The best part about that is you know the manager is going to be so smug when they get back to the dugout. I'd bet money that he spotted before that the runner wouldn't put his foot on the bag before removing his hand and told the first baseman to look for it.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:40:02 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Billy Bean was the General Manager of the A's, slight difference. GMs don't sit in the dugout or really have an impact on the game at all. The manager, while they are glorified statisticians, do impact the game, especially in the National League where the pitcher hits. Strategically pinch hitting and/or making a defensive double switch can win a game for a team. The person that would have yelled at Matt Carpenter (the baserunner) would be the manager Mike Matheny, not the GM John Mozaliak. So referencing Moneyball doesn't exactly work.
The manager isn't really a coach, he manages the team throughout the game choosing which players to put in and take out. Choosing where players in the field should position themselves based on the batter's tendencies of where they hit it and other things like these. And base and bag are used interchangeably
Connguy ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:08:16 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the sort of decision-making coaches do in every other sport too...
Baseball teams do have coaches too. They have batting coaches and pitching coaches but the manager is there to specifically manage, he won't get involved much in the teaching aspect that coaches do.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:30:35 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do football teams and the head coach acts very much like the manager. Coordinators call the plays and game plan. Position coaches focus on technique. The head coach manages the whole show. Not much different really.
Except football coaches will occasionally come up with plays and formations that will be used and coach their team through them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:24 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like the baseball manager positioning players and calling for the shift based on batters tendancies. Head football coaches might do some coaching here and there but they are more or less managing the assistants and giving advice. A head coach who was a former lineman coach may lend some tips to the lineman but he isn't spending all week coaching them up. He's managing the rest of the team as well.
based on what the others are saying, as I have no knowledge of it myself, it sounds like the difference is the coach is focused on his own players, and their tendencies and how they respond to things, where as the manager focuses on the opposing team's players and advises the team on what to look for and expect from the opponents.
Managers will also relay signs, overrule some plays, change defensive alignments (extra infielder, extra outfielder, shifts). The catcher usually calls the game, but the manager will also put in stuff, as you see the catcher looks in for dugout for stuff (watching a runner, pickoffs, pitchouts). The coaches and managers are extra eyes, if they see something or catch something they relay it the players. That's why I am shocked the first base coach didn't say anything, or maybe he just didn't see it.
Baseball teams have coach's but the manager just isn't one really at all. The manager just manages the team, the first base coach and third base coach give out calls, the manager sends orders to the bullpen. Some managers mico manage at-bats but a lot of that is delegated as well.
That's the same in basketball. I replied in detail in another comment. But to add onto that, many times the assistant coaches shout out plays or draw up plays in a timeout. These coaches (offense or defense) are responsible for determining the game plan as well, which the head coach obviously approves and communicates at a high level to the team.
Well, if assistant coaches in basketball perform the duties of a Team Manager, then they are poorly named, no? Not the other way around. Not sure why you want to spread the misnomer to baseball.
832drip ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:20:18 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's the same in basketball. The GM manages who is on the team, the coach calls out the individual plays.
You are arguing against a fact. Manager in baseball is very different from coach. They are two separate things and no amount of arguing will change that.
Smigg_e ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:45:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basketball head coaches actually coach the team on how to play better. Baseball has coaches that do that. The manager is basically a strategist
That's the same for professional basketball, there are several assistants - offensive coach, defensive coach, shooting coach, big man coach, etc.
Smigg_e ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:59:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that. What I'm saying is a basketball head coach will tell a player how to guard someone better or get around someone to score. Coaching them. Baseball the manager isn't responsible for helping a pitchers mechanics or helping a player with his swing. It's hard to explain honestly.
Not really, you were almost there. You're spot on, he doesn't tell them how to play or play better, he is the overall strategist, more of a chess player, putting the best pieces in the best positions for the (hopefully) best outcome.
Swazzoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:37:17 on May 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are joking right? That's exactly what a coach is doing.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:23:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I heard that joke I fell off my dinosaur.
JD-King ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:05:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First base is the location the bag is the object. Also you have pitching coaches and running coaches and others so the manager oversees everyone. Or I could be pulling this out of my ass. You decide...
Not really, a manager doesn't do much coaching of the players at all. The manager is in charge of who is starting, what pitchers are warming up, who's pinch hitting, etc. Every team has other coaches who actually interact with players on certain aspects of the game.
Kinda, I would say a head coach in football is a combination of what a manager does, but also a coach. A lot of head football coaches help coach positions as well. A special teams coach may also have a large say over who is playing that day and what plays to run, while a pitching coach really doesn't have any say over who is pitching.
Managers used to also be responsible for booking travel and lodging arrangements in addition to being in the position of "head coach". That's actually why they are called managers.
Because in the early days of baseball, the coach would handle a lot more than just coaching players including, but not limited to arranging travel plans and whatnot. I would go more in depth, but I'm at work and my history of baseball (yes, it's a class) notebook is at home.
I think it may just be the term still used from when it was common to just have player/managers for teams. The manager was just an experienced player on the field (usually the catcher) rather than a coach on the bench. Now managers are more or less head coaches but the term remains.
he's not though. he's going to be pissed at his first base coach for not telling the runner the guy still had the ball. look at the runner's disappointment at the coach. he's like dude you left me hanging
Hes talking about the defending teams manager. He probably had a talk with the first baseman between innings letting him know about this behavior from the runner on first.
bclem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do he did the thing he gets payed to do?
moeburn ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 21:04:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is called the "hidden ball trick", where a baseman pretends to throw the ball back to the pitcher, but doesn't, and then waits for the baserunner to take a foot off the bag. It's perfectly legal.
There's a collection of hidden ball trick gifs, as well as other "thinking man plays", in /r/headsupbaseball
D0ct0rJ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:03:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sub is amazing! I wish there were more posts!
I just wanna add: it's legal within certain contexts. The ball needs to be "in play" and the pitcher can't be in contact with either the mound dirt or the rubber itself; I can't remember which off the top of my head.
I can tell you this is the second time this happened to ozzy in a period of six weeks. Which explains the look on his face. "Again? Are you kidding me?"
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:47:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely didn't know that! But all in all, this is still fairly rare right?
Yeah, I used to watch a lot of baseball when I was younger, and I never saw this happen live. According to Wikipedia, the hidden ball trick has been executed fewer than 300 times in the 100+ year history of MLB.
You can be a pro and still make mistakes, but this is the kind of mistake you work out in little league. Which also goes toward explaining the look on ozzy's face
If the runner is on the base, he's safe. But if he's off the base, he can be tagged out by whoever has the ball.
In this gif, the runner was declared safe on the initial play, and 99.99% of the time, the fielder will throw the ball back to the pitcher so he can throw the next pitch. It's so routine for that to happen that people automatically relax after the safe call. But the fielder tricked the runner into thinking he threw the ball back, so the runner thought he could step off the base to adjust his pants or something and still be safe.
And like, it's such a basic rule that you have to stay on the base to be safe. When professional players forget to stay alert and get fooled by this, you can always see that oh shit look on their face because the coach is about to tear them a new asshole.
You have a large number of people who know pretty much their entire day is going to be consumed by baseball all congregated onto the same field. I believe baseball produces some of the best characters sports has ever seen.
My gf just got back from a holiday to the states and watched the Dodgers, she says it was truly a spectacle. I may have to take a more active interest.
Luckily my wife supports the Tigers and I in turn support her Dodgers so I can feel some wins vicariously though her...until the playoffs I guess and Kershaw gets horribly mismanaged again.
I'm a Braves fan who's originally from Detroit... The only day I won't be completely disappointed this season is when the Tigers come to Turner field cuz then at least one of my teams will have to win.
If it makes you feel better...I'm a Cardinals fan and the very first game I ever got to personally attend at Busch Stadium was one against the Padres. And we lost.
Who needs porn when you have the game 6 highlight reel?
I am also a Cards fan.
027915 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:29:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Rangers fan, you mind if I join you and just go ahead and kill myself?
Alex470 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:30:08 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still watch Game 6 to this day as a Cards fan. Can't help but feel bad for you guysโthe Rangers' bench looked devastated. Freese got a standing ovation coming back to Busch a few days ago as a Pirate. Was really happy to see that!
Yeah I'm just chirping his sport since he decided to be one of the really cool people who want to let everyone know how much he doesn't like sport x in a thread about sport x
0-0 is definitely an exciting scoreline! Wondering right up to the last minute whether your team is going to score! Now a 7-0 trouncing, that's boring. Especially if you're on the losing side!
By 'bashed the sport' you're referring to the game of tag, I assume? This seems like an extremely accurate representation of what's happening in the gif.
Why did you feel the need to post that comment. You say you can shrug and move on when you clearly can't.
limejl ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's telling that American sports can't be exciting without anyone scoring. That's not true for football. Not at all actually.
WKCLC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its telling because we don't want to spend money to go to a game, cheer our asses of for 90+ minutes and have it end in a tie? I would rather watch chess, at least 99% of those matches end in a winner.
limejl ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the only reason you would attend a game is to see who wins and not to experience the game itself and support your club then yeah, it sure is telling about the sport.
WKCLC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying the only reason is a strawman argument. I never said only. but it is the major reason why it isn't nearly as exciting to watch. Doesn't surprise me you draw conclusions though, as you did the same when generalizing "americans".
limejl ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did I generalize Americans?
I think the fact that a lot of people thinks that a 0-0 draw can't be exciting most likely means that the sports they follow are only exciting when there are a lot of points scored.
Some of the best matches I've ever seen have ended 0-0.
WKCLC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's telling that American sports can't be exciting without anyone scoring.
Really? How is this not generalizing americans?
limejl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:57:56 on May 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. I might have generalized American sports, but not the American people.
Pats420 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:40:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think of it more as men falling to the ground and pretending to be hurt.
What do you mean 'my sport'? Do you mean the most popular team sport in the world? Yeah, some players are dodgy with their antics. Usually those players are in La Liga where contact is pretty much verboten. The British game has a lot more contact, so overseas players are more prone to diving because they're used to the lack of contact.
They look like retarded fish out of water when they do, and their own fans laugh at them as a result.
So for anyone who doesn't know the rules of baseball, if you're on the white base you're safe. If you're off it, you're vulnerable to be "out". By stepping off the base you get closer to the next one, so everyone does it. If you go too far away from the base the pitcher will throw the ball to the base hoping to catch you too far away from the base so that the player will tag the runner and get them out. By faking the throw, he fooled the player who was on the ground into thinking the pitcher had the ball again.
sirMarcy ยท 1050 points ยท Posted at 19:10:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understood nothing as well, but basically the left guy faked that he threw the ball, while he actually still had it. When the right guy left the safe zone, the left one removed him from the game.
An American trying to put it in more UK terms: The first baseman caught the ball as the runner legged it back. He then bamboozled the runner into thinking he bung it back. But low and behold, he was being cheeky and held it the whole time. Stepping off the bag allows your turn to be over. He was off, a real cock up, got tagged, and realized he was out. Hard lines, huh? A right mug.
That was pathetic although I doubt you were trying.
Here's a true British explanation, from a West Indian.
So whenever a batsman or runner is off the crease, you can have them run-out. Sometimes the runner will try to get a leg up by running before the bowler has bowled the ball. In those cases, the bowler can just clip off the bails from the stumps for a run out. That's what happened in the gif too. The fielder guarding the stumps pretended to throw the ball back to the bowler, but actually still had it and took the opportunity of the runner going out of the crease to knock the bails out.
I'm sure you got what I originally said and are being deliberately obtuse but I was referring to the play itself. I'm surprised it's not considered bad sportsmanship. A similar type of action in cricket that has been mentioned above is considered one of the lowest acts you can do on a field and is widely regarded to be against the spirit of the game.
Ace4994 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:23 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that the play in the gif wasn't very sportsman, but baseball is an...interesting game, atmospherically speaking. It's very laid back compared to most sports, and somehow this doesn't feel as "wrong" as it would in another sport.
For the life of me, I can't understand why [the press] questioned his sportsmanship. The laws of cricket make it quite clear that the nonstriker must keep within his ground until the ball has been delivered. If not, why is the provision there which enables the bowler to run him out? By backing up too far or too early, the nonstriker is very obviously gaining an unfair advantage.
Don Bradman
takhana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually made a hell of a lot more sense. Ta Windies man.
Are you even trying? As an American I can give the best explanation. If the redcoat leaves Britain then your tea gets dumped in the harbor. If the redcoat stays in britain then his tea is safe.
This guy is on the first of 3 bases, the 4th in the diamond being home plate. You have to get around all of them, and while the ball is in fair territory (between the lines in the park), it's usually "live", meaning anyone can be safe/out/a pitch can be thrown/anything. And since you want to get around all the bases, while waiting for a pitch, you want to get just a bit closer to the next base. If you go too far, the pitcher can just not pitch and throw the ball to first base to try and catch you.
