But I mean why would the monks make a simulation where a subroutine in the program can send an email out of the simulation to a real world email address?
foofly ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:56:09 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a technical point of view a OS running in a VM can break out of the sandbox and send a message to an external address. I'm guessing the virtual Doctor found a exploit in the Monk's hypervisor and used that exploit.
mikemol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:33:15 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They played that to absolutely beautiful effect in Babylong 5 in S4E22, Deconstruction of Falling Stars. Oh, Garibaldi...
foofly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:47:54 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the early series, I was generally willing to believe the Doctor had done something really complex and clever that he just wasn't explaining, especially because he usually did some tinkering with spare parts and wires as well as using the screwdriver. It's been a bit harder to justify like that since Tennant left, but this is one case where I'm willing to assume he did some kind of in-depth study of the code while waiting for the aliens to show up, and managed to hack together a way to send the data out. The "sending an email" bit would just be a very simplified way to put it.
It's a rubbish simulation anyway, they couldn't even be bothered to use each individual NPC's ID or coordinates as a seed for random number simulation.
It's a shame because I really liked the episode premise, and the numbers thing plus the "What could terrify both scientists and religious leaders" thing are what tipped me off to what was happening. It was better than the next episode, at least.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:17 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just assume the Doctor makes up most of the mumbo jumbo because it comes so intuitively to him, but he needs to give some explanation to his companions otherwise they get upset with him.
Nulono ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:11 on August 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, the Monks really sucked at computer stuff. Their simulation of Earth didn't even salt the random number generator.
jb2386 ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 11:30:43 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's doctor who though. They don't exactly try to make jargon correct or make too much sense. It's supposed to sound like mumbo jumbo.
_mach ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 11:33:45 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even that, in this case he's referring to alien tech, I think.
Hawkuro ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:35:30 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human tech, just way in the future. In particular, robots that used Machine LearningTM to find that the way to maximize human joy is to kill anyone with negative emotions.
Furthermore, the only thing they used to determine human emotions was facial expressions, so you could just fake a smile.
The doctor then proceeded to basically wipe the ML model, whatever it's called, from the robots, which, when you think about it, should result in the same thing happening all over again in time.
Didn't he also change it so they didn't want to make humans happy?
Hawkuro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that might be, it's been a few weeks since I saw the ep.
macboot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:23:12 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he made it so they didn't have the goal anymore, so they wound up as still ML robots, but they weren't stuck with a goal that could go wrong. Instead they just existed in and of themselves(or self, I guess. I think it was a hive-mind). That way they don't know who the humans are at first and have to build a new, natural relationship with them.
hbk1966 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 13:49:58 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a lot of the time it's because he has no clue what he's doing and is just making it up as he goes.
Hasn't he said at least once that he literally makes up jargon so people assume he knows what he's doing when he buzzes stuff with his sonic screwdriver?
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Even more to the point, it's a pretty regular gag for the Doctor to offer an overexplanation sprinkled with nonsense. It's his version of "you're just human, you won't understand, but you won't stop bugging me until I tell you, so here." The payoff is when whoever the Doctor is talking to manages to find some signal in the noise and summarize his explanation in a few words. IE "You rebooted it," prompting a delightfully surprised reaction.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 13:34:18 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I re-initalised the entire command structure, retaining all programmed abilites:
sudo reboot
...but deleting the supplementary preference architecture:
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:03:32 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could work but I was thinking along the lines of removing "supplementary architecture" if you have an x86_64 system then removing all 32-bit packages would technically be removing an architecture.
The robots you built to build your colony killed everyone but I rebooted them. But now you have to pay them to live here cause I decided they are sentient for reasons. Yay! I saved the day again.
It is about an AI. It does make sense. It's still overcomplicating something simple. Like others said, as well as I think he also does in the show. He hit the on and off switch.
It might make sense, sort of. But that doesn't stop the way of expressing it from sounding like bullshit
_shreve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:50 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just chiming in on the other quote: Wegener was a nazi doctor, so now it goes by granulomatosis with polyangitis. It would appear they don't know anything about computers or medicine.
The doctor who one makes perfect sense to me...he deleted the command structure, kept the base programming but deleted the extra utilities..... resetting it.
