The whole โthe new needs friendsโ aside by Anton Ego is one of the best bits of dialogue that Pixar or Disney have ever done, and it never fades from my admiration.
In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations, the new needs friends. Last night, I experienced something new, an extraordinary meal from a singularly unexpected source. To say that both the meal and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine cooking is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for Chef Gusteauโs famous motto: Anyone can cook. But I realize, only now do I truly understand what he meant. Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere. It is difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius now cooking at Gusteauโs, who is, in this criticโs opinion, nothing less than the finest chef in France. I will be returning to Gusteauโs soon, hungry for more.
V.O.S. in spanish. Anton Ego's voice performed by Peter O'Toole.
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[deleted] ยท 4204 points ยท Posted at 15:58:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Killerina ยท 1636 points ยท Posted at 16:17:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The line "Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere" is the line that stuck with me. I haven't seen Ratatouille in years, but that quote occasionally pops into my head.
I feel the original article mislabeled it. It's not allegory, but myth. Myth can be applied to many different situations, people, places and times; and allegory is much more specific. Pixar's films work because they are timeless. They are their own little mythology - that transcends time and space and taps into deep seated facets of human emotion and society.
Allegory is specific. It references a specific time, place or perspective. Itโs meant to explore a very specific subject and the author is deliberately trying to associate the viewer with the emotions or point of view he wants to convey.
I'm actually saying that Ratouille is better than allegory. Because it's applicable to many different things.
I mean, Pixar didn't set out to write something that applies specifically to refugees. They wrote something that appeals to people who feel left out, or those who aspire to be more than what they are. It's just - they wrote it so well and in such basic constructs - that it can then be applied to modern interpretations.
Myth is greater than allegory. Myth is timeless and broad, where allegory is specific.
Ratatouille is one of my favorite movies, and that line actually sticks with me in a negative way.
I don't believe that anyone truly can't do something if they put enough time and effort into it. Barring true mental disease, any lack of existing talent can be overcome with hard work. "God's chosen" is one of Hollywood's most frustrating myths, and it mars an otherwise perfect film for me.
I'm not quite so certain - for example, Usain Bolt undeniably has put a lot of time into training. However were I to train to the same degree, it is unlikely I would be as good an athlete as him. I think there is some element of predisposition towards skill or creativity in certain people. That's not to say that someone can't do something by putting work in though.
We don't start on equal playing fields, that's absolutely true. But "a great" is the quote, not "the greatest". Someone with a speech impediment is going to have a really hard time making a rap album better than To Pimp A Butterfly, but they can still make a really great album.
Someone with a speech impediment is going to have a really hard time making a rap album better than To Pimp A Butterfly, but they can still make a really great album.
You never know though. It's not quite the same thing, but Winston Churchill had a stutter, and he was one of the most eloquent speakers of the twentieth century.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Aujax92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing you can't be the greatest doesn't bar anyone from doing something that they love.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:55:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe that anyone truly can't do something if they put enough time and effort into it.
Thatโs not what that line means, though, so itโs understandable that your interpretation would be a โnegativeโ one.
What that line really means is โtalent can come from anywhereโ. Meaning, just because someone grew up in a poor remote village somewhere, or in this case, is a literal rat, doesnโt mean they canโt be talented.
โA great artist can come from anywhereโ, regardless if they grew up a prince or a pauper. He means that greatness isnโt something that is confined to a few checked boxes on a resume (best schools, best training, best apprenticeship, etc) but that even someone who came from nothing can be great.
So yes, hard work can get you many places. That line isnโt disputing that. Itโs just saying โtalent can come from anywhereโ like somewhere unexpected like rat from the country vs a star chef from franceโs top culinary school. Make sense?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:02:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think that drawing from real events minimizes your writing ability. In fact anyone can come up with a creative storyline and still make it dogshit by not telling it well or just having a bad story to begin with.
In fact, I don't think that coming up with things out of mid air is necessary for being a great artist anyways. Almost every great musician has influences. Hell, photography is kind of impossible without something to work with, but you can still take beautiful pictures.
Art shouldn't be about what it is, but what it makes you feel if that makes sense. If it isn't 100% original but it's good then who really gives a shit?
And I wouldn't say they're mutually exclusive. Creativity can come from the perspective you take on something that's already there (this is the only thing that makes photography a form of art imo).
โYou think I came out the pussy drawing fucking Mozart?โ - Egoraptor
He was shit when he started, but he kept going and can draw now. Iโm a terrible fucking artist. I literally draw worse than 8 year olds; Iโm limited to stick figures.
But if I put the effort in, over even 1 year thereโd be a noticeable change. Thereโs hundreds of pictures on Reddit of people showing their progression in drawing skill over time and the only consistent factor is that they did it pretty much every day.
It would be my opinion that your opinion of yourself is informed by society's damaging ideal that arts have to be innate. I know that's presumptuous and I haven't lived your life, but I think it's silly that any of us expect ourselves to be good at things we aren't trained in. Some people can be, but it's not a death knell for people who aren't. Some of my favorite musical artists can't or couldn't sing. When I started playing guitar at 11 I couldn't even hear that my guitar was out of tune until I heard it played back next to the original track. I'm 28 now and can tune very close to standard without any external help. These things can be learned.
I agree with you that anything can be taught, but people will have a predisposition for certain things. Like I said, I can't art. I'm just terrible at minute details with my hands. But, put a keyboard in my hands and I can practically talk to electronics. I can know what's wrong with them before you're even done explaining it. Computers just come naturally to me and I'm a natural troubleshooter.
I have a ton of training and have put thousands of hours into honing my craft, but two main points still stand.
1. I was good at it, at least good enough to keep trying.
2. I was better at that than the many alternatives my family tried to get me into. My brother is a fantastic artist and a half decent guitarist, my mother is a painter, sculptor, stained glass, air brushing.. whatever she tries she's at least pretty good at. Good enough to be encouraged to keep learning and trying.
I also have aphantasia, which I think has a huge part in my complete lack of artistic ability. I can't picture things in my head, so I'm not able to draw things I can't picture in my head.
Aphantasia sounds like exactly the kind of thing that would negate my point, and I tried to say that in my first post. An actual mental or physical issue could stop someone from effectively building a skill.
I have a ton of training and have put thousands of hours into honing my craft, but two main points still stand.
1. I was good at it, at least good enough to keep trying.
2. I was better at that than the many alternatives my family tried to get me into. My brother is a fantastic artist and a half decent guitarist, my mother is a painter, sculptor, stained glass, air brushing.. whatever she tries she's at least pretty good at. Good enough to be encouraged to keep learning and trying.
And I completely agree with this. A natural talent often gets the ball rolling to develop a skill. I work in IT for the same reason I didn't actively pursue a career in music - my talent was computers. It's just the last ten years of bumping my head into walls and speaking with accomplished musicians I have gotten to hang out with and play with that I began to research whether I'd been wrong in my assumption that the lack of natural talent meant I couldn't do it. I now fully believe that anyone can do it, and I believe a preponderance of scientific evidence backs that up.
But honestly it sounds you're happy with your decision and I don't mean to imply you shouldn't be. All talents are valuable if they make you happy. I just think society needs to recognize that talent and skill aren't quite so divorced as we imagined.
I don't think we're all that far apart as far as our opinions go. I may think that there is more of a talent part to it, but hard work and training will always trump raw talent, it's just without the raw talent there won't be the desire to put the work into developing a talent.
I think Matthew Weaver makes a good point in the comments on that link. To say that any amount of talent can be honed to perfection is to take away from the masterpieces of the greats like Rembrandt, Beethoven and Einstein.
All incredibly talented people who perfected their art, who got the proper training to complement their natural talents.
Interesting to think about though and it gives me hope for my daughter. She's wanted to be a singer since she could talk, but there's not a lot of talent going on there. So lessons will hopefully help with that.
I respectively disagree. The book Of Human Bondage addressed this - there's a female character who's convinced that she has what it takes to become a successful artist, if only she keeps "plugging away". When we meet her, she's been in Paris for several years, and her efforts are no better than when she started. Her teacher finally tells her bluntly that she has no talent and she'd be better off going back to England and having babies. (It was the 30's.)
Nope, you're correct, it is fiction - I think the point stands, though.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:54:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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yobeast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone of those players can gradually get better, not by merely putting the time in but by spending the time in the right way. Reflect on your mistakes, practice the very basic mechanics of the game, watch what great players do and challenge your own approach over and over, that's how you get good
I agree but I don't think everybody can put in correct practice time and become a pro. With enough hard work everyone could be exceptional but to get to the top of the top it obviously takes more than just hard work.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but see I did get better I should be challenger ranked, it's just my teammates fault /s
It's not about just the time you put in, but the intention too. If you played a game for a year with the goal of improving your skill, you would get better than you would have playing for 5 years casually.
Video games and sports are an area that's just a little grayer due to necessary reaction times and a fluidity of the mind that decreases with age, but art is different. Being a great chef would imply studying and applying your studies to your dishes, experimenting and tweaking. It requires a set of tastebuds willing to try your food, the ability to read or listen to instruction, and time/focus/energy/money.
But to clarify a little - just playing the same game for years wouldn't make you better. You'd need to adjust and learn. It's easy to keep making the same mistakes over and over.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me? Of course hard work can make up for a lack of talent but only to some degree, to be truly the best at anything you need both without question.
This simply isn't true, though. For example, with cooking, some people naturally have better palates. Sure, people can spend some time training their palate and get better than they were, but others can simply smell and taste better, and their mind might naturally be able to play with those flavor profiles in their head.
This is true for sports as well, of course, but really, with most anything. Some people just 'get' engines the first time they see them. Daniel Negreanu's natural ability to read people has made him millions in poker, and his level of ability is astonishing... if 'anyone' could simply train to that level, all professional pokers would. And they try, sure, and get better... but he clearly has ability beyond all or almost all of his peers, and has since he came on the scene.
I mean, sure, everyone can get -better- with dedication and practice. But there are phenoms in every field, and in most cases, a large part of the reason they are a phenom is a combination of hard work, practice, dedication, and innate natural ability in that field.
We very nearly agree. All I'm saying is that just because Einstein existed doesn't mean Joe down the street couldn't achieve a similar level of mathematical skill if he really wanted to. Nabokov could write better in his second language of English than most English writers; does that mean you can't write a best-seller?
There is so much myth built up around "the greats" that no one wants to acknowledge that nearly anyone can become one. It doesn't make scientific sense for anything else to be the case - variations within the same species are very slight in most measurable ways, and if anything makes us special as humans it's our adaptability.
You could become a great chef without a tongue, much less a refined pallette.
You could become a great chef without a tongue, much less a refined pallette.
I think your definition of "great" is different from what we're talking about. That's why we have different words for all of those levels..like "adequate" or "good". I disagree that with enough practice a chef with no tongue could be great. And we DO have lots of people who train and plug away in their respective fields without achieving "greatness" -- tons of good teachers and artists and musicians who are good but not great. Sometimes they are simply unrecognized greatness, but usually it's just that they are adequate.
Unless Joe down the street happens to be a bona fide genius, then no, he's not a secret Einstein. Yes, it's possible any given person might be that smart, but that does not mean -you- could suddenly decide to study physics and equal Einstein's intellect and understanding of the issue.
That line has nothing to do with fate or destiny. Itโs like you zoomed out too much. Him saying that โnot everyone can be greatโ is not equal to saying โonly some select few can be greatโ. Itโs a logical fallacy to draw that conclusion from his statement. Him saying that is just a lead in to his broader point that greatness can come from anywhere, which is true and remains true regardless if destiny is true or not. His point has nothing to do with being โchosenโ itโs simply that...greatness can come from anywhere (a passionate sewer rat in this case.)
farhil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I disagree with your stance, I think your comment is a valuable contribution to the discussion, and shouldnโt have been downvoted so heavily. Come on guys, โdownvoteโ doesnโt mean โdisagreeโ, look at the good comments that resulted from his reply
I wonder if any film critic made/wrote a movie that was generally well-loved.
Roger Ebert wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, which wasn't super well received, but does have something of a cult following.
drunz ยท 433 points ยท Posted at 16:21:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought criticss wrote hogwash and were full of themselves until I started reading Roger Ebert. While he may have been full of himself sometimes, he still was the most amazing critic I have ever seen.
adsilcott ยท 791 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Roger Ebert taught me that a great critic isn't someone who you always agree with, but someone who explains why they liked or disliked something so well that you can understand it even if you disagree with it, and by doing so they teach you about how to appreciate the medium and have your own opinions about it. His reviews taught me how to watch and enjoy films in a much deeper way, and for that I'm very grateful.
Reminds me of a French teacher I had back in high school who snickered upon realizing I was reading a lot of Kerouac at the time. She said "Porkpie1028, you're better than that wannabe stream of consciousness dribble, I understand it's place in young minds, just remember that it's search for meaning is "drug fueled, purposeless, and quite full of itself."
I mean Kerouac is prerty masturbatory... while camus and sartre, i believe, actually look at and adress core human issues in a sound and reasonable way.
Sometimes i think it has to do with how young the US really is.
Thats interesting. I look back at On the Road and hate it now, it provides optimism in a lifestyle thats really a slow death. But when I was a kid, it was the best.
That and Fear and Loathing. Now, I absolutely hate both. Hunter atleast acknowledges he and his movement was a failure and that was mostly drugs but I hate how he never came to terms with that ultimately drugs made him a shit person.
I just stopped reading On the Road when I realized after he went West and back, and there was a whole chunk of book left that I didn't care any more. Only later to read a summary and realize that's just it, he just went back and forth...again. (I know there's more important it's not the destination it's the journey stuff in there). I get why it's important and experiencing it for a few hours was fun but it's just not for me.
I mean, hes just a drunk trying to seek some sort of "God" to explain why hes a drunk. I could write an essay about On the Road is just the 12 Steps of AA.
They both were really great writers, but I think their literature did more harm than good in the long run. Jack Kerouac died at 47 from alcoholism, thats absolutely nuts. He was a hopeless drunk and really shouldnt be telling a generation of people how to live, even though that wasnt his intention at all.
She was right on all three counts. I was in sway of the Beats when young, alsoโbut it's shallow stuff. JK had great heart in his early workโDharma Bums is incredibly likable. Burroughs, smart, funny, but soulless. Ginsberg, full of dim bulb, swiped profundities. Gary Snyder was okay. The other Beats aren't even worth mentioning.
Folks on this planet have written far deeper, far richer, far more searchingly brave works than da Beats.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never wanted to argue with a French teacher as much as I do right now lol
Why? In reality she wasn't wrong and would destroy about 99.9% of the earths population in a debate. She was and is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met and although that might mean nothing coming from an anon online it still has merit to me and people that know me IRL.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Because at the end of the day this is entirely subjective and although she'd probably school me if we actually discussed it, I personally will defend Kerouac and all stream of consciousness stuff because I believe in it and find it to not be meaningless junk. It's probably the only prose that accepts the ludicrousness and reflectiveness status of art without just falling into nihilism by saying "nothing matters, lol".
I'm not disputing the intelligence of your teacher, I merely disagree with her on the merit of stream of consciousness. Who knows, in 20 years time I'll probably have changed my mind.
She wasn't criticizing SoC. She was criticizing his SoC. She and I loved and discussed Finnegans Wake. I don't how it was so hard to understand this based on my original comment.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I misunderstood it as she was criticizing all SoC as 'wannabe'.
Stephen King, seriously? I'm talking about woman who learned French so she could read Camus and Voltaire. Italian so she could read Divina Commedia and Spanish for the poetry that can never be translated without losing its soul. Stephen King, heh...
The irony of you posting something like this in a thread about Ratatouille -- a movie about celebrating art of all kinds, including art of humble origins -- seems completely lost on you
Never said he was garbage. He was just a terrible example to make an invalid point. If being an ass is what it takes to call out BS then guilty as charged. Thanks for contributing
I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. But in the long run every one of those could be seen as purposeless and meaningless, according to how one might interpret them. Judy Bloom books might be a million times more meaningful to some readers than the Divine Comedy. And I personally don't give a damn about your teacher's opinions. And I can translate that into several languages for her if I ever get the chance to tell her.
Except Kerouac's work is historically significant. Beats generation is historically significant. I'm sure you could say the same thing about the Bible - it being purposeless, and quite full of itself. But it's historically significant. And therefore worth reading.
I've always been if the opinion that if you love some thing, truly love something, you should be able to pick out it'a flaws. Admit what isn't good about it, and strive to have it improved.
It's not out of dislike, it's out of love.
Cige ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you truly love something the flaws become just another source of entertainment, like The Star Wars Prequels.
We live in an era where the concept of "mainstream" is slowly but inevitably being eroded away, and all forms of artistic expression have the opportunity to become "big" thanks to how effective the Internet is that distributing information/content.
I mean, how do you define "mainstream" anymore? A kid playing video games and cussing endlessly can and does get millions of followers. How is that no longer "mainstream" if there are literally millions of people consuming this content?
It's simultaneously glorious and terrifying in it's implications. The amazing part is anyone and everyone has a chance to exhibit their talent, and barring a few factors, they all have a relatively even chance of getting noticed.
The terrifying part is that this is leading to the absolute opposite of what you're saying. Now that nothing is mainstream anymore, content is getting more and more compartmentalised.
For example, as a kid, I would get to hear a variety of music on the radio because in the place I lived (ie. Not the US or Europe), radio Top 40 lists were a very interesting potpurri of pop, rock/metal, R&B, and local music. Fewer sources to get stuff, so the sources themselves used to cater to a wider audience to ensure there was something for everyone.
Now, however, I can find dozens or more sources providing non-stop music only for the genre(s) I like. As a result, the type of music I listen to has shrink over the years. Where a kid my mix tapes would have at least 2-3 songs outside my genres of preference, I now have a playlist that's literally 1000s of times larger, but much narrower in terms of variety.
This is leading us to a point where "give it a chance" is a dying concept because...why do you need to? This, in turn, is making us far less tolerant of things outside our tastes because it promotes a circle jerk mentality.
ps_ ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:30:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you make a good point about what i think, ultimately, is the loss of a shared cultural experience that once existed simply because we didn't have so many options. however, i don't think this is a particularly new trend (though the internet may have exacerbated things).
after the passing of elvis in the 1970s, rock critic, lester bangs, concluded his obituary pretty incredibly, basically addressing what you write about (pinpointing elvis' death as the start of it). here's a link, and here's how it ends:
That night in Detroit, a night I will never forget, he had but to ever so slightly move one shoulder muscle, not even a shrug, and the girls in the gallery hit by its ray screamed, fainted, howled in heat. Literally, every time this man moved any part of his body the slightest centimeter, tens or tens of thousands of people went berserk. Not Sinatra, not Jagger, not the Beatles, nobody you can come up with ever elicited such hysteria among so many. And this after a decade and a half of crappy records, of making a point of not trying.
If love truly is going out of fashion forever, which I do not believe, then along with our nurtured indifference to each other will be an even more contemptuous indifference to each others' objects of reverence.
I thought it was Iggy Stooge, you thought it was Joni Mitchell or whoever else seemed to speak for your own private, entirely circumscribed situation's many pains and few ecstasies. We will continue to fragment in this manner, because solipsism holds all the cards at present; it is a king whose domain engulfs even Elvis's. But I can guarantee you one thing: we will never again agree on anything as we agreed on Elvis. So I won't bother saying good-bye to his corpse. I will say good-bye to you.
Halvus_I ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:40:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
How is that no longer "mainstream" if there are literally millions of people consuming this content?
Because it doesnt enter the collective consciousness like it did during the era when we only had three TV channels and so everyone came into work/school the next day saying 'OMG, who shot J.R.???'
Very few come into work/school the next day to say 'OMG did you see that move Xx_PlayedYoMoMMa_xX pulled off last night?'
A few million followers is not 'mainstream', 100 million households tuning into the MASH finale is mainstream.
Very few come into work/school the next day to say 'OMG did you see that move Xx_PlayedYoMoMMa_xX pulled off last night?'
Alternatively, this might not be happening anymore because we can now discuss topics of our interest instantly online with fellow fans. If you and I both follow Xx_PlayedYoMoMMA_xX (this made me chuckle), we're both most likely going to be commenting either on his YouTube channel, Discord, his dedicated subreddit, or maybe even on all of them. The two crucial things here are that:
a) We now have the ability to satisfy our need to talk about our media consumption instantly.
b) We can do it on platforms alongside hundreds or thousands of like minded individuals.
When you can do that, why would you feel the need to actively hunt for people IRL who share your interest? If Dallas was on today, we would all be theory-crafting the shit out of "Who shot J.R." right here on Reddit, instead of having to wait till tomorrow to talk about it with school mates/co-workers.
At best, you'd be able to talk to one person on the phone, in which case, you know you're going to get yelled at when mom thinks you're spending too much time on the phone which will lead to phone privileges getting revoked for the rest of the evening (and that's assuming you were even allowed to touch the phone that late in the day).
A few million followers is not 'mainstream', 100 million households tuning into the MASH finale is mainstream.
Look at it another way. Back then, it was an all or nothing deal. If you weren't mainstream, you'd be very lucky to get 100k people watching whatever you do, let along a million. Nowadays, though? YouTube personalities get millions to tens of millions of views by producing content they don't even have to leave their home to produce. MASH was a huge production, backed by a huge network which had mad cash to throw in marketing, etc. Paul Logan (or whatever his name is) hasn't had to spend a dime on marketing to get millions of views.
'OMG, who shot J.R.???'
Thanks. I've now got the damn theme stuck in my head. I hope you're happy.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:43:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand where you are coming from but I have to say I have the opposite experience. Itโs because of this new media Iโve been able to access and consume music and television I never would have considered before.
With pandora music, I get the โradio likeโ experience which so far has shown me music outside my traditional favorites. And when I look for new stuff, I tend to go to Apple Musicโs main page and browse whatโs hot at the moment or whatโs on their charts. Iโve found some great stuff that way that past me wouldnโt have considered.
And same with TV. With YouTube & social media/reddit, I have discovered clips of shows I hadnโt heard of, like Mr. Robot and Black Mirror, which led me to go find them to watch. We now have a million choices for tv watching so that can be overwhelming, but I love that we have such variety out there that I can find things outside my usual tv.
I think our consumption of modern media is only as limited as we allow it to be. If you find yourself trapped in a small niche area, itโs really easy to go out and find other things to consume instead.
Eh. I disagree. I find so much more diverse music through Spotify than I ever could with Apple Music. And I love Spotify for that. It might be up to the consumer to avoid compartmentalization. Actually, no. It definitely is up to the consumer to do so.
It might be up to the consumer to avoid compartmentalization. Actually, no. It definitely is up to the consumer to do so.
Of course, this is absolutely true. I can't and won't deny the compartmentalization i talked about is due to me doing it to myself.
I was focusing primarily on why people do what I do, and I think my type is in the majority. I like my music, but I'm no curator of music. I'm not the sort who actively chases after new music experiences, and instead stick with what's easiest to access. Totally my bad, but that's also because the way I get my music makes that so much easier.
Take Spotify as an example, since you mentioned it. Spotify (or other similar apps/services like it - I have Spotify where I am so I can only base my experience on rival services I do have access to) push forward music it thinks I would like based on what it thinks I prefer, which basically means its streamlining what it gives me already. It's not likely to throw me something from a genre I don't have at all in my collection.
It boils down to interest. I imagine if you're a serious audiophile, you'll actively look for newer experiences, etc. If you're like me, however, you're probably not going to do that.
We live in an era where the concept of "mainstream" is slowly but inevitably being eroded away, and all forms of artistic expression have the opportunity to become "big" thanks to how effective the Internet is that distributing information/content.
While I sort of agree with you, money and resources are still needed to produce content with less limitations. For example, Marvel Studios can produce big budget superhero movies but your average YouTuber simply can not because there is a lack of resources there to develop content. YouTubers and Twitch streamers definitely can produce content but it will likely have severe limitations that "mainstream" content funded by big studios will not (logistics/travel, equipment used, CGI, post-production, actors, etc. etc.).
I can agree with that. I feel that, going back a century ago, if you wanted to read, you read anything you could get your hands on, but nowadays, people hardly ever read anything outside of their specific preferences. We all moan and complain about assigned reading in school, as we have since most school children could read, but the most important lesson it taught us was to find appreciation for things that we don't like. It's a habit I have to constantly break myself out of. I enjoy reading manga, especially sci fi stories and to a point battle mangas, but I decided that I'd instead start to read stories that, while they didn't immediately interest me, were highly rated no matter the genre. I used to hate slice of life, and now I love it. I never could get into sports manga, but I can appreciate it. And it's opened my eyes to so many other things, whether it be theater or boxing or Go.
Anecdotally, I see that when I talk to my much younger brother when talking about video games. When I was growing up, there weren't that many video games, esp. with what I could afford as a child. I mean, not like nowadays. Because of that, I have no problem soldiering through a boring part in a game or learning new mechanics in an RPG or reading walls of text. My brother, on the other hand, has so much access to almost anything he wants through my collection and emulations that he only plays what exactly conforms to his preferences, and if it deviates, it's a bad game in his eyes.
Eryius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a personal problem.
macboot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is also why the response "well if you think this is bad, let's see you do better" is nonsense. The job of a critic is to understand and express their feelings from an end product. They will often have an understanding of the production of whatever it is they criticize, but their skillset is totally different from someone who actually has to produce and execute the art. Many artists have not worked on the skills necessary to criticise and many critics have not learned the skills necessary to create, but their opinions can still be valued and taken constructively, because that is their job.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:32:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roger Ebert was also one of those critics that didn't mind fun movies, even if they were bad, and could recognise the bad from the good, and the fun from either of them.
"Does this movie succeed in what it's trying to do?" is basically the question he tried to answer in each of his reviews. Whether it was slapstick or neo noir, he always gave every movie a even footing.
One of the more transcendent moments in my appreciation of film came from watching Citizen Kane. I watched it first as it should be watched. I immediately watched it again with Ebert's commentary. It was an amazing eye opening experience.
Every Friday I would go to his website to read his new reviews (he also had a knack to keep them spoiler free). I really miss reading his reviews. He was the best.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dunkey of all people goes into this a small amount in his video on game critics. People are going to have personal taste and if you read reviews from critics who hate whatever it is you love, their opinion shouldn't be a factor in how much you enjoy it
lapbro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I always looked for his ratings when deciding whether to watch a movie, but never read the full reviews. Interesting. I'll have to go back and read him.
Oddly enough, the thing that made me most respectful of Roger Ebert was his review of The Devil's Rejects. That's not a film I ever want to watch, it's not a film he wanted to watch, but he had to, and then had to say something about it. And, in spite of finding it utterly distasteful and horrific, he reviewed it fairly and gave it three stars even though he did not enjoy it at all, and expressed very clearly that he didn't actually recommend watching it. That review is the ultimate lesson to any media critic on how to consume media while being well-informed enough on the medium/genre and open-minded enough to recognize a movie etc. for what it is. I've never seen such a pure film review before or since.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
isn't someone who you always agree with, but someone who explains why they liked or disliked something so well that you can understand it even if you disagree with it,
... what?
you often agree with critics? i find myself NOT agreeing with critics most of the time.
but the thing with ebert was that, he was USUALLY agreeable. and why i loved him was because even though he may have had pretension, he didn't have it in his work.
like.. he gives good marks to those "summer blockbuster-y" movies because he understand WHAT it is. he critiques and grades movies on WHAT IT'S TRYING to be, and the niche it fills. like the movie 'TAKEN' would probably be lauded or ignored by critics. he gives it a 3/4. i mean.. taken is probably not the best example but... he grades movies FAIRLY... he doesn't critique every movie like it's supposed to be up for an Oscar. that's why i like reading his shit.
Yeah, Ebert is probably the critic I respect the most out of any of them, past or present. Though even he did have his spots of blind pretension (for example, the "are video games art?" debate).
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:50:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Redlettermedia...they make no qualms about balancing art of film making and how people watch movies.
They also won't accept previews, junkets, gifts and pay for all their viewings to maintain integrity.
Vio_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:35:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Ebert is probably the critic I respect the most out of any of them, past or present. Though even he did have his spots of blind pretension (for example, the "are video games art?" debate).
That's probably a generational thing. It's hard to see the new "thing" when you're 30 years already into your career.
I see it even now on reddit. People pooping on youtube and instragram. Except 10 years from now, those post teenagers will bring up the best of the "mindless entertainment" and declare it as its own treasured art pieces and heirlooms of the memory.
Jonas42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was there more to the "are video games art" thing that I missed? I read something of Ebert's where he indicated that, by his definition, art indicated a level of authorial control that simply isn't present in games. So to him, they weren't art not because they're useless or without value, but simply because they don't meet his personal criteria for what art is.
He has, at times, indicated that games simply aren't able to communicate or provoke emotional response on a level of art, which is simply false. And regardless, I'd disagree with that assertion as well; of course there is a level of authorial control. A gamer has only as much freedom as the game's author allows them; no more, no less. You might as well say that film is not an art form because one can pause, rewind, fast-forward, scene select, or leave the player running while they go to the bathroom.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs fair, but Iโd argue that unlike movies, some of the best games ever are flat out not art. Modern Warfare is a triumph, and it isnโt by any reasonable description art.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for me personally. It doesn't really matter how good or bad a movie is, to be art it has to try and say something. The Rock is a fine movie, but it just wants to entertain.
It's not like he didn't like games or see their value. He just views art as something a bit specific and that the interactive nature of games made that difficult to impossible to achieve. He also said most movies aren't art, either. The main issue seems to stem from his definition of art and not a personal issue with video games as a concept.
debacol ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its clear that, if he were alive today and tried something like Horizon Zero Dawn, or Journey he would change his tune.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:47:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He only died five years ago. It's not like he died in the 90s or something. Games haven't changed that much since.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HZD is the most overrated thing ever I wish people would stfu about. It was good but that is all. Why is there so much hype for such a mediocre story and boring gameplay?
Ebert's commentary on Citizen Kane isn't just brilliant, it helps you see film in a new way. New ways, really. Truly a great critic, I can't think of anyone who compares.
Roger Eberts' review of 'The Hangover' made transition from dislikinv the film to liking it. I had seen the film, didn't like it, years later I read his review and rewatched it in a new light and my opinion changed to one of amusement. Good critic, personal politics and social standing aside.
He lost a lot of credibility for me when I read his review of The Elephant Man. There's just so much going on in that film that seems to have completely gone over his head.
I kept asking myself what the film was really trying to say about the human condition as reflected by John Merrick, and I kept drawing blanks. The film's philosophy is this shallow: (1)Wow, the Elephant Man sure looked hideous, and (2)gosh, isn't it wonderful how he kept on in spite of everything?ย
I just can't get behind a critic who misses the point of a film and just assumes that, because he didn't get it, there must not be one.
I guess it was easier to dismiss the film like this before we had the rest of David Lynch's work to put it in context, but the review just comes off as ignorant more than insightful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Howard Stern got into an argument with a critic shortly after his movie "Private Parts" came out. Upon arguing, the critic admitted she never saw the film. Her claims were that she didn't need to because Howard Stern only does filth. Really made me think how biased some critics are.
Reading Roger Ebert made me a substantially better person. He taught me compassion, he taught me how to interpret art, he taught me how to learn. He has done more for me than any other individual, including personal relations
It becomes easier over time, as the critic dwells more and more on the negative and allow themselves to become jaded or numb to it. I see it all the time in internet critics who earn notoriety for being bombastic or hyperbolic in their negative criticism, only to steadily lose credibility as they either burnout on their own bile-spewing or their capacity to appreciate or even notice positive aspects of content diminishes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know why, but I thought of Andy Greenwald.
I'd say redlettermedia, while often giving negative reviews, still isn't afraid to say they liked something even if it goes against the general public. I definitely wouldn't lump them in with nostalgia critic or cinema sins
When something sparks Mike Stoklasa's black heart, it's delightful to see. That said, he hated Thor Ragnarok because someone in the theater had a cold, so he's not always on the ball when it comes to being a critic with clout. They would argue that they don't care, which they don't, but other people need to be aware that they don't care.
They certainly started that way, and it's why I enjoyed it. But then I started to see more and more inaccuracies in their "sins." They would ignore aspects of the movie just to give it a sin, or would make something up completely. The creator has insisted it's solely for entertainment these days, but I see the same inconsistencies in his actual reviews where he's driving around in his SUV voicing his opinion.
I agree, and I also don't think it's fair to group it in with the Nostalgia Critic either.
The Nostalgia Critic is a live-action cartoon character that Doug Walker played--and the reviews have improved in quality dramatically over the years.
In any case, at the heart of the Critic's character was "just because it was made for kids, doesn't excuse bad quality," so I have some respect for the idea.
Absolutely. I'm just disappointed that his show has become so much more about skits. I admit though, he's never been a reviewer much, per se. He mostly just explains the film and points out some odd or hilarious moments.
Birdman did this wonderfully :) art for the sake of art- or art for the sake of others people's admiration? You can never please everybody, but as long as you stay true to yourself, you're on the right path!
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
i'm curious about this reply. you reference ratatouille and the incredibles replying to a comment about birdman. i think the commenter was talking about birdman the 2014 movie, but i think you took that as brad bird, who wrote and directed ratatouille and the incredibles. which is funny, but then you post a random video of a beach resort?
No, the movie Birdman. Harvey Birdman attorney at law was a tv show. Michael Keaton (for instance known as Batman among many other characters) playing a guy who used to play the fictional superhero Birdman.
...Fun fact: he later played a super villain named The Vulture. (The Vulture, not Vulturo)
IDK, I feel like too many people ignore the fact that criticism is its own sort of pursuit that combines different skills, namely writing and analytical ones. There's all sorts of different types of criticism. You've got generic populist reviews, really lengthy and in-depth scholarly and academic criticism, short, punchy reviews from critics like Pauline Kael, Ebert style reviews that straddle a middle ground, etc, etc. Some people even consider it its own art form.
The whole "critics don't make anything they just hate" is just an empty platitude meant to make the GP feel better about themselves IMO. And in the film, Anton spells out his epiphany in the form of a review. It's actually kind of interesting. He sort of discredits his own position in a way that validates its worth at the same time.
[deleted] ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:40:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's not saying "critics just hate". He's saying it's easy to forget that in the grand scheme of things, a negative critique of a bad piece of art is probably less meaningful than a bad piece of art.
It's pretty evident from the comments around it that people pretty much always take it to a "critics just hate" place though. Like the person I'm replying to straight up said
It's much easier to pick flaws in the work of others than to make something of value ourselves. I wonder if any film critic made/wrote a movie that was generally well-loved.
They're directly making the "It's easy to critique but have any critics actually created" argument.
Good criticism is indeed an art form. I particularly like criticism in the style of the New Yorker where a work (or set of works) as used as a springboard to talk about culture more generally.
And though it's not universally loved I'd argue that the [in]famous Red Letter Phantom Menace review eclipsed the film it was reviewing and is the better, more meaningful creative work.
debacol ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:30:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its the only thing plinkett has done that was entertaining and useful. I dont find his movie review program good at all.
DannoHung ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:38:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think all three of the prequel critiques were overall pretty good and they spent a lot of time explaining why the films didn't work. It helped teach the language of film to the viewer while explaining what didn't work in those films and also what did work in other films.
It's obvious that Mike doesn't have the time or energy to do the same thing in the other Plinkett reviews. And obviously Half in the Bag is just a "review" show in the style of "At the Movies", so if you tend to have similar taste as Mike or Jay, then you'll find that useful or not as consumer advice. Mike does seem extra jaded lately though.
he liked Spider Man and Thor 3 (would have liked it more if it was more about hijinks on planet Hulk) and he thought Guardians 2 was better than Guardians 1
They are a strange mix of completely serious film review and facetious remarks with no impact on the series. I genuinely learned a lot about e.g. shot composition and such from RLM, but some of the prequel "fixing" is clearly satire .
Agreed. His other stuff is wayyy weaker. I think they do have a lot of insight but I am often annoyed at how they present it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've liked Confused Matthew's movie takedowns much more than Red Letter's. He actually goes into the philosophy that movies use and examines their flaws. He has a tiny following, though, and I think took a long break for a few years.
There is criticism that looks at a piece and adds to it. It celebrates the imperfections and the perfection. It all depends on what the critic's goal and audience is.
Nessius ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gary Whitta was a PC Gamer writer. Wrote Book of Eli and Rouge One. Many, many Videogame writers and creators came from the critic circles. It make sense that rarely the 1% critics cross over as they have firmly established careers but being a critic as a stepping stone to art and using that time to really learn the intricacies of the craft and learn how to separate opinion from quality-among other skills- isnโt that unusual. Source: was my career path, watched my colleagues spread all over entertainment.
[deleted] ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 16:53:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Gary wrote Rogue One?? You're fucking with me. No way.
Edit: I looked it up. Holy shit. I remember him all the way back from when he wrote about nerdy games with Logan Decker and Dan Stapleton. And now he's written a Star Wars Movie? Life is fucking weird.
It's echoing a cheap sentiment that doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. Art is criticism and criticism is art. You're creating something either way, and it's virtually unheard-of for a piece of art to not be commenting, however obliquely, on something (or many things) the artist has absorbed up to that point - which includes both "art" and "criticism," if you still insist on dividing the two.
Generally speaking, a broadside assault on criticism is a convenient out for both overly-sensitive artists and crass commercialists who don't want any shred of shame (or taste) to stop people from buying more shit. In fields where form and function overlap, it's also become a dangerously powerful dodge for liability when the mechanical aspects don't work properly. Video games, I'm looking at you - but it's been true ever since somebody got the idea to make a designer car or even a designer piece of furniture. There's no law that says you can't make and sell something that looks like a couch, but can't be used as a couch. But if you sell it as a couch and it collapses into a heap of sharp wood and nails when somebody sits on it... well, the first thing to do is, delegitimize the critics!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
...so, uh, you don't have any sense that artists sometimes generate "traditional art" (for want of a better term, given my position) to serve as a critique of another piece of art?
Have you not heard of parody? Or satire, as applied specifically to a work of art?
Pulling it back more generally... don't you think it's a little strange that you're implying that "traditional art" manages to critique and comment upon literally everything except "ONE particular work of art?" Doesn't that seem like an absolutely absurd limitation to claim?
Probably quite a few, but their great work usually eclipses their critiques. Edgar Allen Poe was a well-known literary critic before being published. A lesser known one is David Thomas from cult band Pere Ubu - he was a local music critic before getting his band started. Sometimes it helps to be analytical about otherโs art so you can find what you want to do with your own art.
I think its less about the critic being able to write a film and more about the value of a critics opinion. Critics have tremendous power but will spend most of their time saying something is average. Its only in those special moments, where they can play off something unique and special, that will give them genuine meaning. The life of a critic is a strange one.
Speaking recently, I believe C. Robert Cargill was a critic at Ainโt it cool news before writing Sinister and Doctor Strange.
Rotten tomatoes rankings:
Sinister - 63%
Doctor Strange - 90%
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Many French filmmakers from the 1960s such as Jean-Luc Godard and Andrรฉ Bazin started out as film critics that were fed up with cookie cutter filmmaking and decided to get real weird with it. Without them, films like Pulp Fiction and Memento wouldn't exist.
I wonder if any film critic made/wrote a movie that was generally well-loved.
Much of the French New Wave was made up of critics turned filmmakers, and a bunch of those films are regarded as among the greatest of all time. The 400 Blows and Breathless are among the most recognizable of the bunch. There was even a documentary made about Francois Truffaut and Alfred Hitchcock's relationship.
Rydisx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it gets lost on the idea people always state, "then you do it better".
We dont need to create something ourselves, or do it better to be able to judge something of value. We can still comprehended, understand and discern things with having the ability to actually create it. If that was the case, art wouldn't even be something we celebrate.
โ[I]t's an amazing triumph even to make a bad movie. Even a crap film is really an extraordinary achievement. You're taking a two-dimensional object and making it three-dimensional. The number of people. The number of days. The number of cuts.โ -Bill Murray
Always loved that quote from him. And still makes me reconsider how sometimes I like a movie even though the critical or popular opinion doesn't agree with me. And Waterworld.
People who have hobbies in which they make things are generally much more satisfied with life. Making music, making art, making food. If you push yourself to create something, and you love it, you'll be happy.
Charlie Brooke's springs to mind - longtime video game/TV/Film critic and culture writer with the Guardian, now best known as the creator of Black Mirror
It speaks to me as well. When you've practiced drawing for many years you tend to be more negative to your own work since you see so many flaws and ways you could have done better. But then I began to see more clearly the flaws in other great artist's works be it slight asymmetry in a cartoon character or odd angles; that's when I realized that there will always be flaws in your work and there will always be ways to improve them, and what matters most is how much you have improved over time.
jnazario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me, the point is really that the critic exists purely because of the art. The critic is very much secondary to it, a by-product. And you have to remember that critics do what they do out of passion for that art form. I don't think the line is supposed to "deconstruct" or "refute" criticism in general, because it's still an important part of art...I mean any time you have a reaction to or enjoy a work of art you are yourself engaging in criticism. It's supposed to illustrate the fact that criticism is beholden to the art, because that's what comes first and foremost.
Francois Truffaut was a prominent critic who was frequently challenged to put his money where his mouth was and make a film. His debut, The 400 Blows, is a seminal work in the French New Wave.
Obligatory:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt
Charlie Brooker was vilified for a short while, for his criticism of TV, and people said he had no right to be so harsh when he'd never made anything. In response he wrote and made Black Mirror.
I wrote an article by using his quote to "help the new" a little unnoticed yet innovative movie was made and I had to tell people about it. Only a couple hundred ever read that post in the end. But I like to believe if even a couple of them watched the movie because of it. My task was successful.
I think that line speaks volumes about the internet and the multitude of forums (and subreddits) filled with people picking apart and criticising TV shows, movies, games, and all other forms of culture. The very thing that's being criticised, be it a AAA game or some amateur musician's youtube channel, is worth more than the sum of criticism levelled at it. Those contributions to culture have meaning, depth and value. The criticisms contribute very little actual worth.
I'm guilty of it too. We're so quick to criticise (or just be critical) but we make nothing new and original of our own. The line you referenced is absurdly humbling when you think about it.
The scene before that where he is transported back to his youth by the smells and tastes... that always gets me.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:47:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After all this time? Alwa-
Woops wrong movie
nurburg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if anyone will be able to answer this but... That's an amazing scene and years later I read about proust and his story of the madaleine. I'm absolutely convinced that the scene from Ratatouille is an homage to proust.
No sooner had the warm liquid mixed with the crumbs touched my palate than a shudder ran through me and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary thing that was happening to me. An exquisite pleasure had invaded my senses, something isolated, detached, with no suggestion of its origin. And at once the vicissitudes of life had become indifferent to me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusory โ this new sensation having had on me the effect which love has of filling me with a precious essence; or rather this essence was not in me it was me. ... Whence did it come? What did it mean? How could I seize and apprehend it? ... And suddenly the memory revealed itself. The taste was that of the little piece of madeleine which on Sunday mornings at Combray (because on those mornings I did not go out before mass), when I went to say good morning to her in her bedroom, my aunt Lรฉonie used to give me, dipping it first in her own cup of tea or tisane. The sight of the little madeleine had recalled nothing to my mind before I tasted it. And all from my cup of tea.
โโMarcel Proust, In Search of Lost Time
26 days old comment but important enough for me to write. That scenes is my favorite moment from the movie, when I eat really good food, I call it my Ratatouille moment.
One of the best art criticism essays ever. And kids got to hear it. Pixar is unbelievable, needs to be said. Those people sitting around in one meeting and sketching so many of those movies, is insane
SuperSulf ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:58:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just saw Coco a few days ago. I was blown away by multiple parts of the movie. Pixar has always been amazing, and I hope they continue to consistently make good movies
LevynX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:19:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think kids understood that speech. I know I didn't when I watched it as a kid. It took me rewatches as an adult to understand what that essay was about.
Right? Sitting in the dentist waiting room with the hairs on the back of my neck standing up. His voice sells it so well.
[deleted] ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I owe my love of cooking (and the impetus to learn how to do so) to this movie and this dialogue.
Am I the best cook? No. Not even professionally trained. I'm more of a "hobbyist chef", if such a thing were to exist. However, the movie convinced me to get out of my comfort zone of microwave meals and boxed dinners. It showed me that improvising can save a failed recipe, or forge a new one altogether. With this knowledge, it quashed the fear of failure that lurked in my heart at the precipice of the unknown.
Years after the movie, I am still trying new techniques and concepts. Not necessarily molecular gastronomy, but rather an independent pursuit and honing of skills those who are classically/traditionally trained possess. And now, I do it not alone, but with the person I've declared to spend the rest of my life with. Through baby steps we are ever learning and sharing our knowledge with loved ones through family gatherings, social events, and hosted dinner parties. Who knows where this path will lead, whether we keep it as a hidden gem of a talent only those who know us get to experience, or if we continue our expansion and attempt to pursue a livelihood doing what is slowly becoming natural to us.
And all of this, I owe to a movie about a rat and the bastard son of a chef in Paris.
You are me, except I alone share my love for cooking, and have no one to share it with. But the movie inspires me so much, I am thinking about it when I try to save a dish, or trying a new adventure in cooking. In those cooking moments that I love, I am thinking about a rat.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:51:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
:')
ArthurBea ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:51:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He talks about one of the best distinctions in talent. Itโs not that everybody can have talent, but talent can come from anywhere. You donโt need a pedigree to be talented. But you never know your talents unless you try them out. Donโt disregard potential talent because it doesnโt look like the talented people you have become accustomed to. Be open to talent. You may be pleasantly surprised.
If youโve ever been suddenly struck by some form of art but never expected it, whether a piece for music from a genre you hipster-hated, food from a cuisine you disregard as wierd, a painting or sculpture from some art style you think is pretentious, or a movie from a genre you think is dull, then you understand where Anton Ego is coming from.
I'd argue that a far more important lesson for 99.9% of people is "don't be afraid of passion despite lack of raw talent". A genius cook is a very rare thing, but everyone can benefit from a slight boost of confidence, even if they'll never be a Gordon Ramsay or Raymond Blanc.
Ok, I'm having goosebumps reading this, literally, chicken skin man... I forgot how awesome this movie is, and now that I'm getting more and more onto that world (cooking, not movies, lol) I think I deserve a re-watch...
kmerian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Pixar film, and this probably one of the best pieces of writing in any movie, anytime. Outstanding.
What floors me is that this is in an animated family movie. It's one of the most thought provoking monologues in any film and it came out of a movie about a rat that can cook. I wish I could have been there when they were story-boarding this and read through that part of the script for the first time. I wonder if they just sat back, looking at each other with a sparkle in every eye realizing, we've got something magical here.
DJRIPPED ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not crying you're crying
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember I recited that review in a public speaking contest in my middle school. Those were the days. Ratatouille will always be one of my favorite movies. I'm 20 and still get emotional every time I see it (well over 50 times probably).
IMHO, this a beautiful passage. I think a lot of folks can really relate to what's being said here. I know it resonates with me! The writers and creators over at Pixar are undeniably talented, and have proven it again and again.
They should have finally given Peter O'Toole the Oscar for his nuanced performance of those lines. Probably also helps that he had a love/hate (and mostly hate) relationship with critics.
I think it's generally a good point for a lot of things in real life as well (as other comments have pointed out).
shylocxs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually write real, published art criticism. This speech always resonated with me, in a really positive way. People are misreading this amazing statement as if it means criticism is just finding fault in things, which it's not. Instead, criticism means to critically engage with an aesthetic experience, and sometimes to realize when a new paradigm is in front of you that challenges all of your preconceptions. Sometimes the point of criticism is to say how awesome something is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great monologue, but I completely disagree with the dull view it takes on criticism and critics. Criticism is, itself, an art form. And the very best criticism stands alongside the greatest works it criticizes. In fact, criticism often surpasses the artistic merit of its subject.
Werpaf ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:18:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone gold this
[deleted] ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could listen to Peter O'Toole talk about anything, tbf. But that monologue is just sublime.
Both he and Anthony Hopkins have (had, RIP Peter) voices that make you stop and listen
Zuwxiv ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:36:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, that was Peter O'Toole? I didn't even know.
What a wonderful actor he was. Always hated how he went 0/8 for academy awards.
Holy shit, that was O'Toole. I always thought the monologue was delivered so goddamn well. Thought it was gonna be the peak of that voice actors career.
gpm21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget James Mason. He made Thunderbird bum wine sound delicious
LevynX ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:36:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That moment when she yelled that there are children aboard and the shot cut to Bob's reaction was so powerful. I need to go hug my mom.
matty80 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 19:11:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
The scene with her piloting the plane is the definition of adult fears. It's something I doubt any child would really understand beyond "DANGEROUS SITUATION, LET'S SEE HOW OUR HEROES EMERGE SAFELY!"
Meanwhile, says the mother:
Abort! Abort! There are children aboard, say again, there are children aboard!
Argosy37 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:32:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now you're getting into the territory of someone under a guardian's protection, because they haven't reached the age of adulthood. Does the end justify the means for children? Perhaps, but they don't necessarily understand means in the first place. Giving a child a shot is no more involuntary than removing a child from playing in the street is involuntary.
The end result is acceptable when compared to the means of getting to the end result. We shorten it to โthe end justifies the meansโ or sometimes โthe end doesnโt justify the means.โ
If โthe endโ where eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. โMeansโ that would justify that โendโ would be: I got a job, made some money, took some of my money to the store, bought ingredients, came home and prepared a peanut butter and jelly. Another acceptable โmeansโ would be asking someone for their peanut butter and jelly and they give you unpressured consent to eat it.
There is a gray area where โmeansโ could be debated. If someone was hungry and although they were capable of work but unable to get a job and they went to store and stole only ingredients to feed their family, fed their family, and with the last heel of bread, the last drop of jelly, and the last smear of peanut butter made a half sandwich and ate it themselves. Some would say the end was justified, some would say it was not.
However, if I took a gun went to an employee lunch room shot people and grabbed a peanut butter and jelly and ate it. No one would say the means justify the end. Peanut butter and jelly although supreme in the sandwich world , is not worth a single human life.
TLDR: only the sith deal in absolutes
enjaydee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm in a remote area with no cellphone coverage and my buddy gets seriously hurt. You bet I'm going to break the speed limit to get him to hospital.
If I'm in a burning building ans can't safely make it to any of the exits, I'm going to "vandalize" the building by smashing a window to get out.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. The ends never justifies the means. That's an absolute.
It is definitely not an absolute
tonyp2121 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:00:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Sure thats evil but at the end of the movie his whole plan revolved around giving everyone super powers, not killing supers that was just a means to an end. I'm not saying thats right but killing 20 people and giving everyone superpowers doesnt seem wholly evil.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:27:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
His goal was to make superheroes completely normal because being unique makes them special. Syndrome had a chip on his shoulder for not being special enough. So he murders and steals the powers of those he failed to impress in his youth. He wants the chaos that will erupt when people who have no way to handle new problems. He gets rich to from cleaning up the mess he created.
Sad part is, he legit could have been a superhero if he wanted to. His super power was being incredibly smart. He could have been ironman! But he decided that because Mr incredible was a dick, he had to become a super villain instead.
tonyp2121 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just feel like thats not such a problem. "Oh now everyone can be super fast oh no now I'm not special :( "
I mean the murders is evil sure but giving everyone powers doesnt seem evil.
It does when you realize the pure chaos it will cause. We are talking about people with every day issues using powers beyond their control. Not to mention the government trying to get the best power for them, causing other governments to want I and you you a MADD situation forming.
red-bot ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:24:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Bob comes home and gets into an argument with Helen really hit home for me. It's a family movie, and families aren't always happy. It reminded me of the few times just before my parents' divorce where they yelled at each other late at night when they thought the kids were asleep.
I know it makes for a better movie, but I would've loved to see the kids actually scared. Dash slips into his place as a hero right away, but I don't see Violet handling the situation that well.
Adhiboy ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Violet freaks the fuck out when Elastigirl begs her to make a force field and she can't do it. The talk on the island afterwards between them is quite touching. How often do you see mother/daughter moments in superhero films? Not to mention action films.
pbjamm ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:04:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That whole sequence makes me cry every time I watch it. It is so perfectly executed and real.
Helen switching into work/Elastigirl mode and snaping orders at the 'team' but they have no idea what to do or what kind of real danger they are in. Everyone becoming more desperate and panicked until Helen switches back to Mom mode and makes a desperate attempt to save them. It is beautiful.
Bob shouting at Helen
"I can't lose you again! I'mnotstrongenough..." also gets me every time.
JTtornado ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And most of them have that moment at least once, but some really shine in this regard. Some of their movies made really brave decisions when it came to the depth and execution of the characters and plot development - Ratatouille for taking such a ridiculous concept and making it work, Up for tackling a heavy subjects like death and aging, Wall-E for having a main character who barely talks, and Inside Out for well... the whole film.
Seriously, who goes to make a film, sits down and says "let's make a children's film set from the perspective of the inside of a kid's head, and make it about how growing up is both hard but ultimately good, with the moral of the film being that it's ok to be sad." ...and then freaking makes that film, and it's awesome. I've never seen another filmmaker try to do anything nearly that challenging, much less do it so well. They take concepts that adults have a hard time explaining and break it down so kids can understand it and relate to it.
Ironically, one of the least brave stories they've done IMO is Brave.
Brave is definitely one of their weakest films, itโs basically โIโm a rebellious teenager, oh no I made Mom a bear, oops, sorry about that whole bear thing Iโll grow up now.โ
JTtornado ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:17:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It's seems being stuck in production forever did not help it, just like the Good Dinosaur.
Brave had a very Disney feel to it overall, despite the director insisting it would be a powerful social statement. Merida not wanting to marry one of the guys was selfish from the perspective of her parents and obvious from her perspective, considering how dopey her options were. As much as it pains me to say this, The Princess Diaries 2 did a better job of that plot than Brave did. The real story was about Merida's relationship with her mother, but it ended up being muddied up by all of the trivial subplots.
I didnt love it but it was more than that, imo. It took a direct hit at second wave feminism, which violently eschews girliness in favor of more masculine pursuits. It attempted to show that real power can be had in femininity. (The scene that comes to mind is when the queen walks into a room and instantly commands respect and stillness.) Not to mention all the requisite family, self-belief, and empowerment themes. Was it muddled? Certainly. Was it one dimensional? Id argue, no.
Released same year as Wreck-It Ralph, which is a film that feels genuinely more like Pixar than it does Disney (I know the companies are linked, they just don't produce the same content)(also know this has been said a million times)
Just wanna give Wreck-It Ralph a shoutout. What an amazing movie, especially for Disney standards
It blows my mind that people think Cars 2 is Pixar's worst outing. At least it was vaguely original or interesting. Brave isn't bad but it might actually be the most BORING movie I can name. It's like watching paint dry. It's like eating plain oatmeal. It's like waiting in line at the post office. It adds nothing to any conversation, nobody really wants to hear about it.
I'm still sore that I paid money for a ticket to that movie.
Rayne37 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:17:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The best part of Brave, straight up, is just its opening song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA9nZrhFo4U
I have only seen the movie once, never plan to see it again, but that song has stayed on my 'focus and get shit done' music list for years.
I know technically not just Pixar, but Meet the Robinsons probably hit me the hardest. "Keep moving forward" and all that. It actually helped me out in college while I dealt with anxiety and some personal problems. Dwelling on things helps no one.
I wouldn't really say that they "turn adult." I'd say that most of their great movies can be seen almost entirely from an adult perspective. All of Toy Story 2 is about Woody struggling with mortality and whether or not it is better to live a long life without happiness or to life a short and happy life. All of Finding Nemo is about the fear of losing your child. Ratatouille is about accepting and encouraging new artists. WALL-E is about environmentalism. Inside Out is about learning that sadness is important to our lives and that we can't always be happy. Coco is about how one balances their cultural traditions with their individual dreams. Even Cars has the relatively deep theme of people not being able to appreciate the world until the slow down and take a look at it. Pixar movies don't just turn adult for a moment. They just can be seen as both kids movies and adult movies.
Here they are. There are 2 scenes that are disturbing. One is where lightning gets lost and makes his way into a junkyard of abandoned cars. The really disturbing one, starting at 5:37, is a different version of the scene where he paves the road. In the deleted version, instead of just hooking him up to a paver, they secretly transplant his engine into a paver. Then they put mater's engine in Lightning's body. He goes on to the race instead of lightning, while treating him like a prisoner.
mom0nga ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 18:03:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:15:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do think we need a depressing-as-hell animated movie to be released for older audiences by Disney or Pixar. It would be an interesting world to see what kind of world they can make and what they can pull from it.
I think adult media is doing a great work of depicting depressing-as-hell scenarios by itself, between Black Mirror, Game of Thrones and the like. If anything, I think adult media lacks hope. Everyone is too concerned in taking whimsical dreams apart but not as much in what can still be done.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A show could be 80% fulfilled hopes and 20% dashed hopes and still be a very depressing-as-hell scenario. Just in the face of the 20% the 80% seems like it doesn't matter as much.
I bet a show with 20% fulfilled hopes and 80% dashed would actually come off as more hopeful.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we do. They've both spent decades with the premise that "we can make you feel really hard, but we're not going to harm you". Even a very nihilistic much less depressing movie would at the very least fracture their audience and ruin a lot of trust.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would be better for our society if they released that. Measures that hurt society but make you feel safe are a big problem. It might have been an interesting take on that film.
thats a young adult concept at the earliest. My 5 year old brother loves zootopia and while hes smart, im not sure he could handle that kind of concept. Thats dark, even if true. Like school shootings, not a concept for 5 year olds to worry about even if its realistic.
Zootopia is pretty dark as-is, if you ask me. The whole thing is a weirdly specific parallel to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s, right down to it being a conspiracy designed to put the "predators" in their place. The argument for the "law and order" candidates back then was that black communities were savage wastelands because of crack, and the police response needed to be ramped up. Compare that to Zootopia, where the "prey" in power is making predators "go savage" by spraying them with chemicals?
Idk, I bring this up every time people talk about Zootopia, but that movie felt really morally icky to me.