The first throw didn't catch him, but since the ball is still "live" and the red guy steps off the base, he can be tagged out.
The guy with the red hat didn't have a glove. He was the runner, on offense, trying to get around the bases, in this case. He got tagged out when the other player tagged him with the ball when he wasn't on the base. Ball in glove is treated as ball when tagging someone.
For further context, the fielder who fooled the runner was Todd Helton. One of the great first basemen in the last few decades. I'm pretty sure this trick play was right near the end of his 17 year career (all 17 years for one team, the Colorado Rockies, btw).
For me it's even better knowing that it's a smart play by a wily veteran to grab an out. And he's so nonchalant! He tags him and then just immediately trots off the field (it must have been the third out).
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I haven't seen the batsman slice the ball so hard in the air he manages to get all the way around but the ball gets missed in the flood lights, backspins into the home plate guard's hands and gets tagged out.
That's why I said nearly. There's always going to be exceptions. But even then, they'll happen once, and lose their flourish, they're flare. Over time, this sport is going to run out of all these crazy possibilities. And it's probably going to get duller and duller as it does.
Mdaha ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:27:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a question. In this situation when the runner gets thrown out trying to steal and that ends the inning, the next inning, is the batter the same or did he lose his at bat?
yes, because it's a new inning and i don't believe the previous at bat counts as an "at bat"
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:34:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fact it doesn't even count as a plate appearance.
DVNO ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:24:00 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are usually a few guys each year who have "ghost" appearances in games. That is, they're pinch hitting in the last inning and a runner ends the game. They were up to bat, but never get credited due to it not being an official plate appearance.
If it didn't reset it would create a lot of problems. Example you could have 3 balls and want to head into the next inning with a high chance for a lead off. So the player on first just purposely gets out. On the flip side starting a inning down 2 strikes would be kind of demoralizing.
Baseball is kind of an odd game, in the sense that there is a real feel of a sort of sectioned of play, like how American football is stop and go, except the play is always actually going, if you know what I mean.
moeburn ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:15:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's saying that unlike most other high-speed, constant action sports, there's no play clock in baseball, so the game is almost always "in play". Timeouts are relatively rare and short lived in baseball, compared to any other sport. Even though people can look like they're just standing around, waiting for the next play, the game is still technically in play, and you can still technically do tricks like this.
I'd argue that baseball timeouts are relatively common, they're just all very short. The only ones long enough to break to commercials on TV broadcasts, for example, are usually pitching changes or the end of each half-inning.
Three examples of really short timeouts off the top of my head:
When the pitcher is taking a long time preparing to throw the pitch, the batter might request a timeout to step out of the batter's box and loosen up
If the ball hits the dirt or otherwise scuffed or altered, the umpire will usually call time to trade a new ball with the catcher, so there's a clean and visible ball in play
When someone first reaches a base, time might be called if a runner messed up some part of their uniform during the play. For instance, if someone loses their helmet diving into 2nd, they'll call time to get the helmet back.
It still had momentum from him running forward, even though he pushed it back a bit.
If you could find a camera angle where the camera wasn't following him, you'd seem them both moving toward 2nd, even though the helmet moves a bit slower after he kicks it.
The equivalent in cricket probably couldn't happen. For one thing, the fielding team's captain would almost certainly refuse to accept it as 'out', because a trick like that would be considered poor sportsmanship. For another, once the player has safely run back to his 'crease', the ball would be considered dead, and the player would be free to casually walk around without worrying about getting out.
It's explanations like these that make sports like baseball seem much more trivial. Like a child's game that evolved into something that people get paid millions of dollars to play.
I dont remember, dont watch much baseball, I just always asumed stuff like this wasnt allowed, I think stuff like that was prohibited from my league when I was in middle school maybe?
I'm not even sure that he noticed the guy faking the throw. His head appears to be aimed at the ground the whole time. To me, it looked like he scuffed up his hands and got distracted by that.
is this considered bad sportsmanship in baseball? I know it is in the rules but it seems like one of those things that you just don't do. Baseball seems to have a fair amount of unwritten rules. Like when someone hits a batter and the other team will hit your batter especially if it is a rival.
Tankh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you go too far away from the base the pitcher will throw the ball to the base hoping to catch you too far away from the base
are all these "The base" the same base, or are you talking about 2 or 3 different ones?
I'm not a baseball guy so maybe this is a stupid question, but does that rule actually apply to home as well? You can't really get thrown out at home because you lead off trying to steal first, can you? Or is there some obscure and unlikely situation that makes that possible?
The scenario in the gif could not happen at home plate. Home is where the batter tries to hit the ball into play, you can't lead off home plate because you need to hit the pitch.
Yeah, I'm familiar with the bare basics of baseball, but the comment I responded to said it applied to the other 3 bases besides first, which would include home. That's why I was wondering if maybe it was possible somehow to attempt a steal from home.
The closest thing I can think of is a dropped 3rd strike with no runner occupying 1st base, the batter can make a run for first and be safe if he makes it before the ball does. But other than that, nope.
In the event of a strikeout the catcher has to make a clean catch of the ball in order to get the out.
So for example:
The batter has 2 strikes, he swings at a pitch and misses, but the ball goes past the catcher, the runner is still alive and can try to be safe by reaching first base before the catcher either tags him or throws the ball to first base.
In many cases the catcher will drop the ball but immediately recover it and touch the batter before the batter realizes what happened, in other cases the catcher has to chase after the ball then throw it to first.
Its very rare that a ball gets so far away from a catcher that a runner is able to reach first base safely, but it's still an important play because in this instance the other runners who are already on base are able to advance.
Okay, but that's still not really comparable to the play made in the gif, right? I guess what I'm wondering is if there actually is a way to attempt to steal first from home and be tagged out by the catcher for doing so, in the same way that the runner in the gif was tagged out by the first baseman. Because that seemed to be the implication of the comment I originally responded to, but that, based on my limited knowledge of the game, doesn't seem like it should be possible.
Is this a cheap/frowned upon move to do though? Tricky, deceptive plays similar to this in cricket would be called 'not in the spirit of the game'. And players to violate that rule are given hell in the press
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:40:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok thanks. It was pretty entertaining to watch after all. For the record, here is an example in cricket where a trick play is frowned upon https://youtu.be/qsZTPrU4JjY
Yeah some people would call it cheap but probably just the team it gets pulled on, it's the runners fault so while it is a trick play it's not a cheap play
It's not like filing your taxes or driving a car. Baseball is America's third most popular sport at the professional level. Plenty of people don't watch it. Also, as someone who played growing up, I wouldn't really call this a "fundemental" of the rules.
Well idk it's relatively fundamental, on the base you're safe, off you're out. But only for people who have played haha, wouldn't expect foreigners to know that haha
Sure, that part is obvious. But the mechanics of why exactly the player got right off the bag and why the first baseman "faked" the throw is a pretty obscure part of the game.
Nope. That is true for quoted phrases, but when putting one word in quotes as an alternative to italics as was done here, the way it was done is correct. If you are going to be a grammar nazi, be good at it.
NevaMO ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Always one of you around to correct everything lol
WeRip ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:40:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the correction is correct. You only include punctuation in quotes if you are quoting something that needs punctuation. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
NevaMO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been told that the end quote goes after the period like the guy corrected
WeRip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but that's for quotes.. like
Marty said "Don't do that on Tuesdays." The quotation needs punctuation and ends the sentence. I think when it gets ambiguous is when you put quotes around the word to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence would you still include the period inside the quotation marks? What if he used the word "out" in the middle of the sentence?
NevaMO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah idk, I'm good at grammar but some things like this is what confuses me lol
ashkpa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:58:59 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on what style of English you're using. In AP Style (from the Associated Press, which is what most journalists use), punctuation always goes inside the quotation marks.
Yep, and a lot of other languages (Even Brits) put the punctuation outside of the quotation. It's not necessarily wrong, but some people have extreme preferences for what is "right"
WeRip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Reddit owns grammar. I was thinking the same as you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WeRip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:36:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but that's for quotes.. like
Marty said "Don't do that on Tuesdays." The quotation needs punctuation and ends the sentence. I think when it gets ambiguous is when you put quotes around the word to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence would you still include the period inside the quotation marks?
Its good to see here that the base coach did catch the trick, but it was all happened too quickly. Runners can't be careless as the ball is always in play to the end of the inning.
I'm not even an angels fan and I'm really annoyed Simmons got injured. His defence is so much fun to watch.
jrizos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:13 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That Texas one.
Chemis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:14:43 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't get what happens in the Ichiro and Angel Videos. The last one I guess has a hidden Ball Trick again? Gotta say I'm not familiar with most of the rules in Baseball
Edit: is Ichiro acting as if the other Player has Hit a homerun, and that's how he fools him?
In the Ichiro video, the outfielder made the baserunner think he was going to catch the ball so he wouldn't run very far, the reason being that you must return to your base if a ball is caught (known as tagging up) or else the defensive team can touch the base you were on when the ball was hit and get you out. Without this rule baserunners could run rampant on high fly balls and pop ups.
In the Angels video, the two infielders made the baserunner think the the ball was hit to the second baseman, and that were turning a double play (meaning he would be out), when in fact the ball was in the air. The outfielder caught the ball and got the baserunner out because he did not tag up.
On that jeter video, when the runner has passed second but has to return to first for the tag up, he heads back to first ( much too late) but touches second on his way back around. It would have only saved him a step but could he have avoided touching second on his way back?
On a ball that doesn't touch the ground, baserunners must remain on the base until after the ball is caught. The baserunner was not in contact with first base when the ball was caught by the third baseman so all the first baseman had to do was touch the base.
Most of those tricks all seem to rely on the runners not staying on base. C'mon folks, you're professionals. Unless you see the ball somewhere else, keep your foot on the bag.
ill disagree - a baserunner is taught at a very early age to always keep their foot on the bag until the umpire calls time. he just fucked up. todd helton was also a savvy first baseman. a first base coach is there to help watch the pitchers move on pickoffs, remind how many outs there are, reminds runner what he might be doing or not doing on a batted ball, holds batting gloves and shin guards. sure a first base coach could help spot a hidden ball but its not his primary 'job'. and i heard some yelling 'back' so maybe he did spot it - runner just in the clouds and couldnt get back in time.
joat217 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
did he stutter?
0piat3 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:57:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, if you're the first base coach and you see a fake throw like that, while your baserunner is obviously not watching, you need to step in and go "Hey! stay on the bag! He didn't throw it!" Or something.
They are both at fault.
A good team and a good 1b coach would work together on shit like this.
Haha I've seen fans in the 1B box seats help prevent a hidden-ball out better than that 1B coach did. But yea, it's still on Matty to have good baserunning sense.
I miss Todd Helton :/ I was almost kinda sad that my Sox stopped him from getting his ring.
rake16 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:24:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously didn't play baseball. It is the players responsibility to signal to the umpire, usually a hand up towards the umpire until the umpire grants time, and then you may step off the bag and clean yourself off.
This is not on the coach.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:11 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I love arguing with morons.
Played 22 years smart guy.
The 1st baseman faked the throw. Coach missed it. Player is never going to see that. Need some communication.
Ughable ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:11:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the video you can hear people all over, probably including the coach, shouting as soon as he does the fake throw, the guy just wasn't paying attention.
I didn't hear the video the first time, thanks. Yes, the baserunner is ultimately responsible for game awareness. The coach's job is to keep him aware of pertinent information like the fact that the first baseman still had the ball. Someone mentioned in another comment that the baserunner should always call time out to dust off & readjust themselves. This would have kept him safe.
I don't have fun watching it and I always feel like I'm missing out... I think I just need to learn more of the little things about the sport.
KalTM ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:35:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the sport is hard to pick up on the the untrained eyes. Hitting a baseball at the speeds of an MLB pitcher is insanely hard. The differences in speed, location, and movement of a pitch changes the approach of every swing. Most of the entertainment comes from the cat n mouse game between the pitcher and batter.
Right? 2-0 count? Breaking ball low and away or a good 2 seamer up and in. Trying to understand whats going on in individual players' heads is a huge part of watching that people miss out on
2-0 count, but are there runners on? how many outs? Who's the batter and is it safer to pitch around him? so many factors all the time. It's such a great sport, not to mention all the history.
it's a game of subtlety and nuance, on top of a ton of technical skill and consistency required to play at the professional level. Like any game, some can become boring, but the sport is fascinating the more you learn about it.
Niflhe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:59 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife got me to really love baseball and I'm so grateful for it.
I played baseball for 10 years. I have no fun watching it. I don't mind having a game on every now and then, but I'm not just sitting there watching it. I'm doing chores or redditing or something.
Really, I had no idea, I thought I was speaking for everyone. But seriously, how many people do you know who regularly watch baseball without a beer in hand?
Yeah, that was my whole point. You need a beer in hand in order to watch baseball, which equates to baseball not being enjoyable while sober for most people.