I always feel like for brit tv (for special effects especially, but often the writing) that they just specifically want to fool the lower 50% of the audience.
so yeah, watching dr. who is like an intelligence test.
you can say that's part of the charm or something similarly fucking retarded, but it's not even tongue in cheek.
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cooprocks123e ยท 789 points ยท Posted at 11:39:26 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like they deleted the config file
linux1970 ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 12:33:41 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably restarted the service too.
chazzeromus ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:02:03 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tfw reload doesn't apply your changes
EvilMonkeyTwin ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 11:50:43 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And "what's the one thing all subroutines can do? Send am email!"
foofly ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 12:31:08 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he was taking the piss out of them at that point.
EvilMonkeyTwin ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:41:55 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I mean why would the monks make a simulation where a subroutine in the program can send an email out of the simulation to a real world email address?
foofly ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:56:09 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a technical point of view a OS running in a VM can break out of the sandbox and send a message to an external address. I'm guessing the virtual Doctor found a exploit in the Monk's hypervisor and used that exploit.
mikemol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:33:15 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They played that to absolutely beautiful effect in Babylong 5 in S4E22, Deconstruction of Falling Stars. Oh, Garibaldi...
foofly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:47:54 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except.
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BennettF ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:58:16 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the early series, I was generally willing to believe the Doctor had done something really complex and clever that he just wasn't explaining, especially because he usually did some tinkering with spare parts and wires as well as using the screwdriver. It's been a bit harder to justify like that since Tennant left, but this is one case where I'm willing to assume he did some kind of in-depth study of the code while waiting for the aliens to show up, and managed to hack together a way to send the data out. The "sending an email" bit would just be a very simplified way to put it.
It's a rubbish simulation anyway, they couldn't even be bothered to use each individual NPC's ID or coordinates as a seed for random number simulation.
EvilMonkeyTwin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:41 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point, yeah. And god I forgot about the lack of random numbers bit. That was worse.
BennettF ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:15:47 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame because I really liked the episode premise, and the numbers thing plus the "What could terrify both scientists and religious leaders" thing are what tipped me off to what was happening. It was better than the next episode, at least.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:17 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just assume the Doctor makes up most of the mumbo jumbo because it comes so intuitively to him, but he needs to give some explanation to his companions otherwise they get upset with him.
Nulono ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:11 on August 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, the Monks really sucked at computer stuff. Their simulation of Earth didn't even salt the random number generator.
jb2386 ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 11:30:43 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's doctor who though. They don't exactly try to make jargon correct or make too much sense. It's supposed to sound like mumbo jumbo.
_mach ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 11:33:45 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even that, in this case he's referring to alien tech, I think.
Hawkuro ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:35:30 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human tech, just way in the future. In particular, robots that used Machine LearningTM to find that the way to maximize human joy is to kill anyone with negative emotions.
Furthermore, the only thing they used to determine human emotions was facial expressions, so you could just fake a smile.
The doctor then proceeded to basically wipe the ML model, whatever it's called, from the robots, which, when you think about it, should result in the same thing happening all over again in time.
This episode was kind of stupid if you ask me.
Krutonium ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:56:28 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he also change it so they didn't want to make humans happy?
Hawkuro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that might be, it's been a few weeks since I saw the ep.
macboot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:23:12 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he made it so they didn't have the goal anymore, so they wound up as still ML robots, but they weren't stuck with a goal that could go wrong. Instead they just existed in and of themselves(or self, I guess. I think it was a hive-mind). That way they don't know who the humans are at first and have to build a new, natural relationship with them.
hbk1966 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 13:49:58 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a lot of the time it's because he has no clue what he's doing and is just making it up as he goes.
NuklearAngel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:29:22 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hasn't he said at least once that he literally makes up jargon so people assume he knows what he's doing when he buzzes stuff with his sonic screwdriver?
hbk1966 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:12 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so
LichOnABudget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:29 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think at least once is a bit generous. That's been said a whole lot more than once.
drcshell ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I love Doctor Who. It's easy to suspend disbelief because not science fiction, it's pure fantasy. I mean he has a magic wand damn it!
Krutonium ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:57:18 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't do Wood, though.
kazeespada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:22 on June 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except it cuts rope so...