Garbled, for sure. I think their heart's in the right place, but I can imagine two very different sets of people seeing the movie and having their beliefs reaffirmed.
"See, Billy? We're not so different after all, the things that divide us are superficial."
"See, Billy? Black people really are animals who are just repressing their savage nature."
Obviously I don't think that was the intent, but a) it's a topic that needs more nuance than a 90-minute children's movie can provide, and b) the plot they went with too closely mirrors a real-world historical event that was used to justify racist accelerationist policy.
bearflies ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:35:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's garbled only because there's like 30 different messages you can take out of it which all really boil down to the idea of "anyone can be anything." Judy lays it out word for word at the end of the movie.
Judy is discriminated against because she's not seen as being physically capable of the same job as larger animals -> Judy ends up being the most capable person at her job. Lesson: Don't discriminate -> anyone can be anything.
Nick is shady, but with a heart of gold, and later it's revealed he's that way because society only saw him as a predator so he decided to only watch out for #1, since no one wanted to watch out for him. Judy watches out for him -> Nick joins the police force -> finds purpose in helping others besides himself. Lesson: What you see on the outside isn't an accurate reflection of what's inside -> anyone can be anything.
Judy spends most of the movie believing herself to be a super cop who is immune to the same discrimination she's faced all her life -> Judy meets Nick -> Judy realizes she's still afraid of foxes -> Judy apologizes to Nick and not only befriends him but recruits him onto the police force. Lesson: The supercop could subconciously be racist -> The fox who sells illegal popsicles could be a cop -> anyone could be anything.
There's like a billion more examples spread through the movie too. It probably does draw parallels to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s, but it also draws parallels to every racist event in history. I remember when it first came out people were talking about how it was very obviously written in response to the string of cop killings that had happened recently.
Nope, the movie's just broad so that everyone gets it.
Nick said that it was pointless to try to be anything else if people think you could only be shady. The creators actually called Nick "kind" and "honorable" at that time in The Art of Zootopia, and that he was doing the only thing he thought he would be allowed to do. While he did have caring friends to help him, Judy was the one who was in position to help him get a legitimate job. I don't think Nick's personality changed so much as he stumbled into an opportunity.
Also, Judy couldn't find anything illegal about Nick's popsicles, and several fans have imagined how Nick might not actually be in tax trouble. In addition to demonstrating his honor, this avoids a horrible hypocrisy, Nick arresting people for committing crimes when he doesn't have to face any trouble for those of his own. So, you can either re-edit the movie to include jail time or a pardon, or you can imagine that he really is as law-abiding, albeit shady, as he claims.
Damn, did not think I was gonna be doing a deep dive on the politics and message of Zootopia when I woke up this morning, but here we are, haha.
I think you're absolutely right: at least in terms of messaging, it's broad, which is partly why it doesn't work for me. I think the specific plot they chose, though, is so close to the real-life conspiracy surrounding the crack epidemic that it couldn't possibly be a coincidence. And for that reason, I think it's kind of icky.
Itโs icky to you because you drew a bizarre parallel. The parallel is bullshit, as even the example you linked shows. You say itโs weirdly specific, but the term used there is superpredator. Is that ever mentioned in the movie? If itโs weirdly specific and is supposed to reference this quote from H Clinton, then why isnโt it that specific?
You need to step back and realize that the term predator is a term that is borrowed from the animal kingdom, in order to describe crime. Itโs not that weird that a movie thatโs literally about the animal kingdom in a big city would use the same term, or encounter similar situations as common crime scenarios.
WrenBoy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Also the predators in Zootopia were the city's elites, not its criminal element.
Edit:
Zootopia is probably the worst kids movie ever. Certainly the worst big budget animation. I can't understand how so many people like it.
Obviously you know Iโm not gonna get my kid to come type to a stranger on the internet. So why donโt you just state what point youโre trying to illustrate here? Cause so far itโs not working.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I asked you to ask your kid.
I'm assuming that you can transcribe his response. If you like I can summarize the plot but I am curious what your kid got from it.
My opinion is that the main plot is far to complex for a child and, in order for it to make sense, it assumes that the viewer is familiar with the intricacies of representative democracy.
Usually children's films have side plots or jokes that are meant for adults. This film has an entire main plot which is surely incomprehensible for kids under 10. My kids were 3 or 4 at the time so obviously they didn't really get more from it than cute animals running around trying to be police somehow that doesn't really make sense. That's fine for that age. I assume that most 9 year olds didn't get much more out of it though. That's terrible writing.
On my way out of the movie a kid who looked about 7 or 8 asked whether the mayor was a good guy or a bad guy. His mother struggled to explain it in a way that he could understand. It should be really easy to explain a kids movie. Its for kids.
Funny, to me the points you list seem to answer your question as to why this movie is so acclaimed, and have in fact helped me appreciate it more.
Itโs a unique and complex story. It goes far beyond the standard Disney plot, and yet it manages to tell this complex story in a way that everybody, of all ages, finds relatable and enjoyable. 3 year olds love it. 6 year olds love it. 9 year olds love it. 12 year olds l love it. Adults love it. As you say, โso many people love it.โ Itโs one of the highest grossing animations of all times, despite having a much richer, political, complex story than any other I can think of. This is an accomplishment, not a drawback. Kids stories are simple because itโs very hard to write a complex story that kids will enjoy. They enjoy this one, so any criticisms of it being too complex are invalid.
You say you assume that a 9 year old wonโt get much more out of it than a 4 year old, and your entire argument against the movie is based on this criticism. Of course, it is purely an assumption, as you acknowledge, but you donโt seem aware that a baseless assumption shouldnโt form the basis of any concrete argument. But worse than that, itโs a pretty bad assumption. Youโre not giving enough credit to child development. At 9 years old, being raised in a sheltered Christian environment, I recall reflecting on the possibility that if I was raised Muslim, I would believe the Muslim faith as fervently as I believed in Christianity at the time. 9 year olds are capable of more thought than youโre giving them credit for.
Similarly the fact that the movie sparked thought provoking discussion between an 8 year old and his mother is a credit to the movie, not a criticism. Her failure to answer is her own problem, but I want my kids engaging in critical thinking like that and asking me those questions, especially about characters and their nature. I love hearing that question about that ambiguous mayor! Far too many kids movies feature unrealistic black and white, good and bad characters. This is in contrast to the real characters that kids will encounter in real life who will be far more subtle shades of gray, including people who might do them harm. An abusive relative, for example, could otherwise come across as a โgood guyโ so the child is prone to assume that all things he does must be good. We need storytelling that is realistic and yet still magical like Zootopia.
As it happens my kid is going to finish watching this movie this afternoon, for the first time in a long time. Iโll try to get a plot synopsis from her then. Sheโs four.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll try to get a plot synopsis from her then. Sheโs four.
Ill be pretty impressed if she realises that the assistant mayor, a herbivore, wants to become mayor in a city where carnivores are the elites despite being a minority and that, in order to satisfy her ambition she concocts a diabolical plot to turn the timid herbivore majority against their carnivorous betters thus maximizing her chances in the mayoral election.
A movie doesn't need to be complicated to make children think. Kids don't know how representative democracy works. This movie is nonsensical if you don't intuitively know what the fictional city's natural voting blocks would be and how this could be exploited with an over complicated scheme.
Your daughter is just going to think the 2 main characters and the sloth were funny. The movie is badly written. The people who like it are adults not kids.
Kids like any old shit but they love movies like Finding Nemo or The Lion King or Toy Story. Those movies make sense.
Ill be pretty impressed if she realises that the assistant mayor, a herbivore, wants to become mayor in a city where carnivores are the elites despite being a minority and that, in order to satisfy her ambition she concocts a diabolical plot to turn the timid herbivore majority against their carnivorous betters thus maximizing her chances in the mayoral election.
Obviously. My kid talked about scenes that she liked. She liked when the bunny threw the carrot over the fence and tricked the fox into going over. She also knows what herbivores and carnivores are. Those terms arenโt mentioned in the movie but Iโm betting you just chose the terms cause you thought it made it less relatable to her. In reality she knows those terms better than predator and prey.
Kids take what the can process from a movie. My four year old enjoyed it and took what she could. Hereโs a review I found written by a ten year old:
One of the best movie, there is twists left and right, me and my friend went to see this movie and we were so exited when the movie ended. Right when you find out about a twist, and your suprised, another one comes, and when I thought that the movie was over, a whole new part started with even more new twists.
Hereโs another:
I came to see Zootopia with my friends thinking it was going to be a goofy little kids' movie....I was wrong! Zootopia was absolutely amazing and beautiful. It really seemed to capture themes of following your dreams and standing up against bullies; it was a very inspiring movie.
They donโt need to know all the subtleties youโre talking about to understand the plot. They understand what they can. Do you think kids understand the patriarchal demands of mid-eastern society that demanded princess Jasmine to stay entrapped in the castle until a marriage between royalty could be arranged? They donโt need to. There are plenty of jokes in the movies you mentioned that are intended to go above the kids heads. I donโt see you complaining about those.
The funny thing here is how youโre putting the cart before the horse. Youโre saying the movie is terrible because itโs too complex so itโs โincomprehensible for kids and they wonโt love itโ but you didnโt arrive at that conclusion with any supporting evidence of kids who donโt love the movie.
Kids love this movie. My nephew and niece loved it, my kid loved it. Youโre an adult saying that kids donโt love it, without any evidence, and actually in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Itโs ridiculous.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not a subtlety, its the main plot. If you don't understand that, which no kid does, you didn't follow the main plot.
No young kid saw that no is and understood the main plot. You think its ok that no kid instance the main plot of a kids film. I don't. That's all there is to be said.
I didnโt insult you for having a different opinion. I insulted you for supporting your opinion with absolutely nothing, and yet sticking to it obstinately in the face of evidence and logic. You have a stupid approach to developing your opinions, which I only realized after having this discussion with you, which is why the insult only came out now and not when I encountered your opinion. See the difference?
The subtleties you were talking about were the main plot. The movie doesn't make sense without understanding that.
No. You talked about understanding democracy and voting blocks and none of those things are any more integral to the plot than what I mentioned about Aladdin. I gave you examples of young children giving an understanding of the plot synopsis and you ignored those. Children do understand the movie, but you insist that they donโt, based only on your own assumptions. Youโve offered nothing to support your argument so Iโve had to conclude that the reason you assume other people wonโt understand things is because you have a low propensity for understanding things.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I insulted you for supporting your opinion with absolutely nothing, and yet sticking to it obstinately in the face of evidence and logic.
That is a lie on multiple levels.
1) I don't need to supply evidence that kids don't understand the subtleties of representative democracy. That isn't in dispute.
2) You have not supplied evidence that they do so I am ignoring nothing.
3) I am supporting my opinion with something. Specifically my understanding of the films plot and my awareness of the general knowledge of infants.
4) Your specific insult said I didn't understand the main plot, as I am claiming kids don't. You are lying when you say you were insulting me for high minded reasons. Of course, even ignoring this lie it would hardly be polite to insult someone just because you felt the evidence they provided was light.
Going back to your point with Aladdin, that wasn't a main plot point though, was it? The equivalent in Aladdin would have been why Jasmine could not marry Aladdin. Unless this was explained clearly in the movie it would have been unclear to a child unfamiliar with the concept of a royal bloodline and monarchies in general. That is why Aladdin, a well written movie, spent a considerable time explaining this concept in such a way that a child could understand. Get your daughter to watch the movie and ask her why Aladdin needed to pretend to be a prince. She will likely be able to reply.
Your issue is that you don't know what the main plot of Zootopia and Aladdin are and don't know or care why it is important for a child to be able to follow it.
I didn't say the movie parallels the video I linked, I said it parallels the crack epidemic. The video is just an example of the popular thought at the time.
I know but you used the video as your one and only example of how โweirdly specificโ the parallels were to the crime epidemic, and your example wasnโt even a specific match!
The video is not an example of the parallels at all. It is literally just a video of Hillary Clinton's famous "superpredator" quote. There are no examples in my comment of parallels because obviously the idea that the CIA introduced crack into poor black communities in order to justify militarization of the police is a conspiracy theory; one that closely mirrors the plot of Zootopia. Is that better?
The whole thing is a weirdly specific parallel to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s, right down to it being a conspiracy designed to put the "predators" in their place.
That, my friend, is an example. It is also โliterally just a video of Hillaryโs superpredator quoteโ but those two things are not mutually exclusive. If it were not intended to serve as an example between the situation Hillary was referencing and the language in the movie, then what place did it have in the sentence? Why did you say it? What purpose did it serve? Zero.
Letโs use your new term, closely mirrors.
The predators in the movie were in control in the past. They have a huge natural advantage over the prey. Besides some possible genetic athletic advantages, black people arenโt ever privileged in society the way predators are in the movie. Mirror skewed.
The movie clearly sets up the word โcuteโ as a word like โniggerโ which only rabbits can say to other rabbits. But rabbits arenโt predators so the black people mirror is skewed again.
The fact is that this is a movie about animals having complex socio-political interactions that imitate the urban interactions of humans. The chances that it by coincidence resembles some actual human sociopolitical occurrence far outweigh the chances the makers of the film had some bizarre morally questionable racial message they wanted to insert into a Disney with no tangible benefit.
__spice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'd really have to do a deep dive into repressing strong emotions and the impacts of doing so for that little nugget to pass muster
Sovva29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First time seeing this and dang...... that whole premise is incredibly dark.
Part of my twisted mind wants to see this whole thing animated now.
mom0nga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:11:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Part of my twisted mind wants to see this whole thing animated now.
The old version of the movie starred Nick instead of Judy. In this version, all predators wear permanent "tame" collars which can only be removed, temporarily, by a doctor. When Nick hurts his neck, the doctor removes his collar for a few seconds to examine him. During that moment, Nick is overcome with feelings of joy and freedom, and realizes that this is a business opportunity. After being turned down by every bank in Zootopia, Koslov (the mafia polar bear) agrees to fund Nick's idea: "Wild Times," an underground, predators-only theme park operated out of a fraudulent doctor's office. Predators visit the "doctor" and have their collars removed so that they can feel joy and excitement while having fun in the park. Eventually, Nick is arrested for this scheme, but he breaks out of jail, and Officer Judy's job is to recapture the "savage predator."
Would the audience realize that the "predators" weren't really dangerous in the shock collar version of Zootopia?
In the real world, predators can be kind and friendly until they "snap," far more frequently than with humans. Sort of the tragedy of zoo big cats, y'know? The keepers may love them, but just one minute, and a keeper is dead.
mom0nga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the predators were still portrayed as they were in the final film, they just weren't trusted by the prey.
I'm saying that it is the fact that the "prey" interact with "predators" without fearing for their lives that tells the audience that the "predators" don't involuntarily snap.
With the shock collar plot, it could be that the "predators" are dangerous, and Nick's in denial when he acts hurt and confused about it.
syllabic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
John Lasseter helped write the brave little toaster which has an extended existential sequence in a junkyard where all the household objects are confronted with their destruction and mortality
To a really freaky song too
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the deleted version, instead of just hooking him up to a paver, they secretly transplant his engine into a paver. Then they put mater's engine in Lightning's body. He goes on to the race instead of lightning, while treating him like a prisoner.
Man I wish they kept that junkyard scene in the final cut, I miss when kids' movies had terrifying scenes in them. That definitely would've scared me as an 8 year old.
I honestly thought it was a little bit more of an adult movie than a kid movie. it's been a while since I have seen it, and i'm sure there are little kids out there that like it, but compared to movies lik Toy Story, bugs Life, Incredibles, the intended audience felt much more adult like.
Ratatouille was an adult movie that kids could enjoy, not the other way around. If it weren't Disney/Pixar doing it, it would have clearly been seen as Kafkaesque surrealism.
I think most Pixar movies are adult movies. Or at least, neutral - neither specifically for kids or for adults. Too often we see animated movies and immediately think "kids" and I believe that is a shame.
Take Inside Out as an example. Kids will certainly enjoy the characters and bright colors and silly moments. But the movie is about the end of childhood. And I don't think that is something a child can truly understand, until they are a child no more. It's fascinating to me.
Watching the movie with my kids, I was stunned and delighted that something like this was in a PIXAR movie. (SPOILER: I don't think he's talking about food)
Most Pixar movies have a scene that does that to me. The door opening in Monsters Inc., the cowgirl's song in Toy Story 2, the beginning of Up.
Oddly, Inside Out didn't have that for me, though you'd think a movie about emotions would push your button at some point.
PXB_art ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:23:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
May I introduce you to our Lord and Savior Bing Bong, who died for our sins?
Freyanne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remeber really disliking Jessie from Toy Story 2 as a kid, and didn't exactly "get" her flashback story/song. Man, did I have a huge change of heart when I rewatched that part as an adult. Especially with how she gets anxiety/claustrophobia when it comes to be put inside a box or closed container.
Also, it's genuinely thought-provoking. Anyone who's ever been in a position for their work to be criticized can relate to what Ego is saying. The effect that Remy's cooking had on him is what every aspiring artist wants their creations to do. I don't know, maybe I'm just speaking for myself here, but as someone who wants to go into a creative industry, the speech resonates with me a lot.
Favourite part of the movie is that speech right there
bonestamp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
The story about why that scene exists, and maybe even the movie itself, is as powerful as the scene itself. Here is Jason Calacanis (started Engadget, etc) interviewing Ed Catmull (President of Disney Animation/Pixar) on that:
Iโve never seen this movie and have a two week โbachelorโ time because my spouse is traveling for business. I think Iโll check this out!
CrimsonPig ยท 15666 points ยท Posted at 15:44:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I've always liked Anthony Bourdain's comments on the movie:
"I think it's quite simply the best food movie ever made,โ Tony wrote today in an email. โThe best restaurant movie ever made--the best chef movie. The tiny details are astonishing: The faded burns on the cooks' wrists. The "personal histories" of the cooks...the attention paid to the food...And the Anton Ego ratatouille epiphany hit me like a punch in the chest--literally breathtaking. I saw it in a theater entirely full with adults--and the reaction to that moment was what movie making was once--a long time ago--all about: Audible surprise, delight, awe and even a measure of enlightenment. I am hugely and disproportionately proud that my miniscule contribution (if any) early early in the project's development led to a "thank you" in the credits. Amazing how much they got "right."
I don't know much about him but he always came off friendly to me, how is he a dick?
jhaake ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 18:33:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't, I've never seen him be anything but respectable and kind. Maybe it's just his demeanor that causes people to think of him as douchy. I think he's particularly self deprecating, definitely not a dick.
joequin ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 20:34:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes he seems cranky on his show. Like the kind of cranky you can get when you've flown halfway across the world and have to work without sleeping first. It never seems personal though.
Going all "it's PC culture's fault" seems like such a cop out. Calling things as he sees them can still make him a dick. There are times where it's best to keep quiet. Kanye tells things like he sees them and yet it seems like it's mostly the right wing anti-PC brigade that hate him. George Bush didn't really care about black people, he was right, Katrina's mark can still be seen today. Didn't hear anyone go "oh it's that PC culture" back then. For the record I quite like Anthony
-cupcake ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 19:55:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's exactly a dick. I'm a fan of his shows. He can be very frank and crude and opinionated, and he's kinda got a "bad boy" persona as opposed to some other "family friendly celebrity chef" types, so perhaps that's where it comes from.
But, notably in his shows Parts Unknown/No Reservations, he is always extremely and genuinely grateful and invested in the people, the culture, the customs, the history of the places he visits. And in his writing/commentaries he always seems very thoughtful.
Maybe you can make a caricature of him out to be a "dick" but to me it doesn't fit the whole picture.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:15:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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-cupcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did they get rid of Parts Unknown, too? It's been a long while since I last had Netflix... I remember them being a little behind on the seasons, but both were still up there. Unfortunate that No Reservations isn't there anymore :(
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is anecdotal but hereโs a story.
I was once at a reception and somehow found myself talking to him (long story) about food. We had not been talking long, maybe 2 minutes, when he suddenly asked me what restaurant I cook at. When I told him I wasnโt a chef he simply dropped his facade, turned and walked away without a further word.
He's got a reputation for being exceedingly sassy, opinionated, and blunt about his opinions in his columns, books, and shows. Bourdain (along with Gordon Ramsay) helped popularize the image of "brutish, yelling head chef" that so many other chefs emulate to varying degrees of success.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because heโs always touting his bullshit liberal propaganda and hitting all the main talking points about being culturally aware and loving of all people except anyone right of center in his TV shows meanwhile all he does is visit poor countries and get fucked up on expensive whiskey while kids around him in these slums barely have clothes to where, all the while telling us how to live our lives and be more understanding and caring.
He just is. Not always and not in all situations, but definitely has that streak. Like Gordon Ramsey, who is actually a decent and kind person if you just meet him in a casual setting. Fuck up his new restaurant with your incompetence though, and you'll see a totally different person.
elriggo44 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:45:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He is a dick in the same way every asshole who worked in a kitchen his/her whole life is a dick. Itโs a very specific kind of dickishness that is combined with a dash of wit and charm.
Iโve worked in a ton of restaurants and the head cook (or chef depending on the place) is always a dick. But theyโre good dicks.
I imagine itโs the same kind of attitude that arises in the military, although Iโve never been in the service. Itโs the hard edged guy with a sharp tongue and attitude who has your fucking back and you donโt really know it until you need to know.
Itโs also a very no nonsense attitude.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmm good dicks
2OP4me ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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HatimD45 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:09:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His whole style is just so interesting.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:09:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the way he writes too. The couple of articles he did for Lucky Peach were fantastic.
Anthony Bourdain became an unlikely spokesperson for the #MeToo movement last fall when his girlfriend, Italian actress Asia Argento, publicly accused Harvey Weinstein of rape.
But the celebrity chef and host of CNNโs Parts Unknown was hesitant to give himself too much credit when The Daily Showโs Trevor Noah brought up the โpainfulโ issue during their interview Wednesday night.
โI came out of a brutal, oppressive business that was historically unfriendly to women,โ Bourdain said, speaking about the restaurant industry, which has been rocked by its own sexual-misconduct scandals in recent months. โI knew a lot of women, it turned out, who had stories about their experiencesโabout people I knewโwho did not feel I was the sort of person they could confide in.โ
It was only because of his relationship with Argento that women began opening up to him about those experiences. โI started speaking about it out of a sense of real rage,โ he explained. โIโd like to say that I was only enlightened in some way or Iโm an activist or virtuous, but in fact, I have to be honest with myself. I met one extraordinary woman with an extraordinary and painful story, who introduced me to a lot of other women with extraordinary stories and suddenly it was personal.โ
โTo the extent that I ever woke up, that certainly had an effect,โ he added. โSo I think, like a lot of men, Iโm reexamining my life,โ Bourdain said, noting that he wrote what he now thinks of as โthe meathead bible for restaurant employees and chefsโ in his breakthrough memoir, Kitchen Confidential. โI look back, like hopefully a lot of men in that industry and think โ not necessarily โwhat did I do or not do?โ โ but โwhat did I see and what did I let slide? What did I not notice?โโ
Among the chefs accused of sexual misconduct in recent weeks was Mario Batali, a man who Bourdain considered, and may still consider, a friend.
โLook, no matter how much I admire someone or respected their work,โ he told Noah, โIโm pretty much Ming the Merciless on this issue right now. Iโm not in a forgiving state of mind. I mean, that shit ainโt OK.โ
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:16:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TheBold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
ยซย Im like Genghis Khan, the great conqueror! OBEY TO THE KHAGANATE OR YOUR VILLAGES WILL BE PLUNDERED AND YOUR CHILDREN IMPALED!ย ยป
You know, perhaps associating yourself with an actual, efficient villain is not the smartest thing to do.
Except Genghis wasn't that much of a villain. He allowed a large degree of self rule.
DdCno1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Consider using Firefox (if you're on Android). It supports uBlock Origin (as well as almost every other add-on). Downside: Since it's the full desktop version of the browser, just with a different UI, it's slower than other mobile browsers and needs quite a lot of RAM.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She was cucking him with many guys including some of the dudes from their jiu jitsu gym.
She's way better than him and wanted to fuck black belts.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:19:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See, that kind of thing disappoints me a bit - not that he supports #MeToo, but because this is a man who built his career on being a dick to people, and to realize this late in life that being a dick had a real consequence, and only because of a personal connection to a victim - that's kind of sad. Like, how did you not figure that out sooner?
Good on him for learning, but I call that "minimum standard for being a human being".
-cupcake ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:31:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have examples of when he was a dick to people? I know him only from his shows and reading a few things outside of that and I just replied to a comment asking about why people think he's a dick. I don't think he's a dick. I'm curious
rounced ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:31:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being an asshole to an employee and sexually harassing them are worlds apart though.
You're potentially fucking up my business/livelihood? Sorry, you're going to be told what you did wrong and not to do it again, and I'm not likely to be "nice" about it. What you have between your legs is irrelevant to that discussion.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The point of TFA was that his demeanor gave people the impression he was okay with "kitchen culture" which included the harassment problem.
[deleted] ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 17:01:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a perfectly succinct description of the genius that is AB.
michUP33 ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 17:12:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB=Alton Brown for me.
chrisr938 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:28:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Iโm out of the loop. Why is Anthony Bourdain a dick?
tire-fire ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:18:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me it seem he's got that cynical, low verbal filter approach to most topics he touches on, usually has a brutally honest way about him. That can probably come off as a bit of a dick at times.
I find this approach to life may get one labelled as a "dick," but in reality, the honesty just means the compassion shown to others is similarly honest. And AB has shown a lot of people compassion.
I've rolled with him in BJJ before. Tough guy. Really, really nice and humble though. Introduced himself as Tony. Didn't turn down any rolls or put any conditions on rolling with him (which a lot of celebrities do). Took time after training to take pictures with whoever wanted them. I've met celebrities of a way lesser degree that were 1000x a dick as him.
Ennion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:51:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You get to see a more real Tony when he is with Eric Ripert. His Sichuan episode is a good one. He seems to act himself more and not such a pretentious douch. I Ike Tony, he's a great narrator and author.
iknighty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never really thought of him as a dick and I've read many of his books/seen a lot of his shows. What would make you think he's a dick? Genuinely curious about this.
There is a comic book out now called "Hungry Ghosts" that you should also check out. Totally different, and might not be up your alley, but he's involved in a ton of diverse projects and it's one of those examples!
ansonr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I have often thought of him as the American Jeremy Clarkson.
I got a lot of the similarities with kitchen confidential, especially the burns he mentioned and his telling of how his parents left his snotty ass to go eat in restaurants in France.
Ya'll love Bourdain, but ya shit all over Guy Fieri like he did something other than follow his dreams. I think his fridge with the racing stripe is cool, bet you guys would love it if Banksy had painted it.
I think some parts of the movie were inspired by his book Kitchen Confidential. (especially when they give the back stories of all the cooks which is something he talked about in his book.)
As a salty ex line cook and former bitch ass sous chef and current subscriber and poster on /r/kitchenconfidential , Just about everyone in the industry agrees that its one of the best restaurant movies. Other good ones that go the rounds in that sub are Big Night and Chef.
Big Night is effing amazing. Just rewatched it for the first time since the 90s. It's timeless.
That scene at the end where Tucci makes the omelette in real time. No dialogue.
Chef is also really good. It just makes me laugh that Favreau decided one day, "I'm gonna make a movie, and do you know who my love interests are gonna be? Sophia Vergara and Scarlett Johansson."
duaneap ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 18:11:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I get to eat cubanos, hang out with Robert Downey Jr. and kiss Sofia Vergara and Scar Jo and there's no one that can tell me I can't!"
cire1184 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:18:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef is Iron Man if Happy Hogan retired became a chef and decided he was into latinas and his best friend was a drag queen.
duaneap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Based on the 2nd half of your comment, I think you and I watched a different film. However, I am highly interested in watching the film you watched.
cire1184 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:30:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should watch Too Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie newmar if you like John Leguizamo.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he already worked with RDJ and Scarjo in Iron Man..
ilovecfb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That ending scene of Big Night is so disarming. Even without the context of the rest of the movie it does such an amazing job of expressing the characters' feelings, and without dialogue. It moves some part of me in the way that I imagine people who subscribe to /r/ASMR must feel moved.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ASMR is a little different, more physical. What you're describing is known as "frisson".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Night is the only movie I have downloaded to my phone.
veroxii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That breakfast scene truly is one of the most memorable scenes in all of cinema.
Most definitely, Iโm also glad it came out when it did. If it came out present day the Internet hate would be huge for being a โfeminist fairy taleโ
What are you talking about? Off the top of my head I can see a redemption story after one man loses his livelihood. There's also a father/son bonding plot. There's even a message about the power of social media.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was more about internal redemption. He'd lost what he originally loved about cooking. The food truck road trip with his son brought it back.
He gets roped by an influential food critic and then embarrassed himself publicly in his restaurant after having to decide whether his freedom of expression or job is more important. Thatโs some pretty obvious conflict.
I'm actually ashamed to say ive never seen that industry movie. I liked super troopers and beer fest but HATED Club Dread. Should I give Slammn Salmon a try?
Jay is brilliant in Slammin Salmon, and Michael Clarke Duncan is hilarious. The โhow is everybody feeeline tonightโ had me creased up laughing.
Itโs not a great movie really, but itโs well worth a few hours, and there are some decent cameos.
sabjsc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I too hated club dread. Slammin salmon was very good in my opinion. I would put it on par with Beerfest for my personal tastes, with super troopers still at the top.
Definitely give Slammin Salmon a shot. It's not as refined as Beerfest and Super Troopers but it's still hilarious, easy watching imo. Def better than Club Dread.
Chef completely threw me off because I've been ingrained to know that if things are going well halfway through the movie, catastrophe is coming soon after. But the feel-good moments just kept coming and coming. It's one of those rare movies where I watched it again right after the end credits.
Epitomizes feel good movie. It feels good to feel good. Wish more of these kinds of movies were made. Keeping a degree of realism in a feel good movie makes it even more enjoyable. I feel like Chef did that pretty well.
A lot of films with no central conflict end up being badly reviewed, but Chef is of those movies that works because there is no central conflict.
Rayne37 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there was an instigating conflict. Basically the big bad fallout just happened at the start of the movie. Then after that it was only minor hiccups along a mostly uphill recovery from the original issue. I would definitely love more movies like that.
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 17:21:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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duaneap ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 18:09:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed exactly because it was so light. There was no villain, no particularly major conflicts, no attempt to shoe horn in heady drama. It was just a fun, easy going, food loving road trip film that you don't have to think too much about and I absolutely appreciated it for that. Also the sound track was boss.
The happy ending didn't feel terribly unrealistic to me. Which part did you not buy? The journey to get there (mainly the kid / social media bit which you covered) was obviously BS, but the idea that a world class chef could get beaten down by a boss who basically wants his restaurant to be a corporate gig going back to his roots and gaining success again doesn't seem too far fetched to me.
Plenty of great chefs have had some huge whiffs on their road to success.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:32:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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alhoward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And there was never any explanation or indication as to why they got divorced in the first place, so there wasn't any growth or development to get to that point. It was just completely unearned.
On the wife front, I kinda figured they broke up because he was miserable and was stepping out to try and fill the void left by cooking food he was not proud of.
For the son, it was obvious from the get go that the kid idolized him. Once he was basically forced by his wife and circumstance to spend some time with the kid he realized that the kid wanted to be just like dad. Not hard for any remotely reasonable person to connect with someone that wants to emulate them.
As far as opening his own business, the wife had been with him before. Chef / back of house life is always weird miserable hours. She's used to it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looks to me like it's technically more about directing (Jon Favreau, the main character and the director) than it is about actually being a chef. It draws parallels without being a direct allegory and is more about the creative process and industries than it is about 'chef life'. It does make the setting feel as nice as possible, and one of the major points was the importance of balancing life-work and how good content doesn't mean good reception since, like you said, the kid's marketing made all the difference.
Really not a bad film, but a bad film if you want a 'restaurant life' film. Ratatouille is better for that.
ZanThrax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Chef, largely because it's such a blatant allegory for Favreau's movie career - did some small, well-reviewed stuff, got the opportunity to make a commercial movie, which became a big success, was told to do the same thing again, which left him feeling burned out and stuck in a rut. Got shit reviews for doing more of the same. Got in a fight with the guy who told him he had to stick with what he did on that first big success and not try anything different. Fucked off and made something small scale and fun with some of his friends. Got reinvigorated by doing so.
jtr99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely with you on this, dude. In my opinion, Ratatouille is proper top-50-movies-ever material, and Chef is just so lazy, cheesy, and cynical. It's paint-by-numbers film-making. John Leguizamo struggles bravely but even he can't save this burnt sandwich of a movie.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I liked it. It isn't Citizen Kane, but it is a nice, feel-good movie.
It's funny, I think Ratatouille is a masterpiece, and while it's definitely not as good a film, I'd consider Chef's complete lack of conflict to be a strange strength for it.
I truly have a hard time thinking of a film that has less conflict than Chef. After the first 15 minutes, it's just a celebration of food and family, and after awhile it just kinda says "I'm done, that was nice" and ends. It's wild.
Thrashy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My fiancee is a professional chef, and it's amazing how out of touch with tech and social media most exec chefs, KMs, and other senior staff can be. She's defaulted to social media manager and general tech support at several of the places she's worked.
Ex exec. Here, did an AMA on r/kitchenconfidential a long time ago. No longer Cook for a living, but it'll always be a part of me...agreed on this list of films.
I can't stand Chef. What made that movie a "happy" movie for you, instead of a sappy one? Because I found it difficult to sit through, it just felt contrived.
Vio_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say that, "as a movie," it's a hot mess with its plotting and structure and is single-handedly saved by Peter O'Toole's review monologue. It's clear that they had a lot of writing/structural problems during development, and had to patch things together.
But it's such an adorable movie despite those flaws.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Vio_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:47:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it' the difference between Wall-E and Ratatouille. Wall-E was an incredibly well written movie that had very little problems with the structure. Ratatouille had a number of weird subplots, quirks, and threads that either didn't go anywhere or didn't quite work.
Wall-E was strong start to finish.
debacol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Night is hillarious.
xiaodown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely love Big Night. The story of the brothers and the love for the food is just the best. Need to still see Chef though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Il Timpano
Decabet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im not in the industry, but Big Night is like porn for me. Chef too. I've made Timpano 3 times thanks to Big Night where once the idea of doing that would have seemed insane to me.
I remember reading that Ratatouille was very well received in France. That in some theaters people stood up and gave it a standing ovation. If that isn't a vote of confidence in this film, then I don't know what is.
Chef introduced me to pasta aglio e olio, and I am forever grateful.
[deleted] ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 19:14:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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RPA12345 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:13:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, props to you man. Life handed you the most rotten lemons and you made something good outta it. I would legit love to see your story as a book or a movie(any kinda media really).
ges13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man. Itโs not a glamorous life, but it makes me happy :)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:18:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was beautiful
ges13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you :)
oorr23 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:04:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you cut onions for a living?
ges13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully quickly and not like Mommy. YOU ARE NOT MOMMY!!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:55:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you should make your own post. Not enough people have seen this comment
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:15:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ordinarily I hate long posts like these because they feel like such a chore to read through. This is not one of those posts. You're pretty damn good writer, props to you.
excellent comment. thank you for sharing. as a dishwasher i somehow get how you feel, a little.
ges13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah man! Iโve done plenty of dish shifts in my day, and Iโm sure I have more coming my way. Youโre never really done with it, thereโs always going to be that day your guy calls in sick, or has to take their SO to the hospital, or just decides heโs too good to do an honest dayโs work. Dishies kick ass! Theyโre one of the most valuable parts of a kitchen, and they make the best cooks too :) If this sounds like a path you want to explore, ask if thereโs some extra prep your chef or kitchen manager needs a hand with. Are the utensils disorganized? Does it take your cooks five minutes shuffling through a pile of measuring cups, ladels, and tongs to find the fucking Y-Peeler? Fix it; whenever possible offer solutions, not more problems for your chef to be worried about. Even if they donโt care (and those hateful, asinine idiots do exist unfortunately) you at least know that you did it. And, through doing it, you learned some valuable organizational skills and got some genuine kitchen experience. I live for the moments Iโm cooking, but thatโs just one aspect of the job. Itโs a dirty gig, and in my experience the guy willing to do the dirty work is always treated better than the guy who went to school for it. The nice thing about the industry, at least as far as Iโve seen, is that if youโre willing to learn and to work thereโs nowhere you canโt go with it. I donโt have any Michelin stars on my sleeve. Yet. But I know that if Iโm willing to make the sacrifices necessary (and there will be A LOT of them) I can get there. I hope this doesnโt come off conceited. In the big picture Iโm still just a minnow that found itself out in the ocean. But Iโve been just a dishwasher before, and I remember how that feels. I know how rarely youโre given the appreciation you deserve. So be proud man, youโre still further along than everyone else who thought cooking was a cute job. Youโre putting in the effort; and if you decide this is really what you want youโll be better off for having done it. Heard?
not_on ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well done dude. Keep on cookin'!
3404 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 21:39:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chemists (especially the older ones) have puncture scars between the thumb and middle finger from attempting to insert glass tubing into cork and it snaps, stabbing them.
Anyone working with electronics has a burn scar somewhere. Soldering irons are hand held lead melters and you learn the hard way to respect it.
Carpenters are professional splinter removers.
Tailors and clothes makers have bled on their clients clothing from needle sticks.
These can be avoided by being safe, but will accumulate because nobody is perfect. It's the minor injuries that make a craftman's hand.
Nuwamba ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 19:28:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone talks about how ballet dancers have fucked up feet, but no one ever talks about how modern dancers may have bruises on their backs, knees and the tops of their feet. You put a lot of weight on those portions of the bodies in most modern techniques (Limon, Graham, etc.). You get trained to be able to avoid getting bruises, and sometimes wear knee pads or dance shoes in practice(normally you are barefoot), those injuries are common.
Other signs of ballet dancers:
Toes point outward when walking or standing.
Knees that bend inward when standing (bad for your knees but itโs a habit)
Also my dad is a painter, and I notice he has callouses and indents where he would rest his brush in his hands. I donโt know if thatโs common.
Basketball players get fucked up feet too. Not ballet bad, i played through college and my foot was 1/4 callous with fucked up toes from getting stomped on/bad landings after dunks. Ankles are all deformed from countless sprains. My pinky toes both broke a few times and they kind of look like harry potters scar.
Its a great game, but much more physical than people realize. NBA tends to be less physical than college, so a lot of people just see those games where wade gets fouled by jumping into a guy lightly and dont know that at lower levels refs dont call those tippy tap fouls.
I don't know if your design is purely graphical, or also involves writing, but there is also this thing called dรฉformation professionnelle: how one's profession warps their world view.
Example: physics essentially requires accepting that there is one external, observable objective truth, and to do physics properly requires setting aside personal desires for how the world should be, and after careful observations and meticulously verifying that what you observed is correct, accept the truth of what the data shows.
Physicists then tend to naively ignore the last part when discussing non-physics subjects, not realising that they do not have enough knowledge to do a complete and proper reasoning about the matter, and wrongfully conclude that they can in fact explain everything objectively better. Some also manage to find the mere thought of subjectivity having any validity offensive, and don't see the irony of how that is a very subjective, emotional response and how much they apparently value that emotion as correct.
(and I say this as a former physics student who thinks the world could do with a lot more rationality)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. As a lawyer, I see this way too often - lawyers having the instinct to say "no" or "you can't do that" or "this is a problem" instead of losing sight of an end goal, coming up with an alternative, or finding a more creative solution. We're not usually creative, which sadly is the kind of insight you need to be able to take advantage of things like emerging opportunities.
Saw a perfect example recently when a friend asked me what to do with a car he damage. A professional detailer said the only way to fix a scrape would be to touch-up, sand, polish and hopefully even out the scrape; the body shop he took it to said the only fix was to re-spray the whole panel. Neither ever considered the other alternative.
I just wanted to say I love this comment. There's just something really human about it, I don't know how to explain. Just these small errors people accumulate, you know?
I had a friend who was a glazier, his party trick was finding a new splinter of glass to pop out of his hands / forearms.
I'm a full-time mural artist, so I just have drops of paint on 90% of my clothes and shoes. (Not just white paint, either, which is a point of difference with commercial painters.)
Also my brother and stepbrother are both carpet layers - it's not very noticeable, but their knees are fuuucked up.
Chemists (especially the older ones) have puncture scars between the thumb and middle finger from attempting to insert glass tubing into cork and it snaps, stabbing them.
My university professor has a story about being able to tell who was an old school biochemist by how many fingers they had left. Back in the day, centrifuges didn't have proper brakes, so they used to help slow them down by hand.
Back then centrifuges were multi-tonne things so it's easy to see how trying to slow down the central spindle that was spinning at several thousand rpm resulted in the occasional finger loss.
He also mentioned the time where a centrifuge was loaded unbalanced and the subsequent vibration caused it to break through from the second floor down to the ground, much like one of those cartoon baths falling through an apartment building.
MrTheFysh ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These are all things I'd never considered.
I just know calluses on fingers/thumbs indicates a guitar player.
I fix electronics in my spare time for friends, can confirm I have burn marks. Only 1 from soldering iron, 2 from electric burns due to shitty grounding when I first started.
Also carpentry, did plenty of that with my dad when I was younger. Fuck carpentry. I do it often enough, but I take every measure possible to make sure Im not getting any more splinters, lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have calluses on the corners of my fingernails from learning to code on a small laptop
I was just a Boy Scout, and my hands are covered in old burn scars from reaching into the fire while cooking. Can't imagine what a real chef looks like.
I don't cook professionally but I cook my own meals most of the time and even I have a few burns here and there. I'd imagine working professionally in the kitchen would really rack the burns up
Most people have already answered, but in his book Kitchen Confidential, he has a story about trying out in a kitchen and getting a burn and another chef basically laughing at him when he said he needed first aid and grabbing a sheet pan out of the oven with his bare hands because of how many burns he had on them.
In the kitchen I used to work at, the apprentices called them 'the markings of our people'. When you work around a kitchen all day, your arms and hands work in constant tandem with large, hot, and sharp objects. Each burn (hopefully) just teaches you to be thaaat much more careful.
"I'm quite good at the Ratatouille video game for the Wii. I remember I was a rat in a tin can with a paddle and I were to race other rats in tin cans with paddles. I think I came in 2nd place so I might win this time." - Anthony Bourdain
rythian_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is really gonna make me rewatch Ratatoullie. Havenโt seen since I was a kid but I remember loving it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An amazing review when you take out the part where he thinks movies were only good "a long time ago". So sick of that "my snl cast is the best" line of thinking.
93devil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love how the lowercase r totally changes the timing of the epiphany.
l5555l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and the reaction to that moment was what movie making was once--a long time ago--all about
God damn why does everyone who's famous have to just shit talk modern movies. You aren't watching enough or trying to find anything good if you haven't seen any good films recently.
[deleted] ยท 3623 points ยท Posted at 16:01:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had tears in my eyes watching that scene in the movie when the Critic tastes the Ratatouille and it reminds him how his mom used to cook. That flashback part is pretty phenomenal.
bungopony ยท 1445 points ยท Posted at 16:27:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pixar are great for those small touches that resonate. The opening of the door at the end of Monsters Inc., and "Kitty!" - it brings me to tears every single time.
[deleted] ยท 490 points ยท Posted at 16:39:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monster Inc. was my least favorite movie as a kid because of those ugly looking characters but watched it an year or two ago along with Monster University and realised how mind blowing it was.
Same thing for the Nightmare Before Christmas here. I always found it just way too creepy, and the way the characters moved was unsettling for me. I ended up watching it on tv about 2 years ago or something and it's now one of my favorite movies.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:18:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I find it really boring as an adult. I think the creepy factor held my attention better when I was a kid but now that I've seen actual horror movies it's just not that interesting anymore.
As an adult, tim burton movies arent nearly as good as i thought they were. Theyre not bad, just not good.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:15:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a genius script when you think about it, You fully accept a WILD premise 2 and a half minuets into a film that there is another dimension full of monsters that power their own society through children's screams in a high risk facility. you get all that information very clearly and accept it. That is freegin difficult, i don't think i could explain peter freegin pan in under 2 minutes. this was brought to my attention by a podcast... We'll See you in Hell or Harmontown, i don't remember which but it really stuck in my head
_Serene_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because of those ugly looking characters
I witnessed some kids being frightened by the movie live as well, so that's a reasonable reaction.
Personally really enjoy that movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that movie is not for kids I guess, one needs a better control over his emotions to understand it.
I feel like University deserves more credit. It tackled a subject that people don't just actively ignore, but detest. The idea that not anyone can be anything they want even with an insane amount of dedication and hardwork. But that they can still achieve greatness if only it means adjusting to the cards they've been dealt.
lageasy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVE monsters Inc. I was surprised how well the sequel was. I typically hate prequels.
_Kiserai_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:01:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Adventure Book scene towards the end always gets me to this day. The music, the expression on Carl's face, all of it is just magical and beautiful and tragic at the same time. I've seen that scene many times and it's still one that leaves me congested and dehydrated when it's done.
I fully expect to cry at some point during a Pixar movie and that's half the reason I see them. Not many movies connect with the audience emotionally like they consistently do.
I first watched it with my daughter, who was the spitting image of Boo, with the pigtails and all. Him losing her door had already softened me up pretty good. Then getting that last piece - man.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
MU is nice, but there's little emotional resonance.
PXB_art ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If that scene were up to me, I would have had Sully open the door, confusedly look around and then we hear an adult or teen voice say "Kitty?" Smile. Fade to black. Credits.
Obviously the opening to Up kills me and the montage in Toy Story II with Jesseโs girl growing up - dear god I cry like crazy.
Also, otherwise awful non-Pixar/animated movie, but the end of Armageddon with the โtake care of my little girl, thatโs your job now...โ
As a dad of two little girls, I canโt make it through that one.
acyslz ยท 488 points ยท Posted at 16:11:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That flashback - along with the scene when Andy gives Woody to the girl in Toy Story 3 - hits me hard like a comet. I still remember the shock when i first saw those scenes. Very simple details make the most impact.
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 16:16:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that too. Toy story series is legendary. I, being a grown-up, never felt much attachment to even the Lion King but toy story hit me right at the nerves.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:28:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally went to university the year three came out.
I was a fucking mess at the end.
bungopony ยท 379 points ยท Posted at 16:26:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Andy gives Woody to the girl
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downspin ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 17:23:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Phrasing! Are we still doing phrasing?
alfis26 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:36:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise. The scene of him explaining all the toys as he passed them on made me cry so goddamn hard. As a kid I had a Woody and Buzz and some others from the film, so it really cut deep.
I remember seeing Toy Story 3 in the theater, it was packed with mostly adults and teens. The people that grew up with the franchise.
At that moment all you heard was sniffling and sobbing. I think probably 80% of the audience was crying or puffy eyed walking out of the theater.
The summer I saw this movie my brother - who I'm very close with - was about to move away to go to college.
After Andy gave the toys to the little girl they showed him as he drove off with his car full of stuff. I cried in the theater during that scene as I realized that my brother would leave and I wouldn't see him everyday. It's weird how that moment and scene has stayed with me for 8 years.
I am constantly amazed by Pixar's movies capacity to capture the ineffable complexities of human emotions in their stories. Their movies elicit such strong emotional connections with audiences across the world. You can really tell how much thought and care their creative and production team put into every movie.
__spice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the twilight of my college years when I watched Andy giving his toys awayโฆI haven't felt that strongly in a long time
Fangpyre ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 16:52:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This scenes never fails to give me goosebumps no matter how many times I see it.
The scene is full of emotions that are difficult to describe or portray. You have the critic in a state of hate with the intent to destroy. But in an instant is transported to a state of both vulnerability and love. Peace.
Skinnerโs โtraditionalโ portrayal is still amazing, but is eclipsed in comparison. He is simply torn between his hate for the protagonist, whom he wants to see fail, and the joy of the food that is probably taking him to a state of bliss very similar to the criticโs.
And the piece de resistanceโฆ that speech.
Phalexuk ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Iโm really hungry and itโs making me emotional because I started crying as soon as that scene started.
Please help me - I didn't like the film because of one glaring flaw, maybe I missed something; why did the rat decide to cook ratatouille for the critic? It just felt so random that he suddenly chose that dish about all others. He had no insight into the critic, nor his past, and no inside info that I could see the reasoning behind choosing that dish.
I'm choosing your comment to reply to because you seem passionate and smart about it, I'm genuinely asking and not being a dick.
Iocle ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 19:09:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Ratatouille is one of the most common "comfort food" dishes in French cuisine. It's highly likely that Remy, as someone who mostly self-taught, would fall back on a dish he was probably very used to making/seeing. He chose a dish that, intentionally or as simply the first thing that came to his head, reflected his humble origins and minimal formal education. It wasn't a successful dish because Anton loved it as a child; it was successful because Remy represented himself in that dish and pierced through the pretense of "craft" to truly connect through food. If it were a movie about an American chef, the equivalent would be like if he made Mac and Cheese. It's not a fancy or intricate dish, but a dish so common that even this mighty critic was forced to recall happier times when he truly enjoyed food without caring what it meant (which can be seen in how quickly he digs into the ratatouille in his flashback). It's not that he loved the dish because it was ratatouille. He loved the dish because it represented everything he lost and everything Remy is.
leafleap ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:51:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a theory that the little old lady whose house Remy learns to cook in is the criticโs mother. Many details inside the house match up.
Fangpyre ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a good question. I didnโt read too much into it myself, so Iโm just taking a stab at it.
The dish is considered rural (aka a pheasantโs dish). Whether or not the rat knew the criticโs background or not isnโt mentioned. But itโs safe to assume he did since heโs so famous.
In that case, the critic would definitely have eaten it a few times at the least.
My guess is itโs a dish he hasnโt eaten in a long time since itโs not fancy enough (everybody was shocked the rat did it). So even if it wasnโt his favorite itโs something he misses.
Iocle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great analysis! I agree that the fact that the dish wasn't fancy was the point more than it being his favorite. It seemed more like Remy was the first chef to cook what he thought was a good dish, rather than trying to show off to the critic. :)
Fangpyre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a bunch of people in the imgur thread saying it can't be the same woman because even though the possessions are the same the house layout is different, but what they don't realize is that Europeans are less likely to have "built-in" kitchens like Americans do and often take things like stoves with them when they move.
Linkario ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:47:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More concerned with the fireplace being on the opposite side of the door. Those dont just up and move. Didnt see any evidence of the door the kid version is coming in from exsists behind her chair either (since it would have to be some backdoor for the fireplace placement to make sense). Please correct me if im wrong though
What I'm saying is that the building is definitely different, but it doesn't mean it's a different woman. It means the woman moved and took her stuff (including the stove) with her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's likely the 3D modellers just wanted to save some time and this got misinterpreted. Still kind of cool though.
Fun fact: The producer of the film interned for two days in Thomas Keller's (aka the best American chef alive) restaurant in order to better understand French cooking. Keller was the food consultant on the film, and he said that that style of ratatouille is how he would serve the dish if the most famous food critic in the world walked through the door.
Me too. It was one of the first movies I watched in full after my mom died. Iโd seen the movie before but forgot about that scene and it hit me hard when I remembered it was coming up, and cried so hard when it arrived.
Dude. Sometimes, I FFW through that part because it's just so... personal. I mean, Mom's specialty home cooked meal as a cure for everything really resonates with most people. That part just hits me. And I can't be crying while watching an animated movie, can I?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of feeling like I missed out since I don't have a "mom's speciality home cooked meal" as a cure for everything. Leather steak and ketchup doesn't heal anyone's soul.
bob_2048 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I would be surprised if they didn't use Proust's madeleine as a reference for their animation of that scene:
I raised to my lips a spoonful of the tea in which I had soaked a morsel of the cake. No sooner had the warm liquid, and the crumbs with it, touched my palate than a shudder ran through my whole body, and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary changes that were taking place. An exquisite pleasure had invaded my senses, but individual, detached, with no suggestion of its origin. And at once the vicissitudes of life had become indifferent to me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusoryโthis new sensation having had on me the effect which love has of filling me with a precious essence; or rather this essence was not in me, it was myself. I had ceased now to feel mediocre, accidental, mortal. Whence could it have come to me, this all-powerful joy? (...)
And suddenly the memory returns. The taste was that of the little crumb of madeleine which on Sunday mornings at Combray (because on those mornings I did not go out before church-time), when I went to say good day to her in her bedroom, my aunt Lรฉonie used to give me, dipping it first in her own cup of real or of lime-flower tea. The sight of the little madeleine had recalled nothing to my mind before I tasted it; perhaps because I had so often seen such things in the interval, without tasting them, on the trays in pastry-cooks' windows, that their image had dissociated itself from those Combray days to take its place among others more recent (...). But when from a long-distant past nothing subsists, after the people are dead, after the things are broken and scattered, still, alone, more fragile, but with more vitality, more unsubstantial, more persistent, more faithful, the smell and taste of things remain poised a long time, like souls, ready to remind us, waiting and hoping for their moment, amid the ruins of all the rest; and bear unfaltering, in the tiny and almost impalpable drop of their essence, the vast structure of recollection. (...)
In my opinion, this film has not only some of Pixar's best writing and characters, but easily their best score. With it's incredibly melodic and motivic music, every single track is memorable.
[deleted] ยท 618 points ยท Posted at 16:21:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Le Festine will be played at my wedding, such a beautiful song
TimSPC ยท 388 points ยท Posted at 16:46:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was played at my wedding! We used it as our "exit" song after the ceremony and before the reception (held on the same site.)
Olaxan ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 17:04:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give Amelie a shot if you like the French/Paris vibes :) it is subtitled, and French- but damn it, if it doesn't portray that beautifully romantic city so well.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:54:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will do. Paris is such a dreamy place.
RidlyX ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:42:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have and can vouch for it. I went with no expectations thinking that itโs overhyped and that I will be disappointed. Turned out to be the best vacation of my life so far! Loved the place so much that I will soon be heading there for a job! :)
epic2522 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a legitimately beautiful place, people are let down only because they idolize it to such a degree that they forget that Paris is a living, breathing city like any other.
and that's actually what I love the most about it! As a parisian, I love that my city hasn't become a "city-museum" only visited by tourists. Paris is actually full of life, and even though I was born here and lived here my whole life I still discover new things every day :)
Paris reminded me of Toronto, or Manhatten. It was a city with an actual pulse. Whereas Manhatten's was more hectic, Paris' felt more measured. The streets felt as if there was an actual flow to them
I'm not sure why people give the place a bad rep. It felt like the movies
The trailer disagrees with your statement. It looks like it might be even better! The way incredibles portrayed simple things of a middle class family trying to blend in and the protagonist going through midlife crisis is what made it brilliant!
I was actually imagining the intro soundtrack ditty before I was reading this, haha
9kz7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Giacchino! He composed Le Festine too. He also composed most of Coco's score too, except the songs (those were composed by the same couple who composed the songs for Frozen)
Gnux13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Giacchino man. I bought the Medal of Honor: Frontline soundtrack years ago, and it's been a joy to see how many places he's popped up.
While Ratatouille has a great score (hell, my username here is a quote from Le Festin), Up is probably my favorite Pixar score. I cry just thinking about it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Outstanding. I didn't put my finger on it until the last watch, but it hit me how much I enjoyed the score. Easily my favorite Pixar movie, even if it's not their best story.
Unpopular opinion: Pixar movies have a tendency to fall apart in the second half (Up, Wall-E), and Ratatouille is one of my favorites because it stays so strong throughout. The pacing is bang on, and the plot is a really consistently beautiful story. Maybe because it's a smaller movie, i can't tell.
I don't think most of them fall apart in the second half. Some of them get weaker towards the end (for example, the scene with the net in Finding Nemo), but that's usually in the last 15-30 minutes of the movie, not the entire second half.
Sure, thatโs fair. I didnโt like the talking dogs or evil aviator stuff from up. I think Wall-E in the first half was one of the most incredible things Iโve ever seen, and then the rest of the movie dragged out what was already implicit in the premise. I think thatโs it: the premise is better than the plot. Not to say theyโre bad movies, just that theyโre never as good as the beginning.
Robert Rodriguez and Antonio Banderas have worked together since Rodriguez' first film El Mariachi, followed by two more films with the same character Desperado and Once Upon a Time in Mexico (collectively the El Mariachi Trilogy).
Aside from Banderas, the rest of the actors were all kind of B-list stars, except for George Clooney, who probably did his cameo role because why the hell not.
As for the famous actors who appeared in the other two movies in the series, I have no idea.
I remember wanting to go see Tomorrowland in theaters when I was 19. My friend and I got super high and the only thing I remember is not being ready for that ending, cause blowing up a little girl didn't seem like something that would be in this kind of movie. The movie ended and we both sat there for a second.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen it since it came out. All I can remember was something like
Kashekim ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The main point was that predicting the future was causing the future, they predicted Doomsday
corhen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They built a device that predicted the downfall of the earth... And for some reason shut down all their space probes, scientific endevors and everything and broadcast a "commit suicide" signal to earth to kill of the earth.
The ending was weird and bizzare.
Vio_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:38:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mixing Tomorrowland and Meet the Robinsons would make the perfect idealistic future movie.
Azhaius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aw I thought Tomorrowland was fantastic :(
Dark1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:27:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was a bad film. But every great director has bad films. I think we should first look to their best rather than their failures.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 15:50:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He also worked on King of the Hill, Rugrats, The Critic and peak Simpsons before moving to film. He has one of the best CVs in Hollywood, the quality of his work is underrated.
I missed the boat on The Incredible. The message I get from that movie is that some people are born better than others, and to strive beyond your place in the world will lead to ruin. Aside from that, entertaining stuff.
I don't think anyone was really prepared for that sequence. Pixar managed to tell a complete story for one person within the actual movie itself. And it was beautifully done. That sequence could have been it's own movie, but the summed it up in 10 minutes easy. I think it could have won an oscar if it were optioned in the short film category.
kwailo73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen "Grave of the fireflies"? I need to watch it again because I have it in my mind that it's so sad to watch the opening scenes. I'd love to be wrong...
I can only because I know my wife would perform exactly like she did when she risked her life to save the kids then forced them to be courageous in the water.