That's just a reflection of your poor taste in memes. Dim witted people don't like dank memes. It's a proven scientific fact. I almost feel bad for you.
dyancat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:16 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be mentioned that Helton tried to do this many times during his career. He was finally successful in (iirc) his second to last year playing. It was never meant as a legitimate baseball strategy, just a guy goofing off. It was so cool that it finally worked.
There's a reason 99% of major leaguers stand on the bag until the pitcher takes the mound. It's a stupid move to walk off the bag like that; I'd never say that's the coach's fault.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:47:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nah I've played varsity baseball for 4 years, it's the first base coaches job to recognize that but it's also the runners job to stay on the bag. 50/50 fault of everyone involved
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:53:17 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got me too. I was looking at the batter and thought he actually threw it.
TRAV1S ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:58:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
And his teammates will never let him live that down.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:10 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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juandh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the black cap guy has the ball and touches the red cap guy while the red cap guy isn't touching the white square, the red cap guy is out, which is bad for the red cap guy and good for the black cap guy.
At the start of the gif the red cap guy is not touching the white square because it makes it easier for him to get to an even better white square, but then black cap guy's friend throws him the ball, so that black cap guy can touch red cap guy.
Red cap guy makes it back to the white square, whereupon black cap guy can't do shit. So black cap guy pretends to throw the ball back to his friend. Red cap guy gets up to dust himself off and forgets to keep touching the white square because he thinks black cap guy's friend has the ball. Black cap guy then touches him and, having completed this bit of trickery, leaves to go do some coke off a hooker's ass.
I think they call it "baseball". I saw it in the Simpsons a few a times.
xrats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for bringing up a painful childhood memory. I hit a double in Babe Ruth, the throw came into the shortstop, he pretended to throw it back to the pitcher, the pitcher playing along faced the batter, I started to get my lead-off in anticipation of the pitch when the shortstop tagged me. The ump called me out, and it took me a good 10 seconds to figure out what happened. My teammates ragged me at school for years after that.
Was he on the mound? I know you're not talking about the MLB but in general a play is no longer live once the pitcher is on the mound and preparing to pitch/etc.
xrats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:56 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is 20+ years ago now, but my memory of it was the pitcher was on the mound and looked like he was setting up to pitch. It was small town, 13 year olds playing ball, so who knows what the rules are or if the 18 year old ump knew them.
The runner needs to maintain contact with the base to be safe. If he's tagged with the ball while not on the base he is out. The fielder pretended to throw the ball back to the pitcher and tagged the runner when he was took his foot off the base, so he was called out.
jebuz23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:23 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some trick plays in sports I don't like, but I love me a good hidden ball trick.
The baseman pretended to throw the ball. He didn't. The runner stopped touching the base. The baseman then tagged him with the ball. If you're a runner and if you're not on a base and you're tagged with the ball you're out (exception: You've just hit the ball and you're running to First Base and you overrun the base but don't veer towards second but instead veer into the foul ball area then you're fine).
Woolver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:43 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So what does "beeing out" mean?
Do the others get a point, does he get a penalty of sorts?
The look on the other dude standing back was priceless
Zharol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:33 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the first base coach -- who either blew his job, or the baserunner didn't listen to him. Either way avoiding this play is a big part of why he's there.
Learned this lesson in little league. Slid to steal second, pitcher threw to the second baseman, I made it, but the baseman kept his glove on me. I started to get up, took my foot off the base, and was called out. At the time I had no idea that's how it worked, I thought once you make it you're safe.
Edit: But shouldn't the guy in the gif have been safe? He was outside the baseline when tagged. His left foot was off the ground and his right foot was outside.
That rule only applies if you run past first and turn left right while batting--it's to stop people from sliding into first all the damn time and causing injuries. You're allowed to run past first and be safe even if you're off the bag if you turn right and don't go over the line towards second. Once you do, you're vulnerable, even if you cross back over to the foul side of the line. I think that's how it goes, anyway
Clarification, right (from the runner's perspective) on first. Outside the bassline you're safe. To my eye he was over the line, it doesn't matter if he was running or stepping.
Unless I'm wrong, and it only counts for singles. Is it batter only, or is it safe for leading?
He was on the dugout-side of the line when he was tagged, but he had already crossed toward second base, thus making him vulnerable. Although it looks like this play took place later, after he had already been on base--the "turn right after you run past first" rule is pretty much only for the action right after you hit the ball--it has no application after that, really. So it's only for the batter as he runs in, doesn't count for people leading off like the guy in question here.
He could have called timeout by signaling to the ump as he stood up, or he could have kept a body part on the bag as he stood up. Or 90% of the time he would have been okay anyway because the first baseman usually just throws it back.
The batter-runner may turn left or right, provided that if he turns left he does not make an attempt to advance. An attempt is a judgment made by the umpire. The requirement is that the runner must immediately return to first after overrunning or over-sliding it.
I don't see how you can "turn" left, and have that not be an "attempt to advance," though. I mean, you could sort of veer left, although I don't know why you would, since the first baseman would be in your way...
We were taught to always run through first on a single. Always turn right, sure you can turn left but then your intent is up for interpretation - usually against you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:42 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was in 2013. I can't recall if the Rockies had been mathematically eliminated at this point, but they were on death's doorstep if not (likely, maybe one or two losses away max), whereas the cardinals were fighting to keep their first place spot in the NL Central.
This was in the first inning with two outs already, so it wasn't particularly jarring, but they went on to win the game 7-6 in like eighty bazillion extra innings.
I remember this in particular detail because I eating lunch with a coworker who thinks baseball is retarded at a bar, and I was in the process of defending the game until this happened, and I was unable to continue in good conscience.
The runner has to be touching the base (white square) to be safe. If he is off the base and gets tagged with the ball then he is out. The first baseman (guy with the glove) pretended to throw the ball and tagged the runner when his foot came off the base, so the runner is out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I guess these subtle interactions can only happen in baseball then.
They don't happen often in baseball either. First base coaches are supposed to watch for exactly that sort of thing. They only have a couple jobs and that's one of them. That's why the runner gave the coach that nasty look.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:45 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the coach should have told him that he isn't safe yet
zamu16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet when you're running to first, you don't need to actually stop and just touch it running past... Is that the unwritten rule cause that seems super dumb.. Never understood that...
LuluHu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:27 on August 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soccer fans would tie themselves in knots trying to explain that, while entirely legal, this play somehow violates unwritten rules of the game and brings shame upon the first baseman and his supporters.
Basically this play happens a million times a year. The ball is tossed back to the baseman to cause the runner to return to the base. Keeps him from leading towards the next base too far. The runner is only safe from being tagged out when touching the base.
So even though the play is 'live' there is a lot of routine tossing of the ball, players touching the base etc in a very lackluster fashion because 99.9% of the time it's just going through the motions.
In this case the baseman uses the routine nature of this play against the runner by pretending to toss the ball back to the pitcher. The runner casually steps off the bag, something he should fucking know not to do, and is tagged out. It's a dirty play but 100% legit. I feel I've seen enough soccer coverage to know that this would be a much bigger deal in that sport.
I feel like I'm the only one who agrees with you. Fuck sportsmanship apparently. Just trick people instead of training to be better, it's easier and legal and no one cares.
You're saying that about one of the most sportsmanlike retired baseball players in the history of the game, spends his entire career with one team, refuses trades for lower money just to stay there, and has done so much for the community. He didn't stick around to gloat, he didn't make some funky endzone dance or batflip, he just used the rules of the game, something thats been done for decades before Helton did it.
Like other sports baseball takes speed, concentration, strength, quick reflexes, and the balls to face a pitcher throwing at 90+ mph at you. But you can still have a little fun with it.
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SeaLionOfDoom ยท 1288 points ยท Posted at 18:23:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Similar play
I took this gif from /u/TheKillector off of /r/whitesox
smithsp86 ยท 462 points ยท Posted at 18:31:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best part about that is you know the manager is going to be so smug when they get back to the dugout. I'd bet money that he spotted before that the runner wouldn't put his foot on the bag before removing his hand and told the first baseman to look for it.
gologologolo ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 20:39:47 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it baseball manager and not baseball coach, and not base but bag?
Forest-G-Nome ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 20:56:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you're not just coaching, you're basically a statistician.
PM_ME_MESSY_BUNS ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 00:24:42 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thanks brad pitt
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:40:02 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Billy Bean was the General Manager of the A's, slight difference. GMs don't sit in the dugout or really have an impact on the game at all. The manager, while they are glorified statisticians, do impact the game, especially in the National League where the pitcher hits. Strategically pinch hitting and/or making a defensive double switch can win a game for a team. The person that would have yelled at Matt Carpenter (the baserunner) would be the manager Mike Matheny, not the GM John Mozaliak. So referencing Moneyball doesn't exactly work.
AstroWorldSecurity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:08 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I almost had a fit until I realized you meant the GM doesn't have an impact during the game.
sedatemenow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:03:44 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball is the most confusing sport. I didn't know designated hitters were only in the AL.
DickSuckingGoat ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 21:03:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The manager isn't really a coach, he manages the team throughout the game choosing which players to put in and take out. Choosing where players in the field should position themselves based on the batter's tendencies of where they hit it and other things like these. And base and bag are used interchangeably
Connguy ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:08:16 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the sort of decision-making coaches do in every other sport too...
norminthedorm ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:35:59 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball teams do have coaches too. They have batting coaches and pitching coaches but the manager is there to specifically manage, he won't get involved much in the teaching aspect that coaches do.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:30:35 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do football teams and the head coach acts very much like the manager. Coordinators call the plays and game plan. Position coaches focus on technique. The head coach manages the whole show. Not much different really.
Im_Daydrunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:17 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except football coaches will occasionally come up with plays and formations that will be used and coach their team through them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:24 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like the baseball manager positioning players and calling for the shift based on batters tendancies. Head football coaches might do some coaching here and there but they are more or less managing the assistants and giving advice. A head coach who was a former lineman coach may lend some tips to the lineman but he isn't spending all week coaching them up. He's managing the rest of the team as well.
psuedophilosopher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:42:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
based on what the others are saying, as I have no knowledge of it myself, it sounds like the difference is the coach is focused on his own players, and their tendencies and how they respond to things, where as the manager focuses on the opposing team's players and advises the team on what to look for and expect from the opponents.
TheOnyxHero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:00:59 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Managers will also relay signs, overrule some plays, change defensive alignments (extra infielder, extra outfielder, shifts). The catcher usually calls the game, but the manager will also put in stuff, as you see the catcher looks in for dugout for stuff (watching a runner, pickoffs, pitchouts). The coaches and managers are extra eyes, if they see something or catch something they relay it the players. That's why I am shocked the first base coach didn't say anything, or maybe he just didn't see it.
SlinkToTheDink ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:40:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that different from a basketball coach? It's more just what words have been used in the past, there is really no difference.
titos334 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:45:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball teams have coach's but the manager just isn't one really at all. The manager just manages the team, the first base coach and third base coach give out calls, the manager sends orders to the bullpen. Some managers mico manage at-bats but a lot of that is delegated as well.
SlinkToTheDink ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:55:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the same in basketball. I replied in detail in another comment. But to add onto that, many times the assistant coaches shout out plays or draw up plays in a timeout. These coaches (offense or defense) are responsible for determining the game plan as well, which the head coach obviously approves and communicates at a high level to the team.
faloompa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:25:44 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if assistant coaches in basketball perform the duties of a Team Manager, then they are poorly named, no? Not the other way around. Not sure why you want to spread the misnomer to baseball.
jus10beare ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:01:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
832drip ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:20:18 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's the same in basketball. The GM manages who is on the team, the coach calls out the individual plays.
You are arguing against a fact. Manager in baseball is very different from coach. They are two separate things and no amount of arguing will change that.
Smigg_e ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:45:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basketball head coaches actually coach the team on how to play better. Baseball has coaches that do that. The manager is basically a strategist
SlinkToTheDink ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:54:25 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the same for professional basketball, there are several assistants - offensive coach, defensive coach, shooting coach, big man coach, etc.
Smigg_e ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:59:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that. What I'm saying is a basketball head coach will tell a player how to guard someone better or get around someone to score. Coaching them. Baseball the manager isn't responsible for helping a pitchers mechanics or helping a player with his swing. It's hard to explain honestly.
faloompa ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:27:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, you were almost there. You're spot on, he doesn't tell them how to play or play better, he is the overall strategist, more of a chess player, putting the best pieces in the best positions for the (hopefully) best outcome.
Swazzoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:37:17 on May 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are joking right? That's exactly what a coach is doing.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:23:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DrTheloniusTinkerton ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I heard that joke I fell off my dinosaur.
