynes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other side of the spectrum, I work at a nursing home, taking care of the elderly. A month ago I was bathing one of the elderly female residents and when I tried to remove her nightgown to clean her, she grabbed onto it with one hand and covered her genitals with the other. I had worked with her for over a year and this was completely new behavior.
She has dementia, but is still able to communicate to a degree (understanding what she means is challenging but you can often learn someones language if you work with them long enough). She started yelling about "The man!" and "Get him away!"
I immediately stopped what I was doing and covered her back up. I tried asking her questions, but didn't receive any discernable responses. She just clutched her gown and covered herself with all of her might.
Then it occurred to me that one of the aides that worked on this assignment the night before was investigated a while back for "improper behavior" with a resident. Hey wasn't fired due to lack of evidence and witnesses, and my place being the complete shithole it is "fixed" the problem by moving him to a different floor. I asked the woman about the guy and she immediately reacted with "GET HIM AWAY!"
I left the room to report everything to my supervisor when I see the guy standing at the front desk shooting the shit with a nurse. My adrenaline and anger took over and I walked right up to him. Heart pounding, I said "Room 231A is in there scared to death and yelling about some man like she was attacked! Know anything about that??!" He jumped up, got into a defensive posture like he was either going to hit me or scream at me, and said "Reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight. No immunities apply."
__KODY__ ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give her the fuckin' key to the city.
Edit: Oh, I see there are supporters of child molestation in here. ๐
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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javi404 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm missing the connection with "broken home" and this fear of all males you have.
Kylethedarkn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus you people are vengeful, judgemental and emotional as hell. If you think assault begets repeated potentially fatal stabbing you have something off.
Skavis ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why is this on the front page?... not sure I'll stick around Reddit too much longer if all you people only love (sorry, I mean upvote) the most twisted stuff that certainly does not need to be seen or read.
MrFuzzynutz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:17 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be new lol this is what Reddit is all about lol
Voydspektre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, don't leave, whatever will we do without you?
marin1111 ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 15:31:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her ... sounds like a feminist
No_More_Candy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, there are only two groups in the US that consistently try to get the age of consent lowered: redpill types and religious fundamentalists.
HenryClayTheGoat ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will either get buried or downvoted, but I believe that this woman had no right to stab this man. Yes, he deserves severe punishment, but it is not her place to mete out said punishment as she sees fit. The United States has a working justice system to handle such a situation. Do I sympathize with the rapist? No. He's a terrible person. But do I think she acted correctly by stabbing him? No, I do not.
XEssentialCryIceIs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, she caught him in the act, and from the sound of the report was stopping him from continuing to rape her child. Her child was in immediate danger and she did what any decent human being would do to stop it. She didn't find out about after the fact and go hunt the guy down.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are also laws providing for the defense of another, as well as temporary insanity defense. Your actions against someone raping your kid would surely fall into these categories, providing that is what actually happened.,
pctech86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you supposed to do if somebody is physically assaulting your child? Stand by and say "get off her mister I'm calling the cops!" so he can get her pregnant by the time the police show up? You realize that you have a right to protect your family and your property right?
This wasn't her punishing him as much as it was getting him to stop, as will be seen by the jury, if she even is charged (which she undoubtedly will not be)
HenryClayTheGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've posted this in reply to another comment on my original comment as well.
In Ohio, defense can only be claimed if the defender has
I believe that stabbing him five times in his body and once in the back of the head was not the only means of escaping from such danger. I think there were less drastic measures she could've taken that did not include repeatedly stabbing the man. Now, if I were her, I might have done the same thing too. However, that doesn't excuse the fact that she stabbed him, at least in my mind.
Areveas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:09 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand what the word "punishment" means if you think it applies in any way to what happened. Punishment is something that is done after the crime as an act of retribution. This was acting in defense of someone else.
HenryClayTheGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Ohio, defense can only be claimed if the defender has
I believe that stabbing him five times in his body and once in the back of the head was not the only means of escaping from such danger. I think there were less drastic measures she could've taken that did not include repeatedly stabbing the man. Now, if I were her, I might have done the same thing too. However, that doesn't excuse the fact that she stabbed him, at least in my mind.
Kaynin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct, the right way of doing things is getting quick proof with a phone & calling the cops.
Also the use of chloroform on the guy would be good too.
I do like how they dont specify what race/nationality so we can only assume this guy is a Caucasian by a default. I really would like more details than just a dude got stabbed for being on top of a 12yrold.
Talkinboutfootball ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 19:01:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no doubt she will get the pussypass. she alrady is getting it from this thread.
ATX_native ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:02:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Da fuq? She found the man sexually assaulting her daughter. I would give anyone a pass.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:58 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're so blinded by misogynistic rage that you're siding with a child rapist. Just think about that for a moment.