To be fair, originally this film was conceived by Jon Pinkava who also was originally directing it. Things happened and Brad took over, but I wanted to at least mention this particular project isn't his brainchild.
Just imagine what we could have gotten if they'd put him in charge of the Star Wars sequel trilogy like they originally wanted to instead of what we did get.
Prep_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:19:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I'm in love with Inside Out. Such a strong story of coming of age through turmoil and the effect it has on childrens' emotional development. The realization that all emotions, even sadness, has it's place and purpose for dealing with struggles is a powerful message to me. And the collapse of the personality islands as she struggles against her own despair for the sake of trying to put on a strong face to spare her parents of having to help her through it and the feeling of isolation it causes....man it just gets me.
Momasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The islands, ugh. I have two girls, and I lost it at that scene when the first one went (goofiness), just full on crying.
EpicVico ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:50:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hope he doesn't fuck it up with Incredibles 2
Slaxie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely. I liked The Incredibles right away and grew to love Ratatouille and The Iron Giant. Not sure what Iโd pick as tops now. Iโve told friends who havenโt seen The Iron Giant that it is almost a perfect movie and theyโll laugh like Iโm kidding. But Iโm not. All have action, a lot to think about and feel, and a great sense of humor. And my son has loved watching them again and again as much as I have.
_Jogger_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To vastly oversimplify - Ayn Rand's books are built around the theme of great talented men being held back, either by society or by the government. Her characters basically have to fight society to allow them to show how great they are. Her ideal society one free of all regulation where everyone is focused solely on themselves.
Brad Bird movies, especially the Incredibles, have a similar element where this person could do great things if everyone else would just step aside and let them. The government if present is usually a villain by way of overregulation.
Iohet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an animator, he's not wrong, particularly in that era of animation, where bean counters drove Disney from the highest highs of the 90s to the lowest lows of the 00s. And that's all still in the post-Bluth fallout, who Bird clearly is influenced by(most evident in Iron Giant, but generally evident in the themes of his films, which do not pull punches). The Fox and the Hound was the last Disney project both worked on(until Bird eventually returned with Pixar's acquisition).
I didn't mean to pass judgement on him and his work - my bad if it appeared that way
I didn't know Bird was at Disney in the 90's, but it's neat to see how his experiences influence his later work.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:22:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brad Bird movies, especially the Incredibles, have a similar element where this person could do great things if everyone else would just step aside and let them.
this is dead on, and bird also has a running theme of the "achiever" as being disrespected and laughed at by their social lessers and how that's unfair and blah blah blah. i like ratatouille a lot, but the message of "anyone can cook" really just means "i, brad bird, can cook, and you're dumb for not letting me"
Argosy37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I guess I need to watch Tomorrowland then. The message of the Incredibles was one of my favorite things about it.
Don't forget that Michael Giacchino wrote the musical score for both movies. Yes, both movies are brilliant on their own, but the soundtracks to each do a phenomenal job of enhancing them.
VF5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guess Iโm the only one who liked the original Cars (didnt bother about the sequels). It was the first movie Iโve ever watched more than twice at the cinema.
They nailed what it's like in a French kitchen apparently
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 673 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the atmosphere the film creates. You really want to be a part of the kitchen despite the harsh environment. Also, the animated shots of Paris are gorgeous and do well to express the beauty of that city.
The scene where Remy's in Alfredo's apartment for the first time and they pan to the view of the Eiffel Tower, man...
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 16:55:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly man. Also the shot of Paris when Remy first discovers he is in Paris.
dekrant ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:20:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was always skeptical of Paris, since it was cliche. But that scene forms my archetype in my head of what Paris can be. When I finally visited, I actually found a similar view and was blown away.
I recommend to read "Creativity, Inc.".
The guy (Ed Catmull) had a dream to make movie on the computer. So he worked hard toward that goal, invented a bunch of stuff needed for that (just look it up), and finally got his "Toy Story". But that's only half of the story, because when you achieve a goal you were strivin for for 20 years, what's next?
Definitely my favorite Pixar movie. Just showed it to my 2 year old daughter whoโs name is Remy and she was amazed. Much more enjoyable watching this with the kids instead of Peppa Pig.
Oh my god, that fucking bitch peppa pig. The fucking pig version of caillou. Fuck both of those shows. If I had a kid they would be banned from watching either of these shows. I wouldn't want my kids acting like that.
Both watch Peppa Pig. You donโt find Peppa Pig, Peppa finds you. Like a child version of The Ring. The ducational Peppa games are pretty good though. Lots of sorting and same/different type games. Great for 2-3 year olds.
Coincidence. I just happened to put on the movie recently since sheโs getting more into stories and features and then I realized... oh yeah! Remy!
lridge ยท 1585 points ยท Posted at 15:39:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is one of my all-time favorite movies period. The film is unlike anything in Pixar's filmography.
The cinematography is dark and warm and enticing. The score is delightful and probably Michael Giacchino's best work (and that is saying something).
Anton Ego is one of my favorite villains. Wonderful design. Resonant performance. He's SO EVIL, he killed a man using only his words. Terrific.
The steaks are lowered but also infinitely personal. This is a movie that doesn't end with a car chase or punching a villain, it ends with cinematically proving the sentimental and nostalgic nature of food and art itself.
From the premise, to the look, and the sound of the world, this movie is absolutely delightful from start to finish and I'll never understand why it isn't beloved the way Coco or Inside Out have been.
domogrue ยท 825 points ยท Posted at 15:45:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The steaks are lowered but also infinitely personal
i see what you did there.
[deleted] ยท 429 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's rare in this medium to see a pun so well-done.
Uripitez ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:59:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You killed the joke, burning it to a crisp.
3d_truth ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:54:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You just blue my mind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess people have never heard of having a steak cooked blue. Weird.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some magnificent ideas. He is a great wordsmith - and also young? I can always tell a budding writer with a lot of promise, because there is a hallmark of him or her having done the exercise of cutting loose from the rigidity of scribbling between the lines and developing his own personal style.
lridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about Brad Bird, Jim Capobianco, and Jan Pinkava?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:16 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about YOU.
lridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:57 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
aw shucks!
lridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a reference to a real life french chef who killed himself when he lost his 3 Michelin star, from 3 to 2. He more or less told it in an interview that if it would ever happen, he wouldn't be able to handle it.
As someone who has cooked their entire working life, nothing is more saddening than losing a colleague to suicide or death by over dose.
I know the industry attracts a certain "type" but in this day and age, where there are SO MANY great and talented chefs in the world, we need to learn to accept our defeats and learn from them.
I just left a very French restaurant after only a month because the mentality was "one bad yelp review could ruin us", among other things. We can't let reviews scare us and turn food into a joyless, stressful task.
We should not want to die over food.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:18:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you for getting out, I agree with your sentiment.
Don't be an asshole. He's not "justifying your friends' death". He's merely remarking that it is more than just food. It's a passion. Its an expression. it's an identity. And other things is well. Acknowledging that people struggle with real issues instead of minimizing their problems is not the same thing as justifying suicide.
Holy cow, it says here that he killed himself after newspapers reported hints that he MIGHT lose a star. I canโt imagine that manโs passion for his restaurant.
It's thought that the recently deceased Auguste Gusteau character is supposed to be Bernard Loiseau, and Gusteau's restaurant is supposed to be La Cรดte d'Or.
Monsters Inc. and The Incredibles are two of my favourites as well!
I also really like A Bug's Life. I know I'm probably the only person to care much about it, but it was one of the first movies I owned in VHS and I loved it.
That makes sense. I never thought it was bad per-se, just felt generic. The limitations of 3D at the time have also kept it from aging well. And lastly, I didn't see it right when it came out (the heavy amounts of marketing at the time was a turnoff to me) and there was already a plethora of crappy 3D bug-themed films out by the time I saw it. The plot held up, but it's hard to mentally disassociate it with all of the copycats.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it might be recency bias, but I'd put Coco up there as well. That movie might be Pixar's most emotional.
souprize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love all of pixar's films, but Wall-E is definitely my favorite. The rest can be deeply touching and engrossing, but none of them to me capture the optimistic sociological message of Wall-E.
I love the very end, at the Peter Gabriel song, when it shows the ship coming back to Earth and it's like being cavemen for a second time. And the way they did the progressing scenes as copies of great works of art.
Bspammer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd agree with your list but replace Wall-E with Inside Out. I love Wall-E, but looking back that love comes almost entirely from the first act and the rest of the movie is mostly just forgettable.
Drikkink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like Up that much in retrospect. The first 20 minutes or so are an emotional gutpunch and would have been an amazing beginning for a movie, but it goes completely batshit crazy in the second half.
You're certainly gonna upset a lot of Miyasaki fans more than Pixar ones
vincoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would replace Up and The Incredibles with Inside Out and Finding Nemo but I'm basically in agreement, particularly about not including Toy Story. I definitely appreciate the Toy Story movies but they've never resonated with me the the rest of Pixar's work does.
Also, I haven't seen Coco yet so that might eventually replace something in my top 5 whenever I do get around to watching it.
I like Nemo a lot and I love Ellen's Dory, but after a few times (I've got kids) Albert Brooks becomes more and more annoying. Too many NEEEEMMOOOOOs.
Also, maybe I'm missing something Inside Out doesn't make sense to me - what are those islands, and why do they dissolve so quickly? If I have a bit of a bad experience, I don't forever discard that area of my life. Didn't resonate with me.
vincoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could definitely see how NEEEEMOOOO would get annoying if you have kids and have to watch it consistently.
To a certain extent, Inside Out is about depression/despair which are distinct from sadness. Because Riley is suppressing her sadness it also changes how she feels her other emotions; specifically, she can't feel joy anymore and only feels anger, fear, and disgust. Suppressing her sadness and, by accident, joy leads to her suppressing her memories associated with those emotions which then starts changing/destroying her personality represented by the islands (which are really a mixture of personality, hobbies, and likes).
In your comment, you mentioned having children which would usually mean you're well into your adulthood. Moving away from the only home you've ever known is pretty hard regardless of your age but an adult should have enough life experience that they're able to handle that kind of change reasonably well. An 11-year old, who doesn't have the same experience and maturity, is going to view it as the worst thing that's ever happened in her life. When you're that young, any big change or event is going to seem like the most important thing that has ever happened to you (so far) and it arguably is.
Notre Dame is my favourite animated movie soundtrack. Overall, there are other movies I like better when adding in everything else (characters, writing, animation quality)...but musically? Notre dame is the winner.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hellfire and Bells of Notre Dame are simply epic and haunting. Tony Jay was the master.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:28:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mulan for sure dude
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:53:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mulan is awesome. Some of the best shots ever in animated films belong to that movie. The action is fantastic, the humor is good, the music is great, and most importantly the story is emotional and terrifically executed.
I never saw it and really enjoyed this article you posted (slow day at the restaurant) I've also never seen a movie so widely and heavily praised as on this thread. I had no idea. Will definitely be watching it soon! Thanks for sharing.
johnsorci ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 16:39:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Ratatouille is by far one of Pixar's best works. I think the reason it hasn't been "beloved" as much as Coco or Inside Out could be because of who it's catered to. Coco has the huge audience of Mexican culture who saw the film and amazed at how beautiful and accurate it was. Inside Out was extremely relatable to everyone as a child, and especially anyone who has gone through depression.
Ratatouille was a beautiful film that anyone can enjoy and appreciate, but I think it really resonates more with chef's or fine artists more than the average person.
bungopony ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:45:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I found the opposite - Inside Out seemed to try too hard, and didn't really resonate with me. Ratatouille on the other hand is just damn near perfect.
Dark and warm and enticing. Those are the words I was looking for. The look and feel of Ratatouille is cozy, in a way not often seen, and certainly not seen in the rest of Pixars films.
Itโs all those amber tones and rest of the films gorgeous color work, coupled with the charming music. Itโs just a really pleasant film to take in.
I feel Ratatouille suffered from being followed by WALL-E, Up, and Toy Story 3, the latter two are of the few animated movies to be nominated for Best Picture.
And then of course the Oscars went back to snubbing Pixar just a few years later. Inside Out was a way better movie than Spotlight in my opinion, and Coco was better than almost every nominee this year (Iโd only put Phantom Thread above it).
The scene towards the end where he's going through the scrap book in my opinion was one of the most powerful scenes from Pixar. Him going beyond the "Stuff I'm Going to Do" for the first time to realize Ellie had filled it out. Carl realizes he didn't fail her by not keeping his promise but rather that their life together was an adventure in it's own right that she cherished because she was able to share it with him.
"thanks for the adventure! now go have a new one!"
vincoug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean "should have been" nominated for Best Picture? I know Wall-E wasn't, that and The Dark Knight were the impetus behind expanding Best Picture nominations from 5 to up to 10. And I don't think Toy Story 3 was nominated either. Off the top of my head, Beauty and the Beast is the only animated movie to be nominated for Best Picture.
I dunno about Coco; that might just be recency bias. Inside out is probably beloved because more people empathize with it's themes as its literally things that have gone on in all our heads.
I watched Coco VERY recently, and I can honestly say it shot up instantly to my top 3 Pixar movies. Ratatouille is still my number 1, but Wall-E has some tight competition with Coco at this point for the number 2 spot.
It's not a recency thing for me, it's a strong bond to my family, who is very spread out or not as close anymore. It's about making sure to be close to them. It's about music. It's about just so much. I have only cried at 3 movies before I watched Coco, and now (annoyingly) that number is 4. The movie is charming and heartwarming in all the right ways, and fully deserves the praise it receives.
It's 100% the lighting that makes the movie. Followed by the soundtrack. The warm incandescent glow just sets the mood in a way that nothing else really could.
I haven't heard of Inside Out being so acclaimed. I've seen it a few times but I wouldn't put it in the top five or seven of my favourite Pixar movies. It felt like it was trying too hard.
Drikkink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ratatouille isn't so well loved is because it didn't originally resonate with kids. A lot of the people who were in their Disney/Pixar years when it came out, just saw "Haha it's a rat cooking how funny" and not the message of it. A lot of people only really love it when rewatching it older. It was my mom's favorite movie from day 1, but it didn't really impress me the first time. I'm now a culinary student and it's one of my favorites.
Was typing similar thoughts then saw your comment which synthesized it so well so I'll just say: ditto for me.
ocxtitan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Inside Out is the worst Pixar movie I've seen, I really don't understand why it was so well received, it's boring to me and I just didn't become attached or invested emotionally to it in the slightest.
9kz7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Inside Out is the worst Pixar movie I've seen,
I hope you have never watched Cars 2 or possibly The Good Dinosaur then.
ocxtitan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Later I did remember Cars 2 in a comment, but I'd personally rather watch The Good Dinosaur again, my daughter loves dinosaurs so that's an easy win.
Yeah, me too. I admire it for not being a cliche, but parts of it don't make sense to me. Why would the islands dissolve completely when she gets a bit upset?
Ratatouille reminds me so much of the time I spent working in kitchens.
I had this dude who was constantly on top of me, telling me what to do and how to cook, and eventually I got him fired when I proved he was stealing tips.
Used to be that every single one of them included an "Incredible". It's just a fun little running gag . Look around a little bit longer and you'll find a couple of other ones.
That and Wall-E are both astonishingly good films, animated or not, and should have been considered for Best Pictures, especially considering what they were up against:
Wall-E: The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Frost/Nixon, Milk, The Reader and Slumdog Millionaire
Ratatouille: Atonement, Juno, Michael Clayton, No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood.
Donโt think either deserved to win, but both should have been nominated.
[deleted] ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 16:32:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Cause the academy members only ever watch whatever they get dragged into watching with their kids or other family members.
Edit: changed critics to academy members.
I actually am not really a fan of No Country for Old Men. It's extremely well-directed, well-shot, well-edited, and well-acted, but the characters don't seem 3-dimensional and the movie is so oppressingly bleak at all times that I never even have much of a hope that there will be a happy ending, which means that I'm not surprised by how bleak the ending is. I can't appreciate darkness without there being at least some light to compare it to.
vincoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Wall-E does, at least compared to the movies that were nominated (fucking Benjamin Button?!), Ratatouille has a much harder case. It should have been nominated instead of Juno or Michael Clayton but it's hard to make the argument that it deserved to win over No Country for Old Men or There Will be Blood.
shlooney ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:01:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nukleon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame disney fucked him so bad on the marketing of John Carter. That movie is way better than so many other movies of that kind and it got absolutely buried because they didn't sell it right.
As much a fan as I am of Brad Bird, I'm going to say Pete Docter. Pete Docter is solidly ingrained with the company, Brad Bird I think of less as a member of Pixar and more someone who has a good relationship and works well together with Pixar. Even The Incredibles, while belonging to Pixar, is a movie I think of more as a Brad Bird movie than a Pixar movie.
In a way, I see Brad Bird as a Spider-Man to Pixar's Fantastic Four or X-Men, while Docter is one of the more official and regular members of those teams.
Show them the musical! I think it's amazing how great it is, takes the best parts of the Disney movie while being closer to the book and dialing back on the Gargoyles to better fit the story (and to not ruin the flow of the entire second half of the story) It's my favorite musical and this is coming from a theater geek, very good, hopefully it will make it to Broadway someday.
Our son was three when it came out, and he dressed as a chef for Halloween, in the Ratatouille chef costume from the Disney Store (when they still had Disney Stores at the malls).
edit: Which, by the way, I miss. It was nice to go there in winter for a Disney fix! The worst thing their marketing department ever did was give places like Walmart and Sears etc. the right to sell Disney stuff. If only they kept things exclusive to the stores and the parks...
Buerdax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had chocolate covered strawberries for Valentines Day, and I pretended I could see swirly different colors and shapes for the two different flavors :)
I'm right there with you. When it came out i unintentionally made plans with 4 different groups to go see it, ended up watching it in theaters 4 times and i just love it.
Back when I was living at home, I would watch Ratatouille and go into the kitchen and make a fancy bowl of Top Ramen with eggs and herbs and spices.
Now I cook for my husband and make legitimate nice meals and channel my inner Remy whenever I do. Itโs so much fun, and I love love love this movie. I always watch it if itโs on.
Itโs mine too. It just feels like their most mature film. It doesnโt rely much on comic relief (I think it might be the only Pixar movie other than Inside Out that doesnโt have a silly comic relief character who mainly is just in the movie to make kids laugh), it has deep themes, and is just a beautifully made movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ride is pretty fun too ๐
Johnnycc ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 16:16:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anton Ego getting hit with that wave of nostalgia is so goddamn perfect. It completely encapsulates that instantaneous and unexpected feeling of being transported back to a great time in your past by something as simple as eating vegetables and sauce.
The whole movie is a joy to watch, but that scene ranks among Pixar's very best ever.
I blame Ratatouille for my love for cooking now. I saw it when I was 9 and apparently I liked it so much that I asked a for a cookbook for my birthday a couple weeks later.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:29:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When the film came out when I was 8 it actually made me want to eat at a nice restaurant in Paris and when I turned 18 I had the chance to go to Paris and I was so amazed that every restaurant or bistro or cafe I went to was so good no matter how busy it was. Thank you Ratatouille!
My granddaughter is now 8 and this has been her favorite movie for years. She loves cooking.
Lucenia ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:15:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, when I saw it in high school. Iโd already took a cooking class at that point, but it was the scene with Remy eating the cheese and fruit at the same time that really resonated with me, and showed me why cooking was such a special process. I liked how they represented the combination of flavors through colors and music.
People always remember the moment Anton Ego tastes the ratatouille and has a flashback. But one thing I found telling about Anton Ego is his reaction before: the moment the ratatouille is brought to him. The disgraced chef, skinner, who asked to receive whatever Ego was having, scoffs at the sight of ratatouille and thinks it must be a joke. But Ego does not scoff, he is not insulted. He takes out his pen, and prepares to write notes on what he tastes. Just like any other dish.
Anton Ego does not judge the ratatouille on its history as a cheap, or 'peasant' dish. Earlier he had rolled his eyes at what had become of Chef Boyardee. Not because the Boyardee brand was inexpensive, but because the quality of the food had degenerated and the taste of it had become far inferior to what it used to be.
Anton Ego isn't just a tough critic: he actually cares about food.
Yes. Well, its founder Boiardi, was an actual chef with his own restaurant who ended up mass producing canned food products. In Ratatouille I don't remember if Gusteau had started the Gusteau brand products and it was encouraged by Skinner, or if Skinner did that himself after Gusteau died.
Zaveno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the implication was that it was all Skinner cashing in on Gusteau's image after he died
I would almost agree with you if it wasn't for the whole "park collapses and a lot of people die" part. But I do get what you mean, the parts where everything goes right and there's just so much wonder are intoxicating. Honestly, I would pay money to see a JP movie where just... nothing happens. The park works as intended, and you get to follow a family as they explore the park and see the dinos in all their majesty.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is Jurassic park a feel good movie?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Momasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely hard to explain. It's my all-time favorite movie - I think for me it also just conjures up a little memory of how I felt seeing it on the big screen for the first time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ending is pretty feel good. I can definitely see where you are coming from: When there is darkness in a story, it makes the happy parts just so much better
Everyone is saying in this thread how Ratatouille is underrated?!
Go to any Pixar fan page or any animated studios history website and you will see Pixar's big three being discussed endlessly.
It's always Toy Story, Wall-e, and Ratatouille.
Everytime
Johnnn05 ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah seriously. Personally I'm torn over wall-e. The first part on earth is a masterpiece, absolutely one of the greatest achievements of any movie I'd argue. But once they leave it suddenly becomes much more mediocre imo
souprize ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 17:17:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its got two big themes: the environmental one and the sociological one. The latter half of the movie is exploring their social system, and then the ability for the individuals to change that system. It's a story where the antagonist is not a person, but a system: the ship itself. The issue you might have is that the two messages seem segregated and thus they don't spend enough time on one or the other. To me though, the environmental message is inseparable from the sociological one. The problem is caused by a social system, and the people that make up that system change it to then solve the environmental problem.
RidlyX ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 17:54:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not two themes, though. It's a single theme: the abandonment of responsibility. We abandon the earth because we don't want to be responsible for it. We abandon care of our own bodies because we don't want to be responsible for it. We abandon true social interaction because we don't want to be truly responsible or accountable. We abandon learning, questioning, and even our own direction to automation. The first half of Wall-E? It was a message for its time, and it remains relevant. The second half of the movie? I promise you, that message was merely ahead of its time.
souprize ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:36:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Through a lens of individualism, yeah you could see it that way. However, that's not what the film was trying to portray really. Yes, they had gotten fat, immobile, left the earth, etc. But they didn't do this just because people were "bad" or "evil", they did it because of the system they had, and the system the ship's AI continued. It was only once people took charge of the situation, and altered the course of where they were going, did things change. It's a very a optimistic story about the ability to change how a system works for the better.
epictuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was only once people took charge of the situation, and altered the course of where they were going, did things change
You could say they took... responsibility
souprize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. It wasn't like they suddenly pulled up their bootstraps. The system set them up with expectations and limited information. The results were predictable. Only when there was a variable, a shock to the system, did it change.
The first part is really great in discussing what is trash, what is valueble, ect. But then for the middle of the movie that kind of theme feels forgotten and we dont see it return till the very end
I feel this way about Up, too. The opening of the movie is one of the most poignant, emotional and beautiful sequences ever put to film, a true glimpse of cinematic genius. And then, the rest of it is ok.
Wall-E contains some of the greatest aesthetic heights Pixar has ever ascended to, but it's also narratively uneven, and the latter 2/3's of the movie gets bogged down by mediocre storytelling.
The Incredibles, Ratatouille, Finding Nemo, and maybe a couple others, feel exuberant all the way through, never ceasing to be thoroughly engaging.
Iโm curious (not in a rude way) how old you are. I was already an adult for all of those and Wall-E was the most original movie Pixar had done of those you listed, in my opinion.
Incredibles, Ratatouille, Finding Nemo are all movies that I feel like I already have my own 90s Disney movie equivalent of. I didnโt have my own Wall-E before Wall-E.
I'm 28 now, so 18 when Wall-E came out. I grew up during the Disney renaissance in the 90's, but I can't think of anything really analogous to those three films I mentioned.
I totally agree that the first act of Wall-E is up there with not only the best of Pixar, but truly some of the most intoxicating cinema I've ever seen. It's just that once they reach the Axiom, it becomes very busy and yammers on. Andrew Stanton talked about how, in storytelling, you should know the punchline to your joke; you should know where the story is headed before you begin. But in the case of Wall-E, they didn't know. All they had was a premise. Just an idea, an image, really, of a lonely robot on an abandoned earth. Consequently, the latter half of the film changed dramatically deep into production, and frankly, I think you can tell.
The second act of that movie doesn't go over the same themes cause that would be repetitive as hell. I like the direction the movie went in the second act. It opens up the conversation to how humanity is currently, how we've lost our sense of individuality and conform to all the simple comforts given to us by the big corporation that we let run our planet into the ground. No repercussions, no sense of guilt, no accountability, no responsibility. Everyone is so engrossed in their own personal little hoverchair (ie. Smartphones) that they don't interact with the people around them, oblivious to the world around them (When John and Mary finally realize how beautiful space is by just looking at the stars. How long have they been in space and they never even took the time to look at the stars around them?). No sense of culture, the only culture is the BnL culture. That's why when the Captain started looking up humanity in Wikipedia (lol) he was so fascinated with everything because not only was it everything about us, it was everything we are supposed to be.
The third act deals with getting back to our rightful home and fixing it to undo the disaster we caused in the past. Humanities redemption so to speak, and that's where the first acts themes connect directly again. But to dismiss the second act is a mistake IMO, thats where the themes are most important to process - because this is how people became to get to where the Earth is currently in the movie. We didn't suddenly fuck up the planet, it was through modifying our lives to be as comfortable as possible that led to this big corporation to take advantage of our planet and exhaust all its resources. We were so blind by that point that going on a big ship/cruise wasn't that big a deal to us, and that's why they had been in space for god knows how long.
dude that made me laugh so much thank you. youre not wrong hahaha but hey faramir and boromir are def multi kayered. as is galadriel and even gollum! all struggle with power and responsibility
busmans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ok fair enough :)
eazolan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first part was simple. It set up the scene.
The actual story after that was flat out dumb.
9kz7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:55:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As you said, it's not underrated with Pixar fans, but with the mainstream general audience.
TimSPC ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:52:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I get that, but if you go to Disney World, there's almost no sign of Ratatouille at all. The only thing I've ever seen is a cook book and some kitchenware at a Disney Springs store.
JimmerUK ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:09:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just got back from Disneyland Paris last week, they have a whole mini Paris section with a Ratatouille ride (very good) and Bistro Chez Remy, a real restaurant. You have to book days in advance. All the seats are corks or cork cages, the parasols are cocktail umbrellas, and the tables are tin lids.
TimSPC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, I just looked up the ride on YouTube and it does look good.
JimmerUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, like Spider-Man at Universal, although I donโt know if thatโs still there, itโs been a while.
Itโs definitely underrated. Sure, it has fans (including me), but from what Iโve seen most people rank it below The Incredibles, WALL-E, Finding Nemo, and at least one of the Toy Story films. And it definitely has less mainstream appeal.
Some people are saying that WALL-E's first 30 minutes should be thought of in the same respect (in the sense that it is the only part of the movie that deserves any merit).
I think this is a mistake.
The humans in WALL-E being so.....well, not human is very jarring for me.
I hate them more than anything besides of how much I love WALL-E, a robot.
I know it's a pretty obvious observation, but I think it deserves discussion.
Wall-E prior to the humans actually being introduced is some of the finest work Pixar has ever done. Watching how Wall-E interacts with the environment and the things in it, it was really incredible at the time. As soon as the actual story begins progressing though, the movie loses my interest a bit.
The first 12 minutes of Up are really fantastic as well, but unloading so much so early left me fatigued for the rest of the movie. The adventure felt so pointless after watching the depressing montage of his earlier life. I know I'm basically missing the entire point in saying that, but I can't help how it made me feel.
When Finding Dory was close to release, Finding Nemo was the talk of the town.
Whether it was about Pixar's huge risk in the process of animation, the enormous scope of the story, or the dual relatabalitily between a loving and overbearing father and a child trying to become a person of his/her own...
It was being regarded as one of Pixar's main gems (and I personally love Finding Nemo, but it does not hold up to the likes of Toy Story, Wall-e, and Ratatouille).
I think this is what is happening with The Incredibles.
Dont get me wrong.
Personally, The Incredibles is in my top 3 Pixar films.
There is just not as much to be discussed when it comes to what is important about each of the films.
That's why Pixar is so great!
It is not just about how much we love the movies.
When talking about commercial animation, Pixar challenges us on a level that only Studio Ghibli can come close to achieving.
My dude, I know that it's easy for a Pixar discussion to devolve into "well yeah but don't forget <insert movie that is on an already small filmography>", so you need to stand firm and say there's a "big three" and stand by your choices for those three, but I don't think I've had a Pixar conversation in the last decade where The Incredibles has not one of the main if not the main favorite pick for people. I adore Wall-E, for example, but I'd rank The Incredibles higher
jcbubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The concepts in Coco are just as mature (death, family, forgiveness), it just manages to present them in a more kid friendly way throughout. The stakes in Coco are way higher then they ever are in Ratatouille.
As a Mexican far from my relatives (lived in NY all my life) can confirm. To us, celebration of passed loved ones is as important as the celebration of life itself. I was never prepared to deal with recent deaths in the family, but Coco taught me the importance of remembering.
"Recuรฉrdame" had me crying for days. R.I.P. Grandma.
I heard an interview with the writers of the music for Coco where they mentioned that people would play "Recuรฉrdame" at funerals; it's such a beautiful and healing song
You have no idea. That whole movie has given me so much more closure on a death within my family (Someone who died far too young). That song and the whole thought of the place on the other side really hit me hard.
Coco may be one of my favorite movies. I'm super white and all, but it struck such a cord with me for the same reason. I've only ever really had one grandparent (mom's parents were forever-absent and my dad's father passed away early in his 50's). The one grandparent that was around, my grandma, was around for everything in my life. She really declined in health while I was 1000+ miles away in grad school. I flew in to say good bye while she was mostly unconscious and she passed away a couple hours later.
I wish my family did more for remembering our past generations. My fiancee and I will have our own new traditions though for this. I'll make sure our children know where they come from.
Anyway, I better go figure out where these damned chopped onions are.
JTtornado ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:21:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have yet to see Coco, so I can't compare the two. But I actually liked how the stakes were not nearly as high in Ratatouille as other films like The Incredibles. Having really high stakes sometimes feel like a lazy way to build tension, whereas in Ratatouille, it was so much more personal. There didn't need to be lives on the line, because you were so invested in the main characters, the finale was as important to you as it was to them.
For the love of all that is good in this world, go see Coco. Ratatouille and Coco can't be compared as they're like apples and oranges. They're both amazing though.
I just wish they didn't tac on a villain at the end. The movie could stand on it's own without the typical Disney villain. The Pixar/Disney movies become too predictable and follow the same blueprint. Should take note from movies like Ratatouille, Studio Ghibli, Etc.
I would agree. Coco is certainly Pixar's best since Wall-E, and possibly since Ratatouille. There are a few things holding it back though, while Ratatouille is just flawless.
A lot off topic but: I named my son Remy just before this movie was released thinking it was a safe name....but then...a RAT. The character named Remy is a RAT.
I envy you so hard right now!! Iโve always lamented my inability to see a movie for the first time twice, and to have the experience of watching Ratatouille for the first time still ahead of you, well, it kind of makes me sad and jealous.
But really, I've seen that film more times than any other film probably.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch it. It's truly wonderful. It lacks some of the emotional moments that other pixar movies offer (it has some, but with less depth). But the art, the music, the details, etc. I really liked the analysis given in the article as well. It's really one of the few feel good movies out there. I watch it every time I'm sick. Things I didn't think about, but regardless of how Pixar intended it, I think it's a nice interpretation.
Khalirei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to find a place to watch it right now, since I don't purchase movies. Maybe youtube streams it for a few bucks.
nothing. its a great movie but its not nearly as profound or moving as this thread makes it seem. notice how half the posts here are all people who were 'moved' by same exact scene that famously impressed Anthony Bourdain? its just foodies saying what they think needs to be said.
its a fine movie, looks great, and is very funny. you wont get much french culture out of it, nor do i think any of it is particularly moving or profound. its about a rat that cooks. a classic 'i dont fit in anywhere tale' that weve seen a million times.
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 16:39:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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cmars118 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:15:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. And that doesn't take anything away from the film, it's still one of my favorites ever. But yeah, it's not really an allegory at all.
hogs94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The rats represent poverty and people with less opportunity right? Isnโt that allegory? As opposed to just being a movie about a poor kid becoming a great chef
Siiimo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:53:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't representative of that, it explicitly is that. They explicitly say that even though the rat is poor, he can still be a great artist. To quote the movie "In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for Chef Gusteau's famous motto: Anyone can cook. But I realize, only now do I truly understand what he meant. Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere."
It would be an allegory for poverty and art if it wasn't explicitly about poverty and art. Something isn't an analogy if it just is that story.
epictuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True but I think Gusteau's motto was probably not written with rats in mind, and that's the real moral of the film
syllabic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:16:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Author of this article either doesn't know what an allegory is or just likes using fancy-sounding vocabulary in order to sound sophisticated
Maybe both actually
[deleted] ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He would also destroy Stuart Little in a fight inside the first round.
i feel like the entire point of that movie was to make you envious of rich kids toys
Jake24601 ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 15:49:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2007 will forever be only three years ago in my books. It feels so recent. Yet in 2007, 1999 felt like a lifetime ago. Now more time has passed since 2007.
I'm 20 years old but I feel like I shouldn't be this old yet, when I hear someone thinking about the 80s I'm like ''yeah that was like 20 years ago, long before I was born''.
It almost feels like I sped up my life like on the movie click.
I think it's saying "don't reply to me," as in, "don't argue with me." Since to argue with someone on Twitter/insta, you have to @ them.
dartt ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:29:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A twitter meme. Basically, "don't reply to/argue with me".
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:38:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve always read it as โDonโt come at meโ
I believe this might have originated on twitter or some other social media that has handles. Usually when replying to someone you would have to put @ in front of the username. So when replying to something itโs usually
@username โcommentโ
So it usually means โdonโt try to argue with meโ
My favorite Pixar film. Of course there are so many that I've enjoyed (Up, WALL-E, The Incredibles and on and on...) but this film really resonated with me as a film, not simply an animated film. The Ego speech at the end, the score, the depiction of the kitchen and its inner workings, the detail in the food (I hate Ratatouille as a dish and the "Confit Byaldi" in this film makes my mouth water). It's a celebration of all things art, and all artists. I even named my dog Remy after this film. Watching it drives me to create, not only in the kitchen--but everywhere I can in life. Also drives me nuts that more people didn't appreciate it for what it was at the time, although I think that's more due to Pixar's high bar than anything.
Until recently was one of the few animated films that elicited such an emotional response from me--Kubo and the Two Strings being another that I loved. Be sure to check that out if you haven't yet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been sleeping on Kubo and the Two Strings, but am currently loading up Ratatouille to watch as im struck by "Art for Arts Sake", and have been in a creative slump myself.
Thanks
I feel a little sad about this because the direction Disney took Pixar. We are to going to get such gripping animated films like we did in that golden run that gave us this, Up and Wall-e.
My three favorite Disney/Pixar films. I can't imagine anything being created that will top that trifecta. What they did without using words in the beginning of Up and throughout Wall-e is nothing short of genius.
The incredibles is genius, characterization, beautiful story telling, amazing themes and perfectly relatable for every age group, I fucking love that movie Iโm wondering how the second one could ever live up to it
Pipopito ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The direction Disney took Pixar
.... shame we got great movies like "Coco"?
pacmain1 ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was my favorite Pixar movie. Mostly because I saw it with my daughter and it caused a lot of good conversation about emotion and how all of them are valid and important. For a while she would tell me โsadness is in controlโ or โAnger is pushing my buttonsโ. It was great and will be forever grateful to that film for started an important dialogue that has continued about the importance of all emotions.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finding Dory is pretty great too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pacmain1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Monsters University, thought Finding Dory was really good, found Cars 3 to be a good animated film (but not a good Pixar film). As for Cars 2, I thought it wasn't too bad, but I understand why people hate it.
This is actually an interesting question Iโve never considered since Disney bought Pixar and Lasseter became the head of both.
What IS the difference? (Other then the obvious, like location of the studio).
Big Hero 6, Zootopia, and Wreck It Ralph could easily be Pixar films and it makes sense why they might be confused as such.
_Meece_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is the people who make them. The reason why Pixar is so great, is because of Pete Docter, Andrew Stanton, Brad Bird, John Lasseter and Lee Unkrich.
None of these guys have directed or written anything for Walt Disney Animation Studios.
Right, all that I am aware of. I guess my point is that both divisions movies are becoming more and more blurred in terms of quality. So Pixar having all those great men, was great in the beginnings of Pixar and helped them become so successful, but Disney Animation has caught up. (Theyโve won 3 out of the last 4 best animated feature oscars)
So now, is the difference only the personnel? Itโs not a huge deal, and Iโm not sure why I care so much, it was just an interesting question.
_Meece_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're two completely different studios with movies directed and made by completely different people. Not to mention the studios being in two different places.
Generally I agree with this, but as other comments have pointed out, Coco was very similar to Ratatouille in style and was just as great of a movie if not even better imo. Despite movies like Cars 3 and Monsters U (neither of which were bad BTW, they just werenโt anything special), Pixar still knocks it out of the park occasionally.
If them creating a sequel or two gives us a coco and up every couple of years, then sign me up. The sequels make a ton of money and that keeps these creative people employed for as long as they have stories.
I think that's the wrong way to look at this. Not only was Inside Out groundbreaking for psychology, but The Good Dinosaur dealt with loss and growth as maturely as any other Pixar film. At the same time, the old Disney Animation Studios would have never taken a risk on something as heavy as Zootopia's racism.
We didn't lose Pixar. Disney gained John Lasseter.
I can't fully disagree because I haven't seen Coco, but despite the fact that we're getting more sequels Finding Dory (which was still good imo even if it wasn't Nemo good) and Cars (awful, true), Inside Out was very recent and as far as I'm concerned it is now a titan in the canon of Western animation. Just as deep and cutting as Wall-E and Up...and one that was interesting because I was affected by it, and it wasn't really even meant for me I don't think. My little sister was only slightly older than Riley in that movie, and at the time she'd been dealing with the troubles that come with growing up and challenging yourself and beginning to self-actualize as a human being, and the movie rocked her to her foundations. I would even go so far as to say that in the last few years, she has been very different than the kid I grew up with (very confident and responsible and just a functioning human), and even though this was gonna happen naturally like with everyone else who's grown up in the entirety of human civilization, I can pinpoint that was a different person before and after that movie.
Kind of ranted a bit, but what I'm saying is that by no means is Pixar done. They're got plenty under the hood.
Speaking of Coco, how was it? Genuinely sad I missed seeing it in theaters.
You can still find it in some theaters, surprisingly. Disney has been keeping their last few animated films in the theater for a long time. That said, it will be out on DVD/BD next week, I believe.
If you love Pixar movies, you need to see it. It's beautiful and the story is lovely.
All three of those movies were released after Disney bought Pixar. In more recent years they've also released Inside Out and Coco, two of their absolute best imo
_Meece_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate when people say this.
Go have a look at the guys who directed their best films, and the guys who directed their "worst" films. Only one person crosses over and that's John Lasseter(He did Toy Story and Cars)
Brave, Good Dinosaur, Cars 3, Monsters U. None of these were directed by Peter Docter, Andrew Stanton, Brad Bird or Lee Unkrich. They all took a little break after Toy Story 3.
They've come back from their break and put out Inside Out(Docter), Finding Dory(Stanton) and Coco(Unkrich). All 3 of which are fantastic.
This is so true. Pixar hasn't been the same since the Disney acquisition. In fact, it's fairly obvious that Disney is the studio producing better work. Look no further than Big Hero 6 and Tangled.
I agree with most everyone here on all but Wall-e. Itโs one of the only Pixar films that never really worked for me, I dunno why. I would place The Incredibles in its place in my opinion as the big 3.
I've seen this movie probably thirty times, it's my favorite animated film.
Hautewerk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:23:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Story time,
Wife and I are watching Ratatouille when I hear a snap in the garage.
I had recently put out rat traps. So being hopeful I went to the garage and open the door only to find that yes indeed a rat had tripped the trap.
However, the metal bar that is supposed to break it's neck missed and ended up ripping the face off of the poor bastard. He is still alive and blood it pouring out and bubbling with ever breath.
I run to grab a big dowel to finish him off and end his suffering.
When I got back the rat was gone but there was a rather obvious trail of blood to the corner of the room. Find him trying to walk through a wall (he can't see as his eyes have been ripped apart). I line up my break your neck shot and swing. Of course he moves and I end up breaking his back by his back legs.
Now he is screaming and thrashing, blood flying everywhere. I start beating the he'll out of him hoping to end his misery.
After what felt like forever the poor rat dies in a giant mess of blood, fur, and offal. Somberly I clean it all up and dispose of the corpse.
Walk into the house and calmly sit down to finish this delightful film about a cute rat that is a wonderful cook.
I felt awful.
Oh God, your story is like my rat story just got made into a movie.
In my version, the trap was in the house, behind the refrigerator. It's one of those "jaws" traps and just like yours, it smashed on his face. But in my case the trap basically had the rat gripped by the face. It was 2 am and my wife woke me up saying "you have to deal with this". I had no idea what to do, but here's the rat crying and squirming. I have my wife give me a towel, and hard and fast as I can I squeeze to crush it. Rat goes limp - I figure it's done, but within ten seconds it starts convulsing like all hell. In a panic I crush it one last time (this time the head).
So, no movie being watched, but the ending is the same: somberly I dispose of the corpse, walk back into the house, look at my wife in despair, and crawl back into bed. I felt awful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in the country in an area where we would get tons of mice. Just tons of them every spring. Everywhere, in everything. It was awful. I appreciate the sentiment of Ratatouille, but the idea of rodents in the kitchen is just too much for me, from my own personal experiences. I've seen the movie once, and that was enough. Nothing against it, just can't watch it.
divad745 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:47:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So let me tell you what's going to happen because you left this post, OP. When you read this I'll be on my way, gliding over lawns and pavement in a beeline to your home. Your doors will unlock and open themselves for me. Any barricades you've set up will dismantle. Do you have weapons? I invite you to try to use them on me. They will not work. When I find you I will pick up your tiny body and hoist it above me by your waist. Your shirt will keep lifting up to expose your pasty lower back and midriff, which I know you are self conscious about. I'll parade you around your home town, your school, and the local markets, and everyone will point at you and laugh. You'll keep trying to grab the bottom of your shirt and cover your exposed torso but I'll keep lifting it up again, exposing your pale skin to the cold breeze, I will throw you in the river. Every time you swim back to shore I'll be there to pick you up and throw you back in. I'm sure you felt clever writing this comment. I'm sure you felt like you left a stinging welt on my ego. Get ready, OP.
The movieโs grand climax, and the source of its title, is the preparation of a rustic dish made of common vegetables โ a dish made with ardor and inspiration and placed, as it happens, before a critic.
And what, faced with such a ratatouille, is a critic supposed to say? Sometimes the best response is the simplest. Sometimes "thank you" is enough.
bollykeys ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The irony of today's movies is that social messages are delivered in kids movies while grown-up movies are often for mindless entertainment
XJ-0461 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Media for children has always been filled with life lessons. Just take a look at fables. The tradition goes back centuries and millennia.
True but the level of details added to these movies are just incredible. Take Wreck it Ralph for example; I for one feel heck lot of motivation after watching it.
A very hard-working second in line chef inherits a restaurant when the ownner dies. He has lot of ideas to make it more proffitable.
Despite this , a clumsy noob with no idea asks for a job and the chef agrees to hire him. Obviously the noob eventually fucks up and the chef has to fire him.
Then it is discovered that the noob is the son of the late ex-owner, inheriting the restaurant. And what's the first thing he does? He fires the chef. He fires the same chef that has worked hard for years with his father and who gave him an opportunity when he had no idea, but he doesn't care and he fires him.
Obviously the fucking noob is a clown who doesn't care about anything and he ends having the restaurant closed by sanitary reasons.
It is a Pixar movie but does not have some of the feelings and characteristics that most Pixar movies do. And, possibly coinciding with that observation, I think it is the best Pixar movie.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was among the first people to ever see the movie because I was on a disney cruise ship in europe. Such a fun night. Same with Lilo and Stitch way back in the day.
My favorite movie of all time. Itโs just breathtaking
cobysev ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:20:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Scanning the comments, I can tell this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but... I actually hated this movie when it came out.
It was the hair thing that really broke the reality of the film for me. A rat, pulling on the hair of a kid, is able to control his hands? That was just too far-fetched for me to accept and made the rest of film difficult to watch.
Yes, I understand that there's a certain suspension of disbelief required for an animated film (it's the story of a talking rat, for crying out loud!) but I just got too wrapped up in how pulling on handfuls of hair could essentially turn a kid into a marionette.
And it's been a while since I watched it, but I don't remember the kid actually learning anything. He accepted all the praise, all the while not having any clue what he did because he was just a vehicle for the rat to cook. Maybe I'm wrong; I watched it once when it came out and I haven't seen it since.
The massive amounts of praise for this movie in these comments has finally encouraged me to watch it again. If so many people love this film, there's obviously something I missed in my first watch through. Hopefully I can suspend my disbelief long enough to enjoy the story this time around.
Apr0p0s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
A talking rat, in cartoon form, you can suspend disbelief ...
But you draw the line with said rat pulling on kid's hair to control the actions of his hands/arms?
cobysev ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, I mean, I grew up with cartoon taking animals so that's a concept I can relate to. But how does head hair connect to your limbs? When has anyone ever grabbed a fistful of someone's hair and made them dance like a puppet? It's just so ridiculous and out there. What are the rules of this crazy behavior? Does it affect everyone in this movie or just the kid chef? Is this a known concept in this universe or is this the very first instance of it ever happening? Does the kid feel compelled to move or it is completely involuntary? Would people just go limp if you grabbed them by the hair?
There's just too much to process and not enough answers. It just made me mad trying to watch this movie and I decided it was a poor concept for a movie. Again, I plan to watch it again and see if I can overlook that one thing. But we'll see.
Apr0p0s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the HELL, 10 years?! I still haven't seen Ratatouille, and I'm still in the mindset "Oh I have to watch that last Disney that recently came out, everyone is saying good things about it"
Ratatouille is easily my favorite animated movie and in my top 10 all time favorites.
What always struck a chord with me was that something that doesnโt belong and that isnโt worthy, could still rise to become something remarkable.
Zanchbot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite movies of all time, and Pixar's best, imo. I work in a kitchen myself, no other restaurant movie has ever spoken to me in the same way that Ratatouille does. I've lost count of the number of times I've watched it.
Letracho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Pixar movie. I'm not the kind of person that re-watches moves but I make an exception for this one.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love this movie. I hadnโt seen my dad in months and one afternoon he just came to my house asked my mom to take me to the movies and we went to ratatouille. Even without that memory itโs an amazing movie.
Did anyone see that thing (I think it was a Reddit post??) About a guy who HATES this movie, and his Uni mates would have a movie night every week, but they'd change all the movie posters into Ratatouille based ones? It was fucking classic.
If memory serves, they actually found that in the US the movie had a somewhat moderate viewing, however in Europe it was a hit in the theatres way back when.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And ONE year later, my blu ray copy still sits on the dusty shelf of some FUCKING 7 year old boy my girlfriend once babysat GODDAMNIT.
This movie will always be special to me, not just because itโs a great film but it was the first movie/date my girlfriend (now wife) went on all those years ago. We still watch it maybe once a year just to laugh at how awkward we both were as kids/early teenagers lol
daftne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This film was the first time I had felt any kind of real inspiration from the outside world; it coaxed me back to the land of the living after 4 years of floating and ignoring the world. It still took another 6 years before I fully returned, but it was definitely the tipping point for me to start waxing again.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:21:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm with you. I have no idea what people are thinking. I always think of this as my least favorite Pixar movie. It has that amazing quote at the top of this thread, but that's literally the only good thing about it I can think of.
I barely remember it except that a rat somehow controlled a dude by pulling his hair, and overall I remember being pretty bored during it. Probably a perfectly fine movie that just seemed dull when compared to great movies like WALL-E, Up, Toy Story, etc, but I don't know why people love it so much here.
HMBadass ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:15:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just didn't buy it. How exactly does pulling someone's hair control their arms and hands? I mean, people are not puppets. This ruined the whole movie for me. Doesn't make any sense.
I wouldn't have had trouble suspending belief on it if the rest of the movie impressed me, but it didn't. Illogical stuff is only bothersome you when you aren't enjoying the movie.
Yeah I've tried watching this movie twice; making it all the way through only the first time. It's cool people seem to love it but I'll never understand why.
Yah other than the content involving Anton Ego, which is spectacular, the movie always seemed fairly mediocre to me. Then again I thought Incredibles was mediocre when I was a kid and actually find it a lot more interesting now that I'm older so maybe Ratatouille would be similar but I haven't seen it since I was like 10
I think it's more than it's pretty exclusive. I don't think that it's possible to feel the full impact of that movie if you're not a passionate artist of some kind.
Dude, that comment just comes off as mean, though I doubt you meant it that way. Sounds like "you just aren't good enough to get it". And I disagree completely.
I'm plenty passionate about my art. And anyone can understand passion regardless of whether they are an artist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you like Remy as a character? How was Linguine annoying? Remyw as likable as a god damn rat who just loves to cook. He also wanted to be accepted by his family for his uniqueness, and he followed his dream just like anyone could. Sure, there's a lot of monologuing that lowers the standard of character development, but it's also a kid's movie that gets enough of the point across without just vomiting plot.
Linguine may be unlikeable for being filthy and not really deserving his position at all. He recklessly messed up a soup order (which only makes Remy's save that much more impressive), and then he lands a huge job as a chef in France while doing virtually nothing. But he persists, and he isn't the main character but deserves some criticism no less.
I think just a character analysis doesn't do this film justice. Think of all the grandeur of fine dining in the world, and France comes up. The world's best chefs are all in Paris, one of the art capitals of the world, and at the epicenter of all of that is a rat, one of the most feared and unwanted things to go in a kitchen. It's a very rewarding movie that greatness can come from anywhere, and even if the characters aren't likable to you, they serve their purposes well.
Anyone else get Ratatouille vibes from Coco? Two of my favorite Pixar movies of all time.
xEman26x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about this movie earlier this week and how much I love everything from the music and the ratatouille itself and I'm about to make that dish in the near future.
"...little kids during Halloween would be coming up to my door, dressed as my character, Remi the Rat. I was so taken back by it, the first thing I would say to them would be 'You know you're wearing my skin right now, that's me!'..."
-Patton Oswalt
Spurty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille inspired me to attend culinary school back in 2010.
I'd always had an interest in food from a young age as my mother was a fantastic cook. After seeing the movie, I enrolled at Le Cordon Bleu in London. I graduated with a Cuisine Diploma and went on to work in the restaurant industry for about 5 years, including opening a restaurant with a couple of partners. I ended up leaving the business and transitioning into a food writing but I still love to cook and would love to open another restaurant some day in the future.
I still watch the move from time to time. It might be my favorite, I'm just fortunate my wife loves it as much as I do!
Funny, I just watched this again yesterday with my granddaughter. We both love this movie and now that she's 8, she loves cooking. Makes me record Chopped Junior and all that. I took her to a Chef Junior class on Saturday and she really enjoyed that.
My other favorite cooking movie is Chef. Love Jon Favreau, too.
You're good with anthropomorphized rats capable of reading recipes and using knives etc., but the hair tugging is what broke your suspension of disbelief?
Ratatouille is probably my favorite animated film of all time and I've never thought of it in this allegory. I'm even from a minority. I wonder if the writer's viewed it this way or if this perspective is just being extracted by the writerโฆ very interesting regardless.
The movie is a masterpiece. There are so many layers to it and this just adds to that. The Oscar was very well deserved. In fact it probably deserved more.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pixar made a string of highly enjoyable animation movies, that were more targeted to adults...in my opionion, but anyway...very very good ones.
Monster Inc, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars, Ratatouille, Wall-E, up.
And then...nothing. I do not know hat changed, but they kinda lost their mojo. Inside out was a nice try, but not up to the level of what was done before.
I always appreciated how they didn't do some corny fantasy ending regarding the tied-up cook or the rats in the kitchen. No, they treat it realistically and the restaurant gets shut down. It's nice to see such a movie not write off logistical problems and say "it's a kids movie!" and instead find a way to write a happy ending despite the problems that remain.
from a rendering pov this movie blows my mind, it's before image based lighting was the norm and some scenes needed over 250 lights to craft the mood. the renders were about a day a frame if I recall correctly on Pixar's massive render farm - borrowing computing power from ILM. Renderman has come so far since this movie, but this movies 3D lighting and compositing artistry set the bar high for me. please feel free to correct me if anyone knows differently - I am getting all my info from the Pixar exhibit I saw in Boston a few years ago.
Jesepe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I lost my virginity while this movie played in the background.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can not avoid to see it (also) as a metaphor for the situation Disney was in: once great studio which is now fallen, that earns little money with awful direct-to video flicks, that is being saved by smaller talented company with a real love for the art
It's astonishing how many layers they can cram into their movies. You can literally watch them a million times and you'll always find something new to talk about.
Question to other parents: have your kids liked Ratatouille?
I have tried to get them to like it as much as I, but no luck. They love almost every other pixar film they watch, Incredibles comes to mind by the same director, but this one they're always just "meh".
My mom was dating a guy with a son a year or two younger than me. We were at theater and had the option of ratatouille and transformers. The boys took transformers, mom and I took rat. The boys left disappointed, we sure af didn't.
Loydzero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years later and I still tell myself that I should actually watch it sometime soon.
Only thing I didnโt like about Ratatouille was the girl suddenly realizing she liked the guy when he kissed her, when she dropped the Mace. Really odd and kinda offputting. Loved the rest of the movie though!
I've scrolled through all the top comments and not a single one even vaguely references the actual article, which is all about white privilege, intersectionality and the rest of social justice themes. pretty sure everyone just saw the word "Ratatouille" and went off with their comments. It's like "allegory of art and class" is invisible.
Incredible movie but this headline annoys me. If it was a striking allegory of art and class 10 years ago itโs not a huge surprise that it still is. Amazing story from 2008 remains amazing! That wasnโt that long ago, this ainโt Beowulf.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't seen Ratatouille until a few months ago. I don't know why, it was just never on my radar. I didn't even know how the movie was received by audiences.
Movie hit me like a sack of bricks I was not ready for that. I forgot, it's a Disney movie. You will cry.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those films my kids would watch once a day when they were really little. Better than Frozen, I suppose
staockz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years ago I went to the movie theaters with my dad to see Transformers instead of Ratatouille. I convinced him Transformers would be better. I have not forgiven myself for this error and I continue to apologize to him to this present day.
Kahmael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love this movie. It's my favorite Pixar, hands down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear this movie made me find a hobby in cooking. It's my favorite pixar movie for a reason
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Class envy is evil and prideful. I weep for this generation deluded into hatred and seeking utopia. Marxism has already suffered 100+ million innocent souls. Never again.
Omg guys, this is my favorite movie.๐ฟ Iโm currently sitting here bathing browsing Reddit (high as fuck) when I came across this post and hesitated to click on it. I knew the moment I opened the post, I would upvote everything (being the lurker I am). I was right... thought you guys should know. K bye
jstravin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was posted on June 29 2017. Why are we reposting it now? This movie is amazing and exceptional, but what does February 20, 2018 have anything to do with it?
Jet147 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I loved about Ratatouille was that it was sold as a kids film about lovable talking rats and their hijinks, and for the first 5 minutes that is exactly what it is.
Then suddenly and for the rest of the film (with the exception of one short scene) all but one of the rats disappear and the one that is left becomes mute. The film then unveils itself as a comedy drama about Parisian Restaurant culture.
Iโm sure plenty of kids felt short changed, and possibly bored, but it was wonderful surprise for put upon adults weary from the usual inane cartoons and hyperactive superhero films they sit through with their kids every day.
At risk of being a stickler, I wouldnโt say itโs an allegory as much as itโs a general metaphor, and at best it employs roman ร clef to express that metaphor. And highlighting the grand theme of a work, as this writer has done here, isnโt interchangeable with calling it an allegory. The one allegorical element that does come to mind is Anton Ego, who represents ego and pretense, obviously โ and allegories are always relatively obvious.
But there are much larger issues I take with this article. For instance:
so he has to make his way in a more affluent society to bring his dreams to life, despite how despised he is in those circles. If this isnโt a clear allegory for how the underprivileged are so often denied access to artistic expression, Iโm not sure what is.
Again, allegories donโt represent such profound notions like the one named in that excerpt. But more importantly, I take issue with the idea sheโs asserting here in general (or at least the wording of it). Nobody is โdenied accessโ to artistic expression. People may be denied exposure of their artistic expression, but everyone has the means and methods to artistically express themselves. To say otherwise is to say that nothing is artistic expression unless it is given approval by the ruling, โaffluentโ class. And in saying that, this writer is ironically reaffirming the higher classโ power that the film strives to denounce.
Linguini is able to achieve a position as a chef with relative ease, despite having no previous training and a decidedly clumsy demeanor. He is a person who is able to rise through the ranks for no reason other than who he is
This is just blatantly incorrect and the writer is willfully ignoring the events of the film to make her point more convenient. Linguini is the garbage boy, and he is employed as a chef only after he tries to fix a bowl of soup (in which Remy takes the reigns), and afterwards the soup is a roaring success. Since the restaurant is on the verge of dying โ no longer the cultural symbol it once was โ the other chefs campaign for Linguini to be added to the staff out of desperation to save the place they love. He is not just assigned the title chef โfor no reason other than who he is.โ Thatโs either egregiously poor comprehension, or mediocre manipulation of your audience.