JD-King ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:05:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First base is the location the bag is the object. Also you have pitching coaches and running coaches and others so the manager oversees everyone. Or I could be pulling this out of my ass. You decide...
cubbsfann1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:53 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can't say Ive seen a team with a "Running Coach", but there are many different types of coaches on a baseball team.
a_vasquez96 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:51:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are boobies good? They just are
Squidbit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:14:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just does
MachoMundo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:29 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they're soft and squishy, and they help us identify and evaluate the healthiness of the potential mate behind them.
tman_elite ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:57:59 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In baseball, there's a team of coaches. The "head" coach has the title of
generalmanager.*And "bag" is just slang for "base" because they're sort of soft.
UGABravesFan ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:10:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, the General Manager and manager are not the same person. The GM makes most of the teams operational decisions. The manager manages the team.
Kritical02 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:12:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
General manager is different from team manager. The GM is in charge of rosters and draft etc. Think Brad Pitt in Moneyball.
And they are called bags because back in the day before bases were installed on pegs they were literally just bags full of dirt.
daimposter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:25 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When referring to that white square, both base and bag are the same.
It is a coach but 'manager' is just baseball's way of saying 'head coach'.
cubbsfann1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:10 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, a manager doesn't do much coaching of the players at all. The manager is in charge of who is starting, what pitchers are warming up, who's pinch hitting, etc. Every team has other coaches who actually interact with players on certain aspects of the game.
daimposter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:55 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So like a head coach in football?
cubbsfann1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:02 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda, I would say a head coach in football is a combination of what a manager does, but also a coach. A lot of head football coaches help coach positions as well. A special teams coach may also have a large say over who is playing that day and what plays to run, while a pitching coach really doesn't have any say over who is pitching.
trickman01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Managers used to also be responsible for booking travel and lodging arrangements in addition to being in the position of "head coach". That's actually why they are called managers.
ItsCumToThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, do you even Moneyball?
Empirial_Gunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:32 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch Moneyball
Haight_Is_Love ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:47 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because in the early days of baseball, the coach would handle a lot more than just coaching players including, but not limited to arranging travel plans and whatnot. I would go more in depth, but I'm at work and my history of baseball (yes, it's a class) notebook is at home.
enginexnumber9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:16 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it may just be the term still used from when it was common to just have player/managers for teams. The manager was just an experienced player on the field (usually the catcher) rather than a coach on the bench. Now managers are more or less head coaches but the term remains.
fennourtine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:02 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Base" is more often used to refer to the location, whereas the physical object at that location is the bag.
brainiac2025 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:02:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Helton tries this pretty frequently, I'm guessing it was his call.
toxygen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:34 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Mmhmm. Exactly.
I know some of these words
benihana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:24:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he's not though. he's going to be pissed at his first base coach for not telling the runner the guy still had the ball. look at the runner's disappointment at the coach. he's like dude you left me hanging
LetsWorkTogether ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:38 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other manager.
Kritical02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hes talking about the defending teams manager. He probably had a talk with the first baseman between innings letting him know about this behavior from the runner on first.
bclem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do he did the thing he gets payed to do?
moeburn ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 21:04:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is called the "hidden ball trick", where a baseman pretends to throw the ball back to the pitcher, but doesn't, and then waits for the baserunner to take a foot off the bag. It's perfectly legal.
There's a collection of hidden ball trick gifs, as well as other "thinking man plays", in /r/headsupbaseball
D0ct0rJ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:03:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sub is amazing! I wish there were more posts!
GreekHubris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:39 on May 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish there was a bot there, explaining all the moves.
BloodyJourno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:00 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna add: it's legal within certain contexts. The ball needs to be "in play" and the pitcher can't be in contact with either the mound dirt or the rubber itself; I can't remember which off the top of my head.
TheGonadWarrior ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:03:43 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing this sub. Awesome
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:16:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was cheeky as fuck
Thesweetlenny ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 18:33:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only mistake Ozzie Guillen ever made. Just ask him I'm sure he'll tell you all about it. For days. Like, months.
r3djak ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:13:03 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, ok cool, I'll just go ask him...
gologologolo ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:40:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good ole Ozzie my bud
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:23:47 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WTF_SilverChair ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:38:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liar, Liar, /u/Briaronfire.
andee510 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:35:45 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But don't bring the kids unless you let them watch rated R movies.
Ughable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:47 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was actually the second time that game that he fell for it.
Kritical02 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:28:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that game but it was the second time within a matter of a few weeks.
Ughable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, must have been in the same series of games or something. In the video of that one the commentators say it's the second time he fell for it.
ggtsu_00 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:38:17 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/boop
eisbaerBorealis ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:24:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any idea how often this happens? I know I saw a current play like this at least a few years ago.
bert_scurver ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:53:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you this is the second time this happened to ozzy in a period of six weeks. Which explains the look on his face. "Again? Are you kidding me?"
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:47:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely didn't know that! But all in all, this is still fairly rare right?
bert_scurver ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:03:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I used to watch a lot of baseball when I was younger, and I never saw this happen live. According to Wikipedia, the hidden ball trick has been executed fewer than 300 times in the 100+ year history of MLB.
You can be a pro and still make mistakes, but this is the kind of mistake you work out in little league. Which also goes toward explaining the look on ozzy's face
blood_bender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:33 on May 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First one you can chalk up to a "wtf". Second one... that's on you.
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:32:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*boop*
TheKillector ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha you SOB I've never gotten that many upvotes.
SeaLionOfDoom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:04:00 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha sorry! I'll make sure I upvote all of your posts on the team subreddit.
bubba_pants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:44:38 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw... Fine, have one of mine.
B3yondL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't watch baseball at all but that seems really cheap and a stupid rule altogether.
ihavefoodpoisoning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:14 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really sorry but I don't know baseball and I don't understand the clip. Can anyone explain?
MundaneInternetGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:01 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the runner is on the base, he's safe. But if he's off the base, he can be tagged out by whoever has the ball.
In this gif, the runner was declared safe on the initial play, and 99.99% of the time, the fielder will throw the ball back to the pitcher so he can throw the next pitch. It's so routine for that to happen that people automatically relax after the safe call. But the fielder tricked the runner into thinking he threw the ball back, so the runner thought he could step off the base to adjust his pants or something and still be safe.
And like, it's such a basic rule that you have to stay on the base to be safe. When professional players forget to stay alert and get fooled by this, you can always see that oh shit look on their face because the coach is about to tear them a new asshole.
ihavefoodpoisoning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:59 on May 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many thanks!
cpttim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:30 on May 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that the runner is number 13 in both Gifs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:39 on July 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahahaha boop, you're out
eyehate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't stand sports.
But stuff like that, and the OPS gif, make me understand the appeal.
moeburn ยท 763 points ยท Posted at 20:57:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when it doesn't work, it's still just as hilarious:
http://i.imgur.com/HHtqYf3.gifv
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[deleted] ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 22:28:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was so much more nonchalant than I'd expect in a pro game
Dennis-Moore ยท 236 points ยท Posted at 00:07:46 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball has a monopoly on nonchalance in pro sports. I think it comes from not having a clock.
BloodyJourno ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 01:35:56 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have a large number of people who know pretty much their entire day is going to be consumed by baseball all congregated onto the same field. I believe baseball produces some of the best characters sports has ever seen.
jewjitsu121 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:07:42 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joey votto and Brandon Phillips make up stupid handshakes and make fun of each other during games. They have way too much time on their hands
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:05 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well put. Look at mother Fulkers like Ty Cobb.
hakuna_tamata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:31 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the incredibly slow progression of it.
thecolbra ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 05:56:12 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/5/1/8/155412518/102315_tor_colabello_medres_hxobaf6g.gif
redrhyski ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:17:18 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Yo, man! You dropped your credibility!"
bubba_pants ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:45:56 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Newp."
SDMF91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:31 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't."
lolmycat ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 22:13:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He really didn't sell it. should of came up like he was gonna talk to him. glove over his mouth.
zeelt ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 23:04:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should have.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:17:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't
throwtac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could've
Spmsl ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 23:57:59 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should of
unoriginalsin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:07:05 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shoulda had.
PM_YOUR_HEELS_GIRLS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:31 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should of be used in a sentence like this?
seficarnifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:26 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should've used it correctly
PM_YOUR_HEELS_GIRLS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:45:14 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read it again. Should the word "of" be used in the sentence? Track question.
numbermess ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should of have had.
bgzlvsdmb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:40 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he knew, was just waiting for him to come up.
Iprobablyjustlied ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:58:55 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like he touched him right before his foot hit the bag.
mutatersalad1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't. Watch it again
anarchyreigns ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:04:17 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an umpire I could watch that again and again. Lol.
relishcuriosity ยท 1142 points ยท Posted at 17:48:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a baseball fan I could watch this continuously for hours. BUT as a Cubs fan I could watch this continuously for daysssss.
TheDownvoted1 ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 18:01:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a dodger fan, I agree.
npfiii ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 18:07:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rays fan here - I just like to be involved...
[deleted] ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 18:12:09 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Braves fan - What's baseball again?
npfiii ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 18:15:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Constant source of disappointment?
goatsaredumb ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:20:16 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tigers fan here...fml...
grand_royal ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:27:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we will see Upton on that white bag thingy.
npfiii ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:25:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His name's Verlander, and we can always hope for a leaked tape...
Ryan_on-iPhone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:41 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to him? He was absolutely amazing in '11 and '12, now he's just above average to garbage
goatsaredumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:53 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He chose the non clemons route and decided to NOT take roids it seems...sucker...
CHARA_SMASH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on June 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory Fuck Roger Clemens.
Marrouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:32 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you call Justin Verlander that "white bag thingy"!
colonelnebulous ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:51:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/nGP6zex
heythisislonglolwtf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:46 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's only May, there's still plenty of baseball left this year!! Right?? .....Shit we need a better bullpen
pernox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twins fan, I feel your pain.
LucidDaze ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:14:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brit here. I like sport too.
npfiii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:23 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brit here too, and Baseball is a bloody good one to get into.
LucidDaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My gf just got back from a holiday to the states and watched the Dodgers, she says it was truly a spectacle. I may have to take a more active interest.
Enriquehotpantz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
goatsaredumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:43 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily my wife supports the Tigers and I in turn support her Dodgers so I can feel some wins vicariously though her...until the playoffs I guess and Kershaw gets horribly mismanaged again.
Imnotbrown ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:26:10 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to join this thread but i havent followed baseball since the Astros became shit
desmondhasabarrow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since they became shit this year, or since they became shit as a whole? They made the playoffs last year...
npfiii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best mascot in the majors though...so...yeah...that's something.
skizmcniz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely. Orbit is the greatest, even better than the Phanatic.
phisherman77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:08:44 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Became? Did I miss something? When were they "good"? Been many years since Mike Scott.
Imnotbrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:02 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They had a breakout year in 05 I think and after they got stomped by the White Sox I quit watching
adaywithevan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Padres fan, what's a win?
SupperZombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:14 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reds fan here. Just sadness.
rey_sirens22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Braves fan who's originally from Detroit... The only day I won't be completely disappointed this season is when the Tigers come to Turner field cuz then at least one of my teams will have to win.
goatsaredumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:48 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will they? Game goes into the 15th tied 0-0. Rain. No make up game.
rey_sirens22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:50 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please god no don't jinx it. That's the only day I'm allowed to be happy, don't you take that away from me.
ImTotallyADoctor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:55:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Rockies fan, yes.
Seminal_Sound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:31 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of us!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone call the fire department, this one's outta control!
msuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S POOP AGAIN
tilty83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He called the shit poop.
Stalked_Like_Corn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bodied.
jeihkeih ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:53 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Angels fan here... change our name back to Anaheim please.
dackinthebox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another braves fan, that sounds right
Kvothealar ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:27:55 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leafs fan - Why do I even bother.
FugDuggler ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:49:10 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a cardinals fan, i expect to be downvoted...
Enriquehotpantz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:36:00 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow cards fan checking in, have an upvote!
FugDuggler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:02:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
right back at ya, best fan in baseball!
phisherman77 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:09:42 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Yankees fan, I'm just here for the down votes.
Julius-Strangepork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:18:02 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fan here checking in and I oscillate.
kmacku ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:53:10 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reds fan checking inโnot sure, really, but I think the symptoms involve chronic depression.
spacecase89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. We'll go worst to first again just like 1991
JuliusSeizure_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blue Jays fan here, I don't seem to see a home run in this clip, are you sure this is baseball?
YeOldeMuppetPastor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's that shitty thing that's moving to the suburbs.
Ass_Fault ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:58 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SIDE NOTE I HATE THAT ANTHEM THEY PLAY AT YOUR STADIUM EVERY TIME A PLAYER COMES UP TO BAT PLS FIX
joshj5hawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:05 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Minnesota had a MLB team.
rank_1_glad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:56 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
soccer fan here - who plays baseball?
jasonreid1976 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:37 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That one sport we used to dominate several years ago.
BR0THAKYLE ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:05:44 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Padres fan here: we're only good for having one of the top parks in baseball. Aaaaaaaaand we've never made playoffs since its been built.