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whitesicario ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:36 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's address the root cause of this pedo problem. Either ban loli's and all child porn masquerading as hentai or lower the age of consent.
Svataben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know rapes of minors were a thing before japanophiles, right?
pocketrocketsingh ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:01:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question to the candle light brigade here: Will there be a protest if the man dies?
Bbols23 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't fuck with people from Cleveland. It's shitty enough that everyone is ready to get violent. Lol
rstwr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope that they both get the punishment they deserve.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am gonna wait to see if the dude really was fucking a child before I get my rage boner up. For all I know she just stabbed the dude over some dumb shit and is lying about the child rape cause she knows people shut off their brains when they hear shit like that.
"Nah. Ya'll can keep going. I'll catch the next bandwagon Reddit."
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Voydspektre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you sick fuck.
ChessClubChamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:32 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To get stabbed? Yeah.
Babbit_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:07 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get off reddit. Go outside and play. Work on your interpersonal skills. Don't date until you're less stupid.
TikeMyson31 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 20:19:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that woman rots in prison for what she did
Moonlawl ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 15:17:59 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get married to the father of your children.
pericles123 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is perhaps the most ignorant statement I've read on reddit in quite some time, I hope you are kidding
Moonlawl ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:34:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't think things like this would happen less in an intact family?
emptyshelI ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:51:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Statistically children are more likely to be sexually assaulted by a blood relative. Facts disagree with you.
Moonlawl ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about full on rape? The fact is having a functional family household is much better for the child.
pericles123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that the divorce rate is ~50%, right? You don't think this could happen with a step-father, who is married to the mother?
Moonlawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:39 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it could happen. The blood father is less likely to rape his own daughter.
pericles123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And as I said before, there is a near 50% chance that the parents are going to get divorced, so your idea that marriage solves everything is completely wrong.
Moonlawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are those 2 related? I would say the children in the not divorced household would be better off regardless of the percentage. The 50% divorce rate is way off btw. It includes people who get divorced multiple times.
pericles123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put your bible down and wake up - there is nothing that shows that children in a household with a married mother and father are better off or safer than children in a household with - gasp - a single parent. This is 2017, not 1717.
This is an awful tragedy for that 12 year old girl - your holier than you BS doesn't belong in here.
Moonlawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are so wrong. The evidence is overwhelming. Single parent households show a strong correlation between inter-generational poverty.
pericles123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you isolate the data to modern times
TDeath21 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 15:18:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As of right now is it his word vs hers? Criminal charges are likely if there's no actual evidence he did anything to the 12 year old.
TimeTravelMishap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if only there was a 3rd party involved who could back up the mothers story..
hrm. nope. can't think of anybody else who was involved in this except those 2.
TDeath21 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:29:47 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not an unbiased party though. I'm talking about physical evidence.
qwilliams92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two first hand eye witness accounts.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 15:58:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dano8801 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Homosexuals and transsexuals are not perverts...
BMeyerBA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:29 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inherently* anyone can be, so this word is a must
dano8801 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, good point.
But his wording suggested that all homosexuals and transsexuals are perverts. This isn't the 50's and that shit don't fly anymore.
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people are slow or are acting as if they are to make the world easier to navigate, like humans always have.
The issue isnt someone's sexuality, or what they identify as, it's victims turning into perps. So many kids and young people are molested in the world, people like Chester Bennington won't turn into a perp but instead eventually commit suicide. Others will turn to various forms of self harm like hoarding or overeating. Some recover almost entirely. The rest, become what they were taught...
I dont really have an answer for the pedo problem. Sometimes I'm angry and want them euthanised because of the many child sex rings that exist. Sometimes I just think the pedos should have their own little island, like Australia was (allegedly) a home for criminals at one point. I want the damaged but good pedos to live fulfilling lives, but it's so hard to do that when so many of them are already rotten to their core. GAH! SAVE OUR BOYS AND GIRLS YA'LL! If it takes stabbing an active pedo to save a child, ANY child, do it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:02:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Harold_Shmarold ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot about the non ternary trisexuals.
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drumczar ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:43 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's always some scum bag boyfriend that does shit like this. I am sorry to the woman for the stupidity and carelessness of SOME not ALL of my gender. This creep is not a man. I would gladly beat to death any person I saw harming a child.
gotenks1114 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No true man
drumczar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:06 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard way too many of these types of stories. Usually the boyfriend. NOT ALWAYS, but usually.
icecoldpopsicle ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People will celebrate this crime because of another crime... sad world of idiots I live in.
respectfulpanda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:05 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does not seem to be premeditated, it seems to be temporary insanity being brought on due to defending their kids.