Like Remy, the mere fact of not being a human male has hindered the accomplishment of her dreams, and Linguini is appearing to skate by on talents that she helped foster in him.
Again, no. Linguini is โskating byโ because he was advertised as the restaurants new genius chef and is a local celebrity, because of Remyโs ability. At no point in the film is Linguini publicly observed having any culinary talent, much less the โtalentsโ she helped him โrefineโ โ kitchen etiquette and fundamentals Collette trained him on because of his ignorance in the area. The entire premise of Linguiniโs character is that he has zero culinary talent to the degree of being clumsy at kitchen etiquette, despite being the son of a famous chef (i.e., the theme of it being okay to not mirror your parents or expectations on you because of them).
Itโs not like Collette is analogous to the women writers in early Hollywood where male producers and filmmakers would have great successes because of these womenโs important but unrecognized contributions. She taught him kitchen fundamentals... Again, Linguini was โskating byโ because of his celebrity and perceived โnatural geniusโ in cooking, not his incredible etiquette methods.
Many people, whether it be due to poverty, immigrant status, gender, race, sexual orientation, or any combination thereof, are denied access to artistic outlets, even though they have demonstrable ability and drive to succeed on par with their advantaged and mediocre competition.
Finally, this is the most asinine point asserted in the article, and where the writerโs argument begins to transform at will and fold in on itself. I can agree with the film representing class disparities and such, but the first sentence in the quoted paragraph has nothing to do with class โ unless of course, the writer presumes any of the identifiers after โpovertyโ inherently makes people in those groups members of the lower class.
That of course isnโt true, and not to mention that the art world has been famous for propping up figures of different genders, races, sexual orientation, or immigration statuses who donโt conform to the norm since the 50s, undeniably so since the mid-late 60s. (Some might argue that the art world prefers to accept and highlight individuals from those demographics, for reasons that include both sincerity in diverse representation and as means of commercial exploitation.)
Sheโs no longer arguing what sheโs supposed to be arguing, and this article turned one of the best animated films (or film in general) of the century into an off-based political fart of projection.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to check your daughter. She might be depressed
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yaaaasss! Ratatouille has always been my favorite Disney movie, and I feel it's been underrated. I love the music and so many of Gusteau's lines. It's so inspiring and simply a beautiful movie!
Ratatouille saved me from literal depression. One day I was walking home from school and went to the convenient store to buy some rope but I happened to spot ratatouille on the shelfโs. I bought the rope and ratatouille and told my self โif the movie is shit imma kill self. Little did I know this is the best movie Iโve ever seen. It was new light in my life and inspired me to have rats in my kitchen.
I adore Ratatouille and always revisit it every month or so to watch it again. It's by far one of my top, if not my top, animated films of all time. I also love Coco but haven't watched it nearly as many times
Buerdax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is my favourite movie ever, and i think the german dub is better than the original.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another thing I just absolutely LOVE about this movie, is the voice acting performance from Patton Oswalt, he just draws you in right away with Remy's character and never lets up.
Maybe Pixar has slipped up here and there but goddamn if they're not one of the most consistently great studios out there then I don't know who is. They've put out so many objectively great and visually stunning movies that speak to so many across so many generations that I'm willing to forgive stuff like Planes and Cars 2. Ratatouille was and is one of my favorite movies, along with the Incredibles, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Wall-E, and hell, even the first Cars was great. Looking forward to what they do with this next Incredibles movie.
Fenisel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite movie
Its so fantastic. One small rat that eant to be more then just a rat. One small creature that is not affraif to fight for his dream.
Story time: when Ratatouille came out, all the chefs in Caracas organized an all-chefs screening of the movie. Mom and I stumbled upon it because it was right next to my painting lessons. They were setting up a buffet table when I passed by, because of course. Mom wanted to sneak in and take some snacks but I said no.
Overall, that was the most chef-like thing I've ever seen.
I was a part of the beta testing for this movie. We went back to watch it like 3 times before it came out, each time we reviewed afterward
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to preface with saying this is one of my favorite movies, but why the heck is his name Linguini? Like, you wouldn't name your kid "spaghetti" so why linguini? Is it also a name because I just know it as the pasta.
nwh1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
favorite part of the movie is when Collette describes each of the cooks backgrounds, and of course Ego's response to the first taste :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Top 3 films for me.
vigtel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to run a restaurant, in a lower part of a coastal city. Rats are a natural part of the environment and a constant struggle to keep out of the kitchen. One rat clawing their way through the wall (the ingenuity of these rodents is impressive now, scary then), the night before an inspection of the health inspectors could effectively shut us down. Me, and the chef, had nightmares about rats in the kitchen, and was constantly working on blocking their entrances.
So, a movie about how cool it is with a rat in the kitchen? Nope.
xiowolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After reading through the comments I think I'll put this on now I bought it on Blu Ray as soon as I could
I'm a 38 year old male who has never watched Ratatouille. Should I go downlo, oops, I mean go rent it?
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:09:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cant recommend it enough. Its a story about underdogs, friendship, how 'anyone can cook' and features a very interesting villain. All presented wonderfully through gorgeous animation.
marialfc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This movie, no matter how many times I watch it, it brings me to tears. It is my 3 year old's favorite movie too so we watch it a lot! I wish he was around when the movie first came out so I could get him more toys/books about the movie, but he is absolutely fascinated with it. This one and The Incredibles are my two favorite Pixar movies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years later, 'Ratatouille' has lost all meaning and the dialogue has become unintelligible noise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite movie. The story and its arcs - although outrageous - are technically flawless. The detail, the warm lighting, the music, the personalities - Ratatouille is uniquely phenomenal.
arcane84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's.... Been 10 years? I remember seeing its commercial like it was yesterday... Oh man.
This has always been one of my favorite movies since i was little. It inspired me to start cooking, and now its one of my favorite things. It truly is an art, and its kinda nice to get some validation that the movie really IS that good haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to mention, as we approach the 5-year anniversary of Roger Ebert's death, that the final review in Ratatouille always seemed to me like a letter of deep gratitude to him, a condensation of Ebert's approach and philosophy towards criticism and what made him so special and important
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still top 10 favorite movie. hadnt seen it in years till they started having it on-demand. One of those movies I implore people to give it a chance and watch it. (the Iron Giant is another one)
Are any of the cooks addicted to heroin in this movie? Iโve never seen it or worked in the food industry, but Iโve always heard people in the kitchen are addicted to meth, coke, or heroin.
If thereโs no drug addicts in this movie itโs not truly authentic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years?! Already?
Wikwoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can never watch this movie again after being forced to watch it almost every week for like 4 years in French class. It was in French too so I never understood a word of what was going on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good film, my biggest problem with it though had to actually do with linguini, I think that's his name, he was such a boring character compared to the many great main characters that Pixar has created.
He's very boring and just isn't creative like the other characters. He seemingly has nothing to contribute to the world. But as the movie points out, everyone involved in the restaurant is very important.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I actually found most of the restaurant workers to be way more interesting than linguini and wish they got more screen time.
But part of that is to show to the audience and reinforce to them to actually cooking and creating can come from an assortment of backgrounds and skills. Linguini being a normal person makes him unique.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have had a problem with linguini being normal, but there is one major hole in that claim... linguini can't cook, so making him normal actually contradicts the message that anyone can cook since the bland main character with no outstanding qualities turns out to be just that. If linguini turned out to be a master at making food then it would have strengthened the message the film was trying to convey. I know you're saying that he contributes in other ways but the moral of Ratatouille isn't "anyone has a purpose," it's "anyone can cook."
How about some other words that rhyme with โCorey?โ
Twigryph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still one of my favourite films. I have my quibbles, but there's just so much love in every frame. I also recommend the extra short on the DVD, which is particularly funny for Canadians :)
e_mendz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I wonder if movies can get over-analyzed. But that can shamefully disregard the fact that there are great efforts made to every detail, even to a scene that lasted just one or part of a second on screen. Truly, themes and underlying messages are never results of too much analysis. They are more likely intentional, meant to be discovered, found and heard. Thank you for sharing this article.
Someone please explain this to me. I like the movie okay, but I don't understand the people who rank it as the best Pixar (and I've even heard best animated) movie every made. I put it right in the middle of the Pixar oeuvre. It's sweet and very well acted and all, but the plot is so overstuffed, I always felt the movie lacked focus. What is the main theme? Family? Following your dream? Checking your ego? Realizing your limitations? Is it a romance? A buddy comedy? A fish-out-of-water story? It just always felt to me that it was so busy trying to do so many things that it didn't really do any of them great. It's not a BAD movie or anything. I like it, but nothing about it blew me away. I've never felt compelled to watch it again.
So yeah, please, I'm willing to change my mind here. Can someone explain why so many people absolutely fawn over this movie I've always felt was only okay?
It's OK not to love it. For me, the message is a somewhat complex one. It isn't just "follow your dreams" or something so simple, it's about not disregarding talent and hard work just because they don't come from the best of places. We get so caught up in our own perceptions of what a particular role should be that we neglect real talent, which is what Ego wanted to do until he had his own epiphany regarding Remy's cooking.
But there's something else beneath that, which is the very simple theme of creation. Artists like the cooks and Remy love to create and make art, just like the artists, writers, musicians and actors who made this movie did.
I saw it in theatres as a teen. Took my gf to see it, just another movie for...purposes. Anyhow we actually watched the movie because it was so captivating
Just finished watching this with my 3 year old. Still holds up. She says it was "up there with Zootopia and Ice Age: Collision Course", that's about the highest praise you can get from her.
Ratatouille is my favorite movie. It replaced "Pulp Fiction", that held that place until the 90s. It is a masterpiece of animation and storytelling. Everything in this movie clicks from the first second up until the last. Everyone involved in the making of this movie can be fucking proud of what they have accomplished here.
It was the first time I thought character animators should get an Oscar - the character of Colette is beautiful in its voice acting and animation. Her facial expression in the moment when she wants to slap Linguini in his face is wonderfully animated.
The scene where Ego is thrown back into his childhood is actually something good cooks want to achieve: Evoke an emotional response in someone who eats their cooked food. I once saw a cooking show where a professional cook tasted the dish of another cook and began to cry because it reminded him of how his mother cooked for him. And after that explained that THAT is good cooking - not the taste of the food itself, but the emotions it evokes when someone eats it.
Ratatouille is amazing. It's my top 3 Pixar films, next to Toy Story series, and The Incredibles. Pixar really needs to let Brad Bird do more films because he's incredible (no pun intended).
I loved this movie, except for the Linguini character. He's a whiny little bitch the whole film. I guess that's supposed to set him up on an arc, but after watching the film several times, that character really stands out as the weakest part.
Um, I donโt think Ego Live an impoverished childhood. He had a bike, he had a cozy home. Maybe middle class, but not a dingy flat in a ghetto. Giving him ratatouille would be the equivalent of giving a kid a bowl of Campbellโs soup or some Mac n cheese.
I was actually going to cooking school when this movie came out. Our professor went to see it and he was almost certain that Pixar was going to screw it up. He came to class the next day PRAISING IT. He absolutely loved the small details of it all the way down to the setup of the kitchen. He made us all watch the movie as a final and give a report on it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone else in here apparently loved it but I think it's one of the less interesting pixar movies. I watched it for the first time shortly after Inside Out and Zootopia (which I guess was Disney but not pixar) and I liked both of them a lot more. It freaking starts with a record scratch / freeze frame. Come on.
To this day, Ratatouille has been my favourite Pixar product. I love the others too but they are not even close to this grandeur.
tiglon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
great movie
rosehnh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I last watched the movie many years ago, back when I was just a primary schooler and saw nothing but a rat can cook.
Thats it. A rat who is able to cook.
I even thought to myself "ugh that boring movie, again!? " When Disney kept showing the film on its channel.
Now, a second year in Uni, reading comments and that famous critic lines from Ratatouille, Im planning on watching the whole thing again to actually gain myself a deeper understanding of the movie, how talents can be overlooked, how hard work could be underated and many more.
:)
igg73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:33 on June 5, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guess im watching ratatouille tonight. For the first time.
Hmmmm. Perhaps Iโll have to watch this movie. I didnโt realize it had such glowing reviews. I actually thought it was perceived as a subpar, โfillerโ Pixar movie.
Indarys70 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, Ratatouille suffers from the same issue all Brad Bird's movies: It's a thinly veiled objectivist screed. It's a movie about the fact that while anyone can good, only the elite can cook well, and the institutions only serve to hold back the elite that can spring from anywhere if the damn "government" just gets out of the way. (It's no concidence that Ego loses his position as the "institution" and instead becomes a small business investor).
It's literally "The Fountainhead" with rats and cooking subbed for people and architects.
Objectivism believes elites can come from anywhere--and that the government and all other lesser beings need to get out of their way and let them do their thing. It's very attractive to 15 year old kids who think they're special and amazing and if only mom would let them do what they wanted!
Most people grow out of this phase and realize they're not anything special, and that ability is mostly a function of education and interest in a subject as well as ability to access it (i.e. not being poor as fuck).
Brad Bird never grew out of it. Or more precisely he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, became a director since he was mentored by Milt Kahl from childhood, and now desperately needs to feel special and like he accomplished something and wasn't just born into royalty, so he turned to Objectivism as an explanation (he was just "born better" and thus successful).
Tommorrowland is substantially more obviously objectivist, to the point it's quite unnerving to watch.
So you don't buy into that whole "culinary arts" thing? Or if you do then, all artists are basically the same? Beyond that, culinary critics don't affect success?
Indarys70 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Success is a function of passion for a particular subject and ability to pursue it. All artists are the same when they first start, most successful artists are better at establishing social connections and getting themselves publicity. Social standing and connections is a far greater indicator of success (and the reason Bird himself was successful) than "talent".
m63646 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must be fun at all the parties people don't invite you to.
I just think it's a cut above most, I understand it's made mainly for children but there are countless people that enjoy it. The voice acting plot and setting really grabbed me
I tried to watch this with my 16 month old son a couple weeks ago and it scared the ever loving shit out of him. I have no idea why. I had to turn it off.
cqxray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's rats, that's why! And it's rats in the kitchen, at that. I'm still grossed out by that aspect of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
vidman33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was lovely thanks.
rom9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ur welcome !
boosh92 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years later, that scene when he first kisses her and she thinks about macing him in the face but then she's like, "nah, I actually like this," has aged horribly.
Yes! I recently rewatched the movie and that scene was so bad. She kept obviously resisting and he forces himself on her. Yikes. Still a good movie tho
I mean I get where you're coming from but just picture it in a non cute romantic movie. She had her pepper spray ready to go.
Also saying oh Tumblr is like saying oh Reddit when there's like some incels shit going on here. It's like the radical minority
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:30:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this movie was hot garbage
CBH3403 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hot Take Alert: The Incredibles is also the best superhero movie of all time. It establishes a complex universe with it's own history, characters, and established rules; (sorry if I used the semi colon wrong grammar nazis) constructs one of the top three greatest super hero villains of all time for the heroes to fight (granted I haven't seen Black Panther yet although I love Michael B Jordan I dont think he's better than Ledger, but gotta respect any dude thats been on the wire so that's why theres three instead of the actual two) and works as one of the greatest think pieces on the American Marriage (The fact that infidelity, the imprisonment one could feel within a familiar or familial environment, and the power one can achieve relying upon others are all concepts easily accessible and understandable in a children's movie is CRAZY) Basically Brad Bird is the Orson Welles (insert any legendary director of your choosing) of animation.
Joe_Cumia ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to support the film when the lead actor is alleged to have been involved in the suspicious death of his former wife
Cimejies ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Ratatouille was weak, predictable and dull, doing very little new and risking very little, with the critic getting whisked back to his childhood and liking the dish being almost the only possible outcome of that scene based on it being a Disney film. Some good life lessons kicking around in there though.
Kinglink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:16:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy the movie, but I just feel like the critic's speech at the end is all sorts of self congratulatory masturbation that it's not a surprise all sorts of creatives love the movie.
Have you ever watched this movie with no audio or subtitles, or in a language you donโt understand? I loved this movie until for work reasons i had to watch it in cantonese with no subs. It instantly became creepy as hell. Its a bunch of rats!!! In a kitchen!!!! Messing with your food!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:28:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I lived two years in Europe and by an exceedingly large margin my worst experiences were in Paris. It is not a classy city. Arrogant? Sure. Does it ruin the movie? Not for me. I wouldn't call the film the best of anything but it did have a number of redeeming qualities. I know hating on Paris is cliche - hell, I had a skinhead fight right outside my hotel room in London but it still was a far better experience than my couple of weeks in Paris.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even the rest of France hates on Paris. I understand why.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Xfissionx ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:40:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
U realize allegory refers to the bible and not just any ole metaphors.
Flumper ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:03:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect. An allegory is basically just a metaphor on a larger scale, ie a movie as a whole can be an allegory but a specific scene or object that represents something would be a metaphor. The bible contains both, but has claim to neither.
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trackofalljades ยท 5326 points ยท Posted at 15:00:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The whole โthe new needs friendsโ aside by Anton Ego is one of the best bits of dialogue that Pixar or Disney have ever done, and it never fades from my admiration.
notcaffeinefree ยท 8010 points ยท Posted at 15:47:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/-JPOoFkrh94?t=50s
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Ratatouille - Anton Ego speech
V.O.S. in spanish. Anton Ego's voice performed by Peter O'Toole.
http://la-linterna-magica.blogspot.com/
[deleted] ยท 4204 points ยท Posted at 15:58:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Killerina ยท 1636 points ยท Posted at 16:17:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The line "Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere" is the line that stuck with me. I haven't seen Ratatouille in years, but that quote occasionally pops into my head.
LuckyPlaze ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 19:41:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And is true for writing too... like Pixar.
I feel the original article mislabeled it. It's not allegory, but myth. Myth can be applied to many different situations, people, places and times; and allegory is much more specific. Pixar's films work because they are timeless. They are their own little mythology - that transcends time and space and taps into deep seated facets of human emotion and society.
arjunmohan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it not an allegory though?
LuckyPlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Allegory is specific. It references a specific time, place or perspective. Itโs meant to explore a very specific subject and the author is deliberately trying to associate the viewer with the emotions or point of view he wants to convey.
Allegory is a weaker form of myth. IMO
arjunmohan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So here it references the overall concept of creativity and artistry whereas it should reference a SPECIFIC form of it?
LuckyPlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually saying that Ratouille is better than allegory. Because it's applicable to many different things.
I mean, Pixar didn't set out to write something that applies specifically to refugees. They wrote something that appeals to people who feel left out, or those who aspire to be more than what they are. It's just - they wrote it so well and in such basic constructs - that it can then be applied to modern interpretations.
Myth is greater than allegory. Myth is timeless and broad, where allegory is specific.
arjunmohan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I see what you mean
czgheib ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:09:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan Peterson would like a word with you.
_PurpleAlien_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:25:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I re-use that quote quite often.
theth1rdchild ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 16:45:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is one of my favorite movies, and that line actually sticks with me in a negative way.
I don't believe that anyone truly can't do something if they put enough time and effort into it. Barring true mental disease, any lack of existing talent can be overcome with hard work. "God's chosen" is one of Hollywood's most frustrating myths, and it mars an otherwise perfect film for me.
perturabo_ ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 16:52:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not quite so certain - for example, Usain Bolt undeniably has put a lot of time into training. However were I to train to the same degree, it is unlikely I would be as good an athlete as him. I think there is some element of predisposition towards skill or creativity in certain people. That's not to say that someone can't do something by putting work in though.
theth1rdchild ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:55:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We don't start on equal playing fields, that's absolutely true. But "a great" is the quote, not "the greatest". Someone with a speech impediment is going to have a really hard time making a rap album better than To Pimp A Butterfly, but they can still make a really great album.
CerberusC24 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sam Smith has a very noticeable lisp and is still a successful singer for example
theth1rdchild ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:32:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Modest Mouse's Isaac Brock has a horrible lisp, and they're huge.
CryptidGrimnoir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:40:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You never know though. It's not quite the same thing, but Winston Churchill had a stutter, and he was one of the most eloquent speakers of the twentieth century.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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theth1rdchild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would you know? How would you measure that?
Aujax92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing you can't be the greatest doesn't bar anyone from doing something that they love.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:55:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not what that line means, though, so itโs understandable that your interpretation would be a โnegativeโ one.
What that line really means is โtalent can come from anywhereโ. Meaning, just because someone grew up in a poor remote village somewhere, or in this case, is a literal rat, doesnโt mean they canโt be talented.
โA great artist can come from anywhereโ, regardless if they grew up a prince or a pauper. He means that greatness isnโt something that is confined to a few checked boxes on a resume (best schools, best training, best apprenticeship, etc) but that even someone who came from nothing can be great.
So yes, hard work can get you many places. That line isnโt disputing that. Itโs just saying โtalent can come from anywhereโ like somewhere unexpected like rat from the country vs a star chef from franceโs top culinary school. Make sense?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:02:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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Shrekquille_Oneal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:51:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that drawing from real events minimizes your writing ability. In fact anyone can come up with a creative storyline and still make it dogshit by not telling it well or just having a bad story to begin with.
In fact, I don't think that coming up with things out of mid air is necessary for being a great artist anyways. Almost every great musician has influences. Hell, photography is kind of impossible without something to work with, but you can still take beautiful pictures.
Art shouldn't be about what it is, but what it makes you feel if that makes sense. If it isn't 100% original but it's good then who really gives a shit?
jombeesuncle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting perspective I hadn't really thought about.
Art is expressive, not necessarily creative.
Hmm.
Shrekquille_Oneal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I wouldn't say they're mutually exclusive. Creativity can come from the perspective you take on something that's already there (this is the only thing that makes photography a form of art imo).
Really activates the almonds eh?
Highcalibur10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โYou think I came out the pussy drawing fucking Mozart?โ - Egoraptor
He was shit when he started, but he kept going and can draw now. Iโm a terrible fucking artist. I literally draw worse than 8 year olds; Iโm limited to stick figures.
But if I put the effort in, over even 1 year thereโd be a noticeable change. Thereโs hundreds of pictures on Reddit of people showing their progression in drawing skill over time and the only consistent factor is that they did it pretty much every day.
You can do it.
theth1rdchild ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would be my opinion that your opinion of yourself is informed by society's damaging ideal that arts have to be innate. I know that's presumptuous and I haven't lived your life, but I think it's silly that any of us expect ourselves to be good at things we aren't trained in. Some people can be, but it's not a death knell for people who aren't. Some of my favorite musical artists can't or couldn't sing. When I started playing guitar at 11 I couldn't even hear that my guitar was out of tune until I heard it played back next to the original track. I'm 28 now and can tune very close to standard without any external help. These things can be learned.
You might be interested to read this link about talent vs skill. https://www.artiststrong.com/is-art-a-skill-or-talent/
jombeesuncle ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you that anything can be taught, but people will have a predisposition for certain things. Like I said, I can't art. I'm just terrible at minute details with my hands. But, put a keyboard in my hands and I can practically talk to electronics. I can know what's wrong with them before you're even done explaining it. Computers just come naturally to me and I'm a natural troubleshooter.
I have a ton of training and have put thousands of hours into honing my craft, but two main points still stand.
1. I was good at it, at least good enough to keep trying.
2. I was better at that than the many alternatives my family tried to get me into. My brother is a fantastic artist and a half decent guitarist, my mother is a painter, sculptor, stained glass, air brushing.. whatever she tries she's at least pretty good at. Good enough to be encouraged to keep learning and trying.
I also have aphantasia, which I think has a huge part in my complete lack of artistic ability. I can't picture things in my head, so I'm not able to draw things I can't picture in my head.
theth1rdchild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aphantasia sounds like exactly the kind of thing that would negate my point, and I tried to say that in my first post. An actual mental or physical issue could stop someone from effectively building a skill.
And I completely agree with this. A natural talent often gets the ball rolling to develop a skill. I work in IT for the same reason I didn't actively pursue a career in music - my talent was computers. It's just the last ten years of bumping my head into walls and speaking with accomplished musicians I have gotten to hang out with and play with that I began to research whether I'd been wrong in my assumption that the lack of natural talent meant I couldn't do it. I now fully believe that anyone can do it, and I believe a preponderance of scientific evidence backs that up.
But honestly it sounds you're happy with your decision and I don't mean to imply you shouldn't be. All talents are valuable if they make you happy. I just think society needs to recognize that talent and skill aren't quite so divorced as we imagined.
jombeesuncle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we're all that far apart as far as our opinions go. I may think that there is more of a talent part to it, but hard work and training will always trump raw talent, it's just without the raw talent there won't be the desire to put the work into developing a talent.
I think Matthew Weaver makes a good point in the comments on that link. To say that any amount of talent can be honed to perfection is to take away from the masterpieces of the greats like Rembrandt, Beethoven and Einstein.
All incredibly talented people who perfected their art, who got the proper training to complement their natural talents.
Interesting to think about though and it gives me hope for my daughter. She's wanted to be a singer since she could talk, but there's not a lot of talent going on there. So lessons will hopefully help with that.
JamEngulfer221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so you have an actual barrier to creating art, not just a skill barrier. That's different.
Shalamarr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:53:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I respectively disagree. The book Of Human Bondage addressed this - there's a female character who's convinced that she has what it takes to become a successful artist, if only she keeps "plugging away". When we meet her, she's been in Paris for several years, and her efforts are no better than when she started. Her teacher finally tells her bluntly that she has no talent and she'd be better off going back to England and having babies. (It was the 30's.)
theth1rdchild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I incorrect in assuming that is fiction?
Shalamarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, you're correct, it is fiction - I think the point stands, though.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:54:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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yobeast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone of those players can gradually get better, not by merely putting the time in but by spending the time in the right way. Reflect on your mistakes, practice the very basic mechanics of the game, watch what great players do and challenge your own approach over and over, that's how you get good
Ceramicrabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but I don't think everybody can put in correct practice time and become a pro. With enough hard work everyone could be exceptional but to get to the top of the top it obviously takes more than just hard work.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but see I did get better I should be challenger ranked, it's just my teammates fault /s
JamEngulfer221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about just the time you put in, but the intention too. If you played a game for a year with the goal of improving your skill, you would get better than you would have playing for 5 years casually.
theth1rdchild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Video games and sports are an area that's just a little grayer due to necessary reaction times and a fluidity of the mind that decreases with age, but art is different. Being a great chef would imply studying and applying your studies to your dishes, experimenting and tweaking. It requires a set of tastebuds willing to try your food, the ability to read or listen to instruction, and time/focus/energy/money.
But to clarify a little - just playing the same game for years wouldn't make you better. You'd need to adjust and learn. It's easy to keep making the same mistakes over and over.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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theth1rdchild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We live in an era of Google and timers. That level of stupid would require a complete lack of focus to achieve, not a lack of talent or skill.
Ceramicrabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me? Of course hard work can make up for a lack of talent but only to some degree, to be truly the best at anything you need both without question.
disguisedeyes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This simply isn't true, though. For example, with cooking, some people naturally have better palates. Sure, people can spend some time training their palate and get better than they were, but others can simply smell and taste better, and their mind might naturally be able to play with those flavor profiles in their head.
This is true for sports as well, of course, but really, with most anything. Some people just 'get' engines the first time they see them. Daniel Negreanu's natural ability to read people has made him millions in poker, and his level of ability is astonishing... if 'anyone' could simply train to that level, all professional pokers would. And they try, sure, and get better... but he clearly has ability beyond all or almost all of his peers, and has since he came on the scene.
I mean, sure, everyone can get -better- with dedication and practice. But there are phenoms in every field, and in most cases, a large part of the reason they are a phenom is a combination of hard work, practice, dedication, and innate natural ability in that field.
theth1rdchild ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We very nearly agree. All I'm saying is that just because Einstein existed doesn't mean Joe down the street couldn't achieve a similar level of mathematical skill if he really wanted to. Nabokov could write better in his second language of English than most English writers; does that mean you can't write a best-seller?
There is so much myth built up around "the greats" that no one wants to acknowledge that nearly anyone can become one. It doesn't make scientific sense for anything else to be the case - variations within the same species are very slight in most measurable ways, and if anything makes us special as humans it's our adaptability.
You could become a great chef without a tongue, much less a refined pallette.
badhoneylips ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think your definition of "great" is different from what we're talking about. That's why we have different words for all of those levels..like "adequate" or "good". I disagree that with enough practice a chef with no tongue could be great. And we DO have lots of people who train and plug away in their respective fields without achieving "greatness" -- tons of good teachers and artists and musicians who are good but not great. Sometimes they are simply unrecognized greatness, but usually it's just that they are adequate.
disguisedeyes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless Joe down the street happens to be a bona fide genius, then no, he's not a secret Einstein. Yes, it's possible any given person might be that smart, but that does not mean -you- could suddenly decide to study physics and equal Einstein's intellect and understanding of the issue.
Panthertron ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what youโre saying is you completely donโt understand Egoโs pretty simple observation at all then. Gotcha.
theth1rdchild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, care to explain? I'd love to have nothing to complain about this movie for.
Panthertron ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That line has nothing to do with fate or destiny. Itโs like you zoomed out too much. Him saying that โnot everyone can be greatโ is not equal to saying โonly some select few can be greatโ. Itโs a logical fallacy to draw that conclusion from his statement. Him saying that is just a lead in to his broader point that greatness can come from anywhere, which is true and remains true regardless if destiny is true or not. His point has nothing to do with being โchosenโ itโs simply that...greatness can come from anywhere (a passionate sewer rat in this case.)
farhil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I disagree with your stance, I think your comment is a valuable contribution to the discussion, and shouldnโt have been downvoted so heavily. Come on guys, โdownvoteโ doesnโt mean โdisagreeโ, look at the good comments that resulted from his reply
CuvisTheConqueror ยท 589 points ยท Posted at 16:12:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roger Ebert wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, which wasn't super well received, but does have something of a cult following.
drunz ยท 433 points ยท Posted at 16:21:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought criticss wrote hogwash and were full of themselves until I started reading Roger Ebert. While he may have been full of himself sometimes, he still was the most amazing critic I have ever seen.
adsilcott ยท 791 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Roger Ebert taught me that a great critic isn't someone who you always agree with, but someone who explains why they liked or disliked something so well that you can understand it even if you disagree with it, and by doing so they teach you about how to appreciate the medium and have your own opinions about it. His reviews taught me how to watch and enjoy films in a much deeper way, and for that I'm very grateful.
porkpie1028 ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 16:57:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of a French teacher I had back in high school who snickered upon realizing I was reading a lot of Kerouac at the time. She said "Porkpie1028, you're better than that wannabe stream of consciousness dribble, I understand it's place in young minds, just remember that it's search for meaning is "drug fueled, purposeless, and quite full of itself."
tipofmythrowaway2323 ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed the giants of French thought and literature, who are known for their abstinence from drug abuse, direct purpose, and humility.
porkpie1028 ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 17:33:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She just happened to teach French, as well as Italian, Spanish, and Latin. She was a sharp lady, that's why it stuck with me for 20 years.
kjm1123490 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:29:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Kerouac is prerty masturbatory... while camus and sartre, i believe, actually look at and adress core human issues in a sound and reasonable way.
Sometimes i think it has to do with how young the US really is.
droidtron ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:13:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Balzac could be a ballsack sometimes.
larrydocsportello ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:51:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats interesting. I look back at On the Road and hate it now, it provides optimism in a lifestyle thats really a slow death. But when I was a kid, it was the best.
That and Fear and Loathing. Now, I absolutely hate both. Hunter atleast acknowledges he and his movement was a failure and that was mostly drugs but I hate how he never came to terms with that ultimately drugs made him a shit person.
SuddenlyTheBatman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just stopped reading On the Road when I realized after he went West and back, and there was a whole chunk of book left that I didn't care any more. Only later to read a summary and realize that's just it, he just went back and forth...again. (I know there's more important it's not the destination it's the journey stuff in there). I get why it's important and experiencing it for a few hours was fun but it's just not for me.
larrydocsportello ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:12:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, hes just a drunk trying to seek some sort of "God" to explain why hes a drunk. I could write an essay about On the Road is just the 12 Steps of AA.
porkpie1028 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly although Hunter really was a self aware, brilliant writer. The world needs Gonzos
larrydocsportello ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They both were really great writers, but I think their literature did more harm than good in the long run. Jack Kerouac died at 47 from alcoholism, thats absolutely nuts. He was a hopeless drunk and really shouldnt be telling a generation of people how to live, even though that wasnt his intention at all.
porkpie1028 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was her point. He was no different than a judgmental hipster telling you how to think and behave today.
decklund ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
None of those three adjectives are mutually exclusive with 'good' though. Something can be all 3 of those things and still a good novel.
oD323 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:14:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the word is drivel.
SuttonWho ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She was right on all three counts. I was in sway of the Beats when young, alsoโbut it's shallow stuff. JK had great heart in his early workโDharma Bums is incredibly likable. Burroughs, smart, funny, but soulless. Ginsberg, full of dim bulb, swiped profundities. Gary Snyder was okay. The other Beats aren't even worth mentioning.
Folks on this planet have written far deeper, far richer, far more searchingly brave works than da Beats.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never wanted to argue with a French teacher as much as I do right now lol
porkpie1028 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:52:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why? In reality she wasn't wrong and would destroy about 99.9% of the earths population in a debate. She was and is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met and although that might mean nothing coming from an anon online it still has merit to me and people that know me IRL.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Because at the end of the day this is entirely subjective and although she'd probably school me if we actually discussed it, I personally will defend Kerouac and all stream of consciousness stuff because I believe in it and find it to not be meaningless junk. It's probably the only prose that accepts the ludicrousness and reflectiveness status of art without just falling into nihilism by saying "nothing matters, lol".
I'm not disputing the intelligence of your teacher, I merely disagree with her on the merit of stream of consciousness. Who knows, in 20 years time I'll probably have changed my mind.
porkpie1028 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She wasn't criticizing SoC. She was criticizing his SoC. She and I loved and discussed Finnegans Wake. I don't how it was so hard to understand this based on my original comment.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I misunderstood it as she was criticizing all SoC as 'wannabe'.
gabriel1313 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:55:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In reality, you could say the same about many books. A lot of Stephen King's earlier work was the same.
porkpie1028 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen King, seriously? I'm talking about woman who learned French so she could read Camus and Voltaire. Italian so she could read Divina Commedia and Spanish for the poetry that can never be translated without losing its soul. Stephen King, heh...
SunshineAndWartime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The irony of you posting something like this in a thread about Ratatouille -- a movie about celebrating art of all kinds, including art of humble origins -- seems completely lost on you
porkpie1028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem not to understand that "not everyone can be a great chef".
SunshineAndWartime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that fine, thanks. Not everyone has to be one of the greats in order to be appreciated.
In any case, you're allowed to think that King is garbage; the bigger problem here is that you were being an ass about it. That was very unnecessary.
porkpie1028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never said he was garbage. He was just a terrible example to make an invalid point. If being an ass is what it takes to call out BS then guilty as charged. Thanks for contributing
gabriel1313 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what you're talking about right now. But in the long run every one of those could be seen as purposeless and meaningless, according to how one might interpret them. Judy Bloom books might be a million times more meaningful to some readers than the Divine Comedy. And I personally don't give a damn about your teacher's opinions. And I can translate that into several languages for her if I ever get the chance to tell her.
porkpie1028 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice, dear. I'm sure you could. There, there. Good luck.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She wasnโt wrong.
gabriel1313 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:54:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except Kerouac's work is historically significant. Beats generation is historically significant. I'm sure you could say the same thing about the Bible - it being purposeless, and quite full of itself. But it's historically significant. And therefore worth reading.
MrBokbagok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
drivel, not dribble
IronChefJesus ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:10:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been if the opinion that if you love some thing, truly love something, you should be able to pick out it'a flaws. Admit what isn't good about it, and strive to have it improved.
It's not out of dislike, it's out of love.
Cige ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you truly love something the flaws become just another source of entertainment, like The Star Wars Prequels.
IronChefJesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have to REALLY like Star Wars then.
starcore2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hello there
Cige ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
General Kenobi!
duaneap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like your children.
IronChefJesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, things aren't the same as people.
That being said, part of raising kids is trying to teach them wrong and right. That's an example of something you can help them improve with.
It's not that they're bad, or wrong, or its a flaw though, they are just growing up.
philodendrin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what you would do if you loved something that was perfect.
IronChefJesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft. What a dumb question.
Obviously I love myself.
(I don't actually love myself)
reindeer73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/PrequelMemes
booga_booga_partyguy ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 17:10:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We live in an era where the concept of "mainstream" is slowly but inevitably being eroded away, and all forms of artistic expression have the opportunity to become "big" thanks to how effective the Internet is that distributing information/content.
I mean, how do you define "mainstream" anymore? A kid playing video games and cussing endlessly can and does get millions of followers. How is that no longer "mainstream" if there are literally millions of people consuming this content?
It's simultaneously glorious and terrifying in it's implications. The amazing part is anyone and everyone has a chance to exhibit their talent, and barring a few factors, they all have a relatively even chance of getting noticed.
The terrifying part is that this is leading to the absolute opposite of what you're saying. Now that nothing is mainstream anymore, content is getting more and more compartmentalised.
For example, as a kid, I would get to hear a variety of music on the radio because in the place I lived (ie. Not the US or Europe), radio Top 40 lists were a very interesting potpurri of pop, rock/metal, R&B, and local music. Fewer sources to get stuff, so the sources themselves used to cater to a wider audience to ensure there was something for everyone.
Now, however, I can find dozens or more sources providing non-stop music only for the genre(s) I like. As a result, the type of music I listen to has shrink over the years. Where a kid my mix tapes would have at least 2-3 songs outside my genres of preference, I now have a playlist that's literally 1000s of times larger, but much narrower in terms of variety.
This is leading us to a point where "give it a chance" is a dying concept because...why do you need to? This, in turn, is making us far less tolerant of things outside our tastes because it promotes a circle jerk mentality.
ps_ ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:30:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you make a good point about what i think, ultimately, is the loss of a shared cultural experience that once existed simply because we didn't have so many options. however, i don't think this is a particularly new trend (though the internet may have exacerbated things).
after the passing of elvis in the 1970s, rock critic, lester bangs, concluded his obituary pretty incredibly, basically addressing what you write about (pinpointing elvis' death as the start of it). here's a link, and here's how it ends:
Halvus_I ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:40:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Because it doesnt enter the collective consciousness like it did during the era when we only had three TV channels and so everyone came into work/school the next day saying 'OMG, who shot J.R.???'
Very few come into work/school the next day to say 'OMG did you see that move Xx_PlayedYoMoMMa_xX pulled off last night?'
A few million followers is not 'mainstream', 100 million households tuning into the MASH finale is mainstream.
booga_booga_partyguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:02:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, this might not be happening anymore because we can now discuss topics of our interest instantly online with fellow fans. If you and I both follow Xx_PlayedYoMoMMA_xX (this made me chuckle), we're both most likely going to be commenting either on his YouTube channel, Discord, his dedicated subreddit, or maybe even on all of them. The two crucial things here are that:
a) We now have the ability to satisfy our need to talk about our media consumption instantly. b) We can do it on platforms alongside hundreds or thousands of like minded individuals.
When you can do that, why would you feel the need to actively hunt for people IRL who share your interest? If Dallas was on today, we would all be theory-crafting the shit out of "Who shot J.R." right here on Reddit, instead of having to wait till tomorrow to talk about it with school mates/co-workers.
At best, you'd be able to talk to one person on the phone, in which case, you know you're going to get yelled at when mom thinks you're spending too much time on the phone which will lead to phone privileges getting revoked for the rest of the evening (and that's assuming you were even allowed to touch the phone that late in the day).
Look at it another way. Back then, it was an all or nothing deal. If you weren't mainstream, you'd be very lucky to get 100k people watching whatever you do, let along a million. Nowadays, though? YouTube personalities get millions to tens of millions of views by producing content they don't even have to leave their home to produce. MASH was a huge production, backed by a huge network which had mad cash to throw in marketing, etc. Paul Logan (or whatever his name is) hasn't had to spend a dime on marketing to get millions of views.
Thanks. I've now got the damn theme stuck in my head. I hope you're happy.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:43:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand where you are coming from but I have to say I have the opposite experience. Itโs because of this new media Iโve been able to access and consume music and television I never would have considered before.
With pandora music, I get the โradio likeโ experience which so far has shown me music outside my traditional favorites. And when I look for new stuff, I tend to go to Apple Musicโs main page and browse whatโs hot at the moment or whatโs on their charts. Iโve found some great stuff that way that past me wouldnโt have considered.
And same with TV. With YouTube & social media/reddit, I have discovered clips of shows I hadnโt heard of, like Mr. Robot and Black Mirror, which led me to go find them to watch. We now have a million choices for tv watching so that can be overwhelming, but I love that we have such variety out there that I can find things outside my usual tv.
I think our consumption of modern media is only as limited as we allow it to be. If you find yourself trapped in a small niche area, itโs really easy to go out and find other things to consume instead.
gabriel1313 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:57:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. I disagree. I find so much more diverse music through Spotify than I ever could with Apple Music. And I love Spotify for that. It might be up to the consumer to avoid compartmentalization. Actually, no. It definitely is up to the consumer to do so.
booga_booga_partyguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, this is absolutely true. I can't and won't deny the compartmentalization i talked about is due to me doing it to myself.
I was focusing primarily on why people do what I do, and I think my type is in the majority. I like my music, but I'm no curator of music. I'm not the sort who actively chases after new music experiences, and instead stick with what's easiest to access. Totally my bad, but that's also because the way I get my music makes that so much easier.
Take Spotify as an example, since you mentioned it. Spotify (or other similar apps/services like it - I have Spotify where I am so I can only base my experience on rival services I do have access to) push forward music it thinks I would like based on what it thinks I prefer, which basically means its streamlining what it gives me already. It's not likely to throw me something from a genre I don't have at all in my collection.
It boils down to interest. I imagine if you're a serious audiophile, you'll actively look for newer experiences, etc. If you're like me, however, you're probably not going to do that.
StaffSgtDignam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I sort of agree with you, money and resources are still needed to produce content with less limitations. For example, Marvel Studios can produce big budget superhero movies but your average YouTuber simply can not because there is a lack of resources there to develop content. YouTubers and Twitch streamers definitely can produce content but it will likely have severe limitations that "mainstream" content funded by big studios will not (logistics/travel, equipment used, CGI, post-production, actors, etc. etc.).
brutinator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree with that. I feel that, going back a century ago, if you wanted to read, you read anything you could get your hands on, but nowadays, people hardly ever read anything outside of their specific preferences. We all moan and complain about assigned reading in school, as we have since most school children could read, but the most important lesson it taught us was to find appreciation for things that we don't like. It's a habit I have to constantly break myself out of. I enjoy reading manga, especially sci fi stories and to a point battle mangas, but I decided that I'd instead start to read stories that, while they didn't immediately interest me, were highly rated no matter the genre. I used to hate slice of life, and now I love it. I never could get into sports manga, but I can appreciate it. And it's opened my eyes to so many other things, whether it be theater or boxing or Go.
Anecdotally, I see that when I talk to my much younger brother when talking about video games. When I was growing up, there weren't that many video games, esp. with what I could afford as a child. I mean, not like nowadays. Because of that, I have no problem soldiering through a boring part in a game or learning new mechanics in an RPG or reading walls of text. My brother, on the other hand, has so much access to almost anything he wants through my collection and emulations that he only plays what exactly conforms to his preferences, and if it deviates, it's a bad game in his eyes.
Eryius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a personal problem.
macboot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is also why the response "well if you think this is bad, let's see you do better" is nonsense. The job of a critic is to understand and express their feelings from an end product. They will often have an understanding of the production of whatever it is they criticize, but their skillset is totally different from someone who actually has to produce and execute the art. Many artists have not worked on the skills necessary to criticise and many critics have not learned the skills necessary to create, but their opinions can still be valued and taken constructively, because that is their job.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:32:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roger Ebert was also one of those critics that didn't mind fun movies, even if they were bad, and could recognise the bad from the good, and the fun from either of them.
ScattershotShow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Does this movie succeed in what it's trying to do?" is basically the question he tried to answer in each of his reviews. Whether it was slapstick or neo noir, he always gave every movie a even footing.
jeanvaljean_24601 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the more transcendent moments in my appreciation of film came from watching Citizen Kane. I watched it first as it should be watched. I immediately watched it again with Ebert's commentary. It was an amazing eye opening experience.
Every Friday I would go to his website to read his new reviews (he also had a knack to keep them spoiler free). I really miss reading his reviews. He was the best.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dunkey of all people goes into this a small amount in his video on game critics. People are going to have personal taste and if you read reviews from critics who hate whatever it is you love, their opinion shouldn't be a factor in how much you enjoy it
lapbro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2dXobAXLI
Love Dunkey and this is one of my favorites of his. Great video.
redditproha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I always looked for his ratings when deciding whether to watch a movie, but never read the full reviews. Interesting. I'll have to go back and read him.
TheLostSkellyton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough, the thing that made me most respectful of Roger Ebert was his review of The Devil's Rejects. That's not a film I ever want to watch, it's not a film he wanted to watch, but he had to, and then had to say something about it. And, in spite of finding it utterly distasteful and horrific, he reviewed it fairly and gave it three stars even though he did not enjoy it at all, and expressed very clearly that he didn't actually recommend watching it. That review is the ultimate lesson to any media critic on how to consume media while being well-informed enough on the medium/genre and open-minded enough to recognize a movie etc. for what it is. I've never seen such a pure film review before or since.
ToAlphaCentauriGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im reading his review of Freddy got Fingered and... im not seeing it.
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/freddy-got-fingered-2001
billybishop4242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The โreading rainbowโ of movies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... what?
you often agree with critics? i find myself NOT agreeing with critics most of the time.
but the thing with ebert was that, he was USUALLY agreeable. and why i loved him was because even though he may have had pretension, he didn't have it in his work.
like.. he gives good marks to those "summer blockbuster-y" movies because he understand WHAT it is. he critiques and grades movies on WHAT IT'S TRYING to be, and the niche it fills. like the movie 'TAKEN' would probably be lauded or ignored by critics. he gives it a 3/4. i mean.. taken is probably not the best example but... he grades movies FAIRLY... he doesn't critique every movie like it's supposed to be up for an Oscar. that's why i like reading his shit.
CuvisTheConqueror ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 16:24:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Ebert is probably the critic I respect the most out of any of them, past or present. Though even he did have his spots of blind pretension (for example, the "are video games art?" debate).
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:50:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What other critics do you respect?
ExecutiveN00B ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Zoller Seitz is my fave - he writes frequently for rogerebert.com (which is great) and articles on TV for nymag.com.
His twitter's damn fine too.
EddieAnderson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Leonard Maltin has been my go-to ever since Ebert passed. Siskel is also obviously quite good.
chaostrophy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another one than Gene? He passed away years before Roger Ebert.
MyL1ttlePwnys ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:00:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Redlettermedia...they make no qualms about balancing art of film making and how people watch movies.
They also won't accept previews, junkets, gifts and pay for all their viewings to maintain integrity.
Vio_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:35:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably a generational thing. It's hard to see the new "thing" when you're 30 years already into your career.
I see it even now on reddit. People pooping on youtube and instragram. Except 10 years from now, those post teenagers will bring up the best of the "mindless entertainment" and declare it as its own treasured art pieces and heirlooms of the memory.
Jonas42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was there more to the "are video games art" thing that I missed? I read something of Ebert's where he indicated that, by his definition, art indicated a level of authorial control that simply isn't present in games. So to him, they weren't art not because they're useless or without value, but simply because they don't meet his personal criteria for what art is.
CuvisTheConqueror ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:09:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He has, at times, indicated that games simply aren't able to communicate or provoke emotional response on a level of art, which is simply false. And regardless, I'd disagree with that assertion as well; of course there is a level of authorial control. A gamer has only as much freedom as the game's author allows them; no more, no less. You might as well say that film is not an art form because one can pause, rewind, fast-forward, scene select, or leave the player running while they go to the bathroom.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs fair, but Iโd argue that unlike movies, some of the best games ever are flat out not art. Modern Warfare is a triumph, and it isnโt by any reasonable description art.
CuvisTheConqueror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd disagree with that, too. It's certainly not high art, but it's art in the same sense that a Michael Bay movie is.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a Michael Bay movie is art though.
CuvisTheConqueror ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just a matter of taste, though.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for me personally. It doesn't really matter how good or bad a movie is, to be art it has to try and say something. The Rock is a fine movie, but it just wants to entertain.
CuvisTheConqueror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK, fair enough. But you would never say that, because The Rock is not art, film as a whole is not art and can never be art.
redfricker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like he didn't like games or see their value. He just views art as something a bit specific and that the interactive nature of games made that difficult to impossible to achieve. He also said most movies aren't art, either. The main issue seems to stem from his definition of art and not a personal issue with video games as a concept.
debacol ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its clear that, if he were alive today and tried something like Horizon Zero Dawn, or Journey he would change his tune.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:47:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, maybe Journey.
redfricker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He only died five years ago. It's not like he died in the 90s or something. Games haven't changed that much since.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HZD is the most overrated thing ever I wish people would stfu about. It was good but that is all. Why is there so much hype for such a mediocre story and boring gameplay?
Like, why is that the goto for story games now?
disguisedeyes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ebert's commentary on Citizen Kane isn't just brilliant, it helps you see film in a new way. New ways, really. Truly a great critic, I can't think of anyone who compares.
DustyHayes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roger Eberts' review of 'The Hangover' made transition from dislikinv the film to liking it. I had seen the film, didn't like it, years later I read his review and rewatched it in a new light and my opinion changed to one of amusement. Good critic, personal politics and social standing aside.
redditproha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you mind expounding on why you feel he was the best? I've always looked for his ratings but haven't read many of his reviews.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why donโt you just read a couple of his reviews rather than asking a fellow redditor to spoon feed you? Smh.
redditproha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have read a couple of Eberts reviews. I'm asking him why, in his opinion, Ebert was the best critic. There's no right answer.
Calm down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I read โmanyโ as โanyโ. Sorry having a bad day.
turtlespace ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He lost a lot of credibility for me when I read his review of The Elephant Man. There's just so much going on in that film that seems to have completely gone over his head.
I just can't get behind a critic who misses the point of a film and just assumes that, because he didn't get it, there must not be one.
I guess it was easier to dismiss the film like this before we had the rest of David Lynch's work to put it in context, but the review just comes off as ignorant more than insightful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said video games could never be art.
BarefootBluegrass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Howard Stern got into an argument with a critic shortly after his movie "Private Parts" came out. Upon arguing, the critic admitted she never saw the film. Her claims were that she didn't need to because Howard Stern only does filth. Really made me think how biased some critics are.
PunkRockMakesMeSmile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reading Roger Ebert made me a substantially better person. He taught me compassion, he taught me how to interpret art, he taught me how to learn. He has done more for me than any other individual, including personal relations
DarkMarxSoul ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bizarre how someone so lauded could have such a profound stick up his ass with regard to the status of video games as art.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:24:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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SeekingTheRoad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:50:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Zod's snapped neck
SolracM ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:03:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to
KanjiklubZod's snapped neck.naynaythewonderhorse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roger Ebert was also super fascinated With Ratatouille as well, and gave it 4/4 Stars. Particularly applauding itโs approach to criticism.
VeryLargeTardigrade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TITS!
Bluest_waters ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fuck yeah!
what a wild fucking movie. Truly they do not make them like that anymore
and the TITS! oh my the breasts in the movie....
FrustratedRevsFan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just Russ Meyer being Russ Meyer. The man did like him some boobies.
jetmanfortytwo ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the big directors of the French New Wave were former critics, including Francois Truffaut and Jean-Luc Godard.
HannibalHamlinsanity ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:42:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Godard, Truffaut, and Eisensteinโ three of the greatest directors everโwere film critics.
gabriel1313 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:58:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oscar Wilde was a critic before he wrote The Picture of Dorian Gray
ennnuix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:11:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truffaut got banned from Cannes for being too critical of the festival in 1958.
He won the grand prize (Palm d'Or) in 1959 with 400 Blows.
I always found that quite insane.
Snakeoilsage ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:14:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
It becomes easier over time, as the critic dwells more and more on the negative and allow themselves to become jaded or numb to it. I see it all the time in internet critics who earn notoriety for being bombastic or hyperbolic in their negative criticism, only to steadily lose credibility as they either burnout on their own bile-spewing or their capacity to appreciate or even notice positive aspects of content diminishes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know why, but I thought of Andy Greenwald.
Snakeoilsage ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:56:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking of channels like CinemaSins, RedLetterMedia and the Nostalgia Critic.
HeyzeusGodofThunder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:28:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say redlettermedia, while often giving negative reviews, still isn't afraid to say they liked something even if it goes against the general public. I definitely wouldn't lump them in with nostalgia critic or cinema sins
Snakeoilsage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When something sparks Mike Stoklasa's black heart, it's delightful to see. That said, he hated Thor Ragnarok because someone in the theater had a cold, so he's not always on the ball when it comes to being a critic with clout. They would argue that they don't care, which they don't, but other people need to be aware that they don't care.
Sledgerock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, cinema sins has no pretensions of actually being a review or critique, but rather poking fun of inconsistency in movies
Snakeoilsage ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:59:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They certainly started that way, and it's why I enjoyed it. But then I started to see more and more inaccuracies in their "sins." They would ignore aspects of the movie just to give it a sin, or would make something up completely. The creator has insisted it's solely for entertainment these days, but I see the same inconsistencies in his actual reviews where he's driving around in his SUV voicing his opinion.
CryptidGrimnoir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and I also don't think it's fair to group it in with the Nostalgia Critic either.
The Nostalgia Critic is a live-action cartoon character that Doug Walker played--and the reviews have improved in quality dramatically over the years.
In any case, at the heart of the Critic's character was "just because it was made for kids, doesn't excuse bad quality," so I have some respect for the idea.
Snakeoilsage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. I'm just disappointed that his show has become so much more about skits. I admit though, he's never been a reviewer much, per se. He mostly just explains the film and points out some odd or hilarious moments.
EveryoneYouLove23 ยท 248 points ยท Posted at 16:10:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Birdman did this wonderfully :) art for the sake of art- or art for the sake of others people's admiration? You can never please everybody, but as long as you stay true to yourself, you're on the right path!
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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raulduke05 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:05:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm curious about this reply. you reference ratatouille and the incredibles replying to a comment about birdman. i think the commenter was talking about birdman the 2014 movie, but i think you took that as brad bird, who wrote and directed ratatouille and the incredibles. which is funny, but then you post a random video of a beach resort?
In_nomine_Patris ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:46:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you format it like that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:53 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did... you... get... that... thing... I sent you?
reenact12321 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Harvey Birdman!
boopdelaboop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the movie Birdman. Harvey Birdman attorney at law was a tv show. Michael Keaton (for instance known as Batman among many other characters) playing a guy who used to play the fictional superhero Birdman.
...Fun fact: he later played a super villain named The Vulture. (The Vulture, not Vulturo)
Flashman420 ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 16:21:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
IDK, I feel like too many people ignore the fact that criticism is its own sort of pursuit that combines different skills, namely writing and analytical ones. There's all sorts of different types of criticism. You've got generic populist reviews, really lengthy and in-depth scholarly and academic criticism, short, punchy reviews from critics like Pauline Kael, Ebert style reviews that straddle a middle ground, etc, etc. Some people even consider it its own art form.
The whole "critics don't make anything they just hate" is just an empty platitude meant to make the GP feel better about themselves IMO. And in the film, Anton spells out his epiphany in the form of a review. It's actually kind of interesting. He sort of discredits his own position in a way that validates its worth at the same time.
[deleted] ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:40:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's not saying "critics just hate". He's saying it's easy to forget that in the grand scheme of things, a negative critique of a bad piece of art is probably less meaningful than a bad piece of art.
Flashman420 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty evident from the comments around it that people pretty much always take it to a "critics just hate" place though. Like the person I'm replying to straight up said
They're directly making the "It's easy to critique but have any critics actually created" argument.
BeowulfShaeffer ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 16:35:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good criticism is indeed an art form. I particularly like criticism in the style of the New Yorker where a work (or set of works) as used as a springboard to talk about culture more generally.
And though it's not universally loved I'd argue that the [in]famous Red Letter Phantom Menace review eclipsed the film it was reviewing and is the better, more meaningful creative work.
debacol ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:30:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its the only thing plinkett has done that was entertaining and useful. I dont find his movie review program good at all.
DannoHung ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:38:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think all three of the prequel critiques were overall pretty good and they spent a lot of time explaining why the films didn't work. It helped teach the language of film to the viewer while explaining what didn't work in those films and also what did work in other films.
It's obvious that Mike doesn't have the time or energy to do the same thing in the other Plinkett reviews. And obviously Half in the Bag is just a "review" show in the style of "At the Movies", so if you tend to have similar taste as Mike or Jay, then you'll find that useful or not as consumer advice. Mike does seem extra jaded lately though.
radios_appear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The newer Star Wars movies hit him pretty hard, I think.
wingzero00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's just he isn't interested in any new blockbusters whether it's marvel or anything
livefreeordont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
he liked Spider Man and Thor 3 (would have liked it more if it was more about hijinks on planet Hulk) and he thought Guardians 2 was better than Guardians 1
TheCatcherOfThePie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
They are a strange mix of completely serious film review and facetious remarks with no impact on the series. I genuinely learned a lot about e.g. shot composition and such from RLM, but some of the prequel "fixing" is clearly satire .
BeowulfShaeffer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. His other stuff is wayyy weaker. I think they do have a lot of insight but I am often annoyed at how they present it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've liked Confused Matthew's movie takedowns much more than Red Letter's. He actually goes into the philosophy that movies use and examines their flaws. He has a tiny following, though, and I think took a long break for a few years.
ICE__CREAM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason the universe allowed TPM to happen was so that the Plinkett review could exist.
HannibalHamlinsanity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Zadie Smith Get Out review is so good for that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason they freaking titans. Some of the best criticism (though, some blunders too) comes from The New Yorker.
Viperbunny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is criticism that looks at a piece and adds to it. It celebrates the imperfections and the perfection. It all depends on what the critic's goal and audience is.