BR0prahWinfrey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:14:23 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey don't sell us short, we happen to be the best farm team for the rest of the majors
phisherman77 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want Headley back?
BR0prahWinfrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do you have any B team lineups you are looking to get rid of? we'll take 3rd stringers too
squirmdragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:59 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel better...I'm a Cardinals fan and the very first game I ever got to personally attend at Busch Stadium was one against the Padres. And we lost.
BR0THAKYLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:42 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel better.... That doesn't make me feel any better.
AnotherBoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:09 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...we've made the play-offs twice while at Petco.
BR0THAKYLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:08 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stand corrected.
ImAlex1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:29 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
me and you both
Luis707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A's fan here, I'm just glad we broke our losing streak. Thanks!
Alex470 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:23 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'll get you tonight.
TheDownvoted1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:21 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost!
Michaelscot8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:13 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dodgers and Cardinals fan... I feel very conflicted about this...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:14 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a cardinal fan... I'm the best gam in baseball.
Skatchbro ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 20:58:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Cards fan, I just sit back and watch highlight reels from Game 6 of the 2011 World Series.
Sveinson ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:26:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs porn when you have the game 6 highlight reel?
I am also a Cards fan.
027915 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:29:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Rangers fan, you mind if I join you and just go ahead and kill myself?
Alex470 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:30:08 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still watch Game 6 to this day as a Cards fan. Can't help but feel bad for you guysโthe Rangers' bench looked devastated. Freese got a standing ovation coming back to Busch a few days ago as a Pirate. Was really happy to see that!
mambo_matt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:21 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered!
jlacomb17 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:52:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rangers fan here. This clip is like drugs to me.
Peechez ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:30:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jays fan here, I have nothing to say about the gif but how about a knucklebalgifinstead
jlacomb17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:55 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon :'(
AlmostWorthless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:53 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/1KOggym
jlacomb17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:13 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah man...uncalled for
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:28:32 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Cardinals fan, I just usually watch this
gunnyguy121 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:17 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
aww man i just came all over my new pants
Corrupt-Spartan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:45:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BEST SALADS IN BASEBAWL reds fan here
Acute_Procrastinosis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only they could throw a baseball like they toss salad.
yellsaboutjokes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:31 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS IS AN ANALINGUS JOKE
brainkandy87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:36 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HELLO CUBSBRO
ASpoonfulOfAwesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:47 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Rockies fan, I feel I get more enjoyment than anyone out of this. Until I remember that I'm a Rockies fan...
andee510 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:31:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you can wait for a championship for centuries!
Zornig ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Century. And that's gonna come to end soon.
Biologos101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Cards fan, I could still watch it for days
Nope. No 100 year World Series joke here.
clybourn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go Cubs!
Fermorian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Pirates fan, I am sad today. No fucking denying that Arrieta is a monster though
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:41 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, I watch every time it's reposted with joy.
DanAtkinson ยท -78 points ยท Posted at 18:26:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a football (soccer) fan, I can watch this once, shrug and move on.
Looks like a game of tag with a ball.
Agastopia ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 18:33:02 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, your sport looks like a bunch of fully grown men chasing a ball around
Oh wait that's what it is
jamesaw22 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:49:07 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't most professional sports played by fully grown men? And involve some amount of ball chasing?
Agastopia ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:50:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm just chirping his sport since he decided to be one of the really cool people who want to let everyone know how much he doesn't like sport x in a thread about sport x
DanAtkinson ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 18:56:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that I don't like baseball. I don't care about it either way. It is quite a slow game though, like cricket.
WKCLC ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:51:25 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but soccer, all of those 0-0 games, so much excitement
DanAtkinson ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
0-0 is definitely an exciting scoreline! Wondering right up to the last minute whether your team is going to score! Now a 7-0 trouncing, that's boring. Especially if you're on the losing side!
A_Cranb3rry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you feel a need to come into a post about a sport you don't like, comment you don't like it, then proceed to argue about it?
DanAtkinson ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucking broken? Did you not read my comment or something? Let me quote it for you:
A_Cranb3rry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You still came I'm here and bashed the sport. Why do you need to post how you see this gif shrug and move on. Which you clearly can't do.
DanAtkinson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By 'bashed the sport' you're referring to the game of tag, I assume? This seems like an extremely accurate representation of what's happening in the gif.
A_Cranb3rry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you feel the need to post that comment. You say you can shrug and move on when you clearly can't.
limejl ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's telling that American sports can't be exciting without anyone scoring. That's not true for football. Not at all actually.
WKCLC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its telling because we don't want to spend money to go to a game, cheer our asses of for 90+ minutes and have it end in a tie? I would rather watch chess, at least 99% of those matches end in a winner.
limejl ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the only reason you would attend a game is to see who wins and not to experience the game itself and support your club then yeah, it sure is telling about the sport.
WKCLC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying the only reason is a strawman argument. I never said only. but it is the major reason why it isn't nearly as exciting to watch. Doesn't surprise me you draw conclusions though, as you did the same when generalizing "americans".
limejl ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did I generalize Americans?
I think the fact that a lot of people thinks that a 0-0 draw can't be exciting most likely means that the sports they follow are only exciting when there are a lot of points scored.
Some of the best matches I've ever seen have ended 0-0.
WKCLC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? How is this not generalizing americans?
limejl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:57:56 on May 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. I might have generalized American sports, but not the American people.
Pats420 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:40:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think of it more as men falling to the ground and pretending to be hurt.
FancyPunk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:03 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the flopping. So much flopping.
MizerokRominus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until someone actually gets their shit cut open O_O
nightpanda893 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like you could call soccer running up and down a field chasing a ball. All sports can be made to sound stupid.
RossLikeSauce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:25:56 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol your sport looks like a bunch of paid actors running around and acting like their femur is in 19 pieces for 30 seconds then they're all good.
DanAtkinson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:53 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean 'my sport'? Do you mean the most popular team sport in the world? Yeah, some players are dodgy with their antics. Usually those players are in La Liga where contact is pretty much verboten. The British game has a lot more contact, so overseas players are more prone to diving because they're used to the lack of contact.
They look like retarded fish out of water when they do, and their own fans laugh at them as a result.
Agastopia ยท 1991 points ยท Posted at 17:36:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So for anyone who doesn't know the rules of baseball, if you're on the white base you're safe. If you're off it, you're vulnerable to be "out". By stepping off the base you get closer to the next one, so everyone does it. If you go too far away from the base the pitcher will throw the ball to the base hoping to catch you too far away from the base so that the player will tag the runner and get them out. By faking the throw, he fooled the player who was on the ground into thinking the pitcher had the ball again.
sirMarcy ยท 1050 points ยท Posted at 19:10:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thanks you for explanataion, I understood nothing
studmuffffffin ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 19:25:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On Base = Safe Zone
Off Base = Danger Zone
[deleted] ยท 238 points ยท Posted at 19:58:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:13:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:19:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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masterbagger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:15 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to make a simplified explanation more complicated guys...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:26 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
sonofaresiii ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:20:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ice can be in water, we don't call them both water
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:48 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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sonofaresiii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are not referred to commonly by the same name and have different properties.
JavaPants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does rocks float on lava?
readonlyuser ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:27:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kenny Loggins = Danger Zone
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you tell me where the highway is please?
[deleted] ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 19:42:09 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Kongo204 ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 20:41:00 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LANAAAA
mainman879 ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 20:47:42 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT
[deleted] ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 20:53:41 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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BTill232 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 22:24:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ZONA PELIGROSA LANA
QuillFurry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:02:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EVERY. TIME.
Shraker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:41:03 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
danger zone
WHAAAT_dangerzone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:07 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:00 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should start charging people to enter you
El_Burnsta ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:45:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
danger zone
AlwaysHnnngry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:29 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon.
TrumpHiredIllegals ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:30:14 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, for the last time I will not sit on your safe base Archer.
nightpanda893 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:08:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you dumb it down a shade?
GiverOfTheKarma ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:28:45 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
white = good
other = bad
TrumpHiredIllegals ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball is a thinking mans game son. Sorry.
Cristian_01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Simpler!
HighPriestofShiloh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball = hot lava
sillybandland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've triggered the Archer circlejerk
Ancine_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does he have to touch you? With any arm?
beardochris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has to tag you with the ball, either in hand or in glove. But he can't have the ball in the glove and touch you with the non gloved hand.
Mecha_Derp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the ball or the glove having the ball in it
finallynamenottaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Base Path = Highway
Artrobull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:44 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but . . . why?
danyearight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:12 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need better directions, is their like a highway I can take to get their?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:12 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On-base: Men Without Hats
Off-base: Kenny Loggins
Orion_2kTC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:05 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lannaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
DerEnder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:45 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, this is a legit move but frowned upon?
muricabrb ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:18:33 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eli5 : black cap man tricks red cap man, make him look dumdum. No pizza party for red cap man.
sirMarcy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:37:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
now we are talking
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:53 on June 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eli3
muricabrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:07 on June 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Red cap man dum dum. No get gum gum.
spidy_mds ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:22:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understood nothing as well, but basically the left guy faked that he threw the ball, while he actually still had it. When the right guy left the safe zone, the left one removed him from the game.
conspiracyeinstein ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 20:18:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An American trying to put it in more UK terms: The first baseman caught the ball as the runner legged it back. He then bamboozled the runner into thinking he bung it back. But low and behold, he was being cheeky and held it the whole time. Stepping off the bag allows your turn to be over. He was off, a real cock up, got tagged, and realized he was out. Hard lines, huh? A right mug.
gologologolo ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 20:44:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was pathetic although I doubt you were trying.
Here's a true British explanation, from a West Indian.
So whenever a batsman or runner is off the crease, you can have them run-out. Sometimes the runner will try to get a leg up by running before the bowler has bowled the ball. In those cases, the bowler can just clip off the bails from the stumps for a run out. That's what happened in the gif too. The fielder guarding the stumps pretended to throw the ball back to the bowler, but actually still had it and took the opportunity of the runner going out of the crease to knock the bails out.
bugphotoguy ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 21:08:55 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks mate. Don't know what that other bloke was prattling on about.
volabimus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:28:59 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So a Mankad without the verbal warning beforehand and months of international criticism for being unsporting.
VasectoMyspace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm surprised this is considered acceptable sportsmanship.
Snoopy_Hates_Germans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honouring the rules and fundamentals of the game and demanding that other players are held by the same standards is unsporting?
VasectoMyspace ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:19:55 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you got what I originally said and are being deliberately obtuse but I was referring to the play itself. I'm surprised it's not considered bad sportsmanship. A similar type of action in cricket that has been mentioned above is considered one of the lowest acts you can do on a field and is widely regarded to be against the spirit of the game.
Ace4994 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:23 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that the play in the gif wasn't very sportsman, but baseball is an...interesting game, atmospherically speaking. It's very laid back compared to most sports, and somehow this doesn't feel as "wrong" as it would in another sport.
Snoopy_Hates_Germans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:38:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm speaking about the cricket example. I don't consider a Mankad dismissal to be unsporting at all.
VasectoMyspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:48 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're in the very small minority then.
volabimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don Bradman
takhana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually made a hell of a lot more sense. Ta Windies man.
mynewaccount5 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you even trying? As an American I can give the best explanation. If the redcoat leaves Britain then your tea gets dumped in the harbor. If the redcoat stays in britain then his tea is safe.
DarkSkyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you get all your slang from watching people do bad cockney impressions or something.
Lizardizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:24 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone gizoogle the original? I'm at work and can't.
luis94uk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:12:59 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is it a bad thing that i understood your description better?
danman5550 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:24:41 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is on the first of 3 bases, the 4th in the diamond being home plate. You have to get around all of them, and while the ball is in fair territory (between the lines in the park), it's usually "live", meaning anyone can be safe/out/a pitch can be thrown/anything. And since you want to get around all the bases, while waiting for a pitch, you want to get just a bit closer to the next base. If you go too far, the pitcher can just not pitch and throw the ball to first base to try and catch you.
The first throw didn't catch him, but since the ball is still "live" and the red guy steps off the base, he can be tagged out.
MrPotatoPenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he got tagged out when the guy with the red cap hit him with the glove?
jasonab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:55:03 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since the ball was in the glove, yes (although he's wearing a black cap, since he's on the other team)
MrPotatoPenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
danman5550 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy with the red hat didn't have a glove. He was the runner, on offense, trying to get around the bases, in this case. He got tagged out when the other player tagged him with the ball when he wasn't on the base. Ball in glove is treated as ball when tagging someone.
MrPotatoPenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, I'm blind. Thanks anyways!
Razorpint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's on first?
npfiii ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:22:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he really was
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Carpenter
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:23 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, just wait until someone tries to explain the infield fly rule...
joewaffle1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:53 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On base ๐ off base ๐
ftk_rwn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:34 on July 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nfl
NZT-47 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:46 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ dude, this is pretty simple stuff.