Celebrate? No.
Has she committed a crime? Not in my opinion.
tudytoo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:27:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a child here...who has been raped probably multiple times...and your discussion never addresses criminal male behaviour...and indeed will down vote this post out of sight...Grow a pair Dicks...Rape is a male issue.
AlphaHermit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't usually engage with misandrists, but you should really share your opinion with underaged males that female teachers have raped.
downvoats ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was a woman fucking a 12 year old boy and his dad had stabbed her, everyone ITT would be shitting all over the dad for assault.
sl1878 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:30:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they wouldnt.
downvoats ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you've never internetted before.
Half the comments in the thread would be this image in reference to the woman, and the other half would be whining about how when they were a 12 year old boy, they would have LOVED to be able to fuck an adult woman
sl1878 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internetted plenty. But none of your examples support your claims that the man would be called an abuser, only that simpleton dudes would be claiming they wanted to get laid at 12. BTW both your "half" arguments are for the same thing...
NewBallista ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh a lot of double standards over here. I definitely am not supporting this guy but I'm pretty sure the reaction would be a lot different if a guy found his wife with his 12 year old son.
Starter91 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:27 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex is bad , we get it mkay.
Prestigeboy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:38:17 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape and stabbing are both bad regardless of reason. She could have just beat him up or took video(for evidence) then called the cops.
theorangey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'll just film this...
Wdf1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beating the guy up or stabbing the guy are both violence..at least with the knife it was a fair fight, considering it was a lady and a 12 yr old fighting off a grown man.
Re-AnImAt0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:15 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stabbing is only bad if you don't catch that person raping your daughter. When you catch a man raping your child, stabbing is not only acceptable but also preferred if no gun is within reach.
damn shame she only had a pocket knife. If only there had been a Bowie or butcher's knife within reach.....
Xatencio00 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:03:23 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it illegal to lay naked on top of your girlfriend's 12-year old daughter?
coops678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:00 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This must be a sick joke but sigh... Here goes anyway:
Sexual activity with a minor of any age when the other party is of legal age is always rape or molestation regardless of "consent" or circumstance. Specifically it is statutory rape, sexual abuse/assault, or child molestation. Any type of "consent", real or imagined, is always nullified by the lack of legal capacity of the minor. It is always a crime for a person of legal age to engage in sexual activity with a minor. It is correctly classified as rape, sexual abuse, or molestation from a legal (and arguably moral standpoint too). Always. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape http://www.kidslivesafe.com/child-safety/molestation
"In a police interview, the girl told investigators that the man touched her under her clothing, removed her pants and took his clothes off as well, the report says. The girl said that the man told her "this is what it is like in the real world when you have a boyfriend," before sexually assaulting her, the report says".
Xatencio00 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:13 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a joke. My intention was for people to read it as Randy Marsh.
coops678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:59 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to hear it, totally didn't make the link tho :(
Ewan_Robertson ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americans love their constitution, aslong as it is convienient for them lmfao.
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
lejefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit: KILL THE GUY ACCUSED OF HAVING SEX WITH THE 12 YEAR OLD WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A TRIAL A REVIEW OF THE EVIDENCE OR A SECOND SOURCE.
Jonlife ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most child abuse is subject to the men these single mothers chose to congregate with. Remember, this woman allowed this man into her house. Had she not seen the early signs that this guy was a sicko is on her.
But most single mothers lack being able to tell good judgment of character in others. They def lack impulse control (jumping into relationships with men that really fucks with their kids, this case in particular being the extreme of what kids in single parent households can go through).
Nolar2015 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:50:50 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the woman raped the daughter it wouldn't even reach headlines too...
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CarmenFandango ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:46 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust you see the continental divide there between the two groups that's called Consent.
nunzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a far cry between sexuality and non-consent. What is wrong with you?
humanysta ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should both go to jail.
fauimf ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:26:53 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, this gets almost 60k upvotes because everyone needs to know about this, right? No.
The purpose of Reddit, IMO, is to inform people of events that are important to know. This is not one of those events. Don't turn Reddit into the mainstream media.
Ilikewordsgood ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:16:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This incident was on the news. This subreddit is /r/news. Do you need further explanation?
LawandOrderRapist ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:41:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Always wait till the mom is gone. Thats rule #1
domesplitter13 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:07:41 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm, this is clearly not as important as a black kid getting killed by a cop for not complying.... Sorry, we have real issues to stand up and unite against.
lol, you dumb fucks.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:35:57 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lejefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:42 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The constitution called. It would like to have a conversation.
rokudaimehokage ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:22:28 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ that poor girl. First she gets raped and then her rapist is murdered on top of her. Probably still inside her.