Nessius ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gary Whitta was a PC Gamer writer. Wrote Book of Eli and Rouge One. Many, many Videogame writers and creators came from the critic circles. It make sense that rarely the 1% critics cross over as they have firmly established careers but being a critic as a stepping stone to art and using that time to really learn the intricacies of the craft and learn how to separate opinion from quality-among other skills- isnโt that unusual. Source: was my career path, watched my colleagues spread all over entertainment.
[deleted] ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 16:53:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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decisive_squirrel ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:10:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he's red in the face now.
dasher11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a typo. It's people not knowing the word or how to spell.
Nessius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am mortyfied.
Aurailious ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At what point should we just change the spelling of the word?
DextrosKnight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
None, because "Rouge" and "Rogue" are literally two vastly different things.
Aurailious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
None? Literally?
DextrosKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Question marks?
abe559 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, it's auto-correct half the time, and the other half is people who genuinely don't care.
cwew ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I started reading PC Gamer when he was editor in chief. I was shocked and so proud at the end of Rogue One when I saw his name!
HannibalHamlinsanity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rogue One felt so much like I was watching a video game. Now it all makes sense!
Hipstershy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Wait, Gary wrote Rogue One?? You're fucking with me. No way.
Edit: I looked it up. Holy shit. I remember him all the way back from when he wrote about nerdy games with Logan Decker and Dan Stapleton. And now he's written a Star Wars Movie? Life is fucking weird.
maninblueshirt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:36:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The dropping of the pen is to me one of thw best pixar movie scenes
frogandbanjo ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:40:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's echoing a cheap sentiment that doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. Art is criticism and criticism is art. You're creating something either way, and it's virtually unheard-of for a piece of art to not be commenting, however obliquely, on something (or many things) the artist has absorbed up to that point - which includes both "art" and "criticism," if you still insist on dividing the two.
Generally speaking, a broadside assault on criticism is a convenient out for both overly-sensitive artists and crass commercialists who don't want any shred of shame (or taste) to stop people from buying more shit. In fields where form and function overlap, it's also become a dangerously powerful dodge for liability when the mechanical aspects don't work properly. Video games, I'm looking at you - but it's been true ever since somebody got the idea to make a designer car or even a designer piece of furniture. There's no law that says you can't make and sell something that looks like a couch, but can't be used as a couch. But if you sell it as a couch and it collapses into a heap of sharp wood and nails when somebody sits on it... well, the first thing to do is, delegitimize the critics!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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frogandbanjo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:34 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...so, uh, you don't have any sense that artists sometimes generate "traditional art" (for want of a better term, given my position) to serve as a critique of another piece of art?
Have you not heard of parody? Or satire, as applied specifically to a work of art?
Pulling it back more generally... don't you think it's a little strange that you're implying that "traditional art" manages to critique and comment upon literally everything except "ONE particular work of art?" Doesn't that seem like an absolutely absurd limitation to claim?
ialwaysforgetmename ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truffaut made some amazing movies.
wobbysobby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably quite a few, but their great work usually eclipses their critiques. Edgar Allen Poe was a well-known literary critic before being published. A lesser known one is David Thomas from cult band Pere Ubu - he was a local music critic before getting his band started. Sometimes it helps to be analytical about otherโs art so you can find what you want to do with your own art.
UlyssesKlaw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think its less about the critic being able to write a film and more about the value of a critics opinion. Critics have tremendous power but will spend most of their time saying something is average. Its only in those special moments, where they can play off something unique and special, that will give them genuine meaning. The life of a critic is a strange one.
elmatador12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking recently, I believe C. Robert Cargill was a critic at Ainโt it cool news before writing Sinister and Doctor Strange.
Rotten tomatoes rankings:
Sinister - 63% Doctor Strange - 90%
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Many French filmmakers from the 1960s such as Jean-Luc Godard and Andrรฉ Bazin started out as film critics that were fed up with cookie cutter filmmaking and decided to get real weird with it. Without them, films like Pulp Fiction and Memento wouldn't exist.
TheGreatZiegfeld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Much of the French New Wave was made up of critics turned filmmakers, and a bunch of those films are regarded as among the greatest of all time. The 400 Blows and Breathless are among the most recognizable of the bunch. There was even a documentary made about Francois Truffaut and Alfred Hitchcock's relationship.
ElegantTobacco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't throw a football to save my life but I know a bad play when I see one.
callmelightningjunio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
James Agee wrote the screenplays for The African Queen (1951) and The Night of the Hunter (1955).
quickflint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Space cop is a masterpiece
Rydisx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it gets lost on the idea people always state, "then you do it better".
We dont need to create something ourselves, or do it better to be able to judge something of value. We can still comprehended, understand and discern things with having the ability to actually create it. If that was the case, art wouldn't even be something we celebrate.
chunga_95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โ[I]t's an amazing triumph even to make a bad movie. Even a crap film is really an extraordinary achievement. You're taking a two-dimensional object and making it three-dimensional. The number of people. The number of days. The number of cuts.โ -Bill Murray
Always loved that quote from him. And still makes me reconsider how sometimes I like a movie even though the critical or popular opinion doesn't agree with me. And Waterworld.
JackingOffToTragedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People who have hobbies in which they make things are generally much more satisfied with life. Making music, making art, making food. If you push yourself to create something, and you love it, you'll be happy.
thoughts-from-alex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Charlie Brooke's springs to mind - longtime video game/TV/Film critic and culture writer with the Guardian, now best known as the creator of Black Mirror
NYPD-BLUE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm glad you asked. Luca Guadagnino was a film critic and he just made one of the finest films ever made โ Call Me By Your Name.
SoulKibble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It speaks to me as well. When you've practiced drawing for many years you tend to be more negative to your own work since you see so many flaws and ways you could have done better. But then I began to see more clearly the flaws in other great artist's works be it slight asymmetry in a cartoon character or odd angles; that's when I realized that there will always be flaws in your work and there will always be ways to improve them, and what matters most is how much you have improved over time.
jnazario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is one of the themes of this speech by teddy roosevelt that led to its most central, lasting quote, the man in the arena. http://mentalfloss.com/article/63389/roosevelts-man-arena
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me, the point is really that the critic exists purely because of the art. The critic is very much secondary to it, a by-product. And you have to remember that critics do what they do out of passion for that art form. I don't think the line is supposed to "deconstruct" or "refute" criticism in general, because it's still an important part of art...I mean any time you have a reaction to or enjoy a work of art you are yourself engaging in criticism. It's supposed to illustrate the fact that criticism is beholden to the art, because that's what comes first and foremost.
ImSoBasic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Francois Truffaut was a prominent critic who was frequently challenged to put his money where his mouth was and make a film. His debut, The 400 Blows, is a seminal work in the French New Wave.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_400_Blows
AntmanIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I stopped watching CinemaSins. They donโt seem to add anything of value (and half the time theyโre completely wrong anyway).
jcy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i once saw a t-shirt that said:
SMART
CRITIQUES
STUPID
CREATES
sorry about the formatting, it doesn't make much sense as a 4 word phrase with no punctuation
tsuwraith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory: It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Theodore Roosevelt
jamesdavidms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Charlie Brooker was vilified for a short while, for his criticism of TV, and people said he had no right to be so harsh when he'd never made anything. In response he wrote and made Black Mirror.
filmicsite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote an article by using his quote to "help the new" a little unnoticed yet innovative movie was made and I had to tell people about it. Only a couple hundred ever read that post in the end. But I like to believe if even a couple of them watched the movie because of it. My task was successful.
LAND0KARDASHIAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Roger Ebert wrote โBeneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens,โ so thatโs a big yes!
Breadhook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I quite liked Space Cop by Red Letter Media.
BrainCluster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith cross my mind
W__O__P__R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that line speaks volumes about the internet and the multitude of forums (and subreddits) filled with people picking apart and criticising TV shows, movies, games, and all other forms of culture. The very thing that's being criticised, be it a AAA game or some amateur musician's youtube channel, is worth more than the sum of criticism levelled at it. Those contributions to culture have meaning, depth and value. The criticisms contribute very little actual worth.
I'm guilty of it too. We're so quick to criticise (or just be critical) but we make nothing new and original of our own. The line you referenced is absurdly humbling when you think about it.
Whateverbro30000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Francois Truffaut was a film critic before he began making movies
5mileyFaceInkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kickassia is the greatest movie of all time dude.
BootlegPerception ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:22 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well Francois Truffaut was generally adored by the general public and critics alike, and he started out as a prolific film critic
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This comment sucks.
LookMaNoPride ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 16:11:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The scene before that where he is transported back to his youth by the smells and tastes... that always gets me.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:47:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After all this time?
Alwa-
Woops wrong movie
nurburg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if anyone will be able to answer this but... That's an amazing scene and years later I read about proust and his story of the madaleine. I'm absolutely convinced that the scene from Ratatouille is an homage to proust.
No sooner had the warm liquid mixed with the crumbs touched my palate than a shudder ran through me and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary thing that was happening to me. An exquisite pleasure had invaded my senses, something isolated, detached, with no suggestion of its origin. And at once the vicissitudes of life had become indifferent to me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusory โ this new sensation having had on me the effect which love has of filling me with a precious essence; or rather this essence was not in me it was me. ... Whence did it come? What did it mean? How could I seize and apprehend it? ... And suddenly the memory revealed itself. The taste was that of the little piece of madeleine which on Sunday mornings at Combray (because on those mornings I did not go out before mass), when I went to say good morning to her in her bedroom, my aunt Lรฉonie used to give me, dipping it first in her own cup of tea or tisane. The sight of the little madeleine had recalled nothing to my mind before I tasted it. And all from my cup of tea. โโMarcel Proust, In Search of Lost Time
peanutz456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:26:03 on March 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
26 days old comment but important enough for me to write. That scenes is my favorite moment from the movie, when I eat really good food, I call it my Ratatouille moment.
LookMaNoPride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:41 on March 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does it happen with food a lot? It mostly just happens with smells for me. It also happens with food, but much less than smells.
MooseClobbler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:38 on July 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When placing the order, he demands to be served some perspective by the chef.
Choppergold ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 16:44:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best art criticism essays ever. And kids got to hear it. Pixar is unbelievable, needs to be said. Those people sitting around in one meeting and sketching so many of those movies, is insane
SuperSulf ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:58:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just saw Coco a few days ago. I was blown away by multiple parts of the movie. Pixar has always been amazing, and I hope they continue to consistently make good movies
LevynX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:19:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think kids understood that speech. I know I didn't when I watched it as a kid. It took me rewatches as an adult to understand what that essay was about.
LLAMAking40 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Omg that gave me chills. I hear his voice so clearly in my head
OuterInnerMonologue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:02:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Sitting in the dentist waiting room with the hairs on the back of my neck standing up. His voice sells it so well.
[deleted] ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I owe my love of cooking (and the impetus to learn how to do so) to this movie and this dialogue.
Am I the best cook? No. Not even professionally trained. I'm more of a "hobbyist chef", if such a thing were to exist. However, the movie convinced me to get out of my comfort zone of microwave meals and boxed dinners. It showed me that improvising can save a failed recipe, or forge a new one altogether. With this knowledge, it quashed the fear of failure that lurked in my heart at the precipice of the unknown.
Years after the movie, I am still trying new techniques and concepts. Not necessarily molecular gastronomy, but rather an independent pursuit and honing of skills those who are classically/traditionally trained possess. And now, I do it not alone, but with the person I've declared to spend the rest of my life with. Through baby steps we are ever learning and sharing our knowledge with loved ones through family gatherings, social events, and hosted dinner parties. Who knows where this path will lead, whether we keep it as a hidden gem of a talent only those who know us get to experience, or if we continue our expansion and attempt to pursue a livelihood doing what is slowly becoming natural to us.
And all of this, I owe to a movie about a rat and the bastard son of a chef in Paris.
peanutz456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:51 on March 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are me, except I alone share my love for cooking, and have no one to share it with. But the movie inspires me so much, I am thinking about it when I try to save a dish, or trying a new adventure in cooking. In those cooking moments that I love, I am thinking about a rat.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:51:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
:')
ArthurBea ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:51:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He talks about one of the best distinctions in talent. Itโs not that everybody can have talent, but talent can come from anywhere. You donโt need a pedigree to be talented. But you never know your talents unless you try them out. Donโt disregard potential talent because it doesnโt look like the talented people you have become accustomed to. Be open to talent. You may be pleasantly surprised.
If youโve ever been suddenly struck by some form of art but never expected it, whether a piece for music from a genre you hipster-hated, food from a cuisine you disregard as wierd, a painting or sculpture from some art style you think is pretentious, or a movie from a genre you think is dull, then you understand where Anton Ego is coming from.
TheCatcherOfThePie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that a far more important lesson for 99.9% of people is "don't be afraid of passion despite lack of raw talent". A genius cook is a very rare thing, but everyone can benefit from a slight boost of confidence, even if they'll never be a Gordon Ramsay or Raymond Blanc.
doctordestiny ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:23:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The whole scene gives me such Frisson: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kuyUKdJccgM
teky-gaming ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:14:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I'm having goosebumps reading this, literally, chicken skin man... I forgot how awesome this movie is, and now that I'm getting more and more onto that world (cooking, not movies, lol) I think I deserve a re-watch...
kmerian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Pixar film, and this probably one of the best pieces of writing in any movie, anytime. Outstanding.
CitrusCBR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What floors me is that this is in an animated family movie. It's one of the most thought provoking monologues in any film and it came out of a movie about a rat that can cook. I wish I could have been there when they were story-boarding this and read through that part of the script for the first time. I wonder if they just sat back, looking at each other with a sparkle in every eye realizing, we've got something magical here.
DJRIPPED ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not crying you're crying
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember I recited that review in a public speaking contest in my middle school. Those were the days. Ratatouille will always be one of my favorite movies. I'm 20 and still get emotional every time I see it (well over 50 times probably).
Hell_Hath_No_Brewery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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spicyNesss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IMHO, this a beautiful passage. I think a lot of folks can really relate to what's being said here. I know it resonates with me! The writers and creators over at Pixar are undeniably talented, and have proven it again and again.
MC_Fap_Commander ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They should have finally given Peter O'Toole the Oscar for his nuanced performance of those lines. Probably also helps that he had a love/hate (and mostly hate) relationship with critics.
bucki_fan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I may be reading too much into this, but isn't this also the crux of
notcaffeinefree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's generally a good point for a lot of things in real life as well (as other comments have pointed out).
shylocxs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually write real, published art criticism. This speech always resonated with me, in a really positive way. People are misreading this amazing statement as if it means criticism is just finding fault in things, which it's not. Instead, criticism means to critically engage with an aesthetic experience, and sometimes to realize when a new paradigm is in front of you that challenges all of your preconceptions. Sometimes the point of criticism is to say how awesome something is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a restaurant owner, this resonates with me
QueenDunedain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I read it with his voice.
tickingboxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great monologue, but I completely disagree with the dull view it takes on criticism and critics. Criticism is, itself, an art form. And the very best criticism stands alongside the greatest works it criticizes. In fact, criticism often surpasses the artistic merit of its subject.
Werpaf ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:18:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone gold this
[deleted] ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could listen to Peter O'Toole talk about anything, tbf. But that monologue is just sublime.
Both he and Anthony Hopkins have (had, RIP Peter) voices that make you stop and listen
Zuwxiv ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:36:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, that was Peter O'Toole? I didn't even know.
What a wonderful actor he was. Always hated how he went 0/8 for academy awards.
unknownpoltroon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, I thought i was random european dude.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:47:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, that was O'Toole. I always thought the monologue was delivered so goddamn well. Thought it was gonna be the peak of that voice actors career.
gpm21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget James Mason. He made Thunderbird bum wine sound delicious
trancematik ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:41 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't agree more!
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 495 points ยท Posted at 15:09:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a strangely adult movie at times. I know Pixar can get deep but this was a whole new level
[deleted] ยท 365 points ยท Posted at 16:39:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pixar movies turning Adult for a moment are their best moments.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 17:04:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In The Incredibles, when Helen tells the kids it's not like a Saturday morning cartoon, it really set a mood
bungopony ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 18:25:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And her piloting that plane being targeted. Apparently her radio comments are pretty accurate to what you'd say in that situation.
EmperorBulbax ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:38:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โLetโs send them a little greeting.โ
LevynX ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:36:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That moment when she yelled that there are children aboard and the shot cut to Bob's reaction was so powerful. I need to go hug my mom.
matty80 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 19:11:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
The scene with her piloting the plane is the definition of adult fears. It's something I doubt any child would really understand beyond "DANGEROUS SITUATION, LET'S SEE HOW OUR HEROES EMERGE SAFELY!"
Meanwhile, says the mother:
It's genuinely horrifying.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:14:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly she kept her cool, it was Bob that was scary in that scene. They animated his fear and loss so perfectly
KingGorilla ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 18:25:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Syndrome as a villain gets too real sometimes
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:07:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's the reason my dad loves that movie. His whole motive of making everyone normal by giving everyone powers really was cool
tonyp2121 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:49:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still dont get how hes a bad guy, like his whole evil plan is "I'm going to give everyone super powers" how is that evil?
prohibido ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 18:51:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gee, I don't know. Killing all super heroes, perhaps?
KingGorilla ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also wanting to send a giant robot to wreak havoc on a city so he could sell weapons to people.
enjaydee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He had to test his robot somehow
Argosy37 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:59:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. The end never justifies the means.
KingGorilla ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:42:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes the end justifies the means. Not in this case
Argosy37 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:55:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. The ends never justifies the means. That's an absolute.
KingGorilla ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:01:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta have a broader definition of means. I think getting poked by a needle is justified because of vaccinations.
Argosy37 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:22:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but the benefits of vaccination aren't enough to justify involuntarily injecting someone against their will.
"Means" usually means something that would otherwise be considered immoral. Being voluntary precludes that.
KingGorilla ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:25:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok a dog or baby
Argosy37 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:32:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now you're getting into the territory of someone under a guardian's protection, because they haven't reached the age of adulthood. Does the end justify the means for children? Perhaps, but they don't necessarily understand means in the first place. Giving a child a shot is no more involuntary than removing a child from playing in the street is involuntary.
KingGorilla ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:45:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with your definition of means
MidnightCereal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:09:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The end result is acceptable when compared to the means of getting to the end result. We shorten it to โthe end justifies the meansโ or sometimes โthe end doesnโt justify the means.โ
If โthe endโ where eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. โMeansโ that would justify that โendโ would be: I got a job, made some money, took some of my money to the store, bought ingredients, came home and prepared a peanut butter and jelly. Another acceptable โmeansโ would be asking someone for their peanut butter and jelly and they give you unpressured consent to eat it.
There is a gray area where โmeansโ could be debated. If someone was hungry and although they were capable of work but unable to get a job and they went to store and stole only ingredients to feed their family, fed their family, and with the last heel of bread, the last drop of jelly, and the last smear of peanut butter made a half sandwich and ate it themselves. Some would say the end was justified, some would say it was not.
However, if I took a gun went to an employee lunch room shot people and grabbed a peanut butter and jelly and ate it. No one would say the means justify the end. Peanut butter and jelly although supreme in the sandwich world , is not worth a single human life.
TLDR: only the sith deal in absolutes
enjaydee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm in a remote area with no cellphone coverage and my buddy gets seriously hurt. You bet I'm going to break the speed limit to get him to hospital.
If I'm in a burning building ans can't safely make it to any of the exits, I'm going to "vandalize" the building by smashing a window to get out.
It is definitely not an absolute
tonyp2121 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:00:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Sure thats evil but at the end of the movie his whole plan revolved around giving everyone super powers, not killing supers that was just a means to an end. I'm not saying thats right but killing 20 people and giving everyone superpowers doesnt seem wholly evil.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:27:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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PM_ME_YOUR_ANYTHNG ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:52:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And also profit
LiquidAether ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not the end justifies the means is something that has been debated for centuries.
Viperbunny ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:58:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His goal was to make superheroes completely normal because being unique makes them special. Syndrome had a chip on his shoulder for not being special enough. So he murders and steals the powers of those he failed to impress in his youth. He wants the chaos that will erupt when people who have no way to handle new problems. He gets rich to from cleaning up the mess he created.
Worthyness ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:59:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sad part is, he legit could have been a superhero if he wanted to. His super power was being incredibly smart. He could have been ironman! But he decided that because Mr incredible was a dick, he had to become a super villain instead.
tonyp2121 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just feel like thats not such a problem. "Oh now everyone can be super fast oh no now I'm not special :( "
I mean the murders is evil sure but giving everyone powers doesnt seem evil.
Viperbunny ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:08:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It does when you realize the pure chaos it will cause. We are talking about people with every day issues using powers beyond their control. Not to mention the government trying to get the best power for them, causing other governments to want I and you you a MADD situation forming.
red-bot ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:24:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Bob comes home and gets into an argument with Helen really hit home for me. It's a family movie, and families aren't always happy. It reminded me of the few times just before my parents' divorce where they yelled at each other late at night when they thought the kids were asleep.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:12:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The family aspects are what made that movie memorable
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was considerate of them. My parents yelled at each other any time the mood took them. Completely destroyed my sense of family.
droidtron ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:19:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I KNOW WHAT I SAID! LISTEN TO WHAT I AM SAYING NOW!
CaptainSprinklefuck ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:57:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it makes for a better movie, but I would've loved to see the kids actually scared. Dash slips into his place as a hero right away, but I don't see Violet handling the situation that well.
Adhiboy ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Violet freaks the fuck out when Elastigirl begs her to make a force field and she can't do it. The talk on the island afterwards between them is quite touching. How often do you see mother/daughter moments in superhero films? Not to mention action films.
pbjamm ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:04:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That whole sequence makes me cry every time I watch it. It is so perfectly executed and real.
Helen switching into work/Elastigirl mode and snaping orders at the 'team' but they have no idea what to do or what kind of real danger they are in. Everyone becoming more desperate and panicked until Helen switches back to Mom mode and makes a desperate attempt to save them. It is beautiful.
Bob shouting at Helen
"I can't lose you again! I'm not strong enough..." also gets me every time.
GodofIrony ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:22:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Incredibles is one of the darkest Pixar movies, and it's why it's one of my favorites.
ceedubs2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:36:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me, it's when Bob thinks they've been killed in the plane crash, and he's just silently weeping.
GodofIrony ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:23:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could crush her. Like breaking a toothpick
JTtornado ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And most of them have that moment at least once, but some really shine in this regard. Some of their movies made really brave decisions when it came to the depth and execution of the characters and plot development - Ratatouille for taking such a ridiculous concept and making it work, Up for tackling a heavy subjects like death and aging, Wall-E for having a main character who barely talks, and Inside Out for well... the whole film.
Seriously, who goes to make a film, sits down and says "let's make a children's film set from the perspective of the inside of a kid's head, and make it about how growing up is both hard but ultimately good, with the moral of the film being that it's ok to be sad." ...and then freaking makes that film, and it's awesome. I've never seen another filmmaker try to do anything nearly that challenging, much less do it so well. They take concepts that adults have a hard time explaining and break it down so kids can understand it and relate to it.
Ironically, one of the least brave stories they've done IMO is Brave.
evilcheesypoof ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:24:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brave is definitely one of their weakest films, itโs basically โIโm a rebellious teenager, oh no I made Mom a bear, oops, sorry about that whole bear thing Iโll grow up now.โ
JTtornado ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:17:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It's seems being stuck in production forever did not help it, just like the Good Dinosaur.
Brave had a very Disney feel to it overall, despite the director insisting it would be a powerful social statement. Merida not wanting to marry one of the guys was selfish from the perspective of her parents and obvious from her perspective, considering how dopey her options were. As much as it pains me to say this, The Princess Diaries 2 did a better job of that plot than Brave did. The real story was about Merida's relationship with her mother, but it ended up being muddied up by all of the trivial subplots.
TheOuts1der ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt love it but it was more than that, imo. It took a direct hit at second wave feminism, which violently eschews girliness in favor of more masculine pursuits. It attempted to show that real power can be had in femininity. (The scene that comes to mind is when the queen walks into a room and instantly commands respect and stillness.) Not to mention all the requisite family, self-belief, and empowerment themes. Was it muddled? Certainly. Was it one dimensional? Id argue, no.
KlamDaKunt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:59 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Released same year as Wreck-It Ralph, which is a film that feels genuinely more like Pixar than it does Disney (I know the companies are linked, they just don't produce the same content)(also know this has been said a million times)
Just wanna give Wreck-It Ralph a shoutout. What an amazing movie, especially for Disney standards
EddieAnderson ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:20:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brave is STRAIGHT dogshit.
It blows my mind that people think Cars 2 is Pixar's worst outing. At least it was vaguely original or interesting. Brave isn't bad but it might actually be the most BORING movie I can name. It's like watching paint dry. It's like eating plain oatmeal. It's like waiting in line at the post office. It adds nothing to any conversation, nobody really wants to hear about it.
I'm still sore that I paid money for a ticket to that movie.
Rayne37 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:17:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The best part of Brave, straight up, is just its opening song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA9nZrhFo4U I have only seen the movie once, never plan to see it again, but that song has stayed on my 'focus and get shit done' music list for years.
Iamchinesedotcom ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:34:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTM-AdrIpaE
GhostRobot55 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:36:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched Coco where Hector sings a booby song and shares a shot of tequila with the old dying guy. Spot on.
QueenAlpaca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know technically not just Pixar, but Meet the Robinsons probably hit me the hardest. "Keep moving forward" and all that. It actually helped me out in college while I dealt with anxiety and some personal problems. Dwelling on things helps no one.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't really say that they "turn adult." I'd say that most of their great movies can be seen almost entirely from an adult perspective. All of Toy Story 2 is about Woody struggling with mortality and whether or not it is better to live a long life without happiness or to life a short and happy life. All of Finding Nemo is about the fear of losing your child. Ratatouille is about accepting and encouraging new artists. WALL-E is about environmentalism. Inside Out is about learning that sadness is important to our lives and that we can't always be happy. Coco is about how one balances their cultural traditions with their individual dreams. Even Cars has the relatively deep theme of people not being able to appreciate the world until the slow down and take a look at it. Pixar movies don't just turn adult for a moment. They just can be seen as both kids movies and adult movies.
ThisIsntGoldWorthy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cars 3 bro
Adhiboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Bob thinks the missiles got his family :(
Bobby_Marks2 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The other side of that coin are the deleted scenes from cars. Really dark.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:07:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see them, what were they?
Twinkie4sho ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 17:39:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here they are. There are 2 scenes that are disturbing. One is where lightning gets lost and makes his way into a junkyard of abandoned cars. The really disturbing one, starting at 5:37, is a different version of the scene where he paves the road. In the deleted version, instead of just hooking him up to a paver, they secretly transplant his engine into a paver. Then they put mater's engine in Lightning's body. He goes on to the race instead of lightning, while treating him like a prisoner.
mom0nga ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 18:03:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Zootopia (which is Disney, not Pixar) was really disturbing in its early stages too. The original premise was that all predators are legally required to wear a "tame collar" that shocks them when they feel strong emotions. The collars didn't actually make Zootopia safer, they just made the prey "feel better." This version was scrapped when the directors realized they created a dystopian hellscape that wasn't fun to visit.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:15:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do think we need a depressing-as-hell animated movie to be released for older audiences by Disney or Pixar. It would be an interesting world to see what kind of world they can make and what they can pull from it.
TwilightVulpine ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:35:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think adult media is doing a great work of depicting depressing-as-hell scenarios by itself, between Black Mirror, Game of Thrones and the like. If anything, I think adult media lacks hope. Everyone is too concerned in taking whimsical dreams apart but not as much in what can still be done.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A show could be 80% fulfilled hopes and 20% dashed hopes and still be a very depressing-as-hell scenario. Just in the face of the 20% the 80% seems like it doesn't matter as much.
Rowsdower11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bet a show with 20% fulfilled hopes and 80% dashed would actually come off as more hopeful.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we do. They've both spent decades with the premise that "we can make you feel really hard, but we're not going to harm you". Even a very nihilistic much less depressing movie would at the very least fracture their audience and ruin a lot of trust.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would be better for our society if they released that. Measures that hurt society but make you feel safe are a big problem. It might have been an interesting take on that film.
Still loved Zootopia though.
kjm1123490 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thats a young adult concept at the earliest. My 5 year old brother loves zootopia and while hes smart, im not sure he could handle that kind of concept. Thats dark, even if true. Like school shootings, not a concept for 5 year olds to worry about even if its realistic.
Deesing82 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus....
ThreeEyedCrow1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Zootopia is pretty dark as-is, if you ask me. The whole thing is a weirdly specific parallel to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s, right down to it being a conspiracy designed to put the "predators" in their place. The argument for the "law and order" candidates back then was that black communities were savage wastelands because of crack, and the police response needed to be ramped up. Compare that to Zootopia, where the "prey" in power is making predators "go savage" by spraying them with chemicals?
Idk, I bring this up every time people talk about Zootopia, but that movie felt really morally icky to me.
TheThetaDragon98 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You said "Zootopia... felt morally icky" to you.
Is it sending a bad or garbled message, in your opinion?
ThreeEyedCrow1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Garbled, for sure. I think their heart's in the right place, but I can imagine two very different sets of people seeing the movie and having their beliefs reaffirmed.
"See, Billy? We're not so different after all, the things that divide us are superficial."
"See, Billy? Black people really are animals who are just repressing their savage nature."
Obviously I don't think that was the intent, but a) it's a topic that needs more nuance than a 90-minute children's movie can provide, and b) the plot they went with too closely mirrors a real-world historical event that was used to justify racist accelerationist policy.
bearflies ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:35:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's garbled only because there's like 30 different messages you can take out of it which all really boil down to the idea of "anyone can be anything." Judy lays it out word for word at the end of the movie.
Judy is discriminated against because she's not seen as being physically capable of the same job as larger animals -> Judy ends up being the most capable person at her job. Lesson: Don't discriminate -> anyone can be anything.
Nick is shady, but with a heart of gold, and later it's revealed he's that way because society only saw him as a predator so he decided to only watch out for #1, since no one wanted to watch out for him. Judy watches out for him -> Nick joins the police force -> finds purpose in helping others besides himself. Lesson: What you see on the outside isn't an accurate reflection of what's inside -> anyone can be anything.
Judy spends most of the movie believing herself to be a super cop who is immune to the same discrimination she's faced all her life -> Judy meets Nick -> Judy realizes she's still afraid of foxes -> Judy apologizes to Nick and not only befriends him but recruits him onto the police force. Lesson: The supercop could subconciously be racist -> The fox who sells illegal popsicles could be a cop -> anyone could be anything.
There's like a billion more examples spread through the movie too. It probably does draw parallels to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s, but it also draws parallels to every racist event in history. I remember when it first came out people were talking about how it was very obviously written in response to the string of cop killings that had happened recently.
Nope, the movie's just broad so that everyone gets it.
TheThetaDragon98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting points.
Nick said that it was pointless to try to be anything else if people think you could only be shady. The creators actually called Nick "kind" and "honorable" at that time in The Art of Zootopia, and that he was doing the only thing he thought he would be allowed to do. While he did have caring friends to help him, Judy was the one who was in position to help him get a legitimate job. I don't think Nick's personality changed so much as he stumbled into an opportunity.
Also, Judy couldn't find anything illegal about Nick's popsicles, and several fans have imagined how Nick might not actually be in tax trouble. In addition to demonstrating his honor, this avoids a horrible hypocrisy, Nick arresting people for committing crimes when he doesn't have to face any trouble for those of his own. So, you can either re-edit the movie to include jail time or a pardon, or you can imagine that he really is as law-abiding, albeit shady, as he claims.
ThreeEyedCrow1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, did not think I was gonna be doing a deep dive on the politics and message of Zootopia when I woke up this morning, but here we are, haha.
I think you're absolutely right: at least in terms of messaging, it's broad, which is partly why it doesn't work for me. I think the specific plot they chose, though, is so close to the real-life conspiracy surrounding the crack epidemic that it couldn't possibly be a coincidence. And for that reason, I think it's kind of icky.
AssaultedCracker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:59:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Itโs icky to you because you drew a bizarre parallel. The parallel is bullshit, as even the example you linked shows. You say itโs weirdly specific, but the term used there is superpredator. Is that ever mentioned in the movie? If itโs weirdly specific and is supposed to reference this quote from H Clinton, then why isnโt it that specific?
You need to step back and realize that the term predator is a term that is borrowed from the animal kingdom, in order to describe crime. Itโs not that weird that a movie thatโs literally about the animal kingdom in a big city would use the same term, or encounter similar situations as common crime scenarios.
WrenBoy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Also the predators in Zootopia were the city's elites, not its criminal element.
Edit:
Zootopia is probably the worst kids movie ever. Certainly the worst big budget animation. I can't understand how so many people like it.
AssaultedCracker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I canโt agree with your edit. I loved it. Probably because it was unique, funny, beautiful, and because my kid loved it too.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Explain, as you would to a kid, what the plot was, paying particular attention to the case the hero's were working.
Better yet, ask your kid to explain and come back to me.
AssaultedCracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously you know Iโm not gonna get my kid to come type to a stranger on the internet. So why donโt you just state what point youโre trying to illustrate here? Cause so far itโs not working.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I asked you to ask your kid.
I'm assuming that you can transcribe his response. If you like I can summarize the plot but I am curious what your kid got from it.
My opinion is that the main plot is far to complex for a child and, in order for it to make sense, it assumes that the viewer is familiar with the intricacies of representative democracy.
Usually children's films have side plots or jokes that are meant for adults. This film has an entire main plot which is surely incomprehensible for kids under 10. My kids were 3 or 4 at the time so obviously they didn't really get more from it than cute animals running around trying to be police somehow that doesn't really make sense. That's fine for that age. I assume that most 9 year olds didn't get much more out of it though. That's terrible writing.
On my way out of the movie a kid who looked about 7 or 8 asked whether the mayor was a good guy or a bad guy. His mother struggled to explain it in a way that he could understand. It should be really easy to explain a kids movie. Its for kids.
AssaultedCracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, to me the points you list seem to answer your question as to why this movie is so acclaimed, and have in fact helped me appreciate it more.
Itโs a unique and complex story. It goes far beyond the standard Disney plot, and yet it manages to tell this complex story in a way that everybody, of all ages, finds relatable and enjoyable. 3 year olds love it. 6 year olds love it. 9 year olds love it. 12 year olds l love it. Adults love it. As you say, โso many people love it.โ Itโs one of the highest grossing animations of all times, despite having a much richer, political, complex story than any other I can think of. This is an accomplishment, not a drawback. Kids stories are simple because itโs very hard to write a complex story that kids will enjoy. They enjoy this one, so any criticisms of it being too complex are invalid.
You say you assume that a 9 year old wonโt get much more out of it than a 4 year old, and your entire argument against the movie is based on this criticism. Of course, it is purely an assumption, as you acknowledge, but you donโt seem aware that a baseless assumption shouldnโt form the basis of any concrete argument. But worse than that, itโs a pretty bad assumption. Youโre not giving enough credit to child development. At 9 years old, being raised in a sheltered Christian environment, I recall reflecting on the possibility that if I was raised Muslim, I would believe the Muslim faith as fervently as I believed in Christianity at the time. 9 year olds are capable of more thought than youโre giving them credit for.
Similarly the fact that the movie sparked thought provoking discussion between an 8 year old and his mother is a credit to the movie, not a criticism. Her failure to answer is her own problem, but I want my kids engaging in critical thinking like that and asking me those questions, especially about characters and their nature. I love hearing that question about that ambiguous mayor! Far too many kids movies feature unrealistic black and white, good and bad characters. This is in contrast to the real characters that kids will encounter in real life who will be far more subtle shades of gray, including people who might do them harm. An abusive relative, for example, could otherwise come across as a โgood guyโ so the child is prone to assume that all things he does must be good. We need storytelling that is realistic and yet still magical like Zootopia.
As it happens my kid is going to finish watching this movie this afternoon, for the first time in a long time. Iโll try to get a plot synopsis from her then. Sheโs four.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ill be pretty impressed if she realises that the assistant mayor, a herbivore, wants to become mayor in a city where carnivores are the elites despite being a minority and that, in order to satisfy her ambition she concocts a diabolical plot to turn the timid herbivore majority against their carnivorous betters thus maximizing her chances in the mayoral election.
A movie doesn't need to be complicated to make children think. Kids don't know how representative democracy works. This movie is nonsensical if you don't intuitively know what the fictional city's natural voting blocks would be and how this could be exploited with an over complicated scheme.
Your daughter is just going to think the 2 main characters and the sloth were funny. The movie is badly written. The people who like it are adults not kids.
Kids like any old shit but they love movies like Finding Nemo or The Lion King or Toy Story. Those movies make sense.
AssaultedCracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Obviously. My kid talked about scenes that she liked. She liked when the bunny threw the carrot over the fence and tricked the fox into going over. She also knows what herbivores and carnivores are. Those terms arenโt mentioned in the movie but Iโm betting you just chose the terms cause you thought it made it less relatable to her. In reality she knows those terms better than predator and prey.
Kids take what the can process from a movie. My four year old enjoyed it and took what she could. Hereโs a review I found written by a ten year old:
Hereโs another:
They donโt need to know all the subtleties youโre talking about to understand the plot. They understand what they can. Do you think kids understand the patriarchal demands of mid-eastern society that demanded princess Jasmine to stay entrapped in the castle until a marriage between royalty could be arranged? They donโt need to. There are plenty of jokes in the movies you mentioned that are intended to go above the kids heads. I donโt see you complaining about those.
The funny thing here is how youโre putting the cart before the horse. Youโre saying the movie is terrible because itโs too complex so itโs โincomprehensible for kids and they wonโt love itโ but you didnโt arrive at that conclusion with any supporting evidence of kids who donโt love the movie.
Kids love this movie. My nephew and niece loved it, my kid loved it. Youโre an adult saying that kids donโt love it, without any evidence, and actually in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Itโs ridiculous.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:46 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not a subtlety, its the main plot. If you don't understand that, which no kid does, you didn't follow the main plot.
No young kid saw that no is and understood the main plot. You think its ok that no kid instance the main plot of a kids film. I don't. That's all there is to be said.
AssaultedCracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:19 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok you go keep on believing that no kid understood the plot. I guess since youโre so dim it helps you to think that kids are too.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:49 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its always weird to see someone insulting strangers for having a different opinion. Is that his you behave in real life?
As it happens you already said this:
The subtleties you were talking about were the main plot. The movie doesn't make sense without understanding that.
AssaultedCracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt insult you for having a different opinion. I insulted you for supporting your opinion with absolutely nothing, and yet sticking to it obstinately in the face of evidence and logic. You have a stupid approach to developing your opinions, which I only realized after having this discussion with you, which is why the insult only came out now and not when I encountered your opinion. See the difference?
No. You talked about understanding democracy and voting blocks and none of those things are any more integral to the plot than what I mentioned about Aladdin. I gave you examples of young children giving an understanding of the plot synopsis and you ignored those. Children do understand the movie, but you insist that they donโt, based only on your own assumptions. Youโve offered nothing to support your argument so Iโve had to conclude that the reason you assume other people wonโt understand things is because you have a low propensity for understanding things.
WrenBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:07 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is a lie on multiple levels.
1) I don't need to supply evidence that kids don't understand the subtleties of representative democracy. That isn't in dispute.
2) You have not supplied evidence that they do so I am ignoring nothing.
3) I am supporting my opinion with something. Specifically my understanding of the films plot and my awareness of the general knowledge of infants.
4) Your specific insult said I didn't understand the main plot, as I am claiming kids don't. You are lying when you say you were insulting me for high minded reasons. Of course, even ignoring this lie it would hardly be polite to insult someone just because you felt the evidence they provided was light.
Going back to your point with Aladdin, that wasn't a main plot point though, was it? The equivalent in Aladdin would have been why Jasmine could not marry Aladdin. Unless this was explained clearly in the movie it would have been unclear to a child unfamiliar with the concept of a royal bloodline and monarchies in general. That is why Aladdin, a well written movie, spent a considerable time explaining this concept in such a way that a child could understand. Get your daughter to watch the movie and ask her why Aladdin needed to pretend to be a prince. She will likely be able to reply.
Your issue is that you don't know what the main plot of Zootopia and Aladdin are and don't know or care why it is important for a child to be able to follow it.
ThreeEyedCrow1 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:06:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say the movie parallels the video I linked, I said it parallels the crack epidemic. The video is just an example of the popular thought at the time.
AssaultedCracker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know but you used the video as your one and only example of how โweirdly specificโ the parallels were to the crime epidemic, and your example wasnโt even a specific match!
ThreeEyedCrow1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The video is not an example of the parallels at all. It is literally just a video of Hillary Clinton's famous "superpredator" quote. There are no examples in my comment of parallels because obviously the idea that the CIA introduced crack into poor black communities in order to justify militarization of the police is a conspiracy theory; one that closely mirrors the plot of Zootopia. Is that better?
AssaultedCracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That, my friend, is an example. It is also โliterally just a video of Hillaryโs superpredator quoteโ but those two things are not mutually exclusive. If it were not intended to serve as an example between the situation Hillary was referencing and the language in the movie, then what place did it have in the sentence? Why did you say it? What purpose did it serve? Zero.
Letโs use your new term, closely mirrors.
The predators in the movie were in control in the past. They have a huge natural advantage over the prey. Besides some possible genetic athletic advantages, black people arenโt ever privileged in society the way predators are in the movie. Mirror skewed.
The movie clearly sets up the word โcuteโ as a word like โniggerโ which only rabbits can say to other rabbits. But rabbits arenโt predators so the black people mirror is skewed again.
The fact is that this is a movie about animals having complex socio-political interactions that imitate the urban interactions of humans. The chances that it by coincidence resembles some actual human sociopolitical occurrence far outweigh the chances the makers of the film had some bizarre morally questionable racial message they wanted to insert into a Disney with no tangible benefit.
__spice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'd really have to do a deep dive into repressing strong emotions and the impacts of doing so for that little nugget to pass muster
Sovva29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First time seeing this and dang...... that whole premise is incredibly dark.
Part of my twisted mind wants to see this whole thing animated now.
mom0nga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:11:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The movie was actually pretty far along when they re-did most of the plot (about 7% animated and 70% voice-acted), so there is a partially-animated version of the "taming party" scene, and a ton of development reels of other scenes.
The old version of the movie starred Nick instead of Judy. In this version, all predators wear permanent "tame" collars which can only be removed, temporarily, by a doctor. When Nick hurts his neck, the doctor removes his collar for a few seconds to examine him. During that moment, Nick is overcome with feelings of joy and freedom, and realizes that this is a business opportunity. After being turned down by every bank in Zootopia, Koslov (the mafia polar bear) agrees to fund Nick's idea: "Wild Times," an underground, predators-only theme park operated out of a fraudulent doctor's office. Predators visit the "doctor" and have their collars removed so that they can feel joy and excitement while having fun in the park. Eventually, Nick is arrested for this scheme, but he breaks out of jail, and Officer Judy's job is to recapture the "savage predator."
TheThetaDragon98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Two points:
It seems strange that Nick would ask banks to fund a scheme that depends on fraud. How did Nick pitch this idea?
The descriptions of early Zootopia that I've seen say that Nick was framed.
TheThetaDragon98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would the audience realize that the "predators" weren't really dangerous in the shock collar version of Zootopia?
In the real world, predators can be kind and friendly until they "snap," far more frequently than with humans. Sort of the tragedy of zoo big cats, y'know? The keepers may love them, but just one minute, and a keeper is dead.
mom0nga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:22 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the predators were still portrayed as they were in the final film, they just weren't trusted by the prey.
TheThetaDragon98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:36:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that it is the fact that the "prey" interact with "predators" without fearing for their lives that tells the audience that the "predators" don't involuntarily snap.
With the shock collar plot, it could be that the "predators" are dangerous, and Nick's in denial when he acts hurt and confused about it.
truthbomber66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoting because 'hellscape' is such a great word, and you've now reminded me to use it.
LiquidAether ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the original premise was far more interesting as a setting, but probably would have been much harder to make a good movie out of it.
PaddyTheLion ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:59:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. Soul swapping is dark, even for Pixar.
42Characters ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the why freaky Friday was so controversial.
syllabic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
John Lasseter helped write the brave little toaster which has an extended existential sequence in a junkyard where all the household objects are confronted with their destruction and mortality
To a really freaky song too
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was a dream in the script if I do recall.
Twinkie4sho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, that makes a lot more sense.
DiggaDoug492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man I wish they kept that junkyard scene in the final cut, I miss when kids' movies had terrifying scenes in them. That definitely would've scared me as an 8 year old.
Cheese464 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The truck stop had all convertible waitresses.......nice
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Leroytirebiter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or the Brave Little Toaster, when all those cars are singing about being destroyed as they die.
Gopokes34 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly thought it was a little bit more of an adult movie than a kid movie. it's been a while since I have seen it, and i'm sure there are little kids out there that like it, but compared to movies lik Toy Story, bugs Life, Incredibles, the intended audience felt much more adult like.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes absolutely, it was more artsy and a lot less playful. Definitely a standout by comparison
Gopokes34 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How's that username work out for ya?
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really well ๐ ive gotten to see a lot
FootballTA ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:24:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille was an adult movie that kids could enjoy, not the other way around. If it weren't Disney/Pixar doing it, it would have clearly been seen as Kafkaesque surrealism.
homicidevictim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do ppl ever actually pm you chubby boobs?
PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check my post histiry, I'm allowed to show some of them
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_CHUBBY_BOOBS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You couldn't?
ScientificBoinks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think most Pixar movies are adult movies. Or at least, neutral - neither specifically for kids or for adults. Too often we see animated movies and immediately think "kids" and I believe that is a shame.
Take Inside Out as an example. Kids will certainly enjoy the characters and bright colors and silly moments. But the movie is about the end of childhood. And I don't think that is something a child can truly understand, until they are a child no more. It's fascinating to me.
MC_Fap_Commander ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"If I don't like it, I don't swallow."
Watching the movie with my kids, I was stunned and delighted that something like this was in a PIXAR movie. (SPOILER: I don't think he's talking about food)
soulcaptain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not strange at all. Most Pixar movies (minus the Cars garbage) work on multiple levels.
jetstorm369 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:58:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone else cry during this scene?
damnspider ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:36:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just teared up reading it.
El_Tash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but I happened to be chopping onions at the time.
juliagulia287 ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how many times I watch "Ratatouille" (which is high in the double-digits), that monologue brings a tear to my eye every time.
bungopony ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most Pixar movies have a scene that does that to me. The door opening in Monsters Inc., the cowgirl's song in Toy Story 2, the beginning of Up.
Oddly, Inside Out didn't have that for me, though you'd think a movie about emotions would push your button at some point.
PXB_art ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:23:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
May I introduce you to our Lord and Savior Bing Bong, who died for our sins?
Freyanne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remeber really disliking Jessie from Toy Story 2 as a kid, and didn't exactly "get" her flashback story/song. Man, did I have a huge change of heart when I rewatched that part as an adult. Especially with how she gets anxiety/claustrophobia when it comes to be put inside a box or closed container.
ginger_vampire ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:23:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, it's genuinely thought-provoking. Anyone who's ever been in a position for their work to be criticized can relate to what Ego is saying. The effect that Remy's cooking had on him is what every aspiring artist wants their creations to do. I don't know, maybe I'm just speaking for myself here, but as someone who wants to go into a creative industry, the speech resonates with me a lot.
trackofalljades ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You Are Not Alone. ๐
w1n5t0n123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:07:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Favourite part of the movie is that speech right there
bonestamp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
The story about why that scene exists, and maybe even the movie itself, is as powerful as the scene itself. Here is Jason Calacanis (started Engadget, etc) interviewing Ed Catmull (President of Disney Animation/Pixar) on that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBtQX7BQds
In fact, the entire interview (that also talks about Toy Story, Star Wars, George Lucas, Steve Jobs, etc) is really fascinating...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jpANsucUGc
DeepSomewhere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anton Ego is such an excellent portrayal of the critic, why they are often disliked but also why they are so necessary.
Halvus_I ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Such a beautiful line. It taught me to seek out the 'new', and be its friend whenever i can. Im now a Virtual Reality developer/evangelist.
nixonbeach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve never seen this movie and have a two week โbachelorโ time because my spouse is traveling for business. I think Iโll check this out!
CrimsonPig ยท 15666 points ยท Posted at 15:44:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I've always liked Anthony Bourdain's comments on the movie:
Source
whydidithrowthisaway ยท 5218 points ยท Posted at 16:07:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Bourdain and didn't realize he was thanked in the film....thats cool.
[deleted] ยท 2965 points ยท Posted at 16:55:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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exometrium ยท 7192 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lmao you like dicks
Bloodyfinger ยท 1393 points ยท Posted at 17:09:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So gay
showmeurknuckleball ยท 767 points ยท Posted at 17:12:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't say miss me with that gay shit cause those are words, and words are used in poetry and poetry's gay. So miss me with that gay shit.
arhanv ยท 278 points ยท Posted at 17:24:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you're wearing socks while writing poetry it's not gay cause you're not naked
Carvemynameinstone ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 17:34:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're kneesocks, then you're ultragay, but also ultrasexy so win win.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:29:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Extra ultraness for neon colors
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:05:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PLUS ULTRA
Aujax92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedbokonohero
Cedira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
boku*
cortiz9885 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a very fine line between how high your socks can be
Clinicallyturnips ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they are wet socks, then it's amputation
FACESS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know how I can tell your gay? Because you have a rainbow bumper sticker that says I like balls in my face!!!
A_Booger_In_The_Hand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you wearing sock garters? That shits a little gay?
Need2throw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You couldnโt touch my knuckleball.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/dankmemes is leaking again. Quick cut the flow.
Ztmug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic. He could save others from the gay shit but not himself...
bluemirror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Careful youโre one use of gay from being poetic
Mahadragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Re: gay shit, AJ Clemente approves!
https://youtu.be/D0rP6IM4wjU
dweicl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So do you like dick or not
myopicview ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:31:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if itโs just my own dick I like?
Bloodyfinger ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:32:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even gayer
loftylabel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on how you showcase it. Is it an upvote? Or thumbs up? Swipe?
philodendrin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be โLickableโ, not likable.
KurrKurr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom gay.
phantasic79 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said no homo so it's totally not gay.
thiccc_commie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No you
Bardivan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โnot that thereโs anything wrong with thatโ
heatupthegrill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So fetch
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get it, cuz of gay
Vivalyrian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just assume their gender?
xurymc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:51:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/suddenlygay
dick_is_love ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dick is love
queefiest ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:36:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too thanks
elCharderino ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dick... I like it.
THEJAZZMUSIC ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See this is why I only bang guys that are huge pussies.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:19:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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Tossdatshitout ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wanting to be with a woman, how gay is that? You win sex from a man, that's as straight as it gets.
PrawnTyas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking females is for puffs
exophrine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not plural...singular. They only like this one particular dick.
msut77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He is a good looking dude even some Lesbians I worked with in food prep would gush about him.
jelle101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs more manly than man loving other man
brokndodge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We all like dicks in some form.
OuterInnerMonologue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He said he likes fish sticks in his mouth
MadameDoopusPoopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A gilded dick joke. This is what I come to reddit to see.
-MURS- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how do you get a trphy next to name?
sk07ch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dick?
A_Feast_For_Trolls ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 18:12:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know much about him but he always came off friendly to me, how is he a dick?
jhaake ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 18:33:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't, I've never seen him be anything but respectable and kind. Maybe it's just his demeanor that causes people to think of him as douchy. I think he's particularly self deprecating, definitely not a dick.
joequin ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 20:34:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes he seems cranky on his show. Like the kind of cranky you can get when you've flown halfway across the world and have to work without sleeping first. It never seems personal though.
bikersquid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:48:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
people mistake being aloof for being a dick.
AnotherThroneAway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's a dick in Archer.
oblio76 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He just doesn't take any shit from anyone.
mortalcoil1 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:15:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He has always called things as he seen them. Calls them as they are. In today's ultra PC culture this makes you a dick.
FuckingKilljoy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:47:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Going all "it's PC culture's fault" seems like such a cop out. Calling things as he sees them can still make him a dick. There are times where it's best to keep quiet. Kanye tells things like he sees them and yet it seems like it's mostly the right wing anti-PC brigade that hate him. George Bush didn't really care about black people, he was right, Katrina's mark can still be seen today. Didn't hear anyone go "oh it's that PC culture" back then. For the record I quite like Anthony
-cupcake ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 19:55:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's exactly a dick. I'm a fan of his shows. He can be very frank and crude and opinionated, and he's kinda got a "bad boy" persona as opposed to some other "family friendly celebrity chef" types, so perhaps that's where it comes from.
But, notably in his shows Parts Unknown/No Reservations, he is always extremely and genuinely grateful and invested in the people, the culture, the customs, the history of the places he visits. And in his writing/commentaries he always seems very thoughtful.
Maybe you can make a caricature of him out to be a "dick" but to me it doesn't fit the whole picture.
Sammy2Doorz ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:05:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, tbh i think that stigma comes from him making fun of Guy Fieri more than anything.
Limjucas328 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... But it's guy fuckin fiery
Sammy2Doorz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fiery?..lol
Limjucas328 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i think autocorrect got me there. lol
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-cupcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:20 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did they get rid of Parts Unknown, too? It's been a long while since I last had Netflix... I remember them being a little behind on the seasons, but both were still up there. Unfortunate that No Reservations isn't there anymore :(
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is anecdotal but hereโs a story.
I was once at a reception and somehow found myself talking to him (long story) about food. We had not been talking long, maybe 2 minutes, when he suddenly asked me what restaurant I cook at. When I told him I wasnโt a chef he simply dropped his facade, turned and walked away without a further word.
thehemanchronicles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's got a reputation for being exceedingly sassy, opinionated, and blunt about his opinions in his columns, books, and shows. Bourdain (along with Gordon Ramsay) helped popularize the image of "brutish, yelling head chef" that so many other chefs emulate to varying degrees of success.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because heโs always touting his bullshit liberal propaganda and hitting all the main talking points about being culturally aware and loving of all people except anyone right of center in his TV shows meanwhile all he does is visit poor countries and get fucked up on expensive whiskey while kids around him in these slums barely have clothes to where, all the while telling us how to live our lives and be more understanding and caring.
Jesus_HW_Christ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He just is. Not always and not in all situations, but definitely has that streak. Like Gordon Ramsey, who is actually a decent and kind person if you just meet him in a casual setting. Fuck up his new restaurant with your incompetence though, and you'll see a totally different person.
elriggo44 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:45:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He is a dick in the same way every asshole who worked in a kitchen his/her whole life is a dick. Itโs a very specific kind of dickishness that is combined with a dash of wit and charm.
Iโve worked in a ton of restaurants and the head cook (or chef depending on the place) is always a dick. But theyโre good dicks.
I imagine itโs the same kind of attitude that arises in the military, although Iโve never been in the service. Itโs the hard edged guy with a sharp tongue and attitude who has your fucking back and you donโt really know it until you need to know.
Itโs also a very no nonsense attitude.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmm good dicks
2OP4me ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
๐
HatimD45 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:09:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His whole style is just so interesting.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:09:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the way he writes too. The couple of articles he did for Lucky Peach were fantastic.
learnyouahaskell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying they copied his shtyle?
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 17:11:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His take on the MeToo movement has been inspiring.
crotchpolice ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 17:26:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His girlfriend is a survivor of assault so it's likely a topic he takes very seriously
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:26:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 17:31:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anthony-bourdain-confesses-metoo-made-me-reexamine-my-life
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:12:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That website on mobile hurts.
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 18:15:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anthony Bourdain became an unlikely spokesperson for the #MeToo movement last fall when his girlfriend, Italian actress Asia Argento, publicly accused Harvey Weinstein of rape.
But the celebrity chef and host of CNNโs Parts Unknown was hesitant to give himself too much credit when The Daily Showโs Trevor Noah brought up the โpainfulโ issue during their interview Wednesday night.
โI came out of a brutal, oppressive business that was historically unfriendly to women,โ Bourdain said, speaking about the restaurant industry, which has been rocked by its own sexual-misconduct scandals in recent months. โI knew a lot of women, it turned out, who had stories about their experiencesโabout people I knewโwho did not feel I was the sort of person they could confide in.โ
It was only because of his relationship with Argento that women began opening up to him about those experiences. โI started speaking about it out of a sense of real rage,โ he explained. โIโd like to say that I was only enlightened in some way or Iโm an activist or virtuous, but in fact, I have to be honest with myself. I met one extraordinary woman with an extraordinary and painful story, who introduced me to a lot of other women with extraordinary stories and suddenly it was personal.โ
โTo the extent that I ever woke up, that certainly had an effect,โ he added. โSo I think, like a lot of men, Iโm reexamining my life,โ Bourdain said, noting that he wrote what he now thinks of as โthe meathead bible for restaurant employees and chefsโ in his breakthrough memoir, Kitchen Confidential. โI look back, like hopefully a lot of men in that industry and think โ not necessarily โwhat did I do or not do?โ โ but โwhat did I see and what did I let slide? What did I not notice?โโ
Among the chefs accused of sexual misconduct in recent weeks was Mario Batali, a man who Bourdain considered, and may still consider, a friend.
โLook, no matter how much I admire someone or respected their work,โ he told Noah, โIโm pretty much Ming the Merciless on this issue right now. Iโm not in a forgiving state of mind. I mean, that shit ainโt OK.โ
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:16:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TheBold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
ยซย Im like Genghis Khan, the great conqueror! OBEY TO THE KHAGANATE OR YOUR VILLAGES WILL BE PLUNDERED AND YOUR CHILDREN IMPALED!ย ยป
You know, perhaps associating yourself with an actual, efficient villain is not the smartest thing to do.
Jesus_HW_Christ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except Genghis wasn't that much of a villain. He allowed a large degree of self rule.
DdCno1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Consider using Firefox (if you're on Android). It supports uBlock Origin (as well as almost every other add-on). Downside: Since it's the full desktop version of the browser, just with a different UI, it's slower than other mobile browsers and needs quite a lot of RAM.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone. Thanks though
JakeCameraAction ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:04:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't realized he and his wife divorced.