Mulsanne ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 19:48:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For further context, the fielder who fooled the runner was Todd Helton. One of the great first basemen in the last few decades. I'm pretty sure this trick play was right near the end of his 17 year career (all 17 years for one team, the Colorado Rockies, btw).
For me it's even better knowing that it's a smart play by a wily veteran to grab an out. And he's so nonchalant! He tags him and then just immediately trots off the field (it must have been the third out).
It's brilliant!
Agastopia ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 19:49:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also said that he always wanted to do one before he retired!
Mulsanne ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:54:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's awesome! I hadn't known that. That makes it even better.
Hidden ball tricks are one of those "go to the park every day and you'll see something you've never seen before" type things.
gologologolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they have a name it's been done before
theseekerofbacon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:54:14 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it exists, it doesn't mean you've seen it.
Roland_Stone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:32 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Besides, nearly everything that can possibly happen in baseball has already happened before.
theseekerofbacon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:08:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14
youtubefactsbot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:08:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bot info
OCSRetailSlave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen the batsman slice the ball so hard in the air he manages to get all the way around but the ball gets missed in the flood lights, backspins into the home plate guard's hands and gets tagged out.
Roland_Stone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:11 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I said nearly. There's always going to be exceptions. But even then, they'll happen once, and lose their flourish, they're flare. Over time, this sport is going to run out of all these crazy possibilities. And it's probably going to get duller and duller as it does.
SalamanderUponYou ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:53:13 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I learned from reddit is that no matter how boring something seems, there's always someone out there that is extremely passionate about it.
syncsynchalt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:05:02 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's baseball in a nutshell.
coolmandan03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:32:09 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We call him the ToddFather
Mdaha ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:27:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a question. In this situation when the runner gets thrown out trying to steal and that ends the inning, the next inning, is the batter the same or did he lose his at bat?
MichaelDelta ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:34:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same batter comes to the plate with a 0-0 count.
moeburn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:14:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait seriously? They reset the count?
beardochris ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:28:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes, because it's a new inning and i don't believe the previous at bat counts as an "at bat"
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:34:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fact it doesn't even count as a plate appearance.
DVNO ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:24:00 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are usually a few guys each year who have "ghost" appearances in games. That is, they're pinch hitting in the last inning and a runner ends the game. They were up to bat, but never get credited due to it not being an official plate appearance.
beardochris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:02 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool thanks, I wasn't sure about that.
Pyre2001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:53 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it didn't reset it would create a lot of problems. Example you could have 3 balls and want to head into the next inning with a high chance for a lead off. So the player on first just purposely gets out. On the flip side starting a inning down 2 strikes would be kind of demoralizing.
Agastopia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same batter!
SpyMonkey3D ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 19:40:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I didn't even see it was a fake throw.
mizatt ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:09:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You don't see him making a throwing motion with no ball coming out of his hand?
edit: He edited his comment. I was responding to him saying that he didn't see a fake throwing motion at all
Squitz19 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:06:55 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well the title made me focus on their feet
moeburn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's the whole point of the hidden ball trick, is that you don't notice he didn't throw it.
GruesomeCola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even think the the other guy saw it either.
Mrfatmanjunior ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:19:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Correct me if I'm wrong, because he wasn't touching the base the guy with the ball can tap him out?
Edit: actually watched the gif again and only saw now that he fake threw the ball. Intersting
Agastopia ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100% correct
Akoustyk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:30:09 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball is kind of an odd game, in the sense that there is a real feel of a sort of sectioned of play, like how American football is stop and go, except the play is always actually going, if you know what I mean.
gologologolo ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:46:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't
moeburn ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:15:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's saying that unlike most other high-speed, constant action sports, there's no play clock in baseball, so the game is almost always "in play". Timeouts are relatively rare and short lived in baseball, compared to any other sport. Even though people can look like they're just standing around, waiting for the next play, the game is still technically in play, and you can still technically do tricks like this.
RandomPrecision1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:20:57 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that baseball timeouts are relatively common, they're just all very short. The only ones long enough to break to commercials on TV broadcasts, for example, are usually pitching changes or the end of each half-inning.
Three examples of really short timeouts off the top of my head:
Solaratov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:09 on May 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how did that helmet come back and hit him? It was flying away from him...
RandomPrecision1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:47 on May 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It still had momentum from him running forward, even though he pushed it back a bit.
If you could find a camera angle where the camera wasn't following him, you'd seem them both moving toward 2nd, even though the helmet moves a bit slower after he kicks it.
Akoustyk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:14:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In football, play stops. In most sports, there are whistles, and no progress in the game can continue until another whistle, or event, like goal kick.
Baseball often has the illusion that it's that way, that play is stopping, but it's not. The only real stoppage in play is between innings.
and_eazy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. A runner can, and will, take off for the next base at any time.
ItsCumToThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it more like soccer. Unless the referee is out there waving his arms doing something, the game is going and all rules apply.
masterhumus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you just wait on the base for them to throw the ball back and the run to the next base then?
Agastopia ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:29:47 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but then they'll throw the ball to the base he's running to and be out by a mile
spatulon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:03 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the explanation.
The equivalent in cricket probably couldn't happen. For one thing, the fielding team's captain would almost certainly refuse to accept it as 'out', because a trick like that would be considered poor sportsmanship. For another, once the player has safely run back to his 'crease', the ball would be considered dead, and the player would be free to casually walk around without worrying about getting out.
YouHvinAFkinGiggleM8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's explanations like these that make sports like baseball seem much more trivial. Like a child's game that evolved into something that people get paid millions of dollars to play.
Agastopia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:41 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same with every pro sport, soccer specifically
pfafulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:03 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of what it is. It's also quite deep and interesting, tho not for everybody.
Kocrachon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:01 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought fake plays like this were against the rules?
Agastopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:41 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Kocrachon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:35 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont remember, dont watch much baseball, I just always asumed stuff like this wasnt allowed, I think stuff like that was prohibited from my league when I was in middle school maybe?
Agastopia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:49 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of leagues of young players won't allow the hidden ball trick so you definitely experienced that
Wyatt2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:02 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a rule about not being allowed to deceive runners like this. Not sure why he got away with it.
Agastopia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero rule against this
Wyatt2000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:37 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it only applies if the basemen still had the ball after the pitcher gets back on the mound without the ball and gets set to pitch.
Agastopia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:11 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo
PalermoJohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:36 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so i guess you can only tag someone when holding the ball? can you also throw the ball at them?
kingdom529 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:24 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't really think they tried tricks like this in the major leagues. Was this spring training?
Agastopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:47 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, regular season. And nah, this happens once in a while. When you play 160 games you try just about everything.
wardrich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:10 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even sure that he noticed the guy faking the throw. His head appears to be aimed at the ground the whole time. To me, it looked like he scuffed up his hands and got distracted by that.
abeniman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:51 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait does that mean the pother can throw it straight to a fielder and not have to throw it to the batter?
k-uke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand.
But it seems like bad sportsmanship. What he did. Right?
Woodshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:35 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is this considered bad sportsmanship in baseball? I know it is in the rules but it seems like one of those things that you just don't do. Baseball seems to have a fair amount of unwritten rules. Like when someone hits a batter and the other team will hit your batter especially if it is a rival.
Tankh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
are all these "The base" the same base, or are you talking about 2 or 3 different ones?
Agastopia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:02:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this scenario I'm talking about one base (1st base) but this rule applies to the other 3 bases as well
TheArmchairSkeptic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:31 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a baseball guy so maybe this is a stupid question, but does that rule actually apply to home as well? You can't really get thrown out at home because you lead off trying to steal first, can you? Or is there some obscure and unlikely situation that makes that possible?
beardochris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:08:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The scenario in the gif could not happen at home plate. Home is where the batter tries to hit the ball into play, you can't lead off home plate because you need to hit the pitch.
TheArmchairSkeptic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm familiar with the bare basics of baseball, but the comment I responded to said it applied to the other 3 bases besides first, which would include home. That's why I was wondering if maybe it was possible somehow to attempt a steal from home.
beardochris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:30:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The closest thing I can think of is a dropped 3rd strike with no runner occupying 1st base, the batter can make a run for first and be safe if he makes it before the ball does. But other than that, nope.
TheArmchairSkeptic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:41 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, that's what I figured. The guy who said that probably just misspoke. Thanks.
MapleSyrupJizz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the event of a strikeout the catcher has to make a clean catch of the ball in order to get the out.
So for example:
The batter has 2 strikes, he swings at a pitch and misses, but the ball goes past the catcher, the runner is still alive and can try to be safe by reaching first base before the catcher either tags him or throws the ball to first base.
In many cases the catcher will drop the ball but immediately recover it and touch the batter before the batter realizes what happened, in other cases the catcher has to chase after the ball then throw it to first.
Its very rare that a ball gets so far away from a catcher that a runner is able to reach first base safely, but it's still an important play because in this instance the other runners who are already on base are able to advance.
TheArmchairSkeptic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but that's still not really comparable to the play made in the gif, right? I guess what I'm wondering is if there actually is a way to attempt to steal first from home and be tagged out by the catcher for doing so, in the same way that the runner in the gif was tagged out by the first baseman. Because that seemed to be the implication of the comment I originally responded to, but that, based on my limited knowledge of the game, doesn't seem like it should be possible.
MapleSyrupJizz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not possible. The batter doesn't touch home plate while they are attempting to bat, so they don't have to worry about stepping off.
racquell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a cheap/frowned upon move to do though? Tricky, deceptive plays similar to this in cricket would be called 'not in the spirit of the game'. And players to violate that rule are given hell in the press
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:40:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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racquell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok thanks. It was pretty entertaining to watch after all. For the record, here is an example in cricket where a trick play is frowned upon https://youtu.be/qsZTPrU4JjY
Agastopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:23 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah some people would call it cheap but probably just the team it gets pulled on, it's the runners fault so while it is a trick play it's not a cheap play
treefitty350 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:16:57 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, because that's retarded.
LG03 ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 19:31:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people seriously not learn the fundamentals of baseball anymore?
EscapeTrajectory ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:14:25 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody plays baseball in my country.
gologologolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not here either. Besides Japan and the USA I doubt it's played as much elsewhere as a major sport.
ShowtimeCA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuba
Skatchbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:47 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dominican Republic.
LukeBabbitt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:44:17 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like filing your taxes or driving a car. Baseball is America's third most popular sport at the professional level. Plenty of people don't watch it. Also, as someone who played growing up, I wouldn't really call this a "fundemental" of the rules.
Agastopia ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:48:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well idk it's relatively fundamental, on the base you're safe, off you're out. But only for people who have played haha, wouldn't expect foreigners to know that haha
LukeBabbitt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:38 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, that part is obvious. But the mechanics of why exactly the player got right off the bag and why the first baseman "faked" the throw is a pretty obscure part of the game.
franco_unamerican ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:14 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Newsflash buddy, not everyone is USAchian or from a country where baseball is a common sport.
Ignorant_Slut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't play baseball everywhere. Thought I might explain the downvotes.
desmondhasabarrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone is from a baseball-playing region.
Cygnus4500 ยท -100 points ยท Posted at 18:31:32 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:35:42 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a quoted statement.
Jdjrbxicie ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:44:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. That is true for quoted phrases, but when putting one word in quotes as an alternative to italics as was done here, the way it was done is correct. If you are going to be a grammar nazi, be good at it.
NevaMO ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Always one of you around to correct everything lol
WeRip ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:40:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the correction is correct. You only include punctuation in quotes if you are quoting something that needs punctuation. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
NevaMO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been told that the end quote goes after the period like the guy corrected
WeRip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but that's for quotes.. like
Marty said "Don't do that on Tuesdays." The quotation needs punctuation and ends the sentence. I think when it gets ambiguous is when you put quotes around the word to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence would you still include the period inside the quotation marks? What if he used the word "out" in the middle of the sentence?
NevaMO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah idk, I'm good at grammar but some things like this is what confuses me lol
ashkpa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:58:59 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on what style of English you're using. In AP Style (from the Associated Press, which is what most journalists use), punctuation always goes inside the quotation marks.
zoozema0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:43 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, and a lot of other languages (Even Brits) put the punctuation outside of the quotation. It's not necessarily wrong, but some people have extreme preferences for what is "right"
WeRip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if it's a quote, though?
ERIFNOMI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:29 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about a quote?
Cygnus4500 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:07:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Reddit owns grammar. I was thinking the same as you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WeRip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:36:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but that's for quotes.. like
Marty said "Don't do that on Tuesdays." The quotation needs punctuation and ends the sentence. I think when it gets ambiguous is when you put quotes around the word to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence would you still include the period inside the quotation marks?
catmanus ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 18:10:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Video
VnzuelanDude ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:25:09 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its good to see here that the base coach did catch the trick, but it was all happened too quickly. Runners can't be careless as the ball is always in play to the end of the inning.
cubbsfann1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:10:58 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's not in play if there's a foul ball, a player is hit, or someone calls time out.