Rostin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:27:30 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the reason I stopped watching it after a couple of seasons. It's one unsatisfying deus ex machina after another.
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introvertedtwit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:25 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even more to the point, it's a pretty regular gag for the Doctor to offer an overexplanation sprinkled with nonsense. It's his version of "you're just human, you won't understand, but you won't stop bugging me until I tell you, so here." The payoff is when whoever the Doctor is talking to manages to find some signal in the noise and summarize his explanation in a few words. IE "You rebooted it," prompting a delightfully surprised reaction.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 13:34:18 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I re-initalised the entire command structure, retaining all programmed abilites:
...but deleting the supplementary preference architecture:
Krutonium ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:59:24 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that second line is more accurately:
rm -rf ~/.config[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:03:32 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could work but I was thinking along the lines of removing "supplementary architecture" if you have an x86_64 system then removing all 32-bit packages would technically be removing an architecture.
Krutonium ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:04:01 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...good point.
ivebeenhereallsummer ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 12:01:15 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hated the ending of that episode, Smile.
The robots you built to build your colony killed everyone but I rebooted them. But now you have to pay them to live here cause I decided they are sentient for reasons. Yay! I saved the day again.
Bullshit.
๐๏ธ LEGOlord208 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:20:13 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then let's wait for them to start killing again and then reboot them again!
smokeyrobot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:20:53 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You work in the business.
An0d0sTwitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:30 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well EXCUUSSSEEEEEE him for not being perfect! Maybe he stay and work out everyones problems!
ivebeenhereallsummer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:05:41 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could have shut down the robots permanently. He left the last humans with a bunch of killer landlords.
An0d0sTwitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:53:46 on June 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they would die on a planet without a city
idiot_with_internet ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:50:48 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he reset the OS.
buddamus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:58:19 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:48:27 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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buddamus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:59:51 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't do that without rewriting the proxy ip address!
szymonwalle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:08:20 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should i rewrite it in Visual Basic?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:55 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LichOnABudget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:57 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please god stop! My eyes! It hurts, it hurts!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:18 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fire? At the seaparks?
Lord_Dreadlow ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:01:02 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He factory reset the damn thing.
-_-_-_-__-_-_-_- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:45:05 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh, there may be some scenario where this isn't bullshit.
For example, if they are talking about an AI, I could see it making sense.
I think you guys are being a bit too critical in this case.
๐๏ธ LEGOlord208 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:21 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is about an AI. It does make sense. It's still overcomplicating something simple. Like others said, as well as I think he also does in the show. He hit the on and off switch.
It might make sense, sort of. But that doesn't stop the way of expressing it from sounding like bullshit
PM-ME-XBOX-MONEY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:00:44 on June 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also future tech. How you gonna say what does and doesn't make sense when we're talking about future tech???
linerror ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:21:09 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so they rebooted it?
๐๏ธ LEGOlord208 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:12 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
_shreve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:50 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just chiming in on the other quote: Wegener was a nazi doctor, so now it goes by granulomatosis with polyangitis. It would appear they don't know anything about computers or medicine.
ThorOfKenya2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:05 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like they copy pasted from a lorem ipsum machine.
PeteTNT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:52 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
exec bash, retains everything in.bashrcbut deleted all theENVvariables set in the session[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:45 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Translation: "I wiped their personalities and took away their free will."
An0d0sTwitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:39 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The doctor who one makes perfect sense to me...he deleted the command structure, kept the base programming but deleted the extra utilities..... resetting it.
Altarium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:14 on June 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody dotted a different profile!
MrDurden93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:56 on September 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This same image will be in a medical jargon sub with the bottom part circled I bet.
MrFatalistic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:05 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always feel like for brit tv (for special effects especially, but often the writing) that they just specifically want to fool the lower 50% of the audience.
so yeah, watching dr. who is like an intelligence test.
you can say that's part of the charm or something similarly fucking retarded, but it's not even tongue in cheek.
FeatheryAsshole ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:52:23 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're really taking doctor who a little too seriously if you can't see it's cheekiness.
Ioangogo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:35 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest I have stopped watching it this time, I got very bored of it very quickly. Waiting for the next season with the new director/writer