CrossCollarChoke ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 21:34:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A while ago.
She was cucking him with many guys including some of the dudes from their jiu jitsu gym.
She's way better than him and wanted to fuck black belts.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:19:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See, that kind of thing disappoints me a bit - not that he supports #MeToo, but because this is a man who built his career on being a dick to people, and to realize this late in life that being a dick had a real consequence, and only because of a personal connection to a victim - that's kind of sad. Like, how did you not figure that out sooner?
Good on him for learning, but I call that "minimum standard for being a human being".
-cupcake ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:31:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have examples of when he was a dick to people? I know him only from his shows and reading a few things outside of that and I just replied to a comment asking about why people think he's a dick. I don't think he's a dick. I'm curious
rounced ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:31:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being an asshole to an employee and sexually harassing them are worlds apart though.
You're potentially fucking up my business/livelihood? Sorry, you're going to be told what you did wrong and not to do it again, and I'm not likely to be "nice" about it. What you have between your legs is irrelevant to that discussion.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The point of TFA was that his demeanor gave people the impression he was okay with "kitchen culture" which included the harassment problem.
[deleted] ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 17:01:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a perfectly succinct description of the genius that is AB.
michUP33 ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 17:12:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB=Alton Brown for me.
chrisr938 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:28:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Adriรกn Beltre for me.
Bertram_Cooper ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:35:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Adrian Brody for me
work_flow ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:39:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Antonio Brown for me
Guy954 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:43:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB=Antonio Banderas for me
willfull ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:44:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Adrian Belew for me
JuanJuan66 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB=first two letters of the alphabet for me
Maps-Of ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = signal selection for me
whydidimakeausername ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = blood type for me
(Actually, I don't know my blood type)
Jdoggcrash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:58:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you donate blood they can tell you. Terrible way to find out youโre 0- though cause they will never stop hounding you about donating.
goldensunshine429 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know one person who is O- and heโs gay, thus forbidden from donating.
They finally stopped hounding him when he made some long rant about their discriminatory practices when they called.
quaybored ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Anal Banging for me
PM_ME_YUR_Jigglybits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Andy Bernard for me
Manchest101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB= Abbreviations for me
DrJuggsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Allan Border down under
crypticfreak ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:43:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB= Antonio Banderas for me
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GhostBeezer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB*1! Can you Imagine??...
Bad-Brains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As Salavdor Dali
funkykolemedina ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:08:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another Beer for me
Gregory_Pikitis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live right next to the rangers ball park and I'm so ready for the season to begin.
j_B00G ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
New bitch wanna fuck on my AB -Rich the Kid
Catherine_Zeta_Jones ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Antonio Brown, Action Bronson, Anthony Bourdain... fuck I know too many ABs
ExtraterrestrialNap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:36:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB=Amanda Bynes for me ....
michUP33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least I stayed culinarily
ExtraterrestrialNap ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โTwas a joke
dingus_mcginty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:39:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Apple bottoms for me
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:49:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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drinfernodds ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:25:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boots with the fur? (With the fur?)
unknownokie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AB = Alpha Beta... fucking nerds!
TheNakedRedditor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The One True AB
OperationFlyingD0D0 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:10:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Iโm out of the loop. Why is Anthony Bourdain a dick?
tire-fire ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:18:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me it seem he's got that cynical, low verbal filter approach to most topics he touches on, usually has a brutally honest way about him. That can probably come off as a bit of a dick at times.
MC_Fap_Commander ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I find this approach to life may get one labelled as a "dick," but in reality, the honesty just means the compassion shown to others is similarly honest. And AB has shown a lot of people compassion.
tire-fire ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:58:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No argument, I'm a fan of him but I'm not surprised if some people don't appreciate him just because of that.
pickle-in-a-cup ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't, maybe I just don't get it. I've been following Bourdain since the early days of no reservations and he has been a huge inspiration for me.
Duzcek ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 17:06:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he has the clout to be. He can be a dick but he seems super genuine.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:46:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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pokelord13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:47:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like the cut of his cock
thatmanisamonster ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've rolled with him in BJJ before. Tough guy. Really, really nice and humble though. Introduced himself as Tony. Didn't turn down any rolls or put any conditions on rolling with him (which a lot of celebrities do). Took time after training to take pictures with whoever wanted them. I've met celebrities of a way lesser degree that were 1000x a dick as him.
Ennion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:51:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You get to see a more real Tony when he is with Eric Ripert. His Sichuan episode is a good one. He seems to act himself more and not such a pretentious douch. I Ike Tony, he's a great narrator and author.
iknighty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/suddenlygay
crypticfreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bumper!
ukahbob777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
plus, no one is really ever 100% a dick
BillNyeCreampieGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโve just been banned from /r/Russia
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Initially misread that as lickable dick.
God_Sirzechs_Antakel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why is he a dick? Don't tell me he sexually assaulted someone too?
AuspexAO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bro once said to me, "You remind me of that travel food guy: Anthony Bourdain." I still can't decide whether he meant it in a good or bad way.
sharpshooter999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes you just need a good dick.
JoeBenigo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's from Jersey. That describes the majority of us.
rlynch1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never really thought of him as a dick and I've read many of his books/seen a lot of his shows. What would make you think he's a dick? Genuinely curious about this.
HerbaciousTea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you confusing Bourdain with Ramsay? Bourdain has never been anything but chill from what I've seen.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 17:45:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's a fucking egotist whose opinion in his shows is dictated entirely by whether his host or guide is an attractive woman
BjergIsDad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
WowkoWork ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to be incredibly ill-informed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:05 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched all of this TV shows, so no.
stopaclock ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:04:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a comic book out now called "Hungry Ghosts" that you should also check out. Totally different, and might not be up your alley, but he's involved in a ton of diverse projects and it's one of those examples!
ansonr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I have often thought of him as the American Jeremy Clarkson.
junkyarddoggydog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bring back parts unknown
ToAlphaCentauriGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got a lot of the similarities with kitchen confidential, especially the burns he mentioned and his telling of how his parents left his snotty ass to go eat in restaurants in France.
CaptainSprinklefuck ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya'll love Bourdain, but ya shit all over Guy Fieri like he did something other than follow his dreams. I think his fridge with the racing stripe is cool, bet you guys would love it if Banksy had painted it.
HYPERBOLE_TRAIN ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:19:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs best if you try to remember that Reddit consists of millions of people.
Also...itโs spelled yโall.
aa93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
<godwin's law>
Hitler followed his dreams, too.
</godwin's law>
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get 'em, if Anthony Bourdain was some no name on public access they would think he sucks.
CaptainSprinklefuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does he do? "I put on Rolling Stones tshirts and tell food carts they suck."
MildRunner ยท 361 points ยท Posted at 16:41:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think some parts of the movie were inspired by his book Kitchen Confidential. (especially when they give the back stories of all the cooks which is something he talked about in his book.)
RyanBordello ยท 983 points ยท Posted at 16:56:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a salty ex line cook and former bitch ass sous chef and current subscriber and poster on /r/kitchenconfidential , Just about everyone in the industry agrees that its one of the best restaurant movies. Other good ones that go the rounds in that sub are Big Night and Chef.
thatguyworks ยท 303 points ยท Posted at 17:38:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Night is effing amazing. Just rewatched it for the first time since the 90s. It's timeless.
That scene at the end where Tucci makes the omelette in real time. No dialogue.
Chef is also really good. It just makes me laugh that Favreau decided one day, "I'm gonna make a movie, and do you know who my love interests are gonna be? Sophia Vergara and Scarlett Johansson."
duaneap ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 18:11:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I get to eat cubanos, hang out with Robert Downey Jr. and kiss Sofia Vergara and Scar Jo and there's no one that can tell me I can't!"
cire1184 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:18:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef is Iron Man if Happy Hogan retired became a chef and decided he was into latinas and his best friend was a drag queen.
duaneap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Based on the 2nd half of your comment, I think you and I watched a different film. However, I am highly interested in watching the film you watched.
cire1184 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:30:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should watch Too Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie newmar if you like John Leguizamo.
flyingboarofbeifong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's good to be TheLion King.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he already worked with RDJ and Scarjo in Iron Man..
ilovecfb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That ending scene of Big Night is so disarming. Even without the context of the rest of the movie it does such an amazing job of expressing the characters' feelings, and without dialogue. It moves some part of me in the way that I imagine people who subscribe to /r/ASMR must feel moved.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ASMR is a little different, more physical. What you're describing is known as "frisson".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Night is the only movie I have downloaded to my phone.
veroxii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That breakfast scene truly is one of the most memorable scenes in all of cinema.
Gregory_Pikitis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I thought it was super cool of them to do an episode with Andrew on binging with babish today
alhoward ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing happens in Chef, there's no conflict whatsoever, there's no character development, it was like the elevator music of movies.
audiodormant ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:54:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs called slice of life, itโs one of my favorite genres. Easygoing and feel good.
tahonng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming you liked Antonia's Line, then?
audiodormant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most definitely, Iโm also glad it came out when it did. If it came out present day the Internet hate would be huge for being a โfeminist fairy taleโ
thatguyworks ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:01:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Off the top of my head I can see a redemption story after one man loses his livelihood. There's also a father/son bonding plot. There's even a message about the power of social media.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A guy has to redeem himself to his community.
sinkwiththeship ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was more about internal redemption. He'd lost what he originally loved about cooking. The food truck road trip with his son brought it back.
I_dont_bone_goats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He gets roped by an influential food critic and then embarrassed himself publicly in his restaurant after having to decide whether his freedom of expression or job is more important. Thatโs some pretty obvious conflict.
I_dont_bone_goats ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, read that joke earlier on reddit.
Shrekquille_Oneal ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 17:42:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see you guys are sleeping on good burger.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:50:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the part of the industry some of us started in and have no desire to return to.
showmeurknuckleball ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 17:13:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna leave out the cinematic masterpiece that is The Slammin Salmon?
seriphos ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:19:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who is Guy.... Meatdrapes? What kind of name is that?
Fixedfoo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:09:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How come it doesnโt sound like that when I say it?
JTSams ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, champ, it's medrapedes.
sinkwiththeship ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:01:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's Greek.
bikersquid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WHATEVER MOTHERFUCKER!
RyanBordello ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:17:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually ashamed to say ive never seen that industry movie. I liked super troopers and beer fest but HATED Club Dread. Should I give Slammn Salmon a try?
dullthings ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:34:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jay is brilliant in Slammin Salmon, and Michael Clarke Duncan is hilarious. The โhow is everybody feeeline tonightโ had me creased up laughing. Itโs not a great movie really, but itโs well worth a few hours, and there are some decent cameos.
sabjsc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's up noodledicks?!
sinkwiththeship ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:02:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Zongo's in the houuuuuse.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:38:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still say Depacitated instead of decapitated
Jaggerman82 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:39:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I too hated club dread. Slammin salmon was very good in my opinion. I would put it on par with Beerfest for my personal tastes, with super troopers still at the top.
sheetskees ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:20:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's def not up there with troopers or beerfest but its good.
showmeurknuckleball ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:05:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely give Slammin Salmon a shot. It's not as refined as Beerfest and Super Troopers but it's still hilarious, easy watching imo. Def better than Club Dread.
Houston_Centerra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Club Dread and I thought Slammin Salmon was just barely okay
pipsdontsqueak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:04:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the companion piece, Waiting?
BarryLikeGetOffMEEEE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"excuses are like assholes. Everyone's got one but don't nobody wanna admit it!"
Cyno01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Waiting is better.
selfiejon ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 16:59:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
loved chef! Jon did a really awesome job with that movie. was also cool seeing all my austin spots too!
Mitosis ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:52:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The movie was just so happy and easygoing I kept expecting the bottom to fall out. Nope. Just a nice, fun, thoroughly enjoyable movie.
KingGorilla ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:17:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely would love more movies where things just keep getting better.
Worthyness ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:18:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Preferably with awesome and tasty looking food.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give "The Intern" a try. Still has some conflict, but generally just a positive story.
EverAccelerating ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:00:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef completely threw me off because I've been ingrained to know that if things are going well halfway through the movie, catastrophe is coming soon after. But the feel-good moments just kept coming and coming. It's one of those rare movies where I watched it again right after the end credits.
kevinwhackistone ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:21:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Epitomizes feel good movie. It feels good to feel good. Wish more of these kinds of movies were made. Keeping a degree of realism in a feel good movie makes it even more enjoyable. I feel like Chef did that pretty well.
MeInMyMind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of films with no central conflict end up being badly reviewed, but Chef is of those movies that works because there is no central conflict.
Rayne37 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there was an instigating conflict. Basically the big bad fallout just happened at the start of the movie. Then after that it was only minor hiccups along a mostly uphill recovery from the original issue. I would definitely love more movies like that.
CitrusCBR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Binging with Babish, on YouTube, just did an ode to this movie's chocolate lava cake scene.
KingGorilla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The maker of Chef also released a few recipes from the movie
http://www.bakespace.com/cookbooks/detail/%27CHEF%27-the-Film-Cookbook%3A-Recipes-from-El-Jefe/1323/
MarkHoppusJr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My name chef
CartoonDogOnJetpack ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:08:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Big Night! I try to let people know what an amazing movie that is. Tony Shalhoub can do no wrong.
RyanBordello ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stanley Tucci, Isabella Rossolini and Mark Anthony as the quite dishy/prep also!
CartoonDogOnJetpack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely! Everything about that movie just hits all the right notes. The final scene in the kitchen was just perfect.
kingsleywu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stanley Tucci's terrible Italian accent mixed with broken English is so bad though lol. Good movie anyway.
convextech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, watching this next.
CartoonDogOnJetpack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great! Hope you like it.
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 17:21:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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duaneap ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 18:09:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed exactly because it was so light. There was no villain, no particularly major conflicts, no attempt to shoe horn in heady drama. It was just a fun, easy going, food loving road trip film that you don't have to think too much about and I absolutely appreciated it for that. Also the sound track was boss.
diearzte2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from the first 20 or so minutes, the entire movie is positive. Itโs a refreshing change.
indiaam2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The soundtrack was my favourite part of the movie, it was stellar
twosoon22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, itโs a feel good movie. And I think itโs a fantastic feel good movie.
lowercaset ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:13:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The happy ending didn't feel terribly unrealistic to me. Which part did you not buy? The journey to get there (mainly the kid / social media bit which you covered) was obviously BS, but the idea that a world class chef could get beaten down by a boss who basically wants his restaurant to be a corporate gig going back to his roots and gaining success again doesn't seem too far fetched to me.
Plenty of great chefs have had some huge whiffs on their road to success.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:32:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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alhoward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And there was never any explanation or indication as to why they got divorced in the first place, so there wasn't any growth or development to get to that point. It was just completely unearned.
lowercaset ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the wife front, I kinda figured they broke up because he was miserable and was stepping out to try and fill the void left by cooking food he was not proud of.
For the son, it was obvious from the get go that the kid idolized him. Once he was basically forced by his wife and circumstance to spend some time with the kid he realized that the kid wanted to be just like dad. Not hard for any remotely reasonable person to connect with someone that wants to emulate them.
As far as opening his own business, the wife had been with him before. Chef / back of house life is always weird miserable hours. She's used to it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looks to me like it's technically more about directing (Jon Favreau, the main character and the director) than it is about actually being a chef. It draws parallels without being a direct allegory and is more about the creative process and industries than it is about 'chef life'. It does make the setting feel as nice as possible, and one of the major points was the importance of balancing life-work and how good content doesn't mean good reception since, like you said, the kid's marketing made all the difference.
Really not a bad film, but a bad film if you want a 'restaurant life' film. Ratatouille is better for that.
ZanThrax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Chef, largely because it's such a blatant allegory for Favreau's movie career - did some small, well-reviewed stuff, got the opportunity to make a commercial movie, which became a big success, was told to do the same thing again, which left him feeling burned out and stuck in a rut. Got shit reviews for doing more of the same. Got in a fight with the guy who told him he had to stick with what he did on that first big success and not try anything different. Fucked off and made something small scale and fun with some of his friends. Got reinvigorated by doing so.
jtr99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely with you on this, dude. In my opinion, Ratatouille is proper top-50-movies-ever material, and Chef is just so lazy, cheesy, and cynical. It's paint-by-numbers film-making. John Leguizamo struggles bravely but even he can't save this burnt sandwich of a movie.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I liked it. It isn't Citizen Kane, but it is a nice, feel-good movie.
bolerobell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I needed a feel good movie when we saw it. Both I g wrk g with that.
U_BO ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:44:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you OK dude
kaiise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
technically - twitter paid for that movie and netflix picked it up.
intothemidwest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny, I think Ratatouille is a masterpiece, and while it's definitely not as good a film, I'd consider Chef's complete lack of conflict to be a strange strength for it.
I truly have a hard time thinking of a film that has less conflict than Chef. After the first 15 minutes, it's just a celebration of food and family, and after awhile it just kinda says "I'm done, that was nice" and ends. It's wild.
Thrashy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My fiancee is a professional chef, and it's amazing how out of touch with tech and social media most exec chefs, KMs, and other senior staff can be. She's defaulted to social media manager and general tech support at several of the places she's worked.
thefrozendivide ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ex exec. Here, did an AMA on r/kitchenconfidential a long time ago. No longer Cook for a living, but it'll always be a part of me...agreed on this list of films.
brazillion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Loved Big Night. So underrated.
Mabonagram ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That oner at the end of big night where they just fry up an omelette and eat in silence is some of the best filmmaking of all time.
RyanBordello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also my favorite part
Lovlace_Valentino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's no God of Cookery...
nangke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Scrolled down way too far to see this
DahLZy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How about the movie Burnt? Is that realistic at all? Recently watched it on Flix
MikelFury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you can add Tampopo to that short list.
Coastliveoak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand Chef. What made that movie a "happy" movie for you, instead of a sappy one? Because I found it difficult to sit through, it just felt contrived.
Vio_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say that, "as a movie," it's a hot mess with its plotting and structure and is single-handedly saved by Peter O'Toole's review monologue. It's clear that they had a lot of writing/structural problems during development, and had to patch things together.
But it's such an adorable movie despite those flaws.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Vio_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:47:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it' the difference between Wall-E and Ratatouille. Wall-E was an incredibly well written movie that had very little problems with the structure. Ratatouille had a number of weird subplots, quirks, and threads that either didn't go anywhere or didn't quite work.
Wall-E was strong start to finish.
debacol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Big Night is hillarious.
xiaodown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWaitingโ absolutely belongs on that list.
Viking_Stroganoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely love Big Night. The story of the brothers and the love for the food is just the best. Need to still see Chef though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Il Timpano
Decabet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im not in the industry, but Big Night is like porn for me. Chef too. I've made Timpano 3 times thanks to Big Night where once the idea of doing that would have seemed insane to me.
heterosapian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I liked 42 grams. Free on Netflix.
SuttonWho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Babette's Feast!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Dinner Rush if you can find it. Also, yes there are bad parts, but Burnt gets more hate than it should.
rabbittexpress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef! is an awesome series...
I think my favorite episode was the one where he's made to cook with Condensed milk.
bluelily17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVED Chef. Such a good movie. I'm gonna have to check out Big Night!
litritium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
La Grande Bouffe?
bioz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if we're not just including fine dinning or back of house, Waiting always seemed spot on
DaLyricalMiracleWhip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shocking how few people in this thread have seen the paragon of cooking movies, Eddieโs Million Dollar Cook-Off
jcy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you watch it on mute, Burnt was easy on the eyes
bikersquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that sub is the best.
AG74683 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not big into cooking movies or documentaries, but Ratatouille and Chef are two of my very favorite movies.
no_dice_grandma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you said "industry" I think you mean back of the house. Everyone I know in the front of the house votes for Waiting, hands down.
MadFlava76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading that Ratatouille was very well received in France. That in some theaters people stood up and gave it a standing ovation. If that isn't a vote of confidence in this film, then I don't know what is.
betterplanwithchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef introduced me to pasta aglio e olio, and I am forever grateful.
[deleted] ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 19:14:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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RPA12345 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:13:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, props to you man. Life handed you the most rotten lemons and you made something good outta it. I would legit love to see your story as a book or a movie(any kinda media really).
ges13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man. Itโs not a glamorous life, but it makes me happy :)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:18:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was beautiful
ges13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you :)
oorr23 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:04:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you cut onions for a living?
ges13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes I do.
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully quickly and not like Mommy. YOU ARE NOT MOMMY!!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:55:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you should make your own post. Not enough people have seen this comment
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:15:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ordinarily I hate long posts like these because they feel like such a chore to read through. This is not one of those posts. You're pretty damn good writer, props to you.
odichthys ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very inspirational, thanks for sharing and congrats on culinary school later this year!
ceeduu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:16:37 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it really is long
unknownpoltroon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:21:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you got out of a fucked up situation, but you really might wanna talk to someone professional about stuff when you get a chance.
IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you watched this movie when you were little, how old are you now?
ges13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:43:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm 22. I would consider twelve to be โlittleโ.
IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:50:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, gotcha.
LILKAYLXVERT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
very interesting comment and read, thank you for that
Goingtothechapel2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:31 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
congrats on the culinary program. this was an amazing look into your experience. you're a good writer too.
new-mustard-lover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
excellent comment. thank you for sharing. as a dishwasher i somehow get how you feel, a little.
ges13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah man! Iโve done plenty of dish shifts in my day, and Iโm sure I have more coming my way. Youโre never really done with it, thereโs always going to be that day your guy calls in sick, or has to take their SO to the hospital, or just decides heโs too good to do an honest dayโs work. Dishies kick ass! Theyโre one of the most valuable parts of a kitchen, and they make the best cooks too :) If this sounds like a path you want to explore, ask if thereโs some extra prep your chef or kitchen manager needs a hand with. Are the utensils disorganized? Does it take your cooks five minutes shuffling through a pile of measuring cups, ladels, and tongs to find the fucking Y-Peeler? Fix it; whenever possible offer solutions, not more problems for your chef to be worried about. Even if they donโt care (and those hateful, asinine idiots do exist unfortunately) you at least know that you did it. And, through doing it, you learned some valuable organizational skills and got some genuine kitchen experience. I live for the moments Iโm cooking, but thatโs just one aspect of the job. Itโs a dirty gig, and in my experience the guy willing to do the dirty work is always treated better than the guy who went to school for it. The nice thing about the industry, at least as far as Iโve seen, is that if youโre willing to learn and to work thereโs nowhere you canโt go with it. I donโt have any Michelin stars on my sleeve. Yet. But I know that if Iโm willing to make the sacrifices necessary (and there will be A LOT of them) I can get there. I hope this doesnโt come off conceited. In the big picture Iโm still just a minnow that found itself out in the ocean. But Iโve been just a dishwasher before, and I remember how that feels. I know how rarely youโre given the appreciation you deserve. So be proud man, youโre still further along than everyone else who thought cooking was a cute job. Youโre putting in the effort; and if you decide this is really what you want youโll be better off for having done it. Heard?
not_on ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well done dude. Keep on cookin'!
3404 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 21:39:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tl;dr
IllPanYourMeltIn ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:14:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally tells you that himself in the first sentence you asshat.
MrTheFysh ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 17:18:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly do the burns on the hands mean?
8604 ยท 447 points ยท Posted at 17:19:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just what happens when you work in a kitchen long enough.
MrTheFysh ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 17:25:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see, that is a pretty nice detail that I'd never even consider.
SuspiciouslyElven ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 18:44:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some other profession based marks:
Chemists (especially the older ones) have puncture scars between the thumb and middle finger from attempting to insert glass tubing into cork and it snaps, stabbing them.
Anyone working with electronics has a burn scar somewhere. Soldering irons are hand held lead melters and you learn the hard way to respect it.
Carpenters are professional splinter removers.
Tailors and clothes makers have bled on their clients clothing from needle sticks.
These can be avoided by being safe, but will accumulate because nobody is perfect. It's the minor injuries that make a craftman's hand.
Nuwamba ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 19:28:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone talks about how ballet dancers have fucked up feet, but no one ever talks about how modern dancers may have bruises on their backs, knees and the tops of their feet. You put a lot of weight on those portions of the bodies in most modern techniques (Limon, Graham, etc.). You get trained to be able to avoid getting bruises, and sometimes wear knee pads or dance shoes in practice(normally you are barefoot), those injuries are common.
Other signs of ballet dancers:
Toes point outward when walking or standing.
Knees that bend inward when standing (bad for your knees but itโs a habit)
Also my dad is a painter, and I notice he has callouses and indents where he would rest his brush in his hands. I donโt know if thatโs common.
kjm1123490 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:55:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Basketball players get fucked up feet too. Not ballet bad, i played through college and my foot was 1/4 callous with fucked up toes from getting stomped on/bad landings after dunks. Ankles are all deformed from countless sprains. My pinky toes both broke a few times and they kind of look like harry potters scar.
Its a great game, but much more physical than people realize. NBA tends to be less physical than college, so a lot of people just see those games where wade gets fouled by jumping into a guy lightly and dont know that at lower levels refs dont call those tippy tap fouls.
ActivityEquivalent69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:25 on November 1, 2022 ยท (Permalink)
I have a charger port callus on my pinky where I balance my phone. it can happen and it's quite common.
StellarBlitz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:45:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love this so much. Iโm gonna have to keep workplace scars in mind now when I design characters in the future.
vanderZwan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:05:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if your design is purely graphical, or also involves writing, but there is also this thing called dรฉformation professionnelle: how one's profession warps their world view.
Example: physics essentially requires accepting that there is one external, observable objective truth, and to do physics properly requires setting aside personal desires for how the world should be, and after careful observations and meticulously verifying that what you observed is correct, accept the truth of what the data shows.
Physicists then tend to naively ignore the last part when discussing non-physics subjects, not realising that they do not have enough knowledge to do a complete and proper reasoning about the matter, and wrongfully conclude that they can in fact explain everything objectively better. Some also manage to find the mere thought of subjectivity having any validity offensive, and don't see the irony of how that is a very subjective, emotional response and how much they apparently value that emotion as correct.
(and I say this as a former physics student who thinks the world could do with a lot more rationality)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. As a lawyer, I see this way too often - lawyers having the instinct to say "no" or "you can't do that" or "this is a problem" instead of losing sight of an end goal, coming up with an alternative, or finding a more creative solution. We're not usually creative, which sadly is the kind of insight you need to be able to take advantage of things like emerging opportunities.
Saw a perfect example recently when a friend asked me what to do with a car he damage. A professional detailer said the only way to fix a scrape would be to touch-up, sand, polish and hopefully even out the scrape; the body shop he took it to said the only fix was to re-spray the whole panel. Neither ever considered the other alternative.
Theallmightbob ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:06:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welders are just covered in tiny burns from all sorts of shit as well. Sparks find there way in.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Theallmightbob ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:13:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Overhead is the worst for it. Gotta love a good heater to the inside of the elbow.
vanderZwan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are they alive?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:11:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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illusoryimage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a similar thing with older cooks, pulling pans out of a 400 degree oven with bare hands.
saadghauri ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:31:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanted to say I love this comment. There's just something really human about it, I don't know how to explain. Just these small errors people accumulate, you know?
paulfknwalsh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a friend who was a glazier, his party trick was finding a new splinter of glass to pop out of his hands / forearms.
I'm a full-time mural artist, so I just have drops of paint on 90% of my clothes and shoes. (Not just white paint, either, which is a point of difference with commercial painters.)
Also my brother and stepbrother are both carpet layers - it's not very noticeable, but their knees are fuuucked up.
illusoryimage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very first day I did trades I saw my boss try and get on his knees and since then I wear kneepads whenever I'm gonna be on my knees all day.
BrotherOni ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:46:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My university professor has a story about being able to tell who was an old school biochemist by how many fingers they had left. Back in the day, centrifuges didn't have proper brakes, so they used to help slow them down by hand.
Back then centrifuges were multi-tonne things so it's easy to see how trying to slow down the central spindle that was spinning at several thousand rpm resulted in the occasional finger loss.
He also mentioned the time where a centrifuge was loaded unbalanced and the subsequent vibration caused it to break through from the second floor down to the ground, much like one of those cartoon baths falling through an apartment building.
MrTheFysh ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These are all things I'd never considered.
I just know calluses on fingers/thumbs indicates a guitar player.
jamesdakrn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
calluses on fingers and friction burns on left collarbone = violinist
darkrider400 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fix electronics in my spare time for friends, can confirm I have burn marks. Only 1 from soldering iron, 2 from electric burns due to shitty grounding when I first started.
Also carpentry, did plenty of that with my dad when I was younger. Fuck carpentry. I do it often enough, but I take every measure possible to make sure Im not getting any more splinters, lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have calluses on the corners of my fingernails from learning to code on a small laptop
jdrobertso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even a chemist, but I did break a tube shoving it into a rubber top for a erlenmeyer flask in high school, so I feel that.
ninetailedoctopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Programmer: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
FesteringNeonDistrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My former next door neighbor is a welder. His forearms are probably more scar tissue than not.
pneuma8828 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was just a Boy Scout, and my hands are covered in old burn scars from reaching into the fire while cooking. Can't imagine what a real chef looks like.
Wwwweeeeeeee ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:15:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have SO many scars. A stranger once asked me (gently) if I tried to commit suicide about a particularly nasty burn across the inside of my wrist.
:Hauling stuff out of the oven at high speeds leaves nasty line burns across the top of hands and wrists.
RedditS4W ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:53:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't cook professionally but I cook my own meals most of the time and even I have a few burns here and there. I'd imagine working professionally in the kitchen would really rack the burns up
kingsleywu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I average about one a month or every other month seems like
Iohet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like an old man's thumb and forefinger when they roll their own cigarettes
skylions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or short enough, currently working in a kitchen and you learn QUICK how to avoid it as much as you can.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 17:57:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cooks are covered in burns and scars. You work with fire and knives you get burnt and cut.
Siaxisdk ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:44:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what they say, if you play with fire you're gonna get cut.
SlowRollingBoil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mess with the bull you get the horns.
WacoWednesday ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally. I just noticed my iPhone canโt read my thumbprints anymore from burning them so many times
bisjac ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:21:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
just seasoned chefs. its more of a /moviedetails or whatever that sub was, kinda thing.
Halvus_I ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You reach into an oven enough times, you are going to burn yourself.
Nach0Man_RandySavage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people have already answered, but in his book Kitchen Confidential, he has a story about trying out in a kitchen and getting a burn and another chef basically laughing at him when he said he needed first aid and grabbing a sheet pan out of the oven with his bare hands because of how many burns he had on them.
heyalliey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the kitchen I used to work at, the apprentices called them 'the markings of our people'. When you work around a kitchen all day, your arms and hands work in constant tandem with large, hot, and sharp objects. Each burn (hopefully) just teaches you to be thaaat much more careful.
Avarice21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Either battle scars or sloppy chef. You decide.
rickymorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:05 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Working in kitchens, you burn your hands through accidents with kitchen utensils and crack pipes
Duzcek ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:05:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love me some bourdain
Transill ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ego's epiphany/flash back scene is hands down the best emotion-translated-to-visual that i have ever seen.
slightlydirtythroway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:33:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man I don't normally think of him as having a distinctive voice, but I read that entirely as Anthony Bourdain in my head
Carp8DM ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for posting this. Goosebumps, man. Goosebumps
thatlldopigthatldo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched so much "No Reservations" that I literally read that in his voice.
DifficultHat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know in what capacity he consulted on the film?
TheDStudge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm quite good at the Ratatouille video game for the Wii. I remember I was a rat in a tin can with a paddle and I were to race other rats in tin cans with paddles. I think I came in 2nd place so I might win this time." - Anthony Bourdain
rythian_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Couldnt help but read that with Anton Egos voice
CheeseAtTheKnees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is really gonna make me rewatch Ratatoullie. Havenโt seen since I was a kid but I remember loving it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An amazing review when you take out the part where he thinks movies were only good "a long time ago". So sick of that "my snl cast is the best" line of thinking.
93devil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love how the lowercase r totally changes the timing of the epiphany.
ftctkugffquoctngxxh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/anton-ego-final-speech-ratatouille.jpg
l5555l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn why does everyone who's famous have to just shit talk modern movies. You aren't watching enough or trying to find anything good if you haven't seen any good films recently.
Opie_Golf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quite articulate. He most have worked on that email for a while.
timthetollman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watched this movie last week and I've no idea what he's talking about here?
DentRandomDent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When it flashes back to him being a child in the country and his mom (or grandma? Can't remember) making ratatouille in their little kitchen
timthetollman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yea, was cool I guess..
[deleted] ยท 3623 points ยท Posted at 16:01:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had tears in my eyes watching that scene in the movie when the Critic tastes the Ratatouille and it reminds him how his mom used to cook. That flashback part is pretty phenomenal.
bungopony ยท 1445 points ยท Posted at 16:27:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pixar are great for those small touches that resonate. The opening of the door at the end of Monsters Inc., and "Kitty!" - it brings me to tears every single time.
[deleted] ยท 490 points ยท Posted at 16:39:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monster Inc. was my least favorite movie as a kid because of those ugly looking characters but watched it an year or two ago along with Monster University and realised how mind blowing it was.
reappearer ยท 896 points ยท Posted at 17:08:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt you dare talk shit about my boy Mike Wazowski. He got the looks and all the hoes
[deleted] ยท 277 points ยท Posted at 17:27:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was even in the commercial for the company!
asha1985 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:06:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And on a magazine!
MegaGrimer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And my axe!
HighSlayerRalton ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:13:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Kingdom Hearts!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope they make that joke somewhere in the game.
HighSlayerRalton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which joke?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:02:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The "Thing cover's mike's face"
I'm kinda hoping that they do it when they show the name of the world.
Mejinopolis ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 17:30:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Put that thing back where it came from, or so help meeee! So help me, so help me!
--And cut!
Killzark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:20:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great rehearsal
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:32:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...he was on TEEEVEEEEE!!!
bungopony ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mike Wazowski!
work_flow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He let me look at his car once.
EddieAnderson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and he has a chick with BUILT IN tentacles
raialexandre ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:11:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing for the Nightmare Before Christmas here. I always found it just way too creepy, and the way the characters moved was unsettling for me. I ended up watching it on tv about 2 years ago or something and it's now one of my favorite movies.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:18:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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OhShesArtsy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I find it really boring as an adult. I think the creepy factor held my attention better when I was a kid but now that I've seen actual horror movies it's just not that interesting anymore.
kjm1123490 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an adult, tim burton movies arent nearly as good as i thought they were. Theyre not bad, just not good.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:15:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a genius script when you think about it, You fully accept a WILD premise 2 and a half minuets into a film that there is another dimension full of monsters that power their own society through children's screams in a high risk facility. you get all that information very clearly and accept it. That is freegin difficult, i don't think i could explain peter freegin pan in under 2 minutes. this was brought to my attention by a podcast... We'll See you in Hell or Harmontown, i don't remember which but it really stuck in my head
_Serene_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I witnessed some kids being frightened by the movie live as well, so that's a reasonable reaction.
Personally really enjoy that movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that movie is not for kids I guess, one needs a better control over his emotions to understand it.
bungopony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, I used to watch MI all the time with my young daughters. They never had any problem with it.
One of my daughters didn't like Ratatouille, though, because of the shotgun scene.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:49:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like University deserves more credit. It tackled a subject that people don't just actively ignore, but detest. The idea that not anyone can be anything they want even with an insane amount of dedication and hardwork. But that they can still achieve greatness if only it means adjusting to the cards they've been dealt.
lageasy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVE monsters Inc. I was surprised how well the sequel was. I typically hate prequels.
Linkinito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2319! WE GOT A 2319!
[deleted] ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:08:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or the first 5 minutes of Up. I was bawling
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:57:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, no one expected it to start like that.
_Kiserai_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:01:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Adventure Book scene towards the end always gets me to this day. The music, the expression on Carl's face, all of it is just magical and beautiful and tragic at the same time. I've seen that scene many times and it's still one that leaves me congested and dehydrated when it's done.
filmicsite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:57:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That score by Michael Giacchino is incredible
ContraMuffin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:37:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you didn't at least tear up you're either a middle schooler or a psychopath. No exceptions.
SuperSulf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:01:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fully expect to cry at some point during a Pixar movie and that's half the reason I see them. Not many movies connect with the audience emotionally like they consistently do.
marylstreepsasleep ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:05:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, Monsters Inc made me cry so hard when I saw it as a kid. That stupid flute music still makes my eyes water a bit whenever I hear it.
bungopony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I first watched it with my daughter, who was the spitting image of Boo, with the pigtails and all. Him losing her door had already softened me up pretty good. Then getting that last piece - man.
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bungopony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:32:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
MU is nice, but there's little emotional resonance.
PXB_art ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If that scene were up to me, I would have had Sully open the door, confusedly look around and then we hear an adult or teen voice say "Kitty?" Smile. Fade to black. Credits.
FizzyBeverage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously the opening to Up kills me and the montage in Toy Story II with Jesseโs girl growing up - dear god I cry like crazy.
Also, otherwise awful non-Pixar/animated movie, but the end of Armageddon with the โtake care of my little girl, thatโs your job now...โ
As a dad of two little girls, I canโt make it through that one.
acyslz ยท 488 points ยท Posted at 16:11:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That flashback - along with the scene when Andy gives Woody to the girl in Toy Story 3 - hits me hard like a comet. I still remember the shock when i first saw those scenes. Very simple details make the most impact.
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 16:16:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that too. Toy story series is legendary. I, being a grown-up, never felt much attachment to even the Lion King but toy story hit me right at the nerves.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:28:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally went to university the year three came out.
I was a fucking mess at the end.
bungopony ยท 379 points ยท Posted at 16:26:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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downspin ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 17:23:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Phrasing! Are we still doing phrasing?
alfis26 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:36:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
kerbalspaceanus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
acyslz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You ruined my childhood already ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:26:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I saw Toy Story 3 I was about to go to college and it was amazing. We grew up alongside Andy
Albert_Caboose ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:39:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise. The scene of him explaining all the toys as he passed them on made me cry so goddamn hard. As a kid I had a Woody and Buzz and some others from the film, so it really cut deep.
an_irishviking ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:54:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing Toy Story 3 in the theater, it was packed with mostly adults and teens. The people that grew up with the franchise. At that moment all you heard was sniffling and sobbing. I think probably 80% of the audience was crying or puffy eyed walking out of the theater.
igo_soccer_master ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same, midnight showing and everyone in the theater was my age. We bawled together and it was beautiful.
vowell1055 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes to both of these. One that surprised me with how hard it his me was in Finding Nemo when Dory says, "I look at you and...I'm home."
ElagabalusRex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:57:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Toy Story 3 never did it for me, but its predecessors (and Ratatouille) still hit me hard at times.
PaddyTheLion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I gotta admit, I cried like a child when I first sawthat scene.
themamsler24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The summer I saw this movie my brother - who I'm very close with - was about to move away to go to college.
After Andy gave the toys to the little girl they showed him as he drove off with his car full of stuff. I cried in the theater during that scene as I realized that my brother would leave and I wouldn't see him everyday. It's weird how that moment and scene has stayed with me for 8 years.
I am constantly amazed by Pixar's movies capacity to capture the ineffable complexities of human emotions in their stories. Their movies elicit such strong emotional connections with audiences across the world. You can really tell how much thought and care their creative and production team put into every movie.
__spice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the twilight of my college years when I watched Andy giving his toys awayโฆI haven't felt that strongly in a long time
Fangpyre ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 16:52:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For the lazyโฆ https://youtu.be/kuyUKdJccgM
This scenes never fails to give me goosebumps no matter how many times I see it. The scene is full of emotions that are difficult to describe or portray. You have the critic in a state of hate with the intent to destroy. But in an instant is transported to a state of both vulnerability and love. Peace.
Skinnerโs โtraditionalโ portrayal is still amazing, but is eclipsed in comparison. He is simply torn between his hate for the protagonist, whom he wants to see fail, and the joy of the food that is probably taking him to a state of bliss very similar to the criticโs.
And the piece de resistanceโฆ that speech.
Phalexuk ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Iโm really hungry and itโs making me emotional because I started crying as soon as that scene started.
Smutandstuff ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:37:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please help me - I didn't like the film because of one glaring flaw, maybe I missed something; why did the rat decide to cook ratatouille for the critic? It just felt so random that he suddenly chose that dish about all others. He had no insight into the critic, nor his past, and no inside info that I could see the reasoning behind choosing that dish.
I'm choosing your comment to reply to because you seem passionate and smart about it, I'm genuinely asking and not being a dick.
Iocle ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 19:09:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Ratatouille is one of the most common "comfort food" dishes in French cuisine. It's highly likely that Remy, as someone who mostly self-taught, would fall back on a dish he was probably very used to making/seeing. He chose a dish that, intentionally or as simply the first thing that came to his head, reflected his humble origins and minimal formal education. It wasn't a successful dish because Anton loved it as a child; it was successful because Remy represented himself in that dish and pierced through the pretense of "craft" to truly connect through food. If it were a movie about an American chef, the equivalent would be like if he made Mac and Cheese. It's not a fancy or intricate dish, but a dish so common that even this mighty critic was forced to recall happier times when he truly enjoyed food without caring what it meant (which can be seen in how quickly he digs into the ratatouille in his flashback). It's not that he loved the dish because it was ratatouille. He loved the dish because it represented everything he lost and everything Remy is.
MoBoMoDude ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:28:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nice write up man
1life2blived ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:41:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's a beautiful description.
toastdude78 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:56:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously a crazy good analysis
leafleap ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:51:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a theory that the little old lady whose house Remy learns to cook in is the criticโs mother. Many details inside the house match up.
Fangpyre ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a good question. I didnโt read too much into it myself, so Iโm just taking a stab at it. The dish is considered rural (aka a pheasantโs dish). Whether or not the rat knew the criticโs background or not isnโt mentioned. But itโs safe to assume he did since heโs so famous. In that case, the critic would definitely have eaten it a few times at the least. My guess is itโs a dish he hasnโt eaten in a long time since itโs not fancy enough (everybody was shocked the rat did it). So even if it wasnโt his favorite itโs something he misses.
Iocle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great analysis! I agree that the fact that the dish wasn't fancy was the point more than it being his favorite. It seemed more like Remy was the first chef to cook what he thought was a good dish, rather than trying to show off to the critic. :)
Fangpyre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a great show of confidence.
mohaukachi ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:59:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Folks think his mom is the old lady from the first scene because of how the houses match up
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:04:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah read about it and I think that might be true.
ReallyForeverAlone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a comparison post somewhere or do I need to go rewatch the movie?
mohaukachi ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:04:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/cZ9jY
mrchaotica ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:10:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a bunch of people in the imgur thread saying it can't be the same woman because even though the possessions are the same the house layout is different, but what they don't realize is that Europeans are less likely to have "built-in" kitchens like Americans do and often take things like stoves with them when they move.
Linkario ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:47:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More concerned with the fireplace being on the opposite side of the door. Those dont just up and move. Didnt see any evidence of the door the kid version is coming in from exsists behind her chair either (since it would have to be some backdoor for the fireplace placement to make sense). Please correct me if im wrong though
mrchaotica ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:19:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm saying is that the building is definitely different, but it doesn't mean it's a different woman. It means the woman moved and took her stuff (including the stove) with her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's likely the 3D modellers just wanted to save some time and this got misinterpreted. Still kind of cool though.
Gorgenapper ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:24:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you notice how his complexion changed from grey to a more healthy reddish-pinkish tone?
crotchpolice ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:31:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: The producer of the film interned for two days in Thomas Keller's (aka the best American chef alive) restaurant in order to better understand French cooking. Keller was the food consultant on the film, and he said that that style of ratatouille is how he would serve the dish if the most famous food critic in the world walked through the door.
tiagopr1990 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marcel Proust.
Bach-Bach ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:52:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. It was one of the first movies I watched in full after my mom died. Iโd seen the movie before but forgot about that scene and it hit me hard when I remembered it was coming up, and cried so hard when it arrived.
EXTRAsharpcheddar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, it's like your mind hid it from you subconsciously so you wouldn't be affected while you watched earlier.
mikeynerd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:07:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Sometimes, I FFW through that part because it's just so... personal. I mean, Mom's specialty home cooked meal as a cure for everything really resonates with most people. That part just hits me. And I can't be crying while watching an animated movie, can I?
And now, I want some of my mom's fried rice...
EXTRAsharpcheddar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:26:00 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do NOT watch Up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of feeling like I missed out since I don't have a "mom's speciality home cooked meal" as a cure for everything. Leather steak and ketchup doesn't heal anyone's soul.
EXTRAsharpcheddar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much about food, but many many things, one such as the remembrance of things you've lost from youth.
I dare you to eat leather steak and catsup (ketchup?) without some tearing up.
weltallic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... and then Up is released.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow easy peasy!!! Don't remind me of that scene please.
rata2ille ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You called?
bob_2048 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I would be surprised if they didn't use Proust's madeleine as a reference for their animation of that scene:
trackofalljades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/7ywanp/comment/dujlj5e?st=JDVXLOKW&sh=4972fef1
gabriel1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was that because Ratatouille secretly grew up andearned how to cook in his the Critic's mother's home? Or am I misremembering?
impulsekash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you pay attention, they both come from the same house, hence why the meal brought Ego home.
Upvotes_LarryDavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love this movie.
2drawnonward5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched it twice and cried both times. I don't remember the last time I cried twice in one day and it just happened twice in 4 minutes.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get the reference. Can you explain some more?
JagVillTalarSvenska ยท 1904 points ยท Posted at 15:41:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, this film has not only some of Pixar's best writing and characters, but easily their best score. With it's incredibly melodic and motivic music, every single track is memorable.
[deleted] ยท 618 points ยท Posted at 16:21:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Le Festine will be played at my wedding, such a beautiful song
TimSPC ยท 388 points ยท Posted at 16:46:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was played at my wedding! We used it as our "exit" song after the ceremony and before the reception (held on the same site.)
Olaxan ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 17:04:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why Reddit is so fun
StoyaGrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no u
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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IceLife512 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:51:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mind if I steal your guys idea. Iโve watched ratatouille a million times and never thought the soundtrack was on Apple Music. Le Festine is amazing
TimSPC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course! Go for it!
potatotrip_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Une vie ร me cacher et puis libre enfin Le festin est sur mon chemin
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a male, it's one of the few aspects of my wedding I've got pre planned. Girlfriend of 3 years is also a check.
Sprickels ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:21:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The singer of that song voiced Collette in the French version
rom9 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:01:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see I am not the only fan here of that song !
tootthatthingupmami ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still listen to that song randomly from time to time.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend and I are thinking of doing the same thing!
Chomie22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was played at mine too! :)
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 15:44:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really goes well with the kitchen environment and Paris.
EveryoneYouLove23 ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give Amelie a shot if you like the French/Paris vibes :) it is subtitled, and French- but damn it, if it doesn't portray that beautifully romantic city so well.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:54:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will do. Paris is such a dreamy place.
RidlyX ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:42:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been to Paris?
saltyPeppers47 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:02:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have and can vouch for it. I went with no expectations thinking that itโs overhyped and that I will be disappointed. Turned out to be the best vacation of my life so far! Loved the place so much that I will soon be heading there for a job! :)
epic2522 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a legitimately beautiful place, people are let down only because they idolize it to such a degree that they forget that Paris is a living, breathing city like any other.
Moon_Pearl ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:14:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and that's actually what I love the most about it! As a parisian, I love that my city hasn't become a "city-museum" only visited by tourists. Paris is actually full of life, and even though I was born here and lived here my whole life I still discover new things every day :)
HeWhoBringsDust ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:31:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paris reminded me of Toronto, or Manhatten. It was a city with an actual pulse. Whereas Manhatten's was more hectic, Paris' felt more measured. The streets felt as if there was an actual flow to them
I'm not sure why people give the place a bad rep. It felt like the movies
NeonPatrick ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:49:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will add to the above positive comment. Amelie is possibly my favourite film of all time. Highly recommended.
Welshhoppo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:42:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paris is nice.
I mean I was nearly mugged last time I was there and was luckily saved by the police.
But the lourve was lovely.
hothatchmama ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:14:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I second this! It was an outstanding movie!
Fried_puri ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Great movie, even better music.
EveryoneYouLove23 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:37:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, man :p after that I became a huge Yann Tiersen fan. His stuff is so dreamy...
A_confusedlover ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:48:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to respectfully disagree, I think Up was a fabulous movie with a great score too!
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:40:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both of these movies, as well as the Incredibles, had the same man as the composer!
voluptuousshmutz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And he's doing Incredibles 2.
A_confusedlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hang on, really? Incredibles came out what 14 years ago, I hope this isn't another finding dory
filmicsite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The trailer disagrees with your statement. It looks like it might be even better! The way incredibles portrayed simple things of a middle class family trying to blend in and the protagonist going through midlife crisis is what made it brilliant!
A_confusedlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched it, I can't WAIT! It also looks like they haven't changed the animation style, this is gonna be amazing
Gamecrazy721 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Giacchino also did Lost :)
rossnolan22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Giacchino right? He also did an amazing job with the 3 new Star Trek movies! And Spider-Man!
gains530 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Doctor Strange
RoosterFarm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Inside Out. Giachino's score to that is brilliant!
Worthyness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And coco too
ShamsterSuperHamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually imagining the intro soundtrack ditty before I was reading this, haha
9kz7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Giacchino! He composed Le Festine too. He also composed most of Coco's score too, except the songs (those were composed by the same couple who composed the songs for Frozen)
Gnux13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Giacchino man. I bought the Medal of Honor: Frontline soundtrack years ago, and it's been a joy to see how many places he's popped up.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While Ratatouille has a great score (hell, my username here is a quote from Le Festin), Up is probably my favorite Pixar score. I cry just thinking about it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Outstanding. I didn't put my finger on it until the last watch, but it hit me how much I enjoyed the score. Easily my favorite Pixar movie, even if it's not their best story.
dekdekwho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was amazed how detailed Paris is!
Bill_Tremendous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I highly recommend you check the singer/author of the credit song (Camille). She also did songs for The Little Prince.
DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion: Pixar movies have a tendency to fall apart in the second half (Up, Wall-E), and Ratatouille is one of my favorites because it stays so strong throughout. The pacing is bang on, and the plot is a really consistently beautiful story. Maybe because it's a smaller movie, i can't tell.
Shogun102000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong
DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't like Ratatouille?
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think most of them fall apart in the second half. Some of them get weaker towards the end (for example, the scene with the net in Finding Nemo), but that's usually in the last 15-30 minutes of the movie, not the entire second half.
DrSpacemanSpliff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, thatโs fair. I didnโt like the talking dogs or evil aviator stuff from up. I think Wall-E in the first half was one of the most incredible things Iโve ever seen, and then the rest of the movie dragged out what was already implicit in the premise. I think thatโs it: the premise is better than the plot. Not to say theyโre bad movies, just that theyโre never as good as the beginning.
Shogun102000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Michael Giacchino is an all around bad ass.
subhadip13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only pixar, Imho it has best score in any animated movie (maybe Spirit is a close tie)
JihadiiJohn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And now it's mediocre at best
XIII-0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yea you can catch this L
[deleted] ยท 2351 points ยท Posted at 15:40:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 1012 points ยท Posted at 15:44:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He indeed is. The Incredibles, Iron Giant, Ratatouille, MI: Ghost Protocol. All 4 seriously impressive films.
flattop100 ยท 230 points ยท Posted at 16:33:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention Batteries Not Included.
Tomorrowland was sort of a stinker, though.
Worthyness ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:58:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was mostly script issues though. Plus it was a little weird with the George clone robot romance thing.
crdotx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:12:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It reminded me so much of spy kids or something. Just some wacky shit.
CastAwayStudioPub ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:53:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I loved spy kids. I never understood why so many famous actors were in it though..
zerounodos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Robert Rodrรญguez is one hell of a guy, apparently.
CastAwayStudioPub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And profitable too..
Worthyness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He was planning the spy kids cinematic universe all along!
neodiogenes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Robert Rodriguez and Antonio Banderas have worked together since Rodriguez' first film El Mariachi, followed by two more films with the same character Desperado and Once Upon a Time in Mexico (collectively the El Mariachi Trilogy).
Aside from Banderas, the rest of the actors were all kind of B-list stars, except for George Clooney, who probably did his cameo role because why the hell not.
As for the famous actors who appeared in the other two movies in the series, I have no idea.
nenayadark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:58:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Robert Rodriguez directed From Dusk Til Dawn, which was George Clooney's first major movie, so that's most likely why he did the cameo.
neodiogenes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's the connection. :)
Smytty_for_PM ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 16:44:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thoroughly enjoyed Tomorrowland, there are far too few original movies being made these days.
Viperbunny ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:02:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with Tomorrowland is it had a lot of ideas and none of them were really explored. It didn't makes sense. It could have been brilliant.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:32:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Original is not what I'd call it.
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember wanting to go see Tomorrowland in theaters when I was 19. My friend and I got super high and the only thing I remember is not being ready for that ending, cause blowing up a little girl didn't seem like something that would be in this kind of movie. The movie ended and we both sat there for a second.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers
jcgurango ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:33:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's been years.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt judge me! I put things off! Iโm going to see it eventually!
DankestHokie ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dang I thought I was the only person to ever remember Batteries Not Included. I loved it as a kid.
show_me_ur_fave_rock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen it since it came out. All I can remember was something like
Kashekim ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The main point was that predicting the future was causing the future, they predicted Doomsday
corhen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They built a device that predicted the downfall of the earth... And for some reason shut down all their space probes, scientific endevors and everything and broadcast a "commit suicide" signal to earth to kill of the earth.
The ending was weird and bizzare.
Vio_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:38:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mixing Tomorrowland and Meet the Robinsons would make the perfect idealistic future movie.
Azhaius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:59 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aw I thought Tomorrowland was fantastic :(
Dark1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:27:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was a bad film. But every great director has bad films. I think we should first look to their best rather than their failures.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 15:50:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love him
jerkularcirc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If u luv him so much why dont you marry him
RetardAndPoors ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Miss him with that gay shit
Elcheer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah if he says no homo it ain't gay
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no u
Jon-Osterman ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:35:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
except Tomorrowland
shanew21 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still gonna blame Lindelof for that one. The overall direction was fine I thought. He got good performances out of the characters.
Oh but the script.
raysofdavies ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He also worked on King of the Hill, Rugrats, The Critic and peak Simpsons before moving to film. He has one of the best CVs in Hollywood, the quality of his work is underrated.
aquamarinerock ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:34:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think heโs underrated at all.
Pm-me_your_bush ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It stinks
DAE_moviesunderrated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, he's definitely underrated.
AmericasNextDankMeme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ask the nearest person to you if they know who he is
aquamarinerock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They did ๐คช
vintagelover1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Last scene of the giant flying is a great one
old_snake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget The Simpsons. It just wouldn't have been the same without him.
shanew21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tomorrowland though.
I'll blame the script. The direction wasn't that poor, but the script definitely was. Lindelof!
JayJoeJeans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I missed the boat on The Incredible. The message I get from that movie is that some people are born better than others, and to strive beyond your place in the world will lead to ruin. Aside from that, entertaining stuff.
LargeTeethHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He did MI3 too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of these things is not like the others
Enterland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No Inside Out?!
kjm1123490 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
MI:ghost protocol is kind of weak imo. But the rest were amazing!
DefenderCone97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget being director during The Simpson's golden age
Makes_movie_concepts ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 16:54:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just recently rewatched the Incredibles. When it came out I was still in college. Just a kid. It was a fun romp.
Now I'm approaching 40, married, with a kid. I cannot help but identify with Bob and tear up during the "I'm not strong enough" scene.
[deleted] ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 17:28:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Pepperoni_Dogfart ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:54:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife cannot watch the opening scene. I don't know of any other movie that destroys you before the title card even comes up.
Worthyness ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:13:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone was really prepared for that sequence. Pixar managed to tell a complete story for one person within the actual movie itself. And it was beautifully done. That sequence could have been it's own movie, but the summed it up in 10 minutes easy. I think it could have won an oscar if it were optioned in the short film category.
kwailo73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen "Grave of the fireflies"? I need to watch it again because I have it in my mind that it's so sad to watch the opening scenes. I'd love to be wrong...
taschneide ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...fuck, really? Wow. Now I feel old.
rotten_core ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:14 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can barely get through Helen on the plane with the missiles incoming
Pepperoni_Dogfart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can only because I know my wife would perform exactly like she did when she risked her life to save the kids then forced them to be courageous in the water.
dasbeidler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:18:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, originally this film was conceived by Jon Pinkava who also was originally directing it. Things happened and Brad took over, but I wanted to at least mention this particular project isn't his brainchild.
Nightmare_Pasta ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:14:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely agreed, and they've aged so well too. I can watch em any day
Space-Jawa ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:05:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just imagine what we could have gotten if they'd put him in charge of the Star Wars sequel trilogy like they originally wanted to instead of what we did get.
Prep_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:19:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I'm in love with Inside Out. Such a strong story of coming of age through turmoil and the effect it has on childrens' emotional development. The realization that all emotions, even sadness, has it's place and purpose for dealing with struggles is a powerful message to me. And the collapse of the personality islands as she struggles against her own despair for the sake of trying to put on a strong face to spare her parents of having to help her through it and the feeling of isolation it causes....man it just gets me.
Momasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The islands, ugh. I have two girls, and I lost it at that scene when the first one went (goofiness), just full on crying.
EpicVico ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:50:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hope he doesn't fuck it up with Incredibles 2
Slaxie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely. I liked The Incredibles right away and grew to love Ratatouille and The Iron Giant. Not sure what Iโd pick as tops now. Iโve told friends who havenโt seen The Iron Giant that it is almost a perfect movie and theyโll laugh like Iโm kidding. But Iโm not. All have action, a lot to think about and feel, and a great sense of humor. And my son has loved watching them again and again as much as I have.
_Jogger_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Incredibles has a less nice message.
igo_soccer_master ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:11:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a weird libertarian borderline Randian element in a lot of his films, but it's most evident in Incredibles and Tomorrowland.