BloodyJourno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:33 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's not put back into play until the pitcher has possession and takes the rubber.
BloodyJourno ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:39:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"BAAAAG!!!"
His teammates knew.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I now see that his main concern the whole time was getting his hands clean. I like keeping my hands clean so I know how big a distraction that can be~
desmondhasabarrow ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 20:29:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More hidden ball tricks.
Some more trick plays:
Ichiro
Jeter
Angels' middle infielders
beezofaneditor ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:06:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That last one is beautiful.
charlizamon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:29:53 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even an angels fan and I'm really annoyed Simmons got injured. His defence is so much fun to watch.
jrizos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:13 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That Texas one.
Chemis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:14:43 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't get what happens in the Ichiro and Angel Videos. The last one I guess has a hidden Ball Trick again? Gotta say I'm not familiar with most of the rules in Baseball
Edit: is Ichiro acting as if the other Player has Hit a homerun, and that's how he fools him?
desmondhasabarrow ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:17:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In the Ichiro video, the outfielder made the baserunner think he was going to catch the ball so he wouldn't run very far, the reason being that you must return to your base if a ball is caught (known as tagging up) or else the defensive team can touch the base you were on when the ball was hit and get you out. Without this rule baserunners could run rampant on high fly balls and pop ups.
In the Angels video, the two infielders made the baserunner think the the ball was hit to the second baseman, and that were turning a double play (meaning he would be out), when in fact the ball was in the air. The outfielder caught the ball and got the baserunner out because he did not tag up.
DodgersOneLove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me the giants weren't able to tie that game up because of that play.
desmondhasabarrow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:48:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the Marlins intentionally walked Posey, struck out Pagan to get the second out, walked in the tying run, then lost on a base hit by Matt Duffy
Cheeksie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:19 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't really like baseball that much, but these are awesome thanks for sharing!
SirAdrian0000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On that jeter video, when the runner has passed second but has to return to first for the tag up, he heads back to first ( much too late) but touches second on his way back around. It would have only saved him a step but could he have avoided touching second on his way back?
desmondhasabarrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:41 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. You must touch each base on your way back. A player forgetting that resulted in one of the greatest blunders ever.
Cheeksie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:55 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the Jeter one, why didn't the first baseman tag him?
desmondhasabarrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:49 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
On a ball that doesn't touch the ground, baserunners must remain on the base until after the ball is caught. The baserunner was not in contact with first base when the ball was caught by the third baseman so all the first baseman had to do was touch the base.
Cheeksie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ty!
Orion_2kTC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:11 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good stuff
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:59 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of those tricks all seem to rely on the runners not staying on base. C'mon folks, you're professionals. Unless you see the ball somewhere else, keep your foot on the bag.
HughManatee ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 18:14:10 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First base coach sleeping on the job.
jonas691 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:18:32 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he fooled him too, I know it fooled me
HughManatee ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:21:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least it isn't your job to be paying attention to things like that. :)
tobesmagobes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:00:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you my dog?
abagofdicks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's little league shit. You're responsible for yourself on that. Don't leave the base. First base coach isn't your babysitter for things so simple.
HughManatee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying the runner didn't fuck up too, but the first base coach should be paying attention.
Jackal_6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The coach is so disappointed in himself and the player, it's like he's a dad coaching his son's little league team.
That shoulder slump was how I knew I fucked up.
lespaulstrat2 ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 17:40:44 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The runners expression is perfect. It could be a meme for "You gotta be kidding me".
KingofCraigland ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:06:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We make our own luck.
yoreatowel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We get the luck we deserve.
derekfox123 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:21:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TODD
DasMedic21 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:29:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Muthafuckin Helton
UncleFlip ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
VFL
RobertNeyland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:36 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn straight, North Knoxville's finest!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:23:23 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FATHER
TheNotoriousLmc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:47 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He deserved better, he's da man
ObeySaturnGod ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Boston, Colorado should've won in 2007
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:19 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask Jeff Fucking Francis who should've won.
no_anesthesia_please ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 18:28:00 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First Base coach fucked up. It's his job to keep track of the ball. The base runner looks right at him at the end of the gif
chacamaschaca ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:56:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't he look at him before he steps off the bag? Guy was just looking down before that.
iBleeedorange ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:09:16 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The coach should just tell him "he still has the ball" or "stay on base"
CHARA_SMASH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:06 on June 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably why you always hear ballplayers talk about "focus" setting good apart from great in baseball.
imnotquaid ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 19:31:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ill disagree - a baserunner is taught at a very early age to always keep their foot on the bag until the umpire calls time. he just fucked up. todd helton was also a savvy first baseman. a first base coach is there to help watch the pitchers move on pickoffs, remind how many outs there are, reminds runner what he might be doing or not doing on a batted ball, holds batting gloves and shin guards. sure a first base coach could help spot a hidden ball but its not his primary 'job'. and i heard some yelling 'back' so maybe he did spot it - runner just in the clouds and couldnt get back in time.
scrumkins ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are two types of people in the world; savvy and non savvy.
MuttinChops ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:08:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about somewhat savvy?
joat217 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
did he stutter?
0piat3 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:57:30 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, if you're the first base coach and you see a fake throw like that, while your baserunner is obviously not watching, you need to step in and go "Hey! stay on the bag! He didn't throw it!" Or something.
They are both at fault.
A good team and a good 1b coach would work together on shit like this.
CHARA_SMASH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:15 on June 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I've seen fans in the 1B box seats help prevent a hidden-ball out better than that 1B coach did. But yea, it's still on Matty to have good baserunning sense.
I miss Todd Helton :/ I was almost kinda sad that my Sox stopped him from getting his ring.
crunch816 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:56 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is 100% true. I was taught this during T-ball.
rhymes_with_chicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:18 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tl;dr Not my job
[deleted] ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 19:55:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coach fucked up. No communication.
Stop trying to be pedantic
Gemini_19 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:59:25 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's both of their faults. It was just a stupid mistake.
orksnork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Takes a whole team to lose.
pri35t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a quote? If not, that's deep and should be one.
orksnork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:23 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Takes a whole team to lose"
Now it is ;>
rake16 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:24:18 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously didn't play baseball. It is the players responsibility to signal to the umpire, usually a hand up towards the umpire until the umpire grants time, and then you may step off the bag and clean yourself off.
This is not on the coach.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:11 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I love arguing with morons.
Played 22 years smart guy.
The 1st baseman faked the throw. Coach missed it. Player is never going to see that. Need some communication.
You've obviously never left your couch there GM.
imnotquaid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
coach isnt the guy with his foot off the bag when it shouldnt have been.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:54:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JamaicanFalafel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:28:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't even "very smart." This is just an argument.
imnotquaid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
subbed - thanks
Luzianah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. You call time out every time you have to get up. It's really easy.
no_anesthesia_please ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with this.
Ughable ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:11:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the video you can hear people all over, probably including the coach, shouting as soon as he does the fake throw, the guy just wasn't paying attention.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:35:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BS. Keep your foot on the bag. You're being paid as a professional baseball player in the major leagues.
Bear_Puppy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:29 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the video. He saw it but couldn't react in time. It was too fast
zodar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In his defense, he immediately went over to the runner and said, "you should've kept your foot on the base."
Samcrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:04 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
homie's in the majors. that shit's on him
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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no_anesthesia_please ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't hear the video the first time, thanks. Yes, the baserunner is ultimately responsible for game awareness. The coach's job is to keep him aware of pertinent information like the fact that the first baseman still had the ball. Someone mentioned in another comment that the baserunner should always call time out to dust off & readjust themselves. This would have kept him safe.
JakJakAttacks ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That look of defeat.
Karma_Puhlease ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:52:13 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mike Lowell used to be the best at these
Alex_Keaton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The long con.
Bobb_o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:50 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real hero is Todd Jones just walking around the mound.
drunk-on-wine ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baseball is weird
RsonW ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 18:34:37 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really, really is. Partly why it's my favorite sport.
sacpike ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:51:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is little nuances like these that make the game so much fun to play and watch.
mattheiney ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:27:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have fun watching it and I always feel like I'm missing out... I think I just need to learn more of the little things about the sport.
KalTM ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:35:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the sport is hard to pick up on the the untrained eyes. Hitting a baseball at the speeds of an MLB pitcher is insanely hard. The differences in speed, location, and movement of a pitch changes the approach of every swing. Most of the entertainment comes from the cat n mouse game between the pitcher and batter.
beardochris ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:51:13 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the most fun for me, guessing the pitch based on the count.
JamieLuckieHatesKids ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? 2-0 count? Breaking ball low and away or a good 2 seamer up and in. Trying to understand whats going on in individual players' heads is a huge part of watching that people miss out on
beardochris ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2-0 count, but are there runners on? how many outs? Who's the batter and is it safer to pitch around him? so many factors all the time. It's such a great sport, not to mention all the history.
Butt_Drips ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:06:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's a game of subtlety and nuance, on top of a ton of technical skill and consistency required to play at the professional level. Like any game, some can become boring, but the sport is fascinating the more you learn about it.
Niflhe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:59 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife got me to really love baseball and I'm so grateful for it.
dkey1983 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:33 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I played baseball for 10 years. I have no fun watching it. I don't mind having a game on every now and then, but I'm not just sitting there watching it. I'm doing chores or redditing or something.
bezjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:25 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I played it growing up, know all the rules and have plenty of friends who follow it closely. I still find it absurdly boring to watch.
Arcanorum ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:36:17 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sober? It's slow and boring as hell sober, unless you are playing. Drunk and with a bunch of friends it can be lots of fun.
frank_leno ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:04:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well that's just like your opinion, man.
Arcanorum ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, I had no idea, I thought I was speaking for everyone. But seriously, how many people do you know who regularly watch baseball without a beer in hand?
frank_leno ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't been indoctrinated in the Lebowski tradition, I see...
Most people I know watch all sports with a beer in their hand. Sports and beer is like chips and salsa, brah.
Arcanorum ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:15:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was my whole point. You need a beer in hand in order to watch baseball, which equates to baseball not being enjoyable while sober for most people.
frank_leno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:18:14 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You also seem to have the reading comprehension skills of a 4th grader.
Arcanorum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:59 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is baseball a sport? Then my statement is accurate. I never said the same didn't apply to other sports.
frank_leno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:45 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By every sensible definition of the term, yes baseball is a sport. Whew, glad we cleared that up.
Arcanorum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad we could clear that up, maybe now that your reading comprehension is up to my level you can stop being a little bitch.
frank_leno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:42 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I have no intention of getting on your level. I have too much self respect to stoop that low ;)
Arcanorum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:34:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering that your preferred form of humor is tired out lebowski quotes, I doubt you have any self respect, intelligence, or sense of humor.
frank_leno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:36 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just a reflection of your poor taste in memes. Dim witted people don't like dank memes. It's a proven scientific fact. I almost feel bad for you.
dyancat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:16 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this a nuance lmao
Packers_Equal_Life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:08 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think its a gimmicky play that is just too hard to rule against, just gotta be disciplined i guess
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with runners getting punished for not staying on freakin' base.
Packers_Equal_Life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:21 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats true
woodspryte ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:50:19 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a cards fan, we still love ya Carp, you fucking idiot.
Alex470 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carp is love, Carp is life.
mainfingertopwise ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:04:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be mentioned that Helton tried to do this many times during his career. He was finally successful in (iirc) his second to last year playing. It was never meant as a legitimate baseball strategy, just a guy goofing off. It was so cool that it finally worked.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:50:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is comforting to hear that it almost never works, because that means that the runners, by and large, actually pay attention.
Then you have everyone in this thread blaming the coach at first.
Fishtails ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:00:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the base coach shaking his head like "You moron."
Agastopia ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:33:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His fault though
icantsurf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:55:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this his fault? There is no reason the runner should walk off the bag into foul territory like that.
Agastopia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not entirely, but it's literally his job to watch out for stuff like that and let the runner know that the first basemen still has the ball.
icantsurf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason 99% of major leaguers stand on the bag until the pitcher takes the mound. It's a stupid move to walk off the bag like that; I'd never say that's the coach's fault.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:47:48 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Bear_Puppy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:25 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch how quickly it goes from fake throw to tag. There was literally zero time to react
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:48:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. Runner is supposed to stay on the bag, period. Literally stand there, not take one's foot off.
Agastopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:44 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I've played varsity baseball for 4 years, it's the first base coaches job to recognize that but it's also the runners job to stay on the bag. 50/50 fault of everyone involved
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:53:17 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got me too. I was looking at the batter and thought he actually threw it.
UpintheWolfTrap ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 18:03:55 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no batter in this gif.
thisOneIsAvailable ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:24:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Runner Formerly Known as Batter
npfiii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:46 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm sure his name has always been Matt Carpenter...
AndrewWaldron ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:08:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or in these pancakes.