HermitPrime ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should really read the article.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ismokeforfun2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:27:44 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a child molester
ShepardG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:51 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. See how our opinions differ.
TheeRighteous ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 14:55:21 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is Muslim! She is a bigot.
stuckfix ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:20:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His religion isn't mentioned in the article.
kkratos ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:14:52 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you guys think that murder is a bit of a overreaction? Long prison sentence yeah, but death?! I don't know man, doesn't really seem right
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's better when a citizen murders another citizen. When the state does it I agree it just doesnt seem right. I don't want a world full of vigilantes, but I do sympathise with them though. However they deserve the same punishment someone not out for revenge gets, just to be fair.
kkratos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:10 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I'm sorry but I don't think that citizens should murder themselves for any reason. I don't like the death sentence per se but I get why such a sentence may be issued in some cases. But these kind of things have to be handled by the state, not the regular citizen.
In this case: I totally understand the mother and her actions may be justified, but murder would've gone too far.
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way the state, the thing that's supposed to do no wrong onto its people, has executed quite a few TOO MANY innocent people is why I do not support it.
I am okay with citizens killing each other because it was the individuals choice to do it. The victim of the crime was only against another individual, not their nation.
I don't like crimes, especially violent ones, but it is human nature to protect what you find important to live. Crimes of passion (wife/husband/relative finding that someone they care about has been victimised/ unfaithful so they take immediate violent action is super common and it makes sense for it to happen. It'll never stop happening either. I'm okay with that. I'll do my best to avoid those situations and help others I know do the same.
Children carry on our bloodline so both men and women care a great deal for them. Women are precious because they are key to reproduction. Then there's men that we've grown to appreciate more but we still have a ways to go until they are as important as women and children. ~I'm rambling, sorry.
kkratos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:49 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to apologise. You're making good points. Yeah the state is supposed to do no wrong but in the end, it's run by human beings who unfortunately make mistakes every now and then.
And I certainly get why you would protect your loved ones and even kill for them but violence breeds violence. every time.
But I have another perspective than you, as I live in Germany, where there's a thing called "Verhรคltnismรครigkeit". Basically it's an eye for an eye thing. So if somebody gets raped, you as a citizen are allowed and even must help the victim. If you have to use force to help the victim, it's okay. But you can't really just shoot or stab the culprit as that is not really on the same grade as a rape for example.
BMeyerBA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:16 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright. Thank you for all of this information and taking the time to reply!
tbrfl ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:10:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is wrong and so is attempted murder. Assuming for the sake of argument that he actually was raping the girl, this was still not the right way to respond. Attack him, yes, force him out of the house and call for help, absolutely, but multiple stabs are too extreme. All of you who are advocating for the vigilante destruction of this man ought to be ashamed.
lyn816153 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:55 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shutup, you sissy. He was ON TOP of a child.
I'm a 70 year-old woman, and I have more stones than you.
ismokeforfun2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:31 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. I didn't think 70 year olds were capable of talking shit on Reddit lol. I completely agree with you as well
lyn816153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:43 on September 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yer granny might be watching Wheel of Fortune, but there is an entire underworld of old people on the Internet.
Most of them are pretty stupid, but...oh, well.
SeahawkTJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:41 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing your kid being raped is enough to send anyone over the edge. There is a temporary insanity defense for a reason If he was indeed raping the girl, then there is not a jury in the country that would convict the mom.
ismokeforfun2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:15 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a rapist.
rspix000 ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 14:12:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heat of passion will reduce the charge to something less than murder 1.
Maggie_A ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:27:12 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a crime of any kind to defend a child being raped.
Heat of passion is if the woman caught her boyfriend making love to another woman and then attacked him.
Defending your child from an assault is not a heat of passion. It's a justified use of force in defense of someone else.
And, the child rapist lived.
NoiseTherapy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:24 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention she locked him out, then he broke back in and strangled her. There could definitely be more charges . . . on him!
Diiiiirty ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:24:58 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man didn't die. Read the article. You're everything wrong with this sub.
rspix000 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 14:36:07 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proud of the vitriol in this thread, are you?
stuckfix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:04 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you proud of being absolutely wrong because you couldn't bother to read the article?
rspix000 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:17:18 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're everything that's good about /r/news
stuckfix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:18:54 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about all that, I just like to know what I'm talking about before I start spouting off. Not to brag, but it's kind of a good policy. You should give it a try.
rspix000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:01 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really admire your own self image.
stuckfix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:22 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I agree it's pretty great.
ObamasBoss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:02:14 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't die. She was defending her daughter. She is not being charged. He is being looked at for rape.
blockpro156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:19 on September 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not dead, and it might not even be a crime, this might count as defense of other.