_Jogger_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:19:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aaand you went above my knowledge range about this subject.
igo_soccer_master ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:31:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To vastly oversimplify - Ayn Rand's books are built around the theme of great talented men being held back, either by society or by the government. Her characters basically have to fight society to allow them to show how great they are. Her ideal society one free of all regulation where everyone is focused solely on themselves.
Brad Bird movies, especially the Incredibles, have a similar element where this person could do great things if everyone else would just step aside and let them. The government if present is usually a villain by way of overregulation.
Iohet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an animator, he's not wrong, particularly in that era of animation, where bean counters drove Disney from the highest highs of the 90s to the lowest lows of the 00s. And that's all still in the post-Bluth fallout, who Bird clearly is influenced by(most evident in Iron Giant, but generally evident in the themes of his films, which do not pull punches). The Fox and the Hound was the last Disney project both worked on(until Bird eventually returned with Pixar's acquisition).
igo_soccer_master ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mean to pass judgement on him and his work - my bad if it appeared that way
I didn't know Bird was at Disney in the 90's, but it's neat to see how his experiences influence his later work.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:22:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is dead on, and bird also has a running theme of the "achiever" as being disrespected and laughed at by their social lessers and how that's unfair and blah blah blah. i like ratatouille a lot, but the message of "anyone can cook" really just means "i, brad bird, can cook, and you're dumb for not letting me"
Argosy37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I guess I need to watch Tomorrowland then. The message of the Incredibles was one of my favorite things about it.
igo_soccer_master ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imo Tomorrowland just isn't a very well made movie, but if you dig his worldview I think you'll get something out of it
Argosy37 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good message though, even if it's not a particularly pleasant one.
One of my favorite lines:
"Everyone is special, Dash."
"That's just another way of saying no one is."
Sylversurfer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something I just now discovered (which is probably already known by many) is that he actually does the voice of Edna Mode lmao
sudifirjfhfjvicodke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that Michael Giacchino wrote the musical score for both movies. Yes, both movies are brilliant on their own, but the soundtracks to each do a phenomenal job of enhancing them.
VF5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guess Iโm the only one who liked the original Cars (didnt bother about the sequels). It was the first movie Iโve ever watched more than twice at the cinema.
NotoriousBigkhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How did you like Wall-E?
ElementOfExpectation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucked up Tomorrowland though.
soccerplaya71 ยท 778 points ยท Posted at 15:16:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They nailed what it's like in a French kitchen apparently
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 673 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the atmosphere the film creates. You really want to be a part of the kitchen despite the harsh environment. Also, the animated shots of Paris are gorgeous and do well to express the beauty of that city.
Harden-Soul ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The scene where Remy's in Alfredo's apartment for the first time and they pan to the view of the Eiffel Tower, man...
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 16:55:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly man. Also the shot of Paris when Remy first discovers he is in Paris.
dekrant ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:20:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was always skeptical of Paris, since it was cliche. But that scene forms my archetype in my head of what Paris can be. When I finally visited, I actually found a similar view and was blown away.
Harden-Soul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've travelled a ton and Paris is the only city that really feels like something out of a movie or a dream. It's so effortless, too.
27618349 ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 16:48:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That scene also had one of my favorite soundtracks of all time by Michael Giacchino. Ratatouille had the perfect staff to create magic.
gotsnowart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Giacchino writes some absolutely mind blowing scores. This and Up are a couple of my favorite scores ever.
Mr_Ben_Benzedrine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:21:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think his name was Linguini. But Alfredo works too.
Harden-Soul ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:56:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Alfredo Linguini. Pasta pun for a Pixar movie only makes sense
Mr_Ben_Benzedrine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shoot his last name was Linguini? When did they say his first name?
yatucam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Linguine is his name. Not Alfredo.
Harden-Soul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alfredo Linguini is his full name
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:18:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being in a kitchen is no joke. You have to have passion for it.
If you don't, it is incredibly stressful and masochistic.
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:19 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like when the French couple are kissing, the tablecloth gets yanked off from their table, and they don't even notice :)
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:25:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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pukotoshana_murkals ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I recommend to read "Creativity, Inc.". The guy (Ed Catmull) had a dream to make movie on the computer. So he worked hard toward that goal, invented a bunch of stuff needed for that (just look it up), and finally got his "Toy Story". But that's only half of the story, because when you achieve a goal you were strivin for for 20 years, what's next?
superINEK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Full of rats and a health inspector tied up in the storage room?
Ennion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty apron, clean sleeves!
tkfkd92922 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They really did. And they had Thomas Keller to help with the details.
PaWiSt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thomas Keller (Owner and head chef of The French Laundry in Napa) consulted on the movie to help with the details.
mkjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Filled with rats?
Fobulousguy ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 16:21:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely my favorite Pixar movie. Just showed it to my 2 year old daughter whoโs name is Remy and she was amazed. Much more enjoyable watching this with the kids instead of Peppa Pig.
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 18:25:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, that fucking bitch peppa pig. The fucking pig version of caillou. Fuck both of those shows. If I had a kid they would be banned from watching either of these shows. I wouldn't want my kids acting like that.
Fobulousguy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:54:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both watch Peppa Pig. You donโt find Peppa Pig, Peppa finds you. Like a child version of The Ring. The ducational Peppa games are pretty good though. Lots of sorting and same/different type games. Great for 2-3 year olds.
mystere590 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:02:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was banned from watching Caillou as a kid, and as a 16 year old, I can safely say it was one of the smartest parenting choices my parents made.
bungopony ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:57:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pixar saved my ass as a father.
Make sure you pick up the Pixar Shorts collection too, for when you don't have time for a full movie. My kids love them.
Fobulousguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:29:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve only got like 2 shorts. Fed will do, thanks.
bungopony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0jfzgvvrM
MoBoMoDude ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:37:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of great kids shows out there, early spongebob and avatar the last airbender come to mind
oxymoronic_oxygen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you name her after the character or was it just a coincidence?
Fobulousguy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:42:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidence. I just happened to put on the movie recently since sheโs getting more into stories and features and then I realized... oh yeah! Remy!
lridge ยท 1585 points ยท Posted at 15:39:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is one of my all-time favorite movies period. The film is unlike anything in Pixar's filmography.
The cinematography is dark and warm and enticing. The score is delightful and probably Michael Giacchino's best work (and that is saying something).
Anton Ego is one of my favorite villains. Wonderful design. Resonant performance. He's SO EVIL, he killed a man using only his words. Terrific.
The steaks are lowered but also infinitely personal. This is a movie that doesn't end with a car chase or punching a villain, it ends with cinematically proving the sentimental and nostalgic nature of food and art itself.
From the premise, to the look, and the sound of the world, this movie is absolutely delightful from start to finish and I'll never understand why it isn't beloved the way Coco or Inside Out have been.
domogrue ยท 825 points ยท Posted at 15:45:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i see what you did there.
[deleted] ยท 429 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's rare in this medium to see a pun so well-done.
Uripitez ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:59:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You killed the joke, burning it to a crisp.
3d_truth ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:54:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You just blue my mind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess people have never heard of having a steak cooked blue. Weird.
WhtRbbt222 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, not cooked?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It had like three downvotes when I commented, but essentially yes.
Dun_Broke_Bad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:51:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The trifecta. Well done... no pun intended
goldtubb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Booooooo
AidanWoolley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I see my medium steak well done, I send it back...
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:24 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was kind of cheesy, myself...
colusaboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:28 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hat trick !
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some magnificent ideas. He is a great wordsmith - and also young? I can always tell a budding writer with a lot of promise, because there is a hallmark of him or her having done the exercise of cutting loose from the rigidity of scribbling between the lines and developing his own personal style.
lridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about Brad Bird, Jim Capobianco, and Jan Pinkava?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:16 on February 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about YOU.
lridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:57 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
aw shucks!
lridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you caught me ;)
adoptedson77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I might be missing the pun? ELI5 please?
domogrue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Stakes" are consequences. High stakes are high consequence things lile "save the world".
"Steaks" are delicious cuts of meat. I order my steak Medium-Rare for example.
Ratatioulle is a move about food. He made a Stakes = Steaks pun.
TURBOGARBAGE ยท 460 points ยท Posted at 16:06:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a reference to a real life french chef who killed himself when he lost his 3 Michelin star, from 3 to 2. He more or less told it in an interview that if it would ever happen, he wouldn't be able to handle it.
I don't see how this could be just a coincidence.
ItisBlackandBlue ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 16:48:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bernard Loiseau
Gummyvvyrm ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 16:59:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has cooked their entire working life, nothing is more saddening than losing a colleague to suicide or death by over dose.
I know the industry attracts a certain "type" but in this day and age, where there are SO MANY great and talented chefs in the world, we need to learn to accept our defeats and learn from them.
I just left a very French restaurant after only a month because the mentality was "one bad yelp review could ruin us", among other things. We can't let reviews scare us and turn food into a joyless, stressful task.
We should not want to die over food.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:18:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you for getting out, I agree with your sentiment.
CaptainSprinklefuck ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For some, it's not food. It's their art.
Gummyvvyrm ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:08:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
In the real world, those people are freaking out and killing themselves over future shit.
Don't you dare justify the deaths of my friends as dying for their art.
Edited to add: It is an art for most all of us. It's called the culinary arts. We need to take pride in what we do.
Everyday we methodically put on uniforms that have been standard for 100's of years.
Use techniques handed down over generations by the greatest chefs in the world.
We are severely underpaid, often don't ever afford to eat what we make, save for the small tastes as we make it.
We get burnt severely, cut to the bone, and miss important family events to do what we do.
I can't see explaining away mental illness on top of the sacrifices we already make as "for some people it's their art".
Tetragramatron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:33:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be an asshole. He's not "justifying your friends' death". He's merely remarking that it is more than just food. It's a passion. Its an expression. it's an identity. And other things is well. Acknowledging that people struggle with real issues instead of minimizing their problems is not the same thing as justifying suicide.
Gummyvvyrm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a pointless comment to make after my statement.
The caliber of cooks who break and kill themselves due to the industry's pressure are generally not employees at Applebees.
Stating "For some it's not food. It's art." Is, very much, justifying their deaths.
Losing all normal life and living for our "art" is something the industry even romanticized.
This is not normal. The pressure fine dining cooks face is not normal, nor is it legal. No one needs to feel like they should die over their art.
goldenboy2191 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:18 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like an awesome dude. Donโt ever lose that mental!
TURBOGARBAGE ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:51:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, thanks, I couldn't remember his name -_-. Shame on me.
Tulita_Pepsi ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:26:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy cow, it says here that he killed himself after newspapers reported hints that he MIGHT lose a star. I canโt imagine that manโs passion for his restaurant.
Sanctussaevio ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:33:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was probably way more likely the overwhelming debt and subsequent depression more than the star.
Tulita_Pepsi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure thatโs probably true.
JamEngulfer221 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly not enough passion to earn the star back.
Tulita_Pepsi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:47:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ow.
redditproha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's thought that the recently deceased Auguste Gusteau character is supposed to be Bernard Loiseau, and Gusteau's restaurant is supposed to be La Cรดte d'Or.
undertoe420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually pretty amazing that the restaurant still holds three stars today under his successor.
CleverPerfect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't lose a star
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 15:42:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Couldnt have said it better. Ratatouille is in my top 3 animated movies. Certainly a masterpiece. I see it being enjoyed by people 50 years from now.
pikachu334 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 16:09:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are the other two in the top three? Ratatouille is one of my favourite movies too, I make sure to see it at least once a year
bungopony ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 16:21:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
For me, Pixar's top 5 are Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Monsters Inc., Up and Wall-E.
I know I'm going to upset a lot of the Toy Story folks by this. (They're great too)
Edit: and Finding Nemo. I just love Pixar.
j4_jjjj ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:43:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first several minutes of Up are probably the most heartbreaking minutes of any Disney movie for me. It hits a little close to home, though.
bungopony ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:45:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's a small masterpiece in itself. Quite a bomb to drop on an unsuspecting audience.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:38:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a close second to the When She Loved Me scene in Toy Story 2 for me. Both are heartbreaking though.
bungopony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, I was watching that with my kids and totally didn't expect it in the middle of the movie like that. No, dear, daddy's just got a runny nose.
Dumpster_jedi71 ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 16:32:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Put your opinion back where it came from or so help me
sorry for the forced Monsters inc joke
bungopony ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:34:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So help me so help me so help me!
klaykid123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And cut!
lridge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a work in progress but hey, we need ushers.
eck226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And scene!
pikachu334 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Monsters Inc. and The Incredibles are two of my favourites as well!
I also really like A Bug's Life. I know I'm probably the only person to care much about it, but it was one of the first movies I owned in VHS and I loved it.
JTtornado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's because I haven't seen it in a long time, but I really didn't like A Bug's Life. The plot felt like a generic kids film to me.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JTtornado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. I never thought it was bad per-se, just felt generic. The limitations of 3D at the time have also kept it from aging well. And lastly, I didn't see it right when it came out (the heavy amounts of marketing at the time was a turnoff to me) and there was already a plethora of crappy 3D bug-themed films out by the time I saw it. The plot held up, but it's hard to mentally disassociate it with all of the copycats.
bungopony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not bad, I think there are funny bits in it. I have to watch it again though.
A_Flamboyant_Warlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Antz is better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it might be recency bias, but I'd put Coco up there as well. That movie might be Pixar's most emotional.
souprize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love all of pixar's films, but Wall-E is definitely my favorite. The rest can be deeply touching and engrossing, but none of them to me capture the optimistic sociological message of Wall-E.
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the very end, at the Peter Gabriel song, when it shows the ship coming back to Earth and it's like being cavemen for a second time. And the way they did the progressing scenes as copies of great works of art.
Bspammer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd agree with your list but replace Wall-E with Inside Out. I love Wall-E, but looking back that love comes almost entirely from the first act and the rest of the movie is mostly just forgettable.
Drikkink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like Up that much in retrospect. The first 20 minutes or so are an emotional gutpunch and would have been an amazing beginning for a movie, but it goes completely batshit crazy in the second half.
BanjoPanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:45 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're certainly gonna upset a lot of Miyasaki fans more than Pixar ones
vincoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would replace Up and The Incredibles with Inside Out and Finding Nemo but I'm basically in agreement, particularly about not including Toy Story. I definitely appreciate the Toy Story movies but they've never resonated with me the the rest of Pixar's work does.
Also, I haven't seen Coco yet so that might eventually replace something in my top 5 whenever I do get around to watching it.
bungopony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:21 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like Nemo a lot and I love Ellen's Dory, but after a few times (I've got kids) Albert Brooks becomes more and more annoying. Too many NEEEEMMOOOOOs.
Also, maybe I'm missing something Inside Out doesn't make sense to me - what are those islands, and why do they dissolve so quickly? If I have a bit of a bad experience, I don't forever discard that area of my life. Didn't resonate with me.
vincoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:45 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could definitely see how NEEEEMOOOO would get annoying if you have kids and have to watch it consistently.
To a certain extent, Inside Out is about depression/despair which are distinct from sadness. Because Riley is suppressing her sadness it also changes how she feels her other emotions; specifically, she can't feel joy anymore and only feels anger, fear, and disgust. Suppressing her sadness and, by accident, joy leads to her suppressing her memories associated with those emotions which then starts changing/destroying her personality represented by the islands (which are really a mixture of personality, hobbies, and likes).
In your comment, you mentioned having children which would usually mean you're well into your adulthood. Moving away from the only home you've ever known is pretty hard regardless of your age but an adult should have enough life experience that they're able to handle that kind of change reasonably well. An 11-year old, who doesn't have the same experience and maturity, is going to view it as the worst thing that's ever happened in her life. When you're that young, any big change or event is going to seem like the most important thing that has ever happened to you (so far) and it arguably is.
TheEternalGentleman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:28:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed with your choices 100%.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:16:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hunchback of Notre Dame and toss up between Mulan and Toy Story 3.
mikepictor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:34:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Notre Dame is my favourite animated movie soundtrack. Overall, there are other movies I like better when adding in everything else (characters, writing, animation quality)...but musically? Notre dame is the winner.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hellfire and Bells of Notre Dame are simply epic and haunting. Tony Jay was the master.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:28:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mulan for sure dude
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:53:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mulan is awesome. Some of the best shots ever in animated films belong to that movie. The action is fantastic, the humor is good, the music is great, and most importantly the story is emotional and terrifically executed.
pikachu334 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I uses to watch Mulan every single day before going to kindergarten. It drove my mum insane.
Also, The Hunchback of Notre Dame has some of the best Disney original songs and it deserves to be more popular.
ImaginaryHearts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:06 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But, but, but Iron Giant and Watership Down?
JamesE9327 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never saw it and really enjoyed this article you posted (slow day at the restaurant) I've also never seen a movie so widely and heavily praised as on this thread. I had no idea. Will definitely be watching it soon! Thanks for sharing.
johnsorci ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 16:39:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Ratatouille is by far one of Pixar's best works. I think the reason it hasn't been "beloved" as much as Coco or Inside Out could be because of who it's catered to. Coco has the huge audience of Mexican culture who saw the film and amazed at how beautiful and accurate it was. Inside Out was extremely relatable to everyone as a child, and especially anyone who has gone through depression.
Ratatouille was a beautiful film that anyone can enjoy and appreciate, but I think it really resonates more with chef's or fine artists more than the average person.
bungopony ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:45:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I found the opposite - Inside Out seemed to try too hard, and didn't really resonate with me. Ratatouille on the other hand is just damn near perfect.
Haven't seen Coco yet.
johnsorci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely see Coco. It's my second favorite Pixar film (very close behind "Up").
Yah I don't think EVERYONE resonated with Inside Out. But I think it had a larger group of people that did (than Ratatouille).
ASpaceOstrich ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:06:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dark and warm and enticing. Those are the words I was looking for. The look and feel of Ratatouille is cozy, in a way not often seen, and certainly not seen in the rest of Pixars films.
Panthertron ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:30:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs all those amber tones and rest of the films gorgeous color work, coupled with the charming music. Itโs just a really pleasant film to take in.
Keyboardkat105 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:17:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Cozy and comforting like the food they create every day.
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:39:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now I want some homemade soup.
wiithepiiple ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel Ratatouille suffered from being followed by WALL-E, Up, and Toy Story 3, the latter two are of the few animated movies to be nominated for Best Picture.
Jon-Osterman ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 16:35:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and Wall-E formed the 1-2 punch (with The Dark Knight) to expand the Best Picture category into 10 films
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:41:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then of course the Oscars went back to snubbing Pixar just a few years later. Inside Out was a way better movie than Spotlight in my opinion, and Coco was better than almost every nominee this year (Iโd only put Phantom Thread above it).
Bobby_Marks2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:00:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same way that Tangled was followed by Frozen. I thought Tangled did everything right, and was set to be one of the best ever. Then Frozen happened.
So it goes I guess.
9kz7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that apart from the songs (and even that is arguable), Tangled is better than Frozen.
Source: Am Frozen fan.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:52:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tangled is so much better.
Carnivile ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:33:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Up! That first scene must be the most iconic of any Pixar film.
guy_incognito784 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:54:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The scene towards the end where he's going through the scrap book in my opinion was one of the most powerful scenes from Pixar. Him going beyond the "Stuff I'm Going to Do" for the first time to realize Ellie had filled it out. Carl realizes he didn't fail her by not keeping his promise but rather that their life together was an adventure in it's own right that she cherished because she was able to share it with him.
Gets me every time.
Wild_Harvest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"thanks for the adventure! now go have a new one!"
vincoug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean "should have been" nominated for Best Picture? I know Wall-E wasn't, that and The Dark Knight were the impetus behind expanding Best Picture nominations from 5 to up to 10. And I don't think Toy Story 3 was nominated either. Off the top of my head, Beauty and the Beast is the only animated movie to be nominated for Best Picture.
wiithepiiple ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:43:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both Up and Toy Story 3 were nominated for Best Picture, but that was after it was expanded to 10. Beauty and the Beast was the only one before that.
Check the History section here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Animated_Feature
vincoug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:50:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I stand corrected. Thanks!
way2lazy2care ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:20:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno about Coco; that might just be recency bias. Inside out is probably beloved because more people empathize with it's themes as its literally things that have gone on in all our heads.
FiveDollarSketch ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:54:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I watched Coco VERY recently, and I can honestly say it shot up instantly to my top 3 Pixar movies. Ratatouille is still my number 1, but Wall-E has some tight competition with Coco at this point for the number 2 spot.
It's not a recency thing for me, it's a strong bond to my family, who is very spread out or not as close anymore. It's about making sure to be close to them. It's about music. It's about just so much. I have only cried at 3 movies before I watched Coco, and now (annoyingly) that number is 4. The movie is charming and heartwarming in all the right ways, and fully deserves the praise it receives.
thecolbra ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's 100% the lighting that makes the movie. Followed by the soundtrack. The warm incandescent glow just sets the mood in a way that nothing else really could.
bungopony ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:24:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't heard of Inside Out being so acclaimed. I've seen it a few times but I wouldn't put it in the top five or seven of my favourite Pixar movies. It felt like it was trying too hard.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:42:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, just because a movie isnโt in your top 5 Pixar movies doesnโt mean it isnโt great. I can think of at least 10 great Pixar movies.
ocxtitan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike almost every other Pixar movie aside from Cars 2, I'll probably not worry about never seeing it again. Overrated imo.
Gummyvvyrm ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:02:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Inside Out is the last pixar movie I will ever pay to see in theaters. They lost me between that and Monster University.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
ThisIsntGoldWorthy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm imagining a bunjee jumping cow
Drikkink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ratatouille isn't so well loved is because it didn't originally resonate with kids. A lot of the people who were in their Disney/Pixar years when it came out, just saw "Haha it's a rat cooking how funny" and not the message of it. A lot of people only really love it when rewatching it older. It was my mom's favorite movie from day 1, but it didn't really impress me the first time. I'm now a culinary student and it's one of my favorites.
bungopony ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are some amazing adult moments in it. The scene where he's trying to explain his "little friend" and she glances down for a second - holy shit.
HighSlayerRalton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille starred rats.
drumma1316 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was typing similar thoughts then saw your comment which synthesized it so well so I'll just say: ditto for me.
ocxtitan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Inside Out is the worst Pixar movie I've seen, I really don't understand why it was so well received, it's boring to me and I just didn't become attached or invested emotionally to it in the slightest.
9kz7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you have never watched Cars 2 or possibly The Good Dinosaur then.
ocxtitan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Later I did remember Cars 2 in a comment, but I'd personally rather watch The Good Dinosaur again, my daughter loves dinosaurs so that's an easy win.
bungopony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, me too. I admire it for not being a cliche, but parts of it don't make sense to me. Why would the islands dissolve completely when she gets a bit upset?
bronzebeardd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He killed a man with only THIS THUMB!
JavierLoustaunau ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 16:38:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille reminds me so much of the time I spent working in kitchens.
I had this dude who was constantly on top of me, telling me what to do and how to cook, and eventually I got him fired when I proved he was stealing tips.
I too was taught how to cook by a rat.
16610oneday ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:21:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in the industry, we call those "battlefield promotions"
goldenboy2191 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:39 on February 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ayyyy lmao
TylerDurdenUMD ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 15:53:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a pet rat, and a good 30% of the time I told someone, they yelled this movie title in delight.
5sharm5 ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 17:14:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, my ex gf had two pet rats, and for one Halloween she dressed up as a chef and carried the black one around with her all day!
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, do you have any pictures? I MUST see this!
5sharm5 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:32:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Well I donโt have any of her pictures saved anymore, but I can check instagram/facebook.
Edit: got it /u/Drink-my-koolaid https://i.imgur.com/aX5yY7n.jpg
Doreorge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That has to be the sweetest thing I have heard in a long time. r/wholesomememes
TylerDurdenUMD ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:32:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well..... unfortunately more yelled "gross" or other idiotic stuff.
rat_queen_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a pet rat who looked just like Remy...so thatโs what I named him. Cutest and sweetest baby. Rats are the best.
TylerDurdenUMD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine was a fan of spaghetti
https://i.imgur.com/OTcsADE.jpg
The_Ninja_Piggy ยท 1182 points ยท Posted at 15:24:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is my favorite Pixar/Disney film
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 339 points ยท Posted at 15:39:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine too. Its all round an excellent film.
Jon-Osterman ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 16:33:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if only r/RatatouilleMemes were as popular as r/incrediblesmemes
[deleted] ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 17:13:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve got time
redditproha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You go you! Subbed
rata2ille ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Letโs do this
Bbop800 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โYeah, Iโve still got time.โ
ItsMeMora ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing those subs, I had no clue.
Dynaflame ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why does almost every post there have "YEAH BABY! FIRE!" in the comments
Intentfire280 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Used to be that every single one of them included an "Incredible". It's just a fun little running gag . Look around a little bit longer and you'll find a couple of other ones.
intothemidwest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard that one before...
Sherringdom ยท 209 points ยท Posted at 16:20:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That and Wall-E are both astonishingly good films, animated or not, and should have been considered for Best Pictures, especially considering what they were up against:
Wall-E: The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Frost/Nixon, Milk, The Reader and Slumdog Millionaire
Ratatouille: Atonement, Juno, Michael Clayton, No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood.
Donโt think either deserved to win, but both should have been nominated.
[deleted] ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 16:32:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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mediumrarechicken ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:50:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cause the academy members only ever watch whatever they get dragged into watching with their kids or other family members. Edit: changed critics to academy members.
dragontail ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you being sarcastic?
I don't remember being dragged by kids to go see Million Dollar Baby or Life is Beautiful.
ANEPICLIE ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:57:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee he was talking about the animation category specifically
mediumrarechicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes what ANIPECLIE said.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This pisses me the fuck off. They should he required to view all of the top contenders. They should want to.
Worthyness ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:57:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To their credit, they do get best picture nominations every once in a while. I think UP got nominated most recently.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:28:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Toy Story 3 got nominated too. Inside Out and Coco were completely snubbed though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lacourseauxetoiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely think Coco was snubbed. In my opinion, it was the 4th-best film of the year and better than all but 1 of the nominees.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely think that Ratatouille would have been a better winner than No Country for Old Men.
YourHomicidalApe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Careful there... You may be crossing the line now.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually am not really a fan of No Country for Old Men. It's extremely well-directed, well-shot, well-edited, and well-acted, but the characters don't seem 3-dimensional and the movie is so oppressingly bleak at all times that I never even have much of a hope that there will be a happy ending, which means that I'm not surprised by how bleak the ending is. I can't appreciate darkness without there being at least some light to compare it to.
vincoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:39 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Wall-E does, at least compared to the movies that were nominated (fucking Benjamin Button?!), Ratatouille has a much harder case. It should have been nominated instead of Juno or Michael Clayton but it's hard to make the argument that it deserved to win over No Country for Old Men or There Will be Blood.
shlooney ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:01:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's my favorite film, period.
Nightfury1304 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:21:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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CanadianBurritos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What movie was decimals away for getting a 10/10 review from you but didn't?
romulan23 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:30:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And for me, the incredibles. Who's is Pixar's best asset between Pete Docter or Brad Bird?
xvalicx ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:55:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd give the edge to Pete simply because I feel he's been a part of more exceptional projects for Pixar.
Jon-Osterman ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:34:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
honorable shout out to Andrew Stanton
Nukleon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame disney fucked him so bad on the marketing of John Carter. That movie is way better than so many other movies of that kind and it got absolutely buried because they didn't sell it right.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:29:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At least he did a good job with the episodes of Stranger Things that he directed.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hm.....good question.
Space-Jawa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As much a fan as I am of Brad Bird, I'm going to say Pete Docter. Pete Docter is solidly ingrained with the company, Brad Bird I think of less as a member of Pixar and more someone who has a good relationship and works well together with Pixar. Even The Incredibles, while belonging to Pixar, is a movie I think of more as a Brad Bird movie than a Pixar movie.
In a way, I see Brad Bird as a Spider-Man to Pixar's Fantastic Four or X-Men, while Docter is one of the more official and regular members of those teams.
Carnivile ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:38:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Top two for me. Favorite Pixar but tied with the Hunchback of Notre Dam for Disney. Funny how both are located in Paris.
FearMyPetBeaver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hunchback is my favorite Disney too! Itโs a shame not many seem to know how good it actually is...
Carnivile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Show them the musical! I think it's amazing how great it is, takes the best parts of the Disney movie while being closer to the book and dialing back on the Gargoyles to better fit the story (and to not ruin the flow of the entire second half of the story) It's my favorite musical and this is coming from a theater geek, very good, hopefully it will make it to Broadway someday.
FearMyPetBeaver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I get the chance, Iโll check it out! Thanks for the reccomendation!
Carnivile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's on Youtube, enjoy :3
TimSPC ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a perfect movie. I love it.
abestract ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:16:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The movie was released the same year by daughter was born, and it's one of our favorites. We will never get tired of watching it.
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Our son was three when it came out, and he dressed as a chef for Halloween, in the Ratatouille chef costume from the Disney Store (when they still had Disney Stores at the malls).
edit: Which, by the way, I miss. It was nice to go there in winter for a Disney fix! The worst thing their marketing department ever did was give places like Walmart and Sears etc. the right to sell Disney stuff. If only they kept things exclusive to the stores and the parks...
Buerdax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is my favourite film in general.
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had chocolate covered strawberries for Valentines Day, and I pretended I could see swirly different colors and shapes for the two different flavors :)
PicklesofTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm right there with you. When it came out i unintentionally made plans with 4 different groups to go see it, ended up watching it in theaters 4 times and i just love it.
packageofcrips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too.
I wouldn't even be a fun of Pixar stuff in general, but Ratatouille is one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen.
PoopOnMyBum ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brad Bird's best film. Fight me Incredibles fans!
JRockstar50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a new father to a baby daughter, Coco hit me pretty hard. Probably Pixar's best since Ratatouille
goflemingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
great, but i couldn't handle the main guy's nose. for some reason it was so distracting to me
SeaTwertle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Back when I was living at home, I would watch Ratatouille and go into the kitchen and make a fancy bowl of Top Ramen with eggs and herbs and spices.
Now I cook for my husband and make legitimate nice meals and channel my inner Remy whenever I do. Itโs so much fun, and I love love love this movie. I always watch it if itโs on.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs mine too. It just feels like their most mature film. It doesnโt rely much on comic relief (I think it might be the only Pixar movie other than Inside Out that doesnโt have a silly comic relief character who mainly is just in the movie to make kids laugh), it has deep themes, and is just a beautifully made movie.
HotCheetos_and_Beer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The number 1 reason why I went to Paris!
goatamousprice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely love it every single time I watch it.
Incidentally, I finally got around to watching Coco this past weekend, and I got a similar feeling to when I watched Ratatouille the first time.
BradForS34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it Coco and when Ratatouille.
rata2ille ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aww thank you
FartingBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is Wall-E.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ride is pretty fun too ๐
Johnnycc ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 16:16:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anton Ego getting hit with that wave of nostalgia is so goddamn perfect. It completely encapsulates that instantaneous and unexpected feeling of being transported back to a great time in your past by something as simple as eating vegetables and sauce.
The whole movie is a joy to watch, but that scene ranks among Pixar's very best ever.
PhononMagnon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:01:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Involuntary memory ala Proust, it's really a great device.
AnnoyingRingtone ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 16:15:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I blame Ratatouille for my love for cooking now. I saw it when I was 9 and apparently I liked it so much that I asked a for a cookbook for my birthday a couple weeks later.
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:29:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dekdekwho ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:55:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When the film came out when I was 8 it actually made me want to eat at a nice restaurant in Paris and when I turned 18 I had the chance to go to Paris and I was so amazed that every restaurant or bistro or cafe I went to was so good no matter how busy it was. Thank you Ratatouille!
ApathyJacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your next assignment is to go to New Orleans. The food there will make you reevaluate your life.
dekdekwho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I been to New Orleans! Love the Cajun food and beignets!
Glass_Leg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What restaurant do you work in, out of curiosity?
Webzon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to his profile he lives in Lima, so Iโm guessing itโs Central
thelightwesticles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And tips for learning skills?
I am a home cook but looking to kick things up.
trackofalljades ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:37:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been exposed to Binging With Babish yet? He makes the ratatouille!
sarcasticallyserious ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:39:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef Steps did a great one too where they tried out a few variations. https://youtu.be/iCMGPRiDXQg
convextech ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My granddaughter is now 8 and this has been her favorite movie for years. She loves cooking.
Lucenia ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:15:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, when I saw it in high school. Iโd already took a cooking class at that point, but it was the scene with Remy eating the cheese and fruit at the same time that really resonated with me, and showed me why cooking was such a special process. I liked how they represented the combination of flavors through colors and music.
peargarden ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 18:00:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People always remember the moment Anton Ego tastes the ratatouille and has a flashback. But one thing I found telling about Anton Ego is his reaction before: the moment the ratatouille is brought to him. The disgraced chef, skinner, who asked to receive whatever Ego was having, scoffs at the sight of ratatouille and thinks it must be a joke. But Ego does not scoff, he is not insulted. He takes out his pen, and prepares to write notes on what he tastes. Just like any other dish.
Anton Ego does not judge the ratatouille on its history as a cheap, or 'peasant' dish. Earlier he had rolled his eyes at what had become of Chef Boyardee. Not because the Boyardee brand was inexpensive, but because the quality of the food had degenerated and the taste of it had become far inferior to what it used to be.
Anton Ego isn't just a tough critic: he actually cares about food.
hahahitsagiraffe ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 19:09:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If he doesn't love it, he doesn't swallow
Drink-my-koolaid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how his typewriter looks like a skull.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:02 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And his office like a coffin. I know what I'm watching this evening.
bungopony ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:06:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and then - the dropping of the pen.
JakeCameraAction ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef Gusteau, not Boyardee.
peargarden ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:09:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I mean Boyardee. He compares Gusteau to Boyardee after Gusteau's, similarly, started going down that path.
A_Flamboyant_Warlock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:25:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait Boyardee used to not be shitty canned ravioli?
peargarden ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:34:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Well, its founder Boiardi, was an actual chef with his own restaurant who ended up mass producing canned food products. In Ratatouille I don't remember if Gusteau had started the Gusteau brand products and it was encouraged by Skinner, or if Skinner did that himself after Gusteau died.
Zaveno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the implication was that it was all Skinner cashing in on Gusteau's image after he died
KevInTheWorld ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 16:24:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I once killed a man...WITH THIS THUMB!
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๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. Mine top 3 are this, Pirates 1 & Forrest Gump.
c0nfus1on ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 17:01:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirates...of the Caribbean? Or the other Pirates?
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:01:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I leave it up to you to guess which one is the feel good one.
terrencehedge ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:22:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The other Pirates, then.
TheMostSolidOfSnakes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ever notice how Sasha's dead pan pirate voice sounds like April from Parks and Rec?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So Pirates Band of Misfits? Yay.
superspacehero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When's ham night this week, by the way? I gotta make sure my schedule's open
PostingFromMyWorkAlt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:08:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would almost agree with you if it wasn't for the whole "park collapses and a lot of people die" part. But I do get what you mean, the parts where everything goes right and there's just so much wonder are intoxicating. Honestly, I would pay money to see a JP movie where just... nothing happens. The park works as intended, and you get to follow a family as they explore the park and see the dinos in all their majesty.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is Jurassic park a feel good movie?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Momasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely hard to explain. It's my all-time favorite movie - I think for me it also just conjures up a little memory of how I felt seeing it on the big screen for the first time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ending is pretty feel good. I can definitely see where you are coming from: When there is darkness in a story, it makes the happy parts just so much better
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine are this, The Truman Show, and The Shawshank Redemption.
dirtnastybishop ยท 259 points ยท Posted at 16:17:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is saying in this thread how Ratatouille is underrated?!
Go to any Pixar fan page or any animated studios history website and you will see Pixar's big three being discussed endlessly.
It's always Toy Story, Wall-e, and Ratatouille.
Everytime
Johnnn05 ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah seriously. Personally I'm torn over wall-e. The first part on earth is a masterpiece, absolutely one of the greatest achievements of any movie I'd argue. But once they leave it suddenly becomes much more mediocre imo
souprize ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 17:17:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its got two big themes: the environmental one and the sociological one. The latter half of the movie is exploring their social system, and then the ability for the individuals to change that system. It's a story where the antagonist is not a person, but a system: the ship itself. The issue you might have is that the two messages seem segregated and thus they don't spend enough time on one or the other. To me though, the environmental message is inseparable from the sociological one. The problem is caused by a social system, and the people that make up that system change it to then solve the environmental problem.
RidlyX ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 17:54:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not two themes, though. It's a single theme: the abandonment of responsibility. We abandon the earth because we don't want to be responsible for it. We abandon care of our own bodies because we don't want to be responsible for it. We abandon true social interaction because we don't want to be truly responsible or accountable. We abandon learning, questioning, and even our own direction to automation. The first half of Wall-E? It was a message for its time, and it remains relevant. The second half of the movie? I promise you, that message was merely ahead of its time.
souprize ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:36:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Through a lens of individualism, yeah you could see it that way. However, that's not what the film was trying to portray really. Yes, they had gotten fat, immobile, left the earth, etc. But they didn't do this just because people were "bad" or "evil", they did it because of the system they had, and the system the ship's AI continued. It was only once people took charge of the situation, and altered the course of where they were going, did things change. It's a very a optimistic story about the ability to change how a system works for the better.
epictuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could say they took... responsibility
souprize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. It wasn't like they suddenly pulled up their bootstraps. The system set them up with expectations and limited information. The results were predictable. Only when there was a variable, a shock to the system, did it change.
Therattlesnakemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice analysis, you should be an English teacher
Siruzaemon-Dearo ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:47:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first part is really great in discussing what is trash, what is valueble, ect. But then for the middle of the movie that kind of theme feels forgotten and we dont see it return till the very end
black_cat19 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:24:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel this way about Up, too. The opening of the movie is one of the most poignant, emotional and beautiful sequences ever put to film, a true glimpse of cinematic genius. And then, the rest of it is ok.
pitterpattern ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:37:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
Wall-E contains some of the greatest aesthetic heights Pixar has ever ascended to, but it's also narratively uneven, and the latter 2/3's of the movie gets bogged down by mediocre storytelling.
The Incredibles, Ratatouille, Finding Nemo, and maybe a couple others, feel exuberant all the way through, never ceasing to be thoroughly engaging.
WesJohnsonGOAT2024 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm curious (not in a rude way) how old you are. I was already an adult for all of those and Wall-E was the most original movie Pixar had done of those you listed, in my opinion.
Incredibles, Ratatouille, Finding Nemo are all movies that I feel like I already have my own 90s Disney movie equivalent of. I didnโt have my own Wall-E before Wall-E.
pitterpattern ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 28 now, so 18 when Wall-E came out. I grew up during the Disney renaissance in the 90's, but I can't think of anything really analogous to those three films I mentioned.
I totally agree that the first act of Wall-E is up there with not only the best of Pixar, but truly some of the most intoxicating cinema I've ever seen. It's just that once they reach the Axiom, it becomes very busy and yammers on. Andrew Stanton talked about how, in storytelling, you should know the punchline to your joke; you should know where the story is headed before you begin. But in the case of Wall-E, they didn't know. All they had was a premise. Just an idea, an image, really, of a lonely robot on an abandoned earth. Consequently, the latter half of the film changed dramatically deep into production, and frankly, I think you can tell.
Mejinopolis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The second act of that movie doesn't go over the same themes cause that would be repetitive as hell. I like the direction the movie went in the second act. It opens up the conversation to how humanity is currently, how we've lost our sense of individuality and conform to all the simple comforts given to us by the big corporation that we let run our planet into the ground. No repercussions, no sense of guilt, no accountability, no responsibility. Everyone is so engrossed in their own personal little hoverchair (ie. Smartphones) that they don't interact with the people around them, oblivious to the world around them (When John and Mary finally realize how beautiful space is by just looking at the stars. How long have they been in space and they never even took the time to look at the stars around them?). No sense of culture, the only culture is the BnL culture. That's why when the Captain started looking up humanity in Wikipedia (lol) he was so fascinated with everything because not only was it everything about us, it was everything we are supposed to be.
The third act deals with getting back to our rightful home and fixing it to undo the disaster we caused in the past. Humanities redemption so to speak, and that's where the first acts themes connect directly again. But to dismiss the second act is a mistake IMO, thats where the themes are most important to process - because this is how people became to get to where the Earth is currently in the movie. We didn't suddenly fuck up the planet, it was through modifying our lives to be as comfortable as possible that led to this big corporation to take advantage of our planet and exhaust all its resources. We were so blind by that point that going on a big ship/cruise wasn't that big a deal to us, and that's why they had been in space for god knows how long.
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wall e put me to sleep. couldn't get into it. i also like my morality plays a bit more veiled. like more tolkien, less cs lewis.
busmans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Tolkien with the black and white good vs. evil war epic??
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its not as black and white as you make it sound, frankly. and its a lot better than lion jesus
busmans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:15:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that Wizard Jesus resurrecting after slaying Satan is less black and white than Lion Jesus, but that's just me.
I love LOTR, but I honestly can't think of a single event or character with moral ambiguity/nuance/greyness...
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dude that made me laugh so much thank you. youre not wrong hahaha but hey faramir and boromir are def multi kayered. as is galadriel and even gollum! all struggle with power and responsibility
busmans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ok fair enough :)
eazolan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first part was simple. It set up the scene.
The actual story after that was flat out dumb.
9kz7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:55:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As you said, it's not underrated with Pixar fans, but with the mainstream general audience.
TimSPC ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:52:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I get that, but if you go to Disney World, there's almost no sign of Ratatouille at all. The only thing I've ever seen is a cook book and some kitchenware at a Disney Springs store.
JimmerUK ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:09:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just got back from Disneyland Paris last week, they have a whole mini Paris section with a Ratatouille ride (very good) and Bistro Chez Remy, a real restaurant. You have to book days in advance. All the seats are corks or cork cages, the parasols are cocktail umbrellas, and the tables are tin lids.
TimSPC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, I just looked up the ride on YouTube and it does look good.
JimmerUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, like Spider-Man at Universal, although I donโt know if thatโs still there, itโs been a while.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:48:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs definitely underrated. Sure, it has fans (including me), but from what Iโve seen most people rank it below The Incredibles, WALL-E, Finding Nemo, and at least one of the Toy Story films. And it definitely has less mainstream appeal.
terrencehedge ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:22:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen Wall-e but god damn how is Finding Nemo not up there? That's my favourite animated movie ever probably.
9kz7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some would argue that it was the last true Pixar movie until Coco. While I don't exactly agree with them, you're missing out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:34:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Up and Toy Story 3 are the only ones to be nominated for best film at all the award shows and they came right after Wall-E.
hogs94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh Inside Out?
alexxerth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sometimes Up
dirtnastybishop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The first 12 minutes of Up...
Yes, that's worth talking about.
Some people are saying that WALL-E's first 30 minutes should be thought of in the same respect (in the sense that it is the only part of the movie that deserves any merit).
I think this is a mistake.
The humans in WALL-E being so.....well, not human is very jarring for me.
I hate them more than anything besides of how much I love WALL-E, a robot.
I know it's a pretty obvious observation, but I think it deserves discussion.
Frostfright ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wall-E prior to the humans actually being introduced is some of the finest work Pixar has ever done. Watching how Wall-E interacts with the environment and the things in it, it was really incredible at the time. As soon as the actual story begins progressing though, the movie loses my interest a bit.
The first 12 minutes of Up are really fantastic as well, but unloading so much so early left me fatigued for the rest of the movie. The adventure felt so pointless after watching the depressing montage of his earlier life. I know I'm basically missing the entire point in saying that, but I can't help how it made me feel.
bungopony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
coughIncrediblescough
dirtnastybishop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Finding Dory was close to release, Finding Nemo was the talk of the town.
Whether it was about Pixar's huge risk in the process of animation, the enormous scope of the story, or the dual relatabalitily between a loving and overbearing father and a child trying to become a person of his/her own...
It was being regarded as one of Pixar's main gems (and I personally love Finding Nemo, but it does not hold up to the likes of Toy Story, Wall-e, and Ratatouille).
I think this is what is happening with The Incredibles.
Dont get me wrong.
Personally, The Incredibles is in my top 3 Pixar films.
There is just not as much to be discussed when it comes to what is important about each of the films.
That's why Pixar is so great!
It is not just about how much we love the movies.
When talking about commercial animation, Pixar challenges us on a level that only Studio Ghibli can come close to achieving.
DAE_moviesunderrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is so underrated!
PostingFromMyWorkAlt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dude, I know that it's easy for a Pixar discussion to devolve into "well yeah but don't forget <insert movie that is on an already small filmography>", so you need to stand firm and say there's a "big three" and stand by your choices for those three, but I don't think I've had a Pixar conversation in the last decade where The Incredibles has not one of the main if not the main favorite pick for people. I adore Wall-E, for example, but I'd rank The Incredibles higher
jcbubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If anything it is overratted.
PM_Nice_Nudes_Girl ยท 340 points ยท Posted at 14:59:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me, Coco is the most Ratatouilleish film Pixar has made since in terms of art, homage and culture.
[deleted] ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 15:52:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not as serious and mature as Ratatouille though.
Stinky_Eastwood ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 16:09:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The concepts in Coco are just as mature (death, family, forgiveness), it just manages to present them in a more kid friendly way throughout. The stakes in Coco are way higher then they ever are in Ratatouille.
theGreenDay95 ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 17:02:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a Mexican far from my relatives (lived in NY all my life) can confirm. To us, celebration of passed loved ones is as important as the celebration of life itself. I was never prepared to deal with recent deaths in the family, but Coco taught me the importance of remembering.
"Recuรฉrdame" had me crying for days. R.I.P. Grandma.
igo_soccer_master ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:15:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an interview with the writers of the music for Coco where they mentioned that people would play "Recuรฉrdame" at funerals; it's such a beautiful and healing song
theGreenDay95 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:36:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's equal parts cathartic, melancholic, nostalgic, and absolving. Pretty much explains the meaning of Dรญa de Muertos and then some.
Barkerisonfire_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:16 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea. That whole movie has given me so much more closure on a death within my family (Someone who died far too young). That song and the whole thought of the place on the other side really hit me hard.
brokerthrowaway ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:18:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coco may be one of my favorite movies. I'm super white and all, but it struck such a cord with me for the same reason. I've only ever really had one grandparent (mom's parents were forever-absent and my dad's father passed away early in his 50's). The one grandparent that was around, my grandma, was around for everything in my life. She really declined in health while I was 1000+ miles away in grad school. I flew in to say good bye while she was mostly unconscious and she passed away a couple hours later.
I wish my family did more for remembering our past generations. My fiancee and I will have our own new traditions though for this. I'll make sure our children know where they come from.
Anyway, I better go figure out where these damned chopped onions are.
JTtornado ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:21:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have yet to see Coco, so I can't compare the two. But I actually liked how the stakes were not nearly as high in Ratatouille as other films like The Incredibles. Having really high stakes sometimes feel like a lazy way to build tension, whereas in Ratatouille, it was so much more personal. There didn't need to be lives on the line, because you were so invested in the main characters, the finale was as important to you as it was to them.
Stinky_Eastwood ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:54:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say the stakes in Coco are very personal to the main character and his family. Nothing like a "save the world" type scenario.
brokerthrowaway ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:22:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For the love of all that is good in this world, go see Coco. Ratatouille and Coco can't be compared as they're like apples and oranges. They're both amazing though.
Coco is beautiful and moving.
JTtornado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely plan to. This fall has just been a lot busier for me than normal.
Worthyness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The disney netflix deal is still in play for this mobie, so it should be coming to netflix soonish.
JTtornado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I'll watch it, then.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, but itโs also more humourous and fast-paced.
RoughRhinos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish they didn't tac on a villain at the end. The movie could stand on it's own without the typical Disney villain. The Pixar/Disney movies become too predictable and follow the same blueprint. Should take note from movies like Ratatouille, Studio Ghibli, Etc.
Frostfright ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would agree. Coco is certainly Pixar's best since Wall-E, and possibly since Ratatouille. There are a few things holding it back though, while Ratatouille is just flawless.
_FHQWHGADS_ ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs just not Book of Life imo.
Nightmare_Pasta ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I just really love "Le festin" by Camille
was a really fitting song to this wonderful film :)
Probably my favorite Pixar/Disney film too
rom9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see I am not the only fan here of that song !
9kz7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it was composed by Michael Giacchino but performed by Camille.
ZelayaZenobi ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:58:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
A lot off topic but: I named my son Remy just before this movie was released thinking it was a safe name....but then...a RAT. The character named Remy is a RAT.
Edit: I forgot to mention I love this movie.
fishareavegetable ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:02:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love rats, and itโs a nice name that generally doesnโt bring a rat to mind.
ZelayaZenobi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate that. He's a pretty chill kid as well.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:37:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Gambit comes out, Remy will be way cooler.
ZelayaZenobi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! That is true. I want to say I'm excited about that movie (Gambit has been my favorite XMen forever) but not thrilled about the choice in actor.
bungopony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, dude. It's not like you called him Nemo.
heavyish_things ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:23:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remy is a PORNSTAR
Khalirei ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 16:17:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen it yet. Wtf is wrong with me.
yparadox ยท 240 points ยท Posted at 17:21:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is wrong with you
superINEK ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:10:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is wrong with him
bungopony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wTF
chicoconcarne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WTF is wrong with him
Sonic_screwed ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:47:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I envy you so hard right now!! Iโve always lamented my inability to see a movie for the first time twice, and to have the experience of watching Ratatouille for the first time still ahead of you, well, it kind of makes me sad and jealous.
BanjoPanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately there's still a ton of exceptional movies you have never heard of somewhere out there. Just gotta find them
feliz-dia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:41:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everything!
But really, I've seen that film more times than any other film probably.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch it. It's truly wonderful. It lacks some of the emotional moments that other pixar movies offer (it has some, but with less depth). But the art, the music, the details, etc. I really liked the analysis given in the article as well. It's really one of the few feel good movies out there. I watch it every time I'm sick. Things I didn't think about, but regardless of how Pixar intended it, I think it's a nice interpretation.
Khalirei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to find a place to watch it right now, since I don't purchase movies. Maybe youtube streams it for a few bucks.
HiiipowerBass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's dozens of us!
kosmic_osmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nothing. its a great movie but its not nearly as profound or moving as this thread makes it seem. notice how half the posts here are all people who were 'moved' by same exact scene that famously impressed Anthony Bourdain? its just foodies saying what they think needs to be said.
its a fine movie, looks great, and is very funny. you wont get much french culture out of it, nor do i think any of it is particularly moving or profound. its about a rat that cooks. a classic 'i dont fit in anywhere tale' that weve seen a million times.
mostlikelynotarobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's been more than a decade.
Khalirei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seppuku it is.
-Shenanigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, at least you get to see it for the first time!
bungopony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And watch Iron Giant too!
Not a Pixar film, but the same spirit.
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 16:39:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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cmars118 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:15:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. And that doesn't take anything away from the film, it's still one of my favorites ever. But yeah, it's not really an allegory at all.
hogs94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The rats represent poverty and people with less opportunity right? Isnโt that allegory? As opposed to just being a movie about a poor kid becoming a great chef
Siiimo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:53:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't representative of that, it explicitly is that. They explicitly say that even though the rat is poor, he can still be a great artist. To quote the movie "In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for Chef Gusteau's famous motto: Anyone can cook. But I realize, only now do I truly understand what he meant. Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere."
It would be an allegory for poverty and art if it wasn't explicitly about poverty and art. Something isn't an analogy if it just is that story.
epictuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True but I think Gusteau's motto was probably not written with rats in mind, and that's the real moral of the film
syllabic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:16:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Author of this article either doesn't know what an allegory is or just likes using fancy-sounding vocabulary in order to sound sophisticated
Maybe both actually
[deleted] ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He would also destroy Stuart Little in a fight inside the first round.
Worthyness ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:11:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, Remy is a street rat. He's got some mad skills with a knife too
Sprickels ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:25:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Stuart is a mouse, not a rat
ducksdogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's, somewhat like a mouse.
kosmic_osmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i feel like the entire point of that movie was to make you envious of rich kids toys
Jake24601 ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 15:49:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2007 will forever be only three years ago in my books. It feels so recent. Yet in 2007, 1999 felt like a lifetime ago. Now more time has passed since 2007.
Fuck, I'm old.
ImperatorMundi ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 15:59:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like last year was 2010, but think the 1980s were 20 years ago.
bungopony ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:25:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the 90s are 10 years ago, of course.
JTtornado ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:22:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As they always will be. Lol
raialexandre ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 20 years old but I feel like I shouldn't be this old yet, when I hear someone thinking about the 80s I'm like ''yeah that was like 20 years ago, long before I was born''.
It almost feels like I sped up my life like on the movie click.
Killerina ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:25:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The 1980s were more than 20 years ago? ๐ฑ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid I'll be 60 in 40 years and then say, "oh man I wish I was around for Bird and Magic in the 80s. Crazy it was just 20 years ago."
thebigpink ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years?! But I watched this in college and got high several times..oh crap
mim_moonwart ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:01:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its gonna be the 22nd century and you are still living in the early 2000s.
kmerian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just found out they are planning my 30th High school reunion....in two years.
What the hell happened?
[deleted] ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 16:06:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is the best Pixar film dont @ me
Nightmare_Pasta ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:23:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
@ u/T0mSellecksMoustache
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:43:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/2mad4madlads
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:32:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fuk
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:15:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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NotQuiteSane42 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:25:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's saying "don't reply to me," as in, "don't argue with me." Since to argue with someone on Twitter/insta, you have to @ them.
dartt ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:29:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A twitter meme. Basically, "don't reply to/argue with me".
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:38:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve always read it as โDonโt come at meโ
I believe this might have originated on twitter or some other social media that has handles. Usually when replying to someone you would have to put @ in front of the username. So when replying to something itโs usually
@username โcommentโ
So it usually means โdonโt try to argue with meโ
OneLonelyPolka-Dot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's Twitter-speak for "fight me"
aadmiralackbar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs Twitter slang basically meaning โDonโt quote me on thatโ
A_confusedlover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Up is the best Pixar film don't @ me
schmidt0905 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:28:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Pixar film. Of course there are so many that I've enjoyed (Up, WALL-E, The Incredibles and on and on...) but this film really resonated with me as a film, not simply an animated film. The Ego speech at the end, the score, the depiction of the kitchen and its inner workings, the detail in the food (I hate Ratatouille as a dish and the "Confit Byaldi" in this film makes my mouth water). It's a celebration of all things art, and all artists. I even named my dog Remy after this film. Watching it drives me to create, not only in the kitchen--but everywhere I can in life. Also drives me nuts that more people didn't appreciate it for what it was at the time, although I think that's more due to Pixar's high bar than anything.
Until recently was one of the few animated films that elicited such an emotional response from me--Kubo and the Two Strings being another that I loved. Be sure to check that out if you haven't yet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been sleeping on Kubo and the Two Strings, but am currently loading up Ratatouille to watch as im struck by "Art for Arts Sake", and have been in a creative slump myself. Thanks
Woodpile_Lizard ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 15:54:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel a little sad about this because the direction Disney took Pixar. We are to going to get such gripping animated films like we did in that golden run that gave us this, Up and Wall-e.
juliagulia287 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:37:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My three favorite Disney/Pixar films. I can't imagine anything being created that will top that trifecta. What they did without using words in the beginning of Up and throughout Wall-e is nothing short of genius.
roflmaoshizmp ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:49:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, The Incredibles has to be up there too.
juliagulia287 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:33:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For sure, love The Incredibles. Can't wait for the second one and more Edna Mode.
bungopony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"WHERE IS MY SUPER SUIT?"
Geosaysbye ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The incredibles is genius, characterization, beautiful story telling, amazing themes and perfectly relatable for every age group, I fucking love that movie Iโm wondering how the second one could ever live up to it
Pipopito ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.... shame we got great movies like "Coco"?
pacmain1 ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Inside Out
elmatador12 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:14:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was my favorite Pixar movie. Mostly because I saw it with my daughter and it caused a lot of good conversation about emotion and how all of them are valid and important. For a while she would tell me โsadness is in controlโ or โAnger is pushing my buttonsโ. It was great and will be forever grateful to that film for started an important dialogue that has continued about the importance of all emotions.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finding Dory is pretty great too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pacmain1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Monsters University, thought Finding Dory was really good, found Cars 3 to be a good animated film (but not a good Pixar film). As for Cars 2, I thought it wasn't too bad, but I understand why people hate it.
accountformymac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And Big Hero 6
pacmain1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't Pixar. It was Disney Animation Studios.
GhostRobot55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question, what is the difference anymore? Is it just the how John Lasseter allocates talent?
elmatador12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually an interesting question Iโve never considered since Disney bought Pixar and Lasseter became the head of both.
What IS the difference? (Other then the obvious, like location of the studio).
Big Hero 6, Zootopia, and Wreck It Ralph could easily be Pixar films and it makes sense why they might be confused as such.
_Meece_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is the people who make them. The reason why Pixar is so great, is because of Pete Docter, Andrew Stanton, Brad Bird, John Lasseter and Lee Unkrich.
None of these guys have directed or written anything for Walt Disney Animation Studios.
elmatador12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:35 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, all that I am aware of. I guess my point is that both divisions movies are becoming more and more blurred in terms of quality. So Pixar having all those great men, was great in the beginnings of Pixar and helped them become so successful, but Disney Animation has caught up. (Theyโve won 3 out of the last 4 best animated feature oscars)
So now, is the difference only the personnel? Itโs not a huge deal, and Iโm not sure why I care so much, it was just an interesting question.
_Meece_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're two completely different studios with movies directed and made by completely different people. Not to mention the studios being in two different places.
Super_SATA ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 16:37:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But don't you want to watch Toy Story 10?
InfinitelyThirsting ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:23:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Until the Toy Story sequels stop outperforming their predecessor, I'm not sure that's a good joke/criticism, heh.
SuperSocrates ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:57:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As if Toy Story 3 wasn't the best of all three movies.