Acute_Procrastinosis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:53 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all put some in your mom.
AndrewWaldron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May want to go get your dick checked then.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:19:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Runner. Whatever. I'm Australian.
smithsp86 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:28:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay, Runny Batty is a difficult game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AKA 'American Cricket'.
npfiii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, shouldn't it be "The cunt on the base"?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:27:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:13 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ouwastrahlien.
TrumpHiredIllegals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:52 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The front fell off and the batter exists now just outside the gif.
Pinkiepie1170 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:29:17 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I guess a balk only applies to a pitcher?
beardochris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:41:13 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that is correct.
TRAV1S ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:58:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
And his teammates will never let him live that down.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:10 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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juandh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the black cap guy has the ball and touches the red cap guy while the red cap guy isn't touching the white square, the red cap guy is out, which is bad for the red cap guy and good for the black cap guy.
At the start of the gif the red cap guy is not touching the white square because it makes it easier for him to get to an even better white square, but then black cap guy's friend throws him the ball, so that black cap guy can touch red cap guy.
Red cap guy makes it back to the white square, whereupon black cap guy can't do shit. So black cap guy pretends to throw the ball back to his friend. Red cap guy gets up to dust himself off and forgets to keep touching the white square because he thinks black cap guy's friend has the ball. Black cap guy then touches him and, having completed this bit of trickery, leaves to go do some coke off a hooker's ass.
Baljit147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they call it "baseball". I saw it in the Simpsons a few a times.
xrats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for bringing up a painful childhood memory. I hit a double in Babe Ruth, the throw came into the shortstop, he pretended to throw it back to the pitcher, the pitcher playing along faced the batter, I started to get my lead-off in anticipation of the pitch when the shortstop tagged me. The ump called me out, and it took me a good 10 seconds to figure out what happened. My teammates ragged me at school for years after that.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was he on the mound? I know you're not talking about the MLB but in general a play is no longer live once the pitcher is on the mound and preparing to pitch/etc.
xrats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:56 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is 20+ years ago now, but my memory of it was the pitcher was on the mound and looked like he was setting up to pitch. It was small town, 13 year olds playing ball, so who knows what the rules are or if the 18 year old ump knew them.
mackenzie444 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:38 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The score screen coming up really makes this
thisismycuntaccount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5 for someone who knows nothing about baseball?
beardochris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:07 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The runner needs to maintain contact with the base to be safe. If he's tagged with the ball while not on the base he is out. The fielder pretended to throw the ball back to the pitcher and tagged the runner when he was took his foot off the base, so he was called out.
jebuz23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:23 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some trick plays in sports I don't like, but I love me a good hidden ball trick.
war_king123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:56 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i don't understand
panzerkampfwagen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:33:14 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The baseman pretended to throw the ball. He didn't. The runner stopped touching the base. The baseman then tagged him with the ball. If you're a runner and if you're not on a base and you're tagged with the ball you're out (exception: You've just hit the ball and you're running to First Base and you overrun the base but don't veer towards second but instead veer into the foul ball area then you're fine).
Woolver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:43 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So what does "beeing out" mean? Do the others get a point, does he get a penalty of sorts?
Edit: Thanks for explainig!
panzerkampfwagen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:12 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If 3 batters/runners get out then the sides swap, the batters go field and the fielders go bat.
acemac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:30 on May 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible that people don't know the rules of baseball? That blows my mind
Woolver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:33 on May 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well first I'm German plus I usually don't care too much about sports. But I could explain the offside rule in soccer.
Toe_Tapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:06 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That clever sum bitch.
O_fiddle_stix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:01 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can almost hear the first baseman... "Gotchya."
Buzzy462 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:38 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The look on the other dude standing back was priceless
Zharol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:33 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the first base coach -- who either blew his job, or the baserunner didn't listen to him. Either way avoiding this play is a big part of why he's there.
Buzzy462 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:51 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Silly buggers๐
MurfDawg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:18 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/headsupbaseball
Tribe4ever ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should never take your foot off the bag until ump gives you time.
First base coach was doing what?
panzerkampfwagen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Runners are expected to take their foot off the base when the pitcher has the ball so they can get a lead.
Tribe4ever ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:22:35 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. When you're gonna turn your back to the pitcher to dust off dirt, call time.
fuzeebear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Learned this lesson in little league. Slid to steal second, pitcher threw to the second baseman, I made it, but the baseman kept his glove on me. I started to get up, took my foot off the base, and was called out. At the time I had no idea that's how it worked, I thought once you make it you're safe.
Edit: But shouldn't the guy in the gif have been safe? He was outside the baseline when tagged. His left foot was off the ground and his right foot was outside.
EarthAllAlong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That rule only applies if you run past first and turn
leftright while batting--it's to stop people from sliding into first all the damn time and causing injuries. You're allowed to run past first and be safe even if you're off the bag if you turn right and don't go over the line towards second. Once you do, you're vulnerable, even if you cross back over to the foul side of the line. I think that's how it goes, anywayfuzeebear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:16 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clarification, right (from the runner's perspective) on first. Outside the bassline you're safe. To my eye he was over the line, it doesn't matter if he was running or stepping.
Unless I'm wrong, and it only counts for singles. Is it batter only, or is it safe for leading?
EarthAllAlong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:30 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oops, yeah, I meant right. Way to go, me.
He was on the dugout-side of the line when he was tagged, but he had already crossed toward second base, thus making him vulnerable. Although it looks like this play took place later, after he had already been on base--the "turn right after you run past first" rule is pretty much only for the action right after you hit the ball--it has no application after that, really. So it's only for the batter as he runs in, doesn't count for people leading off like the guy in question here.
He could have called timeout by signaling to the ump as he stood up, or he could have kept a body part on the bag as he stood up. Or 90% of the time he would have been okay anyway because the first baseman usually just throws it back.
Imthejuggernautbitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:33 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Direction doesn't matter as long as the ump rules an attempt at advancing wasn't made.
Imthejuggernautbitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:53 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true:
The batter-runner may turn left or right, provided that if he turns left he does not make an attempt to advance. An attempt is a judgment made by the umpire. The requirement is that the runner must immediately return to first after overrunning or over-sliding it.
Rule: 7.08(c and j)
EarthAllAlong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:39 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL
I don't see how you can "turn" left, and have that not be an "attempt to advance," though. I mean, you could sort of veer left, although I don't know why you would, since the first baseman would be in your way...
Imthejuggernautbitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:49 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We did it all the time as kids. You hit the breaks as soon as you hit the base.
cyvaquero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:35 on May 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were taught to always run through first on a single. Always turn right, sure you can turn left but then your intent is up for interpretation - usually against you.
turtle_flu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:21 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First base coach should've been on that. They both failed at that fake.
icantsurf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:49:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, there's literally no good reason the runner should be walking like that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:47:38 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, it is dumb that the runner made an assumption and didn't stay on base.
beardochris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:43:47 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it dumb? The play was still live.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:42 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was in 2013. I can't recall if the Rockies had been mathematically eliminated at this point, but they were on death's doorstep if not (likely, maybe one or two losses away max), whereas the cardinals were fighting to keep their first place spot in the NL Central.
This was in the first inning with two outs already, so it wasn't particularly jarring, but they went on to win the game 7-6 in like eighty bazillion extra innings.
I remember this in particular detail because I eating lunch with a coworker who thinks baseball is retarded at a bar, and I was in the process of defending the game until this happened, and I was unable to continue in good conscience.
Captain0Fucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:56 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Cubs fan, I am greatly pleased to see that happen to Carpenter
RaGE_Syria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:32 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I don't watch baseball often. What exactly is happening here? He already stepped on it though.
Tyrynn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:57:11 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once you're off the base you're no longer safe.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:45 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The play is still live unless the umpire calls time out or the pitcher has the ball on the pitcher's mound.
Nateorade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the classic pick off trick play in Little Big League. Executed against Ken Griffey Jr. and Randy Johnson of my beloved M's.
Skizophrenic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:22 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Attention to detail.
MisSigsFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, that's really on the 1st base coach for not telling him Helton didn't throw the ball.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:40 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has absolutely no idea how baseball works, can anyone explain to me what had happened?
beardochris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:51 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The runner has to be touching the base (white square) to be safe. If he is off the base and gets tagged with the ball then he is out. The first baseman (guy with the glove) pretended to throw the ball and tagged the runner when his foot came off the base, so the runner is out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I guess these subtle interactions can only happen in baseball then.
leaknoil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:08 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't happen often in baseball either. First base coaches are supposed to watch for exactly that sort of thing. They only have a couple jobs and that's one of them. That's why the runner gave the coach that nasty look.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:45 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the coach should have told him that he isn't safe yet
zamu16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will never understand baseball
tacoburritos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:29 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rookie move
sunflowerfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:50 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this maneuver have a name?
beardochris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:58 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hidden ball trick.
MR_RC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss Helton so much
WilsonHanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:33 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing how much baseball loves its "unwritten rules", Helton was probably banned from baseball for this.
WallyReflector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:29 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best baserunners in baseball.
jarvispeen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:33 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blame the first base coach. That's part of his job.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:50 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the 1st base coach's fault.
projectklutch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:08 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, the hidden ball trick
wayalyf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:06 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL i don't even watch baseball at all, but still super funny
retrospects ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:14 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Toddfather
FCEEVIPER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:56 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's bush league.
wolfman86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:08 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not from the States/Canada....or a baseball fan, what's happened here?
doyouevencyclebro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:08 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that not considered bad sportsmanship?
bumbuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:35 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strategy isn't poor
vvochen3nde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:00 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
outplay of the century
OleRawhide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:33 on May 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no good reason to walk off the bag like that anway. Just stand on the damn bag to clean your hands. Stupid.
Galxctus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:48 on July 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was sitting in the green seats at this game. It was hysterical.
exgearuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:31 on July 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet when you're running to first, you don't need to actually stop and just touch it running past... Is that the unwritten rule cause that seems super dumb.. Never understood that...
LuluHu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:27 on August 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain waht happened to a European?
Digitalmonster7068 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:14 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Are you fucking kidding me!?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:05 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wit ya shit stained pants
TobyTheRobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:27 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the old hidden ball trick.
Vagabond21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1st base coach was doing what?
leaknoil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:28 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he fell asleep or something. They put some really old dudes out there. This is where it bites them in the rear.
Mexisio87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:15 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most exciting thing I've seen in baseball so far.
redmustang04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:07 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fucking Cardinals.
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:32 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soccer fans would tie themselves in knots trying to explain that, while entirely legal, this play somehow violates unwritten rules of the game and brings shame upon the first baseman and his supporters.
Magnusmcauliffe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:02 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not American and I have no idea waht happened, can you explain?
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:58 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically this play happens a million times a year. The ball is tossed back to the baseman to cause the runner to return to the base. Keeps him from leading towards the next base too far. The runner is only safe from being tagged out when touching the base. So even though the play is 'live' there is a lot of routine tossing of the ball, players touching the base etc in a very lackluster fashion because 99.9% of the time it's just going through the motions. In this case the baseman uses the routine nature of this play against the runner by pretending to toss the ball back to the pitcher. The runner casually steps off the bag, something he should fucking know not to do, and is tagged out. It's a dirty play but 100% legit. I feel I've seen enough soccer coverage to know that this would be a much bigger deal in that sport.
davidhusselbee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:26 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding? It's great
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[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:34 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised this sort of thing is even allowed. It's something a twelve year old would do.
TheBoiledHam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:38 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I'm the only one who agrees with you. Fuck sportsmanship apparently. Just trick people instead of training to be better, it's easier and legal and no one cares.
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masterofthefork ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 19:58:07 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why baseball feels more like a game than a sport.
desmondhasabarrow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because no other sports have trick plays.
Kongo204 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:42:26 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that basically the essence of Football plays?
desmondhasabarrow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:12 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:35:20 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Banana_Fetish ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:48:56 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying that about one of the most sportsmanlike retired baseball players in the history of the game, spends his entire career with one team, refuses trades for lower money just to stay there, and has done so much for the community. He didn't stick around to gloat, he didn't make some funky endzone dance or batflip, he just used the rules of the game, something thats been done for decades before Helton did it.
TheBoiledHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:23 on May 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty bullshit move. But if baseball fans love it, let them have it.
JustStrength ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 17:33:56 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh, cool, I tore open that blister fina-" ... "This was not worth the Tide I'll need to unstain my pants."
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:04 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When was the last time you shit your pants?
desmondhasabarrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:28 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what I was expecting. Thank you.
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:38 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I strive to meet expectations.
IWASBAMBOOZLED ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 21:04:54 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
people still watch this shit sport? fking losers
syd_oc ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:46:24 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this a grown man's game?
beardochris ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:50:35 on May 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like other sports baseball takes speed, concentration, strength, quick reflexes, and the balls to face a pitcher throwing at 90+ mph at you. But you can still have a little fun with it.