SnootyPenguin99 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:32:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Toy Story 2 it's a little better in my opinion. Just a little mind you
Super_SATA ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Er...
supernintendo128 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:23:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't. I'm waiting for Toy Story 387 instead, thank you very much.
bookworm1999 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:51:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it's just as good as the other three I'll watch any toy story movie
prism1020 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Inside out"came out after the merger right? I think it holds its own in the list you gave.
dmcarefuldriver ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:02:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Generally I agree with this, but as other comments have pointed out, Coco was very similar to Ratatouille in style and was just as great of a movie if not even better imo. Despite movies like Cars 3 and Monsters U (neither of which were bad BTW, they just werenโt anything special), Pixar still knocks it out of the park occasionally.
Worthyness ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:10:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If them creating a sequel or two gives us a coco and up every couple of years, then sign me up. The sequels make a ton of money and that keeps these creative people employed for as long as they have stories.
Bobby_Marks2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:07:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the wrong way to look at this. Not only was Inside Out groundbreaking for psychology, but The Good Dinosaur dealt with loss and growth as maturely as any other Pixar film. At the same time, the old Disney Animation Studios would have never taken a risk on something as heavy as Zootopia's racism.
We didn't lose Pixar. Disney gained John Lasseter.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then he turned out to be a sexual harasser.
shadowinplainsight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
John Harasseter
PostingFromMyWorkAlt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't fully disagree because I haven't seen Coco, but despite the fact that we're getting more sequels Finding Dory (which was still good imo even if it wasn't Nemo good) and Cars (awful, true), Inside Out was very recent and as far as I'm concerned it is now a titan in the canon of Western animation. Just as deep and cutting as Wall-E and Up...and one that was interesting because I was affected by it, and it wasn't really even meant for me I don't think. My little sister was only slightly older than Riley in that movie, and at the time she'd been dealing with the troubles that come with growing up and challenging yourself and beginning to self-actualize as a human being, and the movie rocked her to her foundations. I would even go so far as to say that in the last few years, she has been very different than the kid I grew up with (very confident and responsible and just a functioning human), and even though this was gonna happen naturally like with everyone else who's grown up in the entirety of human civilization, I can pinpoint that was a different person before and after that movie.
Kind of ranted a bit, but what I'm saying is that by no means is Pixar done. They're got plenty under the hood.
Speaking of Coco, how was it? Genuinely sad I missed seeing it in theaters.
colbinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can still find it in some theaters, surprisingly. Disney has been keeping their last few animated films in the theater for a long time. That said, it will be out on DVD/BD next week, I believe.
If you love Pixar movies, you need to see it. It's beautiful and the story is lovely.
Hiro-of-Shadows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All three of those movies were released after Disney bought Pixar. In more recent years they've also released Inside Out and Coco, two of their absolute best imo
_Meece_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate when people say this.
Go have a look at the guys who directed their best films, and the guys who directed their "worst" films. Only one person crosses over and that's John Lasseter(He did Toy Story and Cars)
Brave, Good Dinosaur, Cars 3, Monsters U. None of these were directed by Peter Docter, Andrew Stanton, Brad Bird or Lee Unkrich. They all took a little break after Toy Story 3.
They've come back from their break and put out Inside Out(Docter), Finding Dory(Stanton) and Coco(Unkrich). All 3 of which are fantastic.
iamsplendid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is so true. Pixar hasn't been the same since the Disney acquisition. In fact, it's fairly obvious that Disney is the studio producing better work. Look no further than Big Hero 6 and Tangled.
phantomknight321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with most everyone here on all but Wall-e. Itโs one of the only Pixar films that never really worked for me, I dunno why. I would place The Incredibles in its place in my opinion as the big 3.
brainstrain91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pixar still makes great movies, they just have a few money-makers in between. Not the worst trade-off in the world.
IceLife512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wall-E was one of my favorites along side ratatouille. Itโs crazy how much meaning they have when you realize itโs not just a movie for kids.
matthias7600 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Toy Story 3, still great Inside Out, quite good
internetlad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:18:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatoing followed suit.
DrewBreakman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely.
MadDany94 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:28:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like the movie as a kid. Saw it as a fun kid's movie.
But now as an adult, after reading this article and remembering the movie. Just reminded me how amazing pixar can be.
shoddy86 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a sound mixer this movie has the best sound of all the Pixar movies in my opinion
Arsey56 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:40:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair play it is fucking good
zombiesingularity ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:27:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen this movie probably thirty times, it's my favorite animated film.
Hautewerk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:23:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hi all, this is Leigh Monson, the author of this article. I just wanted to say that I was dumbstruck, blindsided, and blown away by the response to this Reddit post. I'm really proud of what I wrote here and I'm so happy you all liked it. I certainly wasn't expecting it to get such a resurgence 8 months later!
If you want to continue following my film content, feel free to follow me on Twitter, @LeighMonsonPBF. Again, thanks so much! You've all really made my day.
SurrealMemes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats
stayathmdad ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:03:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Story time, Wife and I are watching Ratatouille when I hear a snap in the garage. I had recently put out rat traps. So being hopeful I went to the garage and open the door only to find that yes indeed a rat had tripped the trap. However, the metal bar that is supposed to break it's neck missed and ended up ripping the face off of the poor bastard. He is still alive and blood it pouring out and bubbling with ever breath. I run to grab a big dowel to finish him off and end his suffering. When I got back the rat was gone but there was a rather obvious trail of blood to the corner of the room. Find him trying to walk through a wall (he can't see as his eyes have been ripped apart). I line up my break your neck shot and swing. Of course he moves and I end up breaking his back by his back legs. Now he is screaming and thrashing, blood flying everywhere. I start beating the he'll out of him hoping to end his misery. After what felt like forever the poor rat dies in a giant mess of blood, fur, and offal. Somberly I clean it all up and dispose of the corpse. Walk into the house and calmly sit down to finish this delightful film about a cute rat that is a wonderful cook. I felt awful.
wafflepiezz ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:08:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
jesus, dude
bungopony ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:00:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, no sequel then.
dc1-3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:10:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
evenablindsquirrel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:22:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God, your story is like my rat story just got made into a movie.
In my version, the trap was in the house, behind the refrigerator. It's one of those "jaws" traps and just like yours, it smashed on his face. But in my case the trap basically had the rat gripped by the face. It was 2 am and my wife woke me up saying "you have to deal with this". I had no idea what to do, but here's the rat crying and squirming. I have my wife give me a towel, and hard and fast as I can I squeeze to crush it. Rat goes limp - I figure it's done, but within ten seconds it starts convulsing like all hell. In a panic I crush it one last time (this time the head).
So, no movie being watched, but the ending is the same: somberly I dispose of the corpse, walk back into the house, look at my wife in despair, and crawl back into bed. I felt awful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in the country in an area where we would get tons of mice. Just tons of them every spring. Everywhere, in everything. It was awful. I appreciate the sentiment of Ratatouille, but the idea of rodents in the kitchen is just too much for me, from my own personal experiences. I've seen the movie once, and that was enough. Nothing against it, just can't watch it.
TastelessCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:40 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh
divad745 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:47:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So let me tell you what's going to happen because you left this post, OP. When you read this I'll be on my way, gliding over lawns and pavement in a beeline to your home. Your doors will unlock and open themselves for me. Any barricades you've set up will dismantle. Do you have weapons? I invite you to try to use them on me. They will not work. When I find you I will pick up your tiny body and hoist it above me by your waist. Your shirt will keep lifting up to expose your pasty lower back and midriff, which I know you are self conscious about. I'll parade you around your home town, your school, and the local markets, and everyone will point at you and laugh. You'll keep trying to grab the bottom of your shirt and cover your exposed torso but I'll keep lifting it up again, exposing your pale skin to the cold breeze, I will throw you in the river. Every time you swim back to shore I'll be there to pick you up and throw you back in. I'm sure you felt clever writing this comment. I'm sure you felt like you left a stinging welt on my ego. Get ready, OP.
Choppergold ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:43:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will sometimes play Ego's speech on art criticism just to be sure it was as genius as I thought it was the first time I heard it.
TimSPC ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:47:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad there are so many other Ratatouille lovers out there. I feel like it sometimes gets lost in the Pixar canon, but I think it's their best.
A.O. Scott's review captures so much of what makes it great: "It provides the kind of deep, transporting pleasure, at once simple and sophisticated, that movies at their best have always promised."
deepvoicefluttershy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:07:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His review is brilliant and heartwarming.
bollykeys ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The irony of today's movies is that social messages are delivered in kids movies while grown-up movies are often for mindless entertainment
XJ-0461 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:52 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Media for children has always been filled with life lessons. Just take a look at fables. The tradition goes back centuries and millennia.
bollykeys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:20:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True but the level of details added to these movies are just incredible. Take Wreck it Ralph for example; I for one feel heck lot of motivation after watching it.
ifyouareoldbuymegold ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:56:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Ratatouille, it was messed up.
A very hard-working second in line chef inherits a restaurant when the ownner dies. He has lot of ideas to make it more proffitable.
Despite this , a clumsy noob with no idea asks for a job and the chef agrees to hire him. Obviously the noob eventually fucks up and the chef has to fire him.
Then it is discovered that the noob is the son of the late ex-owner, inheriting the restaurant. And what's the first thing he does? He fires the chef. He fires the same chef that has worked hard for years with his father and who gave him an opportunity when he had no idea, but he doesn't care and he fires him.
Obviously the fucking noob is a clown who doesn't care about anything and he ends having the restaurant closed by sanitary reasons.
I_WANT_2_C_UR_FEET ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's my favorite of the Pixar movies. It feels the least "Pixar-like", which is a good thing.
bungopony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wat
I_WANT_2_C_UR_FEET ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:34:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is a Pixar movie but does not have some of the feelings and characteristics that most Pixar movies do. And, possibly coinciding with that observation, I think it is the best Pixar movie.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was among the first people to ever see the movie because I was on a disney cruise ship in europe. Such a fun night. Same with Lilo and Stitch way back in the day.
Mrtheliger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatoullie is one of those movies that won't receive the praise it truly deserves until loooong after it came out.
bungopony ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd never seen that trailer for it before. It's great.
yourunameisnotunique ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, thanks, I had never seen it too..
heytherehs13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite movie of all time. Itโs just breathtaking
cobysev ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:20:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Scanning the comments, I can tell this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but... I actually hated this movie when it came out.
It was the hair thing that really broke the reality of the film for me. A rat, pulling on the hair of a kid, is able to control his hands? That was just too far-fetched for me to accept and made the rest of film difficult to watch.
Yes, I understand that there's a certain suspension of disbelief required for an animated film (it's the story of a talking rat, for crying out loud!) but I just got too wrapped up in how pulling on handfuls of hair could essentially turn a kid into a marionette.
And it's been a while since I watched it, but I don't remember the kid actually learning anything. He accepted all the praise, all the while not having any clue what he did because he was just a vehicle for the rat to cook. Maybe I'm wrong; I watched it once when it came out and I haven't seen it since.
The massive amounts of praise for this movie in these comments has finally encouraged me to watch it again. If so many people love this film, there's obviously something I missed in my first watch through. Hopefully I can suspend my disbelief long enough to enjoy the story this time around.
Apr0p0s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
A talking rat, in cartoon form, you can suspend disbelief ...
But you draw the line with said rat pulling on kid's hair to control the actions of his hands/arms?
cobysev ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, I mean, I grew up with cartoon taking animals so that's a concept I can relate to. But how does head hair connect to your limbs? When has anyone ever grabbed a fistful of someone's hair and made them dance like a puppet? It's just so ridiculous and out there. What are the rules of this crazy behavior? Does it affect everyone in this movie or just the kid chef? Is this a known concept in this universe or is this the very first instance of it ever happening? Does the kid feel compelled to move or it is completely involuntary? Would people just go limp if you grabbed them by the hair?
There's just too much to process and not enough answers. It just made me mad trying to watch this movie and I decided it was a poor concept for a movie. Again, I plan to watch it again and see if I can overlook that one thing. But we'll see.
Apr0p0s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You've put some thought into it. Lol. Fair enough
davedubya ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:25:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thread recently on r/movies regarding "masterpieces".
Ratatouille is probably Pixar's masterpiece.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd say Pixar has multiple masterpieces. Ratatouille definitely is one of them though.
karmatiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is also in /r/movies
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the HELL, 10 years?! I still haven't seen Ratatouille, and I'm still in the mindset "Oh I have to watch that last Disney that recently came out, everyone is saying good things about it"
Time f*cking flies
mexicanninja23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from the first Toy Story, this is my 2nd favorite Pixar film. Beautifully made.
themightykunal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:07:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair play, it is fucking good
ButtSlamingtun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it stop being a striking allegory of art and class after 10 years?
BClTgrad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:37:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT THE FUCK 2008 WAS NOT 10 YEARS AGO
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:30:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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karmatiger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:48:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right ;)
PropaneSalesman7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:03:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kino.
High_Violet92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Pixar movie EVER!
Category5worrycane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By far my favorite animated movie. It's hard to believe it was made 10 years ago, damn I feel old.
Spyrothedragon9972 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I'm getting old.
Through_Traffic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I teach math and tell my students that โanyone can do mathโ just like โanyone can cookโ
katieb2793 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am watching Ratatouille right now with my kids, and it is my favorite Pixar film.
Feierskov ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the greatest animated movies of all time.
E_EqualsDankCSquared ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So glad to see the love for Ratatouille here. My favorite animated movie ever. It's so aesthetically beautiful
Makeup_momma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is easily my favorite animated movie and in my top 10 all time favorites.
What always struck a chord with me was that something that doesnโt belong and that isnโt worthy, could still rise to become something remarkable.
Zanchbot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite movies of all time, and Pixar's best, imo. I work in a kitchen myself, no other restaurant movie has ever spoken to me in the same way that Ratatouille does. I've lost count of the number of times I've watched it.
Letracho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Pixar movie. I'm not the kind of person that re-watches moves but I make an exception for this one.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is my favorite Disney Pixar movie
TrapCardLol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite movie
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love this movie. I hadnโt seen my dad in months and one afternoon he just came to my house asked my mom to take me to the movies and we went to ratatouille. Even without that memory itโs an amazing movie.
Frostfright ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still my pick for best movie Pixar has ever made.
Lanifeibor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"One can become too familiar with vegetables you know!"
sillykatface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone see that thing (I think it was a Reddit post??) About a guy who HATES this movie, and his Uni mates would have a movie night every week, but they'd change all the movie posters into Ratatouille based ones? It was fucking classic.
sillykatface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here it is
https://mashable.com/2016/06/06/ratatouille-/#FCKvIpX6xaqs
TheTekknician ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If memory serves, they actually found that in the US the movie had a somewhat moderate viewing, however in Europe it was a hit in the theatres way back when.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And ONE year later, my blu ray copy still sits on the dusty shelf of some FUCKING 7 year old boy my girlfriend once babysat GODDAMNIT.
ObscureMeerkat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This movie will always be special to me, not just because itโs a great film but it was the first movie/date my girlfriend (now wife) went on all those years ago. We still watch it maybe once a year just to laugh at how awkward we both were as kids/early teenagers lol
daftne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This film was the first time I had felt any kind of real inspiration from the outside world; it coaxed me back to the land of the living after 4 years of floating and ignoring the world. It still took another 6 years before I fully returned, but it was definitely the tipping point for me to start waxing again.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:21:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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fitnesscakeinmymouth ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:33:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
His name is Linguini you uncultured swine.
NewDayDawns ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I have no idea what people are thinking. I always think of this as my least favorite Pixar movie. It has that amazing quote at the top of this thread, but that's literally the only good thing about it I can think of.
I barely remember it except that a rat somehow controlled a dude by pulling his hair, and overall I remember being pretty bored during it. Probably a perfectly fine movie that just seemed dull when compared to great movies like WALL-E, Up, Toy Story, etc, but I don't know why people love it so much here.
HMBadass ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:15:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just didn't buy it. How exactly does pulling someone's hair control their arms and hands? I mean, people are not puppets. This ruined the whole movie for me. Doesn't make any sense.
bungopony ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:59:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't have a problem suspending belief on that. That scene is just such a comedic gem I'm too busy laughing.
NewDayDawns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have had trouble suspending belief on it if the rest of the movie impressed me, but it didn't. Illogical stuff is only bothersome you when you aren't enjoying the movie.
bungopony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I find it really warm and funny and damn near perfect. But I guess your mileage may vary.
blurmageddon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've tried watching this movie twice; making it all the way through only the first time. It's cool people seem to love it but I'll never understand why.
robbierottenisbae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yah other than the content involving Anton Ego, which is spectacular, the movie always seemed fairly mediocre to me. Then again I thought Incredibles was mediocre when I was a kid and actually find it a lot more interesting now that I'm older so maybe Ratatouille would be similar but I haven't seen it since I was like 10
baronspeerzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more than it's pretty exclusive. I don't think that it's possible to feel the full impact of that movie if you're not a passionate artist of some kind.
NewDayDawns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:23:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, that comment just comes off as mean, though I doubt you meant it that way. Sounds like "you just aren't good enough to get it". And I disagree completely.
I'm plenty passionate about my art. And anyone can understand passion regardless of whether they are an artist.
RocketJohn5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are definitely not in the majority, if that's what you are asking.
mikepictor ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:33:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's possibly Pixar's best film
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you like Remy as a character? How was Linguine annoying? Remyw as likable as a god damn rat who just loves to cook. He also wanted to be accepted by his family for his uniqueness, and he followed his dream just like anyone could. Sure, there's a lot of monologuing that lowers the standard of character development, but it's also a kid's movie that gets enough of the point across without just vomiting plot.
Linguine may be unlikeable for being filthy and not really deserving his position at all. He recklessly messed up a soup order (which only makes Remy's save that much more impressive), and then he lands a huge job as a chef in France while doing virtually nothing. But he persists, and he isn't the main character but deserves some criticism no less.
I think just a character analysis doesn't do this film justice. Think of all the grandeur of fine dining in the world, and France comes up. The world's best chefs are all in Paris, one of the art capitals of the world, and at the epicenter of all of that is a rat, one of the most feared and unwanted things to go in a kitchen. It's a very rewarding movie that greatness can come from anywhere, and even if the characters aren't likable to you, they serve their purposes well.
mickeyflinn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think it was bland, I thought it was lousy.
bryanisbored ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:46:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. You're literally on a threat about how great the movie asking if anyone else dislikes it. It's a good movie so what do you think....
mechwarrior719 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:29:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. I thought it was just a story of a rat that uses a ginger as a puppet to become a master chef. My bad.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:50:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/moviescirclejerk
harrison5394 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this cartoon is about art and class!
YoDudeguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man I love this damn movie.
itlynstalyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is so terrified of rats she refuses to watch this movie.
bitwise97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else get Ratatouille vibes from Coco? Two of my favorite Pixar movies of all time.
xEman26x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about this movie earlier this week and how much I love everything from the music and the ratatouille itself and I'm about to make that dish in the near future.
CaptPicard85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"...little kids during Halloween would be coming up to my door, dressed as my character, Remi the Rat. I was so taken back by it, the first thing I would say to them would be 'You know you're wearing my skin right now, that's me!'..."
-Patton Oswalt
Spurty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille inspired me to attend culinary school back in 2010.
I'd always had an interest in food from a young age as my mother was a fantastic cook. After seeing the movie, I enrolled at Le Cordon Bleu in London. I graduated with a Cuisine Diploma and went on to work in the restaurant industry for about 5 years, including opening a restaurant with a couple of partners. I ended up leaving the business and transitioning into a food writing but I still love to cook and would love to open another restaurant some day in the future.
I still watch the move from time to time. It might be my favorite, I'm just fortunate my wife loves it as much as I do!
convextech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, I just watched this again yesterday with my granddaughter. We both love this movie and now that she's 8, she loves cooking. Makes me record Chopped Junior and all that. I took her to a Chef Junior class on Saturday and she really enjoyed that.
My other favorite cooking movie is Chef. Love Jon Favreau, too.
brazillion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best Pixar movie in my mind. I just love movies where the city itself is a character.
SuperSceptile2821 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dislike this movie for personal reasons but I will not deny how good of a film it actually is.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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bungopony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it's such a fucking funny scene, I just don't care.
karmatiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're good with anthropomorphized rats capable of reading recipes and using knives etc., but the hair tugging is what broke your suspension of disbelief?
redditproha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Ratatouille is probably my favorite animated film of all time and I've never thought of it in this allegory. I'm even from a minority. I wonder if the writer's viewed it this way or if this perspective is just being extracted by the writerโฆ very interesting regardless.
The movie is a masterpiece. There are so many layers to it and this just adds to that. The Oscar was very well deserved. In fact it probably deserved more.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pixar made a string of highly enjoyable animation movies, that were more targeted to adults...in my opionion, but anyway...very very good ones. Monster Inc, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars, Ratatouille, Wall-E, up.
And then...nothing. I do not know hat changed, but they kinda lost their mojo. Inside out was a nice try, but not up to the level of what was done before.
karmatiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Disney took over and structured the films based sequels and the toys they could sell rather than the love of the story.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Disney. Look what they have done with Star Wars.
karmatiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:29 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was kind of my point.
AFlyingNun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always appreciated how they didn't do some corny fantasy ending regarding the tied-up cook or the rats in the kitchen. No, they treat it realistically and the restaurant gets shut down. It's nice to see such a movie not write off logistical problems and say "it's a kids movie!" and instead find a way to write a happy ending despite the problems that remain.
_rand_mcnally_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
from a rendering pov this movie blows my mind, it's before image based lighting was the norm and some scenes needed over 250 lights to craft the mood. the renders were about a day a frame if I recall correctly on Pixar's massive render farm - borrowing computing power from ILM. Renderman has come so far since this movie, but this movies 3D lighting and compositing artistry set the bar high for me. please feel free to correct me if anyone knows differently - I am getting all my info from the Pixar exhibit I saw in Boston a few years ago.
Jesepe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I lost my virginity while this movie played in the background.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now thats a cool story.
lannister80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still my favorite Pixar movie.
Yog_Sothtoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I can not avoid to see it (also) as a metaphor for the situation Disney was in: once great studio which is now fallen, that earns little money with awful direct-to video flicks, that is being saved by smaller talented company with a real love for the art
hahahitsagiraffe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's genius
Yog_Sothtoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's astonishing how many layers they can cram into their movies. You can literally watch them a million times and you'll always find something new to talk about.
FrankBeamer_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer this version
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember coming home from the pub so drunk I could barely see, stuck this film on Netflix and it was the most terrifying ten minutes of my life.
eldestsauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truly a masterpiece.
PlebianStudio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was easily one of the best movies I have ever watched. Moves me every time.
crescentfresh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Question to other parents: have your kids liked Ratatouille?
I have tried to get them to like it as much as I, but no luck. They love almost every other pixar film they watch, Incredibles comes to mind by the same director, but this one they're always just "meh".
PastelNihilism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was dating a guy with a son a year or two younger than me. We were at theater and had the option of ratatouille and transformers. The boys took transformers, mom and I took rat. The boys left disappointed, we sure af didn't.
Loydzero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years later and I still tell myself that I should actually watch it sometime soon.
davidodorito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me so happy seeing the love for this film on this subreddit :')
secretraisinman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only thing I didnโt like about Ratatouille was the girl suddenly realizing she liked the guy when he kissed her, when she dropped the Mace. Really odd and kinda offputting. Loved the rest of the movie though!
TheTurnipKnight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely my favourite Pixar movie.
reble02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We gave it the reddit hug.
motley_crew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've scrolled through all the top comments and not a single one even vaguely references the actual article, which is all about white privilege, intersectionality and the rest of social justice themes. pretty sure everyone just saw the word "Ratatouille" and went off with their comments. It's like "allegory of art and class" is invisible.
CryptoH2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get hungry when watching this movie! :)
JoeFromSewage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Incredible movie but this headline annoys me. If it was a striking allegory of art and class 10 years ago itโs not a huge surprise that it still is. Amazing story from 2008 remains amazing! That wasnโt that long ago, this ainโt Beowulf.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't seen Ratatouille until a few months ago. I don't know why, it was just never on my radar. I didn't even know how the movie was received by audiences.
Movie hit me like a sack of bricks I was not ready for that. I forgot, it's a Disney movie. You will cry.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those films my kids would watch once a day when they were really little. Better than Frozen, I suppose
staockz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great movie with heart.
Coollook7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Released June 29th 2007, Feeling old yet?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love this movie...
Such good filmmaking on display here. Plus, Patton Oswalt!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Talks about how the movie is Art and class but doesn't post any pictures of the movie artistic style and class. 10/10 article.
HvyMetalComrade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Such a wonderful movie, though I wonder if it was created simply from a pun or if there was already more meat behind it
brianbuckler812 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:05 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years ago I went to the movie theaters with my dad to see Transformers instead of Ratatouille. I convinced him Transformers would be better. I have not forgiven myself for this error and I continue to apologize to him to this present day.
Kahmael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love this movie. It's my favorite Pixar, hands down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:15 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I swear this movie made me find a hobby in cooking. It's my favorite pixar movie for a reason
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Class envy is evil and prideful. I weep for this generation deluded into hatred and seeking utopia. Marxism has already suffered 100+ million innocent souls. Never again.
decoste94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are we saying Ratatouille came out 10 years ago...
spectre_neuf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:48 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Omg guys, this is my favorite movie.๐ฟ Iโm currently sitting here bathing browsing Reddit (high as fuck) when I came across this post and hesitated to click on it. I knew the moment I opened the post, I would upvote everything (being the lurker I am). I was right... thought you guys should know. K bye
jstravin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was posted on June 29 2017. Why are we reposting it now? This movie is amazing and exceptional, but what does February 20, 2018 have anything to do with it?
Jet147 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:25 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I loved about Ratatouille was that it was sold as a kids film about lovable talking rats and their hijinks, and for the first 5 minutes that is exactly what it is.
Then suddenly and for the rest of the film (with the exception of one short scene) all but one of the rats disappear and the one that is left becomes mute. The film then unveils itself as a comedy drama about Parisian Restaurant culture.
Iโm sure plenty of kids felt short changed, and possibly bored, but it was wonderful surprise for put upon adults weary from the usual inane cartoons and hyperactive superhero films they sit through with their kids every day.
modelshopworld ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:14:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At risk of being a stickler, I wouldnโt say itโs an allegory as much as itโs a general metaphor, and at best it employs roman ร clef to express that metaphor. And highlighting the grand theme of a work, as this writer has done here, isnโt interchangeable with calling it an allegory. The one allegorical element that does come to mind is Anton Ego, who represents ego and pretense, obviously โ and allegories are always relatively obvious.
But there are much larger issues I take with this article. For instance:
Again, allegories donโt represent such profound notions like the one named in that excerpt. But more importantly, I take issue with the idea sheโs asserting here in general (or at least the wording of it). Nobody is โdenied accessโ to artistic expression. People may be denied exposure of their artistic expression, but everyone has the means and methods to artistically express themselves. To say otherwise is to say that nothing is artistic expression unless it is given approval by the ruling, โaffluentโ class. And in saying that, this writer is ironically reaffirming the higher classโ power that the film strives to denounce.
This is just blatantly incorrect and the writer is willfully ignoring the events of the film to make her point more convenient. Linguini is the garbage boy, and he is employed as a chef only after he tries to fix a bowl of soup (in which Remy takes the reigns), and afterwards the soup is a roaring success. Since the restaurant is on the verge of dying โ no longer the cultural symbol it once was โ the other chefs campaign for Linguini to be added to the staff out of desperation to save the place they love. He is not just assigned the title chef โfor no reason other than who he is.โ Thatโs either egregiously poor comprehension, or mediocre manipulation of your audience.
Again, no. Linguini is โskating byโ because he was advertised as the restaurants new genius chef and is a local celebrity, because of Remyโs ability. At no point in the film is Linguini publicly observed having any culinary talent, much less the โtalentsโ she helped him โrefineโ โ kitchen etiquette and fundamentals Collette trained him on because of his ignorance in the area. The entire premise of Linguiniโs character is that he has zero culinary talent to the degree of being clumsy at kitchen etiquette, despite being the son of a famous chef (i.e., the theme of it being okay to not mirror your parents or expectations on you because of them).
Itโs not like Collette is analogous to the women writers in early Hollywood where male producers and filmmakers would have great successes because of these womenโs important but unrecognized contributions. She taught him kitchen fundamentals... Again, Linguini was โskating byโ because of his celebrity and perceived โnatural geniusโ in cooking, not his incredible etiquette methods.
Finally, this is the most asinine point asserted in the article, and where the writerโs argument begins to transform at will and fold in on itself. I can agree with the film representing class disparities and such, but the first sentence in the quoted paragraph has nothing to do with class โ unless of course, the writer presumes any of the identifiers after โpovertyโ inherently makes people in those groups members of the lower class.
That of course isnโt true, and not to mention that the art world has been famous for propping up figures of different genders, races, sexual orientation, or immigration statuses who donโt conform to the norm since the 50s, undeniably so since the mid-late 60s. (Some might argue that the art world prefers to accept and highlight individuals from those demographics, for reasons that include both sincerity in diverse representation and as means of commercial exploitation.)
Sheโs no longer arguing what sheโs supposed to be arguing, and this article turned one of the best animated films (or film in general) of the century into an off-based political fart of projection.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to check your daughter. She might be depressed
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yaaaasss! Ratatouille has always been my favorite Disney movie, and I feel it's been underrated. I love the music and so many of Gusteau's lines. It's so inspiring and simply a beautiful movie!
DAE_moviesunderrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Such an underrated gem that nobody praises ever.
ThisIsAThrowawayMmm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille saved me from literal depression. One day I was walking home from school and went to the convenient store to buy some rope but I happened to spot ratatouille on the shelfโs. I bought the rope and ratatouille and told my self โif the movie is shit imma kill self. Little did I know this is the best movie Iโve ever seen. It was new light in my life and inspired me to have rats in my kitchen.
ThinkingCapitalist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like RAT- and patootie. RATPATOOTIE
forms93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
epic
dudpool31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite movies.
RTG8055 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best movies
01BitStudio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched it again on the weekend. Fantastic and very entertaining film.
agen_kolar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve never understood why my parents thought Ratatouille was awful.
heavenkknowsbby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is my favorite Disney movie. I just fell in love with it for some reason, my hobby is cooking so it might have something to with it..
MarshallRawR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of veggies but I do miss the slightly spicy homemade ratatouille my mother used to make me, for some reason it made me love veggies.
ballofwibblywobbly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hah! This wasnโt ten years ago. Wait...
MajorDisapointmant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I adore Ratatouille and always revisit it every month or so to watch it again. It's by far one of my top, if not my top, animated films of all time. I also love Coco but haven't watched it nearly as many times
Buerdax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is my favourite movie ever, and i think the german dub is better than the original.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite movies ever
justsomeguy000317 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love this movie, its art
Mr_Dakkyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That movie was 10 years ago, jheeez I'm getting old.
8jaggery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The background score still gives me goosebumps
cheesehuahuas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guess I'm watching Ratatouille this weekend.
ThnderGunExprs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another thing I just absolutely LOVE about this movie, is the voice acting performance from Patton Oswalt, he just draws you in right away with Remy's character and never lets up.
lamacode88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. Now I want to watch it again. At 11 am.
laffnlemming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have made the eponymous dish kind of like his recipe - very good!
haydentodbrooke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years Ago?! Wow
FratumHospitalis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BTeam
Yoshi909 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Team A boy
FratumHospitalis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, the fuzz!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just now finding out that Janeane Garofalo voiced Collette. Huh.
bungopony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
She does a great job.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs my favorite Pixar movie. I love it so much that my username is a quote from Le Festin.
king-guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:20 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit this movie came out ten years ago.
Tyrannosaurus_Sex1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Pixar has slipped up here and there but goddamn if they're not one of the most consistently great studios out there then I don't know who is. They've put out so many objectively great and visually stunning movies that speak to so many across so many generations that I'm willing to forgive stuff like Planes and Cars 2. Ratatouille was and is one of my favorite movies, along with the Incredibles, Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Wall-E, and hell, even the first Cars was great. Looking forward to what they do with this next Incredibles movie.
Fenisel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite movie Its so fantastic. One small rat that eant to be more then just a rat. One small creature that is not affraif to fight for his dream.
Sheaton05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs been 10 years!?!? Wtf
cate_is_kill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this made feel old really quick
SimpleExplodingMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In many ways, their smallest movie, but by far my favorite.
x3ShiroX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i remember watching this film when i was young and even until now i wanted to create the final dish. but i have no idea how to cook
FamousAmos00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cause ten years ain't shit man
Throwyourtoothbrush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for posting the article. It's always been a favorite of mine.
WentBack2Back ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered what kind of food perspective was as a kid.
herethereyeverywhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Story time: when Ratatouille came out, all the chefs in Caracas organized an all-chefs screening of the movie. Mom and I stumbled upon it because it was right next to my painting lessons. They were setting up a buffet table when I passed by, because of course. Mom wanted to sneak in and take some snacks but I said no.
Overall, that was the most chef-like thing I've ever seen.
KiefMeltshot420BLAZE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was a part of the beta testing for this movie. We went back to watch it like 3 times before it came out, each time we reviewed afterward
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to preface with saying this is one of my favorite movies, but why the heck is his name Linguini? Like, you wouldn't name your kid "spaghetti" so why linguini? Is it also a name because I just know it as the pasta.
nwh1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
favorite part of the movie is when Collette describes each of the cooks backgrounds, and of course Ego's response to the first taste :)
pcweber111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've come to really like this movie and I hated it when it came out. It's very subtle and to me showcases the best of what old Pixar was all about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs just your opinion.
bigL928 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Art is for interpretation.
There is a reason why Art is broad and people are able to connect to a same piece of art with completely different interpretations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to be objective here but that is incorrect.
iSeeChrisD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:59 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sucker loves Ratatouille https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pKPb6H_pdw
commander_nice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mirror
RoonilaWazlib ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Top 3 films for me.
vigtel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to run a restaurant, in a lower part of a coastal city. Rats are a natural part of the environment and a constant struggle to keep out of the kitchen. One rat clawing their way through the wall (the ingenuity of these rodents is impressive now, scary then), the night before an inspection of the health inspectors could effectively shut us down. Me, and the chef, had nightmares about rats in the kitchen, and was constantly working on blocking their entrances.
So, a movie about how cool it is with a rat in the kitchen? Nope.
xiowolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After reading through the comments I think I'll put this on now I bought it on Blu Ray as soon as I could
Memesmakemememe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt know so many people liked that film. For me it was just another Pixar movie that I basically forgot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My son is obsessed with this movie, we watch it every single day and I absolutely love it.
Sizza147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally watched it yesterday. aah, the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon
kackins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always tell people itโs a perfect movie, and they always laugh. But it really is.
salawm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TEN YEARS?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years? Fuck I'm old.
dreweatall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:30 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah it does.
Trixremix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dude it's been a decade??
coelhocapo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is also a beautiful allegory for immigration, and seeking one's place is a new environment.
AfriQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everything was great ...except her French accent
DoZeYLoVe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 38 year old male who has never watched Ratatouille. Should I go downlo, oops, I mean go rent it?
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:09:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I cant recommend it enough. Its a story about underdogs, friendship, how 'anyone can cook' and features a very interesting villain. All presented wonderfully through gorgeous animation.
DoZeYLoVe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm convinced. I'm gonna go "rent" it.
mattaphorica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:44 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna say what is most likely a highly unpopular opinion: I really didn't think the movie was all that good. It was pretty boring, to me.
But this post and comment section makes me want to give it another shot.
swimmerboy29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote a paper this year connecting the scene when Ego tastes The ratatouille with the Proust Effect, cost a 93.
Fat_Kid_Hot_4_U ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratattoullie is my favorite mecha anime.
Mattshuku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's been ten years and I've still never seen Ratatouille.
ThisIsAThrowawayMmm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good meme
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've always striven to get that perfect ratatouille like in the film. Curse you, Pixar!
Eebonie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its just a good movie to me. An animation not geared towards one particular audience. Around we call it " good shit"
Wiebejamin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's 10 years old?
A-Jargon-Entry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years and I still have yet to try the dish.
Great movie.
AnyPizzaAnySize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Defo the best animated movie.
marialfc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This movie, no matter how many times I watch it, it brings me to tears. It is my 3 year old's favorite movie too so we watch it a lot! I wish he was around when the movie first came out so I could get him more toys/books about the movie, but he is absolutely fascinated with it. This one and The Incredibles are my two favorite Pixar movies.
nomnomonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, ten years.
Jeaytoven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will never be duplicated
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The song at the end makes me want to go to Paris.
robak69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The dish is good too. Great pick.
convextech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chef and Today's Special are also good.
willflameboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it? Allegory is usually deliberate.
HighPriestofShiloh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Were you listening to MBMBAM?
Kingchin3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was actually thinking about Ratatouille last night, very underrated movie. It's my second favourite Pixar movie just behind the first Toy Story.
DAE_moviesunderrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely underrated.
Only 96%? Such an underrated gem.
weltallic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the villain wasn't beaten by falling from a great height. Instead, he was persuaded & redeemed.
missjenh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is my favourite Pixar film and one of my favourite films, period. It also inspired me to learn how to cook.
bryanisbored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Top 3 Pixar movies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years later, 'Ratatouille' has lost all meaning and the dialogue has become unintelligible noise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite movie. The story and its arcs - although outrageous - are technically flawless. The detail, the warm lighting, the music, the personalities - Ratatouille is uniquely phenomenal.
arcane84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's.... Been 10 years? I remember seeing its commercial like it was yesterday... Oh man.
uhsduhsduhiiiiiijjji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brad Bird is awesome. I still think the Incredibles was better. For me, it's Iron Giant > Incredibles > Ratatouille.
Blazerekt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this as a kid and feel I didnโt appreciate it enough after reading these comments. Iโll have to rewatch it
Teddybaergang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Real food ...
sheptynan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:53 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A movie ahead of its time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Fourteen years later, "The Incredibles 2" remains a striking allegory of a tardy sequel!
Please let it be worth it. Don't screw it up, Bird man!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Easily the best movie about rats, just barely beats the hit horror classic, "The Rats"!
thiccc_commie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really love the movie huge fan
sheelo73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's been 10 years? Wow
Snathious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The finest film Pixar has ever made in my opinion.
Darth_Cosmos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The facebook comments on the actual post are quite entertaining
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:57 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
youโre goddamn right.
Vipitis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This was the first time my mom took me and my brother to the movies.
NasaMonkeyMAGA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve that movie
ziggityzah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i aggree
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs been 10 years!?
coopercrepsl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This has always been one of my favorite movies since i was little. It inspired me to start cooking, and now its one of my favorite things. It truly is an art, and its kinda nice to get some validation that the movie really IS that good haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
favorite movie of all time for this reason
ParisAintGerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:22 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is excellent, I was amazed when I saw it in theatres
PunkRockMakesMeSmile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to mention, as we approach the 5-year anniversary of Roger Ebert's death, that the final review in Ratatouille always seemed to me like a letter of deep gratitude to him, a condensation of Ebert's approach and philosophy towards criticism and what made him so special and important
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget ratatat either op
awokenindarkness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's my second favorite 3d animated film under Rango.
watergo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was alright. A bugs life was good.
freakylol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On a barely related note, when I search for 'curb your enthusiasm' gifs in the Facebook chat, why do some gifs of ratatouille appear?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok...
littletoyboat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If The Incredibles is Atlas Shrugged with superheroes, Ratatouille is The Fountainhead with rats.
GenericCleverNme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
stuart little was way better
OldBirdWing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:48 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Loved it as a kid. Love it as an adult
Kougeru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:13 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not on hulu or Netflix. Yay
jman4220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was it suppose to some how be a different movie after a decade? Lol.
MustafaKadhem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its a rat that makes spaghetti or some shit 10/10
RorariiRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:06 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely!
thewhiteafrican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Billy Eichner said it best
dirtybirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I named my cat Little Chef after Remy. Love this movie to death.
prepareforglory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Highlight of the article was William Diaz getting roasted in the comment section
delmoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao all this to say Ratatouille is still a god damn good movie
...itโs true and I agreed with everything that they had to say
Edit: have any redditors ever tried the dish the critic Anton Ego was in love w since he was a child? Is it as good as the movie details?
yrqrm0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An absolute masterpiece.
hondo3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite film.
BurrStreetX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was seriously SUCH a good movie.
fromtheill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still top 10 favorite movie. hadnt seen it in years till they started having it on-demand. One of those movies I implore people to give it a chance and watch it. (the Iron Giant is another one)
woutomatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I envy all you people who grew up with Pixar movies. Glad my kids can though!
moldykobold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:18 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are any of the cooks addicted to heroin in this movie? Iโve never seen it or worked in the food industry, but Iโve always heard people in the kitchen are addicted to meth, coke, or heroin.
If thereโs no drug addicts in this movie itโs not truly authentic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years?! Already?
Wikwoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:21 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can never watch this movie again after being forced to watch it almost every week for like 4 years in French class. It was in French too so I never understood a word of what was going on.
I_JIZZ_ON_U ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:02 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing missing is the alcoholism
jadebisou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Time to go watch it again
NeoKorean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One does not simply watch this movie without eating food.
frozenmildew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arguably my favourite movie of all time.
A 10/10 without question.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good film, my biggest problem with it though had to actually do with linguini, I think that's his name, he was such a boring character compared to the many great main characters that Pixar has created.
GuyForgett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was kind of the point
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What point?
Rosebunse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's very boring and just isn't creative like the other characters. He seemingly has nothing to contribute to the world. But as the movie points out, everyone involved in the restaurant is very important.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:05 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I actually found most of the restaurant workers to be way more interesting than linguini and wish they got more screen time.
Rosebunse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:38 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But part of that is to show to the audience and reinforce to them to actually cooking and creating can come from an assortment of backgrounds and skills. Linguini being a normal person makes him unique.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have had a problem with linguini being normal, but there is one major hole in that claim... linguini can't cook, so making him normal actually contradicts the message that anyone can cook since the bland main character with no outstanding qualities turns out to be just that. If linguini turned out to be a master at making food then it would have strengthened the message the film was trying to convey. I know you're saying that he contributes in other ways but the moral of Ratatouille isn't "anyone has a purpose," it's "anyone can cook."
Rosebunse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone is a great cook, but a great cook can come from anywhere.
aghostus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:50 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Till date, my favorite animated movie along with my favourite movies of all time.
volcanolam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honoring my favourite animated film ever. Thank you! This film is no more underlooked.
Mrbreakfst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I know what I'm watching tonight
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was a pretty good movie. Think I might rewatch it
BangBangBattleship ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How about some other words that rhyme with โCorey?โ
Twigryph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:15 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still one of my favourite films. I have my quibbles, but there's just so much love in every frame. I also recommend the extra short on the DVD, which is particularly funny for Canadians :)
naacardan2004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still one of my favorite movies ever
kingdomcome3914 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:03 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love that movie. All of it feels so right. It also gave me an inspiration to learn culinary skills.
idontfuckdogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:54 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No
e_mendz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:34 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I wonder if movies can get over-analyzed. But that can shamefully disregard the fact that there are great efforts made to every detail, even to a scene that lasted just one or part of a second on screen. Truly, themes and underlying messages are never results of too much analysis. They are more likely intentional, meant to be discovered, found and heard. Thank you for sharing this article.
asherd234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reading all these comments made my day. Now time to look at "Controversial."
Mr_Greatimes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TEN YEARS??! ....gotdaym
Porn-Videos-Only ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs been 10 years?! Holy shit...
HonaSmith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
didnt bother reading the article but based on the title, my reaction is "duh"
jaynajoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:09 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love how they say anyone can cook. Literally a rat making ratatouille and Ego has a flashback of his moms cooking.. best scene!
Rosebunse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always cry at that scene. You don't need to know anything else about Ego after that scene to see why he takes his job so seriously.
Niploooo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:40 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was about a rat that cooks
Marxbrosburner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:16 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Someone please explain this to me. I like the movie okay, but I don't understand the people who rank it as the best Pixar (and I've even heard best animated) movie every made. I put it right in the middle of the Pixar oeuvre. It's sweet and very well acted and all, but the plot is so overstuffed, I always felt the movie lacked focus. What is the main theme? Family? Following your dream? Checking your ego? Realizing your limitations? Is it a romance? A buddy comedy? A fish-out-of-water story? It just always felt to me that it was so busy trying to do so many things that it didn't really do any of them great. It's not a BAD movie or anything. I like it, but nothing about it blew me away. I've never felt compelled to watch it again.
So yeah, please, I'm willing to change my mind here. Can someone explain why so many people absolutely fawn over this movie I've always felt was only okay?
blinddivine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because those people aren't you. it's ok to feel like this movie was just ok.
Marxbrosburner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:28 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, Iโm just curious if they are seeing something Iโm not.
blinddivine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on February 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cool, carry on then.
Rosebunse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's OK not to love it. For me, the message is a somewhat complex one. It isn't just "follow your dreams" or something so simple, it's about not disregarding talent and hard work just because they don't come from the best of places. We get so caught up in our own perceptions of what a particular role should be that we neglect real talent, which is what Ego wanted to do until he had his own epiphany regarding Remy's cooking.
But there's something else beneath that, which is the very simple theme of creation. Artists like the cooks and Remy love to create and make art, just like the artists, writers, musicians and actors who made this movie did.
Breaklance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it in theatres as a teen. Took my gf to see it, just another movie for...purposes. Anyhow we actually watched the movie because it was so captivating
Rosebunse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:00 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heathens, going to a movie just to make out.
owledge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That came out 10 years ago? Shiiiit
Thursamaday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:07 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just finished watching this with my 3 year old. Still holds up. She says it was "up there with Zootopia and Ice Age: Collision Course", that's about the highest praise you can get from her.
mrfatso111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:08 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And till now i have not watch it yet
saucygit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm would have though it would only remain an allegory after the film ended...
UKUKRO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So does the movie Mouse Hunt.
Tele_Prompter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:47 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Ratatouille is my favorite movie. It replaced "Pulp Fiction", that held that place until the 90s. It is a masterpiece of animation and storytelling. Everything in this movie clicks from the first second up until the last. Everyone involved in the making of this movie can be fucking proud of what they have accomplished here.
It was the first time I thought character animators should get an Oscar - the character of Colette is beautiful in its voice acting and animation. Her facial expression in the moment when she wants to slap Linguini in his face is wonderfully animated.
The scene where Ego is thrown back into his childhood is actually something good cooks want to achieve: Evoke an emotional response in someone who eats their cooked food. I once saw a cooking show where a professional cook tasted the dish of another cook and began to cry because it reminded him of how his mother cooked for him. And after that explained that THAT is good cooking - not the taste of the food itself, but the emotions it evokes when someone eats it.
rockarollawmn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So is Animal Farm.
ihohjlknk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is amazing. It's my top 3 Pixar films, next to Toy Story series, and The Incredibles. Pixar really needs to let Brad Bird do more films because he's incredible (no pun intended).
Mastur_Of_Bait ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ending speech is one of the greatest moments in Pixar
SirDrexl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:28 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's still my favorite Pixar film.
Asterisk08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My niece and nephew used to watch this when they were kids. They have watched for like 100 times. Yep, that includes me
FizzyBeverage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:18 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Always thought it was funny the kid was obviously American, with an Italian surname, living in France.
wellpaidscientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a fucking fantastic essay. Kudos.
CarlosFer2201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:09 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille was my favorite Pixar film for years. Inside Out finally dethroned it.
bashbybash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:32 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit it still holds up after 10 YEARS?!?! Thatโs unheard of.
MEGAtron902 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This movie made me try cheese and strawberries.
iSiXiSi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, love Pixar but the main 'French' human character having to have a solitary American accent for whatever sad reason was beyond ridiculous.
Theurgie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:07 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Loved it and wished they made a second.
soulcaptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:27 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I loved this movie, except for the Linguini character. He's a whiny little bitch the whole film. I guess that's supposed to set him up on an arc, but after watching the film several times, that character really stands out as the weakest part.
Dionysus108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:56 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Controversial Opinion Warning!
I hated Ratatouille. No particular reasons just didn't enjoy the movie at all. Also not a fan of Patton Oswalt. Ended up enjoying Cars more than this.
m63646 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the hair-pulling-controls-humans-bodies that keeps me from really liking it. Any reasonable mechanism would do and that ain't one.
Stardustchaser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:33 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Um, I donโt think Ego Live an impoverished childhood. He had a bike, he had a cozy home. Maybe middle class, but not a dingy flat in a ghetto. Giving him ratatouille would be the equivalent of giving a kid a bowl of Campbellโs soup or some Mac n cheese.
Calfee911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:10 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually going to cooking school when this movie came out. Our professor went to see it and he was almost certain that Pixar was going to screw it up. He came to class the next day PRAISING IT. He absolutely loved the small details of it all the way down to the setup of the kitchen. He made us all watch the movie as a final and give a report on it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:42 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wut
spencerlevey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:44 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Pixar movie, always makes me want to cook.
The_Volume ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:01 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's meaning could change with time...
your_covers_blown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:04 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone else in here apparently loved it but I think it's one of the less interesting pixar movies. I watched it for the first time shortly after Inside Out and Zootopia (which I guess was Disney but not pixar) and I liked both of them a lot more. It freaking starts with a record scratch / freeze frame. Come on.
MockTrialwJReinhold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:51 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITโS BEEN TEN YEARS?!?!
Fuck Iโm old.
ButternToast725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:55 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly after thinking about it...this movie is a classic imo. Loved it.
HowieGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:17 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Recently watched this for the first time in 7 years, along with Chef and Burnt. Ratatouille is so damn good.
MorganCc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:49 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Frustrated chef here. Somehow when this movie released I got some reasons to be motivated. Just sharing
mikeyinthemiddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is hands-down, one of the best Pixar movies! Also, it's because of the movie that I started to work as a cook hahaha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:03 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A favorite of mine. I laugh, I cry, I laugh again.
/and it inspired me to want to learn to cook new things.
Anybody CAN become a cook.
synapsisxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:34 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To this day, Ratatouille has been my favourite Pixar product. I love the others too but they are not even close to this grandeur.
tiglon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:11 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
great movie
rosehnh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:13 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I last watched the movie many years ago, back when I was just a primary schooler and saw nothing but a rat can cook.
Thats it. A rat who is able to cook.
I even thought to myself "ugh that boring movie, again!? " When Disney kept showing the film on its channel.
Now, a second year in Uni, reading comments and that famous critic lines from Ratatouille, Im planning on watching the whole thing again to actually gain myself a deeper understanding of the movie, how talents can be overlooked, how hard work could be underated and many more.
:)
igg73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:33 on June 5, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guess im watching ratatouille tonight. For the first time.
WingleDingleFingle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:42 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm. Perhaps Iโll have to watch this movie. I didnโt realize it had such glowing reviews. I actually thought it was perceived as a subpar, โfillerโ Pixar movie.
erik_reeds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nah but it's an okay kids movie i reckon
Indarys70 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:35 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, Ratatouille suffers from the same issue all Brad Bird's movies: It's a thinly veiled objectivist screed. It's a movie about the fact that while anyone can good, only the elite can cook well, and the institutions only serve to hold back the elite that can spring from anywhere if the damn "government" just gets out of the way. (It's no concidence that Ego loses his position as the "institution" and instead becomes a small business investor).
It's literally "The Fountainhead" with rats and cooking subbed for people and architects.
lacourseauxetoiles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:04:52 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it is saying that a great artist can come from anywhere, then how is it saying that only the elites can become great artists?
Indarys70 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Objectivism believes elites can come from anywhere--and that the government and all other lesser beings need to get out of their way and let them do their thing. It's very attractive to 15 year old kids who think they're special and amazing and if only mom would let them do what they wanted!
Most people grow out of this phase and realize they're not anything special, and that ability is mostly a function of education and interest in a subject as well as ability to access it (i.e. not being poor as fuck).
Brad Bird never grew out of it. Or more precisely he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, became a director since he was mentored by Milt Kahl from childhood, and now desperately needs to feel special and like he accomplished something and wasn't just born into royalty, so he turned to Objectivism as an explanation (he was just "born better" and thus successful).
Tommorrowland is substantially more obviously objectivist, to the point it's quite unnerving to watch.
clarkstud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:38 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't buy into that whole "culinary arts" thing? Or if you do then, all artists are basically the same? Beyond that, culinary critics don't affect success?
Indarys70 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:31 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Success is a function of passion for a particular subject and ability to pursue it. All artists are the same when they first start, most successful artists are better at establishing social connections and getting themselves publicity. Social standing and connections is a far greater indicator of success (and the reason Bird himself was successful) than "talent".
m63646 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:37 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must be fun at all the parties people don't invite you to.
BryanJustice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who doesn't love this movie
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me. Didn't hate it but I don't really understand why people are gushing over it this much. Seemed like an average pixar movie.
BryanJustice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:58 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just think it's a cut above most, I understand it's made mainly for children but there are countless people that enjoy it. The voice acting plot and setting really grabbed me
BoxOfBurps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to watch this with my 16 month old son a couple weeks ago and it scared the ever loving shit out of him. I have no idea why. I had to turn it off.
cqxray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:51 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's rats, that's why! And it's rats in the kitchen, at that. I'm still grossed out by that aspect of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:12 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah I love Ratatoing
rom9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:56 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a movie ! Cant remember how many times I have seen it. And the music. I am still listening to this song when I cook:
Le Festin - Camille
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-3Z3jmDiL0
vidman33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:01 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was lovely thanks.
rom9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:39 on February 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ur welcome !
boosh92 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:26 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 years later, that scene when he first kisses her and she thinks about macing him in the face but then she's like, "nah, I actually like this," has aged horribly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99EAvkVZks
practicallydeformed ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I recently rewatched the movie and that scene was so bad. She kept obviously resisting and he forces himself on her. Yikes. Still a good movie tho
BasilandLavender ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:32 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh tumblr
practicallydeformed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:26 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I get where you're coming from but just picture it in a non cute romantic movie. She had her pepper spray ready to go.
Also saying oh Tumblr is like saying oh Reddit when there's like some incels shit going on here. It's like the radical minority
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:30:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this movie was hot garbage
CBH3403 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:47 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hot Take Alert: The Incredibles is also the best superhero movie of all time. It establishes a complex universe with it's own history, characters, and established rules; (sorry if I used the semi colon wrong grammar nazis) constructs one of the top three greatest super hero villains of all time for the heroes to fight (granted I haven't seen Black Panther yet although I love Michael B Jordan I dont think he's better than Ledger, but gotta respect any dude thats been on the wire so that's why theres three instead of the actual two) and works as one of the greatest think pieces on the American Marriage (The fact that infidelity, the imprisonment one could feel within a familiar or familial environment, and the power one can achieve relying upon others are all concepts easily accessible and understandable in a children's movie is CRAZY) Basically Brad Bird is the Orson Welles (insert any legendary director of your choosing) of animation.
Joe_Cumia ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to support the film when the lead actor is alleged to have been involved in the suspicious death of his former wife
peterfonda2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:33 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will there ever be a sequel?
pacmain1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:08:29 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope not
StopWhiningScrub ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:17 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And 10 years later it still sucks
Cimejies ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Ratatouille was weak, predictable and dull, doing very little new and risking very little, with the critic getting whisked back to his childhood and liking the dish being almost the only possible outcome of that scene based on it being a Disney film. Some good life lessons kicking around in there though.
Rock_Me-Amadeus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:10:28 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to take this opportunity to share one of my favourite things
Kinglink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:16:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy the movie, but I just feel like the critic's speech at the end is all sorts of self congratulatory masturbation that it's not a surprise all sorts of creatives love the movie.
circularlogic7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:11 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever watched this movie with no audio or subtitles, or in a language you donโt understand? I loved this movie until for work reasons i had to watch it in cantonese with no subs. It instantly became creepy as hell. Its a bunch of rats!!! In a kitchen!!!! Messing with your food!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:28:46 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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annisarsha ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:50 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We already knew it was good before the article, so... Also, just because you comment on a post doesn't mean your opinion matters.
lubu9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:32:12 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow never knew there were so many Ratatouille Lovers! I thought I was the only one rewatching that movie about the 10th time when I was younger! Lol
ZachPutland ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:42:46 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is the first time I've ever heard anyone praise the movie, really. Kinda makes me want to watch it though
KC_Newser ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:58:54 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I own the movie. Saw it in the theater. I've probably watched it 6-7 times. Unpopular opinion on this thread: it's overrated.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:00:10 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Overrated and a PR for one of the most obnoxious city in the world, Paris.
JunkyardPC_Jesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:25 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I lived two years in Europe and by an exceedingly large margin my worst experiences were in Paris. It is not a classy city. Arrogant? Sure. Does it ruin the movie? Not for me. I wouldn't call the film the best of anything but it did have a number of redeeming qualities. I know hating on Paris is cliche - hell, I had a skinhead fight right outside my hotel room in London but it still was a far better experience than my couple of weeks in Paris.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:58 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even the rest of France hates on Paris. I understand why.
๐๏ธ Boss452 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but wrong and wrong.
SadhuElvis ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:02:45 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille is weak... Overrated! Go "Toy Story"
Famous-Jameis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:14 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First and only movie I've watched on shrooms. Blew my fucking mind.
bassnbrats ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:36 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the even more brilliant "ratatoing"? No love?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:39 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Saw Ratatouille. Walked out of it. Did not buy it.
DaymD ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:55 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You guys remember where this is from?
DrWernerKlopek89 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:04 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Billy Elliot with rats?
beall49 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:08 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering what this week's overrated nostalgia movie would be. This is probably the worst Pixar movie. Utterly boring
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:41 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Kingchin3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:27 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it's a movie for both kids and adults ๐๐พ
Xfissionx ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:40:49 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
U realize allegory refers to the bible and not just any ole metaphors.
Flumper ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:03:19 on February 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect. An allegory is basically just a metaphor on a larger scale, ie a movie as a whole can be an allegory but a specific scene or object that represents something would be a metaphor. The bible contains both, but has claim to neither.